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We have a quorum of the board. Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we do. Thank you. I'd like to call the April 18, 2022 meeting of the Losan Agency Board of Directors to order for a few virtual meeting reminders before we begin. Our rule call vote will be required for attendance and agenda items requiring board action. Board members, please state your name for the record and staff. Please state your name and job title for the record.

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The audio live stream has a 60-second delay from the live proceedings.

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Members of the public will recognize to speak during appropriate public comment opportunities.

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Madam, could you please conduct the attendance roll call?

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Good morning, members. This is Alison Cheshire, the clerk of the board, and I'll call the roll.

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Chairman Hart.

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Here.

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Vice Chair Edson.

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Director Ektronock.

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Ektronock here.

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Director Frank, here. Director McDonald, here. Director Malsca, I'm here. Director Miller,

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here. Director Murray, here. Director Reed,

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Director Strong, here. Director Telemontes,

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Director Ken too.

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Here. Director De Camille.

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Mr. Chairman

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you have a quorum. Thank you that clerk appreciate that. Would you all please rise and join

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Director Murray and Pledge of Allegiance.

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Place your hand over your heart and to move to the

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the greatest symbol of freedom in the world,

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ready to begin.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

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of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, under God,

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the individual with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you all.

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We are at now at item number one,

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which is an agreement for legal services

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with Hanson Bridget.

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And just as a preface to this item,

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let me just give you a little bit

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additional information. This item is important because we have an apparent conflict of interest

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with the Orange County Transportation Authority's legal counsel who obviously has their

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primary counsel of our clients, the Orange County Transportation Authority, and there are some issues

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that are happening and have occurred in the last couple of weeks that are complex and have many

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different elements related to the low-sade by-laws, the administrative services

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agreement with the Orange County Transportation Authority, and our board, I

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believe, needs independent legal counsel to assist us in working through those

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issues. This isn't prejudging any outcome in any way, it's simply acknowledging

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that there is a conflict of interest between the Orange Transportation.

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Point of order, Mr. Chair. Point of order. Yeah, because you're announcing this as a conflict of interest that's a personal matter and under the brown act. We are a brown act agency as an agency of the state.

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This has to be an executive session.

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No, I don't think so. I think that a legal services agreement is a properly publicly discussed item.

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And, you know, really this is very simple, it's just a question of, you know, do we need independent legal representation for us to proceed forward and work out these issues with the Orange County Transportation Authority.

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And I think, you know, as a independent government agency, we have a responsibility to have legal representation in this matter.

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and or as does the Orange County Transpitation Authority have the right to have legal representation.

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Since they have the firm of the Orange County has retained Woodruff's

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Rattlin and Smart and Mr. Donish represents the Orange County Transpitation Authority.

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We need to have the independent representation.

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Director Reed, did you have anything you'd like to add?

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Yes, I would like to raise the motion to where we are requesting O-C-T-A and it's a council.

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Please retain council for us and that we recommend Hanson Bridges.

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which is, excuse me, and would appreciate very much their courtesy in making such an appointment retainer.

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Thank you, Director Reade. I'll be back in the back.

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Chairman Reade and our interim and heart and director Reade, this is Kathy Trafasonian.

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I'm the Assistant General Counsel for Losan.

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May I make a couple points to address the perceived conflict and the emotion on the table?

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So to the extent that there is an apparent conflict of interest between OCTA's councilful

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providing legal services for LOSAN, that conflict was essentially waived by the execution

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of the administrative support agreement, which I will refer to as the ASA between OCTA and

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LOSAN.

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and the ASA requires OCTA to provide general legal services

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as well as special council services.

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We have proceeded under this manner

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for the past almost 10 years now since 2013.

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And any time an actual complex of interest arises

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during our representation,

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which it has on two and only two occasions,

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it then falls to my professional legal ethical rules

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of conduct to govern that complex of interest. And one that has occurred, we have retained

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special counsel. It has occurred on only two occasions and it relates to the negotiation

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of the ASA between Losan and OCDA. We still have our special services or our special

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counsel services under contract and we can provide those at any time. But if James and I are

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We are in a position where we believe that we cannot handle, we cannot represent those clients and we would retain special counsel services and we had.

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With regard to a recent conflict of interest, this is the first time that I'm being advised by the board that there is a concern about a conflict of interest and we would be happy to address those conflicts.

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and individual briefings with board members

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to be exempted to that involved

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with Attorney Client Privilege discussion.

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But if there is an actual conflict of interest

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or a perceived conflict of interest

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that the board would like us to bring in special counsel,

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we can always bring in special counsel

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to represent the low-sam board.

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As the mayor of the discussion today

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on whether or not to approve an agreement

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for legal services with Hanson Bridget,

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I cannot provide any sort of legal advice on that item because I myself have an STCC conflict

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of interest because it involves a financial interest.

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So I will have to refuse myself from providing any sort of legal advice on that.

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But to the extent that I can answer any questions about whether a previous conflict has existed

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or if you would like my firm to bring in special counsel to handle a particular situation,

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and represent Losan for a particular conflict situation

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that you believe presents a conflict.

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Then I can do so through my contract or OCPA can do that

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through their procurement rules.

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And I would defer to OCPA's leadership

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who is also on the call to answer any questions

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about OCPA's procurement policies and rules.

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Thank you, Ms. Trappazonian.

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I see directors, number of directors have hands up.

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Director McDonald.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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I am and very disappointed in this action on several fronts.

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One, I asked her a staff report last week if there was one and I got it about 25 minutes

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before the meeting this morning.

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I'm one of those who likes to read staff reports ahead of time and research things and do

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a little background and I didn't get the opportunity to use that because of that.

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Secondly, it appears that the staff report was written by you, Mr. Chair, and sent us

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by Jason Jewel. I supported you as becoming chair. I thought you were suited for the job,

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but in my mind, chair is not a person that does staff reports, nor reaches out to firms for

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representation. I see no RFP, no RFQ, who is just a matter of a recommendation that we hire a firm

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potentially at about $1,600 an hour if they use both attorneys. I see no comparison to other firms.

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And the term conflict of interest is subjective where in some people's minds are maybe a conflict in my mind. I'm not so convinced.

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I just have problems with this on all kinds of different fronts.

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I think it's inappropriate. I think it's being made to be an emergency when I don't believe it is.

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And I have no intention of supporting this in any way, shape or form.

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Most include my comments. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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So,

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German Hart and the A make a comment,

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German Hart appears to have left the meeting.

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He's still on my screen, but I don't see him.

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No, I see a blank space with his name.

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Well, let's give him a few minutes to rejoin the meeting here.

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Obviously, there's a technical problem.

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But if it takes very long, then presumably the vice-chairman will take over the meeting.

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But let's give Chairman Hart an opportunity to figure out what's wrong and get back on the meeting.

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That's my recommendation.

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I was muted. I think that's a perfect recommendation.

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and give sure hard a few minutes to get over any technical difficulties he might be experiencing

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and can someone check the waiting room to make sure he's maybe trying to get in.

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Yes, Dr. Edson, we're checking for him to come back in but we don't see him on the list of attendees yet.

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I'm going to text him.

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I think it's 10.13 now. Let's wait till about 10.15. I texted him.

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He's not backed by 10-15. We'll just proceed. We're bringing him back in right now.

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Awesome. Thanks.

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Can you hear me? I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. There we go.

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We can hear you. Hear you. Hear you. Hear you. Hear you.

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But it's causing an echo. Which is okay. It's better than nothing.

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Welcome back. Mr. Chair.

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Go on again.

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Chair Hart, can you hear us?

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right. Well, I apologize for that inexplicably my computer rebooted and it took me a minute to get back into the meeting. So I apologize

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It's technical difficulty

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Director McDonald's made a couple of statements that I want to clarify

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Number one, I asked that these two items be put on the board agenda last Wednesday in a meeting with Mr. Jewel and his

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And they were very responsive and there was plenty of time to get, you know, a staff report out. I did not write this staff report.

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Mr. Jewel apparently did.

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And I was distressed and surprised that it took so long to get this staff report posted to board members. I spoke with Mr. Jewel late Friday afternoon.

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And I know that the legal services agreement from Hanson Bridget got to the Orange County

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Transportation Authority before 5 o'clock on Friday afternoon.

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I would have hoped that the Orange County Transportation Authority clerk would have

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been able to post these materials as Mr. McDonald was requesting.

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But I don't control how the staff does its work.

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And the result was the posting of the few minutes before the meeting today, which frankly

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just disappointed in. So I just wanted to directly address Director McDonald's concerns that the chair was out of being outside of the authority, but I think that it is clear on its face that there's an issue that we need to resolve and the way to do that is to have independent legal counsel.

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As Ms. Trappisonian referenced, the Orange County Transportation Authority has a process for hiring independent council in a conflict situation. That's a perfectly acceptable alternative solution.

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We just need independent council and if they have a

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On public list, you know, I'd be curious if handsome bridges is on that list. That would be a great solution. If they are not, and there are other firms, you know, I think that will solve the problem as well. So, Director McDonald, does that answer your concerns?

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Sure. Thanks for so much. I still have no intention of supporting this request. All right. Thank you, Director McDonald. I think that Director Strong was next, or excuse me, Director Murray was next, and then Director Strong.

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Good morning, colleagues.

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So I too, I'm very, very disturbed by this action.

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I want to thank our legal counsel for clarifying the appropriate

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manner to handle potential conflict of interest.

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I personally think that we are proceeding in a very, very dangerous path.

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They're normally based upon my 10 years of experience on this board.

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where anything where we would go for an outside agency to consider for services is done appropriately through a procurement process.

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None of us have any knowledge of this particular firm other than you Mr. Chair and maybe one or two others, but we do have an appropriate manner in which we move forward with conflicts of interest.

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and as our legal mentioned, we had two prior cases where our legal counsel utilized the appropriate

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measures to hire outside counsel and they did that on their own without any requests from our

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board. So they certainly were moving forward with the appropriate ethical action. I'd also like to

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deferred to our CEO of Orange County Transportation Authority, Mr. Johnson, the comment on this because

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again, a lot of this is within staff's knowledge of anything that might potentially even touch on

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a conflict. So I think it's important for CEO from the Orange County Transportation Authority,

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who's on board today to maybe share some comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Director Murray.

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Director Strong?

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Chairman Hart, I would like to hear Director Johnson's or CEO Johnson's comments because

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I was going to bring up a few things like the Brown Act and requiring us to go out to

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bid for such a thing, but if they already have a list, if we have established, so their

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satisfaction if there is a conflict, then I would see that as an appropriate procedure

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rather than just making a recommendation, although I guess we can still make a recommendation

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with our consideration in the process.

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So I would like to hear from to you Johnson myself.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

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Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

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Mr. Johnson, would you like to thank you Chairman Hartle.

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I'll make it quick.

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I think Cassie, Trappisonian, covered it, but I'll just emphasize two points are existing legal services agreement with with with just Freyland and smart to

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bring in.

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Special counsel for any number of circumstances, specific projects, conflict,

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a desire, if the low sample were desires, from a conflict standpoint to have additional counsel.

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That can be asked for and as Cassie indicated has been done twice before and we would be able

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to process that under the existing contract issues or concerns.

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If there is a desire to procure as Cassie indicated, she would need to step away from that,

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but we would be happy to follow the proper procurement policies in place to do that as well.

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But in summary, our contract with Woodruff Freyland and Smart, broad latitude to bring

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in special counsel as needed.

