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» Little you know I love to sit up front.
I spent my entire college right in the

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front row. All right. By the way, I saw
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» We did see this like a little bit of a
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Uh you guys have seen we've seen each
other on screen, but I'm Pat

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chair committee.
Before we even kick off today, we got a

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lot of stuff to cover. Um, I would just
like to offer up a moment of silence for

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the loss of a friend and colleague Marco
Gonzalez who left this much too soon and

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um offering peace and comfort to his
wife and his family as they do. So his

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fire has come

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Um, so we don't often get together.
There's a lot of faces, new faces that

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we have every month as well. So, why
don't we take a minute and just

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introduce ourselves? Don't let me forget
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» We'll start over here.
>> Hardy with Hope Partnership.

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» Eric Nath Ladies, coordinator, title
Vine, Daniel Smith, Deep River,

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» Howard Margulace, Planning Commission,
Old Vines, and chair of the real

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twinflame
housing strategic planning steering

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committee.
>> We won't make you say it again.

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» George Frampton, also an old line and
also co-chairman of this steering.

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» Bar Kazakoski, director of land use for
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Brett
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position.
Brand regional clinic

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council of government here to learn
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I'm west CEO
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for town
Mary Westbrook program

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official for town of Essics
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» Hi, I'm Eliza Lei. Um,
I director and Harley communications.

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» So nice to see everybody. It I know it's
convenient to be virtual, but it's it is

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very nice to get together. So, um, we
who's who we have on set up like a

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webinar, so we won't see them because
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speak English.
>> Um, Nick, Rissa, and Thomas, if you

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cannot hear us, can you throw that in
the one of the chats?

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» If you can hear us, also.

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» All right. First order of business
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approval of the June 23rd, 2026 meeting
minutes. They were distributed with this

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me this month's meeting agenda. Uh can I
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» Motion to approve.
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» Second.
>> Any discussion? Comments on the meeting

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minutes?
Hearing none. All in favor?

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I. Any oppose? Any abstensions?

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I know. I can't. My mouse isn't like
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» All right, ladies. Back in your carts.

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» I can start it.
>> All right. Um, welcome everybody. We're

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really excited to see you all here.
Obviously, we had a bigger turnout than

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anticipated, which is a good problem to
have. Um, so we're very happy to see you

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all here. We hope this reflects some
enthusiasm for the project and we're

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excited to get into it. So today is our
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workshops. It's going to data input for
determining regional housing needs and

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our focus isn't going to be to produce a
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but really to understand the policy
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that number and try and get on the same
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to be.
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you'll have a clearer picture of how
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an agreed upon policy direction for data
inputs. You'll begin to understand the

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major components that go into
determining housing need, see how

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different factors influence the results,
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the outcomes, and hopefully gain
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process. We'll start with a brief
refresher on the material from your

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homework presentation before diving into
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But first, a pop quiz. So,
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What is the primary purpose of a housing
needs assessment? Take a minute to look

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at the four choices and choose the
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A. understand the major components of
housing need. B see how different

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factors influence results. C explore how
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familiarity with population process.
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assessment not of this presentation.

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» Final answer.
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Correct answer is a
this is uh understanding is the

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foundation of everything else. So
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develop a solution.

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Next question. Why is a housing needs
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Because it guarantees immediate housing
construction. It supports evidence-based

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policy growth planning and investment.
It replaces local housing policies or it

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focuses only on existing homeowners.

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» Is it B? Yay. The correct answer is B.
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growth planning, and investment. Think
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realistically accomplish. It can't
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local policy. And it doesn't focus only
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instead, a needs assessment gives
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foundation. It helps communities
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strategies, and direct attention and
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that are demonstrated by the data.
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be evaluated regionally?
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independent housing market? Because
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because housing markets and challenges
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because regional planning eliminates
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» All right,
the best answer is C.

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Housing markets and challenges extend
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may live in one municipality, work in
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family elsewhere. A regional assessment
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allowing communities to retain their
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Looking regionally can reveal shared
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that may be difficult to see when each
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that's within its borders.
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fourth question asks, which sequence
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a housing needs assessment? Is it
construction, inspection, and taxation,

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determination, allocation, and
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and transportation, or funding, zoning,
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» Can't be too predictable.
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» It is B.
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allocation, and accommodation.
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housing is needed. Allocation considers
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region. And accommodation considers
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help meet it. They were concentrated
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is determination of need.

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And our final review question
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» Sorry, I don't know why my mouse only
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» Sorry guys. I don't know why this is
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» God damn it.
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before we started moving things.
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Okay, our final review question focuses
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the regional housing needs assessment.
Which statement best describes those

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requirements? A regional methodology
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methodology. Only population growth may
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should be based on state targets but may
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feedback is not required.

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» All right.
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methodology should be based on state
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This gives the region a common starting
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reflect its own housing market and
community conditions. Municipal feedback

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remains an important part of developing
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appreciate you all being

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» All right, I'm going to pass it over to
Eliza to get us going. Okay. So, um,

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housing need is typically measured
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future need and target vacancy rate.
Current need asks whether today's supply

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is sufficient for the households that we
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estimates additional units to
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vacancy
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some available housing to support
mobility and choice. Together, these

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components form the total housing need
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Um so if you looked at the presentation
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you. The um the one that Megan recorded
um it shows how different data inputs

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connect to the calculation of total
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that in assessing need we're simply
comparing people to units supply and

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demand for current and future
population. But these are not simple

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numbers. So, we're using a collection of
data points that either increase or

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decrease the number of people or the
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feel we have a good approximation of the
need. Each data choice is a policy

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decision. Some are required by statute
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choose. So, what we will choose is part
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Um, for the bulk of the workshop, we're
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visual simulation that we've created
called the housing need calculator. The

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calculator begins with the total of
population and allows us to toggle

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different data inputs to see how they
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review each input factor, test each one,
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changes or sometimes doesn't. Um, our
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of the different factors into the
calculation and to decide which

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non-mandatory factors are important for
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assessment. Uh, remember that this is
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created, we're going to provide an
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your um, town's working groups and
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So to keep this exercise conceptual and
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with our real regional numbers, although
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that um we put in the calculator are
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any region. It's home to any town for
those of you who have looked or done our

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shared foundations lessons. Um any
region is a collection of 12 communities

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in the Silver Pine River Valley with a
population of 10,000. It includes rural

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communities, villages, and employment
centers. Although each community has its

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own identity, residents regularly move
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work, shop, and recreate.
Disclaimer: Any resemblance to actual

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communities is purely coincidental.
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like that we're going to use. It's
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from a few slides back with the current
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future population and housing on the
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center display helps us visualize how
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Watch me pull up the calculator. Let's
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» For those who last year, we upgraded
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» Yes. Was that last year?

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Where are you? Sorry, guys. I'm like the
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so it should be here.
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» Is it because I just had it minimized?

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» Oh my god. Why?

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» I don't know if I can. Can I do that?

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» No.
>> Okay, we'll just be scrolling. Cool.

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Okay.
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through this. Are we good?
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» Okay.
So, any region has a population of

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10,000. We can see the population at the
top. And if you scroll down, Eliza, you

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can see that number for housing need for
the region is blank right now. The first

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thing we need to do is understand that
we're not planning for individual

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people. We're planning for households.
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click on household size. Right? We're
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So, any region has 4,651
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anybody do math if that's not your thing
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us. Um, all right. And then the next
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guess what we have to toggle next if
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enough housing units on the current
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» Beautiful.
>> There you go.

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So, we have 4,847
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households.
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our housing need for the region is zero.
Any questions so far?

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» we're good. It looks like it, but not
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we just want to start going down the
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What do you want us to click? We've got
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We've got cost burdening. We've got
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What are group quarters?
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missed the question? So, group quarters
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prisons, military barracks. They're
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live in a housing to live in.
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» Yeah, communal living. Exactly. Right.
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our number of households goes down
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the people that are living in group
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» You can't
the housing needs.

