[0:07] All right, it is now two o'clock. We're
going to start the presentation. Uh,
[0:11] first off, I'm just going to introduce
myself and then I'll let the team
[0:14] introduce themselves. That way, those
people if they do come online, they can
[0:17] actually capture who's talking through
that image. I'm Charlie Mops. I'm the
[0:22] public works director for the town of
Lombok Key. Um, to my left,
[0:27] uh, hello. Uh, my name is Mark Strike.
um uh with first line first line coastal
[0:32] were consultants to the town uh
designers engineers for the project. Uh
[0:36] we also have one more uh with us who's
joining online. She was actually sick
[0:40] today so we asked her to stay home keep
the rest of us safe. Uh her name is Tara
[0:44] Hollis. She is with Wilder Associates
who's an accounting firm uh also
[0:48] consultants to the town.
>> Right. And uh I would like to recognize
[0:52] we have uh for former Vice Mayor Hock in
in the audience. We also have
[0:56] Commissioner Brennham and I think uh
Commissioner Bishop is going to be
[1:00] attending as well later. So I'm going to
share my screen so those that do join
[1:05] will actually be able to you know follow
along with us. Uh
[1:15] and ma'am if you don't mind signing in.
So as you can see like this is our town
[1:19] website. What we're trying to be is
super transparent with the the potential
[1:23] development of this program. And what we
have is we have the first button which
[1:28] says navigation program. Uh eventually
if you don't find it there you can find
[1:33] it under residence under waterway
navigation maintenance program. It'll
[1:36] take you to the same website. So just by
clicking on that
[1:41] it brings you to here and this will have
a bunch of information about meeting
[1:46] events uh future meeting events, current
meeting events and eventually after the
[1:50] meeting has been uh you know held and
recorded. A link to those recordings
[1:55] will actually be you know replacing the
dates so that way people can uh go back
[2:01] and see something previous. The message
isn't changing, but just in case you
[2:05] maybe miss something or want to revisit
uh a certain topic, it will be on here.
[2:11] Within here though, there is a couple of
other spots. Why this project matter?
[2:15] Well, if you click on this button, it'll
actually take you to this website, which
[2:20] is the Lombo Key. It was built by First
Line Consultants, and it has all the
[2:26] information that uh we that that we're
going to be sharing tonight. So every
[2:31] brief every aspect of briefing material
or whatnot is actually in this website.
[2:35] So you don't you know again transparency
and just trying to be uh you know as as
[2:40] as you know collecting as much data and
everything else as we possibly can. If
[2:46] you're more like hey what's the bottom
line up front? You could click right
[2:50] here and it will bring you to a spot
that we're going to go share as as a
[2:53] group together in a minute. Um, but it
will bring you to a GIS-based site where
[2:58] you can actually click on your property
or put in your property address and it
[3:01] will tell you if you're a non-canal
fronting property, you what the
[3:05] millillage alone would be. If you're a
canal fronting property, what the mill
[3:09] and assessment would be and it will
it'll break it down and I'll show you
[3:12] how to do all of that really quick and
easy. So, we're going to go right into
[3:16] this website, which again was that first
click. And if you go in here, here's the
[3:21] presentation.
[3:26] I wonder if I can move that. Yes. All
right. So,
[3:31] obviously it was left at the very end
because somebody must have been looking
[3:33] at it, which is good. Um because we want
people to visit these sites. As a matter
[3:39] of fact, one of our residents actually
came to me. There's like, oh, there's a
[3:42] lot of information online. I'm able to
see a lot of that information and and I
[3:46] was able to like kind of gleam an idea
before I even got here. So, that that's
[3:50] a that's a good thing. So, you know,
protecting our waterways is vitally
[3:54] important to the quality of life for our
island community. If you look at that
[3:59] picture, Lombo Key is unique. It is the
entire city is within an island. You
[4:04] know, so we have, you know, beaches on
the on the front side and we have a
[4:08] beautiful bay which is a national
estuary program on the back side. And
[4:12] so, we're just one shared community
and it aligns with the commission's, you
[4:18] know, mission and values. a commissioner
uh bishop just walked in. Hello, ma'am.
[4:25] Uh so, you know, with with our vision
and our mission, you know, we're a
[4:30] natural assets of the barrier island
combined with cultural and recreational
[4:33] amenities. So, you know, we have like a
lot of parks, we have a lot of uh we
[4:38] have our beaches, we maintain all of
those things. The mayor just walked in
[4:42] as well, so we have quite a quite a crew
here. Um so as as it you know we're
[4:48] trying to maintain yet another aspect of
of those cultural amenities
[4:53] um the vigorous maintain and preserve
LMO's key status as a premier
[4:57] residential and visi and visitor
destination. So this program because
[5:02] it's not a project it's a program that
we looked at these this vision and this
[5:07] mission and made sure that it was
aligning with that.
[5:11] So, you know, here's here's a picture of
a canal that, you know, on the north end
[5:16] where it's a little skinny and you could
just see that, you know, our property
[5:20] values and quality of life resolve
around clean water navigable channels.
[5:24] You know, again, we're on the national
estuary program. You know, we're, you
[5:27] know, Sarasota Bay estuary program is
one of only a handful of national
[5:32] recognized estuaries in in the country.
And because the water quality from our
[5:38] bay is shared in our canals that there
there's a there's a linking there's a
[5:43] linking factor there. Our waterways are
a shared amenity that support each of us
[5:47] and we'll get into a little bit more of
that. And then historical overview. So
[5:53] the last time these canals were ever
dredged were back in uh 2003. So 23
[5:58] years ago was the last time as a
municipality we dredged any of the
[6:03] canals in in in the town. Um the issue
was originally developed back in 1996
[6:10] when the commission asked and they
actually formed a group of residents to
[6:13] come up with a funding strategy to move
forward with that. And some of the
[6:18] funding strategies that they came up
with back in the in the '9s are going to
[6:21] be you know very similar to what we're
presenting today. There was over 30
[6:26] reviews and public hearings including
commission meetings all public all
[6:30] publicly advertised and you know
publicly attended. Um but the delays
[6:36] have led to navigability even though
they've been trying to like establish
[6:40] this program over that period of time.
Delays in establishing the program since
[6:45] 2003 have led to areas that are are are
hurting more than others.
[6:52] So as we roll down. So why now? Well,
we've been kicking this can down the
[6:57] road pretty pretty good where to the
point it's flat, right? It doesn't roll
[7:01] anymore. So we're trying to get a once
in a gener generation opportunity. this
[7:06] this group, our consultants and and town
staff working with our commission have
[7:11] gotten further than any other group has
gotten to this point, which is we have
[7:16] the ability and we we had set up through
the commission and resolution and
[7:20] ordinance the ability to use our Mante
County property appraisers and Sarasota
[7:26] County properties appraisers to actually
help us implement this program through
[7:31] the, you know, through their tax bill.
