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» Thank you so much. Thank you.

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» You're welcome.

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» It's too easy, right?

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» All right. Uh next on the agenda is a uh

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I guess it's a three-part uh request

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uh for 733 McKinley Avenue. Uh beginning

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with a landmark designation, uh an

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alteration certificate and a grant

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request. And we will have a staff

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recording in progress.

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The mayor is running a few minutes late.

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He says ETA 12:05. Start

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» The meeting. Do it.

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» So, no. He said do not start and I shall

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six months.

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» Are we on Zoom?

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» Okay. Um,

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thank you [clears throat] all today for

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being here. I'm sorry for my delay in

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getting here. Um, but we will be done no

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later than 5:00 period and maybe uh a

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why don't we take a roll call first?

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» Council member Fehee

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» Here.

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» Council member Kern

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» Present. Council member

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» Here.

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» Mayorington

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» Here.

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» Council member

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» Here.

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» Here. Um, if you would join me in pledge

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of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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is is Caleb online?

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» No. Yeah. I one of our members today got

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pretty violently sick last night. I'm

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not going to say that was either because

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he had to come to council meeting or

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that he had to pick up family at the

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airport, but um I do um wish him well

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and that's why he is not here today.

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» Sense his regrets. Um,

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all right. Um, we're at the budget

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retreat for the banial budget

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for 2027

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preliminary comments and I'm going to

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also have the chair of our finance

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committee um do so um council member

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huge integral part in the development of

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the budget so far. Um, this meeting is

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being recorded. So, I hope that those

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who can't be here and even those who are

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here um can look back at it and um and

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doing because transparency is incredibly

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[clears throat] issue. And I want to at

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the outset thank uh

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um the the kind of following

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groups of people. Um first the staff who

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are here today. Um their staff. Um, I

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do hopefully a lot of heavy lifting

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boards and commissions who've had uh big

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um want to ask or mention members of the

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public who um we'll get to that in just

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important role in this and indeed all

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already are in [snorts]

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[clears throat] And I do want to single

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um Diana Langley for leading the staff

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charge on this and uh she and her staff

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um a chunk of this meeting. Um want to

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make sort of four points. Um,

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one is that one of the most important

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things a city council and this city

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council does under the charter

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is passing a balanced budget.

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What does that involve? It involves

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making policy choices

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and setting the spending priorities of

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the city for um the next two years. We

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do a bianial budget. We will revisit it

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next year and indeed we'll revisit it

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throughout the year on for certain

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we're going to make those policy choices

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and set spending priorities that we

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believe reflect and balance the values

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that the community that we serve,

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the voting public and those

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yet or can't vote at all um

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uh embody and

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are collaborating in this process and I

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have enumerated some of the folks who

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collaborate and are collaborating ating

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um and making those choices and those

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decisions. That's why you call it a

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budget process.

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the second um thing I think to know in

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all of this is that every municipality

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in Colorado, probably across the country

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and most other governments, including

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our state government particularly, are

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undergoing incredible

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maybe metamorphic

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financial pressures.

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and it makes this job all the more

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important and difficult.

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to overstate it. Um but I I do think

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that's a really important lens through

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which we all have to um understand this.

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have um what I consider to be um the

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ability to stand on the shoulders of a

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lot of people, staff,

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who have made really terrific choices,

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um often conservative choices

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to uh protect protect the city

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and bring us to what we're going to do

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today. Um so while um these are tough

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decision decisions today, there are many

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communities that are really in uh much

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more difficult situations than we are

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and I think that's important.

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important points in which or at which

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the public has input

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formally in meetings and so forth. And

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of course, the public is always willing

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or able to send us emails, contact us um

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particular some elements of the capital

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improvement budget that we may um decide

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that. Um so those are the points I want

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discussion. But um we have the benefit

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of a terrific finance committee

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supported by staff uh writer Bailey,

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finance director and many others. Um

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um the chair uh Dietrich Hefner

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uh to the left of me to the right on

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from your point of view probably. And um

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to council member Hefner to make a few

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the way they're seeing that and um he's

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seeing it as a finance year. So council

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» Thank you mayor. Uh [clears throat] I'll

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try and be brief. The finance committee

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has um worked hard to date on um the

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in the retreat. I know many of you were

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July 2nd um and and got at least a taste

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of some of the issues that are going to

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I think the thing I want to underline

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that the the mayor talked about is we

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are in a much better position in many

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ways than a lot of neighboring

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jurisdictions, the state government, the

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county, um take take your pick, who are

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decisions that are that are much harder

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than the ones we're facing in terms of,

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you know, not having the money to

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continue the programs they've already

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got. Um we we are fortunate in in the

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sense of um

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we haven't gotten ourselves into that

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particular situation. I think everyone

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deserves a lot of credit for the the

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prudent decision-m that got us there.

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Nevertheless, we face all of the same

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cost pressures as everybody else, which

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we've heard a lot about. Um that costs

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of lots of things are going up faster uh

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than city revenue. And if we are not if

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we don't continue to be diligent and

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prudent and responsible uh we could very

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easily find ourselves in a situation

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where there isn't for example enough

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general fund money to cover all the

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things the general fund needs to cover

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or not enough capital fund money to

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undertake the the sort of core capital

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projects we need to do. Um, you know, I

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think this this has been and will be

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described as a transitional budget and a

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a sort of bridge from the way we have

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been doing things toward potentially a

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new way of doing things. I hope we can

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all think about that as we talk about

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the long list of decisions in front of

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something of an inflection point. Um,

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point as some of our neighbors. So there

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there's both a challenge but an

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me with that I'll turn it over to staff.

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I think there may be a number of people

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who are going to have some part of the

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the council will be weighing in at

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different parts and I'll uh be kind of

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shephering that discussion, but the

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staff is going to be shephering us

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through um some preliminary thoughts and

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hard um analyzed facts and suggestions

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and priorities and decisions for us. So

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» All right, thank you. Thank you council

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for joining us today. I would like to uh

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reiterate the gratitude for staff. Um to

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get to this point is a culmination of

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months worth of work of all of the

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departments and really appreciate all of

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the time and effort that you've put into

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this. Also want to thank the finance

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committee uh council for your support to

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this point and then also the advisory

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boards for submitting their requests as

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well. Um, as council member Hefner

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noted, we are entering transitional

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budget years. As we were starting to

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prepare for um, this workshop, you know,

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we realized all the things that are in

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transition. We while we will adopt a

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balanced budget, we do have a structural

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issue with our ongoing budget. And when

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you look at the um, the models, they

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will show that costs continue to exceed

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revenues. So the transitional piece of

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this is setting the foundation to

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understand where we are at as a city

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with the community to understand the

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services that we provide the um

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constraints that we have and then

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opportunities to move forward. Also

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there are opportunities to increase

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revenues through evaluations of fees um

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perhaps a technology fee um plant check

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and inspection fee and then also

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reviewing credit card fees. And then um

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there's impacts to be determined as we

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have the adoption of the pros guide book

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which was a huge um input from the

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public. You'll see requests for not only

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maintaining existing amenities but new

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amenities. How do we fit that into the

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long-term plan adoption of the comp plan

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which is very exciting that will result

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in uh development that is not factored

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into this budget. And then looking at

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cost allocations and that's a

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behind-the-scenes item that we do um not

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only cost allocation of the um internal

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divisions in terms of finance, IT and HR

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across the entire organization but then

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also how staff are allocated amongst the

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funds and as um finance has pulled back

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the curtain on some of these positions,

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we have found that they are not

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allocated appropriately. And so we need

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to evaluate that and go through. And

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then finally, you know, if you look at

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the current budget, there are a lot of

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KPIs and I understand why they're in the

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budget. As we move forward in this next

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two-year cycle, we would really like to

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evaluate the KPIs and make sure that

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they are meaningful and that they

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actually tell a story and that they um

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provide value. Um versus right now it's

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more so there are a long list in the

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budget that are occasionally referred

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to. Next slide, please.

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So, just looking at what this is a brief

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snapshot of what's occurred within the

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last year or what we're currently

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working on. Um, again, this list is

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small compared to what the entire city

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staff have completed, but these are um

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some may be considered very small in

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terms of RV dump station, but it has a

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big impact on the public. And then we

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have very large the comp plan adoption.

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And so, uh, you know, kudos to staff for

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all of these items. What this really

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reflects is that, um, staff does not

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just sit there and stay with status quo.

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There's constantly how can we improve,

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how can we better our processes, and we

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always receive feedback that we need to.

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And so, we take that in and evaluate

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what we can do. So, again, thank you.

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And I'm going to transition this to

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Ryder.

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» Thank you.

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Um, thank you all for attending. I'd

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like to thank our city department heads

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and their staff for their hard work and

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input so far in this process. Takes a

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village. I'd also like to acknowledge

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the outstanding work of Mahar Mansurati,

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financial analyst, who's been

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instrumental in compiling and analyzing

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the budget to date, and our deputy

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finance director, Mr. James Frank, who's

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embarking on his initial budget journey

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with the city. I'd be amiss not to

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recognize also my finance team, many of

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which are sitting behind me, our tax

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team, Travis, Hope, Melissa, and Jess,

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as well as our accounting team, Jordan,

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uh, Kylie, Ally, Julie, and Jen. They're

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fabulous. I really appreciate all the

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support they do for me and my team and

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for the organization. I'd like to start

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with the purpose of today's budget

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meeting and what success looks like.

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You're going to be presented with a lot

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of information today, a lot of

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information and details. It's meant to

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be interactive. Along the way, we'll be

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seeking your direction at council

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decision points. To help us along with

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that process, we have a multi-pager

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handout for you to follow along as well.

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So, let's set the stage. Um, we'll start

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today's presentation off going over the

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budget process in the calendar, budget

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guidelines, financial policies,

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council's priorities, city manager

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priorities, some key considerations,

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what we're seeing in other communities,

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fiscal and policy issues with potential

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significant impacts, and council

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decision points. Then we're going to hop

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right into it for long-term financial

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forecasts and initial focus areas of

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budget development. The general fund,

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the parks fund, open space fund, and the

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golf fund. Then we'll touch on some

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major revenue and personnel and benefit

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expenditure assumptions.

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We'll go over the city manager's

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recommended adjustments. This includes

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both personnel and operational.

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will revisit fiscal and policy issues

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with significant impacts. As mentioned,

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expense growth continues to outpace our

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revenue growth. The recreation debt mill

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levy, temporary credit expiring and

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resetting to align with uh annual debt

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payments. I will not spend that much

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time on the historic preservation tax

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after last night's council meeting, but

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I dock of these materials before last

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night. We'll spend some time on board

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and commission requests. LSAB, a

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sustainability, sustainability advisory

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board, cultural advisory board, open

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space advisory board, recreation

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advisory board, and the historical

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museum advisory board. And at the end,

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we'll talk about our preliminary CIP.

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So, the calendar, a lot of good work has

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been done to date. March through May, we

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compiled capital requests, material

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operational requests and personnel

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expansion requests. May through June,

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the department 2027-28 operational

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budget was developed and refined by

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department heads. Preliminary revenue

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estimates were also prepared. June and

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July, finance and CMO staff consolidated

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those inputs and developed the materials

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you have today.

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Earlier this month, we gave the finance

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committee a budget retreat preview of

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this meeting.

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Here we are today in council chambers uh

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for the 2728 budget retreat. Looking

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forward um depending on the progress

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made today, I feel it's very likely

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we'll have a another meeting engaging

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the entire council to do further CIP

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revi refinement and development. At the

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August 20th finance committee meeting,

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we'll have a budget retreat recap and

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additional CIP discussion. All targeting

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Tuesday, September 1st council meeting

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for the city manager's recommended

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budget. September to October, we'll have

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working sessions as necessary. Tuesday,

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October 20th will be our public hearing,

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um the city manager's final budget

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presentation with adoption slated for

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Monday, November 2nd.

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Budget guidelines. The city is currently

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developing its 202728 bianual budget and

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six-year capital improvement plan. This

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is a heavy lift. The budget process aims

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to allocate resources in alignment with

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our priorities. We've talked about a

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balanced budget. I'd like to add on to

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structurally balanced. What this means

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is that one-time funding is only to be

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used for one-time expenditures, not

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ongoing funding. Put another way, your

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revenues need to exceed your ongoing

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expenditures.

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Line item adjustments are based upon

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detailed analysis and projections.

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Staffing requests and will include

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detailed and specific information

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defining the need for those positions.

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One thing I've talked a lot with our

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department heads is cost neutrality that

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increases are to be offset by

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commeasurate reductions. What this has

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allowed us to do is prioritize our

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staffing and our obligations. Um,

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and given existing and potential fiscal

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challenges, our community's high level

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of expectation, we do expect the budget

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development process to generate some

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challenging conversations and difficult

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decisions.

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The city's financial policies are posted

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on our department's website and are

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routinely reviewed by the finance

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committee. They were last amended on

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June 16th of this year. The budget is

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developed within this framework. The

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financial policies that have a direct

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impact on budget are asterisks on this

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chart, reserves, revenues, and our

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operating budget policies.

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This budget aims to align your council

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priorities with our resources, economic

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vitality, core services, safety,

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housing, all within the lens of EDI and

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environmental sustainability.

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Our

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city manager's priorities are to

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prioritize our existing critical

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infrastructure and core functions. What

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this means is public safety in the but

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in the recommended budget. Today you'll

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see market adjustments for police and

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Boulder ODM maintenance of our capital

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investments including technology and

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critical infrastructure and addressing

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the long-term stability of the general

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fund, parks fund, open space fund and

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golf funds. investments in staff with an

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emphasis on retention, training, and

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development. To continuously evaluate

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and implement cost-saving opportunities,

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and operational efficiencies, and to

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evaluate fees and cost allocations where

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appropriate.

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Some key considerations. We are not

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alone. Other cities are going through

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something similar. Lewisville has a high

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quality of life and delivers a high

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level of service. This city has taken on

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truly impressive and aspirational work.

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We just need to balance those with our

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resources. There are pathways through

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this. We are seeking your guidance on

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proposed pathways forward and we will

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have a balanced budget for adoption this

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fall.

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This slide uh neighboring communities

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aims to set some context. Here are

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somehat of some of what our neighboring

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communities are experiencing as they

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develop their budgets. Um many of which

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are just entering the budget process.

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Staff will continue to monitor what's

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going on in our region. I would like to

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00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,440
highlight and applaud the fiscal

552
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:33,039
discipline of your council and prior

553
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,240
councils which have placed this city in

554
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,240
a better position than some

555
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,520
fiscal policy issues and significant

556
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,279
impacts. Again, addressing the general

557
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,919
park and golf funds structural

558
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:50,399
imbalances. The general trend of expense

559
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:52,480
growth outpacing our revenue growth with

560
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:55,200
projected slowing or flattening of sales

561
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,080
and use and also property tax revenues.

562
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,919
our personnel costs and retention,

563
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,000
suspension of the temporary credit of

564
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:04,960
the rec center debt mill levy to align

565
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,960
with our annual debt service payments,

566
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,200
service level alignments as necessary,

567
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,960
and prioritizing our capital investments

568
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,960
to balance our CIP. We will be

569
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,080
revisiting this throughout and at the

570
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,559
end of today's presentation.

571
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,159
Council decision points. This slide aims

572
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,159
to put you on notice of council

573
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:24,240
direction sought. And again, you can

574
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:26,640
reference the multi-pager that has a

575
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,279
matrix throughout. This will include our

576
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,200
parks fund extend increase the

577
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:35,120
conservation trust fund transfer for

578
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:37,760
park operations beyond 2028 in models.

579
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Increasing general fund subsidy and or

580
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,880
service level reductions. The open space

581
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,919
fund revisiting the acquisition reserve

582
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,760
percentage set aside. The golf fund

583
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:49,840
continued to engage the recreation

584
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,840
advisory board. [clears throat] We'll go

585
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,480
over the city manager's operational and

586
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,039
personnel recommended adjustments,

587
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,679
service level reductions,

588
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:02,640
the rec center debt fund, temporary mill

589
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:04,080
le mill levy credit, the historic

590
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,519
preservation fund we will not spend much

591
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,519
time on, and boards and commission

592
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,519
requests.

593
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Let's hop right into it.

594
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,640
Initial areas of budget focus. Over the

595
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,640
next few slides, we will review the

596
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,559
city's major funds. the general fund,

597
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,960
parks fund, open space, golf,

598
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,559
recreation, and consolidated utilities.

599
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,960
The capital fund will be later in the

600
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:30,640
presentation. But before we do, um, how

601
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,320
are they developed? The long-term

602
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,720
financial forecast for major funds are

603
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,000
developed using 2025 actuals to arrive

604
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,080
at our beginning fund balances. 2026

605
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,559
current year adjusted or revised budget

606
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:46,240
and in some instances projections, our

607
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:47,919
27 and 28 requested budgets. Turnback is

608
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200
utilized for certain funds in model

609
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:52,080
years. I'll spend a little more time on

610
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,760
that. Um projections and assumptions may

611
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,320
be updated throughout the budget

612
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,159
development process. I would like to uh

613
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,440
remind folks unlike at the budget

614
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:02,559
retreat preview why I did not have

615
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,320
everything modeled at this time all 2027

616
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:08,039
city manager recommended adjustments are

617
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,039
reflected in the models.

618
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,559
So before we get into the the charts, a

619
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,120
few more slides. Um a few additional

620
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,279
inputs worth considering. While your

621
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,200
council adopts total appropriations, our

622
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,279
long-term forecasts incorporate

623
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,120
operational turnback. This is often

624
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:28,320
largely driven by salary savings or

625
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,840
vacancies. Um but could be mater uh but

626
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,840
also could include materials or

627
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,320
supplying supply line items coming in

628
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,640
under budget. These savings are taken

629
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,240
into consideration and greatly impact

630
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,240
the following forecasts.

631
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Inter fund transfers for 2027. These are

632
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:50,440
increased over 2020 2026's transfers by

633
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
4.2%.

634
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,039
These transfers are codified in the city

635
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,519
financial policies. I'll run through

636
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,519
this real fast.

637
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,000
The general fund transfers out 1.1

638
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,800
million to the parks fund. It transfers

639
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:14,079
out 140,000 to the cemetery fund and

640
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,879
nearly 1.5 million to the recreation

641
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,720
fund. The cemetery perpetual fund or

642
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:20,079
endowment fund makes a transfer of its

643
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:22,079
interest earned to the cemetery

644
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,800
operations fund. The historic

645
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,280
preservation fund transfers 230,000 to

646
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,440
the general fund for museum operations.

647
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,359
This this takes into account the

648
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
existing percentage, not any future

649
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:35,040
percentages

650
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,440
depending on the outcome of a future tax

651
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,760
measure. The capital projects fund

652
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,040
transfers 174,000 to the recreation

653
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,119
fund. This supports capital

654
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,879
expenditures. And we'll talk about this

655
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,440
more later, but the conservation trust

656
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:50,240
lottery fund transfers $100,000 to the

657
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,079
parks fund for park operations.

658
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,280
All these transfers are in the model.

659
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,440
Looking at a two-year budget, we're

660
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,720
looking at 2028. Here are all those same

661
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,720
transfers again increased by 3%.

662
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,760
All right, beginning with the general

663
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,200
fund. Now, before I get into the

664
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,359
numbers, I'd like to touch on the

665
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,760
general fund a little bit. This is where

666
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:13,680
your primary governmental activity

667
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,240
occurs. It is the city's largest

668
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,160
operating fund. It's where public safety

669
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,480
lives, community development, and

670
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,280
building safety, cultural services,

671
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,560
including our library, museum, and arts,

672
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,640
sustainability, resiliency, our clerk,

673
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,599
our legal team,

674
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,119
CMO, and portions of HR, IT, and

675
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,400
finance.

676
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,800
And as I've just mentioned with the

677
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,960
transfer slides, significant support of

678
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,599
parks, wreck, and cemetery via those

679
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,000
transfers. This fund is the core of a

680
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:47,119
lot of what your government does. It's

681
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,359
primarily funded by tax revenue, sales,

682
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,359
and property tax, and to a lesser

683
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:54,640
degree, building and permit fees, the

684
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:58,720
superior library IGA, Excel, and Comcast

685
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,960
franchise fees, just to name a few.

686
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:05,680
So general fund forecasted revenues for

687
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:08,079
2027 are 28.7 million for 2028 29.6

688
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,920
million. The general fund forecasted

689
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:15,359
expenses in 27 29.2 million 30.2 million

690
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:19,359
in 2028. These forecasted expenses do

691
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:22,320
include 250,000 in one time in 2027 and

692
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:23,440
40,000 in onetime expenses in 2028. I

693
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,440
touched on turnback a little bit

694
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,599
earlier. These models, those forecasted

695
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,400
expenses do take into consideration

696
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:32,880
operational turnback of approximately

697
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,720
1.5 million.

698
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,800
Put another way, our operational gap

699
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:42,400
gaps at this time are approximately

700
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:45,839
200,000 for 2027 and 600,000 in 2028.

701
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:49,040
These models include approximately 1.5

702
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:51,760
uh additional FTEES, a piece of a civil

703
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,000
engineer 12, a piece of an operations

704
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,480
technician, a portion of a construction

705
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,359
and storm water inspector, and a portion

706
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,280
of the PROS deputy director. These are

707
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:05,720
staff's preliminary efforts and are not

708
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,720
the city manager's recommended budget.

709
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,359
You will be seeing a few charts like

710
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:15,160
this one today. So let me explain by

711
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,160
what these bars mean.

712
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:20,160
The blue bars are your revenues pro

713
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,440
comprised of a lot of different revenue

714
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,839
sources but primarily sales and prop uh

715
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,359
property taxes. Your red bar are your

716
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:29,440
expenses.

717
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:31,760
The green bar is the ending fund balance

718
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,920
for that year.

719
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,880
The orange line across the bottom is the

720
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,960
15% operate minimum operating reserve

721
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,400
set by financial policies. The dotted

722
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,960
line is a 25% minimum target operational

723
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,800
reserve.

724
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,480
So focusing in on 2027 and 2028, you'll

725
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,800
see visually demonstrated what I

726
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:57,520
mentioned on the prior slide. Ongoing

727
00:37:52,800 --> 00:38:00,560
revenues in 2027 are 28.7 million, about

728
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,079
$200,000 short of ongoing expenses in

729
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,359
2027.

730
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:07,119
This is our current structural gap.

731
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:09,440
Note that from the budget retreat

732
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,359
preview to today, staff has modeled all

733
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,599
city manager recommendations, which has

734
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:17,280
widened this gap. Um, we'll speak on

735
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:20,240
this later. In 2028, our operating

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,880
revenues are 29.6 million, our ongoing

737
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,280
expenses of 30.2 million, a structural

738
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,800
gap again of 600,000.

739
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640
And you'll note if you don't address

740
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:33,839
this structural gap in balance

741
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:36,320
immediately, it compounds over time.

742
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:38,400
You also note that throughout the

743
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,440
forecast, we are anticipated to remain

744
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:45,400
above our minimum and target reserves

745
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,400
goals throughout this model.

746
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:51,280
So important to note that staff will

747
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,520
continue to refine forecasts throughout

748
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,280
this process that the imper information

749
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,440
presented today includes assumptions of

750
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,440
revenues and expenditure growth. This

751
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,760
could mean evaluating things such as the

752
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,160
wind tail deductible buy down or other

753
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,760
cost-saving opportunities, potentially

754
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,920
reallocating resources to higher

755
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,200
priorities, which would likely include

756
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,440
programmatic or service level

757
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,839
reductions. We may assess vacant

758
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,359
positions and city policies. We will

759
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:17,520
continuously evaluate cost setting

760
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:19,200
opportunities and efficiencies. We will

761
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
evaluate fee recovery and cost

762
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,800
allocations. And this all may be

763
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,800
impacted by future development and

764
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,800
policies.

765
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,160
I will continue on to the parks fund,

766
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,839
our second fund of initial area focus.

767
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,720
Our parks department is widely

768
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:41,680
recognized as top tier, safe, clean, and

769
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,839
extremely well-maintained. Credit to our

770
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,880
current superintendent, Chris Davis,

771
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:47,440
Director Blackmore, and their

772
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,440
extraordinary staff. The department is

773
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,119
nearly kappa accredited which is an

774
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,839
incredible accomplishment nationwide

775
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:56,960
with less than 2% of parks departments

776
00:39:53,839 --> 00:40:01,200
receiving such an honor. Our parks

777
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:03,680
forecasted revenues for 2027 are 29.9 20

778
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,800
uh 2.9 million.

779
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Same in 2028. Our forecasted expenses in

780
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:13,599
2027 are 2.9 and 3.0 3.0 million in

781
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,240
2028.

782
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:18,160
Again, this does our forecast expenses

783
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,720
takes into consideration operational

784
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,720
turnback of nearly $200,000.

785
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:26,000
Our preliminary operational gaps within

786
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:29,520
this fund are 40,000 in 2027 and about

787
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,920
85,000 in 2028. Future needs and some

788
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,440
current are not funded, including front

789
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,599
center maintenance, red tail

790
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,240
development, and as city manager Langley

791
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:40,560
mentioned, our PROS long-term plan. A

792
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,000
reminder that future capital parks

793
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,839
expenditures are not modeled in this

794
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,280
fund. There are some personnel

795
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:47,280
recommended changes. A partial

796
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,880
allocation of the PROS deputy director.

797
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,440
This has been offset by a reduction in

798
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,280
variable hours. This reflects staff's

799
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,480
preliminary efforts and is not the

800
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,480
recommended budget at this time.

801
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,599
So, here is the park's long-term

802
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:03,599
financial forecast.

803
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,040
Within the blue bar and at your request,

804
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:09,359
we have split out tax revenue from the

805
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,040
general fund ongoing transfer between

806
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:13,760
the deep blue and the slightly lighter

807
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,760
blue. Um, also you can see a top the

808
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,839
lightest of blues is a conservation

809
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,880
trust fund transfer. While nearly

810
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:22,400
structurally balanced in 2027 28, the

811
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,280
differences that were previously noted

812
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,319
on the former slide, staff has extended

813
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,240
the CTF transfer throughout this model.

814
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:32,160
This is a council decision point. So,

815
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:35,480
let me pivot briefly to the conservation

816
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,480
trust fund.

817
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Here is a summary of what the

818
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:42,640
conservation trust fund is paying for

819
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,280
from 2024 through 2032, which covers

820
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,440
playgrounds, wayfinding, and signs for

821
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,920
parks and open space. And as mentioned,

822
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,160
beginning in 2026, the conservation

823
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,040
trust fund transfer uh supports

824
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,400
approximately 3% of park operations.

825
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,599
This fund brings in approximately

826
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,599
$250,000 annually, and notably, the

827
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:05,079
playground replacements are tapering off

828
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,079
in out years.

829
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,720
Here's that same information visually

830
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,280
demonstrated. I just like to again blue

831
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:15,119
are revenues, red are expenses. I'd like

832
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,480
to call out the bright pink at top is

833
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:21,599
the $100,000 transfer to the parks fund

834
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,440
for operations. Um you'll note there

835
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,200
still is projected to have a balance

836
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,599
approximately 200,000 at the end of the

837
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,599
model in 2032.

838
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:32,800
So, as you noted, staff extended the

839
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:36,079
conservation trust fund for park

840
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,560
operations beyond 2028 in modeling. It

841
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:41,760
was kept at 100,000 through 2032, where

842
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,319
previously it's been uh discussed 2026

843
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,839
through 2028. It's worth noting the

844
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:47,599
potential impacts to the capital fund

845
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:49,680
and other divisions that rely upon this

846
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:52,800
fund. So, this is our first council

847
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,480
policy direction uh point.

848
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,800
Would you like us to consider extending

849
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,280
or increasing the CTF transfer for park

850
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,200
operations beyond 2028?

851
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,839
We could potentially increase the annual

852
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,760
transfer beyond inflation, annual

853
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:08,240
general fund transfer beyond inflation

854
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,000
to the extent feasible possible. I will

855
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,640
say today that is not possible in our

856
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,119
current projections

857
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,720
and or service level adjustments. We

858
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,319
could consider aligning variable

859
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,480
personnel expenses with the historical

860
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:23,839
trends.

861
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,000
So at that at this point I will pause um

862
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:28,000
and open it up for some council

863
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,000
direction discussion on this decision

864
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
point.

865
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:39,599
» Um thank you. Um first of all just a

866
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:41,359
question and it's more for um the

867
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,119
um folks who are watching this who may

868
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:45,280
not be as familiar with budgeting. Can

869
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:47,599
you describe turn back just to make sure

870
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,440
people we may have you may have covered

871
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:52,960
it. You've certainly talked about it.

872
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,119
It's a concept that the average person

873
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,160
sometimes doesn't know,

874
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:00,319
» Of course. So, um, where I came from,

875
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,400
mayor, turnback was often discussed as

876
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:03,839
salary savings, just because you would

877
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,359
have staff, you would have vacancies,

878
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:06,720
and when you had vacancies, it took a

879
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:09,280
little time to rehire and fill that

880
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,200
position. So operational turnback kind

881
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,200
of builds upon salary savings and looks

882
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,720
to all of your operational accounts

883
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,560
including perhaps your um your paper

884
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:21,295
budget came in under and so that would

885
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,640
be returned to the general fund um

886
00:44:21,295 --> 00:44:26,000
[clears throat] returned to that fund.

887
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,079
Your council um adopts annual budgets so

888
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,800
any unexpended appropriations funding

889
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:33,920
would fall to the fund balance. um your

890
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,480
council adopts appropriations and what

891
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,480
we do in our modeling to really refine

892
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,720
to finetune where we're headed. We do

893
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,560
take into consideration those

894
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:45,520
non-expenses, those things that may not

895
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,560
occur. So really, it's a way for us to

896
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:51,200
um adopt a budget, but then refine our

897
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,760
projections as sharply as we can,

898
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,400
knowing that there will be some expenses

899
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,400
that just don't occur.

900
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:04,480
» Thanks. um what we have been given which

901
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:08,720
is a nice kind of little bit of a cheat

902
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:13,280
sheet from staff on council decision

903
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:16,079
points um and on parks wreck and open

904
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,000
space which are different funds I maybe

905
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:21,200
what we ought to start with is the parks

906
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:26,240
fund it looks like from the list that

907
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:28,640
there are three decision points um one

908
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:31,040
um extending you know it's on the the

909
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,560
slide here, but extending or increasing

910
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:37,119
the CTF transfer parts operations,

911
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,119
increasing annual general fund transfer

912
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:44,000
and uh service level adjustments. Um, I

913
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:46,240
wanted to ask council if based on their

914
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:51,280
review of the budget materials, there

915
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:53,760
any other decisions that um they think

916
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,760
we ought to be making in addition to

917
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,760
those.

918
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,720
All right.

919
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:04,160
Seeing none.

920
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:07,599
» Go ahead, council member.

921
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:10,240
» No, no, just on parks fund.

922
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:13,839
» Yeah, we're just doing this one one bite

923
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:16,839
at a time. Rather large bites, but yeah.

924
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:16,839
Um,

925
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:22,400
any any thoughts initially?

926
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:26,480
» Yes, Council Member Hefner.

927
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,160
» Yeah. So, um, Director Bailey, if you

928
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,280
could flip back to the general fund for

929
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,319
a minute because this is this is

930
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,000
relevant to the general fund transfer.

931
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:37,920
I just want to talk briefly about one

932
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,480
thing I saw in the CIPs, which is moving

933
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,640
about $500,000 a year of software

934
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,440
expense that currently lives in the

935
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,040
general fund into the capital fund.

936
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,599
um which obviously we need to pay for

937
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,640
that expense from somewhere. But I

938
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:54,960
assume this graph shows that 500k moved

939
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,440
out already and that if it's still lived

940
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,960
in the general fund, we'd see the gap

941
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,000
increase by

942
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,880
» Half a million dollars.

943
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,119
I believe your question is did we reduce

944
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,440
our software expense in the general fund

945
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:11,119
to account for the request in the

946
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,760
capital fund. We have not done that to

947
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,160
this point.

948
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,760
» Okay.

949
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,160
» It's still in this chart. We are

950
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,040
currently refining exactly what software

951
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,800
will will extend into the future. So

952
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,720
I've not accounted for that and I don't

953
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,240
want to say it's double counted because

954
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,599
we're still working through all the

955
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,760
softwares that will be required.

956
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:29,680
» So it's it's still showing up here and

957
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,760
it's not showing up yet in the chart for

958
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,760
the capital fund. It

959
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,000
» Is showing up in both charts, but I I

960
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,880
think my point is we may need more than

961
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:42,000
$500,000 for for software.

962
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,119
» Okay. So this Okay, I think I'm with

963
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
you.

964
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,200
back to parks.

965
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,599
Um, sorry, I have I have a couple more

966
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,440
things. Um,

967
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:54,480
so I think one thing we talked about for

968
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,119
the conservation trust fund on finance

969
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,839
is that that fund does other parks

970
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:02,880
related work, mainly playground

971
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:04,880
replacements. And so I think the thing

972
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,319
that had been the recommendation on

973
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:11,359
finance was what is the amount we can

974
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,359
transfer out of conservation trust

975
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:15,200
that leaves enough money behind to

976
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:17,359
continue to pay for the playground

977
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,280
program

978
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:23,359
and I don't know if there's an answer on

979
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:25,359
that or not. Um I will maybe turn over

980
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:27,520
to Adam or director Blackbird to speak

981
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:29,760
to the specificity but we have modeled

982
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,680
the requests within the CIP program and

983
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,319
we have allocated those costs between

984
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,079
those both funds. So I would say the

985
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:38,319
demonstrated need is reflected in these

986
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,480
models to be funded by the capital fund

987
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:42,960
and the conservation trust fund as

988
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,640
presented today.

989
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,800
» So my question is a little bit different

990
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:50,079
though. So on that slide we're talking

991
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,240
about a 100k transfer and I think the

992
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,960
question posed by finance is what is the

993
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:57,839
dollar amount of transfer that can come

994
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,400
out of conservation trust without

995
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:04,280
prejudicing the playground stuff that

996
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,280
gets financed out of there.

997
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,359
» I think that's dependent upon what you

998
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,559
want the playground replacement pro

999
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,520
process to look like.

1000
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,119
» Yeah. Um, you know, we have some models

1001
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,480
that you're not seeing today that if

1002
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:21,280
there is a desire to use CT increase the

1003
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,040
CTF transfer into park ops, what that

1004
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,960
does to the playground replacement

1005
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,160
depreciation schedule. Um, so you know,

1006
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,800
outside of 2027,

1007
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:35,680
which the majority of that playground

1008
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,520
money is going to potentially be needed

1009
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,839
to do community park the way we would

1010
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,240
want to do community park. Once you get

1011
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:45,040
28 and beyond,

1012
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,880
it's kind of all fair game. Um, it's

1013
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,960
just a matter of whether we want to fund

1014
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,280
park operations or expedite the

1015
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,720
replacement of the playgrounds. Um once

1016
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,960
we get through a community all of the

1017
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,280
playgrounds will have been replaced with

1018
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,640
they'll be in their existing lifespan.

1019
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,800
So if we want to defer you know a park

1020
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,040
playground that we had depreciation and

1021
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,200
replacement at 10 years to 12 years for

1022
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,640
example like a net brand we could

1023
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,359
certainly do that and then you could use

1024
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,520
the entirety of the playground money for

1025
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:17,839
a separate purpose in say 2028

1026
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,680
if that makes sense. and and so what are

1027
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:25,200
what are the sort of 28 and onward

1028
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,280
expenses in in the playground here?

1029
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:31,040
» So what you're seeing here is beginning

1030
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:34,559
back again with a net brand in 2028.

1031
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,960
This is a percentage assistance to the

1032
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:40,480
playground replacement money that's also

1033
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,920
out of the capital fund for I have the

1034
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,839
list. It's a net brand cowboy pirates

1035
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:50,000
and then potentially allocated money for

1036
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:52,559
a new park 203132

1037
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,800
based on how things evolve with red tail

1038
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,880
or some other placeholder property.

1039
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,960
» But you're saying we may not need to we

1040
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,480
may not need to do those projects.

1041
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,280
» Correct. There's there's a way that we

1042
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,520
could not do if desired by council all

1043
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,680
five of those parks. We could

1044
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,839
consolidate that down to only doing two

1045
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,800
playgrounds over the next six years.

1046
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:11,760
Okay.

1047
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,680
» And transfer that.

1048
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,160
» But even if we do this program, there's

1049
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,760
still enough to move 100K every year.

1050
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,280
It's it's not an issue.

1051
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,720
» Yep. No, it's already been modeled and

1052
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,319
and we're fine with the playground

1053
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,920
replacements as currently stated with

1054
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:26,920
the 100,000 coming out.

1055
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,920
» Okay.

1056
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,880
» I I guess my question back then would be

1057
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,119
should it be more than 100,000 which

1058
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,680
doesn't quite cover the gap. I mean

1059
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:41,440
that's a nice round number.

1060
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:45,280
you pull will you pull up the chart? Um

1061
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,440
chair or um council member Hefner, you

1062
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,200
could you could extend and increase. I

1063
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,280
think there's a cap though. Um if you

1064
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,880
look, we have if you go to the uh the

1065
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,680
conservation trust fund, you could see

1066
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,359
through 2032 having $200,000 in the

1067
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,640
bank, you could potentially increase it

1068
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:03,280
by $25,000 and still have a solvent

1069
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,359
fund. So there is a little room there.

1070
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Um, but there is a ceiling because only

1071
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:08,800
200 to 250,000 calls in every year. So,

1072
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,800
if you're looking to potentially

1073
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,040
increase it, you could probably go to

1074
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,200
125 and then that green bar on the far

1075
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,200
right would be closer to zero than is to

1076
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,200
200,000.

1077
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,400
» Does that answer your question?

1078
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,680
» No, that that's helpful.

1079
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,280
» So, there's a there's a little more

1080
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,119
headroom, but not a lot.

1081
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,880
» Correct.

1082
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:31,839
But if we kick out some of the parks

1083
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,680
projects that director Blackmore just

1084
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:36,000
described, there could be maybe we get

1085
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:39,000
to 150.

1086
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,000
» Correct.

1087
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:43,280
» When you say kick out,

1088
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,920
do you mean

1089
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,559
» Defer?

1090
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,520
» Defer.

1091
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:49,119
» Yes.

1092
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,960
» Okay. Rather than reduce

1093
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,240
um any given

1094
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,520
» Yeah. I mean, I assume there's there

1095
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,359
comes a point where you have to

1096
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,599
undertake those projects. Yep.

1097
00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:00,480
» Um, but it would be delaying them

1098
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,000
further into the future.

1099
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,040
» Uh, director, did you have something to

1100
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,680
add?

1101
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:10,720
» I would just add maybe a staff opinion

1102
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,720
that from a replacement

1103
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:15,920
and expectations of the community as

1104
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:18,720
terms of quality and fresh appeal of the

1105
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,760
investment of this money. um you know

1106
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:25,680
staff would prefer

1107
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,680
a deferment or a delay to ensure an

1108
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,520
appropriate amount of funding per

1109
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:34,319
project versus a reduction in scope if

1110
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,160
that makes sense.

1111
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:40,960
» I appreciate that. One one of the things

1112
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:44,079
I guess I would say and this is true

1113
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:49,280
I think across the budget is there's

1114
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:54,640
always trade-offs. Um, one tradeoff, um,

1115
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:59,040
certainly is doing things to a lower,

1116
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:02,079
uh, service level or a cheaper for lack

1117
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,280
of a better termament, but um, a cheaper

1118
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:08,720
product or a less um, exemplary product

1119
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:12,079
that perhaps the the city

1120
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:15,760
residents would like. And I think, you

1121
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:20,079
know, my general view is that we ought

1122
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:23,599
to do fewer things very well

1123
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:26,400
uh rather than a bunch of things in a

1124
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:28,720
mediocre way. It's not always that kind

1125
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,599
of trade-off, but I appreciate I think

1126
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:34,559
that's consistent with that kind of at

1127
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:37,040
least in that area kind of thing. So,

1128
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:40,400
yes, Council Member Heather.

1129
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:44,800
» Yeah, I I agree. And I guess the the

1130
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:48,640
suggestion I would make on this topic is

1131
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:51,040
um you know give the direction to defer

1132
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,319
playground projects to the extent sort

1133
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,720
of that's reasonable and use that

1134
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:58,800
savings to maximize

1135
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:02,440
the amount of the transfer from

1136
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,440
conservation trust.

1137
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:08,000
» Are you suggesting a particular amount

1138
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,920
of transfer?

1139
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,480
No, I mean I it would be nice to have it

1140
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,920
be more than this. Um, but I think

1141
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,200
whatever we can squeeze by pushing off,

1142
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,280
you know, look, I don't think any of us

1143
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,200
want unsafe playgrounds or falling apart

1144
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,440
playgrounds. But if it's mainly an

1145
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,839
aesthetic concern

1146
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:29,520
um and we can ek out three or four or

1147
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,200
five more years from a aging playground,

1148
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,400
I would rather take that money and spend

1149
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:37,040
it today on operations and maintenance

1150
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,280
that really is unavoidable that if we

1151
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,680
stop doing it will be quite noticeable

1152
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,400
and then try and stage out the

1153
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,359
playground replacements um space them

1154
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,920
out a little farther than we have been.

1155
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:52,400
I'm going to do as we go through this

1156
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,760
quite a few kind of straw holes. Um what

1157
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,559
we often do is a thumbs up um for

1158
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,480
direction. U if there's additional

1159
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:03,440
conversation that needs to happen fine

1160
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,240
but um I don't know there are others

1161
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:09,599
have comments but uh are people

1162
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,960
generally in agreement with um that

1163
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:16,799
discussion or that that suggestion?

1164
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:20,400
Council member Coopermanman. Yeah.

1165
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:22,000
Uh first I just wanted to ask um so the

1166
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,880
service level adjustments there's one

1167
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,280
bullet point um

1168
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:30,000
is the implication that [clears throat]

1169
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:35,000
our our variable personnel expenses were

1170
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,000
lower in the past than they are now.

1171
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:39,920
Um, council member, when finance is

1172
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:41,599
reviewing detailed line item analysis,

1173
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,680
we did notice that there was just a

1174
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:45,200
delta between actual expenses in that

1175
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,960
account versus what was budgeted,

1176
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,640
appearing that there may be some room,

1177
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,440
but there's a myriad of reasons why

1178
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,520
there could be some delta between your

1179
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,960
staffing and what you have budgeted.

1180
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,520
» Okay. Um,

1181
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:03,119
I generally speaking, I'm supportive of

1182
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:06,559
Council Member Hefner's um suggestion.

1183
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:08,319
Um, but I would also be interested in

1184
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:11,720
what other service level adjustments

1185
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:11,720
might be proposed.

1186
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,880
» Okay. Any other questions?

1187
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,720
» Yes.

1188
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:23,359
» Um, question and then a few comments.

1189
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:26,079
Will you please refresh my memory of um

1190
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:28,079
how the conservation trust money can be

1191
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:31,359
spent? Does it have to be on parks or

1192
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:34,400
are there other um ways in which that

1193
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:34,400
money can be spent?

1194
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,240
I believe it has to be spent on parks.

1195
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,880
I'd have to go back to the code. I could

1196
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,559
say this city has not spent it on

1197
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,319
anything other than parks. Although now

1198
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,079
that you mentioned open space also is an

1199
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:47,280
eligible expense. So at this city we

1200
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,000
have used them for parks and open

1201
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,680
spaces.

1202
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,559
» Okay. So it's a it's a public lands

1203
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,359
thing. Public lands.

1204
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,799
» Public land and outdoor recreation.

1205
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:59,440
» Okay. That's really helpful. The reason

1206
00:57:54,799 --> 00:58:03,040
why I ask is because um

1207
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,760
you know I am open to the proposal from

1208
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,640
council member Hefner about increasing

1209
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,240
the dollar amount and extending it uh

1210
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,240
beyond what we originally were thinking

1211
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,440
in FICOM.

1212
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,880
But this is now feeling like a long-term

1213
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:22,240
solution to the problem and I'm not

1214
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,559
confident that it is going to be a

1215
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,880
viable long-term solution in itself. So

1216
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,520
I would be interested in some additional

1217
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,599
service level adjustment conversations.

1218
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,599
I feel like there's multiple levers that

1219
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:37,119
need to be pulled here to try to make

1220
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:38,960
this fund um you know more balanced in

1221
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,880
the outy years and be able to sustain

1222
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,160
itself without having to dip into all

1223
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,240
these other funds to make it viable. So

1224
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,920
I I'd like to see more service level

1225
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,559
conversations as well um as it relates

1226
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,960
to this particular fund. And correct me

1227
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,799
if if I'm wrong, if the intention is not

1228
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,559
to have this be the long-term solution,

1229
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:01,359
then I think that discussion needs to be

1230
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:03,440
had. But what's being proposed right now

1231
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:05,520
feels like it is where originally we

1232
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,280
were thinking just a couple years, pull

1233
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,799
more money out of the trust so that we

1234
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,960
can kind of shore things up and then

1235
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:12,640
maybe get our long-term plan going. But

1236
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,119
this feels like we're transitioning to

1237
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,119
long-term here

1238
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,119
» I'll just state my agreement. I I would

1239
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:35,880
appreciate proposals on, you know, what

1240
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,880
else we can do to stretch our dollars.

1241
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,319
» It's fine.

1242
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,240
» It's fine. I I actually think um this

1243
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:00,000
has I think this particular fund has

1244
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,079
greater stability with the income.

1245
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,520
Correct me if I'm wrong. Like we we we

1246
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,559
we're pretty certain of how much we're

1247
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,119
going to get from the lottery trust

1248
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,880
every single year. Correct.

1249
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,359
» Yeah. We've seen minimal variability in

1250
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,599
that.

1251
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:13,119
» Right. And so given that some of our

1252
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:15,200
other sources of income through the

1253
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:17,040
general fund are actually more variable.

1254
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,440
They're less fixed. I actually feel more

1255
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,319
comfortable versus less comfortable

1256
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:25,839
using this as a reliable source to help

1257
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:28,400
maintain our parks. Um, I think m the

1258
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:32,000
parks are um a real treasure in

1259
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Lewisville. Um, I think lowering uh the

1260
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,799
service level would be disappointing and

1261
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:41,440
if using a reliable steady source of

1262
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:44,799
income helps the park staff to maintain

1263
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:47,200
certain levels of service. So, you know,

1264
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:49,440
rather than doing upgrades or making

1265
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,520
bigger changes, I think this is actually

1266
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,079
a good source of income for that because

1267
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,400
it is reliable and can be counted on.

1268
01:00:54,079 --> 01:01:00,160
So, I'm I'm fully in favor of increasing

1269
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:04,240
the amount um so that the everyday

1270
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:06,559
maintenance is um has can be um counted

1271
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,079
upon. And I think it might be easier for

1272
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,520
um Director Blackmore and his team to

1273
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,000
know that that's a reliable source of

1274
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,359
income versus you know us worrying about

1275
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,359
how much money is in the general fund

1276
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:17,680
and we have to allocate that away from

1277
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,839
parks. I mean we put a significant

1278
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,960
amount of general fund money toward the

1279
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:24,880
parks and that that is a source that

1280
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,160
needs to be spread widely across the

1281
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,400
whole community and a lot of other

1282
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,200
things. We're going to get to staffing

1283
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,280
concerns. So, um, my preference actually

1284
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,920
would be to make this a long-term plan

1285
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,760
versus a short-term plan.

1286
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,200
» I don't know that we need to kind of

1287
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,119
decide between the short-term and

1288
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,680
long-term. I think it is a really good

1289
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:46,960
point to be making uh as between you and

1290
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:50,480
May Prom about how we do that um as we

1291
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,160
move forward. Um, one question I had was

1292
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,400
if you go back to the Can you go back to

1293
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:58,160
the uh CTF,

1294
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:04,160
but um I don't know the answer to this

1295
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:06,400
offhand. What is there a is there 15%

1296
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,480
reserve that we include or is it not?

1297
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,559
It's not that kind of a fund because it

1298
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,920
comes in from elsewhere. Okay,

1299
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:13,760
» That's correct. This this fund does not

1300
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,680
have reserve. Um it's those are

1301
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,079
generally driven with operational funds.

1302
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,319
didn't see that familiar blue or yellow

1303
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,480
line. So, I just wanted to clarify that.

1304
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:24,960
All right, I think we're ready with our

1305
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,599
uh with that. Let's go to the next one,

1306
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:31,200
which is the question of increasing the

1307
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:35,200
general fund subsidy. Um the current

1308
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:38,319
transfers are $1.125 million.

1309
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:42,400
uh in 2020, excuse me, that the

1310
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:47,520
transfers that are noted are uh about

1311
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:51,200
$1.125 million in 27 and $1.16 million

1312
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:54,799
in 2028 to the parks fund. And the

1313
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:58,480
question is whether we would like to

1314
01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:01,440
increase that amount if it's feasible.