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» No, I don't zero

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up. Yeah.
Right. So it's green. If we get need,

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it's going to turn red.
>> Oh, I see. Thank you. So what is the

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actual operator? Click on group
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» So if you if you click on group
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from the number of households that need
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» Relative portion.

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It's it's a count of people that are
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actual this is really conceptual. We're
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we want uh everyone that's here to walk
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these factors influence the overall
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formula, what would happen with group
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individuals, that number would be
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before we grouped households.
>> Okay. So ultimately there would be an

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input which is a numerical value.
>> Yes, correct.

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» That's what
exactly right.

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» And where do the numbers that you're
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Are they averages across a number of
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estimate of what some of the towns in
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» But they're not equal to any of those.
>> Again, it's a conceptual exercise to see

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what the difference is. So, we're they
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direction for the the regional numbers.
We started with regional numbers and we

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nicified them to make them nice and
round and smaller and easier to

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conceptualize with this calculator. But
the data comes from and will ultimately

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in the calculation come from uh mostly
census data, some CHAZ data which is

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what's used by HUD. Um and was there
another one? I think it's CHAZ and ACS.

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» Uh yeah, for now overall the percentages
you used are close to what you think the

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total river cod numbers are for things
like group housing or size of building.

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» Yeah, we did proportional. So we we just
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10,000 people but we we use that as the
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» Yeah.
>> roughly

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all of
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Yep.

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» seasonal nets.
>> All right. So seasonal interestingly

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affects units as
>> as opposed to households. Seasonal is

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really classified in the census as units
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recreational, or other. So, not on the
market. Um, and that detracts from the

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number of housing units that are
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as you see now, our need has turned red.
We've subtracted a pretty substantial

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supply of units out of the units that
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units for current households. So you see
how those toggles really uh can take us

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from needing zero units and looking like
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» How about uninhabitable?
>> All right thing, right?

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» Yep. Same thing. So units that are
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plumbing or kitchen facilities. Um that
subtracts from the available housing

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units as well.

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» What else?
>> Yeah. What else? Give us more.

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» Interesting choice. So renters and
owners, you'll notice, does not change

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the number of households that we have,
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So this tells us something interesting
about who needs housing, but it doesn't

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increase or decrease the number of
people that need a unit.

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» Was it housing unit?
>> No,

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» before you clicked on it, it was still
in your list.

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» It was still in there. Yes. So we've
subtracted that.

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» So why was it included in the first?
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» we So we started with the unit totals.
These are the units that exist and then

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we're subtracting.
>> Why is it counted? Why is it counted as

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>> as in in the census data? Does the

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census data include uninhabitable units?
>> So census data includes units that are

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inhabited.

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So it could be a unit that is inhabited
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would be the units that need to be
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» replaced or upgraded.
>> They still exist and the cost to change

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them might be significantly less
depending on the state. Correct.

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Okay.
What else?

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We're staying on the current side for
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» Um, also I'd like to add the ones with
the asterisks are the factors that we um

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are required by statute to consider in
the housing needs assessment. Just

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» that must be considered in order for us
to make an assessment like a like house

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size.
>> So when cost burden,

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» right? So you want to start with income
before we get to go to premium.

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» Do I need to click this one though?
>> Yes.

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» Yeah.
>> So we'll start with income again. So

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this is something that is required to be
considered and it's not changing the

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number of households that we have. It's
grouping them by their the area median

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income which percentage bracket of area
median income households fall into in

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any region. Um so you can see the
breakdown from 30% 50% 80% and then over

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80%. And that breakdown is CHAZ data um
which comes from HUD which is a special

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HUD tabulation of census data.
And then if we go cost burdening, that

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tells you within those income bands, how
many households are spending more than

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30% of their income on their housing
costs?

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What

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» where do we have that enthusiasm?
>> I don't know.

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» All right, I'm going to click those off
so we can keep going. Um, and if we look

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at homelessness,
here's what happens.

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» So, homelessness is adding households
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a unit,
>> but not very big number.

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» It's not.
>> We I Yeah, I think we have the the least

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amount of homelessness in the state in
our region or that's what I've heard.

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It's very small. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's very low and honestly, it's

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notoriously underounted and true. Yeah,
>> we're struck by the fact that really

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really low numbers.
>> Yeah. And especially when we took the

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regional numbers and shrunk them to the
>> only more.

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» Yeah.
>> So with cost burdening considering in

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some of our area the region a lot fixed
income,

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» how is the cost burden health
calculated?

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Is it based on like a mortgage or or a
rent or tax? that I might have to get

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back to you on how cost threatening is
calculated. Um there is background data

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on how it's calculated from CHAZ that I
would be happy to pull and provide but I

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don't know that
>> I'd be happy to learn because in Deep

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River we have people on fixed income
that are in fact homeowners.

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» You it kind of muddies it up right a
little bit.

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» Yeah.
>> As opposed to people that are working

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two jobs and trying to you know afford
their rent. Are you asking about like

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the the rather than the data behind it,
the definition of cost burdening is

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» Yeah,
>> it's if you're spending 30% or more of

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your income,
>> what

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» on housing
>> and housing related

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» and housing related costs. Yeah. So,
>> right.

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» Yep.

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» Plus your tax.
>> Yeah. Thanks Joe.

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» And then very is it very cost burden?
Extremely cost burden. That's if you're

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spending 50% or more of your income on
those same things.

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» Affordability is the last one we have to
click. All

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» right. So this is kind of the counter
analyze if you want to put income back

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on again.
So this is an interesting comparison and

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an exercise that we are going to have to
do as part of the housing needs

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assessment. It's not changing the total
number of units here, but it is telling

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you about the income of households
versus the affordability of the units.

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Which cost bracket each of those units
would be affordable to?

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There are two there or sorry three there
that are blank colored not 30%.

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» Yes there is

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» wondering is that or is that just a
nature of the accel?

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» I think it is intent because it's over
um those units are over

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right. No, I I think it's um I think it
is if Kevin So Kevin

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» vacation

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» I think you might have taken it
literally from the Chad data. There were

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some that did not have a category and
that might be

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» yes
did an amazing job. Let the record

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reflect.
>> We're very very happy with

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Kevin's work. Um, and on this side, we
didn't yet talk about tenure.

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» Hello.
>> All right. So again, and if you want to

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click on renters, and this would match
because the way they're calculated right

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now in the census is even um but these
are the units that are for purchase

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versus for rent or have been purchased
and have been rented, I think, would be

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a more accurate way to say that.

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So again, it's not changing your
numbers, but it is telling you the

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comparison of what might be missing for
the people who are here.

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» I'm just going to click overcrowding.
>> Let's just do it. So overcrowding is

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interesting and we had to simplify it um
for the purposes of this exercise

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because overcrowding is adding to the
need. It is more than one person in a

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room in a unit not in a bedroom in a
room or a unit. So that's where

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households are doubled up for example.
Those are currently households living

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together in one unit but should really
be living in more than one unit. So that

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increases your need supply.
That's why we technically it impacts

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people but we put it on the units.
>> It's not quite whole but it's the

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nearest thing to homelessness.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly right.

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And then vacancy.
Um, as mentioned in the presentation

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earlier, you know, you don't just want
one unit for each household. Um, because

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then there would be no room for people
to move around. That's where you get a

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really tight housing market. Someone has
to leave in order for someone else to

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move in. That drives up cost because it
drives up competition for each unit. So,

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we put some choices here that you could
see. All of these would be an acceptable

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range for vacancy. Um, 5% could still be
a little tight depending on the market,

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but you have choices of five, seven, and
10. Name your poison. What would you

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prefer?
>> Five.

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» Five.
>> Five. All right.

