your worship we're good to go for 7 p.m
we're live now
i can get the remainder of council to
come on screen we can start things right
off at seven o'clock
with that welcome at seven o'clock now
so welcome everyone welcome to this the
58th session of council
on monday november the 22nd it is now 7
p.m i welcome everyone this is a virtual
meeting so i remind everyone that
even though it is a virtual meeting the
municipal conflict of interest act the
council's rules of procedures code of
conduct and other pertinent legislation
apply as if this were an in-person
meeting
as it is an in-person media virtual
meeting
if any member of council's connection to
the internet or to this meeting is lost
or disrupted
we will pause for a few minutes to allow
that member to connect and uh
if they cannot connect within a few
minutes
assuming we still have quorum we will
continue the meeting out anyways
with that as i say the meeting has been
called to order right there was no
closed session today
so we shall move into the playing of the
national anthem i will ask everyone to
turn off their screens while the clerk
prepares that
[Music]
so
[Music]
[Applause]
[Music]
welcome we acknowledge that we are being
hosted on the ancestral lands of the
haudenosaunee mississaugi and omami
winini peoples
we acknowledge and welcome the presence
of all indigenous peoples including the
metis inui and other first nations from
across this vast land who also makes
this place home
the lands we are on today are recognized
in the two row wampum ditched with one
spoon treaty treaty 27 and the crawford
purchase
once again welcome ladies and gentlemen
and
i'm just a
housekeeping item you'll note that we
have an open forum and then two public
meetings and i do note that we have
quite a few attendees this evening i'm
assuming those are for the public
meetings uh so i would remind people
that the first section is the open forum
where we invite people
to we all we set aside the first 15
minutes for the open forum and any
individual may address council to voice
an opinion on subjects of municipal
concern
excluding matters subject to the public
meeting which is the second piece
and
notices hereby provided that under the
authority of the municipal act and in
accordance with the munici ontario's
municipal freedom of information and
protection of privacy act all
information provided for or at our open
forum public meetings or other public
process are considered part of the
public record
the list township meetings are being
held virtually and anyone wishing to
speak
in this open forum
is asked to contact the township clerk
to register in advance to make those
arrangements
with that i will ask if there's anyone
in the audience who wishes to speak in
the open forum not with regard to the
items coming shortly within the public
meetings
madam clerk do we have anyone that
pre-registered
uh no i don't believe we did uh your
worship i see one hand up from uh jeanne
hudasen
i'm just not sure whether they wish to
speak up so i'll just allow or to oops
hold on here
if this whodayson wishes there she is
welcome mr jason can you hear me
welcome mr jason if you if you may be
able to hear me but you're currently
muted so we can't hear you
if you can unmute
and i see
joe and gene hudayson
might be the same family hi joe hi gene
if you can hear me and you can unmute
you are welcome to speak to the open
forum
we can see your hands
but we can't hear you at this point
and now we have joe hudson
also muted
madame clerk is there something we can
do to help them unmute
um i've asked
all i can do is ask for them to unmute
i've allowed them to speak
we appear to be having some technical
glitch i'm sure the houdaisians are
wishing to speak
but at this point we can't hear them
again i don't know if they can hear me
at this point
right
uh if they would like to email i can try
and set them up uh to see what the issue
is if they'd like to uh email info at
loyalist.ca
we can try and get them working
okay and
again i'm not sure if mr and mrs hadeson
were able to hear that message
perhaps if we could get them to
take down their raised hand
it would indicate that they're hearing
us
and mr mrsudasan have taken down their
raised hand which means i believe they
are here and present and wishing to
speak but unable to to unmute
with that
if they've
and they're now turning off their uh
their screens they're disconnecting
so i'm assuming i'm going to have to
assume that they're going to connect to
the clerk through the info at
loyalist.ca
and i do see another hand here for mr
peter field if you'd like to come on
perhaps the huday sins that will be able
to
arrange their connection and we'll come
to them secondly mr peter field like to
come forward
mr field can you hear us
we can hear you can you hear us we can
hear you thank you for the record can i
get you to state your name and address
please uh peter field one teagan court
welcome sir ontario
thank you welcome sir
i'd like to say good to see you again
but
i can't see you right this moment uh but
if you have something to uh bring to
council we would um well i'm not sure
when the clerk said that there was no um
advanced
people for the
to speak i thought we were supposed to
be on the agenda tonight as the
agricultural society
uh under delegations we do have ms
kimberly representing the uh odessa
agricultural society yes florence is
here with me okay that's fine we can
wait till then okay that is a formal
delegation so she will be able to speak
at that time okay thank you okay thank
you
and in the meantime
has uh mr dason or mr hudayson been able
to connect
i can see gene hudayson's connecting
if you're able to take it off mute we
would be glad to hear what you've got to
say
unless we can find another way to do
this i don't think we're going to be
able to hear mr and mrs whodayson's
comments this evening
giving trying to give them a little more
time to connect or to figure out how to
unmute is there anyone else in the
audience who wishes to speak during the
open forum
not regarding the items under the the
public meetings
i'm seeing no other hands
and mr jason
unfortunately i can't
seem to connect with uh
mr mrs davison right now
and hopefully they will be able to
connect with us
and provide that information whatever
they wish to to bring forward uh through
the clerk madam clerk
we are uh monitoring the info uh email
so we'll just if we can connect we will
try and get them on
thank you
if they are able to reconnect
at that time i will ask council if uh
depending on where we are in the council
meeting if they will allow that to uh
to you know suspend the rules of
procedure to allow them to present
because they have made an effort to
present this evening
with that we will move forward if
there's no one else for the open forum
i'm seeing no
others
oh
and we are moving into the public
meetings
the first public meeting
with regard to 1315 main street odessa
from nrk development
public meeting is being held in
accordance with the provisions of
section 1715 3412 and 5120 of the
planning act rso 1990 to consider an
amendment to the loyalist township
official plan amendment to the
comprehensive zoning bylaw
2001-38 as amended and the plan of
subdivision
proposed subdivision seeks approval for
a draft plan
draft plan of subdivision consisting of
three
i'm going to skip over that part you can
all read that okay
council shall hear in person or by his
or her counsel solicitor or agent any
person who who claims to be affected by
this application
all right i will first turn to the
director
the director does the staff have
anything to add to the
report that we have before us at the
time at this time
uh through you you worship uh there's
nothing to add to the report no uh but i
believe the applicant's consultant uh is
presenting tonight so if your uh
worship agrees uh it probably should be
the next presentation
absolutely the applicant's consultant
for this is
mr cunningham
i don't know
miss tucker
is the is the applicant or the
applicant's consultant available to
speak to us
and we have ms tucker yes
good evening council marin council my
name is tracy tucker i'm with ibi group
and i'm going to
present uh
the
application before you for 315 main
street
uh i just need to share my screen
so we're here today about the proposed
resident potential development at 315
main street odessa
there we go uh so it is located at the
corner of county road to shane street
and hensey street
um with
frontage on all three streets
um right now the lands are currently
vacant with residential on the
east
sorry the west south and
vacant looks like farmland and
agricultural on the north and
north of the site
so currently the lands have a low
density residential designation on them
and
the proposal is to
move them to a medium density
residential designation to prevent the
development as proposed
so previously back in 2019 we had
submitted an application for draft plan
of subdivision
which included medium density town
houses in this area in this area a
public right-of-way which would have
gone from hensey street to shane street
and a medium density apartment building
once we received comments back from
staff and feedback from the original
public meetings
we have revised the plan and we've
put townhouse units fronting straight on
to hensey and shane street
there's 14
town houses as well as a 22 unit
apartment building which will have
frontage on
highway 2 as well as on
shane street
the there is no will be no access from
highway 2 as
uh it's not permitted at this time and
then there's also a stormwater
management pond proposed which will
help with all the runoff
or potential runoff from the site
controlling it before it goes out into
the existing ditch system
so currently the low the official plan
that
permits low density residential which is
single detached dwelling semi-detached
dwellings
with a total density of 31 units per
hectare
um and the
medium density permits the low density
uses triplexes cluster row housing
street fronting townhouses low-rise
apartments to a maximum
60 units per hectare with a maximum of
four stories
and we are proposing to put
street fronting townhouses a low-rise
apartment which is three stories in
height and a
total net density for the entire site of
48.4 units per net hectare
which removes is
basically the lands that are being
developed with residential so doesn't
include the lands of the storm water
management pond
in that calculation
so originally this is what was proposed
for the site there was 24
units in the apartment building
and there was
16 units with frontage onto the proposed
public road
so we are now proposing a 22 unit
apartment building
same footprint we're just reducing the
number of units in it uh there's a lot
more amenity space we've provided
children's amenity space
and we've also
included 14 uh townhouses which are
i believe they were approximately
2100 square feet in size
two stories in height
so the proposed
apartment building hasn't changed in
terms of the looks of it
although this will all be dealt with the
actual details of which will be dealt
with through the site plan process in
the future once
approved
so currently the lands are a residential
type five zone
which permits the existing
which existing permissions permit street
fronting townhouses and the low-rise
apartment dwelling
this doesn't align with the official
plan um
which
doesn't permit these uses in the low
density use but the zoning permits them
as of right
um so we were proposing to
modify the existing zoning bylaw to
permit these uses
including some lot area
uh reductions minor reductions are still
meeting all the setbacks with exception
of the exterior side yard on one unit
and the front yards we've asked for it
to be six meters which accommodates the
driveway as well as four and a half
meters to the house so your driveway
your garage face is actually pushed back
from the front of the house
and then
through staff we were asked to
propose an amendment to the
maximum
lot coverage for the internal units to
allow for future sheds to be placed in
these rear yards
um
so we've gone up to 51 there the corner
and end units would still comply with
the additional five percent for the
sheds
and we've also provided additional rear
yard space
from what the current by-law proposes
so because we were requesting amendments
to the zoning bylaw that triggered the
official plan amendment
and the
for the apartment building were
requesting a reduction of the front yard
from seven and a half meters to six
meters
and uh parking to be located 1.5 meters
from the street line and this is to
capture a pinch point at the north what
northeast corner of the site
most parking will be outside of the
three meters with exception of the one
pinch point on site
so we have heard some public concerns
about the
about flooding the increases to density
and the traffic that will be generated
from this site
um
the flood
flooding and drainage we do understand
that is an existing ongoing issue in
this area
due to the bedrock and the
lack of storm source so the ditches have
been seen to overflow our site does have
to implement a stormwater management
pond which will
address any flooding issues that would
have resulted from this proposed
development
so
we will be containing and we have to
contain pre pre to post so we have to
contain all flood
and all water before it goes back into
the into the municipal ditches
to the same extent that it would be
today and we've actually i believe
made it better with because we've
increased the size of the pond to allow
for additional
storage on site in those major events
the increase in density on the site so
as
previously noted the zoning bylaw
actually permitted the uses of the
medium density
and would have permitted
the uses as of right
it's a minor increase in density we're
not actually asking for an amendment by
going to the medium density
um
previously we had asked for an
additional
density increase but we've now reduced
the number of units on site and we are
were allocated previously to have 36
units for servicing and that's what we
have proposed on site now
and the increase in traffic as a
we have done a traffic study for this
site
and it found that the
increase in traffic would be
not
negatively impacting the existing
traffic flows in the area
so again this is our revised plan so we
did the storm water management pond is
here and it is approximately
uh 1200 square meters and
the amount so we have amenity space now
across the entire
frontage here as well as each of these
townhouses have a significantly
large backyard
for
what a townhouse would normally have
and the this is for the proposed draft
plan of subdivision
uh so there's three blocks which would
include the three the three townhouses
as well as the
block for the
um
apartment building and there's also a
road widening of three meters and
about three meters on both shane street
and hensey street which is part of why
we've asked for the additional
setback to six meters from seven and a
half for the apartment building because
we have given a three meter widening so
we are
significantly set back we're still nine
meters from where the road currently is
today and that road widening
will likely just be grass in this area
in the future if the city or the
township does choose to actually widen
this road or urbanize this road
there may be sidewalks located within
that area but for now it would just
remain as is today
and that's our presentation thank you
thank you very much miss tucker
and if i can get you to stop sharing
your screen first
yep i'm just trying to find the button
to do that
why is it not
there we go
thank you very much
and so thank you for that presentation
and uh before i go to the public i will
ask council if they have any questions
of you at this time
council any questions for the consultant
for this project
i'm seeing none
then we'll move to the the open part
this is a public meeting we would ask
any attendees who wish to speak to the
315 main street odessa application uh to
please use the raise hand signal
and the clerk will
in some sequence invite you in and ask
you to speak
hey mr cunningham i will allow to speak
welcome mr cunningham if you can hear me
i would ask that you unmute and then
give us your full name and address and
then uh tell us your thoughts
uh doug cunningham i live a country club
drive in bath ontario
and i'm here regarding the 496 main
street that's what i would like to talk
about
okay that that will be the second public
meeting so i'll ask the clerk to uh
let you back into the uh the waiting
area if you will okay thanks and we'll
bring you in at that time
adam clerk are there others here to
speak specifically to the 315 main
street odessa application
let's see mr hilson
and i see that bob hilson has come in
again mr hilson welcome and we ask that
you uh unmute i think you have already
and uh tell us your your name and
address and then share your thoughts
with us
name is robert hillson
address is one five one manor road bath
ontario
my question for the present presentation
person is
not uh with regard to the storm water uh
management pond
is
i think
something that was lacking is
not necessarily the area of the pond but
the volume of the pond that's what i
would like to have answered
okay mr are you able to provide that
information
if you give me one second i can pull up
the report to get that information
hold on for one moment mr hilson
that's fine
do you have any other questions while
miss tucker is pulling that information
out no i do not okay
uh i do note that there are a couple
other people that are have their hands
up we will get to uh i believe it's mr
kowalski and mr peacock uh in a moment
as soon as we've completed with mr
hillson
i just need to look
i am still looking for it
again perhaps you can share that in a
few moments if you're still looking for
it and mr hilson if you have no other
questions i will move forward and ask
miss tucker to answer that question uh
in a few moments when she's able to but
that would allow us to move on to uh the
other people who wish to speak to that
is that all right with you mr hilson oh
yes that's fine in fact uh i think it's
important for the council to know not
necessarily for me to know
absolutely thank you very much
with that i will move on to
adam clerk is it mr kowalski this next
yes
welcome mr kowalski
hello i hope you can hear me we can if i
get you to state your full name and
address and then tell us your thoughts
on this project
uh gord kowalski
exchange street odessa
okay
i have a few comments uh
the first one i want to start out with
is the uh notice of the public meeting
this one here
i noticed on the township website there
that uh the bath meetings are all
published on the township website and
this meeting
you know it just isn't published and it
kind of you know give back in the
enhanced notice and uh
you know it
more public participation might be uh
be held if this was a this was published
along with the other meetings that's one
thing
i'm one of my comments if you under
and i do understand i'm not sure that
i would like our staff to comment on the
uh the publication and the notifications
uh but if you have another question
we'll take that and then i'll all go to
staff
well i'm i i'm sure that that the
regulations are met on this except uh
the pub
by not having this meeting publicized on
the website there it's
you don't get the participation so
that's that's what i'm getting at
okay
my next question is is uh the allocation
of sewer
uh
originally when this
plan started out that was 2007 that uh
they allocated 23 units of sewer
and that
there's a plan of a subdivision that
went through well it didn't go through
it got
struck down and then it went to appeal
the appeal was withdrawn in 2012.
