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So I think this is where typically the chair would call the meeting to order, but since we haven't necessarily gotten to that process, I'll step in for the immediate call to order.

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But then, Marco, if you'll do roll call, please.

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If you could all just state your name, and we'll just go down starting with Carol.

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Okay. Carol.

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So with this, what we would ask is that the committee have a little bit of discussion

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among themselves. If you'd like to take public comment, you certainly are able to do so. But then

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from that point forward, then you can bring it back for final deliberations. And then one of you

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can make a motion to be able to elect a chair. If you'd like to do this as a slate, you could

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also talk about the vice chair and secretary as well. But with that, we'll leave it to your

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discussion.

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Sorry, just to kind of introduce ourselves and where we live in town and maybe what

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our top sort of wishes are for this committee are so that we can kind of

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get to know each other a little bit.

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I think that's a good idea.

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Go ahead and start, Cheryl.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm Cheryl Evans.

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I live up at very top at Page Mill and Moody Road where they intersect,

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so not close in town. I am just telling you in advance that I will not accept the

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chair of the committee because I am involved with Friends of the Hills and

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as their chair of their steering committee. My greatest wish for this

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group is that we involve residents and educate them on the housing element

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because we're going to be facing some tough decisions and the more informed our residents are the more likely they are to understand the difficulties that we're facing and buy into the solutions.

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How's that?

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Sure.

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I'm Bernardo Ferrari.

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I've lived in Los Altos Hills all my life.

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I am interested in being a worker bee and trying to help solve the issues relating to the housing element, but I do not believe I'm qualified to be chair of this committee.

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Greg, yeah, do you want to?

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Sure.

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My name is Greg Leonard.

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You can get the button.

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Yeah, I am.

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Oh, there we go.

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My name is Greg Leonard. I am a lifelong native of the Santa Clara Valley. Hard to be much more local.

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St. Clairs, Bellarmine, Stanford, Stanford Law School. How's that for local?

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And I just have, I have lived in Los Altos for 30 years.

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And as I said the other night when we spoke at the City Council meeting, I'm here for the trees.

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Hi,

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I'm Kishnam Dastur.

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I've been here only seven years, so relatively new to the community.

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But I feel like the task is pretty straightforward.

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Not as straightforward as we all think it is, but to kind of navigate the entire state

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mandate while preserving the town, the rural character of this town, we need to really

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We fiercely protect that while navigating through this housing committee.

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I'm happy to be the vice chair and help many of these qualified people who are way more

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qualified than me to be the chair, but I'm happy to step up as the vice chair and help

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in however I can, whichever way I can.

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I'm Lucille Glossman.

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I think I'm a little different than the rest of you.

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I'm here because I'm a little disturbed by how angry everyone has sounded and the

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lawsuits and the disagreements and the dissent. I would like to see our

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community pull together a little more than that. I don't know any of the other

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eight people up here at least I didn't until last week and I hope that we end

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up working together to find a good answer. I have the northmost property in

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Los Altos Hills on basically at the intersection of Foothill and Old

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page Mill Road so I'm way off in the corner.

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Yeah, I'm Bridget Morgan. I have grown up on

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the San Francisco Peninsula. I was raised in San Mateo and in the early 70s moved down here to

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Los Altos Hills to an area which at that point was unincorporated. So I've lived in my home

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for over 50 years, but have only been part of Los Altos Hills since 2007 when

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my neighborhood was annexed because we wanted to put sewers in our four

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streets and the only way that was possible was under California law. We

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had to be incorporated. Anyway, since my area was incorporated, I've paid pretty

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careful attention to Los Altos Hill's politics and governance just sort of an

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interest of mine always has been from the time I was young politics and

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government that is. I do not think I would make a good chair of the committee

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not that I haven't held leadership roles in the past but at this stage in

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In my volunteer life, I think I would be much better deployed as a really strong utility infielder

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Staff I love digging into specific projects. I'm a good researcher

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Fairly competent writer and

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So that's and I think this whole

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housing

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housing element situation here in Los Altos Hills as well as housing statewide is a very

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important topic. And I feel fortunate to be named to this committee and to be able to work

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to help solve the problems that we face.

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I'm Michael Grady. I live near Twin Oaks. I have been very active in trying to end

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In the amendment of the housing element as originally drafted, there was a potential of

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upwards of 450 units on a rastered arrow between the 280 underpass and Page Mill Road, which

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neighbors and myself flagged as a grossly inappropriate concentration, which would have been a nightmare

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in terms of emergency evacuation, traffic, all sorts of problems. I'm very

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happy that the council finally cut back on the potential concentration. We're

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still looking at Twin Oaks, the three lots that are zoned from multi-family,

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have been zoned to enable upwards of a hundred units with density bonus.

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And I think that the town, if you consider the mathematics of relying on pure private

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development on private land in order to get the benefits of density bonus under the state

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law, developers only have to include as little as 5% affordable units.

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And currently based on our recent run rate of ADU units and what we're counting on

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affordable, we have a – looks like a shortfall of about 49 affordable units.

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And affordable is not people on food stamps and welfare, it's people making

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decent salaries from the low end, very low income of $107,000 to over $200,000

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for a family of four. But at 5% in order to get a short or to cover the

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shortfall of 49 units or so, the town would have to rezone to enable 900 to 1,000 multi-family

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units somewhere in town.

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So I think the mathematics makes it very clear that we need to utilize some town-owned land

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And where the town can dictate and work with a non-profit developer or if there's a for-profit

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developer who can build it with land that the town provides for free, that's the way

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to achieve the affordable.

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I'm not lobbying to be chair, but I would serve.

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Sue

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Welch. My family's lived in Los

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Elfos Hills for 38 years. I served in

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the past 10 years on the Open Space

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Committee and another 8 or 10 years on

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the Pathways Committee. I really

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appreciate and I'm interested in

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protecting the natural resources in

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town. I think they're important. They

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will be what make our town look and

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feel the way it does. I've been to

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involved with the housing committee issues or the housing issues since probably mid 2024. I came in sort of late on the thing, but once I realized what was going on, I've been attending many meetings, many planning commission and council meetings and presented public comments at those meetings, paying attention to what's happening.

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I would fully support Mike Grady being chairman of the committee.

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I think it's really important that we have someone who is knowledgeable,

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and there's no question that he's the most knowledgeable of all of us sitting here in this arc.

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I understand that he may be traveling for a short time,

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but a couple of weeks of his absence, I don't think would be a problem.

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The committee has a lot of groundwork to get ourselves moving like a large train starting to run.

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And frankly, you know, the town has dithered for some months before even appointing this committee.

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So I think a few weeks urgency or a few weeks doesn't make a bit of difference.

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So again, I would strongly, or I would nominate Mike Grady as chair. Thank you.

