1 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:12,360 Stand for the pledge of allegiance. 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:21,760 I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America to the republic for 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:27,080 which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, 4 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:27,080 justice for all. 5 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:37,719 Oh, really? 6 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:43,800 » Get used to it. 7 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:55,559 » Okay. 8 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,199 I'm going to call to order the regular public meeting of Lower Point Township 9 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:05,519 Board of Supervisors for Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. 10 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Board of Supervisors did meet in executive session on August 31st, 2026, 11 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,720 and prior to tonight's meeting to discuss matters of real estate related 12 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,000 to the public works garage, personnel related to police, and potential 13 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:22,159 litigation related to emergency management and parks. 14 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:26,640 One announcement I want to make sure that everyone is aware of and remembers. 15 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:30,720 Our fall fest is Saturday, September 19th from noon to 5:00 p.m. Enjoy an 16 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:35,119 afternoon of fall fun on the Houston road by Whistah Hicken Middle School and 17 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:39,439 High School actually in the road. Everyone come out if you can. A special 18 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:44,000 board of supervisors meeting will be held on Tuesday, October 6 at 7 p.m. in 19 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,320 the township building to discuss a proposed zoning ordinance amendment 20 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:52,479 regulating data centers. want to open it up to citizen comments, 21 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,640 concerns, and questions for items not on the agenda. 22 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Seeing none, we're going to move on to stormwater permitting 101 presented by 23 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:07,640 our township engineer, Jim Hirs. 24 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Thank you, Danielle. Um, so Mimi asked me to give this 25 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:27,120 presentation to uh the board and to the public as just an kind of an overview of 26 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:33,360 the MS4 permit program uh where we're at now and where we're moving to in the 27 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:39,120 future. So um the next slide please Jamie. The MS4 MPDS 28 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:44,720 permit program uh MPDS stands for National Pollutant Discharge Elimination 29 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:49,680 System. Uh MS4 stands for municipal separate storm sewer system. Uh this is 30 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:54,800 a federallymandated permit program. Um it's enforced by EPA. I believe it came 31 00:02:52,160 --> 00:03:02,080 into effect uh as part of the Clean Water Act. Uh EPA pushed those 32 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:05,840 regulations onto uh Pennsylvania D who pushed those regulations onto local 33 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:10,159 municipalities. So much like storm water, the regulations run downhill and 34 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,760 you guys didn't really have anywhere else to uh push them off to. There you 35 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:18,000 go. [laughter] So, uh the ultimate goal of the program 36 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,480 is to uh recognize and increase awareness uh for storm water as a 37 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:26,800 pollutant or a point source pollutant discharge. Um so what ends up happening 38 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:31,760 when there is any kind of a pollutant on the ground and it rains uh the raindrops 39 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:37,440 pick up those pollutants and then that's what travels to the creeks and uh causes 40 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,799 them to be impaired. So um you know we're trying to manage storm water and 41 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:46,319 then we're also trying to raise awareness and um you know clean it up. 42 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:52,239 Next slide. Um so the base of the program is four uh 43 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:58,000 best management practices which are called minimum control measures. Um 44 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:02,959 basically through the township staff through some assistance from uh my 45 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,799 office through your u environmental advisory committee and through you know 46 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,599 the board of supervisors you're you're complying with these minimum control 47 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:16,400 measures uh public education and outreach. There's a storm water page on 48 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,440 your website where residents can go and they can click on information and they 49 00:04:17,919 --> 00:04:24,160 they can see kind of what's going on with storm water in the township, what 50 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:27,440 they can do to um you know do their part. We'll go over that in a little 51 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:33,600 bit. Uh public involvement and participation. Your EAC has the Gwenned 52 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Green program where they're sort of um you know challenging residents to um you 53 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:42,800 know increase awareness and then also just be involved in overall 54 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:48,960 environmental concerns and storm water things as well. Um elicit discharge 55 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:54,160 detection elimination. So there's about um [clears throat] 100 outfalls 56 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:58,720 where storm water discharges to various creeks throughout the township. So what 57 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:05,280 ends up happening your MS4 pro or your system is like the collection of roads, 58 00:05:01,919 --> 00:05:09,360 ditches, uh drainage, inlets along the road, pipes, and then those all that 59 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:16,000 stuff leads to what's called an outfall. Um, so as part of the program, every 5 60 00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:20,560 years, my office goes out and we screen the outfalls to make sure that if 61 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:25,120 there's dry weather flow in those outfalls, which means it hasn't rained 62 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:28,080 within 72 hours and there's flow in them, then we take a sample and we send 63 00:05:26,479 --> 00:05:33,199 it to a lab and we make sure that that is like clean water or ground water most 64 