1 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:06,560 Good evening and welcome to the 2 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,119 September 23rd, 2026 meeting of the 3 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:11,360 lower Marian Board of Commissioners. We 4 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,960 have four meetings this evening. We have 5 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,640 a police committee meeting, a finance 6 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,240 committee meeting, a building and 7 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,520 planning committee meeting, and a board 8 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,360 of commissioners meeting. Before we 9 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,360 start, please silence your cell phones. 10 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,280 There's amplifying equipment available 11 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,640 for those who are having difficulty 12 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,799 hearing. This room is also equipped with 13 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,200 teleil technology. And later, when the 14 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,960 floor is open for public comment, we ask 15 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:32,799 that you introduce yourself and say 16 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:34,400 where in the township you live before 17 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,240 you start your comments. And that you 18 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,880 use that podium to your left. Our first 19 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,240 committee meeting this evening is the 20 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,759 police committee. I recognize this 21 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:43,280 chair, Commissioner Rosman. 22 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,200 >> Commissioner, Dr. Rosman. Thank you, 23 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,360 President Silent. 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,439 One item on the agenda tonight is an 25 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,200 intention to refer to this evening's 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,960 board of commissioners meeting for final 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,320 action. Uh authorization to issue a 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,479 conditional offer of employment for an 29 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:02,000 open police position. The motion is to 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,159 recommend to the board of commissioners 31 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,960 authorizing the township manager to make 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 a conditional offer of employment to one 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,840 pro probationary police candidate who 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,760 has fulfilled the civil service 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,239 requirements for eligibility. 36 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:19,120 May I have a second, please? 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Thank you, Commissioner Wooding. Who? 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Thank you. Commissioner McGuire. 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,879 Uh Superintendent Black, may I have an 40 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,640 explanation, please? Yes, good evening, 41 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,400 Dr. Thank you. Good evening, 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,959 commissioners. Uh it's a pleasure to be 43 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:36,400 for you this evening. Uh to give you 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,760 some background on this, if you recall 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,560 back on our August 3rd meeting, we had 46 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,720 reported out with uh the conditional 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,560 offers that were issued at the time that 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 had taken us to our full complement of 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,640 136 officers. Since that time, we've had 50 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,440 two officers uh resign. actually one 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,879 resigned who had just started with us 52 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:56,959 and the second one did not accept the 53 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:59,280 conditional offer of employment uh as 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,760 they continue to engage their employer. 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,519 So this evening we're making one 56 00:03:03,519 --> 00:03:05,200 request. We do have one candidate that 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,599 has passed the background investigations 58 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,640 uh and is ready to be uh provided the 59 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,959 conditional offer of employment by the 60 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:14,720 township manager provided to the police 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,959 committee and the board of commissioners 62 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:19,280 uh ratifies that. Uh this individual is 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,959 already in the police academy, so that 64 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:23,840 is a a plus, if you will, for the police 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,239 department. Um if the conditional offer 66 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:28,720 is satisfied, he will end up graduating 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,760 with our seven other cadets that are 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,280 attending the academy right now in 69 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,720 December. 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,319 >> Thank you, Superintendent Blank. 71 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:39,120 >> And also, if I may, this is also uh one 72 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,519 of the budgeted positions for 2026. It's 73 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:43,200 included in our budget. 74 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,519 >> Thank you. Like to open the floor for 75 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:48,869 public comment. 76 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,799 Are there any questions or comments from 77 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:55,030 the board? 78 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,040 I'd like to call for a vote. Anyone on 79 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,159 Zoom? 80 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,080 >> Uh, actually, no one asked for a link 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,680 tonight, so we don't need to worry about 82 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,280 public. 83 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,040 >> So, I'd like to call for a vote. All in 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,680 favor signify by raising their hands. 85 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Acknowledge that this is passed 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,310 unanimously. Thank you. 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,079 The business of the police committee is 88 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:19,280 now completed. 89 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:21,120 >> Thank you, Commissioner Ros. Our next 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,479 committee is the finance committee. I 91 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:24,880 recognize this commission. 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,440 >> Thank you, President Sinai. There are 93 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080 four items on tonight's finance 94 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,080 committee agenda. 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,199 We will start with the finance committee 96 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,320 considering uh authorization of an 97 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,199 amendment to the fund balance policy. I 98 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,199 will move that the finance committee 99 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,840 recommends to the board of commissioners 100 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,080 amending the township's fund balance 101 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,800 policy to a range of 15 to 25% of 102 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,479 general fund operating expenditures. Do 103 00:04:56,479 --> 00:04:59,680 I have a second? I do from Commissioner 104 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,639 Courtney. 105 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,560 Adam, can you tell us more about this 106 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,639 item that we debated and discussed 107 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,400 extensively one week ago? 108 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,840 Good evening, uh, commissioners. Thank 109 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:13,520 you, Commissioner Zelop. This is a 110 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,280 continuation of the agenda item tabled 111 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,039 last week to authorize an amendment to 112 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:18,880 the fund balance policy within the 113 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,199 township's overall financial policies. 114 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:23,120 Uh, as discussed, the recommendation to 115 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,120 amend the current policy would be to set 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,600 a minimum of 15% and a recommended range 117 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,440 of 15 to 25%. 118 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,280 >> Are there any members of the public here 119 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,960 with us this evening that have any 120 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,639 questions or comments on this item? 121 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,360 Seeing none, u and Jody, you have uh 122 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,960 addressed the other question that is 123 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,120 typically asked. Uh are there committee 124 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,160 members with questions or comments? Uh 125 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,160 we did discuss this extensively a week 126 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,039 ago. The reason it was tabled until uh 127 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:56,000 tonight was because it was mistakenly on 128 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,800 last week's agenda for discussion only. 129 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,520 It is clearly on this week's agenda uh 130 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 for a vote and the motion has been made. 131 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,199 We discussed the uh the good reasons to 132 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:09,759 make this change to the fund balance 133 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:14,000 policy. Um and I uh encourage my 134 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,600 colleagues to be supportive. Do um other 135 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,600 committee members have any questions or 136 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,870 comments? 137 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,479 Seeing none, the motion has been made 138 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:26,319 and seconded. All those in favor raise 139 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,560 your hand. 140 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,720 Are there any opposed? Are there any 141 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,479 abstensions? Madam Secretary, that item 142 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:39,270 passes unanimously. 143 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:42,160 Second item uh in tonight's finance 144 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,670 committee agenda 145 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,360 is for the finance committee to consider 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,560 a resolution 147 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,199 uh that would um get the ball rolling on 148 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:59,199 a seriesA 149 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,880 bond financing for 2026 150 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,840 uh as well as a reimbursement for any 151 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,560 capital expenses incurred prior to 152 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,720 receipt of 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,759 um the uh bond funds. So, I will move 154 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,919 that the finance committee recommend to 155 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:22,639 the board of commissioners adoption of a 156 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,840 resolution authorizing township staff, 157 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,039 financial advisor, and bond council to 158 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:32,479 take the necessary steps to facilitate 159 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:35,680 new money debt issuance to support the 160 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,039 capital improvement plan at year end 161 00:07:39,039 --> 00:07:44,160 2026 through 2027, plus approving 162 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,400 reimbursement of capital expenses 163 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,479 incurred prior to the debt issuance. Do 164 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:52,400 I have a second? I do from Commissioner 165 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,319 Courtney. Um Adam, can you tell us about 166 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:58,080 this item? 167 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,000 >> This is the first two bond related items 168 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,080 on the agenda this evening. Uh this 169 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,319 first is a resolution uh which as 170 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:06,960 commissioner Zelv noted authorizes 171 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,319 township staff bond council and 172 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,160 financial adviser to facilitate new 173 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,680 money and potentially a refunding 174 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,960 issuance uh and to retain our right to 175 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,879 use a portion of our next bond proceeds 176 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:18,800 to reimburse ourselves for any capital 177 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,360 costs that may incur between issuances. 178 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,240 The reimbursement uh portion of this is 179 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,919 common language the township has used in 180 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:29,120 its prior bond resolutions. We expect 181 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,240 our 2025 bond proceeds that we have on 182 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,919 hand to be exhausted in the next two to 183 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,479 three weeks. Um, so this would cover the 184 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:38,560 gap and allow us to reimburse ourselves 185 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:43,509 once those funds have come in. 186 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:45,279 Do any members of the public with us 187 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,120 this evening have any questions or 188 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,959 comments? 189 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:51,279 Okay, seeing none, are there committee 190 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:54,320 members with questions or comments? Um 191 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Adam um will our financial advisors be 192 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,080 presenting in the next agenda item? 193 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Okay. So this agenda item which um 194 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,399 we have had in the past previous when we 195 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:10,240 have previously issued new debt. We have 196 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,519 had an agenda item like this um that 197 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,959 essentially gets the ball rolling. Um 198 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:19,040 and in the next item we'll hear a lot 199 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,800 more information about what that means. 200 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Um, so committee members with questions 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,680 or comments. 202 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:29,440 Okay, seeing none, the motion has been 203 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,080 made and seconded. All those in favor, 204 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,240 raise your hand. 205 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Are there any opposed? Are there any 206 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,640 abstensions? Seeing none, Madam 207 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Secretary, that item passes unanimously. 208 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,040 Okay. Um, the third item on the finance 209 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,240 committee agenda is for the committee to 210 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,320 consider 211 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,720 authorizing the advertisement of an 212 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,040 ordinance 213 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,320 that would be uh for parameters for 214 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,200 general obligation bonds series A of 215 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:07,040 2026 and series B of 2026. 216 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,880 I will move that the finance committee 217 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,279 recommend to the board of commissioners 218 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,640 authorizing the township bond council to 219 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,959 advertise notice of intent to adopt an 220 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:20,959 ordinance authorizing the parameters for 221 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:24,079 the incurrence of non-electoral debt of 222 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:26,480 the township of lower Maran series A of 223 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,720 2026 and series B of 2026. 224 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,800 So there was a lot in that motion. The 225 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,880 motion's been made. Is there a second? 226 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Commissioner Courtney seconds it. Um and 227 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Adam, 228 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,000 uh the floor is yours. 229 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,160 >> So the parameters ordinance is a little 230 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,480 bit different, uh past practice for the 231 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,720 township. Uh so typically the process 232 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,279 would be a bond resolution authorizing 233 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:53,279 uh township staff. It's a financial 234 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:55,600 adviser and bond council to prepare for 235 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,120 an issuance. Uh and then we would 236 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,839 auction our bonds the evening of a board 237 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:04,320 meeting. uh we would identify one date 238 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,040 to to enter the market uh and then bring 239 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,200 the results to you later that evening. 240 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,839 Um what is more common is what's being 241 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:13,279 uh presented before you which is a 242 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:15,200 parameters ordinance which effectively 243 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,560 pre-authorizes the parameters uh by 244 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,920 which those same actors can go and uh 245 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,320 enter the capital market and and borrow. 246 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,480 The reason we're bringing this as an 247 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,920 idea to you uh for author authorizing 248 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,760 advertisement uh is because of the 249 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,519 volatility in the market. It is a common 250 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,040 practice and the volatility of the 251 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,279 market, it will allow uh our financial 252 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,000 advisor to identify certain key dates to 253 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 target. And if uh market conditions 254 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,600 worsen um in a way we believe are 255 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,519 temporary uh and want to wait another 256 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:49,920 week or two, this would provide us the 257 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,320 flexibility to do that. Um rather than 258 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,959 identifying one date for the issuance, 259 00:11:54,959 --> 00:11:57,920 we'd identify several and try and act on 260 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,640 the best interest of the township. 261 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,600 Um so our financial advisor uh 262 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,040 representatives from PFM are here to uh 263 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,399 provide a a a quick presentation. Uh 264 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:14,160 I'll note uh you know so our our goal 265 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,040 here is to raise 24 million of new bond 266 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,760 proceeds uh to finance the needs that we 267 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,760 discussed at our CIP workshop much of 268 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,800 which are uh reappropriations from the 269 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 2026 capital improvement program uh and 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,680 currently uh encumbered uh or uh in the 271 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,279 pipeline. Um, we are also providing the 272 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:40,320 parameters to refund series B of 2019. 273 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Um, recent market moves have made that 274 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,440 likely not an option for us to refinance 275 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,760 that from a uh from a savings 276 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,959 perspective. Um, however, including it 277 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:54,880 in the parameters ordinance at least 278 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,440 retains that option for us to refund it 279 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,160 if market conditions improve in the next 280 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,079 month or so. 281 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:04,240 Uh and one of the things in there is our 282 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,560 typical guideline for refunding is to 283 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:12,079 uh get gains of 3% net present value. 284 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:14,399 That's the guideline in our financial 285 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:17,040 policies, but it's not a hard limit. Um 286 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,880 we would like to entertain the thought 287 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,760 of reducing that to 2% in our uh that's 288 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,000 kind of part of the slides as well. Um 289 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,279 because we're already going to market 290 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,360 for new money. Um, so there's not a lot 291 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,760 of new issuance costs that would really 292 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,000 uh require us to get that full 3%. Um, 293 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,519 and uh I'll I'll kick it over to Jamie 294 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:40,320 Slesinger uh of PFM to go over the quick 295 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,600 slides and then we'll turn over to 296 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,880 questions. 297 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,560 >> Great. Thank you. We welcome uh PFM. If 298 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,880 you would uh introduce yourselves and uh 299 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,200 we welcome you back after our three-year 300 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,600 absence. I think PFM was our prior 301 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 financial adviser. uh and they uh we we 302 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,279 recently re-engaged them. So, welcome. 303 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:01,040 >> We very much appreciate being in front 304 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,279 of you. Uh this is our bread and butter. 305 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,040 We work with many of the local 306 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,240 governments throughout the Commonwealth 307 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,800 of Pennsylvania and nationally. Uh I can 308 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,199 tell you my name is Jamie Slesinger. I 309 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:13,760 serve uh many of the largest credits in 310 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,399 the state uh most of the high credits as 311 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,040 well. So I actively working with the 312 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 county of Chester, Delaware County, uh 313 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,560 upper Mckenry Township, all higha rated 314 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,880 credits. So we're very much used to and 315 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,959 very much appreciate working with uh 316 00:14:28,959 --> 00:14:30,480 facilities and working on these type of 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,720 projects uh going forward and we're very 318 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,680 much appreciative of the time and your efforts here. 319 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,440 >> So if you could move the microphone up 320 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,880 or hold it in your hand just 321 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,320 >> I can do both of those. I can handle 322 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,079 both of those. Uh well, thank you very 323 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:43,760 much. Uh we we're going to talk about 324 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,360 the how we're going to do the project 325 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,240 itself. We have a plan of finance that 326 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Adam has uh communicated to us this 327 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,639 point where we're going to have as much 328 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:55,600 flexibility as possible when it comes to 329 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,639 entering the market. Uh the township has 330 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:00,560 uh configured a a capital improvement 331 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,240 plan that includes a $24 million deposit 332 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,040 need for its capital. Although we don't 333 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,040 intend to have the funds in hand 334 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,760 potentially uh by the time you're ready 335 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,600 to start spending. Hence why we have 336 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,959 what is called a reimbursement 337 00:15:14,959 --> 00:15:17,920 resolution that was considered. Uh we 338 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,240 are beginning the process to go through 339 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,120 a competitive internet financing that 340 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,519 would allow us to receive the $24 341 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,639 million as well as consider a 342 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,959 refinancing opportunity. 343 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:33,199 When a local government wants to enter 344 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:34,800 into the capital markets, it has to 345 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,399 follow certain tax rules. This page here 346 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:41,680 uh describes how that process works. We 347 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,839 have to consider debt when you are going 348 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,760 to spend the money within three years 349 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,600 which based on our conversations with 350 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,680 the team as well as your considerations 351 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,360 through the capital plan we certainly 352 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,040 plan to spend those monies within three 353 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,120 years that meets those standards. You 354 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,920 can turn to the next page please. Or 355 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,199 maybe I can. 356 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:09,189 >> I got the skill sets here. 357 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:11,120 » Where are we down there? It's not 358 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,839 moving. 359 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:17,509 >> Sorry. 360 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:22,230 » It's I'm a little slow here. 361 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,910 Where am I missing the 362 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,120 » Oh, that's what I was doing. Sorry. I 363 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,320 apologize. I've done this before. 