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[0:56] Before we start officially, we do have someone who kindly gave a note that there's a white Izuzu outside with their lights on that haven't gone off in the last four minutes, so they're probably going to be on for the rest of the night unless somebody wants to turn them off or face the consequences.
[1:29] Okay, I'd like to call a meeting back to order and motion, I moved to certified that I moved
[1:39] to go back and do a search.
[1:44] Ready to gather again?
[1:47] Okay, we have motion.
[1:49] We have a second.
[1:51] Any discussion?
[1:52] On favorite.
[1:53] Any opposed?
[1:55] Okay, we are now officially backed to open.
[1:58] There's motion to certified.
[1:59] I move to certify that the best of each member's knowledge, and only matters were discussed
[2:04] during the closed session where those lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements
[2:08] and identified in the motion by which the closed session was convened.
[2:13] For so it, the Virginia Code Section 2.2-3712D.
[2:18] D So I need a rule called vote starting with Mr.
[2:22] Gentry.
[2:22] Yes sir.
[2:23] Yes.
[2:27] We
[2:30] have the motion and we have the second.
[2:34] So we're done there so we're now certified to open the meeting.
[2:43] Welcome there.
[2:44] Welcome there everyone both here physically and also listening from home or wherever.
[2:50] We feel this is an important transparency aspect that we've been conducting over this past year.
[2:57] So this is a continuation of that principle.
[3:00] So we're going to start with the invocation by Mr. Barnes, and in the
[3:05] Prejud allegiance, you're welcome to stand if you choose to.
[3:11] Well, these are better cross alone, all the world go free.
[3:14] There's a cross that I ever wanted, there's a cross for me.
[3:17] Father God, a few of your humble service, we stand before you today, Father God, did the
[3:21] benefit of the transact to hit a day, Father God, better the people who live in this
[3:25] county.
[3:26] Father God, we'll be remiss, and we'll ask you to best out truth to protect us both
[3:29] fine and near.
[3:31] Blessed citizen, hit the wheel and your name, we pray, Amen.
[3:52] I'd like to get an adoption of the agenda.
[3:56] So we have a second.
[3:57] Okay, we have a motion.
[3:58] We have a second.
[4:00] Any discussion?
[4:01] On favor.
[4:02] Aye.
[4:02] Any opposed?
[4:03] Motion carries.
[4:06] All for motion to approve the minutes of the past meeting.
[4:09] Thank you.
[4:10] Any discussion?
[4:11] Any on favor?
[4:13] Any opposed?
[4:14] Motion carries.
[4:16] Motion to approve.
[4:17] Important in motion to approve the bills so second have motion in a second
[4:23] He discussion on favor and he opposed motion carries and call for motion to approve our consent agenda
[4:31] So move second motion in a second and he discussion on
[4:35] Favorite
[4:36] Any polls motion carries
[4:40] Recognitions
[4:41] Is there any recommendations could you make yes sir you have two recognitions in the first on the agenda
[4:46] is the Vehicle Achievement Award, which the county and more specifically the schools receive.
[4:51] So I believe we have Vehicle Representatives here and also members of our team from the schools.
[4:56] And I would invite you all to come down front.
[4:59] Stand up front.
[5:00] We'll be glad to present an award.
[5:07] Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Members of the Board.
[5:09] I'd like to have you stand right down front.
[5:11] And your team.
[5:15] Mr. Chair, I would be back with the Virginia Association of Counties.
[5:17] It's my distinct pleasure to be here in my home county.
[5:20] Louise to present the Vapeco Achievement Award, very quickly for the benefit of your constituents
[5:25] who may not be familiar with the Virginia Association of Counties.
[5:29] Vapeco was established in 1934 to aid county officials in the further midst of their duties.
[5:33] First and foremost is through our advocacy of the State and Federal Government, but also
[5:36] in providing support through our educational programs, member services, and communication efforts.
[5:42] In 2003, we established our Achievement Award program to recognize counties that have adopted
[5:47] Innovative Approaches Providing Public Services, Identifying Programs, and the Conservatives
[5:51] Models for other counties to emulate.
[5:54] And today I'm proud to present Louise Accounting with its Chief and Award.
[5:58] And just some quick other points.
[6:00] This is our 19th Annual Achievement Awards Program.
[6:03] We received 102 entries in 2021.
[6:06] And 30 winners were selected from 19 counties.
[6:09] It was truly competitive as only 29% of entries selected were selected as winners.
[6:14] And today, Louisa County has won eight achievement awards, and that includes the Best
[6:19] Achievement Award in 2012.
[6:22] And there were several criteria that our judges chose to consider whether the program offered
[6:27] the innovative solution to a problem situation or delivery services and whether it provides
[6:32] a model that other local governments can use.
[6:35] And today, as I said, as my district pleasure to recognize Louisa County for its wireless
[6:39] on wheels program, aptly acronymed as wow.
[6:43] because wow, this was a great program.
[6:46] So I'll let Dr. Dr. Strayley talk a little bit more about this,
[6:51] but providing internet services through an innovative way
[6:54] to the citizens and students of Louisiana County
[6:57] during a very trying time where virtual learning was needed.
[7:00] We were amazed that you basically
[7:02] megivered the internet for students.
[7:06] And in a truly altruistic fashion,
[7:09] public for blue friends and how you did it online.
[7:11] So the other counties across the Commonwealth
[7:12] could choose to death as if they wanted to.
[7:15] So we'd like to congratulate Louise Accounting
[7:18] Gans, excellent program.
[7:19] I'd like to say a few words briefly,
[7:22] and then we can present the award,
[7:23] and maybe get a picture of whatever recipients
[7:24] and the board members.
[7:26] Yeah, and I would really want to recognize these two gentlemen,
[7:28] right here, David Children's, Kenny Bowens.
[7:31] When we first knew, we were going to have some issues
[7:33] back in March 2020 with COVID.
[7:38] These two came to me, and when we were talking about internet issues
[7:41] and said, we've got to think outside the box.
[7:44] We've got to come with a different solution.
[7:46] And we started tossing things out there
[7:48] and they took off, ran with it and came up with wow,
[7:51] our wow units, which still are out in our community today
[7:53] for our families and our students to use.
[7:56] I'm very proud of these two gentlemen in the team.
[7:58] And I just wanted to say thank you in public
[8:00] to these two gentlemen who really made a huge impact
[8:03] on our students and continue to make that impact on our families.
[8:06] As many of our families are adults in the community
[8:09] who are working from home
[8:11] We're using these units. In fact, I spoke to one yesterday out in the Food Line parking lot.
[8:14] He was parked there, using it as a workspace because they can't, they don't have the internet at home.
[8:20] So, I just wanted to recognize these two gentlemen. I wanted to thank you for this award as well.
[8:25] And to appreciate you all who helped fund this to make it happen for our community, our Board of Supervisors.
[8:31] We want to see who funded this effort as we took off with it.
[8:35] So, thank you to you for funding this for our community.
[8:37] And one final thing are students are now building these units for the community, so it's our career
[8:43] technical education of students who are now building these through the plans developed, of course,
[8:48] they're working with them to do it through the technology classes as well as building trades classes to make this happen.
[8:54] So it's pretty pretty phenomenal.
[8:56] Just a minute or so, just to explain, so there are audience fully understands these are hot spots
[9:02] And could you go into the number, I think there was 12 originally and there were place that strategic locations, right?
[9:09] Yes, there are hotspots put out in the community and originally.
[9:12] We said, hey, let's put these on buses. This was the original idea that came out.
[9:15] Let's put them on buses, park them throughout the community.
[9:18] This is when back in March of 2020 when we first went to pandemic first hits our community could have internet.
[9:24] And then we came out of that was these two gentlemen said, that's not going to work because eventually the buses are going to be on the road.
[9:29] And how we're going to get a power source,
[9:32] where if we want to put them in the middle of the food line,
[9:34] parking lot, how we're going to have a power source.
[9:35] So let's do solar powered Wi-Fi hotspots
[9:40] in different areas of the community.
[9:43] So it's a solar powered unit.
[9:45] You pull up to it.
[9:46] If you're for the 150 feet, you gather the service,
[9:49] and you can do your work right there.
[9:51] So we have them in parks.
[9:52] We have them in parking lots.
[9:54] We have them in church parking lots.
[9:56] We have them in just various areas throughout the entire community.
[9:59] We have 33 I believe deployed right now, units throughout the community, and others that are waiting
[10:06] to be deployed.
[10:07] So if you have an area in the county that you would like to have one of these things put,
[10:11] we're happy to see you go out and see if it will work there and put it there.
[10:15] So members of our community can take hold, but again, really appreciate these two gentlemen
[10:20] and their efforts on this project and working with our students and teachers on it as well.
[10:24] Thank you.
[10:25] Thank you.
[10:30] We even have a pumpkin so that it looks seasonal.
[10:35] Come on, guys. Let's get you all up here behind them. Then you all can be in the background.
[10:42] We've got nothing to do.
[10:44] Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
[10:54] Let's go.
[10:55] I'm going to talk to you here.
[10:59] I'm going to talk to you.
[11:01] One, two, three.
[11:03] One, two, three.
[11:05] Thank you, John.
[11:07] You're welcome.
[11:08] This is my back.
[11:09] It's a second.
[11:10] You're welcome.
[11:11] You're welcome.
[11:11] Yeah.
[11:12] You're welcome.
[11:16] Thank
[11:19] you.
[11:20] Thank you.
[11:20] Thank you.
[11:21] Thank you.
[11:22] Thank you.
[11:26] Where's our representative, are you, guys?
[11:35] Mr. Chairman, a member of the Board, you have one more recognition on your agenda and that's a presentation of a memorial resolution,
[11:42] a posthumously for John Thomson, and I would like to invite Senator Reeves and his assistant if he would like to read this and also would invite,
[11:49] believe we have representative of Mr. Thomson's family, representative of Mr. Thomson's family, representative of Mr. Thomson's family.
[11:54] We're here tonight and we would love to have like come down front and stand up front while the resolution is right if they be so kind.
[12:21] Mr. Chairman, with your permission.
[12:24] Mr. Chairman, members of the chamber and the audience, it's my distinct privilege
[12:30] as a senator of the 17th District.
[12:33] One of the neat things we do get to do is recognize those great
[12:37] Virginians who have gone before us and blazed the path, so others can follow.
[12:43] And Mr. Chairman, I had the unique opportunity to put a bill forward for Dr.
[12:49] Thompson and I'd like to just read the resolution if I may.
[12:54] It's Senate Joint Resolution 320 celebrating the life of Dr. John E. Thompson.
[13:00] Patrons are a Reeves Bell, Boyzco, Hal Peak, Spurle, and Delegate Spiron Cole, two
[13:05] coals.
[13:06] Actually, Davis Fowler, Heritage, Hope, Resuel, Reed, Simon, Simmons, where in Watts, agreed
[13:12] to by the Senate on January 28th, 2021, and agreed to by the House of Delegate's February
[13:17] first 2021. It says, whereas Dr. John E. Thomason and his team mortician who made history
[13:22] as the first African-American elected to public office in Louisiana County died on July
[13:29] 22nd 2020. And whereas John Thomason founded Thomason funeral service in Louisiana County
[13:36] in 1951 and lovingly supported his community by caring for its mortuary and funeral needs for
[13:46] African-American elected official to serve Louisa County when he won a seat on Louisa County
[13:51] Board of Supervisors in 1979.
[13:54] After losing his seat in 1981, he would be re-elected in 1985, and ultimately served
[13:59] by a total of six years on the board as the Patrick Henry District Representative.
[14:04] And we're as during his tenure on the Louisa County Board of Supervisors John Thomason,
[14:09] helped the county achieve fiscal stability, plan for a responsible growth, and develop
[14:13] an implement crucial infrastructure project.
[14:16] He also gave generously of his time in talents
[14:18] by serving on various committees, boards, organizations,
[14:21] and, whereas John Thomason will be remembered as a leader
[14:25] who built consensus through his kind and compassionate nature
[14:29] and with his unique insights and approaches
[14:32] to Louisa County's most complex challenges.
[14:36] And whereas John Thomason was dedicated
[14:37] to the academic development and well-being of young people
[14:41] and was generous supporter, Louisa County High School
[14:43] and Sam Paul College. And whereas both the Virginia Mortist and Association and Sam Paul's
[14:49] College have bestowed the John E. Thomason Scholarships upon an untold number of students,
[14:54] helping many pursue their academic dreams. And whereas to recognize John Thomason's achievement in many
[15:00] Attributions to the Sampulse College Community. The school established the John E. Thomiston Student Center, and his honor, and whereas on August 17, 2020, this board, the Louisiana County Board of Supervisors, voted unanimously in favor of a resolution recognizing John Thomiston service, and his contributions to the Louisiana County Community.
