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I aliance to the flag of the United
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for it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and justice for

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I saw him in the
>> um so going to open the assessor's

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meeting. We don't have assessor tonight.
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» Well, okay.
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» give her a minute.
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» G.

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candy. Lots of it.

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» I don't think anything on the agenda.
>> Yes, it is.

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» I came while we're waiting for
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» Yes.
>> We're going to jump a little bit ahead

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while we're waiting for Joanne. Um we're
going to go down to the old business. Um

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the town administrator public comment
update. I wanted to let people know that

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um I want to acknowledge that I was
incorrect in my statement um at the last

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meeting when I stated that only agenda
items can be discussed during the public

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comment period. I read the shortened
version that was provided by AMMA and

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did not go and look for the entire
article. Um

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I did see it does state that as at a
minimum public comment must be allowed

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for agenda items at a minimum. Um, and
the board has full discretion to allow

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or not allow other topics during public
comment. So, I did simply the board an

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email saying, "I apologize for um saying
that. If I had done my research like I

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normally do, I would have seen the
two-page column instead of the shortened

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version that they put in the magazine to
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» Honest mistake.
>> What's the catalyst behind that, though?

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What What initiated that?
>> That was I found it in the MMA.

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» No. Why didn't you go looking? I didn't
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catalog comes out since I've been here
is tax collective way back the first

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thing I went to I open up the back and
go to the legal notes

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» that was in there back in September.
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» Never really paid much attention to it.
Um and then it seemed to be coming the

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meetings were
I don't want to say unruly being

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interrupted by the same by the same old
issue. Yeah. That had already been

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decided at previous meetings and at
previous out of

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» other meetings not slack and it just
seemed you know why keep beating the

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dead horse when you can not stop it but
just settle it a little.

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» So where my mind goes though is like
who's running the meeting?

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» Is it you or is it Carol?
>> It should be the chair that's like

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» Yeah. So then that's where my mind goes.
Why did you go and do that?

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» Because
>> you were at that meeting and she stopped

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the comment. I guess I should have said
and stop.

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» Yes, I understand. I guess she I guess I
guess I I deferred to her interpretation

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of it and I was kind of like, okay. But
then we immediately did research and I

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said, "Hey, that's not what it read." I
I went and read it again. It doesn't say

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that. It says you have exactly what
she's saying. I'd like to uh for us to

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consider this evening even for the next
agenda to have at the beginning public

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comment for things that are not on the
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» Isn't that just public?
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» but public comment is usually stuff.
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» Yeah.
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article anyway. Well, that's a great
idea and in in another couple of weeks

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there'll be a new board that you can
present that to. So, I think maybe we'll

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just
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» Um, but we have always in the last 12
years I've been on here let everybody

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talk on agenda items when the agenda was
being discussed, not at the end because

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what's the point of talking about
something on the agenda at the end when

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we've already decided on something. So,
I don't think I've ever stopped anybody

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from speaking.
Yes, Bravita.

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» Oh, hi. Um, so I'm just Well, first of
all, I appreciate so much the open

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public comment because that is such a
democratic crisis in here. So, I have

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appreciated that. Um, I'm just trying to
straighten something out because on the

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day of the last select board meeting,
which was July 15th, I came into the

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office and registered my trailer and I
paid my sewer bill. I also picked up an

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agenda and on that agenda it clearly
said public comment. Then I came into

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the select board meeting in the evening
and then it said on the agenda public

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comment by agenda items only. And I'm
just trying to figure out between during

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the day when I was in the office to this
what happened and why did that happen?

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» I can answer that. I was asked
to have the article that I printed off

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everybody highlighted at that meeting.
I was not asked by anybody to put that

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on there. I put that on the public
comments only

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for agenda items. I did send the chair a
picture of it and she was fine with it.

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» I didn't It's my fault. I didn't read
it. I I've always had public comic in 12

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years and I've always called on you and
John and anybody else with her hands up.

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» So then I I don't I don't know because I
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to be pertaining to agenda items and I
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happened and it was one meeting and it
it was a mistake.

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» Okay. Well, I thank you for saying that
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» and you you didn't even say for public
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» you you want to know why that was
unbelievably insulting that as a

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taxpayer I was not allowed to speak
openly. Okay. But anyway, getting back,

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you know, ultimately, Carol, I
appreciate what's just being said by

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both of you. Um, but ultimately, like
you said in the meeting, no public

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comment. Ultimately, you were in charge.
You're the sole person in charge of the

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agenda and you are leading this town.
You are leading this town and

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» who's lead what?
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» and ultimately you know I would have
hoped that you would have said I would

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have hoped you're the leader of the
town. I would have hoped that you would

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have said you know what Susette
absolutely no way. There is no way we're

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going to put this on.
>> So anyway I thank you for both of what

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here. Just a sec. One minute John.
When John Dan Wagner and I got on 12

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years ago on this board, the previous
board, zero public comment. They had

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taken it completely off. Now, you had
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a um
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like we have now.
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comments at the end. Maybe at the end.
Okay. So, that I may be wrong with that.

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» Go ahead then, John.
So, um, you know, I can't help to think

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that, uh, this change to the public
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came after some meetings in which, uh,
the select board chair was answering

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some tough questions on her residency,
um, government homestead exemption and

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also the $150 per month for the Harbor
Office lease. Um, are those things

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connected? Did one lead to the was one?
not to me because every time you came

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and I let you speak even though you
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since we're discussing your um
objections to things

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» in your letter in the paper I would like
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My lease was approved of by the entire
town for 5 years for the price that it

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was whether it was it was $1,800. If the
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town could have asked. So they did not.
It was approved of and there's really no

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discussion there because it was
unanimously voted on

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» and the price wasn't included on the
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» It was included when someone asked and
it was on the warrant. So if you wanted

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to know what it was, you had to come to
the meeting and really people all should

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come to the annual town meeting. We
never get anybody to come unless there's

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some conflictual thing on there. And
secondly about my voting residence.

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My voting residence has been the same
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I actually ran it by the assessor
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about it because I have a prenuptual
agreement which says that Ralph's house

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is his and my house is mine and we had
them before we got married. I have no

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there's no other person on my deed. And
the requirements for homestead is you

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have to put the sole person on your
deed. You have to come and go. You have

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to live there and come and go as you
please. You can leave when you want.

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Come back. You have to pay your taxes.
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» Carol.
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all of the things that were published.
>> You know what? This

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» Let me finish.
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» All right. This should be at the end of
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» No, they started asking questions and
I'm going to answer.

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» You know what?
I I am a person who is totally against

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someone out of town running for public
office in this town. I've been against

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it for 33 years and I'm still against
it. When you you don't have when you

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have to be in your principal residence,
you're a principal residence and not is

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not on
>> that. That is my voting and principal

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residence
is not here.

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» I'm sorry. It's not your principal
residence at Tres.

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» Let's scale it down. So, let me just
define a few things for the public.

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» This has come up a couple times from not
only uh the Delaneies, but other folks

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» and when we've looked into it. The
principal residence is where you lay

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your taxation and property uh ownership
does not designate your ability to sit

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on a board or specifically the select
board. You your principal residence

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needs to be within that town. Period.
That's our town charter. I didn't write

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it. That's how it's written. So,
principal residence means where you lay

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your head every single night.
Now, we have people that live in Whiting

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and Trescuit that continue to vote in
Lubebeck politics. The way it's written

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for the state is that if they intend to
return to Lubec and they don't vote in

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another municipality, they can retain
that voting right in Lubec. But when it

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comes specific to select board, your
principal residence has to be in that

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municipality.
That's all I know.