364 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,040 >> There we go. Okay. Uh, so just from a 365 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,440 general market update, uh, as we've 366 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,279 talked about earlier, uh, the market's 367 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:39,839 been quite volatile. uh we've seen uh 368 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:43,040 municipal bonds trading at uh higher 369 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,880 level conditions in the front end of the 370 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,920 yield curve. That's mostly due to uh the 371 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,120 credit of uh certain entities across the 372 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,360 United States as well as across the 373 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,440 world. Uh we believe that that 374 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,880 volatility as well as the uh demand and 375 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,880 inflationary concern has driven the 376 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,000 market up uh considerably. However, when 377 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,559 we compare the market today from where 378 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,199 we are from a historical trend, we are 379 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:11,760 still near historic averages. What we 380 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,120 traditionally tell our clients when 381 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:14,959 we're considering capital needs, we let 382 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:16,799 the project determine when we issued 383 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:19,120 debt. In this particular case, the 384 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:21,439 township has capital needs. We've been 385 00:17:21,439 --> 00:17:23,039 planning for these capital projects and 386 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:24,480 these were going to be spent within a 387 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,319 reasonable period of time and we would 388 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,160 have the flexibility to move on the 389 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,799 transaction when the time comes. We are 390 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,039 anticipating entering the market within 391 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:34,720 the next month and have the funds 392 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,039 available to you uh sometime around 393 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:40,950 Thanksgiving. 394 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,120 As a summary, we have a couple of 395 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,280 alternatives here. This is the concept 396 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,200 of the new money as well as the 397 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,280 refinancing. We have two series of bonds 398 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,679 that we may consider. Uh because we're 399 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:53,520 talking about a borrowing amount that 400 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,000 includes a $24 million capital project 401 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 deposit which would be issued over a 402 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,160 20-year period. uh that would be shown 403 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,640 in uh columns three. Uh that would 404 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,440 represent approximately $1,900,000 405 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,760 of annual debt service starting in the 406 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,280 2028 fiscal year. Uh you would have a 407 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,840 short uh stub period in the first year 408 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,840 where you'd have you'd be able to phase 409 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,559 in your debt service in the 2027 410 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:20,480 calendar year, which means ultimately 411 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,360 you'd pay approximately $665,000 412 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,600 in annual debt service. So, it takes two 413 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,000 years to uh to fill up your capital 414 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,080 improvement plan for your budget and to 415 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,840 allow you to plan for those. You'll 416 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,600 notice on column four uh we're 417 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,200 summarizing the current interest rate 418 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,880 environment and the refinancing 419 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,360 opportunity. Uh when we were hired to 420 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,039 serve as the adviser again several 421 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:43,440 months ago, uh that opportunity uh 422 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,679 worked quite well. We received uh we 423 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:48,480 thought we'd save close to $200,000 of 424 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,640 savings at the time, but we still wanted 425 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,799 to plan for this potential refinancing. 426 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,280 So again, as of today, we certainly will 427 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,120 not enter the market if you don't save 428 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,720 any money, but we want to at least 429 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,120 entertain the opportunity if the future 430 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,360 uh provides us that ability to save uh 431 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,480 those funds. Noted in the column on the 432 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,280 right hand left hand side, uh the 3% 433 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,799 representation of savings net of cost is 434 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,200 about $195,000. 435 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,760 we would need a change of about a half 436 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,600 percent in interest rates to produce 437 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,919 those savings uh to represent 438 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:23,919 approximately 2% net of cost of 439 00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:26,320 issuance. Uh we would need a 40 basis 440 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,320 point reduction. So that's 04% 441 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 overall. So a pretty significant change. 442 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,400 However, if you notice from the previous 443 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,880 graph, we've seen a a a sharp increase 444 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,039 in interest rates. Uh so we believe if 445 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:40,799 the market does go back in a similar 446 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,799 direction, we would jump on that and 447 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:45,760 save those funds as expected. 448 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Traditionally in Pennsylvania, when 449 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,600 you're considering a current period of 450 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,120 funding, which is exactly what we're 451 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,720 considering here, the bonds that are 452 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,720 outstanding are past its call date, 453 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,640 meaning you have the option to refinance 454 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760 them starting in 2024 or way past that. 455 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,840 So in this case, that current period of 456 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 funding allows you to uh refinance the 457 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,559 debt and save the funds immediately 458 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,080 without having to wait until the call 459 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,320 date. In Pennsylvania markets and 460 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,640 nationally, a 2% saving threshold is 461 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,400 very normal on a current period of 462 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,320 funding. So we we would suggest and 463 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,760 recommend that may be the path that we 464 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,000 go assuming the market comes back. Our 465 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,760 goal would be to save as much money as 466 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,280 possible, but we think the savings 467 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,679 threshold of 2% is very common in this 468 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:28,720 particular method of finance. Any 469 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,280 questions on this page? 470 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,549 Okay. 471 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,120 The maximum parameters ordinance uh just 472 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,520 to highlight uh what Adam had uh 473 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,080 described earlier. Uh this gives the 474 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,080 township maximum flexibility to 475 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,919 authorize the debt issuance, move 476 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:47,679 forward with the financing when the time 477 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:50,240 comes and there will be no further 478 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,080 action made by the commissioners after 479 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,400 the ordinance is adopted. uh that would 480 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,120 allow us to set us set up a savings 481 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,760 threshold, a maximum borrowing amount, a 482 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,000 maximum final maturity, and a maximum 483 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 interest rate. In all of those cases, we 484 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,159 certainly would not expect to go any 485 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:07,280 further than that. And that's what the 486 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,520 maximum parameters are establishing. 487 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Traditionally, they are much higher than 488 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,760 you anticipate when it comes to the 489 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,600 interest rate, and the maturity would 490 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,950 never go beyond the 20-year period. 491 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,280 In the ordinance that you'll notice uh 492 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,440 these are the established maximum 493 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,240 parameters. So we have it separated by 494 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,320 the uh new money component which is the 495 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,679 series A which is approximately 20 $29 496 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:36,400 million and the series B which will be 497 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,919 $8 million which represents the 498 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:40,720 refinancing. In this particular case, uh 499 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,600 that incurrence of debt of 29 million is 500 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600 a maximum amount. And as we talked about 501 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,679 earlier, we would not entertain any 502 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:50,400 financing that would produce more than 503 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,080 $24 million of uh proceeds for the 504 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,240 project itself, but we have a higher 505 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,000 borrowing amount to give us flexibility 506 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,919 to restructure the debt after the bond 507 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:02,400 pricing occurs. I'm happy to answer any 508 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480 questions related to that. It's a little 509 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,039 unique, but understand the terms and 510 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,360 conditions and the parameters allow us 511 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,520 to do these things, but also we will 512 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,120 come back and work with the township to 513 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,720 make sure it fits within the parameters 514 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,559 that were originally established. We 515 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,039 will not know until the market pricing 516 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,120 if the bonds were sold at a premium or 517 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,039 at a discount. And these parameters 518 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,039 allow us that flexibility of case one 519 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:28,320 happens versus the other. 520 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,039 >> Yes. 521 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,960 >> So, excuse my ignorance. So when you 522 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,000 talk about series A and series B, 523 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,240 >> you talk about doing it separately or 524 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,440 then the maximum amount combined. 525 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,280 >> It's it's one ordinance but it's broken 526 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080 up by series because for purposes of how 527 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,320 the Commonwealth will accept it, we have 528 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,080 it separated by what is considered the 529 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320 new borrowing, the capital needs, and 530 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,480 then the refinancing portion. So in 531 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,120 total there is a larger component for the total project itself but as far 532 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,039 as you're concerned the new money is 533 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,200 related to the $29 million and the 534 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280 refinancing is associated with the $8 535 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,000 million. 536 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:13,600 >> Okay. Um but you would be doing just one actual transaction to cover both in 537 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,679 your 538 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:17,039 >> other committee members with any 539 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,240 questions at this point in the 540 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,919 presentation. There'll be other there'll 541 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:22,720 be more time to ask questions. 542 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,880 >> Uh President you have a couple questions 543 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,919 so far. Um, so, uh, I guess the first is 544 00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:31,679 it it looks like that you're going to be 545 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:34,799 asking us to approve, uh, I guess up to 546 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,640 a 5 and a half% yield, 547 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,240 >> which is like what 100 basis points 548 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,360 above where 549 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,840 >> the 20 year 550 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,600 >> in Pennsylvania under the Commonwealth 551 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,280 of Pennsylvania, what is considered the 552 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,280 maximum rate is really the coupon 553 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,240 structure. Okay. 554 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,159 >> Not the yield. But but you're not we're 555 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,679 not pegging whether it's selling at a 556 00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:55,679 premium or discount. So we're the the 557 00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:57,200 parameters is asking us to give you 558 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280 discretion to sell it at par at five and 559 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,120 a half%. That's what we're 560 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,280 >> as a max parameter. What we would do is 561 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,679 establish in the sales this the sale 562 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:07,840 itself our notice of sale would have a 563 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,240 maximum coupon and minimum coupon 564 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,120 structure. 565 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,039 >> We wanted we established a higher than 566 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,880 amount in case there was any adjustment 567 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,480 that we needed to make. But as far as 568 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,919 you're concerned, the uh max coupon 569 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,440 can't go above five and a half percent 570 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,240 under these parameters. 571 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,919 >> So if we take max coupon and like the the biggest, you know, like uh 572 00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:29,760 discount allowed, that's going to give 573 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,919 the the a pretty large yield. 574 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:33,760 >> It's an impossible task to do both 575 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,799 sides. So if you had a 5% coupon Yeah. 576 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:40,000 and a maximum of $29 million, that would 577 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,559 give you an extreme amount of proceeds. 578 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,159 So we have it established on both 579 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:46,240 extremes. I I guess I guess my my my 580 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480 question here is you know the the the 581 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,159 range in which you can execute under 582 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:52,400 this right which is what we're trying to 583 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,919 trying I'm trying to understand like the 584 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,039 discretion that we're giving you um you 585 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,120 know so 586 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,240 uh it seems like a lot um and maybe you 587 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,919 can help us understand distill it down 588 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,400 to like I I I think of of bond pricing 589 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,760 and and yield to maturity so you can 590 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,360 give it to me that way right like what 591 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,360 are you what what are we you asking us 592 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,880 to improve 593 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,480 >> you're not doing the process of how 594 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,919 you're funding the transaction any 595 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:17,360 differently than you did in the past. 596 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,760 So, these are competitive internet 597 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,400 auctions. 598 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:20,880 >> Okay? 599 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,679 >> So, we would have a competitive pricing 600 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:26,480 >> uh that would establish the coupon and 601 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480 uh purchase price at the time. So, that 602 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320 would be the best case scenario because 603 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,840 you're getting the lowest true interest 604 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,440 cost associated with the transaction 605 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,039 first. 606 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,360 Because of the Pennsylvania guidelines 607 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,039 under the local government unit debt 608 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,840 act, if you are pre-authorizing a 609 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,640 transaction, you have to establish these 610 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,240 parameters to get an approval from them 611 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,600 in advance. 612 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,400 >> But again, as your fiduciary and working 613 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,039 with the administration, the end result 614 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,600 will be as described. So, as we get 615 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,919 closer to the pricing, we will be 616 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,720 utilizing our pricing group as well as 617 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,679 our uh market knowledge to provide uh 618 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:07,520 the administration the estimates of what 619 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,200 the annual payments would look like as 620 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,559 well as the estimates of what the 621 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,240 savings could be if the refinancing were 622 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,640 to occur. Prior to that, we can decide 623 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,080 if we're going to enter the market at 624 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,679 that time. So, we have all the 625 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,760 flexibility and the township and its 626 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,919 staff will have all of the decision 627 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:24,799 points to make an an informed decision. 628 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,039 So our viewpoint is although you are 629 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,520 pre-approving something that is extreme 630 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,600 understand prior to the entering of the 631 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000 market we would be working together to 632 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,360 make sure we're fitting within the 633 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,559 standards of what the township is 634 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:36,880 looking for. 635 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,720 >> Yeah. I know that either Jeremiah or I 636 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,840 have to approve it anyway. So okay. So 637 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,240 yeah. Yes. Uh the the uh I guess the uh 638 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,919 other question is given the volatility 639 00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,000 in the bond market like how do you like 640 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,440 what are you looking at to decide when 641 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,880 to enter? 642 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440 >> Yeah. So the interesting and good part 643 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,000 about working with a firm like PFM uh we 644 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,159 do more bond issuance than any of the 645 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,400 largest banks in the world from a debt 646 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,360 issuance side on the municipal space. So 647 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,679 when we enter the market we actually are 648 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,360 using market knowledge from the work 649 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,440 that we do in both Pennsylvania as well 650 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,919 as the national presence. So we have an 651 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:16,080 active understanding of the market 652 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,720 conditions when the time comes. We're 653 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,320 using the traditional types of 654 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,159 information that most uh investment 655 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:24,080 banks would utilize, which includes 656 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,360 information from, you know, Bloomberg 657 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,760 and other outside entities, but most 658 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,000 importantly, we're understanding and 659 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 talking to the competitive market 660 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,400 pricing itself. Uh just this week, we 661 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,799 did two competitive auctions, although 662 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,679 not AAA credits. Uh one was a double A 663 00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:42,159 minus credit, one was an A1 credit. Uh 664 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,320 the liquidity is still fantastic in the 665 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,200 competitive market. we had uh multiple 666 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,840 uh biders and multiple syndicates that 667 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240 uh represented those markets. So we feel 668 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,159 very comfortable that right now there's 669 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:56,559 a strong liquidity uh for this type of 670 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:57,520 credit. 671 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,799 >> That's another point you're looking at 672 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,240 is like who's in the market looking to bid. 673 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,679 >> We we very much know that. 674 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,440 >> Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, 675 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,039 Commissioner. 676 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,440 >> Other committee members 677 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,200 with questions or comments at this 678 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,640 point? Um Jamie, so there will be an 679 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,200 auction as we have uh been been able to 680 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,679 uh observe previously. So that won't 681 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:22,159 change. 682 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:22,720 >> Will not change. 683 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,880 >> The dates in the in the calendar you've 684 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,360 shown us are October 685 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,789 21-22. 686 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:35,200 So is that is there are we going to give 687 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,440 you wider parameters than that or are 688 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 those dates that you're 689 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,760 explain that is that are you targeting 690 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,559 those dates? 691 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,000 >> Yeah, we'll we'll work backwards. So 692 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,520 first thing that we have to do of course 693 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520 is we have to handle the legal action 694 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,799 which is something that we're describing 695 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,279 tonight from an administrative side. 696 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:52,640 There's two things that need to be 697 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,559 completed. One is the credit rating 698 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,799 process. So, we'll begin that process 699 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,640 using the two credit rating agencies 700 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,399 that the township has traditionally 701 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:03,440 used. That process does take a couple of 702 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840 weeks to go through the review and the 703 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080 phone call as well as their committee 704 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,440 process. That driver there allows us to 705 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,679 continue to move the process forward to 706 00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:16,080 determine when to hit the market. So 707 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,440 from our perspective, we're working 708 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,039 toward when we think we'll get the 709 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:20,799 credit ratings in place and when the 710 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,480 earliest we think we can enter the 711 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360 market from a timing standpoint. That 712 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,279 21st 22nd is that time. Having the max 713 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:30,960 parameters established in this 714 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640 particular case doesn't mean we will 715 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960 enter the market on the 21st or 22nd. 716 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,320 It's just the time that we're building 717 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,240 toward because of the time associated 718 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,360 with the administrative side. Uh we 719 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600 would mark on our calendar. We're using 720 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,000 our PFM auction platform which is the 721 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,200 platform that would do the internet 722 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,039 auction. So we do want to establish a 723 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,440 date for that market. We have no 724 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,000 problems conserns that we there will be 725 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,919 lots of people on those days but 726 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,600 understand that we do have to name some 727 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,480 times for purposes of planning. If we do 728 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,159 in fact decide to move forward on those 729 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:04,480 dates, we would be having conversations 730 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120 with the team making final decisions and 731 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120 the auction would occur as it normally 732 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200 would where it traditionally be around 733 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520 11:00. uh the auction would take about 734 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520 15 20 minutes. If there's multiple 735 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,679 biders, it could get extended, but in 736 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:19,360 this particular case, that date in which 737 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,240 you decide hasn't formally been decided 738 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320 at this point, but we think this is a a 739 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,679 good uh preliminary timeline. 740 00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,320 >> Um up until now, the the the auction 741 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,880 date has always been a Wednesday. 