1 00:00:39,820 --> 00:00:43,289 Claire Lai: Hey, Jim, if you're talking, we don't hear you online. 2 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:51,029 Speaker 1 (Council Chambers): Hello, Claire, is that you? 3 00:00:52,390 --> 00:00:53,130 Claire Lai: Yes, this is Claire. 4 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:54,870 Council Chambers: Okay, I just. 5 00:00:54,872 --> 00:01:06,371 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): to make sure that everyone's connected and can hear fine. Is there… if there's anyone online that's having difficulty, please raise your hand, and we'll see if we can find someone to assist you. 6 00:01:08,452 --> 00:01:11,301 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Otherwise, we'll just continue moving on. 7 00:01:12,282 --> 00:01:23,562 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): There were two subdivision proposals. One was for 12 one-acre home sites, and the other was for a hundred and… and… 8 00:01:26,992 --> 00:01:37,202 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): 119, home sites, and the process for today isn't to do any approvals or, figuring out 9 00:01:37,202 --> 00:01:56,892 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): if they can do… if people can do this kind of development in town, it's really an opportunity for different committees in town, pathways, open space, environmental design and protection, building planning, and the planning commission. 10 00:01:56,912 --> 00:02:13,062 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): To ask questions of the applicant, get their questions out in… and then have an opportunity to hear from residents about this proposal, so that we can make sure that the staff is aware of all the concerns. 11 00:02:13,502 --> 00:02:27,461 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): That way, as they then move forward through processing the application and doing more with it, they will be aware of what all of our collective concerns are, and hopefully address all of those issues. 12 00:02:27,542 --> 00:02:46,882 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): So, the… what we're going to do is first hear a staff presentation about the proposal. If I'm not mistaken, we're going to do one of the proposals at a time. There will be some duplication, obviously, because there's a lot of similarity in the two proposals. 13 00:02:47,152 --> 00:03:04,482 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And after the staff report, then we will go through each of the different committees and constituencies up here to see… and they will alert the applicant and everyone to the issues that come from that quarter, so to speak. 14 00:03:04,482 --> 00:03:12,972 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And then, we will ask the applicant to address any of those things that they wish to address. 15 00:03:13,222 --> 00:03:17,792 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And then we'll move on to the second proposal and do the very same thing. 16 00:03:19,222 --> 00:03:22,061 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Are there any questions up on the dais? 17 00:03:23,332 --> 00:03:37,351 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Well, why don't we then move right along into the first, staff presentation? Jay, do you want to hold this, or could I hold… I see. Jonathan will be giving the presentation. 18 00:03:38,012 --> 00:03:39,652 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Take it away, Jonathan. 19 00:03:39,872 --> 00:03:45,171 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Commissioner Waschura. Thank you, Subdivision Committee. So first, I'm going to start with. 20 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:48,740 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Some background on the Subdivision committee and discuss why we're here. 21 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:53,350 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So, this is required by the municipal Code and the Subdivision ordinance. 22 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:57,140 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And the town is required to schedule a subdivision committee. 23 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:07,930 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): That is composed of the Community Development Director, Public Works Director, a Planning Commissioner, and then one member of each of the Committees, EDPC, Open Space and Pathways Committee. 24 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:17,950 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The Municipal Code requires this subdivision committee to be formed, and for the committee to review an application within 45 days of receiving that tentative map application. 25 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The code doesn't say that that application needs to be 26 00:04:21,490 --> 00:04:29,669 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): complete or thorough, or address all the town's questions before the town reviews it. It's just within 45 days of receiving that application. 27 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,619 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So that's why we're here this evening. 28 00:04:31,820 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The Subdivision Committee's, purpose is… this committee meeting is to gather preliminary information on the tentative MAP application. 29 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,350 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): No discretionary action will be taken, and just so the audience and the committee knows, the application is incomplete at this time. 30 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:56,210 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): A written report of the Subdivision committee's recommendations will be provided within 5 days to the subdivider and the Subdivider's engineer. 31 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So the… we're looking first at the 12-lot subdivision proposal at 28001 Elena Road, file number TM26-0005. 32 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:26,900 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): a bit on the subdivision process. We are in the tentative map phase, which is the first step in subdivision. It is a… it's a design and a conceptual look at what that subdivision is going to look like. 33 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:40,699 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Which is going to inform how the final map is drawn. The final map is going to include, the legal descriptions of the property, all of the easements, and ensuring that the town's land surveyor, 34 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Finds it in good form, but we're still in that first phase in collecting information and making sure all that bare-bones information is on the tentative map. 35 00:05:49,860 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Once it progresses to the final map, and the town, land surveyor and the city engineer have looked at it, the city council has looked at it, it will go off to recording. After recording, that subdivision becomes final. 36 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:13,349 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So, looking closely at the tentative map process where we are today, we're still in completeness review, and we're holding our subdivision committee meeting. 37 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:24,829 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): After the application is deemed complete, we will be looking at compliance, where staff will be looking at whether or not the application complies with the general plan and the zoning ordinance. 38 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:35,269 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Following that, there will be two opportunities for public hearing. First, at the Planning Commission, who will provide a recommendation to the City Council. Final decision rests with the City Council. 39 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:40,049 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): We discussed the Subdivision committee. 40 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:44,660 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Moving on to the committee notice, a notice was 41 00:06:45,160 --> 00:07:00,980 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): provided to all neighbors within 500 feet of the project site 10 days before this meeting. The notice was also provided to the subdivider, the applicant, to the abutting jurisdictions listed on screen, and to the affected public utility companies. 42 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:10,190 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Here's the project location at 28001 Elena Road. 43 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,719 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): APN is 18202016. 44 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,490 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): It is an approximately 43-acre property. 45 00:07:20,410 --> 00:07:23,450 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): South of, the Twin Oaks Subdivision. 46 00:07:23,950 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Elena Road is to the south of the project site, we are west of 280. 47 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:47,870 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Existing conditions on the site, again, just shy of 43 acres, 42.74. It is zoned Residential Agricultural, RA, and is subject to a Williamson Act contract for agricultural land preservation. 48 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:58,810 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): There are a number of easements on the property today. There's a pathways easement, which we'll look at later in the discussion. 49 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:08,050 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Pedestrian pathways easement, there's a private access easement, there's public utility easements, that are also shown on the plans and in the parcel map for this property. 50 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:15,879 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Here's the proposed subdivision for the 12-lot proposal. 51 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:31,099 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So, lots 1 through 11 are roughly 1 acre, and the remaining portion, which is the agricultural, lot, which will have the agricultural uses, is over 30 acres. 52 00:08:38,659 --> 00:08:44,100 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So now we're looking at a close-up view of each one of those sections. 53 00:08:44,220 --> 00:08:48,249 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So this is lots 1 through 4. 54 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:55,940 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): That is south of the… The Perlagos property at 28011 Elena Road. 55 00:08:57,140 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So you're getting, a feel of the lot size, the… 56 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The tentative conceptual access to each one of these properties and the single-family residence that's on each one of those properties. 57 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:19,510 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Moving down to Elena Road, this is those three lots along Elena. 58 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): A land on the road and the corresponding private access easement leads to that residence, existing residence, on 28011. 59 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:38,159 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): You're also seeing the road that would go direct to the agricultural Portion of the property. 60 00:09:40,460 --> 00:09:41,590 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Which is right here. 61 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,449 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Where my cursor is hovering? 62 00:09:46,790 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And now we're looking closely at the agricultural portion of the property, specifically the northwestern portion. 63 00:09:56,490 --> 00:09:59,259 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Where they have a farm equipment building. 64 00:09:59,410 --> 00:10:04,669 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Primary residence, some accessory structures, what's labeled as a secondary farmhouse residence. 65 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:09,419 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And a proposed road leading to… The Twin Oaks property. 66 00:10:16,370 --> 00:10:23,539 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So again, this… the purpose of the Subdivision committee meeting is to gather preliminary information about the application. 67 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:28,949 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And some of those topics, are included on screen that the Subdivision committee 68 00:10:29,070 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Can ask questions on, and assess the application for circulation, ingress and egress, grading, street alignment, identification of easements, frontage improvements, tree removal, so on and so forth. 69 00:10:47,380 --> 00:11:00,900 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The next steps for this tenant map application. So, presently, the application has been deemed complete, and it was received on June 26th. The town provided its incomplete letter to the subdivivider on July 24th. 70 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And upon receiving a resubmittal, the Town will conduct another 30-day review of the application. 71 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:18,250 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Once the application is deemed complete, the town will review the application for compliance with the general plan, the zoning ordinance, and Subdivision ordinance, and receive comments from other agencies, including County Fire. 72 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): That concludes staff's presentation. I'll pass it back to the Subdivision committee. 73 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:29,949 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Anything you wanted to add at this time? 74 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:37,300 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): not specifically to staff's presentation, but I do think that from the town's perspective. 75 00:11:37,309 --> 00:11:51,818 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): if there's no other comments at this point on the presentation, certainly we would go through each of the individual items associated with our individual disciplines, and with that, I would kick that process off, so… 76 00:11:51,829 --> 00:12:00,069 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): One of the things that we noted about this application, unlike the subdivision application that we received, for the Twin Oaks property. 77 00:12:00,069 --> 00:12:12,508 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): This application, is, looking not only for the subdivision, but is actually also looking for the development of specific units, so I'd make that, distinction for this particular… these two applications. 78 00:12:12,509 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): that we're hearing today versus the prior applications we've heard at the last Subdivision committee meeting we had earlier in April. 79 00:12:19,489 --> 00:12:29,969 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Things missing from our subdivision checklist include the letter of authorization, and so we would look to see and have the applicant respond to 80 00:12:29,969 --> 00:12:49,858 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): You know, these things that are typical of other applications and explain their ownership. Potentially, the title report would be able to help with that, so looking for information there. There's also some information we'd like clarified as it relates to slope density calculations. 81 00:12:49,859 --> 00:13:06,999 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): topography, relating to the survey, slope of roadways, and classification of roadways on the map. We'd like, more information, from some other things that we think, we're maybe missing, included in the site development checklist, which are 82 00:13:06,999 --> 00:13:15,948 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Related to application fees, for the site plan, the grading plan, and some of the other things that the tentative map process would invoke. 83 00:13:16,029 --> 00:13:24,939 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Staff is also looking at the project to be able to respond to the subdivision ordinance, and identify issues, with 84 00:13:24,939 --> 00:13:38,519 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): minimum roadway widths, and the 160-foot, diameter circle requirement, that the Subdivision ordinance asks for for any, site to be able to make sure that, 85 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:52,728 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): any additional structures developed on it would be able to be maintained within the site with applicable clearances around it, so we'd look for more information there. We'd also be looking for more information 86 00:13:52,729 --> 00:14:04,399 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): On, comments that have been received from the, reviewing agencies, like the County Fire, Engineering, Sewer, and Geotechnical, that are often our third-party reviewers. 87 00:14:04,509 --> 00:14:22,078 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): We'd also have some questions about the existing Williamson Act contract, and the proposed exchanges of, easements between the Twin Oaks property that also has proposed tentative maps associated with it, and how those, 88 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:25,218 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Two parties, with the different applications. 89 00:14:25,219 --> 00:14:30,048 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Would be, working through those particular issues. 90 00:14:30,049 --> 00:14:36,979 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): We'd also, want to understand, the CEQA process that, the applicant 91 00:14:36,979 --> 00:14:51,009 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): would go into, and whether or not the CEQA process is going to be using exemptions for their project, because that does then tie into administrative processes associated with 92 00:14:51,009 --> 00:15:03,199 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): potential tribal consultations, and I'd let the applicant know that we've already been contacted by tribes as it relates to potential mitigation measures that may be applicable to a project through that SQL process. 93 00:15:03,259 --> 00:15:05,919 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): And then… 94 00:15:07,009 --> 00:15:26,398 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): I think that there's probably some other things that we would like to come back to once we've heard, kind of, the list of all the other different entities represented here today, and certainly we'd expect there'd be a few comments that maybe we'd want to weigh in on after we've heard others, so I'd reserve some additional time for that. 95 00:15:27,359 --> 00:15:28,369 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Am I next? 96 00:15:29,849 --> 00:15:35,609 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Jay. Woojae Kim, Public Works Director. I'm at… 97 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:39,779 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): We had, John Chow, the project manager for Public Works, review this project. 98 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,759 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): He's actually out of the office today, so I have… 99 00:15:42,770 --> 00:16:02,050 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): Astha Khanal, the associate engineer who's going to be presenting the general summary of the project, will be, speaking on engineering-related land development reviews that we conducted related to grading policy, easements, and following town standards, and so forth. So, Astha, you could take it away. 100 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:11,109 Astha Khanal: Well, thank you, WooJay. So, from the engineering department, I will provide a summary of the comments for the application. 101 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:18,140 Astha Khanal: So the submitted plans are overall incomplete and require substantial revisions. 102 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,829 Astha Khanal: A complete grading and drainage plan is required, including a topographic survey. 103 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:30,009 Astha Khanal: With maximum 2-foot contours, and a grading plan, also with maximum 2-foot contours. 104 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:35,739 Astha Khanal: If the ground slope exceeds 10%, then 5-foot contours may also be shown. 105 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:43,999 Astha Khanal: The proposed plans also do not include sufficient elevation and or labels for the proposed structures. 106 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:50,949 Astha Khanal: Or the proposed finished floor elevations, since they include pad elevations, but not the finished floor elevations. 107 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,579 Astha Khanal: Additionally, so complete… A utility plan will also be required. 108 00:16:56,860 --> 00:17:07,249 Astha Khanal: Structural details for all of the proposed improvements will be required, and plans clearly depicting, all of the proposed grading and drainage are also required. 109 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:15,510 Astha Khanal: For the private roadways shown, the easements, shall be minimum 60 foot wide. They're shown less than that currently. 110 00:17:16,109 --> 00:17:24,719 Astha Khanal: And also, the plans do not clearly identify all of the existing and proposed structures and easements, since there's, 111 00:17:24,950 --> 00:17:32,609 Astha Khanal: There are some easements that are shown as proposed, where they're actually existing, such as the right-of-way easement. 