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So now based on current needs any region
needs 276

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units if all of these factors are
included

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and that's just for people who currently
are here. That's what we would consider

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our under production.

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All right.
Now we're moving into the future. We're

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not required to look at future housing
needs. However, this is a 10-year plan.

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So, if people move in and you're only
planning for current under production,

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then in 10 years time, you'll probably
find yourself right back here again. So,

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good to look into the future to see who
we might expect to move here.

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» So, kind
of how does affordability

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affect housing need?
>> Right. All right. So, can we go back?

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Affordability is telling us when we say
affordability in this context, we're

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talking about how affordable our
existing housing supply is for the

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households that are here. Right? So,
when we're looking at household income,

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we're looking at the breakdown of area
median income that our households are

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falling into. Right? When we're looking
at housing unit affordability, we're

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looking at how many units could be
affordable in each of those income

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brackets. And there is a discrepancy
between the units in each bracket and

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the people or the households in each
bracket.

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the
that difference doesn't necessarily

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change the number of units that are
needed, but it does change the

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configuration of units that are needed,
right? And that's going to be an

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exercise that we're going to have to
look into once we've decided what this

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final number is.
>> Affordability really does not affect

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that one. It affects need, but it
doesn't necess but need in this case

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doesn't necessarily equal a new unit.
Does that make sense?

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» Well, it also affects what you would
need to build to satisfy that because

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putting 100 units at the top end isn't
going to be helpful to people at the

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lower.
>> Very true. And we will talk about how

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we're going to handle the grouping. Um,
we have some slides about that when when

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we're back. What a preview of what we're
thinking initially is we would look at

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the total number of units needed and we
would look at that discrepancy between

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the units we have and the people that we
have and we would use that to determine

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how that number at the bottom is going
to be kind of sliced and diced

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» there. There is a a state mandate for
certain level of affordability. Is that

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» you mean are you talking about 830G?
Yes. and the 10%.

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» No, no, no.
>> Okay.

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» Is there a state mandate other than
level

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units?
>> Not a number of affordable units. No

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» percentage.
>> Percentage is only the 830G 10%. Now, we

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are required as part of this housing
needs assessment to understand and come

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up with a number of affordable and
deeply affordable units that we will

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plan for as a but there isn't a set
number of how much that has to be.

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» So, why are we why are we looking
establish a number of affordable if that

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does not figure into the need? It will
figure into the knee

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» but not on this.
They've asked the cogs to do this. We

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can talk about that a little bit why I
suppose the exercise did last year which

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was just for us
>> right

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» this number will or could possibly have
bearing because

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» so we're looking Okay.
Do you want to start Daniel for where

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you want to go with this or
>> Well well the legislation wants a number

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of allocations.
>> Yes. Correct. Yet the state through DOB,

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they don't want to come up with that
number. Good for them. And they've cast

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it back onto the COGS to ideally work
with the communities to come up with

435
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,400
that number. So as opposed to last year,
which was a working number for us to

436
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,760
have an understanding, this could be a
number that if they decide to go with

437
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,000
it, which there's no certainty that they
even will after we present these

438
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:57,680
numbers, that we will be I don't want to
use the word obligated, but

439
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:02,800
» but that that's going to be the number.
So if uh just like in our exercise if

440
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:09,119
Deep Rivers asks to allocate 46 units
again we will be responsible for coming

441
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:13,040
up with the plan to have 46 new units
right

442
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:16,160
» somewhere like one big tower you know
>> you're supposed to plan for the units

443
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,560
they don't have to be
>> right plan and zone

444
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,359
» we have to show that we plan for those
police that's correct

445
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,200
» yeah no that's correct so all right does
I see a shaking head so that doesn't

446
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,920
answer the question
you're supposed to establish a need, but

447
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,240
affordability
doesn't affect the number of needed

448
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:42,480
units.
>> So, affordability will impact how these

449
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:48,240
needed units are allocated into income
brackets. There will also be an

450
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:52,400
understanding of any gap that isn't
accounted for in new units. We're going

451
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:57,680
to have to come up with strategies for
how to make existing units more

452
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:02,079
affordable. Or you could say, "We want
them all to be new units." And you could

453
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:06,079
choose to plan for all new units that
way as well. That would be a local

454
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,960
choice.
But you you're asking a word to me

455
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:16,320
affordable.
The state somewhat backed off, right?

456
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:20,640
It's like any any housing is good
housing now. It doesn't necessarily have

457
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:26,480
to be affordable.
No, the state is very specifically

458
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:31,920
looking for a number of deed restricted
affordable units at you know at these

459
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,079
different AMI
>> that's the key restricted our region

460
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,800
» we have doesn't have a great deal
>> yeah we don't have

461
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,599
good
>> most state mandate

462
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,640
» yes
>> yeah it's not expressed in percentage of

463
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:52,880
» correct
>> based on what you assess the need for or

464
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:57,599
for
is that is how you is that outside

465
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,880
today'sation?
>> No, it's definitely part of today's

466
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,640
presentation. So, that's kind of what
you're looking at here. We're

467
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:09,119
establishing
the number of households that we have

468
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:13,440
and the number of units that we have and
the difference between that and that is

469
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:18,720
a very concrete number of new units that
need to be built. Correct. So from those

470
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:25,680
new units that need to be built, we
would take this gap analysis and apply

471
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,800
that breakdown of AMI percentage to the
new units. That would give us

472
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,200
affordability brackets.
>> That's

473
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:38,560
» Yes. Yeah.
And then in addition to that, that might

474
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:43,119
not cover all of the discrepancy between
households and units. So anything on top

475
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,040
of that, we would be looking at
different strategies. That might not be

476
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,320
a new unit or it might be, but that
would be kind of town dependent.

477
00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:02,240
Oh,
>> if you remember the spatial mismatch,

478
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:07,760
structural mismatch conversation, if you
remember the paint bucket graphic that

479
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,560
was made by Marcos,
um

480
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:18,480
that was kind of that was an issue that
we took as a committee with Eco

481
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Northwest's analysis
last year, which was they were saying

482
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:29,520
every person. Every household that can't
afford a housing unit should have a new

483
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:36,319
housing unit. And that's the need. And
we're saying if you say you need, you

484
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:41,599
know, 200,000 new units for the
population that already exists, who's

485
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:47,040
going to live in the existing units?
That was an over supply of new units. So

486
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:51,040
this is our answer to that to say you
need a balance of people in units with

487
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:57,119
enough flex for people to be able to
move around and you need to target those

488
00:41:53,839 --> 00:42:02,800
units into specific income brackets.
There might be additional need on top of

489
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:08,079
that but that does not necessarily mean
it's a need for a new unit. It might be

490
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:13,720
a different kind of need for a different
kind of program to make existing units

491
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,720
more affordable.

492
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Does anyone have more questions about
that?

493
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,960
» A mic.
>> I mean to be very clear what what we're

494
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,599
doing now is we are talking about how
we're creating the methodology to come

495
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:41,200
up with this is going to be the plan for
the formula.

496
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:46,079
So what we're trying to get on board
with is what to understand. We're

497
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,280
looking at people, we're looking at
houses. We want sort of that balanced

498
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:55,040
mix, but number of people or number of
households and number of units are not

499
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,960
just a straight I'm pulling this number,
I'm pulling that number and we compare

500
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,440
them and that's the end. There are a
bunch of data points that go into both

501
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,440
of those. Should we move on to the
future?

502
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:16,640
straining to understand
>> of questions I think is at least for me

503
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,839
is because I wouldn't know how to ask
the question yet.

504
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,040
» That's fair. That's totally fair.
>> Just learning and

505
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,040
» I have a ton of them kind of mixed up
here. But there's a realization that

506
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:35,119
this is solely for planning because even
if we through regulation permit every

507
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:38,880
unit in town to have a duplex and then
we double our units, if none of them are

508
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:43,839
deed restricted, we still haven't met
the mandate yet,

509
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:49,280
» right? But you might be in a better
place in general.