742 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,640 With the parameters ordinance, can the 743 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,720 auction date be any day of the week 744 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,799 >> except for Friday? Yeah, we we 745 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,880 traditionally want to find a time where 746 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,679 there's uh either activity that is 747 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,159 strong for the market itself. So we have 748 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,159 biders that are uh from across the 749 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,399 country. So we uh try to do it at a time 750 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,480 where it's not following a a major 751 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,799 weekend or holiday event. Uh 752 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,399 traditionally we like Tuesdays through 753 00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:58,159 Thursdays. We certainly have done them 754 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,640 on Mondays, certainly not Fridays, but 755 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,559 we find the times in between the week 756 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,200 and we of course look at the market um 757 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440 calendars. uh you feds meeting at a 758 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,880 certain time, maybe there's major job 759 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,399 reports or those type of things that are 760 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:11,919 coming down the road. We kind of work 761 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:14,080 around those time periods as well. So to 762 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,000 your point, Wednesday could be a good 763 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,799 day, but it may not be the right day uh 764 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,799 if the market uh doesn't prevail for 765 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,799 that time. Previously, our approach was 766 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,520 it had to be a Wednesday 767 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,440 because we meet on Wednesdays and we had 768 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,240 to approve the results of the auction 769 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720 that evening. So now we don't have to do 770 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,399 that because it's a pre-approval 771 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:35,039 process. 772 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,519 >> Exactly. Right. Okay, why don't you 773 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,519 proceed with your presentation and we 774 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:40,720 can continue to ask questions. 775 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,399 >> No, I appreciate all are welcome to ask 776 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:43,760 questions in the course of this 777 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,399 presentation. 778 00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:45,600 >> Exactly. We're actually getting pretty 779 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,679 close to the end anyway. So, uh, you 780 00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:48,880 know, just hitting through the 781 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,480 highlights of where we are. We're about 782 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,960 halfway done with the process. uh the 783 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,279 administrative team from PFM as well as 784 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,919 the township manager and finance team uh 785 00:31:57,919 --> 00:31:59,519 have been working toward getting the 786 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,519 preliminary official statement prepared 787 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,240 and we be be uh entertaining uh rating 788 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880 calls over the next week or so. Uh we 789 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,640 would be preparing a credit rating 790 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120 presentation that would highlight all of 791 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,399 the great things that are happening at 792 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,720 the township within the county both on 793 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,799 the economic conditions as well as the 794 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,679 financials of the township. uh we we 795 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,519 would also use that time to answer any 796 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:22,720 particular questions that the credit 797 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,519 rating would would have. Uh they've been 798 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,279 very standard these days. They ask the 799 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,559 type of similar questions, but they 800 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:29,840 certainly focus on the things that 801 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840 matter, which is what do we think the 802 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,679 township will look like in the future? 803 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:35,519 Uh and this is a great story to tell, 804 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:36,559 and we're looking forward to that 805 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,880 conversation. uh once that uh credit 806 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,360 rating uh discussion happens uh we'd be 807 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,799 working with the finance team to finish 808 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,720 up the preliminary official statement 809 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640 which is the document that helps uh find 810 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,559 the investors and ultimately be used for 811 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,799 our internet auction and as you'll see 812 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,360 we have uh asked you to consider the 813 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,600 parameters ordinance on the October 14th 814 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,919 meeting uh that you know does allow for 815 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,880 that ability to after that to enter the 816 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,519 market anytime thereafter 817 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:04,799 uh we would have some uh post 818 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,720 advertisements associated with it but 819 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,039 again From our perspective, we're in a 820 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,039 good place. We've uh hit all of the 821 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,640 highlights. The everything is looking 822 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,559 very doing very well for the township 823 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,840 and uh we anticipate uh moving at a at a 824 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,679 good pace. 825 00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:21,600 Outside of that, once the the bonds are 826 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,440 sold, about a month later is when the 827 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,200 funds are available to you uh for 828 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,200 settlement. And then the funds will be 829 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200 either to be reimbursed if you use that 830 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,039 reimbursement resolution or deposited 831 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,960 into a construction fund uh for the 832 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,039 capital needs. 833 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,679 So, we're routing third on the 834 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:40,000 transaction itself, but we think we're 835 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,360 uh you know, we've done all the the 836 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,960 major uh highlights at this point in 837 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,799 time. We feel very good about it. 838 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,760 Questions? All right. Thank you. Um um 839 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,960 Adam, do you have any more to present on this item? Okay. So, stay there. Um 840 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,640 is there any member of the public with 841 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,320 us this evening that has any questions 842 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,480 or comments? Okay, seeing none, we're back to committee members with 843 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,679 questions or comments. Um so 844 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,159 this parameter the parameters ordinance 845 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,040 going forward if we like this process 846 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,040 each time we go to issue new debt it 847 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,440 would take a parameters ordinance it's 848 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,760 not a permanent it's unique to an 849 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,639 issuance 850 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,040 >> correct 851 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,800 >> if we don't like it we can go back to 852 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,159 our prior uh Wednesdays only we have to 853 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,679 approve it that evening 854 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,560 >> that's exactly right 855 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000 >> and did you say that um there are many 856 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,159 municipal issuers of debt who use a 857 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,839 parameters ordinance approach. 858 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:41,520 >> Yeah, I would say most local governments 859 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,960 in Pennsylvania use the parameters 860 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960 approach. 861 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,960 >> Okay. Well, thank you for uh 862 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,879 recommending that, but I guess that we 863 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,399 we'll find out if that's the right way 864 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,879 to go, but uh sounds like from your 865 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,480 experience and and and that of many 866 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,960 others that it is. So, okay, committee 867 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,320 members with questions or comments um on 868 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800 this. 869 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640 Okay. 870 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,119 Um, do we want to provide feedback? 871 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,920 We've been asked whether we want to go 872 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,920 have a threshold of 2% in order to 873 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,079 proceed with a refunding. We typically 874 00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,359 have a threshold of 3%. And you said in 875 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,680 your presentation 876 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,240 um that the 3% would essentially 877 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,599 generate 200,000 in savings. 2% net 878 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,400 present value savings would be 130,000 879 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,680 estimated. 880 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,320 >> Yes. 881 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,760 >> Um and you are you recommending 2%. 882 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,000 >> I'm recommending that the threshold be 883 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440 2%. uh the competitive sale itself will 884 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,000 obviously generate the most savings as 885 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,599 possible and we want to make sure it 886 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,160 fits within those parameters. 887 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480 Traditionally, rule of thumb for current 888 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,240 period refundings, which is what this 889 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,480 is, 2% is the traditional savings 890 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,320 threshold. If this was done as an 891 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,000 advanced refunding, which aren't allowed 892 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880 anymore for tax exempt purposes, 3%'s 893 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,800 the standard. So that is a change since 894 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,760 2017 when tax reform occurred. So we 895 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,680 suggest that 2% be the threshold for 896 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,920 this particular transaction. Um Adam and 897 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880 Ernie with any recommendation on this. 898 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,599 >> We concur with the 2% parameter if it 899 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,320 makes sense here. 900 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,800 >> Other other committee members with 901 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960 thoughts on this the I think the 902 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,359 recommendation of our of our FA and our 903 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:33,040 management team um makes sense to me. 904 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,790 others. 905 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,880 Okay. Um I don't think that's in the um 906 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920 well I know it's not in the uh in the 907 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,599 motion that was made but uh you're 908 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,200 getting a a sense of the of the 909 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,040 committee. Is that sufficient? 910 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,680 >> It is. 911 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,640 >> Okay. Um seeing no more questions or 912 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,079 comments. Commissioner Bernhard, 913 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:55,680 >> does that I apologize. Does that thing 914 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160 then go into the parameters ordinance 915 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,040 itself? 916 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,760 >> It does. 917 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,240 >> Right. Okay. 918 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,440 So, the motion has been made and 919 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,359 seconded. All those in favor, raise your 920 00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:08,960 hand. 921 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,119 Are there any opposed? Are there any 922 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,640 abstensions? Okay. Um, that motion 923 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,560 passes unanimously. Um, Jamie and PFM, 924 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,160 thank you very much. Appreciate it. 925 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,400 >> We will now move on to the fourth and 926 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,320 final item of tonight's finance 927 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560 committee agenda. 928 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,800 And that is on page 929 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,320 63 of your finance committee packet. 930 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,960 That is for the committee to consider 931 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,560 authorization to advertise an ordinance 932 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,200 uh which would increase our solid waste 933 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,280 fees for fiscal year 2027. 934 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,520 I will move that the finance committee 935 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,599 recommend to the board of commissioners 936 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,839 authorizing the township secretary to 937 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,800 advertise notice of intent to adopt an 938 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,160 ordinance to amend the code of the 939 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,839 township of lower Maran chapter A167 940 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:05,839 fees to provide for a 14% increase in 941 00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,079 fees relating to the collection of solid 942 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,760 waste from residential properties for 943 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,960 each subscription level and all optional 944 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960 rear yard collection. 945 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,320 service levels effective January 1, 946 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,550 2027. Do I have a second? 947 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440 I do. From Commissioner Sparrow. Okay. 948 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,680 The motion has been made and seconded. 949 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:42,550 Adam, can you tell us more? 950 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,400 Can you show us more? 951 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,760 I will tell and show more. Uh so 952 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,599 tonight's presentation uh will review 953 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,119 the solid waste fund including 954 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:56,800 subscription and financial history as 955 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,119 well as our options for the fund moving 956 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:09,510 into 2027. 957 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,440 By way of background, solid waste fund 958 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,839 is an enterprise fund uh with the intent 959 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,800 to uh recover full cost recovery via 960 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,359 user fees and other revenues. Township's 961 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:21,040 financial policy calls for the township 962 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,160 to strive to maintain a 10% fund balance 963 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,760 uh for the fund. although it's financial 964 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,280 position that has been difficult in the 965 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,160 last few years. Uh the refuge division 966 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,760 uh provides trash and recycling 967 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,640 collection uh services for over 16,900 968 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,760 residential accounts uh in uh collects 969 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,720 annually 15,000 tons of trash as well as 970 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:51,190 5,000 tons of uh recycled material. 971 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,800 And this slide just shows graphically 972 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,760 the history of that tonnage. uh after a 973 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,119 decade of tonnage decline in refuge uh 974 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,680 tonnage, it's been relatively flat since 975 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,760 2014 at that 15,000 tonnage threshold 976 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,960 with the exception of the COVID spike uh 977 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:16,470 that you see in the early 2020s. 978 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,160 And the operations that it takes to 979 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,079 provide these services include the 980 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,320 weekly operations of six refuge crews 981 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640 and five recycling crews Monday through 982 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,200 Friday, as well as smaller trucks at 983 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,160 Service Township facilities. Uh the 984 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,119 operations staff uh overseeing the 985 00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,520 operations. Uh we also have the special 986 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,240 trash pickup crew on Thursdays, uh which 987 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,240 is part of the the regular staff that go 988 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,560 out on Thursdays for those special trash 989 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,119 pickup runs as needed. We also have the 990 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,280 seasonal operations of leaf collection, 991 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,000 weekend cleanups, hazardous and e-waste 992 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,430 events. 993 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,480 So, a history of the solid waste fee 994 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,359 itself is shown here uh with several 995 00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,920 years before and after the 2021 fee 996 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,640 restructuring that occurred. Um, not 997 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,079 going to belver too many of the 998 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,319 individual numbers here, but just by way 999 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,280 of how much these costs have grown. Um, 1000 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,920 since the restructuring, Minican has 1001 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,119 grown by about 3.2% annually or or I'm 1002 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,319 sorry, 3.5 a little bit higher on the 1003 00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:25,599 standard 4.1% compound annual growth 1004 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:33,510 rate and the enhanced uh 5.3%. 1005 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,920 This is a breakdown of our 2026 1006 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,319 subscriptions. 1007 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:42,480 The um 1008 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,920 most of our subscriptions of course are 1009 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,720 in the minan and standard uh comprising 1010 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:52,000 14 and 78% respectively. Um the optional 1011 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,560 rear yard service skews slightly the 1012 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,520 other way with enhanced uh subscriptions 1013 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,920 making up nearly 20% of this optional 1014 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,150 service. 1015 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,160 This has been changing over time. Uh so 1016 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,760 particularly um with rate increases 1017 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,079 which are the years highlighted here. We 1018 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,599 do see uh either new accounts, not new 1019 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,440 accounts but new residents maybe 1020 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,280 updating this subscription from the 1021 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160 prior resident uh as well as people 1022 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,640 downsizing their subscriptions when they 1023 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,560 can. Uh, for example, in 2011, the 1024 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,599 oldest year here shown, uh, many can 1025 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,640 subscriptions only made up 7.6% of our 1026 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,560 overall subscription. Today, they're 1027 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,720 14%. Enhanced subscriptions in 2011 were 1028 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,280 almost 1 in4 uh, subscriptions. Today, 1029 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440 it's 8%. 1030 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,839 And the standard has grown uh, by about 1031 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:58,710 10 percentage points during that time. 1032 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,240 The solid waste fund has been the fund 1033 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,079 most significantly impacted from various 1034 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,680 cost pressures that we'll explore in the 1035 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,480 upcoming slides. The fund started this 1036 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,319 year with a very minimal fund balance as 1037 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:11,040 we discussed at the end of last year uh 1038 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,880 and is only ending this year with 1039 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,359 $190,000 surplus due to the inclusion of 1040 00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:18,160 a $900,000 onetime transfer in of 1041 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,640 unrestricted ARP interest earnings to 1042 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,200 help the fund this year. Without any 1043 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,119 action, the fund is projected to have a 1044 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,200 $ 1.3 million deficit due to the 1045 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,880 increased costs in the fund and the lack 1046 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,359 of one-time options for it going 1047 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:37,750 forward. 1048 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,160 This slide just shows a breakdown of 1049 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,160 those costs in the past few years and 1050 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,160 against budget. Um we are projecting 1051 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,319 slightly higher labor costs than 1052 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:52,960 anticipated uh due to um mostly needing 1053 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,520 to use other divisions uh for staffing 1054 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,599 shortages. There really are no vacancy 1055 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,720 savings in this fund um to provide the 1056 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,680 service at the level uh that we expect 1057 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,599 uh as well as slightly higher co-mingled 1058 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,599 recycling costs than were budgeted. 1059 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,520 revenue is projected to come in at 1060 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,319 budget with no notable deviations uh 1061 00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,319 outside of some reduced recycling 1062 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,640 revenue grant from the state uh being 1063 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,839 offset by other miscellaneous revenue. 1064 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,000 Um not from a budget to budget 1065 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,760 perspective, but also note uh I'll 1066 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,680 discuss later the paper recycling line 1067 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,200 item dropping notably from over 200,000 1068 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:39,030 in 2025 to only 55,000 in 2026. 1069 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,520 So this graphic provides a long range 1070 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,400 trajectory of the solid waste fund 1071 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,480 revenues and expenses um from 2015 1072 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960 through the current period and it really 1073 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,040 drives uh that the change in 2022 1074 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,920 that has impacted this fund uh prior to 1075 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,240 2022 costs grew uh at a very low rate of 1076 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,079 about 1.3% 1077 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,520 Since then, 2022 to 2027 uh expenses 1078 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,520 have gone up 1079 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,200 32% or just almost 6% yeartoyear. 1080 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,880 Uh the 2022 to 27 revenue uh increase 1081 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,200 without any f 1082 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,359 additional rate increases for 27 would 1083 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:27,520 only be 2 and a.5% during that time 1084 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,760 period um on an annualized basis. 1085 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,280 The dotted lines on the graphic uh just 1086 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,480 provide a visualization of the one-time 1087 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,240 waiverss of expenses and onetime 1088 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,720 revenues that we've used in the past two 1089 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:50,790 years to temporarily help the fund. 1090 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,720 This graphic shows uh the 1091 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,079 rate trajectory for our 1092 00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,880 refues and recycling 1093 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,920 unit costs. So most of our costs are of 1094 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,160 course the red line which goes up over 1095 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,599 time but a much smaller pace. Uh that's 1096 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,599 our refuge collection which is just 1097 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,440 under $100 per ton this year 1098 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,240 and will grow by 4% uh contractually in 1099 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,520 the next few years each year. Recycling 1100 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,319 rates uh here are shown what we 1101 00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:26,319 ultimately pay which is the market plus 1102 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:29,119 our haulers fixed costs. So the 1103 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,160 co-mingled recycling in blue uh we had a 1104 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,160 very good market that drove down our 1105 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640 costs. We even received some revenue for 1106 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200 our co-mingled recycling products uh 1107 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960 during some stretches of time in late 1108 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,839 2021 and early 2022. 