112 00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:37,229 Astha Khanal: The plans must also be revised to clearly show 113 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:44,399 Astha Khanal: The proposed drainage system, including, the… all of the stormwater discharge points. 114 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:53,759 Astha Khanal: One of the main comments from our department is regarding grading. So, the property does not comply with the town's grading policy currently. 115 00:17:54,130 --> 00:18:03,549 Astha Khanal: The overall cut and fill, proposed exceeds the allowable maximum 4-foot cut and maximum fill of 3 foot allowed by the town. 116 00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:13,390 Astha Khanal: For structures not including the main residences and tennis courts. Since main residence allow for maximum 8-foot cut. 117 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,469 Astha Khanal: And then tennis courts allow for a 6-foot cut. 118 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,100 Astha Khanal: And then the same, maximum 3-foot fill quantities apply for both. 119 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:32,659 Astha Khanal: The proposed structures, including the AI farm equipment building, the primary and secondary farmhouse residence, and the other proposed structures. 120 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,730 Astha Khanal: All exceed these allowable quantities. 121 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:36,850 Astha Khanal: odds. 122 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:46,250 Astha Khanal: As part of our comments, we listed out all of the, different structures that don't comply with the town's grading policy. 123 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:54,510 Astha Khanal: Including, 50 feet of fill for the AI farm equipment building, 40 feet of cut for the secondary farmhouse residence. 124 00:18:54,940 --> 00:18:58,630 Astha Khanal: As well as for the primary farmhouse residents. 125 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,719 Astha Khanal: There's also 25 feet of combined cut and fill for the tennis court. 126 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:12,259 Astha Khanal: And 20 feet of combined cut and fill for the gym and pool, and then 10 feet of combined cut and fill for the pickleball court. 127 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:17,649 Astha Khanal: And we've listed that out, for the applicant for all the various structures. 128 00:19:18,770 --> 00:19:23,360 Astha Khanal: Additionally, the town's grading policy requires stepping of the structures. 129 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:31,290 Astha Khanal: Down sloped hillsides and terracing to the maximum extent possible to retain the hillside and existing contours. 130 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:39,659 Astha Khanal: The last thing, I will summarize is the comments for the proposed sanitary sewer main extension. 131 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:47,280 Astha Khanal: So our comments include, a revised plan with complete plan and profile drawings for the proposed sewer mains. 132 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:56,649 Astha Khanal: So the town, to clarify, does not own or maintain sewer mains on private property except within a public utility easement. 133 00:19:57,130 --> 00:20:05,219 Astha Khanal: Additionally, the proposed main is currently shown as a 6-inch line, but the minimum for the town is an 8 inch. 134 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:15,619 Astha Khanal: The sewage flow from this subdivision will drain to the Prisma sewage lift station, and if there's an amendment to the reimbursement agreement. 135 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,720 Astha Khanal: The subdivision will be subject to a usage fee. 136 00:20:20,770 --> 00:20:24,529 Astha Khanal: And that's all of the comments that I had. 137 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): I have some comments on it. Oh, Carol Gottlieb from the Environment. 138 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,359 Council Chambers: environmental design and. 139 00:20:44,369 --> 00:21:04,079 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Protection Committee. It's a minor thing, and they do have a disclosure, but on all the sheets, instead of showing that it's a 12-lot subdivision, it says it's a 12… 24-lot subdivision, and that should be changed, I guess. 140 00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:18,529 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And then I question, well, and she's brought it up, the road ride-of-ways. Then I, 141 00:21:20,249 --> 00:21:36,189 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): That's one of the biggest things. And the cut and fill, they show, I question that amount of cut and fill on any… on… even if it is a 42-a-lot subdivision. 142 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:49,218 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Okay, I… I was questioning whether that part of Elena really can take A two-driveway, or two-entry point. 143 00:21:49,369 --> 00:21:52,219 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Because that's a curve. 144 00:21:52,449 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And that's a very important pathway. So, they're showing two cuts, one for the homes and one for the farm. So I was wondering if there'd be a better cut for that. 145 00:22:12,609 --> 00:22:13,889 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Stiggering. 146 00:22:15,569 --> 00:22:33,139 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Then I'm questioning the retaining walls, because in some of the areas, they did not show the dimension, the height of some of the retaining walls with the addition of a 6-foot, CMU wall. 147 00:22:33,139 --> 00:22:37,529 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And I think some of those retaining walls will be over 12… I… 148 00:22:37,999 --> 00:22:41,618 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): I question the height of the retaining walls. 149 00:22:50,009 --> 00:23:05,088 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Second, I was wondering about… well, one of the things I was wondering about was the, Hillipport, and, how… what jurisdiction would be over 150 00:23:05,399 --> 00:23:14,779 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): A heliport, a helicopter being landed… a helicopter being landed on private property. 151 00:23:14,889 --> 00:23:20,979 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): To me, the equipment… ugh. 152 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,358 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): The question, the size of the equipment. 153 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): shed… And then I was wondering the retention pond, I questioned whether it was open or closed. 154 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:43,659 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): For the wa… for the, drain, draining this, storm drainage area. 155 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:55,339 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): I think that I was also questioning whether private 156 00:23:55,499 --> 00:24:03,379 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): roads versus public roads, because I think in the subdivision… I… I'll question that. 157 00:24:04,879 --> 00:24:06,489 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And, 158 00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:20,369 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Then there was a thing in the… talking about accessory units. Were those farm units, or what were, what are the accessory units they were talking about in the report? 159 00:24:21,149 --> 00:24:26,708 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And then, I would like to know how this complies with the Williamson Act. 160 00:24:26,979 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Taking it out of the Williamson Act, whether they have to take it… whether they would need to take the whole 42 acres off, or can they subdivide a Williamson Act property? 161 00:24:49,249 --> 00:24:56,519 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Hi, Anita Baldwin, Open Space Committee, and I don't have any… 162 00:24:56,949 --> 00:25:00,668 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): questions right now. I just want to say that, if this goes forward. 163 00:25:00,675 --> 00:25:02,845 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): at the Open Space Committee, we'll have a lot of 164 00:25:02,905 --> 00:25:17,674 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): We'll want some clarity on some of these issues, and the things that we really, really care about, like protecting swales, the amount of oaks that may come down, the slopes versus the easements, there's a lot of topographical 165 00:25:17,675 --> 00:25:28,524 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Questions we have regarding this open space easements and whether there's a place for them, riparian habitat and wildlife corridors, all of these issues seem to be present in this, 166 00:25:28,775 --> 00:25:34,474 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): In this application, and I think if it goes forward, we'll be wanting to weigh in on that. Thanks. 167 00:25:36,205 --> 00:25:39,204 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Hello, I'm Nick Earn, I'm the chair of the. 168 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:40,725 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): the Pathways Committee. 169 00:25:40,935 --> 00:25:46,674 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): The main thing… Jonathan, is it possible at all to show the GIS for this property? 170 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:10,349 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): So everybody can see the green sections on this property, and so what we have is on three sides, there's already a master path plan for the pathways that would go along that. 171 00:26:10,350 --> 00:26:22,409 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): And then, thanks to feedback from Carol to explain, all of the green arrows that are pointing in from the corners, those are all places where the pathway should connect inside of that property. 172 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): So that if there are any subdivisions that'll be done, there should be a corridor for pathways for 173 00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:45,410 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): people, pedestrians, wildlife, to be able to go through this property and, have access. So, the main questions that I have is, how are they going to deal with this? Are they going to make sure that all these pathways follow off-road, on-road? 174 00:26:45,410 --> 00:26:54,340 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): codes that have been developed by Los Altos Hills, and making sure that they're all within the slope conditions that we care about. 175 00:26:54,370 --> 00:27:01,869 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): To make sure that it's a safe path for… Pedestrians, horses, bikes, and wildlife. 176 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,050 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): Those are the main issues. None of that has been addressed yet. 177 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,270 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you. Thank you, everyone. 178 00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:27,309 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I'm a planning commissioner, so what we kind of deal with is zoning and development standards, and there's a lot of issues that we want to go through, and I'm going to try to focus just on those issues. 179 00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:34,179 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But I do want to touch on some of the things that were said already. 180 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,049 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I think much of the Williamson Act questions are out of scope for tonight's meeting. 181 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But it is a very important subject, and the one thing I did, notice was that there was an option in either this or the other configuration for 3 acres of 182 00:27:52,810 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): recreational use, and the question of whether that would end up in the Williamson Act or not. 183 00:28:00,850 --> 00:28:03,590 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I have… 184 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:14,010 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): a lot of questions in my own mind about how this… these proposals interact with the Twin Oaks proposal next door. 185 00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:39,059 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): and whether these proposals truly are independent of the Twin Oaks proposal, or if there's some kind of cooperation going on. And I don't see enough detail here to really answer some of those questions. I happen to know there's some easements and some utilities that it seems to me there must be some cooperation between the two, but it hasn't been 186 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:40,939 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Made clear to me yet. 187 00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): So that question of independence is a… is a question for me. 188 00:28:48,140 --> 00:29:05,550 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Fundamentally, I think the… there's a big question to me of what is kind of the legal basis for the application as it sits, because there's an awful lot of things here that just do not match any of our subdivision or development standards. 189 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:14,299 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And so, for instance, we require, if there's a subdivision for the resulting parcels to have 190 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:26,010 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): not just one acre of gross acreage, but one acre after you've accounted for all the slopes. That's called LUF. It has to have at least 1.0 LUF. 191 00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:35,710 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And, even in the configuration of the 12… only the 12 homes, I don't see that, being complied with. 192 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:53,660 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): So, I apologize, but I'm just going to kind of rifle through these. It turns out it's important for us to get into the record what these questions are. It's almost more important to get the questions identified than the answers, which might feel a little disappointing. 193 00:29:53,660 --> 00:30:03,649 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But we'll give the applicant a moment afterwards to reply, and maybe we can get some better understanding about some of these issues. 194 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:18,340 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But let me just go through the zoning and the development standards issues that I've identified, and I'd like to comment that this is an incomplete list. I'm sure there are other things I haven't caught completely. 195 00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:35,159 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): First of all, as I mentioned a moment ago, the lot unit factor, the LUF of 1.0, that does not seem to be, complied with, unless all of these have a slope of less than 10%, and I don't believe that's the case. 196 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:50,430 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): The second thing is the building site geometry. We require that there be a 160-foot circle in the lot outside of all setbacks, and that doesn't seem to be complied with. 197 00:30:50,430 --> 00:31:00,070 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): We have a standards for setbacks, 40-foot front setbacks, 30-foot side and rear setbacks, that doesn't seem to be complied with. 198 00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I am curious about the MDA and the MFA artifacts that get created as a result of creating these parcels. In our town, if we have a small lot that is a conditional use lot, there's a minimum MFA MDA of 7,500 square foot of development, 5,000 square foot of… 199 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:34,219 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): a floor area, would that apply to a 3,000 square foot parcel? I'd just like to understand how that works a little bit more. 200 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): There are easements on the property. The ones that I'm familiar with is on the north. 201 00:31:41,440 --> 00:32:03,700 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): side between Twin Oaks and, Sea Landing. There is a 40-foot equestrian pedestrian easement that goes all the way along the top and then turns left, and there's a little hook down here. And according to what I saw, there are, there are greenhouses, or planting areas 202 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,839 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): on… directly on that easement. That doesn't seem to be consistent. 203 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:23,730 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): With, with the expectation there. There's a pathway easement along the eastern edge, along I-280. That's about a… I think it's a 10-foot pathway easement, and 204 00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:39,019 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I'd like to make sure that that gets preserved, as you described. There's fire access easements, there's a water district easement. I just want to make sure that all of the easement-related issues are taken care of. 205 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:57,069 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Often when we do any kind of development, we… we ask for easements. Slopes greater than 30% typically get an open space easement. The pathways easements, those arrows that you saw on the corners. 206 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:20,489 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): aren't… don't necessarily say that that's the entryway of where it is, but it does identify that the pathway committee has identified that this large piece of property needs pathways figured out inside that property. And so the whole question of dedication of open space easements for high slope 207 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:25,429 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And dedication of easements for pathways needs to be considered. 208 00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:36,550 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): We've also had this piece of property analyzed in the past. It was a report that was never accepted by a city council. 209 00:33:36,550 --> 00:34:00,129 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But we analyzed it for wildlife corridors, and we're certain… I've been up there myself, we're certain there are wildlife corridors there, and that can sometimes restrict development, but it certainly does restrict things like what kind of fences that you could put up. And so I think that needs to be 210 00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:18,750 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Incorporated. WooJ already mentioned all of the issues about grading and the dimensions. I actually saw a number on… I'm sorry, this is for the next one, that showed a retaining wall that could be as high as 55 feet. 211 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:37,409 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): with a 6-foot concrete block thing on top of it. And so… and by the way, I don't want to sound negative about the whole proposal. I think it's very interesting to look at and to find a way that something like this 212 00:34:37,570 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): might be in our future, if not now, maybe sometimes… sometime in the future. But things like 55-foot retaining walls, we probably want to address. 213 00:34:51,179 --> 00:35:05,150 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): We do have a beautiful semi-rural character in our town, and these folks are here and coming here because that is so nice. So we want them to protect it as much as we protect it. 214 00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:21,819 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): let's see, the, the building department also identified that the private road and the access standards, what I saw was 20 to 22 foot wide. 215 00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:39,530 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): kind of driveways, really. They're streets, maybe you call them alleys, accessing, many of the homes, and in our town, our streets are typically 60 feet wide, and so that just needs to be understood and identified. 216 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:50,129 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): There, is also a question of tree removal on the northern part of this property. There is, quite a bit of 217 00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): trees, beautiful big oaks, and so I just want to make sure that 218 00:35:55,750 --> 00:36:13,170 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): the issues of heritage oaks, and even beyond heritage oaks. I think we have another classification for the giant oaks. I'm not sure I can remember exactly what that's called, but we want to respect that. It's not like… 219 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:29,030 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): we could re… in many cases, if you're building a home, the home outweighs the trees. But we have a rule that says that the planning department can request as many as 4 trees to be planted for everyone that comes out. 220 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:39,370 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): But in the case of these giant 200-year-old trees, I'm not sure that's adequate, of just replacing them with 221 00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:50,380 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): two-foot-tall trees. And lastly, for this project, the question of the CEQA determination, and calling this an infill 222 00:36:50,380 --> 00:37:02,339 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): project and getting a, exemption over that, I would just hope that the lawyers would look at that carefully. The fact that it is, 223 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:21,729 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): 40 acres, associate… connected to a wildlife-urban interface. I… I don't know if that qualifies as infill, typical… typical infill. And… and so those are the questions that I have. I welcome anyone to, 224 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,590 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): If there's any other issues, yes, here you go, Carol. 