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:37,199 likely. And it's not um you know somebody has a 65 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,080 sort of uh someone has a bathroom in their basement that they have connected 66 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,479 to something that they're not supposed to or um you know any other it's not 67 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:50,000 coming from any place that's not clean water. So we we test those on a 5year 68 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:54,880 rolling cycle. Um we we haven't really found any that have uh something in them 69 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:58,800 but if they do then we sort of try to trace it back and and figure out where 70 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,960 the um you know pollution might be coming from. 71 00:06:00,479 --> 00:06:08,240 uh construction site storm water runoff control. It's uh basically done through 72 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:13,120 the ENS permits and um you know construction erosion control stuff. Um 73 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:17,919 you know you see the silt sock, you see the tire cleaners like during 74 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:22,160 construction is a big time when sediment can run off because the ground's 75 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:26,800 exposed. So, you know, everybody that moves any earth in the township has to 76 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:31,759 have an ENS plan and a permit in place. And our office is overseeing the 77 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:35,759 construction uh post construction, storm water management, development, 78 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,800 redevelopment. This is uh handled through your storm water management 79 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:44,400 ordinance because anytime anyone proposes a thousand square feet or more 80 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:48,240 of imperous surface, they're required to install storm water management controls, 81 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:54,160 whether that's a rain garden, a seepage pit, a rain barrel, storm water basin to 82 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:58,960 control runoff so that post construction their storm water is um less or 83 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,160 equivalent to what was there from pre-development. 84 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,319 uh pollution prevention, good housekeeping. 85 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,880 The township has a public works, you know, you public works garage, you've 86 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:15,599 got various public's works facilities. Um, you know, that's Fred making sure 87 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:19,280 that there's spill kits at everywhere where there should be spill kits that 88 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:24,560 when they wash the trucks, it's going into a drain that eventually goes to the 89 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:29,199 sanitary system and and not to the storm water system. Um, so a lot of the 90 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:35,360 pollution prevention, good housekeeping measures are are the public works arm of 91 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:41,360 this. Um, I will say that D comes out about once every 5 to 10 years to to do 92 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:46,240 an audit of the program. Jamie, myself, Fred uh met with the D people and uh 93 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:52,260 they were all very happy with everything that the township had been doing to kind 94 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:55,840 of comply with these six MCMS. [clears throat] What uh what can 95 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,039 residents do to help? There's uh some information on the website as I said, 96 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:04,240 but like you know just kind of making sure that like your stuff um you know if 97 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:09,360 you're washing your car, it's draining to you know your your yard instead of 98 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,360 right down your driveway and into a storm drain. If it gets to the yard, 99 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:16,960 then the grass and the soil can have a chance to kind of get some of those 100 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:20,960 pollutants out before it gets to the creek. Um you know, cleaning up after 101 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:26,639 your pets, pretty self-explanatory thing. Um, you 102 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:30,400 know, you could consider planting uh more trees at your house. I know 103 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:34,399 everybody likes to use fertilizer in their yard because they want their yard 104 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:38,240 to look really nice. And I I use it myself, so I'm not going to say don't 105 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:41,919 use it, but um you know, if you could use it as sparingly as possible cuz a 106 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:47,200 lot of the waters are impaired for nutrients, and one of the uh primary 107 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:53,600 contributors to nutrients is fertilizer in our lawns and yards. um you know, 108 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:58,800 properly dispose of hazardous materials. Um if you've got old paint or um you 109 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:03,760 know, gasoline or oil or whatever, like those have to go to a like a recycling 110 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:07,519 facility that they can't just be dumped into the ground or dumped uh you know, 111 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:13,600 into the storm drain. And then you can also report um if you see any discharges 112 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:18,800 from any of the outfalls that you think are um you know, a pollutant, then you 113 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:23,279 know, report it to the township. I think there's probably a link on the website 114 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:26,800 or the you guys have that traer links thing, right? 