so for four years until 216
there must be another extension in there
and then
there wasn't a lot
there there were it was there was an
allocation to uh another 13 units to
make it 36.
so we've had 218 in extension 219 an
extension
now we're coming to
another extension how many extensions
are we going to have and what's that
going to do to set precedence for other
developments is my question
okay
with that i will go to our director
and madame are you able to answer the
questions with regard to a the
publication and notification for this
meeting and b the sewage allocation
unfortunately miss mary you're muted
right now
okay
through you you worship uh i can
definitely answer the sewer allocation
uh question and miss furnace will have
to uh to speak to the publication uh
that was done for this uh for this
application
uh again at this time we're still doing
a technical review for for this um
for this development so uh as far as the
number of units allocated for this
development
as you are aware we
review our uncommitted reserve capacity
on a yearly basis based on
flows that reach our sewage treatment
facility
and
this development has certainly been on
our books for quite a few years
and
when we came to council asking for an
extension
you know the 36 units are being carried
uh in our uncommitted reserve capacity
so the plant is
uh able to um handle the additional
units
okay thank you
and miss furnace if you're available
would you be able to speak to the
notification process
yes through through you mr mayor um in
terms of the township's website it
should have been posted on there if it
we'd have to go back in and check to see
what may have happened there if he's
indicating that it that it hasn't been
um so if that's the case then there
could have been a potential oversight in
that but i can confirm all additional
posting requirements were met there's
signage posted on the on the site um
notice was mailed to all property owners
within 120 meters of the site as well
um and i'm going forward there's um
there'll be an obviously this is just a
public meeting so there'll be further
meetings to this brought forward in
council with an additional notice um and
so we can definitely ensure that
that it's included on the website
thank you
mr kowalski you've heard the answers do
you have any further comment
uh
well i can go on about the drainage now
go ahead
back in
i don't know 1991 as a public meeting
and they're doing the odessa uh public
housing stuff there
and the property where the seniors uh
residence is now
uh there's concerns if they put the fill
in there that was gonna cause problems
with the drainage on shane street
and uh that was brought up in the public
meeting in 91
came on 93 or 94 there's another public
meeting and
they waived the uh
the water studies in the soil testing in
a scramble to get the uh public funding
and after that the next year after that
we had a year and we had problems there
so uh
you know things happened uh
there there were petitions to the to the
earnest downtown council i guess back
then and
delegations and stuff and they ended up
uh in improving the ditches on the north
side of shane street and putting the
fill in the backyards but we still
haven't
i guess i read in the port uh under
functioning ditch on the on the north
side
we've uh
now spent money in the last couple years
improving uh the south side ditch
so that's tax money spent there and uh
i'm really concerned what's going to
happen here and we've already spent what
spent our tax dollars done on these
improvements and it's natural drainage
going down through there so i'm i'm not
really too sure what's going to happen
here i'm i'm concerned
thank you ms merritt do you have comment
with regard to the drainage
again three year worship we're still
doing this is only for an op not only
this is for an opm admin and a reasoning
amendment
uh and
we're still going through the detailed
design
uh we are aware that drainage is uh is a
concern
and we are um
definitely
uh paying close attention to that part
of the design
thank you mr kowalski just from my own
perspective i can't speak to what
happened in the 90s uh that was
definitely before i came on council
but
i assure you that when we were reviewing
this a few years ago
drainage was brought very much to the
forefront as a concern for that region
and
will continue to be something that we
work to ensure as best as we possibly
can as this moves forward
yeah well i assumed that you know about
the drainage because i read another
report there the
the property behind the council there
has a stream and it's it's and stuff
running through and it's unsuitable to
put a new county a new
public building on so i don't know i'm
just really concerned
i appreciate that
council do we have any questions for mr
kowalski
i'm seeing no questions
right i'll say thank you very much for
your input mr kowalski we will continue
to to move forward
i believe uh madam clerk i believe the
next up is mr peacock
i'm allowed to
speak i believe
mr pika can you hear us
hi am i muted
we can hear you yes go ahead sir give us
your full name and address please
uh this is nathan peacock but uh rebecca
brown lives with me as well
at uh 311 main street
um and she'll be speaking on my behalf
it's just i have logged in on my tablet
she's here with me
fair enough and madam if you would give
us your name and address then please
uh my name is rebecca brown i live at
311 main street um i wrote some comments
let me the agenda but i'm not sure if
you're going to read those comments or
not i just have some very concerning
questions i'd like to ask miss tucker
myself
well if you could uh
yeah tell us your questions and and
we'll see what we can do for a response
thank you
um
so i live at 311 main street which is a
known um
i guess watering hole of
odessa
um i was just wondering if um ibi group
had an evaluation
by career callaway group sorry if i say
that wrong
and it was commented during this
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this evaluation that it was not a four
season water level that they only did
the spring melt
um there's an approximization
uh completed and no allocations of where
they actually took this data i find this
concerning because the spring melt is
not my highest water level of the year
um i was just wondering
why they thought that was sufficient
because in previous meetings i have in
fact sent
council
pictures of water levels in november
which happened to be up to my waistline
in my own basement i was just wondering
if that fourth season was going to be
completed and if council was aware of
that
thank you
i will go to ms tucker for a response
with regard to the studies that have
been done
miss tucker you muted right now
sorry
thank you miss brand so we did the
studies as were required by the
municipality and we have gone back and
forth now several times
with staff with the conservation
authority as well as
the peer reviewers on what was required
and what we needed to do to move forward
with this project
um
should the city or the municipality
require a four season study that can be
implemented as a draft plan condition
that we would have be required to
fulfill as part of the subdivision
agreement
so that it's not we weren't required to
it these comments we've received have
not said we need to do the four season
study
and that's part of why we have not
proceeded with it at this point
thank you
i'll go to ms merritt did you have any
comment with regard to the studies
you may have lost oh there she is
taking a little bit longer to
turn this on um i don't have a further
comment on this your worship uh again
the technical review is not there yet
this is just a public this is a public
meeting for us to gather comments and
when we come back to council with a
report
we will provide some answers
thank you very much
council do we have any questions for
this uh delegate
and i'm seeing none
all right
thank you very much for you for your
comments did you have anything further
to add then
uh just one comment all those uh
um all the comments were added to the
agenda are you going to
review them and get back to those
people
and
council has all of these comments before
us and the the commitment from this
public meeting is that the comments will
be addressed by our staff prior to
any bylaw coming forward to council and
i see ms merritt
nodding then i got the process right
and
so yes the comments will be responded to
uh into each of them
thank you
okay perfect thank you
thank you is there anyone else in the
audience who wishes to speak on the
issue of 315 main street odessa
and again i will ask if you
are interested in speaking to it you use
the raise hand feature
madam clerk are you seeing anyone i'm
not right now
i'm not your worship
nope oh mr
kalowski
mr kowalski
and
we typically only allows people to speak
once but mr kowalski if you have a quick
question i will
allow it
and we can't hear you yet you're still
muted
uh i just had a quick conversation with
one of my neighbors today and they have
a four generation
farm there that
they've been working on and they're
quite concerned about this development
and uh they're just very con just very
very concerned about the green factor
and the climate change aspects and what
and how it would affect them that's
that's about what i have to say about
thanks
greatly appreciate it and and if you
could get them to put it send in their
comments uh in writing or or phone the
the office to provide those comments we
can include those in the comments that
will be addressed
as this report moves further
okay thank you mr kowalski
any anyone else
madam clerk are you seeing anyone
yes your worship uh ann mcintosh i'll
just allow to speak
miss mcintosh i believe you come into
the at the front
if you can unmute can you tell us your
name and address and then give us your
thoughts on this please
uh well my concern can you hear me we
can hear you yes okay great i've never
done this before so have an amateur at
this
um
we're all learning
okay well i'm not a property owner i'm a
resident in the seniors resident around
the corner
and my concerns are
um
largely environmental and quality of
life like i know mr klosky mentioned
somebody who
was concerned because they were a
four-generation farmer
um
the thing is that once this starts
the quality of life of the people who
have lived here for generations
and the people who have come here
because this is what we like
once again
our quality of life is just being
disregarded so that somebody can build a
development
like this is a rural area and it's quiet
and it's the air is clean and we
hear birds and trees and wind and we get
the smell of the hay and the grass
we get to look at the world the way it
was supposed to be
and it seems like for myself every time
i found a place like this to live
after a few years i've got to pull up
and leave because well here comes the
developer it's all gone again
and
all this
discussion that's going on now in the
world about global warming and climate
change and so on this is relevant
because every time you destroy something
like this chop down trees pave over
grass
that's part of the world that's not
getting cleaned again and you can't go
back once you've dug it dug it up paved
it over and built on it it's gone
forever and ever you'll never get it
back
um if we're gonna try to do anything
about preserving the world for
people's children and grandchildren
great-grandchildren i don't have any but
probably most of you do
it takes all of us and we have to start
somewhere there's all the little people
like us
all working together that maybe can turn
the tide and
get the world back to where it's
supposed to be
there's social problems that come
because people can't get away from each
other because
there's no place that they can go to
stop trying to move at the speed of
light and of the speed of light and go
back to remembering that they're people
but not machines
you go out you walk in the woods you
walk in the fields you listen to the
birds you look around you
and the stresses of the world disappear
where do we go
what do we do
when that's gone
and once you've done this
that's the beginning somebody else comes
in behind these guys who wants to
develop something else before you don't
work case them then before you know it
we're toronto
that's my concerns i mean i'll be dead
and buried by the time that happens but
in the meantime i'm going to lose
something that
means a great deal to me because
i won't be able to enjoy this anymore
either anyway that's my concerns
and
that's all i had to say about it and i
appreciate you bringing it forward ms
mcintosh thank you council do we have
any questions from his macintosh
and i'm seeing none i'll say thank you
very much miss mcintosh and uh and say
your comments will be added into the uh
the report and addressed by staff
is there anyone else who wishes to
address the public meeting regarding 315
main street odessa
have mr cunningham i believe
mr cunningham
i think you were interested in the bath
project not the odessa project but uh if
you wish to comment on the the odessa
project
mr cunningham can you hear me
see you in if you could unmute
i can hear you i'm just going to wait
till uh the bath
the next next item
okay thank you thank you and we'll call
you in at that time great thanks thank
is there anyone else with regard to
the 315 main street odessa project
application
i see hands up from the same people that
have already spoken to us
again traditionally this is one person
gets one shot at this is there anyone
new
i'm seeing no one knew
mr cunningham still has his hand up but
i'm again that that's for the next one
we have mr peacock oh miss tucker do you
have the numbers yeah i have the numbers
and i also have an update on the four
season hydrogeological study
thank you go ahead so the swim pond has
308
uh cubic meters of storage
at the parking lot has
about 130 cubic meters of storage
for a total of 309 sorry 77 cubic meters
of storage for a total of 395 cubic
meters of storage on site
based on the current flows today we are
actually only required to have 131 cubic
meters so we have
close to three times the amount of
storage that we need on site
and with respect to the four season
hydro geological in our second
submission we did submit the four season
hydrogeological for the
site okay so it has been submitted is
that a public document
should be because it is part of the
application
this furnace
yes through you mr mayor they're all
public documents so if any member of
council or any public member um wishes
to receive copies of them they can
definitely reach out to the playing
division and we can provide those
okay thank you very much
with that
again i'll come back to counsel any
questions for miss tucker or staff
seeing none
i see mr peacock's hand is still up and
i believe that's and i'll be honest i've
forgotten the uh
the lady who was speaking i will ask the
clerk to bring her in very briefly
for a follow-up comment and then we'll
call this bring this to a close
yes
it's actually nathan is speaking this
time uh it and it's more of a
comment than a question
um i know
that there are at least two landowners
adjacent to this property that have had
difficulties with trying to get on the
council
trying to get onto the zoom meetings the
technology what have you
um
i just
i know that uh
they would like to be here um but
they're having
some technical issues so i've received
some messages from them that's all i
just wanted to uh
get that information
through that's that's all i have
thank you very much again i would ask
anyone who wishes to make comment with
regard to this application
to uh the best way would be to provide
it by email if that's possible provided
in writing at the township office uh or
at the very least phone the township
office and provide comments that way and
all comments will be addressed prior to
