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Okay, thanks everybody for coming tonight. It's great to have so many people in a council meeting. So I want to welcome everybody to the January 27th, 2026 county council regular session. So tonight's meeting is going to be an hybrid format. We'll have counselors, presenters, and public in person are on Zoom.

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Tennis Creatures page, excuse me, so you can use computers or other

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devices, particularly virtually. So we'll have public comment at the beginning of

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the meeting on items that are not on the agenda. We'll also have public comment

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for each item. Generally, we'll allow three minutes or comments, less otherwise

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directed, and we'll be pulling people on one item to see if people will have

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commenting a little bit later. So virtual commenters should have their name on Zoom so they can be

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properly addressed. And the goal is to complete the meeting by 10 o'clock and we'll be checking to see

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where we are at 9 o'clock to see if we can get that goal in mind. So with that run to item number one

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which is the opening and roll call. So I believe we have one counselor on wine so we'll have to do a

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roll call tonight.

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Councillor Hand.

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Councillor Ridey. Councillor Col, your Councillor

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Neil Clinton. Here. Councillor Rickard. Here. Councillor

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Haviman. Here. Councillor Haviman. Here. All present with Councillor Haviman online.

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It looks like the workers show up. Councillors are attending with one online. So with that,

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We're on to number two, which if you're willing and able, please join us in the pleasure of leaving.

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I would like to lead you to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God in the visible with liberty and justice for all.

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So the next item is the statement regarding the closed session. Is there a counselor that's able to make that statement?

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Councilor Cobb.

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Following statement should be included in the minutes.

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The matters discussed in the closed sessions of county council held on January 27th, 2026

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that began at 4 o'clock PM was limited only to the topic specified in the notice of the

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closed session and no action was taken on any matter in the closed session.

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We request that this statement be included in the meeting minutes.

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Thank you, Councillor Cobb.

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So no, our item number four, which is public comment.

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This is for items that are not on the agenda.

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I know we have a lot of people in the room

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imagining most of you have comments

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for things that are on the agenda later.

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So there's anybody that has comment for something

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not on the agenda, please come up

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and state your name and please let me cheer comments

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for three minutes.

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Good evening, council chair and the steam counselors.

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I sent you all a letter over the weekend and I'm just reading it tonight to make it part

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of the record and I'm changing it a little bit because I did get some responses so bear

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with me.

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I am for Los Alamos County to install street lights on diamond drive along the golf course.

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It is a very dangerous stretch of road.

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Instead of spending millions of dollars to reconfigure our children's baseball and soccer

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fields and install astral turf, which is I think is a bad idea.

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but at exorbitant cost this money would be much better spent on making our

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community safer. About 6.40 pm on January 15th I hit a deer. I'm the most

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careful driver I know and I always go through that stretch of road slowly

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watching for the deer. He was not there then he was two inches from my front

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left bumper. There was absolutely nothing I could do. I am lucky as it could have

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been so much worse. My airbags did not deploy I think I would have probably lost

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control of my vehicle had that happened. And I kept control, complete control of my vehicle.

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According to Officer Wise of the Los Alamos Police Department, someone had already pulled

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him off the road a couple minutes after I hit him and he was deceased. On Friday, I received an

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estimate from a shop in Santa Fe of over $4,800 for the repairs to my car and was told to expect

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that number to significantly increase. I will be without a car for two to four weeks once they

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start the repairs. Now I'm going to take a little break. Chairman Wright, you sent me a response

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to my email and I just want to comment on that. Thank you so much for doing that. And Council,

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County Manager also sent me a response to give me some additional information.

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I had asked in my email about data how many deer have been hit and you sent me some data about that

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From August of 2024 through November of 2025, there were 68 deer accidents in town.

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Now that's all over the county and it was kind of hard to tell on the data of how many were on each road.

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But on, I think that there is something we could do on Diamond Drive.

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Maybe there's other things we could do on the other places as well.

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But Diamond Drive was the one that I was most concerned about.

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guess that's up, and then I said, please let me know if you'd like to discuss this topic further.

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It does sound like you all have already talked about this in the past several times.

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I'm just hoping that it's still on your radar a little bit

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because this was just a really traumatic experience for me.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Ms. Linky.

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And we can't address items that aren't on the agenda directly.

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So can she can she to state her name is like you need to come back up. I was wondering if you'd state your name, but

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No, I don't think I did. I'm Leslie Linky and I live at 35 San Juan Street up on Bronco, Mason. Okay. Thanks for being here making that comment. Okay. Um, do we have anybody else?

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I have something not on the agenda. So Ms. Messing, can you check on line to see it?

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I can chair if you'd like to make public comment, please use the raise hand feature.

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Chair, I'm not seeing any hands raised.

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Okay, so I think we're on item number five, which is the approval of the agenda. Is there a councillor?

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Can make a motion regarding the agenda?

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Councillor Colle. I mean, we approve the agenda is presented. Second. Okay, so we have motion by

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Councillor Colle, seconded by Councillor Neill Clinton. Any discussion? Not seeing any? We'll have to do roll call.

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Councillor Harman.

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Yes. Councillor Rady. Yes. Councillor Neill Clinton. Yes.

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Councillor Hand. Yes. Motion passes, 7-0. Okay. Thank you. Let the record show the motion

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passes unanimously. Okay. So item number six is public comment for items on the consent agenda

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So there's a number of items, a consent agenda typically we don't get a lot

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coming on those items. So I'm not seeing anyone in the chambers. Check online to

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make sure we have any comment there.

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Chair, I'm not seeing any hands raised online.

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Okay, now entertain a motion if there's a councillor interested in making a motion on

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I move the council approve the items on the consent agenda as presented, and that the

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motions and the staff reports being included for the record.

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Second.

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Okay, so we have motion by councilor Nielklin, and second by Ms. Nerman, and the discussion

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cannot see any.

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Can you please call the roll?

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Councilor Harman.

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Councilor Harman. Councilor Harman.

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Councilor Harman. Councilor Neal

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Clinton. Yes. Motion passes, 70. Okay. Let the record show the motion passes unanimously.

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So now we're on to public hearings, so we have one public hearing tonight, so item 8A, item

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SRE 0669-26, Incorporated County of Los Alamos Resolution No. 26-03, Resolution

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Authorized in the county submit an application to the Department of Finance and

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registration, just paid in a local DVI grants and distribution program.

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Chair Reidy, Councillors, my name is Lauren Tomco.

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I am the new program coordinator for Los Alamos County.

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As part of this role, I also serve as a DWI program coordinator.

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We are requesting $40,531 from the Department of Finance and Administration through the LDI grant.

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This funding is primarily used for treatment for DWI offenders as well as prevention and outreach programs.

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This annual resolution has played a critical role in supporting law enforcement efforts by enabling DWI checkpoints,

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saturation patrols, and shoulder taps. These preventative measures help keep our roadways safe.

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Through DWI funding, we have also been able to offer free sober community events, present educational programs and driver's-ed classes,

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and bring the arrive alive toward Los Alamos County,

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which simulates the dangers of destructive driving,

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driving while under the influence of alcohol and marijuana.

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Additionally, we help fund senior appreciation night,

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providing our graduating seniors with safe, sober activities,

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keeping kids away from drugs and showing them

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that sober fun is possible.

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Our program maintains community presence

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by sharing information and resources at local events,

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such as our Summer Concert Series,

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science vest, and the JJB anniversary celebrations. All activities funded through DWI are required

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to be evidence-based or include data collected through surveys. We utilize electronic survey

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tools at our events and within our programs to help evaluate effectiveness and outcomes.

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This year we're also participating in the New Mexico Community Survey, an anonymous survey

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conducted from February to April. This survey collects data on substance abuse patterns

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and substance use patterns, allowing us to track trends statewide and more importantly, at the

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county level, to better assess the impact of our prevention efforts. Thank you so much for your

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time. I'm happy to answer any questions. Okay, so thank you, Ms. Namco. This council have any

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The technical or clarifying questions on the resolution.

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Councilor Kohl.

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I'm just curious, thank you for your presentation, by the way.

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How much did we receive last year?

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Chair, righty Councillor Hull, are you just as clarifying, asking for it through the grant

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or through the grant and distribution?

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Grant.

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The grant, I believe, was close to $32,000, just under $32,000.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, council. Go. Any other?

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Not seeing any hands raised.

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So now we'll see if there's any public comment on this item.

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Not seeing anyone in the chambers. Is there anyone online?

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Is this.

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I'll check.

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If you'd like to know about comment, please use the raising infection.

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Chair, I'm not seeing any hands raised.

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Okay. I guess we'll see if there's a council or interested in making motion.

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I mean that Council adopt Incorporated County of Los Alamos Resolution No. 26-03 resolution

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authorizing the county to submit an application to the Department of Finance and Administration

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local government division to participate in the local DWI grant and distribution program.

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As part of the LWDI application, I further move that Council approve the Council Chair

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to sign the MOU and statement of assurances.

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Okay, thank you. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Okay, so the motion by Councillor Cole,

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second by Councillor Herman.

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Do we have any discussion?

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Okay, I'll just thank you for all the efforts

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and appreciate all the information we got.

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It's great that we had a bunch of people here tonight

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to hear what you said to say about the local

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review of my program.

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Thank you.

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So in particular, please call it wrong.

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Councilor Herrmann? Yes. Councillor Neill Clinton? Yes. Councillor Ridey? Yes. Motion passes

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7-0. Okay, let the record show the motion passes unanimously. So now we're on to, I believe

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the item the lot people are here tonight for in person. Let's get to that item. So now we're on to

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9 which is business and 9a is item 20593-26 presentation and possible acceptance of the North

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Mesa Recreation Master Plan.

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Good evening Chair Roddy Council. So we're back again to talk about

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North Mesa Recreation Master Plan. We came to Council back on January the 13th and the plan was

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introduced to you all. And during that meeting, South-South-South West consultants provided a

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comprehensive presentation covering the master plan, the processes that we went through, community

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engagement and pretty much outlined that the community seems to be very supportive of the plan

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And I think if you look out behind me tonight, you'll see some of that support sitting behind us. So we're really glad to see them in here tonight. I just want to talk quickly about just the plan itself. So although we're bringing this to you, the plan is formally asking for the acceptance tonight. As we all know, there is no formal funding that is tied to this project at this time. The implementation of the plan will occur over time. And during the time and based on the priorities, we will see what event

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available funding is there as we go through our budgetary process each year.

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So that will really, all of that will hinge on what we have available as we go through

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our process to see what we can do in those phased areas as we talked about at the meeting

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a couple of weeks ago.

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So tonight we have back with us again.

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It's the same two that we're here.

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It's a Corinne Rogers and Bob Overdorfer, and they're going to chat with you a little

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bit about the plan and hope that we can get your acceptance on it.

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Thank you.

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All right. Good evening, counselors. Thank you for having us here again. Once again,

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we're really honored to be here in front of you all and in front of the community to present

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a culmination of nearly a year of planning, design, working with the community in the county

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to create the North Mesa Recreation Area Master Plan. Next.

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And so just a quick outline of tonight's

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presentation. We'll go through introduction, community engagement, how we got to the final

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concept design, cost and phasing, and questions.

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And so the North Mesa Recreation Area is an important recreational hub that sits at

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the intersection of schools, neighborhoods, and trail networks, and the North Mesa Master

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Plan works to build upon these community assets by improving these connections while also listening

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to community residents gaining hearing their feedback and building an area that serves

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a diverse diverse set of users as well as serves all ages next. And so I know we've done this

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multiple times but briefly going through community engagement we had over 250 people participate

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the pay in these sessions.

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We had two listening sessions last March,

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a community workshop in April

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in an open house and survey.

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These beginning listening sessions were to hear

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the goals and the needs of the community,

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what they envision in this space

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and also what they value in this space

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and taking those values forward in this process.

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We took those goals and needs,

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went into the community workshop

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where the community got together and designed

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their version of what they would like to see in the recreation area, and they

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worked together among different user groups and community groups to build

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something that represented all of them. And from there we came up with two

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designs that went into the open house and survey where residents could view the

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designs, vote on them, give us their feedback. And in this process we received

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over 190 responses that led to our final concept design.

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And I would also just like to note really quickly that this process has been going at the

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same time as three other plans that we have also been heading, the trails and open space

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management plan, the turf study, and then of course the picnic grounds master plan.

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And we have all been involved in these plans.

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We have been talking together.

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So this has really been a cohesive effort, and there's been communication.

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And next.

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All right, so we're going to go ahead into the final concept design,

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and I'm going to invite Bob up here to talk about what was culminated in these sessions.

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Good evening.

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My intent was that since we just presented this a couple weeks ago,

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that I wouldn't go through a point by point on this,

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but rather just kind of talk about the overall concept behind it.

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We did try and incorporate as many of the elements that people wanted to see in this area.

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So it covers the diverse batch of uses, and we also tried to balance between keeping

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open space that was out there that people are used to and providing the services that

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they would like to see in addition to that.

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And so, as Karen mentioned, one of the comments that came up after we presented last time was

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is the fact that there didn't seem

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to be any communication or tie together

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between the various plans that we're going on

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that have been presented recently.

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And so as Corinne mentioned,

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that we actually have been taking a lead

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on all three of those projects in addition to this one.

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And so as the same team we've been talking internally

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and so we are aware of what needs to happen

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between the spaces in as far as we can

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given that they are disparate spaces.

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But so yeah, that one and then also, I think there was a comment last week that someone thought this was a designated harbor safe harbor shelter in place area and we did check subsequently with the police or the fire department and we're told that there's not any kind of official designation like that that it's not a safety gathering area or anything.

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And even if it were, I mean, there's nothing out there now that would preclude people from gathering there.

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It's still mostly open space. It's just developed open space. And so at that point, that no one, the other last

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point was that we are aware that there have been subsequent comments coming in even after we presented last

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time for the working session. And as I mentioned earlier, we've tried to accommodate as many positions as we can

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that we were aware of on that, but there's nothing in this. This is a master plan. It's not,

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as Wendy said, there's not funding in place for it, and it's not set in stone literally. So,

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there's opportunity to change down the road if priorities or desires of the community change,

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and it would be implemented in phases.

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So, next slide.

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So on this one, the phasing priorities that we came up with based on, again, public feedback

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for the most part, the bike park and pump track skills area seemed to be the highest priority.

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And then in some combination of that because that is in an area where that's currently open space

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and that has a permanent walking path, we would also improve that walking path

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because it's been deteriorated, it's a small four-foot asphalt that's kind of crumbling in

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places and getting overgrown. So as part of the development of that, we would intend

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that the path get rehabilitated in the meantime, the whole west half of the park would remain

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as open space. Then in the second phase, we'd actually do improvements to that west side.

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To improve the habitats there, I know there have been a lot of comments about this being

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in a valuable open space and animal habitat and stuff,

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but frankly, it's all been bladed at some point

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from when it was female male.

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It's been re-vegetated a little bit,

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but it's basically still a flat open space,

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open land, not much new trees or cover,

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which are all things that most animal habitats

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are beneficial for that.

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So we're trying to improve that on the west side

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of the main loop road that goes through there

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by creating some water harvesting areas that would provide for pollinator gardens, things like that, and then some enhanced trees, a little bit of terrain to give us something other than just a flat that's out there now.

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Third phase would be the San volleyball and dog park improvements along the north side of the park and related pathways and driveways.

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The fourth phase would be dealing with the community gardens, expanding or improving what's

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out there.

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Fifth phase would be a multi-use pillion which covers, I think as we talked about last

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time, it gives a possibility for a wide range of uses and they're including cover basketball

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or rollerblading or actually events that it could be rented out for private events.

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And associated with that, there's also proposed a food trap plaza which could serve for events that are going on either there at their bike, at the pavilion or in the bike park.

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And then the last thing we listed there that we gave a cost estimate for was just ongoing elements that could be fit in whenever there's time it doesn't have didn't have necessarily a priority, including playgrounds and related amenities, overflow parking and things like that.

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Next. So, this is the phasing map that shows those in order. So, yellow is the highest priority

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at this point. Phase two, the orange on the west side. Phase three would be the dog park.

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It's kind of broken up a little bit, but the dog park in the north central and the overflow parking

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in volleyball and northeast. Phase four would be the community gardens existing in then possible

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expansion and then phase five would be the upper

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billion and the more built aspects of the plan as it's

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proposed. Next. So costs related to those as I mentioned

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last time we were looking at about 3.5 million for phase

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one which includes not just the bike park but all of the

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associated infrastructure improvements. A bike shed new

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parking, asphalt paving, pathways and things like that.

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So phase two would be the, the west side landscaping improvements, habitat improvements

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and then additional paths, and I think that concludes the rest room over there too.

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Phase three would be the sand volleyball at 1.3 million, I haven't been giving numbers

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but they're right there.

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So, sand volleyball and dog park improvements, phase four of the gardens is one of the better

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deals of it, not only 800,000, and then for the Pavilion and the Food Track Plaza, that's

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the big one at 4 million, and then another 1.3 million of miscellaneous improvements

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that could be done, grand total, which would be phased out over many years, I'm sure, would

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be 12.9 million based on current dollars and a 15% contingency for future increases.

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and I believe that is it. Yes. So at this point, we're open to questions or.

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Okay, does council have any technical or clarifying questions?

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Not seeing any questions from council looking online.

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I didn't want to ask one thing that I didn't

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last time, which is about the, so the CSD master plan also had done a survey of, you know,

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amenities. And so you didn't directly cite that. You did your own outreach, correct. But that

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even included the BMX track, which is no longer a project. So I was just curious about that you look

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look at the results of that and at all with regard to the humanities.

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I mean, we had reviewed it, but again, yeah, we did not rely on that because of the extensive public involvement part of this.

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Okay, so I think then we're ready for public comment.

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So before we have public comment, I think we have a lot of people in the room.

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So it's perfectly fine if everyone wants to make comment.

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If people want to raise their hand, let me know how many people want to make a public comment,

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because we've already gotten several emails, but please, if you want to make a public comment tonight,

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let us know. Just a few people want to comment, or just maybe 10, or so, looks like maybe,

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okay, 12 or so, maybe 12. Okay, well, yeah, please, well, let everyone have up to three minutes.

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If you've somebody's made a point that you agree with, you can just let us know that.

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But yeah, let's go with up to three minutes and just come up here and then we'll have time for people online too.

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So we have hands raised.

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Okay, so let's go ahead and do that and appreciate you coming.

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And just have to state your name and we'll get the timer going and thanks.

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Good evening, Greg Weiss, 186 P.A. Drilloup.

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Councillors, thank you for considering the North Mesa plant tonight.

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On behalf of the Los Alamos Tough Riders Mountain Biking Club, we have a lot of people in attendance

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tonight and we're very much in support of the plan for a bike park on North Mesa.

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So we hope for your support.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Mr. Louise.

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Okay.

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Anyone just maybe if you can come up and be lined up so we don't have a long time in between people it's out to

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So whoever wants to go next

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Hi there. I'm Warren Hurley

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967 sank. We caught up on North Mesa and

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Just wanted to let council to know I

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Right around the corner from where I live. I use that open space on a daily basis and I just wanted to voice my support for the plan and

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and especially the bike park, I'm very much in support of it, so thank you.

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My counselor's name is Grant Fox, I live at 70 Turquoise Street.

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I guess I want to say I was born and raised in Los Alamos and like most townies

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I left with the intention of never coming back to New Mexico and by the time it was time to have kids,

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my wife and I thought what is a better place to raise kids in Los Alamos so we came back in about

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2016. One of the great things about this place is access, access to the outdoors.

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All the access to all the sports outdoors, mountain biking is kind of our family's choice of sport out here. And so it's, it's just been very encouraging to see the way the county is building access to things for young kids, including mountain biking, the bike park and this development. So I just want to voice that my, you know, support for this effort. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fox.

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Hello. My name is Daniel Jackson and I live at 20 28 45th Street. I'm voicing my support for this plan, especially as regard to the

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the pavilion structure.

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Currently, when we play indoor volleyball,

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we routinely have between 30 and 40 people there.

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You imagine one court with six people per side

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that takes a long time to actually get your chance to play.

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So having a larger indoor space,

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that's not requiring the schools for us to be able

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to participate in would be very, very beneficial to us

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to be able to not only have our support,

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but have more people play.

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Thank you.

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Okay, thank you.

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Hello, Council.

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My name is Ashley Cannell.

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I live at Forest 7 Bryce in White Rock.

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And I just wanted to add my appreciation of this project of creating outdoor spaces for families in our community.

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And I also want to raise maybe, again, I play volleyball, I really appreciate it.

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It is difficult working through the school.

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And so we've had some conflict there, and I would like to raise like we would appreciate if we could have a county space to run county volleyball.

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and so part of that is I read the disposition of the Los Alamos School of

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Genastics article today and if we could possibly look into acquiring that

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building that sits on county land for an indoor space for a basketball roller

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derby volleyball other indoor sports that we could use during the winter so

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thank you. Hello,

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I'm Lauren Cooper.

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I'm at 28th

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for the pavilion, and I'm with Los Alamos Derby.

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Derby's not family, both the one you're born into

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and the one that you choose,

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and I'm gonna pass along this great inclusive sport

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for generations to enjoy and to share.

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Okay, thank you, Ms. Cooper.

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Hi, I'm Jordan Dugan.

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I actually live in Estinola, but I have been the head

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of training for Los Alamos Derby for a long time.

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I've been with the team for about nine years,

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And I'm really in support of this pavilion.

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We struggle with practice space, especially in the winter when we don't have the ice

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rink.

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We do not have a space large enough through schools that we can practice our sport.

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So this pavilion would be a great space, especially when we don't have the ice rink since that

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space is going to be, is primarily for hockey and with the shade structure, we're probably

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going to lose a couple of months in our season there at the ice rink. Los Alamos has been a part

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of this community for a long time and it would be really great for us to have a place to call our home

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and to be able to bring Derby to town, have things for people to do on Friday and Saturday nights and

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just bring this community, Derby community to Los Alamos so if we could really really get this

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civilian going. That'd be great. Okay thank you Mr. Good.

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I'm Michelle Carlson. I live

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at 2257 36th Street and I am a captain of Los Alamos Derby League and I also grew up here and

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we didn't have something like this and I grew up but we actually have a junior's league as well

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and we have people that drive up from Albuquerque and House for that junior's league because of how

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great this group really is and they want to play for our league. So not only the adult

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league with the juniors would be using this facility as well. So it would just be very important

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for them to have a space and if I had had something like that when I was growing up here it would have

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been truly wonderful. We have quite a few leagues in the state that we used to host when we were at

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that would also benefit from us having this space.

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And I just wanted to put on my support for the pavilion

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and how important it would be to have a space not just for the adult lead, but for the junior's leg as well.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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My name is Christa Sartreck.

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I am a law owner at the North Mesa Stables.

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And I compete with my horse in the sport of endurance riding.

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a competitive sport where we travel trails anywhere between 25 and 100 miles in a day,

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so I use the trails a lot. As a trail user and an equestrian, I'd like to bring to your attention

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some concerns about the North Mesa Recreation Master Plan and how I'd like to see the county address

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those issues. The addition of a bike park on North Mesa will likely increase horse bike interactions

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on the Coagay and surrounding trail systems.

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These interactions can be a source of fear and danger

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to horses and their riders.

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Well, most of the people that I've come across

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on the trails have been very courteous.

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I've also been placed in situations with bikes

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that have put myself and others in danger.

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And these have even led to falls and injuries.

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I believe these incidents are unintentional and preventable.

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These resulted from bikes going too fast around blind turns, not slowing down to pass and being

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unaware of their surroundings because of wearing earbuds or just focusing on the trail ahead of

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them. Unfortunately for us equestrians, we don't have many options for trails to ride in elsewhere

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in Los Alamos County. The county says that 70% of trails allow for equestrian use. But in practice,

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this would require us to load a horse into a trailer, drive to another trail head where we'd have to park on the side of a road, or in a parking lot that isn't meant for trucks and trailers.

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We would then have to unload our horse into the street, or into a parking lot, and then saddle them up again in the street, or in a parking lot, which is a dangerous situation for us to be in, and probably isn't even legal.

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So, if the county decides to proceed with this plan, given the lack of other trails that

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are horse accessible, and an increase in bikes on the trails that we are allowed to ride

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on, I'd like to see the county take steps to increase awareness, education, and therefore

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safety for all groups.

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This can come in the form of signage, reminding users of the mixed use nature of the trails,

436
00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:14,370
and proper trail etiquette.

437
00:37:14,830 --> 00:37:16,590
It can also come through education.

438
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:22,150
So I've been talking with some really lovely people in the TUF Riders Club about coordinating

439
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:28,970
a dual purpose clinic to teach bikers about how horses react to certain situations so

440
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:34,730
they can be better informed when they come across horses on the trail, and also to help

441
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:37,350
horses become more comfortable around bikes.

442
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:44,170
This has given me a lot of hope because I will admit I am scared to ride on the trails.

443
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:51,950
But I do, anyway, because like the bikers, I really love to ride on our beautiful trails.

444
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:57,550
So please, if you decide to move forward with this plan, please pick steps.

445
00:37:57,970 --> 00:38:00,370
Even sure everyone can enjoy the trails safely.

446
00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:01,330
Thank you.

447
00:38:01,930 --> 00:38:02,390
Thank you.

448
00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:11,190
Lisa Reader, 3217 Woodland, and I am now in your time zone.

449
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:13,410
I was not the last time I made comment for you guys.

450
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:17,110
The process, I will say again, was really great.

451
00:38:17,110 --> 00:38:25,050
The charats, the county meetings where everybody was there really did a lot to help people,

452
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:29,930
you know, the bikers and the equestrians in particular get together and come to some reasonably

453
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:36,770
good understandings. I have two personal issues with this and then one big one. I still would like

454
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:41,990
to see the bike park part on the west side and not disturb the area that the Girl Scouts put back

455
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:47,470
together after the Cerro Grande Fire, and then my really big concern is about the phasing,

456
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:51,710
and I did mention this the last time. We all feel there should be a bike park,

457
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:54,930
a bike skills park. There's no question in that it should be a high priority,

458
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:59,670
but I still believe that the first priority should be to relocate and mitigate the negative impacts

459
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:05,770
on the existing uses. So if you are going to put the bike park on the east side there,

460
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:11,810
before that a shovel is put in there, the trails and natural areas the walking paths should go

461
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:17,790
first, things that are already there should be mitigated and moved before a new amenity

462
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:24,850
goes in. Also, on the phase two, what was listed on phase two on page 60, those costs

463
00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:30,670
don't mention any non-paved pathways. They just mention paved sidewalks. So I wasn't

464
00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:36,570
sure exactly where the non-paved pathways are there. The bigger picture for me is managing

465
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:41,530
expectations. The projected cost for this entire project is 13 million and that's of course

466
00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:45,070
If it gets done quickly, otherwise, we know how costs skyrocket.

467
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:50,510
The projected cost for the North Mesa Artificial Turf Study in field realignment was $16 million,

468
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:53,850
and that was just the North Mesa not adding white rock onto that.

469
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:57,970
The North Mesa picnic area plan has yet to be determined.

470
00:39:58,590 --> 00:40:01,990
The cost for the Bio Canyon Trailhead redevelopment has not been determined.

471
00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:06,830
The Brewer Arena upgrade project is estimated at $3 million, and that's a task order, so

472
00:40:06,830 --> 00:40:10,010
we know that's going to be an up or down vote, I believe, at your next meeting.

473
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:14,890
So that's likely to go through and there's no master plan as yet for the equestrian park as a whole

474
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:22,150
So most members of the public would reasonably assume that should this plan pass tonight the shovels would be in the ground as soon as possible

475
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:28,930
so who decides and how will the money be allocated for all of these projects and how are they prioritized?

476
00:40:29,330 --> 00:40:33,750
So thank you. This was a heavy lift. You guys are marvelous.

