1 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,720 the Lower Island Township Board of 2 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:09,920 Commissioners regular meeting of August 3 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:12,400 24th, 2026. The time is 6:02 p.m. Um 4 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:14,400 we'll begin by um announcing that proof 5 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,000 of publication is available for the 6 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,440 meeting and we'll begin with a moment of 7 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,599 silence followed by the pledge of 8 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,080 allegiance. Please join me in a moment 9 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:23,080 of silence now. 10 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,599 Please stand for the pledge. 11 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,840 Okay. And I'd like to um welcome 12 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:54,400 everyone again to the meeting this 13 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,640 evening. I'm I'm presiding this evening 14 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,480 um uh with Commissioner Mooer, 15 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Commissioner Brown, Vice President Ngi, 16 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,439 and I understand that Commissioner 17 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,439 Schwarz is on the phone um remotely. Is 18 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:08,879 that right, Commissioner Schwarz? Are 19 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:10,480 you able to hear me? Okay, 20 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:11,439 » I am. Thank you, Madam President. Can 21 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,080 you hear me? All right. 22 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:16,320 » Yes, we can. Thank you very much. Um, 23 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,919 our first action item is approval of the 24 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,280 meeting minutes from our regular meeting 25 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:22,880 of July 27th, 2026. 26 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:24,560 » If no corrections, I'll make a motion to 27 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,960 approve the regular meeting minutes of 28 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,680 July 27th, 2026. 29 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,040 » Second. 30 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,360 » Have a motion from Commissioner Brown 31 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,520 and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any 32 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,800 questions or comments? 33 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,440 » Okay. Hearing none, I'll call for the 34 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:42,400 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 35 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:44,800 » I. Any opposed? Motion carries five to 36 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:48,160 zero. Okay. The next section of our 37 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,160 agenda is for presentations and um begin 38 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:55,720 with some employee recognitions both for 39 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,720 awards and for performance award. 40 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,680 work. 41 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,759 Okay. Our first letter is for Russell 42 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Osen. Russell Olsen. He's a maintenance 43 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:37,120 specialist in our public works 44 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,400 department. Um I understand he's not 45 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,400 here this evening, but I'm going to read 46 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,759 the letter from the board. Um this 47 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,280 correspondence is written as a 48 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:45,199 commendation letter for your years of 49 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,880 service to the township. Over your 50 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:49,120 tenure at Lower Allen, you have grown in 51 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,720 responsibility and tasks at a m as a 52 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,400 maintenance specialist to in the public 53 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,400 works department. Your commitment and 54 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,160 dedication have not gone unnoticed and 55 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,320 is with great pleasure that we issue 56 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,919 this commendation letter honoring your 57 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,000 five years of service to Lower Allen 58 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:05,549 Township. So, let's give Russell a round 59 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,549 of applause even [applause] 60 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Okay. And next we have 61 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,479 Next we have Amy Nye. She's a emergency 62 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,600 medical technician in our EMS 63 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:23,680 department. Um I understand she's not 64 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,880 here either, right? Okay. So, this 65 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,319 correspondence is written as a 66 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,160 commendation letter for your years of 67 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,520 service to Lower Allen Township. Over 68 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,520 your tenure at Lower Allen, you have 69 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,680 grown in responsibility and tasks as an 70 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,680 emergency medical technician in the EMS 71 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,919 department. For your commitment and 72 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,160 dedication have not gone unnoticed. It 73 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:41,919 is with great pleasure that we issue you 74 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,080 this commendation letter honoring your 75 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:45,680 20 years of service to Lower Township. 76 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,560 So, thank you, Amy, and we'll make sure 77 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,560 that you get your service. 78 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,039 Okay. Next, we have Mr. Reynolds. If 79 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,039 you'd like to come up here, please. 80 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:03,759 Okay. Hi. How are you doing? All right. 81 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,080 So, this is Char Charles Reynolds, 82 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:07,759 better known as Charlie. Um, he's our 83 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,960 fleet manager in our fleet department 84 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,800 here at the township. And I'm going to 85 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,160 read the letter from the board. This 86 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,599 correspondence is written as a 87 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,000 commendation letter for your years of 88 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:17,440 service to Lower Allen Township. Over 89 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,199 your tenure at Lower Allen, you have 90 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,039 grown in responsibility and tasks such 91 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:22,560 as as fleet manager in the fleet 92 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:25,039 department. Your commitment and 93 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,199 dedication have not gone unnoticed and 94 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:28,800 it is with great pleasure that we issue 95 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,440 you this commendation letter honoring 96 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,520 your 20 years of service to lower 97 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,160 township. So thank you very much for all 98 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,160 that you do for the township. 99 00:07:39,919 --> 00:07:43,160 Please do. 100 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Okay. And next we have Stacy Morgan. 101 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:09,360 Hi. Thanks for coming tonight. Um, this 102 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,120 is Stacy Morgan, our planning technician 103 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,520 in the CED department of Lower Allen 104 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,199 Township. And this is correspondence is 105 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,879 written as a commendation letter for 106 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,879 your years of service to Lower Allen 107 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:20,400 Township. Over your tenure at Lower 108 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,319 Allen, you've grown in responsibility 109 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,080 and tasks as a planning technician 110 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,000 within the community and economic 111 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,560 development department. Your commitment 112 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,479 and dedication have not gone unnoticed. 113 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,320 It is with great pleasure that we issue 114 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:34,719 you this commendation letter honoring 115 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,959 your 30 years of service to Lower Island 116 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:38,880 Township, which is extremely impressive 117 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:40,479 and we very much appreciate all that you 118 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,040 do for the township. So, thank you so 119 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:44,060 much. 120 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,060 [applause] 121 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,959 » Yeah, let me read the citation 122 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,959 separately. 123 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:06,320 We also have a a resolution. Um I'll 124 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,320 read it and then we'll vote on it. Is 125 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,320 that what we should Okay, 126 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:14,560 » We'll just make sure you're you know 127 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:16,080 approved. Um this is resolution 2026R-28 128 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:18,080 which is a resolution of the board of 129 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,560 commissioners of Low Township, Karland 130 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,480 County, Pennsylvania recognizing Stacy 131 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:24,399 L. Morgan. Whereas the board of 132 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,880 commissioners of Lower Township desires 133 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:29,600 to express its recognition and gratitude 134 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,160 for 30 years of services provided by 135 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,800 Stacy L. Morgan. And whereas Stacy first 136 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,880 joined Lower Township in 1996 as a 137 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,320 customer service representative in the 138 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,360 community economic development 139 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,760 department. And whereas Stacy then 140 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,839 served as a codes technical assistant 141 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,560 and whereas Stacy was appointed as 142 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:50,399 planning technician. And whereas Stacy 143 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:52,720 has served on several committees during 144 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,959 her tenure and whereas Stacy has 145 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,920 received many accolades from staff and 146 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:59,760 citizens for a variety of reasons. I'm 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,519 now hereby resolve that sincere 148 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,920 gratitude and appreciation are hereby 149 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,519 extended to Stacy El Morgan for her 30 150 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,440 years of dedicated service to the 151 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,440 citizens of Lower Township, Cumberland 152 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,040 County, and that this recognition be 153 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,920 spread upon the minutes and records of 154 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:16,399 Lower Township for perpetuity. So, I'll 155 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,160 call for the vote um for a motion to be 156 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:19,760 made on the resolution for Stacy's 157 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,120 recognition. 158 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,399 » So, moved. 159 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760 » Okay. I have a motion from Vice 160 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:25,680 President Negi and a second from 161 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,120 Commissioner Brown. All those in favor, 162 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,800 please say I. 163 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,079 » I. 164 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,040 » I. 165 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:34,480 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. And 166 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,240 thank you again for all that you do for 167 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,560 the township and congratulations. 30 168 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,720 years is a very impressive tenure. So, 169 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,720 thank you. 170 00:10:43,872 --> 00:10:45,892 » [applause] 171 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,320 » Okay. And last but not least, Mr. 172 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Powell, Director Powell. 173 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,640 Okay. This is Benjamin Powell, PE, 174 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,880 director of our public works department 175 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,560 here at Lower Island Township, and we 176 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,560 have a letter for you on behalf of the 177 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,399 board. This correspondence is written as 178 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:36,880 a commendation letter for going above 179 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:38,320 and beyond. It was brought to the board 180 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,399 of commissioners attention that during 181 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,560 an unexpected storm emergency over the 182 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:45,040 July 4th holiday that developed with 183 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:46,640 little to no advanced wing, leaving no 184 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,880 practical opportunity for normal 185 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,800 preparation, uh you responded quickly 186 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,800 and took initiative to coordinate among 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,200 the volunteer fire companies, our public 188 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,839 safety agencies, municipal personnel, 189 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,680 and other emergency partners. By 190 00:11:57,839 --> 00:12:01,519 maintaining clear communication, 191 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,760 identifying immediate needs, directing 192 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:05,200 resources where they were most critical, 193 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,720 and remaining actively engaged 194 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,480 throughout the response, you helped 195 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,480 ensure a coordinated and effective 196 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,200 effort under rapidly changing 197 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,200 conditions. Your calm leadership, 198 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,959 flexibility, and willingness to take on 199 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,440 responsibilities beyond your usual 200 00:12:16,959 --> 00:12:21,360 duties supported public safety and 201 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,040 demonstrated an exceptional commitment 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,360 to the community and the administration 203 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:29,983 of the township. So, thank you very much 204 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:32,003 for your actions that day, that weekend. 205 00:12:29,983 --> 00:12:32,003 [applause] 206 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,480 Okay. And again, congratulations to all 207 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,760 of our employee recognitions. And uh we 208 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,200 just want to also thank all the family 209 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,279 and friends who came tonight to show 210 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,600 their support for these employees who 211 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:18,880 are um greatly valued here at the 212 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,560 township. So congratulations again. 213 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,639 Um next we'll move to audience 214 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,320 participation. This is where any item on 215 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:26,320 the agenda or any business pertinent to 216 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,320 the township can be addressed. We ask 217 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,760 that all attendees sign in and those 218 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,519 speaking should state their name and 219 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,920 address for the record. Um, is there 220 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:36,240 anyone here for purposes of discussion 221 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:39,880 um with respect to the township or an 222 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,880 agenda item tonight? 223 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,720 Okay. And which which item would that 224 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:46,880 be? 225 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,279 Okay. 226 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Okay. Anyone else here to speak on an 227 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:54,800 agenda item or township? 