1109 00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:45,680 Excuse me. 1110 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,920 Um our most recent contract has helped 1111 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,400 somewhat. You see a small decline from a 1112 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,720 very high uh record high number at the 1113 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,440 end of 2025 into 2026 with the new 1114 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,960 hauler. Um but the overall recycling 1115 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,319 market is still not very strong. Uh 1116 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,480 paper also had a similar trajectory 1117 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,400 where we were getting uh very high rates 1118 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,079 uh of revenue on our paper recycling uh 1119 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:13,680 which is shown as a negative here. So 1120 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,240 the lower the more revenue we got. Um 1121 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,359 there are minimal local buyers of our 1122 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,000 paper and cardboard products which saw 1123 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,440 little competition in the last time we 1124 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,599 went to the market for that contract. Uh 1125 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,599 so much of the movement you see from 25 1126 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:34,480 to 26 uh going towards $0, it's it's uh 1127 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,640 you know in the $25 range currently per 1128 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,520 ton uh was just the change in that 1129 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,920 contract. We used to get a premium on 1130 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,920 the market price for our paper products 1131 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,440 and now we uh pay a slight fee uh for 1132 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,750 the service of uh having it hauled away. 1133 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,280 So overall our solid waste fee revenues 1134 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680 the fees themselves represent almost 90% 1135 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,640 of fund revenues. Uh this total solid 1136 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,119 waste revenue growth is is constrained 1137 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,760 and uh absent additional fee increases 1138 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,839 or the uh growth of non fee revenue uh 1139 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,599 that has troubled us and actually has 1140 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,839 gone the opposite way in the past few 1141 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,520 years. As I highlight here and noted 1142 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,040 before, our recycling uh contract uh has 1143 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,160 reduced that revenue potential. Uh we 1144 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,880 also saw some changes to the way that 1145 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,680 the PAP 1146 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,319 uh considers multi-municipal 1147 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:35,920 uh 1148 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,640 solicitations for their grant award. Uh 1149 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,720 so we receive less in that grant money 1150 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,079 by about 20,000 a year. Um and charges 1151 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,079 from services are growth are minimal at 1152 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,480 best. We've already implemented 1153 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,559 cleanup weekend charge and have it 1154 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,319 increased our cost recovery fees for 1155 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:54,640 special pickup which do help uh but at 1156 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,040 the margins compared to the deficit that 1157 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,319 we are looking at ahead. 1158 00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,559 Just to touch upon the cleanup weekend 1159 00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,000 uh since that was discussed at the end 1160 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,960 of last year which entails uh a crew of 1161 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,280 about 16 employees on Saturday and 1162 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,000 Sunday uh providing that service we 1163 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,559 institute a $20 per entry fee for that 1164 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,319 weekend. Uh car counts notably declined 1165 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:21,920 uh by 60%. Tonnage declined by 40%. The 1166 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,520 average tonnage uh was $155 1167 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,760 per car. You go any other weekend and 1168 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,280 spend $20, that will buy you $140 1169 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,240 uh of of drop off. Um so this fee 1170 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,079 reduced our cost ultimately. We had no 1171 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:43,839 revenue against it. it turned a $86,000 1172 00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,079 uh net cost to the township down to 1173 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,839 approximately 40. So considerable 1174 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,359 decline in the attendance really 1175 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,839 prevented that full cost recovery. Um 1176 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:55,119 that was probably always difficult but 1177 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,079 um I think we're expecting 1178 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:05,349 not quite that decline that we saw 1179 00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,359 on the expenditure side of the ledger. 1180 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:12,000 Um the several factors have driven that 1181 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,520 co those costs to grow 32% from 22 to 1182 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,000 27. We did add a crew that helped 1183 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,800 operations in 2023, but that on top of 1184 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,640 the overall wage growth since that time 1185 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,559 and healthc care cost increases have 1186 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,920 added up. Um you'll see on the next 1187 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,760 slide visually the significant increase 1188 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,880 in vehicle replacement costs um for 1189 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,680 these vehicles. Um, we also had a period 1190 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,920 of time in which 1191 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,400 we were had orders out for a year or two 1192 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,800 on end. So, we had to maintain aging 1193 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,400 vehicle. So, at the same time, we were 1194 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,160 trying to uh recover future costs to 1195 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,800 replace uh that fleet that's becoming 1196 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,319 more expensive. We also had the 1197 00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:54,400 maintenance costs as we waited for those 1198 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,390 vehicles to come in. 1199 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,720 And this visually just shows that um 1200 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,119 with those vehicle charges to the fund 1201 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,720 growing very fast from 22 to 2025 and 1202 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,400 have leveled out since then now that 1203 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,079 we're able to get those vehicles in and 1204 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:11,680 maintenance costs have relieved and 1205 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,280 we're kind of in the new normal of what 1206 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,359 those vehicles cost uh to to get as well 1207 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,520 as the labor cost growth in the fund 1208 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:28,150 growing about 37% uh since 2022. 1209 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,160 So the need to address the large deficit 1210 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,760 requires a significant rate increase 1211 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,400 and/or subsidy from the general fund. 1212 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,760 this screen. There are several rate 1213 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,240 levels at various increases uh with the 1214 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,640 finance committee's recommended 14% in 1215 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,800 the middle uh which would constitute an 1216 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,119 increase uh to the many can subscription 1217 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,280 of $42, 1218 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,880 an increase to the standard subscription 1219 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,079 to $65 and an increase to the enhanced 1220 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:58,309 subscription of $96 for 2027. 1221 00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:01,520 If we were to raise rates and not 1222 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,839 require any general fund subsidy, we 1223 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,359 would be in that we'd be talking about 1224 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:13,670 that 15 to 17.5% uh range. 1225 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,720 So the finance committee officers uh did 1226 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,280 meet to review uh the status of this 1227 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,559 fund and in our conversations 1228 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,960 we came are coming to the board this 1229 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,960 evening with the recommendation of a 14% 1230 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,160 rate increase for 2027. a general fund 1231 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,119 transfer in subsidy for the 2027 year, 1232 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,920 currently projected at 140,000 uh to 1233 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,280 keep this uh fund at a budget neutral 1234 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,240 position uh in 2027. Um and to uh review 1235 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,000 whether the two cleanup weekends in the 1236 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,319 spring are warranted with a reduced uh 1237 00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:55,280 utilization of the weekend service. 1238 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,480 With those two recommended changes, 1239 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,240 uh the 2027 projected financials are are 1240 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,480 in front of you, uh which would retain 1241 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,720 an approximate $300,000 fund balance at 1242 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,470 year end. 1243 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,990 Any 1244 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,480 solid waste, any solid waste fee 1245 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,079 increase of course requires an ordinance 1246 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,240 that's before you for uh authorization 1247 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,680 to advertise tonight uh to be voted on 1248 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,920 uh prior to the end of October. Um, 1249 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,240 as past practice with fee increases, we 1250 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,720 will send out a mailing to go out to 1251 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:38,079 each customer to verify their current 1252 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,079 subscription and provide a option uh to 1253 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,880 switch if they do have a subscription 1254 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,400 level uh that's higher than they 1255 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,040 ultimately need at this time. And the 1256 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,680 2027 solid waste bill is included on the 1257 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,359 tax bill which is mailed at the end of 1258 00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:58,069 January. 1259 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,319 happy to answer any questions you have. 1260 00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:01,839 >> Do any members of the public with us 1261 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,359 this evening have any questions or 1262 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:07,119 comments on this item? Seeing none, 1263 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,599 thank you very much, Adam. There's a lot 1264 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,559 that you have presented on this topic. 1265 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,800 Needless to say, it's an enormously 1266 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,599 challenging issue. Uh the finance 1267 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,200 committee officers, commissioners 1268 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,440 Courtourtney and Sparrow and myself 1269 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,119 along with staff uh went through this in 1270 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,319 depth at a recent meeting which was 1271 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:31,839 which followed our in-depth meeting on 1272 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,839 considering changes to our fund balance 1273 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:38,079 policy which we recently voted on. Um 1274 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,800 tonight is an authorization to advertise 1275 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,319 so there would be another vote in 1276 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,720 October. 1277 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,680 Volume has been flat essentially since 1278 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,319 2014 1279 00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:54,400 for refues. Costs are up. Other revenue 1280 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,160 is down. 1281 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,280 Um our goal 1282 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,440 is that this 1283 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,319 annual review of the solid waste fund is 1284 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:07,680 to be able to say that fees would 1285 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,520 increase no more than inflation. But 1286 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,680 we're not there because of these 1287 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,240 different difficult impacts 1288 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,599 um on this fund. We would like to get 1289 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,400 there. Um 1290 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,240 you know the changes we implemented a 1291 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,760 year ago. Uh we'd also 1292 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,079 committee recommends that we only have 1293 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,839 one spring cleanup weekend and not two 1294 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:35,359 pending 1295 00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,760 uh the data that will be coming from the 1296 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,160 next cleanup weekend which is uh on 1297 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,640 October 1298 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,319 first weekend of October 1299 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:46,000 >> second. Yeah. 1300 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,920 >> Second or third. 1301 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,040 >> So shortly after that staff will provide 1302 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,720 an update for our review. But we think 1303 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,720 that the data is going to demonstrate 1304 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,720 that one cleanup weekend in the spring 1305 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:03,119 is all that is needed. So 1306 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,040 that's what's before us. Do committee 1307 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,960 members have questions or comments? 1308 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,160 Commissioner Bernheim. 1309 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,079 >> Thank you very much, Commissioner. Um I 1310 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,760 am sure there was, you know, a lot of um 1311 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,960 a lot of review to come up with a 14% 1312 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,079 increase. 1313 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,240 you know that 1314 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,119 in one realm that's like a sticker shock 1315 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,359 type number in another the actual cost 1316 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:34,240 itself and I I just look at where most 1317 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,960 people just at the the one camp isn't 1318 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,839 probably outrageous if you were to find 1319 00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:44,240 other municipalities that use um private 1320 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,040 services to go go ahead and do it. Uh 1321 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,920 but the the question still comes all 1322 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,480 right where else might we be able to 1323 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,000 find some element of cost savings? If 1324 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,720 anybody was doing some back of the 1325 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,680 napkin math when we went through the 1326 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,319 recent budget workshop, uh they 1327 00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,079 recognize we're talking plus or minus at 1328 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,240 least, you know, 5% tax increase and 14% 1329 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,440 um you know, solid weight waste fund. 1330 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,000 So, I I take a look at this and I see, 1331 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,920 for example, the um labor costs jumping 1332 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,520 um doing quick math here now about 5 and 1333 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,200 a half%. 1334 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,640 What What's the driver for that? 1335 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,079 >> Well, we know currently that our 1336 00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,359 healthcare utilization is at 12% above 1337 00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:43,839 expected for 2026. 1338 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,440 So that's a big driver of that being 1339 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,470 above any uh wage increase 1340 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,000 projections that we have in there and 1341 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,280 that's kind of driving it uh as well uh 1342 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,960 is that healthcare. We don't know what 1343 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:04,799 it is yet of course. Um so and that's part of it. We put in that 12% on 1344 00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:06,640 health care because that's where our 1345 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,000 utilization is right now. Um, and I 1346 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,280 don't want to be in a position where I 1347 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,079 come back and say I had a pretty bad 1348 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,839 projection on that that it was, you 1349 00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:17,839 know, I did six when I knew our 1350 00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,079 utilization was at 12. 1351 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,440 >> Um, all right. 1352 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,400 >> Do you want to add? 1353 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,520 >> So, I mean, Adam, it's basically the 1354 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,359 combination of some kind of guess as to 1355 00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:31,599 where wages will go next year 1356 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,000 >> and then combine in a double digit 1357 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,799 expected healthc care premium increase. 1358 00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:39,760 the two of them combined then raise it 1359 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,520 >> raise it. Yeah. I mean I when I was 1360 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,720 looking at it maybe you know missing the insurance item I was thinking what 1361 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,440 my crystal ball said that that WA 1362 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,280 increase would be not adding the 1363 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,319 insurance component to it. Um yet 1364 00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:57,040 hopefully that's a a higher estimate 1365 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,799 than reality but we won't know until 1366 00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,359 that occurs. Um, in reference to vehicle 1367 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,799 charges, uh, and and the expenses there, 1368 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:09,040 we still use these also as snow plows, 1369 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,760 any of the trucks, we do we used to 1370 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,680 >> we we will bring them out in a heavier 1371 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,160 snow and put plows on them and we'll use 1372 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,200 them to plows main arteries. 1373 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,359 >> They're not in every snowstorm obviously 1374 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,359 only the only the bigger snowstorms that 1375 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:26,160 require a lot of extensive plowing. So, 1376 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,720 this may be more of an accounting um 1377 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,640 question because dollars in and dollars 1378 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,960 out at the end of the day um are still 1379 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,160 dollars. Uh since it's used then for 1380 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,720 public works, does some of those charges 1381 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,400 go over to public works budget versus um 1382 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,839 the solid waste fund? 1383 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:47,520 >> Yeah, Adam tracks it going both ways. So 1384 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,680 at times public works uh highway 1385 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,640 division is helping uh is helping pick 1386 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,440 up trash when we're short personnel and 1387 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,160 trash and then of course when 1388 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,240 refuge employees are helping the other 1389 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,760 way we track that as well. 1390 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,200 >> All right. So it's um net nothing. 1391 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:05,760 >> Okay. 1392 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,520 >> I'm not sure we charge I don't I don't 1393 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,200 think we charge by the day for the 1394 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,119 vehicles but certainly the labor costs 1395 01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,280 go both ways when they service each 1396 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:13,920 other. 1397 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,079 >> Um all right. So then as opposed to me 1398 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,040 um doing some guesswork here, is there 1399 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,040 anything else that you have thought of 1400 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,839 where we might be able to trim some of 1401 01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,480 the cost? So potentially the increase 1402 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,559 we're looking at would be less than 14%. 1403 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:33,839 One or two things that we've already 1404 01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:35,680 done, I didn't mention in here, but we 1405 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,680 did an audit of both of our recycling 1406 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,200 contracts to make sure that we're 1407 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,040 getting paid 1408 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,559 the appropriate amount based on the 1409 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,440 market um going back a few years on our 1410 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,319 paper recycling contract and that that 1411 01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,799 worked out. Um 1412 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:53,760 and we also did an audit recently with 1413 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,920 our comingled hauler of our um the split 1414 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:04,400 of our uh comingled recycling because if 1415 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,640 we saw any notable movement in the high 1416 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,520 value plastics and the aluminum that 1417 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,640 would help us because basically it's 1418 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,760 costly to do those o 1419 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,200 frequently. Um, so 1420 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,480 you your contract is basically has fixed 1421 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,319 uh split of your different coingled 1422 01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:30,240 products based on past history. Um, we 1423 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,079 looked at that just to see if there were 1424 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,400 going to be any gains and I'm happy to 1425 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,559 say that our cost went down by 20 cents 1426 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,200 per ton uh because our numbers were 1427 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,880 pretty good and we saw a little bit of 1428 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,040 switch. The thing that we did learn in 1429 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,119 that process that certainly we're going 1430 01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,640 to have with public information um is 1431 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,920 that when they receive 1432 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,599 recycling products in garbage bags, 1433 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,319 that's residue that's thrown out. It's a 1434 01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:00,240 public it's a safety hazard for them to 1435 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,720 open up those bags um because they don't 1436 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,960 know what's in them. Um so that is 1437 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,160 something that we're going to hit on the 1438 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,079 public information side. It's on the 1439 01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,799 margins, but I'd say that please do not 1440 01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:15,280 put your recycling in trash bags. Uh 1441 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,119 save there. Um 1442 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:18,799 >> you you have mentioned that before and I 1443 01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,880 think it's incumbent upon all of us in 1444 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,359 whatever vehicles, be it the 1445 01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:25,119 commissioners or the township app to 1446 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:26,960 educate people because they just don't 1447 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:27,440 know. 1448 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,640 >> Yeah. So those are some of the things 1449 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,760 that we we've taken a look at. Um yeah, 1450 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,359 it's 1451 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,440 the hard thing is it's it's a hard 1452 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,079 business in this part of the state. A 1453 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:39,200 lot of people are dealing with these 1454 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,480 cost increases. Um, and it's always 1455 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,319 incumbent upon us to find other cost 1456 01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,079 savings areas and something that we're 1457 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:47,920 going to be looking hard at and have 1458 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,480 looked hard at. 1459 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,480 >> And and then of course there's the paper 1460 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,799 recycling the actual for 2025 228,000 1461 01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:59,200 and looking at 55,000 in 2026. 1462 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,000 That not going to rebound according to 1463 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,200 your crystal ball. Well, we have a a 1464 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,720 contract uh in hand. We can decide to 1465 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,240 extend it or not, but if we don't extend 1466 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,760 it, we have to go back to the market. 1467 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,839 And you know, I'll knock down every door 1468 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:17,280 to try and find another buyer of our 1469 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,760 uh recycling. But um in talking with our 1470 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,079 com, they were not surprised that we 1471 01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,480 only got one bit. 1472 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,880 >> Okay. Thank you very much, Commissioner 1473 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,280 Zah. No other talk. 1474 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:33,599 Yeah. 1475 01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,039 >> Well, we do need to try and find a 1476 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,039 little humor in this. So, um, other 1477 01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:39,280 committee members with questions or 1478 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,240 comments. 