So what's the plan? Well, it's a
[7:38] responsible phase waterway navigation
maintenance program. It's it's it's
[7:42] dedicated to the waterway navigation
only. Um it's restoring safe navigable
[7:48] channels. It's improving and maintaining
storm water uh systems. I don't know why
[7:54] this Microsoft team thinks keeps doing
this, but I'm sorry. Um and I'll show
[7:58] you a little bit about that in a minute.
And it mimics the TW 8020 uh beach
[8:04] program that we currently uh you guys
currently through bond referendum fund
[8:10] with the state, you know, because the
state always, you know, contributes a a
[8:14] percentage towards those those beach
nourishment projects. And then what it's
[8:19] what it's geared to do is reduce overall
long-term cost. So we don't get into the
[8:23] point of restoration. We keep in the
process of of maintenance, you know. So,
[8:28] we're trying to get back to that
maintenance process.
[8:34] So, what are some of the benefits?
Again, it restores and and maintains
[8:37] that access for recre recreational
voters. There's been past meetings where
[8:42] where oh, uh, Vice Mayor Williams has
walked in. Um,
[8:47] it it maintains and restores access.
We've had questions before like, well,
[8:51] my canal right now doesn't need to be
dredged, but it's not to say it won't.
[8:54] That's why it's a program, not a
project. So, you know, all of the canals
[8:58] that come out of Lumbbo Key, including
our axis channels, our perimeter
[9:01] channels, they were cut through
sandbars. Okay? Well, those sandbars
[9:05] shift and eventually it'll choke off or
narrow the navigability of that channel
[9:10] or silt it in to reduce the depth that
channel currently exists. And that's why
[9:14] it's a long-term program. And then
improves and maintains the storm water
[9:19] flow. And again, I'll get a little bit
more into that. And it reinforces the
[9:23] appeal for real estate and tourism. you
know, being on a municipal maintained
[9:27] waterway will definitely increase the,
you know, or or could potentially
[9:33] increase the values, the property values
of those properties. Um, there's a
[9:38] potential to reuse this dredge material
to actually create, which is one of the
[9:41] first things we have to do is a
seaggrass mitigation area out in that
[9:46] aquatic preserve or that uh national
estuary program. And I'm going to show
[9:51] you a little bit about that in in a
minute. Uh, and then there's other
[9:55] environmental enhancements that that
come along with dredging canals on the
[9:58] east coast of Florida where they get a
lot of green allergies and stuff like
[10:01] that. They actually dredge canals to
reduce the bol load that's on the bottom
[10:05] of those canals. The bol load on the
bottom of those canals actually
[10:08] contributes to those nasty things that
are are like red tide. You know, those
[10:13] are things that would feed those
organisms. As a matter of fact, I was
[10:16] just on the phone yesterday with Ryan
Gandandy, who's the director of the
[10:20] Sarasota Bay program, and he was asking
me because he's getting calls about this
[10:25] potential program, and he agreed that
yes, by reducing bile load, you're going
[10:30] to reduce the potential food source for
some of those bad things. And then uh
[10:35] the potential for future femur
reimbursement. In the 15 years I ran
[10:39] this program for Charlotte County, I was
literally dredging two major areas, uh,
[10:44] Pirate Harbor and another one, big
dredge projects that were going on.
[10:48] Hurricane Charlie came through. So, we
had to enact our hurricane plan, get the
[10:52] contractors away and into safety. But
before they left, we went out there and
[10:56] surveyed what they already did. And
after Hurricane Charlie came through,
[11:00] those canals got silted in. Well, FEMA
funded the restoration of those canals
[11:05] because they were part of a maintenance
program. and we were able to show that
[11:08] level of service.
[11:14] So, how are we going to pay for this?
Well, this is why, you know, one of the
[11:17] reasons we hired First Line. Now, one
thing you got to know about First Line,
[11:21] First Line was helping me down in
Charlotte County when I was when I was
[11:24] doing that. Uh, they were working with
Koulse Engineering Consultants who had
[11:28] been doing that, you know, maintaining
that management of that program for be
[11:33] even before I got there. Uh but it's a
you know we hired them and they came up
[11:38] with this this model. It's a fair simple
transparent funding model uh that's
[11:43] similar to the beach nourishment. That's
why it's at 80 80% and the 20%. So 80%
[11:48] would be borne by those direct uh canal
access properties and 20 20% would be
[11:54] covered by the nondirect access
properties.
[12:00] We are estimating a cost of about $9
million for the first five years. We
[12:05] need that much money because we need to
create as part of our permits that
[12:09] seaggrass mitigation area. And those
things aren't cheap. You know, they come
[12:12] at about a price tag of about $3
million. And I we'll show you why. Um
[12:18] then after that, when we start getting
in that programmatic maintenance, so
[12:21] hey, your canal doesn't need to be
dredged now, but it might in the future.
[12:24] this is where that those funds will come
in in order to affect change in the
[12:29] future.
So the methodology you know the
[12:33] millillage plus direct assessment was um
what we've presented to the commission
[12:38] in the direction by which they gave us
to you know review and and and and see
[12:44] if it if if it made enough sense to move
forward. So
[12:50] the millage plus if you look at the box
on the top right you see direct access
[12:55] they'll pay 10% advalorum and then 70%
nonavalorum the nondirect will pay 20%
[13:01] advalorum and they don't pay a direct
assessment and so that's where you come
[13:06] up with that 8020 split and commissioner
coffin just walked into the room too so
[13:10] now we have a full house of
commissioners
[13:18] So why is it work? It's fair, familiar,
consistent with past practices. It saves
[13:22] money in the long term by avoiding
emergency actions. And these these are
[13:26] words that were developed by not only
our our consultant for our engineering
[13:31] consultant, our consultant for
financing, but also by a um a group that
[13:36] we hired to uh come up with a you know a
messaging kind of uh uh consultant. It
[13:42] saves money long term by avoiding
emergency dredging. So, you know,
[13:46] emergency situations where you're
getting into restoration, big impact
[13:50] long-term long term long-term on target
by the the consultant and the
[13:55] contractors to actually dredge those
waterways. When you can get past that
[13:59] and get into maintenance, now you're
just hitting hot spots. You know what I
[14:02] mean? And and so you're going to have
less equipment out there behind the
[14:06] houses dredging and making the noise and
being disruptive.
