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Oh, hold on.
>> Good evening and welcome to lower county

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board supervisor meeting for September
1st, 2026.

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» Rise for the pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for it stands one nation
indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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Okay. All members of the board are
present and accounted for, including all

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of our staff. The township meetings are
recorded for the purpose of preparing

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the minutes and the recording is
destroyed after the meet meeting minutes

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are approved.
The meeting will be posted online on the

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township YouTube channel. The link can
be found on the township the board of

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the board of supervisors page on the
township website. It is requested that

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all persons wishing to speak before the
board shall state their name, address,

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and the subject matter upon which they
wish to speak for the record. In the

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interest of facilitating the business of
the board, all persons addressing the

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board shall be limited to three minutes
unless such time is extended by the

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chair for good cause. Individuals are
requested to remain in their seats and

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to respect when other persons are
speaking. The board of supervisors will

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provide a reasonable opportunity for
citizens to comment on any non-aggenda

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items after all agenda items have been
addressed but prior to the adjournment

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of the public meeting. So, the first
item on our agenda this evening was

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supposed to be Ailen, the branch manager
from Perk Valley Library. Uh, she is

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delayed and we will uh have her as soon
as she comes in. Um, our first

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administrative action this evening is
approval of the meeting minutes for June

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2nd of 2026.
>> Noel, do you want to mention the exact

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session prior to the meeting?
>> Certainly. Yes, we had an executive

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session to discuss personnel and real
estate uh before the meeting this

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evening.
So, the administrative actions, the

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meeting minutes for June 2nd of 2026.
Uh, does anyone have any questions,

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comments?

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Okay, not seeing any. Is there a motion
to approve the meeting minutes for June

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2nd?
>> Also move.

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» Supervisor Hexter makes the motion. Is
there a second?

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» I'll second.
>> Supervisor Saxs makes the second. All

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those approved say I.
>> I. I.

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Dan,

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» maybe just raise your hand.
>> You do a thumbs up.

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» Can Can you just raise your hand, Dan?
If you voting yes to approve the

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minutes,
can you raise your hand if you hear me?

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» I don't think he can hear us.

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should be on the right lines. He's in.
>> Can you send him a message to see if he

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hears us?

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Oh, that's okay.

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» Yeah.

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Do you want to call him? Do you want a
minute?

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I'll write the voicemail.

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» Does he need the second water?
>> I don't know.

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Well, why don't we move on to the next
uh item? We can circle back to the

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meeting minutes for final approval. Um
why don't we move on to the treasur's

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report until we hear from Dan. Oh,
>> yeah. Go ahead.

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Okay,
so this is through August 31st.

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General fund revenue was $2.169 million
which is over budget. General fund

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expense is 8
8.894

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million which is under budget. Our sewer
revenue is $791,197

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which is over budget and the expenses
are 630,425

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under budget. Our total fund balances is
5.261. 261671

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million.
Um highlights, uh the 2027 budget prep

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is ongoing and was started in August and
our 2025 liquid fuel state audit is

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scheduled for September 21st

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uh 2026.

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Uh general fund uh net income is 274,885
which is 239,000 over budget. uh

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revenue. We're running 187,000 over
budget. Uh this is primarily to real

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estate transfer um
uh tax and um our interest banking is

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actually one of the few items we're
actually under budget for revenue. Our

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expenses, we're running 52,000 under
budget. Um key identifiers remain the

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same. contracted services engineer,
building repairs, police health

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insurance over time, vehicle repairs,
road bridges, mowing, and their savings

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with um legal and wages. A year-to- date
progress, budget progress, 85.1% of our

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annual revenue uh has been received and
we spent 64.9% of our annual expenses.

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uh the capital fund general capital fund
net income 45,000 which is 85,000 over

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budget revenue 153,247 which is 14.4%
over budget um this is through donations

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interest payment equipment sale and
general fund transfer uh expenses are

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107,631
which is 31.6 six under budget that was

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for police vehicle trailer uh park and
wrecks fundraiser expense and the dump

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truck upfit deposit. Uh sewer fund net
income of 160,772

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which is 56,000 over budget. Um revenue
is running 7,315 over budget. Um

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uh key identifiers are sewer rent
charges um and a sewer line assessment

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received but not budgeted. Expenses are
running 49,000 under budget. Uh most

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line items on are on or under budget.
Exceptions are sewer engineering,

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supplies, chemicals, and pump station
repairs. Year-to- date budget progress,

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74.2% of revenue received,
and 54.9% of expenses spent. Um

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sewer capital, uh net income of 23,000,
revenue of 32,208.

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Um that's for connection uh tap-in fees
and interest and expenses. We finally do

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have an expense for the year of 8,695
which is 91% under budget. Uh that's

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under sewer plant projects. Liquid fuels
net income of negative 131,829 which is

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178,000
under budget. Um we've received revenue

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of 174,000 which is 363 under budget. Um
and expenses. We've spent 306,000 which

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is 178,000 under budget as we've had
savings uh for the Babington road repair

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and our so far for our chip seal and pre
chip seal repairs. Um so far we've

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received 97% of our revenue and spent
63% of our budgeted expenses. Last uh O

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open space net income of 85,000
exceeding budget by 7,789

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uh revenues of 90,000 which is revenue
EIT revenue and interest and we spent

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5782 which is 1,200 under budget uh that
is EIT commission legal and appraisal

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costs our year-to- date budget progress
that is

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that percent's wrong of received um and
we spent 1.9% of expenses suspent. It's

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probably 79% of revenues received.
Any questions on the treasures report?

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Okay, I don't have any. Does anyone else
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» Dan, can you hear us now? Just raise
your hand if you can hear us.

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» I He texted me back. He said he's going
to try once more and that he might have

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to give up.
>> That's his visual. That's not his audio.

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» Yeah, it's still trying to sake. It's
still trying to

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Okay. Well, we'll we'll continue on and
see what happens.

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» I don't think that has anything to do
with it, but All right. Well, let's move

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on. Uh, thank you for your report,
Jason.

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» Ailen is here now.
>> Okay. Can Why don't we finish up our um

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the payment of the bills and then we'll
we'll get right to you, Eileen. Is that

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okay? Thank you.
Okay, that was our treasures report.

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Thank you, Jason.
[clears throat] Um, we are going to move

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on to the payment of the bills for July
31st through August 30th of 2026. From

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the general fund, it's $77,2616.

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From the sewer fund, it's $52,67016.

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General capital fund was $2,134.30.
liquid fuels fund $52,28.38

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and the open space fund was $2,132.78.

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Can I get a motion to pay the bills?
I will make that motion. Is there a

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second?
>> I'll make that second.

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» Supervisor Jirena makes the second. All
of those in favor

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» I
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» I
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» Should we move forward, Peter, as if Dan
is not with us this evening? Yeah,

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» we have a quorum. Okay.
>> Okay. Motion passes unanimously.

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Okay, Eileen, your turn.

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Green button. Okay. Hi. Um, it's been a
fun year for the library. I actually saw

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you last spring towards the end of the
spring. This time starting earlier in

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the fall. Um, good news is
next week we start moving some furniture

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around inside our building. We're hoping
to open hopefully by the end of October.

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No 100% set date yet until we get things
moving. Um, we have brand new children's

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furniture coming in. That was part of a
grant. Um, Senator Penuk had posted a

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photograph for that. Um, we have the
movers coming in to reinstall all the

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furniture shelving we had previous. And
then we got to move all our books back

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in. And when we do, the adult collection
is now going to be in the front. The

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kids collection is all going to be in
the back. So, everything's landing in a

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new spot. Everything has to be put on
the shelves and double checked it's in

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the right spot. It's going to take us a
little extra time to do that. In the

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meantime, being offsite of our own
location and working out burough, my

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staff has been very creative about doing
programs that'll interact with the

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people in our service areas and
communicate with our municipalities. You

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guys were fantastic. We did two um park
story times. One got rained out and we

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were able to change and come here and
invite the staff to story time. Um, but

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we had a lot of fun visiting all these
different locations throughout the

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summer. This month is National Library
Card Month. If you don't have a library

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card, shame, shame, shame. Come to the
library, get a card. You can do it

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online. It gets mailed out. And the cool
thing is, if pocket stuck it in, our uh

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children's librarian has come up with a
way to engage the public and get you to

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look at your library card and go visit
all the places that supported us during

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the summer. And that includes two
locations that are going to be here in

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Lower Frederick. There's one at Engaged
Studio. They had a program there. We

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also interacted with PV Woods. So,
there's a flyer up there. Basically, if

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you go to our calendar, LibCal, look it
up our library, you'll find this

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challenge on there. It has the list of
where to go to find signs. Each one has

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a different color frame. So, you just
have to mark down what color the frame

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is, bring it back to the library, you
get a little prize. But I'm pretty

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happy. This is our library card and
that's what she came up with. So, it's

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really pretty cool. Hope you guys see
it. So, if you go to that and you get a

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little prize, interact, a lot of fun. It
was really nice to have Laura Frederick

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support us because
we need all the support we can get. But

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we also were also
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Um, being down at Skip Pack, being down
in Trap, going to Perkyan. I mean, we've

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got a chance to go everywhere. It was
really nice. But we're really looking

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really forward to being home again. And
hopefully that'll be the beginning of

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October. We do have a book sale planned
already for November because again, even

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though we spent all this great money,
there's still a lot of things that are

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needed for the library. So, we're going
to be pushing our book sale as soon as

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possible. I don't know when, but
there'll be some kind of celebration

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party to get us an open house so
everybody can come check out our corners

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because it is really different. You
won't rec I mean you'll recognize a few

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things, but almost everything has been
changed. Any questions for me?

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» I don't have any for you at this time,
but it sounds very exciting. I'm gonna

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I'm gonna come renew my my library card.
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay, we're now going to move on to our
professional and staff reports. Carol,

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thank you.
Just three items on my report uh to

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update the board on. Uh the first is a
small subdivision that was known as 115

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Second Avenue. Uh the subdivision
application for this undeveloped parcel

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along the undedicated portion of Second
Avenue has been withdrawn. They've

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withdrawn that application
at Melbourne Hill. Verizon lines were

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installed behind the curb lines and the
walking trail was paved.

