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Good

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evening. This is the regular meeting of the town of Los Alto's Hills on Thursday, January 15, 2026. The time is now 6.05 pm. I'll call the meeting to order and City Clerk, please take a roll call.

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How's the member Mark?

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How's the member Swine?

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Here.

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How's the member Tanka?

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Yeah.

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Vice Mayor Tyson.

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Mayor Vatasia.

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Here.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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Please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I'd like to review the agenda, Council is very changes to the agenda that you would like to make.

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Not for me.

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I think we wanted to move the report from the community development director to after item

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three presentations from the floor.

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Is that right?

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And before that, can we get a comment from the City Attorney on item 5L from the previous meeting?

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Yes, Mayor, and I'll do a short report from the special meeting.

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During the 430 PM special meeting that was held just before the regular meeting the city council conducted a closed session regarding anticipated litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9 subdivision d2 and there were no report or actions from that closed session.

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The C Council also considered an item during the open session portion of that meeting to consider the issuance of a Brown Act.

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Unconditional commitment pursuant to government code section 5496 0.2.

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The unconditional commitment allows the council to respond to allegages of Brown Act violations asserted in a demand letter from Safford Law,

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that's data December 16, 2025, and the council is also considering item on 5L on consent

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in this regular meeting for the same response and bylaw the issuance of a commitment and

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also the action that the council is taking under 5L, do not constitute an admission or evidence

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of any violation of the town's part, and during the special meeting at 430 to Council by a vote

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of 50 approved, providing the unconditional commitment in response to the demand letter as included

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in that staff report. All of the town disagrees with the allegations raised in the demand letter

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as no-brow and act violations have occurred. The city council elected to utilize the unconditional

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could mimic an option under statelots for clothes, a necessary litigation, and is also in line

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with as continued commitment to transparency and public participation, and that concludes my report.

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Thank you, Ms. Sly. Next item in the agenda is the presentations and appointment.

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And we have one item which is consideration of a appointment to the Los Altersville's Planning Commission.

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And we have a staff report.

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Before you do that, ma'am, I have to request myself on this item because I have a contractual professional relationship of the applicants.

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Thank you, councilmember.

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Okay.

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I'll wait till she's up to dies.

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All right, Council. Tonight, I have eight qualified applicants who all seek one seat on the planning commission.

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The planning commission currently has one vacancy to fill with a term beginning today, January 15, 2026,

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and it will expire on June 30, 2028, created by a resignation of a planning commissioner.

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A notice of vacancy was advertised in the weekly newsletter in the daily post and through the

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town social media accounts. As of Monday, January 12th and actually now is Tuesday, January 13th.

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The only applications we received are attached. Several of the applicants are here tonight

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and have prepared a 3 to 5 minute presentation for you and I'll check in with most of them.

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So, yes.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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It should be go ahead with listening here and from the applicants.

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Mr. Swan, are you okay with that?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I think we'd like to limit the presentation from the applicants to three minutes each.

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There's eight of them.

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So, if we can go ahead and call the first one.

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And I do, I do want to say I'm really heartened by the number of applicants.

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It's a real pleasure to have that kind of participation from the community.

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So thank you for applying.

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And I'm going to call them in alphabetical order.

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Sabrina, are you? Yes, I definitely see.

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So the way this will work is we'll have three minutes per applicant,

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and then I can still have some questions for you. Easy questions.

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All right, sounds good.

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Good evening, my name is Sabrina Co. Bowers and I'm applying a serve on the planning commission

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because of my appreciation for Los Alters Hills and it's a desire to improve the resident experience.

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My husband and I bought our property here in 2018. We are drawn by the town's unique rural character and natural beauty.

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We've spent over the last seven years including the last three years actively building our home.

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I gained an intimate first-hand understanding of our planning and permitting systems and

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process.

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This experience highlighted the critical importance of our protective regulations.

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However, it also revealed significant opportunities to make the process more transparent,

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consistent, and efficient.

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I want to ensure that other families do not face the unnecessary delays or unclear requirements

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that I experienced.

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My goal is to create a system where homeowners view the town as a partner rather than an obstacle.

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Professionally, I bring over 20 years of experience as a tech PM, a product manager, and

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holding an MBA from UC Berkeley's hospital business.

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My career is built on understanding user needs, identifying systemic bottlenecks and designing

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solutions that balance multiple stakeholder interests.

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I apply for principles thinking to complex problems.

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This means I look for the fundamental intent behind regulation to ensure its implementation

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actually serves our communities objectives. My valence.

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Your work for managing a school community closet to working with the Ravenswood Education Foundation has reinforced my commitment to creating accessible, well-organized systems that serve everyone fairly.

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If appointed, I will focus on four specific objectives. One is improving process clarity, ensuring homeowners receive clear consistent documentation, regarding requirements and timelines from the very start.

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To strengthening consistency, standardizing how codes are interpreted so that outcomes are predictable and fair for all residents.

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Three, thoughtful preservation, supporting standards that genuinely protect our rural environment while questioning requirements that add cost without a clear community benefit.

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For fostering partnership, shifting the culture from adversarial, gay keeping to collaborative problem-solving.

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I believe our planning process should be a model of excellence, protecting what makes Los

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Autos Hills special, while treating residents with respect, I look forward to contributing

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my skills to help make that vision a reality.

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Thank you, any questions from the Council, Linda,

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then, Stan?

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I had a question, you actually went through the process of building the house here.

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What was the most difficult part of that for you?

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I think the most difficult part was kind of not really knowing how to do it, or the best way to do it, or to meet other regulations, and to make sure our architect and our GC, we're following that,

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seems like some of the roles we're changing and we're unclear and that added a lot of

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costs to it and there were a lot of kind of negotiations around the roles which also just added

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time and expense. Thank you. Thank you.

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Next up we have Katherine Frey.

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Good evening.

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My name is Katherine Fry. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak with you this morning.

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I've lived in Los Alto's Hills for more than 20 years and I've worked as a real estate broker in this community on the surrounding area for over 40 years.

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During this time, I've witnessed many changes, economic cycles, evolving regulations and shifting shifts in how communities approach growth and preservation.

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through it all, I've developed a deep respect for the thoughtful land use planning and environmental

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stewardship that have helped us out those hills, maintain its rural character and its high

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flow, it's quite a quality of life. My professional career has given me a practical understanding

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of how to planning decisions, effect homeowners, neighborhoods, and communities as a whole.

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I see firsthand how zoning, setbacks, environmental regulations, and design standards intersect

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with real people's lives.

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The experience has reinforced my belief that planning decisions must be grounded in adopted

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policies while also being fair, transparent, and mindful of long-term implications.

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In addition to my local experience, I've served for more than seven years as a director

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of the California Association of Realtors.

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And in that role, I served on

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environmental sustainability committee,

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formerly the Land Use Committee,

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as well as taxation and global business committees.

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The work exposed me to complex planning,

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environmental and regulatory issues at the state and national level,

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and underscored the importance of balance

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and well-informed decision-making.

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I've also spent time in Sacramento participating

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in legislative days with the Realtors.

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During those visits, I listened to discussions regarding regarding the housing elements,

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Mercedes across California, and spoke with legislators, and their aids about property rights,

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home ownership, and importance of diversity, transparency, public input, and public

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and public input in land use decisions.

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As a realtor, I've learned to negotiate problem solving and understand financial implications.

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But above all, I've learned the importance of listening carefully to all parties involved.

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That ability to listen is essential when perspectives differ or when emotions run high.

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And I believe it's valuable skill for planning commission service.

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While I have not yet attended a planning commission meeting,

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I'm committed to fully prepare for this role.

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I've reviewed and agreed with the required code of ethics and understand the importance of impartiality,

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transparency and respect for the public process, my interest in serving on the planning

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commission comes from a desire to give back to the community that's been my home

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for more than two decades. I value collaboration, fairness, and long-term stewardship,

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and I committed to working constructively with fellow commissioners, pound staff, residents,

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and the city council. I would be honored to bring my experience for today.

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we're out of time. And thank you for your presentation. Any questions from the Council for

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Ms. Free? Linda?

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Yeah.

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Sorry to have a question.

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Well, Ms. Free, if you would like to, there's a question for you.

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Hey, sorry to make you get back up again. But so the planning commission is a very important

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committee in our town and there's a significant amount of participation that you have to

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have in that committee, it's hours and hours from being sometimes up until one-third in the

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morning or you may be later. So what we're looking for is some way that can commit for the time

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and put in the effort for that committee. I definitely can do that. My husband has passed away.

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I am not fully involved in selling real estate now.

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I'm partially retired.

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I do tell people that are younger and more enthusiastic

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about selling, you know, and refer people.

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But I have the time and the patience and the ability to

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serve on that committee.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next up in.

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Hi.

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My name is Ann Shao.

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And I've been a resident of Los Alzos Hills since I was six.

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Just a little bit about me.

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I am a lawyer.

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And I, for my job, I have to read statutes and regulations.

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I have some part of the EDPs.

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D. So, I'm familiar with the town, the town people and sort of the regulations and everything that people at the deal with.

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I also did an owner build of that have gone through the planning stages and built an ADU and hope to build a house in the future, but that is to be seen.

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And then the reason why I want to join the planning commission is because I understand the importance of

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maintaining the real community, but I do think we also need to look towards the future and see what kind of community we want to build.

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And I do see fewer people like me who are here, like people who grew up here, people who want to come back but are unable to.

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So I think my perspective is a little different. That's about it. Do you have any questions?

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Yes, thanks for participating and for applying.

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I noticed in your application,

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you had a concern about preserving vegetation in town.

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And as a member of the Fire Commission,

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I'm often thinking, how do I get rid of vegetation in the town?

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How would you balance those things?

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I, it's a good question where you just had an ADPC meeting

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on Tuesday about this.

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I think you can do it carefully,

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so when it's like the radiant heat

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the members and the direct contact that are the issues.

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So when it comes to trees,

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limb up, and try to plant them away from your homes.

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But at the same time, I do think it's important to have

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a beautiful home, and just not concrete structures,

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or something that is the most fire safe.

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I think it's a balance.

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So I think we could do it thoughtfully.

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Like the zero, the zero foot to five foot's an I agree.

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Probably shouldn't plant anything there, but I don't think we should be living, saying, like, oh, we're going to definitely have a fire.

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So we should just completely raise everything to the ground.

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I think the rule community, or the beauty that everyone's been talking about, it's important to maintain plants, especially the bigger trees, redwoods, folks.

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So I think it's a balance. I do think there's also more science that we can look at someone on ADPCO saying maybe planting has actually been official because the soil can be cooler, but maybe we don't want to plant under trees exactly because that can ladder up.

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So I think it's a balance. I think there's a place we can get to. It's an interesting design challenge that I think landscape architects can work around.

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Right, thank you. Anybody else, Linda, Stan?

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Sure.

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I haven't issue with trees growing really tall over a long period of time.

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And the possibility of ensuring upon somebody else's view.

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Yep, we're done that too.

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Yes, okay. Now, do you have any opinions on that?

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What would you do?

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If a person ever had the treat that was like overgrown.

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Can you define a lot?

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A lot.

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Like obstructing, there used to be this thing called the million dollar view in Los

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Alto sales.

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And when you have no trees in front of you, you can see the view.

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And then after a while, the trees start growing.

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And then, pretty soon, you've lost a good portion of your view.

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So what are your opinions on topping?

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and on thinning and on eradication.

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I would rather top and thin and not eradicate.

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I think both the perspectives of the person with the view,

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which my parents have, and obviously they would love to go all the trees.

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But I do think the tree person's perspective is also important

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because it provides some screening.

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I really like plants.

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So I think it also provides the beauty that people here want to maintain.

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And so, I think you have to talk to your neighbor, work through it, but

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topping, thinning, you can still maintain the view.

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But I do think the other person's perspective with the tree is also really important.

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Any questions, Linda?

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Okay. I have a question.

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You've been through the process of getting an ADU built on your property.

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And you're also looking at building a home.

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Yep. In the experience you've had so far, is there anything you would have like to see changed in the way that

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town dealt with your application? Any rule or or issue that you ran into that was particularly burdensome?

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Nothing particularly burdensome. I think currently my biggest issue is with PG&E. One thing I will say is doing

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as an owner builds, I had to go talk to the town a lot, and the people in the town are very

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understanding and will work with you to get through most issues. I also had a great architect,

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so he got me through the planning process, pretty smoothly, and then I had to get through the building

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process. And overall, it went as soon as it could, I think, even with some hiccups.

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Okay, are you quite familiar with the building code that we have in town and those issues like

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Loth and you know MDA and MFA?

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A little bit.

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I was building out of the 2022 building code, so I don't know the 2025 one.

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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Appreciate your application.

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Go Bears.

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Double Bear.

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I'm sorry.

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Come on.

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Dear Mayor and members of the Town Council, thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this evening.

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It's an honor to be considered for service on the Los Alto Sales Planning Commission.

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I came to this country 35 years ago with $100 in my pocket.

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What America gave me was opportunity, responsibility, and gratitude.

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Living in Los Alto Sales represents all three

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and serving the town would indeed be a great privilege.

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I provided my background and applicable experience in my application.

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I'll not repeat that here in the interest of time.

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And I look forward to leveraging my analytical skills and my experience in running

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two design build firms that operate in many cities and many counties in the Bay Area.

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And of course, I have experienced building in Los Alto-Sills, subdivisions, entire homes,

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ADUs, and now SB9 projects as well.

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I'll bring all that experience and knowledge of best practices from other cities and other counties.

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Low cell to sales. But most importantly, I'm applying because I care deeply about how we grow, how we protect, and how we decide.

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After reviewing recent agendas, minutes and staff materials, it's clear that the commission's work is converging around three major implementation priorities.

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First, the housing element and compliance with our H&A regional housing needs assessment, not

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just as policy, but as real deliverables with deadlines, documentation, and a

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distraining of legal risk.

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I'll contribute by bringing a disciplined practical lens to questions of feasibility, consistency,

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and mitigation of risk.

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So the town space is compliant while remaining true to its values.

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Secondly, multi-family zoning in site-specific rezoning strategy.

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This is where plans become maps and maps become projects.

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Because I operate across multiple jurisdictions,

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and I've seen multiple priorities in different areas,

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I've seen how unclear zoning standards create confusion, delay, and mistrust.

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The goal is to get away from that and to help ensure that our zoning frameworks are

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understandable, internally consistent and predictable for both town residents, staff and

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applicants, simply an implementation is orderly and not reactive.

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And of course, if appointed, I commit to the following four things, do the homework through

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careful preparation, close reading of staff reports and thoughtful questions.

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Number two, be fair in persistence, consistent apply the general plan and municipal court

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transparently and lawfully support staff and carry out the vision and set forth by town council

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and governing documents.

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Thank you so much for the opportunity.

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Thank you.

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Any questions?

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I originally had a question about this construction business, but I think you've already answered

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that in your prepared presentation.

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Thank you.

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I noticed you haven't attended a planning commission meeting, although you've seen

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you have a lot of background in planning and building and contracting and designing in general.

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I was curious how is it that you weren't able to attend any of those kind of a little odd.

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I'm sorry, I couldn't understand the question, would you?

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I was curious about how come you haven't been able to attend the Signal Planning Commission meeting.

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I've been interested in basically reading the agendas, reading the minutes.

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That's what I've been focused on, but now I see that it's much more important to be here in person and attend those meetings.

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Okay, but it sounds like he has some great experience and we'd certainly appreciate the cross-pollination from other other jurisdictions that would be interesting.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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Next up, Malika.

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Good evening council.

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Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to present.

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My name is Melka Jeanette.

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I'm a resident of Los Altos Hills for 10 years.

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I'm a licensed architect and designs architects.

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I do a lot of work in the town and have been lucky to be part of this town for so long.

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You already have my application and my letters, so I won't go in detail.

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But I would want to touch upon a few things from there just for everybody who's here.

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I have been living here for 10 years, I have been in front of the council,

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I've been on various planning commission and other commission meetings.

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Town of Los Altos Hills has a very unique setup. One of my favorites, we do work all over the

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bay, but town of Los Altos Hills has certain things which attracts people back to the town.

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The planning stuff is super helpful. To be very honest, it's one of the towns which has the

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clear, most guidelines, if you know how to read them. They are very helpful as long as you

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to defy those guidelines. And if you stick to them, it actually goes very smoothly and like other cities.

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I have had standing and kind of ongoing working relationship with the down planning stuff. I've been

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helping them on and off as an advisor, especially with the ADUNSB9 implementation when it happened.

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In addition to my professional background here in the town, I was for six years of planning

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Commissioner for City of Los Alters. Right before I moved here, I still helped them during the

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COVID era with all the issues with the downtown committee. The mayor asked me to step in and

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help out with the revitalization, which was very important for the City of Los Alters. And I was

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honored to help as a whole. I believe particularly the goal of planning commission is to bring

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some sort of a bridge between, you know, we as residents and people who are actually coming in,

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you know, with emotions presenting what they have. Yes, there are issues with views,

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there are issues with trees. There's a lot of issues right now with the fire department,

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with the new implementation. A lot of people actually cannot even develop their properties

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because of restrictions on what the fire is putting through. So we understand that and I know it's

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very sensitive topic, how we bridge it is a very difficult position for commission and council,

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but that's our job or whoever's on that commission to try and help the neighbors and the residents

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see that side of work which normally gets missed because emotions take over. So that is what

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excited me in my six years as a planning commissioner in Los Alto and my hope is I help a lot of

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residents here, a lot of our neighbors go through this process, explain them how to deal with

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it, and I'm hoping I can just bring back to the council.

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Thank you so much.

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Any questions, Linda?

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Stan?

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So I had a question.

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Obviously, you've done a lot of architecture work both in town and in the neighbouring areas.

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Is there something in our standards or building code that you, in our rules that we have some unique rules as you know that you would change?

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So first of all, I think the down website needs to be updated.

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The forms are out of date.

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Talk about the planning.

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Yeah, that's very important because a lot of people actually use those forms to implement and then they find out that the forms are not updated.

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it's 2021 or 2001. So those needs to be updated as a change to be very honest I think the

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council has to give more incentives so that professionals and residents have incentives to build

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outside the setbacks for the ADUs in SB 9s. I think they should be some incentives for the

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MDA calculation because there are a lot of technologies now out there where the water is actually

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100% going through but the town does not recognize those materials so the people have big properties and

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As you know, in this day and age, when we have a lot of mental health issues, I encourage our clients to have outdoor spaces that kids can hang out and play, but because of the MDA sometimes we just can't.

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And there are, and that's something I would love to be part of to just show there are materials which are available. A lot of other counties are using it where we can give MDA back so that people can actually develop their properties and still take care of the sustainability of land.

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That is something which is very important and the other is fire.

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I think we need to have a committee which works with the fire department to come up with some solution to help the residents right now because there's a lot of properties.

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Further up in the hills which actually cannot develop because they need at least half a mile or quarter mile roadbiting which doesn't even.

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It's not even their properties.

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so it makes it financially a burden. We have a retired teacher who wanted to just put an

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aid in you and she cannot because means she'll have to pay a gun on that road. So it's a long

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answer but there's a lot of things like that that I think we can work as a commission to help them

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prove. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Next up we have John. John Biber. Okay.

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Hi, my name is John Fiverr, it's a pleasure to be here talking to all of you. I've been a resident

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of this town for for many, many years. I was here when the quarry was still a quarry and I played

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in it and the San Antonio still private. I love this town. I loved how it's evolved over the years.

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It's a very unique and special place to me.

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I also appreciate how the town has really worked

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to partner with the citizens and make this a better place

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in a great place to be.

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I built my house in 2003 and had an actual

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wonderful time with the city.

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It was a little bit of a surprise to me.

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But the people and the rules and the regulations were great.

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Someone else mentioned a problem with PG&E.

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That was my experience as well.

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But everybody else was really wonderful.

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You know, some of the things I can bring is my background.

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I'm retired right now.

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And I have a background in global real estate and facilities.

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And so I represented major corporations in the Bay Area with all the real estate.

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And in that real estate element, we did a lot of development and building worldwide, so I'm quite familiar with girls and regulations and how to work through those things and partnering up with local jurisdictions.

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I believe in finding win-win solutions that can can work to maintain the character of the community, plus the rights of a property owner.

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I wish I had more prepared comments for you, but that's kind of about it.

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Is there any questions?

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Any questions?

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Your mic is in on the ear.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next up, Henry Richie.

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Henry Richie.

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And maybe I'll give him a minute.

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Can we move on to Danielle?

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What do we wait?

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Danielle is Sue.

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Yes.

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I don't I don't think either one of those people are here and I don't see them online

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And if you heard your name called please raise your hand on zoom

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I just do not see anyone under that name as an attendee and no one is raising their hand

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Okay, I think at this point we need to bring it to a vote right or I don't think there's any discussion right so

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Can we take public comment before we move to the world?

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Okay, good idea.

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Thank you.

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So any public comments on this item?

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Yes.

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I'll throw my support because I'm dead.

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You need to come to the mic and you have two minutes.

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I'll throw my support behind Monica because she was unbelievable at helping us navigate all the ins and outs of building a home here in Los Saltos Hills.

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I know she really understands the needs of all the various participants in the decisions being made.

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And does a fantastic job of navigating tough conversations, keeping tempers low and making sure that everyone is able to kind of find them on the ground.

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I really appreciate someone who has mad skills in project management.

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It's something that's very much needed.

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And I hate to say it, but I'm a little bit wary of someone who makes their money on building large contractor builds, having say over how our regulations are written.

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So, my personal thoughts. Thank you.

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Brigitte. Hi, Brigitte. I just want to say that I was really thrilled to see so many applicants here for the planning commission.

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And I want to urge all the applicants to please, please, please join our volunteer committees

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and become a part of the fabric that makes our towns so great.

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So whoever, because there's only one position that can get filled, but there's so many applicants.

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So in case you don't get the position, please join EDPC, pathways, open space, technology,

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EIC, FIC, EPRC, there's like 12 of them.

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Anyway, that we're a great community. I welcome you all to join in and become a part of that.

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So you understand how our our our town operates, because this will not be the first time we will need these positions filled with that I'll leave it to you.

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Thank you.

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May I say that I was saving up my comments and but Brigida said it all just better than I could have.

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And I do want to say, first of all, I'd like to give a round of applause to all the applicants.

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So thank you.

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We do have a number of openings in various committees and I'll just read out a few of them.

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Emergency preparedness response has two vacancies.

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Environmental design and protection committee has one.

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the Environmental Initiatives as three vacancies,

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the History Committee as three,

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the Library Commission as one,

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pathways has four,

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so they really need people.

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Of course, we have planning commission today.

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And then public art has a lot of vacancies as well. So if you want to help purify the town, public art is a great place to be as well. So with that, I think we'll have to bring it to a vote. And we have to take a ballot. Is that right?

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Yes. And we have one person with a hair raised on Zoom. Okay. Let's do that.

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George.

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Oh, yes. I'm sorry. My hand was up for general comment. I'm sorry to interrupt.

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Okay, we'll come back to you.

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All right.

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So I guess we have some balance we got to fill out.

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And I think you're going to do yours online.

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Yeah.

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Suggested so that everyone in the audience knows that we're passing out a paper ballad.

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All the council will submit one vote.

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And after that vote is cast.

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We will collect the ballads.

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Linda, who is participating remotely.

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will verbally state who she voted for, then we'll get all the little tally up all the votes.

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At person needs to have received three votes in order to be appointed. So if there isn't one

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candidate that has received three, the council will then deliberate and another ballot will be cast.

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And I do want to say we really appreciate the commitment and the talents that we saw here today.

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And, you know, thank you very much for this is a really important activity, a really important role in the town, the planning commission,

449
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actually the meetings on the planning commission go far longer than they do for the council, we have the easy job, they have the harder job.

450
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,930
So.

451
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:14,430
Mayor Mayer, mayer, of course.

452
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:18,330
I'm so disappointed at this point in time.

453
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:24,730
I have only been given one vote. There are seven people that I would like to vote for.

454
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:29,370
With gratitude, I'd like to thank all of you for applying for the position.

455
00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:35,470
I think that you're initiative to apply is very important.

456
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:39,570
Because what you want to do is you want to give back to your community.

457
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:43,570
You've enjoyed this community. You've benefited from this community.

458
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:51,090
You really love this community. You want to give back and I really appreciate that. So thank you very much for that as well.

459
00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:59,750
All of you presented very well. And I think that for the most part, I'll say everybody in this case.

460
00:40:00,110 --> 00:40:04,230
You were very knowledgeable as well. So thank you for being here today.

461
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:09,970
Okay. I've collected all of the bad ones.

462
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:12,870
We get lindos. She didn't want to speak.

463
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:15,690
Yeah, go ahead.

464
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:17,170
I just wanted to say all green.

465
00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:19,590
Think your volume is very low.

466
00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:20,430
Thank you so much.

467
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:21,470
Thank you so much.

468
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:23,190
On her end.

469
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:24,650
Mark and you.

470
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:26,590
I ended.

471
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:29,050
Do you happen to have another microphone setting?

472
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:31,170
I think you may be going off of your air pods,

473
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,130
which are muffled on our end.

474
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:34,750
So see if you can go off of your.

475
00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:35,810
You're going to take a lot.

476
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:36,690
Yeah.

477
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:37,650
Is that better?

478
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:38,730
Yeah, that sounds better.

479
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:39,170
Yes.

480
00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:39,830
Okay.

481
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Oh.

482
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,000
And then we, oh, sorry.

483
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,060
Oh, love this town.

484
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,020
And we appreciate everybody's equipment.

485
00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:52,480
It's making it better.

486
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,000
And I agree that if you do not get this planning commission position,

487
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,140
we have a lot of openings that would benefit from your breath,

488
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,120
expertise and knowledge and love a town that you've expressed.

489
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
I love it. I love it for another committee.

490
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:20,310
Do you know that sound runs on volunteers?

491
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:25,210
That is just one of express appreciation for your commitment to the team.

492
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:31,910
Linda, if you happen to have your air pods in your hand, it sometimes activates the microphone.

493
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:35,010
Just put them in the case and then it will be off.

494
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,620
All right. So put them in the case or something.

495
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:43,880
They'll have to go get it, but we'll just leave it at that for right now.

496
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:45,200
It's not bad.

497
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,620
And I will say a little birdie told me it is possible we might have another position open

498
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,080
at the end of this year.

499
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,900
So, if at first you don't make it come back.

500
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,280
Linda, can you tell me who you would like to see on the planning commission this time?

501
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:13,280
Yes, I would like am, but I can't say a last name, I can't remember how you say it.

502
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:15,240
Can you help with that?

503
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:16,980
Shout out.

504
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:17,460
Yes.

505
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,340
And shout out for you.

506
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:23,870
Mayor, I do not have three votes for one candidate.

507
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:27,170
I have a split two and two.

508
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:29,430
So we're going to redo the vote.

509
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:32,450
I have two for Anne and two for Malica.

510
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:36,770
So we're going to redo the vote and I'm going to remove some names.

511
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:39,150
And we're

512
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:49,240
going to pass out the ballot again and it is up to the counts of discretion if you should want to start a limiting names to

513
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,440
Make the selection process easier as the suggestion from staff

514
00:43:00,060 --> 00:43:05,120
I think we pretty much have one somebody has to change the vote because we're still doing too

515
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:14,730
This is like choosing a new pope

516
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:17,830
There's less smoke though

517
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:21,050
Yes, that's why it's not your head.

518
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:22,550
Who are you, Anne?

519
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,400
Okay, I've collected the ballots, Linda.

520
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,820
Who would you want to appoint to plan a commission?

521
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:45,580
I'll also go with Anne.

522
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Okay, guys.

523
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,780
We are at a two-two boat again.

524
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:51,820
So we're going to do it again.

525
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:58,850
And we're going to do it again.

526
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:59,290
And we're going to do it again.

527
00:43:59,290 --> 00:44:00,050
How's she going to approach?

528
00:44:00,470 --> 00:44:01,170
How's she going to do it again?

529
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:03,350
How's she going to do it again?

530
00:44:03,350 --> 00:44:03,410
Yes.

531
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:03,670
Yes.

532
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:08,240
There can be Council, though.

533
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,960
I think we should have the discussion.

534
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,020
Yeah.

535
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,620
You already voted.

536
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Is it okay to have a discussion?

537
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Yes, by all means.

538
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:21,460
You can have a discussion.

539
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:22,040
Okay.

540
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,160
Well, let's open it up for discussion.

541
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,020
Who would like to speak first?

542
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:40,220
Well, I can I say that I voted for Anne because she has been on a committee in town

543
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:45,800
before and I think it's important to get used to how the town operates and how committee

544
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:52,640
committees operate and the planning commission is second only to the council in the amount

545
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:59,660
of time and effort that you're going to have to put in and so having some volunteer experience

546
00:44:59,660 --> 00:44:59,980
I think.

547
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,160
It is important.

548
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:34,850
I too believe that the experience is very important. However, I am to warn quite frankly, because the choices are such good choices. I don't. I'd like to have them both. However, I think that the fact that Anne has served on another committee for a long time and the fact that she has built her own ADU.

549
00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:45,010
It's like she does have some significant experience in those areas that we're looking at for the town I think that she would do a good job

550
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:54,330
I think she probably has the time to do it as I've talked about time and I'm not sure Malika is it's a huge time sink

551
00:45:55,890 --> 00:45:56,530
huge

552
00:45:59,870 --> 00:46:06,770
But I could flip the coin, however, when I did it, it was Anne and I did it because of some

553
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:08,810
experience that she's had in the past.

554
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,460
You know, I want to address that time issue because you were very clear on that initially with your comments.

555
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:23,160
Okay. In fact, I was worried you were going to scare. There was going to be a rush for the exits after you spoke before.

556
00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:29,480
But you know what? I trust people to manage their schedule just like when people say how do you do all these things?

557
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:37,000
It's just I find out a way because it's important to me. And so what struck me here, yes, past volunteer, but but also

558
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:47,180
Working in a committee and having a I feel like the planning commission experience that money could bring here and then let's face it when it came to and this is a kind of thing

559
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:48,180
You can't really practice

560
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:58,880
response to questions, I thought she gave, she knocked it out of the park in terms of thoughtful, really relevant issues of what she would work on and I thought those were good things to work on.

561
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:08,180
So that's what prompted me to vote that way. Not a dig at anybody else. I saw many people I would vote here as I think we've already expressed, but I think that that tip me over.

562
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Yeah, for me also, it was a choice between Anne and Malika, and for the reasons that I've already been explained.

563
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:28,940
Mike, Mike, thinking on this is, who is the best person who will be able to add the most value in this position?

564
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:36,860
And somebody who has served an applying commission before, who has had a lot of experience with architecture,

565
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:41,000
with building not only lost autosales, but other towns.

566
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,640
The insights that she shared,

567
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:50,540
that Monica shared about what she would change,

568
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,240
a very specific, the fact that she's interacted with staff

569
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,260
as familiar with the inner workings of the town.

570
00:47:57,980 --> 00:48:00,780
The Plan Commission requires a lot of heavy lifting

571
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:05,220
and to be fair when I ask and those some questions.

572
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:09,760
She was a little less, she was a little more tentative.

573
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:14,740
I think it was a heart and a right place, and I think with a little bit more of a familiarity

574
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:20,020
with what's involved with planning and could be a tremendous asset on the planning commission.

575
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:28,180
And I would hope that out of both of you, whichever one doesn't get at this time, I hope

576
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:32,260
you'll consider applying it the end of the year, because like I said, some little birdy told

577
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:40,520
me there being another opening, but I think by far and away what we need right now with the

578
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:47,180
many challenges in town with building, with producing housing, with all of the nuances

579
00:48:47,180 --> 00:48:53,480
that come up and the issues that Malika talked about with MDA and the details, you know, the

580
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,220
detail insights that she has, I think she'd be a tremendous asset to the tell.

581
00:48:58,220 --> 00:48:58,780
public

582
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:06,090
comment is any opportunity to comment?

583
00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:08,090
Public comment?

584
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:13,410
We already did public comment, so it's up to Council if you want to.

585
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:15,310
Sir, Sir, I did an impasse.

586
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:17,270
Let's go ahead and take public comment.

587
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:18,230
You have two minutes.

588
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,180
First of all, I know Malika and I know I am.

589
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,700
So this is a very difficult thing to make public comment on,

590
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,340
but it's a question and a question really for Malika.

591
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:45,480
If you're operating as an architect in Los Alters Hills, you're going to have clients in Los Alters Hills,

592
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:54,260
and it may well be that those clients' projects for which you're the architect come to the planning commission.

593
00:49:55,780 --> 00:49:58,320
I believe that means you would have to recuse yourself.

594
00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:05,420
So, that would put the planning commission to be in four people, as opposed to being five.

595
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,560
And I've been quite a few planning commission meetings.

596
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:17,500
And I would say that they don't all necessarily call a less around one opinion.

597
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,720
So that would be my, I think both are great candidates.

598
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:34,620
I think Anne represents one thing which I hope you've heard me talk about it before, but I

599
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:42,360
don't know if people called on to it. I think she represents an issue with this town, and

600
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,840
hopefully she would contribute to helping fix it, which is we need to create opportunities

601
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:56,440
is for legacy people that have grown up in the town, come back to the town to be able to continue

602
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,040
to contribute and bring up their families in town.

603
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:11,180
But my main question is to Malika, which is how she would deal with the conflict of interest

604
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:12,860
and having to re-cus yourself.

605
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,380
Thank you.

606
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:15,440
Thank you, John.

607
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:18,810
Anyone else?

608
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,140
Oh, would you? Yeah, you could respond.

609
00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:34,150
I John, thank you so much. In 25 plus years that I've been working in the down-of-loss

610
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:39,690
altos hills, I think we have come in front of planning commission with my projects maybe six times.

611
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:47,510
Recently, one with John is aware of, we all know that we know most of the people in the down,

612
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:54,110
Sometimes we have to recuse either with because we are either very close friendships or we are in business and one way or the other

613
00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:56,350
So I know that's when it happened

614
00:51:56,350 --> 00:52:02,750
but my focus is going to be on what we as planning commissioners can deliver for the town

615
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:10,870
Which is the problem that you're already facing so it's not just that one meeting for that town or that neighbor or that project

616
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:13,630
It is how do we make it so that

617
00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:16,210
less people are actually coming to planning commission.

618
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:18,910
Because I think the beauty of Los Altos Hills

619
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:22,210
versus other cities is that the way we have things set up

620
00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:23,710
as long as you follow them,

621
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:26,250
you don't have to be in front of planning commission,

622
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:28,250
you don't have to be in front of the council.

623
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:29,970
But how do we...

624
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,580
Exit in back or behind the scenes is what I'm more interested in. But yes, of course, I will have to

625
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:44,060
recuse myself. And I think we've had council or planning commissioners who've been in business with other residents and they

626
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:51,200
had to recuse themselves. I think that's just part of doing that. Thank you. And I think to be fair,

627
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:57,740
I think commissioners do have to recuse, for example, if they are living close to a property or they're impacted with a

628
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:01,960
by visually, by a property that they have to adjudicate.

629
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,740
So it's not only a matter of being an architect,

630
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:09,600
but it's also a matter of where you are,

631
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:14,920
and how the geography impacts your ability to participate.

632
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:20,180
So we are an impasse, oh, sorry, we have one more public slide.

633
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,400
I'd just like to say listening to the presentations,

634
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,880
looking at, you know, comparing volunteering on one of our committees to six years of actually

635
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,300
being on a planning commission, I think, you know, clearly offsets the fact that she hasn't

636
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:42,320
been on committee in our town. And I really appreciate all the issues that you raised that are

637
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:49,220
really critical, dealing with the fire department, providing incentives. Those are all really

638
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:55,060
things that we need to look at, and that our challenges we're facing, and so the fact that

639
00:53:55,060 --> 00:53:58,860
Malikas had experienced with that, I think, puts my vote in her camp.

640
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:01,860
Thank you.

641
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,240
Brigitte.

642
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:04,200
Okay.

643
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,140
So there are pros and cons here in both sides to make it even more easier.

644
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,340
I think Anne has, you know, had great exposure being on EDPC because they've been dealing

645
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:18,860
with issues with housing element, you know, between having to help us with the objective design

646
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:24,260
standards. We've continually gone back to EDPC to kind of vet out how we were going to do the

647
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:30,600
multifamily objective design standards. And that's something that did not exist when Malika was

648
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,540
on the planning commission for Los Alzos, which is dealing with commercials that was pre-pandemic,

649
00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:41,120
pre-housing elements, just to be aware that the housing element is part of the biggest task we have

650
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:48,840
currently before planning commission right now. And having knowing our municipal codes and how we're

651
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,700
objective design standards and implementing these other programs we've got that we have to

652
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:58,700
hit by the mandates, something you need to really consider. We are not a board that we're going

653
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:06,100
to decide on how to do certain things like we don't set permit fees. We don't look at the bigger picture

654
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:07,980
housing on it. Thank you.

655
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:21,450
If you want.

656
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,360
And if you would like to say anything further, we're wanting

657
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,380
here for you, but that's up to you.

658
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:46,320
I think building a little bit on the housing element, if that's what's the focus, is I did

659
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:52,460
work with EDPC on the objective design standards and I think I do understand how difficult

660
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:59,980
it is to both go forward and change it so that applies to the multi-housing units, but also

661
00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:03,560
at some point they also interacted with residential codes.

662
00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:07,800
And to be fair, I don't know if I spent enough time

663
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,680
piecing those two pieces together, but I know Jay

664
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,040
and the teams did a really great job trying to make sure

665
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,440
that it was consistent across the different code sections.

666
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,060
So I think if I were on this planning commission,

667
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:24,700
I would spend a little bit more time

668
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:28,060
delving into the codes and regulations, which I do for my job

669
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:36,040
and making sure that both what we do in the future still keeps what we want to do.

670
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:43,300
I'm not as good at speaking as Malika, 100%, but also maintains what we want, but also

671
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:48,240
looks forward to make sure that we are building community for the housing element and making sure

672
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,940
that we are also embracing them and not just trying to shut them in a corner.

673
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:55,940
Do you have any questions?

674
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:01,300
Not for me. Anyone else? Okay. Thank you.

675
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:02,180
Please, Stanley.

676
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,360
Can we make it easier for Stan that's getting very difficult here?

677
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:13,740
Well,

678
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:21,010
I think music does.

679
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,980
It's hard.

680
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:33,970
Linda, any other thoughts?

681
00:57:36,930 --> 00:57:40,810
I still think that Anne is the best choice for right now.

682
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:46,050
if someone another one comes up in the end of the year and I would definitely think

683
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:47,810
Monika has a possibility so.

684
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,120
I need conversation that council's having does need to be on the market.

685
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,860
We will have another opening later this year.

686
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,020
Can we have a right of a free zone, first right if you use all two.

687
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:08,060
I think that's what we have to do.

688
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:11,460
So maybe the city attorney can advise us,

689
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,600
I think we just need to choose a candidate right now.

690
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,580
Yeah, correct.

691
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:18,180
I would say correct, and it sounds getting consensus

692
00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:21,300
that you're going towards two applicants,

693
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,740
essentially what we need is emotion.

694
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:24,800
And the ballot was just a tool to get to emotion.

695
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,660
So you could cast, you could put a motion on the floor,

696
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,320
and you saw someone could second it,

697
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:31,020
and they could call a roll call vote.

698
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:32,460
That's an option.

699
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:35,080
Okay, I moved it, we get a point, and.

700
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:37,060
I seconded that.

701
00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:45,230
Yes, yes, we got to take a vote. Let's take the vote. That's fine.

702
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:56,830
Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swan. Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson. No. Mayor Battasia. No.

703
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:00,540
I would like to make a motion.

704
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,680
I would like to move that we appoint Malika Jenae to the Planning Commission.

705
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:06,920
Second.

706
00:59:09,090 --> 00:59:12,230
Let's take a vote. Councilmember Mark. No.

707
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,820
Councilmember Swan. No.

708
00:59:19,460 --> 00:59:27,480
Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes. Mayor Beteja? Yes. This is where we would have really benefited from having

709
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:35,660
Kavita, but she has had to refuse, so I'm going to blame her for this, but City Attorney, we need

710
00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:42,280
to move, we need to move on from this issue, looks like we're deadlocked. What is the process? Should

711
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,320
we just come back to it at another meeting? Yeah, I mean, ultimately the council does need to reach

712
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:54,580
three votes to appoint somebody. You can continue the item and come back to it. If you like,

713
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,780
you mean later today or another meeting.

714
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:17,840
You can do it either way. I'm hearing that you, the ideas to come back to another day. There's a suggestion that candidates can pour, you can, you know, give direction, candidates can provide additional information. If you like that.

715
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:31,000
Let me, let me ask, the conflict that Kavita had was it with Malika and Anna was it somebody who's now been eliminated, which, which means Kavita could now vote.

716
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,920
David is conflicted is with one of the current of the two applicants.

717
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,620
This kind of points out the problem is somebody has to

718
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:47,580
recuse at the planning commission.

719
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,520
And you may end up with the two to all.

720
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:49,800
Okay.

721
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,380
I move that we move this item to the end of today's meeting.

722
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,500
And if we can't decide, then we'll move it to a future meeting.

723
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:06,200
But I apologize for how long it's taken, it's kind of a difficult decision between two really outstanding candidates.

724
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:09,660
So thank you for your patience with that.

725
01:01:09,780 --> 01:01:11,360
If that was a question, I second it.

726
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,680
Second, can we take a vote on that?

727
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Consider it at the end of this meeting, or if we can't decide to move it to a future meeting.

728
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:22,620
Okay, Council Member Mark?

729
01:01:22,860 --> 01:01:23,140
Yes.

730
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,100
Council Member Swan?

731
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,060
Yes.

732
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,660
Vice Mayor Tyson?

733
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Yes.

734
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,260
Mayor Battasia. Finally yes. Thank you.

735
01:01:36,550 --> 01:01:37,670
Sorry that took so long.

736
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:38,310
Not at all.

737
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:41,130
All right.

738
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:42,490
Next Sunday.

739
01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:47,470
Thank you.

740
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:50,490
Next on the agenda is public comment.

741
01:01:51,590 --> 01:01:56,870
Worse than wishing to address the council and any subject not on the agenda may do so now.

742
01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:00,550
Please complete a speaker card located on the back table of the council chambers

743
01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,630
and submitted to the City Clerk over here.

744
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:06,090
Comments are limited to two minutes per speaker.

745
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:12,170
California law prohibits the Council from acting on items that do not appear on the agenda.

746
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,570
Under a resolution previously adopted by the Council,

747
01:02:15,830 --> 01:02:19,270
such items can be referred to staff for a property action,

748
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:22,630
which may include placement on the next available agenda.

749
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:26,090
Are there any members of the public president in the chambers,

750
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:27,530
which to make a public comment?

751
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:33,770
If so, please come forward to the podium, state your name for the record and your address, and you will have two minutes to speak.

752
01:02:34,590 --> 01:02:40,070
Mayor, I have a nice amount of residents. Is it okay if I cannot call them up three out of time?

753
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:46,670
Yeah. Can we go with Erin, Vittas, Hyrie, and Ron, Hayway?

754
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:49,670
And then we'll go to the next three.

755
01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:03,600
Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to give my personal experience with the O'Keef Preserve.