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it. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Director Murray or Mueller.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know, I'm probably typically new on this board. I've been

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an alternate in the past for the first years as an actual director. And it's concerning

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to me that we would get a staff report and I concur with Director McDonald and thank you

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for some of the clarification on the timing of this. But I still don't know what this conflict

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is this is really the first time I've heard about it and we're being asked to procure special counsel

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for a conflict and I'm not even aware of what these issues are. And so that's troubling to me

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on why we're having this conversation at all without some kind of documentation on what the real

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problems are. And I don't know if you can discuss that out here or Cassie may be able to bring that

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up that maybe that's something we need to talk about in closed session but this is difficult for me.

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I think I've read the ASA, I've read the JPA, and it's quite clear that OCCA can provide these

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these legal services. I'm not sure what we're here talking about. Thank you, Director Miller.

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Director Tullavan says, Director Hart could tell me what this conflict is. I mean, we have to go

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closed session. That's where it needs to go, then that's where we can talk about it.

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I don't think we need to close session. The conflict is that the Orange County Transportation

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Authority terminated the agency's managing director and there is a difference to the opinion

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or there is confusion or there is lack of clarity about the roles and responsibilities of this board

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in that action and I'm not prejudging the outcome of that conversation but

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there are conflicting provisions between the bylaws of the Losan agency and

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the administrative services agreement that we need to resolve and we need

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independent counsel to represent the Losan board in that conversation and so this

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is a pretty simple matter you know we need we need to work collaboratively with

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Lawrence County Transportation Authority to resolve these issues, amicably and civilly

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and responsibly and collaboratively, and in order to proceed forward to do that, we

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need independent council.

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And the path that was described by Ms. Trapezonian, where they have a conflict of interest procedure

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to use within the legal services agreement that they currently have, is a viable option as

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well.

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this, you know, the proposal to have this particular firm with a solution to the problem,

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it is not the only solution to the problem, and I am welcome, I welcome an alternative solution

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that has board support, but the conflict is there are competing elements of the two governing

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documents that need to be resolved to the board's satisfaction as we proceed forward in partnership

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with the Orange County Transportation Authority.

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Yes, thank you.

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Thank you, Director Millen.

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Director Tala Montez.

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Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

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There appears to be some confusion among four members.

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And this was a simple request in regards to what happened

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to our managing director.

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The CEO of OCTA, which he's online right now, didn't even bother to make

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from my awareness, didn't even bother to make a call to our chair to let him know what was going on.

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So this came out of left field somewhere in regards to the termination.

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And I'm not even sure and clear she's our employee.

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In past times, I guess that executive committee approved an employee, like for example, this past managing director.

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I was only on for a few months when that would happen.

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The executive committee came back to the board and said,

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this is who we want.

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But, so that's the hiring process.

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Now, when it's a termination process,

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the board doesn't have any say, apparently,

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because it just happened.

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The OCTA-TO has the say,

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because he went forward and let our managing director go.

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without even advising the board, or the chair.

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I don't even care if the advice is entire board.

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They'll easily make a phone call to the chair

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and say, this is the way I'm going.

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And these are the reasons why.

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That wasn't even done.

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I mean, from a professional standpoint,

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you know, we're talking about professionalism

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and it's time to look at that joint powers agreement.

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It's time, it's been nine years.

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In the beginning, it was perfect.

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It was a perfect document.

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But now, nine years later, a lot of things have transpired.

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Things have changed.

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It's time to look at it again with a set of clear eyes.

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And that's the reason for the hiring

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of somebody different.

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A council coming from the outside looking in and saying,

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telling us if we're wrong or right or indifferent.

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Somebody that's been involved with this thing from the beginning

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is not going to be looking at, from my perspective,

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on my experience of different boards and commissions and city council, you have to have a clear set of

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eyes coming in to evaluate the situation. It's okay to go wrong, but it's not okay to stay well.

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That's been my, that's what I've said for years. Thank you Mr. Chair.

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Thank you, Director Thomas. And I will confirm that I was not informed of the action that Mr.

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Dodson took to terminate our executive director and I don't believe any members of the board were

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prior to that decision. Director Ektronon.

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Thank you very much, Chair. I too share some of the angst of being notified in the email

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of something that I believe having read. I've been at this for over 50 years and looking

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at documents and GEPs, et cetera, and the question of the authority of Los Angeles was the authority

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of OCTA, I

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was just stunned at the way it happened without, and there may very well have been a reason or not,

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but did the executive director of OCTA in fact have the authority to remove our managing director.

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And when you look at all of those documents, it was like, well gee, I don't know.

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And I had shared my concerns with my fellow board member from Metro.

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I know that some people got phone calls from Mr. Johnson.

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I was not pretty in that experience, disappointing.

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The mere fact that OCTA was responsible for getting the documents out and they had them in their offices on Friday,

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and still did not execute over the weekend, all of us are disappointed.

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So the lack of a communication, and when something happens, you would think that the board would have been made well aware of it,

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other than an email, oh, this is my decision, so that because of that, and for the comfort

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of the Losan Board, and the issue does the Losan Board have the authority to our chair

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to bring in our own council, so that there are no issues of conflict, etc.

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So it is independent.

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Yes, we do.

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Yes, we do, and that some of us have spent quite a bit of time reviewing those documents,

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and with the best for ability and the assets that we have at our disposal to check on those.

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So that I believe this process is very simple and that when the board needs to seek legal advice,

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and there is concern as to whether or not the council hired by OCTA and under the direction

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of its CEO would be that independent of us. We don't know that, which is why it is well

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within the purview of the low send board through our chair, and executive committee to go out

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and hire, just a separate council.

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That way we can come back and decide with a good recommendation

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on where to go. Some of us are absolutely still stuck. Most of us believe that our managing director

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and looking at all of those agreements, which are hours of my weekend, I'm not getting back,

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that I had always felt that with OCTA and Lemmy were told by

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legal counsel during the hiring, which I felt I was a conflict at that time,

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and just was there the same time recently on the board.

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We said, oh no, if you don't have the authority to hire,

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we bring you a recommendation to hire, and you can see either Yay or Nay.

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I disagreed with that at that time.

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I believe Los Angeles has the authority to hire and to fire our own managing director,

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and that does not lie within OCTA.

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It does lie, the OCTA that our managing director

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must be an employee of OCTA,

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and maybe that's something we should be looking at

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in future higher.

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But we had always felt that we have our managing director

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that manages the contract that we have to run the agency,

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which is OCTA.

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So I am fully supportive of this.

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But I think it, we need to have in place someone that belongs to the, reports to the

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Losan Board that we know that at least that legal opinion is something that we can count

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on and I'm not saying that there may be any biases with OCTA, county legal services,

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but at least this way we know what is independent and this is a higher by the Losan Board.

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and I fully support this. I believe it is the easiest, the quickest, and the cleanest way

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to get the information that we so desperately need over something that happened.

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Some of

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us are still in the dark over that, but bringing in our own counsel. I think it would go a

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long way to help bring a quick resolution to this issue. Thank you very much and I want

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Sherman Hart, for at least moving on this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Director Mack.

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The next go to Director Mosca,

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and then to Director Frank.

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And then we'll go back around for the directors

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who have their hands raised for a second time.

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Director Mosca.

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Chair, I would defer to Director Frank

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if she'd like to go first.

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I think she had her hand up first.

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So I don't want to step into those shoes.

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If she wants to.

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Thank you, Director Roscoe. Director Frank. Thank you. Thanks, Joe. I, you know, whether or not

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independent council is needed, I'm really uncomfortable with the process that we're trying to

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move forward with today. There's been no RFP, no competitive bid process, and honestly, no transparency.

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Ultimately, we're, these are taxpayer dollars that we're spending, and I don't feel that we're doing

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not in a responsible and transparent way when we're, you know, I have no information about

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this law firm or whether or not it's, you know, a fair price. They're all of those things.

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And quite honestly, I still haven't been presented with compelling evidence that a true

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complex exists beyond the ability to hire special counsel within our current contract.

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I feel that the few conflicts that have arisen have been handled appropriately and I don't

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see why we couldn't go through that process going forward if we need to look at the ASA and look at how

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HR decisions are handled. I agree and I think OCA staff is well aware of the issues and how this

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situation was handled and the disappointment that many board members feel. I don't like surprises.

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I don't like feeling in the dark either and I've made that clear to Jason. But ultimately does that

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mean that we just go out and pick a firm out of the dark. I mean, I don't know where

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this firm, how this firm was selected, any of that, what their history is. So, you

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know, I think the more appropriate thing would be to move forward with some kind of RSP or

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bid process to procure a law firm if we feel that that's even needed. Again, as, you know,

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sort of public money, I just can't in good conscious support this item today. And I think that

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certainly further discussions are needed about what the relationship between OCTA and LOSAN

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are going forward. Thank you. Thank you, Director Frank. Director Moska.

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Yeah, and thank you, thank you, Chair. And I'm glad that Director Frank went first because she

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really articulated some of the feelings that I have kind of approaching this issue. So thank you,

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Director Frank. So I'm not going to repeat what she said because it's kind of what what I'm feeling

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prior to this conversation, just kind of, you know, feeling like I'm not sure what's going on,

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that I do think that there could have been, from OCPAs perspective, there should have been more

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communications with the board, with our member agencies, just stronger communications about

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what's going on. I also just want to say that I feel a bit uncomfortable having this

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It's as an open session that should, these are employment matters.

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And I think that this should be done in closed session, where if there's any,

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I mean,

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we're all talking about kind of determination of somebody.

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This is something that I'm not comfortable generally speaking about in open session.

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It's something that Brown Act allows us to kind of talk about in closed session and for

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for a good reason too, because there's liability here.

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And so I'm gonna basically be very, very circumspect

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in the way I talk about this,

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because I'm not really wanting to, you know,

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be deposed or be a part of any kind of litigation

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in the future, but I'm not necessarily sure

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that I hear a conflict of interest.

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What I hear is some struggles

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with the existing contract.

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And so I'm not sure, you know, if there was a conflict,

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I think that the legal counsel would have an obligation to come forward about that conflict.

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And if we identified a conflict, you know, then we could recommend to the existing law firms

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to kind of look at folks that could help us.

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But I'm not necessarily hearing a conflict of interest here.

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You know, and I hear a lot of other things,

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but they're not necessarily material to this particular item.

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And so what I would say is that I'm not in favor of this moving on this item.

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But I do think that in closed session it would be nice to kind of hear more about what happened in the past.

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And how we're going to move forward, specific to the employment matter.

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And I think that there's some mention about the agreement between LoFan and OCTA.

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I think that that may have a year or two left on it, so I think it's fair that we start to talk about the future as well.

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And what we want to see in the contract or whatever we want to see in the future.

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so I think that's also a pathway as well. So thank you for letting me speak on this item.

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Thank you, Director Monska. Now we'll go back around for other directors who want to add

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additional comments. Director Murray.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, I think some of my colleagues

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have expressed some of my concerns because generally based on my experiences in over 30, 40 years of

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of personnel related issues, things of this nature with boards are usually handled in

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a closed session manner. Again, I'm not sure if the path we're proceeding with regarding

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a potential or a perceived, I guess, is a better way of putting it conflict of interest.

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So and also the comment regarding the dispersal of our documents and so forth. I think

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there may be the Brown Act may also have played into that. So I was wondering if our legal counsel could

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apply on both the Brown Act potential issue and also discussions of potential personnel related

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in an open session.

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Gassy?

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I think Director Murray, sure.

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I cannot find on that.

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It's correct.

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We cannot discuss any personnel issues in open session.

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And I would advise the board not to go down that path.

