[3:01] the Lower Island Township Board of
[3:02] Commissioners regular meeting of August
[3:04] 24th, 2026. The time is 6:02 p.m. Um
[3:09] we'll begin by um announcing that proof
[3:12] of publication is available for the
[3:14] meeting and we'll begin with a moment of
[3:16] silence followed by the pledge of
[3:17] allegiance. Please join me in a moment
[3:19] of silence now.
[3:28] Please stand for the pledge.
[3:48] Okay. And I'd like to um welcome
[3:50] everyone again to the meeting this
[3:51] evening. I'm I'm presiding this evening
[3:54] um uh with Commissioner Mooer,
[3:56] Commissioner Brown, Vice President Ngi,
[3:58] and I understand that Commissioner
[4:00] Schwarz is on the phone um remotely. Is
[4:03] that right, Commissioner Schwarz? Are
[4:05] you able to hear me? Okay,
[4:08] » I am. Thank you, Madam President. Can
[4:10] you hear me? All right.
[4:11] » Yes, we can. Thank you very much. Um,
[4:14] our first action item is approval of the
[4:16] meeting minutes from our regular meeting
[4:17] of July 27th, 2026.
[4:21] » If no corrections, I'll make a motion to
[4:22] approve the regular meeting minutes of
[4:24] July 27th, 2026.
[4:26] » Second.
[4:27] » Have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[4:29] and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any
[4:31] questions or comments?
[4:33] » Okay. Hearing none, I'll call for the
[4:34] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[4:37] » I. Any opposed? Motion carries five to
[4:42] zero. Okay. The next section of our
[4:44] agenda is for presentations and um begin
[4:48] with some employee recognitions both for
[4:50] awards and for performance award.
[5:19] work.
[5:28] Okay. Our first letter is for Russell
[5:30] Osen. Russell Olsen. He's a maintenance
[5:33] specialist in our public works
[5:35] department. Um I understand he's not
[5:37] here this evening, but I'm going to read
[5:38] the letter from the board. Um this
[5:40] correspondence is written as a
[5:41] commendation letter for your years of
[5:43] service to the township. Over your
[5:45] tenure at Lower Allen, you have grown in
[5:46] responsibility and tasks at a m as a
[5:49] maintenance specialist to in the public
[5:50] works department. Your commitment and
[5:52] dedication have not gone unnoticed and
[5:54] is with great pleasure that we issue
[5:56] this commendation letter honoring your
[5:58] five years of service to Lower Allen
[5:59] Township. So, let's give Russell a round
[6:02] of applause even [applause]
[6:07] Okay. And next we have
[6:13] Next we have Amy Nye. She's a emergency
[6:16] medical technician in our EMS
[6:18] department. Um I understand she's not
[6:21] here either, right? Okay. So, this
[6:23] correspondence is written as a
[6:24] commendation letter for your years of
[6:26] service to Lower Allen Township. Over
[6:28] your tenure at Lower Allen, you have
[6:29] grown in responsibility and tasks as an
[6:31] emergency medical technician in the EMS
[6:33] department. For your commitment and
[6:35] dedication have not gone unnoticed. It
[6:37] is with great pleasure that we issue you
[6:40] this commendation letter honoring your
[6:41] 20 years of service to Lower Township.
[6:44] So, thank you, Amy, and we'll make sure
[6:45] that you get your service.
[6:51] Okay. Next, we have Mr. Reynolds. If
[6:54] you'd like to come up here, please.
[6:58] Okay. Hi. How are you doing? All right.
[7:01] So, this is Char Charles Reynolds,
[7:03] better known as Charlie. Um, he's our
[7:06] fleet manager in our fleet department
[7:07] here at the township. And I'm going to
[7:08] read the letter from the board. This
[7:10] correspondence is written as a
[7:12] commendation letter for your years of
[7:13] service to Lower Allen Township. Over
[7:16] your tenure at Lower Allen, you have
[7:17] grown in responsibility and tasks such
[7:19] as as fleet manager in the fleet
[7:21] department. Your commitment and
[7:22] dedication have not gone unnoticed and
[7:25] it is with great pleasure that we issue
[7:27] you this commendation letter honoring
[7:28] your 20 years of service to lower
[7:31] township. So thank you very much for all
[7:33] that you do for the township.
[7:39] Please do.
[8:00] Okay. And next we have Stacy Morgan.
[8:04] Hi. Thanks for coming tonight. Um, this
[8:07] is Stacy Morgan, our planning technician
[8:09] in the CED department of Lower Allen
[8:11] Township. And this is correspondence is
[8:13] written as a commendation letter for
[8:15] your years of service to Lower Allen
[8:16] Township. Over your tenure at Lower
[8:18] Allen, you've grown in responsibility
[8:20] and tasks as a planning technician
[8:22] within the community and economic
[8:24] development department. Your commitment
[8:26] and dedication have not gone unnoticed.
[8:28] It is with great pleasure that we issue
[8:30] you this commendation letter honoring
[8:32] your 30 years of service to Lower Island
[8:34] Township, which is extremely impressive
[8:36] and we very much appreciate all that you
[8:38] do for the township. So, thank you so
[8:40] much.
[8:42] [applause]
[8:50] » Yeah, let me read the citation
[8:52] separately.
[8:59] We also have a a resolution. Um I'll
[9:03] read it and then we'll vote on it. Is
[9:06] that what we should Okay,
[9:08] » We'll just make sure you're you know
[9:10] approved. Um this is resolution 2026R-28
[9:14] which is a resolution of the board of
[9:16] commissioners of Low Township, Karland
[9:18] County, Pennsylvania recognizing Stacy
[9:20] L. Morgan. Whereas the board of
[9:22] commissioners of Lower Township desires
[9:24] to express its recognition and gratitude
[9:26] for 30 years of services provided by
[9:29] Stacy L. Morgan. And whereas Stacy first
[9:32] joined Lower Township in 1996 as a
[9:34] customer service representative in the
[9:36] community economic development
[9:38] department. And whereas Stacy then
[9:41] served as a codes technical assistant
[9:43] and whereas Stacy was appointed as
[9:45] planning technician. And whereas Stacy
[9:48] has served on several committees during
[9:50] her tenure and whereas Stacy has
[9:52] received many accolades from staff and
[9:54] citizens for a variety of reasons. I'm
[9:57] now hereby resolve that sincere
[9:59] gratitude and appreciation are hereby
[10:01] extended to Stacy El Morgan for her 30
[10:03] years of dedicated service to the
[10:05] citizens of Lower Township, Cumberland
[10:07] County, and that this recognition be
[10:09] spread upon the minutes and records of
[10:11] Lower Township for perpetuity. So, I'll
[10:13] call for the vote um for a motion to be
[10:16] made on the resolution for Stacy's
[10:18] recognition.
[10:19] » So, moved.
[10:21] » Okay. I have a motion from Vice
[10:22] President Negi and a second from
[10:23] Commissioner Brown. All those in favor,
[10:25] please say I.
[10:27] » I.
[10:28] » I.
[10:30] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. And
[10:33] thank you again for all that you do for
[10:34] the township and congratulations. 30
[10:36] years is a very impressive tenure. So,
[10:38] thank you.
[10:43] » [applause]
[11:05] » Okay. And last but not least, Mr.
[11:08] Powell, Director Powell.
[11:22] Okay. This is Benjamin Powell, PE,
[11:25] director of our public works department
[11:26] here at Lower Island Township, and we
[11:28] have a letter for you on behalf of the
[11:30] board. This correspondence is written as
[11:32] a commendation letter for going above
[11:34] and beyond. It was brought to the board
[11:36] of commissioners attention that during
[11:38] an unexpected storm emergency over the
[11:40] July 4th holiday that developed with
[11:42] little to no advanced wing, leaving no
[11:45] practical opportunity for normal
[11:46] preparation, uh you responded quickly
[11:48] and took initiative to coordinate among
[11:50] the volunteer fire companies, our public
[11:52] safety agencies, municipal personnel,
[11:55] and other emergency partners. By
[11:57] maintaining clear communication,
[11:59] identifying immediate needs, directing
[12:01] resources where they were most critical,
[12:03] and remaining actively engaged
[12:05] throughout the response, you helped
[12:06] ensure a coordinated and effective
[12:08] effort under rapidly changing
[12:10] conditions. Your calm leadership,
[12:13] flexibility, and willingness to take on
[12:15] responsibilities beyond your usual
[12:16] duties supported public safety and
[12:19] demonstrated an exceptional commitment
[12:21] to the community and the administration
[12:23] of the township. So, thank you very much
[12:25] for your actions that day, that weekend.
[12:29] [applause]
[13:03] Okay. And again, congratulations to all
[13:05] of our employee recognitions. And uh we
[13:08] just want to also thank all the family
[13:09] and friends who came tonight to show
[13:11] their support for these employees who
[13:13] are um greatly valued here at the
[13:15] township. So congratulations again.
[13:18] Um next we'll move to audience
[13:20] participation. This is where any item on
[13:22] the agenda or any business pertinent to
[13:24] the township can be addressed. We ask
[13:26] that all attendees sign in and those
[13:28] speaking should state their name and
[13:29] address for the record. Um, is there
[13:31] anyone here for purposes of discussion
[13:33] um with respect to the township or an
[13:36] agenda item tonight?
[13:41] Okay. And which which item would that
[13:42] be?
[13:44] Okay.
[13:46] Okay. Anyone else here to speak on an
[13:49] agenda item or township?