225 00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:34,770 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): 280 is a scenic highway, and this was emphasized by the fire department. 226 00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:40,060 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): That, when they're clearing, working with Caltrans to clear 227 00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:59,620 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): 280, that they had to work very closely on the scenic part of the highway, and this governed a lot of what they could do with it. So this is a consideration. And also, we do not allow retaining walls along 280, and there, 228 00:37:59,830 --> 00:38:10,780 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Retaining wall, along with the CMU retaining wall, will be considered a sound wall, so we do not allow that in town. 229 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:32,079 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Yeah, and then I think one of the other questions we had was around the Williamson Act status. We see that there's a potential for that status to be rescinded. However, that doesn't necessarily meet terms within the Act itself, so we are interested to understand if the applicant's going to go through a non-renewal process and cancellation process. 230 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,140 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Associated with this particular subdivision as well. 231 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And I would add, for the town's benefit and the residents' benefit, it would be good to understand, kind of, the order of events. 232 00:38:44,090 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): for processing the Williamson Act aspects of this? Do we clear up the Williamson Act issues first, and then go on to Subdivision, and then go on to development? Or, does it all magically happen at once in some fashion? I'm just not aware of that. 233 00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:18,180 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Jay, I'm afraid I don't know the procedure here. Should we first have the applicant, say what they would like to say, and then have a public hearing, and then have the applicant come back, similar to what we do in Planning Commission meetings? 234 00:39:18,185 --> 00:39:37,635 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): be having a public hearing, but we would be asking the public if they would like to comment on the project as well, since this would be the first time we would be able to get any insight from the public. But certainly the applicant, we would ask if they'd like to participate with a presentation or response, whether it be now or after public comment would be fine. 235 00:39:37,930 --> 00:40:00,079 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Okay, I would like to give the applicant every opportunity to explain as much as possible, because I think that we all want to get as much information as we can. So I'm going to ask the applicant if there's any presentation, or any information, or any response to what they've heard so far that they'd like to address. Then I'm going to, 236 00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:16,090 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): ask for your input, and we'll use the microphone at the podium for that. And then we'll have the applicant come back and perhaps be able to respond to any of the issues that you bring up. 237 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:32,199 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): The applicant's name is Brian O'Neill. Mr. O'Neill, would you care to make any kind of presentation at this time, or respond to anything that you've heard at this point? 238 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:45,890 Brian O'Neill: Sure. Quickly, I'll just address a few items. Obviously, there's a lot of comments, and I can't really respond to everything at this point. 239 00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:54,869 Brian O'Neill: But a few… a few clarifications. This… this… Project does utilize, 240 00:40:55,330 --> 00:41:13,690 Brian O'Neill: HCD-approved modular units, and it is proposed as a density bonus project, with 5% of the units restricted as very low income to qualify for the density bonus, and under the density bonus would also be seeking incentives and waivers and concessions 241 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:17,990 Brian O'Neill: To waive certain, 242 00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:25,549 Brian O'Neill: of the town's standards to accomplish the project. So that's an important aspect of 243 00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:38,749 Brian O'Neill: of, of the project. The questions about the Williamson Act contract? So the Williamson Act contract is… it's voluntary. The applicant at this point, it's… 244 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,880 Brian O'Neill: It's subject to annual renewal, and either the city or the applicant can choose not to renew that contract. 245 00:41:47,170 --> 00:42:06,399 Brian O'Neill: Now, the applicant does want to utilize the remainder parcel for agricultural uses, and so this could be a conversation with the town moving forward on how exactly you want to go about it, but could enter a new 246 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:22,900 Brian O'Neill: contract for the remainder, parcel, or seek cancellation of just a portion of the Williamson Act contract and have the remainder, parcel remain under that, agricultural, 247 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:35,589 Brian O'Neill: agricultural designation. The… The Williamson Act contract, has 11… 248 00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:56,830 Brian O'Neill: 11 enumerated uses. Agriculture, of course, but also primary and secondary dwellings. There was a question about the secondary dwellings. Those would be detached accessory dwelling units that would be proposed under the state accessory dwelling unit law. 249 00:42:57,290 --> 00:43:05,060 Brian O'Neill: Recreational fil… recreational facilities are also an allowed use under the current Williamson Act contract. 250 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:11,529 Brian O'Neill: M… So, this, this project has been, for the most part. 251 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,079 Brian O'Neill: designed separately from the Twin Oaks subdivision. 252 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:30,490 Brian O'Neill: Now, previously, there was some conversations at the last Subdivision committee meeting about there not being enough recreational facilities provided in the Twin Oaks subdivision. So… 253 00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:47,450 Brian O'Neill: there was an offer to include some additional recreational facilities on the sea landing site to serve the future residents of the Twin Oaks, Twin Oaks Subdivision, although that… the town has not 254 00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:49,130 Brian O'Neill: this point. 255 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,880 Brian O'Neill: expressed, 256 00:43:53,450 --> 00:44:11,729 Brian O'Neill: that… that is an option that they want the applicant to continue to explore. So, at this point, this project is, proposed to be completely separate from the Twin Oaks Subdivision. Now, they are… the proposal does include a… 257 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:22,500 Brian O'Neill: a proposed pedestrian easement along 280 that would connect into Twin Oaks, through… 258 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:31,329 Brian O'Neill: To Elena Road, so that would be the only sort of connection between the two subdivisions, would be a pedestrian pathway. 259 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:36,179 Brian O'Neill: to connect to the existing pathway in Twin Oaks. 260 00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:41,069 Brian O'Neill: M… So, those are kind of the main… 261 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:46,509 Brian O'Neill: items I wanted to address, and I know there's… there's… 262 00:44:47,380 --> 00:45:04,850 Brian O'Neill: It's still an incomplete application, so we are, planning to resubmit and address some of the items that have been laid out at this hearing and previously in the town's letters, so more information will be coming. 263 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:12,029 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Brian, if I could ask you to just clarify one thing. When you were responding to the ADUs, was that to, 264 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:25,890 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): the Representative Carol Gottlieb's question about the 12 versus 24 units, or was that specifically to the ADU question? I think, you know, that could respond to both. 265 00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:33,740 Brian O'Neill: It is… so it is 12 lots, 11 new lots, and 1 remainder parcel. 266 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:41,470 Brian O'Neill: and… one… primary dwelling on each one of those lots, and there are three 267 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:52,240 Brian O'Neill: I believe it's 3 accessory dwelling units proposed on, on a few of the lots. So I don't know where the 24 came from. 268 00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:06,469 Brian O'Neill: And you lost audio. 269 00:46:09,975 --> 00:46:15,164 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Question, Brian. Thank you, thank you for your time, examining this. 270 00:46:15,175 --> 00:46:31,335 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): You mentioned that you were seeking bonus densities and application of the density bonus law. I'd just like to try to understand the legal basis for what you feel is the base density. 271 00:46:31,355 --> 00:46:49,385 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): My understanding is that this is potentially… that you've… you've… you're… you have said that, the… the Talon's development standards were frozen back in time upon an earlier application, but, 272 00:46:49,385 --> 00:46:56,545 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): even back then, in an RA zone, one acre has one unit. 273 00:46:56,675 --> 00:47:05,174 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And so I'm trying to understand the idea of, adding or applying bonus dens… or density bonus. 274 00:47:05,175 --> 00:47:18,224 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): to the base density of 1 acre per unit, it doesn't get me to the numbers that you're at, so you must be assuming a different base density. What's your take on this? 275 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,629 Brian O'Neill: So, this project is… This app… this… this submittal is 12… 276 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:38,670 Brian O'Neill: 12 primary dwelling units, and so it is consistent with the 1 unit per acre standard density, with the, the 277 00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:43,210 Brian O'Neill: Again, excluding the remainder parcel. Accessory dwelling… 278 00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:49,840 Brian O'Neill: Accessory… and accessory dwelling… dwelling units do not count as density under state law. 279 00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:56,510 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Okay, that helps me understand. You're using the gross acreage 280 00:47:57,430 --> 00:48:00,970 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): As the density… as the base density. 281 00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:15,789 Brian O'Neill: And we are not actually seeking, at this… at this point, a density bonus. We are just providing, affordable… an affordable unit to qualify for the incentives, concessions, and waivers under. 282 00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:21,370 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I see. Under state law. Thank you. I'll delay that question until we're talking about the… 283 00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:25,470 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): the larger numbers of units. Thank you. 284 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,519 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): It's your turn. 285 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,459 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Let's try, 286 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Did we want people to sign, sign up with, forms? Yeah, we have some forms so far. So please call 3 or 4 people up at a time, and we'll queue here at the podium. That way we can kind of get through things as quickly as possible. Everyone will be recognized once. 287 00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And everyone will have 3 minutes to say what they wish to say. After that, let's… let's not try to have a lot of conversation from seats. 288 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:17,900 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): that's beneficial for people who are listening at Zoom, they can't hear you when you talk from the seats, please don't do that. And so, why don't we begin by calling up the first set of 3 or 4 people. 289 00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Can I request Emmy Shroud? 290 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Stephen Chen and Peter. 291 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,590 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): per Legos. 292 00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:45,130 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And may I also say, for those of you who are connected by Zoom, if you would wish to contribute, please just raise your hand, and we will see that, and we'll call upon you as well. We'll probably handle all the folks here in the room first, and then we'll do who's on Zoom. So… 293 00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:46,190 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Please. 294 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): You might have to turn the mic on. 295 00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:16,710 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Yeah, let me clarify, while that's being fixed, this is the proposal for the 12 units. As you pointed out, a lot of the things are common, and I… 296 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:29,180 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): feel free to speak whenever you want about the things that are in common. If there's something specific to the higher number of units, please wait till the second item we address. 297 00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:31,089 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Otherwise, please continue. 298 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Nope. It's the magic finger. 299 00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:59,770 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Sorry. 300 00:50:59,775 --> 00:51:02,634 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): You guys, you're wasting your time. Okay, can you hear me now? 301 00:51:02,875 --> 00:51:11,425 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Okay, three categories. Resources, Environmental Review, CEQA, and whose land is it? Resources. 302 00:51:11,425 --> 00:51:29,974 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): I'm requesting that you all… it sounds like you're into this, but that studies are done to show how the residents… I am a resident, I use Elena Road all the time. It's my evacuation route. We would like, or I'm speaking for the residents, 303 00:51:31,305 --> 00:51:37,294 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Has there been a determination as to how many cars are then going to flow onto Elena? 304 00:51:37,655 --> 00:51:47,995 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): And block our evacuation route. Second, utilities. PG&E lines and poles, will they be underground for fire safety? 305 00:51:48,195 --> 00:51:49,715 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Internet. 306 00:51:50,915 --> 00:51:53,605 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): I have been told there's one provider 307 00:51:53,655 --> 00:52:06,104 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): west of 280, my internet goes out all the time. Is that going to be addressed? Will it be impacted? Will new infrastructure be put in to accommodate the rest of us? 308 00:52:06,105 --> 00:52:16,064 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): and water. This is a limited resource. Do you remember 3 years ago, there was a drought, or there was a 3-year drought around 2017? 309 00:52:16,155 --> 00:52:35,624 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Residents were told, don't water outside if you want to have water inside. It was a serious deal. Los Altos Hills gets… buys our water wholesale from the San Francisco Public Utility Commission. They have now put together a 6-year drought scenario that looks very bleak. 310 00:52:35,635 --> 00:52:40,635 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): And, our water rates are going up. You may have gotten that notice in the mail. 311 00:52:40,985 --> 00:52:46,794 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Our water is a limited resource. The Chuwamne River is a great river, it's pure, it's wonderful. 312 00:52:47,115 --> 00:52:48,765 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Will this affect… 313 00:52:49,065 --> 00:53:05,044 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): the ability for us to buy our water from San Francisco Public Utility Commission, and at what cost? Has that been addressed? And then, fundamental values of Los Altos Hills, I've heard you guys say this also, but it's why we are here. 314 00:53:05,705 --> 00:53:10,035 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Our values are minimal housing, spaced far apart, open spaces. 315 00:53:10,055 --> 00:53:29,455 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): And this space is one of the few left. I'm glad you've mentioned the wildlife corridor, I'm glad you mentioned the pathways, I'm glad you're looking into the trees, everything. They need to be protected. Please, do not waive your standards as requested by the applicant. Please keep those standards intact. 316 00:53:29,715 --> 00:53:46,434 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Now, CEQA, I think George is going to speak. He did a great analysis of what needs to be done in the attachment to what I was able to read. It's not what you have, but he did list all of the reasons why CEQA should not be exempted. 317 00:53:46,445 --> 00:53:56,584 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): So I'm gonna let him go with that. And the tribes. So, there were two tribes that were in the area. They were sent to three missions in San Jose, Santa Clara, and San Francisco. 318 00:53:56,585 --> 00:54:09,424 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): Those descendants have been tracked via census over the decades starting in 1905. They are tracked to what is now called the Muwekma Ohlone Tribe of San Francisco Bay Area. 319 00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:19,525 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): In 2021, Los Altos… the town of Los Altos Hills, sorry, and Foothill did a land acknowledgement. Essentially. 320 00:54:19,645 --> 00:54:22,725 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): They asked us to be good stewards, and… 321 00:54:22,945 --> 00:54:28,074 Speaker 10 (Council Chambers): What that means, but it's totally opposite of what you're looking into doing here. 322 00:54:31,810 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): We'll try to keep to the clock as much as possible. If you do. 323 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:37,470 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): here in the. 324 00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:43,659 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Nobody's gonna cut you off immediately, but please wrap up your sentences and… 325 00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:45,939 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Can I request Ethan Chan? 326 00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:56,630 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): I live in Settle Mountain Drive. 327 00:54:57,380 --> 00:55:04,109 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): At a boundary, West boundary of the proposed lots activities. 328 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,929 Council Chambers: By the way, I did not reset. 329 00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:12,350 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): any notice within 10 days. I received it 2 days ago. 330 00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): On an email that is sent to the whole town. 331 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:21,059 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Not because I'm right next to the property in question. 332 00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:29,469 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Anyway… I'm glad to hear a lot of good Issues being raised. 333 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:32,090 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): I'm happy about that. 334 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:45,010 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So… On my take, The farming activity It's a large, commercial enterprise. 