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We're missing it, see. He said he was going to log in early to make sure everything was working.

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I'm trying to turn my video on, but it won't. Can anybody hear me?

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Yeah, you know, I told you to basically ask as a participant to turn your video on, maybe that will pop.

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Say it, say again.

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Let's have Cody see if they can do it for us.

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I'm trying to stop my video. Oh, here. I was pushing the camera bottom left with a line through it.

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you're there. And I'm calling in because I don't have video capability on my computer. Hopefully you guys can

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work with a blank screen for me. And I can see two big users at least I can see one but

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that two of them present. Yeah, once my desktop, I'm sorry. I don't know how to do this. I work off

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I've had and that reminds me, I've been a fire at my iPad.

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So no one has any trouble hearing me?

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Nope, hear you.

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That's not clear.

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The full be my participation.

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And then to Mr. just be aware if you're watching the communicates video, be aware of an echo back and forth.

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And it's a lay, there's about a six second delay as well, so I would not recommend you have that on the background.

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Yeah, watch it later, I promise.

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I don't use my iPad for that, but I use it to look at.

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I legislate.

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Do we need that, too?

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No, well, you have a paper copy, but I like to be able to strip through the pages with that.

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sometimes I need five hands to put my fingers in places where to remember things.

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So if I don't have the night tap in the city yet, how do I get back, I legislate on the desktop

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you can't?

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I legislate is about to become obsolete. Okay, probably the last meeting that it's going to be used. If I have anything to say with it, everything goes as planned. This is the last meeting.

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I think I'm good. I think I've got all the supplements believe me. I've been backing things up.

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Zach, the last supplement was the letter from residents along East sunset. Is that correct?

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that is correct. Yes. That was sent directly to the commissioners and then it's also been posted on granted, because as well, it came in about

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the ground three this afternoon.

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So 602 is who's going to call the meetings act.

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So, you see it's fair.

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Very briefly.

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Meeting on July the second of the planning commission.

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The first thing on the agenda is a roll call.

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Commissioner Smith.

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President.

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Commissioner Patel.

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Here.

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Commissioner Indico.

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President.

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Commissioner Washira.

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President.

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Chair Cooper.

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President.

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Let me ask Deborah.

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Do we first appoint the chair or do we first want to go swearing in?

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We have swearing in first on the agenda.

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Let's do that.

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We're just going to do it alphabetically.

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And I have to do it individually because we're on Zoom.

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So I apologize that you have to hear me three times, but we're going to start with the commissioner comparison.

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So if you could raise your hand and repeat after me.

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Don't be able to play your collegians first.

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He said, do you want to do the pledge of allegiance first?

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I guess so,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag word of the United States of America and to the Republic, which it stands, one nation, and a God, an individual with liberty and justice for them.

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Wow, and any skipped over that one. Okay, pledge allegiance.

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Okay, yes, if you could raise your right hand and repeat after me.

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I state your name.

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Hi, it's a comparison.

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Do solemnly affirm that I will.

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Do solemnly affirm that I will.

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Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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And the Constitution of the State of California.

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against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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But I will bear true faith and allegiance.

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But I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States,

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to the Constitution of the United States,

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and the Constitution of the State of California,

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and the Constitution of the State of California,

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that I take this obligation freely.

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But I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation.

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without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion for purpose of evasion and

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that I will well and faithfully and that I will well and faithfully discharge the

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duties upon which I am about to enter. Discharge the duties upon which I am about to

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enter. Thank you. Thank you. Okay Brigina, it's her turn.

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Yes, thank you, Bruce.

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I, state your name.

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I, Brigida Indico.

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Do solemnly affirm that I will.

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Do solemnly solemnly affirm that I will.

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And defend the Constitution of the United States.

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The important defend the Constitution of the United States.

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And the Constitution of the State of California.

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And in these foreign and domestic.

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against all enemies for an indomestate.

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That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution in the United States.

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And the Constitution of the State of California.

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That takes this obligation freely.

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mental reservation,

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without any mental reservation, or purpose in the

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You're all in faith, Ali.

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And that I will well and say to the duties upon which I am about to enter.

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This charge the duties upon which I'm about to enter.

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Jim, Commissioner, will show your turn. Thank you. I say your name.

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I, Jim, will show. Do solemnly affirm that I will.

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Do solemnly affirm that I will.

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Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

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support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of California and the Constitution of the state of California.

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Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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That I will bear true faith and allegiance.

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That I will bear true faith and allegiance.

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To the Constitution of the United States.

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To the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of California.

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and the Constitution of the State of California that I take this obligation freely, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation,

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or purpose of evasion, or purpose of evasion,

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and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

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discharge the duties upon the giant mouth out to Pinter.

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Thank you very much.

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Well, it's back in my court. Now, first of all, welcome Jim. I've

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beginners already been around, but this could happen to a nice

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cigar. You don't know what you're in for.

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I very much appreciate the welcome. I will need a lot of

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all of your assistance in learning all the roles and the responsibilities

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But I am very dedicated to doing an excellent job here.

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Please don't hesitate to give me suggestions and advice.

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Except that we have to disclose them on their ex-part.

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That's right.

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Going on to the appointment of chair and vice chair.

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There's a funny quirk in the rules here.

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Anybody can nominate anybody, but there's no need for a second and I'm going to nominate

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Regive to be the chairman

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Is there any objection to unanimous consent

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hearing none?

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I believe that was enacted

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Congratulations, Regive

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I don't have a gavel here, but symbolically you're it,

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I need your mute.

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I'm sorry.

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I took your Gabo and just wanted to say thank you panic commissioner for placing

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your trusted me as a new chair.

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I strike you to my best and hopefully support to keep me in line as I learn and come up to

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speed of the rules and responsibilities of the chair.

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Now, we have to also point a vice chair, so any, you know, nominations or suggestions that the planning

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commissioners might want to make.

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I would like to nominate Brigitte in the chair for vice chair,

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okay?

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Anyone who would disagree with that nomination?

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And the other nominations also can come in.

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Yeah, I don't sorry.

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Anyone have any other suggestions or nominations?

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Any other volunteers?

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All right.

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I just seen none.

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We need to.

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You are the Vice Chair as of today.

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Congratulations.

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Oh, well, thank you.

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Thank you, everyone.

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I hope I get to hear Reggie.

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Yes, he is.

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Well, as I say, it can be a lot of fun.

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But I think Ed is probably the cleverest guy, yeah.

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It's okay.

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So I believe as the chair, I will take over from here and start our next item, which is presentations from the floor.

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This is an opportunity for any member of the public to address the planning commission on any issue that is not on the agenda.

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We cannot discuss or take action on or discuss these items, but we can refer them to staff.

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you will be given at most three minutes to present. We will open the virtual floor and

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go to can you please assist in seeing if there's anybody wishing to talk.

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Hi, I'm Shamali Manajee, so 1 3 2 1 2 East Sunset Drive and I wanted to discuss,

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I don't hear me by the way.

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But it's already on the agenda.

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Okay. All right.

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Yes. We can hear you.

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But this is for presentations, which are items not on the agenda.

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Okay. So the letter is already on the agenda then. Am I right?

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Thank you.

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since there are no other presentations from the floor or from the public, I'll close that presentations and move on to the approval of minutes, I can 4.1 for the June 4 2020 regular planning minutes meeting minutes of the planning commission.

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Any comments or dates from my fellow commissioners?

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I'm a motion to any motions.

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I'll move to accept the minutes.

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I'll set the June 4th.

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I believe I heard the Gita in another couple.

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Second?

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To maybe have a roll.

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Combo?

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Turner Smith.

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Vice Chair Indico.

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Commissioner Washera. Yes. Commissioner Cooper. Yes. Chair Patel. Yes.

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All right. So, the meeting

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minutes are approved and we now want to this evening's public hearings. We have four items

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on the agenda today and I've been instructed to read the new language for directions. So,

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your goals.

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Public hearings are especially noticed items for discussion, and even wishing to speak regarding

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a public hearing should fill out a speaker card in this virtual environment raise your

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hand-on zone or place a chat window message on Zoom prior to the completion of the

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staff. The order of business for public hearings will be as follows. Staff presentation

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followed by the applicant presentation which will be limited to 15 minutes. Commission questions

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and clarifications followed by public comments where each person would be limited to three minutes.

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Applicant response, limited to five minutes, and finally any commission comments, questions, and actions.

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If you challenge the proposed actions in code, you may be limited to raising only those issues you are someone else raised at the public hearing described below.

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or in written correspondence, delivered to the planning commission, ask or prior to the public hearing.

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Any interested party means...

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May also appeal a determination of the planning commission to the city council by filing a written notice of a appeal with the city clerk within 22 days of the district.

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On non-refundable filing fee and a deposit of services shall accompany each notice of a fee, except that any member of the council may file such an appeal without payment of a fee.

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I'll ask for any export-a contact disclosures.

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Please be sure to identify which names are associated with which agenda items.

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Sure, I'll go first.

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I talked a long one ago.

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We have two items to do with East Medal,

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another East Medal, Sunset.

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5.15.2.

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And I discussed the road there, rather than the actual development, with a Michele, you,

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but we last saw this and a couple of times on the telephone since then, but discussing

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the road rather than the specific things, the building permits.

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I talked to Jim Washera, mainly to welcome him on board, and to just cover the general procedure,

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no particular agenda item. And that's it.

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Go ahead. Okay. Expert A. So for the East Sunset Drive, I just happened

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running to New Commissioner Wisher on the site. So we can look at it in the weeds

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there together. And then also I spoke to of course Krista on all her projects. And also

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with the undershon structure and also for these Suns

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for the Jesuit Recreed Center.

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Bellaboo, and his wife on that one.

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And I also spoke with the EDP committee which was girl got lived B.J. Hajima and Shell Colson.

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I think I get everybody.

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Anyone else?

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All right, so I spoke with our idea of things that I didn't click.

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Fasting up strategies.

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Oh, go ahead Jim.

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Sorry about that.

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On the three different items,

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there were three out of the four that I do discuss with other commissioners and other people.

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The item 5.1, 13 to 10 East, sunset, I spoke with Commissioner Indico, Steve

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Adam Zackdahl, and the architect Fred Herring, and on either pipe 0.2, I also spoke

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with Brigitte about that briefly, and Zack, and Christie Yoos, the planner.

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Malika, Juneteenth, the architect and Sean Supter,

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who was the owner of that property.

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And on the person who wrote property,

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I spoke with the owner Joe W.

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Bella, you've shown her an option that wrong.

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And Chris and briefly with Commissioner Couparis.

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That's it.

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All right.

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And finally, I spoke with Gusta and Zach regarding item 5.3.

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gives us your new, just wanted to let you know. One approach we all have chosen to take is if you

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wore a speed, you can just raise your hand in the hero window and you'll get your chance.

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Thank you. All right. So let's move on to item 5.1,

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1, 3, 2, 1, 0, these sunset drying lands of time, side development permit for a new 5, 260 square

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for two story residents with a 3, 3, 6, 2 square for basement that includes a 4 car garage

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and a pool. This project was continued from the June 6 2020 planning commission video.

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Steve, maybe have to stop for four please.

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Certainly.

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Thank you Chairman Patel and members of the Commission.

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I'm going to share the screen here.

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Okay, hopefully you're seeing that. So here's the perspective of the home that we're going to be looking at here tonight.

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Again, it's a new residence, a reading, obviously, a reconstruction removal of the existing residents just as already occurred with a basement and a pool.

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And is that 132110, 210, east sunset drive, a little background on the project, an August of 2016, the residents with a similar design was approved at a fast track hearing.

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The neighbors did have concerns with construction traffic back then, and this is a condition

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requiring 48-hour notification for heavy construction and also any kind of truck traffic

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and such.

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But this residence was never constructed.

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The same architect was involved then.

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So now we have a current owner that purchased the property in 2017, and they submitted a project

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in April of 2018, again, the same architect.

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The Plan Commission saw this project on June 6, 2019 at that hearing there were some concerns

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with the massing of the structure, three-story visual impacts, and so the Commission voted

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for zero one to continue the item off calendar with directions removed structures from the

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steep slopes to Ruse of Floria and to use darker exterior colors.

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So it took about a year to get everything straight down, but then June 2020 the project was

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complete and now we're at the hearing. Here's an aerial view and I've also highlighted all of

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the property owners that are surrounding. This is a subject property here, East Sunset, and so some

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of these individuals may be speaking, residents may be speaking, but you have a perspective here.

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This is a town limits by the way, also just to make sure we understand where this is located.

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Here's the Jesuit receipt, retreat center here. Here's a close-up of the property. This is when

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house still exists if it's been removed since. As you can see most of this area down here is

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just grasslands that's steep slopes but goes down to this this is the lowest portion of the

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lot down here. And then this is the this is the sunset over here. So this is the existing grilled

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trees that's being retained and you can see there's some perimeter landscaping on either side there.

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Here's some photos so with the story poles I'm standing on the street looking over the gate. You can

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to see the poles here. The pad is about 10 feet below the street at this point, where we're

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with the existing pad that they're using for the same elevation for the new house. Here's

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again some photos looking out towards the south here and then also some looking standing inside,

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looking back at the grove of trees that's remaining.

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These are some site photos showing this is

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the steep slope behind the home. That goes basically it's about a 20-foot slope that goes up to

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properties that are up on this area here. So it's a steep slope with some vegetation that's being retained.

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This is not being affected at all. The house is being built beyond this existing walls that are there.

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Here's a view showing some homes up the canyon towards Dan drive that through the trees.

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Here's also another home that is directly adjacent to this property on the same level.

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Right over in this area here that I think you get a good photo. I thought I had better photo of it.

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But you can see through the trees when you're on the site.

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you can see the home that's located there.

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I think it's the wisest on it.

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Here's looking down to the canyon,

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where the gesso is forced to hillside over here.

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That's the gesso center.

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So you can see this quite a view looking down that way

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into the east.

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Here's another viewpoint looking towards, again,

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the east foot hills.

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Here's the existing trees.

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This oak has been pruned, but again, it's still pretty healthy

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and probably going to retain that pruned design

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style of the tree there to keep the view there.

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And this is, again, showing a view.

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This is actually a view from the driveway up above the house to show that if you're standing

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I'm very close to where the driveway tops out here, the top of the house is about the same height.

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The top of the survey, sorry, it's a little bit blurred when I enlarge it to that, so I apologize for that.

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But basically utilizing all the same graded pad that you can see here, these walls are coming in to match the 30-foot setback.

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So all of this area is being, all this pavement is being removed from the 30-foot setback on this property line here.

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Drive relocation is the same, but just do some regrating and you'll see on the next site plan

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the

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What it gets the next site plan are the new split drive a configuration. So quick project summary here

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It's about a 5200 and 60 square foot two story residents with a 3360 square foot basement

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a lot is two and a half acres, but it has an average total of 30% so that reduces the MDA and MFA

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pretty significantly as you see by 9800 square feet and 6550

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So the original proposal back in the 2000 or 2019 was looking at a 9,825-square for

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development area, which is basically the maximum that was permitted, so they had to

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Zero before. Now, with this new proposal, they actually have some existing remaining with development area to utilize. So they're not maxing off the development area. Neither of the floor area. The maximum allowed, as I said, 6550, previous back in 2019 was 6290, now they're only at 5263. Now, they've made that up by enlarging the basement, because that's where the forecar of the Rogers going. So the basement has significantly increased, and that's again due to the forecar of the Rogers being in the basement.

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So, the previous planning commission direction stated that they should move structures from

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the source greater than 50%, so the architect and designer has moved everything up onto

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the existing graded pad that's there before they were having this pool step down the hillside

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in a very steep slope, and that was some of the concern of the commissioners so they completely

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have built everything on the pad.

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As for reducing floor area, they asked for 700 square foot reduction, they actually reduced

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by 1,000, 27. Again, this is our counted floor area and not the basement, so the basement

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has increased, but again, that's not invisible. They also asked it to use darker materials

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that blend more into the landscaping. They do have a dark bronze metal roof and integrated

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cement plaster coloring, although they didn't specify the color. The conditioner approves

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to take 50 light effectively value of 50 or less, but that isn't as dark a color if you're

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looking at something that blends more in the landscape. You probably need a leg food

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flexibility value, probably somewhere in the 40 range below 40. So just want to make

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that clear.

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So here's the site plan, what they've done is they've taken the existing drivel

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entrance here, split this. And the reason why these split is for fire department

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regulations, the fire department wants to be able to back up to the house to

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for any kind of emergency or fire fighting reasons. And so they created this

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separate driveway here, the fire department has agreed to. And it's got a less

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of a slope, also, and meets their criteria.

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And so that's what created this design.

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Because they did reduce the footprint of the house.

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They did pick up a little bit of that

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extra development area.

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So that allowed them, again, to put this second driveway

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and the removing the development area

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that was all back in this area here that was part of the parking

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and another structure that had, like, an accessory guest house

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back in this area.

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The pool is roughly in the same place

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if you've been to the site, you see the story pools

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are all on the pad.

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And then the pool is basically in the same place

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of the pool is now. Now, because of the situation of the

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uncaustallity of fill in the property,

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they're going to be removing most of this in re-engineering it

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to build up to, you know, the standards that are required for the

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geotechnical engineer. So, but again, most of the soil will be replaced

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back in kind, although they are excavating about 1,400 cubic yards

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of a soil. And so, that is, you know, obviously in a

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some truck trips and that's mostly for the basement.

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There's some elevations of the house.

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I'll briefly just go through these as you can see.

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This is a large sweeping roof on it.

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This design is similar.

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There's a home on a summit wood that I think I put in the staff report.

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If you want to see a similar design by this architect.

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So it has these large sweeping curved roof structures.

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Very interesting.

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The roof is all dark bronze.

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math finish. So that's definitely meeting the criteria of a dark color. And the walls though

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again, not specified, but they are a cement stucco type, smooth cement stucco integrated

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color, so that we may want to look at slightly darker colors than just a LRV of 50. And so this

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is the billing. What I wanted to show is this next slide is more important. This is a slide that

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the, but this is the elevation at the planning commission was looking at back in 2019. As you

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elevation, this whole exposed area was the pool with a room below. If now drop this down,

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spread the building out more and drop the height of this overall wall, and so you can see this

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is now basically the pool area here and there's showing just slightly bit of it is exposed.

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So this is a new elevation that we're looking at. There was an issue with the easements on this property.

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So back in 2016, there have been an agreement to have an open space easement on the lower part of

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property. Everything below the 350-foot contour line. The applicant is agreed and the owner

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has agreed to that same contour level. So basically this, all this area below here will

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be in open space easement. It will allow the septic system because they are proposing a septic

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system for the south. There's an existing one now. So that will allow that. And that is not

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uncommon. We do allow underground utilities in easement so it's space easements. And this

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of valid reason, they're not close to the sewer, it's about three or 400 feet down the road,

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and the way the house is, they may have to pump up to it.

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So these are all criteria that don't require it, can I get to sewer?

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As for the pathway, he's missed it.

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This did go to the Catholic committee. Again, originally, the owner had proposed ten foot easement even before the town approved this pathway segment on the master path plan.

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And so they have again shown a ten foot easement here on both these elevations. This is east sunset up here.

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The ten foot drops all the way down to this low corner then comes up this way and this would continue on to Diane drive and I have a graphic of that on the master path plan, the amendment.

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So this is showing the property here, so this is where the easement would be on this too.

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Property lines here, along the entire property lines.

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I want to also show some pictures here showing, there is some issue of potentially sharing the easement on the other property.

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There's a condition which will come up in the next item.

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I wanted to show some pictures just to show what this is like dropping into where the pathway would go.

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There's a line here that roughly shows where the neighboring properties property line is.

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So you'd be crossing a portion of this, but this tree is actually on on the subject property 1, 3, 2, 1, 0.

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And then this is a very steep drop off going down to this home.

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You're literally looking on the roof of the home.

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And the picture over here is showing if you go around this spruce tree or whatever it is.

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You can see there's plenty of open land, and just in this graphic, you can see the house is located approximately here.

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It's several hundred feet before you even close to this property line.

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So there's been some discussion of potentially having more of the pathway on this.

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So I just want to provide these to the discussion comes up, but there's clearly plenty of room on this side of the property.

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If this property owner is, maybe we'll need to look at in-larging the easement on that side.

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Account committee comments, environmental design and protection.

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They were supportive of the new design.

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Again, it's revised one from the 2019.

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They said it complies with the direction given by the planning commission.

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They still have concerns with recess lighting on the upper roofeeps.

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This type of design has very large overhangs.

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And so it's because of those large overhangs, there is a lot of opportunity to put recess

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lights in them.

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The architect, the designer, has stated that these lighting, these lights in the roof,

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these are set pretty far back behind the edge of the roof even, so they wouldn't have

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much of a visual impact, plus as you saw in that view looking down below there basically

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no homes looking up at at this point, but it still could potentially do some kind of a light

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or the roof-eve light.

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So they do have some concerns with those.

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They wanted to have those removed,

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but also to the limited exterior building lighting

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to 600 lumens to 3000 kelvin's.

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They were a concern about the exterior building color.

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I think it should blend better with the background.

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It wasn't stated again, but they stated

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that it should be more of a darker,

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some kind of earth tone, maybe, or something like that.

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And while life from defencing around the open space easement,

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that's standard in all the open space easements

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and that's written into the agreement language

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and also in the condition that I wrote for this.

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Oppa Space again, a sort of their request for an open space easement on the lands of a low

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350-foot elevation, and also a lot of left-friendly fencing.

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And pathways again, the owner has to pay the $10,000 fee, the $1,000 fee that's standard

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of every new residents unless they've already paid it, and they also dedicate the ten-foot-wide

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pathway easement along the north and easily property line, into a line with the recently

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adopted pathway from the MPP.

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So in public comments, we sent out a public notice to all surrounding property owners within

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500 feet.

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So there's been concerns raised by the neighbors on the roadway condition.

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He sends it as a narrow road.

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There's two homes being built very close to the same time.

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That's the narrow section of road where these two homes are and some blind curves.

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They've voiced these concerns at the previous hearings.

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So they were voice back in 2016, that resulted in that condition that we have added again to

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this project also with regard to having a flight persons that either end any time you have

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trucks or cement deliveries or any kind of construction involved a truck that they have to

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have that those flag persons out there the entire time that the operation is occurring.

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But they still have a lot of concerns with just with the road, I have some pictures coming

458
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,880
up, I did go out there and measure it is about 12, 13 feet wide, it is narrowest of the

459
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,420
paid section.

460
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:37,200
So, yes, I was, I was, why does, you know, driveway is in many cases.

461
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:43,180
And so this is, again, we've gotten, you know, we did receive a letter, I have a copy here

462
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:48,960
if the, if the, if there's about road it, but basically, I assume they're going to be speaking

463
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,100
later on, but basically it's, raises a lot of concerns with the width of the road, concerns

464
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,900
with construction traffic and such and that seems to be the major concern, there are some

465
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,960
issues with reflectivity of roofing, the airport.

466
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,240
Opposing a PV system, which is actually required by state law, to have some type of solar system on

467
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:11,180
your, this is being on the roof, but generally yes, where it can be put and committed by

468
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:16,480
right to be put on the roof if they want to do that. Again, this house is lowered below the

469
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:25,520
other homes, and if it's that PV system is angled slightly towards the south east or west, then

470
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,380
wouldn't be as much of a reflection on the homes above.

471
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:33,680
But basically, that's a lot of the public comments that we've received in this

472
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,500
main letter that you just received today,

473
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,480
have to do with the concerns about the narrow way through the road structure.

474
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:42,640
So here I just wanted to provide some photos of the road.

475
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Like I said, I measured it just about 12 to 13 feet here.

476
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,200
And then there's that you can see there's a steep drop off on one side,

477
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:52,520
and this is basically a very steep cut on this side.

478
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:58,020
So, a very limited ability to simply widen the road just to be aware of that.

479
00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:02,940
Now, the public works department, I did talk to the director, she said that the public

480
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:09,240
works is in the process of looking at guard rails throughout the town and looking at appropriate

481
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,760
locations for these, and this is one of those potential locations.

482
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,600
Unfortunately, they were held up a bit by what the reason pandemic and we're able to get

483
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,900
moved forward as quickly as they could, but they are looking at that and other traffic safety

484
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:28,120
measures on this road, so they are, and she indicated that if some neighbors have concerns

485
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:35,120
or some questions that they can contact her, so I can freely give that email address.

486
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,820
She said that she would be willing to, she may be on the meeting tonight if she's listening

487
00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:43,980
in, but anyway, that was, I just want to bring that up with her guard, because we are aware

488
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:46,060
that there is definitely this concern of this road.

489
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:49,560
Could you mention who she is?

490
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,460
Yeah, I mean Nicole Bauer Sox, the Pogor circuit.

491
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:54,880
That's all it.

492
00:41:56,580 --> 00:42:02,020
And so in our conclusion, recommendations, the new President, the Ressons Pool, MeetAll,

493
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,460
Floor, Irator, Volmonary, Setbacks, and Hyde requirements.

494
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,700
A design does incorporate multiple design elements intended to reduce the mass of the structure

495
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:14,840
and it was modified to address specifically this planning commission recommendations.

496
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:20,260
exterior lighting most because of the recessed under eaves and canopy lighting with lower

497
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:26,540
lumens and warmer lighting and but they do still retain those under eaves on the second

498
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:31,700
floor again because it's a deep recess and probably the designer can explain more of how

499
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,280
he just came up with that lighting design.

500
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:38,300
Without that the growth of trees will be preserved and we'll screen the structure from

501
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:42,420
the homes below and also the screen vegetation around the perimeter property is being

502
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:46,340
to entertain except for a few trees that have died, and they will be removed.

503
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,280
Heavy construction operations will require notifications of the neighbors, the 48-hour

504
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,940
notification, and flight persons to improve safety. So staff is recommending approval

505
00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:58,760
of the project. And I'm available for questions.

506
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:05,680
Any questions for Steve?

507
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:11,480
I have to go ahead.

508
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,420
Yes, Steve.

509
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,360
This is Brigida Indicco.

510
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:17,860
Thank you for a very thorough report.

511
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:21,080
This is definitely advanced along nicely.

512
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,720
I have a question about the lotting for the second level.

513
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:29,040
Looking at that picture is there a way you can just kind of point.

514
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:33,740
I see there's like a terrace with the blue glass light doors there.

515
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:40,240
There's not much of a roof overhang on the second level. That's what I'm talking about. Where would the exterior lighting be?

516
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:50,200
Basically, I don't know if you can see my pointer here showing in this area. Yeah, you're basically in the two rear flange and not anywhere where the windows are

517
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:57,740
Yeah, there's a deck inside here that that's where a lot of their lighting is they don't he he's not showing much lighting in these areas

518
00:43:57,740 --> 00:44:04,400
where it's a shallow roof-eave, it's only in the deeper roof-eaves in here and in this area here.

519
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:11,200
I think Fred also stated down in the lower level as these large overhangs that he has some

520
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,940
recessed lighting. There are recessed lighting that does have shields on them that you can actually

521
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:22,780
it doesn't have the direct bulb shining downward and I think that might be something to consider.

522
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:31,200
I think there is wall sconces would probably provide some of the same amount of illumination,

523
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:39,500
just for the fact that it's a second floor, but I think we can look at maybe some shielded

524
00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:46,660
canlights or something. I've seen those before and they are pretty effective and not reducing

525
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:59,780
layer. Yeah, because I'm looking here at a 2.1, there's like, it looks like a breeze way on that second level if I'm looking at this correctly in here, right? Yeah, is that enclosed?

526
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Or is that open? It looks like it's enclosed from, I'm not, you know, portions of it are an open deck. Just like this, back in here.

527
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Okay, so there looks like there could be like a balcony next to the elevator shaft.

528
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,240
Yeah, I believe so. I mean, we can have Fred maybe explain in more detail.

529
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:30,240
Yeah, that's the main question I have there, and then also on this image because I know that there is some

530
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:41,460
siding as well, where is this maybe Fred he can go into this more the siding versus the stucco walls where that is besides the metal roof. I see the metal roof.

531
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,440
But is there another out to other elements for the walls stucco and

532
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,020
for the sightings actually on the back side

533
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:51,760
that you can't see in this perspective.

534
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Okay, all right.

535
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,960
And I thank you guys also for preserving all the trees

536
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,100
as spectacular, great report.

537
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Thank you.

538
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:02,740
I think you got them all my questions.

539
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:05,460
And Jim,

540
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,300
after I'm mute first.

541
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:14,360
Yes, got it.

542
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:17,000
Thank you Steve.

543
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:18,700
Not only is it a good report,

544
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,240
but I really appreciate your writing.

545
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:23,520
I have a couple of questions.

546
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:33,420
You mentioned there would be an issue about notifying the residents when a large truck comes by.

547
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,160
Or is it planning to come by?

548
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:36,900
What is a large truck?

549
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:43,400
I mean, if the, if the, if the guy comes to empty the port of bodies,

550
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:45,860
I kind of think that's a large truck.

551
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:46,840
Does that qualify?

552
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Or is there something that we could tell the residents nearby so that they have an expectation of what this benefit does for them?

553
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Sure, so yeah, I wouldn't be I guess it should be more that it's when certain operations occur

554
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,120
where there are obviously using trucks where they're delivering materials or the cement truck or they're hauling

555
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,440
soil away, a random truck just coming every once in a while, like, you know, just like

556
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,760
how the garbage truck goes around town, that probably wouldn't be anything. I mean, we

557
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,240
could try and get that encompassed in this notification. But the whole point of the notification

558
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,080
is that you know, $40 an advance that they're going to be creating or, you know, digging up

559
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:41,880
basement for two weeks. We have flag men, both ends of the street, directing traffic, making sure

560
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,640
residents are safe coming down up and down the road. But that's the type of idea that when the

561
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,640
flag men come out or flag persons come out and when you're doing that operation. Generally,

562
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,340
that's what we're looking at, not just the random truck once a while, that might come to pick up the

563
00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:59,120
septic or green septic system or something.

564
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:04,500
So yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be, we didn't anticipate, you know,

565
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:08,360
flagmen there to hear straight, because that might be what you would have

566
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,740
to do to help us all of those possibilities.

567
00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:11,680
Okay.

568
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:12,820
Thank you.

569
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:18,400
I'm not really asking for changes in this area or suggesting changes

570
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,180
in this area.

571
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:23,540
I just want to make sure that the residents have an expectation

572
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:25,320
that we can meet well.

573
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:35,060
The other question or thought I had about this very subject is that the road, the truck size is kind of a function of how much room there is there.

574
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:41,260
You have a slide, a couple slides back that shows a picture of the road, and that one right there.

575
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:51,880
And you can see those only Anders are just really taking away 15% of the width of the road and sure somebody could drive over there, but they're not going to.

576
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,620
I wonder who has the responsibility for trimming those only Anders, and whether there was

577
00:48:57,620 --> 00:49:04,400
something we could do modest effort to help the situation a little bit just by making sure

578
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,280
that that is taken care of so that that doesn't further exacerbate the problem?

579
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:14,780
Sure, in fact it's an interesting point you bring up about the truck size because during the

580
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:20,040
there's some photos I think in the letter that you received showing the truck that was used in the

581
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:26,120
was a tractor trailer and it actually couldn't negotiate some of the turns easily.

582
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,400
So clearly that's not the type of truck that needs to be coming up this road at all.

583
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:36,760
I mean, if they're hauling soils away, that's going to have to be the 10-ton trucks,

584
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,080
which are basically three axle.

585
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,320
It can't be anything with a trailer because they literally may not be able to

586
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,880
negotiate the turns safely, but any event,

587
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,760
Yeah, that's the idea is the types of trucks would be the, like the 10-ton, three-axle-type trucks.

588
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:00,000
Not the ones with trailers, because you've probably seen the larger grading trucks that have the...

589
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:25,740
So, we're looking on this. But for the road, maintenance, it is a public road. And so, obviously, public works. We've been in discussions with them. Are they been looking at options for traffic safety? And that's definitely something they could look at is potentially on this roadway of doing some printing back of some of the brochure, whatever that is extending into the paved area.

590
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:36,220
Well, thank you. I don't think that we, it's our role to tell them what to do, but maybe we can elevate that for the sake of the neighbors there.

591
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:41,410
But those were all really quick.

592
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:44,010
Okay. Anyone else?

593
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:49,420
And yet see no questions?

594
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:51,020
Yeah, I do.

595
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,320
But I'm losing myself.

596
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,420
Going back to the picture we had before this, the artist's impression from the air.

597
00:50:59,420 --> 00:51:08,400
Yeah, I'm a little bit confused and I like clarification at one point I heard the roof was a bronze matte color.

598
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,600
And then I heard reference to some kind of state permitted.

599
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:23,780
Last thing, what did I said? They had a right to put some other thing on the roof. Oh, sorry.

600
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:35,200
Sure, it's a it's a dark bronze map finish. So this is probably not exactly what a dark bronze map finish is, but this is what the architect gave us.

601
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,840
It's easy that kind of darker brownish look.

602
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:42,220
But it's the same thing as you were talking about.

603
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:43,780
What's it PVC or

604
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:51,140
Well, in fact, the home on summit would has that dark bronze roof finish.

605
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,400
I should have taken a picture of it, that's my mistake.

606
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,840
But yeah, this is more of that warm gray.

607
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:59,740
So it would be a darker bronze brownish look.

608
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:02,680
But the actual material is not metal, it's plastic.

609
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,560
I know, this is a metal roof.

610
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:05,580
It's a metal ceiling.

611
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,740
I guess I heard somewhere, there was something plastic on the roof.

612
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:10,960
Or did I miss the other?

613
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,380
No, what I was saying was is there's a photovoltaic system.

614
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:20,220
They're putting a PV array on the roof that you're not seeing in this picture.

615
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,160
I heard it would be right this area here.

616
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:23,240
Okay.

617
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:26,960
I heard PVC and I, I'm sorry.

618
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,220
Okay.

619
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:30,120
That's what it was.

620
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,800
Thank you.

621
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:38,750
So finally, let me ask a question.

622
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:39,750
Oh, okay.

623
00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:42,570
I think you done may have some question?

624
00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:49,480
I have two more questions, I'm sorry, it's such a lively conversation, it just percolates

625
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:57,480
of their ideas for me. As far as on the solar panels, would they be flush with the design

626
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,840
of the roof, maybe does either see the answer or the architect when he gets on, he can answer

627
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,980
that, as far as how that would be integrated in the back there. And then the other question,

628
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:13,580
which may be totally unrelated, but it is related somewhat. Currently there is a gate that is very close

629
00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:20,700
to the road. I'm assuming that any gates for the driveway and fences are going to be delayed

630
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:24,980
for landscape screening review. And that's it. Thank you.

631
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:33,800
Sure, I can answer those. Well, we met the designer architect out in the field, he did state

632
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:40,260
that the PV panels would be flush with the roof that they're meant to be designed with the roof.

633
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:43,620
You know, coordinated with the style of the roof.

634
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,520
So those would be flush mounted.

635
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:50,500
Yes, the gate is something that the fire department hasn't reviewed at this time,

636
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:56,940
but any new gate has to meet those criteria, which are 30 feet away from the edge of the roadway.

637
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,980
And that's where the gate would start.

638
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:07,340
And we would be looking at that with the landscape screening and also any other exterior lighting that's not attached to the building.

639
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:10,760
Okay, great. Thank you.

640
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:16,780
Okay. My question was again regarding the road.

641
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,840
Since the file department reviews projects,

642
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:28,580
and if there is a private road or the road going into a home,

643
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:32,760
it expects that road to be of a certain width.

644
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:52,200
So does that review also apply to public roads and have they given any suggestions on what this public road should be, you know, how wide it should be for all of the residents and construction of these properties?

645
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:57,400
Yeah, so the fire department does not comment on public roads.

646
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:28,940
But it was a public situation where if it's a private road, it would need to be 20 feet wide, but because it's a public road, you can get a game with 13 feet or whatever narrow road, one chooses to have.

647
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:39,120
I don't know what the answer to that problem is, but it definitely is ironic that that is the approach.

648
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:54,960
If I may jump in here and it's been brought up in the latest letter, we as a planning commission wrote about this problem to the town council and we've never had a reply.

649
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:06,400
And at the time that we wrote that, we had no idea that public roads, ironically, have no requirement

650
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:13,820
I.E. the fire departments, says they're just dandy, but private roads, not only does the

651
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:24,160
fire department demand that they be a certain width, they demand that they be wider in the

652
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:32,220
the roads in Los Alters Hills, which boggles my mind. But that being the case, I'd like to

653
00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:43,440
just, so people can think about it, mention that we do have, right, at this point, to demand

654
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:53,400
an extra right of way up on the road. So we can at least plan ahead. Now it may be hard to construct

655
00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:15,060
Because there's a slope, but at least we should have the right of way, the town has engineered stuff like that before there's a big curve on page mill road, which used to drop off like that and the town put in some pillars and pilings and built it out.

656
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:22,200
So this is not the time to discuss that necessarily, but I'd mention it for you to start thinking about it.

657
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,720
It is a town road, and I think we have a moral beauty as a town, then, to make an effort.

658
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:31,440
And we'll discuss that later.

659
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:33,940
Okay, agree.

660
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,400
Yeah, let's continue with this item.

661
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:51,080
So next, if there's no more questions, I would like to ask the applicant to make their presentation and please keep it to 15 minutes that is allocated to

662
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:01,000
you.

663
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:05,060
And believe Fred Herring is there is

664
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:09,240
Fred you're muted.

665
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:35,860
Who you were there Fred, then you needed yourself again.

666
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:46,670
Now we can hear me, but not see me or you can both hear me and see me.

667
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:49,690
I can only hear you, I can't see you.

668
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:53,270
Well, it's probably best.

669
00:58:56,770 --> 00:59:03,630
As a general description, Steve gave a very complete and accurate report on the changes.

670
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:07,110
that the essential elements that the planning commission

671
00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:10,690
asked me to alter from the previous version to this version.

672
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:14,410
And in a kind of overview,

673
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:17,290
it's essentially going back to the approach

674
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:19,970
to the house from the street in the same way,

675
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:24,290
my first design for my previous client was approved

676
00:59:24,290 --> 00:59:26,890
and deleting the large section of driveway

677
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:28,930
that came farther down the hill

678
00:59:28,930 --> 00:59:31,530
to enter below the two-story house.

679
00:59:31,530 --> 00:59:42,310
That's the section of the earlier version that this commission reviewed that was found to appear to be too high when seen from down slope.

680
00:59:42,950 --> 01:00:00,010
That I think you can see from the rendering that's entirely altered now so that when you're if you were walking along that yet to be constructed trail at the back of the property that far down slope of the property when you look up.

681
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,120
The highest element in the back where you used to see a full floor where cars could enter a garage.

682
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:09,700
You now see three feet of pool projecting above the existing grade.