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And for Sachs 8 big road, a preliminary
plan was reviewed and that plan was

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discussed at the August meeting of the
township planning commission. Those are

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all the new items on my report this
evening. I'll be happy to answer any

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questions the board may have.
Does anyone have questions for Carol?

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[clears throat]
>> Okay, not seeing any. Thank you, Carol.

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Next up is our solicitor's report.
>> I have nothing.

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» Okay, thank you, Peter. And now on to
the staff reports, and that would be

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Chief Cass, please.
>> Thank you. [clears throat] For August,

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we had 254 calls for service, conducted
59 traffic stops, issued 30 traffic

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citations.
Officer Lowour uh completed the

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leadership development program,
successful graduation. Two of the

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officers attended attended standardized
field sobriety testing updates. Um

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officer Bacon has been moved to the
detective position. It's a lateral

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transfer. He will be our lead
investigator for a lot of our criminal

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investigation stuff. Um,
as I've been reporting over the past

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couple months, we have a lot of open
ongoing investigations. So, one of the

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investigations um is getting issu is
going to the judge for the warrant uh

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probably tomorrow afternoon. Uh early
June, [clears throat] excuse me, early

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June, uh we responded to Burger Lane for
an incident. Um through the

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investigation, uh we had multiple
juveniles involved that were were

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victims. So, we had to do extensive
investigations with Mission Kids, Child

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Advocacy Center. Through the
investigation, their interviews, uh, one

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of the suspects, I'm not doing names
yet, and we'll do a pressure release

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next month because until the charges,
but the first suspect is going to have

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four counts of terroristic threats, four
counts of simple assault, one count

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possessing an instrument of crime,
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and four counts of harassment. And the
second suspect is going to have one

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count of harassment. So this this
incident is one of several that we have

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open. So it's a slow process, but we're
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for the victims involved in all these
cases. That's all my report for this

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month. If you have any questions.
>> Thank you, Chief. Does anyone have any

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questions?
>> Um does that mean that uh Sergeant

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Milligan is no longer with us?
>> Corporal Milligan's still here.

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» Milligan,
>> he's still he's still here.

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» Okay, that's good.
>> Yep. Okay.

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» So, we have
>> it's just it's just an ongoing rumor

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that he's going to retire, right? He's
going to stay forever.

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» Never.
>> Every day that we have him is a blessing

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to the township.
>> I know.

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» And a blessing to me.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay. Thanks, Chief. Next up is the fire
company.

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» Charles Jack, fire chief lower fire
company. The month of August, we ran 12

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calls. For the year, we were at 156. We
uh saw a couple fire alarms, vehicle

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accident, vehicle rescue, three building
fires, two appliance fires, and one

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medical assist. Uh for the trainings, we
did a live burn at station 86. We did a

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folk fest pre-plan with uh Upper
Southford Fire Company. Uh we also went

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over with Upper South Fire Company and
debriefed on recent building fires. We

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operated either with them or without. Uh
we did a large tanker drill with station

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89 which they hold yearly and we went
throughout Lower Frederick Township last

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week and went over forceful entry
skills, where and when we would use

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certain techniques. Uh we had steak
night August 1st. we were sold out and

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we'd like to thank everyone for all the
support. Uh our lottery calendar lottery

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calendar renewals will start September
1st which is today and uh October 1st

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starts our new signups. They're $20 for
a calendar and then October 3rd we will

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have the LFC cornhole tournament held at
the lower Frederick Fire Company. And

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for the month of August, we operated a w
one working house fire in lower

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Southford Township. Uh ladder 52
responded with a crew of four and we

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responded as mutual aid in support of
Harley Fire Company and operated for

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about two hours during the day. That's
all I got.

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» Terrific. Thank you, CJ. I appreciate
that. Does anyone have any questions?

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Okay. Thanks so much.
Uh next up is Of

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course, we have uh ambulance, public
works, sewer, and zoning. I I would like

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to question the the sewer report. Um is
there anything of like if if nobody

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minds if there's like nothing of any
great importance on it? Can

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» So, I haven't gotten the sewer or so you
guys will receive that when

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» Okay, move on.
>> Uh so, the uh ambulance report, this is

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for July. Uh they had 22 uh calls for
service in Lower Frederick for a

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year-to- date total of 142. Their
primary coverage area, Perky and

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Schwanksville, Upper Frederick, and
Upper Southford, they had 82 for a total

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of year-to- date total of 435. And then
outside the primary coverage area, they

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had 33 for a total of 227.

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As to the public works, um in the month
of August, they completed three sewer

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inspections. Uh the bypass influent pipe
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they're continue to manage the mowing
contractor. Uh they mow the open space,

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maintain the landm
patch paving on Zigglerville Road, Main

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Street and roads in Cedar Hill in the
Cedar Hill community. Uh line painting

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was completed on selected township
roads. Uh they did road mowing on

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Township Roads and repaired roadside um
the roadside [clears throat] around the

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covert on Spring Mountain Road.

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And that said, okay, terrific. Um, can
you give us an update? Is he still

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buffering? Is he There's two of them
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could that potentially be the problem?
>> Can Can you hear us, Dan? It looks like

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you.
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» I can hear now and see. I'll try and
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» Okay.
>> I'm trying to talk now.

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» Oh, we can kind of hear you. Yes. All
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Okay, I'll do my best. I'm sorry.
>> Sorry.

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» Didn't come through. It didn't come
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» It's a little disconcerting. Not only is
there two of you, but there's an

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enormous delay between them. Do you have
volume? Do you have volume?

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You could turn it up.
>> Yes, I do.

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» Okay. Well, we're going to circle back
to the meeting minutes because we made a

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motion. Did you have any questions about
our meeting minutes?

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I didn't hear that part.
>> Okay. Okay. So, we had a motion, I

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think. Do we have a second? And we had a
second. So, just raise your hand. All

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those in favor say I.
I. Raise your hand in.

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» I'll say I.
>> Okay, there you go. Terrific. Motion

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passes unanimously. I appreciate that.
Thank you.

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Well, we'll let that go.
>> Yeah, it's fine. We'd have to go back

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and do it over again.

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» It's okay. All righty. So, um we're now
going to move on to our township board

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and commissions reports. Um I see that
we have someone here from the EAC.

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» Yes.
>> Um but I don't see anyone for open

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space. We have park and rack always
consistent. Thank you. We don't have

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anyone for planning. So, uh, Diane, are
you or you or Gary gonna

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Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, I'm on for a plan.

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» My glasses on. I apologize.
>> All right. So, Diane, did you want to

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give your report?
>> Sure. Um, we met on August 11th. Our

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green energy committee discussed the
passage of the lower Frederick data

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center and battery storage ordinance
that was passed by our board of

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supervisors in July. Um, we celebrate
that. We also discussed the proposed

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Limmerch data center development that
will affect the surrounding Limmerch

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community and we agreed that we need to
follow up on um how many proposed data

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center developments are there in
Montgomery County and what's the process

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that the other townships are going
through under our storm water

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management. We discussed um that now the
Schwanksville Burough Authority has

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their annual water quality report from
2025 and it can be viewed on their

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website. They've begun testing for PIFAs
or forever chemicals

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and um out of the seven that they tested
for they have found three.

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Our outdoor lighting committee reported
on the constructive feedback from the

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planning commission and the township
engineer regarding the initial outdoor

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lighting draft being developed for the
township for um our subdivision and land

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development ordinances.
So we'll continue on with that.

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The single-use plastic committee is
compiling the research that was gathered

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regarding surrounding township
single-use bag ordinances and model

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ordinances to hand to the over to the
township manager so he can uh give it to

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the solicitor as I believe the board had
asked us to do um maybe two months ago.

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So, we will we'll hand that all over to
um to Jason so he can give it to the

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solicitor.
And uh this month's did you know is

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information on the start of the fall
bird migration. It's going on right now

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and the effect of nighttime lighting on
their travel.

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If you want to know how many birds
passed over on their southern migration

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last night or any night before, you
simply go to birdcast.com.

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It's pretty fascinating. It tells you
how high they flew, how fast they flew,

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how many of them, what types, and etc.
So, um it's it's a good distraction from

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other things. Any questions?

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I don't have any at this time. Does
anyone have any questions for Diane?

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Okay, not seeing any. Thank you, Diane.
Appreciate that.

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» You're welcome.
>> On to the open space committee.

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» I can I can kind of talk.
>> You were there. I guess you can.

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» Okay, go ahead.
>> So, the open space committee did meet on

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August 12th. Uh they were all uh
present. Um they reviewed their

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financials. Uh they did make a
recommendation to the board uh for to uh

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uh residents for their vacant open space
positions. Um and they um they will be

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at uh community day. Uh they will have a
table and um they've got some followup

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on uh their supplies and stuff as far as
uh for that for that event. Um and then

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they as per usual they met most of their
meeting was in exact session to discuss

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uh property.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any questions anyone?

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No. Okay. Next up is park and wreck.
Katie.

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» Hey everybody. Um okay. So we met last
month and we do have our upcoming

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meeting on September 14th due to the
Labor Day holiday. Uh our August concert

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uh was supposed to be last week. It was
rained out. Hopefully it doesn't get

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rained out this Thursday. It's going to
be the River Dogs and it's going to

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start at 7:00. Um Lower Frederick
Community Day. Um volunteers are still

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needed, so please help spread the word
and encourage people to sign up for a

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shift. And then uh park board is going
to be assisting with the silent auction

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and we are putting together event uh
baskets for that event. Uh, we have a

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book club for September is going to be
on September 19th and it's The Walk by

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Richard Paul Evans and it'll be 10:00
a.m. at Cuddy Park. We are working on

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park inspections. Um, we assign
different board members to look at the

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different parks. We'll share the
findings with the township and then

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basically we're just looking for things
that might need maintenance and then

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also looking for future improvement
priorities. Uh we're going to be

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resuming the Foy Park fence project to
get that finished painting. More

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information on that. And then finally, I
just wanted to thank you guys for the

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trailer. That's going to really help us
with um a lot of the equipment, making

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it a lot easier to transport for events.
So, thank you very much.

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Terrific. Thank you, Katie. Does anyone
have any questions for Katie?