[13:52] Okay. Seeing none, we will move on. And
[13:54] when we get to that item, we'll we'll
[13:56] make sure that any questions or comments
[13:57] you have are addressed. Um, next is the
[14:00] consent agenda. This is where any
[14:02] commissioner, staff member, or anyone in
[14:03] attendance who would like to have an
[14:05] item on the consent agenda removed for
[14:07] further discussion can request so now.
[14:10] Is there a request for the removal of
[14:11] any item on the consent agenda?
[14:14] No objections, Madame President. We'll
[14:15] make a motion to accept the consent
[14:17] agenda.
[14:18] » Second.
[14:19] » A motion from Vice President Ngi and a
[14:21] second from Commissioner Moler. Any
[14:23] questions or comments?
[14:24] » Okay. Hearing none, I'll call for the
[14:26] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[14:29] » I.
[14:29] » Any opposed?
[14:30] » I.
[14:31] » Any opposed? Motion carries five to
[14:34] zero. And the consent agenda is
[14:35] approved. Um, our next item is to accept
[14:39] a motion to appoint Alex J. as the
[14:41] alternate member on the zoning hearing
[14:43] board for the remainder of the term
[14:44] ending December 31st, 2027.
[14:49] » Second.
[14:50] » I have a motion from Commissioner
[14:51] Mochler and a second from Commissioner
[14:53] Brown. Any questions or comments?
[14:56] » Okay. All those in favor, please say I.
[15:00] » I.
[15:01] » I.
[15:02] » Any opposed?
[15:04] Mot motion carries five to zero.
[15:07] And thank you to uh to this alternate
[15:11] member on the zoning hearing board.
[15:12] We're excited to have an alternate
[15:16] participation.
[15:18] Next, we will turn to human resources.
[15:21] And I believe Director Cone, you have
[15:22] two items for us tonight.
[15:25] » Yes, Madam President. Uh first item up
[15:28] is uh approving the completion of the
[15:31] pro or yeah discussion possible action
[15:32] approving completion of probate of the
[15:34] probationary period and granting regular
[15:37] full-time status to police corporal Tory
[15:39] Shily and that would be effective August
[15:41] 25th 2026 if approved. He's met all of
[15:44] his requirements and has had excellent
[15:45] evaluation.
[15:47] » Wonderful.
[15:49] » Any questions on this potential motion?
[15:53] » No questions. I'll make a motion to
[15:54] approve the um completion of the
[15:57] probationary period and grant regular
[15:59] full-time status to police corporal Tory
[16:01] Shily effective August 25th, 2026.
[16:05] » Second.
[16:05] » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[16:07] and a second from Commissioner. Any
[16:09] questions or comments?
[16:11] Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those
[16:13] in favor, please say I.
[16:15] » I.
[16:17] » I.
[16:18] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z.
[16:24] All right. And the next item is
[16:26] discussion and possible action accepting
[16:27] the retirement of David L. Hall,
[16:29] Director of Public Safety, effective
[16:31] September 4th, 2026.
[16:35] » I make a motion to accept the retirement
[16:37] of David L. Hall, Director of Public
[16:39] Safety, effective September 4th, 2026.
[16:44] » Second.
[16:45] » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[16:46] and a second from Commissioner. Any
[16:49] questions or comments?
[16:52] I'd like to thank Dave for his lifelong
[16:53] commitment to public safety and public
[16:55] service and wish him happy.
[16:58] » Thank you. Any further questions or
[17:00] comments?
[17:02] » Okay, hearing none. I'll call for the
[17:03] vote.
[17:03] » Just real briefly,
[17:06] » I'm sorry. I just wanted to apologize to
[17:08] Director Hall for not being there in
[17:10] person tonight. Um if it wasn't for a
[17:12] family emergency, I I would be there to
[17:15] uh um to uh wish you the best. But u
[17:20] anyway, I just wanted to
[17:21] Thank you.
[17:23] » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz. And I
[17:25] should note for the record, Commissioner
[17:26] Schwarz attendance virtually is
[17:29] acceptable.
[17:33] » Any further questions or comments?
[17:36] Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the
[17:37] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[17:41] » I.
[17:42] » Okay. Any opposed? Motion carries five
[17:45] to zero. And again, on behalf of the
[17:47] board, we wish Mr. Hall a very wonderful
[17:51] retirement.
[17:54] » Okay. Thank you, director.
[17:55] » Thank you, Madam President.
[17:58] » There's no items for public safety, so
[18:00] we'll move on to community economic
[18:01] development director, please.
[18:04] » Thank you, Madam President. Uh the first
[18:06] item is just a update on zoning hearing
[18:08] board. Uh there was no meeting in
[18:10] August. Uh and we have not received any
[18:12] applications to the deadline for the
[18:14] September meeting. So there will not be
[18:16] a September zoning.
[18:21] Uh second item uh is discussion and
[18:23] possible action approving the uh
[18:25] following waiverss associated with storm
[18:27] water management system for the proposed
[18:29] parking expansion at 30 385 Gettysburg
[18:32] road dairy farmers of America. Um and
[18:36] forgive me hindsight I probably should
[18:37] have provided a memo to the board. Um
[18:39] but just just to give a little context
[18:42] uh if the board may recall uh the
[18:44] Gettysburg portion of the old portion of
[18:47] Gettysburg road along dairy farmers was
[18:49] vacated. Um the right of way uh and
[18:52] there was a subdivision plan lot
[18:55] consolidation that the board approved
[18:57] and was supported as well. Uh what what
[19:00] that did was was help the existing dairy
[19:02] farmers of America parcel uh just just
[19:06] get in line with with a lot of
[19:08] nonconformities which included their lot
[19:10] coverage. Uh what they have done and
[19:14] they're they proposed a parking
[19:16] expansion which still complies with the
[19:19] existing law coverage but it will really
[19:21] help them out. Uh if the board recalls
[19:24] when when PepsiCo did when dairy farmers
[19:26] did the um a couple of presentation that
[19:30] they've done they just they just have a
[19:32] a large amount of a large volume of the
[19:36] Frappuccino that comes in and out of
[19:38] there and they have a they have a really
[19:39] tough time with their parking their
[19:41] trucks.
[19:42] this parking expansion, this uh they've
[19:45] proposed the storm water management uh
[19:47] system. Uh we've it's under review at
[19:50] this point, but with it uh they've got
[19:53] zero infiltration out there. Uh and
[19:55] because of that uh they are proposing
[19:57] the the managed release concept and with
[20:00] that of course the the volume from our
[20:04] storm water storm management ordinance.
[20:07] Also, um the minimum 12 in diameter pipe
[20:12] uh is is not necessary for the discharge
[20:15] pipe as we're reviewing this. So,
[20:17] they're also requesting um a a waiver of
[20:21] that and then the alternate proposed a
[20:23] discharge.
[20:27] So, our township engineer and staff
[20:30] would recommend.
[20:34] » Okay. Thank you, director. Any
[20:36] questions?
[20:37] engineer or director on these two items.
[20:50] Um if no questions, I will go ahead and
[20:53] make a motion to um
[20:56] approve the proposed parking expansion
[20:58] at 3805 Gettysburg Road to Dairy Farmers
[21:01] of America with the [clears throat]
[21:03] following waiverss. Section 184
[21:07] to require the removal of storm water
[21:09] volume and in the alternate permit
[21:11] Pennsylvania Department of Environmental
[21:13] Protection's managed release concept
[21:15] methodology.
[21:18] » Second.
[21:19] » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[21:20] and a second from Vice President Navy.
[21:22] Any questions or comments?
[21:25] » Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the
[21:26] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[21:28] » I.
[21:30] » I.
[21:30] » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to Z.
[21:34] Also, uh, section 184-19.G18
[21:39] to require a minimum 12in pipe diameter
[21:42] and privately owned storm water
[21:44] facilities and then the alternate allow
[21:46] a 6 in discharge.
[21:48] » Second.
[21:49] » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[21:50] and a second from Commissioner.
[21:54] Any questions or comments?
[21:56] » Okay. All those in favor, please say I.
[21:59] » I.
[22:01] » I.
[22:01] » Any opposed? Motion carries.
[22:05] Okay, moving on to the next item,
[22:08] please.
[22:08] » Thank you, Madam President. Uh, the next
[22:10] item is discussion of SLD
[22:14] number 2026-04.
[22:16] This is the Liberty Forge phase one
[22:18] final subdivision and land development
[22:20] plan. Um, just I I'll just give a a
[22:23] brief um just a just a brief summary of
[22:27] of the plan itself. Um, if the board
[22:30] recalls, uh,
[22:33] preliminary plan was was approved on
[22:36] January 26th of 2026. Uh that proposes
[22:40] 193 dwelling units
[22:42] uh age restricted 55 plus. Uh the the
[22:46] phase one plan before you is the final
[22:49] plan uh and it proposes the subdivision
[22:51] of the existing creekide mini golf
[22:54] course um and driving range. Um and lot
[22:57] two proposes the construction of 53 of
[23:00] the dwelling units, a community building
[23:04] and associated storm water open space,
[23:06] water line extension along Lisburn Road,
[23:09] and the roadway improvements.