756
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:09,540
preserve and open space preserve there because we are adjacent to it. Our property is so

757
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,660
it's it's been it's been an absolute privilege to live there because we we've been there for about five years now and

758
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:23,100
it really was actually one of the reasons why we chose that property because we were just big nature

759
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:30,220
lovers but so we go walking and we see I mean we probably will go over the time but I would love to talk

760
01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:32,360
about, I've seen like, you've seen hot families,

761
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,300
we've seen raccoon families, we hear the coyotes at night,

762
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,460
we hear owls, we see, I even seen a bobcat, actually,

763
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,280
and it's just beautiful, beautiful creature.

764
01:03:44,860 --> 01:03:48,620
And I think they might be passing in that creek corridor

765
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:50,800
under the freeway from foothill,

766
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:55,540
because there's the beautiful creek right in that area

767
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:58,420
that there's little duck families and everything.

768
01:03:58,420 --> 01:04:03,180
So I could, like, if I had the talent, I could have done like a David Attenborough documentary

769
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:05,740
about how beautiful this preserve is.

770
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,100
But maybe if you drive by it, you don't think there are animals there, but there are tons

771
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,300
of animals there.

772
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:17,500
And I just fear that, I mean, if we, if we converted a building from like a single family

773
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:21,120
to a duplex, it's not a huge impact on the environment.

774
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:27,200
But if we pave over an open space preserve, that's a giant impact that is really difficult

775
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:35,880
to reverse. So yeah I just want everyone to know how valuable that place is and I think we should

776
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,500
consider that it's not just ours. Thank you. Thank you.

777
01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:51,930
I am here. I also live there and I just

778
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:57,310
wanted to say how wonderful it is we can walk our dog there and how nice it is to have the

779
01:04:57,310 --> 01:05:02,590
field and all the animals there and that it's just a wonderful thing to have and it adds a lot to

780
01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:09,930
Saltoes. Thank you. Yeah. And I would just ask the audience. So please refrain from responding.

781
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:15,670
We want to be respectful of all views no matter what they are. And so just be respectful and

782
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:20,890
listen to everybody without any, you know, applause or response. Thank you very much.

783
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:25,400
We also

784
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:32,140
want to say we did our family Christmas photo there. It was really nice to have and we put it on

785
01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:38,960
Christmas card, it's over here. So yeah. Thank you. If you want to see it, I can

786
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,880
break it up there.

787
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:44,710
Thank

788
01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:49,130
you.

789
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,160
On Hayley's next.

790
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:58,540
Hello, I'm Ron Hayley. I've been, I'm on Lorraine, it's part of the

791
01:05:58,540 --> 01:06:04,500
O'Keefe thing. It's been there for 37 years. It's been great. I'm a little worried

792
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,340
about what you're trying to do to us. I understand you've been working this

793
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:15,560
issue for around about the three years, but two of the three options that you actually have

794
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:21,200
in front of Sacramento right now, I really could put, you know, foot hill has already

795
01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:31,740
met the housing element by purchasing for the staff, and has put the student,

796
01:06:35,070 --> 01:06:40,630
they've

797
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:48,670
And in fact, the demographic they're putting there with low-income housing next to a private Catholic school has zero chance of happening.

798
01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:55,910
So telling us that O.Keefe is just a backup or an emergency just doesn't ring true.

799
01:06:56,510 --> 01:07:02,890
Second, pushing this as a citizens initiative is very deceptive.

800
01:07:02,890 --> 01:07:08,750
Remember the film, just don't look up, well that's what we're looking at here.

801
01:07:08,770 --> 01:07:15,410
Those that have looked up see clearly that this is very much a council-driven initiative.

802
01:07:16,350 --> 01:07:22,650
Now the other thing is this is a state mandate, but the state isn't telling us how to do this.

803
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:24,310
this is up to you guys,

804
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:28,430
and the town has,

805
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,400
Tools that it's disposal to make this work, imminent to Maine and zoning. There's 28 vacant

806
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:44,900
loads in the town of Los Elders Hills. 10 units per lotch 280 units, and there's nothing stopping

807
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:54,320
the town using imminent to Maine to take those lots and to build on them, and with 280 units

808
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,920
and 30% of that at low cost meets our objective.

809
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Thank you.

810
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,900
The next three I have with Susan Stark,

811
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,120
Jennifer Capiris and ERA.

812
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:22,550
Hello, I'm Susan Stark and I live on Contataway,

813
01:08:22,750 --> 01:08:26,570
which is adjacent to the O'Keefe Open Space Preserve.

814
01:08:27,170 --> 01:08:30,350
Open Space isn't a perk for living in Los Houthos Hills.

815
01:08:30,350 --> 01:08:32,570
It's foundational to our community.

816
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:34,310
It's part of our fabric.

817
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:41,510
it's the reason people choose to live here and it's also why the voters chose to permanently

818
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:51,370
protect it in perpetuity. Not just the O'Keefe Preserve but open spaces across our town and

819
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:58,050
you don't have a mandate to undo that. In fact you have the opposite. You have a mandate to honor it.

820
01:08:58,050 --> 01:09:04,830
Yet, here we are, the Council, each of you, drafted a ballot measure to rezone protected

821
01:09:04,830 --> 01:09:07,790
open space for high-density housing.

822
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:13,570
And records that have been obtained through the California Public Records Act show coordination

823
01:09:13,570 --> 01:09:20,090
between Council members, staff, and hand-picked Rev. residents to manufacture the appearance

824
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:24,810
of grassroots support for a town council-driven initiative.

825
01:09:24,810 --> 01:09:28,390
That process raises serious legal concerns.

826
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:34,230
The demand letter that you've received from attorney Saffron, that was sent to the city

827
01:09:34,230 --> 01:09:39,710
attorney and to each of you, identify specific brown act and seek evaluations.

828
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:47,850
Back-channel communications, off-agenda deliberations, and apparent circumventions of environmental

829
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:48,490
review.

830
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:55,490
These are statutes enacted to protect the public from exactly this kind of maneuvering.

831
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:59,270
Every available legal avenue will be pursued.

832
01:10:00,110 --> 01:10:03,710
Litigation is not inevitable. This council can withdraw the initiative.

833
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:12,590
You can direct staff to identify housing sites that don't require bulldozing nature preserves that voters have already chosen to protect.

834
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:19,450
I ask the mayor and each council member once an open space is resowned in developed, it's gone forever.

835
01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:22,230
Is this the legacy you want?

836
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:24,690
Build housing thoughtfully build it.

837
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:25,250
Thank you.

838
01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:27,550
Not on open spaces.

839
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:28,670
Thank you.

840
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:39,090
It's Jennifer.

841
01:10:39,450 --> 01:10:39,530
Yes.

842
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:40,090
I'm sorry.

843
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:41,550
And then followed by ERA.

844
01:10:42,910 --> 01:10:43,650
Hi there.

845
01:10:44,410 --> 01:10:45,910
Again, Jennifer comparison.

846
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:47,710
Some local environmentalists.

847
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:51,480
I've been involved with land use issues in Silicon Valley for 24 years.

848
01:10:51,480 --> 01:11:04,210
I've been involved with several initiatives in the Bay Area and I watched my late mom create the 2002 open space initiative that protects so key.

849
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:11,390
I just had two quick points. Number one, I totally opposed any development on the preserve.

850
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:18,970
I believe been in a town with almost 6,000 acres that you can find a few places that are not designated as open space,

851
01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:24,470
that are not sensitive wildlife habitat and that do not have a creek running through them.

852
01:11:24,670 --> 01:11:31,650
My other comment was that in the town prior, I believe Mayor Patasia stated something to

853
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:35,350
the effect that he believes that the council has not violated seek what.

854
01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:42,850
Perhaps the town hasn't violated seek what because perhaps the town is trying to avoid

855
01:11:42,850 --> 01:11:48,430
dealing with seek what. So if you don't want to have an environmental impact report done on

856
01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:54,610
possible development, that should be an indication to you that the open space preserve is not an appropriate

857
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:57,030
location for housing. Thank you.

858
01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:12,340
I'm Eronangia and I live on Okiflaine. Thanks for giving me the

859
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:19,020
chance to voice my opinions. So I had heard rumors of the possibility of Okiflaza being converted into

860
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:26,480
housing. Driven by this, I attended the City Council meeting on November 17, and then subsequently

861
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,660
When we went back and listened to the recordings of the October 29 meeting, I was genuinely surprised

862
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:35,980
by the Council's detailed discussion on the next steps.

863
01:12:36,820 --> 01:12:41,380
They dove into the Mechanics of the Citizens Initiative, discussing the steps to target

864
01:12:41,380 --> 01:12:43,320
a mid-year or November ballot.

865
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:46,760
The Council members even discussed the number of signatures required.

866
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,360
There was also talk of the advantage of pursuing a Citizens Initiative which would bypass

867
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:56,760
in contrast to a council initiative that must adhere to

868
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,780
the secret. To me, it was evident that this council was eager to

869
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:04,140
follow this path and was willing to guide the initiative forward

870
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:07,840
as a citizen initiative to facilitate its passage.

871
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,400
Statements such as, we need to get working an O.Keef right away.

872
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,260
Do the citizen initiative regarding O.Keef and see if you can get it done

873
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:21,300
quickly. Start working on it right away. We can make it happen.

874
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:29,300
After listening to their recordings, I find it very hard to believe that the Council did not have a strong hand in this plan.

875
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:32,240
This is misleading and unfair to the community.

876
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:41,300
If the Council does truly believe removing Oki preserves open space designation, which I strongly believe is a wrong move and shouldn't happen.

877
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:48,220
But if they do believe that and subsequently building a housing there, if they think that's a correct policy,

878
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:51,980
Then they should follow the correct processes required by the Council's

879
01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:54,800
sponsor Initiative and go through the whole environmental review.

880
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,000
Thank you.

881
01:13:58,340 --> 01:13:58,820
The next three minutes.

882
01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:59,920
Thank you.

883
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:04,860
The next three minutes is Ayam Mathiche and Varsheed.

884
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:05,480
Varsheed?

885
01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:13,970
Hi.

886
01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:14,690
Good evening.

887
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:19,130
My name is Ayam and I am a youth in Los Altos Hills.

888
01:14:20,110 --> 01:14:21,850
I really love our open spaces.

889
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:24,270
They're a part of my everyday life.

890
01:14:24,270 --> 01:14:33,630
I go running every day on the O.K.'s preserve, and it just really helps me just clear my head, and just really supports my mental well-being.

891
01:14:35,790 --> 01:14:43,370
So, I've done some research and saw some things about this housing topic.

892
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:50,050
I know it's very complex, so I really appreciate everything that you're doing to address this topic.

893
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:59,970
One of my main hopes is that there can be a way to have both this-

894
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,420
Housing and also appreciate the citizens and was just appreciated the open spaces. One thing I know

895
01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:14,660
is that four open spaces when they are used or they get developed, it's very hard to bring

896
01:15:14,660 --> 01:15:23,880
back. And I owe key if and other open spaces are, I think, 2% of Los Alto's acreage. There

897
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:32,400
a whole other 98% that could be used to help address this issue. So I really appreciate you taking

898
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,740
the time and helping with this issue. Thank you so much. Thank you, appreciate that.

899
01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:42,000
Matesh is next.

900
01:15:48,190 --> 01:15:56,870
Thank you. Hello. Regarding O'Keef, I'm Fashit Jamshirihan and I've lived in

901
01:15:56,870 --> 01:16:11,790
And I would like to support all the people here who express concern about this proposal

902
01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:22,190
about my multifamily housing in the open reserve, especially the environmental issues,

903
01:16:22,190 --> 01:16:35,830
the procedure that he was about going about this proposal and a question of density, especially

904
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:47,410
fear about danger that it represents to both drivers and pedestrians, the congestion that it

905
01:16:47,410 --> 01:16:54,750
process will present this data, not to mention just inconvenience and time delays.

906
01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:55,930
Thank you.

907
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:00,780
Thank you, Council.

908
01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:03,520
I think we need to be very clear here.

909
01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:10,660
People should not have to choose between adding housing or preserving an open spaces.

910
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,880
I think we can and must do both.

911
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:20,260
framing by the council that either we build here or there's build as remedy this whole

912
01:17:20,260 --> 01:17:25,280
scare tactics, and we don't mean housing goals is just a false choice, absolutely false choice.

913
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:31,200
You've got several residents like John O'Connell who have proposed a very elegant solution

914
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:36,240
with distributed housing, and he's been proposing this for a long time, so I don't know why,

915
01:17:36,460 --> 01:17:44,440
no one's paying heed here to his sensible housing, and instead of listening to him, here we are

916
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:50,880
with the shady unlawful ballot by all of you framing it as a citizen's initiative versus you've

917
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,640
just totally developed this and we've got like hard evidence. I mean let's not divide us,

918
01:17:56,700 --> 01:18:01,780
let's not divide and conquer here, we can find a solution together, we are all part of the same town

919
01:18:01,780 --> 01:18:09,140
and this forcing the straight off divides us our community and undermines trust and I sincerely hope

920
01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:12,200
We don't do that, it does not get any closer.

921
01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:13,920
This is going to be a prolonged fight,

922
01:18:14,420 --> 01:18:15,020
absolute litigation.

923
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,640
And I think we don't want to choose between either or.

924
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,420
I think we can find a sensible solution.

925
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:21,940
Thank you.

926
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,580
Next up, I have Christina and Regina.

927
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,580
So I think that concludes the in person comment cards.

928
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:35,860
Hi, my name is Regina Vargas.

929
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,660
I live at 2.5383 Law of Rental Lane.

930
01:18:39,160 --> 01:19:00,760
And I came here today with my daughter, Christina, because we are rather concerned about what's happening with our open space over there, not just because it's an open space, which is something that we've made an investment in it as a town for the future of our community that we want to exist in perpetuity and is impossible to get back once it's given up.

931
01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:07,120
But also, I have to say I've been offended by the way that people went about making this happen.

932
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,020
This was not a citizen's initiative.

933
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:13,080
We don't even have a standing committee to look at housing, which is important.

934
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:18,100
I think to everybody in this town, we all know that we have to deal with the housing elements.

935
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:24,900
But if we're not taking in the needs and the ones, the community, I'm not sure we're going about it in a right way.

936
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:32,060
And it's not just a one-time thing like this is going to continue, housing is going to continue to be an issue for a long, long time of this community.

937
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:37,360
The last thing I wanted to say, why is this so personally important to me?

938
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:38,720
This is dangerous.

939
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:44,620
I don't know how much time you guys have spent over on Lorraine Elaine and over on O'Keefe.

940
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,500
But it's a one road in one road out space.

941
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:54,740
When we had the big fires a few years ago, and we were all waiting to see if we were going to have to evacuate that area.

942
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:59,900
It's a lot of cars to get out through there, even with just the 40 homes that we have there now.

943
01:20:00,580 --> 01:20:07,540
Adding in another 100 homes, 400 people, 200 more cars would be incredibly dangerous.

944
01:20:08,180 --> 01:20:13,840
A couple of years ago, we had a down power line that started a very small fire across the little bridge by the creek there.

945
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:20,320
And we were backed up, stuck in that community, unable to get in and out from most of the day.

946
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,120
we're talking about from with 11 o'clock in the morning until 8 o'clock at night.

947
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:30,340
Couldn't go in now to get food. I had a child that my daughter was babysitting over at our house.

948
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:35,100
I couldn't get there and she had an emergency. She was handling a little toddler by herself.

949
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:42,560
Again, one road in, one road out, nowhere else to put another egress. I don't think it's safe

950
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:48,360
to more than quadruple the number of families that we have living on that one road in, one road out

951
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:49,780
Thank you.

952
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:50,360
Thank you.

953
01:20:52,580 --> 01:20:53,060
Hi.

954
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:53,940
Thank you.

955
01:20:53,940 --> 01:20:55,140
Thank you so much for letting me speak.

956
01:20:55,340 --> 01:20:56,200
I'm Regina's daughter.

957
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,180
I would just like to say my own personal reasons that I would like to keep helping

958
01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:00,920
us faces.

959
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,580
I grew up here on Lava and Elaine.

960
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:05,080
I grew up around the wildlife.

961
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,320
Around the creek.

962
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:12,420
I went on walks around the creek with my mom just as a baby with her goats.

963
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:25,160
And one of my personal dreams that is that one day I will be able to come back here with my own family and I will be able to show them the open spaces that I grew up with and the beauty that I grew up with.

964
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:30,080
I just personally think it's very important that we keep that beauty on.

965
01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:31,920
Yeah, I just must very important.

966
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,720
Thank you.

967
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,400
John,

968
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,280
I'm not going to speak about O.K.

969
01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:56,360
We have approximately 16 days and 2 business weeks before January 31st when we have to have completed

970
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,620
rezoning of our unmet arena.

971
01:22:01,740 --> 01:22:06,560
We will know by February 10th whether or not HCD is going to

972
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:12,260
approve the housing element amendment. We may not know before January 31st.

973
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:15,500
I want to just

974
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:21,420
your attention to some language from the letter we received on October the 10th.

975
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:27,600
The second paragraph says, as of this writing, the town continues to comply with the

976
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,640
state housing element, law.

977
01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:37,920
However, this draft amendment may impact HCD's findings, prior findings of substantial compliance.

978
01:22:39,740 --> 01:22:47,640
The fundamental decision that HCDF to make a determination on is suitability of the site inventory to meet unmet rena.

979
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,260
I'm not going to comment on that.

980
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:58,780
The existing adopted housing element, this is HCD's comment.

981
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:05,260
Largely relies on interest from developers or property owners on identified sites to demonstrate

982
01:23:05,260 --> 01:23:08,200
potential for redevelopment of non-vehkan sites.

983
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,800
The draft amendment appears to continue this assumption that developers or property owners

984
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,380
are interested in developing non-vehkan sites.

985
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:25,180
We all hope that HCD approves housing element amendment.

986
01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:31,840
There are consequences, which I hope you understand from those words, if they don't.

987
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:46,740
I am concerned, and I have expressed that concern in writing to the town attorney, that we do not have a backup plan, what happens if they do not approve the housing element amendment.

988
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:54,360
and does that put us in jeopardy of desertification? I encourage you to both ask the city

989
01:23:54,360 --> 01:24:04,560
attorney's office for a backup plan and I'm requesting you to adjourn this meeting tonight

990
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:13,100
so that you have the opportunity on the Government Code 65583 paragraph F to conclude

991
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:19,020
to follow the public talk about this later, John. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure it is

992
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:21,080
here. Thank you. Thank you.

993
01:24:27,010 --> 01:24:29,550
I think we're done with in person. Is it okay if we go to Zoom now?

994
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:32,550
Next, first up we have George.

995
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,040
Last name, Lance. Sorry.

996
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:39,860
Yes. Hello. Can you hear me?

997
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:47,310
Yes. Okay. Okay. How much time do I have? And this is unrelated issues, correct?

998
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:51,470
These are for items not on the agenda you have two minutes.

999
01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:53,230
Okay, that's great.

1000
01:24:54,430 --> 01:25:00,510
It's a free speech comment and the ADL is trying to silence free speech while they commit genocide.

1001
01:25:01,090 --> 01:25:04,650
This meeting's public comment period is a limited public forum.

1002
01:25:04,890 --> 01:25:12,910
Restricting full virtual public comments because they are not favorable to Israel and the Jews is a viewpoint discrimination.

1003
01:25:12,910 --> 01:25:18,630
is unconstitutional. Supreme Court held in Rosenberger versus University of Virginia, a viewpoint

1004
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:24,150
discrimination is per se unconstitutional, and the Calvars' Tanne court stated plainly

1005
01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:28,950
that speech that offense is protected. So when people say fuck Israel right now, that is protected

1006
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:34,350
speech. Government officials may not silence speech simply because it is a uncomfortable heart,

1007
01:25:35,950 --> 01:25:41,930
or unpopular. Someone who said that they weren't so mad at the Holocaust. That actually is

1008
01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:45,830
protective speech if someone said that public comment exists for political criticism.

1009
01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:51,390
It's at the right to put it aside. We're going to stop, right? Are you interrupting me?

1010
01:25:54,050 --> 01:25:58,150
The, he is, he is an executive and I would like to just pause the meeting.

1011
01:25:59,270 --> 01:26:01,030
You can call it our break. You can call it our break. You can call it our break.

1012
01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:04,990
You can call it recess if you like. Let's call it recess. Thank you, okay.

1013
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:16,000
Mr. Lance, we're going to give you permission to talk and we're going to resume the counter.

1014
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,780
Yeah, I'm here and that's unfortunate you shut down my speech in the middle of a speech.

1015
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,940
This is exactly what this speech is for.

1016
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:25,420
Will you reset my time?

1017
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:29,430
Up to the council's discretion.

1018
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:30,570
No.

1019
01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:31,230
Yeah.

1020
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:32,650
Okay, well, that's great.

1021
01:26:32,730 --> 01:26:36,110
This is a proving why we need people doing speeches like these.

1022
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:38,970
The city may regulate conduct, not content.

1023
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:41,590
Under Brandenburg versus Ohio speech may be restricted.

1024
01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:42,850
Only if it is intended.

1025
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:45,750
And likely to cause imminent lawless action.

1026
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:49,130
mere offense anger or controversy is not a disruption.

1027
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:54,750
When I say fuck the chair for breaking up my free speech, that is my right to do that during this comment.

1028
01:26:54,850 --> 01:26:58,690
Please don't feel your authoritarian urge to mute me like you did again.

1029
01:26:58,790 --> 01:27:02,510
You don't know the constitution and that is what I'm bringing to light here.

1030
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:08,650
And when you have a demand letter coming in a claim against your city,

1031
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:12,070
you will find out that free speech is something that people take very seriously.

1032
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:20,190
Courts have made it clear that manner of expression does not remove constitutional protection, political free speech, does not lose protection because it's profane.

1033
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:22,190
So when I say fuck Jews for them.

1034
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,640
It may or I just wanted to clarify for the record that each person has two minutes.

1035
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,400
This individual has been given two minutes at a time or cuts out the common at two minutes.

1036
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:36,480
Thank you, appreciate it.

1037
01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:41,810
Next up, I have X, S, Disake.

1038
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:44,880
Disake, I'm sorry.

1039
01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:47,880
You are of been promoted to speak.

1040
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:56,390
Thank you, can you hear me? Yes. Very well. My name is Shervari Dixit and I'm a resident

1041
01:27:56,390 --> 01:28:02,510
of Los Altos Hills, I live on O'Keef Lane. I'm a retired educator and for all the years

1042
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:09,310
that I taught at the local university, I happened to pass by a family of deer or during the

1043
01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:14,730
daytime, a family of quail and several times, rabbits and raccoons and sometimes even

1044
01:28:14,730 --> 01:28:23,150
about that. And so I love the area that I live in. We have a small creek that is across from

1045
01:28:23,150 --> 01:28:30,390
the water tank on Okiflaine and that's where a lot of the deer are drinking water. So for everything

1046
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:38,170
that everyone has said here I totally agree we need to preserve our open spaces all over. But what I

1047
01:28:38,170 --> 01:28:45,390
do you want to raise my objection? Will is the process in which the Oki-Fling Preserve was handled

1048
01:28:45,390 --> 01:28:51,430
by the Commission? It was stated that there was a citizen's initiative that was begun

1049
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:56,850
and that proposal did not come from an open and collaborative planning effort. It was

1050
01:28:56,850 --> 01:29:03,510
being pushed through as a citizen's initiative, written behind closed doors. And for that initiative

1051
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:10,330
If it would pay over a national preserve, that would be exempting it from the environment review.

1052
01:29:10,830 --> 01:29:12,130
I consider that very outrageous.

1053
01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:15,290
That's all I want to say for this point.

1054
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:18,690
But thank you for letting me voice my opinion.

1055
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:20,870
Thank you.

1056
01:29:21,090 --> 01:29:22,210
Next up, Desciel.

1057
01:29:25,930 --> 01:29:26,130
Hello.

1058
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:27,530
My name is Desciel Leeds.

1059
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:31,250
I'm the Conservation Coordinator for the Syracloblomer Predator chapter.

1060
01:29:31,610 --> 01:29:34,850
Last week I had the pleasure of visiting the O'Keef Open Space Preserve.

1061
01:29:34,850 --> 01:29:40,710
and it is absolutely beautiful. It has less ecology with the piercimate creek and trees with

1062
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:45,110
critical habitat. This is the kind of habitat that is rapidly vanishing from the Bay Area.

1063
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:49,770
Many species rely on wildlife corridors between the Santa Cruz Mountains and the Diablo

1064
01:29:49,770 --> 01:29:54,790
range for sustenance and mobility that allows them to find food and mate with others of their

1065
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:59,970
species to maintain genetic diversity and we're currently experiencing a wildlife mobility crisis.

1066
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,320
This here in the Bay Area. The Okeef Open Space Reserve is located in close proximity to the Santa Cruz Mountains, making it absolutely essential to preserve for wildlife mobility.

1067
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:16,180
It's speaking with residents, I heard some wonderful stories of the wildlife they've seen, and you've heard some of these experiences tonight already.

1068
01:30:16,860 --> 01:30:28,200
Local species need wildlife corridors and habitat, like the Okeef Open Space Reserve to survive and thrive, and habitat loss, it's permanent, with far reaching effects impacting wildlife generations into the future.

1069
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,980
O'Keefe is essential for wildlife and its precious to residents.

1070
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:44,100
The city should continue to protect this and open spaces in Los Alters Hills and find affordable housing solutions in other areas that don't sacrifice the cherished natural areas that were meant to be untouched and perpetuity.

1071
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:52,960
The city should adhere to CEQA and commit itself to a transparent and collaborative public process that takes into account the input of residents and the value of local ecology.

1072
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:54,680
Thank you for your time and consideration.

1073
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:56,580
Thank you.

1074
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,420
Yeah, I think I'm seeing your name right if I'm missing yet, I'm sorry.

1075
01:31:06,430 --> 01:31:10,990
I'm good evening council members. I'm your team mentor and I've been a resident of Los

1076
01:31:10,990 --> 01:31:17,350
Alto zones for over 25 years. A lot of the other residents have talked about the benefits

1077
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:24,730
of the OQF preserve. I would like to focus on the unlawful activities that certain council members

1078
01:31:24,730 --> 01:31:32,070
I engaged in. And let's be very clear that the plan to reason or key is not a genuine citizen

1079
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:41,750
initiative. It's a city council member driven plan and it's been attempted to become a

1080
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:47,950
ballot measure to avoid the responsibility and scrutiny that seek or might bring. It's

1081
01:31:47,950 --> 01:31:54,290
misleading to the voters and it's unfair to the entire community. If the council believes

1082
01:31:54,290 --> 01:32:00,610
that developing the water protected open space, which incidentally is less than 3% of the

1083
01:32:00,610 --> 01:32:06,130
towns' acreage. If you believe you need to develop that without going through the lawfully

1084
01:32:06,130 --> 01:32:14,090
mandated C-pop process, well, can say so openly, the period and stand behind it. Please don't

1085
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:16,890
hide behind the process that pretends that this came from residents.

1086
01:32:19,210 --> 01:32:20,330
All the voters can tell

1087
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:25,490
the difference between a grassroots effort and a talk on manure, and that is exactly why

1088
01:32:25,490 --> 01:32:27,950
this measure is not succeeding.

1089
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,280
Finally, I also want to know that despite the demand that

1090
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:42,040
her can be sent to the city on the 16th of December, certain members of the council continue

1091
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,920
to act and take unlawful steps after the letter was sent.

1092
01:32:48,270 --> 01:32:51,390
And that process just really brings

1093
01:32:51,390 --> 01:32:57,070
the amount of respect and confidence one can have in the council. Thank you.

1094
01:33:00,270 --> 01:33:03,850
anybody else? One other I have Mr. Martin Luther.

1095
01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:14,990
Yeah you'd seem to cut the gentleman off earlier

1096
01:33:14,990 --> 01:33:21,710
because he was speaking about something that you didn't like and I wanted to call and tell you that

1097
01:33:21,710 --> 01:33:29,230
as a resident of this area for a long time I would say that that's beneath our local government for

1098
01:33:30,170 --> 01:33:36,130
a gentleman from another place that doesn't really know the rules to be cutting off our citizens

1099
01:33:36,130 --> 01:33:50,990
And that's a problem with some of the local sort of people that founded and, you know, 90% of the fighters in World War II that happened to be of, you know, the similar European stock.

1100
01:33:51,790 --> 01:34:05,230
And we see our country being run by different people for different places and ethnicities and a lot of times aren't smart enough or educated enough to know how to uphold the most basic

1101
01:34:05,230 --> 01:34:12,310
fundamental God-given rights that aren't given to us by any woman with Afro-puffs or any

1102
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:18,250
boomer with the bow tie. It's important that you restrain yourselves and allow your

1103
01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:26,610
public to speak and when people call in and you cut them off, you set yourself up for claims against

1104
01:34:26,610 --> 01:34:34,110
your city and that's happened over and over again. People value the first amendment and even though

1105
01:34:34,110 --> 01:34:43,950
I want to shut down free speech so that they can commit financial fraud, pedophilia and genocide in front of the world's eyes and get away with it.

1106
01:34:43,970 --> 01:34:49,550
And they fund all the politics with the APAC and they intimidate free speech with the anti-deformation league.

1107
01:34:50,230 --> 01:34:58,110
And they've convinced your board that you should shut down free speech for your virtue points when someone says a word you don't like.

1108
01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:00,590
I applaud you for hearing this speech out.

1109
01:35:00,590 --> 01:35:06,090
I think you guys are learning and it's important to allow alternative viewpoints.

1110
01:35:06,710 --> 01:35:11,390
This is not a Marxist boomer, Kijk, group think.

1111
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:12,710
Thank you.

1112
01:35:18,900 --> 01:35:20,060
No further comments, Mayor.

1113
01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:21,400
Thank goodness.

1114
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,540
We will now close public comment.

1115
01:35:25,540 --> 01:35:40,780
And my I regret some of the language, I mean we all have free speech but I think it's important to be respectful and open-minded about people from all backgrounds.

1116
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:52,200
So with that let's move on. Next item on the agenda is community development director's report.

1117
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:59,480
we decided earlier in the meeting to move this up because it's probably an item of white interest.

1118
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:06,440
So with that, I'd like to turn it over to our community development director, Jay Bradford.

1119
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:08,140
Thank you, Mayor.

1120
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,380
May I interrupt just to clarify, because we have so many people here that have spoken up about the

1121
01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:13,120
O'Keefe issue.

1122
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:14,400
Well, I'm sorry, yeah.

1123
01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:22,180
I was going to ask if the city attorney would like to offer her perspective on what

1124
01:36:22,180 --> 01:36:26,340
some of the concerns that we've heard from residents about the O'Keefe property.

1125
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:32,940
Get mayor earlier in the meeting. I did a reporting from the special meeting that the council had earlier

1126
01:36:32,940 --> 01:36:40,200
and you consider an item related to the Manlutter and the item staff report it gives an account

1127
01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:48,760
of the council's process and the procedures that I went through and and discussing the O'Keefe

1128
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:55,540
property and the related initiative measure information and the Demia letter makes some similar

1129
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:59,840
allegations of some of the comments race night there is a brown act violation we disagree

1130
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:06,260
the facts in the report show that there is not actually any violation and so just for the

1131
01:37:06,260 --> 01:37:10,920
benefit of the public who wasn't here for that report there was a special meeting the council

1132
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:15,060
did consider the issues that was raised.

1133
01:37:17,300 --> 01:37:20,520
May I also add that the item that's moved forward for

1134
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:25,460
the community development director is of interest. I would think of the people that are here to

1135
01:37:25,460 --> 01:37:29,200
who had a comment about O'Keefe. So in case you were thinking of getting up and leaving,

1136
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:29,980
just wanted to.

1137
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,360
Let you know the general nature of the presentation.

1138
01:37:34,860 --> 01:37:41,040
Madam materney, could you also speak to the issue of a citizens initiative versus a council initiative?

1139
01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:44,500
I think many people who raised that issue as well.

1140
01:37:44,980 --> 01:37:51,380
Yeah, so the generally under state law of the ballot measure can be initiated by the government

1141
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:59,720
body of a city or can be initiated by the voters. It is the law that if the council initiates

1142
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:04,740
the initiative, it's on the ballot that requires a secret bit of assistance initiative. It does not.

1143
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:12,720
But the law is also very clear. It draws a distinction between informational activities.

1144
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:19,820
That's for any activity. In fact, that's carried on before the measure is actually certified in place on

1145
01:38:19,820 --> 01:38:26,560
ballot by city council. And if the residents or the citizens wanted to do the same thing

1146
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:31,660
in place, the measure on the ballot, they have to go through a process for it to make it

1147
01:38:31,660 --> 01:38:37,280
onto the ballot. And as I noted earlier, the staff report in the other items, no, so there

1148
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,620
is no action by the council to certify measures. So there is nothing, there is no measure

1149
01:38:42,620 --> 01:38:48,460
on the ballot by the council. I believe when I spoke to the city attorney

1150
01:38:48,460 --> 01:38:56,380
matters earlier that, and correct me, if this is not in line with the way you understand it,

1151
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:04,980
the activity that we engaged in in terms of reviewing potential ballot language and discussing

1152
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:13,700
that with staff or with residents, that does not constitute a council, ballot measure or a council

1153
01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:20,100
initiated measure. That's just informational discussions that we are having that are, of course,

1154
01:39:20,260 --> 01:39:26,400
known to the public. Is that correct? That is correct. The law and also case false court decisions

1155
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:32,520
are also very clear that the certification of the ballot or the measure to be on the ballot is

1156
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:37,080
when it becomes a ballot. So the activities are before that the council, it is appropriate of the council

1157
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:42,140
to engage in them. Could you refer to the Southern California ruling on this topic?

1158
01:39:42,140 --> 01:39:48,620
Yes, so this is the case out of Santa Barbara with respect to the County Transportation Commission.

1159
01:39:50,460 --> 01:39:53,760
Thank you. I think sorry for keeping you waiting.

1160
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,360
Director Bradford please go ahead with your presentation.

1161
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:57,520
Thank you, Mayor.

1162
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,080
The topic for the Director's report was two items.

1163
01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:08,800
One related to a refunds which I'll come to and the latter half of the update and the first half was

1164
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:14,020
really to give the public large as we're moving through the housing element and

1165
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:17,800
an implementation, some understanding of where some of the submittals that we've put

1166
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:23,860
through and the later part of last year in December in submittals to HDD.

1167
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:29,840
And some of the things that we've heard back from HDD and from other advocates within

1168
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:35,660
the community and in particular one of the property owners specifically and some

1169
01:40:35,660 --> 01:40:39,320
applications that they've submitted to the town, but also to HCD.

1170
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:45,160
This is going to be the first of a series of SB 330 applications that we'll be looking

1171
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:45,860
at tonight.

1172
01:40:46,820 --> 01:40:54,460
We've collected these from the property owner over the course of last year, and this is really

1173
01:40:54,460 --> 01:40:59,160
the first point in time, where because of the nature of the housing element amendment and

1174
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:05,580
we're at in timing that we wanted to share that with the public and then ultimately bring the

1175
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:11,380
housing limit back for a discussion at our February 10th meeting if not before. So with that,

1176
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:18,040
I'm going to share a presentation that gives a little bit of background on what HCD received

1177
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:21,080
from the property owner as well as town staff.

1178
01:41:25,070 --> 01:41:28,030
Today we've received six applications. The first

1179
01:41:28,030 --> 01:41:34,530
application was withdrawn, so this slide is focusing on the five active applications that we have.

1180
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:42,310
We received two applications roughly around the same time in August and September of last year

1181
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:49,570
that we're looking at development on the piece of our current housing element multifamily

1182
01:41:49,570 --> 01:41:59,530
site of Twin Oaks. That proposal showed 304 units being developed over the entirety of the six

1183
01:41:59,530 --> 01:42:04,690
parcels that are part of that. And we'll give some images associated with this so people can

1184
01:42:04,690 --> 01:42:10,570
really understand kind of what the the owner is thinking as far as unit density units facing

1185
01:42:10,570 --> 01:42:16,750
unit size and some of those other things to give a better characteristic of what these proposals look

1186
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:34,850
The September application increased the number of dwelling units to 348, but it did spread it across both the twin-of-site and the neighbor to the, I believe it's the south in a property known as sea landing or the former Finland property.

1187
01:42:36,370 --> 01:42:43,230
The most recent applications we've received have come from the end of this year, all three

1188
01:42:43,230 --> 01:42:46,510
received on December 31st.

1189
01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:53,410
The first application received was specific to Twin Oaks and Twin Oaks solely, and it showed

1190
01:42:54,150 --> 01:43:00,910
for the six parcels that are currently in existence a unit per parcel, so six units in total.

1191
01:43:00,910 --> 01:43:12,290
So, the remaining two focused either between the twin oak site in some way reserving portions

1192
01:43:12,290 --> 01:43:17,650
of lot four and five, but then focusing mainly on development for the Finwick site.

1193
01:43:17,710 --> 01:43:23,470
And we had a 98 unit proposal which included single family with multi family and a 12 unit

1194
01:43:23,470 --> 01:43:25,790
proposal of just single family homes.

1195
01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:33,230
So, this is the first, may I just make one clarification, if you go back to the previous slide.

1196
01:43:34,850 --> 01:43:41,930
Some of these are alternatives and some of these can be done together, right?

1197
01:43:42,510 --> 01:43:52,590
So, maybe we just want to be really clear about which ones are either or and which ones are sort of potentially individual or additive, right?

1198
01:43:52,770 --> 01:43:53,470
Thank you.

1199
01:43:53,470 --> 01:43:59,310
Yeah, and so when we look at and into to the mayor's point when we look at these sites

1200
01:43:59,310 --> 01:44:03,310
there's we've done reviews for all of the applications at this point.

1201
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:09,810
We have preliminary out preliminary applications, we've responded to the first two in this list

1202
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:21,490
with a notice of not non conformity or non-completeness with comments that we still have not received comments back from the applicant on.

1203
01:44:21,490 --> 01:44:31,310
We're in the process of providing comments as it relates to completeness for the last three in this list.

1204
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:42,410
And so when we look at the actual makeup of the sites, what you'll see is that this really, in this picture,

1205
01:44:42,410 --> 01:44:49,110
the site is the six units that are six parcels that are the twin oak site with the units

1206
01:44:49,110 --> 01:44:51,690
distributed really across the board.

1207
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,420
And I would note that our housing element suggests that the

1208
01:44:57,420 --> 01:44:59,980
The Twin Oak site holds 92 units, so...

1209
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,860
And that proposal, even with density bonuses, the threshold associated with that particular plan,

1210
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,260
would exceed what our housing element would suggest.

1211
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:18,060
One other thing that might be helpful to some of the residents, which may be not all of them are

1212
01:45:18,060 --> 01:45:23,780
aware of what an SB 330 does. Perhaps you could just spend a minute going over that.

1213
01:45:24,260 --> 01:45:29,960
Yeah, thank you for that, Mayor. So an SB 330 application is an opportunity for a property

1214
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:38,140
on or to vest in regulations at a point in time, as well as fees and other programs that may

1215
01:45:38,140 --> 01:45:46,000
be in existence. So if a property, much as the twin oaks property is, which is currently

1216
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:52,160
residential construction or was previously residential construction in an RAA zoning,

1217
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:59,900
it would allow a primary dwelling and then JADU's ADU. So you could have up to four units on those sites

1218
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:05,780
As we move through the rezoning process, which we've recently done for the Twin Oak site,

1219
01:46:06,020 --> 01:46:10,300
we move to a different land use, we move to multi-family.

1220
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:17,200
And we erode the underlying RA zoning, meaning only the multi-family zoning exists.

1221
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:24,740
While the SB 330 application, if it was applied for during the time where the property was zoned RA,

1222
01:46:24,740 --> 01:46:31,140
It would preserve the right to continue to develop, even after the rezoning has happened under the RA.

1223
01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:37,240
If they applied after, it would apply then the multifamily standards.

1224
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:42,920
And it would vest fees and other things associated with multifamily.

1225
01:46:44,180 --> 01:46:51,920
So with that, these applications are really trying to preserve what our regulations are at a point in time for the benefit of a property owner.

1226
01:46:51,920 --> 01:47:00,160
And they can be used as tools in negotiations as we go through what the actual development

1227
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:07,460
of a project looks like, assuming that the application becomes complete and that the application

1228
01:47:07,460 --> 01:47:14,380
then is compliant and that we would look at that through the lens of the regulations that

1229
01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:17,180
applied to that particular application at the time it was received.

1230
01:47:18,420 --> 01:47:34,920
So back to the five applications that we've currently got, this is the second one that came from September and it shows a utilization of both the twin oak site and then wraps into the Fenwick site.

1231
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:39,180
Right now the twin oak site is the only site that is within the housing element.

1232
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:54,940
So any additional development within the Finwick would need the similar level of regulatory approvals that we had just gone through for the Twin Oaks site to convert it from the residential to multi-family.

1233
01:47:54,940 --> 01:47:59,620
So, you'd need a general plan amendment for the housing element, you'd need a land use

1234
01:47:59,620 --> 01:48:07,100
element amendment, and then depending on the topography and the make-up, could need additional

1235
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:12,040
zoning requirement specific to that site as well as objective design standards.

1236
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:19,360
Now we're getting into the most current applications.

1237
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,320
It's very difficult to see within this application where parcel lines are, but you can kind

1238
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:30,740
make out where these boxes are with the little squares in the corners. Each one of these is a unit

1239
01:48:30,740 --> 01:48:39,380
basically tied to an existing parcel. So you'll see that there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 units.

1240
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:47,620
So this would represent an opportunity where the property owners looking to invest that R-ray zoning.

1241
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:52,670
It's just for information one at a random set.

1242
01:48:55,790 --> 01:49:02,750
We don't quite know that they say if you zoom in that there are some agricultural pad I believe.

1243
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:04,810
I can't do that. I'll look it up.

1244
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:06,390
Yeah.

1245
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:18,740
The next application, what you see is the preservation of a future site, which are lots four and five,

1246
01:49:18,740 --> 01:49:25,520
preserving lots six and potentially having some level of development on lock six for the Twin Oak site.

1247
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:34,640
But the majority of this is focused on a 98 units, six of which are single family and then the

1248
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:41,600
remainder would be multi-family. And again, you know, we see potential issues here from a compliance

1249
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:46,740
perspective because things have set back things of that nature aren't really demonstrated here

1250
01:49:46,740 --> 01:49:47,420
specifically.

1251
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,440
And then maybe I add just a comment here because I think it gets very complicated

1252
01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:58,560
if you're just seeing this for the first time. The mayor earlier said that some of these

1253
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:04,780
you could do more than one, but this one has a very key potential premise to it and that is

1254
01:50:04,780 --> 01:50:10,000
it exchanges on the left Williamson Act line for that on the right. So it means in effect

1255
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:15,820
you could not do this and one of those with the, you know, it's development that we saw earlier.

1256
01:50:15,820 --> 01:50:21,640
Yeah, that's correct. The Williamson Act does constrain the property to some degree.

1257
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,700
If a property owner was looking to remove the Williamson Act,

1258
01:50:25,820 --> 01:50:28,560
there's really two ways that they can do that.

1259
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:35,360
They can submit a notice of non-renewal followed by a notice of termination.