[14:10] It enhances overall community value and
island resiliency. Again, earlier we we
[14:15] mentioned I'm going to get into some of
the uh the drainage aspects of this and
[14:19] it maintains and and minimizes long-term
construction impacts which I I just
[14:24] mentioned. So before we get into
questions and comments and I do
[14:28] appreciate you guys all holding your
comments and questions to the end, I
[14:32] just want to go through a little bit
more of our our website. So in here we
[14:38] have all the conditions of the waterways
and if you click on this it actually
[14:42] opens up a box and that box is the canal
sheets. So these guys went and they
[14:47] actually did a conditional survey down
every canal. They actually filmed every
[14:53] canal looking for obstructions and
whatnot. the canal sheets are based, you
[14:58] know, so if you're if you're in canal
13, as an example, which is kind of mid
[15:04] canal, uh, mid island, upper, northern
mid, um, they looked at every boat that
[15:10] actually services that canal or utilizes
that canal, and they kind of, uh,
[15:14] classify them. And in it, you'll see
that, you know, the the permitted depth
[15:19] is there, the width is this, and these
are all pulled off of previous permits.
[15:23] Again, like I said, the last time, you
know, we dredged quite a few canals back
[15:27] in 2003, but permits were pulled from
that. So, we don't have to recreate that
[15:31] wheel. We can utilize that information.
So, we're keeping it into the
[15:35] maintenance realm for our our permitting
agencies. But you can see that the
[15:40] average vessel beam is about 10 ft and
the actual draft is about four plus on
[15:45] this canal. So, maintaining it to five
is something we'd have to do. This
[15:50] happens to be one of those canals that's
already meeting that intent, you know,
[15:53] as best as we can. However, this is one
of those canals that if in the future
[16:00] this part shs in, we can get out there
and and take care of it. These canals,
[16:06] this is Hideway Bay, I think it actually
there's some access channels that are
[16:11] skinnier. So, what's nice about it, if
you go up to the first maps, you can and
[16:17] you can hit control and zoom in on
anything that you want to see in here,
[16:23] but you'll be able to see. Come on. Oh,
there we go. This will be easier.
[16:34] This is the island sheet. So if you see
you know canal 13 has to utilize this
[16:38] channel and this axis channel to get out
that access channel isn't as in good a
[16:43] shape as 13 but any action we're doing
in this is the bene is to benefit
[16:49] everybody who comes in 11A to access 11
12 13 or 14. So even though now 13 might
[16:56] not need it the access channel may you
know. So again it's a program it's not a
[17:00] project. We're not we're not just
pinpointing one one thing that and going
[17:04] after it. We're actually going after it
in a programmatic way.
[17:09] So, back into this website. And again, I
I I do encourage you to explore all of
[17:14] this. And if you have any questions or
comments on the bottom of here, you
[17:19] could just click on this box right here.
It'll open up your whatever your browser
[17:22] is for your email. And then you can send
us a question and or a comment.
[17:27] So, back into here, why now has more of
kind of the message I just I just said.
[17:33] Um, program funding details, it kind of
has it broken down as the first five
[17:38] years. And after that, we're going to
try to reduce the cost of both the
[17:42] assessment and the millillage by half,
you know. So, um, and then property
[17:47] specific details is this is where that
other button would would take you. Or
[17:53] you can just go right to here.
And if you go full screen, you can zoom
[17:57] in anywhere you want and you could see
if you're blue, you know, if you're
[18:02] blue, those those properties are paying
the direct, you know, the both the
[18:06] assessment and the millillage. So
they're direct access. Uh and if you're
[18:11] in the green, then you're not. So, you
could zoom in, and I'm not going to pick
[18:17] on anybody, but you could just zoom in
on any canal, and you could just pick
[18:20] any house, and it will tell you that
that that property
[18:25] um you know, and the assessed value is
800
[18:29] 3,000. It has one EBU because it has a
dock or it has the ability to have a
[18:33] dock. So, the advalorum assessment would
be $50.3 for the first five years. And
[18:40] then the fixed assessment
um would be 620. So the millage would be
[18:47] $50, the tax would be $50.3
and then this uh 620 is the assessment
[18:53] because that's a direct access property.
So for the first uh for the first five
[18:59] years, you're looking at a $670
uh you know um tax and assessment that
[19:04] would be levied on this property. And
then what we do is we actually added in
[19:08] there the maintenance years, the six
plus. So what would we be looking at
[19:11] about 343?
So that's I wanted to kind of show you
[19:16] that this is how transparent the town's
trying to be in order to you know
[19:20] provide the information or the level of
information to the taxpayers so that
[19:24] they could see you know what what does
this do on here you could see like even
[19:29] that canal would have to go out 31A and
31A at this area this junction is pretty
[19:35] skinny. Um, so it it it might need
attention even though if if 30A
[19:40] according to the canal sheets doesn't
need it now might need it in the future.
[19:43] That's why it's a program not a project.
So with that we'll go back.
[19:49] » Can you show grass?
>> That's perfect. Thank you. All right.
[19:54] The question was, can you show where the
new grass flats would be? Um, I'm saying
[19:58] this so that way the people online will
understand or hear the question. So if
[20:02] you go up to here, we have our Subacrius
project where this is the old line.
[20:07] That's the prop the the scar from
putting in the the line that we did back
[20:11] in the 70s. This line, every time you
flush your toilet, it eventually goes
[20:15] out this line back to Manatee County
where it gets treated. Um so there is a
[20:21] need because that line is aging that
we're in the process of of putting in
[20:25] another line. This is called the long
bar channel, right? which is is a great
[20:30] aerial, but this long bar channel was
created by the Army Corps of Engineers
[20:34] back in 1889ish, you know. Um, and that
was the old inter coastal waterway. And
[20:40] then in 1916, they relocated that
channel to here. Um, so, you know, they
[20:46] abandoned this. And so this is so deep
that seaggrasses can't grow because it's
[20:51] below the photoic zone. The photoic zone
is the layer of penetration that
[20:55] sunlight can reach to allow grasses to
grow. because because this has existed
[21:02] during our permitting process to to kind
of kickstart this this you know the
[21:07] projects within this program we have to
like cuz we're we are going to be
[21:11] impacting some seaggrasses where they
weren't mitigated before we have to
[21:15] create a seaggrass mitigation area in in
this location. So we permitted over four
[21:20] acres um we only have to like fill
between two and three or something like
[21:23] that acres. Um, but what we're looking
to do is utilize, and we've already done
[21:28] the core borings and the grab samples to
utilize the dredge material to put into
[21:33] that hole in order to save both time and
money uh in the program. So, you know,
[21:39] the the $9 million right now is kind of
like in our worst case scenario if we
[21:44] had to import fill or if we couldn't use
as much fill from our canals. But we've
[21:49] actually went and done the research, did
the cores, pulled those cores, sent them
[21:52] up to a lab at Eard College and had them
checked out. And you know, we have some
[21:57] pretty usable material in our canals
that I need 24,000 cubic yards to fill
[22:02] that hole. So, we have a good amount of
good amount of material that we can put
[22:06] in there. And our permits right now only
only give us 9,000 cubic yards
[22:10] approximately. So, there's a lot of
makeup. So in that first cycle of
[22:15] dredging we might be hitting a lot more
just in order to like facilitate net
[22:20] need. Now one of the things I wanted to
share before we get into the the
[22:25] questions a lot of a lot of questions
have come up of why is it 8020 why if I
[22:30] don't live on a canal do I have to pay
the 20%. Well, I already talked about
[22:34] the bol load reduction. We talked about
the seaggrass mitigation area which is
[22:38] going to benefit everybody by enhancing
our already pristine environment. But at
[22:43] the same time, if we have major
rainfalls and we have something called
[22:46] runoff, if those runoffs hit any of the
drains, like the drains across here,
[22:51] which is just north of uh Bayront Park,
um we have some a series of drains here
[22:57] that exit out underneath these canals,
underneath these boats in this canal
[23:02] section. So if what's what's really
interesting about it and you can even go
[23:09] north of there or south of there, you
get into Country Club Shores and it's a
[23:13] great example of where a lot of a lot of
these actually do drain into like
[23:21] there's there's a covert right here. It
actually drains into this canal. All
[23:26] right. So if if anything in here happens
to get, you know, through a rain event,
[23:31] comes down uh Gulf of Mexico Drive where
this is actually, you know, from one of
[23:37] the resorts in onto the street and makes
its way into that into that covert. It's
[23:43] going to make its way into those canals.