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Anybody else?
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» Well, you're getting angry.
I've been against it for years and I've

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tried and tried and tried to get this
finalized that your principal residence

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is where you need to be in order to run.
Poor old Wanda Corey years ago at the

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school board me uh being a school board
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» was booted off because she moved to
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» James Jones was booted off
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house where they could come and go, pay
their taxes, pay their income taxes,

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» uh have should be remedyed one way or
the other. I'm sorry. The state

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» what I would say is what trumps which
does our charter

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to interpret it.
>> Does our charter trump what you have or

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does what you have trump our charter and
if we need to address our charter and

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make amendments then we should do that.
Well, the state said I can run. If the

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people don't want me running, then I
guess they'll come out.

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» It's not and they'll vote.
>> Honey, you I know what you've done for

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this town. I know that. I've been there.
It's not you. It's everybody. It's

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anybody that's from out of the area, out
of out of the back.

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» The state says it's my principal
residence and I pay [snorts] that and I

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pay for it that way. No one no one
rents. I don't rent it out. No one else.

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I can come and go as I please. and you
were allowed to have one principal

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residence and that's mine and you know
very well that I could at one point that

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he would say you have to leave and I
would have that where that's where I

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would be so I can go and come from that
residence and I paid a paid a lot of

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taxes I I I don't I don't need the work
I you know I really don't

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» I know that
>> I mean I spent 12 years working for the

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town you have that
>> legally the state says I can run for

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office. And hey, Hillary moved to
Chaplaw just to run for senator in New

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York City. New York State. She
established residency in Chap.

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» I still say that a question,
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» Yeah, I I'm pretty sure about this that
you have to be six months and one day

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where you file your federal taxes. So
>> that's Florida rules different.

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» No, it's not Florida rules.
>> That is federal rules. Okay. So, don't I

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mean like people like to put spoons on
things and I'm positive about that.

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Okay. It's six months and one day
wherever anyone files their federal

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taxes. I can be wrong. Prove me wrong,
but I'm pretty positive of it. All

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right. I'm I'm always willing to learn.
Okay. So, wherever you're where and I'm

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not saying you I don't even know what
your situation is. I just know what the

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law is.
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» um, go ahead.
>> I I would like to know when public

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comment is going to happen during the
meeting because there is something that

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I would like to say to the people in the
room and to the select board.

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» Well, Mark wants to do it now. So, let
me speak now.

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» Yeah, go ahead. I may not be here next
meeting. So,

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» okay. Um, I think I'm going to stand up.
I when I stand up, my voice projects a

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little bit better. Um,
yeah.

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Sorry. Um, my name's
>> I know there is no way. There's a poll.

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Anyway, my name's Noel Abrahamson
and I live in East Machias and I

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recognize a couple of familiar faces and
I own an LLC called Calypso Seaweed Farm

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and Brewery. And the reason why I came
to this meeting tonight was because I

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wrote a letter of intent to the main
natural resources coastal program to ask

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for money to do uh eelgrass habitat
restoration. Um and before I go further,

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does do people know what eelrass or
seaggrass is?

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» Can you spell it out?
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» Oh, no. I mean, [laughter]

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» that's so good. Oh, that's the best
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» Hooked on phonics, I guess. I [laughter]
don't know. Holy crap. That is so good.

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» Oh, yeah.
>> So, do you want me to describe my letter

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of intent?
>> No. Like, eelgrass. What does it mean?

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Like, what is it?
>> Oh, okay. What is it? Okay. So,

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» [laughter]
>> E L That was so good. That was so good.

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» All right, go. [laughter]
>> That was pretty funny.

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» Um, yeah, I do take things
more or seriously and and I think that's

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why I came tonight is like people are
like, "Who is Noel Abrahamson and what

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is Calypso Seaweed Farm and Brewery?"
And I'm like, Noel, the only way that

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people are going to get to know you is
if you get outside of your comfort zone

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and go out into your community and and
introduce yourself. So, uh, eel grass in

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our community in Maine has that habitat
has decreased uh 60%

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over like the last hundred years. And
eel grass is important because it helps

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stabilize the sediment that is around
it. Um, it grows by ryomes like a

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strawberry plant would, but it is also a
flowering plant as well. So, it

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reproduces two different ways. Um,
and why would having more eel [snorts]

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grass matter
to a community like this? Um, well, I

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know you guys are really big on clams. I
know you guys are really big on

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lobsters. I know you guys are really big
on uh ground fish, fish that live on the

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bottom, but also fish that start their
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in the water column, but hang out on the
bottom in a place like an eel grass

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meadow when they're juveniles, and then
they go back up into the water column to

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finish out the rest of their lives. So
your forage fish

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and your commercially important species
of fish. So eel grass is important for

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providing a home for those juvenile fish
to grow up so that we can eat them

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later. Same thing with the lobsters. The
juvenile lobsters hang out in the eel

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grass meadows and then they move out
when they get bigger.

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And then the way that it works for clams
and other kinds of um by valves, the

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shellfish like muscles and stuff is that
kind of like if you were standing in the

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woods compared to like an open meadow,
it's really protected from the wind in

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the woods. Whereas you were out on the
mud flats or a meadow or a corn field,

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you wouldn't be protected from wind. Uh
eel grass works like that in the water.

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So it slows the water velocity down so
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larville fish and sediment can kind of
slow down and sink to the bottom. So,

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um, you do have some local eelgrass
meadows that you could get seed from or

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transplant shoots from that are that are
healthy. And then look at historical

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data to be like, okay, this might be a
good place to kind of do a little trial

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plot.
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try to find another spot and do a small
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or seed drop to see if it's going to
even be a good spot to try to bring eel

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grass back.
>> So, I have a couple questions.

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» Yeah.
>> What do you um

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attribute the 60% reduction in eel grass
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» there? There's a lot of um theories out
there. So, um, green crabs have been

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talked about really
>> because they like to dig around, right,

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to get to their food, right? They also
will clip the shoots off of

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» the top. The green growing shoots are
kind of like ribbons. And then um also

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if the water quality is poor as if like
if it's hard for light to penetrate

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through the water because it is a a
plant it does through photosynthesis

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like that would reduce um a good place
for ill grass to go like just light has

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a hard time going through.

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Storms [snorts] can rip it out. A big
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uh anchors,
dredging, um like anything that being is

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being pulled along the bottom.
>> Yeah, we have a big scallop fishery

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here, right?
>> But I mean is around the bay like along

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the shoreline.
>> It's found in the inner title to

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subtitle. So minus 2 feet, so about a
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» So draggers wouldn't
>> No, they're not going to be up in there.

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Yeah. And now is this a state or federal
grant?

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» Um, this particular one, so this pot of
money that I was asking to receive funds

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from was a state one and it was
basically like if a company like Target

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or Walmart built on a marsh, they would
have to pay into it

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» um because they're they're taking away
marsh habitat. And so they put money

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into that and then um organizations like
tribes, state agencies, municipalities,

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and nonprofit organizations can ask for
money from that pot to do projects like

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the one I'm talking about.
>> Excellent.

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» So, thank you for listening. It's
>> What did you want from the board? Well,

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like I said, I my business is a non uh
is a LLC. So, it is not structured like

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a nonprofit. I am not a tribe. I'm not a
state mun a state agency, nor am I a

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municipality. So, when I turned that
letter in to my proposal, I realized I

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didn't have relationships and partners
within the area that I live that I

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wanted to do the project. So, I'm here
to start having a rel relationship with

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the board, with the municipality, with
the people that use the inner title. Um,

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and and pretty much eat and live there.
>> And so, you might want to go to the

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claim committee as well.
>> I have, which is you've been you've been

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to them already?
>> Yeah. So, it's just kind of a like I

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said, put myself out there, but thank
you for the suggestion.

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» Where where are you looking for to
establish these trial areas? Are you

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just looking for private?
>> I really liked um was it is it do you

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pronounce it? Mal
Mry Beach.

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» That looked like a good uh potential
site where there's been erosion

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happening and there has been historical
eel grass meadows there in the past. And

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there might even be a present eelgrass
metal off of Woodruff uh point in there.

