1 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:54,860 County Board of Supervisors to order, and I believe I'll turn it over to Ms. Cobes. 2 00:04:55,300 --> 00:05:02,820 Yes, thank you Chairman, members of the Board for having us today. Today we're going to start with outside agencies. 3 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:10,600 We went through the whole last week, our last time we met, there was only a few with some follow-up we had. 4 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,680 I have, I'll start with Ken. 5 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:15,600 We have Ken with the Louisa Fluvant, Fluvant, 6 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:17,980 the Louisa Housing Foundation, we get this right order. 7 00:05:18,780 --> 00:05:21,100 And she was going to yell at us for additional information 8 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:23,980 on the emergency home repair program. 9 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:25,720 So she's going to give a little information 10 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,780 and some updates on that for you. 11 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:30,260 I lost one. 12 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:31,600 He'll be back. 13 00:05:31,780 --> 00:05:32,500 It's a whole tight. 14 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,100 OK, no rush, no rush, I'm ready. 15 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:58,620 Thank you, Board of Supervisors and Louisa County 16 00:05:58,620 --> 00:05:59,460 for having me again. 17 00:05:59,460 --> 00:06:02,100 came Highland from the Flue Van Louise Housing Foundation. 18 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:09,400 We had an extra $50,000 request in our budget request overall up for consideration to 19 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,000 report. 20 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,600 I'm going to kind of backtrack a little bit. 21 00:06:13,780 --> 00:06:19,640 It would be for the essential home repair program and what I've handed to you shows some 22 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:28,260 usage of the repair program in Louise Accounty over the past few years it continues to increase 23 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:33,800 And unfortunately, grant funds for repairs have been decreasing. 24 00:06:34,980 --> 00:06:37,920 So they are more difficult to find in a particular 25 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,140 the HPG or housing preservation grant, which is specific to rural areas, 26 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,120 has decreased considerably. 27 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,100 If you go to about middle of the page, 28 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 is the total HPG funds from TJPDC, 29 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,400 who distributes those funds, 30 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,200 have been steadily decreasing over the last three years. 31 00:06:58,820 --> 00:07:03,820 So FY-23 was $212,000, then went $1,174,111, 32 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:07,280 and this year it was only $60,000 that is shared 33 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:08,840 between all of the counties. 34 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:14,120 One of the figures that I had, I think I have it in here somewhere, 35 00:07:16,780 --> 00:07:20,720 sort of the bottom of the second of the back page, 36 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,240 shows the distribution in FY23. 37 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,660 And I can show you guys Luis, 38 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,480 a county husband getting the lion share of those funds each year. 39 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:43,660 Then we have a really good model for utilizing funds that are available like this. It was greatly underutilized about five, six, seven years ago. And we ramped it up, made it really work in our program very well. 40 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:51,560 So that particular year, Louisa County used $67,000 of those funds, and you'll also see that in 41 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:58,560 our general grant funds, Baman, LCCF at the bottom of the first page, have been steadily declining. 42 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:06,680 So those are an example of private funders that we use to help our repair funds steadily decreasing. 43 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:16,020 So, this leaves us a bit of a gap while we have continued, have a use of the repair program. 44 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,560 I think it's the widest use program of all of our programming. 45 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,160 We serve about 50 people a year at least in Louisiana County. 46 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:27,520 It serves the people who live here, their own homes. 47 00:08:28,220 --> 00:08:31,580 Generally, they've lived here, their whole lives, most of the people that we serve. 48 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:36,680 The average age is about 68, so it's about keeping our seniors in place. 49 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:42,200 If this is something that the board would entertain is really helping people who've been 50 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:50,040 here for a long time, it aligns with not expanding growth in homes, keeping the people 51 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,200 who are here in their homes. 52 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:56,040 Decreasing homelessness, a lot of the people we deal with are at great risk of homelessness. 53 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:03,100 us. So it's something that I would share with you all that would have great impact on the 54 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:10,940 community, would be valued by your constituents, and truly utilize for the people who live 55 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:18,480 and work here. And if this doesn't align with what you guys just think, I just want to 56 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,420 pose a couple of questions about what success looks like for the flu vanalyzed housing 57 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:30,780 foundation. How can we best serve the community? This program, I think is highly successful. 58 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,400 I think it is our best program that we offer to the community with the best reach. So if 59 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,560 this is in our best, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say, what direction you think 60 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:48,000 we should be going in, where we should be exerting our efforts. We are also expanding, working 61 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,400 with first-time home buyers because I do think that's been underserved, getting our young 62 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:58,100 people into homes so we are trying to serve in that capacity as well but this serves more 63 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:03,060 of our older residents, it does serve families as well though and keeps a lot of our kids 64 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:07,700 when I'm safe and dry. So I'm open to questions about this program. 65 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:20,940 Any questions coming? Good evening. Can these funds be used to match for other funds? 66 00:10:20,940 --> 00:10:29,700 Yes, they could and we could design it the in the best fashion that Louisa County would like to we could either do grant or loan 67 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:37,760 We could do it as a matching funds typically what we do I would I would suggest using this similarly to the HPG program 68 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:44,300 Where it was only for people under 50% AMI and we grant half of the 69 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:48,560 Repair project up to $5,000 and then we loan them the other half 70 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,440 So it greatly reduces their cost. 71 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,400 For example, a roof that was $6,000, we would grant them $3,000, they would borrow $3,000. 72 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,180 So it helps bring it into a more affordable range for our seniors. 73 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:04,600 I just try to come up with a way we can stretch it. 74 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,280 Yeah, yeah. 75 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:09,620 I think this is such an important program and your funder being cut for it. 76 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,600 But we need to, I think as a community, and this is a word find a way that we're funding. 77 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:32,300 These are most vulnerable, but vulnerable population in our community, our seniors, and that's why I asked you to come here today and speak about this and homelessness is just a hair away for so many people and especially people in your program. 78 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,620 I appreciate you. I'm creating the opportunity for us to talk about that. A lot of these people will leave our community. 79 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:45,800 don't do something about it, because they are that close to homelessness and and that much 80 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,060 need of repairs to their homes. 81 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:58,720 You may not know the answer to this one, but I am going to ask, should the tragic event 82 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,440 that someone having to leave their home because they cannot afford to repair it and the home 83 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,820 is no longer inevitable, but what generally happens to those homes after that? 84 00:12:07,820 --> 00:12:16,800 Do you have any idea Kim so more often than not they stay until the house disintegrates around them if you drive around and you see 85 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:24,000 You know houses that are boarded up there may be people living in there. A lot of our homes that 86 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:30,800 Really shouldn't be inhabited still are we don't go around you know being a rural community 87 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,500 We often don't go investigate those properties and realize that there are people living there 88 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,220 or we don't want to make them homeless. 