228 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Okay. Seeing none, we will move on. And 229 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,920 when we get to that item, we'll we'll 230 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,320 make sure that any questions or comments 231 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,160 you have are addressed. Um, next is the 232 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,920 consent agenda. This is where any 233 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,120 commissioner, staff member, or anyone in 234 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,760 attendance who would like to have an 235 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,000 item on the consent agenda removed for 236 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,760 further discussion can request so now. 237 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,240 Is there a request for the removal of 238 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,839 any item on the consent agenda? 239 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,440 No objections, Madame President. We'll 240 00:14:15,839 --> 00:14:18,399 make a motion to accept the consent 241 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,199 agenda. 242 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,199 » Second. 243 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:23,040 » A motion from Vice President Ngi and a 244 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:24,959 second from Commissioner Moler. Any 245 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,560 questions or comments? 246 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:29,279 » Okay. Hearing none, I'll call for the 247 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,839 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 248 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:30,800 » I. 249 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:31,680 » Any opposed? 250 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,320 » I. 251 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,680 » Any opposed? Motion carries five to 252 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,040 zero. And the consent agenda is 253 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:41,519 approved. Um, our next item is to accept 254 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,120 a motion to appoint Alex J. as the 255 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:44,560 alternate member on the zoning hearing 256 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:49,079 board for the remainder of the term 257 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,079 ending December 31st, 2027. 258 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,279 » Second. 259 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,120 » I have a motion from Commissioner 260 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:56,880 Mochler and a second from Commissioner 261 00:14:53,120 --> 00:15:00,079 Brown. Any questions or comments? 262 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,360 » Okay. All those in favor, please say I. 263 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:02,800 » I. 264 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,639 » I. 265 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,839 » Any opposed? 266 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:11,040 Mot motion carries five to zero. 267 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:12,320 And thank you to uh to this alternate 268 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,079 member on the zoning hearing board. 269 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:18,320 We're excited to have an alternate 270 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:21,120 participation. 271 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Next, we will turn to human resources. 272 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,440 And I believe Director Cone, you have 273 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,320 two items for us tonight. 274 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,040 » Yes, Madam President. Uh first item up 275 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,959 is uh approving the completion of the 276 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,639 pro or yeah discussion possible action 277 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:37,199 approving completion of probate of the 278 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:39,360 probationary period and granting regular 279 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:41,199 full-time status to police corporal Tory 280 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Shily and that would be effective August 281 00:15:41,199 --> 00:15:45,920 25th 2026 if approved. He's met all of 282 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,440 his requirements and has had excellent 283 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,199 evaluation. 284 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,279 » Wonderful. 285 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:54,639 » Any questions on this potential motion? 286 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:57,120 » No questions. I'll make a motion to 287 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:59,360 approve the um completion of the 288 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,680 probationary period and grant regular 289 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,040 full-time status to police corporal Tory 290 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,680 Shily effective August 25th, 2026. 291 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,279 » Second. 292 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,680 » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown 293 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:11,759 and a second from Commissioner. Any 294 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,120 questions or comments? 295 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,519 Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those 296 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,360 in favor, please say I. 297 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,320 » I. 298 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,959 » I. 299 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,959 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z. 300 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,519 All right. And the next item is 301 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,759 discussion and possible action accepting 302 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:31,360 the retirement of David L. Hall, 303 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:35,399 Director of Public Safety, effective 304 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,399 September 4th, 2026. 305 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:39,600 » I make a motion to accept the retirement 306 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:44,440 of David L. Hall, Director of Public 307 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,440 Safety, effective September 4th, 2026. 308 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,959 » Second. 309 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,440 » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown 310 00:16:46,959 --> 00:16:52,000 and a second from Commissioner. Any 311 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,600 questions or comments? 312 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,279 I'd like to thank Dave for his lifelong 313 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,399 commitment to public safety and public 314 00:16:55,279 --> 00:17:00,240 service and wish him happy. 315 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:02,000 » Thank you. Any further questions or 316 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,279 comments? 317 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,519 » Okay, hearing none. I'll call for the 318 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:06,319 vote. 319 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:08,799 » Just real briefly, 320 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,240 » I'm sorry. I just wanted to apologize to 321 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,640 Director Hall for not being there in 322 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,839 person tonight. Um if it wasn't for a 323 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:20,000 family emergency, I I would be there to 324 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:21,919 uh um to uh wish you the best. But u 325 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,760 anyway, I just wanted to 326 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:25,679 Thank you. 327 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,880 » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz. And I 328 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:29,679 should note for the record, Commissioner 329 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,679 Schwarz attendance virtually is 330 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:32,679 acceptable. 331 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:37,840 » Any further questions or comments? 332 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,039 Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the 333 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,960 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 334 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:45,840 » I. 335 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,600 » Okay. Any opposed? Motion carries five 336 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,760 to zero. And again, on behalf of the 337 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:54,000 board, we wish Mr. Hall a very wonderful 338 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,520 retirement. 339 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,480 » Okay. Thank you, director. 340 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,320 » Thank you, Madam President. 341 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,919 » There's no items for public safety, so 342 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,480 we'll move on to community economic 343 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:06,000 development director, please. 344 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,400 » Thank you, Madam President. Uh the first 345 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 item is just a update on zoning hearing 346 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,559 board. Uh there was no meeting in 347 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,320 August. Uh and we have not received any 348 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,559 applications to the deadline for the 349 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:20,440 September meeting. So there will not be 350 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:20,440 a September zoning. 351 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,760 Uh second item uh is discussion and 352 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:27,760 possible action approving the uh 353 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,600 following waiverss associated with storm 354 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,640 water management system for the proposed 355 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:36,080 parking expansion at 30 385 Gettysburg 356 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,520 road dairy farmers of America. Um and 357 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,840 forgive me hindsight I probably should 358 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,000 have provided a memo to the board. Um 359 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,799 but just just to give a little context 360 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,039 uh if the board may recall uh the 361 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,600 Gettysburg portion of the old portion of 362 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:52,960 Gettysburg road along dairy farmers was 363 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,840 vacated. Um the right of way uh and 364 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,679 there was a subdivision plan lot 365 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,480 consolidation that the board approved 366 00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:02,640 and was supported as well. Uh what what 367 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,799 that did was was help the existing dairy 368 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,400 farmers of America parcel uh just just 369 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:10,880 get in line with with a lot of 370 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:14,799 nonconformities which included their lot 371 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:16,799 coverage. Uh what they have done and 372 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:19,919 they're they proposed a parking 373 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:21,919 expansion which still complies with the 374 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:24,559 existing law coverage but it will really 375 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:26,960 help them out. Uh if the board recalls 376 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:30,320 when when PepsiCo did when dairy farmers 377 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,240 did the um a couple of presentation that 378 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:36,720 they've done they just they just have a 379 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:38,320 a large amount of a large volume of the 380 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Frappuccino that comes in and out of 381 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 there and they have a they have a really 382 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400 tough time with their parking their 383 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,360 trucks. 384 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,600 this parking expansion, this uh they've 385 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:50,960 proposed the storm water management uh 386 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:53,200 system. Uh we've it's under review at 387 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,760 this point, but with it uh they've got 388 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,840 zero infiltration out there. Uh and 389 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,559 because of that uh they are proposing 390 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:04,000 the the managed release concept and with 391 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:07,600 that of course the the volume from our 392 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:12,799 storm water storm management ordinance. 393 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Also, um the minimum 12 in diameter pipe 394 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:17,600 uh is is not necessary for the discharge 395 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:21,280 pipe as we're reviewing this. So, 396 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,760 they're also requesting um a a waiver of 397 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:26,760 that and then the alternate proposed a 398 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,760 discharge. 399 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:33,880 So, our township engineer and staff 400 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,880 would recommend. 401 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,520 » Okay. Thank you, director. Any 402 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:43,080 questions? 403 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,080 engineer or director on these two items. 404 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:56,400 Um if no questions, I will go ahead and 405 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:58,320 make a motion to um 406 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,600 approve the proposed parking expansion 407 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,520 at 3805 Gettysburg Road to Dairy Farmers 408 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,200 of America with the [clears throat] 409 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,120 following waiverss. Section 184 410 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,440 to require the removal of storm water 411 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:13,039 volume and in the alternate permit 412 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,919 Pennsylvania Department of Environmental 413 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:18,559 Protection's managed release concept 414 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:19,280 methodology. 415 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,720 » Second. 416 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,559 » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown 417 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,039 and a second from Vice President Navy. 418 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,400 Any questions or comments? 419 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,640 » Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the 420 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 421 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,960 » I. 422 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,799 » I. 423 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:39,320 » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to Z. 424 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,320 Also, uh, section 184-19.G18 425 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:44,320 to require a minimum 12in pipe diameter 426 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,080 and privately owned storm water 427 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,400 facilities and then the alternate allow 428 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,440 a 6 in discharge. 429 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,960 » Second. 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,080 » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown 431 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,880 and a second from Commissioner. 432 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Any questions or comments? 433 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,280 » Okay. All those in favor, please say I. 434 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840 » I. 435 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,280 » I. 436 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,080 » Any opposed? Motion carries. 437 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,960 Okay, moving on to the next item, 438 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,720 please. 439 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,159 » Thank you, Madam President. Uh, the next 440 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,559 item is discussion of SLD 441 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:18,799 number 2026-04. 442 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,640 This is the Liberty Forge phase one 443 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,520 final subdivision and land development 444 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:27,120 plan. Um, just I I'll just give a a 445 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:30,000 brief um just a just a brief summary of 446 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:33,280 of the plan itself. Um, if the board 447 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,080 recalls, uh, 448 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:40,159 preliminary plan was was approved on 449 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:42,640 January 26th of 2026. Uh that proposes 450 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:46,559 193 dwelling units 451 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:49,200 uh age restricted 55 plus. Uh the the 452 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,840 phase one plan before you is the final 453 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,080 plan uh and it proposes the subdivision 454 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,440 of the existing creekide mini golf 455 00:22:54,080 --> 00:23:00,880 course um and driving range. Um and lot 456 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:04,320 two proposes the construction of 53 of 457 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,880 the dwelling units, a community building 458 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,440 and associated storm water open space, 459 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,480 water line extension along Lisburn Road, 460 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:15,520 and the roadway improvements. 