115 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:31,040 » Yeah, we have the citizens request portal and there's a storm water um 116 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:33,279 option in there that you could report anything like that. 117 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:39,120 » Okay. >> Um what would be a pollutant or what 118 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:45,600 would be a constitute a discharge to call about? Next slide. Um, anything 119 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:48,959 that's like you see discolored water, a color you're not expecting to see. I 120 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:53,120 mean, the picture shows what happens when like oil mixes with water or 121 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:58,240 gasoline mixes with water. Uh, so does it have a sheen, a film, a foam, an 122 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:03,640 odor? Um, if you see a bunch of dead fish in the creek, that would probably 123 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,640 call. 124 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:16,000 um the another so the MCMs are like the baseline for the program and those have 125 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:21,839 been around for since the program was started which I'm going to say was about 126 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:26,720 like 20 years ago now. Um but in the last like 5 to 10 years there's this 127 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:32,480 extra layer of it and those are um pollution reduction plans. Um, so if 128 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:37,120 you're if you had an impaired water within your township and you guys have 129 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:44,079 two, you actually have the the whisten watershed which is probably 90% 130 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:48,560 of your township and then uh the little naminity is the other, you know, 10 to 131 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:53,200 15%. Both of those are impaired for uh 132 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:59,040 sediment and and nutrients. So, we we had to do a pollution reduction plan and 133 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,120 that was a five-year plan to implement um best management practices, BMPPS to 134 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:09,839 uh you know try to clean up the water as best as we could. So, what was a 135 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:15,680 pollution reduction plan? Um we had to reduce the overall uh sediment to the 136 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:20,800 waterways by 10% and the nutrients by 5%. So, there was a like I said an 137 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,240 initial 5-year term. It was 2020 to 2025. 138 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:31,040 D um decided to extend that 5-year permit 139 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:35,680 term uh to 2030. So, we basically just had to reapply and we got granted an 140 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:40,560 extension to 2030. So, what type of improvements were made. Uh we did some 141 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:45,040 rain gardens. Uh there's one at the back corner of this township building where 142 00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:48,959 there used to be a landscaped island next to I don't even know if it was 143 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:53,920 landscape but there's an island next to one of the parking rows and uh you know 144 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:58,720 it got hogged out. It got some amended soils in it. It got planted with some 145 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:02,480 native plants and then there's about let's say like a quarter of this 146 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,519 building the roof drains from it were redirected and then they drain into 147 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,839 there. It fills up and then it eventually drains to the creek. So it's 148 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:16,079 cleaning water. Um, we did basin retrofits where like a lot of basins 149 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:20,160 that were put in in the 80s and 90s. They didn't do water quality. They were 150 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,240 just really concerned with flood mitigation. So, um, you know, we did 151 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,560 some retrofits there. I have a couple slides later on of ones that we did at 152 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:32,959 Springhouse Farms in the adjacent community here where there were, uh, 153 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:36,720 concrete lowflow channels that we were were were taken out and they were 154 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,160 naturally planted. Uh we also did some stream bank restoration. There was a 155 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:46,000 stream bank restoration project that happened behind the township building um 156 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:51,519 in conjunction with the replacement of the uh old Betham Pike culvert. You can 157 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:55,760 also do new basins and you can do riparian buffer enhancement forestation 158 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,040 and and meadows. Those are all like examples of things that can be done in 159 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,040 the plan. Uh so this is just a little bit about 160 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:07,519 the springhouse farm basin retrofit. That picture the top left shows like the 161 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:11,279 concrete low flow channels that go through. There's basically two places 162 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:16,560 where the storm water would come through pipes and then go and lead towards that 163 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:21,519 outlet on the left. Um you know in the summertime the sun is baking that 164 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:27,360 concrete. That concrete's hot and then the flow comes through. It runs across 165 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,880 that concrete. It gets hot hotter picks up the heat and then gets into the 166 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:36,880 creek. And the thermal impacts to the creek are a big deal because the aquatic 167 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:41,120 life is used to a temperature that uh you know the creek is at and then an 168 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:46,079 influx of this warm water comes in and you know they don't like it. The center 169 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:50,160 picture is just kind of like the native planting and kind of what we ended up 170 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:56,320 doing. We took out the low flow channel. It became a meandering river rock 171 00:13:53,519 --> 00:14:00,240 situation. Um that river rock doesn't get as hot as the concrete. And then 172 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:06,160 also the plantings, the native plantings on like 10 feet of either side of that 173 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:10,480 um create the the native look that um you know increases improves water 174 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:16,560 quality, reduces the thermal impact. The the native plants create a more diverse 175 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:22,000 eco system and uh there's a reducing reduction in runoff through infiltration 176 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:27,680 evapo transpiration. So that's a example of a project that counted towards the 177 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:32,560 PRP pollution reduction plan. the uh Willow Run stream bank enhancement that 178 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:38,320 was uh upstream and downstream of the new culvert that's behind the township 179 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:43,440 building. Um before there was some pretty significant erosion on the top 180 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:50,000 and bottom of the the culvert in that area and then leading down towards 181 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Betham Pike. Um the project creates uh more like uh gentler banks and um also 182 00:14:54,639 --> 00:15:00,880 the plantings and uh matting and and all the 183 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:06,560 reinforcement will help to solidify