683
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,900
So it's significant change in the appearance from the back.

684
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:22,200
The other thing is managing to restrict the development entirely to the area of the pad of the 1950s house.

685
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:32,500
So that we don't spanned out that was the don't build on 50% slow suggestion from the commission and

686
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:37,980
In reply to some of the questions that were raised as Steve was making his presentation

687
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:44,340
There are a significant number of places where the roof of this house the dark bronze roof

688
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:48,060
Not only is the roof, but it rolls over and becomes the wall

689
01:00:48,640 --> 01:01:11,820
That's on the upslope side of the house you didn't see in that rendering and in terms of looking up into the house, which you would only do if you were down below on the yet to be constructed trail and you look up the softlets and the overhangs that we in that rendering appear to be sure not really so short their five feet six inches.

690
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:36,820
There are also clad and cedar, so that Western red cedar is not a, it's a dark material, and it's my intention to have the stucco kind of a reflection and extension of the cedar softlets that are in the outside softlet and come right into the house and are in this big curved ceiling within, so it's a, it's the continuity of that.

691
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:48,820
the sort of the visual demonstration of the shape of the space using that cedar ceiling that's hard to see in those renderings, but will be a really important visual part of the new home.

692
01:01:50,320 --> 01:02:01,520
The exterior lighting, I mean to restrict entirely to where you're coming out onto a terrace at the upper floor or the lower floor, the main floor, not to have it anywhere else.

693
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:09,460
That second floor narrow portion of what's really a walkway between two lobes of space,

694
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,400
one on the end toward these sunset is the master bedroom suite,

695
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,580
and at the other end are smaller bedrooms.

696
01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:22,220
If that's not at all exterior, that's entirely interior space.

697
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:39,220
And as far as light reflection of the exterior, reducing it to a level 40 is perfectly okay with me, I don't intend to be a bright white with a dark, dark roof kind of house.

698
01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:53,910
I can't recall any other specific questions you were asking, but if you have any please ask and I'll be happy to explain the building.

699
01:02:59,510 --> 01:03:01,630
Let's see what happens here.

700
01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:10,720
Thank you, Fred, and anybody from the African other than Fred, you are going to talk?

701
01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:17,340
I think that's it. I'm accustomed to doing these things and the main presentation I know

702
01:03:17,340 --> 01:03:23,560
ordinarily make to a commission or a series of architectural models. You've seen the last one.

703
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,740
And I, of course, have constructed a subsequent one that shows this

704
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:31,300
diminution of the down slope improvements.

705
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,100
But if I could figure out how to, oh, maybe I can.

706
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:38,460
There I am up there.

707
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:46,360
So let's see if perhaps, oh, wow.

708
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,280
Yeah, let's get it right.

709
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:57,780
So you can see that this amount of pool showing above grade is all there is and the town's

710
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:04,740
grading ordinance limits this to three feet. So if you, if you were out at the bottom of the

711
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:11,720
law, looking back up, the height of the old sort of broken retaining walls there is actually higher

712
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:18,040
than the top of the pool where it was supposed. So what you've got now is more visible from the bottom

713
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:25,280
the lot from the walkway than what we construct subsequent life. And the soffets, maybe I'll

714
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:32,660
turn that up a little and come a little closer, the soffets that will actually contain lighting

715
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:40,000
on the upper floor are here and you go out onto this terrace and here we go out onto this terrace

716
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:47,100
and here and those are deep overhangs. So if I set those soffets close to the wall, they're very

717
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,340
mask from anywhere else.

718
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:56,760
So I guess I can give you a view. There you are coming down the driveway

719
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,960
to go under the house of the subterranean giraffes.

720
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:13,000
You're in the emergency vehicle after I've just visited my client had a heart attack and how did you take it away? That's the fire department compliant roadway to get to the front door to pick me up.

721
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:23,020
And the, there is the rear of the house, whereas I say the roof often rolls right over and becomes the wall.

722
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:36,180
So, and the roadway up here, which is beyond the scope of my model, the top of this roof, the very high point, is pretty much the same as this driveway coming over.

723
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,180
I sent some Steve some photographs that will mark up the illustrate that.

724
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:44,900
And I spoke to the environmental committee on site and pointed that out to them.

725
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:48,340
as far as I know, that was the success that presentation.

726
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:54,200
That's the end scene from, let's see what I've got to write.

727
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,620
Yes, that's the end scene.

728
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,720
From that dense grove of trees that Steve was saying,

729
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:03,060
if you peer through them, you can kind of obscurely see

730
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:05,600
the house that's more or less at the same level,

731
01:06:05,860 --> 01:06:08,920
but the driveway up above his swept down and reached.

732
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,880
There's one more house, but it's up this way.

733
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:29,620
a slope from this, but it's vertical change, it's another from the top of this roof to the floor of the main level of that house is a vertical change in about 35 feet.

734
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:35,580
It's really, if you are standing on the neighbor's porch looking down the story poles,

735
01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:41,940
the highest of which is this kind of grids line, like that. You'll discover that there's no way

736
01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:48,240
this building can intrude on them or cast a lot of light into that. There is a way.

737
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:59,870
Okay, great. Thank you, Fred, for showing that Martin McReady perspective.

738
01:06:59,870 --> 01:07:02,730
effective. If you'd like to see the difference,

739
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:12,450
it's the previous one. So you'll see you have a

740
01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:19,150
really basically a floor beneath the pool and then the pool and the garage here. So all of this

741
01:07:19,150 --> 01:07:22,950
is depressed considerably this time compared to where it wants.

742
01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:30,410
So if you have questions please ask.

743
01:07:34,210 --> 01:07:34,650
Yeah,

744
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:42,540
thank you very much Fred for a wonderful redesign. I mean, you really took it and

745
01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:44,460
started over again. Very nice job.

746
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,940
Now because I was out for the first time, or the second time around, not the first,

747
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:54,540
the second time. Very nice with the model too. Let me just ask you because I have that lighting

748
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:58,980
mentality and also I did go over to the Jesuit retreat center and they're the ones that do

749
01:07:58,980 --> 01:08:05,440
have the the biggest view impact from your your model there. So the only lighting that

750
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,760
on the second level is right there, we're that bedroom number one is bedroom number

751
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,900
two and three because that roof overhang is like almost like nothing.

752
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:21,560
It appears to be which we should the overall hang from bedroom one is quite deep. It's actually

753
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,820
five and a half feet at the far end of the building where it's the other two bedrooms you're

754
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:31,700
that the overhang is very short. Yes, so there's I assume there's no recess lighting up in that

755
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:37,200
story. There isn't a place to put it that's right. Yeah. And then on the one here with the deck

756
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:45,380
with the bedroom number one is possible just to have like the the shielded wall sconces there and

757
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:53,220
so have recess. I'm shielding is a good idea. If the kind of lighting that Steve was talking about

758
01:08:53,220 --> 01:09:03,300
I could find a fielded recessed light. I'd like that. I try hard to avoid lights on the wall

759
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:09,360
simply because, you know, I'm looking for this smoothly curved surface and I'm trying

760
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:16,960
hard not to put things on it. If I can't find one that is shielded that goes beneath the

761
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:23,960
I'm happy to change it and you know, find myself a shield at one that I'll fit right next to the door.

762
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:31,240
The main reason is because the elevation of the house pad itself is just pretty high up there,

763
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:37,740
which gives you beautiful views, but also it creates a lot of views from various paths along the Jesuit retreat center,

764
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,420
because I traipsed around there all this a day when I forgot permission to go over there and take a look.

765
01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:48,780
and that's only thinking and also there again because it's so highly visible from that area.

766
01:09:49,860 --> 01:09:55,020
The colors are going to be really important for me that it blends, that you blend with nature,

767
01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:59,960
and it seems like you want to blend with nature. And because it was just continued.

768
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:10,700
To make your creation uniform, following your doctor, bronze, roof, and the stuck go in the, I think you want to kind of commune with nature sounds like.

769
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:13,920
I do indeed. It's a beautiful sight and I wanted to stay that way.

770
01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:24,840
I'm so thrilled with your redesign. I thank you very much for really taking this task to heart and really coming up with a total redesign. Very well done. Thank you.

771
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:43,440
I too am in all of your creativity for Eddie just looks marvelous. I don't have the experience that the other commissioners have about the technical aspects of the construction, but I know what I like.

772
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:50,620
There is an issue on the far side of the property that has nothing to do with the construction.

773
01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:58,060
You and I spoke about this and I just wanted to briefly reiterate that conversation for the other commissioners.

774
01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:10,940
And that is that the easement for the pathway that is shared between your property and the neighbor property in the documents that were released was a ten-foot easement.

775
01:11:11,780 --> 01:11:27,460
And that causes a problem in that we need 20 feet because it's so steep, I believe you commented that you felt that you needed room to do switchbacks and not try to engineer just a straight set of stairs going all the way up the thing.

776
01:11:27,460 --> 01:11:35,100
And I'm just wondering if you and your client would be amenable to making that a 20-foot set

777
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:41,720
of easements so that we could have the switchbacks and support this very important pathway

778
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:47,380
primarily because it is so far distant from the home as it's designed.

779
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,400
What do you think?

780
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:57,140
Well, as I said this afternoon, I don't think there's a, I wouldn't like to see a specific

781
01:11:57,140 --> 01:12:03,460
number, like 20 feet, 30 feet or whatever, selected, but working with you to find a way to

782
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:09,260
make the pathway work reasonably for somebody who's going to use it. I'm sure that will be okay.

783
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:14,740
I'm certainly okay with me and I'm confident it will be okay with my owner. As you say,

784
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:20,920
the house is a long way away. And right now, and I said this to the pathway committee before

785
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:27,460
they requested, then feed and I said, yes, to that, that would be an almost continuous stare.

786
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,380
I mean, and a stare that doesn't have landings is a really tough stare.

787
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,300
So, it won't be true at the beginning along that property line, but then it will be very

788
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:38,560
true.

789
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:43,380
It may be that the appropriate easement after we figure out a stare that fits the ground,

790
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,480
starts out 10 feet, and then becomes 20, and then goes back to 10.

791
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:49,180
But I don't think it's one.

792
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,380
We should just pick a number.

793
01:12:50,380 --> 01:12:54,640
We should simply say we'll be happy to work with you, so the thing will make sense.

794
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:57,640
Thank you.

795
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,840
That's the only question that I have.

796
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:03,830
Any other questions?

797
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:09,390
All right.

798
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:10,850
Thank you, Fred.

799
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:13,690
Since we have no other questions,

800
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:19,450
I'm going to open it up for the members to the public at this point.

801
01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:22,850
Please restrict your comments to three minutes.

802
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:29,710
And I have 40 assistant getting the public.

803
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:41,690
I can hear me okay.

804
01:13:43,330 --> 01:13:43,950
Yes.

805
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:45,030
Okay.

806
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:47,070
I just wanted to jump in.

807
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:54,010
I'm chair of the Pathways Committee and wanted to note that I completely agree.

808
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:55,650
Staff report was great.

809
01:13:56,270 --> 01:14:00,810
But just noting the comment about also requesting an easement on the neighboring property.

810
01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:22,190
Basically, this property is better suited for the primary path going down, but because it's steep, we were thinking we would potentially need switchbacks for the neighboring one as well, so I know we're talking about this property now, but just wanted to kind of flag that that was the intention behind that and the context behind that conversation. Thank you.

811
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:44,530
You're on mute.

812
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:45,590
You're here.

813
01:14:46,450 --> 01:14:47,110
No, again.

814
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:48,250
Okay.

815
01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:58,850
I would like to thank applicants, architect, for doing such a good job in complying with the instructions of the planning commission.

816
01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:59,950
It would really be too much.

817
01:15:00,980 --> 01:15:28,720
I do still have concerns about the lighting, especially on the second floor. And I think that one of the things that was brought up by Steve Patterson and Fred was to shield the rest of the lighting. And that would be great because the house is very visible, not only from the Jesuits, but across the valley, not so much from the current residents.

818
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:40,000
The other thing I would like to do is say that I hope there'll be a little area of landscaping in front of the pool, where shrubs great to be.

819
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:47,140
Point to mask the pool, the three feet of the pool that's the stuff.

820
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:56,690
And one of the things that I noticed on the terrace on the second floor, does it have large whales.

821
01:15:57,950 --> 01:16:05,170
Because it looks, it's a beautiful thing, but it doesn't look like there's any railings.

822
01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:14,610
And the other thing that I would like to mention is going to be two homes which are aware of being built on a very narrow street.

823
01:16:14,610 --> 01:16:42,870
A Sunset, and I was wondering that you should probably condition it not only that you let the neighbors know what activity is going to be happening within 48 hours, but each of those sites working together and notifying each other, because you want 20 cement trucks at the bottom of Sunset, I've had a here on summer hill, where you just have constant

824
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:58,310
So I think that it might be a nice idea to try to get those two types of things at the same time to talk to each other.

825
01:16:59,070 --> 01:17:01,770
And I think that's it.

826
01:17:02,670 --> 01:17:03,550
Thank you.

827
01:17:26,530 --> 01:17:27,650
If you are on real,

828
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:45,980
whoever's on the phone number, you're still on you.

829
01:17:46,140 --> 01:17:47,780
We can't hear you if you're trying to talk.

830
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:55,620
Yes, this is Shamali Banner G. Can you hear me? Shamali Banner G132123 Sunset Drive.

831
01:17:55,980 --> 01:18:02,880
I had a question for Fred. You did say that there would be PPC, the photovoltaic cells

832
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:08,660
that would be covering the roof. So then what is the roof color is metallic bronze mat.

833
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:14,480
And then the PVC slide are flush on it. What is the color of the roof at that point?

834
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,700
And it's at 100% covered the roof, the metal roof.

835
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,820
And my second question is, from your LE Salvation,

836
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,860
all those windows that are there,

837
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:30,420
so when the sun rises on the east,

838
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:33,600
those will reflect.

839
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,420
There will be so much glare.

840
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,860
I have a couple of houses there,

841
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:41,560
and some of them and during sunrise,

842
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:47,640
and some of them, during sunset, this is huge glare from those windows.

843
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,300
So what are your plans to decrease that glare?

844
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:55,440
And that's it, thank you.

845
01:19:03,810 --> 01:19:06,010
Great, you're on mute.

846
01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:07,890
Wow, can you hear me?

847
01:19:09,070 --> 01:19:16,130
And can we wait till we hear all the public comments and then maybe you can address all of them together?

848
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:18,270
I can't if you wish.

849
01:19:18,650 --> 01:19:25,350
Yeah, let's go ahead and hear all the other comments because you may have a not many more things to address.

850
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,160
Thank you.

851
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,240
Can you hear me?

852
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:39,760
Yes, hi.

853
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,340
I am your neighbor at 13254.

854
01:19:43,460 --> 01:19:50,600
I'm the owner of the other project and I just wanted to say I actually really support your project.

855
01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:52,880
I think the design looks great.

856
01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:59,940
I know we haven't been able to connect, I'd be happy.

857
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
We could, but you're a project host, right? That's it.

858
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:21,960
Do you doubt me, or am I still muted?

859
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:23,680
Okay.

860
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:35,340
So my question is, in terms of approval of this project, and by the way, Fred, very nice job.

861
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:42,340
It's a product owner of AutoCAD and ArchiCAD, so I know what it takes to put that together.

862
01:20:42,340 --> 01:20:48,280
So very nice job on I would say flattening it out. I think it looks better now. I think it's kind of really great job

863
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,860
But in terms of

864
01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:55,220
Approval this project that the planning commission sent the letter

865
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:01,880
To the town council and you never got a response on the safety of the road

866
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,700
Don't you have an obligation to get a response from the town council?

867
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:09,080
You know, it is the case that

868
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:14,520
It's going to be a lot of traffic, everyone knows that it's already dangerous and quite

869
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:20,980
frankly, when you're a construction worker in a truck driver, speed is everything, so

870
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:28,060
you can't imagine the number of near-head-on collisions that happen on that road on a very regular

871
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:29,140
basis.

872
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:30,420
So, first question.

873
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,500
The second one, for Steve, very nice job in presenting everything.

874
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:42,000
My question to you Steve is I'm kind of a metrics guy, so like a big truck is too fuzzy

875
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:48,520
So why won't you just put a any truck over five tons why don't you put a

876
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,120
You number on it. I think that would be really helpful

877
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,660
And I certainly a four ton truck could be just a very large pickup

878
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:58,340
But once again to five ton and above

879
01:21:58,340 --> 01:22:02,700
Then you're really taking a lot of road, but my first question

880
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:06,740
and an alternate over to maybe the Germans.

881
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:13,140
Oh, right.

882
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,120
Who do anybody else?

883
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:25,570
Hello.

884
01:22:25,630 --> 01:22:26,990
This is Michelle, you.

885
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:29,510
I'm a resident on 13060.

886
01:22:30,710 --> 01:22:33,790
And the neighbors and I, we've created a letter.

887
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:36,990
So I was wondering, should I read the letter?

888
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:41,030
Or I was under the impression that Steve might read it?

889
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,100
Uh, so we already received the letter and all the commissioners have read it.

890
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:57,500
And it is being provided to the distributed to all public also.

891
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,460
Is that right, Steve?

892
01:23:01,610 --> 01:23:06,290
So I'm assuming at this point there is no reason for us to read it

893
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:09,230
because all of us are aware of that later.

894
01:23:10,730 --> 01:23:11,210
I see.

895
01:23:11,710 --> 01:23:14,990
In my case, can I specifically ask,

896
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:18,610
I am wondering when I read the conditions of approval,

897
01:23:18,610 --> 01:23:26,870
there is a mention of a 30 foot right of way and I'm wondering if Steve can explain what the

898
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:29,790
intention of that would be for.

899
01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:36,470
I can explain that right now if you'd like and I can also

900
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:42,030
look at those other conditions and just answer that right now. So the 30 foot right of way,

901
01:23:42,430 --> 01:23:47,790
so in the town of Los Atos Hills when you have a public road, the ideal with for the total right of

902
01:23:47,790 --> 01:23:59,210
60 feet. Right now Sunset is only 40 feet or at least 20 feet on this side. So that's why both properties are

903
01:23:59,210 --> 01:24:04,570
dedicating 10 more feet and it's just an easement. It's not actual land but they're dedicating

904
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:10,670
additional 10 foot easement for the road right away. And so that's what that 30 feet is regarding

905
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:19,170
is the half road with that's typically required of the public roads in town. As for the, I guess

906
01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:23,810
I could just dress that other condition also. I think that's a great idea. You're right,

907
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:29,110
it makes sense to actually have a ton of truck, so five ton or ten ton truck or something

908
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:36,170
of that regard. Probably a, you know, a large pickup is almost three tons or over three tons.

909
01:24:36,170 --> 01:24:41,970
So probably five tons would categorize any type of box truck or panel truck or some type

910
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:42,830
of delivery truck.

911
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:50,230
I just, I don't know how you PS things are seven tons, but I think airing on the side of

912
01:24:50,230 --> 01:24:58,210
more notification or protection of the, or have some, again, looking at trying to give

913
01:24:58,210 --> 01:24:59,750
as much warning to the residents as possible.

914
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,780
To be not a problem, so I'd be fine with the five ton if we want to go that low.

915
01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:13,880
And I think the other kind of room with the other condition was that they were asking for, but that's all I can recall at this point.

916
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:28,500
So if I was to look for a turnout, is that is that something I'm just wondering in terms of steps and before we, you know, decide whether or not to approve the project and for the planning commission, of course, to decide.

917
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:35,900
But is there going to be any reassurance that a guardrail is an addition to the guardrail to have a turnout?

918
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:42,900
I thought that the right of way and the easement would actually allow for something like that to be built.

919
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:51,300
I mean, it may depends on what the public works director when they're looking at safety features on this road.

920
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:58,540
If that's a possibility, the only issue here is that the road has very steep drop off and I've cut.

921
01:25:58,900 --> 01:26:03,660
So there's almost no place to put us turn out that unless it's somebody's driveway.

922
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:11,440
So I'm not sure if that's one of the safety measures that are looking at, but that would be something that public works would be looking at.

923
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,860
But again, we're not conditioning the project for say for that at this point.

924
01:26:15,860 --> 01:26:25,920
So, if I wanted to ask for a response about the safety during the construction, I wrote the letter,

925
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:31,860
I wonder what's the difference between me submitting the letter before the meeting versus actually asking,

926
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:39,260
like reading out the letter during the meeting, will I be able to get a response before the commission decides on this project?

927
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,640
Amy, are the potential load improvements?

928
01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:51,680
Well, just the fact that we as a group of residents have all shared the same concern about

929
01:26:51,680 --> 01:27:00,260
road safety and just not having had a chance to actually talk about how the road will be

930
01:27:00,260 --> 01:27:02,120
safer during this period of construction.

931
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:09,240
That is a very serious issue and I'm not sure if I need to ask for a motion to continue

932
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:16,340
this project or how I would be able to be reassured that this road will be in a position where

933
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:19,520
the service and use of it will not be disrupted.

934
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:26,520
Well, again, like I stated that we are looking

935
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:34,600
at doing the flag persons to ensure that there's no head on traffic occurring during these times of

936
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:41,720
where, again, we're talking about five times on truck or such, when you're doing this type of

937
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:47,400
condition of approval that if we find that it's not occurring during construction and we

938
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:52,540
get a complaint from a neighbor, then we shut the job site down if it happens more than, you know,

939
01:27:53,260 --> 01:27:56,580
if it's becoming an unsexy situation, and then that's that's how we address it.

940
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,240
Okay, so my last part, because I know I'm running out of time, is that for the, you know,

941
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:09,820
issues that I raise in the letter? At this point, do I, can I expect to get a response from the

942
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:20,080
or from the commissioners on the letter since I provided it before as a decision can be rendered on the project.

943
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,940
I'm just not sure how the sequence works.

944
01:28:24,580 --> 01:28:28,380
If I can jump in really quick, this section is really intended for comments.

945
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:33,340
The commission will factor in your comments and then take action accordingly.

946
01:28:33,820 --> 01:28:37,200
But ultimately, if you believe this is a concern, it will go beyond the project.

947
01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:40,260
You may want to address your comments directly to City Council.

948
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:42,380
Okay.

949
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,360
Anyone else, Cody?

950
01:28:57,470 --> 01:29:10,430
All right. Thank you, Cody. Since no one else for the public is there, I'll now ask the applicant to provide any response to the comments you heard and the questions.

951
01:29:10,430 --> 01:29:16,290
to address to you, and if you could just stick it to five minutes, please.

952
01:29:34,770 --> 01:29:35,950
You're muted, Fred.

953
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:41,710
Now you're good.

954
01:29:42,690 --> 01:29:43,550
Oops, again.

955
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:44,600
Now I'm good.

956
01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:45,690
Now you're good.

957
01:29:45,710 --> 01:29:46,070
Yes.

958
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:46,650
Okay.

959
01:29:49,090 --> 01:29:52,450
Perhaps attempting to follow in the sequence that they were raised.

960
01:29:54,830 --> 01:29:59,450
Was asked about the roof and the photo will take panels on it.

961
01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:59,990
Um...

962
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,120
And no, the roof is not entirely clad in photovoltaic. Candlesit is very largely standing seem dark bronze metal.

963
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:15,320
Where it is a photovoltaic panel, they are black, non-reflective mute, you know, matte color.

964
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:21,320
And they, of course, are facing the sun, so they're really kind of away from upslope neighbors.

965
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:28,320
And I mean them to be integrated with the slope of the roof, so they look like a continuous thing.

966
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:30,580
Um,

967
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:33,740
rock size.

968
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:39,440
We're talking in numbers that I have to tell you don't make sense.

969
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:51,500
A, um, an ordinary sized concrete chalk, not a particularly large one, is carrying 18 tons of concrete, not 5,000 pounds.

970
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:57,180
So, simply to deliver concrete in a nine-yard truck, which is, there are lots of tens and

971
01:30:57,180 --> 01:31:02,120
12s on the roads, requires a much bigger limit than that.

972
01:31:02,420 --> 01:31:10,840
I also think, and I speak from long experience on public hearings where the planning commissions

973
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:17,060
councils and so on believe they are doing the residents of favor by limiting the truck side

974
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:24,380
and in fact, it's counterproductive at 20 yard end dump truck, which is an articulated truck.

975
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:32,280
With flag men can readily back up these sunset and reach this project or the one this next door that I believe you're hearing next.

976
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:40,520
And there will be many few of them. Then, you know, a host of smaller trucks isn't an improvement for the neighborhood.

977
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,580
It's a step backwards.

978
01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:47,580
So I hope you don't include in those conditions, highly restricted, you know,

979
01:31:49,180 --> 01:31:54,400
but basically a 10-wheel truck, when you, when an end dump can get there,

980
01:31:54,420 --> 01:31:58,680
and will be vastly better, not just for ourselves as the builders,

981
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:04,520
but for the neighbors as well, because it will diminish the number of trucks that are going to be coming.

982
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,120
Maybe you have to remind me, I can't think of somebody else's race.

983
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:17,480
Oh, I guess the other issue is of course the big issue is the road, which one of the commissioners

984
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:23,420
at the last hearing was kind enough. The point out that's really not something we can do anything about.

985
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:28,280
I mean, the mitigations that Steve is suggesting, the flagmen, the advanced notice.

986
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,300
That's about as good as we can make it.

987
01:32:32,540 --> 01:32:37,960
We restricted to putting out a notice when they come to clean out a port of body.

988
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:44,960
It's an impractical thing, but if we say, look, tomorrow there's going to be six concrete trucks

989
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:51,000
or not tomorrow, but 48 hours from now, that's real notice and the flag man can let them through

990
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:57,600
and the trucks, I'm sure, will wait at the bottom of the sunset, not on the sunset or it would completely

991
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:05,500
block the road. We need to be good neighbors, and we'll be better neighbors with bigger trucks.

992
01:33:07,770 --> 01:33:16,850
Fred, I just wanted to state my understanding of what I heard, which wasn't that people were asking for a limit on the size of the truck.

993
01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:23,790
They were looking for a five time limit on what would require a notice to neighbors.

994
01:33:24,730 --> 01:33:32,410
Oh, under under five tons you don't notice them above five tons you with that, that's a perfectly reasonable one.

995
01:33:32,410 --> 01:33:44,290
I don't have any problem with that, it's just that there I have been in circumstances with small roads and various jurisdictions where the truck size itself was limited and I think that's a mistake.

996
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:55,000
And Fred, I think there was one more question for you regarding some clear off windows.

997
01:33:55,000 --> 01:34:00,160
Oh yes, we're running the glare of the windows, facing east, the morning sun, which is

998
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:05,860
basically coming up over sunset to look, but the real answer to that is the elevation

999
01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:12,360
of those windows, which is well down below sunsets, so a low morning sun rising to come

1000
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:17,380
over that road to reach those windows, I mean, the sun's going to be high enough so that

1001
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:21,540
the deep overhang in the front will shelter them before the sun is high enough to clear

1002
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:26,620
the health. That really isn't an issue for people looking down at the house from the road.

1003
01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:36,070
And we're not planning reflective coatings or anything that later in the day would be a problem.

1004
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:39,310
This is ordinary float clear glass.

1005
01:34:42,940 --> 01:34:48,840
Right. Thank you, Fred. Any of the planning commissioners have any questions?

1006
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,640
Go ahead, Brigida.

1007
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,800
You guys have one quick question as far as for the pool area and that area.

1008
01:34:58,680 --> 01:34:59,940
Are you planning any kind of garb?

1009
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,060
And it's so between could you go with wired guardrails versus glass guardrails?

1010
01:35:07,260 --> 01:35:14,960
Sure. There wasn't a question. I neglect it. When you say that it raised the question, someone

1011
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:20,220
asked about guardrails on the upper floor and suggested that the work weren't any shown. They

1012
01:35:20,220 --> 01:35:27,580
are, of course, required. I don't have a choice about having a guardrail, so you can't fall off a

1013
01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:32,380
The same thing is true out on the terraces where you might fall into the pool.

1014
01:35:33,980 --> 01:35:37,620
And at the main level, we're very close to grade.

1015
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:42,800
So we're not going to be the only guard rail.

1016
01:35:43,060 --> 01:35:44,400
It would really be pool protector.

1017
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,380
The neighbors' child can't walk down there and fall into pool kind of thing.

1018
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,100
And I'm planning on having a pool cover that accomplishes that.

1019
01:35:52,100 --> 01:36:08,180
So, I mean, that's the answer there and on the upper floor, I don't have any hesitation on accepting steel. I often, I'm more frequently used steel than glass. Black steel, horizontal application.

1020
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,460
Okay. Great. And let's see if there's anything else.

1021
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:23,840
Also, just so quickly, around the pool area, between the pool and the structure of the house, and that's basically a light well.

1022
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,180
and hard skate paddy is so any landscaping

1023
01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:30,400
that would come later on to help soften the house.

1024
01:36:30,820 --> 01:36:34,340
That would have to go on the outside of the pool

1025
01:36:34,340 --> 01:36:37,120
kind of kind of brief it wall.

1026
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:42,660
Because the other parts, well, you've got a patio,

1027
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,100
that kind of stays on the inside of the pool area.

1028
01:36:47,820 --> 01:36:49,900
So you still could have some softening

1029
01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:52,320
on the either side of the pool,

1030
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:59,880
That's still open and you're the elevated driveway where you have the upper or driveway.

1031
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:07,720
You've got areas there for planting certain materials later on at landscape screening time that can help soften the house as well.

1032
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:10,380
We have possibilities of sounds like.

1033
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:12,760
Thank you.

1034
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:13,400
Thank you.

1035
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:16,100
All right.

1036
01:37:16,420 --> 01:37:21,320
Any more questions for anybody staff or applicant?

1037
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:30,560
Actually, if I could just add I apologize I forgot to add two conditions and I just want Fred to be aware of them

1038
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:37,440
There's standard conditions but I just wanted to outline that we're going to add a condition that requires at the home meat

1039
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:55,460
meet are the R337 guidelines in the the link code. Is there regarding fire resistant materials and such. And the other good. And the other condition or that we're going to add is the reach codes. All these new homes need to have electric space heating and water.

1040
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,480
I just want to add those two.

1041
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:06,400
Electric electric heating basically well, that's the idea. This is a home that will have radiant heating.

1042
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:14,420
So, it really means that you have an electric heat pump that you keep the electricity from the solar panel on the thing to a battery to the heat pump

1043
01:38:14,420 --> 01:38:18,040
to warm your floor, so we'll be compliant with that.

1044
01:38:19,180 --> 01:38:19,880
Thank you.

1045
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:34,260
Alright, so at this point, if there's no one else who has questions, I'm going to

1046
01:38:39,090 --> 01:38:40,510
close public hearing

1047
01:38:40,510 --> 01:38:46,570
And I'll get the discussion back to the planning commission.

1048
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:51,900
Okay, I'll go first.

1049
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:53,680
Okay.

1050
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:58,820
First of all, this is a landmark house.

1051
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:04,200
It's a pity it's not right next to 280, so we can point to it.

1052
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,020
Like we do the Flintstone House in Hillsborough.

1053
01:39:08,060 --> 01:39:18,060
But this one is going to go down as the question of taste, I know, but I think it's beautiful.

1054
01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:23,180
My own concern has to do with the road.

1055
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:26,520
I'm sure we can sort out the pathway.

1056
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:34,800
You have a tremendous advantage here in that you're in communication with the neighbor.

1057
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:46,100
It was also coming to us today and as long as you guys talk, we could do no more, but say have at it a good day for the attitude.

1058
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,800
The road, I want to distinguish two things which we've kind of mixed up.

1059
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:58,840
There's worrying about the road with during construction and that's a construction takes two years.

1060
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:06,020
And that is a fairly temporary phenomenon. It's a pain in the neck, for only two years.

1061
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:16,080
But then there's another, however many years after that, if virus is will let us, it'll go on for centuries.

1062
01:40:18,140 --> 01:40:21,160
And we also have to do long range planning for that road.

1063
01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:31,430
And there is no precedent or fixed procedure, I think, on how to do this.

1064
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:40,270
This road has been a public road and substandard since before the town was formed.

1065
01:40:41,630 --> 01:40:49,130
If you look at the early maps as I have, it's been like this since before 1955.

1066
01:40:50,650 --> 01:40:56,250
And it's been a public road in the town ever since, and it's still as a problem.

1067
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:10,740
We have trouble getting the decision makers, I eat the town council, to even see the letter

1068
01:41:10,740 --> 01:41:14,720
we sent January 18 months ago, roughly.

1069
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:18,820
I think we need to repeat that.

1070
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:27,260
We got a letter today from a budding collaborative of neighbors, the neighbors as a group

1071
01:41:27,260 --> 01:41:32,860
have written to us, and I don't know, I think they copied the town council that they

1072
01:41:32,860 --> 01:41:34,140
Steve, you know,

1073
01:41:36,650 --> 01:41:40,870
I believe there is, yes, they did, was sent to the city council, yes.

1074
01:41:41,170 --> 01:41:50,230
Yeah. So, and I don't know what we can do to make sure the city council puts it on their agenda.

1075
01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:56,690
I mean, that appears to be a major hurdle. Maybe we need to take it by the shoulders and

1076
01:41:56,690 --> 01:41:57,870
But

1077
01:41:59,980 --> 01:42:06,660
they need, we need their help certainly to solve the long range fixing of this road.

1078
01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:10,440
We have a master pathway plan for pathways.

1079
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:18,200
We need a master long range plan for this road that includes the full length, not just these two neighbors.

1080
01:42:19,820 --> 01:42:22,380
At least that's my feeling on it.

1081
01:42:25,310 --> 01:42:29,170
And then there's the temporary one during construction.

1082
01:42:30,330 --> 01:42:36,830
And we're going to put a condition on where we have to send a letter to the neighbors before

1083
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:44,150
there's any concerted long range, you know, a porting of concrete, which may take

1084
01:42:44,150 --> 01:42:46,390
3, 4, 5 days or maybe even longer.

1085
01:42:47,150 --> 01:42:52,430
But we can't do it obviously for the occasional large truck that comes.

1086
01:42:52,430 --> 01:43:01,430
But when there's a big delivery of materials or a big removal of the, uh, we send them notice out and we have flag men.

1087
01:43:05,230 --> 01:43:08,350
Assuming that works, we still have another problem.

1088
01:43:10,030 --> 01:43:15,630
Not of materials delivery, but a workmen and their private cars.

1089
01:43:16,810 --> 01:43:19,990
This in my estimation is a much bigger problem.

1090
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:28,590
We keep having it in town where the road gets blocked because you've got 15-20

1091
01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:34,390
workmen who all want to park their cars somewhere and they park them at the end of

1092
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:42,150
the drive and along the road. And we see in our conditions that will put a stop order

1093
01:43:42,150 --> 01:43:50,630
notice out. I'm aware, at least I've been made aware, just this last couple of weeks.

1094
01:43:50,890 --> 01:43:55,730
We had a situation where the town basically said, I give up. Call the sheriff.

1095
01:43:58,580 --> 01:43:59,020
So, I

1096
01:43:59,020 --> 01:44:06,540
didn't know how we put more teeth into it. But it's ignored or observed more in the breach.

1097
01:44:06,540 --> 01:44:13,200
At least that's the feeling I get from roads like this narrow road with narrow entrances

1098
01:44:13,780 --> 01:44:15,340
and workman's vehicles.

1099
01:44:16,820 --> 01:44:19,820
And we may need a solution for the workman's vehicles.

1100
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:30,740
It's not the big trucks are a problem, but it's a 10, 12, 15, a sorted vehicles.

1101
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:37,380
what do you do to park somewhere so the guys can come to work? So those are the

1102
01:44:37,380 --> 01:44:43,230
major points I want to make a bunch of range plan. Shorty now I also wanted to

1103
01:44:43,230 --> 01:44:52,030
mention when the town crew goes there to look out. We see another 10 feet right

1104
01:44:52,030 --> 01:44:58,550
away on the east side of the road. We should also be asking for a 10 foot right

1105
01:44:58,550 --> 01:45:00,010
way on the west side of the road.

1106
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:13,760
To make the full 60. However, the problem is, on the east side of the road, the right of way may be floating in space. And on the west side of the road, we may have to dig it out of the hillside.

1107
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:22,480
So just because there is a right of way, doesn't mean to say you can possibly use it unless you do some creative engineering.

1108
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:31,500
And it may be cheaper to shift the road into the hillside rather than build a new hillside on the other side.

1109
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:40,700
I've been aware of the as if we've had to fix page the road up beyond the story hill.

1110
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:49,400
When the edge of the road was just falling down and it can be done and it lasts.

1111
01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:56,600
So, I would recommend that the town look at that now, unfortunately, to respond to the right

1112
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:04,320
of the letter, we cannot condition the building of this house on the town doing something.

1113
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:11,140
I think that's what the right of the letter would have liked. But we can't say to the person

1114
01:46:11,140 --> 01:46:15,800
wants to build this house, I'm sorry, until the town does something, you can't have your house.

1115
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:27,800
But I would put as much emphasis and urging on the spirit of that letter and what it talks about.

1116
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:38,740
Transcommunicated to the time console and have them weigh in on what should be done here.

1117
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:41,140
With that, I'll post on to the next figure.

1118
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:46,630
I ask you a question, it's a show.

1119
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:50,930
I drove out there a couple times myself to look at things,

1120
01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:56,050
and I literally could not find a place to park on the road.

1121
01:46:57,350 --> 01:47:05,710
And I think that that is the situation that the construction folks will run into.

1122
01:47:06,670 --> 01:47:16,470
I don't know if we can require off-street parking on these sites while the construction

1123
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:17,430
is going on.

1124
01:47:17,790 --> 01:47:25,570
Maybe Steve can address that, and certainly otherwise they will have to provide some sort

1125
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:33,130
of shovel to some common parking somewhere else, but I'm not sure we need to say don't

1126
01:47:33,130 --> 01:47:40,020
park on the street since I think physically it's impossible.

1127
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:41,340
Yeah, exactly.

1128
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:43,480
Yeah.

1129
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,580
So it's a standard requirement for construction projects.

1130
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,780
They shouldn't be parking on the street or anywhere where they otherwise wouldn't be allowed to park.

1131
01:47:51,260 --> 01:47:58,220
I think we can add a specific if appropriate traffic and parking management plan that has part of the building permit.

1132
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:03,960
This project provide more details given the challenges and limited access that he sends it for it.

1133
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:08,920
So I think that would be an easy requirement where we don't have to have all the answers tonight,

1134
01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:13,840
but you provide that as a condition of approval, then we can ensure we have one as part of the building permit,

1135
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,700
and then that can be what we rely on for management of the site during construction.

1136
01:48:19,220 --> 01:48:23,240
I think that would be a real positive thing for the neighbors.

1137
01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:31,620
Clearly they're not getting everything they want, but if we can do what we can do, and if that's one of those things, I think that'd be a good thing.