1260
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,840
If that is the case, then the property would go through an assessment

1261
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:48,840
and then be put into an escalating path within the tax assessment that the property on it would be responsible for.

1262
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:56,040
The alternative would be that they would request from the City Council and it would be at the Council's discretion,

1263
01:50:56,740 --> 01:51:08,100
whether or not to allow for a potential swap of lands that are currently in the Williams and Act for lands outside of the Williams and Act.

1264
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:29,260
And for me, currently all of the Fenwick property, as it's referred to, this is kind of this U-shaped land, which right now has homes and multi-family housing on the left, goes around, I think, a property on the top.

1265
01:51:29,260 --> 01:51:37,000
So that whole area with all the contours, that is protected by the Williamson Act currently.

1266
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:51,140
And under this proposal, the intent is to take 9.6 acres from out of that Williamson Act and exchange it for 9.6 acres on the Twinox parcel.

1267
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:52,220
Is that correct?

1268
01:51:53,460 --> 01:52:02,060
Yeah, you'll see here at the bottom there's some notes that may suggest that, maybe in the application it's not as specific.

1269
01:52:05,420 --> 01:52:18,560
And then the last development that we see includes 12 units, very clearly there's 11 on the left side of the screen somewhere in the remainder here.

1270
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,840
We assume there's another unit to be able to bring the total of 12.

1271
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:29,980
This is, while the Williamson Act does apply to this parcel, it could be...

1272
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:54,020
Essentially, the contract be terminated and could be subject for development under RA standards. Right now, it is zoned RA. We would then apply our existing zoning standards, though, for residential, which would make us look to see if our left standards are MDA and MFA requirements are being met.

1273
01:52:54,020 --> 01:52:59,260
When we've seen prior applications for subdivision of this particular property,

1274
01:52:59,900 --> 01:53:10,080
we've noted that there's much larger plots that are needed and a checker boarding of the property to be able to maintain the minimum

1275
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,620
lot's sizes that we require in town.

1276
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:19,820
But this could be a potential application that could move forward under the right circumstances.

1277
01:53:19,820 --> 01:53:36,340
And if I'm not mistaken, the large area on the right side is labeled locked 12, and it's hard to read, but it says Reconfigured Williamson Act Farm locked, so it looks like that is the 12th parcel.

1278
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:40,700
Though the unit is not necessarily particularly highlighted correctly.

1279
01:53:40,700 --> 01:53:40,900
Yeah.

1280
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:54,820
And so that concludes what we've seen of materials from HCD related to the particular

1281
01:53:54,820 --> 01:54:02,200
applications. Obviously town staff will be looking at these applications and responding to

1282
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:10,960
HCD to make sure that we address any concerns that we see as it relates to our request for the

1283
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,260
housing element amendment.

1284
01:54:15,020 --> 01:54:18,500
On another topic. One more. So we have to keep this.

1285
01:54:18,980 --> 01:54:27,320
Yes. City manager. If somebody would like more information about these SB 330 applications,

1286
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:32,660
would they submit a PRA with the contact city clerk? How would they go about that?

1287
01:54:32,820 --> 01:54:36,480
Yes. These are public records. So they are available to be viewed in town hall,

1288
01:54:36,740 --> 01:54:41,820
or if you would like copies of them, you could go through a PRA process and we'll be able to distribute them to you.

1289
01:54:41,820 --> 01:54:43,060
Thank you.

1290
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:53,470
The last update that I had. We've had a series of discussions in close session

1291
01:54:53,470 --> 01:55:00,230
that we've been reported out as it relates to a refund process. The town staff is happy to

1292
01:55:00,730 --> 01:55:07,890
announce that we've processed the requests and that we'll be sitting out the first mailing this week.

1293
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:18,540
Should we move to public comment?

1294
01:55:22,460 --> 01:55:25,520
Well, that was the end of the director's report. So we're going

1295
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,740
back to item number four, then on the agenda.

1296
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:29,320
Is there a comments, Mary?

1297
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:31,160
Yeah, we should take public comments.

1298
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:32,820
Oh, public comment on that.

1299
01:55:32,980 --> 01:55:34,100
I'll talk back here

1300
01:55:41,490 --> 01:55:42,910
to the best of my knowledge.

1301
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:48,590
We decoupled the issue of the C landing property and twin outs.

1302
01:55:48,590 --> 01:55:50,970
I think sometime in 2020, kind of.

1303
01:55:51,550 --> 01:55:55,390
So I'm very confused as to what's going on here.

1304
01:55:56,710 --> 01:56:00,130
To also to the best of my knowledge that we have already

1305
01:56:00,130 --> 01:56:09,800
resumed lots 4, 5 and 6 to be multifamily and that doesn't include any R.A. And as such,

1306
01:56:10,750 --> 01:56:15,520
none of that land can be done through a lot of line adjustment under the Williams an act.

1307
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:18,410
So again, I'm kind of confused.

1308
01:56:20,690 --> 01:56:25,750
My understanding also is that whilst HCD may question whether

1309
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:32,990
not the land that we've resumed in their viewpoint is compliant with state law in terms

1310
01:56:32,990 --> 01:56:40,450
of meeting on Metreena. The question over whether or not the council has the police power to

1311
01:56:40,450 --> 01:56:50,850
resound it, I don't think is in any question. So I'm really having difficulty. I seal the pictures

1312
01:56:50,850 --> 01:56:55,230
But I'm kind of confused as to what is going on.

1313
01:56:55,470 --> 01:57:02,170
If there's a request for a Williamson Act adjustment, I believe the first step is that a

1314
01:57:02,170 --> 01:57:10,390
notice has to be filed of a non-intention to renew and that starts a ten-year clock of adjusting

1315
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:15,090
from the current rates to what the county assessor determines to be the final rates.

1316
01:57:15,870 --> 01:57:20,670
That is necessary before the Williamson Act contract could be either cancelled or changed

1317
01:57:20,670 --> 01:57:23,050
into a new Williamson Act contract.

1318
01:57:23,950 --> 01:57:27,830
So I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how you're going to respond to HDD on this,

1319
01:57:28,150 --> 01:57:33,390
but it seems to be coming from a very confused perspective.

1320
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:37,810
If I've missed anything in this game,

1321
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:41,890
but it just doesn't seem to make any sense.

1322
01:57:42,070 --> 01:57:43,090
Thank you.

1323
01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:49,140
Anybody else online?

1324
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:51,100
All right.

1325
01:57:51,540 --> 01:57:53,100
We close public comment.

1326
01:57:54,380 --> 01:58:12,540
And the next item on the agenda is item four informational reports, this is just purely for information, the council, if there's any questions, staff can answer them, but we can move on to the next item of the consent calendar.

1327
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:17,640
Okay. Are there any public comments on the information reports?

1328
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,120
Okay. Seeing none. Let's move on to the consent calendar.

1329
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,820
Would anybody like to remove any items from the consent calendar?

1330
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:33,340
But I can move to approve the consent calendar if they're not objections.

1331
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:41,900
I would second that. Can we get public comments? Okay. Can we get any public comments on the consent calendar?

1332
01:58:53,870 --> 01:59:03,970
Congrats on the audit, I noticed some errors, I noticed you uploaded a new audit report after the one that you uploaded on Friday or whenever.

1333
01:59:04,690 --> 01:59:12,330
But it was hard to tell what change between the first one and the second one, I would appreciate some sort of red line on the act for.

1334
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:20,850
And that's also mentioned that three of your retiring in 2029 determines in 2029, which would be wrong so you should fix that.

1335
01:59:20,850 --> 01:59:25,990
There's probably other areas as well, but who else? Thank you.

1336
01:59:31,570 --> 01:59:32,750
Any others?

1337
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:36,870
No comment on Zoom here.

1338
01:59:37,910 --> 01:59:40,650
Okay, well then let's close public comment.

1339
01:59:41,450 --> 01:59:46,150
I did pass along some corrections to the city manager earlier.

1340
01:59:46,150 --> 01:59:48,910
I think you may have made that as well.

1341
01:59:49,970 --> 01:59:53,270
Okay, let's take it to a vote.

1342
01:59:55,170 --> 01:59:56,830
That's a number mark.

1343
01:59:57,410 --> 01:59:57,430
Yes.

1344
01:59:57,730 --> 01:59:58,870
Tell us a number swine.

1345
02:00:01,940 --> 02:00:04,400
Yes, visual, yes.

1346
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:10,080
I also remember Tonka? Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes. Mayor Patasia? Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

1347
02:00:11,940 --> 02:00:28,380
I did want to say that on item 5I, there was an opportunity for us to write for certain grants to get more revenue for some of the pavement rehabilitation.

1348
02:00:28,380 --> 02:00:35,180
Unfortunately, we didn't do that. I would ask the public works director to pay particular attention

1349
02:00:35,180 --> 02:00:41,660
to that next time. I don't like leaving money on the table. So I understand it's a little bit

1350
02:00:41,660 --> 02:00:49,340
of work, but at least if you don't plan to do that, appreciate a heads up as to why before finding

1351
02:00:49,340 --> 02:00:52,440
all of the back end. So thank you. Thank you.

1352
02:00:56,140 --> 02:01:00,820
Okay. Next item on the agenda is item 6A,

1353
02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:06,660
discussion and possible direction on terminating the agreement with flock safety for the

1354
02:01:06,660 --> 02:01:13,420
towns automatic places plate reader system. Is there a staff report? Yes, thank you, Mayor.

1355
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:22,520
So this evening, this item was agenda is a belief back in either October or November to come after

1356
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:26,280
the new year. And so this is why we are discussing this item this evening.

1357
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:29,560
So a little bit more

1358
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:35,680
as to why the council had directed staff to bring this forward for those who have been paying

1359
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:41,820
attention to some of the allegations in the news. Fox, the protocol and how they protect their

1360
02:01:41,820 --> 02:01:50,480
the data has been questioned. There have been allegations into their potential sharing of data

1361
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:55,060
with the federal government through the ALPR system,

1362
02:01:55,420 --> 02:01:57,940
possible involvement with ICE,

1363
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:02,300
multiple jurisdictions across the nation have

1364
02:02:02,300 --> 02:02:05,600
either positive re-evaluated their agreements with flock

1365
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,240
for the use of ALPR systems in their municipalities.

1366
02:02:09,820 --> 02:02:12,580
For instance, I have not done a thorough job

1367
02:02:12,580 --> 02:02:14,180
in finding every city out there,

1368
02:02:14,300 --> 02:02:17,460
but I've seen that Austin Eugene Denver Flagstaff

1369
02:02:17,460 --> 02:02:19,880
and most recently just this past Wednesday

1370
02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:27,740
Santa Cruz all terminated their agreements with flock, and so that's why we're having the discussion this evening.

1371
02:02:30,170 --> 02:02:37,110
So this is just a little overview about the history of the flock contract with the town began in March 18,

1372
02:02:37,530 --> 02:02:44,570
back in 2021 when the town put together an ALPR policy, moving forward through time.

1373
02:02:44,570 --> 02:02:51,810
The council approved 40 ALPR cameras. At the beginning it was a pilot period where we wanted to see

1374
02:02:51,810 --> 02:02:58,210
just how the system worked. It was a 60 day no cost contract, but after that pilot period,

1375
02:02:58,210 --> 02:03:11,990
the council continued the use. We concluded our first contract with Flock and had a larger review in

1376
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:17,750
in 2025 for a three-year contract, excuse me, five-year contract, reducing the cameras from

1377
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:24,470
40 down to 31 at an annual cost of $93,000. The current contract will end, it's aligned with

1378
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:31,550
the fiscal year, so it's at the end, June 30th of 2026, and each term of that five years is the

1379
02:03:31,550 --> 02:03:32,270
fiscal year.

1380
02:03:34,860 --> 02:03:41,720
Here is a map of the 31 cameras in town, the difference of the prior map to this map

1381
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:50,120
as we removed nine of the interior cameras and kept the entrances to town or all of those locations

1382
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:51,500
of the cameras were.

1383
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:59,960
Here are some screenshots from the the sheriff's monthly report.

1384
02:04:00,260 --> 02:04:07,940
I have only taken out the burglary data and I have the month and year and totals going back to

1385
02:04:07,940 --> 02:04:12,520
2014. So if you just look at the bold numbers on the right, the last column and just go down,

1386
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:18,520
You could kind of see the EBS and flows of when we were increasing a decreasing, but if we

1387
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:23,180
look more recently at the very bottom of the 2025, we ended the month of December with

1388
02:04:23,180 --> 02:04:25,380
three for a year and total at 16.

1389
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:32,560
It was down from the 2024 and at 20, and then it will are large year and 2023 at 60.

1390
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:42,720
I just wanted to give a little bit of background into the usage of the LPR system in town.

1391
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:45,320
that you have seen this graph this table before,

1392
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:50,600
they will update is the last row showing 20, 25 data.

1393
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,680
These are just different categories of what

1394
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:57,080
where the sheriff has actually used the LPR system

1395
02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:59,600
to either locate stolen vehicles,

1396
02:04:59,900 --> 02:05:04,760
recovered stolen license plates, given a rest,

1397
02:05:05,620 --> 02:05:09,440
or more insurved, this is not an all-inclusive list.

1398
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:18,940
the LPR system has also been used in finding a male theft and just, or even I think maybe one missing person's event.

1399
02:05:19,820 --> 02:05:28,620
So, it's not only just residential burglary and then specifically though for solving residential burglary the last two points.

1400
02:05:28,620 --> 02:05:51,700
In 2023, it was used in partnership with the Aurenda Police Department to actually give a direct connection to solving that case, and in 2025, one other residential burglary case, specifically at a construction site, the LPR system in town was crucial in helping solve that case.

1401
02:05:54,650 --> 02:05:58,850
So that now we're bringing it to the discussion of our neighboring cities.

1402
02:05:59,010 --> 02:06:03,130
So whatever neighboring cities done recently around us with their discussions of the

1403
02:06:03,130 --> 02:06:03,670
flock camera.

1404
02:06:03,870 --> 02:06:08,710
So in East Palau to an Oakland, both in just recently in December at the end of the year,

1405
02:06:09,090 --> 02:06:14,930
both of those city councils had a discussion about what they wanted to do with their agreement

1406
02:06:14,930 --> 02:06:15,710
with flock.

1407
02:06:15,970 --> 02:06:21,370
And it all stemmed around data privacy concerns, the allegations of connections with flock,

1408
02:06:22,030 --> 02:06:23,770
everything that we're going to be discussing this evening.

1409
02:06:23,770 --> 02:06:31,270
East Palo Alto decided to renew their agreement with Flock and use the standard contract terms

1410
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:40,130
Oakland. They also decided to renew their agreement with Flock, but they gave new additions to the contract

1411
02:06:40,130 --> 02:06:48,810
that put parameters around data privacy, how the data could be used in a national look-up

1412
02:06:48,810 --> 02:06:56,350
feature within the flock portal. So there were a lot of specific points that that city council wanted to put in.

1413
02:06:57,230 --> 02:07:02,350
I mentioned earlier the city of Santa Cruz just this week had similar discussion. I think it was

1414
02:07:02,350 --> 02:07:07,050
over a three hour discussion they had for their their town or their city. But they ended up

1415
02:07:08,070 --> 02:07:12,450
citing to terminate or excuse me not renew I should specify because they were coming up to the

1416
02:07:12,450 --> 02:07:17,510
end of their contract term and so the council decided not to renew and so they terminated their

1417
02:07:18,250 --> 02:07:19,570
involved in a flock.

1418
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:27,070
Just last night, the technology committee met to discuss their

1419
02:07:27,070 --> 02:07:29,970
opinion on the flock contract, and it was a...

1420
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:59,620
Very in-depth conversation about data privacy concerns about how to encrypt data in the electronic keys and servers and just show the great wealth of knowledge that we have on the technology committee, but they ultimately decided that they wanted more time to talk specifically with flock if the council should so allow to be able to help them enhance their data privacy structure of their service so that they could protect the data more.

1421
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:01,400
So that was the motion that was passed

1422
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:03,040
at the technology committee meeting.

1423
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,020
We look at it as a fiscal impact.

1424
02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:12,060
So the town has 31 cameras at an annual cost of $31,

1425
02:08:12,460 --> 02:08:13,880
excuse me, $91,000.

1426
02:08:14,540 --> 02:08:16,840
$93, $93, that's a type on 93.

1427
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:20,760
Our five-year contract is comprised of five

1428
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,640
one-year terms each aligned with the fiscal year,

1429
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,880
the contract ends in 20, 20, it's excuse me, 2030.

1430
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:30,420
And I just say that aligns with the fiscal year.

1431
02:08:30,460 --> 02:08:31,340
We pay up front.

1432
02:08:31,340 --> 02:08:37,720
So we have already paid for the current fiscal year, and to exit the contract, we need a 30 day

1433
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:44,780
written notice for the end of the current terms, or well before that, I would be 30 days before June 30th.

1434
02:08:47,590 --> 02:08:54,290
Sequetia had a question, this cost of $90,000 is very misleading, because we also pay

1435
02:08:54,290 --> 02:08:59,470
hundreds of thousands dollars to the sheriff's department to interpret the data on the LPR.

1436
02:08:59,470 --> 02:09:05,950
So it's not just 90,000. It's also the 200,300,000, 300,000. I'm not sure it is, but it's a big number.

1437
02:09:06,710 --> 02:09:13,650
We spend that because the shares department has to go in and, you know, every time it's a hit, they have to look at it.

1438
02:09:13,870 --> 02:09:24,610
You do bring up a good point. Yes, there is some involvement with the sheriff whenever there is an investigation going on. They will charge their hours for that specific case against their contracting payments for them.

1439
02:09:25,230 --> 02:09:28,790
What I was speaking about on the past slide was specifically for

1440
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:32,310
proponents to flock, but you do bring up a good point that that is connected.

1441
02:09:32,630 --> 02:09:36,810
But the bigger question is, what is, what are the ALPR's costing us?

1442
02:09:37,010 --> 02:09:38,330
And what are we getting back at return?

1443
02:09:38,530 --> 02:09:40,090
That's the analysis that needs to be done.

1444
02:09:41,170 --> 02:09:41,590
That level.

1445
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:43,050
That one may be spent elsewhere.

1446
02:09:43,390 --> 02:09:44,450
What's the return on investment?

1447
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:46,150
Yes, I understand the question.

1448
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:49,670
You're asking that level of specificity into the specific

1449
02:09:49,670 --> 02:09:54,630
hours of the usage of the flux system in the category of investigative services in the share of

1450
02:09:54,630 --> 02:09:59,170
supportment has not been provided to us, but it's something that we could ask about what how many

1451
02:09:59,170 --> 02:10:03,350
hours it's specifically are they using when they're logging onto the system. I think they're

1452
02:10:03,890 --> 02:10:06,430
in the 200,000 range.

1453
02:10:09,740 --> 02:10:15,340
Any other question on that topic or moving on? I come forward with six options

1454
02:10:15,340 --> 02:10:21,340
that you could consider. We could have no change in continue the service. We can reduce the number of

1455
02:10:21,340 --> 02:10:27,980
in town from the current 31 to any number so the council chooses, we could decide not to renew the

1456
02:10:27,980 --> 02:10:33,440
cameras into the fiscal years. So we'll have the service through the period that we have already

1457
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:38,380
paid for, which would be June 30th. We could cancel the contract immediately and extract them

1458
02:10:38,380 --> 02:10:43,200
to turn off the cameras and just eat that song cost for what we paid. We could do something similar

1459
02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:49,500
to what the city of Saratobid doesn't they actually allow the residents themselves fund for the

1460
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:54,620
And so if there are some residents in town that do want to have cameras,

1461
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:59,920
we could look to our neighboring city as a benchmark and come up with a program to be able to fund them.

1462
02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:01,460
That's an option we could explore further.

1463
02:11:02,620 --> 02:11:04,880
Or number six and this came just from last night.

1464
02:11:05,180 --> 02:11:09,740
We could allow the technology community to work further with flock to try to improve their data security.

1465
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:12,100
That's the end of my presentation.

1466
02:11:12,420 --> 02:11:18,140
I will actually actually do have some a couple of cameras on private property in town.

1467
02:11:18,140 --> 02:11:18,900
Yes, we do.

1468
02:11:19,180 --> 02:11:20,080
I was right now.

1469
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:25,220
We could expand that program, advertise it, to engage those residents that's so wish

1470
02:11:25,220 --> 02:11:25,860
to you do that.

1471
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:26,960
Thank you.

1472
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:28,120
One more question.

1473
02:11:29,340 --> 02:11:35,300
So I think whatever decision we make, while they're the social justice component to it

1474
02:11:35,300 --> 02:11:42,020
in terms of the data breaches, there's also the impact in terms of town safety, I feel the decision

1475
02:11:42,640 --> 02:11:48,060
to continue and not continue needs to be taken holistically in the context of public

1476
02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:55,640
safety. So the sheriff has already indicated to us that our costs of enforcement is going to

1477
02:11:55,640 --> 02:12:01,080
go up by like a million dollars, maybe it's going to go up substantially. The question is, where will

1478
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:07,640
that tax dollars best be makes sense? So how much should be said? How much should be sending on

1479
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:13,300
private control? How much should we send on the sheriff's contract? How much on flat? Where should

1480
02:12:13,300 --> 02:12:19,260
spent. I think to make a decision just on this may not make sense, I think it needs to be

1481
02:12:19,260 --> 02:12:25,460
more holistic decision. And you do bring up a good point. I would also echo what you're saying.

1482
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:30,360
It advised the council to think of it as the full public safety approach. All those aspects

1483
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:35,220
I would even add are another tier of that the neighborhood watch program, all of that even

1484
02:12:35,220 --> 02:12:41,780
that's a minimal expense. It's part of our strategy in addressing crime in town. I think I think

1485
02:12:41,780 --> 02:12:42,640
that altogether.

1486
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:49,520
I fall back on this is brought up because of the allegations against them,

1487
02:12:50,140 --> 02:12:52,380
but I agree with what you're saying.

1488
02:12:55,090 --> 02:12:56,010
Linda, go ahead.

1489
02:12:56,670 --> 02:13:06,230
I think one more option to consider is to, if we want to cancel the try to get our money back,

1490
02:13:06,230 --> 02:13:16,630
because flock over and over again has said that our data is secure, it's not shared with anyone else,

1491
02:13:16,970 --> 02:13:24,810
it's private. And that was one of the big selling points for going ahead with this in the first place.

1492
02:13:25,390 --> 02:13:35,470
I know I assured our residents that it would not violate their privacy, the data would stay with the sheriff,

1493
02:13:35,470 --> 02:13:42,810
But now we find out that that's not really true, and so I feel that they have been

1494
02:13:42,810 --> 02:13:44,470
deceptive in that.

1495
02:13:46,650 --> 02:13:53,030
I think that that is a valid reason for invalidating the contract if

1496
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:57,630
that's what we want to do. I think that's something we really should consider.

1497
02:14:00,810 --> 02:14:06,790
And I think we refer to this as a data breach. I don't think it's a data breach to the data

1498
02:14:06,790 --> 02:14:16,650
sharing with ICE. There's a big difference. So they can fortify their systems so that there's

1499
02:14:16,650 --> 02:14:20,830
no more data breach, but what happens with the essential sharing? That's the difference.

1500
02:14:21,430 --> 02:14:28,930
And that's what is happening here. But generally, when companies have data breaches, they end up

1501
02:14:28,930 --> 02:14:38,950
for it. You know, you get some money from Google or from different companies to punish them for

1502
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:44,770
allowing a data breach. So if if luck has allowed it, then maybe we should get our money back

1503
02:14:45,570 --> 02:14:50,650
as a penalty for them not being careful with their data like they should have been.

1504
02:14:53,540 --> 02:14:58,840
Mayor, I'm eager to offer my comments, but I do believe that we should focus. If we focus on questions

1505
02:14:58,840 --> 02:14:59,980
Now I would like to hear from...

1506
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,920
The public and then I would like to give my hearts and do it in that order. I haven't spoken yet.

1507
02:15:05,180 --> 02:15:08,700
Oh, wait. All right. Let's take public comment.

1508
02:15:15,610 --> 02:15:29,390
I just have my two cents. It just seems like flock is a little archaic. Even for our residential now since the last 12 months we moved forward with cameras where AI is doing half of the work.

1509
02:15:29,390 --> 02:15:36,710
So if the cost is not just of the cameras but also the sheriff's department's best, spending hours trying to look at that.

1510
02:15:36,890 --> 02:15:44,050
I think maybe the technology committee should be given some leverage to look at what other options are available

1511
02:15:44,050 --> 02:15:48,630
because AI is solving a lot of that work in the back.

1512
02:15:49,110 --> 02:15:53,350
And I do believe as residents it was better for us to have the cameras.

1513
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:56,030
I know that we have Lidicoat Circle, which

1514
02:15:56,030 --> 02:15:59,750
has teps all the time, and they were super happy

1515
02:15:59,750 --> 02:16:00,710
to have the cameras.

1516
02:16:01,270 --> 02:16:03,430
Friends on that street, we have planes on it,

1517
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:04,570
and they were really happy.

1518
02:16:04,910 --> 02:16:06,510
But I think this is not a data breach,

1519
02:16:07,370 --> 02:16:10,390
and I don't know how we can solve

1520
02:16:11,390 --> 02:16:14,570
when some big committee asks for that data

1521
02:16:14,570 --> 02:16:15,990
where nobody can refuse.

1522
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:18,190
So that's the problem we are having.

1523
02:16:18,330 --> 02:16:21,430
We need a data which nobody can get out of that system.

1524
02:16:22,590 --> 02:16:23,290
I

1525
02:16:25,300 --> 02:16:27,920
have a lot in the outcomes.

1526
02:16:38,540 --> 02:16:42,140
I have a presentation if you give me the time to present it.

1527
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:43,900
I would highly appreciate that.

1528
02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:50,120
Would the council like to extend time for Mr. Ranganathan for five minutes?

1529
02:16:51,940 --> 02:16:53,000
We have five minutes, sir.

1530
02:16:53,260 --> 02:16:53,420
Okay.

1531
02:16:54,200 --> 02:16:54,500
Rush.

1532
02:17:00,780 --> 02:17:00,800
Yes.

1533
02:17:01,780 --> 02:17:02,120
Wrong word.

1534
02:17:06,330 --> 02:17:08,430
Okay. Let's go to the next slide.

1535
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:15,090
Thank you, council member Tanka for saying, not data breach, but active data sharing.

1536
02:17:16,210 --> 02:17:19,270
So what we have is, Flock has been sharing our data.

1537
02:17:19,650 --> 02:17:24,530
It's been reported extensively with an entire alphabet soup of federal agencies.

1538
02:17:25,730 --> 02:17:27,590
Next slide please.

1539
02:17:29,130 --> 02:17:31,010
And it's not just federal agencies.

1540
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:37,290
The state of Texas used it to track someone who went across state lines for an abortion.

1541
02:17:39,050 --> 02:17:43,130
We here obviously believe women have the right of abortion and we don't want people being tracked.

1542
02:17:43,450 --> 02:17:49,010
They were doing that. People going to knocking protests have been tracked. People going to a

1543
02:17:49,010 --> 02:17:51,610
rainy good protest tracked.

1544
02:17:52,970 --> 02:17:57,610
Ex-girlfriend was in a different place tracked. Next slide, please.

1545
02:18:00,660 --> 02:18:01,660
The current administration

1546
02:18:01,660 --> 02:18:06,620
has been punishing people for having the wrong opinion about current events.

1547
02:18:06,620 --> 02:18:10,380
Flock has a feature that will let you search by bumper sticker.

1548
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:17,120
So it will literally track who has the wrong opinion on Israel,

1549
02:18:17,620 --> 02:18:20,800
whether wrong opinion on Charlie Kirk and this can be recognized.

1550
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:25,980
So we're not just talking about the other anymore.

1551
02:18:26,180 --> 02:18:28,320
We're talking about look around here.

1552
02:18:28,540 --> 02:18:34,140
You have natural license and yesterday or a couple days ago the president or someone said they would

1553
02:18:34,140 --> 02:18:38,920
naturalized people who have the wrong political opinion.

1554
02:18:41,310 --> 02:18:43,870
Next slide please. So maybe it's

1555
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:47,530
just happening in Kansas, Texas, all the red seats, what it happened here, right? This is

1556
02:18:47,530 --> 02:18:56,770
California, area, we are all very, very, very advanced here in these things. Guess what? Next

1557
02:18:56,770 --> 02:19:05,250
slide please. We're not just talking about legal access where flock gave them the data. We're talking

1558
02:19:05,250 --> 02:19:10,450
But cases where parcels were stolen from cops in the new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new.

1559
02:19:11,210 --> 02:19:18,350
But cases where parcels were taken off the dark web, where cops had somehow had malware and got phished or whatever.

1560
02:19:19,530 --> 02:19:20,610
Next slide, please.

1561
02:19:22,710 --> 02:19:27,250
Or the last year, I've been trying to find out how secure is our installation of lock.

1562
02:19:27,370 --> 02:19:29,650
Because finally, that's what matters to us here.

1563
02:19:30,190 --> 02:19:34,050
I've made lots of CPR requests to the, to the sheriff's department.

1564
02:19:36,810 --> 02:19:40,050
So, we said we only want to share data within our county.

1565
02:19:41,010 --> 02:19:44,570
It's clearly it appears that searches have been made out of out of the county.

1566
02:19:45,470 --> 02:19:49,690
Next slide, our agreement with the sheriff and California law are very clear.

1567
02:19:49,790 --> 02:19:57,110
Every time a search is made, you should have a good valid reason, which means a case number or a suspect's name.

1568
02:19:58,130 --> 02:20:01,530
A majority, the plurality of the search is just a investigation.

1569
02:20:02,390 --> 02:20:05,110
California AG, Bonta has been very clear, you can't say that.

1570
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:11,430
have to have a reason, but these are the kinds of reasons you find. I ask them who are the people

1571
02:20:11,430 --> 02:20:18,150
who are access to our flux system. Why does the deputy director of county communications need to know

1572
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:24,550
who's traveling where? It's unclear. I ask them what training are you giving the people who use this?

1573
02:20:26,690 --> 02:20:31,090
I did not get a response. I noticed an hour ago that there was some response in my email,

1574
02:20:31,090 --> 02:20:38,350
not had a chance to look at it. But it's clear that oversight is lacking. Next slide please.

1575
02:20:39,710 --> 02:20:44,690
We had told them that we won't audits done every year. California law requires audits done every

1576
02:20:44,690 --> 02:20:50,050
year. I asked for the audits. We should have four of five audits by now. I was sent an audit trail.

1577
02:20:50,450 --> 02:20:54,730
I was sent every search that was done. This was not an audit. It's like you guys asked for a financial

1578
02:20:54,730 --> 02:20:58,790
audit and they just give you every financial transaction that's been done over the last year.

1579
02:20:59,790 --> 02:21:09,790
That's not an art, that's just a bookkeeping. Next slide please. The thing is there is no way we can have oversight or what the sheriff is doing.

1580
02:21:11,390 --> 02:21:18,990
Flock is not credible at all, so let's work with Flock and let's find a way to make this more reliable, more secure.

1581
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:25,110
doesn't work. Flock has changed answer multiple times just over the last year. It started out with

1582
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:31,450
we are not cooperating with anyone, we are not cooperating with every federal department that is.

1583
02:21:35,980 --> 02:21:42,480
And finally, the feds have subpoena power, right? So, at any time they can get what they want. Next slide please.

1584
02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:50,180
And then it comes to consumer-matankos question. Is it worth it? You spent at least a half million dollars over the last five years.

1585
02:21:50,180 --> 02:21:58,260
Apparently, you had two, a rest based on it, like we could have paid those people that money and they would have been happy.

1586
02:21:59,380 --> 02:22:07,640
I mean, what are we spending our money on? Think about not just financial costs, but the cost to all the people around us.

1587
02:22:07,880 --> 02:22:12,500
You know, grandmas going to protest, trying to get driving to school with the wrong bumper sticker.

1588
02:22:13,580 --> 02:22:17,220
This is what we are being weaponized against us, just shut down the numbers.

1589
02:22:17,220 --> 02:22:21,580
I really appreciate the detailed presentation.

1590
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:22,600
Thank you.

1591
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:25,660
Thank you very much.

1592
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:29,570
Anybody else?

1593
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:32,920
In, yeah, go ahead.

1594
02:22:34,380 --> 02:22:43,500
Eric, and I just want to thank the gentleman for his presentation. It really brought into focus how our civil rights can and are being violated by this type of surveillance system.

1595
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:55,900
I would say, cancel the flock contract and let's come up with a local solution where there's more privacy and security with our data and information. Thank you.

1596
02:22:55,900 --> 02:22:57,840
Thank you.

1597
02:22:57,860 --> 02:22:58,780
Anybody online?

1598
02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:01,280
I have one person, Ryan.

1599
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:05,650
Thank you, council members.

1600
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:10,430
I appreciate the detail that fellow community member went into about

1601
02:23:10,430 --> 02:23:11,270
lock cameras.

1602
02:23:11,770 --> 02:23:16,570
I want to point out some things very specific to low-falter sales.

1603
02:23:17,150 --> 02:23:20,170
Specifically, you guys have an ALPR opt-out list,

1604
02:23:20,470 --> 02:23:24,110
and I want to point out the kind of issues that exist in this.

1605
02:23:24,890 --> 02:23:25,830
It's specifically noted.

1606
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:29,930
And please note that the opt-out applies to license plate, not vehicles.

1607
02:23:30,930 --> 02:23:36,090
As the fellow community member noted, this is because flock cameras fundamentally are not

1608
02:23:36,090 --> 02:23:40,990
license plate reader cameras, they are AI detection cameras, they can identify vehicle

1609
02:23:40,990 --> 02:23:45,830
markings, bumper stickers, and other factors related to a vehicle.

1610
02:23:46,130 --> 02:23:52,690
They're tracking significantly more data than the general public would assume they do, which

1611
02:23:52,690 --> 02:23:56,510
is a serious privacy concern, I believe, for all citizens.

1612
02:23:58,650 --> 02:24:01,330
Within the technology committee last

1613
02:24:01,330 --> 02:24:08,790
night, as mentioned here, also, two burglars have been attested to being solved or helped

1614
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:15,610
by-float cameras versus the addition of funds in public or private security being able

1615
02:24:15,610 --> 02:24:18,290
to significantly show causal relationships

1616
02:24:18,290 --> 02:24:20,930
in the reduction of burglarys.

1617
02:24:22,350 --> 02:24:26,770
And it should just be wildly concerning to people.

1618
02:24:27,470 --> 02:24:29,810
To council member Linda's point,

1619
02:24:30,850 --> 02:24:35,350
I think the ideas of data privacy with flock are misleading.

1620
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:37,250
When we talk about security,

1621
02:24:38,030 --> 02:24:40,330
we need to remember that these are cameras

1622
02:24:40,330 --> 02:24:44,970
that are running on Android 8.1 to not be too technical,

1623
02:24:44,970 --> 02:24:54,870
It's an operating system for a mobile device that came out in 2017, and the vast majority of our cameras that are deployed are running that, they haven't had security updates in a very long time.

1624
02:24:55,470 --> 02:25:06,450
So aside from many cameras being accessed over the web with default credentials, being able to walk up and turn on Bluetooth on your phone and get into the cameras is a big privacy concern.

1625
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:10,750
No matter where the data stored in the cloud, it still has to exist on the device first.

1626
02:25:11,230 --> 02:25:11,970
Thank you.

1627
02:25:14,140 --> 02:25:17,340
Thank you anybody else online. No mayor.

1628
02:25:23,740 --> 02:25:27,220
Okay, see we have capital Valzuela and our

1629
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:34,900
As from the sheriff's office here, would you care to give us your thoughts on flock capital Alza?

1630
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:41,720
Good evening Mayor council.

1631
02:25:42,500 --> 02:25:48,600
Flocks been a tool for us like we express when the town wanted to get into the flock contract.

1632
02:25:48,740 --> 02:25:52,280
It's always it's a tool for us. It's not going to solve every crime

1633
02:25:52,820 --> 02:25:56,120
But it is a tool that already detectives in our deputies can use.

1634
02:25:57,060 --> 02:25:59,280
I will add just a couple of things.

1635
02:26:00,480 --> 02:26:05,320
We will be changing our standardized policy on license plate readers.

1636
02:26:06,820 --> 02:26:09,420
If any talent or any city wants to go to a different vendor,

1637
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:12,000
we would still have that policy available.

1638
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:14,160
That's if the talent wanted to do a different vendor

1639
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:17,260
or continuing with the same technology as different vendor.

1640
02:26:18,180 --> 02:26:21,020
And then I will add that we are a closed system.

1641
02:26:21,020 --> 02:26:30,780
we don't share with anyone currently and we do conduct weekly audits and we do have a yearly report

1642
02:26:30,780 --> 02:26:37,820
to the Board of Supervisors on the usage of our flood cameras and that's what I will say about that.

1643
02:26:38,260 --> 02:26:44,460
Thank you. I had a question for you sir. I thought a while back there was an initiative to do some

1644
02:26:44,460 --> 02:26:50,180
data sharing. Can you speak to what exactly that was because I just heard you say that you don't share?

1645
02:26:50,180 --> 02:26:58,080
Correct. There was an initiative to start data sharing with local agencies within the county. However, our county council reviewed the

1646
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:04,860
MOU with lock and decided that we should have an individual MOU with each city

1647
02:27:04,860 --> 02:27:09,880
If we're going to do data sharing as far as right now. We don't have any MOU with any city to data share

1648
02:27:09,880 --> 02:27:15,460
But you may in the future once you have those MOUs if there has been yet. We just haven't had any

1649
02:27:15,460 --> 02:27:17,720
Interesting in that in that regard

1650
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:36,020
Okay, can you give us some idea of how many hours your detective's been looking at this because I'm kind of skeptical that a lot of burglaries and down get investigated because you know I from my very very cursory awareness of the sheriff's department.

1651
02:27:38,100 --> 02:27:44,660
The sheriffs, your detectives have a lot of very high priority cases, you know, homicides

1652
02:27:44,660 --> 02:27:50,060
and violent crime and all of that, maybe you know, armed robberies.

1653
02:27:50,660 --> 02:27:57,540
The amount of time that they're willing to spend on a homeboat degree, my impression is

1654
02:27:57,540 --> 02:28:00,140
as very limited if there's any at all.

1655
02:28:00,140 --> 02:28:06,400
The detective's will spend some time on flock on any property crime or any crime that occurred.

1656
02:28:07,180 --> 02:28:15,240
I think the key is if we have a specific time frame, because if we have a broad weekend

1657
02:28:15,240 --> 02:28:18,020
or a week, it's fully not going to be available for us.

1658
02:28:18,020 --> 02:28:20,460
It doesn't tell us this is the scar that's still on here.

1659
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:25,260
If we have a narrow window that we can look at,

1660
02:28:25,260 --> 02:28:31,680
I did advise the city manager earlier today that we did have, I talked to our detectives

1661
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:38,360
and we did have a lead on a male theft slash person with steel and checks and cashing

1662
02:28:38,360 --> 02:28:43,640
them and we do have a lead on that based upon flock that the text was following up on day

1663
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:44,700
by identified the suspect.

1664
02:28:45,480 --> 02:28:49,800
There's still waiting on some other data with search words before they can enact and

1665
02:28:49,800 --> 02:28:50,760
arrest warrant on that.

1666
02:28:50,960 --> 02:28:52,480
So there is one right now.

1667
02:28:52,660 --> 02:28:52,840
All right.

1668
02:28:52,940 --> 02:28:53,620
Thank you.

1669
02:28:53,820 --> 02:28:54,300
We'll prop.

1670
02:28:54,300 --> 02:28:57,240
Okay, with that, I guess we can bring it back to council.

1671
02:28:58,740 --> 02:29:00,240
Do you like to stand?

1672
02:29:02,300 --> 02:29:06,160
Several months ago, I actually did some reading.

1673
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:08,180
It was from next door.

1674
02:29:08,960 --> 02:29:12,640
I don't know how many of you actually read next door posts.

1675
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:17,500
However, this one was very interesting because it had to deal with flock.

1676
02:29:18,340 --> 02:29:19,300
I went to it.

1677
02:29:19,400 --> 02:29:23,760
It was an extremely long article and it was adverse against flock.

1678
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:31,140
It was about the data sharing that occurred and how there were breaches in the data sharing

1679
02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:33,300
as was shared by Anon earlier.

1680
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:37,380
I'm not comfortable with the data breaches in the first place.

1681
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:46,820
Secondly, if there were data breaches as was described, I think that the town is, and it should

1682
02:29:46,820 --> 02:29:52,400
get some legal remedies for the damages that we have.

1683
02:29:53,660 --> 02:29:59,840
Thirdly, I think that the situation with natural national politics.

1684
02:30:00,780 --> 02:30:11,000
Is very dire today. And the personal privacy of all of us in this room may be attacked. I don't want it to be attacked.

1685
02:30:11,860 --> 02:30:21,700
Not with our own equipment, maybe national government could bring out their own equipment and try to get our faces red and so forth.

1686
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:27,060
But the types of vehicles that we have in town, the license plate numbers, you can see the

1687
02:30:28,020 --> 02:30:33,920
followers of the vehicles, the makes of the vehicles, you can even see some of the faces, I believe.

1688
02:30:36,310 --> 02:30:39,070
If you don't believe that, I think that I could see that.

1689
02:30:40,290 --> 02:30:43,870
So, I think that there are two things.

1690
02:30:44,390 --> 02:30:46,870
The first of which is we have a current contract.

1691
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:50,950
Maybe we should just let it run with paid for the contract already.

1692
02:30:51,830 --> 02:31:03,930
Secondly, we should help our technology team review the situation, give us some time, and make sure that our data is safe, and talk with the flock about it.

1693
02:31:04,110 --> 02:31:08,530
Because this is not just a problem that we help with Los Alto's skills.

1694
02:31:08,770 --> 02:31:12,010
It's the problem that flock has nationally.

1695
02:31:12,210 --> 02:31:16,950
We were one of the first in our area to enlist the services of flock.

1696
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:25,550
The entire nation now has armies of flocks all over the place, and if we bring this

1697
02:31:25,550 --> 02:31:31,810
to light, I think that our technology committee has the ability to maybe restrain some

1698
02:31:31,810 --> 02:31:47,540
of that type of intrusion on our security systems. Those are my recommendations, and there are

1699
02:31:47,540 --> 02:31:48,460
I

1700
02:31:56,940 --> 02:32:03,940
feel bad about having paid for the service and being deceived and not getting our money back.

1701
02:32:04,120 --> 02:32:15,080
So I think the decision is, is it worth it just to cut it off and lose the money or continue till the contract ends?

1702
02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:25,640
But if that's the case, if we're going to continue, I'd like to vote right now to give them notice that we're opting out as of the end of this fiscal year.

1703
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:32,640
So that we don't, you know, miss the deadline or have any hiccup and get stuck for another year.

1704
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:35,900
Thank you.

1705
02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:43,950
So I don't think the Flock cameras prevent any crime.

1706
02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:53,190
They might be a deterrent, but when the car is still in, and the number plate is still in, they're not even a deterrent.

1707
02:32:53,190 --> 02:33:00,090
buglers these days are not using their own cars and real number plates to embark on these buglers.