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Okay.
You're good. Okay. All right. Sorry. Not

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not a question per se, but I guess for
um any of the boards and commissions,

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the uh MONCO 2040 uh grant period, I
think submissions are due in March. I

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know it's only September, but time goes
by really fast, so if that's anything

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that park or I guess EAC is interested
in, just maybe start thinking about it

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early.
>> Okay, thanks Mara. Uh next up is the

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planning commission, Greg.
>> Hi. So, the planning commission met on

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August 20th. It was a very short
meeting. Uh, we started the meeting with

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an update from Sax and Suns about their
proposed land development at 8 Big Road.

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Um, they're still working through our
engineer Carol's review letter. Uh,

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however, they verbally thought they
would only have a few requests for a

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waiver in the future that would be
formalized. Um, we didn't take any

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action uh on the 20th with them because
they still have to go to zoning and

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respond to Carol's letter, but we expect
to see them back again soon. Uh, and

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then we completed our bamboo ordinance
discussion and approved a copy of a

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draft ordinance that the county planner,
John, did an excellent job with. Uh, we

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approved the draft to go to our
solicitor and the board of supervisors

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for consideration.
and uh changes or approval.

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Um, and that was it.
If there's any questions, I I'll be

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happy to answer them.
>> Does anyone have any questions for Greg?

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Okay. Not seeing any. Thank you, Greg. I
appreciate that.

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» You bet.
>> Thank you.

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» We're going to move on to our regular
business. Uh, first up is the township

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building sign discussion.
again.

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Jason.

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Okay. So, um this is a continuation from
the July general meeting.

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Um just as a reminder um that we've
previous as we previously said we have

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an LSA grant for digital sign for 13,861
and then our insurance claim from our

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sign getting uh damaged in the winter of
19,000. So we have a total of 32,9450.

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Um
as uh the board may recall we kind of

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seem to be the seem to be stuck on the
stone or brick. So we are presenting

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uh two new options.
Um

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oh also uh what I have provided the
board uh we did a drive around just to

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show the different varieties of signs
out there around municip municipalities

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around the uh around us.
Um they really do come in all shapes,

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sizes, um varying degrees of
so it it there's definitely not a

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one size kind of fits all that that
these municipalities are doing. Um mix

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of brick stone um there are just two
post here which I we grabbed this off of

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New Hovers Fire Company
um just for view.

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Then we get down to some of the
locations that don't do not really have

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signs. Upper Southford just has
something on the building. This is Lower

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Southford's. So,
um this was something the board asked uh

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of us um at the last meeting to just
give some examples of what some

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different municipalities are doing.
Okay, get scroll down to there. Okay.

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So, uh the the two new options that uh
we're presenting to the board um would

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be a concrete base with aluminum pillars
wrapped in a rough cut wood planks that

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would look somewhat like this.

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And that would be the aluminum. Uh the
concrete with base with the aluminum

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pillars would be a total of $40,690.
the concrete V with the wrapped uh and

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rough uh wood planks would be 41,140.
Um basically

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what um is as far as a different option
is if the board wants to put brick or

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stone at some point down the road then
we can do that and the hope was that we

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can settle on potentially one of these
and and get the project moving forward.

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Um, I did put in what those prices were
with the uh fost and the veneer u for

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your edification. Um, there is a couple
thousand savings depending on uh how we

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want to go. Um, but as [clears throat]
you saw um at least with one of the

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digital signs, they just had two um
aluminum posts. Um,

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so that's kind of uh
where we're at.

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» Hey Noel,
>> the um the other signs were interesting.

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The one thing I did note is that a lot
of them were brick and

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» Yes, I did. [laughter]
>> I did a lot of green, too.

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» And most of them are on a main road.
We're not on a main road. Yeah. So,

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that's first. Second,
>> what is the actual cost of the LED sign?

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They give us a breakdown,
>> but they're not telling us what it

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costs. So, I'm look I'm looking at like
right out of the gate this first one.

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Concrete base with aluminum pillars for
$40,690.

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I'm trying to wrap my head on what cost
$40,690.

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And this is this this is significantly a
reduced design from from what we were

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looking at before. I mean those were
monoliths. This is like this is bare

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bones minimum here. So I'm I'm curious
exactly what does this LED sign cost?

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00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,800
Uh this

415
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,040
for installation
35,655

416
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,920
I mean, they give they give a huge
rundown of everything that they're going

417
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,520
to use and it's, you know, extensive,
but

418
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:58,839
there's no actual breakdown on on the
prices. So, I have no idea what the

419
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,839
actual sign costs.

420
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,640
» Option one is 36,000.
>> Where did you Is that on the quote?

421
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,560
» Yeah, it's on the quote.
>> Where is it? And then I missed it and I

422
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:16,640
apologize. Yeah, option one is on the
first on the What is option one?

423
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:19,200
» Well, option one here says it's $40,690
>> right right here.

424
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,079
» Option one.
>> And what's the cost?

425
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,280
» $36,15.
>> Okay. Does it tell us exactly what the

426
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,839
sign costs
>> or the entire thing?

427
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,880
» It gives the entire thing.
>> Okay.

428
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,920
» Hey, Noel.
>> Yes, Dan.

429
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,839
» Noel.
>> Yes, Dan.

430
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:45,839
» Yeah. Um, I actually would like us maybe
to take a step back and consider

431
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:51,119
» a step back and consider
>> the idea of dropping the digital aspect

432
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,440
aspect
>> of the sign

433
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:59,280
» and using a sign somewhat
>> sign somewhat

434
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:04,320
» more akin to the one that we have
>> the one that we have

435
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:09,040
» um in uh CVS Park.
CVS park

436
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:13,760
» but scale down to something appropriate
>> for the township space that's available

437
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,640
for the size.
>> Okay.

438
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:23,520
» So I I I think unfortunately um we
received grant funding and I think we

439
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:29,520
need to use that grant funding. I don't
know. I'm going to look at our solicitor

440
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:33,440
but if we turn back grant funding I
don't know. You're shaking. Yeah. We we

441
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,240
need to we need to say yes to grant
funding because we need to keep getting

442
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:43,520
grant funding and
>> if we can do it for 36105 let's do it

443
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,480
for 36105.
>> I option

444
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,079
» I don't think anybody's saying send back
the money but let's remember that when

445
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,839
we applied for this grant
>> we still had a sign

446
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,000
» but the money is for a digital sign. I
mean maybe we can get some clarification

447
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,839
from Jason.
>> Nobody's saying send grant money back or

448
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,000
not use it.
built by a digital sign. We have to use

449
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,440
it for digital sign.
>> We don't have to use it for a digital

450
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,760
sign. We don't have to. It's a very easy
amendment that we can send in and

451
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:13,599
request a change. And because it's going
down and not up, it doesn't necessarily

452
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,560
change the scope.
>> They would have to approve it.

453
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,079
» And that's fine.
>> I I

454
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:25,280
» there's a high there's a prob a high
probability that we will not get it

455
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:30,000
accepted. They could deny it and then
just take back the the grant altogether.

456
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,520
All $99,000.
>> Yes.

457
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:38,640
» No, the other it's 13 it's it's split
between the park the parking lot which

458
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,000
we're going to roll out. We're going to
out next year.

459
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,280
» Is are you talking into your speaker?
>> Sorry.

460
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:49,760
» So part of that 99 is is I believe like
85ish is part for the parking lot paving

461
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:54,320
which will roll out at the beginning of
next year and then the 13 and change was

462
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,000
for the digital sign.
>> Okay. Peter, do you have any insight on

463
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,720
this on this LSA grant? Could you put
some clarity on that?

464
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:08,400
» Um, I'm Yeah, I'm not a grant expert,
but I do agree with Mara that and I

465
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:13,599
think you're not planning to, but yeah,
returning the money, it's going to take

466
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:20,320
into be taken into account when in in
future applications. Um,

467
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:24,880
as far as sh Yeah, I'd have to look at
the grant application to see exactly

468
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:31,920
what we put on the grant application to
see whether or not we need to amend it.

469
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:36,880
Um, but Jason says we do. Um, I have had
clients that have have done amendments

470
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:42,800
and they have been approved. Um, not a
lot of them, but I can't I I can

471
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:48,560
remember amendments being approved. I
can't remember amendments not being

472
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:54,400
approved. Um, but as Crystal said,
that's up to the grant provider. You

473
00:39:51,119 --> 00:40:00,800
know, it it's not it's not a a done deal
that we ask for it, they're going to

474
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:05,680
say, "Yeah, we'll do that." Um, if we do
ask for an amendment, we got to give an

475
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:10,720
explanation why. And I think we need to
make sure before we ask for an amendment

476
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:16,960
to look at the purposes of the grant to
make sure that our amendment is not

477
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,000
shifting what we're doing out of the
purposes of the grant into something

478
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,480
that the grant's not supposed to cover.
Because if that's the case, then I agree

479
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:30,320
with Crystal. They might say, "No,
you're done." Either I don't see them

480
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:35,280
taking it back. I see them saying you
got to do it for we gave it to you or

481
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:41,359
you or you know you got to give it back.
>> So if we go to them and say

482
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:46,320
we would like to do an amendment to our
grant not the amount but the scope

483
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:53,359
itself
where at the time we put in the grant we

484
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:57,280
had a sign and the cost to do whatever
it was that we put in for was this is

485
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:03,680
what we were going to get for it in the
interim. Now we have no sign. We need to

486
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:09,760
reconstruct it. And in addition to that,
we have the insurance costs, but the

487
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:16,880
cost of the sign is now going to go over
and would be dipping into general funds.

488
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,280
I can't see them saying no if our goal,
which it should be, is to stay within

489
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:28,400
our $32,900.
And and I think there's absolutely

490
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,800
no problem with calling our contact up
and saying, "Hey, here's the issue. This

491
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,560
is what we'd like to do.
>> Is this going to be a problem?" I think

492
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,079
they'll flat out tell you, "Yeah, that
works. File it or no, don't try that.

