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All right, it is now two o'clock. We're
going to start the presentation. Uh,

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first off, I'm just going to introduce
myself and then I'll let the team

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introduce themselves. That way, those
people if they do come online, they can

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actually capture who's talking through
that image. I'm Charlie Mops. I'm the

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public works director for the town of
Lombok Key. Um, to my left,

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uh, hello. Uh, my name is Mark Strike.
um uh with first line first line coastal

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were consultants to the town uh
designers engineers for the project. Uh

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we also have one more uh with us who's
joining online. She was actually sick

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today so we asked her to stay home keep
the rest of us safe. Uh her name is Tara

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Hollis. She is with Wilder Associates
who's an accounting firm uh also

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consultants to the town.
>> Right. And uh I would like to recognize

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we have uh for former Vice Mayor Hock in
in the audience. We also have

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Commissioner Brennham and I think uh
Commissioner Bishop is going to be

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attending as well later. So I'm going to
share my screen so those that do join

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will actually be able to you know follow
along with us. Uh

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and ma'am if you don't mind signing in.
So as you can see like this is our town

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website. What we're trying to be is
super transparent with the the potential

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development of this program. And what we
have is we have the first button which

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says navigation program. Uh eventually
if you don't find it there you can find

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it under residence under waterway
navigation maintenance program. It'll

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take you to the same website. So just by
clicking on that

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it brings you to here and this will have
a bunch of information about meeting

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events uh future meeting events, current
meeting events and eventually after the

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meeting has been uh you know held and
recorded. A link to those recordings

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will actually be you know replacing the
dates so that way people can uh go back

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and see something previous. The message
isn't changing, but just in case you

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maybe miss something or want to revisit
uh a certain topic, it will be on here.

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Within here though, there is a couple of
other spots. Why this project matter?

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Well, if you click on this button, it'll
actually take you to this website, which

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is the Lombo Key. It was built by First
Line Consultants, and it has all the

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information that uh we that that we're
going to be sharing tonight. So every

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brief every aspect of briefing material
or whatnot is actually in this website.

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So you don't you know again transparency
and just trying to be uh you know as as

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as you know collecting as much data and
everything else as we possibly can. If

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you're more like hey what's the bottom
line up front? You could click right

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here and it will bring you to a spot
that we're going to go share as as a

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group together in a minute. Um, but it
will bring you to a GIS-based site where

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you can actually click on your property
or put in your property address and it

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will tell you if you're a non-canal
fronting property, you what the

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millillage alone would be. If you're a
canal fronting property, what the mill

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and assessment would be and it will
it'll break it down and I'll show you

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how to do all of that really quick and
easy. So, we're going to go right into

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this website, which again was that first
click. And if you go in here, here's the

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presentation.

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I wonder if I can move that. Yes. All
right. So,

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obviously it was left at the very end
because somebody must have been looking

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at it, which is good. Um because we want
people to visit these sites. As a matter

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of fact, one of our residents actually
came to me. There's like, oh, there's a

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lot of information online. I'm able to
see a lot of that information and and I

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was able to like kind of gleam an idea
before I even got here. So, that that's

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a that's a good thing. So, you know,
protecting our waterways is vitally

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important to the quality of life for our
island community. If you look at that

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picture, Lombo Key is unique. It is the
entire city is within an island. You

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know, so we have, you know, beaches on
the on the front side and we have a

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beautiful bay which is a national
estuary program on the back side. And

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so, we're just one shared community
and it aligns with the commission's, you

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know, mission and values. a commissioner
uh bishop just walked in. Hello, ma'am.

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Uh so, you know, with with our vision
and our mission, you know, we're a

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natural assets of the barrier island
combined with cultural and recreational

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amenities. So, you know, we have like a
lot of parks, we have a lot of uh we

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have our beaches, we maintain all of
those things. The mayor just walked in

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as well, so we have quite a quite a crew
here. Um so as as it you know we're

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trying to maintain yet another aspect of
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um the vigorous maintain and preserve
LMO's key status as a premier

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residential and visi and visitor
destination. So this program because

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it's not a project it's a program that
we looked at these this vision and this

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mission and made sure that it was
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So, you know, here's here's a picture of
a canal that, you know, on the north end

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where it's a little skinny and you could
just see that, you know, our property

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values and quality of life resolve
around clean water navigable channels.

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You know, again, we're on the national
estuary program. You know, we're, you

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know, Sarasota Bay estuary program is
one of only a handful of national

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recognized estuaries in in the country.
And because the water quality from our

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bay is shared in our canals that there
there's a there's a linking there's a

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linking factor there. Our waterways are
a shared amenity that support each of us

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and we'll get into a little bit more of
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the last time these canals were ever
dredged were back in uh 2003. So 23

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years ago was the last time as a
municipality we dredged any of the

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canals in in in the town. Um the issue
was originally developed back in 1996

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when the commission asked and they
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come up with a funding strategy to move
forward with that. And some of the

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funding strategies that they came up
with back in the in the '9s are going to

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be you know very similar to what we're
presenting today. There was over 30

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reviews and public hearings including
commission meetings all public all

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publicly advertised and you know
publicly attended. Um but the delays

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have led to navigability even though
they've been trying to like establish

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this program over that period of time.
Delays in establishing the program since

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2003 have led to areas that are are are
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So as we roll down. So why now? Well,
we've been kicking this can down the

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road pretty pretty good where to the
point it's flat, right? It doesn't roll

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anymore. So we're trying to get a once
in a gener generation opportunity. this

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this group, our consultants and and town
staff working with our commission have

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gotten further than any other group has
gotten to this point, which is we have

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the ability and we we had set up through
the commission and resolution and

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ordinance the ability to use our Mante
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County properties appraisers to actually
help us implement this program through

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the, you know, through their tax bill.
So what's the plan? Well, it's a

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responsible phase waterway navigation
maintenance program. It's it's it's

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dedicated to the waterway navigation
only. Um it's restoring safe navigable

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channels. It's improving and maintaining
storm water uh systems. I don't know why

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this Microsoft team thinks keeps doing
this, but I'm sorry. Um and I'll show

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you a little bit about that in a minute.
And it mimics the TW 8020 uh beach

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program that we currently uh you guys
currently through bond referendum fund

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with the state, you know, because the
state always, you know, contributes a a

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percentage towards those those beach
nourishment projects. And then what it's

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what it's geared to do is reduce overall
long-term cost. So we don't get into the

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point of restoration. We keep in the
process of of maintenance, you know. So,

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we're trying to get back to that
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So, what are some of the benefits?
Again, it restores and and maintains

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that access for recre recreational
voters. There's been past meetings where

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where oh, uh, Vice Mayor Williams has
walked in. Um,

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it it maintains and restores access.
We've had questions before like, well,

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my canal right now doesn't need to be
dredged, but it's not to say it won't.