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So you could take from what's there and
put it nearby. And then there was

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another spot past the bridge,
Black Duck Cove,

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and I think it might be in a different
township. Um, but it's a property

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off of that's a part of Cobskook Shores.
Um, Red Point, they might have a healthy

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eelgrass meadow tucked up in Cobskook
Bay as well. So,

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» what's your contact info in case someone
wants to reach out to you?

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» Sure. Um, so my phone number, I just got
a 207 area code. It used to be a

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Minnesota phone number. Um, 207483

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7581

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and you want to know my email because
it's long and it's a scientific name.

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Uh,
>> oh, spell it out.

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» Spell it out. [laughter]
>> There's going to be a spelling be

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afterwards. Didn't you say spell out
earlier?

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» Yeah.
>> E A L

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A N O
P H Y

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L L I A
E L E.

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» Dude,
>> G [laughter]

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A N Sgmail.com.

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And my mom said, "Noel, don't pick an
email that's hard to spell." I'm like,

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"Well, if they care anything about me or
what I'm doing,

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» they will write it down. Make sure to
get it right."

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» Noel S.
[clears throat]

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» L I A. After that was E L E G A Ns.
>> Um, or two G.

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» L I A, right?
>> Yep.

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» E L E G A N S.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay.

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» You said G twice. So make two G's or
>> there is some giggling going on

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» the next shelfish meeting.
>> Thank you very much.

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» It's Thursday.
>> Yep. Thursday the 6

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» because of the ties.
>> Yeah. Which is that's next week, right?

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» Yeah. And I'm going to give them a short
little talk. I don't want to bore them

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too.
>> Thanks so much.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you for your time and laughing

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with me.
>> So since we we decided to try public

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hearing first. Anything else?

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And uh John and Brigita, just to address
your issue and yours as well, uh I think

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that we'll have Susette send the wording
of the charter and the ruling of the

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state and have them decide what they
feel.

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» Which one's the preference?
>> Which one? Oh, what what well I just

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think they have to interpret our chart
or you know on a non you know like um

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non nobody has a vested interest like I
understand where you're coming from you

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move somewhere in a small community you
don't belong here but then there's a

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legal standing that so we just need to
have I I'm more than willing to have the

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lawyer decide the primary residence
wording in the charter coincides with

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what the state ruling has given these
these guys for the past how many years

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» and will you be willing to take their
opinion and I would be [clears throat]

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willing to take their opinion?
>> Um I I think another option is to let

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the voters decide.
>> That's also I'm more than willing to let

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the voters decide. Absolutely. If you're
willing to have let the voters decide.

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I'm on the ballot. I'm willing to let
the voters decide.

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» I think having a legal clarification
>> a legal clarification might help the

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voters as well.
>> Yeah. So, uh, I don't know whether

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they'll they'll find that out, but
certainly they can call the town office

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if Susette gets the answer within the
next few days.

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» Is there another I'd like to know
myself. Anybody else for public comment

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and we can go into the regular meeting,
>> but which was where are we?

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» We had um one assessant. Well, we have
one assessor abatement, but he's not

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here, but he asked us to abate
>> six.

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I'm sorry. What is your name?
>> Hey, uh Charles D. Um I figured while we

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had public comments since I came last
week, um just was applying to card uh be

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a part of the planning board.
>> Did we get that down the bottom, don't

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we?
>> I know. I guess he's asking to do it

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now.
>> Oh.

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» Oh, I thought Okay. I didn't know you
guys had it on your list.

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» We do have it on the agenda and he's
he's on there.

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» All right. Actually, it was just had
office employees. Just

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» she has she just has all your office
employees, but

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» we have Do we have
>> I have planning board ones made out.

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» You have the planning board ones made
out?

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» Yes, I do.
>> So, it is on the agenda. Are you okay?

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» You don't want to be here the whole time
and then decide it's not going to be on.

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I got it. And I'm sorry about the mixup
last week.

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» Yes. I apologize.
>> Okay. Uh we have to do you have this? Uh

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» no. They We just gotten it. He didn't
send it earlier.

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» Okay, just pass it down. It's $84 for
Downy's dogs.

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» What?
>> Down.

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» Isn't it Downy's?
>> Can I say Downward on?

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» I didn't touch it. He I didn't type
anything. [laughter]

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» Okay. Just

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» And nobody's seen it. So,
>> yeah. I'm just

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» down.

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gets the marker. I'm going to make a

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» I'll make a motion to go along with this
debatement.

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» Okay.
[laughter]

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» Don't get touchy.

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» It's a full moon, you know.

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You don't want to take on ne?
>> No. When she's ugly on a full moon.

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[clears throat]
>> I used to work at a nursing home. I know

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how crazy it can be.
>> You want to do that again?

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» What?
>> I just did it here.

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» I make that abatement a motion. Yes.
>> Okay. All in favor.

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» All right. So, we're going to go back to
the

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» select board meeting. We need a motion
to sign the warrants. Do you want this

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sign?
>> Motion.

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» Uh yeah, Republican.
>> Yes. Mark pass it the other way.

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» Motion to sign the warrants by move.
Second

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» uh discussion mark. Any discussion on
the

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» I asked my question earlier of Ruby. So
>> Oh, good. Did

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» did I notice it is um payment for the
fence? The guy that installed the fence

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is that on this week I was asked about
it.

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» Yeah, cuz you came in and provided his
information.

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» Okay. Yeah, thank you.
>> All in on paper then

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warrants.
>> Okay.

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» Motions approve the minutes.
>> So [clears throat] I read

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» as written. I read the whole thing.
>> Did you make any boo boos?

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» No.

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» No. I just say them out loud.

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We have second.

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[clears throat]
>> All in favor?

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» The minutes. Yes.
>> Minutes.

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» Okay. There's your um
>> abatement.

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» Abatement.

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This is the

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[snorts]

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Okay.

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Playground issue.
We have a couple of sides to talk on.

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Anybody else? Come on.
>> I don't know how you want to handle it.

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I don't know if it's like a status
update or if you want me to.

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» You can come up and explain your issue.
>> Did you want you asked quickly to put it

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on there? We This is just the only other
person that wasn't able to speak. A few

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people you you were wanted to speak. We
wanted an appointment and you guys

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wanted to speak. So,
>> Sure.

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» Go ahead.
>> Sure. So, uh my name is Sandra Tran. I

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am both a trust kit and a Lubec property
owner and taxpayer. Um, so I'm here

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tonight uh because what began as a
dispute over access to the Lubec

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Community Playground has revealed a much
larger issue that deserves the attention

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of this board and the community. On June
9th, shortly after 2 p.m., I was told by

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multiple individuals associated with the
Lubec Consolidated School that I was not

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allowed to bring my children on the
playground during school hours and that

415
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,559
the playground was closed to the public
while school was in session. And to

416
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:03,840
enforce those statements, I was sought
out by two of those individuals, once by

417
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,840
a staff member on the playground and
then again by the principal, which

418
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,919
eventually led to an unpleasant
encounter in a building outside their

419
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:15,760
school jurisdiction and in front of my
seven and nine-year-old sons.

420
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,440
Had there been a clearly written and
publicly available policy supporting the

421
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,840
staff's claims, this discussion likely
would not be necessary. In the absence

422
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:27,279
of illegal land use agreements, solid
contracts and policies, what protections

423
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:31,279
do community members have from
harassment and threats from school

424
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:36,000
staff? Select boards and school boards
are generally risk averse. So behaviors

425
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,679
like that should immediately be
addressed, even if it's only for legal

426
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,640
reasons.
To prepare to be here tonight, I spoke

427
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,480
with the founders of the original
project. I spoke with Melissa Lee. I

428
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,440
spoke with members of the playground
committee. One of them is here tonight.