1708
02:33:01,510 --> 02:33:10,670
So I don't think that it helps us. I think what's happening is that we're spending

1709
02:33:10,670 --> 02:33:16,930
far too many dollars on the LPR system combined with the amount we're paying the sheriff to monitor

1710
02:33:16,930 --> 02:33:25,530
them and I think those dollars could be used was the additional officer that we need or having

1711
02:33:25,530 --> 02:33:26,370
private security.

1712
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:32,890
I think what really is, if you look at the numbers, a buggeries did not go down once we started

1713
02:33:32,890 --> 02:33:38,350
using ALPR, it took a good two years and then they only went down when we started using private

1714
02:33:38,350 --> 02:33:38,850
security.

1715
02:33:38,850 --> 02:33:42,210
I think that's what really helps.

1716
02:33:43,570 --> 02:33:45,810
I think that most

1717
02:33:49,010 --> 02:33:52,050
importantly, I think we're living in extraordinary times

1718
02:33:52,730 --> 02:34:00,180
to expect flock to hold out and not give our information away

1719
02:34:00,590 --> 02:34:05,630
is expecting too much when everybody else is rolling over.

1720
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:08,190
So I think we're expecting too much.

1721
02:34:08,190 --> 02:34:16,990
I think any measure that is taking by us of flock will never save us or help us in the situation.

1722
02:34:17,690 --> 02:34:20,330
And I think we're better off cutting it off.

1723
02:34:21,050 --> 02:34:25,630
I don't want to wait till the end of the year. That's one entire year.

1724
02:34:25,890 --> 02:34:30,550
Given that it's not really helping us, what is it done for us solved two small crimes?

1725
02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:38,380
I'm not sure. We've had several years of the last five years. They've only gone down now.

1726
02:34:38,380 --> 02:34:44,360
those boundaries were never prevented. I'm not sure I think at the time we adopted this as a

1727
02:34:44,360 --> 02:34:51,020
council, we really thought that this would work and our residents felt this at work but now

1728
02:34:51,020 --> 02:34:57,420
several years later the data is out. I don't think we've seen the return on our investment and I think

1729
02:34:57,420 --> 02:35:02,400
it's better to cut our losses when we can, especially given the potential of harm that can cause

1730
02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:08,140
to our residents, we're not just talking about a certain number of people, I think everybody

1731
02:35:08,140 --> 02:35:09,200
is at risk today.

1732
02:35:10,420 --> 02:35:12,040
So I think we should take this seriously.

1733
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:16,780
George, thank you.

1734
02:35:17,640 --> 02:35:20,100
You know, when this first came up, I was receptive.

1735
02:35:21,100 --> 02:35:27,480
There were arguments about privacy, and I believe in the notion that you don't when you're

1736
02:35:27,480 --> 02:35:28,880
out on the road, you lose privacy.

1737
02:35:29,220 --> 02:35:33,840
There's plenty of cameras out there, and all that I didn't strike me as being that serious

1738
02:35:34,720 --> 02:36:03,820
concern. And I felt like the magnitude of the benefit was going to outweigh that. And as time is gone by we've learned more. We've learned more about effectiveness. And we've learned more about some of these data breaches here. And I've done a lot of reflecting actually in the last year. And I don't know how I come across. But I think I'm usually a calm business like person who makes rational decisions. That's at least myself for you. But I'm going to go out a little bit on a.

1739
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:08,880
a different direction, because, I mean, earlier today, we heard one of the speakers talk about

1740
02:36:08,880 --> 02:36:14,000
coming to this country with a hundred dollars in his pocket, and I thought, this is the land

1741
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:21,020
of opportunity, and how did it become so? So that's a, compared to other places in this world,

1742
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:28,080
I feel like it comes down to the rule of law, and the opportunity comes from the rule of law,

1743
02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:30,240
knowing about what you can expect.

1744
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:33,000
And I also, the ability to use your free speech.

1745
02:36:33,960 --> 02:36:37,080
And so we had a little lesson about free speech

1746
02:36:37,080 --> 02:36:37,840
earlier, didn't we?

1747
02:36:37,940 --> 02:36:38,920
I feel remember that.

1748
02:36:39,460 --> 02:36:41,120
But it's an important thing to us.

1749
02:36:41,140 --> 02:36:42,020
It's a core value.

1750
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:45,900
And so I have to say, actually in this last year,

1751
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:49,600
I'm puzzling and I see things like deporting,

1752
02:36:49,700 --> 02:36:52,700
legal immigrants, I do to free speech issues.

1753
02:36:53,100 --> 02:36:56,960
More recently, threatening to devote

1754
02:36:56,960 --> 02:37:02,720
a sitting senators and reduces pension because of something he said

1755
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:08,220
how about criminal charges

1756
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:16,140
against a fed chair, you know, as a blunt weapon, and so what originally became just an issue

1757
02:37:16,140 --> 02:37:23,680
about ICE, I think it feels very much like it's everybody. And so I'm going to say, I heard what

1758
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:29,980
Council member Linda R. Swan said, and you know I call that rat hole money rat hole money is

1759
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:44,480
So money used spent, and then it's not, you don't need it. It's not good anymore. And then also I look and I think, yeah, we can kick the can down the road. We can always ask the technology committee, but my issues, the technology committee is not going to solve.

1760
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:51,080
So I'm going to say, I'm in favor of option for cancelled immediately and be done with it.

1761
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:57,680
And the evidence that it's a value to us is so weak and the risks and the amount of control

1762
02:37:57,680 --> 02:37:58,720
I'm not convinced.

1763
02:37:58,900 --> 02:38:00,300
And so that's where I end up.

1764
02:38:02,680 --> 02:38:03,540
Thank you, George.

1765
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:13,260
Some of you may know I was probably the guy that pushed hardest to get the OPRs into town.

1766
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:20,380
And I was grateful to the council for trying that out and for deploying him to try and address

1767
02:38:20,380 --> 02:38:28,020
skyrocketing burglaries at the time. The burglaries rates are down overall, not just in

1768
02:38:28,020 --> 02:38:33,540
Los Alto's Hills where we have 31 cameras, but in pretty much all of the neighboring towns,

1769
02:38:34,060 --> 02:38:36,380
with the exception of Cupertino don't ask.

1770
02:38:38,860 --> 02:38:43,260
I think I'm not sure how much time the sheriff and the

1771
02:38:43,260 --> 02:38:48,340
detectives in the sheriff's, the sheriff's deputies and the detectives actually look at these cameras.

1772
02:38:48,340 --> 02:38:52,280
So we typically have one Sheriff's deputy patrolling town

1773
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:53,540
when they're here.

1774
02:38:54,360 --> 02:38:58,460
And if there's a license plate that's flagged

1775
02:38:58,460 --> 02:39:02,680
on a camera in town, by the time that deputy gets

1776
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,280
to that location or near that location,

1777
02:39:05,440 --> 02:39:07,140
that vehicle is probably moved on

1778
02:39:07,140 --> 02:39:08,920
and it's almost impossible to find.

1779
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:13,120
So this whole thing about getting a notification

1780
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:16,500
within 22 seconds and being able to respond

1781
02:39:16,500 --> 02:39:21,440
doesn't really work in our town because of the lack of resources we have of personal

1782
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:22,240
resources.

1783
02:39:24,300 --> 02:39:25,840
On this issue of privacy,

1784
02:39:28,680 --> 02:39:32,920
you know, there are a lot of holes in privacy policy nowadays.

1785
02:39:33,180 --> 02:39:37,220
If the federal government really wants to investigate somebody, they can get access to their

1786
02:39:37,220 --> 02:39:43,180
emails, their phone calls, their, you know, lots and lots of stuff, credit card information.

1787
02:39:44,300 --> 02:39:48,520
So, you know, taking the cameras out of Los Alto Cills,

1788
02:39:48,680 --> 02:39:51,920
yeah, it kind of gives us a feeling that now we're not being tracked,

1789
02:39:52,320 --> 02:39:56,040
but guess what, when you drive from here into Palo Alto or into Los Alto Cells,

1790
02:39:56,180 --> 02:39:59,320
or into Cooperative, you're back to the cameras again.

1791
02:39:59,860 --> 02:40:03,420
So it doesn't really change the whole privacy that much.

1792
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:12,420
But I will say, we should assume that the data that's recorded by flock,

1793
02:40:12,420 --> 02:40:19,700
will be accessed. Whether it's by legal means by a court order or whether it's by somebody

1794
02:40:19,700 --> 02:40:24,400
sharing a password or the federal government saying the flock we're going to shut you down

1795
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:30,420
in 24 hours unless you give us access what are they going to do. So just assume that that data

1796
02:40:30,420 --> 02:40:39,700
is not going to be protected. That's the reality. The other thing is there are lots of work around

1797
02:40:39,700 --> 02:40:50,900
If you don't want to be tracked by flock, you can go to your favorite shopping mall, rip off a license plate, put it on your car.

1798
02:40:51,740 --> 02:40:59,640
It's not yet reported stolen, and so it doesn't trigger any ALPR and you're off to the races.

1799
02:41:01,140 --> 02:41:05,700
I guess what, you don't even have to do that. Just take your license plate off completely.

1800
02:41:06,900 --> 02:41:18,220
And you could just drive by the LPR, you know, you don't have bumper sticker, you don't have license plate, what's a gunner report, nothing, you know, blue Toyota drove by, well, okay.

1801
02:41:19,240 --> 02:41:25,780
So I think there are a lot of limitations, and I really want to acknowledge what Council Member Tanka said,

1802
02:41:25,780 --> 02:41:33,620
When we first deployed flock in town, we had no burglaries for two months, and then they took off.

1803
02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:41,080
In fact, in 2020-23, we had a record of 60 burglaries.

1804
02:41:41,240 --> 02:41:44,520
We were actually on track to hit about 90 that year.

1805
02:41:44,980 --> 02:41:50,780
But because of the council at that time, I want to give council member Tunkau the credit for this.

1806
02:41:50,780 --> 02:42:00,080
We brought in private security and that actually bent the arc and has continuously pushed

1807
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,080
the buggery rates down in my view.

1808
02:42:02,260 --> 02:42:06,320
Correlation is not causation, but it might be.

1809
02:42:08,340 --> 02:42:14,140
So overall, I don't think our burglary rates have really gone down because of flock.

1810
02:42:14,740 --> 02:42:19,420
I don't think we can expect privacy whether we have flock or not.

1811
02:42:19,420 --> 02:42:25,380
And I think there are plenty of ways to defeat Flock, and to Council Member Tanka's point,

1812
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:29,940
that $93,000 is a portion of what we spend.

1813
02:42:30,840 --> 02:42:36,620
There's another portion of overhead from the sheriff in reviewing this and all of the

1814
02:42:36,620 --> 02:42:41,020
supposed audits and everything they're supposed to be done, but we don't have any evidence of.

1815
02:42:43,020 --> 02:42:49,100
So, I have to say, for me to set up here and tell you that this idea I had

1816
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:55,140
how to keep us safe or isn't working is humbling but it's reality and we need to embrace

1817
02:42:55,140 --> 02:43:02,020
the reality. I was at the technology committee meeting yesterday and I can tell you it

1818
02:43:02,020 --> 02:43:08,420
doesn't matter what we recommend to flock they're going to need that data to train their

1819
02:43:08,420 --> 02:43:14,720
AI systems so they will have that data whether it's anonymized or not and if they have that data

1820
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:21,260
the data is going to be accessed, whether by them or others, it will be accessed. We cannot

1821
02:43:21,260 --> 02:43:29,320
ensure that it will never be accessed. So I would come down to the side of acknowledging that we

1822
02:43:29,320 --> 02:43:36,140
tried this experiment and it didn't work out the way we hoped. I would rather take that money

1823
02:43:36,140 --> 02:43:43,700
and deploy to private security. And as George and I have had many discussions about the effectiveness

1824
02:43:43,700 --> 02:43:49,060
of the private security and I can tell you my many conversations with the private security

1825
02:43:49,060 --> 02:43:55,900
folks I'm very impressed with the way they keep their eyes and ears open and how they watch

1826
02:43:55,900 --> 02:44:03,180
for unusual situations and so they also happen to cost one third of what we would be the sheriff for

1827
02:44:03,180 --> 02:44:12,180
overtime and as we know the sheriff's contract is going to go up I think from 2.8 to 3.7 something like

1828
02:44:12,180 --> 02:44:18,040
that big number. So we've got to find out money somewhere and this seems like a good place

1829
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:20,220
to find it. So that's where I come down.

1830
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:24,900
Now with that, I think I'd like to bring it back

1831
02:44:24,900 --> 02:44:31,800
to council. We have a couple of different up. We could defer to the technology committee and say,

1832
02:44:32,220 --> 02:44:38,280
come back with any findings or any recommendations or we could take action tonight,

1833
02:44:38,280 --> 02:44:55,380
whether it's to terminate them today, oh I guess tomorrow, or, or, or whether to terminate them at the end of our, our contract on June 30th with, as, as Council Member Swan said, given the notice now that we're terminating on June 30th.

1834
02:44:55,500 --> 02:44:59,500
So those are the three options I believe we would consider.

1835
02:45:02,990 --> 02:45:09,170
I would like to make a motion. I moved that we terminate the contract effective immediately.

1836
02:45:09,850 --> 02:45:17,350
I second that. And just to clarify the agenda is for the direction, so the motion would be to provide that direction to staff.

1837
02:45:17,650 --> 02:45:23,770
Is that? Yes. Yes. What you said? So direct staff to terminate that immediately.

1838
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:29,510
Okay. And you're second of that. Okay. We have a motion in the second.

1839
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:33,870
Councilmember Mark? Yes. Councilmember Swine?

1840
02:45:35,610 --> 02:45:41,250
Councilmember Tonka? Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes. Mayor Patasia? Yes. Thank you.

1841
02:45:41,710 --> 02:45:50,110
May I also ask if as part of that we could ask staff to ask Councilmember Swine

1842
02:45:50,110 --> 02:45:55,610
suggested see if we can get a pro-rated refund. At least make the effort.

1843
02:45:55,610 --> 02:46:00,490
Yeah, is that okay understood? All right, thank you

1844
02:46:00,490 --> 02:46:05,570
Would you like to check or folks if anyone's gonna have a 10 b because then we can move it up if they're

1845
02:46:06,330 --> 02:46:07,950
Thanks for them all people for this. I don't

1846
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:19,540
Which is the formation of the ad hoc committee if there are enough people we should move it up instead of keeping them here all right

1847
02:46:19,540 --> 02:46:22,460
So is that acceptable?

1848
02:46:24,600 --> 02:46:31,780
All right, so we're going to move to item 10B and that is a council initiated item.

1849
02:46:31,780 --> 02:46:32,820
Thank you, council member.

1850
02:46:34,040 --> 02:46:39,720
To consider forming a housing ad hoc committee for residential input on the housing element.

1851
02:46:40,780 --> 02:46:47,900
So we've heard from a number of residents that they would like to have a committee formed on the housing element.

1852
02:46:47,900 --> 02:46:55,900
we have a number of people in town who have been very involved and very knowledgeable about housing

1853
02:46:55,900 --> 02:47:02,640
and very interested in this issue and so the question has come up as to why don't we have a committee

1854
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:09,100
on this now we could have a standing committee or we could have an ad hoc committee and this item is

1855
02:47:09,100 --> 02:47:16,700
really to open up that discussion so I would first throw it open to council to see if you have any

1856
02:47:16,700 --> 02:47:18,820
comments before we go to public comment.

1857
02:47:21,890 --> 02:47:23,270
I have a comment.

1858
02:47:24,610 --> 02:47:28,090
So, you know, as the adage goes, if you want to get things done, walk alone.

1859
02:47:28,510 --> 02:47:32,850
But if you want to take everybody along, just take everybody else with you.

1860
02:47:32,850 --> 02:47:38,770
And I think we've tried it this way, but we've had ad hoc subcommittees of two council members,

1861
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:44,850
without having as much public input as we should have in the past several years.

1862
02:47:44,850 --> 02:47:53,450
I think it's time that we formed a committee that included everybody, in a notice those meetings, happy people come along.

1863
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:56,970
We have people who become stakeholders in the solution.

1864
02:47:57,550 --> 02:48:05,070
Otherwise, every time you decide to put the development in one location, the rest is there will get upset.

1865
02:48:05,490 --> 02:48:10,830
I think the only thing is collectively as a community, we come up with the solution, I think that's the only solution.

1866
02:48:11,370 --> 02:48:15,930
Because this is not going to help, we could keep having add-offs up committees of two council members.

1867
02:48:16,450 --> 02:48:18,870
Come up with the idea, it's going to get shot down at the next meeting.

1868
02:48:19,230 --> 02:48:24,110
How long can you carry on like this? I think we need a community-wide solution that everybody buys into.

1869
02:48:24,730 --> 02:48:30,870
So I'm in favor of having a standing committee, which involves, and was the public who I wish to attend, keep it open.

1870
02:48:31,310 --> 02:48:35,590
Notice them if you have to. It may take a little bit longer, but I think that's the only way to do it.

1871
02:48:38,120 --> 02:48:45,160
The housing element is by large the most important thing on my calendar now.

1872
02:48:46,040 --> 02:48:54,100
I'd like to have transparency and the way that we get transparency is to get as much in terms of inputs as humanly possible.

1873
02:48:54,980 --> 02:48:58,700
A standing committee would be subject to the Brown Act.

1874
02:48:59,040 --> 02:49:05,760
They would have monthly meetings if not more than monthly as either regular or periodic, whichever comes first.

1875
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:16,800
I think that with that, the city council can get good information about people in certain areas in town.

1876
02:49:17,640 --> 02:49:25,100
We might be able to get more information than maybe two, maybe one council member has.

1877
02:49:25,880 --> 02:49:29,640
We just have to have that expertise that our town has.

1878
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:35,580
We have a very involved citizen tree.

1879
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:41,640
I think that we must be able to all get together and put the input send.

1880
02:49:42,040 --> 02:49:43,980
We all help our specialties here.

1881
02:49:44,620 --> 02:49:53,300
And if we add them all together, there might be some way that we can have no builders remedy,

1882
02:49:53,300 --> 02:50:00,920
a certified housing element with everybody being at least half way happy with all the

1883
02:50:00,920 --> 02:50:06,720
compromises that we need to make and we are about compromise here. We'll be able to get

1884
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:12,420
something done. So I am in favor of having a standing committee, a full standing

1885
02:50:12,420 --> 02:50:14,900
committee for the housing element.

1886
02:50:17,570 --> 02:50:18,610
How's the lowest one?

1887
02:50:21,650 --> 02:50:31,210
you can hear me. We have basically had the fact of standing committee on the housing element

1888
02:50:31,210 --> 02:50:39,350
for the last couple of years, so I see formalizing this as the next step because we're already

1889
02:50:39,350 --> 02:50:45,590
doing it with so many residents really getting very involved and volunteering their time with this

1890
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:46,010
object.

1891
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:55,080
George, I just want to clarify, is this a, can we talk about it? This has

1892
02:50:55,080 --> 02:50:58,660
this forming a standing committee, because that's not the way the agenda is. Oh, this

1893
02:50:58,660 --> 02:51:01,680
is council initiative. So, and I'm going to decide anything. Oh, we're not saying anything.

1894
02:51:01,860 --> 02:51:05,400
Oh, we're not saying anything. If you're going to form, I would recommend you a agenda is

1895
02:51:05,400 --> 02:51:12,120
at the next slide. Yes, all right. Okay. I'm hearing the points made and to have a stand

1896
02:51:12,120 --> 02:51:15,980
just for the people in the audience. If when we have a standing committee, what that means

1897
02:51:15,980 --> 02:51:21,420
is subject to the Brown Act, the City Council would appoint the members. It would not include

1898
02:51:21,420 --> 02:51:26,900
any City Council members, and it would be purely citizens, and that would be agendized,

1899
02:51:27,180 --> 02:51:31,500
and minutes would be taken. People would go through Brown Act training, and it would be a process,

1900
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:37,520
just like these other committees, such as planning, commission, or pathways, or other things,

1901
02:51:37,580 --> 02:51:44,080
like that. As opposed to an ad hoc subcommittee, which we have a, we have a news, what we call it,

1902
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:48,640
new alternative site subcommittee, which consists of a not a

1903
02:51:48,640 --> 02:51:51,360
quorum of the city council. So in that case, it's Mayor

1904
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:58,720
Battasia and me. And in that case, then it doesn't

1905
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:02,720
isn't subject to those things. However, we have the opportunity to

1906
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:08,740
call open meetings and bring in resident input and perhaps act in a

1907
02:52:08,740 --> 02:52:14,060
bit more nimble fashion. The question is, what are we

1908
02:52:14,060 --> 02:52:19,900
looking for in terms of transparency and control. As I look at a standing committee to deal with

1909
02:52:19,900 --> 02:52:26,220
a housing issue, I'm not sure quite how to do that. We're not going to get away from the concerns

1910
02:52:26,220 --> 02:52:29,960
I have about residents versus residents or how do we pick the right people in a-

1911
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:40,220
All of that. And so my own sense is that we could have been more open. We could have, we could share more with individuals.

1912
02:52:40,580 --> 02:52:45,800
We've had many individual conversations with residents as part of this ad hoc subcommittee.

1913
02:52:46,340 --> 02:52:54,600
We are just, frankly, getting rolling in that regard. And so I haven't given up on the opportunity that we have to call any number.

1914
02:52:54,600 --> 02:52:59,500
And I'm willing to commit the time to that any number of public meetings on different topics

1915
02:52:59,500 --> 02:53:05,720
to gather that input. So I'm this is a very long way of saying, I haven't given up on the

1916
02:53:05,720 --> 02:53:11,360
ad hoc subcommittee. And I will say that the reason you're not hearing quite so much about it is

1917
02:53:11,360 --> 02:53:17,960
because as you can guess, anytime you identify a solution, there are people who will come out and

1918
02:53:17,960 --> 02:53:22,980
don't want it near them. Let's just face it. That's true. No matter where we do things. And so it becomes

1919
02:53:22,980 --> 02:53:30,380
a very challenging thing to say when do we bring things out in public? Is it before the owner

1920
02:53:30,380 --> 02:53:35,380
is on on board? I don't think so. At some point we have to get some sense of what is it we

1921
02:53:35,380 --> 02:53:40,640
want to do before we present it to people? So I'm just a little worried about the messiness

1922
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:48,000
of the standing committee and I would myself prefer to give us some time let's say three months

1923
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:52,460
of the ad hoc subcommittee and see if we can impress you with what we can do. So George, I think

1924
02:53:52,460 --> 02:53:55,320
Right now, the only thing is should we agendize it for discussion.

1925
02:53:55,440 --> 02:53:56,840
I think it's worth having a discussion.

1926
02:53:57,160 --> 02:53:59,520
That's the only conversation we need to have today.

1927
02:53:59,960 --> 02:54:02,300
And what I think might be helpful to have that discussion.

1928
02:54:02,620 --> 02:54:02,920
All right.

1929
02:54:03,580 --> 02:54:06,280
I could add maybe the process of forming a standing committee

1930
02:54:06,280 --> 02:54:07,700
just so you know what would go into it.

1931
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:10,280
So essentially what you're discussing is you're going to be

1932
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:12,300
amending the standing committee resolution.

1933
02:54:12,720 --> 02:54:13,740
That's in a part of that.

1934
02:54:13,740 --> 02:54:15,360
You're going to be having to be coming up with a charter

1935
02:54:15,360 --> 02:54:17,380
for a potential standing committee.

1936
02:54:17,540 --> 02:54:19,340
We'll need guidance of the number of numbers.

1937
02:54:19,340 --> 02:54:27,380
Once that is actually the Stank Committee Resolution is adopted then we have to advertise the positions for at least 20 72 hours

1938
02:54:27,380 --> 02:54:35,560
Then it takes another council meeting then to appoint those people to that committee. That's the process. So so now just to amplify

1939
02:54:36,540 --> 02:54:42,080
Let's discuss it. Let's bring it before and bring it to an exegent and then the mayor and I in the meantime

1940
02:54:42,080 --> 02:54:47,760
We'll continue with the things we're doing and seeing if we can keep the ball rolling on this topic. Let's agenda

1941
02:54:48,760 --> 02:54:51,480
I just have a few comments though.

1942
02:54:53,630 --> 02:54:57,150
I talked with the attorney matters about this,

1943
02:54:57,350 --> 02:55:02,650
and he said if the subject matter is going to be the housing element,

1944
02:55:03,610 --> 02:55:05,010
not alternative sites,

1945
02:55:05,850 --> 02:55:10,570
then we would need a different ad hoc committee to do that,

1946
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:12,390
if we're going to make it an ad hoc committee.

1947
02:55:13,270 --> 02:55:16,650
It could be the same two people, or it could be two other people,

1948
02:55:16,650 --> 02:55:20,390
but it would have to be a differently named, at least,

1949
02:55:20,670 --> 02:55:22,830
at Occamity, for going to make this an ad hoc committee.

1950
02:55:24,190 --> 02:55:29,130
My thoughts are that the standing committees

1951
02:55:30,770 --> 02:55:36,110
have, you know, they're kind of a heavier lift in some ways.

1952
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:41,410
You have more onerous requirements about who can communicate with whom,

1953
02:55:41,490 --> 02:55:44,070
about what issues, of you have seven people on the committee.

1954
02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:50,750
Only three of them can speak about something other than in the committee as an agenda is item.

1955
02:55:51,850 --> 02:55:59,050
So there's more, it's sort of a slower, more deliberate process and not saying anything wrong with that, it's just something we need to understand.

1956
02:55:59,690 --> 02:56:02,250
So an alternative to that is to say,

1957
02:56:02,690 --> 02:56:06,030
We'll have an ad hoc committee to work on a housing element.

1958
02:56:06,030 --> 02:56:15,210
We'll advertise, we'll get residents involved, maybe we'll have a meeting every week and do an update of what's going on, get input from residents and all that.

1959
02:56:15,350 --> 02:56:18,930
I think that's a more nimble faster way to go.

1960
02:56:19,970 --> 02:56:24,350
But, you know, that's something that the council has to come to an agreement on.

1961
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:27,350
So let's agenda this for the next meeting.

1962
02:56:30,540 --> 02:56:33,220
We have a couple of comment cards as well.

1963
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:33,980
Okay.

1964
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:35,540
Are you ready?

1965
02:56:37,320 --> 02:56:37,780
Mattish.

1966
02:56:40,360 --> 02:56:40,820
Okay.

1967
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:42,360
Ron Haley.

1968
02:56:44,200 --> 02:56:44,340
Thank you.

1969
02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:44,800
Are you left?

1970
02:56:44,900 --> 02:56:45,880
Maybe Cheryl Evans.

1971
02:56:50,060 --> 02:56:50,760
And then John O'Connell.

1972
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:56,150
So are we limited to two minutes or three?

1973
02:56:57,130 --> 02:56:57,330
Okay.

1974
02:56:57,770 --> 02:56:59,390
Then you can add Erica's.

1975
02:56:59,470 --> 02:57:02,550
I'll finish what I'm going to say because I have about a pair of three minutes.

1976
02:57:04,650 --> 02:57:05,630
Give us three.

1977
02:57:08,050 --> 02:57:10,250
It's my understanding that this is city council.

1978
02:57:10,250 --> 02:57:13,170
Well, actually, I don't need to say this because you're agendizing it.

1979
02:57:13,650 --> 02:57:16,310
Maribut Asia is aware that many residents pay

1980
02:57:16,310 --> 02:57:18,150
for formation of a standing committee,

1981
02:57:18,990 --> 02:57:20,810
given both the importance of the haveling element,

1982
02:57:21,130 --> 02:57:24,210
and the fact that we will be dealing with it for at least four years.

1983
02:57:24,810 --> 02:57:26,590
The normal role of an ad hoc committee

1984
02:57:26,590 --> 02:57:28,270
is to address short-term projects,

1985
02:57:28,290 --> 02:57:30,830
and this is hardly a short-term project.

1986
02:57:31,990 --> 02:57:33,950
Assuming that the rules agreed to by the members

1987
02:57:33,950 --> 02:57:35,890
of the council are being followed this evening,

1988
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:37,350
and it sounds like they are,

1989
02:57:37,610 --> 02:57:39,890
I would like my remarks to be entered into the minutes,

1990
02:57:39,890 --> 02:57:42,690
So that residents have a full understanding of the alternatives

1991
02:57:42,690 --> 02:57:46,090
if and when the matter is scheduled for public hearing.

1992
02:57:47,130 --> 02:57:48,890
We have standing committees for pathways,

1993
02:57:49,450 --> 02:57:52,290
technology, environmental protection, design, open space, et cetera.

1994
02:57:52,890 --> 02:57:55,470
But we have not formed a housing element committee.

1995
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:58,210
When compliance with the state's housing requirements,

1996
02:57:58,750 --> 02:58:03,030
it's a single greatest challenge facing our town for now and for years to come.

1997
02:58:03,930 --> 02:58:07,130
We've outsourced the design of our housing element to an outside consultant,

1998
02:58:07,130 --> 02:58:12,630
focused more on achieving compliance but with limited understanding of the unique character of our

1999
02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:18,810
town and little to no engagement with our community. We need a plan for implementation of our housing

2000
02:58:18,810 --> 02:58:23,890
element with greater engagement with residents on how to ensure that it aligns with the rural character

2001
02:58:23,890 --> 02:58:30,990
of our town. Los autos hills has many capable resources available to us and willing to contribute

2002
02:58:30,990 --> 02:58:37,390
architects, builders, environmental experts, lawyers, and people knowledgeable about the state requirements.

2003
02:58:38,110 --> 02:58:44,830
Los Altos Hills residents have real skin in the game to meet the housing element goals and do it in a way that is

2004
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:51,730
positive development of our town. They should have an opportunity to participate in that process.

2005
02:58:52,310 --> 02:58:57,970
A standing committee would also improve both perception and reality of the transparency of the decision-making process.

2006
02:58:57,970 --> 02:59:02,270
residents from every area of town want to be a part of such a community.

2007
02:59:03,210 --> 02:59:06,090
The mayor has framed this as item as a single option.

2008
02:59:08,090 --> 02:59:12,130
Appointing another ad hoc committee, he's fully aware of the resident perspectives

2009
02:59:12,130 --> 02:59:16,430
based upon real world evidence of passing ad hoc committees with regards

2010
02:59:16,430 --> 02:59:18,350
transparency and oversight.

2011
02:59:18,470 --> 02:59:18,950
Thank you, Cheryl.

2012
02:59:20,250 --> 02:59:21,010
Thank you.

2013
02:59:24,130 --> 02:59:27,750
However, he has chosen to not even mention this option in his initiative.

2014
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:38,870
A standing committee being subject to the Brown Act as a feature, not a bug, improving both the perception and reality of transparency may avoid creating conflict between the town and residents.

2015
02:59:40,170 --> 02:59:45,130
The date time and agenda for meetings must be posted so that residents can attend and participate.

2016
02:59:46,290 --> 02:59:52,810
Minutes of their meetings will be recorded so all residents can access them and understand the issues if they wish to engage.

2017
02:59:52,810 --> 02:59:59,970
A standing committee will give residents a more considered opportunity to express ideas and debate issues.

2018
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,360
Without a two-minute clock. The council will receive better inputs on important items for discussion.

2019
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:13,620
A standing committee will forge a path forward that is collaborative and inclusive and one that our entire

2020
03:00:13,620 --> 03:00:19,940
community will understand and support. The initiative, the city council needs to decide upon tonight

2021
03:00:19,940 --> 03:00:25,400
as weather to agenda. Let me say that sounds like we're going to do that, but those are our thoughts. Thank you.

2022
03:00:25,400 --> 03:00:26,320
Thank you.

2023
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:40,900
I made some remarks about wanting to see the housing element amendment

2024
03:00:40,900 --> 03:00:48,800
approved and getting on with the job. Add hoc committees in my viewpoint are good for

2025
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:57,240
dealing with very well-focused, short-term, almost urgent issues, but they're not intended to run

2026
03:00:57,240 --> 03:01:04,020
very long. A standing committee and working on the housing element is going to be working on it

2027
03:01:04,020 --> 03:01:05,620
for the next four years.

2028
03:01:29,540 --> 03:01:36,260
We need to get on with the job of figuring out how to meet what we need to

2029
03:01:36,260 --> 03:01:43,720
do and do it in a way that makes the future residents are going to come into this town be part of

2030
03:01:43,720 --> 03:01:52,300
down. The people that have written to you and spoken about this are not. I'm from close to

2031
03:01:52,300 --> 03:02:01,640
twin oaks, but they're from all over town. They're from the very south. They're from everywhere.

2032
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:09,520
They're not close to twin oaks. They want to get the housing element done in a way that fits into

2033
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:19,660
ourselves. I am absolutely 100% supportive that a standing committee is long overdue

2034
03:02:19,660 --> 03:02:25,540
and needs to be set up. And I'm glad to know you're going to urgentirise it. If it's

2035
03:02:25,540 --> 03:02:32,120
a debate, I would appreciate you letting the residents know, so that as many residents

2036
03:02:32,120 --> 03:02:37,800
can come out as possible and convince you of the benefits of the decision. And I totally

2037
03:02:37,800 --> 03:02:45,300
agree with what Eric just said. Being subject to the Brown Act is not a bug. It's a feature.

2038
03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:45,880
Thank you,

2039
03:02:48,270 --> 03:02:48,270
John.

2040
03:02:48,810 --> 03:02:51,010
I said I have George. Sorry.

2041
03:02:51,210 --> 03:02:53,950
Sorry, good. George, he's coming.

2042
03:02:57,380 --> 03:03:03,120
Hi. I'm George Perlegas and we live on 28, 011.

2043
03:03:03,120 --> 03:03:11,260
learn a lot. Defend with property. Defend with property. That was shown on the SB 330

2044
03:03:11,260 --> 03:03:18,140
applications earlier. I think I'm against the Ed Hart committee because we don't want

2045
03:03:18,140 --> 03:03:24,920
two members of the city council to go in agrochate. Lara items that we have a direct impact

2046
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:32,460
finance, and I like to bring up the many issues that need to be considered and resolved before

2047
03:03:32,460 --> 03:03:40,000
the town can consider defending property as SB 330. We cannot have all the low income housing

2048
03:03:40,000 --> 03:03:46,660
concentrated in one area between NOx, the Fenwick property, but the Fenwick property is in the

2049
03:03:46,660 --> 03:03:53,160
Williamson Act. It cannot be considered until it is removed. The town cannot pay the taxes to remove it.

2050
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:57,640
The town cannot trade land or subdivide this land.

2051
03:03:58,340 --> 03:04:07,300
The town cannot remove the fire easements that already existed and that's how we bought our property and every other resident around depends on.

2052
03:04:08,100 --> 03:04:14,740
The town cannot remove the pedestrian pathways that were granted and given by the previous owners.

2053
03:04:15,820 --> 03:04:19,640
The town cannot remove easements that already exist in the property.

2054
03:04:19,640 --> 03:04:29,380
the town cannot agree to build on trails, because if you see the many properties that were

2055
03:04:29,380 --> 03:04:35,200
parcels that were there, there were homes on the trails and what are runs in those

2056
03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:40,860
trails. So do we need to come back and start fighting with you that you cannot build there?

2057
03:04:41,300 --> 03:04:49,080
The best way to decide this is to take the owner of the property has the right to develop its property.

2058
03:04:49,080 --> 03:04:56,940
I don't think anybody objects to that, but it has to be lit up and it has to have no help from the city council.

2059
03:04:57,500 --> 03:05:05,960
I have the best place is to go to the Planning Commission and have it decided that.

2060
03:05:06,040 --> 03:05:06,920
Thank you, George.

2061
03:05:08,920 --> 03:05:12,140
I just wanted to call up Ron Haley one more time to make sure he's not in.

2062
03:05:12,480 --> 03:05:15,160
Okay, and then is it okay if we go to Zoom now mayor?

2063
03:05:15,160 --> 03:05:18,560
I have two people, Yatin,

2064
03:05:20,870 --> 03:05:22,230
and then Darcio.

2065
03:05:24,050 --> 03:05:25,270
Good evening again.

2066
03:05:25,550 --> 03:05:26,910
I'll keep my remarks short.

2067
03:05:27,170 --> 03:05:30,810
I am fully supportive of the comments by Shadowlevens,

2068
03:05:31,090 --> 03:05:32,990
Eric Evans, and John O'Connor.

2069
03:05:34,850 --> 03:05:35,970
Thank you.

2070
03:05:36,190 --> 03:05:37,090
Thank you.

2071
03:05:42,300 --> 03:05:42,860
Darcio?

2072
03:05:45,420 --> 03:05:46,740
You need to be asked to unmute.

2073
03:05:47,420 --> 03:05:48,100
Thank you.

2074
03:05:48,500 --> 03:05:49,760
Darcio leads again with this year.

2075
03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:56,820
I'll be brief as well, glad to hear that Council is considering a full-standing committee subject to the Brown Act.

2076
03:05:57,400 --> 03:06:03,180
I just want to say that you'll have a really engaged base of residents here with a lot of knowledge and expertise

2077
03:06:03,180 --> 03:06:09,760
who are committed not only to protecting open space, but to finding housing solutions, so I hope you collaborate with them

2078
03:06:09,760 --> 03:06:12,420
and hope we all find the solution together. Thanks for your time.

2079
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:13,760
Thank you.

2080
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:21,780
No further comments. Thank you. I'm bringing you back to Council Attorney Ly. Do we need a motion for this?

2081
03:06:22,600 --> 03:06:24,700
Or to put it on the agenda for next meeting?

2082
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:28,760
Staff will take that direction agenda. So now motion. Thank you.

2083
03:06:30,420 --> 03:06:33,520
Okay, moving on. Let's see here.

2084
03:06:33,700 --> 03:06:42,840
6B. We are on 6B. The ongoing discussion with the County Sheriff and possible action on traffic enforcement in town.

2085
03:06:43,320 --> 03:06:48,640
May or may I suggest that we just, at least for people's planning, we hear the sheriff's presentation,

2086
03:06:49,400 --> 03:06:55,800
we have our needed break, and then we also agree that the meeting will go past 10 o'clock when you do it all at one time.

2087
03:06:56,720 --> 03:06:56,800
Okay.

2088
03:06:57,100 --> 03:06:59,680
So I move that we move the meeting past 10 o'clock.

2089
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:02,680
All in favor.

2090
03:07:05,140 --> 03:07:05,260
Aye.

2091
03:07:06,820 --> 03:07:07,240
All right.

2092
03:07:07,800 --> 03:07:07,820
Okay.

2093
03:07:10,610 --> 03:07:11,610
All right. Thank you, Mayor.

2094
03:07:11,610 --> 03:07:19,550
Just as an introduction, yes, this is an ongoing discussion coming from our last city council meeting for the last month.

2095
03:07:19,670 --> 03:07:23,250
The sheriff has was directed to have targeted enforcement.

2096
03:07:23,770 --> 03:07:29,690
So safely to address speeding on town, in town and the sheriff's office is here to talk about.

2097
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:40,960
What has happened over the last month, they're going to talk about what they saw, potentially the citations issued, speeding that they observed, and then ending with a recommendation of what the stuff should be moving forward.

2098
03:07:45,190 --> 03:07:47,070
Good evening Mayor Council.

2099
03:07:48,150 --> 03:07:56,870
I'm going to pass the presentation to our traffic surgeons surgeon now on Slaw. He will go over some of the things that we've done in the last couple days.

2100
03:07:56,870 --> 03:07:57,730
Thank

2101
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:02,380
you very much. Next slide.

2102
03:08:08,780 --> 03:08:12,700
Okay, so we were asked to provide some targeted enforcement

2103
03:08:12,700 --> 03:08:18,560
in areas identified by your speed sign data. Some of the locations that were listed

2104
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:26,340
as moderate to severe of having readings that kind of surpassed the limit by significant numbers

2105
03:08:26,340 --> 03:08:32,120
and some of those locations are up there. So my traffic team was asked to spend several hours

2106
03:08:32,120 --> 03:08:39,340
each day during our work week, and be proactive in targeted enforcement specifically speed.

2107
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:47,970
Next slide. Our mission, again, to be visible, that's our effort being out there with the

2108
03:08:47,970 --> 03:08:52,510
lights and sirens on. There's a different response when you see a motorcycle everybody knows what our

2109
03:08:52,510 --> 03:08:59,030
job is. The punitive aspect comes from the the court side of things, but ultimately,

2110
03:08:59,670 --> 03:09:08,290
us being out there, being visible, giving tickets, hopefully sends a message and detours the

2111
03:09:08,290 --> 03:09:11,750
actions of violations of speeds specifically.

2112
03:09:15,620 --> 03:09:17,440
Since the 16th, so I don't know when

2113
03:09:17,440 --> 03:09:23,500
your last meeting ends, or when the day was, that I got the direction, since the 16th

2114
03:09:23,500 --> 03:09:30,400
of December, we've issued 41 citations, the very, very main section that we cited was speed,

2115
03:09:30,400 --> 03:09:37,540
there are some varying things in there, stop signs, distracted drivers, cell phones, and one registration,

2116
03:09:40,500 --> 03:09:47,600
expiration that ultimately was actually speed, but the, the deputy wasn't able to clock it on the,

2117
03:09:47,940 --> 03:09:50,760
the radar in time, and so they got to fix it to get.

2118
03:09:54,110 --> 03:09:59,750
Again, our objectives are to show by being proactive that there are, in fact,

2119
03:09:59,750 --> 03:10:03,810
Unsafe driving habits out there the match what your data was that you guys collected

2120
03:10:04,510 --> 03:10:06,190
the time frame

2121
03:10:06,190 --> 03:10:10,830
In this I don't know that was the best month to do there was

2122
03:10:11,330 --> 03:10:13,510
Time off for vacation during the holidays

2123
03:10:14,070 --> 03:10:18,670
There were seven rainy days that affected our ability to be up here

2124
03:10:19,090 --> 03:10:23,190
So not every day that we would normally be up here. We were up here

2125
03:10:23,570 --> 03:10:26,250
Do the staffing for the holidays and the weather

2126
03:10:27,130 --> 03:10:31,130
We do believe that the public is aware that we've been up here.

2127
03:10:31,710 --> 03:10:34,750
A lot of our deputies like to screenshot the Ways app,

2128
03:10:35,530 --> 03:10:39,690
and people are noting on those types of applications that we're up here.

2129
03:10:40,030 --> 03:10:42,770
That in a way to turn people's responses.

2130
03:10:43,570 --> 03:10:47,530
I believe someone on council noticed that we're up there and made an effort to

2131
03:10:47,530 --> 03:10:50,750
think one of our deputies on one of the days that they were up there.

2132
03:10:51,070 --> 03:10:55,310
Other residents stopped and thanked us, and which is great because

2133
03:10:55,310 --> 03:10:58,790
but you can probably believe that our job is often

2134
03:10:58,790 --> 03:11:01,490
thinkless or we're either showing up because someone

2135
03:11:01,490 --> 03:11:03,990
has involved in a collision or we're giving you a ticket.

2136
03:11:04,130 --> 03:11:06,210
So to receive the thanks from the community,

2137
03:11:07,290 --> 03:11:09,230
I would hope that people recognize that that

2138
03:11:09,230 --> 03:11:12,330
is a sign of our good efforts.