[23:12] Uh tonight, uh RGS and the rest of the
[23:15] development team are here to present
[23:35] Good evening. Jake Kger from RGS
[23:37] Associates uh here on behalf of the
[23:39] applicant. Um EG Stoulles Foods. Um
[23:42] we're in front of you back in January as
[23:44] Isaac uh mentioned. Um so I'll be I'll
[23:47] be brief and just our review and um then
[23:49] we can I'll take any questions you might
[23:50] have. Um as mentioned the project's
[23:53] located at the old Liberty Forge at the
[23:55] location at the Liberty Forge golf
[23:57] course and uh dividing into two lots uh
[24:01] on the north side the driving range and
[24:02] restaurant and mini golf will remain um
[24:04] with the development um happening on the
[24:07] other the uh south side of Lisburn Road.
[24:10] Um the uh the district the zoning
[24:13] district is R2 with um and proposing an
[24:16] open space overlay. Um and as mentioned
[24:19] um phase one will include 53 uh units
[24:22] for um for phase one. Um a left turn
[24:25] lane along with pedestrian crossing
[24:27] signal is proposed at the site entrance
[24:29] um off of Lisburn Road. Uh and this HOP
[24:32] is currently in process at at PennDOT.
[24:35] Um emergency access will also be
[24:37] provided um through the existing drive
[24:39] paving um and with a temporary drive
[24:41] connection um
[24:44] temporary drive connection kind of off
[24:46] this edge here that will kind of connect
[24:48] to some of the existing paving for phase
[24:49] one.
[24:52] Um all waiverss proposed with this
[24:54] project are um for phase one are in line
[24:56] with the preliminary plans. Um and these
[24:58] were uh all recommended with the
[25:00] exception of the sidewalk modification
[25:02] along Lisburn. Um where in addition to a
[25:05] 10-ft trail of sidewalk on the on the
[25:08] north side um the board moved to defer
[25:10] sidewalk on the opposite side of Lisburn
[25:12] Road. Um I'm happy to review any other
[25:15] waivers that you have uh questions you
[25:16] have in regard to any waivers if
[25:18] desired. Um and then um the preliminary
[25:21] plan conditions have all been um all
[25:24] been addressed related to plan work um
[25:26] or will be addressed prior to recording.
[25:28] Uh remaining comments are uh
[25:30] administrative um in nature. Um and in
[25:34] addition, we've received a couple
[25:35] conditions from the planning commission
[25:36] and those have all been addressed as
[25:38] well um with the recommendation. So, I'm
[25:40] happy to answer any other questions you
[25:42] might have um or discussion um and we
[25:45] request your approval of the waiverss
[25:47] deferral and the plan tonight. Thank
[25:49] you.
[25:50] » Thank you.
[25:51] » Um I'll just start out. So, can you just
[25:53] specify what the condition was from the
[25:55] planning commission? Was that with
[25:56] respect to the lighting for the
[25:57] mailboxes?
[25:58] » Yes.
[25:59] » Was there anything else added?
[26:01] » The other conditions were for the tree
[26:04] cleanup along Lisburn um and um and that
[26:07] was already kind of addressed on the
[26:08] plans previously. So, the only new
[26:11] additional one was the lighting at the
[26:12] mailbox.
[26:13] » Okay. Thank you.
[26:15] » Okay. I'll open it up to the board for
[26:18] questions.
[26:24] » I guess I'll start. Madam President, so
[26:26] in the the memo information
[26:28] » We got I guess we'll go to Director
[26:30] Sweeney. Um,
[26:33] you know, sometimes a lot of our
[26:35] waiverss are to actually
[26:38] permit the applicant not to do things
[26:40] that they should be, you know, or due to
[26:42] certain specific reasons. But in this
[26:44] case, it actually seems like several of
[26:46] these are
[26:49] they're doing an alternate thing that's
[26:50] more preferential that actually would be
[26:53] better in the long term. Is that my
[26:55] understanding for several of these?
[26:58] I was gonna say given the site
[27:00] conditions
[27:02] and working through plan commission
[27:05] in a lot of cases all
[27:08] » Okay so in this case it's less of kind
[27:11] of exempting them from following certain
[27:13] rules and more so getting something
[27:15] better for what will be long term for
[27:18] the that community and the development
[27:20] » That is correct I mean the plane
[27:22] commission had strong feelings about the
[27:25] connectivity and walking
[27:36] Yeah, because I think I saw in that
[27:38] specific one, the sidewalk deferral
[27:40] number three by moving it to the the
[27:43] other side of Lisburn, it actually makes
[27:45] it a much safer walkway, getting it
[27:47] further off Lisburn Road than even
[27:50] though ideally it would be the same side
[27:52] as the development, but by crossing it
[27:55] over you safer walkway. Is that my
[27:57] understanding?
[27:58] » That is correct.
[27:59] » Okay.
[28:01] » Thank you.
[28:02] » I think just to add to that too, Vice
[28:04] President Naggie, by moving it to the
[28:06] other side, it allows more connect
[28:08] easier connectivity to the park, which I
[28:12] would imagine is the over overall goal
[28:14] in this area.
[28:17] And with respect to the crosswalk to get
[28:19] to the other side of this proposed
[28:22] trail, can you just explain sort of the
[28:24] safety features that will be in effect
[28:26] for the crosswalk?
[28:27] » Sure. So, it'll be a striped crosswalk
[28:29] and it'll have an overhead warning
[28:31] system um that we permitted through the
[28:33] PennDOT HOP. Um but it's it's similar to
[28:36] one that's proposed somewhere else in
[28:38] the township as far as the crossing and
[28:40] it's a lighted system.
[28:50] Okay. Any other questions from the board
[28:52] with respect to these waiverss or
[28:55] approvals in the alternate for some of
[28:57] these items?
[29:00] » From my end, these are pretty identical
[29:03] to what we've we've seen just a short
[29:05] time ago and approved. So I at this
[29:08] point I don't have any questions.
[29:12] Commissioner Schwarz, do you have any
[29:14] questions or insight from your role with
[29:16] the planning commission?
[29:20] » Um, the uh the only thing that comes to
[29:22] mind from the planning commission was
[29:25] the uh that that hasn't already been
[29:27] discussed. Um was the uh uh fire
[29:32] services uh request to uh use some of
[29:35] the existing buildings for training
[29:36] purposes. Have y'all been able to uh uh
[29:40] connect with somebody on our end about
[29:42] that? Uh I wasn't sure if if that had
[29:46] been accomplished.
[29:48] » Yeah.
[29:49] » Yeah. Yes. So that we reviewed that with
[29:51] staff and we've made some um adjustments
[29:53] as far as making sure we're compliant
[29:54] with the turning um and parking and
[29:56] things of that nature.
[30:02] » Oh, I meant more specifically about uh
[30:04] training.
[30:05] » Oh, understood. with the existing
[30:06] buildings. I I wasn't sure if that um if
[30:09] further discussion had been made about
[30:11] about that.
[30:14] » Oh, I'm sorry. Could you state your
[30:17] » Sure.
[30:17] » Before you speak. Thank you.
[30:19] » Ryan Ball with the applicant. So, that's
[30:22] still an open item. We're willing to
[30:24] work with emergency services for
[30:26] training purposes to the extent
[30:28] possible. The closing timeline on the
[30:30] project is still a moving target at this
[30:32] point. So, it all needs to be
[30:34] coordinated closely with that, but we'll
[30:36] absolutely follow.
[30:41] » Um, Commissioner Schwarz, were you able
[30:43] to hear that conversation?
[30:47] » I I I heard from the applicant and then
[30:49] I heard somebody indicating that they
[30:51] received the reach out. I think it might
[30:53] have been Captain Deon.
[30:54] » That was Yes, that was Captain Deep.
[30:56] Yep. Just want to make sure you heard
[30:58] that.
[31:00] » Okay, perfect. Thank you. That was all
[31:02] that that was the only outstanding issue
[31:04] that that uh came to mind from from the
[31:07] planning commission meeting. So, thank
[31:10] you very much.
[31:14] » Any other questions from the board? I'll
[31:16] open it up to the attendees. And I know
[31:19] you have mentioned that you'd like to
[31:21] potentially speak. Is there anything
[31:22] you'd like to address? Okay. Please come
[31:25] to the podium.
[31:31] Jamie Gun 3800 road mechanics.
[31:35] It's unclear to me on um item
[31:40] 1 A under C whether
[31:44] the BM on Lisburn Road
[31:48] is going to be increased in a way that
[31:52] makes it at least for a small section of
[31:55] Lisburn Road pass by Vic.
[32:01] You know, I understand that there's
[32:03] going to be a widening of the road so
[32:06] that there are two traffic lanes moving
[32:09] in opposite directions and a turn lane,
[32:12] but is there going to be additional
[32:14] widening of the road that would allow,
[32:18] you know, a two foot or
[32:22] some some BM beyond the travel or turn
[32:26] lanes that make it safe for bicycles or
[32:31] students
[32:34] » Aside from the trail that would that's
[32:36] being
[32:37] » Well yeah I mean bicycles go both ways
[32:40] so I don't know if your intention is for
[32:43] people that are bicycling along Lisburn
[32:45] road to use that trail I thought that
[32:49] was to be a pedestrian
[32:52] » Director who's best to answer that
[32:55] question for our
[32:57] I can certainly try. I I I'm not I I
[33:00] mean there is no the only proposed
[33:03] widening is is strictly to add the u the
[33:07] the lefth hand turn lane. Um I I believe
[33:11] uh that that PDO was not interested in
[33:14] in widening
[33:16] uh the the road along the frontage uh
[33:20] just because of the the oddity and the
[33:22] tapering of the widening. the tapering
[33:26] of the the lanes and uh the possible
[33:29] disorientation that it could cause for
[33:31] for drivers with that actual. So I there
[33:35] is no widening proposed except for right
[33:37] at the entrance to allow for the left
[33:40] hand turn.