the soil and prevent future erosion. Um so 184 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:10,959 there's kind of like a before, a during and then um that's after picture that 185 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:15,120 Fred took last week. So it's like it's growing in pretty nicely and I would 186 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:18,399 expect it to grow in um a little better too as it moves on. 187 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:26,399 So kind of next steps and you know I'll answer any questions anyone might have 188 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:31,519 but uh so the current permit term will end in 2030. There's uh one more program 189 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:37,440 or there's one more um project that we're going to try to get done before 190 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:44,320 2030. It's in the little Namin Creek wershed which is essentially the corner 191 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:51,360 of the township that is bound by Mckeen Tennis and Welsh Road. Um like J&J's 192 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:57,279 campus is a big part of that and uh you know those neighborhoods 193 00:15:53,360 --> 00:16:03,120 that um are at the corner of Tennis and uh Welsh Landfair Llewellyn like all 194 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:08,320 those are in that area too. There's not a lot of space over there to do a lot of 195 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:12,959 like improvements, but um we did identify there's two creeks that go 196 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:17,519 through J&J's campus and um there's a potential to do some storm water to do 197 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,240 some stream bank stabilization there. We had some discussions with them a while 198 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:26,800 ago. We actually put a grant in for it, but we didn't get it. Um but you know, 199 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:32,079 we'll just keep trying to try to get a grant to do that one last project. But 200 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:36,320 like generally speaking in, you know, consideration of like what I know about 201 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:40,079 other neighboring municipalities and like similar situations, you guys are 202 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:47,199 definitely in a good spot and like ahead of the curve for this. Um, 203 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:52,560 and then, you know, before the 2030 permit term ends, D's definitely going 204 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:57,839 to come up with some kind of new regulation to try to make you guys do 205 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:02,560 five more years of projects. They just haven't said what that will be yet. I 206 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:07,039 mean, they teased it a little bit and they took some comments on it, but I 207 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,400 mean, it's just basically going to be you got to do some more projects. We got 208 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:14,880 to try to find places for those projects. Um, it will become harder 209 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:18,640 because the 210 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:24,160 avail like the township only has so much land. So, you're going to have to really 211 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:27,679 start to probably try to partner with um different entities and and try to get 212 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:33,520 creative with how you get it done. But until we know what the rules are, it 213 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:39,280 doesn't really pay to sort of guess on it. Um the other thing, the Whisick and 214 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:48,160 Clean Water Partnership, um we call it the Quip. Um about 10 years ago, I'd say 215 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:53,840 10, yeah, 10 10 12 years ago, the D released a draft of what they call a 216 00:17:50,559 --> 00:18:00,720 TMDL plan. It's a TMDL stands for total maximum daily load. Um they were 217 00:17:57,679 --> 00:18:05,919 basically saying that the um the Whisticken Creek was impaired for 218 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:10,960 phosphorus which is a nutrient and that the uh it was a draft and that if it was 219 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:15,520 released that you know all municipalities would have to comply with 220 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:21,679 this and some of the reductions were very very very very steep like you know 221 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:26,960 you've got to reduce 95% of all phosphorus that goes to the waterways. 222 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:32,640 A lot of municipalities, a lot of engineers thought that it was an 223 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:36,880 unachievable goal. So there was a coalition of like 13 municipalities that 224 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:42,400 formed the Swiss Hickin Clean Water Partnership to work with D and the EPA 225 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:48,240 to come up with what they call an alternative TMDL. Basically like will 226 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:54,000 you not release this thing you said you might release if we come to you with a 227 00:18:50,480 --> 00:19:00,320 plan that you deem equivalent to that? And um I mean they've been working with 228 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:05,840 D and the EPA for like 10 years now and they haven't quite come to a resolution 229 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:11,120 on that yet. Um lower when it is part of this quip. I I think you're all aware of 230 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:15,520 that. And um you know eventually when the quip gets approved 231 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:21,200 they're going to the quip is going to come to lower and they're going to ask 232 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:25,520 that you you know buy into the the plan and there's going to be certainly you 233 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:32,000 know more improvements that will will need to be made yet to be determined 234 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:38,880 whether that quip and those improvements uh relieve you of what's 2030 to 2035 in 235 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:44,960 D's eyes like D won't say. You can ask them, but they won't say. Um, so that's 236 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:48,080 kind of where we have that at. Is there anything you 237 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:54,160 want me to add to that? Do you want to add anything? 238 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:59,679 Just say that we've just received DP's comments about it. Um, there is a 239 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:06,160 meeting on Thursday of members of the Wisconsin Clean Water Partnership to 240 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:10,000 discuss it. Um, this was months ago. EPA had sent comments to D really what 241 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,400 sounded like questioning the whole premise of the alternative TMDL 242 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,320 which is kind of doing this watershedwide approach to storm water 243 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:25,679 improvements instead of focusing specifically on reducing the phosphorus 244 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:31,039 which is what exceeds the the total maximum daily load that they want to 245 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:35,280 see. Um, DP acknowledged some of that in the comments, but also sort of 246 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:41,360 acknowledged the years of work that have been done to summarize it in a nutshell. 