[15:19] And whereas the judge, as whereas John Thomason will finally remember, and dearly
[15:24] missed by his wife Christine, his daughter, land, and numerous other family members and
[15:29] friends, now therefore, be resolved by the Senate and the House of delegates concurring that
[15:33] the General Assembly hereby note, with great sadness, the lost of Dr. John E. Thomason,
[15:38] a respect and artistic community leader, who had a profound and lasting impact on the
[15:44] lives in Louisiana County and be it resolved further that the clerk of the Senate prepared
[15:47] copy of this resolution for presentation to the family of Dr. John E. Thomason as an
[15:52] expression of the General Assembly's respect for his memory, signed, Susan Clarkshar,
[15:57] clerk of the Senate.
[16:26] But we'd like to come from the diocese, thank her for her service as well.
[16:30] I think that'd be great, Andrew.
[16:36] Good evening.
[16:38] Good evening.
[16:39] Good evening.
[16:39] First of all, I'll be remiss, Mr. Christine.
[16:43] I knew you had been personally and when I first ran for the Board of Surveillance, he's
[16:51] And he was sitting in his office and he had an old paymaster, and he was poor, and they gave him
[16:59] my first contribution ever as elected official.
[17:02] But Mr. Thompson was monumental in our community here in the winter.
[17:06] He was monumental at St. Paul's College.
[17:09] He never got away from him.
[17:11] And he had a lot of people in our community, and it gives me the chills that God had allowed
[17:16] me to step in his presence and be around a man such as Mr. Thompson was and I want to thank
[17:23] you all for sharing him with the Canada way that thank you so much.
[17:50] Thank you.
[17:54] Thank
[18:03] you.
[18:04] Thank you Mr. Christine.
[18:05] Thank you so much.
[18:06] God bless you.
[18:31] Yes, come on.
[18:31] This time to open the public comment period.
[18:37] This time I'd like to invite anyone who would like to speak on any subject that is not to be addressed later in this evening.
[18:43] I have one card.
[18:45] I ask anyone wishing to speak to step up, state your name, your address, and your voting district.
[18:53] You'll have three minutes to speak, and I'll let you know when you have 15 seconds left.
[18:58] And the first one, come up, recognize is Mr. Dave Keller.
[19:02] I
[19:07] just wanted to say I don't think we should be building more pipelines.
[19:11] We know the devastating effect fracking has done to our Earth.
[19:16] Excuse me sir.
[19:18] Name.
[19:19] Address and voting district.
[19:21] William David Keller.
[19:23] Louisa too.
[19:24] I believe it's on firehouse road.
[19:26] That Louisa too.
[19:27] Yes sir.
[19:29] 68.
[19:30] Honey suckling.
[19:31] Thank you.
[19:33] Anyway, I think fracking is a bad solution to our problem.
[19:36] We've got clean energy that's well within our grasp.
[19:40] I'd like to see us pursue that and stop building pipelines.
[19:44] Thank you.
[19:45] Thank you.
[19:47] That's all the cards I have.
[19:48] Wouldn't anyone else like to step up and speak?
[19:52] We're all bubbling with anticipation.
[19:54] I see us.
[19:55] Yes, sir.
[19:56] Step right up.
[19:57] Come on down.
[20:02] My name is Jim Wolf.
[20:05] 2034, Bicley Road.
[20:07] That's Patrick Henry 1.
[20:09] And I would like us very much to not have another pipeline for a fossil fuel.
[20:20] We need to not approve any increase or new use of fossil fuels.
[20:28] It's dangerous not a county in the whole country should be even considering anything to promote more fossil fuel use
[20:36] because of the danger to the environment, which we see everywhere.
[20:43] Soloring wind, power, or decreasing in cost every day.
[20:49] And this would be a multi-year project.
[20:52] Meanwhile, other source of energy are getting cheaper.
[20:55] And it's just not a good plan.
[20:57] Thank you, sir.
[21:00] Is there anyone else who would like to step up?
[21:09] Oh, the cards are there?
[21:10] Yeah, the cards are here.
[21:11] I'm Dr. Essing Knuckle, that I'm done in Mr. Lewis Stevens, why I live on 25th, I'm a trail
[21:19] and it's Louis XI, voting precinct. I would like to speak in opposition to this pipeline
[21:27] that's here. As a senior citizen, I understand that my research that faculty calls a dismount
[21:36] and the stability in the earth, and it also emits a discharge
[21:41] constant genetic chemicals into the air, and it's an old person living in the
[21:47] moody. So I think we have enough dangers in our area. We have prone to
[21:53] earthquakes. We have the nuclear plant and to add the gas pipeline across
[21:58] Louisa. I think we'll be sitting target for in a terrorist that wants to be in
[22:03] Thank you. Thank you.
[22:06] We have no more cards.
[22:09] Ms. Persel?
[22:15] First, I want to thank everyone on the board for expressing your concerns about this project.
[22:20] Let's check out how many pipe proposed check out how many pipe line?
[22:22] I want to particularly thank County staff for your diligent efforts to obtain information about this pipe line.
[22:29] I know you, but sorry.
[22:31] Tami for sale, 3, 2, 8, 8, 8, well, Dr. Trude in the Patrick Henry District, Patrick Henry
[22:35] wants. As I was saying, my apologies. I want to thank county staff for your efforts to obtain
[22:42] information and disseminate it to the public. As you all are aware, many in our community
[22:48] are very concerned about this project. This natural gas pipeline is proposed by a company
[22:54] that is eager to avoid regulation and oversight and it could across the heart of our county.
[23:02] In fact, this pipeline would go as it's proposed, would go about a half mile for my
[23:08] live and it would cut right through an area that has already seen its farms, its forest, its
[23:13] waterways, impacted by a project that had inadequate environment or regulation as has been
[23:24] And as we move forward in this process, I really hope that each of you will remember something
[23:29] that Mr. Adam said at the last meeting, which is there are seven of you who are chosen
[23:35] to represent just the citizens of Louisa County. And I hope you will center our interest
[23:41] in this process. I hope you will listen to us. And I hope you will do all you can to protect
[23:47] us, to protect our farms, our forests, our creeks, our streams and the land that we all love.
[23:55] Unfortunately, we are dealing with a company that has not been very forthcoming, so I hope
[24:01] you will ask the hard questions on our behalf.
[24:04] Thank you.
[24:05] Thank you.
[24:08] Once again, I ask, would anyone else like to speak?
[24:12] We have three comments which were submitted in writing, and those who submitted these comments
[24:18] asked that they'd be read into the record, so I would ask the boards allowance of
[24:21] to read those quickly into the record if you would be so kind.
[24:25] First one I have is dated 29th of September from Barbara Adams for the Save Coalition,
[24:34] Dear Mr. Bavvioc, the stop abuse of Virginia Energy, Save Coalition is comprised of
[24:40] local grassroots in larger state and nation-led organizations and has been directly supporting
[24:45] directly impacted people and regions and communities from toxic polluting and new fossil
[24:50] fuel infrastructure projects in the North and Eastern region of the Commonwealth for the past
[24:54] two years.
[24:55] We're focused on seeking accurate timely information and providing a platform to share information,
[25:00] concerns, and intervention opportunities, including to local state and national governments,
[25:04] agencies, and elected officials.
[25:06] Our most recent concern, regards the Chikam and the Chikamani Pipeline LLC's CBLLC.
[25:12] Intentioned to build an 83-mile, 24-inch diameter large pipeline to carry a fractured gas
[25:17] from the Transco pipeline through LaWisa and four other counties to serve the yet to be built,
[25:22] Chick-om and a gas fire electric plant in Charles City County.
[25:26] The recent petition, asking the SEC to wave oversight brings up many red flags about this
[25:31] company in this project.
[25:33] Mr. Thomas Hadwin, a former electric and guest utility executive and business slash economic analyst,
[25:39] is a knowledgeable and well-respected resource and consultant providing detailed expert insight
[25:43] and perspective to a wide range of recipients, including federal agencies, such as FERC, state
[25:48] agencies, many elected officials, and local organizations such as SAFE, with his approval,
[25:53] we are sharing Mr. Headwind's recent perspectives which are attached about check-on many
[25:57] pipeline LLC and its project with you and for you to share with other supervisors as we all discern
[26:02] how to best represent work with and on behalf of directly impacted landowners and communities.
[26:07] You're welcome to contact us with any questions or comments and for Mr. Headwind's contact information
[26:12] and respectfully barbarians, it's come at one.
[26:15] Do you agree on where she's from?
[26:16] I do not.
[26:17] It does not list an address.
[26:19] You go for a Drapado for a phone number.
[26:21] Yes,
[26:23] sir.
[26:24] Right here.
[26:25] Second one for Mary Crans, on Mount and Road,
[26:27] 545, Baker's Branch.
[26:28] I would like to thank the Board of Supervisors for their concern
[26:31] about how this pipeline will affect this citizens of Louisiana.
[26:34] It will not affect not only those in its direct bath,
[26:37] but it will affect all of us.
[26:38] Is Louisiana County the dumping ground,
[26:40] Chris Cross, by every transmission in pipeline
[26:42] that they don't want to put in a high-density location.
[26:46] Louisiana County is my home of 50 years,
[26:47] and I've been watching its pressures from increasing population around us
[26:50] squeeze us.
[26:51] We need to stand up and say no to harmful things like this.
[26:54] The pipeline does absolutely nothing for the county.
[26:57] It clear cuts a wide swath of land and makes it unusable.
[27:00] I know this because our church owns land with a pipeline across it,
[27:03] and I've been dealing with that company about what we can and cannot do.
[27:06] I can assure you that what this easement stipulates
[27:08] and what you can do are different.
[27:10] It's not fair, but they can afford the lawyers.
[27:13] This company's treatment of this board is made
[27:14] to abundantly clear that you are no more than a bug on their windshield.
[27:18] Thank you for telling the State Corporation Commission
[27:20] that we want them to regulate this.
[27:22] You're a crant.
[27:24] Lastly, from Ray Ely, President of Historic Green Springs,
[27:29] addressed to Mr. Irfan Kay Ali, the Managing Member of
[27:33] Jack Omni, Pipeline LLC, and copied to staff.
[27:37] Dear Mr. Alley, we are assuming that your research has brought to your attention the fact that
[27:41] your proposed pipeline for the WISI County traverses two properties which are encumbered
[27:45] with conservation easements that are perpetual and which run with the land and whose purpose
[27:49] prohibits such uses as this pipeline. The properties in question are tax map parcels 237 and 2314
[27:56] as found in the WISI County land maps and lied to the north and south of state route 22.
[28:01] The earlier of these conservation easements dates to 1973 and taken together these properties
[28:06] serve to protect not only valuable open space for the benefit of the public at large, but
[28:11] also to protect as buffering properties, a national historic landmark district of national
[28:16] significance to the people of the United States.
[28:19] You are here by put on notice that any action by your company to enter upon either of these
[28:24] properties for the purpose of preliminary work or actual work to establish a pipeline will
[28:29] be considered in a legal trespass and legal action will be taken to enjoy such trespass.
[28:33] Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter, Ray Ely.
[28:36] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board.
[28:46] Is there anyone else at the state?
[28:50] Please step right up.
[29:01] And before you start to make sure that microphone is in front of you,
[29:03] because when I make sure you're recorded properly.
[29:05] Thank you very much.
[29:07] My name is Josh Wavanna.
[29:08] I'm an Abermore County resident.
[29:11] And I don't know if loading district is necessary.
[29:14] Monochelle, I think.
[29:17] I just sort of come with a cautionary tale of words like this.
[29:23] sports like yours are faced with a lot of promises from companies like
[29:30] Chick-omani power LLC, which I guess was just established this year with the SEC, but
[29:39] for the last few years I've been working as an activist and also as a co-director of
[29:45] small organization called Art of Vism, Virginia, which works to connect artists and activists
[29:50] In the fight for environmental justice, in Virginia, primarily we've been fighting the mountain valley pipeline and the now canceled Atlantic coast pipeline and what I can tell you.
[30:00] A from my experiences over the last several years with those two projects are that these companies bring in a lot of promises
[30:07] of things that they cannot deliver and are not supported by facts. And that the negative effects
[30:16] of the pipeline will undoubtedly be dumped on county and state governments, as well as front
[30:26] communities having to deal with a project. We don't really know a whole lot about this pipeline,
[30:33] but I don't trust Dominion Energy a $50 billion corporation to build projects like these,
[30:40] so I certainly would not trust a small LLC that appears to have basically no employees and no
[30:49] site and no real concrete statement of purpose to build something like this. This power
[30:59] plant is supposed to serve. It's going to be obsolete as soon as it's built and I don't
[31:05] think it's going to be built.