[33:46] So it was mostly the the state's
[33:49] determination then on that widening
[33:51] abilities and safety of the bicycles.
[33:56] » And with regard to bicycles, I I'm not
[33:59] sure that I can answer that. I mean, I
[34:00] don't I don't know how we feel about
[34:02] having bic%
[34:07] that
[34:09] either.
[34:10] » I'm not sure how we would prevent that.
[34:13] How would we prevent bicyclist using the
[34:15] trail.
[34:16] » I don't think that's
[34:17] » Just as they would use.
[34:18] » I would say that's a good idea.
[34:20] » We have bicyclists using our walking
[34:22] trail right now behind the Bethany
[34:23] Village cottages walkers and not motori
[34:27] not not ebikes but bicyclists do use
[34:29] that trail.
[34:32] I think that would be an option for the
[34:34] residents.
[34:36] » It just seems a shame to miss an
[34:38] opportunity to make road safer for
[34:47] » Yeah. I think the other problem is too,
[34:49] you know, I live out past this. I drive
[34:52] past it several times every day. I I
[34:56] know there's a lot of bicycles on
[34:58] Lisburn Road, but I all the time Why I
[35:02] can think of
[35:04] less safe road than a 40 mile per hour
[35:07] road with all the ups and downs and the
[35:09] sharp turns. This particular section in
[35:11] my mind is one of the safer ones because
[35:13] you do have a better line of sight. You
[35:14] can see the bicycles. When you keep
[35:16] going up towards the township, you get
[35:18] into by the Canyon Creek development. I
[35:21] mean, there's nothing we can do about
[35:23] that. I mean this this small section
[35:25] here
[35:28] you know it's it's kind of a pendot
[35:29] thing be tough for us to overroll that
[35:32] anyway but I mean Lisburn road is just I
[35:36] I just think it's such a unsafe road to
[35:39] be traveling on a bicycle because of the
[35:41] speed and because of the the lack of
[35:44] line of sight you're coming over some of
[35:45] these hills when the bicycles you know
[35:47] you come over kind of come over down and
[35:50] come back up another one the bicycles
[35:52] are traveling extremely And you can't
[35:54] really see them in a lot of points until
[35:55] you're right on top of them.
[35:57] » I agree. I would not ble on that road
[36:00] and I travel that road frequently as
[36:02] well. And if there's something that can
[36:04] make it safer for the bicyclist and then
[36:07] by default safer for me as a motorist, I
[36:11] would be happy to see that type of
[36:13] improvement.
[36:15] » Yeah. I I don't think this stretch is
[36:17] probably our our concerns for bicycles
[36:20] on that road though. I mean, this is of
[36:25] I think.
[36:26] » Thank you for your comments. We
[36:28] appreciate it.
[36:31] » Okay, I'll turn back to the board to see
[36:32] if there's any other questions before we
[36:35] consider the waivers that are before us.
[36:42] » No other comments or questions. Madam
[36:43] President, I'll make a motion to approve
[36:46] the waiver section 192-57.
[36:50] C.1
[36:52] provide an increase in the pavement
[36:53] width of Lisburn Road along the frontage
[36:56] of the lot. But in the alternative, they
[36:58] will at the entrance provide a left turn
[37:01] lane on Lisburn Road with additional
[37:03] pavement widening.
[37:06] » We have a motion from Vice President Ngi
[37:08] and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any
[37:10] questions or comments?
[37:12] » Okay. All those in favor, please say I.
[37:15] » I.
[37:15] » I.
[37:16] » I.
[37:17] » Any opposed? Motion carries. Five to
[37:20] zero.
[37:21] Next, Madam President, I'll make a
[37:22] motion to accept the waiver for section
[37:25] 192-57.C.8
[37:28] to provide curbing along Lisburn Road
[37:31] and Old Forge Road and 8 in vertical
[37:34] curbs along the internal development
[37:37] streets. And in the alternate, they will
[37:39] install internal slant curbing for all
[37:41] internal development streets.
[37:44] » Okay, I have a motion from Vice
[37:46] President Ngi and a second from
[37:47] Commissioner. Any questions or comments?
[37:50] Those in favor, please say I.
[37:53] » I.
[37:54] » Any.
[37:55] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to zero.
[37:59] » Next, Madam President, we'll make a
[38:00] motion for the waiver section 192-57.
[38:05] C9 to provide sidewalks along both sides
[38:08] of internal development streets and
[38:11] frontages along Lisburn Road and Old for
[38:14] Road, Old Forge Road, excuse me. And in
[38:17] the alternate, they will replace with a
[38:19] five foot wide sidewalks on one side of
[38:21] all internal development streets and a
[38:24] six foot wide trail and open space areas
[38:27] and a 10- foot wide trail along the
[38:30] north side of Lisburn Road and a
[38:32] deferral providing sidewalks along
[38:35] Lisburn Road and Old Forge Road. And I
[38:40] um before I get a second, I just want to
[38:42] clarify the other part of that in the
[38:45] memo was would include a connection to
[38:49] township community. Is that correct?
[39:00] » Would it make sense to add that to the
[39:02] motion?
[39:04] » I think because it's going to be
[39:05] depicted on the plan
[39:10] as it stands. Okay.
[39:14] for a second.
[39:16] » Second.
[39:17] » Have a motion from Vice President and a
[39:19] second from Commissioner Brown. Any
[39:21] further questions or comments?
[39:24] » All those in favor, please say I.
[39:27] » I.
[39:28] » Any opposed?
[39:33] » Any opposed? Motion carries five to
[39:36] zero.
[39:37] » Okay. Our next paper
[39:39] » Next madam president section 192-57
[39:43] C9C
[39:45] to provide level sidewalk areas every
[39:48] 100 ft and in the alternate it will be
[39:50] replaced with sidewalks to match road
[39:53] grade.
[39:55] » I have a motion from vice president and
[39:57] a second from commissioner. Any
[39:59] questions or comments?
[40:02] » All those in favor please say I.
[40:04] » I.
[40:06] Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to zero.
[40:10] » Next, Madam President, section 192-63.
[40:14] C.1A
[40:16] to provide sidewalks no closer than 5T
[40:18] from the curb line and in the alternate
[40:21] will replace the sidewalks at 2 feet
[40:23] from curb line.
[40:26] » We have a motion from Vice President and
[40:28] a second from Commissioner. Any
[40:30] questions or comments?
[40:33] All those in favor, please say I.
[40:35] » I. Any opposed?
[40:38] » Sorry, Commissioner Schwarz. [laughter]
[40:41] Any opposed? Motion carries. Five to
[40:44] » Are you
[40:45] » Yeah. Am I coming through? Like are are
[40:47] you guys able to hear me?
[40:48] » Oh, absolutely. I just move on too
[40:51] quickly and it's my apology.
[40:54] » No, no worries. No worries. Okay. So,
[40:58] » Next, Madam President, we'll make a
[41:00] motion to accept the waiver for section
[41:02] 184-14
[41:04] to require the removal of storm water
[41:06] volume and in the alternate permit them
[41:09] via the Pennsylvania Department of
[41:10] Environmental Protections managed
[41:12] release concept methodology.
[41:15] » Second.
[41:15] » I have a motion from Vice President Ngi
[41:17] and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any
[41:20] questions or comments on this one?
[41:22] Okay. All those in favor, please say I.
[41:25] » I. I.
[41:27] » I.
[41:28] » Any opposed? Motion carries five to
[41:30] zero.
[41:32] » Oh boy. Next one. Section 192-63.A.2A1,
[41:40] section 184-19.G.16,
[41:44] and section 184-19.H7.7
[41:49] to provide type C inlet tops with 10in
[41:52] reveal and in the alternate permit slant
[41:55] top inlets to match the proposed
[41:57] curving.
[41:59] I have a motion from Vice President and
[42:01] a second from Commissioner. Any
[42:03] questions or comments
[42:06] hearing? None. I'll call for the vote.
[42:08] All those in favor, please say I.
[42:10] » I.
[42:12] » I.
[42:13] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z. And
[42:15] looks like our last one,
[42:17] » Section 192-57.
[42:20] C12B
[42:22] and section 184-19.G.21.
[42:27] to provide pavement based drains in all
[42:30] proposed internal development streets
[42:32] and in the alternate permit the
[42:34] installation of pavement base drains at
[42:36] all low points of the streets.
[42:39] » Okay, I have a motion from Vice
[42:40] President Ngi and a second from
[42:42] Commissioner Butchler. Any questions or
[42:44] comments on this last
[42:48] call for the vote? All those in favor,
[42:49] please say I.
[42:51] » I.
[42:53] » Any opposed? Last one carries 5 to
[42:59] looking for the overall approval of the
[43:03] phase one final subdivision.
[43:06] » Madam President, if no other questions
[43:08] or comments, we'll make a motion to
[43:10] approve
[43:11] 2026-04
[43:13] Liberty Forge phase 1 final subdivision
[43:16] and land development plan with the
[43:18] following conditions.
[43:20] Satisfy all remaining comments listed on
[43:22] RTU's letter dated August 14th, 2026.
[43:26] Satisfy all remaining comments listed on
[43:28] Cumberland County Planning Department's
[43:31] letter dated July 7th, 2026.
[43:34] And the planning commission's
[43:36] recommendation to provide adequate
[43:38] lighting for the residents at the
[43:40] cluster mailbox locations.