477
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:44,800
Hello, all. I live in White Rock and my name is Stacey Buck, but on the track I go by Rainbow

478
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Rex and I am one of their captains. I have been a part of the Rilliter Bee for almost three years,

479
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,780
and I have found a family within that community. And while I love that family fiercely, I think as a whole,

480
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:02,480
we feel a little displaced, overlooked, and without a space to call our home. We are grateful for

481
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,960
the spaces that we've been able to skate, but they are not reliable or big enough for our needs.

482
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,840
The rank is too unreliable to host games, and we have it for less than half of the year.

483
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,400
The school gyms are significantly too small for even basic scrimmages, and we are consistently

484
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,680
canceling practices due to weather, holidays, and many other factors.

485
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,340
Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of the schools, and that hasn't always been the easiest.

486
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:33,940
I'm hoping some of you have had the chance to see us play Roller Derby, and if you have

487
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:40,180
you've seen, our strength, our passion, and the love that we have for the game.

488
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Los Almos is known for its sportsmanship and care of every person that is on that track,

489
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,020
leading us to being asked to bow with teams regularly every single year.

490
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,420
Unfortunately, this year there isn't a chance to see us in our hometown because we don't have a

491
00:41:55,420 --> 00:42:00,560
venue to host any games. There is something to be said about playing for the home advantage,

492
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,460
Not only do we know our space well, but we have our community and our loved ones to cheer us on.

493
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,940
Something that's going to be sorely missed this year. But not only does that home

494
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:17,240
game help our team, it helps the town. A single game can easily bring in more folks into the town,

495
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:23,940
but tournaments can bring in droves of people. That can help the economy of our tiny mountain town.

496
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,880
And as a small business owner in this town myself, I know how much that can mean.

497
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,360
restaurants, hotels, and shops will surely flourish with the amount of people that we

498
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,120
bring with tournaments.

499
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:40,160
There are two successful tournaments currently that are reoccurring every single year that

500
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,260
could eventually become home to Los Alamos with this new plan.

501
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:49,580
So please help Los Alamos Derby, as well as so many other great organizations that have come

502
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:55,100
here tonight to find a home where we can actually grow our teams, our friends, and our chosen families

503
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:56,640
and see all of them flourish.

504
00:42:57,140 --> 00:42:57,940
Thank you very much.

505
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:58,540
Thank you.

506
00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:08,190
My name is Brian Bonzer 1926 commuter is Nia

507
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:18,010
Moved to Los Alamos in 2012 take a job with the lab from Moab, Utah where my young daughter my older daughter had just been born six months prior

508
00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:23,650
Believe it or not. I hadn't been on a mountain bike the whole time that I lived in Moab

509
00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:27,990
It wasn't until I came to Los Alamos today. I bought a bike and started out on the trails

510
00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:32,930
And if you know Moab, Utah, you know that it's closely associated with non-miking

511
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:33,910
among other things.

512
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:38,470
So I was not the best biker when I started out down here.

513
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:42,050
I just kind of hit the trails with my knowledge from the 70s and 80s growing up

514
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:47,990
with scrap wood ramps and things I learned in the mean streets of Iowa growing up.

515
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:52,750
But anyway, so I wasn't the safest biker on these trails when I first got out there.

516
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:57,630
I've gotten better sense, but it's been from just hitting the trails and trying to learn as I go.

517
00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:04,850
I am here tonight with my younger daughter. Her name is Alicia. If you spend any time up at the

518
00:44:04,850 --> 00:44:09,370
ski hill, you might know her by her other helmet. The little girl with the pink helmet and the

519
00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:16,130
fluffy ears. So a lot of people, you wouldn't be alone. A lot of people have both at work out in

520
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:20,230
town have said, oh, I know your daughter. I know who she is. I've seen her from the lift. She's amazing.

521
00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:27,470
So not here to talk about snowboarding tonight, but that's what she loves to do in the winter

522
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:32,230
time in most of the year and that's our big family activity. It wasn't until maybe September

523
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:39,470
October that she joined the team, started mountain biking with us and that was due

524
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:46,730
to her classmate and his parents, Kyle and Tyran who help out with the tough types. I've

525
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:50,950
been amazed by the progression that she's made over just the past few months having other

526
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:56,750
kids around and good coaches and a safe place to go and learn this stuff and she's already

527
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:59,970
progressing just like with snowboarding to the point where I can't teach you.

528
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,540
No, hold out anymore. Snowboarding, we've been going over to Red River where they have a really good terrain park and the progress she's shown there by having a similar type of facility where she can just learn through a progression of jumps and obstacles, learning how to navigate through them, get over them, and gaining confidence and strength and ability. I think it would be amazing to have a similar facility right here in town that writers could learn, not only at a young age, but at an advanced age like myself.

529
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:33,540
Maybe just get some practice before we approach the trails and learn those skills, especially

530
00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:38,400
in a supportive environment, a controlled environment, and then we don't end up running into

531
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,640
westerns and other traffic without the ability to keep ourselves and it was around us safe.

532
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:50,640
So appreciate your time and please request whatever support we can get in getting a bike

533
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,440
park included in this plan.

534
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:52,880
Thank you.

535
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:53,900
Thank you.

536
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:12,260
My name is Bridger Dickman and I just wanted to say that I support the bike park.

537
00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:18,120
My name is Sally Dickman and I support the bike.

538
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:18,600
The

539
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,320
name is only Ashley and I'm just here to say that I'm here for the bike park.

540
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:41,920
Thanks, Holly.

541
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,100
And I'm Ashley Pryor.

542
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,120
I'm Omelie's mom and I also am here for the bike park.

543
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,560
And I'd like to say that I think it's just such a great amenity for the community.

544
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:59,360
all ages can use it and you don't need to be part of a team, although it'll

545
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,620
accommodate teams. You could just go on your own, you could be part of a team,

546
00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:07,720
you could go at any time. It's just fabulous that it accommodates all

547
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:13,360
abilities. Another thing that I was curious about the question is if the North

548
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,820
Mesa Recreation Master Plan includes consideration of the gymnasium that's

549
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:25,260
there, that facility is fabulous, not currently being utilized, and certainly ripe to be part

550
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:32,640
of a North Mesa Recreation Master Plan. And so I recommend that it be integrated into some of these

551
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,240
planning activities, and then also soliciting the community for what they would like to do,

552
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:46,720
because it is a community asset existing that is certainly under utilized, and was very valuable when

553
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,120
and it was in operation.

554
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:48,940
Thank you.

555
00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:49,600
Okay, thank you.

556
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,220
Hi,

557
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:01,890
my name's Phoebe Sanderbeck, Los Alamos resident.

558
00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:04,110
I am the president of the board of directors

559
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:05,490
for Los Alamos Derby.

560
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:09,330
As a league, our main problem has been

561
00:48:09,850 --> 00:48:11,510
finding space to practice and play.

562
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,870
So a space for us to do that on North Face

563
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:16,650
that would be monumental for our team

564
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:17,670
and for our community.

565
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:18,230
Thank you.

566
00:48:18,690 --> 00:48:18,990
Thank you.

567
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,380
My name is Drew Hall.

568
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,740
I am a Santa Fe resident.

569
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:34,120
and a transplant from New South Carolina.

570
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:41,540
Four years ago, I traveled over 1700 miles by myself for a job

571
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:45,540
and I had no one. I had no family.

572
00:48:46,060 --> 00:48:52,180
I had no friends. I had the support of thankfully the Internet.

573
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:59,120
But Los Alamos Derribes become my chosen family and my chosen community.

574
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,900
as such, I'd like to address the topic of community.

575
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:10,560
We have talked about the significant economic impact of the existing relatively community

576
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,980
in New Mexico and the community in the southwest at large.

577
00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:24,150
We've talked about, we could talk about the generational effects of recreational facilities

578
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:27,010
for Los Alamos residents present and future,

579
00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:31,910
but I want to talk about our sports teams,

580
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:37,990
our clubs, having safe space in Los Alamos to play. For organizations and

581
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:44,350
families to share and meet and share in space to meet and enjoy each other's

582
00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:50,590
company. For birthday parties, roller derby bouts, bike riding collectives,

583
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:55,730
sports, food truck vendors, to happen all year around for the Los Alamos

584
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:56,130
community.

585
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,880
Hello my name is Michelle and I live in White Rock. I've been skating

586
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,680
with a Los Alamos Derby for 11 years and now I am a mom of a junior skater, a cherry-bomb mom,

587
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:21,700
and I am here to support the pavilion. I just want to stress that roller derby is a full-year

588
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:26,260
sport. I know we've talked a lot about the ice rink and how important it is to us during the spring

589
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:32,340
summer and fall, but it is a full-year sport. The junior roller derby's competitive season follows

590
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:37,760
the school year. They start in August and they wrap up around late May early June. So that means

591
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Right now our incredible juniors are practicing and training for three separate tournaments before the end of the school year

592
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:51,040
They've got a lot of work to do and unfortunately we're in a very very small gym where they are unable to play at full capacity

593
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,440
And we can't really practice full roller derby play in the small space

594
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,080
um, so

595
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:05,960
Having a full-size practice space in the months that we are not able to use the ice rink is very important to both the adults and juniors

596
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,700
Thank you

597
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:07,660
Thank you.

598
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:18,830
Well, people, I'm Felipe, I'm a North Mesa resident and I'm in support of the whole process

599
00:51:18,830 --> 00:51:20,390
that you guys, the whole thing.

600
00:51:21,110 --> 00:51:27,970
The bike park, the trails, the gardens, the pavilion for the roller derby team.

601
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:35,510
My wife is a roller derby player and this place is just getting her extremely hyped up today.

602
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:37,370
She couldn't be here, so she's online right now.

603
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:44,470
So, I just want to make sure you guys understand, I know everybody's worried about, you know,

604
00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:50,210
safety of pedestrian safety, of the equestrian space for the garden, space for the bike.

605
00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:55,130
This is the last place that we have for open space, that we can do something good for the

606
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:55,530
community.

607
00:51:55,970 --> 00:52:02,550
I personally want to raise my kids in a place like that, that we can go outside, explore,

608
00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:08,330
but I don't feel comfortable taking a young child to all our trails in town.

609
00:52:08,330 --> 00:52:13,670
As most of you guys have been there, you understand that it's not as safe as a place

610
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:17,290
that is catered by the county that we can bring and it can support.

611
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:21,650
We can show our friends or family that don't live here in Los Alamos or New Mexico

612
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:27,130
for that matter. What we can achieve. So with that being said, I'm in completely

613
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:32,050
full support of the whole North Mesa master plan. Thank you so much.

614
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:33,030
Thank you.

615
00:52:34,270 --> 00:52:41,290
Not seeing anyone in the room, but we'll go to the room and see we have a couple people there, I think.

616
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:45,430
Yes, Stuart, we have about six, seven.

617
00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:46,410
Okay, it's growing.

618
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:48,450
Let me just start at the top.

619
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:55,890
Miss Stacy Myers, you should be allowed to unmute.

620
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:59,590
Please sit your full name and limit your comments to three minutes.

621
00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:07,870
Hi. Good evening. Are my being heard? Yes. Okay. Fantastic. Good evening. I'm Stacey Meyers,

622
00:53:08,370 --> 00:53:15,090
and I'm also a Los Alamos resident. I am currently one of the coaches for the Los Alamos Derby team,

623
00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:23,090
and I am the former Tournament Manager for the Rumble on the Rio Tournament that was held in 2023 and 2024,

624
00:53:23,090 --> 00:53:32,890
and I tend to specialize in working with most of our roller derby teams throughout the state to put on large cooperative events.

625
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:39,210
And my comment is in support of the whole complex, especially the pavilion.

626
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:50,970
Los Alamos County has the opportunity to capitalize on this amazing community we have not just in our county, but in the whole state.

627
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:57,670
When we initiated the Rumble on the Rio Tournament in 2023, it was housed in

628
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:04,510
Touse. Now it's down in Albuquerque and our first two years each year we brought

629
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:10,130
seven teams plus all of their support staff, all of their parents to the town of

630
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:15,590
Touse. Every single person had to get a hotel room or an Airbnb, eat out at all

631
00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:22,170
restaurants because we were all traveling. The same is going to be for Albuquerque. Our

632
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:27,750
team will be playing in Albuquerque in June at that tournament and we will be staying overnight.

633
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:35,650
So just imagine the economic impact this one pavilion can have, not just by bringing in roller

634
00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:40,870
derby as we've been talking about all evening, volleyball can have its clinics, basketball can have

635
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:47,330
clinics and then in addition Los Alamos is the one county in the state for roller derby that has

636
00:54:47,330 --> 00:54:54,910
the potential for year round winter sports or winter exercises. A couple of years ago we lost

637
00:54:54,910 --> 00:55:02,270
the use of the Pueblo Complex and we also lost or our county lost the what we call the fallen

638
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:10,110
love with roller derby event that event brought 50 people from outside the county to Pueblo Complex

639
00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:15,710
for an entire weekend's worth of Royal Derby clinics, learning how to practice and scrimmage

640
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:23,830
games. So by affording this very small community in Los Alamos, our little team, and our cherry

641
00:55:23,830 --> 00:55:31,430
bombs who are way awesome and so amazing, the opportunity for a year-round facility

642
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:37,590
we're actually going to capitalize on the fact that our state has four adult teams and

643
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:45,390
one junior's team. And we love as a state. We love coming to Los Alamos for this. So again,

644
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:50,910
I express my support and gratitude for the consideration of this pavilion. And I thank you for your time.

645
00:55:52,030 --> 00:55:53,070
Thank you.

646
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Eli Kael, you should be able to unmute please state your full name and limit your comments

647
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:13,040
to three minutes. Okay, I'm unmuted. My name is Eli Kael. I'm out of Albuquerque. I wanted to

648
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:19,960
express my support for the master plans specifically for the multi-use pavilion and making it a priority.

649
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:27,560
I am a part of the roller derby community. I have been a roller derby official for 13 years. I

650
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,180
am the officiating and safety head of elevated roller derby in Albuquerque and I have traveled as far

651
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:40,600
east as Daytona Beach and as far west as Shanghai, China to officiate roller derby. And currently I

652
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,420
I am leadership for San Diaz Spring Roll Junior Roller Derby Tournament, which some people

653
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:44,980
have mentioned.

654
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,960
And I am co-head for Rumble on the Rio Roller Derby Tournament, the adult Roller Derby

655
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,560
Tournament, which will be held in June.

656
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:54,440
That's Stacy just mentioned.

657
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:59,720
And it is being held in Albuquerque this year after being in Tows for two years.

658
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:04,820
However, unfortunately, the venue in Tows caught on fire, so we had to find a new place.

659
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:20,960
and finding an accessible place that allows roller skating inside, has bathrooms, has locker rooms, has electricity, has a roof that is 108 feet by 75 feet, has been a challenge in New Mexico.

660
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:28,920
So having a space like this would be amazing. We could move both of these tournaments to Los Alamos if this pavilion happens.

661
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,560
And based on previous years, they've mentioned that, you know, we've seen large groups.

662
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Based on previous years, we're expecting 500 to 800 people coming to Albuquerque for each

663
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:45,780
of these tournaments between our participants, our volunteers, our spectators from around

664
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:53,120
the U.S., including potentially Hawaii if they accept our invite.

665
00:57:54,060 --> 00:58:00,000
And I looked online real quick, found out that Los Alamos's population is about 13 and a half thousand.

666
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:06,280
So that means that we're increasing for the weekend, the town's population by about four to six percent.

667
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:14,220
And so we're talking about people staying in hotels for two to three nights, eating out, general tourism if they're making a weekend of it.

668
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:21,680
That's a significant financial benefit. And with this facility, we could also then start to take on a

669
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:28,940
the tournament format that's been successful in Colorado where we have mini one day tournaments,

670
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:35,220
which would then bring 200 to 400 people in for a day, meaning that they're staying

671
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:36,840
for at least one to two nights.

672
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:41,780
So yeah, I see this being amazing.

673
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,260
We love coming up to Los Alamos through the year to play and officiate.

674
00:58:48,260 --> 00:58:52,920
and I mean, as you can see through my level of travel, we're also pulling in

675
00:58:52,920 --> 00:59:01,160
people from all over the US and yeah. So thank you so much for listening to me

676
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,780
and that's it. Thank you. Thank you.

677
00:59:14,330 --> 00:59:16,650
Whitney, you should be able to unmute these

678
00:59:16,650 --> 00:59:21,150
state-of-the-full name and limit your comments to three minutes. Hi, Council. My name

679
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:25,590
is Brittany St. Jacques and I am a resident of Los Alamos. My daughter and I both

680
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:34,710
participate in roller derby here in Los Alamos. You've heard a lot about all the activities we do,

681
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:39,290
all the tournaments, we host the events we host, and I would like to reiterate those comments.

682
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:45,450
Los Alamos Derby and Cherry Bombs host games with teams from across the southwest. These are

683
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:50,470
beyond just the state of New Mexico. Our biggest event is the Rumble on the Rio roller derby tournament.

684
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:57,610
New Mexico's first ever roller derby tournament bringing hundreds of skaters, officials, and fans to the multi-day event.

685
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:59,970
It was created by members of Los Alamos.

686
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,100
We're almost Derby and Los Alamos cherry bombs. But we couldn't host it here at home. We currently lack the infrastructure to host these matches and tournaments in Los Alamos, and this facility will offer the roller derby community, community, a reliable and appropriately sized venue to resume hosting these events, giving an economic benefit to the county and boosting tourism. We appreciate your support of the North Mesa development. Thank you.

687
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,560
Elizabeth, you should be able to unmute. Please get your full name and

688
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,720
limit your comments to three minutes. Hello, my name is Elizabeth Jomek. My

689
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:49,940
Derby name is Mama Wolfe. I'm the board chair and parent of a skater for the

690
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:54,480
Cherry Bomb's Junior Roller Derby League, and I'm here in support of creating a

691
01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,380
covered practice space. Our program serves used in elementary from elementary

692
01:01:00,380 --> 01:01:08,120
entry through high school in the full contact sport or the Derby's full contact and requires

693
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,400
adequate space for safety. So our current indoor facilities are too small and the weather

694
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:19,980
limits outdoor practice space. So in April we have the spring roll which has been mentioned

695
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:26,600
we're hosting national junior teams from Philadelphia, California, Texas, and Washington state.

696
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,380
but the tournament is going to take place in Albuquerque to space limitations.

697
01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:35,580
Our team is also planning on traveling to Regionals in June,

698
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,120
so we will be playing in Denver in June.

699
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,500
And we would love to see more tournaments return to Los Alamos.

700
01:01:42,260 --> 01:01:44,860
So a covered space would support safe year round training

701
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:47,860
and allow Los Alamos to grow as a hub for youth sports and competition.

702
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,800
So thank you for your consideration.

703
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:51,700
Thank you.

704
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:01,820
Nate, you should be able to unmute.

705
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:03,480
state your full name in the

706
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,760
mirror comments to three minutes.

707
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:08,600
Hello, my name is Nathan Mayer.

708
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:10,940
I'm a proud top fighter.

709
01:02:11,380 --> 01:02:13,260
I work at the Pareto on the trail

710
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:15,160
crew, and I got to work with the

711
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,000
lovely Los Alamos Bike Park Working Group.

712
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,760
I just want to voice my support for

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01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,100
the North of Mesa Recreation Plan.

714
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,280
And especially the Bike Park.

715
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,740
It's been a wonderful process going

716
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:29,600
through this and one of the things

717
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,800
that we really learned is

718
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:33,600
how much we need this infrastructure

719
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,880
to support our growing bike and community.

720
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,940
We did a community engagement survey results,

721
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:44,240
and we showed that really 87% of people surveyed,

722
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,780
which over a wide demographic.

723
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,900
So, you know, a question is bikers,

724
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:53,140
golfers, other trail users,

725
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,480
support having some sort of bike park infrastructure,

726
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,560
and most of those people wanted on North Mesa.

727
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,740
So I think this is just a really wonderful

728
01:03:00,740 --> 01:03:06,880
an amazing opportunity to deliver for this large part of a community that doesn't have

729
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,980
any dedicated resources. So, thanks again and please vote yes in support of North Mesa Plan.

730
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:15,420
And that's all. Thank you.

731
01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:24,880
You should be able to unmute. Please state your full name and

732
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,480
limit your comments to three minutes. Thank you. My name is Anna Alves and I'm the Secretary

733
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,480
of the Board of Directors of Los Alamos Derby. I just want to voice my support for the Pavilion

734
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,880
as well. I'd like to just make a couple of points that I don't think anybody has made yet.

735
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:47,820
We know this is a big ask looking at the budget for this space but Los Alamos Derby really needs

736
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:52,780
a permanent home where we're not trying to squeeze in between primary users and where we have enough

737
01:03:52,780 --> 01:04:00,720
space to fully play our sport. I would like to ask that the building not be left until last. We were

738
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,920
one of the main user groups from the beginning of this project having representation that I believe

739
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:11,260
every meeting. We play a full contact sport as adults so some of us may not be

740
01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:15,380
playing in 10 to 20 years if this building takes that long we may not get to

741
01:04:15,380 --> 01:04:21,640
use it. And just I'd also like to emphasize that we're asking for a space that

742
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:27,660
has a skating floor of at least 75 feet by 108 feet and we need a permanent

743
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:33,280
indoor structure not sort of an indoor outdoor space as the name Pavilion might

744
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,640
Thank you so much for considering this and please keep us in mind.

745
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:39,120
Thank you.

746
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:47,790
You should be able to unmute.

747
01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:51,850
Please state your full name and I leave your comments to three minutes.

748
01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:53,810
Hi, my name is Carol Bronis.

749
01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:56,470
I'm on 1618, Camino Uva.

750
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:58,910
I have a horse over at the state.

751
01:04:58,910 --> 01:05:06,370
Well, two horses at the stables and I really appreciate Southwest efforts to make sure that this new plan does not impact the stables.

752
01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:07,790
So thank you for that.

753
01:05:07,790 --> 01:05:14,710
That couple of concerns, one is I wish that the bike park was on the west side.

754
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:19,230
That east area is used extensively by people that live in the area.

755
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:23,590
And walking in nature is not the same as walking around the bike park.

756
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:31,070
So the bike park is going to change the nature of that property for all of the people that

757
01:05:31,070 --> 01:05:32,110
currently walk there.

758
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:38,650
And then my second comment is about the the phasing of the whole project.

759
01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:46,770
First of all, I agree with Lisa Reader that existing facilities need to be taken care of first.

760
01:05:47,530 --> 01:05:52,710
Throughout the county, we have a lot of facilities that are in need of various things.

761
01:05:53,450 --> 01:06:02,090
And then secondly, I think we need to look at this in light, especially all of the people that are would like to have something suitable for this.

762
01:06:02,090 --> 01:06:03,530
the roller derby people.

763
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:07,110
Maybe that needs to be a pire on the priority list.

764
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:08,410
Thank you.

765
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:09,250
Thank you.

766
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:16,910
Hannah, you should be able to unmute.

767
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:20,370
Please say your full name and let your comments

768
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:21,170
to three minutes.

769
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:22,990
Hello, everybody.

770
01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:24,750
My name is Hannah Wilcox.

771
01:06:25,210 --> 01:06:29,370
I live in Polake, but I was in Y-Rock

772
01:06:29,370 --> 01:06:32,550
and Los Alamos for years before I moved to Polake.

773
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:35,690
I've been in New Mexico for about 10 years,

774
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:42,250
and about five years ago I joined the Roller Derby team and I know I can speak

775
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:50,110
for a lot of people on my team when I say that I didn't find my community until

776
01:06:50,110 --> 01:06:55,530
I joined Roller Derby and since I joined five years ago we've been bounced

777
01:06:55,530 --> 01:07:02,170
around to multiple places and we haven't had a stable practice space and I believe

778
01:07:02,170 --> 01:07:09,150
this impacts our team's stability because it's hard to plan your life around when you're

779
01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:12,810
going to go to practice when you don't know if there's going to be a practice.

780
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:21,210
So I would just like to say that I'm in support of having a space for our roller derby team

781
01:07:21,210 --> 01:07:24,810
to practice more permanently and to host games and such as well.

782
01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:26,070
Thank you so much.

783
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:27,650
Thank you.

784
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:37,160
Okay, I think we have no other comments, so we didn't get a couple questions and I think

785
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,300
it's good to try to get answers to these.

786
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:51,840
So one had to do with operational or just the conflicts between frustrations and likeers.

787
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:57,780
So that's not directly addressed in the plan, but that's something that is currently, I know

788
01:07:57,780 --> 01:08:05,060
And we have ongoing efforts and so can you maybe want us to come up and talk to that

789
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:07,180
a little bit since there was a came up a couple of times.

790
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,740
Sure, Chair Radi Council.

791
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:16,280
So I know there's definitely been conversations there in the community engagement meetings

792
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:21,160
that we had and trying to create, I think we heard one of the speakers tonight talk about

793
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,500
coming together to create programs and just understanding of what the question needs are

794
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:32,440
As you're biking on the trails, we have also talked about putting signage up and different

795
01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:33,700
things that we can do in the county.

796
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:38,500
But as we all know, signage is not always the best answer because a lot of people don't

797
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:39,140
read the signs.

798
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:44,620
And I can give you an example of North Mesa, which I think I've spoke about before, the signs

799
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:47,860
that we put up on the athletic fields to please pick up after your dogs.

800
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,920
They continue to be removed.

801
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:54,840
So much so that we finally stopped repurchasing and putting those signs up.

802
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,520
we find we don't know who's doing it but they're removing them and throwing them in the dumpster

803
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,740
and sometimes they would set them by the dumpster so we could put them back up. So I don't know

804
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:07,920
that signage is always the best answer. I think education which many people talked about tonight

805
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:14,520
probably would benefit us much more to be able to educate how the bike riders and also our

806
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:20,980
questions can work together to have safe experiences on the trail system. I also believe the bike park

807
01:09:20,980 --> 01:09:26,260
as we've heard tonight from many of our residents and even non-residents, having that bike park will

808
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:31,760
afford them an opportunity to be in a safe place to teach their children to ride as well as

809
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:37,120
older adults to learn how to ride and do things in a safe environment that they can't do on the

810
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,120
trails. So I think that's a great opportunity for them to be able to do those things in a safe

811
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,880
environment and Bob, do you have anything to add on that?

812
01:09:47,860 --> 01:09:53,720
I was just going to say I think that actually we were gratified to learn that during the

813
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,560
course of the workshops that we did and stuff like that, we heard from a lot of people

814
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:01,440
that that was really the first opportunity that they had to sit down with the opposing

815
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:07,520
quote unquote user groups or the conflicting user groups and actually try and develop a

816
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,080
a way to accommodate both of those and so I think that's a good first step in trying

817
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:18,560
to reach the issues that are there and as Wendy said, I think it's an educational program

818
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,200
which can start with the county but there are also a lot of the mountain biking groups

819
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:27,440
and whatnot have programs already in place that can be used and brought into play for that.

820
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:32,320
So I agree that it is an issue and I think that it's not something that's insolved for both.

821
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:38,380
Okay. And then another thing that came up was phasing. So a lot of comments about that.

822
01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:44,820
So the plan doesn't, there's no funding for any phase, but any phase could be done in

823
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:48,720
any order. I mean, there, even if it's whatever number phase it is, is that correct? Just

824
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,640
clear for that for the public. Chair Ridey, council, I guess. So just to touch on the budget

825
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:00,780
again. So these funds being requested, whether it be fiscal year 27, 28, 29, or whenever,

826
01:11:00,780 --> 01:11:06,480
Those funds would be requested through our regular budgetary process, and those funds

827
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:12,980
would be allocated by council and capital funding and or through some small cap programs.

828
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,320
But certainly the phasing is something that can be adjusted.

829
01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:22,500
So I think Bob hit on a little bit earlier as our community changes and our needs are brought

830
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:23,960
up during this process.

831
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,540
We can make those adjustments.