461 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:20,440 Uh tonight, uh RGS and the rest of the 462 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,440 development team are here to present 463 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:39,600 Good evening. Jake Kger from RGS 464 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,480 Associates uh here on behalf of the 465 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,159 applicant. Um EG Stoulles Foods. Um 466 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,120 we're in front of you back in January as 467 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:49,440 Isaac uh mentioned. Um so I'll be I'll 468 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,960 be brief and just our review and um then 469 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,760 we can I'll take any questions you might 470 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,919 have. Um as mentioned the project's 471 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520 located at the old Liberty Forge at the 472 00:23:55,919 --> 00:24:01,039 location at the Liberty Forge golf 473 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,799 course and uh dividing into two lots uh 474 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,880 on the north side the driving range and 475 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:07,280 restaurant and mini golf will remain um 476 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,640 with the development um happening on the 477 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:13,760 other the uh south side of Lisburn Road. 478 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:16,240 Um the uh the district the zoning 479 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,200 district is R2 with um and proposing an 480 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,159 open space overlay. Um and as mentioned 481 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,279 um phase one will include 53 uh units 482 00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:27,440 for um for phase one. Um a left turn 483 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:29,919 lane along with pedestrian crossing 484 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,720 signal is proposed at the site entrance 485 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:35,279 um off of Lisburn Road. Uh and this HOP 486 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,200 is currently in process at at PennDOT. 487 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:39,360 Um emergency access will also be 488 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,679 provided um through the existing drive 489 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:44,720 paving um and with a temporary drive 490 00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:46,400 connection um 491 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000 temporary drive connection kind of off 492 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,760 this edge here that will kind of connect 493 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,240 to some of the existing paving for phase 494 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,240 one. 495 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,559 Um all waiverss proposed with this 496 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,960 project are um for phase one are in line 497 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,799 with the preliminary plans. Um and these 498 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,320 were uh all recommended with the 499 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:05,520 exception of the sidewalk modification 500 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,240 along Lisburn. Um where in addition to a 501 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,960 10-ft trail of sidewalk on the on the 502 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,880 north side um the board moved to defer 503 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,200 sidewalk on the opposite side of Lisburn 504 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,880 Road. Um I'm happy to review any other 505 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,080 waivers that you have uh questions you 506 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,840 have in regard to any waivers if 507 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:24,640 desired. Um and then um the preliminary 508 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,240 plan conditions have all been um all 509 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,240 been addressed related to plan work um 510 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,080 or will be addressed prior to recording. 511 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:34,159 Uh remaining comments are uh 512 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,440 administrative um in nature. Um and in 513 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,720 addition, we've received a couple 514 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,080 conditions from the planning commission 515 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,880 and those have all been addressed as 516 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,320 well um with the recommendation. So, I'm 517 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,440 happy to answer any other questions you 518 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,440 might have um or discussion um and we 519 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,200 request your approval of the waiverss 520 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400 deferral and the plan tonight. Thank 521 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,440 you. 522 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,279 » Thank you. 523 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,039 » Um I'll just start out. So, can you just 524 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,320 specify what the condition was from the 525 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,919 planning commission? Was that with 526 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,880 respect to the lighting for the 527 00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:59,840 mailboxes? 528 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520 » Yes. 529 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,080 » Was there anything else added? 530 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,679 » The other conditions were for the tree 531 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,960 cleanup along Lisburn um and um and that 532 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:11,200 was already kind of addressed on the 533 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,799 plans previously. So, the only new 534 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,440 additional one was the lighting at the 535 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,120 mailbox. 536 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,400 » Okay. Thank you. 537 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:21,400 » Okay. I'll open it up to the board for 538 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 questions. 539 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,720 » I guess I'll start. Madam President, so 540 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,960 in the the memo information 541 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,919 » We got I guess we'll go to Director 542 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,120 Sweeney. Um, 543 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:38,080 you know, sometimes a lot of our 544 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:40,240 waiverss are to actually 545 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,480 permit the applicant not to do things 546 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,720 that they should be, you know, or due to 547 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,400 certain specific reasons. But in this 548 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,039 case, it actually seems like several of 549 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,960 these are 550 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:53,760 they're doing an alternate thing that's 551 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,279 more preferential that actually would be 552 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,880 better in the long term. Is that my 553 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:00,640 understanding for several of these? 554 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,640 I was gonna say given the site 555 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,600 conditions 556 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,799 and working through plan commission 557 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,360 in a lot of cases all 558 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:13,520 » Okay so in this case it's less of kind 559 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,760 of exempting them from following certain 560 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,320 rules and more so getting something 561 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,400 better for what will be long term for 562 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,559 the that community and the development 563 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,120 » That is correct I mean the plane 564 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:29,279 commission had strong feelings about the 565 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:29,279 connectivity and walking 566 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,559 Yeah, because I think I saw in that 567 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:43,679 specific one, the sidewalk deferral 568 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,279 number three by moving it to the the 569 00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:47,840 other side of Lisburn, it actually makes 570 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:50,640 it a much safer walkway, getting it 571 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,720 further off Lisburn Road than even 572 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,520 though ideally it would be the same side 573 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,840 as the development, but by crossing it 574 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,640 over you safer walkway. Is that my 575 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,440 understanding? 576 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840 » That is correct. 577 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,799 » Okay. 578 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,559 » Thank you. 579 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,320 » I think just to add to that too, Vice 580 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,320 President Naggie, by moving it to the 581 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,000 other side, it allows more connect 582 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:14,000 easier connectivity to the park, which I 583 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,799 would imagine is the over overall goal 584 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,799 in this area. 585 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,000 And with respect to the crosswalk to get 586 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,080 to the other side of this proposed 587 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,159 trail, can you just explain sort of the 588 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,279 safety features that will be in effect 589 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:29,360 for the crosswalk? 590 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:31,120 » Sure. So, it'll be a striped crosswalk 591 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,840 and it'll have an overhead warning 592 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:36,960 system um that we permitted through the 593 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,320 PennDOT HOP. Um but it's it's similar to 594 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,799 one that's proposed somewhere else in 595 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,520 the township as far as the crossing and 596 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,520 it's a lighted system. 597 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:55,679 Okay. Any other questions from the board 598 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,760 with respect to these waiverss or 599 00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:00,240 approvals in the alternate for some of 600 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,600 these items? 601 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,520 » From my end, these are pretty identical 602 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,159 to what we've we've seen just a short 603 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:11,960 time ago and approved. So I at this 604 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:11,960 point I don't have any questions. 605 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,640 Commissioner Schwarz, do you have any 606 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:20,120 questions or insight from your role with 607 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,120 the planning commission? 608 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:25,279 » Um, the uh the only thing that comes to 609 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,520 mind from the planning commission was 610 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:32,159 the uh that that hasn't already been 611 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:35,120 discussed. Um was the uh uh fire 612 00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:36,559 services uh request to uh use some of 613 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,240 the existing buildings for training 614 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:42,480 purposes. Have y'all been able to uh uh 615 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,159 connect with somebody on our end about 616 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,000 that? Uh I wasn't sure if if that had 617 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,279 been accomplished. 618 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,039 » Yeah. 619 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,360 » Yeah. Yes. So that we reviewed that with 620 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,880 staff and we've made some um adjustments 621 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,960 as far as making sure we're compliant 622 00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,440 with the turning um and parking and 623 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,440 things of that nature. 624 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,200 » Oh, I meant more specifically about uh 625 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720 training. 626 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,760 » Oh, understood. with the existing 627 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,440 buildings. I I wasn't sure if that um if 628 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,720 further discussion had been made about 629 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,039 about that. 630 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,520 » Oh, I'm sorry. Could you state your 631 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,360 » Sure. 632 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,000 » Before you speak. Thank you. 633 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,320 » Ryan Ball with the applicant. So, that's 634 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,399 still an open item. We're willing to 635 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,000 work with emergency services for 636 00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:30,000 training purposes to the extent 637 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,720 possible. The closing timeline on the 638 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,159 project is still a moving target at this 639 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,159 point. So, it all needs to be 640 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:39,640 coordinated closely with that, but we'll 641 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:39,640 absolutely follow. 642 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,279 » Um, Commissioner Schwarz, were you able 643 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:49,840 to hear that conversation? 644 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,919 » I I I heard from the applicant and then 645 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,840 I heard somebody indicating that they 646 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,799 received the reach out. I think it might 647 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,640 have been Captain Deon. 648 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,159 » That was Yes, that was Captain Deep. 649 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Yep. Just want to make sure you heard 650 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:02,320 that. 651 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,480 » Okay, perfect. Thank you. That was all 652 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,919 that that was the only outstanding issue 653 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,720 that that uh came to mind from from the 654 00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:14,120 planning commission meeting. So, thank 655 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,120 you very much. 656 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,520 » Any other questions from the board? I'll 657 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,279 open it up to the attendees. And I know 658 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,480 you have mentioned that you'd like to 659 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:25,039 potentially speak. Is there anything 660 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,279 you'd like to address? Okay. Please come 661 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,279 to the podium. 662 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:40,880 Jamie Gun 3800 road mechanics. 663 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:44,799 It's unclear to me on um item 664 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:48,080 1 A under C whether 665 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:52,480 the BM on Lisburn Road 666 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:55,760 is going to be increased in a way that 667 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:59,760 makes it at least for a small section of 668 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,760 Lisburn Road pass by Vic. 669 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,000 You know, I understand that there's 670 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,679 going to be a widening of the road so 671 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,399 that there are two traffic lanes moving 672 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:14,080 in opposite directions and a turn lane, 673 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:18,559 but is there going to be additional 674 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:22,000 widening of the road that would allow, 675 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:26,480 you know, a two foot or 676 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:31,679 some some BM beyond the travel or turn 677 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:34,399 lanes that make it safe for bicycles or 678 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:36,960 students 679 00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:37,519 » Aside from the trail that would that's 680 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,159 being 681 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:43,440 » Well yeah I mean bicycles go both ways 682 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:45,679 so I don't know if your intention is for 683 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,279 people that are bicycling along Lisburn 684 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:52,799 road to use that trail I thought that 685 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:55,200 was to be a pedestrian 686 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,840 » Director who's best to answer that 687 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840 question for our 688 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:03,039 I can certainly try. I I I'm not I I 689 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:07,360 mean there is no the only proposed 690 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:11,200 widening is is strictly to add the u the 691 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,399 the lefth hand turn lane. Um I I believe 692 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,240 uh that that PDO was not interested in 693 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:20,159 in widening 694 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,960 uh the the road along the frontage uh 695 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:26,480 just because of the the oddity and the 696 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,360 tapering of the widening. the tapering 697 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,440 of the the lanes and uh the possible 698 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,360 disorientation that it could cause for 699 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,519 for drivers with that actual. So I there 700 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,480 is no widening proposed except for right 701 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:43,799 at the entrance to allow for the left 702 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,799 hand turn. 703 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,840 So it was mostly the the state's 704 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:56,760 determination then on that widening 705 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,760 abilities and safety of the bicycles. 