335 00:55:45,570 --> 00:55:50,240 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): I don't care whether it's for profit or non-profit, it is huge. 336 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): For the town. 337 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,349 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So, you think of all the noise of the activities being carried out. 338 00:55:59,330 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): All the traffic's going in and out. 339 00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:10,809 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): And you think about their planting stuff, Fertilizers are involved. 340 00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:14,309 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Chemicals are involved. 341 00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:19,020 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Where do they go? Seep into the soil. 342 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,770 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): It's an environmental issue that cannot be ignored. 343 00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So… 344 00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:41,900 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): The town on the west side of 280 is being considered high wildfire risk zone. 345 00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:44,910 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): by the fire district. 346 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So you think of all the additional structures. 347 00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:54,310 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Especially on the 118-unit version. 348 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:57,730 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): I have to speak on both because I need to leave. 349 00:57:00,470 --> 00:57:07,709 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): There's a lot of closed… the… bundled of buildings. 350 00:57:08,330 --> 00:57:14,899 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): And we are encouraged to have wise spaces, Cut our planting in clusters. 351 00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:17,910 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): This is totally opposite. 352 00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:21,540 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): To the theme that we are encouraged to follow. 353 00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:26,349 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): If a wildfire actually comes along. 354 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,810 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): We're in trouble. Big trouble. 355 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): All those buildings, all those people, everything. 356 00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): That's called for the exit route in emergency wildfire. 357 00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:45,380 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Elaine Road is a highly traveled road. 358 00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:53,910 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): And at the… Traffic due to the high population that's gonna be involved. 359 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:55,870 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): is a bottleneck. 360 00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:59,359 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): For me, on a Saddle Mountain Drive. 361 00:57:59,550 --> 00:58:06,089 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): At worst case, I can go through pathways to either Elena or Lupine Road. 362 00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:13,479 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Again, there will be a bottleneck because of the high population density there. 363 00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So… Any kind of traffic analysis, including emergency situations. 364 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:34,319 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Need to be studied by the town, jointly with the fire district. 365 00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:46,380 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): And not by the applicant's side, whether they be themselves doing it, or hire somebody to do the analysis. It has to be our analysis. 366 00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): with the fire district. 367 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): So again, I'm very happy to hear a lot of you. 368 00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,549 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): Comments, issues being raised. 369 00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:01,339 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): But the bottom line, The 118 unit. 370 00:59:02,330 --> 00:59:05,660 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): It's a definitely, definitely no-no. 371 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,669 Speaker 1 (Council Chambers): Thank you very much. Thank you. 372 00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:17,790 Speaker 1 (Council Chambers): Right. 373 00:59:21,460 --> 00:59:26,070 Speaker 1 (Council Chambers): Hi, good evening, my name is Peter Perlagos. 374 00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:26,909 Speaker 1 (Council Chambers): In our family. 375 00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:29,340 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Emily owns the property immediately adjacent to… 376 00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:44,019 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): 28001 Elena Road. I'm commenting on both proposals tonight, and I request my comments be entered into the administrative record for both applications and all related approvals. Our concerns are not about affordable housing. 377 00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:51,199 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): They concern whether a development of this magnitude can lawfully and safely occur on this particular property. 378 00:59:51,280 --> 01:00:10,510 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): First, the Williamson Act. The property remains subject to Williamson Act contract. Before allowing residential development on contracted land, I asked the Town to identify each statutory finding required for cancellation, and the evidence supporting those findings. Cancelation should not be treated as a predetermined outcome. 379 01:00:10,850 --> 01:00:20,950 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Second, easements and existing property rights. The applicant's own plans show numerous pathway emergency access, ingress, egress, utilities. 380 01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:30,689 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): and other privately and publicly held easements. Before approving either map, I request a complete title and easement analysis establishing 381 01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:36,409 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): That existing rights benefiting neighboring properties and the public will not be impaired. 382 01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:38,669 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Third, drainage and grading. 383 01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:48,410 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): The plans propose approximately… More than a… more than a half million yards of, cut and fill. 384 01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): And acknowledge that hydro modification is required. A significant natural drainage swale affects this area. 385 01:00:55,870 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): As an immediately adjacent owner, I request all an independent hydrology analysis. 386 01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Addressing downstream impacts and the cumulative effects of the… 387 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:25,109 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Sea Landing and Twin Oaks properties. Fourth, wildfire and emergency evacuations. Before potentially adding 118 residences here. The town should obtain written analysis from the appropriate fire authorities demonstrating adequate evacuation, secondary accesses, fire flows. 388 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,070 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): And simultaneous emergency vehicle ingress. 389 01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:30,599 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): and resident evacuations. 390 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:42,470 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Finally, the applicant labels the proposals as final ministerial applications. I respectfully ask that the town not accept that label as a legal conclusion. 391 01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:52,159 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Please identify the statutory basis making each approval ministerial, and identify which approvals, including Williamson Act cancellation, remains discretionary. 392 01:01:53,720 --> 01:02:08,260 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): I understand tonight's meeting is informational, and I'm asking that the issues be preserved and answered before any decision is made. Thank you. I'm also very impressed with the, with the panel today, and the homework they did for the public tonight. Thank you very much. 393 01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:15,490 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Can I request Eric and John? 394 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,370 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): To be the next speakers. 395 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:29,900 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Hi, Eric Brado, as you know, I think. I'm on Moon Lane downhill from this project. 396 01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:36,489 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): I used to go up and swing from the oak trees up where Fenwick built the house, so forth, as a kid. 397 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): I'm going to repeat some of the things other people said. I think they said some excellent things, but the lady who came up first raised the emergency exit issue, and that's one that hitherto hasn't had a whole lot of discussion, as far as I can tell. I… I… our access is through Page Mill to 280. 398 01:02:56,530 --> 01:03:12,020 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): But astradero comes down and would… people… hundreds of people exiting down onto Page Mill there would basically cut us off. I wonder if Caltrans doesn't need some kind of weigh-in on this, or whoever runs 280? 399 01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:17,830 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): How… what's the access to 280 gonna be like that doesn't get plugged up? 400 01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:24,239 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): So that's a serious one that, I think hasn't gotten quite as much attention as it should have. 401 01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:42,670 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): The Williamson Act, Jim said we're not going to deal with that a lot. What the lawyer or owner or representative of the owner said doesn't square with the way I understand the Williamson Act, and I'm in the Williamson Act. So that's an issue to clarify, I think. 402 01:03:42,910 --> 01:03:59,949 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): I do worry about water access, as someone else raised. We have a 6-inch main along the top of Saddle Mountain. I assume there's another main along Perissima or Elena. Do we know anything about that, whether there's going to be enough water for this? 403 01:04:00,370 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): The commercial use of this farm, to me, is just outrageous, and that continues. It's clearly a big commercial enterprise they're trying to build with the owner's mansion, and the farm workers' little houses, and the helipad, and the whole thing. 404 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:32,009 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): It's… they previously said they did plan to sell produce from this place. I don't know what they're trying to do, but it strikes me as a large-scale commercial enterprise that's being proposed. 405 01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:35,399 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): The helicopter. 406 01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:42,100 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): I hardly know what to say. It's so outrageous, it's unbelievable. 407 01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:47,950 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): And yet, such things are very badly controlled. 408 01:04:48,090 --> 01:04:49,649 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): the FAA… 409 01:04:49,860 --> 01:05:08,829 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): has some jurisdiction, the county has some jurisdiction, the town, none. I talked to George Subdivian in the past about regulating some things, and basically it fell between a lot of committees, and nobody… and the coordinating committee that brought the committees together had been disbanded. 410 01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:14,180 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): So I think we need to actually explore that seriously and see what… 411 01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:16,620 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): what's going on there? Because that's… 412 01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:20,709 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): That's really beyond the pale. Okay, that's it for me. Thank you very much. 413 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:30,269 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Eric, for some great points, and also for using the word hitherto. 414 01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:38,769 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Good evening, I'm John O'Connell, Los Altos Hills. 415 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:53,989 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): There is the term, if you submit a proposal to a local government agency which you know is not compliant with the law, and wastes public resources. It is called a frivolous application. 416 01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:58,599 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): I would contend that is exactly what we have in front of us. 417 01:06:00,220 --> 01:06:11,619 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): This property is subject, and I'm sorry, I am going to address the Williamson Act, because it is actually the first decision that has to be made. All of this other stuff… 418 01:06:11,830 --> 01:06:18,350 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): It's completely irrelevant. It's like looking at water that's flowed down a stream before it's actually rained. 419 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:26,790 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): We… if this property is subject to the Williamson Act currently until the end of 2035, 420 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:39,389 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The Supreme Court ruled, in the case of Sierra Club v. Hayward, that routine cancellation just because it is in the economic benefit of the owners. 421 01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:43,500 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): is defeating the purpose of the act. 422 01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:52,180 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The enforceable restriction that this property has Is its rolling 10-year contract. 423 01:06:52,920 --> 01:07:07,020 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): If the owners wish to commence, they need to file a notice of non-Renewal, because until they file a notice of non-Renewal, the town is not allowed by law to even consider a request for cancellation. 424 01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:11,850 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): So, I do state… that… 425 01:07:12,030 --> 01:07:21,300 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): You need to determine whether or not this property is subject to Williamson Act. If it is, this entire set of stuff is irrelevant. 426 01:07:22,210 --> 01:07:24,509 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The second thing I wish to point out 427 01:07:24,730 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): is that there are a number of assertions by Mr. O'Neill. And I understand he's a lawyer, and I also understand that I am not. 428 01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:36,880 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): But his assertions are pushing the limits. 429 01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:44,940 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The density bonus law only applies in the way he's describing it 430 01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:49,320 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): To a density specified in dwelling units per acre. 431 01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:55,920 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): We do that for multifamily, but our RA zoning is not specified in dwelling units per acre. 432 01:07:56,690 --> 01:08:12,729 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Our RA zoning is specified very clearly. If you don't create, and this is after any subdivision after January 1st, 1980, a subdivided parcel must be greater than one LUT or less, or it's not subdividable. 433 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:31,750 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): So, not only does it not meet the requirements, by the way of the Subdivision Act, if you read the California Subdivision Map Act 66474.4, it specifically states a Subdivision Act cannot be put forward for a Williamson Act enrolled contract. 434 01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:39,300 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): I, I would just like to further add. 435 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,439 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): This town has very limited resources. 436 01:08:44,029 --> 01:08:54,790 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Those resources are paid from property taxes paid by the residents of this town, and by permit fees paid by the residents of this town. 437 01:08:54,790 --> 01:09:05,449 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): We are constantly having to defer extremely important work because town staff don't have enough time to do it, and we need to put it on the 2027 work plan. 438 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:23,239 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): This… Jim, if I may finish, please. Please finish. If this continues, we are just wasting valuable resources. This property at the moment is… has a valuation under the, the county assessor. Believe it or not. 439 01:09:23,350 --> 01:09:32,490 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The value of this 43 acres is $45,391, and it pays taxes of $410 a year. 440 01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): So, I really do… I'm sorry, I want to make my point. I really do suggest… I really do suggest that the town stop processing an application that it doesn't need to be doing under due process. 441 01:09:47,270 --> 01:10:04,239 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): And what we should be doing is putting our effort into working out a long-term strategic plan to put into our general plan for this area, which is in total 55 acres, and we need to put something together that enables the town to grow and develop 442 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:09,340 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Protects the health and safety of existing residents and future residents. 443 01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:12,329 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): And is under the town's control. 444 01:10:12,330 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): And I further state that there is no way 445 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:28,700 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): that the residents of this town are going to allow Sea Landing, Draco Nest, or any other company that they wish to create to annex 55 acres of this town. Thank you very much. Thank you. 446 01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:42,449 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Mr. Grady. Thank you. 447 01:10:42,775 --> 01:10:45,995 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): what he said. 448 01:10:46,145 --> 01:10:48,074 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): I took you at your. 449 01:10:48,360 --> 01:11:03,109 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): I'll be brief. I also wanted to, call attention to the Government Code Section 65302, known as the Room to Roam Act, which is going to require 450 01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:13,509 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): this town, in its next, general plan update, to take into account connectivity areas for wildlife, 451 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:16,020 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): movement. 452 01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:23,199 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): And this… property, as, Council, Commissioner Waschura mentioned. 