[31:08] And it's also going to be a stranded asset. It's not in line
[31:12] with what the General Assembly has determined to be a reasonable future for fossil fuel
[31:19] use in Virginia,
[31:22] and in addition to all this, Mr. Ali has quite an interesting history
[31:27] working for what I see as industry front groups that, among other things, just sort
[31:36] of prey on developing countries to get them hooked on fossil fuels, and which are powered
[31:43] by think tanks that are powered by the industry.
[31:46] So, I would caution the board, and it seems like you are operating with much caution and with your Louisiana County citizens in mind to keep asking questions and ask for some due diligence.
[32:05] Your 10 seconds.
[32:06] 10 seconds. The Mount Valley Pipeline, on the other side of things powered by one of the largest
[32:13] fracking companies in the country has racked up more than 300 water quality violations in the state
[32:21] of Virginia and has been sued for $2.15 million by the Attorney General's Office and I know it's
[32:31] with over-promising, under-delivering, privatizing, the profits, socializing the costs.
[32:39] And, you know, you don't want to let this to go to the DEQ because you never know what
[32:45] they're going to do.
[32:46] Thank you.
[32:46] I'm over time, but just maybe take it into consideration.
[32:50] Thank you.
[32:51] First off, thank you for coming here and thank you for the message.
[32:55] Any other person?
[32:57] Yes.
[33:03] Hi, my name is Sue Frankel Strait. I live in Traveillance, and I just also wanted to echo
[33:09] what other folks have said. Sorry, we'd like an address and a voting district.
[33:13] Oh, 1, 6, 5, 6, go, Louisa Road. I believe it's Patrick Henry. I voted at Traveillance
[33:19] Electrical. Anyway, I just wanted to echo my thanks for the caution that the board has taken
[33:26] us far. I run a nature camp that abuts the trascot, some of the trascoline that's already there
[33:34] and have seen what that's done to the wildlife and I think that at this point it's been
[33:39] already bayed abundantly clear and you folks probably already have heard that we just don't need it.
[33:45] It seems like there's a lot going on and when we start counting right now anyway with development
[33:48] between solar panels and Zion's crossroads and the water and this just doesn't seem like anything
[33:53] that's going to be good for folks here for the land or for the future of the environment.
[33:58] So thank you for your consideration.
[34:00] Thank you.
[34:01] Okay.
[34:02] I'll make another plea.
[34:03] Is there any one else out there that would like to speak?
[34:08] Seeing none.
[34:09] I want to close the public comment period.
[34:12] Okay.
[34:13] It's now on the time of the agenda for the information discussion items.
[34:16] And the first one is a freedom of choice marker.
[34:21] I believe we have Mr. Vernon Fleming and possibly some other representatives to come up
[34:24] and make a presentation for you.
[34:27] We have a slide to step a leave we do.
[34:31] Freedom of the Chairman, members of the Board.
[34:33] My name is Vernon Flemning.
[34:34] I'm on the Board of Directors of the
[34:36] Louisiana Historical Society.
[34:37] And I'm here to talk about the Freedom of Choice project,
[34:40] which will result in a marker,
[34:42] but that would not be the end point.
[34:44] What you see is the picture of the Louisiana Historical
[34:46] House before it was destroyed.
[34:48] The purpose of this Freedom of Choice project is to capture
[34:51] the decisions that led to the partial integration of
[34:54] the University of Michigan Hospital in 1965.
[34:57] The objective is to educate the community on the events that happened prior to, and during
[35:02] that eventual period.
[35:04] I can go to the next slide, please.
[35:07] Here you see a picture and this was taken early in the school year in Louisiana High School.
[35:13] You'll see that the students have a lot in common, a lot of smiling faces, as many of us
[35:17] remember, back in the High School days of being in the hallway and greeting and meeting
[35:21] faces.
[35:21] But if you look on the left bank of lockers,
[35:25] near where the lockers stop,
[35:26] you see one face that is different from the others.
[35:30] Our name is a net West,
[35:32] but this picture kind of represents a sea of faces
[35:35] and what it may have felt like
[35:37] to those African Americans who integrate it
[35:40] with this kind of high school in 1965.
[35:43] It was a different experience,
[35:46] both for African Americans and white,
[35:48] but it's something that is part of history.
[35:50] The objective is not to rewrite history, but also to shine a light on something that was significant in the county and much need to be known by both students and adults alike.
[36:00] Next slide please.
[36:02] This is a picture of what the marker would look like.
[36:07] I'll kind of read it for you and read for yourselves on August 30th, 1965.
[36:11] In 11 years after the U.S. Supreme Court declared racial segregation of public schools
[36:16] unconstitutional.
[36:17] 13 African-American students form enrolled at the All Black A.G. Richigan High School, and All
[36:22] Black Elementary Schools, due segregated Louisiana County High School, despite state and local
[36:27] government efforts to deny access to equal education through such measures as massive
[36:32] resistance and separate but equal these students with the leadership and support of their parents,
[36:37] community members and the NAACP could graciously sought and obtain the equal education
[36:42] deserved by all children. All 13 graduated from music and high school with their respective
[36:46] classes and these students mentioned Vita Scott, Margie Lucas, Margie Lucas, William Mason,
[36:54] Joseph Morris, Steven Wright, Carolyn McGee, Julia Perkins, Joan Kuala's Conitella,
[36:59] Earl Burton, yours truly, Walter Scott, and Annette West.
[37:04] They all graduated, and next slide please, and I'll come back to the cause.
[37:09] The location of the market is going to be in front of the high school.
[37:11] You can see by the red star, it's adjacent to how we 22.
[37:17] We've got verbal approval today from a Mr. Bruce Henning with the Vita, for the location
[37:22] that was okay.
[37:23] And that's also approved by Mr. Goodwin and Dr. Straley, and also the high school principal
[37:28] that they were satisfactory with that location and if this board approved, that's what the
[37:33] location would be. The cost of the marker is $350 and that is why I'm here today
[37:39] is to seek your support for the funding. Next slide please. But we did present to the school board,
[37:45] the school board overwhelmingly supported the placement of the marker. We met with Dr. Strayless
[37:50] I mentioned and he and Mr. Downey approved the location. We've got approval from VLOT today.
[37:56] You notice that picture too, for a track of students, one very track of student, one really ugly one day like a ball.
[38:06] I said one that the top, very nice one, very ugly one day on the bottom right there in the corner.
[38:10] But Mr. Bala was there and wanted to thank him for helping to support this effort.
[38:16] And we couldn't let that picture go back, because he was our name right in 1965 also.
[38:21] But we hope to, if this board's approved and is willing to support with the funding to have
[38:29] they mark a audit by later this month, it's a 12 to 14 week lead time.
[38:34] We would like to have it back and install in place in February of 2022.
[38:39] And that's African-American history month, we think will be a good opportunity for the community
[38:43] to celebrate this event that happened in 1965.
[38:48] So I turn it over to questions if anyone has any list of ways.
[38:52] This marker going to be colored like you had or is it going to be like the ones you see that are gray with black on it.
[39:00] We're still working with the designer.
[39:03] So I know most this is not going through the state.
[39:05] So it's whatever we just have the choice of doing because we're paying.
[39:08] Okay.
[39:09] It's not going through the approval of the historical.
[39:11] It was just a serious question.
[39:12] I just have a curious mind.
[39:14] I know so much time has passed, what initiated this particular move at this particular time.
[39:22] Several things. First, the historic side of the C funding to do research on several African
[39:28] American history projects. But it was doing a breakfast meeting with my friends who realized
[39:34] this was a big event and warned it some investigation. But part of the research we interviewed 11
[39:41] of the 13 students, and also interview a lot of the non-black students, whites, and also
[39:46] one of the former teachers.
[39:48] And Mr. Brawler was one of those who agreed to be interviewed, and that was very enlightening,
[39:51] and that will be part of our research that won a capture as part of the story.
[39:55] So, the history doesn't end with the marker, is one concrete example of what happened, but
[40:01] also want to make sure that community has the history captured and to celebrate.
[40:05] Not to condemn, not to criticize, but just to celebrate.
[40:09] This was a major step in losing the county.
[40:11] Well, we've got some good news for you, Mr. Abbott.
[40:14] Mr. Fleming, thank you for being here.
[40:17] I appreciate the history lesson.
[40:22] I think it's kind of appropriate tonight that you're on the agenda.
[40:27] Mr. Thomson, who was the first African American
[40:29] elected the Board of Supervisors on the agenda.
[40:32] I also have you slide over in a minute
[40:36] Because when not too far, when this first came to the board, you know, there's also an organization here in the county community strong, which works with the community to try to improve relations basically between the police department, the sheriff's department and young African American men.
[40:59] I reached out to the Sheriff and the Sheriff's Department Foundation and mentioned this request was going to be before the Board of Supervisors.
[41:11] And if you notice the Sheriff and there's actually several folks here, Jim Braga, who's the President of the Foundation, Jane Williams, who is the Treasurer Detective Love and Major Roberts are here.
[41:26] But I'd like to ask the sheriff to come up just a minute because I think the sheriff has something he wants to say regarding this.
[41:35] Thank you.
[41:37] We talked about this. I was so impressed with this project that commemorates something that happened.
[41:46] It's very, very important in the history of our county.
[41:48] One is to get involved with it, it helps with the goals of the community strong and also the goals of the Louisiana County Sheriff's Department.
[41:58] After we got with the Sheriff's Foundation, what I'd like to announce is that we would like to pay half of the cost for this plaque.
[42:16] Our representatives up here, we have a check that's made out to the Louisiana County, specifically for that purpose.
[42:23] And I couldn't think of a better way to spend that money.
[42:36] Do you accept to take on me on Canada?
[42:41] It's the Chairman's coming up.
[42:43] I'll let you go.
[42:44] But again, I just wanted to say on behalf of the Sheriff's Department, on behalf of the Sheriff's Foundation,
[42:52] And the reason that community strong was reformed and reinvigorated a little over a year ago
[43:03] was unfortunately the catalyst was George Floyd's murder, but the sheriff's department
[43:08] and members of the community have been extraordinarily active in trying to make Louise a
[43:15] better place.
[43:16] Louise is a good place, but to make Louise a better place.
[43:18] And I just, again, want to give you all kudos, I think the sheriff interrupted me when I
[43:24] made the phone call to him, he said, we're in.
[43:26] We're in.
[43:29] So, again, I want to publicly thank the sheriff, the sheriff's department, the sheriff's
[43:33] foundation.
[43:34] Thank you.
[43:35] Now we'll take the check.
[43:36] Give Bob the check.
[43:37] to hand
[43:42] it over to this quick and very quickly. So I'm tempted to spend it on anything else.
[43:50] You've written no yet. We have a side that happened.
[43:55] The checks in the mail.
[43:58] We've got it tonight.
[44:00] I think they want to picture Mr. Chairman.
[44:02] Mr. Chairman.
[44:03] Everybody come up here.
[44:04] Go on, I'd like to take a closer look.
[44:07] Mr. Chairman.
[44:10] Yes, sir.
[44:19] Mr.
[44:39] Chairman.
[44:42] I'd be remissed, I'd thank the Sheriff's Department for being participants in this and Mr. Vernon.
[44:50] I've heard that but good things for me for Tom and Borrow.
[44:54] And you might be a really good guy, Tom Borrow, been saying you'll pray that I ha.
[44:59] But I do.
[45:00] They have a member of my district as one of the first, Ms. Jones calls.
[45:07] And I might, she might get me, because I thought I was a system to about, I think I was a reminder,
[45:12] but Jones was one of the first students there. And she's a sense, move back from Atlanta to Louisiana.
[45:21] And so, thank you all for working hard.
[45:27] And due to his honor of being involved in this, and we haven't heard the interview yet,
[45:33] but I think Mr. Barlow has a comment.
[45:39] I'm a violent contact with me about this, but we've also been to his house with the historical
[45:46] society, just the group that was there in 65, and when Barlow presented me with this,
[45:55] thought, you know, it's a fantastic idea. So we've trying to get it on a genus, so I called
[46:02] everybody and that's when Mr. Adams got in touch with Sheriff Low and we've trying to figure
[46:12] how to fund this and he took a big bite out of it immediately.
[46:19] I think it's a great thing to
[46:21] put it in front of the school like you done. The school board has already supported it.
[46:28] So, I would make a motion that we supported as well and pick up the other half,
[46:37] which actually would be 15-55, I believe, the cost of the monument or black was 35-55.
[46:47] Such a how emotional side there. We have motion in a second in discussion on favor
[46:52] And he pose motion carries. I think it does bear some significance though because this is a historical moment
[47:00] In Mr. Barlow's life. He actually asked for money
[47:12] Also instruct
[47:15] Must die be hard to make clear know to that
[47:18] We would absolutely be the last time
[47:23] Mr. Chairman, just for the record, Mr. Bartol, I'd like to point out when you were
[47:28] in the eighth grade, I was three.