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For this particular issue, we cannot bring it into closed session.

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It's not right for a closed session today because it's not noticed in the agenda.

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It's not right for a future closed session, unfortunately.

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So we cannot discuss these employment matters at this time.

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As to the ground act, Director Murray, can you clarify

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what the question is on posting agenda materials?

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Certainly.

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Is there a time frame in which materials have to be dispersed

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the board members, and are there run act regulations regarding that that you might be able to

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apply to because there's a lot of comments about the documents getting to us in a late fashion,

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which I know you know we all have concerns about. Yes, thank you for clarifying. I'm correct,

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the brown act requires the agenda to be posted at least 72 hours prior to the meeting time,

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and any supplemental materials, they can be provided to the board at any time and publicly

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posted anytime up until the meeting. However, there is a provision in the statute and it was

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recently confirmed by a court of appeal that no agenda materials, if they're going to be provided

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publicly to or if they're going to be provided to the board within the 72 hour period, they have to

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be provided at a time when the clerk's office is open to the public, so that's why if

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agenda materials were not available until, you know, later last week or we were within

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the 72 hours, those could not have been provided over the weekend, it would have been a

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violation of the ground act to do so.

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Okay, that's what I thought, but I'm not technically doing that, the technical expertise that you

445
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,600
do.

446
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:20,240
So thank you for that clarification and also there were some comments related to communications.

447
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:27,340
Is there anything Mr. Johnson you can apply to on that with some of those comments that were made.

448
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,890
If the chair will allow it, I'll just.

449
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:36,910
Yes, Mr. Johnson.

450
00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:40,610
Within our

451
00:38:44,290 --> 00:38:47,630
left message with every single agency CEO.

452
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,140
But I did call each and talk to you.

453
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,200
The left message are talked directly

454
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:08,900
next is director strong.

455
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,740
Thank you again, Mr. Chair.

456
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:20,480
I believe that we should change the motion to postpone this entire matter to executive session at our next meeting.

457
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,360
And proceed with the rest of this meeting because I think we are totally out of order.

458
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,960
it's a spoiler and I would make that motion or seconded if the maker of the original motion would

459
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,980
instead make that motion. We don't have a motion on the table we don't well then I will move

460
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:44,520
that we postpone this to executive session at our next meeting okay that motion has been made

461
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:47,300
is there a second being

462
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:53,750
no second let's continue with the directors you'd like to speak director

463
00:39:53,750 --> 00:40:00,870
after not. Mr. Chair, can I still continue if this motion isn't accepted.

464
00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,130
We can come back to you, Director Strong.

465
00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:06,350
Thank you very much.

466
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,500
Thank you very much.

467
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:26,420
I think it's a simple contracting issue and the question of whether or not

468
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:28,570
the

469
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:36,930
that sometimes you can bypass, easily bypass the RIP process that can take months or even

470
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:37,330
weeks.

471
00:40:38,350 --> 00:40:46,350
Maybe you might shorten it down to even a three or four weeks, but in a situation such

472
00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:52,570
as we're in now for the comfort of the board and that should information have been provided

473
00:40:53,090 --> 00:41:02,070
Like a CV or more information on this particular agency, yes, just because I'm familiar with

474
00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:05,870
the agency, you know, out of Sacramento and transit, that doesn't mean everyone else is.

475
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:11,390
But I believe that the Chairman Hart acted in with the executive committee in the best interest

476
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:17,510
of low-fans, and just to try and get some answers, it's a contracting question.

477
00:41:18,070 --> 00:41:21,850
And to me, it's not a, we're not talking personnel, we're not talking anything.

478
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:25,330
Does a low-hand board have the right,

479
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:29,100
regardless of how it occurs,

480
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:33,070
puts this on the agenda and

481
00:41:33,070 --> 00:41:34,230
hire their own legal counsel?

482
00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:36,970
It doesn't take for a long time, or for how many.

483
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:40,070
It appears it's an immediate problem.

484
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:49,210
It needs an immediate solution for those of us that just want to see an outside concern.

485
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:55,730
And yes, there are firms that are on the list for OCTA to hire through their legal counsel.

486
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:59,650
And I think the rubb is the what authority does close by in half.

487
00:42:00,050 --> 00:42:06,110
I believe we have wide broad ranging authority to do a lot of these things and just hiring

488
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:10,790
in a legal firm so that we can get into closed sessions and ask some of these questions that

489
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:13,490
we'd all like to ask and talk about.

490
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:17,290
And I think that's what the issue is.

491
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:20,190
whether we do it now or later, at least we have that option.

492
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:24,950
It doesn't mean that sort of casting the team there aren't doing a good job.

493
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:30,430
I'm not saying that, but just for the moment and for this particular issue, just to bring

494
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:32,710
in its amount side counts, that's all this is about.

495
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:37,370
And we didn't have time from the time, you know, the email on out.

496
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:43,590
This was something that happened very quickly, it was unexpected for most of us, and this is

497
00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:50,730
a good response, I believe, to a short-term solution that someone is going to be discussing

498
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:56,790
the future. You hire them, maybe they answer one question, and maybe take them an hour

499
00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:01,350
to write the opinion, and we get it back, and then we're done. And we can start moving

500
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:10,510
forward. And in response to you, Mr. Johnson, that I appreciate you calling the CEO, but

501
00:43:10,510 --> 00:43:12,390
Most of us are not appointed by a CEO,

502
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,730
as a matter of fact, none of us are.

503
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:15,870
We are appointed by our own board

504
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,620
and not the CEO of the agency.

505
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,260
So, and that that was the issue there.

506
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:26,720
So, the CEO might have known

507
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,220
with the appointing agencies on the assuming they would know now.

508
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,090
I think that part was the issue, but I wouldn't want that.

509
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:39,530
I would hope that in both polling this,

510
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:41,850
and I feel I believe that we should move forward,

511
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:44,990
bring in Council, and this isn't something

512
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:46,290
that the board can't undo.

513
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:50,720
You know, within 72 hours, we're going to have a special meeting.

514
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520
And we can undo this action if we need to,

515
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,240
but at least we have some outside counsel,

516
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,580
where we can get answers to some of these questions

517
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,340
and move along quickly,

518
00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:05,980
so that we can put this whole issue to bed quickly.

519
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:07,900
Thank you.

520
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,620
Thank you, Director Eichner.

521
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,600
I see that Vice Chair Edson hasn't spoken yet,

522
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:14,040
so let's go to her next.

523
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:22,640
Thank you, so like I think everyone else on here today that's a board member, I was

524
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,280
very surprised by the action that was taken to terminate our managing director, but

525
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:35,140
I also agree that since this is a HR issue, it should be discussed in a closed session.

526
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,780
I just wanted to state my surprise at the way it was handled.

527
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:49,240
and enough said on that, with regard to the matter before us, procuring outside counsel.

528
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:59,840
I agree with many of the comments that were made, Director Moscow, Director Franklin, or Director Frank.

529
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Sorry, I added a link to you. With regard to, there being no RFP or competitive bid process. And I was happy to learn that there is a process in place to, to use special counsel and that that solution was.

530
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:27,140
has seen something that was not objected to by chair heart in his earlier comments.

531
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,540
So, if he's comfortable with that, I don't know why we would still be pursuing going

532
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:37,740
to outside council, because it is a solution that seems to have worked in the past.

533
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:48,120
With regard to the AFA, I, you know, there's years remaining on the agreement, I think that

534
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:59,880
If it's felt that there are issues and I believe that there's a lot of gray area is what we're facing.

535
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:18,100
And so I think if we could take these two years to discuss future procurement of services along with any matters of concern and just look at it as an opportunity to either tighten up the agreement that we have.

536
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:23,540
and make it something so that we don't have surprises like the ones that we've

537
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:25,000
faced this past week.

538
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Those are my comments thanks. Thank you director. It's an

539
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,220
two-year point directly. I do think that there is a consensus I sense from the

540
00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:42,560
board that using the Orange County Transportation Authority's legal conflict

541
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,820
process that they have internal to the organization it would satisfy all the

542
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:54,100
concerns that have been expressed so far and, you know, the intent was to have independent

543
00:46:54,100 --> 00:47:01,440
council for Losan as we resolve these issues and using the system that's in place at OCTA

544
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,280
sounds to me like something that everybody can support. So, you know, if somebody wants

545
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,120
to make a motion to that effect, maybe we could move this item along.

546
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,900
I also move, Mr. Chair.

547
00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:15,080
Right, Director Strong.

548
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:27,120
So you are recommending that we ask that the Orange County Transportation Authority exercise its conflict procedures and recommend independent council for the Los Angeles board.

549
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:36,720
I'm moving that they look into the matter to determine if there is a conflict and if so to move forward with resolving that conflict.

550
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,660
I'm not exactly sure what Director Strong has in mind so I'd like to make a substitute

551
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:59,380
motion and the substitute motion is that we request respectfully request O-C-T-A and

552
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:09,360
it's legal counsel to work closely with us to find independent counsel using the procedures

553
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:22,400
already in effect to handle this matter so that we can have independent counsel to advise us

554
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,720
of advise this board as we go forward.

555
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:27,040
This is a request.

556
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:29,920
There's a question as to whether we have the authority

557
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,640
to actually do it ourselves.

558
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,060
If I requesting them to do it,

559
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:37,020
we eliminate that as an issue,

560
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:40,880
but we move forward on this.

561
00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:42,640
That's my substitute motion.

562
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:44,740
I second the substitute motion.

563
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:45,760
All right.

564
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,880
I would ask the question of legal counsel.

565
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,840
Just one second, Director Strong.

566
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:51,320
We have a motion on the floor.

567
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,940
we have a second to the motion. Are there comments to the motion? We can go on quite some time here.

568
00:48:58,780 --> 00:49:04,380
I see a number of hands up. I don't know if those hands are still up, or if they were previously

569
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:10,020
up, but thank you. I see a number of hands have gone down, so that's good. But I do still see some

570
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:15,880
hands up, so I want to get to the folks who want to comment on this motion. So Director Mosca,

571
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:31,080
director Muller director Brown director Edson director strong all have their hands up. Let's try and be to think so we can move this item on director Moscow. Thank you. Thank you chair. I'm still a little bit fuzzy on why we need special counsel.

572
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:44,980
I think that that it's clear to me under the contract that that OCTA has the has the right to hire and that the person in question is a OCTA employee.

573
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:51,960
If we don't like that, I think that has been discussed about the contract we could do something else in the future.

574
00:49:51,960 --> 00:50:03,460
I thought director strong had a recommendation if we thought that there's a conflict on OCTA through the general council has a pathway to hire a special council determine whether or not there's a conflict.

575
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:12,860
I'm not necessarily sure that what we want to do is hire an independent council determine whether or something we already know which is that OCTA under a contract has a right to hire.

576
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:16,300
And if it's an employee of OCPA, they have a right to terminate.

577
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,720
If we don't like that, the future contract that we work out with our managing agency can be different in the future.

578
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:25,660
But I think that that's kind of a pathway that's there now.

579
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,660
I also want to just say that I do see why and I think others have commented on this.

580
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:37,400
I do see why that this I believe personally believe and not disparaging anybody.

581
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,260
I do see now why that there's this kind of situation.

582
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,280
I think that it could, I think this could have been handled a lot differently if I were

583
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,940
King for a day, which I'm not, you know, I think I would have designed this differently.

584
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:58,920
I think I would have communicated better with the board of directors, making sure that the

585
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:05,120
chairman has information as soon as possible, making sure every director has information as

586
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,960
soon as possible.

