1 00:00:00,620 --> 00:00:03,020 Okay, we are on the air. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:09,180 Okay, thank you. Okay, calling to order, the meeting of the Long Hill Township Planning Board. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:18,300 For August 11th, 2026, the time is 730 or according to my watch. 4 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:21,820 So, Madam Secretary, would you do the honors? 5 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:22,460 Absolutely. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,300 Number one, call to order and stay in the compliance. 7 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:37,060 At a quick notice of this meeting has been provided by posting a copy of the public meeting dates on the municipal bulletin board on website by sending a copy to the echo sent in the newspaper and by filing a copy with municipal clerk. 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,780 Number two, standard board procedures. 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,540 Any meeting conducted by the board is a quasi judicial proceeding. 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:53,540 Any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider and reaching a decision and decorum appropriate to a judicial meeting, 11 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:55,860 or hearing must be maintained at all times. 12 00:00:56,660 --> 00:00:57,940 Number three, electronic devices. 13 00:00:58,220 --> 00:01:00,200 All in attendance are asked to mute cell phones 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,840 or any electronic devices as to not interrupt the proceedings. 15 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:04,580 Number four, pledge of allegiance. 16 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:09,830 Is this to the flag? 17 00:01:10,150 --> 00:01:11,450 I mean, I just say it's America. 18 00:01:12,210 --> 00:01:14,130 I need to do the Republic for which it stands. 19 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:16,370 One nation, another nation, another nation. 20 00:01:16,470 --> 00:01:19,710 In the digital, the liberty and justice for all. 21 00:01:20,930 --> 00:01:23,410 So number five, is the oath of office 22 00:01:23,410 --> 00:01:27,530 to Committeeman Verlesa, who is absent this evening. 23 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,950 So he does send his room to see if he had to attend the meeting this evening. 24 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:34,890 I will mark this excuse then. 25 00:01:37,470 --> 00:01:39,410 Okay, so we'll come back. 26 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:45,490 Okay. 27 00:01:46,030 --> 00:01:46,110 Okay. 28 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:46,530 All right. 29 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:49,540 Okay. 30 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:50,860 Mr. Lavender. 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,040 President. 32 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:58,390 The other Mr. left. 33 00:01:58,390 --> 00:01:58,690 President. 34 00:02:00,790 --> 00:02:04,150 And committee member Leslie excuse this evening. Mr. Hans. 35 00:02:04,770 --> 00:02:05,590 Mr. Lavraria. 36 00:02:06,390 --> 00:02:09,350 Mr. O'Jence. Mr. O'Palka is excuse this evening. 37 00:02:09,470 --> 00:02:11,510 Vice Chairman Jones is on his way. 38 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:14,450 We will mark him here accordingly when he arrives. 39 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:15,830 And Chairman Richard said. 40 00:02:16,090 --> 00:02:16,810 Here we have a call. 41 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:18,690 Great. Thank you so much. 42 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:30,730 Okay, getting right into our agenda this evening, the first agenda item is Master Plan Consistency Review. 43 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:39,950 This is an ordinance that was developed by the Township Committee, ordinance number 595-26. 44 00:02:40,470 --> 00:02:44,230 I'll just read into the record the title of the ordinance here. 45 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:50,050 bear with me. This is an ordinance of the Township of Long Hill County of Morris State of New Jersey 46 00:02:50,050 --> 00:02:57,210 amending the Township Zoning map and land use ordinance by creating a new assisted living zone 47 00:02:57,210 --> 00:03:05,390 and rezoning block 11301 locked four to permit an assisted living and memory care residents 48 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:12,150 as a permitted primary use consistent with the township's fourth round housing element in fair 49 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:18,310 chair plan. The township settlement agreement with the fair share housing center and the 50 00:03:18,310 --> 00:03:25,070 superior court's judgment of compliance and repose and supplementing and amending various 51 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:30,870 sections of the township landship land use ordinance. That's a mouthful, guys. 52 00:03:32,570 --> 00:03:39,650 Okay, I'm going to turn it over to our board attorney to just provide a little bit of an overview 53 00:03:39,650 --> 00:03:45,350 and the parameters around in the scope of our work this evening. 54 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:54,570 Okay, I know that the board recalls other ordinances that were sent recently to you for a consistency review. 55 00:03:56,330 --> 00:04:08,310 So what the board is looking at here is whether or not this ordinance is not inconsistent with the master plan as adopted by this board in 2023. 56 00:04:08,310 --> 00:04:10,330 That's our newest master plan. 57 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:14,650 So, the Township Committee is an asking us to 58 00:04:14,650 --> 00:04:17,550 open on this ordinance or on its propriety, 59 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:20,290 but whether or not it's not inconsistent 60 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:22,530 with the master plan of the township. 61 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:26,510 This ordinance is based upon an approval 62 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:31,270 that was granted for the property that is at issue in this ordinance. 63 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:34,090 This approval was granted a number of years ago. 64 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:35,890 After the approval was granted, 65 00:04:35,890 --> 00:04:44,150 the units that were created in that approval were then added to the housing element of the 66 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:52,670 master plan. So these units that we're talking about are already in the master plan. 67 00:04:54,490 --> 00:05:03,250 And right now what the township is doing is simply rezoning that parcel to make clear that 68 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:05,990 This is what the permitted use is going to be. 69 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:10,210 And the township entered into a consent order, 70 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:15,130 effectively, for ending the affordable housing matter. 71 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:19,030 And this has been memorialized in that. 72 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:22,930 And it is already, as I said, a part of the master plan. 73 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:26,790 And now it's being codified in the zoning ordinance, effectively. 74 00:05:29,380 --> 00:05:29,400 Great. 75 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,280 Thank you. 76 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,700 I just wanted to mention, so just for recollection, 77 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:43,000 And so, our master plan was adopted in December of 2023, and the housing element was then 78 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,200 subsequently adopted in June of 2025. 79 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:54,060 So, just, again, and again, as you know, a lot to mention, the housing element is part and 80 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:55,480 parcel to the master plan. 81 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:01,910 Any questions with regards to this, and you've discussion? 82 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:21,730 So just as a source of comparison, the car wash site, when we needed to adjust, when we needed to adjust, just down toward you, yeah. 83 00:06:21,730 --> 00:06:31,910 When we needed to adjust the bulk requirements for specific use, the car wash site, that's what we did. 84 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:37,650 We took that lot and we changed the bulk standards just for that lot. 85 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:45,690 What's the reason behind creating a new zone and not doing the same here? 86 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:52,730 I'm just thinking what would happen if, okay, if this developer the last minute said, I'm not going through on this. 87 00:06:53,590 --> 00:06:59,310 And somebody else comes along and still meets our affordable housing commitment a lot. 88 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:02,710 And says, all right, well, I'm not going to do affordable housing. 89 00:07:02,730 --> 00:07:04,130 I'm going to put up apartments. 90 00:07:04,610 --> 00:07:11,790 If we change the books standard for that lot, like we did for the car wash, then so be it. 91 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:18,610 of we kind of commit ourselves to affordable housing and something happens if that doesn't come 92 00:07:18,610 --> 00:07:27,510 to fruition, it's zoned only for assisted living. So why basically are we creating a new zone, 93 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:29,270 rather than just changing both standards? 94 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:59,960 Well, the bulk standards have been lifted effectively from the approval that was granted for the law. So, that is being incorporated into this. And all this is, is a codification, you know, a legal codification in the ordinance of an approval that is in existence right now. It exists. And this was the basis for their settlement with, you know, with fair church or housing center. 95 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,720 for the Affordable Housing Plan. 96 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:05,700 So this is, they're simply putting this in as, 97 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:06,820 they're making it law. 98 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:08,720 They're making it legislation. 99 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,000 They're codifying an approval that's already there 100 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 and that made it into the housing element. 101 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:17,200 So who's the, the Township Committee 102 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,020 of who introduced this ordinance? 103 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:26,210 And it's based upon, it's based upon that variance 104 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:27,990 that was granted, that approval that was granted 105 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:30,890 for this property by the son. 106 00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:35,310 And I don't know, maybe we'll let the back get up a little bit, maybe that wasn't clear. 107 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:39,090 But the zoning board a couple of years ago, granted approval. 108 00:08:39,890 --> 00:08:43,510 And everything that you see here, that's in the ordinance, was granted by the zoning board 109 00:08:43,510 --> 00:08:45,910 to this property for this use. 110 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:54,930 And at that point, since some of the units in this building, we're going to be dedicated 111 00:08:54,930 --> 00:09:02,410 affordable if then made it into our housing element and fair share plan as, you know, satisfying 112 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:07,890 part of the township's affordable housing obligation. That's how it got there. So now what 113 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:14,730 this is is a codification basically, legislation that codifies the approval as granted by the 114 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:22,830 zoning board to ensure that this comes to fruition and that land is zoned for that, so that if 115 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:29,690 someone were to walk away. It's still zoned for exactly what was contemplated to satisfy the 116 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:35,790 affordable housing obligation. But as far as the use change, maybe you could address that 117 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:41,450 part of Pam's question. If they change the use, essentially, you're saying if they decide 118 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:49,610 to come in with apartments or something. That approval is not consistent with this ordinance, 119 00:09:49,610 --> 00:10:13,690 No, no, it's not. I mean, this is part of the settlement agreement. They signed a settlement agreement with Ferture Housing Center. It was blessed by the court, and that's what the township has to comply with. That's what the township promised to comply with in terms of what they're going to provide in this fourth round of affordable housing round. So they're trying to make this happen, you know, because it's part of the housing element already. 