[43:44] » I have a motion from Vice President Ngi
[43:46] and a second from Commissioner. Any
[43:48] questions or comments?
[43:51] Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the
[43:52] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[43:55] » I.
[43:55] » I.
[43:56] » I.
[43:57] » Any opposed?
[43:59] » Motion carries 5 to zero. And thanks to
[44:02] the applicant for their presentation
[44:04] today and thank you for the township
[44:06] residents input over the course of this.
[44:09] And also thank you to our township
[44:11] engineer and staff for their help in our
[44:14] review of this plan. So, thank you very
[44:17] much. And I think that's all you had for
[44:18] us tonight, director.
[44:20] » Okay. All right. We'll move on to public
[44:23] works. Thank you.
[44:26] » Thank you, Madam President. Two items on
[44:28] the agenda tonight. Public works. First
[44:30] is uh for discussion possible action.
[44:33] This is for authorizing staff to sign an
[44:35] agreement with Mr. Rehab LLC, a co-stars
[44:38] vendor for the pipelining work in the
[44:41] amount of $146,657.78.
[44:46] I gave the I provided the board a memo
[44:49] outlining this work. Um I would mention
[44:51] in addition to that that this is budget
[44:54] item for this year. We have set aside
[44:56] $175,000. The work came in a little bit
[44:59] less than what we're expecting. So
[45:03] this would fall under that line.
[45:07] » Any further questions for director on
[45:09] this one?
[45:10] » Um no other questions. I'd like to make
[45:13] a motion to authorize staff to sign an
[45:15] agreement with Mr. Rehab LLC, a co-stars
[45:17] vendor for the pipelining work in the
[45:20] amount of $146,6578
[45:26] uh contingent upon the storm water
[45:28] authority approval.
[45:32] » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[45:34] and a second from Commissioner.
[45:38] » Any further questions or comments?
[45:41] Okay. All those in favor, please say I.
[45:44] » I.
[45:47] The hem
[45:50] any opposed? Motion carries. Five to
[45:53] zero.
[45:55] » Thank you.
[45:56] » He's really going through the right.
[45:58] » A poor little thing.
[46:03] » And the second item is for discussion,
[46:05] possible action. This is for approving a
[46:08] change order from EK Services. They're
[46:10] our contractor for the infrastructure
[46:12] project this year. Um this would be are
[46:15] changing the unit price for milling from
[46:17] $2.68 per square yard to $310 per square
[46:21] yard. And with the quantity that we have
[46:24] estimated, this would change the total
[46:26] contract price around 20 to $25,000. I
[46:30] outlined the reasons why.
[46:34] » Any questions for director on this
[46:35] change?
[46:37] » Just want to say thank you for the memo
[46:39] and the detailed information.
[46:42] From what I understand, it's like 1.2 2
[46:44] million project.
[46:47] » Yeah, that's the contract amount. The
[46:49] township will be paying for the asphalt
[46:51] separately. So, it is quite a bit more
[46:53] than that, but that's our contract
[46:56] price.
[46:58] » Just hearing all the benefits of what
[47:00] everything would bring the 20 to $25,000
[47:03] change order and the $1.2 million seems
[47:07] very minuscule. seems like we'd be
[47:10] foolish to not get through with it. I
[47:13] think it'll be a better product in the
[47:15] » End. I would agree. I think it would be
[47:17] negligent not to make this change after
[47:19] discovering this to to do it the right
[47:21] way and ensure it it lasts when it is a
[47:24] project of over a million dollars.
[47:26] » We are trying to budget too for next
[47:28] year just even get proper equipment so
[47:30] this doesn't happen again. So hopefully
[47:34] that investment will pay off so we're
[47:36] not in this place in the future as well.
[47:40] Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the
[47:42] change order from EK Services, Inc. Uh,
[47:45] changing the unit price for milling from
[47:47] $2.68 per square yard to $310 per square
[47:51] yard.
[47:52] » Second.
[47:53] » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[47:54] and a second from Vice President Nikki.
[47:56] Any questions or comments?
[47:59] » Okay, hearing none, I'll call for the
[48:00] vote. All those in favor, please say I.
[48:03] » I.
[48:04] » I.
[48:05] » Any opposed? Motion carries five to
[48:08] zero.
[48:11] Thank you, Director Powell.
[48:13] And Director, looks like you have one
[48:15] item for us tonight.
[48:17] » Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Um, we
[48:19] received the West Recreation
[48:21] Commission's
[48:22] budget and their proposed increase on
[48:25] the per capita amount that we pay to be
[48:27] participants. So, uh, director or I'm
[48:30] sorry, manager Davis and I had a meeting
[48:32] today with Todd Miller and just because
[48:34] I had a couple questions on some of
[48:36] their items. So, the increase from last
[48:39] year's per capita is 15, which isn't a
[48:42] lot. Basically, we're going to be paying
[48:44] $2,56455
[48:47] more than we paid um in 26 for 27. And
[48:52] since there is going to be the
[48:53] natiatorum
[48:55] uh renovations this coming year, they
[48:58] did decrease the revenues. Um it quite
[49:02] in line with how they decrease the
[49:04] expenses. The only expense that I had a
[49:06] question on was the actual aquatic fee
[49:08] that they have listed there because that
[49:09] didn't come down much. But he explained
[49:11] that is a 7%
[49:13] charge on the revenue they make and it's
[49:15] based on the previous year. So what they
[49:18] what they did in the fall of 26 is what
[49:20] they pay in February of 27. So we'll
[49:23] actually see that be less in their 28
[49:25] budget for what they do for the fall of
[49:28] 27 when the renovations will be going
[49:30] on.
[49:32] So everything looks in line. They're
[49:34] looking for us to um approve and agree
[49:38] if we want to be a part of it and then
[49:40] sign and return the authorization by
[49:42] September 30th. So if um the board would
[49:46] have anything want to discuss or
[49:49] so inclined to approve
[49:52] going forward tonight.
[49:55] » Thank you.
[49:57] » Any questions or comments for director
[49:59] on this item? I think um we do want to
[50:02] probably clarify in the motion language
[50:05] exactly what portion lower is
[50:07] responsible for versus the the total
[50:10] aggregate of the five municipalities. So
[50:13] maybe if we can
[50:15] » I have those.
[50:16] I'll but I'll give a chance. I don't
[50:17] know if Commissioner Schwarz wants to
[50:19] chime in as the um
[50:23] from there. Any other further thoughts?
[50:29] » Mr. Schwz, do you have anything else to
[50:31] add or from being on with the board?
[50:35] Uh yeah, the only other thing that I
[50:37] would add is uh the the specific
[50:40] shortfall that we're expecting for the
[50:43] uh mandatory enclosure is about $65,000
[50:46] in revenue. Um which uh the uh the
[50:51] increase in the per capita rate uh won't
[50:56] cover all of that. We're we're dipping
[50:58] into uh the commission's uh general fund
[51:02] balance um a bit to help cover that. um
[51:06] not putting all of the shortfall onto
[51:10] the municipalities but um and uh I also
[51:14] wanted to highlight in uh 23 24 and 25
[51:19] we uh approved um uh 10 cent per capita
[51:23] increases um to help keep up with uh
[51:27] rising costs. And so really uh this is
[51:32] more of a 5 cent uh per capita increase
[51:36] u attri attributable to the uh to the
[51:39] mandatorium closure. So, um I just
[51:43] wanted to put that out there for
[51:45] perspective. Um and uh so that uh we all
[51:50] sort of understand in the grand scheme
[51:52] of things it's it's not a huge increase
[51:54] and it'll help the organization uh
[51:57] continue to remain viable and provide uh
[51:59] good services to residents um and good
[52:02] recreation activities. So, um, so I'm
[52:06] all for it and if, uh, if anybody has
[52:09] any question additional questions,
[52:12] I'm happy to try to answer the best I
[52:15] can.
[52:17] » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz.
[52:19] » You know, I would echo those sentiments.
[52:21] I think for the the amount we pay, the
[52:24] the benefits are definitely mismatched.
[52:26] We we do a get a great service from them
[52:29] um for what the the true costs are. So,
[52:31] I will be happy to uh make the motion
[52:34] and accept the Westshore Recreation
[52:36] Commission's proposed fee increase from
[52:38] $3.30
[52:40] to $345
[52:42] per capita for 2027.
[52:45] The increase to Lower Allen Township at
[52:48] $2,56455
[52:53] with a total payment of $58,98465.
[53:04] A motion from Vice President and a
[53:07] second from Commissioner Brown. Sorry,
[53:10] it was just because of the time delays,
[53:12] but [laughter]
[53:13] » That's fine.
[53:14] » Okay.
[53:16] Um, so we have a a motion and a second,
[53:18] so I'll call for the vote. All those in
[53:20] favor, please say I.
[53:22] » I.
[53:22] » I.
[53:23] » I.
[53:24] » Any opposed?
[53:26] Okay. Motion carries five to zero. And
[53:28] again, just want to echo every
[53:30] sentiments in terms of the um the the
[53:32] programs that the commission provides to
[53:34] our township and local community and
[53:36] we're glad to have them continuing their
[53:38] their programs.
[53:42] » That's everything from Okay. Thank you,
[53:44] Director. And we'll turn to Manager
[53:46] Davis. Looks like you have a few items
[53:47] to cover.
[53:48] » Thank you, Madam President. Appreciate
[53:50] it. Um yeah, my first item for
[53:52] discussion and possible action would be
[53:54] to authorize the manager to provide
[53:56] formal notice to the Cland County adult
[53:59] probation office that the township will
[54:01] not be offering the use of the township
[54:03] facilities including Boris Hall meeting
[54:06] space for the county's DUI school
[54:07] effective January 1st of 2027.