587
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,780
I think I would have an item on today's agenda for closed session that basically speaks

588
00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:12,820
to the investigation.

589
00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:14,380
What investigation happened?

590
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,220
Who investigated?

591
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:16,820
Who is in charge of investigation?

592
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,000
What were the findings of that investigation?

593
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:22,020
The fact that it's not on our agenda now is disappointing.

594
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,940
The fact that General Counsel's not suggesting it would be on our next agenda is disappointing.

595
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:34,200
I would, Chairman, ask that the put on a special closed session agenda item, who conducted

596
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:40,160
to the investigation. When was it started? What was the reason for it? What was the outcome

597
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,540
of that investigation? I'd like to know as a member, and I'd also like to know, moving

598
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:51,580
forward, how are we going to basically fill the role of managing director and how the board

599
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:56,100
of directors is going to be informed throughout every step and how that process is going to

600
00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:01,440
go? Because it should be a collaborative approach we're working hand in hand together. So those

601
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,820
are my comments. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Namaskar. I think you make a really credible point

602
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:11,240
to for us to take the first step to ask the Orange County Transportation Authority to exercise

603
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:18,820
its conflict procedures and a point independent council to assist us in doing all of the things you

604
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:24,400
just described because none of those things have happened. This is the first step in that process

605
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:30,260
and without us exercising the first step, I don't understand how we could accomplish all of the things

606
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:32,500
that you described in your remarks.

607
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,900
Let's go to Director Brown.

608
00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:41,070
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

609
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:46,910
I was in charge of the committee that selected the Managing Agency.

610
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:54,170
It was made up of members of all the CTCs and agencies that belonged to the original low

611
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:57,990
sand before we took up the state offer to run our own.

612
00:52:59,090 --> 00:53:03,090
At that time, and since then, unless there's been a big change,

613
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,780
OCT has provided the

614
00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:11,120
managed director as a collateral duty of one of their employees, the managed director

615
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,780
of Los Angeles.

616
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,060
They are only an OCT employee.

617
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,740
The past, the OCT has put forward the person and the board has approved those people.

618
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:30,760
And the executive board has and brought those forward to the directors as our new director

619
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:37,760
of low-san. If something came up or an OCT employee had to be fired, that's OCTA's business.

620
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:42,240
If they didn't notify us, that's a problem we have to work out with them.

621
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:49,180
But it's an OCT employee, you know, OCTA's right to employ, or just charge that person,

622
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:52,840
anytime they don't meet the requirements of OCTA.

623
00:53:54,300 --> 00:54:00,120
And they bring forward a new person, and we vet them and decide whether or not we want them,

624
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:06,160
I have an OCEJ look for another person to be our managing director, but it's strictly

625
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,740
an OCEJ employee and they're right to hire a fire at any time.

626
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:16,560
In the original contract, that's how it was designed and it's been that way it's ever

627
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,600
sentenced to my knowledge.

628
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,020
So the argument about rather than not, they have the right to hire a fire is not something

629
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:26,020
to work out in the next contract.

630
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:33,400
This conversation is getting a little bit on the off side, but I would work it out with

631
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:40,140
those CTAs to have that in the next contract maybe, but I don't see a conflict of interest

632
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:45,720
because if they're employee, they'd be like me saying, this is my city manager, you can't

633
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:52,060
fire that person because I don't, I like them, well it's not my job as a city council person

634
00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:57,280
of the higher-fire city employee at the city manager's job and in many years it's the same.

635
00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:02,380
So this argument is not going to get you anywhere in a conflict of interest.

636
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:08,120
The OCT employee know they want to fire them at their business. How they notified the rest of the

637
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:16,560
board, the director of the board, the president of the board, that's another thing to work out.

638
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,860
So as far as the hiring and firing, it's an OCK

639
00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:23,400
prerogative that Los Angeles actually has no say in.

640
00:55:24,340 --> 00:55:24,780
Thank you.

641
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:26,340
Thank you, Director Brown.

642
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:30,260
Let's all try and be a little briefer as we go through this round,

643
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,020
because we're trying to get this to a conclusion we have a motion on the floor.

644
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:36,160
Really like your remarks to speak directly to the motion if you would.

645
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Director Muller.

646
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:41,990
But, okay.

647
00:55:42,350 --> 00:55:43,190
Thanks, Mr. Chair.

648
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:45,010
I'm not going to go through everything.

649
00:55:45,130 --> 00:55:47,270
I think Director Brown is exactly right on this.

650
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:49,610
This is an OCT employee.

651
00:55:50,370 --> 00:55:58,940
I don't think we have the right to listen to in closed session from another agency's employee.

652
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:02,320
That's an issue I understand that some of these board members have.

653
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:08,320
The one thing I do want to point out is there's a reason that Sacramento set low stand-up the way they did.

654
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,640
And the reason was they didn't want a separate bureaucracy.

655
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,640
And I think the path we're going down needs people to believe.

656
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,580
Maybe that's what we are trying to set up.

657
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:18,700
And I think we're going to have a problem with the state.

658
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,120
I don't agree with a lot of what Sacramento does, but I agree with what they did with

659
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,800
this agency.

660
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,160
Director Moscow and Edson got it, I think got it right.

661
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,460
We have two more years.

662
00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:35,840
This would be what, 15 or 12 to 15 years total with these agencies, this ASA.

663
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:40,860
And I tell every agency I sit on, it's always a good idea to take a look outside after five

664
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:41,460
to 10 years.

665
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:42,680
And maybe that's the right thing to do.

666
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:49,280
I said on OCTA and I have no problem with low sand taking a look at somebody else becoming the

667
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:55,420
the staff so but I'm not because I truly would OCTA is going to do a good job and they have

668
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:59,800
and they'll be selected again but I think we need to be careful where we're going down and I agree

669
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,460
that there is no conflict here and I will be supporting this motion. Thanks. Thank you director

670
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:08,160
Dr. Moller, Director Strong.

671
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:11,380
Director, I'm going to jump in and make a mention

672
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:12,620
that we're getting a little bit off topic

673
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:15,000
on the agenda item, so for Brown Act concerns,

674
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,940
we need to focus on the agenda item.

675
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Thank you, Mr. Ophazonian.

676
00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:20,820
Thank you, speaking through the motion,

677
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,900
as you requested and the agenda item,

678
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,220
I believe that we are totally out of order

679
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:28,300
and requesting an illegal action,

680
00:57:28,780 --> 00:57:30,240
be performed by another agency.

681
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,780
The previous two speakers were very, very correct.

682
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:39,460
This is a personnel matter for OCTA, they are subject to the Brown Act, their personnel

683
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:44,220
matters are subject to their executive sessions and are not to be revealed outside of their

684
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:45,120
executive sessions.

685
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,360
Therefore, they cannot be revealed to us without violating the law.

686
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:55,960
And if we pass any of these motions, we are asking another agency to violate state law.

687
00:57:56,300 --> 00:58:00,940
I believe that we should just dismiss this matter and close it up and go on to executive

688
00:58:00,940 --> 00:58:03,620
the session for the matter that caused this in the first place.

689
00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:06,860
Thank you, Director Strong, Director Murray.

690
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:09,920
I'll keep mine very succinct.

691
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:13,860
I concur with my colleagues who made the last three comments.

692
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:14,760
Thank you.

693
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,520
Thank you, Director Murray.

694
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:17,540
Director Ektronon.

695
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:22,130
Thank you very much.

696
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:26,050
Again, I just state that the accident had been for us

697
00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:29,310
as a contract matter for the board.

698
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:31,990
And we're just simply directing the OCTA,

699
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:40,860
independent counsel, not asking for anything other than that.

700
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:42,300
It is not a personal matter.

701
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,800
It's just simply directing or managing director,

702
00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:51,280
to execute the wishes of the Los Angeles board.

703
00:58:52,060 --> 00:58:54,220
That's just all this issue is.

704
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Anything else you want to bring on the agenda?

705
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,280
We can do so.

706
00:59:01,330 --> 00:59:04,030
But something needs to be happening instead of just leaving.

707
00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:07,330
And there's a difference between a true legal conflict

708
00:59:07,330 --> 00:59:14,670
and a perceived conflict, and I think the state in its wisdom sometimes that they do set

709
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:21,550
us up for potential conflicts, such as that, and it just simply states that, I mean,

710
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:27,770
in the low-hand board can hire whoever they want to be their managing director, and we

711
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:35,970
can hire the managing agency, but the manager director by law must be an employee, the agency

712
00:59:35,970 --> 00:59:45,750
see that we hire, we are managing agency and that's all I'm going to say. I just would hope that we can move this forward very quickly. Thank you.

713
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:49,310
Thank you, Director. Director Edson, I think you get the final word.

714
00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:55,590
I would just like to call for a vote of the motion on the floor and perhaps have that motion repeated.

715
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:59,310
Thank you, Director Edson, and I just like, uh,

716
00:59:59,310 --> 00:59:59,410
Bye.

717
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,500
This trap is only in to speak to Director Strong's remarks that the action proposed is illegal. It is far from that. This is, as you described the process that your office would use to resolve the conflict of interest issues. So if you would please clarify our action or request of the Orange County Transportation Authority to exercise its conflict of interest process and a point independent council for Los Angeles matters.

718
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,220
is within our purview and it's a legal act.

719
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:41,320
Yes, we would be happy to bring in a special council to look at the issues with the ASA is what I'm

720
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,180
gathering from the conversation is what the perceived conflict is.

721
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,860
My office through OCEPA, we can bring in a special council to advise those to close in on the ASA issues.

722
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,740
Thank you, Mr. President, for that clarification. This issue is very simple.

723
01:00:55,740 --> 01:01:03,620
the motion is to request the Orange County Transportation Authority to use its internal conflict

724
01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:11,100
of interest process to obtain independent legal counsel for low-san to assist us in investigating

725
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:17,640
the matter before the board regarding the governing documents and the conflicts that are contained

726
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:26,520
in. This is a simple straightforward request and I will now call the question. And I vote

727
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:33,360
would authorize the Orange County Transportation Authority to exercise its own internal process

728
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,500
to identify legal counsel for Los Angeles.

729
01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:42,080
Yes, Director Strong, one question please. The question is, didn't the motion contain a request

730
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,980
that we'd be given the information on the personal life?

731
01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:50,140
So, no, that has never been the subject of discussions the entire day.

732
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,160
We have not been talking about the first no matter.

733
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,720
We've been simply talking about legal counts.

734
01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:57,120
Madam Clerk, would you please call the role?

735
01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:02,280
Chairman Hart.

736
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,000
Aye.

737
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,580
Vice Chair Edson.

738
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:07,300
Aye.

739
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:09,380
Director Eckonock.

740
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:11,340
Eckonock, aye.

741
01:02:12,180 --> 01:02:12,660
Director Frank.

742
01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:14,580
No.

743
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:16,420
Director McDonald.

744
01:02:21,590 --> 01:02:38,430
I think I think the additional clarification I think because of the fact that this is going to go through the normal OCPA process and it's not hiring council that we haven't looked at but something that's going through the general councils kind of process.

745
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:40,370
I'm going to support this and say yes.

746
01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:42,850
Director Miller.

747
01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:46,410
Director Murray.

748
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,020
Director Reed. Yes. Director Strong.

749
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,580
No. Director

750
01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:02,700
Telemontis. Yes.

751
01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:20,270
Motion passes. Thank you Madam Clerk. Thank you Director

752
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:25,390
Sir your patience. We'll now adjourn to close session so that everybody's clear

753
01:03:25,390 --> 01:03:30,190
There's a separate Zoom link in your agenda to go to close session.