247 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,200 This sounds to me like years more work trying to get this water quality 248 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:49,280 improvement plan ready for adoption. I don't know if they're going to really 249 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:53,679 give us more that much more time. They there was no indication in the comment 250 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:58,240 letter that they wouldn't, but we'll know more about how this is going to 251 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:04,000 proceed after the meeting on Thursday. Hopefully, 252 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:07,679 that's the management committee of the group. 253 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:14,240 » May I ask when we last got our permit? Was it 2025 or was it 2020 254 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:19,120 from D? Yeah, we we applied at the end of last year and I think we got it at 255 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:26,159 the very beginning of of this year. >> So in theory, five years, 2031, 2030, 256 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,600 » 2030, I think is the what I would say I'd call it. I think 257 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,440 » Do they ever wait 10 years? >> Yeah, they've always done it in five. 258 00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:40,480 » They've just always been fiveyear cycles. This is the 259 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:46,400 I think they intended to come out with new regulations for this permit cycle, 260 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:52,559 but to be honest with you, there were so many municipalities that sub because for 261 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:58,400 the 2020 permit, I think we submitted in like 2017. 262 00:21:54,320 --> 00:22:04,880 » Yeah. And then D took three whole years to review everything, the PRP plans 263 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:10,799 before they gave us our permit in 2020. >> And then we had 5 years and we were 264 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:14,960 working towards that. But you guys were one of the first ones to get a permit. 265 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,679 Like there were municipalities, I mean there's probably municipalities that 266 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:22,120 still don't have their first permit from when they submitted in like 2018. 267 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:29,000 So, is there a benefit for being uh proactive and submitting? 268 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:36,080 » I think well, you have to do the like everyone's going have to do the projects 269 00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:40,960 regardless. So, like you're I would say you're positive is that you got 90% of 270 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,280 your projects done and now you could take a fiveyear breather and like just 271 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:49,360 try to get this one extra one done. And while you're doing that and taking that 272 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:55,280 breather, hopefully the quip stuff comes into focus and you know, you guys can 273 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,960 kind of view it all together. Whereas like if you 274 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,039 » because it sounds like, and this is just me, very peripheral hearing what Mimi 275 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:08,720 said and hearing what you're saying, it sounds like the quit might be 276 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:13,360 this and that. Meaning, we would like you to reduce your total daily load of 277 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,320 phosphorus, but since you brought up >> Yeah. Yeah, but since you brought up 278 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,559 storm water, do that too. >> Double dip. 279 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,440 » Oh, the water. >> And so 280 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720 » it it really does. >> Instead of 281 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,080 » No, I know. >> just focusing on phosphorus and the 282 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,400 reduction in phosphorus, which in and of itself could be a beast. Um, based upon 283 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,520 what I've seen other municipalities go through, since you brought up the idea 284 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,559 that you want to address storm water, too, we can do these both things at the 285 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:41,120 same time. And I just don't know if we're equipped or if all municipalities 286 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:48,159 are equipped to address both at the same time. Um, now since you mentioned it, 287 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:51,840 they might like it. Not that you have an answer. I'm just 288 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:55,679 thinking like we may have we may have snowballed ourselves and 289 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,440 » I'm assuming there's just one other project that we have identified that we 290 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:05,280 have left or do we need to then come up with additional if they don't give us a 291 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:11,200 new plan in 2030? you you have to do one more project between now and 2030 292 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:15,200 » and then sometime between now and 2030 I would imagine that they're going to come 293 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,320 out with guidance for the new permit term 294 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:25,600 » and they're you're going to have to come up with new projects to comply with that 295 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:30,720 guidance and that plan would I know D if they're trying to start the permits in 296 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:36,000 2030 then they usually they want the applications about 180 days before for 297 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:39,760 that. So you're looking like mid 2029 to have the plan already. 