510
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:54,400
» Yeah, in general.
>> That's the goal. Better place. And the

511
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,800
other part of the whole affordability
aspect that

512
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:04,960
even if you don't create those steep
restrictive problems if you are creating

513
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:11,440
more of a house of supply then
all the factors which impact that

514
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:18,240
uh cost burn would be impacted as well.
If you have a broader tax base, your

515
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:22,240
taxes per year are not going to be as
the cost to purchase a new home is

516
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,800
you're not going to be competing as
much. So that's not going to increase as

517
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:31,079
much. Um obviously there are other
factors on the other side, but

518
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:39,280
this is a good start, but we have to put
in mind that it's a starting point, not

519
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,800
the end result. And there are going to
be other factors that impact ranks.

520
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,680
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> If hurricane comes through and wipes out

521
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:53,599
new like people are
>> I I usually use Florida flooding as an

522
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:59,920
example, but I'll I'll use more local
example this time. So

523
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,920
» since it is hurricane season,
>> everybody

524
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,680
will downsize and increase demand for a
less expensive increase their more

525
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:20,240
expensive plan.
So it is a repeat that

526
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,839
» yeah model for people the community or
downsize and increase demand for a less

527
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:28,640
expensive home and place their more
expensive home on the market.

528
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:33,760
» It's I think the short answer and Eliza
you can jump in but it's not

529
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:37,440
» yeah it's a snapshot in time. So if
you're projecting people to leave that's

530
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,400
going to be part of the future
population that we're looking into um

531
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,520
but it's not going to impact your
current need because you are taking a

532
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,640
snapshot of what is happening the date
the data is that

533
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:54,480
» you know that's why I asked about how
the cost burden is defined because we

534
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:58,000
have a large number of units um that
have seniors that would like to age in

535
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:01,119
place and they'd like to get out of
those homes but there are no you know

536
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,720
that's why we're here we'd like housing
for them to be able to stay in face that

537
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,760
I I I don't see how this model
accommodates for that.

538
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,319
» Yeah. And I mean that could be something
that we're thinking about when we're

539
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:16,960
looking at, you know, how we're grouping
the new units. We can put that into

540
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:21,280
those considerations. We can think about
what that means for the overflow. You

541
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:26,160
know, anything that's not accommodated
in new units, is that going to be

542
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:30,560
influenced by these changes? It's more
of a policy conversation. We can't model

543
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:33,680
that.
the thing that doesn't get factored in

544
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:39,839
and I'm not sure there's an easy way to
do it. We have a lot of very old housing

545
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:44,480
that is deteriorating and some of that's
going to just become uninhabitable over

546
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,160
time as well and that's not really being
modeled in here anyway that we're going

547
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:54,480
to lose housing off the back end as it
gets old and deterior.

548
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:57,760
» Yeah. Um there might be a factor and in
fact at the end we have questions about

549
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:03,440
factors that are missing and there might
be a factor for projected loss of

550
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:09,040
properties that you know to
deterioration if they're not brought up.

551
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,720
There might be a factor for that. I feel
like the state might have been

552
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:17,280
considering one but I'm not positive.
>> Yeah. I don't know.

553
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:22,800
» Just a push back. That's kind of just
push back.

554
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:31,560
There are a number of older houses or
that can be maintained. It may that may

555
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,560
be such a small factor that it's not

556
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:39,680
kind of like how homelessness is
tracked. But I I'm I'm thinking of the

557
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:44,800
number of old houses that we have that
are like 1600 1700s that are in good

558
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:49,040
condition, but just a little bit more to
the fact that yeah, there are I I don't

559
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:55,599
I'm not disagreeing. Just saying
>> my concern is even people who are

560
00:47:52,319 --> 00:48:03,079
already stressed about having housing to
do the upkeep housing viable maybe

561
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,079
beyond the

562
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,920
» could very well be a strategy when we
get into the actual housing growth plans

563
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,920
is some sort of program to help maintain
units.

564
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:20,280
» Yeah, I think that's
>> Yeah, especially in our state. I mean,

565
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:20,280
we have old housing

566
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,400
» people and buildings.
>> Yeah,

567
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:33,359
» true. And so, keeping housing units
online and and functioning is part of a

568
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:38,880
housing strategy. Absolutely.
just just to show how much I don't

569
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:44,079
understand things. Um,
if you've got X number of housing units

570
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:53,119
available and you got X number of
households and they equal, the answer is

571
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:58,240
always zero. But like in any town, you
have X number of population living in X

572
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:04,160
number of houses, assuming there's no
homelessness out there, um, it's equal.

573
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Mhm.
>> That's fair.

574
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,440
» So, how did it all change with all these
other variables?

575
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:15,200
» I'll take that. I'll use a personal
example. So, uh

576
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:20,800
» if there are if there is a household,
but half of that household is looking

577
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:25,119
for housing in the region, you're
lacking

578
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:30,480
you you're lacking a unit or two units
depending on if the two people who are

579
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:34,839
in their 30s want to move out of that
household. question for

580
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,720
» but I'm just saying from the perspective
of uh population dynamics I think it's

581
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:51,599
like 10% of
>> um people that are under the age of 40

582
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:59,119
and of adult age are still remaining in
their household. So that is a

583
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:04,319
that would probably fall under the not
really overcrowding but it's close to

584
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,640
overcrowding.
>> Also the vacancy rate can help with that

585
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:12,000
because by increasing the level of
supply you're providing more opportunity

586
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:16,640
for people to move.
>> Yeah. And you you see now we just put

587
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:22,079
current for vacancy rate but we're at
like a 2.4 four here

588
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:26,400
» in no like in real life that's our
vacancy rate and you can feel that

589
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:31,040
housing branch right like my parents
>> would love to downsize and go somewhere

590
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,880
else there's literally nowhere
>> Yeah or it would cost twice as much as

591
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:40,160
where they are now right if they could
find something and so a lot of our

592
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:45,359
household formations are happening
because of like what Eric just said um

593
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,800
you know you you you have adult children
that want to move out that used to be

594
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:55,520
one household And now it needs to be
too. Um,

595
00:50:52,160 --> 00:51:00,720
» yeah, seniors want to move divorcing. I
mean, there's so many more one to two

596
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:03,440
person households now than there used to
be. I mean, in the past 40 years, it's

597
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,920
like doubled.
>> Most of our units,

598
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:13,520
» threebedroom, two bathroom with with one
or two people, and more than half of

599
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,480
those are one person.
>> Yeah, for sure.

600
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,760
» There's some misfits.
>> Yeah.

601
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,720
Misfit is not the probably not.
>> Yeah. No, it's not.

602
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,720
» Yeah.
>> Mismatch of you know

603
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,280
supplying.
>> Yeah.

604
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,960
» Yeah. For sure.
>> Won't this study eventually I know

605
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:39,200
you're not born in a future but if it's
going to get discussions into our entire

606
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,720
societal situations.
I know.

607
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:48,079
» You know, if you talk about kids, I I
have five that had moved out and I just

608
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:54,640
live in this house now with my wife and
um so that's an example. They they're

609
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:59,319
gone and
but they two of them are stored in

610
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,240
the kids back which means starting
businesses which means that they aren't

611
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:11,440
creating new jobs and of course we
already know the issue with existing

612
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:16,319
jobs and and yeah it's it's a catalyst
>> getting

613
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:22,079
blow up into a discussion of not just
housing etc but society

614
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,520
why can't kids afford at home.
>> Yes.

615
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,880
» Okay.
>> And and that could that alone could be a

616
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:33,839
major debate and and a contentuous one
at that if I'm of the school or thought

617
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:38,720
that you can afford them all.
>> So I think it's important to keep in

618
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:42,960
mind, you know, these are all important
context points, but it's a housing plan.