754
01:03:30,790 --> 01:03:39,110
Please leave this meeting and go to that additional link so we can be in close session to discuss item number two.

755
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:42,790
I'll see you on the other side. Thank you.

756
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:48,580
April 18th.

757
01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:51,460
And Ms. Trapp is on you, would you please report out

758
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:52,220
from closed session?

759
01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:55,480
Yes, during a closed session,

760
01:03:55,860 --> 01:03:57,840
the Low-Stand Board of Directors

761
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,040
by unanimous vote, appointed Jason Jewel

762
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,840
as the Interim at Managing Directors.

763
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,660
Thank you, everyone, and congratulations, Mr. Jewel.

764
01:04:07,780 --> 01:04:08,900
We look forward to working with you

765
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:11,340
and as your capacity as our entering managed

766
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:12,480
interim managing director,

767
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:13,540
would you like to make any remarks?

768
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:20,540
Yes, Chairman Hart, thank you very much.

769
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:21,860
I really appreciate it.

770
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:24,420
and I really appreciate the support of the board.

771
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,500
I just wanted to let you all know

772
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:28,420
that I've had the pleasure of working

773
01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:31,120
with the Los Angeles Agency over the last seven years

774
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,840
in the capacity of the Chief Financial Officer.

775
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:38,420
And I look forward to my role as an interim.

776
01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:40,620
I definitely accept this challenge

777
01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:43,260
and want to step up to the plate

778
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:45,260
and do everything I can to support you

779
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:47,140
and support the board

780
01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:48,500
and really support the agency

781
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,020
as we move forward

782
01:04:50,020 --> 01:04:51,880
and furthering the goals of the agency.

783
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:53,340
So thank you very much.

784
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,700
Thank you, Mr. Jewel.

785
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,960
We'll now go to the consent calendar item,

786
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:59,880
which is items three through six,

787
01:05:00,260 --> 01:05:02,180
and all matters on the consent calendar.

788
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,300
RW approved in one motion,

789
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:06,100
and less the director of the member of the public,

790
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,800
wishes to pull an item for discussion.

791
01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:10,140
Do I have any requests to pull any items?

792
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:11,640
We've got to change this motion.

793
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,980
I still voted no, and still almost an answer.

794
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:16,020
there.

795
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:21,220
The microphone is open and we're all hearing what you're saying.

796
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:24,000
It's not pretty.

797
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:25,760
Thank you.

798
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:27,940
Move approval.

799
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:28,540
Consent.

800
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,220
Thank you, director.

801
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:30,800
Vice chair.

802
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:32,400
Second, Moscow.

803
01:05:33,220 --> 01:05:33,860
Thank you, director.

804
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:34,320
Moscow.

805
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,340
Motion's been made and seconded.

806
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,680
Are there any public comments, Madam Clerk?

807
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,180
We do not have any written public comments.

808
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,780
However, at this time, we'll ask for live comments.

809
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:53,900
comments will be limited to three minutes per speaker unless different times are set by the chairman.

810
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,640
To comment in real time select race hand to speak you can find the race hand icon in the bottom

811
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,320
of your zoom. If you're calling by phone press star nine to raise your hand and press star six to

812
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,260
unmute and unmute yourself. We'll look for public comments.

813
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:12,080
Seeing none you may proceed.

814
01:06:12,980 --> 01:06:15,860
Thank you, ma'am Quirk. Would you please call the roll?

815
01:06:18,290 --> 01:06:26,890
Chairman Hart, Vice Chair Edson, I, Director Ektanok,

816
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:31,290
Director Frank,

817
01:06:34,030 --> 01:06:35,150
Director McDonald,

818
01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:48,890
Director Mosca, Director Miller, Director Murray, Director Reed,

819
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:51,630
Yes. Director Strong.

820
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:54,790
All right. Director Talamontis.

821
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:57,710
Yes. Motion passes.

822
01:06:58,530 --> 01:07:05,290
Thank you, ma'am. This brings us now to item number seven, which is the amendment to the fifth federal fiscal year 2021,

823
01:07:05,570 --> 01:07:11,970
22 operating agreement with outtracks for the Pacific Circliner inner city passenger rail service.

824
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:15,250
Mr. Jewel will be presenting this item to the board.

825
01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:16,250
Mr. Jewel.

826
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:22,370
Good morning, Chairman Hart and members of the Board, a Jason Jewel interim managing

827
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:23,770
director for the LoSan Agency.

828
01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:29,210
And I'm here to present to you an amendment to the Federal fiscal year 2021-22 operating

829
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:30,170
green with Amtrak.

830
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:36,130
The recommendation you have before you today is to authorize the managing director to negotiate

831
01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:41,650
and execute amendment number one to the agreement between the LoSan Agency and Amtrak.

832
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:46,570
and this amendment will replace the centrile carpet on 42

833
01:07:46,570 --> 01:07:53,310
circular cars and in a not-to-excite amount of $577,183.

834
01:07:54,010 --> 01:07:57,010
The recommendation also includes authorization for the

835
01:07:57,010 --> 01:08:00,550
managing director to negotiate and execute all funding

836
01:08:00,550 --> 01:08:03,370
agreements necessary for the reimbursement of cost for

837
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:04,170
this project.

838
01:08:05,030 --> 01:08:09,430
Amtrak has proposed a firm-6 price per car of roughly

839
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:14,430
$13,742 to replace a center aisle carpet.

840
01:08:15,130 --> 01:08:17,410
This center aisle carpet in the equipment

841
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:20,470
is on average roughly about 12 years old

842
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:23,050
and it is showing visible signs of wear and tear.

843
01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:26,430
The project will replace this old aging carpet

844
01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:29,730
with new carpet and it will be done

845
01:08:29,730 --> 01:08:33,550
on 31 Amtrak-Done cars and 11 state-owned cars.

846
01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:35,770
And in addition to this work,

847
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:38,250
Amtrak has agreed to replace seat cushions

848
01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:39,650
that no additional cost.

849
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:42,230
Amtrak will be utilizing seat cushions

850
01:08:42,230 --> 01:08:43,810
from its Estella equipment

851
01:08:44,290 --> 01:08:46,690
that they will be retiring from the Northeast corridor.

852
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:49,510
The following board approval on this item,

853
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:52,570
we will work closely with Amtrak to a menu agreement

854
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:55,950
and begin the carpet replacement as quickly as possible.

855
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:58,910
And while it is our desire and intent to replace

856
01:08:58,910 --> 01:09:00,510
as many seats as possible,

857
01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:03,010
in conjunction with the carpet replacement,

858
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:05,590
the actual timing of the seat replacement,

859
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:08,710
that it will be contingent on how quickly Amtrak

860
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:11,710
will be basically retiring.

861
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:14,590
It's a cell equipment from the Northeast corridor.

862
01:09:15,230 --> 01:09:17,210
But we are anticipating the carpet replacement

863
01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:19,230
to be completed within about 12 months.

864
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:22,030
So it is important to note that this project

865
01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:23,670
is fully funded by the state.

866
01:09:24,610 --> 01:09:26,730
So that concludes my presentation.

867
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:29,030
I don't know, be happy to answer any questions you may have.

868
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:32,960
Thank you, Mr. Jewel.

869
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,080
Are there questions from directors?

870
01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:44,610
Thank you, Director McDonald. Is there a second to Director McDonald's vote?

871
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:54,710
That was Director Murray. Thank you for the motion to second. Any discussion from the board? Any comments from members of the public?

872
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:59,120
To comment in real time. Raise your hand.

873
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:02,930
Seeing none may proceed.

874
01:10:04,650 --> 01:10:07,370
Thank you. Would you please call the roll, Madam Clerk?

875
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:08,330
Chairman Hart.

876
01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:10,210
Aye.

877
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:11,570
Vice Chair Edson.

878
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:13,130
Aye.

879
01:10:14,230 --> 01:10:15,010
Director Ectonock.

880
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:22,490
There we go.

881
01:10:22,910 --> 01:10:23,650
Ectonock, aye.

882
01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:24,270
Thank you.

883
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:25,290
Director Frank.

884
01:10:27,970 --> 01:10:28,690
Director McDonald.

885
01:10:29,950 --> 01:10:30,470
Aye.

886
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:31,990
Director Moscow.

887
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:34,340
Yes.

888
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:35,820
Director Miller.

889
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:37,300
Aye.

890
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:38,300
Director Murray.

891
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:41,100
Director Reed.

892
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:42,520
Yes.

893
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:43,660
Director Strong.

894
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:45,180
Aye.

895
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:53,960
Director Telemontes. Yes. Motion passes. Thank you, Madam Clerk. That brings us to item

896
01:10:53,960 --> 01:11:00,820
item number 8, which is Coastal Float Stabilization Update, and Joyce Sharma will present this item.

897
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:01,820
Ms Sharma.

898
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:11,620
Thank you, Director Hart and the members of the board. My name is Joyce Sharma. I'm at the

899
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:18,600
Los Angeles Capital Project Manager. And I'm here today to talk about the Coastal Float Stabilization.

900
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,020
Also known as the blood stabilization in contact

901
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:22,640
to that application for terseps,

902
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:24,000
the transit at inner city range,

903
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,880
capital program grant application,

904
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:28,000
and that you submitted to CalSuff

905
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,700
or last month in March to address

906
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:31,560
some of these issues along the coastal line.

907
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:32,440
Next slide, please.

908
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:38,960
But to begin with,

909
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,060
the areas that concern for slow stabilization

910
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,820
are along the entire coastal line of low fund corridor.

911
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:46,860
Well identified locations are in the northern counties

912
01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:48,120
which are in the top left image,

913
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,500
and in the southern counties are in the bottom right image.

914
01:11:50,980 --> 01:11:52,700
And we will lower each and every one of them

915
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:54,220
in the upcoming slide in detail.

916
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:55,300
Next slide please.

917
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:00,680
Starting from the non-10, we have center Barbara County,

918
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:01,860
where we have four locations.

919
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,640
These are known as, or they are located

920
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,540
at the end of the left.

921
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,260
Callister Ranch, El Capital, and Otena Hills.

922
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:08,200
Next slide please.

923
01:12:11,210 --> 01:12:12,550
The diving deeper in the detail,

924
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:15,050
the top left and right pictures illustrate conditions

925
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:15,990
that end of the left.

926
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:18,250
This is about 1,500 feet long stretch,

927
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:21,790
and it's comprised of about 190 feet high coast of the left.

928
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:23,670
As you can see from the top left image,

929
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:25,330
it's pretty high from the sea level.

930
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:30,410
The top of love is now only 15 feet away from the tracks and any additional erosion within

931
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:32,170
the JP track and the rock tracks.

932
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:36,070
There's a significant total erosion as you can see from the image on the right side,

933
01:12:36,230 --> 01:12:37,230
the top right image.

934
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:40,170
And you can see that there is significant information of CK.

935
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:43,870
So CK is so large that literally anybody can walk in them right now.

936
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:48,870
So UT is even losing the inclinometer and mercury switches that they installed close to the

937
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:50,610
track to monitor the track movement.

938
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:52,670
So this is a significant location here.

939
01:12:58,050 --> 01:12:58,530
So,

940
01:13:02,270 --> 01:13:18,730
if you look at the image on the top left, there's a frontage road and almost from the track alignment to the frontage road, there's about 300 feet which is UT right away.

941
01:13:19,090 --> 01:13:22,650
The UT can just realign these tracks and get them away from the blood.