706 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,960 » And with regard to bicycles, I I'm not 707 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,159 sure that I can answer that. I mean, I 708 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,399 don't I don't know how we feel about 709 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,399 having bic% 710 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,240 that 711 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,520 either. 712 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:15,839 » I'm not sure how we would prevent that. 713 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,879 How would we prevent bicyclist using the 714 00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:17,760 trail. 715 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,879 » I don't think that's 716 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,159 » Just as they would use. 717 00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:22,159 » I would say that's a good idea. 718 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,599 » We have bicyclists using our walking 719 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,359 trail right now behind the Bethany 720 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,679 Village cottages walkers and not motori 721 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:32,879 not not ebikes but bicyclists do use 722 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,399 that trail. 723 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,800 I think that would be an option for the 724 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:38,720 residents. 725 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:44,679 » It just seems a shame to miss an 726 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:44,679 opportunity to make road safer for 727 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,240 » Yeah. I think the other problem is too, 728 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:56,480 you know, I live out past this. I drive 729 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:58,000 past it several times every day. I I 730 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,079 know there's a lot of bicycles on 731 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,400 Lisburn Road, but I all the time Why I 732 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,280 can think of 733 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,119 less safe road than a 40 mile per hour 734 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,359 road with all the ups and downs and the 735 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,040 sharp turns. This particular section in 736 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:14,640 my mind is one of the safer ones because 737 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,480 you do have a better line of sight. You 738 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,400 can see the bicycles. When you keep 739 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,280 going up towards the township, you get 740 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,520 into by the Canyon Creek development. I 741 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,520 mean, there's nothing we can do about 742 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,160 that. I mean this this small section 743 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,760 here 744 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,400 you know it's it's kind of a pendot 745 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:36,800 thing be tough for us to overroll that 746 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:39,280 anyway but I mean Lisburn road is just I 747 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,680 I just think it's such a unsafe road to 748 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,000 be traveling on a bicycle because of the 749 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,760 speed and because of the the lack of 750 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,839 line of sight you're coming over some of 751 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,560 these hills when the bicycles you know 752 00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:52,160 you come over kind of come over down and 753 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,079 come back up another one the bicycles 754 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,680 are traveling extremely And you can't 755 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,680 really see them in a lot of points until 756 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,079 you're right on top of them. 757 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,160 » I agree. I would not ble on that road 758 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,000 and I travel that road frequently as 759 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,040 well. And if there's something that can 760 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:11,040 make it safer for the bicyclist and then 761 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,359 by default safer for me as a motorist, I 762 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,200 would be happy to see that type of 763 00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:17,440 improvement. 764 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,400 » Yeah. I I don't think this stretch is 765 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,720 probably our our concerns for bicycles 766 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,720 on that road though. I mean, this is of 767 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,079 I think. 768 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,119 » Thank you for your comments. We 769 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:32,800 appreciate it. 770 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:35,040 » Okay, I'll turn back to the board to see 771 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,119 if there's any other questions before we 772 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,119 consider the waivers that are before us. 773 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,240 » No other comments or questions. Madam 774 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:50,720 President, I'll make a motion to approve 775 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:52,240 the waiver section 192-57. 776 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,839 C.1 777 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,079 provide an increase in the pavement 778 00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:58,640 width of Lisburn Road along the frontage 779 00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:01,119 of the lot. But in the alternative, they 780 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,200 will at the entrance provide a left turn 781 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:06,599 lane on Lisburn Road with additional 782 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,599 pavement widening. 783 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640 » We have a motion from Vice President Ngi 784 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,640 and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any 785 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,359 questions or comments? 786 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,760 » Okay. All those in favor, please say I. 787 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:16,960 » I. 788 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,760 » I. 789 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000 » I. 790 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,520 » Any opposed? Motion carries. Five to 791 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,960 zero. 792 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,440 Next, Madam President, I'll make a 793 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,440 motion to accept the waiver for section 794 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440 192-57.C.8 795 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,240 to provide curbing along Lisburn Road 796 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:37,119 and Old Forge Road and 8 in vertical 797 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,599 curbs along the internal development 798 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:41,920 streets. And in the alternate, they will 799 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,960 install internal slant curbing for all 800 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,160 internal development streets. 801 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,520 » Okay, I have a motion from Vice 802 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,720 President Ngi and a second from 803 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,440 Commissioner. Any questions or comments? 804 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,160 Those in favor, please say I. 805 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359 » I. 806 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,440 » Any. 807 00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,960 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to zero. 808 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,440 » Next, Madam President, we'll make a 809 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:08,560 motion for the waiver section 192-57. 810 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,119 C9 to provide sidewalks along both sides 811 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,000 of internal development streets and 812 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:17,359 frontages along Lisburn Road and Old for 813 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,520 Road, Old Forge Road, excuse me. And in 814 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:21,920 the alternate, they will replace with a 815 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,800 five foot wide sidewalks on one side of 816 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,760 all internal development streets and a 817 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,079 six foot wide trail and open space areas 818 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,640 and a 10- foot wide trail along the 819 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,280 north side of Lisburn Road and a 820 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:40,000 deferral providing sidewalks along 821 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:42,160 Lisburn Road and Old Forge Road. And I 822 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,520 um before I get a second, I just want to 823 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:49,760 clarify the other part of that in the 824 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:54,200 memo was would include a connection to 825 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,200 township community. Is that correct? 826 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,160 » Would it make sense to add that to the 827 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,599 motion? 828 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,320 » I think because it's going to be 829 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,320 depicted on the plan 830 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:16,560 as it stands. Okay. 831 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,359 for a second. 832 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,520 » Second. 833 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:21,839 » Have a motion from Vice President and a 834 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,880 second from Commissioner Brown. Any 835 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:27,440 further questions or comments? 836 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,160 » All those in favor, please say I. 837 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,400 » I. 838 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,400 » Any opposed? 839 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,440 » Any opposed? Motion carries five to 840 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,440 zero. 841 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,680 » Okay. Our next paper 842 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,839 » Next madam president section 192-57 843 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,160 C9C 844 00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:50,880 to provide level sidewalk areas every 845 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,280 100 ft and in the alternate it will be 846 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680 replaced with sidewalks to match road 847 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,760 grade. 848 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,920 » I have a motion from vice president and 849 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,160 a second from commissioner. Any 850 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,800 questions or comments? 851 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,560 » All those in favor please say I. 852 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,800 » I. 853 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:14,320 Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to zero. 854 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,320 » Next, Madam President, section 192-63. 855 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,960 C.1A 856 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,520 to provide sidewalks no closer than 5T 857 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,760 from the curb line and in the alternate 858 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,560 will replace the sidewalks at 2 feet 859 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,560 from curb line. 860 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,800 » We have a motion from Vice President and 861 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,040 a second from Commissioner. Any 862 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,359 questions or comments? 863 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,560 All those in favor, please say I. 864 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:41,280 » I. Any opposed? 865 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,160 » Sorry, Commissioner Schwarz. [laughter] 866 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,680 Any opposed? Motion carries. Five to 867 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,839 » Are you 868 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,960 » Yeah. Am I coming through? Like are are 869 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:51,280 you guys able to hear me? 870 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,400 » Oh, absolutely. I just move on too 871 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:58,400 quickly and it's my apology. 872 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,240 » No, no worries. No worries. Okay. So, 873 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,480 » Next, Madam President, we'll make a 874 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:04,720 motion to accept the waiver for section 875 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,640 184-14 876 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,200 to require the removal of storm water 877 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,800 volume and in the alternate permit them 878 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,720 via the Pennsylvania Department of 879 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,119 Environmental Protections managed 880 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,839 release concept methodology. 881 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,760 » Second. 882 00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:20,000 » I have a motion from Vice President Ngi 883 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,800 and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any 884 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,680 questions or comments on this one? 885 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,119 Okay. All those in favor, please say I. 886 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,160 » I. I. 887 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,720 » I. 888 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,640 » Any opposed? Motion carries five to 889 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:38,119 zero. 890 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:38,119 » Oh boy. Next one. Section 192-63.A.2A1, 891 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,720 section 184-19.G.16, 892 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,760 and section 184-19.H7.7 893 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,200 to provide type C inlet tops with 10in 894 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,119 reveal and in the alternate permit slant 895 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,359 top inlets to match the proposed 896 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,680 curving. 897 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:03,920 I have a motion from Vice President and 898 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,800 a second from Commissioner. Any 899 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,160 questions or comments 900 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,720 hearing? None. I'll call for the vote. 901 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,079 All those in favor, please say I. 902 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,040 » I. 903 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,920 » I. 904 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,920 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z. And 905 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,880 looks like our last one, 906 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,880 » Section 192-57. 907 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,760 C12B 908 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,760 and section 184-19.G.21. 909 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,720 to provide pavement based drains in all 910 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,480 proposed internal development streets 911 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,640 and in the alternate permit the 912 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,680 installation of pavement base drains at 913 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,960 all low points of the streets. 914 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640 » Okay, I have a motion from Vice 915 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,640 President Ngi and a second from 916 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,160 Commissioner Butchler. Any questions or 917 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,680 comments on this last 918 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,680 call for the vote? All those in favor, 919 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,920 please say I. 920 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:59,880 » I. 921 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,880 » Any opposed? Last one carries 5 to 922 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:06,800 looking for the overall approval of the 923 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:08,400 phase one final subdivision. 