89 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,780 So it's, you know, they end up back on the county. 90 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,080 They're probably, they get behind in their taxes. 91 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,320 And that is something that we also 92 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,900 requires that they're up to date on their taxes. 93 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:55,100 But they often, they can lose their homes. 94 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:03,140 So what I'm seeing is a trend for this type of home 95 00:13:03,140 --> 00:13:10,940 to be stripped down from the pieces that are causing it to be inevitable and then being refurbished 96 00:13:10,940 --> 00:13:14,960 and does the vanhousing foundation do anything like that at all with any houses? 97 00:13:15,140 --> 00:13:18,900 Whenever we have the funding available, we do. We love to rehab homes. 98 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:25,920 Okay. So in some cases, some of these homes are inevitably they need to turn over into 99 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:32,700 different ownership so that entrepreneurship business flows into that area and revitalize that home. 100 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,020 So another person can come and buy that and make it their home. 101 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:40,660 And to your point, that's what we're hoping with the new community, um, with one bedroom 102 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:44,900 and two bedroom units that will have some people who move out of those dilapidated houses, 103 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 we could then purchase that that lot and rehab it. 104 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,500 So we are looking to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak, yeah, whatever possible. 105 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Okay, thank you. 106 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Because yeah, some of these repair, so we don't repair everything that comes to us. 107 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,480 So about one out of every four calls we're really able to help, some of them are beyond 108 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:05,800 repair. 109 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,680 We can't put a new roof on a house that's going to fall down to your point. 110 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:14,850 Miss Allen, 111 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:24,030 these funds from Tom Shots and Planning District, HPG funds, is that the 112 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:27,190 program that it rotates in their district? 113 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:29,170 No, that's home. 114 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:34,670 That's well, so it's home, Chodo, recipient funds, that's the community housing development 115 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:35,210 organization. 116 00:14:35,390 --> 00:14:36,310 So it's not for this. 117 00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:37,250 It is not that one. 118 00:14:38,490 --> 00:14:45,210 And I actually printed out only print out one of them, but this is a chart of our usage of HPG funds 119 00:14:45,210 --> 00:14:46,230 over the past few years. 120 00:14:46,810 --> 00:14:47,350 I'm a L.L. 121 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:48,110 Pass this around. 122 00:14:51,890 --> 00:14:57,490 That shows how it wasn't particularly utilized by our organization a few years ago. 123 00:14:58,290 --> 00:14:59,830 But yeah, when I saw those, they were available. 124 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,980 Well, I thought it was a perfect match for what we do. 125 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:12,880 Thank you. Mr. Mobile question. Mr. Highland. To what are we attributing this decline in funding from 126 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,760 TJPDC as well as the Bama Grant program? 127 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:29,700 So the HPG funds were not as high this year and they get divided. There's only one pool of money for the whole state, and it depends on how many organizations bid on it. 128 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:33,980 Previously there were only two this past year there were four and there were a few are funds 129 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:41,460 So there's just less and there's just not a lot of programs for I I think this is a program that should be 130 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,060 broader I find it extremely successful and helping our residents 131 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,480 I really struggle. There's an e-heart program that is statewide we get 132 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:59,680 $6700 every year and they have my email and phone number up on their website and people call me 133 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:05,700 asking for those funds when that covers about three or four cases a year for us. 134 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,900 So, and they've DHCD distributes those funds. 135 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:15,420 Their response to me is that they're afraid to bring it up at the state legislature, 136 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,420 because they're afraid then they'll get rid of the program completely. 137 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:25,160 But I really encourage them to bring it up and maybe, you know, perhaps increase funding for that particular program. 138 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,700 I think I read somewhere, if you don't knock on the door, you will not get an answer. 139 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:34,660 You will definitely not get an answer, but that's sometimes not the approach of some people 140 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:35,800 in different positions. 141 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:39,110 Yeah, sure. 142 00:16:39,730 --> 00:16:47,610 Briefly, not keep going back and forth, but Miss Halena had a situation a couple of years 143 00:16:47,610 --> 00:16:48,410 ago. 144 00:16:48,770 --> 00:16:55,210 Well, we had a young man who was living in the house, he was a single parent at two children, 145 00:16:55,750 --> 00:17:00,370 And the house literally was falling down on him. 146 00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:03,370 I was a situation where he, over a year, 147 00:17:04,270 --> 00:17:06,210 if he fell in the home and he had it. 148 00:17:07,530 --> 00:17:10,090 And we asked an issue because of taxes and stuff. 149 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:14,990 But he had that, he'd been able to rehab the house. 150 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:16,690 He would have made a big difference. 151 00:17:17,550 --> 00:17:18,710 And he was getting to do some things, 152 00:17:18,790 --> 00:17:22,950 because he didn't want chaperetic services to see the kids living in the house 153 00:17:22,950 --> 00:17:25,450 like that, because he didn't want him to take his kids. 154 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:29,810 And it was a situation where, I mean, we went back and forth, back and forth. 155 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:30,530 It's heartbreaking. 156 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:31,450 Hard-breaking. 157 00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:32,570 With nothing we could do. 158 00:17:32,830 --> 00:17:35,650 And family, he had to move the Wayneboro way. 159 00:17:35,790 --> 00:17:38,110 He could find a four-to-house, you know. 160 00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:39,590 And they're the house sets. 161 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:41,170 Yeah, a new straight-out. 162 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:42,710 I mean, born, raised, and raised, and raised. 163 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:44,010 Born, raised, and raised, and raised, and raised, and raised. 164 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:48,070 We'll continue to be a blighted house in the neighborhood 165 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:49,870 and everything down property values. 166 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:59,390 I was going to just the same question as Supervisor McCotter did and so I follow up on that 167 00:17:59,390 --> 00:18:06,130 Lyra Bama and LCCF's funding levels decreasing as well and then a quick follow-up question 168 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:08,770 on that how are we expanding these funds? 169 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:13,270 These aren't through internal forces, you're hiring people to do this work or... 170 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:18,090 No, it is through the people that we currently have so they claim that it's nothing to do 171 00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:24,090 our application, it's a reduction in the amount of funds they have, and an increase in applications. 172 00:18:25,210 --> 00:18:28,090 But they have told us that they're very happy with the programming. 173 00:18:28,830 --> 00:18:32,830 We fold these, and these are fantastic because we don't have to go through the paperwork. 174 00:18:33,650 --> 00:18:39,210 We do have the formula though that we put together so that we can evenly distribute funds 175 00:18:39,210 --> 00:18:41,470 depending on the size of the repair. 176 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:46,370 If it's a very small repair, and it's only $500, they might get $250 out of it. 177 00:18:46,370 --> 00:18:50,990 and there's a max and we will meet of $1,000 for some of these smaller ones. 178 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:56,530 Some of them, it's $2,000, so the great thing about how our organization being small 179 00:18:56,530 --> 00:19:01,370 is we can design it, how we think it best functions and apply that to everybody, and then 180 00:19:01,370 --> 00:19:06,170 make upgrades to the program as we come up with better ideas or have other resources potentially. 181 00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:21,990 Do you anticipate as the tax dollars that are paid to Louisa County increase in the next few years? 