619
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:47,119
So there are some things that are not
within our control for this document,

620
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:51,520
and there are some things that are. And
the thing that we're looking at is the

621
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:56,000
housing portion of what's going on.
>> It's too early to start this

622
00:52:52,880 --> 00:53:00,480
conversation, but to say
we're focused on housing and making

623
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:05,520
affordable housing and other housing
available almost takes it out of the

624
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:09,280
market and forces states now,
>> right?

625
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:14,720
» Uh which is not free enterprise and um
and not allowing people to solve their

626
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:22,559
own problems, which I'm advocate of that
too. Uh

627
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:25,760
and um it it's going to be a heavy duty
discussion.

628
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,720
» Yes, that's what we do.
>> Sorry. It's not going to be housing.

629
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:33,839
It's going to be
>> But this isn't just our region. This is

630
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:37,359
statewide and it's nationwide.
>> Nationwide nationwide

631
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:41,599
» and everyone.
>> Yeah. Everyone's patience. Sorry. Thank

632
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:47,920
you for your patience.
Well, so we're looking at the region

633
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:52,880
right now with this model
>> any region.

634
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:58,960
» Uh
ultimately there are some who offers the

635
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:05,359
calculations that are grounded in
operational realities, right? So you can

636
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:10,000
have projections for population and and
housing, but

637
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:15,119
ultimately
infrastructure is going to become a

638
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:21,040
reality. Social services, fire, police,
etc., schools, those were all going to

639
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:29,920
be linked ultimately and and actually
will probably counter efforts to grow.

640
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:35,119
And so, you know, will that we
ultimately handle that as a region or

641
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:41,119
will that be with the municipal growth
plans look at their realities their

642
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:46,960
situations and what they're done.
>> So right now we're just focused on a

643
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:54,160
number of units and then that additional
need that might or might not be units.

644
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:57,920
Um, and then the next part once we have
that will be the allocation and that's

645
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:02,240
where we're going to come back together
in this group and we will look at all of

646
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,640
the different things that we are
required to consider and the things that

647
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:12,000
we might additionally want to consider
from a policy perspective for how we're

648
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:16,800
going to aortion out those units to each
municipality. And that's where capacity

649
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:22,160
comes into play. Also things like jobs
and transportation, we'll talk about all

650
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:26,960
of that. Then once we've allocated out
the units, we'll go into the housing

651
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:32,000
growth plans. You'll have an opportunity
at that point to say, "Yes, we like

652
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,680
this. Um, we're going to go with the
region." And at that point, we would

653
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,680
help you, but it would be your municipal
plan to decide how and where you want to

654
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:44,640
plan for those units and what your
strategies are going to be. Or you can

655
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:49,359
say, "We don't like what Riverco did.
We're going to go our own way and you

656
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:54,799
will still get to decide." you would
have to come up with your own allocation

657
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:59,040
number if you don't like ours. Um, but
then you would still decide, you know,

658
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,280
how and where and what strategies for
those units.

659
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,240
» I think to both points also it is this
is just one part of the equation. That's

660
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:17,839
the purpose of
>> because yes there are yes there are

661
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:22,760
greater societal parts housing jobs
in the greater region not just river.

662
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:30,400
This is one part of the equation that we
have some authority that we can

663
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:36,640
influence policy to direct some growth
and create the conditions that allow for

664
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:44,119
duplexes whatever we want to build
those. So it's a small piece of the

665
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:44,119
puzzle but it is kind of compat

666
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:54,559
and there been for what they're paid. So
>> I do think that as a as a region we have

667
00:56:51,760 --> 00:57:00,559
people want to where each of those
member community stands capacity. Okay.

668
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:05,280
» Right. And it has to be part of the
calculation process because ultimately

669
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:12,160
we don't want to say the rivercon number
is x and and then when we look at all

670
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:15,440
the aggregate flers nowhere near
>> yeah

671
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,160
are similar.
>> Oh yes yeah

672
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:30,480
right.
>> Are we ready to look at future now?

673
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:36,799
There are very few. Um so projected
households

674
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:42,640
we there are a couple of
projections available that we will have

675
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:47,280
some decisions about which one of those
we want to use for we picked a middle

676
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,880
ground for sake of this conversation but
which projection is used will be a

677
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:58,720
further conversation with this group. Um
we're not expected to grow much. Any

678
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:05,599
region is not expecting a lot of people.
Um so you look at future population that

679
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,599
adds additional units. Projected rent or
own

680
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:16,160
just classifies the new people into a
projection of what is expected. Most

681
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:21,839
likely it would be a continuation of
what we're already seeing. We could also

682
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:26,559
use the state average as a way to weight
that if we want to change what we're

683
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:31,200
currently seeing. Another conversation
that we can have as we start plugging in

684
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:38,240
real numbers. But the point is it
doesn't change your number of people.

685
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:42,559
Same for the projected income. When
people are moving to the region, what

686
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:46,240
are we expecting that income breakdown
to be? It's not changing the number of

687
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:49,280
people, just the types of units that
we're planning for.

688
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:59,680
for units.
This one maybe we start with vacancy

689
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:05,599
maintenance. Let's start there. So,
we've added people.

690
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:10,319
If we don't maintain if we don't add
enough units to maintain the vacancy

691
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:14,480
rate, our vacancy rate will shrink. We
will go back to having a constrained

692
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:19,119
market. So the vacancy maintenance
factor is really just saying if new

693
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:24,480
people come, we want to add enough units
for them plus enough units to make sure

694
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:29,799
that that vacancy rate stays at what we
said we want it for the current

695
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,799
population.

696
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:42,160
And then the seasonal unit factor is a
policy decision. I feel like I feel like

697
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:48,400
nobody here is going to like this. So
if as a strategy

698
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:53,599
you say we know that seasonal units are
important. We know that they contribute

699
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:59,200
to the economy and we're always going to
have some and some portion of units that

700
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:06,079
we build are always going to be
seasonal. You could add a seasonal unit

701
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:10,000
buffer to say we're going to have there
are formulas for this. Again, a

702
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:16,720
conversation we can have, but you could
say we will add based on this formula x

703
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:21,280
percentage of units that we're expecting
will probably be seasonal. That way we

704
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:26,119
accommodate our existing households.
Yes. That's all I'm gonna kill out.

705
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:35,040
You put in a season does different trade
for the year round. So if you can put in

706
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:40,400
a unit, nobody's going to build the
season and they're all done. They're

707
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:44,720
they're just they're not they got to
build the same septic system for a

708
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:48,559
single family home or seasonal. In the
case of East Cam

709
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:53,280
because the health code's got you can
build a septic system.

710
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:58,640
It's got that small
these lots that are not waterfront

711
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:03,280
stepping away. That's our opportunity to
have them converge year round because

712
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:07,920
they're, you know, they're better off
and they may be 600 square feet and

713
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:13,920
maybe 800 square feet, but if they
opportunity exist to add to the

714
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:17,280
yearround housing
and provide some even though it's not

715
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:22,160
deep restriction because you can't force
somebody to be restricted by the

716
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:26,960
property, but you won't see anybody
specifically building seasons. I think I

717
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,720
should clarify and John you might be
>> I don't think we're talking about no the

718
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:34,559
construction of a unit and type of
septic system. We're talking about the

719
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,240
type of occupancy. So instead of
thinking about a musial unit I think we

720
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,200
should basically consider them second.
>> Yeah. They're counted in census as

721
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:46,160
someone that owns another home that is
not their primary place where they live.