[54:10] We've identified that the meeting space
[54:12] is no longer conducive for their meeting
[54:14] needs and so we'd like to get this
[54:16] letter out to them to give them ample
[54:17] time to make other arrangements. Thank
[54:19] you. Any questions on this item?
[54:26] » I'll move to authorize the manager to
[54:27] provide formal notice to Cumberland
[54:29] County that the township will not be
[54:31] offering township facilities
[54:34] including meeting space for the county
[54:36] program effective January 1st.
[54:39] » Second.
[54:40] » Okay. I have a motion from Commissioner
[54:42] and a second from Commissioner Brown.
[54:44] Any questions or comments?
[54:47] Hearing none, I'll call for the vote.
[54:48] All those in favor, please say I.
[54:51] » I.
[54:51] » I.
[54:52] » I.
[54:53] » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to zero.
[54:57] » Thank you. Next item would be for
[54:59] discussion and possible action. This
[55:01] would be to approve a policy making the
[55:03] health savings account or HSA plan
[55:05] mandatory for all new nonuniform
[55:08] employees requiring health insurance
[55:09] effective August 25th, 2026. I have a
[55:13] memo in your packet and as we've
[55:14] discussed with the board,
[55:16] representatives have indicated that we
[55:18] will u continue to receive increases in
[55:21] our healthcare costs. Uh we had a 20%
[55:23] increase in 26. Uh they're projecting
[55:26] 15%. Um we expect to receive those
[55:28] numbers in midocctober closer to our
[55:30] budget time. Requiring these new hires
[55:34] to enroll will help to mitigate the cost
[55:35] increase experienced by the township. It
[55:38] will take time for the savings to be to
[55:40] be quantified but the requirement will
[55:41] be the start for for that beginning that
[55:44] process as more employees
[55:46] plan. Um, it'll also allow employees to
[55:50] build uh savings for healthare costs now
[55:52] and into retirement. So, I'm just
[55:54] looking for discussion from the board
[55:57] and we'll help to enter or happy to
[55:58] entertain any questions you may have
[56:00] about this
[56:04] » Question.
[56:09] Start day one.
[56:11] » Correct.
[56:11] » Correct.
[56:14] » December.
[56:15] um a little earlier than that, November
[56:18] for January, but yes, around that time.
[56:20] Commissioner Mler,
[56:24] » I was just going to say thank you for
[56:25] sharing all the information on on the
[56:27] plan and it looks like an excellent
[56:29] plan. So,
[56:31] I have no issue making it mandatory
[56:33] because I would really like to have this
[56:35] plan myself. So,
[56:38] if there's no other questions, I would
[56:40] make a motion to approve
[56:44] the polic making the health savings
[56:46] account plan mandatory for all new
[56:48] non-uniform employees requiring health
[56:50] insurance effective August 25th, 2026.
[56:55] » I have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[56:57] and a second from Commissioner. Any
[56:59] questions or comments?
[57:02] I hear none. I'll call for the vote. All
[57:03] those in favor, please say I.
[57:06] » I.
[57:07] » I.
[57:08] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z.
[57:11] Thank you for bringing this to our
[57:13] attention. Absolutely. Um the next item
[57:16] I have for discussion on possible action
[57:18] this would be to authorize a manager to
[57:19] establish a public safety committee uh
[57:22] including key staff volunteer fire
[57:24] company chiefs and appointed
[57:25] commissioners as primary leazison and
[57:27] alternate or secondary leazison to the
[57:29] committee. I included a memo in your
[57:32] packet. um happy to entertain any
[57:34] questions, but I think it would be
[57:35] important for us to uh start this
[57:37] committee and have a consistent process
[57:39] for reviewing community safety needs,
[57:42] developing recommendations concerning
[57:44] police, fire, rescue, EMS, and emergency
[57:46] management and preparedness matters. And
[57:49] I'd like to start meeting um initially
[57:51] monthly and then we can determine
[57:53] scheduling um from that point forward.
[57:57] » Thank you. That sounds like a very very
[57:59] good idea. open it up to any questions
[58:02] about this committee.
[58:04] » No, I think the success of the the
[58:06] finance committee, this would apply
[58:09] perfectly here. This is a great
[58:10] application for that and I think would
[58:12] go a long ways to to getting everyone on
[58:14] the the same page and bringing the
[58:18] volunteers into more of the township
[58:19] processes so they're the township
[58:22] processes are less of a mystery and less
[58:24] misunderstood. So, I think this is a
[58:27] great idea to get everyone on the same
[58:28] page.
[58:33] comments
[58:37] for a motion to authorize
[58:39] Davis to establish a committee.
[58:42] » Madam President, we'll make the motion
[58:43] to authorize Manager Davis to establish
[58:46] a public safety committee including key
[58:48] staff, volunteer fire company, fire
[58:50] chiefs, and appointed commissioners as a
[58:53] primary liaison and alternate secondary
[58:56] liaison.
[58:58] » We have a motion Vice President and a
[59:00] second from Commissioner Mler. Any
[59:02] questions or comments?
[59:04] » Madam President, the only question I
[59:06] have is I assume I would be keeping the
[59:08] leazison the same as we have already
[59:09] established for our public safety
[59:11] department, which would be Vice
[59:12] President Naggie and Commissioner Brown.
[59:15] » We can open that up.
[59:18] » I'm not opposed to it, but I know we had
[59:22] the traffic committee
[59:26] on
[59:31] more than
[59:40] any objections to
[59:44] Vice President and Commissioner Brown
[59:46] being our objections from any other
[59:49] commissioner.
[59:52] » I I don't I'm I'm fine with that. Um and
[59:56] if they're uh
[59:58] If there are uh specific uh uh public
[1:00:01] safety initiatives around uh traffic
[1:00:04] calming and uh pedestrian bicyclist
[1:00:07] safety, uh I would uh probably on an ad
[1:00:11] hoc basis express my interest and see if
[1:00:13] we can just work something out. So, but
[1:00:15] I think for general purposes, I'm
[1:00:19] perfectly fine uh uh Vice President Navy
[1:00:23] and Commissioner Brown to uh take the
[1:00:26] lead on that.
[1:00:28] Okay, thank you Commissioner Schwarz. So
[1:00:30] I guess could we make the motion twofold
[1:00:33] then
[1:00:35] authorizing the formation of the
[1:00:37] committee and then also appointing our
[1:00:39] leaison.
[1:00:55] » Okay.
[1:00:57] Okay. So, let's um vote. We have a
[1:00:59] motion from Vice President Ngi and a
[1:01:01] second from Commissioner Moler on the
[1:01:02] authorization to establish the
[1:01:04] committee. Um all those in favor, please
[1:01:06] say I.
[1:01:07] » I.
[1:01:08] » I.
[1:01:09] » I.
[1:01:10] » Okay. Any opposed? All right. That
[1:01:12] motion carries. And then secondarily,
[1:01:15] we'd be looking for a motion just to
[1:01:17] underneath this authorization to appoint
[1:01:20] the primary and secondary leazison from
[1:01:22] the board.
[1:01:23] » Make a motion. Vice President.
[1:01:33] » Okay, I have a motion from Commissioner
[1:01:35] Mler and a second from Commissioner
[1:01:37] Schwarz. Any questions or comments?
[1:01:40] » Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those
[1:01:41] in favor, please say
[1:01:42] » I.
[1:01:45] » I.
[1:01:46] » Any opposed? Okay, motion carries five
[1:01:49] to zero. And looks like you have one
[1:01:52] more note for us.
[1:01:53] » Yes, just one more note to to remind you
[1:01:55] that we have an open house scheduled.
[1:01:57] It's prior to our next meeting. There's
[1:01:59] a flyer in your packets that explains
[1:02:00] the details. Um, and we'll also at that
[1:02:02] same meeting be having a presentation
[1:02:04] from Seth Barry on our solar panels at
[1:02:07] the beginning of that meeting. So, just
[1:02:08] wanted to remind the commissioners about
[1:02:09] that.
[1:02:11] » Sounds like a great open house and look
[1:02:13] forward to attending it.
[1:02:16] » All right. Um, with that, we will open
[1:02:19] up the meeting just if there's anything
[1:02:20] for the good of the order from our
[1:02:22] solicitor, director. Any residents in
[1:02:26] attendance?
[1:02:28] » Yes, sir.
[1:02:36] » Hi. If you could just state your name
[1:02:37] and address.
[1:02:38] » Paul Stagger, 32 Scarsdale Drive, Ross
[1:02:41] Point Manor, Lauren Township. Um,
[1:02:45] obviously we've had a big project going
[1:02:47] on in our neighborhood. Uh, I just had
[1:02:50] some questions I was hoping I could get
[1:02:52] some answers on. Um
[1:02:56] » The the curbing
[1:02:59] is that being replaced as part of the
[1:03:01] paving project?
[1:03:02] » We'll turn it over to director.
[1:03:04] » Curving is not being replaced. Curving
[1:03:06] is the ultimate responsibility of the
[1:03:08] property. So
[1:03:09] » Okay. So even even though the curbing
[1:03:11] has a footing that extends 12 in out
[1:03:14] into the street,
[1:03:15] » The gutter line, we're not repl
[1:03:21] in areas where
[1:03:23] the the curb line is the curb reveal is
[1:03:27] only about one to two inches or totally
[1:03:29] deteriorating.