[47:32] But look how well I made you.
[47:35] Fair point, fair point.
[47:38] Okay, that was really, really.
[47:41] There was one.
[47:43] That's what it was.
[47:46] Our next presentation is on, who's the kind of water authority, quarterly update with our
[47:51] It's a very prestigious, this spam moment.
[47:56] Any water authority fully supports the placker.
[47:59] We need to make sure you market, or we have a water line that runs through there.
[48:02] I'm going to make sure you don't hit that when you put that in.
[48:07] Good evening, Chairman Babby.
[48:08] I can members of the board.
[48:09] Thank you for the opportunity to provide you with update on the authorities activities over the past quarter.
[48:14] I'm going to start with COVID.
[48:15] I've been hacking and coughing.
[48:16] I am COVID-free.
[48:17] I have bronchitis.
[48:18] I'm trying to recover from.
[48:20] But that's what's going on here.
[48:22] We are currently updating our policies to incorporate the newest standards coming into effect on October 8.
[48:29] We will be applying for COVID relief to help residents with past due utility bills and our current past due balance.
[48:37] When I was here in June and gave you the update, it was about $4,000.
[48:41] We are over 17,000 now in the Rears for customers.
[48:45] Cutoffs are now permitted as of the end of August and we have been implementing those when we can and working with folks as often as we can.
[48:55] In the office, we lost a 14 year employee on August 14th Margaret Clark suddenly passed away. She was our accounting clerk. Amy Dunovan has been promoted to that position and Michelle coffee is now fully in charge of the front desk as our officer at first impressions.
[49:12] Sun's Tribe, the solar company that is installing solar at the schools was contacted to
[49:18] do an analysis to see if they could offer the authority any cost savings at our facilities.
[49:24] And they did a thorough review with their engineering team, but unfortunately they said that
[49:29] this time they are not able to offer us any savings on electricity.
[49:33] The auditors have completed their on-site work, so I'm sure there will be some questions
[49:37] along the way, but that should be finalizing soon.
[49:40] We're currently evaluating the liability created to the authority by offering customers automatic draft payments.
[49:50] We have to be able to do this in a way that we conform to the red flag rules that we're evaluating that with the county attorneys office currently.
[49:58] We continue to work with VDOT on the realignment at Chuck level road and school bus road.
[50:04] For the Northeast Creek Water Treatment Plant, we are down to one structure being demolished
[50:10] and removed as part of the security assessment that was completed there.
[50:15] And we're going to do that when we replace a valve that is broken at the plant.
[50:19] So we're hopefully get that done here this fall, speaking a fall, the fall protection
[50:24] for OSHA requirements is being addressed.
[50:26] We have one deck that we need to finalize, but lumber prices are through the roofs
[50:31] we're waiting for that to stabilize somewhat.
[50:34] The American Water Infrastructure Act,
[50:37] a Wheel of Regulations, I reported to you last time
[50:40] that the risk and resiliency plan had been completed
[50:43] and we finalized and it's under review now.
[50:46] The emergency response plan, once that's completed,
[50:50] we'll have met the regulations for that,
[50:52] but that will be ongoing and have to be updated every five years
[50:54] and we have to conduct tabletop exercises
[50:57] to make sure staffs skills are up to date
[51:00] to handle anything that would come our way.
[51:03] The North East Creek Water Treatment Plant, if you recall, the county and the CRP budget
[51:09] request provide a $50,000 to meet that, to help us meet the optimization rules for the Virginia
[51:16] Department of Health.
[51:18] Due to increased cost of steel, the health departments requirement for engineering services
[51:24] as well as the increased cost for installation, that project is running probably about $200,000
[51:29] over what we anticipated, funding options are being explored through the Virginia Department of Health,
[51:35] or we may make an additional funding request during the CIP budget process. At the Louise
[51:41] Regional Plan, again working on file protection and stuff for the OSHA regulation. In the summer,
[51:48] July 14th, from July 14th to August 28th, we sustained three lightning strikes. We caused damage
[51:55] to the skater, modem, the skater system, computers,
[51:58] and the con-cast modem, and computer switches.
[52:03] We're actively trying to get that all put back together.
[52:05] At the Zion wastewater plant again,
[52:07] fall protection, and we're nearing completion
[52:09] of our review of local limits that's done every five years.
[52:13] In on August 13th, we had a lightning strike
[52:15] that caused damage to two flow meters,
[52:17] two chemical feed pumps, and two chemical feed controlers.
[52:22] At the Zion wells, at the end of September,
[52:24] of the static world levels are down approximately eight tens of a foot from the end of August
[52:29] 2021 from September 2020 to September 2021, we're down about four and a half feet.
[52:36] As of October 3rd for Northern Virginia, Piedmont region, the Department of Environmental
[52:41] Quality Monitor indicates an emergency situation for precipitation in our area and normal
[52:47] conditions exist for groundwater levels, reservoir levels and stream flows.
[52:50] I don't know how that happens, but that's what the site said today.
[52:54] We're working on a trial to see if a filtering system and a chemical addition called Aquamag
[53:00] could be added to help with some iron in one of our wells, this is a design crossword
[53:05] well number two. They don't exceed the MCL level, but it does cause some ecstatic problems.
[53:11] On August 13, we sustained a lightning strike at Greensprings well number three. They cause
[53:16] damage to the pump motor and the skaters system there. That's all been put back together.
[53:22] Earlier today, we had a legislative priorities list, and I was not here on the 20th
[53:31] when that list was formulated unfortunately, but we are looking at several regulations and
[53:39] impacting utilities.
[53:41] We have PFAS, PFO of PF, it's a whole line of chemicals that are basically Scotch
[53:50] in fabrics and carpets that are now showing up in water supplies that utilities will be required to remove instead of outlawing the chemical.
[54:02] We're looking at safe yield issues procurement, SEC rule updates, pre-treatment of medical facilities when they dump hazardous waste down sinks and drains.
[54:11] We had phase three watershed implementation plan that was approved by the Governor and we are expecting before he leaves office phase four, so which will be a more regulation.
[54:24] Remondering reassignment of nitrogen and phosphorus loading limits, so what that would look like is they would do remove some limits from us and reassign those two other localities like Norman Virginia.
[54:34] timing or economic development growth, they have already started taking industry,
[54:40] phosphorus and nitrogen limits away that like the businesses have shut down.
[54:45] Did you repeat that?
[54:46] They're looking at re-assigning nitrogen and phosphorus loading limits.
[54:50] Who is?
[54:52] Did you do?
[54:54] How?
[54:55] We've already got ours.
[54:56] How do we work?
[54:56] We already got ours, right.
[54:57] But if you're not using them, they want to re-assign them.
[55:00] Then you can't ever expand.
[55:02] That's exactly right.
[55:03] Just ridiculous.
[55:04] that's exactly right. We're fighting that tooth and nail, so I'll let you know how that plays out.
[55:12] You need support, come to us.
[55:13] Yes, please.
[55:14] She's telling you she's supported right now.
[55:17] We're constantly working on OSHA guidelines.
[55:20] There are new regulations coming regarding tank painting.
[55:25] The new regulations for COVID-19,
[55:28] and dam safety regulations.
[55:30] The new lead and copper rules are coming out.
[55:32] This is another one I'm asking for your help on.
[55:35] Lead and copper service lines.
[55:37] They're requiring utilities to replace them.
[55:40] We didn't install them.
[55:41] We don't know where they are.
[55:43] And they're telling us now that we have to go back and replace.
[55:46] Any lead and copper service lines in order to replace them.
[55:48] Most of you don't know where they are.
[55:49] How are you supposed to find them?
[55:51] We have to find them.
[55:52] How do you know they exist?
[55:54] We don't.
[55:55] We have to inventory.
[55:56] the search. So if I have copper and lead pipes in my house, you have to fix it?
[56:01] I'm not just the service line to the house. Just the service line. It's like, where is
[56:04] well, though? Is that going to transferance is considered the meter?
[56:08] So from the meter back to the plant. Right. Not from the meter to the house.
[56:14] From the meter back to the plant. No, from the meter to the house.
[56:18] No, come on. No, personal service lines, yes. So we're going to start trying to do some inventory
[56:25] and see what we've got. It wouldn't be anything
[56:27] design. It would only be here.
[56:29] Can I? Can I? I'm not going to make sure I
[56:31] just. Yeah. No, I shouldn't.
[56:35] So the lines that the utility is responsible for finding
[56:40] and replacing are from the meter to the house. Yes, sir.
[56:45] Yes, sir. Thank you. That makes no sense whatsoever.
[56:49] That's why we didn't install them. We didn't. We had nothing to do.
[56:52] We don't inspect them. We.
[56:54] Well, you give me 20 minutes from our algorithm. Look for my bringer report back. We don't have any in the county.
[56:59] That's a great idea. I would love to say that. But we have to do our diligence with it.
[57:03] I guess that's why the title personal.
[57:06] And that. So, so the utility is responsible.
[57:11] So, who installed?
[57:12] May I think I already know the answer this?
[57:14] But who installed that piping from the meter to the house to begin with?
[57:20] the homeowner or a plumber or an exactly so if you find it from the
[57:25] meter to the house and it has to be replaced who bears to cost a
[57:31] replacement that's that's absolutely ridiculous we do who dreamed up
[57:38] that one
[57:42] when was that not that it's it's coming so we need to fight it
[57:48] That's how the regulation is if it's currently written is that it's trying to be moved forward.
[57:55] There's more.
[57:56] Wait, there's more.
[57:58] Wait, there's more.
[57:59] May I ask, is it a public comment period?
[58:03] Is that where it is?
[58:03] It's not there yet, but when it is, I will let you all know when we need to comment.
[58:10] The ammonia nitrogen regulation I reported to you last time, we were expecting a 50% or 50% reduction.
[58:15] they're now looking at an 85% reduction. So at the Louisiana Regional Plant, just as an example,
[58:21] we have a 1 milligram per liter limit. We will have a 0.15 milligram per liter limit.
[58:27] For, on what? The nitrogen.
[58:30] A million nitrogen, fresh water, a million nitrogen. So it will, I was trying to figure out ways
[58:38] to get around making a significant, yet another significant upgrade at the Louisiana Regional Plant,
[58:44] but it's going to happen, there's no way around it.
[58:47] We can't meet a point one, five without a significant upgrade.
[58:52] And then there's one more.
[58:54] Last year, House Joint Resolution 538 was passed.
[58:59] And basically, it is saying that water is a human right.
[59:03] I think we're on a slippery slope to say that it is our job to provide water to meet
[59:08] all the regulation to everybody at no cost.
[59:12] And I don't know how we do that.
[59:15] So that's another one that we are very actively monitoring.
[59:20] And then I always try to-
[59:22] I always try to-
[59:23] I always try to-
[59:25] I always try to-
[59:25] I always try to keep my thumb on legislative issues.
[59:29] I'm constantly in contact with them.
[59:31] I've recently been asked to serve on a DQ regulatory advisory panel.
[59:37] for it's specifically for House Bill 582, which is regarding water supply planning.
[59:46] What came out of our first meeting is that all of the water supply planning that we've
[59:51] done, the report we've done, we considered a regional plan because we included mineral
[59:56] and Louisa, basically they want to just try to
[1:00:00] Throw that all away and start over. And the recommendation on the first meeting was, no, we've done this work. Let's build on this, but let's not reinvent the wheel and start over.
[1:00:12] We were ostracized pretty heavily by DEQ, basically telling us that we were trying to do status quo, which is absolutely not true.
[1:00:23] I don't think you start over though after 10, 15 years of water supply planning in your community.
[1:00:30] So that's all I have if you have any questions.
[1:00:36] I'm still trying to understand this nutrient quantities or nutrient credits that we have.
[1:00:44] It would appear that this reallocation is a potential grab power grab of some stuff that
[1:00:53] maybe we're not using them, maybe they want to reallocate to some like northern Virginia
[1:00:57] and some of the bigger cities.
[1:00:58] Well, it's what it feels a lot like, does it feel like that to you?
[1:01:02] Absolutely.
[1:01:02] It feels like that.
[1:01:03] We've already got ours.
[1:01:05] We have a land map.
[1:01:06] I don't know.
[1:01:09] Wow.
[1:01:10] I can tell you that I had a meeting with the Undersecretary of Natural Resources and she basically said that our job as a utility was to go to Lose and Home Depot and anybody that sold fertilizer until then they shouldn't sell it.
[1:01:26] That's not my role.
[1:01:28] We should tell people that they shouldn't.