And those are all the way up and down.
[23:47] There's another one here. Um
I you can't tell because of the
[23:52] construction on here, but they they're
they they do exist, especially in in
[23:57] this segment.
What what I found to be interesting
[24:00] because I actually did a little bit more
in-depth research on this. All of these
[24:06] um
all of these golf course ponds are
[24:12] interconnecting.
And so if any runoff happens in this
[24:16] area and it gets into these cuz the
drains from these roads actually bury
[24:20] you know go out into uh for the most
part into these uh uh these ponds. But
[24:27] this whole all this pond system is
interconnected and it eventually makes
[24:31] its way down to here. If you see this
that's called a wear structure that
[24:35] separates salt water from fresh water.
So the obviously the the golf courses
[24:39] want to use this fresh water to irrigate
this. But if it if there's enough runoff
[24:43] or you have a bigger storm event, then
you're going to have this water coming
[24:48] over this wear structure where it feeds
two to three pipes that come right out
[24:52] here into canal 58 or something like
that 55.
[24:58] Same thing happens even over in this
location like all these interconnecting
[25:02] ponds actually make their way into this
wear structure and then this rare
[25:07] structure actually feeds pipe that drain
into here. I'm sorry actually on this
[25:12] side they cross the road here and drain
into this canal which is the you know
[25:16] very north end of country club shores in
the very south end of Bay Isles.
[25:22] So I wanted that was one of the and
that's just a question that has come up
[25:25] before like why why the 20 why the 20
and our our consultants actually looked
[25:29] at all that data and they said this
makes sense and I think this this is
[25:32] this is what we want to work with and
and and and because it's also fair and
[25:38] familiar with the beach program that we
currently have um you know it it was it
[25:44] seemed to be the way to go. So in here
we'll go back one. silver.
[25:52] So in here there's also we also we also
house a lot of the frequently asked
[25:56] questions. So as we get questions and
they're repetitive questions, we try to
[26:00] capture those and capture the answer and
put them in here on both this site and
[26:04] the town's website. And there's other
programmatic information in here uh as
[26:10] well. So again, a very robust website
trying to share information and right
[26:15] now we're in data collection mode so
that way we can come back to the
[26:18] commission in April and present what the
outcomes of all these these these
[26:23] outreach meetings are are are we were
able to capture. So at this time I'm
[26:28] going to open it up to questions and I'm
going to keep these open so if you have
[26:31] a question I can wait. There's a mic's
coming your way so that way people
[26:35] online can hear.
[26:39] Um just a quick question. Um so no state
or federal funds were available to us or
[26:45] we didn't qualify for anything?
>> No. Even even in my past practices I you
[26:51] know there's there's no grants outside
of FEMA reimbursement for damage that
[26:55] I've ever been able to find. Um, you
know, there there are some that may be
[27:00] on the east coast that they're using
where they have major bile load issues
[27:04] that might they might be able to qualify
for, but we don't because we don't have
[27:08] a maintenance program. We've we haven't
been able to demonstrate that we've been
[27:12] maintaining these as infrastructure.
[27:21] » Well, thank you for all this
information. Uh, very helpful. My
[27:25] question is when you uh explain how the
funding was going to be uh broken down
[27:33] between categories, I think you use the
term nondirect access.
[27:39] » Is that a correct term because it's not
really it it sounds like you're using
[27:44] that because that's what you use for the
beach reourishment, but it's really non
[27:48] access.
>> Yeah. Well, that see because because if
[27:52] it's a it's an assessment because if
it's an assessment, it has to show a
[27:55] direct benefit. So that's why direct
access and nondirect access. So if you
[28:00] don't have direct access, then you're
only paying the millillage because
[28:05] you're showing a direct benefit, you
have that's why I'm using that term.
[28:09] That's the only reason why I'm using
that term is because the assessment is
[28:12] linked to a direct benefit.
I hope that answers
[28:26] Hi. Um, thanks for the opportunity. Um,
so I've been a resident owner here for
[28:32] 22 years. Um, I think I'm very
supportive of the program. Uh, I think
[28:39] you need a government action here
because you'll have hold out residents
[28:43] that won't want to pay dredging in front
and it's piggybacking on others efforts.
[28:49] You just need an overall approach. If
we're doing this at all, the only way
[28:53] you can do it is by government. I also
like the fact you're recycling a lot of
[28:57] the waste, so it's pretty efficient
relative to hauling,
[29:00] » right? Uh so those are those are really
positive things but I do quibble on the
[29:05] allocation because I don't think it's
equitable. I think the uh analogies well
[29:11] I'll first start with you alluded to it
there was a question about the labeling
[29:15] in by using a non nondirect label it
seems to me as a plain reading to imply
[29:22] there's some indirect benefit and I
quibble with actually whether there is
[29:27] to the extent we're talking about the
residential no outlet canals
[29:32] um as I look at the canals and your
picture shows it quite well uh there's a
[29:37] lot of canals that are 20 to 25 ft wide.
>> They all have docks on them or lifts.
[29:43] Narrows the the navigable gap by up to a
third and maybe even more than a third.