832
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,400
The master plan is something that can be adjusted throughout to make sure that we're hitting

833
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,060
what is most important to residents if we need to move something up and council agrees

834
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:38,080
on our community engagement meetings agree then I think it's certainly something we can

835
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,140
look at and then come back to council with what those funding needs would be and how we

836
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:43,160
hit those facing areas.

837
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:48,900
Okay and then I think this question I think I can answer was who decides I think it's

838
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:54,160
the people up here wherever sitting up here at the time decides so right now it's these

839
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,380
these people will be deciding coming in April.

840
01:11:57,780 --> 01:12:06,860
So I think we've got all the questions answered and so I think at this point, see if there's

841
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:10,020
a Councillor interested in making a motion.

842
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:11,740
Councillor Hanne.

843
01:12:16,740 --> 01:12:17,500
Thank you, Chair.

844
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:22,360
I move that Council accept the North Mesa Recreation Master Plan is presented.

845
01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:23,160
Second.

846
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:24,700
Okay.

847
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:33,060
motion by Councillor Hanna, seconded by Councillor Hanna, I believe. Okay, any discussion?

848
01:12:35,290 --> 01:12:35,530
It's called.

849
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:41,350
I just want to thank everybody for showing up tonight. This is probably the biggest audience

850
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:45,710
I've seen in a while. We really appreciate your comments and your interest in this, and

851
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:51,170
I also do appreciate the amount of work that went into trying to come up with one plan

852
01:12:51,170 --> 01:12:58,270
for a bunch of different types of uses. I think you guys did a good job trying to

853
01:12:59,590 --> 01:13:06,650
accommodate all of the comments and the desires of a pretty diverse community, so I appreciate it.

854
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:14,730
I think it's cool. Any other comments? No, I'll send one in one night. So yeah, thank you for coming.

855
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:20,730
I hope that you'll think about coming when we talk about budget because that's where

856
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:21,990
this actually gets funded.

857
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:27,050
I know I'm asking for maybe everyone to show up, but I really appreciate it if people

858
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:30,610
would think about sending us comments when it comes down to the budget.

859
01:13:30,710 --> 01:13:37,490
What you see, the budget gets published like the 30th of March online, and you can see what's

860
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:37,810
on there.

861
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There's a long document, but the capital projects is a subset of that, and this might be one

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of things that's highlighted in the summary. So I think with that we're ready for a vote.

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01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:58,150
Councillor Hermann. Yes. Councillor Hathiman. Yes.

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01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:03,570
Councillor Cole. Councillor Gregorne. Yes.

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Councillor Neill Clinton. Yes. Councillor Rady. Yes. And Councillor Hand. Yes. Motion passes.

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is 70.

867
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Thank you.

868
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:17,190
Okay.

869
01:14:17,470 --> 01:14:22,030
But the records show the motion passes namously and again, thank you for being here.

870
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There's no need today for the rest of the items unless you're actually going, but you're

871
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:26,890
welcome to.

872
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So while people are filing out, I think we can get ready for the next item, I think people

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will be able to hear me online.

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So 9B, item 20737-26, presentation and possible approval of high-intensity, activated crosswalk,

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POC, POC, signal on NM4.

876
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,280
May I raise the podium up while you're waiting?

877
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:15,840
Okay, I think you're probably okay now.

878
01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:23,420
Okay, good evening, Councillors. My name is Keith Wilson. I'm the deputy candidate, no

879
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:30,900
candidate. I promote myself there. You go public work director. So if you're just to

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01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:35,660
I'll give you a quick overview of the NM4 crossing, multi-use trail improvement project

881
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:42,700
and the Peanham School trail project, and then just with the ultimate action requesting

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01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:47,880
the approval of the hawk signal that we're proposing across NM4 next slide, Linda.

883
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,820
So this project dates back a few years when I was a project manager within the engineering

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01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:55,480
department.

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,880
Since my promotion, I've handed the bulk of the project off to John Strickland, who's

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:07,800
Something that's back there who's the engineering project manager and also here in the engineering

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division is Eric Ullibari.

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Next slide.

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So quick overview of what I'm going to rush through in a timely manner but in an understandable

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,200
manner, hopefully.

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01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:25,380
I'll give you a quick overview of the project history, then the project overview, the public

892
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:29,020
outreach that we've done over the last couple of years related to this project.

893
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,440
I'll get into some more detail about the whole signal and why we're placing it, where we're placing it,

894
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:41,660
and then part of the project is looking at doing a lane reduction and placing the trail in the roadways.

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01:16:41,660 --> 01:16:49,220
I'll discuss that. Finally, related to the project is just a couple of highlights of the project design.

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Then go to the recommendations and then the requested action next steps.

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And then questions and feedback at the end. Next slide, please.

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So as I said, this project kind of days back, kind of what instigated us getting to this

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01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:13,300
project was first the Middardor subdivision was approved in April of 2018. This is the

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parcel on the north side and M4 basically between the Sherwood and Parahito road into Lano.

901
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:31,100
That project at the time is 161 lots, about now, around about 80% of those lots are now

902
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:38,880
constructed. Subsequent to that in 2020, the mixed use development was approved at the

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,820
corner, basically down by the Sherwood intersection, and then also going on, around about that time

904
01:17:44,820 --> 01:17:49,520
was the downtown, or town center, White Rock, a massive planning process.

905
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:56,060
Throughout all of those processes, there was a continuous theme about how we could integrate

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01:17:56,060 --> 01:18:01,220
the metadata or subdivision and mixed use developments into the town site, meaning into

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01:18:01,220 --> 01:18:08,320
the White Rock downtown area, and with NM4 scene as kind of a barrier to easily doing that.

908
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:17,960
So, in 2020-2021, when you mess with DOT, put out a call for projects for federal alternative

909
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,680
transportation program funding, and so we thought this was an opportunity to see if we

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01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:29,720
could scope out a project if we could obtain that federal funding to try and help resolve

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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:35,520
the situation about trying to pull the Minardor subdivision into the White Rock community.

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So,

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we basically scoped out a project, we did, so basically the main focus of the project

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01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:46,060
was how do we cross NM4?

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01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:51,180
Initially, we did look at the feasibility of doing a grade separative crossing either through

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01:18:51,180 --> 01:18:57,660
a tunnel or a bridge structure on the south side of NM4 in that area.

917
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,540
It looks like a bridge structure would be an ideal fit because you've got a pretty high

918
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:09,780
embankment on one side but on the other side you don't so that relatively quickly fell out

919
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,720
one because there's a lot of basalt in that area there's a lot of significant utilities on

920
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:20,040
the south side placing a bridge would mean we'd have three or four hundred feet ramps required

921
01:19:20,780 --> 01:19:26,640
on the on the north side of N4 creating a big individual impact for those residents there

922
01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:31,980
a tunnel wouldn't it be feasible one the grades didn't work two of the utilities three again

923
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:38,840
the basalt, you'll hear a continuing theme about the basalt, and guess that's why white rocks

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:47,540
called white rock. So the ultimate scoping was looking at a great and that grade crossing

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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:55,360
of NM4, and typically a midblock crossing is much safer location than a intersection crossing

926
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for these types of facilities. In consultation with DOT staff, we identified potential

927
01:20:05,660 --> 01:20:09,780
enhanced crossing in that location, which could be what we are talking about tonight,

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,960
the hawk or pedestrian hybrid beacon or the rectangular rapid flashing beacon type

929
01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:21,000
things that you see over on the NM502 as you come into town. So, those were kind of hanging

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out there for to be worked out if we got the grant and also part of the project was looking at

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the section of NM4 through there which currently has two lanes in the westbound direction. So

932
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through some data collection we found that that section of the road wasn't being fully utilized

933
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:44,920
who are proposing trading the trail within the road section. So that was kind of the scope

934
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:50,060
we initially went off if you look at the diagram on the right kind of shows the in yellow the trail

935
01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:56,400
section. We also looked at adding some new trail within Pinyon Park and then reconstructing

936
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:03,520
existing trails within the park to make that connectivity into the downtown Y-Rock to the

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amenities within Pinyon Park and then connecting some of the existing

938
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neighborhoods in Sierra Vista and then also kind of the main crux of the project was and this is,

939
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you know trying to both of your projects so you make it attractive for DOT to

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slight was creating that connection to pinion school. There's about 40 student

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01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:32,200
pinion students who live in the mid-a-dore subdivision right now and they're

942
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:37,020
bust to pinion because there's currently isn't a safe way to get get to the

943
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school. I will add pinion has a really strong bike and pad culture there we

944
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and I think in May, over a hundred students

945
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,420
might then walk to school on bike and roll today's school.

946
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So it's got a really strong culture,

947
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so we're confident if we build this project,

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they will be utilized.

949
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So in September of 2021,

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we came to council and asked for a resolution

951
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of directing staff to apply for the grant.

952
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May of 2022, we were awarded the funding

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for the design and construction of the NM4 project, and there was a delay and when that funding

954
01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:28,700
became available, but the design process started in 2024. We hired BHI engineers to do the design

955
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work for us.

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Subsequent to that, in the time frame, the Penions Elementary School,

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started construction, they had finalized the designs, and they had, there was an existing tell

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along the western boundary of the school and the school department were willing to make that

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available for public access. So we were looking to add that section to the project. In 2025,

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we did start the design process. We had a subsequent call for projects. We were able to get

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construction funding for that project. And then we worked with the schools through coordinator with

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CSD who will ultimately maintain this trail system to get an amusement for that trail along the

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western side of the Opinion School. Next slide. Project overview. So I mentioned we got

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federal funding for both the Opinion and then four projects.

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And the elements of the project

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reconstruct the multi-use trail along the eastbound side, which is the southside

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Anem 4, which is existing, and then enhancement block crossing, lane reduction,

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01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:51,550
and place in the trail on the north side of Anem 4, reconstruction of trails

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within the Pinyon Park, and constructing a new trail along the western side of

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on Park basically by the Baptist Church to make that direct connection over to Peanham

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School. We did coordinate with the CSD on the Rocket Park renovation, so our project

972
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will tie in with theirs seamlessly and will have drainage improvements. And then, as

973
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I mentioned, reconstructing the trail that connects along the western side of Peanham

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Trail to provide a connection to Grand Canyon further expanding the connectivity of this

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01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:33,130
project. Next slide. So this is just a quick picture of some of the existing trail within

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01:24:33,130 --> 01:24:39,930
Pignon Park. I think they're about 30 years old. They're in pretty poor condition and

977
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we'll be upgrading these either with that. The initial project will be bidding a lot of this

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for asphalt, but we will be doing a bit all. So if we can afford it, we'd like to do them concrete.

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We are that bridge structure, that wooden bridge structures just to the south of the splash pad will be putting in a better crossing of that Royal and that location is part of the project.

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Next slide.

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So public outreach, our initial outreach began in December of 2024, whereas part of a keyboard transportation board meeting.

982
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:21,710
meeting. We have a public input meeting and presented our initial thoughts on the project.

983
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Meeting was well attended. It was down in White Rock at Fire Station 3. We received some

984
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:33,230
really great engagement from the public who showed up in both support and expressing concerns

985
01:25:33,230 --> 01:25:40,850
about the project. Maybe, through the keyboard, gave us some homework to go away and look

986
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:46,070
look at things again and come back, which I'll get into more in future slides.

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We did go to the parks and recreation board and do a presentation there because we're

988
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obviously impacting Pinyom Park.

989
01:25:52,900 --> 01:26:00,570
We came back in February 2025 and presented an update on the elements that were asked to

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01:26:00,570 --> 01:26:03,830
reevaluate and I'll get into that in the future slide.

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We did this part and back in March in 2025, the county had some open houses.

992
01:26:10,650 --> 01:26:13,390
The open to the public just highlighting all the projects.

993
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:15,370
We had a booth there for that project.

994
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:21,390
We did present to the arts and public places advisory board because part of the project,

995
01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:27,190
we have to move one of the prehistoric tribal plots which ultimately came to you guys for approval.

996
01:26:27,190 --> 01:26:38,010
We did meet with some of the residents of Cedar Vista neighborhood who wanted to discuss some of their concerns about the trail along the school in various things.

997
01:26:38,690 --> 01:26:47,290
That was a very productive meeting and then more recently we came back in November of 2025 to get an updated presentation to the keyboard.

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Next slide.

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So, focusing in on what were the bulk of the project and what we were talking about tonight.

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So, the initial piece I'm going to talk about is the section of New Mexico 4 between Sherwood,

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Boulevard and La Vista Drive. This is about a 1600-section roadway current speed limits,

1002
01:27:11,290 --> 01:27:18,510
45 mile an hour in this segment and what we were there's two lanes in the westbound direction

1003
01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:24,850
which is going from right to left on the screen and then one lane going in the eastbound

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01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:32,030
direction which goes up that direction. So this is kind of the area we're focusing in that the

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01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:40,930
proposed midlock crossing location for the hawk is about 550 feet east of La Vista just to the east

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01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:46,210
of the Baptist Church, and then on the north side of NM4U are looking to

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reallocate the road space feed up by doing the lane reduction for the trail. Next slide.

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So if you're unfamiliar with what the Hawk signal is, I'll just give you a brief overview.

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Hawk signals are also referred to as pedestrian hybrid beacons, but basically it's a pedestrian signal.

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it's why we're not doing a full traffic signal with location. They have much higher thresholds

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01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:21,890
for pedestrian volumes, pedestrian hybrid beacons or the hawk signal have much lower thresholds

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and this is also a federal highway proven safety kind of measure for this type of application.

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So basically it's a three-headed signal, two red balls signals and one amber. The signal remains dark

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01:28:37,190 --> 01:28:43,810
when it's not a news, when a pedestrian comes and pushes the button, the amber light or yellow light

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starts flashing and then goes to a solid yellow and then to two solid reds. During these times

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then don't walk is shown to the pedestrians and then once they get to the red signal then the

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pedestrian walk signal goes. When they get to the flashing don't walk then the two red lights can

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it Wigwag. What's called Wigwag? Kind of like a railroad crossing but not a railroad crossing.

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01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:15,850
We're at a traffic signal. Drivers are supposed to stop and then can proceed if there's no

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pedestrians at that point. And then it goes back to dark after the pedestrian phase is completed.

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Next slide. So at the original transportation board,

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And excuse me, public input meeting, there was a lot of requests for placing the crossing

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at La Vista Drive.

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01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:41,430
I'll take a step back.

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As part of the mixed use development for the Minerador, a traffic signal was required

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01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:56,830
at the Sherwood Boulevard intersection, but it can be installed until the mixed use development

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and generates the traffic that's needed to allow it to be.

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To be, to be, to be installed when we sculpt out the, this project, we sculpted it out assuming that traffic signal was going to be installed. So this project is complimentary to not in, in case of or instead of so just so you know, that's why we're, we're not focusing on that intersection. And so they asked us to look at could we put the pedestrian hybrid beacon at La Vista. And so if you want to jump to the next slide.

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So part of our evaluation of this, so this diagram basically is showing you a typical

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01:30:38,580 --> 01:30:44,180
four-legged intersection with stop controls in the north and south, like La Vista is,

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and it shows you all the potential conflict points for motor vehicles and for pedestrians.

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So from a more vehicle standpoint, you've got a total of 36 potential conflict points,

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some crossing, some merging, some diverging. But kind of what this illustrates is as a driver,

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all the different things you have to be looking at when you're making that turn from the side

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streets or even going through the intersection. And then, added to that, you've got to be looking

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for pedestrians. So there's a, if all four legs of the intersection are crossed by pedestrians,

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potential 24 conflict points with those pedestrians, and then as a pedestrian you've got

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01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:32,080
potential 24. So that's what this kind of just showing what what drivers and pedestrians

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have to deal with that in the intersection. Next slide. So this is, excuse me, just if we were to put

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the hawk signal at this inner section. The hawk does not cover the whole inner section,

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it just covers the lag that you're placing the crossing. So in this instance, drivers at

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the inner section would still have the 36 potential conflicts because they're still having to deal

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with all the conflicts, so they've got their brains and attention going everywhere.

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but across in one lag and then we've got six potential pedestrian vehicle conflict

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points in the hawk crossing. At this particular location we don't have

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the ability to create a median in the middle of the road where we can split up

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01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:31,840
the pedestrian crossing so for during when the lights are activated you'd have

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01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:36,220
to account for a full crossing of the full length of the roadway which would

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increased potential, the less the drivers, but it also increases the exposure time for pedestrians

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across the road, the amount of time that they could be in potential conflict with the turning

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vehicle. The other disadvantage of putting a hawk signal in the intersection is the side streets.

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La Vista wouldn't necessarily be able to see those signal heads and know when they're activated

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and to red, so a vehicle making a left turn from La Vista on the north or a right turn from La Vista

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on the south could be making those turns because they see traffic stop for the signal but not

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anticipating that pedestrians may be crossing at that time. In this location, the crossing distance

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would be about 67 feet. For my 88-stown point, we typically think about 3.5 feet per second

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for a pedestrian walking across the street, so that's about 19 seconds that would take a pedestrian

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to get from one side to the other, walking at its speed. Next slide. So then when we look at the

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crossing at the midblock location, it's a much more simplified location. Basically, there's no

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conflict points for vehicles. All they are looking at is the roadway in front of them and the crosswalk

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in the signal. The pedestrians, they only have that one conflict. They're dealing with one vehicle

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coming from one direction or multiple vehicles come from one direction because

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there's one lane, you know, if a vehicle stops, everyone else stops behind

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them. Also in this location we have a median and so we can split up the

1065
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:26,160
crossing so a pedestrian pushing the button is only crossing that 20 feet, minimal

1066
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,780
six-second exposure out in the roadway before they get to a median then they

1067
01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:37,440
push the button again, making a two phase crossing allows us to minimize the delays to vehicles

1068
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:43,800
as well. So when people are crossing the westbound direction, we don't have to stop traffic until

1069
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,940
they get to the median and push the button and when they're crossing the eastbound direction,

1070
01:34:48,180 --> 01:34:55,180
we can let the westbound traffic go. So it makes our far more efficient location

1071
01:34:56,700 --> 01:35:01,640
Not only for pedestrians and safer, but from a delays standpoint.

1072
01:35:02,420 --> 01:35:08,400
And when the signal eventually goes in at Sherwood, we can actually work on coordinate,

1073
01:35:08,540 --> 01:35:14,160
and I will signal so that we don't necessarily get to find where someone gets the green light at Sherwood,

1074
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:18,900
and then they're stopped at this crossing, if that's going to be an issue.

1075
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:20,780
So we can coordinate those things.

1076
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:21,640
Next slide.

1077
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:31,180
So, in evaluating these two locations, one of the things that we kind of also looked

1078
01:35:31,180 --> 01:35:36,800
at was about two-thirds of the Midrador subdivision, the housing in there, has relatively easy

1079
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,200
access to the La Vista Drive intersection.

1080
01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:46,900
And then the major destinations are Pinyon Park, Downtown White Rock, and Pinyon School.

1081
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:54,040
So the general flows and most flows are going to go to that kind of southeast direction

1082
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,760
or northwest direction back and forward.

1083
01:35:58,060 --> 01:36:03,620
When looking at the NM4 La Vista intersection, the pro is, if we put the crossing at La

1084
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:06,460
Vista, then it makes it convenient for all destinations.

1085
01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:13,160
So if someone wants to go to La Vista or north and south or to the west on the trail, then

1086
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:14,400
it's convenient location.

1087
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:23,000
But then that comes a potential cons of increased pedestrian exposure to potential conflicts with vehicles.

1088
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:29,140
It's a complex decision-making location for not just the drivers but also the pedestrians.

1089
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:37,220
More conflicts make it less safe and then longer delays for more vehicles.

1090
01:36:37,220 --> 01:36:44,120
At the midlock crossing, the pros are, you know, we minimise the pedestrian exposure.

1091
01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:48,380
The conflicts with vehicles is simplified decision-making for all users.

1092
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:56,400
Less conflict means safer, shorter delays, and then it is a convenient route for the majority

1093
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,300
of destinations.

1094
01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:01,120
It's gone as it's less convenient for all destinations.

1095
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:07,000
So our recommendation was to continue forward with the mid-block location.

1096
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:08,860
Next slide.

1097
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,620
The other piece we were asked to evaluate or re-evaluate was,

1098
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,720
do we really need to do the lane reduction?

1099
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:23,860
Can we not put the trail in the big area off the site of NM4?

1100
01:37:25,580 --> 01:37:29,120
So basically what this diagram is trying to show is,

1101
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:36,000
what does NM4 look not just in this area, but to the wider, so starting on the, on the right

1102
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:41,180
this screen, you know, from the truck route to downtown, basically to Sherwood Boulevard.

1103
01:37:41,180 --> 01:37:49,440
It's one lane in each direction NM4 is. It then widens in the westbound lane, westbound

1104
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:57,540
side only to two lanes at Sherwood to Parahito, and then it goes back to two lanes in each other direction.

1105
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:04,140
Essentially, from what I've been told, the two lanes basically N and 4 used to be four lanes

1106
01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:12,260
all through town. 20 years ago or less, it was reconstructed. The two lanes was just kind of left

1107
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:21,740
from Sherwood to the west and so there was real no. Necessarily, a reason for why it was maintained as

1108
01:38:21,740 --> 01:38:29,060
two lanes. Next slide. So this is just a quick diagram showing that the existing

1109
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:33,020
configuration, as I say, on the right side of the screen you've got a driving lane,

1110
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:38,020
then the bike lane, then there's a buffer, and then the existing trail. On the left

1111
01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:41,480
hand side you've got the two westbound lanes, and then a bike lane, and then

1112
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:44,540
basically the white swath. Next slide.

1113
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,940
So what we did was on a couple of occasions

1114
01:38:49,940 --> 01:38:57,680
So prior to doing the initial grind submittal and then as part of this project, once we got into the design phase,

1115
01:38:57,860 --> 01:39:03,740
we placed traffic counters one in each lane, so one in the right, lane one in the left.

1116
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:09,620
And essentially what it confirmed was that the roadways have essentially been driven as a single lane.

1117
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:17,940
During the morning peak period, which is predominantly when the bulk of the traffic travels on NM4 in this location

1118
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:27,200
between 95% or 98% of that traffic is traveling in that rightmost lane. As you go through the

1119
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:32,740
rest of the day, it's kind of like a 50-50, but the traffic volumes are minimal and it's probably

1120
01:39:32,740 --> 01:39:41,660
more driven by are they making a left turn, a levista, or continuing through towards Bandalier.

1121
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:47,160
there. So that's essentially what this has shown. The light blue line is the left lane

1122
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:52,200
westbound, dark blue line is the right lane and then the dotted red is the kind of the

1123
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,520
total volume. Next slide. I think this is a video one Linda.

1124
01:39:58,930 --> 01:40:01,890
So it's part of a re-evaluation.

1125
01:40:02,430 --> 01:40:06,910
One of the suggestions that keyboard was could we do an experimentation? I block off one

1126
01:40:06,910 --> 01:40:12,790
and lanes and see what happened. Happens and we said, well, based on the traffic and data,

1127
01:40:13,010 --> 01:40:16,550
we don't really need to do that because we know what happens because it happens every day

1128
01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:23,270
without blocking off one of the lanes. So, we've set up a video camera for the day

1129
01:40:24,290 --> 01:40:32,490
and this is just a real quick representation of what happens during that morning peak time.

1130
01:40:33,310 --> 01:40:38,610
In this instance, we've got a slow moving bus, you know, if people were in a rush or

1131
01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:41,570
nearly two, they could overtake it, but we don't see that.

1132
01:40:41,970 --> 01:40:46,470
We just see the traffic all staying in that right most lane.

1133
01:40:46,990 --> 01:40:51,930
And why is this because the bulk of that traffic is taking a right into the lab property.

1134
01:40:54,610 --> 01:41:00,990
So that's basically, you know, a quick representation just so you can see what the traffic and data

1135
01:41:00,990 --> 01:41:05,650
we collected was basically showing here, I think that's enough in the

1136
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,300
next slide, can we get back

1137
01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:16,700
to it?

1138
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:25,580
So our piece of looking at the lane reduction was could we put the trail in the buffer area

1139
01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:33,960
off the north side of NM4? And technically we could. There's a lot of utilities and some very

1140
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:40,600
significant utilities in that area, but there is kind of a corridor where there's minimal utility

1141
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:48,080
complex. We couldn't place the trail right next to the curb because that's where the bulk of the

1142
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:54,880
drainage from NM4 runs down. So to change that would take some significant infrastructure.

1143
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,900
What we would, if we did put it there, we would have to do a bunch of grading, some cuts,

1144
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:06,360
what's term cuts and fill, so where we have to cut into the ground and where we have to fill

1145
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:12,580
areas to make that section of trail 88 compliant, and particularly where if we were tying into that

1146
01:42:12,580 --> 01:42:18,420
mid-blocked location we'd have to do some additional cut and fill. As I mentioned back in the

1147
01:42:18,420 --> 01:42:27,600
beginning, Basalt rears its head quite a few times through this, and so if all those in White Rock are

1148
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:34,440
up here who have seen what's going on at the Middardor parcel,

1149
01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:38,760
Pinoan school, when we did drainage work, put in a new drain in Sherwood,

1150
01:42:39,740 --> 01:42:43,460
we encounter a basalt, we've also done cores in these areas

1151
01:42:43,460 --> 01:42:47,060
and we find out the basalt and a lot of this area is very shallow,

1152
01:42:47,300 --> 01:42:52,200
it's very close to the surface. So we don't, we really want to try and avoid

1153
01:42:53,060 --> 01:42:56,820
and that can come at an unknown and it's very hard and very expensive

1154
01:42:56,820 --> 01:42:58,440
to excavate.

1155
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:06,100
And then we also did a quick cost calculation and creating that new trail

1156
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:12,660
on that location was about five times more expensive than re-utilising the existing roadway.

1157
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:20,840
So we did look at it in some detail, and that was the conclusion next slide.

1158
01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:29,840
So, looking at the summary of what I just talked about, so, doing the westbound lane reduction

1159
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:35,360
allows the trail to utilize the roadway, reducing constructions costs.

1160
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:38,480
As I mentioned, the speed limit right now is 45.

1161
01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:44,240
The speed data we got, depending on the time of day is mid-40 mile an hour, pretty good.

1162
01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:50,320
compliance of peak times when traffic volume is low, we see some spike into that.

1163
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,360
With this lane reduction, DOT is support of us reducing the speed limit and that segment

1164
01:43:56,360 --> 01:44:03,900
to 35 mile an hour and improves the safety at the mid-block location, because instead of

1165
01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:07,480
having two lanes, we're only be having one lane.

1166
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:13,960
and one of the big questions was, you know, are our public safety folks on board with this?

1167
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:19,000
We did reach out to the police department and also the fire marshal in two separate

1168
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:25,340
occasions and they expressed no concerns with their proposed lane reduction and the cross

1169
01:44:25,340 --> 01:44:26,940
section that we're putting in with that.

1170
01:44:28,220 --> 01:44:33,480
The only one real con with the lane reduction is potentially if there's a slow moving truck

1171
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:36,300
climbing up that hill, you may get stuck behind it.

1172
01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:44,340
There really isn't a lot of truck traffic, all the truck traffic going into the lab has to go up the truck route because they have to go through the security.

1173
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:54,900
Being out there, occasionally there's concrete trucks, there's really nothing west of Patraheeta Road for this going to generate a lot of truck traffic.

1174
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:59,980
So, that's not a major concern and then we're

1175
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,220
We looked at a northside trail in the buffer area. The pro is, you know, you create a nice trail that's buffered from the roadway, but it is five times more cost and then there's some cost construction unknowns related to the basalt. So recommendation was to continue with the Westbound lane reduction and placing the trail within the NNM4 roadway. Next slide. So this is kind of the proposed cross-section.