298 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:45,919 » If you got to have the plan by mid 2029, you probably start working on the plan 299 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:50,640 » the beginning of 29, end of 28. So, but we can't come up with a plan until they 300 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,720 give us guidance and guidelines on what that needs to happen. And then I would 301 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:59,840 have would really hope that by that time they've made a decision on whether you 302 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520 know because you're going to have to you're going to have to do projects for 303 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,520 the >> Quip if you so choose to join the Quip 304 00:25:05,207 --> 00:25:12,000 [clears throat] >> and whether those projects will count 305 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:16,159 towards the obligations in the new permit term 306 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,919 » 2030. That's a question I don't know the answer to. Do you know? 307 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:27,840 » No. Yeah, that's the unknown. But then the other piece is um like Jim mentioned 308 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:35,279 the township has a TMDL on the little namin as well. So the quip is completely 309 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:39,120 focused on the whista hicken. Um so you're still going to be under an 310 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:44,640 obligation for the little namin. So the little namin TMDL is it because we don't 311 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:48,799 have wastewater treatment here and so the my understanding is the phosphorus 312 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:53,600 is controlled by the processing of sewage. Is that accurate? 313 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:58,799 » That's uh one way that it enters the system I'd say. Yeah. 314 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:03,520 » Um so without the sewage treatment what would our what would our obligation 315 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:08,559 be to the little namin? Well, 316 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:13,440 all of the storm water improvements like a a new basin or a basin retrofit or any 317 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:18,320 kind of water quality situation like does reduce phosphorus and reduces the 318 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,039 nutrients. So, >> so you're making the argument that 319 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,559 managing storm water does reduce phosphorus. So that they should be one 320 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:28,393 in the same storm water reduction and TMDL should be the you're making the 321 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,559 argument for the [laughter] 322 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:38,000 » I'm not uh >> uh I don't know what it is for the 323 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,760 » I don't think it's phosphor I don't think it's phosphorus I think it is it's 324 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,279 um >> nitrate so nitrate uh yeah it is it's 325 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840 nitrogen you're right >> yeah which is mostly the fertilizer 326 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,159 stuff >> yep 327 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,679 » okay >> just got to tell old York They can't 328 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:59,600 fertilize any [laughter] of their >> Okay. I think this I think this frames 329 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,760 things well. >> Okay. 330 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,880 » I think it's a lot of and this is just my I'm only one supervisor. I think from 331 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,279 my perspective it frames things well. I think we it's a lot of unknowns and we 332 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,679 need >> D to 333 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,520 » I think unfortunately there's a lot so there's unknowns coming from D and then 334 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:18,480 there's a lot of unknowns coming from the like Quip angle too 335 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:22,720 » because there's just there's a lot of projects that are being proposed in that 336 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:27,679 » and I'm not sure there's a great handle on how much it's like all going to cost. 337 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:32,559 I think in addition to that I think the fundamental question is is the storm 338 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:38,960 water management and those projects related to that answering the question 339 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:44,799 that the TMDL posed to us meaning are we reducing the phosphorus and is and if 340 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:48,960 that is the goal are we certain that stormwater management is sufficient to 341 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:53,120 get there >> I don't know if we know yet I don't know 342 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:56,640 if we know course of action if that's the most economic course of action I 343 00:27:54,799 --> 00:28:05,919 think storm water management will help but I just I remember the TMDL asking 344 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:11,120 for the phosphorus to be reduced by 95% or something like that and like DPS's 345 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:18,000 approved BMPPS to treat a certain amount of phosphorus 346 00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:22,799 might might treat 60% or 40% and that's only from the drainage area that is 347 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,159 captured >> if you're talking about like every drop 348 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:32,000 of water that falls falls on a township and 95% like you got to catch it all in 349 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:35,760 something to do 60%. And then once it leaves that it's got to be put through 350 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,760 something else to do. You can never get there cuz you just keep cutting the pie 351 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:47,039 down slow. That was like the argument against implementing the TMDL as it was. 352 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:51,679 So I think the alternative became an idea. 353 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:56,320 » But I don't know. It's above me to tell you whether it's going to all the storm 354 00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,399 water improvements are going to actually make the creek cleaner or not. I mean, 355 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,760 it will make it cleaner, but will it make it clean to the point where they're 356 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,760 trying to get it to? I don't know that answer. 357 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,200 » For the lay people, can you say what a BMP is? 358 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:14,080 » Uh best management practice. It's essentially just the the facility, the 359 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,880 storm water improvement. It could be a basin. It uh could be a seepage pit. It 360 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:23,120 could be a rain garden. It could be a vegetated roof, uh, stream bankank 361 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:29,200 stabilization, riparian buffer enhancement, just anything that is an 362 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:34,240 improvement in the built world that um, you know, helps storm water. 