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That's why it's a program, not a
project. So, you know, all of the canals

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that come out of Lumbbo Key, including
our axis channels, our perimeter

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channels, they were cut through
sandbars. Okay? Well, those sandbars

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shift and eventually it'll choke off or
narrow the navigability of that channel

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or silt it in to reduce the depth that
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it's a long-term program. And then
improves and maintains the storm water

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flow. And again, I'll get a little bit
more into that. And it reinforces the

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appeal for real estate and tourism. you
know, being on a municipal maintained

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waterway will definitely increase the,
you know, or or could potentially

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increase the values, the property values
of those properties. Um, there's a

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potential to reuse this dredge material
to actually create, which is one of the

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first things we have to do is a
seaggrass mitigation area out in that

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aquatic preserve or that uh national
estuary program. And I'm going to show

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you a little bit about that in in a
minute. Uh, and then there's other

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environmental enhancements that that
come along with dredging canals on the

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east coast of Florida where they get a
lot of green allergies and stuff like

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that. They actually dredge canals to
reduce the bol load that's on the bottom

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of those canals. The bol load on the
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contributes to those nasty things that
are are like red tide. You know, those

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are things that would feed those
organisms. As a matter of fact, I was

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just on the phone yesterday with Ryan
Gandandy, who's the director of the

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Sarasota Bay program, and he was asking
me because he's getting calls about this

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potential program, and he agreed that
yes, by reducing bile load, you're going

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to reduce the potential food source for
some of those bad things. And then uh

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the potential for future femur
reimbursement. In the 15 years I ran

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this program for Charlotte County, I was
literally dredging two major areas, uh,

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Pirate Harbor and another one, big
dredge projects that were going on.

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Hurricane Charlie came through. So, we
had to enact our hurricane plan, get the

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contractors away and into safety. But
before they left, we went out there and

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surveyed what they already did. And
after Hurricane Charlie came through,

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those canals got silted in. Well, FEMA
funded the restoration of those canals

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because they were part of a maintenance
program. and we were able to show that

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level of service.

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So, how are we going to pay for this?
Well, this is why, you know, one of the

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reasons we hired First Line. Now, one
thing you got to know about First Line,

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First Line was helping me down in
Charlotte County when I was when I was

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doing that. Uh, they were working with
Koulse Engineering Consultants who had

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been doing that, you know, maintaining
that management of that program for be

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even before I got there. Uh but it's a
you know we hired them and they came up

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with this this model. It's a fair simple
transparent funding model uh that's

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similar to the beach nourishment. That's
why it's at 80 80% and the 20%. So 80%

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would be borne by those direct uh canal
access properties and 20 20% would be

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covered by the nondirect access
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We are estimating a cost of about $9
million for the first five years. We

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need that much money because we need to
create as part of our permits that

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seaggrass mitigation area. And those
things aren't cheap. You know, they come

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at about a price tag of about $3
million. And I we'll show you why. Um

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then after that, when we start getting
in that programmatic maintenance, so

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hey, your canal doesn't need to be
dredged now, but it might in the future.

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this is where that those funds will come
in in order to affect change in the

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future.
So the methodology you know the

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millillage plus direct assessment was um
what we've presented to the commission

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in the direction by which they gave us
to you know review and and and and see

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if it if if it made enough sense to move
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the millage plus if you look at the box
on the top right you see direct access

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they'll pay 10% advalorum and then 70%
nonavalorum the nondirect will pay 20%

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advalorum and they don't pay a direct
assessment and so that's where you come

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up with that 8020 split and commissioner
coffin just walked into the room too so

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now we have a full house of
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So why is it work? It's fair, familiar,
consistent with past practices. It saves

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money in the long term by avoiding
emergency actions. And these these are

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words that were developed by not only
our our consultant for our engineering

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consultant, our consultant for
financing, but also by a um a group that

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we hired to uh come up with a you know a
messaging kind of uh uh consultant. It

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saves money long term by avoiding
emergency dredging. So, you know,

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emergency situations where you're
getting into restoration, big impact

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long-term long term long-term on target
by the the consultant and the

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contractors to actually dredge those
waterways. When you can get past that

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and get into maintenance, now you're
just hitting hot spots. You know what I

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mean? And and so you're going to have
less equipment out there behind the

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houses dredging and making the noise and
being disruptive.

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It enhances overall community value and
island resiliency. Again, earlier we we

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mentioned I'm going to get into some of
the uh the drainage aspects of this and

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it maintains and and minimizes long-term
construction impacts which I I just

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mentioned. So before we get into
questions and comments and I do

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appreciate you guys all holding your
comments and questions to the end, I

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just want to go through a little bit
more of our our website. So in here we

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have all the conditions of the waterways
and if you click on this it actually

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opens up a box and that box is the canal
sheets. So these guys went and they

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actually did a conditional survey down
every canal. They actually filmed every

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canal looking for obstructions and
whatnot. the canal sheets are based, you

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know, so if you're if you're in canal
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canal, uh, mid island, upper, northern
mid, um, they looked at every boat that

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actually services that canal or utilizes
that canal, and they kind of, uh,

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classify them. And in it, you'll see
that, you know, the the permitted depth

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is there, the width is this, and these
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Again, like I said, the last time, you
know, we dredged quite a few canals back

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in 2003, but permits were pulled from
that. So, we don't have to recreate that

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wheel. We can utilize that information.
So, we're keeping it into the

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maintenance realm for our our permitting
agencies. But you can see that the

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average vessel beam is about 10 ft and
the actual draft is about four plus on

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this canal. So, maintaining it to five
is something we'd have to do. This

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happens to be one of those canals that's
already meeting that intent, you know,

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as best as we can. However, this is one
of those canals that if in the future

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this part shs in, we can get out there
and and take care of it. These canals,

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this is Hideway Bay, I think it actually
there's some access channels that are

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skinnier. So, what's nice about it, if
you go up to the first maps, you can and

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you can hit control and zoom in on
anything that you want to see in here,

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but you'll be able to see. Come on. Oh,
there we go. This will be easier.