453 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:40,049 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): Has lots of wildlife, corridors across it, and across Saddle Mountain Drive to the open space across from my property, on the north side of Saddle Mountain Drive. This owner of this property 454 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:54,899 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): has already previously tried to impede that wildlife by, proposing a, impermeable fences all around the perimeter, and fortunately, the Planning Commission did not allow that, but, 455 01:11:55,050 --> 01:12:07,820 Speaker 15 (Council Chambers): to comply with the law, you're not going to allow this sort of, development that they have proposed, because it will be clearly impeding the wildlife circulation. Thanks. Thank you. 456 01:12:11,550 --> 01:12:13,410 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): United Questra, Jupiter. 457 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,410 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): rajiv Patel, resident and town. 458 01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:26,920 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): At the last Subdivision meeting, 459 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,549 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): I was here, and I heard many of the same. 460 01:12:29,555 --> 01:12:35,154 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): comments from the committee members for a different proposal to this applicant. 461 01:12:35,985 --> 01:12:38,495 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Well… Not this apple. No. 462 01:12:38,785 --> 01:12:46,765 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Well, same parties, let me put it that way. I see the same person talking every time for the applicant. 463 01:12:48,045 --> 01:12:54,115 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Well, that tells me one thing, that the applicant is clearly ignoring what the town is saying. 464 01:12:54,825 --> 01:13:00,584 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Of what they want, To process applications appropriately. 465 01:13:01,505 --> 01:13:04,745 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): And continues to… Submit. 466 01:13:04,875 --> 01:13:08,685 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): what I would consider shoddy, half-baked plans 467 01:13:09,465 --> 01:13:14,714 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Their fishing expeditions clearly are intended for only one purpose. 468 01:13:14,915 --> 01:13:17,864 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Waste time, resources, and money of her town. 469 01:13:19,245 --> 01:13:22,975 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Should we allow such backed actors to continue to do so? 470 01:13:25,215 --> 01:13:29,384 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): I know that this will not, conclude today. 471 01:13:29,975 --> 01:13:34,915 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): This applicant is going to come up with multiple such future proposals. 472 01:13:35,255 --> 01:13:42,095 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Different ones… all the time, which are half-baked and shoddy, as I mentioned earlier. 473 01:13:42,355 --> 01:13:55,925 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): So, I would also like the town to do whatever it takes, which is legally possible, to reduce the waste of time, effort, and money that we are going through. 474 01:13:56,325 --> 01:14:00,824 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): And maybe Take 10 minutes. 475 01:14:00,985 --> 01:14:07,185 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): To finish a subcommittee meeting, And not spend any amount of staff time 476 01:14:07,615 --> 01:14:15,905 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): or even legal time, because this is more expensive than what I heard, the $400 that this applicant pays every year. 477 01:14:16,455 --> 01:14:17,395 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 478 01:14:27,230 --> 01:14:29,430 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): We have two people online. 479 01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:31,950 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Do we have anyone? 480 01:14:32,210 --> 01:14:34,370 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): In the council Chambers? 481 01:14:36,150 --> 01:14:36,830 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Fair. 482 01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:42,330 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Please introduce yourself. Eric Evans. 483 01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:49,579 Speaker 11 (Council Chambers): The Williamson Act was enacted in order to preserve agricultural and open space land, higher intensity. 484 01:14:49,580 --> 01:15:00,860 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): urban land uses are explicitly not allowed on lands placed under this protection. SB 330 and SB9 projects are specifically intended to create denser urban development. 485 01:15:00,950 --> 01:15:15,500 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): These laws are in direct contravention with each other. The California Department of Conservation has a role, upon request of reviewing projects that are under Williamson Act contract that have development proposals upon them. 486 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:21,589 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): They have issued many opinion letters on proposed development projects over the years. 487 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:40,299 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): Not only is the Department of Conservation very clear that subdivisions are not an acceptable reason for cancellation of a Williamson Act contract, nor portions of land protected under a Williamson Act contract. The state statutes are very clear this is not allowed as well. 488 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:47,870 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): I ask that the Town submit these proposals for review by the CDOC for their opinion on the compliance with the Williamson Act. 489 01:15:48,830 --> 01:16:08,300 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): In addition to any pathway easement that may be proposed connecting Twin Oaks with Elena Road, the plans very clearly show a 20-foot fire access road whose purpose would likely be a required emergency egress route for the very large development that has been proposed on the Twin Oaks property. 490 01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:13,440 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): This road seems to not be part of the ag or open space use on sea landing. 491 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:24,709 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): This land use also does not fit within the statutory requirement that all improvements on a Williamson Act-protected property are supportive of the primary use, which is agricultural preserve. 492 01:16:24,710 --> 01:16:32,389 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): The Williamson Act contract is the first issue that must be addressed on this project prior to any other development proposals. Thank you. 493 01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:33,300 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 494 01:16:42,730 --> 01:16:46,740 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): Hi, this is Kim Tam. I'm living on Southern Mountain Drive. 495 01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:48,540 Speaker 17 (Council Chambers): Last year. 496 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:49,850 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): There was a fire. 497 01:16:50,190 --> 01:16:54,859 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): at exactly… The location where they want to propose. 498 01:16:55,210 --> 01:16:56,699 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Was a big fire. 499 01:16:57,070 --> 01:17:08,919 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Okay. Now, Elena Street were not able to handle the fire engine to get in, only can handle one or two, maximum. So the helicopter flew in. 500 01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:20,919 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Four times to bring in water. They also used my driveway. Two fire engines used my driveway and cut the fence. Now, the fence is still broken. It's not fixed. 501 01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:24,289 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): So, it's not able to handle. 502 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:30,010 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): the fire agent not able to handle, how can we allow them to develop? 503 01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:35,229 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): I'm building a couple hundred houses in there. Now, I think… 504 01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:41,260 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Everyone in here is a greeted. Would you turn this lot To a public park. 505 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,610 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Hello. 506 01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,640 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): To allow us to go and enjoy the Los Altos Hills. 507 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:47,719 Speaker 18 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 508 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:59,210 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): They're filmed out in the room, why don't we go to… 509 01:17:59,210 --> 01:18:00,020 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Edward? 510 01:18:00,390 --> 01:18:02,009 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Can you please go ahead? 511 01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:05,049 Edward: Can you hear me? 512 01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:07,470 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Yes, we can. 513 01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:08,840 Edward: Hi, this is Edward Sharp. 514 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,740 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): We heard you for just a moment. 515 01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:19,989 Edward: I can… yeah, I got unmuted, muted directly. Can you hear me again? 516 01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:21,180 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Yes. 517 01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:25,369 Edward: Yeah, Edward Sharp lived on Desahara in Los Altos Hills. 518 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:31,559 Edward: I just wanted to give a counter-argument, to what we've heard tonight. 519 01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:36,889 Edward: We live in a community and in a state with a housing crisis. 520 01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,169 Edward: A homelessness crisis, a cost of living crisis. 521 01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:58,339 Edward: Members of the town raised valid concerns about infrastructure and fryer protection, and we absolutely need to address those. But these are problems that can be solved, and I'd urge the Council to find a way to make 522 01:18:58,730 --> 01:19:04,379 Edward: this… a reasonable proposal work. Even at… 523 01:19:04,820 --> 01:19:09,169 Edward: the extreme proposal that's being put in place, I think it's… 524 01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:13,039 Edward: Would maybe change the population of the town by 3%. 525 01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:17,159 Edward: So it's not the kind of, you know. 526 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:24,130 Edward: gridlock that we might be hearing. Certainly, we should do proper assessments of that. 527 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:33,179 Edward: But I would just urge the Council to find a way that we can evolve with our community. 528 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,270 Edward: Thank you. 529 01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:50,940 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Edward. I want to just comment. We do have a City Council, and I don't want you to think you're speaking with the City Council right now. This is just a subdivision committee form just for the purpose of the subdivision conversation. 530 01:19:51,250 --> 01:19:56,330 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I'm sure there will be opportunities in the future to talk to City Council about that. 531 01:19:56,660 --> 01:20:07,600 Edward: I referred to the Council as a broad setting. I understand you're a subcommittee, and I see you represent the town. So, thanks. 532 01:20:08,140 --> 01:20:11,179 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Sure. Thank you for your comments. 533 01:20:11,775 --> 01:20:14,575 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): response to Mr. Sharp. In fact. 534 01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:20,150 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): We all believe there should be affordable housing in town, but the way that density. 535 01:20:20,150 --> 01:20:25,730 Speaker 19 (Council Chambers): bonus works for every one affordable home, we have to build 20. 536 01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:40,669 Speaker 19 (Council Chambers): And it is not a 3% difference. We… if we have a gap of 49 homes, we have to build another 900. This town only has 3,000 homes. That's a 30% increase in the number of residences in this town. 537 01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:49,800 Speaker 19 (Council Chambers): and a 30% increase in population. So please, get your facts straight, because this kind of density is not helpful. 538 01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,339 Speaker 19 (Council Chambers): for affordable housing. Thanks. 539 01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:55,259 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Can I… can we have your name, please? 540 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:00,470 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Surely. 541 01:21:03,940 --> 01:21:08,749 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): We have Marta online. Marta, can you go ahead, please? 542 01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:16,209 Martha Bowden: Hi, I'm Martha Bowden, and I live on Saddle Court. 543 01:21:16,450 --> 01:21:28,410 Martha Bowden: Both Twin Oaks and this property are within our Firewise community. I'm one of the leads, as is Michael Grady, for the Saddle Mountain Firewise community. 544 01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:32,880 Martha Bowden: And my concerns are, that 545 01:21:33,630 --> 01:21:49,579 Martha Bowden: we… we need to build hardened homes, but we also need to make sure we have evacuation routes available for every homeowner, because we do not want people stuck in cars during firestorms. People die. 546 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:59,640 Martha Bowden: So that's number one, whether the access road or the density, either proposal, the 12 units. 547 01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:04,989 Martha Bowden: Or the 12 lots, or the 119 lots. 548 01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:10,100 Martha Bowden: Are they sufficient for… Evacuation. 549 01:22:11,170 --> 01:22:16,940 Martha Bowden: And then my other major concern is the stormwater treatment. 550 01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:19,559 Martha Bowden: Facility that would be required. 551 01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:20,830 Martha Bowden: Why? 552 01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:27,039 Martha Bowden: My guess is that with the proposal of high agriculture. 553 01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:31,380 Martha Bowden: That it's going to be using a lot of… 554 01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:33,230 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Who else? 555 01:22:33,860 --> 01:22:35,220 Martha Bowden: Fertilizer. 556 01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:41,389 Martha Bowden: And remember, this property empties into Deer Creek. 557 01:22:42,210 --> 01:22:52,709 Martha Bowden: And… if… drainage… If a water treatment pond or a facility is required. 558 01:22:53,030 --> 01:23:03,370 Martha Bowden: Why would we allow that much fertilizer to be used in this area, where we're dumping into the local creeks and then into the bay? 559 01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:06,009 Martha Bowden: And those are my two comments for now. 560 01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:08,770 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 561 01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:14,719 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Ann Dewey? 562 01:23:16,510 --> 01:23:17,330 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): whole thing. 563 01:23:23,710 --> 01:23:34,049 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: I have two major objections, in addition to the ones everyone else has already mentioned this evening. One is that 564 01:23:34,740 --> 01:23:46,680 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: the development of this property seems to be in direct conflict with the aims of the Williamson Act. The Williamson Act was put in place to 565 01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:58,499 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: protect large agricultural properties. It was not put in place so that residential subdivisions could be carved out. 566 01:23:59,740 --> 01:24:15,559 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: And in addition, in this particular case, the idea of having any kind of large commercial farm in Los Altos Hills is in direct opposition to the long-time 567 01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:22,710 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: conditions in our town, our ordinances, which prevent 568 01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:38,560 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: large-scale commercial developments, for all the obvious reasons of traffic and runoff and all the other things involved with an actual commercial agricultural 569 01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,410 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: enterprise. 570 01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:54,199 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: Secondly, developers like to throw around the term that they're putting up affordable housing, but my question is, what sort of income level 571 01:24:54,310 --> 01:25:10,460 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: Do these developers anticipate is going to be necessary for someone to afford to move into any of those deed-restricted, affordable units that they are putting up? 572 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,050 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: And of course. 573 01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:23,120 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: Clearly, in order to get just a handful of affordable units at almost any cost or any price to the buyer. 574 01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:28,860 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: We have to accept A huge number of 575 01:25:29,470 --> 01:25:37,200 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: Market rate or luxury dwellings that we don't really need more of in town. 576 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:54,109 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: So… I'd like to support the committee in being very careful to apply Our existing standards and requiring 577 01:25:55,250 --> 01:26:00,400 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: For the, at the very least, a far more detailed 578 01:26:01,570 --> 01:26:05,490 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: application than we have seen to date. Thank you. 579 01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:34,989 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): And that does bring up a point from the community development perspective, which is that the application really does need to be evaluated to ensure that the ag uses are within the limits and intent of agriculture within our RA zoning district. I do think that there is this question about commercial agriculture versus industrial agriculture, and then the current zoning 580 01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:43,229 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): for the RA, which, certainly, should be, thought of, in the applicant's response, as well as working with staff. 581 01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:57,579 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): All right, I see that there are no more hands raised. I think we're done with this particular item. I would ask staff to take all of the comments that were 582 01:26:57,590 --> 01:27:11,270 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): described here today, both online and here, and apply them to both projects, because it does seem like there was quite a bit of overlap, and in case that needs to be said, I wanted to just make sure that was the case. 583 01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:21,370 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Let's take a moment and hear from Mr. O'Neill if there's anything you'd like to respond to based on the things that you've heard. 584 01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:30,899 Brian O'Neill: Sure, I'll just address a few, a few of the comments and, and… 585 01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:35,640 Brian O'Neill: questions that were raised. There… there were some comments about. 586 01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:46,039 Brian O'Neill: Sewer and water and availability of services. I'll note that the town's housing element says that 587 01:27:46,410 --> 01:27:51,570 Brian O'Neill: Sewer and water is not a constraint on the development of housing, and under the housing element law. 588 01:27:51,990 --> 01:28:10,310 Brian O'Neill: The town is required to prioritize sewer and water services for projects that include affordable housing, and there are limited reasons why the town can deny services for projects that include affordable units. 