429
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,880
And I spoke with the superintendent of
the school. I I reviewed the history why

430
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,559
the playground was created and what
purpose it was intended to serve. And my

431
00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,080
discoveries confirmed what I already
knew to be true before I even went to

432
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,200
the playground that day. What
consistently emerged was a Luvac

433
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,960
community playground was established as
a community resource created through

434
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,200
community effort and shaped by the ideas
of local children dedicated to the

435
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,559
families and citizens of this town. And
it was built to celebrate Lubec's

436
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,640
maritime heritage and provide a place
where children and families could gather

437
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:23,279
as a community. It is under management
by the town and it belongs to the

438
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:26,640
community. And that history matters
because when a playground's created by

439
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,200
the community and for the community,
access should not depend on the personal

440
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:35,519
interpretation of any individual. Public
access should be governed by policy, not

441
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,519
assumption, by written authority, not
verbal declarations. We are now

442
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:43,519
subjected to a system in which citizens
are confronted, excluded, or threatened

443
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:47,120
because of the construction. Because
after the construction of the community

444
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:51,039
playground, an entity emerged and
decided to create their own authority.

445
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,320
People are being led to believe they're
violating rules. And when citizens ask

446
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,080
for those rules and restrictions
originated or what modifications have

447
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,200
been made to them, there appears to be
no clear answer. And that should concern

448
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,559
all of us. Community assets lose part of
their public value when access can be

449
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,800
restricted by unwritten rules or
informal interpretations that change

450
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,000
depending on who is speaking. Nobody
should be positioned to defend their

451
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:18,000
presence or be apprehensive of visiting
a playground that was created for them.

452
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:22,639
No town or school employee should be
left in the position of enforcing rules

453
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,960
that did not originate from the founders
or townointed managers of the community

454
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,639
playground. It's not fair to residents
and it's not fair fair to school staff.

455
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,000
It should never be a place where
citizens feel unwelcome in their own

456
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:37,520
community, especially when the necessary
funding and maintenance has always come

457
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:41,119
from the individuals seeking its
benefits. Those who founded and

458
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,919
participated in the res in the
restoration deserve to be honored

459
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:48,720
through the preservation of the
principles upon which it was created.

460
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:50,639
Those being community benefit which
clearly [cough and clears throat]

461
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:55,119
exists. It's the only community
playground in Lubec. Community

462
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:59,520
participation that was very obvious and
strongly displayed with the restoration

463
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:03,599
efforts and community access which has
been threatened for far too long. So

464
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:06,480
tonight, I respectfully ask the select
for board along with the school board,

465
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:11,760
the playground committee to work
together to resolve this issue to create

466
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:16,800
a clear, definitive, legally constructed
policy regarding who has authority over

467
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,760
access to the playground, what rules
govern its use, and how those rules will

468
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:28,640
be communicated to the public. Um, and I
also want to mention as well here too,

469
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:33,440
miscommunications with malicious intent
should never be a part of a community.

470
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:38,640
And the public employees who do this
should be addressed in a public forum.

471
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:43,040
The individual who I asked to join me
here tonight would not come.

472
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,160
» Okay? They're not here.
>> I'd like to hear from Melissa Lee

473
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:50,599
» on this. Thank you.
>> Do you want me to sit or I can stand or

474
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:58,720
talk or whatever.
>> Um,

475
00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:06,000
when 27 years ago when the community
playground concept came up, there was an

476
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:13,040
amazing ground swell from the community
of support, of effort, of work, of

477
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:18,000
money. There was a a committee and for
two and a half years we raised money. We

478
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:23,520
had all these silly fundraisers and the
community came out to support them. Um,

479
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:32,720
we worked with a company called Leathers
and Associates and one of their

480
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:39,200
rules for working with us is that 90% of
the money had to be raised locally. Only

481
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:44,720
10% could be grant money. And it was.
And we got enough money.

482
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:50,720
Again, one of their rules was that we
have an endowment, you know, money set

483
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:59,359
aside for for ongoing maintenance. So,
all of that happened and at the time it

484
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:03,760
was such a an amazing process.
5,000

485
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:10,079
people over a five-day period
participated

486
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:16,079
in building it. It was so that the there
were verbal agreements between the

487
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:23,520
school board [snorts] and the town for
um you know this is town land but it's

488
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:30,320
school property and you know as uh Dicki
said last time there's just one line in

489
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:35,040
a school board meeting saying we give
permission for it to happen there. But

490
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:43,520
the reason that it wasn't more clearly
state out stated is it was so obvious at

491
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:49,040
the time it was so obvious that this was
for the community for a community

492
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:56,560
resource. It was not a school
playground. It was a a community

493
00:37:51,599 --> 00:38:02,320
playground. And in my mind, having been
there from the beginning, it is so black

494
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:07,760
and white. It's not gray. It's not a
gray issue. It's a community playground.

495
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:14,000
It's for the community. The school has
their own playground. I'm so happy that

496
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:20,880
it's being used so heavily by the school
and by the after school program and by

497
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:27,599
the summer wreck, but it's
it's meant to be a an inclusive,

498
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:32,160
welcoming
community asset.

499
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,480
» Thank you. And I sure hope it stays that
way.

500
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:38,000
» Dicky, have you guys discussed this at
the school board?

501
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:41,760
» We next week, next Thursday night at
schoolboard meeting.

502
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:47,280
» The agenda just came up today with that.
>> Okay. I'll plan on going as well.

503
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:50,160
» Yeah. So,
>> I also was with Melissa the whole time.

504
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:55,680
» Oh, go ahead.
>> And I'll tell you, I and I reiterate

505
00:38:52,640 --> 00:39:01,040
what she said. It was just a community
involvement. I mean, it was crazy. We

506
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,599
had tents up. They had food lines. It
was just amazing.

507
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:12,240
» And I don't think anyone down there ever
thought that it would be just, you know,

508
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:17,680
an item for the school to run. I mean,
no, it was it's a town involvement. So,

509
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:22,079
this community involvement seems pretty
>> This line now playground is open to the

510
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,240
public only when school is not in
session. So, you don't approve, you

511
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,480
don't agree with
>> No. Can I Can I address that? I would

512
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:32,240
really like to address a lot of the
miscommunication

513
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:38,160
» on the back of this. This was what the
superintendent sent me.

514
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:43,760
Um, and that was the sign. Um, so I have
talked with people in the Lubec the the

515
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:48,480
playground committee. Um, Alex Henry is
here tonight. Um, and another individual

516
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:53,440
who I've talked to regarding this sign
let me know that at the bottom here,

517
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,079
line number seven, playground is open to
the public only when school is in

518
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:02,000
session.
This, as far as I know, was agreed upon

519
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:07,200
and this was discussed between Alex, the
playground committee, and other

520
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:10,880
individuals at the school. It was the
playground committee who blacked that

521
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:16,400
out.
>> Who made the sign to begin with?

522
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:19,280
» I'd like to know that sign authorization
trump that sign.

523
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:23,280
» Who had the authorization make that? To
me, those are arbitrary rules. Nobody

524
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,680
knows where they drive from and they
should not be there. My understanding

525
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:30,160
» come forth to say who
>> this is after the show we could find out

526
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:35,040
and remain
>> Mary Ellen Day I I believe um she

527
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:39,760
communicated with me as well I have
these emails that Dicki actually took

528
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:44,480
that sign down to remove that paint and
put it back up. That was the intention.

529
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,520
» The intent was to re to reveal what was
underneath it. Yes.

530
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,960
» Okay.
>> So who made the decision to put this

531
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,359
» I I'm sorry. I have to bring this to the
attention here. Dicki as a town employee

532
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:59,839
who gets paid by the town should not be
going over the authority of Alex Henry.