722
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,480
So it could be
>> so you're basic

723
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:59,920
of them is probably going to become
someone's and we would make the policy

724
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:03,920
choice that hey we're okay with that
because we know it's important and we're

725
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,760
going to you know our strategy is not
necessarily to reduce the number of

726
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:12,400
seasonal homes because we like them. We
want to have enough. It's a yes and we

727
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:18,079
would like enough for our population and
we would like enough for this for our

728
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:21,520
tourism industry or second home
>> that's going to drive demand in like the

729
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,799
shoreline towns and
>> Yes.

730
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,520
» Yeah. Okay.
>> Yep. And the lake towns

731
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,960
» Yep.
>> Yeah. Homes.

732
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,160
Not yet.

733
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:48,240
» So maybe it's not dead. Maybe it's on
the table. We can think about it. We can

734
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:52,720
make multiple models, one with one
without, so that we can see what that

735
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:56,520
would look like.
>> Doesn't that also come

736
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:03,280
seasonal?
There is always the potential and vice

737
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:08,799
versa that those seasonal homes will
then become full occupancy limits which

738
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:12,880
increases your house supply as you
mentioned it's already up to the total

739
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,280
of a regular home. I say a regular home.
It is a regular home. It's just

740
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:22,319
» new ones. New ones he said.
>> Oh that is true. Yes.

741
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:27,119
» And I mean we all live by the shoreline
and we know just how packed the shorel

742
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:31,319
is with bumps already. It could probably
increase the density. There's nobody

743
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:31,319
from

744
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,359
» Well, I was thinking of a subset of uh

745
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:58,160
» you know there are opportunities for us
here as well. We could for example not

746
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:02,400
make it part of the official published
need but we could make it a discussion

747
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:08,400
in our regional assessment and then
those towns for which it is important

748
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:13,160
could include it in their growth plans.
So that's also an option

749
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,920
just more work for us. You know
>> where do accessory dwelling units fit

750
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:30,799
into this equation?
>> They could they could very well. So they

751
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:34,319
any unit that is occupied by a person is
a unit.

752
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,280
» So I believe they would count.
>> Yeah.

753
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:42,039
Um
>> unless they're illegal and hidden.

754
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:42,039
» Yes.

755
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,920
» Um and you know that could be a strategy
as well for accommodating your is more

756
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,200
ads.
>> Yeah.

757
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,039
» Okay. Did we go through all the points
here?

758
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:58,160
» I think we did.
>> Okay.

759
01:04:53,599 --> 01:05:01,520
» All right. Any I see a lot of blank
phases, but we've had a really good

760
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:09,559
discussion. So I'm feeling like there is
a greater level of comfort with what

761
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,559
we're talking about. time table.

762
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:21,039
So we have the allocation like the final
>> number we have

763
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:25,039
» uh June 2020 that's
>> still

764
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:30,480
» yeah still June
>> from them by

765
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:34,720
» then they'll tell us we're available is
that that means

766
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:39,839
» no so the way they're kind of looking at
different things our goal that we're

767
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:45,119
required to post is different because
it's very targeted towards the speed

768
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:50,799
restricted affordable units. We are
taking a broader look so that it's more

769
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:55,039
comprehensive. Um but that's not
specifically what the state was charged

770
01:05:52,640 --> 01:06:00,160
with looking at. So they're looking at a
broad picture for the whole state. As

771
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:03,920
far as we've seen so far with publicly
available information, it looks like

772
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:09,119
we're looking at a lot of the same
things. Um so I think there will be a

773
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:14,720
lot of general alignment and I think in
places where there is not necessarily we

774
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:17,119
will have a good reason and we can
explain it.

775
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,400
» Are we going to have opportunity to
access any newer source data and census

776
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,720
is already
>> 2024 I don't know that we'll have

777
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,960
anything new.
Yeah, I mean sometimes it comes out in

778
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,640
December,
>> but yeah, so if we get new data, if it

779
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:39,119
becomes available before we publish, we
can put in the new data, but what we'll

780
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:43,839
have is a calculator like we did last
year where it's a formula and we will

781
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:46,319
plug in the numbers and it will give us
totals.

782
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:55,680
» Yeah.
>> Um, so I this is a very cool field.

783
01:06:51,280 --> 01:07:01,839
Um I had a kind of a question based on a
question about the data itself. Will we

784
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:06,799
have the opportunity on this level to
based on the source data maybe make some

785
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:11,039
adjustments or kind of mess around with
our estimates? I'm assuming that the

786
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:14,640
background data tab is what is feeding
into the visuals?

787
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,160
» Yes. So are we going to get a version of
this that we can kind of play with and

788
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:23,760
say like you know this is what the
census data says but we you know from

789
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:28,480
our own knowledge or from the fact that
we I signed off on this many

790
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,839
» you know are there certain things that
we kind of play with just to work on

791
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:40,480
getting maybe a little more accurate at
the level um based on the tools.

792
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:45,039
» I think we plan to make it available for
towns to play with. However, for our

793
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:49,680
regional analysis, we're planning to
stick with census data only because it's

794
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:57,839
the best way to compare apples to apples
across towns and across data points.

795
01:07:52,960 --> 01:08:09,000
Um and then the other just general
this is like just a place of in the same

796
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:09,000
policy which is what this

797
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:20,480
» and we will relate to Kevin. We were we
were very impressed as well. Can I the

798
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:25,600
first point Zoe made that was our
existing conditions report that you gave

799
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,400
each of the communities correct?
>> Yes.

800
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,719
» And we were tasked with going back
within our communities and having that

801
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:37,759
discussion and letting you know that if
anything seems offkilter to let you know

802
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:41,440
at that point. Am I correct?
>> Yes, that's correct. Yes.

803
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:45,920
» Did you want us to send that to you like
separately?

804
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:51,679
» Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And we know, we've
already heard from several towns that

805
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:56,080
some of the numbers are wacky compared
to what you're seeing on the ground.

806
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:01,440
» And we will take a look at that.
However,

807
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:06,000
» this is still the best available data
source. So there will be more context

808
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,440
than it will necessarily feed the
formula

809
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:13,279
» anecdotal. Yeah.
>> But like you said earlier, this is also

810
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:17,839
a snapshot.
You have to use a stem from a certain

811
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:22,880
point to build it. So yeah, it's going
to be slightly off depending on what's

812
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,000
happened since that snapshot was taken.
>> Exactly.

813
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:31,679
» Yeah.
>> Exactly. And we are working on sort of a

814
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:35,359
what would you say like an FAQ about the
data

815
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:41,920
» based on questions that we've received.
It's kind of a deep dive into like

816
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:46,239
methodology of ACS data and and how
that's calculated. Um, which I don't

817
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:50,359
know that we really want to get into
now, but there's um

818
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:56,560
you can't compare this to that. you
know, there's all these different like

819
01:09:53,920 --> 01:10:00,560
rules about how the ACS data works,
which is, you know, what what we're

820
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:05,520
going with because it's topically
relevant and we can look at all your

821
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:13,280
communities on the from the same level.
>> It's used also by, you know, HUD, it's

822
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:20,000
used by other states, it's, you know,
standard practice in planning and this

823
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:26,080
type of work as well. It's not I think
something that might not come across

824
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:31,199
with an exercise like this is we're we
are talking generally about having a

825
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:36,400
balance of households and units but
we're not saying that this is exactly

826
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:42,800
the number of housing units and
households that you will have. We're

827
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:48,640
saying based on the data trends and what
we have available, this is a reasonable

828
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,800
target for you to plan for.
>> Yes.

829
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,880
» So
we take this say from 2024 that's the

830
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:58,159
latest ACS data and that's the number
that we make discrimination off of.

831
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,800
» Yes.
>> Are are we getting credit for things we

832
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:08,400
plan for from 2024 on?
>> Define credit.

833
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,080
» We already plan to partly hit that
number. Yeah.