589 01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:24,919 Brian O'Neill: The… the helipad, that is proposed for emergency access, not as a private helipad to be used. It's essentially for emergency situations, for evacuation, and 590 01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:29,449 Brian O'Neill: So it's not… it's not going to be utilized as a… as a private helipad. 591 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:32,539 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): What's that? 592 01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:40,160 Brian O'Neill: The question about… The density, the density bonus law does specifically say that 593 01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:47,709 Brian O'Neill: Density must be determined by dwelling units per acre. That's a requirement of state housing law. 594 01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:57,210 Brian O'Neill: The Williamson Act, the… again, the Williamson Act contract, so this… 595 01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:05,889 Brian O'Neill: This, site has a specific contract that… did… that… 596 01:29:07,370 --> 01:29:14,669 Brian O'Neill: lists out the terms of this particular piece of property. And that is… it is a voluntary process. 597 01:29:14,710 --> 01:29:20,350 Brian O'Neill: And that is the intent of the Williamson Act land, in exchange for 598 01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:36,909 Brian O'Neill: entering into the contract, the benefit to the property owner is that you get, you get a lower tax rate. So that's why, that's why the property taxes on this property are low, because it is currently… 599 01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:53,859 Brian O'Neill: It is currently subject to a Williamson Act contract. If that contract were to not be renewed or canceled, then the county assessor would reassess the property and they would be subject to a higher tax rate. 600 01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:57,170 Brian O'Neill: And… 601 01:29:58,310 --> 01:30:18,090 Brian O'Neill: I know there were, the questions about the stormwater. That is a requirement of state law to… anytime you are adding impervious surfaces, you are required to have stormwater drainage facilities. So that is, that is for compliance with state… with state 602 01:30:18,170 --> 01:30:21,590 Brian O'Neill: Regional Water Quality Board requirements. 603 01:30:22,050 --> 01:30:24,180 Brian O'Neill: There were some… 604 01:30:24,340 --> 01:30:42,750 Brian O'Neill: comments about, again, drainage and wildlife corridor, we would disagree with the statement that there's streams and resources and wetlands on this property, and those issues, I think, will be addressed when 605 01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:47,320 Brian O'Neill: When it does go through environmental review. 606 01:30:47,890 --> 01:30:55,530 Brian O'Neill: And I think that's all of… the comments… I had. 607 01:30:56,420 --> 01:31:15,410 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): All right, well, thank you very much, appreciate your responses. Why don't we move straight on to the next, project? Jay, is there a separate staff report for the next project? Jonathan, is there another staff report? Very well. Let's… let's continue. 608 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:20,450 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Is it a counter to what is your O'Neill said? Oh, I'm sorry, just a moment. 609 01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:38,360 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I'd rather not talk back and forth to the seats. There are people at home that can't hear what you're saying, but I do want to respond to you. Maybe I could repeat what your question was if I had heard it. What was it? Is that a counter to what Mr. O'Neill just proposed? 610 01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:39,250 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): It's not. 611 01:31:39,255 --> 01:31:40,775 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): His account to the lawyers. 612 01:31:40,780 --> 01:32:02,079 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): No, no. That really doesn't happen at this stage. There will be many, stages in this process. This is really just one to identify the questions and the issues that we see and you see, and to get some initial feedback. 613 01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:10,079 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Not to really answer the questions. It is the questions that are important right now, and I think we've done a fairly good job of that. 614 01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:14,529 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Let's move on to the second proposal. 615 01:32:14,530 --> 01:32:16,020 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Commissioner Waschura. 616 01:32:16,170 --> 01:32:35,750 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So again, just for anyone that is joining in just now, this is the second item on the agenda, same property as the prior application, 28001 Elena Road, APN 18202016. This proposal is for a 119-lot subdivision. 617 01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:38,020 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Here's the project location. 618 01:32:38,630 --> 01:32:40,469 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Twin Oaks Development to the north. 619 01:32:40,650 --> 01:32:44,149 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Elena Road to the south, 280 to the east. 620 01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:47,670 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Existing conditions? 621 01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:57,899 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Currently 1 parcel, 42.74 acres, zoned residential agricultural, RA, and is subject to a Williamson Act contract for agricultural land preservation. 622 01:32:58,190 --> 01:33:01,080 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): There are existing easements on the property. 623 01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:11,180 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): pedestrian… pathway, private access, emergency access, Prisma Hills Water District easement, utility easements as well. 624 01:33:12,510 --> 01:33:17,090 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Here is the proposed 119-lot subdivision. 625 01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:23,050 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So, showing in this proposal much smaller lots to achieve that density. 626 01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:24,789 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): on this property. 627 01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:28,969 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And we're gonna look at a few close-ups here. 628 01:33:29,230 --> 01:33:37,980 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So this is, the… The bulk of the units south of the property at 28011 Elena Road. 629 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:43,520 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So you're seeing… A range of lot sizes between 630 01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:47,730 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): 1,500 square feet and 2,600 square feet. 631 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:56,830 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): They're… Paved roadways, 20-foot wide paved, over 32-foot wide easements, some 25-foot wide easements. 632 01:33:57,030 --> 01:34:05,450 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): You're seeing some parcels here. What's actually labeled 120 and 121, these are private open space easements. 633 01:34:06,420 --> 01:34:08,970 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Or private open space parcels, excuse me. 634 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:17,529 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So, moving on to Elena Road. Again, we're seeing 635 01:34:17,710 --> 01:34:23,780 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): the private access from Elena Road leading to… leading through those, 636 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:31,610 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): parcels, those proposed parcels, and leading to 28011, Lena Road to the north. Again, seeing the… 637 01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:41,189 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The dedicated driveway to the agricultural property, which, again, is much larger at 34.5 acres out of the existing 43. 638 01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:49,810 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): And a similar site plan to the… 639 01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,879 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The previous proposal, the 12-lot proposal. 640 01:34:55,540 --> 01:35:06,060 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): This is the agricultural portion of the property. Again, the farm equipment building, primary farmhouse residence, the accessory buildings and structures, secondary farmhouse residence, and the… 641 01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:09,820 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The plants, along the northern property line. 642 01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:27,980 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): So again, for the committee, preliminary information gathering session, taking a look at several topics that could be discussed, circulation, grading, street alignment, identification of easements, frontage improvements, etc. 643 01:35:29,730 --> 01:35:39,260 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The next steps, same as the previous application, these applications were submitted at the same time on June 26th. They were deemed complete on the same day, July 24th. 644 01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:47,740 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Again, the town will do a re… another 30-day review following a resubmittal of the application, and when it's… when it's deemed… if it's deemed complete. 645 01:35:47,770 --> 01:36:06,240 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): The town will review the application for compliance with the general plan, zoning, and Subdivision ordinances. I also wanted to mention that 3 public comments were received for this particular item on the agenda. Those 3 public comments were forwarded to the Subdivision Committee, they're included in their packets, and they were also published online. 646 01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:07,530 Speaker 3 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 647 01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:19,589 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Jonathan. Let's do the same thing we did before. We'll step through each of our different, areas, and… 648 01:36:19,660 --> 01:36:39,370 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Please repeat, since this is a separate item, we shouldn't just say, we shouldn't ignore the things that we brought up before. Please bring them up again so that it's clear that they apply to this as well, though maybe we don't need quite as much description of each of these items. Jay? 649 01:36:40,090 --> 01:36:58,269 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Yeah, Jay Bradford, Community Development Director. So, much like the first project, and different than the Subdivision committee meeting that we heard in March, this application, just for clarification, is seeking the subdivision and also the development of the units. 650 01:36:58,270 --> 01:37:12,030 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): This application, however, also requires a general plan amendment and rezoning to multi-family, because of the specific request for number of units involved in the project. 651 01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:30,610 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Some materials missing that we'd like more information on, the letter of authorization from the property owner, preliminary title reports, slope density calculations, including LAFMDA, MFA, topographic survey, slope and roadway classifications, and maps. 652 01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:49,220 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Also, missing material from the site development checklist relates to, payment of the site development fees, site plan, grain… drainage and… sorry, grading and drainage, and, certainly be helpful, because this is looking to propose units, building sections. 653 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:56,999 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Outdoor lighting and acoustical studies are things that would help staff to understand if the project 654 01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:17,039 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): that's being developed would be compliant. Other questions are, again, related to the existing Williamson Act contract, and do appreciate Brian O'Neill's comments earlier, as to responses to some of these questions, but also do have questions about the proposed easement exchanges between adjacent property owners. 655 01:38:17,060 --> 01:38:41,780 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): I would note that, like the previous application, the CEQA review will start when the application is deemed complete, and right now we have that incomplete application. So, some of these things, as it relates to further technical reviews, additional studies, will be part of that CEQA process and should be expected there. That includes consultations, and certainly we've 656 01:38:41,780 --> 01:38:43,889 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): I've heard from, the tribes. 657 01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:54,849 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): that there's potential monitoring that they think may be part of the mitigation measures through their tribal consultations that would be forthcoming through the CEQA review process. 658 01:38:54,890 --> 01:39:03,009 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): or a bridge process, depending on, the applicant's final application. The town also, 659 01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:11,650 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Is looking for… To reserve additional comments in case, through this conversation, additional things are brought up. 660 01:39:13,620 --> 01:39:24,980 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Jay. WooJay Kim, once again, Public Works Director. We may have similar comments as the other project, but some more specific comments related to sewers. 661 01:39:24,980 --> 01:39:28,569 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): About some of the grading, and 662 01:39:28,570 --> 01:39:46,270 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): other type of comments may be similar. I'm gonna pass on the mic, or allow Astha to speak on those things. A couple of things I do want to emphasize are some clarification on easements, specified on the plans, whether they're gonna be public, private, and 663 01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:55,400 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): Putting more definition on, public utility easements, any joint trenches that are being proposed, so some clarity on those would be helpful. 664 01:39:56,290 --> 01:40:02,219 Speaker 5 (Council Chambers): And, yeah, I'm gonna actually pass it on to Astha again, thank you. 665 01:40:03,950 --> 01:40:08,659 Astha Khanal: Thank you, Ray. Astha Khanal, Associate Engineer for the Town. 666 01:40:09,220 --> 01:40:17,810 Astha Khanal: And so the majority of the comments that I have are similar to the comments discussed for the 12-lot proposal for this 118-lot proposal. 667 01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:24,750 Astha Khanal: With some additional comments for sewer, as WooJ mentioned. So, from the engineering department, 668 01:40:24,910 --> 01:40:30,899 Astha Khanal: Similarly, the submitted plans for our initial review are incomplete, and 669 01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:36,039 Astha Khanal: It also requires substantial revisions for this proposal. 670 01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:40,960 Astha Khanal: A complete grading and drainage plan is required, with, 671 01:40:41,230 --> 01:40:45,090 Astha Khanal: Including a topographic survey with maximum 2-foot contours. 672 01:40:45,340 --> 01:40:48,950 Astha Khanal: And a grading plan, also with maximum 2-foot contours. 673 01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:54,440 Astha Khanal: And if the ground slope exceeds 10%, then 5 foot contours may be shown. 674 01:40:56,060 --> 01:41:02,740 Astha Khanal: The proposed plans do not include sufficient elevations, including further retaining walls. 675 01:41:03,170 --> 01:41:11,240 Astha Khanal: And they also don't include, enough information for the proposed structures, including proposed finish floor elevations. 676 01:41:12,130 --> 01:41:15,300 Astha Khanal: A complete utility plan is also required. 677 01:41:16,230 --> 01:41:24,700 Astha Khanal: We will also require structural details for all of the proposed improvements, and plans that clearly depict the proposed grading and drainage. 678 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:33,600 Astha Khanal: Additionally, for the private roadway easements, the town requires a 60-foot wide roadway easement. 679 01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:44,049 Astha Khanal: The plans, also don't show all of the existing easements, including, pathway easements. 680 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:52,239 Astha Khanal: Some of them are shown as proposed easements, and they need to be clarified whether they're proposed or existing. 681 01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:55,669 Astha Khanal: And also if they're private or if they're public easements. 682 01:41:56,890 --> 01:42:02,450 Astha Khanal: Some of the sewer and storm drain are also proposed without the necessary easements. 683 01:42:03,940 --> 01:42:09,370 Astha Khanal: The plans must be revised to show all of this information. 684 01:42:10,710 --> 01:42:13,919 Astha Khanal: Additionally, the proposed drainage system 685 01:42:14,140 --> 01:42:21,770 Astha Khanal: Must clearly identify the proposed stormwater drainage system, and then also all of the stormwater discharge points. 686 01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:29,009 Astha Khanal: Addressing grading, the proposed property does not comply with the town's grading policy. 687 01:42:29,420 --> 01:42:31,879 Astha Khanal: And to go over the policy again… 688 01:42:32,020 --> 01:42:37,579 Astha Khanal: The overall cut and fill proposed exceeds the allowable maximum 4-foot cut. 689 01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:42,050 Astha Khanal: And the maximum fill of 3 foot allowed by the town. 690 01:42:42,540 --> 01:42:46,929 Astha Khanal: And this is for all structures, not including main residence and tennis courts. 691 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:51,809 Astha Khanal: A maximum of 8-foot cut is allowed for main residences. 692 01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:56,259 Astha Khanal: And 6 foot, cut is allowed for tennis courts. 693 01:42:58,430 --> 01:43:07,489 Astha Khanal: The proposed structures, including the AI farm equipment building, the primary and secondary farmhouse residences. 694 01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:12,579 Astha Khanal: And the other structures proposed all exceed these quantities. 695 01:43:13,580 --> 01:43:15,260 Astha Khanal: Additionally. 696 01:43:15,810 --> 01:43:22,619 Astha Khanal: I can go through the list for some of the comments provided specifically for the different structures. 697 01:43:30,700 --> 01:43:32,310 Astha Khanal: So, to address… 698 01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:42,269 Astha Khanal: All of the, the structure specifically, the overall grading exceeds a combined cut and fill of 55 feet for the lot. 699 01:43:42,570 --> 01:43:47,070 Astha Khanal: Including, 50 feet of fill proposed for the AI farm equipment building. 700 01:43:47,380 --> 01:43:51,629 Astha Khanal: 40 feet of… Combined cut and fill for the building pad. 701 01:43:51,980 --> 01:43:55,440 Astha Khanal: 40 feet of cut for the secondary farmhouse residence. 702 01:43:55,860 --> 01:43:59,900 Astha Khanal: 40 feet of combined cut and fill for the primary farmhouse residence. 703 01:44:00,060 --> 01:44:03,069 Astha Khanal: 30 feet of combined cut and fill for the farmhouse. 704 01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,460 Astha Khanal: 25 feet of combined cut and fill for the tennis court. 705 01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:10,229 Astha Khanal: 20 feet of combined cut and fill for the gym and pool. 706 01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:12,909 Astha Khanal: And 10 feet of combined cut and fill. 707 01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,580 Astha Khanal: For the pickleball court. 708 01:44:16,410 --> 01:44:21,070 Astha Khanal: Additionally, the town's grading policy requires stepping of structures. 709 01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,500 Astha Khanal: Down hillsides to, preserve existing contours. 710 01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:29,740 Astha Khanal: Or to retain existing contours, I should say. 711 01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:36,090 Astha Khanal: One thing I would like to add, that I didn't mention in the previous proposal, 712 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:42,109 Astha Khanal: Is that, the town would also require a traffic study. 713 01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:44,320 Astha Khanal: For, for both proposals. 714 01:44:45,230 --> 01:44:51,200 Astha Khanal: For the proposed sanitary sewer main extension, the engineering department's comments 715 01:44:51,420 --> 01:44:58,819 Astha Khanal: Include providing a revised plan with complete plan and profile drawings for the proposed sewer mains. 716 01:44:59,570 --> 01:45:07,380 Astha Khanal: The town does not own or maintain sewer mains on private property, except within, public utility easements. 717 01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:13,719 Astha Khanal: Additionally, the proposed main, should be an 8-inch main minimum. 