182 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:29,530 Do you anticipate that that could have negative effect on the money that you are able to get? 183 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:38,330 It could, right? Because it skews the pockets of poverty with the rural areas. It's really difficult to pull the numbers that we need. 184 00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:48,150 One of the professors at UVA just asked me to come in yesterday and speak on that as part of us trying to pull data. 185 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:56,310 Very difficult, as you know, it should be pretty easy in the mineral district. It's very difficult, right? Because we're skewed. 186 00:19:56,310 --> 00:20:02,010 Yeah, you have two very different segments of society living in the same district. 187 00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:06,570 My, it's fortunately exposed to flu vanic county. 188 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:12,270 I've been able to pull some numbers that are specific to the four-cunion district and apply 189 00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:18,370 them to Louise County because there's a similar issue, but four-cunion is about the only area 190 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:21,890 where I've been able to pull very accurate at it. 191 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:23,190 And it's still skewed there. 192 00:20:24,330 --> 00:20:30,650 But it's one of the more clear data sources where you can identify you. 193 00:20:30,670 --> 00:20:34,610 This is very different than the rest of the county and they have the same issue there, right, 194 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:35,450 with Lake Monticella. 195 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:43,410 But getting accurate and within the margin of error. 196 00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:52,330 So one of our margins of error was a 24% poverty rate with a plus or minus of 14%. 197 00:20:52,330 --> 00:20:58,630 So either it's really pretty low at 10% or reasonable or it's extremely high and almost half of the people 198 00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:03,570 So with that being said I 199 00:21:03,570 --> 00:21:07,470 Guess that we as a board should anticipate 200 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:11,430 That the amount of ass from your 201 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:15,570 Organization probably will grow I 202 00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:18,250 I think we need for the funds will be great 203 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:22,310 We will have greater pressure on the more vulnerable people and that's 204 00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:26,030 certainly what I've seen in the past six years here as we've grown. 205 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:33,570 But as far as if this does have an effect on what grant money or the amounts of the 206 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:40,910 grants, if they start reducing because the county, I know that way the school works. 207 00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:44,570 I don't remember what that's called, but as- 208 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:46,150 I can size it index, that's right. 209 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:54,250 So, you know, it's a percentage that each locality in the state gets, well, if the more 210 00:21:54,250 --> 00:22:00,750 income that your county gets in tax money from somewhere else, the less money you get from 211 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:01,970 the state for your schools. 212 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:08,110 So, I have a feeling that there are probably some grants out there that work similar that are 213 00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:14,510 based on income and need and the county financial need at the county, not of the individuals 214 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:21,390 but of the county itself. It helps us validate the need. Correct. Okay. Yes. Yes, Mr. 215 00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:29,890 One question. I know you recently received a Rabbinic community grant. 216 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,900 From Amazon. That has nothing to do with this. 217 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,320 So we actually, we did ask them for $10,000 specifically for repairs. 218 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,060 So, and they did grant us $10,000 for those repairs. 219 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,600 So, yes. 220 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:47,840 Was it $10,000? The limit of that request, if I'm not mistaken? 221 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,100 The limit, the limit is. 222 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:51,660 The limit is everybody to $10,000. 223 00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:53,000 Yes, yes. 224 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:58,760 Which is helpful, but it's another, you know, we're trying to pull from as many sources as possible. 225 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:05,940 No other opportunities for grants for for this cycle per se or we've been looking we we continue 226 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:09,440 We will apply to LCCF again and Bama funds 227 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:16,420 But it's really difficult to find you would think housing would be a an abundant 228 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,500 Area where there's grants available. It's difficult often when I apply even to a non-profit 229 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:28,340 To find housing listed the list homelessness the list other 230 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:38,300 basic needs but housing is is rarely listed out. Okay, so I'm going to stop with my my point making, but 231 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:44,720 a long time ago when I was younger I wanted to pay off Converse all-star shoes. That was the shoe that you would want. 232 00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:48,960 When you look back in the days not really much of a shoe anymore, but I 233 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:56,080 didn't get Converse shoes. I got McGregor's from Kmart and I was thankful that I got those and eventually they were kind of cool. 234 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,060 So I think what the point here is, what does a need and what does a want? 235 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,380 We have a lot of things in front of us on these sheets that are want. 236 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:07,400 This may be a need. 237 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:15,040 So I think we really need to consider the difference between needs and wants when we look at this budget. 238 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:16,500 Thank you. 239 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,780 And I do think we are very good about selecting our residents and making sure they're compliant with the programs. 240 00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:27,620 there. There's citizens we have people on our board who also can say, hey, these are 241 00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:31,040 good citizens who need some help. Because sometimes we get people who are not 242 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:37,460 great citizens and we do we are we are selective in those cases. So we want 243 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:43,380 people who are also feeding back into the community. I can vouch sitting on your board 244 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,980 that you are selective. The money is going to the right homes and the right 245 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:50,700 homeowners and you're picking the right projects. You're not just spending it and I 246 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,860 agree with you and that's why I asked her to come that this is more of a need than a 247 00:24:54,860 --> 00:25:01,980 want for our community and for residents who really do need the assistance and the 248 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:07,180 help up from their county. Through an organization and a nonprofit like you 249 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,920 nurse. Thank you and I appreciate your involvement. This 250 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,580 Jones, seeing the day-to-day activity is very helpful and we really appreciate 251 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:22,000 your time on the board and love being on the board. Okay. Anybody else have any other questions or comments? 252 00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:31,280 Mr Chairman, if we move forward, I'd like to reconsider a bit to get a request for the money that's been asked. 253 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,280 I will second that. Two years, a motion to approve the 50,000. 254 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,440 Right, yes sir. Second, any discussion? 255 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,640 All those in favor of signify by saying aye. 256 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,740 Hi, any opposed, motion passes, you're an MC. 257 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,120 I'm like, right. 258 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:49,600 That's seven. 259 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,000 It's been forced to leave you, Chairman. 