1138
01:48:33,290 --> 01:48:40,710
I would agree that the highly desirable, but then I have some teeth in it because I think we

1139
01:48:40,710 --> 01:48:47,910
had something for another situation currently in town and basically what the Romans

1140
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:50,790
called Digital Sympuracus was raised.

1141
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,100
Just a really provide a quick interjection there.

1142
01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:04,420
We do effectively enforce construction parking, our building inspector does routinely a conversation

1143
01:49:04,420 --> 01:49:05,140
with contractors.

1144
01:49:05,140 --> 01:49:17,900
So if there's a specific site, let us know, but that's really, that is part of our job and as it comes to our attention, or we become aware of it with an inspection, we will be talking to the contractor and if it persists, a stop work will be issued.

1145
01:49:18,180 --> 01:49:28,520
That's, we continue to be active on that we may not catch everything because our eyes can't be everywhere, but when brought to our attention, we're, we're definitely working on that to ensure it doesn't persist.

1146
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:30,580
Okay, thank you.

1147
01:49:32,260 --> 01:49:34,020
Okay, who wants to go next?

1148
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:40,760
Brigida?

1149
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:44,600
Okay, I'll go next.

1150
01:49:44,820 --> 01:49:49,620
Then I just want to actually have a chance to share before and after that is because I thought this

1151
01:49:49,620 --> 01:49:52,320
is pretty cool on this.

1152
01:50:00,180 --> 01:50:02,380
Let's see if I can do this.

1153
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:33,720
Okay, there. I just want to have a chance to kind of show. Here is the previous design which had in a much bigger volume of elements going on. And this is the new design, which basically uses existing pad and does those up. And this is both from the Jesuits retreat center. And then the next one here is from the valley floor down below.

1154
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:38,500
this is looking up at the project and it made a huge difference to put the back on the platform

1155
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:44,160
of the old house and that's the old pool right there. The thing is for the colors, the neighbor

1156
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:50,320
to the south of them, the one on the left from the valley floor. This is the neighbor right here and

1157
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:56,000
has colors that just blend in with nature. Now granted, this is a very, very dark. So it's probably

1158
01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:02,520
a little bit too dark for what the project requires, but I was hoping of something that just makes this

1159
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:11,340
Because this is another view here from the Jesuit retreat center and you see this house structure from three different levels of different pathways that go there.

1160
01:51:11,700 --> 01:51:15,980
Here again is luckily is conforming to this area.

1161
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:25,400
If it gets to be very careful with the colors, so it does blend kind of nicely into there and doesn't become a statement of whiteness. That's the biggest thing.

1162
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:30,820
And they're, again, also, the lighting up in this area, if that can be shielded, I don't know how the

1163
01:51:30,820 --> 01:51:36,900
wording can be put in the conditions of approval, as well as, you know, the, any railings

1164
01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:43,900
be done with wire or steel, whatever, but not glass to keep the glare down. Also, just wondering,

1165
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:53,240
maybe this and also I'm sharing this, is there a way, this is more exact? Is there a way for the

1166
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:58,660
project to have some kind of staging for parking, because that is an issue, you know, there's

1167
01:51:58,660 --> 01:52:03,780
a new thing that all these individual cars with people is there a way that this project

1168
01:52:03,780 --> 01:52:09,500
to be staged or done. I know there can be excavating for a basement, but where you have some

1169
01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:13,620
temporary parking, it's like saying temporary kitchens for people living the houses and they

1170
01:52:13,620 --> 01:52:17,760
remodeling, you know, you figure it all out as far as bits and pieces.

1171
01:52:19,900 --> 01:52:20,980
But it may not be economically

1172
01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:23,520
like these are when your time also exhibit for a basement?

1173
01:52:25,890 --> 01:52:28,650
That is something that I think is part of a parking

1174
01:52:28,650 --> 01:52:32,050
construction management plan, where you clarify parking

1175
01:52:32,050 --> 01:52:34,590
either needs to be contained on site or an approved

1176
01:52:34,590 --> 01:52:38,790
off site location, that maybe they're able to secure a place

1177
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:41,870
further away in a shuttle workers or do drop offs

1178
01:52:41,870 --> 01:52:43,570
or other ways, but yeah, it's a very reasonable

1179
01:52:43,570 --> 01:52:46,130
and appropriate requirement for a site like this

1180
01:52:46,130 --> 01:52:48,290
to ensure that you don't end up with parking

1181
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:51,130
and unsafe conditions or blocking the street.

1182
01:52:52,110 --> 01:52:56,370
because there is no parking there. I mean, there was barely enough room to put my

1183
01:52:56,370 --> 01:53:00,450
car just to go take a look at it. And yeah, that's what I was wondering, that's

1184
01:53:00,450 --> 01:53:04,110
going to have to be something that I like to see as a condition that any and all

1185
01:53:04,110 --> 01:53:08,570
parking for this project for both projects have to be maintained on these

1186
01:53:08,570 --> 01:53:13,010
properties that that road can't handle anything. So, and I think that's it for me.

1187
01:53:13,010 --> 01:53:14,070
Thank you.

1188
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,980
All right, and would you like to go next?

1189
01:53:24,060 --> 01:53:26,960
I think everything that I have

1190
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,720
to say has already been said.

1191
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:35,300
I agree with Jesse that it is a statement house

1192
01:53:35,300 --> 01:53:40,620
and the owner will end the designer and architect

1193
01:53:40,620 --> 01:53:43,100
will be very proud of their accomplishment.

1194
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,120
I think it will be a very positive addition

1195
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:54,900
to the community and behind the design 100%.

1196
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,680
All right. Thanks, Ed.

1197
01:54:00,020 --> 01:54:00,300
Jim.

1198
01:54:02,300 --> 01:54:17,220
First, I'd like to comment that this being my first meeting. I'm going to rely heavily on my co-commissioners for many of the technical aspects that they know the details for and that I will learn quickly.

1199
01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:25,840
But there is one area that I am particularly keen about, which is the Pathways issue, having

1200
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:27,920
come from the Pathways community.

1201
01:54:29,380 --> 01:54:37,940
And I do agree that the design is wonderful, and I look forward to walking these paths

1202
01:54:37,940 --> 01:54:39,140
and seeing this.

1203
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:47,200
But I do think that there is an issue climbing the hill between this property and the

1204
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:51,200
that providing an easement on the other property

1205
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,700
is somewhere between difficulty and possible

1206
01:54:55,700 --> 01:54:58,420
at one spot near the home,

1207
01:54:58,840 --> 01:54:59,960
and that there will be a,

1208
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:13,600
We need to use maybe as much as 20 feet alongside the home where the neighbor's home is, to allow for switchbacks getting up as hell.

1209
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:24,460
And I'd like to find a way that we could pass a motion that enables the situation that

1210
01:55:24,460 --> 01:55:29,540
the architects, for it was talking about them being willing to do.

1211
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:38,440
I'm not sure how we can craft that, but if there's, I would love to hear some suggestions

1212
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:46,360
from your experience to see if there's a way that we could ensure that we could take that option

1213
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:53,320
and provide some relief to the next applicant. Let me see if I have any other things.

1214
01:55:53,680 --> 01:56:01,000
It sounded like there was some unanimity here on maybe a light reflectivity of 40% shielded

1215
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:09,280
down lights. Define a large truck is five tons or more for the purpose of providing notice.

1216
01:56:12,540 --> 01:56:17,960
And a parking plan to prevent, to further ease the congestion there.

1217
01:56:19,180 --> 01:56:26,540
And then the one that I'm talking about here, which is up to a 20-foot pathway easement right along

1218
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:31,980
that neighbors home to alleviate a problem condition there.

1219
01:56:33,460 --> 01:56:34,800
I think that's it.

1220
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:40,080
I really do also want to comment that the EDPC has done a wonderful job

1221
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,780
in marshalling this efforts through a few iterations

1222
01:56:44,340 --> 01:56:48,680
and really being faithful to the responsibility

1223
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,560
of protecting our semi-world character.

1224
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,620
I think that they've done a great job too.

1225
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:55,240
Thank you.

1226
01:56:56,900 --> 01:57:08,200
All right, okay, if no one else has any comments, let me provide some of my views, I also

1227
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:15,840
agree with what has been said by the commissioners, the house at least has been redesigned

1228
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:23,940
very cutfully based on the comments that the planning commissioner provided in their previous,

1229
01:57:27,220 --> 01:57:36,220
review and largely to me, the main issue, the main issue, what I call the construction

1230
01:57:36,220 --> 01:57:42,860
operations plan, which includes everything to do with the parking situation, to the road,

1231
01:57:43,620 --> 01:57:52,160
the flagging and so on and so forth. So that's definitely something we may want to consider

1232
01:57:52,160 --> 01:58:04,740
adding more to just work, condition number 23, suggest about flagging of cars on the trucks.

1233
01:58:06,460 --> 01:58:17,140
Lighting in some of these tends to be a challenge and a concern, however, I personally

1234
01:58:17,140 --> 01:58:28,600
We prefer to see more ceiling and e-bliding compared to wall councils because wall

1235
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:38,820
councils tend to be much brighter compared to ceiling lights and in the ceiling lights

1236
01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:57,560
Since here you have these deep softfits, I'm not sure as to how critical it is, but I'll go with whatever other fellow commissioners feel as to what we may want to write up as a condition.

1237
01:58:59,180 --> 01:59:07,560
The LRV of 40, I guess the applicant was comfortable with, so maybe we can add that.

1238
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:09,940
See no issues there.

1239
01:59:11,060 --> 01:59:18,280
Especially the roof ease, we were told what going to be made of cedar wood.

1240
01:59:19,100 --> 01:59:25,220
So wood tends to be of a darker color than, let's say, Stockholm,

1241
01:59:25,220 --> 01:59:36,880
which should help in softening the home and at least from the bottom side.

1242
01:59:40,110 --> 01:59:41,430
Other than that,

1243
01:59:41,670 --> 01:59:50,730
I would also agree with what Yitzi mentioned earlier that we should remind the council again

1244
01:59:50,730 --> 01:59:59,050
of the road safety concerns here. And this is not for the short term. I'm also concerned for the

1245
01:59:59,050 --> 01:59:59,570
Oh, go!

1246
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,240
In fact, I'm wondering how even FedEx and UPS trucks go there every day to deliver, you know,

1247
02:00:12,060 --> 02:00:17,960
parcels, which you know, in a pandemic probably is even more so than in normal times,

1248
02:00:18,580 --> 02:00:29,340
let alone trucks during construction time. So it is, I think other than us, you know, bringing

1249
02:00:29,340 --> 02:00:38,300
up to and reminding the council I would also suggest to the letter writers that they should remind

1250
02:00:38,300 --> 02:00:45,400
city council and in fact go to the next city council meeting and during the public comments

1251
02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:58,680
are kind, raise this in person and get it on record. I would also recommend to the

1252
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:07,540
literators as we the commission and the staff have already discussed with county fire about

1253
02:01:07,540 --> 02:01:15,340
some of the inconsistencies they have that maybe you also can address the county fire department

1254
02:01:15,340 --> 02:01:23,300
and suggest or ask them why the different rules for private versus public roads.

1255
02:01:24,860 --> 02:01:38,160
So putting pressure from all sides would be the best way to get a long term resolution for something clearly not safe and not appropriate.

1256
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:53,240
But at the same time, I don't believe we can hold up this project for those other safety concerns regarding the public roads we have.

1257
02:01:53,240 --> 02:02:05,500
So that's my comments and are we needing any more discussions or anybody ready to make a motion?

1258
02:02:08,540 --> 02:02:15,020
Could I ask my fellow commissioners about this idea on the pathway issue?

1259
02:02:15,020 --> 02:02:26,720
We heard that the thread mentioned that they would be willing to work on this 20-foot section adjacent to the home.

1260
02:02:27,460 --> 02:02:39,960
The issue that I think we will face is that the neighbor will be asked to provide a 10-foot section,

1261
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:47,400
a ten-foot easement to couple with the ten-foot easement that this property is providing

1262
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:57,440
and that the neighbor's portion is really not buildable. And if we say, let's just go ahead

1263
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:05,250
and ask for it anyway, that that would prevent the neighbor from being able to put a fence or

1264
02:03:05,250 --> 02:03:15,210
put screening in that section, which as we'll see upcoming, will be important because it's

1265
02:03:15,210 --> 02:03:23,490
only 30 feet from the bedroom. I'm wondering if there's any language any of you have encountered

1266
02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:36,550
in the past, like a conditional sort of motion, where we can approve this or offer a motion

1267
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:40,830
that has this side of the property line,

1268
02:03:43,470 --> 02:03:48,030
provide up to, say, 20 feet in this area.

1269
02:03:48,030 --> 02:03:58,850
So that on the other property, we don't need to ask for something that they won't be able to deliver.

1270
02:03:59,330 --> 02:04:09,470
I apologize greatly for how complicated this is, but it's going to take some crafting if we want to get it right. Any ideas?

1271
02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:17,150
So, you see, you want to suggest any ideas?

1272
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:20,670
Well, I'm just thinking aloud here.

1273
02:04:21,390 --> 02:04:26,330
But where is we typically talk about in pathway easement,

1274
02:04:26,690 --> 02:04:32,010
ten foot wide along the border of a property?

1275
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:36,440
I think what Jim is talking about is the idea of

1276
02:04:40,220 --> 02:04:59,960
It will be 20 foot, then reduced to 10 foot further down, and I don't want to hold up this house until we get that wording straight, but maybe we can put the idea into the motion that the

1277
02:05:01,170 --> 02:05:10,430
Witt of the easement, be established by mutual consent between the two arm honours,

1278
02:05:13,540 --> 02:05:14,660
will be dealing

1279
02:05:14,660 --> 02:05:24,240
with the second arm honours in a moment. And then maybe in the process of that, I'm not sure

1280
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:28,740
How are you couple these together, but I'm sure we, with goodwill, we can.

1281
02:05:32,230 --> 02:05:39,750
The other suggestion I was thinking was, along the lines of what you were suggesting,

1282
02:05:40,610 --> 02:05:51,610
but have maybe staff be the broker between the two applicants in coming up with a appropriate

1283
02:05:51,610 --> 02:05:52,270
solution.

1284
02:05:54,650 --> 02:05:56,230
I think that would be a wonderful idea.

1285
02:05:56,230 --> 02:06:00,090
I think that's the most pregnant, as the best jobs are working.

1286
02:06:00,330 --> 02:06:04,970
I'd be happy to help it anyway, I can't have a walk to twice now.

1287
02:06:05,570 --> 02:06:12,530
I think the present set of conditions on the two properties is not quite a complete workable plan yet.

1288
02:06:16,820 --> 02:06:22,100
Steve, do you have any comments regarding what we just discussed?

1289
02:06:23,100 --> 02:06:28,160
I mean, I understand exactly what you're talking about, because it is very steep on

1290
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:35,400
the streetster, the his property, where his home is. The one thing I can add is that the

1291
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:40,440
large open space easement, conservation easement to help stay season that's going to be recorded

1292
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:51,420
on the 1, 3, 2, and 0 property, does not prevent the use of portions of it for, you know,

1293
02:06:51,420 --> 02:06:57,260
wording of it says that you can't put pathways on the off-road natural pathways in those.

1294
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:02,600
So I think that's what Fred was kind of referring to when he said he doesn't mind figuring it out,

1295
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:06,980
but he doesn't want it to find a mount that might be one way to look at it,

1296
02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:12,940
that there's some flexibility there putting the pathway in and maybe the pathways committee

1297
02:07:12,940 --> 02:07:18,400
could look at this again along with after the fact with the two owners and maybe work out

1298
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:28,870
I don't know. Would that delay either of the approvals? I wouldn't want to do that.

1299
02:07:30,590 --> 02:07:37,270
It doesn't matter. I did, by the way, look into the open space easement and the use of the open space

1300
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:44,970
easement. Unfortunately, the 350 line doesn't quite get you up to where this problem exists.

1301
02:07:51,760 --> 02:08:12,820
So, we should try to craft some language as to how do you to add a conditional approval of this project with this work with the pathways to be worked out between the two property owners and staff.

1302
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:18,540
Obviously, pathway committee would be also consulted by a staff.

1303
02:08:19,980 --> 02:08:39,620
I hate to actually encumber the Pathways Committee, maybe we can say that as long as we can establish a 20 foot conduit through there, we won't want you to involve the Pathways Committee that would just perhaps take more time.

1304
02:08:39,620 --> 02:08:53,150
Perhaps we could say that the motion is to include the staff working with both residents

1305
02:08:53,150 --> 02:09:07,890
to establish a 20-foot pathway conduit in a means of a group to both parties and maybe

1306
02:09:07,890 --> 02:09:14,890
We provide a backstop that says otherwise we're going to do 10 foot from each.

1307
02:09:17,230 --> 02:09:19,730
Sounds reasonable to me.

1308
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:23,990
That backstop is what makes it with what makes it watertight.

1309
02:09:24,170 --> 02:09:25,590
That's what I was afraid of.

1310
02:09:25,670 --> 02:09:33,090
This will the seals it and then gives an incentive to do it more optimally.

1311
02:09:33,090 --> 02:09:43,310
Are we in, do we feel the light reflectivity value of 40% with something we all thought was important?

1312
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:49,830
Frankly, I think the architect is convinced.

1313
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:58,550
We've never done beyond this far as I remember just saying, our rules are 50%.

1314
02:09:58,550 --> 02:10:00,010
And I think I hear...

1315
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,640
The architect saying that they really want to do a good job of this and make it planned in.

1316
02:10:07,900 --> 02:10:10,920
So I think he would be sort of presumptuous.

1317
02:10:12,280 --> 02:10:13,860
It's redundant, I think.

1318
02:10:14,660 --> 02:10:16,800
Okay, and the field in down.

1319
02:10:17,620 --> 02:10:19,040
Oh, it's something.

1320
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:21,700
Yeah, can I be redundant then?

1321
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:25,600
Because, you know, I see a lot of great intent out here,

1322
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:31,980
a couple of years of falling around on least 40 properties for the last two years, and I would

1323
02:10:31,980 --> 02:10:37,780
like to really kind of still take Steve up on his 40 reflexively. The problem with reflexivity

1324
02:10:38,420 --> 02:10:46,760
is not a color hue or saturation. I know we all want the intent of natural colors. The reflexively

1325
02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:52,100
just gets a little further away from being white, because there's a lot of white out there that's

1326
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:59,160
skills that are risky, reflectivity and I know we don't want white, I mean. So I would feel

1327
02:10:59,160 --> 02:11:05,300
more comfortably keeping the 40 that Steve had mentioned, hoping that it blends in with

1328
02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:10,720
you know, Fred Herings elements and all that. I think it will. I don't think he had a problem

1329
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:18,720
with that. So if I kick at it, as well as the shielded aspect for the racist lighting,

1330
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:22,540
just the shielding added on to any recess lighting,

1331
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:24,980
that word would be fabulous,

1332
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:27,660
as well as steel guardrails,

1333
02:11:27,980 --> 02:11:29,620
for anything on the second level,

1334
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:31,580
would be great as well.

1335
02:11:37,980 --> 02:11:39,700
Well, I'll try a motion.

1336
02:11:40,580 --> 02:11:43,080
Yes, Jim's going ahead.

1337
02:11:43,820 --> 02:11:44,640
We can't on the blind.

1338
02:11:44,660 --> 02:11:47,380
I can see the surprise in your eyes.

1339
02:11:49,340 --> 02:12:17,360
I move that we approve this application subject to the conditions of approval as published and as amended by Steve's comments earlier today with additional qualifications that the light reflectivity value be 40% for

1340
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:29,700
less, that shielded down wipes should be used on the top floor, I hope that's clear enough,

1341
02:12:30,580 --> 02:12:43,160
that notice be given to neighbors about traffic on the road for trucks greater than five

1342
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:56,780
tons, as described in the earlier conditions of approval, in essence, just defining that the word

1343
02:12:56,780 --> 02:13:10,460
large means five tons, that the project provide a parking plan, suitable and acceptable to staff,

1344
02:13:10,460 --> 02:13:25,860
And that the staff engages with both neighbors to establish a 20-foot conduit for a pathway

1345
02:13:26,460 --> 02:13:36,500
alongside the neighbor's home for the purpose of a pathway easement.

1346
02:13:36,500 --> 02:13:54,120
And that if no agreement can be made, that we will revert to the present plan, which is a ten foot easement for this property and the ten foot easement for the other property.

1347
02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:58,260
That's, did I miss anything we discussed?

1348
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:08,620
Can we add on there also guardrails of steel or wired for the second level?

1349
02:14:08,940 --> 02:14:17,200
I think we heard the architects say that that's what it was intending.

1350
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:19,620
So I don't think they would mind that.

1351
02:14:23,410 --> 02:14:25,690
How do I do?

1352
02:14:25,690 --> 02:14:30,030
Right, Karen is the smoke coming off a pen.

1353
02:14:31,530 --> 02:14:34,450
Oh, she's got the court and it's all good.

1354
02:14:35,690 --> 02:14:36,250
Okay.

1355
02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:40,630
We don't we don't let her meet a bad.

1356
02:14:41,330 --> 02:14:41,550
Okay.

1357
02:14:41,550 --> 02:14:44,310
I mean, I want me to summarize that I can, but we do have it on records.

1358
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:48,790
I think the motion with the added condition works pretty well.

1359
02:14:49,130 --> 02:14:49,690
Yeah.

1360
02:14:49,870 --> 02:14:51,570
I think I captured it anyway.

1361
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:53,610
We need a second.

1362
02:14:54,230 --> 02:14:54,630
I'll second.

1363
02:14:54,630 --> 02:14:55,450
All

1364
02:14:58,330 --> 02:14:59,950
right, so are we ready?

1365
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,940
Ready to then call,

1366
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:07,320
vote, go ahead, Karen.

1367
02:15:08,060 --> 02:15:13,640
Okay. All right. Commissioners, men. Yes.

1368
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:21,820
Commissioner Indico. Yes. Commissioner Washira. Yes.

1369
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:35,520
Commissioner

1370
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:39,780
is approved, pending a 22-day appeal here.

1371
02:15:43,540 --> 02:15:51,380
Moving on, item number 5.2, 1, 3, 2, 5, 4,

1372
02:15:51,500 --> 02:16:01,700
East sunset drive, lands of suture, additional development permit for a new 3, 9, 8, 5,

1373
02:16:01,700 --> 02:16:11,580
square for two-story residents with a 1,873 square foot basement, including a 767 square foot

1374
02:16:11,580 --> 02:16:20,280
accessory dwelling unit in the basement on a 0.96 square foot lot of variance for a front

1375
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:28,980
yard set back of 32 feet where 40 feet is required and an exception to towns creating voices.

1376
02:16:28,980 --> 02:16:33,060
Steve, can we have the staff report, please?

1377
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:35,060
Yes.

1378
02:16:36,020 --> 02:16:37,200
It's Krista.

1379
02:16:37,940 --> 02:16:38,460
Oh, oh, Krista.

1380
02:16:40,540 --> 02:16:40,780
Yes.

1381
02:16:41,140 --> 02:16:41,880
Okay.

1382
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:45,040
I'll start the presentation.

1383
02:16:52,580 --> 02:16:53,280
So yes.

1384
02:16:54,300 --> 02:17:05,620
The subject property is a 0.96 or 0.96 acres in size located on the edge of town as Steve

1385
02:17:05,620 --> 02:17:13,260
stated before, the average slope of the property is 46.4% and has a lot

1386
02:17:13,260 --> 02:17:21,600
unit factor of 0.212, surrounding properties also are constructed on

1387
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:22,500
steep lots.

1388
02:17:25,300 --> 02:17:32,400
Okay. And then here are some photos. This is in the top left image is

1389
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:42,440
the view of the shared driveway, so yes, and then this is another view of the driveway.

1390
02:17:43,220 --> 02:17:48,260
It slopes down to the neighboring property, and so access is gained.

1391
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:58,140
There's a driveway easement on the property, and this is the view of the existing home and parking area.

1392
02:17:58,140 --> 02:18:09,100
And then below here in the bottom right image is the slope in front of the property and above is east sunset drive.

1393
02:18:09,620 --> 02:18:13,140
The great change is approximately 40 feet.

1394
02:18:15,460 --> 02:18:22,560
And then here's here's a view of the eastern portion of the site.

1395
02:18:22,560 --> 02:18:50,560
So, yeah, the site slopes down as it east, east facing slope slopes down eastward, and then here's the existing pool, yeah, another view east, as you can see, there's a substantial amount of vegetation on the site, and then here's a view of the east space of the house, and then,

1396
02:18:53,860 --> 02:19:08,280
And then there's a small pathway in front of the residents that leads you to the side yard here, which is on the southern side of the property.

1397
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:17,940
As you can see, there's some existing retaining walls here and this is the southern property line.

1398
02:19:17,940 --> 02:19:32,940
So that is where the pathway season is proposed and here's a view of the valley and so the property is well screened

1399
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:48,230
however further properties away may be able to see the new see the proposed residents. So that can be addressed through landscape screen and then just some more images

1400
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:55,330
of the southern property line. I wanted to capture this, try to capture this slope, as you can see

1401
02:19:55,330 --> 02:19:59,950
it's fairly steep, and there's on this on...

1402
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,780
The subject properties side, there's existing retainables and some structures and existing trees.

1403
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:26,580
So, proposed, here's a proposed project summary. So, the, yes, the gross lot areas one acre, however, because of the driveway easement, the net lot areas 0.963 acres.

1404
02:20:26,580 --> 02:20:30,500
And as I mentioned, it's on a very steep slope.

1405
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:38,580
The applicant will be reducing development area by 4,295 square feet.

1406
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:45,360
Patios and existing patios and walkways will be reduced 1,624 square feet.

1407
02:20:46,540 --> 02:20:52,640
And 1,690 square feet is because of development area.

1408
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:54,060
I'll show that later.

1409
02:20:55,400 --> 02:21:00,340
The applicant is changing out the existing driveway

1410
02:21:00,880 --> 02:21:03,300
Avers with grass Creek.

1411
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:08,140
And also, yeah, this note here,

1412
02:21:08,900 --> 02:21:13,320
there was a variance in development area that was approved in 1988,

1413
02:21:14,500 --> 02:21:20,920
which allows for a maximum development area of 8,266

1414
02:21:20,920 --> 02:21:29,900
square feet and sets the maximum glory at 4,000 square feet and then the applicant is also

1415
02:21:29,900 --> 02:21:40,460
proposing a 1,873 square foot basement with a 767 square foot ADU with inside that basement

1416
02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:43,920
and

1417
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:52,220
then here's a rendering of the proposed residence that the architect provided as you can see as

1418
02:21:52,220 --> 02:21:55,340
incorporates a modern architectural style,

1419
02:21:55,980 --> 02:21:59,540
Florida ceiling windows, large roof overhangs.

1420
02:22:00,300 --> 02:22:05,780
So, actually the Florida ceiling windows will be coated,

1421
02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:10,100
or we'll have an anti-glare glass coating

1422
02:22:10,740 --> 02:22:17,280
to prevent glare and also the roof overhangs help with that.

1423
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:24,640
And the roof will be PVC membrane or the design

1424
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,620
utilizes PVC membrane roof.

1425
02:22:28,860 --> 02:22:30,740
And there's two decks.

1426
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,340
There's a second floor deck, first floor deck,

1427
02:22:33,620 --> 02:22:37,000
with cable handrails and guardrails.

1428
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:42,360
And there's also screens along the residence.

1429
02:22:42,460 --> 02:22:43,340
You can see here.

1430
02:22:48,940 --> 02:22:59,100
Here's the topographic survey, it's a split into two, so yeah, here's the existing driveway easement.

1431
02:22:59,860 --> 02:23:13,100
The proposal includes a bad ending the driveway easement, and are just revising it to the driveway is actually not built with exactly within that easement.

1432
02:23:13,100 --> 02:23:20,580
it's over here. So the applicant is revising that driveway easement to better align with the existing

1433
02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:29,140
shared driveway. And then here's the existing house. The proposed house will be

1434
02:23:29,140 --> 02:23:38,820
or will be located essentially in the same location. It'll be shifted more east and slightly

1435
02:23:38,820 --> 02:23:46,460
elongated, but is relatively the same size as the existing residents. Here's the existing pool,

1436
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:50,920
which will be replaced with an infinity pool and also in the same location.

1437
02:23:53,640 --> 02:24:01,540
And the applicant or the homeowners will be utilizing 75% of the existing building pad

1438
02:24:01,540 --> 02:24:05,240
and just to avoid extensive grading.

1439
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:11,970
And then here are the proposed easement locations.

1440
02:24:13,690 --> 02:24:15,670
The homeowner, well, homeowner,

1441
02:24:16,490 --> 02:24:20,770
maybe dedicating or it's included in the conditions

1442
02:24:20,770 --> 02:24:25,850
of approval to dedicate a 10 foot right of way easement.

1443
02:24:26,910 --> 02:24:29,430
The homeowner will also be granting

1444
02:24:29,430 --> 02:24:39,650
a open space easement below the existing 300 and two foot contour and that's shown in green here.

1445
02:24:40,290 --> 02:24:53,830
And then it also included in the conditions of approval is the granting of a tent foot wide pathway easement as discussed before.

1446
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:59,000
And then here's the proposed site plan.

1447
02:25:00,500 --> 02:25:27,400
So, the applicant is also applying for a front yard setback experience. As you can, it's slightly hard to see, but the existing second floor, front setback here is 26 feet, three inches and the existing, yeah, first floor is also legal, non-conforming at 31 feet, eight inches.

1448
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:35,880
So, the proposed residents will have a more conforming set front set back of 31 feet,

1449
02:25:35,880 --> 02:25:43,100
nine inches. So, the variance is mainly due to the size and steepness of the lot and

1450
02:25:43,100 --> 02:25:55,300
to utilize the existing building pad and avoid the extensive amount of grading. And then,

1451
02:25:55,300 --> 02:26:05,100
Here is the fire department required a fire and gin turn around, so that's what you see here.

1452
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:14,300
This entire area, parking area, also will be replaced with grass creep, and then permeable paving up here.

1453
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:39,620
And then the applicant also obtained a variance from the fire department just because that slope exceeds 15%, the alignment will remain the same, but yeah, the width of the driveway will increase and as you can see, there's five parking spaces and additional one for the ADU.

1454
02:26:39,620 --> 02:27:03,520
And then, so yes, and also the highest, highest point on the property is right here in this corner, and then slope down to the, to the south, south western corner, and then here's the basement floor plan.

1455
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:16,820
and shown in blue is the 767 square foot ADU and then next is here's the proposed first

1456
02:27:16,820 --> 02:27:24,640
fourth plan. There's the attached to car garage and most of the bedrooms are on this floor.

1457
02:27:25,640 --> 02:27:32,120
The area shown in pink is where the, where the applicant is also flying for a grading policy

1458
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:41,260
exception just for this portion of the residents, which encompasses the first floor deck and also

1459
02:27:41,840 --> 02:27:47,660
portion of the master bedroom. And that's approximately 407 square feet.

1460
02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:52,040
This is the

1461
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:53,880
second floor plan.

1462
02:27:55,520 --> 02:28:02,700
That's where the kitchen and dining and living room is.

1463
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:06,340
And then here are some proposed sections.

1464
02:28:08,280 --> 02:28:11,860
And see, yeah, there's the ADU right there.

1465
02:28:12,300 --> 02:28:15,380
And then also on this section shows.

1466
02:28:15,380 --> 02:28:38,800
So the grading policy exception is to allow an additional five feet of fill for the master bedroom and first floor deck, but also in this area, it exceeds the town's maximum allowable differential of four and a half feet.

1467
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:50,020
That's four and a half feet between the lowest finished floor and structure of the structure and existing grade.

1468
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:55,480
And then here is another here are two other sections.

1469
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:01,760
And then these are the east and north elevations.

1470
02:29:03,060 --> 02:29:08,680
You can see that's the infinity pool and over here where the garage.

1471
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:11,040
And it will slow down.

1472
02:29:12,060 --> 02:29:14,140
As you can see, the design,

1473
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:17,780
the proposed residence is designed to

1474
02:29:17,780 --> 02:29:21,900
step with the slope and to reduce

1475
02:29:21,900 --> 02:29:25,940
the two-story massing of the building.

1476
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:31,520
And then this is the first floor

1477
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:33,220
outdoor lighting plan.

1478
02:29:34,340 --> 02:29:37,300
There is six recessed

1479
02:29:37,300 --> 02:29:39,800
four inch down lights proposed on

1480
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:44,520
the first four, and then also I believe that a downlight

1481
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:48,620
sconce is proposed in this area, to the right,

1482
02:29:49,860 --> 02:29:55,220
are the part of specification sheets, for both pictures,

1483
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:59,960
will be between 2700 to...

1484
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:28,100
3,000 kelvans. As for the loomans, it wasn't specified. There's a few options, but so that's there. And then, yes, the same light

1485
02:30:28,100 --> 02:30:31,020
orange down lights here in orange.

1486
02:30:34,360 --> 02:30:39,940
Okay, so yes, yeah, to just highlight that area again, that this is

1487
02:30:39,940 --> 02:30:47,620
where the the variance, the applicant is proposing the front yard, so back, reduced front yard

1488
02:30:47,620 --> 02:30:55,480
setback, so yes. So yeah, the setback variance, as I said, is mainly due to the steepness and

1489
02:30:55,480 --> 02:31:01,580
of the law, given that surrounding properties have similar constraints, the requested variants

1490
02:31:01,580 --> 02:31:07,340
that would not represent a special privilege. The proposed development does not exceed

1491
02:31:07,340 --> 02:31:14,700
maximum floor area or development area. There is adequate access to private road and screening

1492
02:31:14,700 --> 02:31:20,740
can be provided for the structure and parking. And granting of this variance will not create a

1493
02:31:20,740 --> 02:31:25,980
activity, which is not authorized by the zoning ordinance, it's mainly just keeping the

1494
02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:35,740
or just maintaining that existing legal non-conforming setback and to avoid excessive grading

1495
02:31:35,740 --> 02:31:36,780
to the site.

1496
02:31:39,860 --> 02:31:46,060
And then, as for the grading policy exception, the applicant is requesting up to eight

1497
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:53,080
feet of fill for the master bedroom and deck on the first floor and up to six feet of cut

1498
02:31:53,140 --> 02:32:00,340
at the corner of the pool patio that's, there's actually a retaining wall, and Fiddity pool is here,

1499
02:32:00,780 --> 02:32:06,360
and there's planetary retaining walls that's surrounded, and at this corner actually I didn't

1500
02:32:06,360 --> 02:32:13,640
highlight it, but that's where the six feet of cut is located, and then also that nine foot

1501
02:32:13,640 --> 02:32:20,240
differential, I showed at on the elevation at contour elevation 318.

1502
02:32:22,360 --> 02:32:31,740
And then yeah, so for the grading policy it's for all the average slope with a lot is 46% is so.

1503
02:32:32,820 --> 02:32:35,140
exceptions are needed to prevent

1504
02:32:35,140 --> 02:32:37,480
on-site grading, as I mentioned,

1505
02:32:38,900 --> 02:32:40,720
the residents has been designed to step down

1506
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:44,740
with this hill and provides our provides hidden mass

1507
02:32:44,740 --> 02:32:46,240
with them qualifying basement.

1508
02:32:47,800 --> 02:32:50,260
And it's reusing the existing building pad

1509
02:32:50,260 --> 02:32:53,400
to, again, exhibit the extent of on-site grading,

1510
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,300
maintain a low building profile

1511
02:32:55,300 --> 02:32:58,380
and limit removal of existing vegetation.

1512
02:32:58,380 --> 02:33:08,620
know trees are proposed to be removed or this project and then for the town community review

1513
02:33:08,620 --> 02:33:14,000
the environmental design and production committee recommended a design with no more than two

1514
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:20,540
roofs in one area of the residents reduction of the building height to 27 feet it was 28 feet

1515
02:33:20,540 --> 02:33:28,540
a pretty sleep and reduction of the depths of the light wells and the number of recessed

1516
02:33:28,540 --> 02:33:35,700
deck lights and the applicant has addressed all the environmental design production communities

1517
02:33:35,700 --> 02:33:43,260
comments in the final revised plan set and the open space committee requested that the property

1518
02:33:43,260 --> 02:33:50,080
owner grant in open space easing into the town over that portion I showed you before in green

1519
02:33:50,540 --> 02:33:58,700
below the 302 foot elevation contour. And yeah, that in that area, the slopes exceed 30%.

1520
02:33:59,740 --> 02:34:05,740
As for the pathways committee, they requested that the property owner grant a 10 foot wide

1521
02:34:05,740 --> 02:34:12,260
pathway easement along the south side property line to support our to connect east sunset drive

1522
02:34:12,260 --> 02:34:20,500
with Diane Drive, and they also requested a 10-foot pathway easement along East Sunset Drive,

1523
02:34:21,320 --> 02:34:25,640
but that will be accommodated with the right of way easement dedication.

1524
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:35,000
And then yes, so I wanted to, I know we've discussed the pathway easement dedication already,

1525
02:34:35,500 --> 02:34:43,840
but just to provide some more photos and to get a better idea of how steep that slope is.

1526
02:34:44,500 --> 02:34:57,120
So, yeah, here's the master path plan, exhibit, showing here's the subject property, and that's where the pathway would be located.

1527
02:34:58,600 --> 02:34:59,960
And so this...

1528
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:28,240
Yeah, this yellow string is the property line. And yeah, the, so there's a on both sides, there's a pretty dramatic difference over here is the 13, 2, 10, uh, you sunset property. It's a, you know, relatively clear and open on this side. It's, um, there's existing retaining walls and it'd be very challenging and difficult to build a pathway there. So.

1529
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:42,200
Yes, so yeah, as a suggestion or alternative to, since the slope gets very steep in this area,

1530
02:35:42,540 --> 02:35:45,260
there's a relatively flat area here.

1531
02:35:45,380 --> 02:35:57,280
An alternative might be to ask for an easement here and find some way to, you know,

1532
02:35:57,280 --> 02:36:02,760
work with the neighbors, but as I think we've already discussed that. So I'll continue. And

1533
02:36:03,900 --> 02:36:12,600
yes. So staff was contacted by one neighbor who just mainly express concerns about the road

1534
02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:17,260
conditions and traffic and safety issues as we discussed previously.

1535
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:22,660
And to conclude, the proposed

1536
02:36:22,660 --> 02:36:28,920
Residents utilizes the existing building pad to minimize the disturbance to the site.

1537
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:38,060
It the new residents conforms more to current town standards and seeks slopes and other site constraints

1538
02:36:38,060 --> 02:36:44,060
provide a reasonable basis to approve the setback variance and exception to the town's grading policy.

1539
02:36:44,060 --> 02:36:57,320
And open space will be recorded to retain the natural character of the site and staff supports approval of the project subject to the attached findings and conditions of approval.