363 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,240 » Yeah. There's no way to calculate if we do all those things simultaneously, do 364 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,799 we get to the 90%. >> Yeah. And I think that the 365 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:48,080 » and the cost >> I think the Quip there's like a water 366 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,600 quality sampling attachment to to the Quip plan where they're going to go out 367 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:56,640 and they're going to sample the water pre plan and they're going to sample it 368 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:01,679 at intervals throughout and I think they're hoping that it's going to get 369 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:08,080 better. It probably will get better. I just don't know till what point. Yeah, 370 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:13,279 » the D comments address the vagueness of in the water quality improvement plan 371 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:18,080 about how much the phosphorus would be reduced um because it kind of it sort of 372 00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:23,120 becomes a side issue sort of I'm generalizing a little bit but um it 373 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:27,360 sounds like that was EPA's guidance and D is saying you know yeah you 374 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,000 technically should be setting these goals like saying with this plan we 375 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:35,679 expect to achieve the 90% or 95% whatever it this percent reduction in 376 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,600 phosphorus and we'll this much in the first five years and this much in the 377 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,840 next five years and that's not in the plan now. I don't know if there's work 378 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,360 behind the scenes somewhere that they can draw from to do all of that or if 379 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,799 they kind of have to start over and calculate all of that. That could take a 380 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:54,559 while. >> Yeah, I think that's kind of 381 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,679 » just out of curiosity. Is there any municipality within Montgomery County 382 00:30:56,159 --> 00:31:03,840 that's not a part of a TMDL? Uh yeah, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Um 383 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:08,880 every >> I don't want to say every municipality 384 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:13,760 in Montgomery County has an impaired water. Most 385 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:20,799 most do. Most in this area do, but not every impaired water has a TMDL. Like 386 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:28,399 for instance, the penny the penny pack >> which um you know drains in the area of 387 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:34,080 Upper Morland, Horscham, um Abington like that is impaired for sediment, but 388 00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:40,799 it doesn't have what's doesn't have the TMDL attached to it. There's like a stem 389 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:47,039 of it that's the Southampton Creek that has one for certain nutrients. Um, but 390 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:52,559 no, not everybody has a TMDL, but every waterway is pretty much 391 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:59,399 » impaired in some form in this area of the state. 392 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,399 » Okay. 393 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,559 » I don't know if anybody else from the board has any questions. 394 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,720 » Very informative. Thank you, Jim. Yeah, you're welcome. 395 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:24,640 Next up, we have um a change order related to GMBB's 396 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:29,919 contract um along the Old Betham Pike covert. Uh included in the board's 397 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:35,679 packet is a memorandum um from uh township staff as well as a 398 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:43,120 letter from our engineer kind of articulating that um township staff um 399 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:49,039 that our engineer met with a residents um and they expressed um some concerns 400 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:56,960 around the newly reconstructed bridge on Old Betham Pike and the I guess visual 401 00:32:53,760 --> 00:33:01,279 impact that that bridge would have. Um there was, I guess, a plan that was 402 00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:05,600 supported and and developed by our engineer. Um and that's a landscaping 403 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:11,200 plan. It was sent to our bridge contractor. Um for pricing, we got a 404 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,159 quote of $11,850. Um the recommendation 405 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:21,120 is within the um actual budget for the overall project 406 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:27,679 and and does seem reasonable according to our engineer and township staff. Um, 407 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:34,799 and I think we have a a little bit of a visual talk about what that would look 408 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:39,760 like and where it would be. Um, are there any questions from the board 409 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:46,720 related to that plan? >> I have a question. Are um all the plants 410 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:50,960 that are on the plan schedule um native plannings? 411 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:53,960 Yeah. Anybody 412 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960 else? 413 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:11,480 Nobody. So, we have you for us a consideration of this project. It's an 414 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,480 additional 11,000. 415 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:18,079 Oh, are there any Nobody was here, so I forgot. Any public questions or 416 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:22,079 concerns? No, 417 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:26,960 » no one. Okay. 418 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:31,280 So, we have before us um consideration of this plan. 419 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:34,399 Again, it falls within the actual budget of the proposed replacement for the 420 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:39,599 bridge does appear to be reasonable. The total 421 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:45,760 amount of the quote is $1,850 um for us to authorize uh this change 422 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:50,879 order to GMBB. I'd like to make a motion to approve the change order um to GMBB 423 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,639 in the amount of $11,850 to add to that landscaping on Old Bethlehem Pike and 424 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:59,040 for the Covert Replacement and Stream Bank restoration for the landscaping 425 00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:05,040 around. Is there a second? >> All those in favor? 426 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:09,359 » I motion is approved. Um next up we have consideration for our actuary and our 427 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:14,400 pension admin. included in the board packet is a memorandum from retellent 428 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:18,000 manager outlining um that in accordance with resolution 202320 429 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:24,400 um they went through the selection process for professional consultants as 430 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:29,200 it relates to um staff for for pension actuary and administrative services. The 431 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,599 recommendation is for Thomas J. Anderson and Associates as both the actuary and 432 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,000 the pension administrator. Included in the board packet is the RFP 433 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:42,880 for review. Um, are there any questions from the board? 