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This is the island sheet. So if you see
you know canal 13 has to utilize this

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channel and this axis channel to get out
that access channel isn't as in good a

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shape as 13 but any action we're doing
in this is the bene is to benefit

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everybody who comes in 11A to access 11
12 13 or 14. So even though now 13 might

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not need it the access channel may you
know. So again it's a program it's not a

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project. We're not we're not just
pinpointing one one thing that and going

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after it. We're actually going after it
in a programmatic way.

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So, back into this website. And again, I
I I do encourage you to explore all of

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this. And if you have any questions or
comments on the bottom of here, you

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could just click on this box right here.
It'll open up your whatever your browser

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is for your email. And then you can send
us a question and or a comment.

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So, back into here, why now has more of
kind of the message I just I just said.

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Um, program funding details, it kind of
has it broken down as the first five

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years. And after that, we're going to
try to reduce the cost of both the

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assessment and the millillage by half,
you know. So, um, and then property

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specific details is this is where that
other button would would take you. Or

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you can just go right to here.
And if you go full screen, you can zoom

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in anywhere you want and you could see
if you're blue, you know, if you're

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blue, those those properties are paying
the direct, you know, the both the

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assessment and the millillage. So
they're direct access. Uh and if you're

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in the green, then you're not. So, you
could zoom in, and I'm not going to pick

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on anybody, but you could just zoom in
on any canal, and you could just pick

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any house, and it will tell you that
that that property

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um you know, and the assessed value is
800

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3,000. It has one EBU because it has a
dock or it has the ability to have a

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dock. So, the advalorum assessment would
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then the fixed assessment
um would be 620. So the millage would be

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$50, the tax would be $50.3
and then this uh 620 is the assessment

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because that's a direct access property.
So for the first uh for the first five

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years, you're looking at a $670
uh you know um tax and assessment that

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would be levied on this property. And
then what we do is we actually added in

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there the maintenance years, the six
plus. So what would we be looking at

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about 343?
So that's I wanted to kind of show you

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that this is how transparent the town's
trying to be in order to you know

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provide the information or the level of
information to the taxpayers so that

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they could see you know what what does
this do on here you could see like even

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that canal would have to go out 31A and
31A at this area this junction is pretty

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skinny. Um, so it it it might need
attention even though if if 30A

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according to the canal sheets doesn't
need it now might need it in the future.

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That's why it's a program not a project.
So with that we'll go back.

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» Can you show grass?
>> That's perfect. Thank you. All right.

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The question was, can you show where the
new grass flats would be? Um, I'm saying

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this so that way the people online will
understand or hear the question. So if

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you go up to here, we have our Subacrius
project where this is the old line.

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That's the prop the the scar from
putting in the the line that we did back

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in the 70s. This line, every time you
flush your toilet, it eventually goes

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out this line back to Manatee County
where it gets treated. Um so there is a

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need because that line is aging that
we're in the process of of putting in

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another line. This is called the long
bar channel, right? which is is a great

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aerial, but this long bar channel was
created by the Army Corps of Engineers

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back in 1889ish, you know. Um, and that
was the old inter coastal waterway. And

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then in 1916, they relocated that
channel to here. Um, so, you know, they

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abandoned this. And so this is so deep
that seaggrasses can't grow because it's

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below the photoic zone. The photoic zone
is the layer of penetration that

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sunlight can reach to allow grasses to
grow. because because this has existed

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during our permitting process to to kind
of kickstart this this you know the

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projects within this program we have to
like cuz we're we are going to be

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impacting some seaggrasses where they
weren't mitigated before we have to

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create a seaggrass mitigation area in in
this location. So we permitted over four

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acres um we only have to like fill
between two and three or something like

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that acres. Um, but what we're looking
to do is utilize, and we've already done

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the core borings and the grab samples to
utilize the dredge material to put into

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that hole in order to save both time and
money uh in the program. So, you know,

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the the $9 million right now is kind of
like in our worst case scenario if we

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had to import fill or if we couldn't use
as much fill from our canals. But we've

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actually went and done the research, did
the cores, pulled those cores, sent them

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up to a lab at Eard College and had them
checked out. And you know, we have some

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pretty usable material in our canals
that I need 24,000 cubic yards to fill

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that hole. So, we have a good amount of
good amount of material that we can put

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in there. And our permits right now only
only give us 9,000 cubic yards

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approximately. So, there's a lot of
makeup. So in that first cycle of

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dredging we might be hitting a lot more
just in order to like facilitate net

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need. Now one of the things I wanted to
share before we get into the the

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questions a lot of a lot of questions
have come up of why is it 8020 why if I

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don't live on a canal do I have to pay
the 20%. Well, I already talked about

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the bol load reduction. We talked about
the seaggrass mitigation area which is

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going to benefit everybody by enhancing
our already pristine environment. But at

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the same time, if we have major
rainfalls and we have something called

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runoff, if those runoffs hit any of the
drains, like the drains across here,

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which is just north of uh Bayront Park,
um we have some a series of drains here

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that exit out underneath these canals,
underneath these boats in this canal

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section. So if what's what's really
interesting about it and you can even go

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north of there or south of there, you
get into Country Club Shores and it's a

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great example of where a lot of a lot of
these actually do drain into like

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there's there's a covert right here. It
actually drains into this canal. All

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right. So if if anything in here happens
to get, you know, through a rain event,

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comes down uh Gulf of Mexico Drive where
this is actually, you know, from one of

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the resorts in onto the street and makes
its way into that into that covert. It's

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going to make its way into those canals.
And those are all the way up and down.

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There's another one here. Um
I you can't tell because of the

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construction on here, but they they're
they they do exist, especially in in

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this segment.
What what I found to be interesting

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because I actually did a little bit more
in-depth research on this. All of these

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um
all of these golf course ponds are

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interconnecting.
And so if any runoff happens in this

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area and it gets into these cuz the
drains from these roads actually bury

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you know go out into uh for the most
part into these uh uh these ponds. But

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this whole all this pond system is
interconnected and it eventually makes

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its way down to here. If you see this
that's called a wear structure that

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separates salt water from fresh water.
So the obviously the the golf courses

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want to use this fresh water to irrigate
this. But if it if there's enough runoff

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or you have a bigger storm event, then
you're going to have this water coming

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over this wear structure where it feeds
two to three pipes that come right out

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here into canal 58 or something like
that 55.

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Same thing happens even over in this
location like all these interconnecting

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ponds actually make their way into this
wear structure and then this rare

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structure actually feeds pipe that drain
into here. I'm sorry actually on this

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side they cross the road here and drain
into this canal which is the you know

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very north end of country club shores in
the very south end of Bay Isles.