[1:01:30] She pointed by the current governor.
[1:01:32] Yes, the Undersecretary for Natural Resources, I believe her.
[1:01:35] was a lady. And that they talked about the reallocation of those, and I said, what about communities
[1:01:46] and I gave ours as an example that we haven't seen our fully economic development potential yet.
[1:01:52] We're just on the cusp of that. Why would you do that? Well, we can't squeeze any more blood out of the
[1:01:58] turn-up from Northern Virginia Rappahannic, the Potomac Rappahannic River Basin. So we're going to take
[1:02:04] that the James River Water River Basin, York River,
[1:02:07] which is what we are in, are doing such a good job
[1:02:10] that we think it's time that we reallocate
[1:02:12] and give them more credits.
[1:02:17] Mr. Chairman, just to, that was my question to
[1:02:20] about the nutrient reallocation.
[1:02:23] And Pam, I just wanted to clarify,
[1:02:24] that's also something that's not past,
[1:02:26] it's something that's proposed.
[1:02:28] It's proposed, yes.
[1:02:29] It's being talked about and I was really glad
[1:02:33] when Senator Reeve said that you in the overreach that we are seeing in some areas
[1:02:39] and I certainly see that in some of the proposed regulation and things that are coming
[1:02:44] down the pipe.
[1:02:45] Did there was there any discussion that you're privy to about the relation between counties
[1:02:50] and their 2030 or 40-year comprehensive plans as far as their master plan grows in relation
[1:02:55] because why have one?
[1:02:58] You can't say on the one hand we want you to plan for 40 years and then you do that
[1:03:03] planning and then it's automatically no good because you have no, you tell
[1:03:08] you and the pun intended you tell your tools to implement that plan because
[1:03:12] you're taking all that away. Right. Right. Okay.
[1:03:16] Mr. Chair. Mr. Robert. I'm guessing that this is not just a state
[1:03:22] regulation that probably this is coming down. It may just may right now be
[1:03:27] state, but my guess is that this is coming down from the federal government as well.
[1:03:32] Well, Virginia decided when it came to nitrogen and phosphorus loading allocations to give
[1:03:40] them all out in the beginning.
[1:03:43] And now they're seeing that the Rappahannic River Basin and the Potomac River Basin folks
[1:03:48] can't meet those regulations, their limits, their loading limits.
[1:03:51] So they want to take away somebody who's not using all of ours, and quite frankly we're using a very small amount of ours.
[1:04:00] But his question is, he thinks it's federal, it's not for this.
[1:04:03] No, this is all about this Chesapeake Bay.
[1:04:05] What I'm saying is the, a lot of credits that the state is not to state federal government is trying to bring down.
[1:04:15] So to get that in other words, Virginia, I think it's trying to meet a federal regulation
[1:04:21] because they're shifting it from one to the other.
[1:04:24] Well, the states were, it was left up to the states to decide how they wanted to allocate
[1:04:27] them. So they were allocating them. Some states have a bank of credits that they're holding
[1:04:33] on to to reallocate at a later time, but Virginia didn't do that.
[1:04:39] So now I want to reallocate it to the metropolitan areas where all of the, you know,
[1:04:45] All of the economic development is taking place.
[1:04:46] Oh, that's taking place.
[1:04:47] I mean, I have a couple of questions.
[1:04:50] I forgot them all because when Mr. Persell said, I have a question.
[1:04:54] I sure need my note. That's my question.
[1:04:57] I mean, that is...
[1:05:00] I mean, a future economic development in this county.
[1:05:03] That would...
[1:05:04] We're done.
[1:05:06] We'll be all we're going to be.
[1:05:08] Yeah, I mean, I just shut the door.
[1:05:10] I mean, Mr. Chairman, I was just that...
[1:05:13] We add this to our legislative agenda in hurry and, you know, I mean, that's, that's a really big deal.
[1:05:26] Pam, I want to speak to all the board, but we're not going to shoot the messenger, but of all the presentations you give this is probably the most pessimistic.
[1:05:37] But we know we need to hear it.
[1:05:40] I try to be positive, if the regulation is just, it's overwhelming, I will be honest with
[1:05:47] you, and trying to attract people to this business because of the regulation, it's getting
[1:05:52] harder and harder and harder and harder, so what do you want us to have to face this every
[1:05:58] day?
[1:05:58] It's like the new.
[1:06:00] I have my eye on retirement all the time.
[1:06:04] Don't even think that.
[1:06:04] Thank you for being so thorough, though, and looking at these legislative things, because it
[1:06:08] is above and beyond what you do, as far as running on a daily basis.
[1:06:12] Thank you for that.
[1:06:13] I serve as the President of Virginia rural water, and in a former life, I must have
[1:06:19] been a lobbyist.
[1:06:20] I'm very passionate about rural America and us getting a fair shake.
[1:06:24] I'm not saying that we should get more, but we should absolutely get a fair shake in all
[1:06:28] of this.
[1:06:28] And when you go in to Washington and you talk to the Congressman and senators, and
[1:06:34] you have a legislative aid that tells you, we don't need rural America.
[1:06:38] We can grow all the food we need within the belt way.
[1:06:41] I said, honey, give that a try and let me know when you need some food.
[1:06:46] So, that is the mindset though.
[1:06:49] They do not need us, we're, you know.
[1:06:54] One of our homotons or something.
[1:06:55] I wonder how much it's actually going to look at the other way.
[1:06:59] Thank you, Pam.
[1:07:00] And I told, aren't we all Americans?
[1:07:02] Yeah.
[1:07:03] I'm kidding.
[1:07:04] Anybody have more questions?
[1:07:06] Thank you very much, Pam.
[1:07:09] And, uh, one of the, uh, most, uh, look forward to presentations.
[1:07:14] The update on the pipeline.
[1:07:17] Mr. Chairman, we had representatives, uh, from the Czechahomni pipeline who agreed to
[1:07:21] be here this, this evening.
[1:07:22] They provided a presentation to 1130 this morning so we got that loaded in, uh, and happy
[1:07:27] to bring that up for you.
[1:07:28] And you can walk us through it.
[1:07:30] So, uh, yeah, good afternoon, uh, Mr. Chairman and the board members, my name is, uh, Chuck
[1:07:35] acres unemployed by encompassed energy services, and our
[1:07:39] client is a chicken homey pipeline.
[1:07:42] What encompasses helping the client with is the
[1:07:45] initial survey notices to the affected landowners and
[1:07:49] LaWisa County and Hanover County.
[1:07:53] What they've given me is a couple of slides that's to share
[1:07:55] with the board and the citizens of the county.
[1:07:59] I could go through them one at a time, but it's free.
[1:08:04] As mentioned and shared this morning, it's a public record.
[1:08:08] It's an 82 mile pipeline project.
[1:08:10] It's going from the Transco pipeline up near Charlottesville,
[1:08:15] and heading south around Richmond down the Charlottesville city
[1:08:19] to the proposed power plant.
[1:08:22] You can see there's some majority of the, you know,
[1:08:26] there's 392 parcels that are affected by this pipeline,
[1:08:29] not all those or in Luis Accounting.
[1:08:31] There's 180 in Louis, the county currently.
[1:08:37] Like I said, encompass what we're focused on is the initial contact with all the landowners.
[1:08:43] Those letters went out in July as you're aware.
[1:08:47] We began as a follow up to that.
[1:08:51] Maybe a week and a half ago, we have a land agent in the field that's going door to door to the residents.
[1:08:57] and then also myself and another person is calling some of the companies, the LLCs and the
[1:09:03] Corpse.
[1:09:04] To discuss the project with them, and then also, again, request their permission to access
[1:09:10] their property to begin survey operations to see if there's a route that can be obtained
[1:09:17] or a vibe or out.
[1:09:19] Second slide, please.
[1:09:24] Again, this is the bullet points on the keys of the project and environmental considerations
[1:09:28] with any of these projects. I will read the room one at a time, but the next slide is
[1:09:37] addressed.
[1:09:41] Just a slide to talk about the overall project, this plan at one time to be in
[1:09:49] the future, not one time. Be in the future, be a hydrogen project.
[1:09:54] Next slide.
[1:10:02] Again,
[1:10:03] just more of a little points about the key projects. I apologize, I don't have more, but
[1:10:08] In compasses mainly focused with the initial outreach for the survey permission so these are some slides that the company asked us to enter into the public record.
[1:10:18] Next slide please.
[1:10:22] In just some final bullet points about the keys to the project.
[1:10:29] Again, I like the, like we have a land agent in the field.
[1:10:34] The letters went out in July.
[1:10:37] We're speaking to each party individually, to gain those permissions.
[1:10:42] We don't access the property before ever contacting the landowner, gaining that permission,
[1:10:51] but I'm open to questions for many of the board members for the chairman.
[1:10:56] I'd like to start on your slide right here is the one that's kind of like contradictory
[1:11:04] in terms when support of local government, I think it's been real funny how this company
[1:11:12] has tried to gain the support of us, our responsibility as to represent our people and
[1:11:20] protect our land.
[1:11:21] So going to our residents first, without even having the courtesy, to come to us first to explain
[1:11:29] the situation so that we'd be better prepared to answer the questions from our residents
[1:11:34] I just can't, I can't fathom a company doing it in that way.
[1:11:40] What is your answer to that?
[1:11:43] I guess I don't have an answer, right?
[1:11:45] I've been to my answers.
[1:11:48] It's typically the way we've done projects in the past to talk to the affected land owners first.
[1:11:55] But it's always a coordinated effort with the local government.
[1:11:59] I know that this kind of got flipped up beforehand, but it's our encompass as far as the upcoming meetings to be here periodically to update the board and its members as the progress as the project goes on.
[1:12:17] Mr. Barnes.
[1:12:18] You know, and in my 24 years on board, I've seen a lot of presentations, okay, I'm just going to be honest with you, and my dad, you should say, boy, I might not have been a fucking third grade, but I ain't no third grade.
[1:12:36] What you're presenting here, people like somebody gave you a box of rocks to say, go see them board and leave.
[1:12:42] It was poor.
[1:12:44] at best. I know you got a job to do. But this is not becoming of an elected
[1:12:49] body presentation.
[1:12:53] It can't insults me at the board member.
[1:12:59] And I'm probably
[1:12:59] wondering how this guy is your meet.
[1:13:04] But I would have some choice words
[1:13:06] we just get offered this day. Okay, but I'm just telling you it was poor. I
[1:13:13] don't think they've taken consideration who we are and the people we represent. And then what you
[1:13:18] presented us, you really could have stayed where you were and they put it in the mail. I'm done.
[1:13:24] It's here. It's here. It's here. Mr. Hager, Mr. Hager, right?
[1:13:29] Okay.
[1:13:29] But is it?
[1:13:31] Hey, good to see.
[1:13:32] Hey, you see.
[1:13:32] Hey, KDRF.
[1:13:35] Well, you must have drawn the short straw for them to send you here tonight, because Mr.
[1:13:40] Barnett and I didn't speak, but I've been in business for 42 years, said on this board
[1:13:47] for four.
[1:13:48] That's a worse presentation I've ever seen in my life.
[1:13:52] That's not directed to you.
[1:13:53] This is what I gave you in the sense.
[1:13:55] So, where's Mr. what is his name?
[1:13:59] Ali.
[1:14:00] Where's he?
[1:14:02] I know he forgot his last time.
[1:14:03] I forgot to put it on the calendar.
[1:14:05] Where's he?
[1:14:06] I don't know sir.
[1:14:08] Because I want to read.
[1:14:10] I kept this.
[1:14:11] I said I was going to read it.
[1:14:13] This is a letter that he sent to the county administrator.
[1:14:17] You don't have to answer this.
[1:14:18] I'm just busted on the company because this whole thing
[1:14:22] should be in business 101, how to totally screw up a project into your public relations because it's been terrible.
[1:14:29] We have people here tonight that only came to speak about this because they don't have any information and they're going to leave tonight.
[1:14:37] They still don't have any information.
[1:14:38] Go back to your first slide before I read this guy's letter.
[1:14:41] Whoever's changing this slide.
[1:14:52] No, keep going.
[1:14:55] Oh, Eric.
[1:14:55] The Chikahami pipeline lateral project is planned to transport natural gas.
[1:15:00] Yes. From transcos, existing pipeline, near shortest fill to the check on the power of project in
[1:15:06] Trial City County. Do you know exactly where it connects to that transcos, existing pipeline?
[1:15:14] Yes. I mean, where? Where? I don't know exactly the highway.
[1:15:20] What locality?
[1:15:22] It's not in the recent county. It's in their Charlottesville up above.
[1:15:27] Okay, it's an album roll counting, that right?
[1:15:31] So this is the same presentation you give an album roll counting?
[1:15:34] This is the first presentation.