1176
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:38,320
focusing on that westbound lane. So basically it would match what's on the on the opposite side

1177
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:45,300
with the exception of will be placing you want to do the next slide. We're in that red circle

1178
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:55,040
placing a small curb to separate the trail from the roadway. But and we do create some

1179
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:00,700
off a buffer from vehicle traffic there'll be about 11-foot distance between the travel lane and

1180
01:46:00,700 --> 01:46:10,340
that trail and so that's kind of what's shown there next slide and this is so we'll be placing

1181
01:46:10,340 --> 01:46:21,380
an 18-inch by 18-inch curb in that kind of buffer area to separate the the vehicle lanes from the

1182
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:28,660
trail. This has been used quite extensively in a lot of bike lanes, separate bike lanes

1183
01:46:28,660 --> 01:46:37,420
for the nation, so it's got a pretty good track track. Next slide. And then just quickly

1184
01:46:37,940 --> 01:46:43,580
discuss in some of the design elements. So on the bottom left kind of shows you the cross

1185
01:46:43,580 --> 01:46:49,100
section with the hawk signal. We will replace in the mast arms for the hawk signal within

1186
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:54,420
the median and then we have push button on either side of the road so as I mentioned before it's kind

1187
01:46:54,420 --> 01:47:00,840
of a two stage crossing and then on the right. One of the things that we tried to work through but

1188
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:06,900
the existing trail alignment with that big mound and then a steep grade down. There was no way

1189
01:47:06,900 --> 01:47:13,900
for us to make that ADA compliant. Current grades are about 11% on that section without blasting out

1190
01:47:13,900 --> 01:47:19,440
that that hill there was no way to make it but we were able to find a pathway so

1191
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:25,460
basically the diagram and the bottom right there's a retaining wall around

1192
01:47:25,460 --> 01:47:28,760
that section based on the bottom of the hill we were able to put the trail

1193
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:35,600
through that section. There'll be a railing on top of that wall and this is what

1194
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:41,860
necessity is requesting to move the pier historic pot which we find a nice

1195
01:47:41,860 --> 01:47:51,880
location at the intersection of the trail by the hawk signal and then next slide just a quick slide

1196
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:57,920
on the opinion on school trail. So there is an existing asphalt trails in a worst condition in

1197
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:05,480
the opinion park trails. Schools already implemented a fence along that side so it designates the area

1198
01:48:06,140 --> 01:48:11,360
and right now it doesn't connect to Grand Canyon but we will be making that connection to Grand Canyon.

1199
01:48:12,900 --> 01:48:14,060
Next slide.

1200
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:23,380
So the recommendations that we made were supported by the Transportation Board of February

1201
01:48:23,380 --> 01:48:31,700
6, 2020, the five meeting, they made a recommendation to proceed with the plans as the design as

1202
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:38,900
presented and also supported moving forward on the auxiliary trail, what was called the

1203
01:48:38,900 --> 01:48:41,680
in the trail to Pinion Park along Pinion School.

1204
01:48:42,340 --> 01:48:44,400
They also further recommended that staff

1205
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,680
continues to re-ovaluate the traffic signal

1206
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:51,780
with Sherwood and NM4, which we did more recently

1207
01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:52,920
after the November meeting.

1208
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:56,740
We went out and collected some updated traffic and data

1209
01:48:56,740 --> 01:48:59,460
at La Vista and Sherwood Boulevard.

1210
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,840
We ran those numbers through the traffic signal warrants

1211
01:49:03,540 --> 01:49:07,120
and found that they still did not meet warrants

1212
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:15,040
based on existing conditions. We also looked at pedestrian volumes because one resident had raised

1213
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:20,520
the issue about potentially school kids crossing Sherwood to get to the Atomic Transit service to

1214
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:28,240
get to school. That data was not supported by the video counts that we conducted and also review

1215
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:36,700
of the Atomic Transit ridership numbers plus the schools provide bussing from Middard to the middle

1216
01:49:36,700 --> 01:49:44,580
school and high school through school busing. So we couldn't make that argument to make it warranted

1217
01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:52,420
from a school crossing standpoint. So our request tonight is within section 38-191 of the

1218
01:49:52,420 --> 01:50:01,000
the county code any installation of a new traffic signal needs a county council approval. So that's

1219
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:06,160
what the primary reason we're here tonight is to ask for your approval to place the hawk signal

1220
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:12,580
at the mid-block crossing across the NM4, next slide.

1221
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:20,200
Because we're working within the DOT's right-of-way, whenever with these types of projects,

1222
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:25,720
they want to enter into a maintenance agreement with the county, which basically clarifies

1223
01:50:26,940 --> 01:50:31,060
who's going to maintain what pieces of infrastructure traffic signals.

1224
01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:35,980
There's always an agreement for the county to take over maintenance of the traffic signals

1225
01:50:35,980 --> 01:50:43,140
or street lighting, and in this case, we will probably be asked to maintain that curbing

1226
01:50:43,140 --> 01:50:48,680
that we are putting in and anything of the trails on either side. We have not yet seen

1227
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:53,460
the final language of that. Maintenance and disagreement, we are waiting for DOT to give it, so we will

1228
01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:58,300
be coming back to council at a future date once we have had an opportunity to review that.

1229
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:02,640
Maintenance and agreement, asking for your approval, that that means agreement, so if that

1230
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,460
That's going to occur in February.

1231
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:14,800
We've got one more step with DOT for them to review the final design plans.

1232
01:51:14,940 --> 01:51:20,480
Make sure everything's in order to get our bunch of certifications, environmental and things

1233
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:21,040
like that.

1234
01:51:21,980 --> 01:51:26,260
So we should be taking care of that next two to three weeks following that.

1235
01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:30,220
The funding for construction gets obligated and then we can advertise.

1236
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,000
We're hoping to get both projects.

1237
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:39,340
We're going to combine them into one and advertise them March, so we should be back here a

1238
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:45,460
promade time frame, hopefully to ask Council to award a contract. If that all goes to plan,

1239
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:52,880
run it by June, we expect construction to start, depending on who the contractor is, how they want

1240
01:51:52,880 --> 01:52:00,060
to phase it. It could go relatively quickly or it could take about a year. So probably next spring,

1241
01:52:00,060 --> 01:52:09,360
summer time frame 2027 would be when the project would be completed. Next slide. Yes, there's a

1242
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:16,820
question. Sure. So hopefully I didn't take too long or overwhelm you with information, but I'm

1243
01:52:16,820 --> 01:52:23,180
here to take any questions you may have. Okay, thank you, Mr. Wilson, for the detail presentation,

1244
01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:26,900
and we have the Council on Equalment.

1245
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:29,240
I actually have a comment.

1246
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:33,160
Thank you, Deputy Martinez and Deputy,

1247
01:52:33,420 --> 01:52:37,140
I'm sorry, Director Martinez and Deputy Wilson.

1248
01:52:38,650 --> 01:52:40,820
I appreciate the thoroughness.

1249
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:46,700
I also appreciate your looking at the myriad of variables

1250
01:52:48,230 --> 01:52:52,200
so that we can say that this was a comprehensive report.

1251
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:53,440
So, thank you for that.

1252
01:52:55,390 --> 01:52:57,410
Thank you, Council Newglin. Any,

1253
01:53:00,850 --> 01:53:01,090
Councilor?

1254
01:53:01,550 --> 01:53:06,250
Thank you, Chair. Thank you for the very detailed report.

1255
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:15,570
Question about the Maridor mixed use and that light. Do you have any idea when they're going to start building that mixed use area there?

1256
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:18,270
And then the subsequent light after that?

1257
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:24,990
So we did reach out to the developer this week to get an update.

1258
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:31,750
They are working on a new finance package, I guess, the way the economy went, their

1259
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:37,070
financing didn't work out, and then construction costs kind of went through the roof.

1260
01:53:37,390 --> 01:53:42,570
So what they indicated to us is working on a new finance package, and if all goes well,

1261
01:53:42,670 --> 01:53:45,750
they're expecting potentially, and then next year, they could be starting construction.

1262
01:53:47,590 --> 01:53:48,230
Thank you.

1263
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:49,470
Okay.

1264
01:53:49,570 --> 01:53:50,210
Thank you, Councillor Armin.

1265
01:53:51,630 --> 01:53:52,210
That's cool.

1266
01:53:52,210 --> 01:54:01,510
Well, a couple of questions and maybe I maybe mentioned this but is the hop temporary when the Sherwood light is installed?

1267
01:54:02,170 --> 01:54:03,970
No, it's permanent. Yes.

1268
01:54:04,350 --> 01:54:18,870
Okay. There was also a concern I believe that was raised previously by someone in the public about the backup of traffic if we install one or two lights and blocking the fire station entrance potentially.

1269
01:54:19,930 --> 01:54:21,430
Was that looked at at all?

1270
01:54:22,090 --> 01:54:29,230
I think the concern was if women reduced from two lanes to one in the westbound direction,

1271
01:54:29,710 --> 01:54:33,850
it could impact fire response from that fire station.

1272
01:54:34,270 --> 01:54:38,830
As I said, we reached out to the fire marshal, who is the person in the fire department

1273
01:54:38,830 --> 01:54:44,350
who reviews all these things to ensure that they are not going to impede their access and

1274
01:54:44,350 --> 01:54:49,210
responses and their vehicles, and they had no concerns about this.

1275
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:54,410
Generally, the backups occur in the eastbound direction in the mornings.

1276
01:54:54,770 --> 01:55:01,750
The traffic's pretty refloy, unless something happens at the entrance to the labs, something

1277
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:04,190
at the back that happens that causes the backup.

1278
01:55:05,190 --> 01:55:14,110
In the evenings, I think it's like 4.15 to 5 o'clock, I think it's just everyone wants to leave

1279
01:55:14,110 --> 01:55:22,710
once, and then actually it's the truth caused by a traffic signal at Rover and NM4. We did do counts

1280
01:55:22,710 --> 01:55:27,890
when we did the Sherwood and Penon counts in November. We've been working with our traffic manager.

1281
01:55:28,050 --> 01:55:33,090
We did make some adjustments to the signal trying and to try and alleviate some of those backups,

1282
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:39,610
providing some more time for that eastbound direction. But there's kind of like a limit to what we can do

1283
01:55:39,610 --> 01:55:45,430
because there's quite a lot of traffic coming back into a white rock at that time.

1284
01:55:45,970 --> 01:55:51,510
So those were the main concerns about, I think, the response times if there is a backup.

1285
01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:58,190
Unfortunately, relies on drivers getting out of the way and there is sufficient space for them

1286
01:55:58,190 --> 01:56:03,670
to move over. It's just people are not generally paying attention, unfortunately, in the stage.

1287
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:06,650
No comment on that.

1288
01:56:07,870 --> 01:56:10,630
So I just have, I'm trying to picture the median.

1289
01:56:11,010 --> 01:56:15,610
So this is the first I heard that it was going to be two different signals and a median

1290
01:56:15,610 --> 01:56:16,450
in the middle.

1291
01:56:17,370 --> 01:56:21,550
If you have 10 kids that went across at one time, can all 10 of them fit in the median?

1292
01:56:22,150 --> 01:56:28,410
Yeah, so we're actually making what I call as the exact as so I know Linda can go back

1293
01:56:28,410 --> 01:56:37,930
to one of the slides but basically it's going to go like this so there'll be more insufficient space.

1294
01:56:37,930 --> 01:56:42,780
I can't remember what the offset between the two crossings is but it'll be 10 foot wide within that

1295
01:56:43,390 --> 01:56:44,430
that swath.

1296
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:53,700
I know it's hard to see there. I didn't make my dotted lines overly bold but it's kind of

1297
01:56:53,700 --> 01:57:04,950
that. So yeah, it's fine. I trust you. Really? Well, too. I see how many kids pile up on the

1298
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:09,750
median all at once and we'll see what happens. No, I doubt if they're all there at one time, but

1299
01:57:10,330 --> 01:57:16,350
it's just a concern that that I thought about when I heard about the two different signals. So

1300
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:20,890
that's all my questions. Okay, thank you, council. Any other

1301
01:57:22,630 --> 01:57:28,060
questions. Let's see. I did have, could be slightly

1302
01:57:28,060 --> 01:57:35,340
belaboring the point on the signal because I believe that it was 2022 when it was

1303
01:57:35,340 --> 01:57:41,640
site plan was approved. So I think it was 2020. 2020 for the site plan for

1304
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:48,080
the mixed use. Okay, so it's been a long time. So you mentioned the additional

1305
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,780
study so we can do that every so often when there's another whatever

1306
01:57:51,780 --> 01:57:59,180
or poems built, but in terms of the signal being approved for a warrant, when that development

1307
01:57:59,180 --> 01:58:02,860
occurs, it's a condition of the development to have the signal.

1308
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:07,760
So the signal goes in first, so the right or is that, what's the sequencing of that?

1309
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:14,040
It'll be coordinate when they get the certificate occupancy, so as they're built into that,

1310
01:58:14,140 --> 01:58:15,900
then the signal will get installed.

1311
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:20,620
So once they're at the point where they can get a certificate occupancy, then so they could

1312
01:58:20,620 --> 01:58:27,720
build the signal before, but we can't turn it on until they get it CEO. Okay, that makes some sense.

1313
01:58:29,500 --> 01:58:34,960
Maybe this has to do with the fact that you know you have emergency vehicles there too, but

1314
01:58:35,940 --> 01:58:43,580
I love the fact that you have a little barrier between the path, I'll call it multi-use path,

1315
01:58:43,580 --> 01:58:49,900
and then the bike lane. But between the bike lane and the road, they're just paint, right?

1316
01:58:50,460 --> 01:58:50,560
Yes.

1317
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:54,880
Right, and so we've talked about this a lot of times before, but you know, the complications

1318
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:56,960
if you have some sort of barrier there.

1319
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:03,600
So I guess it was a rollover barrier than it limits

1320
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,880
its utility, right? But then you could drive over it, somebody could pull over, get out of

1321
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:12,480
the way they emergency vehicles. I'm just kind of concerned about understanding if there's

1322
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:19,980
lot less expensive to have paint. But I'm concerned about the lack of safety between the vehicles

1323
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:27,660
and the roadway and the bicycles with just having paint. And I know, I know and technically we're

1324
01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:31,480
not approving that, but there's part of your discussion. That's why I've read it. We're just approving

1325
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:36,540
the hot crossing, but I just wanted to ask about that since you brought up and it came up with the

1326
01:59:37,620 --> 01:59:42,180
basically the safety issues or the fire station people getting around if they need to pull over.

1327
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:49,530
So, was there any discussion about any kind of separation?

1328
01:59:49,950 --> 01:59:50,590
Yes, I agree.

1329
01:59:50,770 --> 01:59:58,030
So, sir, the initial concept which it validly raised some of the concerns about emergency access was that 18-inch curb.

1330
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:59,890
We had placed it between the bike.

1331
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,960
So, the plan is to be able to explain in the travel lane to create that kind of separated by clean. When looking at when I've been out there, there are some cyclists using NM4, but they're the highly experienced looking cyclists, they're not the five-year-olds falling along their mother. And, you know, we always try and develop facilities for everyone, but they'll have access to the

1332
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:36,500
trail system, you know, the NM4 trail. On the south side goes all the way around to, I think,

1333
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:42,980
to the Parahito. Is that the right name of that subdivision to the west? And there goes

1334
02:00:42,980 --> 02:00:49,400
in. So they have alternatives. So it's kind of one of those balancing things. In that location,

1335
02:00:49,580 --> 02:00:56,320
the bike lanes are wider, they're not just five feet to curb. They're, I think, seven feet if we

1336
02:00:56,320 --> 02:01:04,100
paint a one-foot kind of paint-peave median if you want to call it that. So you know how it was

1337
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:08,440
a thought in my mind how could we make this like that but then as you get into downtown

1338
02:01:09,860 --> 02:01:16,480
right then there's really no way to continue that separation. So it would kind of be like just more

1339
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:23,360
for show rather than. Right it would. It's not like protected by paths anywhere. Yeah okay I'll

1340
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:28,380
At least for that segment that we have that trail will be able to use that trail through there

1341
02:01:28,380 --> 02:01:37,020
If you mean so if you're in town cycling westbound, you could then access the separating trail. Right, right, okay

1342
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:38,380
so

1343
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:40,520
I think that makes some sense

1344
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:42,220
We'll also send you Brad up

1345
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:46,780
You brought up the part between you know, the truck route and white rock

1346
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:51,120
So right now that is just the two lanes and I think that is part of the

1347
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:55,920
study right to look at following redoing that road.

1348
02:01:56,140 --> 02:02:00,320
I believe DOT is looking at that.

1349
02:02:00,620 --> 02:02:00,820
Correct.

1350
02:02:00,980 --> 02:02:02,060
But they're not looking at.

1351
02:02:02,860 --> 02:02:03,820
So you're not going to be asking us.

1352
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:05,160
I'm asking about bike lanes there.

1353
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,120
There's no bike lane discussion there, right?

1354
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:10,600
I'll take that one, Chair Eddie.

1355
02:02:12,220 --> 02:02:18,240
So there has been a project that DOT has been working on for some time.

1356
02:02:18,240 --> 02:02:20,120
It's been really slow going.

1357
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:23,600
They've had a change of a lot of the project engineers over time.

1358
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:28,680
They had a change of engineering consultants, you know, from then to now.

1359
02:02:29,780 --> 02:02:36,420
At a recent conference, you know, I had some discussions with DOT about that and they do have a new project engineer on board.

1360
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:45,920
They had been having plans to have a public meeting to talk about this because they're at their very early stages of planning for this project.

1361
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:52,860
So, they're in that study phase, if you will, looking at different alternatives and looking

1362
02:02:52,860 --> 02:02:57,900
at the needs of the corridor, something that the county has been advocating for some

1363
02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:03,360
time is adding shoulders for safety and refuge, but for also bicycle use as well.

1364
02:03:03,940 --> 02:03:09,440
Because there's a lot of on-road bicycles that utilize that corridor for biking purposes.

1365
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:15,580
could there be a multi-use trail aspect to that potentially?

1366
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:19,820
So those are conversations that still need to be had,

1367
02:03:19,980 --> 02:03:23,340
and hopefully we hear more soon as far as the project schedule

1368
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:26,600
and the rollout as time goes on.

1369
02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:28,680
Okay, thank you.

1370
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,840
Oh, I did have a question because it's come up with the,

1371
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,060
so there's the so-called Idaho stop.

1372
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,200
So I know that it applies to the stop signs.

1373
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:47,680
It also applies to the supply.

1374
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:51,580
The question was, since we have cyclists in the area,

1375
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:55,100
they're going to be paying attention to the same lights.

1376
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:57,640
Because you mentioned vehicles.

1377
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:02,440
You mean bicycles also are supposed to do exactly the same thing

1378
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:07,120
when they come to, or is this the law about the Idaho stuff change some of that?

1379
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:13,440
So the Idaho stopper which is because it was first implemented in Idaho that was

1380
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:19,000
I think July 1 that came into effect in New Mexico. So basically that allows a bicyclist

1381
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:26,700
to yield a stop sign so they don't have to come to a full stop sign. But as traffic signal

1382
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:32,740
they have to first come to a stop but then can proceed on red if it's clear to do so.

1383
02:04:32,740 --> 02:04:38,880
So, in this instance, a cyclist on that roadway would have to first come to a stop because

1384
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:39,800
of the red signal.

1385
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:40,000
Yeah.

1386
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:45,700
And if the pedestrian had cleared in front of them, and now it was still red, then they

1387
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:47,460
could legally continue.

1388
02:04:48,020 --> 02:04:48,240
Okay.

1389
02:04:48,980 --> 02:04:49,460
Okay.

1390
02:04:51,860 --> 02:04:53,820
I think that's all the questions I had.

1391
02:04:54,420 --> 02:04:56,540
So let's see.

1392
02:04:56,680 --> 02:05:00,240
I think we're ready for public comment.

1393
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:04,200
Does anyone in the room want to make a public comment?

1394
02:05:10,350 --> 02:05:14,130
I'm Richard Gattis, 102 Confianza Street in Mirador.

1395
02:05:16,050 --> 02:05:17,690
I don't want to shoot this down.

1396
02:05:18,670 --> 02:05:23,330
The hawk signal really is not going to affect me one way or the other.

1397
02:05:24,030 --> 02:05:24,150
But

1398
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:34,070
let's see, page eight of the presentation, I think it was.

1399
02:05:36,450 --> 02:05:47,890
It kind of excludes the part of the Mirador Subdivision from LaVista down to Sherwood.

1400
02:05:49,170 --> 02:05:57,670
The only way that we would be able to utilize the hot crossing is to hike uphill to LaVista,

1401
02:05:57,670 --> 02:06:01,650
come back around and go down to the hot crossing.

1402
02:06:03,490 --> 02:06:11,810
This is not part of this project, but I would appreciate the Council looking into

1403
02:06:11,810 --> 02:06:20,050
the provisions of the approval of the mixed use development.

1404
02:06:20,050 --> 02:06:27,130
There were some provisions in there, the letter of approval had provisions in there that

1405
02:06:27,130 --> 02:06:33,310
have now been put off for what, three years, maybe four.

1406
02:06:34,990 --> 02:06:40,090
One of those is ADA compliance.

1407
02:06:40,090 --> 02:06:51,190
At the time, we had no way of getting from the confions of cul-de-sac over to Sherwood.

1408
02:06:52,550 --> 02:07:04,070
This opens up the possibility that instead of an ADA zigzag ramp down to Mirador and

1409
02:07:04,070 --> 02:07:08,070
and then on around to Sherwood possibly building

1410
02:07:08,070 --> 02:07:12,930
some kind of connection from the cul-de-sac

1411
02:07:13,570 --> 02:07:15,270
over to the north side path.

1412
02:07:16,490 --> 02:07:17,870
I'd like to look into that.

1413
02:07:20,530 --> 02:07:24,970
I also wanted to part of the reason

1414
02:07:25,610 --> 02:07:31,090
that we do not have a lot of volume of children crossing

1415
02:07:31,090 --> 02:07:33,490
the street taking buses and so forth.

1416
02:07:33,490 --> 02:07:36,230
It's just too damn dangerous to get over there.

1417
02:07:37,050 --> 02:07:39,110
So they're probably not doing that.

1418
02:07:39,530 --> 02:07:41,170
And as far as bus service,

1419
02:07:41,330 --> 02:07:46,050
there is not bus service to the middle school

1420
02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:48,690
or high school from Mirador itself.

1421
02:07:49,150 --> 02:07:54,090
Yes, they do have school buses picking up elementary students

1422
02:07:54,090 --> 02:07:56,410
and taking them to Pinyon.

1423
02:07:57,290 --> 02:08:00,210
But otherwise, it's up to the parents

1424
02:08:00,210 --> 02:08:04,150
to figure out how to get their children up to Los Alamos.

1425
02:08:05,010 --> 02:08:05,630
Thank you.

1426
02:08:06,170 --> 02:08:06,430
Thank you.

1427
02:08:08,090 --> 02:08:09,130
Okay, do we have any other?

1428
02:08:13,530 --> 02:08:16,170
My name is Jessica Alvin, I'm at 61 Comfianza.

1429
02:08:17,090 --> 02:08:18,090
Oh, it's all right, I'm quick.

1430
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:19,790
I have a couple of kiddos.

1431
02:08:20,650 --> 02:08:23,930
I make them call me on their watch every time we cross Highway 4

1432
02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:26,170
and I run out and help them cross.

1433
02:08:26,430 --> 02:08:28,990
So I think there's a handful of us in the neighborhood

1434
02:08:29,630 --> 02:08:33,110
that would like a stoplight, but I know that's an on-option.

1435
02:08:33,110 --> 02:08:36,530
I'm really appreciative to your team for all the work you've done.

1436
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:38,690
I thank you for all the input you've taken.

1437
02:08:40,090 --> 02:08:45,690
I saw something out on the street light counting traffic the last couple of weeks or maybe it was

1438
02:08:45,690 --> 02:08:50,830
the video camera. We just need a safe crossing for the kids. So I'm grateful for everyone looking

1439
02:08:50,830 --> 02:08:56,870
into this. I'm grateful for the years of planning all the engineers. I just thank you all for your

1440
02:08:56,870 --> 02:09:02,250
part. Okay, thank you. Oh, we have one more person.

1441
02:09:05,540 --> 02:09:09,060
Greg Wies, 186 P.A. Dr. Loop. I drive this

1442
02:09:09,060 --> 02:09:15,020
section of New Mexico for frequently and I will say that for the residents of Mirador having a

1443
02:09:15,020 --> 02:09:22,440
safe crossing that is in a location that is likely to be used is imperative for the children there

1444
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:29,140
and it should be done before there's a tragedy. So I'm in favor of doing this program. I guess

1445
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:35,980
My only disagreement is that I think the speed limit could be reduced only to 40 versus 35,

1446
02:09:35,980 --> 02:09:40,460
which is 40 is the speed of New Mexico for south of White Rock.

1447
02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:47,080
For example, that's the speed along the diamond along the golf course, and that's

1448
02:09:47,620 --> 02:09:51,400
sort of like this, and there's a crossing on that road where it is there.

1449
02:09:51,980 --> 02:09:54,580
So that's my thoughts. Thank you. Thank you.

1450
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:05,000
I'll check. If you'd like to make public comment, please use the raise hand feature.

1451
02:10:10,860 --> 02:10:12,000
Chair, I'm not seeing any hands raised.

1452
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:17,680
Okay. So is there Councillor, and should I make a motion? Councillor, him.

1453
02:10:19,140 --> 02:10:24,980
Thank you, Chair. I move that Councillor approve the installation of a high intensity activated

1454
02:10:24,980 --> 02:10:33,880
cross-box called OCC, signal on New Mexico for approximately 550 feet east of La Vista Drive.

1455
02:10:34,700 --> 02:10:40,400
Second. Okay, so we have a motion by Councillor Hianne, second by Councillor Herman.

1456
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:41,880
Is there any discussion?

1457
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:52,640
I'm not seeing any. I'll just say, I mean, we've been talking about this

1458
02:10:52,640 --> 02:11:00,200
for a really long time and also about the light. So I think this is a good step forward

1459
02:11:00,200 --> 02:11:07,400
and I do appreciate the issues associated with it the one third that's got much different distance

1460
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:13,080
but these are meant to work together so without having the ability to put in the light on

1461
02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:19,820
our own which I think I'd asked about before I think this is where we are. So can the clerk please

1462
02:11:19,820 --> 02:11:20,260
call the roll.

1463
02:11:23,340 --> 02:11:30,000
Councillor Neill Clinton. Yes. Councillor Hand. Yes. Councillor Herman. Yes.

1464
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,500
Councillor Wrighty. Yes.

1465
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:37,600
Councillor Heaveman. Yes.

1466
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:42,500
Councillor Cull. Yes. Motion passes 7-0.

1467
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:48,400
Okay, let the record show the motion passes unanimously.

1468
02:11:50,340 --> 02:11:57,000
I guess it's after 8 o'clock, so maybe given we still have some more items left,

1469
02:11:57,680 --> 02:12:01,340
That's just we take about a 10 minute break.

1470
02:12:19,870 --> 02:12:26,290
We're back in session and as soon as technology cooperates, we'll get back to the item.

1471
02:12:27,050 --> 02:12:30,750
Next item here, so we're on item 9c.

1472
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:39,810
It's 211-30-26, it's presentation and possible acceptance of the FY 2025 annual comprehensive

1473
02:12:39,810 --> 02:12:46,910
of financial report with Auditor's opinion and FY 2025 single audit report with Auditor's

1474
02:12:46,910 --> 02:12:47,230
opinion.

1475
02:12:53,260 --> 02:12:54,240
Ready to go ahead, please.

1476
02:12:54,740 --> 02:12:54,860
Yes.

1477
02:12:55,420 --> 02:12:57,980
Good evening, Chair, I.D. and members of Council.

1478
02:12:59,740 --> 02:13:06,120
Tonight, I am here to present the FY25 Act for and single audit report and you'll notice

1479
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:08,560
that we did issue two separate reports.