1540
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:02,680
Questions for.

1541
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:03,540
Harg?

1542
02:37:08,510 --> 02:37:14,530
Okay Brigida, go ahead. I have some questions. It has to do with the grading policy

1543
02:37:14,530 --> 02:37:21,990
exception as far as the five foot bill and for the master edema law confused because

1544
02:37:23,930 --> 02:37:37,010
does the eight foot fill for the master bedroom? Does it help to eliminate the appearance of a

1545
02:37:37,010 --> 02:37:38,810
maybe you should be a dinosaur.

1546
02:37:40,910 --> 02:37:43,850
The biggest thing for me is I want to make sure that you maintain

1547
02:37:43,850 --> 02:37:53,910
a two-story look and no more than that. And if we prove that the trucks dirt, whatever, can help

1548
02:37:53,910 --> 02:38:01,550
alleviate. Yeah, I would very, I would go back to that. Or was it just this slide? Well let's

1549
02:38:01,550 --> 02:38:09,290
go back to the picture of the actual illustration, you know, okay, the exhibit. Yeah, I

1550
02:38:09,290 --> 02:38:17,950
there, oops, no, okay, okay, that one there. So if I'm looking at that top picture of

1551
02:38:17,950 --> 02:38:25,530
top illustration, if you kind of just show me the cursor where the exception of the

1552
02:38:25,530 --> 02:38:29,790
grading is occurring on this illustration that might help make it easier for me to figure

1553
02:38:29,790 --> 02:38:38,290
yourself. So it's in conferences first for the entire first board deck here, and then I think

1554
02:38:38,290 --> 02:38:47,930
this is where the nine-foot different show is. And then just a portion of the, this is the master bedroom.

1555
02:38:48,210 --> 02:38:54,570
So just a portion of that also. So it's in this, this is the area of the grading policy exception.

1556
02:38:56,050 --> 02:39:04,650
And that slander thing, whatever, is that no light bulb there is, but that's not daylighting any base, many there, right?

1557
02:39:05,650 --> 02:39:06,810
Oh no.

1558
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:07,730
It's not.

1559
02:39:07,870 --> 02:39:10,290
There's a basement is totally enclosed.

1560
02:39:11,070 --> 02:39:11,370
Okay.

1561
02:39:11,370 --> 02:39:12,230
Yes, it is.

1562
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:13,550
I think.

1563
02:39:13,790 --> 02:39:13,990
Oh, yeah.

1564
02:39:14,190 --> 02:39:16,090
Oh, yeah.

1565
02:39:18,030 --> 02:39:19,230
That's the first one.

1566
02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:24,660
Okay.

1567
02:39:24,900 --> 02:39:25,260
I think.

1568
02:39:25,500 --> 02:39:27,960
And then, oh, one last question for you too.

1569
02:39:27,960 --> 02:39:35,060
The fire department, I know that they gave a variance for the slope.

1570
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:37,240
What about the grass creek?

1571
02:39:37,500 --> 02:39:39,740
What is there policy on the grass creek?

1572
02:39:40,060 --> 02:39:42,800
Is it enough to support the weight of their vehicles?

1573
02:39:43,300 --> 02:39:45,900
What's going to be done from an engineering standpoint on that?

1574
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:46,700
Yes.

1575
02:39:47,080 --> 02:39:47,500
Well, yes.

1576
02:39:47,800 --> 02:39:52,260
So the fire department has actually not approved the project yet.

1577
02:39:52,260 --> 02:39:59,280
the applicant has they asked for manufacturer or installation details. So the

1578
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:22,040
To show that the grass creek can support 75,000 pounds, I guess, for the fire engine. So the applicant has included those details in this revised plan set and we've routed it to the fire department, but we haven't received response yet.

1579
02:40:22,820 --> 02:40:25,380
And what happens if they don't approve it?

1580
02:40:26,850 --> 02:40:27,470
Oh, man.

1581
02:40:28,690 --> 02:40:29,290
Yeah.

1582
02:40:29,990 --> 02:40:37,570
I guess the applicant will just have to maybe change the material or work with the fire department on that.

1583
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:39,310
Or cut MDA elsewhere.

1584
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:40,890
Yeah.

1585
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:41,890
And maybe, yeah.

1586
02:40:42,010 --> 02:40:44,630
Reduce it because, yeah, they're pretty.

1587
02:40:45,410 --> 02:40:47,570
I think they only have about a hundred.

1588
02:40:48,890 --> 02:40:49,490
Yeah.

1589
02:40:49,490 --> 02:40:57,410
only there at 827 and only have about like a a little over 200 square feet left.

1590
02:40:57,850 --> 02:41:02,330
So. I think we can have the applicant address these questions also.

1591
02:41:02,570 --> 02:41:07,510
Okay, great. Well, yeah, I figured I'd start the ground running hit the ground running here with us.

1592
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:09,490
Great. Thank you.

1593
02:41:11,720 --> 02:41:12,260
Anyone else?

1594
02:41:13,240 --> 02:41:14,220
I have questions.

1595
02:41:19,050 --> 02:41:24,730
All right. Doesn't seem like it. So then let's go over to the public comments.

1596
02:41:24,730 --> 02:41:36,130
Also, to those applicants presentation, please keep it for 15 minutes and Cody, let's get that prepared.

1597
02:41:51,880 --> 02:41:59,960
I'm Sean. I'm the applicant. Let me if I can share a screen so I can present.

1598
02:42:01,700 --> 02:42:05,830
Let's see. Are you folks able to see this fine?

1599
02:42:05,830 --> 02:42:14,390
Yeah. Very good. So thanks everyone. Hi. So this is what our family looks like right now.

1600
02:42:16,910 --> 02:42:24,430
So we moved to Los Altoes in 2003 but at the south end near the 85 and 280 and then we moved to

1601
02:42:24,430 --> 02:42:29,290
this property about 11 years ago. This is what the house looked like 11 years ago and as you saw from

1602
02:42:29,290 --> 02:42:36,870
it still does. We've been talking to lots of our neighbors about the project.

1603
02:42:38,430 --> 02:42:43,670
Like these are all the people we contacted. The green color coding is all the ones we got

1604
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:50,310
comments from and the oranges, the ones we've not yet been able to reach, but I'm really hoping

1605
02:42:50,310 --> 02:42:58,650
to talk with Fred about his project that I'm excited about. And I'm happy to about working with him

1606
02:42:58,650 --> 02:43:00,450
on figuring out a way to make that pathway work.

1607
02:43:01,810 --> 02:43:04,290
These are a bunch of the comments that we got from our neighbors.

1608
02:43:04,390 --> 02:43:07,710
I'm not going to read them all, but basically everyone's really supportive.

1609
02:43:08,210 --> 02:43:10,850
The only real concern is the street, which is a fine concern.

1610
02:43:11,630 --> 02:43:15,270
And because we've lived through construction and I, you know, on this street,

1611
02:43:16,230 --> 02:43:17,810
and I want that to work for everyone.

1612
02:43:19,770 --> 02:43:22,510
We're also planning for our grandparents.

1613
02:43:23,530 --> 02:43:26,530
That's what the 80's about. They're not going to move in, but, you know,

1614
02:43:26,530 --> 02:43:32,630
right away, but they do visit a lot and maybe something, well, one concern that I'm going to

1615
02:43:32,630 --> 02:43:37,810
go really fast through now because I think it's been discussed really well is that pathway

1616
02:43:37,810 --> 02:43:45,590
easement and Jim and Chris did a really good job of covering the issue. I've got some pictures

1617
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:50,690
that really show it. This is the when it was discussed before about being between these

1618
02:43:50,690 --> 02:43:55,750
properties and on the border of the property line of our neighbor, but not on ours.

1619
02:43:56,990 --> 02:44:04,030
The ask of course is the 10 feet. Main issue is the feasibility and the impact, right?

1620
02:44:04,170 --> 02:44:10,410
This is a picture of that border and you can see on our neighbor, the 210, it's a fairly continuous slope

1621
02:44:10,410 --> 02:44:20,670
but on ours. There's these retaining walls and if you look at the property line, you can kind of

1622
02:44:20,670 --> 02:44:27,690
the house. You can see that it's a dramatic difference. It's relatively flat side to side on the

1623
02:44:27,690 --> 02:44:34,590
two-ten, but on ours it has about a 40-degree drop-off. This is what it looks like from the house.

1624
02:44:34,650 --> 02:44:37,410
This would be right next in Newhouse to our kids' bedrooms.

1625
02:44:39,970 --> 02:44:41,310
Because of this cut-off,

1626
02:44:41,310 --> 02:44:46,190
even if the pathway can't be built, fencing is pretty much impossible. We can't build it there

1627
02:44:46,190 --> 02:44:49,170
because we'd have to build a 10 feet in, right?

1628
02:44:49,290 --> 02:44:52,830
And that would basically result in a 25 foot fence,

1629
02:44:53,710 --> 02:44:55,010
which obviously isn't possible.

1630
02:44:55,290 --> 02:44:56,930
Nobody's going to do that.

1631
02:44:58,650 --> 02:44:59,950
There was discussion previously.

1632
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,880
Lastly, I'm going to skip this.

1633
02:45:04,040 --> 02:45:07,660
That's the main summary. I'm really happy with the idea of a compromise

1634
02:45:07,660 --> 02:45:12,660
and planning everything together. It was discussed earlier. I'm going to hand it over to our architects.

1635
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:17,840
That would be Monica, if anybody wants to promote her.

1636
02:45:41,890 --> 02:45:51,850
Good evening, commissioners. Thank you so much for letting us participate in today's discussion and we know that it's been a long night for you all.

1637
02:45:51,850 --> 02:46:03,690
So I'm going to just jump right into it and I'll try and address the questions that came up and then if you all have any other questions that you want us to speak about, we will go through it.

1638
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:06,170
So I'm going to just keep cruising through this.

1639
02:46:06,770 --> 02:46:20,810
As you've heard, this has been a very challenging site with a lot of restrictions and a lot of easement drive the easement to the neighbors easement at the street that has been asked for the existing house not complying with the

1640
02:46:20,810 --> 02:46:27,730
towns, regulations, high restrictions, there are retaining walls that are falling apart.

1641
02:46:28,630 --> 02:46:33,890
So we did, as most of you know, we work really hard with our clients, they've been actually

1642
02:46:33,890 --> 02:46:36,490
pretty amazing to have as clients.

1643
02:46:36,770 --> 02:46:42,550
They were happy to reach out to their neighbors and they'd a very friendly kind of a reach out

1644
02:46:42,550 --> 02:46:47,150
exercise and all the neighbors were very accommodating and receptive.

1645
02:46:47,150 --> 02:46:51,510
So that was a very good process that we went through.

1646
02:46:52,570 --> 02:47:00,290
What I do want to talk about is that we know that the commissioners have to make the findings in order to prove this.

1647
02:47:01,110 --> 02:47:05,930
And I'm going to just quickly go through it and later on if you have questions we can come back to these slides.

1648
02:47:06,450 --> 02:47:08,430
But I did put up here.

1649
02:47:08,530 --> 02:47:13,610
We did a little bit of an investigation about where each property is on this street.

1650
02:47:13,610 --> 02:47:27,570
And then, you know, what everybody's setbacks are and easements and the four that I have pointed out here, they are the ones which are kind of closer to the setback lines on this property.

1651
02:47:28,050 --> 02:47:41,610
So it's not as if it's just our property, which is there is just as you know in town of Los Alzos hills, there are a lot of properties, which have these windy roads and steep lots and the old homes have been in the setbacks.

1652
02:47:41,610 --> 02:47:49,910
And we try our level best to make sure that we can accommodate the grading pad as best as we can.

1653
02:47:50,310 --> 02:47:58,790
This is an exhibit from the old permit that was done in 1988. I believe if I didn't get the time right

1654
02:47:58,790 --> 02:48:06,410
wrong. But this is what the existing house was approved in that 30 foot front setback.

1655
02:48:06,410 --> 02:48:11,250
What we are doing in Krista has been awesome in guiding us through it initially.

1656
02:48:11,470 --> 02:48:16,970
We had actually had meetings with Steve about this project before we had actually submitted formally.

1657
02:48:17,610 --> 02:48:23,450
We did work really hard to try and not go into our grading exception.

1658
02:48:24,390 --> 02:48:28,270
But there was very, very little choice we had.

1659
02:48:28,470 --> 02:48:30,970
We are kind of stuck towards the front of the property.

1660
02:48:30,970 --> 02:48:39,890
We also had to provide the fire truck turn around, which when you saw on Mark Hilton's drawing that pushed the house entry where it is the garage.

1661
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:45,350
So as you can see, we've tried to improve as much as we could.

1662
02:48:45,970 --> 02:48:48,790
The setback, it was 26 feet, three inches.

1663
02:48:50,190 --> 02:48:53,830
We are going for 31 feet, nine inches.

1664
02:48:54,510 --> 02:48:58,930
As best as we could without really compromising too much of this site.

1665
02:49:00,850 --> 02:49:11,530
This is kind of looking at, we put the story pulls up and we wanted to just exhibit that, you know, as commissioners, you guys have to find all the findings.

1666
02:49:11,810 --> 02:49:15,150
And we made sure that we looked at each and every finding.

1667
02:49:16,390 --> 02:49:18,690
And it looks like our project supports it.

1668
02:49:18,970 --> 02:49:21,830
We don't compromise anybody's views.

1669
02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:27,250
we are not asking for something which is something that Sean and Heather are going to just enjoy.

1670
02:49:27,670 --> 02:49:35,110
This is a privilege that other parts of the town, people are able to enjoy these setbacks just

1671
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:42,190
because of the restrictions on the site. We did select this kind of location for our project,

1672
02:49:42,710 --> 02:49:48,570
just because we are going to be demoing the existing house. As most of you will walk the site

1673
02:49:48,570 --> 02:49:54,150
seen that the existing retaining halls are falling apart, safety concern is huge, so we're

1674
02:49:54,150 --> 02:49:59,950
trying to maintain the pad where it is, and trying to basically not.

1675
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:19,400
We have compromised that hillside further. We have actually met all our other requirements for the height and setbacks. This is our kind of the worksheet that we use in our office to make sure that we are matching the towns regulations as best as we can.

1676
02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:26,080
building it very low profile, stepping up with the hillside as best as we can, giving large overhangs

1677
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:35,080
to break that mass feel on the property, providing vegetation screening, and overall we always try

1678
02:50:35,080 --> 02:50:40,580
to make sure that we are not compromising our neighbors privacy, because it's not just for our

1679
02:50:40,580 --> 02:50:44,880
clients, which is privacy is important, but we also are looking at the neighbors.

1680
02:50:44,880 --> 02:50:50,860
So, I'm kind of jumping right into the grading exception.

1681
02:50:51,780 --> 02:50:53,420
I want to just clarify one thing.

1682
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:57,040
If you look at on the right side right here,

1683
02:50:57,400 --> 02:51:02,960
we're actually don't want to fill this area with dirt.

1684
02:51:03,680 --> 02:51:05,200
That's not what we're proposing.

1685
02:51:05,740 --> 02:51:08,700
We are gently stepping down with the hillside.

1686
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:11,840
There's a very small portion of our project,

1687
02:51:11,840 --> 02:51:14,060
which is in the grading exception.

1688
02:51:14,620 --> 02:51:17,340
If you focus here with these flanters,

1689
02:51:17,500 --> 02:51:19,320
we are at two feet, 11 inches,

1690
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:23,740
our majority of our grading exception is five feet, one inch,

1691
02:51:24,060 --> 02:51:26,520
and there's a little bit of a portion around here,

1692
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:28,220
which is hitting that nine foot.

1693
02:51:29,780 --> 02:51:32,840
So our biggest concern has been,

1694
02:51:32,840 --> 02:51:35,300
we've been going back and forth with the staff,

1695
02:51:35,700 --> 02:51:40,580
that hey, why not just drop this master suite down.

1696
02:51:40,580 --> 02:51:48,060
The issue is, we've talked with Sean and Heather in detail and we've been trying our level

1697
02:51:48,060 --> 02:51:53,600
best that we don't actually even have these steps because their parents in future might

1698
02:51:53,600 --> 02:52:00,020
move in and then Sean and Heather will actually probably move downstairs, but we could not remove

1699
02:52:00,020 --> 02:52:05,440
these steps from the garage coming down because of the fight truck turnaround and all the levels

1700
02:52:05,440 --> 02:52:12,040
the levels that we had to adjust for the far department, but they really want to keep all of this

1701
02:52:12,040 --> 02:52:18,540
on one level so that, you know, in future, if they do move in, the grandparents have the access

1702
02:52:18,540 --> 02:52:24,840
of at least one bedroom, which is usable without having to take the elevator or everything all

1703
02:52:24,840 --> 02:52:30,960
around them. So that was kind of our main concern and that's the reason why this little bit portion

1704
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:33,020
of our house is in the grading exception.

1705
02:52:34,020 --> 02:52:36,560
And of course, we couldn't pull it any further to the street.

1706
02:52:37,460 --> 02:52:39,140
This is just to kind of give you an idea

1707
02:52:39,140 --> 02:52:40,680
where Easton said drive is.

1708
02:52:40,780 --> 02:52:45,620
Our property is really well below the street level.

1709
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:52,360
This area where my cursor is is where that grading

1710
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:53,560
exception is happening.

1711
02:52:54,100 --> 02:52:57,160
And we are working with the homeowners.

1712
02:52:57,540 --> 02:52:59,800
And we are hopefully going to be working with planning

1713
02:52:59,800 --> 02:53:03,520
start during our landscape screening plan in order to

1714
02:53:03,520 --> 02:53:07,920
vegetate this with natives and really adapt this house as best

1715
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:11,920
as we can in the hillside. We have retained our

1716
02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:18,020
high limits, our square footage. We tried to be as sensitive to

1717
02:53:18,020 --> 02:53:21,740
the site as we possibly could. This is, of course, looking at it from

1718
02:53:21,740 --> 02:53:25,800
the dry wayside, but the existing house actually steps in

1719
02:53:25,800 --> 02:53:28,640
the same location. We tried to keep the pool in the same

1720
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:36,880
location. So I want to just kind of show you this, everything you see in orange is the existing

1721
02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:42,800
house. Everything, of course, without it is our proposed structure. We thought this will actually

1722
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:50,580
help clarify how we decided to kind of position this house on this hillside. As you can see from

1723
02:53:50,580 --> 02:53:57,580
this side are kind of the only portion which sticks out a little bit is this area, but otherwise

1724
02:53:57,580 --> 02:54:05,300
we've tried to be very, very conscious of where the existing house was and how we can be very

1725
02:54:05,300 --> 02:54:10,260
sensitive to where we put our new home. The other thing is because of the fight for turn around,

1726
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:16,360
we really could not make this house wider. If we could have, we probably wouldn't be sticking out

1727
02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:24,300
so much here. But we wanted to be, there's been a lot of constraint in this project. And to be very honest,

1728
02:54:24,300 --> 02:54:27,840
I think we did a pretty nice job of working with the homeowners

1729
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:30,680
who've been really open-minded and the planning stuff

1730
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:34,340
on guiding us on how to do it as best as we could.

1731
02:54:35,320 --> 02:54:38,560
So, surprisingly, and happily, we've managed to make

1732
02:54:38,560 --> 02:54:41,020
the fire department happy, which is very difficult

1733
02:54:41,020 --> 02:54:42,580
for you by the way, nowadays.

1734
02:54:44,180 --> 02:54:47,840
And we have hopefully managed to make sure

1735
02:54:47,840 --> 02:54:50,800
that we are not overhauling too much dirt from this side,

1736
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:53,040
because for us as an office, that's very important,

1737
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:56,580
that we don't touch the hillside too much.

1738
02:54:57,020 --> 02:54:59,900
We of course have to reinforce the retaining walls where we need to.

1739
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:19,840
We are proposing our swimming pool kind of where the existing pool is. Again, where the stairs are coming and where this walkway is, we had to go with what our allowable heights are and that's why we've actually picked this pool up just a little bit. I think we picked it up to feet from the existing pad.

1740
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:32,300
So this kind of gives you an idea about where the existing house is located right now and currently where we are proposing our proposed project.

1741
02:55:32,840 --> 02:55:41,660
And you can see right here is where the little bit of that existing house you can see is closer to the street than our proposed project.

1742
02:55:41,660 --> 02:55:49,800
And again, down here where you can see the steep slope coming down from Sunset Drive, we are just trying to square this off.

1743
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:57,900
We are, I think, about two feet from the fight truck turn around right where the garage is.

1744
02:55:58,260 --> 02:56:02,020
That's kind of the view of existing versus proposed.

1745
02:56:02,820 --> 02:56:08,480
The one thing I want to just address my time is running out is the fight truck turn around material.

1746
02:56:08,480 --> 02:56:14,260
we are actually working with the fire department on another project of ours where we've given the

1747
02:56:15,980 --> 02:56:23,280
details in and that project is actually already at screening privacy screening time.

1748
02:56:23,700 --> 02:56:28,940
So as soon as we get that detail approved, that's the one we are submitting for this. So I hope that

1749
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:35,520
at least very quickly tells you where we are coming from and we are here to answer any questions that

1750
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:36,560
might have.

1751
02:56:39,220 --> 02:56:46,660
Thank you, any questions for applicants? And go ahead.

1752
02:56:51,090 --> 02:56:52,930
Yes, I have a question about

1753
02:56:52,930 --> 02:57:06,730
the swimming pool, since you're building over the location of the existing pool. What, how do

1754
02:57:06,730 --> 02:57:14,430
What do you do to the old pool? Do you remove the thing entirely? Do you remove the part of it? Or

1755
02:57:14,430 --> 02:57:21,750
how do you stabilize the soil and such where the where the pool is located?

1756
02:57:23,150 --> 02:57:29,570
So we have actually done this in quite a few projects up here in the hills. We work with

1757
02:57:29,570 --> 02:57:35,810
Marie engineers hand in hand in order to come up with the details for this. They've already given

1758
02:57:35,810 --> 02:57:41,390
recommendations, but normally basically the pool does get checked out, normally they don't

1759
02:57:41,390 --> 02:57:47,090
let us take the entire shell out. But we compact and fill it and then they have the criteria

1760
02:57:47,090 --> 02:57:54,010
that the contractor has to follow on how the compaction should be, normally it's at 1995 percent

1761
02:57:54,010 --> 02:58:01,610
and it's done in layers. But to be very honest, we kind of depend on their expertise to give us that

1762
02:58:01,610 --> 02:58:05,690
information when we submit to the building department. The pool, of course, will be on a separate

1763
02:58:05,690 --> 02:58:09,420
Thank you.

1764
02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:14,720
I had a question.

1765
02:58:15,380 --> 02:58:16,460
Go ahead.

1766
02:58:17,700 --> 02:58:23,920
I've never seen the flat roof is made out of a material that don't think I've come across before.

1767
02:58:24,740 --> 02:58:28,400
I understand it's a BBC plastic shaking kind of thing.

1768
02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:34,600
So I'm going to just share my screen with the documents that were submitted.

1769
02:58:34,940 --> 02:58:36,780
Let me see if I can open it.

1770
02:58:36,780 --> 02:58:43,840
It is actually TPO, which is used, I would say right now, at least all the projects we've done in the hills,

1771
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:50,680
nearly all of them have that. It is a pirated material, and I'm just going to quickly go there.

1772
02:58:51,180 --> 02:58:56,760
So you can take a look at it. It comes in different colors. We use the dog grain only for the roof,

1773
02:58:57,440 --> 02:59:03,390
and where is it? I'm just going to make it smaller. I'm trying to see if we have it here.

1774
02:59:06,690 --> 02:59:14,890
But TPO is basically a great material that we normally use for all our flag surfaces and so far

1775
02:59:14,890 --> 02:59:22,490
I think nearly all our projects which are flat, we use them rather than the asphalt, we haven't

1776
02:59:22,490 --> 02:59:25,410
been doing those things for a long time now.

1777
02:59:25,990 --> 02:59:30,730
I would more interested in the degree of reflectivity and so on.

1778
02:59:31,010 --> 02:59:32,450
Any problems with that?

1779
02:59:32,450 --> 02:59:42,690
No, it's actually a delete the reflectivity on that is between depending on the color we select but the one we normally use is 40%

1780
02:59:42,690 --> 02:59:49,530
I believe it's a dark kind of a gray color that we normally have use for our roofs.

1781
02:59:49,930 --> 02:59:55,690
No, I'm just thinking that it's probably, but it's made of a plastic.

1782
02:59:56,170 --> 02:59:59,950
It's like a rubberized material that gets put down and then it's

1783
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:02,160
It gets fused together for waterproofing.

1784
03:00:02,720 --> 03:00:11,080
Yeah, okay, what I was about to say is probably less prone to glare than metal. Even the

1785
03:00:11,080 --> 03:00:19,860
the matte metal roofs will occasionally, at certain angles, produce quite a flaring kind of light.

1786
03:00:21,360 --> 03:00:26,580
But I wasn't aware that you'd use this widely, but it looks good.

1787
03:00:27,180 --> 03:00:28,260
All right, thank you.

1788
03:00:30,950 --> 03:00:41,170
Good. You had an exhibit three in your PowerPoint slide that showed the portion that was being

1789
03:00:41,170 --> 03:00:51,230
had the grading exception. In fact, step back one more back maybe we can just find where I mean.

1790
03:00:51,230 --> 03:00:55,850
I think you're talking about the one which was the section is my guess.

1791
03:00:55,850 --> 03:01:24,630
Yes, okay, that actually there. That's a perfect view of it. This area that is on the grading level underneath there, I'm trying to understand what is going on there, is that are there walls containing this hollow section where you mentioned you didn't want to put any fill that that kind of wall in that whole area.

1792
03:01:24,630 --> 03:01:30,250
Or is there just a wall down about midway tall

1793
03:01:30,250 --> 03:01:34,170
where that you have, you show the greenery growing?

1794
03:01:35,470 --> 03:01:40,750
For instance, if I wanted to, could I dig out down there

1795
03:01:40,750 --> 03:01:43,850
and put in a floor and put in a table

1796
03:01:43,850 --> 03:01:47,750
and some chairs and have a, like, a cabana

1797
03:01:47,750 --> 03:01:50,170
to the swimming pool concepts?

1798
03:01:50,170 --> 03:01:59,810
I really, so Jim, let me actually go on the section a little bit, I think that would help a lot.

1799
03:02:00,770 --> 03:02:11,830
So what we are trying to do is to be very honest, nobody can really dig here because we are making these walls which are designed to have dirt on the site.

1800
03:02:11,830 --> 03:02:16,350
Second, we are trying to promote where this is more like a natural hillside.

1801
03:02:16,670 --> 03:02:19,350
We are creating a little bit of a plant or bed right now,

1802
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:22,470
that by the time the native vegetation takes place,

1803
03:02:22,950 --> 03:02:28,230
the idea is that from here, you just see kind of vegetation going up.

1804
03:02:28,390 --> 03:02:33,110
So we look like the hillside just goes and hits the retaining wall in the back.

1805
03:02:33,550 --> 03:02:37,930
And then we are using the plant right now because, of course, everything takes time to grow.

1806
03:02:38,330 --> 03:02:40,690
So this will help us put vegetation right away.

1807
03:02:40,690 --> 03:02:45,990
And you're still complying that the town's requirement of not going over the height for the planter.

1808
03:02:46,210 --> 03:02:46,590
Thank you.

1809
03:02:46,790 --> 03:02:48,550
Now understand what you're doing.

1810
03:02:54,500 --> 03:02:56,740
Anybody else have any questions?

1811
03:02:57,300 --> 03:02:58,100
But you don't go ahead.

1812
03:03:00,220 --> 03:03:00,600
Real quickly.

1813
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:02,420
I think we've had most of them.

1814
03:03:03,440 --> 03:03:06,020
Just again, the the rest of the slides in the second level.

1815
03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:13,300
I know that you've reduced them from when maybe 80 PCs had seen them.

1816
03:03:18,420 --> 03:03:32,480
So, we are actually proposing the 4-inch cans, which are right here, and these cans, if you look at the specs and I'm going to see if I actually have it open, I think I did to

1817
03:03:32,480 --> 03:03:39,760
to share with you all. They are actually not flush with the surface. We have learned. I'll be

1818
03:03:39,760 --> 03:03:45,400
very honest in the 15 years doing work in the hill. We've learned that we like lights which

1819
03:03:45,400 --> 03:03:50,280
and to be very honest, this is a recent learn in the last two years, that we like lights which are

1820
03:03:50,280 --> 03:03:57,060
recessed back in so that the light actually falls straight down and they don't go on the walls

1821
03:03:57,060 --> 03:04:02,440
or they don't in it outside. So the spec that we have of the light here, it actually recesses

1822
03:04:02,440 --> 03:04:10,520
in a little bit and the and we can control the way the light actually falls and I have

1823
03:04:11,980 --> 03:04:18,860
so there's only five right yeah so I'll show you that's for the upstairs so these are kind

1824
03:04:18,860 --> 03:04:32,420
of the light how it looks I just wanted to show you where was it sorry right there so it kind of

1825
03:04:32,420 --> 03:04:39,620
And it also has the reason we kind of like it because you can control the degree of the beam.

1826
03:04:40,100 --> 03:04:45,680
This way, the homeowners kind of get the light on their deck, but we are not pushing the light on the walls,

1827
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:50,700
plus we are not pushing the lights kind of across the valley.

1828
03:04:51,460 --> 03:04:58,860
And I'm going back, we do have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 lights on this floor in the overhang.

1829
03:04:58,860 --> 03:05:00,000
I'm missing the 6-1.

1830
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:16,960
So I see five. I believe that circle is missing right here, but I was happy the circle was there to be honest with you. I thought it was nice to have the lights kind of there on the inside because that's more private to the homeowners. Oh, there you go.

1831
03:05:16,960 --> 03:05:39,180
Yeah. And we've talked with the homeowners, Sean and Heather, and they're kind of open and happy to reduce if needed. We just didn't want it to put any scones if we can avoid it. But we put an option that if the, you know, if the commissioners want, we can put scones and reduce the overhang of lights, if need be.

1832
03:05:39,180 --> 03:05:58,180
But it's mainly that just that one base is the kind of one that the other was a kind of more private to the home and the homeowners in the sense it's just was facing out but the thing is this house is sitting at a pretty low elevation compared to upper parts of the valley to so.

1833
03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:06,940
And also did a lot of extensive because our advantage was that Sean and Heather actually live on

1834
03:06:06,940 --> 03:06:13,000
site for a few years. So we were also able to see in the night what can they see who can see them

1835
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:19,840
and where we can actually position this deck and everything the best way. But I know that they are

1836
03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:25,590
kind of open to adjusting if that's what the commissioner spells strongly. But we think with just

1837
03:06:25,590 --> 03:06:31,890
foreign scans with this much amount of space, I think we should be able to easily accommodate them

1838
03:06:31,890 --> 03:06:37,170
on the deck without really reflecting on to anybody. Yeah, because there's still a lot of

1839
03:06:37,170 --> 03:06:40,850
ambient light that comes right through all the big glass windows, so it's not like you need

1840
03:06:40,850 --> 03:06:45,810
it truly for safety, because you have so much light coming from the entertaining part of the house

1841
03:06:45,810 --> 03:06:52,350
from inside already. Yeah, I think I'm part of the only one that's nitpicky when it comes to light

1842
03:06:52,350 --> 03:06:54,450
and also to light admitting to the product

1843
03:06:54,450 --> 03:06:56,910
or is that's my buzzwords there.

1844
03:06:57,330 --> 03:06:59,690
The other thing, too, is when you confirm your guard

1845
03:06:59,690 --> 03:07:02,810
reels and happy to see that they look like they're steel

1846
03:07:02,810 --> 03:07:05,390
or whatever, but they're not class, they're all.

1847
03:07:05,390 --> 03:07:08,510
And I guess, which is fantastic.

1848
03:07:09,050 --> 03:07:10,530
One other question, which I'm surprised

1849
03:07:10,530 --> 03:07:11,590
in my fellow commissioner,

1850
03:07:11,830 --> 03:07:13,170
was sure I didn't ask this question,

1851
03:07:13,750 --> 03:07:15,210
but for the pathway easement,

1852
03:07:15,670 --> 03:07:19,110
it's interesting on your one, like your 3D modeling,

1853
03:07:19,190 --> 03:07:21,110
which I'd just say, it's really awesome

1854
03:07:21,110 --> 03:07:27,710
a way you 3D modeled the existing house with the new proposed house. I wish all architects could

1855
03:07:27,710 --> 03:07:34,310
adopt that. But it just seems interesting since you're doing so much to create more the entertainment

1856
03:07:34,310 --> 03:07:41,250
and living area there with the native plantings lawn and pool the area where the pathways going through

1857
03:07:41,250 --> 03:07:46,770
even though there's also some steep portions there. It looks like those old retaining walls and

1858
03:07:46,770 --> 03:07:52,710
fruit trees that are going to be there might be abandoned from the looks of your to where the

1859
03:07:52,710 --> 03:07:58,370
elevations might match up with the neighboring part. That's almost kind of wondering as far as

1860
03:07:58,370 --> 03:08:04,310
um. So we are not actually we might have to work with the source engineer about the existing retaining

1861
03:08:04,310 --> 03:08:10,550
walls which are here but right now um the ones that we are updating are the ones close to the house

1862
03:08:10,550 --> 03:08:16,050
We are not proposing any grading. Of course, we can't be within 10 feet to the property line,

1863
03:08:16,190 --> 03:08:22,390
but we are trying to keep as far away from here as possible just because of how delicate this

1864
03:08:22,390 --> 03:08:27,950
hillside is. So we actually talk with the soils engineers and we are hoping that we are actually

1865
03:08:27,950 --> 03:08:34,070
only cutting back how much we need to in order to put our foundation system on this end.

1866
03:08:34,810 --> 03:08:43,850
But we are trying not to re-grade and put dirt here, and we are not allowed to grade within the first 10 feet to the property line in English as per term policy.

1867
03:08:44,570 --> 03:08:49,070
Now, I would be more as far as if you look a little further down to where

1868
03:08:49,930 --> 03:08:53,970
There, right there, that area, I was looking more for abandonment.

1869
03:08:56,290 --> 03:09:05,090
Not grading or anything, just abandonment, because just to kind of give it, do a given take with the other neighbor in their time for the reason.

1870
03:09:05,570 --> 03:09:07,290
But pathways is not my thing.

1871
03:09:07,730 --> 03:09:09,130
That is, we're sure it's thing.

1872
03:09:09,130 --> 03:09:13,390
And I just figured I'd ask the stupid questions since I have no background in pathways.

1873
03:09:14,630 --> 03:09:20,890
And this has been a very challenging site as you can see with the ton of retaining walls holding up quite a lot of stuff.

1874
03:09:21,330 --> 03:09:30,330
So we've been working with the soils engineer to make it more, you know, safer for the homeowners without really having to repay the whole space.

1875
03:09:30,870 --> 03:09:35,110
And since we are on this slide, I'll just show you that's the fire truck going around.

1876
03:09:35,810 --> 03:09:40,310
So you can see we are right where we could place the house right here.

1877
03:09:40,310 --> 03:09:41,050
Okay,

1878
03:09:43,780 --> 03:09:47,760
that's it for you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1879
03:09:48,520 --> 03:09:49,700
Any other questions?

1880
03:09:55,600 --> 03:09:59,940
I didn't have any questions, so if there are no more questions.

1881
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:04,320
Thank you, applicant, and we'll move over to the public comments.

1882
03:10:07,670 --> 03:10:12,190
Cody, can you see if there are people who want to talk?

1883
03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:22,060
And my mute, I'm muted.

1884
03:10:23,760 --> 03:10:24,720
We can hear you.

1885
03:10:24,740 --> 03:10:30,720
Okay, I am speaking for the environmental design and protection committee.

1886
03:10:32,840 --> 03:10:40,020
They've moved the roof line, the roof line, the roof line, the first application came in.

1887
03:10:40,020 --> 03:10:42,940
that made it look in a three-story facade.

1888
03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:45,240
Now they've moved it down to the bottom.

1889
03:10:45,900 --> 03:10:48,360
So when you look at the house from off-site,

1890
03:10:48,740 --> 03:10:52,940
there is a three-story facade, and we had that on another

1891
03:10:54,120 --> 03:10:56,960
applications that the architect did.

1892
03:10:57,260 --> 03:10:59,600
And at the time we had a heated discussion,

1893
03:11:00,400 --> 03:11:05,280
trying to get screening along that side of the house.

1894
03:11:05,320 --> 03:11:07,200
So nobody could see it.

1895
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:12,380
I don't think the retaining wall with signs are going to do it.

1896
03:11:12,700 --> 03:11:17,160
I think that it should be, if you're going to allow this,

1897
03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:22,320
that it should be a condition of approval that has large shrubbery.

1898
03:11:22,860 --> 03:11:25,660
So you can't see that area from off-site.

1899
03:11:25,900 --> 03:11:33,360
So it does actually look like it is a not-to-three story to slide.

1900
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:40,140
So the other thing is the light well is really do not need our town standards.

1901
03:11:40,680 --> 03:11:46,860
I think it's a, it's 90, it goes all the way around the house.

1902
03:11:47,400 --> 03:11:49,760
So I think that can be broken up.

1903
03:11:49,880 --> 03:11:52,120
You need them only where they're bedrooms.

1904
03:11:53,040 --> 03:11:55,220
There's an area where there's a gym.

1905
03:11:56,200 --> 03:12:00,720
And I think that where the gym is, it could be cut off.

1906
03:12:00,720 --> 03:12:18,960
So you would have the light well for the ADU going up to the stairs, and then you would cut this light well, going out in half and not have, this is, why, we say that we're doing basements,

1907
03:12:21,660 --> 03:12:28,000
so you don't get to be, you don't have it count as plor area.

1908
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:41,440
But when you put a light well around the whole house to me, that is no longer a basement, and we do have standards for light wells, and this is the next set of ones.

1909
03:12:43,040 --> 03:12:46,060
Secondly, I didn't see where the pool equipment was going.

1910
03:12:46,060 --> 03:13:17,360
It's not shown on the site because so often we have it in the wrong place and the other thing that I noted that in some places they in one area on the driveway, they showed a blast or acrylic sensing or rail and on another one they showed iron rails and they show iron rails around the top of the building.

1911
03:13:17,360 --> 03:13:29,260
So I wonder whether they're using glass railings on the driveway or if they are, or if it's the one that shows that it's iron.

1912
03:13:30,740 --> 03:13:32,630
And let's see.

1913
03:13:34,790 --> 03:13:41,930
I think swimming pool, I was wondering if the pool isn't being taken out, so there was

1914
03:13:41,930 --> 03:13:50,750
a lot of soil settling down by the pool, so if the pool is in the same location, what

1915
03:13:50,750 --> 03:13:55,270
is being done to stabilize the soil around the pool?