718 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:20,759 Astha Khanal: the sewer flow from this subdivision will also drain to the Persama sewage lift station. 719 01:45:21,170 --> 01:45:27,900 Astha Khanal: And if there is an amendment to the reimbursement agreement, the subdivision will be subject to a usage fee. 720 01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:38,849 Astha Khanal: Additionally, for this specific proposal, there is a sewer capacity study required due to the increased sewage flow from this subdivision. 721 01:45:39,220 --> 01:45:44,390 Astha Khanal: And applicants will be responsible for the cost to upsize the existing sewer mains. 722 01:45:45,220 --> 01:45:52,290 Astha Khanal: The discharge volume may also be limited by capacity rights per the agreement with the City of Palo Alto. 723 01:45:52,460 --> 01:45:57,160 Astha Khanal: with the Regional Water Quality Plant… Control Plant in Palo Alto. 724 01:45:59,070 --> 01:46:02,080 Astha Khanal: That's all… that's all I have for my comments. 725 01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:19,500 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Again, Drawings… On 6, 7, 8, and 9 show 24 lots. 726 01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:34,820 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): So, they didn't change that. It should say 119th. Scenic, and again, I want to emphasize this is a scenic highway, and that sort of, 727 01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:45,209 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): does preclude… Dwelling… it has to take into effect that it's a scenic highway, so you want your, 728 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:53,180 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): We'd like to have your, buildings Hidden, not be prominent. 729 01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:55,579 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): to the landscape. 730 01:46:55,820 --> 01:47:04,469 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): The other thing is, that hasn't been address… was addressed a little bit, is the number of parking places per unit. 731 01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:18,169 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And where the parking was going to be. And I think it's along the roadways, but I think we should address it. Also, the units are shown to be three-story. 732 01:47:18,980 --> 01:47:36,219 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): So, this is going to, with this kind of development, it's going to be very, very prominent. So that should be addressed. And again, my favorite topic is the retaining walls. I think, and it would be EDBC's 733 01:47:36,890 --> 01:47:42,010 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Then these retaining walls are far too… Excessive. 734 01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,940 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And the roads, again, 735 01:47:47,190 --> 01:48:06,060 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): don't meet the town's standards, so that needs to be addressed, and whether they're private or public. I don't think we usually have… do we have private roads on a development of this way? Usually, private roads are 2 or 3 houses. 736 01:48:06,130 --> 01:48:09,539 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): If not… A subdivision. 737 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:15,340 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): And, the other thing… is… 738 01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:30,199 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Oh, again, one entrance, whether looking at two entrances so close together, and what kind of, entryway, what would be the size of the entryway coming into the subdivision? 739 01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:36,340 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Awesome. Thanks. 740 01:48:36,930 --> 01:48:37,779 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): Wanna say something? 741 01:48:37,940 --> 01:48:38,870 Speaker 13 (Council Chambers): Yeah. 742 01:48:38,875 --> 01:48:41,125 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): Again, Nick, aren't sure. 743 01:48:41,125 --> 01:48:45,955 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): take a moment, though, just to say that… For something about this? No, just to say that, 744 01:48:46,075 --> 01:48:50,125 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): what you had said before applies to this. Oh, sure. We want this to be able. 745 01:48:50,125 --> 01:48:55,815 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Yeah, it's the very same issues. The topography has not changed. 746 01:48:56,165 --> 01:49:04,205 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): And, you know, Open Space Committee still has the same concerns going forward, if the application goes forward. 747 01:49:04,525 --> 01:49:15,884 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): We are concerned about the swales, the wildlife corridors, any riparian habitat, the slopes, open space easements that could be there. All of those things we would want to address. 748 01:49:16,205 --> 01:49:17,085 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 749 01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:27,170 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): Yes, again, Nick Earn, Chairman for the Pathways Committee. Jonathan, just to show it one more time, just to make it clear. 750 01:49:27,230 --> 01:49:42,799 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): So on the GIS that we have for the Master Path Plan for the Pathways Committee, it's very clear that currently on three sides of this property, we already have, pathways allocated and designed. They should be in compliance with the codes. 751 01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:51,009 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): that the city has for pathways. The four corners, and, was, clearly specified by Jim, too. 752 01:49:51,010 --> 01:50:04,899 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): Is they don't necessarily have to come in from those exact locations, but the whole point of having those arrows is to make sure that there are pathways to code that go through these properties that interconnect. 753 01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:25,020 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): That, either on-road and off-road, they have to be compliant, and in any of the site development plans, they should be laid out and clear, so that it's very clear that the pathways are a key component of our entire city. All of the dwellings on this should 754 01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:27,040 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): try to… 755 01:50:28,140 --> 01:50:43,390 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): Embrace, what the pathways are all about, making it a safe corridor for both people, horses, pedestrians, wildlife, so that this way it is also used for emergency access pathways. 756 01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:47,989 Speaker 8 (Council Chambers): And all of those need to be clearly addressed, during the development. 757 01:50:51,740 --> 01:50:52,550 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 758 01:50:53,700 --> 01:50:59,820 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And I'm just gonna rifle through my list of development standards and zoning issues. 759 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:18,959 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): They're very similar to what was said before, but there are a few things that have to do with the density that has increased here, and I'll mention those things as well. First of all, the LUF. We require a LUF of 1.0 when we do a subdivision, and we would 760 01:51:19,130 --> 01:51:32,929 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I'd like to understand how we, can create an average 2,250 square foot lot and achieve any LUF that's consistent with our codes. 761 01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:41,750 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Predominantly, there's an issue about this going through a rezoning process to become a multi-family zone. 762 01:51:42,210 --> 01:51:45,370 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And, it's not clear to me 763 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:51,010 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): how that comes about. That isn't something that an applicant can just… 764 01:51:51,230 --> 01:51:59,869 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): do. That's something that the town does, so we'll have to figure out how that would happen in this case. 765 01:51:59,970 --> 01:52:19,169 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I mentioned earlier on the other one, the building site geometry, that has gotten more of an… a more acute issue because these are even smaller. Setbacks, that's more acute because they're smaller. MDA, MFA, same point. Here's a new one, which is parking. 766 01:52:19,210 --> 01:52:27,509 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Parking with this much density is going to be an issue. We… we try not to have parking on streets. 767 01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:42,390 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And we have requirements that a home have two and three different parking spots, and if you have an ADU, another parking spot, and it's not clear to me that this supports any of those town design standards. 768 01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:59,440 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): The easements we mentioned before, both the existing easements and being compatible with their uses, but also the new easements that are typical in development, such as the pathways that are going to be needed to outfit such a large 769 01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:06,270 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): piece of real estate. And open space easements, for slope… Conservation. 770 01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:26,180 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Also with the density is landscape screening. We typically try to have some barriers between homes so that there's some privacy, and as these homes get closer and closer together, that's going to be harder to achieve. I'd like to understand how that happens. 771 01:53:26,410 --> 01:53:40,149 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): The grading issue, I think, is very important. This is the document where I saw a 55-foot retaining wall, and I can point you to that, page 16, section C. 772 01:53:42,280 --> 01:54:00,569 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): the… the access to the homes being private roads and having our access standards be complied with, what I read, again, is 20 to 22 foot road widths when we typically use 60 feet wide right-of-ways for 773 01:54:00,570 --> 01:54:03,230 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): For the… for, access. 774 01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:12,629 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I already mentioned multifamily zoning and that transition, and I think that is a very large issue. 775 01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:18,799 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Is there anything else anyone from the committees would like to say at this point? 776 01:54:20,420 --> 01:54:24,020 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): pardon? The hell of a path? 777 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:25,340 Speaker 6 (Council Chambers): Doctor. 778 01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:33,989 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): You'd like to just make sure that the helipad is… FAA compliant? FAA compliant, yes, okay. 779 01:54:34,130 --> 01:54:36,420 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I understand that. 780 01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:49,909 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Why don't we give the applicant an opportunity to respond to the questions that we've brought up, and then we'll ask for any, 781 01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:54,170 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Advice… advice… advice from the, 782 01:54:54,610 --> 01:55:00,189 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): From the audience, and then we'll go back to the applicant. Okay, 783 01:55:01,390 --> 01:55:10,099 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Mr. O'Neill, would you like to say anything in response to some of the questions that were brought up on this particular proposal? 784 01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:25,040 Brian O'Neill: Just very briefly, I think it's a lot of the same issues that we previously discussed. Wanted to clarify, it is a… it is 118 units, in a 785 01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:41,180 Brian O'Neill: 8.5 acre portion, essentially the same portion of the property that would be developed with the 11 lots of the other proposal. The idea here was to be consistent with the 786 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:42,780 Brian O'Neill: the… 787 01:55:43,890 --> 01:55:58,919 Brian O'Neill: with the town's housing element overlay, and we understand that right now, this property would be required to be rezoned in a general plan amendment. I know the town is still 788 01:55:59,490 --> 01:56:07,140 Brian O'Neill: looking for alternative… alternative sites to meet the arena requirements, in addition to… 789 01:56:07,390 --> 01:56:17,070 Brian O'Neill: In addition to low income, it's still, the town is still behind on all affordability levels, including above moderate 790 01:56:17,180 --> 01:56:22,449 Brian O'Neill: Or above moderate, moderate, very low. So this is, 791 01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:29,239 Brian O'Neill: A large site that would meet the requirements for the housing element law to accommodate. 792 01:56:30,230 --> 01:56:46,770 Brian O'Neill: accommodate affordable housing, and this concept proposal is if the town were interested in, designating this for multifamily purposes. But we do recognize that that would require a discretionary rezoning of the site. 793 01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:54,089 Brian O'Neill: And… That's all I got on this one. 794 01:56:54,090 --> 01:57:02,020 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): All right, well, thank you very much. It was very good. Thank you for pointing that out. That is… 795 01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:18,800 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): an issue for the town, having affordable housing. And this is an opportunity for the town to consider a way to get lots of affordable housing without having lots of high luxury homes attending it. 796 01:57:18,890 --> 01:57:24,960 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Increasing the density much higher. This is a, 797 01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:42,580 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): something that will go through many phases of analysis and consideration. There'll be many opportunities for people to weigh in. Why don't we take this opportunity to hear from any residents who have anything to say about this particular application? 798 01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:59,369 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And if you have any names, you might… okay, we don't. But, so please, raise your hand, get our attention, come to the podium, and we'd like to hear what you have to say. 799 01:58:00,260 --> 01:58:06,989 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Good evening. Thank you for having this wonderful panel here, which covers, encompasses what our. 800 01:58:07,250 --> 01:58:10,140 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): is all about, you know, a slice of everything. 801 01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:20,839 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): So, I'm just… my name is Indu Kadambi, and, I do agree that, you know, housing, affordable housing, and that housing element is important. 802 01:58:20,970 --> 01:58:36,659 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): But do we have to alter our ridgeline? Do we have to, work with the, you know, mitigating factors like runoff and fertilizer and all these things in order to achieve that goal? 803 01:58:36,660 --> 01:58:44,320 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): you know, that small goal of affordable housing, can we not have alternative, you know, options? Do we have to go with… 804 01:58:44,390 --> 01:59:00,160 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): And all the helicopter, I mean, it's not something like a Marie Antoinette kind of a situation. Do we really need a helipad? The reason they have it, they said, Mr. O'Neill said that it was, you know, for safety and things like that. Do we need to tamper our land? 805 01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:20,020 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): in order to have, you know, safety. Actually, we are creating all those hazards, and then in order to mitigate that, we are trying to do retaining walls, and prevent runoffs, and then have helipads, you know, and things like that. Do we need all that, or are there ways to attain our lofty goal of having the affordable housing? 806 01:59:20,300 --> 01:59:22,379 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): Without having to go with the… 807 01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:40,039 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): luxury options, which is, you know, disproportionate to what the housing element, you know, mandates us to do. So that's one thing. I'm also interested in knowing about the AI farm. I do, support AI, it's not that I'm, you know, it's not an anathema in my eyes. 808 01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:53,209 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): But I would like to know how much the water consumption will be on that particular issue. So that… these are all issues that people need to talk about, and when you have a disproportionate, non-affordable housing. 809 01:59:53,300 --> 02:00:08,389 Speaker 20 (Council Chambers): we should be asking, do we have alternate options where we can achieve this, and maybe even better, maybe we can even provide more affordable housing without having to go with all the behemoth construction? So, that's all I wanted. 810 02:00:14,780 --> 02:00:16,480 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Okay, there is time. 811 02:00:16,750 --> 02:00:24,399 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): I have 3 additional questions specifically for this 118-unit alternative. First, the applicant's plans say that 812 02:00:24,650 --> 02:00:44,280 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): These 118 residents will be served by only 20 to 20 foot wide private roads, and they also identify a potential connection through the proposed Twin Oaks development. I asked the town whether this project can independently satisfy fire emergency traffic and circulation requirements if Twin Oaks is never constructed. 813 02:00:44,860 --> 02:00:47,530 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Can TM26… 814 02:00:47,980 --> 02:00:57,320 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): 0006 function independently if Twin Oaks is never approved or constructed? If not, why are these being reviewed as independent projects? 815 02:00:57,660 --> 02:01:04,880 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Second, the plants contain residential lots as small as 1,400 square feet and many approximately 21 feet wide. 816 02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:15,670 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): I'd like the town to identify every RA development standard that this proposal violates and departs from, and the specific state law waiver concession. 817 02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:18,549 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Were other authority claimed for each departure? 818 02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:24,019 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): The applicant defines The residential project area is only 8.5 acres. 819 02:01:24,220 --> 02:01:41,289 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): for its claim CEQA exemption, yet the plans contemplate additional recreation land, roads, drainage, fire access, and infrastructure elsewhere on this 43-acre site. I asked the town to explain exactly what constitutes the project site for CEQA purposes, and ensure the project is not being artificially segmented. 820 02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:46,739 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): There appears to be a proposed lot of only 980 square feet. 821 02:01:47,110 --> 02:01:56,739 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): The preliminary lotting plan identifies 121, identifies lot 121 as approximately 980 square feet. 822 02:01:56,840 --> 02:02:03,140 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): What is this parcel for? Whether it's being counted among the 119 lots, and whether it is developable. 823 02:02:03,250 --> 02:02:15,069 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): And what standards apply to it? Why does a 118-unit project create 119 lots, plus other identified parcels? The agenda, 824 02:02:15,390 --> 02:02:29,109 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): describes a 119-lot Subdivision with 118 residential units. And, please explain the complete parcel accounting, including lots 119, 120, 121, shown in the plans. 825 02:02:29,110 --> 02:02:39,029 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): and the legal purposes for each one of these non-residential parcels. I request that the Town's answers and supporting documents be placed in the record. Thank you. 826 02:02:39,110 --> 02:02:40,100 Speaker 12 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 827 02:02:52,940 --> 02:02:53,960 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Good evening. 828 02:02:54,270 --> 02:03:04,990 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Jill Grunewald on Elena Road, thank you very much for your participation. One of the things I want to bring up is that there are two other sites that have been identified. 