924 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,079 » Madam President, if no other questions 925 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,920 or comments, we'll make a motion to 926 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,839 approve 927 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,480 2026-04 928 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:18,240 Liberty Forge phase 1 final subdivision 929 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,480 and land development plan with the 930 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,640 following conditions. 931 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,720 Satisfy all remaining comments listed on 932 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,960 RTU's letter dated August 14th, 2026. 933 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:31,200 Satisfy all remaining comments listed on 934 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,880 Cumberland County Planning Department's 935 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,960 letter dated July 7th, 2026. 936 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,720 And the planning commission's 937 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,240 recommendation to provide adequate 938 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:44,280 lighting for the residents at the 939 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,280 cluster mailbox locations. 940 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,880 » I have a motion from Vice President Ngi 941 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,119 and a second from Commissioner. Any 942 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,400 questions or comments? 943 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:55,119 Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the 944 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,520 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 945 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,400 » I. 946 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,280 » I. 947 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,040 » I. 948 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,880 » Any opposed? 949 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,400 » Motion carries 5 to zero. And thanks to 950 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,079 the applicant for their presentation 951 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,760 today and thank you for the township 952 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,680 residents input over the course of this. 953 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,400 And also thank you to our township 954 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,119 engineer and staff for their help in our 955 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,880 review of this plan. So, thank you very 956 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,800 much. And I think that's all you had for 957 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,440 us tonight, director. 958 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,880 » Okay. All right. We'll move on to public 959 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,400 works. Thank you. 960 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,319 » Thank you, Madam President. Two items on 961 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,119 the agenda tonight. Public works. First 962 00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:35,280 is uh for discussion possible action. 963 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:38,480 This is for authorizing staff to sign an 964 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:41,040 agreement with Mr. Rehab LLC, a co-stars 965 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,680 vendor for the pipelining work in the 966 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,680 amount of $146,657.78. 967 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,280 I gave the I provided the board a memo 968 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,800 outlining this work. Um I would mention 969 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,640 in addition to that that this is budget 970 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,920 item for this year. We have set aside 971 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:03,040 $175,000. The work came in a little bit 972 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:07,119 less than what we're expecting. So 973 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,040 this would fall under that line. 974 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,480 » Any further questions for director on 975 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,119 this one? 976 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,200 » Um no other questions. I'd like to make 977 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,839 a motion to authorize staff to sign an 978 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,640 agreement with Mr. Rehab LLC, a co-stars 979 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:24,040 vendor for the pipelining work in the 980 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040 amount of $146,6578 981 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,720 uh contingent upon the storm water 982 00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:31,720 authority approval. 983 00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:38,240 » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown 984 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:41,680 and a second from Commissioner. 985 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,319 » Any further questions or comments? 986 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,319 Okay. All those in favor, please say I. 987 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:47,319 » I. 988 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:53,440 The hem 989 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,599 any opposed? Motion carries. Five to 990 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,319 zero. 991 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:58,720 » Thank you. 992 00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:03,040 » He's really going through the right. 993 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:05,280 » A poor little thing. 994 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,000 » And the second item is for discussion, 995 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,640 possible action. This is for approving a 996 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,319 change order from EK Services. They're 997 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,200 our contractor for the infrastructure 998 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:17,760 project this year. Um this would be are 999 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:21,839 changing the unit price for milling from 1000 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:24,560 $2.68 per square yard to $310 per square 1001 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:26,640 yard. And with the quantity that we have 1002 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:30,079 estimated, this would change the total 1003 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:34,000 contract price around 20 to $25,000. I 1004 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:35,680 outlined the reasons why. 1005 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,920 » Any questions for director on this 1006 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,680 change? 1007 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,079 » Just want to say thank you for the memo 1008 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,480 and the detailed information. 1009 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,280 From what I understand, it's like 1.2 2 1010 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,119 million project. 1011 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,520 » Yeah, that's the contract amount. The 1012 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:53,920 township will be paying for the asphalt 1013 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,000 separately. So, it is quite a bit more 1014 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,240 than that, but that's our contract 1015 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,560 price. 1016 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,280 » Just hearing all the benefits of what 1017 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,440 everything would bring the 20 to $25,000 1018 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:10,560 change order and the $1.2 million seems 1019 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,040 very minuscule. seems like we'd be 1020 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,520 foolish to not get through with it. I 1021 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,119 think it'll be a better product in the 1022 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,440 » End. I would agree. I think it would be 1023 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,440 negligent not to make this change after 1024 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,079 discovering this to to do it the right 1025 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,480 way and ensure it it lasts when it is a 1026 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:28,000 project of over a million dollars. 1027 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,480 » We are trying to budget too for next 1028 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,079 year just even get proper equipment so 1029 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,800 this doesn't happen again. So hopefully 1030 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:40,400 that investment will pay off so we're 1031 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,400 not in this place in the future as well. 1032 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,200 Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the 1033 00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:47,040 change order from EK Services, Inc. Uh, 1034 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:51,520 changing the unit price for milling from 1035 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,240 $2.68 per square yard to $310 per square 1036 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,119 yard. 1037 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,720 » Second. 1038 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,720 » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown 1039 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:59,119 and a second from Vice President Nikki. 1040 00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,400 Any questions or comments? 1041 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,200 » Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the 1042 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,640 vote. All those in favor, please say I. 1043 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,599 » I. 1044 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,400 » I. 1045 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:11,359 » Any opposed? Motion carries five to 1046 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,760 zero. 1047 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:15,839 Thank you, Director Powell. 1048 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,040 And Director, looks like you have one 1049 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:19,440 item for us tonight. 1050 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,040 » Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Um, we 1051 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,640 received the West Recreation 1052 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,200 Commission's 1053 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,359 budget and their proposed increase on 1054 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,480 the per capita amount that we pay to be 1055 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:32,800 participants. So, uh, director or I'm 1056 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,800 sorry, manager Davis and I had a meeting 1057 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,160 today with Todd Miller and just because 1058 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,040 I had a couple questions on some of 1059 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:42,400 their items. So, the increase from last 1060 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,480 year's per capita is 15, which isn't a 1061 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,280 lot. Basically, we're going to be paying 1062 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:52,319 $2,56455 1063 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:53,359 more than we paid um in 26 for 27. And 1064 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,040 since there is going to be the 1065 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:58,079 natiatorum 1066 00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:02,480 uh renovations this coming year, they 1067 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:04,480 did decrease the revenues. Um it quite 1068 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,160 in line with how they decrease the 1069 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,400 expenses. The only expense that I had a 1070 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,920 question on was the actual aquatic fee 1071 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,839 that they have listed there because that 1072 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,920 didn't come down much. But he explained 1073 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:15,839 that is a 7% 1074 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,400 charge on the revenue they make and it's 1075 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:20,800 based on the previous year. So what they 1076 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,280 what they did in the fall of 26 is what 1077 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,520 they pay in February of 27. So we'll 1078 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,160 actually see that be less in their 28 1079 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,880 budget for what they do for the fall of 1080 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,480 27 when the renovations will be going 1081 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,319 on. 1082 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:38,160 So everything looks in line. They're 1083 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:40,160 looking for us to um approve and agree 1084 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,480 if we want to be a part of it and then 1085 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:46,240 sign and return the authorization by 1086 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,200 September 30th. So if um the board would 1087 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:52,800 have anything want to discuss or 1088 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,119 so inclined to approve 1089 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,200 going forward tonight. 1090 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:59,599 » Thank you. 1091 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,480 » Any questions or comments for director 1092 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:05,200 on this item? I think um we do want to 1093 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,599 probably clarify in the motion language 1094 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,319 exactly what portion lower is 1095 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,359 responsible for versus the the total 1096 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:15,040 aggregate of the five municipalities. So 1097 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:16,640 maybe if we can 1098 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,680 » I have those. 1099 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,119 I'll but I'll give a chance. I don't 1100 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,200 know if Commissioner Schwarz wants to 1101 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:27,480 chime in as the um 1102 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,480 from there. Any other further thoughts? 1103 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:35,359 » Mr. Schwz, do you have anything else to 1104 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,599 add or from being on with the board? 1105 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:40,559 Uh yeah, the only other thing that I 1106 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,760 would add is uh the the specific 1107 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:46,559 shortfall that we're expecting for the 1108 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:51,920 uh mandatory enclosure is about $65,000 1109 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:56,079 in revenue. Um which uh the uh the 1110 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,559 increase in the per capita rate uh won't 1111 00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:02,319 cover all of that. We're we're dipping 1112 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:06,480 into uh the commission's uh general fund 1113 00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:10,079 balance um a bit to help cover that. um 1114 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:14,480 not putting all of the shortfall onto 1115 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:19,040 the municipalities but um and uh I also 1116 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:23,680 wanted to highlight in uh 23 24 and 25 1117 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:27,359 we uh approved um uh 10 cent per capita 1118 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:32,319 increases um to help keep up with uh 1119 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:36,400 rising costs. And so really uh this is 1120 00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:39,599 more of a 5 cent uh per capita increase 1121 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:43,680 u attri attributable to the uh to the 1122 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:45,839 mandatorium closure. So, um I just 1123 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:50,559 wanted to put that out there for 1124 00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:52,160 perspective. Um and uh so that uh we all 1125 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,640 sort of understand in the grand scheme 1126 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,280 of things it's it's not a huge increase 1127 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,760 and it'll help the organization uh 1128 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,640 continue to remain viable and provide uh 1129 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:06,240 good services to residents um and good 1130 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:09,040 recreation activities. So, um, so I'm 1131 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:12,480 all for it and if, uh, if anybody has 1132 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:15,119 any question additional questions, 1133 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,040 I'm happy to try to answer the best I 1134 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,119 can. 1135 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,359 » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz. 1136 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:24,480 » You know, I would echo those sentiments. 1137 00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:26,559 I think for the the amount we pay, the 1138 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,920 the benefits are definitely mismatched. 1139 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:31,839 We we do a get a great service from them 1140 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,559 um for what the the true costs are. So, 1141 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:36,559 I will be happy to uh make the motion 1142 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,880 and accept the Westshore Recreation 1143 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,880 Commission's proposed fee increase from 1144 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,960 $3.30 1145 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,920 to $345 1146 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,800 per capita for 2027. 1147 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,800 The increase to Lower Allen Township at 1148 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,800 $2,56455 1149 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,680 with a total payment of $58,98465. 