1479 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,359 >> President sign off. 1480 01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:45,200 >> Thanks, Commissioner Z. Uh, so, Adam, 1481 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,720 just a question. Um, you you had 1482 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,960 mentioned that the township 1483 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,160 um practice had been a 10% fund balance 1484 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,160 for emergencies and contingencies. 1485 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,000 I just wasn't quite sure what an 1486 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,920 emergency or contingency would be in 1487 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,319 this fund. Um 1488 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:07,200 you when we had looked at the uh the 1489 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,720 fund balance policy like one of the 1490 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,920 things that you had showed us was just 1491 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,920 how much volatility there was and I 1492 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,039 don't know if you have a sense of like 1493 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,720 the historic volatility in this fund so 1494 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,640 we can you calibrate. 1495 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,480 >> It doesn't really have any volatility. 1496 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,160 Okay. To be honest I think that carries 1497 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,640 more from it's in the policy along with 1498 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,119 the sanitary sewer fund which certainly 1499 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,799 could have its emergencies. um and also 1500 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,400 carries debt so it has a much more 1501 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,920 strong 1502 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,920 fund balance you know threshold in my 1503 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:34,480 mind. 1504 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:34,880 >> Okay. 1505 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,680 >> Compared to this. 1506 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,200 >> So so there there there's like there's 1507 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,559 nothing in practice there's like nothing 1508 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,480 we need to buffer against in this that 1509 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,799 >> and technically you know our compactor 1510 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:45,280 uh which mostly provides services to the 1511 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,960 refugees uh is not 1512 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,680 that's part of our CIP. It doesn't get 1513 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,640 put into the the the solid waste fund. 1514 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,480 So, in theory, the general fund is 1515 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,359 subsidizing uh some of that capital. 1516 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:01,039 >> Okay, perfect. 1517 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:02,960 >> Thank you. Yeah, and I I I sent a bunch 1518 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,400 of questions earlier that I'm just not 1519 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,920 going to repeat tonight. Suffice it to 1520 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,839 say that uh it was a impressive u piece 1521 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:12,880 of work that that you and the the uh the 1522 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,319 chairs and vice chairs of the finance 1523 01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,559 committee did uh working on this and 1524 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,000 thinking it through. So, so thank you 1525 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,960 everyone. Thanks, Commissioner Zoff. 1526 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,480 Adam, just to reiterate what you said, 1527 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,200 the sanitary sewer fund does carry debt. 1528 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,119 This fund, the solid waste fund, carries 1529 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,079 no debt. 1530 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,000 >> Okay. Other committee members with 1531 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,990 questions or comments. 1532 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,039 » Commissioner Kramer, do you have your 1533 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,400 hand up? I can't tell. 1534 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,119 >> Yes. 1535 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:40,400 >> Okay. 1536 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,160 >> Yes, I do. 1537 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,559 Um, I have spoken about what I view as 1538 01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:50,480 some inequities in the way in which this 1539 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,520 these fees are structured each year for 1540 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,760 a couple of years. And I'm not going to 1541 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,440 reiterate everything that I have said, 1542 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,520 but I think that 1543 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,440 it's important to realize that there are 1544 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,359 many residents 1545 01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:06,799 who even before these proposed increases 1546 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:09,359 are paying more in solid solid waste 1547 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:13,280 fees than they are in real estate taxes. 1548 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,039 And the burden falls in my view 1549 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:22,400 inequitably on the the smallest um 1550 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,640 assessed homeowners. 1551 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,599 I think that this just reiterates the 1552 01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,079 importance of reviewing the way in which 1553 01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,760 we charge for this and I would hope that 1554 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,240 this would become a priority next year. 1555 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,520 I would also prefer to see a greater 1556 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,400 subsidy of this fund from the general 1557 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880 fund instead of putting all of the 1558 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:54,390 burden on um the homeowners in this way. 1559 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,160 » Other committee members, Commissioner 1560 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:56,960 Courtney. 1561 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,960 >> Thank you, Commissioner. 1562 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,359 I I share some of Commissioner Kramer's 1563 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:05,520 concerns about the inequity of a of a 1564 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,440 fee that is mandatory. That's the 1565 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,400 equivalent of a flat tax. Uh that being 1566 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,119 said, we did debate this, wrestle this. 1567 01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,039 That point came up in the conversation 1568 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,319 we had in our committee and uh the 14% 1569 01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:20,559 was with the 140 transfer was the 1570 01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:23,599 compromise that we arrived at. And so I 1571 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:25,520 agree that we should revisit this policy 1572 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,319 in the future, but for this year, uh I 1573 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,799 stand by the compromise that we made. 1574 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:32,000 >> Thank you. 1575 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,640 And the finance committee operates on 1576 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,319 the approach that if we're all a little 1577 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,400 bit unhappy, then we've uh accomplished 1578 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,680 uh our our mission as uh handed to us as 1579 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,920 given to us by President Sinai. Um 1580 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,839 okay, other committee members with 1581 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,559 questions or comments? 1582 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,280 Seeing none, uh this motion has been 1583 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,520 made and seconded. All those in favor, 1584 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,240 raise your hand. 1585 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,720 Are there any opposed? 1586 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,039 Are there any abstensions? 1587 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,119 >> Madam Secretary, that carries 1588 01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,760 unanimously. Uh, President Sinai, before 1589 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,799 I hand the gavl back to you, I would 1590 01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:14,559 like to uh recognize our CFO because in 1591 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,120 the month of September, we have had 1592 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,520 three meetings, all of which have 1593 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,719 included significant time for finance 1594 01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:25,679 issues, including the debt issuing 1595 01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,159 tonight, the debt issuance of new debt, 1596 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,880 the solid waste fund, two meetings on 1597 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,359 our fund balance policy, 1598 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,239 uh, a lot of work on our two collective 1599 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:37,520 bargaining agreements which are 1600 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,040 currently being negotiated. And finally, 1601 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,080 uh considering the options and proposals 1602 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,600 to implement an ERP system which is uh 1603 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,520 going to be a significant improvement in 1604 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,279 how our 1605 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,319 township operates uh which was discussed 1606 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,719 at the budget workshop in June. And I 1607 01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:58,319 may have missed something but thank you 1608 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,040 Adam and uh thank you all. 1609 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,640 >> Okay. Thanks Commissioner Zeloff. Our 1610 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,080 next committee meeting for this evening 1611 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,679 is building 1612 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:06,960 recognize Commissioner Whan. 1613 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,880 >> Thank you, President Sinai. We have one 1614 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,199 item on the agenda this evening. Might 1615 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:12,960 feel like a little bit of deja vu to 1616 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,480 everyone. This is the agenda item we 1617 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,239 postponed last week to make sure we got 1618 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,319 everything buttoned up and right for 1619 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,640 this week, and I believe it is. So, this 1620 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,640 is with regard to the authorization to 1621 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,279 advertise an ordinance chapter 155 1622 01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:27,920 zoning multiple principal buildings in 1623 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,400 the CADB 1624 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,640 Z2603 1625 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,960 district. So, I'm going to get us 1626 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,279 started by moving to recommend to the 1627 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,880 board of commissioners authorizing the 1628 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,040 township secretary to advertise a public 1629 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,520 hearing and notice of intent to adopt an 1630 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,960 ordinance to amend the code of the 1631 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,839 township of lower Maran chapter 155 1632 01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:51,120 entitled zoning article 6 special 1633 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,080 districts table 6.8.2 2 Bala Village 1634 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,400 Dimensional Standards to add a rear 1635 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,400 setback provision for structures backing 1636 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:06,159 to a railroad rightway. Section 155-6.8 1637 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,400 to provide standards for entries, 1638 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,719 signage, and windows when multiple 1639 01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:13,120 principal buildings exist on a lot. 1640 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,320 Section 155-6.6.H 1641 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,960 H to provide buffer and greening 1642 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,239 standards common driveways 1643 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,560 for common driveways serving more than 1644 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,520 one lot. Do I have a second? 1645 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,040 >> Thank you, Commissioner Wooding. Vice 1646 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,679 President Woodring. Uh Chris, can you 1647 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:32,400 take us away? 1648 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,199 >> Good evening. Um this evening, um 1649 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:36,880 bringing forward an ordinance for 1650 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,640 consideration for the building planning 1651 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,640 committee to authorize for 1652 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,719 advertisement. It's to modify 1653 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:45,520 dimensional standards within the Ball 1654 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,800 Village district. Um 1655 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,120 Ball Village is is a district that runs 1656 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,360 along Bow Avenue from McGomery Avenue to 1657 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,000 City Avenue and it also includes um 1658 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,239 parts of City Avenue running down a 1659 01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,239 little bit past St. Joe's University 1660 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,679 from Balor Avenue. What we've seen in in 1661 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:05,679 Ball Village over the last few years is 1662 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,199 some of these areas are in transition. 1663 01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,440 We know it has multiple character areas. 1664 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:10,719 area around the theater that everybody 1665 01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,800 knows is a traditional downtown feel. 1666 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,800 And the area along City Avenue has a 1667 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,520 very distinct highway kind of retail 1668 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,640 feel, but there's a block between uh 1669 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,239 Union Avenue and City Avenue that is of 1670 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,640 a completely different character. It has 1671 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,679 currently has some office buildings um 1672 01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:32,320 some kind of a a mix of uses, office 1673 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,120 buildings. There's also been some retail 1674 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,520 uh car uses, auto uses, and it's in 1675 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,320 transition. And these lots are very long 1676 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,280 and narrow and we're want to anticipate 1677 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,920 what they could be redeveloped as. And 1678 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,679 as we started to look at this and we've 1679 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:49,600 had conversations with people from the 1680 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,600 community, the ward commissioner, we 1681 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,600 thought that we bring forward this set 1682 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,440 of um dimensional amendments that would 1683 01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,360 better that would promote better 1684 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,600 contextsensitive development on that 1685 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,560 block because as it is now, the Ball 1686 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,040 Village District in our entire code 1687 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,120 requires all buildings to front on a 1688 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,640 road. That just makes sense. You should 1689 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,080 have a building should front on a road, 1690 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,320 but it also allows multiple buildings. 1691 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,400 So what happens in Bow Village with many 1692 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,840 of the lots is they're very long and 1693 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,159 deep and you can't get a road through 1694 01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,040 those areas. So you would if it was 1695 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,320 going to be redeveloped, it would be 1696 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,400 redeveloped as one very large massive 1697 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,840 building. We've seen a lot of these has 1698 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,199 come in. Many of these are residential 1699 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,040 buildings. You're seeing ground floor 1700 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,440 commercial with three or four stories of 1701 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,159 residential over top of them. The other 1702 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:39,920 side of this block is um zoned MDR1. 1703 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,480 It's it's twins, it's singles, it's a 1704 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,199 residential block. We're we don't feel 1705 01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,320 that we'd like to give some options that type of development could take 1706 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,920 place. It could be mixeduse development, 1707 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,360 but we'd like to be able to introduce 1708 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,040 another type of development if it was 1709 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,120 just going to become residential along 1710 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,440 the way. So, what this set of 1711 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,920 dimensional standards does is it reduces 1712 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,600 the setback in the back along the 1713 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,520 railroad tracks. Currently, it can vary 1714 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,880 between 25 and zero. This gives it a 15t 1715 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,840 set. if it if it for lots that just back 1716 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,360 along re um a railroad track and it also 1717 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,840 most importantly permits buildings to 1718 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,000 front along a pedestrian way. Now, they 1719 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,840 still have to front along the the 1720 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,600 street. If there's a street edge, the 1721 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,199 buildings still need to follow along 1722 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:26,880 that. But then you can introduce a 1723 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,880 pedestrian way and buildings can front 1724 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,159 on that. And that would allow to have 1725 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:33,920 multiple buildings. And something of the 1726 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,920 form I think is very important. Instead 1727 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,560 of having one large building on these 1728 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,159 properties, you could have multiple 1729 01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:41,840 smaller scale buildings, which is much 1730 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,520 more in context with what you see across 1731 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,520 the street. And I think you really would 1732 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,280 anticipate something like a townhouse, 1733 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,960 right? and a townhouse is very 1734 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,040 consistent with the MDR, one district on 1735 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,520 the other side of the street. 1736 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,360 The other piece of this is that we know 1737 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,760 we have multiple small narrow blocks 1738 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,360 that are all lined up next to each 1739 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,960 other. And one of the things that we 1740 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,040 would like to encourage is the reduction 1741 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,800 of curb cuts as you go along that we 1742 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,880 want this to be a walkable neighborhood. 1743 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,719 So, if we can encourage property owners 1744 01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:11,520 to work together to share driveways, we 1745 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,719 want to do that. And some of these 1746 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:16,000 changes here facilitate that. Um they 1747 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,120 allow um where a shared driveway is 1748 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,400 putting in some certain greening 1749 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,960 standards that if um buildings have 1750 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,560 driveways that face onto that, they have 1751 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,760 to have a certain type of greening 1752 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,440 standard with deciduous trees and more 1753 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,280 of a traditional streetscape. But if 1754 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,640 residential um lots are along that along 1755 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,800 that edge, you can have evergreens. and 1756 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,040 it allows for a contextsensitive um 1757 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040 solution there that would we think would 1758 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,280 work between developers to cooperate 1759 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,440 together to reduce curb cuts to create 1760 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:45,280 greening to create a better streetscape 1761 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,800 that would better reinforce the street 1762 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,440 across the way. So in some that's the 1763 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,040 purpose of what we're doing and that's 1764 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,280 the that's what this is before I'm happy 1765 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,199 to answer any questions in detail. 1766 01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,960 >> Thank you Chris. And before we get that 1767 01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,960 just one clarification I mean what we're 1768 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,960 doing here tonight I'm fully in favor of 1769 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,239 and I I think we got it right. Um, but 1770 01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,560 what you just described, you know, we're 1771 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,800 doing it in Ballot Village, but it would 1772 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,120 be applicable elsewhere in the township. 1773 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,800 And so I think should should the 1774 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,040 commissioners anticipate that this may 1775 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,760 be rolled out in the future in other 1776 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,040 districts where appropriate throughout 1777 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:19,600 the township? 1778 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:20,400 >> Exactly. 1779 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,719 >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, any questions or 1780 01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:25,440 comments from other commissioners? 1781 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,600 >> Commissioner Zoff, I want to follow up 1782 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,199 on the question you just asked. So can 1783 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,440 you explain further because we have a 1784 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,960 number of zoning districts 1785 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,159 >> uh throughout the township. So what what 1786 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,400 exactly does what does does your answer 1787 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,760 mean? So if this is successful in Ball 1788 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,719 Village, it would be considered for 1789 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:48,000 other districts. 1790 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,840 >> Correct. I think we would look at this 1791 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,600 in in other commercial districts. Um, 1792 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,440 one of the the things that that brought 1793 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,719 this about, um, properties with the new 1794 01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:00,480 zoning code, our new formbbased code 1795 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:02,640 were that's when we were requiring the 1796 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,120 front along a street. And part of that 1797 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,159 was the vast majority of of properties 1798 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:09,920 in the township are single family 1799 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,840 residential. That that really is the 1800 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,159 vast majority of the area. And by 1801 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,080 fronting along a street, it really 1802 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,159 discouraged future subdivision in many 1803 01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:19,840 ways to preserve green space, preserve 1804 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:20,960 the character of the neighborhoods, 1805 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,040 which was an overriding goal of the 2020 1806 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,760 zoning code. What we didn't do is we 1807 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,120 didn't, you know, we needed a little bit 1808 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,560 more time in this to be able to have 1809 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,159 time to see how that applied to 1810 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,080 commercial areas. And to your point, 1811 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,920 Commissioner Zolaf, I think we would, if 1812 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,679 this is successful in this area, it 1813 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:37,040 could apply to our other commercial 1814 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,960 areas along the way, particularly those 1815 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,120 that back up along railroads. We have 1816 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,360 this similar situation in other areas of 1817 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,880 the township. 1818 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,800 >> Well, I what I thought you might say is 1819 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,400 other commercial areas in which there 1820 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,880 are long 1821 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,199 >> narrow lots with limited frontage. Isn't 1822 01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:53,920 that's what 1823 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,480 >> it's isn't that what's driving this in 1824 01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:57,760 this zone. 1825 01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,840 >> Correct. It's the long narrow lots that 1826 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,840 have a singular frontage that they would 1827 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,600 kind of terminate in the back end. Most 1828 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,320 of those are in for planners, we look at 1829 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,920 that. We call them railroad lots. 1830 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,199 They're railroad lots because most of 1831 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:10,719 the time that's how they were plotted it 1832 01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,239 out. There's a road and they go back to 1833 01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:13,120 a railroad. 1834 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,719 >> Yeah, 1835 01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:17,520 it doesn't seem to me that there are 1836 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,440 many other areas of the township where 1837 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,520 that's the case and there may be and 1838 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,040 they're not thinking of them, but 1839 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,600 >> you would see a lot of there's a lot of 1840 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,719 those type of lots in this in this in the in the BV zone. 1841 01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:32,560 >> Correct. And and B Village is in 1842 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,840 transition, so it's right on our 1843 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,199 forefront. We've been looking at it. 1844 01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:36,320 you'll see something later on your 1845 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,400 agenda this this evening. So, Battle 1846 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,440 Village has been getting a lot of 1847 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,280 attention and it made sense to focus it 1848 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,600 there and like I say, this is very easy. 1849 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,040 We could replicate it and bring it to 1850 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,080 other districts, 1851 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,080 >> but it would be zone dependent. 