829 02:03:05,210 --> 02:03:09,929 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): And that is Foothill College and St. Nicholas. Now, Foothill College 830 02:03:10,210 --> 02:03:17,650 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): came to one of the meetings. They're enthused to have low-income housing there, and it makes all the sense. 831 02:03:18,370 --> 02:03:22,900 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): There's police, There's fire, there's patrol. 832 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:25,130 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): There's employment. 833 02:03:25,500 --> 02:03:27,660 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): There's transportation. 834 02:03:28,170 --> 02:03:33,179 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): I think we need to ease a little bit and take a look at the foothill site. 835 02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:37,049 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): That's where the multi-dwelling needs to occur. 836 02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:39,600 Speaker 7 (Council Chambers): Thank you. Thank you. 837 02:03:46,730 --> 02:03:49,509 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Rajiv Patel, speaking as an individual. 838 02:03:50,140 --> 02:03:56,410 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): First of all, I'd like to commend the town staff and the subcommittee for a detailed review 839 02:03:56,540 --> 02:04:01,739 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): that you have done for what I consider poorly developed applications. 840 02:04:02,380 --> 02:04:06,580 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): That the applicant has provided just to place it on the record. 841 02:04:07,860 --> 02:04:11,709 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): This proposal… Clearly is an urban development. 842 02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:16,209 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): This parcel is a Williamson Act parcel. 843 02:04:17,020 --> 02:04:21,180 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): So, both of these don't go hand in hand. 844 02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:29,720 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): We've heard the client's lawyer talk about, in broad general terms, about Williamson Act. It meant nothing to me. 845 02:04:30,690 --> 02:04:35,900 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): If they would like to respond, I want a specific answer. 846 02:04:36,210 --> 02:04:38,669 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): From the client's lawyer. 847 02:04:39,450 --> 02:04:42,809 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): And that answer should be either in yes or a no. 848 02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:57,540 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Is your client willing to start a removal process of Williamson Act on this parcel prior to submitting such dense urban development proposals? 849 02:04:58,770 --> 02:05:02,130 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): I would consider a non-response to my question. 850 02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:07,330 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): As a fishing expedition by the applicant to just rile up 851 02:05:07,580 --> 02:05:11,700 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Housing advocates with false and incorrect information 852 02:05:12,170 --> 02:05:14,549 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): In the name of affordable housing. 853 02:05:15,590 --> 02:05:22,819 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): The town should find ways to reduce wasting town's resources on such bad actors. 854 02:05:23,090 --> 02:05:24,000 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 855 02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:25,600 Speaker 16 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 856 02:05:29,450 --> 02:05:32,269 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Welcome, John. Let's try to do 3 minutes. 857 02:05:33,250 --> 02:05:38,649 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): In my prior comments, I may have come across as not being particularly supportive of the proposal. 858 02:05:39,610 --> 02:05:46,889 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): And I would like to emphasize, because there was a gentleman that raised a very good point. 859 02:05:47,330 --> 02:05:51,980 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Which is… We actually do need to build Housing. 860 02:05:53,670 --> 02:05:57,279 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): And I want to make it clear for the record 861 02:05:58,030 --> 02:06:02,820 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): that I am 100% supportive of building housing. 862 02:06:04,250 --> 02:06:11,570 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): I would also like to make it clear for the record that in my letter to HCD, which I wrote, earlier this year. 863 02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:25,979 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): I did take an advanced look at the town's APR, which was subsequently transmitted, and I believe that the town is actually on very good track with respect to meeting our commitments under the housing element. 864 02:06:27,020 --> 02:06:29,989 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): However… The key issue… 865 02:06:30,430 --> 02:06:49,019 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Obviously, the key issue for Los Altos Hills, given the economics and everything, is how do we possibly generate the affordable, particularly for very low and lower-income households, how do we possibly achieve that? 866 02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:54,390 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Well, we certainly don't achieve it by following the path 867 02:06:54,630 --> 02:07:12,399 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Of private development, where somebody wants to build 118 units, and they put 6 units in, which are lower income, in order to not get extra units, but to get access to bonuses and concessions and et cetera, to try and waive all of our standards. 868 02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:17,089 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): That is like putting a gun To your own head. 869 02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:34,099 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The way we do it is we get land, and we specifically develop lower-income housing. That's how Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Los Altos, and I will continue… stop continuing to name them. That is what we need to do. 870 02:07:34,220 --> 02:07:42,129 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): So, I… I see the opportunity to find an agreement. 871 02:07:42,980 --> 02:07:47,319 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): On solving the real problems that exist. 872 02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:54,159 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): However, I am going to come back to the point I made on the last proposal. 873 02:07:54,450 --> 02:07:55,890 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The absolute… 874 02:07:56,090 --> 02:08:10,780 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): mandatory first step is for the owner to file a notice of non-renewal. Until then, the town should not even be entertaining this proposal unless they wish to claim that this is compatible use. 875 02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:22,700 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Secondly, Under Government Code 51282, Paragraph B, paragraph 1, Subparagraph 1. 876 02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:26,719 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): That is the paragraph that says that the town cannot 877 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:33,640 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): Consider a request for cancellation unless a notice of renewal has been filed. 878 02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:38,269 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): So, please follow the law. Thank you. Thank you. 879 02:08:38,450 --> 02:08:44,339 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): I would also just like to provide Mr. O'Neill with the reference 880 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:53,350 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): that under density bonus law, 65915, paragraph O, subparagraph 6, that 881 02:08:53,990 --> 02:09:00,550 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): If the town does not specify density in dwelling units per acre. 882 02:09:00,550 --> 02:09:15,619 Speaker 14 (Council Chambers): The town calculates based upon its own standards as to what the base density is, and unless the project conforms to the base density, it doesn't get access to any of the benefits under the density bonus law. Thank you very much. 883 02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:22,130 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Marco, is there anyone online who would like to contribute? 884 02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:24,870 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Marta, please go ahead. 885 02:09:28,260 --> 02:09:35,360 Martha Bowden: Okay, so… The 12-unit subdivision was interesting. 886 02:09:35,860 --> 02:09:41,580 Martha Bowden: But the 118-lot subdivision is crazy. 887 02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:55,030 Martha Bowden: All of the lots are located bunched around one single family lot and abutting two neighbor lots to the west side. 888 02:09:55,430 --> 02:10:05,470 Martha Bowden: This is akin to putting a trailer park in our neighborhood to the extreme financial harm to 3-4 single-family homes. 889 02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:13,160 Martha Bowden: There is no way that… 118 homes. 890 02:10:13,390 --> 02:10:16,950 Martha Bowden: Plus the 2 that are already there. 891 02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:23,060 Martha Bowden: Can safely evacuate in the middle of the night. 892 02:10:23,650 --> 02:10:28,110 Martha Bowden: When a fire rages through, There is absolutely no way. 893 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:31,960 Martha Bowden: Elena cannot handle it. 894 02:10:32,110 --> 02:10:34,599 Martha Bowden: Those narrow streets cannot handle it. 895 02:10:34,780 --> 02:10:40,120 Martha Bowden: This is… I think this is a game, the home… the… 896 02:10:40,350 --> 02:10:43,420 Martha Bowden: The property owner is playing with us. 897 02:10:43,620 --> 02:10:48,299 Martha Bowden: They present one possibility that's 12 lots. 898 02:10:48,490 --> 02:10:56,710 Martha Bowden: And then they present this other bizarre possibility of 119, or 118, sorry. Gotta get the numbers straight. 899 02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:04,609 Martha Bowden: And… With the hope that, oh, we'll throw out the 118 and maybe accept the 12. 900 02:11:05,220 --> 02:11:07,809 Martha Bowden: Without looking at any of the details. 901 02:11:07,990 --> 02:11:10,069 Martha Bowden: Well, I think we're smarter than that. 902 02:11:10,260 --> 02:11:14,930 Martha Bowden: And this neighbor, Has shown, in the past. 903 02:11:15,100 --> 02:11:17,030 Martha Bowden: That they're not a very good neighbor. 904 02:11:17,310 --> 02:11:25,209 Martha Bowden: Because they've tried to put in… in fact, they have put in illegal fencing on the property, they've blocked off wildlife transit. 905 02:11:25,490 --> 02:11:26,660 Martha Bowden: And… 906 02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:37,169 Martha Bowden: When we used to see lots of deer in our backyard on Saddle Court, which is right around the… right over the hillside from them. 907 02:11:37,620 --> 02:11:42,970 Martha Bowden: The last 5 years… 5 to 6 years, we've seen very few deer coming through. 908 02:11:43,530 --> 02:11:47,909 Martha Bowden: So, the deer population has migrated elsewhere. 909 02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:54,329 Martha Bowden: Or, you know, we even… my husband even found a dead deer on Fran Stevenson's path, which… 910 02:11:54,450 --> 02:11:56,400 Martha Bowden: Abuts their property. 911 02:11:57,250 --> 02:11:59,680 Martha Bowden: So… yeah. 912 02:12:00,170 --> 02:12:03,390 Martha Bowden: I… I… hmm. 913 02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:05,640 Martha Bowden: That's all I'm gonna say. 914 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:06,309 Martha Bowden: Thank you. 915 02:12:06,310 --> 02:12:08,619 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Thank you, Martha. 916 02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:13,309 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Anne, please go ahead. 917 02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:22,180 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): N… 918 02:12:26,580 --> 02:12:30,489 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Ann, Dewey, are you, good? There you go. 919 02:12:30,490 --> 02:12:32,199 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: Let me just, 920 02:12:32,660 --> 02:12:50,660 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: applaud John for his remarks in particular, and say once again that if we want to solve the problem of low and very low income housing, let's have the developer show us 921 02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,740 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: an application 922 02:12:53,870 --> 02:13:04,760 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: That solves the problem we have, rather than creating the host of problems that all of you who have spoken tonight 923 02:13:04,990 --> 02:13:06,559 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: have described. 924 02:13:07,170 --> 02:13:09,190 Ann Duwe, Cupertino: That's it. Thank you. 925 02:13:13,100 --> 02:13:16,600 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): I see Couperus online. 926 02:13:19,690 --> 02:13:21,489 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Jitzi, please go ahead. 927 02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,009 Jitze Couperus: Can you hear me? 928 02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:27,590 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Yes. 929 02:13:28,420 --> 02:13:31,020 Jitze Couperus: I just want to drive home. 930 02:13:31,550 --> 02:13:36,149 Jitze Couperus: One thing… That has been made clear tonight. 931 02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:39,789 Jitze Couperus: We have a low income. 932 02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:42,090 Jitze Couperus: housing problem. 933 02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:43,949 Jitze Couperus: We need to solve. 934 02:13:45,060 --> 02:13:53,320 Jitze Couperus: To solve that, We can't… Do it by doing 1 or 2%. 935 02:13:53,630 --> 02:13:57,640 Jitze Couperus: Of all multi-housing development. 936 02:13:58,450 --> 02:14:02,930 Jitze Couperus: We need to, within our town, Come up! 937 02:14:03,210 --> 02:14:07,250 Jitze Couperus: With some dedicated… Multi-housing. 938 02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:08,870 Jitze Couperus: Development. 939 02:14:09,210 --> 02:14:10,640 Jitze Couperus: Devoted. 940 02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:13,739 Jitze Couperus: To low-income housing. 941 02:14:14,010 --> 02:14:20,730 Jitze Couperus: Otherwise, our population has to explode to accommodate it. 942 02:14:21,300 --> 02:14:26,409 Jitze Couperus: That is a fundamental law of physics. 943 02:14:27,340 --> 02:14:31,599 Jitze Couperus: Having said that, I have been waiting. 944 02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:35,260 Jitze Couperus: To say my peace on that subject. 945 02:14:35,790 --> 02:14:40,020 Jitze Couperus: But I'm waiting for a subcommittee to be formed. 946 02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:44,820 Jitze Couperus: On multi-family housing, and placing thereof. 947 02:14:45,550 --> 02:14:51,370 Jitze Couperus: So I'd like to put… The town fathers, on notice. 948 02:14:52,060 --> 02:14:53,539 Jitze Couperus: That I have. 949 02:14:53,740 --> 02:14:55,699 Jitze Couperus: Sitting on my computer. 950 02:14:56,260 --> 02:14:57,890 Jitze Couperus: Two proposals. 951 02:14:58,410 --> 02:15:01,520 Jitze Couperus: Attacking that very problem. 952 02:15:02,100 --> 02:15:09,220 Jitze Couperus: But I'm waiting until there is an appropriate town committee to listen to it. 953 02:15:09,390 --> 02:15:10,470 Jitze Couperus: Thank you. 954 02:15:16,850 --> 02:15:18,170 Speaker 9 (Council Chambers): Thank you very much. 955 02:15:18,175 --> 02:15:24,264 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): And stay tuned, for upcoming City Council meetings. 956 02:15:25,305 --> 02:15:37,144 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Okay, I don't see anyone else, online. Is there anyone else in the room? I don't see that. Why don't we go and ask, Mr. O'Neill 957 02:15:37,735 --> 02:15:41,754 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Would you like to respond to anything you've heard here tonight, so far? 958 02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:53,680 Brian O'Neill: I don't have much, much more to say on the comments that were made. It wears. 959 02:15:53,970 --> 02:16:04,540 Brian O'Neill: some… comments, I… Think are, attacking the, property owners, or me. 960 02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:10,220 Brian O'Neill: Which is fine. So… the… 961 02:16:10,540 --> 02:16:15,359 Brian O'Neill: The owners had previously tried to, utilize the 962 02:16:16,180 --> 02:16:23,389 Brian O'Neill: utilized their property consistent with the Williamson Act contract, which designated it, actually, as grazing. 963 02:16:23,530 --> 02:16:31,049 Brian O'Neill: And fencing is a necessary part of grazing operations to maintain the Williamson Act. 964 02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:33,299 Brian O'Neill: purpose. 965 02:16:33,469 --> 02:16:41,980 Brian O'Neill: That was not permitted, and now is seeking to utilize their property in a different way to provide a benefit to the community. 966 02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:52,330 Brian O'Neill: And our position is that It's not just low-income housing that needs to be Provided. 967 02:16:52,570 --> 02:17:03,840 Brian O'Neill: We need an all-above… all of the above approach to address the housing crisis that the state faces. So that includes both density bonus, mixed-use. 968 02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:08,620 Brian O'Neill: Or mixed income market rate, and… 969 02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:25,139 Brian O'Neill: A project of this… of this type that has smaller lots can create the missing middle housing that is naturally affordable and is not, you know, large estates on… or large homes on one-acre estates. 970 02:17:25,139 --> 02:17:35,539 Brian O'Neill: So, this is… this is a much-needed housing type, and the property owners are trying to do what they believe is… is a benefit to the community. 971 02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:40,639 Brian O'Neill: And so they are proposing this project also to help 972 02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:50,110 Brian O'Neill: again, meet the town's RENA requirements, but again, we do realize that it does… would require a 973 02:17:50,340 --> 02:18:04,209 Brian O'Neill: Discretionary rezoning of the property, so if the town is not interested in a project of this type, then it likely would not move forward, because it would need support of the town. 974 02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:17,709 Brian O'Neill: So, this was being… this was being proposed by the property owners, again, because of the interest that the town has shown in trying to identify additional, housing element inventory sites. 975 02:18:17,889 --> 02:18:18,840 Brian O'Neill: M. 976 02:18:19,180 --> 02:18:22,049 Brian O'Neill: So, that's pretty much all I have. 977 02:18:23,639 --> 02:18:39,229 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Okay, Brian, this is Jay Bradford, Community Development Director again. Thank you for your comments, and certainly want to say thank you to the public that spent a lot of time here in helping identify issues that I think will both make your proposals 978 02:18:39,229 --> 02:19:04,179 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): more well thought through and addressed a number of the concerns here tonight. I would like to address some of the comments that were made through you and through the public comment period, which is the status of the town's housing element, which I'd like to say is a very positive news, which we have a certified housing element. We're compliant with that housing element, and been working through a number 979 02:19:04,179 --> 02:19:17,279 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): number of implementation goals associated with that. And part of that, you know, to Mr. O'Neill's point, is the fact that there are programs that do help to support the building of 980 02:19:17,279 --> 02:19:21,759 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): Projects that include, various, A… 981 02:19:21,759 --> 02:19:46,479 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): AMI levels which tie to affordability within the greater regional areas of Santa Clara County, and those programs do offer incentives if a project qualifies and is complete in its application, and would be willing to work with this particular applicant on any of the number of proposals to be able to show how they align with the underlying zoning. 982 02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:58,999 Speaker 4 (Council Chambers): and the regulations that are germane to those particular properties. Certainly, the town's willing to further discussions associated with projects, with those constraints in mind. 983 02:20:00,100 --> 02:20:01,000 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Thank you. 984 02:20:01,560 --> 02:20:06,089 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Is there any other comments that any of us would like to make at this time? 985 02:20:07,810 --> 02:20:24,410 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): All right, why don't we call an end to this meeting? I thank everyone for joining us here tonight. I thank people who came in on Zoom. I thank Mr. O'Neill for being here and being so forthcoming with his information. 986 02:20:24,580 --> 02:20:28,569 Speaker 2 (Council Chambers): Until the next time. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.