533
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,520
It's disrespectful and embarrassing.
That's Alex's Henry's job. He was

534
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,960
appointed by the select board along with
other people on the committee. Dicki

535
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,200
should not be going over Alex Henry's
head and removing things like that and

536
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,040
in interjecting himself into something
that has nothing to do with

537
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:18,560
» I am I also let's direct the the
comments to the board.

538
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,880
» But here's the thing as well. The school
board policy here,

539
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:28,079
Dicki,
nothing should even be addressed to you

540
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:35,040
at all. The school board policy here
states board member conflict of interest

541
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:38,480
or me board members financial interest.
A board member who has financial

542
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:42,560
interest in a question or contract under
consideration when he or she a member of

543
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:48,960
his or her immediate family may derive
some financial or other material benefit

544
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:54,480
or loss as a result of board action.
And then here uh down

545
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,880
everything that I highlighted. Basically
Dicki is to because he gets paid he has

546
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:04,400
a financial interest from this town. He
is to remove himself from discussing

547
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,359
or appearing interested in in
discussions like this. He is not even to

548
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:13,920
vote for the school board. And I believe
this is the reason why it was it was

549
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,400
requested that you not be involved
>> because he's part of parks and

550
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,920
recommended
>> because he is part of the school board

551
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,440
because he's an employee of this town.
He is it is a conflict of interest. The

552
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:28,160
school board knows this
>> but only in the back that this is

553
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:32,240
considered a park. Is that right?
>> And that I guess they're saying you need

554
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,680
to recuse yourself on a vote. What do
you think?

555
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,640
» Come up.
>> Well, you know

556
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:42,000
» that's a good point. Hasn't come up yet.
I tell you what I think about this. I

557
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:48,319
believe like Melissa and Dwyn both
saying, this was a community project for

558
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:52,400
our community for our kids. It's for our
kids.

559
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:57,680
» And I told Alex, I said the school
shouldn't have anything to do with this.

560
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:03,520
The parking belongs to the town. I don't
know who the property, but it's a

561
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:09,440
community and they have two of their
own. And I mean that's down there for

562
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:13,119
our students to use anytime they want.
But if anybody else comes in, I don't

563
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,040
know who's made up all this.
>> Yeah, I don't know.

564
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,800
» It's too bad we
>> I'm sure that's the school board school

565
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,480
board meeting of minutes and and the
school board should find that.

566
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:25,280
» We should find out who authorized this
and that person should be held

567
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,079
accountable for creating so many
problems.

568
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:31,200
» Absolutely. That person should be held
accountable for creating so many

569
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,040
problems in this town and in this
community. That is despicable. And I'm

570
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,440
sorry. I don't want to get involved in
the whole, you know, Alex and Dicki

571
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:43,680
situation, but I believe that that is
like he deserves an apology. Alex

572
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,599
deserves an apology. I I don't think
that it's appropriate for anyone here in

573
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:52,000
the town to go over Alex's head. He's
the one who was appointed by this town

574
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,640
uh to to lead the efforts with the
community playground. It's under the

575
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,440
town's management.
>> So, what what exactly happened? The sign

576
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:04,880
got taken down. Dicky took it down with
the intent of removing the the the

577
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:09,680
blacked out line number seven that that
was done by the playground committee and

578
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:16,200
with the intent of putting it back up as
a school board member.

579
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:16,200
» No, no, that's not true at all.

580
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,960
» Because I have the email
in writing.

581
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,720
» Sorry.
>> It had nothing to do with school.

582
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:30,400
» You need to if you want to direct was
just asked to find out what was

583
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:35,119
underneath the blacked out thing because
the question was asked and nobody could

584
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:38,640
tell anybody what was underneath it or
who blacked it out.

585
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,560
» Well, somebody who asked you must have
known what was underneath it.

586
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:44,960
» Yeah. So, who
>> There's a lot of wise miscommunication.

587
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:50,160
» I I apologize that the school board
hasn't looked this up. I talked to our

588
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:56,000
chair today and and I hate to say she
didn't have you know she didn't know

589
00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:00,000
what this was all about and I don't call
her at all

590
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,640
» who our chair of our school
>> but you know we

591
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:07,400
» and it's going to be on your meeting
it's going to be in your next meeting

592
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,400
Thursday

593
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,480
» next Thursday
>> so Sandra just to follow up with thanks

594
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,880
for doing all that research appreciate
it because the community deserves

595
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,920
accessing.
>> Absolutely. And I I just want to make a

596
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,800
statement, too. I'm not looking to be
like, "Oh, this is this is community's

597
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,839
playground and it has nothing to do with
the school."

598
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,000
» I'm just looking for people who go to
the playground to not be told to leave

599
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,920
by the school. There's room for
everyone. Everyone can get along with

600
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:38,480
everyone. The boogeyman's not hiding in
the bait shop at the playground.

601
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,680
» So, you know, it's
>> it's it's it's not my intent to cause a

602
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,839
problem. I just want this to be
resolved.

603
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:50,240
» I mean, I was directing my question to
the chair, but But I will ask Mickey and

604
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:55,280
all this with the sign. Who asked you to
>> take the sign down?

605
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:59,200
» It came down. I took the sign down as
working for the town because I was told

606
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,599
it was a town playground and I brought
it up here to look at the through the

607
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,200
folder from back from when the thing
originated or wherever it was. And the

608
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:13,599
only thing we could find was the sign
that had all seven numbers with no black

609
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,000
paint on it.
So then I was like, well, I'm not doing

610
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,040
anything else.
>> Annie,

611
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:23,200
» I I do have to tell you this whole
board, Joanne may have been on the board

612
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:28,800
back then, I do believe, but oh boy,
>> 27 years ago when this playground was

613
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:33,920
built, my daughter and I were part of it
that built it. And there was no signs

614
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:39,040
and there was no intention for anybody
to ever be

615
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:44,400
» left out ever, no matter what time of
day it was.

616
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:49,440
» Community placement. I I also like to
say um

617
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:53,839
I don't really want to focus in on the
individual thing that happened to me

618
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:57,440
with my kids because I got really thick
skin. I don't care about that. But there

619
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:04,160
is
>> there's there's a lot of people here in

620
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:08,640
this town who have the ability to to
take action on things like that because

621
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,880
what happened to me was actually like
harassing and threatening and it was

622
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:19,680
done to be to to be intimidating. I'm
well aware and to protect myself I

623
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:26,480
recorded it. So, I'm just letting you
guys know that like as a select board

624
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:31,359
and a school board who should be very
riskaverse in a small town and they you

625
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,440
guys don't have the funding for lawsuits
and legal stuff like that. It really

626
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:41,359
should be something that the town fixes
and someone should be in charge of some

627
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,319
sort of uh uh maybe insurance policy and
everything there as well. That would be

628
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:48,240
something to figure out. But this
probably should get resolved legally as

629
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,800
long as the individual who causes all
these problems is in the mix. So I'm

630
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,720
just going to be very firm in saying
that.

631
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,079
» Appreciate all of your points.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

632
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,520
» I'll be at the school board meeting too
because I definitely follow up on this.

633
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,400
» Intent to build ordinance fee
discussion.

634
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Alice, is that you?
>> Well, yeah. I think it's a conversation

635
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:17,839
for all of us. Let me give a little
briefing.

636
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:24,880
» You'll have a as everyone knows, we're
voting on the intent to build ordinance

637
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:31,359
amendment at the uh town meeting and um
well, it would be advisable that there

638
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:36,559
were um proposals for the suggested
square footage prices so that people

639
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:41,839
have an idea as to what what they're
what to expect so they can vote on that

640
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:45,520
appropriately. Um, so there should be
something in there. Joanne, you have it

641
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:51,599
there. Those are the prices, square
footage that Cutler uh had at least as

642
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:57,599
of a year ago when I when I put that
draft document together. Um, so they

643
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:02,079
separated into residential, commercial,
and then accessory buildings and the

644
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:06,800
fourth category demo, which is they do
it as free. So those would be sort of

645
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:12,240
four categories that you would I would
think the select board would um come up

646
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:15,680
with some prices suggested well actually
>> proposed prices right

647
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,760
» to go along with with the vote
>> fees

648
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:24,240
» fees yeah
>> um and um like I said those are cutlers

649
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:27,839
so I don't have a suggestion for you as
a CEO those are just the next town over

650
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,079
and what the prices what the
[clears throat] prices are here

651
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:37,599
» the the planning committee is working on
this correct It has been or is it?