[1:15:36] Okay, maybe this is a trial run.
[1:15:39] Here's the email.
[1:15:41] I'm reading this for the public.
[1:15:43] The Mr. Alley sent after our last meeting to Mr. Goodman.
[1:15:47] Good morning, Christian.
[1:15:48] I have noted it with some degree of surprise and disappointment
[1:15:52] by the way my absence from this meeting has been characterized in the media
[1:15:56] comments made by some board members of the board.
[1:16:00] With that upset him, this would not have really upset him.
[1:16:02] I said the record straight, yes, I did forget to put the date in my
[1:16:06] calendar, but from the initial email exchange on August 24th,
[1:16:10] you waited till the day of the meeting to communicate a reminder.
[1:16:14] You had nearly a month to send details of the meeting and what
[1:16:17] the expected agenda for the meeting would be, but did not do so.
[1:16:21] Had you done that, it would have been more likely
[1:16:24] have resulted in someone from our project being present.
[1:16:28] If this is a guy that's in charge of building natural gas pipeline, he didn't even take
[1:16:33] responsibility for forgetting, he'd blame the county administrator.
[1:16:39] I mean, I'm not going to beat you up because, I mean, that's not fair.
[1:16:43] They've sent you here because obviously he didn't want to be here.
[1:16:47] But I will go and record to say that none of the concerns that I have, none of the concerns
[1:16:54] that I think some of the people spoke here tonight or had their comments read in, have been addressed.
[1:17:01] This guy, who's now twice, hasn't come to this meeting.
[1:17:06] I guess he doesn't think this board's important, or that the 180 parcels that it crosses
[1:17:14] in Louisiana County are important.
[1:17:16] So I don't know if you ever see, but that's the message you should take back.
[1:17:20] Obviously he watches the video, so Mr. Halley, if you're watching, where the hell are you?
[1:17:25] I mean, if you want to talk about a pipeline in Louisiana, can he?
[1:17:28] He needs to be here.
[1:17:30] I appreciate you coming, you drew the short straw.
[1:17:32] That's none of this directed at you, and I get it.
[1:17:36] But you're a contract employee, even.
[1:17:39] So you're not even an employee of Chicago Harmony pipeline, right?
[1:17:41] Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you.
[1:17:47] I'm sorry you heard, but you did draw a short straw, and thank you for coming and
[1:17:52] attempting to present what they gave to you.
[1:17:56] That's the generous, I'd like to ask you a question, basically, what your purpose, in
[1:18:02] addition to relating this information on site, what message were you responsible for bringing
[1:18:09] back?
[1:18:10] To update the board on our field activities and that we're contacting the affected landowners.
[1:18:18] And do you think that they're going to be able to translate what we've said tonight in response to the briefing you gave?
[1:18:27] You're assuming you're scared, Mr. Chairman.
[1:18:31] Those are those need to be more meetings and more discussions with the Reynolds.
[1:18:34] I would agree with that. Yes.
[1:18:35] Am I at this board?
[1:18:37] Even with the board? Yes, with the board, Mr. Chairman.
[1:18:42] May I ask for a second?
[1:18:42] Wait.
[1:18:44] Mr. Ackers, what's concerning to me is I know a little something about going and talking
[1:18:50] to affected land owners for projects that someone may want to do.
[1:18:55] And if the information that we've received is the governing body of this county, if that's
[1:19:01] the same level of the information that's being disseminated to our people that we represent
[1:19:06] that own these pieces of land. Then we would be derelict in our jobs if we didn't say these
[1:19:16] things and hold this company for however long it's been formed to a much, much higher
[1:19:22] standard than this. So, I'd like to echo what Mr. William said. I'm not jumping on you,
[1:19:28] but please take back to your employer that if they have any designs of doing business in
[1:19:34] is a county that they better understand that this is just not acceptable. It's not just that
[1:19:42] it's not acceptable to this board. It's not acceptable to our people. They have got to be
[1:19:47] better informed about who you are, where you're from, what your plans are, what your
[1:19:53] short and long range goals are, what your engineering is. I mean, the level and the lack of
[1:19:59] of specificity and detail is unconscionable to me.
[1:20:05] So I just want to get those on the record.
[1:20:06] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:20:08] Yes, Mr. Judgerid.
[1:20:10] Yeah, I don't want to be ugly at all,
[1:20:12] but we all know, I think everybody in this room knows
[1:20:14] that any pipeline anywhere is controversial.
[1:20:19] And here's a proposal that's been made
[1:20:22] to a few constituents in the county,
[1:20:25] and we know very little about it.
[1:20:27] If I was sitting here and had to make a decision where I support it don't support, I don't
[1:20:31] want to.
[1:20:31] I feel like I've got all the information, as alone lies with what Mr. Perselle just mentioned.
[1:20:37] It's really not the way to do business, knowing of front that this is a very controversial
[1:20:42] issue.
[1:20:44] Thank you.
[1:20:48] Mr. Chairman.
[1:20:49] Yes, Mr. Rhodes.
[1:20:51] I have a motion.
[1:20:52] I move the county attorney, Valley Response for Louise Accounting, that reports as a concerns
[1:20:59] expressed tonight by the Wizard County residents and reserves the right for the
[1:21:03] Wizard County to file further arguments before the SEC at a later date of
[1:21:07] necessary. Second, Mayor, most of the second, any discussion? All in favor?
[1:21:14] Aye. Any opposed? Most of the guards. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:21:18] Thank you. Good evening. Appreciate your time very much. Yes, sir.
[1:21:23] Okay.
[1:21:25] Sorry, I got to take a second here to remove my. I know. I just want to
[1:21:31] We're not personally here, then after all that.
[1:21:34] Okay, next item is unfinished business.
[1:21:36] Is there any unfinished business?
[1:21:39] Okay, moving on to new business action items.
[1:21:46] New business action.
[1:21:48] Okay, reports of officers, boards, and standing committees.
[1:21:53] I'd like to make the first one.
[1:21:56] I'd like to make the other one, sir.
[1:21:57] No, I think there's somebody else.
[1:21:59] Now, we're working on something, but we'll come back.
[1:22:03] Okay, yeah.
[1:22:03] That's what I was thinking. There might be something.
[1:22:05] Yeah, I'd like to make, you know, I was going to start with four score and seven years ago, but I'll just skip the four score.
[1:22:12] Seven years ago, the broadband authority was created by the board.
[1:22:17] The divisive plan to improve the deplorable internet service in our county.
[1:22:24] While this seemed a daunting task, a group of tech savvy residents came through to meet the challenge.
[1:22:30] The county funded with a whopping some of one million dollars which was the exact amount that was funded by our state for the whole state.
[1:22:42] This task was complicated, fraught with obstacles, and seemingly unsurmountable issues.
[1:22:48] But the commitment and dedication of these professionals who had the knowledge, the experience, and the people's skills, navigating the course, and blaze the trail.
[1:22:59] The team changed over the years, of course.
[1:23:03] So I want to express on behalf of our Board and all of our residents of Louisa, our deepest
[1:23:09] gratitude for setting the stage of the foundation for which is now the future of Louisa County
[1:23:17] broadband implementation.
[1:23:21] That's my whole story.
[1:23:22] I'm sticking to it.
[1:23:26] Are there any other committee reports?
[1:23:29] Okay. Next is Board Appointments. There's any Board Appointments. Moving right along, we know
[1:23:40] we know we're going to get a report from our County Administrative.
[1:23:45] Yes, sir. My laptop crashed just moments ago. So we'll just wing this
[1:23:51] memory here. Really the only two things I wanted to make sure that I covered tonight. I wanted
[1:23:57] to thank all of you who attended the Fall Festival this weekend. It was a great success. Beautiful
[1:24:01] weather and another great event this year. So thank you very much for that. And I do want to
[1:24:06] specifically cover we got a letter from DEQ offering to take over reviews of erosion and
[1:24:12] control plans. For utilities scale solar projects. Okay. Thank you. So they would like a decision on this by later this month
[1:24:27] specifically after your next meeting we asked for an extension. Just as a reminder right now in the way that happens.
[1:24:33] So the local soil and water conservation district performs those reviews. The applicant pays a fee that's associated with those reviews.
[1:24:39] there will be a PSO-shade with having DEQ perform those reviews as well.
[1:24:44] They're estimating that it's going to be comparable to the fees that are charged for their
[1:24:48] stormwater reviews right now, which is a little under $10,000 for anything over 100 acres.
[1:24:55] So we've got some time to think about it. It's not in a reversible decision, but it isn't
[1:25:01] all or nothing one way or another. So if we decide to have them do it now,
[1:25:06] any future utilities care, anything over five megawatts would be reviewed by the EQ.
[1:25:12] We could not enter opt-out on a project specific basis because they're basically trying
[1:25:16] to get an idea now of how much staff they would need going forward to take care of these.
[1:25:22] So we can get in now, and that means all projects.
[1:25:24] Exactly.
[1:25:24] This across the state.
[1:25:25] They are.
[1:25:28] So is this the camera stick in his nose in the tent?
[1:25:31] Let me do a little bit more research on that.
[1:25:33] We're going to ask you for a resolution at the October 18th meeting and I really wanted
[1:25:38] to kind of get your questions tonight.
[1:25:40] I still set up to do the next thing you know, all of these heads there because that would
[1:25:44] be hard.
[1:25:46] I think we're looking at a different reviewing body and maybe not necessarily a difference in
[1:25:53] the standards themselves caused by that.
[1:25:56] They have offered to review beyond the Cape of Beyond those measures which are directly
[1:26:02] regulatory in nature, which has potential benefit. I want to solar utilities solar development
[1:26:07] committee to take a look at those as well because they've kind of they've intimated
[1:26:11] that they would be willing to review measures that are beyond what is required in ESC regulations.
[1:26:19] Not to make a determination on that but they'd be willing to offer their thoughts on it and
[1:26:23] having that level of expertise especially by another third party would be good. I also think
[1:26:28] So a modern conservation district is really loaded down with those right now, and I think to have maybe those off their plate could be something that's valuable to them as well, but we'll check on that in advance of your decisions
[1:26:40] So I'm really I'm glad to take any questions. I do the best. I can we just got this letter last week. So I've done some research for no time. Mr. Chairman. The five you said five megawatt. Yes, and so with that also include like say 10 megawatt's on a farm that someone just has out that's running their farm
[1:26:58] operation would we get dq involved in that. They said that it would be, you know, I think
[1:27:03] they've classified it and again, I don't know if the letter in front of you in front of me
[1:27:07] it starts on page 69 in your board packet, which is, you know, a solar park like one thing,
[1:27:11] but, you know, some people if they had them on their farms or they were otherwise operating
[1:27:14] a domestic thing, it still may be, I just wondered if that was their threshold or our threshold.
[1:27:19] I was just doing that out. I'll check on that in verify.
[1:27:24] And I know it's good and you always
[1:27:25] to a very thorough job on these kinds of subjects.
[1:27:29] I would make sure that you add a lot of pros and cons so that we get a real good understanding
[1:27:38] because I just want to know what the depth of the iceberg looks like.
[1:27:43] Yeah, I think, you know, from the development standpoint, timeline could be an issue.
[1:27:50] Obviously, they're going to be looking at a workload across the entire state.
[1:27:55] You know, they already have that experience doing storm water, I think that could be a benefit.
[1:28:00] I'm kind of working on that list, and I will have it more formalized by your 18th meeting.
[1:28:05] But again, I wanted to talk to you about it tonight.
[1:28:07] Again, I put that letter in your pack.
[1:28:08] I don't page 69.
[1:28:09] Take a look at it.
[1:28:10] Let me know if you have questions sooner rather than later so that I can make sure I have answers for you on the 18th.
[1:28:15] I think I could help you.
[1:28:17] I beg of what if I did my math rates about 20,000 amps at 240 volts, so I don't think you would find me by the heads that just sitting around on a farm or anything like if that would be okay, that would be like way way way too big
[1:28:33] Okay, so
[1:28:34] 5,5 megawatts 5 megawatts to be 20,000 megawatts to be 20,000 megawatts
[1:28:38] All right, I think that would be just like
[1:28:41] Okay, so it's a 240 volts too.
[1:28:44] Okay.
[1:28:44] Did you have a call?
[1:28:45] It's well.
[1:28:46] Both.
[1:28:47] Yeah, I don't normally see your hand up, but I saw it up then.
[1:28:50] So I wasn't sure.
[1:28:51] Oh, got you.
[1:28:52] Thank you.
[1:28:54] Anyone else?
[1:28:55] Uh, did you want to mention anything about, I know we have a high light on.
[1:29:00] Isn't it October 30th with the hazardous waste day?
[1:29:03] We do.
[1:29:04] I have that date as well.