834
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:16,800
» Okay. Good.
>> Yeah. So, anything from that time is a

835
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:21,199
new unit that's come online. However,
the state is not necessarily, you know,

836
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:27,040
per their guidance going to be tracking
exactly how many units you have put

837
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:34,239
online. What they're looking for is what
did you say your strategies were to

838
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:38,480
increase housing and have you done them?
Are you making progress towards doing

839
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:44,000
the things you said you were going to do
in order to hit these numbers?

840
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,120
» So, it's engine.
>> Yes.

841
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,480
» Yeah.
>> That could be as simple as saying you

842
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,560
adjust your regulations and actually
adjusting your regulations.

843
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,239
» Yeah.
>> It's so novel.

844
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:59,199
» Yeah.
>> But, you know, also there is an

845
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:03,600
understanding that not everything, as we
were saying earlier, not everything is

846
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,679
within the town's control to do. So,
we're looking at our piece of the

847
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:11,600
puzzle. What is within our control? What
can we change? And are we making a good

848
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:15,400
faith effort to make those changes? And
that's all we're being asked.

849
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:25,920
» Good question. We'll talk about this
with the lies a little bit, but we're

850
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:32,640
working on some um new innovative zoning
to increase housing stock. Should we

851
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:36,960
hold off until this plan comes out so we
can get credit for it?

852
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:42,159
think you need to honestly I think you
could say in your update this is an

853
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:46,080
innovative strategy we've from you know
that from the time that data was

854
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:50,159
collected we have implemented and we
expect it to change

855
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:53,400
» I think that's
>> that's enough

856
01:12:54,560 --> 01:13:03,280
assuming
discussion assuming a town like hold on

857
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:07,120
relaxes it ADU numbers we have more ADUs
is there a we can figure out what we

858
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:12,480
anticipate that's going to do to the
bottom line. I mean right now obviously

859
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:16,320
we have very restrictive ADU
regulations. We're looking at loosening

860
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,840
but I don't know how much credit that
would give us if we did that.

861
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:26,400
» I think we would look it would sort of
be a mini buildout I would think like we

862
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:30,719
are allowing ADUs in all of these areas.
If everybody did it then this is how

863
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:35,679
many new would come online. You could
add to that like a reality

864
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:38,800
» talking about for points for that group.
>> Yeah.

865
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:43,120
» I mean points credit
>> they were that didn't go through.

866
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:45,120
» That's different though. Those are your
hue points, right? Is that what you're

867
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,360
thinking?
>> Yes. Yeah.

868
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:53,040
» So, um I can't speak to that. I'm not
positive. Maybe our friends in the back

869
01:13:51,840 --> 01:14:00,480
might know.
>> I don't think John's listening.

870
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:06,239
for ADU there was extension of the brief
that go through

871
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:13,480
» don't think this
I don't think any police well other than

872
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,480
other

873
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:24,239
something something right
>> yeah but yeah no no a

874
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:29,440
» so so we don't direct or what is this
restrict

875
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:33,400
So in the same place we were
up to a

876
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:41,600
» No, we sure did. There was a question
over here trying to skip the whole line

877
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:44,640
talking about what we did but we're
looking for advantage but as of right

878
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:52,239
now you're saying unless it's deed
restricted we don't get a deck

879
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:57,600
to each other. That's obviously
but we shouldn't really be you know

880
01:14:54,640 --> 01:15:05,679
worrying about like
>> yeah that that was Vegas point

881
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:12,760
» what if uh this is done
the distribution of that distribution

882
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:19,679
» and
make a plan do everything you say you're

883
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:23,440
going to do
uh nobody

884
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,400
no one builds.
>> I mean I think at that point the the

885
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:32,320
state is not penalizing you for that but
I think if it is something that you are

886
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:36,560
in good faith wanting to do you would
look at those strategies and you would

887
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:42,400
say obviously this isn't working what
can we tweak what's going wrong and then

888
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:48,719
revise your your strategies.
think no for affordable housing it's not

889
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:56,320
just a tweak I mean affordable housing
it's very difficult to build

890
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,960
» because of the you know the financial
underpinnings of doing it and you you

891
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:05,920
may make this great plan of what you can
do but unless the town of state or

892
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:12,000
someone's going to put millions and
millions of dollars you're not going to

893
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:15,040
can make the plan but no one's going
going to want to do it.

894
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:18,560
» I think it's very fair in your
strategies and this will come when we

895
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:24,320
get into the housing growth plan part
which is 2027 to 2028 after all of this.

896
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:29,199
Um when we get into the plan part and
we're talking strategies, we'll be

897
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:33,920
talking about what the towns can do, but
I think it's perfectly fair to say this

898
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:39,520
would go a lot better if we had X
funding or if we had X infrastructure or

899
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:43,520
so on. and we think this is the entity
that should provide that and you know I

900
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:48,320
think that's perfectly fair to put in
but I also think if there are

901
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:52,800
opportunities for you to get funding
that are available now putting that in

902
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:58,000
as well say we're going to pursue this
funding opportunity to assist with this

903
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,840
thing is a strategy you would just have
to then pursue it

904
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:05,440
» and a quick plug for the council on
housing development which is a state

905
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:09,840
entity that was created by this bill
that also created the housing growth

906
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,840
fund which has yet to actually be
funded.

907
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:20,239
» Legislators uh to make sure that the
next several you know brown bond funds

908
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:24,480
and things like that put a a bunch of
money into the housing growth fund which

909
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,719
will then direct them to municipalities
and individual projects to extend sewer

910
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:33,360
lines, extend water lines, some you know
provide provide um supplemental funds to

911
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:37,679
housing development or whatever. But
that is in theory, you know, the state

912
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:41,679
is putting housing growth funds to
assist those efforts

913
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:46,800
» and it's incumbent upon us to think
about how we would use those efficiently

914
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:50,880
and put in our applications. You know,
have a game plan ready so that when

915
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:54,120
funds are available, you're ready to ask
for them.

916
01:17:55,679 --> 01:18:01,360
What we're doing, you know, we're we're
working in good faith to make a plan to

917
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:06,640
make changes that we want to make,
right? So, think about it the way you

918
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:10,080
would do any plan. You're you're baking
a cake. You look at the recipe. You

919
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:12,960
follow the steps and then you bake your
cake, right? That's kind of what we're

920
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,400
doing. We're thinking about the
ingredients that we need, the steps that

921
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:20,000
we're going to take, and then we follow
the steps after we've gathered the

922
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:23,560
ingredients. And we can only do what's
within our control.

923
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:32,080
Um, I'm going to move on just in the
interest of time because I see we don't

924
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:37,280
have a lot. Everybody's losing their
>> Everybody is losing. There's chocolate

925
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:42,800
and cheese. Help yourself. Um, I think
I'm going to probably gloss over this

926
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:47,199
one a little bit. So, we'll just talk
about um

927
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:51,040
the impact of some of the inputs that we
already looked at. Um, so obviously

928
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:56,640
there's nuance here, but this can be
useful for discussion. So, you'll see

929
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:01,679
the data inputs. um such as seasonal
units, overcrowding, homelessness,

930
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:06,640
projected population. Those can increase
your total need by either increasing the

931
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:12,640
number of households or decreasing the
number of units. There's other inputs

932
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:16,239
such such as group orders or a lower
vacancy rate that decrease the total

933
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:20,239
need by decreasing the number of
households or increasing the number of

934
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:24,480
units.
And then um the last category are the

935
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:29,920
data inputs that don't change the number
of units needed. So that's simply um

936
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:35,520
grouping the population or units into
categories. So this is a useful exercise

937
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:40,719
that may demonstrate a need but it does
not translate into a needed number of

938
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:45,600
units.
Um now here's an example of how we might

939
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:49,679
use the categorical input like income um
that we already talked about which is a

940
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:54,000
required input into the needs
assessment. So in this illustration um

941
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:58,719
the total households are grouped into
AMI categories. The distribution is then

942
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:02,960
applied to the new housing units helping
us understand how total housing need

943
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:06,480
would be distributed. So you may have
heard um of the calculation of the

944
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:09,480
structural mismatch or spatial mis
mismatch

945
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,280
um which compares the number of existing
units in each income category with the

946
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:20,560
number of households in each income
category and found the difference to be

947
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:24,400
the number of needed units. Um Megan
already mentioned this was kind of a

948
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:30,800
contentious element in the um Eco
Northwest housing needs assessment done

949
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:35,040
for the state last year last year. Um so
however as illustrated income is

950
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:38,480
categorical as is affordability and
therefore doesn't change the existing

951
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:42,719
number of households or the existing
number of units. So it should not be

952
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,800
assumed that the mismatch requires new
units for any additional households not

953
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,080
covered by the new units. Additional
strategies may be required and this will

954
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:56,640
be handled separately in the needs
assessment to avoid confusion.