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So I wanted that was one of the and
that's just a question that has come up

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before like why why the 20 why the 20
and our our consultants actually looked

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at all that data and they said this
makes sense and I think this this is

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this is what we want to work with and
and and and because it's also fair and

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familiar with the beach program that we
currently have um you know it it was it

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seemed to be the way to go. So in here
we'll go back one. silver.

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So in here there's also we also we also
house a lot of the frequently asked

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questions. So as we get questions and
they're repetitive questions, we try to

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capture those and capture the answer and
put them in here on both this site and

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the town's website. And there's other
programmatic information in here uh as

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well. So again, a very robust website
trying to share information and right

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now we're in data collection mode so
that way we can come back to the

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commission in April and present what the
outcomes of all these these these

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outreach meetings are are are we were
able to capture. So at this time I'm

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going to open it up to questions and I'm
going to keep these open so if you have

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a question I can wait. There's a mic's
coming your way so that way people

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online can hear.

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Um just a quick question. Um so no state
or federal funds were available to us or

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we didn't qualify for anything?
>> No. Even even in my past practices I you

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know there's there's no grants outside
of FEMA reimbursement for damage that

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I've ever been able to find. Um, you
know, there there are some that may be

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on the east coast that they're using
where they have major bile load issues

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that might they might be able to qualify
for, but we don't because we don't have

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a maintenance program. We've we haven't
been able to demonstrate that we've been

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maintaining these as infrastructure.

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» Well, thank you for all this
information. Uh, very helpful. My

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question is when you uh explain how the
funding was going to be uh broken down

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between categories, I think you use the
term nondirect access.

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» Is that a correct term because it's not
really it it sounds like you're using

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that because that's what you use for the
beach reourishment, but it's really non

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access.
>> Yeah. Well, that see because because if

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it's a it's an assessment because if
it's an assessment, it has to show a

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direct benefit. So that's why direct
access and nondirect access. So if you

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don't have direct access, then you're
only paying the millillage because

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you're showing a direct benefit, you
have that's why I'm using that term.

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That's the only reason why I'm using
that term is because the assessment is

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linked to a direct benefit.
I hope that answers

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Hi. Um, thanks for the opportunity. Um,
so I've been a resident owner here for

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22 years. Um, I think I'm very
supportive of the program. Uh, I think

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you need a government action here
because you'll have hold out residents

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that won't want to pay dredging in front
and it's piggybacking on others efforts.

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You just need an overall approach. If
we're doing this at all, the only way

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you can do it is by government. I also
like the fact you're recycling a lot of

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the waste, so it's pretty efficient
relative to hauling,

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» right? Uh so those are those are really
positive things but I do quibble on the

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allocation because I don't think it's
equitable. I think the uh analogies well

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I'll first start with you alluded to it
there was a question about the labeling

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in by using a non nondirect label it
seems to me as a plain reading to imply

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there's some indirect benefit and I
quibble with actually whether there is

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to the extent we're talking about the
residential no outlet canals

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um as I look at the canals and your
picture shows it quite well uh there's a

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lot of canals that are 20 to 25 ft wide.
>> They all have docks on them or lifts.

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Narrows the the navigable gap by up to a
third and maybe even more than a third.

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If you took a small rental boat because
I don't have a boat

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» and I don't get a direct benefit. I'm
not on a canal, but I I could park a

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boat and anchor it in the front of that
canal and because they're so narrow, no

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one could get in or out. That's how
narrow they are. a lot of them and

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because they're no outlet, they're not
truly navigable for anyone that's not

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living on that particular canal. So from
my sensibilities, I think the you call

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the other canals access canals. They do
broadly benefit navigation.

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There's some ancillary benefits probably
to everyone.

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» I have no qualms with an allocation
about those. But where I could never

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personally put a boat on your canal,
it's hard for me to see why I'm paying

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for it because it looks a lot to me like
a private driveway for boats and as such

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I I don't pay for my neighbors driveway
or to reseal it. I think you're bringing

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up a great point. However, the town does
pave the roads, you know. So, like if I

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was to come in here with a dredge, we
would dredge the center line of the

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canal to what the permitted width was,
where we could, like you're saying,

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there is there are restrictions with
docks and whatnot, that do restrict

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navigability,
>> but from their from that center line of

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that canal to their dock, that's their
driveway, right?

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» Their dock or their boat lift is their
garage. And so, while I I will put this

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out there and thank you for for your
comment. I really do appreciate and I'll

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let you I'm not actually finished but
I'll let you go.

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» No, no, no. I just wanted to like say on
that point on that point on that point

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alone what we would do at the time when
we have a a contractor in there we would

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reach out to any of the residents that
are in the area that the contractor was

399
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:40,640
there and say hey while they're here
there's a benefit for you where you

400
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:45,840
could come under a separate contract
with that contractor in order to do some

401
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:51,200
docside dredging for much reduced cost.
But go ahead, sir. So I I I have a hard

402
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:57,519
time seeing much of a strong benefit on
these narrow no outlet canals. I think

403
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,840
if you're talking about marketability,
you know, our general property values

404
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:07,039
without question, if we don't dredge
these still dredge these canals, those

405
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:11,919
properties values will drop because
they're much lower usefulness the more

406
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:16,480
they fill in. I doubt people that are on
the beach in a condo have a market

407
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,320
impact at all because when you buy a
condo on the beach, you're not saying,

408
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:24,559
"Oh, by golly, I could take a rented
boat and try to go in one of these

409
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,279
canals." You that's not why you buy that
condo, right?

410
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:32,399
» So, I don't think there's there's a
strong correlation here. And by the way,

411
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:35,519
let's look at this the dredging that's
occurring right now. The federal

412
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:41,120
government's paying for the dredging of
the the new pass 100%.

413
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:46,320
» Why? because it's a public access
navigable waterway. It provides a

414
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:49,519
benefit broadly to everyone. Why are
they not paying for part of the

415
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,720
residential canal dredging? It's because
it's private.

416
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,880
» Yeah. And the Nicore doesn't do
residential dredging. However, they do

417
00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,640
dredge like the inter coastal waterway
which all of our canals do connect to.

418
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:05,279
» And that's my point and that's why it's
appropriate for us to say there's a

419
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,679
general benefit for access canals.
That's different than talking about the

420
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,880
the residential canals that are no
outlet.

421
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:14,880
» Yes, sir.
>> So, from my perspective, it's it's

422
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:21,279
difficult to see this allocation. I
think the analogy to the brief to to the

423
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:26,320
beach reourishment is misplaced because
under federal law and state law, the

424
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:29,200
public owns the beach up to the high
water mark.