1315
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,400
Um any initial thoughts about this from

1316
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,079
council? Did I get that issue correct?

1317
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,160
Mayor, if you don't mind, I feel like I

1318
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:12,400
have the feedback necessary to kind of

1319
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:14,000
remodel for September 2nd. Um I I think

1320
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,400
the only thing I would need on this

1321
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,559
because at this time I I I don't have

1322
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,039
the funding available to increase this

1323
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,559
just to just to know if this is still a

1324
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,160
tool in your toolbox that you want me to

1325
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:26,079
monitor and if presents itself, I could

1326
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,440
bring it back in that modeling as well.

1327
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,480
Um, so I don't know if we need to spend

1328
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,640
a lot of time this right now because

1329
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,839
again, uh, where are we where we are in

1330
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,440
the general fund, but if it's something

1331
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:35,440
that you still would like to keep on the

1332
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,359
slide, keep on the board, um, should it

1333
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,760
present itself, I could bring it as a

1334
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:41,760
future decision point in the modeling,

1335
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:45,039
» Unless we say absolutely, we don't want

1336
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,079
to do this. Seems like monitor is a good

1337
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:50,400
uh, position, but yeah, council member

1338
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:52,880
Hefner. Yeah, just maybe a little more

1339
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,559
color um along the lines of what the

1340
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,400
mayor prom said, which is,

1341
01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:01,359
you know, we're looking for a long-term

1342
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,520
solution and maybe we'll get there as

1343
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:06,960
between service level and changing

1344
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:09,039
playground replacement schedule and

1345
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,079
borrowing or transferring from the

1346
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:13,839
conservation trust. But if we don't,

1347
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:17,599
right, if if those factors aren't enough

1348
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:21,599
to get us to a a stabilizing solution,

1349
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:23,920
then um sort of short of some other new

1350
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:26,720
revenue source, this is the remaining

1351
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,480
thing, the remaining tool we have. Um

1352
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,559
and so I do think we'll need to look at

1353
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,319
it if the other tools don't get us

1354
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,680
there.

1355
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:37,440
Okay.

1356
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,559
» Um thumbs up for monitoring this in

1357
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,440
light of the comments that have been

1358
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,240
made.

1359
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,000
» Okay. Um

1360
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,200
if you've got adequate direction then

1361
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,280
let's go to the next one which is uh

1362
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:53,039
considering service level reductions.

1363
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:57,760
We've had discussions about this a bit

1364
01:04:53,039 --> 01:05:01,520
um but um not as much about the variable

1365
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:06,160
personal expenses particular what um any

1366
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:07,839
comments or thoughts about this one?

1367
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,280
» Yes.

1368
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:13,039
I think does staff need more details on

1369
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,280
it or can you take kind of the general

1370
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:18,440
theme and bring back some ideas? Okay,

1371
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,440
thank you.

1372
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,119
» So, thanks. So, we're talking about the

1373
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,039
service level adjustments. One of my

1374
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:27,280
thoughts has been we're we and we

1375
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:30,000
recently got a lovely award for two uh

1376
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,839
neighborhood parks um that were redone

1377
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,920
post Marshall fire uh burned to the

1378
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:36,000
ground unfortunately. But one of my

1379
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,119
thoughts has been in these neighborhood

1380
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,760
parks to get the neighborhoods more

1381
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:44,720
invested in them the way that it was

1382
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:47,440
like a decade or more ago. And I was

1383
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,680
thinking that I mean we're talking about

1384
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,440
potentially trying to activate some more

1385
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,640
volunteers. This might be one of the

1386
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,799
ways to do that is engaging neighborhood

1387
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,359
members to help maintain their

1388
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:02,640
neighborhood park. Most of I think the

1389
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:04,720
neighborhood parks are um predominantly

1390
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,760
used by the people who live in that

1391
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,000
neighborhood. Although they are

1392
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,160
accessible to everybody in the entire

1393
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,480
they are public parks accessible to all.

1394
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,000
Um but I think that one it's a way for

1395
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:19,280
people in each neighborhood to own their

1396
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,839
park and I think that might also help

1397
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,440
especially if they understand we have

1398
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:26,319
some budget constraints doing

1399
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,520
maintenance. Uh perhaps that's a way to

1400
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:32,000
help reduce some of the staffing costs.

1401
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:35,119
» Is there any initial thoughts from staff

1402
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,039
very high level about that?

1403
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:37,280
» No.

1404
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,200
» Okay.

1405
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,440
» I think it could certainly be considered

1406
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,680
a tool in the toolbox as director Bailey

1407
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,720
said. So we'll keep that in mind.

1408
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,520
» Okay.

1409
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:50,960
» Yes. Council member.

1410
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,559
Um, I very much like that idea and would

1411
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,720
like to see it as part of a larger

1412
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:56,720
discussion about how volunteers could

1413
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,480
assist the city in other ways.

1414
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,640
» I would like to note on that because

1415
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,960
this topic has come up about volunteer

1416
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,960
utilization. Um, if we're going to go

1417
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,440
that route, we need to add a position

1418
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,200
for volunteer coordinator. It's not a

1419
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,520
realistic expectation to put on the

1420
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,280
supervisors to manage all of the

1421
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,960
volunteers. I think there is an

1422
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,760
opportunity there, but we would want to

1423
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,839
add a volunteer coordinator position um

1424
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,240
to assist with coordinating all of these

1425
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:24,160
activities and that might span multiple

1426
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,640
departments. It wouldn't just have to be

1427
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,119
proa could be cultural services as well.

1428
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,799
Um but there is opportunity, but we'd

1429
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:34,240
want to be able to have that staff

1430
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:36,240
person to manage it as well.

1431
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,119
» Yeah. And I don't know the answer to

1432
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,200
this, but um

1433
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:44,559
volunteers sounds um sort of resonates

1434
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:48,319
in a certain way, but I don't know

1435
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:51,520
whether there are uh potential insurance

1436
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:54,079
uh implications of using

1437
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,319
uh volunteers to a greater degree than

1438
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,000
we've done before. But that's something

1439
01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:00,319
we don't need to discuss that too much

1440
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:03,280
today, but I it would be good to know

1441
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:05,760
that if we decide to expand that. Um,

1442
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:09,119
and that's one of those things where I

1443
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,039
think as we move forward, we're going to

1444
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,920
need an offset

1445
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,759
um or at least a estimate of kind of how

1446
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:20,719
we could accomplish savings. But um with

1447
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:24,239
those um with that input, do you have

1448
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:29,759
enough council comfortable with the the

1449
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:32,960
input? Okay, let's uh move to open

1450
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:34,960
space. Thank you, mayor. Um, thank you

1451
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:37,679
for that discussion. On to the open

1452
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,640
space fund. The city owns or has

1453
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:43,199
interest in nearly 2,000 acres of open

1454
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,679
lands that serve a wide variety of

1455
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:47,040
values. These lands provide recreational

1456
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:50,400
opportunities for residents and

1457
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,120
visitors, supports diverse wildlife and

1458
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,480
plant communities, and buffers between

1459
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,880
Lewisville and our neighboring

1460
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,799
municipalities. It's funded by a

1461
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,839
dedicated sales tax through December

1462
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:04,719
2033. It's led by Ember Brignull and her

1463
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:07,279
amazing staff. Open space is another is

1464
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:08,880
a reason another great reason to enjoy

1465
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:12,400
Lewisville. What makes it a great place

1466
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:15,679
to live, work, and recreate? In 2027,

1467
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:19,600
revenues are 2.8 million growing to 2.9

1468
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:21,759
million in 28. Or forecasted uses. I'll

1469
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:25,040
go on to why I use uses here. Uh for

1470
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:27,759
2027, 2.7 million and 3.1 million in

1471
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,839
2028. Those uses include not only your

1472
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:33,279
operating expenses, but also capital

1473
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:36,239
expenses of 200,000 in 2027 and half a

1474
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:38,960
million in 2028. This also accounts for

1475
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:41,199
the acquisition set aside of $300,000

1476
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,159
annually. If you recall, last budget

1477
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:48,679
cycle, your council set a target uh

1478
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:48,679
acquisition reserve of 5 million.

1479
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:54,400
The open space fund is structurally

1480
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:57,040
balanced in 27 and 28. It includes 1.2

1481
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:00,480
two full-time personnel recommended

1482
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,960
additions, a natural resource technician

1483
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:05,920
and a partial allocation of the pros

1484
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,920
deputy director. However, our long-term

1485
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,159
modeling identifies an imbalance in the

1486
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,159
outy years.

1487
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:15,920
The acquisition reserve at current set

1488
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:19,280
aside levels which is 30% of the

1489
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,679
incremental 1/8 or another way 12% of

1490
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:25,120
the total tax is projected to accumulate

1491
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:27,040
3.1 million through 2032.

1492
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,640
Recall that the open space acquisition

1493
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,640
reserve amount was set at 5 million

1494
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,400
during last year's budget development.

1495
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,120
So this brings us to another col call

1496
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,360
col uh council policy direction point

1497
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:39,360
whether to revisit the acquisition

1498
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,000
reserve percentage to balance

1499
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,560
operational capital and acquisition

1500
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,000
expenditures against available funding.

1501
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,560
But I'll continue before we have

1502
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,400
discussion

1503
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,640
to the chart. Um so the open space again

1504
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,159
open base open space fund again is

1505
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,199
structurally balanced. What this means

1506
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:02,480
is your ongoing expenses

1507
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:04,640
um are less than your ongoing revenues

1508
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:08,239
revenues. However, future refinement of

1509
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:10,480
your capital projects would be necessary

1510
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,920
uh through 2032. So, let me touch on

1511
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,320
this forecast because this one's got a

1512
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,080
lot of action on it. Your blue bar are

1513
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,199
your revenues.

1514
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,199
Your red are your operating expenses.

1515
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:22,719
The bright pink are your capital

1516
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,400
expenses.

1517
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:27,199
The orange along the top is the

1518
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:29,600
acquisition reserve set aside. And in

1519
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:32,000
addition to the fund ending fund balance

1520
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,159
for each of these years, the green bars,

1521
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:37,040
your purple bar is your accumulation of

1522
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:41,199
the acquisition reserve. This is subject

1523
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:43,280
to change if and when land is purchased.

1524
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:45,760
In 2031,

1525
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,320
the minimum reserve exceeds your

1526
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:50,400
operating fund balance.

1527
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,320
Um, you're not meeting your target in

1528
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:56,480
2031. This continues into 2032.

1529
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,480
Um, one of the drivers of that is

1530
01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:01,280
significant capital expend expenditures

1531
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:03,920
in those out years. A reminder that the

1532
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,159
additional FTE to maintain open space,

1533
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,960
the natural resource technician is in

1534
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:11,840
this model. Um,

1535
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:16,640
let's touch on the capital projects in

1536
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,320
these orange slivers on the next slide.

1537
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,480
It's actually not so bad to read, but

1538
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,920
you all have a handout to look at these

1539
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,400
capital projects here, so you can see

1540
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:29,840
what's making up uh the bright orange

1541
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:33,840
piece of those of the open space chart,

1542
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:36,800
uh the bright selections of the the

1543
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,040
long-term forecast chart. So now I'll

1544
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,840
probably kick it back to slide 41 and

1545
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,640
revisit

1546
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,320
um the council policy direction. So you

1547
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,760
have a few levers here. You can adjust

1548
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:51,920
the acquisition reserve which is

1549
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:53,520
$300,000 set aside. Um we have an

1550
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,640
expansion position that director

1551
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,360
Blackboard could speak to a little

1552
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,440
better than I. Um and he also have

1553
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,679
capital expenditures um as another

1554
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:04,480
lever. Um again this fund is

1555
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:06,800
structurally balanced for 2728 but we do

1556
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:08,000
run our model through 232 for good

1557
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,199
reason. So you can see where we're

1558
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,920
headed. Um so with that I'd like to go

1559
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:17,920
back to council and open up discussion

1560
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:21,760
on the open space fund.

1561
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:26,640
» Okay. Thank you very much. Um

1562
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:28,880
question you have um was there is um

1563
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:32,080
revisiting potentially revisiting the

1564
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:35,360
acquisition review percentage.

1565
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:37,120
Um, are there other questions that

1566
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,080
council

1567
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,800
might want to add to that? Yeah, council

1568
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,560
member.

1569
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,199
» Great. Thanks. So, um, I was actually

1570
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,560
just curious. It looks like in 28

1571
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:50,239
there's $255,000.

1572
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,480
That's for open space planning

1573
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:54,080
documents. Is that part of the pro long

1574
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:57,199
range plan? That's the component just

1575
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:59,840
for open space.

1576
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:03,760
Now that would be the the next step of

1577
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:08,239
open space planning. Um so open space is

1578
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:10,239
a little unique that it's uh managed by

1579
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:12,560
what used to be called a master plan.

1580
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:14,880
It's comprehensive plan. Uh it's

1581
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,640
intended to be basically property level

1582
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,199
management recommendations and

1583
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,600
evaluations for all the things on all of

1584
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:24,320
our properties. Uh the last time it was

1585
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:27,760
done was 2004. Was intended to be a

1586
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:30,000
10-year document. um it's been a high

1587
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:32,800
priority of the community members who

1588
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:36,480
advocate for these things and for OSAP

1589
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:39,520
and so um the discussion between doing

1590
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,920
that process or the long range plan

1591
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:45,199
first or second um we're using the long

1592
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:48,640
range plan to inform that plan. Um, it

1593
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:50,960
also includes set aides potentially for

1594
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,480
other evaluations that um, you know,

1595
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,840
we've heard from the community that they

1596
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:56,000
would like us to have a more formal

1597
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,800
approach with as it relates to ecology,

1598
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,960
wildlife uh, management plans, that kind

1599
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,640
of thing that we don't have formalized

1600
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,239
and adopted currently at the moment. We

1601
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,920
have operational best practices and we

1602
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:09,040
have reliance on the 2004

1603
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:12,000
recommendations, but it's kind of a a

1604
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,440
catchall for the prioritization of

1605
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,640
planning efforts that comes out of the

1606
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:17,199
long range plan.

1607
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,840
» And is pardon me, does that also include

1608
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,679
or is the trails separate because I know

1609
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,560
there was a trails plan as well?

1610
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:28,239
» Yeah, the the trails plan is a separate

1611
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:32,400
document. It informs property level

1612
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:36,400
impacts moving forward. Um the 2028

1613
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,560
effort will also include the 147ish

1614
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,960
acres that were being dedicated as

1615
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:43,679
preserved not preserved as dedicated

1616
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:46,719
open space to be determined what kind of

1617
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:47,760
open space it is u at Red Tail Ridge as

1618
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:49,840
well. So

1619
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,199
» And then I was looking at the Warberg.

1620
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,760
So we're like when we're looking at

1621
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,840
future out and how it's depleting um the

1622
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,239
reserve and some of these projects these

1623
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,560
are some pretty high ticket estimates as

1624
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:02,960
well for Wberg. There's the 160,000 this

1625
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,600
is for the planning and then another

1626
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,960
nearly 600,000. It's estimated at 575

1627
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:10,000
now, but it's so far out. My guess is

1628
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:12,640
it'll go well over six. Is is that again

1629
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,360
part of it is just to create a plan for

1630
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,960
that and that's not included in the the

1631
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,120
the 2028 plans and then is it also the

1632
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,679
cost of like redoing that whole pond

1633
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,679
that's there?

1634
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:28,159
» Yeah. So the so the 160 in 2031 would be

1635
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:30,239
the site planning evaluation, community

1636
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,400
engagement, what they want to see.

1637
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:34,960
Basically, the intention

1638
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:38,800
um of OSAB and staff is in alignment

1639
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,600
with the recommendation is to really um

1640
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,560
turn Warrenburgg being centrally located

1641
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,400
in town as kind of a a hub of open space

1642
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,800
operations, if you will, for things like

1643
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,760
educational programming that potentially

1644
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:54,320
could result in a restroom facility. It

1645
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,840
could result in an educational

1646
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,480
amphitheater setup of some kind.

1647
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,640
basically uh more of a activated

1648
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:03,120
recreational open space opportunity at

1649
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,920
that property is what those particular

1650
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,840
projects are.

1651
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,840
» So I'm curious if this has come up with

1652
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,040
the open space advisory board for where

1653
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:13,280
the priorities are. um they've always

1654
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,719
really um asked and I think we've heard

1655
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,280
from the community too a high priority

1656
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:20,000
on putting funds aside for additional

1657
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:22,960
property but if it's a higher priority

1658
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,040
that these and it sounds like a really

1659
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,120
awesome plan to do for that warmberg

1660
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,000
space because it is so centrally located

1661
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:32,880
for everyone. Um if that's the bigger

1662
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,320
priority then I mean I now I could see

1663
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,840
where shifting some of the funds to

1664
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,480
programs like this away from

1665
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,600
acquisition. Uh but I would say that we

1666
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:44,640
have to balance the priority here and I

1667
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:47,920
wasn't sure how where their input came

1668
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:51,280
into this.

1669
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,520
» This operationally is the top of their

1670
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,520
list. Um they they were really excited

1671
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,679
about this perspective opportunity and

1672
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:01,679
the change of just the addition of some

1673
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:04,719
recreational amenities within our open

1674
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:07,199
space program. Um, we would have to ask

1675
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:09,440
them, you know, if one of the directives

1676
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,920
today is to evaluate that acquisition

1677
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:13,760
percentage if it was an eitheror

1678
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:17,600
recommendation back to council, we could

1679
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:20,960
certainly do that. Thank you for

1680
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:23,120
» Uh yes, start with member Tim and then

1681
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,520
council member Hefner and council member

1682
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:28,159
Cooperman.

1683
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,840
So I I think um thank you council member

1684
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:32,000
Kerna for your point regarding

1685
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,000
maintaining what we have um and

1686
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,760
balancing that with trying to expand

1687
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,320
through acquisition more properties. I

1688
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,480
think it's a really important discussion

1689
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,080
and um there's certainly quite a bit of

1690
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:44,960
money that's sitting in acquisition that

1691
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:46,400
if we need to uh revisit that could be

1692
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,120
used for other per more immediate

1693
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:52,239
purposes. Um,

1694
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:55,760
talking about Warrenburgg Pond,

1695
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:58,159
do any of these costs encompass

1696
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,760
the neighboring part of the neighboring

1697
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:02,800
property that will now need to be

1698
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,960
maintained or brought into that fold?

1699
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:09,600
the 2031 site planning would um

1700
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,520
operationally we would we wouldn't need

1701
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:14,719
to do any type of capital investment for

1702
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,800
that particular parcel but um assuming

1703
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:19,600
it's under our control and management by

1704
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,840
2031 then yeah it would be included as a

1705
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,440
potential site to include an investment

1706
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,520
with the 2032 money.

1707
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:29,560
» Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. That

1708
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,560
was my only question right now.

1709
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:36,239
I I was just going to echo some of

1710
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,320
council member Karn's

1711
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:42,159
I think I heard skepticism about some of

1712
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:45,360
the the numbers in here. Um and maybe

1713
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:47,360
starting with a small one. $30,000 for

1714
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:50,239
the weed management plan. That's a a

1715
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:53,360
15page document and a few pages aren't

1716
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:56,960
substantive. I mean that's $2,000 a page

1717
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,800
for a weed plan.

1718
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,520
Is there any I mean is that outside

1719
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:04,760
consulting just abusing us? Why is that

1720
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,760
so expensive?

1721
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,800
» It's a it's not just a open space weed

1722
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,080
management plan. It's also it's for the

1723
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,840
entire department. This is the

1724
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:18,719
percentage. So it would be an evaluation

1725
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:20,880
of parks, herbicide use, golf course,

1726
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:22,800
all of the things. Then

1727
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,800
» I think it is a bit to be determined the

1728
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:28,080
exact amount. We could we could

1729
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,760
certainly consider altering a projected

1730
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:32,960
amount to align with the projected

1731
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,560
scope. Um, you know, that just dictates

1732
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,239
what we're able to put into a proposal

1733
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,239
that would come before council before a

1734
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:41,040
contract was approved. Um, and would

1735
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:42,800
also go before PLAB and OSAB as a high

1736
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,360
priority for us to do in this next

1737
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,960
two-year budget um to ensure that

1738
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:50,239
they're getting they're proposing um

1739
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,920
what they would like to see as an

1740
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:55,679
outcome from that plan.

1741
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,760
And then I I mean I guess I I sort of

1742
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:00,400
have the same question about the the

1743
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,560
budgets for the planning documents for

1744
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:06,640
the professional services budget and the

1745
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:08,560
Warren Borg fishing pond plan.

1746
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,440
And maybe to put a finer point on it, I

1747
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:14,080
I'm worried we're paying consultants to

1748
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:16,320
go out and do essentially

1749
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,960
repetitive community engagement style

1750
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:21,840
work where they ask people about what

1751
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,840
the city's core priorities should be and

1752
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,080
have lots of focus groups and do I mean

1753
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,679
it's thousands and thousands and

1754
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:32,320
thousands of hours essentially of

1755
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:34,320
consulting help here for areas where I

1756
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,480
think we have internally quite a bit of

1757
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,920
knowledge about what the priorities are.

1758
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:41,760
And you know, I don't know what the

1759
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:43,440
consultant proposals are. Um, but right,

1760
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,560
$255,000,

1761
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:48,800
even at $250 an hour, that's a,000 hours

1762
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,480
of consulting work for those planning

1763
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,960
documents,

1764
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:56,159
which is one person working full-time

1765
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:58,239
for 6 months. Um, that like that's a lot

1766
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:59,920
of

1767
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:03,679
that's a lot of time. And if there's any

1768
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:06,800
way to sort of pull these back and and

1769
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:08,719
try and tailor them, um, I think it

1770
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,840
could help with where we land on the bar

1771
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:13,920
graph. I I have I'll just say out loud

1772
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,440
what's driving this is I've not been

1773
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,480
terribly impressed by the consulting

1774
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,840
help we got on the long range plan, and

1775
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,800
I don't think that's the fault of anyone

1776
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,080
in this room. Um, but I I do think

1777
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,760
there's a lot of consultants out there

1778
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:31,760
who are happy to charge us too much and

1779
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:34,000
I would love to see sort of a more

1780
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,840
skeptical approach to to what they're

1781
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,159
proposing.

1782
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,560
» City manager has a comment on this.

1783
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:42,159
» Yes. So, a couple of things. Um, one of

1784
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:47,760
the things that we've talked about with

1785
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:49,520
the CIP is to um budget appropriately.

1786
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,199
uh you know we've seen budget amendments

1787
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,480
come to council for projects because we

1788
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:55,679
underestimated and so part of what staff

1789
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:58,800
has done is they've tried to put

1790
01:22:55,679 --> 01:23:01,120
estimates in that uh you know we think

1791
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,960
are more realistic in what can be

1792
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:06,320
accomplished. The other thing I would

1793
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:10,480
say with particularly this budget um you

1794
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:13,040
know OSAB PLAB they have a lot of

1795
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:15,920
expectations for what uh the

1796
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:18,560
department's going to do and then also

1797
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,400
with the um guide book you know we also

1798
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,960
see that this is a this community is

1799
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:26,800
very passionate about open space and

1800
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:29,440
parks and how they're maintained and um

1801
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:34,639
you know I the level of documentation

1802
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:37,920
does seem um to be to some excessive,

1803
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:40,159
but I would say to those that use it,

1804
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,159
uh, this becomes the document that they

1805
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:44,880
refer to to defend what they're doing to

1806
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:47,440
the community because they get so much

1807
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,040
skepticism in terms of and so much

1808
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:51,520
there's so much expertise in this

1809
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,440
community and everybody knows how to do

1810
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,880
it better than they do. And so when we

1811
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:57,040
have these documents, they're able to

1812
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,679
point to that to say, you know, this was

1813
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:02,960
prepared um by somebody that's an expert

1814
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:06,080
in the field. um it was vetted, it went

1815
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:09,040
through the process and you know we are

1816
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:12,320
following best practice. So could could

1817
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,920
this be scaled down? It probably could.

1818
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,920
With that said though, we also know that

1819
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,320
we would get a lot of blowback from the

1820
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,239
community in terms of well we know

1821
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,880
better than you do and let me tell you

1822
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:24,880
how to do it.

1823
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,719
Council

1824
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:30,159
member Cooperman.

1825
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:33,920
Um the

1826
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:37,080
open space signs uh row is that mostly

1827
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,080
for wayfinding.

1828
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:44,480
It is the 2027 especially is mostly for

1829
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,880
interpretive signage and replacement of

1830
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:49,679
kiosk and trail head signage. Um there

1831
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:52,560
is an element where it could fall into

1832
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:54,239
assisting with wayfinding but um most of

1833
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,280
the wayfinding projects are being funded

1834
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:59,360
out of the CTF allocated funds. Um so

1835
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,320
this is more sight specific property

1836
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:00,719
specific signage.

1837
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,880
» Okay.

1838
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:05,120
» And then are there specific projects in

1839
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:08,080
mind for the trail connections for those

1840
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:10,560
three years at $75,000?

1841
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:12,800
» Not yet. Those are long range our trail

1842
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:15,360
system plan placeholders. Um there has

1843
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,760
we have heard that there's a a strong

1844
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,679
preference and priority for community

1845
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:22,080
trail connection expansion neighborhood

1846
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:25,360
connections that kind of thing. Um and

1847
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,679
so this is the placeholder for where

1848
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,400
» Open spaces part of that would be

1849
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:31,280
impacted.

1850
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:34,639
» Okay. Um and then I'll just make a

1851
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:38,080
comment. Um

1852
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:40,719
well I know of a few or especially one

1853
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:42,800
resident who is quite interested in

1854
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:45,920
mustering a lot of volunteer effort for

1855
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,280
the Warrenburgg pond project. So I feel

1856
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,880
like that's a place where maybe uh we

1857
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:55,080
could get the community more involved

1858
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:55,080
and reduce our costs.

1859
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:00,880
» Yep. Council member Fee,

1860
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:05,280
» I just have a long range question and

1861
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:07,360
that is has the open space board decided

1862
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:10,239
or staff

1863
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:12,880
how new properties are going to be

1864
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:15,360
maintained within the budget when you

1865
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,360
purchase another piece of open space.

1866
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:22,040
Where's the money going to come from to

1867
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:22,040
pay for it and then maintain that?

1868
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:28,960
Probably the short answer is no. Um,

1869
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,040
we've spent the last 18 months or so

1870
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,520
refining what the actual acquisition

1871
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,600
process is going to look like and that's

1872
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,280
been a high priority of city manager

1873
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:41,199
Langley with OSAP since she came on

1874
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:42,480
board. Um, how we then fund the

1875
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:44,080
maintenance after that I think would

1876
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:47,760
have to be discussed as a component of

1877
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:51,360
the acquisition process.

1878
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:56,480
Um, I I want to uh

1879
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:58,000
trail back to a comment that was made by

1880
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,679
[clears throat] council member Hefner.

1881
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,239
Actually, a number of different people

1882
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:06,560
have raised issues including the city

1883
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:10,480
manager um to kind of speed this along a

1884
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:12,639
bit because we have a lot to cover um uh

1885
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:15,280
still and we're having good discussions,

1886
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:18,639
but we have a lot to to move through.

1887
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:22,320
Um, I'm kind of keeping a list of like

1888
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:24,719
major sort of thematic issues that I

1889
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:27,440
think would be good to cover, not just

1890
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:30,400
in this part of the budget, but frankly

1891
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:33,440
in many parts of the budget where they

1892
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:35,679
come up. Consulting generally is

1893
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:39,440
something I think most council members,

1894
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:41,679
if not all council members have um

1895
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,639
discussed in the past, particularly

1896
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:46,639
parts that council member Hefner talked

1897
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:51,040
about, which is sort of the redoing over

1898
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:54,639
and over and over again at times of uh

1899
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,040
community sentiment because um we get a

1900
01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:00,159
lot of that through public comments, but

1901
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,400
um also we have a large body of

1902
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:05,679
information. So, um, that's one thing

1903
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:08,560
that I think could apply to many

1904
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:10,159
consultant situations across the board.

1905
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,639
I think another one that we've talked

1906
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:18,000
about is sort of board and commission

1907
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:20,320
uh, input and um, um, support. Uh this

1908
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:24,480
is something that's kind of a discussion

1909
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:26,159
that is going to happen over and over uh

1910
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:29,920
at times because our boards and

1911
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:32,639
commissions are very motivated, very um

1912
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:34,719
involved, very excited about what

1913
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:37,679
they're doing with a lot of energy and a

1914
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:40,560
lot of information. Um, there have been

1915
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:43,920
times when I think some boards and

1916
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,760
commissions have verurged on suggesting

1917
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,560
that maybe they have a budget and they

1918
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:51,520
don't. We're the budget making folks.

1919
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:56,480
Um, you know, I I think sometimes it's

1920
01:28:51,520 --> 01:29:00,960
easy to not think about staff uh

1921
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:04,000
pressure u to do other things when

1922
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:07,199
boards and commissions meet. Um, and

1923
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,960
suggest they want certain things. Um, I

1924
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:12,400
think part of that is board management

1925
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:14,639
and um, I know that staff is doing that

1926
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:18,480
in the course and and hope that will

1927
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:19,920
continue and um, I think it's attention

1928
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,080
constantly because we want to make sure

1929
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:25,120
our boards and commissions are doing

1930
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:28,639
what they need to do and um, doing it

1931
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:30,719
with support, but um, like all things

1932
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:34,159
that's got to be balanced against other

1933
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:36,320
stuff. their advisory and so I encourage

1934
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:38,560
that to you know I think that's the kind

1935
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:41,600
of thing that we can do. I think we're

1936
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:46,239
hearing about volunteers multiple times

1937
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:48,400
here. I think to the extent that any um

1938
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:50,320
part of the city government can make use

1939
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,320
of volunteers. I think you can assume

1940
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:55,440
that that might be something that's

1941
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:59,520
worth discussing. We could flag those

1942
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,600
each time, but I I think um you know,

1943
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,719
and maybe these are the the greatest

1944
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,159
places or the most likely places to deal

1945
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:08,159
with volunteers, but I think those

1946
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:11,120
issues are going to be coming up over

1947
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:13,440
and over, too. So, we've got very

1948
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,400
involved citizenry. They can do a lot of

1949
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:18,960
things. There's trade-offs there. So, if

1950
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:21,199
that's okay, I am thinking that's one

1951
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,199
way we can not cut down the comments,

1952
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:27,840
but move through this um as

1953
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:33,440
expositiously as we can. All right. Um,

1954
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:38,080
does staff have let's see, we still

1955
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:41,920
we still have I I think the question of

1956
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,679
adjusting the acquisition reserve

1957
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,760
um percentage. I mean, I didn't hear

1958
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:48,159
anything definitive on that. So, yeah,

1959
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,760
Council Member Cooper,

1960
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:53,199
» Um

1961
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,719
I guess given the the current modeling,

1962
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:57,760
um

1963
01:30:54,719 --> 01:31:00,880
I feel like there's maybe sufficient

1964
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:04,000
wiggle room in the uh capital side of

1965
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:06,000
expenditures to for me to sort of hold

1966
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:10,440
off on making any adjustments to the

1967
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,440
acquisition uh reserve.

1968
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:18,480
» Yeah, counc. Yeah, I' [clears throat]

1969
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:20,560
I'd suggest a slight modification to

1970
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,880
that, which is rather than tinker with

1971
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:26,320
the percentage, we just bring down the

1972
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:28,719
target um so that it's not continuing to

1973
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,880
drive the balance negative in the outy

1974
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:33,920
years and that way we're still saving

1975
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:36,639
for the future. If we're able to sort of

1976
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,120
get a handle on the capital expenses, we

1977
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:40,560
can always increase the target again. Um

1978
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,400
so I would say, you know, let's bring

1979
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,239
that down to a million and a half or 2

1980
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,120
million. I forget where it was. If you

1981
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,159
have that chart,

1982
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,679
» We like the chart,

1983
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:50,000
» But

1984
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:53,480
sort of do it so that we can stay above

1985
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,480
the yellow line.

1986
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,840
» Talking about smoothing.

1987
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,040
» What's that?

1988
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,760
» You're talking about smoothing or

1989
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:02,560
something different?

1990
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:06,000
» Uh, no, more of a cliff.

1991
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:07,440
» Okay, then. Um, others. Council member

1992
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,560
Coopermanman, you raised this just a

1993
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:10,239
minute ago. Are you comfortable with

1994
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:13,480
that?

1995
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:13,480
» Are others

1996
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:25,120
Maybe if I could add highle math as I

1997
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:29,920
look at this PowerPoint, that would put

1998
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:32,719
a 30% uh reserve or 12% of the total tax

1999
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:35,440
through about 2029 or 2030, at which

2000
01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:37,600
case the purple bar would be frozen and

2001
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:38,880
those kind of net proceeds or it would

2002
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,719
stack a little bit further on the green

2003
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,639
bar keeping above the orange line. This

2004
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:45,760
is something I could model for uh the

2005
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:46,960
next presentation.

2006
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,239
» I guess I would just add I would need

2007
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,159
direction on the amount of which that

2008
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,080
the purple bar is capped out.

2009
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:54,239
» Do you think it's 1.5 or two? Just

2010
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:56,480
looking at this, I think it's somewhere

2011
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:58,239
in that range.

2012
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:59,679
» Somewhere in that range, but yeah, I

2013
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:01,600
would have to put in a spreadsheet for

2014
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:02,800
that.

2015
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,199
And [clears throat]

2016
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,960
just just to put a finer point on the

2017
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:09,280
reason I like that is because it's

2018
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,679
essentially status quo

2019
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,199
and if next year or the year after we

2020
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:14,880
want to things are going well and we

2021
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:17,880
want to increase the target again we

2022
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,880
can.

2023
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:26,120
» Any other thoughts about that proposal?

2024
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:28,800
Yes,

2025
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,440
10.

2026
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,440
» I actually um I really like that idea of

2027
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:36,480
adjusting the target for the acquisition

2028
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:38,320
because I I'm not certain I see any

2029
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:42,560
opportunity here with just maintaining

2030
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:46,560
what we have um to, you know, cut a lot

2031
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:50,000
on this current um itemization.

2032
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:52,159
So, I I think doing this proposal is a

2033
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,920
is a nice path forward that allows us to

2034
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:56,159
maintain what we have, but also still

2035
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,560
plan for the future. and then pivot for

2036
01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:02,920
that future if needed. Um so that

2037
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,920
everything is staying balanced there.

2038
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:09,520
» Council member Cooper just so if we went

2039
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:11,760
with that direction but let's say we

2040
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:16,080
bought something

2041
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:18,560
I don't know in 2029 or or whenever um

2042
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:21,360
that would it would go down right and

2043
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:25,760
then we would keep putting money into it

2044
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:27,199
right until we got back to the cap. So,

2045
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:32,000
I'm just wondering like would an

2046
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:34,320
acquisition throw off the the that idea

2047
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:37,280
the the the aim of that idea to keep us

2048
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,960
above the the minimum?

2049
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:43,199
» I think that that would be a challenge

2050
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:45,679
for future future us future council.

2051
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:48,080
Um,

2052
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:51,600
which is another way of saying it grows

2053
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:56,880
more speculative as we go in out years.

2054
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:59,920
We're not only focused on 27 28 but and

2055
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:04,080
so forth but I think we can probably

2056
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:07,360
hopefully move on with

2057
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:09,679
um the proposal

2058
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,760
the proposal that's been made by council

2059
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:14,480
member Hfner with the considerations

2060
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:16,719
that have been otherwise brought by

2061
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:19,679
council member Coopermanman and mayor

2062
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:21,440
Patan.

2063
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:24,000
» Pardon me. You can make the chart look

2064
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:25,760
better. [laughter]

2065
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,920
» Council member Curtain says you you may

2066
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:31,679
be able to make the chart look better.

2067
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:33,760
So, I'll leave that to you. All right.

2068
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:37,440
Do you have enough?

2069
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:42,440
Okay. And I think we're good. Um All

2070
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:42,440
right. Moving on to the golf fund.

2071
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:47,360
» Thank you for that direction. Nestled at

2072
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:49,280
the foot of the Rocky Mountains, Cole

2073
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:52,080
Creek Golf Course is a landmark in

2074
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,600
public golf. [laughter]

2075
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,206
» That's great.

2076
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,960
» This is stri straight from the website.

2077
01:35:56,206 --> 01:35:59,440
[laughter]

2078
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:01,600
Want to hear about the layout? Okay.

2079
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:03,600
It's managed by Mark Jensen, Bo Lewis,

2080
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,199
both PGA certified. And I'd be a miss

2081
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,400
not to mention the Turn restaurant at

2082
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,560
the golf course if you haven't been

2083
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,440
there.

2084
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:13,920
Forecasted revenues for 2027, 2.9

2085
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:17,360
million. Forecasted revenues for 2028 3

2086
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:21,679
million. Forecasted expenses in 2027 3.5

2087
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:23,760
million. Forecasted expenses in 2028 3.6

2088
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:26,239
million. This does those forecasted

2089
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:28,800
expenses do include significant capital

2090
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:31,120
expenditures of $400,000 in each year

2091
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:33,440
and minimal amount of operational

2092
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:35,520
turnback of 60,000 in each year. This

2093
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:38,560
leaves us with preliminary operational

2094
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,199
gaps in 2027 of about 200,000 and

2095
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:43,520
230,000 in 2028.

2096
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:45,040
This is the preliminary CIP includes

2097
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:48,400
significant capital investments of

2098
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:51,360
approximately 1.7 million over the term

2099
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,159
3.65 FTE recommended additions. This is

2100
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:57,119
a piece of the partial allocation of the

2101
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:59,360
the deputy director and also an increase

2102
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:01,679
in FTEES variables for maintenance

2103
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,600
workers and guest service attendance to

2104
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:06,600
align with actual hours worked in recent

2105
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,600
history.

2106
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:11,199
Recreation Advisory Board has been

2107
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:13,760
engaged with multiple meetings

2108
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:16,159
established throughout the summer and

2109
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,080
staff is currently modeling multiple

2110
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:21,280
revenue scenarios next to be presented

2111
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:23,520
to the RAB meeting on July 27th.

2112
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:26,000
This reflects the staff's sorry one

2113
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:29,199
second preliminary what I just mentioned

2114
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:31,119
on the previous slide. Um

2115
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:33,679
2026, that purple bar, you see

2116
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:36,159
significant capital expenses, 1.3

2117
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:39,119
million at varying degrees of uh

2118
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:40,800
completion. 2027,

2119
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,320
again, the structural deficit is

2120
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,719
visually demonstrated between the blue

2121
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:47,679
bar at 2.9 million and 3.1 on the red

2122
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,159
bar, the $200,000 deficit, $400,000 in

2123
01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:51,920
the capital expenditures. 2028, 3

2124
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:54,080
million in revenues, 3.2 million

2125
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:57,280
operator operation expenditures with

2126
01:37:54,080 --> 01:38:00,800
400,000 in capital. Um, I'm going to

2127
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:04,639
give you one other forecast to look at.

2128
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:07,440
We removed capital capital from 2027

2129
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:11,280
and beyond.

2130
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:16,040
Um, this chart does may indicate some

2131
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:16,040
urgency in capital investment in 2026.

2132
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:22,159
Next one.

2133
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:24,239
All of the 1.7 million in capital

2134
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:25,840
expenses are listed here. You can

2135
01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:27,760
actually see this. Okay. in the chart

2136
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,600
and I did not mention this earlier maybe

2137
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:32,320
mostly for the folks at home in the

2138
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:34,000
attachments to this uh this item we have

2139
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,239
the summaries as attachments and they're

2140
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:39,040
hyperl so if you have any questions of

2141
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:40,239
any of the uh individual projects now we

2142
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,080
have great staff here to answer your

2143
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:44,800
questions uh you can hover over it click

2144
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:46,320
it'll take you directly to that page um

2145
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,560
again mostly for those folks walking at

2146
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:52,119
watching at home so significant capital

2147
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,119
expenditure here

2148
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:57,600
and some projects that did not make the

2149
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:02,040
recommended list. Here's a list of

2150
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:02,040
unfunded projects as well.

2151
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:06,159
So, staff has engaged the recreation

2152
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:09,920
advisory board on the following. It's

2153
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:12,080
modeling a number of fee increases

2154
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,600
and other items.

2155
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,760
The finance committee's direction at the

2156
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:18,480
May 18th meeting was to re-examine

2157
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:20,400
unlimited golf fees and residential

2158
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:21,760
preferences.

2159
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,000
The fund is expected to be

2160
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,000
self-sufficient covering operational and

2161
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:28,960
capital expenses.

2162
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:31,440
So council policy direction assuming the

2163
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,280
fund is expected to be self-sufficient

2164
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:34,800
covering both operational and capital

2165
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,800
expenses.

2166
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:40,880
Shall we remove or defer certain capital

2167
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:44,880
projects? Continue to explore 2027 fee

2168
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:46,159
rate adjustments. It should be noted I

2169
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,639
didn't know what you're going to say.

2170
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:51,119
Initial modeling suggests we cannot fee

2171
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:54,239
our way out of this um and that some

2172
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:56,400
other creativity is needed and while RAB

2173
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:58,639
has been engaged the stability of the

2174
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:01,880
fund will likely require a combination

2175
01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:01,880
of actions.

2176
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:07,600
» Yeah, just to expand on that. So um

2177
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:09,360
finance has done the modeling that RAB

2178
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:11,199
requested and then also what finance

2179
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,880
committee requested. And what it

2180
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:14,239
basically shows is when you include

2181
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:16,159
capital projects, which I want to say

2182
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:19,199
this is a modest list of capital

2183
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:22,239
projects, um, you have you would have to

2184
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:24,960
increase the fees. I think it was 55%

2185
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:27,119
in order to cover capital plus

2186
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:29,440
operational, which then you wouldn't

2187
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:33,600
have people coming to golf at Colreek

2188
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:35,440
Golf Course. And so realistically um if

2189
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,560
you if you look at the chart where it's

2190
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:40,480
removes capital I think kind of at best

2191
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:42,480
we can try to target to be able to cover

2192
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:46,560
our operational expenses through the

2193
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:48,880
fees through some fee increases but then

2194
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:52,639
we're going to need to rely more on the

2195
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:54,639
capital fund to fund capital projects at

2196
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:56,960
the golf course. So, and this is an

2197
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:59,600
enterprise fund and so recognition of

2198
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:03,199
that, but we don't see a path forward

2199
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:08,280
where the golf fund is 100% funding

2200
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:08,280
operations and capital projects.

2201
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:15,280
Note, we haven't told RAB this yet. That

2202
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:18,639
meeting is this Monday. So, there's a

2203
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:21,199
subcommittee that has seen the um the

2204
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:24,960
model for this, but the entire RAB group

2205
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:24,960
will see the model on Monday.

2206
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,159
In other words, what you were saying is

2207
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,719
that the information has been not been

2208
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:34,800
presented in a meeting, but the

2209
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:38,775
information is [snorts]

2210
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:40,000
obviously available now. Um, but just

2211
01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:43,600
[clears throat] to be clear about the

2212
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:47,119
public disclosure of that. Um

2213
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:49,760
I I guess I I wanted to to underscore I

2214
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:51,600
mean unless there's more of the

2215
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:54,800
presentation I think you've given us

2216
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:57,679
what we what we need. um just to

2217
01:41:54,800 --> 01:42:02,000
underscore the enterprise

2218
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:03,920
um nature of the of golf in in

2219
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:09,840
Lewisville and that's why we have a

2220
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:13,040
separate golf fund and um we in the old

2221
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:17,280
days after the particularly after the

2222
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:20,000
flood we had a lot of transfers

2223
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:24,719
um in subsidizing

2224
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:27,119
um things have gotten are uh better in

2225
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:30,239
terms of financials for the the golf

2226
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:32,480
fund, but we this is a pretty stark

2227
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:35,520
picture if you look back at at your

2228
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:38,239
earlier uh graph. So, we've got to

2229
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:41,920
wrestle with that a little bit and um

2230
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:44,480
maybe the first people have comments on

2231
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:48,159
either referring or deferring capital

2232
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:52,239
projects or exploring fee rate

2233
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:55,360
adjustments um or other matters.

2234
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:57,360
because May Pro 10 then

2235
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,440
council member Heather

2236
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,800
» I'm not necessarily suggesting we should

2237
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:02,159
do this if it's an option I'm just

2238
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:07,520
trying to understand what the options

2239
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:09,040
are um trust fund is that is this

2240
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,119
technically

2241
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:14,520
something that those funds could be used

2242
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:14,520
for or no

2243
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:19,840
» Uh they could from an operational

2244
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:21,280
standpoint I don't know what the

2245
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:23,280
restrictions are with it being an

2246
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,960
enterprise fund I think would be the

2247
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,080
hangup.

2248
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,520
» I don't know the answer to that

2249
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,840
question. I could look into it, but I

2250
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,840
could say as an enterprise fund external

2251
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:34,800
sources cannot whatever they are can

2252
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:36,400
exceed 10%. So on a $3 million fund,

2253
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:40,159
you're looking at a cap of external

2254
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:43,280
resources at 300,000 otherwise sub u

2255
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:44,400
jeopardizing its kind of enterprise

2256
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,639
nature.

2257
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,480
» Okay. So

2258
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:51,040
again, I'm not necessarily suggesting

2259
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:54,480
this should be done, but if that is

2260
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:57,440
something that can truly help be a

2261
01:43:54,480 --> 01:44:04,000
short-term bridge the gap until we can

2262
01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:06,800
amp up fees to cover more of our onm and

2263
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:09,360
capital projects.

2264
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:12,719
I don't know if there's any appetite for

2265
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:14,159
that discussion. Um, so I just wanted to

2266
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:16,800
throw that out there as an option with

2267
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:18,800
the other two that you mentioned.

2268
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,040
» Council member Afra.

2269
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:24,560
» Yeah, I just had a a specific question.

2270
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:27,920
I see we have a a CIP for design to

2271
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:30,480
expand or replace the clubhouse

2272
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:32,880
um in 28

2273
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:34,639
and and I thought we as a as as a group

2274
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,040
had more or less taken that off the

2275
01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:41,880
table. So I'm trying to understand why

2276
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:41,880
we have a CIP for the design work.

2277
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,960
» Director Blackmore, you could probably

2278
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,480
speak to this better than I, but total

2279
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,000
later in the presentation, we will get

2280
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:54,400
to board and commission requests of

2281
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:57,600
which this was one of the ones from Rob.

2282
01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,480
Yeah, I would just add that it is

2283
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:03,520
intended to be a site plan as much as an

2284
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:05,760
architectural design review for the

2285
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:09,199
feasibility of even being able to

2286
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:12,800
accomplish what the 2021

2287
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:15,679
um feasibility study suggested that if

2288
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,600
you recall the three options for either

2289
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:19,520
renovating the current building,

2290
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,960
expanding on the current footprint using

2291
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:23,520
the current building or a complete

2292
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:27,040
rebuild were those three options. And so

2293
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:30,080
this again to director Bailey's comment

2294
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:33,040
is partially driven by a desire from the

2295
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:35,920
rec board to continue to see some type

2296
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:39,119
of movement on what is an end of life

2297
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:41,679
building that's um for all intents and

2298
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:42,880
purposes uh you know not in great shape

2299
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:44,400
and is going to need some level of

2300
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:47,840
investment similar to some other

2301
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:50,320
buildings in this community. Um, but

2302
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,000
again, it can either, I think I

2303
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:54,800
mentioned in an email yesterday, it can

2304
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:56,480
either be put in unfunded, it can it's

2305
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,199
at the discretion, it can be moved to an

2306
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:02,080
outer year or it can be removed for this

2307
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:02,480
particular budget. Um, we're good

2308
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:07,360
either.

2309
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:10,400
» I wonder whether we might take that

2310
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:12,239
request out of order and just deal with

2311
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:14,239
it while we've got it, while we're

2312
01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:18,159
thinking about it. if Council Member

2313
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:21,440
Hefner raises a good point um because

2314
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:25,440
it's it at least the suggestion is to

2315
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:28,480
take the um replacement of the clubhouse

2316
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:31,920
off the table. Um I don't know how

2317
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:34,800
involved it is to explain what the board

2318
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:37,679
and commission suggestion is, but we may

2319
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:39,199
be able to give direction right now on

2320
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:41,920
that.

2321
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:43,760
That's fine with me and and I I think I

2322
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:46,239
would remove it just given the squeeze

2323
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:47,920
we have. I mean, it is it is a worthy

2324
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:50,880
project. It's not a bad project. We're

2325
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:52,639
just we're in a squeeze and

2326
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:55,440
why bother designing something that we

2327
01:46:52,639 --> 01:47:00,320
don't have the funds to ever build?