1852 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:48,560 >> Correct. 1853 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,400 >> Great. Thank you very much. 1854 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:55,280 >> Thank you, Commissioner Dr. Rosman. 1855 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,760 >> As the uh 1856 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,000 commissioner for that ward, I wholly 1857 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,239 support this. I think uh this will help 1858 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,480 develop that block into a neighborhood 1859 01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,920 feel and um and hope it continues 1860 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,400 because uh I think this will be a lot 1861 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,960 better than having empty retail space 1862 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,640 which was originally zoned in that area 1863 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,400 in a much different configured to that 1864 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,920 property. 1865 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,000 Thank you. 1866 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,080 >> Anyone else? 1867 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,560 >> Seeing none are any questions or 1868 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,120 comments from the public? 1869 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,400 >> Seeing none 1870 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,239 I'm sorry. If you want to talk, you have 1871 01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:35,910 to come up to. 1872 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,199 Um, seeing none, uh, the motion has been 1873 01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,600 raised and seconded, made and seconded. 1874 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,679 All those in favor, raise your hand. 1875 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,080 Jody, that passes unanimously. 1876 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,920 >> And President Sinai, we are done with 1877 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,440 building and filming. 1878 01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,280 >> Thank you very much. 1879 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,040 >> You know, as you reminded me earlier, I 1880 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,880 do have a prior commitment uh this 1881 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,080 evening. Uh so vice president um 1882 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,760 Woodring is going to take over the 1883 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,280 festivities for the rest of the night. 1884 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,239 >> Thank you. 1885 01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:13,910 >> Sorry. 1886 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,000 » All right. Um so next item on our agenda 1887 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,360 is the special board of commissioners 1888 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,760 meeting. Uh so we'll call that to order. 1889 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,760 Will the September 23rd, 2026 meeting of 1890 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,040 the board of commissioners of township 1891 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,560 of Laura Marian please come to order. 1892 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,000 All rise to pledge allegiance to the 1893 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,000 flag. 1894 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 1895 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,280 United States of America and to the 1896 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,320 republic for which it stands, one nation 1897 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,280 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 1898 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,159 justice for all. 1899 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,159 >> Madam Secretary, will you please call 1900 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:45,280 the role? 1901 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,679 >> Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Mr. Bar, 1902 01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:48,239 >> present. 1903 01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:49,199 >> Mr. 1904 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:49,679 >> here. 1905 01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:50,560 >> Mr. Dailyaly, 1906 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:51,040 >> here. 1907 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:51,840 >> Miss Epste 1908 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:52,320 >> here. 1909 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:53,360 >> Mr. Gregory, 1910 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:53,760 >> here. 1911 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,199 >> Miss Kramer 1912 01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:56,400 >> here. 1913 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:57,760 Miss Miss Maguire 1914 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:58,239 >> here. 1915 01:19:58,239 --> 01:19:59,199 >> Dr. Rossman 1916 01:19:59,199 --> 01:19:59,600 >> here. 1917 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,480 >> Miss Sparrow 1918 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:00,880 >> here. 1919 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:01,760 >> Mr. Whan 1920 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:02,080 >> here. 1921 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:02,880 >> Mr. Wood 1922 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:03,280 >> here. 1923 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:04,320 >> Mr. Zilla 1924 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,040 >> here. 1925 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:11,590 >> Mr. Sinai not here. 1926 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,920 » Mr. Woodard, we have a farm and I failed 1927 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,400 to mention that Mr. Timberly asked to be 1928 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,080 excused this evening. 1929 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,920 >> Thank you. 1930 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,000 All right. And moving on to the approval 1931 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,120 of the minutes. I'm going to make a 1932 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,239 motion to approve the minutes of a 1933 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:25,360 special meeting of the board of 1934 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,920 commissioners held July 8th, 2026 and 1935 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,600 stated meetings of the board of 1936 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,400 commissioners held on July 15, 2026 and 1937 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,719 August 3rd, 2026 as distributed. Do I 1938 01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:35,199 have a second? 1939 01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:36,000 >> You do. 1940 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,910 >> Thank you, Commissioner Burnernheim. 1941 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,120 » Oh, I'm sorry. All those in favor? 1942 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,320 >> Um, all those in favor? 1943 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,760 >> Any obstens or opposition? Absentions. 1944 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,440 >> Sorry. Spur of the moment there for a 1945 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:54,000 second. You're good, Madam Secretary. 1946 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,910 That passes unanimously. 1947 01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,679 The board met in executive session 1948 01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:00,960 earlier this evening regarding the 1949 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,760 following matters: union negotiations, 1950 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,080 potential property acquisition, Amtrak 1951 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,000 real estate. 1952 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,080 The cleanup weekend is being held on 1953 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,000 Saturday, October 3rd, and Sunday, 1954 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,480 October 4th, 2026 from 9:00 a.m. until 1955 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,640 400 p.m. each day at the township's 1956 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,800 public works complex. The agenda 1957 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,960 incorrectly indicated that it was free 1958 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,560 of charge. However, residents will be 1959 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,719 charged $20 per vehicle per per entry. U 1960 01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:28,159 payment will be collected at the gate. 1961 01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,159 Proof of residency is required. 1962 01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,640 Recycling must be separated from refues. 1963 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,880 And there is no household hazardous 1964 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,600 waste will be accepted. And anything 1965 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,600 with a plug recycling event will be held 1966 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,920 on Saturday, October 10th, 2026 from 1967 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,800 9:00 a.m. until 12:00 p.m. at the Kegel 1968 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,719 Public Works Complex in Pen Valley. 1969 01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:48,400 Registration is required for that ahead 1970 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,080 of time. 1971 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,679 Lastly, McGomery County will be 1972 01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:53,600 sponsoring a household hazardous waste 1973 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,080 collection on Sunday, October 11th, 2026 1974 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,000 at the township's public works complex 1975 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,080 as well. Registration is again required 1976 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,320 for that event. 1977 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,760 This evening, we have a designation of 1978 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,520 fireweek prevention, which is October 1979 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,400 4th to the 10th um 2026. And I'll call 1980 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,639 on Commissioner Burnernheim to present 1981 01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,639 that proclamation. 1982 01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:14,960 >> It's a drop lengthy, but um it's a 1983 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,520 proclamation for fire prevention week. 1984 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,440 Every week should be fire prevention 1985 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,800 week, but this one is titled charge into 1986 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,080 fire safety. Safe charging is a 1987 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,600 superpower. 1988 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,920 Whereas the township of lower Maran is 1989 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,920 committed to ensuring the safety and 1990 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,760 security of all those living in and 1991 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,280 visiting our community. And whereas fire 1992 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,360 is a serious public safety concern both 1993 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,760 locally and nationally. And homes are 1994 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,440 the location where people are at the 1995 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:47,120 greatest risk from fire. And whereas 1996 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,199 most of the rechargeable electronics 1997 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,760 used in homes daily are powered by 1998 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,800 lithium ion batteries which if misused, 1999 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,199 damaged or improperly charged can 2000 01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:01,760 overheat, start a fire or explode. And 2001 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,239 whereas safe charging includes using the 2002 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,719 cord and charger that came with your 2003 01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,800 device or one approved by the 2004 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,159 manufacturer, charging on a hard flat 2005 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,280 surface, watching for warning signs like 2006 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,000 devices that are very hot or start to 2007 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,960 swell, unplugging when fully charged, 2008 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,800 and charging larger devices like ebikes 2009 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,159 outside and away from exits. And whereas 2010 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:31,520 the 2006 fire prevention week theme, 2011 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,560 charge into fire safety, safe charging 2012 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,280 is a superpower, serves to remind all 2013 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,239 residents that safe charging can help 2014 01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:43,120 reduce the risk of fires in homes and 2015 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,760 communities. Now therefore, be it 2016 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,520 resolved that the board of commissioners 2017 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,400 of the township below Marian does hereby 2018 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,440 proclaim October 4th through October 10, 2019 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,800 2026 as fire prevention week and urges 2020 01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,280 all residents to buy only listed 2021 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,199 products, charge devices safely, recycle 2022 01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:05,440 batteries responsibly, and to support 2023 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,440 the efforts of the township fire and 2024 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,800 emergency services dated this 23rd day 2025 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,239 of September, 2026 in Ardmore. for 2026 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:15,760 Pennsylvania. Thank you. 2027 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,679 >> Thank you, Commissioner Burnernheim. 2028 01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:18,880 This is now the section of the meeting 2029 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,880 for public privilege of the floor. This 2030 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,080 is a section of the meeting where 2031 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,440 members of the public may address the 2032 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,719 board on any non-aggenda items um or any 2033 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:28,239 other public matters in which the 2034 01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,639 township has jurisdiction or authority. 2035 01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:32,480 Uh please note that if you plan to 2036 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,159 address the board, you can line up at 2037 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,239 the podium to your left here at this 2038 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:37,920 time. State your name and where you live 2039 01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,679 prior to giving your comments and please 2040 01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:41,120 keep your comments to three minutes or 2041 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,080 less. Um we will be using a timer and 2042 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,679 when that beeps we ask that you yield 2043 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:48,080 the podium to the next person behind you 2044 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,719 um who ideally would line up in that 2045 01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:54,159 order. Um if you are talking on behalf 2046 01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,000 speaking on behalf of a group we ask 2047 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,239 that you have a a spokesperson here 2048 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,040 selected ahead of time the board and 2049 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,560 when appropriate staff will respond to 2050 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,560 comments and questions after all 2051 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,880 comments have been received. Um so if 2052 01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,880 anyone here in in the room wishes to 2053 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,120 address the board please do so using 2054 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:22,709 this podium 2055 01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:26,000 Craig Alaner Marian station tree canopy 2056 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,679 delights chapter 4 simply put the shade 2057 01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:31,600 tree division is not planting enough 2058 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,040 trees to maintain shade tree canopy 2059 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,040 leadership sites three high hurdles that 2060 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,520 prevent prevent it from doing so. 2061 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,639 Resident antipathy, a manpower shortage, 2062 01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:45,760 and a lack of capital. Previously, we've 2063 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,840 vaulted over perceived resident 2064 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,639 indifference, realizing that it was an 2065 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:53,280 illusion. What had been interpreted as 2066 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,639 dislike was actually unawareness. 2067 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:59,600 By distributing 6,300 door hangers 2068 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,440 describing the township's chade tree 2069 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,760 offerings, there's been a four-fold 2070 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,199 increase in tree request volume, proving 2071 01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:09,280 that once residents learn about the 2072 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,320 program, many do indeed desire shade 2073 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,280 trees. Last month, we recognized that 2074 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,400 the purported workforce scarcity was 2075 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,159 caused by public works own 2076 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,960 self-defeating policy prohibiting the 2077 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,360 Shade Tree Commission from tree planting 2078 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,320 and care. The solution is to copy what 2079 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,600 every other local municipality does 2080 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,239 exercise the commission's expertise, 2081 01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:36,880 energy, and time. The third hurdle is 2082 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,520 lack of capital. There's an acorn of 2083 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,679 truth to this. It's a tough nut to 2084 01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:44,080 crack. After all, money doesn't grow on 2085 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,800 trees. Management maintains that 2086 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,560 although they'd like to plant a larger 2087 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,040 number of trees, there are no resources 2088 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,679 to do so. And anyway, the budget is 2089 01:26:53,679 --> 01:27:00,159 fixed. 2090 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,320 Um about to be approved by the board. At 2091 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,360 present, Lower Mine annually plants 89 2092 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,320 thousand annually spends $89,000 to 2093 01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,520 plant 200 shade trees, a mere onetenth 2094 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,840 of 1% of the township's operating 2095 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,159 budget. There are at least four ways to 2096 01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,960 overcome claimed limited funding tactics 2097 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,239 I call brute force, smart and clever, 2098 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,600 all mixed up, and failsafe. Tonight, 2099 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,679 introductory remarks. The particulars to 2100 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:32,159 follow next month. The first is brute 2101 01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,320 force. The name derived from the 2102 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,120 mid-century brutalist architectural 2103 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,000 style. Brute force doubles down on 2104 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,960 existing policy. The second is smart and 2105 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,000 clever. The goal to do more with less 2106 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,560 inspired by famed architect M Vandereo's 2107 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,840 apherism less is more. The third all 2108 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,800 mixed up is a blend of the first two. 2109 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,040 Fourth is fail safe. As the name 2110 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,600 suggests, failsafe is guaranteed to work 2111 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,280 because it doesn't require the shade 2112 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,480 tree division change its practice. To 2113 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,800 complement the division's work, Allison 2114 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,440 and I would extend an unrestricted grant 2115 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,520 of $35,000 2116 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:16,080 to plant as many as 350 extra trees. 2117 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,320 Although there are no stipulations, we 2118 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,800 will have suggestions to best advantage 2119 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,920 tree canopy at the lowest cost. That 2120 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,600 along with detail on the other three 2121 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:37,350 approaches occurs next month. 2122 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,639 Isabelle Melvin Winwood. 2123 01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,320 I'm so grateful to the Lower Marian 2124 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,000 Township Board of Commissioners 2125 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,080 for the clean air, peace, and quiet I 2126 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,239 experienced this June to September. 2127 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:53,510 Thank you. 2128 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,760 Based on the number of complaints and 2129 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,159 the requests to add more staff, it's a 2130 01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,840 good sign that folks want clean air and 2131 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,560 peaceful quality of life in Lower Marian 2132 01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,400 Township. 2133 01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:07,920 So, I'm so happy to hear there's 2134 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,520 discussion about investing in this 2135 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,280 ordinance. 2136 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,320 I have faith I have faith that Chris 2137 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,880 Lewing and his staff will find the best 2138 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,920 use of taxpayer money to enforce the 2139 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,400 leaf blower ordinance. 2140 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,400 But word on the street is we can do 2141 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,560 better. 2142 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,239 Neighbors are on the front line of 2143 01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:30,000 enforcement. 2144 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,840 When they call to report someone 2145 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,520 breaking the law, they should be able to 2146 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,480 trust that it will be dealt with by the 2147 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,239 township accordingly. 2148 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,480 So, we I have some and I've talked to 2149 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,320 other people about this. I'm a member of 2150 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,560 Quiet Clean Lower Marian. So, we have 2151 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,639 some suggestions. 2152 01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,960 All landscapers who do business in our 2153 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,040 township should be registered with Lower 2154 01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,679 Marian Township. 2155 01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:58,000 And no requirement to testify in court 2156 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,320 in order to report a violation. As uh 2157 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,800 Commissioner Magcguire said, it starts 2158 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,520 quibbling against neighbors. let the 2159 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,520 person who reported the violation feel 2160 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,159 supported by our township 2161 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:13,120 and the app should be much more user 2162 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,880 friendly. 2163 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,199 Thanks again commissioners for being 2164 01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:18,960 leaders in our commonwealth of 2165 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,920 Pennsylvania and protecting the 60,000 2166 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,040 residents of lower Maran Township. And 2167 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,840 thank you to Chris Lewing and team. I 2168 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,080 have faith that you will improve on 2169 01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,040 efficiently and effectively enforcing 2170 01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:43,590 this ordinance. Thank you. 2171 01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:44,960 » Is there anyone else for public 2172 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:51,350 privilege before? 2173 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,040 » Good evening. Uh my name is Michael 2174 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,320 Bonafra. Um I currently live in Htown. 2175 01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,320 Um but a longtime law resident. Uh grew 2176 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:04,159 up went to school here. I'm uh actually 2177 01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:07,199 on the other end of the leaf blower uh 2178 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:09,199 situation because I'm a local business 2179 01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:12,960 owner with a gutter cleaning power 2180 01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,199 washing business. And 2181 01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:22,320 over the last six months or so when the 2182 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:28,080 leaf blower ban was passed, um 2183 01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,560 I kind of did my homework on it. I just 2184 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,400 didn't want to compl like complain about 2185 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,719 it without looking into it. Um, I'm all 2186 01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:41,280 for, you know, quiet and better air, but 2187 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,320 also I don't feel like the technology is 2188 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,239 there as a business owner that needs to 2189 01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:52,080 use certain equipment. Um, 2190 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,800 you know, I've talked to 2191 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,480 different landscapers. I've talked to 2192 01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,400 different salesmen that sell these bl 2193 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:02,480 these battery operated blowers and 2194 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,080 they're just not strong enough for what 2195 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,360 we're trying to do or trying to 2196 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,520 accomplish especially in fall and winter 2197 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,679 season when we're kind of fight when 2198 01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:13,199 we're all fighting against the weather 2199 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,080 trying to get everything done. Um, you 2200 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,080 know, we lived in down south where it 2201 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,440 was weather was more consistent being 2202 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,520 warmer, I think it'd be a little bit 2203 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,360 easier to accept, but when you're 2204 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,960 fighting cold weather, um, and you need, 2205 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,719 you know, power behind that blower to 2206 01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:33,360 try to accomplish what you're doing. And 2207 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,800 then as far as a time frame trying to, 2208 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,280 you know, I mean, my business is 2209 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,679 repeat business, a lot of repeat 2210 01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:44,960 business. 2211 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,360 and 2212 01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,920 trying to get a lot done in as quickly 2213 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,199 as possible, especially come, you know, 2214 01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:56,880 winter months. Um, to make and that's 2215 01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,639 how we make our living. Uh, I feel like 2216 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:04,320 with a weaker blower, 2217 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,719 it's just going to cause us uh 2218 01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:11,440 more 2219 01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,080 it's going to take longer to do things. 