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Thank you, Carol Gottlieb. I've been a resident of the town for 56 years. I grew up in the East Bay in a similar

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environment. And we came to Los Altos Hills and I could once again have a horse.

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And so my husband always said that we bought the property for the horse. But

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I've been involved with the Pathway Committee for off and on for probably

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10 years. I was on Planning Commission for 10 years. I have been an M now on

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the Environmental Design and Protection Committee and the History Committee, and my mission would

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be to try to keep the rural environment while satisfying the state mandates.

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And this has to be done very carefully.

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It's not only done by building, but it's done by looking at our objective design standards.

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And this is something that I'm very concerned about,

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that we get very strong, clear, objective design standards

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for all the things that we have to get done.

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And I am up to here, so I think if Mike wants to be chair,

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that would be fine with me.

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don't want to be chair.

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One person wants to be vice chair.

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And one person doesn't want to be vice chair.

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I would not be a good speaker.

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Microphone?

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If you could repeat that statement.

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Can we nominate Sue to be Secretary?

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I served on the Pathways Committee with Sue Welch for eight years, and her minutes for the Pathways Committee were a thing of my...

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I'm off the obsessive-compulsive disease medication now, so they won't be as good.

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I guarantee it.

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So then I'll make a motion for the slate of Michael Cushan-Sue.

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Second.

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Shall we take public comment?

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Yeah, I would.

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Anybody want to comment? Looks like not. Oh.

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Turn on your.

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Good evening, everyone.

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I'm Jasmine Pombrough. I just wanted to thank all the members of this housing element committee.

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You're taking on an awesome, very difficult, but very important task for our community.

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I just wanted to stress on one point that Cheryl made community education is really important about the housing element.

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I met so many residents who just have been talking about the housing element and they say just say no.

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And so they don't understand so would be really helpful.

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You know, people are really stressed about this so would be really important for education.

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so thank you thank you so much

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seeing no others shall we vote and no one on mine

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either

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okay so Carol Gottlieb Sue Welch yes Michael Grady I'll abstain yes

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Richard Morgan yes well could you repeat your name though what I'm gonna seal

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Thank you. And yes. Noted. I'm Kisham Dastur and I'll see yes too. Noted. In order for a yes.

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Leonard, yes.

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Well congratulations. I

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want to thank everybody up here with me for

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volunteering your time. I know it's going to involve a lot of work going

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forward and a lot of challenges, but thank you all. I'll do my best as Chair. I'm

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going to, not having served on a public board before, asks sometimes for guidance

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from Lucille, but what do we have? We have to choose. We have to choose our

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regular meetings committees are typically once a month is that right regular

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meetings typically and then obviously the committee can schedule other meetings

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as appropriate so could could I just get clarity chair vice chair is vice chair

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is Kush and Secretary Sue Welch. Sue Welch. Okay. Thank you.

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I will throw out generally

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Mondays and Tuesdays are best for me. I don't know what other constraints people have.

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Tuesdays work for me as well. Tuesdays are really bad for me. Mondays are okay. I have two other

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meetings on Tuesday and I'm on a board that meets on Tuesday so I would prefer

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if we didn't meet on Tuesday.

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I'm more open either way I didn't comment on

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time of day I thought I would narrow it down to day.

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Or Tuesdays. Mondays are good.

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Yes Monday is fine. Tuesday is fine.

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I'm considering that all of the things we have to consider. I wonder if it's better to get off

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running and start every other week instead of monthly to start out. What

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was that Bernard? I'm

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sorry. I was wondering if we could meet every other week instead of monthly to start off at

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least until we feel like we have things kind of under control.

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I'm going to be gone for the next three weeks, but I certainly don't have an objection to

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the committee meeting in the interim.

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Do we have a comment from the mayor?

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I'm Roger, but he's just speaking as an individual.

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One thing that we did on the Technology Committee, which I'm just going to share

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with you that worked well for us as we had a regular meeting day and time on Wednesdays

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from five to seven. But we also had an alternate meeting time. So we did the first week as our

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regular meeting and third week as an alternate. And we found that to be pretty helpful in

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case you needed more information, you need to reschedule that way. People already have

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that time kind of blocked off. So just throwing that out as an idea, you might

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I want to consider having your regular meeting on, say,

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a Monday and then maybe week two, for example,

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and have an alternate meeting on Monday in week four.

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And that way, if you have an issue with scheduling

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or you need more information, you have a time

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that everybody already is aware of,

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you don't have to make it easier to schedule.

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Thank you.

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I think, Bernard, you were proposing that we do twice a month anyway.

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What are the rest of you?

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Yes.

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I think we're going to agree.

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How about?

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Yeah, one other thing I would like the committee to understand is we also will have a planning commissioner that will be a liaison to this.

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So one of the things is we want to be able to understand kind of some optionality for their schedule as well.

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They'll be meeting on September 3rd to be able to make their selection.

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So certainly if you guys have some options, then we will then present those to the Planning Commission

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and then based on availability of the Planning Commissioners, they'll make their selection at that point.

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So we'd just like to remind everybody that there is at least one other member that will need to be accounted for in this process.

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What's his role?

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Well, he or she has not been defined yet.

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So they are the liaison.

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So they will be offering insight and feedback

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to the planning commission,

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just like the chair will be offering feedback

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from this committee to the planning commission as well.

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And then also they're more advisory.

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They've spent a lot of time with the housing element

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and then the implementation programs to date.

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so they would be able to offer another part of insight into the process above and beyond what staff

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or the city attorney may offer. So they'll be at our meetings on a regular basis? That's correct.

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Thank you Jay. Brigida, do you think Mondays would potentially work if we were to do say

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first and third Mondays or second and fourth? That would probably be the least conflicting

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of all the days Monday's yeah okay because on a Tuesdays between we've got

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EDPC meetings this then depending on open space pathways things like that everything

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is crazy so yeah thank you anybody have preference for evens for our odds first

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and third or second and fourth so to that point chair we have currently on

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on the first Monday of every month,

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the finance and investment committee

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that typically reserves council chambers

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from four to six PM.

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And then we do have some other committees

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that are the fourth Monday.

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And then we have the public art on the second Monday,

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but that's in a different building.

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So I believe you've got the second and third Mondays

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available.

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Or shall we talk about time of meeting?

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I'm flexible. I'm retired.

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Are you the only one who's still working? Actually it's the third Monday. I have

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to go drop my daughter to college. So the third Monday won't work for me. Only

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That's the only one. Every other Monday, any time works perfectly well.

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What's your thought about meeting during the day and the mornings?

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Yes, that works.

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That works.

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Sure.

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All right. Well, anybody have preferences first and third versus second and fourth?

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Fourth?

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Sorry?

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Is the fourth Monday?

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The fourth Monday?

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The 28th?

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Yes.

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No, I agree. No, so I'm saying it'll be either the first and third or the second and fourth.