942
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:38,030
So that's the phase one solution, and the phase two solution is to fill in the CK, so that's quite eminent and quite significant, the BK could be filled in with anything the concrete broad or the sand, but it requires intense review and acceptance from the coastal commission.

943
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:44,470
So this is quite a significant effort, and that's why this project is supposed to be taken care of in the phase approach.

944
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:50,330
The bottom image represents the hand-up sighting, so this is just part of the hand-up lock location.

945
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:55,410
And this sighting kindly flows due to the significant toy erosion issues and the flow issues,

946
01:13:55,650 --> 01:13:59,610
the flow protection issues, as well as there's excessive sand on the tracks.

947
01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:01,330
So why do the hand-up love?

948
01:14:01,550 --> 01:14:06,370
We want to take advantage of the location right next to it and address the flow stability issues

949
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:09,650
or any kind of the sand issues on the sighting as well.

950
01:14:09,650 --> 01:14:13,930
and it's falling on the cost of a million dollars and it can lead to the opening of this

951
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:16,690
funder's sliding at this location. Next slide please.

952
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:20,510
This is just we discussed in the

953
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:24,470
previous slide, so on the blockchain sliding. It's just presented in the tablin manner,

954
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:27,330
so I'll script this one and we can go to the next slide. Next slide please.

955
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:35,130
So this is another location in center Barbara County as Hollister Ranch and as you can see,

956
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:38,890
there's also significant block erosion. There's covering almost to the shoulder.

957
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:44,470
We are losing the virus, and the trucks are getting 8 feet of the top of the bluff right

958
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:44,790
now.

959
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:48,110
As you can see, the team members are standing there and monitoring the situation.

960
01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:52,750
The base of the old rocket response wall that has been observed, today is a significant

961
01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:55,430
slow corrosion issue there.

962
01:14:56,130 --> 01:14:59,870
And the proposed map is, of course, the best one is always to replace the drainage.

963
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:25,560
That's the best strategy to address any slow civilisation issues. That's very, very prominent in the industry. And this can have a life of 20 to 30 years to fix a slow civilisation issues. And all of them will still need some significant permits like U.S. Army course of engineers and a regional water quality control board and coastal commission certification. The total estimated cost of this location is about $8 million. Next slide please.

964
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,480
So this is another one at El Capitans last. And you can see that

965
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:33,880
a CFP pipe, the current-rogate-ignatipite,

966
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:35,600
that's broken above the toe of the slope.

967
01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:37,400
And this is, there's a large shower hole.

968
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:39,660
You can see there are team members of standing

969
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:40,860
just right at the head wall.

970
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:43,720
And it's again, because of the significant drainage issues,

971
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:46,400
but a broken pipe is not able to take the water all the way

972
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:47,480
down to the toe of the slope.

973
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,280
So permanent solution, again, I have the drill valve

974
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,660
and have the drainage system fixed,

975
01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:54,640
as well as probably the repair of the seawall,

976
01:15:54,740 --> 01:15:57,080
which is at the bottom of the toe of the slope there,

977
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:59,200
and not very visible in these images,

978
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,600
but there's an infesting sea wall right there.

979
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:03,920
So the total project cost at this location

980
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,940
is about $4 million.

981
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:06,300
Next slide, please.

982
01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:11,210
So this is the last location in Santa Barbara County

983
01:16:11,210 --> 01:16:12,430
except our data health.

984
01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:14,690
And it comprises the three different milestones.

985
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:16,390
As you can see from pictures,

986
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:19,070
the flow is eroding, which is failure of the draining system.

987
01:16:19,410 --> 01:16:21,510
We are losing balance and we've tracked the location.

988
01:16:22,090 --> 01:16:24,070
No track movement has been observed, fortunately,

989
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:26,310
but there's no room to walk on ocean sites.

990
01:16:26,730 --> 01:16:28,350
So technically, the maintenance guys,

991
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:33,130
they can walk on the ocean side of the track to maintain or get any access to it,

992
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:38,310
and you can see from the image on the bottom right there is a very significant void under the

993
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:42,350
bridge creating the instability issues. So the full solutions are game-driven,

994
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:46,510
the drainage issues, the installation of the support columns, such as the FIEDH files,

995
01:16:47,170 --> 01:16:50,950
geo-revention, and filling in the void, and the bridge with the concrete and ground

996
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:55,370
etc. The total estimated cost of this project is going to be about 8 million dollars.

997
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:56,510
Next slide, please.

998
01:16:58,930 --> 01:17:01,070
Again, this is just a repetition of previous slide

999
01:17:01,070 --> 01:17:03,370
in the tabular manner, so we can skip this one

1000
01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:04,330
and go to the next slide.

1001
01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:04,990
Next slide.

1002
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:08,930
We'll get to the then true accounting locations.

1003
01:17:09,170 --> 01:17:11,090
And here, we have two identified locations.

1004
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:12,870
One is the rink and point on the north,

1005
01:17:13,090 --> 01:17:14,870
and another one is Emma Woods on the south.

1006
01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:15,990
Next slide, please.

1007
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,480
The rink and point is on the left side,

1008
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,740
the top left image, for a significant area of open erosion

1009
01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:25,240
above the track surface in a flow,

1010
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,740
and Emma Woods state features on the right side,

1011
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:29,900
in the Atoy Ocean at the base slope passing of stone.

1012
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,880
The proposed repair work is installation of storm drains,

1013
01:17:33,220 --> 01:17:34,840
placement of rocks, re-wetment strategies

1014
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,460
to stabilize the top of the slope.

1015
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,840
And you can see from the top left image,

1016
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:41,320
the locals and the private farmland

1017
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,680
has tried to stabilize some portion of the land.

1018
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,740
And the same strategy needs to be done

1019
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,700
using the fiber rules and the benching of the slope

1020
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:50,160
except trying rating of the slope

1021
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,860
for the safer slopes for the remaining of the stretch.

1022
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:55,340
So at this location, the total project cost

1023
01:17:55,340 --> 01:17:56,760
would be approximately $5 million.

1024
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,200
So again, this is a tabular matter for rank and point

1025
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,520
in M-I-Word state beach.

1026
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:05,060
And we can skip this slide and go to the next one.

1027
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:08,300
So now we are in the orange county.

1028
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:10,000
And here, we have Piper's shore that

1029
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,760
is planting me on the south end.

1030
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,220
And as well as approximately 7.4 miles long stretch

1031
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:17,400
across the line, in the orange county,

1032
01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:19,700
there are various erosion or the blood civilization

1033
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:20,680
we should expect.

1034
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:21,960
Next slide, please.

1035
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:28,100
So these are the images from the last year at Cycle Shores, exactly meaning.

1036
01:18:28,580 --> 01:18:32,620
This isn't a backyard of a residential community, and as you can see, there was a significant

1037
01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:34,820
movement and flow along east of Tracks.

1038
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,960
We've lost the top part of the Tracks to shift the more than two feet, causing the service

1039
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,340
interruption of Tracks by three weeks in September of 2021.

1040
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,640
At the right place, the risk limit or the plastic, the shooting at this location to address

1041
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,940
the crack and torque of loss and drainage of the very temporary solution.

1042
01:18:49,940 --> 01:18:52,160
And this is a day major from the last year.

1043
01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:53,320
Next slide please.

1044
01:18:54,940 --> 01:18:57,960
So in order to address these concerns last year,

1045
01:18:58,060 --> 01:19:00,220
OCTA and MetroLink instituted repairs

1046
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:01,860
to the respite of tracks by placing

1047
01:19:01,860 --> 01:19:04,620
about 10,000 tons of rip rap along the ocean site,

1048
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,120
rip rap helped us point down the movement of flight.

1049
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,120
And earlier this year, again, there

1050
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,980
was a second sliding plane which was observed earlier this year,

1051
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,700
which was moving and organ second emergency in January of 2022.

1052
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,080
And small rip rap plays which flowed down the movement of planes.

1053
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:24,000
In all the efforts from last year and this year, and technically by using the RepRap, the

1054
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,680
speed restrictions, we were able to let the speed restrictions in third week of February

1055
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,840
2022 at the location and operations were used to the normal speed.

1056
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:38,280
OCCA is currently working on potential permanent solutions, such as placement of tiebacks on

1057
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,080
the inside of track for this location.

1058
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,220
The total budget cost would be approximately $7.5 million, and it's included in the

1059
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:48,340
to touch the applications that we find in March 2022.

1060
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:49,800
Next slide, please.

1061
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,100
So this is an investment to the various coastal issues

1062
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,560
along the 7.4-mind stretching orange county.

1063
01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:58,420
Like I mentioned in the previous slides,

1064
01:19:58,980 --> 01:20:00,660
the significance don't relate to damage

1065
01:20:00,660 --> 01:20:02,360
of erosion over the past several years

1066
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:03,460
and taxes trying to reach

1067
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:05,320
and several other locations having observed.

1068
01:20:05,860 --> 01:20:08,420
In this estimated cost of about $7.5 million,

1069
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,160
team is worth an obtaining environmental clearance

1070
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:13,580
and performing preliminary engineering work.

1071
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:15,260
This may involve working closely

1072
01:20:15,260 --> 01:20:19,000
the coastal commission to address some intense concerns, such as beach nourishment,

1073
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:24,160
beach intrusion strategies, and the other solutions, such as the p-walls, re-vegment,

1074
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,400
or even possible change in track alignment horizontally or vertically.

1075
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:33,200
So $7.5 million does not include the design and the construction phase because it's the

1076
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,800
beginning of a very significant project, a very costly affair, and it's a large stretch,

1077
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,880
along the orange county. This is also included in the terms of application. Next slide please.

1078
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,940
So, all right, we are at the very south end of Los Angeles corridor, in San Diego County,

1079
01:20:49,220 --> 01:20:53,560
and here the coastal erosion issues extend approximately due to 3 miles as we are aware,

1080
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,260
from Coast Polymer to Torrentine's forehead branch.

1081
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:58,020
Next slide, please.

1082
01:20:59,580 --> 01:21:03,700
So, we will take a look at the phase by today, which is currently in the design, expanded leading

1083
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:07,500
in San Tremor of the project, the phases by verse in flow stabilization issues.

1084
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,100
So, phase by this happening is exactly where the previous phases have taken place.

1085
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,780
So phase 4 was completed in construction in 2021.

1086
01:21:15,980 --> 01:21:17,760
And because of the sea level wise

1087
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,700
and all the issues, the future phases

1088
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:22,120
keep happening at a sea of locations.

1089
01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:24,940
So in this layout, you can see the yellow

1090
01:21:24,940 --> 01:21:27,100
are some retrofit areas where Sandag

1091
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,960
had done some measurements and had implemented

1092
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,460
the slow stabilization efforts in the past phases.

1093
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,140
There's one to phase 4, and it needs a more reward.

1094
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,240
And then the view areas are the new stabilization areas.

1095
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,240
And also shown as some view lines,

1096
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,540
which are the proposed seawall or extension of existing seawalls which are reflected in the

1097
01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:50,460
ground lines. Next slide please. So here the picture is represented, which I just explained.

1098
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:56,760
The top left image represents how standard extended seawall at certain locations where previously

1099
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:01,020
seawalls were constructed to address the erosion in tradition. And the bottom right picture

1100
01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:05,840
represents how slow forward, leading to need the most low civilization to work at locations

1101
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,380
of their support columns along with a tie-back

1102
01:22:08,380 --> 01:22:11,420
and saw in the previous phases for blood stabilization.

1103
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:13,480
So as you can see from the right image,

1104
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,660
the bottom right image, the support columns

1105
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:18,660
were there, the CGH-Python saw along with a tie-back.