425
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:35,519
» No, actually in our case, they own it up
until the erosion control line, which is

426
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:41,200
much further landward. of even better.
>> So there's a huge swath of public land

427
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:44,480
on our entire 14 mile island here,
>> right?

428
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:49,840
» Everyone on the island, the farthest you
are away from a beach is probably six

429
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:54,880
city blocks. In many cases, it's one.
It's not difficult to get across the

430
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:58,320
street or to walk to the beach. Uh last
week, someone said we only have two

431
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:03,360
access points to the beach. That's
completely incorrect. There's 12 and

432
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:08,079
they're spaced by and this is by state
law. You have to give an easement to get

433
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:13,359
access to that public beach. Therefore,
everyone on the island whether they

434
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:18,399
utilize it or not has a b a a practical
and legal basis to use the beach. The

435
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:23,119
people that are not on the canals did
not have a similar use of those canals.

436
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:27,760
So to use the same allocation percentage
does not make sense to me. If you ask my

437
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:32,079
honest opinion, it's either zero or some
dimminimous percentage for those that

438
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:36,240
are not on canals. And we should be
paying for the access canals because

439
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:40,639
those are more broadly navigable.
>> And and again, we're I'm not justifying

440
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,480
anything. We're just here to collect
your opinions as well. And that way we

441
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,280
can, you know, I think you actually
already sent an email as well, didn't

442
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,800
you? You did. So
>> this

443
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,240
» Exactly. And that's that's what we're
looking for. We're looking for if we can

444
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,880
we can get if we can get the written
documentation. Again, that's why we we

445
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,160
like to direct people to that where you
can click on it and then give us your

446
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,599
your your comments and that that that
that is a benefit. But on the beach

447
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:11,520
side, I will say this like we do our
beach projects for three reasons.

448
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,359
Recreation is one. The other one is
habitat for both sea turtles and

449
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:19,839
shorebirds. The third one which is more
of a direct benefit for those Gulf side

450
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,880
properties is the Burm elevations which
is the storm surge protection.

451
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:35,520
» Hi, I'm Terry Boss of Fairway Bay One. I
sent in an email uh on that. I was

452
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:41,920
looking at some possible cost
reductions. Um, I authored a hurricane

453
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:46,560
surge report after we had the hurricane
on the impacts we had and things that

454
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:53,280
could be improved
in our area. We have a burm around our

455
00:35:49,440 --> 00:36:00,560
subdivision of the condos and we have a
low area there where we had a lot of the

456
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:06,640
seawater coming over in the surge uh by
our tennis courts. And the thing I was

457
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:12,880
trying to raise up is that we probably
could use some fill uh in that area to

458
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,400
build up the burm to stop it from coming
over

459
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,640
the parking lots and then getting into
the street and then flooding a lot of

460
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:23,200
houses
>> and and that's a great point sir. So you

461
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:26,480
know another thing of future use there's
a thing called benefits your use of

462
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,720
dredge material and and that's something
that again we're looking to do for that

463
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,480
seaggrass mitigation. That's that's our
primary focus right now because we have

464
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,040
to build it per permit. But outside of
that, when we start getting into

465
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,040
maintenance, especially when you're
dredging from the upland canals, the

466
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,920
upland canals don't have the same kind
of rules and regulations a little bit

467
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:50,800
than the ones the access channels and
the peritive channels because that's the

468
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:56,079
stuff out there is state lands. And so
the state requires that that material be

469
00:36:53,200 --> 00:37:00,560
used for the benefit or you of the
general public or you actually pay a

470
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,960
severance fee. Um but when you're
dredging an upland channel, we're going

471
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:10,480
to be looking for spots where we might
be able to disp you know deposit some

472
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,440
material in a beneficial means. And so
you know something like that would be a

473
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:20,240
cost benefit to everybody.
>> Yeah. So, it was on 33B

474
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:25,760
stations 51 through 53 is the area
that's low right next to the channel and

475
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,000
uh seems like an easy place to put it.
The only question I had was how long

476
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,400
does it take the salt to kind of filter
out of the fill material?

477
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:39,440
» Typically, it depends too on your rains.
Okay? you know, once you stack that

478
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:43,680
material um in in past practices, it
could take a year, you know, before the

479
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:49,280
rain s the rains and and everything
else, make it percolate the salt down,

480
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,760
you know, where you can not be burning
grass and stuff. In other cases though,

481
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,599
if it's good good sand like we were
finding in these and they percolate a

482
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,920
lot quicker, that that that time can can
go down a lot more. However, you know,

483
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:07,280
anytime you you're pulling material from
an a saline or coin vi environment, it

484
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,040
takes a while for it to actually compact
enough. So, if you ever wanted to build

485
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:14,480
like some type of structure on there,
you might you might be waiting for

486
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:19,240
compaction a little bit longer.
>> Okay. Thank you.

487
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:19,240
» You're welcome. Ma'am,

488
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,720
» I just want to make sure I understand
the assessment.

489
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:30,000
The
So, are you saying that the fees are

490
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:34,960
going to be based on the property's
assessment? So, for instance, if there's

491
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:40,960
two houses on the same canal, one's a
million dollar, one's $2 million, the $2

492
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:45,359
million house will get double the amount
of the assessment than the $1 million.

493
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:51,359
» Double the amount of the millage, which
is the tax. The assessment's a flat fee.

494
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:55,440
So, yes. And then let's go back into
that. So, we'll just again not picking

495
00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:01,760
on anybody, just picking on this. We'll
we'll use an example. Um, in here we

496
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:07,680
have a $1 million property and it has
one equivalent benefit unit.

497
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Um, and then so you can see that the
total fee for for the first five years

498
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:16,240
would be 6.89. Typically, if you go to
the end where the property is a little

499
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:21,440
bit bigger,
um you see a $3 million and you can see

500
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,359
that the for the first five years, it's
at $830

501
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:30,640
assessment. And again, that's that's
because the millage rate is set real

502
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:36,160
low. It's set at, you know, 0623.
Being that low of a millage, you know,

503
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:41,599
on a taxable value property, you can it
breaks it down. It's $210 versus and

504
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:49,880
then the 620. And we go back to, you
know, the other property and the Avalor

505
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,880
was 69. So 210 versus 69.