120 00:10:13,690 --> 00:10:18,490 Just refresh my memory in the fair share in the housing element. 121 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:24,550 Did it specifically say first assisted living, or was it just a lot in it? 122 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:25,130 I think it did. 123 00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:36,630 It specifically says assisted living, and it has this site because it reflects this approval that Yolanta was talking about. 124 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:54,070 I'm just going to go through again for our benefit, for distinct district or zone as opposed to, as Pam is asking about, just the property itself, why, why there's own. 125 00:10:54,630 --> 00:11:07,890 Well, because why is it being resowned? This is something that happens a lot as a result of affordable housing settlement agreements that, as a condition, you know, have the court approved settlement. 126 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:10,190 sites have to be resumed. 127 00:11:10,650 --> 00:11:18,050 It seemingly is the only time that a lot can be spot-sewned, but if it's being spot-sewned 128 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:22,990 for this public purpose of to provide affordable housing, it's permissive. 129 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:30,130 And so that is, I believe that is why the Township Committee is electing to resound this 130 00:11:30,130 --> 00:11:36,130 is most likely because of their settlement agreement and the court is making them do it. 131 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:39,870 So could we have done the same with the car wash site? 132 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:40,950 We did. 133 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:48,910 It was a redevelopment plan, which if redevelopment plan is essentially takes the same 134 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:52,910 characteristics, the same power as a zoning ordinance. 135 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:59,390 So essentially, but it was a redevelopment, which is a whole other process, which is more 136 00:11:59,390 --> 00:12:00,490 legal spot don't it? 137 00:12:00,670 --> 00:12:01,490 But it is. 138 00:12:01,570 --> 00:12:05,890 But the effect of that redevelopment plan is just the same as 139 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:09,830 rezoning that car wash site, not just even though we changed the 140 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:14,790 bulk standards for the lives of the civic law, that's exactly right. And so 141 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:19,980 just as we're doing here, it's a zone that's specific to this site, 142 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:27,350 specifically to provide affordable housing. It's two separate circumstances. We 143 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:32,690 arrived at the same, you know, the same result in two different ways. With this 144 00:12:32,690 --> 00:12:38,730 It was a trip before the zoning board of adjustment for a use variance and with the car wash site 145 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:41,650 It was a trip before the planning board for a redevelopment 146 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:47,050 So different mechanisms same results because they both 147 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:53,470 Resulted in a rezoning this one in particular because it contains affordable housing 148 00:12:54,830 --> 00:12:57,210 No excellent question. Thank you 149 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:59,370 Any other questions, Pam? 150 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:00,130 Well, you got the. 151 00:13:00,490 --> 00:13:00,530 No. 152 00:13:01,110 --> 00:13:03,270 No, I think that basically was it. 153 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:05,890 And just the, the lot number 10, 154 00:13:05,890 --> 00:13:06,510 58. 155 00:13:07,330 --> 00:13:09,290 Isn't that the Walgreens building? 156 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:13,150 There's two lots, right? 157 00:13:13,510 --> 00:13:14,850 That are referenced in here. 158 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:18,550 And one of them includes the Walgreens slot. 159 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:22,470 So that will be part of the assisted living. 160 00:13:23,290 --> 00:13:25,470 It hasn't been subdivided yet. 161 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:31,870 As part of this approval that went to the zoning board for site plan approval in subdivision 162 00:13:31,870 --> 00:13:35,810 approval, it would be subdivided from the Walgreens site. 163 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:41,150 It doesn't contemplate taking down that building or replacing it in any way. 164 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:48,150 It would be subdividing a portion of that site for the creation of this, an undeveloped, 165 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:52,510 actually I'm not sure it's undeveloped, but it would not impact the Walgreens. 166 00:13:52,510 --> 00:14:08,570 This parcel is undeveloped and there was a subdivision application for a lot line adjustment to take part of that land and add it to the rest of that land to create the assisted living facility that was contemplated in housing element. 167 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:15,130 That's what was to happen and I think that's what this is codifying that exactly that. 168 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:21,230 So when we have a new zoning map, it will show Walgreens as zoned a system. 169 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:21,970 It will. 170 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:25,050 Right. No. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yes. You're 100% correct. 171 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:27,310 It will not show Walgreens zone for assisted living. 172 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:30,290 It will show Walgreens zone for, I believe, the BD. 173 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:30,890 The BD. 174 00:14:31,410 --> 00:14:36,890 But it will show this portion of that lot as whatever this zone is called. 175 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:38,970 I keep thinking it says AI. 176 00:14:39,770 --> 00:14:40,550 It's AL. 177 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:41,150 Yeah. 178 00:14:42,070 --> 00:14:44,010 Oh, the assisted living zone. 179 00:14:44,010 --> 00:14:47,190 Okay, that makes sense that it's going to be taken out of that. 180 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:53,830 And there is split lot zoning occasionally, where a lot is split between two different zones. 181 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:54,490 It happens. 182 00:14:54,830 --> 00:14:59,410 And this one will be until there's a lot line adjustment of life or again. 183 00:14:59,410 --> 00:14:59,810 Okay. 184 00:15:00,050 --> 00:15:08,690 And that will come for the lotlines, because there's no clarity when that lotline exists, or is shown anywhere. 185 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:20,590 I think not in this ordinance, but it is in the site plan, and in the subdivision plan. So, for example, when the zoning map gets redrawn, we're very reasonable price. 186 00:15:23,470 --> 00:15:28,850 It will reflect the solution that was approved. 187 00:15:29,310 --> 00:15:32,450 Because we did not see the application, it went to the zoning board. 188 00:15:32,650 --> 00:15:35,010 It's not clear on the line of what that looks like. 189 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:38,530 The resolution I quit looking, I didn't see it. 190 00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:39,910 It didn't have any reference to that. 191 00:15:40,410 --> 00:15:44,010 It references the site plan and subdivision drawings that were part of that. 192 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:44,690 Yes. 193 00:15:45,370 --> 00:15:45,590 Yes. 194 00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:45,750 Yes. 195 00:15:46,630 --> 00:15:46,770 Yes. 196 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:49,790 The concept, there was actually a site plan. 197 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:51,030 There was a site plan. 198 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:58,010 There wasn't a proof site plan that the board looked at and the result, the approval, 199 00:15:58,570 --> 00:15:59,670 is what's codified in here. 200 00:15:59,690 --> 00:16:00,890 That's what the board approved. 201 00:16:01,390 --> 00:16:04,810 So, I can go on the zoning board, let's just see that. 202 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:05,590 I bet you know. 203 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:06,930 You can call it because it's still on. 204 00:16:07,070 --> 00:16:07,310 I don't know. 205 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:08,070 The plans are not. 206 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:10,050 You can come to my office or I can send you the plans. 207 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:10,350 Yeah. 208 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:14,170 But I did look at the resolution because we did include it in with the 209 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:19,410 professure, the hell is an element, if you look at that resolution, there's about 15 pages. 210 00:16:20,390 --> 00:16:26,170 I had quick scan through one, they just jumped out to me, there's a 43.5 feet height, 211 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:32,390 so new from that, all we've got here is in alignment towards discuss with the zoning boards, 212 00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:35,410 so it's comfortable with that in principle, but I have not seen a lot. 213 00:16:36,750 --> 00:16:37,630 Thank you. 214 00:16:38,350 --> 00:16:40,290 That's just one stupid thing to hear. 215 00:16:41,050 --> 00:16:42,470 Just the zone district. 216 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:43,810 They say zone district twice. 217 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:46,650 They're doing this right this now. 218 00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:49,650 Oh, these are living zone district zone district. 219 00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:55,090 Yeah, under there for the first there for section one at the end. 220 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:59,930 They say, at your session, living zone district, living zone district. 221 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:03,290 And I don't see why that needs to. 222 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:04,850 You can see what I'm looking at. 223 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:06,150 I know what you're saying. 224 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:16,690 Section 1 under now therefore what page the second page it's under the therefore they're in section 1 at the end 225 00:17:16,690 --> 00:17:22,830 He's has period so district. It's just somebody didn't delete it. I think that that's just a type of graphical error 226 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:24,850 I'm just needs to delete it 227 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:31,670 Well, which one do we want to resolve in the one when I do the resolution and send it to them tomorrow? 228 00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:34,490 So I'm sorry, where is that? 229 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:36,070 Section one, 230 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:40,380 under now therefore be it ordained. 231 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,760 Section one? 232 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,400 It says AL assisted living zone districts own district. 233 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:46,180 Oh, OK. 234 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,620 Yeah, I think it's just the same. 235 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Yeah, just type up. 236 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,860 I'll point that out. 237 00:17:54,810 --> 00:17:55,010 OK. 238 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:56,930 Any other questions? 239 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,440 The regards to this and the other typos. 240 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,620 People have noticed that we can help improve this document. 