this coming back to council or as this
comes back to council
before any decision is made
with that i will say last call for
the public meeting for 315 main street
okay
and we do have a recommendation
right
for the recommendation is that this be
brought forward to council once the
comments from the departments the
agencies and the public have been
addressed
that the units of capacity previously
allocated within the water and
loyalistic sewage systems for the
development of consent
be extended to june 30th to allow for
the comments to be addressed and the
draft plan of subdivision to be granted
and if the effective property receiving
allocation has not obtained draft plan
approval by june 30th then this
allocation would be made available to
other properties that is the
recommendation before us council
council do you have any questions with
regard to the recommendations
and i'm seeing no hands
then i will ask if there's someone
willing to make a motion
counsel
are we going to make promotion either on
the recommendation or another motion
anyone
i'll go to the deputy thank you
move to receive and adopt the
recommendations
to receive and adopt the recommendations
do i have a seconder for that
counselor parks the seconding thank you
deputy any comment just very briefly um
this motion is uh strictly for basically
receiving the information that we've got
tonight plus what will still come in
so that it can be considered um during
the review
so um that's why
it's this motion is needed to be able to
be able to take all the comments and
concerns and address them appropriately
thank you secondary comment
uh just to echo what the deputy had said
yes this is just really to get all the
information back before council so that
a proper decision can be made so
that's why i seconded the motion
thank you
anyone else wish to comment
i'm seeing no further comments
then i will call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried thank you and that
brings us to the end of the public
meeting for 315 main street
we now move on to the public meeting
regarding 496 main street bath
and i turn to our director
to introduce
this oh before before i go to the
director kelsey parks did you have
something
i just wanted to mention to the clerk
that i did receive an email from mr hood
jason as well as dave salter that they
are trying to join the public meeting
later on
i just want to make sure she was aware
of that yes thank you
okay thank you
ms merritt you would like to introduce
this public meeting
uh through
uh yes so staff uh we don't have
anything further to add to the report
that's on the agenda but i believe the
um
the uh applicants consultant is here to
uh make a presentation as well
the applicant's consultant here to make
a presentation do we know the name
is that ms gilchrist yes
and then as us
staff to allow ms gilchrist to present
believe them skillchrist is here and
this
is stuke stuck i'm not sure how to
pronounce that
hi i'm three mr chair it's uh miss
stookie
miss dookie welcome all right you're
here to present on this application
yes yes
um council and
mayor my name is emma stuki i'm a
planner at ibi group while i'm set up to
share my screen to start the
presentation please go ahead
is everyone able to see the slides
not quite yet
i'm seeing black screen right now other
members of council
anyone
just showing black screen your worship
something's not working properly
okay here i'll stop and try again
and
i'm still getting black screen
it says that you're sharing the screen
but i'm not seeing any screens
it does say double click to enter full
screen mode that may be
that it's off if you've got two screens
it may be off on your other screen and
just not showing up on the screen yet
i'm still seeing black screen council
the rest of council are you able to see
the presentation
i'm seeing heads shaking no no
okay i'll try
try one more time
third time's the charm third time's the
term
and i'm not sure what's going on but i'm
still getting black screen
black screen
um is it possible i did share the
presentation via email to um miss
furnace and mr casemore today
is it possible for someone else to maybe
pull up the slide um
i'm not sure what's going on on my end
okay if you could uh stop sharing for us
so that we can come back to regular view
i will turn to miss furnace
do you have that presentation and are
you able to pre to show it
your worship i believe we have a pdf of
it uh that i can put up on the screen
now and they'll just have to let me know
when to change
and
okay please do so
okay i'm now seeing a uh a presentation
on 496 main street bath council are you
seeing the same
i'm seeing nods so i'm hoping that the
public can see this as well and with
that ms stookie if you would like to uh
go ahead and when you need the slide to
change you can address that to the clerk
great thank you thanks for your help
with the technical difficulties so again
my name is emma stuki i'm a planner at
ibi group and we're the consultant
planners for our y legacy contractor um
so today we're here to discuss the
applications for draft plan of
subdivision for the property at 496 main
street and bath
so the purpose of the application is a
draft plan of subdivision to create 10
new residential blocks with 9 70
detached blocks with 18 units and one 10
s block with four units for a total of
22 units an official plan amendment is
requested to change the designation from
commercial to medium density residential
this is required in order to permit
townhouses and semi-detached dwellings
on the subject lands
and then a zoning bylaw amendment
application is proposed in order to
implement the proposed draft plan of
subdivision and change the zone from a
commercial zone to a residential zone
next slide please
so here's an image of the subject
property which shows the surrounding
fabric and location of the property
in the village of bath
next line please
the area context to the north is bath
creek loyalist golf and country club and
low density residential development to
the east is the village of bath various
commercial uses low density residential
uses the south
and properties along main street bath
low density residential uses in lake
ontario
west is
low density residential uses country
club drive and lands designated for
aggregate
at an extraction
um so in the area context those of you
familiar with bath primarily single
detached homes one to two stories range
of construction dates and range of
architectural styles
next slide please
and the site has an area of 1.2 hectares
with 93 meters of frontage on main
street there's an existing commercial
building on the site there's a u-shaped
driveway with two entrances to main
street the land is cleared and grassy
and bath creek runs along the north of
the property
next slide please
um so from these pictures we can see the
view of the property from east to west
and the existing conditions along the
property
lines next slide please
um so again here's the proposed concept
plan i'm proposing semi-detached
residential blocks with 18 semi-detached
units and four townhouse units all
around cul-de-sac
with an open space area
at the rear of the property which will
be designated to the township for
conservation
next slide please
um so
during the pre-consultation meeting with
the township we had certain design
considerations established to help guide
the development of this subdivision
including providing a mix of housing
types being set back from the flood
plain
that's bath creek minimizing the number
of entrances to main street providing a
minimum of two parking spaces per unit
next slide please
the proposed development will be
serviced by municipal water and sanitary
services servicing will be confirmed as
a condition of draft approval um block
11 which includes the lands along black
creek and the flood plain is a natural
open space block which will be dedicated
to loyalist township for conservation
and this dedication
will occur in consultation with the
conservation authority
the owner will also be required to
provide cash in lieu of parkland
access to the site is a 18 meter wide
public cul-de-sac connecting to main
street and individual driveways are
proposed for the four townhouse units
next slide please
here's an example built form
renderings shown are
conceptual at this point but show two to
two and a half story buildings two to
three bedroom units owner intends to
build a high quality product based on
feedback from the
virtual open house took it back to the
owner that had more traditional colonial
design is preferred for the area
buyers will be choosing floor plans and
landscaping will be required
next slide please
and so in terms of going to the policy
context so the proposed development
is consistent with the intent of the
provincial policy statement as it
redevelopment redevelops and
underutilized site in an area intended
for development it's within the urban
growth groundry efficiently uses land
and resources does not result in the
uneconomic extension of services
the proposed residential use is
compatible with the adjacent residential
uses and no public health and safety
issues are anticipated as the
development setback
far enough from box creek
next slide please
and here is an image of the current
official plan designation so the
existing designation is for commercial
land uses and medium density residential
is proposed the medium density
residential is proposed in order to
permit the townhouse use
um we note that the proposed density is
actually low density it's less than 31
units per net hectare which is what's
identified in the
township's official plan
as the threshold there so
seeking to go into the medium density
residential designation to permit the
townhouse built form
next slide please
so residential uses on the subject lands
are appropriately located it's within
the settlement area of bath
in an area that's within walking
distance of parkland community
facilities commercial uses
it's compatible with adjacent uses the
proposed residential use is more
compatible with adjacent residential
properties compared to a commercial use
it meets the functional needs of site
users parking and amenity space are
provided on the site consistent with the
township standards
helps to achieve intensification targets
supports residential intensification in
the settlement area of bath and complies
with division of land policies
so engineering studies have been
submitted which demonstrate that the
development of the subject lands
is orderly and logical meaning that
servicing can be provided traffic can be
accommodated and storm water management
can be managed as well
next slide please
so the existing zoning is a commercial
c2 zone and we're proposing to place
the lands into residential zones and it
will be a
residential type 4 zone for the
semi-detached dwellings and a
residential
type 5 zone for the townhouse units and
we note that site-specific performance
standards are proposed throughout to be
able to implement the development as
shown
next slide please
um so we have heard comments so far and
we did host a virtual open house
to
solicit feedback from the public and
have a discussion about the proposed
development
we heard concerns with compatibility and
scale concerns with potential traffic
impact and access
concerns with availability of water and
waste water services concerns about the
safety of the open space block in
parkland and concerns with flooding and
storm water management
next slide please
some concerns related to compatibility
and heritage concerns about the density
and the size of the lots
compatibility specifically with the
heritage character of bath preference
for fewer single detached homes and need
for greater setbacks and separation
so we do note that we have heard all of
these comments and taken them back to
the developer
and are awaiting township comments
before
making changes to the design
but to summarize the
proposed density is is considered low
density in the official plan
and the lot sizes and setbacks are
consistent with modern construction
standards again we note that
pending township comments these can be
reviewed final layout and building
locations will be refined through this
process
and the buildings will comply with the
maximum height of at 10 meters outlined
in the zoning bylaw
and
supports
the addition of semi-detached and
townhouse dwellings on this site
supports providing a range of mix and
housing types in bath
from a land use perspective supports
the efficient use of land and settlement
areas making use of existing services
and
the proposed built form is compatible
with adjacent residential uses in terms
of scale and bill form
next slide please
and so open space heard the concerns
here that need for planning and
landscape concerns with the safety of
block 11 for parkland and concerned with
access to open space for residents we
know that landscaping will be required
um the intention is to preserve trees
wherever possible block 11 will be
dedicated as open space for conservation
use and it's not intended to be a park
space or a public park space um it's
intended to let the
flood plane function um along the creek
and cache and live with parkland will be
provided to the township
next slide please
traffic access heard concerns about
traffic frequency concerns with the
amount of parking need for visitor
parking concerns with entrances on the
main street ability for trucks to turn
around and the need for sidewalks so
according to the traffic impact study
forecasted traffic levels are
anticipated to have negligible impact on
surrounding roads the cul-de-sac meets
the minimum turn radius required for
single-unit trucks the proposal will be
reviewed by the fire department
in the technical comments and the
proposed development meets the minimum
parking requirements for residential
uses
next slide please
um engineering again concerns with water
and wastewater servicing concerns about
capacity to support the development and
concerns about storm water management
flooding and water quality and runoff
so preliminary calculations show there
is capacity to service the proposed
development
these reports are available
and are being reviewed by the township
as part of their technical review
capacity will be confirmed by the
township as a condition of draft
approval
the storm sewer services will be
installed with a connection to main
street storm sewers
and there is going to be an oil grit
separator installed to mitigate any
adverse water quality effects and more
details on these measures are available
in the accompanying report
next slide please
um so in conclusion and based on this
the proposed residential uses on the
site are consistent with the intent of
the pps
conform to the official plan policies
and are compatible with surrounding uses
next slide please
um so thank you we welcome questions and
discussion
thank you very much miss dukey
uh council do we have any questions
with regard to the presentation just
made
i'm seeing no questions
so i will turn this to the public
okay and again this is a public meeting
council shall hear in person or by his
or her counsel solicitor agent any
person who came to be affected by this
application
at this time i'll turn to the clerk and
ask her to identify
people that are wishing to
attend
okay after your worship uh mr cunningham
has been allowed to speak
go ahead mr cunningham you'll have to
unmute
and again
name and address and
also comments please cunningham uh one
country club
drive and pass just 150 meters away from
this proposed subdivision
many of the concerns that i have got are
are the building of what is going into
this place because of what's beside this
project
is uh a home that was built in 1850
a home across the street which was 1850
and you start going down that street and
that's
you're almost going back into the 1800s