506
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Kind of camping on to that point. A
couple last two points made. I'm in

507
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:05,040
Emerald Harbor, 82 homes,
>> all on water. I don't think we're

508
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:09,200
getting any dredging going on. Um, and
kind of camping on to what was said

509
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,359
previously, there's I'm in favor of
this. I think it's a great idea. I think

510
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:18,079
generally we all benefit, but it seems
like we need a more benefit-based

511
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:21,200
approach.
If you're in a canal that's not getting

512
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,680
dredged versus canal that's getting
dredged, there's a dramatic benefit

513
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:29,520
differential. And I know there's the
future and potential, but that's where

514
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:33,520
the maintenance comes in. So, it seems
like there's going to be a subset of

515
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:38,720
canal owners that are going to get a
disproportionate benefit. those who get

516
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,920
» initially potentially. Yes. But
>> it's initially yes. Not potentially.

517
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,200
» All right.
>> Because if you have a canal that's, you

518
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,720
know, not dredged and you have limited
passageway,

519
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,520
you know, it it really will impact the
value of that property big time,

520
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,680
especially for those who have larger
boats. They're non-starters,

521
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:02,160
» right? And part of the program is to
monitor like the conditions of all the

522
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,839
canals as we're moving forward. So, it's
not just to go out there and dredge

523
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:10,079
these and then, you know, there's going
to be monitoring that's going to happen

524
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,280
on a yearly by-early, you know, basis.
We're going out there and checking the

525
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,839
conditions. We need to know that so we
can develop what's the showing rates

526
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,480
where what what canals are showing in,
what access channels that Emerald Halmer

527
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:26,960
might might actually use are are showing
in as well. So that way we can develop

528
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,800
that that that program and eventually
actually reduce those maintenance costs

529
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:36,000
because we're we're projecting the
maintenance costs to be half from the

530
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:38,800
the original assessments. But if we can
reduce those even further through that

531
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,240
maintenance and through that
observation, that's something we're

532
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,240
going to be doing as part of the
program.

533
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Do you you clearly know which canals got
dredged back, you know, 20 plus years

534
00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:03,920
ago. Um, do you see certain canals
getting refilled more quickly than other

535
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,359
canals or you haven't?
>> We don't know because we it's been 23

536
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,960
years,
>> right? But

537
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,000
» so
>> for Emerald Harbor, the canals don't

538
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:18,720
need to be dredged and I don't know.
They either got dredged back 20 years

539
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:24,079
ago, but they've maintained the fact
that now they don't need to be dredged,

540
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:31,280
but there's plenty of other canals that
do. And so I guess are some canals more

541
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:36,240
likely to constantly need to be dredged
than others. So then kind of to the

542
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:41,440
point of some houses will need more
maintenance or some canals will need

543
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:44,800
more maintenance just because of where
they are or some other

544
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,480
» and again that's part of the program to
be able to develop that you know because

545
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:53,440
right now when you haven't done work in
23 years it's hard to come up with those

546
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:58,319
those factual figures. You know what I
mean? Because even in all the canals

547
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,760
that were dredged probably in 2023
maybe some of them don't need to be

548
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,720
dredged but some of them do. Uh that's
something that we would have to like

549
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,040
look at.
>> I'm curious um to to that ends, how are

550
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,240
y'all determining the depths of these
canals?

551
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,800
» Previously, are you going off lower of
low tide or where you where you taking

552
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,400
your measurements to?
>> It's it's mean low water. All all state

553
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:23,280
permits and federal permits are based on
mean low water and they're based off of

554
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,640
the how we're basing what is necessary
out there is off the boat surveys by

555
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,800
which they done.
>> Okay. So they have done surveys separate

556
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:34,960
from the geological surveys. I know
those are way off. I I I boat every day

557
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,800
almost. I know the depths of these
waters and they're not anything what

558
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,480
charts are showing. They're going to be
very determinant of what's actually on

559
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,720
the ground. And I'm curious how you are
doing that

560
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,720
» and that changes on a daily basis, you
know. So, you know that because it's

561
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,160
just, you know, it's it's a very influx
environment that that these canals have

562
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,000
to live in.
>> And then are y'all doing so all your

563
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,240
green areas including condos, commercial
owners, I would assume, also were being

564
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,160
assessed.
>> Yep. commercial owners are being

565
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:08,400
assessed as well on the north end. We
have you know were these updated the

566
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:14,880
Marvis. So we have like these dock
structures will be counted as one one

567
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:19,920
unit per you know so if they have like
seven eight slips they'll they'll have

568
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:24,319
you know seven assessments plus their
millillage that they would be paying.

569
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,319
Same thing with cannons. Same thing with
uh the boat house you know so on and so

570
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,720
forth. And do you have that broken down
by how many green properties you have

571
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,440
and how many direct access properties
you have on the website showing that

572
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:40,000
those numbers?
>> Um, I'm not sure if the if the if the

573
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,440
access and direct access are are listed
on here. Something we can definitely

574
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:48,480
add, but I think Tara might have that. I
don't think that specific that specific

575
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:54,240
statistic try that three times fast is
listed on the website but just memory

576
00:44:50,400 --> 00:45:00,040
serves it's about 6040 40% direct access
60% not islandwide roughly.

577
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:09,760
» Thank you. I was wondering if you could
uh discuss the project that's going on

578
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:15,599
in New Pass and those of us who live
there and are impacted by this 247. It's

579
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,440
very difficult.
Are we going to be assessed? Those of us

580
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:26,319
who live on New Pass, how is that going
to work? No, there's if you if you live

581
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:32,079
on New Pass, there are if you look there
are there are some uh docks that exist,

582
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:38,079
you know, up in here and then and
around. And then some of these are

583
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:43,520
considered outside of the CCCL. We have
to adjust this map. um which would

584
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,040
require you like you know if you're
outside the CCCL which is the coastal

585
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,040
construction control line you would
require another layer of permitting

586
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:55,520
which would put you into what's called a
joint coastal permitting process. So

587
00:45:53,599 --> 00:46:00,960
those might not be those might be exempt
from being able to have a dock but if

588
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:06,160
you if you do have a dock then yes you
would be assessed in within I'm I'm I'm

589
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:09,839
pretty sure you you probably live out in
this stretch. Yes, we right on the

590
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:11,040
corner in S's point.
>> Okay.

591
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,720
» Some of us have
>> that's you're one of the properties.

592
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,240
You're one of the properties that is see
what the CCCL this this map needs to be

593
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,200
adjusted.
>> Okay.