241 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:07,580 I know this is a small typo. 242 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:14,020 at the third where asked from the bottom on the first page it says court of new jury 243 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:26,180 okay on the first page yes of the audience yeah the first there's three 244 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:30,880 warehouses at the bottom it's the third one up from the bottom oh new jury 245 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:38,460 okay jury it's a new state oh new jury new jury lot of vision what do they say leave 246 00:18:38,460 --> 00:18:39,900 the S out for savings. 247 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,540 You're going to put a little bit of a state now. 248 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:45,740 We're going to put ourselves. 249 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,440 We're going to put a state. 250 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,020 Okay, good catch. Anything else? 251 00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:56,880 All right, so what I'd like to propose is you'll 252 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,860 want to could you frame out what we should vote on 253 00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:01,800 and then regards to the phrase theology? 254 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,900 Yes, if anybody would like to make a motion, 255 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:14,820 finding ordinance 595-26 to be not inconsistent with the master plan and I will prepare 256 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:19,220 the resolution to be sent to the township committee's mom. Sorry Scott. 257 00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:20,280 So moved. 258 00:19:21,580 --> 00:19:22,040 A second. 259 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:22,920 Okay. 260 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:25,520 Mr. S. Lavender. 261 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:28,860 Mr. Hans. 262 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:29,360 Yes. 263 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,200 Mr. J. Lavender. 264 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:32,000 Yes. 265 00:19:32,860 --> 00:19:34,000 Mr. Lavrarium. 266 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:34,760 Yes. 267 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,500 Ms. Ogins. 268 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:38,780 Yes, Vice Chairman Zach here. 269 00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:39,620 So Chairman Richardson. 270 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:40,120 Yes. 271 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:40,880 Motion carries. 272 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:41,640 Great. 273 00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:42,980 Thank you. 274 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:46,680 OK, I was hoping that we would delay long enough 275 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:51,480 to bring one of our key key captains for the ordinance 276 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,300 review discussion, but I think we're going to move on. 277 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,380 The day that I didn't know if you would like to help 278 00:20:00,380 --> 00:20:03,520 shepherd the discussion, and then also 279 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:09,700 our professionals can chime in with regards to the ordinances that we wanted to introduce. 280 00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:17,000 It's fine by me. I first I think small night you're going to speak before the Township Committee. 281 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:25,720 Yes, it's just outlined and they put down a small agenda, not small agenda of the list of ordinances that have been. 282 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,420 This is really our accomplishments, right? 283 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:36,220 have been done of yet or with the Township Committee or still with this discussion with York and I think 284 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:41,440 there's a couple more to have at the end of this agenda. I will do revising that and sending 285 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:48,400 it to the entire world as well. Thank you. A lot of good stuff has been done as we know and 286 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:56,500 really I think just just talk the next two items really perhaps just get those out of the way and then 287 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,920 And I think there's some, I think if we wanted to discuss some of the group, there's 288 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,940 just going to use ones out of the way, first of the way, first of the cost. 289 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:17,460 Okay, so do we want to tackle the expiration of variance first, since that's the first one 290 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:18,580 and show it up in my packet? 291 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,160 And let me just back up for two seconds. 292 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:24,540 Some of this has been not to put it back on your hand to back on the spot. 293 00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:29,020 So these are some of the things that I'm just taking a quick and keen interest in because 294 00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:35,980 these are some ones that have come up through from the zoning board or just a natural sort 295 00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:38,940 of what it's going to be quick wins to get some stuff out of the way. 296 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:44,560 So this was going with the, and just to help with the mechanics for their, for their, as 297 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:52,600 So if you want to talk about the variance, the exploration. 298 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,140 Yes, thank you. 299 00:21:54,500 --> 00:22:03,120 So the ordinance currently contains a provision regarding the expiration of variances. 300 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,760 These are variances that are obtained from the zoning board primarily. 301 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:16,220 use variances, bulk variances, because the approvals that are granted by the planning board 302 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:23,540 generally, site plan approvals, subdivision approvals, they have their own statutory time limitations. 303 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:29,740 Variances do not. Variances may be limited by the municipality. 304 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:44,340 And Long Hill saw fit to limit a variance approval to a year, previously. And after a year, the variance 305 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:52,160 would expire unless an applicant who obtained this variance would present themselves with an application 306 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:58,440 for an extension before the zoning board of adjustment. There were no standards or there 307 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:07,080 no standards in the ordinance currently for the zoning board to apply to determine whether 308 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,520 or not to extend the variance. 309 00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:16,520 Now generally, it's implied that the applicant has to show good cause in front of the 310 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,140 zoning board, but the ordinance doesn't say that. 311 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:28,360 And it doesn't have any limitations with regard to how many additional years, 312 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,660 Can the zoning board grant and are there any other limitations? 313 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:35,060 Oh, here's Vice Chairman Jones. 314 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:35,700 Right. 315 00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:39,210 Right, wait, should I go on? 316 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:43,830 We're in the middle of a discussion about expiration of variances. 317 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:45,770 Good evening. 318 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:47,990 Good evening. 319 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:48,650 Good evening. 320 00:23:48,650 --> 00:23:48,670 Good evening. 321 00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:49,170 Good evening. 322 00:23:49,170 --> 00:23:50,050 Good evening. 323 00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:54,990 So what the, so what the, 324 00:23:54,990 --> 00:24:11,210 The ordinance review committee discussed first because what the ordinance had required initially was that the variance will expire unless 325 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:17,810 actual construction or alteration have been commenced. 326 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:24,970 So because it's sometimes difficult to get a permit, it takes a while before construction 327 00:24:24,970 --> 00:24:26,250 can actually commence. 328 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:33,330 The ordinance review committee discussed this and decided that it would be better to extend 329 00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:40,830 that to actually obtaining a permit instead of doing actual construction or commencing the 330 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:41,290 use. 331 00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:42,510 I mean applying for the permit. 332 00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:44,830 So I'm sorry, applying for a permit. 333 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:52,210 So, that's the first thing that was changed is that the applicant no longer has to actually 334 00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:54,910 commence construction because that may take more than a year. 335 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:58,990 And then that's forcing somebody to come back to the board to ask for an extension because 336 00:24:58,990 --> 00:25:01,650 they're waiting to get a permit so that they can start building. 337 00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:07,670 So what this allows is it will expire unless they apply for a permit. 338 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:12,790 So the minute they apply for a permit, there's no expiration because they've taken action on 339 00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:13,370 it. 340 00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:20,330 The second thing that was discussed is an increase for the initial 12 months to 14 months. 341 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:29,970 And the reason for that is because people will generally not stop, not start building, not 342 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:35,430 not start applying for a permit until the 45 day appeal period has run. 343 00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:47,950 So, from the date of adoption and publication of a resolution of approval, anyone has 45 days to challenge the board's approval. 344 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:55,250 And depending on how quickly the board secretary who always does her work expeditiously, 345 00:25:55,630 --> 00:26:02,810 you know, but depending on how quickly that resolution is published after adoption, 346 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:10,490 That could take a week, so that 45 days, then stretches into a little bit longer than 45 347 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:14,070 days, you know, sometimes up to two months, potentially. 348 00:26:15,050 --> 00:26:20,110 So the board, using that benchmark, thought that it was fair to increase the time period 349 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:26,970 from 12 months to 14 months to account for that two month period that the applicant is 350 00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:29,970 waiting for the appeal period to end. 351 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:32,690 So that's the reasoning for that 14 months. 352 00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:35,470 So now, if someone gets a variance, 353 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:38,770 they now have 14 months from the date, 354 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:40,530 the resolution is adopted. 355 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:43,290 I think that's what we have here, right? 356 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:46,570 From adoption of the approving resolution. 357 00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:48,610 So they have their 14 months. 