1916
03:13:56,640 --> 03:13:57,800
Okay,

1917
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:03,180
all right. Thank you, Garo.

1918
03:14:23,990 --> 03:14:33,270
Thank you, Cody. Let's see. We can go back to the applicant and see if they would like to address any of the comments made.

1919
03:14:38,710 --> 03:14:39,530
Go ahead, Malika.

1920
03:14:40,410 --> 03:14:52,690
All right. Thank you. So I just want to state for the shrubbery. We are actually very happy to plant a big mature vegetation along this line.

1921
03:14:52,690 --> 03:14:59,610
we actually prefer that. So we are happy to do that. That's not a concern at all.

1922
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,440
That could be a condition. We actually have five foot wide lightbell for the access. Initially, we

1923
03:15:07,440 --> 03:15:12,600
didn't have this long lightbell. We had access from here, but just because of the way the fire truck

1924
03:15:12,600 --> 03:15:19,540
turnaround has come. We are actually hugging the driveway and coming in for the ADU. And also, in

1925
03:15:19,540 --> 03:15:25,520
order to work out with the building department, which we know is going to be a question as we go in.

1926
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:33,560
We will have to give an exit out of this basement either a light well here or here and since

1927
03:15:33,560 --> 03:15:40,480
this place is very little where we can we don't have to kind of dig more and put another light

1928
03:15:40,480 --> 03:15:46,160
well in the back of the house. We actually decided to put this and we work with planning stuff

1929
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:52,620
and I believe we comply so I just wanted to clarify that. We will definitely be working with

1930
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:59,560
the, with moral engineers, our soils engineers as well as our civil and structural engineers

1931
03:15:59,560 --> 03:16:05,140
when the pool compaction and around this area, the stabilization comes into play.

1932
03:16:05,360 --> 03:16:10,980
I'll be very honest, this is something that till the project is approved then we kind of

1933
03:16:10,980 --> 03:16:18,860
start working with them on the building department side. But I totally understand and appreciate

1934
03:16:19,500 --> 03:16:21,900
for our commissioners to be looking at these things,

1935
03:16:22,160 --> 03:16:25,580
because sometimes they get kind of lost in transformation.

1936
03:16:26,300 --> 03:16:31,320
But we are really, sorry, that was really talking to me, I don't know why.

1937
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:36,800
But we do, that's the reason you see these plantar beds around the pool,

1938
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:39,340
and we are hoping that once this is approved,

1939
03:16:39,540 --> 03:16:41,740
we are actually going to be working with our soils engineering stuff

1940
03:16:41,740 --> 03:16:43,960
to really get it done properly.

1941
03:16:44,540 --> 03:16:46,920
So we definitely are a verified and want to do it

1942
03:16:46,920 --> 03:16:51,240
because right now the property is not even safe for the kids to play there.

1943
03:16:53,240 --> 03:16:57,080
I hope I addressed all the questions, but we are here if there's any more.

1944
03:16:59,120 --> 03:17:03,920
I know, chance for the commissioner's to ask questions to staff or that.

1945
03:17:06,820 --> 03:17:07,340
Brigida?

1946
03:17:10,020 --> 03:17:14,740
Yeah, you know, looking at these light wells, I do have a concern because they've become like

1947
03:17:14,740 --> 03:17:21,540
really long perimeter corridors on the exterior of the house. And you know, you do need light

1948
03:17:21,540 --> 03:17:28,500
for bedrooms but it's become like a long running hallway and the same thing

1949
03:17:28,500 --> 03:17:35,520
there's those lightwall on the back side. Is there any way to kind of restrict or

1950
03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:40,510
you know limit a little bit the light was they they performed a function like an

1951
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:47,520
extra running wall hallway I don't have a say it so and I invite my fellow

1952
03:17:47,520 --> 03:17:51,900
to discuss this with me as well, so.

1953
03:17:52,120 --> 03:17:56,860
Yeah, if I could just jump in, and I must confess,

1954
03:17:57,580 --> 03:18:00,480
when I saw the drawings, it did strike me,

1955
03:18:00,640 --> 03:18:05,180
but I mentally dismissed it, and for the following reason.

1956
03:18:07,420 --> 03:18:10,440
Yeah, if you have these long, light wells,

1957
03:18:10,680 --> 03:18:14,660
there's a feeling of discomfort because it seems excessive

1958
03:18:14,660 --> 03:18:19,460
and not pretty and but partially it's an aesthetic management.

1959
03:18:21,360 --> 03:18:37,440
My concern more is of x-fire commissioner was the safety problem of if there is a fire that people on the lower level can not only go up but can shift sideways.

1960
03:18:38,660 --> 03:18:46,260
and I haven't actually mapped out the connectivity here, but my feeling now after we

1961
03:18:46,260 --> 03:18:49,960
had a disaster in town, oh about 12 years ago,

1962
03:18:52,300 --> 03:18:54,600
where lack of a light well, very

1963
03:18:54,600 --> 03:18:56,660
probably caused two fatalities.

1964
03:18:59,080 --> 03:19:03,060
I'm in the mode of more light wells, the better, because

1965
03:19:03,060 --> 03:19:06,800
Nobody can really see them off-site, so who cares?

1966
03:19:09,340 --> 03:19:11,980
And there's a feeling of comfort that you can,

1967
03:19:11,980 --> 03:19:14,100
they have to be there for exit,

1968
03:19:14,720 --> 03:19:16,280
and if you're going to have them there,

1969
03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:18,240
and you can connect them,

1970
03:19:19,140 --> 03:19:22,240
then you've increased the ability to get out

1971
03:19:22,240 --> 03:19:27,800
for a cost of maybe an aesthetic slightly negative,

1972
03:19:28,260 --> 03:19:30,020
but hardly ever seen.

1973
03:19:30,020 --> 03:19:32,660
So that's my feeling of

1974
03:19:34,810 --> 03:19:35,510
it.

1975
03:19:35,950 --> 03:19:36,590
Go ahead, Malika.

1976
03:19:38,190 --> 03:19:41,070
So thank you so much for bringing this up.

1977
03:19:41,670 --> 03:19:43,430
We actually, most of our projects,

1978
03:19:43,710 --> 03:19:47,070
we try not to have light wells so extensively placed.

1979
03:19:47,690 --> 03:19:50,210
What we've done is we've actually created this house

1980
03:19:50,210 --> 03:19:52,750
in a way where we could have privacy from the pathway

1981
03:19:52,750 --> 03:19:53,810
on the other side.

1982
03:19:54,150 --> 03:19:58,390
So you can see the reason for making this kind of an

1983
03:19:58,390 --> 03:19:59,970
shape here is more.

1984
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:28,000
That all the private spaces are here. And let me go on this. We're actually using maybe this is a better one. We're actually using, if you look at it, this is kind of the upper deck. And you really don't even notice that there's light well there. We have to put cable rail here because of where it will exist in right ways and stuff. And this actually would be there regardless we have the stairs going down to the light bell or not.

1985
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:31,580
So, for us, it's very important, aesthetically,

1986
03:20:32,620 --> 03:20:37,200
everything looks like it's tucked in and hidden and not really that obvious,

1987
03:20:38,480 --> 03:20:44,360
but I personally think that we've done a good job of not like from this view or any view where

1988
03:20:44,360 --> 03:20:47,260
you just feel like there's like those like those all over the place.

1989
03:20:47,540 --> 03:20:53,400
We try to keep them really hot close to the house and just follow wherever our decks and

1990
03:20:54,240 --> 03:20:58,820
overhangs were just to kind of softly hide them and then of course this

1991
03:20:58,820 --> 03:21:05,420
access was just made it easier for this area otherwise we would have had to give a

1992
03:21:05,420 --> 03:21:11,240
light bill in the back of this property. So I hope that addresses or be

1993
03:21:11,240 --> 03:21:15,160
here. Yeah I did one more question for you this for us on the lightwalls. Okay so

1994
03:21:15,160 --> 03:21:20,680
I kind of understand now that the lightwalls in this kind of family private area

1995
03:21:20,680 --> 03:21:42,690
Yeah, but how about the one in the back corner, where the pathway is also proposed, back, yeah, that one there could that be eliminated basically it with the fact that the other light will provide so much fire access as well as provides more functionality to family than the staff one.

1996
03:21:43,590 --> 03:21:50,370
We can, as you can see, we were trying to give a window into this bathroom and some ventilation down here.

1997
03:21:50,990 --> 03:21:53,210
But let me just go real quick.

1998
03:21:55,110 --> 03:22:00,890
Right here, we actually, it is kind of covered because from there,

1999
03:22:01,030 --> 03:22:05,390
Sun's bedroom, this would be the access out to the back,

2000
03:22:05,930 --> 03:22:07,430
and this light will is below.

2001
03:22:07,430 --> 03:22:10,610
So it's technically from upstairs.

2002
03:22:10,930 --> 03:22:12,170
The light will still bear.

2003
03:22:12,310 --> 03:22:15,350
But let me just go back to there, which is right here.

2004
03:22:15,390 --> 03:22:17,470
You see the dotted line, which is what

2005
03:22:17,470 --> 03:22:19,750
that it will be nice to be able to give them some light

2006
03:22:19,750 --> 03:22:21,850
in this downstairs bathroom and some ventilation.

2007
03:22:22,530 --> 03:22:24,550
And that's the reason we took it further.

2008
03:22:25,050 --> 03:22:29,090
But I would let the homeowners address that if they want to.

2009
03:22:29,650 --> 03:22:31,330
If the commission really feels strongly

2010
03:22:31,330 --> 03:22:34,010
about making this smaller.

2011
03:22:38,610 --> 03:22:40,190
Yeah, because I like to explore that mainly,

2012
03:22:40,190 --> 03:22:46,990
because you have such a functional light well on the other side that's, you know, also is more

2013
03:22:46,990 --> 03:22:51,390
the privacy here. And then also because you have the pathway, the reason that it's been

2014
03:22:51,390 --> 03:22:57,390
proposed along this side, that's the only reason I'm saying could this light will be, like,

2015
03:22:57,550 --> 03:23:03,750
go made with it because it's also privacy issues too. And also the steep terrain that's all there,

2016
03:23:03,970 --> 03:23:09,830
you know, keeping the beer from falling in. I would let you know. Yeah, sure. I'll, I'll, I'll

2017
03:23:09,830 --> 03:23:17,130
to it. So the that light well is actually not on the steep part, the steep part for the pictures

2018
03:23:17,130 --> 03:23:23,070
is closer to the neighboring property. So we don't actually quite have a problem way. It's the

2019
03:23:23,070 --> 03:23:31,590
light well. The purpose of this one for us was really the three purposes were to get some light

2020
03:23:31,590 --> 03:23:37,440
into that into that bathroom and light and ventilation into that bathroom. It was to have the

2021
03:23:37,440 --> 03:23:46,380
way not be like go down and be very dark right because the rest of the stairway has

2022
03:23:46,380 --> 03:23:51,660
windows on the side so we get some natural light coming into the stairway and we didn't

2023
03:23:51,660 --> 03:23:59,060
we were trying to avoid having the bottom part of the stairway be very dark in a way that the

2024
03:23:59,060 --> 03:24:09,420
floors were not and you know all you know we some of those windows actually open so that

2025
03:24:09,420 --> 03:24:16,100
we can get some natural cross ventilation so we wanted to be able to get like actual you

2026
03:24:16,100 --> 03:24:22,700
know stuff coming through the house including you know on the lower floors so those are

2027
03:24:22,700 --> 03:24:24,840
the big reasons.

2028
03:24:26,240 --> 03:24:30,980
Let me ask you also on that lower light, well, it doesn't lead you anywhere.

2029
03:24:31,260 --> 03:24:32,520
You're just down there, right?

2030
03:24:32,700 --> 03:24:36,860
You just know escaping going up the stairs or the ladder.

2031
03:24:38,140 --> 03:24:38,180
No.

2032
03:24:39,600 --> 03:24:46,580
So it's like, it's not a requirement, but right now, I don't know if when we submit to building,

2033
03:24:46,780 --> 03:24:51,940
it will require us to put a monkey ladder, but right now, because we have one exit out from

2034
03:24:51,940 --> 03:24:58,560
placement on this side and one on the other side, it technically is not a requirement that's why we didn't show one.

2035
03:25:02,060 --> 03:25:20,320
Like I said, I'm just not used to seeing so many linear feet of lightwalls, that's what I'm trying to see if there's a way to kind of compromise, keep in the one that is functional and taking maybe one away that's not so functional. I don't know, just my two thoughts, my two cents, that's it. So it's a

2036
03:25:22,690 --> 03:25:23,110
thing.

2037
03:25:23,270 --> 03:25:28,870
And last special, since we can ask a cool equipment, that is something we're going to be doing.

2038
03:25:29,930 --> 03:25:32,110
Well, if you want to point at it, we have a plan.

2039
03:25:32,870 --> 03:25:35,890
Yeah, I'm just trying to see where which sheet, because I don't know which.

2040
03:25:36,170 --> 03:25:36,930
No, but it's on that.

2041
03:25:37,430 --> 03:25:38,690
You can see it on this sheet.

2042
03:25:38,830 --> 03:25:39,870
It's right where she's pointing.

2043
03:25:42,330 --> 03:25:44,770
It's right underneath the staircase.

2044
03:25:45,610 --> 03:25:46,010
Okay.

2045
03:25:47,110 --> 03:25:48,030
So this is the area.

2046
03:25:48,130 --> 03:25:48,350
I'm sorry.

2047
03:25:48,350 --> 03:25:50,710
I was looking for the sheet on the other screen.

2048
03:25:51,730 --> 03:25:52,270
I'm sorry.

2049
03:25:53,410 --> 03:25:54,330
Yeah, I showed it.

2050
03:25:54,630 --> 03:26:00,310
But basically, we are putting it under this area because we need to tuck it away.

2051
03:26:00,310 --> 03:26:06,490
it's not really visible and then of course we have the MDA issue. Okay, okay great.

2052
03:26:07,670 --> 03:26:14,310
I would also add that visibility is important but the sound I think will be very important because

2053
03:26:14,310 --> 03:26:23,670
that area is so wonderfully quiet that you'll want to make sure that you don't create an echo

2054
03:26:23,670 --> 03:26:29,110
chamber that broad casts that were in noise into the canyon.

2055
03:26:33,360 --> 03:26:34,400
So basically it's

2056
03:26:34,400 --> 03:26:39,180
in to like a bunker type of set. Commissioner Worshura? Yeah. Okay.

2057
03:26:41,620 --> 03:26:42,400
I wouldn't use the

2058
03:26:42,400 --> 03:26:49,800
word bunker just because of the technical. It is it is going to be under the landing of

2059
03:26:49,800 --> 03:26:53,520
the stairs. It's kind of like a pool room if you didn't have the plunt or we would have

2060
03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:57,760
had access from here. We are going to just do it from the top. Sorry, you just wanted to

2061
03:26:57,760 --> 03:27:00,900
Yeah, I think it's a better word than, okay.

2062
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:01,420
Yeah.

2063
03:27:02,020 --> 03:27:02,500
Thanks.

2064
03:27:04,440 --> 03:27:08,800
But I mean, our current pool of Cova is in a very ugly shed that we want to get rid of, but

2065
03:27:08,800 --> 03:27:12,140
the one good thing about it was that it did attenuate the sound.

2066
03:27:13,200 --> 03:27:17,760
And we'd want to preserve that because any sound that happens down there bounces right off the

2067
03:27:17,760 --> 03:27:18,880
Jesuit Hill and hits us.

2068
03:27:19,560 --> 03:27:22,740
So we definitely feel appreciation for opening it.

2069
03:27:22,960 --> 03:27:23,860
Okay, great.

2070
03:27:23,960 --> 03:27:24,960
Thank you.

2071
03:27:27,620 --> 03:27:44,900
All right. Anybody else have any questions? Okay, so then at this point I'm going to close the public hearing and let's start our discussions fellow commissioners who wants to go first.

2072
03:27:48,260 --> 03:27:50,680
Not the heck with it, I'll go first.

2073
03:27:51,400 --> 03:27:52,000
Okay.

2074
03:27:57,670 --> 03:28:01,310
I'll start off by saying a couple of things that I noticed

2075
03:28:01,310 --> 03:28:03,510
and one of them is a rye.

2076
03:28:04,630 --> 03:28:09,590
The idea of trading off wall sconces versus recessed lights

2077
03:28:10,910 --> 03:28:15,870
and you've gone the recessed route and thank you.

2078
03:28:15,870 --> 03:28:19,610
I've tried to make people understand that wall sconces

2079
03:28:21,190 --> 03:28:29,220
light up the wall and that's what you can see from miles away when there's a three-story house with all the walls lit up

2080
03:28:30,010 --> 03:28:36,680
Where's really what you really want to do is lit light up the floor or the table where you're having your cocktails or whatever

2081
03:28:37,730 --> 03:28:41,500
So please don't put any sconces in if you don't have to

2082
03:28:42,670 --> 03:28:44,490
recess light and

2083
03:28:44,490 --> 03:28:48,410
The word recessed emphasising and glad you showed the picture,

2084
03:28:49,390 --> 03:28:51,330
the one where the adjustable angle,

2085
03:28:52,770 --> 03:28:55,330
that's in the days when lights had filaments.

2086
03:28:56,210 --> 03:28:57,490
I always pleaded for,

2087
03:28:58,670 --> 03:29:01,850
there could be no line of sight from an observer

2088
03:29:01,850 --> 03:29:04,170
to the filament of a bulb.

2089
03:29:05,130 --> 03:29:08,730
You can only see light that had bounced off something else,

2090
03:29:09,530 --> 03:29:11,430
but no direct line of sight to the filament.

2091
03:29:11,430 --> 03:29:18,410
But we don't have filaments these days, but we do actually have primary emitters, but they're

2092
03:29:18,410 --> 03:29:24,160
not as small and as bright, they're a little bit wider space.

2093
03:29:25,400 --> 03:29:33,240
But the ones you had there, I love them, that they had a finite angle of down would be.

2094
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:39,700
We went through the findings right at the beginning, and I mentioned them here only now because

2095
03:29:39,700 --> 03:29:45,880
nobody else has discussed them. I went over them and no problem with them. I think everything

2096
03:29:45,880 --> 03:29:49,900
you said there is quite correct. The other house is in the neighborhood.

2097
03:29:57,600 --> 03:29:59,920
You're not

2098
03:29:59,920 --> 03:29:59,960
.

2099
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:10,420
The findings being necessary. The irony is you are reducing the amount of incursion on this house. What was there before?

2100
03:30:11,620 --> 03:30:20,200
So it would be really ironic if we disapprove the findings or were not prepared to vote for them.

2101
03:30:20,200 --> 03:30:25,940
This is an improvement, so I think we should encourage that.

2102
03:30:26,420 --> 03:30:35,890
In my final point, and I mentioned this just in as a form of praise, a couple of times

2103
03:30:35,890 --> 03:30:41,390
you mentioned the words tuck into the hillside, wow.

2104
03:30:43,550 --> 03:30:49,570
We have had a couple of houses over the last few years, which have been set like clump

2105
03:30:49,570 --> 03:31:01,450
putting us on a platter on top of a hill and this is tucked into a hillside and I just

2106
03:31:01,450 --> 03:31:06,250
bring it up here because I'm so happy to hear that and with that I'll

2107
03:31:06,250 --> 03:31:06,770
side.

2108
03:31:12,440 --> 03:31:13,820
Okay, who wants to go next?

2109
03:31:16,280 --> 03:31:20,260
Okay, Jim. I concur with just these comments.

2110
03:31:22,320 --> 03:31:23,880
I think it

2111
03:31:23,880 --> 03:31:30,060
not only is it a little bit of an improvement. It's a massive improvement in my opinion.

2112
03:31:31,460 --> 03:31:35,580
There's a tremendous amount of deferred maintenance on this home and

2113
03:31:36,740 --> 03:31:42,360
And they, I believe have done a fairly good job with a non-conforming law.

2114
03:31:42,660 --> 03:31:47,460
A 4,000 square foot home is, or 4,000 square foot MFA is not huge.

2115
03:31:47,960 --> 03:31:57,780
My view is that using a little extra light well to give a sense of size, especially considering

2116
03:31:57,780 --> 03:32:07,620
people are going to see the light well is probably okay and I do think that all the metrics seem

2117
03:32:07,620 --> 03:32:15,760
to be calling them right direction. The only exception is this grading exception and I do believe

2118
03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:23,670
that it is necessary because it's a non-conforming law and they really were forced by the

2119
03:32:23,670 --> 03:32:31,590
department and other constraints to make do in the best possible way and I think they've made

2120
03:32:31,590 --> 03:32:39,390
some good choices here. The issue about the pathway on the other side, I just want to reiterate

2121
03:32:39,390 --> 03:32:46,050
one comment about that. Though there is this issue about it being seen and we can't build a pathway

2122
03:32:46,050 --> 03:32:53,350
there. The concern that I have is that we would nonetheless say put in a pathway

2123
03:32:53,350 --> 03:33:08,490
and that would prevent them from being able to put up a shrubs or a fence to provide some screening from the pathway.

2124
03:33:09,030 --> 03:33:20,510
I believe this is a very important pathway. I love the idea of taking this pathway, getting up,

2125
03:33:22,770 --> 03:33:39,590
So I really want to encourage making sure it's done, but I think what we, what hopefully we will consider is to use the exact same language we did on the last project in order to have them work out a 20-foot conduit for that.

2126
03:33:40,010 --> 03:33:41,570
And that's all I have.

2127
03:33:43,730 --> 03:33:44,850
All right, Brigida?

2128
03:33:45,590 --> 03:33:51,130
I have a question on the padlet because pathways are not in the conditions you're provided.

2129
03:33:51,130 --> 03:33:55,440
I don't understand your question, Brigina.

2130
03:33:56,220 --> 03:33:57,920
I'm basically on the previous property,

2131
03:33:58,240 --> 03:34:01,480
there was the pathways where you know,

2132
03:34:01,540 --> 03:34:03,580
given what condition number,

2133
03:34:03,720 --> 03:34:06,180
missing something on the title.

2134
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:08,680
It should be under the engineering conditions.

2135
03:34:10,400 --> 03:34:12,280
And it's drawn on the maps,

2136
03:34:15,130 --> 03:34:16,490
the site plan.

2137
03:34:17,390 --> 03:34:19,510
Okay, yeah, number 32.

2138
03:34:20,190 --> 03:34:20,910
No, that's right.

2139
03:34:20,970 --> 03:34:21,050
That's right.

2140
03:34:21,050 --> 03:34:21,230
That's the season.

2141
03:34:21,230 --> 03:34:22,990
And that sees me.

2142
03:34:22,990 --> 03:34:24,130
Oh, here's a 33.

2143
03:34:24,730 --> 03:34:27,350
33, OK, yeah, I just want to make sure that it was there.

2144
03:34:28,350 --> 03:34:28,930
Is that even thing?

2145
03:34:29,170 --> 03:34:32,650
And I've spoken with the owner here.

2146
03:34:34,290 --> 03:34:38,550
And further below on the property, that would be fine, though,

2147
03:34:38,610 --> 03:34:41,630
be careful of that poison oak that's down there.

2148
03:34:41,890 --> 03:34:45,550
Or further up on the property, a budding, what

2149
03:34:45,550 --> 03:34:49,510
would now be an amusement for a right of way.

2150
03:34:49,790 --> 03:34:50,730
That would be fine.

2151
03:34:50,730 --> 03:34:59,950
It really is this one section that is, I think, a very sensitive area, and I think that we can accomplish the important goal of making it.

2152
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:05,700
The past week, but also providing these folks with some privacy.

2153
03:35:07,280 --> 03:35:14,460
So, let me ask you, Commissioners, as I said, we have a few things, it seems like, which was an agreement

2154
03:35:14,460 --> 03:35:22,460
of planting vegetation to prevent the three-story facade appearance. I think, you know, the architects are

2155
03:35:22,460 --> 03:35:27,460
agreed to send me with the homeowners. That's an old brainer to make sure that that is put into the

2156
03:35:27,460 --> 03:35:32,480
conditions. And then they're tying back to the previous property where we had the conditions

2157
03:35:32,480 --> 03:35:38,580
on the pathway that there'd be a some kind of discussion going on between the two homeowners

2158
03:35:39,340 --> 03:35:48,260
or the two projects and the city to come up with that. And then also about the staging

2159
03:35:48,260 --> 03:35:54,060
a partnership and a construction operation plan, a little bit more thoroughly than we have

2160
03:35:54,060 --> 03:36:00,360
most players because of the situation of East Sunset road being so tight and there's no parking

2161
03:36:00,360 --> 03:36:01,000
there.

2162
03:36:01,460 --> 03:36:06,960
And then not to forget also anything with the trucks, noticing neighbors, but any trucks

2163
03:36:06,960 --> 03:36:10,820
that is over by tons, like you did in the last property.

2164
03:36:11,280 --> 03:36:16,020
So we have a little bit of repeat of some of those conditions since the similar situations,

2165
03:36:17,140 --> 03:36:17,400
Yep.

2166
03:36:17,400 --> 03:36:21,220
You also mentioned removal of a chant.

2167
03:36:21,800 --> 03:36:24,040
That might be something under consideration.

2168
03:36:26,020 --> 03:36:27,660
You know, keep that.

2169
03:36:27,680 --> 03:36:29,800
The area where it's private to them.

2170
03:36:29,800 --> 03:36:30,640
Keep that.

2171
03:36:30,780 --> 03:36:31,380
Let's recess less.

2172
03:36:31,540 --> 03:36:33,280
I would really like to see that one can.

2173
03:36:33,580 --> 03:36:34,660
Basic outwards.

2174
03:36:35,380 --> 03:36:36,280
I think we are.

2175
03:36:36,280 --> 03:36:37,880
We're doing this recess lights.

2176
03:36:38,180 --> 03:36:38,680
Thank you.

2177
03:36:39,980 --> 03:36:40,220
No.

2178
03:36:40,400 --> 03:36:43,040
One light is not going to.

2179
03:36:43,040 --> 03:36:46,800
You know, change any major issues here.

2180
03:36:46,800 --> 03:36:55,800
Yeah. Yeah. I like that it was seated in that was actually really great and also to see that there is a narrow range. So I do agree with

2181
03:36:56,820 --> 03:37:04,140
Commissioner Caparis as far as, yeah, that definitely what we're trying to avoid is the cruise ships on the hill type of effect.

2182
03:37:04,140 --> 03:37:07,980
Yeah, I know. I'm from the interior anyway.

2183
03:37:08,740 --> 03:37:13,020
But let me comment on this lighting. I think we're going sometimes over more.

2184
03:37:13,640 --> 03:37:17,800
We should look at the new standards of LED lighting.

2185
03:37:18,380 --> 03:37:23,960
What was shown by Malika was the new LED lighting recess flights,

2186
03:37:23,960 --> 03:37:30,820
which are way different in how they operate compared to what are, you know,

2187
03:37:30,820 --> 03:37:33,960
standard lights that we are familiar with.

2188
03:37:34,420 --> 03:37:37,060
So it's better to understand them.

2189
03:37:37,220 --> 03:37:41,700
And I completely agree with what you mentioned.

2190
03:37:42,660 --> 03:37:46,620
They are 10 times, if not more, better than having walls

2191
03:37:46,620 --> 03:37:47,080
concerts.

2192
03:37:48,440 --> 03:37:51,620
And if you like, I can show you examples

2193
03:37:51,620 --> 03:37:54,860
that other properties, where recess lighting

2194
03:37:54,860 --> 03:37:58,240
is not as bad as you think, walls concerts

2195
03:37:58,240 --> 03:38:00,140
are really, really bad.

2196
03:38:02,520 --> 03:38:07,460
If I could jump in here, there's a sort of ambiguity when we call them

2197
03:38:07,460 --> 03:38:15,980
recessed lighting. We used to use that term, for example, in my kitchen here, I have lights in

2198
03:38:15,980 --> 03:38:24,940
cans in the ceiling, but the front of the bulb is flush with the ceiling. So I can see the actual

2199
03:38:24,940 --> 03:38:33,920
body of the glass of the bulb, as I move around the kitchen. What we saw in the drawing tonight

2200
03:38:34,700 --> 03:38:41,960
was a bulb recessed, let me call my kitchen recessed zero inches. It's not recessed. It's

2201
03:38:41,960 --> 03:38:48,800
fresh, pretty close to it. What we saw tonight was the bulb is way up inside the can

2202
03:38:48,800 --> 03:38:50,040
And therefore,

2203
03:38:52,400 --> 03:38:58,520
the being coming out has a restricted angle, it's no longer one 80 degrees.

2204
03:38:59,280 --> 03:39:01,840
It's closer to maybe 60 or 70 degrees.

2205
03:39:03,340 --> 03:39:10,000
And unfortunately, we've already used the word recessed to apply to bombs that were not recessed,

2206
03:39:10,220 --> 03:39:13,280
that the body was but not the lighting, making comment.

2207
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:16,600
So, no, I really love these lights.

2208
03:39:16,600 --> 03:39:17,480
Did

2209
03:39:19,940 --> 03:39:21,380
you have any other comments?

2210
03:39:25,340 --> 03:39:25,540
Okay.

2211
03:39:26,320 --> 03:39:29,200
Can I have something of my fellow commissioners?

2212
03:39:30,180 --> 03:39:34,000
And if it's not pertinent, please let me know and I'll take this elsewhere.

2213
03:39:34,680 --> 03:39:45,660
But the lantern, which Brigadier mentioned cruise ship concept, is, I've heard that many times.

2214
03:39:47,080 --> 03:39:52,060
But it never has anything to do with the outdoor lighting, it's what happens on the indoors.

2215
03:39:52,780 --> 03:39:59,960
And I was recently in a home that had floor to ceiling glass.

2216
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:26,940
Class, much like this one. And I looked up to see where are the shades? Where's that automatic thing that will drop a shade down in front of the glass to protect, to give them privacy, to prevent the light from emitting, but most, most.

2217
03:40:26,940 --> 03:40:32,620
You have to do with the great coming in. I live on a hillside and I have that beautiful

2218
03:40:32,620 --> 03:40:41,300
glass. I want to tell you, it gets hot and it can be unpleasant. And I'm just wondering if there

2219
03:40:41,300 --> 03:40:56,660
is a future effort that we should undertake about what happens right in the first three or four

2220
03:40:56,660 --> 03:41:00,340
and other features for residents.

2221
03:41:02,710 --> 03:41:03,930
Any feedback?

2222
03:41:05,050 --> 03:41:09,550
Fair. I can comment a little bit on that.

2223
03:41:09,990 --> 03:41:14,550
The new homes need to have a certain green points.

2224
03:41:15,610 --> 03:41:18,610
The more the glass, the less the green points,

2225
03:41:19,050 --> 03:41:23,910
because of the very issue that you mentioned about heat.

2226
03:41:23,910 --> 03:41:46,050
So it is a trade-off which the homeowners have to make up in getting their green points by using glass of a certain quality to avoid the heat from coming in to the home when you have a lot of glass.

2227
03:41:46,050 --> 03:41:58,970
So there are checks and balances for that purpose and the check, the balances of is the green points.

2228
03:41:59,430 --> 03:42:08,170
Well, I understand what you're talking about and they can fill the pains with argon and improve their green points.

2229
03:42:08,250 --> 03:42:14,150
I was hoping that we might be able to do something that would actually also help the lantern issue.

2230
03:42:14,150 --> 03:42:24,990
That the only thing I can think about for that is a very slight hint in the glass, because

2231
03:42:24,990 --> 03:42:32,070
hint in the glass could reduce some of the light emanating outside for the lantern effect.

2232
03:42:32,690 --> 03:42:36,750
Of course, the best alternative is to have shapes.

2233
03:42:39,250 --> 03:42:50,210
But yes, modern moves tend to have a lot of glass and you are limited to what alternatives

2234
03:42:50,210 --> 03:42:58,270
and options you might have, maybe they'll make them polarized at some point, yes.

2235
03:42:59,110 --> 03:43:06,730
Anyway, just a few of my comments, I agree with some of the

2236
03:43:06,730 --> 03:43:12,650
things which I've been discussed, we do need to repeat the construction operation plans,

2237
03:43:13,170 --> 03:43:21,710
whole section regarding the trucks and the fight on, you know, limit for notifications,

2238
03:43:22,510 --> 03:43:32,510
the parking and so on. We should also repeat the language for the pathway easement that we had

2239
03:43:32,510 --> 03:43:43,110
for the prior property for this property. Other than that, I found that they did a pretty good job.

2240
03:43:43,310 --> 03:43:51,790
The MDNMFA of the new home is less than their existing home. It's said that is more compliant

2241
03:43:51,790 --> 03:44:00,990
than their existing home. The only new, I would say, variance is the grading requirement and with a

2242
03:44:00,990 --> 03:44:09,530
like this. I can understand that some of that grading exceptions are reasonable. Even on the

2243
03:44:09,530 --> 03:44:15,430
light wills, I concur with what fellow commissioners Cooper said was sure of mentioned that I

2244
03:44:15,430 --> 03:44:25,670
don't see it as a major issue. It does provide a little bit more ventilation for the lower level

2245
03:44:25,670 --> 03:44:41,990
And more importantly, as was mentioned, it is a additional safety issue for the one time in a million where you might have a fire.

2246
03:44:42,870 --> 03:44:49,350
So I don't see it as a major concern or issue that I would address.

2247
03:44:49,350 --> 03:44:59,010
The vegetation condition for, you know, the facade is more of a landscape screening issue.

2248
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:09,900
We should at least, and we apparently have now mentioned it to the applicant that we are concerned about the vegetation issue.

2249
03:45:10,620 --> 03:45:22,980
But I think it would be better for them to handle it at landscape screening and the better approach might be to just say that landscape screening comes back to planning commission.

2250
03:45:22,980 --> 03:45:33,260
Because that way, you get a better opportunity to review it and make sure that it is to our like.

2251
03:45:35,060 --> 03:45:38,500
So anyway, so that's where my thoughts are.

2252
03:45:43,160 --> 03:45:48,520
Let's see, any more discussions, or do we want to have a motion?

2253
03:45:51,240 --> 03:45:54,840
I think or a shave, you summarized once.

2254
03:45:56,440 --> 03:45:57,720
His notion.

2255
03:46:02,800 --> 03:46:12,160
I think what you summarize was the motion from the documents we received with

2256
03:46:12,160 --> 03:46:15,540
the addition of the pathways thing. Did I get that wrong?

2257
03:46:16,760 --> 03:46:26,400
Yes, I would say the documents, pathways, and I would also add the same language to the

2258
03:46:26,400 --> 03:46:33,340
construction operations plans is the previous project about you know what you talked about the

2259
03:46:33,340 --> 03:46:36,640
fight on truck that holds section.

2260
03:46:38,780 --> 03:46:44,280
The fights on truck exactly. Yeah. And the parking and you know

2261
03:46:44,280 --> 03:46:50,120
I already forgot what you mentioned, but that was a wonderful statement you had.

2262
03:46:54,240 --> 03:46:57,460
If anyone else would like to try this, go for it.

2263
03:46:59,420 --> 03:47:06,600
I mean, basically do a repeat of what you said Jim.

2264
03:47:09,260 --> 03:47:13,820
I concur, maybe Jim, as the rookie, go for it again.

2265
03:47:14,900 --> 03:47:27,440
I moved to approve the application as condition on the conditions for

2266
03:47:27,440 --> 03:47:38,540
approval as described in the documents that were distributed with the following

2267
03:47:38,540 --> 03:47:47,440
additional requirements that there be a arching plan submitted to staff and

2268
03:47:47,440 --> 03:48:06,300
that we're able to staff that trucks exceeding five tons, trigger, notice to neighbors

2269
03:48:07,160 --> 03:48:11,120
as described in the existing conditions,

2270
03:48:17,260 --> 03:48:23,760
that staff will work with the resident and the

2271
03:48:23,760 --> 03:48:33,400
20-foot conduit along the shared property line to minimize the pathways easement on this property

2272
03:48:34,240 --> 03:48:43,140
adjacent to the new residents. And should no agreement be reached, both properties will

2273
03:48:43,140 --> 03:48:49,520
provide the 10th foot easement as originally conditioned.

2274
03:48:56,280 --> 03:48:57,620
I think that's it.

2275
03:48:57,620 --> 03:48:59,040
Yeah, there is more.

2276
03:48:59,340 --> 03:49:03,520
Yeah, one more that this project comes back for landscape screening.

2277
03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:06,420
Yeah, and this project comes back to landscape screening.

2278
03:49:07,400 --> 03:49:09,460
Brigitte, I think that means you second.

2279
03:49:09,460 --> 03:49:10,340
Second, yep.

2280
03:49:13,560 --> 03:49:17,000
OK, so we have a motion and we have a second.

2281
03:49:17,780 --> 03:49:21,080
Maybe have a roll call or do we want?

2282
03:49:22,180 --> 03:49:24,500
Is everybody agree about this?

2283
03:49:24,920 --> 03:49:26,400
Or do we need to have any discussion?

2284
03:49:30,690 --> 03:49:33,010
Okay. So let's have a roll call.

2285
03:49:34,270 --> 03:49:34,830
For more.

2286
03:49:40,060 --> 03:49:41,060
Commissioner Smith.

2287
03:49:42,160 --> 03:49:42,440
Yes.

2288
03:49:45,260 --> 03:49:46,140
Commissioner Indico.

2289
03:49:46,900 --> 03:49:47,260
Yes.

2290
03:49:48,540 --> 03:49:49,260
Commissioner Washera.

2291
03:49:50,340 --> 03:49:50,820
Yes.

2292
03:49:51,980 --> 03:49:52,960
Commissioner Capareth.

2293
03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:54,100
Yes.

2294
03:49:55,340 --> 03:49:56,000
Carapatelle.

2295
03:49:56,780 --> 03:49:57,080
Yes.

2296
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:08,080
Okay, congratulations. The motion passes and the project is approved, pending a 22 day appeal area.

2297
03:50:10,320 --> 03:50:24,500
Now, before we move on to the next item, do we want to agree on what we should raise regarding the road safety concern we talked about to council.

2298
03:50:24,500 --> 03:50:31,380
to should we send yet another reminder, letter, what should we do?

2299
03:50:36,580 --> 03:50:37,860
Zach raised his fingers.