1150 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,160 A motion from Vice President and a 1151 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,640 second from Commissioner Brown. Sorry, 1152 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,760 it was just because of the time delays, 1153 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,800 but [laughter] 1154 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,880 » That's fine. 1155 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,960 » Okay. 1156 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,400 Um, so we have a a motion and a second, 1157 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,240 so I'll call for the vote. All those in 1158 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,559 favor, please say I. 1159 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,680 » I. 1160 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,240 » I. 1161 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,240 » I. 1162 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,480 » Any opposed? 1163 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:30,240 Okay. Motion carries five to zero. And 1164 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,800 again, just want to echo every 1165 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,400 sentiments in terms of the um the the 1166 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,079 programs that the commission provides to 1167 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,079 our township and local community and 1168 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:41,400 we're glad to have them continuing their 1169 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,400 their programs. 1170 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:46,240 » That's everything from Okay. Thank you, 1171 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,839 Director. And we'll turn to Manager 1172 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,559 Davis. Looks like you have a few items 1173 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,480 to cover. 1174 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:52,640 » Thank you, Madam President. Appreciate 1175 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,079 it. Um yeah, my first item for 1176 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,240 discussion and possible action would be 1177 00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,040 to authorize the manager to provide 1178 00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:01,520 formal notice to the Cland County adult 1179 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,760 probation office that the township will 1180 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,160 not be offering the use of the township 1181 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,839 facilities including Boris Hall meeting 1182 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,880 space for the county's DUI school 1183 00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:12,400 effective January 1st of 2027. 1184 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,319 We've identified that the meeting space 1185 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,000 is no longer conducive for their meeting 1186 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:17,359 needs and so we'd like to get this 1187 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,760 letter out to them to give them ample 1188 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:24,200 time to make other arrangements. Thank 1189 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,200 you. Any questions on this item? 1190 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:29,040 » I'll move to authorize the manager to 1191 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,040 provide formal notice to Cumberland 1192 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,559 County that the township will not be 1193 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,880 offering township facilities 1194 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,839 including meeting space for the county 1195 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640 program effective January 1st. 1196 00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:42,480 » Second. 1197 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,880 » Okay. I have a motion from Commissioner 1198 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,359 and a second from Commissioner Brown. 1199 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,880 Any questions or comments? 1200 00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:51,040 Hearing none, I'll call for the vote. 1201 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440 All those in favor, please say I. 1202 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,720 » I. 1203 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520 » I. 1204 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:57,760 » I. 1205 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,920 » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to zero. 1206 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,280 » Thank you. Next item would be for 1207 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,040 discussion and possible action. This 1208 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,520 would be to approve a policy making the 1209 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:08,079 health savings account or HSA plan 1210 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,760 mandatory for all new nonuniform 1211 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:13,200 employees requiring health insurance 1212 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,800 effective August 25th, 2026. I have a 1213 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,880 memo in your packet and as we've 1214 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,720 discussed with the board, 1215 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,200 representatives have indicated that we 1216 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:23,520 will u continue to receive increases in 1217 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,079 our healthcare costs. Uh we had a 20% 1218 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,800 increase in 26. Uh they're projecting 1219 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:30,960 15%. Um we expect to receive those 1220 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,000 numbers in midocctober closer to our 1221 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,839 budget time. Requiring these new hires 1222 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,319 to enroll will help to mitigate the cost 1223 00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:40,240 increase experienced by the township. It 1224 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:41,920 will take time for the savings to be to 1225 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,079 be quantified but the requirement will 1226 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,640 be the start for for that beginning that 1227 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:50,079 process as more employees 1228 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:52,319 plan. Um, it'll also allow employees to 1229 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,640 build uh savings for healthare costs now 1230 00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:57,200 and into retirement. So, I'm just 1231 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,960 looking for discussion from the board 1232 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,240 and we'll help to enter or happy to 1233 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,480 entertain any questions you may have 1234 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,480 about this 1235 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,000 » Question. 1236 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,920 Start day one. 1237 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,000 » Correct. 1238 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,599 » Correct. 1239 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,160 » December. 1240 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,559 um a little earlier than that, November 1241 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,960 for January, but yes, around that time. 1242 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,960 Commissioner Mler, 1243 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,280 » I was just going to say thank you for 1244 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,760 sharing all the information on on the 1245 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,680 plan and it looks like an excellent 1246 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,760 plan. So, 1247 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,839 I have no issue making it mandatory 1248 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,720 because I would really like to have this 1249 00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:40,640 plan myself. So, 1250 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,240 if there's no other questions, I would 1251 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:46,160 make a motion to approve 1252 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:48,640 the polic making the health savings 1253 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,880 account plan mandatory for all new 1254 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:55,680 non-uniform employees requiring health 1255 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:57,280 insurance effective August 25th, 2026. 1256 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,520 » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown 1257 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,000 and a second from Commissioner. Any 1258 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,599 questions or comments? 1259 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,079 I hear none. I'll call for the vote. All 1260 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:07,440 those in favor, please say I. 1261 00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:08,319 » I. 1262 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,680 » I. 1263 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:13,440 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z. 1264 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,400 Thank you for bringing this to our 1265 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,160 attention. Absolutely. Um the next item 1266 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,839 I have for discussion on possible action 1267 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,000 this would be to authorize a manager to 1268 00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:24,160 establish a public safety committee uh 1269 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,359 including key staff volunteer fire 1270 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,040 company chiefs and appointed 1271 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:29,280 commissioners as primary leazison and 1272 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,319 alternate or secondary leazison to the 1273 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,480 committee. I included a memo in your 1274 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:35,680 packet. um happy to entertain any 1275 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,920 questions, but I think it would be 1276 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,599 important for us to uh start this 1277 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,079 committee and have a consistent process 1278 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:44,240 for reviewing community safety needs, 1279 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:46,640 developing recommendations concerning 1280 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,200 police, fire, rescue, EMS, and emergency 1281 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,440 management and preparedness matters. And 1282 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,440 I'd like to start meeting um initially 1283 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:57,680 monthly and then we can determine 1284 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,520 scheduling um from that point forward. 1285 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,160 » Thank you. That sounds like a very very 1286 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,079 good idea. open it up to any questions 1287 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,079 about this committee. 1288 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:09,040 » No, I think the success of the the 1289 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,640 finance committee, this would apply 1290 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,319 perfectly here. This is a great 1291 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,960 application for that and I think would 1292 00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:18,000 go a long ways to to getting everyone on 1293 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,680 the the same page and bringing the 1294 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,480 volunteers into more of the township 1295 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,880 processes so they're the township 1296 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,040 processes are less of a mystery and less 1297 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,559 misunderstood. So, I think this is a 1298 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,440 great idea to get everyone on the same 1299 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,440 page. 1300 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,920 comments 1301 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,240 for a motion to authorize 1302 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,520 Davis to establish a committee. 1303 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,000 » Madam President, we'll make the motion 1304 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,799 to authorize Manager Davis to establish 1305 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,799 a public safety committee including key 1306 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:53,359 staff, volunteer fire company, fire 1307 00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:56,079 chiefs, and appointed commissioners as a 1308 00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:58,000 primary liaison and alternate secondary 1309 00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:00,240 liaison. 1310 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,160 » We have a motion Vice President and a 1311 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,319 second from Commissioner Mler. Any 1312 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,000 questions or comments? 1313 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,000 » Madam President, the only question I 1314 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,920 have is I assume I would be keeping the 1315 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,200 leazison the same as we have already 1316 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,880 established for our public safety 1317 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,280 department, which would be Vice 1318 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,920 President Naggie and Commissioner Brown. 1319 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,920 » We can open that up. 1320 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:26,280 » I'm not opposed to it, but I know we had 1321 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:26,280 the traffic committee 1322 00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,799 on 1323 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,680 more than 1324 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:46,400 any objections to 1325 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,040 Vice President and Commissioner Brown 1326 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:52,040 being our objections from any other 1327 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,040 commissioner. 1328 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,400 » I I don't I'm I'm fine with that. Um and 1329 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,839 if they're uh 1330 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,480 If there are uh specific uh uh public 1331 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:07,359 safety initiatives around uh traffic 1332 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:11,440 calming and uh pedestrian bicyclist 1333 01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:13,680 safety, uh I would uh probably on an ad 1334 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,520 hoc basis express my interest and see if 1335 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,520 we can just work something out. So, but 1336 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:23,119 I think for general purposes, I'm 1337 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:26,240 perfectly fine uh uh Vice President Navy 1338 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:28,880 and Commissioner Brown to uh take the 1339 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,960 lead on that. 1340 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,040 Okay, thank you Commissioner Schwarz. So 1341 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,359 I guess could we make the motion twofold 1342 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,359 then 1343 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:39,760 authorizing the formation of the 1344 01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:42,760 committee and then also appointing our 1345 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,760 leaison. 1346 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,680 » Okay. 1347 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,280 Okay. So, let's um vote. We have a 1348 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,960 motion from Vice President Ngi and a 1349 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,400 second from Commissioner Moler on the 1350 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,480 authorization to establish the 1351 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,839 committee. Um all those in favor, please 1352 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,240 say I. 1353 01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:09,680 » I. 1354 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,559 » I. 1355 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,319 » I. 1356 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:15,359 » Okay. Any opposed? All right. That 1357 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:17,359 motion carries. And then secondarily, 1358 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:20,000 we'd be looking for a motion just to 1359 01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:22,000 underneath this authorization to appoint 1360 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,920 the primary and secondary leazison from 1361 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:28,599 the board. 1362 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,599 » Make a motion. Vice President. 1363 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,200 » Okay, I have a motion from Commissioner 1364 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,400 Mler and a second from Commissioner 1365 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,920 Schwarz. Any questions or comments? 1366 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,960 » Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those 1367 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,359 in favor, please say 1368 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,319 » I. 1369 01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:49,599 » I. 1370 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:52,240 » Any opposed? Okay, motion carries five 1371 01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,359 to zero. And looks like you have one 1372 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,680 more note for us. 1373 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:57,200 » Yes, just one more note to to remind you 1374 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,200 that we have an open house scheduled. 