[29:50] If you took a small rental boat because
I don't have a boat
[29:54] » and I don't get a direct benefit. I'm
not on a canal, but I I could park a
[29:59] boat and anchor it in the front of that
canal and because they're so narrow, no
[30:04] one could get in or out. That's how
narrow they are. a lot of them and
[30:08] because they're no outlet, they're not
truly navigable for anyone that's not
[30:12] living on that particular canal. So from
my sensibilities, I think the you call
[30:18] the other canals access canals. They do
broadly benefit navigation.
[30:24] There's some ancillary benefits probably
to everyone.
[30:28] » I have no qualms with an allocation
about those. But where I could never
[30:33] personally put a boat on your canal,
it's hard for me to see why I'm paying
[30:38] for it because it looks a lot to me like
a private driveway for boats and as such
[30:44] I I don't pay for my neighbors driveway
or to reseal it. I think you're bringing
[30:49] up a great point. However, the town does
pave the roads, you know. So, like if I
[30:55] was to come in here with a dredge, we
would dredge the center line of the
[30:58] canal to what the permitted width was,
where we could, like you're saying,
[31:01] there is there are restrictions with
docks and whatnot, that do restrict
[31:05] navigability,
>> but from their from that center line of
[31:09] that canal to their dock, that's their
driveway, right?
[31:13] » Their dock or their boat lift is their
garage. And so, while I I will put this
[31:17] out there and thank you for for your
comment. I really do appreciate and I'll
[31:20] let you I'm not actually finished but
I'll let you go.
[31:22] » No, no, no. I just wanted to like say on
that point on that point on that point
[31:26] alone what we would do at the time when
we have a a contractor in there we would
[31:30] reach out to any of the residents that
are in the area that the contractor was
[31:34] there and say hey while they're here
there's a benefit for you where you
[31:38] could come under a separate contract
with that contractor in order to do some
[31:43] docside dredging for much reduced cost.
But go ahead, sir. So I I I have a hard
[31:48] time seeing much of a strong benefit on
these narrow no outlet canals. I think
[31:55] if you're talking about marketability,
you know, our general property values
[32:00] without question, if we don't dredge
these still dredge these canals, those
[32:05] properties values will drop because
they're much lower usefulness the more
[32:09] they fill in. I doubt people that are on
the beach in a condo have a market
[32:14] impact at all because when you buy a
condo on the beach, you're not saying,
[32:18] "Oh, by golly, I could take a rented
boat and try to go in one of these
[32:21] canals." You that's not why you buy that
condo, right?
[32:25] » So, I don't think there's there's a
strong correlation here. And by the way,
[32:30] let's look at this the dredging that's
occurring right now. The federal
[32:34] government's paying for the dredging of
the the new pass 100%.
[32:38] » Why? because it's a public access
navigable waterway. It provides a
[32:43] benefit broadly to everyone. Why are
they not paying for part of the
[32:47] residential canal dredging? It's because
it's private.
[32:50] » Yeah. And the Nicore doesn't do
residential dredging. However, they do
[32:54] dredge like the inter coastal waterway
which all of our canals do connect to.
[32:58] » And that's my point and that's why it's
appropriate for us to say there's a
[33:02] general benefit for access canals.
That's different than talking about the
[33:07] the residential canals that are no
outlet.
[33:10] » Yes, sir.
>> So, from my perspective, it's it's
[33:12] difficult to see this allocation. I
think the analogy to the brief to to the
[33:17] beach reourishment is misplaced because
under federal law and state law, the
[33:24] public owns the beach up to the high
water mark.
[33:27] » No, actually in our case, they own it up
until the erosion control line, which is
[33:32] much further landward. of even better.
>> So there's a huge swath of public land
[33:37] on our entire 14 mile island here,
>> right?
[33:42] » Everyone on the island, the farthest you
are away from a beach is probably six
[33:46] city blocks. In many cases, it's one.
It's not difficult to get across the
[33:51] street or to walk to the beach. Uh last
week, someone said we only have two
[33:56] access points to the beach. That's
completely incorrect. There's 12 and
[34:01] they're spaced by and this is by state
law. You have to give an easement to get
[34:05] access to that public beach. Therefore,
everyone on the island whether they
[34:10] utilize it or not has a b a a practical
and legal basis to use the beach. The
[34:16] people that are not on the canals did
not have a similar use of those canals.
[34:20] So to use the same allocation percentage
does not make sense to me. If you ask my
[34:25] honest opinion, it's either zero or some
dimminimous percentage for those that
[34:29] are not on canals. And we should be
paying for the access canals because
[34:34] those are more broadly navigable.
>> And and again, we're I'm not justifying
[34:39] anything. We're just here to collect
your opinions as well. And that way we
[34:42] can, you know, I think you actually
already sent an email as well, didn't
[34:46] you? You did. So
>> this
[34:49] » Exactly. And that's that's what we're
looking for. We're looking for if we can
[34:52] we can get if we can get the written
documentation. Again, that's why we we
[34:56] like to direct people to that where you
can click on it and then give us your
[35:00] your your comments and that that that
that is a benefit. But on the beach
[35:04] side, I will say this like we do our
beach projects for three reasons.
[35:09] Recreation is one. The other one is
habitat for both sea turtles and
[35:13] shorebirds. The third one which is more
of a direct benefit for those Gulf side
[35:17] properties is the Burm elevations which
is the storm surge protection.
[35:26] » Hi, I'm Terry Boss of Fairway Bay One. I
sent in an email uh on that. I was
[35:32] looking at some possible cost
reductions. Um, I authored a hurricane
[35:39] surge report after we had the hurricane
on the impacts we had and things that
[35:44] could be improved
in our area. We have a burm around our
[35:49] subdivision of the condos and we have a
low area there where we had a lot of the
[35:56] seawater coming over in the surge uh by
our tennis courts. And the thing I was
[36:03] trying to raise up is that we probably
could use some fill uh in that area to
[36:10] build up the burm to stop it from coming
over
[36:14] the parking lots and then getting into
the street and then flooding a lot of
[36:18] houses
>> and and that's a great point sir. So you
[36:20] know another thing of future use there's
a thing called benefits your use of
[36:24] dredge material and and that's something
that again we're looking to do for that
[36:28] seaggrass mitigation. That's that's our
primary focus right now because we have
[36:32] to build it per permit. But outside of
that, when we start getting into
[36:35] maintenance, especially when you're
dredging from the upland canals, the
[36:39] upland canals don't have the same kind
of rules and regulations a little bit
[36:44] than the ones the access channels and
the peritive channels because that's the
[36:48] stuff out there is state lands. And so
the state requires that that material be
[36:53] used for the benefit or you of the
general public or you actually pay a
[36:58] severance fee. Um but when you're
dredging an upland channel, we're going
[37:02] to be looking for spots where we might
be able to disp you know deposit some
[37:07] material in a beneficial means. And so
you know something like that would be a
[37:11] cost benefit to everybody.