[1:03:32] » That's not being replaced. So you're the
[1:03:34] the intention is to repave the street
[1:03:37] brand new scratch course wearing course.
[1:03:42] » So if if a home if a homeowner wants to
[1:03:46] replace the curving,
[1:03:49] they have to dig up the street.
[1:03:51] » Correct.
[1:03:53] 12 in out.
[1:03:55] » We would we would we would likely just
[1:03:58] make them do a vertical curve. We would
[1:03:59] not replace the curve gutter because
[1:04:01] we're just paving over the curve gutter.
[1:04:03] » Okay.
[1:04:04] » We're paving over the the concrete
[1:04:05] gutter line that's there today.
[1:04:08] That's part of the change order that was
[1:04:10] so we are milling that down to provide
[1:04:13] sufficient cover of the pavement over
[1:04:15] top of that existing gut line that we
[1:04:18] weren't aware. So to match the curb
[1:04:22] reveal
[1:04:24] » We'll be we'll be replacing
[1:04:26] » You won't be hitting four inches
[1:04:29] » Of curb reveal you you might be hitting
[1:04:32] one.
[1:04:32] » So whatever whatever is there should be
[1:04:35] matching.
[1:04:36] » Okay. So that is the homeowner's
[1:04:37] responsibility.
[1:04:38] » So if we want to replace our curving
[1:04:41] we have to have someone dig up the brand
[1:04:45] new street.
[1:04:47] That's why that's why a year ago we had
[1:04:49] sent the correspondence out to all the
[1:04:51] property owners letting them know if you
[1:04:54] need any issues or if you have any
[1:04:55] issues with your property and you need
[1:04:58] to replace it now is the time to do so
[1:05:01] that a year ago.
[1:05:07] So ENK
[1:05:09] had a change order that increased the
[1:05:12] milling
[1:05:14] price by about 16%. That was approved.
[1:05:21] » Okay.
[1:05:24] Does it does this does this seem like it
[1:05:28] should fall like when the houses when
[1:05:30] the houses were built
[1:05:32] did the home the first time home buyers
[1:05:36] buy the curb?
[1:05:38] » I can't answer.
[1:05:45] » I don't have that. I don't have that. Do
[1:05:47] do you see where I'm come like where I'm
[1:05:50] asking
[1:05:51] » Like where I'm coming from with the
[1:05:53] question?
[1:05:53] » Right. You're you're looking for the
[1:05:55] township to replace all the curb as part
[1:05:57] » I I'm just I it to it to me it makes
[1:06:00] more sense. Why wouldn't the curb be
[1:06:03] replaced with if you're doing a full
[1:06:05] depth replacement why wouldn't the curb
[1:06:08] be replaced?
[1:06:10] » I mean part of it concern cost. That's a
[1:06:15] that's a huge undertaking.
[1:06:16] » Yeah, I No, I I understand that. I'm an
[1:06:19] engineer.
[1:06:19] » What's the value we're getting back out
[1:06:21] of it?
[1:06:22] » Okay. You know,
[1:06:22] » But have you seen the curbs in Ross?
[1:06:25] Man,
[1:06:26] » Understand
[1:06:30] where we supposed to pull this? We don't
[1:06:32] have
[1:06:35] » K just asked for a 16% increase in
[1:06:38] milling
[1:06:39] » On a $1.2 million project. It's going to
[1:06:42] cost an additional $20,000.
[1:06:47] » Was ENK a low bid, no bid, or merit bid?
[1:06:50] » They were the lowest responsible.
[1:06:52] » Lowest responsible bidder. Okay.
[1:06:57] All right.
[1:06:59] So, if we want to replace our curbs, we
[1:07:03] are responsible for digging up the
[1:07:05] street, right?
[1:07:08] And how long has that always been the
[1:07:10] boss?
[1:07:12] » I I don't know the history of our
[1:07:14] ordinances, but that would go back.
[1:07:16] » I'm I'm I'm just asking if if that
[1:07:19] changed at some point because obviously
[1:07:21] you have houses that were built in the
[1:07:22] 50s and 60s
[1:07:25] that the curbs were all installed when
[1:07:29] the street was paved.
[1:07:32] So, at what point did it change to where
[1:07:37] the homeowner became responsible for the
[1:07:39] curb?
[1:07:40] » Again, I don't have the answer.
[1:07:43] » It just
[1:07:45] » Again sir. Yes, the sidewalks and curbs
[1:07:48] are are the responsibility of the
[1:07:50] property owner of the first class
[1:07:51] township code. And that would be true in
[1:07:54] any first class township in the
[1:07:56] » So even though they have a footing that
[1:07:57] goes underneath the public street
[1:08:00] » And again
[1:08:01] I'm I'm only telling you the general
[1:08:03] law. The streets were dedicated when the
[1:08:05] developer completed Rossmo Manor. Okay.
[1:08:07] So, I don't I and again I don't know who
[1:08:09] the engineer approved it that way, but
[1:08:11] that those public improvements were
[1:08:13] accepted by the township, but the
[1:08:15] ongoing maintenance of those curbs and
[1:08:17] sidewalks of the property owner and if
[1:08:19] they aren't done at some point in time,
[1:08:20] there can be assessments levied against
[1:08:22] those property owners.
[1:08:23] » Okay? Including the footing that goes
[1:08:25] underneath the public street just to be
[1:08:27] clear.
[1:08:28] » And again, if that's part of the the
[1:08:30] curving in sidewalk then my answer is
[1:08:32] yes. I just I'm not an engineer but I
[1:08:34] don't see that plan but that ordinarily
[1:08:36] is true of our township and any other
[1:08:38] township.
[1:08:41] » Are you able to weigh in on this at all
[1:08:44] from your engineer perspective?
[1:08:47] I was going to say from that
[1:08:49] perspective, yes, it is part of the
[1:08:51] curve and under the first class code, it
[1:08:54] is someone's responsibility because it's
[1:08:57] designed as a curve to gutter and it's
[1:09:00] considered one.
[1:09:05] » Okay.
[1:09:06] » So, unfortunately, that sounds like the
[1:09:07] way that it
[1:09:09] » I just I just wanted to ask
[1:09:11] » Yeah.
[1:09:12] » Get an answer. And the question is for
[1:09:15] from for from for me is you're taking
[1:09:17] the time to do this project to repave
[1:09:22] the road. Wouldn't it make sense to just
[1:09:26] do it all in one?
[1:09:28] But I mean, we've had several problems.
[1:09:31] I've already replaced the struts on my
[1:09:34] Jeep in my just driving down the road.
[1:09:38] It's this has been an ongoing problem.
[1:09:39] There have been sink holes.
[1:09:41] numerous problems and I just don't
[1:09:44] understand why we wouldn't
[1:09:48] just do it all as one part of
[1:09:51] one one single project.
[1:09:57] » Again, we're not we haven't been
[1:10:00] replacing any curbs. We don't intend to
[1:10:01] replace curbs. That's beyond our scope
[1:10:04] of work.
[1:10:04] » So are you so if we so as a homeowner as
[1:10:08] somebody who wants to replace
[1:10:10] curb. Is it appropriate to just saw cut
[1:10:12] down and leave
[1:10:14] » The footing in place?
[1:10:16] » Again, that would be the most They're
[1:10:18] going to have to excavate that out
[1:10:19] anyway, the gutter line.
[1:10:22] » Why didn't they do that when they did
[1:10:23] the ADA ramps?
[1:10:27] » They did.
[1:10:29] » Did So, so they did that, but they
[1:10:33] » You won't do that with the street,
[1:10:36] » Right? Because 16 feet around the corner
[1:10:38] of the curve is a lot
[1:10:41] That's that's a federal law that comes
[1:10:42] into play for the township.
[1:10:45] » The ADA is a federal law we have to
[1:10:46] adhere to,
[1:10:47] » Right? And I'm all in I don't know if
[1:10:50] you remember me, I was here before and
[1:10:51] in support of the ADA ramps.
[1:10:54] » Yes.
[1:10:54] » Because there were people who are
[1:10:56] opposed to it,
[1:10:57] » Right?
[1:10:57] » Which I don't understand that. It just
[1:11:00] doesn't make sense to me
[1:11:03] that these aging curbs which are going
[1:11:07] to be deteriorated very soon or already
[1:11:10] deteriorated wouldn't be replaced when
[1:11:12] you're ready to put a new at least one
[1:11:16] and a half inch scratch course and
[1:11:17] wearing course on top.
[1:11:21] I guess solicitor minor I guess the
[1:11:23] answer is it's within within the code
[1:11:26] it's not we're not even able to do that.
[1:11:29] Is that correct? Well, I think it's a
[1:11:31] budget matter as well, but I mean I
[1:11:33] think that the rationale with the
[1:11:35] legislature when they wrote the code was
[1:11:36] that should be the homeowner's
[1:11:38] responsibility and and again that's been
[1:11:41] that way as long as there's first class
[1:11:42] and I think that's also true in other
[1:11:44] townships codes. But certainly that's
[1:11:45] been true since the first class township
[1:11:47] code was enacted and they just
[1:11:49] recottified it in 2026. It's still there
[1:11:52] » And I just need to comment our last
[1:11:54] paving project in Allenale we did not
[1:11:55] replace curves and we had some similar
[1:11:57] situations. So some home homeowners
[1:11:59] maybe cutting at the connection to the
[1:12:03] street. But that's been our consistent
[1:12:05] process here to follow the first class
[1:12:06] township code. So I've been here through
[1:12:08] several paving projects. It's consistent
[1:12:11] how we've been the projects.