2220 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,719 Um, because it's the power is not there 2221 01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:22,159 for us with the blower. Uh so I wanted 2222 01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:25,600 to just express my frustration 2223 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,639 um about the situation 2224 01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:31,679 also with the blowers. Uh 2225 01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,679 you know I don't mind paying for the 2226 01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:36,400 blower but it's more the batteries and 2227 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,760 from the people that are selling the 2228 01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,440 batteries they kind of tell they tell 2229 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,520 you that it can only be charged a 100 2230 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,600 times and then you got to purchase a new 2231 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,560 one. Um for a small business that's a 2232 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:52,639 lot to take on. So, um, I just wanted to 2233 01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:54,880 do what I could to express, uh, how I 2234 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,800 felt and, uh, hopefully it'll be changed 2235 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,880 or there can be some type of agreement. 2236 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,480 Thank you. 2237 01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:05,600 >> Thank you. 2238 01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:10,550 >> Did you 2239 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,000 hi, I'm Nancy Winkler from W 12. 2240 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,870 Thank you. Oh. 2241 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,400 I'll wait. You tell me when to go. 2242 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,920 >> Take your free time. 2243 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,320 >> Okay. Thanks a lot for all the work that 2244 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,360 you have invested as policymakers in 2245 01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,520 listening to the science, listening to 2246 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,080 the impacted residents, and to crafting 2247 01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,320 and adopting an ordinance to phase out 2248 01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,960 gas-powered leaf blowers. Thank you to 2249 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,400 the staff for the countless hours you 2250 01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,400 have invested over several years 2251 01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,080 preparing and implementing the 2252 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,239 ordinance, creating and running 2253 01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:52,880 trainings for landscapers and creating 2254 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,400 public information outreach initiatives 2255 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,199 to landscapers, public uh building 2256 01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,480 owners and residents and and uh thank 2257 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:05,199 you for the many hours this first summer 2258 01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:07,520 of uh doing the enforcement at the early 2259 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,560 stage. Many people contacted me this 2260 01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,960 summer about the ban implementation, and 2261 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,760 here's what I've heard from them. One, 2262 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,000 it has been quieter and cleaner in 2263 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,320 various neighborhoods. Even though not 2264 01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,400 all landscapers have complied, most 2265 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,239 have, and it has made a positive 2266 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:27,440 difference to the quality of life. Two, 2267 01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:28,880 we don't want to report on our 2268 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,960 neighbors, but we will because 2269 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,520 compliance is important. The fact that 2270 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,000 you have over 400 reported violations 2271 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,760 shows how much the residents of this 2272 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,320 community want the ban and want it to be 2273 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,360 enforced. Our tax dollars will be well 2274 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,880 spent. Three people have commented that 2275 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,719 they are happy that their small mom and 2276 01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:51,040 pop landscapers businesses have 2277 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,760 complied, but they are irritated that 2278 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,679 some of the bigger companies are getting 2279 01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:57,760 away with flouting the law and lobbying 2280 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,760 to reverse it. 2281 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,800 Change can be bumpy and lower Marian is 2282 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,360 experiencing some growing pains. I'm not 2283 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,440 surprised at all by resistance from some 2284 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,920 quarters, but please, given the hours 2285 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,239 and hours of public dialogue and years 2286 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,639 really on this topic and the investment 2287 01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:17,840 the township has already made, do not 2288 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,400 back down. This ordinance is improving 2289 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,159 residents quality of life. It is 2290 01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:24,719 improving our environment, our health, 2291 01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:27,440 and the health of township staff and 2292 01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,639 private landscape workers. I remember 2293 01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:32,639 when smoking was first banned in public 2294 01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:35,440 places. People were furious. Smoking 2295 01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,520 bans were infringing on their way of 2296 01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,400 life. Economic disaster was predicted. 2297 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,080 Restaurants and bars would go bankrupt 2298 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,920 because their patrons would no longer 2299 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,960 come. Ha. Can you imagine rescending 2300 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:50,480 that smoking bans now? Just as we have 2301 01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,159 been freed from having to breathe and 2302 01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,400 smell secondhand smoke from cigarettes, 2303 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,239 lower Marian residents are going to be 2304 01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:58,560 free of the many harms of gas powered 2305 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,520 leaf blowers. In my neighborhood, which 2306 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,560 was reszoned to LDR4, we are beset by 2307 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,400 constant construction of superersized 2308 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,199 houses on small lots and we are losing 2309 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,679 our tree canopy in an alarming level and 2310 01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:14,239 the bird song that we used to have. So, 2311 01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:16,480 I am doubly grateful for a township 2312 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:19,440 policy that has a positive impact on our 2313 01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,679 neighborhood. Please support the request 2314 01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:23,679 for enforcement funding. Thank you for 2315 01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:28,950 considering my comments. 2316 01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,239 » Anyone else like to take advantage of 2317 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,440 public privilege of the floor? 2318 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,679 >> Seeing none, close. No one's online, 2319 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:37,360 right? Okay. All right. So, we'll go 2320 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,040 ahead and close that out. Um, does any 2321 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,880 board member wish to respond to any of 2322 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,600 the comments? 2323 01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,040 Commissioner uh Courtney, 2324 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,480 >> I'll take I'll take a quick 30 seconds 2325 01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:50,000 only floors. Uh thank you for gratitude 2326 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,719 and the feedback. Uh we will take that 2327 01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:54,639 into the sustainability committee. We'll 2328 01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:58,239 work with Paloma on how we can improve 2329 01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:01,440 before the next uh cycle of the of the 2330 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,239 prohibition and see if that should be a 2331 01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,239 priority for the coming year. As far as 2332 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:07,920 the technology not being there, I think 2333 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:09,280 we've seen that that's not the case. 2334 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,760 There are many landscapers 2335 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,280 and other companies that were able to 2336 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,119 survive this summer, do well this 2337 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,440 summer, perform all their tasks with 2338 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:20,960 equipment that was purchased on the 2339 01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,360 market. Thank you, 2340 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,239 >> Mr. Bird. 2341 01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:25,760 >> Point counterpoint. 2342 01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:26,960 >> I should have gone second. 2343 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:27,840 >> Yeah. 2344 01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,360 >> Well, I think you did last time, so now 2345 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,560 we're even. Um look the one of the 2346 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,159 things that we stated when the ordinance 2347 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:36,080 was passed is that we would have a 2348 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,400 learning curve and we would you know 2349 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,000 take in information as to how it was 2350 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,920 impacting residents, how it was 2351 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,360 impacting landscapers and al like and to 2352 01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,119 the degree that we need to make any 2353 01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:50,960 adjustments be it in the enforcement 2354 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,320 aspect of it or in in dealing with the 2355 01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,520 difficulties that some of the 2356 01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,080 landscapers have have expressed and I've 2357 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:02,159 heard similar comments to that which we we've heard this evening that we 2358 01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:04,480 stated that we would look at this, you 2359 01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:07,280 know, open eyed as to what if any 2360 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,920 changes that that need to be made as we 2361 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,320 go forward. The ordinance isn't going to 2362 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,560 go away. That whether I agree with it or 2363 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,520 not, I recognize. Um, but what we can do 2364 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,480 to improve upon it is something that is 2365 01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:23,440 incumbent upon this board to take in all 2366 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:26,159 the information and uh try to see that 2367 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,000 we do something that that's fair and 2368 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,880 recognize everybody as as best that we 2369 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,520 can. Um, I'll leave it at that because 2370 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,920 there are many still tentacles to be 2371 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,520 discussed I think at a later time. Thank 2372 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,520 you. 2373 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,480 >> Uh, Commissioner Zel. 2374 01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,960 >> So tonight we heard from Mr. Bafra who 2375 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:48,480 is a small, not large, a small 2376 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:50,639 contractor. He told us he cleans 2377 01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:54,400 gutters. He doesn't cut grass. 2378 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,000 He does power washing and gutter 2379 01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,800 cleaning. So large large contractors 2380 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:00,880 have been here to complain as well as 2381 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,639 small contractors have been here to 2382 01:40:02,639 --> 01:40:05,760 complain. I don't think we talked about 2383 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,760 cleaning gutters, but we know that 2384 01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,280 cleaning gutters is a necessary 2385 01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,719 function. Um, we know that right now 2386 01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:15,040 we're in a seasonal ban, but the year- 2387 01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,600 round ban is what is going to be most 2388 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,880 difficult coming up. And we we are in 2389 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,040 public comment almost every month. We 2390 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,960 hear that the technology is not there 2391 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,440 from those who are using it. So, some 2392 01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:33,199 are successful at it and others aren't. 2393 01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:36,800 I think it is far from a resolved issue 2394 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:42,070 in terms of enforcement. 2395 01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:45,679 We have um challenges in enforcing our 2396 01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:48,320 building code, our property code. We 2397 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,719 have challenges enforcing police 2398 01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:52,719 citations. 2399 01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:54,800 We have a judicial system, a local 2400 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,600 judicial system that is simply not 2401 01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,600 working. 2402 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,440 We talked about it two weeks ago. I'm 2403 01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,760 going to mention it again because our 2404 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,760 building department said that the 2405 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,600 average is 250 days from a township 2406 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,760 complaint to a hearing before a district 2407 01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,400 justice. That's a system that's broken 2408 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,800 and not working. So, we can hire lots 2409 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,960 more people in the township, but that's 2410 01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,199 not going to solve the problem. And 2411 01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,600 everybody who receives a citation of any 2412 01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:27,600 kind has the right to challenge it if 2413 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,480 they think that it's not appropriate. 2414 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:32,560 it's it's it wasn't issued properly or 2415 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:36,400 they're uh you know uh Dan and Mike can 2416 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,800 explain that much uh more effectively 2417 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,560 than I can but everybody has the right 2418 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,199 to defend themselves 2419 01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:45,920 but getting a hearing so they can do 2420 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,320 that and having it judicially processed 2421 01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,119 either their their uh the violation is 2422 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:54,400 upheld or or uh or not is part of the 2423 01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,560 process. And so that's something that 2424 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,520 everybody in this room needs to be um 2425 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,360 fig helping to be aware of so that 2426 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,040 this issue can be addressed. So um it's 2427 01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,280 not as simple as more hiring by the 2428 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,040 township. Thank you. 2429 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:12,639 >> Commissioners, any other comments from 2430 01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:15,440 the board? 2431 01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:18,400 >> It's not back and forth. I'm sorry. Um I 2432 01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,159 do have a quick question just about the cath trees for our township manager. 2433 01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,000 Sorry to put you on the spot here. If if 2434 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,719 our requests exceed the 200 that we 2435 01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,800 typically approve every year, what's the 2436 01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,600 process to then get those trees planted? 2437 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,119 Do they end up on the queue for the 2438 01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:36,000 following year or how does that 200 2439 01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:36,560 mark? 2440 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,080 >> I can't hear you. 2441 01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:42,159 >> How does the 200 um mark work for the 2442 01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:44,320 trees being planted? 2443 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,320 So we have a budget which you allocate 2444 01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:49,520 every year and depends on how the 2445 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,760 pricing comes in when we bid the tree 2446 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,480 planting just as we have just done. 2447 01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:57,920 While we issue a contract for 200 trees 2448 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,400 that have been subscribed by residents 2449 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,880 uh if the bids come in lower as they 2450 01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,280 have this year we have some extra money 2451 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,440 that we can go back and change order the 2452 01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:10,400 contract and add some additional trees. 2453 01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,320 We are always of course working within 2454 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,040 the realm of the budget that you have 2455 01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:18,159 allocated for that given year. 2456 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:20,719 Thank you. Any other comments from the 2457 01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:22,480 board? 2458 01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,000 >> Okay, so that'll close public privilege 2459 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,080 and we will move on to public comment. 2460 01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,440 Uh this is the section of our meeting 2461 01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,040 where members of the public may address 2462 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,320 the board on any agenda items. Um 2463 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,320 comments on all agenda items except the 2464 01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,080 ballot village amendments ordinance 2465 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,159 should be made now. Um that will come 2466 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:40,960 later. Uh all the same rules still apply 2467 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,040 but we are now focused on agenda items 2468 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,600 specifically. So if anyone from anyone 2469 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,040 in the room wants to give public 2470 01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:51,910 comments please come to the podium. 2471 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:55,350 » No extra 2472 01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,920 mar station. This evening the board will 2473 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:01,600 consider awarding an $88,000 contract to 2474 01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,639 remove 35 dead or diseased shade trees 2475 01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:08,000 from public's rights away. That's $2,500 2476 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,960 per tree. Expensive but necessary for 2477 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,679 the trees are hazardous. In addition to 2478 01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:16,719 the 35 contracted tree removals, the 2479 01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:19,520 shade tree division itself is taking 2480 01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,560 down roughly 300 other trees, including 2481 01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:26,960 the 134 lost in the July micro burst 2482 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:31,360 event. Those 300 extra removals don't 2483 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,239 show up as a as a separate line item, 2484 01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,800 but there are costs nonetheless. 2485 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,600 Personnel, training, equipment, and 2486 01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,159 insurance, for example. Tonight, the 2487 01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:45,920 board will also consider an an $89,000 2488 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,400 contract to plant 200 trees, $450 per 2489 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,800 tree, so 2500 to remove,450 2490 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,679 to plant. The result is that Lower 2491 01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:00,800 Murray is spending tens if not hundreds 2492 01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,280 of thousands of dollars more to do away 2493 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,480 with jade trees than to add them. The 2494 01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:08,639 problem is not that removal expenditures 2495 01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:11,679 are so high. It's that public works is 2496 01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:15,040 spending so little on planting. And if 2497 01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,920 money truly is a limiting factor, the 2498 01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,480 smart and clever approach I referenced 2499 01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:23,440 earlier results in more trees at a lower 2500 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:27,520 cost. or just take the 35,000 and run 2501 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,800 with it. Township code states that at a 2502 01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,880 minimum shade tree planting number 2503 01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,199 should equal that of removals. That's 2504 01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:38,000 not occurring this year, counting the 2505 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,679 134 trees lost during the micro burst. 2506 01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:44,400 The shade tree division is more than 100 2507 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,199 short. One of Lower Murray's defining 2508 01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:50,159 characteristics is its tree line is its 2509 01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:54,000 uh treeline streets. 2510 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,960 Township uh township residents have long 2511 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,440 made their wishes clear. In multiple 2512 01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,920 surveys, they've said they want the 2513 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,480 township to plant more trees. There's 2514 01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:08,080 further evidence. Two dozen passionate 2515 01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,719 community activists have delivered 2516 01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:13,280 6,300formational 2517 01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,480 door hangers. The result that shade tree 2518 01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:19,840 request volume is four-fold higher this 2519 01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,560 year than last. Hundreds more property 2520 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,600 owners have applied for a shade tree. 2521 01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,800 The board itself has made tree canopy at 2522 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,920 2026 priority and yet the number of 2523 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:36,480 shade tree plantings has flatlined. 2524 01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:38,639 As a result, shade tree cover is 2525 01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:40,159 declining. 2526 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:43,760 The the decision not to maintain canopy 2527 01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,880 is flawed. It's wrong economically, 2528 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,040 aesthetically, socially, and 2529 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:50,639 environmentally. 2530 01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:58,229 My question is why? 2531 01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,000 » Anyone else in the room wish to make 2532 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,239 public comment? 2533 01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:03,760 All right, we'll close that out. Uh, 2534 01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,760 does any board member wish to respend 2535 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,830 respond to any of the comments? 2536 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,080 All right. Uh we are now moving on to 2537 01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,400 section eight of tonight's meeting uh to 2538 01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,400 the consent calendar. I first want to 2539 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,159 ask if anyone wishes to remove an item 2540 01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:20,800 from consent. 2541 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,800 Seeing none, uh I'll make the motion for 2542 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,560 approval of the consent calendar as 2543 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,560 presented 2544 01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,400 and including items from the billing and 2545 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:29,520 planning committee, finance committee, 2546 01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:30,960 and police committee meetings held 2547 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,639 earlier this evening. Uh Madam 2548 01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:34,320 Secretary, I believe this requires a 2549 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:35,600 roll call vote 2550 01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,119 >> for the adoption of the consent 2551 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:39,520 calendar. Oh, I'm sorry. I I do need a 2552 01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,280 second. Commissioner Whan, 2553 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,960 thank you. Um, Madam Secretary, sorry. 2554 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,320 >> For the adoption of the consent 2555 01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,119 calendar, Mr. Bernard. 2556 01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:52,480 >> Oh, did he step out? 2557 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:53,040 >> Stepped out. 2558 01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:54,239 >> Uh, Mr. Courtney. 2559 01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:54,960 >> Yes. 2560 01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,159 >> Mr. Daly. 2561 01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:56,960 >> Hi. 2562 01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:57,920 >> Miss Epste. 2563 01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:58,719 >> Yes. 2564 01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:00,800 >> Mr. Gregory. Oh, he stepped out, too. 2565 01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:01,600 Sorry. 2566 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,119 >> Miss Kramer. 2567 01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:04,000 >> Yes. 2568 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:04,880 >> Miss Magguire. 2569 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:05,360 >> Hi, 2570 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:06,800 >> Dr. Rosman. I 2571 01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:07,920 >> Miss Sparrow. 2572 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:08,480 >> I 2573 01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:09,440 >> Mr. Whan. 2574 01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:09,840 >> Yes, 2575 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:10,639 >> Mr. Woodri. 2576 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:10,960 >> I 2577 01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,400 >> Mr. Zella. 2578 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:12,719 >> I. 2579 01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:14,960 >> The consent calendar is duly adopted. 