1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,120 Hello and welcome to the Byline Breakdown, the podcast where we bring 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,600 you the stories behind the headlines. And also, happy New Year to all of our 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:21,080 listeners. I'm your host, Mike Moliterno, and today we are going to 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,960 journey to the small but mighty village of Lowellville, a community that's 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:29,360 buzzing with newfound energy and ambition. Situated along the Mahoning 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:34,320 River with a population of just about 1,100, Lowellville is a testament to the 7 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:38,680 power of transformation and the resilience of small towns. 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:43,200 Our story begins with the Mahoning River, once restrained by a dam and now 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,440 flowing freely, which has been setting the stage for an incredible revival. 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,120 Joining us today is Dan O'Brien, the managing editor of the Business Journal 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,360 and the writer who brought us this story. Uh Dan, great to have you here. 12 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,280 Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you, Mike. Thank you. 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,960 First, I guess could you just set the stage a little bit and just tell us 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:05,400 about the community of Lowellville for people who may not be familiar cuz it is 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,280 kind of tucked away in this little out-of-the-way area of uh Mahoning 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:14,840 County. Sure. It's a it's a small hamlet and 17 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:19,840 it's, as you mentioned, flows along or it's stationed along the Mahoning River 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:24,040 and it's sort of bisected by the river itself. 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:30,200 And it's got a long history of immigrant population. At one time, mostly Italian 20 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:38,480 population there in in Lowellville. And it's it's got a very tightly knit, 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:44,000 very familial uh quality about it and it's a community where everybody seems 22 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:50,240 to know everyone else. And it was once really anchored by um 23 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:56,080 heavy industry. At one point, there was a Sharon steel plant uh that made steel 24 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,600 hoops, I believe. And there's a foundry there today that's still is in 25 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:04,160 operation. Not not by Sharon Steel obviously, but 26 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:11,200 it had an old 27 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:17,440 industrial history to it as well as uh is also a a trolley line that once ran 28 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:22,160 ran through it, too. Um so that you know, it it grew up along 29 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,320 the same sort of path as a lot of small industrial communities did along the 30 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,720 Mahoning River throughout the late 19th and early 20th 31 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,480 centuries. But obviously deindustrialization 32 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:36,880 industrialization changed all that. The steel mill retrenchments 33 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:42,560 during the '70s and the '80s transformed a lot of these communities. And part of 34 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:48,280 that was the transformation of the Mahoning River itself as a lot of those 35 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:53,200 major industrial plants had located along the banks of the Mahoning. They 36 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:57,160 would use the river to cool the steel and the manufacturing 37 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:02,440 products that they were pumping out of there. Um 38 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:05,959 it it also polluted the river as well. Yeah, the story of the Mahoning Valley. 39 00:03:04,239 --> 00:03:09,720 And and you know, it it it was just an awful 40 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:16,440 awful thing when you look at some of the EPA reports from the 1970s where 41 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,400 it picked out fish with anomalies. Right. 42 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:25,920 Physical anomalies whether that meant three eyes or or a number of different 43 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:31,200 fins growing out of the the fish that were found there, but it was bottom line 44 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:37,720 heavily polluted with toxins. And what's been interesting over 45 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:42,560 the last five or six decades is that since these plants have been idled, 46 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:48,640 since the steel industry really is no more along the river 47 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:52,240 and they don't use the river the Mahoning River has actually been 48 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,200 cleaning itself. Right. 49 00:03:52,640 --> 00:04:01,440 It's been sort of self-scrubbing over all of these decades. 50 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:07,959 And cleaning the river is integral to really establishing a quality of life 51 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:13,880 aspect along this whole region. And Lowellville's one of the beneficiaries 52 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:18,840 of this. And the first step to helping clean and and accelerate 53 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,280 cleansing of this river is, of course, the removal of those dams along 54 00:04:21,799 --> 00:04:27,800 Right. along the Mahoning because it's those 55 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:32,720 dams that collect all of that toxic debris that's been left over from all 56 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,760 those years. And once that's removed, it will allow for that sort of 57 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,480 self-scrubbing. And it slows the flow of the river. 58 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:44,840 Yeah, yeah. And this opens it all up. So, that was the first step is we saw in 59 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:49,440 in investing millions and millions of millions of dollars to remove the 60 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:55,680 the Lowellville dam. About 2 million or so, I believe, was 61 00:04:52,640 --> 00:05:00,120 was used to to open that up, which now opens up 62 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:03,400 the potential for a riverfront park Right. 63 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,240 that they're establishing right now. The the removal of the dams along the 64 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:11,040 Mahoning River is is an ongoing process. They're sort of working their way north, 65 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:15,440 I guess. The Mahoning River kind of goes in in weird directions. But uh but 66 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Lowellville was, I think, the first dam to be removed. 67 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,480 And um so, they're working their way more towards Warren and everything now. 68 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,840 But I guess once that happened, as you said, quality 69 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:31,840 of life uh amenities were now possible. And I we'll 70 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:35,160 talk about public investment in a bit, but I wanted to start with some of the 71 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:39,120 private investment that started coming into Lowellville. Could you tell us a 72 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,440 little bit about the the Estefans and what they've been doing? 