2139
03:11:13,590 --> 03:11:16,670
In addition, our things that I think

2140
03:11:16,670 --> 03:11:18,990
that are not being tracked for your data

2141
03:11:18,990 --> 03:11:21,670
is that we are traffic unit, my motor unit,

2142
03:11:21,670 --> 03:11:23,250
works on a very specific schedule.

2143
03:11:23,250 --> 03:11:30,590
So we're not capturing the after commute hours or the weekend hours, but again, based on our efforts,

2144
03:11:31,150 --> 03:11:35,930
what I tell my people to do out in a daily basis, they are recognizing the things are changing.

2145
03:11:36,610 --> 03:11:44,590
They go to an area and they're acknowledging less speeders so they have to move on to a different area now.

2146
03:11:45,090 --> 03:11:48,450
And now that schools back in session with the college and campus, they're finding it elsewhere,

2147
03:11:48,450 --> 03:11:52,090
but some of the targeted areas that is getting harder for them to find.

2148
03:11:52,310 --> 03:11:55,930
And I hope that that does match data. But next slide.

2149
03:11:56,810 --> 03:12:03,450
I think the only way to find out if truly it is working is we've let this test so speak last longer.

2150
03:12:04,650 --> 03:12:05,170
Thank

2151
03:12:10,710 --> 03:12:16,010
you. Any questions? Someone's from console. I'm the guilty party. I'm a regular

2152
03:12:16,010 --> 03:12:20,350
jogger on these pathways. And I can tell you I'm in no danger of getting a ticket.

2153
03:12:21,410 --> 03:12:23,770
That was a joke about my running speed, okay?

2154
03:12:24,010 --> 03:12:24,910
It drives a Porsche.

2155
03:12:26,070 --> 03:12:27,770
This is a jogging, jogging, okay?

2156
03:12:28,030 --> 03:12:31,990
I just want to say I had interactions with officers to two different times.

2157
03:12:32,030 --> 03:12:37,710
One was a motorcycle cop and the other in a patrol car, and they were very polite, eager

2158
03:12:37,710 --> 03:12:38,330
to help.

2159
03:12:38,510 --> 03:12:42,230
One of them was a little disappointed that people were following the speed limit and asked me

2160
03:12:42,230 --> 03:12:43,170
where I'll see could go.

2161
03:12:43,590 --> 03:12:45,610
And so I offered him a suggestion.

2162
03:12:45,750 --> 03:12:49,910
It was probably next to your house, but anyway, I...

2163
03:12:49,910 --> 03:12:53,130
You know, I just, I thought it was an appropriate thing.

2164
03:12:53,270 --> 03:12:58,730
We've heard last time about people on these particular streets on Alaina and Rublita that

2165
03:12:58,730 --> 03:13:03,650
were concerned and that I think a little show of force is a helpful thing and it was

2166
03:13:03,650 --> 03:13:08,550
done in a polite and very appropriate location and I'm pleased with it so far.

2167
03:13:09,530 --> 03:13:10,430
I have questions.

2168
03:13:11,570 --> 03:13:18,830
So what timeframe were you there for and for like how many days like was it Monday to Friday

2169
03:13:18,830 --> 03:13:30,430
or from what time, what time, six to four the times varied. I would assign people by day Monday through Friday that is our traffic work week and

2170
03:13:30,430 --> 03:13:36,030
whether they chose to do it in the AM or the PM was up to them. Oftentimes,

2171
03:13:37,010 --> 03:13:42,050
their our traffic unit is around the school in the AM or the PM, so they would mix kind of

2172
03:13:42,050 --> 03:13:54,090
school pickup drop off with their speed enforcement. So in between probably school drop off in school pick up anytime in between then on Monday to Friday and for how many okay, but you don't know how many hours.

2173
03:13:54,230 --> 03:13:55,110
They were there for.

2174
03:13:55,430 --> 03:14:11,050
We do actually I could read the email that you had set me so captain valence one of the shared that from December 16th to the 31st at total of 15 traffic hours were used and then from January 1st to January 14th

2175
03:14:11,050 --> 03:14:17,570
19, 19 traffic hours were used. So in comparison on average before the directed direction

2176
03:14:17,570 --> 03:14:24,850
up target enforcement, they roughly used six to 13, but they together used almost a this time

2177
03:14:24,850 --> 03:14:32,090
30. So it doubled the presence that they had on the streets. So how many days was that? That was 30.

2178
03:14:32,310 --> 03:14:40,650
30 and how much did it cost us? Roughly speaking. So on average it's about 300 an hour if that's 30 hours

2179
03:14:40,650 --> 03:14:42,470
times 300 is proper.

2180
03:14:44,110 --> 03:14:45,750
But that's the direct cost.

2181
03:14:46,290 --> 03:14:52,030
There's also a direct cost of if there's ever anyone who challenges a ticket and the

2182
03:14:52,030 --> 03:14:55,670
officer has to go to court, my understanding is some of those hours may be billed against

2183
03:14:55,670 --> 03:14:56,230
us.

2184
03:14:56,370 --> 03:14:59,970
There's other follow-up supplemental cost but the direct cost of this up.

2185
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,440
The presence on the street was 9,000. So would you say, like, 12 to 15,000? Would that be accurate? Is it really variable by the court?

2186
03:15:09,700 --> 03:15:19,940
It's variable. Yeah, I don't know on any court appearances, but that's a good average 12 to 15,000 for 30 days and how many hours every day?

2187
03:15:19,940 --> 03:15:27,740
It varied from day-to-day. I'd have to pull out this specifically, definitely, but it was at six hours, three hours, four hours.

2188
03:15:27,960 --> 03:15:31,260
Four hours. That's a good answer. Okay.

2189
03:15:36,140 --> 03:15:37,400
It's sometimes more than just one day.

2190
03:15:37,460 --> 03:15:40,480
So the money you collect, who does it go to?

2191
03:15:40,860 --> 03:15:42,080
Oh, security is not sure.

2192
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:43,140
If you come to us, definitely.

2193
03:15:43,140 --> 03:15:48,260
We don't collect the courts too, and it actually goes to several different state agencies.

2194
03:15:48,260 --> 03:15:54,900
So it doesn't necessarily come back to the city or the towns, they go to the court system

2195
03:15:54,900 --> 03:15:59,880
divides the fees and it goes into specific a bunch of different organizations to state.

2196
03:16:00,360 --> 03:16:01,120
What kind of organizations?

2197
03:16:01,620 --> 03:16:03,640
Like the National Highway Transportation and-

2198
03:16:03,640 --> 03:16:04,720
So it goes to you guys.

2199
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:06,200
No, no, no, no, it doesn't.

2200
03:16:06,280 --> 03:16:06,700
The county?

2201
03:16:07,200 --> 03:16:13,860
No, no, it's different organizations within the state that provides some sort of service regarding

2202
03:16:13,860 --> 03:16:15,040
traffic safety.

2203
03:16:15,040 --> 03:16:23,380
I see. I mean, I think this was great for one time, but like to spend $9,000 a month or really going through a budget.

2204
03:16:23,880 --> 03:16:28,780
So do we have any long-term solution to this?

2205
03:16:28,960 --> 03:16:38,760
So that's the estimated cost. What happens is the town budgets for a certain amount of hours per year of traffic hours.

2206
03:16:39,320 --> 03:16:41,380
So you've already paid for those traffic hours.

2207
03:16:41,380 --> 03:16:46,960
essentially what we're doing is we're utilizing those traffic hours to specifically focus on traffic

2208
03:16:46,960 --> 03:16:52,940
enforcement. I get that. We paid for it, but she would refund it if he didn't use it. So we're still

2209
03:16:52,940 --> 03:16:58,600
spending between 12 to 15,000 a month on this. So I don't think that's a solution long term.

2210
03:16:59,500 --> 03:17:03,540
So do you have what do you think is the solution for this? Is there any other solution?

2211
03:17:04,780 --> 03:17:08,860
Which is for a formal environment? There's other options you guys can look with your public works,

2212
03:17:08,860 --> 03:17:11,120
but for Mar, for Mar, for Mar stance,

2213
03:17:12,060 --> 03:17:14,600
issues, citations, and present physical presence,

2214
03:17:15,180 --> 03:17:16,680
what we're trying to do is cure the behavior

2215
03:17:17,440 --> 03:17:19,520
from people driving that that they're aware.

2216
03:17:22,410 --> 03:17:22,790
Okay.

2217
03:17:22,790 --> 03:17:22,990
Linda,

2218
03:17:25,990 --> 03:17:27,710
do you appear to be muted, Linda?

2219
03:17:31,720 --> 03:17:34,780
Am I a missus, but how many citations were written

2220
03:17:34,780 --> 03:17:36,560
over that time frame?

2221
03:17:37,940 --> 03:17:38,320
41?

2222
03:17:38,520 --> 03:17:38,820
41.

2223
03:17:39,420 --> 03:17:40,400
41, okay.

2224
03:17:43,230 --> 03:17:44,190
Okay, step.

2225
03:17:44,870 --> 03:17:51,750
I had an allegation previously, and that allegation was that every single time a person got a ticket

2226
03:17:51,750 --> 03:17:54,950
that you guys would get a commission cut out of that.

2227
03:17:55,390 --> 03:18:02,650
And I believe that I believe that I am wrong because I used artificial intelligence through

2228
03:18:02,650 --> 03:18:06,830
chat GPT to see where all the proceeds went.

2229
03:18:07,310 --> 03:18:11,330
And I'm happy to say that you do not have a vested interest.

2230
03:18:12,110 --> 03:18:12,230
Absolutely.

2231
03:18:12,230 --> 03:18:18,170
other than writing the tickets. I wanted to make that clear first of all. The question I would

2232
03:18:18,170 --> 03:18:25,410
really have is whether or not we've had some effectiveness and changing the behavior of some

2233
03:18:25,410 --> 03:18:31,990
of those people that have a griegespeeds on those streets. Number one, number two would be the

2234
03:18:31,990 --> 03:18:37,330
average speed itself, whether or not you've been able to measure whether or not the average speed

2235
03:18:37,330 --> 03:18:40,670
has decreased during the time of year and four spent.

2236
03:18:41,790 --> 03:18:45,270
So just from speaking to my traffic team and the traffic sergeant,

2237
03:18:45,670 --> 03:18:48,550
obviously, as time goes by, we issue less citations

2238
03:18:48,550 --> 03:18:53,770
because people see that we're out there and they curb the behavior, obviously, right?

2239
03:18:54,470 --> 03:19:00,750
And I'm sorry, your second question was the average speed in terms of decrease in speed,

2240
03:19:00,810 --> 03:19:06,670
because I would assume that the average speed would decrease the real question is by how much

2241
03:19:07,330 --> 03:19:13,010
I don't have the data from your cameras up, but some of the speeds were pretty excessive double

2242
03:19:13,010 --> 03:19:23,190
in many cases of a 25 or 35 zone. So you're talking in 65, 70 miles an hour on a local road.

2243
03:19:23,570 --> 03:19:30,130
And if that data is accurate, there's a problem. Our threshold, I won't say exactly where it was,

2244
03:19:30,390 --> 03:19:36,270
but we don't like going to traffic court. So we are having a higher threshold than I would think

2245
03:19:36,270 --> 03:19:37,710
that most people would think we are choosing,

2246
03:19:37,950 --> 03:19:40,950
so it's not five miles over and I'll tell you that.

2247
03:19:41,130 --> 03:19:43,430
But it is a threshold of significance.

2248
03:19:45,310 --> 03:19:46,590
And I'll leave it at that.

2249
03:19:46,730 --> 03:19:47,010
Okay.

2250
03:19:47,410 --> 03:19:52,010
And then the last question, other than using law enforcement,

2251
03:19:52,950 --> 03:19:55,990
what are some other remedies that you could possibly think

2252
03:19:55,990 --> 03:19:59,810
of that would help us mitigate the speeds on our roads?

2253
03:20:00,290 --> 03:20:02,530
Well, there's several varieties that you have.

2254
03:20:02,590 --> 03:20:03,670
Your option, we could public work.

2255
03:20:03,790 --> 03:20:05,070
So I mean, you have your talking about,

2256
03:20:05,130 --> 03:20:05,870
you can do speed bumps.

2257
03:20:05,870 --> 03:20:10,570
There's a gamut of different things that different talents and cities use in order to reduce

2258
03:20:10,570 --> 03:20:17,450
feeds. Whether it's, you know, radar signs or speed bombs or stop signs or something to

2259
03:20:17,450 --> 03:20:24,170
to kind of slow down traffic. I'm just trying to economize on the cost of law enforcement in

2260
03:20:24,170 --> 03:20:33,220
our area. That's it. Thank you. You know, just to build on that for one, we had earlier under

2261
03:20:33,220 --> 03:20:41,380
sent under five eye, the pavement rehabilitation, which included some selective signs and

2262
03:20:41,380 --> 03:20:47,060
striping and all. So part of that is structurally in the road how we can make it more conducive

2263
03:20:47,060 --> 03:20:52,880
to having people travel the lower speeds. But me, I'm going to we're never going to solve this.

2264
03:20:53,240 --> 03:20:57,440
We're always going to have this and I would say periodic enforcement not every month.

2265
03:20:57,740 --> 03:21:02,440
Let's not announce it here at a thing. Let's put it in for two weeks, every once in a while.

2266
03:21:02,440 --> 03:21:08,360
and it won't cost as much and it'll periodically increase awareness.

2267
03:21:08,880 --> 03:21:12,300
Which is really our goal. We just want people to go slower. We don't want to get the

2268
03:21:12,300 --> 03:21:15,280
have people get tickets. We just want them to drive more properly.

2269
03:21:20,240 --> 03:21:26,720
Okay. Well, thank you first of all for being out here. Road Safety is really important.

2270
03:21:28,020 --> 03:21:32,220
And we appreciate the sensitivity that you've managed this.

2271
03:21:32,220 --> 03:21:41,120
I do agree that from a cost standpoint, this isn't something we can endure on a regular daily

2272
03:21:41,120 --> 03:21:49,640
or you know basis. I think some kind of randomized presence would be good. So maybe a different

2273
03:21:49,640 --> 03:21:56,060
day of the week, slightly different times, different places, mixing it up a little bit and maybe

2274
03:21:56,060 --> 03:22:03,900
instead of doing it every weekday, maybe we do it certain weekdays at random, that would

2275
03:22:03,900 --> 03:22:12,360
help with the cost. In terms of the public works or other solutions, I mean speed breakers

2276
03:22:12,360 --> 03:22:20,960
or speed tables is one, that of course is going to take time and I don't know Director Kim,

2277
03:22:21,300 --> 03:22:25,020
what are your thoughts on how long it would take to implement something like that?

2278
03:22:28,860 --> 03:22:29,980
Oh yes, I think

2279
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:37,400
Mayor, public work staff, we're evaluating some of the options as well. We talked about the

2280
03:22:37,400 --> 03:22:47,960
speed table option and we can install those. It will require quite a bit of public outreach

2281
03:22:47,960 --> 03:22:54,980
and discussions with the sheriff's office, emergency services, the fire department who normally

2282
03:22:54,980 --> 03:23:04,060
are reluctant or would not favor such solution but ultimately that will be the physical solution

2283
03:23:04,060 --> 03:23:10,120
for the town. Our roadways are already narrow enough. I don't think we can make it any

2284
03:23:10,120 --> 03:23:15,380
narrower or to try to control speeds or some other methods such as trying to make the road

2285
03:23:15,380 --> 03:23:22,460
more curvy. I think some agencies have tried that and that does take a toll on maybe the capital

2286
03:23:22,460 --> 03:23:29,400
project budget on the paving budget. We might need wider right away. So speed,

2287
03:23:29,400 --> 03:23:34,680
tables, speed bumps will be a solution, but it would require quite a bit of public outreach.

2288
03:23:35,360 --> 03:23:41,600
We need to discuss with residents along that corridor. And even the wider area, because

2289
03:23:41,600 --> 03:23:46,400
actually people are traveling on that road, would also want to comment about those. And again,

2290
03:23:46,460 --> 03:23:51,340
speaking with emergency and public safety. And because it may slow down their services, and that's

2291
03:23:51,340 --> 03:23:59,040
the car. I asked you how long would take and what number would you offer? So again, I think we got

2292
03:23:59,040 --> 03:24:06,200
a focus on which specific area, which location? What? We talked a week, so we're talking two months,

2293
03:24:06,360 --> 03:24:12,860
so we're talking two years, but give me some idea. If we have a location in mind,

2294
03:24:13,580 --> 03:24:19,000
Lina, Lina has been the problem. Okay. If we have a location in mind, we can start doing some

2295
03:24:19,000 --> 03:24:25,500
public outreach and looking at options so it could take 2-3 months and again I think we

2296
03:24:25,500 --> 03:24:28,060
would come back to Council for it.

2297
03:24:28,420 --> 03:24:28,500
Okay.

2298
03:24:29,320 --> 03:24:36,580
Another solution might be to deploy more of the radar speed devices and have them operate in

2299
03:24:36,580 --> 03:24:37,400
display mode.

2300
03:24:37,500 --> 03:24:41,700
I mean we operate them sometimes in stealth mode where there's no display in order to get

2301
03:24:41,700 --> 03:24:45,540
more accurate readings of what's really going on.

2302
03:24:45,540 --> 03:24:52,200
But if we deploy these, they cost around, the mobile ones cost around 6,000, I believe.

2303
03:24:52,860 --> 03:24:55,060
That's, I think what you paid for the last one.

2304
03:24:55,720 --> 03:25:00,440
Yeah, to look that up, and they'll be also an annual subscription for the data collection.

2305
03:25:00,440 --> 03:25:03,240
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we do have that.

2306
03:25:03,620 --> 03:25:07,520
But I mean, if you deploy the fixed ones at certain locations,

2307
03:25:08,980 --> 03:25:13,500
that usually has an impact as well. It's not the same as, you know,

2308
03:25:13,500 --> 03:25:18,660
of serving somebody at ticket and it's not the same as a speed table but it does tend to

2309
03:25:18,660 --> 03:25:26,480
slow people down and that's kind of a one-time installation and you know you don't have

2310
03:25:26,480 --> 03:25:32,240
to kind of keep maintaining that you know extensively so that's another option we could consider.

2311
03:25:32,640 --> 03:25:38,780
It's just that in the past the communities being really against speed bumps and these the you know

2312
03:25:38,780 --> 03:25:42,900
perceptions change in the community so I think it's very important to reach out and see

2313
03:25:42,900 --> 03:25:45,680
how the people on Elena feel about it.

2314
03:25:45,820 --> 03:25:47,960
What do they think is the right solution for that?

2315
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:50,480
Because they're the ones with the most vocal about this.

2316
03:25:50,500 --> 03:25:50,760
Yes.

2317
03:25:51,200 --> 03:25:53,020
Biggest problem was on Elena.

2318
03:25:53,240 --> 03:25:54,160
And for a summer, too.

2319
03:25:54,240 --> 03:25:54,700
And for a summer.

2320
03:25:55,740 --> 03:25:56,200
OK.

2321
03:25:57,960 --> 03:26:04,320
So is there a motion or action that we need to take care?

2322
03:26:04,880 --> 03:26:07,720
Or do we just say, continue this, but maybe,

2323
03:26:07,900 --> 03:26:09,340
like I was saying.

2324
03:26:09,340 --> 03:26:19,160
and five mazes also ask again if Elena is a location that council like staff to investigate

2325
03:26:19,160 --> 03:26:27,220
any particular segment we could start doing that and so if you already found

2326
03:26:27,220 --> 03:26:37,440
as it's leave it to staff to explore a certain area but there was a lot of

2327
03:26:37,440 --> 03:26:44,240
complaint of yeah that is a location at the kind of the curved segment at intersection of

2328
03:26:44,240 --> 03:26:51,080
Veneto so we are doing some striping and some signage improvements there so as part of the

2329
03:26:51,080 --> 03:26:55,340
street maintenance project that's going to move forward by my right that you're proposing that we

2330
03:26:55,340 --> 03:27:00,780
lose some outreach to residents and get some feedback understand what do they think is a holistic

2331
03:27:00,780 --> 03:27:06,420
solution because in the past I know the community has been very against you know speed bumps

2332
03:27:06,420 --> 03:27:14,080
and these flashing lights, and they went together or looking field. But you know, people change. So this was at least eight years ago.

2333
03:27:14,340 --> 03:27:20,980
I think the perception nowadays is do something about the speeds. Right. A great number. I said, people change, you know. So let's

2334
03:27:20,980 --> 03:27:36,260
Linda, you have your hand up. Good. Just a question. Do we want to have this share of focus on short periods of time or a maximum number of days a month or so that we don't spend an overly

2335
03:27:36,260 --> 03:27:42,520
high amount of money on this because we don't just leave it up to them to decide when they

2336
03:27:42,520 --> 03:27:48,780
should come out. They have stated on that. Their average was six to, I think it was six to

2337
03:27:48,780 --> 03:27:56,640
maybe 12, but they do, they are out there. So if the election was to resume the normal traffic

2338
03:27:56,640 --> 03:28:03,440
enforcement presence, that could be the direction or we would look forward, you want to increase it

2339
03:28:03,440 --> 03:28:11,610
from that. Well, we spent like 15,000 that seem excessive this time. Yeah, so do we want to say

2340
03:28:12,240 --> 03:28:21,120
no more than, you know, half that every month or do we want to limit it? Otherwise, we're going to keep spending 15,000 a month probably.

2341
03:28:21,940 --> 03:28:27,500
Well, so I had a question. You should 41 tickets out of those. How many were really egregious?

2342
03:28:34,260 --> 03:28:45,740
Well, I don't know but again, for what I believe our threshold was and everyone has their own individual threshold.

2343
03:28:46,500 --> 03:28:54,200
If you were walking your dog out there and that vehicle went by you at that threshold, you would notice it and to me that would be a grigis.

2344
03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:59,680
So, I'm not going to put a number on what I think is egregious.

2345
03:28:59,900 --> 03:29:06,200
The speed limits are set, but reasons that city engineers create, that residents probably

2346
03:29:06,200 --> 03:29:11,220
like, and when our threshold was over that to a significant amount.

2347
03:29:13,400 --> 03:29:15,960
All right, stand, do you have something you want to add?

2348
03:29:16,800 --> 03:29:23,140
I really want to make a request here, and that is that if you're going to try to trap

2349
03:29:23,140 --> 03:29:30,780
computers, maybe what you should do is just have like a random setup. So you don't do it every

2350
03:29:30,780 --> 03:29:36,780
single day, every single week, at the same time every single month, you just have a randomized.

2351
03:29:36,940 --> 03:29:44,020
So a broach. We don't like let's be trips. That's not legal. But with the, when the city manager

2352
03:29:44,020 --> 03:29:49,000
mentioned the 6 to 13 hour average, that's without targeted enforcement. Those are just your

2353
03:29:49,000 --> 03:29:56,100
traffic calls for service like your accidents or parking violations. So our traffic team is handling that, and that's about the average in a month.

2354
03:29:56,500 --> 03:29:59,980
When we do target enforcement, pretty much doubles the hours that...

2355
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:17,220
From normal traffic response calls for services, if that makes sense. And we can, I can work with the city manager to make it sporadic and and kind of move it around so that it doesn't become a consistent thing.

2356
03:30:17,620 --> 03:30:22,000
So how about if we save make it sporadic and play sporadic.

2357
03:30:24,900 --> 03:30:26,780
Let me finish.

2358
03:30:27,840 --> 03:30:35,380
How about if we ask the city manager to make it sporadic and cap it at about 5,000, instead of the 9,000.

2359
03:30:35,420 --> 03:30:36,040
5,000.

2360
03:30:36,520 --> 03:30:37,100
Yes.

2361
03:30:38,760 --> 03:30:39,580
Every month?

2362
03:30:40,180 --> 03:30:41,120
For now.

2363
03:30:42,420 --> 03:30:43,680
I don't feel we need that.

2364
03:30:44,260 --> 03:30:45,920
That would be my motion.

2365
03:30:46,520 --> 03:30:50,140
I would second that motion, because that's exactly what I was thinking.

2366
03:30:50,140 --> 03:30:56,940
All right. We have a motion in a second. Oh, sorry. We need public comment before that.

2367
03:31:04,300 --> 03:31:10,680
When we talked about this at the last session, we said we didn't want to be catching people that

2368
03:31:10,680 --> 03:31:15,960
were taking the kids to school and exceed in the speed limit by relatively small amounts and

2369
03:31:15,960 --> 03:31:21,080
people who are going 60 or 70 along those roads, I'm glad they're getting tickets.

2370
03:31:22,220 --> 03:31:35,940
But a lot of the speeders are not in the time scales of what we're hearing is the time operations of what traffic operates in.

2371
03:31:35,940 --> 03:31:44,960
I'm still hearing, I mean, two nights last week, there was the same, very high performance

2372
03:31:44,960 --> 03:31:52,820
sports car, downshifting, backfiring, that people are doing this outside of these kinds

2373
03:31:52,820 --> 03:32:02,280
of hours. So I feel that just putting it in in certain hours is impacting a certain group

2374
03:32:02,280 --> 03:32:09,880
and a certain group of people are going to get tickets. I think we have to be understanding that

2375
03:32:09,880 --> 03:32:16,500
a lot of people do exceed the speed limit but not by huge amounts. If we put in place

2376
03:32:16,500 --> 03:32:23,040
so it's kind of constant enforcement, a lot of people are going to get impacted who are not.

2377
03:32:24,740 --> 03:32:33,200
In my opinion, really causing the problems that we talked about trying to solve, and we were

2378
03:32:33,200 --> 03:32:42,140
driven by the fact we saw some extremely high speeders not doing like 15-20% over the average,

2379
03:32:42,420 --> 03:32:48,610
which I think is probably the norm in most places. So I'm just a little concern that the

2380
03:32:48,610 --> 03:32:55,690
of the hours and when we're doing this is impacting certain groups of residents but not really

2381
03:32:55,690 --> 03:33:02,290
possibly catching the people who are driving extremely fast in the town. The second thing I'd

2382
03:33:02,290 --> 03:33:07,330
just like to say is that and I don't know how this happened, I asked that the coffee with a sheriff

2383
03:33:07,330 --> 03:33:13,190
to try and stop people going straight through a stop sign on a restaurant arrow and stirrup.

2384
03:33:17,690 --> 03:33:18,590
And I don't

2385
03:33:18,590 --> 03:33:22,930
lasted for a short period of time. It was very effective, but then it came back.

2386
03:33:24,950 --> 03:33:26,450
All right, anybody else?

2387
03:33:28,770 --> 03:33:29,790
We've missed you.

2388
03:33:29,790 --> 03:33:36,250
On Epstein, I wouldn't tell you. You started this experiment. I think it was a great idea.

2389
03:33:36,450 --> 03:33:40,890
You put speed cameras out there. You determined that people were speeding. You then brought the

2390
03:33:40,890 --> 03:33:47,750
sheriff in to try and change public behavior. I think you need to put the speed cameras back out

2391
03:33:47,750 --> 03:33:53,330
again to see whether or not public behavior was changed. If it was changed, then the test was

2392
03:33:53,330 --> 03:33:57,930
a successful test. If it hasn't been changed, then the sheriff has to go out there again

2393
03:33:57,930 --> 03:34:04,390
and do it over again. Sometimes people don't learn on the first case, but before you decide

2394
03:34:04,390 --> 03:34:08,110
how much money you want to spend, I think you should determine whether the experiment is working

2395
03:34:08,110 --> 03:34:14,030
or not working and then make a decision after that. Because the goal is, as you guys have all mentioned,

2396
03:34:14,030 --> 03:34:22,910
This did make things safer. That's that's the ultimate goal. Thanks. Thank you.

2397
03:34:25,700 --> 03:34:29,320
I I drive around as a real estate broker speech.

2398
03:34:30,040 --> 03:34:34,080
I drive as a real estate agent around.

2399
03:34:34,680 --> 03:34:41,180
Los Altoes has put in hundreds of speed bumps. The traffic has slowed.

2400
03:34:41,180 --> 03:34:49,200
don't make the same mistake about putting him into tall, so the fire trucks can't drive over them and have to tear them all out again.

2401
03:34:50,580 --> 03:34:56,960
But I think people are getting used to speed bumps and should be used and it's not expensive.

2402
03:35:05,070 --> 03:35:11,830
First I'll try to synthesize because I agree very well with what both John and Alan said.

2403
03:35:13,270 --> 03:35:17,070
I mean, we started out with two months of looking at data and then we suddenly said, let's

2404
03:35:17,070 --> 03:35:21,130
not look at data. Let's go on vibes. No, don't do that. Go back to the data. Did it work

2405
03:35:21,130 --> 03:35:27,430
or did not work before you went in more money to this? Second, and I shared this data with

2406
03:35:27,430 --> 03:35:31,990
the mayor, and I wish I had it to share it with all of you. We talked a lot about eight

2407
03:35:31,990 --> 03:35:41,810
five percent. I let's say driving back and did a lot more work on the data. Most of the

2408
03:35:43,450 --> 03:35:50,110
And it's, you know, one or two cars at one end, like the egregious ones were not doing the times of enforcement.

2409
03:35:50,930 --> 03:35:54,490
And at the times when, you know, people are going 10 or the speed limit.

2410
03:35:54,690 --> 03:35:56,710
It is a hundred thousand road, sure.

2411
03:35:57,630 --> 03:35:59,210
But they're not going that fast.

2412
03:36:00,350 --> 03:36:01,890
So I'm not sure.

2413
03:36:02,150 --> 03:36:05,690
I think you're all getting a little ahead of yourselves.

2414
03:36:06,370 --> 03:36:08,810
Why don't you look at the data some more.

2415
03:36:08,810 --> 03:36:12,810
You've done this for a month, look at the data some more, and then figure it out.

2416
03:36:14,230 --> 03:36:19,790
And finally, as to echo a little bit about what Constubemba Tanka said,

2417
03:36:20,450 --> 03:36:26,350
you put in speed bumps, and you'll think this Okiyf and Trinox issues were a party in comparison to what you'll see here.

2418
03:36:26,550 --> 03:36:27,330
Thank you.

2419
03:36:31,270 --> 03:36:34,370
Okay, any further comments online?

2420
03:36:34,950 --> 03:36:35,530
Yeah, Mayor.

2421
03:36:35,870 --> 03:36:38,530
Okay, well then let's bring it back to council.

2422
03:36:42,180 --> 03:36:49,520
We heard that we have a full motion and a second and we were going call the vote and we've had discussion by the public

2423
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:55,300
We've also had discussion by the public the council already happily, so we can call the vote

2424
03:36:56,840 --> 03:36:58,340
Okay, let's call the vote.

2425
03:36:58,480 --> 03:36:59,400
That's the member mark.

2426
03:36:59,460 --> 03:37:00,020
Yes.

2427
03:37:00,020 --> 03:37:01,180
That's the number one.

2428
03:37:02,200 --> 03:37:04,180
In your repeat the motion.

2429
03:37:05,180 --> 03:37:07,640
What is it like 5,000?

2430
03:37:07,640 --> 03:37:08,100
Yes.

2431
03:37:08,100 --> 03:37:12,660
And what is the 5,000 proof in first, you know, the basic cost of the added cost?

2432
03:37:12,980 --> 03:37:16,360
The basic, yeah, I'm intervening as 10,000, yes.

2433
03:37:17,080 --> 03:37:29,980
No, it's, what I heard the sheriff say is that if our cost is 9,000, I think you offered the number of 12 to 15, but it's, as he mentioned, it depends on how many people challenge it and I will...

2434
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:44,600
Say, they're being very careful to give tickets only when there's a grigious speeding. So you could draw your own conclusions about what that means. But yeah, we're saying cut the 9,000 number to about 5,000.

2435
03:37:45,920 --> 03:37:50,460
But are we the motion thing about when they go out?

2436
03:37:51,240 --> 03:38:04,300
we we also talked about making it. Making it sporadic. But every month. Yeah. So they can decide what that means. As long as it's $5,000 a month.

2437
03:38:04,680 --> 03:38:10,580
I think I think the city manager and the sheriff will work that out. Is that right? Yes.

2438
03:38:10,580 --> 03:38:12,420
All right, then yes.

2439
03:38:14,090 --> 03:38:15,970
Councilmember Tonka? No.

2440
03:38:16,810 --> 03:38:18,190
Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes.

2441
03:38:18,570 --> 03:38:19,910
Mayor Petasia? Yes.

2442
03:38:20,210 --> 03:38:20,750
Thank you, Mayor.

2443
03:38:22,490 --> 03:38:27,890
And I would suggest, Cody, if we can put the signs up.

2444
03:38:28,230 --> 03:38:30,610
The speedlessly signs up again.

2445
03:38:30,930 --> 03:38:33,450
Yeah. In both modes and the same locations in Monitor.

2446
03:38:33,670 --> 03:38:35,570
If there's any difference, I think that would be a good exercise.

2447
03:38:35,750 --> 03:38:38,650
And I agree, we don't have to start adding new locations.

2448
03:38:38,650 --> 03:38:40,830
We could start over where we had put it before.

2449
03:38:40,830 --> 03:38:44,730
Thank you. Just to see if there's change in behavior. Correct.

2450
03:38:47,210 --> 03:38:53,870
Okay, we should do. Was this or a certain amount of time and then have the share of come back and report again?

2451
03:38:54,310 --> 03:39:00,650
We could have always request the share of to come back, but the motion as I interpret is.

2452
03:39:00,650 --> 03:39:07,990
I got 16 hours, so the $5,000 by the 300 average per hour that's like 16 hours per month.

2453
03:39:08,690 --> 03:39:11,810
So I could come and report back at the next month.

2454
03:39:12,210 --> 03:39:15,550
Council meeting of, you know, where we stand, what we see,

2455
03:39:15,730 --> 03:39:19,630
and then should the council request the sheriff to come and ask questions,

2456
03:39:19,730 --> 03:39:21,110
we could always invite them.

2457
03:39:21,250 --> 03:39:23,290
We're committing the 70, 80,000 a year.

2458
03:39:24,770 --> 03:39:29,610
So yeah, so we need to come back in a month and see where we stand again.

2459
03:39:29,610 --> 03:39:34,250
Yes, there will be a I'll check in with you every month is what I'm trying to spread. What's that mean?

2460
03:39:35,150 --> 03:39:37,530
Yes, let's do that. Let's see. So

2461
03:39:38,070 --> 03:39:44,030
We're going to take a short break, but I thought we'd give a one final shot at

2462
03:39:44,030 --> 03:39:45,990
Shandar figure out a planning commissioner

2463
03:39:47,850 --> 03:39:48,330
So

2464
03:39:48,330 --> 03:39:57,210
both say we don't want to do it. This is too long. Right. So we're gonna we're gonna do one one small timer on the dance floor and

2465
03:39:57,210 --> 03:40:01,090
Well, hopefully we can converge, but otherwise we'll have to take it to the next meeting.

2466
03:40:01,430 --> 03:40:04,090
So can you hand out the ballots again?

2467
03:40:04,330 --> 03:40:05,350
Or how do you want to do that?

2468
03:40:05,510 --> 03:40:09,830
Well, since we only have two, it seems like it's only two candidates.

2469
03:40:10,430 --> 03:40:12,150
Can we just have a motion in a second?

2470
03:40:12,470 --> 03:40:13,490
Because I'm actually at a ballot.

2471
03:40:13,930 --> 03:40:15,230
I will move to a point.

2472
03:40:15,350 --> 03:40:17,970
Monica tonight to the planning commission.

2473
03:40:18,290 --> 03:40:19,570
I will second that.

2474
03:40:22,740 --> 03:40:23,580
I'm just getting a motion.

2475
03:40:23,720 --> 03:40:24,900
I'll just want to take advantage.

2476
03:40:28,750 --> 03:40:29,190
Okay.

2477
03:40:29,470 --> 03:40:30,630
And then you're ready for a roll call?

2478
03:40:30,630 --> 03:40:31,710
Yes.

2479
03:40:31,870 --> 03:40:33,310
Councilmember Mark?

2480
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:36,440
Yes.

2481
03:40:37,800 --> 03:40:38,660
Councilmember Swan?

2482
03:40:39,480 --> 03:40:40,360
No.

2483
03:40:41,720 --> 03:40:42,680
Vice Mayor Tyson?

2484
03:40:43,120 --> 03:40:43,560
Yes.

2485
03:40:43,860 --> 03:40:44,540
Mayor Battasia?

2486
03:40:44,920 --> 03:40:45,240
Yes.

2487
03:40:45,800 --> 03:40:45,920
Congratulations.

2488
03:40:46,620 --> 03:40:46,780
Congratulations.

2489
03:40:49,020 --> 03:40:52,620
And Michelle, I really hope you'll...

2490
03:40:52,620 --> 03:40:56,720
Michelle, I hope you'll stick around for an appointment in November.

2491
03:40:57,980 --> 03:40:59,000
Thank you.

2492
03:40:59,440 --> 03:40:59,500
Thank you.

2493
03:40:59,500 --> 03:40:59,600
Thanks.

2494
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:01,080
All right.

2495
03:41:01,080 --> 03:41:01,740
Good timing.

2496
03:41:02,140 --> 03:41:02,180
Good timing.

2497
03:41:02,180 --> 03:41:02,620
That's it.

2498
03:41:03,180 --> 03:41:03,700
Okay.

2499
03:41:03,700 --> 03:41:05,800
We're going to take about a 10 minute break and come back.

2500
03:41:05,880 --> 03:41:06,720
Thank you.

2501
03:41:10,220 --> 03:41:13,320
We're coming back from recess.

2502
03:41:16,640 --> 03:41:19,100
Next item on the agenda is 6C.

2503
03:41:19,740 --> 03:41:25,400
Consider project school block options for Parks and Rec Center renovation and provide

2504
03:41:25,400 --> 03:41:26,360
staff with direction.

2505
03:41:26,860 --> 03:41:27,000
Yes.

2506
03:41:27,100 --> 03:41:27,740
Thank you, Mayor.

2507
03:41:28,100 --> 03:41:32,240
I'd just like to introduce Melissa Elion, the associate engineer on the project.

2508
03:41:32,700 --> 03:41:33,580
Thank you.

2509
03:41:33,640 --> 03:41:33,880
Melissa.

2510
03:41:34,840 --> 03:41:37,300
Good evening Mayor and council.

2511
03:41:38,700 --> 03:41:45,200
I'm here to present parks and recreation center renovation projects scope options.

2512
03:41:48,340 --> 03:41:54,180
So I'd like to discuss a little bit of the background of the project in February 15, 2024.

2513
03:41:55,340 --> 03:42:02,120
For the Civic Center Improvement CIP Council approved the option to renovate the parks and recreation building

2514
03:42:02,120 --> 03:42:09,580
and also make necessary modifications to town hall with a cost estimate of about 1.5 million,

2515
03:42:09,820 --> 03:42:17,520
which was added to the budget. And then in 20, excuse me, in 25, 26 fiscal year operating

2516
03:42:17,520 --> 03:42:24,380
in capital budget, Parks and Recreation Center, Renovation CIP replaced the Civic Center

2517
03:42:24,380 --> 03:42:25,700
improvements CIP.

2518
03:42:28,140 --> 03:42:34,280
So a little bit about the scope of what's in the existing CIP, it's to create

2519
03:42:34,280 --> 03:42:40,700
a more functional space for town employees to include ADA upgrades to modify the building

2520
03:42:40,700 --> 03:42:47,320
configuration, to create additional work spaces, to create improvements to the HVAC system,

2521
03:42:47,880 --> 03:42:54,500
to optimize storage, potentially expand the building footprint, and also to make improvements

2522
03:42:54,500 --> 03:42:59,300
town hall to accommodate relocation of staffing and programs.

2523
03:43:01,650 --> 03:43:03,090
A little bit about the existing

2524
03:43:03,090 --> 03:43:11,710
condition aka what we have now. It was built in the 1950s. It's about 880 square feet. We currently

2525
03:43:11,710 --> 03:43:17,710
use the Parks and Recreation Building for office space, the Parks and Recreation Program and

2526
03:43:17,710 --> 03:43:24,110
Youth Committee meetings. Existing we have two workstations and one office, the current

2527
03:43:24,110 --> 03:43:28,810
Configuration doesn't maximize the space and is not optimal for staff.

2528
03:43:29,630 --> 03:43:32,570
The work stations could increase with a better layout.

2529
03:43:32,970 --> 03:43:35,450
There's privacy concerns with the restroom.

2530
03:43:35,990 --> 03:43:37,650
The walls are very thin.

2531
03:43:38,270 --> 03:43:41,190
Storage organization could be better.

2532
03:43:41,770 --> 03:43:44,890
The gas electric H-FAC system requires upgrades.

2533
03:43:44,930 --> 03:43:47,690
It's not heating and cooling properly currently.

2534
03:43:48,710 --> 03:43:50,530
So we would like to improve that.

2535
03:43:50,530 --> 03:43:53,650
and then electrical and plumbing systems require upgrades.

2536
03:43:56,870 --> 03:44:00,350
The proposed options, we have option one,

2537
03:44:00,650 --> 03:44:04,150
the Parks and Recreation Building Renovation and Town Hall

2538
03:44:04,150 --> 03:44:10,230
Modification, which was approved by Council in February of 2024.

2539
03:44:11,150 --> 03:44:14,390
Option two, which is a new prefabricated building.

2540
03:44:14,490 --> 03:44:17,030
We had heard discussion that there was some interest in this

2541
03:44:17,030 --> 03:44:21,090
by the community members, so we're bringing option two.

2542
03:44:21,090 --> 03:44:28,890
And then option 3, which staff came up with, which is to address the immediate needs of the Parks and Recreation Building.

2543
03:44:31,420 --> 03:44:45,480
So option number 1, which was approved by Council in February of 2024, as this preliminary layout, is to reconfigure the space for a more efficient layout, including moving of walls.

2544
03:44:46,260 --> 03:44:54,060
Renovation for one office and four work stations in comparison to the existing one office in two work stations

2545
03:44:54,060 --> 03:44:59,980
HVAC, electrical, plumbing and security upgrades, installing a new fire spring.

2546
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:14,780
There's the system for safety, ADA and other compliance improvements, new work stations and storage furnishings and modifications to town hall as necessary if there's any relocation that's required.

2547
03:45:14,780 --> 03:45:33,600
for construction completion, we're looking at May 2028, that's like two and a half years and the estimated cost of that, which will be further designed after we receive our concept design is a million 344,000.

2548
03:45:33,600 --> 03:45:42,680
So kind of going in more in detail about the cost, so we did an estimate, a rough estimate

2549
03:45:42,680 --> 03:45:48,760
for design services, building permits, there would be no demo in site improvements since

2550
03:45:48,760 --> 03:45:54,480
it would just be an interior renovation for this option, and then construction building

2551
03:45:54,480 --> 03:46:00,420
cost, construction administration from the design consultant, which gives us the total

2552
03:46:00,420 --> 03:46:08,880
of a million 344,000, and then we also have a timeline, which is to my right, which discusses

2553
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:15,220
kind of the design timeline, the intent to get the concept design approved by Council by

2554
03:46:15,220 --> 03:46:22,520
August of 2026, building permanent approval, Council authorizing the bid for the renovation project

2555
03:46:22,520 --> 03:46:28,160
and then kind of trickling down to our construction completion of May 2028.