2300
03:50:39,720 --> 03:50:44,320
Yes, so I just wanted to let everybody know that

2301
03:50:44,320 --> 03:50:49,000
it is on staff's radar, actually the public works commissioner has already been

2302
03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:54,200
pinging and Nicole was aware, was provided the copy of the letter that was sent

2303
03:50:54,200 --> 03:51:02,360
afternoon and our plan is to provide a report to council at the July meeting. So maybe that's

2304
03:51:02,360 --> 03:51:08,200
a good first step. But just to confirm it is on our radar and public works, we'll be looking

2305
03:51:08,200 --> 03:51:17,400
at a specific report to council. But in the spirit of what Rajiv is saying, I don't think it would

2306
03:51:17,400 --> 03:51:26,600
I heard for us to send a reminder letter saying, you know, we sent a letter and we're

2307
03:51:26,600 --> 03:51:30,060
resending it if you will, something along with his lines.

2308
03:51:31,080 --> 03:51:36,000
But I don't think we need a motion to do that, although we can have a motion if you want.

2309
03:51:36,280 --> 03:51:40,860
But I think the new chairman could.

2310
03:51:40,860 --> 03:52:00,340
But so, at least it's comforting to know that this time, at least the letter from the residents has gone to the council to us, to the staff and the staff, including the public monops department has acknowledged it.

2311
03:52:00,340 --> 03:52:08,800
So I'm confident that it is going to be raised at least for some discussion at the July

2312
03:52:08,800 --> 03:52:18,200
meeting. So I would say, let's wait. If it's not addressed at the council, July meeting,

2313
03:52:18,540 --> 03:52:25,000
then maybe we should raise it. We might raise it a reminder at our next planning commission meeting.

2314
03:52:25,000 --> 03:52:33,560
But my hope is that they will have an opportunity to discuss it since now, everybody is on call.

2315
03:52:34,980 --> 03:52:40,620
Okay. I agree where I achieved. I think that a group of residents going to counsel

2316
03:52:41,400 --> 03:52:47,920
in a group effort is possibly more effective than us writing a letter.

2317
03:52:50,560 --> 03:53:04,080
But I would hope that you can help us talk with Nicole and get those oleanders cut.

2318
03:53:05,180 --> 03:53:09,260
It should be a relatively minor effort.

2319
03:53:10,380 --> 03:53:12,480
I shouldn't say that I'm not doing it anymore.

2320
03:53:12,480 --> 03:53:27,480
But I do think that having more visibility around those turns, quite a bit, it could be achieved by trimming those, those holyanders and the other shrubs around that area.

2321
03:53:28,140 --> 03:53:35,820
And that might be a modest effort that game gives us some appreciation that people might appreciate.

2322
03:53:36,580 --> 03:53:40,400
I definitely, that's something we can we can talk to our maintenance crew about.

2323
03:53:40,400 --> 03:54:10,380
While it was briefly mentioned today, from when I made a big point of not driving there this time, I've been down that road before, and my neck is a little bit fused, and I find it hard to look over my shoulder when I'm backing up all that way, which I had to do, because some brilliant guy had in fact parked his car on the edge of the road,

2324
03:54:10,380 --> 03:54:16,660
road, and I couldn't go through to turn around to get out against. I had to back go all the way out.

2325
03:54:18,440 --> 03:54:25,100
But what was raised this evening in any imparting was a possibility at least in certain spots

2326
03:54:25,100 --> 03:54:32,140
of having a turnout, just a brief turnout, so that when there are two opposing vehicles,

2327
03:54:33,340 --> 03:54:40,360
there is some alternative to having to back all the way out. So if we could ask the town crew to

2328
03:54:40,360 --> 03:54:48,640
keep an eye out for possibilities to put 10 out in, either here or further down the road somewhere.

2329
03:54:53,820 --> 03:54:59,940
Okay, let's move on, item 5.3, 2, 6.

2330
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:14,640
It's 2-7-0, for Rismarot. Let's read. Lands of Bellevue, zooning permit to construct a new 12-foot tall sound

2331
03:55:14,640 --> 03:55:22,120
wall to the south of the residents and a variance to allow portions of the wall which exceed the

2332
03:55:22,120 --> 03:55:28,810
maximum wall height of 6 feet within the required rear yard set back.

2333
03:55:30,060 --> 03:55:35,640
Krista, you're on deck again. Yes, thank you. Okay,

2334
03:55:39,170 --> 03:55:39,770
so

2335
03:55:42,240 --> 03:55:44,810
here's the site and

2336
03:55:45,280 --> 03:55:57,480
surrounding properties. The site is located as you can see south of

2337
03:55:57,480 --> 03:56:08,940
be in the properties 2.1 acres in size. And this is the along the rear yard, the southwestern

2338
03:56:08,940 --> 03:56:19,500
forest portion. Yeah, the property is about 100 feet away from interstate 280.

2339
03:56:25,130 --> 03:56:28,830
And here's just

2340
03:56:28,830 --> 03:56:37,490
about, there is a new residence project that was completed last year. So, when the applicant applied

2341
03:56:37,490 --> 03:56:47,870
for that project in 2016, had a sound study done in October 2015, together existing outdoor

2342
03:56:47,870 --> 03:56:54,150
sound levels on the property for the project. And then it was, so it was approved at a fast track

2343
03:56:54,150 --> 03:57:00,870
during on January 8, 2016, and the permit was issued in September 2016.

2344
03:57:01,910 --> 03:57:11,170
The landscape screening was approved, yeah, three years later, in 2019, and on January 7,

2345
03:57:11,510 --> 03:57:19,070
the new residence was final. And then recently in May, the applicant retained a second sound

2346
03:57:19,070 --> 03:57:26,930
engineering consultant to observe the noise coming from Interstate 280 and to evaluate ways

2347
03:57:26,930 --> 03:57:29,810
to reduce the exterior noise exposure.

2348
03:57:32,890 --> 03:57:38,990
So here's kind of a 3D view of the site and then

2349
03:57:38,990 --> 03:57:48,890
here's where the proposed sound walls going. So there's a 56-foot portion that faces

2350
03:57:49,690 --> 03:57:58,350
person, a person on Ravlita and then this longer 210 foot portion that

2351
03:57:58,810 --> 03:58:02,610
per segment that faces interstate 280.

2352
03:58:07,580 --> 03:58:10,560
And then here are some site photos. So this is

2353
03:58:10,560 --> 03:58:18,680
yeah, facing the home from that intersection, the yellow here. I drew a yellow box

2354
03:58:18,680 --> 03:58:23,440
just to kind of show the height of the wall and the width.

2355
03:58:24,040 --> 03:58:26,620
So it would, there's, so right now,

2356
03:58:26,760 --> 03:58:29,220
there's an existing residence,

2357
03:58:29,860 --> 03:58:31,760
which is, yeah, completed earlier this year,

2358
03:58:31,920 --> 03:58:35,520
same with the accessory dwelling unit here,

2359
03:58:35,840 --> 03:58:37,680
referred to as the nanny house.

2360
03:58:38,240 --> 03:58:42,780
And then so this wall is much more visible

2361
03:58:43,540 --> 03:58:47,580
along person and so,

2362
03:58:47,580 --> 03:59:14,200
But it's just the length of it is this the south eastern facing wall of that of that 80 you and then and then this photo just you show kind of a yeah from or that's yeah showing that intersection and just kind of what's along that road there's there's no property at the end there.

2363
03:59:14,200 --> 03:59:26,320
There are properties across the street, but and then here below in the lower right image is just a view.

2364
03:59:26,380 --> 03:59:33,460
I wanted to capture a view of the the back that that back wall and that within the rear yard set back.

2365
03:59:33,900 --> 03:59:39,300
So along the there's a front existing pathway along.

2366
03:59:39,300 --> 03:59:51,840
And yeah, along that, along Prisma Road, and from there facing towards the house, you would not be able to see that that wall proposed within the rear here at setback.

2367
03:59:52,120 --> 03:59:56,200
It just mainly that wall facing over here facing Prisma,

2368
03:59:58,520 --> 04:00:00,000
and then here just the more sightful.

2369
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:09,460
So, that's the Accessory Dwelling unit, the back yard, and then here is there's actually an existing eight foot wall.

2370
04:00:09,480 --> 04:00:17,360
That was approved with the landscape screening here, and just some existing cipher sises that were planted.

2371
04:00:17,360 --> 04:00:32,540
And also here, so the elevation of the home and and accessory going in the backyard is raised slightly so there's a valley here.

2372
04:00:33,440 --> 04:00:49,120
I looked at the new residents project, the one that was approved in 2016, and it looks like the, it appears that the, um, the grade was, um, elevated like that.

2373
04:00:49,120 --> 04:01:00,360
The existing grade was already slightly raised. I think you can see it more like right here. It was slightly raised already and with the new residents project.

2374
04:01:00,360 --> 04:01:07,960
the this portion over here, along where the accessory

2375
04:01:07,960 --> 04:01:15,060
dwelling unit is located and a portion here of the backyard was raised

2376
04:01:15,060 --> 04:01:20,800
three feet at a maximum of three feet. So it was just that area that was raised

2377
04:01:20,800 --> 04:01:28,960
and but yeah for some reason the grade was already slightly taller and down

2378
04:01:28,960 --> 04:01:36,520
here, it's just a vacant area that was previously used or previously had a septic system.

2379
04:01:38,560 --> 04:01:47,300
And then yes, and then back to the photos. So the wall, the south eastern facing wall would end

2380
04:01:47,300 --> 04:01:54,760
right at the corner of the accessory dwelling unit. Here is just the view of how close the

2381
04:01:54,760 --> 04:02:05,760
way is and then just in that baking area and the highway there and then here's the backyard with the pool

2382
04:02:06,300 --> 04:02:15,780
some more images that the existing home and then again here so the yeah that rear yard

2383
04:02:15,780 --> 04:02:22,680
that wall located in the rear yard will be back here and then I'll go around and then around the

2384
04:02:22,680 --> 04:02:26,460
that self-eastern face of the accessory dwelling unit.

2385
04:02:27,260 --> 04:02:31,040
And to just kind of show the Northwestern property line.

2386
04:02:31,540 --> 04:02:35,800
Let's give context that's going here.

2387
04:02:36,840 --> 04:02:38,820
Just for view impacts.

2388
04:02:39,740 --> 04:02:45,120
So there's existing, there's an existing fence along that entire property line.

2389
04:02:45,920 --> 04:02:48,880
And existing trees and tall shrubs.

2390
04:02:48,880 --> 04:03:02,380
So I don't think that there will be visual impacts to those neighbors and here just another view of the site.

2391
04:03:03,660 --> 04:03:11,720
So yes, so the applicant is proposing a maximum 12 foot tall sound wall.

2392
04:03:11,720 --> 04:03:24,180
So, this segment, the South Eastern facing wall, will be 12 feet tall, but, and 56 feet long.

2393
04:03:25,380 --> 04:03:36,760
However, to limit visual impacts, the applicant is also proposing redwood and cyclists or other types of evergreen trees.

2394
04:03:36,760 --> 04:03:46,760
And but just to just to mention that this segment is not located or is outside the setbacks.

2395
04:03:47,600 --> 04:03:51,160
And so this portion is not part of the setback variance.

2396
04:03:52,500 --> 04:03:59,680
This this southwestern facing wall facing the highway is 210 feet long.

2397
04:03:59,680 --> 04:04:29,440
from here, this portion of it, that's a hundred and forty feet long, gradually increases from five feet up to eight feet, along there's an existing berm there, and then the next seventy feet is increases again from eight feet to twelve feet, and yes, this portion is located with all within the rear yard set back and it's

2398
04:04:29,440 --> 04:04:32,000
15 feet from the property line,

2399
04:04:35,510 --> 04:04:50,370
and then, yes, so the main purpose of the wall is to mitigate noise from high way to 80, especially in the backyard area in the rear yard.

2400
04:04:51,970 --> 04:04:59,950
And the sound wall, the applicant is proposing to use tough barrier or was proposing to use

2401
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:11,920
A tough barrier wall. It doesn't quite look like a typical, you know, concrete sound wall that you see on the freeway, just to try to give it a better appearance.

2402
04:05:13,840 --> 04:05:16,600
And then here's just a rendering.

2403
04:05:18,500 --> 04:05:30,680
I tried, I was going to include an image that does of the wall I put a wall behind you just to kind of show that what it would look like with some trees in front of it.

2404
04:05:30,760 --> 04:05:38,600
It doesn't look too visible from here, but yeah, there would be, there would need to be quite some many trees and

2405
04:05:39,440 --> 04:05:43,500
I'll leave, I would want to require at least 36 inch box.

2406
04:05:43,620 --> 04:05:49,520
There's also 48 inch box if we want instant screening.

2407
04:05:50,340 --> 04:05:54,660
But that was one way we tried, I tried to,

2408
04:05:54,660 --> 04:06:00,840
or the applicant and I tried to work to find a way to limit the visual impacts

2409
04:06:00,840 --> 04:06:04,260
the neighbors in surrounding area.

2410
04:06:06,420 --> 04:06:13,120
And we also try to reduce the height of the sound wall,

2411
04:06:15,280 --> 04:06:15,280
but

2412
04:06:15,280 --> 04:06:25,270
according to the consultant that the applicant recently worked with.

2413
04:06:29,110 --> 04:06:39,430
So yeah, so okay, some of the key findings from the 2015 report were sound measurements

2414
04:06:39,430 --> 04:06:46,390
on the property range from a daily average of 64 to 67 decibels with maximum sound levels

2415
04:06:46,390 --> 04:06:58,150
of 67 to 70 and as a general guideline, exterior sound level should be kept

2416
04:06:58,150 --> 04:07:10,050
at below 60 decibels and so the recently, the second a sound engineer that the applicant

2417
04:07:10,050 --> 04:07:17,470
work with observed the site and observed that the site is exposed to direct line of site

2418
04:07:17,470 --> 04:07:23,110
automobile traffic, traveling in both directions on interstate 280. That's why there's

2419
04:07:23,950 --> 04:07:31,590
There's that wall along the south eastern side and the southwestern side to block that line of site.

2420
04:07:33,010 --> 04:07:40,610
And the reason for the height of the wall is because in order to effectively mitigate sound,

2421
04:07:41,890 --> 04:07:49,110
you need to be able to block the line of site, which is the highest point of the noise source

2422
04:07:49,110 --> 04:07:56,090
and the highest point of the receiver as you can kind of see from this example, this image here

2423
04:07:57,310 --> 04:08:04,970
and yeah so yeah basically it needs to be tall enough and whether it be a wall or you know

2424
04:08:04,970 --> 04:08:08,650
a berm it would it would still need to be that height

2425
04:08:11,050 --> 04:08:15,950
and then so to general plan always element

2426
04:08:15,950 --> 04:08:23,630
policy 2.1, all development adjacent to interstate 280, a rest center road or foot hill expressway,

2427
04:08:23,950 --> 04:08:29,570
should be designed so as to minimize the impacts of noise generated by traffic movement. However,

2428
04:08:29,930 --> 04:08:36,970
policy 2.4 states that the construction of sound walls on private property adjacent to interstate 280

2429
04:08:36,970 --> 04:08:39,410
and within the state right away should be discouraged

2430
04:08:42,010 --> 04:08:46,050
and then as for town community review,

2431
04:08:46,050 --> 04:08:57,370
The Environmental Design and Production Committee reviewed the project and recommended that the applicant choose an earthen burn rather than a sound wall because it will blend better with the existing vegetation.

2432
04:08:58,230 --> 04:09:06,290
Also requested that planning staff formalized guidelines for a sound on mitigation and provide best best practices for future new construction projects.

2433
04:09:07,850 --> 04:09:26,590
And then staff was contacted by one neighbor, located directly across the street at 2, 6, 3, 0, 3, for some a road, who reviewed the site plan and didn't have any objections to the proposal and yet know other comments from neighbors.

2434
04:09:28,580 --> 04:09:37,300
And then the staff suggests that the commission review, the two sandwall segments, the

2435
04:09:37,300 --> 04:09:43,520
south eastern and southwestern segments separately, and take individual action on each.

2436
04:09:44,200 --> 04:09:49,100
Staff does not have a specific recommendation, but provides the commission with the following

2437
04:09:49,100 --> 04:09:55,280
three options, approve the zoning permit and setback variance, approve the zoning permit and

2438
04:09:55,280 --> 04:09:59,880
the setback rings and or deny these.

2439
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:09,480
Any permit and or set back payments and provide direction for revising the design and our placement of these on walls. And that concludes my presentation.

2440
04:10:13,010 --> 04:10:13,530
Questions?

2441
04:10:13,750 --> 04:10:14,530
Okay.

2442
04:10:19,900 --> 04:10:21,260
Questions from anybody?

2443
04:10:25,180 --> 04:10:26,080
Okay, Jim.

2444
04:10:30,610 --> 04:10:38,110
I benefited from talking with the owner and others about this.

2445
04:10:38,110 --> 04:10:44,790
and I was under the impression that there might be an alternative approach

2446
04:10:45,910 --> 04:10:52,830
that was under consideration as an option. One that involved putting a three-foot

2447
04:10:52,830 --> 04:11:03,230
berm down first and then putting a less tall thing on top of that. Is that still under consideration?

2448
04:11:03,230 --> 04:11:10,510
is that an option or should we only be looking at the present description that you described?

2449
04:11:13,180 --> 04:11:17,800
I believe that the applicant will be presenting an alternative option.

2450
04:11:17,960 --> 04:11:21,140
Oh, I see. Got it.

2451
04:11:21,220 --> 04:11:23,160
What happened to anything else?

2452
04:11:28,820 --> 04:11:37,800
Yes, the the height limit of a fence is the same as the height limit of a wall.

2453
04:11:37,800 --> 04:11:53,280
In fact, the difference between a wall and a fence is pretty loosey-goosey, you can make a double wall fence, and that looks like a wall to me, but some might call it a fence.

2454
04:11:54,500 --> 04:12:05,000
And it's clear that if that fence is in the setback, our regulations say that it should be no taller than six feet.

2455
04:12:05,000 --> 04:12:11,300
But if it's outside of the setback, if it's in your property proper,

2456
04:12:13,620 --> 04:12:25,280
I understand that we have a limit for a tennis court athletic fence that's 10 feet and that that

2457
04:12:25,280 --> 04:12:35,940
One might consider that if since that is limited to ten feet that all walls or fences are limited to ten feet, but are you aware?

2458
04:12:36,580 --> 04:12:40,060
Are there any high restrictions?

2459
04:12:41,280 --> 04:12:48,640
What are the high restrictions on fences that are built outside of the set back here?

2460
04:12:48,640 --> 04:12:58,740
So yeah, that's not, it's not really specified in the code, but we would, yeah, for fences

2461
04:12:58,740 --> 04:13:05,160
or walls or, yeah, within or outside the setbacks that exceed six feet, we would most likely

2462
04:13:05,160 --> 04:13:12,660
escalate to site development hearing or planning commission hearing level. So that's that's

2463
04:13:12,660 --> 04:13:18,540
what staff kind of determined and yeah, we determined that the the max or staff would probably

2464
04:13:18,540 --> 04:13:27,680
support up to eight foot wall or fence, even outside the setback, but it's not specifically stated in the code.

2465
04:13:28,300 --> 04:13:36,860
And when you say outside the setback, you mean that on this diagram, it would be the 56-foot portion.

2466
04:13:37,480 --> 04:13:40,840
That's the portion that is outside of the setback.

2467
04:13:41,160 --> 04:13:41,440
Yes.

2468
04:13:43,080 --> 04:13:45,280
All right. I think I understand. Thank you very much.

2469
04:13:45,280 --> 04:13:48,240
Why do you got this slide up?

2470
04:13:49,020 --> 04:13:53,980
You said there's an existing wall that's already built a section of eight foot wall.

2471
04:13:54,420 --> 04:13:56,340
Can you show where that is?

2472
04:13:56,620 --> 04:13:59,200
Yeah, so let's look at it right here.

2473
04:14:00,100 --> 04:14:01,280
Yeah, right on here.

2474
04:14:02,460 --> 04:14:05,360
I believe it's that outdoor shower area.

2475
04:14:07,480 --> 04:14:09,220
But that was approved with the landscapes.

2476
04:14:09,880 --> 04:14:10,620
Yeah, yeah.

2477
04:14:10,880 --> 04:14:13,500
No, it's just that wasn't a way that that wall was there.

2478
04:14:18,950 --> 04:14:21,250
Oh, go ahead, bring it

2479
04:14:23,650 --> 04:14:23,990
in.

2480
04:14:23,990 --> 04:14:28,350
Wrong, but one other clarification since you see kind of brought the eight foot wall there.

2481
04:14:28,730 --> 04:14:36,710
What is the height of the other wall that's on the eastern side of that other is you got eight foot there.

2482
04:14:37,490 --> 04:14:41,190
And then you've got on the other side of the lawn on the other side of the pool.

2483
04:14:41,950 --> 04:14:46,710
There is a solid wall there as well. What's the height of that one?

2484
04:14:46,710 --> 04:14:48,550
Oh, right, this, this, this, this, this, this,

2485
04:14:48,990 --> 04:14:52,490
no, that we're there right there.

2486
04:14:52,650 --> 04:14:54,310
Is that the that hole length there is?

2487
04:14:54,310 --> 04:14:57,430
Oh, there is a hole length there is a solid wall as well.

2488
04:14:58,770 --> 04:14:59,530
Yes, I hope.

2489
04:14:59,670 --> 04:15:00,010
Yeah, I did.

2490
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:03,120
Your blog, second wall, just like the eight foot one.

2491
04:15:03,900 --> 04:15:09,020
Yeah. My right one. When that went to plan went to landscape screening, it's approximately

2492
04:15:09,020 --> 04:15:12,590
six feet. Okay.

2493
04:15:15,380 --> 04:15:16,460
Thank you for the clarification.

2494
04:15:19,780 --> 04:15:23,420
I have a question. Oh, you know, when let's say

2495
04:15:23,420 --> 04:15:30,260
cancran's wants to put a sound wall. They would also do a sound study.

2496
04:15:33,040 --> 04:15:35,340
For any sound walls,

2497
04:15:35,700 --> 04:15:43,880
do we need to have a study done to that level of detail or that level of standards to

2498
04:15:43,880 --> 04:15:52,060
assess the situation? Because it's not about assessing the sound levels for the applicant,

2499
04:15:52,060 --> 04:16:02,100
as much as it is to assess the sound levels for all of the neighborhood combined when you are thinking of sound waves.

2500
04:16:02,760 --> 04:16:05,940
So was any such study done?

2501
04:16:07,870 --> 04:16:09,650
Not to answer your question,

2502
04:16:11,930 --> 04:16:16,410
but having digitized a lot of the newspaper articles from that time,

2503
04:16:16,410 --> 04:16:24,370
A 280 was declared to be a scenic freeway and they didn't really define that, but they did

2504
04:16:24,370 --> 04:16:35,220
make a point if you careful if you're a servant, the section between where highway 85 is and

2505
04:16:35,220 --> 04:16:48,380
Monte on the, I call it the, the eastern side of 280. It has a very long sound wall from approximately

2506
04:16:48,380 --> 04:16:58,300
cupatino until just before our Monte. From then on, it was supposed to be a scenic freeway without sound

2507
04:17:00,260 --> 04:17:07,100
There were three root chosen for 280, roots A, B and C, and I forget which was the one

2508
04:17:07,100 --> 04:17:12,460
they finally chose, but there was a lot of discussion with it how we should go.

2509
04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:21,140
And so it's sort of ironic now that we're talking about putting us on rule up, which

2510
04:17:21,140 --> 04:17:27,780
at the time CalTrans was not going to do on their property, they didn't actually say no

2511
04:17:27,780 --> 04:17:36,080
else could do it, but Cal Friends specifically said, basically no soundwalls from El Monte

2512
04:17:38,840 --> 04:17:47,200
Northwoods through those autosphills, I don't know how far, I didn't answer your question,

2513
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:52,940
but that general subject has come up before, along to 80.

2514
04:17:52,940 --> 04:17:55,180
Can I ask you a question,

2515
04:17:57,660 --> 04:18:05,520
do you should this can we save this part of the discussion to whom we have our chance because I do have a presentation I like to submit.

2516
04:18:07,220 --> 04:18:17,200
We're at the search on all this stuff and I would really like to have an opportunity to have a little presentation as well when it's my turn in the correct sequence of events here.

2517
04:18:17,200 --> 04:18:18,020
Okay,

2518
04:18:23,050 --> 04:18:30,310
so let's know here from the applicant, the applicant has 15 minutes.

2519
04:18:48,150 --> 04:18:50,230
Hello, can you hear me?

2520
04:18:50,430 --> 04:18:51,170
We're going to hear you.

2521
04:18:51,590 --> 04:18:52,090
Okay, great.

2522
04:18:52,110 --> 04:18:53,890
Hey, Chris, a nice job on the presentation.

2523
04:18:55,250 --> 04:18:55,490
Thanks a lot.

2524
04:18:55,510 --> 04:18:56,030
Thank you.

2525
04:18:57,050 --> 04:19:00,590
So bear with me, fellas and girls and ladies.

2526
04:19:01,130 --> 04:19:02,930
I'm on my second glass of wine.

2527
04:19:04,090 --> 04:19:08,270
And I just received a notice today.

2528
04:19:08,270 --> 04:19:12,850
from AARP that I qualify for membership.

2529
04:19:13,730 --> 04:19:15,930
So I'm not in a really good mood right now,

2530
04:19:17,570 --> 04:19:22,050
but with respect to this wall, it's really not going to be a wall.

2531
04:19:22,910 --> 04:19:28,710
We decided to change the profile to a fence instead.

2532
04:19:29,370 --> 04:19:34,170
And the reason for that is just basically to get the idea

2533
04:19:34,170 --> 04:19:59,670
That's going to be a wall for now on and simply put a fence and place the wall since it seems like everyone seems to have a problem with a wall to block the sound, but before I get into the design of the fence and the changes we're going to propose to this committee, I want to let everyone know how bad the sound is on my property, this property.

2534
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:19,800
Is one of if not the closest property to this four-lane superhighway. And what that said, the sound is constant. It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week of nothing but road noise.

2535
04:20:19,800 --> 04:20:27,900
And unless you've been there seven days a week, 24 hours a day, you don't know really what I'm experiencing,

2536
04:20:30,080 --> 04:20:38,420
it's more an issue at night because you have absolutely no place to go with peace and quiet.

2537
04:20:38,420 --> 04:20:59,860
So, a sound wall is absolutely essential, but with that said, a fence from what our acoustical engineer has told us will provide the same down mitigation effect that a wall would provide.

2538
04:21:00,360 --> 04:21:00,840
So,

2539
04:21:03,040 --> 04:21:04,660
one of the things that

2540
04:21:07,440 --> 04:21:27,900
I sent to Christ that was a change into the plan was in an effort to make the wall not so tall in front of Perisma Road would be to put in a three foot berm, which is a maximum earth and berm we can put in three feet and that would limit the wall to just over eight feet.

2541
04:21:27,900 --> 04:21:34,910
I take that back to fence, because now we're proposing a redwood fence, as opposed to a sound wall.

2542
04:21:37,760 --> 04:21:46,800
It'll be redwood or cedar or a darker colored fence, so there's no reflectivity on the fence.

2543
04:21:48,700 --> 04:21:56,880
As far as the back is concerned, the height of the wall will vary from eight feet to five feet.

2544
04:21:56,880 --> 04:22:07,840
Why? Because there's an existing berm already on the property. And the reason I'm asking for a variance on the setback is because of berm is on the setback.

2545
04:22:09,260 --> 04:22:13,100
And we're looking at about a five foot variance setback.

2546
04:22:14,040 --> 04:22:19,280
So, from my Coastal Engineers' comments, you said the best sound

2547
04:22:19,280 --> 04:22:21,980
mitigator is indeed an earthen berm.

2548
04:22:22,400 --> 04:22:26,440
So, I want to utilize the existing earthen berm and build a

2549
04:22:26,440 --> 04:22:30,560
five to eight foot fence on top of that that

2550
04:22:30,560 --> 04:22:33,900
will hide the freeway and mitigate the sound.

2551
04:22:35,180 --> 04:22:38,680
So, if you look at the site plan,

2552
04:22:40,240 --> 04:22:48,040
the additional three foot berm will start at the eight foot mark in the middle of that

2553
04:22:48,040 --> 04:22:55,160
south-west wall and it will extend to the corner of the nanny house and then

2554
04:22:55,160 --> 04:22:59,540
another three foot berm will go from there to the corner of the nanny house so

2555
04:22:59,540 --> 04:23:06,820
there'll be a three foot berm engineered and on top of that we'll put an eight foot

2556
04:23:09,980 --> 04:23:10,460
So

2557
04:23:12,670 --> 04:23:19,250
with that said, I want to hand it over to my architect and my acoustical engineer Ryan.

2558
04:23:28,010 --> 04:23:28,950
Go ahead, Rick.

2559
04:23:29,990 --> 04:23:31,130
Hello, can you guys hear me?

2560
04:23:31,870 --> 04:23:32,350
Yes.

2561
04:23:33,230 --> 04:23:33,550
Okay.

2562
04:23:33,990 --> 04:23:38,570
So how am I able to present and leave at at least show some images here?

2563
04:23:38,790 --> 04:23:45,130
And Ryan, I think you need to get in here too, because you can speak to the images that I have here.

2564
04:23:47,690 --> 04:23:50,590
You should be able to share your screen

2565
04:23:58,040 --> 04:24:00,000
there playing out of there.

2566
04:24:15,440 --> 04:24:16,600
Let me see if I can share screen.

2567
04:24:16,780 --> 04:24:18,940
I'm going to show some images right now. You near.

2568
04:24:19,260 --> 04:24:23,700
Just some here. Okay, so I'm the architect on the project.

2569
04:24:25,340 --> 04:24:25,900
See can you.

2570
04:24:26,100 --> 04:24:27,420
And you guys see that.

2571
04:24:27,600 --> 04:24:27,840
Yes.

2572
04:24:28,600 --> 04:24:28,920
Okay.

2573
04:24:29,740 --> 04:24:30,820
So let me go

2574
04:24:33,770 --> 04:24:35,350
to the images here.

2575
04:24:36,090 --> 04:24:37,870
So let me see which one is best.

2576
04:24:40,190 --> 04:24:45,630
So here's, okay, so here we go here, so I have an overhand view, and I have this one here

2577
04:24:45,630 --> 04:24:49,270
Ryan, so I'm going to just flip through and you tell me which ones are the best ones for you here.

2578
04:24:51,130 --> 04:24:52,110
I'm going to have

2579
04:24:56,910 --> 04:24:59,590
the whole house, so there's a good image there.

2580
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:06,220
of the existing wall that's there. We, we almost want to match this height here correct, Joe.

2581
04:25:07,380 --> 04:25:13,220
Because this is already a feet here. So we want to take this down to the corner.

2582
04:25:14,180 --> 04:25:25,220
Rick, the, Rick, the proposed wall will go in the middle of that shower wall behind it, four feet above that.

2583
04:25:25,960 --> 04:25:32,320
So there's an earthen burn, four feet, and there's a burn here, so this is the burn that's already there.

2584
04:25:32,520 --> 04:25:38,300
So this is the four foot burn this there. So we just want to continue that wall here pretty much mass this height almost.

2585
04:25:38,480 --> 04:25:40,480
Well, it'll be four feet above that, Rick.

2586
04:25:40,660 --> 04:25:41,800
It'll be the bottom right here.

2587
04:25:42,000 --> 04:25:42,200
Right.

2588
04:25:42,300 --> 04:25:42,740
Exactly.

2589
04:25:43,340 --> 04:25:48,120
So to continue, I won't go higher than the roof line, and they'll continue on to the corner.

2590
04:25:48,840 --> 04:25:54,060
Yeah, and I think those juniper trees are good reference for the scale of height that we're talking about.

2591
04:25:54,060 --> 04:25:56,400
Yeah, let me find this overhead a few here.

2592
04:26:00,130 --> 04:26:00,670
So there we go.

2593
04:26:00,790 --> 04:26:02,170
So there's the existing wall.

2594
04:26:02,490 --> 04:26:05,310
So basically we want to follow these trees here.

2595
04:26:05,450 --> 04:26:08,910
We can move them, replace them in the front or in the back.

2596
04:26:09,190 --> 04:26:10,710
Take this corner here.

2597
04:26:11,030 --> 04:26:14,330
Turn along the nanny's house about here and then stop.

2598
04:26:14,910 --> 04:26:19,450
And we want to take some more junipers or whatever trees we need to plan here.

2599
04:26:19,650 --> 04:26:22,530
And just aggressively screen the wall.

2600
04:26:23,590 --> 04:26:24,230
Here in this case.

2601
04:26:24,230 --> 04:26:29,910
Now, we already have this wall here, so if you're talking about wall exposure, that one's right there anyway.

2602
04:26:30,490 --> 04:26:40,230
I think over time, this property is landscape well enough that it will grow in quite nicely and camouflage a lot of this stuff on the property here.

2603
04:26:41,530 --> 04:26:44,430
And then the remainder of the wall will continue on.

2604
04:26:44,430 --> 04:26:47,630
You won't even see it with all this these trees here.

2605
04:26:49,000 --> 04:26:52,680
And go ahead, Ryan, you can talk to the acoustical points of this.

2606
04:26:52,820 --> 04:26:56,160
And I think again, briefly, we want to use a ship lap

2607
04:26:56,160 --> 04:26:58,140
with what we're experiencing here.

2608
04:26:58,240 --> 04:27:00,440
And I think we can achieve our goal with that.

2609
04:27:00,440 --> 04:27:02,300
I think we just need to re-arm a height.

2610
04:27:02,540 --> 04:27:04,320
So go ahead, Ryan.

2611
04:27:05,200 --> 04:27:05,760
Sure, thank you.

2612
04:27:06,040 --> 04:27:07,800
Thanks all for staying up to late.

2613
04:27:08,440 --> 04:27:10,020
First of all, if anyone has any questions,

2614
04:27:10,220 --> 04:27:11,940
I'm here to answer that that's kind of my role

2615
04:27:11,940 --> 04:27:14,480
as to explain physics and how sound propagates

2616
04:27:14,480 --> 04:27:16,260
and how we can use that to our advantage

2617
04:27:16,260 --> 04:27:18,040
to get to the environment that we want.

2618
04:27:18,040 --> 04:27:27,820
Just to be clear, if you haven't been to the site, the sound levels are about 67 decibels, which is louder than conversation level.

2619
04:27:28,140 --> 04:27:37,080
So what that means is that if you're outside in the yard and you want to have a conversation with the person standing next to you, what that means is you need to raise your voice in order for that to happen.

2620
04:27:38,020 --> 04:27:46,720
So instead of sitting outside or relaxing and having a conversation with your friend, you can still have a conversation, but you need to raise your voice and spend more effort to do that.

2621
04:27:46,720 --> 04:28:16,700
So you wouldn't want to be talking on the phone unless you have to, you know, again, raise your voice, and what we're talking about is reducing it to the level where you don't quite have to do that. So it kind of goes from this uncomfortable situation to something more manageable. That's, that's the difference that we're talking about and just to touch on the, the caltrance that I can, you know, I can digress on this more if, if you want, but the caltrance standard is, is right around 67 decibels. I believe it's actually 67 decibels for a resident.

2622
04:28:17,300 --> 04:28:22,660
And, you know, captions may have dictated that you don't want soundwalls for visual reasons,

2623
04:28:23,640 --> 04:28:28,920
but the noise exposure is still there. And the noise exposure is simply not going to go away

2624
04:28:28,920 --> 04:28:35,240
until something physical is placed in between the vehicles on the inner state and the yard.

2625
04:28:36,140 --> 04:28:42,460
So as Chris said, mentioned the height of this physical placement is the critical part.

2626
04:28:42,460 --> 04:28:44,040
it really needs to be a certain height

2627
04:28:44,040 --> 04:28:45,760
for it to be effective at all.

2628
04:28:46,180 --> 04:28:48,360
There's no real partial benefits.

2629
04:28:48,860 --> 04:28:49,840
It's kind of an all or nothing.

2630
04:28:51,460 --> 04:28:55,260
So again, the critical factor is what elevation

2631
04:28:55,260 --> 04:28:59,340
do we need to reach in order to first of all do anything at all

2632
04:28:59,340 --> 04:29:02,740
and also bring it from this kind of uncomfortable level down

2633
04:29:02,740 --> 04:29:05,340
to something where you really want to spend time outside.

2634
04:29:05,900 --> 04:29:07,240
That's what we're up against.

2635
04:29:08,080 --> 04:29:10,200
Yeah, I think when I, when I, you know,

2636
04:29:10,200 --> 04:29:14,940
people have made comments about the positioning of the home and what not when I designed

2637
04:29:14,940 --> 04:29:20,920
this home, you know, the sound exposure is on the site period, you know, where no matter

2638
04:29:20,920 --> 04:29:24,160
where I would have placed this home, the sound exposure is there.

2639
04:29:25,220 --> 04:29:30,760
So, you know, I felt that this was the best place for the home and we really didn't know

2640
04:29:30,760 --> 04:29:38,480
what the real impact was going to be, you know, until this house was built and there were

2641
04:29:38,480 --> 04:29:43,520
a bunch of burns on site that may have mitigated the sound actually when we purchased this

2642
04:29:43,520 --> 04:29:48,560
space. But once everything was cleared out, you know, we were in construction. So we really

2643
04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:53,520
didn't know until things were built. So in the front of the house, you know, I placed a water

2644
04:29:53,520 --> 04:29:59,060
feature in the front of the home to mitigate the sound, but it's quite quiet there. You know, and then

2645
04:29:59,060 --> 04:30:00,000
I put water.

2646
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:18,920
Features in the back to get to try to mitigate the sound, because I knew what I was up against. You know, the water, the water feature wasn't in the original design. I placed it here, but it's just becoming, you know, quite unbearable at this point, you know, so we just want to work together with you guys and come up with a solution.

2647
04:30:26,020 --> 04:30:29,440
Okay, anybody have questions for them?

2648
04:30:35,740 --> 04:30:37,900
Yes, I have a question. Can you hear me?

2649
04:30:37,900 --> 04:30:38,520
Yes, yes.

2650
04:30:40,480 --> 04:30:43,000
I have been to the side a couple of times

2651
04:30:43,000 --> 04:30:49,560
and I'll save my discussion for later in the agenda,

2652
04:30:51,160 --> 04:30:54,940
but I have a question for the sound engineer.

2653
04:30:57,620 --> 04:31:02,400
I understand the wave propagation of the sound coming

2654
04:31:02,400 --> 04:31:15,880
from the freeway to the people standing indoors and outdoors there, I noticed a picture that

2655
04:31:15,880 --> 04:31:27,360
Christopher provided showing that the height was related to the source of the sound, not only

2656
04:31:27,360 --> 04:31:41,160
being the wheels on the pavement but also being the top of the stack of the exhaust on

2657
04:31:41,160 --> 04:31:54,720
the truck and my examination of that seemed like the truck case, the top of the stack

2658
04:31:54,720 --> 04:32:04,340
case was three sigma out, I mean, that was a lower occurring event and that the real dominant

2659
04:32:04,340 --> 04:32:12,140
noise came from the wheels on the pavement. I'm wondering if you feel that there's any validity

2660
04:32:12,140 --> 04:32:21,360
of what I'm describing and if that would translate to any difference in the minimum required

2661
04:32:21,360 --> 04:32:26,920
to zero out that line of sight situation that you're describing.