73 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Sure. Matt Estefan, who is a businessman from Canfield, and his wife Jean, have 74 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:54,520 pumped in a lot of their own money to restore historic two historic buildings 75 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:59,120 along the along the waterfront. 76 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:04,840 And it is here where 77 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,600 he wants to take an old building that was really 78 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,520 earmarked for the wrecking ball at one time. There was serious discussion about 79 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:19,080 raising it and he said, "Wait, there's still some good bones in this thing." 80 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:26,120 And when I visited him visited him a few weeks back at the site, he had gutted 81 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:31,120 most of the inside of this old building and is now preparing to turn it into 82 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:35,960 three condominiums overlooking the Mahoning River. So, it's really got this 83 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:41,760 wonderfully scenic panoramic view of the Mahoning as you walk out on on this deck 84 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:47,480 that extends into the out of the back near the near the 85 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:51,840 bridge. And it really gives you a nice panoramic view of 86 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:55,200 what the Mahoning is today and it's really strikingly beautiful. 87 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,560 So, a number of hundreds of thousands of 88 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:04,080 dollars he's pouring into this particular project right now. It may go 89 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:09,120 much higher as anybody in the construction industry will tell you that 90 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:14,080 it doesn't always fit fit the initial budget and there's probably going to be 91 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:20,320 higher costs associated with it. And next to it is another building that he 92 00:07:16,919 --> 00:07:28,560 wants to turn into a cigar bar and a small diner if you will 93 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:33,240 or a small place where you could get hamburgers and and and food like that. 94 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:38,040 And again, using the river as that major 95 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:44,320 amenity as this also backs up against the river, building decks out where 96 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:49,880 people can enjoy a nice scenic meal overlooking free-flowing Mahoning River 97 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:54,560 now. And that is largely been a draw to any other city that that you see. I 98 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:59,680 mean, a lot of the river cities have used the river as that central amenity 99 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:04,440 in order to draw attention and to draw patrons to specific businesses, which is 100 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,680 what these investors want to do. 101 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,720 Did he mention a timeline for either of the projects? 102 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Yeah, it looks like they're going to be finishing up sometime in the spring of 103 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,800 2024. So, the spring of this year. Oh, okay. Okay. 104 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:23,600 uh some completion uh completion with the 105 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,919 restaurant, he believes, and uh fairly soon 106 00:08:24,919 --> 00:08:31,280 uh by by March or May, the condominiums. Uh 107 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,719 and it was they were moving along pretty quickly 108 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,599 when I was uh when I visited them a few weeks ago, so. 109 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,520 And and you also talked to another private investor, Ray Carlson. 110 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,599 Yeah, Ray's been investing in Louisville for years. 111 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Right. Uh and and his story is is quite 112 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:54,280 interesting. As as a pharmacist, he had moved to Louisville and wanted to start 113 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:58,360 a pharmacy of his own. Didn't quite work out. Uh 114 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:04,960 this is many years ago, uh but he was really endeared to Louisville uh itself. 115 00:09:02,839 --> 00:09:09,040 He lives in Poland Township out outside of the city 116 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:15,160 of Louisville, but nevertheless has always felt that this community would be 117 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:19,960 perfect for small-town development. So, he began by 118 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:25,040 establishing a um 119 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:31,160 uh an administrative and extended operation of his business, 120 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:37,280 which is RC Compounding, and he bought an old bank, restored it, 121 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:43,800 and now that's RC Compounding on Water Street in in um in Louisville. 122 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:49,760 Uh he also invested in uh the famous Scarselli's restaurant uh 123 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:53,680 which was destined to close at one point and he believed that well, I don't think 124 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,400 it would be good for the community to lose this particular landmark. 125 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Mhm. So he invested money in in in his now 126 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:05,560 restored put some more restoration into that particular building 127 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:16,560 and now that is uh is is is active today as well he purchased some other older 128 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:22,800 structures in the village and has turned two of them into Airbnb's 129 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,280 one of which has a uh 130 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,320 golf simulator in it and a pool table. So 131 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Right. folks who will really want to enjoy the 132 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:35,640 small town atmosphere in Louisville Swing Club or something like that or 133 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:41,880 Carlson Swing Club I think. So he's invested money in into these buildings 134 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:48,080 and uh his latest project is taking an old furniture building 135 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:53,800 and restoring that into a uh private events center 136 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:59,720 that could also act as an extension of his own business but also host certain 137 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:05,320 events and parties and so forth on on Water Street as well and uh you know 138 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:10,040 he's sinking a lot of money into the audio visual 139 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:15,720 amenities in this particular place which really sound quite quite good. I mean he 140 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:21,200 wanted to one of the best sound systems in in between here and uh 141 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,520 in the House of Blues in Cleveland but it's uh 142 00:11:22,839 --> 00:11:27,160 it's a $100,000 or something like that. 143 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:32,160 he's put a lot of money into this particular sound system so bands can go 144 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:35,560 in there and actually record and they they can record their live 145 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,120 stuff or or whatever they want to do. It could act as a big recording studio as 146 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:45,000 well. So, he's still trying to figure out exactly what he wants to do with it, 147 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:49,160 but he's redone this entire building, and it's uh 148 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,720 really coming along. So, the transformation is is really well 149 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,960 underway. And there've been a lot of talk about it for years and years and 150 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,360 years and years and years, but now it's actually happening. Well, we're going to 151 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,360 take a quick break, uh but when we return, we're going to talk about the 152 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,520 role of public investment in Louisville's resurgence. So, stay with 153 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,520 us. 154 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:14,120 Attention all business enthusiasts in Northeast Ohio and Western Pennsylvania. 