2556
03:46:29,890 --> 03:46:40,130
So option number two is a new pre-fabricated building. I know in a lot of residential projects, we have these in town, so

2557
03:46:40,130 --> 03:46:47,090
there was talk from the community about considering this for our parks and rack buildings, so we included it.

2558
03:46:47,410 --> 03:46:58,770
So the scope for this project is a little distinct because it would require us to acquire a conditional use permit and also go to planning commission

2559
03:46:58,770 --> 03:47:02,070
whereas for renovation, it would just be a building permit.

2560
03:47:03,230 --> 03:47:05,170
So the process for this is a little different.

2561
03:47:05,290 --> 03:47:06,810
And if I'm not mistaken, would you

2562
03:47:06,810 --> 03:47:09,070
we would have to go to the state architect

2563
03:47:09,070 --> 03:47:11,610
for permit approval?

2564
03:47:13,030 --> 03:47:16,930
So that process also kind of makes it a little more lengthy.

2565
03:47:17,830 --> 03:47:19,450
But talking about this scope,

2566
03:47:19,690 --> 03:47:21,970
so it would be demolition of the existing building,

2567
03:47:22,650 --> 03:47:24,250
site grading and improvements,

2568
03:47:24,250 --> 03:47:29,970
potential removal of trees, the redwood trees that are kind of near the

2569
03:47:29,970 --> 03:47:34,930
city manager's office or potentially other trees that are in the way. We're

2570
03:47:34,930 --> 03:47:39,410
looking at having a new prefab building of approximately a thousand square feet.

2571
03:47:40,510 --> 03:47:45,690
So that would increase the square footage by about 120 square feet. We would be

2572
03:47:45,690 --> 03:47:51,710
looking at six workstations and one office, which is estimated in further defined

2573
03:47:51,710 --> 03:47:59,070
after the concept plan, compared to our one office and existing two work stations, a heat pump

2574
03:47:59,070 --> 03:48:05,750
HFAC system and fire suppression system or fire sprinkler system. We're looking at completion

2575
03:48:06,420 --> 03:48:14,560
to be in March, 2021, over three years due to the planning process. In the estimated cost is

2576
03:48:14,560 --> 03:48:23,920
1,164,000 to 1,404,000, and that's depending on the quality and the great of the pre-fat building.

2577
03:48:24,560 --> 03:48:27,440
We included some pictures to the right.

2578
03:48:27,720 --> 03:48:32,220
As you can see, the top picture is a different quality than the middle picture.

2579
03:48:33,020 --> 03:48:39,580
So it's just kind of to show the range of quality that we can get into from a pre-fat building

2580
03:48:39,580 --> 03:48:42,540
and how that affects the price of it.

2581
03:48:45,320 --> 03:48:50,000
So, going more into detail with the cost and the timeline.

2582
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:52,640
So, we looked at design services.

2583
03:48:53,400 --> 03:48:56,460
Again, planning applications, building permits.

2584
03:48:57,260 --> 03:49:01,260
The cost for demo and site improvements is higher here,

2585
03:49:01,260 --> 03:49:03,400
because we will need to prepare the site.

2586
03:49:03,520 --> 03:49:06,700
We'll need to bring utilities to it.

2587
03:49:07,020 --> 03:49:09,220
All of that prep work, remove trees,

2588
03:49:09,900 --> 03:49:12,700
construction and building costs, construction administration,

2589
03:49:12,700 --> 03:49:19,740
all of that leading to the range that I discussed before of a million, 164,000 to a million,

2590
03:49:20,220 --> 03:49:27,640
404,000. And then looking at the timeline, you kind of see the timeline of awarding the RFP,

2591
03:49:27,640 --> 03:49:31,940
preparing the concept design, which would be in September of 2026.

2592
03:49:34,140 --> 03:49:36,600
And then building permit approval

2593
03:49:36,600 --> 03:49:42,960
in August of 2028. So all of that time to kind of go to planning permission, get the conditional

2594
03:49:42,960 --> 03:49:51,800
use permit, go to the state architect for it as well, and also select our company contractor

2595
03:49:53,160 --> 03:49:59,280
to assist us with this job to have the construction completion in March of 2029.

2596
03:50:02,480 --> 03:50:10,300
And option number three would be just to address the immediate needs of the building.

2597
03:50:10,860 --> 03:50:16,860
Town staff kind of got together and identified three major needs that the building needs currently.

2598
03:50:17,560 --> 03:50:24,880
The first one is to upgrade the Unisex restroom to enhance privacy and usability per building code.

2599
03:50:24,880 --> 03:50:31,980
Another is to install three town standard work stations and storage shelving, which would help the storage

2600
03:50:31,980 --> 03:50:42,500
and also kind of better functionality with putting in town standard work stations that are kind of uniform with our town hall currently.

2601
03:50:43,340 --> 03:50:54,160
And to upgrade gas electric HVAC with heat pump system and electrical upgrades, we may need to upgrade the electrical panel if we do do the heat pump system.

2602
03:50:54,160 --> 03:50:59,820
that's also something that will be defined in the concept design. The duration for that

2603
03:50:59,820 --> 03:51:05,380
we're looking at 18 to 20 months and the estimated costs for that would be $400,000.

2604
03:51:09,440 --> 03:51:16,440
And just going more into detail, we're looking at design services and then we kind of delineated

2605
03:51:16,440 --> 03:51:25,320
each item as to what would be a cost estimate for that, bringing us to a total of $400,000.

2606
03:51:25,320 --> 03:51:32,420
And in terms of our timeline, it's pretty straightforward of, you know, soliciting the proposal,

2607
03:51:33,040 --> 03:51:41,220
getting to final design, bidding an awarding construction, and then construction, bringing us to 18 to 20 months.

2608
03:51:43,710 --> 03:51:52,430
And the staff recommendation is to consider the scope options for option 1, 2, and 3, and to please provide us with

2609
03:51:52,430 --> 03:51:52,930
action.

2610
03:51:59,730 --> 03:52:06,910
Yes. So it would be an interior renovation. So it would not be a demo and a rebuild.

2611
03:52:06,950 --> 03:52:13,470
It would just be an interior renovation and a space reconfiguration alongside the other scope items listed.

2612
03:52:14,130 --> 03:52:18,970
Help someone attack. Talk, can you turn on your microphone? Sorry, can I ask questions?

2613
03:52:19,590 --> 03:52:23,970
When was this building constructed? In the 1950s.

2614
03:52:28,030 --> 03:52:29,970
And we're only getting two new workstation. That's it.

2615
03:52:30,690 --> 03:52:37,970
Um, for option 1, that would be correct. And to really think with the pressing need for two more

2616
03:52:37,970 --> 03:52:45,250
workstation at this point to spend 1.4, do we really need that at this point? I can weigh in on that. So

2617
03:52:45,250 --> 03:52:50,510
part of that, but it's not only workstations, it also has a break room and a quiet room if, yeah,

2618
03:52:50,670 --> 03:52:54,830
so there's more than just workstations, but to answer your direct question, is there immediate need?

2619
03:52:55,230 --> 03:53:00,190
No, I had all of the directors kind of, we came together and talked about it. There's not as

2620
03:53:00,690 --> 03:53:06,550
as big as the immediate need as we get per suit or a thought there would be when we first put this

2621
03:53:06,550 --> 03:53:12,390
on to our CIP list. We thought we were going to be expanding staff to catch puts all the regulations

2622
03:53:12,390 --> 03:53:18,650
coming down from the state, all of those conversations. That isn't what we believe is the need any

2623
03:53:18,650 --> 03:53:23,590
more. We truly really need the space only during the summer when our interns come in. We onboard

2624
03:53:23,590 --> 03:53:30,170
about six to five to six interns for about four months, but then they leave and we found space

2625
03:53:30,170 --> 03:53:37,110
them in the conference lobby, the conference room in the lobby, so no, there is not an immediate

2626
03:53:37,110 --> 03:53:41,730
need to have two more work stations. And the reason the embarked on it was that we felt there

2627
03:53:41,730 --> 03:53:46,970
was the imminent need for more work stations. We were expecting a delusion of SB 9 applications.

2628
03:53:47,610 --> 03:53:52,270
We would have high new staff. So that's not really what you're seeing. Correct. We were thinking

2629
03:53:52,270 --> 03:53:55,930
we were going to expand our engineering staff, possibly our planning staff.

2630
03:53:57,790 --> 03:54:04,710
Oh, and as a part of the pound hall, we did actually add more workstations for those who have

2631
03:54:04,710 --> 03:54:10,670
come by, we converted our mail room into two workstations and spot the mail room, we digitized

2632
03:54:10,670 --> 03:54:15,550
all our records and now that's our new mail room. So we added the workstation in town hall.

2633
03:54:16,310 --> 03:54:24,950
So to answer the question, is there a meeting need to add more workstations in the

2634
03:54:24,950 --> 03:54:31,770
building is 1950s, should we put in 1.3 million just to do the interiors? Is that makes sense?

2635
03:54:32,130 --> 03:54:33,390
What's your profession?

2636
03:54:34,630 --> 03:54:39,350
The thoughts that are going through my head is I've heard that there's it used to be the old

2637
03:54:39,350 --> 03:54:43,490
person who holds water district building. There's a little bit of a sentimental hold on to that.

2638
03:54:43,610 --> 03:54:49,590
So there's that argument, but I would say, if you want my opinion, it's as someone who's

2639
03:54:49,590 --> 03:54:54,010
actually worked in the building for like five years, the immediate needs are the HVAC and

2640
03:54:54,010 --> 03:54:59,890
bathroom privacy issue to get that to actually be, you know, optimal for the people that

2641
03:54:59,890 --> 03:55:01,450
will work there throughout the day.

2642
03:55:02,550 --> 03:55:08,790
Can we go to option 2, please?

2643
03:55:12,370 --> 03:55:18,270
Hey, it appears to me that option 2 and option 1 are approximately the same price.

2644
03:55:18,490 --> 03:55:25,570
However, in option 2, there is like, there's also a cost basis for option 2 as well, which

2645
03:55:25,570 --> 03:55:31,790
not on this. By the way, the middle picture looks pretty good and I would like to have that

2646
03:55:32,550 --> 03:55:38,650
as part of the Parks and Rec building. I think that's probably the 1.4 which is approximately

2647
03:55:38,650 --> 03:55:46,230
the same price as the total remodel that you guys are looking at. At the time it appears to be about

2648
03:55:46,230 --> 03:55:54,230
the same amount of time to do that as well. So what I'm thinking is that if I can have to

2649
03:55:54,230 --> 03:56:00,910
especially on the cost on option two please that would be really helpful for me. Okay, thank you very much.

2650
03:56:01,910 --> 03:56:09,030
Now, I'll continue to go, go, go, go, go, go. Where's the air conditioning here?

2651
03:56:09,890 --> 03:56:09,890
Oh,

2652
03:56:12,280 --> 03:56:13,400
can you just slide please?

2653
03:56:14,500 --> 03:56:14,860
Oh, yeah.

2654
03:56:14,920 --> 03:56:17,400
No, no, no, no, no, just leave it here please.

2655
03:56:17,400 --> 03:56:25,720
I believe that these costs are far higher than what they should be.

2656
03:56:25,880 --> 03:56:30,080
We could probably do it for under like $800,000.

2657
03:56:31,180 --> 03:56:37,560
If you take away the contingency and the fact that these things are pre-built.

2658
03:56:38,120 --> 03:56:44,700
So you should be able to take one of these items and slide it onto a foundation and just

2659
03:56:44,700 --> 03:56:51,280
up the electrical and the plumbing in my opinion. Now you have to do this take down the old building

2660
03:56:51,280 --> 03:56:58,860
and the two redwood trees that are adjacent to it. You will have an additional one or two

2661
03:56:58,860 --> 03:57:07,000
work spaces on that 100 and plus square feet. I think that you could probably go maybe a little bit larger

2662
03:57:07,000 --> 03:57:12,900
than a thousand square feet, maybe 1200 square feet for the same pricing as this and I think that you

2663
03:57:12,900 --> 03:57:16,240
probably do it in about a year and a half.

2664
03:57:16,720 --> 03:57:20,800
My other patio costs 800,000 just to close it

2665
03:57:20,800 --> 03:57:24,220
back into a room. The doctor says it's a remodel

2666
03:57:24,220 --> 03:57:28,860
that's the thing. If it's a pre-fab, pre-fab's are done

2667
03:57:28,860 --> 03:57:32,240
someplace else, they're done in high quality

2668
03:57:32,240 --> 03:57:35,960
and they're shipped over here and they're dropped in with the crane.

2669
03:57:36,640 --> 03:57:38,000
So you just vault it down.

2670
03:57:38,000 --> 03:57:43,480
last week. Where would you cut costs? Yeah, it's right there. The construction building cost

2671
03:57:43,480 --> 03:57:49,580
between 600 and 800,000. I don't believe that that's going to be the case. I think that

2672
03:57:49,580 --> 03:57:55,540
the demolition is going to be a little bit less expensive than 200,000. Or maybe I'm really

2673
03:57:55,540 --> 03:58:04,540
way out of whack on that. But let me tell you, 1996, when I put a bit in my house, I wanted them

2674
03:58:04,540 --> 03:58:14,040
pay $10,000 to demolish my entire house and here I'm looking at $200,000 for the same thing

2675
03:58:14,040 --> 03:58:22,380
and my house was larger than a sponge. So if I may just add that within the cost it also includes the

2676
03:58:22,380 --> 03:58:27,600
installation of a new fire sprinkler system which means we would need to route the fire sprinkler

2677
03:58:27,600 --> 03:58:33,540
there and install the water line and it also includes the new heat pump system and a potential

2678
03:58:33,540 --> 03:58:40,940
electrical panel upgrade. Thank you for that. That comes through it in these numbers. Correct.

2679
03:58:42,100 --> 03:58:47,840
I've already talked. He can stop anyway. So that's my line of reasoning here. I think it's

2680
03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:52,780
going to be more efficient. I think it's going to be faster. I think it's going to be less expensive.

2681
03:58:53,140 --> 03:58:56,640
I think that the build quality will be far higher.

2682
03:58:59,920 --> 03:59:03,640
George? Having been involved with the

2683
03:59:03,640 --> 03:59:09,700
commercial construction and also with my students at Cal, I say never get rid of the contingency

2684
03:59:09,700 --> 03:59:16,180
that is part of your project. And so my initial question was, you've got a 20% contingency

2685
03:59:16,180 --> 03:59:21,400
for both one and two and I don't know what the right number would be, but I tell you what,

2686
03:59:21,420 --> 03:59:25,900
I'm not going to try to redesign a reprise your project for you here. If we look at number three,

2687
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:32,920
my question is, is the contingency built into those elements there for $400,000. This is already

2688
03:59:32,920 --> 03:59:38,840
included because I don't see it separately. I think that that would be further defined at the

2689
03:59:38,840 --> 03:59:46,440
concept design, but I think currently it is. Yeah. That still would require a designer to design

2690
03:59:46,440 --> 03:59:56,140
the HVAC and also the restroom. Great. Thank you. Okay. Can we go back to Option 1, please?

2691
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:10,980
Okay. Let's see. You have modifications to town hall as necessary. That seems like a bit of a black hole to me. What exactly does that mean?

2692
04:00:10,980 --> 04:00:17,200
Um, so that would be like any basically changes that we need to the parks and

2693
04:00:17,200 --> 04:00:25,400
rex building that kind of effect, um, kind of staffing needs or needs, um, yeah,

2694
04:00:25,600 --> 04:00:31,160
needs that are affected by the parks and rex renovation, um, to renovate town hall

2695
04:00:31,160 --> 04:00:35,040
to accommodate that. And it's my understanding that we've already done that. Correct.

2696
04:00:35,200 --> 04:00:40,960
Yeah, so this option, one that was approved by council, this, uh, we were planning to move the

2697
04:00:40,980 --> 04:00:47,780
staff that's currently in their in-to-town all, so Paxera services that might need public-facing

2698
04:00:49,200 --> 04:00:53,580
workstations and finance would go into the renovated Paxera and REC building.

2699
04:00:55,480 --> 04:00:59,020
So any modification related to that relocation of services?

2700
04:00:59,740 --> 04:01:06,900
But I think with the workstations that we created currently, there might not be a huge need for more modifications

2701
04:01:06,900 --> 04:01:13,240
we can probably step into the workstation that's currently existing and share the public facing

2702
04:01:13,240 --> 04:01:19,020
counter that's currently happening. So should I just ignore that? That was the scope

2703
04:01:19,020 --> 04:01:24,480
approved as option one. I'm asking you if I know the scope of the group does it does that

2704
04:01:24,480 --> 04:01:32,200
item still it may not need to happen. Okay, thank you. And then on the prefab could you go to that

2705
04:01:32,200 --> 04:01:34,200
option to.

2706
04:01:38,610 --> 04:01:41,790
I heard some mention here of you have to go to a state

2707
04:01:41,790 --> 04:01:48,030
architected. I hear that correctly. Yeah, I make clarifies. So these

2708
04:01:48,030 --> 04:01:53,730
feedback buildings, the building permit is issued by the Department of State

2709
04:01:53,730 --> 04:01:59,710
Architects. So the town may have some control over site improvements that's

2710
04:01:59,710 --> 04:02:04,610
needed, but the building permit of the fabricated buildings are

2711
04:02:04,610 --> 04:02:06,050
by the state architects.

2712
04:02:07,290 --> 04:02:15,130
And if I could weigh in any time you had modified the prefabricated unit, you would have to go back to the state to be able to have it modified.

2713
04:02:17,230 --> 04:02:23,650
The places where it ties to the site are where the local building department would have control.

2714
04:02:24,250 --> 04:02:25,770
All right. Thank you.

2715
04:02:26,570 --> 04:02:32,610
And then in this option, you have a new heat pump and HVAC system and fire suppression system.

2716
04:02:33,710 --> 04:02:42,610
Is it possible for us to get any grants from the guy in my left, maybe he can cut a check for you guys?

2717
04:02:44,010 --> 04:02:51,610
Yeah, definitely well investigate. Even for the renovation project, if we upgrade to heat pump electrification, there could be some rebates and some...

2718
04:02:52,350 --> 04:02:58,930
There's some rebates provided by SVCE, but it's not a big issue, but we could further investigate as well.

2719
04:02:58,930 --> 04:03:09,190
Okay. And then it looks to me like between option one and option two there's not a significant difference in cost.

2720
04:03:10,270 --> 04:03:17,390
One of them is between one point let's say 1.2 and 1.4 and option one is about 1.3.

2721
04:03:18,430 --> 04:03:22,930
So we're dealing with a building that's about 75 years old is that about right?

2722
04:03:24,430 --> 04:03:30,120
Well, I would imagine that's kind of at the end of its useful life, so I will report $400,000 into that.

2723
04:03:31,070 --> 04:03:37,190
If I may chime in, I think option three, it could be a good option.

2724
04:03:37,430 --> 04:03:42,370
I think if we do those things, we could have a few many years of useful life,

2725
04:03:42,370 --> 04:03:44,650
add many years of useful life to that building.

2726
04:03:44,650 --> 04:03:51,350
The currently that building, those issues that we identify may be the only issues and if those

2727
04:03:51,350 --> 04:03:56,210
are addressed, I think it's still be a good space that's usable for the next 10 years or so.

2728
04:03:56,590 --> 04:03:56,710
Okay.

2729
04:03:57,050 --> 04:04:03,850
Well, I would have some concerns about how that building designed back in that era would

2730
04:04:03,850 --> 04:04:06,030
perform in a note quick.

2731
04:04:06,650 --> 04:04:08,230
Again, it's built in 1950.

2732
04:04:08,750 --> 04:04:09,050
That's so.

2733
04:04:09,510 --> 04:04:11,610
No, I'm just from a design standpoint.

2734
04:04:11,610 --> 04:04:17,610
The way buildings were designed back in 1950s very different than they were designed in the 80s, for example.

2735
04:04:20,050 --> 04:04:27,910
I would not want to have that sort of weighing on us.

2736
04:04:28,670 --> 04:04:31,650
I can't recall the exact year.

2737
04:04:32,630 --> 04:04:37,330
But somewhere around five years ago in Carl was still here, we did do a structural assessment of the building.

2738
04:04:37,330 --> 04:04:43,410
We have that on file. I forget the findings of the study, but we do have it that could be reviewed.

2739
04:04:45,030 --> 04:04:48,570
Yeah, it did have a lot of problematic

2740
04:04:50,110 --> 04:04:58,310
findings and my one comment of I just remember there were being a lot of public comment challenging those that people were attached to the building a lot of the history committee

2741
04:05:00,250 --> 04:05:00,770
Yeah

2742
04:05:01,450 --> 04:05:08,730
Yeah, so okay. Any other comments from the council? We take it to the comment.

2743
04:05:09,530 --> 04:05:11,770
Okay. Well, I'd like to say something.

2744
04:05:12,350 --> 04:05:14,550
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Lou, I didn't see your hand up.

2745
04:05:15,270 --> 04:05:24,110
That's okay. If you remember, Regeven, we went to look at that pre-fab apartment building in Los Altos.

2746
04:05:24,110 --> 04:05:32,850
the permits for that one had to go to the state. And it didn't seem to be like a significant deal to the builders.

2747
04:05:33,990 --> 04:05:34,030
Right.

2748
04:05:34,030 --> 04:05:35,150
Anyway, just them.

2749
04:05:35,630 --> 04:05:36,970
You're talking about the business.

2750
04:05:37,410 --> 04:05:40,350
This is just a circle in less salt as we saw that.

2751
04:05:40,490 --> 04:05:41,510
That wouldn't have been the same issue.

2752
04:05:41,530 --> 04:05:43,410
It's lifting them up with the cranes and all of that.

2753
04:05:44,430 --> 04:05:44,710
Right.

2754
04:05:46,450 --> 04:05:50,870
But if we don't need the space, I'm not sure we really want to spend

2755
04:05:50,870 --> 04:05:59,930
1.4 million dollars to rebuild this. I don't know. I thought we needed a space and now we're

2756
04:05:59,930 --> 04:06:07,930
hearing, well, maybe we really don't. So maybe the 400,000, if that building is structurally

2757
04:06:07,930 --> 04:06:08,450
found,

2758
04:06:10,630 --> 04:06:16,090
if we looked at it five years ago and it looked okay, it has been to a few earthquakes

2759
04:06:16,090 --> 04:06:16,530
too.

2760
04:06:18,710 --> 04:06:24,430
So, you know, a lot of buildings in the 50s are still standing and haven't had any issues

2761
04:06:24,430 --> 04:06:32,410
and were built maybe not to the same codes but with enough margin that they're still fine.

2762
04:06:33,350 --> 04:06:38,190
So, I'm just not sure spending an extra million dollars when the staff is saying we don't really

2763
04:06:38,190 --> 04:06:40,730
need the space is worth it.

2764
04:06:43,360 --> 04:06:47,200
Well, I think the question my mind is there are some modifications

2765
04:06:47,200 --> 04:06:56,220
that are required, specifically the rest room and what were the other ones, Kolees, HVAC and so

2766
04:06:56,220 --> 04:07:02,920
if we're going to spend $400,000 on that and then the building is already 75 years old and

2767
04:07:02,920 --> 04:07:09,120
apparently not structurally sound from the reviews that we're done previously, it seems to me

2768
04:07:09,120 --> 04:07:15,400
I realize it's a big number, it's spent an extra million dollars but at some point you do have to think

2769
04:07:15,400 --> 04:07:18,720
about, you know, is the building past as useful life

2770
04:07:18,720 --> 04:07:21,360
and more importantly, is it safe

2771
04:07:21,360 --> 04:07:23,800
in some kind of situation like in its wake?

2772
04:07:24,940 --> 04:07:29,300
Sure, but I thought, Cody said it was the value of it.

2773
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:38,440
For that. And though it may have had some issues, it wasn't like ready to fall down, or maybe it's just minor issues that could be repaired.

2774
04:07:39,200 --> 04:07:50,600
I didn't get a feeling that they said it was at the end of its life and its unsafe. If that was the case, we shouldn't have been in there for the last five years.

2775
04:07:51,260 --> 04:07:51,460
I don't know.

2776
04:07:51,460 --> 04:07:56,140
All right. I see Director Bradford, you know, would like to add something.

2777
04:07:56,900 --> 04:08:01,760
Yeah, when we talked about this project internally as staff, we looked at it from a projection

2778
04:08:01,760 --> 04:08:06,920
of what our workload would look like. One thing that you may want to consider that we did not

2779
04:08:07,420 --> 04:08:15,760
in our conversation was the opportunity to do this at a timely fashion now because it gives us the

2780
04:08:15,760 --> 04:08:20,800
opportunity why we don't have a staffing demand, where we wouldn't have to relocate as many staff

2781
04:08:20,800 --> 04:08:27,620
to be able to do the project where if we had, you know, and we're getting close to capacity again,

2782
04:08:27,840 --> 04:08:31,600
it could cause us to have additional costs to be able to have other office space

2783
04:08:31,600 --> 04:08:36,660
could convert it temporarily to then house those employees while the other space is being

2784
04:08:36,660 --> 04:08:42,720
configured. So you could see that this is an an ideal time where you're kind of in between

2785
04:08:42,720 --> 04:08:45,480
staffing demand for that particular facility.

2786
04:08:49,280 --> 04:08:58,200
And that case, and I think option to sounds like a better bargain, because you get a little more square footage and everything is new.

2787
04:08:58,220 --> 04:08:59,620
That's all right.

2788
04:08:59,740 --> 04:09:00,800
I'm an office.

2789
04:09:01,480 --> 04:09:04,520
Any public comment to hear in the room or online?

2790
04:09:05,160 --> 04:09:09,340
I have Carol with the hand raised online, and I think I have Alan coming from the back.

2791
04:09:09,640 --> 04:09:10,880
Thank you, first. Carol.

2792
04:09:12,280 --> 04:09:14,040
I'll do Carol, call Carol.

2793
04:09:14,820 --> 04:09:17,180
Well, start with Carol. Oh, I'm sorry.

2794
04:09:18,420 --> 04:09:18,960
If I let's continue.

2795
04:09:23,970 --> 04:09:27,210
I think we're going for Carol.

2796
04:09:28,090 --> 04:09:29,930
Now on Epstein, I live in town.

2797
04:09:30,550 --> 04:09:33,990
First comment I'd like to make is the council gave direction two years ago,

2798
04:09:35,350 --> 04:09:40,250
and I was surprising that two years have gone by and

2799
04:09:40,250 --> 04:09:45,110
staff didn't implement the recommendations that the council had made two years ago.

2800
04:09:45,110 --> 04:09:47,590
And that's the first comment I'd like to make.

2801
04:09:48,230 --> 04:09:51,390
Second, I agree that if you're going to spend the money,

2802
04:09:51,590 --> 04:09:52,950
it certainly seems to make more sense

2803
04:09:52,950 --> 04:09:56,010
to spend the money on a new structure

2804
04:09:56,630 --> 04:10:01,870
than to spend the money refurbishing a 75-year-old structure.

2805
04:10:02,470 --> 04:10:04,430
I'm just amazed at the time durations.

2806
04:10:06,070 --> 04:10:08,110
I mean, the Hoover Dam was built in five years,

2807
04:10:08,610 --> 04:10:10,930
and we're talking about over three years here

2808
04:10:10,930 --> 04:10:20,130
to put in place a pre-fabricated unit and located on sites on just amazed by the durations that we're

2809
04:10:20,130 --> 04:10:25,490
talking about here. I think the comments that were made by J. Mates Sense would probably

2810
04:10:25,490 --> 04:10:30,710
will need additional staff at some point in time in the future and it's better to do it now

2811
04:10:30,710 --> 04:10:34,910
into weight weight or when it's going to cost more and it's going to be more inconvenient. So

2812
04:10:34,910 --> 04:10:40,290
if the council was interested in doing it, my recommendation would be to go with the new pre-fabricated

2813
04:10:40,290 --> 04:10:46,550
to build it on a more expedited schedule. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody online?

2814
04:10:47,370 --> 04:10:48,650
Carol, Godlip.

2815
04:10:58,680 --> 04:11:01,640
Carol, you have the ability to unmute your microphone.

2816
04:11:06,080 --> 04:11:07,060
Doesn't seem like she's responding.

2817
04:11:09,200 --> 04:11:18,140
Okay, I guess we'll bring it back to council. And the request from council is to give the

2818
04:11:18,140 --> 04:11:23,560
the staff direction, provide staff the direction.

2819
04:11:25,820 --> 04:11:27,800
So any recommendations,

2820
04:11:30,280 --> 04:11:32,520
option two, you want to make that motion?

2821
04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:38,600
I had a comment, because you know, I generally am the one who, let's build it, let's

2822
04:11:38,600 --> 04:11:40,280
not kick the can down the road.

2823
04:11:40,460 --> 04:11:46,680
And I would say in terms of preparation, I kind of wish we had that we're speculating on

2824
04:11:46,680 --> 04:11:49,620
structural aspect of this building here.

2825
04:11:49,780 --> 04:11:52,820
And so I think my best instinct would be to say,

2826
04:11:52,960 --> 04:11:55,420
let's go confirm how bad it is.

2827
04:11:56,000 --> 04:11:59,880
But on the other hand, I'm actually a little flexible here,

2828
04:11:59,880 --> 04:12:03,400
because I'm liking option 2.

2829
04:12:03,880 --> 04:12:08,180
And I would say if it's $100,000 to make it look snazzy,

2830
04:12:08,520 --> 04:12:10,420
if that's the right word, I would do that.

2831
04:12:11,400 --> 04:12:14,540
So in terms of the finishing option.

2832
04:12:14,540 --> 04:12:19,500
So, I think I'm ready as I puzzle over this to say,

2833
04:12:21,580 --> 04:12:29,820
yeah, I think it's an old building and let's go with a new one and let's go for some nicer finishes.

2834
04:12:35,130 --> 04:12:36,570
So, is there a motion?

2835
04:12:37,070 --> 04:12:38,910
Oh, it standard you have something?

2836
04:12:39,730 --> 04:12:43,130
How does it kind of move that we should go with option two?

2837
04:12:46,790 --> 04:12:58,510
May I offer an amendment to that, which is to see if we can cut down on the timeline because it does seem fairly drawn out. It's a three-year project.

2838
04:12:59,090 --> 04:13:03,650
This is estimated and I'm sure we could take a look and see what we can do.

2839
04:13:04,410 --> 04:13:12,490
Okay, so with that, let's just say a Pro option 2 and ask staff to try and compress the timeline.

2840
04:13:12,490 --> 04:13:18,990
and ask staff to reduce the cost to reduce both the timeline and the cost.

2841
04:13:20,630 --> 04:13:22,610
Okay, so that's the motion, is that right?

2842
04:13:23,030 --> 04:13:23,090
Okay.

2843
04:13:23,690 --> 04:13:28,330
Mayor, if I can just clarify it's the direction to staff not actually approve the project.

2844
04:13:28,950 --> 04:13:30,370
That's right.

2845
04:13:31,910 --> 04:13:34,510
We are proving the project onto it.

2846
04:13:34,670 --> 04:13:34,870
We are.

2847
04:13:35,470 --> 04:13:37,350
We're actually choosing an option.

2848
04:13:37,930 --> 04:13:39,150
We haven't got it.

2849
04:13:39,330 --> 04:13:40,570
Yeah, we're just requesting that.

2850
04:13:42,950 --> 04:13:52,490
So we're choosing option to, and asking staff to review the cost and the schedule and come back with improved cost and schedule numbers as possible.

2851
04:13:54,310 --> 04:14:04,050
So Mayor, I think we were approaching we are coming to Council because we had a stage where we probably should issue an RFP to get a design team on board.

2852
04:14:04,050 --> 04:14:08,670
And once we have a design team, we'll have a better idea on cost and even schedule.

2853
04:14:09,230 --> 04:14:14,710
The reason why it's like three years plus is because of the planning process and we don't know

2854
04:14:14,710 --> 04:14:18,470
a kind of community feedback and other kind of input that we may get.

2855
04:14:19,010 --> 04:14:23,090
And so that's the reason we put a little more buffer in there, but we'll obviously spend time

2856
04:14:23,090 --> 04:14:26,370
to make it shorter and more cost-effective.

2857
04:14:27,970 --> 04:14:31,830
But we will have to, next step, we'll be to hire a consultant.

2858
04:14:32,610 --> 04:14:40,430
We will have to issue an RFV and at that time I think it's going to be over 60, so we'll come back to council at that time to further discuss.

2859
04:14:41,550 --> 04:14:43,830
All right, add that to the motion.

2860
04:14:45,030 --> 04:14:47,610
You're just clarifying or do you just clarifying?

2861
04:14:48,250 --> 04:14:48,430
Okay.

2862
04:14:48,970 --> 04:14:55,890
All right, so we have a motion to approve option 2 and to review the schedule in the cost.

2863
04:14:56,670 --> 04:14:57,590
We have a second.

2864
04:14:57,590 --> 04:14:58,210
In a second.

2865
04:15:00,050 --> 04:15:15,110
We should go ahead. Councilmember Mark? Yes. Councilmember Swan? Yes. Councilmember Tanka? Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson? Yes. Mayor Patasia? Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor and council.

2866
04:15:16,990 --> 04:15:29,070
Thank you. Okay, the next item on the agenda's public hearings. And I guess the first part that is X-party contacts policy disclosure.

2867
04:15:30,030 --> 04:15:32,470
any exparty context?

2868
04:15:35,330 --> 04:15:35,490
No.

2869
04:15:37,470 --> 04:15:37,690
Okay.

2870
04:15:38,230 --> 04:15:38,870
Seeing none.

2871
04:15:39,830 --> 04:15:40,610
Item 70.

2872
04:15:41,730 --> 04:15:42,790
Is there a staff report?

2873
04:15:47,010 --> 04:15:47,610
Yes, Mayor.

2874
04:15:48,550 --> 04:15:49,790
Starting here shortly.

2875
04:16:05,880 --> 04:16:06,540
Good evening, Mayor.

2876
04:16:06,940 --> 04:16:07,560
Vice Mayor.

2877
04:16:07,760 --> 04:16:08,380
And council members.

2878
04:16:08,640 --> 04:16:10,860
We'll be taking a look at the

2879
04:16:10,860 --> 04:16:14,100
Conditional Use Permit request for St. Nicholas Catholic School.

2880
04:16:14,780 --> 04:16:18,720
This follows the Planning Commission's recommendation for approval

2881
04:16:18,720 --> 04:16:21,700
received on December 4th of last year.

2882
04:16:24,740 --> 04:16:30,580
We just have a concise presentation for you this evening because we've received that recommendation of approval.

2883
04:16:31,620 --> 04:16:34,280
So here's the scenario of the site. We have the St. Nicholas School.

2884
04:16:36,060 --> 04:16:41,280
That road on the top of the screen. You can see my cursor hovering is El Monte Road.

2885
04:16:41,520 --> 04:16:44,960
We have the driveway leading into the parking lots.

2886
04:16:44,960 --> 04:16:53,400
We have the administration building and library, which will be the focus of this conditional use permit requests and also just for a context.

2887
04:16:53,580 --> 04:17:00,840
We have classrooms here and the parish hall, which is to the north of the administration building.

2888
04:17:03,000 --> 04:17:09,660
The scope of this conditional use permit is to construct a 1,088 square foot addition to the administration building.

2889
04:17:09,660 --> 04:17:16,000
remodel the administration building which includes interior and exterior modifications and to

2890
04:17:16,000 --> 04:17:20,120
restripe the parking lot resulting in one additional parking space.

2891
04:17:22,220 --> 04:17:23,580
Here is the enlarged site plan

2892
04:17:23,580 --> 04:17:28,580
so on the bottom of the page here we have the parking lot that's going to be restriped to add that

2893
04:17:28,580 --> 04:17:35,300
additional parking space. We have the library we have the administration building which is shaded

2894
04:17:35,900 --> 04:17:41,960
noting that is the area that's going to be remodeled and in dashred we have the area of the

2895
04:17:41,960 --> 04:17:47,100
addition. You can see here that the area of the addition is internal to the site, it's in the

2896
04:17:47,100 --> 04:17:52,900
quad, it would not be visible from offsite surrounded by classrooms in administration building.

2897
04:17:54,840 --> 04:17:59,760
You also will look at the next slide but the page left is the parish hall for reference.

2898
04:18:02,260 --> 04:18:07,860
here are the proposed elevations. So along with the addition that's in the

2899
04:18:07,860 --> 04:18:11,900
quad that you cannot see in this front elevation, there's the exterior

2900
04:18:11,900 --> 04:18:16,440
remodeling, particularly the front entry, which is going to have an increase in

2901
04:18:16,440 --> 04:18:22,460
height as they change this roof form. So that entry is going to increase to

2902
04:18:22,460 --> 04:18:28,320
18 feet, which is well within the limits of the zoning and well below the

2903
04:18:28,320 --> 04:18:35,200
some building height that is there today. So, for reference, the Paris Hall would continue to be 26 feet tall.

2904
04:18:39,840 --> 04:18:45,180
I mentioned that this application received a recommendation or approval from the Planning Commission on December 4.

2905
04:18:45,920 --> 04:18:50,800
The Planning Commission in its approval, recommendation for approval, modified one condition.

2906
04:18:51,680 --> 04:19:02,460
So, as it's currently written in the CUP for St. Nicholas, every five years, the CUPs to be

2907
04:19:02,460 --> 04:19:08,480
St. Nicholas requested that that be changed from five to 15 years.

2908
04:19:09,080 --> 04:19:12,120
The planning commission found that 10 years would be more appropriate.

2909
04:19:12,740 --> 04:19:14,240
And so that's what's shown here on screen.

2910
04:19:14,520 --> 04:19:16,500
And that's what's reflected in the resolution.

2911
04:19:20,710 --> 04:19:23,790
The public notice went out again for this public hearing this evening

2912
04:19:23,790 --> 04:19:25,730
and no public comments were received.

2913
04:19:28,070 --> 04:19:31,190
With that staff recommends that the city council adopted a resolution

2914
04:19:31,190 --> 04:19:34,150
which is the attachment one to make a categorical exemption

2915
04:19:34,150 --> 04:19:39,450
under SQL, pursuant to section 1, 5, 301, and approve the conditional use permits subject

2916
04:19:39,450 --> 04:19:45,710
to conditions. That concludes the presentation. I'm here for questions, but also the reps of

2917
04:19:45,710 --> 04:19:47,330
the school are here to give a short presentation.

2918
04:19:49,760 --> 04:19:53,960
Okay, welcome. Good evening. Thank you for giving

2919
04:19:53,960 --> 04:19:58,040
me a couple of minutes. I'm the architected record, John Miller.

2920
04:20:00,200 --> 04:20:02,240
I just want to explain kind of the

2921
04:20:02,240 --> 04:20:04,440
concept of what we're doing here.

2922
04:20:04,900 --> 04:20:07,820
This is our third or fourth project that we've

2923
04:20:07,820 --> 04:20:09,720
done in Los Altoos Hills over the years.

2924
04:20:10,660 --> 04:20:15,700
And this project is to improve the facility in six aspects.

2925
04:20:16,280 --> 04:20:17,360
One is accessibility.

2926
04:20:18,220 --> 04:20:19,520
Two is energy, efficiency.

2927
04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:25,320
Three is space layout for seismic and life safety.

2928
04:20:26,260 --> 04:20:31,720
And then we have a review of systems that are near the end

2929
04:20:31,720 --> 04:20:38,220
their life and of course the image of the school. It's a 55-year-old building. So our concept

2930
04:20:38,220 --> 04:20:45,140
is the building is really constrained and attached to other other buildings. So what we're doing

2931
04:20:45,140 --> 04:20:51,540
is basically stripping the building down to its wood frame, keeping the wood frame and the foundation,

2932
04:20:52,460 --> 04:21:00,440
and then adding, increasing the height of the roof for more mechanical systems, updating the facade,

2933
04:21:01,820 --> 04:21:05,500
We're adding to the footprint as staff set only in the courtyard.

2934
04:21:05,580 --> 04:21:09,020
You won't see it, you cannot see it from the street.

2935
04:21:09,600 --> 04:21:14,620
And then we're replacing the electrical HVAC windows, roofing,

2936
04:21:14,620 --> 04:21:16,700
siding, system like that.

2937
04:21:17,520 --> 04:21:22,060
And that's the concept of our program.

2938
04:21:22,760 --> 04:21:23,940
And that's all I have to say.

2939
04:21:24,760 --> 04:21:26,560
And I think I did less of six or six seconds.

2940
04:21:27,380 --> 04:21:28,980
Any questions from my point?

2941
04:21:30,840 --> 04:21:32,880
Got any questions from council?

2942
04:21:35,860 --> 04:21:36,120
Linda?

2943
04:21:37,860 --> 04:21:38,340
Okay.

2944
04:21:39,720 --> 04:21:45,740
Do we have anybody else from the school here or online?

2945
04:21:48,670 --> 04:21:51,140
No, I'm here.

2946
04:21:51,500 --> 04:21:53,740
I do see the up yet.

2947
04:21:54,540 --> 04:21:57,620
I'm going to promote Jan to a lot of speak.

2948
04:21:59,660 --> 04:22:00,940
Jan is the principal?

2949
04:22:01,480 --> 04:22:01,700
Yes.

2950
04:22:03,100 --> 04:22:03,900
Good evening.

2951
04:22:06,080 --> 04:22:06,960
Can you hear me okay?

2952
04:22:06,960 --> 04:22:11,340
Yes. Okay, everyone's so awake. Okay.

2953
04:22:15,360 --> 04:22:24,080
We have hopefully met all of the requirements for the public notifications.

2954
04:22:24,960 --> 04:22:28,220
We've really done a lot of outreach to our neighbors.

2955
04:22:29,080 --> 04:22:29,980
For them.

2956
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:38,820
To understand the projects and to welcome them and to walk the campus with us and to understand how to

2957
04:22:38,820 --> 04:22:53,440
What this impact is going to be. They have been really gracious with their support and we are looking forward to hopefully just

2958
04:22:53,440 --> 04:23:02,120
upgrading the accessibility of the bathrooms and having warm water for our faculty and a bathroom,

2959
04:23:02,700 --> 04:23:08,010
so there's some just basic needs that we're looking forward to having. So we appreciate your

2960
04:23:09,580 --> 04:23:10,740
support on this project.

2961
04:23:13,320 --> 04:23:16,980
Thank you. I had a couple of questions about just the school in general

2962
04:23:16,980 --> 04:23:19,300
if it's just a long line.

2963
04:23:19,640 --> 04:23:20,200
Yeah, sure.

2964
04:23:20,700 --> 04:23:23,680
Okay, so thank you for joining, I know it's late.

2965
04:23:24,460 --> 04:23:26,860
How many students do you have at the school

2966
04:23:26,860 --> 04:23:28,400
and how many faculty?

2967
04:23:30,220 --> 04:23:34,980
We have about 36 faculty and staff

2968
04:23:36,560 --> 04:23:44,660
and we have about 200 and 42, 45, you know students

2969
04:23:44,660 --> 04:23:46,460
been in on the day.

2970
04:23:48,680 --> 04:23:57,740
And at capacity we could be a 310 is our capacity for our single class

2971
04:23:57,740 --> 04:24:07,460
per grade. But we have in the history have never been that high. Our highest is typically

2972
04:24:07,460 --> 04:24:14,460
in the 275 range. So we intend to keep it in something like that.