2662
04:32:27,980 --> 04:32:32,680
Sure, and I think we can also draw on your own experience from being at the site.

2663
04:32:33,100 --> 04:32:38,320
When you're there, you have the higher pitch frequency sound of the tires on the roadway.

2664
04:32:38,860 --> 04:32:41,660
It's kind of a high pitch city drone.

2665
04:32:42,480 --> 04:32:45,680
And then when a vehicle comes by, you hear engine noise.

2666
04:32:46,140 --> 04:32:49,740
So, you know, some things like loud motorcycles or semi-attractor trailers.

2667
04:32:49,740 --> 04:32:54,020
And in that case, you might hear the engine sounds.

2668
04:32:54,820 --> 04:32:57,500
So just from what you hear and what you experience on site,

2669
04:32:57,540 --> 04:32:59,220
I think can answer your own question.

2670
04:32:59,960 --> 04:33:01,260
When a semi-truck comes by,

2671
04:33:01,320 --> 04:33:03,240
as you hear an engine sound, that engine sound,

2672
04:33:03,240 --> 04:33:05,080
if you hear it is coming from the exhaust.

2673
04:33:06,140 --> 04:33:09,300
So the unfortunate case with trucks like this,

2674
04:33:09,300 --> 04:33:11,700
the exhaust stack is at the top of the vehicle,

2675
04:33:12,340 --> 04:33:15,280
and that is the actual sound source of the engine sound.

2676
04:33:15,280 --> 04:33:23,360
Is the consequence of what you're saying that really the idea is the taller the better?

2677
04:33:24,340 --> 04:33:30,280
Yes, and and also that there is a minimum there is a minimum elevation that will do something.

2678
04:33:31,360 --> 04:33:32,120
And it's a minimum.

2679
04:33:33,980 --> 04:33:34,060
Yeah.

2680
04:33:35,360 --> 04:33:37,560
But what would that be?

2681
04:33:37,880 --> 04:33:39,700
It varies based on the location.

2682
04:33:39,700 --> 04:33:54,900
It's not a constant height as the elevation, just the topography of the site changes, as you go farther north along interstate 280, that elevation gradually increases, so that it's not a simple answer, it varies throughout the site.

2683
04:33:55,060 --> 04:34:08,000
So in some cases, it's around 12 feet or so, from the elevation at the site and around towards the south eastern side it decreases as the elevation of 280 going south also decreases.

2684
04:34:08,000 --> 04:34:30,680
And do you feel that there's any difference in the sound mitigation that you will achieve with the redwood chip lap version of the fence versus the more manufactured sound wall concept?

2685
04:34:30,680 --> 04:34:45,140
In this case, no, the trick is to get something solid, whether it's landscaping or a fence that does not have any gaps or, you know, openings that you can see daylight through, such as a ship lap style fence.

2686
04:34:46,500 --> 04:34:56,400
The material, you know, Catherine's uses concrete that's really overkill. You can do the same thing in this case with something like a regular style of fence that does not have any gaps or openings.

2687
04:34:56,400 --> 04:34:59,960
Does the fence require a dump?

2688
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:19,240
A two-sided fence, I've done a sound roll before, and I used staggered studs and two walls to decouple the sound from transmitting from the outside to the inside wall. Are you recommending anything like that?

2689
04:35:19,240 --> 04:35:21,540
how could you minimize the sound?

2690
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:24,240
No, the level of gains that we're talking about

2691
04:35:24,960 --> 04:35:27,700
are about seven decibels or so.

2692
04:35:28,200 --> 04:35:32,800
If you're building a massive fence or wall sound barrier

2693
04:35:32,800 --> 04:35:36,940
and there's 20 feet tall, the losses through that

2694
04:35:36,940 --> 04:35:39,220
would have to be as much,

2695
04:35:39,220 --> 04:35:41,700
if not more than the sound going over it.

2696
04:35:42,700 --> 04:35:44,760
In this case, the losses that we're getting

2697
04:35:44,760 --> 04:35:47,320
are not, you know, we're not getting a 20 decibel loss,

2698
04:35:47,420 --> 04:35:48,140
we're not getting that.

2699
04:35:48,140 --> 04:35:50,920
So because we only really need to break the line of sight,

2700
04:35:51,220 --> 04:35:54,800
the increase the man's of the sound traveling through the fence

2701
04:35:54,800 --> 04:35:56,060
are not as great.

2702
04:35:57,020 --> 04:36:04,040
And what is your view of how much trees and foliage impact

2703
04:36:05,920 --> 04:36:07,880
sound blocking sound?

2704
04:36:08,180 --> 04:36:09,200
I think I know that.

2705
04:36:09,380 --> 04:36:09,620
Yeah.

2706
04:36:10,240 --> 04:36:15,080
In this case, it doesn't really help us to digress quickly

2707
04:36:15,080 --> 04:36:23,140
And in order for vegetation to really block sound, it needs to be extremely dense over a pretty thick distance.

2708
04:36:23,440 --> 04:36:29,540
So if we had dense jungle forest for 100 feet thick, that would be something that would block sound.

2709
04:36:29,840 --> 04:36:42,700
If we've got, you know, at some point the fences within 40 feet of the nearest lane of traffic, we don't have enough space there to have the vegetation dense enough or massive enough to really intercept the sound from passing through it.

2710
04:36:42,700 --> 04:36:59,120
You commented that there's about 40 feet from the what would that be like the truck tire to the person's ear laying well at the north or the north side of the site I see the image here.

2711
04:36:59,680 --> 04:36:59,740
Yes.

2712
04:37:00,300 --> 04:37:00,900
Okay.

2713
04:37:01,140 --> 04:37:01,740
Yeah.

2714
04:37:02,320 --> 04:37:05,840
So it doesn't show that the freeway surface.

2715
04:37:05,840 --> 04:37:11,680
I'm curious about a nest a bit of how far away is the tuck tie or from the person's ear,

2716
04:37:12,160 --> 04:37:15,480
laying in the 80s. Yeah, can I share my screen? Yeah,

2717
04:37:19,060 --> 04:37:21,740
should I stop sharing? So

2718
04:37:21,740 --> 04:37:27,440
okay. Let's see if, okay, share screen, here we go.

2719
04:37:30,520 --> 04:37:33,600
Okay, here we go. So right now this is

2720
04:37:33,600 --> 04:37:39,520
in the state 280. This is kind of the edge of the road here. At this point,

2721
04:37:39,520 --> 04:37:44,960
the part in the yard that we're talking about, it's about 100 feet. If we go over and move this

2722
04:37:44,960 --> 04:37:50,860
over to this north end of the site, if you can see where the fence is here, I mean, we're approximately

2723
04:37:50,860 --> 04:37:59,440
40 feet here, as you get closer to the first. Okay, I mean, the 80 year, that's the small, the

2724
04:37:59,440 --> 04:38:04,920
any unit, the corner of the many unit, about 40 feet to the free 40 feet.

2725
04:38:06,500 --> 04:38:10,240
For the freeway, it's about 90 feet there, a little less than 90 feet.

2726
04:38:10,580 --> 04:38:10,680
Okay.

2727
04:38:11,320 --> 04:38:11,520
All right.

2728
04:38:11,620 --> 04:38:12,080
Thank you.

2729
04:38:12,200 --> 04:38:12,700
I apologize.

2730
04:38:13,440 --> 04:38:17,480
This is a very intriguing subject for me and I have a lot of questions.

2731
04:38:17,920 --> 04:38:19,340
Thank you very much.

2732
04:38:20,840 --> 04:38:21,960
Anybody else?

2733
04:38:23,560 --> 04:38:23,760
Okay.

2734
04:38:25,300 --> 04:38:25,580
Yes.

2735
04:38:26,120 --> 04:38:26,680
Yes.

2736
04:38:26,680 --> 04:38:35,380
confused about the timing of everything according to the staff report, there was an acoustical survey

2737
04:38:35,380 --> 04:38:52,540
in 2015 and apparently you didn't go in for approval of a design until after that. So I wonder why

2738
04:38:52,540 --> 04:39:02,340
you didn't take into account the results of the acoustical survey that was done in 2015 in designing

2739
04:39:02,340 --> 04:39:10,120
the location, the orientation, and the materials in the house. Can you comment on that?

2740
04:39:10,720 --> 04:39:18,520
Well, I think at the time, we knew we were next to a freeway. So we got the report.

2741
04:39:18,520 --> 04:39:26,360
And I think some of the mitigating measures that they talked about was us using stock out, which we did.

2742
04:39:26,740 --> 04:39:32,040
Us using triple paying windows, which we did not do.

2743
04:39:33,200 --> 04:39:36,580
Parts rotating the property on the site.

2744
04:39:37,040 --> 04:39:46,420
I mean, again, where we placed the property was pretty much the best place we could place it other than down in the lower half,

2745
04:39:46,420 --> 04:39:48,920
which would actually bring us closer to the freeway.

2746
04:39:50,220 --> 04:39:53,800
So, I mean, then you're talking about budgetary measures too.

2747
04:39:53,980 --> 04:39:58,260
We thought that, you know, it wouldn't be so bad.

2748
04:39:58,520 --> 04:40:00,000
And we know that the elephant was...

2749
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:18,820
In the room there. But the design of the home, you know, with all the the doors and the windows that totally open the house up, it was, you know, it's just the design of the house as well. And we thought it wouldn't be so bad. But once we got in here, there we go.

2750
04:40:19,500 --> 04:40:34,840
And I'll just put time in here to, you know, wherever you go on the side, the noise exposure is what it is, you're not getting away from it. Again, until you put something physical between the interstate and the yard or the house, if you put the house closer to the interstate, you increase the architectural demands of the house.

2751
04:40:36,080 --> 04:40:42,880
So there's, you know, there can be tradeoffs, but you're never really solving the issue. The noise exposure is going to be there.

2752
04:40:42,880 --> 04:40:52,920
But my point is that you have an acoustic, acoustic survey in 2015 that said that the DB level

2753
04:40:52,920 --> 04:41:03,680
is around 67, and it still says that, and so I don't see why you seem to be surprised

2754
04:41:03,680 --> 04:41:08,840
that the noise level is inside there as it actually is.

2755
04:41:08,840 --> 04:41:12,800
So that's a little bit of confusion to me.

2756
04:41:13,260 --> 04:41:34,820
The other thing is that the supplement number one to the package that got distributed has a lot of comments from environmental design and protection committee about things that could have been done in the design of the house that were not done.

2757
04:41:34,820 --> 04:41:51,020
So, I try and those a little bit revealing this well, I mean, I understand that that's like revision of statements to me at this point. I mean, the house is here. The impact is there. At this point, we're trying to mitigate it. We can't we can't go back.

2758
04:41:51,640 --> 04:41:58,280
And the solution to mitigating the sound back then would be the same as mitigating the sound now.

2759
04:41:59,440 --> 04:42:05,340
So there's no difference in design of the house or adding a fence.

2760
04:42:06,780 --> 04:42:10,960
So it's either we could have done it back then or we're doing it now.

2761
04:42:11,740 --> 04:42:16,560
If we budget was there we could have just built this wall and then in front of you guys and asking

2762
04:42:16,560 --> 04:42:20,030
we do it then. So, and then we wouldn't be here now.

2763
04:42:22,040 --> 04:42:28,600
Were there any conditions for approval for construction in 2016,

2764
04:42:30,680 --> 04:42:31,770
relating to sound?

2765
04:42:34,740 --> 04:42:38,200
No, not that I can recall. Thank you.

2766
04:42:42,340 --> 04:42:51,740
I have a question of the 56-wall of feet, Salty Eastern Fence. What is the purpose of that

2767
04:42:51,740 --> 04:42:56,700
Is it the Nanny Unix wall effective sound barrier?

2768
04:42:57,300 --> 04:42:59,340
Why do you need yet another effects?

2769
04:43:00,860 --> 04:43:04,300
Because the view from the master bedroom

2770
04:43:05,020 --> 04:43:10,080
on the other side of the pool has a view of the freeway.

2771
04:43:10,760 --> 04:43:15,160
And it will not only provide sound mitigation to the backyard,

2772
04:43:15,240 --> 04:43:17,900
but additional sound mitigation to the Nanny House.

2773
04:43:17,900 --> 04:43:26,760
Keep in mind that Nanny House bedroom is roughly 70 to 90 feet from the freeway, a four-lane freeway.

2774
04:43:27,180 --> 04:43:31,860
So that initial wall is going to add additional sound protection to the residents in that unit.

2775
04:43:32,940 --> 04:43:39,480
But more important, it also is going to block sound that's going to transfer into the backyard.

2776
04:43:39,480 --> 04:43:47,660
Because you can see the gap between the freeway and where the corner that an any house is,

2777
04:43:47,840 --> 04:43:52,480
the wall would block that view thus mitigating the sound as well.

2778
04:43:54,140 --> 04:43:58,200
That is like almost as cupping effect is keeping the sound out the rear of the yard.

2779
04:43:58,740 --> 04:44:03,320
And keep in mind that interstate 280 goes on south infinity.

2780
04:44:04,460 --> 04:44:13,140
So, that sound source is there as you look out, going south. It doesn't go away. So, at some point,

2781
04:44:13,760 --> 04:44:18,200
you want that wall to either continue parallel to the interstate or turn towards Parisma.

2782
04:44:19,840 --> 04:44:25,640
And, you know, it's all a matter of how long you want that to be. If you want to continue out to infinity out to the corner of Parisma in Robita,

2783
04:44:25,640 --> 04:44:29,080
or if you want to turn that and kind of enclose the art a little bit more.

2784
04:44:37,780 --> 04:44:40,140
Anybody have any other questions?

2785
04:44:40,680 --> 04:44:42,060
Okay, do you get it?

2786
04:44:42,500 --> 04:44:45,520
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm confused.

2787
04:44:45,880 --> 04:44:49,420
You know, I feel like we had one game plan here

2788
04:44:49,420 --> 04:44:52,320
being presented to us, and now everything

2789
04:44:52,320 --> 04:44:56,180
is turned top C-turvy, and there's a different game plan.

2790
04:44:57,360 --> 04:44:59,940
Let me start with trying to figure out what it is.

2791
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:06,060
We're talking about now that we're talking about a eight-foot fence, not a 12-foot sound wall.

2792
04:45:08,440 --> 04:45:15,240
The existing, let's start at the very north east corner where it says five feet and red down there

2793
04:45:15,240 --> 04:45:25,440
and goes to 140 feet to the right to the eight-foot mark. There, right there is a four-foot burn existing with lots of

2794
04:45:25,440 --> 04:45:32,560
vegetation, which could use the irrigation because it's, you know, dry, but it's still there and existing.

2795
04:45:33,900 --> 04:45:33,900
So,

2796
04:45:36,200 --> 04:45:41,820
and I think the four foot burn ends around where that eight foot mark is.

2797
04:45:43,080 --> 04:45:49,080
And now now they're talking by adding a falling that red lines of, okay, so you got the four foot

2798
04:45:49,080 --> 04:45:57,060
going that 140 feet and on a put an 8 foot fence on top of that or you'll leave the vegetation there

2799
04:45:57,060 --> 04:46:02,400
because you can't have both either vegetation or an 8 foot fence. Well we're going to have to move the

2800
04:46:02,400 --> 04:46:14,680
vegetation to put the fence post in like this like Ryan said that vegetation does little to mitigate

2801
04:46:14,680 --> 04:46:25,520
down. The fence will, so the whole purpose of this variance on top of the berm is so that I can

2802
04:46:25,520 --> 04:46:31,840
utilize the effect of the earth and berm for sound mitigation by placing a fence on top of that

2803
04:46:31,840 --> 04:46:39,940
earth and berm. And from the point where that eight foot mark is, I plan, we will add an additional

2804
04:46:39,940 --> 04:46:47,840
three feet of earth and berm on that in an effort to minimize the height of the fence.

2805
04:46:49,460 --> 04:46:54,500
From the eight foot to the 12th of the mark, that part of that little number line there,

2806
04:46:54,580 --> 04:46:58,640
are you going from a four foot berm then to a seven foot berm, is that correct?

2807
04:46:59,140 --> 04:47:06,120
Well, we can't add a berm on top of a berm. So we're going to add a three foot berm on the existing

2808
04:47:06,120 --> 04:47:13,260
grade from that eighth of mark to the 12th of mark and then from the 12th of mark you're adding

2809
04:47:13,260 --> 04:47:20,800
yet another three-foot berm up of the already existing like eight-foot berm elevation that's already

2810
04:47:20,800 --> 04:47:26,700
going on. That's all a grade. So that'll be another berm. We already discussed this with the

2811
04:47:26,700 --> 04:47:34,280
civil engineer and he said we can stick another three-foot berm on top of that. But that parallel line

2812
04:47:34,280 --> 04:47:45,380
the southeast fence will have a three-foot berm that's what we're proposing in an effort to mitigate the height of the fence.

2813
04:47:45,880 --> 04:47:52,920
So the fence will only be about eight and a half feet as opposed to 12, which is what the original does.

2814
04:47:53,100 --> 04:48:02,740
I'm just trying to help out you guys in an effort to solve my sound issue and to deal with the concerns of the environmental committee.

2815
04:48:03,280 --> 04:48:13,080
So, and I think in the beginning, we talked about the wall, and we thought you guys might have just had heartburn with the wall and how that thing looked.

2816
04:48:13,320 --> 04:48:21,340
So, we just changed it to where it would fence, to have some different materials on site.

2817
04:48:21,720 --> 04:48:30,960
I'm just trying to get a lay of the land of what we're talking about now, because it's like everything has changed and it's now, it has changed.

2818
04:48:30,960 --> 04:48:48,160
So from the very left side of this number line on the call it where it says five, is that that's a fourth of firms starting off there and you're proposing now a red was ship lap sense of eight feet from that particular point going all the way the whole length.

2819
04:48:48,480 --> 04:48:55,820
But the burn is changed from four feet and then drops down to three feet berm and they continue to another three feet berm on that other little angle.

2820
04:48:56,340 --> 04:48:58,300
Is that the way to interpret that?

2821
04:48:58,300 --> 04:49:03,560
Right. So the five foot mark on the side plan. That's a height of the fence.

2822
04:49:04,700 --> 04:49:08,520
Okay, so the fence will go from five feet to eight feet as we go south.

2823
04:49:09,520 --> 04:49:09,540
Okay.

2824
04:49:10,160 --> 04:49:13,560
And that'll be a level, a level line all the way across.

2825
04:49:13,740 --> 04:49:17,580
That eight foot mark on top of that four foot berm will stay level,

2826
04:49:17,940 --> 04:49:23,060
which will be about even with the top of the, the, the nanny house, the guests.

2827
04:49:23,800 --> 04:49:25,080
All the way across to the corner.

2828
04:49:25,900 --> 04:49:34,780
And it will sit on top of a three-foot burn and then we'll make the jog to the north.

2829
04:49:35,580 --> 04:49:40,320
Okay, so from the A foot mark there in the middle of that number line,

2830
04:49:40,820 --> 04:49:44,240
where you start transitioning to a three-foot burn, you're going to take insistent

2831
04:49:44,240 --> 04:49:47,860
eight-foot fence until you hit the corner where you make the turn,

2832
04:49:48,460 --> 04:49:51,960
and then from the corner that you make the turn along the nanny thing you're going to go

2833
04:49:51,960 --> 04:49:54,720
Three foot firm with an eight foot fence.

2834
04:49:55,060 --> 04:49:55,600
That's correct.

2835
04:49:56,840 --> 04:49:57,700
That's correct.

2836
04:49:58,460 --> 04:49:59,940
I just wish you would have.

2837
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:25,200
This, so I don't have to sit here and note tape everything on this plan, because yeah, I feel like this is kind of like, well, I did send Krista a revised plan three or four days ago. You just probably didn't it was, I know we've changed this the number of times, but every time I turn around. There's another issue with this.

2838
04:50:25,200 --> 04:50:27,420
Even as the whole presentation here,

2839
04:50:27,660 --> 04:50:30,880
we're still missing attachments three and four,

2840
04:50:31,280 --> 04:50:34,000
which were unlikely had already a question for those reports.

2841
04:50:34,260 --> 04:50:35,740
They're missing from the package.

2842
04:50:37,300 --> 04:50:39,700
There's been a lot of things missing from this package.

2843
04:50:40,000 --> 04:50:43,360
So that's a little bit kind of boggled by,

2844
04:50:44,440 --> 04:50:45,940
yeah, the confusion here.

2845
04:50:47,920 --> 04:50:51,180
That's our rule that it is confusing just with the topography,

2846
04:50:51,880 --> 04:50:54,120
the elevation of the top of the fence

2847
04:50:54,120 --> 04:50:58,460
needs to remain constant, but the ground is dropping away, so everything, everything you're

2848
04:50:58,460 --> 04:50:59,440
just with that.

2849
04:50:59,660 --> 04:50:59,940
Right.

2850
04:50:59,940 --> 04:51:00,980
You want to get there.

2851
04:51:01,000 --> 04:51:07,700
Any way that we could do a continuous on this, because I think there's not enough information

2852
04:51:07,700 --> 04:51:15,740
for me to make a decision, and there's not clearly defined sort of plans that have been issued.

2853
04:51:15,740 --> 04:51:29,580
And I would like just to table this and take it up at a later time and they've got their plans together that show everything that they're doing.

2854
04:51:29,900 --> 04:51:35,420
I mean, it's getting on towards 11 p.m. and we've got another item to cover.

2855
04:51:36,000 --> 04:51:42,040
So is there any way that we could just simply table this and postpone it?

2856
04:51:42,040 --> 04:51:50,240
Let's do one thing. Let's see if there are any public comments and then we can close the hearing

2857
04:51:51,620 --> 04:51:58,900
and then agree or figure out what the commission wants to do.

2858
04:52:00,080 --> 04:52:05,120
Yeah, I would, if there are any members of the public, they've waited a long time. We should

2859
04:52:10,140 --> 04:52:15,720
So, at this point, Cody, can you see if there's any members of the public who would like to speak?

2860
04:52:27,040 --> 04:52:29,160
This is VJ, can you hear me?

2861
04:52:30,120 --> 04:52:30,640
Yes, VJ.

2862
04:52:30,640 --> 04:52:38,560
And so, this is DJ and I went a member of the Environmental Design Protection Committee.

2863
04:52:39,440 --> 04:52:46,120
I've met Joe and have also spoken to Brian on the phone regarding this project.

2864
04:52:46,360 --> 04:52:53,600
My understanding from speaking to Brian at the Sound Mall, fence and earthen bird.

2865
04:52:53,800 --> 04:52:58,440
They all yield the same sound mitigation results.

2866
04:53:00,640 --> 04:53:12,040
The second thing is, I understood from Ryan that the height should be closer to 14 to 15 feet to break the line of sight and I would like to get back clarified.

2867
04:53:14,900 --> 04:53:28,180
And I'd also like to, actually it's a move point if this is not a sound wall because the general plan, the wording is that sound walls are prohibited on private property.

2868
04:53:28,180 --> 04:53:32,620
But that would be a more delicious list on the changes.

2869
04:53:34,200 --> 04:53:34,860
Thank you.

2870
04:53:50,030 --> 04:53:50,750
You did.

2871
04:53:53,380 --> 04:53:57,680
I'm talking I am on the environment of design and protecting committee.

2872
04:53:58,340 --> 04:54:06,860
But I was also a member of the 2000 to seven to 2008 general plan revision.

2873
04:54:07,440 --> 04:54:12,480
And I would like to state that in a one of the documents,

2874
04:54:12,480 --> 04:54:18,480
It was said that they thought the committee really meant just to discourage sound walls.

2875
04:54:18,880 --> 04:54:21,100
We meant to prohibit sound laws.

2876
04:54:22,760 --> 04:54:25,940
But highway 280, which, um,

2877
04:54:26,660 --> 04:54:29,500
Yitzi said was a senior highway.

2878
04:54:30,840 --> 04:54:37,720
And to maintain the senior highway, we prohibited sound balls along to 80.

2879
04:54:37,720 --> 04:54:45,200
Now, going back to 1995, there was a land,

2880
04:54:47,220 --> 04:54:50,260
the Hong, that lived two doors up the way,

2881
04:54:51,260 --> 04:54:52,200
built a house.

2882
04:54:52,540 --> 04:54:58,100
And when they built the house, conditions of their approval was the noise level outside

2883
04:54:58,100 --> 04:54:59,800
had to meet a certain amount.

2884
04:55:01,140 --> 04:55:26,940
When they built the house, there was a, we told them that they weren't building it to take into consideration the sound of the freeway at the time. After they built the house and downed out that the sound of the freeway was more than they liked, they came in for a soundball, and it was denied.

2885
04:55:26,940 --> 04:55:35,480
we have denied and have not had any sound balls built, I think, along to 80, and this would

2886
04:55:35,480 --> 04:55:42,580
anything like this would open it all up. And the fence that is being proposed is going to

2887
04:55:42,580 --> 04:55:51,220
throw the sound over their property into somebody else's property. So I don't think they're

2888
04:55:51,220 --> 04:55:59,120
getting anything, what we were told with the other proposed soundball that the reason

2889
04:55:59,120 --> 04:56:05,040
it went through it over is because there were wires in that that absorbed the sound

2890
04:56:05,040 --> 04:56:07,120
that threw it back to the pre-way.

2891
04:56:07,960 --> 04:56:14,720
So one of the things was there was a second sense along the driveway that we asked to have

2892
04:56:14,720 --> 04:56:20,560
removed in landscape screening because it was going to throw the sound from the property

2893
04:56:20,560 --> 04:56:30,390
over to their neighbors. So I think having this profound and better understanding of what they are now

2894
04:56:31,660 --> 04:56:34,080
proposing is a very good idea.

2895
04:56:36,700 --> 04:56:43,260
I have a question for you, Carol. Do your objections stand

2896
04:56:43,260 --> 04:56:47,860
If they make a sense, it's a sound welcome.

2897
04:56:48,180 --> 04:56:59,220
Well, for instance, yes, it's a scenic from both that we suggested in the beginning when we went into landscaping to the manager.

2898
04:56:59,460 --> 04:57:07,400
We said plant, rose of redwood trees all along your border, and she got a sound problem.

2899
04:57:08,580 --> 04:57:16,940
Bermak and Plant Rover trees. They didn't listen to us at all. And six roads of

2900
04:57:16,940 --> 04:57:27,380
regular trees, pan-medigate sounds. And I feel that we don't want to have 12 feet walls

2901
04:57:27,380 --> 04:57:33,780
along 280. And this is going to open, you know, it's a can of worms. It's going to open

2902
04:57:33,780 --> 04:57:41,100
it. And the general plan does prevent sound balls. And they're using the spents as a sound

2903
04:57:41,100 --> 04:57:41,800
wall.

2904
04:57:42,580 --> 04:57:50,180
Carol, you've read the general plan, I'm sure. And it does say something about sound walls

2905
04:57:50,180 --> 04:57:56,060
are prohibited on private property adjacent to interstate 280. Primarily, because they block

2906
04:57:56,060 --> 04:58:01,920
views of surrounding countryside and tend to bounce sound to other locations. But policy

2907
04:58:01,920 --> 04:58:07,260
2.4 says the construction of sound walls on private property adjacent to

2908
04:58:07,260 --> 04:58:12,540
industry too in the in the right of way shall we discourage. Do you find out?

2909
04:58:12,720 --> 04:58:18,480
Yes, yes, there is an end or there but if you go back into the 2006 team

2910
04:58:19,260 --> 04:58:26,920
scenic element, they are again talking about Brigida Hazel. Brigida, do you want to step in and

2911
04:58:26,920 --> 04:58:33,920
Yeah, I was going to do a presentation, but I was going to wait for the correct turn here.

2912
04:58:34,260 --> 04:58:34,900
I'm sorry.

2913
04:58:35,200 --> 04:58:39,420
I was really only asking Carol if she saw a hearing.

2914
04:58:40,020 --> 04:58:46,340
No, there is an and or, but when I was on the committee, we were discouraging.

2915
04:58:46,340 --> 04:58:53,260
We wanted no cell involved, and then the teenage element that was re-done circulation and

2916
04:58:53,260 --> 04:59:01,220
seeing elements that was done in 2015, which I don't have before me reads that there

2917
04:59:01,220 --> 04:59:06,340
should be no cell walls, I think, on top of on private properties.

2918
04:59:06,620 --> 04:59:11,840
And we discourage, we discourage health trends from building them also.

2919
04:59:11,840 --> 04:59:13,980
Thank you, Carol.

2920
04:59:18,470 --> 04:59:19,250
Rajivya Amir.

2921
04:59:20,510 --> 04:59:22,170
Any other members of public?

2922
04:59:29,270 --> 04:59:30,630
So at this point,

2923
04:59:32,650 --> 04:59:41,290
we generally have the applicant provide any comments they want based on what they heard from the public.

2924
04:59:41,950 --> 04:59:46,910
So let's give them a chance and then we can close the public hearing.

2925
04:59:47,670 --> 04:59:51,050
Yeah, I like to make a comment on a few of Carol's comments.

2926
04:59:52,230 --> 04:59:54,790
Some of her comments are not factual at all.

2927
04:59:55,290 --> 04:59:59,950
And I like Ryan to pipe pants and seize the acoustical engineer expert.

2928
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:15,680
On her comments regarding vegetation and a wooden fence bouncing sound off of a four lane federal highway, eight lanes across to impact the neighbors.

2929
05:00:15,980 --> 05:00:22,420
Ryan, could you speak up on this one, please? Yeah, absolutely. So I think I'm trying to speak to Carol. I think she raised about four points.

2930
05:00:22,420 --> 05:00:28,460
The first one was that the Xannuals are discouraged, again, it doesn't decrease the sound exposure.

2931
05:00:29,740 --> 05:00:36,710
And again, we're at the point where CalTrans could decide that a sound wall would be warranted based on the sound exposure of the site.

2932
05:00:37,980 --> 05:00:48,460
Secondly, speaking to the views, what we're proposing is literally blocking the line of site from vehicles on the interstate to the yard.

2933
05:00:48,460 --> 05:00:53,080
So, by definition, we're not blocking views beyond that.

2934
05:00:53,760 --> 05:00:57,780
So, as the interstate is clearly higher than the house and the yard,

2935
05:00:58,240 --> 05:01:03,340
we're only blocking the view from the interstate to the yard and not beyond that.

2936
05:01:03,860 --> 05:01:09,640
So, the view that is being obstructed is literally from cars on the freeway to the yard and back.

2937
05:01:10,180 --> 05:01:11,820
It's not, you know, on the horizon.

2938
05:01:12,320 --> 05:01:16,940
And again, if you're familiar with the area, there are numerous trees and vegetation.

2939
05:01:16,940 --> 05:01:19,240
And if you do a Google Street view along the freeway,

2940
05:01:19,660 --> 05:01:23,120
you can see that there's fairly dense trees,

2941
05:01:23,740 --> 05:01:26,340
blocking views, and through the street,

2942
05:01:26,500 --> 05:01:28,980
you can kind of poke and see the house poking through.

2943
05:01:29,720 --> 05:01:31,720
But then again, speaking to the vegetation point,

2944
05:01:32,260 --> 05:01:36,620
trees can provide sound attenuation through them,

2945
05:01:36,860 --> 05:01:38,820
but only if they are excessively dense

2946
05:01:38,820 --> 05:01:42,200
over a very long or thick length.

2947
05:01:42,500 --> 05:01:44,920
So if you have a dense jungle for something

2948
05:01:44,920 --> 05:01:47,980
like a hundred feet, that could prohibit sound

2949
05:01:47,980 --> 05:01:49,480
from passing through it.

2950
05:01:49,560 --> 05:01:51,680
It would diminish as it goes through that dense forest

2951
05:01:51,680 --> 05:01:52,680
over that distance.

2952
05:01:53,140 --> 05:01:59,080
If we only have 40, 50 feet of sparsely vegetated area

2953
05:01:59,080 --> 05:02:03,020
and through a valley with the topography that we have,

2954
05:02:03,380 --> 05:02:05,920
the vegetation does not do enough to really have

2955
05:02:05,920 --> 05:02:10,140
any effect on sound diminishing over distance

2956
05:02:10,140 --> 05:02:11,180
with the vegetation.

2957
05:02:11,720 --> 05:02:13,680
And I believe there's one more point about the reflections

2958
05:02:13,680 --> 05:02:17,520
just quickly with the topography of this site,

2959
05:02:17,980 --> 05:02:20,460
the freeway is above the house and the yard.

2960
05:02:20,880 --> 05:02:25,460
So if there was a fence along the edge of the yard,

2961
05:02:26,160 --> 05:02:29,940
the sound from the freeway would go down to the fence

2962
05:02:29,940 --> 05:02:35,260
and then continue to go down back into the hill of the interstate.

2963
05:02:36,060 --> 05:02:40,020
So in there are cases where sound can be reflected off of wall

2964
05:02:40,020 --> 05:02:42,580
but the topography is exactly opposite of the conditions

2965
05:02:42,580 --> 05:02:48,460
that we have here, not that it can't happen, but just in this scenario with its apography that exists.

2966
05:02:49,060 --> 05:02:54,900
If you were to put a soundometer on the other side of the freeway on the south side of south west side of 280,

2967
05:02:56,160 --> 05:03:06,640
and you do the plans as we propose that the elevation that we're proposing, there would be no change in sound level on the other side of the freeway before and after the construction.

2968
05:03:07,220 --> 05:03:11,340
So hopefully I've addressed all those points and again I'm available to answer more questions if you have more.

2969
05:03:13,380 --> 05:03:23,180
Thank you. Okay, so at this point, I'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the planning commission.

2970
05:03:24,360 --> 05:03:24,740
Brigida?

2971
05:03:26,260 --> 05:03:28,520
If I may, I'd like to do a little presentation.

2972
05:03:28,920 --> 05:03:31,160
I spend a lot of hours working on this issue.

2973
05:03:31,580 --> 05:03:37,160
This was actually a great way to get to know the general plan and our policies.

2974
05:03:37,160 --> 05:04:00,980
And first let's close the public hearing and then we can discuss anything okay. So first officially I would close the public hearing and bring it back to the economic commission. Now before we either I know that you've waited a long time to present.

2975
05:04:00,980 --> 05:04:13,340
I would like to consider what Ed brought up earlier that it is later this discussion could go on for a long time.

2976
05:04:13,580 --> 05:04:21,400
Do we want and do we have enough information to continue it now or should we take it up later?

2977
05:04:22,320 --> 05:04:25,260
What are the thoughts on that topic for?

2978
05:04:26,600 --> 05:04:34,560
can I chime in for that topic? The problem is I love to talk to all of you and if I can't

2979
05:04:34,560 --> 05:04:40,500
talk to you tonight, I can't talk to you until the next meeting. That's one issue I have,

2980
05:04:40,820 --> 05:04:45,960
but I promise to keep it short since things have changed. As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to

2981
05:04:45,960 --> 05:04:50,840
continue it just like Ed mentioned because I don't know what I'm working with anymore.

2982
05:04:52,060 --> 05:04:59,960
If I could chime in here, I would strongly recommend the Brigitte Derser thing, I'd be in the same position as there in the...

2983
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:13,260
We're dying to unload a lot of information, which could be serious against people's minds. And if we go away and we return a month from now,

2984
05:05:15,700 --> 05:05:21,840
that will be one more variable, which we can get rid of now. We're going to have enough variables.

2985
05:05:21,840 --> 05:05:33,340
I suspect we're going to continue this, and I'll come back with proper plans, which show the combination of burn and fence, rather than war.

2986
05:05:35,760 --> 05:05:38,880
But I want to reduce the number of moving parts.

2987
05:05:39,560 --> 05:05:48,220
Okay. So let's do, yeah, Jim, I see some value in letting the residents get on with things.

2988
05:05:48,220 --> 05:05:56,380
if we have enough information to make some decisions, and I agree that there's some confusion.

2989
05:05:57,520 --> 05:06:04,400
I've spent quite a bit of time trying to study what these new things are, and before we decide

2990
05:06:04,400 --> 05:06:17,940
to push it, I would like to have a brief opportunity to try to convey. I felt like there was some

2991
05:06:17,940 --> 05:06:28,020
that it's not as, it's a lot simpler I think to understand. So I'd like to just make one attempt

2992
05:06:28,020 --> 05:06:33,840
at describing it, confirm if that's okay, and then have the committee decide whether that's

2993
05:06:33,840 --> 05:06:35,960
enough information to go on or not.

2994
05:06:36,420 --> 05:06:44,100
Well, okay. I'll do a big eater. Yeah, so let's start with Big eater, and Brigida, try to make it as

2995
05:06:45,740 --> 05:06:52,380
I will try to work many hours on this, basically because it was a great chance for me to

2996
05:06:52,380 --> 05:06:57,180
understand the general plan and how stuff like this works, that I will try to keep it

2997
05:06:57,180 --> 05:06:57,360
brief.

2998
05:06:57,600 --> 05:07:00,420
If I'm going to share my screen, okay?

2999
05:07:14,280 --> 05:07:14,800
Okay.

3000
05:07:15,880 --> 05:07:18,820
Mainly, I look at the general plan that's being our constitution.

3001
05:07:19,080 --> 05:07:23,500
I feel like we think somewhat in question how all this works.

3002
05:07:23,680 --> 05:07:26,580
I feel like the general plan is our North Star.

3003
05:07:26,580 --> 05:07:31,900
it helps us preserve our nature and the beauty of the town. And everything is derived from that, the

3004
05:07:31,900 --> 05:07:38,120
elements that you see in the notebooks of the general plan, then the goals, policies, and programs.

3005
05:07:38,620 --> 05:07:43,800
Each layer is helping to define the next, but supporting the original general plan, it doesn't deviate,

3006
05:07:43,800 --> 05:07:49,880
it doesn't contradict. So this is important to when you see the next slide, that's what I mentioned this.

3007
05:07:51,160 --> 05:07:59,220
So, anyway, looking at our general plan on noise elements, and it's topic 723, it basically

3008
05:07:59,220 --> 05:08:02,880
states that sound walls on private property is clearly prohibited.

3009
05:08:03,960 --> 05:08:09,300
And what's interesting, it goes on to explain about sound walls within CalTrans right away

3010
05:08:09,300 --> 05:08:09,820
property.

3011
05:08:10,320 --> 05:08:17,440
So, the policy 2.4, which is referenced in the reports, is basically an interesting equation

3012
05:08:17,440 --> 05:08:23,800
and me being the mathematician, I look at this as a two conditions must be met, being adjacent

3013
05:08:23,800 --> 05:08:30,180
to 280, and we're talking about cow's trans property to discourage sound walls. So as far

3014
05:08:30,180 --> 05:08:37,080
as I'm concerned, sound walls on any kind of private property along any noisy corridor is prohibited.