1106
01:22:19,180 --> 01:22:22,280
But again, the scouring has happened almost all the days

1107
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:22,640
to them.

1108
01:22:23,220 --> 01:22:24,440
So I think the more work now.

1109
01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:28,580
So for more information of phase five ongoing work

1110
01:22:28,580 --> 01:22:31,200
at Delmar, most of the emergency repair work is done.

1111
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,020
Phase five is funded through construction.

1112
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:35,660
Currently it's in design phase at almost 50%

1113
01:22:35,660 --> 01:22:40,840
stage and the project ledger's global slope stability issues, including seismic and general

1114
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:45,340
civilization names. It will also include training systems as well as include additional

1115
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:50,340
flow civilization issues such as placement of course support columns. Sandag is currently

1116
01:22:50,340 --> 01:22:54,180
working on obtaining requirements from required agencies including course of permission,

1117
01:22:54,620 --> 01:23:00,460
and construction is anticipated to start sometime in 2023-2024. Also, I want to make clear that

1118
01:23:00,460 --> 01:23:05,100
the demoers are led by the Sandag, so they are the lead agency as well as the project sponsors.

1119
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:17,360
So, this is the summary of the previous slides, and we will just summarize the real site in Santa Barbara and Ventura counties. We identified five locations. All of them are included in a terse of application.

1120
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:25,920
U.P. is already performing some of the emergency work such as the rip-rap, etc. U.P. has provided matching funds in support of terse of application.

1121
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:31,600
And to us, the application included about $15 million for the Orange County locations along

1122
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:32,220
coastal line.

1123
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,720
One of them is for the permanent tiebacks, such as the Sanctumini and Cyprus, and others

1124
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,720
to take off and start the P-A-E-D phase for seven and a half miles of stretch along the

1125
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:41,280
coastal line.

1126
01:23:41,900 --> 01:23:45,760
In San Diego County, Sanlight is leading all the efforts, and currently they are wrapping

1127
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,280
up a emergency work as well as proceeding in human forward, where they are 60% designed for

1128
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,260
or baseline, which could go in construction in 2023, 2024.

1129
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,360
Along with all this, all the agencies and stakeholders

1130
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,380
are coordinating and participating in quarterly blood

1131
01:24:00,380 --> 01:24:02,120
meetings, which are organized and spread

1132
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,820
by those companies for reviewing and brainstorming

1133
01:24:04,820 --> 01:24:07,080
some of the critical issues and potential solutions.

1134
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:10,980
UP, Sandag, and the TD-Losa, and also conducted a job

1135
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:13,920
by Bob of February, 2022 for understanding

1136
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,560
and discussion of problems and facts and solutions

1137
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,240
to these significant erosion issues.

1138
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,600
Next slide please.

1139
01:24:23,730 --> 01:24:25,350
And this is the cross-systemic breakdown

1140
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:27,630
of terrestrial grant application by Priority

1141
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:28,570
and Project Covenant.

1142
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:30,690
We review all of these projects and locations

1143
01:24:30,690 --> 01:24:31,630
in previous slides.

1144
01:24:32,190 --> 01:24:35,150
It was submitted by Lofan and prepared in coordination with UTA

1145
01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:35,710
and OTA.

1146
01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:39,470
And total cost is 73.355 million dollars.

1147
01:24:39,970 --> 01:24:41,550
And we expected it as well in a few months.

1148
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:43,030
Next slide please.

1149
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,040
So, this concludes the presentation on coastal flow

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,120
issues and I would be happy to answer any questions.

1151
01:24:50,940 --> 01:24:51,300
Thank you.

1152
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:52,140
Thank

1153
01:24:58,410 --> 01:25:00,090
you, Ms. Sharma, for the excellent presentation.

1154
01:25:00,090 --> 01:25:07,050
It really points out how precarious the rail line is on the coastline and how challenging

1155
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:08,570
these issues are for the agency.

1156
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:11,530
So thank you very much for highlighting that in great detail.

1157
01:25:12,010 --> 01:25:16,170
I see Director Moscow and Director McDonald's have their hands up, so Director Moscow.

1158
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:16,810
Yes.

1159
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:17,510
Thank you, Chair.

1160
01:25:17,790 --> 01:25:22,770
I just wanted to also join in and say thank you, Ms. Sharma, for the presentation.

1161
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:24,030
Excellent presentation.

1162
01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:29,590
really highlights the the critical challenges that we have court or wide and I just have two points,

1163
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:35,750
which is one that we should continue these stabilization efforts court or wide. And second point,

1164
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:41,230
we really need to make sure that we're doubling down on those efforts of collaboration with all

1165
01:25:41,230 --> 01:25:47,270
the member agencies. So thank you so much, Ms. Somers. Thank you, Director Mosker, Director McDonald.

1166
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:53,350
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the presentation, excellent information. And I don't know that you'll have

1167
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:55,290
of this information that will be up

1168
01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:57,910
and in terms of the rank on points,

1169
01:25:58,090 --> 01:26:00,290
slope occurs, is there any anticipated

1170
01:26:00,290 --> 01:26:01,570
start date for that?

1171
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:08,020
Thank you, Director McDonald,

1172
01:26:08,620 --> 01:26:09,920
and to Chair, I'll answer the question.

1173
01:26:10,220 --> 01:26:12,080
So right now, we are currently waiting

1174
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,980
for a third of application funds results.

1175
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:17,560
We should be getting them, I hope, in May or June.

1176
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:19,440
Health service will be approaching us

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01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:21,380
and then be telling us what's going on with it.

1178
01:26:21,940 --> 01:26:23,280
So based on that, we'll move forward.

1179
01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:25,140
We'll leave some of the efforts in the project

1180
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:27,820
to discuss otherwise we'll see some of the assided funds.

1181
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:31,000
And so it can be based on the priority

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01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,660
of the criticality and to address

1183
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:36,780
the most urgent safety concerns along the corridor.

1184
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,440
And that's how we move forward.

1185
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,120
But definitely, it's included in the terms of application.

1186
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:44,560
And if you get the funds, the project can move forward.

1187
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:46,840
Thank you very much.

1188
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:48,120
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1189
01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:50,000
Thank you, Mr. McDonald and Director Muller.

1190
01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:54,550
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1191
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:59,510
There was a great presentation and thank you for doing that.

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01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:09,050
We looked at the real issue of the coastal erosion and losing our beaches and how effective beach replacement is going to be.

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01:27:10,130 --> 01:27:20,230
Our San Clemente actually moved about a million dollars worth of sand out of the data point harbor down to North Beach two years ago in the first big storm washed it all away.

1194
01:27:20,230 --> 01:27:22,670
And so is that really where we should be looking?

1195
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:25,830
I know, Chair Hart, I had an interesting conversation

1196
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:28,230
a couple of weeks ago about the letter B.

1197
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:29,630
And I'm definitely gonna come up

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01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:31,010
and check out what's going on up there.

1199
01:27:32,050 --> 01:27:38,610
But as after effect or side effect of all the debris flows,

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01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:40,610
they actually had some debris drop there

1201
01:27:40,610 --> 01:27:42,090
and it's starting to catch that sand

1202
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:43,530
and it sounds like it might be coming back.

1203
01:27:44,110 --> 01:27:45,510
Is that something we're talking about

1204
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:49,730
is maybe taking a look at building some offshore measures

1205
01:27:49,730 --> 01:27:53,750
that could actually capture that sand and prevent the undermining of the tracks.

1206
01:27:55,190 --> 01:28:02,230
Thank you, Director, to the chair. So, at San Flanini, for $7.5 million, we asked the Curse of Application,

1207
01:28:02,630 --> 01:28:06,390
and that's just for the study of some of these items that you just brought up,

1208
01:28:06,590 --> 01:28:10,670
which is like the beach nourishment or the beach inclusion, and how do we address them?

1209
01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:16,670
For $7.5 miles along that orange county line, the various implementation measures

1210
01:28:16,670 --> 01:28:21,010
thing to take place could be the construction of the sea walls or could be the construction of

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01:28:21,010 --> 01:28:25,730
the support columns as well as the beach. But all of them would need to be reviewed and they

1212
01:28:25,730 --> 01:28:30,110
would definitely go to the post-admission because all of that work would need post-admission

1213
01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:37,050
certification to be in approval. So that's why OPPS want to move forward with all those studies and

1214
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:42,510
and they will be analyzed as soon as we get the funds and the money for that work.

1215
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:50,590
Thank you. Supervisor Park lift from the fifth district here in Orange County put together a coastal resiliency group. So we have.

1216
01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:52,190
Amtrak's involved.

1217
01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:57,590
OCT has involved state parks, county parks, the different cities along the corridor.

1218
01:28:57,990 --> 01:29:03,210
It's a pretty large organization. And so we are taking a look at this. And I mentioned low sand.

1219
01:29:03,490 --> 01:29:07,910
It might be make sense for low sand to be a part of that as well. And I do think it does make sense.

1220
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:12,790
And so it's something to take a look at, but we are taking a look at getting out into the water.

1221
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:14,670
That's one of the things we need to start talking about.

1222
01:29:14,770 --> 01:29:21,610
We capture that beach sand before it gets so deep that the next storm will blow it up back onto the beach. So thank you for that.

1223
01:29:23,230 --> 01:29:34,190
Thank you, director Miller. And just to share with the rest of the board, the conversation the director Miller and I had was about the response to the Thomas debris flow after the big fires that we had.

1224
01:29:34,190 --> 01:29:38,190
of our county. A lot of material got moved to the beach because there's no other place to put

1225
01:29:38,190 --> 01:29:42,290
that. And in that material, there's a lot of cobblestone and it was placed on Golida Beach.

1226
01:29:42,850 --> 01:29:47,710
And I don't think anybody knew that it would end up being an anchor to hold sand,

1227
01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:53,550
but it is weathered through a number of winter storms now. And there was actually a subsequent

1228
01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:59,390
placement of that material at Golida Beach in a future year that also cost a little bit of a toe

1229
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:59,970
Hold and see.

1230
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,940
And it seems to be working. You know, it's obviously the coast is complex, probably wouldn't work in every situation, but we need an extensive tool bag to address a feature plungement. And that's one strategy that may have application of the places. But obviously, ultimately, the coastal commission is going to be the permitting authority for all these strategies. And we're going to have to work collaboratively with them because the asset that is the low sand corridor is a nationally critical asset. And we got to figure a way to protect it and keep the trains

1231
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:33,420
So, thank you again for the wonderful presentation, Ms. Sharma.

1232
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:35,740
I'm sure we're going to talk about this for many many years.

1233
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,980
Are there any other comments or questions from board members?

1234
01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:42,600
Are there any public comments on this item?

1235
01:30:43,740 --> 01:30:48,900
To comment in real time, raise your hand or select star nine to raise your hand.

1236
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:52,680
Seeing none, you may proceed.

1237
01:30:54,820 --> 01:30:57,740
Thank you, Madam Clerk, and there is no action required on this item.

1238
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,880
It's an informational item, so thank you again, Ms. Sharma.

1239
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,800
brings us to item number nine, which is public comments.

1240
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:04,760
Are there any public comments?

1241
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,420
Anyone that would like to speak to address the board

1242
01:31:07,820 --> 01:31:09,260
on items that are not on our agenda?

1243
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,340
To comment, please select raise hand or star nine.

1244
01:31:15,820 --> 01:31:16,840
Seeing none, you may proceed.

1245
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:19,120
Thank you, Madam Burke.

1246
01:31:19,860 --> 01:31:21,040
That concludes that item.