358 00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:51,990 If 14 months passes, and they still haven't 359 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:56,030 gotten their permit to start in with their use, 360 00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:58,950 or they haven't commenced the use within the 14 months, 361 00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:06,990 then they can, and of course, all of this is told 362 00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:11,130 in the event that there is a lawsuit going on, 363 00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:14,570 or there's some appeal to a court, then that time period 364 00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:18,510 is frozen for the time that the appeal is going on. 365 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:21,390 That is true in the ordinance as it is today, 366 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:25,470 and it will continue to be true with this ordinance 367 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:32,210 as well. And then we added the standards, because the Board of Adjustment, you know, it's implied 368 00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:37,670 that they can approve an extension for a good cause shown, but we will actually put that 369 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:38,850 into the ordinance. 370 00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:45,390 So now the ordinance review committee has also discussed this next 371 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:51,570 part where I have a question where I have the question marks, and they have limited the extension 372 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:57,090 of time beyond the 14-month limitation up to two additional years. 373 00:27:57,910 --> 00:28:03,330 So now, if an applicant is asking for an extension, the zoning board is now limited to 374 00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:07,210 allowing that extension for anything above two years. 375 00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:13,910 They have to limit it to two years, because presumably, without any limitation, an applicant 376 00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:19,710 can keep coming back to the zoning board and can keep getting extensions if there's no limitation 377 00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:23,630 in the ordinance and there has never been a limitation in the ordinance. 378 00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:29,270 So the township has a brand new master plan. 379 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:34,590 The township is going to be adopting ordinances to implement the new master plan. 380 00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:40,590 There is a strong zoning policy in the town and the township would like for everybody to 381 00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:46,750 comply with that zoning policy and allowing someone to keep getting extensions for something 382 00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:48,790 that is not allowed in the zoning ordinance, 383 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,390 just goes against the zoning policy. 384 00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:53,830 So the point is, when you come before a zoning board 385 00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:56,290 and you demonstrate that you meet the criteria 386 00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:59,450 at that time, that may not be true 387 00:28:59,450 --> 00:29:01,050 two or three years down the line. 388 00:29:01,390 --> 00:29:03,030 And that's the reason for this limitation. 389 00:29:05,030 --> 00:29:08,630 And another limitation that's added is so long 390 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:11,390 as the zoning applicable to the applicant's property 391 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:13,670 has not changed since the approval 392 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:15,510 for which the extension is sought. 393 00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:24,270 So the applicant has that 14 months from getting their resolution approved until the time that they need to permit, 394 00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:30,550 if they can't manage that, and the zoning has changed since that time. 395 00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:36,710 Because remember, if they're before the zoning board, they are demonstrating the positive and negative criteria. 396 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:42,190 Part of the negative criteria is that there is no substantial detriment to the zoning ordinance or the master plan. 397 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:51,070 Well, if the zoning ordinance changes, how do we know, in the future, whether or not the board would have still approve that use variants? 398 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:59,970 So this limitation is simply that if anything has changed from the time that the applicant has come to the zoning... 399 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,960 Board, they can't get an extension. They should have worked on getting a permit during the time permitted. They're not going to get any extensions. 400 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:15,580 And even if they do get extensions at this point under this ordinance, they can only get two more extensions for two years maximum. 401 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:30,460 Well, for two years maximum or one extension for the two years it's however the zoning board wants to approach it the zoning board I mean the zoning boards hands are entitled to one year extensions 402 00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:36,160 That's generally what what happens is they'll grant one year extension and then have them go back 403 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:44,400 But under this ordinance, it doesn't say that so the zoning board can grant a two year extension if necessary, but it's within their discretion 404 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,240 Okay, there's just one-two-year extension. I thought I heard you say two-two-two-two. 405 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,200 No, no, no, no, no. Two-one-year extensions were one-two-year extensions. 406 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680 Two-one-year extensions were one-two-year extensions. 407 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,060 So that would be a flexibility on their part. 408 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:57,760 Yes. 409 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,300 Up to two years, how do they think about getting up into two-lots of ones? 410 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:00,640 Yes. 411 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,480 Or one-lot of two. 412 00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:02,140 Correct. 413 00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:03,060 Yes. 414 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Just to be clear on that, 415 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:13,690 an extension up to two years after the 14 month. 416 00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:14,150 Correct. 417 00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:15,470 Correct. 418 00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:17,990 that's more precise wording. 419 00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:20,650 Yes, because the 14 month is the freebie. 420 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:25,750 Because if you've got, yeah, the 14 months is the time 421 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:29,070 within which an applicant has to work on getting their permits 422 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:31,510 and getting their work started. 423 00:31:31,570 --> 00:31:32,270 Any months? 424 00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:33,810 Yes, the max. 425 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:37,190 Is that consistent with other times? 426 00:31:38,410 --> 00:31:39,050 Pretty much. 427 00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:41,090 When I'm not lying. 428 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:44,950 No, no, but it's okay to be an outlier as long 429 00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:48,050 You know, it works with your zoning policy. 430 00:31:48,270 --> 00:31:50,950 Is there an exception to the years 431 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:54,730 that come in two and a half years 432 00:31:54,730 --> 00:31:56,750 and you want to file another extension, 433 00:31:58,390 --> 00:31:59,830 that you consider a new applicant? 434 00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:03,790 Well, you mean beyond the first, 435 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:05,630 now you're past 38 months. 436 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:07,610 38 months, you're still in there, 437 00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:09,570 but you realize, you know, 438 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,310 you don't want to make a change or something. 439 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:12,550 You see, you see that. 440 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:13,550 You see that application's going to make it, 441 00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:15,270 they're going to say they're going to build a house 442 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:18,970 have been put a tennis court on it and they're going to put a basketball court on it and 443 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:19,850 enough we get it. 444 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:22,250 But they're not done the old ones. 445 00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:27,750 If they are outside of these parameters and that's why we're having this conversation right 446 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:28,870 now, it's a new application. 447 00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:31,890 They have to come in with a new application. 448 00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:34,730 I just want to understand. 449 00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:37,110 Is there an exception process or not? 450 00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:38,230 Doesn't sound like there is? 451 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:39,250 It becomes a new application. 452 00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:40,250 Yes. 453 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:44,930 It becomes a brand new application that they have to go through the whole process again. 454 00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:47,730 And I mean, that's the risk you take. 455 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:58,910 That's a risk you take, and that's the best interest of getting the development done, otherwise it's going to sell that they'll sell the property and someone that will come along and need to buy it, but build what they are originally going to put on that property or if they're going to come in and do that. 456 00:32:59,570 --> 00:33:14,810 That's exactly right. And it allows the township to control what happens, you know, it allows the township to enforce its own zoning policy because if you're not going to build what you were approved to build for three and four years. 457 00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:19,790 you know we've seen that things things changed for this for yeah and 458 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:24,530 saying this was approved ten years ago I can't build this now and then I'm going to 459 00:33:24,530 --> 00:33:28,130 change it and I'm going to do this to the property and I'm not going to do this to 460 00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:32,890 the property. I just got a call today for a variance from 2020 for a brand new 461 00:33:32,890 --> 00:33:39,230 house and so they said can I get an extension? No, that's what we're trying to do. 462 00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:43,290 I think 463 00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:50,190 stuff not in the state is not easy so I mean we are helping the app we're helping the applicant 464 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:57,790 reduce some of their administrative costs agree reasonably not just as blanket forever 465 00:33:57,790 --> 00:34:02,770 approval and I do like the fact that it's also taking into account that there's going to be 466 00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:12,530 changes within our master plan in the coming years and either the 10 year cycle or an 467 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:15,510 and legacy, we'll call it a hangover. 468 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:18,430 Right, right, an answer to that. 469 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:22,110 Because the zoning board is still 470 00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:24,110 under the municipal land use law, 471 00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:30,290 is still empowered to deal with any question presented to it 472 00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:33,810 if it is presented with a completely unique circumstance. 