260 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:56,860 Board members, we were sent an email from Congress, 261 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,440 men, McGuire, 262 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:10,580 about funding for March 6th, 2012, 263 00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:18,340 26 about projects in the community project funding process and I would like to include our 264 00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:26,700 affordable housing project under the where he has project must have strong community support 265 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:34,280 district clear federal nexus and shovel ready and it is shovel ready. It's very shovel ready there's 266 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:42,100 a lot of someone and must be for the funds for FY27 which we're in that we could we've been 267 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:48,160 and mixed but I like to send him a letter of support for our Forte of the House and has to be 268 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:56,720 in by March on the 6th and for those of you who remember the money that we now have we got through 269 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:03,000 same process that we're using now we get through a similar 270 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:08,080 CDBG grant kind of deal but I would like for us to support that project 271 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,720 this project in the same way. 272 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:15,140 I mean when it came through that was more agricultural base but as you 273 00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:19,260 pointed out it does talk about community so it may be something that you 274 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,500 could possibly qualify for. 275 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,040 We could potentially follow the world development. 276 00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:29,040 I'm Mr. Goodman, so you can review what we're talking about. 277 00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:32,580 We'll work on that. 278 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,860 May I also ask for a letter of support for other grant funds that we are pursuing, 279 00:27:38,860 --> 00:27:41,100 like Bama and twice as nice. 280 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,780 I don't think anybody has an objection to that. 281 00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:46,180 We just need Dave Matthew, have another hit. 282 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:46,980 Help. 283 00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:53,020 You can work with staff on that as well. 284 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:56,460 Thanks. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you. 285 00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:57,020 Miss Go. 286 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:58,880 Yes, sorry. Right now. Okay. 287 00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:00,040 Thank you. 288 00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:00,800 Thank you. 289 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,380 Just a few updates on some of the others. 290 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:07,220 I did work with the Arts Center. 291 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:10,240 And we went through their budget request. 292 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,740 And we are able to move from the general fund funding. 293 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,260 There's 60,000 requests. 294 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,260 They have programming needs of about 94,000. 295 00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:24,080 So we can move that over to transit occupancy and ask through that path. 296 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:28,140 So I'm going to work with her and Cindy to do the application through that process 297 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:31,540 through that funding source, which would free up general fund money as you all requested. 298 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,400 That's what was the amount you just said? 299 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,500 They asked for 80,000. 300 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,300 Y'all had said that you would like to fund 60,000. 301 00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:49,200 And to see if we could fund some of it through the transit occupancy tax funding. 302 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,880 So in that with them they actually have 94,000 that would probably qualify in the transit 303 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,620 occupancy funding. But I will work with them to apply for at least the 60,000 through that 304 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:07,080 process so that funding would pay that allocation in fiscal year 27. I'm gonna go ahead and get 305 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:13,820 them to submit it so it's ready to go about July 1. So that's where I'm getting lost. Is that 306 00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:17,000 $60,000 over and above the $60,000? 307 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:19,100 No, that's $60,000. 308 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,300 The original, we normally pay for out of general fund dollars. 309 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,000 We're going to take it out of general fund 310 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,240 and move it over to the transit occupancy budget 311 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,320 to be funded there. 312 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120 So same-60, not to just one, but it'll be funded 313 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,640 with the money that's more restrictive 314 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,420 that to free it up a little bit in general fund 315 00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:37,240 that's not restrictive. 316 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,560 So it hadn't increased their amount. 317 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:59,960 So their request is still, I know most of the Williams have talked about, and we had some discussion earlier, about the 60, everybody was in agreement to, and they could apply for TOD funding, TOD for the additional. 318 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Well, 20,000 that they were looking at them. 319 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:12,320 He had asked me to also look at it for the 60. So if they have 94,000 and expenses that would qualify under the 320 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,760 TOT funding, the 60 they originally asked for, plus the additional. 321 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:25,160 Okay, we're still holding it. If I get it right, we're still holding the appropriation at 60,000. We're just looking at a different 322 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,660 money that we're set of taking it from general fund money so we would take it out of the 323 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:29,240 TOT money. 324 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:30,840 Yes. 325 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:41,180 Well, I would also like to add on to that is trying to also find that additional 20,000, whether 326 00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:45,780 it's through TOT or whatever it is, but when we're looking at some of these other things, 327 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:54,160 I think it's a value ahead of community service that, in other words, I don't want to 328 00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:02,920 see it. The 60 in the past has been sort of this is designated that's done. It sounds 329 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:09,100 like now. If I'm understanding this correctly, the 60 is still there, we're just looking 330 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:19,980 for a different pocket. But I'd also like to look for that additional 20 to 20 to get a closer 331 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:27,720 to that 80s house mark. If y'all, they have the fun, they have the stuff that would qualify 332 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,460 under that program to get them to the 80s and I can tell them to submit that. Are they being 333 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:39,540 in that bluegrass band from Mr. Row? They got one on April and I love it. 334 00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:49,960 Do you know what 335 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:54,920 It's a whole different quality, don't know. 336 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:58,100 Chairman, can I get you a quick comment? 337 00:31:59,180 --> 00:32:03,460 I am confused on this, because I'm way I understood this. 338 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,080 It's the last meaning we approved $60,000. 339 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,680 Straight at the General Fund for the Louise Arts Center. 340 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,100 That was decided. 341 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:10,580 Okay. 342 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,740 It was something. 343 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,240 I'm not saying that we don't have to do what we're doing now. 344 00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:16,540 But I'm just trying to parse this out in my mind. 345 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,420 And I think maybe supervisor Bartler has a similar question. 346 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Because it was something that we discussed at the last work session, and I definitely, 347 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:32,260 it's still not a clear, the $20,000 that we are, they asked for 80. 348 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:37,560 We're not going to 80, we're going to 60, but when I understood that the additional 20 349 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,580 could come from TOT, I don't know why we need to make it more difficult. 350 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,660 Just given the 60 out of the general fund way between its already said we would do, 351 00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:51,880 And then 94,000 out of TOT, 352 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,700 if we're going to get 700,000 at TOT, 353 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:59,580 you know, possibly, and you get 94,000 for one entity. 354 00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:01,260 It's a lot of money. 355 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,240 It's a large percentage of the TOT, 356 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,940 but if we go 20,000, that may be a little bit more palatable, 357 00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:09,620 and it may not cause other people 358 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,000 that are applying for TOT to be like, 359 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,300 hey, 94,000, and we're getting such and such. 360 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:17,260 So I don't know if it's necessarily, 361 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:24,060 if you like, we have an issue where we have to go to 94,000 out of TOT, but again, I'm not on the finance committee. 