652
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:42,880
» No. No. I just made the um as you
recall, Carol or the board made a

653
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:48,000
request that um I make these amendments
so that they could be voted on. So, the

654
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,680
planning board hasn't discussed this and
um especially these

655
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:57,200
» I think basically it's just like the
clam the clam uh ordinance used to have

656
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:03,200
the clam license in in it and we removed
it so that the clam board could uh on

657
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:08,800
occasion review the prices as
>> as needed and then of course we approve

658
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,000
of the it all comes to the select board.
So really they're only voting on taking

659
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,319
the fee out.
>> That's correct. Correct. And by doing

660
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,000
that and I think
>> and turning over the the

661
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,319
» turning over the fee structure to the
slot world, which we've done with almost

662
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,520
everything else.
>> Correct.

663
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,079
» Every the
>> We've been talking about this for a

664
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,680
couple years. That's correct.
>> And this is so basically they're just

665
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:32,800
voting to take the fee structure out.
And I'm not sure why you have

666
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:36,400
any of the any fee in there at all.
>> Well, that's not part of the that's not

667
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,760
part of the ordinance. That's just a
document that Suzette and I put in your

668
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:43,119
» But is that going to be at the meeting
as well?

669
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:47,119
» No. So they they just need to understand
that the fees coming out so the the

670
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,440
public and
>> my board and the rest of the citizens

671
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,040
can determine whether people should pay
more than $20 to build you know a

672
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:00,640
McMansion on the water.
>> So how when somebody brings you a permit

673
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:06,720
in for construction? How much time does
it take you? How much time do is

674
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:10,559
consumed for you to review it, go to it,
do what you do to get your stamp of

675
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,400
approval? It's going to vary if it's in
the shoreland zone or not, but let's

676
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:19,680
just say between an hour and three.
>> Yeah. Um, what I wanted to say was that

677
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:23,440
paper's in there because, um, wanted to
give you an idea as to what you're

678
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:28,640
looking at. But if you guys picked some
proposed prices, we could put that down

679
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:33,040
on a sheet of paper and and set it next
to the intent to build forms at the town

680
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:36,319
meeting so that they would people would
have an idea as to what that would look

681
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,880
like and what
>> we would have to vote.

682
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,359
» This is what we've been talking about. I
mean that if that's what Cutler does,

683
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,559
why not do that?
>> Yeah, I'm making money.

684
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:48,800
» Well, it is it's the idea that we're
trying to gain some revenue from those

685
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,240
that actually use the business.
>> Yes.

686
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,680
» But we have offsets.
>> Yes.

687
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,000
» He was not here tonight. It sits in
front.

688
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:03,200
» We won't mention D
>> and he will and he will hang.

689
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:06,480
» But no, we we have to,
>> you know, I was talking I don't know who

690
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:12,000
I was talking to. Can't remember.
somebody I was just bouncing this idea

691
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:17,040
off with and I had this idea that could
because because there's you know when

692
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:21,680
you have um building codes you also have
a board of appeals and you can go and

693
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,400
you can request a variance on a lot a
lot size or side you know whatever

694
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,720
» correct
>> could we not have in this

695
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:37,920
an opportunity for the local person who
is building their house paycheck by

696
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:43,040
check paycheck to ask for a um not to
have to pay something less like to

697
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:48,800
appeal appeal this if you come in and
you have like a million dollars and you

698
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:52,000
can spend 300. So I don't see why we
framework is for

699
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:56,000
» that was stained as one objection that a
local person who who's building their

700
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:59,520
house like it takes him 10 years. I know
Ralph took 10 years for him to build

701
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:04,480
this house. He built it paycheck by
paycheck and that would be cost

702
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:08,079
prohibitive for him to pay this amount
of money for someone but then someone

703
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:14,240
who just moves in and has the money to
pay. There should be an avenue to appeal

704
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:18,240
» that you can't pay that amount. If you
figure 2,000 square foot place is $150.

705
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,160
I mean,
>> yes, it's $150, but

706
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:26,559
» it's more than $150.
>> 25

707
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:30,192
2,000 square foot.
>> But Carol, you're you're right about the

708
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:33,200
vote is not on the price.
[clears throat] It's on removing the fee

709
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:39,119
from the
>> Right. Yeah. But I'm just I wanted you

710
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:43,359
there should be a way to request
>> perfect

711
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:47,200
» help that I I just can't afford this.
The other the other thought I addressing

712
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,920
» 500
>> forous said

713
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:57,440
» the $500 is somebody's savings for 3
months when there minimum wage. Would

714
00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:02,240
there be a clause perhaps
that states if you've been a resident

715
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:08,559
for over a certain period of time with
that or maybe you've been here for 20

716
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:14,960
years that you would then be
>> excluded to that fee to pay the

717
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:19,280
» because again if you're building bit by
bit you should be getting you should be

718
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:24,240
getting permission bit by bit. So, if
you're doing a 200 foot edition, you're,

719
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:28,640
you know, paying $20, you know, it's
only $20 anyway.

720
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:33,599
» So, we're talking, we're talking $20 to
$500 on a 2,000t home. So, I think if if

721
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:37,440
anything could be addressed to a
longtime resident,

722
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:41,520
if that were to come up, would be that
perhaps they could be to the planning

723
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:46,800
board. Perhaps it goes to to exclude
them from that fee due to their how long

724
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:51,200
they've lived here in town. Well, I
don't think I can think of to answer

725
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,839
that response. Personally, I'm all for
this. So, I don't

726
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,599
» I'm I am too, but I just think there
needs to be an avenue for an appeal for

727
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,400
someone who can't afford it, who has a
legitimate reason why

728
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,880
» if if you're Well, I mean, I would say
if you're building a [clears throat]

729
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:09,760
2,000 foot home, if you can't afford a
what would be a $500 fee to build,

730
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,920
» you have a foundation for a 2,000 foot
home, but it may take you 10 years to

731
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:19,599
build a house. I I can if you would like
I can ask MMA if this if there's a legal

732
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:23,359
framework that would allow for what you
guys are suggesting. It would exist

733
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:27,440
outside of the ordinance probably along
with the fee schedule or some separate

734
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:32,160
document. So it wouldn't impede
>> this vote, but um I can I can ask MMA

735
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,079
and see what they have to say.
>> So you're just throwing things out to

736
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:37,200
address
>> that. I ask them stuff all the time like

737
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,640
this. So I'll see what they have to say
and I report back to you. I think you're

738
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,880
making this a lot more complicated
because if you get into that, you're

739
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,440
going to get into income.
>> You're going to figure you're going to

740
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,799
have to figure out what your what the
person's income is. [clears throat]

741
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:56,480
» I agree. I'm just saying I'm just
addressing the question.

742
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,119
So that this is big objection.
>> What about giving them like six months

743
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,880
to pay it?
>> Well, that's that's another thing.

744
00:56:00,188 --> 00:56:06,240
[clears throat]
You could have a timeline or a year or

745
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,559
time. Yes. Payment over time is not is a
good idea.