2973
04:24:15,540 --> 04:24:16,640
And what grades?

2974
04:24:18,600 --> 04:24:20,120
TK through eighth.

2975
04:24:21,840 --> 04:24:22,040
Okay.

2976
04:24:22,960 --> 04:24:27,160
It looks like your buildings have passed applying commission.

2977
04:24:27,900 --> 04:24:29,800
So congratulations on getting past them.

2978
04:24:29,820 --> 04:24:33,880
And I think the 10 years is a good compromise for review.

2979
04:24:33,880 --> 04:24:36,780
I would like to make sure that we actually do that.

2980
04:24:37,640 --> 04:24:40,760
I think we dropped the ball on that a few times.

2981
04:24:42,160 --> 04:24:45,920
Is what's our mechanism for making sure that we review the CPUP?

2982
04:24:50,700 --> 04:24:53,280
We've created a condition on this permit tracking list.

2983
04:24:53,740 --> 04:24:57,920
So when we digitized our storage room,

2984
04:24:58,220 --> 04:24:59,700
we found all the old CPUPs,

2985
04:24:59,840 --> 04:25:01,060
we put them on a tracking sheet,

2986
04:25:01,420 --> 04:25:04,060
and we have the expiration dates for each.

2987
04:25:05,800 --> 04:25:06,160
All right.

2988
04:25:06,160 --> 04:25:08,920
any public comment?

2989
04:25:14,650 --> 04:25:19,690
I have no objections to the proposed changes.

2990
04:25:19,950 --> 04:25:25,290
I just would like to understand what the purpose of the CUP is and why it's appropriate

2991
04:25:25,290 --> 04:25:29,510
to go from five years to some other determination.

2992
04:25:30,810 --> 04:25:32,110
What's the purpose?

2993
04:25:32,510 --> 04:25:33,990
What will we suppose to review?

2994
04:25:34,330 --> 04:25:35,910
Why didn't we review it?

2995
04:25:35,970 --> 04:25:37,270
And why is changing it?

2996
04:25:37,430 --> 04:25:38,510
The right thing to do.

2997
04:25:38,510 --> 04:25:39,510
Thank you.

2998
04:25:40,590 --> 04:25:41,590
Oh, John.

2999
04:25:43,210 --> 04:25:43,350
Yes.

3000
04:25:43,350 --> 04:25:51,050
So there's an active CUP because it's zoned residential, residential agriculture, conditional

3001
04:25:51,050 --> 04:25:52,990
uses for our private school.

3002
04:25:53,870 --> 04:25:56,670
And so it's operating off of that existing CUP.

3003
04:25:57,090 --> 04:26:02,050
And every time that the school is going to come back with an addition, that would trigger

3004
04:26:02,050 --> 04:26:06,510
an amendment to the CUP because it's a change to what the city council has previously

3005
04:26:06,510 --> 04:26:07,130
approved.

3006
04:26:07,130 --> 04:26:14,530
Yeah, and I think the overall operation of the school is governed by the CUP, so there

3007
04:26:14,530 --> 04:26:25,430
are limits to the number of students, and to be able to verify that the instances of the

3008
04:26:25,430 --> 04:26:32,990
use are overly intense that would burden the neighbors, the town staff would go out to look

3009
04:26:32,990 --> 04:26:38,050
review to be able to make sure. And one of the things that we would notice that the school has

3010
04:26:38,050 --> 04:26:43,470
been a very good party when we've had instances with the neighbors to be able to rectify

3011
04:26:44,250 --> 04:26:51,430
and I think one of the other things that through this project we've learned is that the facilities

3012
04:26:51,430 --> 04:26:56,270
that we're talking about I think were originally designed for like maybe 10 people as opposed to the

3013
04:26:56,270 --> 04:27:01,690
30 people that they now currently have on staff. So as an aside to the previous comment.

3014
04:27:03,270 --> 04:27:06,790
All right, any other comments on Zoom?

3015
04:27:07,150 --> 04:27:07,470
No, no.

3016
04:27:07,850 --> 04:27:09,770
All right, I'll bring it back to council.

3017
04:27:11,190 --> 04:27:12,930
Any further questions or discussion?

3018
04:27:13,650 --> 04:27:14,310
I get a motion.

3019
04:27:17,560 --> 04:27:19,820
Yes, I'd be happy to make a motion.

3020
04:27:20,600 --> 04:27:29,680
I'm a move that we approve a resolution for the conditional use permit as noted in section 7A.

3021
04:27:30,440 --> 04:27:31,120
Salkan.

3022
04:27:31,800 --> 04:27:33,160
And the 10 year revealing?

3023
04:27:33,160 --> 04:27:40,180
thing. Yes, which is part of part of that's written there. Okay. Okay. Go ahead with the

3024
04:27:40,180 --> 04:27:43,600
roll call. Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swan.

3025
04:27:46,420 --> 04:27:50,460
Yes. Councilmember Tonka. Yes.

3026
04:27:50,860 --> 04:27:55,860
Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Mayor Patasia. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. So congratulations, sir.

3027
04:27:55,980 --> 04:28:01,880
And congratulations, Ms. Popolizio. We're we're happy to support your project.

3028
04:28:01,880 --> 04:28:10,520
I will ask that we had sent you a communication a while back to have a dialogue.

3029
04:28:10,800 --> 04:28:12,780
We'd be happy to spring for coffee or lunch.

3030
04:28:13,760 --> 04:28:18,320
Perhaps you could reach out and we'd be happy to meet with you just informally.

3031
04:28:18,700 --> 04:28:19,580
Thank you.

3032
04:28:19,740 --> 04:28:20,360
Well, did.

3033
04:28:23,240 --> 04:28:23,860
Thank you.

3034
04:28:29,700 --> 04:28:37,020
Moving on to item 7B resolution, well, first of all, thank you to the water folks for

3035
04:28:37,020 --> 04:28:43,800
saying this late, 7B is resolution approving a conditional use permit for upgrades to an existing

3036
04:28:43,800 --> 04:28:49,420
water storage in booster pump station and variants to the minimum 40 foot front and 30 foot

3037
04:28:49,420 --> 04:28:55,340
side setbacks for the installation of new booster pumps and concrete foundations. This station

3038
04:28:55,340 --> 04:29:06,380
is located assessors parcel number 17546004 adjacent to 1370 south Altalene lands of California water

3039
04:29:06,380 --> 04:29:13,760
service. Mr. Fox. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Another concise presentation as we're again

3040
04:29:14,540 --> 04:29:19,760
falling up on a planning commission recommendation for approval. This time for the CUP for the

3041
04:29:19,760 --> 04:29:21,360
Cal Water Site on South Alta.

3042
04:29:23,460 --> 04:29:31,060
Here is the GIS snippet of the neighborhood, so it's on South Alta,

3043
04:29:31,060 --> 04:29:38,140
which forks off of Altia road and properties highlight and red and you can tell there that

3044
04:29:38,140 --> 04:29:46,280
this site is substantially undersized compared to our usual one acre minimum. The exact acreage and

3045
04:29:46,280 --> 04:29:49,880
square footage is listed on this staff report, but it's substantially undersized.

3046
04:29:52,120 --> 04:29:52,920
Here's an aerial

3047
04:29:52,920 --> 04:29:59,960
and if you follow my cursor here you can make out the cow water site by the circular water

3048
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:10,260
Tank there, other equipment surrounded by vegetation, and surrounded by the the neighbor to the south's driveway, and all sides, south ought to land

3049
04:30:10,260 --> 04:30:11,760
front sit on the north side.

3050
04:30:13,940 --> 04:30:18,120
The cow water site, um, services, a total of 12 properties that encompass

3051
04:30:18,120 --> 04:30:23,740
Altierra, north Altia, and south Altia, and provides those properties with drinking water.

3052
04:30:26,500 --> 04:30:31,180
For those that are unfamiliar with the site, a couple of photos, photo on the left is taken on south

3053
04:30:31,180 --> 04:30:37,880
altar, looking south, west at an angle towards the site. So in this photo you can't make out

3054
04:30:37,880 --> 04:30:43,080
the water tank because it's being hidden by vegetation, right? Well, but you can make out the pressure

3055
04:30:43,080 --> 04:30:51,100
tank. Photo on the right is taking on south of, also looking directly south, straight onto the property.

3056
04:30:51,400 --> 04:30:57,220
And now you cannot see the water tank, but you can't see the water tank, but you cannot see the

3057
04:30:57,220 --> 04:30:59,580
the pressure tank is being screened by vegetation.

3058
04:31:03,380 --> 04:31:07,460
The scope of this conditional use permit is to remove

3059
04:31:07,460 --> 04:31:11,240
the pressure tank and pump house to install two booster pumps

3060
04:31:11,240 --> 04:31:14,500
and close each within a five-foot-tall fucic shelter

3061
04:31:14,970 --> 04:31:17,880
and a variance requests to the minimum 40-foot front

3062
04:31:17,880 --> 04:31:19,580
and 30-foot side setbacks.

3063
04:31:20,300 --> 04:31:24,340
So because the site is owned RA again,

3064
04:31:24,340 --> 04:31:26,520
like most of the properties in town,

3065
04:31:26,780 --> 04:31:28,860
cow waters operating off of a conditional use

3066
04:31:28,860 --> 04:31:30,480
to operate this public utilities.

3067
04:31:32,020 --> 04:31:35,400
Inverance is required because because the site is substantially

3068
04:31:35,400 --> 04:31:38,060
undersized, all of the existing equipment

3069
04:31:38,720 --> 04:31:39,900
is within the setback.

3070
04:31:40,140 --> 04:31:41,460
So it's completely non-conforming.

3071
04:31:42,100 --> 04:31:43,780
So the replacement of that equipment

3072
04:31:43,780 --> 04:31:45,380
is going to trigger a variance.

3073
04:31:48,730 --> 04:31:52,150
Here is the proposed site plan that is divided into three phases.

3074
04:31:52,590 --> 04:31:54,810
So going from left to right, phase one

3075
04:31:54,810 --> 04:31:56,790
is to demolish the pressure tank, which

3076
04:31:56,790 --> 04:32:00,410
is that equipment that is close to the street,

3077
04:32:00,410 --> 04:32:12,590
Phase two is to install the pumps and the acoustical shelter in the place of the pressure tank and the final phase is to remove the pump house which is closer to the water tank.

3078
04:32:15,500 --> 04:32:19,660
All those structures and pavement again is in the sepac.

3079
04:32:21,890 --> 04:32:24,930
The booster pumps would be housed within an acoustical shelter.

3080
04:32:24,930 --> 04:32:31,910
that are shown here, five-foot tall, and in the discussion we had at the Planning Commission,

3081
04:32:33,290 --> 04:32:38,710
CalWater asserted that based on the manufacturer's specifications for the pumps which do produce

3082
04:32:38,710 --> 04:32:45,110
noise, based on those specifications and that expectation and based on the Coastal shelter,

3083
04:32:45,690 --> 04:32:50,330
the noise that would be generated and the noise that would reach the property line would comply

3084
04:32:50,330 --> 04:32:52,430
with the towns noise limitations

3085
04:32:54,830 --> 04:32:58,190
mentioned that planning commission recommended approval at its

3086
04:32:58,190 --> 04:33:05,130
December 17th meeting it added two conditions of approval one as we follow up that conversation

3087
04:33:05,130 --> 04:33:10,970
on noise uh planning commission wanted to ensure that cow water measures the noise output when the

3088
04:33:10,970 --> 04:33:17,150
work is done and prior to the project being signed off and if it is found to exceed the towns noise

3089
04:33:17,150 --> 04:33:21,870
limitation that it would be cow water's responsibility for mitigation to bring it within

3090
04:33:21,870 --> 04:33:22,490
compliance.

3091
04:33:23,190 --> 04:33:29,650
The last condition is similar to St. Nicholas where the conditional use permit would be required

3092
04:33:29,650 --> 04:33:33,110
to go to Plynic and Michigan City Council every 10 years for a review.

3093
04:33:36,530 --> 04:33:41,910
This application was noticed all neighbors within 500 feet again for the tonight's City Council

3094
04:33:41,910 --> 04:33:44,170
meeting and no public comment was received.

3095
04:33:46,800 --> 04:33:51,160
With that staff recommends that the City Council adopt resolution, attachment one, to make

3096
04:33:51,160 --> 04:33:52,720
categorical exemption under SQL,

3097
04:33:52,800 --> 04:33:54,080
percent intersection one, five,

3098
04:33:54,220 --> 04:33:55,600
three, one, subsection B,

3099
04:33:56,020 --> 04:33:57,540
and approve the conditional use permit

3100
04:33:57,540 --> 04:33:59,320
and variance subject to conditions.

3101
04:33:59,980 --> 04:34:01,300
That concludes the presentation.

3102
04:34:01,720 --> 04:34:03,020
CalWaters here as well.

3103
04:34:03,340 --> 04:34:04,720
Okay, thank you.

3104
04:34:05,080 --> 04:34:08,760
Any comments from CalWaters that you want to share with us?

3105
04:34:10,060 --> 04:34:11,840
No, yes, though.

3106
04:34:12,640 --> 04:34:13,220
Okay.

3107
04:34:15,260 --> 04:34:20,480
Okay, there's any public comment or we...

3108
04:34:22,950 --> 04:34:26,770
No? They put their hand. Oh, they're very good again. Yes.

3109
04:34:30,740 --> 04:34:35,460
And it's staying down. They raised it and lowered it three times, but it is now staying down. Okay.

3110
04:34:36,580 --> 04:34:41,620
Should we bring it back to council? Any questions or comments from council?

3111
04:34:42,940 --> 04:34:50,340
I have a question. Can you when you say that this was published and you didn't get any

3112
04:34:51,100 --> 04:34:57,140
were the neighbors notified with a postcard or something to alert them to this because not everybody

3113
04:34:57,140 --> 04:35:04,760
looks at the notice on the down website. Each property with 500 feet gets a direct mailing.

3114
04:35:05,340 --> 04:35:06,540
Okay. And nobody responded?

3115
04:35:08,910 --> 04:35:13,470
No. Yeah, and we also post a yellow card on site. So that's that's very visible from

3116
04:35:13,470 --> 04:35:19,410
And okay, all right, so any motion, anybody like to make a motion?

3117
04:35:24,180 --> 04:35:24,200
Okay,

3118
04:35:26,440 --> 04:35:35,380
I will move to approve 7B resolution, approving a conditional use permit for

3119
04:35:35,860 --> 04:35:47,760
upgrades to an existing water storage and booster pump station and variants to the

3120
04:35:47,760 --> 04:35:53,140
setbacks for the installation of new booster pumps and concrete foundations.

3121
04:35:54,060 --> 04:36:00,900
This station is located at Google, whatever. So I'm all right. That's the motion and we add a second in advance.

3122
04:36:01,800 --> 04:36:06,120
Okay, we have a motion a second. Go ahead.

3123
04:36:06,440 --> 04:36:10,140
Councilmember Mark. Yes. Councilmember Swan. Yes.

3124
04:36:10,820 --> 04:36:12,180
Councilmember Tonka. Yes.

3125
04:36:12,500 --> 04:36:16,800
Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Vice Mayor Patija. Yes. Mayor Patija. Whatever.

3126
04:36:18,740 --> 04:36:20,540
Okay. Congratulations.

3127
04:36:23,600 --> 04:36:26,540
Thank you for being with us at this hour.

3128
04:36:27,460 --> 04:36:29,840
On to number eight new business.

3129
04:36:31,600 --> 04:36:33,320
City Council appoints appointments,

3130
04:36:33,400 --> 04:36:35,220
the standing committees and outside agencies.

3131
04:36:35,560 --> 04:36:39,480
So this is a big table.

3132
04:36:41,600 --> 04:36:45,920
And this was distributed to the council to get their preferred

3133
04:36:45,920 --> 04:36:52,720
appointments. So that's what the italicized text is. Some of these positions are designated by,

3134
04:36:52,720 --> 04:36:58,620
you know, if you have, if you are the mayor of the vice mayor, so that's with non-italicized text,

3135
04:36:59,140 --> 04:37:06,660
but we did our best to get everyone's request. And so that's what you see in the 2026 column. So this is

3136
04:37:06,660 --> 04:37:10,220
what you're reviewing. If you have any questions, staff is here.

3137
04:37:14,740 --> 04:37:16,900
Anybody want to propose any changes?

3138
04:37:22,540 --> 04:37:27,580
I'd like to be on the Santa Clara County Fitties Association, board.

3139
04:37:30,240 --> 04:37:38,620
May your talk was, took that last year because she was mayor and she said she wanted to do it.

3140
04:37:39,460 --> 04:37:43,760
So I would request to do it this year if that's okay.

3141
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:51,500
Sure, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about that.

3142
04:37:54,710 --> 04:37:56,250
Did you want to do it, Regent?

3143
04:37:58,290 --> 04:38:03,350
I'll tell me this is the one that's at 7 p.m. on the second Thursday, right?

3144
04:38:04,150 --> 04:38:12,250
Yeah, I was actually hoping to do that one, but I'm happy to trade one of the others with you if you'd like.

3145
04:38:13,290 --> 04:38:13,490
Right.

3146
04:38:13,530 --> 04:38:14,310
Water commission.

3147
04:38:16,350 --> 04:38:16,730
Water.

3148
04:38:17,190 --> 04:38:17,510
What's that?

3149
04:38:18,930 --> 04:38:19,410
What's that?

3150
04:38:19,410 --> 04:38:20,630
Is that person my hills?

3151
04:38:22,130 --> 04:38:24,850
No, that's the Santa Clara Valley water district.

3152
04:38:26,250 --> 04:38:26,850
Yeah.

3153
04:38:28,770 --> 04:38:28,810
Okay.

3154
04:38:30,290 --> 04:38:32,950
Not if you want that one, go ahead and do that one.

3155
04:38:35,100 --> 04:38:35,600
What do you mean by that?

3156
04:38:35,600 --> 04:38:36,560
Citizens Association.

3157
04:38:36,920 --> 04:38:39,000
You want that one?

3158
04:38:39,740 --> 04:38:39,960
Okay.

3159
04:38:40,760 --> 04:38:42,700
I will take that one.

3160
04:38:43,700 --> 04:38:45,020
Any other proposed changes?

3161
04:38:45,300 --> 04:38:47,760
I noticed the senior commission is blank.

3162
04:38:49,700 --> 04:38:53,080
And also VTA, but I don't know.

3163
04:38:53,600 --> 04:38:54,620
How much we do in VTA?

3164
04:38:54,620 --> 04:39:04,520
You know, both of those have been mine and I'm adding two things by Mayor, so for the first half of the year.

3165
04:39:05,860 --> 04:39:14,360
And the way I put it was I'd be happy to let somebody else take either or both of those.

3166
04:39:15,020 --> 04:39:17,100
Do we need somebody on those?

3167
04:39:17,100 --> 04:39:29,620
So the plan and the the the senior commission is is an important thing in the sense that we have two residents and then five of our town and then five residents from Palo Alto from

3168
04:39:29,620 --> 04:39:32,140
Los Alzos and then

3169
04:39:33,160 --> 04:39:40,120
The council member from each city as part of this monthly meeting first funder and so that's that's a

3170
04:39:40,120 --> 04:39:45,740
30. And then it meets something like 8 or 10 times a year. I would say approximately.

3171
04:39:45,900 --> 04:39:49,220
I just can't do that time. I have a standing board commitment.

3172
04:39:50,100 --> 04:39:55,540
It's alright. Okay. Stan will do the senior commission. Thank you, Stan. I'd like to give

3173
04:39:55,540 --> 04:40:02,320
up the water commission, because I think I've got enough other stuff. Is there somebody who'd

3174
04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:07,240
like to take that? It's not. It's a fourth Wednesday of the month.

3175
04:40:10,240 --> 04:40:11,360
I'm sorry.

3176
04:40:12,040 --> 04:40:13,140
But she was just specified.

3177
04:40:13,140 --> 04:40:14,300
I did that one quarter.

3178
04:40:15,120 --> 04:40:15,620
Every quarter.

3179
04:40:15,840 --> 04:40:17,000
So I could do that one.

3180
04:40:18,880 --> 04:40:18,920
Great.

3181
04:40:21,520 --> 04:40:22,720
And then the the other thing.

3182
04:40:22,840 --> 04:40:26,980
There is a VT policy advisory group, which I've done for the last two years.

3183
04:40:27,420 --> 04:40:31,860
It meets monthly and they often struggle to get quorum.

3184
04:40:32,100 --> 04:40:35,420
So I've been actually quite good at attending.

3185
04:40:36,360 --> 04:40:37,180
It's a.

3186
04:40:37,180 --> 04:40:46,260
I always make it remote and I meet and I do it here. So I don't go to the San Jose because I remember I think I did it one time, too.

3187
04:40:47,440 --> 04:40:47,960
Yeah.

3188
04:40:48,860 --> 04:40:50,420
And when is that?

3189
04:40:50,720 --> 04:40:51,500
It's on Thursday.

3190
04:40:51,840 --> 04:40:54,140
Thursday the month once and one for PM.

3191
04:40:54,940 --> 04:40:56,420
And then the other one is second.

3192
04:40:56,860 --> 04:40:58,660
The advisory committee's second Wednesday.

3193
04:40:58,740 --> 04:41:00,620
Oh, they're two of them.

3194
04:41:00,760 --> 04:41:02,300
Yeah, second Thursday for you.

3195
04:41:02,300 --> 04:41:05,120
You know what? That that bottom one.

3196
04:41:05,120 --> 04:41:12,040
I don't think that. Nobody ever attends it, as far as I know. And I can do it.

3197
04:41:12,040 --> 04:41:17,940
Okay, thank you. On Zoom, right? Okay.

3198
04:41:19,620 --> 04:41:23,860
You can attend remotely and Erica does it for me.

3199
04:41:27,240 --> 04:41:28,880
Okay? Okay. Are we good?

3200
04:41:30,750 --> 04:41:35,750
Would you set it to us where we have it? Do we need a motion or a turning line?

3201
04:41:35,750 --> 04:41:41,790
Yes. To approve the assignments. Okay.

3202
04:41:44,010 --> 04:41:50,230
I'll move to approve the standing committees and outside agencies for 2026 as proposed.

3203
04:41:51,980 --> 04:41:52,260
Second.

3204
04:41:54,550 --> 04:41:56,410
Okay. We have motion in a second.

3205
04:41:56,690 --> 04:42:00,850
Council member Mark. Yes. Council member Swan. Yes.

3206
04:42:01,570 --> 04:42:06,950
Council member Tanka. Yes. Vice Mayor Tyson. Yes. Mayor Beteja. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

3207
04:42:06,950 --> 04:42:21,610
Thank you. Moving on to 8B. Resolution approving an eligible project option for the Silicon Valley Clean Energy Grant application and authorizing the city manager to execute the grant agreement.

3208
04:42:28,760 --> 04:42:45,000
Good evening again, Mayor and Council. I'm here also to discuss that eligible project options for the Silicon Valley Clean Energy grant, otherwise known as SVCE grant.

3209
04:42:46,280 --> 04:42:55,540
So who is SVCE? They are a nonprofit public agency and they provide communities with electricity

3210
04:42:55,540 --> 04:43:05,400
from renewable and carbon-free sources at competitive rates. Their goals include addressing climate

3211
04:43:05,400 --> 04:43:11,720
change at the local level, accelerating the transition to renewable energy statewide and

3212
04:43:11,720 --> 04:43:17,720
reinvesting in the community through customer programs and services as well as grants, which

3213
04:43:17,720 --> 04:43:21,860
we're going to talk about today, scholarships and sponsorships.

3214
04:43:24,460 --> 04:43:26,960
So SVCE is currently holding

3215
04:43:26,960 --> 04:43:32,940
a non-competitive grant program. There was 3.5 million of access revenues distributed

3216
04:43:32,940 --> 04:43:42,760
among 13 member agencies. The deadline currently to apply is February 13th of 26. Sorry,

3217
04:43:42,760 --> 04:43:45,800
That's a typo, sorry for Jay.

3218
04:43:46,600 --> 04:43:53,720
And then the amount allocated to our town

3219
04:43:53,720 --> 04:43:57,640
if we apply based off their qualifications

3220
04:43:58,400 --> 04:44:05,980
is 155,738, 38, 36 dollars, sorry.

3221
04:44:06,080 --> 04:44:07,900
My glasses need a better prescription.

3222
04:44:09,140 --> 04:44:12,400
Okay, qualifications for the non-competitive grant

3223
04:44:12,400 --> 04:44:19,540
fleet electrification, so something that the town really considers facility electrification,

3224
04:44:20,160 --> 04:44:28,520
so like heat pumps, facility and fleet resilience, so battery storage, back up battery,

3225
04:44:28,800 --> 04:44:34,780
things like that, decarb demonstrations, so any of the above examples with a community engagement

3226
04:44:34,780 --> 04:44:39,900
aspect to it and then innovative community engagement, so community needs assessment,

3227
04:44:41,620 --> 04:44:43,520
things of that nature.

3228
04:44:46,170 --> 04:44:51,620
Okay, so the option one that we're in another thing just kind of in addition to this,

3229
04:44:52,750 --> 04:44:59,850
SVCE would like to choose us to choose a project that already is going to get started soon and that we can.

3230
04:45:00,660 --> 04:45:23,180
A point about it in a timeline too, because we will need to provide that information to them. So we selected projects that are already going to get started or need to get started or have been planned to get started. So here's option one, which is the purchase of two electric light duty trucks. So in fiscal year 2526.

3231
04:45:24,300 --> 04:45:31,260
In the adopted operating and capital budget, the vehicle and equipment replacement, CIP was approved.

3232
04:45:31,800 --> 04:45:35,500
The annual budget for that was 100k over the next five years.

3233
04:45:35,740 --> 04:45:45,340
The goal of that was to replace aging vehicles and equipment and to kind of go with the town's climate action plan goals for green fleet.

3234
04:45:46,240 --> 04:45:53,580
The total cost of option one would be $160,000 with each truck being at $80,000.

3235
04:45:53,920 --> 04:46:02,260
We're looking to procure the first truck in Q2 of 2026 and the second truck in Q2 of 2027.

3236
04:46:03,140 --> 04:46:09,700
Just as a side note, the town is also working separately with SVCE for new charging stations

3237
04:46:09,700 --> 04:46:18,640
at the corp yard and the design is anticipated for that by spring of 2026 and then option number

3238
04:46:18,640 --> 04:46:26,900
two, the town hall and council chambers, each fact electrification upgrade. So the adopted

3239
04:46:26,900 --> 04:46:34,040
operating capital budget includes a new CIP for town facilities, energy efficiency, which evaluates

3240
04:46:34,040 --> 04:46:40,960
the town buildings and recommends energy saving measures. The HVAC systems will also be

3241
04:46:40,960 --> 04:46:48,440
for energy efficiency with Council Direction Town staff can begin Town Hall and Council Chambers,

3242
04:46:48,700 --> 04:46:55,560
each VAC upgrade separate from the town facilities energy efficiency CIP staff could propose

3243
04:46:55,560 --> 04:47:10,300
a new CIP as part of the FY2627 budget and if approved the timeline is in this table. So the total

3244
04:47:10,300 --> 04:47:17,160
estimated and so the funds would help cover that cost and we're looking to complete construction

3245
04:47:17,160 --> 04:47:26,380
of that by Q4 of 2027. We will need to reimburse the costs by December of 2028. I just wanted

3246
04:47:26,380 --> 04:47:29,500
to mention that although it's not in the slide.

3247
04:47:32,670 --> 04:47:35,230
And then the staff recommendation is to

3248
04:47:35,230 --> 04:47:41,150
approve an eligible project option. One option too for the Silicon Valley Clean Energy Grant

3249
04:47:41,150 --> 04:47:47,970
application and authorize the city manager to execute the grant agreement with Silicon Valley clean energy.

3250
04:47:50,110 --> 04:47:51,970
Thank you, Ms. Lain.

3251
04:47:54,230 --> 04:47:59,730
Anybody in here for public comments looks like we have somebody from the EIC.

3252
04:48:05,640 --> 04:48:07,740
Hi, I was talking very slowly.

3253
04:48:12,540 --> 04:48:29,740
I am from the ESE but I'll speak for myself. The ESE did look at this at our last meeting but at the time we thought we were approving a whole suite of potential things we could spend the money on we didn't know we had to pick one or two.

3254
04:48:29,740 --> 04:48:36,960
So, anyway, speaking for myself, choose Town Hall electrification,

3255
04:48:39,060 --> 04:48:41,120
not the electric trucks.

3256
04:48:43,240 --> 04:48:47,760
Very first time I met Vujie five years ago, or whenever he started, my question was,

3257
04:48:47,940 --> 04:48:49,640
how soon can we electrify Town Hall?

3258
04:48:50,320 --> 04:48:56,180
This has been on our list for five years, six years, it keeps getting put off, put off.

3259
04:48:56,180 --> 04:49:00,120
So if somebody's giving us money to do it, let's take it and do it.

3260
04:49:00,820 --> 04:49:02,880
The moment we do that,

3261
04:49:05,280 --> 04:49:14,530
the city municipal greenhouse gas emissions will go down as far as we can take it.

3262
04:49:14,810 --> 04:49:22,830
Because after that it will all be up to employee commutes and police use of gas and things that are not really under our control.

3263
04:49:22,830 --> 04:49:29,870
So we have a chance here to get it down to us and blow us, we can do it.

3264
04:49:29,990 --> 04:49:33,810
So just do it. Our traps are diesel, we use renewable diesel already.

3265
04:49:35,850 --> 04:49:40,930
So if we have to delay the electrification of the truck, that's okay in my opinion.

3266
04:49:41,830 --> 04:49:51,550
But the HRAC has been pending for a long time. And also we require all our residents to do electrical HRAC if they touch it.

3267
04:49:51,550 --> 04:50:00,030
And yet here we are burning gas in console chambers, just not a good look, so somebody's paying us to do it. Let's do it. Thank you.

3268
04:50:00,110 --> 04:50:01,550
Thank you.

3269
04:50:02,430 --> 04:50:04,290
No, they're coming. It's on Tim.

3270
04:50:06,210 --> 04:50:08,690
Did you have anything further or just ready for questions?

3271
04:50:08,930 --> 04:50:11,330
Ready for direction or questions?

3272
04:50:11,710 --> 04:50:12,470
All right.

3273
04:50:12,850 --> 04:50:16,270
I'll bring it back to council. Any questions or comments from council?

3274
04:50:16,730 --> 04:50:16,950
Stan?

3275
04:50:17,710 --> 04:50:18,310
Yes, Stan.

3276
04:50:18,310 --> 04:50:23,970
what we're going to do some work on the furnace that we have in the other room

3277
04:50:25,290 --> 04:50:32,130
we're going to repair it or we're talking about replacing it also oh yes so

3278
04:50:32,750 --> 04:50:38,090
there were two systems that we talked about back in December 9th the heat pump system we got

3279
04:50:38,090 --> 04:50:46,410
to replace we'll talk about that at the next step report I am but the gas furnace system that

3280
04:50:46,410 --> 04:50:53,910
service the lobby area. We got a service for $2,000. So I know it's an old system,

3281
04:50:55,230 --> 04:51:01,990
but generally the furnace system seems to be more open for servicing and repair.

3282
04:51:02,390 --> 04:51:08,910
And so it's working now. So there's two gas furnace systems in town hall. And there's three

3283
04:51:08,910 --> 04:51:17,450
furnaces for the the council chambers so those would be all up for electrification

3284
04:51:17,450 --> 04:51:27,880
if needed to be or if directed by council hey did you mention town hall the chamber

3285
04:51:27,880 --> 04:51:38,560
for the back so town hall there's two systems that's gas furnaces gas

3286
04:51:39,820 --> 04:51:45,660
and in chambers, we have three furnace units that could be upgraded to electric.

3287
04:51:47,320 --> 04:51:50,440
Any idea of how much that would cost?

3288
04:51:51,220 --> 04:51:51,800
Approximately.

3289
04:51:53,300 --> 04:51:57,720
So what we're saying in Option 2, I believe this is just,

3290
04:51:57,720 --> 04:51:59,600
Wait, it's Town Hall and Council chambers.

3291
04:52:00,420 --> 04:52:03,280
So we're saying that will be from 350.

3292
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:06,920
There will be some engineering service needed building permits and all that.

3293
04:52:06,920 --> 04:52:08,840
and probably have to be a bit it out.

3294
04:52:08,980 --> 04:52:10,300
That is for both.

3295
04:52:11,000 --> 04:52:13,020
Both buildings, yes.

3296
04:52:13,960 --> 04:52:14,760
Thank you.

3297
04:52:17,250 --> 04:52:18,130
Any other questions?

3298
04:52:20,820 --> 04:52:21,660
I had a question.

3299
04:52:22,540 --> 04:52:25,080
So, you give us these two very different options.

3300
04:52:25,340 --> 04:52:29,660
One is for the trucks and one is for the HVAC in both town hall.

3301
04:52:30,000 --> 04:52:41,860
The council chambers. And it sounds like your option two numbers are not complete because you're alluded to some design and engineering costs and permitting. Right.

3302
04:52:42,660 --> 04:52:55,400
We kind of factor that in kind of fact, but yeah again, an option to we don't really have a project yet on our work plan or in our CIP budget, but so it's something that we kind of.

3303
04:52:55,400 --> 04:53:02,400
So does your estimate the total cost or is it some part of the total cost?

3304
04:53:05,520 --> 04:53:08,540
Yeah, I kind of thinking about it again.

3305
04:53:08,800 --> 04:53:10,800
The estimate might be on the low side.

3306
04:53:12,600 --> 04:53:22,840
But knowing that one system, we have three HVAC system in town hall and to do one system to place

3307
04:53:22,840 --> 04:53:30,240
was about $150,000. So we have two systems that we still got an update but I was looking for ways to

3308
04:53:30,240 --> 04:53:37,180
see if we could combine some of those zones and systems like looking at options like how we did,

3309
04:53:37,380 --> 04:53:43,120
I'll go over that in my update but we are able to put in many split systems for the electric heat pump

3310
04:53:43,780 --> 04:53:50,640
zone one that we talked about last time so I think there may be some opportunities but yeah I do

3311
04:53:50,640 --> 04:53:55,920
have to admit that this is probably on the low side, we'll have to factor in engineering costs

3312
04:53:55,920 --> 04:54:00,740
for them to pair of plans and specs for us to get it out to bid. So definitely more

3313
04:54:01,820 --> 04:54:03,720
350k and outside.

3314
04:54:06,290 --> 04:54:12,430
So I'm guessing it's going to be closer to four or more. That might

3315
04:54:12,430 --> 04:54:23,950
you say for estimate, yes, all right. Any thoughts from the city manager on the two options

3316
04:54:23,950 --> 04:54:30,590
before us? They've seen very different in terms of cost and also in terms of, you know,

3317
04:54:30,590 --> 04:54:37,690
kind of options here. If you're talking about staff lift, I know that I heard that option one

3318
04:54:37,690 --> 04:54:44,050
is the easier application, it is easier project to implement, there is merit that we do keep

3319
04:54:44,050 --> 04:54:46,370
kicking option two down the road.

3320
04:54:50,800 --> 04:54:53,440
It's really up to the council's discretion. I will say

3321
04:54:53,440 --> 04:54:58,940
though that's I've heard from staff recommendation, option one is more favorable, it's easier,

3322
04:54:59,300 --> 04:55:04,100
it's less thinking, it's more easier to implement, it's shorter, it's things to consider.

3323
04:55:04,940 --> 04:55:12,480
What's the, what's the condition of the diesel trucks that we have right now or the serviceable

3324
04:55:12,480 --> 04:55:13,060
option?

3325
04:55:14,080 --> 04:55:17,960
Yeah, I mean, we've been reporting out since last year that it's not the diesel trucks.

3326
04:55:18,200 --> 04:55:23,680
It's the light duty trucks that's gasoline trucks we have and those at least two of them

3327
04:55:23,680 --> 04:55:25,900
have to be replaced at the next year or two.

3328
04:55:26,460 --> 04:55:33,440
So we were going to replace one truck this year but we had a need for a new chipper and so with

3329
04:55:33,440 --> 04:55:39,340
equipment replacement CIP that we have 400,000 a year. We may have to use that money for the

3330
04:55:39,340 --> 04:55:45,640
Chipper, which means the truck will be delayed in a year. And it's corrected both of the vehicles

3331
04:55:45,640 --> 04:55:50,800
are past their replacement due to it and compliance with their policy. Correct. Yeah, we have a vehicle

3332
04:55:50,800 --> 04:55:56,360
and equipment replacement policy both of them are past the day. And so if we did that, then we would

3333
04:55:56,360 --> 04:56:02,620
kick the can down on option to even further. Well, there is, again, as Melissa mentioned,

3334
04:56:02,620 --> 04:56:09,340
there is an energy efficiency Ccip and that's actually in the books. And to that it will actually

3335
04:56:09,340 --> 04:56:15,300
look at what might be the optimal optimal solution to electrified these two buildings. So there

3336
04:56:15,300 --> 04:56:23,520
will be another opportunity that's on the CIP right now. So, but if option 2 is picked, then

3337
04:56:23,520 --> 04:56:29,200
staff could just move forward with that study for these two buildings or look at electrifying it.

3338
04:56:29,200 --> 04:56:34,100
And this needs to be completed by December 2028, right?

3339
04:56:34,420 --> 04:56:38,020
The check needs to be dispersed by then, or the project needs to be completed by then.

3340
04:56:38,960 --> 04:56:44,240
So basically the work that we're applying to be reimbursed needs to be fully paid out,

3341
04:56:44,320 --> 04:56:48,900
so we can submit our reimbursement application by 2028.

3342
04:56:49,080 --> 04:56:50,800
Correct, December of 2020.

3343
04:56:51,680 --> 04:56:53,060
Yeah, I can't comment.

3344
04:56:54,140 --> 04:56:58,400
So, frankly, I think we should do both of these things.

3345
04:56:58,400 --> 04:57:04,140
and so if there's a question about kicking the can down the road, that's on us. Okay, if we

3346
04:57:04,140 --> 04:57:08,700
think this is important then we should do that. I will say generally philosophically when you're

3347
04:57:08,700 --> 04:57:13,460
applying for grants or other organizations, you want to make sure that grant is going to qualify

3348
04:57:13,460 --> 04:57:17,580
that you're going to get the money and you're going to spend it, you're going to be done,

3349
04:57:17,700 --> 04:57:25,180
you're going to close it out. So I actually appreciate what Anon said about number two is the

3350
04:57:25,180 --> 04:57:30,240
strategic thing and I I would like to do that not kick that down the road but I kind of like

3351
04:57:30,240 --> 04:57:36,320
option one for the purpose of our just meeting the grant and closing that out and then would do

3352
04:57:36,320 --> 04:57:42,210
this number two on our dime. But don't we have two years to do this if you did option two?

3353
04:57:44,080 --> 04:57:49,620
She says this feels a little fuzzier than I would like okay to say okay here's what the

3354
04:57:49,620 --> 04:57:58,460
because who knows, I can tell you, one of my heat pumps is stopped working and the initial thing was 16 weeks to get the parts.

3355
04:57:58,940 --> 04:58:06,200
Okay, so I'm just going to say things aren't always as simple as they look from where we're sitting.

3356
04:58:07,360 --> 04:58:12,420
Can we separate the option to project into two portions?

3357
04:58:12,420 --> 04:58:21,580
question A and question B. So it's like maybe 200 piece and then actually we can have both

3358
04:58:21,580 --> 04:58:29,760
of those paid for if you have that CIP conditional funding plus the credit here.

3359
04:58:30,180 --> 04:58:37,800
The energy efficiency CIP is just to run a study and audit of the facilities and it would

3360
04:58:37,800 --> 04:58:44,220
to come up from town's funding, most of that regional fund, or facility replacement?

3361
04:58:46,240 --> 04:58:53,920
Good, Linda. Which one is more urgent as far as getting it done? It sounds like the trucks

3362
04:58:53,920 --> 04:59:01,860
are over past the standard replacement time, but that doesn't mean they are breaking down or getting

3363
04:59:01,860 --> 04:59:09,260
near the end of their life. Whereas this HVAC system is at near the end of its life and we really

3364
04:59:09,260 --> 04:59:10,860
something we should do immediately.

3365
04:59:13,340 --> 04:59:17,660
My answer that our maintenance superintendent said, I believe

3366
04:59:17,660 --> 04:59:24,480
it's the Dodge, the light duty truck. We don't drive that on the highway because it is

3367
04:59:24,480 --> 04:59:29,300
a freight of the transmission. So there are trucks that probably need to be replaced quickly.

3368
04:59:29,300 --> 04:59:36,500
Okay, okay, so it's not just it's past that's scheduled time. It has major problems. Okay.

3369
04:59:36,900 --> 04:59:45,880
So I I'll move to approve the trucks option one. I guess it's really in direction or are we approving?

3370
04:59:48,500 --> 04:59:57,260
Yeah, it's a motion to adopt the resolution and if just is just option one than the resolution would be modified to just include option one.

3371
04:59:57,260 --> 04:59:59,980
And I'm sorry, it's also to authorize

3372
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:03,820
The city manager to enter into a grant agreement with SVC.

3373
05:00:04,020 --> 05:00:06,680
Can we see the resolution it will, it has that.

3374
05:00:06,680 --> 05:00:07,020
Okay.

3375
05:00:07,280 --> 05:00:07,640
As well.

3376
05:00:07,820 --> 05:00:08,680
So is right here.

3377
05:00:09,100 --> 05:00:18,840
Yeah. I would move to approve the option one for the grant application and authorize the city manager to actually use the grant agreement with Silicon Valley clean energy.

3378
05:00:19,560 --> 05:00:22,860
But let's not push on option two.

3379
05:00:23,180 --> 05:00:27,000
Let's get moving on that this year.

3380
05:00:27,000 --> 05:00:27,740
Welcome.

3381
05:00:32,040 --> 05:00:33,480
Councilmember Malk?

3382
05:00:33,540 --> 05:00:34,340
No.

3383
05:00:35,300 --> 05:00:36,700
Councilmember Swan?

3384
05:00:38,020 --> 05:00:38,200
Yes.

3385
05:00:39,060 --> 05:00:40,040
Councilmember Tonka?

3386
05:00:40,880 --> 05:00:40,900
Yes.

3387
05:00:41,360 --> 05:00:42,140
Vice Mayor Tyson?

3388
05:00:42,220 --> 05:00:42,560
Yes.

3389
05:00:42,820 --> 05:00:43,440
Mayor Patasia?

3390
05:00:43,760 --> 05:00:44,020
Yes.

3391
05:00:44,160 --> 05:00:44,760
Thank you, Mayor.

3392
05:00:46,500 --> 05:00:47,540
Thank you, Councilmember.

3393
05:00:48,560 --> 05:00:49,180
Thank you.

3394
05:00:49,460 --> 05:00:49,760
Good night.

3395
05:00:51,740 --> 05:00:52,440
Okay.

3396
05:00:54,780 --> 05:00:59,580
Next item is a...

3397
05:00:59,580 --> 05:01:02,880
a townwide community survey, at our committee.

3398
05:01:03,540 --> 05:01:04,420
You did that.