594
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:23,520
» Yeah.
>> Um and do you could you tell us how long

595
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,760
this project will go on in New Pass?
>> The new pass again that's a federal

596
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:32,800
project that's that's in in coalition
with the West Coast Inland Navigation

597
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:37,599
District and the city of Sarasota. Uh
they're dredging that that channel right

598
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:42,480
now. They've already dredged what that
what's called and I'm just going off of

599
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:49,440
memory, okay? So, bear with me, but they
they dredge cuts two and three. And now

600
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,680
they're out here uh hitting cuts one and
two. As soon as they're done with those

601
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:57,440
two, they'll do a final sweep in here,
come through, and they're going to

602
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:02,160
dredge a couple of the cuts going this
way.

603
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Um, I can send you or we can uh I could
find the link for the Army Corps project

604
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,800
because it's not a town project and I
can let you know, but they have like

605
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:14,079
timelines. They have updates. Uh, they
even have the contacts with the city of

606
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:18,240
Sarasota that if you have any other
additional information that you want to

607
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,839
provide them or or ask them, I can I can
get you that information.

608
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,960
» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

609
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:26,560
» Charlie, we at First Line do have some
very periphery involvement with that

610
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:32,240
project, so I may have just a little bit
of extra intel. Um, uh, I can tell you

611
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:36,480
that that project has a must complete
date established as April 30th, which

612
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:42,000
coincides with the start of sea turtle
nest season on Leo K. Uh, from just the

613
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,400
little bit I know about the project, um,
I think the latest schedule I've heard

614
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:51,920
is midappril is the latest schedule I've
heard.

615
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:57,160
» Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that. Are
there any other questions? There's one

616
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,160
back there. We'll just wait for

617
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,079
Not to be funny here, but you have
measured the water levels 23 years ago

618
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:09,920
and now,
>> right? The canal water levels.

619
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:14,720
» No. So what what we're basing it off of
of 23 years ago there was there was

620
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:18,160
baometric surveys that were done to get
the permits in order to get the

621
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,400
contractors out there to do the dredging
and then there was asbuilt surveys that

622
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,680
that went along with it to make sure
that those they were dredged to the

623
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:30,079
depth and the width and everything that
they were supposed to. And then what we

624
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,240
did was over just over a year ago, maybe
closer to two now, is we went out there

625
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,240
and just did a conditional survey
running up and down the canals with the

626
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,880
same type of equipment that you would
use to do the bathometric survey for

627
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,040
construction or for permitting just to
get a conditional

628
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,160
» idea of what's out there.
>> I was thinking we would have water

629
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,760
levels rising. I've been told we we
would for the last 15 years. Yeah, as a

630
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:56,720
matter of fact, you're right because
they're about to set the the the title

631
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,640
datim um that's coming down the line
this this year and I think in our area

632
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,319
it's about a half a foot that they're
actually going to adjust that mean low

633
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,680
water is going to go up a half a foot.
>> Okay.

634
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,839
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.

635
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:23,359
» She's getting her steps in people.
Thank you. Um, I have a question and a

636
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:27,599
comment, but first I'd like to just
thank the township leadership and staff

637
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:30,960
for getting this project moving. I I
think if we had a time machine, we

638
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:34,960
wouldn't have waited. We'd go back and
not wait 23 years, and that makes the

639
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:39,599
process probably a little more painful
from a funding standpoint, but it's

640
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:43,040
terrific that it's happening. Um, my
question is related to permitting. You

641
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,720
know, do you have permits in hand
approved? Are there pending permits?

642
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,559
what do you anticipate the permit
process to look like in terms of any

643
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:57,520
barriers or potential setbacks? And my
comment is I was really happy to hear

644
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:02,880
you made a comment that the residents on
the water will be able to negotiate with

645
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:07,280
the contractors. Um, I would encourage
you to highly publicize that because

646
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,559
when this is done,
>> you know, there's people out there that

647
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:16,720
come out and they kind of pump water to
clear lifts and docks and where does

648
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,440
that fill go? It goes right back into
the channel. It does.

649
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:23,040
» If we get the contractor to do it, it's
going to be hauled away and right

650
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,920
seaggrass mitigation. So, that's a great
option and I just want to make sure

651
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,119
everyone knows about it.
>> Yeah, we will. And and to into your

652
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:36,160
first comments, we already have permits.
The permits that we have now are for

653
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:42,880
those ones that weren't permitted for in
some cases back in 2023. In 2023, there

654
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,880
was a big a big, you know, there was a
mass massive effort that that took

655
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:52,319
place, a permit through three different
permits, all of, you know, the canals

656
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:56,160
that they dredged back then. Um, so what
we would be doing is just applying for

657
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:00,160
exemptions because where dredging has
happened in the past, you should be able

658
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:04,240
to dredge again. And so we're going to
be applying for exemptions in those

659
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,720
cases. And same thing with the Army
Corps and most of most of the time, you

660
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,720
I don't know if SPGP still exists, but
it probably it does it because it it

661
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,200
existed, then it didn't exist, and now
it exists again. But that allows the

662
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,480
federal government or the state to act
on behalf of the federal government. So,

663
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,839
if you can prove that it's maintenance
only, then the permitting takes, you

664
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,000
know, it could take weeks or just
months, not years. And so, we're lining,

665
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:34,319
we're going to line that up along with
the program. And so, with that, I mean,

666
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:40,400
one of the other questions comes out,
hey, when can we start if if there's any

667
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:44,800
way of starting sooner than later? And
what we've done, um, because that $3

668
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:48,319
million, remember, I want to hit a bunch
of canals, not just the ones that are

669
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:53,040
tied to the the existing permit, which
is only 14 15 canals. I want to hit a

670
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,200
bunch more so I can start to affect
change for everybody so we can extend

671
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:02,960
this program and reduce cost. So, we
actually asked because like I mentioned

672
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:07,839
before,
this funny little waterway that goes on

673
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:11,200
the opposite side of where it should be
um that we have to or I'm sorry, the

674
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:16,720
funny little warway on this one that
goes opposite of where it should go. Uh

675
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,880
we actually asked for an appropriations
uh through uh the Water Resource

676
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:25,040
Development Act of 2026. So, it's brand
new, you know, just got published. And

677
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:29,680
in it they're they said, "Hey, look, if
you have a mitigation project, you could

678
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:34,400
potentially get funding for that." So
I'm like, "Hey, Army Corps, you created

679
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,880
this back in 1880s and then you put it
over here, but you abandon that. What

680
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:43,680
we're trying to do is fix the problem to
also booster the seaggrass beds that