1480
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:12,480
Typically, the single audit report is included in the Act for.

1481
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:23,560
However, during the federal government shutdown back in October, we were informed that the final 2025 OMB compliance supplement had not yet been issued.

1482
02:13:24,020 --> 02:13:27,460
This supplement is required before we can finalize the single audit.

1483
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:39,680
When it was still not issued in mid November, we made a decision to go ahead and issue two separate reports in order to meet our financial reporting deadline for the SEC by December 31.

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02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:45,220
First, that reporting does not have to include the single audit, so we decided to move forward

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02:13:45,220 --> 02:13:45,640
with that.

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02:13:46,900 --> 02:13:49,980
Next, I'd like to highlight a few key points of our aquifer.

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02:13:51,820 --> 02:13:56,720
The government-wide financial statements section starts on page 28 of the aquifer and

1488
02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:58,220
presents the county as a whole.

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02:13:59,020 --> 02:14:04,020
We are a local government entity, and our primary business is providing citizen services.

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02:14:04,020 --> 02:14:11,600
So we present different types of activities on more than one measurement focus or accounting basis.

1491
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:16,660
Our readers should look to the notes to the financial statements as well as the MD&A or

1492
02:14:16,660 --> 02:14:22,080
management discussion and analysis to gain a better understanding of the measurement focuses.

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02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:23,440
Next slide.

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02:14:26,420 --> 02:14:31,340
So governmental activities are, they do include all the county's basic services

1495
02:14:31,340 --> 02:14:37,440
and governmental functions that are supported by general county revenues, which is primarily taxes.

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02:14:38,260 --> 02:14:44,200
Business type activities include the joint utility system and environmental services, fire, transit,

1497
02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:51,080
and airport. And these are generally supported by charges paid by users. Next slide.

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02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:52,020
the

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02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:59,930
government-wide financial statements first.

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02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,040
Present the county as a whole like a business. The county's total ending that position for 2025 was $666.3 million, which is a $26.8 million increase from prior year. The explanations of key differences are described in our MD&A section of the aquifer. Next slide. This chart shows revenues by type and expenditures by function over the last five years in our governmental funds.

1501
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:35,300
It also shows how well our sources or revenues cover our uses or expenditures.

1502
02:15:36,060 --> 02:15:41,380
Our surplus or deficit primarily corresponds with how much capital outlay we spent over

1503
02:15:41,380 --> 02:15:42,100
the last year.

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02:15:43,060 --> 02:15:51,760
And as you can see in FY23 and 24, there is a $35.3 million surplus and a $36.4 million

1505
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:52,980
surplus respectively.

1506
02:15:52,980 --> 02:16:01,900
This surplus significantly decreased in FY25 to 855,000, mainly due to an 18 million

1507
02:16:01,900 --> 02:16:07,720
dollar decrease in total revenues, which is primarily our GRT, and a 17 million dollar

1508
02:16:07,720 --> 02:16:10,560
increase in expenditures, which is primarily capital assets.

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02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:11,920
Next slide.

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02:16:13,700 --> 02:16:20,140
This chart is intended to show the changes in revenues and expenditures, and as you can see

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02:16:20,140 --> 02:16:24,060
There is an $855,000 surplus, again, as of June 30.

1512
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:29,480
This means that we have essentially banked reserves in that amount in our governmental

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02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:32,840
funds intended to provide services to the community.

1514
02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:33,820
Next slide.

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02:16:35,300 --> 02:16:40,780
A figure three compares program revenues to expenses for business type activities for

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02:16:40,780 --> 02:16:41,760
fiscal year 25.

1517
02:16:42,660 --> 02:16:47,960
And this chart demonstrates to what degree the revenues covered expenses for each program

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02:16:47,960 --> 02:16:49,140
by type of activity.

1519
02:16:49,140 --> 02:16:55,960
Overall, total business type program revenues are less than total program expenses by approximately

1520
02:16:55,960 --> 02:16:58,480
$5.1 million in FY25.

1521
02:16:59,820 --> 02:17:00,340
Next slide.

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02:17:03,210 --> 02:17:09,990
Our GRT makes up our primary source of revenues in our general fund and a few earmarked for

1523
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:10,750
special purposes.

1524
02:17:11,670 --> 02:17:15,030
And here's a snapshot of our GRT over the past 10 years.

1525
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:20,850
and you can see an 18.3 million dollar decrease in our GRT over the prior year.

1526
02:17:21,410 --> 02:17:25,990
GRT is significantly impacted by Lannel's funding and activity each year,

1527
02:17:26,370 --> 02:17:30,290
and it makes it for approximately 80% of our GRT revenue.

1528
02:17:31,010 --> 02:17:31,310
Next slide.

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02:17:33,370 --> 02:17:35,050
What makes an act very unique?

1530
02:17:35,550 --> 02:17:40,450
The act for is governmental entity financial statements that must contain an

1531
02:17:40,450 --> 02:17:44,250
introductory financial section and statistical section.

1532
02:17:44,250 --> 02:17:49,450
Our statistical section does contain 26 tables of useful data about our organization

1533
02:17:49,850 --> 02:17:52,830
and compares 10 years of data where applicant will.

1534
02:17:53,570 --> 02:17:58,230
It does take specialized knowledge and governmental accounting to be able to perform all the

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02:17:58,230 --> 02:18:01,790
adjustments, calculations, and reporting under gas view requirements.

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02:18:02,730 --> 02:18:08,070
Los Alamos County has received awards of excellence in financial reporting from the Government Finance

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02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:12,150
Officers Association, which is GFOA for the past 34 consecutive years.

1538
02:18:12,910 --> 02:18:13,590
Next slide.

1539
02:18:15,310 --> 02:18:20,350
And finally, I want to just a huge thank you to the finance staff for all that they do

1540
02:18:20,350 --> 02:18:27,030
to pull this together and on the extra hours that are worked from July to essentially December.

1541
02:18:28,090 --> 02:18:33,250
They all do a great job and also to all the county departments for doing such a great job,

1542
02:18:33,450 --> 02:18:38,930
all year long to aid us in positive results of our audit is truly a team effort.

1543
02:18:38,930 --> 02:18:42,030
and we are very fortunate to have such an amazing team.

1544
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:46,150
I will now turn it over to Farley Venier with Hinkle and Lander.

1545
02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:49,190
Lander's to discuss the results of our annual audit.

1546
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:54,930
Good evening, county councillors.

1547
02:18:55,050 --> 02:18:56,290
I'm making sure you can hear me okay.

1548
02:18:58,210 --> 02:18:58,730
Yes.

1549
02:18:59,290 --> 02:18:59,690
Okay, great.

1550
02:19:00,210 --> 02:19:00,590
All right.

1551
02:19:00,670 --> 02:19:03,370
Well, we'll go ahead and be brief with this.

1552
02:19:03,810 --> 02:19:07,870
We're just going to present the results of the audit

1553
02:19:07,870 --> 02:19:11,770
a part from what you've already heard.

1554
02:19:12,110 --> 02:19:17,230
So just moving to the next page, this will be our agenda,

1555
02:19:17,630 --> 02:19:20,570
and we'll take about five minutes or less.

1556
02:19:20,890 --> 02:19:21,910
So we'll move past this.

1557
02:19:23,470 --> 02:19:26,350
Just to introduce the team that worked on the audit,

1558
02:19:26,470 --> 02:19:27,410
I was a partner in charge.

1559
02:19:27,630 --> 02:19:29,490
Caitlin did what we called a heavy lifting

1560
02:19:29,490 --> 02:19:33,650
with managing the audit, and she had support

1561
02:19:33,650 --> 02:19:39,210
support staff, Karina, was her main person supporting the audit.

1562
02:19:40,430 --> 02:19:48,210
And next page, just to outline the scope of work, what our job is, as auditors as we

1563
02:19:48,210 --> 02:19:53,370
give, an opinion on the financial statements, and then we also give another opinion on

1564
02:19:54,730 --> 02:20:00,430
the major federal programs under the, and this is what's called the single audit.

1565
02:20:00,970 --> 02:20:06,170
So those two opinions and then apart from those two opinions, this year we

1566
02:20:06,170 --> 02:20:12,250
performed some non-test services so we prepared the financial statements.

1567
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:18,710
It was usually you do that internally. I think this year was an exception to

1568
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:22,290
that. And then the last thing to note there is that there are some state audit

1569
02:20:22,290 --> 02:20:29,730
row compliance testing areas that we are also required to test and move on to the

1570
02:20:29,730 --> 02:20:36,310
next slide. Just just gives a summary of some key communications that we should communicate

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02:20:36,310 --> 02:20:43,370
to those charged with governance. We did this at the what we call the exit conference before

1572
02:20:43,370 --> 02:20:49,770
we send it into the State Archers Office for their review, but to summarize, just to explain

1573
02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:56,310
the accounting practices, one of our jobs is to ensure that the practices, policies, estimates

1574
02:20:56,310 --> 02:21:08,910
and disclosures in the report are consistent with the standards, which in this case are generally accepted county principals, gap, and gas be the government accounting standards.

1575
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:14,430
Then those key lines, you see their proposed adjustments, we had none.

1576
02:21:15,430 --> 02:21:22,690
No other adjustments. All those lines say none. That means we had no issues there. Everything was very clean.

1577
02:21:22,690 --> 02:21:28,300
and no disagreements with management, no difficulties performing the audit and

1578
02:21:28,890 --> 02:21:33,530
then the highlight was there was the the introduction of a new standard called

1579
02:21:33,530 --> 02:21:39,270
GASB 101 that's related to the measurement of compensated absences, the

1580
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:46,190
liability at year end. So just a new way of measuring it and so that was

1581
02:21:46,190 --> 02:21:55,010
implement this year. Moving on, results of the audit, the two opinions are

1582
02:21:55,010 --> 02:22:01,370
unmodified and that means clean opinions. So in other words, for the financial

1583
02:22:01,370 --> 02:22:06,850
statements we believe the numbers being presented are materially correct and for

1584
02:22:06,850 --> 02:22:14,750
the federal awards, we believe as our tears that you are in compliance with the

1585
02:22:14,750 --> 02:22:19,450
rules of those grants that were considered major federal programs this year.

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02:22:20,010 --> 02:22:27,710
Finding wise you can see that table there, no findings to report and then moving on.

1587
02:22:29,650 --> 02:22:33,810
If you wrote brief on this there are new standards coming out every year.

1588
02:22:34,130 --> 02:22:41,110
One on one was introduced this year as I mentioned and one on two was also introduced and implemented,

1589
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:42,990
but there was no impact for the county.

1590
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:49,690
next year will be new standards called financial reporting model so the report

1591
02:22:49,690 --> 02:22:55,150
will have some changes in it and also a new standard next year and it's called

1592
02:22:55,150 --> 02:23:00,250
capital assets just clarification on how to present the categories and in

1593
02:23:00,250 --> 02:23:06,110
certain areas that maybe have not been previously addressed are going to be

1594
02:23:06,110 --> 02:23:14,050
introduced next year as well. Next slide. I'll move real quick past these. So these are just

1595
02:23:14,050 --> 02:23:28,130
background on 101 next page, 102 next page. Continue on please. This will be the do standards next year,

1596
02:23:28,310 --> 02:23:34,330
the reporting model, just some summaries, but I don't think we need to go into it today. Let's

1597
02:23:34,330 --> 02:23:41,830
someone would have some questions on that, so move past that, continue on please, continue,

1598
02:23:43,870 --> 02:23:52,250
continue. And then this page just explains that there are new standards that have not been

1599
02:23:52,250 --> 02:23:57,170
implemented yet, they're just in the pipeline. Actually, in subsequent advance, you can see that

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02:23:57,170 --> 02:24:03,870
one that was listed for December, that one has been issued. There was one you see July

1601
02:24:03,870 --> 02:24:08,350
implementation guide every year, they put out an implementation guide which has answered

1602
02:24:08,350 --> 02:24:16,750
questions on how to apply standards. And anyway, next slide, please. And that's it. So

1603
02:24:16,750 --> 02:24:23,590
thank you for working with us. And I can stop for any questions or discussion.

1604
02:24:26,770 --> 02:24:35,630
Okay. Thank you, Ms. Dotsi and Mr. Beneer. Do we have any technical or clarifying questions

1605
02:24:35,630 --> 02:24:36,930
from council.

1606
02:24:39,640 --> 02:24:40,980
You're not seeing any.

1607
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:49,600
So let's say we have any public comment on this item.

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02:24:53,620 --> 02:25:00,240
That's can check online. Next, my public comment, please use the raise hand function.

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02:25:03,700 --> 02:25:03,980
Chair,

1610
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:07,800
not seeing any hands raised. Okay, so I have a councilor.

1611
02:25:10,010 --> 02:25:12,030
I move the council accept the annual

1612
02:25:12,030 --> 02:25:19,970
comprehensive financial report and single audit report for the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2025.

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02:25:20,650 --> 02:25:27,630
Second. Okay, so we have a motion, Councillor Nyclinton, a second by Councillor Cull. Do we have

1614
02:25:27,630 --> 02:25:28,430
any discussion?

1615
02:25:32,090 --> 02:25:34,130
Councillor Cull? No, just a great work. Thank you.

1616
02:25:37,970 --> 02:25:41,210
Okay, so it was great to be,

1617
02:25:41,210 --> 02:25:48,010
We had to recognize last week in Mexico counties, so it was a medium county, I think, award.

1618
02:25:49,450 --> 02:25:52,910
You received that award almost every year.

1619
02:25:53,630 --> 02:25:57,390
It's been available since 2011, so that's a great acknowledgment.

1620
02:25:58,290 --> 02:26:00,690
And yeah, it's a very comprehensive report.

1621
02:26:01,350 --> 02:26:08,150
I love the statistical information on the other back, and so I think my favorite table this

1622
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:14,310
year was the 10-year difference in the number of jobs, and you could see the number of the,

1623
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:21,710
basically 8,000 more jobs over on the other side of the bridge. So that's in there. So there's

1624
02:26:21,710 --> 02:26:26,890
a lot of good stuff in there. If you didn't get that far, there's stuff at the back that you can

1625
02:26:26,890 --> 02:26:30,850
I want that. Okay. So, um, please call the roll.

1626
02:26:36,020 --> 02:26:37,440
Councillor Rattie. Yes.

1627
02:26:38,250 --> 02:26:39,620
Councillor Rieckord. Yes.

1628
02:26:40,550 --> 02:26:41,860
Councillor Hand. Yes.

1629
02:26:42,700 --> 02:26:44,480
Councillor Colp. Yes.

1630
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:46,800
Councillor Haviman. Yes.

1631
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,400
Councillor Neill Clinton. Yes.

1632
02:26:49,980 --> 02:26:53,360
Councillor Herman. Yes. Motion passes, 7-0.

1633
02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:56,400
Okay. Let the record show the motion passes unanimously.

1634
02:26:57,160 --> 02:26:57,700
So thank you again.

1635
02:26:57,700 --> 02:27:10,740
Okay, now we're on to item 90, 212, 226-26 discussion and possible action on

1636
02:27:10,740 --> 02:27:20,790
establishment of a metropolitan redevelopment area commission. So I asked to have

1637
02:27:20,790 --> 02:27:27,550
this because we had a discussion of this two weeks ago at the work session and

1638
02:27:27,550 --> 02:27:29,790
and there was no opportunity for action,

1639
02:27:30,050 --> 02:27:31,170
so I just wanted to make sure,

1640
02:27:31,810 --> 02:27:33,330
since we heard some different opinions,

1641
02:27:33,330 --> 02:27:35,670
and that's kind of catalogued in the staff report,

1642
02:27:35,930 --> 02:27:37,550
plus we had one counselor absent,

1643
02:27:39,170 --> 02:27:43,670
whether counsel was interested in pursuing this or not,

1644
02:27:44,730 --> 02:27:47,390
and just so we could have public aware

1645
02:27:47,390 --> 02:27:48,490
what direction we're going.

1646
02:27:51,870 --> 02:27:55,650
So I guess I could start with a few comments

1647
02:27:55,650 --> 02:27:57,050
of just what I've heard.

1648
02:27:58,990 --> 02:28:03,210
And we certainly heard there's a concern about transparency

1649
02:28:03,210 --> 02:28:07,950
of the process as it's implemented now.

1650
02:28:09,230 --> 02:28:15,790
People have commented about notice of that the AMRA existed

1651
02:28:15,790 --> 02:28:19,850
and there was a possibility something maybe happening

1652
02:28:19,850 --> 02:28:20,550
in the building.

1653
02:28:20,770 --> 02:28:24,210
There were occupants who were not sure about owners.

1654
02:28:24,210 --> 02:28:32,430
I didn't get that level of detail, but I was kind of curious about, I didn't look

1655
02:28:32,430 --> 02:28:36,510
at the general statute, and I guess with our home rule, we would have some latitude.

1656
02:28:38,450 --> 02:28:46,590
But the statute does indicate that there would be five members of the commission, and it

1657
02:28:46,590 --> 02:28:50,430
It's initial terms, but they're intended to be five years eventually.

1658
02:28:52,930 --> 02:29:13,030
The commissioners for this MR commission could be replaced by the, in our case, the county manager, I think, or the chair of the council at their discretion, which I'm not sure, you know, maybe we could set up something differently, but that's what's in the general law.

1659
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:15,810
I'm not sure if that's what people are thinking we would be doing.

1660
02:29:17,890 --> 02:29:23,430
And then I did have questions about what would happen to projects if we were to go down

1661
02:29:23,430 --> 02:29:30,510
this path, what happens to projects in the meantime we did get an email from one party

1662
02:29:30,510 --> 02:29:33,150
that's working on an MRA application.

1663
02:29:34,930 --> 02:29:37,010
So I guess maybe you just start with that.

1664
02:29:37,010 --> 02:29:37,290
So,

1665
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:46,280
I guess, how do people, I guess, any response to the comments I made about the issues

1666
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:50,980
that people have raised, plus the logistics of doing this, what would be the plan for

1667
02:29:51,660 --> 02:29:56,120
right now, projects, if we were to establish commission with everything stopped, or would

1668
02:29:56,120 --> 02:29:58,660
and we continue under the current process.

1669
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:14,760
So, I guess, I'll just cancel hand, Jeff. Thank you, Chair. So, I'll just provide my input regarding the existing process and things that are in the works.

1670
02:30:16,900 --> 02:30:29,740
I think they should just follow what we currently are current process. But for the long term, I think that it should not be

1671
02:30:29,740 --> 02:30:42,640
council that makes the decisions on this. I think we should have a new commission and set

1672
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:50,380
up something similar to what we do for all the other topics, you know, and decision-making

1673
02:30:50,380 --> 02:30:57,380
that we have, you know, we have boards and commissions that and advisory boards, et cetera,

1674
02:30:57,380 --> 02:31:01,620
that all report to counsel with their recommendations.

1675
02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:07,800
People have to interview for this, they have to have qualifications

1676
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:12,180
that are relevant to the work that is going to be done.

1677
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:15,920
And I would like to see something like that.

1678
02:31:16,440 --> 02:31:20,820
And I think that it would help with transparency, or at least

1679
02:31:21,380 --> 02:31:25,600
I think a lot of people in the community would like to see something like that

1680
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:34,500
because there's a feeling of, you know, having, you know, more citizen input than a situation

1681
02:31:34,500 --> 02:31:38,280
where we have counsel making the decisions on that.

1682
02:31:43,500 --> 02:31:49,840
So, you know, this may take a while to set up and, you know, because it may take a while,

1683
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:53,120
I think that we have to continue on with the current process

1684
02:31:54,500 --> 02:31:58,840
for any things that are in the works right now.

1685
02:32:00,740 --> 02:32:05,300
You think you can plan any other look over here, okay. Councillor Rieger?

1686
02:32:06,380 --> 02:32:13,580
Well, I kind of concur with Councillor Hanna saying, but I also would like to talk about this in a more general sense,

1687
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:19,420
and that we need an advisory committee, which I would, you know, an economic incentives board,

1688
02:32:19,420 --> 02:32:25,440
that advises us not just on MRA projects but also on lead-to-projects and they

1689
02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:29,800
would have to be people that are from a business background and familiar with

1690
02:32:29,800 --> 02:32:36,160
things like banking and construction and retail and maybe restaurants, things

1691
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:43,100
like that that can give us a very sensible business advice that could go with

1692
02:32:43,100 --> 02:32:52,740
our work and I have an example that is not recent, but it did fall apart a few years ago,

1693
02:32:52,840 --> 02:33:03,100
which was the Marriott project at 20th Street, where this town can't support a full size

1694
02:33:03,100 --> 02:33:06,140
Marriott, but it could have been a Marriott courtyard.

1695
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:12,360
But it got saddled with other things, included a convention center, which then it's somehow

1696
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:17,380
other in the business world that turned into the end of it. I don't know how that could not go

1697
02:33:17,380 --> 02:33:25,580
ahead because we're so short of hotel rooms that we're so short of lodging and that project

1698
02:33:25,580 --> 02:33:30,860
had 20th Street. There's no way it couldn't have been modeled as a successful thing by any business

1699
02:33:30,860 --> 02:33:37,280
person and then they just had to go get funding before interest rates went up. This was like five

1700
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:42,520
years ago, six years ago was all happening, and that process got way laid by things that

1701
02:33:42,520 --> 02:33:48,020
were added that I never understood how it happened. I didn't make any business sense

1702
02:33:48,020 --> 02:33:54,500
to me. In the end, there's no way you could not build a merry-out courtyard on 20th Street

1703
02:33:54,500 --> 02:34:00,340
in Los Alamos and not get the funding and all of the support put together, and that hotel

1704
02:34:00,340 --> 02:34:07,500
was unable to pull it off and then I think we have to have people advising us on that stuff

1705
02:34:07,500 --> 02:34:12,960
rather than tying up that property for years saying you know this can go ahead or this is not

1706
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:19,240
going to go ahead and it turned into something that got tangled up in in other needs of the county

1707
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:26,260
but then didn't turn into a viable initiative that would actually go all the way through and so now

1708
02:34:26,260 --> 02:34:32,440
Nobody was here that except Randy was probably around for beginning of that time when that project

1709
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:37,120
was put together, but I think it's the kind of the disease we're not getting good

1710
02:34:38,900 --> 02:34:45,480
business advice from the public except people complaining later on when they don't like the

1711
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:50,260
results. And we get lots of business people talking to us, but we don't get people talking to us.

1712
02:34:50,660 --> 02:34:55,400
We need to type them talking to us earlier. So I don't know if this commission would be

1713
02:34:55,400 --> 02:35:00,720
empowered to review things like the 20th Street Project, but I think going forward, as we have new

1714
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:08,360
leaders and new MRA initiatives, that we need a group of business people who are like a

1715
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:14,700
economic incentives board or an economic incentives commission whatever we want to call it.

1716
02:35:15,160 --> 02:35:19,100
I don't know the exact legal structure, but we need people giving us advice on all of these kinds

1717
02:35:19,100 --> 02:35:26,080
a project from including like banking judgments and what's construction and everything else.

1718
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:30,820
So I think we need exactly this kind of thing and we should start moving in that direction

1719
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:35,740
in terms of putting together a legal structure that would take on all those responsibilities

1720
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:42,380
of the put taking together a committee that an ordinance that lays out that structure

1721
02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:46,820
to get all of these things reviewed as we move forward.

1722
02:35:46,820 --> 02:35:53,580
Okay, thank you, Councillor Riger. We have any other thoughts, a couple?

1723
02:35:56,310 --> 02:36:03,090
We currently have an L tab that can't keep people or can't hold meetings because they

1724
02:36:03,090 --> 02:36:11,010
can't get a quorum, mainly because the folks that run businesses that are on the L tab

1725
02:36:11,570 --> 02:36:17,450
are very busy and can't make the meetings. So what makes us think that we can find a group

1726
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:26,870
of business people that are willing to review and frankly do our job for us with regard to

1727
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:36,390
MRA projects and and lead a projects. This is, you know, there's other ways to have transparency.

1728
02:36:37,150 --> 02:36:45,450
We've been adjusting how we do business by bringing things to council more than once.

1729
02:36:45,450 --> 02:36:49,510
For example, the North Mesa Plan that we reviewed tonight.

1730
02:36:50,110 --> 02:36:52,810
Again, we had a presentation on that.

1731
02:36:53,470 --> 02:36:57,370
We were able to get a lot of public input and a lot of public comments.

1732
02:36:58,570 --> 02:37:05,190
And, you know, it's not typical that we get that kind of volume of comments that we got.

1733
02:37:05,870 --> 02:37:11,590
But we gave it time and we allowed people to make those comments.

1734
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:19,910
I don't see anything really different if we have an MRA proposal or a lead-of-project,

1735
02:37:20,090 --> 02:37:26,810
which we've already started, one of those, where we would have a presentation, potentially

1736
02:37:27,750 --> 02:37:35,390
we could add some requirements to those presentations where we would require the business leader,

1737
02:37:35,390 --> 02:37:42,050
whoever's making the proposal that they have to give a presentation to council and answer

1738
02:37:42,050 --> 02:37:48,210
questions from us that a lot of times would come from the public through us.

1739
02:37:49,710 --> 02:37:57,510
So I just see so many delays with creating another commission that I don't think is really

1740
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:59,870
going to be necessary in a community like ours.

1741
02:37:59,870 --> 02:38:05,450
Most of the MRA area is owned by a few businesses.

1742
02:38:06,690 --> 02:38:12,150
And those businesses aren't going to want to, I mean, they can make proposals, but they're

1743
02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:14,910
not going to want to be told by other businesses how to do business.

1744
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:19,070
I just, I don't really see the benefit to this.

1745
02:38:19,290 --> 02:38:20,990
All I heard was transparency.

1746
02:38:21,930 --> 02:38:24,830
Otherwise, I don't understand what the real benefit is.

1747
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:28,210
Thank you, Councillor Gough.

1748
02:38:28,430 --> 02:38:28,890
Councillor Hankham.

1749
02:38:28,890 --> 02:38:32,870
I want to speak from this, from two perspectives.

1750
02:38:33,870 --> 02:38:38,570
One is as a neophyte being on council.

1751
02:38:40,620 --> 02:38:42,800
I understand the need for transparency.

1752
02:38:43,660 --> 02:38:44,360
I get it.

1753
02:38:44,580 --> 02:38:51,140
And at the same time, we invest so much in communication,

1754
02:38:52,460 --> 02:38:56,180
in having conversations, and having outreach,

1755
02:38:56,180 --> 02:39:05,280
and having forums and having surveys that if we're not being transparent I want

1756
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:08,720
to know what it looks like to someone else because we're back here now five

1757
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:14,620
years later just in the example that we had tonight five years later to finally

1758
02:39:14,620 --> 02:39:20,280
do something that we started five years ago. That's one thing. The second thing is

1759
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:29,720
as a business person who is working because you guys are cool, you've all retired. I'm not very yet.

1760
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:36,500
Having said that, you all know that I will tell you I live and die by my calendar. When I hear

1761
02:39:36,500 --> 02:39:44,320
a five-year commitment as a small business person, you want me to take even more time that I don't have

1762
02:39:44,320 --> 02:39:55,300
to commit to something where I may or may not it may or may not be well received.

1763
02:39:56,040 --> 02:40:04,140
That's a lot and I agree we have boards commissions now that we can't get people

1764
02:40:04,140 --> 02:40:10,380
to serve their civic duty. So now you want to ask a small business to invest

1765
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:19,000
that time as well. So the two things that I see again I think we I think we've

1766
02:40:19,000 --> 02:40:22,900
actually gotten to the point or at least for the year that I've been here people

1767
02:40:22,900 --> 02:40:26,480
tend to know that's one of the questions I'm going to ask is what are we doing to

1768
02:40:26,480 --> 02:40:31,060
inform the community. That's what I'm like what does that look like between the

1769
02:40:31,060 --> 02:40:36,480
emails, the outreach, the billboards, the postings, I don't know what else we can

1770
02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:45,520
do. And again, I speak as a neophyte. So, that's my take. So, oh, to be clear, no.