2328
01:46:55,440 --> 01:47:03,600
» Yeah. I'm just as a sort of respect for

2329
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:06,159
the for RAB I just you know maybe you

2330
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:08,480
can at least describe what it is and

2331
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,880
then we may decide exactly what

2332
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:10,080
» Sure.

2333
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,480
» Council member After talking about.

2334
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:16,000
» Yeah. And I think to council member

2335
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:19,360
Hefner's point as well, this work could

2336
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:22,080
certainly be incorporated into a future

2337
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:24,080
council's decision to consider a full

2338
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:26,320
clubhouse redesign, replacement,

2339
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:29,440
renovation project. that is obviously

2340
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:31,679
not included before you today. Um, and

2341
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:33,920
so that that message could be relayed as

2342
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:36,719
well. But again, the scope from a RAB

2343
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:40,400
perspective was a site analysis for a

2344
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:42,239
future footprint and have a uh rendering

2345
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,159
of some sort that could be utilized if

2346
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:45,040
we ever were to get to that point. But

2347
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:45,679
um,

2348
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,400
» Okay. [clears throat]

2349
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:49,920
» At a at a sta at a staff level,

2350
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:52,800
» It's fine.

2351
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,480
» Thank you. Um, let me Council Member

2352
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,159
Kern and Council Member Cooper and the

2353
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:58,560
Mayor Proton.

2354
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:01,760
» Great. Thanks. So, um, just to clarify

2355
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:04,480
for the day-to-day operations, um, we're

2356
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:07,040
going to run around $200,000 short with

2357
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:10,320
the current fee schedule that or the

2358
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,800
fees that we're proposing for 27 to 28,

2359
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:11,520
right? [clears throat]

2360
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:14,000
» Yes.

2361
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:17,280
» Okay. And did I understand correctly

2362
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:19,360
that there is a way through adjusting

2363
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,119
that or some other means that we could

2364
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,880
actually not have the day-to-day

2365
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:25,119
maintfall

2366
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,400
or is that not an option?

2367
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:28,639
» It is an option. We're currently

2368
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,000
modeling different free um opportunities

2369
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:31,199
running through RAB right now. So, it's

2370
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,960
kind of being baked.

2371
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:36,320
» Okay. Um, so one of the suggestions that

2372
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,239
I'm going to make and throw it out to

2373
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,760
everyone is, and [clears throat] I'm

2374
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:41,760
sorry because this suggestion actually

2375
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:45,360
adds more complexity, [laughter] Adam,

2376
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:48,080
to um to I think the the golf course,

2377
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:50,719
but it's instead of just having a subset

2378
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:52,480
of the wreck advisory board, we had a

2379
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:54,239
tremendous

2380
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:57,280
like outpour from the community of

2381
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:59,280
golfers who I think really didn't

2382
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:02,400
understand where the costs are, where

2383
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:05,360
the shortfalls are, and that the fees

2384
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,920
are changing. And I think when we're

2385
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:09,920
also talking about, you know, not

2386
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,679
creating a much of a difference between

2387
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:13,440
residents because it's an enterprise

2388
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,960
fund, but now we're talking about how

2389
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,960
much money is going to actually come

2390
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:20,880
from the residents in the form of

2391
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:23,199
capital projects. I think we need to be

2392
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:25,679
really mindful of this that the

2393
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:27,760
community is going to be making

2394
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:31,440
significant investments into this golf

2395
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:34,560
course in one way or another. And

2396
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:37,760
there might be a benefit in engaging

2397
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:41,040
some of those golfers who maybe we do it

2398
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:43,600
on the people who have the annual passes

2399
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:47,600
uh in this conversation. So to that

2400
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:50,639
everyone can better understand what the

2401
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:52,719
needs are, where the fees lay like how

2402
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:55,119
many residents versus non-residents

2403
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:58,480
golf. Can we do a discount for them? Can

2404
01:49:55,119 --> 01:50:01,040
we increase the non uh resident fees to

2405
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:04,639
to be at a balance so that it does

2406
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:06,400
justify the community's um continued

2407
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:08,159
investment in the golf course. That's

2408
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,679
what I'm putting out there as a as an

2409
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,280
option. So, it's not just the wreck

2410
01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:14,080
advisory board because I think that

2411
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:16,800
still created uh confusion in the

2412
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:20,159
community.

2413
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:23,840
» Thanks, Council Member Kern.

2414
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:26,080
Um um

2415
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,080
um I kind of like that idea too. I'm

2416
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:31,040
also wondering to what extent we'll get

2417
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:34,679
some of that information from the pros

2418
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:34,679
long range plan.

2419
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:42,719
» The long range plan will

2420
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:45,520
gauge community I guess support and

2421
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:47,440
engagement with the golf course itself

2422
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:50,320
and where it's seen as a value to the

2423
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:52,480
community. uh it doesn't have a specific

2424
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:54,239
pricing structure, right? Um it'll have

2425
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,920
some funding recommendations for future

2426
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:57,600
investments through granting and

2427
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,360
secondary funding opportunities, but I

2428
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,840
won't get into that level of detail.

2429
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:05,199
» Okay. Um

2430
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:08,239
and then so I had a small question on

2431
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:10,080
the the chart showing the fund balance

2432
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:11,600
for this year itself. That's a

2433
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:15,360
projection that we're going by the end

2434
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:16,960
of the year we'll be below the reserve.

2435
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:21,360
» That is the projection. Okay.

2436
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:25,600
» Yes. Um, and then

2437
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:27,440
also I'm wondering, um, aside from the

2438
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:30,239
clubhouse redesign, which I think we

2439
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:33,920
should probably drop from 20 um, from

2440
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:38,080
the CIP, if we look at the CIPs from the

2441
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:40,880
next two years mostly, um,

2442
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:42,320
are those things you that

2443
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:45,119
are there things in there that could

2444
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:47,760
possibly be delayed um, if we're looking

2445
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:49,440
for a longer term solution?

2446
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,960
um

2447
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:53,960
or some of those things sort of

2448
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,960
pressing.

2449
01:51:54,639 --> 01:52:00,159
» Uh I think with the majority of these

2450
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:02,320
there's the potential to delay with an

2451
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:04,800
understanding that that has operational

2452
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:06,880
impacts. Um you know things like the

2453
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,239
bunker renovations are partially funded

2454
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:11,440
this year. That's a second half of

2455
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:13,440
funding for next year. Um you know you

2456
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:16,080
explore alternative construction

2457
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:19,119
methods. you explore expanding life cy

2458
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:21,520
lifespans um that kind of thing. Um but

2459
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:23,760
similar to the building, you know, that

2460
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:26,960
particular part of the course is about

2461
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,800
10 years past life cycle uh that it was

2462
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,960
expected to have after the rebuild. And

2463
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:33,440
so uh with any of these, it's just a

2464
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:37,639
balance of operational impact and

2465
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:37,639
investment in the course itself.

2466
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,800
Council

2467
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:49,280
member Hefner, did you have comment?

2468
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,400
» No, I don't. I can make one, but I

2469
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,880
didn't have my hand up.

2470
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,920
» No, I'm not going to make you if you

2471
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,440
don't want to.

2472
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:58,880
» I I do think we might want to get back

2473
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:01,040
to the question here in front of us um

2474
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:04,679
as to whether to continue to engage RAB

2475
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,679
on the fee adjustments.

2476
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:08,920
» Council member

2477
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:18,080
I was just going to say I'm fine with

2478
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:20,080
removing the the redesign. I think we

2479
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:22,320
were pretty clear when we met with RAB

2480
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:26,840
last time of trying to reset what their

2481
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:26,840
expectations are around that. So,

2482
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:35,679
» I also agree with removing the the

2483
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:39,440
redesign from the process. I have a

2484
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:44,560
question though for Ryder. Um,

2485
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:47,760
if a group of golfers were to form a

2486
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:50,480
nonprofit 501c3

2487
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:52,719
and raise money,

2488
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:56,320
how much of that could they only raise

2489
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:59,320
300,000 a year to donate to the golf

2490
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:59,320
course?

2491
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:02,159
» I don't know the answer to that

2492
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:04,800
question, but it's certainly something I

2493
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:08,400
can look into. I mean, would that impact

2494
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:10,880
the the uh enterprise fund?

2495
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:13,760
» I I think my initial reaction would be

2496
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:15,840
maybe if it runs through our city if it

2497
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,760
runs through our city coffers, it would

2498
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:20,080
look to me like an additional subsidy on

2499
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:21,679
top of the enterprise fund. Maybe if it

2500
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,679
was outside of the city coffers,

2501
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:24,560
potentially that'd be a way to do this

2502
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:26,400
project. But

2503
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:29,040
» How could they how could they do that

2504
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,719
outside of the city coffers?

2505
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,000
» I don't know that pathway right now, so

2506
01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:35,719
I'd have to look into it.

2507
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,719
» Okay. Thank you,

2508
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,119
» Council Member Curtain.

2509
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,639
» Yeah, I I think that's a great idea that

2510
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:42,560
we've we've actually heard a lot of

2511
01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:44,320
comments from community members um and

2512
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,960
it's not like in the last 6 months, it's

2513
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:48,719
been for years that this might be one of

2514
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:51,599
the best ways to fund some of the bigger

2515
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:54,880
projects that maintain the course's um

2516
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:57,840
integrity and expand or improve the

2517
01:54:54,880 --> 01:55:00,159
clubhouse is through donations. And we

2518
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:02,000
currently don't have a path. So it' be

2519
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:04,480
nice to find out the legal path that

2520
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:06,560
that could be formed and then advise the

2521
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:08,639
appropriate organizations on how that

2522
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:12,400
might happen. I I I strongly support

2523
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:15,040
that. Uh but here's just an overarching

2524
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:16,960
question and I do get this from uh

2525
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:20,719
people who are not part of the golfing

2526
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:23,040
world but are residents which is this is

2527
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:24,880
an enterprise it cannot maintain itself.

2528
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:28,880
There are golf courses all across the

2529
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:30,960
country that can. So, what is it that is

2530
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:34,320
different with our golf course and how

2531
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:36,239
it's being managed or funded that that

2532
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:38,880
is done differently with private golf

2533
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:41,360
courses or different with other public

2534
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:43,520
golf courses that we're that we're not

2535
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:46,080
following that same model or and perhaps

2536
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:48,239
that's part of already what uh the new

2537
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:50,000
golf manager has come up with and and

2538
01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:52,000
the reason for some of the changes that

2539
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,440
we're seeing. But I'd be curious. It

2540
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,599
doesn't have to be an answer right now,

2541
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:57,520
but I'd be I would like actually for

2542
01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:59,440
that to to come and maybe it comes to

2543
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:01,599
the finance committee because this is

2544
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,760
just such a big piece of it is figuring

2545
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:06,000
out, you know, what what do they do

2546
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,840
differently to stay solvent in other

2547
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:10,400
communities that we're not for somehow

2548
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:14,159
able to do.

2549
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:18,880
Um [clears throat] I think we have a um

2550
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:22,480
consensus to defer the uh redesign of

2551
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:25,599
the clubhouse and uh I think we've had

2552
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:27,760
discussion about exploring fee rate

2553
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:29,520
adjustments. There's a number of things

2554
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,760
which I don't think are necessarily

2555
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:35,040
budget items but are sort of operational

2556
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:39,199
issues for the um director to consider

2557
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:43,679
about involving um uh community members.

2558
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:46,800
I have very for I'll just say this very

2559
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:48,480
big concerns about advising about having

2560
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:53,599
our

2561
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:58,800
council advise about um uh lawfulness of

2562
01:56:53,599 --> 01:57:00,320
or sort of supporting a a 503 but that's

2563
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:04,480
something that I think we can sort of

2564
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:07,520
deal with separately um and um if

2565
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:12,080
there's a chance to help a group of

2566
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:15,199
people um move toward a you know um that

2567
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:17,840
kind of arrangement. I mean that's it's

2568
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:20,239
all good. I think um just want to flag

2569
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:24,000
that. Um but I don't know. Do you need

2570
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:26,400
any further?

2571
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:29,920
» Um what I'm hearing is we will continue

2572
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:32,239
to explore the adjustments with RAB. Um

2573
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:35,360
what the city manager said and and I do

2574
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:36,719
agree to. I I think it's uh maybe a goal

2575
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:39,040
would be get to covering our

2576
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:41,679
operational. I think above and beyond

2577
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:43,360
that will be extremely challenging. Um

2578
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:46,159
so if I don't have a decision or

2579
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:48,239
direction today on uh the potential of

2580
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:50,080
subsidizing capital projects or

2581
01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:52,480
deferring or eliminating them for the

2582
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:56,560
fund, uh I would expect that discussion

2583
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:59,760
at the at a CIP deeper discussion.

2584
01:57:56,560 --> 01:58:02,880
» Okay. Yep. Council member,

2585
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:04,320
» Just on on the RAB point,

2586
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:07,040
I I think it's really important to

2587
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:09,760
continue to engage RAB. I think they

2588
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:12,080
need to take a a hard look at all of the

2589
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:14,320
fee structure, not just the daily green

2590
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,920
fees, but the annual passes, resident

2591
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:18,320
preference, so on. I assume that's part

2592
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:22,159
of what they're doing. And then I think

2593
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:23,760
it needs to come to us because

2594
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:26,719
in in a lot of ways, what we're seeing

2595
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:28,560
here is the golf course is in crisis and

2596
01:58:26,719 --> 01:58:30,960
I don't think it's entirely fair to put

2597
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:33,119
it on RAB to solve the crisis. I really

2598
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,960
want their recommendation and then it

2599
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:39,199
needs to come back to us to make a hard

2600
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:41,119
decision about how to write the ship. It

2601
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:45,199
is it is an enterprise fund. It's meant

2602
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:48,080
to be operated as an enterprise and we

2603
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:51,360
should think very carefully before we

2604
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,280
start pouring capital fund money in uh

2605
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:56,400
above and beyond the 10% a year that's

2606
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:58,000
allowed for an enterprise. And I think

2607
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,239
as part of that, and I I just want to

2608
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:02,400
say this out loud, I think everything

2609
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:06,800
needs to be on the table, including

2610
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:08,639
entirely eliminating unlimited golf,

2611
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,719
resident preferences only on booking,

2612
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:12,719
not on pricing,

2613
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:14,880
deferring any capital projects that can

2614
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:17,360
possibly be deferred.

2615
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:19,679
Um, removing any expenses related to

2616
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:21,360
clubhouse replacement or expansion. I

2617
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:23,360
know the design is a big one. If there

2618
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:26,159
are others, I think they need to come

2619
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:28,880
out. and then coming back after

2620
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:31,920
engagement with RAB to us w with a

2621
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:34,719
detailed comprehensive financial picture

2622
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:37,679
if we pull every lever we have how close

2623
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:41,280
are we

2624
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:44,080
» Director did you have a comment

2625
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:48,159
» Just a comment because to council member

2626
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:51,280
Karn's point we do hear a lot of

2627
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:54,480
feedback about comparison course to

2628
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:58,800
course operation to operation

2629
01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:02,480
And I would just caution council

2630
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:05,360
on how that message is being given,

2631
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:07,840
researched, portrayed. Uh the golf

2632
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:10,719
industry is unlike any other business in

2633
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:13,599
the city as to where it really is apples

2634
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:15,760
to oranges across the board. So there

2635
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:19,119
may be things at certain local courses

2636
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:20,880
that council or the golfers would find

2637
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:24,159
palatable. there may be other things

2638
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:28,639
that would seem just extreme. And so I

2639
02:00:24,159 --> 02:00:30,400
think to try to wrap that into

2640
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:32,239
kind of a happy package of well this

2641
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:34,159
golf course is profitable why aren't

2642
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:36,719
you? I think that's a very slippery

2643
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:38,800
slope. Um

2644
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:41,040
we can certainly do the research if

2645
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,960
that's something that's requested and

2646
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:45,679
bring that back. But I do think that we

2647
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:47,520
still have to be able to operate

2648
02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:49,440
within some of the confines of our

2649
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:52,000
particular structure. Whether that comes

2650
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:54,560
to really high dollar things like

2651
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:56,080
utility cost, footing the bill of all

2652
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:58,400
capital,

2653
02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:01,360
um providing incentive and benefit to

2654
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:05,679
our regular users or residents, not

2655
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:07,760
becoming a membership country club style

2656
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:10,159
minimum food and beverage merchandise

2657
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:12,239
type of course that offsets their extra

2658
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:15,840
expenses by getting that from their

2659
02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:17,760
members. Um, so I just I don't know

2660
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:19,920
exactly what the answer is, but as we

2661
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:23,199
move through this, I think that as we

2662
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:25,760
express problems or crisis that need to

2663
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:28,000
be resolved, there is this inclination

2664
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:29,679
to go straight to, well, I don't think

2665
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:32,080
this other course is having this type of

2666
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:34,480
a problem without really a full

2667
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:36,480
understanding of the history. There

2668
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:39,119
could have been decades in the making on

2669
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:40,719
how they got to that point or what the

2670
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:43,040
future looks like. The future didn't

2671
02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:45,520
look like this in 2014.

2672
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:48,719
because all of these bills hadn't come

2673
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:50,239
to fruition yet for the next generation

2674
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:54,000
of maintenance as it relates to the

2675
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:56,719
course. So, I just want to say that

2676
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:58,560
» Um just [clears throat] to clarify and

2677
02:01:56,719 --> 02:02:00,960
council member Kon can certainly correct

2678
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:05,199
me on her understanding, but I I took

2679
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:10,159
her point is more focusing on ways in

2680
02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:13,679
which um the golf course could be uh run

2681
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:16,239
more efficiently and and so forth than

2682
02:02:13,679 --> 02:02:18,800
than necessarily. I think she gave one

2683
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:21,920
example of how to do that, but I or how

2684
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:24,639
to compare it, but I I I think we all

2685
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:27,520
appreciate your expertise and the

2686
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:30,639
challenge of saying certain things that

2687
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:33,119
are really going to be more problematic

2688
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:36,800
uh than addressing the any

2689
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:40,000
inefficiencies and so forth. Um, I I

2690
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:42,800
want to make sure that we are uh the

2691
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:44,560
next couple of items, the uh city

2692
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:47,440
manager operational and personnel

2693
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:50,159
recommendation adjustments, the service

2694
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:53,119
level reductions, those are going to be

2695
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:55,599
covered later in the presentation. So,

2696
02:02:53,119 --> 02:02:59,599
we can skip over that. I think the the

2697
02:02:55,599 --> 02:03:04,080
only other uh parks wreck open space

2698
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:07,280
item is just the recreation debt fund.

2699
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:08,560
Correct. And is that Go ahead.

2700
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,560
» Uh, mayor, I am going to get to the

2701
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,800
recreation debt fund mill later in this

2702
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:15,360
presentation. I've got two more funds

2703
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:16,719
before our planned break. They um their

2704
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:18,400
big funds, the recreation fund and the

2705
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:20,880
consolidated utilities, but I am not

2706
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:22,800
seeking council decision points for the

2707
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:24,639
next two funds. So, we can go through

2708
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,760
them and hit a planned break in a few

2709
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:26,080
minutes or we could take a break now,

2710
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:31,679
whatever.

2711
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:34,800
» No, we'll go ahead and uh soldier on.

2712
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:37,199
» Wonderful. Thank you. Um, the recreation

2713
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:38,960
fund. The recreation fund supports the

2714
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:42,400
recreation and senior center built in

2715
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:44,159
1990 uh renovated in 20 uh 2019. That's

2716
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,320
world class. You've all been there. It

2717
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:48,639
also includes robust senior services

2718
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:51,599
which includes the Brooks Cafe for daily

2719
02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:53,440
lunches. Uh has trips, promotes health

2720
02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:54,960
and community for seniors and also

2721
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:57,280
events like last week's ice cream

2722
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:59,360
social. Um also within this fund is the

2723
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:01,199
Memory Square pool uh at Memory Square

2724
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:02,880
Park. This is all managed under the

2725
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:06,880
expert and tenured leadership of Miss

2726
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:08,320
Kathy Martin and her amazing staff. Um

2727
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:10,800
again, recreation fund structurally

2728
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:12,719
balanced in 2027 2028. However, we do

2729
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:16,320
fall below the renewal and replacement

2730
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:17,679
target in 29 and beyond. Um this fund

2731
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,840
like the golf fund which I did not

2732
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:22,960
mention has has been receiving the

2733
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:26,480
allocation of central funds uh central

2734
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:30,159
departments in 2025 I'm sorry in the

2735
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:33,040
current year 2026 that included um HR

2736
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:34,159
and finance in 2027 it now includes IT

2737
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,920
as well. So we're finally getting

2738
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:38,159
through uh allocating all our central

2739
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:40,639
costs to enterprise funds. We did shift

2740
02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:44,719
the ICE rank to the out of this fund

2741
02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:46,719
into the general fund um 5.05 05 FT

2742
02:04:44,719 --> 02:04:48,159
recommended additions, two full-time

2743
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:50,159
positions, a youth and sports

2744
02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:53,760
coordinator and a recreation assistant

2745
02:04:50,159 --> 02:04:56,320
nights uh at a point8 or 32-hour week, a

2746
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:59,040
sliver of the pro uh parks recreation

2747
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:02,599
open space director and some variables

2748
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:02,599
uh mostly lifeguards.

2749
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:06,880
Um again, you've seen this chart. It's

2750
02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:08,080
above the minimum throughout the model

2751
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,760
uh but falling short in some of the

2752
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:13,400
outer years on saving enough for the

2753
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:13,400
renewal and replacement.

2754
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:18,239
Here are all the capital projects

2755
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:20,560
include with included within the model

2756
02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:22,400
and in the preliminary CIP. I believe

2757
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:24,159
it's continued on to the next slide.

2758
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:26,159
Again, within your attachments, the

2759
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:28,960
project names are hyper hyperl to their

2760
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:30,400
individual pages with one project not

2761
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:35,320
being recommended for funding. That's

2762
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:35,320
the skate park impart improvements.

2763
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:40,400
That is the recreation fund. I will

2764
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:42,159
pause if there's any questions or

2765
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:43,599
comments, but I am not seeking council

2766
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:45,360
decisions. So, if you'd like me to move

2767
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:46,560
on, I can continue on to consolidated

2768
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:48,560
utilities.

2769
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:51,280
» Any questions?

2770
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:51,840
» Uh, we can go ahead, council member

2771
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,880
Cooperman.

2772
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:56,480
» Um, just to be clear, um, not only in

2773
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:59,119
the recreation fund, but when you cite

2774
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:00,880
the additional positions, those have

2775
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:01,760
been incorporated into the modeling.

2776
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:05,400
» That is correct.

2777
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:05,400
» Okay. Thank you.

2778
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:10,000
» Any other questions? Go ahead. Good job,

2779
02:06:09,267 --> 02:06:12,320
[laughter]

2780
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:15,760
» Council Member Afar.

2781
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:19,119
» Um, just big picture, are we expecting

2782
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:21,360
to try and get this fund to a position

2783
02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:23,679
where it is meeting either the minimum

2784
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:27,920
reserve or target reserve by the end of

2785
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:30,400
the forecast period or is that not a

2786
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:32,320
goal?

2787
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:35,440
» Uh, council member, that is of course a

2788
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:37,920
goal. One of the challenges with the the

2789
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:40,000
renewal and replacement target is oftent

2790
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:42,880
times these replacements extend beyond

2791
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:44,800
the modeling. So in my tenure here, I've

2792
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:47,840
often seen a delta between the amount in

2793
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:50,320
the bank and achieving that dotted line.

2794
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:52,960
Um it's a little bit of a timing thing

2795
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:55,280
depending on how many how much equipment

2796
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,639
is purchased in each year. Um it's

2797
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:58,639
something that we monitor annually with

2798
02:06:56,639 --> 02:06:59,920
the finance committee. Um, I think

2799
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:01,840
within that dotted line, it's also

2800
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:04,239
important to to understand that it's

2801
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:06,239
factoring in larger components of the

2802
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:08,079
building. Um, so part of that dotted

2803
02:07:06,239 --> 02:07:10,000
line is a percentage of the building's

2804
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:12,400
costs. So, it's really doing its best

2805
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:13,920
to, you know, achieve saving enough to

2806
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:16,639
replace all the components within its

2807
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:18,000
building. Um, a lot of words to say that

2808
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:20,960
it's something that we are doing our

2809
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:23,440
best to achieve and monitor, but um, it

2810
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:25,840
is challenging to um, manage the

2811
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:29,199
day-to-day and save enough to replace

2812
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:29,199
all those facilities.

2813
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:35,199
So is that sorry is that no

2814
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,440
» Don't have that plan today something

2815
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,119
that

2816
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:39,119
» So so we're expecting to essentially

2817
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:41,760
adopt a budget that leaves probably

2818
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:44,639
leaves this fund projected to fall below

2819
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:47,280
the minimum

2820
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:50,000
» Um not the minimum reserve but the the

2821
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:52,079
enough to replace parts of the building.

2822
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,920
The dotted line is place uh equipment

2823
02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:56,239
and pieces components of the building.

2824
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:58,719
So, operationally, yes, but not all the

2825
02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:00,320
equipment.

2826
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:02,639
» Council member Kern,

2827
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:05,199
» Thank you. And can you remind us of what

2828
02:08:02,639 --> 02:08:06,800
the revenue sources are for the rec

2829
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:08,400
fund?

2830
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:11,280
» Council member, yes. This is what I like

2831
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:13,199
to call a three-legged stool. Um, about

2832
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:15,920
half of the revenues come from user

2833
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:20,560
fees. Um, and then the other two pieces

2834
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:22,719
are the general fund subsidy and the uh

2835
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:25,679
dedicated and perpetual sales and use

2836
02:08:22,719 --> 02:08:28,400
tax that voters approved in 2017. So

2837
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:30,400
about 50% user fees and about 25% those

2838
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:32,000
other two buckets, sales tax, dedicated

2839
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:34,000
and general fund transfer.

2840
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:38,639
» And the property tax component is just

2841
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:39,840
to repay for the building that we built

2842
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:40,320
about 10 years ago.

2843
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:43,840
» Correct.

2844
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:46,560
» Okay. And so then we so we moved we

2845
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,639
moved the ice rink out of wreck so that

2846
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:50,320
this would balance

2847
02:08:48,639 --> 02:08:51,920
because otherwise then we would not be

2848
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:52,800
balanced. But it's still a general fund

2849
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,560
expense that we're going to have to

2850
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,400
figure out how to pay for. So we just

2851
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:58,719
moved it so that this

2852
02:08:56,400 --> 02:09:01,199
» We did move it. Yes, it is in the

2853
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,719
current general fund modeling um as it

2854
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:04,400
stands today

2855
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:06,000
» Versus just transferring more of the

2856
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:08,880
general fund into the wreck. Okay. Thank

2857
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:14,079
you.

2858
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:18,719
Any other questions on this one? Okay,

2859
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:21,119
thank you. Go ahead. Um, continuing on

2860
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:23,760
with our consolidated utility funds,

2861
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:26,000
notable impacts for 2027 2028 are the

2862
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:28,400
impacts of future development, potential

2863
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:30,480
drought impacts, fee adjustment

2864
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:32,159
methodology. We're seeking smoothing,

2865
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:34,800
consistency, and predictability in

2866
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:36,719
revenues uh while remaining competitive.

2867
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:36,800
a change in accounting methodology pra p

2868
02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:36,800
p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p

2869
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:38,800
p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p

2870
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:41,440
practice in how we plan and budget for

2871
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:43,920
tap fee revenues, switching to ar a

2872
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:46,800
rears versus projections.

2873
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:48,880
Uh bonding um as you'll see in the chart

2874
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:51,360
is likely needed to smooth out some of

2875
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:54,000
our large and major uh capital projects

2876
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:56,000
including raw water integration, solid

2877
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:58,000
residuals, and the Sid Copeland admin

2878
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:00,639
building. Preliminary total capital

2879
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:03,599
investment 27 through 32 is robust at

2880
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:06,079
67.2 million. It also includes within

2881
02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:07,360
the modeling additional personnel. I

2882
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:08,880
talked about this previously on the

2883
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:10,880
general fund side. Here are the other

2884
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:12,800
pieces of those employees. The

2885
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:17,400
construction storm water inspector,

2886
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:17,400
operations tech, and civil engineer.

2887
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:24,719
Here is the long-term financial forecast

2888
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:27,840
for the utility funds. Um, as you can

2889
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:30,079
see, um, robust capital expenditures

2890
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:32,719
projected throughout the model, um, in

2891
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:35,360
excess of what we're able to cash flow.

2892
02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:37,040
So, while we're looking at revenues,

2893
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:40,800
rates, and fees, we're also going to be

2894
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:44,040
exploring, um, financing some of these

2895
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:44,040
major projects.

2896
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:48,239
The next handful of slides are all of

2897
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:50,079
the capital projects included in the

2898
02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:51,599
model. You don't need to spend enough a

2899
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,440
lot of time on this. You guys can click

2900
02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:57,760
through at your leisure. and a few

2901
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:59,440
unfunded projects towards the end.

2902
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:01,599
That's what I have for consolidated

2903
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:03,520
utilities. Uh, no decision points right

2904
02:11:01,599 --> 02:11:05,119
now, but welcome feedback and

2905
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:07,199
discussion.

2906
02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:09,679
» Are there any council questions? Council

2907
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:12,000
member Coopermanman.

2908
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:16,639
» Um, so back to the chart showing the

2909
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:19,599
fund balances. Um, so in 2028, we're

2910
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:21,760
dipping below the minimum reserve.

2911
02:11:19,599 --> 02:11:24,639
Um, do we need to resolve that before we

2912
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,440
adopt the budget for that next few

2913
02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:26,000
years?

2914
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,679
» Yes.

2915
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,480
» Okay. And you think that we can resolve

2916
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:32,239
it through these financing kinds of

2917
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,920
options or

2918
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:36,079
» Yes. The way I see it, you two levers.

2919
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:38,239
We can uh spend some time going through

2920
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:40,880
the capital projects that are contained

2921
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:43,119
um sharpen the pencil potentially defer

2922
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:44,480
um and or look at a financing model

2923
02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:46,639
where you can kind of spread them out

2924
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:50,920
over future years. Right.

2925
02:11:46,639 --> 02:11:50,920
» Okay. Other

2926
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:59,199
questions?

2927
02:11:54,719 --> 02:12:02,960
Um, is there any appetite right now for

2928
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:05,360
identifying any items in the CIP that

2929
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:06,960
are worth

2930
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:11,159
um

2931
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:11,159
considering cuts on?

2932
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:15,679
» Sorry, for utilities or in general?

2933
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:18,480
» Uh, no, no, no. I'm talking about

2934
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:24,560
utilities. I'm I'm talking about the

2935
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:26,079
one, two, three and a half pages of

2936
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:27,920
projects.

2937
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:30,960
» Yes, Council Member Curry. I think

2938
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:32,800
unless um Director Cow has um any

2939
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:35,679
recommendations on ways that we could

2940
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:37,440
smooth it out a little bit, uh this is

2941
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:39,440
clearly been identified as from our

2942
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:42,239
community, from our residents as like

2943
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:44,639
among the highest of priorities um and

2944
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:47,520
core service that they would like to

2945
02:12:44,639 --> 02:12:48,960
maintain the high standards on. And I

2946
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:50,560
don't really think that this is the

2947
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:52,159
place where we do the cutting. I think

2948
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:56,320
that we do the cutting in in things that

2949
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:58,639
are less mandatory to daily life and uh

2950
02:12:56,320 --> 02:13:00,639
the drought conditions we were in and

2951
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:02,400
that we continue to anticipate. I think

2952
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,920
a lot of these expenses are related to

2953
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:06,480
like water rights and other things if

2954
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:08,719
I'm not mistaken. Um and we hear over

2955
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:10,719
and over and over again, what about

2956
02:13:08,719 --> 02:13:12,960
more? What about doing it for ponds? So

2957
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:15,599
I I'm my concern would be to find a way

2958
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:17,520
to reduce some of this. I think we we

2959
02:13:15,599 --> 02:13:20,159
have to we almost have to figure out a

2960
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:22,000
way to fund it. um unless again the

2961
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:23,440
director is able to come up with some

2962
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:26,800
good recommendations on how we don't

2963
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:28,560
have to cut necessarily but can maybe

2964
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:30,560
postpone to make it the numbers work

2965
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:32,480
better.

2966
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:34,079
» I think director Bailey summed it up

2967
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:36,400
well. I think we're going to smooth some

2968
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:38,719
things out with financing. We've moved

2969
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:40,960
from a pay as you go model to a

2970
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:43,840
financing model. Just costs are

2971
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:47,040
increasing faster than our appetite for

2972
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:49,679
increasing rates. Uh we did discuss with

2973
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:52,000
the finance committee some concepts last

2974
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:54,079
week just there's a lot of factors

2975
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:57,760
converging on us whether it's climate

2976
02:13:54,079 --> 02:14:01,199
change costs uh various thing growth

2977
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,960
that will will come or is planned and so

2978
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,960
we're I think we're going through a

2979
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:07,760
pivot point or a paradigm shift with

2980
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:09,760
utility of

2981
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:11,280
what does the future look like. So,

2982
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:14,320
we're going to run a pretty standard

2983
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:16,320
rate model that shows financing options

2984
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:18,400
for this year and then over the course

2985
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:21,040
of the next two to three years, we're

2986
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:23,119
analyzing our tap fees and our tier

2987
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:25,679
structure to see how to accomplish our

2988
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:27,520
goals in a reasonable way.

2989
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:30,159
» So, along with that, that would be then

2990
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:32,639
taking into consideration some of the um

2991
02:14:30,159 --> 02:14:34,000
possible new development that were for

2992
02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:35,520
and I don't mean red tail because that's

2993
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,800
a separate negotiated thing. I mean any

2994
02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:38,079
of the new residential or other

2995
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:38,560
businesses.

2996
02:14:38,079 --> 02:14:40,320
» Yes.

2997
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,880
» Okay. It's all encompassing.

2998
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:45,280
» Okay, good.

2999
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:46,800
» Other thoughts?

3000
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:50,159
» Yes, council member.

3001
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:53,679
» I I just had one specific question on

3002
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:57,440
the Sid Copeland administration building

3003
02:14:53,679 --> 02:15:01,360
that the CIP form says final design is

3004
02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:04,480
anticipated through the remainder of 26,

3005
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:06,639
but then we have $400,000 of design cost

3006
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:08,239
in 28.

3007
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:09,840
» Yeah. I just think that was an artifact

3008
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,320
that we missed.

3009
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:13,920
» Okay.

3010
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:15,360
» So, we had 116 project sheets and we

3011
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:17,520
missed it on this one.

3012
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:18,320
» So, so we don't need the 420.

3013
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:18,880
» I don't think we do.

3014
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,159
» Great.

3015
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:22,079
» Yeah. We're not going to double up on

3016
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:23,760
consulting. Yeah.

3017
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:25,760
» And you guys are always a final check

3018
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:27,920
when we bring a contract to you of like

3019
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:30,079
this is a good use of our money or a bad

3020
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:31,840
use. So, uh there's always a filter

3021
02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:34,560
there if we're not using consultants.

3022
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:35,199
Well,

3023
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,360
» Other questions.

3024
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:40,320
» Easy peasy.

3025
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:44,159
comments. Yes, Council Member Cooperman.

3026
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:46,800
» Yeah, one specific question. Um, for 27

3027
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:49,360
and 28, their line items for water

3028
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:50,960
rights acquisitions. Are we are those

3029
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:54,880
pretty definite? We think we really want

3030
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:56,960
to acquire some rights in those years or

3031
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:59,119
» We know from all our hopes and dreams

3032
02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,679
that we have to go acquire water rights

3033
02:15:59,119 --> 02:16:04,079
and we try to guess the best year to

3034
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:06,719
kind of do that. We also try to have

3035
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:08,560
that money balance out cash flow. So, if

3036
02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:11,040
we have a large project year, we might

3037
02:16:08,560 --> 02:16:12,960
move the water to a different year. That

3038
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:14,719
said, uh, and some of you that have been

3039
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:16,560
on council for a while, we're always

3040
02:16:14,719 --> 02:16:17,760
shopping for water. And if there's a

3041
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:19,119
good opportunity, we're going to come to

3042
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:21,199
you. We're going to say we need to go

3043
02:16:19,119 --> 02:16:23,840
spend$1 or2 million to get this good

3044
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:25,599
opportunity. So, I both things are

3045
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:30,760
always in play. But for now, that's a

3046
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:30,760
best guess. Balancing cash flow.

3047
02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:39,280
I would like to note that RAB requested

3048
02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:41,760
that we put money in the budget to

3049
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:45,359
acquire water rights for Col Creek Golf

3050
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:47,679
Course. Um we are not recommending that

3051
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:49,519
for funding at this point in time. The

3052
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:52,160
amount that's in there, you know, water

3053
02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:54,160
rights right now are so costly. Um and

3054
02:16:52,160 --> 02:16:55,920
we have other priorities that we need to

3055
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:59,960
fund. So that is a project that we're

3056
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:59,960
not recommending for approval.

3057
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:07,200
Thank you for clarifying that.

3058
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:10,960
Other comments? Um I appreciate the

3059
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:15,519
council member Karn's um comment about

3060
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:20,319
expectations. I think um

3061
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:23,439
this is a a high priority area. Um uh as

3062
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:25,200
as are a number of others. I I think we

3063
02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:27,519
just have to bear in mind that just

3064
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:30,319
because we've got high priority areas

3065
02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:31,840
that they're not off limits to further

3066
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:35,359
consideration. At least from my

3067
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:38,479
standpoint, I want to make sure we um

3068
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:40,160
aren't directing council and I if

3069
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:43,439
council member Kern feels differently.

3070
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:45,840
Obviously, that's a thing, but um that

3071
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:48,800
we're not saying don't bring us back any

3072
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:50,960
changes to this because we don't need to

3073
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:52,399
consider them. I didn't think

3074
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:55,439
» No, that's what I said. I was asking the

3075
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:56,960
director like I mean and I was um as an

3076
02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:58,479
alternate for the finance committee, I

3077
02:17:56,960 --> 02:17:59,920
attend every single meeting and and

3078
02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:02,160
listen in on the conversations and

3079
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:04,160
usually add my two cents. Uh so I was

3080
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:06,000
very much paying attention to um the

3081
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:08,639
last finance committee meeting and on

3082
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:09,840
this topic and I think there is

3083
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:11,599
definitely room for a lot more

3084
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:13,120
conversation. I think we have to get

3085
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:16,319
creative about how we pay for my point

3086
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:18,559
is this is not a choice in whether we

3087
02:18:16,319 --> 02:18:21,040
pay for these things. It is we have to

3088
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:24,080
find the best method forward versus

3089
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:25,760
eliminating I think the community needs

3090
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:27,840
this investment is what I'm trying to

3091
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:30,960
say.

3092
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:34,639
» Okay. You're not talking about any given

3093
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:38,000
» One of these. All right. Um good. Um I

3094
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:39,920
do you have the direction that you need?

3095
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:41,439
Not that you asked for it because I

3096
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:44,080
think you said expressly you weren't

3097
02:18:41,439 --> 02:18:46,000
asking for for direction but our council

3098
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:47,599
is comfortable giving you direction even

3099
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:50,960
though you don't ask for it and that's

3100
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:54,960
our job of course. So let's uh take a

3101
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:56,719
break for 10 minutes be back at 228 and

3102
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:59,599
uh we'll tackle the rest of this. I

3103
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:02,160
would say that we're about halfway

3104
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:05,639
through so this is a we're going at a

3105
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:05,639
pretty good clip.

3106
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:37,680
Um,

3107
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:40,399
» We're missing one council member.

3108
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:43,760
» Disappeared, I think, for just a moment.

3109
02:29:40,399 --> 02:29:47,600
Um, but I want why don't we go ahead

3110
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:53,040
just in terms of

3111
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:55,680
» Thanks. Um just we wanted to um address

3112
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:57,520
one issue that didn't get addressed this

3113
02:29:55,680 --> 02:30:00,319
morning. Council member Kern,

3114
02:29:57,520 --> 02:30:01,920
» Thank you. Um oh actually I do need to

3115
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:04,720
wait for for Director Blackmore to get

3116
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:07,439
back. It's he's 100% relevant in in my

3117
02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:08,560
comments. So once he returns then if you

3118
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:09,200
wouldn't mind circling back that' be

3119
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:10,000
awesome.

3120
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:12,560
» Thank you.

3121
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:13,920
» Um

3122
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:15,520
» Yes, director

3123
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:17,600
» Mayor. Let's continue. So I'm going to

3124
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:19,200
hand this off to Mahar and he's going to

3125
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:20,399
go through some revenues then our uh

3126
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:22,479
then James will handle some

3127
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:26,319
expenditures. So be uh we'll we'll be

3128
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:28,240
sharing it for next few slides.

3129
02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:30,399
» Take us away.

3130
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:32,479
Thank you all for joining back after the

3131
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:35,040
break. We're going to go over major

3132
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:39,280
revenue assumptions. These consist of

3133
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:43,040
property tax and sales tax.

3134
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:45,840
We will start with mill levy changes. In

3135
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:48,240
2027, the city will be suspending the

3136
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:52,479
temporary mill levy credit on the rec

3137
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:54,800
center debt mill levy. Uh as just some

3138
02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:59,680
background, voters approved a mill levy

3139
02:30:54,800 --> 02:31:02,160
up to 3.35 mills with uh with a

3140
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:05,680
restriction that the tax revenues of

3141
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:10,240
this rec center uh debt not to exceed

3142
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:14,399
1.2 $1.82 million annually. uh the rec

3143
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:19,040
center deck can uh no longer absorb any

3144
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:22,160
uh excess uh revenues. So

3145
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:25,600
we've uh we've updated that. Uh so the

3146
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:28,880
sorry the changes for the uh mill levy

3147
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:32,160
are resetting the uh rec center debt

3148
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:35,120
from excuse me to 1.7

3149
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:37,680
from 1.375 mills. Overall the

3150
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:40,399
Louiswisville mill levy will change to

3151
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:44,200
6.88. 884

3152
02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:44,200
from 6.559.

3153
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:50,720
In this chart, we're going to show

3154
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:53,920
property tax uh revenue changes. Blue

3155
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:56,479
bars are general property tax, orange

3156
02:31:53,920 --> 02:32:00,840
rec center debt, and the yellow line is

3157
02:31:56,479 --> 02:32:00,840
the city's total mill levy.

3158
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:06,800
Just as a uh reminder that the uh mill

3159
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:08,880
levy reduction that we had uh the

3160
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:11,920
temporary mill levy reduction we had

3161
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:14,960
done was to offset the increased

3162
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:18,640
assessed values.

3163
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:20,720
In total our city mills are at 6.559. Uh

3164
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:22,720
this chart breaks out the two went over

3165
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:25,040
blue being general, orange being rec

3166
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:27,439
center and the yellow bar at top just

3167
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:30,439
showing your total mill levies in the

3168
02:32:27,439 --> 02:32:30,439
city.

3169
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:34,880
This next chart highlights uh

3170
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:37,920
year-over-year changes while calling out

3171
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:40,479
2026 and 2027

3172
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:43,439
property tax revenues. Same as last time

3173
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:46,080
where blue is your general and orange

3174
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:49,720
rec center debt. The yellow bar showing

3175
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:49,720
changes year-over-year.

3176
02:32:56,000 --> 02:33:03,920
This uh next slide is uh showing for

3177
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:06,399
every property tax dollar collected

3178
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:10,240
within the city of Lewisville. Where

3179
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:12,319
does it go? 7 cents of that dollar comes

3180
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:13,920
to the city of Lewisville. Majority of

3181
02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:16,640
it goes to Boulder Valley School

3182
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:19,359
District, followed by Boulder County,

3183
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:23,200
Lewisville Fire District, Seven Sense to

3184
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:26,200
the City, North uh Colorado Water, and

3185
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:26,200
UDFC.

3186
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:34,319
This slide is basically showing for

3187
02:33:30,880 --> 02:33:36,960
every dollar that's collected for City

3188
02:33:34,319 --> 02:33:40,080
of Lewisville sales tax, where does that

3189
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:43,280
dollar get divvied up? Most of it 53

3190
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:45,840
cents goes to general fund. The next big

3191
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:48,560
one is capital fund. About 26 cents of

3192
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:52,960
that will go there. Followed by open

3193
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:55,920
space 8 cents, parks at 5 cents,

3194
02:33:52,960 --> 02:34:00,680
recreation center 4 cents, and finally

3195
02:33:55,920 --> 02:34:00,680
historic preservation at 3 cents.

3196
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:09,760
This chart is showing sales tax uh

3197
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:13,040
revenue year-over-year changes and total

3198
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:17,680
revenue assumptions.

3199
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:20,720
Uh just some notes. Um in this uh in

3200
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:24,160
this projection we do have a few things

3201
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:27,439
taken into account which are king supers

3202
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:29,760
opening up. uh certain things have not

3203
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:32,560
uh have not been incorporated into this

3204
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:37,240
such as Sundance Film Festival and uh

3205
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:37,240
Red Tail Ridge development impacts.

3206
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:44,680
Any questions on this slide?

3207
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:53,280
This next slide uh is basically going

3208
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:54,960
over the uh when we looked at the dollar

3209
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:56,960
slide where it shows for every dollar

3210
02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:58,960
collected of sales tax revenue inside

3211
02:34:56,960 --> 02:35:00,560
the city where is it going to this is

3212
02:34:58,960 --> 02:35:02,640
basically showing that year-over-year.

3213
02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:05,439
So you can see the major blue bar being

3214
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:08,439
your general followed by capital and so

3215
02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:08,439
on.

3216
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:17,280
All right, that's all I have for revenue

3217
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:18,800
assumptions.

3218
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:21,760
» Um, just to add a little bit of color

3219
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:24,160
just real fast. Um, going back to

3220
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:26,000
property taxes, we've kind of two

3221
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:27,520
revenue sources. One for our general

3222
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:29,680
fund. It's a little over 5 million.

3223
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:31,200
We're at the cap of our mill levy. We

3224
02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:33,280
cannot go any higher without going back

3225
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:35,680
to the voters. At 5 million, this is

3226
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:37,520
about 16th of your general general fund.

3227
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:40,319
some material but not as large of a

3228
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:44,080
lever as your sales tax. That orange bar

3229
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:47,520
is how we repay our rec center debt uh

3230
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:49,840
fund uh rec center debt. Our our mill

3231
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:52,399
levy right now is just under 1.4. We're

3232
02:35:49,840 --> 02:35:54,160
proposing to realign it at 1.7. That

3233
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:58,399
will align us with our annual debt

3234
02:35:54,160 --> 02:36:01,120
servicing payment amounts of 1.74 1.75

3235
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:02,640
million through 2042.

3236
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:04,960
So this is something that we were able

3237
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:06,399
to hold down for a few years. We've

3238
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:09,040
eaten up the fund balance in the debt

3239
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:10,800
fund. We can no longer absorb that short

3240
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:13,439
shortfall. We really do need to align

3241
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:15,840
the collections with the the debt. Uh

3242
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:17,600
the impact to the median home of that

3243
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:20,640
that that adjustment in the mills is

3244
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:22,399
about $20 per year. So that's what we

3245
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:24,800
have to do. And if you were to go to the

3246
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:26,880
property tech property tax chart looking

3247
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:28,160
forward, you see it kind of petering

3248
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:30,399
down a little bit. What we're doing is

3249
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:33,200
we're we're modeling assessed value

3250
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:35,520
increases and then adjusting or refining

3251
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:37,359
that rec center mill levy to arrive at

3252
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:38,560
the amount of the debt payment. So we

3253
02:36:37,359 --> 02:36:41,040
will talk about this a little bit more

3254
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:43,680
later but really looking for your uh

3255
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:46,960
your direction to align the mill levy

3256
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:48,399
with those debt payments. Um again then

3257
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:51,760
the other thing I would say with the

3258
02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:53,760
sales tax is it is the significant the

3259
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:56,080
primary funer of our general fund. You

3260
02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:58,800
can see uh over half of the dollar goes

3261
02:36:56,080 --> 02:37:00,720
into the general fund. Um from my

3262
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:02,080
memory, it's probably close to 13 or 14

3263
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:04,960
million when compared to our property

3264
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:06,800
tax, which is five. Um but it's also

3265
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:09,120
extremely material to the other funds

3266
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:11,120
outlaid here. Um the general fund is

3267
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:12,720
blue, but red is our capital fund. We'll

3268
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:14,319
have some time later today and likely at

3269
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:17,760
a future meeting talk about our capital

3270
02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:19,680
fund. Generates close to 89$10 million

3271
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:22,479
annually. But also the other funds here,

3272
02:37:19,680 --> 02:37:24,000
open space fund, our recreation fund,

3273
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:25,920
our parks fund, historic preservation

3274
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:28,880
fund, funds we've sort of talked about,

3275
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:30,160
um are largely uh driven by our sales

3276
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:32,240
tax collections. This is the biggest

3277
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:35,680
revenue source. It's our biggest lever

3278
02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:37,280
on how we fund city operations.