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Or we can do first and fourth too. No, first and third, fine. Second and fourth, fine.

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First and third. Okay.

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The first is the seventh, which is a Labor Day. So I'm fine meeting on that weekend if everybody's open.

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I'll be in Europe. Sorry.

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Do you want to do that or do you want to go, since it's Labor Day, do you want to go second

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and fourth?

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We could do second and fourth?

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Maybe we should do second and fourth.

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Sure.

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We can do second and fourth.

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The 14th and the 28th?

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Correct.

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That's for September.

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And then...

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That's for September?

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Yeah.

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And 12th and 26th of October.

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Jay, can you fill me in on the process?

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If we needed to schedule a special meeting and what we need to do.

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Yeah, so regular meetings that we're talking about here will be agendized with a five-day notice with an agenda.

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Anything related to a special meeting would be up to 72 hours in advance and still would require agenda to be posted to be able to discuss items for the committee.

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And then we do have the city attorney online. So if there is any specifics, they're here for the later item. But if there were questions about notification for committee meetings, we can certainly call upon them.

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Thank you.

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I had a quick question. What can we have anybody join online?

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So the meeting currently, as the agenda was posted today, does have online participation.

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So right now we have three participants, our city manager, Cody Einfalt, and then one of our other planning commissioners.

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And then let's see who else we've got.

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One of our council members and another committee member.

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So with that, we will pass over the role to the secretary to be able, with the help of the clerk to post agendas, to be able to make the agenda and its contents.

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And then also that would include the management of Zoom and other accounts that are necessary to do the recreation of the meetings as well as minutes and other things like that that would come from the meeting.

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Can I just ask a question?

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If we're doing some kind of resident education, can we have that be a special meeting that occurs in the evening?

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As noticed, is that?

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That's correct, yeah.

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And I think one of the things that the committee should understand is through this process the community development department did mention that there would be some additional resources that other committees don't have.

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So we certainly understand that there may be needs for additional engagement.

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So whether there's notices, things of that that need to go out,

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then that would come from the community development budget as opposed to the standing committee budget,

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which would be the $1,500 that you have to spend typically as a committee.

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I think Lucille was asking about whether committee members can participate remotely.

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Did I misunderstand?

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I think that was my question.

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Yeah, I think the question was, can the committee members join the meeting online?

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So I think you'll remember the city attorney Steve Mattis mentioned that there are limited opportunities for remote participation.

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And Claire, maybe if you have those particular regulations, I'll defer to you.

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But if you don't have those available to you, then we can certainly provide that information at the next meeting.

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Would you do that via email to all of us, or how would you do that?

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We can.

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Yes.

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That would be great.

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training on the BRADAC procedures and, you know, meeting attendance by remote meetings,

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but also that there is a policy within the town that committees are able to utilize the

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teleconference procedures, not more than two meetings a year.

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That is a town policy, but we can provide some overview introduction about what the

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available teleconference approaches are.

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So if I understand correctly, we can participate because I thought I heard Steve Mattis say we needed to be sick or at some other location.

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Well, some local location, right?

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So, there is a teleconference, it's referred to as the traditional teleconference approach

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under the Brown Act and that requires posting of agenda and...

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Opening your remote location to the public. So there's one method. The other method that you

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were just referencing is the what was referred to as AD 2449 or just cause and that's from

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the COVID remote participation that has evolved to today. You need to have basically a reason

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to participate and the reason includes health reasons. If you're sick, if you had to take

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care of your family, if there is a health emergency, if there is, like, a traveling

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on official business reasons, and that does not require posting at the remote

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location, but it does require that a majority quorum be at a same location

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within the town limits, and that location needs to be open to the public.

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So there's just some differences in the approaches that you can utilize,

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And then there's the town policy about how many remote attendances the committees and commissions, if not, the city council can utilize.

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You've got to hit the button.

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Yeah, I'm going to hit the button.

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The button.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Is that better?

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Given that we're just getting started and Mike's going to be traveling, would it be acceptable for him to be able to attend that first meeting remotely so that we can get started and have him be there?

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Or is that?

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I'm asking for you.

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We haven't talked about time and who knows where I'm going to be.

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I'm going to be somewhere in France.

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But I had just a clarification question.

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Are there any particular formalities other than I'm sick at home, no doctor's note required?

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Claire, do you want to respond?

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Yeah, if you or if a committee member is wanting to utilize that approach, there are some limitations

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about you have to keep your camera on and your audio on the whole time. If there's somebody in

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the room with you who's over 18, you have to disclose that. You have to, at the start of

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provide a general description of why you need to participate in this manner, so

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those are the requirements for joining it that way.

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All right, and when do you provide that general description? Just at the start of

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the meeting that I'm participating remotely because I've got COVID or

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whatever, or do you have to do that in advance?

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So the statute provides it as early as possible, including at the start of the meeting.

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I think the customary practice is to have the body, whoever's doing that as part of the body,

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to say that at the start of the meeting so that the rest of the body and the public is aware.

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Yes, as the secretary, I would ask that the town provide the committee written information about all of this

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so that everyone understands clearly

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and exactly what you can do, what you can't do.

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I would appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Also a note to Cheryl's point that Michael

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can participate remotely as a member of the public

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without actually, since we aren't voting on anything,

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he can call in and be a member of the public.

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He can't run the meeting, but you can still be there.

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And then, Chair, if I may, through you

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to the city attorney.

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Claire, I may have been misremembering the notification for meetings for the agendas for both regular and special.

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I think I was recalling the Planning Commission timing.

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Could you maybe talk about committee timing?

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So the meeting, the posting agenda is under state law.

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It is 72 hours before a regular meeting and 24 hours before a special meeting.

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But in town, our practices, the posting occurs much earlier.

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Like Jay said, the regular meetings, Jenna has posted, well, in advance, five days at

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least.

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And for special meetings, I think that practice is also to post it the Friday before, so

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that gives at least two or three days, but that's part of town's practice, but understay

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all 72 and 24 hours for regular and special meetings.

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And that's not business days, that's include weekends. So if we post on Friday, that suffices.

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Is that right?

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That's calendar days, yes.

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Okay. I mean, I would encourage us to try and post a little bit sooner if we are able to,

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but I want to make sure we're in compliance with the law too.

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We

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haven't talked about specific time in the morning. We just said in the morning, 10 o'clock.

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Works.

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Do we need to make formal resolutions to set times and days?

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Do we have to wait till planning?

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Claire, I believe a vote would be necessary for this.

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Yes, I would advise you to make a motion and take both on the vote.

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So, I move that we have our meetings at 10 o'clock on Monday mornings.

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We have to wait for planning or what can we do that now?

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Okay.

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I just was going to add a little bit of FYIs as far as I looked at the town calendar.

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We have a listening session for planning commission on September the 14th, but that doesn't

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start till 6.