1771
02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:50,980
Okay. Thank you, Councillor Neill. Councillor Herman.

1772
02:40:51,500 --> 02:41:03,240
Thank you, Chair. I'm very excited about the MRA. And I want to just think Los Almas Main Street for making this possible.

1773
02:41:03,240 --> 02:41:09,780
Jacqueline Connelly, the director worked just tirelessly to make this happen, and I think

1774
02:41:09,780 --> 02:41:13,400
Lois almost and White Rock are going to be great because of this.

1775
02:41:15,720 --> 02:41:22,660
If it's about the transparency, then let's figure out how to improve that.

1776
02:41:23,400 --> 02:41:31,700
We did, in the past, have an economic vitality group that people, business people could engage

1777
02:41:31,700 --> 02:41:38,540
with during COVID, I think just kind of went away and a lot of those people are now on

1778
02:41:38,540 --> 02:41:47,600
an economic development board. But, you know, we can figure out how to improve that.

1779
02:41:47,880 --> 02:41:56,900
I just can't see adding in another layer to make this take more time. It's just adding

1780
02:41:56,900 --> 02:42:03,160
in more complication, especially when the decision ultimately comes down to the people

1781
02:42:03,160 --> 02:42:11,340
sitting here right now. So, you know, I think we can come up with some improvements, but

1782
02:42:12,060 --> 02:42:20,240
no, I don't think we need to add in another commission to the decision making process on this.

1783
02:42:21,610 --> 02:42:23,990
Okay, thank you, Councilor Newman.

1784
02:42:24,390 --> 02:42:26,330
Oh, Councilor, have a great,

1785
02:42:30,190 --> 02:42:32,190
thank you, Chair Reidy.

1786
02:42:34,270 --> 02:42:39,910
You know, part of good governance is transparency and public engagement.

1787
02:42:40,250 --> 02:42:45,710
Part of good governance is also efficiency and effectiveness.

1788
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:53,790
And as I thought about this, and thought about what other communities have done, and thought

1789
02:42:53,790 --> 02:43:01,690
about the scope of work. We have hopefully ahead of us with some MRA applications to fulfill

1790
02:43:01,690 --> 02:43:07,550
the purpose of revitalizing these areas that need better public-private partnership.

1791
02:43:08,770 --> 02:43:16,910
I just don't see how adding a layer of what some might characterize as bureaucracy to the process

1792
02:43:16,910 --> 02:43:18,370
as enough value.

1793
02:43:21,070 --> 02:43:28,530
And I couldn't agree more with Councillor Herman that, and other

1794
02:43:28,530 --> 02:43:35,850
Councillors alluded to it, that what we're hearing is maybe a lack of trust in leadership

1795
02:43:35,850 --> 02:43:43,370
or a lack of confidence that we will be open and transparent about the applications we receive

1796
02:43:43,370 --> 02:43:46,590
and how funds are allocated to applicants.

1797
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:48,330
Well, we can work on that.

1798
02:43:48,490 --> 02:43:50,010
We can do two things at once.

1799
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:55,770
And I think part of the goal is to include business people

1800
02:43:55,770 --> 02:43:58,930
and hear what they have to say about certain applications.

1801
02:43:59,470 --> 02:44:04,290
But the goal also has to be to help the business applicants succeed

1802
02:44:04,290 --> 02:44:05,350
in this process.

1803
02:44:05,430 --> 02:44:07,830
That's really the whole point of this in the first place.

1804
02:44:08,370 --> 02:44:11,330
And I think we want to be putting at fewer barriers,

1805
02:44:11,330 --> 02:44:28,270
not more barriers. So I will also be supporting the Council acting as the advisory body for this process. Thank you.

1806
02:44:31,300 --> 02:44:33,160
I have one more statement. I'm sorry.

1807
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:34,420
Thank you, Councilor.

1808
02:44:36,020 --> 02:44:41,880
The other thing is when we think about other counties, they're much larger than we are.

1809
02:44:41,880 --> 02:44:48,100
I can see that in a larger county, but we see these people as this or at NAMBE.

1810
02:44:48,480 --> 02:44:54,400
So it's not like we're inaccessible and it's not like anybody in Los Alamos is afraid to

1811
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:59,160
talk to you when you're trying to run the UPS. You know, they'll stop you and have conversations.

1812
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,960
Well, again, we're really small and one of the things I've said to people I'm with on occasion. I can't do anything about it. And here in this town, they are not afraid to tell you anything about anything.

1813
02:45:16,890 --> 02:45:24,030
I just had one more comment in response to some of the other things that I heard.

1814
02:45:25,330 --> 02:45:30,190
And you know, one of the things that I think we should keep in mind is that we're already

1815
02:45:31,090 --> 02:45:35,410
trying to define what the members of this commission would be.

1816
02:45:36,750 --> 02:45:47,210
And like other boards that we have, you know, we have a lot of different boards and we have a lot of people with a lot of expertise.

1817
02:45:48,290 --> 02:46:04,660
And I don't think that, you know, by us determining that it has to be small business owners on this commission is necessarily, you know, a fair.

1818
02:46:04,660 --> 02:46:08,880
You know, it's not a fair assessment of what this commission could be.

1819
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:15,500
I think we need to define just the criteria, people can have experience and not be a small

1820
02:46:15,500 --> 02:46:21,840
business owner, you know, but they can still have relevant experience and maybe they're retired

1821
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:29,060
as well, you know. And they have another way to contribute. Yes, we've had some challenges

1822
02:46:29,060 --> 02:46:37,320
with LTAB right now with attendance, but I don't think that we should just base it on some

1823
02:46:37,320 --> 02:46:45,240
of the challenges that a current board is having. I think that the amount of workload and the

1824
02:46:45,240 --> 02:46:49,660
level of detail that's needed isn't necessarily a councillor's job.

1825
02:46:52,500 --> 02:46:54,200
Then there's the argument,

1826
02:46:54,200 --> 02:46:58,740
And, well, if we're going to do this, why don't we take away other words too and just

1827
02:46:58,740 --> 02:47:00,940
do those jobs too, you know?

1828
02:47:01,500 --> 02:47:07,100
We make the final decisions on all those things, you know, instead of having people make

1829
02:47:07,100 --> 02:47:12,680
recommendations and bring them to us, why aren't we making the final decisions on everything?

1830
02:47:12,840 --> 02:47:16,980
We'll just start reviewing everything, you know?

1831
02:47:17,540 --> 02:47:19,140
We just don't have that time.

1832
02:47:19,140 --> 02:47:26,980
And so, you know, I know there's always a concern about, you know, developing something new,

1833
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:30,860
but I think this is a certain kind of expertise that we need.

1834
02:47:31,480 --> 02:47:38,020
And I don't know that, you know, our counselors have the time to devote to this either, you know,

1835
02:47:38,140 --> 02:47:44,220
when we're talking about individual guidance to people who want to fill out an application

1836
02:47:44,220 --> 02:47:50,540
and go through the process and vet everything, you know,

1837
02:47:50,780 --> 02:47:56,200
loot all the competition for, you know, all the applicants, you know,

1838
02:47:57,220 --> 02:48:03,600
I just don't know that that's something that we should be doing at a council level.

1839
02:48:04,520 --> 02:48:11,940
So I would still recommend that we consider how we're operating

1840
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:17,140
with all our different boards and commissions and try to do something similar.

1841
02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:24,800
I do realize it takes more time and, you know, yes, we could make the same

1842
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:29,260
argument for every other board and commission that we have. It takes more time.

1843
02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:35,200
But, you know, what's the justification for all those boards and commissions? There

1844
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:44,620
is there is a reason why they're there and do we use them or do we not and we should be consistent.

1845
02:48:45,220 --> 02:48:51,300
Thank you. Thank you council hand. So I'll just say a couple more things.

1846
02:48:53,120 --> 02:49:00,620
Yeah I it's been it's come up I think for years now with a question about you know

1847
02:49:00,620 --> 02:49:03,840
we would have an independent, like a commission,

1848
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:11,060
economic board, but I guess the another kind of question

1849
02:49:11,060 --> 02:49:14,760
I've been mulling about is when other communities

1850
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:17,020
have these kind of boards, do they,

1851
02:49:17,640 --> 02:49:20,140
and I know when I can close, they have like a whole process

1852
02:49:20,140 --> 02:49:22,560
it's laid out, like a pre-application and application.

1853
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:25,400
So they have forms that are filled out,

1854
02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:29,340
and I don't believe that the economic incentive board

1855
02:49:29,340 --> 02:49:34,620
is like they're not holding like a public meeting and it's not like an office hours and people come in,

1856
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:39,820
I got a project I want to do. They approach somebody in the county government that understands

1857
02:49:39,820 --> 02:49:45,100
the requirements and that's the people that that would be vetting. That's been one of the concerns

1858
02:49:45,100 --> 02:49:49,620
is like that, but that's no, that's just the person that has a project has to understand

1859
02:49:50,360 --> 02:49:56,280
like my feeling is out correctly. Can you recommend this or not? And we had the discussion about even

1860
02:49:56,280 --> 02:50:01,280
leader projects that, you know, maybe there's a leader project and it goes for the process

1861
02:50:01,280 --> 02:50:09,100
and it gets no recommendation from the county manager. But we still can see it, right?

1862
02:50:09,260 --> 02:50:12,900
I mean, it doesn't have very strong support then because it has no recommendation.

1863
02:50:13,620 --> 02:50:18,800
And I look at that the same way with the MRA is I think that, you know, if there was the MRAs and

1864
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:24,000
the other thing I think is the throughput. I think it's the size of the county or we've had the MRA

1865
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:28,300
and White Rock since 2022,

1866
02:50:30,690 --> 02:50:36,310
it's now 2026, I think, so it's been like four years, and

1867
02:50:36,310 --> 02:50:40,170
there were questions like, oh, it is, there's not like a form you can fill out on the web,

1868
02:50:40,470 --> 02:50:46,690
but it's been around for a while, and we haven't had, you know, an ink has been cementraced

1869
02:50:47,270 --> 02:50:54,670
in having, you know, MRE applications, just like we have leaders, we just had a leader last

1870
02:50:56,270 --> 02:50:57,050
meeting, right?

1871
02:50:59,070 --> 02:51:01,610
That worked, I think, and then they had the previous

1872
02:51:01,610 --> 02:51:06,350
lead-in, and then they asked for some more money, and nobody here was

1873
02:51:06,350 --> 02:51:10,630
negotiating. Well, here's what they'd come with what they want, and then they

1874
02:51:10,630 --> 02:51:15,150
basically say, is that fit into the framework we have or not? It's not like staff

1875
02:51:15,150 --> 02:51:20,150
are looking around and saying, well, I think you should go develop that.

1876
02:51:21,390 --> 02:51:26,130
Nobody's doing that. The people that own the properties are coming to other

1877
02:51:26,130 --> 02:51:31,690
people and saying, I want to do this project, and here's what the money I need is, and

1878
02:51:31,690 --> 02:51:35,490
how much of that is legitimately a public function.

1879
02:51:36,410 --> 02:51:39,290
And so that's not happening at an economic incentive board.

1880
02:51:39,850 --> 02:51:40,730
That's already filled out.

1881
02:51:40,830 --> 02:51:42,550
I mean, they know what that is.

1882
02:51:43,150 --> 02:51:48,350
So I don't understand, I'm just trying to wrap my head on around that comment.

1883
02:51:48,490 --> 02:51:53,230
I think that there's still going to be meetings of staff with people that want to apply for

1884
02:51:53,230 --> 02:51:53,790
funds.

1885
02:51:54,670 --> 02:51:59,470
whether or not we add another board or commission or not, right?

1886
02:51:59,930 --> 02:52:03,170
So I just don't know, so as I'm getting into what is the marginal benefit.

1887
02:52:03,390 --> 02:52:08,030
I understand, yeah, there could be some benefit if we had enough applications

1888
02:52:08,930 --> 02:52:13,110
to having a bigger group of people and it could be whoever we decide.

1889
02:52:13,950 --> 02:52:19,170
But if we look at like the city of Santa Fe they had really pretty specific qualifications

1890
02:52:19,170 --> 02:52:21,270
and of course they have a lot more people to choose from.

1891
02:52:21,270 --> 02:52:27,510
So they had a number of basically positions identified, which like our planning and zoning

1892
02:52:27,510 --> 02:52:33,150
commission, we've had the same, you know, should there be like general pop general citizen

1893
02:52:33,150 --> 02:52:38,830
members and then members that understand development code like their developers or contractors, we

1894
02:52:38,830 --> 02:52:39,270
don't do that.

1895
02:52:39,450 --> 02:52:43,670
It's just like anybody that's available and some people have experience and some people don't.

1896
02:52:44,030 --> 02:52:48,490
And we weigh that when we have applications and sometimes, you know, there aren't a lot

1897
02:52:48,490 --> 02:52:53,790
people that have a huge number of qualifications that apply for the boards. So if we're going

1898
02:52:53,790 --> 02:52:58,450
to be having a commission and we're not really sure, I mean, that's the concern I have,

1899
02:52:58,550 --> 02:53:02,230
like who's going to apply what qualifications they have.

1900
02:53:04,270 --> 02:53:05,390
And if we're going to keep doing

1901
02:53:05,390 --> 02:53:09,670
what we're doing, that's what I ask that question. Because I think we have at least one application

1902
02:53:09,670 --> 02:53:13,750
and one applicant they can talk to us instead. I'm just really concerned about you doing this.

1903
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:20,570
So those are my concerns, I understand, but I think that people still need to meet

1904
02:53:20,570 --> 02:53:23,950
with county staff to discuss their projects.

1905
02:53:25,610 --> 02:53:30,730
So that has to happen, and frankly, those aren't public meetings.

1906
02:53:31,930 --> 02:53:38,290
Those are meetings, it's like, well, then every conversation everyone has is a public meeting.

1907
02:53:38,970 --> 02:53:41,850
That isn't what a public meeting is, public meeting is like right now, we're sitting

1908
02:53:41,850 --> 02:53:42,110
here.

1909
02:53:42,110 --> 02:53:44,970
And it's like you have it. If you have an economic and

1910
02:53:44,970 --> 02:53:49,210
Senate board or you have an metropolitan redevelopment commission, those

1911
02:53:49,210 --> 02:53:53,530
meetings are public, just like the transportation board, planning and zoning

1912
02:53:53,530 --> 02:53:58,830
and LTAB. But if they're just doing an advisory, then I have another

1913
02:53:58,830 --> 02:54:03,990
issues like then it has to come back to us. So I go back to the suggestions I've

1914
02:54:03,990 --> 02:54:11,690
heard about. Well, maybe the process can be... I think it's maybe okay that it

1915
02:54:11,690 --> 02:54:14,350
could be only things that will process these can always be improved, right?

1916
02:54:15,950 --> 02:54:20,270
I think the county management board has a list of lead-to-projects, right, that are

1917
02:54:20,270 --> 02:54:26,030
ongoing. So there is really no list of MRI projects, I think. I think that there's

1918
02:54:26,030 --> 02:54:33,410
like one that hasn't started yet as a project. They want to get it going. But yeah, that could

1919
02:54:33,410 --> 02:54:39,890
be added. We can be tracking those. And then we can ask, but if somebody has a project,

1920
02:54:39,890 --> 02:54:46,130
they can't be required to come and like, you know, to a council meeting and present their project,

1921
02:54:46,130 --> 02:54:51,550
but we can encourage them. So, this will really be a lot better, like, as you alluded to, people

1922
02:54:51,550 --> 02:54:57,950
want to know what's going on. So, and if we had a night when there was a bike park, there might be a

1923
02:54:57,950 --> 02:55:02,870
lot of people listening, right? Most of the time we don't have a lot of people listening to council

1924
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:06,930
meetings. I'm sure there's a lot of people online and listening to the recording, but

1925
02:55:09,890 --> 02:55:15,790
You know, we can do, we can say that, you know, we were expecting like public meetings.

1926
02:55:16,470 --> 02:55:20,630
If you're going to be asking for MRA funding, we're expecting public meetings.

1927
02:55:21,270 --> 02:55:29,250
We're expecting you to be telling, you know, having news articles and writing press releases about your project, updating the community and what's going on.

1928
02:55:29,690 --> 02:55:33,930
And certainly communicating with wherever is within your project.

1929
02:55:33,930 --> 02:55:43,290
I can't control that at all but they can control what communication they provide to the people within their project and they should be working with them already.

1930
02:55:46,670 --> 02:56:01,270
So I've, I guess I was asked this question at the first like workshop we had about the MRA and downtown LA about, you know, I think we need a commission and I said I didn't, I didn't think so.

1931
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:19,010
And I mean, we still don't have the number of projects where we couldn't do the work, and if we're going to have to ultimately approve it anyway, I'm just wondering, I'm still wondering what the benefit is of having some additional, if it's not going to happen right away, when would it happen?

1932
02:56:19,650 --> 02:56:26,390
You know, we're going to go to the work of doing an ordinance, having commission, and then requiring, I mean, it's interesting.

1933
02:56:26,970 --> 02:56:29,070
there's one of the positions that starts over one year,

1934
02:56:29,930 --> 02:56:31,470
and then they have two and three years.

1935
02:56:31,710 --> 02:56:33,770
But ultimately, that person on the one year position

1936
02:56:33,770 --> 02:56:36,990
is then expected to apply for a five-year appointment,

1937
02:56:38,570 --> 02:56:43,410
which we have difficulty getting people to apply for boards,

1938
02:56:43,770 --> 02:56:46,770
like the BPU, where they have to do a five-year commitment.

1939
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There are some people, but they're retired people.

1940
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:53,070
And I think we want to have like some other people

1941
02:56:53,070 --> 02:56:55,470
and engaged in helping us make these decisions.

1942
02:56:56,670 --> 02:56:59,250
So, I apologize for being a bit long-winded there,

1943
02:56:59,390 --> 02:57:03,150
but I mean, this has been, I'm concerned about, you know,

1944
02:57:04,210 --> 02:57:09,150
that people sense that there's lack of transparency

1945
02:57:09,150 --> 02:57:13,550
and accountability, but I don't think

1946
02:57:13,550 --> 02:57:16,930
that the commission solves that problem.

1947
02:57:17,970 --> 02:57:21,940
So, okay, I've talked enough.

1948
02:57:21,940 --> 02:57:46,250
So, that's really a relevant thing. I'm thinking about a board that's actually where you can get people to get enthusiastic about that service because they have a tiny little corner and very little authority and they make, you know, the recommendations would be very small in any case.

1949
02:57:46,250 --> 02:57:51,690
So, I don't know about that. That's not really a relevant thing. I think about a board

1950
02:57:51,690 --> 02:57:55,690
that's actually where you can get people that are enthusiastic about making a difference

1951
02:57:55,690 --> 02:58:01,310
in the community, and they could come out and try to participate in helping projects

1952
02:58:01,310 --> 02:58:06,930
get developed that are really important economically. And especially the part where you're interfacing

1953
02:58:06,930 --> 02:58:13,250
to private capital. And I guess I don't have enough experience to count all of this, but

1954
02:58:13,250 --> 02:58:18,790
But I think the new 20th Street Project is another one of these things that maybe if we

1955
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:22,570
had good advisors who were business people, they would say it's a little bit complicated

1956
02:58:23,050 --> 02:58:27,130
and capital intensive for our community and it's probably not going to happen.

1957
02:58:27,970 --> 02:58:32,910
Just as the previous Marriott Project, the 20th Street Project, the last generation of it,

1958
02:58:33,230 --> 02:58:37,230
just was sitting there, it never really failed in a true sense.

1959
02:58:37,430 --> 02:58:42,510
It just sat there until we bought out their options and went on to new people.

1960
02:58:42,510 --> 02:58:46,350
and these new guys, I don't know if they're going to be successful either, they're very

1961
02:58:46,350 --> 02:58:53,310
elaborate projects that look to me as though if I had a good business guy advising me,

1962
02:58:53,450 --> 02:58:57,570
I would maybe we would look at it differently. If we had good business people advising as people

1963
02:58:57,570 --> 02:59:02,690
that knew finance and stuff, we might pick a different kind of picture to how to do that.

1964
02:59:03,890 --> 02:59:09,730
And so I think we have in the past and of course nobody was here but that except probably Randy.

1965
02:59:09,730 --> 02:59:14,150
But it happened even before I was on the council on the first time that that came through.

1966
02:59:14,890 --> 02:59:20,150
And so I'm thinking with all of this MRA and lead a capabilities we can really make

1967
02:59:20,150 --> 02:59:27,210
a change and we can recruit people who are really interested in it because we are giving

1968
02:59:27,210 --> 02:59:34,030
this new authorities to pick projects that they want to push ahead and help get the applications

1969
02:59:34,030 --> 02:59:37,490
into conditions so they can get satisfied the state law.

1970
02:59:38,390 --> 02:59:44,570
And that's the kind of thing that we should, we need that kind of advice to the council.

1971
02:59:45,870 --> 02:59:49,430
So I certainly hope all of our current housing projects go through.

1972
02:59:50,090 --> 02:59:53,750
I think that some of them are simpler and more structured to be successful.

1973
02:59:54,370 --> 02:59:58,210
But then our business development projects, I don't know when that's going to happen.

1974
02:59:58,970 --> 02:59:59,970
And I think we need to

1975
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:28,200
We have people advising us on what is really practical, and I think ignoring this for the MRA is the same as ignoring it for LIDA, that I don't know how we really end up in a good spot. I don't think it'll happen. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Riger. Okay, any other good, not seeing anyone else, so I think we're at the point for public comment.

1976
03:00:28,200 --> 03:00:29,320
Well,

1977
03:00:38,940 --> 03:00:45,880
I'm Lisa Shin, I'm at 6747th Street, I guess the concern that I have is if we don't

1978
03:00:45,880 --> 03:00:52,240
do this commission, right, then it would be a review committee and that review committee

1979
03:00:52,240 --> 03:01:00,340
is internal and it's only county staff and that's on page 10 of the MRA handbook and so

1980
03:01:00,340 --> 03:01:06,000
the committee would evaluate an application within 30 days and then the project meeting criteria

1981
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:12,040
recommended a council. Council would consider the MRA ordinance over two

1982
03:01:12,040 --> 03:01:15,320
public beings first for the introduction and second for the approval and

1983
03:01:15,320 --> 03:01:23,400
adoption. That just seems rather vast to me. I just want the assurance that the

1984
03:01:23,400 --> 03:01:31,340
public does have adequate time to review the application and provide meaningful

1985
03:01:31,340 --> 03:01:38,600
input that matters. I just kind of feel like the way it's set up now, it's very fast. You have

1986
03:01:38,600 --> 03:01:48,680
an application, you have the county-led review committee, and I know Councillor Colle had mentioned

1987
03:01:48,680 --> 03:01:54,160
that business owners don't want other businesses telling them what to do. It's not about business

1988
03:01:54,160 --> 03:01:59,800
telling each other what to do. It's more about having that small business experience and having

1989
03:01:59,800 --> 03:02:05,900
input and understanding how the economy works here in Los Alamos and so you

1990
03:02:05,900 --> 03:02:14,620
can provide advice that can be very effective. You know when as far as are

1991
03:02:14,620 --> 03:02:20,300
being a small town you know like Clovis is only about 10,000 people more than us

1992
03:02:20,300 --> 03:02:24,880
and they have a steering committee where I think there's like seven business

1993
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:29,280
owners that are part of the MRA process and they work closely with the

1994
03:02:29,280 --> 03:02:36,440
the county staff and the county manager or I'm sorry the mayor to really discuss these

1995
03:02:36,440 --> 03:02:46,180
projects and the steering committee is invited to all the meetings and so you know moving

1996
03:02:46,180 --> 03:02:51,580
forward I just kind of feel like as far as the review committee it would be great to have

1997
03:02:51,580 --> 03:02:56,580
public invited to all the meetings of the review committee that's one thing that you could

1998
03:02:56,580 --> 03:03:01,600
do right away to improve the transparency. Also, the other thing you could do is make sure

1999
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:08,220
that all the Zoom meetings between county staff and potential applicants are recorded

2000
03:03:08,220 --> 03:03:13,580
and accessible to the public. That's one thing that hasn't been done. And I do believe

2001
03:03:13,580 --> 03:03:17,920
that all residents and property owners within the MRA should be invited to all future meetings

2002
03:03:17,920 --> 03:03:24,120
of the review committee. I just feel like many of us feel like we've been left in the dark.

2003
03:03:24,120 --> 03:03:30,380
We didn't understand that Columbus Capital was asking for $30 million, $50 million in public funds.

2004
03:03:32,020 --> 03:03:39,020
I know that in 800 Trinity, Christian Science and top nails, the owner of top nails and myself,

2005
03:03:39,020 --> 03:03:44,200
we feel like we've all been left in the dark. So I would just like to see more openness and

2006
03:03:44,200 --> 03:03:47,620
transparency with whatever happens with the MRA. Thank you very much.

2007
03:03:47,620 --> 03:03:51,400
Okay. Thank you, Dr. Shen. Do we have anyone else?

2008
03:03:51,880 --> 03:03:53,380
Is everyone else on line?

2009
03:03:56,790 --> 03:03:57,910
There is, Chair.

2010
03:04:01,550 --> 03:04:03,630
Jeffrey, you should be able to unmute.

2011
03:04:03,890 --> 03:04:07,430
Please state your full name and limit your comments to three minutes.

2012
03:04:08,050 --> 03:04:10,570
Yeah, I am Jeffrey Branch with Columbus Capital,

2013
03:04:10,810 --> 03:04:13,690
over the owners of the Mary Mack Shopping Center

2014
03:04:13,690 --> 03:04:17,170
and the adjacent Olson properties as well.

2015
03:04:23,360 --> 03:04:23,600
Please.

2016
03:04:23,600 --> 03:04:28,440
Right. Well Councilmembers thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. Obviously

2017
03:04:28,440 --> 03:04:34,960
we're probably the largest property owner within the MRA. We were invited by the county

2018
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:42,420
to come in 2000, roughly 2021 or 22 by Joni Adler, who was just a great ambassador for

2019
03:04:42,420 --> 03:04:47,700
the county back then with a request that some development come to the community in terms

2020
03:04:47,700 --> 03:04:55,540
the housing and retail, hotel, hospitality, these type of things, and it was something that

2021
03:04:55,540 --> 03:05:01,860
we were quite excited about trying to help, and it's been a haul, and for those of you that

2022
03:05:01,860 --> 03:05:06,900
have followed through the transparency with the number of meetings we've had in the business

2023
03:05:06,900 --> 03:05:13,360
community with residents, and yes, we have been meeting with staff, and those meetings generally aren't

2024
03:05:13,360 --> 03:05:16,680
public meetings, but we're trying to understand the MRA process.

2025
03:05:17,360 --> 03:05:19,720
The MRA process did take a long time.

2026
03:05:19,960 --> 03:05:23,840
It's taken a few years, and we've been very patient in trying to get that done.

2027
03:05:24,560 --> 03:05:29,800
We've committed over $16 million into the community already between Mary Mack and the

2028
03:05:29,800 --> 03:05:34,660
adjacent properties, and we're already underway with our schematic designs.

2029
03:05:35,060 --> 03:05:37,280
Interest rates have doubled during this period.