3279
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,720
So, thank you, Mahair. Excellent. Just

3280
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:41,880
want to add a little more color to that.

3281
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:41,880
» Thank you.

3282
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:47,760
» Okay. Okay, next we're going to get into

3283
02:37:46,960 --> 02:37:49,359
some person.

3284
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:51,120
» Hold on for just a minute. Sorry for

3285
02:37:49,359 --> 02:37:52,960
interrupting. Just want to make sure if

3286
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:57,520
council members have any questions about

3287
02:37:52,960 --> 02:38:00,080
the revenue piece here. That's

3288
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:02,800
» Yes, council member.

3289
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:06,399
» I just have one very general question.

3290
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:10,479
What would you estimate is our total

3291
02:38:06,399 --> 02:38:14,840
revenue income annually for the city

3292
02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:14,840
totaling all sources?

3293
02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:20,000
I have a spreadsheet for that, so I

3294
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:21,760
would hate to guess. Um, 80 million,

3295
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,240
close to 100 million. Wow.

3296
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:26,319
» Um, again, a lot of it's in the general

3297
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:27,600
fund. The next largest are utilities.

3298
02:38:26,319 --> 02:38:28,880
You know, we do tens of millions of

3299
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:31,040
dollars when we fund our utilities. So,

3300
02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:33,120
those those are pretty much the primary

3301
02:38:31,040 --> 02:38:34,960
funding source for what we do. And

3302
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:36,800
actually, a main component of my job is

3303
02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:39,359
collecting and my team's job is

3304
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:41,359
collecting uh sales tax and use tax, but

3305
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:43,359
also monthly utility billing. So a lot

3306
02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:45,120
of what we do is bring money in the door

3307
02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:46,160
» So folks can deliver excellent services

3308
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:46,560
to your citizens.

3309
02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:49,560
» Thank you

3310
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:49,560
» Residents.

3311
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:54,399
» Thank you.

3312
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:56,640
» So one of the next things we're going to

3313
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:58,880
get into is some personnel and benefit

3314
02:38:56,640 --> 02:39:01,359
uh assumptions u through those out years

3315
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:03,920
in the model. Um aligning with one of uh

3316
02:39:01,359 --> 02:39:06,560
the city manager's priorities in uh

3317
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:09,040
retaining uh staff and investing in

3318
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:11,520
staff and staff development. um we've

3319
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:14,960
kind of outlaid what our expectations

3320
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:17,439
are as far as uh salary increases which

3321
02:39:14,960 --> 02:39:19,920
are a large driver of those expenses um

3322
02:39:17,439 --> 02:39:23,040
that as we've dictated are our fast

3323
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:24,960
outpacing revenues. Um there are a

3324
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:27,439
couple of different adjustments that we

3325
02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:30,479
make and that we model. uh the first

3326
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:32,720
being a market adjustment um that would

3327
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:35,040
go into effect January 1st for all

3328
02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:37,439
employees and then also a merit-based

3329
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:40,880
adjustment um to kind of capture that

3330
02:39:37,439 --> 02:39:43,600
remaining uh portion of maybe the

3331
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:45,439
difference between the market and what

3332
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:48,399
people are experiencing inflationary in

3333
02:39:45,439 --> 02:39:51,680
their daily lives. Um, in that same

3334
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:54,000
vein, uh, the human resources department

3335
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:55,840
has done some, um, third-party

3336
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:58,880
consulting and they've also identified

3337
02:39:55,840 --> 02:40:01,520
some, uh, specific targeted adjustments

3338
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:05,040
to kind of align some of, uh, current

3339
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:07,439
staff, namely in this instance, uh, our

3340
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:09,120
police officers to the market

3341
02:40:07,439 --> 02:40:11,760
surrounding areas so that they can

3342
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:15,120
continue to retain officers and maintain

3343
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:16,240
that public safety that is a priority of

3344
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:20,080
council.

3345
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:22,640
Um among those uh assumptions we have

3346
02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:25,120
modeled a 2% market adjustment again

3347
02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:28,720
that's the first day of the year going

3348
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:34,399
into effect and then a uh 4% merit

3349
02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:36,640
adjustment um max for uh staff. Um and

3350
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:39,280
then as far as the targeted police

3351
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:41,520
adjustment that we discussed, um that

3352
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:44,240
third-party consultant has suggested

3353
02:40:41,520 --> 02:40:46,560
that to get us competitive and and

3354
02:40:44,240 --> 02:40:49,920
remain competitive in addition to the

3355
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:54,080
adjustments made in uh the end of 2025,

3356
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:57,520
we need to uh bump the

3357
02:40:54,080 --> 02:41:01,200
police officers up about 7%. Those would

3358
02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:04,479
be your uh non-admin staff in the police

3359
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:08,000
department. uh and then their steps for

3360
02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:10,640
their pay program are at 5%.

3361
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:13,280
Um in addition to that, we've kind of

3362
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:16,319
modeled some increases for variable

3363
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:20,160
personnel. Uh we've targeted 3% for that

3364
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:23,200
for 2027 and 28. And then uh some

3365
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:27,359
additional um costs for benefits as

3366
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:29,680
well. Um given that the benefit

3367
02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:31,680
costs are kind of unknown to us now

3368
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:34,080
we've uh been very conservative and

3369
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:38,080
budgeted or

3370
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:40,479
uh targeted at 10% um for the health

3371
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:43,840
insurance and then 2% for dental and

3372
02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:46,479
vision. Um we're hoping those numbers

3373
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:48,240
come in lower but we want to

3374
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:51,120
incorporate. It's always easy to take a

3375
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:53,680
step back then to say oh you guys have

3376
02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:56,080
kind of closed the gap but bad news. uh

3377
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:59,520
these have come in worse than expected.

3378
02:41:56,080 --> 02:42:02,800
Uh so um we've also have some history of

3379
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:06,479
kind of those uh assumptions

3380
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:08,080
over changes over the years. Uh

3381
02:42:06,479 --> 02:42:10,240
so this next table is just kind of like

3382
02:42:08,080 --> 02:42:13,280
a history of the personnel adjustments

3383
02:42:10,240 --> 02:42:15,680
since 2019. Um that kind of captures

3384
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:17,920
kind of what we historically have been

3385
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:21,280
doing for staff to maintain that

3386
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:24,479
retainage. Um,

3387
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:26,960
if you want to go to the next one.

3388
02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:29,840
And finally, this is uh kind of the

3389
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:31,840
history of our benefit insurance uh cost

3390
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:34,960
increases. As you can see, the last two

3391
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:37,359
years, we've come in flat uh thanks to a

3392
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:39,520
lot of work with uh human resource

3393
02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:43,280
department, collaborating with um some

3394
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:45,439
of our benefit providers. And so, we are

3395
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:47,280
hopeful that we'll get good news again

3396
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:49,520
this year. But again, we have kind of

3397
02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:53,040
taken a conservative approach and

3398
02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:55,760
budgeted for a 10% increase. Uh, and

3399
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:59,920
these all average up to about an eight 8

3400
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:03,439
and a half% increase in the model.

3401
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:04,880
Any questions on any of that?

3402
02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:06,319
» Yes.

3403
02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:08,560
» Thanks. Appreciate you doing this. So

3404
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:10,000
you had mentioned that you had already

3405
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:11,760
um hired a consultant to come up with

3406
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:13,760
some of the merit increases and yet we

3407
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:15,520
saw for some of the capital improvement

3408
02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:19,760
requests

3409
02:43:15,520 --> 02:43:23,040
was um another exterior consultant to do

3410
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:24,399
some additional work. Is this like and

3411
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:26,479
it doesn't look like it's projected for

3412
02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:28,960
all the years is is it that you needed

3413
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:30,640
it for this time you'll need it one more

3414
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:34,080
time but you don't need it in ongoing

3415
02:43:30,640 --> 02:43:35,920
years. Um, Council Member Kern, maybe

3416
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:37,520
Beth for Director Bonzingo to answer

3417
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:39,280
that question, but my understanding is

3418
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:41,840
that these are two different asks, two

3419
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:44,080
different studies. They annually review

3420
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:45,600
um markets um against what our

3421
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:47,439
competitors are paying folks. I think

3422
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:48,880
last I was over 30 jurisdictions they

3423
02:43:47,439 --> 02:43:51,439
benchmark against us. So, this is part

3424
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:53,040
of their annual work. Uh that is not the

3425
02:43:51,439 --> 02:43:55,600
that is separate and different from the

3426
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:57,520
budget ask. With that, I will ask

3427
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:59,279
director Monzingo to delineate the

3428
02:43:57,520 --> 02:44:00,640
difference between those two.

3429
02:43:59,279 --> 02:44:02,000
Yeah, I just want to have you clarify

3430
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,200
your question just to make sure I answer

3431
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:04,560
it appropriately.

3432
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:06,399
» So, it was mentioned that you guys had

3433
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:08,000
already done used a consultant to help

3434
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:10,319
you come up with the market adjustments

3435
02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:13,520
and yet we see in a budget request for

3436
02:44:10,319 --> 02:44:15,520
additional consulting to assist with

3437
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:17,840
understanding salaries and market. So, I

3438
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:20,319
just was curious to know if this is a

3439
02:44:17,840 --> 02:44:21,760
repetitive thing, if it's it's an annual

3440
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:23,920
request that you need because it looks

3441
02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:24,160
like it's only a one time or what what

3442
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:26,479
that

3443
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:28,720
» Yeah. We use uh an exterior an outside

3444
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:31,120
consultant to assist us in determining

3445
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:33,279
the market rate adjustments. These are

3446
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:35,359
looked at each and every year. So that's

3447
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:37,439
an ongoing one. We also use a separate

3448
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:39,920
consultant for our benefits as well to

3449
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:42,560
go out to market. Uh so so it's two

3450
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:44,720
separate um consultants there. But

3451
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:48,800
really what they're looking at is is

3452
02:44:44,720 --> 02:44:51,439
both telling us uh what the market is

3453
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:52,960
doing for each of the positions and so

3454
02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:55,040
that we can compare our positions and

3455
02:44:52,960 --> 02:44:56,960
then that's what we use to determine the

3456
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:59,200
adjustments that we recommend. So in

3457
02:44:56,960 --> 02:45:01,760
this case for instance uh there was an

3458
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:04,240
adjustment of over 9%

3459
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:07,600
uh in just the police jobs alone. So

3460
02:45:04,240 --> 02:45:10,080
that's largely what accounted for the 7%

3461
02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:10,640
additional increase with them. So I I

3462
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:12,080
don't know if that is

3463
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:13,760
» Director, do you I'm sorry. Do you mind

3464
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:16,000
I I believe the question is around the

3465
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:17,279
compensation policy analysis. We do have

3466
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,479
that later in our presentation, but

3467
02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:20,960
since it's up now, would you be willing

3468
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:23,840
to speak to what the compensation policy

3469
02:45:20,960 --> 02:45:26,479
analysis is? The request

3470
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:29,680
» For

3471
02:45:26,479 --> 02:45:33,960
compensation policy analysis.

3472
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:33,960
» Oh, here. Will you run to slide?

3473
02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:37,920
» Is that for the

3474
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:39,040
» $50,000 request? Okay. I didn't think we

3475
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,520
had gotten to that one. Yeah. Sorry.

3476
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:43,279
Okay, now I'm following you. Yeah. Okay,

3477
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:45,600
I'm with you now. You're right. This is

3478
02:45:43,279 --> 02:45:47,520
a yet a separate project. So, what we've

3479
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:49,600
what I found uh at least in my first

3480
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:52,880
year working here is that we spend an

3481
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:55,680
inordinate amount of staff time uh

3482
02:45:52,880 --> 02:45:58,319
working through compensation issues uh

3483
02:45:55,680 --> 02:46:00,800
because we lack a lot of uh solid

3484
02:45:58,319 --> 02:46:03,760
policies and procedures on how we work

3485
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:05,840
through these. Secondarily, um probably

3486
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:07,200
in the last five or six years, uh

3487
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:08,640
there's been a lot of structure,

3488
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:11,439
especially through the Equal Pay for

3489
02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:15,120
Equal Work Act, on ensuring compliance,

3490
02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:18,160
uh with our compensation practices. So

3491
02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:20,720
this analysis here is to ensure we're

3492
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:24,240
compliant, but then also find ways to

3493
02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:26,000
save staff time and ambiguity on how we

3494
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:29,120
work through and have a cleaner process

3495
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:31,359
to work through when we adjust pay, how

3496
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:33,200
we adjust pay, how we do reclasses and

3497
02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:34,960
those types of things. So I completely

3498
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:36,240
apologize. You were one step ahead of me

3499
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:36,720
and I wasn't quite following your

3500
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,479
question.

3501
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:40,479
» They went together in my mind when I was

3502
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:42,399
saw the market and I was and I thought

3503
02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:44,960
they were similar. It's a completely

3504
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:47,040
different topic and I I appreciate the

3505
02:46:44,960 --> 02:46:48,720
the reason for needing this and and it

3506
02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:50,560
being a one-time evaluation process and

3507
02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:52,479
figuring how we move forward. So then

3508
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:55,600
the then we'll go back a slide to what

3509
02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:58,160
we did discuss the variable um pay is

3510
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:59,200
that for like our part-time employees

3511
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:00,080
that kind of thing.

3512
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:01,520
» It is

3513
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:03,600
» Uh and it's interesting that we think

3514
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:05,120
that we need to uh a higher market

3515
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,840
increase than we do for our full-time

3516
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,840
employees.

3517
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:09,680
» Yeah. So the that's a great question as

3518
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:11,760
well. So, uh, while you'll see the

3519
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:14,720
market adjustment for full-time at 2%,

3520
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:17,040
the reason we did a 3% is that we

3521
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:19,600
currently don't have a way to adjust

3522
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:23,200
variable pay. So, when you get hired

3523
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:25,359
into a job as a variable pay employee

3524
02:47:23,200 --> 02:47:27,520
and you work or as a seasonal and you

3525
02:47:25,359 --> 02:47:31,439
come back the next year, your pay goes

3526
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:32,880
up the two or 3% that we recommend here.

3527
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:35,040
That's the same pay that the person

3528
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:36,720
coming in as a brand new employee is

3529
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:38,800
also paid as well. So we're trying to

3530
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:42,720
build out a structure where we can give

3531
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:45,279
variable increases as well to recognize

3532
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:47,040
retain uh some of those valuable staff

3533
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:50,240
members like in our seasonal ranks that

3534
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:53,840
come back year after year uh so that we

3535
02:47:50,240 --> 02:47:56,720
have kind of a a market or a merit

3536
02:47:53,840 --> 02:47:59,200
increase per se for for those positions.

3537
02:47:56,720 --> 02:48:00,960
» When it comes to the uh merit increase

3538
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:02,160
or the market adjustments for the police

3539
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:04,399
department, you were saying it's not

3540
02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:05,760
applying to the admin staff. Will that

3541
02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:08,000
the administrative staff will that they

3542
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:10,479
they still be applicable to the 2% that

3543
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:12,880
everyone else Okay, great. And then what

3544
02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:15,520
about for the leadership in within the

3545
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:17,760
police department? Is the 7% also being

3546
02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:18,880
applied or is it for non-leership

3547
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:21,040
officers?

3548
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:23,040
» It's just for the police officer ranks

3549
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:25,359
to my knowledge. I don't believe that it

3550
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:26,960
accounts for those. But we do have to

3551
02:48:25,359 --> 02:48:29,520
check to see if we have a compaction

3552
02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:32,960
issue because as we continue to increase

3553
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:34,720
the sworn officer pay in the um

3554
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:36,640
management structure side of it. We have

3555
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:38,319
to look at the commander side to see if

3556
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:39,680
we're getting into a compaction issue.

3557
02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:41,279
So that there may need to be some

3558
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:42,319
adjustments there just to address

3559
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:44,640
compaction.

3560
02:48:42,319 --> 02:48:46,880
» But that's not being considered in this

3561
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:48,080
yet. Okay. So but maybe I I would agree.

3562
02:48:46,880 --> 02:48:49,439
I would expect there to be some

3563
02:48:48,080 --> 02:48:52,960
variation. That's why I was curious

3564
02:48:49,439 --> 02:48:56,160
about that. Last thing 10% for a health

3565
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:59,040
increase. Are we expecting to change

3566
02:48:56,160 --> 02:49:02,399
providers in service because uh that's a

3567
02:48:59,040 --> 02:49:04,399
really substantial increase?

3568
02:49:02,399 --> 02:49:06,800
» Well, we don't have those numbers. Uh

3569
02:49:04,399 --> 02:49:08,479
sadly, we don't generally get those, I'm

3570
02:49:06,800 --> 02:49:10,720
being told, until sometime in early

3571
02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:12,399
August. And as you might expect, uh

3572
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:14,240
those vendors hold those numbers pretty

3573
02:49:12,399 --> 02:49:16,880
close to the best until they're until

3574
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:18,880
they're um a little more sure about

3575
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:20,640
them. So, as you could see from the

3576
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:22,800
slide up there, over the last several

3577
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:25,200
years, I think they did a placeholder in

3578
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:27,439
the budget for 10%. But that the

3579
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:30,000
increase came out at zero. So, I guess

3580
02:49:27,439 --> 02:49:32,560
one thing that I could speak to is that

3581
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:34,160
at least at the end of May, our benefits

3582
02:49:32,560 --> 02:49:37,680
consultants said that we were operating

3583
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:39,200
at an 80% loss ratio. So, uh that's

3584
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:41,520
actually quite good where you want to

3585
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:43,279
be. It's when you get to 100% and above

3586
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:45,840
that is when you're actually at a loss.

3587
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:48,399
So while our claims against our health

3588
02:49:45,840 --> 02:49:50,319
insurance have gone up this year, all

3589
02:49:48,399 --> 02:49:53,359
indications are is that we're still

3590
02:49:50,319 --> 02:49:55,840
operating at a level that we need to be.

3591
02:49:53,359 --> 02:49:58,160
So I don't think that our own usage of

3592
02:49:55,840 --> 02:50:00,880
the plan is going to drive up the costs.

3593
02:49:58,160 --> 02:50:02,479
So now we're really going to be seeing

3594
02:50:00,880 --> 02:50:04,960
what the market does and what that

3595
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:07,760
dictates. And just on the research I've

3596
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:09,279
done, um it's probably the same research

3597
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:12,319
you all could do, it could be an

3598
02:50:09,279 --> 02:50:14,880
increase anywhere between 0% up to 12%.

3599
02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:16,319
So, we really want to get those numbers

3600
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:18,880
through our consultant and then have

3601
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:21,279
them work with the the the vendors

3602
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:22,720
themselves to to negotiate those down to

3603
02:50:21,279 --> 02:50:24,399
the best price we can get.

3604
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:27,840
» Thank you and appreciate the indulgence.

3605
02:50:24,399 --> 02:50:30,000
Um, I spent many years in finance but um

3606
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:32,640
also targeting human resources and

3607
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:34,720
benefits and I did benefits for casinos

3608
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:36,640
with thousands of employees. So, that's

3609
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:37,920
why this was uh my pertinent questions.

3610
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:40,640
I happen to have background and

3611
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:43,200
experience in it. So, thanks

3612
02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:45,760
Other

3613
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:47,680
questions from council? Yes, Council

3614
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:49,680
Cooper.

3615
02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:52,880
Um

3616
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:56,479
I can you can you give an a ballpark

3617
02:50:52,880 --> 02:51:00,640
estimate for like if our health

3618
02:50:56,479 --> 02:51:02,560
insurance uh has like a a 1% increase

3619
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:05,120
roughly how much that translates to in

3620
02:51:02,560 --> 02:51:05,200
expenses for the city?

3621
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:06,960
A

3622
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:08,880
» Lot of on the spot math here this

3623
02:51:06,960 --> 02:51:11,200
afternoon. I'm glad I'm sharp. It's uh

3624
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:14,399
we've got three million in our annual

3625
02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:18,160
benefit costs. So when we project 10%

3626
02:51:14,399 --> 02:51:20,960
that's 300,000. Um so every percent

3627
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:22,560
split across all the funds. Um I I spent

3628
02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:24,000
a lot of time on the general funds. So

3629
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:26,080
that'd be half of it. Half your

3630
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:28,240
personnel's in those funds. So you know

3631
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:30,399
um one thing I did mention earlier is we

3632
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:32,240
use a lot of projections and estimates

3633
02:51:30,399 --> 02:51:34,000
at this time of the year. Uh we try to

3634
02:51:32,240 --> 02:51:35,680
be conservative so we don't have a

3635
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:36,960
widening gap throughout the process. We

3636
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:39,520
have one that's closing. So, one thing

3637
02:51:36,960 --> 02:51:40,960
I'm optimistic about is HR and uh and

3638
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:42,479
their and their great team and our

3639
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:44,080
broker can keep these costs as low as

3640
02:51:42,479 --> 02:51:46,080
we've seen historically and we can come

3641
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:49,240
back to you in September with um some

3642
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:49,240
good news.

3643
02:51:51,760 --> 02:51:55,160
» Other comments?

3644
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:01,680
» If there are no more questions on

3645
02:51:59,120 --> 02:52:03,760
personnel and benefit costs, I will hand

3646
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:05,840
this over to the city manager. Are you

3647
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:07,200
okay driving these slides or I can keep

3648
02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:08,800
going and take notes?

3649
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:10,720
» Do we want to circle back to Council

3650
02:52:08,800 --> 02:52:13,720
Member Kern now that Adam's back in the

3651
02:52:10,720 --> 02:52:13,720
room?

3652
02:52:14,240 --> 02:52:16,319
» Pardon me.

3653
02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:19,439
» Do we want

3654
02:52:16,319 --> 02:52:21,520
» Oh, yes. I'm sorry. Um the question that

3655
02:52:19,439 --> 02:52:22,880
she raised from before. Yes. Do you

3656
02:52:21,520 --> 02:52:24,399
would you Sorry.

3657
02:52:22,880 --> 02:52:26,960
» Now that the director is

3658
02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:29,120
» I appreciate that. So, I forgot to when

3659
02:52:26,960 --> 02:52:31,840
we were talking about um the wreck

3660
02:52:29,120 --> 02:52:33,680
department and the budget, uh one of the

3661
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:37,760
things that I wanted to ask about and

3662
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:40,640
bring up is do we ever separate out the

3663
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:42,640
the cost of the memory square pool and

3664
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:45,279
the swimming pool component at the rec

3665
02:52:42,640 --> 02:52:47,200
center so that we can see how that that

3666
02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:48,960
cost is different than just all the

3667
02:52:47,200 --> 02:52:51,960
other services of the wreck and senior

3668
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:51,960
center.

3669
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:57,520
Aquatics has its own budget lines. Yeah.

3670
02:52:55,760 --> 02:52:59,279
So, Memory Square has a line and

3671
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:00,080
aquatics has a line in the overall

3672
02:52:59,279 --> 02:53:02,640
budget.

3673
02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:04,640
» So, do and and pardon me if I don't

3674
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:07,279
know. I tried to find it and I couldn't

3675
02:53:04,640 --> 02:53:09,040
on the website. Um, are there like

3676
02:53:07,279 --> 02:53:10,720
separate and additional fees to use

3677
02:53:09,040 --> 02:53:13,200
memory square pool if you already have a

3678
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:15,600
rec center pass?

3679
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:17,279
» U membership transitions to Memory

3680
02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:18,800
Square. That's not a separate fee and

3681
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:20,319
the daily admission is the same as the

3682
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:21,920
rec center. So that's what I was

3683
02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:24,399
thinking and I was looking at several of

3684
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:26,240
the the capital requests and it seems

3685
02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:27,600
like a lot of the large ticket items are

3686
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:30,000
because swimming pools are very

3687
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:31,359
expensive. Everything related to them is

3688
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:34,720
just expensive. Anybody who's ever had

3689
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:39,040
their own knows that. Um I I was curious

3690
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:42,960
if there was value in us looking at the

3691
02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:44,880
fee structure that we have um to because

3692
02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:46,399
we are worried about the general fund. A

3693
02:53:44,880 --> 02:53:48,960
portion of the general fund goes to the

3694
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:51,680
wreck which goes to aquatics. if we

3695
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:53,120
shouldn't be charging people because we

3696
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:55,840
have lifeguards that are expensive and

3697
02:53:53,120 --> 02:53:58,000
sometimes hard to acquire. Um more for

3698
02:53:55,840 --> 02:54:01,040
the utilization of specifically of the

3699
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:02,960
aquatics versus the person who's you

3700
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:05,120
know coming in and just working out on a

3701
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:06,800
treadmill or using you know the the

3702
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:09,800
baseball or the basketball courts or

3703
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:09,800
something

3704
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:16,160
to try to recoup some of that extra that

3705
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:18,399
very specific user cost. Yeah, I think

3706
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:21,120
we could consider that possibly for

3707
02:54:18,399 --> 02:54:24,080
memory square um as a starting point

3708
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:26,000
being a seasonal pool. Um it's pretty

3709
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:28,160
low impact probably for what you're

3710
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:32,359
getting at maybe as a relief to the

3711
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:32,359
general fund. Um

3712
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:35,920
we can explore whatever you'd like to

3713
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:39,520
explore. the I think you know the

3714
02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:41,760
majority of that 30-ish million dollar

3715
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:43,439
renovation was intended you know and

3716
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:45,040
went towards a lot of renovations for

3717
02:54:43,439 --> 02:54:48,720
the pool area. So I would imagine the

3718
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:52,319
community is expecting that debt

3719
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:54,479
repayment to allow them the same access

3720
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:57,120
at the same rate as the rest of the

3721
02:54:54,479 --> 02:54:58,960
building. Um

3722
02:54:57,120 --> 02:55:00,399
but you know we we can look into

3723
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:03,520
whatever you'd like to look into but

3724
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:05,359
pools are pools are expensive. Um, so

3725
02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:07,359
are senior services, you know, that's

3726
02:55:05,359 --> 02:55:08,880
less than 5% cost recovery and the

3727
02:55:07,359 --> 02:55:11,439
majority of the people coming in to use

3728
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:12,080
those services are paying less than $3.

3729
02:55:11,439 --> 02:55:14,560
» Mhm.

3730
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:16,399
» So, I mean, it really is just what

3731
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:18,399
whatever area of the facility you would

3732
02:55:16,399 --> 02:55:21,760
like to kind of zone in on.

3733
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:23,279
» Okay. Thank you.

3734
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:26,439
» Okay.

3735
02:55:23,279 --> 02:55:26,439
Go ahead.

3736
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:31,760
» All right. So, at this point in time,

3737
02:55:30,319 --> 02:55:34,640
we're going to go into the CMO

3738
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:36,880
recommended operational adjustments. Um,

3739
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:38,880
if council has questions about the

3740
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:41,200
items, the directors are ready to

3741
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:42,880
respond to those questions. Uh, but

3742
02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:44,560
first is the market adjustments for

3743
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:46,720
police. I would like to take this as an

3744
02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:49,359
opportunity for Chief Gutier to talk

3745
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:51,279
about kind of current state of staffing

3746
02:55:49,359 --> 02:55:54,000
at the police department and the impacts

3747
02:55:51,279 --> 02:55:57,760
of the cost or the salary increase that

3748
02:55:54,000 --> 02:56:00,160
council approved late last year.

3749
02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:02,080
» Thank you. Um yeah, definitely want to

3750
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:03,600
uh send words of appreciation for the

3751
02:56:02,080 --> 02:56:05,840
market adjustment that was done last

3752
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:07,279
year. Um that that made a significant

3753
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:09,680
difference in morale and and some

3754
02:56:07,279 --> 02:56:11,200
retention areas. Um I'm not hearing the

3755
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:13,920
same commentary that people are looking

3756
02:56:11,200 --> 02:56:16,399
for employment elsewhere because of uh

3757
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:18,240
paying compensation. Um certainly life

3758
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:19,600
circumstances come up and we do have

3759
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:21,279
some officers that are looking at other

3760
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:24,080
opportunities simply because of family

3761
02:56:21,279 --> 02:56:25,760
reasons or a need to relocate. But it's

3762
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:28,080
it's really changed the narrative at the

3763
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:31,040
PD. Um the police market, the police

3764
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:33,439
officer market is is steadily increasing

3765
02:56:31,040 --> 02:56:35,120
and has been for the last several years.

3766
02:56:33,439 --> 02:56:37,680
And I think what we recognize in the

3767
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:40,800
slide that was put up earlier is um as a

3768
02:56:37,680 --> 02:56:44,399
city organization, you know, a 2% or a

3769
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:45,760
0% uh for the police market

3770
02:56:44,399 --> 02:56:47,040
put us in a position where we're now

3771
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:48,720
trying to play catch-up. And I think

3772
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:51,920
that's kind of what's reflected in that

3773
02:56:48,720 --> 02:56:53,840
7% recommendation now. Um but it has

3774
02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:55,920
made a significant difference. uh

3775
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:58,000
employees there um they they understand

3776
02:56:55,920 --> 02:56:59,760
they recognize that the city is is

3777
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:02,399
definitely uh trying to take care of

3778
02:56:59,760 --> 02:57:04,399
them um and supporting of them and and

3779
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:06,000
it has gone a long way. So uh from a

3780
02:57:04,399 --> 02:57:08,720
staffing perspective right now as of

3781
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:11,439
September um knock on wood we will be at

3782
02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:13,200
at fully staffed in the officer ranks.

3783
02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:14,479
Um we do have a code enforcement process

3784
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:17,040
that's ongoing now. We're doing

3785
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:18,800
interviews for that. Um and and that

3786
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:20,720
that's the extent of our vacancies right

3787
02:57:18,800 --> 02:57:22,960
now. So it's a really good condition to

3788
02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:24,479
be in. Um, and I think again it says a

3789
02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:26,080
lot to what has already been decided

3790
02:57:24,479 --> 02:57:29,640
upon and some of the recommendations

3791
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:29,640
that are being made.

3792
02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:36,800
» All right. Thank you. Uh, the next two

3793
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:38,479
items are HR requests and um the

3794
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:40,560
citywide training increase I think is

3795
02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:42,560
pretty self-explanatory, but Jeff, could

3796
02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:45,120
you briefly discuss those two items for

3797
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:47,200
HR?

3798
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:49,120
» Yeah, thank you. So, uh, the citywide

3799
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:51,760
training increase, uh, is really

3800
02:57:49,120 --> 02:57:53,439
covering two things. So, uh, in talking

3801
02:57:51,760 --> 02:57:55,279
to the city manager when I started

3802
02:57:53,439 --> 02:57:57,439
employment, uh, one of the things that

3803
02:57:55,279 --> 02:58:00,080
she really wanted to focus on was, uh,

3804
02:57:57,439 --> 02:58:01,359
employee development and succession

3805
02:58:00,080 --> 02:58:02,880
planning and making sure that we have

3806
02:58:01,359 --> 02:58:05,840
the bench strength going forward,

3807
02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:07,520
recognizing our leaders and ensuring

3808
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:10,000
that our employees just have development

3809
02:58:07,520 --> 02:58:12,399
opportunities. So, when I started, uh,

3810
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:14,560
we weren't doing much in the way of all

3811
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:17,279
city training both at the staff level

3812
02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:19,120
and for leaders. And while we were able

3813
02:58:17,279 --> 02:58:20,800
to use the funding that we do have right

3814
02:58:19,120 --> 02:58:23,520
now, it was pretty limited at only

3815
02:58:20,800 --> 02:58:25,680
$14,000 a year for the or entire

3816
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:27,439
organization. And that's the money we

3817
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:30,000
use for all staff training and

3818
02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:31,600
leadership training. So part of this um

3819
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:34,000
citywide training increase is to

3820
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:36,800
increase that budget by about $20,000

3821
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:38,720
just to allow us uh to increase our

3822
02:58:36,800 --> 02:58:40,720
training offerings. Uh what I clearly

3823
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:43,520
heard from staff when I started is that

3824
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:45,680
training was important to them that they

3825
02:58:43,520 --> 02:58:47,359
wanted more and then the feedback we're

3826
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:48,720
getting on the training that we're given

3827
02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:50,319
is that they wish that there were more

3828
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:52,399
offerings and that we could offer longer

3829
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:54,479
classes with the budget we have we're

3830
02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:57,040
offering lunch and learns as leadership

3831
02:58:54,479 --> 02:58:58,479
trainings and two-hour trainings once a

3832
02:58:57,040 --> 02:59:01,279
quarter. So, this is just going to allow

3833
02:58:58,479 --> 02:59:03,439
us the ability to increase that. And

3834
02:59:01,279 --> 02:59:06,319
then the excess money on top of the

3835
02:59:03,439 --> 02:59:09,600
ongoing uh 20,000 we'd be adding to the

3836
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:12,640
to this training budget would be to run

3837
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:14,560
an emerging leaders academy in 2027

3838
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:16,640
followed by a leadership academy in

3839
02:59:14,560 --> 02:59:19,200
2028. So this would just be formal

3840
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:21,120
training uh for those emerging leaders

3841
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:23,439
in the organization to both recognize

3842
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:26,399
and train those and then just to ensure

3843
02:59:23,439 --> 02:59:28,640
that uh we can have ongoing professional

3844
02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:30,399
leadership uh training and academy both

3845
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:32,800
for our current and seasoned leaders as

3846
02:59:30,399 --> 02:59:36,840
well. So that kind of encompasses the

3847
02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:36,840
citywide training increase.

3848
02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:42,800
» Yeah. So NEOGV perform and policy. This

3849
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:45,200
is another thing as I've gone around the

3850
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:47,680
organization uh learning about areas

3851
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:49,920
where I think we could um both improve

3852
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:52,560
process and save a lot of staff time and

3853
02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:54,560
this is two areas. So NEOGV perform

3854
02:59:52,560 --> 02:59:57,040
would be an electronic way of building

3855
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:59,760
onto our current NEOGV platform which is

3856
02:59:57,040 --> 03:00:01,680
an HIS platform we're currently using

3857
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:03,520
but it would allow us to do performance

3858
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:06,000
reviews electronically. Our current

3859
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:07,840
process is done by paper which makes it

3860
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:10,160
extremely difficult to get data

3861
03:00:07,840 --> 03:00:12,640
analytics as to performance around the

3862
03:00:10,160 --> 03:00:14,399
organization. It makes it a very manual

3863
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:16,399
process for dealing with performance

3864
03:00:14,399 --> 03:00:19,760
issues that come from these performance

3865
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:23,040
reviews. And with this program, it would

3866
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:26,000
allow uh full web access and would allow

3867
03:00:23,040 --> 03:00:29,279
us to tie these to our uh performance

3868
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:31,200
improvement processes. Um and it would

3869
03:00:29,279 --> 03:00:33,439
allow it allow us to tie it to our

3870
03:00:31,200 --> 03:00:35,439
learning module. uh that's also within

3871
03:00:33,439 --> 03:00:37,920
NEOGV as well. So a lot of capability

3872
03:00:35,439 --> 03:00:40,640
there. The second half of this would be

3873
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:42,880
a 2028 program. That's the policy

3874
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:46,000
management module. This is a more

3875
03:00:42,880 --> 03:00:48,080
organizational benefiting uh program in

3876
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:49,840
the sense that right now uh one of the

3877
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:52,479
things I'm focusing on is ensuring that

3878
03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:55,359
our policies uh are compliant and that

3879
03:00:52,479 --> 03:00:56,720
we continuously update our policies. And

3880
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:59,120
while we make do with our current

3881
03:00:56,720 --> 03:01:02,240
processes, it is a very daunting process

3882
03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:03,920
to write the policy, get feedback on the

3883
03:01:02,240 --> 03:01:06,800
policy and then approve the policies.

3884
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:09,760
And this this uh module would allow us

3885
03:01:06,800 --> 03:01:14,880
to do that very seamlessly with tracking

3886
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:16,399
of both the approval process and the uh

3887
03:01:14,880 --> 03:01:18,479
uh acknowledgement process for

3888
03:01:16,399 --> 03:01:20,960
employees. The doubly cool thing about

3889
03:01:18,479 --> 03:01:22,960
it is that it's not just for HR. We

3890
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:24,800
could build this to where every

3891
03:01:22,960 --> 03:01:26,960
department in the entire city could have

3892
03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:30,000
a module much like we do with our laser

3893
03:01:26,960 --> 03:01:32,000
fish system. So we could house internal

3894
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:34,160
departmental policies as well as

3895
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:36,800
citywide policies all in one place in

3896
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:39,840
the same format and using the same uh

3897
03:01:36,800 --> 03:01:41,520
approval process. So it would really

3898
03:01:39,840 --> 03:01:43,120
increase our efficiencies, save a lot of

3899
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:45,600
staff time, but also make these a heck

3900
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:48,600
of a lot more accessible and easier to

3901
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:48,600
update.

3902
03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:53,040
Yes,

3903
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:54,640
» I I this is more of just like I guess a

3904
03:01:53,040 --> 03:01:58,319
comment or a compliment. So, what I'm

3905
03:01:54,640 --> 03:02:02,560
hearing is lots of cost savings in sta

3906
03:01:58,319 --> 03:02:05,279
very expensive staff time for a for a

3907
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:07,680
$25,000 annual investment. I'm assuming

3908
03:02:05,279 --> 03:02:09,520
we're expected to receive significantly

3909
03:02:07,680 --> 03:02:11,439
more than 25,000 a year in staff

3910
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:13,760
savings.

3911
03:02:11,439 --> 03:02:15,760
» Yeah, that I don't know what the total

3912
03:02:13,760 --> 03:02:16,880
cost for both would be. It might be a

3913
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:18,640
little bit above that, but this is

3914
03:02:16,880 --> 03:02:21,120
before we've negotiated the price. We

3915
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:23,120
might be able to get both programs for

3916
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:26,160
that 25,000. But to answer your

3917
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:28,160
question, yes, indeed. Lots of s staff

3918
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:30,240
savings to where we could realize that

3919
03:02:28,160 --> 03:02:30,720
and recoup that cost in the first year

3920
03:02:30,240 --> 03:02:32,000
alone.

3921
03:02:30,720 --> 03:02:32,720
» Great. Thanks for thinking outside the

3922
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:34,640
box. That's nice.

3923
03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:37,120
» Yeah. Thanks.

3924
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:38,319
» Other questions, comments?

3925
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:39,439
» Would you like me to go over the last

3926
03:02:38,319 --> 03:02:40,000
one on this slide, Mayor?

3927
03:02:39,439 --> 03:02:41,200
» Pardon me.

3928
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:43,359
» Would you like me to go over the last

3929
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:44,319
one on this slide?

3930
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:46,080
» Sure.

3931
03:02:44,319 --> 03:02:49,439
» Great. So, the hard to recycle voucher

3932
03:02:46,080 --> 03:02:51,600
is a pilot program we started in 2026.

3933
03:02:49,439 --> 03:02:54,080
We have had almost all of these vouchers

3934
03:02:51,600 --> 03:02:56,640
taken up and over 250 used at this point

3935
03:02:54,080 --> 03:02:59,040
in time. You might recall this replaced

3936
03:02:56,640 --> 03:03:01,439
our hard to recycle event which was

3937
03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:03,439
consistently weathered out. So, it was a

3938
03:03:01,439 --> 03:03:05,439
very challenging event for us to hold.

3939
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:07,279
Um, we are hearing a lot of positive

3940
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:09,040
comments about this program. In fact, a

3941
03:03:07,279 --> 03:03:10,479
lot of other cities have asked us for a

3942
03:03:09,040 --> 03:03:12,960
model because they're very interested in

3943
03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:14,720
this program. We'd like to extend it and

3944
03:03:12,960 --> 03:03:16,880
we'd like to use general fund funding to

3945
03:03:14,720 --> 03:03:18,399
extend it. I will say staff who is here

3946
03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:22,000
to answer questions should council have

3947
03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:23,920
them. Um would is considering a no match

3948
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:26,800
grant through the Colorado Circular

3949
03:03:23,920 --> 03:03:29,040
Communities C3 waste reduction programs.

3950
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:30,960
So if council wants to, they could

3951
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:34,120
approve this contingent upon receipt of

3952
03:03:30,960 --> 03:03:34,120
the grant.

3953
03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:41,439
» Any uh council questions? Council member

3954
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:42,880
Curtain. of the um 37,000 there, how

3955
03:03:41,439 --> 03:03:44,319
much of is actually coming from the bag

3956
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:46,800
tax and how much would we need the grant

3957
03:03:44,319 --> 03:03:49,520
money for? I'm just curious

3958
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:51,040
» Uh for our proposal for 2027 is that no

3959
03:03:49,520 --> 03:03:53,840
money would come from bag tax. We take

3960
03:03:51,040 --> 03:03:57,359
it out of general fund. Staff would like

3961
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:58,000
to seek grant for the full amount.

3962
03:03:57,359 --> 03:03:58,560
» Correct.

3963
03:03:58,000 --> 03:03:59,040
» Yes.

3964
03:03:58,560 --> 03:04:01,439
» Correct.

3965
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:03,920
» Okay. And are would then the bag tax be

3966
03:04:01,439 --> 03:04:06,319
going? Would we still be doing um like

3967
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:07,680
the hard recycle program in some of the

3968
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:09,040
lower income neighborhoods that we've

3969
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:10,479
done in the past that was very

3970
03:04:09,040 --> 03:04:11,760
successful and really wellliked?

3971
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:13,760
» We would still be looking at doing the

3972
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:15,439
other programming in the bag tax. And I

3973
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:17,520
think there's a larger sustainability

3974
03:04:15,439 --> 03:04:19,279
conversation coming up for this council

3975
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:21,760
where we talk a little bit more about

3976
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:23,040
bag tax that sort of declining revenue

3977
03:04:21,760 --> 03:04:25,040
and what that looks like when we talk

3978
03:04:23,040 --> 03:04:26,640
about those larger sustainability goals.

3979
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:28,000
Is that one of the reasons the move to

3980
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:29,680
the general fund for this instead of the

3981
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:30,640
bag is because of the declining bag tax

3982
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:32,880
numbers?

3983
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:35,040
» Uh, okay, great. I This is an amazing

3984
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:36,640
program. I'm in favor of it. I I do

3985
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:38,640
really recommend that we push as hard as

3986
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:41,920
we can to get the grant money though um

3987
03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:43,359
just given how tight things are.

3988
03:04:41,920 --> 03:04:45,760
» So, at this point in time, we are

3989
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:49,040
looking for council input on each of

3990
03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:52,960
these items. So, if we could go down the

3991
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:55,279
list and get input in terms of

3992
03:04:52,960 --> 03:04:57,200
preliminary council support or if you're

3993
03:04:55,279 --> 03:04:58,319
not supportive of this, that would be

3994
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:00,319
helpful.

3995
03:04:58,319 --> 03:05:02,560
» I will start

3996
03:05:00,319 --> 03:05:05,200
um I

3997
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:08,240
on market adjustments for police. I

3998
03:05:05,200 --> 03:05:12,800
really appreciate the the uh analysis

3999
03:05:08,240 --> 03:05:18,319
that's been done. is hard stuff and it's

4000
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:21,680
uh I absolutely support um that um item

4001
03:05:18,319 --> 03:05:23,840
training increase. I I was

4002
03:05:21,680 --> 03:05:26,000
to be honest almost shocked to see how

4003
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:30,080
low it was.

4004
03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:31,840
um having you know this is my day job is

4005
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:34,800
employment law and deal with a lot of

4006
03:05:31,840 --> 03:05:38,319
clients with the last well the next two

4007
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:41,920
but um this is really important and

4008
03:05:38,319 --> 03:05:45,359
something that uh employees I think

4009
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:48,160
across the board want and expect if

4010
03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:52,319
we're going to keep them and it's a

4011
03:05:48,160 --> 03:05:56,640
really good um investment in our human

4012
03:05:52,319 --> 03:06:00,160
capital and and our human resources Um

4013
03:05:56,640 --> 03:06:02,399
the next one um I mean again these are

4014
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:04,960
the the next three are small numbers

4015
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:08,240
compared to others and I don't want to

4016
03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:11,359
underest understate that. Um we got a

4017
03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:13,840
lot of big numbers coming but those two

4018
03:06:11,359 --> 03:06:15,600
uh or the

4019
03:06:13,840 --> 03:06:18,240
modules are going to pay for themselves

4020
03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:20,720
easily. um trying to centralize that

4021
03:06:18,240 --> 03:06:23,359
data is going to provide so much easy

4022
03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:26,080
analysis or the ability to do some

4023
03:06:23,359 --> 03:06:30,000
really easy analysis, complex analysis.

4024
03:06:26,080 --> 03:06:32,399
And then the hard to recycle voucher,

4025
03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:36,960
you know, personally, I think that's

4026
03:06:32,399 --> 03:06:39,760
like the best um the best kind of not

4027
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:42,399
the best of the four, but it's a great

4028
03:06:39,760 --> 03:06:45,520
program and I think we can support it.

4029
03:06:42,399 --> 03:06:50,000
Others Yes.

4030
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:52,319
I'm wondering for the rest of us um

4031
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:53,920
for for time's sake, should we go each

4032
03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:55,680
go through all of them or can we say if

4033
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:57,439
there's one that we want to pull out and

4034
03:06:55,680 --> 03:06:59,520
discuss otherwise assume we all are

4035
03:06:57,439 --> 03:07:00,080
agreeable for all all the reasons you

4036
03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:02,640
listed.

4037
03:07:00,080 --> 03:07:05,840
» Yeah, I was sort of setting um a

4038
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:08,000
potential set of reasons why perhaps

4039
03:07:05,840 --> 03:07:09,760
other council members might be

4040
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:12,479
supportive of this. That's the reason I

4041
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:13,920
went into it. Thanks. But I'm open to

4042
03:07:12,479 --> 03:07:15,760
whatever council members would like to

4043
03:07:13,920 --> 03:07:18,720
do. No, thank you for doing that. I

4044
03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:22,840
agree to all those reasons and approving

4045
03:07:18,720 --> 03:07:22,840
all of those that are listed.

4046
03:07:29,920 --> 03:07:33,600
I just want to say I do agree with

4047
03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:37,120
everything the mayor has just said and

4048
03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:41,040
councelor Kerna. Um, but I want to add

4049
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:44,399
that I think it's important to maintain

4050
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:46,640
staff rather than bringing in new staff

4051
03:07:44,399 --> 03:07:49,680
that then have to be trained and don't

4052
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:53,720
know the history. And so I think these

4053
03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:53,720
programs are amazing.

4054
03:07:54,319 --> 03:07:59,600
» That sounds like a sport. Everybody a

4055
03:07:57,279 --> 03:08:01,040
verbal thumbs up. All right.

4056
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:04,800
» All right. We'll move to the next slide

4057
03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:07,120
and go through the same exercise. Um so

4058
03:08:04,800 --> 03:08:09,840
Sam will address the three CMO requests

4059
03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:11,359
and then you already heard from uh Jeff

4060
03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:13,520
in terms of the compensation policy

4061
03:08:11,359 --> 03:08:15,200
analysis.

4062
03:08:13,520 --> 03:08:16,640
» Great. Thank you Diana. So the Sundance

4063
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:18,399
request is a little bit of a late ad

4064
03:08:16,640 --> 03:08:20,000
here. I had the opportunity to attend

4065
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:22,960
one of our coordination meetings and I

4066
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:25,120
realized how many unknowns there are

4067
03:08:22,960 --> 03:08:26,720
about Sundance coming up from the amount

4068
03:08:25,120 --> 03:08:29,279
of trash pickup to additional signage

4069
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:31,840
and notifications. This set aside is

4070
03:08:29,279 --> 03:08:33,840
really intended to be an if needed if

4071
03:08:31,840 --> 03:08:35,200
there are additional costs to allow us

4072
03:08:33,840 --> 03:08:36,880
to get that information and then in

4073
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:39,840
future years we can start anticipating

4074
03:08:36,880 --> 03:08:41,760
that and budgeting for that. The cost

4075
03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:43,680
allocation analysis uh you might have

4076
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:47,040
remembered from the finance committee a

4077
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:48,880
strategic planning document. So looking

4078
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:51,359
at what we're doing there as we've been

4079
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:52,560
evolving that using that for cost

4080
03:08:51,359 --> 03:08:53,920
allocation is something that we think

4081
03:08:52,560 --> 03:08:55,760
would be really beneficial for this

4082
03:08:53,920 --> 03:08:58,399
organization to get a really good feel

4083
03:08:55,760 --> 03:08:59,600
for where everyone is placed. That

4084
03:08:58,399 --> 03:09:01,439
dollar amount is something that we're

4085
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:03,359
working on refining as we refine the

4086
03:09:01,439 --> 03:09:05,200
scope of what this cost allocation is.