i think this will exactly take away from
the heritage bit of bath ontario it'll
become a just another little place
like behind like amherst view where
you're going to have all these
different kinds of things in there
we should be trying to keep this
as a certain
certain plate thing i could see if they
wanted to develop this to put this into
colonial style homes or period type
homes which can be built very easily by
a builder and i did check this builder
out he looks like he is a is a quality
builder
i think this is something i don't know
anything about the water plane but i
know i when i walk there
i'm in the last meeting a lot of people
had concerns about
runoff that where's it going to go
is it going to run into the into the
bath creek that's there and we have a
few pollution problems along there and
another thing was that
i could see that if they could take
those four townhouses out and make that
all parkland the people who have
children in that area but have a place
to play now there's no place for them to
go you can't take a three-year-old down
to the park all the time
and also with those four
four
townhouses there that's four extra
driveways on that bath road and right
now i call that the bath road speedway
you can't believe how fast the cars are
going on that even the trucks coming
from
coming from the
the parge today most of the trucks were
doing 65 to 70 k's completing with the
cars also all you need is one little
child to go out there and boom and it's
council's responsibility to make sure
that that speed limit is down but also
there's just too much congestion on a
weekend
with a subdivision we've got behind us
now
with only one exit
there could be a possibly 200 cars there
you think on the holiday weekend
and someone trying to turn left
will never get out let alone going down
the street again you're going to have
you're just going to have one big
bottleneck
so i just think that if they could get
could go back to the drawing board and
maybe do a uh
a single family development in there
with colonial style homes that would
match what's going on through there
that's what a legacy i'm sure i hope
someone else is here that knows more
about the land the land development so
forth around there with the streams and
so forth
is there anybody else here or not
that's all i have to say
thank you mr cunningham
council do we have any questions for mr
cunningham
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i we take we will take note of your
concerns and staff are taking notes uh
to address those concerns
in the uh report that will come back to
council okay thank you
thank you
i turned to the clerk for the next
attendee for the public meeting with
regard to
496 main street bath
uh mr hilson
mr hilson
and come on in
go ahead mr nelson uh my first question
would be is there any
allowance for low-income housing in this
development and i would ask the same
question of the previous presentation
uh
will there be any public access along
the creek
for anyone who wants to walk along the
creek
as
is done in new zealand
where all waterways
lakes rivers ocean
nobody can build
and prevent people from walking along
the shoreline of any of those water
features i think that's a wonderful
thing
and i've been there so i know what it's
like those are my questions thank you
very much
okay thank you we have those questions
uh miss furnace or miss uh merritt
are you able to answer the question with
regard to public access on the
waterway
or would that be something that would
come forward in the later report
3d worship i see miss furness is on so
she may correct me
uh but as far as the development that
might be and i i'm not sure that they're
still able to talk but that might be the
consultants might be able to propose to
uh discuss a little bit more of what
they have
uh proposed uh as far as
access to the creek
ms stookie are you able to respond to
that
um
three and mr chair
and the
the proposal does include the dedication
of block 11
for conservation and this has been done
in consultation with the conservation
authority
and given that it is a flood plain there
were some potential safety concerns
brought up with access but
um
the
owner and developer would be open to
working with the township and
conservation authority as the land is
intended to be dedicated to the township
for conservation in consultation with
them
thank you
and is anyone able to address the
question with regard to
low income housing
um
through you the
they're not designated affordable units
proposed at this time but 70 detached
and townhouse dwellings are typically
more affordable or more attainable
compared to
um if singles were developed on the same
lot um so um no formal partnership with
affordable housing but the proposed form
is considered to be a more attainable
form of housing
thank you
again your comments mr hilson will be uh
recorded and brought forward back in the
in the report coming back to council
do you have anything further mr hillson
no thank you very much
thank you
council any questions
then i'll go to the clerk
do we have another attendee yes mr
salter
mr salter
welcome mr salter if you could unmute
can you hear me okay
yes i have on music can you hear me yes
we can hear you now do you give us your
name and address and uh tell us your
thoughts
uh david salter 130 factory lane and
bath just to the south of this proposed
development
i've
read through the
the staff report sr 1890
and the parts that struck me
particularly where it says
the
municipality should provide an
appropriate range and mix of housing
options and densities
i should say that in the municipality
this is being provided
in several other areas for example off
highway 6 south of the taylor kid
and also off spears road
in all those areas there are multiple
residential units and the semis
i don't think it's at all appropriate in
this particular area
also
which i i noticed that the staff report
had included my comments as well as
those of all the others who have
commented however
i should just like to emphasize again
that
there's a requirement
in the official plan for buffering
between medium and low density uses
to minify min to minimize the adverse
impacts
and
the plan as put out now shows no
buffering at all
the fire the third point i want to make
is the
request
to
reduce the side yard front yard
and
the various other yards there's very
large reductions required
in the official plan
yard designations and i think that also
illustrates the fact that this is not a
suitable
development for this area as it's
currently indicated
thank you
again i'll turn to staff is there any
comments with with those particular
points
through your worship uh not particularly
just that we've received the comments
and all of these comments will be
considered when we come back to council
with a report
thank you very much
thank you mr salter
okay
and i will turn to the clerk for next up
uh we have catherine murphy
ms murphy
can you hear me okay if you could unmute
we'll find out if we can hear you
this time you still appear to be muted
if i can offer a suggestion
if you have two systems running right
now turn one of them off
yes
there's something your microphone is
picking up your speakers
you see
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i'll have to leave it for now
okay
if you can still hear me miss murphy we
would really like you to put your uh
comments in writing uh or if you can
join back in a few moments uh with uh
solving that technical issue thank you
you've still got the echo
it's a feedback loop
okay now that you're muted we can
hear each other
um
again if you can solve the technical
issue we would invite you back in to
present but in the meantime we will move
on to the next presenter and uh if
you're not able to address that please
provide it in writing uh through to the
clerk
can you hear me now
we can and there's no echo
well bev
excellent go ahead it will be bad form
and speaking because we're sharing
um
hi this is beverly again
this is beverly hallman
i live at 483 main street
okay
um
now that i have had to move rooms
i haven't got a late to show
what i wanted to talk about
however um
the concern what concerns me is the
historic value of bath
this is one of the oldest communities
in ontario
we have heritage homes up and down the
street
and even though
your consultant is only required to have
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and
only required to
be under 10 meters and
i think those rules should be
put aside because of the historic value
of this of the town
we have
tried
very hard in bath to keep it in its
historic
nature
we had a lac la lac which was local
historic conservation
a lot of people aren't aware of that
we had
and we had an historic society we had
the fairfield goodside house
we have the
masonic hall we have the town hall and
when we resided the town hall there were
a lot of complaints because we weren't
staying to the historic nature of bath
so there are many many people who need
to have this town remain as it is
now
i invite people to take a drive
into amherst view and particularly on
walden pond it's called
to have a look at the homes that are in
there
they are chock-a-block on top of each
other
they are incredibly tall because a
walk-out basement evidently isn't a
walk-out basement out the back a
walk-out basement is a garage on the
main floor and then
above that the main floor of the house
the living section of the house plus the
bedrooms on the third floor
this is taller than anything we have
here in bass um and as i said
they're allowed to do it the 10 meters
is what they're allowed to do
but we should consider
that
in bath we need to maintain the historic
values
the first comment or in the first
comments
they were talking about medium density
housing
and they made no mention whatsoever of
the 130 homes that are
going in directly behind here which are
medium density so we are not lacking in
medium density homes
in bath
so
plus there are many other subdivisions
going in
one other comment
cash in lieu of parkland
what's that going to do for the village
what's that going to do for the the
it's going to give you money in your
pocket to do something but
it's not going to give our children
places to play i'm directly across the
street from this place and um
it's just uh
amazing to me that they could consider
putting
such a
i don't even know what to call it such
so many
houses
on that tiny piece of land
um
so
um
also when when we went in to have a look
at walden pond
which is um
in amherst view as i said and it's
walkout basements which are actually the
main the
floor on the ground floor is the walkout
basement so then the living quarters are
above that and above that again
there was an incredible amount of
parking
on the street
there were cars all over the street
we
couldn't get down the street without
swerving back and forth to go around
cars that were parked there
so um
i think
that you're dreaming if you think that
there's not going to be a parking
problem on this street especially with
fire trucks
and emergency vehicles getting in there
um
and the every house has at least two
cars if not three
and there's just definitely not enough
parking and they will park on the street
and they will possibly park
on other streets that are nearby
and um
this is a this is a problem in bath
uh
we're just an accident waiting to happen
on that main street
anyway that's my comments for now
uh thank you very much for hearing me
thank you very much ma'am
and uh there's no other comments from
questions from council and
i'm seeing none i'll say thank you and
we'll move to our next commenter
madam clerk
uh we have mr cunningham again
before i return to mr cunningham
i'm wondering that we do have a lot of
people in attendance and in the audience
uh is there anyone else who wishes to
present a new person to present
if there are no furthers oh
i see a few coming in
madam clerk if you could go to the next
one
uh well uh allowed to speak up
hi this is uh
hi this is mark kant uh i live at 335
division street in kingston but
i'm the estate trustee for the home of
leon and teresa cant at 517 main street
bath
thank you where i grew up
and
my main concern
is that i'm reading through the uh
council report
uh staff report
and such
a lot of people
seem to be thinking of the site as
having been a restaurant which yes it
was for
a good many years before it was a
restaurant it was a fish cannery
and uh the fish were dropped off at the
uh
wharf at the bottom of the factory lane
uh taken from lake ontario
back in the 40s and 50s and such
brought up to the cannery for cleaning
and
packaging
then there's
fish waste coming from it uh parts that
obviously you don't want to find on
cattle fish
uh
back in summer of 1982 i worked for the
village bath going through its back
records
basically
helping to trim out stuff that was no
longer needed i saw no records
with respect to
the fish cannery at the time
but
honestly
back in the 40s the 50s the early 60s
environmental stuff was not really a
consideration
and disposal of
waste was not so much a consideration
there's
as well understanding of pollution in
the fish
particularly in the great lakes was
definitely not a consideration yet
i remember in the 70s when that started
to be understood and
was something of a surprise
because i was a kid at the time had
fishing on the
dock
out in front of the house
the
wastes from the fish
i'm not sure where it was disposed but
there is potential it was exposed on the
site
buried in the ground there
from what i'm
seeing in staff reports there was an
understanding that there wasn't
the potential of an environmental risk
there
my understanding is that if it was
buried on the site or burnt on the site
or whatever
you're dealing with the pollutants the
fish would have had
including mercury
which would be in the soil
i would recommend before
proceeding with housing development on
that site
to double check the soil
if necessary
some
remediation happening
obviously
operating something like a restaurant
where people are in and out quickly
enough
uh everything's contained within the
building is a different thing from
kids playing in the backyard
and
so that
for all we know could be contaminated
okay mr kent
yeah
thank you very much for those comments
uh
i will ask staff if they have any uh
comments with regard to an environmental
assessment on the property
yes through you mr mayor i can confirm
that one was required um any um and a
record of site condition was submitted
um as part of the application for this
so which is currently being reviewed by
staff as part of the technical review so
record of site conditions are required
and issued by the ministry of
environment conservation and parks um to
confirm that the analysis that was done
and proper cleanup and everything was
completed in order to change a
non-residential use and and switch it to
a more um residential one so we can't
we're not permitted to um
recommend approval for for changing the
site to residential um unless that has
been submitted and is satisfactory
thank you
and to your understanding it is
satisfactory
and that's what
go ahead okay
that's what it had that's what it had
indicated but we're currently re
reviewing it all and to ensure that our
engineering team
and the final comments from staff on
that will be included in the final
report
yes that's correct yes okay thank you mr
kent
are there others in the audience who
wish to present
we have uh rick and ann myers
welcome them in
mr mr myers
did we lose them
they don't appear on my screen oh
they're there
i'm pushing the enemy
and can
can you hear me we can hear you yes okay
excellent thank you give us your name
and address make your comments please
thank you it's uh rick myers 23 country
club drive
in bath and we back on to the bath creek
along our south side
just a couple of quick questions to
ibi group
number one they talked about she talked