2030
03:05:37,940 --> 03:05:41,980
Construction costs are very difficult and was all almost, and that's probably why you all

2031
03:05:41,980 --> 03:05:47,020
don't see the kind of development you'd like to see because the trades are

2032
03:05:47,020 --> 03:05:52,360
coming from Albuquerque. So it's been a haul but we had done our best to really

2033
03:05:52,360 --> 03:05:57,140
be transparent to the community of what we're doing. There is an article in the

2034
03:05:57,140 --> 03:06:03,040
LA report reporter today that kind of really lays out where we're at, where we've

2035
03:06:03,040 --> 03:06:07,920
been for those of you that don't know. And so we've we're at that stage where

2036
03:06:07,920 --> 03:06:11,700
we're ready to submit an application. We have been visiting with staff, staff

2037
03:06:11,700 --> 03:06:16,760
does have legal counsel. We have legal counsel so that we can craft something that can come before

2038
03:06:16,760 --> 03:06:23,520
your body that hopefully works for the community. We have not put a formal ask in place obviously

2039
03:06:23,520 --> 03:06:29,540
because there's no application. So Ms. Shins comment with regards to what we're doing about that is

2040
03:06:29,540 --> 03:06:37,780
false. We're at a critical stage here so you know changing the direction of where we're going with

2041
03:06:37,780 --> 03:06:42,700
this thing could really risk our project. We are right at the doorsteps of submitting

2042
03:06:42,700 --> 03:06:49,260
an application and hopefully fairly soon come in before this body to discuss what our

2043
03:06:49,260 --> 03:06:54,060
ask is and how we intend in achieving that. But it's a critical step in our process, otherwise

2044
03:06:54,060 --> 03:07:03,100
we wouldn't be here. So I just want to respectfully urge that you not put this step in place because

2045
03:07:03,100 --> 03:07:05,180
is it could be a real problem?

2046
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:07,000
And we just thank you for your time

2047
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:07,880
and your consideration.

2048
03:07:09,640 --> 03:07:10,640
Thank you, Mr. Branch.

2049
03:07:18,600 --> 03:07:20,940
Greg, you should be able to unmute, please,

2050
03:07:21,120 --> 03:07:23,080
state your full name and limit your comments

2051
03:07:23,680 --> 03:07:24,640
to three minutes.

2052
03:07:26,980 --> 03:07:27,620
Thank you.

2053
03:07:27,860 --> 03:07:29,260
My name is Greg Gonzales.

2054
03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:34,000
I'm also with Columbus Capital and owner of part owner

2055
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:39,560
of the property at 3,500 Central.

2056
03:07:41,020 --> 03:07:47,200
Incorporating a project into the MRA is a very complicated process.

2057
03:07:47,720 --> 03:07:51,120
I mean, it's going to address issues of economic development.

2058
03:07:51,840 --> 03:08:00,060
It's going to include land use, public infrastructure, traffic, and definitely have financial and legal implications.

2059
03:08:00,900 --> 03:08:06,120
The challenge with establishing a board, an independent board commission for that,

2060
03:08:06,120 --> 03:08:11,740
that is trying to find somebody with expertise in all those areas.

2061
03:08:13,500 --> 03:08:20,380
The benefit that council has as oversight is they have direct access to the experts

2062
03:08:20,380 --> 03:08:23,380
that we all all trust and that is staff.

2063
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:28,740
I mean, there's a public infrastructure division, there's a land use division, there's economic

2064
03:08:28,740 --> 03:08:29,500
development.

2065
03:08:31,100 --> 03:08:42,180
So an independent commission will also introduce delays and the implements of projects that the MRA was created for in the first place.

2066
03:08:43,460 --> 03:08:59,060
With respect to transparency and protecting the interests of the county in relation to the MRA, I think it goes without saying that there's no entity that's going to protect the transparency of the county.

2067
03:08:59,060 --> 03:09:03,880
and the county's interest as vehemently as this county council.

2068
03:09:05,220 --> 03:09:18,740
Therefore, I also request the council not vote to create a separate commission or introduce another layer of bureaucracy to implement this MRA,

2069
03:09:18,740 --> 03:09:24,340
which is a complicated process to begin with

2070
03:09:25,060 --> 03:09:27,680
and it would be better not to implement

2071
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:28,940
any more complications.

2072
03:09:29,560 --> 03:09:30,480
I thank you for your time.

2073
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:32,580
Thank you, Ms. Gonzalez.

2074
03:09:38,380 --> 03:09:42,300
A user identified as iPad,

2075
03:09:43,420 --> 03:09:45,360
you should be able to unmute,

2076
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:46,980
please state your full name

2077
03:09:46,980 --> 03:09:48,820
and limit your comments to three minutes.

2078
03:09:49,520 --> 03:09:51,320
Hi, this is Phil Gersky.

2079
03:09:51,320 --> 03:10:00,000
We will note that I am representative for an infiliated with the development project at

2080
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:09,240
Longview in White Rock, and we too will be making an MRA request with respect to one of

2081
03:10:09,240 --> 03:10:10,440
the phases of operation.

2082
03:10:11,180 --> 03:10:16,960
And I share a lot of the same concerns that that Jeff and Greg have on the complication

2083
03:10:16,960 --> 03:10:17,620
of the process.

2084
03:10:17,620 --> 03:10:28,560
And I think for purposes of elucidation, we still must go through every land use, development code,

2085
03:10:28,940 --> 03:10:33,260
building permit and other requirements that are necessary for development.

2086
03:10:33,980 --> 03:10:39,780
The requirements that are in the MRA and the tools at the MRA are largely financial tools

2087
03:10:39,780 --> 03:10:44,100
and specific kinds of development tools that are useful

2088
03:10:44,100 --> 03:10:50,600
and maybe helpful in making a project more feasible, but they are really almost

2089
03:10:50,600 --> 03:10:56,180
exclusively financial or financially tied. If you look at the state statute,

2090
03:10:56,440 --> 03:11:01,020
there are quite a few things that even if you adopted a commission that cannot be

2091
03:11:01,020 --> 03:11:05,860
decided by a commission, they must be decided by the council, including funding,

2092
03:11:06,380 --> 03:11:12,060
taxation, assessments, various kinds of bonding and other kinds of things that are

2093
03:11:12,060 --> 03:11:18,040
necessary for a large request under the MRA. I think that the staff that you have are the

2094
03:11:18,040 --> 03:11:23,500
people that we work with, and I do have a suggestion. If you have the suggestion, I think that

2095
03:11:23,500 --> 03:11:29,620
that Commissioner Call has put out and I think was put before is the practice that you've now had

2096
03:11:29,620 --> 03:11:35,020
of having an additional public meeting ahead of the introduction of the ordinances is a very useful

2097
03:11:35,020 --> 03:11:41,540
tool for public application. And I would suggest that as you have the application for an MRA,

2098
03:11:42,600 --> 03:11:51,940
that you make use of your public portal, the same one you use for all applications for planning and zoning approvals, building permits.

2099
03:11:52,460 --> 03:12:00,300
Have those applications be part of that portal, and that means all that information is public at the time.

2100
03:12:00,320 --> 03:12:04,140
Everything that's relevant to the application will be available all the time to the public.

2101
03:12:04,140 --> 03:12:34,120
I think if you take those two steps, there's never going to be a time when you won't be able to track publicly as a citizen or somebody who's interested, those kinds of things, and we certainly feel like from our perspective that this would be a much more, this is a more productive transparency and presentation, and it will label us to work with the technical and legal and accounting and public engineering questions that would come up in the MRA.

2102
03:12:34,120 --> 03:12:41,600
more effectively and to present those in a completed form ahead of the approval for your ordinance and with the ordinance as well.

2103
03:12:42,200 --> 03:12:51,480
So we would respectfully request that they not that you not adopt a separate MRI commission for this county at this point.

2104
03:12:52,060 --> 03:12:52,520
Thank you.

2105
03:12:54,060 --> 03:12:55,840
Okay, thank you, Mr. Persky.

2106
03:12:57,120 --> 03:12:58,060
There's no other.

2107
03:13:00,330 --> 03:13:01,570
Chair, they seem more hands-guised.

2108
03:13:02,370 --> 03:13:02,670
Thank you.

2109
03:13:03,330 --> 03:13:07,610
So, I guess, is there a Councillor and she are making a motion?

2110
03:13:08,610 --> 03:13:09,030
Councillor Kerman?

2111
03:13:09,910 --> 03:13:13,210
I move that Council take no further action and maintain Council

2112
03:13:13,210 --> 03:13:17,270
as the governing decision-making body for MRA funding requests.

2113
03:13:18,050 --> 03:13:18,270
Second.

2114
03:13:19,830 --> 03:13:23,350
Okay, so we have a motion by Councillor Kerman,

2115
03:13:23,350 --> 03:13:27,610
second by Councillor Neill Clinton. Do we have any further discussion?

2116
03:13:30,830 --> 03:13:31,650
It's cool.

2117
03:13:32,350 --> 03:13:41,610
Yeah, I'd just like to, if we can ask county manager to inform the potential applicants

2118
03:13:41,610 --> 03:13:49,890
that they will be encouraged, maybe, to present proposals to council and an open meeting to

2119
03:13:49,890 --> 03:13:53,910
allow public comment, I think that would be good.

2120
03:13:53,910 --> 03:13:53,970
Good.

2121
03:13:54,490 --> 03:13:55,650
I think it's a call.

2122
03:13:55,850 --> 03:14:01,110
I think that's great suggestion, and so we probably can't technically write that in,

2123
03:14:01,270 --> 03:14:08,270
but I guess if it's possible to, unless they opt not to, for some reason, there's more

2124
03:14:08,270 --> 03:14:08,670
urgency.

2125
03:14:09,310 --> 03:14:10,450
Chair, ready, Councillor Cove?

2126
03:14:10,450 --> 03:14:12,250
We'll take that forward and put an inch practice.

2127
03:14:12,510 --> 03:14:12,690
Thank you.

2128
03:14:12,730 --> 03:14:12,930
Okay.

2129
03:14:13,170 --> 03:14:13,370
Thank you.

2130
03:14:13,630 --> 03:14:13,850
Okay.

2131
03:14:14,170 --> 03:14:15,390
So, I appreciate that.

2132
03:14:16,730 --> 03:14:19,150
So, I see no other comments.

2133
03:14:20,170 --> 03:14:21,590
So, can we have the other roll call?

2134
03:14:23,130 --> 03:14:33,910
Councillor Rieger. No. Councillor Cole. Yes. Councillor Habiman. Yes. Councillor

2135
03:14:33,910 --> 03:14:41,190
Herman. Yes. Councillor Riding. Yes. Councillor Neil Clinton. Yes. Councillor

2136
03:14:41,190 --> 03:14:48,170
Hand. No. Motion passes. Five, two, with Councillor Rieger and hand voting against.

2137
03:14:48,170 --> 03:14:55,470
Let the record show with motion passes with counselors handing rigor opposed.

2138
03:14:56,430 --> 03:14:57,470
Okay, so

2139
03:15:00,690 --> 03:15:30,290
We'll also check the time at 9 o'clock, it's 9.25. I believe. So I think we can get through the rest of what we need to do. There's only a couple more items. So 9.E is AGR 1196-26, discussion and possible approval of agreement number AGR 26-858 for the purchase of public safety.

2140
03:15:30,290 --> 03:15:35,110
50-50 systems and related services from ACES on Enterprise Incorporated.

2141
03:15:36,450 --> 03:15:44,890
For an amount not to exceed $6 million, $26,000, $39.59 for a 10-year period.

2142
03:15:45,450 --> 03:15:46,750
We have the Chiefs come along here.

2143
03:15:49,080 --> 03:15:49,960
Thank you, Chair.

2144
03:15:50,120 --> 03:15:50,460
Council.

2145
03:15:51,660 --> 03:15:56,760
Quickly, I'd like to just recognize and thank a few people, Desiree Miranda, who helps me

2146
03:15:56,760 --> 03:16:02,360
and my office put this together with Darryl and procurement.

2147
03:16:04,530 --> 03:16:08,740
Commander Ross has been with me since the beginning in evaluating this platform.

2148
03:16:11,470 --> 03:16:19,720
Deputy County Manager, Madison, who helped us put this together in the 11th hour to make sure we met our deadlines.

2149
03:16:20,400 --> 03:16:22,820
And of course, the County Manager's guidance.

2150
03:16:22,820 --> 03:16:31,460
This is a 10-year fixed-cost public safety technology program that bundles body camera

2151
03:16:31,460 --> 03:16:39,080
in-car videos, interview room recording, LPRs, digital evidence management, AI tools,

2152
03:16:39,640 --> 03:16:46,900
training, warranties, and ongoing support into a predictable single agreement.

2153
03:16:49,810 --> 03:17:02,650
As you indicated, Chair, the cost is over 6 million over 10 years, however, let me back

2154
03:17:02,650 --> 03:17:02,870
up.

2155
03:17:03,090 --> 03:17:08,250
What that gets us, it locks in the pricing, it includes scheduled equipment refreshes

2156
03:17:08,250 --> 03:17:14,330
and replacements, it eliminates surprise capital requests, and shares continue to support

2157
03:17:14,330 --> 03:17:15,710
upgrades and warranties.

2158
03:17:16,650 --> 03:17:22,410
The total savings buying it in a bundle is just under 1.5 million.

2159
03:17:23,850 --> 03:17:31,290
The savings are driven by bundle pricing, the term itself, and included lifestyle management.

2160
03:17:33,290 --> 03:17:38,590
What the department receives for this is officer body cameras and docking stations,

2161
03:17:38,590 --> 03:17:45,010
In-car video systems and LPRs, interview room recording systems, digital evidence management,

2162
03:17:45,250 --> 03:17:51,550
AI tools, which include search, reduction, automation, transcription, and translation,

2163
03:17:52,480 --> 03:17:58,250
all of which are anticipated to enhance our efficiency significantly.

2164
03:17:59,450 --> 03:18:05,990
Training implementation and ongoing support, and again, guaranteed technology refreshes,

2165
03:18:05,990 --> 03:18:18,570
For example, at five years we would get all new body one cameras as part of this amount.

2166
03:18:20,630 --> 03:18:23,230
Again, the budget impact is fixed and predictable.

2167
03:18:23,710 --> 03:18:31,110
There's no large spikes or emergency replacement purchases and aligns with long-term budgeting and planning best practices.

2168
03:18:31,110 --> 03:18:42,690
We estimate that if you approve this platform, we could save up to 1.8 million in offsetting

2169
03:18:42,690 --> 03:18:49,650
costs of current platforms that we're currently paying for and harder to quantify, but no

2170
03:18:49,650 --> 03:18:55,810
less important are the efficiencies that we anticipate just in the even the red action

2171
03:18:55,810 --> 03:18:57,150
and transcription itself.

2172
03:18:59,950 --> 03:19:05,170
But we also feel that this will significantly enhance officer

2173
03:19:05,170 --> 03:19:09,210
and community safety. And with

2174
03:19:11,610 --> 03:19:14,890
the translation, for example, you could speak, I think

2175
03:19:14,890 --> 03:19:22,650
it's there up to over 100 different languages now that automatic translation as you're speaking

2176
03:19:22,650 --> 03:19:24,730
with the individual.

2177
03:19:26,770 --> 03:19:36,500
It has a signal sensor in your holster. So if you want holster your weapon,

2178
03:19:37,000 --> 03:19:42,760
your camera automatically turns on and anybody's camera within a 30 foot radius turns on.

2179
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:50,780
So I'm just utilizing the time to show a couple of the features of this which are well

2180
03:19:50,780 --> 03:19:52,160
beyond what we currently have.

2181
03:19:55,020 --> 03:20:01,960
The digital evidence platform allows us to maintain our records

2182
03:20:01,960 --> 03:20:09,380
in a secure cloud-based environment for not only for our criminal cases, but our

2183
03:20:10,640 --> 03:20:18,820
IEPRA requests. It has performance auditing tools. It has community and staff survey tools.

2184
03:20:18,820 --> 03:20:28,560
It has virtual reality training system, it has autotagging CAD-based metadata, which

2185
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:32,100
syncs with the digital evidence platform.

2186
03:20:34,120 --> 03:20:40,340
There's a way to its voluntary, of course, but if we have an incident in a certain neighborhood

2187
03:20:40,340 --> 03:20:48,700
for example, we can publicize a link, people can upload their ring cameras, help us to

2188
03:20:48,700 --> 03:20:56,920
self-crime. They can do that in multiple platforms and this system will take that

2189
03:20:57,980 --> 03:21:05,180
regardless of the extension and put it into a viewable format for us. So for investigative purposes,

2190
03:21:05,480 --> 03:21:06,020
it's huge.

2191
03:21:08,160 --> 03:21:08,880
This

2192
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:16,220
agreement modernizes the department's technology. It does improve safety,

2193
03:21:16,220 --> 03:21:22,800
efficiency and transparency provides cost certainty for the next decade and saves over

2194
03:21:22,800 --> 03:21:29,260
a million dollars compared to purchasing these systems individually to high level overview

2195
03:21:29,260 --> 03:21:30,760
but with that I'll stand for questions.

2196
03:21:32,790 --> 03:21:33,010
Okay.

2197
03:21:33,190 --> 03:21:33,550
Thank you, Chief.

2198
03:21:33,950 --> 03:21:37,730
Do we have any technical or clarifying questions from?

2199
03:21:40,880 --> 03:21:41,060
Okay.

2200
03:21:41,080 --> 03:21:41,320
Sorry.

2201
03:21:41,580 --> 03:21:41,840
Go ahead.

2202
03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:43,880
Chair, thank you, apologies.

2203
03:21:44,220 --> 03:21:51,580
Just one thing I wanted to clarify is the money that we have to spend out over 10 years

2204
03:21:51,580 --> 03:21:56,620
or we're obligated to unless we cancel the contract is about about a million something

2205
03:21:56,620 --> 03:21:59,820
less than what the contract maximum is.

2206
03:22:00,160 --> 03:22:07,780
That's because that contract maximum builds in some penalties because we're given some

2207
03:22:07,780 --> 03:22:13,060
discounts for their long term contract, but if we cancel it, we have some penalties.

2208
03:22:13,800 --> 03:22:18,600
So we actually don't, if we don't cancel the contract, we don't anticipate having to spend

2209
03:22:18,600 --> 03:22:24,260
out all of it. It's about a million plus less than the contract max, but we have to build it in

2210
03:22:24,260 --> 03:22:30,680
our adjusting case. So I just want to clarify that. Okay, thanks for the clarification. Okay, I'm not

2211
03:22:30,680 --> 03:22:32,800
I'm not seeing any questions.

2212
03:22:33,560 --> 03:22:34,080
Oh, yeah.

2213
03:22:34,360 --> 03:22:34,620
I did not.

2214
03:22:34,680 --> 03:22:34,800
Okay.

2215
03:22:34,980 --> 03:22:35,340
Councillor Newcombe.

2216
03:22:35,860 --> 03:22:36,800
No worries.

2217
03:22:37,420 --> 03:22:38,220
I love the chief.

2218
03:22:38,580 --> 03:22:38,900
I look.

2219
03:22:39,340 --> 03:22:40,860
Well, a couple of questions.

2220
03:22:41,500 --> 03:22:46,420
Regarding the body cams, do they run continuously because I notice that you said that

2221
03:22:46,420 --> 03:22:49,220
when they unholster, they auto-engage.

2222
03:22:49,820 --> 03:22:53,360
So does a body cam run continuously or not?

2223
03:22:54,580 --> 03:22:55,440
Chair, right.

2224
03:22:55,680 --> 03:22:56,860
Councillor Newcombe.

2225
03:22:56,860 --> 03:23:05,020
And it does not, it can automate, can be automated to turn on and to activate, but it would

2226
03:23:05,020 --> 03:23:06,680
not be running continuously.

2227
03:23:08,660 --> 03:23:16,260
And one thing about these cameras, the ones we use now, have batteries that you remove,

2228
03:23:16,520 --> 03:23:18,420
these don't, the batteries internal.

2229
03:23:18,420 --> 03:23:36,300
So the estimated shift time or usage time on a shift from the company is about 13 to 13 and a half hours, but I wouldn't anticipate that that's a full run and we don't fully run them for the whole shift anyway.

2230
03:23:36,600 --> 03:23:46,220
So we're confident that from a battery perspective and plus while they're in the vehicle it charges while they're on shift.

2231
03:23:46,220 --> 03:23:51,400
So we're confident from a battery perspective that we're going to run in any issues there.

2232
03:23:52,360 --> 03:23:57,020
I'm going to ask a question in another way. So let's say I'm in a car. I get stopped by the police.

2233
03:23:57,720 --> 03:24:04,080
That camera is in running. It should be at that point. Absolutely. It should be. So there's

2234
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:06,100
possibly there's won't.

2235
03:24:11,080 --> 03:24:16,500
So the camera is running. It's just not actively recording. Once the officer

2236
03:24:16,500 --> 03:24:22,000
hits the button, then it goes back to, I believe it's a 32nd previous before the button activation,

2237
03:24:22,560 --> 03:24:28,140
then it starts recording. And the anchor cameras are the same way, once the lights get activated,

2238
03:24:28,680 --> 03:24:33,880
then it starts recording. So it's constantly running, it's just not recording because of the data

2239
03:24:33,880 --> 03:24:40,840
restrictions. But once that button is activated or the lights are activated, it goes back about 30 seconds,

2240
03:24:40,840 --> 03:24:47,900
holds that video then it plays on. So instead of it automatically engaging the

2241
03:24:47,900 --> 03:24:53,840
officer has the ability to record at their discretion. Yeah and that's our

2242
03:24:53,840 --> 03:24:56,860
policy and that's the state law is anytime we have an interaction with the

2243
03:24:56,860 --> 03:25:02,940
citizen we have to record that interaction. Exactly. Yes. So when we get out of our

2244
03:25:02,940 --> 03:25:06,120
car we're walking up to a house the officers are hitting the button and they

2245
03:25:06,120 --> 03:25:10,700
come on. The feature that chief was talking about is if let's say it's a back

2246
03:25:10,700 --> 03:25:14,740
a officer that comes out and there's already a gun drawn it automatically does

2247
03:25:14,740 --> 03:25:20,700
it sometimes not everybody gets that button or something like that it's just

2248
03:25:20,700 --> 03:25:31,660
a redundancy to ensure that all the cameras are on okay thank you and then so

2249
03:25:31,660 --> 03:25:36,940
that was the other that was the other side of the question what happens if the

2250
03:25:36,940 --> 03:25:44,020
record button isn't pushed and that does happen I mean we're human like

2251
03:25:44,020 --> 03:25:52,400
anybody else but if it's not an automated system and it's not on it's not a

2252
03:25:52,400 --> 03:26:00,440
car stop because we would have it on the in-car camera at that point so it's

2253
03:26:00,440 --> 03:26:04,480
probably just a failure at that point for the officer to engage the camera in a

2254
03:26:04,480 --> 03:26:09,500
citizen encounter. We do have those and we address those.

2255
03:26:12,480 --> 03:26:17,940
We tend to focus on coaching

2256
03:26:17,940 --> 03:26:28,120
efforts first but we will progress that if needed. But in the beginning that was a

2257
03:26:28,120 --> 03:26:33,780
challenge because it was new but anymore we rarely run into a situation where it's more

2258
03:26:33,780 --> 03:26:38,220
often with our current system, it's more often a battery issue where it just runs out.

2259
03:26:39,740 --> 03:26:44,680
Okay. And then I had one more, and

2260
03:26:48,140 --> 03:26:50,420
I can't find, so you're good. Okay.

2261
03:26:54,480 --> 03:26:55,460
So I was interested

2262
03:26:55,460 --> 03:27:03,880
in the, so I think came up about license plate readers. So all the data that you're collecting

2263
03:27:03,880 --> 03:27:08,920
is internal for your department use, but ultimately it's

2264
03:27:08,920 --> 03:27:13,900
favorable, right? So it is not like real time. So I think that was one of the concerns about sharing

2265
03:27:14,620 --> 03:27:21,860
information license plates and who was driving around with external agencies, but that

2266
03:27:21,860 --> 03:27:26,580
could happen anyway regardless of the system. So if you had a license plate or some data,

2267
03:27:27,440 --> 03:27:31,940
that's not restricted from emperor. That's all something that somebody could say,

2268
03:27:31,940 --> 03:27:36,600
I want to know all the plates that were stopped in the last month.

2269
03:27:36,820 --> 03:27:38,140
Is that something that somebody can request?

2270
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:42,380
If they request the chair, right?

2271
03:27:42,560 --> 03:27:47,100
If they request, if the request was, I want to know all of the license plates that were

2272
03:27:47,100 --> 03:27:48,520
stopped, yeah, we could fill that.

2273
03:27:49,080 --> 03:27:49,220
Yeah.

2274
03:27:49,600 --> 03:27:49,820
Okay.

2275
03:27:50,100 --> 03:27:51,280
So that's something that you could get anyway.

2276
03:27:51,400 --> 03:27:55,900
Because I think there were some concerns about more real time sharing of data, but that's

2277
03:27:55,900 --> 03:27:58,380
not something that you would be doing anyway.

2278
03:27:58,380 --> 03:28:01,940
because you'd have to get the request, some day ask a look at it.

2279
03:28:05,080 --> 03:28:05,640
So

2280
03:28:07,980 --> 03:28:08,720
let's see.

2281
03:28:09,000 --> 03:28:09,480
I guess so.

2282
03:28:10,700 --> 03:28:12,260
So you talked about the AI.

2283
03:28:12,600 --> 03:28:17,020
So the AI tool is really to help with, like you mentioned,

2284
03:28:17,420 --> 03:28:19,760
the redactions and going through the video.

2285
03:28:20,380 --> 03:28:23,280
That's again for mainly for Opera.

2286
03:28:24,020 --> 03:28:25,720
That is it for other purposes too.

2287
03:28:25,880 --> 03:28:29,360
Is there some reason you're using AI tools?

2288
03:28:29,360 --> 03:28:34,520
is like what you said about ring cameras that you get external data and you're trying to identify

2289
03:28:34,520 --> 03:28:42,300
somebody and all this data can make a composite and identify the person of interest. Is that what you're

2290
03:28:42,300 --> 03:28:46,240
talking about with AI tools? I'm just trying to get my head around what you're talking with the AI tools.

2291
03:28:46,480 --> 03:28:51,120
Well, there's a cheer right either several. So with

2292
03:28:54,320 --> 03:28:59,300
search, for example, we upload our policy into

2293
03:28:59,300 --> 03:29:04,960
the system and although the employees have access to it anyway, this is just, again, it's

2294
03:29:04,960 --> 03:29:11,120
a one-stop shop and it's an easier platform, but if they have a policy issue, they would

2295
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:15,880
just type that word into the system and it brings up the relevant policy.

2296
03:29:17,400 --> 03:29:28,910
I suppose you could, again, have the same functionality with even word but with 800 pages of policy

2297
03:29:28,910 --> 03:29:31,950
see, I think this will help streamline that a little bit.

2298
03:29:33,030 --> 03:29:39,950
With automation, that can help with report writing, can help the officers actually write

2299
03:29:39,950 --> 03:29:45,130
the report, which is the IA gets from the video, it's really pretty neat.

2300
03:29:46,570 --> 03:29:52,750
Of course, that's not a 100% thing, the officers still have to go through it and ensure that

2301
03:29:52,750 --> 03:29:59,970
what the AI road is accurate and so we're

2302
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,980
And some officers may not choose to use that, but depending on the type of case or how long the video was, I could see some definite value in terms of that. Transcription, if we interview somebody, for example, and want that interview, transcribe for court purposes, currently we pay a vendor for that. The system, the AI system would purify.

2303
03:30:29,980 --> 03:30:36,820
produced transcription for us, in-house, and again, you'd have to go through to make sure

2304
03:30:36,820 --> 03:30:40,460
it was accurate, but that would be a cost savings for us.

2305
03:30:42,360 --> 03:30:50,640
Again, the translation issue is AI-based, if you speak a different language, we can communicate.

2306
03:30:52,160 --> 03:30:59,200
The camera will translate what I'm saying to you and what you're saying to me back.

2307
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:05,520
Again, it recognizes over 100 different languages that us is huge from a safety perspective.

2308
03:31:06,480 --> 03:31:11,500
And then probably the biggest cost savings is going to be in the redaction area.