681
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:47,920
happen to be in one of your own national
estuaries." So, you know, we're we're

682
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:52,880
we're working that we're working every
angle we can to actually even further

683
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:56,000
reduce cost on this. Um, and so if we if
we're able to, you know, get that and

684
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:59,680
that's successful,
you know, that's one thing. The other

685
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,880
thing too is like, uh, it, you know, say
we weren't able to, is there a way that

686
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:06,960
we could potentially take out a
short-term loan in order to jumpstart

687
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,960
this because this was always developed
as a pay as you go program. So, we would

688
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:15,280
have to collect money for at least the
first three years before we could start

689
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:19,920
actually affecting change. That's, you
know, that's that's that's adding three

690
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:23,920
years to 23 years, you know. So again,
we're as staff and as the commission and

691
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:28,319
as our our management team because we
have our assistant town manager right

692
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:31,599
back there. Go for anything that you can
and that's what we're doing in order to

693
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:35,680
like try to reduce the cost and the
overall impact on the community

694
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:39,839
» and no additional to go directly with
the contractor on clear.

695
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,000
» No, the there's a contractor sitting
right back there. Raise your hand. Wave

696
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:48,160
to everybody. Yes. So you got a couple
these guys know that like doside

697
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:51,040
dredgings are covered underneath the the
same exemptions that I mentioned

698
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:55,520
especially if you live in an upland
canal and also you know they just have

699
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:59,359
to apply for the exemption the notice of
exemption and there's army corps

700
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:03,200
nationwide permits that cover doside
dredging that along with that I don't

701
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:10,000
know 14 or something like that
nationwide 14 um but those those two are

702
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:15,359
the arms by which they do it but again
like you mentioned before advertising

703
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,880
way in advance. So that way a a a marine
contractor if they if they were hired,

704
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:22,960
they know I'm going to be coming over
here. Let me start the paperwork with

705
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:27,119
them, get the contract going, and then,
you know, settle on on a a fee because

706
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:35,359
typically it's by barge load, by bucket
load, by whatever. It's much reduced

707
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:40,079
» that process that question has to be if
you're in a nonal.

708
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,960
» Yes, you can. So the question was if
you're in a canal that you know you

709
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:47,119
might need to have some doside dredging
but you're not in the ones that need

710
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,880
immediate attention. Yes. If you're if
in geographically if you're in an area

711
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:55,599
that they could go hit, they're going to
go hit. And I when I started that

712
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,000
program in Charlotte County, we did it
the first couple of times in some pretty

713
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:04,800
big major jobs where they were there for
like a year. These duding contractors, I

714
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,480
got one or two per canal saying, "Yeah,
come do me. Come do me." the next year

715
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,920
when there there it was like I was like
hey contractor you have to do the county

716
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:16,400
job you can't just do the residential
dredging but it once word of mouth gets

717
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,240
out people take advantage of it because
it is a massive savings if you think

718
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:23,839
about you're not paying them to mobilize
to your site they're already there

719
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,880
sir back there
>> yeah I got three points actually uh I'd

720
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:36,160
like to thank you all as well definitely
uh the town for this um one thing uh was

721
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:40,240
Helen taken into account as a result of
all the debris and everything that was

722
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,000
washed into canals. And then secondly,
if you started today, could you

723
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:48,640
guesstimate how long it would take to
complete every canal?

724
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:53,520
» Yeah. Um, two great questions. First,
Helen, we tried, but because we have no

725
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,599
we we don't we couldn't demonstrate
maintenance. We weren't able to get a we

726
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:02,480
weren't able to get FEMA to come out and
dredge, but we were able to get them to

727
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:06,400
come out and and and and try to like
remove as much debris. We were working

728
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:10,880
with FDM, Florida Division of Emergency
Management, uh, a bunch of people, West

729
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:16,319
Coast Inland Navigation District to
remove derelic vessels, our police, our

730
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:21,119
the sheriff's department, all the way
down the line. Obviously suff, you know,

731
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:24,240
there are onesie twoosies. We literally
two weeks ago, hey, there's a mattress

732
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:28,240
in the canal. My guys went out and moved
it. You know what I mean? So, we're here

733
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,720
to service you. Obviously, you know,
that exceptional service is our motto.

734
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,480
Um, you know, obviously we don't have
the resources that some of these big

735
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,240
agencies have, but we do the best we
can. Uh, what was the second question?

736
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:46,559
Oh, if you're going to start now, how
long would it take? Again, if you look

737
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:52,079
back at the 20 2003 dredge in lie of
being able to pl take that material out

738
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:55,200
to that this bo this spoil site. So, if
you have a contractor, he's only

739
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,960
handling it once. He's dredging it from
you and depositing it over there.

740
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:05,440
However, the travel distance is a little
bit big. Back in 2003, they had to come

741
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:10,640
up with what's called a DMMA, a dredge
management site, you know, basically is

742
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:13,839
what it stands for. And there was two of
them and they were huge. And one of them

743
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:18,960
actually blew out and there was a
consent order and blah blah blah. But

744
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:23,040
they had to handle that material like
two to three times before it met its

745
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:29,760
final destination.
Um, but that project was about a year

746
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:33,599
long. To do the restoration, we're
probably looking at a year's worth of

747
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:38,240
impact on the island.
>> Thank you.

748
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:42,720
» I'm just guesstimating. Okay. I'm just
off of past

749
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:47,280
show every canal and whether it's it
would be scheduled to be made. Again,

750
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,079
even if it says it's a B right now, we
might need material out of that B in

751
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:56,400
order to like make up that deficit, the
16,000 cubic yard deficit that I

752
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,480
currently have to fill that seaggrass
mitigation area. So, we're going to be

753
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:05,359
hitting wherever there is suitable
material to get to that that that magic

754
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:10,160
number because if I start importing fill
in, I have to import it, let it sit on

755
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,440
on a place, have a marine cartridge go
out there and grab it, put it on a

756
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,880
barge, take it out there, and then
deposit it.

757
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,880
You know, so there's the more you handle
material, the more it cost. And that's

758
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:25,440
why like in our beach projects, we
average about 30,000 uh $30 a cubic yard

759
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,480
when we do the big beach bills from
offshore sand sources. And you double

760
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:38,040
that cost when you truck in material
because of the amount of handling.

761
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,040
Are there any other questions?

762
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,440
Well, I thank you for your time. I
really do appreciate it. If you haven't

763
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:47,040
signed in, sign in. Again, I do
encourage if you have any other

764
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:52,440
questions and or comments, please
utilize that that site. And thank you