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On the 4th, Mondays, the 28th of September and the 26th of October, we have two different

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groups meeting both in Duxbury as well as here at Berkson Rec and Duxbury and Pathways here,

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but that's at six o'clock in the evenings. So 10 in the morning should be fine. I don't think

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there's a conflict with City Calendar from what I can tell, so yeah. Okay, I'll entertain a motion

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for regular meetings second and fourth Mondays of the month at 10 a.m. for our regular meetings.

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Second.

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Shall we call a roll?

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Yep.

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Carol Gottlieb?

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Yes.

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Sue Welch?

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Yes.

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And I'll do vice chair and chair last.

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So Bridget Morgan?

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Yes.

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Lucille Classman?

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Yes.

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Bernardo Ferrari?

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Yes.

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Cheryl Evans?

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Yes.

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Greg Leonard, please?

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Yes.

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You turned it off, Greg.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Krishnan Dashtar?

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Dashtar.

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Yes.

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Dashtar.

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And Michael Grady?

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Yes.

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I think, Jay, you're up according to our agenda.

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Thank you for the agenda.

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Yes, no problem, Chair.

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So I think because this was the first of what will be many meetings, I don't necessarily

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have a formal presentation for the committee, but I have had a series of conversations

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with individuals that are interested in this topic.

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And I believe that maybe there's some committee members here

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that may have some items that they would like to talk about

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from a housekeeping perspective,

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some perspective that they've seen from other communities

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as it relates to work on the housing element,

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thinking of Carmel and Portola Valley specifically.

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And so one of the things that I've been doing is accumulating materials from members of the community that I plan to send out to this committee so that we can start to look at what those other communities are doing to be able to set some of the hopefully housekeeping procedures.

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And then certainly I would welcome any comments or feedback from the committee with some of those ideas that you may have been coming to this committee with and what you'd like to work on.

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I think obviously we're all kind of aware of what the charter is for this particular committee and what it's going to be looking and focusing on.

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And so with that, I would turn it back to the committee at this point in time.

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If there's anything that you'd like us to start to consider for the next agenda,

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and we can certainly then start to build that list of what you'd like to discuss.

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I just have a question.

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Can you possibly provide for every member on the committee a full recent copy of the amended housing element?

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I guess it was January that it was amended.

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I mean, I printed out some of it, but it's – I don't want to burn up all my tone or

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just get – so I would really appreciate it.

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You're looking for a hard copy?

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Yes, please.

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Yes, no problem.

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And could we have a –

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Is that like 300 or something?

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A copy of the charter?

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Yeah.

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Second.

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00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,720
I've never seen the charter.

468
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,640
I'd like to see that.

469
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:34,810
We have a charter on this committee.

470
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:36,390
We do have a charter.

471
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:42,010
It was adopted in the April 17th meeting of 2026.

472
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:47,670
It appends the charter for the rest of the standing committees of the town,

473
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:51,210
and certainly can provide that.

474
00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:57,470
If you're looking for it online currently, you'd see it in Civic Clerk for the April 16th meeting.

475
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:57,810
Sorry.

476
00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:00,910
And it's an agenda item 6A.

477
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:05,230
But we'll provide a copy of that as well with the housing element hard copy.

478
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:07,210
I don't need a hard time.

479
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:14,510
And could you also provide a copy of the full standing committee resolution that sort of that?

480
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:23,730
I've always found a very helpful document because it kind of spells out quite clearly expectations, dependence policy.

481
00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:24,610
Certainly.

482
00:40:24,610 --> 00:40:31,150
Finally, we will provide the resolution and the staff report that went along with the

483
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:32,290
Council's deliberations.

484
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:36,430
And there may be two staff reports associated with the committee's formation, so we'll provide

485
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:36,970
both of those.

486
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:39,210
Okay.

487
00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:40,130
Just to...

488
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:43,870
Because we didn't even have a standing committee.

489
00:40:44,330 --> 00:40:45,490
Cheryl, you turned yours off.

490
00:40:45,830 --> 00:40:46,890
Look for the red light.

491
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:48,650
Okay.

492
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:51,470
We didn't have a standing committee approved back in April.

493
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:53,910
So how did we...

494
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,450
So the charter was approved.

495
00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:56,370
Okay.

496
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:59,210
So not the actual members of the committee.

497
00:40:59,450 --> 00:41:00,910
That wasn't until just recently.

498
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:03,750
Okay.

499
00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:08,490
I think it might be helpful to let all the committee members know,

500
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:10,330
if they don't already know this,

501
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:13,150
you're asking for a hard copy of the housing element.

502
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:15,570
That's 320 pages.

503
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:16,650
Okay.

504
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:20,450
So as long as everybody understands that, but...

505
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:23,190
That's why I want them to print it out and give it to me.

506
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:37,080
more days reading it so good luck with that well I have a question in terms of

507
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:46,220
I guess Brown act are we able to conduct study sessions and have more

508
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:57,640
informal discussions, brainstorming sessions, or as a formal committee do we

509
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,340
have to operate like we're doing now?

510
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,340
Any time that a quorum of the members are

511
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:13,560
wanting to discuss or have a conversation, have discussion, together

512
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,680
that needs to be in a notice meeting.

513
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:21,500
So you could have had up to four members within any one meeting,

514
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:25,560
but then those members could not then go talk with other members of the

515
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,600
committee in series or in other styles of meetings.

516
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,860
So we just need to notice the meeting then.

517
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:40,640
I'm thinking, for example, if we wanted to have a California

518
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,960
a land trust person come and talk about all the various ways we could do land

519
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,960
trusts. Maybe that's something we could do as a listening session but we could

520
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,600
invite you know the public to come as well. Yeah it sounds like we have to

521
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:06,900
notice everything and yeah okay. When I was on the Pathways Committee there

522
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:14,840
were several opportunities for us ad hoc subcommittee to be appointed that was

523
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:21,620
less than a quorum and we I was sat on one of those subcommittees that met

524
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:26,640
pretty regularly for over a year and there were no agendas or minutes

525
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:36,360
required and or that we provided and I'm assuming that's still the case so

526
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,280
So I do believe the clerk and some of the comments that we've heard from the public

527
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,980
about transparency would, I think, move the committee to want to have published meetings,

528
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:51,640
maybe not necessarily meeting minutes, but maybe action items from a meeting.

529
00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:56,460
Obviously, we'll try to minimize the effort that the Secretary has to do.

530
00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:03,480
But in that vein, then, and certainly, Claire can add color to that as well.