434 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,880 » This something that we did internally before. 435 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:53,520 » We have to have an actuary. So, we've had one before. What we're adding is the 436 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:59,760 » the administr the pension administration is new. It's to take some work off of 437 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,359 Melinda's desk and give it to somebody who's an expert in the field. Right. 438 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,119 That's what I'm saying. We handle this in house. 439 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:11,119 » Correct. Gotcha. >> Okay. Any additional questions from the 440 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:16,640 board? Questions from the public? 441 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,160 Seeing none, like to make a motion at the recommendation of staff to appoint 442 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:23,040 Thomas J. Anderson and Associates as our actuary and our pension administrator. 443 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:27,520 Is there a second? >> All those in favor? 444 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:31,079 » I motion is approved. Next up is the consideration of or 445 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,960 um Next up is the consideration to approve 446 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,160 ordinance 5 558 um for the execution of the cable franchise agreement between 447 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,200 the township and Verizon included in the board packet is the Verizon cable 448 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:51,440 franchise agreement. Are there any questions from the board? 449 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:54,720 Any questions from the public? No. Seeing none, I'd like to mo make a 450 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,000 motion to approve ordinance 558 authorizing the execution of the cable 451 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,800 franchise agreement between the township and Verizon Pennsylvania LLC. Is there a 452 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480 second? >> All those in favor? 453 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:12,640 » I >> I motion carries. Next up is the um 454 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:17,200 consideration. Hold on. Uh 455 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,119 » no, Case. Yeah, >> that's good. 456 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:27,960 » Oh, okay. I don't see it. I don't think I have the Okay, wait a minute. It's not 457 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,960 working. Oh, 458 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:34,536 » okay. I see it now. There's too many. I have four. Okay, never mind. Doesn't 459 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:37,680 matter. Um, next up is [clears throat] the consideration for 460 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,640 the advertising legal notice authorizing execution of a renewed cable franchise 461 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:47,040 agreement between the township and Comcast of PA LLC. included in the board 462 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:54,880 packet is a memorandum outlining um the agreement. Are there any questions from 463 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:57,760 the board? How come mine says Ryzen? >> It's fine. 464 00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:02,480 » Um the highlighting in the Comcast agreement is that like for our benefit 465 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:08,079 » like two >> and then Comcast and then it says 466 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:11,119 similar to Verizon inside the memo. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. 467 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:20,640 No other comments. >> Any questions from the public? 468 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:24,320 » Seeing none, um I could make a motion to approve the authorization of the legal 469 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,240 notice for an ordinance authorizing executive execution of the renewed cable 470 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:34,320 franchise agreement between the township and count and Comcast of PA LLC and 471 00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:38,480 Comcast of Southeast PA LLC. Is there a second? 472 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,880 » All those in favor? I >> motion carries. 473 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:54,280 Next up, we have the invoice report um for September 8th, 2026. Are there 474 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,280 any questions from the board? 475 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,240 Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion to approve the invoice report. Any 476 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,560 questions from the public? Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion 477 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,160 to approve the invoice report for September 8th, 2020 26. Is there a 478 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:17,680 second? All those in favor? I. >> Motion's approved. Um the minutes for 479 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,400 the meeting of August 25th, 2026 were included in the board packet. Any 480 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:24,320 questions, concerns, or updates from the board? 481 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,480 Seeing none, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes um for the 482 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,480 meeting of August 25th, 2026. Is there a second? 483 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,960 » Second. >> All those in favor? I motion is 484 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,880 approved. Um, next up we have the supervisor leazison on reports. Demi, do 485 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:42,160 you have anything? Oh, no. I'm sorry. I skipped this. The leazison reports are 486 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,760 added are included in the in the board packet. If you have any questions, I 487 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,240 switch to supervisor comments. Are there any staff updates 488 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,520 now? Supervisor comments. Jimmy too. 489 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,960 » No, nothing to add. >> Um, Janine, come on out for a fall fest. 490 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:08,560 none. >> Um I have no comments as well. Fall fest 491 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:13,040 is September 19th 12 to 5. I hope to see everybody there. Um like to make a 492 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,520 motion to adjurnn. Is there a second? Second. 493 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:18,520 » All those in favor? Meeting is adjourned. 494 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,800 » Was Light.