>> Yeah. So, it was on 33B
[37:16] stations 51 through 53 is the area
that's low right next to the channel and
[37:23] uh seems like an easy place to put it.
The only question I had was how long
[37:27] does it take the salt to kind of filter
out of the fill material?
[37:31] » Typically, it depends too on your rains.
Okay? you know, once you stack that
[37:36] material um in in past practices, it
could take a year, you know, before the
[37:41] rain s the rains and and everything
else, make it percolate the salt down,
[37:46] you know, where you can not be burning
grass and stuff. In other cases though,
[37:51] if it's good good sand like we were
finding in these and they percolate a
[37:55] lot quicker, that that that time can can
go down a lot more. However, you know,
[38:00] anytime you you're pulling material from
an a saline or coin vi environment, it
[38:05] takes a while for it to actually compact
enough. So, if you ever wanted to build
[38:08] like some type of structure on there,
you might you might be waiting for
[38:12] compaction a little bit longer.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[38:15] » You're welcome. Ma'am,
[38:19] » I just want to make sure I understand
the assessment.
[38:23] The
So, are you saying that the fees are
[38:27] going to be based on the property's
assessment? So, for instance, if there's
[38:32] two houses on the same canal, one's a
million dollar, one's $2 million, the $2
[38:38] million house will get double the amount
of the assessment than the $1 million.
[38:43] » Double the amount of the millage, which
is the tax. The assessment's a flat fee.
[38:48] So, yes. And then let's go back into
that. So, we'll just again not picking
[38:53] on anybody, just picking on this. We'll
we'll use an example. Um, in here we
[38:59] have a $1 million property and it has
one equivalent benefit unit.
[39:05] Um, and then so you can see that the
total fee for for the first five years
[39:10] would be 6.89. Typically, if you go to
the end where the property is a little
[39:14] bit bigger,
um you see a $3 million and you can see
[39:19] that the for the first five years, it's
at $830
[39:23] assessment. And again, that's that's
because the millage rate is set real
[39:27] low. It's set at, you know, 0623.
Being that low of a millage, you know,
[39:33] on a taxable value property, you can it
breaks it down. It's $210 versus and
[39:38] then the 620. And we go back to, you
know, the other property and the Avalor
[39:44] was 69. So 210 versus 69.
[39:51] Kind of camping on to that point. A
couple last two points made. I'm in
[39:57] Emerald Harbor, 82 homes,
>> all on water. I don't think we're
[40:02] getting any dredging going on. Um, and
kind of camping on to what was said
[40:06] previously, there's I'm in favor of
this. I think it's a great idea. I think
[40:10] generally we all benefit, but it seems
like we need a more benefit-based
[40:16] approach.
If you're in a canal that's not getting
[40:19] dredged versus canal that's getting
dredged, there's a dramatic benefit
[40:23] differential. And I know there's the
future and potential, but that's where
[40:27] the maintenance comes in. So, it seems
like there's going to be a subset of
[40:31] canal owners that are going to get a
disproportionate benefit. those who get
[40:36] » initially potentially. Yes. But
>> it's initially yes. Not potentially.
[40:41] » All right.
>> Because if you have a canal that's, you
[40:44] know, not dredged and you have limited
passageway,
[40:48] you know, it it really will impact the
value of that property big time,
[40:52] especially for those who have larger
boats. They're non-starters,
[40:55] » right? And part of the program is to
monitor like the conditions of all the
[40:59] canals as we're moving forward. So, it's
not just to go out there and dredge
[41:03] these and then, you know, there's going
to be monitoring that's going to happen
[41:07] on a yearly by-early, you know, basis.
We're going out there and checking the
[41:11] conditions. We need to know that so we
can develop what's the showing rates
[41:15] where what what canals are showing in,
what access channels that Emerald Halmer
[41:19] might might actually use are are showing
in as well. So that way we can develop
[41:24] that that that program and eventually
actually reduce those maintenance costs
[41:29] because we're we're projecting the
maintenance costs to be half from the
[41:33] the original assessments. But if we can
reduce those even further through that
[41:37] maintenance and through that
observation, that's something we're
[41:40] going to be doing as part of the
program.
[41:47] Do you you clearly know which canals got
dredged back, you know, 20 plus years
[41:53] ago. Um, do you see certain canals
getting refilled more quickly than other
[42:01] canals or you haven't?
>> We don't know because we it's been 23
[42:06] years,
>> right? But
[42:08] » so
>> for Emerald Harbor, the canals don't
[42:11] need to be dredged and I don't know.
They either got dredged back 20 years
[42:16] ago, but they've maintained the fact
that now they don't need to be dredged,
[42:21] but there's plenty of other canals that
do. And so I guess are some canals more
[42:27] likely to constantly need to be dredged
than others. So then kind of to the
[42:33] point of some houses will need more
maintenance or some canals will need
[42:39] more maintenance just because of where
they are or some other
[42:43] » and again that's part of the program to
be able to develop that you know because
[42:46] right now when you haven't done work in
23 years it's hard to come up with those
[42:51] those factual figures. You know what I
mean? Because even in all the canals
[42:55] that were dredged probably in 2023
maybe some of them don't need to be
[42:59] dredged but some of them do. Uh that's
something that we would have to like
[43:03] look at.
>> I'm curious um to to that ends, how are
[43:07] y'all determining the depths of these
canals?
[43:10] » Previously, are you going off lower of
low tide or where you where you taking
[43:14] your measurements to?
>> It's it's mean low water. All all state
[43:16] permits and federal permits are based on
mean low water and they're based off of
[43:20] the how we're basing what is necessary
out there is off the boat surveys by
[43:25] which they done.
>> Okay. So they have done surveys separate
[43:28] from the geological surveys. I know
those are way off. I I I boat every day
[43:32] almost. I know the depths of these
waters and they're not anything what
[43:36] charts are showing. They're going to be
very determinant of what's actually on
[43:41] the ground. And I'm curious how you are
doing that
[43:42] » and that changes on a daily basis, you
know. So, you know that because it's
[43:46] just, you know, it's it's a very influx
environment that that these canals have
[43:50] to live in.
>> And then are y'all doing so all your
[43:53] green areas including condos, commercial
owners, I would assume, also were being
[43:57] assessed.
>> Yep. commercial owners are being
[43:59] assessed as well on the north end. We
have you know were these updated the
[44:05] Marvis. So we have like these dock
structures will be counted as one one
[44:11] unit per you know so if they have like
seven eight slips they'll they'll have
[44:17] you know seven assessments plus their
millillage that they would be paying.
[44:22] Same thing with cannons. Same thing with
uh the boat house you know so on and so
[44:27] forth. And do you have that broken down
by how many green properties you have
[44:30] and how many direct access properties
you have on the website showing that
[44:34] those numbers?