1375 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,960 It's prior to our next meeting. There's 1376 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,960 a flyer in your packets that explains 1377 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,720 the details. Um, and we'll also at that 1378 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,359 same meeting be having a presentation 1379 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,640 from Seth Barry on our solar panels at 1380 01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,920 the beginning of that meeting. So, just 1381 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,599 wanted to remind the commissioners about 1382 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,599 that. 1383 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:16,480 » Sounds like a great open house and look 1384 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:19,040 forward to attending it. 1385 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,799 » All right. Um, with that, we will open 1386 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,640 up the meeting just if there's anything 1387 01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:26,079 for the good of the order from our 1388 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:28,079 solicitor, director. Any residents in 1389 01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:31,400 attendance? 1390 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,400 » Yes, sir. 1391 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,400 » Hi. If you could just state your name 1392 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,200 and address. 1393 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:45,760 » Paul Stagger, 32 Scarsdale Drive, Ross 1394 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:47,760 Point Manor, Lauren Township. Um, 1395 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,160 obviously we've had a big project going 1396 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,079 on in our neighborhood. Uh, I just had 1397 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:56,240 some questions I was hoping I could get 1398 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:59,200 some answers on. Um 1399 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,040 » The the curbing 1400 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,960 is that being replaced as part of the 1401 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,480 paving project? 1402 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,720 » We'll turn it over to director. 1403 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,480 » Curving is not being replaced. Curving 1404 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,920 is the ultimate responsibility of the 1405 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,680 property. So 1406 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,400 » Okay. So even even though the curbing 1407 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,280 has a footing that extends 12 in out 1408 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,520 into the street, 1409 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,520 » The gutter line, we're not repl 1410 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:27,039 in areas where 1411 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,839 the the curb line is the curb reveal is 1412 01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:32,480 only about one to two inches or totally 1413 01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:34,960 deteriorating. 1414 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,680 » That's not being replaced. So you're the 1415 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:42,480 the intention is to repave the street 1416 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:46,640 brand new scratch course wearing course. 1417 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:49,119 » So if if a home if a homeowner wants to 1418 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:51,520 replace the curving, 1419 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:53,200 they have to dig up the street. 1420 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,280 » Correct. 1421 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,000 12 in out. 1422 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,920 » We would we would we would likely just 1423 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,440 make them do a vertical curve. We would 1424 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,520 not replace the curve gutter because 1425 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,079 we're just paving over the curve gutter. 1426 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,760 » Okay. 1427 01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:08,319 » We're paving over the the concrete 1428 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,799 gutter line that's there today. 1429 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:13,680 That's part of the change order that was 1430 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:15,520 so we are milling that down to provide 1431 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,480 sufficient cover of the pavement over 1432 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,559 top of that existing gut line that we 1433 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:24,480 weren't aware. So to match the curb 1434 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:26,480 reveal 1435 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,520 » We'll be we'll be replacing 1436 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:32,319 » You won't be hitting four inches 1437 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,960 » Of curb reveal you you might be hitting 1438 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,039 one. 1439 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,079 » So whatever whatever is there should be 1440 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,359 matching. 1441 01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,559 » Okay. So that is the homeowner's 1442 01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:41,920 responsibility. 1443 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:45,520 » So if we want to replace our curving 1444 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,839 we have to have someone dig up the brand 1445 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,839 new street. 1446 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:51,920 That's why that's why a year ago we had 1447 01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:54,160 sent the correspondence out to all the 1448 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,839 property owners letting them know if you 1449 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,000 need any issues or if you have any 1450 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:01,200 issues with your property and you need 1451 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:05,400 to replace it now is the time to do so 1452 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,400 that a year ago. 1453 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:12,240 So ENK 1454 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,559 had a change order that increased the 1455 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:20,599 milling 1456 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:20,599 price by about 16%. That was approved. 1457 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:28,000 » Okay. 1458 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:30,000 Does it does this does this seem like it 1459 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,799 should fall like when the houses when 1460 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:36,240 the houses were built 1461 01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:38,799 did the home the first time home buyers 1462 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:42,359 buy the curb? 1463 01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:42,359 » I can't answer. 1464 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,079 » I don't have that. I don't have that. Do 1465 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,599 do you see where I'm come like where I'm 1466 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,039 asking 1467 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,760 » Like where I'm coming from with the 1468 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:55,119 question? 1469 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,839 » Right. You're you're looking for the 1470 01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:00,720 township to replace all the curb as part 1471 01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:03,280 » I I'm just I it to it to me it makes 1472 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,760 more sense. Why wouldn't the curb be 1473 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,559 replaced with if you're doing a full 1474 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,160 depth replacement why wouldn't the curb 1475 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:15,119 be replaced? 1476 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,720 » I mean part of it concern cost. That's a 1477 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,200 that's a huge undertaking. 1478 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,680 » Yeah, I No, I I understand that. I'm an 1479 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,359 engineer. 1480 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,000 » What's the value we're getting back out 1481 01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:22,720 of it? 1482 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,599 » Okay. You know, 1483 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,240 » But have you seen the curbs in Ross? 1484 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,240 Man, 1485 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,240 » Understand 1486 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:35,520 where we supposed to pull this? We don't 1487 01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:38,400 have 1488 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,920 » K just asked for a 16% increase in 1489 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,400 milling 1490 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:46,839 » On a $1.2 million project. It's going to 1491 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,839 cost an additional $20,000. 1492 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:52,559 » Was ENK a low bid, no bid, or merit bid? 1493 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:57,359 » They were the lowest responsible. 1494 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:59,359 » Lowest responsible bidder. Okay. 1495 01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:03,200 All right. 1496 01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:05,520 So, if we want to replace our curbs, we 1497 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,960 are responsible for digging up the 1498 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,880 street, right? 1499 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,240 And how long has that always been the 1500 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,559 boss? 1501 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,960 » I I don't know the history of our 1502 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,200 ordinances, but that would go back. 1503 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,359 » I'm I'm I'm just asking if if that 1504 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,960 changed at some point because obviously 1505 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:25,599 you have houses that were built in the 1506 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:29,119 50s and 60s 1507 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:32,960 that the curbs were all installed when 1508 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:37,200 the street was paved. 1509 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:39,839 So, at what point did it change to where 1510 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,400 the homeowner became responsible for the 1511 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,520 curb? 1512 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,440 » Again, I don't have the answer. 1513 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,720 » It just 1514 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,480 » Again sir. Yes, the sidewalks and curbs 1515 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,520 are are the responsibility of the 1516 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,160 property owner of the first class 1517 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,240 township code. And that would be true in 1518 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,680 any first class township in the 1519 01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,400 » So even though they have a footing that 1520 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,760 goes underneath the public street 1521 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,440 » And again 1522 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,599 I'm I'm only telling you the general 1523 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,839 law. The streets were dedicated when the 1524 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,520 developer completed Rossmo Manor. Okay. 1525 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,119 So, I don't I and again I don't know who 1526 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,200 the engineer approved it that way, but 1527 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:15,440 that those public improvements were 1528 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,279 accepted by the township, but the 1529 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,199 ongoing maintenance of those curbs and 1530 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,719 sidewalks of the property owner and if 1531 01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,560 they aren't done at some point in time, 1532 01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:23,520 there can be assessments levied against 1533 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,120 those property owners. 1534 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,520 » Okay? Including the footing that goes 1535 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,560 underneath the public street just to be 1536 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,480 clear. 1537 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,080 » And again, if that's part of the the 1538 01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:34,000 curving in sidewalk then my answer is 1539 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,000 yes. I just I'm not an engineer but I 1540 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,480 don't see that plan but that ordinarily 1541 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,359 is true of our township and any other 1542 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:44,000 township. 1543 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:47,600 » Are you able to weigh in on this at all 1544 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:49,040 from your engineer perspective? 1545 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,520 I was going to say from that 1546 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:54,960 perspective, yes, it is part of the 1547 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:57,679 curve and under the first class code, it 1548 01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,319 is someone's responsibility because it's 1549 01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:04,199 designed as a curve to gutter and it's 1550 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:04,199 considered one. 1551 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:07,759 » Okay. 1552 01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,120 » So, unfortunately, that sounds like the 1553 01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:11,600 way that it 1554 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,080 » I just I just wanted to ask 1555 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,199 » Yeah. 1556 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:17,120 » Get an answer. And the question is for 1557 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:22,560 from for from for me is you're taking 1558 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:26,000 the time to do this project to repave 1559 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:28,799 the road. Wouldn't it make sense to just 1560 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,920 do it all in one? 1561 01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:34,480 But I mean, we've had several problems. 1562 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:38,319 I've already replaced the struts on my 1563 01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:39,920 Jeep in my just driving down the road. 1564 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,920 It's this has been an ongoing problem. 1565 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,640 There have been sink holes. 1566 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:48,239 numerous problems and I just don't 1567 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:51,440 understand why we wouldn't 1568 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:55,719 just do it all as one part of 1569 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,719 one one single project. 1570 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,920 » Again, we're not we haven't been 1571 01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:04,159 replacing any curbs. We don't intend to 1572 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,880 replace curbs. That's beyond our scope 1573 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:08,080 of work. 1574 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,400 » So are you so if we so as a homeowner as 1575 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,719 somebody who wants to replace 1576 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,719 curb. Is it appropriate to just saw cut 1577 01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:16,480 down and leave 1578 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:18,480 » The footing in place? 1579 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:19,840 » Again, that would be the most They're 1580 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,320 going to have to excavate that out 1581 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,840 anyway, the gutter line. 1582 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:27,280 » Why didn't they do that when they did 1583 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,280 the ADA ramps? 1584 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:33,840 » They did. 1585 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:36,640 » Did So, so they did that, but they 1586 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,880 » You won't do that with the street, 1587 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,199 » Right? Because 16 feet around the corner 1588 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,800 of the curve is a lot 1589 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,120 That's that's a federal law that comes 1590 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,880 into play for the township. 1591 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,679 » The ADA is a federal law we have to 1592 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,080 adhere to, 1593 01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:51,920 » Right? And I'm all in I don't know if 1594 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,320 you remember me, I was here before and 1595 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,719 in support of the ADA ramps. 1596 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,159 » Yes. 1597 01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:57,120 » Because there were people who are 1598 01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,679 opposed to it, 1599 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,719 » Right? 