746
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,680
» I mean, you you're not playing
favoritisms and you everybody's

747
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,839
» this is probably outlined by the state
the stat

748
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:22,400
» I think the only thing that really we
could look at for discounts would either

749
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:27,520
be for seniors or for veterans or a
combination of both

750
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:31,839
» that's true seniors and veterans that's
>> or if they had homestead or if they had

751
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,839
homestead exemption on their property
already then we could verify that easily

752
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,680
» and you only have to be here a year to
get that

753
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:44,480
So that's not really a great one.
>> But I just my followup comment before I

754
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,880
go is thatbody if you guys just if you
guys

755
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,839
» however you want to do it come up with
some proposed prices. I could put that

756
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:54,960
on piece of paper.
>> I'm I'm for the ones you have. I just

757
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,359
think
>> I mean I think there

758
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:01,839
» those are the numbers we've talked about
three years now.

759
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:04,400
» Make want to make a motion.
>> Second. We have a second.

760
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,359
» Second.
>> All in favor. All right, I'll put it

761
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,640
together.
>> We're going to do that.

762
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,200
» Thank you, Al.
>> You're welcome.

763
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,200
» Okay,
next.

764
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,599
» Cemetery stone damage.
>> It's a little bit of Dicky and I both.

765
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,720
» Okay.
>> Is it the foot stones, Dicky?

766
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,000
» Yeah.
>> And is it a metal weed whacker or is it

767
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,040
an actual push mower?
>> It the the first one was by a weed

768
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:36,640
whacker. The second one looks like it's
a scratch right across the top of the

769
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:42,760
the stone. Is it one individual or is it
the group?

770
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,760
» It's just in that one spot.

771
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,079
» Yeah. Right there in Bay View.
>> Yeah.

772
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,400
» Yeah.
>> No,

773
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,000
down.
>> Oh, cuz there's a couple in Bay View,

774
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,319
too, that have been cut right off. I
talked to you about it last year when I

775
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,720
was laying recently Christmas.
>> Yes, them ones. Those were because of

776
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,760
the old
>> Yeah. The stones porous,

777
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,680
» right?
>> But the corners are now shaped up.

778
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:06,480
» So, we changed the wire. Okay.
>> Yeah. All right.

779
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,359
» Thank you.
>> Um, I will add to that. I spoke to our

780
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:15,359
insurance company. Um, they informed me
to, I'm going to use a quote, file a

781
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:21,040
claim, but it's not a claim. It's an
FYI. They don't charge FYIs. After two

782
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,240
weeks, they drop off and they send a
letter to the I'm going to call property

783
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:28,960
owner saying that it's not covered by
the town to see the person, the company

784
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:34,960
that did it, their insurance to cover
it. And we should also have um we call

785
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,720
them COIs, certificate of interest from
anybody that does work for the town.

786
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,559
» Always going to work.
>> So we've talked about it's $949.

787
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:48,240
» Yes. Dicky and I Dicky and I have been
talking about this. So weird.

788
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:53,599
» The other part about that is the the
person whose stones have been affected

789
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:59,200
has been adamant apparently with the
town about staying off of his plot, his

790
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:01,599
family's plot. They were forewarned to
be careful around it.

791
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:06,400
» Is that what you're saying?
>> But he told me to my face that I've told

792
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:11,839
the town stay off the plot and he's put
four flags on the corners and [snorts] I

793
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:17,760
don't know how we could make it more
noticeable. I think um I don't know.

794
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:22,079
» Well, was that conveyed to the cemetery
moment?

795
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:27,760
We we spoke with them. Dwayne and I
spoke with with the group right now.

796
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:32,960
» But before or after it got damaged at
>> both. Yeah.

797
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,559
» This is 949 bucks. But there's also
damage of baby.

798
00:59:36,341 --> 00:59:39,119
[clears throat]
>> There's maybe no one's complaining about

799
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,960
it. No,
>> but it should be addressed, right?

800
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,160
» So, uh where's this coming? If we decide
to pay

801
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,720
» We're not paying it.
>> We're not paying it.

802
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:50,960
» No. Insurance companies said not to.
We're not liable. the Arise program

803
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:54,839
» willing to work with.
>> Yes.

804
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:54,839
» Okay.

805
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,359
» It was more of anformational

806
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:07,119
» you pointed that out to Zach and the
bunch about where the flags are on the

807
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:12,440
corners.
>> Thank you.

808
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,440
» Numerous times.

809
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:21,599
» It's hard to say.
>> This is very hard for me. I've owned

810
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:29,040
cemeteries forever, 50 odd years. And
I'll tell you, it's very, very easy to

811
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:36,880
do this. Whether you trying not to or
not, it's very easy to either do it by

812
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:41,760
lawnmower or do it by weed whacker. And
I'm sorry that this has happened to

813
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:48,319
whoever, but it happens a lot. And
nobody means to do it. Not at all. But I

814
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:52,799
don't really think that it should be the
town's responsibility.

815
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:56,880
You don't know who's I mean, somebody
could be down there mowing. This person

816
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:02,079
could be hiring. We have people that
hire their own people to do it. Even

817
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:06,480
though we mow it perpetually,
they still hire people. So, you know,

818
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,720
who's to blame? You know, you can't
really

819
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:15,119
» I know Joanne, we ordered a spool of the
big coil of wire last year. When it was

820
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:18,640
brought to my attention that that was
was doing the damage, we stopped using

821
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,760
it. We went back to the
>> regular. Well, it's it's very easy to

822
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:25,839
do, believe me.
>> Have you ever had anybody in your years

823
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:30,880
of wearing a cemetery?
>> We have had nobody issues come and tell

824
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:36,480
us that, you know, you need to replace
this stone, you need to fix it. We've

825
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:42,559
been very fortunate. But we have and I
myself being on the mower has hit a

826
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,839
stone before
>> and I have cut the corner off

827
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,559
» and yours are flat too. So
>> and my eyes are flat. They're not, you

828
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,160
know, they're not high.
>> They're not stacked. They're flat.

829
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:57,520
» But I have done it before myself.
>> So So it's justformational and Elijah's

830
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,520
going to try to work with this one
person. So to answer your question that

831
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,720
it's happened before, it happens.
>> It does happen. Nobody intends to do

832
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:12,720
» Nobody's intending to do it.
>> Okay.

833
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:18,240
» Uh we're into appointment papers. So we
will appoint I'll let you do that.

834
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,920
» You wanted to point him. As a matter of
fact, if you wouldn't mind reading them

835
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:27,359
all, Dan, there's one in there with me.
I can't read the town employer

836
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,960
that you can't read.
>> I can't that I can't read the

837
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:41,440
appointments.
>> Okay. So, Charles Day to be nominated

838
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:45,440
to a planning board uh seat. Do we need
to vote on that?

839
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:53,040
» Yes, please. Just read them all and
Ruby Fry uh tax collector,

840
01:02:49,119 --> 01:03:00,240
» Susette Francis, registar of voters. Uh
Susette Francis, town administrator.

841
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:06,400
Um, Ruby Fry, treasurer.
Ruby Fry. Um, let me see. General

842
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:12,880
assistance administrator.
Penny Sprag, town clerk.

843
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:18,240
Um, Penny Sprag. Um,
what is this?

844
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:25,680
Oh, 911 addressing officer. Yep. Um,
Alex Henry, CEO, and Mark Perry for

845
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,920
assessor's agent.
I guess it's not.

846
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,400
» That's okay. Is that it?
>> Yeah, I didn't see

847
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:34,480
» That's okay. I didn't know what was in
there, but I think you were doing that.

848
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,799
» So, I'll make um I do make a motion that
we uh appoint all those people

849
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:44,599
» for the upcoming year or
>> Well, yes. Started. Uh all in favor.