473 00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:38,530 Something that happened that was absolutely not within someone's 474 00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:41,410 control, like a moratorium on something that 475 00:34:41,410 --> 00:34:48,610 heard after, you know, within the time that the applicant could still get extensions, but 476 00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:55,070 then extended beyond that time, the zoning board is still empowered to override this, they always 477 00:34:55,070 --> 00:35:01,450 are because it's a case by case of that. But it's a case by case basis. It has to be, 478 00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:08,510 I'm going to say that because in the case of the 2020, that was COVID. I can understand where things 479 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:14,570 had 20, 20 was COVID, but 20, 21 was no longer COVID and they could have come in and got 480 00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:15,370 a permit down. 481 00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:16,410 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. 482 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:18,850 Well, I thought, forget, we had to sue a moratorium. 483 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:20,550 I think they can do anything. 484 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:26,250 Well, sadly, two of the, that particular case, they had an attorney. 485 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:34,110 And the attorney did not inform the applicant, you know, at the time frames, yes, not. 486 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,010 That's, that's an issue. 487 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:37,930 That's their issue. 488 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:38,610 That's their issue. 489 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:39,670 That's their issue. 490 00:35:39,830 --> 00:35:40,150 Not ours. 491 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:45,210 I mean, there are moratorium, and if you come to the board and you show good cause, the 492 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:51,510 zoning board is still empowered to grant an extension beyond this if for good cause shown. 493 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:57,930 This ordinance is establishing the parameters to give the board guidance, but the zoning 494 00:35:57,930 --> 00:36:06,210 board still has the power to answer any question about the ordinance and to make these decisions 495 00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:11,170 because it is the zoning boards decision in the first place to grant the variance, and they 496 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:17,210 are the interpreters of the ordinance. They're empowered under their powers to interpret 497 00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:23,770 the ordinance, and they understand the master plan, as well as the planning board does, and 498 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:31,150 how to apply it, and what it means. I mean, the board of adjustment works in conjunction with, 499 00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:36,190 you know, with everything that goes on in the township, and they are also enforcing the zoning 500 00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:40,050 ordinance and they grant exceptions from it, occasionally. 501 00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:47,690 And everybody likes to see parameters because it's very difficult when you don't have parameters. 502 00:36:49,490 --> 00:37:02,030 You do need side rails because it makes it easier to determine which are the cases that you're going to grant an extension for because they're presenting a case that's unlike any case. 503 00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:04,090 And they really do deserve that relief. 504 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:13,210 Not only those applicants that seek an extension, they come in before the years up. 505 00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:19,170 There's definitely financial hardships or other things that occur sometimes. 506 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:22,450 99% of the applicants, they realize that. 507 00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:25,330 So this is really addressing more some of the outliers. 508 00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:26,190 Exactly. 509 00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:29,870 So are there any other questions or comments? 510 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,980 I'm asking any other suggested modifications to this. 511 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:36,160 Just as part of my own. 512 00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:46,160 Learning process, it's as shall provide be told from the date filing and appeal, and then new is in accordance 513 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,080 with law. What is the law? 514 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,080 What's this a wash? 515 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,900 Well, just giving you a little bit of brief. 516 00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:56,140 Briefly, 517 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,500 the ordinance, the old ordinance goes in, 518 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:06,640 and it talks about where you can file an appeal. 519 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,800 So it says to the committee or to a court of competent jurisdiction, 520 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:16,360 and then it says, in any manner of such appeal or proceeding. 521 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,280 So it's just very wordy. 522 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:24,580 So the ordinance review committee's goal also is to make things less worthy and just simply, 523 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:30,700 you know, if we say in accordance with law, there are only a couple of ways that you can appeal 524 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:36,860 from a decision, from a zoning board approval, you can go to court or at least in the 525 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:41,860 township of Long Hill, you can appeal from an approval to the township committee. So there's only 526 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:47,080 those two ways, really. So instead of going through and listing all the ways, we just said, 527 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:53,640 accordance with the law, and anyone who's going to file a lawsuit is going to know what law, 528 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:59,240 or what an appeal is and how to do the appeal, or what they're appealing from, and 529 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:00,540 where they're appealing to. 530 00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:14,720 So we're just the amendments to the two years and the strike count. 531 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680 And then the state of New Jersey and the state. 532 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,480 Is this then good enough to discover the proof? 533 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,100 or decides it is, then we will have a motion in a second 534 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,780 to have me forward it to the Township Committee 535 00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:30,040 for First Reading. 536 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,060 So the red part, we're gonna change to up to one two year 537 00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:40,000 or two up to two additional years. 538 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,820 I'm striking the one. 539 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:52,280 I think Scott had a suggestion. 540 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,520 I mean, are we going to adopt the clarity suggestion 541 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,520 of the light, which that you would see on May Scott, in regards to, you would 542 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,360 thought that there was, it wasn't exactly clear. 543 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,300 Is that right for this sentence? 544 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:10,700 Yeah, 545 00:40:13,810 --> 00:40:15,270 let me just read it all out. 546 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:20,210 Board of the Justice and upon Writhner, a question for good caution, may grant an 547 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:26,970 extension of time beyond the 14th of limitation, not to exceed two more additional 548 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:47,140 I don't know how to see 24 additional months beyond the 14. 549 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,580 Yes, we stay with months. 550 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,780 That's right. 551 00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:53,620 That's fine. 552 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:54,420 24 months. 553 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,000 24 months. 554 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:57,740 That's still getting some flexibility. 555 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,420 If they say 80 months or 14 months or whatever. 556 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:06,160 They have that in it, yes, that's fine, that's fine. 557 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:06,900 Thank you. 558 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:07,060 Thank you. 559 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,560 Very good. 560 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:09,340 Good. 561 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:16,260 And then earlier, it gets into what you were saying about it being driven by the approving of the 562 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:16,660 resolution. 563 00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:18,200 Yes. 564 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,320 Rather than because the PPE, it would be repetitive to prevent it. 565 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:22,560 Yeah. 566 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,570 Initially, it says from the date of entry of the judgment or determination of the board of 567 00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:33,770 I don't know exactly what that means, when is the disharmedation, don't say. 568 00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:34,390 That's the right. 569 00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:35,450 Good. 570 00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:36,490 Okay. 571 00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:38,950 Is there a motion to accept that with the modification? 572 00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:40,190 But there's modifications. 573 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:41,690 I'm out of tune to accept. 574 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:44,110 And I'll second death. 575 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:44,610 The order. 576 00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:46,090 I'll second death. 577 00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:46,490 All right. 578 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:47,570 We can do it all in favor. 579 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:49,070 All in favor? 580 00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:50,010 Aye. 581 00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:50,790 Any pose? 582 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:51,730 Great. 583 00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:52,150 Beautiful. 584 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:52,730 Thank you. 585 00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:55,010 All right. 586 00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:59,210 who would like to introduce our next, this one should be even more straightforward. 587 00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:01,390 It's very straightforward. 588 00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:02,690 Probably best if you want to go somewhere. 589 00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:05,770 Yes, you're in a float. 590 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:06,910 You're in a float. 591 00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:07,910 You're in a zone. 592 00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:08,610 I'm in a zone. 593 00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:10,150 We're so in fact. 594 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:11,050 Is that affordable housing? 595 00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:12,710 What zone are you at? 596 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:14,810 This is the one we talk about on the type inside. 597 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:19,050 That's exactly what it is. 598 00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:22,550 So this is just part of the cleanup ordinance. 