3399
05:01:04,540 --> 05:01:05,500
Oh, sorry.

3400
05:01:06,180 --> 05:01:07,580
I skipped, it's C.

3401
05:01:08,020 --> 05:01:12,260
Review an update of the town's mayoral rotation policy, and I proposed that item.

3402
05:01:14,120 --> 05:01:22,100
I think we have a fairly good rotation policy, but I think as we have seen in a couple

3403
05:01:22,100 --> 05:01:27,660
of instances, there are some gray areas, and I'll just a little to one of them.

3404
05:01:27,660 --> 05:01:42,400
In November of 2024, we didn't have a vice mayor who could take the role of the mayor because council or vice mayor Schmidt elected not to run.

3405
05:01:43,300 --> 05:01:50,460
And so we had to pick a mayor and I think we were unanimous in picking the mayor and everything worked out wonderfully.

3406
05:01:50,460 --> 05:02:00,600
But there wasn't a tradition around that that just happened to be how we all came together and thought this was kind of the right thing to do, which, you know, it was.

3407
05:02:01,280 --> 05:02:04,620
But there are other situations like that that are likely to come up.

3408
05:02:05,500 --> 05:02:15,220
What if a council member who's a vice mayor for example, resigns mid-year, what if, you know, there are all kinds of boundary conditions.

3409
05:02:15,220 --> 05:02:23,920
And so, let's be clear, the council always has discretion on what to do in these situations.

3410
05:02:24,540 --> 05:02:26,820
The buck stops with the council.

3411
05:02:27,660 --> 05:02:35,080
But I thought it would be good to at least have a proposal on an opposed rotation and transition policy

3412
05:02:36,120 --> 05:02:40,860
that we could come up with to kind of just plug a few of the holes in the current policy.

3413
05:02:40,860 --> 05:02:51,300
So, that was my thinking on it, and if we were to do that, then I think, you know, we have two

3414
05:02:51,300 --> 05:03:01,260
council members who are in their last year, and they don't have a sort of a dog in the fight.

3415
05:03:02,680 --> 05:03:10,840
And so, if we were to maybe ask them to create such a policy, kind of the states states

3416
05:03:10,840 --> 05:03:17,620
of the state's swimming on this because you guys have been here for seven years now, right?

3417
05:03:18,840 --> 05:03:26,560
Maybe we could have you have an ad on committee where you could just look through this a little bit and give us some advice.

3418
05:03:27,520 --> 05:03:29,920
And we may make some changes based on that.

3419
05:03:30,640 --> 05:03:31,780
So that was my thinking.

3420
05:03:31,860 --> 05:03:34,940
I'd be happy to take a crack at that.

3421
05:03:34,960 --> 05:03:36,060
If you help me.

3422
05:03:36,540 --> 05:03:36,700
Also.

3423
05:03:37,900 --> 05:03:38,240
Okay.

3424
05:03:38,240 --> 05:03:47,600
any comments? Anybody? I have a comment. Yes, Linda. One thing that came up when we went

3425
05:03:47,600 --> 05:03:57,860
to the Seratoga Board, and this could happen to us too. The last three elections have been

3426
05:03:57,860 --> 05:04:07,020
uncontested and normally the rotation depends on the vote count. Like Kavita, that more vote

3427
05:04:07,020 --> 05:04:09,440
so she was mayor before George.

3428
05:04:11,240 --> 05:04:13,620
And I had the most votes.

3429
05:04:13,800 --> 05:04:16,120
So I was the first mayor out of the three,

3430
05:04:16,380 --> 05:04:17,720
it came in when I came in.

3431
05:04:17,940 --> 05:04:19,780
But if you don't have an election,

3432
05:04:20,920 --> 05:04:22,600
how do you, what do you do at that point?

3433
05:04:22,600 --> 05:04:24,160
Everybody got zero votes.

3434
05:04:25,600 --> 05:04:30,500
And we really don't have any guidelines or,

3435
05:04:31,120 --> 05:04:34,440
or folks who are, do we just win yet, then?

3436
05:04:34,440 --> 05:04:41,560
Well, we'll include that in our thinking and then there's anybody but weigh in on that.

3437
05:04:41,740 --> 05:04:51,480
Yeah, that's what I think is because it's a whole that is coming up more and more because we're having more uncontested elections that we used to have.

3438
05:04:53,340 --> 05:04:54,500
All right.

3439
05:04:54,500 --> 05:05:05,480
Okay, so I guess any any public comment on this in the room or on which it looks like we worn out everybody

3440
05:05:06,600 --> 05:05:10,960
Okay, so bringing it in bringing it back to council for a vote

3441
05:05:12,380 --> 05:05:16,210
I would move to a point an ad hoc committee of

3442
05:05:16,820 --> 05:05:19,630
Vice Mayor Tyson and council member tanker

3443
05:05:19,630 --> 05:05:28,830
So to come back with some proposals on a more complete rotation policy or a mirror rotation

3444
05:05:28,830 --> 05:05:32,030
policy, which includes vice mayor, right?

3445
05:05:32,170 --> 05:05:33,290
I can second that.

3446
05:05:34,450 --> 05:05:35,690
We have a motion in a second.

3447
05:05:35,910 --> 05:05:36,850
House member Mark?

3448
05:05:36,950 --> 05:05:37,250
Yes.

3449
05:05:37,450 --> 05:05:38,330
House member Swan?

3450
05:05:39,570 --> 05:05:39,890
Yes.

3451
05:05:40,950 --> 05:05:41,970
House member Tonka?

3452
05:05:42,370 --> 05:05:42,450
Yes.

3453
05:05:42,710 --> 05:05:43,530
Vice Mayor Tyson?

3454
05:05:43,590 --> 05:05:43,910
Yes.

3455
05:05:44,090 --> 05:05:44,670
Mayor Patasia?

3456
05:05:44,970 --> 05:05:45,230
Yes.

3457
05:05:45,350 --> 05:05:46,270
Thank you.

3458
05:05:46,730 --> 05:05:46,990
Okay.

3459
05:05:46,990 --> 05:05:53,290
And now we want move on to a D consideration of forming a townwide community survey at our committee.

3460
05:05:53,770 --> 05:05:54,310
Yes, so.

3461
05:05:54,370 --> 05:05:54,390
So.

3462
05:05:54,550 --> 05:06:02,030
This is an item that was on one of our work plans and got pushed off when we were trying to prioritize and projects.

3463
05:06:02,390 --> 05:06:06,230
But I know it's come up because we want to hear from the community with the.

3464
05:06:06,250 --> 05:06:10,210
We want their buy in on priorities that are going to be upcoming for the town.

3465
05:06:10,210 --> 05:06:18,390
And so the suggestion from staff is to form an ad hoc committee of the council to weigh in on how is the survey going to look what is the size of it.

3466
05:06:18,410 --> 05:06:25,090
What's the methodologies that paper electronic will be go as big as going the Godby survey and external consultant will be handled ourselves.

3467
05:06:25,610 --> 05:06:28,450
These are all questions we just want your feedback on.

3468
05:06:29,010 --> 05:06:40,190
That was a very quick subnofsist but I'm looking just for an ad hoc committee of the council if you think this is something that should be explored further and have council input to help design the survey.

3469
05:06:40,190 --> 05:06:46,470
to go to residents. I want to have a question. If we're going to do a survey, what are we trying to get

3470
05:06:47,090 --> 05:06:53,910
the residents opinion on? Sometimes there's like, how and how remote over there's a lot of

3471
05:06:53,910 --> 05:07:01,310
opinions going on, pro and con and the survey makes sense. But what is the pressing issue going on

3472
05:07:01,730 --> 05:07:11,730
in town now that we want to, well, that's where we want to buy and if you think about it, what's coming

3473
05:07:11,730 --> 05:07:16,530
up. We might not be able to mobilize as fast as getting it for the work plan, but you also

3474
05:07:16,530 --> 05:07:21,590
have the budget that's coming up in about five months and we could start getting feedback on

3475
05:07:21,590 --> 05:07:27,970
where you want public spending. Private public safety is going to be a big question that's

3476
05:07:27,970 --> 05:07:29,970
becoming of the town with the increase in the share.

3477
05:07:30,000 --> 05:07:40,420
It's contract. You might want to buy in on that. You might say, oh, or do does the community feel comfortable offsetting the cost of the sheriff with the private security? That's a valid question.

3478
05:07:41,220 --> 05:07:47,700
It could be the topic we were discussing earlier with speeding. How does certain areas of the town feel about speed bumps?

3479
05:07:48,160 --> 05:07:58,680
These are all things that are just coming off the top of my head, but there's a long list of questions in the staff report that were just areas that you could, you might be interested in learning more about.

3480
05:07:58,680 --> 05:08:02,980
But these are the types of honing in questions that we're looking for feedback on.

3481
05:08:03,520 --> 05:08:07,200
Well, so charter city, might be a good one.

3482
05:08:07,640 --> 05:08:10,900
I think that would require standing committee, it's one of those.

3483
05:08:12,080 --> 05:08:13,380
There's a million things.

3484
05:08:14,840 --> 05:08:21,520
Yeah, so I think it's always good for us to hear from residents and get feedback and input.

3485
05:08:22,660 --> 05:08:27,480
I think the question should we go ahead and do this and if so, looks like you're looking

3486
05:08:27,480 --> 05:08:32,920
for an ad hoc committee to work with from council on this yes and then reporting back to the

3487
05:08:32,920 --> 05:08:38,440
full council to get consensus and moving forward if it's something that will need the authorization

3488
05:08:38,440 --> 05:08:43,380
so if it's a larger scale survey now then thinking about it I don't think it would break this

3489
05:08:43,380 --> 05:08:48,660
60 k-perish hold but larger scale surveys are upwards of 30 k which we might want to go to the

3490
05:08:48,660 --> 05:08:49,920
Council to consider.

3491
05:08:53,650 --> 05:09:01,770
So any discussion, any any public comment on this? No, no, he is raised

3492
05:09:01,770 --> 05:09:02,310
out.

3493
05:09:05,510 --> 05:09:11,450
Any proposals? I'm happy to serve on an ad hoc for this. Anybody else interested

3494
05:09:11,450 --> 05:09:12,470
in it?

3495
05:09:16,350 --> 05:09:16,430
Nobody?

3496
05:09:20,300 --> 05:09:25,300
I'll do it. Okay, George. All right. So already on five committees with you,

3497
05:09:29,480 --> 05:09:39,400
Okay, so I guess we have a potential motion to have an ad hoc committee to work on a

3498
05:09:39,400 --> 05:09:48,460
townwide community survey with the ad hoc committee consisting of Vice Mayor Tyson and myself.

3499
05:09:48,460 --> 05:09:50,560
Is there a second?

3500
05:09:51,320 --> 05:09:51,660
Second.

3501
05:09:53,200 --> 05:09:54,560
Um, Councilmember Monk?

3502
05:09:54,560 --> 05:09:54,980
Yes.

3503
05:09:55,260 --> 05:09:56,060
Councilmember Swine?

3504
05:09:58,350 --> 05:09:59,030
No.

3505
05:10:00,570 --> 05:10:01,530
Councilmember Tonka?

3506
05:10:01,990 --> 05:10:02,070
Yes.

3507
05:10:02,530 --> 05:10:03,390
Vice Mayor Tyson?

3508
05:10:03,450 --> 05:10:03,810
Yes.

3509
05:10:04,070 --> 05:10:04,650
Mayor Patasia?

3510
05:10:04,910 --> 05:10:05,230
Yes.

3511
05:10:05,390 --> 05:10:06,330
Thank you.

3512
05:10:08,140 --> 05:10:08,400
Okay.

3513
05:10:08,640 --> 05:10:09,060
Moving on.

3514
05:10:09,460 --> 05:10:11,780
Reports from committees and council members.

3515
05:10:11,980 --> 05:10:12,700
No side agencies.

3516
05:10:14,080 --> 05:10:16,720
Any reports from anyone?

3517
05:10:18,340 --> 05:10:18,580
Linda?

3518
05:10:21,160 --> 05:10:22,820
Nothing right now.

3519
05:10:22,900 --> 05:10:23,320
Stan?

3520
05:10:23,860 --> 05:10:24,700
Not at this time.

3521
05:10:25,460 --> 05:10:29,260
We just had a reorganization at Silicon Valley Clean Energy.

3522
05:10:30,100 --> 05:10:32,800
Larry Klein will be the new board chair.

3523
05:10:33,680 --> 05:10:36,800
And Sally Meadows from Los Angeles will be the new vice chair.

3524
05:10:37,320 --> 05:10:41,640
And I am stepping down as chair, which I serve this last year.

3525
05:10:42,260 --> 05:10:43,960
Thank you for your service George.

3526
05:10:44,480 --> 05:10:45,000
That's a big job.

3527
05:10:45,060 --> 05:10:45,540
Yes.

3528
05:10:45,700 --> 05:10:46,440
Thanks for joining us.

3529
05:10:46,440 --> 05:10:54,080
have been really committed to that. Thank you again. I've been attending the EPRC meetings,

3530
05:10:54,760 --> 05:10:57,640
emergency preparation and response committee,

3531
05:11:00,140 --> 05:11:03,560
and they have been making progress on trying to figure

3532
05:11:03,560 --> 05:11:11,420
out what's called an L-Ride system, which is a load-speaker system to notify residents of emergency

3533
05:11:11,420 --> 05:11:15,860
in the hills, Los Gatos is also doing something in that area.

3534
05:11:17,620 --> 05:11:21,220
The EPRC would really like for us to hire an emergency manager.

3535
05:11:22,180 --> 05:11:26,920
I'm not sure where we stand on that budget ways, but that's their ask.

3536
05:11:27,800 --> 05:11:33,280
Los Gatos does have an emergency manager and I would say maybe try and work with that person

3537
05:11:33,280 --> 05:11:37,620
to try and get some ideas or get some things going.

3538
05:11:37,620 --> 05:11:44,160
There are a lot of things that we got to get done on the emergency preparation side, so there is merit to the request.

3539
05:11:45,700 --> 05:11:54,880
But there's also the question of whether this is a short-term consultant type of role or an ongoing responsibility.

3540
05:11:55,740 --> 05:11:58,200
Do we not have Victoria BB already in that role?

3541
05:11:58,700 --> 05:11:59,860
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

3542
05:12:00,580 --> 05:12:21,660
Yes, but she came to be prior to the bill, then the year and asked to start the process of off boarding her with the transition of Peter's departure. She didn't want the transition to hurt the town, so she is continued on, but it is her request to back off from her contract.

3543
05:12:21,660 --> 05:12:22,820
I can do that.

3544
05:12:22,920 --> 05:12:23,540
Victor, yeah.

3545
05:12:25,280 --> 05:12:29,020
She has family issues that she needs to take care of.

3546
05:12:30,160 --> 05:12:31,280
So anyway, that's the update.

3547
05:12:31,600 --> 05:12:40,120
From that, there are also having meetings with the EDPC to talk about fire resilience

3548
05:12:40,660 --> 05:12:41,700
and trees.

3549
05:12:43,120 --> 05:12:48,980
So expect that there's going to be some debate about tree ordinances coming up in the future.

3550
05:12:49,300 --> 05:12:50,320
That's my only update.

3551
05:12:51,280 --> 05:12:53,700
Okay, moving on to council initiated.

3552
05:12:55,840 --> 05:12:56,960
Item 10A.

3553
05:12:57,240 --> 05:12:57,980
Vice Mayor Tyson.

3554
05:12:58,700 --> 05:12:59,000
All right.

3555
05:12:59,220 --> 05:13:01,080
Be respectful of the time.

3556
05:13:01,980 --> 05:13:08,020
For many decades, council member compensation was limited to $300 per month.

3557
05:13:08,220 --> 05:13:11,060
And I mean for many decades by state law.

3558
05:13:11,380 --> 05:13:14,200
And approximately three years ago that law was changed.

3559
05:13:14,400 --> 05:13:18,640
Be reflecting the fact that, well, things have changed and that had been fixed for so long.

3560
05:13:18,640 --> 05:13:31,580
And it allowed cities to change the compensation to with different amounts based on the size of the cities and at the time I will tell you I was against it and one of the reasons was I thought well

3561
05:13:31,580 --> 05:13:41,860
We were mostly volunteers anyway. We're not here for the money and also I kind of didn't want lost out those hills to be the the leader of as a smaller town

3562
05:13:41,860 --> 05:13:44,920
but what I've concluded since then is that

3563
05:13:45,680 --> 05:14:12,120
The workload has increased rapidly. Compared to even three years ago, I looked in my own calendar in October I had 16 town related meetings and I'm not counting a back to back like today we had a close no that only counted as one meeting and November I had 22 meetings in December I had 20 this includes things like Silicon Valley clean energy and senior commission and all these things.

3564
05:14:12,120 --> 05:14:17,220
So I'm going to say, I'm here to say the workload has increased quite a bit.

3565
05:14:17,500 --> 05:14:25,380
I'm suggesting that we bring it to the city council to consider making an adjustment to that.

3566
05:14:25,520 --> 05:14:33,200
Reflecting also, the comment made by Mr. Epstein three, two and a half, three years ago, that some people are eligible for,

3567
05:14:33,200 --> 05:14:37,260
where that people are eligible for healthcare, which is a substantial amount.

3568
05:14:37,560 --> 05:14:38,740
And I appreciate that.

3569
05:14:38,740 --> 05:14:43,940
Although I do, also know I had that when I was on the Cupertino school board and I declined it,

3570
05:14:44,000 --> 05:14:49,300
I was a full-time employee. I already had health care. So those, those are the things.

3571
05:14:50,180 --> 05:14:55,060
And part of it is I look around and I see some cities have some younger city council members

3572
05:14:55,060 --> 05:14:59,980
and they're different stages in their career and I would say if we were to increase it it might.

3573
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,360
Make it more accessible to some of those younger people than we have sitting here with us today.

3574
05:15:07,820 --> 05:15:09,160
So that's not price point.

3575
05:15:09,980 --> 05:15:13,040
I wasn't looking at anybody in particular.

3576
05:15:14,080 --> 05:15:20,060
I believe you also, my last point was, I'm unaffected by this. I'm doing us not for me.

3577
05:15:20,420 --> 05:15:26,940
It would be take a place in the future and it would reflect new council members after an election.

3578
05:15:29,360 --> 05:15:38,580
I know in the book, I've been going to brought this up three years ago, and I think it was 1984 that the $300

3579
05:15:40,920 --> 05:15:56,920
stipend was initiated, and so I ran it on the computer and just with inflation that comes to a equivalent of $935, which is almost exactly what the

3580
05:15:56,920 --> 05:16:05,100
nowadays. And then not everybody is on the health care. That's an option, but not everybody,

3581
05:16:05,480 --> 05:16:12,740
especially since we have an older council, a lot of people around Medicare, so they're not affected

3582
05:16:12,740 --> 05:16:22,780
by the medical insurance that the town provides. And I think, like George says, to get younger people

3583
05:16:22,780 --> 05:16:29,020
in, you know, they may be in a different financial position and we've had, like I said,

3584
05:16:29,240 --> 05:16:36,200
three uncontested elections in a row. So maybe we're not reaching the wrong younger people anymore.

3585
05:16:39,520 --> 05:16:42,500
I believe staff has some data on this, was that right?

3586
05:16:43,640 --> 05:16:49,080
Yeah, we just did a very preliminary look into just our neighboring cities and I'll just

3587
05:16:49,080 --> 05:16:54,400
that ball really quick. So Hillsboro, zero stipend, but then you're going to show your

3588
05:16:54,400 --> 05:16:59,480
by screen. Yeah. Oh, my, this computer isn't hooked up. I'm just going to say town in the

3589
05:16:59,480 --> 05:17:05,420
number. Okay. So it's Hillsboro, no stipend, but provides benefits. This is just for city

3590
05:17:05,420 --> 05:17:11,180
council. Authorities in is no benefits. No stipend. Wood side does go up to the max, the

3591
05:17:11,180 --> 05:17:17,900
950 monthly, no benefits. Saratoga benefits to 50. Those are the ones that we just found

3592
05:17:17,900 --> 05:17:27,940
online. And we are 300 loss altos. I don't have their one, but we are 300

3593
05:17:27,940 --> 05:17:33,740
monthly with benefits for council members. I think we're pretty much in the middle. I mean,

3594
05:17:34,060 --> 05:17:41,320
because other people are not full of benefits. Okay. Should we get to public comment? Yeah.

3595
05:17:41,320 --> 05:17:47,240
Now, when Epstein, I live in town since George called me out, I felt obligated to come up here.

3596
05:17:48,880 --> 05:17:51,660
My only comment is, it's just do full disclosure.

3597
05:17:52,640 --> 05:17:54,440
Whatever the council this side is, it's fine.

3598
05:17:56,660 --> 05:18:03,580
But the healthcare cost is quite expensive, and the stipend payles and comparison to the healthcare cost.

3599
05:18:03,640 --> 05:18:05,620
So all I'm saying is, why do you do the analysis?

3600
05:18:06,080 --> 05:18:10,860
Be sure you include all the cost of the public is informed about what the total cost is.

3601
05:18:10,860 --> 05:18:16,200
and I would suggest doing a little bit more extensive survey of cities that are more

3602
05:18:16,200 --> 05:18:24,440
comparable to us. And I can give you a list of about 10 that are between 30,000 and 5,000

3603
05:18:24,440 --> 05:18:30,580
population and more affluent communities. And you can do this on chat GDP. You don't need to do it,

3604
05:18:31,340 --> 05:18:36,880
but that's my only suggestion. Do you have a number on how much it costs the town to provide health care

3605
05:18:36,880 --> 05:18:39,200
benefits? I don't know if it probably

3606
05:18:39,200 --> 05:18:40,620
know that number better at the time.

3607
05:18:40,840 --> 05:18:46,000
25, if I believe the numbers about $75,000 was the total

3608
05:18:46,000 --> 05:18:49,600
cost of compensation for the for the council.

3609
05:18:50,680 --> 05:18:53,120
So I don't know. And I don't know who who who who gets

3610
05:18:53,120 --> 05:18:56,180
benefits and who doesn't get benefits. I'm just saying when I

3611
05:18:56,180 --> 05:19:00,600
look at the account number, it was about 75. 75,000 per

3612
05:19:00,600 --> 05:19:04,160
council number. No, no, no, no. Or all five, all five

3613
05:19:04,160 --> 05:19:06,780
of counseling numbers, including this 300 type

3614
05:19:06,780 --> 05:19:08,440
and what's the health care benefit?

3615
05:19:08,620 --> 05:19:09,620
That's my recollection.

3616
05:19:09,940 --> 05:19:10,720
That's on your retirement.

3617
05:19:11,220 --> 05:19:12,220
Thomas, can you call it up?

3618
05:19:12,480 --> 05:19:13,580
That's a correct number.

3619
05:19:14,260 --> 05:19:16,340
The memo that Cody put together, sorry.

3620
05:19:16,540 --> 05:19:19,100
I just spoke up, showed a split.

3621
05:19:19,140 --> 05:19:22,240
I think it was employee paying, well,

3622
05:19:22,280 --> 05:19:24,380
it depends on what your plan and the plan.

3623
05:19:24,860 --> 05:19:27,800
But roughly the employee paying one third of the total.

3624
05:19:28,100 --> 05:19:30,180
And so about the lower two thousand a month,

3625
05:19:30,300 --> 05:19:32,280
which is around 24,000.

3626
05:19:32,320 --> 05:19:33,260
So times five.

3627
05:19:33,260 --> 05:19:35,380
So that means some people aren't taking it.

3628
05:19:40,360 --> 05:19:41,880
So let's see,

3629
05:19:43,220 --> 05:19:46,000
this would be something we should put it on the agenda.

3630
05:19:46,280 --> 05:19:47,600
If we decide to do that.

3631
05:19:47,720 --> 05:19:50,100
I think we should do some more work on it

3632
05:19:50,100 --> 05:19:51,240
before we put it on the agenda.

3633
05:19:51,720 --> 05:19:54,640
Well, we could do the work for the next meeting.

3634
05:19:54,900 --> 05:19:56,180
If you want to put it on the agenda,

3635
05:19:56,760 --> 05:20:00,440
or you can say you want to see that first before we put it on the agenda,

3636
05:20:00,460 --> 05:20:02,180
it might be easier to put it on the agenda

3637
05:20:02,180 --> 05:20:03,760
and get the additional data.

3638
05:20:03,760 --> 05:20:04,700
That's what we're going to do with that right now.

3639
05:20:04,700 --> 05:20:07,440
You're not, okay, so you vote for not putting on the agenda.

3640
05:20:07,660 --> 05:20:08,800
How about you?

3641
05:20:10,270 --> 05:20:12,090
You want to agenda, isn't it?

3642
05:20:12,510 --> 05:20:14,830
And Linda, where are you at?

3643
05:20:14,930 --> 05:20:18,210
I'd say agenda, I just get the data and decide.

3644
05:20:19,570 --> 05:20:22,270
Another option to consider just throwing it out there.

3645
05:20:22,270 --> 05:20:24,050
So we're just about to kick off our next round

3646
05:20:24,050 --> 05:20:25,490
to stay interviews with staff.

3647
05:20:25,550 --> 05:20:27,290
This is our third round of stay interviews

3648
05:20:27,290 --> 05:20:29,150
since the pandemic when we started this.

3649
05:20:29,450 --> 05:20:32,510
The first two rounds of the stay interviews

3650
05:20:32,510 --> 05:20:35,130
came with modifications to our benefits

3651
05:20:35,130 --> 05:20:38,790
It's an employee handbook, which is going to be brought to Council, but reviewing the ultimate

3652
05:20:38,790 --> 05:20:39,850
we did get approved.

3653
05:20:40,930 --> 05:20:47,190
This analysis could be wrapped up in that state interview process where we're already engaging.

3654
05:20:47,770 --> 05:20:51,610
So if we're going to be interviewing all of our employees, if they come forward and say,

3655
05:20:51,710 --> 05:20:56,570
they're interested in the healthcare, we could tie in the analysis to look into what

3656
05:20:56,570 --> 05:20:58,930
it would cost to also bring increase it for the Council.

3657
05:20:59,790 --> 05:21:00,670
That's an option.

3658
05:21:00,930 --> 05:21:04,770
I think we're just talking about the stipend increase for the option of Council.

3659
05:21:05,810 --> 05:21:09,910
I'm looking at the package altogether, but yes, if you're just looking for the stipend,

3660
05:21:10,130 --> 05:21:12,270
that's right. You could specify that.

3661
05:21:13,350 --> 05:21:13,370
OK.

3662
05:21:14,210 --> 05:21:18,550
So I'm hearing that there is support to put it on the agenda.

3663
05:21:19,070 --> 05:21:21,230
Do we need to take a vote or is that enough?

3664
05:21:21,550 --> 05:21:21,790
No.

3665
05:21:21,990 --> 05:21:22,010
No.

3666
05:21:22,730 --> 05:21:26,010
I guess go ahead and generalize it.

3667
05:21:26,470 --> 05:21:30,530
And I guess the feedback we got was to get more data from other cities.

3668
05:21:30,710 --> 05:21:33,110
I think essentially a list of candidates cities.

3669
05:21:33,110 --> 05:21:36,490
correct as a council in this year and this was like a few minutes look.

3670
05:21:39,840 --> 05:21:41,640
Okay moving on to

3671
05:21:43,220 --> 05:21:47,620
we already did 10 B so now it's time for staff reports

3672
05:21:50,840 --> 05:21:54,640
attorney lie. No report, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

3673
05:21:58,260 --> 05:22:04,900
City clerk. I have two brief informational items for council this evening. First, regarding Senate Bill

3674
05:22:04,900 --> 05:22:10,580
707, which amended the Brown Act related to managing disruptors behavior at public meetings.

3675
05:22:11,160 --> 05:22:15,880
Staff has confirmed in consultation with the City Attorney that the town's current meeting practices

3676
05:22:15,880 --> 05:22:19,260
are currently in compliance and no changes are required.

3677
05:22:20,260 --> 05:22:24,300
Secondly, I am providing a recommendation for the R-Town Newsletter.

3678
05:22:25,260 --> 05:22:29,400
I met with the subcommittee and after reviewing all proposals.

3679
05:22:30,000 --> 05:22:41,440
Including experience, institutional knowledge, design quality and overall ability to meet the town's expectation, the recommendation is to proceed with Alex Atkins Design.

3680
05:22:42,200 --> 05:22:56,620
The subcommittee carefully considered all proposals and reach the consensus that Alex Atkins Design's ink is best positioned to deliver the newsletter with a high level of quality, consistency and familiarity with the town.

3681
05:22:59,140 --> 05:23:02,600
Thank you, community development director.

3682
05:23:05,020 --> 05:23:07,620
I have no further updates for my prior.

3683
05:23:07,880 --> 05:23:08,180
Thank you.

3684
05:23:09,120 --> 05:23:10,780
And the finance director.

3685
05:23:11,800 --> 05:23:13,540
Good evening, Honorable Mayor and City Council.

3686
05:23:14,080 --> 05:23:15,780
Staff is continuing to work with Edwin,

3687
05:23:15,960 --> 05:23:21,420
formerly known as CIVITAS, which is a firm to help streamline our bank and cash recommendations using AI software.

3688
05:23:22,180 --> 05:23:25,500
As currently these processes take staff many hours of time each month.

3689
05:23:25,500 --> 05:23:31,540
and streamlining this process will also allow staff to produce monthly treasure supports earlier each month.

3690
05:23:33,080 --> 05:23:42,100
I've discussed in the FY2425 Annual Comprehensive Financial Reporter Act for FY2425 General Fund revenues exceeded expenditures,

3691
05:23:42,660 --> 05:23:46,860
due to an increase in property tax of approximately 414,000,

3692
05:23:46,860 --> 05:23:54,460
as well as an increase in investment income of approximately 254,000 and also lower transfers to other funds compared to the prior year.

3693
05:23:54,460 --> 05:24:00,080
This is also reflecting a 0.8 million dollar transfer from the upper fund back to the general fund,

3694
05:24:01,060 --> 05:24:04,400
following the elimination of the upper fund. And on the expenditure side,

3695
05:24:04,580 --> 05:24:09,660
expanding came in below budget, due to timing of projects and timing of, you know, filling

3696
05:24:09,660 --> 05:24:16,940
a vacancies. As a result, total general fund fund balance increased by 1.5 million to 18.4 million

3697
05:24:16,940 --> 05:24:22,220
total with 1.8 million in unassigned fund balance. And staff will also be analyzing

3698
05:24:22,220 --> 05:24:29,620
budget to actuals for FY2425 to identify areas where we were under budget so that we can then

3699
05:24:29,620 --> 05:24:33,660
kind of align our budgeting practices more and more with our actual spending as part of the

3700
05:24:33,660 --> 05:24:38,320
midyear budget report that will go to the FYC in February and we'll also be kicking off a budget

3701
05:24:38,320 --> 05:24:47,300
of a budget retreat on February 2nd. Thank you. We are expecting pretty significant increase in our

3702
05:24:47,300 --> 05:24:54,500
public safety, sheriff's contract. What is your take on whether we will be able to absorb that

3703
05:24:54,500 --> 05:25:00,140
I think the increase is close to a million, but I don't know the exact number is like 800,000.

3704
05:25:00,920 --> 05:25:01,060
Yeah.

3705
05:25:01,080 --> 05:25:04,360
On percentage of roughly 30 percentage increase.

3706
05:25:06,640 --> 05:25:10,740
So, do you have any thoughts on whether we could absorb that?

3707
05:25:11,120 --> 05:25:14,700
What would be, what would be the impact would we have to make cuts in other areas?

3708
05:25:14,700 --> 05:25:21,140
So I think, you know, in the current fiscal year, we had about a $700,000 surplus of revenues

3709
05:25:21,140 --> 05:25:26,740
of expenditures, excluding, you know, the transfers and other factors, so I think we can take

3710
05:25:26,740 --> 05:25:27,520
that into consideration.

3711
05:25:27,700 --> 05:25:32,320
I think we do continue to expect strong property growth, property tax growth in the next

3712
05:25:32,320 --> 05:25:36,580
year, in terms of investment income, that's also been a big, you know, boom to the town for

3713
05:25:36,580 --> 05:25:42,860
the last couple years, but as interest rates continue to start to decrease, you know, we

3714
05:25:42,860 --> 05:25:47,940
can't necessarily rely on that. So we'll be building a five year budget forecast as part

3715
05:25:47,940 --> 05:25:53,960
of a budget retreat and as part of a kind of upcoming budget cycle. So we'll be kind of

3716
05:25:53,960 --> 05:25:57,600
incorporating that and then kind of determining whether we need to make any adjustments to

3717
05:25:57,600 --> 05:25:59,100
account for these public safety costs.

3718
05:25:59,360 --> 05:26:03,540
You're looking like a pretty good ship from having come up for long international flight.

3719
05:26:04,120 --> 05:26:07,120
Yeah, they've been awake for about two days now.

3720
05:26:07,120 --> 05:26:11,080
Okay, all right, public work structure.

3721
05:26:12,020 --> 05:26:12,960
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

3722
05:26:14,500 --> 05:26:18,200
First update on the town hall emergency HVAC project.

3723
05:26:19,080 --> 05:26:21,280
So back on December 9th last year,

3724
05:26:21,620 --> 05:26:22,640
with staff's recommendation,

3725
05:26:23,360 --> 05:26:25,300
the City Council declared an emergency

3726
05:26:25,870 --> 05:26:29,520
for the replacement of the town hall heap of HVAC system

3727
05:26:29,520 --> 05:26:33,440
after two HVAC zones in town hall loss feeding.

3728
05:26:33,440 --> 05:26:47,320
The existing gas electric furnace, serving the lobby area, we were able to prepare that by replacing the blower motor and cleaning the condensate line and that costed only about 2,000.

3729
05:26:47,580 --> 05:26:55,300
So we have heat in the lobby which is good news for the replacing one of the heat pump system serving the town offices in the kitchen.

3730
05:26:55,300 --> 05:27:08,420
area, staff worked with Mayor, Alan, Chair of FIC, an entrepreneur of EIC to evaluate options and select and appropriate contract or an solution.

3731
05:27:09,560 --> 05:27:14,900
The existing rooftop heat pump and fan coil system have reached the end of its service life.

3732
05:27:15,580 --> 05:27:25,140
After reviewing alternatives, the team selected a solution consisting of replacing the rooftop system with three mini split heat pump system.

3733
05:27:25,140 --> 05:27:32,500
which, too, would serve the four offices, so individual kind of serving two offices, and

3734
05:27:32,500 --> 05:27:39,880
one new, many serving the kitchen area, so a separate system, and this approach was determined

3735
05:27:39,880 --> 05:27:44,180
to be most efficient and effective with placement option.

3736
05:27:45,320 --> 05:27:52,560
The many split units will be installed within the planum space, in the town hall for each area,

3737
05:27:52,560 --> 05:27:58,560
with the condenser units to relocate it outside at the rear of the building.

3738
05:27:59,820 --> 05:28:06,200
This configuration lasts for each system to be maintained and may be replaced independently.

3739
05:28:07,360 --> 05:28:16,440
So reducing future maintenance costs and avoiding the need for a full system of basement for the entire zone, which we're experiencing now.

3740
05:28:16,440 --> 05:28:23,740
The mini split systems also provide improved energy efficiency compared to the existing rooftop system.

3741
05:28:24,200 --> 05:28:31,670
The total estimate estimate estimated project causes approximately $160,000, which includes

3742
05:28:32,020 --> 05:28:39,800
engineering services for building permit like energy calculation and earned plans, as well as including

3743
05:28:39,800 --> 05:28:43,300
a 10% contingency for potential change orders.

3744
05:28:43,980 --> 05:28:49,920
As authorized by Council, staff intends to execute a construction contract within the next

3745
05:28:49,920 --> 05:28:55,140
couple of weeks, we have to get insurance and bonds and so forth from the contractor.

3746
05:28:56,320 --> 05:29:01,640
And we may authorize a contractor to start ordering materials and begin installation.

3747
05:29:03,920 --> 05:29:09,720
While they submit the documents needed for the building permit, and this will be a lot

3748
05:29:09,720 --> 05:29:12,380
because this project has been declared an emergency.

3749
05:29:13,220 --> 05:29:19,600
If no delays occur, the installation is anticipated to be complete by end of February,

3750
05:29:19,840 --> 05:29:21,560
and that's being optimistic.

3751
05:29:22,680 --> 05:29:28,040
Staff would like to thank the mayor and Alan and Anon for their collaboration and engagement

3752
05:29:28,040 --> 05:29:33,240
throughout this decision making process to identify the solution for townally.

3753
05:29:33,400 --> 05:29:34,300
It's very easy.

3754
05:29:35,960 --> 05:29:41,320
My next update is on the El Monte Fire Station Utility Undergrounding Project.

3755
05:29:42,060 --> 05:29:49,700
So now all overhead facilities have been undergrounded by PG&E, AT&T and Comcast, and the

3756
05:29:49,700 --> 05:29:54,360
polls removed at the project site of the Route 28 project.

3757
05:29:54,360 --> 05:29:59,900
With the completion of the project, we have a ribbon.

3758
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:13,480
Serimony plan for the project on Thursday, January 22, starting 11 a.m. at the corner of El Mantey and Elena Road near the fire station.

3759
05:30:13,560 --> 05:30:24,620
Same location as the groundbreaking. The event will recognize the collective efforts of the city council project team contractor utilities and even town residents.

3760
05:30:26,000 --> 05:30:31,840
collaboration made this project possible, so residents are welcome to attend and we look

3761
05:30:31,840 --> 05:30:37,800
forward to seeing many people out there. In the next month or two staff will get all the project

3762
05:30:37,800 --> 05:30:43,340
close-out data to present the council, including the final remaining balance for the rule 28

3763
05:30:43,340 --> 05:30:52,700
credit. My last update is for the Heritage House Upgrade project. The project team successfully reconnected

3764
05:30:52,700 --> 05:30:59,120
building power to the town hall electrical system last Saturday, George Lee of the technology

3765
05:30:59,120 --> 05:31:06,660
committee and also VIC, generously assist staff by supporting participating in the temporary

3766
05:31:06,660 --> 05:31:12,300
he actually assisted in shutting down the switch care for the new system, allowing the

3767
05:31:12,300 --> 05:31:19,460
her to child's contractor to make that our connection. The project team is still working

3768
05:31:19,460 --> 05:31:24,060
diligently towards completion. We encounter some additional delays with door

3769
05:31:24,060 --> 05:31:29,560
hardwares and other things, but we're hoping to really get the project completed by

3770
05:31:29,560 --> 05:31:35,520
end of February, which is we're really crossing our fingers to get that done.

3771
05:31:35,800 --> 05:31:44,580
That concludes my update. Thank you. Thank you. Let's see city manager. Yes, I don't have that

3772
05:31:44,580 --> 05:31:52,580
Just some events. As a reminder, we have technology with the seniors, with the youth commission coming up on January 25th.

3773
05:31:53,340 --> 05:31:58,880
Next week, we have a city council meeting for all the committees to present their goals.

3774
05:31:59,040 --> 05:32:10,880
That is from 6 to 8 p.m. Wednesday, January 21st. We touched on this briefly, but for the law enforcement services and all the negotiations going on with the sheriff.

3775
05:32:10,880 --> 05:32:24,040
We did finally get the proposal from the sheriff on December 31st, and so we're working through all the numbers behind that as an update of what all the other cities have decided the contract cities have decided to do.

3776
05:32:24,040 --> 05:32:30,900
There's going to be a ad hoc committee forming of one member of each of the council coming from

3777
05:32:30,900 --> 05:32:40,220
scupertino, ceratogen, lost autosills to participate in providing feedback on where this contract needs to be pushed back on

3778
05:32:40,220 --> 05:32:41,360
just providing direction.

3779
05:32:41,880 --> 05:32:48,600
So we already had that hero here with our with lost autosills with a council member swan and mayor

3780
05:32:48,600 --> 05:32:53,960
of that out of committee, it was designated that mayor of Atasia will be the representative for

3781
05:32:53,960 --> 05:32:55,400
lost out those hills.

3782
05:32:56,300 --> 05:33:01,700
As another update, another shout out to George Lee, George Lee was actually himself here

3783
05:33:01,700 --> 05:33:03,300
installing the security cameras.

3784
05:33:04,120 --> 05:33:09,060
One of the other projects you approved previously, a sum on a ladder actually putting a new camera

3785
05:33:09,060 --> 05:33:12,560
up right outside town halls, another just huge thank you to him.

3786
05:33:12,560 --> 05:33:26,980
So, town hall is already getting its new cameras and we're going to start up on the corp yard next, and then as one last update we are kicking off our finally our safe storage of our documents at the corp yard.

3787
05:33:27,160 --> 05:33:34,880
So as another goal that the council had heard in the past years was the issue of all the files that we have at the corp yard,

3788
05:33:34,880 --> 05:33:37,520
And so we have finally onboarded a consultant

3789
05:33:37,520 --> 05:33:39,760
that's going to be looking at a retention policy

3790
05:33:39,760 --> 05:33:42,500
thinking about how to scan the documents we need to scan

3791
05:33:42,500 --> 05:33:46,100
and then also looking at proposals for a safe off-site storage

3792
05:33:46,100 --> 05:33:49,260
of those documents with the ultimate goal of gaining back

3793
05:33:49,260 --> 05:33:50,760
all that space at the core of the art.

3794
05:33:50,980 --> 05:33:53,580
So that proposal will be coming back to the council soon.

3795
05:33:53,840 --> 05:33:55,760
Nice work, thank you.

3796
05:33:56,740 --> 05:34:03,160
I have no further items, but we are wanting to have another meeting

3797
05:34:03,160 --> 05:34:12,240
on January 29th and that would be a continuation of this meeting. So we are complete with our

3798
05:34:12,240 --> 05:34:20,160
agenda today. I'd like to adjourn to the meeting on January 29th at 6 p.m.

3799
05:34:20,520 --> 05:34:23,400
Yes, it would be a calling a meeting and a journeying this meeting.

3800
05:34:23,400 --> 05:34:28,220
Calling a meeting on January 29th, 6 p.m. and adjourning this meeting to that one.

3801
05:34:28,500 --> 05:34:31,380
Correct. Okay. We need a vote on that. Yes, you need a motion.

3802
05:34:31,380 --> 05:34:33,580
Okay, I'm so moved.

3803
05:34:34,600 --> 05:34:34,960
Second.

3804
05:34:38,330 --> 05:34:39,210
That's remember Mark.

3805
05:34:39,290 --> 05:34:39,710
Yes.

3806
05:34:39,810 --> 05:34:40,810
Councilmember Swan.

3807
05:34:41,570 --> 05:34:41,770
Yes.

3808
05:34:42,590 --> 05:34:43,610
Councilmember Tonka.

3809
05:34:44,410 --> 05:34:45,150
Vice Mayor Tyson.

3810
05:34:45,370 --> 05:34:45,750
Yes.

3811
05:34:45,850 --> 05:34:46,430
Mayor Patija.

3812
05:34:47,290 --> 05:34:47,570
Yes.

3813
05:34:47,770 --> 05:34:48,350
Thank you, Mayor.

3814
05:34:48,610 --> 05:34:49,030
Thank you.

3815
05:34:49,190 --> 05:34:51,430
It's meeting is now recessed.