362 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,660 I thought we had to say this one. 363 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,520 I may have misunderstood, because I asked it a couple of times. 364 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:41,300 And I'm still confused on what we're doing right now, because is the 94,000, that's not all of what's in TOT money is. 365 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,700 No, what I asked them to do? 366 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,760 No, no, there's sudden. 367 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,200 Let me back to that. 368 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,240 I think, let me back to that. 369 00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:52,460 So, the last budget workshop, the Board, 370 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,060 ten of the Regary, to fund $60,000, which is historically 371 00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:57,960 what they've been funded. 372 00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:02,360 They requested 80 finance committee recommended that we 373 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,440 hold this stay at 60. 374 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,420 Then Mr. Williams asked if there was a way that Ms. 375 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:14,200 and could look at any money that could come from the TOT money. 376 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:25,060 So what Ms. Colvin has come back with is said that the entire 60 could qualify to come 377 00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:34,980 out of the TOT money and the advantage to that, in my opinion, is that's a completely 378 00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:37,860 separate bucket of money than our general revenue. 379 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:48,760 So, that frees up general revenue, which is not restricted to some very narrow things, and frees up general revenue to go to schools, fire, 380 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,280 EMS, human services, wherever we would decide that we would have to put it. 381 00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:55,640 I'm right so far, right? 382 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,280 Yeah, that's how I took it. 383 00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:00,060 So, that's the factual statement. 384 00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:06,620 I'm going to give you my opinion, but what I think, I don't think we should go any more than $60,000, 385 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:11,460 myself period. I mean, again we talked about that at the last meeting, that's just been a historical 386 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:17,680 number. But by being able to find it outside a journal fund, it frees up general fund money 387 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,060 to do the other functions of local government. 388 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:28,780 That's a win for the county. It's a win for the arts 389 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:34,820 center. They get their historical funding level and you know I'll go back to needs and once right 390 00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:37,720 from the community, I think that's probably a need. 391 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,220 I think this is probably one. 392 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,560 I think it's extremely important. 393 00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:43,220 I've supported it since I've been here. 394 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,620 But this is a most a placeholder for the last 395 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,360 alongmas of Barnes 10 years, 12 years, something 396 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,840 like a long time, right? 397 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:56,520 So that would be the advantage to taking it out of TOT. 398 00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:59,460 And then we would just have to determine 399 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:01,300 if we want to go more than to 60,000, 400 00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:02,240 which I wouldn't support. 401 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:12,700 It's a chair. I'm of that same answer, that the TOT would go. That's what we have it from 402 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:17,840 that standpoint. As I told you earlier, I remember in the original funding for our son 403 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,040 for the long for three years. 404 00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:35,390 The funding for it, coming to the TOT, they have to apply for that to get it. 405 00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:43,330 That's where I'm getting a little. In other words, we're taking it from, it's coming 406 00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:47,370 out to general fun and I'm fine with it coming out to GOT. That's fine. 407 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:50,110 But, in other words, 408 00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:56,750 we're taking it from the general fun where we're saying that, okay, you got 60,000 from 409 00:36:56,750 --> 00:37:06,630 general fund. Now we've seen you got to apply to get that 60,000 out of the TLT. 410 00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:12,870 We have what we've said in the past that we'll put a placeholder for the full 60 from 411 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:18,230 the general fund if they don't get the full amount. So let's say they apply for 60 and 412 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:25,150 they get 40. The county would then kick in the other 20 so that the full preparation amount 413 00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:26,290 would always be guaranteed. 414 00:37:26,770 --> 00:37:29,970 I think that's that's right and we... 415 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:47,400 We read a right-knit, so maybe I'll remember it going forward. But what I'm saying is when I didn't recall that part and I don't know of anything that I can refer back to that says that's what we're doing. 416 00:37:48,400 --> 00:38:16,360 We asked me also, we did this for the Historical Society last year, and so I did the same thing for them, and so what we did last year is when we told, we had them apply, but when they applied, we put a note that the board would like this to move forward, it needs the requirements, and I put that on their award letter that it would be funded with TOT with an application process, and if for some reason it wasn't, then I would come back and we'd fund it with the other, and it was approved. 417 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,500 We all do the final approval on TOT as long as it meets, the guidelines to go to the committee. 418 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:28,720 The committee does have a say in it, but these are things that do fall in what they vote to do for. 419 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,940 And that's why I had them go through and say, hey, programming, anything that brings in people promotes tourism. 420 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,720 These are the kind of expenses so going through the historical societies, budget same thing. 421 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:48,940 So to approve 24,000 last year, I think 13,000 is what we pay for at a TOT and the other 10 out of General Fund. 422 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:55,940 Working with them this year, we think 23,000 can be funded out of TOT out of their 24. 423 00:38:56,260 --> 00:39:03,320 But it can be broken down however you wanted. It does free up to pay for things like the emergency repairs and things like that. 424 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,580 I have zero problem with the coming out of TOT. 425 00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:16,940 That's fine, it's just, I don't want it to be hit or mess, and I told both of that. 426 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,320 I don't know any new ground, as you said, this is how we did the historical work. 427 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:26,320 We did it with historical society, and the goal is to fund the project, it's just the funding source. 428 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,600 And we do because of the funding source that does have an application process because of the way it has to go through that committee. 429 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:40,020 But we do let them know this is things that we've vetted and we feel like they should be approved. Now if they don't move on forward 430 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:43,460 Then we can put it out of the general fund just like we always have 431 00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:50,400 And that's why I told both of them when I talked to them that I would like them to go ahead and do the application now 432 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,740 So we can take it in March to that committee and get it approved or not 433 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:58,920 So by the time we do the budget in April if they didn't approve it, we can put it in general fund 434 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,200 You're the 435 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,960 the age on to the arts center correct as well as the tourism 436 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,380 but the arts center who's to the historical societies at you so take 437 00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:15,540 that message back to both of them and reiterate that what were they were great I 438 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:22,800 talked to Caitlyn Karen Karen and they were both totally on board with that I 439 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,260 told him we would help him get what you know in the process that you know when you 440 00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:30,500 have your meeting so see many else have any comments or questions yes yeah 441 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:48,390 I started making motion to do that and I also, in your discussions with them, have them apply for this for that extra 20,000 to get them to that 80,000 mark. 442 00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:54,410 To me, I think it's something that's worthwhile. It should be applying for. 443 00:40:54,670 --> 00:41:00,730 And when we're looking at some of these other things, that is what has made me want to boast of that. 444 00:41:00,730 --> 00:41:02,330 So, what's your motion? 