1600 01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:03,920 » Which I don't understand that. It just 1601 01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:07,600 doesn't make sense to me 1602 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:10,239 that these aging curbs which are going 1603 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:12,880 to be deteriorated very soon or already 1604 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:16,080 deteriorated wouldn't be replaced when 1605 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,840 you're ready to put a new at least one 1606 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,360 and a half inch scratch course and 1607 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,600 wearing course on top. 1608 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,000 I guess solicitor minor I guess the 1609 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:29,840 answer is it's within within the code 1610 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,679 it's not we're not even able to do that. 1611 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,360 Is that correct? Well, I think it's a 1612 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:35,280 budget matter as well, but I mean I 1613 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,800 think that the rationale with the 1614 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,400 legislature when they wrote the code was 1615 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,120 that should be the homeowner's 1616 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,560 responsibility and and again that's been 1617 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,000 that way as long as there's first class 1618 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,920 and I think that's also true in other 1619 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,679 townships codes. But certainly that's 1620 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,760 been true since the first class township 1621 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:52,480 code was enacted and they just 1622 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,159 recottified it in 2026. It's still there 1623 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,840 » And I just need to comment our last 1624 01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,360 paving project in Allenale we did not 1625 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,440 replace curves and we had some similar 1626 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,040 situations. So some home homeowners 1627 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:05,040 maybe cutting at the connection to the 1628 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,719 street. But that's been our consistent 1629 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,719 process here to follow the first class 1630 01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:11,920 township code. So I've been here through 1631 01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:13,760 several paving projects. It's consistent 1632 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,120 how we've been the projects. 1633 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:20,080 » Okay. Does it does it seem prudent from 1634 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:22,640 a budget standpoint to 1635 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,199 saw cut 1636 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:30,960 the curb and just replace it in kind 1637 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:33,440 right there and not replace the footing? 1638 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,840 I'm you're saying for the township to do 1639 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,840 all that work 1640 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,840 some of the neighbors some of the 1641 01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:43,760 neighborhoods have the actual gutter the 1642 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,640 footing as you're calling it to the curb 1643 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,320 some don't in either case no matter 1644 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,480 whether it's a straight curve or the 1645 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,960 curb and gutter system our intention is 1646 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:54,960 not to 1647 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,600 » All right so I I live at the corner of 1648 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,440 Scarzil in the Bonsza and we have a 1649 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:02,640 serious drainage issue where every time 1650 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:05,360 it rains 1651 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:09,120 there are puddles on every corner. Is 1652 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:12,560 this is is there any plan for 1653 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,760 storm water management improvements that 1654 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,800 haven't been done yet? 1655 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:19,280 » Uh with what's been done that that will 1656 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,040 be the improvement. We are not coming 1657 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,679 back to do anymore. 1658 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:27,400 » So storm water infrastructure is done 1659 01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:27,400 instructure is complete. 1660 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,239 All right. 1661 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:36,280 Thank you for your time. 1662 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:36,280 » Okay. Thank you for coming tonight. 1663 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:43,640 » Any anything else to go to the order 1664 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,640 from any of the director staff? 1665 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,520 Okay. All right. We'll move on to 1666 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:51,719 commissioner reports and we'll begin 1667 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,719 with Commissioner Schwarz, please. 1668 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,320 » Thank you, Madam President. I have any 1669 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:59,040 uh updates other than to uh thank 1670 01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:01,120 everybody for uh accommodating uh my 1671 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,000 family this evening. I really appreciate 1672 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,440 it and I hope everybody has an excellent 1673 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,880 rest of your day. 1674 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:10,480 » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz. And we 1675 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:14,320 we hope uh little Theo feels better. So, 1676 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:16,239 um Commissioner Schwarz or Commissioner, 1677 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,000 » A couple of event reminders from the Re 1678 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:21,199 Parks Board coming up on Thursday, 1679 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,280 September 17th from 4:30 to 7 at Lower 1680 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:24,960 Community Park. It's 1681 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,199 which is a dog friendly event at the dog 1682 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,440 park and then Saturday October 17th from 1683 01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:30,880 10 to 2 at 1684 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:33,199 board is sponsoring a fall craft and 1685 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,640 harvest fair 1686 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:38,080 which can be more information can be 1687 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,679 found on the website and on Facebook 1688 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,640 and don't forget tomorrow's first day of 1689 01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:45,920 school we all know but stop for buses 1690 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:47,440 watch for kids 1691 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,600 » Thank you 1692 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:52,080 » Yeah I was just gonna say um good luck 1693 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:55,040 to all the students returning tomorrow 1694 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:58,239 And um also wanted to uh say to Captain 1695 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,679 Folks um you know 1696 01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:01,840 coaching baseball and being out in the 1697 01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:05,120 community around a 15 year old kids and 1698 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:08,560 and um the success of the the school 1699 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:11,120 resource officer program um and and in 1700 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:13,840 particular officer Lightner at the high 1701 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:16,960 school. Um hearing these young men the 1702 01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:20,239 way they talk about Officer Lightner uh 1703 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:24,239 he he has earned their respect and the 1704 01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:25,760 improvements and and just 1705 01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,320 I don't want to get into too much detail 1706 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:31,760 or whatever, but but just how much 1707 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,640 better that school is to attend for all 1708 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,800 the students because of his presence and 1709 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,120 um just the little things. I mean, he 1710 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,880 knows their birthdays. He say, you know, 1711 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:43,520 he sees them out in public. He talks to 1712 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:45,600 them. Um a bunch of the students were 1713 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,040 doing a pickle ball tournament um and 1714 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,280 they were short of team and officer 1715 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:53,520 Lightner and and uh and another has 1716 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,440 joined in to to round out the tournament 1717 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,600 and then they're apparently pretty good 1718 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,840 and disqualified themselves at the end 1719 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,679 so they couldn't win it and and let some 1720 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,120 other teams go on. But those are the 1721 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:04,640 little things that that really helped 1722 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,640 the community and really helped the 1723 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,400 school and I think that that school 1724 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,640 resource officer program has been a 1725 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,360 tremendous success and a large part of 1726 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:16,480 it is because of who's in place there 1727 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:19,360 and so excellent job an excellent job to 1728 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:21,199 officer. Thank you. 1729 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,679 I would echo those same sentiments from 1730 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:25,199 feedback from others at the high school. 1731 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:27,120 His presence is certainly very 1732 01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:30,080 wellreceived and very positive there. 1733 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:32,320 So, 1734 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,000 » Thank you, Madam President. Just uh a 1735 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,560 thank you to all the years of service 1736 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,840 folks uh tonight. 20 years and 30 years 1737 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:42,640 is a heck of a achievement here to the 1738 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,840 uh commendation. Thank you for your 1739 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:48,000 efforts during during the storm. 1740 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,440 Thank you. 1741 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,960 Um, and I'll just make a quick 1742 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,520 announcement. Um, just to remind the 1743 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,840 board that the annual Capcog golf and 1744 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,640 picnic um, and the annual meeting is 1745 01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,679 September 21st at the Armadage um, golf 1746 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:04,159 club golf course. Um, also wanted to 1747 01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:06,560 just uh, provide a quick shout out. Um, 1748 01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:09,600 this past Saturday u, manager Davis and 1749 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:13,360 I were involved in the the county 1750 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,719 commission for women and um, we 1751 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,960 basically were on the committee 1752 01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:19,760 spearheading the women in government 1753 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,199 that was hosted here on Saturday. And I 1754 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,880 just want to give a a shout out to 1755 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,600 Lauren Castleberry and and Megan 1756 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,480 Cleansing. Um they were panelists in the 1757 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,040 non-elected panel that day and they just 1758 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:32,719 did a fabulous job of really explaining 1759 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,600 um sort of how they became involved in 1760 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:38,159 the park and rec board and and sort of 1761 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,080 what their purpose is and and um why 1762 01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,679 they find it to be rewarding. And I I 1763 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,640 just think it's they're they're both 1764 01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:46,960 very valuable assets on the board and uh 1765 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:49,440 just appreciate them. serving in that 1766 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,520 capacity and also participating in our 1767 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:54,239 event this past Saturday. So, kudos to 1768 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,000 them. And again, I'll just echo the uh 1769 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:57,760 sentiments of the board that we hope 1770 01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,159 everyone and all the families in our 1771 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,800 township have a wonderful uh first day 1772 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,600 back to school and a safe year ahead. 1773 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,280 So, um with that, we'll turn to announce 1774 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,080 that the next meeting will be Monday, 1775 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:13,360 September 14th, 2026 at 6 o'clock p.m. 1776 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,600 here at the township. Um and we will at 1777 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,840 this time be recessing to executive 1778 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,760 session to discuss two matters. One of 1779 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,400 which is the appointments for boards and 1780 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:26,199 commissions and the second is a personal 1781 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,199 matter. Thank you. 1782 02:13:55,520 --> 02:14:01,119 few action items coming from our 1783 02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,800 executive session discussions. 1784 02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:05,119 » Yes, madame president. I'd like to make 1785 02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:07,199 a motion um for the reassignment of 1786 02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:10,159 duties for Keegan Toot from training and 1787 02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:12,480 volunteer coordinator to PSO at his 1788 02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:13,840 current salary. 1789 02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,360 Second. 1790 02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:18,800 » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown 1791 02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:21,520 and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any 1792 02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:23,840 questions or comments? 1793 02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:25,679 » All those in favor, please say I. 1794 02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:26,560 » I. 1795 02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:30,320 » I. 1796 02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:32,239 » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z. 1797 02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:34,880 » Madame President, I would make the 1798 02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:37,760 motion to engage and accept the fire 1799 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:39,199 chief recruitment proposal from GMP 1800 02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:40,960 Consultants. 1801 02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:42,320 » Second. I have a motion from Vice 1802 02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:43,920 President Ngi and a second from 1803 02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:46,480 Commissioner Brown. Any questions or 1804 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:48,960 comments? Okay, I'll call for the vote. 1805 02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:49,360 All those in favor, please say I. 1806 02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,239 » I. 1807 02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:51,119 » I. 1808 02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:56,079 » I. 1809 02:14:51,119 --> 02:14:58,000 » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to Z. 1810 02:14:56,079 --> 02:15:00,159 One last action item. 1811 02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:01,599 » Yes. I move to appoint Williamley as the 1812 02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:03,280 interim emergency operations 1813 02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:05,920 coordinator. 1814 02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:07,760 Second. 1815 02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:10,320 » Manager Davis. Do we need to clarify the 1816 02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:14,400 title of that? 1817 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:18,119 » It was emergency management. 1818 02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:18,119 » I'll withdraw my secondly 1819 02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:25,400 as the inter emergency operations 1820 02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:25,400 management coordinator. 1821 02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:31,280 » Emergency management. 1822 02:15:29,679 --> 02:15:33,119 » Okay, great. So, we have a motion from 1823 02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:35,679 Commissioner Brown and a second from Oh, 1824 02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:37,920 a motion from Commissioner. I'll second 1825 02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:40,639 » And a second from Commissioner Brown. 1826 02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:42,880 Um, any further questions or comments or 1827 02:15:40,639 --> 02:15:44,400 corrections? 1828 02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:46,719 » Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those 1829 02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:48,159 in favor, please say I. 1830 02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:48,719 » I. 1831 02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:51,520 » I. 1832 02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:53,599 » Any opposed? Okay, motion carries 5 to 1833 02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:55,040 zero. And I believe that concludes our 1834 02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:56,239 meeting for this evening. Unless there's 1835 02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:58,079 anything further. 1836 02:15:56,239 --> 02:16:01,960 » Okay, seeing none, the meeting is 1837 02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:01,960 adjourned. Have a good night.