4087
03:09:03,359 --> 03:09:06,640
But this will help us truly understand

4088
03:09:05,200 --> 03:09:08,399
our programs and the cost of our

4089
03:09:06,640 --> 03:09:11,439
programs to put council in a place to

4090
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:13,040
make those strategic decisions.

4091
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:14,880
And then I'll skip over to the community

4092
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:16,560
survey. So this is a community survey

4093
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:18,800
that we have been doing every four years

4094
03:09:16,560 --> 03:09:21,600
for many years now. We are next up in

4095
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:23,040
2028. This is used in a lot of our

4096
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:24,560
strategic planning and our budget

4097
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:26,160
considerations and departmental

4098
03:09:24,560 --> 03:09:28,319
considerations when they're prioritizing

4099
03:09:26,160 --> 03:09:31,640
items. It's really a baseline that we'd

4100
03:09:28,319 --> 03:09:31,640
like to continue.

4101
03:09:34,479 --> 03:09:39,040
» Okay. Any questions from council members

4102
03:09:36,560 --> 03:09:40,319
about these four?

4103
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:43,200
» I do have a question.

4104
03:09:40,319 --> 03:09:44,479
» Yes. uh member pro Tim and then council

4105
03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:46,399
member Hefner.

4106
03:09:44,479 --> 03:09:47,840
» Um I do have a question regarding the

4107
03:09:46,399 --> 03:09:48,960
community survey. I from my

4108
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:50,640
understanding there's some pretty

4109
03:09:48,960 --> 03:09:53,520
consistent questions so we can track

4110
03:09:50,640 --> 03:09:55,120
metrics over time. Um, you know, we

4111
03:09:53,520 --> 03:09:57,600
don't necessarily have to get into the

4112
03:09:55,120 --> 03:09:59,279
details today, but I I am curious given

4113
03:09:57,600 --> 03:10:02,720
some of the concerns and feedbacks

4114
03:09:59,279 --> 03:10:05,120
around um multiple consultants asking

4115
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:07,600
similar questions if this isn't an

4116
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:11,520
opportunity to maybe blend some of that

4117
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:13,520
into this existing survey um to maybe

4118
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:14,800
save some dollars in some area other

4119
03:10:13,520 --> 03:10:16,479
areas as well.

4120
03:10:14,800 --> 03:10:17,680
» Yeah, thank you mayor. That's a great

4121
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:19,359
question and that's something that we

4122
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:20,880
have been looking to each time we've

4123
03:10:19,359 --> 03:10:22,800
done the survey. For example, when we

4124
03:10:20,880 --> 03:10:24,880
did the survey in 2024, we incorporated

4125
03:10:22,800 --> 03:10:26,160
some comprehensive plan questions. I'll

4126
03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:29,439
also throw out that one of the things

4127
03:10:26,160 --> 03:10:30,960
we're looking at is as with updating our

4128
03:10:29,439 --> 03:10:32,160
KPIs, we're going to take the

4129
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:33,359
opportunity to look at the survey and

4130
03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:35,600
make sure that we're asking what we

4131
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:37,279
should be asking. And I'd like to look

4132
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:38,960
at making sure that we're aligning with

4133
03:10:37,279 --> 03:10:40,800
nationally benchmarkable questions so

4134
03:10:38,960 --> 03:10:42,880
that when we set a KPI, it's not that we

4135
03:10:40,800 --> 03:10:44,399
expect 100% satisfaction on a question

4136
03:10:42,880 --> 03:10:47,359
response, which is never going to

4137
03:10:44,399 --> 03:10:48,560
happen. Um, but that we are measuring

4138
03:10:47,359 --> 03:10:49,760
oursel maybe in something more

4139
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:53,479
realistic, right? like we're going to be

4140
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:53,479
above the national benchmark.

4141
03:10:54,160 --> 03:10:57,680
» Council member Hefner.

4142
03:10:55,439 --> 03:11:01,040
» Yeah, Mayor Mayor Prom stole most of my

4143
03:10:57,680 --> 03:11:04,000
thunder. Um, I I agree with that point

4144
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:05,600
and and

4145
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:07,200
maybe this isn't a budget item, but if

4146
03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:09,359
there's a way on other consultant work

4147
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:12,399
that we can refer them back to the

4148
03:11:09,359 --> 03:11:16,000
community survey and demand that they

4149
03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:18,000
not reinvent the wheel and and rely

4150
03:11:16,000 --> 03:11:19,920
rely on the fact that we know full well

4151
03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:21,040
people value open space in downtown

4152
03:11:19,920 --> 03:11:23,200
Louisville and they don't need to go

4153
03:11:21,040 --> 03:11:26,880
around focus grouping those questions a

4154
03:11:23,200 --> 03:11:28,640
second time. Um,

4155
03:11:26,880 --> 03:11:31,760
and then I also would like to see the

4156
03:11:28,640 --> 03:11:34,240
cost allocation study refined somewhat.

4157
03:11:31,760 --> 03:11:38,439
$100,000 seems like a lot for an

4158
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:38,439
organization of our size.

4159
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:45,200
» Any other comments?

4160
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:46,720
» Just so that you do have like additional

4161
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:48,479
comment on that. That was going to be my

4162
03:11:46,720 --> 03:11:51,200
statement was that the that cost

4163
03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:55,760
allocation analysis seems a little steep

4164
03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:55,760
for what I the value it'll add. Thanks.

4165
03:11:57,359 --> 03:12:04,000
All right. Um,

4166
03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:06,160
do we have uh with the

4167
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:08,800
qualifications mentioned, do we have a

4168
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:10,800
thumbs up?

4169
03:12:08,800 --> 03:12:13,359
» Okay.

4170
03:12:10,800 --> 03:12:14,800
Great.

4171
03:12:13,359 --> 03:12:16,800
» All right. Thank you. We're next going

4172
03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:20,640
to get into summary of city manager

4173
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:22,960
recommended personnel adjustments.

4174
03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:25,520
All right. This is the opportunity um

4175
03:12:22,960 --> 03:12:28,000
you've heard in previous slides about

4176
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:30,240
positions that have been proposed. This

4177
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:33,120
is the opportunity to ask questions

4178
03:12:30,240 --> 03:12:35,200
about these positions. Um specifically,

4179
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:37,520
I would ask uh Director Blackmore to

4180
03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:39,600
address the deputy director for parks,

4181
03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:42,080
recreation, and open space. This may

4182
03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:44,319
seem like a big ask, but there's there

4183
03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:47,279
are very good reasons for this. And then

4184
03:12:44,319 --> 03:12:49,120
also I would like um Kurt to address the

4185
03:12:47,279 --> 03:12:51,040
civil engineer one two positions

4186
03:12:49,120 --> 03:12:52,160
specifically but if you have any other

4187
03:12:51,040 --> 03:12:55,040
positions that you would like the

4188
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:56,160
directors to address um we can do that

4189
03:12:55,040 --> 03:12:59,840
as well.

4190
03:12:56,160 --> 03:13:02,640
Can I ask one question

4191
03:12:59,840 --> 03:13:04,240
as we're going through this? Um if it's

4192
03:13:02,640 --> 03:13:07,680
possible

4193
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:10,399
and I this is just for my information um

4194
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:12,720
to indicate how many FTEEs

4195
03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:16,720
are currently in I mean there's three of

4196
03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:18,640
them for pros and recreation four and

4197
03:13:16,720 --> 03:13:20,240
then one for operations, two for

4198
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:22,399
engineering. if you if there's any way

4199
03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:27,040
to you know indicate what the current

4200
03:13:22,399 --> 03:13:29,520
FTE number is um that's just helpful.

4201
03:13:27,040 --> 03:13:31,920
It's a little data point. It's a little

4202
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:33,760
tiny data point which has to be

4203
03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:35,120
considered

4204
03:13:33,760 --> 03:13:39,960
in light of a whole bunch of other

4205
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:39,960
things but I appreciate if you do that.

4206
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:47,120
» I'll go. No pressure. Thank you for

4207
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:48,960
saying I have really good reasons for

4208
03:13:47,120 --> 03:13:50,239
it. Before I say what

4209
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:51,840
» Donations are welcome.

4210
03:13:50,239 --> 03:13:54,479
» That's right. That's right. Uh first I

4211
03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:57,439
do want to just kudos to city manager

4212
03:13:54,479 --> 03:14:01,920
Langley and director Bailey for finding

4213
03:13:57,439 --> 03:14:03,680
a kind of creative way to get the deputy

4214
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:05,520
um funds [clears throat]

4215
03:14:03,680 --> 03:14:07,279
required for salary and benefits

4216
03:14:05,520 --> 03:14:10,239
incorporated throughout the department

4217
03:14:07,279 --> 03:14:12,640
to uh allow for what seems to be a a

4218
03:14:10,239 --> 03:14:15,760
decent modeling um especially with the

4219
03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:17,520
direction from today. Uh so just a few

4220
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:19,040
things on the deputy director. I would

4221
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:22,080
start with the cost including the

4222
03:14:19,040 --> 03:14:26,800
benefits. It's uh projected at a

4223
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:30,319
mid-range higher of the pay rate for

4224
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:32,479
other deputies positions throughout

4225
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:34,319
um the city. Uh other departments that

4226
03:14:32,479 --> 03:14:38,399
currently do have that deputy director

4227
03:14:34,319 --> 03:14:41,120
position in place. Um so just notating

4228
03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:42,880
that as a jumping off point that it may

4229
03:14:41,120 --> 03:14:46,640
or may not be a little less or a little

4230
03:14:42,880 --> 03:14:48,960
more than that. Um, a few reasons for

4231
03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:50,319
the request uh through the city manager

4232
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:53,439
for this consideration and now to

4233
03:14:50,319 --> 03:14:56,720
council. Uh, as you've seen uh during

4234
03:14:53,439 --> 03:14:58,000
our retreat about a year ago um and

4235
03:14:56,720 --> 03:14:59,439
through these ongoing budget

4236
03:14:58,000 --> 03:15:03,680
discussions, this department is

4237
03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:06,720
incredibly broad, has u high level of

4238
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:09,520
intensity and passion from our community

4239
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:11,200
for high levels of service and varying

4240
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:15,520
degrees of expertise and wants and

4241
03:15:11,200 --> 03:15:18,000
needs. Um and with that breath comes a

4242
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:20,080
lot of individualized attention from the

4243
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:22,239
director position which as I mentioned a

4244
03:15:20,080 --> 03:15:25,040
year ago was known coming into the role.

4245
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:30,560
Um I do think that we have evolved to a

4246
03:15:25,040 --> 03:15:32,880
place with um administrative needs at at

4247
03:15:30,560 --> 03:15:34,720
uh to assist me with the day-to-day to

4248
03:15:32,880 --> 03:15:37,680
assist with the oversight of the seven

4249
03:15:34,720 --> 03:15:40,160
direct reports um that are currently

4250
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:43,120
reporting to the director. Um, in

4251
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:47,040
addition to other things like attending

4252
03:15:43,120 --> 03:15:50,319
advisory board meetings, um, unscheduled

4253
03:15:47,040 --> 03:15:52,080
public meetings, potentially task force,

4254
03:15:50,319 --> 03:15:54,479
uh, related to things like golf fees and

4255
03:15:52,080 --> 03:15:56,479
that kind of thing that having another

4256
03:15:54,479 --> 03:15:58,239
administrative level, executive level

4257
03:15:56,479 --> 03:16:01,359
employee to assist the department would

4258
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:03,439
be would be a a great benefit. Um, I

4259
03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:05,279
also think there are a few positions

4260
03:16:03,439 --> 03:16:07,520
that we put forward for the department

4261
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:10,720
that were not put forward in the model.

4262
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:13,279
one of which is a project supervisor to

4263
03:16:10,720 --> 03:16:16,319
assist our project manager Weber with an

4264
03:16:13,279 --> 03:16:19,359
ongoing uh backlog um and a continued

4265
03:16:16,319 --> 03:16:21,279
growing list of capital projects uh that

4266
03:16:19,359 --> 03:16:24,880
the community and council desire for

4267
03:16:21,279 --> 03:16:26,720
completion at a high level. Um, and this

4268
03:16:24,880 --> 03:16:29,279
position would potentially be assigned

4269
03:16:26,720 --> 03:16:30,640
to assist with those efforts as well and

4270
03:16:29,279 --> 03:16:33,680
oversee those projects at an

4271
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:36,160
administrative level that are currently,

4272
03:16:33,680 --> 03:16:39,279
if they're able to, they're being given

4273
03:16:36,160 --> 03:16:41,439
to operating staff and supervisors um to

4274
03:16:39,279 --> 03:16:43,760
oversee some of the day-to-day type of

4275
03:16:41,439 --> 03:16:46,560
capital projects that Brian can't

4276
03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:48,560
incorporate into his workload um which

4277
03:16:46,560 --> 03:16:52,239
obviously results in some inefficiencies

4278
03:16:48,560 --> 03:16:54,319
and some ineffective use of time um for

4279
03:16:52,239 --> 03:16:56,479
those fields. staff that could now be

4280
03:16:54,319 --> 03:16:58,000
freed up um to allow them to get back

4281
03:16:56,479 --> 03:16:59,600
out into the field and supervise the

4282
03:16:58,000 --> 03:17:01,520
operation instead of spending so much

4283
03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:03,760
administrative time on contracts and

4284
03:17:01,520 --> 03:17:07,600
working with contractors to get those

4285
03:17:03,760 --> 03:17:09,359
projects completed. Um,

4286
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:11,279
I already talked a little bit about the

4287
03:17:09,359 --> 03:17:14,239
guest service component of the position,

4288
03:17:11,279 --> 03:17:16,080
but there does you know there there with

4289
03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:18,560
the high level of engagement of this

4290
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:21,040
community, there are delays in

4291
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:22,800
communicating with staff effectively um,

4292
03:17:21,040 --> 03:17:24,239
you know, addressing concerns, that kind

4293
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:26,319
of thing, the high level of service

4294
03:17:24,239 --> 03:17:29,200
expectation, uh, which could also be

4295
03:17:26,319 --> 03:17:31,279
offset with this position as well. Um,

4296
03:17:29,200 --> 03:17:32,560
and lastly, and I I don't know if this

4297
03:17:31,279 --> 03:17:35,040
is the most important or the least

4298
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:37,120
important, is the succession planning

4299
03:17:35,040 --> 03:17:39,760
factor. Back to Council Member Fehees

4300
03:17:37,120 --> 03:17:43,040
point about making sure that that

4301
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:45,760
knowledge is retained. Um, you know,

4302
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:47,760
having that deputy position that could

4303
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:49,520
come in and learn the ropes, the

4304
03:17:47,760 --> 03:17:50,880
administration, the ins and outs of how

4305
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:52,479
this department works. It's an

4306
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:55,439
incredibly challenging, as I've learned

4307
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:57,680
over the last four and a half years, um,

4308
03:17:55,439 --> 03:17:59,760
acclamation. It's a very unique

4309
03:17:57,680 --> 03:18:01,120
position, a unique uh community as it

4310
03:17:59,760 --> 03:18:03,359
relates to parks, wreck, and open space

4311
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:05,040
as we've talked about a lot today. Um so

4312
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:07,680
having that ability to have kind of a

4313
03:18:05,040 --> 03:18:09,680
number two and having that knowledge in

4314
03:18:07,680 --> 03:18:11,680
place, um I think would also be very

4315
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:13,600
beneficial. So at a high level, those

4316
03:18:11,680 --> 03:18:15,200
were a lot of the rationale items that

4317
03:18:13,600 --> 03:18:17,040
you'd see on the position request in

4318
03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:21,279
your packet today. Um and just some

4319
03:18:17,040 --> 03:18:24,160
anecdotal information from me.

4320
03:18:21,279 --> 03:18:25,680
Do you have an idea of how many people

4321
03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:27,439
currently

4322
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:29,840
» I I can answer that question. I just ran

4323
03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:31,760
the data and we'll have I do. Go ahead.

4324
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:32,800
» Should we see if they're the same?

4325
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:35,120
» It's a tag team.

4326
03:18:32,800 --> 03:18:36,640
» Um well, we have a we include a FTE

4327
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:38,640
recon as part of our budget materials.

4328
03:18:36,640 --> 03:18:42,239
We'll have that in September. Um we have

4329
03:18:38,640 --> 03:18:45,359
approximately 300 FTEES of which 122

4330
03:18:42,239 --> 03:18:47,200
FTEES are parks, wreck, open space, and

4331
03:18:45,359 --> 03:18:48,960
golf. And when you factor in, you know,

4332
03:18:47,200 --> 03:18:51,520
a lot of variables in there, we probably

4333
03:18:48,960 --> 03:18:53,279
have closer to 500 employees and I would

4334
03:18:51,520 --> 03:18:54,960
say over half are in parks, wreck, open

4335
03:18:53,279 --> 03:18:58,000
space, and golf.

4336
03:18:54,960 --> 03:18:59,760
» Appreciate that. It's for scale of these

4337
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:01,439
changes. I think it's important for the

4338
03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:03,359
public to know

4339
03:19:01,439 --> 03:19:05,372
» Um that you're not a threeperson

4340
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:06,399
department.

4341
03:19:05,372 --> 03:19:10,239
[laughter]

4342
03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:12,000
» All right. Um could we're going to shift

4343
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:13,920
to operations

4344
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:16,560
» And then maybe real quick before Kurt

4345
03:19:13,920 --> 03:19:18,960
you hop in. You've got 50 eighth FTEES

4346
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:22,600
out of 300. So about one out of six

4347
03:19:18,960 --> 03:19:22,600
employees is yours.

4348
03:19:22,640 --> 03:19:28,640
» Thank you. Scale-wise, how much of the

4349
03:19:24,880 --> 03:19:30,640
budget do those 50 responsible for? If

4350
03:19:28,640 --> 03:19:33,120
we mess up budget, what's our risk?

4351
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:34,319
» Utilities is a material uh component of

4352
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:36,960
our budget.

4353
03:19:34,319 --> 03:19:39,279
» All the directors now,

4354
03:19:36,960 --> 03:19:39,600
less people more, [laughter]

4355
03:19:39,279 --> 03:19:41,120
» Right?

4356
03:19:39,600 --> 03:19:43,200
» Uh good questions. Uh,

4357
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:45,520
» This is not a this was not meant to

4358
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:46,080
create controversy, just provide a

4359
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:47,359
little

4360
03:19:46,080 --> 03:19:49,040
» Scale. We're just having fun. That's

4361
03:19:47,359 --> 03:19:52,080
all. I'm just trying to give you the

4362
03:19:49,040 --> 03:19:54,080
lightness in the day. Um, all right.

4363
03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:57,520
Civil engineer. So, our engineering

4364
03:19:54,080 --> 03:19:59,600
department, they run uh almost all your

4365
03:19:57,520 --> 03:20:01,359
construction in the city and they're

4366
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:02,800
handling tens of millions, sometimes

4367
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:05,200
over hundred million dollars worth of

4368
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:07,279
work. Uh, some of your most critical

4369
03:20:05,200 --> 03:20:11,359
high-profile projects. That department

4370
03:20:07,279 --> 03:20:13,359
has not been fully staffed since 2019.

4371
03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:16,479
Despite that, they regularly deliver

4372
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:19,200
projects and deal with disasters and

4373
03:20:16,479 --> 03:20:21,439
deal with community expectations. Uh

4374
03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:23,920
we've done that uh we've accomplished

4375
03:20:21,439 --> 03:20:25,680
that I think through dedication of of

4376
03:20:23,920 --> 03:20:28,080
several long-term employees that have

4377
03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:30,000
retired in the last several years. We've

4378
03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:32,399
done that through working nights and

4379
03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:34,800
weekends. Uh, and we used to get away

4380
03:20:32,399 --> 03:20:37,279
with that because contractors would do

4381
03:20:34,800 --> 03:20:38,800
what they said or we had long-term

4382
03:20:37,279 --> 03:20:40,640
employees that made things that are

4383
03:20:38,800 --> 03:20:43,040
really complex look really easy to get

4384
03:20:40,640 --> 03:20:45,520
done. But as the world has changed

4385
03:20:43,040 --> 03:20:48,960
because of co uh you can't hire someone

4386
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:51,680
and have them do the job well uh and and

4387
03:20:48,960 --> 03:20:52,960
and not have to babysit them. I don't

4388
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:54,960
know how many people love the word

4389
03:20:52,960 --> 03:20:57,200
intrepid right now, but I'm sure you all

4390
03:20:54,960 --> 03:20:59,600
love intrepid. Uh but that's just one

4391
03:20:57,200 --> 03:21:01,200
example of a lot of projects we do

4392
03:20:59,600 --> 03:21:03,680
throughout the year that require a lot

4393
03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:05,439
of effort to make sure it goes well. Our

4394
03:21:03,680 --> 03:21:08,239
resident expectations I think

4395
03:21:05,439 --> 03:21:12,880
continually climb of how we interact

4396
03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:14,880
with them and the uh I would say uh high

4397
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:18,080
customer service nature at which we have

4398
03:21:14,880 --> 03:21:20,000
to respond to emails or phone calls when

4399
03:21:18,080 --> 03:21:22,399
projects happen. So so everything's

4400
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:23,920
taking longer. We've had people that

4401
03:21:22,399 --> 03:21:26,160
used to be able to make it look easy

4402
03:21:23,920 --> 03:21:28,160
leave. So now we're bringing in new

4403
03:21:26,160 --> 03:21:30,800
people. New people don't stay for 20 or

4404
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:32,960
30 years. They stay for three years and

4405
03:21:30,800 --> 03:21:34,960
then they go and they get a better job.

4406
03:21:32,960 --> 03:21:37,520
Um so there's time caught up in the

4407
03:21:34,960 --> 03:21:39,760
churn of recruiting, training, getting

4408
03:21:37,520 --> 03:21:42,239
them up to speed and they leave. So we

4409
03:21:39,760 --> 03:21:44,399
need to make up for that time. And then

4410
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:47,760
skill set. We just have a different

4411
03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:50,399
skill set coming in. uh we a we have

4412
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:55,520
positions that ask people to do five to

4413
03:21:50,399 --> 03:21:57,359
10 different roles and uh run 10 to 20

4414
03:21:55,520 --> 03:21:59,680
different projects and do that all one

4415
03:21:57,359 --> 03:22:02,239
time and do it well. And the the

4416
03:21:59,680 --> 03:22:05,120
incoming uh workforce just isn't

4417
03:22:02,239 --> 03:22:08,160
equipped to do that. So we need to uh in

4418
03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:10,880
this case split a position we had into

4419
03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:13,200
two engineers so that we can keep up and

4420
03:22:10,880 --> 03:22:17,279
it's sustainable and a lot of times just

4421
03:22:13,200 --> 03:22:18,640
cover the the churn. So, um, see if I

4422
03:22:17,279 --> 03:22:22,880
have anything else in there that I'm

4423
03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:24,800
missing. Um, I do think it also comes

4424
03:22:22,880 --> 03:22:27,279
down to quality, making sure we keep our

4425
03:22:24,800 --> 03:22:29,840
quality up in delivery of our projects.

4426
03:22:27,279 --> 03:22:31,520
And also just I think cost

4427
03:22:29,840 --> 03:22:33,760
responsibility. When we're delivering

4428
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:36,160
this much money, if we know we're not

4429
03:22:33,760 --> 03:22:38,880
watching it well and we know we're going

4430
03:22:36,160 --> 03:22:40,560
to miss, um, we need to make sure we

4431
03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:43,279
correct that so we have the right amount

4432
03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:45,120
of eyes to, uh, be responsible to the

4433
03:22:43,279 --> 03:22:47,439
taxpayer dollar.

4434
03:22:45,120 --> 03:22:50,160
I'll stop there. So, what do I have? You

4435
03:22:47,439 --> 03:22:54,359
said I have like 50. Hopefully, I'll

4436
03:22:50,160 --> 03:22:54,359
have 53 after this conversation.

4437
03:22:57,680 --> 03:23:02,560
» Yes, thank you for the reminder. Uh the

4438
03:23:00,399 --> 03:23:06,160
traditional budget process doesn't

4439
03:23:02,560 --> 03:23:09,120
always match our reality. Our reality is

4440
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:11,200
we're we're underwater now. So, we would

4441
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:13,840
suggest that this engineer position be

4442
03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:15,680
filled now with a budget amendment uh so

4443
03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:18,399
that we can uh we do have current

4444
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:20,800
candidates that we could slot in uh and

4445
03:23:18,399 --> 03:23:23,279
if the council feels that's good value,

4446
03:23:20,800 --> 03:23:25,520
then we would hire that position now uh

4447
03:23:23,279 --> 03:23:29,479
and help dig out for the the workload

4448
03:23:25,520 --> 03:23:29,479
that we're currently in.

4449
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:35,680
Thank you for the consideration.

4450
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:39,120
Um,

4451
03:23:35,680 --> 03:23:42,880
as a follow-up question to that, either

4452
03:23:39,120 --> 03:23:47,760
to you or city manager or the finance

4453
03:23:42,880 --> 03:23:52,399
director, is there room in current

4454
03:23:47,760 --> 03:23:56,960
budget for the department to cover an

4455
03:23:52,399 --> 03:23:58,800
early or not an early but a an immediate

4456
03:23:56,960 --> 03:24:01,760
filling of that position should council

4457
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:02,960
decide to do it. Um, mayor, I would say

4458
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:04,560
I would look into this a little further,

4459
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:06,319
do some analysis, but it's very likely

4460
03:24:04,560 --> 03:24:09,439
that you're able to do that. This is one

4461
03:24:06,319 --> 03:24:11,200
of those uh benefits of having uh good

4462
03:24:09,439 --> 03:24:13,680
fiscal conservatism and some fund

4463
03:24:11,200 --> 03:24:15,840
balance in case uh you're not able to

4464
03:24:13,680 --> 03:24:17,120
generate the current year savings, which

4465
03:24:15,840 --> 03:24:18,319
I could look into. I would just say at

4466
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:21,760
this point it's likely you'll be able to

4467
03:24:18,319 --> 03:24:24,080
do so. I'm going to suggest that that

4468
03:24:21,760 --> 03:24:26,800
may not be quite ripe, but it could be

4469
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:30,160
ripe with a little bit of analysis and

4470
03:24:26,800 --> 03:24:34,479
maybe coming back to council with a

4471
03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:37,040
proposal um of some sort. Not making any

4472
03:24:34,479 --> 03:24:38,800
decision today about that, I think,

4473
03:24:37,040 --> 03:24:39,840
based on the information we have, but I

4474
03:24:38,800 --> 03:24:41,840
appreciate

4475
03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:44,160
» Also connecting some dots that are on

4476
03:24:41,840 --> 03:24:47,040
different slides. The development review

4477
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:49,279
fee will cover some of this position in

4478
03:24:47,040 --> 03:24:52,399
the future. uh timelines for development

4479
03:24:49,279 --> 03:24:54,640
review can eb and flow depending on our

4480
03:24:52,399 --> 03:24:56,720
staffing levels which impacts our

4481
03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:59,520
commercial customers and our partners

4482
03:24:56,720 --> 03:25:02,479
out there in the business world. Um also

4483
03:24:59,520 --> 03:25:05,279
we do rely heavily on consultants to

4484
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:07,120
manage our peak workload and we've had

4485
03:25:05,279 --> 03:25:09,520
to rely more and more on consultants. So

4486
03:25:07,120 --> 03:25:12,000
we'll be reducing our consultant costs

4487
03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:14,000
as well. So we're not just asking for a

4488
03:25:12,000 --> 03:25:15,600
new position without trying to offset it

4489
03:25:14,000 --> 03:25:17,200
and make it a neutral ad in the long

4490
03:25:15,600 --> 03:25:19,279
run.

4491
03:25:17,200 --> 03:25:21,920
And I again I'm going to sort of take

4492
03:25:19,279 --> 03:25:24,640
the liberty of speaking for all of

4493
03:25:21,920 --> 03:25:29,439
council. We know that you are working

4494
03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:34,080
very hard to try to cut and and bring

4495
03:25:29,439 --> 03:25:39,040
costs for personnel and everything else

4496
03:25:34,080 --> 03:25:42,960
down or steady or with as

4497
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:47,920
modest an increase as possible. Um so

4498
03:25:42,960 --> 03:25:50,399
just be I think to make that clear or um

4499
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:54,080
expressed to you I think is worth worth

4500
03:25:50,399 --> 03:25:55,680
doing. Um

4501
03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:57,920
so that if there are there any other

4502
03:25:55,680 --> 03:26:00,880
questions on any of the other proposed

4503
03:25:57,920 --> 03:26:02,720
positions on this slide and then we need

4504
03:26:00,880 --> 03:26:04,479
to know if there's general council

4505
03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:06,319
support for these positions in terms of

4506
03:26:04,479 --> 03:26:07,760
the 27

4507
03:26:06,319 --> 03:26:09,840
budget.

4508
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:11,120
» Okay. Council members. Yes. Council

4509
03:26:09,840 --> 03:26:13,600
member Kurt.

4510
03:26:11,120 --> 03:26:15,439
» Um, so Director Blackmore, you kind of

4511
03:26:13,600 --> 03:26:17,520
set us up for a teaser and then didn't

4512
03:26:15,439 --> 03:26:19,760
tell us. You said that uh the city

4513
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:22,560
manager gotten had some creative ideas

4514
03:26:19,760 --> 03:26:24,479
on coming up with the funding for the

4515
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:27,279
deputy director position.

4516
03:26:24,479 --> 03:26:28,960
» I didn't mean to be a teaser. Um, but on

4517
03:26:27,279 --> 03:26:31,760
at the surface level, it seems like it's

4518
03:26:28,960 --> 03:26:33,200
a administrative general funded parks

4519
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:35,680
and wreck administrative type of

4520
03:26:33,200 --> 03:26:38,319
position. and we worked to really

4521
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:40,640
delegate out um to the various funds

4522
03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:42,160
within the department um where we

4523
03:26:40,640 --> 03:26:44,880
thought a lot of the work would end up

4524
03:26:42,160 --> 03:26:46,080
going with this position. And so it's

4525
03:26:44,880 --> 03:26:48,000
just spread out as you would have seen

4526
03:26:46,080 --> 03:26:50,560
through the previous slides at 20% here,

4527
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:51,920
15% there, that kind of a thing instead

4528
03:26:50,560 --> 03:26:52,560
of just trying to have it all hit the

4529
03:26:51,920 --> 03:26:54,640
general fund.

4530
03:26:52,560 --> 03:26:55,680
» Oh, okay. That Okay, that that makes me

4531
03:26:54,640 --> 03:26:58,239
understand things a little bit better.

4532
03:26:55,680 --> 03:27:00,239
And then the uh the recent at nights

4533
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:01,600
it's not a full-time. It's I guess a

4534
03:27:00,239 --> 03:27:03,439
32-hour almost

4535
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:06,560
» Full time. It's a It's a tier two

4536
03:27:03,439 --> 03:27:08,080
full-time up to 35 hours. Um, no

4537
03:27:06,560 --> 03:27:10,880
overtime without approval, that kind of

4538
03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:12,800
a thing, maxed out. Um, it's kind of a

4539
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:14,080
one and a half,

4540
03:27:12,800 --> 03:27:15,120
» But a benefited position.

4541
03:27:14,080 --> 03:27:16,800
» Yeah, benefited position.

4542
03:27:15,120 --> 03:27:20,080
» Um, and is this one of the things that's

4543
03:27:16,800 --> 03:27:22,640
going to allow us to um have some like

4544
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:24,560
better night hours instead of I mean, or

4545
03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:26,239
are we just short staffed for the the

4546
03:27:24,560 --> 03:27:27,200
current early evening hours we have?

4547
03:27:26,239 --> 03:27:30,160
Now,

4548
03:27:27,200 --> 03:27:32,720
» Part of the hour setup is demand and

4549
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:35,040
programming demand. after we expand and

4550
03:27:32,720 --> 03:27:38,239
we construct constrict and expand based

4551
03:27:35,040 --> 03:27:41,120
on usage of the facility. Um, but this

4552
03:27:38,239 --> 03:27:42,960
certainly if we were to do permanent

4553
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:44,640
expansion till the 9:00 p.m. closure

4554
03:27:42,960 --> 03:27:48,399
would give us that level of consistency

4555
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:50,160
and it would give us I mean an ongoing

4556
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:52,800
professional full-time level employee

4557
03:27:50,160 --> 03:27:55,439
overseeing the facility in the evenings.

4558
03:27:52,800 --> 03:27:57,680
And this this is uh I I think I remember

4559
03:27:55,439 --> 03:27:59,200
you discussed this before with us, but I

4560
03:27:57,680 --> 03:28:00,560
just because we're in the budget retreat

4561
03:27:59,200 --> 03:28:01,840
now and there are people watching, I

4562
03:28:00,560 --> 03:28:03,680
want to bring it up again. So the youth

4563
03:28:01,840 --> 03:28:06,800
and sports coordinator position that is

4564
03:28:03,680 --> 03:28:10,239
new. You had mentioned to us that you

4565
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:13,760
believed there was a revenue benefit to

4566
03:28:10,239 --> 03:28:15,920
this position in in order to like create

4567
03:28:13,760 --> 03:28:17,520
programming that essentially that job

4568
03:28:15,920 --> 03:28:19,680
will pay for itself. Is that correct? Is

4569
03:28:17,520 --> 03:28:21,359
that still the assumption?

4570
03:28:19,680 --> 03:28:23,200
» I don't know if I go that far. Okay. But

4571
03:28:21,359 --> 03:28:24,720
it does I will say that there is a

4572
03:28:23,200 --> 03:28:27,520
significant

4573
03:28:24,720 --> 03:28:29,200
offset to this position because that

4574
03:28:27,520 --> 03:28:31,279
most of the role is currently being

4575
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:33,040
filled by variable labor that will no

4576
03:28:31,279 --> 03:28:35,600
longer be needed.

4577
03:28:33,040 --> 03:28:37,359
» Um and so they'll be overseeing a lot of

4578
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:38,560
you know weekend sports that kind of

4579
03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:40,319
thing. The other thing that I had

4580
03:28:38,560 --> 03:28:42,479
mentioned in previous discussion was we

4581
03:28:40,319 --> 03:28:44,000
do have weight lists for a number of our

4582
03:28:42,479 --> 03:28:46,080
programs and this would allow us the

4583
03:28:44,000 --> 03:28:47,920
opportunity to explore getting some of

4584
03:28:46,080 --> 03:28:50,960
the people off of that by an expanded

4585
03:28:47,920 --> 03:28:53,600
program offering. Um, it also gives us

4586
03:28:50,960 --> 03:28:55,600
the ability to, you know, evolve into

4587
03:28:53,600 --> 03:28:58,000
things like what we're going to do with

4588
03:28:55,600 --> 03:29:00,000
expanded programming with pickle ball or

4589
03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:01,760
future sports development as it relates

4590
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:04,880
to new parks and that kind of thing and

4591
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:06,319
has somebody um at a higher level at a

4592
03:29:04,880 --> 03:29:07,680
full-time position that's able to be

4593
03:29:06,319 --> 03:29:08,239
retained and trained and that kind of

4594
03:29:07,680 --> 03:29:10,319
thing.

4595
03:29:08,239 --> 03:29:12,800
» So, it wouldn't be 100% dedicated to

4596
03:29:10,319 --> 03:29:14,239
just youth sports. It's youth activities

4597
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:16,319
and all other sport.

4598
03:29:14,239 --> 03:29:19,120
» Correct. It's youth activities which I'

4599
03:29:16,319 --> 03:29:21,359
I'd highlight on that as well. Um

4600
03:29:19,120 --> 03:29:23,359
there's an assistance with summer camp

4601
03:29:21,359 --> 03:29:26,960
and our our current summer camp

4602
03:29:23,359 --> 03:29:29,040
supervisor is a tier 2 employee and so

4603
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:30,560
you know this position would help offset

4604
03:29:29,040 --> 03:29:32,160
you know those hours shortfalls. It

4605
03:29:30,560 --> 03:29:35,279
would also be able to provide a

4606
03:29:32,160 --> 03:29:37,840
supervisory level experience for um you

4607
03:29:35,279 --> 03:29:39,040
know field trips and um assist

4608
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:40,720
throughout the year with things like our

4609
03:29:39,040 --> 03:29:43,120
child watch program that's currently

4610
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:44,399
supervised by our fitness supervisor. So

4611
03:29:43,120 --> 03:29:46,239
this may give the ability for the

4612
03:29:44,399 --> 03:29:48,080
fitness supervisor to open up more time

4613
03:29:46,239 --> 03:29:50,880
to continue to meet the demand for

4614
03:29:48,080 --> 03:29:52,319
fitness programming. So there's a lot of

4615
03:29:50,880 --> 03:29:54,319
kind of hats this position would

4616
03:29:52,319 --> 03:29:55,680
potentially wear. It was also I think I

4617
03:29:54,319 --> 03:29:58,560
had mentioned it but it was originally

4618
03:29:55,680 --> 03:30:01,920
approved in 2021

4619
03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:03,359
I want to say um coming out of COVID

4620
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:04,720
there just wasn't the demand as there

4621
03:30:03,359 --> 03:30:06,800
was still some hesitancy to get back

4622
03:30:04,720 --> 03:30:08,640
into youth sports and so the money was

4623
03:30:06,800 --> 03:30:10,800
reallocated at that time into golf

4624
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:12,880
course maintenance to assist with some

4625
03:30:10,800 --> 03:30:14,319
growing needs there. Um, so this is

4626
03:30:12,880 --> 03:30:15,520
being brought back forward for

4627
03:30:14,319 --> 03:30:18,760
additional consideration.

4628
03:30:15,520 --> 03:30:18,760
» Thank you.

4629
03:30:19,120 --> 03:30:25,920
» Yes, Council Member Heftner.

4630
03:30:22,319 --> 03:30:27,920
» Um, two things. The, um, the first is I

4631
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:31,120
actually think we should just since it's

4632
03:30:27,920 --> 03:30:32,800
before us right now, say yes or no to

4633
03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:35,520
whether we want something to come back

4634
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:38,560
on filling the engineering position in

4635
03:30:35,520 --> 03:30:40,560
the near term. I'm a yes on that. just

4636
03:30:38,560 --> 03:30:42,880
given the amount of money that's flying

4637
03:30:40,560 --> 03:30:44,640
around on those projects, if we can

4638
03:30:42,880 --> 03:30:47,359
avoid one big mistake, this probably

4639
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:48,640
pays for itself. Um, do you think that's

4640
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:49,760
true?

4641
03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:52,560
» True.

4642
03:30:49,760 --> 03:30:54,720
» Um,

4643
03:30:52,560 --> 03:30:56,800
but to be clear, you're not suggesting

4644
03:30:54,720 --> 03:30:58,800
that it is a mistake going into

4645
03:30:56,800 --> 03:31:01,200
decision.

4646
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:02,800
» No, no, no, no. just just given that

4647
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:04,880
this the dollar amounts involved with

4648
03:31:02,800 --> 03:31:06,479
all of our various engineering projects.

4649
03:31:04,880 --> 03:31:08,399
I think if we're we're short an

4650
03:31:06,479 --> 03:31:11,359
engineer, let's let's get the engineer

4651
03:31:08,399 --> 03:31:12,960
hired because,

4652
03:31:11,359 --> 03:31:14,479
you know, if if you screw up a $30

4653
03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:17,279
million project, it's going to cost you

4654
03:31:14,479 --> 03:31:20,279
a lot more than 155k.

4655
03:31:17,279 --> 03:31:20,279
Um,

4656
03:31:20,560 --> 03:31:24,479
bigger picture though, I sort of have

4657
03:31:22,160 --> 03:31:26,880
the opposite point or just something

4658
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:29,840
that I want us all to keep in mind that

4659
03:31:26,880 --> 03:31:32,399
in 2018 we had, you know, approximately

4660
03:31:29,840 --> 03:31:35,200
240 FTEES.

4661
03:31:32,399 --> 03:31:37,439
Now we have 300. The population of

4662
03:31:35,200 --> 03:31:39,680
Lewisville has not grown. It's

4663
03:31:37,439 --> 03:31:42,720
essentially the same. Um, plus or minus

4664
03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:44,160
a few hundred. And you know, I know

4665
03:31:42,720 --> 03:31:46,160
we've all talked about there's reasons

4666
03:31:44,160 --> 03:31:49,200
for that around the rec center expansion

4667
03:31:46,160 --> 03:31:51,359
and so on. Um,

4668
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:54,800
but our property tax rate hasn't really

4669
03:31:51,359 --> 03:31:57,279
gone up. Um, our sales tax rate hasn't

4670
03:31:54,800 --> 03:31:59,920
really gone up a little bit for the rec

4671
03:31:57,279 --> 03:32:03,279
center. Uh, and if we continue to add

4672
03:31:59,920 --> 03:32:06,479
FTE headcount to the tune of five or six

4673
03:32:03,279 --> 03:32:08,399
or seven or eight per year, that that

4674
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:10,720
will eventually consume all of our

4675
03:32:08,399 --> 03:32:14,319
resources. Um, and not saying any of

4676
03:32:10,720 --> 03:32:16,479
these are bad hires or not needed, but

4677
03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:20,239
but we can't I mean, we just can't keep

4678
03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:22,720
doing it eventually, adding FTEES um,

4679
03:32:20,239 --> 03:32:24,399
without adding revenue to pay for them.

4680
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:26,479
And I don't have a I don't have an

4681
03:32:24,399 --> 03:32:27,760
answer to that question, but I just do

4682
03:32:26,479 --> 03:32:30,160
want to bring it up because we've had

4683
03:32:27,760 --> 03:32:32,239
enormous growth in the size of city

4684
03:32:30,160 --> 03:32:36,160
staff without any corresponding growth

4685
03:32:32,239 --> 03:32:41,359
in revenue sources.

4686
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:43,279
Um, other comments, questions?

4687
03:32:41,359 --> 03:32:45,600
Yeah, Council Member.

4688
03:32:43,279 --> 03:32:47,200
» So, I'm going to echo [sighs] uh in some

4689
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:48,720
ways with what council member Hefner

4690
03:32:47,200 --> 03:32:51,680
just said. I I brought that up in the

4691
03:32:48,720 --> 03:32:54,239
past, the concern with the expansion of

4692
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:56,640
government and not the expansion of

4693
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:58,640
residents. Um, and a lot of it is

4694
03:32:56,640 --> 03:33:01,680
service related. You know, our our

4695
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:04,160
residents every year would like more and

4696
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:07,040
more service. with that comes the need

4697
03:33:04,160 --> 03:33:09,439
for more and more staff. Um, so but then

4698
03:33:07,040 --> 03:33:11,680
again, I think for some of those service

4699
03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:14,560
positions like around the rec center,

4700
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:16,960
this perhaps should not be the burden of

4701
03:33:14,560 --> 03:33:19,279
all of the taxpayers, but the users

4702
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:21,040
requesting the service. And so

4703
03:33:19,279 --> 03:33:22,880
therefore, I think it needs to come

4704
03:33:21,040 --> 03:33:24,399
through the fees of the people who are

4705
03:33:22,880 --> 03:33:26,880
asking for the additional service,

4706
03:33:24,399 --> 03:33:29,439
asking for the additional employees, let

4707
03:33:26,880 --> 03:33:31,439
them pay for it, not not increasing

4708
03:33:29,439 --> 03:33:33,439
property taxes. So every community

4709
03:33:31,439 --> 03:33:35,120
member who may not be asking for the

4710
03:33:33,439 --> 03:33:37,520
increase in services is paying for it. I

4711
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:38,960
think it needs to be a fee based um

4712
03:33:37,520 --> 03:33:40,960
allocation and hence the reason I was

4713
03:33:38,960 --> 03:33:43,040
asking some of the questions around how

4714
03:33:40,960 --> 03:33:45,120
we're paying for these positions. Are we

4715
03:33:43,040 --> 03:33:47,120
saving in one place and another and

4716
03:33:45,120 --> 03:33:49,040
maybe um although we're adding staff, we

4717
03:33:47,120 --> 03:33:50,479
might not be adding cost because we

4718
03:33:49,040 --> 03:33:53,200
might be removing some of the cost

4719
03:33:50,479 --> 03:33:54,960
somewhere else. Thank you.

4720
03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:56,560
» Comments.

4721
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:59,920
I'm I'm going to respond to this because

4722
03:33:56,560 --> 03:34:03,520
I I think I want to be very clear.

4723
03:33:59,920 --> 03:34:06,080
um about what I see. I've been uh I

4724
03:34:03,520 --> 03:34:08,479
guess council member Fay and I both have

4725
03:34:06,080 --> 03:34:12,160
been on council

4726
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:14,800
um since 2019

4727
03:34:12,160 --> 03:34:19,439
which was your benchmark year I think.

4728
03:34:14,800 --> 03:34:22,160
Um council after council after council

4729
03:34:19,439 --> 03:34:27,600
including the people at this dis have

4730
03:34:22,160 --> 03:34:31,439
voted to uh pass budgets that increased

4731
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:33,760
uh personnel and I don't know that um

4732
03:34:31,439 --> 03:34:37,439
you know it's not a matter of going back

4733
03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:40,000
and and debating those budgets. Um I

4734
03:34:37,439 --> 03:34:42,479
think we all had good reasons or

4735
03:34:40,000 --> 03:34:45,760
wouldn't have voted for the budgets that

4736
03:34:42,479 --> 03:34:49,040
we created. Um, that's number one. I

4737
03:34:45,760 --> 03:34:51,359
think two, um, the point which I do

4738
03:34:49,040 --> 03:34:53,680
appreciate from from,

4739
03:34:51,359 --> 03:34:56,880
uh, Council Member Kern and I think

4740
03:34:53,680 --> 03:34:59,439
generally is that I think there is no

4741
03:34:56,880 --> 03:35:02,880
question in my mind that the level of

4742
03:34:59,439 --> 03:35:06,319
expectation in this community has gone

4743
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:08,560
up across the board

4744
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:10,080
um, and in some cases pretty

4745
03:35:08,560 --> 03:35:12,080
substantially.

4746
03:35:10,080 --> 03:35:15,040
And that's okay.

4747
03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:17,359
But you can only

4748
03:35:15,040 --> 03:35:20,399
um get so much

4749
03:35:17,359 --> 03:35:22,399
um juice out of the orange that you

4750
03:35:20,399 --> 03:35:23,600
squeeze. And that's going to be

4751
03:35:22,399 --> 03:35:25,200
something we're going to have to deal

4752
03:35:23,600 --> 03:35:28,239
with. I think we are dealing with this

4753
03:35:25,200 --> 03:35:30,880
as we talk about it. Uh I think we're

4754
03:35:28,239 --> 03:35:34,319
all trying to to do that. But it is

4755
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:36,080
something that uh council members see,

4756
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:38,479
but we don't see it on a day-to-day

4757
03:35:36,080 --> 03:35:42,000
basis, department

4758
03:35:38,479 --> 03:35:44,239
basis like the staff do. and I we've

4759
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:47,359
gotten a lot of feedback all of us about

4760
03:35:44,239 --> 03:35:51,760
that. Um I think it's great to think

4761
03:35:47,359 --> 03:35:56,560
about fees. I my understanding is that

4762
03:35:51,760 --> 03:35:59,120
staff is thinking in terms of

4763
03:35:56,560 --> 03:36:01,600
fees for

4764
03:35:59,120 --> 03:36:05,120
sort of technology for example there's

4765
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:07,680
some there are some ways of of

4766
03:36:05,120 --> 03:36:10,960
allocating costs that way. I think we

4767
03:36:07,680 --> 03:36:15,600
have to be careful for tax reasons.

4768
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:18,160
um you know um not calling

4769
03:36:15,600 --> 03:36:21,760
uh a tax fee. Um I think we're all

4770
03:36:18,160 --> 03:36:24,399
sensitive to that under Taber and I know

4771
03:36:21,760 --> 03:36:27,439
that council members are too. So I mean

4772
03:36:24,399 --> 03:36:31,840
I I do want to defend the choices that

4773
03:36:27,439 --> 03:36:34,319
have been made. I understand the optics

4774
03:36:31,840 --> 03:36:35,520
of having bigger government and I think

4775
03:36:34,319 --> 03:36:37,120
that's something we all have to think

4776
03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:38,640
about, but it's not the only

4777
03:36:37,120 --> 03:36:43,840
consideration.

4778
03:36:38,640 --> 03:36:45,760
And um it is our job not just to be very

4779
03:36:43,840 --> 03:36:47,439
careful about who we add and so forth,

4780
03:36:45,760 --> 03:36:51,200
but to meet the demand that we're

4781
03:36:47,439 --> 03:36:53,359
getting. And uh and I know other council

4782
03:36:51,200 --> 03:36:55,520
members have talked about this that, you

4783
03:36:53,359 --> 03:36:57,680
know, considering other revenue sources

4784
03:36:55,520 --> 03:36:59,680
or potential revenue sources as a way

4785
03:36:57,680 --> 03:37:02,880
of, you know, addressing these things.