2309
03:31:12,520 --> 03:31:20,400
And on video, you simply tell it what you want redacted and it'll redact it for you and produce

2310
03:31:20,400 --> 03:31:20,800
it.

2311
03:31:22,180 --> 03:31:27,280
Again, you still have to go through and make sure an example I would use in that, let's say

2312
03:31:27,280 --> 03:31:34,460
we have a scene that has both adults and juveniles and I hit face so I want all the faces

2313
03:31:37,020 --> 03:31:44,700
blacked out it'll go through and do that but the adults there is no restriction for that

2314
03:31:45,340 --> 03:31:52,620
so but I can easily go through each one of those it'll produce the entire volume and I just go

2315
03:31:52,620 --> 03:32:00,360
through in checkmark. It's just a huge savings from what we're doing right now. These IPRAS are

2316
03:32:03,110 --> 03:32:06,210
just extremely intensive

2317
03:32:08,770 --> 03:32:11,170
in terms of the staff time it takes.

2318
03:32:13,410 --> 03:32:18,530
So we anticipate, again, it's hard to quantify like some of the dollar amounts that I was able to

2319
03:32:18,530 --> 03:32:25,810
quantify in the staff report, but we anticipate significant savings in terms of

2320
03:32:25,810 --> 03:32:33,090
efficiency and staff time. Okay. Great. Okay. I remember my question. Okay. Go ahead and

2321
03:32:33,090 --> 03:32:40,470
cancel anyone. Thank you. Two more questions. So one is we know that if the equipment we know

2322
03:32:40,470 --> 03:32:45,110
that we've got to cost savings because of the bulk or the bundle. Yes.

2323
03:32:47,410 --> 03:32:50,150
However, if we do decide to

2324
03:32:50,150 --> 03:32:54,350
break this tenure contract, then we're that one point eight is going to be rolled back in correct.

2325
03:32:55,810 --> 03:33:02,450
So the cost, let's say, is about $550,000 a year,

2326
03:33:02,570 --> 03:33:05,930
but out of that we can reduce the cost

2327
03:33:05,930 --> 03:33:09,410
that we're currently paying for redaction transcription,

2328
03:33:10,670 --> 03:33:13,530
our current watch guard contracts with body-worn camera

2329
03:33:13,530 --> 03:33:14,530
and LPR.

2330
03:33:16,190 --> 03:33:19,350
And then we also can, Councillor or Chair

2331
03:33:19,350 --> 03:33:20,990
Ryder, you had a question last time

2332
03:33:20,990 --> 03:33:24,730
about reimbursement for the hardware.

2333
03:33:24,730 --> 03:33:25,910
where yes, we can do that.

2334
03:33:27,250 --> 03:33:30,530
So that's another 45,000 that will be reduced.

2335
03:33:31,170 --> 03:33:34,230
So it's not a complete wash in terms of dollars,

2336
03:33:34,950 --> 03:33:37,830
but you add the dollars in with the efficiencies

2337
03:33:37,830 --> 03:33:39,990
and the safety and the transparency

2338
03:33:39,990 --> 03:33:43,470
and the ability to communicate with the citizens

2339
03:33:43,470 --> 03:33:46,530
and the safety part of it, it's a win.

2340
03:33:48,670 --> 03:33:51,590
So I understand that it's a win

2341
03:33:51,590 --> 03:33:54,690
and when we look at them separately and collectively

2342
03:33:54,690 --> 03:33:56,350
once we put them together, it makes sense.

2343
03:33:56,950 --> 03:33:59,290
So we know that for the company,

2344
03:33:59,550 --> 03:34:00,870
if we break the contract,

2345
03:34:01,530 --> 03:34:03,790
they're gonna get, I don't know what is it, 1.8.

2346
03:34:04,330 --> 03:34:08,170
But what do we get if the equipment does not perform

2347
03:34:08,170 --> 03:34:09,330
as advertised?

2348
03:34:09,690 --> 03:34:12,910
I mean, what if, I don't know, instead of speaking Spanish,

2349
03:34:13,110 --> 03:34:14,290
it translates to tie.

2350
03:34:15,350 --> 03:34:17,870
And it's a known glitch on their side.

2351
03:34:18,130 --> 03:34:20,770
Or if there's something about this software

2352
03:34:20,770 --> 03:34:26,430
here as well as hardware that does not perform to the standard that we expect.

2353
03:34:27,230 --> 03:34:28,090
What do we get?

2354
03:34:29,530 --> 03:34:35,370
Darrell, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the contract is pretty solid

2355
03:34:35,370 --> 03:34:44,350
in that regard, in that if the functionality does not present as advertised that they'll

2356
03:34:44,350 --> 03:34:50,530
make it right, it's always hard when you transition to a new and larger

2357
03:34:50,530 --> 03:34:57,370
your platform, because you don't know everything and how much time are we actually going to

2358
03:34:57,370 --> 03:34:58,250
save on Redaction.

2359
03:34:58,370 --> 03:35:01,810
We know we're going to save it, because Common Sense tells us that.

2360
03:35:01,990 --> 03:35:03,430
But how do you quantify that?

2361
03:35:03,830 --> 03:35:11,050
But one of the key indicators for us on this was the amount of departments that are transitioning

2362
03:35:11,050 --> 03:35:17,710
to this company, just because it's what they're doing in law enforcement is amazing.

2363
03:35:17,710 --> 03:35:25,630
And here in New Mexico, there's quite a few and just off top of my head, Artigia, Bernalya County, Santa Fe PD.

2364
03:35:27,590 --> 03:35:36,970
I mean, they're several, but I've never heard anything like that, that something broke and they wouldn't fix it.

2365
03:35:37,150 --> 03:35:42,810
I've never even heard that it broke to begin with, but we're very confident in this company and their customer service.

2366
03:35:42,810 --> 03:35:49,250
Okay. Final question. Regarding the redaction. I noticed that the example you gave involved

2367
03:35:49,250 --> 03:35:55,710
images. Quick question. Is the redaction also applicable to language and particularly

2368
03:35:55,710 --> 03:35:58,090
specific words or is it just images?

2369
03:36:02,320 --> 03:36:09,720
You, Chair Ridey, Councilor Nielklin, is the redaction

2370
03:36:09,720 --> 03:36:15,400
just words or images? Is that the question? Yes. Because you stated that in the scenario

2371
03:36:15,400 --> 03:36:20,420
there are adults and children, you're able to remove the children. The question then is it

2372
03:36:20,420 --> 03:36:27,420
just applicable to images or words can language be removed as well? And if it is removed,

2373
03:36:27,640 --> 03:36:35,880
is there a way to have the before and the after? It can be removed and how you do that is you just

2374
03:36:35,880 --> 03:36:41,800
type in the text that you want to remove. So for example, if it's birth dates, you tell it that.

2375
03:36:41,800 --> 03:36:47,020
now again you still have to go through it when it's done to make sure that it did what it said it was

2376
03:36:47,020 --> 03:36:47,460
supposed to.

2377
03:36:50,910 --> 03:36:56,010
We would always, just like we do now, we always have the original copy and then we

2378
03:36:56,010 --> 03:37:01,810
have the redacted copy. And then the redaction, if redactions are required, we're required to say

2379
03:37:02,310 --> 03:37:08,070
why that was redacted. So that's not going to change. It's just how we get that product is going to be

2380
03:37:08,070 --> 03:37:16,850
much more efficient. And just by way of example, as well, on the transcripts, on the translations

2381
03:37:16,850 --> 03:37:27,200
often, it'll, if we have that transcribed, it'll, you know, let's say I'm speaking to

2382
03:37:27,200 --> 03:37:35,460
somebody that's speaking Russian, it'll transcribe what they said in Russian, and then it'll translate

2383
03:37:35,460 --> 03:37:41,260
that in English. And then it'll say what I said in English and then what I said in Russian.

2384
03:37:42,060 --> 03:37:49,260
So you'll get that transcript so that you know that what they said, you could show that what

2385
03:37:49,260 --> 03:37:57,520
they said was transcribed appropriately. So I would assume that the redaction piece is the same.

2386
03:37:58,180 --> 03:38:04,620
And one more thing on customer service. We've already have contract with this company on Taser and

2387
03:38:05,760 --> 03:38:13,840
never had an issue with their customer service so we're confident moving forward

2388
03:38:13,840 --> 03:38:18,220
that that wouldn't be a problem with this company. Okay thank you for your time.

2389
03:38:19,360 --> 03:38:22,720
Okay thank you Councilor England thank you Chief I think I'm saying other

2390
03:38:22,720 --> 03:38:26,880
questions so let's see if there's any public comment

2391
03:38:50,600 --> 03:38:56,220
online there is. Okay so let's

2392
03:38:56,220 --> 03:38:56,960
Please.

2393
03:38:59,100 --> 03:39:04,440
Whitney, you should be able to unmute, please say your full name and limit your comments

2394
03:39:04,440 --> 03:39:05,260
to three minutes.

2395
03:39:05,980 --> 03:39:06,260
Hi.

2396
03:39:06,620 --> 03:39:08,120
This is Brittany Saint-Jacques again.

2397
03:39:08,660 --> 03:39:15,220
I was just wondering, what are the user restrictions on redacting the videos and transcriptions

2398
03:39:15,820 --> 03:39:20,860
and can those abilities be restricted so that it's not broadly usable?

2399
03:39:22,180 --> 03:39:22,900
Thank you.

2400
03:39:25,080 --> 03:39:25,340
Yeah.

2401
03:39:25,520 --> 03:39:26,180
Thank you for the question.

2402
03:39:26,180 --> 03:39:28,460
So, Chief, can you just go ahead and answer the question, please?

2403
03:39:29,040 --> 03:39:33,960
How that is determined is by the statute.

2404
03:39:34,700 --> 03:39:38,240
So, the statute governs what type of information is

2405
03:39:38,240 --> 03:39:40,420
releasable and what type of information is not.

2406
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:49,200
And then, again, any redaction requires an explanation

2407
03:39:49,200 --> 03:39:54,380
by the governing agency as to why that particular item was redacted

2408
03:39:54,380 --> 03:39:59,020
under what? Under what authority? Anything else to add to that, Alvin?

2409
03:40:01,920 --> 03:40:08,560
Chair and council, yeah, I would... I believe the caller is asking, why are the...

2410
03:40:10,240 --> 03:40:13,820
why are these things being redacted? It's only for hip repurposes.

2411
03:40:14,560 --> 03:40:20,900
The original recording needs to stay intact, because if they ever have to use that,

2412
03:40:21,380 --> 03:40:25,320
introduce this in court as evidence or something, they have to bring the original.

2413
03:40:25,320 --> 03:40:32,260
So the original law is, or should all these, at least apartment, however when the public

2414
03:40:32,260 --> 03:40:41,660
asks for, these videos may contain protected health information that needs to be redacted,

2415
03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:48,280
that may contain identities of children that need to be redacted in crimes that may have

2416
03:40:48,280 --> 03:40:54,960
people who are having been charged with crimes and things like that, and all of this is controlled

2417
03:40:54,960 --> 03:40:58,920
about the state law that dictates what we can and cannot or

2418
03:40:58,920 --> 03:41:01,860
was supposed to release to the public and third actions

2419
03:41:01,860 --> 03:41:04,900
generally get privacy concerns of individuals like health

2420
03:41:04,900 --> 03:41:08,760
information or the protections juveniles and sensitive

2421
03:41:08,760 --> 03:41:13,980
situations or certain home addresses and things like that.

2422
03:41:14,440 --> 03:41:17,960
So we are following the IEPRA law when we make our

2423
03:41:17,960 --> 03:41:26,700
Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I think we're ready to. Is there have a counselor in should to make a motion?

2424
03:41:28,040 --> 03:41:35,750
Councilor. I move that council approve the agreement number ADR 26-858 between the

2425
03:41:35,750 --> 03:41:42,110
Incorporated County of Los Alamos and Axon Enterprise. Incorporated for the purchase of public safety

2426
03:41:42,110 --> 03:41:52,210
video systems related devices, software and services in an amount not to exceed $6,826,839.59

2427
03:41:52,210 --> 03:41:54,310
cents for a 10-year term.

2428
03:41:55,530 --> 03:41:56,170
Second.

2429
03:41:58,920 --> 03:41:59,360
Second.

2430
03:41:59,580 --> 03:42:00,000
I'll second.

2431
03:42:01,640 --> 03:42:02,280
Okay.

2432
03:42:02,560 --> 03:42:04,400
So I heard Councillor Riger.

2433
03:42:05,300 --> 03:42:06,740
So I'm motion by Councillor Cole.

2434
03:42:06,960 --> 03:42:07,880
Second by Councillor Riger.

2435
03:42:08,220 --> 03:42:09,560
Is there any discussion?

2436
03:42:12,960 --> 03:42:13,880
Not seeing any.

2437
03:42:14,180 --> 03:42:15,220
Can you please call the roll?

2438
03:42:17,040 --> 03:42:27,680
Councilor Hand. Yes. Councilor Brady. Yes. Councilor Cole. Yes. Councilor Neil Clinton. Yes.

2439
03:42:28,480 --> 03:42:35,960
Councilor Rieger. Yes. Councilor Habiman. Yes. Councilor Woodman. Yes.

2440
03:42:36,940 --> 03:42:44,500
Mission passes, 7-0. Okay, let the record show the motion passed unanimously. So thank

2441
03:42:44,500 --> 03:42:45,560
Thank you for that last item.

2442
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:49,220
So now we're onto item 10 council business.

2443
03:42:49,840 --> 03:42:50,140
Thank you.

2444
03:42:53,580 --> 03:42:55,380
10A is general council business.

2445
03:42:55,980 --> 03:42:59,400
One, two, oh, nine, nine, oh, dash two, six.

2446
03:42:59,760 --> 03:43:01,480
Oregon commissioner liaison and council

2447
03:43:01,480 --> 03:43:02,300
working group assignments.

2448
03:43:04,460 --> 03:43:07,340
So there's no, I think presentation on this.

2449
03:43:07,880 --> 03:43:11,580
And so councilors should be all aware

2450
03:43:11,580 --> 03:43:13,320
since I gave you a preview copy.

2451
03:43:13,320 --> 03:43:15,600
Any issues or questions?

2452
03:43:16,900 --> 03:43:21,460
Yeah, there's a little thing in there that I, under working groups, I did not

2453
03:43:22,380 --> 03:43:26,020
unvolunteer for S, line S, which is New Mexico Counties.

2454
03:43:26,600 --> 03:43:28,420
I just couldn't go to the meeting last week.

2455
03:43:29,800 --> 03:43:32,760
I did in Mexico Counties last year, I'll do it again.

2456
03:43:33,860 --> 03:43:37,540
Okay, I think that was just the, we just elect one person to the board.

2457
03:43:37,820 --> 03:43:39,640
But yeah, you can still go.

2458
03:43:39,640 --> 03:43:43,020
So that's the, we still have other counselors attend the meetings.

2459
03:43:44,020 --> 03:43:46,480
So we can either amend that or not, I guess.

2460
03:43:46,500 --> 03:43:48,020
So that's the board member, too.

2461
03:43:48,060 --> 03:43:49,360
That's the board member.

2462
03:43:49,560 --> 03:43:50,720
That's the intention of that role.

2463
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:56,560
But yeah, there's still, I don't know if there's a separate row or just attending.

2464
03:43:56,560 --> 03:43:57,300
I don't think there is.

2465
03:43:57,780 --> 03:44:00,300
Councillor, were you or wasn't that NACO that you attended last year?

2466
03:44:00,860 --> 03:44:01,880
That's separate line.

2467
03:44:02,000 --> 03:44:02,820
There's absolutely no row.

2468
03:44:02,900 --> 03:44:03,080
Okay.

2469
03:44:03,240 --> 03:44:05,040
So you did both last year?

2470
03:44:05,100 --> 03:44:06,580
That's Q on the chart.

2471
03:44:07,080 --> 03:44:07,220
Right.

2472
03:44:07,560 --> 03:44:08,800
And I did both last year.

2473
03:44:08,800 --> 03:44:10,560
Okay. Okay. Yeah.

2474
03:44:10,660 --> 03:44:12,440
Start on the board of the Mexico.

2475
03:44:12,660 --> 03:44:15,520
So we'll look into amending the road so that it allows for

2476
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:17,060
counselors to go.

2477
03:44:19,220 --> 03:44:23,340
So we'll just I'll work with staff to get that revised.

2478
03:44:24,600 --> 03:44:26,780
So I guess we'll have to attach that to the minutes.

2479
03:44:27,680 --> 03:44:28,240
Or something.

2480
03:44:28,480 --> 03:44:29,600
Or we'll just send it back out terribly.

2481
03:44:31,700 --> 03:44:34,480
Okay. Any other questions, comments?

2482
03:44:35,420 --> 03:44:35,700
Okay.

2483
03:44:35,700 --> 03:44:45,660
Okay. Let's see, 10B is appointments, which we did under consent. We don't have 10C,

2484
03:44:45,680 --> 03:44:57,130
the vacancy report. This meeting, do we have, so we're almost at 10 o'clock. So we

2485
03:44:57,130 --> 03:44:59,810
We can certainly have any board and commission report.

2486
03:45:16,460 --> 03:45:23,380
So, I think there's a little bit more time on that one, maybe. Let's see. Then we can go to County

2487
03:45:23,380 --> 03:45:29,380
report. So I guess I have to announce it formally. E is kind of managed

2488
03:45:29,380 --> 03:45:37,140
report 1 is 2 0 0 3 9-26 kind of managed report for December 2025. So Ms.

2489
03:45:37,220 --> 03:45:40,660
Lawrence did you want to highlight some items? Yes, thank you Chair and

2490
03:45:40,660 --> 03:45:47,260
Council. December we only had two meetings so it went quickly. There is continued

2491
03:45:47,260 --> 03:45:51,120
conversation about the hexavalate chroma and plume and the fact that the

2492
03:45:51,120 --> 03:45:57,120
The extraction efforts have been stopped again, and so there's increased interest in

2493
03:45:57,120 --> 03:46:04,640
conversations with both the Pueblo de San El Defonso, DOEM, NMED, and there's definitely

2494
03:46:05,400 --> 03:46:09,980
a group interest to want to figure out a way to restart the interim measure.

2495
03:46:10,900 --> 03:46:19,500
The North Mesa housing project on the middle school, the infrastructure impact analysis

2496
03:46:19,500 --> 03:46:25,720
his completed housing manager Dan Osborne is going to be presenting that to the public schools.

2497
03:46:26,480 --> 03:46:34,320
And then we're going to get some feedback from the school board meeting in November as to how they'd like to proceed potentially on that development.

2498
03:46:36,280 --> 03:46:42,360
We are actively working on at least two leader retail applications.

2499
03:46:42,360 --> 03:46:47,000
We're getting close to a third being submitted.

2500
03:46:47,000 --> 03:46:53,420
submitted. So those are, we're actively working on those and we did receive one fully

2501
03:46:53,420 --> 03:47:02,740
to application for another project. And we are working to schedule that with our advisory

2502
03:47:02,740 --> 03:47:10,600
council advisory. How do you say your contracted council, outside council? Maybe that's the word

2503
03:47:10,600 --> 03:47:16,980
outside council that advises on a big leadal like that. We're also have been meeting with

2504
03:47:16,980 --> 03:47:23,240
our new contract for the comprehensive plan and so we plan on being back in front of council

2505
03:47:23,820 --> 03:47:28,580
in February to kind of highlight what that process is going to be in that outreach but there

2506
03:47:28,580 --> 03:47:36,080
there have been some meetings with individuals and groups that we know have interest in being part

2507
03:47:36,080 --> 03:47:42,460
of that process. And we are in a couple days from now on Thursday there's going to be a tourism

2508
03:47:42,460 --> 03:47:50,360
debrief from the tourism season last year with everyone from the museum leadership to the visitor

2509
03:47:50,360 --> 03:47:57,160
center, LACDC to the national parks to do a debrief on on kind of how last year went and what we

2510
03:47:57,160 --> 03:47:59,600
are looking for going into this season.

2511
03:48:02,900 --> 03:48:05,520
City's work has reached out to our economic development

2512
03:48:05,520 --> 03:48:11,760
director Eli Isaacson and requested a meeting on January 30th on Friday assuming that happens

2513
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:17,760
and we do get a report, we will quickly put that on the Council agenda in February to share it with you all.

2514
03:48:20,940 --> 03:48:27,580
Also starting next month, we've opened up in our training software that tracks all of our training.

2515
03:48:28,720 --> 03:48:32,940
Our training manager has opened up our customer service module.

2516
03:48:33,540 --> 03:48:40,760
And so everyone can sign up for that for starting in February and the goal is to have every county staff through it by the end of June.

2517
03:48:44,500 --> 03:48:48,380
Just a few weeks ago, the MRA applications were put online.

2518
03:48:49,300 --> 03:48:57,860
We will modify our handbook to reflect the request of the public meeting prior to the

2519
03:48:57,860 --> 03:48:58,980
introduction of ordinance.

2520
03:48:59,880 --> 03:49:05,600
And I just want to remind everyone that February 22nd, our aquatic center, our Olympic pool

2521
03:49:05,600 --> 03:49:08,260
and therapy pool are going to be closing for that big maintenance project.

2522
03:49:08,260 --> 03:49:14,680
And so we are working on an alternative for the warmer months, but we will go a few

2523
03:49:14,680 --> 03:49:19,460
months without that kind of facility, but the leisure of the goon will remain open.

2524
03:49:19,960 --> 03:49:23,600
So that is that you'll see some more press releasing on that.

2525
03:49:23,720 --> 03:49:26,160
But with that, I'll stand for any questions.

2526
03:49:27,420 --> 03:49:27,780
Okay.

2527
03:49:27,960 --> 03:49:28,600
Thank you, Mr. Lant.

2528
03:49:28,720 --> 03:49:30,260
Do we have any questions?

2529
03:49:30,660 --> 03:49:30,860
Okay.

2530
03:49:31,520 --> 03:49:32,080
Just a minute.

2531
03:49:32,080 --> 03:49:33,040
This is kind of a request.

2532
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:37,780
Can we get an overview of the tourism working group at a future council work session?

2533
03:49:38,880 --> 03:49:42,600
Ms. Madison's nodding yes, thank you.

2534
03:49:44,760 --> 03:49:54,780
Okay, let's see, there's a very long list of things that have been happening.

2535
03:49:55,220 --> 03:50:00,440
So I'm appreciate, I was rent giving already the excellent chromium workshop.

2536
03:50:01,400 --> 03:50:03,400
I think that was one of the things I wanted to highlight.

2537
03:50:03,400 --> 03:50:11,180
I actually attended, so I think it's mainly been staff meeting with the Pueblo de San

2538
03:50:11,180 --> 03:50:19,660
Odefanzo monthly, and so I went in December, and then I went this month, and that's been

2539
03:50:19,660 --> 03:50:23,140
a subjective conversation with the Pueblo as well.

2540
03:50:24,400 --> 03:50:33,740
So, I have, you know, asked about when we'll have maybe more information for Council and

2541
03:50:33,740 --> 03:50:37,160
I think we've tentatively decided on maybe May.

2542
03:50:37,580 --> 03:50:41,600
We'll have some more information to share and that helps also get information out to the

2543
03:50:41,600 --> 03:50:41,920
public.

2544
03:50:44,440 --> 03:50:44,920
Let's see.

2545
03:50:46,360 --> 03:50:48,920
Another thing was actually turned out pretty well.

2546
03:50:48,920 --> 03:51:10,260
So with the Mexico County's meetings last week, I had asked for time to have a workshop on nuclear energy and it actually turned out to be fairly well attended, although after tonight's meeting it probably beat that by a few people here, but it was 54 people I think at the workshop.

2547
03:51:11,320 --> 03:51:13,740
So so that was good. So there's a lot of interest in that.

2548
03:51:13,740 --> 03:51:17,600
So, that's something that we're still working on through ECA.

2549
03:51:19,660 --> 03:51:27,600
We also had a Zoom meeting with the secretary, an NVD secretary, Kenny, who was served as

2550
03:51:27,600 --> 03:51:29,940
staff regarding WIP.

2551
03:51:31,720 --> 03:51:39,020
We had the legislative dinner, Representative Chen, who was there, and the staff for Representative

2552
03:51:39,020 --> 03:51:46,000
becomes all us we're present to and then the public schools presented their requests and we gave

2553
03:51:46,000 --> 03:51:51,700
a really brief overview of ours and so I think that was a productive discussion.

2554
03:51:55,510 --> 03:52:00,170
Yeah, there's a number of other things. So it's kind of regular monthly or weekly meetings.

2555
03:52:02,270 --> 03:52:08,890
Let's see. Oh, it was, I had actually been to the public assembly funds a few

2556
03:52:08,890 --> 03:52:16,870
stay, but went there and went with Ms. Massen and that was a really excellent experience

2557
03:52:16,870 --> 03:52:22,710
and a very interesting to see that in action after all these years.

2558
03:52:24,430 --> 03:52:30,450
Oh, and then I guess the last thing I wonder remember was one of the things I learned

2559
03:52:30,450 --> 03:52:40,270
I guess was that the chair of the county council can request that a planning and zoning case

2560
03:52:40,270 --> 03:52:50,050
get remanded back to the planning and zoning commission if the applicant and county staff

2561
03:52:50,050 --> 03:52:55,170
agree that it would be worthwhile doing that. So we had a case where I think there were two cases,

2562
03:52:55,170 --> 03:52:56,130
Is that correct?

2563
03:52:56,410 --> 03:53:01,490
There are two cases that fail in my argument because of weren't sufficient people present.

2564
03:53:02,270 --> 03:53:08,870
They had a positive vote, but it was like three to two, so that was a new one.

2565
03:53:09,010 --> 03:53:11,270
I didn't realize that they could do that.

2566
03:53:11,590 --> 03:53:12,790
So we'll see what happens.

2567
03:53:13,330 --> 03:53:21,570
It may still fail or come back to Council for Appeal, but it may save us having an official

2568
03:53:23,290 --> 03:53:29,290
hearing, of course, a quasi-judicial hearing at council as opposed to letting

2569
03:53:29,290 --> 03:53:32,950
planning and zoning take care of that. So that was something I just learned today.

2570
03:53:33,590 --> 03:53:41,450
So it was learned something every day. So I'm going to plan to, I'll give some

2571
03:53:41,450 --> 03:53:44,810
oral reports when they're on the agenda, but I'm also going to write some

2572
03:53:44,810 --> 03:53:50,390
mini ones along the year. So I like your approach of like what we do, so I'll try to

2573
03:53:50,390 --> 03:53:54,110
give little updates like every couple of months written in that way.

2574
03:53:54,270 --> 03:53:57,450
The state of the county messes you'll have written a self by the end of the year.

2575
03:53:58,070 --> 03:53:59,730
That's my plan anyway. We'll see what happens.

2576
03:54:02,430 --> 03:54:05,610
Okay. So item G is approval of counselor expenses.

2577
03:54:06,030 --> 03:54:11,350
Do we have any counselor expenses or travel the need be approved?

2578
03:54:13,430 --> 03:54:14,330
Not saying any.

2579
03:54:16,500 --> 03:54:19,000
Okay. Preview of upcoming agenda items.

2580
03:54:19,200 --> 03:54:20,780
So we have the tickler attached.

2581
03:54:20,780 --> 03:54:33,970
and we're going to put in the tourism onto the work session, so we'll make a note of that and follow up with that at the agenda sitting meeting.

2582
03:54:35,530 --> 03:54:39,850
Is there anything else anyone must highlight coming up? No,

2583
03:54:43,550 --> 03:54:44,750
I think we're almost to the end.

2584
03:54:45,070 --> 03:54:51,730
I believe the next item is Councillor Comments. Yes, it is. Do we have any Councillor Comments?

2585
03:54:55,150 --> 03:54:56,290
Not seeing any comments?

2586
03:54:57,930 --> 03:55:02,590
So, unless anyone is opposed, we are adjourned.