955
01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:01,360
So our key takeaways um housing need
consists of multiple components and each

956
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:06,400
measures a different condition or trend.
The resulting estimate is influenced by

957
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:10,480
data inputs and policy choices.
Understanding the methodology allows us

958
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:13,600
to ask better questions, interpret the
result more carefully and build a

959
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,520
stronger foundation for productive
community discussions.

960
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:22,080
Housing need is a policy decision that's
informed by data. This exercise was

961
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:25,120
intended to support um a shared
understanding of the influence that

962
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:30,239
different data inputs have on housing
need and guide us toward a preferred

963
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:34,400
policy decision.
So moving forward, we're going to use

964
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:38,080
today's discussion to draft an initial
housing needs formula, incorporate

965
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:43,360
feedback into the local existing
conditions reports, and provide a

966
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:47,600
discussion packet for you on the needs
assessment formula for local discussion

967
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:51,840
and feedback. Your homework is to
establish your local working group if

968
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:55,840
you haven't already done so and submit
existing conditions feedback before our

969
01:21:53,679 --> 01:22:01,600
next meeting um in September which is
the 22nd. I may have erroneously told

970
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:07,840
some of you it was the 29th when we met
individually. Sorry. Um and your

971
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:11,679
participation and feedback will help us
shape a methodology that's

972
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:15,120
understandable, defensible and
responsive.

973
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,840
the working group just be your planning
design.

974
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:21,400
» It can be. Yeah, that's going to look
different for every town.

975
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:26,280
» Does anyone have any questions?

976
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:33,800
» Did you just repeat all of that?
>> Sure. Do you want us to just go back to

977
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:33,800
the first slide?

978
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,199
» It's a lot.
>> We can send this out as well,

979
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:44,560
» please.
But we will

980
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:48,159
» we will walk through like Eliza said,
we'll put a packet together that has

981
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:54,000
this information that has some
discussion questions um for feedback.

982
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:59,120
» And are we gonna have access to
government school spreadsheet?

983
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:02,440
» He would be devastated if we did not
give it to

984
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:13,719
» he does such a good job. He was very
excited actually when we were like can

985
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:13,719
we do this and he was like yes we can.

986
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,800
» What else?
>> Is there anything else? I feel like

987
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,600
we've stunned everybody.
>> Yeah, we feel okay.

988
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:30,880
» All right. So just
between like September, October,

989
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:36,400
November, then what can you kind of
synthesize what this group what we'll be

990
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,880
looking at and what we need to do?
>> Sure. So our next step when we're

991
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:47,120
putting the packets together, we're
going to plug in real data when we give

992
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:52,480
it to you using the formula that we
talked about. We're going to give you

993
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:56,400
the background information on that data
so that you can kind of look at it and

994
01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:00,719
hopefully answer questions or ask
questions of us as far as what we're

995
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:05,520
using and hopefully we'll all get on the
same page with a formula that will give

996
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:11,120
us a total number of needed units. Once
we have that in hand, we'll have another

997
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:14,880
group like this and we'll start putting
hopefully Kevin will make us another

998
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:20,239
cool tool for any region and we can talk
about inputs for allocating the units to

999
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:24,400
the different counts. Once we figure out
how we want to do the allocation of

1000
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:28,400
units, we'll do the same thing. We'll
plug in real numbers. We'll put a packet

1001
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:32,400
together. We'll give it to you for
feedback. I think that's as far as we

1002
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:35,400
will expect to be in the next couple of
months.

1003
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:42,320
Is it going better than last year
though? Something like that.

1004
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:44,800
» Definitely. Although I kind of miss the
sticky notes. I mean, it was very

1005
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:48,080
quaint.
>> You were there. You were there from the

1006
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:52,320
beginning.
>> Yeah. For those of you that are newer,

1007
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:59,360
we did do the regional housing needs
assessment process once already. um

1008
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:03,199
without the cool we literally had taped
like butcher paper onto the walls and

1009
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:08,239
we're putting up the factors and
debating them. Um

1010
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:11,280
» so I forgot to pick up my kids for
school.

1011
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:17,199
» It's not it's not great.
>> So those of you that are new to this

1012
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:21,920
process may
may feel like you we've somehow skipped

1013
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:26,000
a step because we kind of did
>> in this day.

1014
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:31,920
» Yeah. I think what we learned the last
go round for those of you who were here.

1015
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:37,760
We did all three at the same time. We
were trying to parse out, okay, which

1016
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:41,679
factor goes in need determination, which
factor goes in allocation of units,

1017
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:46,560
which factor is really more about local
accommodation. And that got really messy

1018
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:51,920
and confusing for people. And so now
between the statue and our established

1019
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:57,679
understanding, we're separating them out
and we're looking at certain factors at

1020
01:25:54,159 --> 01:26:02,320
different times um to try and narrow the
universe that we all have to digest at

1021
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:08,800
once.
>> So other than a learning experience, we

1022
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:11,920
can't really use the work that
the prior two years should be the same.

1023
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,040
» It's close,
>> is it?

1024
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:17,920
» Yeah, it's close. It's really similar.
>> Yeah. Oh, good.

1025
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:23,600
» Yes.
>> Because I remember you wanted to wanting

1026
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:25,600
to do that was because they didn't tell
you what to do, so you want to get ahead

1027
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,360
of them.
>> Yes.

1028
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,920
» We spent three months figuring out the
formula this time. Now we have a

1029
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,920
formula.
>> Yeah. And one of the emails and I'm

1030
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:38,639
happy to resend that I sent out did
include um like the final report on the

1031
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:44,320
Reno that we've done in the past which
is also on site. So

1032
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:50,560
» yeah. So we're starting with an
understanding of what worked last time.

1033
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:55,360
Um which I think is a good a good basis
for what we did today. Um there are some

1034
01:26:53,600 --> 01:27:01,280
things that we had to adjust because of
the statute and also I think just from

1035
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:05,440
some lessons learned. Um and we're
starting with a group where I would say

1036
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:10,800
a quarter of you at least have been
through this process before which helps

1037
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:17,960
tremendously.
Any

1038
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,960
more questions for Eliza?

1039
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:26,040
Uh, I'd like to make a motion to adjourn
that that I

1040
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:29,840
need to journ.
>> Thank you.

1041
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:35,560
» Thank you.
>> Good job.

1042
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:35,560
It's a lot of work but

1043
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,760
so

1044
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:45,280
you know
committee

1045
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:48,280
» with the idea that we already done the
assessment

1046
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,520
» I was supposed to present

1047
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:15,159
So I mean
excuse

1048
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,159
was doing

1049
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,080
each

1050
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,440
part

1051
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,320
said or

1052
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,880
We knew I guess

1053
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:09,639
talking to me.

1054
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,760
definitely

1055
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,800
say

1056
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,480
that

1057
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:56,600
Oh, yeah.

1058
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,840
» Yeah.