>> Um, I'm not sure if the if the if the
[44:37] access and direct access are are listed
on here. Something we can definitely
[44:41] add, but I think Tara might have that. I
don't think that specific that specific
[44:45] statistic try that three times fast is
listed on the website but just memory
[44:50] serves it's about 6040 40% direct access
60% not islandwide roughly.
[45:02] » Thank you. I was wondering if you could
uh discuss the project that's going on
[45:07] in New Pass and those of us who live
there and are impacted by this 247. It's
[45:13] very difficult.
Are we going to be assessed? Those of us
[45:17] who live on New Pass, how is that going
to work? No, there's if you if you live
[45:23] on New Pass, there are if you look there
are there are some uh docks that exist,
[45:30] you know, up in here and then and
around. And then some of these are
[45:35] considered outside of the CCCL. We have
to adjust this map. um which would
[45:40] require you like you know if you're
outside the CCCL which is the coastal
[45:45] construction control line you would
require another layer of permitting
[45:49] which would put you into what's called a
joint coastal permitting process. So
[45:53] those might not be those might be exempt
from being able to have a dock but if
[45:57] you if you do have a dock then yes you
would be assessed in within I'm I'm I'm
[46:03] pretty sure you you probably live out in
this stretch. Yes, we right on the
[46:08] corner in S's point.
>> Okay.
[46:10] » Some of us have
>> that's you're one of the properties.
[46:12] You're one of the properties that is see
what the CCCL this this map needs to be
[46:17] adjusted.
>> Okay.
[46:18] » Yeah.
>> Um and do you could you tell us how long
[46:21] this project will go on in New Pass?
>> The new pass again that's a federal
[46:25] project that's that's in in coalition
with the West Coast Inland Navigation
[46:29] District and the city of Sarasota. Uh
they're dredging that that channel right
[46:35] now. They've already dredged what that
what's called and I'm just going off of
[46:40] memory, okay? So, bear with me, but they
they dredge cuts two and three. And now
[46:47] they're out here uh hitting cuts one and
two. As soon as they're done with those
[46:51] two, they'll do a final sweep in here,
come through, and they're going to
[46:55] dredge a couple of the cuts going this
way.
[46:58] Um, I can send you or we can uh I could
find the link for the Army Corps project
[47:04] because it's not a town project and I
can let you know, but they have like
[47:08] timelines. They have updates. Uh, they
even have the contacts with the city of
[47:12] Sarasota that if you have any other
additional information that you want to
[47:15] provide them or or ask them, I can I can
get you that information.
[47:19] » Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
[47:20] » Charlie, we at First Line do have some
very periphery involvement with that
[47:24] project, so I may have just a little bit
of extra intel. Um, uh, I can tell you
[47:29] that that project has a must complete
date established as April 30th, which
[47:34] coincides with the start of sea turtle
nest season on Leo K. Uh, from just the
[47:40] little bit I know about the project, um,
I think the latest schedule I've heard
[47:44] is midappril is the latest schedule I've
heard.
[47:49] » Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that. Are
there any other questions? There's one
[47:53] back there. We'll just wait for
[48:00] Not to be funny here, but you have
measured the water levels 23 years ago
[48:04] and now,
>> right? The canal water levels.
[48:08] » No. So what what we're basing it off of
of 23 years ago there was there was
[48:12] baometric surveys that were done to get
the permits in order to get the
[48:16] contractors out there to do the dredging
and then there was asbuilt surveys that
[48:20] that went along with it to make sure
that those they were dredged to the
[48:24] depth and the width and everything that
they were supposed to. And then what we
[48:27] did was over just over a year ago, maybe
closer to two now, is we went out there
[48:32] and just did a conditional survey
running up and down the canals with the
[48:36] same type of equipment that you would
use to do the bathometric survey for
[48:40] construction or for permitting just to
get a conditional
[48:44] » idea of what's out there.
>> I was thinking we would have water
[48:46] levels rising. I've been told we we
would for the last 15 years. Yeah, as a
[48:50] matter of fact, you're right because
they're about to set the the the title
[48:53] datim um that's coming down the line
this this year and I think in our area
[48:59] it's about a half a foot that they're
actually going to adjust that mean low
[49:02] water is going to go up a half a foot.
>> Okay.
[49:05] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[49:13] » She's getting her steps in people.
Thank you. Um, I have a question and a
[49:21] comment, but first I'd like to just
thank the township leadership and staff
[49:25] for getting this project moving. I I
think if we had a time machine, we
[49:29] wouldn't have waited. We'd go back and
not wait 23 years, and that makes the
[49:33] process probably a little more painful
from a funding standpoint, but it's
[49:37] terrific that it's happening. Um, my
question is related to permitting. You
[49:41] know, do you have permits in hand
approved? Are there pending permits?
[49:45] what do you anticipate the permit
process to look like in terms of any
[49:49] barriers or potential setbacks? And my
comment is I was really happy to hear
[49:54] you made a comment that the residents on
the water will be able to negotiate with
[49:59] the contractors. Um, I would encourage
you to highly publicize that because
[50:05] when this is done,
>> you know, there's people out there that
[50:09] come out and they kind of pump water to
clear lifts and docks and where does
[50:14] that fill go? It goes right back into
the channel. It does.
[50:17] » If we get the contractor to do it, it's
going to be hauled away and right
[50:20] seaggrass mitigation. So, that's a great
option and I just want to make sure
[50:24] everyone knows about it.
>> Yeah, we will. And and to into your
[50:28] first comments, we already have permits.