445 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:12,010 I'm making a motion to move forward, taking, giving them a 60,000 out of the TOT and also a platform for the Aleppo. 446 00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:17,570 So, your motion is 80,000 from the TOT, fund their full request from TOT. 447 00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:20,690 Yes, you're second on that. 448 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:26,310 I mean, just make sure I understand the motion, because I mean, it's along your lines, 449 00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:29,350 60 is going to get a lot of to them. 450 00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:34,830 they're going to try and get it all from TOT, but if that doesn't happen we're still going to 451 00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:40,010 back it up and give them 60 and then maybe 20 from TOT. I think that's his motion. 452 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:42,830 Okay. That's what I understood about it in the 80 totally. 453 00:41:42,850 --> 00:41:46,330 So you want to bump it up to the 480,000. 454 00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:49,470 There would be my motion. 455 00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:54,230 We have a second motion from the general fund for 80. 456 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:58,530 No, there's somewhere for you if we've been at a 6,880,000. 457 00:41:59,030 --> 00:42:03,950 Well, I think what I was talking about doing is taking the 60,000 from either 458 00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:11,070 General Fund or the TOT and then have just seen the discussion, have them apply for the 459 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:12,790 additional 20,000. 460 00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:24,090 That's just, let's follow, I think we understand what you want to do, but we can't take 461 00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:28,750 something like application, but we can't take money out of TOT. I think what we're talking 462 00:42:28,750 --> 00:42:35,670 before, like it's called, I'm talking about put a placeholder for 60,000. They don't get 463 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:41,490 it from TOT, then we will find it out as your fund. So I think we can do that with a placeholder 464 00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:46,730 and let them apply for the money out TOT, but like I said in case they don't, they want 465 00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:53,750 at least get the 60,000 unless another board member move to add additional funding. 466 00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:54,170 I'll try. 467 00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:59,510 So we do have a motion for 60,000 total appropriation. 468 00:42:59,810 --> 00:43:00,830 We don't have a second. 469 00:43:01,150 --> 00:43:03,890 So unless we have a second, that's going to die for a lack of a second. 470 00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:06,390 80,000 total. 471 00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:07,230 80,000 total. 472 00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:08,590 80,000 total. 473 00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:09,510 Yes, 80,000. 474 00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:11,150 Okay, so you're second? 475 00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:12,570 From both sources. 476 00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:14,250 Application for Grant? 477 00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:21,270 If we appropriate for $80,000, and they don't get it from TOT, it's going to be gummed back out of the general fund. 478 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,120 Or you could do a combination, yes. 479 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,860 All right, so that's the motion on the floor. 480 00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:33,960 We have any discussion because I have some discussion, but... 481 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,320 I would find a point of discussion. 482 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,220 TOT is like Easter candy. 483 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:43,940 Big old basket of great candy that we're getting, not from our taxpayers, but from visitors. 484 00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:50,400 As we take from the basket and enjoy the candies, eventually the basket is empty and you have to wait till next year. 485 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,420 So keep that in mind when you're thinking about all the Easter candy and TOT money we can enjoy. 486 00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:56,920 But you must use it wisely. 487 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:58,780 Mr. 488 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,780 Woodrop, I appreciate it. 489 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,220 It does get replenished so far. 490 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,260 It does. 491 00:44:08,260 --> 00:44:13,960 And hopefully it gets re-punished through some of the programs that were spending this money on. 492 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:15,500 We can. 493 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,640 This is a good convoluted. 494 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,120 It's pretty convoluted right now. 495 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,240 But I've got it down. 496 00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:30,760 The part of the 60, if it comes back from the general fund, that was the intent. 497 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:37,940 And what my motion is for the 60 from the general fund. 498 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:51,540 If it doesn't come from the tube tip, but in the discussions, I would recommend or ask that they apply for that additional 20 through the TOT. 499 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:59,960 Well, they can do that without a motion from the board because what your motion would do right now would obligate the funding to 80. 500 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:08,420 That's now what I'm 10, the 60,000, for them we don't make come from the general fund. 501 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,240 Then we don't need a motion because we already did all that last meeting. 502 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,020 And they're free like anyone else to apply for any additional funding. 503 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:20,500 But when I send it up to them. 504 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,980 So do you want to withdraw your motion? 505 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,200 Yeah, I mean if that's already established. 506 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400 Okay, I think it is. Do you want to withdraw your second? 507 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,960 Yeah, absolutely. 508 00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:34,520 That folks is Robert's rules are ordered. 509 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,380 I have to answer. 510 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:35,740 Yes sir. 511 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,200 So with that being said, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the motion 512 00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:45,480 that the Arts Center asks for the $80,000. 513 00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:50,520 $80,000 from the TOT money. 514 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,600 And we will send a letter along with it just like we have in the past. 515 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:04,320 that if that funding, some reason doesn't come through at the full amount, for them to come back, 516 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:13,800 we will keep $60,000 as a holdy in a hold for them in case they don't get the full amount. 517 00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:17,040 Second. 518 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,820 Is there a second? 519 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,320 Any discussion on this? 520 00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:21,780 Yeah. 521 00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:27,180 In other words, if we are now doing this 60, I agree. 522 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,460 Right now the 60 doesn't make any difference. 523 00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:31,920 So they're going to ask for $80,000 from the trends 524 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,900 at our agency tax. 525 00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:37,960 We're going to send a letter to them that explains to them 526 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,380 that if they don't get that full, $80,000 527 00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:45,960 that we have a own hold for them, $60,000. 528 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:48,980 But they've got to come back and ask for it. 529 00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:49,940 Yeah. 530 00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:53,240 That's what I'm trying to clear up. 531 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,440 So let's just use an example. 532 00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:59,040 If the TOT says we're not going to do 80, 533 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:06,080 but we'll do 30, then we only have to do 50. 534 00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:10,200 Okay, so you're obligated to do 50. 535 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,140 That can't be done for 80 times. 