4786
03:36:59,680 --> 03:37:05,120
But there are tradeoffs to be sure and

4787
03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:07,840
we're working through them. And I have a

4788
03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:11,040
great deal of respect for the staff.

4789
03:37:07,840 --> 03:37:14,479
Again, I think others on council share

4790
03:37:11,040 --> 03:37:20,960
that for how we make do with what we've

4791
03:37:14,479 --> 03:37:24,319
got. And um so I I think it bears um

4792
03:37:20,960 --> 03:37:26,319
saying those things um you know, just to

4793
03:37:24,319 --> 03:37:27,920
make sure. I don't know that that any of

4794
03:37:26,319 --> 03:37:30,080
that conflicts with anything that's been

4795
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:32,560
said, but I think it's important to say

4796
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:35,359
just as perhaps the person who served

4797
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:38,160
the longest on council, maybe because

4798
03:37:35,359 --> 03:37:40,880
I'm the mayor, too, but I think it's

4799
03:37:38,160 --> 03:37:43,680
important to say.

4800
03:37:40,880 --> 03:37:46,319
Um, yeah, Council Member Cooperman.

4801
03:37:43,680 --> 03:37:50,279
» Yeah. Um, me just add sort of one

4802
03:37:46,319 --> 03:37:50,279
comment on that. Um

4803
03:37:50,960 --> 03:37:56,640
I mean a as we have added employees

4804
03:37:54,080 --> 03:38:00,319
right we have done so within our means.

4805
03:37:56,640 --> 03:38:01,680
Um right we you know there are little

4806
03:38:00,319 --> 03:38:04,800
places here and there where we have

4807
03:38:01,680 --> 03:38:07,120
added a tax like the bag tax or

4808
03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:11,920
increasing the open space and parks tax.

4809
03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:13,840
But by and large right you know our

4810
03:38:11,920 --> 03:38:15,279
sales tax has been pretty constant over

4811
03:38:13,840 --> 03:38:16,720
the last number of years. Our property

4812
03:38:15,279 --> 03:38:19,520
tax have been pretty constant over the

4813
03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:21,680
last last number of years. And so we

4814
03:38:19,520 --> 03:38:24,800
have been able to

4815
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:28,960
increase the number of employees,

4816
03:38:24,800 --> 03:38:32,000
provide more services, um, and yet still

4817
03:38:28,960 --> 03:38:33,359
pass a balanced budget. Um, you know,

4818
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:36,319
maybe looking ahead that's going to

4819
03:38:33,359 --> 03:38:38,000
change, but I mean, even right even

4820
03:38:36,319 --> 03:38:41,200
right now, we're saying we can add these

4821
03:38:38,000 --> 03:38:42,720
employees and still have essentially a

4822
03:38:41,200 --> 03:38:46,239
balanced budget for the next couple of

4823
03:38:42,720 --> 03:38:49,840
years. So, um

4824
03:38:46,239 --> 03:38:52,399
I I I mean clearly we have to pay

4825
03:38:49,840 --> 03:38:55,760
attention to this going forward, but um

4826
03:38:52,399 --> 03:38:57,680
I feel like, you know, you I don't know.

4827
03:38:55,760 --> 03:38:59,200
I I just feel like that's worth stating.

4828
03:38:57,680 --> 03:39:01,120
Um I mean, you could ask the question

4829
03:38:59,200 --> 03:39:04,160
like, should we have not hired more

4830
03:39:01,120 --> 03:39:06,479
employees in the past and saved I don't

4831
03:39:04,160 --> 03:39:09,840
know, save money or or put it to other

4832
03:39:06,479 --> 03:39:12,560
projects or something. Um which is a

4833
03:39:09,840 --> 03:39:14,000
perfectly valid question. Um but then

4834
03:39:12,560 --> 03:39:16,239
again like another thing which has

4835
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:18,239
stayed constant is the the distribution

4836
03:39:16,239 --> 03:39:20,080
of funds to general onto capital and

4837
03:39:18,239 --> 03:39:24,319
that that has remained constant over

4838
03:39:20,080 --> 03:39:25,680
time for a while too. Um so it's not

4839
03:39:24,319 --> 03:39:27,279
really clear that maybe we could have

4840
03:39:25,680 --> 03:39:31,920
taken some of that money and put it to

4841
03:39:27,279 --> 03:39:34,479
projects but that's all.

4842
03:39:31,920 --> 03:39:37,760
Yes, council member for a

4843
03:39:34,479 --> 03:39:39,760
» I just want to add that for like the

4844
03:39:37,760 --> 03:39:44,319
public works

4845
03:39:39,760 --> 03:39:47,920
um you have increased the water tap fees

4846
03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:52,000
the water prices for all residents

4847
03:39:47,920 --> 03:39:55,760
and you are presiding providing a core

4848
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:58,399
service a fundamental needed resource

4849
03:39:55,760 --> 03:40:02,800
for all of the residents

4850
03:39:58,399 --> 03:40:05,760
residential or commercial in the city

4851
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:07,680
and in order to do that you have to hire

4852
03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:11,439
some more people and you have to raise

4853
03:40:07,680 --> 03:40:14,960
the prices for what you do.

4854
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:17,200
Rec center and golf course could do the

4855
03:40:14,960 --> 03:40:19,279
same.

4856
03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:22,880
I know that

4857
03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:26,319
the the the annual membership for a

4858
03:40:22,880 --> 03:40:30,399
Lewisville resident for the rec center

4859
03:40:26,319 --> 03:40:35,279
is $20 and some dollars a year.

4860
03:40:30,399 --> 03:40:37,680
I'm not sure what the out nonresident

4861
03:40:35,279 --> 03:40:40,479
uh price is, but I know that the

4862
03:40:37,680 --> 03:40:43,439
nonresident price for an annual

4863
03:40:40,479 --> 03:40:46,880
membership at the Boulder Rec Center is

4864
03:40:43,439 --> 03:40:50,319
over $600 a year.

4865
03:40:46,880 --> 03:40:51,840
So perhaps the price increase in

4866
03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:54,399
membership

4867
03:40:51,840 --> 03:40:58,080
would help balance out and cover the

4868
03:40:54,399 --> 03:41:00,160
cost of the the additional staff needed

4869
03:40:58,080 --> 03:41:03,200
there.

4870
03:41:00,160 --> 03:41:05,040
So that's all I will say.

4871
03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:06,880
» Thanks. Any other comments? Yeah,

4872
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:10,479
Council Member Heft.

4873
03:41:06,880 --> 03:41:12,720
» Just want to briefly agree with that. Um

4874
03:41:10,479 --> 03:41:16,880
as well as I think council member Kern's

4875
03:41:12,720 --> 03:41:18,880
broader point um

4876
03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:20,319
that there there are and I think the

4877
03:41:18,880 --> 03:41:21,520
city manager has been looking this

4878
03:41:20,319 --> 03:41:23,680
others have been looking at this there.

4879
03:41:21,520 --> 03:41:28,479
there must be more opportunity for us to

4880
03:41:23,680 --> 03:41:31,359
do cost recovery on certain things like

4881
03:41:28,479 --> 03:41:34,080
the rec center and shelter rentals and

4882
03:41:31,359 --> 03:41:36,720
whatever. Um and and we should be taking

4883
03:41:34,080 --> 03:41:38,479
a very careful look at every opportunity

4884
03:41:36,720 --> 03:41:41,120
for cost recovery because we have such

4885
03:41:38,479 --> 03:41:44,239
limited flexibility on taxes and

4886
03:41:41,120 --> 03:41:46,399
changing taxes. Um, and I think as the

4887
03:41:44,239 --> 03:41:51,600
mayor pointed out, a a basically

4888
03:41:46,399 --> 03:41:55,520
unlimited appetite for um, you know, top

4889
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:57,120
tier level governmental services. And I

4890
03:41:55,520 --> 03:41:59,120
mean, the rec center is a great example,

4891
03:41:57,120 --> 03:42:02,560
right? A private gym me membership is

4892
03:41:59,120 --> 03:42:06,160
often $150 a month. Uh, and we're

4893
03:42:02,560 --> 03:42:07,920
charging 200 some per year. And I'm not

4894
03:42:06,160 --> 03:42:09,760
saying we should we should benchmark to

4895
03:42:07,920 --> 03:42:11,840
private by any stretch of the

4896
03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:15,960
imagination, but there's probably some

4897
03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:15,960
room in between those two things.

4898
03:42:16,960 --> 03:42:22,880
» Any other comments?

4899
03:42:20,160 --> 03:42:25,520
» City manager, you have some thoughts?

4900
03:42:22,880 --> 03:42:28,760
» No, I'm just looking for yes or no on

4901
03:42:25,520 --> 03:42:28,760
these positions.

4902
03:42:31,279 --> 03:42:34,160
or if you're not if you're not at a

4903
03:42:32,800 --> 03:42:35,279
point to make a decision on some of

4904
03:42:34,160 --> 03:42:37,600
them, let us know.

4905
03:42:35,279 --> 03:42:41,439
» Yeah,

4906
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:45,279
» Let me do that. I I hope that we haven't

4907
03:42:41,439 --> 03:42:49,040
um we certainly haven't

4908
03:42:45,279 --> 03:42:51,760
finished with the discussion if if if I

4909
03:42:49,040 --> 03:42:57,200
could why don't we take two different

4910
03:42:51,760 --> 03:43:00,640
questions. One is on these particular

4911
03:42:57,200 --> 03:43:06,160
uh CMO wrecks um that are on the board

4912
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:10,479
here. Um is there agreement to approve

4913
03:43:06,160 --> 03:43:14,880
all of of those? Not approve but uh

4914
03:43:10,479 --> 03:43:17,920
direct staff to continue on uh including

4915
03:43:14,880 --> 03:43:19,520
those. Yes, Council Member Devier.

4916
03:43:17,920 --> 03:43:22,720
» I'm happy to move forward with all of

4917
03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:26,000
them. On the first one, I am immensely

4918
03:43:22,720 --> 03:43:28,319
hopeful that we'll get the parks, open

4919
03:43:26,000 --> 03:43:30,880
space, and golf funds to a position

4920
03:43:28,319 --> 03:43:33,199
where they can support this. And I don't

4921
03:43:30,880 --> 03:43:35,760
think what we saw today

4922
03:43:33,199 --> 03:43:37,359
is is that yet, but I'm hopeful we will

4923
03:43:35,760 --> 03:43:38,800
get there and this can remain included.

4924
03:43:37,359 --> 03:43:42,319
But I would I would include it

4925
03:43:38,800 --> 03:43:44,880
provisionally until we see more

4926
03:43:42,319 --> 03:43:46,960
um refinement on those funds.

4927
03:43:44,880 --> 03:43:50,080
» Okay. Do people generally agree with

4928
03:43:46,960 --> 03:43:50,720
what uh Council Member Hefner said? Go

4929
03:43:50,080 --> 03:43:53,199
ahead.

4930
03:43:50,720 --> 03:43:55,199
» I do and I I don't actually understand

4931
03:43:53,199 --> 03:43:56,720
what the natural resources technician is

4932
03:43:55,199 --> 03:43:59,199
going to be doing with the open space,

4933
03:43:56,720 --> 03:44:01,920
but I was thinking things like that if

4934
03:43:59,199 --> 03:44:03,680
we're running short to be able to fund

4935
03:44:01,920 --> 03:44:06,160
the deputy director position. That seems

4936
03:44:03,680 --> 03:44:07,680
like a higher priority to me if we're

4937
03:44:06,160 --> 03:44:10,960
trying to figure out where we're coming

4938
03:44:07,680 --> 03:44:12,880
up with the the new funds within a what

4939
03:44:10,960 --> 03:44:14,720
looks like a very difficult budget past

4940
03:44:12,880 --> 03:44:17,680
the next two years. So I am curious

4941
03:44:14,720 --> 03:44:20,000
though uh Director Bremore what that job

4942
03:44:17,680 --> 03:44:22,800
does.

4943
03:44:20,000 --> 03:44:24,239
» So that position oversees the land

4944
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:25,680
management components for all of our

4945
03:44:24,239 --> 03:44:28,080
open space properties including

4946
03:44:25,680 --> 03:44:30,239
maintenance and restoration,

4947
03:44:28,080 --> 03:44:33,920
rehabilitation, fire mitigation

4948
03:44:30,239 --> 03:44:36,560
contracts, that kind of thing. Um

4949
03:44:33,920 --> 03:44:38,800
they're involved in things like our

4950
03:44:36,560 --> 03:44:40,960
invasive weed controls, community

4951
03:44:38,800 --> 03:44:43,520
education. They do noxious weed

4952
03:44:40,960 --> 03:44:47,520
education seminars, that kind of thing.

4953
03:44:43,520 --> 03:44:50,239
Um, it's also a proposed hire in

4954
03:44:47,520 --> 03:44:52,960
response to the community feedback we've

4955
03:44:50,239 --> 03:44:54,800
received to do more in this area.

4956
03:44:52,960 --> 03:44:57,600
Currently, we only have one of these

4957
03:44:54,800 --> 03:45:01,040
positions in the open space division.

4958
03:44:57,600 --> 03:45:03,359
Uh, it's also an advanced kind of hire

4959
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:06,160
in preparation. As I mentioned, we do

4960
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:08,479
have 147 acres of open space coming on

4961
03:45:06,160 --> 03:45:11,279
board. The warranty period is within the

4962
03:45:08,479 --> 03:45:14,160
next two years. Um so having that person

4963
03:45:11,279 --> 03:45:17,199
on board and acclimated to our land

4964
03:45:14,160 --> 03:45:19,120
management structure um would be very

4965
03:45:17,199 --> 03:45:21,600
beneficial for the open space division.

4966
03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:24,239
» So this person will have um some

4967
03:45:21,600 --> 03:45:26,640
required background knowledge uh

4968
03:45:24,239 --> 03:45:28,399
specialty area in wildfire mitigation to

4969
03:45:26,640 --> 03:45:29,840
assist with this or are they just

4970
03:45:28,399 --> 03:45:30,800
assisting with the program that somebody

4971
03:45:29,840 --> 03:45:32,239
else puts under?

4972
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:34,080
» Yeah, they'll be responsible for

4973
03:45:32,239 --> 03:45:35,760
implementing the program that our

4974
03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:39,199
department is putting forward whether

4975
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:40,800
it's Ember or me or council driven. um

4976
03:45:39,199 --> 03:45:42,960
their primary background for these

4977
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:45,600
positions usually revolves around

4978
03:45:42,960 --> 03:45:47,359
natural resource management, ecology,

4979
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:50,080
wildlife management, that kind of thing.

4980
03:45:47,359 --> 03:45:53,920
» Okay. Thank you.

4981
03:45:50,080 --> 03:45:56,960
» Okay. Um yeah, Council Member Cooperman.

4982
03:45:53,920 --> 03:46:00,640
» Yeah. Um I'm generally supportive of

4983
03:45:56,960 --> 03:46:05,040
these positions. Uh I just had one

4984
03:46:00,640 --> 03:46:06,399
uh sort of question. So on the following

4985
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:09,040
slides, there are lists of positions

4986
03:46:06,399 --> 03:46:13,439
that are not recommended. Um, and a few

4987
03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:16,000
of those are in Adam's uh departments.

4988
03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:18,239
I'm just curious, I assume you had

4989
03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:21,520
discussions about, you know, these being

4990
03:46:18,239 --> 03:46:25,800
the ones you most want to go forward and

4991
03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:25,800
those other ones are lower priority.

4992
03:46:26,479 --> 03:46:31,760
» Yeah, I think they're all a priority,

4993
03:46:29,520 --> 03:46:33,199
right? To your point, we have certain

4994
03:46:31,760 --> 03:46:34,640
things that could be accomplished with

4995
03:46:33,199 --> 03:46:36,239
all of the position requests that we

4996
03:46:34,640 --> 03:46:37,760
have. There's a significant number of

4997
03:46:36,239 --> 03:46:40,080
positions that were requested in things

4998
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:41,680
like golf course maintenance that just

4999
03:46:40,080 --> 03:46:42,399
there's no way the fund is going to bear

5000
03:46:41,680 --> 03:46:44,880
it.

5001
03:46:42,399 --> 03:46:46,880
» Um, you know, so we'll we'll make do in

5002
03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:49,040
there. I do I do think that every one of

5003
03:46:46,880 --> 03:46:52,000
these hopefully through some of my

5004
03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:54,160
ramblings here has shown a level of

5005
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:56,319
importance to what we've heard from the

5006
03:46:54,160 --> 03:46:58,960
community from a service standpoint as

5007
03:46:56,319 --> 03:47:00,800
well as from uh an effectiveness for how

5008
03:46:58,960 --> 03:47:02,560
we serve the community through this

5009
03:47:00,800 --> 03:47:05,560
department.

5010
03:47:02,560 --> 03:47:05,560
» Good.

5011
03:47:07,199 --> 03:47:13,120
Sounds like the consensus is to support

5012
03:47:10,720 --> 03:47:16,319
these positions

5013
03:47:13,120 --> 03:47:18,239
um with with some

5014
03:47:16,319 --> 03:47:20,640
you know some further discussion that

5015
03:47:18,239 --> 03:47:23,199
may happen. I think I I certainly don't

5016
03:47:20,640 --> 03:47:26,160
want to tie anybody's hands. We're not

5017
03:47:23,199 --> 03:47:29,359
we're not voting on a budget. we're

5018
03:47:26,160 --> 03:47:32,960
providing direction and uh appreciate

5019
03:47:29,359 --> 03:47:34,720
all of the careful discussion and really

5020
03:47:32,960 --> 03:47:37,279
good comments of all the council members

5021
03:47:34,720 --> 03:47:40,080
on this one and thanks for the staff's

5022
03:47:37,279 --> 03:47:43,760
responses. Uh the second question is

5023
03:47:40,080 --> 03:47:45,680
whether council uh is comfortable with

5024
03:47:43,760 --> 03:47:50,640
directing

5025
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:54,800
uh staff to prepare a or expedited

5026
03:47:50,640 --> 03:47:59,439
um um creation

5027
03:47:54,800 --> 03:48:01,920
uh this year of a civil engineer one two

5028
03:47:59,439 --> 03:48:05,479
position. That's the last one on this

5029
03:48:01,920 --> 03:48:05,479
particular list.

5030
03:48:06,080 --> 03:48:10,880
» Okay. and we'll we'll see a budget

5031
03:48:09,040 --> 03:48:13,920
amendment on that and propose, you know,

5032
03:48:10,880 --> 03:48:16,720
propose. Okay, good.

5033
03:48:13,920 --> 03:48:19,920
» All right. The next list is for variable

5034
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:22,399
uh positions and so we have lifeguards

5035
03:48:19,920 --> 03:48:25,359
which um Adam can explain the need for

5036
03:48:22,399 --> 03:48:27,680
that. The golf course item, this is uh

5037
03:48:25,359 --> 03:48:29,680
to align with what they've been they've

5038
03:48:27,680 --> 03:48:31,840
been spending and so this isn't

5039
03:48:29,680 --> 03:48:34,160
necessarily a new request. It's to align

5040
03:48:31,840 --> 03:48:36,640
with what they have been spending. And

5041
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:38,720
then the museum associate interns u

5042
03:48:36,640 --> 03:48:40,560
Brandy can address uh this request if

5043
03:48:38,720 --> 03:48:42,239
you have questions

5044
03:48:40,560 --> 03:48:43,840
and note that this one is not in the

5045
03:48:42,239 --> 03:48:47,520
model. It would be dependent upon the

5046
03:48:43,840 --> 03:48:49,359
historic tax outcome.

5047
03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:52,319
» Thanks. Um do we have questions about

5048
03:48:49,359 --> 03:48:55,760
this? May prot,

5049
03:48:52,319 --> 03:48:57,920
» Can you um clarify for me more what you

5050
03:48:55,760 --> 03:49:02,479
meant by like what they have been

5051
03:48:57,920 --> 03:49:06,960
spending that that comment?

5052
03:49:02,479 --> 03:49:10,319
» Um yes. So the golf fund historically

5053
03:49:06,960 --> 03:49:12,560
has uh funded extra variables based on

5054
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:14,239
kind of salary savings and turnover. Uh

5055
03:49:12,560 --> 03:49:16,479
the last handful of years I've noticed

5056
03:49:14,239 --> 03:49:18,560
that they used about 30,000 variable

5057
03:49:16,479 --> 03:49:22,720
hours out there but budgeted for closer

5058
03:49:18,560 --> 03:49:24,560
to 23 or 24. Um so this is looking just

5059
03:49:22,720 --> 03:49:26,000
to rightsize the amount of hours they

5060
03:49:24,560 --> 03:49:27,520
are using at the golf course between

5061
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:29,920
guest service attendants and maintenance

5062
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:33,359
workers. Um

5063
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:36,920
and kind of relying less upon turnback

5064
03:49:33,359 --> 03:49:36,920
or salary savings.

5065
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:46,000
» Okay, that's helpful. I mean, given our

5066
03:49:43,359 --> 03:49:48,960
discussions we just had

5067
03:49:46,000 --> 03:49:51,680
um about the golf fund, it gives me

5068
03:49:48,960 --> 03:49:55,680
pause. Um I guess my question would be

5069
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:58,000
they've been using those hours. Are they

5070
03:49:55,680 --> 03:49:58,640
necessarily needed going forward or help

5071
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:02,960
me understand?

5072
03:49:58,640 --> 03:50:06,399
» Couple couple things. Um

5073
03:50:02,960 --> 03:50:09,600
we have not adjusted

5074
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:13,120
yet. We are working with this model to

5075
03:50:09,600 --> 03:50:15,279
adjust not having winter here anymore.

5076
03:50:13,120 --> 03:50:17,040
I mean like really like the hours in the

5077
03:50:15,279 --> 03:50:18,800
past have projected that we would be

5078
03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:22,080
down a couple months out of the year

5079
03:50:18,800 --> 03:50:24,960
with no variable salaries being spent at

5080
03:50:22,080 --> 03:50:29,120
all and that just has not been the case.

5081
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:31,680
And so part of that overage has been um

5082
03:50:29,120 --> 03:50:33,439
the result of just more hours that we

5083
03:50:31,680 --> 03:50:35,040
are open and needing to have staff there

5084
03:50:33,439 --> 03:50:39,199
more often to be able to serve our

5085
03:50:35,040 --> 03:50:40,960
customers. Um that being said, uh there

5086
03:50:39,199 --> 03:50:44,399
with the new general manager being on

5087
03:50:40,960 --> 03:50:46,239
board now for almost a year, uh this is

5088
03:50:44,399 --> 03:50:49,439
certainly an area of emphasis that I've

5089
03:50:46,239 --> 03:50:51,840
stressed to him to work within our means

5090
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:54,239
andor give a realistic projection for

5091
03:50:51,840 --> 03:50:55,920
the expense. At a maintenance side of

5092
03:50:54,239 --> 03:50:57,760
things, there has been a turnback

5093
03:50:55,920 --> 03:51:00,000
savings as it relates to the full-time

5094
03:50:57,760 --> 03:51:01,520
employees over there just because it is

5095
03:51:00,000 --> 03:51:03,120
for whatever reason it's been a high

5096
03:51:01,520 --> 03:51:05,520
turnover position. And so we have

5097
03:51:03,120 --> 03:51:08,880
increased our variable budgets on

5098
03:51:05,520 --> 03:51:12,000
purpose to um account for that

5099
03:51:08,880 --> 03:51:14,160
additional expenses. Uh but it's again

5100
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:16,560
that hasn't caught up to the trends yet

5101
03:51:14,160 --> 03:51:20,479
showing the overall golf fund impact.

5102
03:51:16,560 --> 03:51:22,319
Um, and that variable expense is offset.

5103
03:51:20,479 --> 03:51:24,399
If we could retain full-time employees

5104
03:51:22,319 --> 03:51:26,319
for longer, then we have less need for a

5105
03:51:24,399 --> 03:51:27,840
variable hour. So, you see some of that

5106
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:29,840
offset in the turn back for the

5107
03:51:27,840 --> 03:51:31,760
full-time and maintenance. And you see

5108
03:51:29,840 --> 03:51:35,279
some of it that's been um primarily

5109
03:51:31,760 --> 03:51:38,319
driven by increased playable days on the

5110
03:51:35,279 --> 03:51:41,359
off side.

5111
03:51:38,319 --> 03:51:43,439
» Okay, that's really helpful. And I I

5112
03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:46,800
trust as the conversations around the

5113
03:51:43,439 --> 03:51:49,199
gulf fund, the capital projects, you

5114
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:51,840
know, all of that is happening, you all

5115
03:51:49,199 --> 03:51:55,439
will have a, you know, risk benefit

5116
03:51:51,840 --> 03:51:59,680
analysis of whether this is most

5117
03:51:55,439 --> 03:52:02,080
important or some other projects or

5118
03:51:59,680 --> 03:52:04,800
» Staff. Yeah. sim similar to the

5119
03:52:02,080 --> 03:52:06,319
lifeguard line item here. It's really a

5120
03:52:04,800 --> 03:52:08,239
balance between what you want to use

5121
03:52:06,319 --> 03:52:10,000
your full-time labor for and what

5122
03:52:08,239 --> 03:52:12,080
variable labor should be used for and

5123
03:52:10,000 --> 03:52:13,279
the cost benefit for each of those

5124
03:52:12,080 --> 03:52:15,680
things. You know, there could be a

5125
03:52:13,279 --> 03:52:18,800
drastic reduction in golf course

5126
03:52:15,680 --> 03:52:20,720
variable labor at the expense of

5127
03:52:18,800 --> 03:52:23,439
probably ineffectively using your

5128
03:52:20,720 --> 03:52:26,080
full-time labor to run your front desk,

5129
03:52:23,439 --> 03:52:27,840
wash carts, ranger, that kind of thing

5130
03:52:26,080 --> 03:52:30,080
that we're paying variable salary for.

5131
03:52:27,840 --> 03:52:31,760
So, I think that there is a balance in

5132
03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:34,399
there and I think that to director

5133
03:52:31,760 --> 03:52:36,319
Bailey's point, this now aligns with

5134
03:52:34,399 --> 03:52:38,080
trend and it's modeled to kind of show

5135
03:52:36,319 --> 03:52:40,720
the true impact of that so that we can

5136
03:52:38,080 --> 03:52:42,239
adjust up and down on that balance. Um,

5137
03:52:40,720 --> 03:52:45,520
I'll speak to lifeguards while I've got

5138
03:52:42,239 --> 03:52:49,359
the mic real quick. Um, so again, this

5139
03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:53,359
reflects kind of a true hours need based

5140
03:52:49,359 --> 03:52:55,040
on full staffing at only using variable

5141
03:52:53,359 --> 03:52:57,359
employees at Memory Square and our

5142
03:52:55,040 --> 03:52:59,199
aquatics divisions. It also speaks to an

5143
03:52:57,359 --> 03:53:00,640
increase in the number of afterhour

5144
03:52:59,199 --> 03:53:02,800
rentals that we're receiving and

5145
03:53:00,640 --> 03:53:06,000
additional hours request that do have a

5146
03:53:02,800 --> 03:53:08,560
revenue offset for the rec center. Um,

5147
03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:10,560
we're still using our aquatic

5148
03:53:08,560 --> 03:53:12,640
supervisors and our aquatics manager to

5149
03:53:10,560 --> 03:53:14,800
lifeguard particularly in the off season

5150
03:53:12,640 --> 03:53:18,479
during the day more than I would like

5151
03:53:14,800 --> 03:53:20,239
for them to be um out on the deck um not

5152
03:53:18,479 --> 03:53:22,479
supervising but actually actively

5153
03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:24,000
lifeguarding. So this is still

5154
03:53:22,479 --> 03:53:26,319
contingent upon recruitment and

5155
03:53:24,000 --> 03:53:28,080
retention which goes back to director

5156
03:53:26,319 --> 03:53:30,720
Monzingo's points earlier about

5157
03:53:28,080 --> 03:53:33,520
investing in that effort. Um but that's

5158
03:53:30,720 --> 03:53:36,960
where that projected cost would come

5159
03:53:33,520 --> 03:53:40,399
from at a at a maximum level um to

5160
03:53:36,960 --> 03:53:42,800
attain that cost would be wonderful. Uh

5161
03:53:40,399 --> 03:53:44,720
but it's not entirely realistic

5162
03:53:42,800 --> 03:53:46,399
probably.

5163
03:53:44,720 --> 03:53:48,399
» Okay. Thank you. That's helpful as well.

5164
03:53:46,399 --> 03:53:50,560
And I'll just, you know, rise to the

5165
03:53:48,399 --> 03:53:54,239
surface once again, the conversations of

5166
03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:56,399
fees to recover some of this and the

5167
03:53:54,239 --> 03:53:58,479
rentals associated

5168
03:53:56,399 --> 03:54:00,800
uh with the pool that requires those

5169
03:53:58,479 --> 03:54:02,319
lifeguards evaluating those as well. So,

5170
03:54:00,800 --> 03:54:05,560
thank you. That was all very helpful. I

5171
03:54:02,319 --> 03:54:05,560
appreciate it.

5172
03:54:08,000 --> 03:54:12,239
Okay. So

5173
03:54:10,399 --> 03:54:15,840
uh

5174
03:54:12,239 --> 03:54:17,520
thumbs up to these three

5175
03:54:15,840 --> 03:54:20,319
requests

5176
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:23,720
» In our direction to good

5177
03:54:20,319 --> 03:54:23,720
» You can do it.

5178
03:54:24,319 --> 03:54:30,160
» Thumbs up.

5179
03:54:27,040 --> 03:54:32,479
» One final comment about let's see I

5180
03:54:30,160 --> 03:54:34,880
think we're are we through all of the

5181
03:54:32,479 --> 03:54:36,479
» Personnel. Um, no. I mayor, I have a

5182
03:54:34,880 --> 03:54:38,640
handful of slides that I don't need to

5183
03:54:36,479 --> 03:54:41,120
spend a ton of time on, but I I I do

5184
03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:44,000
think it's worth recognizing that um,

5185
03:54:41,120 --> 03:54:45,840
significant thought was given into many

5186
03:54:44,000 --> 03:54:48,000
other full-time position requests that

5187
03:54:45,840 --> 03:54:51,040
did not were not able to rise up in the

5188
03:54:48,000 --> 03:54:52,239
model. Um, largely for budgetary

5189
03:54:51,040 --> 03:54:54,160
constraints, but potentially other

5190
03:54:52,239 --> 03:54:56,479
reasons as well. So, we could go through

5191
03:54:54,160 --> 03:54:58,399
those slides. If you have any questions,

5192
03:54:56,479 --> 03:55:00,000
thoughts or feelings on them, please let

5193
03:54:58,399 --> 03:55:01,520
us know. But again, these are not in the

5194
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,479
model today.

5195
03:55:01,520 --> 03:55:04,479
» Please do.

5196
03:55:04,960 --> 03:55:09,359
All right. So we have um a management

5197
03:55:07,199 --> 03:55:11,680
analyst, a termed position for three

5198
03:55:09,359 --> 03:55:13,199
years, a procurement and contracts

5199
03:55:11,680 --> 03:55:16,160
manager. This is a void within the

5200
03:55:13,199 --> 03:55:21,040
organization. Um grant administration

5201
03:55:16,160 --> 03:55:25,080
manager and then uh two police officers.

5202
03:55:21,040 --> 03:55:25,080
Going to the next slide, please.

5203
03:55:25,680 --> 03:55:31,120
We have uh two police officers in 2027,

5204
03:55:28,399 --> 03:55:33,840
two police officers in 2028, a records

5205
03:55:31,120 --> 03:55:36,000
lead technician, a project supervisor

5206
03:55:33,840 --> 03:55:38,319
for PROS, and then a parks technician

5207
03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:40,239
one. And then going to the next slide,

5208
03:55:38,319 --> 03:55:42,399
park maintenance technician 2, a golf

5209
03:55:40,239 --> 03:55:45,279
maintenance tech two, spring, and then a

5210
03:55:42,399 --> 03:55:48,880
ranger naturalist. So, as Ryder noted,

5211
03:55:45,279 --> 03:55:50,479
um some of these are based upon uh well,

5212
03:55:48,880 --> 03:55:53,040
all of these are based upon budget

5213
03:55:50,479 --> 03:55:55,439
constraints. And another position, you

5214
03:55:53,040 --> 03:55:57,680
know, identified today was volunteer

5215
03:55:55,439 --> 03:56:00,399
coordinator. Um, that could be

5216
03:55:57,680 --> 03:56:02,000
potential, but you know, we did

5217
03:56:00,399 --> 03:56:03,760
prioritize and those are the positions

5218
03:56:02,000 --> 03:56:05,040
that you see before you in terms of

5219
03:56:03,760 --> 03:56:07,760
recommendations. Not that these

5220
03:56:05,040 --> 03:56:12,040
positions aren't um warranted, but we

5221
03:56:07,760 --> 03:56:12,040
just can't recommend them at this time.

5222
03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:18,160
» Any questions about

5223
03:56:16,239 --> 03:56:20,800
any of these positions that were not

5224
03:56:18,160 --> 03:56:22,640
recommended? Yes, council member.

5225
03:56:20,800 --> 03:56:24,319
» Thanks. I it's just the grant

5226
03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:26,399
administration man. We we've talked

5227
03:56:24,319 --> 03:56:30,239
about this and we've had a lot of grants

5228
03:56:26,399 --> 03:56:31,680
in the past. Um and we we also had like

5229
03:56:30,239 --> 03:56:33,199
you know we've seen some come through.

5230
03:56:31,680 --> 03:56:35,199
We've seen department heads particularly

5231
03:56:33,199 --> 03:56:37,680
around sustainability that handle this

5232
03:56:35,199 --> 03:56:39,120
really well for us. Um but you had

5233
03:56:37,680 --> 03:56:41,680
mentioned in the past we might be

5234
03:56:39,120 --> 03:56:44,399
missing some opportunities if we do not

5235
03:56:41,680 --> 03:56:46,399
have this position. I'm I'm curious. I

5236
03:56:44,399 --> 03:56:48,399
mean, obviously the the landscape has

5237
03:56:46,399 --> 03:56:50,080
changed state and federal wise, and

5238
03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:52,560
maybe that's not applicable right now,

5239
03:56:50,080 --> 03:56:53,760
but it might be two years from now. So,

5240
03:56:52,560 --> 03:56:55,840
would this be something you would be

5241
03:56:53,760 --> 03:56:58,160
continuing to evaluate for us?

5242
03:56:55,840 --> 03:57:00,000
» It would be. And in in making that

5243
03:56:58,160 --> 03:57:01,920
statement, um, there [clears throat] are

5244
03:57:00,000 --> 03:57:03,920
a lot of grant opportunities that are

5245
03:57:01,920 --> 03:57:06,880
out there that we're we're not plugged

5246
03:57:03,920 --> 03:57:08,640
into. And so, in having a full-time

5247
03:57:06,880 --> 03:57:10,560
grants person, they would be monitoring

5248
03:57:08,640 --> 03:57:12,239
what those opportunities are. But I

5249
03:57:10,560 --> 03:57:14,960
would also say right now we're not at a

5250
03:57:12,239 --> 03:57:16,960
capacity to take on a lot more. And so

5251
03:57:14,960 --> 03:57:19,120
sometimes these grants with good

5252
03:57:16,960 --> 03:57:22,000
intentions can become curses because

5253
03:57:19,120 --> 03:57:24,319
when you have to administer them um and

5254
03:57:22,000 --> 03:57:26,000
also come up with the match funding it

5255
03:57:24,319 --> 03:57:28,800
can become difficult and when we get

5256
03:57:26,000 --> 03:57:31,439
into the CIP discussion just preview as

5257
03:57:28,800 --> 03:57:33,920
we're talking about decarb projects um

5258
03:57:31,439 --> 03:57:36,960
this is going to be a key conversation

5259
03:57:33,920 --> 03:57:38,640
that we need to have. So as as maybe in

5260
03:57:36,960 --> 03:57:42,640
the future, this is something that we

5261
03:57:38,640 --> 03:57:44,160
need to look ahead to. Um but right now,

5262
03:57:42,640 --> 03:57:45,920
you know, we don't have capacity really

5263
03:57:44,160 --> 03:57:47,840
to take on a lot more grants, but we are

5264
03:57:45,920 --> 03:57:51,040
missing opportunities for grants.

5265
03:57:47,840 --> 03:57:53,120
» Okay. Thank you.

5266
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:55,760
» Other comments?

5267
03:57:53,120 --> 03:57:57,840
» I think that's a a great comment. Um

5268
03:57:55,760 --> 03:58:02,160
Council Member K. I I wanted to build on

5269
03:57:57,840 --> 03:58:05,199
it just to the to the extent that some

5270
03:58:02,160 --> 03:58:11,120
of the positions are being proposed.

5271
03:58:05,199 --> 03:58:13,279
um do have elements that um include kind

5272
03:58:11,120 --> 03:58:16,399
of paying for themselves or partly

5273
03:58:13,279 --> 03:58:18,319
paying for themselves. We can't count on

5274
03:58:16,399 --> 03:58:20,160
the revenue. It's like grant

5275
03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:22,399
administration, right? You hire somebody

5276
03:58:20,160 --> 03:58:24,239
on grants and you can't say, "Well, we

5277
03:58:22,399 --> 03:58:26,160
know that that's going to pay for itself

5278
03:58:24,239 --> 03:58:29,760
because that's just not the way the

5279
03:58:26,160 --> 03:58:32,560
budget accounting works." But um I think

5280
03:58:29,760 --> 03:58:35,600
it's important for the public to know

5281
03:58:32,560 --> 03:58:37,840
that there's there's something to be

5282
03:58:35,600 --> 03:58:39,920
considered there and I think staff has

5283
03:58:37,840 --> 03:58:42,000
already explained a bit of that. I think

5284
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:46,560
the other thing is that some of the

5285
03:58:42,000 --> 03:58:51,439
positions that have been proposed um are

5286
03:58:46,560 --> 03:58:54,720
um reduce the risk of uh expenditures

5287
03:58:51,439 --> 03:58:58,800
that either are very likely to occur

5288
03:58:54,720 --> 03:59:02,319
without that or could occur and have you

5289
03:58:58,800 --> 03:59:04,800
know if you did a um the calculation

5290
03:59:02,319 --> 03:59:08,160
about the percentage risk versus the

5291
03:59:04,800 --> 03:59:11,600
percentage loss that we might suffer um

5292
03:59:08,160 --> 03:59:14,080
I think there's an aspect of that um

5293
03:59:11,600 --> 03:59:16,640
which you know is is something I think

5294
03:59:14,080 --> 03:59:19,279
most most people understand a little bit

5295
03:59:16,640 --> 03:59:21,279
but it's not you know we don't always

5296
03:59:19,279 --> 03:59:24,800
know what we don't know but sometimes we

5297
03:59:21,279 --> 03:59:27,279
know that we may be on borrowed time on

5298
03:59:24,800 --> 03:59:30,479
certain kinds of things and and I think

5299
03:59:27,279 --> 03:59:33,279
of that civil engineer position as one

5300
03:59:30,479 --> 03:59:37,199
of them because there's just a lot that

5301
03:59:33,279 --> 03:59:39,600
we can do more efficiently and prevent

5302
03:59:37,199 --> 03:59:42,399
big problems from occurring and resolve

5303
03:59:39,600 --> 03:59:45,439
the ones that do occur. So, I wanted to

5304
03:59:42,399 --> 03:59:47,600
point that out. Um, you want to keep

5305
03:59:45,439 --> 03:59:50,560
going?

5306
03:59:47,600 --> 03:59:53,279
Thank you, mayor. That brings us to uh

5307
03:59:50,560 --> 03:59:55,040
service level reductions.

5308
03:59:53,279 --> 03:59:56,880
Um, department heads and staff have

5309
03:59:55,040 --> 03:59:58,399
refined and reviewed their budgets. A

5310
03:59:56,880 --> 03:59:59,840
few reductions have been recommended.

5311
03:59:58,399 --> 04:00:03,199
None are being recommended to be

5312
03:59:59,840 --> 04:00:04,880
restored at this time. Um, if you have

5313
04:00:03,199 --> 04:00:08,279
any questions, we're happy to answer

5314
04:00:04,880 --> 04:00:08,279
those on these.

5315
04:00:08,960 --> 04:00:13,120
questions from council. Council member

5316
04:00:10,880 --> 04:00:14,751
Coopermanman.

5317
04:00:13,120 --> 04:00:16,000
» Um

5318
04:00:14,751 --> 04:00:17,760
[clears throat]

5319
04:00:16,000 --> 04:00:20,800
the So the first one, the commercial

5320
04:00:17,760 --> 04:00:22,960
sustainability rebates, is that um

5321
04:00:20,800 --> 04:00:24,319
elimination or is that just reduction in

5322
04:00:22,960 --> 04:00:25,359
the amount of funding?

5323
04:00:24,319 --> 04:00:27,359
» Thank you, council member. It's

5324
04:00:25,359 --> 04:00:30,399
reduction in the amount of funding. And

5325
04:00:27,359 --> 04:00:32,000
those first two are to offset a grant

5326
04:00:30,399 --> 04:00:34,000
that we've historically received and

5327
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:35,920
used for staffing, but we will no longer

5328
04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:38,800
be able to receive and use for anything

5329
04:00:35,920 --> 04:00:40,880
but an added item. And since we're not

5330
04:00:38,800 --> 04:00:42,319
in a place to add at this point in time,

5331
04:00:40,880 --> 04:00:43,840
and the grant wouldn't fully cover the

5332
04:00:42,319 --> 04:00:46,399
things we would add, we're working to

5333
04:00:43,840 --> 04:00:53,279
show those offsets.

5334
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:56,319
» Okay. Um and uh Okay. And uh as if I

5335
04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:58,080
remember correctly, we've actually not

5336
04:00:56,319 --> 04:01:00,080
really done either of those first two

5337
04:00:58,080 --> 04:01:02,080
things, right? The applications are

5338
04:01:00,080 --> 04:01:03,840
still open for the the rebates and we

5339
04:01:02,080 --> 04:01:05,439
haven't started the

5340
04:01:03,840 --> 04:01:07,920
» So the applications are still open for

5341
04:01:05,439 --> 04:01:10,800
the rebates. Um and this proposal to

5342
04:01:07,920 --> 04:01:12,880
bring it down to 40,000 from 70,000 is

5343
04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:14,960
right sizing it with the applications it

5344
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:16,399
looks like we're receiving right now. So

5345
04:01:14,960 --> 04:01:18,560
right now we have four applications.

5346
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:22,319
They close in about a week. I think

5347
04:01:18,560 --> 04:01:24,080
August 3rd or 4th. Um, and they cover

5348
04:01:22,319 --> 04:01:26,560
things like decarbonization, efficiency,

5349
04:01:24,080 --> 04:01:28,800
and turf removal. We have seen not as

5350
04:01:26,560 --> 04:01:31,520
much uptake on that as we could. And

5351
04:01:28,800 --> 04:01:33,040
then the the sustainable neighborhood

5352
04:01:31,520 --> 04:01:34,960
network. We are still proposing to

5353
04:01:33,040 --> 04:01:37,520
launch this for this year. It's in the

5354
04:01:34,960 --> 04:01:39,359
works with a launch date in September.

5355
04:01:37,520 --> 04:01:41,040
We would still run this program, look

5356
04:01:39,359 --> 04:01:42,800
for opportunities to integrate it with

5357
04:01:41,040 --> 04:01:44,720
other things out there. I know we've got

5358
04:01:42,800 --> 04:01:47,040
community groups like Louisville Fires

5359
04:01:44,720 --> 04:01:49,520
Smart. see what that looks like and wrap

5360
04:01:47,040 --> 04:01:52,160
it as just a one-year pilot.

5361
04:01:49,520 --> 04:01:54,880
» Okay. And then could you just comment on

5362
04:01:52,160 --> 04:01:56,960
the last line um why you're thinking

5363
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:58,160
about eliminating that?

5364
04:01:56,960 --> 04:01:59,520
» Yeah, that's a great question. So, the

5365
04:01:58,160 --> 04:02:01,439
last line is the community event

5366
04:01:59,520 --> 04:02:04,080
sponsorship program. This was a pilot in

5367
04:02:01,439 --> 04:02:07,120
2026. It did take fairly significant

5368
04:02:04,080 --> 04:02:10,720
staff resources to work through this. It

5369
04:02:07,120 --> 04:02:13,680
funded nine um events and I would say it

5370
04:02:10,720 --> 04:02:15,439
seems very likely that most of them with

5371
04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:17,840
a strong exception for one of them would

5372
04:02:15,439 --> 04:02:19,279
have gone on without this funding. So as

5373
04:02:17,840 --> 04:02:20,960
we're looking for service level

5374
04:02:19,279 --> 04:02:23,520
reductions, this is an opportunity for

5375
04:02:20,960 --> 04:02:28,800
council to choose that.

5376
04:02:23,520 --> 04:02:32,640
» Okay. And if we did eliminate that, um

5377
04:02:28,800 --> 04:02:35,040
do you have a suggestion for

5378
04:02:32,640 --> 04:02:37,120
an alternative? Like I mean like if I

5379
04:02:35,040 --> 04:02:38,479
think about the turkey trot like we we

5380
04:02:37,120 --> 04:02:41,520
seem to have a lot of interest in

5381
04:02:38,479 --> 04:02:44,880
supporting them to some extent um and if

5382
04:02:41,520 --> 04:02:47,439
we so if we did but not through this

5383
04:02:44,880 --> 04:02:48,800
method um what would you recommend?

5384
04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:50,080
» So I can speak to it and city manager

5385
04:02:48,800 --> 04:02:51,840
Langley can speak to it too. You know

5386
04:02:50,080 --> 04:02:53,439
one of the alternatives is pairing this

5387
04:02:51,840 --> 04:02:55,840
in the future with a program such as

5388
04:02:53,439 --> 04:02:57,520
your nonprofit grants. The organization

5389
04:02:55,840 --> 04:02:59,520
I came from these things were compared.

5390
04:02:57,520 --> 04:03:01,760
The scope of that program was expanded a

5391
04:02:59,520 --> 04:03:04,399
little bit. Um, did you have something

5392
04:03:01,760 --> 04:03:05,920
you wanted to add there?

5393
04:03:04,399 --> 04:03:07,600
» I would just say if council's interested

5394
04:03:05,920 --> 04:03:09,760
in funding turkey trot, we could put

5395
04:03:07,600 --> 04:03:12,319
that as a line item in the budget for a

5396
04:03:09,760 --> 04:03:15,120
specific amount and do it specific for

5397
04:03:12,319 --> 04:03:17,199
Turkey Trot and then not include other

5398
04:03:15,120 --> 04:03:20,920
organizations.

5399
04:03:17,199 --> 04:03:20,920
» Okay, thank you.

5400
04:03:21,040 --> 04:03:25,279
» Questions?

5401
04:03:23,120 --> 04:03:30,080
» I just have one question. Is the back

5402
04:03:25,279 --> 04:03:33,040
tax amount used at all for or could it

5403
04:03:30,080 --> 04:03:36,040
be used for decarbonizing city

5404
04:03:33,040 --> 04:03:36,040
facilities?

5405
04:03:36,319 --> 04:03:41,120
So, that's a great question. Um, I' I'd

5406
04:03:39,359 --> 04:03:42,960
want to look at the language again of

5407
04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:44,960
the tax. I think the answer is

5408
04:03:42,960 --> 04:03:46,640
potentially under the uses of the tax.

5409
04:03:44,960 --> 04:03:50,000
So, I'd want to confirm that. However,

5410
04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:51,439
the amount of bag tax is not significant

5411
04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:53,359
enough to make an impact on those

5412
04:03:51,439 --> 04:03:54,560
projects. We're talking about millions

5413
04:03:53,359 --> 04:03:57,560
of dollars of projects for

5414
04:03:54,560 --> 04:03:57,560
decarbonization.

5415
04:04:00,720 --> 04:04:07,680
» Any other questions, comments

5416
04:04:04,319 --> 04:04:12,160
um as to the Thank you for the

5417
04:04:07,680 --> 04:04:13,760
clarification on the last um item. Um

5418
04:04:12,160 --> 04:04:16,800
and I don't want to spend too much time

5419
04:04:13,760 --> 04:04:18,640
on this. What I what I would suggest be

5420
04:04:16,800 --> 04:04:22,399
very interested in other council members

5421
04:04:18,640 --> 04:04:25,520
input on this is I would like to add the

5422
04:04:22,399 --> 04:04:28,479
turkey as a line item. Um but I think we

5423
04:04:25,520 --> 04:04:30,319
need more information. Uh specifically

5424
04:04:28,479 --> 04:04:31,840
I'd like more information about what the

5425
04:04:30,319 --> 04:04:35,840
sponsorships

5426
04:04:31,840 --> 04:04:40,880
of other communities are of that

5427
04:04:35,840 --> 04:04:42,800
uh event. um and have been um

5428
04:04:40,880 --> 04:04:45,199
um we could have a I I guess what I

5429
04:04:42,800 --> 04:04:49,040
would propose is we have a placeholder

5430
04:04:45,199 --> 04:04:51,840
um and we come back to that um

5431
04:04:49,040 --> 04:04:54,960
sometime when we have more information

5432
04:04:51,840 --> 04:04:56,640
um how do other council members think

5433
04:04:54,960 --> 04:05:00,399
about that?