about
not removing trees or
trying to avoid to remove trees
if necessary
now they're along that property front
there are a number of rather large trees
that
they're saying they can't don't have to
remove but
based on the plans that you currently
have for for that density i'd be
rather miffed at how you could possibly
not remove those trees in order to get
those houses in there that's number one
number two you talk about two parking
spots
what are you considering two parking
spots obviously the driveway
are you considering the garage as
another parking spot
that's my second question
my third question is to the
council itself is the the water issue
along there as you know you improved
that area just recently
but still
if you've ever driven
uh along main street
during a rainstorm or shortly thereafter
there are still a number of issues with
water
flooding the street
also
that's something to consider
the traffic
issue is going to be
a major concern
as council knows
phase 8
the caitlyn project is quickly coming to
a point where they're going to be
building homes
now out of that subdivision there is
only one exit
and that is country club drive
out onto main street
so you're talking a substantial increase
in traffic going
east and west on main street
and now you're going to add
another
22 residents
in a area that's low density and should
remain low density
my other concern is
ibi talked about
two to two and a half stories
what are you putting in a half story
on top of that house
i can see a two-story i can see a
three-story but what in tarnation is a
half a story
so i'd like that answered
and finally uh the building that's there
itself is obviously owned by
or
ibm or whoever owns it
has it been examined for asbestos and if
it has been
what were the results
from that
so those are my questions okay thank you
sir there was a number of questions
there and i see uh
our representative from the ibi group
has come on screen
right
stuki are you able to answer some of
those i know that our staff have
recorded all of those questions and it
will be included in in the report but
miss tooky if you have answers right
this moment you can go ahead
yes thank you i'm three year worship
um i'll comment first on the comment
about
trees so the
property will be subject to like a
landscaping plan and tree removal and
preservation plan intention would be to
preserve trees where possible it is
quite a large municipal
right-of-way in front of the property so
there may be instances where the trees
are within the boulevard
and can be preserved as well and new
plantings will be provided so that
detail is to follow
but will be looked at as part of the
townships review i can confirm that yes
one of the two parking spaces is in the
garage so there's a parking space in the
garage and a parking space in the
driveway
and then in terms of the two and a half
stories typically the half story would
be
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one with a peaked roof like a story with
the peak roof and you see the um
the one rendering show the dormer
windows
um
and in terms of asbestos testing
um
i'll reiterate again the phase one
environmental assessment was completed
and any demolition
of the existing building would be
contained and done according to all
regulations
thank you
mr myers
you've heard the comments and again
these these questions will be recorded
and answered in the final report
just just for council to consider uh
if you
have been into westbrook
where they've built those uh row houses
along highway two
yeah highway two there
again that's the type typical type of
residence where they say there's two
parking spots
and
as you can see they they are small uh
townhouses and there's nothing wrong
with townhouses
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the garage is full of everything but a
car
they have one car in the driveway
and they have cars and trucks lining
that
little street there
and that's exactly what's going to
happen with the ibi group project in
bath
it's these things that they say oh well
you've got two parking spots
one in the garage yeah right
i have a two-car garage and i have a
hard time getting my one car
uh with all the stuff one has and
collects
cooling lawnmowers and snowblowers and
so forth
but nevertheless i
i'm certainly uh
supportive of this type of group coming
in and wanting to do something to for
the betterment of bath and bringing new
people to bath
i just think that they're
they're being
overly
optimistic and thinking that
that many units could really have any
um
any uh
way it could uh
make bath
better
we have lots of uh places that are being
built as the former person spoke about
uh phase eight for one uh the new
subdivision that's going in beside fast
freddy's in that mall area up there
which is quite large as well
we're not really hard-pressed for those
types of
of
dwellings
being stuck in the middle of a
low-density uh area such as
what they're proposing now uh
like i say i certainly propose the
growth of bath and i'd like to see it
grow but i think they're just being over
optimistic in what they want the plan
there and they should really consider
about going back to the the drawing
board on this one thank you
thank you mr myers
okay
i come back to the clerk is there anyone
anything further anyone else that wishes
to speak
uh i have mr cunningham with his hand up
i'm not sure whether he's
and
i'll let's bring mr cunningham in verb a
brief comment and i will reiterate brief
he's removed his uh
oh he's removed his hand yes okay
thank you not seeing any uh nope nope
it's back up again
i'll give him one final option
okay should be able to unmute mr
cunningham if you can hear me you can
unmute and give us your final cut
thoughts oh i'm unmuted
go ahead okay i i would i'm thinking
that regarding the uh what mr meyer had
said and i totally agree
with them but it's
if they decide to build something in
there that's got to
it's got to be like what's there now
we're not i don't think we're already
against them building it's just what
they're going to build in there which
was which which is the big question
this is what all what i think
and that's i know there's a couple and i
think the environmental studies really
got really got to be looked at before
that that project goes
that's all i have to say
okay thank you very much mr cunningham
and you're welcome okay
anyone else
look at the final call oh we i see mr
hudayson's hand up again
hopefully they'll be able to chime in
are we able to bring them in madam clerk
um
they have to accept to come over i'm
trying to move them into the
okay we can see mr hudayson in the main
area
if he is able to unmute
he's welcome to provide us comments
mr hudeisen are you able to unmute
it might be gene as well mr dason
i'm not seeing them being able to unmute
we cannot hear you yet
so there will be a button um i'm just
asking them to unmute they should just
be able to tap on that and then be able
to speak
it looks like a microphone
on my screen anyway
yeah
there you are we can hear you joe
hello
can you hear me we can
oh mr reeve deputy reid
members of council
it's really uh really a pleasure to
address you again
now uh what i understand is that there's
been a lot of representation from
people in the area
and i haven't been able to speak to
anyone in the area who
really supports this this development
there are a lot of concerns
and as everybody stated
earlier the concerns
are about the quality of life in bath
the uh
the idea that it's a historical place
and that it's a smaller place with a lot
of uh memories
we're we're concerned about the density
even though
on paper
according to regulations
it could be a classified as a lower
density uh kind of a
uh development but that's a number
that's a matter of numbers not a matter
of lifestyle
i the other thing is the the whole
traffic study i agree with the
concerns that the other people have
brought up as well
in terms of other development of path
that's that's affecting
main street anybody coming out of
uh loyalist estates
turns east
and that's across the lane of traffic
that's going to be
still just as
awkward and prolific as it is now so it
raises a a problem there
i've been to other cul-de-sacs uh in
bath
and in atmosphere
and they're
they're cul-de-sacs that have single
resident single family residence
they have double driveways and still a
problem with parking
um
in this case
what's proposed is
two cars one under garage and one
in the driveway
but with the frontages such as they are
so small
there isn't a lot of room to park in a
cul-de-sac like that
and i've seen in cul-de-sacs here
that people park right in the middle
when they have company
the kind of development that's being
proposed here
was
idealized by the developer as something
for seniors i don't think that's
necessarily going to be the case i think
the market if those houses are
affordable we'll see young families with
children
and that cul-de-sac is going to turn
into a
playground the cul-de-sac the way it
looks on the land on the uh dimensions
opens up onto uh
the bath road main street
and there's no sidewalk leading to the
to the main street
that means that anybody coming out of
there including smaller people
uh just walk along the road
uh onto the bathroom sidewalks that's
that should be addressed
um
there
the number of other uh
uh concerns that that i've heard
are uh similar as well
uh there's there's a question of parking
that's the parking on main street the
traffic on main street
i don't know what
the developers
traffic study
arrived at but
i think and i think everybody that i've
spoken to
naturally see that there's going to be
an impact on the traffic in the area
and
everybody that i've spoken to feels like
a citizen of bat
in the neighborhood that they live in
and have enjoyed so much
so uh just reflecting what people have
told me here
uh and i'm sure that uh
all these
concerns have been submitted in writing
and uh and tabled at the open house so
thank you very much for your support
not support
i thought i was canvassing again
uh thank you very much for hearing me
and
i appreciate this opportunity to address
council
thank you mr judaism okay
there's any other further comments
madam clerk
uh sorry we have uh two people who have
uh spoken before uh the cunningham and
catherine murphy or
whoever
murphy i appreciate the enthusiasm i
will allow miss murphy to come back in
but mr cunningham's already had a couple
opportunities i think i'll cut it off
there but please bring ms murphy back in
for a final comment
i'm hoping right now that you can hear
me we can hear you
good and it was not me speaking
before
no
um so i'm
a lot of uh concerns
um i read the 116 pages of
of comments uh right at the very
beginning it said something that may be
really simple but it said that we have
schools
plural and really we don't we have one
and so the buses for all the separate
school kids and all the high school kids
uh
would be leaving the village so that's
another concern about that area it's
very very congested
and you know i liked what i think was
mrs mcintosh and odessa was talking
about is
is you know we moved to an area
um so we can hear the birds well right
now we hear traffic
and i i really
think that we would be making a huge
mistake for the village bath for the
historic
uh village of bath and i was part of
lockhack so i'm
you know
quite passionate about that is um we're
making a very big mistake that we won't
be able to undo
and so all my further comments are
written
but i would also uh move that we
are able to write in email in like the
odesk people are
for those that haven't been able to make
contact
absolutely miss murphy we would
encourage everyone to communicate as
much as possible uh as quickly as
possible as well
by email
or obviously through this public forum
thanks
thank you
what is the time frame um for this stuff
and i will turn to the director or miss
furnace
for what's the time frame on comments
yes through you mr mayor um the i mean
the the the planning act timelines our
comments can be submitted right up until
council makes a decision and passes a
bylaw um however um
i would just um caution everybody that
staff are currently in the technical
review of the of these applications so
um we would really like to be able to
incorporate um any public feedback into
consideration in our technical comments
back to the applicant um which were
which we're aiming to send back within
the month so
um
the sooner we can get those to um
consider any additional comments um to
our comments that are being currently
drafted right now it would be um very
helpful
thank you and one one more comment is
that um i understand that you send out
notices
and i was included in that because i'm
part of a radius
but i think in the village of
the radius really needs to be a whole
lot huger
because it is a village about bath it's
the historic village about it's not just
x amount of meters from
where the old anchor was
so i really feel that we've left out a
whole lot of people that have a whole
lot of passion
about this village
thank you for your comments miss murphy
and i will come back
wait a moment
council do we have any comments
there mrs murphy is now muted so that
should work better okay
do we have any other comments
and i'll turn to the clerk one last time
is there anyone new wishing to speak
to this public meeting
uh not that i see your worship
but that then i will move forward we
have a recommendation before us that
we'll receive all of these comments and
that a recommendation be brought forward
to council once the comments from the
departments the agencies and the public
have been addressed
and there's a motion to their
recommendation to that effect i would
look to counsel for a motion
i'll go to councillor budaric
that's where booter excel moved
okay do i have a seconder
counselor garden thank you
any comments
seeing none i'll call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
and he opposed motion is carried at this
time that brings us to the end of the
public meetings i would like to say
thank you to the audience members and
all of the speakers on on uh the various
type of the two topics uh i appreciate
your feedback they will be incorporated
into the reports and those will be
coming forward in a public manner before
council at some date in the future i'm
not sure exactly how long it will take
uh but to that end i do appreciate your
participation and fighting through the
technology that we're dealing with with
virtual meetings
so we come to the end of the public
meetings we move on to our agenda and
item 7
7.1 is the motion to adopt the agenda as
it's presented before us to the clerk is
there anything to add to the agenda at
this time
not that i'm aware of your worship thank
you council
are we happy with the agenda can we get
a motion to approve the agenda
counselor talented second by deputy
mayor
any comment all those in favor please
raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried is there any
declaration of binary interest in the
general nature thereof
and seeing
none
okay we'll move forward
first up uh delegations we have uh miss
kimberly with regard to the odessa
fairgrounds do we have miss kimberly in
the audience
i see mr field he's also associated with
the odessa egg society
if miss kimberly's not here perhaps we
can bring in mr field
yeah i've switched over he should be
able to speak now mr field we can see
you but you're muted right now so we
can't hear you
bear can you hear us now we can hear you
now is that florence
it is
welcome miss kimberly thank you
so thank you for your time this is
regarding um a call that we got from
utilities about a huge water bill at the
fairgrounds
after the call we immediately checked to
find no leaks no water damage so the
consumption did not make sense to us
as
we'd been closed since march of 220.