536 00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:13,960 Well, that means I'm asking it. 537 00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:17,660 That's going motion is $80,000 ASF from the TOT, 538 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,140 but I think the scenario doesn't have to play out that way. 539 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:22,480 I don't know. 540 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,840 That would be that. 541 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,000 The more money that TOT gives them 542 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,880 be less money that the county would have to do. 543 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,720 But at the end of the day, your motion is to increase the 544 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:36,620 appropriation date. 545 00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:40,180 Well, yes. 546 00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:41,700 From Earth. 547 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:42,520 What shall I say? 548 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,380 TOT from TOT. 549 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:44,740 Well, that. 550 00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:46,520 So if we get, I said the other. 551 00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:50,720 If we get that, I said that about it being anything more. 552 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,320 I'm saying $80,000 from TOT is what they 553 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:08,110 If it doesn't work out that way, then I'm saying the county is saying we'll do 60,000 if they don't get the full 80,000. 554 00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:12,010 So I have a question and again same question I ask here. 555 00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:20,810 So we've agreed in the last budget workshop to fund them wherever the source comes from at 60,000 dollars. 556 00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:30,070 Nothing stops them from applying without a board directive and wandering into this $80,000 557 00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:36,350 number from going into a plane for additional TOT funding outside of the 60. 558 00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:49,150 I mean my concern is once that $80,000 number is thrown out, it's always going to be out. 559 00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:51,210 We're going to increase it. 560 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:55,010 Well, I think that's up to the arts. 561 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:57,130 Well, if I'm not so. 562 00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:59,070 Yeah, they just heard they're getting 80,000. 563 00:48:59,190 --> 00:49:01,830 No, if I'm not, if I'm not, if I'm not, I'm going to 564 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:03,350 play over the $20,000. 565 00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:08,270 Regardless, because I noted the board holding 60,000 for them. 566 00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:09,730 Right, that's right. 567 00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:10,650 Did that not say that? 568 00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:12,450 That's exactly right. 569 00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:13,290 It was there. 570 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:17,450 Well, is that not what we've done in the past? 571 00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:24,950 What we've done in the past is if y'all say we're going to give them $50,000, they get $50,000 572 00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:25,990 from whatever source. 573 00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:29,270 So if TOT has 25, they're only going to get 20% from the board. 574 00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:32,230 If TOT has 50, there's nothing from the general fund. 575 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:37,050 So we've been doing it like y'all vote on a total of what you want them to have. 576 00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:38,510 Whether that's 60 or 80. 577 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:44,370 And then we figure out the funding sources based on that. 578 00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:46,130 That's what we've been doing. 579 00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:49,370 Yeah, it's a historical society being the precedent. 580 00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:52,090 They're the only one we've done so far, yeah. 581 00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:52,470 And so. 582 00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:56,890 So I was asked to try to do the same thing using 60,000 583 00:49:56,890 --> 00:50:00,210 at the last work session, see how much of that 60 584 00:50:00,210 --> 00:50:07,090 could be funded from TOT, not that they can apply for more. 585 00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:11,750 But the board would only commit for all, at least last session. 586 00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:13,350 I can change it. 587 00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:21,410 It's 60,000 up here, which is the historic bending line, but we do have a motion and it's like, I'll withdraw. 588 00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:24,490 All right, so we're clear on that. 589 00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:26,670 I'm not right. 590 00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:31,670 Let me, let me restate it to what I think in Mr. Goodman. 591 00:50:31,930 --> 00:50:35,570 I'm looking at you here because I'm sure you've been taking middle notes. 592 00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:45,230 copious, middle notes. The board has agreed to tentatively fund the Arts Center for $60,000. 593 00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:53,790 There's a possibility that all or a great deal of that funding can come from TOT money, 594 00:50:54,450 --> 00:51:00,830 which would lessen the impact on the general fund because it's just a different bucket of money. 595 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:17,770 What their additional request is, 20, 10, 30, 40, they can go to the TOT Committee and ask for additional funding through the tourism dollars, but what the county is guaranteeing them regardless of the funding source of $60,000. 596 00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:27,590 They don't only get more if they ask for 61,000 and all of it can come from TOT and that group will prove it. 597 00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:29,930 They could get up to 80,000. 598 00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:31,350 80,000? 599 00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:31,790 Or whatever. 600 00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:34,090 In quality by 4,000. 601 00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:34,950 But that's separate. 602 00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:36,890 I mean, that's separate from board action. 603 00:51:36,970 --> 00:51:37,810 That's exactly right. 604 00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:51,930 If I understood what was just said was that if we have a place all of a 60 and then they apply for the additional 605 00:51:51,930 --> 00:52:01,910 for 20 more thousand through the TOT funding that they will get it sounds as though they 606 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:08,450 will get 20 from the TOT. All of it from the TOT. Right but that's so is that going to be 607 00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:14,210 80 or 60. It'd be 80 if they apply outside of the preparation. If they ask for 80 in 608 00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:23,370 group approves it. If they approve 61, they get 61. If they approve 58, then 58 from 609 00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:28,190 TOT and 2000 from the board. You're not understanding that right. Okay. You are. 610 00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:29,790 The only thing the board is guaranteed. 611 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:40,720 It's $60,000, okay. That's what we decided the last time. I mean, we can, again, Mr. Chairman, Tommy, I understand your confusion 612 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:54,920 because when we approved $60,000 for an outside agency, that's $60,000 out of the general fund. Now, we are encouraging them to apply for another $20,000 grant from the TOT. 613 00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:01,060 What I'm trying to understand is, is that $20,000 backed out of the 60? 614 00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:03,360 No, and we're not going to encourage him to do anything. 615 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,940 They've asked for an appropriation of 80. 616 00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:07,560 We're not encouraging that they can do that. 617 00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:08,740 They can do whatever they want. 618 00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:10,880 Same as the arts center or anybody else. 619 00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:12,260 It's a funding source. 620 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,300 So we're looking at a fundee source to free up money from the general fund. 621 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:16,800 Yeah, that's all we're doing. 622 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,080 Y'all have approved 60,000 and we're looking for ways to fund it. 623 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:27,620 That's allowable like we have revenue recovery funding. We used to we we use that now with the equipment bills 624 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:33,540 But just for funding sources and the only thing is this money ties to an application. That's the only thing 625 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,680 You're doing a great job telling you it's planned. I mean not be able to understand it 626 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,520 You don't know what approved the amount you want them to have 30 hands 627 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,900 It would just agree and so the funding source now 628 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:58,700 Yeah. We'll figure that out on the back side of it. If y'all approved six, see if we can take it out of a transit occupancy great. It frees up general fund. 629 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,680 And that's what we did the last meeting. You've just come back with a potential funding source other than a general fund. 630 00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:12,340 And I have the same for the historical society with her amount, but y'all cut to the same thing. You approved an amount. Okay. 631 00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:15,180 What I talked about was a 60. 