[1:29:05] It's that Saturday at the end of the month.
[1:29:07] Uh, I think.
[1:29:08] for the first time in, I don't know, seven years.
[1:29:11] I don't know how my notes in front of me.
[1:29:12] But yes, at the end of the month,
[1:29:14] there's a household has-
[1:29:14] there's always fake ham and up.
[1:29:15] It's all over our website and social media.
[1:29:18] That's sort of stuck in my head.
[1:29:19] No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[1:29:20] See, I know it.
[1:29:22] Go ahead.
[1:29:26] Space is in one.
[1:29:29] Uh, we have Thomas Jefferson Planet after doing
[1:29:33] the ENF plan reviews, stuff like that.
[1:29:36] Yes, sir.
[1:29:37] At one time when we were first considering stone board and stuff we thought about having
[1:29:43] them do that as well, they have it in-house, they're doing it.
[1:29:47] That might be something that we could actually get a better fit for, in terms of planning
[1:29:52] district to look at, not just the in-house plans, but throw the stone water in out with it.
[1:30:00] And I think Ms. Ballam has left, but these nutrient credits that are now being talked about.
[1:30:10] My guess is they are for me with what's, especially with David Blunt being in him.
[1:30:16] But I think this is something maybe Tom's job plan and district could help us with contracted out to them without hiring a bunch of, you know, people.
[1:30:30] And the EQ if we turn it over to them, number one, your project, which is solved the way it is now, but your project is going to be held until they get a chance to do it.
[1:30:40] But they could do it in a stormwater party anyway.
[1:30:42] Well, yeah, but well, indeed, EQ could, they could do it in a stormwater park.
[1:30:48] You could break this thing down in a way you wanted to do it.
[1:30:50] Sure.
[1:30:53] But I would say this may be an opportunity for the terms of plan and district to do so.
[1:31:01] Very good.
[1:31:02] I'd like to champion what he just suggested.
[1:31:05] And I know Mr. Gentry and Mr. Brawlow, they're veterans of this time or
[1:31:09] Jefferson Planning District Commission.
[1:31:11] I've been on it four years.
[1:31:13] And the constant, especially when you're first on it, you get the feel that there's such heavy
[1:31:18] attention to Albumar and Charlottesville and us lower sisters of the poor and the other counties seem to get relegated
[1:31:29] much lower priority. So I think we were we struck our court getting the small area, Zion area,
[1:31:35] small area, which they funded. So this would be another another rationale for why we contribute in our
[1:31:43] budget to the whole the whole unity of the hope of that five counties in the one city
[1:31:48] understood. Any other comments for Mr. Goodman. Thank you. Okay. It's now time
[1:31:58] everybody's waiting for the public hearings. So once again, I would like to open the public
[1:32:05] hearing and invite anyone who would like to speak. I'm sorry. I said that wrong. And
[1:32:11] again. This is for staff reports. Everybody is willing to come up, hang on. The staff reports,
[1:32:20] then the first staff report is adding to Louisa County Coach after 70, Taxation
[1:32:26] Article 1, dash in general session 70, dash 16, dash personal property, tax returns,
[1:32:35] and
[1:32:35] this chairman, we have commissioner in the revenue, Mr. Stacey Fletcher and invite her forward
[1:32:39] to give a couple of remarks. I think this is a fairly routine change, but I'll let her make remarks
[1:32:44] on that and get you a questions.
[1:32:46] As they see, I would like to start with, I know the attendance has diminished here. Don't
[1:32:52] take that personal. There's still a lot of people listening.
[1:32:55] No offense taken. The code of Virginia, I don't know, it's for lip count rates to adapt
[1:33:02] what a lot of counties are starting to do, file by exception, so it would be, let me get
[1:33:12] and it's, I make sure I say all of this right. You would not have to file annually
[1:33:17] on your personal property forms for motor vehicles and that businesses, aircraft, mobile
[1:33:26] homes, but still have to file. We would still do a personal property mail link to those
[1:33:30] individuals. This would just cut down on the personal property filings that we send for
[1:33:36] personal property to all the individuals in the county. They would be taxed on what they
[1:33:42] were taxed on this year for next year unless they notified the commissioner's office of
[1:33:47] 18. Any change that takes effect, they are supposed to notify our office within 38. There would
[1:33:55] a form available online that they can fill out and submit. They can call us. They can
[1:34:03] come in and notify us of the change. Excuse me. My office download is from the AMA on the
[1:34:10] monthly basis, so we're pretty much keep up with the changes of personal property within the
[1:34:15] account. This is just a little bit of an annual file length for everybody.
[1:34:24] Any questions?
[1:34:26] So would you still send a notice of what is currently on there every year for a buddy about it?
[1:34:32] So you wouldn't even mail what you currently have.
[1:34:35] So exactly.
[1:34:36] So if I don't check it, you miss it.
[1:34:40] Then I'm getting taxed for it.
[1:34:42] And I have to figure out a minute.
[1:34:44] Well, it's.
[1:34:45] It's.
[1:34:46] No, no, no.
[1:34:47] So you followed for this year 2021.
[1:34:51] If the board adopts this.
[1:34:53] there would be no filing for 2022 unless you had a change.
[1:34:59] So, if I sold a vehicle,
[1:35:02] you're supposed to contact the commissioner's office within 30 days of selling that vehicle.
[1:35:07] I will say nobody.
[1:35:09] I have so a lot of vehicles I have never done that ever.
[1:35:12] Right, because we've had the personal property for them.
[1:35:14] And my guess is 95% of people will lose their mind when they have.
[1:35:19] But when you sell your vehicle, do you not know if I'd be in vain?
[1:35:22] you know if I DMV. And we download from DMV monthly. So even if you don't know if I
[1:35:27] we get that information from the V on a monthly basis. So let's, unless there's a mistake or
[1:35:32] show. So we'll take MS on DMVs part two. We'll take two misses. Yes. You have to miss both of them
[1:35:39] concurrent. Right. It's not that you're going to be taxed if you don't contact us as long as DMV
[1:35:45] has been updated. Now DMVs records are of course as good as DMVs. The people don't get
[1:35:52] I don't even go there, so it seems to me like this is just a new way of doing business and it's going to have a rather steep learning curve as my guess.
[1:36:03] You're going to do most of it automatically probably 99.9% of it's going to just be caught by doing your website updates and stuff like that.
[1:36:13] But there's still a comfort level.
[1:36:14] It would seem that the citizens are going to have to get used to because you're changing the way you're doing this and that's what's that's what's got me
[1:36:23] So, is there a is there a way?
[1:36:27] Is he necessary not necessarily a certified a form if we could just maybe do a mailing in next year if we were to prove this
[1:36:35] Well, that was going to say if if it's approved what we would do in January and instead of sending out that personal property form
[1:36:42] listing everybody's information, we would send them just a notification that this has been
[1:36:48] adopted, this is how we're going to start filing with the personal capacity.
[1:36:51] And maybe these are the current vehicles we have.
[1:36:54] Were you on that and that's your baseline to start with?
[1:36:58] Absolutely.
[1:37:00] I'm just trying to, I mean, I don't think it's, I feel like I'm viewing it from a user
[1:37:06] And ours is gets complicated.
[1:37:08] We have several businesses that have vehicles,
[1:37:11] and it's just convoluted.
[1:37:13] So businesses will have to go found with you.
[1:37:15] No, not to follow their vehicles,
[1:37:17] they'll have to follow their business personal problems.
[1:37:19] Business person, not to vehicles, she says.
[1:37:22] I'd like to carry a bridge on what Mr. Williams just said.
[1:37:26] I think it's more than just a letter going out to each other.
[1:37:29] I think you ought to employ other promotional opportunities,
[1:37:33] the newspaper.
[1:37:34] We have a new public says.
[1:37:36] And I think there's better ways to make sure that it, that this message
[1:37:40] gets across to more people.
[1:37:42] And more than just one avenue use every avenue that we have to get the information.
[1:37:46] That's, and I have one question, how does this affect?
[1:37:50] I think I believe every year a nurse comes out about the age and mileage situation.
[1:37:58] How does that affect it in any way?
[1:38:02] People still have the opportunity to file their high-mile, which they won't get a form in the mail, but they can come in and file it.
[1:38:09] They can do it online.
[1:38:12] Everything's online.
[1:38:13] That's going to be another major promotion.
[1:38:16] It's just so people understand.
[1:38:18] Exactly.
[1:38:18] So will you be sending out, say I have a high mileage vehicle, and I submit it electronically.
[1:38:27] will you then next year hit me back electronically to change that for the
[1:38:32] high mileage to make sure I'm still high mileage. I mean I know what's
[1:38:35] reached the threshold because I have a lot of high mileage vehicles.
[1:38:37] Once reached the threshold it's it's all you're getting. But I know so
[1:38:41] know it progressively goes along if I have a car that I run real hard and then
[1:38:44] I buy a new and I sit it for a while and it doesn't I mean I have to prove to
[1:38:51] you every year because I know I do this I have to get to state the
[1:38:54] or something with the repair that actually shows the date and the mileage on it and it becomes tedious at best if you have a lot of vehicles.
[1:39:04] So I'm just just wondering how that process goes in here as well.
[1:39:09] I have to prove to you, I have to send you something every year.
[1:39:12] Now there's no reminder for me to send you that.
[1:39:15] I just have to remember on your own or when you get your bill and you haven't filed, you can file and we can adjust it.
[1:39:23] but we can look at different avenues of the best way
[1:39:25] to handle the hematologies as well.
[1:39:28] Well, because it's such a,
[1:39:30] well, because people have gotten so educated
[1:39:32] and so used to getting that form,
[1:39:36] can be some consideration,
[1:39:38] or continuing that aspect of it, so at least we,
[1:39:41] because I can conceive a whole lot of double work
[1:39:44] for you doing the correct evaction, if a whole,
[1:39:47] depending on how many people didn't comply.
[1:39:50] We can look into that too,
[1:39:51] if you just like kind of like our tax relief,
[1:39:54] if they apply one year and they qualify,
[1:39:56] we send them something.
[1:39:57] We can do that with time, I'll let you know.
[1:40:00] What have we spend on mailing that?
[1:40:02] Silly yellow.
[1:40:04] Go ahead, give me the number.
[1:40:05] I know it's big.
[1:40:06] It is to print the personal property forms.
[1:40:10] It's 7th, 380 dollars to mail the personal property forms.
[1:40:15] It's 12,500 dollars in postage.
[1:40:17] Plus a labor.
[1:40:19] Plus getting everything ready
[1:40:21] to go to the printer. It's probably close to $30,000.
[1:40:26] That's a big issue.
[1:40:28] That's a big issue. That's pretty right there.
[1:40:31] Yes, sprawl.
[1:40:32] In your promoting this or putting it out to the newspapers, have you gone to do it? I think
[1:40:38] it would probably be really if I'm understanding this correctly, there's no tax increase or anything.
[1:40:44] And this is just another way of cutting cost by not having to distribute these things all
[1:40:52] down.
[1:40:54] It's a way of cutting cost, and we have numerous people who will call it, you know, nothing
[1:41:00] has changed.
[1:41:00] Why don't I have to do this?
[1:41:03] You know, everybody is looking at this is probably going to be mostly concerned about, does
[1:41:10] this change?
[1:41:11] My taxes in any way.
[1:41:12] And I don't think it doesn't sound like it's-
[1:41:13] It's not going to change anything, tax-wise, it's just trying to eliminate the paperwork.
[1:41:22] That's just right.
[1:41:23] Right, that's right.
[1:41:26] So I get the cost cutting, which is probably 25 to 30,000 dollars.
[1:41:35] But I'm concerned that I was thinking about the high-modage issue that Mr. Williams has.
[1:41:43] So we're shifting, and I would suspect we have quite a number of people who qualify for the high
[1:41:51] mileage in the county, right?
[1:41:53] We did.
[1:41:55] So are we shifting the responsibility to the citizen, to notify the commissioner's office,
[1:42:05] to get that tax reduction?
[1:42:08] know we're shifting the remembering to do it.
[1:42:15] That's what you're shifting is the
[1:42:18] oh it's that. I got to go collect all these stuff. So here's how it works. Now I
[1:42:24] get my I think we just, oh you don't have your high mileage vehicle. You get your
[1:42:29] personal property form in the mail with a high mileage application that end
[1:42:34] February, beginning of March. And then I fill it out and I go out and I do all this things.
[1:42:38] You do what you do. I don't have a plan. I don't have a plan. I don't have a plan.
[1:42:40] I don't have a plan. I don't have a plan. But now in February March, I received nothing.
[1:42:49] So now I need, as a taxpayer, I have to remember to do it. Or I'm not going to get the, the tax reduction, right?