[1:12:13] » Okay. Does it does it seem prudent from
[1:12:17] a budget standpoint to
[1:12:20] saw cut
[1:12:22] the curb and just replace it in kind
[1:12:25] right there and not replace the footing?
[1:12:30] I'm you're saying for the township to do
[1:12:33] all that work
[1:12:38] some of the neighbors some of the
[1:12:39] neighborhoods have the actual gutter the
[1:12:41] footing as you're calling it to the curb
[1:12:43] some don't in either case no matter
[1:12:46] whether it's a straight curve or the
[1:12:48] curb and gutter system our intention is
[1:12:50] not to
[1:12:52] » All right so I I live at the corner of
[1:12:54] Scarzil in the Bonsza and we have a
[1:12:57] serious drainage issue where every time
[1:12:59] it rains
[1:13:02] there are puddles on every corner. Is
[1:13:05] this is is there any plan for
[1:13:09] storm water management improvements that
[1:13:12] haven't been done yet?
[1:13:13] » Uh with what's been done that that will
[1:13:16] be the improvement. We are not coming
[1:13:19] back to do anymore.
[1:13:21] » So storm water infrastructure is done
[1:13:23] instructure is complete.
[1:13:28] All right.
[1:13:30] Thank you for your time.
[1:13:32] » Okay. Thank you for coming tonight.
[1:13:36] » Any anything else to go to the order
[1:13:38] from any of the director staff?
[1:13:44] Okay. All right. We'll move on to
[1:13:46] commissioner reports and we'll begin
[1:13:47] with Commissioner Schwarz, please.
[1:13:51] » Thank you, Madam President. I have any
[1:13:54] uh updates other than to uh thank
[1:13:56] everybody for uh accommodating uh my
[1:13:59] family this evening. I really appreciate
[1:14:01] it and I hope everybody has an excellent
[1:14:04] rest of your day.
[1:14:05] » Thank you, Commissioner Schwarz. And we
[1:14:06] we hope uh little Theo feels better. So,
[1:14:10] um Commissioner Schwarz or Commissioner,
[1:14:14] » A couple of event reminders from the Re
[1:14:16] Parks Board coming up on Thursday,
[1:14:18] September 17th from 4:30 to 7 at Lower
[1:14:21] Community Park. It's
[1:14:23] which is a dog friendly event at the dog
[1:14:24] park and then Saturday October 17th from
[1:14:27] 10 to 2 at
[1:14:29] board is sponsoring a fall craft and
[1:14:30] harvest fair
[1:14:33] which can be more information can be
[1:14:34] found on the website and on Facebook
[1:14:38] and don't forget tomorrow's first day of
[1:14:39] school we all know but stop for buses
[1:14:42] watch for kids
[1:14:45] » Thank you
[1:14:47] » Yeah I was just gonna say um good luck
[1:14:49] to all the students returning tomorrow
[1:14:52] And um also wanted to uh say to Captain
[1:14:55] Folks um you know
[1:14:58] coaching baseball and being out in the
[1:14:59] community around a 15 year old kids and
[1:15:01] and um the success of the the school
[1:15:05] resource officer program um and and in
[1:15:08] particular officer Lightner at the high
[1:15:11] school. Um hearing these young men the
[1:15:13] way they talk about Officer Lightner uh
[1:15:16] he he has earned their respect and the
[1:15:20] improvements and and just
[1:15:24] I don't want to get into too much detail
[1:15:25] or whatever, but but just how much
[1:15:28] better that school is to attend for all
[1:15:31] the students because of his presence and
[1:15:34] um just the little things. I mean, he
[1:15:36] knows their birthdays. He say, you know,
[1:15:39] he sees them out in public. He talks to
[1:15:40] them. Um a bunch of the students were
[1:15:43] doing a pickle ball tournament um and
[1:15:45] they were short of team and officer
[1:15:47] Lightner and and uh and another has
[1:15:51] joined in to to round out the tournament
[1:15:53] and then they're apparently pretty good
[1:15:55] and disqualified themselves at the end
[1:15:57] so they couldn't win it and and let some
[1:15:59] other teams go on. But those are the
[1:16:01] little things that that really helped
[1:16:03] the community and really helped the
[1:16:04] school and I think that that school
[1:16:06] resource officer program has been a
[1:16:08] tremendous success and a large part of
[1:16:10] it is because of who's in place there
[1:16:13] and so excellent job an excellent job to
[1:16:16] officer. Thank you.
[1:16:19] I would echo those same sentiments from
[1:16:21] feedback from others at the high school.
[1:16:23] His presence is certainly very
[1:16:25] wellreceived and very positive there.
[1:16:27] So,
[1:16:30] » Thank you, Madam President. Just uh a
[1:16:32] thank you to all the years of service
[1:16:34] folks uh tonight. 20 years and 30 years
[1:16:36] is a heck of a achievement here to the
[1:16:39] uh commendation. Thank you for your
[1:16:42] efforts during during the storm.
[1:16:45] Thank you.
[1:16:48] Um, and I'll just make a quick
[1:16:49] announcement. Um, just to remind the
[1:16:50] board that the annual Capcog golf and
[1:16:53] picnic um, and the annual meeting is
[1:16:55] September 21st at the Armadage um, golf
[1:16:58] club golf course. Um, also wanted to
[1:17:01] just uh, provide a quick shout out. Um,
[1:17:04] this past Saturday u, manager Davis and
[1:17:06] I were involved in the the county
[1:17:09] commission for women and um, we
[1:17:13] basically were on the committee
[1:17:14] spearheading the women in government
[1:17:16] that was hosted here on Saturday. And I
[1:17:19] just want to give a a shout out to
[1:17:21] Lauren Castleberry and and Megan
[1:17:22] Cleansing. Um they were panelists in the
[1:17:25] non-elected panel that day and they just
[1:17:28] did a fabulous job of really explaining
[1:17:31] um sort of how they became involved in
[1:17:32] the park and rec board and and sort of
[1:17:35] what their purpose is and and um why
[1:17:38] they find it to be rewarding. And I I
[1:17:40] just think it's they're they're both
[1:17:41] very valuable assets on the board and uh
[1:17:44] just appreciate them. serving in that
[1:17:46] capacity and also participating in our
[1:17:49] event this past Saturday. So, kudos to
[1:17:51] them. And again, I'll just echo the uh
[1:17:54] sentiments of the board that we hope
[1:17:56] everyone and all the families in our
[1:17:57] township have a wonderful uh first day
[1:18:00] back to school and a safe year ahead.
[1:18:02] So, um with that, we'll turn to announce
[1:18:05] that the next meeting will be Monday,
[1:18:07] September 14th, 2026 at 6 o'clock p.m.
[1:18:10] here at the township. Um and we will at
[1:18:13] this time be recessing to executive
[1:18:15] session to discuss two matters. One of
[1:18:17] which is the appointments for boards and
[1:18:19] commissions and the second is a personal
[1:18:22] matter. Thank you.
[2:13:55] few action items coming from our
[2:13:57] executive session discussions.
[2:14:01] » Yes, madame president. I'd like to make
[2:14:02] a motion um for the reassignment of
[2:14:05] duties for Keegan Toot from training and
[2:14:07] volunteer coordinator to PSO at his
[2:14:10] current salary.
[2:14:12] Second.
[2:14:13] » We have a motion from Commissioner Brown
[2:14:15] and a second from Commissioner Mler. Any
[2:14:18] questions or comments?
[2:14:21] » All those in favor, please say I.
[2:14:23] » I.
[2:14:25] » I.
[2:14:26] » Any opposed? Motion carries 5 to Z.
[2:14:30] » Madame President, I would make the
[2:14:32] motion to engage and accept the fire
[2:14:34] chief recruitment proposal from GMP
[2:14:37] Consultants.
[2:14:39] » Second. I have a motion from Vice
[2:14:40] President Ngi and a second from
[2:14:42] Commissioner Brown. Any questions or
[2:14:43] comments? Okay, I'll call for the vote.
[2:14:46] All those in favor, please say I.
[2:14:48] » I.
[2:14:49] » I.
[2:14:50] » I.
[2:14:51] » Any opposed? Motion carries. 5 to Z.
[2:14:56] One last action item.
[2:14:58] » Yes. I move to appoint Williamley as the
[2:15:00] interim emergency operations
[2:15:01] coordinator.
[2:15:03] Second.
[2:15:05] » Manager Davis. Do we need to clarify the
[2:15:07] title of that?
[2:15:10] » It was emergency management.
[2:15:14] » I'll withdraw my secondly
[2:15:18] as the inter emergency operations
[2:15:21] management coordinator.
[2:15:26] » Emergency management.
[2:15:29] » Okay, great. So, we have a motion from
[2:15:31] Commissioner Brown and a second from Oh,
[2:15:33] a motion from Commissioner. I'll second
[2:15:35] » And a second from Commissioner Brown.
[2:15:37] Um, any further questions or comments or
[2:15:40] corrections?
[2:15:42] » Okay, I'll call for the vote. All those
[2:15:44] in favor, please say I.
[2:15:46] » I.
[2:15:48] » I.
[2:15:48] » Any opposed? Okay, motion carries 5 to
[2:15:51] zero. And I believe that concludes our
[2:15:53] meeting for this evening. Unless there's
[2:15:55] anything further.
[2:15:56] » Okay, seeing none, the meeting is
[2:15:58] adjourned. Have a good night.