599 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:26,850 It's just, we're just cleaning little things here and there. 600 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:32,550 So the first section is LU-171.5. 601 00:42:34,330 --> 00:42:38,610 The Planning Board shall elect a chairman and vice-chairman. 602 00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:42,890 The ordinance right now says, from its members. 603 00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:45,770 That's not entirely correct. 604 00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:49,050 It's from among its class four members. 605 00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:53,090 So that's what we're adding, because a class one, a class two and a 606 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:57,030 class three cannot be the chairman, only class four members. 607 00:42:57,590 --> 00:43:01,490 So that's just being, it's statutory, and it's just being a little 608 00:43:01,490 --> 00:43:05,510 bit more specific, because there hasn't been a question in long-hilled. 609 00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:08,930 But there was a question that came to me in another town, whether a class two 610 00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:13,750 can be a chairman or a vice chairman in the answer is no. 611 00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:21,050 So, for avoidance of confusion, this is just, you know, copying and pasting exactly with the statute requires. 612 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:21,770 That's all. 613 00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:31,090 The second one, notice requirements for hearings and publication of decisions is very similar. 614 00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:40,150 The law recently changed where now these things are not required to be published in the official newspaper of the township. 615 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:51,870 They have to be published, like for example, the publication of decisions have to be published on the website rather than in a newspaper. 616 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:56,590 It really is. 617 00:43:56,590 --> 00:44:04,390 There's still published on an official and a newspapers website, not in a physical case. 618 00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:15,430 So the first one, public notice has to be given by an applicant, but it's no longer by publication in the official newspaper of the township. 619 00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:22,430 It's technically the township doesn't have to designate an official newspaper. 620 00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:29,010 And the municipal land use law actually says it's just a newspaper in general circulation. 621 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:38,050 Now, the township did designate an official newspaper and so did the boards because in order 622 00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:46,810 to publish in a news website, it has to have a certain reach and it has to demonstrate 623 00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:48,330 that it has that reach. 624 00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:54,410 An applicant coming in before a board, especially an applicant without an attorney, is not 625 00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:59,290 I don't understand that they can't publish in, like, I don't know, Facebook, even though 626 00:44:59,290 --> 00:44:59,970 Facebook probably. 627 00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:10,420 But a much bigger issue is some of these publications. But that's a joke. But there are these 628 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:15,180 tiny, teeny, tiny little news publications that are popping up here and again, and they advertise 629 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:21,360 on social media, but they don't really exist anywhere else. And I can see how someone could be 630 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,680 confused and can go to one of these publications. And I can see how they would say, sure, we can 631 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,460 run your ad, but they're not an official, well, you don't have to. 632 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:43,580 Yeah, it just, it doesn't comply with the statutory requirement for how many persons 633 00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:51,800 or computers or whatever it actually touches that how much of exposure that you get from this 634 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,320 publication. 635 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,280 So, but this is also a bit of an 80-20 rule, right? 636 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,500 Because not every newspaper gets to every resident town, 637 00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:07,300 just like not everybody has an internet capabilities 638 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,420 to get to the internet page. 639 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,400 So, doesn't have to achieve 100%. 640 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,880 But it has to achieve a majority of the access 641 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,380 for someone to get access to that information. 642 00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:18,780 Yes. 643 00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:19,620 Yes. 644 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:25,920 And honestly, that you'd be told, the main form of notification when it comes to applications 645 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,280 for either board is the 200 foot less. 646 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,740 The letter. 647 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:30,280 That's exactly exactly exactly. 648 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,340 That's exactly exactly. 649 00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:34,980 Those are the ones who have to receive, and that's certified mail. 650 00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:35,580 Yep, too. 651 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:42,220 Those people that reside, but those residents reside within 200 feet of the area of interest. 652 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:43,200 Right. 653 00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:48,040 So what we're changing here is that we're taking out the official newspaper of this 654 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:54,280 ownership, just for avoidance of doubt, because the township technically isn't even required 655 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,360 to designate one anymore. And it may choose not to. The reason it does now is because 656 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,820 applicants are just not going to know. So I think there's something wrong with that I think 657 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:09,620 actually. It took the times on this. Yeah, we are. And I think it's a good thing that the township 658 00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:15,660 continues to designate a new source, if not a newspaper, a new source, where applicants automatically 659 00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:21,120 know okay this one has the reach I can use this one I can publish in this one and it's fine 660 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,920 but we're no longer calling it the official newspaper of the township not required so we're just 661 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,280 saying in accordance with law I think recently you said there's some changes this is discussed 662 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,880 it's not just this discussion here is that board of discussions been held as well yeah I think 663 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:45,640 I did a memo at the beginning of the year and we did a resolution in March we did a resolution in March 664 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:53,600 You know, as certain as we can be, you know, because these things may change that the reach of, you know, 665 00:47:53,860 --> 00:48:01,260 the designated new source is consistent with what the statute requires basically. 666 00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:07,620 So that's why we're saying in accordance with law rather than talking about any official township newspapers. 667 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,100 And in the second one, the publication of decisions, that one's even more clear that it's in accordance with law 668 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,160 because law now requires it to be published on a website, 669 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:19,880 on the township's website. 670 00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,400 Now, if in the future, in a year, in two and three, 671 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,380 something else happens, and they decide to change it, 672 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,820 we're not gonna have to change this ordinance, 673 00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:29,880 because it's still gonna be an accordance with law. 674 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,640 And I'm a big fan of writing ordinances 675 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,620 that you don't have to change every couple of years 676 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,940 because these things slip through the cracks. 677 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,840 So how long does it take to save this by its invesolutions? 678 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,620 How long does those solutions have to be accessible if it's on the website? 679 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,000 They don't have to be put on the website at all. 680 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,380 They don't. 681 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,940 The notice of decision has to be. 682 00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:58,600 And that's only, and the notice of decision, I don't think they keep it up. 683 00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,500 They're all out to look. 684 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,240 It has to go in an archive. 685 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:02,300 Right. 686 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,540 But after it's published on the website, it then goes in an archive so that people can, you know. 687 00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:08,700 That's a good question, yeah. 688 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,320 I would challenge, because I couldn't find just resolutions. 689 00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,260 Oh, there's no resolutions. 690 00:49:13,540 --> 00:49:14,820 There's a notice of decision. 691 00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:16,140 There's no notice of decision. 692 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:16,580 There's no notice of decision. 693 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:17,860 There's no resolution. 694 00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:19,600 There's no resolution on the website. 695 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:20,300 Right. 696 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,300 There's something. 697 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,240 Because it's a list. 698 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:32,580 They have just made sure that we are doing something on the website. 699 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,360 Because I don't see some stuff. 700 00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:38,130 That's all. 701 00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:39,430 Just a double check. 702 00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:45,840 How do we in the past posted it at the town hall on the Bolton Board? 703 00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:52,680 Notice of hearings and notice of decision or anything like that? 704 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,080 No, not for applications for dates. 705 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,860 Not for them. 706 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,460 Yeah, like January. 707 00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:07,720 The legally proposed dates for after we have our rear meetings and the contracts. 708 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:15,040 So to some point, what does a brief notice of final decision actually look like? 709 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,960 Oh, it's a, you know, the zoning board of adjustment on this and this date approved application number blah blah blah 710 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,700 And, you know, it gives a brief description of the property and then what was granted. 