[1:42:58] Unless we do do something just to the how much people who qualified,
[1:43:03] But over a period of time, you know, that's going to be a static number, right?
[1:43:08] Because okay, in 2021, Ms. Duane Adams had a high mileage vehicle.
[1:43:13] So, we're going to send it in 2022 and 20, instead of later, I get rid of that vehicle.
[1:43:17] And I buy another one.
[1:43:19] But now the responsibility is all falling to me to make sure that I tell the commissioners
[1:43:22] office that I have a high mileage vehicle.
[1:43:25] Am I right or wrong?
[1:43:27] When you get a new vehicle, yes.
[1:43:29] For just a little bit of some middle ground that would save the mailing, but maybe we could do something
[1:43:35] Electronically it said
[1:43:37] Where by if I want to make sure that I get notification don't forget
[1:43:40] You can I can give you my email you can put it in something and you could just hit it
[1:43:45] But can we is there something like a mess email type guys?
[1:43:49] That's something we can easily
[1:43:56] I'm just thinking maybe that's a maybe that's something we could do in an
[1:44:00] That'll, which would.
[1:44:01] Unless it's all for a cost, $35,000 in the end of the year.
[1:44:05] But over the years, also.
[1:44:07] And it's just a suggestion.
[1:44:10] I'm good either way.
[1:44:12] I think it's a great suggestion.
[1:44:13] I'm just trying to work through the, yeah, we're just helping.
[1:44:16] I should.
[1:44:17] Excuse me.
[1:44:18] Excuse me.
[1:44:20] I think we can do some pretty heavy notifications as well.
[1:44:23] I mean, notices in the paper for the high mileage thing as well.
[1:44:26] You know, saving that kind of thing.
[1:44:29] I get it.
[1:44:29] But that doesn't have to be the only avenue, but you can hear them.
[1:44:33] Saved in that kind of money, and you've got some wiggle room to spend some money on notifications
[1:44:38] and still be a savings.
[1:44:41] I thought this was something simple, but I was just not in my concern right now is if we
[1:44:47] got all these concerns and questions and we keep up with budgets and how things have done
[1:44:53] all the time, what is the general public going to do?
[1:44:56] I think I'm going to be confused, maybe not, but...
[1:45:00] We think you have a learning curve. Exactly. It's going to be a learning curve. You're going to have some people who are going to be confused. And I don't understand. It's a catch 2020. Some people are going to think it's great. And maybe they're the ones who don't change their vehicles often. And they have the same thing year after year after year. If they think it's done.
[1:45:30] I was also moving to 21st century.
[1:45:33] That was my foot in as I mean.
[1:45:35] We're changing.
[1:45:37] We're making up.
[1:45:38] Maybe we moved to 21st century after we do our fiber bill now.
[1:45:44] I'm like Mr. Gentry.
[1:45:45] I mean, you know, on the face of it, it looks really, really simple.
[1:45:50] But I need to complicated this.
[1:45:53] No, you actually asked really, you know, they were spot on questions.
[1:45:57] And my concern is that we're shifting the burden of proof to the citizens.
[1:46:06] You're shifting the burden of notice.
[1:46:08] Well, OK, the burden of notice, but you're still the proof for you to give them the tax relief.
[1:46:14] And you know, gosh, I don't think I can support it.
[1:46:19] I'm assuming that the website will be very descriptive also.
[1:46:24] So people, if they got confused or learned about this, they could always take a go to that to be informed
[1:46:32] To be, and then that going to the website might confuse them more, but so then they could have somebody to contact
[1:46:38] So sort of, you know, shake out the police.
[1:46:42] Yes.
[1:46:42] Yes.
[1:46:42] I like this open policy.
[1:46:43] I'm going to see it then by us here.
[1:46:44] I'm ready.
[1:46:45] I'm ready to do that.
[1:46:46] Any other questions?
[1:46:47] Okay.
[1:46:48] This time I like to open up the public hearing and anyone who would like to come speak,
[1:46:54] Please come up and state your name, your address and your voting district.
[1:47:00] You'll have three minutes to speak and I'll let you know when you have 15 seconds to speak.
[1:47:06] Left.
[1:47:07] Looking over the vast array, I see no one stepping up, yes, Mr. Lucas, come right on.
[1:47:17] Good to see you here.
[1:47:18] Well,
[1:47:22] I'm just not starting an album on camera.
[1:47:25] I do know that, sir.
[1:47:26] But that guy did not know that.
[1:47:28] That's one point out.
[1:47:29] The fact that there's a band, my name is Steve Lucas,
[1:47:32] I'm a little mom, a wiser road, and the Patrick Henry district.
[1:47:35] And I still have a football.
[1:47:37] I'm not a high tech guy in some ways, but I do hate having files,
[1:47:41] full of yellow and green papers, stuck in the file cabinets,
[1:47:46] having to pop on my desk.
[1:47:48] And I look at them and I say, I got to do something with them.
[1:47:50] get stuck in files and get stuck plays that are never seen again.
[1:47:54] And if we can save $30,000, I'm off for it.
[1:47:58] And I think we need to approach this, logically,
[1:48:01] got a lot of older folks in here who have footphones,
[1:48:05] or older folks who have smartphones now.
[1:48:07] They would have to follow me.
[1:48:09] But anyway, I think you need to seriously look at what
[1:48:11] a sweatshirt has presented.
[1:48:13] And I think it's a good thing for Louise the County to do.
[1:48:15] Thank you, Jim.
[1:48:16] Thank you very much.
[1:48:18] Is there anyone else who would like to come up with the speaker you don't have to be as eloquent?
[1:48:22] You just have to go stay.
[1:48:26] You should come up by saying that.
[1:48:29] Anyone else would like to speak on this?
[1:48:31] Okay.
[1:48:31] At this time I like to close the public hearing.
[1:48:34] Let's share.
[1:48:37] We approve this.
[1:48:38] But with the caveat that we offer some sort of a blended work in it in system over some time,
[1:48:45] even if we did mailings again in this spring and with notices or something like that.
[1:48:50] So I move to proof.
[1:48:52] And I agree with Tony.
[1:48:55] I think it's something that we can kind of face.
[1:48:58] Not do a shot to the system, but just.
[1:49:02] We got no smart people.
[1:49:03] We figured out how to get it.
[1:49:04] We're figure it out.
[1:49:05] Okay.
[1:49:05] I'm asking a second.
[1:49:06] Any discussion?
[1:49:08] On favor?
[1:49:09] Any opposed?
[1:49:11] Thank you.
[1:49:12] And you're up for round two.
[1:49:14] I am up for round two.
[1:49:16] When the board adopted the tax relief
[1:49:18] change and the net worth and may have this year from 100,000 to 200,000.
[1:49:25] It just was added to the end of the sliding scale.
[1:49:28] I believe I sent everybody a sliding scale to have a copy or a little down it.
[1:49:34] Instead of having it kind of stretched out across the whole scheme of financial work.
[1:49:41] And I was just suggesting that maybe we take a look at that to kind of make it more even across the whole thing.
[1:49:47] excuse me. The whole scale, as opposed to just making the 75 to 200,000 at the end, the same
[1:49:55] percentage for the people who fell within that category.
[1:50:02] Questions?
[1:50:04] Tom, we got one. When I looked at this, because I didn't have the advantage of the previous
[1:50:10] table from last year, did you get what I sent? I did, I got...
[1:50:16] It's just not the packet. It just wasn't an
[1:50:19] packet, but he got it. Okay, but I emailed last time. Right, you got that.
[1:50:23] What my question was, basically, what is the difference in
[1:50:28] I understand the percentages, you know, how that works as your net
[1:50:39] goes down. I mean, that's pretty clear. But what is the change that you're talking about
[1:50:46] between this and
[1:50:52] what we had later?
[1:50:53] Cut's off. It's from 100,000 up, didn't it?
[1:50:57] Okay. Well, the scales up, your time about the scale that if what it was changed to in May
[1:51:04] and they it was adopted to increase the financial worth versus if it was calculated based
[1:51:13] on the suggested scale. Is that your question?
[1:51:19] No, that's your question.
[1:51:24] In other words, I guess what my question is. I understand where
[1:51:29] you implementing the sliding scale, which you have,
[1:51:34] that you're implementing the 150 to 200,000
[1:51:38] at the end.
[1:51:44] So it's really not a difference all of
[1:51:46] then it's taking into account
[1:51:48] that we up the max from 1,000 to 2,000.
[1:51:53] If I'm understanding this, correct?
[1:51:56] He's asking what the change is off from the code.
[1:51:58] That's what he's asking.
[1:51:59] What's the changes?
[1:51:59] The changes of the code is just faithfully.
[1:52:03] It's not changing what was adopted.
[1:52:08] It's just changing the schedule, the scale.
[1:52:15] If I can, I think you had a schedule that was based on the old amount.
[1:52:19] And so now you have a new schedule that's based on the higher amount.
[1:52:23] But the percentages are still, they've stayed the same.
[1:52:26] That's up to Ms. Fletcher.
[1:52:29] That's what I was saying.
[1:52:30] How the percentages in the existing scale state are saying?
[1:52:34] The percentages in the existing scale state that's saying of what was adopted earlier
[1:52:39] that sheet.
[1:52:40] Okay.
[1:52:42] So, I mean if you, if you were looking, you started over 2,000 dollars and just, for instance,
[1:52:49] if you were in the 70 to 100,000 range that should not work, then you get 80%.
[1:52:55] Correct.
[1:52:56] That hadn't changed.
[1:52:57] Last year, I mean, before we did that, it was 80% of the fail.
[1:53:02] Right.
[1:53:02] Now it's 80% of the fail.
[1:53:03] Right.
[1:53:04] And it's not changing every category.
[1:53:07] When I looked at it, compared to what people got in relief this year with the change versus
[1:53:13] the suggested schedule change, the majority of the people stayed the same.
[1:53:19] So this year, we had 449 applicants with the suggested scale, or 338, what is the number
[1:53:27] state the same percentage regardless of the net worth across the top.
[1:53:32] Right.
[1:53:32] The percentage of state the same than it is what I'm
[1:53:35] understanding.
[1:53:36] The percentage of state the same pretty much.
[1:53:39] There's a slight difference when you get to the 70 to 100,000 in the
[1:53:47] 18,000 to 29,000.
[1:53:50] It went from 70 percent relief to 75 percent.
[1:53:55] And then if you age 29 to 40,000, it went from 50 percent to 65 percent.
[1:54:04] I'm sorry.
[1:54:05] I'm sorry.
[1:54:05] So I got that.
[1:54:06] It got that in most cases.
[1:54:09] That's all I wanted to hear.
[1:54:10] People state that same or it got better.
[1:54:14] We got a public hearing.
[1:54:16] This time.
[1:54:17] Thank you.
[1:54:18] At this time, I would like to open public hearing on this subject.
[1:54:24] invite anyone that wishes to come up and speak. You'll have three minutes. Please
[1:54:29] state your name. You're address and you're voting district and we will let
[1:54:32] you know when you have 15 seconds. Do I see anyone in the vast audience? I do not.
[1:54:39] So we'll close the public comment period or public hearing. And I got a comment.
[1:54:49] When I look back the years that I've been on this board, I think that this
[1:54:52] actually for the elderly, and this same is probably the best thing that I can help remind
[1:54:59] you.
[1:55:03] But that's being said.
[1:55:05] I was certainly making motion and we approve this.
[1:55:08] There we have a motion.
[1:55:10] We have a motion in a second.
[1:55:11] Any more discussion?
[1:55:12] Got a quick question.
[1:55:14] When we went from 1,000 to 2,000, and you don't have to give me answers to that.
[1:55:18] You can hear me every later on.
[1:55:21] How many other additional people I heard your numbers are applicants?
[1:55:24] But how many did some people did it help quite a far that they had before?
[1:55:30] Well, we went from the financial work to 100th altitude to 200th.
[1:55:36] Yeah.
[1:55:36] I'll get back.
[1:55:37] Yeah, I'll get back.
[1:55:38] I want to say it may be because there was the time frame of getting the
[1:55:43] superduty and getting people the knowledge that it had.
[1:55:47] Understanding.
[1:55:48] Yeah.
[1:55:48] And understanding we probably had 10 more people who qualified.
[1:55:52] We wouldn't have.
[1:55:54] I think we'll see more people qualify at 22 because that information is going to be in their hands from the weekend.
[1:56:03] And I don't think you had it tonight, but I'll just want to have many other people actually was helped.
[1:56:09] Okay.
[1:56:09] Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion on favor?
[1:56:14] Any disapproval?
[1:56:15] So moved.
[1:56:16] But I can't hear it.
[1:56:18] I guess that was, or German, yeah.
[1:56:20] Okay, that's what I can't hear.