531
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:12,700
Yeah, so ad hoc committees that comprise the flesh and a quorum they're not

532
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,440
subject to the Brown Act so you the committee the ad hoc committee members

533
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:24,020
can meet without having to agendize their meetings but one caution of that is

534
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:27,940
that the ad hoc cannot go and then talk to the rest of the committee because

535
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:35,100
that would very likely constitute a stereo meeting and that's very a risk

536
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:41,440
for them to do that. And the other consideration is, you know, like Jay mentioned, the committee

537
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:48,440
they just want to have these published meetings in order for public participation, you know,

538
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:53,600
and on the topics if somebody is wanting to make a presentation or if you're studying

539
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:59,140
a topic, you know, the committee is most likely desires to have that larger meeting

540
00:44:59,140 --> 00:44:59,760
as a public.

541
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:08,500
Can we assign an individual or a couple of individuals a task of researching something

542
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:12,780
and then bringing that back to the entire committee at a notice meeting?

543
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:22,490
You can. The people who are assigned, you know, they cannot be more in the quorum. And one

544
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:27,870
thing to note is that the ad hoc committee is supposed to be, you know, ad hoc. So

545
00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:32,370
case-by-case basis and they don't have some kind of continuing obligation or

546
00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:38,850
continuing task because then that quickly becomes a standing committee which is

547
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:43,290
subject to the Brown Act so when you know forming these these groups that you

548
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:44,550
you want to consider those.

549
00:45:50,180 --> 00:46:00,600
Is there a summary of the Brown Act that all of

550
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:07,540
same page? Yeah, as we mentioned earlier in the meeting, so we've got on the agenda, you know,

551
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:13,900
general questions tonight, but there will be a formal Brown Act training that will have a participation

552
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:19,980
component for yourself specifically that will result in a certification issued by our City

553
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:27,760
Clerk, which it will meet your state obligations for a duration of time before you'd have to

554
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,880
take the Brown Act training again as an as a refresher. Cool. How soon do we need to

555
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,540
complete that?

556
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:44,300
Hi Cody here. I'm just jumping in. I wanted, I'll touch base with Erika about

557
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:50,120
when we could get our legal team to help schedule that meeting. So all these questions that

558
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,480
you're asking could get answered then. And then to, I believe it was Sue's earlier

559
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,680
question. Yes, we do have some cheat sheets already made for the teleconferencing guidelines

560
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,160
lines that, you know, just summarize everything of all the situations that you might find

561
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
yourself in to be able to utilize the teleconferencing rules.

562
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:12,880
So that could also be distributed along with all the requested documents that you have.

563
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,940
But Michael, to your exact question, let me touch base with just availability of the

564
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:21,060
instructor for the session that we're putting together.

565
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,700
It's something similar to if for the committee members that are on other mitties you've

566
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,340
gone through before. It's going to be an in-person meeting where you could ask all

567
00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:35,480
these in-depth questions. Yeah, I'm just wondering if there's any, you know,

568
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,280
ticking clock that needs to be completed within X number of days of the

569
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:49,080
initial formation of the committee. I'm back the night of September 20th.

570
00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:56,260
Claire, do you know the... The obligation to take training is a year from

571
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,800
So I think we're going to be okay in terms of time.

572
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:01,580
Okay.

573
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:11,900
I did meet with the city attorney yesterday morning and got clarification on certainly the members who are friends of the Hills.

574
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:18,840
And we summarize that and send it back to him for any edits that he might make to it.

575
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:22,800
And as soon as we have that, I will circulate it to everybody on this committee.

576
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:23,600
Okay.

577
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:24,220
I'm sorry.

578
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:24,900
Thank you, Cheryl.

579
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,160
What did you submit to?

580
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,040
An understanding of what it was he...

581
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,240
Cheryl, you've got to speak into the microphone.

582
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Oh, it was just an understanding of how the Brown Act applies to us.

583
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:40,560
And so I'll get that to everybody.

584
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:46,060
We'll review that and, you know, we can provide that to the committee.

585
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,220
And again, this is something we can also cover in the training

586
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:54,400
about kind of transmitting information to the entire committee, kind

587
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:57,610
of

588
00:48:57,610 --> 00:49:00,910
serving that role and having everybody else reply to them.

589
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:04,290
But that's something we can cover.

590
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:11,470
I am Brown Act certified because I've been on other committees.

591
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:17,470
Do I have to certify again just for this committee or when I think it's every two

592
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:20,130
years that you have to certify the Brown Act?

593
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:23,090
I think I have another year.

594
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:30,010
But if I don't, I will take it. But if I don't have to, I won't.

595
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:33,350
You're correct, Carol. You're certified.

596
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:34,850
What?

597
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:37,290
Yeah.

598
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:38,950
Yeah, that's great, Carol.

599
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:40,970
If you are already part of another committee,

600
00:49:41,170 --> 00:49:45,190
then there's no obligation at this point in time until your existing

601
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,590
certification lapses.

602
00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:49,770
And then we would ask prior to that for you to recertify.

603
00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:59,950
As Chair, I'm going to deviate from council's practice and indulge hearing the public out

604
00:49:59,950 --> 00:50:00,590
of order.

605
00:50:01,450 --> 00:50:02,290
Thank you.

606
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:03,930
Mr. Battagio.

607
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:05,650
I'll repay the favor at some point.

608
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:06,290
Thank you.

609
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:07,990
I will hold you to that.

610
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:08,470
All right.

611
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:13,470
I just thought you might want to be aware of one particular issue that's likely to

612
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:16,590
come up, which is reply all.

613
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:23,990
If you get an email and you're part of a committee and you reply all, that could be a Brown Act violation.

614
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:32,890
So it's a good policy to BCC everybody on the committee and just let them know this is going to the full committee.

615
00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:35,710
But I'm BCC-ing everybody. Please don't reply all.

616
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:38,890
Of course, if you're BCC-ing everybody, that's not really an issue.

617
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,250
But it could be like five of them reply to you.

618
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:46,530
So generally, we just discourage replies in general.

619
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:48,050
Thank you, Rajeev.

620
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:59,610
I think shall we take on the agenda for the next meeting?

621
00:51:00,250 --> 00:51:07,110
I will not be here, but I would like, and Jay,

622
00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:09,630
I hate to load more on to you and the staff,

623
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:20,870
But I would like kind of an update on where we are tracking kind of a preview of the mid-cycle

624
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:27,030
review report that HCD is going to get from you sometime early next year or I'm not sure

625
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:29,310
exactly when they expect it to come.

626
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:30,490
Yeah.

627
00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:34,050
So it's part of the annual progress report.

628
00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:39,510
So we do that by the beginning of April, end of April, every year.

629
00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:45,190
So I think we've got a very good document in our APR from this year.

630
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:52,350
The southern cities within California have had to go through the mid-cycle review process.

631
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:58,650
So the APR has already been geared to respond for those cities in the southern part of the state.

632
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:08,770
So, if we provided the APR and there's probably one or two tabs of the APR that are most germane to the committee,

633
00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:14,690
which is our housing planning throughput and then our construction throughput,

634
00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:20,190
and then where our programs stand as it relates to implementation.