we shut the water off and called our
plumber mike carey who verified there
was no leaks all outside tops and water
lines to exterior buildings
are controlled from inside and they were
had been blown out and all shut off
uh loyalist utilities came and did a
download of the information from our
meter and provided us with a graph of
our usage which showed that we used in
excess of 235 cubic meters in one day
this translates to about four
tractor-trailer loads of water
which when you do the math that volume
is not possible to go through the meter
and water lines that we have
we paid a portion of the bill which
we believe was in keeping with our usual
bill
so we're asking council to forgive the
remaining portion of the bill not
because the oas cannot pay it but
because we feel there was a problem and
no one has been able to explain and we
want to have suggestions on moving
forward so it doesn't happen again
and we sent a letter to the utilities
saying that oh
the odessa agriculture society received
a bill of 2500 and 1845
and from loyalist township examination
of the fairgrounds water sewer system by
both oas maintenance people licensed
plumber and township workers
has not rece revealed any reason for the
puzzling huge increase in usage
the puzzling is the operative word
because due to cobid
it has resulted in cancellation of all
our scheduled events and activities at
the fairgrounds including the fair
since march of 220. even regular
cleaning of the buildings was suspended
the oas is managed by volunteers and are
striving to preserve the fairgrounds
into the future for the benefit of the
community
despite the lack of revenue from rentals
in the fair the oas is still responsible
for insurance maintenance and utility
expenses
based on the amount of our previous
bills we send a check for 515.54
to cover the
march 16th to may 15th billing
the oas respectfully asks that the
loyalist township forgive
the remainder of the
25-18-45 bill and worked with the oas to
determine the cause of the improbable
meter reading
so we want to thank you for considering
our request
okay thank you very much ms kimberly
and for the presentation i will turn to
council for questions
anyone on council wish to have
any further information
and i'm seeing none okay
and i will say miss kimberly i
appreciate that you have worked with our
utilities uh staff
to to attempt to resolve this puzzling
situation and uh i can't
agree that the
the uh
the ag society has been uh very
beneficial to the township over the
years council
we have a presentation
and what would you like to do with it
i'll go to the deputy
thank you
um i'd like to make a motion
to receive the delegation with thanks
and request staff to determine the
one-time unusual amount
of this invoice
and that the township provide relief of
that amount and that staff continue to
work with the agricultural society to
determine
the cause of
this anomaly if if
if it can be determined
even up to um checking the water meter
and replacing if
needed
does the clerk have clarity on that
motion
yes we can yes we will
thank you and thank you deputy do i have
a seconder
i'll go to councillor budaric thank you
deputy would you like to make comment
yes um thank you um
i just uh first off
i appreciate the fact that the township
staff and the agriculture society have
worked together so well trying to
determine what uh what did happen um
with nothing
solid
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i believe that this
with the agricult cultural society as
you say
um
they've been a great partner for the
community and for the township
they're open to all community events and
they're very
open to
um if there's a community event or or
something is needed that's going to
benefit the community
um in the past they've even relaxed
their fee schedule
to make sure that it is taken care of
so
i'd like to see it continue
they've also as was mentioned they're
going on two years with no income even
though they may not be out of money i i
think that this is uh
a great way that we can assist them to
make sure that they
do are able to weather the rest of this
closure and
be able to be here when we need them and
again i just thank i thank staff for
working with them as well to make sure
that
um it got to this point to be able to be
a delegation
thank you secondary did you have comment
uh just quickly i just uh would love the
staff report uh as requested by the
deputy just to
see what
might have triggered a one-time issue
because this may come up elsewhere in
the municipality if we can get ahead of
it that would be a great thing
thank you
any and anyone else wish to comment
anyone
i'm seeing no further comment
deputy do you want final
i think i was long-winded and no thank
you
thank you and then i'll call the
question all those in favor please raise
a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
thank you very much miss kimberly and mr
field for facilitating the uh the
technology
thank you very much for your help with
this
and thank you
and uh you have a good evening
moving forward to item 9.2
we have a presentation from
i believe it's amy gagne from food cycle
science to the clerk do we have ms gagne
uh it will be alex heyman i believe
that's doing the delegation
okay
mr hammond
welcome sir
hello
i do have a presentation are you able to
see it
council can receive that presentation
i'm seeing nods go ahead sir
okay so hello my name is uh alex heyman
i'm dialing in today from ottawa i'm
here today to talk about food waste and
how our company is piloting new
technology with 19 municipalities around
canada mostly in ontario and how we'd be
interested in exploring a potential
partnership with
loyalist township
uh we have connected with mayor bressi
in the past at an fcm event and have
been in contact with
staff
over the past year uh regarding several
informal uh discussions of a pilot
program and so we'd like to share more
information with council tonight and our
request at the end of this presentation
will be that
council asks staff to explore this
further
so food cycle science as i mentioned
we're based out of ottawa and our
company is focused on music technology
to solve the problem of food waste
recently we've started partnering with
many municipalities in canada to offer a
solution for food waste diversion
in the storm on dundas and glengarry
area you're now working with three
municipalities there which are south
stormont south dundas and south
glengarry and those will be interesting
references because they're fairly close
to loyalists
in the direct to consumer space we work
with brands including vitamix breville
and sage and we also have a line of
commercial food cycler machines
as you know food waste is a big problem
today and anywhere from 25 to 50 percent
of the waste our houses produce is
organic waste food waste is very heavy
and we spend a lot of money on food that
is ultimately wasted
it's a significant problem for
greenhouse gas emissions because once
food waste reaches the landfill it
decomposes anaerobically and releases
harmful methane gases methane was a big
discussion at the recent cop26
conference and so it's a very uh
interesting topic right now
municipalities spend a lot of money on
landfills and waste management and as
our landfills continue to fill up those
costs will only continue to rise and
thus
it'd be good idea to investigate
all methods available for diversion
there's the environmental side
again the methane gas being produced and
finally there's the community aspect
that having food waste in the garbage
attracts animals creates odors and if we
can get that out of the garbage and
diverted
you got less animals you have less waste
you may even not have to collect the
garbage as often
a lot of people say to us haven't we
solved this already can't we just get
green bins like a city like kingston has
well yes in a lot of communities are
considering solutions such as green bins
however they tend to work best in large
cities with economies of scale and
residents don't always like them for
example sudbury recently implemented a
green bin program in the participation
rate was very very low
contamination is an issue there's more
trucks on the road for doing collection
which leads to safety concerns and
ultimately it's not something that
everybody buys into
it can work but it's expensive and not
everybody likes it
there's backyard composting which is
great and i like to thank everybody who
is backyard composting please continue
to do so
um it's a great option but again it's
not for everybody and many of those at
backyard compost aren't doing it during
the winter
and lastly there's a landfill that's not
a great solution for a number of reasons
so we've done at foodcycler is we've
created a countertop appliance about the
size of a bread machine
and the way it works is you put your
food waste into the bucket you put the
bucket into the machine and a few hours
later
your food waste has been reduced in
weight and volume by 90
leaving you with a dry sterile and
odorless soil amendment that many folks
use for gardening
landscaping can be composted or
exploring pelletizing it into home
heating fuel there's a lot of
applications for this material but
overall
it's a very simple clean and easy
process and we're learning in all our
pilot programs with municipalities in
canada that residents like it because
it's super easy
in terms of the environmental impact
we're able to reduce our greenhouse gas
emissions from food waste by upwards of
95
versus sending it to landfill which is
quite significant
we're able to offer considerable cost
savings versus sending
our food waste to a municipal landfill
or to private sector disposal
and lastly we're helping municipalities
comply with environmental regulations
that
are coming in the next few years
the mystery of environment conservation
and parks has listed a food waste policy
statement that is
asking more municipalities to have
diversion systems for food waste in
place over the next few years
and we hear from residents that they're
interested in being part of the solution
they want their local government to come
to them with solutions to help address
this challenge
a quick touch on a pilot project this is
one of our older ones in the city of
nelson in bc
with 250 households we're able to divert
25 tons of food waste over a three-month
period
diversion continues to this day
residents really liked it
4.5 at a 5-star rating with less than 1
saying they would not recommend it to
others
lots of learnings from this pilot
program as well that we've taken and
adopted into our programs and i think
the number of municipalities buying into
this is evidence of that success
recently from the federal government we
were awarded a grant through the impact
canada food waste reduction challenge
it's a multi-stage project with these
grants we're able to help offset the
cost of pilot programs to municipalities
that want to try out this technology
and if we're successful in future stages
of the challenge there will be funding
to help scale up these projects so
currently we're in stage one and there's
two more stages to this program
within our pilot program we have a
12-week program where residents purchase
a food cycler from the municipality at a
subsidized rate use the food cycler for
12 weeks and then report their usage and
fill out a survey at the end it's a very
quick
process that allows the municipality to
get data
very quickly and with minimal staff time
required
for municipalities that started the
program in august we're now reporting
final data back to them and doing the
final reports so it's a very
quick process to get some good data
about food waste generation in the
community
in terms of pilot size typically we
recommend starting about 100 households
and that comes with a cost municipality
of about 10 thousand dollars
and the way the pricing breaks down is
in the chart on the right so the device
has a 500
retail price our company plus the
federal grant cuts that in half
we then look for the municipality to
subsidize a hundred dollars which leaves
the resident to cover 150 dollars to
participate in the pilot program
that seems to be the sweet spot between
keeping it accessible to as many people
as possible but not placing an undue
burden on taxpayers to subsidize this
we found it's worked very well with all
of the other municipalities we work with
now
so thank you very much for your time and
considering this idea our request would
be that council refer this to staff for
further consideration and i welcome any
questions from you thank you
thank you very much alex
council do we have questions with regard
to the presentation