493
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,839
It's not going to work."
>> Right? Like I can't imagine. I mean,

494
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,240
grant funds are supposed to alleviate
the t like a municipal tax burden. It's

495
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:52,880
that's supposed to help us.
Why would they say no if we tell them,

496
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,079
well, if we don't reduce the scope of
the sign, it's not like we're changing

497
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,160
this away from a sign. We're getting a
sign. We're just not going to get an

498
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:05,200
electronic sign or or we're going to get
something cheaper. Um otherwise, we're

499
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:09,599
going to have to dip into general funds.
>> I think what Jason's saying is that the

500
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:16,960
the one issue here is the grant was
specifically for an electronic sign. So

501
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:22,319
to shift it away from that
um it might be a problem. I don't know.

502
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,760
That being said,
I

503
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,720
just call them up and ask the question.
There's no harm in asking the question.

504
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:35,920
You know, there could be harm in pushing
it through if we're told don't do that.

505
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:40,160
But there I cannot believe this would be
there would be any problem with us

506
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:45,359
calling up whoever our contact is and
saying hey here's the situation this is

507
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:50,079
what we're considering does this work or
you know please tell me no and then I

508
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:56,480
can go back to my board and say sorry
they said no but you know asking the

509
00:42:52,800 --> 00:43:00,560
question I think is the first step
>> what I was told earlier is if it's in

510
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:06,400
similar in nature to the project that we
got approved so for instance since uh

511
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:11,119
the original police vehicle that we put
the grand in for may have been like a

512
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:17,440
2025 or something and it turned into a
2026 police interceptor that that's kind

513
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:22,000
of the same type of project where they
said it might get kicked back as if it

514
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,880
if the scope of what we got the grant
monies for changed and I don't know how

515
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:30,400
they would view a digital sign to a
static sign is as you know is if that's

516
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200
a
>> I I would imagine I don't think they're

517
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:35,440
going to have problem if it has a net
zero taxpayer impact.

518
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,440
» Um,
>> but that's just me.

519
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:44,880
» I I'm not in favor of spending one red
nickel on a static sign. It doesn't do

520
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:49,119
us any good. People ask me all the time,
is the burn ban lifted? What are the

521
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:55,599
events coming up? They drive down the
street, there's no sign. Now, option one

522
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:59,520
here says $36,15.
That's $3,100

523
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:05,520
above what we have. I think it's worth
spending $3,000. So 36,105

524
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,240
» to get into the 21st century.
>> So the figures you're looking at are not

525
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,400
the same as what you have on this cover
sheet here. Is that correct?

526
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,480
» No, I see that. But that's not I'm was
going off of what he provided us, which

527
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,480
is not correct.
>> Well, this this is in the detailed quote

528
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:25,359
option one. $36,15.
This is a big upgrade for us. We can

529
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:28,800
alert people. Yes. Not everybody drives
down Spring Mount every day, but a lot

530
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:33,760
of people do, and they tell people
what's going on, and it's not on a

531
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:39,200
little tiny side street. So, that would
be my preference.

532
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:42,480
» And what's this number here?
>> That's the first one. This is the

533
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,480
» Becky's got her hand.
>> Oh,

534
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:52,480
put some clarity on these final numbers.
>> Yes.

535
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:56,720
» Go ahead, Becky. Hello. So, I just kind
of wanted again as Jason said to mention

536
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,119
some clarifying questions. So, first and
foremost, if you're talking about a

537
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:06,079
non-digital sign in the original
presentation, whether whatever design

538
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,480
you would actually go with, the
non-digital sign I believe was around

539
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:15,280
13,000.
So, it's kind of a moot point as far as

540
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:19,359
going back and asking for the grant
because it would be covered under

541
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:25,599
insurance. So, I guess that was just one
of my first points. Um, my second point

542
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:31,040
would just be that I believe in some of
the other presentations we were right at

543
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:36,400
budget with the digital sign. Where
we've kind of increased costs here is

544
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:41,839
looking at real stone, looking at two
pillars versus one, um, and all of that

545
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,319
kind of stuff. We've added on from that
beginning quote. when we initially

546
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,640
started this, you guys were right at
budget with the digital sign. Um, so if

547
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,520
that's something we need to go back to,
we can certainly do that, but I just

548
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,839
wanted to remind you, I know it's been
like a bajillion months. Um, but we can

549
00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:01,560
do that. So, I don't know if that helps,
but just a reminder.

550
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:09,920
» So, can can I ask you Jason? I have the
detailed quote from Casey Signs and

551
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:14,960
option one. It's um
between

552
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:20,720
two steel poles
and that is for $36,15.

553
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,599
Is that still an option? I know you
didn't put it on your cover sheet, but

554
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:32,960
is that it's in the detailed quote. This
page one looks like this, Jason.

555
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:39,119
It's it's on the next page after this. I
think to Noel's point, the like the

556
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,520
$4,000 swing.
>> I bet

557
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,640
» it's the pillars.
>> It's the pillars.

558
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:49,760
» Yep.
>> Between 36,000 and the 40,000 445.

559
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,200
» Well, let's just do the cheapest option
and if some board in the future wants to

560
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,359
put brick or stone up, let them put
brick or stone up. which I guess was my

561
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,160
point as far as like we were at budget
and then we added all these pillars on

562
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:04,000
which is
>> just go back to square one and do the

563
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,800
cheapest version.
Call it a day

564
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,119
» on on the version I'm looking at if I
might add in because I've just been

565
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,960
reading through this while you've been
talking about it.

566
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:17,160
» So I'm I'm looking at the same page that
Supervisor Hexter was viewing.

567
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:27,440
Um there I see the first sign has a uh
se 24 inch high by 72 inch wide active

568
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:35,720
viewing window
that's for your $36,15

569
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,720
sign and

570
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:43,680
it has a
deep concrete footers and raised

571
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,480
concrete base. So before you were
talking about framework, now you're

572
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:53,440
talking about solid concrete. So that's
going to impact your price. Then when I

573
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:56,440
go down to the next one, the ones that's
40,445,

574
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:05,839
the difference there is the active
viewing window is 36 in high by 72 in

575
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:13,599
wide. So the difference between the
36,000 and the 40,000 is the size of

576
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,599
your electronic viewing window.

577
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Thank you.
>> Can we still get information on the

578
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:26,839
smaller one?
I mean, is there a difference of the

579
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,839
number of lines?

580
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:35,040
There's a picture of it provided in the
images that are in Dropbox.

581
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:42,720
There's the larger sign and the smaller
sign. The 24 in is shown with three

582
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:48,079
levels of text, three lines of text.
So Mara, like if you look at what I have

583
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:54,680
up on the TV screen. So that's the
bigger screen

584
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,680
and this is the smaller screen.

585
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,920
» If we're going to have to get one
listen, not

586
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,880
» the width is the same.
>> Yeah. Yeah. still 72 in wide,

587
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,000
» right?
>> Yeah, it's the it's a it's a foot

588
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:24,280
difference in in height.
So, yeah, the smaller sign would be

589
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,280
Sorry.

590
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Okay, aside from the money, which looks
like we're a little bit closer now,

591
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:42,640
um I'm not a fan of the LED sign.
I think it's irrelevant. It's

592
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:47,680
financially impractical. I think it's
like a micro a microarget of just a

593
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:53,440
specific number of people. I think that
we have a better shot at at using um our

594
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:58,160
our social media that we have now for
outreach with our Monco ready and our

595
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,800
email blasts. And I think it's
contradiction to our comp plan that

596
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,480
prioritizes um preserving historic
smalltown architecture. I also think

597
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:12,480
it's a want. It's not a need. and we
have our fire department who's giving us

598
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,440
free advertising right up the street up
there. Having said that, if the majority

599
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:25,440
wants this LED sign, as long as we can
get as close to $32,900,

600
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:31,839
then that's what it will be.
>> No, [clears throat] I'm still opposed to

601
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:37,200
this concept of having a digital sign.
It's just because other people have

602
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:43,760
placed them in their township does not
mean that it's the right thing for lower

603
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Frederick. A number of townships uh
varying affluence levels um you know all

604
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:56,880
around the area. Um, you showed Marvel.
They just have a sign that Marvel

605
00:50:53,839 --> 00:51:02,880
Township. Um, and [clears throat] our
the road that we are on is not a heavily

606
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:08,640
traveled road by our township people.
And the people I've spoke to spoken to

607
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:12,000
about this have all indicated if they
want to know what's going on in Lower

608
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Frederick, they're not going to hop in
their car and drive over to the township

609
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:20,240
building and see what the sign says.
What they do is they go online and look

610
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:24,319
at the web page. So, I think this is
just because we can spend the money

611
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:30,319
doesn't mean that necessarily it's the
right thing to do. Um, that I I can't

612
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:36,319
see myself wavering from that. I think
we're just trying to be like the Joneses

613
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:41,359
and we should be like lower Frederick
and be at least conscious of the money

614
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:45,040
that we're spending.
Then we're right back to where we were

615
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:51,119
before, which is we can replace the
$13,000 fine sign with the $13,000

616
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,880
insurance money and we can kick back the
grant funding and not get any more grant

617
00:51:52,800 --> 00:52:01,200
funding. So that's where we are now
because we don't need the $19,000 in

618
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:04,880
grant funding to put a stagnant sign. So
>> Terry, were you going to say you mean

619
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:07,440
hyperbolically? Marlo,
>> you going to say something like that?

620
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Just because you turn it down doesn't
mean that uh you're never going to get

621
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,800
grant funding without anything else.
>> Yeah.

622
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:17,520
» These these guys keep coming back with,
oh well, we're going to do a beer. We're

623
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:22,160
going to do beers up. We're going to do
this. We're going to do that.

624
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,160
» I'd like to just the price of a sign
just

625
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:33,240
» does that include their labor?

626
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:39,920
I do believe we did have the breakdown
on just the digital sign. I'm

627
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:42,920
unfortunately not finding it in our
Dropbox.

628
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:51,240
» J, do you want to say that just
>> I believe the sign itself was around

629
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:51,240
like 31 to 32,000.

630
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,640
» Did you say 31 or 32,000?
>> I believe that's where we

631
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,640
» just for the sign.
>> Yeah.

632
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:10,960
» Yeah. So, so again, we we need to use
our grant funding and we don't need

633
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:14,240
$19,000 for a plain Jane sign. So, we're
right back to square one. Should we kick

634
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:16,720
them grant funding back and not get any
more grant funding from this?

635
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:18,960
» Nobody said they kick grant funding
back.