635
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:24,650
With those three tabs, there's a few other things that we put into the APR,

636
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:27,650
but I think those are going to be the things that are most interesting to the committee.

637
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:29,210
so we can certainly bring those.

638
00:52:30,070 --> 00:52:31,290
That'd be great. Thank you, Jay.

639
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:35,650
Does that have the addresses of the...

640
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:38,290
It does have addresses associated with...

641
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:41,530
Because I think it's really important to go out and look

642
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:46,450
at some of the ADUs that have been built

643
00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:48,810
and the SB9s that have been built

644
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:53,490
and see what the impact of that is on our community.

645
00:52:53,490 --> 00:53:08,970
So I would, when it was on planning, I always checked out when something was done to see if it was what I thought it was going to look like, it did look like, or it didn't look like.

646
00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:13,070
And I think that gives you a really good idea of the impact on the community.

647
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:23,720
I'd like to put on the agenda just brainstorming what resident education would look like and

648
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:31,920
the questions that we might want to ask residents in terms of their input, like, you know, do

649
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:37,840
they want multifamily housing concentrated in one area or more spread out through town.

650
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:43,220
I'm sure there are many questions that we, or at least we would limit it to a few,

651
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:50,200
but questions that would be helpful for us in terms of understanding what it is the community is wanting.

652
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,840
Surely some of that's already been done.

653
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:57,880
I'd love to know what – I have other things to do than to redo work councils already done.

654
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,820
We've never had a community meeting.

655
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:02,360
But maybe if there is something out there, I'd like to see that.

656
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:17,740
So I do think some of the materials that I'll share with the group do show some of the way that other communities have interacted.

657
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:28,640
I do think that because there has been feedback on the historic practice limiting public engagement,

658
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:36,580
that it would be beneficial for the committee to see how other communities have accomplished that particular task.

659
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:44,480
And it's not something that we've necessarily taken up as a topic between staff or at council's request.

660
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:56,380
So that is some of the information that we certainly can provide in advance of the meeting that could maybe offer a framework for then how you talk about and look at that engagement piece in the future.

661
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:08,720
Good. Specifically, I think you're talking about how other communities have attacked the affordable. Yeah, that would be great, Jay. Thank you very much.

662
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:17,100
Any other thoughts on agenda issues for the next meeting?

663
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:23,840
Are there any ongoing lawsuits we need to be aware of?

664
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,980
And are we allowed to know that?

665
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:30,310
Claire, do you want to take this one?

666
00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:41,830
Um, so the, that is not, we don't, we don't provide briefings of the ongoing cases, um,

667
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:47,590
to, you know, outside of, you know, a closed session with the council.

668
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:55,590
I would say that's not, that's not information that we, we typically provide.

669
00:55:55,590 --> 00:56:07,690
And so, you know, I think that the committee in deciding what items to discuss should focus

670
00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:15,670
on the information that you receive from staff, that's, you know, maybe that comes from

671
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:26,510
from HCD, Bolton's, ABAG guidance, and then in the provisions of the housing program and

672
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:28,410
how best those can be.

673
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:31,710
Claire, I'm going to stop you there.

674
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:39,650
I think it's for this committee to decide what it is we want to attack and what we

675
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:40,050
want to do.

676
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:45,170
So I don't want to have you tell us what we shouldn't look into.

677
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:48,950
I will ask you a question.

678
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:59,150
Is there any reason why this committee couldn't have a closed session with counsel to get an

679
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:13,480
update on the litigations since that is certainly germane to the solutions on the meeting arena.

680
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:28,060
Is there any legal prohibition to us having a briefing from Litigation Council on that

681
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:28,920
in closed session?

682
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:30,760
The,

683
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:42,910
and that scope is the implementation of the housing element, you know, it is up

684
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:48,770
to the city council to decide if that scope would be changed in some way.

685
00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:58,990
And so, it is not our practice to provide that information to bodies that are outside

686
00:57:58,990 --> 00:57:59,590
of the council.

687
00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:07,650
Is there something that you're saying in the resolution establishing this committee that would prohibit that?

688
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,470
If so, I'd like to see it in writing.

689
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:25,260
Well, my understanding of the committee is not tasked with reviewing these litigations and, you know, coming up with strategies that's not as fast.

690
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:31,100
That's the task of the committee is the Housing Element Inventation, which is why I offer approaches

691
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:36,920
that you could look at that issue in discussion of implementing the Housing Element Programs

692
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:38,520
and goals of policy.

693
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:39,480
Excuse me.

694
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:47,620
Claire, is the issue that there are confidentiality issues with related to litigation?

695
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:55,600
I mean, because otherwise, if litigation has been initiated, all the documents should be

696
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:06,060
public and go look in the judicial calendars and find the cases that are in file.

697
00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:10,780
So I don't quite understand what it is that you're protecting.

698
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Well, the core doc,

699
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:22,480
the strategies and the thoughts behind it.

700
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,720
Nobody's asking for strategy.

701
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:28,900
We're asking to be a briefed on what litigation is there and what the topics are and how it

702
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:30,660
might impact what the committee does.

703
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,040
We're not asking for legal strategies.

704
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:35,560
Oh, wow.

705
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:36,820
I heard differently.

706
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:42,340
But if you're providing, if you're asking for summaries of the cases, you know,

707
00:59:42,340 --> 00:59:53,480
there are, we, you know, report, we reported them as a part of public meetings in short

708
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,780
form, you know, the documents we can provide them to you. The core documents are public

709
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:58,040
boundary.

710
01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:01,150
And I could just.

711
01:00:01,630 --> 01:00:12,550
You're just, you cannot, this committee cannot and will not step into dealing with the strategy

712
01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:15,490
of litigation. That is not our job. We can't do that.

713
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:23,670
I'd like to see, given the issues that have been raised and some litigations that I've

714
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:27,110
seen, I think it is very germane to

715
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:38,180
how the town is going to have to solve the housing

716
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:41,620
element and the arena, how it's going to meet its arena.

717
01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:57,630
Maybe we need to, well, I'll review the resolutions and the charter and we'll leave

718
01:00:57,630 --> 01:01:04,370
that open for further discussion whether we are able to get a confidential

719
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:06,490
briefing. Yeah

720
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:14,390
just from an advisory standpoint just let you know as planning

721
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:18,130
commissioners we don't get to learn about the litigation either. I think

722
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:22,810
actually you have more privilege as a private citizen figuring some of that

723
01:01:22,810 --> 01:01:28,870
stuff out than we've been. I just had Marco also find the resolution that has

724
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:33,050
the charter for the committee, and maybe he can display it for you as well.

725
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:39,310
So you kind of see the marching orders that was in the resolution from April 16th.

726
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:43,710
I'll take a look at that afterwards, and I want to take the time to do it.