i'll go to the deputy
thank you through you um
you i know you presented it tonight as a
municipal incentive um are these uh
available to anyone if they wanted one
outside of this program if just a
resident wanted to buy one at full price
they are they can be purchased through
our partner in the direct-to-consumer
market which is vitamix just through
vitamix.com however by working with
municipalities we're able to achieve
significant economies of scale and bring
the costs down to residents
okay thank you
thank you
anyone else have comment or question
counselor gordon go ahead
um that
hundred dollar cost
uh to the homeowner is based on it was
it 2500
units or no how many families
so that was based on a hundred
households participating and the
municipality subsidizing a hundred
dollars per household
so if if only uh if we get into serious
numbers where
we've got roughly seven thousand
five hundred households i think
if we get into four and five thousand
uh numbers like uh
does the cost go down even more
so there's certainly around 100 bucks
i'd say there's certainly further
economies of scale that could be
achieved what we found with the pilot
programs we keep the size very low to
test the concept directly in the
community and if there is success we'd
work with you to find grants that could
fund the expansion there's a lot of
money out there right now particularly
from the federal government through the
green municipal fund that supports this
and as several of our communities are
wrapping up pilots with positive results
that's the angle we're taking to fund
the expansion so that hopefully the cost
to a resident to participate
would eventually be zero and no out of
pocket cost just like many would expect
with a green vent type program
okay
thank you councillor parks go ahead
who are you mr mayor um to the presenter
just looking
when you run the program how long does
the program normally run for like the
pilot program is i'm sorry if i missed
that
we recommend a 12-week pilot program
and that's what we've done uh in the
past though we're certainly open to
exploring a longer or shorter program
based on what staff would recommend for
your community
thank you
can i follow up go ahead um to the
director
um i believe we're in the process of
looking at all the options at this point
and i just sort of wondered what that
timeline was for looking at alternatives
to
the garbage and recycling that's coming
up
mrs mcfarlane are you able to comment
there we are
um through you mr mayor um
we are as
mr heyman
spoke we have been in contact
over the last year with um with this
company
we do have staff that are working to
bring back
the results of the actual surveys that
were done and some different options for
us
and when we were meeting today we
we have to look at those contracts and
probably in the summer we'll be looking
at um
redoing the the waste collection
contracts and at that time or doing the
tenders and at that time we um
we will hope to have been able to do
some more public consultation and come
back with some different options
okay
thank you
any other comments or questions
i'm seeing no further questions
mr hammond has
posited a a recommendation if you will
that uh this be
we authorize staff to continue working
with the organization
uh to explore the the this pilot or or
the options around this
council would you like to make a motion
i'll go to council parks
moved
so move does the clerk have clarity
yes yes worship thank you and i believe
i saw counselor buddha chan for
seconding
thank you movers you have to comment
second or comment
no anyone else have comment on this
saying no further comment i'll call the
question all those in favor please raise
a hand
any opposed
motion is carried thank you
and thank you mr hammond
thank you very much mayor and council
which brings us to the end of
delegation's presentations
we move to
item 10 adoption of minutes
confirmation of the minutes of the 57th
session of council from november the 8th
and are there any noted errors or
remissions in these minutes
i'm seeing none can i get a motion to
approve
counselor gordon seconded by the deputy
any comments
i'll call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
cancer attendant were you opposed to
that
sorry i'm just not trying to highlight
i'm just
i think there might be a delay in the in
the internet
there there is a delay in your worship
but i was in favor
thank you
and moving forward to the office of the
chief administrator
and mr silver is here we have a report
before us as our 1902
the acceptance of the gifted property
and purchase mr silver do you have uh
anything to highlight or or add to this
report
i don't have anything to add to worship
and thank you council do we have any
questions with regards to this
i'm seeing no questions
we have a recommendation in the report
to accept the gift to agree to purchase
and
the staff you directed to begin the
public consultation
and
that's the recommendation do we have
anyone wishing to make a motion
counselor town and go ahead
and you worship i moved to receive the
report and adopt recommendations one
through three
two and three thank you do i have a
second or for that
councilor gordon thank you
any comment from the mover
uh only to uh to thank the cio for the
report and that uh that islanders are uh
are excited to uh to be engaged on uh
and consulted on on what will uh will
happen with both of those properties
thank you secondary do you have comment
anyone else have comment
saying no further comments i will add
our
expression of thanks to uh
the gowans for the donation of the
property it is greatly appreciated they
are great community members
with that i will call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed motion is carried
we move to item 13
business services treasury department
13.1 is the 2022 water sewer user rates
we have a report before us and we have
mr dickey before us mr dickey do you
have anything you'd like to highlight in
this report or add to it
good evening nothing to add to it mr
mayor through you um
we do have the deputy treasurer and
senior financial analyst available who
did most of the analysis
on the rates so there is a choice
or a couple of options for counseling
the motion but uh we'll be willing to
receive any questions
thank you
council do we have questions
for either the treasurer or the uh the
deputy or the senior analyst
i'm seeing no questions
again as the treasurer highlighted we do
have some options within the
recommendations
there's no questions i will look to
council to make a motion to identify an
option counselor budaric go ahead
these are very welcoming uh options um
and since they obviously make uh
financial sin uh sense or they wouldn't
be put before us i would love to go with
option b
um as uh
that is one of the two hot topic buttons
i hear the most from my constituents um
that uh
our water rates are increase
crazy in comparison to uh other
municipalities and uh
like i said it wouldn't be an option if
it wasn't in front of us and i'd like to
take an opportunity to run with it thank
you
so your motion is to receive the report
and adopt recommendation b no change in
rates
yes sir
thank you do i have a second or for that
councilor parks thank you
mover any further comment
uh like the deputy said earlier i was
long-winded enough in the first time
around thank you
thank you councillor parks you're the
secondary would you like to make comment
uh i just wanted to reiterate what uh
council broderick has said uh our rates
are are
extremely expensive so it's nice to see
that we have this option
thank you
anyone else wish to make comment
seeing no further comments oh sorry
deputy go ahead thank you
um the one thing that i want to point
out and which causes me concern is that
with with this uh
um
the income has to come some from
somewhere so in the report it says that
there'll be a reduction in capital
um
which means the maintenance and upkeep
and
advancements in our systems
will lag behind
if
this option is uh
goes through
thank you
and
any other comments
and
i'm seeing no comments no further
comments
right
back to the mover
no
uh yeah i'd just like to reiterate the
fact that um i'm only bringing this
forward because it was an option for us
and and and i agree with the deputy on
what he's saying um however uh
it wouldn't be brought to us if it
wasn't
possible is all i'm trying to say that's
why it was going with option b but that
is it okay thank you
with that i will call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
and counselor gordon i can't see you
right now okay hand is up okay thank you
all right any opposed
thank you motion is carried
move forward to item 13.2
2022 escalation of frontage fees
and we again we have the treasury with
us
okay do you have anything to add or
highlight in this report
mr mayor nothing at this time
it's time council do we have any
questions
seeing no questions
i'll look for a motion
deputy go ahead
move to receive and adopt the
recommendation
receiving adopt do i have a second or
for that
counselor gordon seconds thank you
deputy any comment
second or any
comment anyone else have comment on this
motion
seeing none i'll call the question all
those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed motion is carried we move to
item 13.3 operating status is at
september 30th
year-end projections and capital works
in progress in progress
again mr
mr dickey is here do you have anything
to highlight within this report sir
um through you mr merritt um
just um
we are projecting a bit of a surplus
again this year so just really mainly
the highlights in the report but
um i think there have been
with a pandemic and
delay in getting hiring going over the
last couple years we have been slow at
filling some of the positions and
replacing positions so
that has created the bulk of the
kind of the projected surplus for this
year but
um just for council's awareness we have
been
closing that gap and i think by the end
of this year the
virtually all those positions
are will be filled so we'll be
that um that gap should be there next
year we are catching up with the hiring
that needs to be done over the last
couple years so that will
um that will help without going forward
thank you
council do we have any questions with
regards to this deputy go ahead
just want to confirm um
i believe if i read it correctly there's
going to be some of the losses that are
going to be reviewed for
whether it can be funded through the
reopening ontario funding
am i correct that at the end of the year
things like the fees
the lost fees
whether it's ferry transit recreation
they'll all be reviewed for
potential funding from the other levels
of government
through you mr mayor
um yeah yeah so we we do um
we do still have that we've been we've
received funding that we're holding on
to so we will
be required to report back at the end of
the year
with um kind of results the extra costs
the lost revenue according to the pen
because of the pandemic
the one thing we're not sure because we
have surpluses in other areas
the way the for funding has appeared to
work so far is if you've offset some of
your extra costs
through other savings
we're not sure how much of that funding
will be eligible to receive
last year we did we were able to take
some of the money into offset ferry fees
in 2020
so we will look at that again
so so that money is available to us if
we need it we're just at this point
until we do the year-end filing we're
not sure exactly how much of it will be
eligible for but it is there available
for us if we need it
thank you
any other questions with regard to this
report
i'm seeing no further questions
and do i have a motion
anyone oh deputy go ahead
move to receive and adopt the
recommendation question to receive and
adopt do i have a seconder
and cancer town in
yes okay
so very quickly right any any comments
mover seconder
no anyone else have comment
i'm seeing no comments
i'll call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed
promotion is carried
forward to
13.4
2022 escalation of imposed growth fees
and you're really providing us with a
lot of reports tonight mr dickey
do you have anything to add or highlight
all right
it's okay
um through you nothing in addition to
what's in the report
just if anyone has questions
thank you council do you have questions
seeing none
and
do i have a motion
counselor town him so moved
moving the recommendation do i have a
seconder
deputy thank you any comments from the
mover and seconder
any comments from anyone else
i'm seeing none
i will call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
and we move to the america scholarship
fund 2021.