636
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:24,400
» We don't need a phone call. We don't
need but we don't need 31,000 to do a

637
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:30,480
stagnant sign.
>> We only do need it for an LED.

638
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:35,040
» Well, now we're back to the LED. So, how
many how many people support I'm I think

639
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:40,559
we should just get the cheapest sign for
the LED. It's $3,200 out of our budget.

640
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,440
I think it's worth it. And a lot of
people go up and down the street. Um,

641
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:49,599
and a lot of people look for things on
our sign and there's nothing there. We

642
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:53,200
have community day coming up. People ask
about the burn ban. They're asking about

643
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:56,960
our events. They're asking about all
kinds of things. And

644
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,640
» I'm getting the same questions.
>> Yep. And the sign is changed constantly.

645
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:05,440
It's not like the newsletter which comes
out once a month. Um,

646
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:10,880
» so if anything, I think we need to
rethink our purpose for this sign. Are

647
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:16,400
we trying to communicate with our
residents or are we just trying to just

648
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,680
label the building?
I'm perfectly happy labeling the

649
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,280
building. I don't think that there's any
benefit to an LED sign out front when we

650
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:30,240
have social media. We have a Facebook
page. I mean, if if you have people

651
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,760
calling you on the phone and asking you
what's [clears throat] going on, you can

652
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:37,040
either tell them or you can direct them
in the location where they can find that

653
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:43,119
info, which is, you know,
>> mine is not phone calls. Mine is emails.

654
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:46,640
Even on social media, they they're
complaining about having to go and log

655
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:50,319
into social media. They want to just
drive on their way home pass the

656
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,480
township building.
>> Why aren't we using our MCO ready? Why

657
00:54:52,559 --> 00:55:01,920
are we using our MCO readymore?
>> I'm sorry. So for uh our sheets, my

658
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:07,359
question was um because I heard
something about traffic. As far as

659
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,480
traffic, you would know best how much
traffic we actually get on this road.

660
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,800
Correct.
>> We get a I don't have an actual like a

661
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:18,400
traffic study. I mean, we do have a lot
of traffic that goes up and down.

662
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,280
» Right. And I think it's pass through
traffic because we're a cut through. I

663
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,520
don't think that that's a majority of
those people are residents.

664
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:32,000
The people that are residents are the
ones that are coming off of 63 or 29 and

665
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:35,440
funneling down into Spring Mount itself.
It's a very small percentage of the

666
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,200
township that sees that sign.
>> I don't think anybody would know that

667
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:42,960
unless we had an actual survey to go
around cuz from what I'm hearing, it's

668
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,160
the residents that are reaching out
through email stating to where

669
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,040
» we haven't had a sign.
>> I'm sorry.

670
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:53,760
» Are they reaching out to Jason? Are you
getting emails?

671
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:57,440
» I'm getting emails.
I think you should forward them then so

672
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:03,559
that we have a documentation of that.
>> I'm getting, you know, messages through

673
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,559
my Facebook like

674
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:09,119
» All right. Well, I said what I said. I
still stand behind it.

675
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,520
» Well, I'm just going to go back to this
issue again. If we put up a stagnant

676
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:18,160
sign, so Peter, this question is for
you, I guess. And as Becky stated, we

677
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,880
can do that with the insurance money of
$13,000. We don't need a single penny of

678
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:26,079
the grant funding. And if we go ahead
with that and kick back the 19,000

679
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,079
because we'd have to
>> That's the other way around.

680
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,920
» No, no, no.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The insurance is 19. The LSA

681
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,799
grant is 13,
>> whatever. So, if we kick back the grant

682
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:42,079
money because we don't need it because
we're just doing a stagnant sign that

683
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,280
are we going to
have trouble getting grants in the

684
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:51,119
future if we say thanks but no thanks,
take your money back.

685
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:54,000
I have no experience in this,
>> but that would be my worry.

686
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,440
» Yeah.
>> Before Before Before you kick it back

687
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:04,240
though, you should make the phone call,
talk to them, tell them the problem and

688
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:09,119
say, "At this point in time, we're
replacing the sign and we're not going

689
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:16,559
to doing a digital is just too
expensive. So, we're just going to do a

690
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:20,480
static sign." And I would throw to them,
you know, have Jason come up, we got to

691
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,960
have some other stuff that needs to be
done around this building that cost

692
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,359
$13,000 and say, "Hey,
>> yeah,

693
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,640
» we rather have it go towards this."
>> And they will let that happen.

694
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:37,920
» And and maybe it's
>> yes, not guaranteed, but there's no harm

695
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:44,960
in asking. Um and I think you know it it
would be behoove us to ask first fi get

696
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:51,040
that actual information from the horse's
mouth and then come back and say you

697
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:55,520
know then have this discussion you know
obviously you guys the five of you are

698
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,880
conflicted you're not on the same page
on this but I think you need to have a

699
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:04,960
full amount of information to decide
okay if we give up the LED does that

700
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:09,119
mean we're giving up the grant money.
And to be honest, we can ask them that.

701
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,720
Hey, if we give this grant money back,
is this going to impact our ability to

702
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,000
get grants later? I'd ask them that
question, too. Worst case scenario, they

703
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,480
lie to us. But, you know, ask these
questions, get this information, and

704
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:26,960
then you and then, you know, then you
guys, the five of you have the, you

705
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:33,119
know, the actual information, the facts
to base your decision on.

706
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:37,520
Um, you know, I'm not, as far as grants
go, you know, I look at grant contracts.

707
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:42,240
I review them. I I've been through the
process, but I'm on the outskirts of the

708
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:47,520
process. I'm not writing the grants. I'm
not handling I'm not talking to the

709
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:52,160
grant people. So, you know, I see this
stuff, but I don't know the inner

710
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:57,200
workings of it. So, I kind of I can give
you my advice, but at the same time, I

711
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,040
caution you it's, you know, from the
outskirts. I I would imagine if we had

712
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:07,359
to send that back, yes, that would be a
ding. I don't think that we have to, but

713
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:11,680
I I think that we should at least re
reach out to them. Uh Jason, and I I

714
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:16,960
would like to see something back from
them in writing saying

715
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:21,359
what the parameters are. You know, this
is what would happen if we decided to

716
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:25,200
change. We're not going with an LED.
We're going with something static. Not.

717
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,680
We're not sure what we're doing since
we're the board has not made that

718
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:30,400
decision yet.
>> True.

719
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,440
» We're just looking for hypotheticals and
get us the feedback in writing so that

720
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,359
we can say it.
>> So, is the only impediment the money? If

721
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,520
we had the money, would there still be
an impediment?

722
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:48,240
» Unbudgeted money. It's definitely
unbudgeted if it was find it to be an

723
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:53,119
emergency either.
>> Well, we haven't had a sign for almost a

724
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:58,960
year, so it's
So, as of right now, we have two that

725
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:02,960
don't want digital and two that do.
We have a fifth member. What do you What

726
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,520
are your thoughts?
Digital or non-digital?

727
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:17,680
» I I'd like to see the digital, but uh
Are they all 72 in across? Is there a

728
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:23,599
smaller one?
>> I know. I'm so big.

729
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:28,799
» Why so big? asking.
>> I mean,

730
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,319
I think the firehouse isn't that big.
>> It's going to cut it down.

731
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:38,559
» I know it's got to be cheaper.
>> Okay.

732
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:45,920
» And going back to what Becky stated, the
original price, and this was with a faux

733
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:52,880
brick base, 72 inches wide again,
um was about $33,000.

734
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:56,640
And you have 329
or you know between the insurance and

735
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,920
and the
uh the grant.

736
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,319
» Yeah, I think that we had a problem with
the construction of the the the foe the

737
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,839
the way that was described. It was not
of quality construction,

738
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:11,359
» right? But that's that's kind of like
just just so you guys understand that

739
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,160
was that's the starting point there.
>> So it's it's apparently it's you get

740
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,680
what you pay for.
>> We changed the resol like the resol it

741
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,960
was the better resolution. So that was
some of the uh upgrades. So, and are we

742
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:26,880
are we are we also taking into
consideration the long-term cost

743
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,160
associated with this
>> this my concern

744
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:35,119
» the subscription the electric the
replacement if something happens to it

745
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:39,839
the maintenance get a static sign you
know it's a lot it's it's a long it's

746
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,559
it's the cost creep on this is the same
as the cost creep long term it's a li

747
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:48,480
it's it's a financial thing that we're
going to have to consider every every

748
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,440
year
>> yeah that's what I had mentioned at the

749
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,079
first meeting when we when we open this
up the stability of this.

750
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,960
» Yeah.
>> And how is the stability going to be? Um

751
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,559
I mean with that being said, is there a
way that we can just get a quote just

752
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:08,160
for the digital sign and it be smaller
as though you know as what Terry was

753
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:12,480
suggesting?
And then I mean Terry if I'm please

754
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:18,960
correct me if I'm wrong. I think you
mentioned something about getting um

755
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:23,760
like a concrete quote done
um so that we could possibly just add

756
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:27,599
the digital sign to the concrete um
base.

757
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:32,799
» Terry,
>> well that's that's what I had looked at.

758
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:38,319
That's why the when I'm saying this 72
in across uh

759
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,680
» well that's why I asked um Jason to see
if he can get a smaller one quoted for

760
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,160
us.
>> This whole deal went from when it was

761
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:51,520
framed around I said why don't we get
rid of that frame and use peers and all

762
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:56,640
out of concrete but the guy's coming
back with the same price is what he's

763
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:01,760
doing. I think the guy's sticking it to
us to be honest with you.

764
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:05,920
I mean, the way I'm looking at it now,
he he's well, he's coming back with the

765
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:12,160
same price no matter what and adding
more on to it. We're trying to get rid

766
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:16,720
of that framework around that was cheesy
and the plaster and and we were trying

767
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,839
to make a nice concrete pier on each
side

768
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:24,480
and he's coming back up at the same
price and then more.

769
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,480
If you look at it, you really look at it
close.

770
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Can I make a comment? I
>> I don't see a return on the investment.

771
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:37,920
I'm sorry, Becky. Were you going to say
something?