632 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,740 We typically approve. 633 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,760 And then if they could get applied to the TOT funding for the additional. 634 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:34,880 But so if they get that TOT, then we only will give them, I mean, the 40. 635 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,420 No, we're giving them 60 regardless. 636 00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:46,080 If they apply for an additional 20 and get it, they get 80, but we could use TOT to get part of the 60. 637 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,300 What they do with that other 20 is outside of our purview. 638 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,060 They can apply to the TOT committee regardless of what we do with it. 639 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,840 I'm going to have them apply for the 60 alone and leave it at that. 640 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,620 If they want to apply to a second application for anything above and beyond, 641 00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:08,240 then that would flow through that normal process, nothing from the board, nothing other than yaw 642 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:12,120 would vote on it when it got through here. Maybe that's the simplest way to look at it, right? 643 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,400 Is that okay? Let's look at this. Let's look at this into a 60 and a 60 and a 60. Yeah. 644 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:21,700 We're going to ask them to apply to TOT for the 60 and if they don't get all of the 60 from TOT, 645 00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:26,720 we'll make it a whole 60 assuming that's what you all still want to do. We'll make it a whole 60 646 00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:32,800 with TOT in general fund. If they want to come back in a second separate step 647 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:39,320 To get to their full 80 request. We would say you may apply to TOT for that and there's no guarantee 648 00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:42,080 Of whether or not you will get it. Does that make sense? 649 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,020 It does but you cannot do two applications was going to set a amount of time for TOT. 650 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:56,200 There's a time limit on it. It's written into that. I don't know what it is. Is it shorter than one year? 651 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,240 I think it is, but the shorter than one year it grows over into the second half of the fiscal year. 652 00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:05,350 I'll pull the guidelines. 653 00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:05,770 Yeah. 654 00:56:06,110 --> 00:56:07,190 We'll pull that check on. 655 00:56:07,330 --> 00:56:07,790 A good one. 656 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:11,960 You ready? 657 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:13,720 Everybody clear and I clean. 658 00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:16,120 How many more of the work sessions do we have? 659 00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:19,460 One more and then the budget time holes. 660 00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:20,360 We get done. 661 00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:21,120 Just figure it out. 662 00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:22,080 Budget time calls. 663 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,160 And you, and public care. 664 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,900 There's a more work session in the public hearing. 665 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:26,200 And the adoption. 666 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,860 So, no appropriations in their staff. 667 00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:32,520 And we'll ample time to work on this. 668 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,040 All right, well, we got three minutes, Jim. 669 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,120 Oh, wow, OK. 670 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,540 Then the last one I have, and we can do this one next time if you want. 671 00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:51,300 So, planning commission did approve the capital improvement plan. 672 00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:52,960 So, that is what's in front of you. 673 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,380 What was it for? 674 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:54,200 There were no changes. 675 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,780 Based on what we talked about at our last work session. 676 00:56:56,780 --> 00:57:01,520 Our next work session on March 2nd, is at 4 o'clock. 677 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,160 4 or 3. 678 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:04,080 4. 679 00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:07,880 Are we going to, are we having the department head, Mr. Goodman? 680 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,840 It's up to you all, sir. 681 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,220 Dr. Mr. Williams today, he was fine with it. 682 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,720 What we'd, I'd like to do is have the work session go from start to three. 683 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,480 Have the schools, the fire, and the sheriff's department. 684 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:32,560 And those are the top three, give their presentation to the board and answer questions to the board to justify the numbers of the next. 685 00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:38,400 I had written that down to potentially do that three o'clock. You think two hours instead of just one. 686 00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:43,900 I mean, no street if they take an hour, then whatever the hour is that we would normally do. 687 00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:44,240 Okay. 688 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,760 I'll make a change to that. 689 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,740 for making a change to good time. 690 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,820 It'll be March 2nd at 3 o'clock instead of 4 o'clock. 691 00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:59,200 I'll send out a meeting invite and update the website. 692 00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:07,930 And then we've also scheduled our budget road to meetings. 693 00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:12,190 I've sent out meeting invites for that March 24th, March 31st, 694 00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:14,270 April 1st from 6 to 8. 695 00:58:14,410 --> 00:58:16,470 We'll have those at the three different locations. 696 00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:22,570 7. Are we all going to be attending at Springbreak Week? We were going to be out of town. 697 00:58:23,890 --> 00:58:27,290 I think we'll have people in every one. So what is that? 698 00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:30,670 Springbreak, I think it's April 6. 699 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:32,610 But we have to be careful. 700 00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:34,330 It's April 3. 701 00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:36,310 It's April 3. 702 00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:37,370 It's April 3. 703 00:58:37,770 --> 00:58:38,190 It's April 3. 704 00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:41,370 It's April 3. 705 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:45,710 It's April 3. 706 00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:51,410 perfect. What's the role going to be, you know, there's no more than two, if you 707 00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:56,850 don't enter act in all that sort of thing, do we need to keep it to two or if 708 00:58:56,850 --> 00:59:01,970 more than two or there, you can't talk to each other or we ever toss it. 709 00:59:02,110 --> 00:59:09,050 I mean, we'll just advertise. Okay, let's do that. Let's go. And we've already, like you all 710 00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:12,610 are going to take any action, but I certainly see it potential for more than two of you to be there. 711 00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:17,550 exactly. And it's an advertised meeting anyway. So it would be fine. Yes, sir. Okay. 712 00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:24,490 Cindy's already started posting, I think, the meetings out. They're on the website, definitely. I know. Okay. 713 00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:28,410 Okay. Everything else can wait until next time. Okay. 714 00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:31,070 We'll close the budget workshop. 715 00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:33,510 And let's see. 716 00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:40,820 I call the Tuesday, February 17th, 2021, 717 00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:45,260 twenty-six meeting of the Louise Accounting Supervisors to order Mr. Barnard. 718 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:52,660 I made a convening close session to the fallen sub-sections of Virginia Code Section 2.2-3711. 719 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:59,720 One in accordance with Section 2.2-3711-183 Discussional Consideration of the Acquisition. 720 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,920 Real property for public purpose or the disposition of public account real property in the mineral district, where discussion in open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body, and two in accordance with section 2.23711AB consultation with legal counsel and corridor team by public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such council. 721 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,640 Second, we're probably moved and say that we're going to close session any discussion 722 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,720 all those in favour of signify by CNI, any opposed motion passes, we're in close session.