annual report
we have a recommendation
do i have any
mr dickey do you have anything to add to
it at this time
now through you mr mayor nothing
unfortunately the there have been a lot
of donations this year and of course our
investment income rate is
as a historic low so we don't have as
much to distribute unfortunately it is a
nice program it's it's great for
for students to be able to get a little
bit of extra money so it's unfortunately
not a lot this year but
we are proposing to distribute as as per
the intent of the trust
absolutely thank you
any questions
seeing no questions i'll look for a
motion
counselor town and so moved to the
recommendation
and counselor brew direct seconds
thank you mover and seconder have
comment
and counselor tannen
did you have go ahead just my
congratulations to all those recipients
excellent thank you anyone else have
comment
i'll call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
we move to the community and customer
services department item 14.1 the bath
gardening club request to waive fees
i see that ms miss mcfarland is coming
on screen we have a report before us
do you have anything to highlight or to
add in this report
uh nothing further your worship thank
you
council do you have any questions
i'm seeing no questions we do have a
recommendation including two options or
not two options but two uh points
council what would you like to do with
the recommendation
deputy
i have to receive and adopt the
recommendation motion to receive and
adopt do i have a seconder
council parks thank you
any comments from the mover or seconder
no
anyone else
seeing none i'll call the question all
those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
item 14.2 the interesting years seniors
club request to adjust fees
more covid challenges as mcfarland
okay do you have anything to add or to
highlight in this report
nothing further your worship thank you
does anyone have a question about this
report
i'm seeing no questions again we have a
recommendation before us
council what would you like to do with
it
and did i see your hand kessler goodrich
thank you you're so moved
do i have a seconder
counselor gordon thank you
mover comment second or comment nothing
nothing anyone else have comment
seeing none
and i'll call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed motion is carried
we move to item 14.3 a report regarding
the bath park's garage
ms mcfarland do you have anything to uh
comment on this report
uh the only thing your worship that i'd
like to uh point out is that
unfortunately the uh
through some staff turnover this uh
issue wasn't um addressed and
when our new parks and manager or parks
and facilities manager started
she
worked to address it and meet with the
resident and
listen to the concerns and has tried to
change some operating
uh practices to see if we could
alleviate the um
some of the the concerns that were
expressed
so we i i'm just apologizing for it
being so long coming back to council
thank you very much
council do i have any questions
counselor parks go ahead
through you mr mayor to the uh director
um has the resident provided any
feedback since you've made some of those
amendments or changes to some of the
processes or the operation just wondered
if there'd been any feedback
um through you mr mayor not to my
knowledge
um
they they have not provided feedback
anyone else have a question
i don't think so
can i get a motion please
council parks go ahead
sorry um just to
where are you going to find it
to uh receive it and remain status quo
thank you
all of us do i have a secondary
councilor buderic thank you any comments
from the mover or seconder
no
anyone else
i'll call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed motion not available
to the clerk
you missed the uh corporate services
your worship oh
my apologies i skipped over right
happens to be the clerk's own items
at item 15.1 before we get to ms merritt
uh the pound services agreement renewal
okay we have the report before us madam
clerk do you have anything to highlight
or to add to this report
uh it's just it we did a pilot project
on it last year you worship they've had
some changes in greater napanee but we
have reached out and and we're uh giving
it another
go for this year uh
we haven't heard any negative from it so
i think it's a win-win uh partnership
with greater napanee on this
thank you
council do we have uh comments or
questions
i'm seeing none can i get a motion
please
deputy go ahead and receive and adopt
the recommendation so i moved do i have
a seconder
counselor bootrick thank you
any comments from the mover and seconder
no anyone else
saying none i'll call the question all
those in favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
now we can come to economic growth and
community development services
as merit we have the crca lidar project
partnership report before us
do you have anything to add to it
uh through you your worship actually i'd
like to clarify i typically write um you
know like not just the acronym but what
it actually means
so i've been asked that question today
so lidar basically stands for light
detection and ranging
um processor that's a technology that
gives us really high resolution models
of ground elevation so we do have some
lidar information for the township but
it some of it is outdated
the technology is a little bit better
now
and also it's going to help us fill some
gaps in our data
so now that i've said that actually i
need to make a small uh update um
i need to know that um in the attached
agreement in the attached bylaw so it's
page 640 of your of your agenda
in item 3.2 it gives a
the installment has to be paid by
december 1st 2021
staff actually requested crca to amend
their agreement to say march 31st 2022
to give us an opportunity to budget for
it in 2022 if council supports
this partnership with crca so that's a
very small change i have the updated
bylaw the updated agreement uh for the
clerk
i will send over but if if you're
agreeing to the change we'll just
send the revised bylaw
okay thank you council do we have any
questions from his merit
doesn't look like it we all understood
lidar
right so we have a recommendation to uh
you know enter into an agreement with
the crca
with the modification to the
agreement as presented changing the date
do i have a mover for that or any or
however you'd like to make a motion
deputy go ahead
move to receive and adopt the
recommendation with the bylaw as amended
thank you councillor budrick your second
any comment from the mover and seconder
no
anyone else
seeing none i will call the question all
those in favor please raise a hand
and the opposed
motion is carried
item 16.2 the development approval
process project status
we have a report
before us i do note that the
recommendation has an ore
uh but i will go to the director
anything to highlight
uh no there's nothing to highlight uh
your worship
and thank you
council
and do we have any comments or questions
with regards to this report
seeing none right does anyone want to
make the motion
deputy go ahead
move to receive and adopt the
recommendation item two
item two
thank you
do i have a seconder for that
oh counselor gordon thank you
all right
move or comment just with the uh
with with the partnering with the county
moving forward i think it'll be really
good for us to finish that process then
we'll be able to move forward if we do
need additional staffing or whatever it
is required or whatever scope of uh
work for
additional staff or current staff that
can all be determined once we have a
good process in place
you seconder comment
no anyone else have comment
i'm seeing none i'll call the question
all those in favor please raise a hand
and he opposed motion is carried
we go to 16.3 request for road closing
and uh i'm not gonna get into the
details there we have the report before
us
and we have ms merritt
do you have a comment to make
uh no no further comment to make your
worship
council do we have questions
counselor budaric go ahead
counselor bootrick did you have a
question
yeah i was just trying to meet my uh my
apologies your worship um
just a quick question on the option
number three i know it's probably
further down in the uh report and uh and
i get that i read down to where it was
but i was just curious to the uh
reasoning from staff as why option three
would be included in the recommendations
um that the the one resident would not
be allowed to purchase the property
um just a little more rational than
what's actually in writing that's all
thank you ms merritt
so through your worship actually uh
because this is a technical planning
question very good question by the way
i'm gonna defer to i'm going to let our
planning staff respond
and i see him as both miss furnace and
mr casemore in the audience who wants to
take it thank you maddie
sorry
kessler parks
oh sorry sorry
okay i'll go to miss furnace
yes uh through you mr mayor um
so yeah essentially our road closing
policy um currently right now which is
outdated and doesn't comply with like
current municipal act requirements um it
does require the township to
you know advise the any adjacent
property owners to a road allowance
that's going to be closed in order to
make them aware so if they are
interested then they they could make
potentially their own applications so in
this case we have received an
application from the property owner on
bath road um the rationale for staff not
recommending that that portion um be
sold to that property owner is because
the entire
um the entire
area there is designated industrial in
the official plan and it's also zoned
general industrial um
including the residential property um so
essentially when we're reviewing the
selling of township property um we're we
are recommending it be given to the
other property owner the entire piece
and that um the other land holding isn't
is also an industrial property and it's
proposing industrial uses
um
the other property is a residential
property so it's it's a legal
non-conforming use um our official plan
speaks to any land use that doesn't
conform to land use designations in in
the official plan um in general should
cease to exist over over time in the in
the long term um however in special
circumstances we can consider extension
extending or enlarging these types of
properties um specifically said to avoid
unnecessary hardship um so where these
have kind of typically been considered
is for example if
if a well is straddling lot lines
or where we mostly see these is if
someone has a legal non-conforming
residential structure and they want to
expand um you know have an accessory
structure because they want to detach
garage on it then you know we could
entertain expanding the use that way but
but typically not entertaining um
expanding a residential property in an
industrial area due to the conflicting
land uses um so that's um the other
thing to note as well is it wouldn't be
permitted as of right so if council did
choose to to want to
proceed with offering on that portion of
the road allowance um to this property
owner it would have to be contingent
upon getting committee of adjustment
approval as a planning act application
is required to enlarge
a non-conforming use
to provide your answer cancer booner
it was fantastic answer thank you very
much thank you
any other questions with regard to this
report
i'm seeing no further questions do i
have a mover
we have a recommendation with uh
four parts
anyone
counselor bootrick go ahead
um i would uh with that great
explanation except the recommendations
so one through four
thank you
and so moved do i have a seconder
counselor gordon thank you
any comments from the mover and
secondary
anyone else have comment
seeing none i will call the question all
those in favor please raise a hand
and he
opposed motion is carried
we move forward we get to
something under emergency
notices of motion or direct motion is
there anyone on council that wishes to
put forward a notice of motion or
request a direct motion
i'm seeing no such new hands
so we come to the consent agenda for the
purpose of convenience and for
expediting meetings matters of business
that are repetitive or routine in nature
included in the consent agenda and all
such matters
of business contained in the consent
agenda are voted on collectively a
particular matter of business may be
singled out from the consent agenda for
debate or for separate vote upon the
request of any member of council
in the case of a separate vote the
excluded matter of business is severed
from the consent agenda each and every
matter of business contained in the
consent agenda is recorded separately in
the minutes of the meeting is there
anything that any member of council
wishes to extract from the consent
agenda
deputy go ahead
item 23.3 the province-wide property
assessment update postponement
23.3
anything else that anyone wishes to
separate
deputy eric councillor guard my
counselor town sorry
uh
22.4 your worship
okay anything else from anyone
i'm seeing no further
extractions and i'll ask for a motion on
the consent agenda without the
extractions
go to the deputy and counselor town and
seconding
and anything further any comments
i'll call the question on the consent
agenda all those in favor please raise a
hand
and the opposed motion is carried
we move to 22.4
which is the renewable energy fund grant
review committee applications
council 10 and you ask for that to be
separated
yes thank you worship i just have um a
question uh
to the author in the report
it says
applications for the first funding
period of the renewable energy fund
grant will be available january 3rd 2022
and due no later than february 1st 2022
elsewhere in the report it indicated
that there
had only been one application for the
subcommittee for awards two and three
uh and that uh it was going to be
re-advertised so am i to understand
based on the beginning of the
application period in january
that the applications will will be
received and sort of essentially put
on hold until uh until that subcommittee
hopefully gets members that apply uh is
that the correct understanding
to the clerk uh through your worship uh
yes so
basically we have enough applications in
for
the award one uh committee subcommittee
uh what we'll be doing is just
re-advertising for award two uh three um
um for the for the subcommittee uh we
will be still proceeding with
advertising again for the community
grants uh we believe uh by the tie-in um
from when the applications are done
we'll be still proceeding through that
with a closed session report with the
applications going to council on
december 13th hopefully we will
get at least the minimum amount if not
more for the other subcommittee that
will go
uh my understanding would be or the
proposal would be if we don't we would
still proceed with the uh the committee
that has enough and then it would be a
direction from council on how they want
to proceed if we don't receive enough uh
the applications for the grant would be
coming in uh by the end um
sorry by february first of the end of
january and then they would be going to
the subcommittee they'd be in play by
then uh to do their review and coming to
council for recommendations
okay
yes your worship i'm prepared to make a
motion to
did anyone else have a question with
regard to that report
saying none counselor town and go ahead
with your motion
i move to receive for information
motion to receive for information do i
have a seconder
counselor broderick thank you
any comments
seeing none from anyone i'll call the
question on 22.4 all those in favor
please raise a hand
any opposed motion is carried we move to
23.3
property assessment update postponement
and the deputy asked for this to be
separated go ahead sir yes i'm prepared
to make a motion to
receive and support
motion to receive and support and do i
have a secondary for that
counselor gordon thank you deputy would
you like to make comment yeah this is
just uh
this is bothersome for me that uh
it's just extended for an extra two
years with really no explanation that
the property assessments aren't going to
be updated um
it's going to make it that we're going
to be working on
valuations that are 8 years old
which i realize as far as us setting a
budget
we we base we base our budgets on
whatever we're provided with so that's
all we can work with and we're that's
defendable
but um
any potential impacts to residents is
going to be compounded by the extended
period of time
i don't want to get back to the point
where we're basically working with mill
rates i'd like to stay current and be
able to defend
our actions by saying that we are
dealing with current assessment values
provincially as provided by the province
and right now by the end of eight years
that statement
isn't really going to be able to be made
anymore so if there's properties that
have escalated in price and when it
finally is evaluated um there's going to
be some residents that are going to be
very unhappy
and i just i'd like to see it taken care
of before then
thank you
so i can turn the other comment
no anyone else have comment
seeing no further comment the motion is
to receive and support
i will call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
thank you thank you both for pulling
those out
let me move forward to
new business updates from members
appointed to county council committees
and their local boards is there anything
that any member of council wishes to
bring forward from one of their
appointed board committees
deputy go ahead
if i may um
i i attended
this i actually attended on behalf of
the county but i represented the county
from the township so i'm going to bring
it here as well because it it relates to
our municipality i did a tour of the
lafarge plant um
with uh with some of the lafarge
representatives from the committee um
that we also have counselor parks sits
on the committee as well and uh
it was really impressive to see the
amount of energy the money
that's gone into that uh facility
and
for the betterment of our residents but
also for the betterment of the
environment some of the things that
they've brought into place they're
they're making use of uh material that
would otherwise be in landfill
um and making it a a viable fuel option
and also using um ammonia to be able to
basically reduce the greenhouse gas
emissions
um
then
instead of putting out gases you're
basically putting out moisture and to
see the technology in place it's pretty
uh for me with my background in
engineering i mean
i love it that's my thing is to to try
and figure out how this stuff works and
and be able to look at it
that way so um it's not completed yet
it's going to be going on for at least
one more year because as the remainder
has been done during shutdown um
but uh they've put millions and millions
of dollars into this and uh
it's it's it's better for everyone when
it's the environment and it's good for
our township when it helps our residents
thank you for bringing that forward
is there anything else anyone wishes to
bring forward from their committees or
local boards
i'm seeing none
and
we move to
members privilege is there anything that
we would like to bring forward under
members privilege
council
none
okay then we move to the confirmatory
bylaw
anyone wish to make that motion
i'll take councillor buderick and the
deputy
any comment
call the question all those in favor
please raise a hand
any opposed
motion is carried
okay
upcoming meeting dates on december the
6th we are scheduled for committee the
adjustment and community of the whole
budget
december the 9th we will have another
community of the whole budget
for a council meeting on december the
13th
are there any other meetings to make
note of
i see none
and we will call and then i will call
for a motion to adjourn
counselor budaric so move counselor town
in seconds
any comment
i'll call the question all those in
favor please raise a hand
and the opposed motion is carried we are
adjourned and we did get it in before 10
o'clock we didn't have to make that
special motion have a great evening
folks i thank you all for sticking with
it and to our audience we appreciate
your attendance as well and have a great
evening and the rest of your week