772
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:42,079
» Yeah, I have a lot to say. So, um, this
size was decided on because in initial

773
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:46,640
conversation, this question was already
asked. We already brought it back to

774
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:51,680
Casey Sign. They don't go smaller
because the quality of the digital sign

775
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:56,799
will be crap for better or less words.
So then you're going to be paying some

776
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:02,000
astronomic price for a sign that looks
pretty crappy. So maybe yes, there are

777
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:05,280
signs out there that are smaller, but
then that's the decision you guys need

778
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:11,039
to make whether you you think that's
money well spent. Um B, what you're

779
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:14,559
looking at right now on the screen is a
concrete base. That's a concrete base

780
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:20,079
because that's what was the direction of
the board the last meeting. So what this

781
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:24,240
is was the direction of the board and it
is less expensive than the pillars on

782
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,920
the sides. If you want the pillars on
the sides, they are going to be more

783
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,920
money. So it just comes back to your
budget.

784
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:48,000
Noel, one of the other uh board, one of
the other concerns that I have is I

785
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:54,480
think
the this type of sign may be only a

786
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,079
transitory phase, so to speak. I'm
pretty sure there's going to be some

787
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:06,240
additional new technology that's come
going to come along, but I still think

788
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:11,599
given where our township uh where our
township building is, you the type of

789
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:15,839
traffic that goes down that road
um and the fact that most people are not

790
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:20,400
going to jump in their cars and drive
over to the township building to read a

791
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:24,960
sign. Most of the people I've talked to,
if you ask them

792
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:29,599
does, you know, how do they get their
information about what's going on in the

793
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:34,319
township, they all say they they say
they go on the website or they they see

794
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:41,200
the, you know, the various things come
through in Facebook. So, I can't I can't

795
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:46,640
see putting this technology out there.
it it doesn't seem to be serving the

796
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:53,119
purpose that I'd rather spend the money
upgrading our website um and doing other

797
01:05:50,640 --> 01:06:01,960
things like that rather than spending on
a digital sign when we can just label

798
01:05:55,359 --> 01:06:01,960
our building. Um that's that's where I

799
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,480
agree, Dan.

800
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:13,119
Okay. So, can we at least agree that
Jason is going to reach out to our rep

801
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:18,559
and get us something in writing um on
the hypothetical situation that we have

802
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:20,240
that he can share with the board?
>> Yes.

803
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:24,240
» Yes.
>> Yes. And can we all commit that at next

804
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,480
time we talk about this, we can make a
decision this year?

805
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,319
» I please.
>> So, I'm with you on that. I really am. I

806
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,960
» We've been talking about this all year
and we still have no sign.

807
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,079
» I know.
>> Okay.

808
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:40,559
» Excruciating. So, there were some chat
comments.

809
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:45,200
» Oh, here.
>> I can't see them. They're so tiny.

810
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:49,760
» Uh,
so the first comment, uh, this is from

811
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:52,880
Larry. Unless it's toppled in a future
hit and run, the sign will outlast all

812
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:55,680
of us. It will present the township to
residents and visitors. I support an

813
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,920
electronic sign.
>> Wait, wait a second. What are Is this

814
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,799
what we're going to do now? We're going
to start reading chat comments for Zoom.

815
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:06,240
» We never did this before. Or we is this
what we're allowing? I

816
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,920
» I I mean I think we can probably do that
maybe towards the end if you want

817
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:13,280
towards public comment.
>> Listen, I hear a lot of I hear a lot of

818
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,359
complaints about using Zoom to start
with.

819
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:22,480
» I I I don't think that this is the I
mean if they want to say something, they

820
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,760
can raise their hand and say it.
>> Yeah,

821
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,599
» chat's the option.
>> Diane Jordan has her hand.

822
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,599
» Okay.

823
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:37,000
» All right, guys. Well, now you know that
the chat is no longer available.

824
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,559
» Do you want chat?
>> You don't want to do this in public

825
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:46,240
meeting?
>> No, it's a question. Do you want you

826
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:51,520
want to do it? Do you want to have chat?
>> I would prefer it to be read but not

827
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:54,319
during a discussion. Pro possibly
towards the end of the meeting for

828
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,079
public comment. Yes.
>> For public comment.

829
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:59,400
» Yes.
>> Fair enough.

830
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:10,599
wants to make a comment, they can raise
their hand as they usually do and be

831
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,599
called on.

832
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,920
Well, given that um there is no ability
to raise a hand here since the video

833
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:26,400
won't come on, I will just
>> That's a fair assessment, Larry.

834
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:31,120
» Yeah. So, I am just going to speak from
my perspective. This is nothing to do

835
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:36,799
with Mara, but I think that a digital
sign is like the least we can do given

836
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:42,000
that we are in the 21st century. That
the old type passive sign with the uh

837
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:47,600
letters was very staff intensive. It
takes a lot of time to take the letters

838
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:51,520
up and down. It's not up to date. It's
not directed towards people who drive by

839
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:56,159
passively and may want to know that
there's a community community day coming

840
01:08:53,679 --> 01:09:01,120
up on the 12th. That's the person we
should be targeting. Not people who

841
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:04,640
would ordinarily, you know, be watching
Lower Frederick's social media and

842
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:11,440
understanding what's happening. This
it's for the the resident who just is

843
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:14,799
very apathetic, drives by or walks by
and sees a sign and says, "Wow, I didn't

844
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:19,040
know that. That's something good to
know." That's where I think a digital

845
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:24,400
sign makes the most sense. And I think a
future board would look at this and

846
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:28,880
wonder why did they put a old type sign
up in 2026.

847
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:33,520
It you know it didn't it doesn't it just
doesn't make any sense. So I just wanted

848
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:36,560
to get that message in. Anyway, that's
what I wrote in the chat.

849
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,920
» Okay. Thank you, Larry.
>> Um

850
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,319
» thank you.
>> Um Jason, there's clearly something

851
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:47,120
wrong with the volume. Is there anything
you can do? It's not just Dan, it's

852
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:51,799
anybody.
Yeah, Diane was really quiet, too.

853
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:58,080
» Okay, it's
>> because we haven't had this issue

854
01:09:55,679 --> 01:10:00,640
before.
>> All righty.

855
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,199
» Noel, are you there?
>> After Bob goes, Diane's had her hand up

856
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:10,159
for a while.
>> Go for it, Diane.

857
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:15,280
» Yeah. No, Bob, you go first.
>> Okay. Well, first of all, um, can can

858
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:19,840
everybody hear me? It's Bob Burns, Eagle
Railroad.

859
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,080
Go ahead.
>> Okay. I would be in favor of the

860
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:28,960
electronic sign. Uh I think we've
discussed this in the past where people

861
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:32,960
were looking forward to getting that.
Yes, we had a problem. The sign got

862
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:37,840
mowed over. Yes, it took a while to get
the money from the insurance company.

863
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:42,480
You got a little bit of a deficit going
on. You got a couple of bids from

864
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:49,600
people. Um you know, Terry's comment
about why is it 72 in? Yeah. Why is it

865
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:53,520
72 in? So, I mean, you know, if it can
be smaller, I understand what Becky

866
01:10:52,000 --> 01:11:01,199
said. You're going to possibly get a
lesser quality when you go decrease in

867
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:06,239
size. Um, we we have local people that
do signs in our area. Uh, Reed Sign

868
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:10,239
Company right up in Pensburg, Red Hill
area. I'm sure they would come down and

869
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:16,000
give us a quote. They do these signs all
over the place. Uh, it's funny they're

870
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:20,560
not on Facebook, but uh, you know, if
you look into them on their website, you

871
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:25,600
can check it out. And, you know, as far
as people going on the website to look

872
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:30,640
stuff up, I never go on the website. I
go on Facebook. If it's not on Facebook,

873
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:36,960
then I usually call and ask Jason or
Becky what's going on, and they tell me,

874
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:41,360
and you know, there we go. So,
okay.

875
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:48,800
» Thank you. And go ahead, Diane.
Go ahead, Diane.

876
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:54,480
» Thank you, Noel. Um, so I like the idea
of what Crystal said is figuring out

877
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:59,520
your purpose for the sign. What kind of
information does it really impart?

878
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,679
Um,
people know you have meetings every

879
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:09,199
month,
right? So, do you really have to put

880
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:16,719
that information on a digital sign out
front? People can go to Facebook or to

881
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:21,679
our website and they can see when the
meeting is calendar that Becky's done a

882
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:27,040
great job with. They can see what the
agenda is. I think if you're going to

883
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:35,600
talk about the future,
the future is all that it Facebook

884
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:38,800
website place. That's where people go. I
know people miss the sign out front.

885
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:45,679
» [laughter]
>> It was nice to see the little post up

886
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:50,960
letters, you know, meeting tonight, but
I think it's still going to take work

887
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:56,080
for um our administrative assistant to
have to put something in there every

888
01:12:53,199 --> 01:13:00,800
week or every day. It's not going out in
the weather and putting the letters up,

889
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:07,280
but you still have to do it. And of
course, I'm into dark skies. I'm not

890
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:13,520
quite sure the people across the street
um from the township how much they're

891
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:19,199
going to appreciate the glow. I mean, if
you do decide to get one, all five of

892
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:25,040
you, I hope you follow all of the dark
guys recommendations for how you turn

893
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:30,239
down the lighting at night and the
colors that you use. So, that's my

894
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:34,080
input. Good luck, guys.
>> Thank you, Diane. Siobhan, did you want

895
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:41,679
to say something?
I did. Sorry. Um the the images that

896
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:49,440
you've provided with the different
municipalities signs um there is just

897
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:55,520
such a range of what a digital sign
looks like and I think that should be

898
01:13:53,120 --> 01:14:01,120
taken into consideration. There are some
that are so tasteful and others that are

899
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:06,400
pretty obnoxious.
And with all of our discussions with the

900
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:15,120
VMU and what we want our country
township to look like, I just don't see

901
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:20,640
a an obnoxious sign with a concrete base
being what we're going for. Um, and I

902
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:28,080
feel like all the new construction in
our area, like Farm View and in the

903
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:32,560
village center, it all has, albeit fake
stone, it still has a really nice look

904
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:37,920
and it's consistent throughout the
township that way. And I just feel like

905
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:42,080
it would look so nice for the township
building to be kind of a leader in that

906
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:46,800
and show this is what we want our
township to look like, you know,

907
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:52,239
especially in the village area. Um, the
new Hannover Township sign is very

908
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:56,320
tastefully done. It looks dark in the
background. So, again, I'm very also

909
01:14:54,239 --> 01:15:03,760
concerned about the dark skies. I think
I've seen some some LED signs that are,

910
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:09,360
like I said, just obnoxious. And the new
handover sign has a black background.