5434
04:04:56,640 --> 04:05:02,399
Yes, council member or excuse me.

5435
04:05:00,399 --> 04:05:04,319
» So when you say put turkey trot as a

5436
04:05:02,399 --> 04:05:05,920
line item, you mean on service level

5437
04:05:04,319 --> 04:05:11,040
reductions?

5438
04:05:05,920 --> 04:05:12,560
Um, no. Um, as as an item in the budget.

5439
04:05:11,040 --> 04:05:13,279
» In the budget. Got it.

5440
04:05:12,560 --> 04:05:16,479
» Yeah.

5441
04:05:13,279 --> 04:05:19,760
» Okay. Um, my only other comment on this,

5442
04:05:16,479 --> 04:05:21,279
I I staff clearly has thought very

5443
04:05:19,760 --> 04:05:24,160
carefully about what they're going to

5444
04:05:21,279 --> 04:05:27,439
put on this slide. Um, and as you

5445
04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:30,160
continue to, you know, work through the

5446
04:05:27,439 --> 04:05:32,080
budget, I'm open if you have other

5447
04:05:30,160 --> 04:05:34,720
service level reductions that you think

5448
04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:37,120
are needed to balance the budget. Let's

5449
04:05:34,720 --> 04:05:41,479
have those conversations

5450
04:05:37,120 --> 04:05:41,479
um sooner rather than later.

5451
04:05:43,760 --> 04:05:50,160
» Okay. Yeah. Council member Cooperman. Um

5452
04:05:47,359 --> 04:05:54,960
I agree with Council Member Hamilton's

5453
04:05:50,160 --> 04:05:56,800
comment. Uh I had one other question. So

5454
04:05:54,960 --> 04:05:58,720
is this meant to be service level

5455
04:05:56,800 --> 04:06:02,560
reductions where you look across all

5456
04:05:58,720 --> 04:06:04,960
funds or is it meant to be like

5457
04:06:02,560 --> 04:06:07,760
this is mostly I mean these are all

5458
04:06:04,960 --> 04:06:10,399
three in the city manager's office so I

5459
04:06:07,760 --> 04:06:12,000
just wasn't clear like

5460
04:06:10,399 --> 04:06:13,760
where you were looking for these

5461
04:06:12,000 --> 04:06:15,279
reductions or

5462
04:06:13,760 --> 04:06:17,439
» Uh yeah council member we are looking

5463
04:06:15,279 --> 04:06:20,399
citywide but I think it's worth a caveat

5464
04:06:17,439 --> 04:06:22,399
that the direction to all department

5465
04:06:20,399 --> 04:06:24,720
heads was cost neutrality

5466
04:06:22,399 --> 04:06:26,960
So they were asked to refine and make

5467
04:06:24,720 --> 04:06:30,080
adjustments within their operations to

5468
04:06:26,960 --> 04:06:32,239
just to to to address just the headwinds

5469
04:06:30,080 --> 04:06:34,479
of just rising costs across the board.

5470
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:36,000
Probably why this list isn't so robust

5471
04:06:34,479 --> 04:06:38,960
is we've we've brought to you today a

5472
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:41,600
budget that's that's that's uh

5473
04:06:38,960 --> 04:06:43,279
» Closer to adoption. um when you take

5474
04:06:41,600 --> 04:06:44,560
those things into consideration so that

5475
04:06:43,279 --> 04:06:46,080
they looked within their operating

5476
04:06:44,560 --> 04:06:49,760
budgets and were expected to kind of

5477
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:52,560
hold the line um and so um that

5478
04:06:49,760 --> 04:06:54,160
direction resulted in not too many other

5479
04:06:52,560 --> 04:06:55,920
opportunities for reductions.

5480
04:06:54,160 --> 04:06:57,840
» Okay. I would also say that this

5481
04:06:55,920 --> 04:07:00,319
contributes to the theme of transitional

5482
04:06:57,840 --> 04:07:02,640
budget is that we need to set the

5483
04:07:00,319 --> 04:07:04,880
baseline within the foundation of the

5484
04:07:02,640 --> 04:07:06,880
community for what we provide in terms

5485
04:07:04,880 --> 04:07:09,040
of services so that we can have that

5486
04:07:06,880 --> 04:07:11,040
process with the community and council

5487
04:07:09,040 --> 04:07:13,600
in terms of what people are willing to

5488
04:07:11,040 --> 04:07:16,000
accept for service level reductions. if

5489
04:07:13,600 --> 04:07:18,720
we were to put those forward right now,

5490
04:07:16,000 --> 04:07:20,560
um that we would probably have a lot of

5491
04:07:18,720 --> 04:07:22,560
conversations about things and we

5492
04:07:20,560 --> 04:07:24,640
wouldn't have the foundation for people

5493
04:07:22,560 --> 04:07:26,880
to understand where we're coming from.

5494
04:07:24,640 --> 04:07:29,279
» And so in 2027, we really need to focus

5495
04:07:26,880 --> 04:07:30,960
on creating that foundation of the why

5496
04:07:29,279 --> 04:07:34,319
so that we can then start to have the

5497
04:07:30,960 --> 04:07:37,319
conversation of what can we do.

5498
04:07:34,319 --> 04:07:37,319
» Thanks.

5499
04:07:38,160 --> 04:07:43,399
Okay.

5500
04:07:40,399 --> 04:07:43,399
Um,

5501
04:07:43,760 --> 04:07:50,239
» All right. Um, you want to continue?

5502
04:07:47,040 --> 04:07:52,800
» So, maybe before I continue, do I have

5503
04:07:50,239 --> 04:07:54,160
clear direction on whether or not to

5504
04:07:52,800 --> 04:07:56,319
continue moving along in the budget

5505
04:07:54,160 --> 04:08:00,359
process with these outside of the city

5506
04:07:56,319 --> 04:08:00,359
manager's recommendation in September?

5507
04:08:03,680 --> 04:08:06,000
» Thumbs up.

5508
04:08:04,160 --> 04:08:10,319
» Yeah. Sorry, I had one more question.

5509
04:08:06,000 --> 04:08:13,279
So, um I think as you said before, the

5510
04:08:10,319 --> 04:08:14,720
the first two reductions are offsetting

5511
04:08:13,279 --> 04:08:17,840
essentially grant money that we're not

5512
04:08:14,720 --> 04:08:20,800
going to be getting. Um that grant money

5513
04:08:17,840 --> 04:08:22,720
has mostly been paying for

5514
04:08:20,800 --> 04:08:27,199
um a f

5515
04:08:22,720 --> 04:08:29,520
an um a staff position, right? So, is

5516
04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:31,840
the idea that these offsets are going to

5517
04:08:29,520 --> 04:08:32,800
help us retain that staff person?

5518
04:08:31,840 --> 04:08:36,080
» That's correct.

5519
04:08:32,800 --> 04:08:38,239
» Okay. Thank you. Can I clarify direction

5520
04:08:36,080 --> 04:08:39,840
on the last item?

5521
04:08:38,239 --> 04:08:41,680
I heard that you would like us to bring

5522
04:08:39,840 --> 04:08:43,359
back more information about the

5523
04:08:41,680 --> 04:08:45,359
sponsorships from other communities for

5524
04:08:43,359 --> 04:08:47,120
Turkey Trot and consider adding it as a

5525
04:08:45,359 --> 04:08:50,120
solo line to the budget. Okay, thank

5526
04:08:47,120 --> 04:08:50,120
you.

5527
04:08:52,000 --> 04:08:57,920
» Great. Um and otherwise are we

5528
04:08:55,279 --> 04:09:00,720
comfortable with

5529
04:08:57,920 --> 04:09:04,399
um each of these

5530
04:09:00,720 --> 04:09:07,600
non- reququests um or excuse me service

5531
04:09:04,399 --> 04:09:08,399
level reductions really?

5532
04:09:07,600 --> 04:09:11,600
» Yes.

5533
04:09:08,399 --> 04:09:14,319
» Yes. Okay. Good. Let's with a little

5534
04:09:11,600 --> 04:09:17,439
side we have a consensus on that one.

5535
04:09:14,319 --> 04:09:20,479
All right. Uh may we go to the next uh

5536
04:09:17,439 --> 04:09:24,640
part? I just to be clear, it's about

5537
04:09:20,479 --> 04:09:28,000
we've got about 50 minutes uh to go

5538
04:09:24,640 --> 04:09:32,080
through the remaining slides. We've got

5539
04:09:28,000 --> 04:09:35,840
um at least slidewise about 25 slides

5540
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:38,000
out of the whole 102. So, um I'm hopeful

5541
04:09:35,840 --> 04:09:41,760
we could get through those, but I think

5542
04:09:38,000 --> 04:09:45,040
we're doing pretty well. Long enough to

5543
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:46,239
cover the subject matter. Short enough?

5544
04:09:45,040 --> 04:09:48,479
» Yes, Mayor. I think we're in a good

5545
04:09:46,239 --> 04:09:51,760
spot. We may not get your second break.

5546
04:09:48,479 --> 04:09:53,760
Um, continuing on other policy and

5547
04:09:51,760 --> 04:09:56,160
fiscal items with significant impacts to

5548
04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:58,560
the budget. Let's talk about uh expense

5549
04:09:56,160 --> 04:09:59,920
growth outpacing revenue growth briefly.

5550
04:09:58,560 --> 04:10:02,920
This has been a theme throughout the

5551
04:09:59,920 --> 04:10:02,920
presentation.

5552
04:10:03,680 --> 04:10:08,080
Oh, thank you. Um, so while significant

5553
04:10:06,640 --> 04:10:09,359
progress has been made in the budget

5554
04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:10,560
development today here at the budget

5555
04:10:09,359 --> 04:10:12,720
retreat, there still are a number of

5556
04:10:10,560 --> 04:10:14,880
uncertainties regarding revenues and

5557
04:10:12,720 --> 04:10:17,520
expenditures. Again, we're seeing slowly

5558
04:10:14,880 --> 04:10:19,680
projected sales and property tax growth.

5559
04:10:17,520 --> 04:10:22,560
We will continue to monitor sales tax

5560
04:10:19,680 --> 04:10:24,720
extremely closely. Um the preliminary

5561
04:10:22,560 --> 04:10:27,680
property tax information is expected to

5562
04:10:24,720 --> 04:10:29,359
be from the assessor in August. And

5563
04:10:27,680 --> 04:10:31,279
there's there's uncertainty around

5564
04:10:29,359 --> 04:10:32,960
impacts of Sundance, Red Tail, King

5565
04:10:31,279 --> 04:10:34,399
Supers, and other future potential

5566
04:10:32,960 --> 04:10:36,880
developments. We'll keep monitoring

5567
04:10:34,399 --> 04:10:38,479
that. Inflation headwinds continue to be

5568
04:10:36,880 --> 04:10:40,319
strong. Um so that's something that

5569
04:10:38,479 --> 04:10:42,640
we'll monitor and will likely impact

5570
04:10:40,319 --> 04:10:44,720
future iterations of the budget. person

5571
04:10:42,640 --> 04:10:47,840
uh prioritizing our personnel and those

5572
04:10:44,720 --> 04:10:50,000
costs and also prioritizing our required

5573
04:10:47,840 --> 04:10:51,840
and contractual obligations. You know,

5574
04:10:50,000 --> 04:10:54,319
our insurance and legal costs,

5575
04:10:51,840 --> 04:10:55,520
utilities, uh dispatch, technology, and

5576
04:10:54,319 --> 04:10:58,239
other maintenance items have been

5577
04:10:55,520 --> 04:11:00,720
prioritized in this budget. Okay, here's

5578
04:10:58,239 --> 04:11:03,040
another council policy uh decision

5579
04:11:00,720 --> 04:11:05,120
point. Uh uh we've talked about this the

5580
04:11:03,040 --> 04:11:06,720
model uh through the presentation today,

5581
04:11:05,120 --> 04:11:09,520
but over the past three years, the

5582
04:11:06,720 --> 04:11:11,600
recreation center debt mill levy was

5583
04:11:09,520 --> 04:11:13,359
temporarily lowered to help offset those

5584
04:11:11,600 --> 04:11:15,760
property tax increases. However,

5585
04:11:13,359 --> 04:11:18,239
beginning in 2027, uh we are

5586
04:11:15,760 --> 04:11:21,920
recommending to reset the current mill

5587
04:11:18,239 --> 04:11:23,920
levy of 1.375 to 1.7 to align with the

5588
04:11:21,920 --> 04:11:26,640
annual debt service payments through

5589
04:11:23,920 --> 04:11:30,000
2042. The estimated impact to the median

5590
04:11:26,640 --> 04:11:32,000
home is roughly $20 uh per year. In

5591
04:11:30,000 --> 04:11:33,680
future years, the rec center mill levy

5592
04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:35,600
will continue to be adjusted to align

5593
04:11:33,680 --> 04:11:39,279
with future debt payments. So, I'd like

5594
04:11:35,600 --> 04:11:41,520
to pause here and seek your uh support

5595
04:11:39,279 --> 04:11:43,359
to suspend the temporary mil levy credit

5596
04:11:41,520 --> 04:11:45,600
and to align it with our annual debt

5597
04:11:43,359 --> 04:11:49,520
servicing payments.

5598
04:11:45,600 --> 04:11:52,560
» Is another way of putting the policy

5599
04:11:49,520 --> 04:11:56,399
decision that we're letting what was a

5600
04:11:52,560 --> 04:11:57,680
temporary measure lapse?

5601
04:11:56,399 --> 04:12:00,720
» Essentially.

5602
04:11:57,680 --> 04:12:02,239
» Okay. All right, other council member

5603
04:12:00,720 --> 04:12:05,920
questions.

5604
04:12:02,239 --> 04:12:10,600
Are we comfortable with that decision?

5605
04:12:05,920 --> 04:12:10,600
Everybody's got a thumbs up on that one.

5606
04:12:11,600 --> 04:12:15,040
» You all were here last night. I will

5607
04:12:13,279 --> 04:12:16,720
skip this one. I do not believe we know

5608
04:12:15,040 --> 04:12:18,080
any longer need direction to place this

5609
04:12:16,720 --> 04:12:20,640
on the ballot.

5610
04:12:18,080 --> 04:12:22,880
» Thank you.

5611
04:12:20,640 --> 04:12:24,479
» Not sure if in the last 48 minutes we

5612
04:12:22,880 --> 04:12:26,479
can afford a break. So, if the mayor is

5613
04:12:24,479 --> 04:12:30,160
okay, we will continue on to board and

5614
04:12:26,479 --> 04:12:33,439
commission requests. Uh, five boards and

5615
04:12:30,160 --> 04:12:34,560
commissions made.

5616
04:12:33,439 --> 04:12:36,720
Is that okay?

5617
04:12:34,560 --> 04:12:39,040
» I'm Yeah, I'm just sort of doing a quick

5618
04:12:36,720 --> 04:12:40,160
uh head count. Are we

5619
04:12:39,040 --> 04:12:40,800
» Two minutes?

5620
04:12:40,160 --> 04:12:41,520
» Pardon me.

5621
04:12:40,800 --> 04:12:43,680
» Two minutes.

5622
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:45,920
» Two minutes. Why don't we take a break

5623
04:12:43,680 --> 04:12:49,640
till 4:15?

5624
04:12:45,920 --> 04:12:49,640
We'll be back in race.

5625
04:16:16,080 --> 04:16:22,800
it and uh director, thank you for taking

5626
04:16:18,880 --> 04:16:25,800
us through the last no more than 44

5627
04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:25,800
minutes.

5628
04:16:26,720 --> 04:16:29,600
» Thank you, mayor. I appreciate all your

5629
04:16:28,239 --> 04:16:31,760
time and attention. I know you guys were

5630
04:16:29,600 --> 04:16:33,199
here late last night and have some of

5631
04:16:31,760 --> 04:16:35,600
you have an event after this meeting as

5632
04:16:33,199 --> 04:16:40,479
well. So very much appreciate your time

5633
04:16:35,600 --> 04:16:43,359
uh and attention uh today. Um

5634
04:16:40,479 --> 04:16:46,080
so board and commission requests uh

5635
04:16:43,359 --> 04:16:49,080
staff uh department heads

5636
04:16:46,080 --> 04:16:49,080
received

5637
04:16:50,720 --> 04:16:53,720
» That.

5638
04:16:55,439 --> 04:16:59,680
» We're getting there. All right. Bringing

5639
04:16:56,640 --> 04:17:01,520
y'all back in. Included

5640
04:16:59,680 --> 04:17:03,840
» Included within today's packet as an

5641
04:17:01,520 --> 04:17:05,279
attachment are uh we've compiled board

5642
04:17:03,840 --> 04:17:06,800
and commission requests from the

5643
04:17:05,279 --> 04:17:08,479
following boards and commissions.

5644
04:17:06,800 --> 04:17:10,239
Recreation advisory board, Lewisville

5645
04:17:08,479 --> 04:17:12,560
Sustainability Advisory Board, Open

5646
04:17:10,239 --> 04:17:15,840
Space Advisory Board, Cultural Advisory

5647
04:17:12,560 --> 04:17:18,000
Board, Historical Museum Advisory Board.

5648
04:17:15,840 --> 04:17:19,920
I've summarized this in total and

5649
04:17:18,000 --> 04:17:21,760
individually by board over the next

5650
04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:23,199
handful of slides. We've also indicated

5651
04:17:21,760 --> 04:17:25,760
whether or not they are in our current

5652
04:17:23,199 --> 04:17:28,560
modeling or not. um department heads are

5653
04:17:25,760 --> 04:17:30,880
here to speak to uh those requests if

5654
04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:33,040
you have any questions. So in total we

5655
04:17:30,880 --> 04:17:36,239
received 33 requests across those five

5656
04:17:33,040 --> 04:17:39,199
boards totaling nearly $15 million with

5657
04:17:36,239 --> 04:17:41,279
some additional positions as well. Um

5658
04:17:39,199 --> 04:17:42,960
you could see per board those amounts

5659
04:17:41,279 --> 04:17:45,279
across and you could see where their

5660
04:17:42,960 --> 04:17:46,720
funding source would primarily land for

5661
04:17:45,279 --> 04:17:49,199
cultural advisory board. The general

5662
04:17:46,720 --> 04:17:50,640
fund same with sustainability open space

5663
04:17:49,199 --> 04:17:53,120
advisory board would land within the

5664
04:17:50,640 --> 04:17:55,040
open space fund. The recreation advisory

5665
04:17:53,120 --> 04:17:57,600
board is covering a few different forts

5666
04:17:55,040 --> 04:17:59,279
cap uh funds the capital golf and

5667
04:17:57,600 --> 04:18:01,120
recreation funds and the historical

5668
04:17:59,279 --> 04:18:03,760
museum advisory board again would fall

5669
04:18:01,120 --> 04:18:05,600
within the general fund. So moving

5670
04:18:03,760 --> 04:18:08,720
through these and I suppose beginning

5671
04:18:05,600 --> 04:18:10,720
with the cultural advisory board at this

5672
04:18:08,720 --> 04:18:12,720
at this time we'll within the five

5673
04:18:10,720 --> 04:18:14,960
boards I'll probably turn to the

5674
04:18:12,720 --> 04:18:17,279
department heads that oversee them. So

5675
04:18:14,960 --> 04:18:18,800
if you have any questions or if Brand if

5676
04:18:17,279 --> 04:18:21,600
director Cummings would like to add some

5677
04:18:18,800 --> 04:18:23,279
color to these please do.

5678
04:18:21,600 --> 04:18:25,520
» Thank you Director Bailey. Happy to do a

5679
04:18:23,279 --> 04:18:27,600
very brief walk through. Um the cultural

5680
04:18:25,520 --> 04:18:31,199
advisory board submitted a request this

5681
04:18:27,600 --> 04:18:33,359
year in support of uh staffing for the

5682
04:18:31,199 --> 04:18:34,720
arts and culture department. As we know

5683
04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:36,319
that department is currently one

5684
04:18:34,720 --> 04:18:37,680
full-time employee and one part-time

5685
04:18:36,319 --> 04:18:39,520
employee who are responsible with

5686
04:18:37,680 --> 04:18:42,000
putting on 29 community events

5687
04:18:39,520 --> 04:18:44,000
throughout the year including our banner

5688
04:18:42,000 --> 04:18:47,680
4th of July that happened this year with

5689
04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:49,439
over 12,000 attendees. um 1.5 people is

5690
04:18:47,680 --> 04:18:51,920
not quite sufficient to continue these

5691
04:18:49,439 --> 04:18:53,680
beloved community traditions and uphold

5692
04:18:51,920 --> 04:18:56,399
them not only operationally but for

5693
04:18:53,680 --> 04:18:58,560
safety. So the board is requesting a uh

5694
04:18:56,399 --> 04:19:01,600
increase in staff funding to either make

5695
04:18:58,560 --> 04:19:03,199
our current part-timer full-time or the

5696
04:19:01,600 --> 04:19:06,720
addition of a full-timer to make the

5697
04:19:03,199 --> 04:19:09,040
total department two 2.5 FTEEs. In

5698
04:19:06,720 --> 04:19:10,640
addition to that, um as we've talked

5699
04:19:09,040 --> 04:19:12,399
about throughout the year, events are

5700
04:19:10,640 --> 04:19:13,760
costing more to do the same. We've seen

5701
04:19:12,399 --> 04:19:16,319
this with our partners who have come

5702
04:19:13,760 --> 04:19:18,640
before us with the same sort of asks.

5703
04:19:16,319 --> 04:19:21,439
Um, specifically Fourth of July this

5704
04:19:18,640 --> 04:19:23,279
year, um, next year without an increase

5705
04:19:21,439 --> 04:19:25,040
to that budget, we will not be able to

5706
04:19:23,279 --> 04:19:26,479
have any entertainment in Fourth of

5707
04:19:25,040 --> 04:19:28,560
July. So, it'll be fireworks, food,

5708
04:19:26,479 --> 04:19:30,720
trucks, and nothing else because the

5709
04:19:28,560 --> 04:19:32,960
cost of inflation for events is far

5710
04:19:30,720 --> 04:19:35,199
surpassing our our operational budget as

5711
04:19:32,960 --> 04:19:38,479
part of the operational fund or the

5712
04:19:35,199 --> 04:19:40,560
general fund. Um, lastly, our our

5713
04:19:38,479 --> 04:19:43,040
current allocation for public art is

5714
04:19:40,560 --> 04:19:44,720
$25,000 a year, which is insufficient

5715
04:19:43,040 --> 04:19:46,560
for any real gain for the city of

5716
04:19:44,720 --> 04:19:48,479
Lewisville's temporary or permanent

5717
04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:50,880
collection of public art. And so, with

5718
04:19:48,479 --> 04:19:52,640
an increased desire from the community,

5719
04:19:50,880 --> 04:19:54,159
um, the cultural advisory board thought

5720
04:19:52,640 --> 04:19:56,000
it was best to bring forward a request

5721
04:19:54,159 --> 04:19:57,520
for increased support in that so we can

5722
04:19:56,000 --> 04:19:59,279
activate programs like we see in our

5723
04:19:57,520 --> 04:20:01,680
neighboring communities, Lafayette,

5724
04:19:59,279 --> 04:20:03,680
Longmont, and Superior. Happy to answer

5725
04:20:01,680 --> 04:20:07,279
any questions.

5726
04:20:03,680 --> 04:20:09,520
» Council questions. Yes, member Tim.

5727
04:20:07,279 --> 04:20:12,720
» I just have a general question and I I

5728
04:20:09,520 --> 04:20:15,199
don't know who can answer it, but when

5729
04:20:12,720 --> 04:20:17,199
boards and commissions submit these

5730
04:20:15,199 --> 04:20:21,680
requests,

5731
04:20:17,199 --> 04:20:24,880
do they have um

5732
04:20:21,680 --> 04:20:27,520
do they get information about where the

5733
04:20:24,880 --> 04:20:29,520
budget is when they submit these

5734
04:20:27,520 --> 04:20:31,439
requests?

5735
04:20:29,520 --> 04:20:33,199
» I can speak to that for my boards if

5736
04:20:31,439 --> 04:20:34,640
that's helpful. So yes, we talk with

5737
04:20:33,199 --> 04:20:36,960
each of our boards about where the

5738
04:20:34,640 --> 04:20:38,479
budget is, how the funding shows up. Um

5739
04:20:36,960 --> 04:20:40,640
the difference between being part of the

5740
04:20:38,479 --> 04:20:42,720
general fund where we don't have costs

5741
04:20:40,640 --> 04:20:44,399
or fees that we can raise to cover the

5742
04:20:42,720 --> 04:20:46,319
cost of our services we provide the

5743
04:20:44,399 --> 04:20:47,359
community versus being in an enterprise

5744
04:20:46,319 --> 04:20:49,600
fund that might have those

5745
04:20:47,359 --> 04:20:51,760
opportunities. And then we talk about

5746
04:20:49,600 --> 04:20:53,279
what goals might align with what the

5747
04:20:51,760 --> 04:20:55,120
department has set out for the coming

5748
04:20:53,279 --> 04:20:57,359
years and the goals we hear from city

5749
04:20:55,120 --> 04:20:59,600
council and city leadership overall.

5750
04:20:57,359 --> 04:21:02,159
Then that results in well to do those

5751
04:20:59,600 --> 04:21:03,040
things we need X. and then we calculate

5752
04:21:02,159 --> 04:21:04,640
what that might cost.

5753
04:21:03,040 --> 04:21:07,680
» Okay. And do they see some of the

5754
04:21:04,640 --> 04:21:08,640
projections and bar graphs that we see?

5755
04:21:07,680 --> 04:21:10,399
Typically

5756
04:21:08,640 --> 04:21:12,080
» This information isn't available until

5757
04:21:10,399 --> 04:21:13,680
we get into budget season and these

5758
04:21:12,080 --> 04:21:15,840
requests are due before that information

5759
04:21:13,680 --> 04:21:17,840
is calculated. But they are able to look

5760
04:21:15,840 --> 04:21:20,000
back at last year's. Um we do share with

5761
04:21:17,840 --> 04:21:22,800
them or I did share with my boards um

5762
04:21:20,000 --> 04:21:24,560
that we are expecting a flat budget

5763
04:21:22,800 --> 04:21:26,319
which is why this is actually a rainedin

5764
04:21:24,560 --> 04:21:28,159
request um compared to what you might

5765
04:21:26,319 --> 04:21:33,199
see from some of our other boards. Yeah.

5766
04:21:28,159 --> 04:21:34,640
» Got it. Thank you. Okay. Other

5767
04:21:33,199 --> 04:21:36,159
questions? Yes, Council Member

5768
04:21:34,640 --> 04:21:38,720
Crooppleman.

5769
04:21:36,159 --> 04:21:43,359
» Um,

5770
04:21:38,720 --> 04:21:45,760
yeah, I guess the first two items um

5771
04:21:43,359 --> 04:21:48,159
sort of strike me as things that

5772
04:21:45,760 --> 04:21:52,239
cultural services might have requested

5773
04:21:48,159 --> 04:21:55,040
itself. Um, you know, so I guess I'm

5774
04:21:52,239 --> 04:21:57,199
curious for the first one.

5775
04:21:55,040 --> 04:22:00,720
um you know, if we left our staffing as

5776
04:21:57,199 --> 04:22:03,120
it is, you know, do we feel like we're

5777
04:22:00,720 --> 04:22:04,800
going to have to reduce the number of

5778
04:22:03,120 --> 04:22:07,840
events that we're putting on or can we

5779
04:22:04,800 --> 04:22:10,399
maintain what we did in this last year?

5780
04:22:07,840 --> 04:22:12,640
Um and then likewise for the second one,

5781
04:22:10,399 --> 04:22:15,359
right, if we don't put a little more

5782
04:22:12,640 --> 04:22:18,239
money behind uh those events, are we

5783
04:22:15,359 --> 04:22:19,120
going to have to cut back on them in in

5784
04:22:18,239 --> 04:22:20,800
this coming year?

5785
04:22:19,120 --> 04:22:22,720
» Yeah. So these were also areas that

5786
04:22:20,800 --> 04:22:25,359
cultural services identified as service

5787
04:22:22,720 --> 04:22:27,600
level reductions in preparation for a

5788
04:22:25,359 --> 04:22:29,040
neutral budget. And so without

5789
04:22:27,600 --> 04:22:30,880
investment, we will have to see

5790
04:22:29,040 --> 04:22:32,479
reduction in programs offered to the

5791
04:22:30,880 --> 04:22:34,800
community. We just aren't able to

5792
04:22:32,479 --> 04:22:37,680
continue to do more with less at this

5793
04:22:34,800 --> 04:22:40,159
point. Um our hope is to find ways to

5794
04:22:37,680 --> 04:22:41,840
make that as mutually impactful to the

5795
04:22:40,159 --> 04:22:43,600
community as possible. Maybe we can team

5796
04:22:41,840 --> 04:22:46,159
up with other departments to help cost

5797
04:22:43,600 --> 04:22:48,880
share or people share. Um, we've been

5798
04:22:46,159 --> 04:22:51,040
continuing to look at ways to activate

5799
04:22:48,880 --> 04:22:52,800
volunteers, um, get those into our

5800
04:22:51,040 --> 04:22:54,560
communities. The city's working hard on

5801
04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:56,960
updating their volunteer processes and

5802
04:22:54,560 --> 04:22:59,120
policies to help us with that. But

5803
04:22:56,960 --> 04:23:03,479
overall, at this point, we are beyond

5804
04:22:59,120 --> 04:23:03,479
capacity and we remain beyond capacity.

5805
04:23:07,680 --> 04:23:13,120
» Other comments or questions? Yes,

5806
04:23:10,800 --> 04:23:17,520
Council Member Ra. I I think at minimum

5807
04:23:13,120 --> 04:23:19,600
we should do the the middle item. Um

5808
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:22,560
maintaining the same level of Fourth and

5809
04:23:19,600 --> 04:23:25,600
Fourth of July and summer concerts. I

5810
04:23:22,560 --> 04:23:28,399
know um we would hear I think a lot from

5811
04:23:25,600 --> 04:23:31,040
folks if those were

5812
04:23:28,399 --> 04:23:34,359
um scaled back significantly from what

5813
04:23:31,040 --> 04:23:34,359
they are now.

5814
04:23:35,199 --> 04:23:38,800
» Yes, Council Member Kurt.

5815
04:23:36,640 --> 04:23:40,399
» So I'm curious. So, you're mentioning um

5816
04:23:38,800 --> 04:23:42,560
specific with the Fourth of July,

5817
04:23:40,399 --> 04:23:45,439
there's three primary cost components.

5818
04:23:42,560 --> 04:23:47,199
The food trucks, the music, and the

5819
04:23:45,439 --> 04:23:49,520
fireworks. I thought the fireworks were

5820
04:23:47,199 --> 04:23:50,560
donated to the city. Is there

5821
04:23:49,520 --> 04:23:51,920
marginally?

5822
04:23:50,560 --> 04:23:53,520
» No, I I'm not sure where that

5823
04:23:51,920 --> 04:23:56,080
information might have come from.

5824
04:23:53,520 --> 04:23:58,960
Fireworks cost us $18,000.

5825
04:23:56,080 --> 04:24:01,439
» Oh, that's not that bad. Um Okay. So,

5826
04:23:58,960 --> 04:24:03,120
then and like

5827
04:24:01,439 --> 04:24:04,080
where where's like the cost to the city

5828
04:24:03,120 --> 04:24:06,239
for the food trucks?

5829
04:24:04,080 --> 04:24:08,239
» Yeah. So, actually to clarify what I was

5830
04:24:06,239 --> 04:24:10,399
saying that this coming year's Fourth of

5831
04:24:08,239 --> 04:24:10,880
July would only be fireworks and food

5832
04:24:10,399 --> 04:24:13,439
trucks.

5833
04:24:10,880 --> 04:24:15,120
» Oh, because we wouldn't be able to apply

5834
04:24:13,439 --> 04:24:16,560
any of our music. We wouldn't be able to

5835
04:24:15,120 --> 04:24:18,479
have any bands. We wouldn't have any

5836
04:24:16,560 --> 04:24:20,640
bounce houses or family entertainment.

5837
04:24:18,479 --> 04:24:23,040
It would just be food trucks, fireworks,

5838
04:24:20,640 --> 04:24:24,640
golf cart course fees.

5839
04:24:23,040 --> 04:24:25,840
» Yeah. And I have that breakdown of those

5840
04:24:24,640 --> 04:24:26,000
numbers if you'd like me to run through

5841
04:24:25,840 --> 04:24:27,520
them.

5842
04:24:26,000 --> 04:24:28,800
» And what do you think the cut back is in

5843
04:24:27,520 --> 04:24:30,560
the summer concerts that you're

5844
04:24:28,800 --> 04:24:31,760
suggesting if we don't increase the

5845
04:24:30,560 --> 04:24:34,000
budget?

5846
04:24:31,760 --> 04:24:37,199
We rolled back to four when the budget

5847
04:24:34,000 --> 04:24:40,479
was reduced in 2025. Um, four is

5848
04:24:37,199 --> 04:24:42,319
manageable with reduction of maybe other

5849
04:24:40,479 --> 04:24:43,600
events as well. So things that might be

5850
04:24:42,319 --> 04:24:45,840
on the table are things like block

5851
04:24:43,600 --> 04:24:47,920
party, the world music series. There's

5852
04:24:45,840 --> 04:24:50,000
some wintertime events that we do. Um,

5853
04:24:47,920 --> 04:24:51,359
the silent movie that's rather popular

5854
04:24:50,000 --> 04:24:53,920
at the art center that happens in

5855
04:24:51,359 --> 04:24:55,600
October. So overall, it's, you know,

5856
04:24:53,920 --> 04:24:57,359
it's that domino effect of trying to

5857
04:24:55,600 --> 04:25:00,319
figure out what we can prioritize and

5858
04:24:57,359 --> 04:25:02,479
maintain. So, if we aren't able to

5859
04:25:00,319 --> 04:25:04,000
afford the increase for this, at least

5860
04:25:02,479 --> 04:25:06,720
maybe the whole amount, maybe just

5861
04:25:04,000 --> 04:25:08,479
enough just to do the Fourth of July. It

5862
04:25:06,720 --> 04:25:10,319
is possible though for you to cost shift

5863
04:25:08,479 --> 04:25:12,239
into maintaining the summer concerts

5864
04:25:10,319 --> 04:25:12,880
versus some of the other items that you

5865
04:25:12,239 --> 04:25:14,399
just mentioned.

5866
04:25:12,880 --> 04:25:15,680
» Possibly.

5867
04:25:14,399 --> 04:25:17,600
» Yeah, because I agree. I think the

5868
04:25:15,680 --> 04:25:19,439
summer concert series is we I mean, we

5869
04:25:17,600 --> 04:25:21,680
consistently hear how popular that is

5870
04:25:19,439 --> 04:25:22,880
and and you know, what a draw and an

5871
04:25:21,680 --> 04:25:26,239
interesting thing on a Thursday night.

5872
04:25:22,880 --> 04:25:28,159
So I I would I mean I I hear about it

5873
04:25:26,239 --> 04:25:30,479
more than mo than a lot of other events

5874
04:25:28,159 --> 04:25:32,399
that the city sponsors. So um my guess

5875
04:25:30,479 --> 04:25:35,040
is that it would be a disappointment if

5876
04:25:32,399 --> 04:25:36,640
we couldn't continue with it. I don't

5877
04:25:35,040 --> 04:25:38,960
know if that means the extra funding has

5878
04:25:36,640 --> 04:25:40,880
to come in be added to the budget but

5879
04:25:38,960 --> 04:25:44,040
instead taken from some other areas in

5880
04:25:40,880 --> 04:25:44,040
my opinion.

5881
04:25:44,560 --> 04:25:50,159
» Other comments.

5882
04:25:47,439 --> 04:25:53,279
» Yes. Council member Coopermanman.

5883
04:25:50,159 --> 04:25:55,279
Uh, one little question. If we shift it

5884
04:25:53,279 --> 04:25:56,800
to something like a drone show, do you

5885
04:25:55,279 --> 04:25:58,159
know if that would be more expensive or

5886
04:25:56,800 --> 04:26:00,000
less expensive?

5887
04:25:58,159 --> 04:26:02,720
» The smallest available drone show on the

5888
04:26:00,000 --> 04:26:04,880
front range is $15,000 outside of our

5889
04:26:02,720 --> 04:26:05,760
current fireworks budget.

5890
04:26:04,880 --> 04:26:07,040
» So, be more expensive.

5891
04:26:05,760 --> 04:26:09,760
» More expensive. Yes. Okay, that's

5892
04:26:07,040 --> 04:26:11,439
interesting. Um,

5893
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:14,239
» That's another discussion, but I was

5894
04:26:11,439 --> 04:26:17,840
just curious. Um, but I I I tend to

5895
04:26:14,239 --> 04:26:20,399
agree I with Council Member Hefner. Um I

5896
04:26:17,840 --> 04:26:24,199
would like to try to fund the middle

5897
04:26:20,399 --> 04:26:24,199
item to some extent.

5898
04:26:25,920 --> 04:26:31,120
» Other comments

5899
04:26:28,399 --> 04:26:33,199
of public art.

5900
04:26:31,120 --> 04:26:35,439
» Go ahead.

5901
04:26:33,199 --> 04:26:38,319
» I would agree with that also to fund the

5902
04:26:35,439 --> 04:26:42,880
center item, but I would also be

5903
04:26:38,319 --> 04:26:45,439
interested in at least going to

5904
04:26:42,880 --> 04:26:49,880
part-time to a full-time on that first

5905
04:26:45,439 --> 04:26:49,880
position. the events coordinator.

5906
04:26:50,800 --> 04:26:55,120
» I appreciate that. I do want to speak to

5907
04:26:53,120 --> 04:26:58,080
the fact that while funding the

5908
04:26:55,120 --> 04:27:00,479
additional um costs of inflation for

5909
04:26:58,080 --> 04:27:02,880
events does not give us the body

5910
04:27:00,479 --> 04:27:05,439
resources that we need. So to to council

5911
04:27:02,880 --> 04:27:08,560
member's point there, um staffing is is

5912
04:27:05,439 --> 04:27:10,479
a sort of a tandem situation because

5913
04:27:08,560 --> 04:27:13,359
there's 29 events throughout the

5914
04:27:10,479 --> 04:27:16,560
community every year and 1.5 people. uh

5915
04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:18,159
we tend to run up into our allowance for

5916
04:27:16,560 --> 04:27:20,479
how often we're able to work our part-

5917
04:27:18,159 --> 04:27:23,479
timerrs. So, that becomes quite a

5918
04:27:20,479 --> 04:27:23,479
challenge.

5919
04:27:24,640 --> 04:27:30,880
» It sounds like we have a consensus on

5920
04:27:27,439 --> 04:27:34,000
the middle one. Um

5921
04:27:30,880 --> 04:27:38,319
this is a hard one. Uh I think um

5922
04:27:34,000 --> 04:27:41,760
because I I think having staff there to

5923
04:27:38,319 --> 04:27:44,319
do events is really important. I think

5924
04:27:41,760 --> 04:27:47,120
public art, we've heard certainly from

5925
04:27:44,319 --> 04:27:51,040
the public over and over again about

5926
04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:54,159
that, but it's not the priority that

5927
04:27:51,040 --> 04:27:57,680
others other items

5928
04:27:54,159 --> 04:27:59,600
elsewhere in the budget um are. And I

5929
04:27:57,680 --> 04:28:02,560
know that

5930
04:27:59,600 --> 04:28:07,439
director, you've gone through and these

5931
04:28:02,560 --> 04:28:11,760
aren't in your current requests or the

5932
04:28:07,439 --> 04:28:15,600
part you're requesting. That's

5933
04:28:11,760 --> 04:28:20,640
But in um I guess qu one question for

5934
04:28:15,600 --> 04:28:24,399
you is um this is a board and commission

5935
04:28:20,640 --> 04:28:27,120
request. Um

5936
04:28:24,399 --> 04:28:30,080
you've cons you've reviewed these as

5937
04:28:27,120 --> 04:28:31,439
part of your own analysis right in terms

5938
04:28:30,080 --> 04:28:33,840
of priorities.

5939
04:28:31,439 --> 04:28:35,520
» Correct. So, while these requests didn't

5940
04:28:33,840 --> 04:28:37,600
come through our budget process, these

5941
04:28:35,520 --> 04:28:39,520
have been internal requests as we've

5942
04:28:37,600 --> 04:28:41,680
been looking at um department

5943
04:28:39,520 --> 04:28:43,920
restructuring and what we can do to best

5944
04:28:41,680 --> 04:28:45,760
utilize what resources we have available

5945
04:28:43,920 --> 04:28:49,680
to align our resource level with our

5946
04:28:45,760 --> 04:28:52,560
output. So, um these these numbers are

5947
04:28:49,680 --> 04:28:55,199
are accurate to our pay and to our

5948
04:28:52,560 --> 04:28:58,239
policies. Yes.

5949
04:28:55,199 --> 04:29:01,120
I mean on the public art um there's

5950
04:28:58,239 --> 04:29:06,560
nothing certainly that stops community

5951
04:29:01,120 --> 04:29:11,439
members from collectively acting to

5952
04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:14,800
» Um potentially provide um

5953
04:29:11,439 --> 04:29:16,319
funding that might be used consistent

5954
04:29:14,800 --> 04:29:18,159
with our own policies.

5955
04:29:16,319 --> 04:29:20,159
» We are working through those policies.

5956
04:29:18,159 --> 04:29:22,640
Currently that level of donation policy

5957
04:29:20,159 --> 04:29:23,920
for the city is not in place. So, we're

5958
04:29:22,640 --> 04:29:25,120
working through those processes.

5959
04:29:23,920 --> 04:29:26,640
» City manager.

5960
04:29:25,120 --> 04:29:28,800
» Um, just something I'd like to note,

5961
04:29:26,640 --> 04:29:30,479
too. You know, I really appreciate

5962
04:29:28,800 --> 04:29:32,720
everything that Director Cummings does

5963
04:29:30,479 --> 04:29:34,159
and her department does. This is a hard

5964
04:29:32,720 --> 04:29:36,560
conversation and this is a hard

5965
04:29:34,159 --> 04:29:38,720
conversation for her staff to listen to.

5966
04:29:36,560 --> 04:29:41,359
Um, part of that is because on the flip

5967
04:29:38,720 --> 04:29:44,560
side, we approve increases for chamber

5968
04:29:41,359 --> 04:29:46,000
contract. We approve increases for DBA

5969
04:29:44,560 --> 04:29:48,399
contracts. We're going to be bringing

5970
04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:50,399
forward to you a request from the DBA to

5971
04:29:48,399 --> 04:29:53,199
give them an additional $35,000 for the

5972
04:29:50,399 --> 04:29:55,840
ice rink for last year. Um because they

5973
04:29:53,199 --> 04:29:57,040
are short that amount for that. They're

5974
04:29:55,840 --> 04:29:58,960
going to be requesting additional

5975
04:29:57,040 --> 04:29:59,840
funding for the ice rink for this year.

5976
04:29:58,960 --> 04:30:01,760
They're going to be requesting

5977
04:29:59,840 --> 04:30:04,080
additional funding for street fair. And

5978
04:30:01,760 --> 04:30:07,439
so really this comes down to is

5979
04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:10,159
council's priority city events? Is

5980
04:30:07,439 --> 04:30:13,120
council's priority the broader city

5981
04:30:10,159 --> 04:30:15,600
events that are being put on by multiple

5982
04:30:13,120 --> 04:30:18,319
organizations? And sometimes I feel like

5983
04:30:15,600 --> 04:30:21,840
we give um director Cummings mixed

5984
04:30:18,319 --> 04:30:24,640
messages in terms of what we support and

5985
04:30:21,840 --> 04:30:26,399
we're looking for more definitive. If

5986
04:30:24,640 --> 04:30:27,920
you want cultural services to be in

5987
04:30:26,399 --> 04:30:30,800
charge of these events, then we need to

5988
04:30:27,920 --> 04:30:33,040
provide them the ability to do so or we

5989
04:30:30,800 --> 04:30:34,800
need to talk about events that we can

5990
04:30:33,040 --> 04:30:36,479
cut

5991
04:30:34,800 --> 04:30:38,399
or are we going to put more funds

5992
04:30:36,479 --> 04:30:40,960
towards these events that are run by

5993
04:30:38,399 --> 04:30:42,880
other agencies and then we're we're

5994
04:30:40,960 --> 04:30:45,439
great with what they can do with what

5995
04:30:42,880 --> 04:30:47,120
they have. And so this is again this is

5996
04:30:45,439 --> 04:30:49,520
that conversation of these are going

5997
04:30:47,120 --> 04:30:51,199
back to writer's early slide about some

5998
04:30:49,520 --> 04:30:53,120
difficult conversations. This is one of

5999
04:30:51,199 --> 04:30:56,640
those difficult items because nobody

6000
04:30:53,120 --> 04:31:00,319
feels good talking about this.

6001
04:30:56,640 --> 04:31:02,080
» I I was going to make a suggestion about

6002
04:31:00,319 --> 04:31:06,000
this. I'd be very interested in how

6003
04:31:02,080 --> 04:31:09,040
council might think about this. Um

6004
04:31:06,000 --> 04:31:12,560
clearly we've we have I think consensus

6005
04:31:09,040 --> 04:31:14,960
about the second item. Um I wonder as

6006
04:31:12,560 --> 04:31:18,720
we're consider you know as we consider

6007
04:31:14,960 --> 04:31:21,279
those other um items that you were

6008
04:31:18,720 --> 04:31:25,600
talking about potential requests from

6009
04:31:21,279 --> 04:31:29,120
DBA and so forth whether we might maybe

6010
04:31:25,600 --> 04:31:32,399
revisit this in the with under the

6011
04:31:29,120 --> 04:31:34,560
perhaps broader umbrella of events. we

6012
04:31:32,399 --> 04:31:36,159
might be able to conceivably make a

6013
04:31:34,560 --> 04:31:40,720
policy

6014
04:31:36,159 --> 04:31:42,640
decision um related to that and have a

6015
04:31:40,720 --> 04:31:44,560
little bit more wholesome discussion.

6016
04:31:42,640 --> 04:31:47,920
It's one of the things that's hard about

6017
04:31:44,560 --> 04:31:49,439
this is just the way it works and the

6018
04:31:47,920 --> 04:31:51,760
time

6019
04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:55,120
the time space continuum. I think it was

6020
04:31:51,760 --> 04:31:57,279
described uh in one

6021
04:31:55,120 --> 04:31:59,840
council meeting is that we're not we

6022
04:31:57,279 --> 04:32:03,040
don't have all of the like things to

6023
04:31:59,840 --> 04:32:07,359
compare with, right? and you've brought

6024
04:32:03,040 --> 04:32:09,279
it up and I do appreciate that. Um, so I

6025
04:32:07,359 --> 04:32:11,760
would just suggest maybe we come back,

6026
04:32:09,279 --> 04:32:14,720
you know, we give the guidance [snorts]

6027
04:32:11,760 --> 04:32:17,120
that we all I think have a consensus

6028
04:32:14,720 --> 04:32:20,640
about and then maybe talk about the

6029
04:32:17,120 --> 04:32:23,760
other two and whatever else

6030
04:32:20,640 --> 04:32:26,319
relates to events and the balance

6031
04:32:23,760 --> 04:32:29,600
between city sponsored events, city

6032
04:32:26,319 --> 04:32:33,600
staffed events and those sponsored

6033
04:32:29,600 --> 04:32:35,439
staffed outside agencies that get money

6034
04:32:33,600 --> 04:32:36,159
from us.

6035
04:32:35,439 --> 04:32:37,760
Yeah.