711 00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:33,460 And the date of adoption of the resolution, basically, I'm posting them on the echoes. 712 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,780 I don't know if I posted them on our tellship. 713 00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:37,540 because I couldn't find anything like that. 714 00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:38,920 All right, I can go back and post it. 715 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,080 Because I think if we're going to go down this part, 716 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:44,120 100% that we need to make sure everything is accessible. 717 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,800 Because I just, nothing's just jumps to mind. 718 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,340 You can also, there is, if you Google New Jersey public notice. 719 00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:57,380 It will, you can limit it to, and you can go back in time, 720 00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:58,380 run it indefinitely. 721 00:50:59,060 --> 00:50:59,860 I use it all the time. 722 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:00,840 No, I do it too. 723 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:01,200 Yeah. 724 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,360 And now with this new law, the New Jersey Secretary of State 725 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,420 has a repository for all notices. 726 00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:10,660 So if you're ever looking for a notice, 727 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,660 the state is now archiving, all of these notices. 728 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,480 So every municipality, agency, authority, 729 00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:21,280 that has to do notices, should have gotten, 730 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,080 like, I don't know, 10 or whatever, 731 00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:27,940 from the Secretary of State, where they get to now upload 732 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,000 their notices, and that's being archived. 733 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,440 But I'm still navigating my way through, too, 734 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,140 because literally, like, residential applications 735 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,840 who don't have attorneys, like, I've been helping them with it. 736 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:45,200 But those who have attorneys, they, the attorneys handle it. 737 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,560 So it's, yeah, it's been a learning curve. 738 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,460 I think there's, yeah, because I've said enough that we need to think 739 00:51:54,460 --> 00:52:01,360 about how things are presented and accessible and searchable in easy manner. 740 00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:12,160 The one thing I wanted to bring to your attention and something that I didn't think about earlier, but maybe 741 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:20,440 the discussion right now, especially with Deb, is that publication is arranged by the secretary of approving authority, is that still true? 742 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,540 What do you mean, did I? 743 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,480 Yeah, published no, yeah, published no, it shall be given by publication now in accordance with law. 744 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:29,260 At least 10 days prior to the date of hearing. 745 00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:29,980 Thanks for watching. 746 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:37,660 Education shall be arranged by the Secretary of the approving authority as the case may be upon payment of the fee support, in section 180 of this ordinance. 747 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,180 Yes, that's still true. 748 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:39,600 Okay. 749 00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:43,120 I just wanted to make sure that we don't need to change that in any way. 750 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,920 And I know that the publication of decision is a U.S. do that. 751 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,180 So that that one I'm not even a question. 752 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,920 And now you have to have me terrified, because I might be in behind. 753 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,180 I'm going to have to go back and look at all the websites tomorrow and be like, oh my gosh, wait wait 754 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,220 Because this year has not been as busy as the last couple of years like it's 755 00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:07,480 So now 756 00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:15,800 Any other questions comments on this particular awareness curious what fees are there is that like so the fee is so for instance 757 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:22,260 If I've been posting for residents that don't have attorneys, I post through the echoes and 758 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:28,060 And the echoes, Sentinel, still provides a copy of what goes on the Internet and an affidated, 759 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,800 because we have to have an affidavit for the file. 760 00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:33,060 Affidavit a publication, a publication, a publication. 761 00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:36,080 So they charge, they charge, because it has, so they charge for that. 762 00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:36,840 Echoes does. 763 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,300 The correct. 764 00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,160 So the echoes bills the township, I bill the escrow of the applicant. 765 00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:42,260 Interesting. 766 00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:44,320 And the same goes with the notification of memorialization. 767 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,500 Once there was a solution, it's memorialized, and I noted in the paper, 768 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:51,840 Yeah, I charge the, I charge the according. 769 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,260 That we don't, it's interesting because that's kind of where, 770 00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:00,840 like, it's acceptable by law for our memorialization. 771 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,060 When I memorialized it, when I did it in the newspaper, 772 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,580 our clerk can actually, like, print it out and take a copy from the paper 773 00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:12,920 and then seal it basically. 774 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360 But now that it's in a paper, like I'm trying to say that, 775 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,840 Okay, it's been a learning curve. 776 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,320 Changing technology. 777 00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:23,340 Yeah, it's a click, no, it's a click, no, it's a click. 778 00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:24,880 That's why David has brought it up. 779 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,700 Oh my God, I think I'm behind. 780 00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:27,600 It's so fast. 781 00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:31,340 Every time a loser change, I mean, everything has been 782 00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:35,200 noted because before an applicant comes to any hearing, 783 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,280 you'll want to get the copy of the notice 784 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,120 that you should have professionals do, whoever's 785 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,260 reviewing the application, at 10 days in advance, right? 786 00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:45,660 So we can confirm that the boards can legally hear 787 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:49,700 application. Now what I'm concerned about on the flip side is when we move more or less 788 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:57,460 in some way. I got to figure that out. Yeah, that's important because it's the appeal period. 789 00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:58,720 Yeah, exactly. 790 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,740 Any other sort of comments questions? Can we do a similar motion? Are we ready to push this forward? 791 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,520 Orc? 792 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,400 Yes, that's perfect. 793 00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:13,880 You work push. 794 00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:14,320 You work push. 795 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,940 I hope you work push. 796 00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:15,800 You should do the work push. 797 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:17,740 Excellent. 798 00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:19,180 I thought there was any amendments. 799 00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:22,460 I don't think we're there any significant amendments. 800 00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:23,340 I don't know. 801 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:24,040 I'll just stay as well. 802 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,120 I'll just stay as well. 803 00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:29,620 I think somebody would, somebody like to make a motion. 804 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:38,100 I motion to prove the, the ordinances we just discussed. 805 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,760 in second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye, pose? 806 00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:46,820 Great. 807 00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:48,500 Excellent. Good. 808 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:49,580 All right. 809 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,820 We are on to new and old business. 810 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,760 I just had a couple of things to mention. 811 00:55:57,460 --> 00:56:01,120 First, I just want to again express my thanks to the work. 812 00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:04,380 They've been doing a great amount of work. 813 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,000 As we've all been taking the summer off, 814 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,880 a lot of the other board members. 815 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,840 The work has been busy at work pushing through a lot of important ordinances. 816 00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:22,460 They might seem trivial, but they all fit a big puzzle, you know, and I think that I really 817 00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:27,540 appreciate all the efforts to keep this flowing and it's going to get a little bit more challenging 818 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:33,560 as we come into the fall because our applicants are starting to come out of the woodwork. 819 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:41,680 So, that's going to create a pretty busy season to do both, so, but again, in advance, I do 820 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,240 thank the work for helping to keep these things going. 821 00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:52,780 The second thing I just wanted to mention is, I invited myself to present to the Township 822 00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:58,340 Committee tomorrow, kind of where we are with Master Plan Implementation. 823 00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:04,520 And this is kind of started out of meeting with the work to talk a little bit about some 824 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,280 of our needs. 825 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:11,060 This all started with the need for a zoning map and getting frustrated that that was taking 826 00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:11,620 too long. 827 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,320 So that's one thing I'm going to highlight is regards to a critical need that we need to budget 828 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:24,020 allocate Liz's in her company of graceously now step forward to just pull that map together. 829 00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:29,920 Because I know that's critical and critical tool that really the ordneds and regrets 830 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,820 and now getting into the bulk of the brain and the brain. 