911
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:14,080
It's very subdued. It's giving the
information, but it's not over the top.

912
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:19,760
And I think that's very professional.
It's very um courteous to our

913
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:26,640
environment and it still gets all the
information across that the township is

914
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:29,840
trying to um give to the community.
>> Thank you. You know, I I didn't know

915
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:36,440
that that was a digital sign. I didn't
think that was a digital sign at all.

916
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,440
» Wow.

917
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:44,400
» Thank you, Javon. That was uh good
feedback. I appreciate that.

918
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:48,679
Yeah, the lettering is not red, it's
white. The background's black.

919
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:56,239
» Jason, were those the options as well?
Like we were able to customize the

920
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:03,000
background color and
>> Yeah, it doesn't have

921
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,000
» Okay, just making sure.

922
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:15,760
Okay, I think for the time being we need
to move on from this. If any nobody has

923
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:21,280
any other comments, thank you for uh
everyone on Facebook who commented on

924
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:25,199
this. Uh Jason, you've been uh asked can
we get something by the end of this week

925
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:30,560
maybe then we can throw it back on our
agenda for the work session and wrap

926
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:33,560
this up.
Yeah,

927
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:39,199
» the hypothetical give all the little
details about like when we applied this,

928
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,920
you know, this is what we were looking
for.

929
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:46,800
» What was that?
>> Yes. And and amending it the whole

930
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,920
thing. Give the full picture and then
I'd like to see something back from

931
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:53,280
them. Maybe if you email them, that
might be the best way to do it because

932
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:58,400
then we can you can put your words down
the right way and then um they can give

933
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:02,480
us feedback in writing that we can see.
And can we also find out what kind of

934
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:06,000
sign New Hover has and where they got
it?

935
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:11,880
» Yeah, New Hand. Yeah.
I didn't think that was digital. Okay.

936
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,880
Bam.

937
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:20,560
So, yes, let's please move on from this.
Okay. Uh, next on our agenda is the um

938
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:25,040
admin request for approval of financing
options for the 2027 dump truck

939
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:29,199
purchase. Has everyone had a chance to
look at everything on here? Um, I know

940
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:36,719
what my winner winner is. What's uh
what's everyone else say?

941
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:43,040
» Um, how much did we put in the budget
for this item, Jason?

942
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:49,679
» Uh, there was a total of $197,000.
>> I would like to spend $197,000

943
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:55,520
and then finance the remaining.
>> So, that's more than 75% down. Wait, is

944
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:59,600
this on the 5year? We we've already
spent 36,290. So we'd have to take that

945
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:02,880
off the 197.
>> Is that what the 166944 is then? That's

946
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,719
the remainder.
>> No, that was just the the straight

947
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:12,000
percentages off of
>> So that So that would mean we would pay

948
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:18,560
Oh gosh, I'm doing this wrong. We would
pay an additional 161 and we would

949
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:23,520
finance what, like 58.
>> Okay, that's about right.

950
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:28,480
I I just think, you know, we're talking
about not spending another5 or $6,000 on

951
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:33,840
the sign. I don't want to spend another
15 or 20 or 30,000

952
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:36,080
to the bank for nothing.
>> In fact, I'd love to pay the whole

953
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,440
thing.
>> Yeah.

954
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:43,760
» off if people agreed, but definitely up
to the 197.

955
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,800
» Let's let's keep all the money we can
and not give it to the bank.

956
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:51,040
» So, basically, we're looking at putting
down 75%.

957
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:56,640
Well, I think it's a little more than
that. I think it's closer to I don't

958
01:18:53,280 --> 01:19:00,600
know whatever. So, what I get is 197US
36 is 161,

959
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:07,920
which would be a little And so, um, what
is that? So, we have to finance.

960
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:13,440
» Yeah, that's right. We'd have to finance
then 50.

961
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:17,040
» No, it would be 61 61,882
96 cent. So, it wouldn't have to

962
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:20,000
actually get financed. So it' be a
little higher than or we could just pay

963
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:24,320
the I mean could we just pay the whole
thing even though it's not in our

964
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:27,840
budget. Could we do that
>> or at least get to the 75%.

965
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:33,120
» So from what I'm understanding is
because we put down the 36

966
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:37,960
down already the balance that we have
budgeted for this is $160,79.31.

967
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:48,560
that could absolutely be used and we can
do that happy medium and use that up,

968
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:53,920
put it towards the um the amount. Now,
if we're going to be putting the 75 I'm

969
01:19:51,199 --> 01:20:00,400
sorry, uh I want to get numbers correct
here. If we're looking to do 5year 75%

970
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,080
down, it's 1669
44,

971
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,960
» right?
>> We would still have to find that other

972
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:14,640
6,000 or 5,000 and some change to put
towards a down payment. That would be a

973
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:20,320
lot more feasible than going into our,
correct me if I'm wrong, reserves.

974
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:24,920
Okay. Then if we were trying to outright
pay for it, it would be $61,882.96

975
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:34,560
out of our reserves to pay in full.
>> Is anybody looking to buy this outright

976
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:39,600
at all? I mean, I I
>> I I am I mean, I understand we're taking

977
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:44,800
money out of reserves, but I hate to
even give 70 I mean, $7,500 is $7,500

978
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:48,000
we're getting nothing back for.
>> Are we getting a percentage on that on

979
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,080
that reserves
>> as it's sitting?

980
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:56,480
» Well, yeah. What What interest are we
getting in our CDs?

981
01:20:53,520 --> 01:21:01,760
» Still all like three and a half to 4%.
like this the our bank accounts are

982
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,440
that's still kind of held firm on the on
the percentages.

983
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:10,320
» I would rather not touch that. Then what
if we just still get down to the 75% and

984
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:14,120
put another
You're better at 6,236.96

985
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:25,320
and then call it the 75% the 20 finance
25%.

986
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:33,920
» I'm sorry. Say, can you repeat that? So
that you said the difference between

987
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:41,600
$61,882.96
and $55,648

988
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:46,960
was six uh 6,2
uh looks like $36.96.

989
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:52,040
So I'm proposing putting that extra
towards it and then financing the 55,648

990
01:21:53,199 --> 01:22:02,480
» which is 25% for 5 years.
I would rather go that route.

991
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:07,840
» Like I said, I had my winner. It was the
75% down. So, what however those numbers

992
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:11,800
worked out, I'm that's the interest is
the least amount. I mean,

993
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,560
for 5 years.

994
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:24,000
Terry, do you have anything to add? You
know what it's like to buy a dump truck.

995
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:27,326
» That's what you want to do. You know,
it's fun. [clears throat]

996
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:33,639
Can I propose a motion?
>> What about Dan?

997
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:41,440
» It's late.
>> Yeah. Um,

998
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:46,320
» talk really loud.
>> Talk really loud. Okay, I'll try. Can

999
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:50,600
you hear me now?
Okay.

1000
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,600
Um

1001
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:59,280
yeah, I think there's been statements
made u that

1002
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:05,280
we should be looking to finance some of
these things. That was brought up by a

1003
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:11,199
number of the members of the board in
previous meetings. So, I think we should

1004
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:18,880
be looking at those options over the
I understand what Mara's saying, but

1005
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:23,239
um I I think there is wisdom to
spreading out the payments, too.

1006
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:31,840
» Yeah. The the the challenge with that,
Dan, is we're throwing a lot of money at

1007
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:38,480
the bank from between $23,000,
which is for interest. We could spend

1008
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:42,480
that $23,000 on something. So, if you
can write off your interest, if you're a

1009
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:46,960
for-profit business, that's one business
decision, but we can't do that. This is

1010
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:51,120
just money out of our pockets. We're
giving to the bank with nothing to see

1011
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:56,719
for it. So, I I just think we need to
spend as little as possible in financing

1012
01:23:53,520 --> 01:24:00,159
because that's money we're just
we're never going to see any benefit

1013
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:04,880
from paying interest. It's just money
out of our out of our budget for

1014
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:08,159
nothing. especially
since we budgeted for most of this

1015
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,840
already.
>> We have the money in our budget for

1016
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:16,719
2026.
>> I understand that point completely. Um I

1017
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:21,840
just don't feel comfortable touching our
reserves considering reserves are

1018
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:25,199
specifically for emergency type of
situations

1019
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:29,280
and this does not happen to be an
emergency situation.

1020
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:32,639
» Is talking about financing.
>> Oh, like putting less down.

1021
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:37,639
» Putting less down. Yes, that was his
point about putting less down. Yeah.

1022
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:37,639
» Yeah.

1023
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:47,199
» Okay. Well, we have a motion before us
this evening. Um the move uh the motion

1024
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:54,480
is to authorize financing with municipal
capital finance with Unvest for 5 years

1025
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:58,000
with a down payment of 75%
and further authorize the township

1026
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:01,040
manager to sign paperwork necessary to
complete the financing. Can I get a

1027
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:04,000
motion?
I'll make that motion.

1028
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,679
» Supervisor Jona makes the motion. Is
there a second?

1029
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:08,800
» I will second.
>> Supervisor Hexter makes the second. All

1030
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,000
those in favor say I.
>> I.

1031
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,000
» I.
>> I.

1032
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:18,840
» Okay. Motion passes unanimously.
>> Wow. Okay. We're going to talk about

1033
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,840
this.

1034
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:26,480
Okay. The next up on our agenda this
evening is appointment of financial

1035
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:30,639
institute.
Um,

1036
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:35,280
I'd be happy to read this. We do this
annually at the reorganizational earlier

1037
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:40,159
this year. Quakertown National Bank
purchased Victory Bank, which had been

1038
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:44,960
the primary township bank since 2018.
Section 708 of the PA Secondass Township

1039
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:49,600
Code, provides that the board of
supervisor designates the depository for

1040
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:56,000
township funds to update the township's
records following the merger acquisition

1041
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:59,840
between Q&B and Victory Bank. Um, the
township should formally recognize

1042
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:04,719
Quakertown National Bank as an
authorized township depository. Does

1043
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:09,760
anyone have any questions or uh any
questions about this? Any comments?