6036
04:32:36,159 --> 04:32:39,279
» Does that sound like something first

6037
04:32:37,760 --> 04:32:40,880
that

6038
04:32:39,279 --> 04:32:43,199
» That does that sounds like a good

6039
04:32:40,880 --> 04:32:45,840
approach? Another option would be if you

6040
04:32:43,199 --> 04:32:47,600
wanted to fund some of these with

6041
04:32:45,840 --> 04:32:50,399
one-time funds, recognizing it's just

6042
04:32:47,600 --> 04:32:52,800
for this budget cycle as we during this

6043
04:32:50,399 --> 04:32:54,960
next two-year period work through some

6044
04:32:52,800 --> 04:32:56,720
of these items and gives us time to work

6045
04:32:54,960 --> 04:32:59,279
through them. That would give you the

6046
04:32:56,720 --> 04:33:01,040
opportunity to continue provide director

6047
04:32:59,279 --> 04:33:03,359
Cummings the resources that she needs

6048
04:33:01,040 --> 04:33:06,080
for the next two years as we then

6049
04:33:03,359 --> 04:33:08,639
evaluate Sundance and evaluate these

6050
04:33:06,080 --> 04:33:11,959
other items that will occur during this

6051
04:33:08,639 --> 04:33:11,959
budget period.

6052
04:33:12,879 --> 04:33:19,439
» We might be able to do that along with

6053
04:33:15,439 --> 04:33:22,639
the other items. No, I mean I I don't

6054
04:33:19,439 --> 04:33:24,000
want to hold up the process to too much,

6055
04:33:22,639 --> 04:33:27,600
but I mean it's we're going to be

6056
04:33:24,000 --> 04:33:30,879
dealing with that in the budget

6057
04:33:27,600 --> 04:33:32,719
process. Maybe doing all of what we've

6058
04:33:30,879 --> 04:33:35,359
been talking about together. What you

6059
04:33:32,719 --> 04:33:37,039
just mentioned, what I mentioned, um

6060
04:33:35,359 --> 04:33:38,879
might work.

6061
04:33:37,039 --> 04:33:40,480
» Yes, Council Member F.

6062
04:33:38,879 --> 04:33:42,639
» Yeah, I I agree. I mean, I think we

6063
04:33:40,480 --> 04:33:45,359
should fund the first two items here for

6064
04:33:42,639 --> 04:33:46,959
both years of this budget with the

6065
04:33:45,359 --> 04:33:50,320
expectation that, you know, we'll

6066
04:33:46,959 --> 04:33:52,959
revisit them as we consider this

6067
04:33:50,320 --> 04:33:55,840
from a from a higher level perspective.

6068
04:33:52,959 --> 04:33:58,799
Um, but but these are highly visible,

6069
04:33:55,840 --> 04:34:01,439
very important events to the community.

6070
04:33:58,799 --> 04:34:03,119
It's, you know,

6071
04:34:01,439 --> 04:34:04,799
delivering water is very important and

6072
04:34:03,119 --> 04:34:06,561
very good. It doesn't generate a lot of

6073
04:34:04,799 --> 04:34:08,480
joy or excitement. These generate a lot

6074
04:34:06,561 --> 04:34:10,561
of joy and excitement. It's a relatively

6075
04:34:08,480 --> 04:34:12,480
modest amount of money in terms of

6076
04:34:10,561 --> 04:34:14,639
everything we're looking at. And I I

6077
04:34:12,480 --> 04:34:16,160
just

6078
04:34:14,639 --> 04:34:17,840
I think we've got to do it for this

6079
04:34:16,160 --> 04:34:20,400
budget cycle and we should have the the

6080
04:34:17,840 --> 04:34:22,320
more detailed conversation about where

6081
04:34:20,400 --> 04:34:25,359
all of all of these dollars are going

6082
04:34:22,320 --> 04:34:28,160
and DBA and street fair and so on. Um

6083
04:34:25,359 --> 04:34:29,840
but

6084
04:34:28,160 --> 04:34:33,279
I think it would be a mistake to to let

6085
04:34:29,840 --> 04:34:35,279
these dwindle. So, my only concern with

6086
04:34:33,279 --> 04:34:36,959
the first one um by only approving it

6087
04:34:35,279 --> 04:34:39,439
for the next two years is that that

6088
04:34:36,959 --> 04:34:41,520
actually creates an employment challenge

6089
04:34:39,439 --> 04:34:44,639
um unless we're saying let's approve

6090
04:34:41,520 --> 04:34:46,561
either another part-time person to help

6091
04:34:44,639 --> 04:34:48,480
with the events because that's a really

6092
04:34:46,561 --> 04:34:50,080
easy thing to hire somebody just for a

6093
04:34:48,480 --> 04:34:52,400
season or two seasons or what have you.

6094
04:34:50,080 --> 04:34:55,359
I think making somebody a full-time

6095
04:34:52,400 --> 04:34:56,959
employee that is not going to change and

6096
04:34:55,359 --> 04:34:58,639
the expectation should be then that

6097
04:34:56,959 --> 04:35:00,879
that's a permanent change. We could do a

6098
04:34:58,639 --> 04:35:03,359
limited term where it's for a two-year

6099
04:35:00,879 --> 04:35:05,199
period and that would give us the

6100
04:35:03,359 --> 04:35:06,240
opportunity to then re-evaluate at the

6101
04:35:05,199 --> 04:35:07,760
end of that two-year period.

6102
04:35:06,240 --> 04:35:09,520
» My only concern is if it's like we have

6103
04:35:07,760 --> 04:35:11,520
a part-time person, it's as an existing

6104
04:35:09,520 --> 04:35:12,879
part-time coordinator. If that person

6105
04:35:11,520 --> 04:35:15,520
has the expectation that they're now

6106
04:35:12,879 --> 04:35:18,000
full-time, I I almost feel like it's an

6107
04:35:15,520 --> 04:35:19,279
uh like an unfair teaser to say, well,

6108
04:35:18,000 --> 04:35:20,799
for two years if you'll do it, it's

6109
04:35:19,279 --> 04:35:22,160
full-time. So, stop whatever else you're

6110
04:35:20,799 --> 04:35:25,279
doing to help you, you know, make a

6111
04:35:22,160 --> 04:35:26,639
living. And then we're in two years we

6112
04:35:25,279 --> 04:35:28,160
come up with a completely different

6113
04:35:26,639 --> 04:35:30,639
restructure. and then that person no

6114
04:35:28,160 --> 04:35:33,279
longer has their full-time job. I would

6115
04:35:30,639 --> 04:35:35,119
that seems I mean unless that individual

6116
04:35:33,279 --> 04:35:36,719
and the director knows that that

6117
04:35:35,119 --> 04:35:38,400
individual like no I would love the

6118
04:35:36,719 --> 04:35:41,039
opportunity to work only for two years

6119
04:35:38,400 --> 04:35:42,639
full-time. Uh but I just I I can imagine

6120
04:35:41,039 --> 04:35:44,879
if I was that person that would be very

6121
04:35:42,639 --> 04:35:46,080
confusing for me. So that's my that's my

6122
04:35:44,879 --> 04:35:46,799
only concern with approving the

6123
04:35:46,080 --> 04:35:49,840
employment.

6124
04:35:46,799 --> 04:35:52,080
» Well and and I I agree with that. I mean

6125
04:35:49,840 --> 04:35:54,959
I guess I would just I would go back to

6126
04:35:52,080 --> 04:35:58,320
what I suggested initially which is do

6127
04:35:54,959 --> 04:36:01,279
the second one. Um, I think it's it's

6128
04:35:58,320 --> 04:36:05,680
hard to do force planning on the fly

6129
04:36:01,279 --> 04:36:08,719
just like it is. And I wonder whether,

6130
04:36:05,680 --> 04:36:12,959
you know, as a function of how we choose

6131
04:36:08,719 --> 04:36:16,561
to deal with outside organizations that

6132
04:36:12,959 --> 04:36:18,480
the director may have a sense that, oh,

6133
04:36:16,561 --> 04:36:21,520
you know, one FTE is not going to be

6134
04:36:18,480 --> 04:36:25,520
enough or maybe it's going to be 1.5 or

6135
04:36:21,520 --> 04:36:27,840
some or or god forbid less. I I would

6136
04:36:25,520 --> 04:36:30,080
hate to push you into that position and

6137
04:36:27,840 --> 04:36:33,680
then have to re

6138
04:36:30,080 --> 04:36:35,279
uh discuss it later. Um because we don't

6139
04:36:33,680 --> 04:36:36,959
have to make that decision today. I

6140
04:36:35,279 --> 04:36:38,879
think it's better to have all the

6141
04:36:36,959 --> 04:36:39,840
information

6142
04:36:38,879 --> 04:36:41,359
with us at once.

6143
04:36:39,840 --> 04:36:43,039
» Yes, me.

6144
04:36:41,359 --> 04:36:45,439
» Yeah, I really quite like the idea of

6145
04:36:43,039 --> 04:36:48,799
having like all events under an umbrella

6146
04:36:45,439 --> 04:36:50,879
to evaluate it. Um,

6147
04:36:48,799 --> 04:36:53,920
and the other thing I wanted to say is

6148
04:36:50,879 --> 04:36:56,320
my initial question about, you know, are

6149
04:36:53,920 --> 04:36:58,879
boards and commissions aware of our

6150
04:36:56,320 --> 04:37:01,600
budgetary constraints was by no mean

6151
04:36:58,879 --> 04:37:03,520
directed specifically at this board. You

6152
04:37:01,600 --> 04:37:04,959
guys just happen to be the first ones.

6153
04:37:03,520 --> 04:37:07,760
Uh, but I just wanted to ask the

6154
04:37:04,959 --> 04:37:09,760
question upfront and really apply that

6155
04:37:07,760 --> 04:37:12,160
to to all the boards and commissions

6156
04:37:09,760 --> 04:37:14,480
just so so we can understand what their

6157
04:37:12,160 --> 04:37:19,160
expectations were when they submitted

6158
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:19,160
all of these requests. So

6159
04:37:20,080 --> 04:37:24,639
» Um

6160
04:37:22,879 --> 04:37:28,000
consensus

6161
04:37:24,639 --> 04:37:31,359
how I mean are you comfortable with I

6162
04:37:28,000 --> 04:37:32,959
mean it sounds like it's some of us

6163
04:37:31,359 --> 04:37:34,719
interested in

6164
04:37:32,959 --> 04:37:36,879
» Mayor if I may please

6165
04:37:34,719 --> 04:37:38,320
» I heard that we want to follow up on the

6166
04:37:36,879 --> 04:37:42,680
larger picture and we want to follow up

6167
04:37:38,320 --> 04:37:42,680
on potentially funding with one time

6168
04:37:46,639 --> 04:37:49,920
Yeah, go ahead. Ju

6169
04:37:47,760 --> 04:37:51,439
» Just pushing off the whole decision for

6170
04:37:49,920 --> 04:37:52,799
later.

6171
04:37:51,439 --> 04:37:54,480
» That's what I heard. I thought I heard

6172
04:37:52,799 --> 04:37:55,920
fund with one time and then follow up on

6173
04:37:54,480 --> 04:37:57,279
big picture, but I there was a lot of

6174
04:37:55,920 --> 04:37:58,080
waffling on that.

6175
04:37:57,279 --> 04:38:00,719
» Okay.

6176
04:37:58,080 --> 04:38:02,959
» I was in favor. I like the idea of at a

6177
04:38:00,719 --> 04:38:05,199
minimum the event inflation for the next

6178
04:38:02,959 --> 04:38:08,400
two years. So that that said so the

6179
04:38:05,199 --> 04:38:10,719
plans can get so the plans can get made.

6180
04:38:08,400 --> 04:38:12,400
Um, my only concern was saying yes for

6181
04:38:10,719 --> 04:38:14,160
the next two years from from an employee

6182
04:38:12,400 --> 04:38:15,840
perspective was converting somebody from

6183
04:38:14,160 --> 04:38:17,199
a part-time position into a full-time.

6184
04:38:15,840 --> 04:38:19,119
That's a that's a bigger thing. So, I

6185
04:38:17,199 --> 04:38:20,561
mean, if I would be in favor of a second

6186
04:38:19,119 --> 04:38:22,160
part-time person because that's a much

6187
04:38:20,561 --> 04:38:25,359
easier thing to do just for a two-year

6188
04:38:22,160 --> 04:38:28,160
cycle. Um, and then over the next year

6189
04:38:25,359 --> 04:38:30,160
or so, mayor, have the big like this

6190
04:38:28,160 --> 04:38:31,760
year rather, have the big conversation

6191
04:38:30,160 --> 04:38:34,400
about all of these events. I thought

6192
04:38:31,760 --> 04:38:37,039
that's what we would do, but let's fund

6193
04:38:34,400 --> 04:38:38,879
these the second line item definitely

6194
04:38:37,039 --> 04:38:41,520
perhaps even a part-time person which is

6195
04:38:38,879 --> 04:38:43,920
the first one just for now so that

6196
04:38:41,520 --> 04:38:44,879
director Cummings can make plans and

6197
04:38:43,920 --> 04:38:46,799
move forward. Yeah,

6198
04:38:44,879 --> 04:38:48,879
» I' I'd recommend funding both and then

6199
04:38:46,799 --> 04:38:50,959
as staff we're happy to work with HR and

6200
04:38:48,879 --> 04:38:52,719
Director Cummings on the best way to do

6201
04:38:50,959 --> 04:38:53,199
that position keeping in mind the HR

6202
04:38:52,719 --> 04:38:56,000
concerns.

6203
04:38:53,199 --> 04:38:59,840
» Yeah, and I was what I was referring to

6204
04:38:56,000 --> 04:39:02,480
is not th kicking that can way down the

6205
04:38:59,840 --> 04:39:04,240
road. It was just that maybe when you're

6206
04:39:02,480 --> 04:39:06,561
coming back with some of these other

6207
04:39:04,240 --> 04:39:08,561
things within this

6208
04:39:06,561 --> 04:39:11,920
budget development that we deal with it.

6209
04:39:08,561 --> 04:39:13,920
But I'm I you know I'm I'm fine. I would

6210
04:39:11,920 --> 04:39:18,160
like to hear from the director if she's

6211
04:39:13,920 --> 04:39:22,080
comfortable with that way of proceeding

6212
04:39:18,160 --> 04:39:24,719
uh whether there's some cost to it. I'm

6213
04:39:22,080 --> 04:39:28,240
not trying to screw up. The last thing

6214
04:39:24,719 --> 04:39:31,039
is screwing up your own planning and

6215
04:39:28,240 --> 04:39:33,359
budgeting. That's not my interest. It's

6216
04:39:31,039 --> 04:39:35,039
it's efficiency.

6217
04:39:33,359 --> 04:39:37,280
» No, I think much like deputy city

6218
04:39:35,039 --> 04:39:39,760
manager said, we with a one-time

6219
04:39:37,280 --> 04:39:42,560
allocation for both the first and the

6220
04:39:39,760 --> 04:39:45,360
second um we could work within our city

6221
04:39:42,560 --> 04:39:47,520
processes and with HR to determine how

6222
04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:48,958
that additional whether it's turning

6223
04:39:47,520 --> 04:39:51,200
someone full-time or additional

6224
04:39:48,958 --> 04:39:53,520
part-time coordinator um position would

6225
04:39:51,200 --> 04:39:54,560
work best with our own policy and

6226
04:39:53,520 --> 04:39:58,000
practice.

6227
04:39:54,560 --> 04:39:59,760
» Okay, fair enough. Thank you. Um so with

6228
04:39:58,000 --> 04:40:01,840
that

6229
04:39:59,760 --> 04:40:04,480
is there consensus for the two first

6230
04:40:01,840 --> 04:40:07,520
two. All right. Good.

6231
04:40:04,480 --> 04:40:10,560
» All right. Direction received and

6232
04:40:07,520 --> 04:40:13,920
process. Go ahead.

6233
04:40:10,560 --> 04:40:17,040
Continuing on. We have four more boards.

6234
04:40:13,920 --> 04:40:19,600
Uh we have 20 minutes. So I just want to

6235
04:40:17,040 --> 04:40:21,680
put that in perspective. And if uh if

6236
04:40:19,600 --> 04:40:23,920
some of this leaks to a future meeting

6237
04:40:21,680 --> 04:40:24,878
uh you just you just let us know. I

6238
04:40:23,920 --> 04:40:26,080
don't want to rush you, but I just want

6239
04:40:24,878 --> 04:40:29,040
you to know how much time we have left.

6240
04:40:26,080 --> 04:40:30,878
» Just use nouns and verbs. [laughter]

6241
04:40:29,040 --> 04:40:33,040
» So, in the interest of time, I'll cover

6242
04:40:30,878 --> 04:40:34,480
elab here. This board was aware of our

6243
04:40:33,040 --> 04:40:36,320
financial situation, and I think they

6244
04:40:34,480 --> 04:40:38,638
were very thoughtful in their requests.

6245
04:40:36,320 --> 04:40:40,320
Their first request was to add grants to

6246
04:40:38,638 --> 04:40:42,000
the sustainable neighborhood networks.

6247
04:40:40,320 --> 04:40:43,440
This is a service level reduction that

6248
04:40:42,000 --> 04:40:46,718
council has given us direction to

6249
04:40:43,440 --> 04:40:48,718
pursue. Um, water conservation programs

6250
04:40:46,718 --> 04:40:51,120
in commercial and both residential were

6251
04:40:48,718 --> 04:40:53,040
items they were looking at. We do know

6252
04:40:51,120 --> 04:40:54,718
that public works and utilities is doing

6253
04:40:53,040 --> 04:40:57,520
some water conservation programming. So

6254
04:40:54,718 --> 04:40:59,200
there might be some work there. Um

6255
04:40:57,520 --> 04:41:01,600
sustainability specialists and volunteer

6256
04:40:59,200 --> 04:41:03,200
recruitment. They wanted this both for

6257
04:41:01,600 --> 04:41:04,958
support of the sustainability programs

6258
04:41:03,200 --> 04:41:06,958
and for that volunteer coordination need

6259
04:41:04,958 --> 04:41:09,920
which we heard as a follow-up item that

6260
04:41:06,958 --> 04:41:11,360
council has been interested in. And then

6261
04:41:09,920 --> 04:41:13,520
that is it. I was going to start into

6262
04:41:11,360 --> 04:41:17,160
Ozap.

6263
04:41:13,520 --> 04:41:17,160
» Thoughts from council.

6264
04:41:20,958 --> 04:41:26,320
the the first three strike me as fairly

6265
04:41:24,320 --> 04:41:30,160
small ticket items. That doesn't mean we

6266
04:41:26,320 --> 04:41:32,718
should be approving them or not, but I

6267
04:41:30,160 --> 04:41:35,600
they are relatively small. The the the

6268
04:41:32,718 --> 04:41:37,680
fourth I'm mindful that

6269
04:41:35,600 --> 04:41:39,760
there is

6270
04:41:37,680 --> 04:41:42,958
there were a lot of discussion among

6271
04:41:39,760 --> 04:41:45,120
staff about positions. We had a

6272
04:41:42,958 --> 04:41:49,360
discussion on council about how many

6273
04:41:45,120 --> 04:41:53,840
more FTEEs or even part-time positions

6274
04:41:49,360 --> 04:41:56,958
we add and I I guess I'm based on an

6275
04:41:53,840 --> 04:41:58,638
ELSAB request and I think ELSAB is I

6276
04:41:56,958 --> 04:42:02,718
mean I appreciate they're suggesting

6277
04:41:58,638 --> 04:42:06,000
this. I just would kind of expect that

6278
04:42:02,718 --> 04:42:08,480
that would have been already in the

6279
04:42:06,000 --> 04:42:13,520
suggestions by staff if it were a

6280
04:42:08,480 --> 04:42:17,120
priority. Um, and so I I think that one

6281
04:42:13,520 --> 04:42:20,718
I would be uh certainly would want to

6282
04:42:17,120 --> 04:42:23,600
just take off our further consideration

6283
04:42:20,718 --> 04:42:25,280
» Today.

6284
04:42:23,600 --> 04:42:26,798
» The others we could talk about if you

6285
04:42:25,280 --> 04:42:30,680
want.

6286
04:42:26,798 --> 04:42:30,680
» I agree with your reasoning.

6287
04:42:32,958 --> 04:42:38,798
Other council comments about these three

6288
04:42:35,040 --> 04:42:42,560
or are they worth if I mean is there

6289
04:42:38,798 --> 04:42:45,680
consensus to take off the sustainability

6290
04:42:42,560 --> 04:42:48,080
uh specialist as a additional request

6291
04:42:45,680 --> 04:42:50,160
for funds?

6292
04:42:48,080 --> 04:42:52,480
Yeah, me rep member Tim.

6293
04:42:50,160 --> 04:42:55,360
» I feel like uh

6294
04:42:52,480 --> 04:42:57,440
Sam's presentation to me the way I

6295
04:42:55,360 --> 04:43:00,638
interpreted it as we already made a

6296
04:42:57,440 --> 04:43:04,080
decision on the top row line item. Um

6297
04:43:00,638 --> 04:43:05,760
the next two are can be encompassed in

6298
04:43:04,080 --> 04:43:07,840
some capacity with some of the work that

6299
04:43:05,760 --> 04:43:09,440
Kurt and his team is doing. I think you

6300
04:43:07,840 --> 04:43:12,080
made great points about the part-time

6301
04:43:09,440 --> 04:43:14,718
position. So for me at this point in

6302
04:43:12,080 --> 04:43:17,600
time I don't see the need to to

6303
04:43:14,718 --> 04:43:19,680
designate funds for these particular

6304
04:43:17,600 --> 04:43:21,200
items

6305
04:43:19,680 --> 04:43:22,320
» And I agree with that other

6306
04:43:21,200 --> 04:43:25,360
» I agree.

6307
04:43:22,320 --> 04:43:28,320
» All right we can move on.

6308
04:43:25,360 --> 04:43:30,320
» Moving on to our third advisory board.

6309
04:43:28,320 --> 04:43:32,000
This is open space advisory board.

6310
04:43:30,320 --> 04:43:33,920
Within this one you'll note on the far

6311
04:43:32,000 --> 04:43:35,920
right many of these are included in the

6312
04:43:33,920 --> 04:43:38,080
existing model. With that, I will turn

6313
04:43:35,920 --> 04:43:39,360
it over to Adam or to council if you

6314
04:43:38,080 --> 04:43:41,920
have any questions for director

6315
04:43:39,360 --> 04:43:46,000
Blackmore.

6316
04:43:41,920 --> 04:43:47,840
» I'll go first. Uh, so to Mayor Pro Tim's

6317
04:43:46,000 --> 04:43:49,600
question earlier, the reason why you do

6318
04:43:47,840 --> 04:43:51,360
see a lot of yeses on this, number one,

6319
04:43:49,600 --> 04:43:55,680
we appreciate the support and saying

6320
04:43:51,360 --> 04:43:59,520
yes, but we also align our CIP request

6321
04:43:55,680 --> 04:44:01,360
process internally with OSAB's review.

6322
04:43:59,520 --> 04:44:03,680
So a number of these are put forward in

6323
04:44:01,360 --> 04:44:06,400
a memo as a level of support for what

6324
04:44:03,680 --> 04:44:08,878
staff is already submitting for

6325
04:44:06,400 --> 04:44:10,638
consideration. So that's why you may see

6326
04:44:08,878 --> 04:44:13,360
an inordinate inordinate amount of

6327
04:44:10,638 --> 04:44:15,440
yeses. It's not just because open space

6328
04:44:13,360 --> 04:44:17,760
is the greatest. There is a process that

6329
04:44:15,440 --> 04:44:21,280
leads to an alignment with staff's

6330
04:44:17,760 --> 04:44:23,920
request and OABS. Um so you've seen all

6331
04:44:21,280 --> 04:44:26,878
of the yeses as we've gone through uh

6332
04:44:23,920 --> 04:44:30,560
the um capital plan as a component of

6333
04:44:26,878 --> 04:44:31,920
the open space fund review. Um the nose

6334
04:44:30,560 --> 04:44:35,040
on here, there are a couple staff

6335
04:44:31,920 --> 04:44:37,600
positions. Again, uh the project manager

6336
04:44:35,040 --> 04:44:39,440
position um isn't currently in the model

6337
04:44:37,600 --> 04:44:42,080
because it is in some of those duties

6338
04:44:39,440 --> 04:44:45,440
are incorporated into the deputy model.

6339
04:44:42,080 --> 04:44:48,958
Um and the ranger naturalist was a

6340
04:44:45,440 --> 04:44:52,638
potential push out to a 2028 or a 2029

6341
04:44:48,958 --> 04:44:55,760
request as we expand our trail mileage.

6342
04:44:52,638 --> 04:44:59,360
So, it's kind of tied to um the need for

6343
04:44:55,760 --> 04:45:01,200
additional rangers um with increased uh

6344
04:44:59,360 --> 04:45:04,160
trail inventory that we currently don't

6345
04:45:01,200 --> 04:45:07,520
have. Um you see the natural resource

6346
04:45:04,160 --> 04:45:10,240
technician as mentioned is a yes. Um the

6347
04:45:07,520 --> 04:45:13,200
other no was just a prioritization of

6348
04:45:10,240 --> 04:45:15,120
where to allocate uh potential future

6349
04:45:13,200 --> 04:45:18,400
trail money to and the community

6350
04:45:15,120 --> 04:45:20,240
connections went over as a priority um

6351
04:45:18,400 --> 04:45:22,958
in in our mind and in discussions with

6352
04:45:20,240 --> 04:45:25,440
OSAB over some of the regional trail

6353
04:45:22,958 --> 04:45:28,240
cost that comes along with this and as

6354
04:45:25,440 --> 04:45:29,760
dire city manager Langley discussed um

6355
04:45:28,240 --> 04:45:31,520
there's still a further evaluation

6356
04:45:29,760 --> 04:45:33,760
needed for the volunteer and education

6357
04:45:31,520 --> 04:45:38,320
coordinator positions. So, that's a

6358
04:45:33,760 --> 04:45:41,120
recap of where we got to with OSAD.

6359
04:45:38,320 --> 04:45:44,240
» Are um well, first, are there any

6360
04:45:41,120 --> 04:45:47,760
council questions? And second, if there

6361
04:45:44,240 --> 04:45:50,560
aren't, are council members comfortable

6362
04:45:47,760 --> 04:45:53,760
with the um priorities that have already

6363
04:45:50,560 --> 04:45:56,798
been set and discussed previously or or

6364
04:45:53,760 --> 04:45:59,440
at least by implication and not adding

6365
04:45:56,798 --> 04:46:01,040
these. Go ahead, Council Member.

6366
04:45:59,440 --> 04:46:03,520
» Great. Thanks. Um, actually appreciate

6367
04:46:01,040 --> 04:46:05,760
that you guys coordinated with the board

6368
04:46:03,520 --> 04:46:08,160
with a lot of this. It it it actually

6369
04:46:05,760 --> 04:46:10,000
really helps with the process. Um, I was

6370
04:46:08,160 --> 04:46:11,920
curious about it's new trails,

6371
04:46:10,000 --> 04:46:14,560
neighborhood connections is part of the

6372
04:46:11,920 --> 04:46:16,560
225,000 we're asking for, but new trails

6373
04:46:14,560 --> 04:46:19,680
and it says safety, access, and road

6374
04:46:16,560 --> 04:46:21,760
improvements. Um, what the safety and

6375
04:46:19,680 --> 04:46:23,680
access seems like a high priority with

6376
04:46:21,760 --> 04:46:24,878
new trails. I'm I'm just not

6377
04:46:23,680 --> 04:46:27,520
understanding how that's not already

6378
04:46:24,878 --> 04:46:30,000
built into that.

6379
04:46:27,520 --> 04:46:33,040
That's um that didn't move forward

6380
04:46:30,000 --> 04:46:35,200
because it's not a OSAP purview. It's

6381
04:46:33,040 --> 04:46:36,878
not an open space purview to discuss

6382
04:46:35,200 --> 04:46:38,958
crosswalks and that kind of thing. So,

6383
04:46:36,878 --> 04:46:40,240
as a recommended use of open space

6384
04:46:38,958 --> 04:46:40,878
funds, that wouldn't be something that

6385
04:46:40,240 --> 04:46:42,480
we would

6386
04:46:40,878 --> 04:46:44,160
» That's what that means.

6387
04:46:42,480 --> 04:46:45,520
» Oh, that's why I was I would just I had

6388
04:46:44,160 --> 04:46:46,160
no idea what it meant that that meant

6389
04:46:45,520 --> 04:46:47,600
crosswalk.

6390
04:46:46,160 --> 04:46:49,200
» It's a component of the trail system,

6391
04:46:47,600 --> 04:46:50,320
but it wouldn't be under the purview of

6392
04:46:49,200 --> 04:46:52,000
OSAP to provide

6393
04:46:50,320 --> 04:46:53,200
» It's where public works has already like

6394
04:46:52,000 --> 04:46:55,120
they a lot of intersections where

6395
04:46:53,200 --> 04:46:58,160
they've already improvement.

6396
04:46:55,120 --> 04:46:58,160
» Okay. Thank you.

6397
04:47:30,160 --> 04:47:33,600
Wonderful. Uh, keeping Director

6398
04:47:31,920 --> 04:47:36,174
Blackmore in the hot seat, we have the

6399
04:47:33,600 --> 04:47:36,320
Recreation Advisory Board requests.

6400
04:47:36,174 --> 04:47:38,240
» [snorts]

6401
04:47:36,320 --> 04:47:41,280
» Okay, so this is the wreck advisory

6402
04:47:38,240 --> 04:47:42,798
board. Um, again, same kind of a process

6403
04:47:41,280 --> 04:47:44,240
uh with this particular board that we

6404
04:47:42,798 --> 04:47:45,760
just mentioned with the open space

6405
04:47:44,240 --> 04:47:48,798
advisory board. So, we take a look at

6406
04:47:45,760 --> 04:47:52,400
the uh previous six-year CIP and kind of

6407
04:47:48,798 --> 04:47:55,840
build out the next six-year CIP. um RAB

6408
04:47:52,400 --> 04:47:59,200
um has been more inclined to provide

6409
04:47:55,840 --> 04:48:03,920
recommended projects in their memo to

6410
04:47:59,200 --> 04:48:07,520
bring awareness to a desire of future um

6411
04:48:03,920 --> 04:48:09,920
future desires, if you will, versus

6412
04:48:07,520 --> 04:48:12,718
immediate approval. Um hence, you know,

6413
04:48:09,920 --> 04:48:15,040
the $7 million for soccer and multi-use

6414
04:48:12,718 --> 04:48:17,280
fields is meant to illustrate that um

6415
04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:18,560
that's a high priority for them as

6416
04:48:17,280 --> 04:48:23,920
future development and future

6417
04:48:18,560 --> 04:48:26,878
infrastructure needs. Um we did fund

6418
04:48:23,920 --> 04:48:28,718
until recently a couple of these. Um the

6419
04:48:26,878 --> 04:48:31,360
clubhouse pre-esign as you can see was

6420
04:48:28,718 --> 04:48:33,360
originally in the model. Um per the

6421
04:48:31,360 --> 04:48:36,878
direction today that'll be removed from

6422
04:48:33,360 --> 04:48:40,080
the model. Uh we have included um per

6423
04:48:36,878 --> 04:48:43,280
the discussion and then the um confirmed

6424
04:48:40,080 --> 04:48:46,480
support from RAB the potential for a

6425
04:48:43,280 --> 04:48:48,320
puck and stick court of some sort to uh

6426
04:48:46,480 --> 04:48:50,400
replace the inline rink that's being

6427
04:48:48,320 --> 04:48:52,320
converted to pickle ball. um that's

6428
04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:54,958
built into the model and put into the

6429
04:48:52,320 --> 04:48:57,280
2028 budget uh with a placeholder for

6430
04:48:54,958 --> 04:48:58,798
funding. Um still to be determined that

6431
04:48:57,280 --> 04:49:02,560
location that would be a component of

6432
04:48:58,798 --> 04:49:05,120
that project. Um and then city manager

6433
04:49:02,560 --> 04:49:08,160
Langley touched on the water rights uh

6434
04:49:05,120 --> 04:49:10,000
item for Cole Creek golf course. Um

6435
04:49:08,160 --> 04:49:12,160
we've elected at this point in time not

6436
04:49:10,000 --> 04:49:13,760
to include funding for site plan review

6437
04:49:12,160 --> 04:49:17,280
of the park parcel at Red Tail Ridge.

6438
04:49:13,760 --> 04:49:19,760
That'll be a future budget ask um with

6439
04:49:17,280 --> 04:49:22,878
some level of alignment to the long

6440
04:49:19,760 --> 04:49:25,280
range plans desires from the community.

6441
04:49:22,878 --> 04:49:27,200
And the Centennial Park tennis courts,

6442
04:49:25,280 --> 04:49:28,560
two new courts, again, that's just not a

6443
04:49:27,200 --> 04:49:31,360
cost that we're able to bear in the

6444
04:49:28,560 --> 04:49:33,280
funds at this moment and um will be

6445
04:49:31,360 --> 04:49:34,798
considered in future expansion again

6446
04:49:33,280 --> 04:49:38,280
based on community feedback from the

6447
04:49:34,798 --> 04:49:38,280
long-range plan.

6448
04:50:10,480 --> 04:50:13,280
I'm not sure I understood what you just

6449
04:50:12,798 --> 04:50:16,000
said.

6450
04:50:13,280 --> 04:50:18,560
» Well, there's clubhouse pre-esign that's

6451
04:50:16,000 --> 04:50:20,638
coming off the list and I thought water

6452
04:50:18,560 --> 04:50:22,000
rights were off the list, too. Is that

6453
04:50:20,638 --> 04:50:23,760
not right?

6454
04:50:22,000 --> 04:50:25,120
» Water rights are listed already in an

6455
04:50:23,760 --> 04:50:25,520
unfunded

6456
04:50:25,120 --> 04:50:27,440
» Okay.

6457
04:50:25,520 --> 04:50:29,440
» List. The only one that was funded

6458
04:50:27,440 --> 04:50:31,440
initially in the model that we've been

6459
04:50:29,440 --> 04:50:32,798
asked to take off today is the clubhouse

6460
04:50:31,440 --> 04:50:34,560
pre-esign.

6461
04:50:32,798 --> 04:50:38,958
» Okay.

6462
04:50:34,560 --> 04:50:41,440
All right. At any rate,

6463
04:50:38,958 --> 04:50:43,120
what are thoughts about adding any of

6464
04:50:41,440 --> 04:50:46,000
these

6465
04:50:43,120 --> 04:50:47,920
um that are already not already

6466
04:50:46,000 --> 04:50:49,440
in

6467
04:50:47,920 --> 04:50:52,638
um

6468
04:50:49,440 --> 04:50:54,320
I guess yeses in the final?

6469
04:50:52,638 --> 04:50:56,638
Well,

6470
04:50:54,320 --> 04:50:59,440
is there any interest in adding any of

6471
04:50:56,638 --> 04:51:02,080
the ones that are not already baked into

6472
04:50:59,440 --> 04:51:05,560
the draft or but baked into the requests

6473
04:51:02,080 --> 04:51:05,560
that you've made,

6474
04:51:05,760 --> 04:51:10,560
» Council member current?

6475
04:51:06,878 --> 04:51:12,160
» So, I I don't I I have an interest, but

6476
04:51:10,560 --> 04:51:14,718
I want to clarify. I don't believe

6477
04:51:12,160 --> 04:51:17,440
there's the budget. We've heard for

6478
04:51:14,718 --> 04:51:19,200
years now the request for the tennis

6479
04:51:17,440 --> 04:51:21,440
courts and I think it was the number one

6480
04:51:19,200 --> 04:51:24,240
priority from the rec advisory board

6481
04:51:21,440 --> 04:51:26,000
when we met with them um was to be able

6482
04:51:24,240 --> 04:51:28,560
to move that forward.

6483
04:51:26,000 --> 04:51:30,480
Uh I would love if there was a way and

6484
04:51:28,560 --> 04:51:32,160
we found the funding through capital

6485
04:51:30,480 --> 04:51:35,760
improvements to do this because I

6486
04:51:32,160 --> 04:51:37,760
recognize the community's need and the

6487
04:51:35,760 --> 04:51:40,160
uh the board's request repeatedly for

6488
04:51:37,760 --> 04:51:41,840
this pro and it the fact that um they

6489
04:51:40,160 --> 04:51:43,600
have presented and I think this would be

6490
04:51:41,840 --> 04:51:45,840
correct director Blackmore that the

6491
04:51:43,600 --> 04:51:48,878
tennis courts could produce revenue for

6492
04:51:45,840 --> 04:51:51,280
the city if used for the tennis

6493
04:51:48,878 --> 04:51:54,160
association.

6494
04:51:51,280 --> 04:51:56,560
» They would potentially. Yeah. I I also

6495
04:51:54,160 --> 04:52:00,080
would guess just for your reference that

6496
04:51:56,560 --> 04:52:01,840
that 1.5 million is a low estimate based

6497
04:52:00,080 --> 04:52:03,200
on um some of the earthwork and the

6498
04:52:01,840 --> 04:52:05,680
grading that we think we would need to

6499
04:52:03,200 --> 04:52:07,520
do out there to add these. So it's also

6500
04:52:05,680 --> 04:52:09,680
not in there because I think it needs a

6501
04:52:07,520 --> 04:52:10,560
deeper dive into the actual cost

6502
04:52:09,680 --> 04:52:12,638
projection.

6503
04:52:10,560 --> 04:52:14,240
» Okay. Yeah. So that I just wanted to say

6504
04:52:12,638 --> 04:52:15,600
there's not lack of interest. I just

6505
04:52:14,240 --> 04:52:16,000
realize there's lack of funding. Thank

6506
04:52:15,600 --> 04:52:17,520
you.

6507
04:52:16,000 --> 04:52:20,160
» Yeah. Yeah. And I I would just also note

6508
04:52:17,520 --> 04:52:21,600
really quick that um if the desire is

6509
04:52:20,160 --> 04:52:22,958
for more tennis courts, that'll be

6510
04:52:21,600 --> 04:52:25,120
reflected in the longrange plan and

6511
04:52:22,958 --> 04:52:27,200
could be incorporated into future park

6512
04:52:25,120 --> 04:52:31,638
site development that may be a little

6513
04:52:27,200 --> 04:52:31,638
more efficient with the construction.

6514
04:52:31,680 --> 04:52:38,160
» Okay. Um it sounds like we have a

6515
04:52:35,440 --> 04:52:43,360
consensus not to add

6516
04:52:38,160 --> 04:52:46,160
um further based on their requests.

6517
04:52:43,360 --> 04:52:48,240
Okay. Next,

6518
04:52:46,160 --> 04:52:50,560
» Our final board request is the

6519
04:52:48,240 --> 04:52:52,638
Historical Museum Advisory Board. It's

6520
04:52:50,560 --> 04:52:54,878
on the screen now. There's some uh

6521
04:52:52,638 --> 04:52:57,440
potential impacts with the uh outcome of

6522
04:52:54,878 --> 04:52:59,520
the tax, but for additional color, I'll

6523
04:52:57,440 --> 04:53:01,040
turn it over to Director Cummings.

6524
04:52:59,520 --> 04:53:04,240
» Director Blackmore and I closing you

6525
04:53:01,040 --> 04:53:05,920
guys out today. Um so HMAB also had

6526
04:53:04,240 --> 04:53:08,958
submitted a request this year looking

6527
04:53:05,920 --> 04:53:10,798
for staffing support um this last year

6528
04:53:08,958 --> 04:53:12,798
and actually every year for the last

6529
04:53:10,798 --> 04:53:16,320
five years the museum's associates have

6530
04:53:12,798 --> 04:53:19,360
seen 100% turnover year after year which

6531
04:53:16,320 --> 04:53:20,878
brings some continuity issues um both in

6532
04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:22,160
supporting the community and doing in

6533
04:53:20,878 --> 04:53:24,080
our work to support historic

6534
04:53:22,160 --> 04:53:25,920
preservation. So, the ask was to

6535
04:53:24,080 --> 04:53:28,240
increase one of our part-time positions

6536
04:53:25,920 --> 04:53:31,040
to full-time to again retain some of our

6537
04:53:28,240 --> 04:53:34,798
local talent or to add one additional

6538
04:53:31,040 --> 04:53:36,878
full-time position um to to the team.

6539
04:53:34,798 --> 04:53:39,040
Should the historic preservation tax

6540
04:53:36,878 --> 04:53:41,120
pass, this could be covered by that.

6541
04:53:39,040 --> 04:53:42,878
Should it not, HMAB would still love to

6542
04:53:41,120 --> 04:53:45,200
see if council has appetite for

6543
04:53:42,878 --> 04:53:47,040
supporting that staffing increase. Um

6544
04:53:45,200 --> 04:53:50,878
we've talked at length about storage

6545
04:53:47,040 --> 04:53:52,798
offsite. Again, um with the historic

6546
04:53:50,878 --> 04:53:55,120
preservation tax, there's opportunity to

6547
04:53:52,798 --> 04:53:58,000
offset some of that increasing inflation

6548
04:53:55,120 --> 04:54:00,160
costs to museum operations. And then

6549
04:53:58,000 --> 04:54:02,320
much like our friends at RAB, um the

6550
04:54:00,160 --> 04:54:04,400
staff workspaces and offices and program

6551
04:54:02,320 --> 04:54:07,360
event space are more of an aspirational

6552
04:54:04,400 --> 04:54:09,840
awareness recognizing that in the 2017

6553
04:54:07,360 --> 04:54:11,600
museum expansion plan, um there was a

6554
04:54:09,840 --> 04:54:13,920
great desire from the community to see

6555
04:54:11,600 --> 04:54:16,240
more spaces available for programming

6556
04:54:13,920 --> 04:54:19,600
for our historical preservation museum

6557
04:54:16,240 --> 04:54:22,920
and those programs together.

6558
04:54:19,600 --> 04:54:22,920
» Any questions?

6559
04:54:25,760 --> 04:54:31,600
It would appear that the first two are

6560
04:54:29,680 --> 04:54:34,718
um maybe

6561
04:54:31,600 --> 04:54:37,680
um sort of premature to include in the

6562
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:41,440
budget. Um we could include it in the

6563
04:54:37,680 --> 04:54:45,280
budget right now, but we maybe need not.

6564
04:54:41,440 --> 04:54:47,040
Is there a particular cost to uh the

6565
04:54:45,280 --> 04:54:51,280
operations

6566
04:54:47,040 --> 04:54:55,440
if we don't include those before the tax

6567
04:54:51,280 --> 04:54:57,280
passes? Um, no, not if there's no

6568
04:54:55,440 --> 04:54:59,680
additional like service level reduction

6569
04:54:57,280 --> 04:55:01,360
that happens should the tax pass. Should

6570
04:54:59,680 --> 04:55:03,840
the tax not pass, we come back to

6571
04:55:01,360 --> 04:55:05,600
service level reduction conversation. So

6572
04:55:03,840 --> 04:55:07,360
right now that directly impacts our

6573
04:55:05,600 --> 04:55:11,320
public education and programming that

6574
04:55:07,360 --> 04:55:11,320
would be greatly reduced.

6575
04:55:12,638 --> 04:55:20,718
So, I guess my proposal on this would be

6576
04:55:15,200 --> 04:55:23,120
to without um passing judgment on the

6577
04:55:20,718 --> 04:55:25,200
first two, maybe even expressing an

6578
04:55:23,120 --> 04:55:30,878
interest in those, we wait until the

6579
04:55:25,200 --> 04:55:36,000
historic uh preservation tax uh result

6580
04:55:30,878 --> 04:55:37,840
and then address the these two and then

6581
04:55:36,000 --> 04:55:40,560
otherwise

6582
04:55:37,840 --> 04:55:43,560
um leave the other two off.

6583
04:55:40,560 --> 04:55:43,560
Yes.

6584
04:55:46,718 --> 04:55:56,080
» Yeah. Okay. Looks like we've got um

6585
04:55:50,000 --> 04:55:57,600
we've got a consensus on that one. So um

6586
04:55:56,080 --> 04:55:58,718
did we really finish that with four

6587
04:55:57,600 --> 04:56:01,520
minutes to

6588
04:55:58,718 --> 04:56:03,600
» I could I could bring us home now. Again

6589
04:56:01,520 --> 04:56:06,000
our eyes were bigger than our plate for

6590
04:56:03,600 --> 04:56:07,760
the capital improvement plan discussion

6591
04:56:06,000 --> 04:56:09,520
development and priorization. Do you

6592
04:56:07,760 --> 04:56:12,480
have all these materials in the packet?

6593
04:56:09,520 --> 04:56:15,200
Um if so moving forward, why don't we

6594
04:56:12,480 --> 04:56:17,360
hop to next steps, we will jump over the

6595
04:56:15,200 --> 04:56:19,520
capital slides. We will carve out some

6596
04:56:17,360 --> 04:56:22,080
time at the I just connected with the

6597
04:56:19,520 --> 04:56:23,920
clerk the August 11th council meeting so

6598
04:56:22,080 --> 04:56:27,200
we can engage the full city council to

6599
04:56:23,920 --> 04:56:30,000
go through um CIP refinement and

6600
04:56:27,200 --> 04:56:31,600
development. So now between now and then

6601
04:56:30,000 --> 04:56:33,760
you are welcome to go through the

6602
04:56:31,600 --> 04:56:36,400
materials to this packet where every

6603
04:56:33,760 --> 04:56:38,958
capital project is listed hyperl and

6604
04:56:36,400 --> 04:56:40,480
with the the pages and we can really uh

6605
04:56:38,958 --> 04:56:43,120
spend the appropriate amount of time to

6606
04:56:40,480 --> 04:56:45,360
discuss uh the capital plan. Uh beyond

6607
04:56:43,120 --> 04:56:48,160
that meeting on onx August 11th which on

6608
04:56:45,360 --> 04:56:49,120
the slide is date TBD. Um August 20th

6609
04:56:48,160 --> 04:56:50,798
we'll have a finance committee. We'll

6610
04:56:49,120 --> 04:56:52,400
have a recap of all of that work.

6611
04:56:50,798 --> 04:56:53,360
September 1st, we are targeting the city

6612
04:56:52,400 --> 04:56:55,360
manager's recommended budget

6613
04:56:53,360 --> 04:56:57,520
presentation, budget public hearing on

6614
04:56:55,360 --> 04:57:01,120
the third Tuesday of October with

6615
04:56:57,520 --> 04:57:03,200
adoption plan for Monday, November 2nd.

6616
04:57:01,120 --> 04:57:04,878
Um, again, this was a lot of time. I'm

6617
04:57:03,200 --> 04:57:06,240
truly appreciative of all of your

6618
04:57:04,878 --> 04:57:07,680
engagement and energy through this

6619
04:57:06,240 --> 04:57:09,840
process. We'll have some more work to

6620
04:57:07,680 --> 04:57:12,638
do. Um,

6621
04:57:09,840 --> 04:57:16,240
that's everything we had to cover today.

6622
04:57:12,638 --> 04:57:18,638
» Um, anything else that council members

6623
04:57:16,240 --> 04:57:22,320
have questions

6624
04:57:18,638 --> 04:57:24,878
otherwise? All right. I'll just add that

6625
04:57:22,320 --> 04:57:29,280
I really appreciate all of staff again,

6626
04:57:24,878 --> 04:57:32,240
the public um for um thoughts that

6627
04:57:29,280 --> 04:57:35,440
they've provided to us. Um, council

6628
04:57:32,240 --> 04:57:38,080
members, boards, and commissions

6629
04:57:35,440 --> 04:57:42,718
um look forward to the next thing and

6630
04:57:38,080 --> 04:57:44,718
and um really appreciate our everybody's

6631
04:57:42,718 --> 04:57:49,200
working together to hit the budget of

6632
04:57:44,718 --> 04:57:52,160
time that we uh set for this. Um and

6633
04:57:49,200 --> 04:57:53,920
hopefully give uh our W 2

6634
04:57:52,160 --> 04:57:55,920
representatives

6635
04:57:53,920 --> 04:58:01,200
uh time to catch their breath before the

6636
04:57:55,920 --> 04:58:01,680
W 2 meeting tonight. And it's being held

6637
04:58:01,200 --> 04:58:02,160
where?

6638
04:58:01,680 --> 04:58:02,638
» Relish.

6639
04:58:02,160 --> 04:58:03,120
» Relish.

6640
04:58:02,638 --> 04:58:04,320
» Relish.

6641
04:58:03,120 --> 04:58:07,120
» We're going to be at Relish. Not

6642
04:58:04,320 --> 04:58:08,160
» Anybody who's there who's online and

6643
04:58:07,120 --> 04:58:10,000
here or otherwise

6644
04:58:08,160 --> 04:58:10,638
» Grab a bite, grab a drink, and grab a

6645
04:58:10,000 --> 04:58:11,040
meeting.

6646
04:58:10,638 --> 04:58:13,280
» Yeah. [laughter]

6647
04:58:11,040 --> 04:58:13,840
» Amen. All right. Do we have a motion to

6648
04:58:13,280 --> 04:58:15,840
adjourn?

6649
04:58:13,840 --> 04:58:16,560
» So moved.

6650
04:58:15,840 --> 04:58:18,080
» Second.

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» All in favor?

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» I. Any opposed? Thank you, everybody.