727
01:01:43,790 --> 01:01:43,990
Okay.

728
01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:44,710
Thank you.

729
01:01:44,770 --> 01:01:44,990
Tonight.

730
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:53,800
But to the chair's point, certainly if there's other communications less sensitive

731
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,700
in nature from HED, things of that nature will provide an update of where we are

732
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:04,220
at with those forms of communications at the next agenda.

733
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:05,920
Thank you, Jay.

734
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:13,500
I was wondering, can we have a roster of the committee members with the emails and telephone

735
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:17,280
numbers so we have an easy way of communicating?

736
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:22,620
I believe the clerk has that information, so we'll share that as well.

737
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:23,800
Thank you.

738
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,360
Is that enough for the next?

739
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:31,680
Can you hear me?

740
01:02:34,970 --> 01:02:35,050
Yes.

741
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:39,870
There's a planning commissioner online, Rajiv Patel, asking to speak to the committee.

742
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:42,010
Sure, Mr. Patel.

743
01:02:42,910 --> 01:02:46,130
Hi, this is Rajiv Patel speaking as an individual.

744
01:02:47,850 --> 01:02:50,610
Just a few points based on what you're talking about.

745
01:02:50,610 --> 01:02:59,610
As you know, there will be a formal Planning Commissioner liaison provided to this committee.

746
01:03:00,570 --> 01:03:07,790
I would say lean on that person to help you with any questions regarding Brown Act or

747
01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:14,570
any items even around housing element because the Planning Commission has been discussing

748
01:03:14,570 --> 01:03:16,090
that for a very long time.

749
01:03:16,090 --> 01:03:24,950
And I'm hopeful that that person should be officially and formally available by your next meeting.

750
01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:41,290
For Brown Act messaging, for instance, what a lot of us on the Planning Commission do is to send a message to either the town staff

751
01:03:41,290 --> 01:03:51,330
staff or Erika and then have that person distribute that message to everyone on the committee.

752
01:03:52,210 --> 01:03:57,630
This helps in preventing any issues with potential Brown Act violations.

753
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:59,890
So this is just a thought.

754
01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:08,450
If any of you talk outside the meeting with another member, one recommendation I would

755
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:17,970
also provide is that at the next meeting, talk about who you talked with and make that a public

756
01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:24,270
record so that it's clear that it was not a Brown Act violation. You talk to maybe one,

757
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:32,950
two, or less than the quorum number of members outside this meeting and you should be good.

758
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:46,410
So, just some tips on how to, you know, get your work done faster and lean on people who have done this before and it will help you all. Thank you.

759
01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:48,810
Thank you, Ruzi.

760
01:04:50,770 --> 01:04:56,690
If I understand where we are next item on the Agenda Brown Act and meeting procedures, that's coming later.

761
01:04:57,690 --> 01:05:02,190
Well, so you had a lot of those questions that we were hoping to field kind of ad hoc.

762
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:04,530
So I believe we've addressed that item.

763
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:08,510
Next is public comment.

764
01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:17,930
Thank you all for being here and does anybody have anything to say from the public?

765
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:20,510
This is Rajiv again, one more public comment.

766
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:29,410
It would be great for you to discuss among yourself precisely what your agenda topics

767
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:30,650
for next meeting are.

768
01:05:31,090 --> 01:05:34,770
That will help your secretary in putting together the agenda.

769
01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:41,090
And it will also clarify to all of you as to what you want to discuss next time.

770
01:05:41,530 --> 01:05:46,250
Clearly, you will be able to add more agenda topics outside the meeting, but it might

771
01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:47,050
be a good start.

772
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:48,010
Could

773
01:05:50,890 --> 01:05:52,750
I add one more item for our agenda?

774
01:05:53,490 --> 01:06:08,570
And that is just maybe brainstorming the kinds of information that we might need in terms of, you know, having a listening session with a nonprofit developer or a listening session with a community land trust person.

775
01:06:08,570 --> 01:06:16,290
And just kind of a list of things that we might want to explore in future meetings so

776
01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:21,690
that we can then begin contacting those resources or whatever and scheduling them out.

777
01:06:28,940 --> 01:06:33,880
Let me summarize what I think we have for the next meeting agenda.

778
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:42,060
We were going to get a progress report from staff on kind of where we are in meeting

779
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:47,720
the housing element and rena numbers kind of up to date.

780
01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:51,340
Cheryl, you had said

781
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:55,880
brainstorming resident education I think will add resident and committee

782
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:06,160
education as a discussion session. And these are not necessarily in the same

783
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:13,820
order. Jay also said he would be providing information on how other communities have dealt

784
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:27,640
with meeting their arena for affordable housing. And I am still interested in

785
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:32,510
a status update

786
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:38,030
on litigation, but perhaps leave that off of this next one since I won't be here.

787
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:45,490
So those three items, is that sound?

788
01:07:46,570 --> 01:07:58,690
And I think the last one that Shira mentioned about needing to listen to sessions with, like, land developers and or...

789
01:07:58,690 --> 01:08:01,710
Yeah, I just kind of added that into brainstorming.

790
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Sounds good.

791
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:10,120
We need a resolution to...

792
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:11,160
We don't need a...

793
01:08:12,020 --> 01:08:12,620
Oh, sorry.

794
01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:14,740
Sorry, are you still in public comment?

795
01:08:15,740 --> 01:08:16,140
Sure.

796
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:17,620
Can I be a public comment?

797
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,280
No, just to help you guys along a little bit.

798
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:24,780
There are a couple of really great resources I would recommend everybody on the committee to take a look at.

799
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:31,780
Our town website specifically has a housing element in the various iterations that we went through, including the final one.

800
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,620
And the town website is kind of a good place to kind of get started.

801
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,100
But I will say I am old school.

802
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:38,920
I love hard copies.

803
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,680
This is the most current housing element, and you see it's all flagged and tagged.

804
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:45,720
You just see my municipal codebook.

805
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:47,400
This is equally as bad.

806
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,700
It just helps because when you're looking at things electronically, you can't go back and forth as easily,

807
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,060
and this just helps you to get more of a visual and organize your brain around.

808
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:59,360
So sometimes paper's not all that bad.

809
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:03,900
The other thing I wanted to mention to you too, to think about hearing your next agendas,

810
01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:12,200
is that we have E11 dealing with incentives for lower income housings going to be on our agenda for the next planning commission meeting.

811
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:22,300
It's pretty complicated. Even us as commissioners really like, you know, we're not specialists when it comes to knowing about how to incentivize developers to create affordable housing.

812
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:26,640
So that's a great one. We could use some home or gone from everybody.

813
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:35,840
And another one is program A12, which is the duplex and triplex, which we have are so behind the A-ball, we didn't mean for it.

814
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,740
It's due in Q1 of 2027.