3015
05:08:37,680 --> 05:08:43,680
And that's one thing to remember. And then also in program 2.5, which comes from policy 2.4,

3016
05:08:43,680 --> 05:08:49,700
Here again, it just reiterates that the town sound, well, we'll pause the two applies,

3017
05:08:50,080 --> 05:08:54,920
two couchers as far as yet again, discouraging it, but also looking for, for example,

3018
05:08:55,120 --> 05:08:59,880
I'll turn this such as landscape burns, which they're kind of talking about.

3019
05:09:00,240 --> 05:09:05,080
The landscape burns means landscape sitting on a burn, not a fence sitting on a burn.

3020
05:09:05,780 --> 05:09:09,300
So that's what I had derived after looking at these general plans.

3021
05:09:09,300 --> 05:09:15,360
What's interesting, too, is that in the circulation element, which was just updated in

3022
05:09:15,360 --> 05:09:24,560
2015, it yet goes again, and describes all this, I just found that today, here again,

3023
05:09:24,880 --> 05:09:29,600
construction of sound walls is generally prohibitive along the industry 280 quarter, but

3024
05:09:29,600 --> 05:09:34,720
maybe considered in conjunction with future noise, they've already re-studied this back in 2015,

3025
05:09:34,720 --> 05:09:39,100
and the continued to discourage Soundwalls even on CalTrans Property.

3026
05:09:40,120 --> 05:09:43,500
And here again, it's you was saying we have our scenic highway of 280.

3027
05:09:44,420 --> 05:09:47,900
And we don't have, the Soundwalls are really down the Cupertino,

3028
05:09:48,100 --> 05:09:51,400
and kind of end before Magdalena, that is on Los Altesis property,

3029
05:09:51,600 --> 05:09:52,680
not Los Altesis Hills.

3030
05:09:53,140 --> 05:09:57,520
And I took a little drive and I curiously took pictures of our whole corridor,

3031
05:09:58,000 --> 05:10:00,000
and there are many, many houses.

3032
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:09,460
Long to 80, many houses that back up the photo, we've got a raster there. We have page mail. They're all considered noise areas.

3033
05:10:11,620 --> 05:10:19,640
Anyway, my mangle was I just want to maintain the general plan, continue to prohibit sound walls and keep the scenic in the scenic highway corridor.

3034
05:10:20,260 --> 05:10:21,940
And that was a man just of it.

3035
05:10:22,080 --> 05:10:27,480
And I, my suggestion for this property was basically a four foot burn with a couple rows of

3036
05:10:27,480 --> 05:10:27,900
redwoods.

3037
05:10:28,120 --> 05:10:31,160
But with everything changing, I feel like this needs to be continued.

3038
05:10:31,380 --> 05:10:35,080
And that's the quick and dirty version of my presentation.

3039
05:10:35,220 --> 05:10:40,740
But I thought very, very strong about the general plan and the way the policies and the programs

3040
05:10:40,740 --> 05:10:44,280
all play together and they don't deviate, they don't plan it.

3041
05:10:44,420 --> 05:10:47,240
And that was my most important thing that I wanted to get across tonight.

3042
05:10:47,240 --> 05:10:49,240
Thank you so much.

3043
05:10:50,020 --> 05:10:50,900
Thanks, Brigida.

3044
05:10:51,900 --> 05:10:57,780
Now, maybe we give Jim his few minutes to make a case.

3045
05:10:58,580 --> 05:11:02,380
First, let me ask you to see our historian.

3046
05:11:03,280 --> 05:11:11,820
Is there private property that is in the Cal Trans right away?

3047
05:11:12,220 --> 05:11:13,680
Cal Trans, you mean?

3048
05:11:13,680 --> 05:11:23,440
trance right away. I don't know what the, whether right away is. I mean, I, I would, I would presume

3049
05:11:23,440 --> 05:11:31,860
that L trance right away is distinct from private property. Oh, absolutely. Which, which means

3050
05:11:31,860 --> 05:11:39,060
that the end in the sentence that you were describing doesn't make sense because you can't have the,

3051
05:11:39,060 --> 05:11:42,060
You can't have private property and

3052
05:11:43,920 --> 05:11:50,300
CalTrans right of way, so I still feel like we are able to

3053
05:11:52,400 --> 05:11:53,280
approve

3054
05:11:54,360 --> 05:11:55,240
Something

3055
05:11:56,340 --> 05:11:59,540
Because the policy says it should be discouraged

3056
05:12:00,260 --> 05:12:04,600
It doesn't and there aren't there is a regulation that says

3057
05:12:05,240 --> 05:12:07,280
You shall not do this and

3058
05:12:07,280 --> 05:12:14,760
Lastly, lastly, let me just say, lastly, I'm not sure that those things would apply to a fence.

3059
05:12:16,580 --> 05:12:23,820
I mean, to be a soundwall is that bit cement thing on the freeway, and nobody's talking about it.

3060
05:12:23,820 --> 05:12:24,780
But big cement thing.

3061
05:12:25,360 --> 05:12:37,260
But if I, if I, if I may, and I'm going to ask Zach now, we have the case in town where we've just, you know, increased the town's right of way over a road.

3062
05:12:37,260 --> 05:12:39,840
So the

3063
05:12:42,020 --> 05:12:49,440
property under that right away may still be in private ownership, even though the town has a right of way.

3064
05:12:50,360 --> 05:13:01,460
So to cast that back on the question that Jim did us, can 280 have a right of way that overlaps private property?

3065
05:13:03,340 --> 05:13:09,020
Probably not, because there are remitt strips, and they might be referring to those pieces

3066
05:13:09,020 --> 05:13:13,520
where the calculated count trends or the state of California acquired the property,

3067
05:13:14,300 --> 05:13:18,900
you have nothing to do then. As you'll notice, there's various remitt strips along there,

3068
05:13:19,060 --> 05:13:25,040
so maybe there's some of that, but in count trends case, they own the property outright as

3069
05:13:25,040 --> 05:13:28,660
right of one. And that wouldn't be called a private property.

3070
05:13:29,540 --> 05:13:56,800
Now, it's CalTrans right away. They own it. Also, just so you know, Carol got left. She was on the original committee who wrote up the general plan back in the 2007 timeframe and so she knows the intent. So you start off at the town general plan go to the elements element number 723 is a prohibits the sound walls on private property.

3071
05:13:56,800 --> 05:14:04,080
to say further down in all of this through the policies and also in that actual 723 that I showed

3072
05:14:04,080 --> 05:14:11,340
you that we discourage because we have no control of cow-trans property. We discourage sound

3073
05:14:11,340 --> 05:14:18,500
walls on cow-trans property going through the 280 of loss out to the hills. And so we don't

3074
05:14:18,500 --> 05:14:23,800
have cow-trans sound walls going through. And one other thing to be brought up to attention which

3075
05:14:23,800 --> 05:14:30,000
goes back to the clients here, or the applicants is that it was just revealed that

3076
05:14:30,000 --> 05:14:35,200
Cal Trust is finally getting to the repayment projects, and they are repaying

3077
05:14:35,200 --> 05:14:42,280
parts of 280 up to around Magdalena to help with the noise attenuation and stopping that.

3078
05:14:42,420 --> 05:14:45,680
So it's where the rubber hits the road, has nothing to do with the engines.

3079
05:14:46,240 --> 05:14:50,940
Is the rubber hits the road? So yeah, I mean, I have more slides on that, but I want to keep

3080
05:14:50,940 --> 05:14:56,940
short since they all want to seem to get out of here, but I really don't talk to you guys. That's

3081
05:14:56,940 --> 05:14:59,880
the thing. I can't talk otherwise. Thank you.

3082
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:08,020
I was hoping this just fate spent one moment with the diagram that showed the red sharpelines

3083
05:15:08,020 --> 05:15:11,940
if something can put that up. Oh, you mean for me? Oh, we do not have the one.

3084
05:15:12,240 --> 05:15:20,000
You ever can go that so that I can just try to simplify the question of what is it?

3085
05:15:21,000 --> 05:15:26,940
And then we can ask ourselves, do we have enough information or should we continue this?

3086
05:15:28,020 --> 05:15:37,340
So, in my discussions with the owner here, this first, I'm going to call it three sections.

3087
05:15:37,820 --> 05:15:44,420
One is the 140, one is the 70, and the other is the 56. Does that make sense?

3088
05:15:46,280 --> 05:15:51,440
Okay, the 140 is built on top of an existing four foot firm.

3089
05:15:51,440 --> 05:16:07,000
And yes, it has mature vegetation on it and some of that's going to go because on top of that, he wants to build a redwood fence that starts at 5 feet tall on the left and goes to 8 feet tall on the right.

3090
05:16:08,400 --> 05:16:11,840
That's what he's talking about for the 140-foot section.

3091
05:16:12,640 --> 05:16:17,580
And then for the section between, that's called the 70-foot section,

3092
05:16:18,540 --> 05:16:24,280
he wants to put a new 3-foot berm on existing grave

3093
05:16:24,280 --> 05:16:28,000
and put an 8-foot fence on top of that.

3094
05:16:28,980 --> 05:16:32,780
Redwood fence, this is on existing grave.

3095
05:16:32,780 --> 05:16:38,540
I presume that the three foot burn doesn't take a variance, but Zack's going to have to

3096
05:16:38,540 --> 05:16:47,400
help me with that. Then the last spot, the 56 foot, is exactly the same thing. It's that same

3097
05:16:47,400 --> 05:16:54,080
three-foot burn on an existing grade, but it goes north here and goes to the end of the ADU.

3098
05:16:54,080 --> 05:17:00,860
And there's an exact same eight-foot Redwood fence on top of that.

3099
05:17:01,900 --> 05:17:06,120
So, my question to my fellow commissioners is,

3100
05:17:07,620 --> 05:17:12,240
is that enough of a description I recognize that this is an IPL?

3101
05:17:12,680 --> 05:17:18,520
So, my view is that is enough of a description and we've got that from the applicant.

3102
05:17:19,380 --> 05:17:23,400
But there is a lot more other discussions we need to have

3103
05:17:23,400 --> 05:17:27,880
Because, anyway, even that proposal is a variance.

3104
05:17:29,320 --> 05:17:33,260
So, I think we don't have adequate time right now.

3105
05:17:33,400 --> 05:17:38,520
So, the best approach I would suggest is to continue this.

3106
05:17:40,140 --> 05:17:42,320
And I don't know if...

3107
05:17:42,320 --> 05:17:42,820
Three.

3108
05:17:43,840 --> 05:17:46,320
I feel the same way.

3109
05:17:46,360 --> 05:17:49,720
I feel we should continue this because things have changed.

3110
05:17:49,720 --> 05:18:10,860
And also, now we're dealing with a new terminology of fence versus sound wall and also it's in a variance, I don't want to give something without knowing what implications are because this will have a ripple effect along every house that's on to 80, you know, everybody's going to want to do the same thing and there goes a scenic to 80 highway.

3111
05:18:10,860 --> 05:18:23,300
If I may chime in, I've heard a lot of discussion here about certain points, but what I was prepared to say hasn't even been brought up yet.

3112
05:18:25,280 --> 05:18:29,760
And so, and there's no time, I don't feel like doing it right now either.

3113
05:18:29,760 --> 05:18:40,780
I don't see, I concur with the regime, there's more discussion to be had and more thinking.

3114
05:18:41,940 --> 05:18:45,000
The ground has shifted tonight quite a bit.

3115
05:18:45,240 --> 05:18:47,260
And if you ask me, which do you prefer?

3116
05:18:48,200 --> 05:18:53,300
A plastic PVC wall, white, 12 feet.

3117
05:18:54,500 --> 05:19:05,940
Exchange that for three feet of dirt with planting on it and a five foot or eight foot redwood fence.

3118
05:19:06,100 --> 05:19:16,840
I'll take the second, but I might not take the whole day and take it all, but at least the redwood fence on top of a berm to me is preferable.

3119
05:19:16,840 --> 05:19:29,160
than a 10 foot or 12 foot white PVC fence, but there's a whole bunch of other discussion that I want to have, but I'm going to be thinking about this in the interim.

3120
05:19:30,360 --> 05:19:35,000
So yeah, I would be very much in favor of continuing it.

3121
05:19:35,260 --> 05:19:36,660
So the house is built.

3122
05:19:37,120 --> 05:19:39,200
So do you want to make a motion call?

3123
05:19:41,580 --> 05:19:49,860
I'd like to table this or continue this agenda item until on next meeting.

3124
05:19:52,560 --> 05:19:59,960
Is there any do you want to provide direction to the applicant or are you just relying on the discussion that was provided for them to

3125
05:20:02,160 --> 05:20:16,620
Now, I think the applicant knows as much as I do and what's possible, knows a lot more. I think it's a hell of an improvement that came with tonight. I wish I had to know about it before.

3126
05:20:19,060 --> 05:20:28,340
And maybe in another month you'll have something even further. I don't know. But at least we can discuss it more for you then.

3127
05:20:29,060 --> 05:20:36,680
I'd like to add that the, I think the applicant could be a better job at drawing up the

3128
05:20:36,680 --> 05:20:40,820
plan so that we don't have to be wondering what's going on.

3129
05:20:41,520 --> 05:20:49,260
But that I think the primary issue here really is time in the day relative to how much discussion

3130
05:20:49,260 --> 05:20:57,680
we need to have about some of these other issues about precedence and general plans, which don't

3131
05:20:57,680 --> 05:21:05,000
have that much to do with the applicant's description of his project. It's it's it's important,

3132
05:21:05,560 --> 05:21:14,680
but I'm trying to give the applicant kind of a limited thing that they need to respond with,

3133
05:21:14,720 --> 05:21:20,220
just a description, a better description of their plan rather than to address all of these other

3134
05:21:20,220 --> 05:21:22,280
planning commission related issues.

3135
05:21:24,540 --> 05:21:24,560
Yes.

3136
05:21:27,240 --> 05:21:28,980
Is that adequate, is that?

3137
05:21:29,980 --> 05:21:35,100
Do we need a vote? I don't think so. Yes. No, we. Yes. You do want to vote to

3138
05:21:35,100 --> 05:21:36,680
confess. Yes. We should vote.

3139
05:21:39,980 --> 05:21:43,800
We have a mover on the second. Yeah. The voting to

3140
05:21:43,800 --> 05:21:47,700
continue the commissioner Smith. Yes.

3141
05:21:50,220 --> 05:21:54,020
Commissioner Indico. Yes. Commissioner

3142
05:21:54,020 --> 05:22:00,300
What's your, uh, we don't always have to agree. I'm, and I'm going to vote.

3143
05:22:03,000 --> 05:22:07,400
No. Commissioner Capareth. Yes.

3144
05:22:08,860 --> 05:22:10,760
Chair Patel. Yes.

3145
05:22:12,960 --> 05:22:25,020
The motion to continue this passes for the one. The, and hopefully, you know, we know what is required. So we should be able to take it up

3146
05:22:25,480 --> 05:22:29,600
At the next planning commission meeting, Zach, do you think that's going to be a challenge?

3147
05:22:32,300 --> 05:22:32,900
No, there shouldn't.

3148
05:22:33,060 --> 05:22:38,860
I mean, really, it's more on the applicant's part to be able to provide us with materials, but we wouldn't see any.

3149
05:22:39,060 --> 05:22:44,480
So we would consider this continue to a date certain if you just want to clear up for what's the action.

3150
05:22:45,340 --> 05:22:51,140
And yeah, so we'll be holding an agenda spot and then it'll just be working with the applicant to provide that clarification in the interim.

3151
05:22:52,860 --> 05:22:53,440
Thank you.

3152
05:22:53,920 --> 05:22:54,700
Thank you.

3153
05:22:54,700 --> 05:23:04,900
All right, let's move on. Hopefully the next item should be fast or would you want to

3154
05:23:04,900 --> 05:23:14,420
defer it? What does the commission feel like? I have a feeling that because they're asking

3155
05:23:14,420 --> 05:23:20,900
commission for something they've already done, we should be able to have that pretty quick.

3156
05:23:21,840 --> 05:23:31,440
Let's go fast and go over it. Item 5.4, 270 perisimal road, town of Los Alcozils,

3157
05:23:31,760 --> 05:23:39,460
site development format for a new 1,000-12-50 square foot tractor port and a variance to

3158
05:23:39,460 --> 05:23:45,100
allow tractor port structure to be located in the existing parking area which encroaches

3159
05:23:45,100 --> 05:23:52,230
into the 30 for viewers and back adjacent to interstate 280 up to 18 feet.

3160
05:23:54,060 --> 05:23:58,310
All right. Thank you chair and commissioners. I will be very brief.

3161
05:23:59,300 --> 05:24:04,740
It's pretty straightforward looking at them. We've got our the town's courtyard here next to

3162
05:24:04,740 --> 05:24:10,240
Paris and the park. Here's a closer view. You can see the existing parking that exists along

3163
05:24:10,240 --> 05:24:14,460
that back then under the Jason to 280 and the existing two story,

3164
05:24:15,020 --> 05:24:19,560
fourth yard building with garages both facing toward prismah and facing kind of perpendicular

3165
05:24:19,560 --> 05:24:26,240
on the side there. Here are some photos of this existing structure. This was a capital project

3166
05:24:26,240 --> 05:24:33,540
that was approved to be completed in fiscal's year 1920. And it was originally intended to be placed

3167
05:24:33,540 --> 05:24:38,440
in a way that would meet all of the required setbacks. However, especially if you look in that

3168
05:24:38,440 --> 05:24:44,240
or left corner, you can see that there is a need for this to be perpendicular to the building

3169
05:24:44,240 --> 05:24:51,220
and obviously the poles need to align to avoid obstructing those garage doors. So as you

3170
05:24:51,220 --> 05:24:58,440
can see, when the specific placement was to occur, it was at that point realized that we

3171
05:24:58,440 --> 05:25:00,000
would not be able to get it fully.

3172
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:15,680
Particularly within compliance of the 30 foot rear yard setback. And so thus the need for the variance. As you can see, the majority of this, the port meets the 30 foot setback, but because of the angle of the property line and the wave of the existing building sits.

3173
05:25:15,680 --> 05:25:24,820
We could not place this structure without making it asymmetrical to the corp guard if we were going to avoid that corner encroachment.

3174
05:25:26,760 --> 05:25:31,100
There are four variants findings to be made based on the findings provided.

3175
05:25:31,180 --> 05:25:37,000
It does appear that we can provide justification and findings to meet all four of those required findings.

3176
05:25:38,440 --> 05:25:42,800
And I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you very much.

3177
05:25:44,400 --> 05:25:46,660
Any questions?

3178
05:25:49,880 --> 05:25:51,620
Good. I have one question.

3179
05:25:53,980 --> 05:25:59,440
Just so what fiscal year was it for 2019 or 2020?

3180
05:26:00,780 --> 05:26:01,740
1920.

3181
05:26:02,760 --> 05:26:07,140
But the one that ended on July 1st.

3182
05:26:09,620 --> 05:26:09,860
Okay.

3183
05:26:10,380 --> 05:26:12,400
It's not calendar year.

3184
05:26:12,400 --> 05:26:15,800
you guys fiscal year. So it ended the fall first.

3185
05:26:16,280 --> 05:26:21,660
No, so 2019 to 2020 and just 1920. I'm thinking the

3186
05:26:21,660 --> 05:26:22,700
prohibition years.

3187
05:26:26,640 --> 05:26:27,860
I'm on the same

3188
05:26:27,860 --> 05:26:37,160
case, everybody. All right. Okay, anyone else? Great. So do we have any

3189
05:26:37,160 --> 05:26:39,480
members of the public who want to speak?

3190
05:26:39,480 --> 05:26:40,020
Cody?

3191
05:26:42,710 --> 05:26:44,110
I know everybody's sleeping.

3192
05:26:51,090 --> 05:26:51,350
Okay,

3193
05:27:00,680 --> 05:27:03,640
I know you're muted. I just wonder how this

3194
05:27:03,640 --> 05:27:06,160
affects the path of

3195
05:27:44,850 --> 05:27:49,430
any side or was pushed aside or something would it go into one of the

3196
05:27:49,430 --> 05:27:57,130
standards? I just wonder whether a fence should be put there for the safety. There is an existing

3197
05:27:57,130 --> 05:28:02,670
fence that is six feet tall that runs between the path and the nearest corner of the of the

3198
05:28:02,670 --> 05:28:08,410
record. So there's an all along it. It does for the full length. If you're on the pathway,

3199
05:28:08,450 --> 05:28:14,030
you would not be able to get into the courtyard. You can't get into the courtyard. So if a horse

3200
05:28:14,030 --> 05:28:21,430
because this is the path that's used heavily by a quest trend. So if anything happened and

3201
05:28:21,430 --> 05:28:28,770
noise from the freeway or something came along and the horse sigh, it was shy into the fence and

3202
05:28:28,770 --> 05:28:39,430
in to one of the standards. That is correct. Yeah, you would hit the fence before a standard because it is it is about I think one to two feet on the other side of the fence.

3203
05:28:39,710 --> 05:28:40,190
Okay.

3204
05:28:41,630 --> 05:28:44,530
Can I ask a question by?

3205
05:28:45,270 --> 05:28:48,830
Could we just wait till the public other public comments are heard?

3206
05:28:48,830 --> 05:28:49,170
Can

3207
05:28:52,210 --> 05:28:54,650
anybody else?

3208
05:28:55,190 --> 05:28:55,710
Cooling.

3209
05:29:08,170 --> 05:29:09,470
You guys hear me?

3210
05:29:09,750 --> 05:29:09,910
No.

3211
05:29:11,210 --> 05:29:11,410
Okay.

3212
05:29:12,050 --> 05:29:18,250
So I've been raising my hand the whole time on the previous, you know, the, you know, the,

3213
05:29:18,250 --> 05:29:20,470
Prisma, the Joe Balbo fence.

3214
05:29:20,530 --> 05:29:25,170
I had comments on and was never recognized throughout that whole thing.

3215
05:29:25,350 --> 05:29:28,790
And I hit the button a half a dozen times.

3216
05:29:29,050 --> 05:29:30,850
So I don't have any comments on this.

3217
05:29:30,870 --> 05:29:34,070
I just wanted to see if I was ever going to be recognized throughout this

3218
05:29:37,610 --> 05:29:59,950
I've got a six foot redwood fence and I've got redwood trees 60 foot tall in my backyard and I can hear my neighbors talking so so I can vouch that redwood trees and the fence that has gaps in it

3219
05:30:00,020 --> 05:30:02,420
Do not work.

3220
05:30:07,020 --> 05:30:27,160
So, you know, this is my comments. We're on the previous thing, but I just got recognize that, but I've been hitting the thing all night. So I don't know. I guess, I got continued. So I guess I'll just wait for the next meeting and then speak up, hopefully I'll get recognized.

3221
05:30:27,160 --> 05:30:35,060
Thank you, Gary, and I think we will make sure that you get recognized next time.

3222
05:30:43,660 --> 05:30:49,160
Okay, last, any questions for that?

3223
05:30:54,130 --> 05:31:00,650
If not, I'll close the public hearing and let's discuss this.

3224
05:31:01,750 --> 05:31:04,490
any one wants to start or

3225
05:31:08,300 --> 05:31:14,900
but I had one concern and I'm glad Zack is there. If I can

3226
05:31:14,900 --> 05:31:20,260
just share a picture because I was out that I walked the whole back area yesterday. Let me

3227
05:31:20,260 --> 05:31:20,940
just

3228
05:31:35,300 --> 05:31:41,200
because I have been involved with the Horses Association there with the riding ring.

3229
05:31:41,300 --> 05:31:48,800
So the riding ring is only a little ways up and so is the question center which is part of

3230
05:31:48,800 --> 05:31:57,080
This is a solid I beam steel beam and is sitting right next to the fence right there and I'd

3231
05:31:57,080 --> 05:32:03,780
like to see some protection so in case or horse with a rider or to hit up upon that that's

3232
05:32:03,780 --> 05:32:11,500
the only concern that I have is that it is a solid structure and it's right on the fence line

3233
05:32:11,500 --> 05:32:12,100
there.

3234
05:32:13,180 --> 05:32:16,660
So, mine is a safety concern and I'll leave it at that.

3235
05:32:24,540 --> 05:32:28,060
if I can break in it, but how would you mitigate that?

3236
05:32:29,760 --> 05:32:34,920
Patting, I don't know, to some patting there, so a case of a horse or the rider, because it gets narrowed

3237
05:32:34,920 --> 05:32:39,000
because you got a little bit that wooden bridge thing right there,

3238
05:33:24,130 --> 05:33:26,010
and there's some sort of rubber backing.

3239
05:33:26,750 --> 05:33:31,610
Yeah, that beam is huge. That whole stretch will never have succumb to earthquake.

3240
05:33:32,050 --> 05:33:35,770
Everything else around is a fall apart. That's going to be standard. That's substantial.

3241
05:33:42,060 --> 05:33:54,550
I'm prepared to pass a motion or offer a motion if there's no other discussion.

3242
05:33:57,240 --> 05:34:00,540
Rajiv, I don't hear you.

3243
05:34:00,820 --> 05:34:02,740
Oh, I said go for it.

3244
05:34:03,100 --> 05:34:04,540
This is your chance for a hacker.

3245
05:34:11,910 --> 05:34:27,990
I move that the application for a variance be granted based on the findings in the attachment

3246
05:34:27,990 --> 05:34:44,710
at one and that the staff be urged to provide padding on the very tall

3247
05:34:46,090 --> 05:34:52,590
I mean that is a safety risk for a questions.

3248
05:34:56,870 --> 05:34:58,030
I'll second that.

3249
05:35:01,300 --> 05:35:09,480
Let's vote. Is it midnight yet?

3250
05:35:10,740 --> 05:35:12,100
Ah, not nearly.

3251
05:35:16,620 --> 05:35:19,220
Commissioner Smith. Yes.

3252
05:35:21,200 --> 05:35:23,600
Commissioner Indico. Yes.

3253
05:35:25,000 --> 05:35:27,160
Commissioner Washera. Yes.

3254
05:35:28,580 --> 05:35:30,360
Commissioner Cooper. Yes.

3255
05:35:30,360 --> 05:35:40,860
Chair Patel. Yes. The motion passes, congratulations. The project is approved, pending a 22 day appeal period.

3256
05:35:42,540 --> 05:35:55,580
All right. I know we have reports from City Council if you want to make it really fast.

3257
05:35:55,580 --> 05:36:07,240
We give you like a three-minute window to go fast. Just please, just go over the critical items which were discussed on

3258
05:36:07,240 --> 05:36:19,580
June 18th. Oh, me, I'm sure my God. Oh, I know the code. It doesn't it May 21, past meeting. I thought that was it.

3259
05:36:19,580 --> 05:36:24,860
I was a typo, and my apologies, we should not take that.

3260
05:36:25,680 --> 05:36:30,960
Yeah, so the main 21 was already discussed last time, so I believe it's the June 18th,

3261
05:36:31,040 --> 05:36:35,660
or the English commissioner in Daco should have attended.

3262
05:36:36,760 --> 05:36:39,580
Yep, and I've got five pages of notes from that.

3263
05:36:44,510 --> 05:36:51,810
So if the critical three items that would be worthwhile for your fellow commissioners.

3264
05:36:51,810 --> 05:36:57,130
Well, Jim was sure I got appointed, yet secretaries got appointed, I got re-appointed

3265
05:36:57,130 --> 05:36:58,210
to spend a commission.

3266
05:37:00,690 --> 05:37:02,530
Yeah, oh god.

3267
05:37:03,390 --> 05:37:09,030
This is really, well, one thing that was interesting, there was a couple of things off

3268
05:37:09,030 --> 05:37:14,590
the ones that are not passed, they've been continued, and basic was

3269
05:37:23,840 --> 05:37:26,320
okay. So anyway, there was a request

3270
05:37:27,080 --> 05:37:32,240
by environmental initiatives committee to offer educational opportunities for count residents that was

3271
05:37:32,240 --> 05:37:38,580
not passed, they need to present better details. Five F was basically about

3272
05:37:39,780 --> 05:37:45,120
amending standing committee resolution to include council approval of associate membership. That was

3273
05:37:45,120 --> 05:37:51,760
also not past that was postponed and that was kind of an interesting one of the whole discussion

3274
05:37:51,760 --> 05:37:53,500
that associated members.

3275
05:37:56,320 --> 05:38:00,860
The sewer tax, the sewer tax roll was passed, it selects the

3276
05:38:00,860 --> 05:38:02,100
link with sewer charges,

3277
05:38:07,700 --> 05:38:16,260
town budget was passed, annexation of Ravensbury Avenue Island, that

3278
05:38:16,260 --> 05:38:24,340
was passed. That's a big one. Okay. Yeah, there was seven properties are all in septic and

3279
05:38:26,340 --> 05:38:33,760
anyway, yeah, that was passed. Seven A map adjustment dealing with a downward stride, which we had,

3280
05:38:33,760 --> 05:38:40,220
the 40 foot step back, but we had wanted to keep the light and air easement on there. Anyway,

3281
05:38:41,860 --> 05:38:47,820
They basically abandoned that easement and they want to apply the same thought to the whole

3282
05:38:47,820 --> 05:38:48,360
dawn ridge.

3283
05:38:48,560 --> 05:38:49,620
That's not all we've been talking about.

3284
05:38:50,120 --> 05:38:54,040
They had the crazy as 100 feet lightenary easements, the 70.

3285
05:38:54,980 --> 05:39:00,500
Anyway, it was council member Oregon that was to basically apply the same thought down the

3286
05:39:00,500 --> 05:39:01,960
whole street of dawn ridge.

3287
05:39:02,080 --> 05:39:07,000
The base of it that does is that it allows people to put fences on the 40 foot setback

3288
05:39:07,000 --> 05:39:10,660
which Commissioner Mandel was trying to keep open

3289
05:39:10,660 --> 05:39:11,940
since it was a park like setting.

3290
05:39:12,320 --> 05:39:14,620
So that was important because that reflects back

3291
05:39:14,620 --> 05:39:16,760
to what we decided and talked about.

3292
05:39:18,200 --> 05:39:23,880
Then there was a agreement with our city manager.

3293
05:39:24,520 --> 05:39:26,400
That was extended a year.

3294
05:39:27,360 --> 05:39:31,380
Then there was underground report by council member Tyson.

3295
05:39:31,380 --> 05:39:36,420
And that's how it went.

3296
05:39:36,720 --> 05:39:42,880
And then there was status reports about parking wreck.

3297
05:39:43,540 --> 05:39:53,040
There was a report by Mayor Wu on the city's association about the aircraft noise and housing bills.

3298
05:39:53,740 --> 05:39:55,720
There was also, this is the last one.

3299
05:39:55,720 --> 05:39:58,120
This one happened a lot of 55 in the evening.

3300
05:39:58,120 --> 05:40:00,000
post what we're doing here. It was-

3301
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:26,060
Those council members, spring, talked about committee issues. They have a survey going out to the committees and committee chairs. They're collecting data and they want to basically get clarity of communication. Just figure out the disconnect between staff and committees. They want the committee members to consider between Brown Act versus Volunteer. Getting new people involved. How to make them feel more welcome.

3302
05:40:27,600 --> 05:40:33,280
How to preserve knowledge is thinking for somebody with so council member,

3303
05:40:33,600 --> 05:40:39,120
screen and core again are looking into looking at how our volunteer communities

3304
05:40:39,120 --> 05:40:40,360
are set up and structured.

3305
05:40:42,500 --> 05:40:46,520
And they do want to talk with committee chairs and discuss all of this.

3306
05:40:46,620 --> 05:40:47,280
So that was that.

3307
05:40:47,980 --> 05:40:55,160
And then of course we had staff reports of city manager reported about fire audits

3308
05:40:55,160 --> 05:40:57,160
that the fire accounting meeting,

3309
05:40:59,100 --> 05:41:01,580
how a lot to open access to public with media,

3310
05:41:01,720 --> 05:41:03,560
feel in it for lost out to some residents.

3311
05:41:03,680 --> 05:41:04,740
That was one thing interesting.

3312
05:41:05,440 --> 05:41:08,960
Also, Serena, our finance person in the city

3313
05:41:08,960 --> 05:41:10,480
to update on the deposits.

3314
05:41:11,020 --> 05:41:13,940
They say 421,000 dollars have been resolved.

3315
05:41:14,740 --> 05:41:18,360
They are working on another $142,000 dollar fall a week

3316
05:41:18,360 --> 05:41:21,960
and they are still working with $450,000 worth

3317
05:41:21,960 --> 05:41:24,300
of the deposits to be resolved going forward.

3318
05:41:24,300 --> 05:41:31,460
And then the last item of the night, which was approved was basically a $5,000, $1

3319
05:41:31,460 --> 05:41:39,380
time donation to the nonprofit organization CSA, which Council Member Tyson was championing.

3320
05:41:39,480 --> 05:41:42,680
And that's like the really quick and dirty version if you want more, you get a calming.

3321
05:41:43,440 --> 05:41:43,800
All right.

3322
05:41:43,960 --> 05:41:45,360
Thank you, Brigida.

3323
05:41:46,580 --> 05:41:47,260
Thank you.

3324
05:41:47,360 --> 05:41:49,640
Let's go over item 6.2.

3325
05:41:49,640 --> 05:41:53,800
Anybody have any issues with the upcoming meeting assignments?

3326
05:41:53,800 --> 05:42:01,920
I don't know if they were again a wrongly type, but July 16th would be commissioner Smith,

3327
05:42:02,600 --> 05:42:11,480
August 20th myself, September 17th commissioner was Shura. Everybody okay with those?

3328
05:42:12,660 --> 05:42:20,480
All right. So moving on to item number 7, that we all give us a brief update.

3329
05:42:21,360 --> 05:42:28,240
Um, nothing specific to report all the items that went before site development fast track over the past month.

3330
05:42:28,460 --> 05:42:36,040
Um, we're approved, some with minor conditions, nothing really eventful there, but I can prefer to elaborate on anyone has any questions.

3331
05:42:37,900 --> 05:42:38,180
Okay.

3332
05:42:38,980 --> 05:42:39,500
And then.

3333
05:42:40,340 --> 05:42:41,340
I do have a question.

3334
05:42:41,700 --> 05:42:42,120
Go ahead.

3335
05:42:42,680 --> 05:42:46,060
I do want to make some comments here just to find out.

3336
05:42:46,200 --> 05:42:48,620
I know it's like, but I think it's important to kind of know.

3337
05:42:48,620 --> 05:42:52,080
is exceptions that are made on some of these properties.

3338
05:42:52,240 --> 05:42:54,220
So we also learned from that knowledge base.

3339
05:42:54,420 --> 05:42:56,980
I mean, I attempt all fast tracks,

3340
05:42:57,120 --> 05:43:01,280
like it all, I mean, things that I know some of you don't.

3341
05:43:01,940 --> 05:43:05,480
And I know on, I think it was,

3342
05:43:05,560 --> 05:43:08,040
Natoma there was an exception there

3343
05:43:08,040 --> 05:43:10,980
that happened both the fence and the columns.

3344
05:43:11,220 --> 05:43:13,360
And I'll look back, Dylan, on that.

3345
05:43:14,100 --> 05:43:17,220
Yeah, so we did quite an exception in the basis

3346
05:43:17,220 --> 05:43:22,860
was that Natoma Road is not aligned on the center of the right away. It's actually kind of pushed

3347
05:43:22,860 --> 05:43:29,320
to one side. So defense feels like it meets our standard offset requirement. If that road is in

3348
05:43:29,320 --> 05:43:35,100
the center, but since it was off to one side of the right away, it functionally sat closer to the

3349
05:43:35,100 --> 05:43:40,880
center line of the right away than it went on in almost circumstances. So that was the basic reason

3350
05:43:40,880 --> 05:43:45,100
for why it was approved. But if you drive out Natoma and you look at that side once it's built,

3351
05:43:45,100 --> 05:43:47,880
it will feel like a standard setback that we would apply.

3352
05:43:48,480 --> 05:43:51,460
It just, um, the road doesn't lie in the middle of the right way.

3353
05:43:51,760 --> 05:43:53,500
That, the, the paved area anyways.

3354
05:43:53,840 --> 05:43:56,720
So that was the underlying reason for why that exception was written.

3355
05:43:57,820 --> 05:44:03,040
And that was, is that 45 feet, it's been six-section of six-foot fence,

3356
05:44:04,000 --> 05:44:06,680
and then the columns was 41 or something like that.

3357
05:44:07,900 --> 05:44:10,860
Yes, it was, um, well, it was the gate.

3358
05:44:10,940 --> 05:44:13,520
It was the gate versus where the fence was.

3359
05:44:13,520 --> 05:44:25,560
The gate actually sat a little forward and there was also some topography there where they were trying to get a gate swing and the property slope, so there was more favorable topography moving it forward a few feet.

3360
05:44:28,640 --> 05:44:33,420
And then the other big one was Eschner court as far as.

3361
05:44:33,980 --> 05:44:36,300
That was one that had.

3362
05:44:37,260 --> 05:44:39,960
A view easement also in that property.

3363
05:44:41,620 --> 05:44:45,600
that one was there was there is a conservation E.

3364
05:44:45,600 --> 05:44:50,280
You saw actually the e-leasment on the the National Court property and so they were proposing

3365
05:44:50,280 --> 05:44:54,800
a fence but the fence was fully met all our fence code requirements, there was no exception.

3366
05:44:57,650 --> 05:44:59,950
But we did as a part of the action.

3367
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:09,000
The open fence, which was within two feet of the conservation easement, the open splitter of fence was reduced from their proposed six feet, it was approved at ID.

3368
05:45:11,180 --> 05:45:13,600
And with three rails, I think it's that right.

3369
05:45:13,800 --> 05:45:14,020
Yes.

3370
05:45:17,520 --> 05:45:18,720
Thank you so much.

3371
05:45:20,540 --> 05:45:24,820
So next, a planning director report, did you have a report?

3372
05:45:25,600 --> 05:45:28,600
I'm right, do not have any further thing further ahead.

3373
05:45:29,000 --> 05:45:29,560
All right.

3374
05:45:29,560 --> 05:45:35,520
Project, before we adjourn, I just want to thank you all for making my first meeting as

3375
05:45:35,520 --> 05:45:42,000
pretty much as possible. I hope I did okay.

3376
05:45:43,060 --> 05:45:48,560
You did great. You did one probably on the first rookie who hit a hatchric

3377
05:45:48,560 --> 05:45:53,000
in Russians in the history of planning commissioners at

3378
05:45:53,000 --> 05:45:54,860
go south as hell.

3379
05:45:58,480 --> 05:46:01,420
Anyway, do I hear a motion?