2580 01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:16,880 >> Right. Thank you, Madam Secretary. Uh we 2581 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,600 are now moving on to section 13 of 2582 01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,440 tonight's meeting. Uh and you'll find 2583 01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:24,480 that in page 20 in your packet. So, we 2584 01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,080 will open up the public hearing an 2585 01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,960 adoption of an ordinance chapter 155 2586 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:35,830 zoning Bal Village amendments Z-26-001. 2587 01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,560 Um, bear with me for a second. 2588 01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,280 So this ordinance uh is to amend the 2589 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:42,880 code of the township of lower Marian 2590 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,520 chapter 155 entitled zoning article 2 2591 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,880 definitions section 155-2.1 2592 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,480 definitions of terms to delete the 2593 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,560 definition for place of assembly and 2594 01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,320 also create new definitions for 2595 01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,320 commercial event and entertainment 2596 01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,320 venue. Amend table 5.1 uses to provide 2597 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:03,760 for religious as a special exception 2598 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:08,480 institutional use within the CD district 2599 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:11,360 to amend 5.1 uses to delete any 2600 01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:13,280 reference to place of assembly and also 2601 01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,520 permit both commercial event center and 2602 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,840 entertainment venue as permitted 2603 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:21,199 commercial uses in the um I'll just use 2604 01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:24,719 the abbreviations VCTCI 2605 01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:30,719 RHR BMV limited to one three four in 2606 01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:34,480 CAD-BV districts. Also to amend table 2607 01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,560 8.1 minimum parking requirements to 2608 01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:37,840 delete any reference to place of 2609 01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:39,600 assembly and any corresponding parking 2610 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:43,520 regulations. to also amend table 5.3 use 2611 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,600 regulations to provide for religious as 2612 01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,360 an institutional use permitted by 2613 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,719 special exception in the CAD-BV district 2614 01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:53,199 along Ballot Avenue between city a and 2615 01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:56,159 Kimwood road subject to certain specific 2616 01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:59,600 criteria provided herein also amend 2617 01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,960 table 5.3 use regulations to allow 2618 01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,960 residential uses on the ground floor of 2619 01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,960 buildings facing Bella Avenue except 2620 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:08,639 between Montgomery Avenue and Union 2621 01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:10,960 Avenue. This ordinance was authorized 2622 01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,119 for advertisement at a stated meeting of 2623 01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:15,440 the board of commissioners held July 15, 2624 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:18,880 2026 and duly advertised in September 6 2625 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,520 and September 13, 2026 editions of the 2626 01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,840 mainline times and suburban. So we will 2627 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:27,600 now open for public hearing. 2628 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,360 Anyone in the room wishes to make 2629 01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,080 comments? Chris, do you want to 2630 01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,990 >> addition 2631 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,440 at the building committee in July? It 2632 01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:41,199 went through a pretty extensive uh 2633 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:44,159 public um discussion at the neighborhood 2634 01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:46,800 club. Um so I think people are mostly 2635 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,000 familiar with it, but if there's any 2636 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,760 details, I'm happy to provide them. 2637 01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,600 Okay. 2638 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:52,960 >> So we'll go ahead and open the public 2639 01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,360 hearing if there's anyone in the room 2640 01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:58,320 seeing none for for for comment. Um, do 2641 01:50:58,320 --> 01:50:59,920 any commissioners have any comments or 2642 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:03,360 questions for Chris? 2643 01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:04,719 >> Commissioner, uh, I'm sorry, Dr. 2644 01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:05,360 Rossman. 2645 01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,440 >> I support this holy going forward. Uh, 2646 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:10,880 this isn't my award and it's, uh, going 2647 01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,679 to benefit the retail space 2648 01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:19,280 by, uh, this ordinance. Thank you. 2649 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:20,639 >> With no uh, public comment, we'll go 2650 01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:24,390 ahead and close the hearing. 2651 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,280 » So, I noticed that I am out of order. um 2652 01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,880 on the agenda. So, we'll have a motion 2653 01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:30,719 to adopt and then we'll go around for 2654 01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:32,400 commissioner comments. Sorry about that. 2655 01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,239 So, I'll make a a motion to adopt 2656 01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,639 ordinance number 4341. 2657 01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:40,229 Do I have a second? 2658 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:44,159 » Dr. Rossman. Thank you. Um so, now does 2659 01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:45,840 the board have any questions or comments 2660 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,800 for staff? Commissioner Daly, 2661 01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:52,400 >> I do. Thank you. So, um it's late and 2662 01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,000 we've talked about this before, but 2663 01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,639 refresh my memory, Chris. This is the 2664 01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,639 proposed ordinance change that would do 2665 01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:03,040 away with in our code place of assembly. 2666 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,400 Correct. 2667 01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,199 >> Correct. So the right the ordinance does 2668 01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:09,679 currently in the code 2669 01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,280 we have a definition called place of 2670 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:12,960 assembly that captures things like movie 2671 01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:16,239 theaters and and larger venues. Uh that 2672 01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,800 could potentially be interpreted as also 2673 01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,280 allowing non-commercial. It was intended 2674 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,920 to really provide for commercial spaces. 2675 01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,080 What by doing this now is we're pulling 2676 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,400 that definition out of the zoning code 2677 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,119 and replacing it with two new terms. One 2678 01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:32,480 commercial event center and 2679 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,800 entertainment venue which are clearly 2680 01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,119 commercial in their orientation and 2681 01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:38,800 putting that back in. And that's really 2682 01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,800 the purpose of that. And also with this 2683 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:42,639 as it went through the process, one of 2684 01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:44,719 the things that we did was we removed 2685 01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:47,280 entertain those those specific uses from 2686 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:48,719 the neighborhood commercial district 2687 01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:50,080 which is the smallest of our commercial 2688 01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:50,960 districts. 2689 01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,199 >> Okay. Thank you. So, I the problem I 2690 01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:54,800 have with this is the same problem I had 2691 01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,800 a couple of months ago, which is if I'm 2692 01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,360 reading it correctly, and tell me if I'm 2693 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,320 not, there's going to be no place left 2694 01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:06,159 in our zoning code for non-commercial, 2695 01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:09,280 non-recreational places of assembly. So, 2696 01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:11,040 a VFW, 2697 01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,520 an American Legion, uh I mean, I can 2698 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,080 think of like a dozen organizations that 2699 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,440 fall in that bucket of non-commercial, 2700 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,520 non-denominational 2701 01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,199 places of assembly and we're going to 2702 01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:26,320 completely do away with where they exist 2703 01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,080 in our zoning code. 2704 01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,840 >> I don't know how we can actually 2705 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,840 provided for in the zoning code. Those 2706 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,440 uses we are zoned uh institutional 2707 01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:37,920 civic. So your clubs like your BFW, 2708 01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,400 those kind of non-commercial 2709 01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:45,679 club type operations are zoned civic. 2710 01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:47,360 And in many of those uses suppose you 2711 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,360 have a fire hall just in a small area. 2712 01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:51,520 You think about small town things that 2713 01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,199 we do, people gather, you need meeting 2714 01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,520 space. Many of those are accessory uses, 2715 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,480 right? So if a if a fireh hall um say in 2716 01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:01,040 Bal Kinwood, the the Union fire hall 2717 01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,719 used to go in there, they open it up to 2718 01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:04,239 the community, that's an accessory use 2719 01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:06,000 that's used by the community for that. 2720 01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,239 So it's not doesn't necessarily need its 2721 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:11,199 own distinct use to be called there. 2722 01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:12,960 It's part of a larger those facilities 2723 01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,639 are part of just a larger community 2724 01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,239 facility that people allow you to gather 2725 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:19,040 in as a part of the community. So 2726 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,159 >> there would be no change for that. 2727 01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:21,760 That's that's existing within the code 2728 01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,800 today. 2729 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,800 >> So that's new information for me. So I I 2730 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,880 apologize, but what is the definition of 2731 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,400 institutional civic? Like 2732 01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:29,840 >> I'm I apologize. I'm having a hard time 2733 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:30,719 hearing you all the way over here. 2734 01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:32,239 >> Yeah, I'm I'm losing my voice. The 2735 01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:34,960 definition of an institutional civic 2736 01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,280 use, how is that defined? I I don't have 2737 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:38,800 that one committed to memory. 2738 01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,760 >> So our institutional civics, 2739 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,840 our institutional districts are zoned 2740 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,320 that you would have um schools which are 2741 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,159 institutional educational. We have 2742 01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:49,840 institutional health which are kind of 2743 01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,800 your nursing facilities continuing care 2744 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,119 and then we have this other catchment 2745 01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:57,280 which is civic which is kind of a 2746 01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:00,239 catchment for those that those uses that 2747 01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:02,400 are the fabric of our community our 2748 01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:07,040 churches our synagogues our really our 2749 01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,639 places of assembly those are those 2750 01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:11,119 non-commercial um uses that you've 2751 01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:12,880 described but they could be variety of 2752 01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,239 scales you can have everything from a 2753 01:55:14,239 --> 01:55:15,920 club size of the Marian cricket club 2754 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,000 which is a very large club down to a 2755 01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,320 small B, you know, VFW that's a 2756 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:21,760 storefront that used to exist over here 2757 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,840 in Ardmore. All of those can be 2758 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:29,360 considered within that. It's it's a very broad distinct um category 2759 01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,760 that allows a multitude of these kind of 2760 01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,360 civic type uses. 2761 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:35,520 >> And where are those allowed currently? 2762 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,280 Is that townshipwide or 2763 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:38,719 >> they're township wide and it's they're 2764 01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:41,840 on the zoning map. So if if you if we 2765 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,760 had a zoning map, we could um we could 2766 01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,239 um bring it up. But essentially, if you 2767 01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:50,560 had a club before we did the zoning, we 2768 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,719 zoned you as institutional civic and 2769 01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:54,639 it's specific requirements for parking 2770 01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:56,480 and for setbacks and for some of those 2771 01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,880 other elements of it. It's not really a 2772 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,239 commercial use and it's not a 2773 01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:02,000 residential use. It's this civic and 2774 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,360 that's kind of our catchment for all. 2775 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,040 >> What about not pre-existing clubs? a new 2776 01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,040 club forms, 2777 01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:10,719 >> a new club. 2778 01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:12,400 >> Um, one thing that we've done with our 2779 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:13,679 institutions is 2780 01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:16,800 >> we didn't really speculatively zone 2781 01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,440 areas for institutional uses very in 2782 01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:20,960 only a few places. So, our our new 2783 01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:22,880 zoning code pretty much codified 2784 01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,639 everything that was on the ground. So, 2785 01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:26,400 if it if an institution was on the 2786 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:28,000 ground, it's really those kind of 2787 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,920 borders of that institution became the 2788 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,719 boundaries of that district. 2789 01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:34,800 So a new one could certainly be 2790 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,880 introduced and it would just need a 2791 01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,840 zoning change to do that. Stonley went 2792 01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,560 through that, right? This board about a 2793 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,560 year ago, Stonley came in, acquired some 2794 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,119 additional property. Stonley is zoned 2795 01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:48,800 institutional. 2796 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,800 It acquired a residential property next 2797 01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,920 to it. They were merged together and 2798 01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:55,840 then the boundaries were changed to 2799 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,360 allow that all to become part of 2800 01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:01,350 Stoneley. 2801 01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,760 Okay, thank you. 2802 01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:04,800 >> Chris, I just have a quick question 2803 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:06,400 because uh based off that question, my 2804 01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:07,520 wheels are kind of spinning a little 2805 01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:12,000 bit. Does this have any effect on um 2806 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,199 early education school that is hosted in 2807 01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:17,040 a church by chance or a place of 2808 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:17,440 worship? 2809 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,280 >> That does completely use nothing to do 2810 01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:19,679 with that, 2811 01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:22,239 >> right? Okay. Just just double checking. 2812 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:25,920 >> Um anyone else from the board wish to 2813 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,800 comment questions? 2814 01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,320 All right. I'm seeing none. Madam 2815 01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,320 Secretary, this is a roll call vote 2816 01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,199 >> for the adoption of ordinance 4341. 2817 01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:36,159 Mr. Burma, 2818 01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:36,560 >> I. 2819 01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:37,440 >> Mr. Courtney, 2820 01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:37,920 >> yes. 2821 01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:38,800 >> Mr. Taylor, 2822 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,639 >> no. 2823 01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:41,520 >> Miss Epste, 2824 01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:42,000 >> yes. 2825 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:42,960 >> Mr. Gregory, 2826 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,159 >> no. 2827 01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:45,840 >> Miss Kramer, 2828 01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,040 >> yes. 2829 01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:48,000 >> Miss McGuire, 2830 01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:48,400 >> hi. 2831 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:49,360 >> Dr. Rossmith, 2832 01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:49,760 >> hi. 2833 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:50,560 >> Miss Sparrow, 2834 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:50,960 >> yes. 2835 01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,000 >> Mr. Whan, 2836 01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:52,400 >> yes. 2837 01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:53,199 >> Mr. Woodri, 2838 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:53,599 >> hi. 2839 01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:55,199 >> Mr. Zella, 2840 01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:55,920 >> I 2841 01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,239 >> Thank you. The ordinance is dy adopted. 2842 01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:00,960 >> Thank you. Um, moving on to the adoption 2843 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,400 of ordinance chapter 107, official map 2844 01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,239 vacation of a portion of Morris Road, 2845 01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:08,239 Windwood. And you'll find this on page 2846 01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:11,199 26 in your packets. 2847 01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:12,960 So this is an ordinance to amend the 2848 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,880 official map of streets of the township 2849 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,760 of lower Marian adopt pursuant to the 2850 01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:19,360 provisions of the code of the township 2851 01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,000 of lower Maran chapter 107 entitled 2852 01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:24,239 official map to vacate and abandon a 2853 01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:26,639 portion of a certain rightway being a 2854 01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:29,520 portion of Morris Road 50t wide from 2855 01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,440 Lancaster Avenue North to the distance 2856 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,719 of approximately 160 ft in the township 2857 01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:36,800 of lower Maran. This ordinance was 2858 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,639 authorized for advertisement as stated 2859 01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:39,760 in the meeting of the board of 2860 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,800 commissioners held on July 15, 2026 and 2861 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,880 duly advertised in the September 6th and 2862 01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:47,920 September 13, 2026 editions of the 2863 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,000 mainline times and suburban. We'll start 2864 01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,760 with a motion to adopt ordinance number 2865 01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,239 4342. Do I have a second? Uh, 2866 01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:56,480 Commissioner Whan, 2867 01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,159 there any questions from the board for 2868 01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:02,239 the staff or comments for discussion? 2869 01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:04,320 Uh, seeing none, Madam Secretary, it's a 2870 01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,320 roll call vote. the adoption of 2871 01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:08,880 ordinance 4342. Mr. Burnheim, 2872 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:09,199 >> I 2873 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:10,080 >> Mr. Courtney, 2874 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:10,480 >> yes. 2875 01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,719 >> Mr. Daly, 2876 01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:13,440 >> I 2877 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:14,320 >> Miss Epstein. 2878 01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:14,639 >> Yes. 2879 01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:15,520 >> Mr. Gregory. 2880 01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:15,920 >> Hi, 2881 01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,360 >> Miss Kramer. 2882 01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:17,760 >> Yes. 2883 01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:18,639 >> Miss Magguire. 2884 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:19,040 >> Hi, 2885 01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:19,840 >> Dr. Ross. 2886 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:20,159 >> Hi, 2887 01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:20,960 >> Miss Sparrow. 2888 01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:21,280 >> Yes, 2889 01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:22,159 >> Mr. Wh. 2890 01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:22,560 >> Yes. 2891 01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:23,360 >> Mr. Woodri, 2892 01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:23,760 >> yes. 2893 01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,040 >> Mr. Zella, 2894 01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:25,440 >> I. 2895 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:27,440 >> The ordinance is dually adopted. 2896 01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:30,080 >> Right. On to our last one. Adoption of 2897 01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,239 ordinance chapter 145 vehicles and 2898 01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:33,840 traffic left turn restrictions on 2899 01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,159 McGomery Avenue from Brookway Road and 2900 01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:38,400 North Bowman Avenue which you'll find on 2901 01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:41,360 page 33 of your packets. Um, so this is 2902 01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,239 an ordinance to amend the code of the 2903 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:46,400 township of Laura Marian chapter 145 2904 01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:48,800 thereof entitled vehicles and traffic 2905 01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:53,440 article 15 schedules uh 145-106 2906 01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,679 schedule 6 intersections restricted as 2907 01:59:55,679 --> 01:59:57,840 to turns and through traffic by 2908 01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,199 restricting left-hand turns on 2909 01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,679 Montgomery Avenue from Brookway Road to 2910 02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:04,000 North Bowman Avenue. This ordinance was 2911 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,400 authorized for advertisement at a stated 2912 02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:07,679 meeting of the board of commissioners 2913 02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:10,000 held on August 3rd, 2026 and duly 2914 02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,679 advertised in September 6th and 2915 02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:14,320 September 13th, 2026 editions of the 2916 02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,320 mainline Times and Suburban. Make a 2917 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,719 motion to adopt ordinance number 4343. 2918 02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:20,480 Do I have a second? Commissioner 2919 02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:22,880 Burnernheim. Uh any questions for staff 2920 02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,840 or board comments? 2921 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,239 Nope. All right, Madam Secretary, that's 2922 02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,560 uh calls for another roll call vote 2923 02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,520 >> for the adoption of ordinance 4343. Mr. 2924 02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:34,239 Bur, 2925 02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:34,639 >> I. 2926 02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:35,440 >> Mr. Courtney, 2927 02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:35,760 >> yes. 2928 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:36,560 >> Mr. Dailyy, 2929 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:36,880 >> hi. 2930 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:37,679 >> Miss Epste, 2931 02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:38,000 >> yes. 2932 02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:38,800 >> Mr. Graham, 2933 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:39,199 >> hi. 2934 02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:40,560 >> Miss Kramer, 2935 02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:41,040 >> yes. 2936 02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:41,840 >> Miss Magguire, 2937 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:42,239 >> hi. 2938 02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:43,040 >> Dr. Ross, 2939 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:43,360 >> hi. 2940 02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:44,159 >> Miss Farah, 2941 02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:44,480 >> yes. 2942 02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:45,360 >> Mr. Whan, 2943 02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:45,679 >> yes. 2944 02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:46,480 >> Mr. Wood, 2945 02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:46,800 >> yes. 2946 02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:47,760 >> Mr. Zilla, 2947 02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:48,239 >> hi. 2948 02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:49,760 >> The ordinance is dory adopted. 2949 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,679 >> All right. Thank you, Madam Secretary. 2950 02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:53,280 Is there any unfinished business to come 2951 02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,440 before the board? 2952 02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,760 Any new business? 2953 02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:59,920 All right. With that, I uh this meeting 2954 02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:01,520 is adjourned. Thank you and have a good 2955 02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,920 night. 2956 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:34,950 All right. 2957 02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:38,040 Heat. Heat.