815
01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:46,260
And that's a whole can of worms that we have yet to open up, and we really need your focus on that.

816
01:09:46,340 --> 01:09:48,920
So if you want some extra homework, there you go.

817
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:50,060
Anyway, thank you.

818
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,360
I have a question.

819
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,100
You're saying that's the housing element in front of you?

820
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:54,760
Yes.

821
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,060
I just finished reading it online, it was 300 pages.

822
01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:00,300
That is by no way 300 pages.

823
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,580
Yeah, it's close to it.

824
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:03,240
Oh, really?

825
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,340
Yeah, I've got – well, that is –

826
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:06,580
You have a really thin paper.

827
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:13,120
Yeah, this – I basically – this is the last one that – before it changed again.

828
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,120
So it might have gotten a little thicker, but this is close to 280, I think.

829
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,980
But this one here is as of September 25th, 2024.

830
01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:28,940
So it probably has a few more visions to it, but yeah, I didn't want to torture staff and all I want two copies

831
01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:34,120
I want the original one that we had and the latest one that I've been working with which is this is good enough for my purposes

832
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:39,220
But yeah, they yeah, it just helps to have paper sometimes not always

833
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,920
Yeah, just so I understand the you said E11 and E12

834
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:46,860
E11, A12

835
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:52,340
A-12. Yeah. The duplexes, triplexes and incentives.

836
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,540
A-12. Suggesting that we add them to our agenda immediately or that we go read about them.

837
01:10:58,620 --> 01:11:03,640
No, just read about it and start thinking about it because that is going to be our homework assignment.

838
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:06,960
There's planning commissioners here for the next three to four months.

839
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:14,260
And maybe Jay can help that that also kind of to the forefront of the discussions that he presents at the next meeting

840
01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:17,740
because we're going to be needing some help, basically.

841
01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:21,580
So the more brains around this, the more we appreciate that.

842
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:22,360
Thank you so much.

843
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:23,060
Brigida.

844
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,420
The meeting on the E-11, there's a 1 o'clock meeting next,

845
01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:31,000
and then there's the regular plan.

846
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:32,220
Yeah, it's an all...

847
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:35,060
We have, I think we're up to 11 agenda items,

848
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,520
and so we're starting at 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

849
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:38,260
Okay.

850
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:42,080
We do get an hour break, and then it starts up again at 6.

851
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,900
I think the agenda will be put in such a way where we have certain items assigned

852
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:51,820
before the dinner hour and certain items assigned for after the dinner hour. And I think Jay can

853
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:56,900
expand upon that. Yeah, so the E-11 item will be in the morning session, so the 1 p.m. slot.

854
01:11:57,620 --> 01:12:00,760
Okay, thank you. Yeah. Excuse me, what's the date on that? That's

855
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,140
September 3rd. Yes, September 3rd, which is a Thursday, I know.

856
01:12:04,140 --> 01:12:15,000
Jay, I saw on the notice of that meeting that the report on the E-11 incentives would be

857
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,520
available a couple days before or something.

858
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:20,180
That's not available now.

859
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:27,640
It'll be ready for Friday's publication, it's still in concept phase.

860
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,220
Yeah, I imagine.

861
01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:35,200
Any way I could ask you to email me a copy directly.

862
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,800
Oh yeah, no problem.

863
01:12:36,980 --> 01:12:37,520
That'd be great.

864
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,820
I will read it somewhere in Europe.

865
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:50,700
Any more public comments, staff updates?

866
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,200
Jay, is there something on this one?

867
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:53,600
Well,

868
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,720
so we've already heard about E-11 and A-12.

869
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:10,700
One of the other ongoing items that we've been talking about, and so just to kind of give some context, the housing element has 60 programs to implement.

870
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:21,140
We've implemented to date all except for two of the required programs in the timeline, and that's going to be E11 and then A6.

871
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:30,020
A6 is tied to our inclusionary housing policy, and we receive some information from other

872
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:35,800
members of the public that had questions as it related to the results of the study,

873
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,860
and then the potential actions that were being recommended to the Planning Commission.

874
01:13:41,380 --> 01:13:47,320
So we do need to come back with that item, though we will not have it prepared on the

875
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:48,500
September 3rd date.

876
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:52,740
So what you will see is that we've noticed it with the anticipation that we would be ready.

877
01:13:53,380 --> 01:14:00,120
There's some additional work that we need to do, so you will see that item either continued or withdrawn.

878
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,840
But know that it is something that we are very close to finishing,

879
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:14,460
but we still need to have a resolution approved by the Planning Commission as well as then two subsequent actions with City Council.

880
01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:21,800
It's been a topic that from the study's perspective has been going on for about a year and a half now.

881
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:34,640
And we've had multiple meetings with both the Planning Commission committees to other committees and then the City Council as well.

882
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:43,560
So we had hoped to have this meeting on this item in August, but that's when we ran into some of the public comment

883
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:49,720
that's caused us to have to do a little bit more analysis associated with that comment and to be able to respond.

884
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:59,340
So I would just note that those are really where we're at from a implementation of the policies perspective.

885
01:14:59,340 --> 01:14:59,580
Thank you so much for being active.

886
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,080
Which means we're in a fairly decent place as it relates to the overall implementation goals associated with the housing amount.

887
01:15:06,820 --> 01:15:08,780
Can you remind me what's A-12?

888
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,480
A-12 is inclusionary housing. So there is a...

889
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,660
A-12 is the conversion of the...

890
01:15:16,660 --> 01:15:22,080
Oh, sorry. A-12 is duplexes and triplexes. Conversion of single-family homes, duplexes and triplexes.

891
01:15:22,420 --> 01:15:24,380
A-6 is the inclusionary.

892
01:15:26,130 --> 01:15:26,870
Thank you, Claire.

893
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,180
Thank you, Jay.

894
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,860
Any comments from the committee?

895
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:48,760
We have three land use committees that are very much in need of new blood in them.

896
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:49,760
We are short.

897
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:51,360
Most of them are four.

898
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,300
We have four or five members.

899
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:58,380
And also I'll include history, which is a very interesting.

900
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:01,160
You've learned a lot about the town.

901
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:09,160
If anybody has some extra time and would like to join it, we would love to have you.

902
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,000
It's very interesting.

903
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:18,940
The land use committees, especially, will see almost all the applications over 900 square feet.

904
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,080
So you get a very good perspective of town.

905
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:31,720
And you learn the different things about drainage and all the other aspects of development.

906
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:38,160
So I would really think it would be great if a couple of you can join one of our committees.

907
01:16:43,170 --> 01:16:50,930
Okay. If there's nothing else, I think we can adjourn on time, even ahead of time.

908
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:52,790
Thank you so much.

909
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:54,950
Good job.

910
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:55,410
Thank you.

911
01:16:55,670 --> 01:16:55,890
Thank you.