831 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:37,600 And the zoning officer as well. 832 00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:44,660 So that's going to be one need, and then I will also talk about just to finish off the critical 833 00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:45,080 needs. 834 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:51,780 This is just making sure that we have adequate budget for our professionals as we continue 835 00:57:51,780 --> 00:58:10,140 to undertake the orc related work. I mean, that's absolutely critical. I like the system that's been set up and I really think the professionals for all their support, really the backbone of the group to help draft these ordinances that are very tricky from wording standpoint. So thank you. 836 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:17,860 The only other things that I just wanted to mention that I'm going to highlight is we are going to update this list. 837 00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:20,440 I don't know, did everybody get a copy of this list? 838 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:21,400 No, yeah, I'm not sure. 839 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,740 Well, we'll update this. 840 00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:28,900 This is just going through what we accomplished in each of the years after the implementation 841 00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:32,820 of the Master Plan with regards to ordinances. 842 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:39,600 I was planning, one step, updates this to end us out to the Township Committee, not getting 843 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,640 into an exhaustive discussion, but just to illustrate that progress is being made in these 844 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:46,480 different areas. 845 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,320 So, I think that's that's great there. We do need to add a few things and make a lot of things. 846 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,740 Yeah, I will update that, send it out to the board first, sing in the morning. 847 00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:01,460 And then the second thing I wanted to add is I wonder for people back, especially the Township Committee, 848 00:59:02,420 --> 00:59:07,220 that we did do an exhaustive review and development of goals and objectives. 849 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,620 So, I just want to, I'm not going to go through all the goals and objectives of the Township Committee, 850 00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:26,680 But, you know, we really haven't had a chance to have a dialogue with everybody on the Township Committee about some of the goals and priorities that really the Township, especially the Township Committee should be considering. 851 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,740 Two areas that we have kind of initiated outside of the ordinance is one with stormwater and floodplain management. 852 00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:42,740 So there is a group that's assembling and Randy's kind of trying to facilitate that. 853 00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:49,140 There could be other opportunities for volunteers of this committee to participate in that. 854 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:58,700 Again, I think it came out of the master plan as a critical area in regards to dealing with stormwater and floodplain management for the town. 855 00:59:59,240 --> 00:59:59,960 And it's a few- 856 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,480 Your development potential. So I'll speak to that briefly and then have a dialogue with the mayor who's been working with me in regards to trying to get that initiative off the mark. 857 01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:27,860 And then the second one is came out of all the sewer-related work, was really embracing trails along a lot of the sewer right away, is we still have these great open corridors that have been created through some of the sewer construction, 858 01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:34,800 that we really want to take advantage of, I think, to create some of the connections we need in this town, 859 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:44,960 east to west, north to south, you know, and right pivoting around the central park complex, but also then around the river too. 860 01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:51,980 There are actually some nice rights away that have been created in some of the river areas as well. 861 01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:58,400 Obviously, in many cases, there are very wet, but in many instances, that's okay. 862 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,820 I mean, it's seasonal, some of the trails are bringer paths. 863 01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:08,460 Bringer wellies, as they say in Scotland, bringer wellies, and we'll walk the trail. 864 01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:15,760 So can you think of anything else, and we're just open it up for other things that you 865 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,800 would like to highlight that you've seen in regards to the master plan? 866 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,700 We'll come. 867 01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:21,660 I can share with attention. 868 01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:27,040 What comes to mind is the annual report from the Zoning Board and their recommendations 869 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,780 on what they wanted us to address and we have, not 100 percent but we have it working 870 01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:34,040 off. 871 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:40,480 We're working on it so that they know we're not, we're not, we're not off in a bubble. 872 01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:43,040 We're not sitting with what they recommend it. 873 01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:44,720 Yeah that's a good point, Pam. 874 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:45,540 Thank you. 875 01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:50,780 Interestingly enough, Pam, to that note, that's a very good point, because when I was 876 01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:57,500 looking through tonight before our meeting, the last annual report that we did, a lot of 877 01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:04,640 it ties into the master plan zone changes that we're going to begin. We're going to start the bulk 878 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,880 of that next year, because first of all, the budget, and it's what we call, as you want to 879 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,680 first to it as a master notice. Because when you implement changes to the specific zones, 880 01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:21,100 we have to send out notices we have to have a hearing on this stuff. So we're trying 881 01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:25,500 to, you know, listen, you want to have been very good about trying to, you know, focus on 882 01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:29,720 doing a lot of that stuff, you know, set back changes and you know other things that the board 883 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:36,280 recommended in the annual report. So we can do it all at once with one like major notice. 884 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,680 So, if that makes sense, right, you want to, yes, yeah, okay. 885 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:48,500 Yeah, for the things that were required to do the notice for some of the things we're not, some of the things we are, you know, 886 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,000 across those bridges where we are. 887 01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:52,460 Good. 888 01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:53,160 There you go. 889 01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:55,460 Anything else anybody can take off? 890 01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:56,840 Well, I just wanted to remind you, 891 01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,740 September is a big month. 892 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:01,100 Two dates. 893 01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:03,600 the first date in September, you have two subdivisions. 894 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,000 And the second date in September, you have Sterling Crossing, 895 01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:11,500 which I've sent to everybody the link we do have plans. 896 01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:15,960 If anybody wants a R coffee, we've received a traffic report. 897 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,780 I wish I could put that on the agenda tonight. 898 01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:20,460 We'll do that next agenda for the resolution. 899 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,920 But anyway, I have the traffic report. 900 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,120 I hear from the police department. 901 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:24,940 We hear from fire. 902 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,220 So within the next week, I'm going to be forwarding those documents 903 01:03:28,220 --> 01:03:29,020 to the board. 904 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:37,840 There's a job we'll be finalizing their reports on that, and yeah, I mean, thank you for reminding me too. 905 01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:42,420 Just as a straw poll, everybody be present on the eighth. 906 01:03:42,740 --> 01:03:45,280 I mean, that is right, that's the day after Labor Day. 907 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,480 I will not be present for that meeting. 908 01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:50,780 So I have to send me an email reminder. 909 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,820 Yeah, I'll remind you of that, unfortunately. 910 01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:55,400 So that is the day after Labor Day. 911 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,220 Can I make it comment about Sterling Crossing? 912 01:03:58,560 --> 01:03:58,900 You know what? 913 01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:01,060 I can't say anything about you. 914 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,720 You know if there's something missing? 915 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:05,820 You would send me a separate email. 916 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:06,240 I don't know. 917 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:06,320 I don't know. 918 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:11,220 I just want to thank Mr. Chair. 919 01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:13,700 When you get the touch of committee's attention, 920 01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:16,360 and we have a bunch of applicants that are going to be coming 921 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,120 before the Board in the Zoning Board. 922 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,580 Can we get the communications aspect of the dress as well? 923 01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:25,420 That's a good point. 924 01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:26,040 Like the phones. 925 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:28,580 The batteries for that thing. 926 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:30,300 The problems. 927 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,580 The cables on the BIO. 928 01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:33,140 Cue the bad microns. 929 01:04:35,420 --> 01:04:35,600 Yeah. 930 01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:36,040 Yep. 931 01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:38,060 It's gonna be here. 932 01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:38,560 It's gonna be here. 933 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:38,820 Yep. 934 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:39,700 Good. 935 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,180 It's difficult to work with. 936 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:42,540 Yeah. 937 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:44,420 All right. 938 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,080 If we have nothing else, 939 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,560 is there a motion to adjourn? 940 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,460 Full move. 941 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:49,220 Second. 942 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:50,280 I'm favored. 943 01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:50,920 Hi.