1044
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:14,880
Okay, not seeing any. The motion before
us is to designate Quakertown National

1045
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:18,000
Bank as an authorized depository for
Lower Frederick Township Funds,

1046
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:23,280
replacing the Victory Bank following its
merger with QNB. I will make that

1047
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,199
motion. Is there a second?
>> I'll second. I'll second it.

1048
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,199
» Supervisor Sax makes the second. All of
those in favor say I.

1049
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,400
» I.
>> I.

1050
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:35,000
» I.
>> I.

1051
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:35,000
» Motion passes unanimously.

1052
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:43,600
Uh, next on our agenda is sewer request
approval of UV service and parts repair

1053
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:46,800
for the sewer treatment plant. Uh, this
has been on the sewer capital

1054
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:51,280
improvement plan uh, over the last few
years. It's part of the process at the

1055
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:54,800
sewer plant in disinfecting and treating
the wastewater. It can improve treatment

1056
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:59,280
reliability, maintain a proper
disinfections levels, ensure out

1057
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:04,480
continued compliance with wastewater
discharge permit requirements. We

1058
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:08,159
budgeted $4,640 for this project this
year. The Silver Capital Fund can

1059
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:13,040
certainly handle the additional money
needed for the project, and the amount

1060
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:20,400
includes parts and labor. We received a
quote from PSI Plumbing Services dated

1061
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:28,280
August 17th, 2026 for the amount of
$5,469

1062
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:28,280
82. Does anyone have any questions?

1063
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:35,760
Okay, not seeing any. The motion before
us this evening is to accept the quote

1064
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:39,920
from PSI Process Pump Services in the
amount of $5,469.82

1065
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:43,679
82 cents and further authorize the
township manager to sign any paperwork

1066
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,000
to complete the project. Can I get a
motion?

1067
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,920
» So move.
>> Supervisor Hexter makes the motion. I

1068
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:52,000
will make the second. All of those in
favor say I.

1069
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:54,239
» I.
>> I.

1070
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:00,080
» I.
>> Motion passes unanimously.

1071
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:06,719
Okay. Next is public works request for
guardrail replacement at Game Farm and

1072
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:11,920
Smith Road. Uh this was brought to um
the township manager's attention earlier

1073
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:16,880
this year. Our uh roadmaster Thomas
struggled to get more than one quote for

1074
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:21,679
this repair project. Uh collision is a
co-stars dealer. That's the only one we

1075
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:26,400
could get. Correct. Okay. Uh there is a
photo showing the damage.

1076
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:31,040
Okay.
And this is a safety issue obviously. So

1077
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,760
we would like to move forward. Um, we
haven't talked much about guardrails,

1078
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:36,719
but there have been a few more of these
that will be coming in front of the

1079
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:42,080
board over the next few months, and I've
seen a couple myself. So, all righty.

1080
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,719
So, does anyone have any questions? Any
comments?

1081
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:48,880
» Uh, the only, I guess, comment I have
is, is this something um I'm looking at

1082
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:53,280
you, Tommy, that should go into like our
capital fund to have some of them

1083
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:57,280
repaired every year? Yes. Okay, great.
>> Good to know. Thank you. Okay, so the

1084
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:02,159
motion before us this evening is to
accept the quote from Collision, Inc. in

1085
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:06,000
the amount of $7,60 to replace the
damaged guard rail located at Smith and

1086
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:09,840
Game Farm Road and further authorize the
township manager to sign any paperwork

1087
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,080
to complete the project. Can I get a
motion?

1088
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:17,360
» I move.
>> Oh, can I think

1089
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:20,159
» Dan, did you have a comment?
>> Oh, did you make a Okay,

1090
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:24,159
» I tried to move the motion.
>> Supervisor Sax makes the motion.

1091
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:29,600
Supervisor Orf makes the second. All of
those in favor say I.

1092
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:33,600
» I. I. Motion passes unanimously.
And I believe,

1093
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:38,199
does that conclude our meeting this
evening? Nope, we have one more.

1094
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:46,480
Ah, last but not least, uh, the
resignation of Rebecca Strawbridge from

1095
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:50,400
the park and wreck board. Um, a
consensus, uh, let's see here. Becky

1096
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:55,120
submitted this through Katie Lewis, our
park and wreck chair on August 31st,

1097
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,719
2026. And there is now an open position
on the park and rec board. Becky, I hope

1098
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:04,000
whatever reason that you're not going to
be on the park board is a good one.

1099
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,639
» I moved.
>> Congratulations.

1100
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:09,920
» Thank you.
>> Okay. All right. All right. So, we just

1101
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:14,719
need a consensus to accept the
resignation of Rebecca Strawbridge as of

1102
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:20,560
September 1st, 2026 for the term ending
1231 2029 from the park and wreck board.

1103
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:23,280
I'm will give my thumbs up for that.
Everyone else,

1104
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:27,280
» yep, we'll miss you, Becky.
>> Okay. Thank you, Becky, for everything

1105
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:32,960
you've done so far.
>> Greatly appreciated.

1106
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:35,960
Okay. Next on our agenda is public
comments.

1107
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:43,880
Jason, do you want to give your
presentation then?

1108
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,880
» It's just the introduction.

1109
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:50,560
» Is it just the timeline?
>> It's it's just most of the regurgitated

1110
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,719
information
>> that you already gave in the treasurer's

1111
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:58,880
report.
>> Just just post it. Okay, that's great.

1112
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:02,960
Okay, thank you.
Okay, and then uh last last was the

1113
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,480
ordinance village mixed. We were
supposed to discuss that this evening,

1114
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:08,480
but
>> just just for the board, uh, John did

1115
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:13,600
send me some stuff like right before the
meeting that I have to forward. Um, he

1116
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:19,520
is, as he said, the design standard
stuff. It's he's he's doing he's a

1117
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:23,360
little out of his um
experience, so it's taken him a little

1118
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:26,400
longer, but he is close. But he does
have some stuff for me to send to you

1119
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:31,040
guys, which I will shortly.
>> Okay. So, can we get a like a drop

1120
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:35,360
deadad date on where we're going to get
everything? Preferably not the day

1121
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:40,000
before the next meeting cuz that's when
I would like to get this wrapped up.

1122
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:45,199
» So, I've made him aware of the 18 the
September 15th date as as the as the

1123
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:48,239
goal date. So, um I didn't get that
response back yet, but

1124
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,520
» So, of course, we're going to be looking
to get that like be well before the

1125
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,520
15th.
>> Like I said, I'm going to give you what

1126
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:57,280
he sent me.
>> I would love the 10th.

1127
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:59,600
» Thursday. Is that a Thursday?
>> Has to be the week before.

1128
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,920
» Has to be the week before. Yeah, I
agree.

1129
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,360
» Thursday or Friday before the meeting.
>> Like I said, you guys got you'll have

1130
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:10,320
stuff now. It's the design standard
stuff that he's still

1131
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:14,320
he's got the updates, the or like
everything that was from the last

1132
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:16,960
discussion, but he's working diligently.
I think he's he's hoping it'd be done by

1133
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:22,639
this week.
>> Hoping to be done by this week. Okay.

1134
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:25,840
All righty then.
Having said that, we're up to public

1135
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:29,199
comment. Is there any public comment,
Katie?

1136
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:33,040
» Yes, I'll wait. I promise.
>> Okay. I just wanted to thank Becky for

1137
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:37,360
her service on the park board. She's
done a lot and I know we've relied

1138
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:44,239
heavily on her um given her position
with the township. And just thank you

1139
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:49,760
and you're not done with us yet. So,
>> thanks Katie. I'll be around. You know,

1140
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:55,199
you can't get rid of me that easily.
>> Okay. Diane, you have a comment or are

1141
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,520
you just waving? I was just clapping for
Becky.

1142
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:02,560
» Okay. Thank you. All right. Are there
any public comments? Any other any

1143
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:07,120
anything else? Okay. Is there any
>> Oh.

1144
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:11,360
Oh, I'm sorry, Bob. Go ahead.
>> Bob Burnsler Railroad. Uh the chief had

1145
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:18,400
mentioned earlier that he didn't have
any uh information on the traffic study.

1146
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:24,320
I believe when Chief Maxi was here, um
there was a study done for Zigglerville

1147
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:30,880
Main Street and Spring Mountain Road. Uh
my memory serves me that uh Spring Mount

1148
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:35,280
Road had around 1,500 cars per day. Uh I
believe uh it was around a thousand

1149
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:39,840
between Main Street and Zigglerville
Road. So I'm sure we can find that

1150
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:43,120
information if you needed that.
>> Yes. And I think if we found it, we

1151
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:48,400
would then have to try and figure out
how many of them are actually residents.

1152
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:52,719
» Well, here again, you know, we're
advertising for your community day.

1153
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:57,360
We're trying to pull people in from
around our community, not just just not

1154
01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:00,400
just our community. So, you know, as
you're talking that you think that

1155
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:04,159
there's a certain percentage of those
people that are just cutting through,

1156
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:06,880
maybe they'll see the sign and say, "Oh,
well, why don't we bring our kids over

1157
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:10,239
to that or why don't we make a family
day there?" So, you know, there's 10

1158
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:14,080
different ways of looking at it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Bob.

1159
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:18,120
» Yeah. Bye.
>> Okay. Supervisor comment.

1160
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:27,040
» Um I just wanted to announce a um a
workshop that's going to be occurring on

1161
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:31,440
October 8th at our township building.
It's going to be run by the McGomery

1162
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:36,480
County Planning Commission and the topic
will be lawn to meadow conversion. So,

1163
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:42,159
any of you who are interested in having
less grass to mow and more shrubbery and

1164
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:47,520
bushes and wild flowers, please come and
tell all your friends. And again, that's

1165
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:53,040
going to be here um at 4 p.m. on October
8th. And once they produce their flyer,

1166
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:57,360
we can get that out as well.
>> Okay, terrific. Thank you, Mara. All

1167
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:02,440
right,
not seeing any other comments. This

1168
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,440
meeting is adjourned.