155 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:19,000 The Business Journal has been your trusted partner since 1984, giving 156 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:23,480 insights, updates, and fostering growth in your region. From Mahoning to Mercer, 157 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:29,240 from Columbiana to Lawrence, we've got you covered. 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A few years back, Louisville received a number of grants, $25,000 168 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:24,680 each for businesses to perform facade improvements, 169 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:30,440 as well as, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars that 170 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:34,760 were allotted to development of the riverfront as well as hundreds of 171 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:39,680 thousands of dollars that were devoted to the riverfront and this will 172 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,680 eventually become a uh a nice pavilion that is under 173 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:51,400 construction as we speak. A canoe and kayak launch 174 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:58,760 was added a year or so ago a year and a half ago. 175 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,480 And the ambition is to extend this 14 acres 176 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:08,280 further along the river and establish a large 177 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,560 riverfront park Mhm. 178 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:15,640 that can accommodate just about anything whether it's frisbee golf or whether 179 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:19,080 it's some other activity that they may have planned. 180 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:22,800 Um so that's a lot of where the public investment is going on right now and all 181 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,040 of that comes with matching funds too. So the community has to raise a certain 182 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:30,400 amount of money themselves or the county as well in order to match these state 183 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:35,200 grants and and perhaps federal grants might come their way. 184 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:40,080 Um so with all of this going on, what do you see as the the biggest challenge 185 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:44,800 facing Louisville's revitalization? I I 186 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:48,920 think you need folks to you know use it. Right. 187 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:55,080 You know as we mentioned before there's little over a 1,100 or so residents. 188 00:14:53,200 --> 00:15:01,520 So I think the biggest challenge for Louisville is to get the word out. 189 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:05,920 You know why is this community a great alternative than going to the 190 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:11,520 big cities you know bigger cities like Cleveland or Pittsburgh 191 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:16,120 or or even Youngstown or Warren and the argument is and and Mayor DeCianni will 192 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:21,240 tell you this that you know a lot of folks are are enjoying the the small 193 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,760 town life. They like to get away and and have a a 194 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:31,320 nice relaxing evening at a place that isn't uh crowded and and traffic 195 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:35,840 congested and and and things like that and places like that. There's been 196 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:40,200 plenty of public investment to support this. There's been infrastructure 197 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:44,080 investment as well that uh was was poured into Louisville and it's still 198 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,960 being done there. Um 199 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:51,720 so some of the challenges I think hey, you know, you you really need to create 200 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:56,360 a good marketing campaign and making it a destination spot for folks. 201 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Now, there's also talk for other private investment on the other side of 202 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:07,320 the river at least in the opposite end of of of the uh town 203 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:14,000 uh along the river. So, more condo development might be in in the works in 204 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:20,120 the coming years. So, when we see this happen and you really see the physical 205 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:24,520 work underway, um that might convince 206 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:29,320 a lot of folks out there that, you know, this isn't just lip service. People are 207 00:16:26,839 --> 00:16:34,520 actually doing things to to rebuild these small villages 208 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:38,760 in the Mahoning Valley. And it looks like Louisville's on the right path to 209 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,640 do that. I mean, we've got other small towns and communities that are really 210 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:47,960 struggling with the same sort of 211 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:53,160 of issues. Uh you know, depopulation uh and and and the Mahoning Valley 212 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:57,480 losing, you know, residents uh over the years has has really 213 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:01,640 impacted these small communities especially. So, 214 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:09,720 what Louisville is trying to do is is something really quite interesting and 215 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,720 extraordinary for its size especially. 216 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,959 Well, thank you very much Dan for spending the time with us today and 217 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,880 sharing your story. You can read Dan's story at businessjournaldaily.com. 218 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:23,640 A link is in the show notes. We will be back next Thursday with another episode 219 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,280 of the Byline Breakdown. I'm Mike Moliterno. 220 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,880 You wouldn't drive a car without a map, so why navigate the business world of 221 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:37,200 Northeastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania without the Business 222 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:41,200 Journal? Trusted since 1984, we're the compass pointing you to growth and 223 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,840 prosperity. Digital, print, why not both? 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