1247
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:22,400
It brings us to item number 10,

1248
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,940
which is the Managing Directors Report.

1249
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:24,640
Mr. Jewel.

1250
01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:29,020
Good morning again, Chairman Hart and members of the board.

1251
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,280
I just wanted to start off with some positive news.

1252
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,320
Our March ridership exceeds 133,000 riders,

1253
01:31:39,860 --> 01:31:42,780
which is an increase of about 35% over the prior month.

1254
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,680
And it's our highest monthly total since last summer.

1255
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:47,540
So that's very good news.

1256
01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,840
Preliminary April ridership is also positive

1257
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,300
and indicates that we may exceed our previous

1258
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:55,080
post-pandemic peak this month.

1259
01:31:55,540 --> 01:31:58,120
We're also working with CalTrans and Amtrak

1260
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:04,380
on having the necessary equipment, the crews and funding available to restore an 11th round trip

1261
01:32:04,380 --> 01:32:10,160
between San Diego and Los Angeles, hopefully prior to the 4th of July weekend. And this will help

1262
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:15,880
address the anticipated surgeon ridership that we typically have experienced in July and August

1263
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:28,100
associated with events during those months. Also this past Friday on April 15th, we reopened the

1264
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:33,400
the passengers traveling to and from the Anaheim resort to reduce cost during the pandemic

1265
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:38,220
were forced to close several stations along the Pacific surf liner route. And while passengers

1266
01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:43,920
were still able to get on and off at these stations, there were no longer staffed and provided

1267
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:49,560
no services to passengers during that time. However last summer, we were able to open Salona

1268
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:56,000
Beach and Irvine. Also on April 15th, we restored baggage service to the Pacific surf liner.

1269
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:02,140
This was another service that was temporarily suspended to save cost during the pandemic.

1270
01:33:03,020 --> 01:33:07,180
And it's a service that our passengers have been requesting to be restored.

1271
01:33:07,820 --> 01:33:11,180
And both of these service restorations were achieved at no additional cost

1272
01:33:11,180 --> 01:33:15,580
to the Losan Agency, thanks to other cost-cutting measures that were introduced

1273
01:33:15,580 --> 01:33:18,740
in collaboration between staff and Amtrak.

1274
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:23,800
And last but not least, we have hired a new marketing manager.

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01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,080
Her name is Pooja Thomas Patel.

1276
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:29,040
She comes with us from the private sector.

1277
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,740
She has over 15 years of experience.

1278
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:40,340
And prior to joining us most recently, she was in charge of a statewide market segmentation

1279
01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:43,400
efforts in cooperation with CalTrans DRMT.

1280
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,980
So we welcome Pooja and we are excited to have her on board.

1281
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:51,120
And with that summary, those are my managing director's report.

1282
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,140
I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.

1283
01:33:53,980 --> 01:33:54,620
Thank you, Mr. Joel.

1284
01:33:54,780 --> 01:33:55,980
Appreciate hearing the good news.

1285
01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:59,560
That's it's a welcome addition to our discussion today.

1286
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,440
Are there any questions from Mr. Joel?

1287
01:34:06,420 --> 01:34:10,300
Are there any public comments on the Intra Managing Director's report?

1288
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,120
Mr. Joel, we do see a raise hand from Janet Rogers.

1289
01:34:16,540 --> 01:34:17,400
Thank you, Ms. Rogers.

1290
01:34:17,740 --> 01:34:18,300
Please go ahead.

1291
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:20,580
Hello.

1292
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:23,560
I have a quick question to Mr. Joel.

1293
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,920
on restoring that 11th trip down to San Diego.

1294
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:29,960
What time of the day would that be?

1295
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:31,560
Would that be during the day?

1296
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:34,520
Or would that be the 4th train that stays overnight?

1297
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:35,500
Thank you.

1298
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:43,040
To Joel, do you know how through the chair,

1299
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:46,200
Jason Jewel, Liz and Agency Interim Managing Director,

1300
01:34:46,780 --> 01:34:49,180
they will not be the overnight train,

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01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:51,020
but for more specifics,

1302
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:52,880
I would like to defer that question

1303
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,620
to our Operations Officer, James Campbell.

1304
01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:15,840
afternoon everyone. Chairman Hart, through the chair, the additional round trip we're looking at would be a midday round trip that would be a mid-morning out of Los Angeles and an evening train departure out of San Diego.

1305
01:35:16,180 --> 01:35:19,860
So it would not be another overnight train for San Diego at this time.

1306
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,580
Thank you, Mr. Campbell and Mr. Jules and thank you, Ms. Rogers, for the question.

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01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:35,100
I believe that concludes public comment on the managing director's report, which brings us to item 11, which is the board member's report.

1308
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:41,540
So I'd like to open the floor to directors to offer any reports and I see the director strong has to send up. Please, director strong.

1309
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:48,480
Thank you, Mr. Chair. And as you know, I represent all of the regions of the United States

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01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:54,800
on transportation in Washington, D.C. And also I'm the rail chair for the National League

1311
01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,940
of Cities, our co-chair. And those capacities we have had talks with the administration of

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01:36:00,940 --> 01:36:05,880
especially with some of their senior officials. And this is just a heads up for our member agencies

1313
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,300
to use who are going after grants.

1314
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:11,620
And that is when your, pardon me,

1315
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,760
when your agency engineer is doing the grant applications,

1316
01:36:16,260 --> 01:36:19,540
they concentrate very heavily on the infrastructure aspect

1317
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:20,060
of it.

1318
01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:24,120
But the people who are analyzing those grant applications

1319
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:25,440
are not engineers.

1320
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:27,520
They are political people.

1321
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,340
So what they're looking for is what does this do

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01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:31,740
for our constituents?

1323
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:33,660
What does it do for the public?

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01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:58,540
So there are going to be training courses available and there is advice available from the respective agencies if you seek it to get your city engineers or or county engineer to understand exactly how to frame some of these grand applications to emphasize the benefit of public and how it reaches not just me but us.

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01:36:58,540 --> 01:37:06,280
So the broader the the application to people, the better regard there is for that application.

1326
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:14,500
So the broader segment of population that is served, that gives a lot higher consideration, just a heads up for everybody.

1327
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:16,100
Thank you.

1328
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:17,000
Thank you, Dr. Strong.

1329
01:37:18,180 --> 01:37:20,060
Any other directors would like to make a report?

1330
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:25,140
I see Vice Chair Edson and then Director Telemontis.

1331
01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:26,700
Yes, thank you.

1332
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:36,740
NCTD News, NCTD submitted a congressional-directed spending request to fund the design of the double-tracking projects through Camp Pendleton.

1333
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:49,540
This area of track is currently single-tracked, which results in negative impacts to OTP and constraints planned increases to passenger and freight frequency.

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01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:57,200
This project complements natural links, CPP, Sarah, a project that provides double tracking in

1335
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,860
single mini, so fingers crossed on that one.

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01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:12,940
Coaster Boardings for February 2022, total 38,831, which is an 893.7% increase compared

1337
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:16,200
as your year-over-year queue February 2021.

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01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:23,020
So it looks like things are coming back and moving in the right direction and we're welcoming passengers. Thanks.

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01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:27,220
Thank you, Vice Chair Edson. Director Telemontis.

1340
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:36,160
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to thank my director, colleagues, for a very insightful discussion this morning.

1341
01:38:36,780 --> 01:38:44,240
I really enjoyed it and I got a lot of it. And for your leadership, Mr. Chair, thank you for leading us in this very difficult discussion today.

1342
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:44,820
Thank you.

1343
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:45,720
Thank you.

1344
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:46,580
Director Tom Notchis.

1345
01:38:46,820 --> 01:38:47,400
Very kind of you.

1346
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:48,400
Director Murray.

1347
01:38:49,820 --> 01:38:50,560
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1348
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:57,160
Jason, I want to congratulate you and the increase in ridership with a question.

1349
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:04,060
Now that Angel baseball is starting in the past, we've had promotions for jumping on the train

1350
01:39:04,060 --> 01:39:05,400
to go to games to and from.

1351
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,360
Do you anticipate any promotions in the future?

1352
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:09,020
Through

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01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:20,620
to the chair, to answer your question, Director Murray, during the pandemic, as you

1354
01:39:20,620 --> 01:39:25,040
all are probably aware, we did scale back our marketing efforts quite considerably.

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01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:31,780
And we were also reduced as far as the state-funded marketing funding that's provided to us.

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01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:37,840
I know our marketing team with the leadership now of our new marketing manager is looking

1357
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:44,080
at all types of opportunities to get out there and promote the service as we do as the ridership

1358
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:50,240
is increasing and we are looking to add that additional round trip but I will also defer

1359
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:56,740
that question to our administration officer Roger Lopez for any other specifics that they're

1360
01:39:56,740 --> 01:40:05,520
currently undertaking to address that further if he is available. Thank you.

1361
01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:08,930
Yes, thank you Jason

1362
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:14,590
through the chair. We do have some plans to engage in some opportunities with Angel Spaceball.

1363
01:40:14,590 --> 01:40:25,590
We have some advertising that is going on with the in-game, you know, the signage behind the second base and things of that nature.

1364
01:40:26,150 --> 01:40:30,670
Currently, we're still working on plans for maybe some sort of potential game trains.

1365
01:40:31,070 --> 01:40:36,610
Metro link kind of has the monopoly on those angels express game provisions.

1366
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:40,970
But we are working through some additional options as we go forward.

1367
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:47,230
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, thank you, Ryder and Jason.

1368
01:40:48,130 --> 01:40:48,930
Thank you, Director Murray.

1369
01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:50,230
Director Brown.

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01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:52,930
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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I also sit on the Metro League for the next official first gang.

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As of April 4th, the first railroad in the United States

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has started operating all their locomotives,

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and the diesel ground powered equipment using renewable diesel,

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Thank you for that great announcement. Appreciate hearing that. Good news. Director Miller.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to follow up on Director Murray's comment. This is probably going to be to Mr. Lopez.

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because you know, I live in South Orange County

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and I like going down to the Padres games.

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One of the problems we have during the summers,

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we can't get the train back.

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Is there any plan to take a look at all of the different events

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that happen in South Orange County and San Diego County

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and start planning specific trains?

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Like one train a week goes down to the Padres game

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or you've been, it could change day of the week

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based on the other events that are happening down there

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to make sure that we can get our residents back north

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at the end of the night.

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Yes, Director Muller, through the chair.

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That is event trains, as we call them,

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special event trains are something we have considered.

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Unfortunately right now, just because of the limitations on equipment,

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you know, planning those event trains is really difficult.

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But as we go forward and equipment becomes freer,

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that's definitely something that we're looking at in the future

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is to plan a train specific for events like

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you know, just whatever we can, we can get to get people back home, understanding that some of those end pretty late at night.

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But it's definitely something we're looking forward to as soon as the equipment becomes available.

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Okay. Thank you. And by the way, I did take the train down to San Diego last Thursday for the Padres. So I'm open or keep back on Friday.

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It's such a joy. I love doing that. And it was an interesting trip, but I had a lot of people on the train asking why can't we get a later train back so we can go down to more of these games.

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So thank you. Thank you, Director Miller. We know what sport you're a fan of. I think that

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is the last report from directors unless somebody else's hand wants to go up. So I'm not seeing

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anybody. So that'll conclude our meeting for today. The next regular scheduled meeting of

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the Losan Board is at 10 a.m. on Monday, May 16, 2022. Thank you all for your patience today.

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and our job before to see you soon.

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Have a great afternoon.