The permits that we have now are for
[50:32] those ones that weren't permitted for in
some cases back in 2023. In 2023, there
[50:40] was a big a big, you know, there was a
mass massive effort that that took
[50:44] place, a permit through three different
permits, all of, you know, the canals
[50:49] that they dredged back then. Um, so what
we would be doing is just applying for
[50:54] exemptions because where dredging has
happened in the past, you should be able
[50:58] to dredge again. And so we're going to
be applying for exemptions in those
[51:02] cases. And same thing with the Army
Corps and most of most of the time, you
[51:06] I don't know if SPGP still exists, but
it probably it does it because it it
[51:11] existed, then it didn't exist, and now
it exists again. But that allows the
[51:15] federal government or the state to act
on behalf of the federal government. So,
[51:18] if you can prove that it's maintenance
only, then the permitting takes, you
[51:23] know, it could take weeks or just
months, not years. And so, we're lining,
[51:28] we're going to line that up along with
the program. And so, with that, I mean,
[51:33] one of the other questions comes out,
hey, when can we start if if there's any
[51:37] way of starting sooner than later? And
what we've done, um, because that $3
[51:43] million, remember, I want to hit a bunch
of canals, not just the ones that are
[51:46] tied to the the existing permit, which
is only 14 15 canals. I want to hit a
[51:51] bunch more so I can start to affect
change for everybody so we can extend
[51:54] this program and reduce cost. So, we
actually asked because like I mentioned
[52:00] before,
this funny little waterway that goes on
[52:05] the opposite side of where it should be
um that we have to or I'm sorry, the
[52:09] funny little warway on this one that
goes opposite of where it should go. Uh
[52:14] we actually asked for an appropriations
uh through uh the Water Resource
[52:18] Development Act of 2026. So, it's brand
new, you know, just got published. And
[52:23] in it they're they said, "Hey, look, if
you have a mitigation project, you could
[52:26] potentially get funding for that." So
I'm like, "Hey, Army Corps, you created
[52:31] this back in 1880s and then you put it
over here, but you abandon that. What
[52:36] we're trying to do is fix the problem to
also booster the seaggrass beds that
[52:41] happen to be in one of your own national
estuaries." So, you know, we're we're
[52:45] we're working that we're working every
angle we can to actually even further
[52:49] reduce cost on this. Um, and so if we if
we're able to, you know, get that and
[52:54] that's successful,
you know, that's one thing. The other
[52:57] thing too is like, uh, it, you know, say
we weren't able to, is there a way that
[53:01] we could potentially take out a
short-term loan in order to jumpstart
[53:05] this because this was always developed
as a pay as you go program. So, we would
[53:09] have to collect money for at least the
first three years before we could start
[53:12] actually affecting change. That's, you
know, that's that's that's adding three
[53:16] years to 23 years, you know. So again,
we're as staff and as the commission and
[53:22] as our our management team because we
have our assistant town manager right
[53:25] back there. Go for anything that you can
and that's what we're doing in order to
[53:29] like try to reduce the cost and the
overall impact on the community
[53:33] » and no additional to go directly with
the contractor on clear.
[53:38] » No, the there's a contractor sitting
right back there. Raise your hand. Wave
[53:41] to everybody. Yes. So you got a couple
these guys know that like doside
[53:45] dredgings are covered underneath the the
same exemptions that I mentioned
[53:49] especially if you live in an upland
canal and also you know they just have
[53:53] to apply for the exemption the notice of
exemption and there's army corps
[53:57] nationwide permits that cover doside
dredging that along with that I don't
[54:01] know 14 or something like that
nationwide 14 um but those those two are
[54:07] the arms by which they do it but again
like you mentioned before advertising
[54:12] way in advance. So that way a a a marine
contractor if they if they were hired,
[54:17] they know I'm going to be coming over
here. Let me start the paperwork with
[54:20] them, get the contract going, and then,
you know, settle on on a a fee because
[54:25] typically it's by barge load, by bucket
load, by whatever. It's much reduced
[54:31] » that process that question has to be if
you're in a nonal.
[54:38] » Yes, you can. So the question was if
you're in a canal that you know you
[54:41] might need to have some doside dredging
but you're not in the ones that need
[54:44] immediate attention. Yes. If you're if
in geographically if you're in an area
[54:49] that they could go hit, they're going to
go hit. And I when I started that
[54:53] program in Charlotte County, we did it
the first couple of times in some pretty
[54:57] big major jobs where they were there for
like a year. These duding contractors, I
[55:02] got one or two per canal saying, "Yeah,
come do me. Come do me." the next year
[55:06] when there there it was like I was like
hey contractor you have to do the county
[55:10] job you can't just do the residential
dredging but it once word of mouth gets
[55:14] out people take advantage of it because
it is a massive savings if you think
[55:18] about you're not paying them to mobilize
to your site they're already there
[55:22] sir back there
>> yeah I got three points actually uh I'd
[55:26] like to thank you all as well definitely
uh the town for this um one thing uh was
[55:33] Helen taken into account as a result of
all the debris and everything that was
[55:37] washed into canals. And then secondly,
if you started today, could you
[55:42] guesstimate how long it would take to
complete every canal?
[55:45] » Yeah. Um, two great questions. First,
Helen, we tried, but because we have no
[55:51] we we don't we couldn't demonstrate
maintenance. We weren't able to get a we
[55:55] weren't able to get FEMA to come out and
dredge, but we were able to get them to
[56:00] come out and and and and try to like
remove as much debris. We were working
[56:04] with FDM, Florida Division of Emergency
Management, uh, a bunch of people, West
[56:09] Coast Inland Navigation District to
remove derelic vessels, our police, our
[56:14] the sheriff's department, all the way
down the line. Obviously suff, you know,
[56:18] there are onesie twoosies. We literally
two weeks ago, hey, there's a mattress
[56:22] in the canal. My guys went out and moved
it. You know what I mean? So, we're here
[56:26] to service you. Obviously, you know,
that exceptional service is our motto.
[56:30] Um, you know, obviously we don't have
the resources that some of these big
[56:34] agencies have, but we do the best we
can. Uh, what was the second question?
[56:38] Oh, if you're going to start now, how
long would it take? Again, if you look
[56:43] back at the 20 2003 dredge in lie of
being able to pl take that material out
[56:49] to that this bo this spoil site. So, if
you have a contractor, he's only
[56:53] handling it once. He's dredging it from
you and depositing it over there.
[56:57] However, the travel distance is a little
bit big. Back in 2003, they had to come
[57:02] up with what's called a DMMA, a dredge
management site, you know, basically is
[57:07] what it stands for. And there was two of
them and they were huge. And one of them
[57:12] actually blew out and there was a
consent order and blah blah blah. But
[57:16] they had to handle that material like
two to three times before it met its
[57:21] final destination.
Um, but that project was about a year
[57:26] long. To do the restoration, we're
probably looking at a year's worth of
[57:31] impact on the island.
>> Thank you.
[57:36] » I'm just guesstimating. Okay. I'm just
off of past
[57:40] show every canal and whether it's it
would be scheduled to be made. Again,
[57:45] even if it says it's a B right now, we
might need material out of that B in
[57:49] order to like make up that deficit, the
16,000 cubic yard deficit that I
[57:54] currently have to fill that seaggrass
mitigation area. So, we're going to be
[57:57] hitting wherever there is suitable
material to get to that that that magic
[58:02] number because if I start importing fill
in, I have to import it, let it sit on
[58:08] on a place, have a marine cartridge go
out there and grab it, put it on a
[58:11] barge, take it out there, and then
deposit it.
[58:14] You know, so there's the more you handle
material, the more it cost. And that's
[58:18] why like in our beach projects, we
average about 30,000 uh $30 a cubic yard
[58:23] when we do the big beach bills from
offshore sand sources. And you double
[58:27] that cost when you truck in material
because of the amount of handling.
[58:34] Are there any other questions?
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