850
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:53,039
So, those people just have to uh Well,
she just

851
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,119
» swear Chris. Chris, go ahead, Chris.
Yeah,

852
01:03:53,599 --> 01:04:00,400
» we don't do all of them at once.
>> I noticed u the last meeting there was a

853
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:05,119
question I don't know Mr. Day. He's
probably a really nice guy. Um I have

854
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:11,039
been on going to the planning board
meetings for over a year and a half and

855
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:17,920
I was asked by uh God rest his soul was
uh Mr. Rule uh to attend and to possibly

856
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,960
be on the planning board which I wound
up going to many meetings. In fact, I

857
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:29,039
was at the last meeting
And I know that it has to go through the

858
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:33,839
select board, but I've been I've never
even met Mr. Day at any one of the

859
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:36,880
planning meetings
and I've been going for a year and a

860
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:42,079
half [clears throat]
and not consecutively,

861
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:48,480
but probably about at least twothirds of
it and I was an associate member of uh

862
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:52,960
on the uh planning board.
>> You are an associate member right now.

863
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:54,720
was an association member and wound up
happening. There was a spot that was

864
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,920
over.
>> I need to interrupt there for a minute.

865
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,520
He never came in and got sworn in so he
has never been a member. That was that

866
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:03,520
was pointed out to me the other day.
>> Are you referring to Mr. Ra?

867
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,720
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

868
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:09,520
» Okay. Sorry.
>> I don't know. Did you I think at the

869
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:17,039
same time you both associate.
>> I I'm pretty sure was never an

870
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:22,240
associate. I just got
>> Was I at Was I at any other meetings?

871
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:24,319
» Yes, you did meetings. I don't have
control over whether

872
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:31,520
» No, I'm not.
>> And I know you

873
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:36,240
want to say that I have participated and
I don't know how people can wind up

874
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:40,400
getting on a board who don't participate
and what's their background. I did and I

875
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:46,119
did send a letter of my
>> say it publicly

876
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:46,119
» to the committee of my stand.

877
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:54,000
» I think that usually the uh chair of the
planning board comes and gives us

878
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:58,480
suggestions as to who needs to be on
there. So if you've been going then we

879
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:01,920
can defer. I think there's a new chair.
Is not Rachel the new chair?

880
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:06,240
» Yes. And they were very in the last
meeting they were very uh they didn't

881
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:11,119
even know about this gentleman being
presented because Mr. Daily circumvented

882
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,119
the situation.
>> Circumvented?

883
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,880
» I don't think he did. I think that we
just had a

884
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,960
» I just nominated.
>> Yeah. The last

885
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:22,880
» I'm not I'm not picking on you, Dan. I'm
just saying that you know what the it

886
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:27,760
goes. It has to be a nomination has to
be done by the planning board and it

887
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:32,079
wasn't done that way. And they were even
unaware of this gentleman.

888
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,920
» Well, they are aware of him now because
I spoke to the chair myself and they

889
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,359
knew that last
at the meeting.

890
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:44,160
Rachel knew that he was being appointed.
>> It was a week ago, this past Monday

891
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:48,559
» and they said that they felt that they
put me in for it.

892
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,000
» Uh, are there more spots on the planning
board?

893
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:55,520
» I don't think so.
>> It was for [clears throat] Jean. Uh,

894
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:59,280
» this five plus to open right now.
Regional animal. Thank you, Chris.

895
01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:02,799
Regional animal control officer
discussion. That's you.

896
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,440
» So, you know, it's interesting on that.
Um I actually listened in on Heron's

897
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,559
pitch to the commissioners
>> about this.

898
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:13,200
» Yeah. Okay.
>> And it was really well received.

899
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:16,640
» It was very wellreceived. They um
>> he pitched it to I forget the date but

900
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:20,880
it was you know the county commissioners
meeting and it was just another way of

901
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,960
just sharing resources because this acco
was kind of a revolving door.

902
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,480
» It is
>> and the last one just kind of absconded

903
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:30,960
it without telling anybody.
>> You can't left a lot of people.

904
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:34,720
» We need to get a this is still a draft.
We the group that's got together um we

905
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:39,839
thought we had time to work on it like
the next budget year. Um but then a

906
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:45,920
couple three weeks ago her received an
email from the um ADA stating that he

907
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:51,280
would not prosecute any cases brought to
him by Jessica Lewis or her assistant

908
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:58,640
» Jessica. We can't.
>> So even if so um her appointment ran out

909
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:01,920
she done um I actually the board is
appointed

910
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:06,480
» you send her a letter. Yes,
because you haven't shown up.

911
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:13,760
» Your lack of absence. So, we take that
as a resignation. I believe that we

912
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:16,880
» um and intram is Doran Hkins. He really
doesn't want the job, but he's doing it

913
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,920
to fill in because we need one for state
law.

914
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,239
» We have to have one.
>> So, I think with that ADA letter, this

915
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:26,080
might take
creep up quicker than we thought.

916
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:29,120
» It's a very good idea to join together
and hire one and [laughter] that way

917
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:35,359
it's a full-time job. I'm reading over.
I do have a few questions for Heron. Um,

918
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,920
and it would be a personnel issue, so I
don't want to discuss it in public.

919
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,920
Actually, I probably could because the
personnel person had their meeting in

920
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,440
public.
>> Um, it Kevin Brody,

921
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,719
» he had his meeting in public, so it's
all public knowledge.

922
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:54,000
» Um, someone said in their meeting that
maybe he would apply for the job. I

923
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:58,239
talked to MMA about it with workers comp
and our insurance and all that to find

924
01:08:55,839 --> 01:09:04,319
out if we need anything else. and they
pointed me in some directions of what to

925
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:07,839
do to help cover ourselves.
>> Appointment papers can be specifically

926
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,920
» I want to be part of that group.
>> Yeah.

927
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,440
» Then you're not going to have an ACL.
>> Well, can we work this angle with her?

928
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:17,199
» I'm going to talk to her about it. I've
got my notes written down.

929
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:21,120
» No, he had so many causes.
>> I know. But

930
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:25,679
» her is working with the UT's and he's
working with Matias and a couple of

931
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:31,839
other
>> So I would let that play out if we can

932
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:34,640
then we're technically not
>> Yeah,

933
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,920
» right. That's true.
>> We're employing He's [clears throat]

934
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:42,000
waiting and see how that runs out before
we say anything. Why don't you like with

935
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,920
» I just got Yes, I got suggestions from
MMA, too. But

936
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:49,120
» yeah,
>> I looking that over though. I mean, if

937
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:54,400
we do go this route, I mean, I wouldn't,
>> you know, it says the IRS standard

938
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:58,159
mileage rate based uh for businesses pay
on 76 cents a mile. I mean, I wouldn't

939
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:02,080
even put the figure in there. Whatever.
>> That's federal.

940
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:04,880
» Yeah. Whatever. Whatever numbers you
don't yourself into,

941
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,000
» right?
>> Yes. It should be yearly. Yearly

942
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:15,600
audience.
>> Just a quick comment. Um, when we uh

943
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:21,120
when you talk to Heron Susette, um, can
we I think it would be prudent to send

944
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:25,679
along or have her collect all the town's
uh, ordinances, animal control

945
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:30,480
ordinances, it would be I would love it.
I'm saying that as a citizen, if our

946
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,560
acco right off the bat had that and and
knew that they needed to read our

947
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:39,840
ordinance, I feel like um, that was lost
in some previous some previous ACOs. uh

948
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:44,080
because there's a lot of stuff in there
that doesn't get enforced. We just want

949
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:50,320
to make sure that the new acco actually
reads our ordinance.

950
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:58,000
» And maybe if we go through a acco
several towns, shouldn't it be the same?

951
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:59,679
» Well, yes, they can't five different
ordinances,

952
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,760
» right? something that
>> I mean

953
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:13,920
» okay so that
>> so I just have something to say table

954
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,800
» no it's just a it was justformational
let you guys know that we're talking on

955
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:21,920
it
>> so in other business luckily we did get

956
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:27,679
some good news at 7:00 this morning the
lawyer's assistant emailed Susette and I

957
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:33,199
saying that 63 Pleasant Street the owner
has been served served. They found him.

958
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:36,560
He was legally served, which means they
put the hearing at the 26th because we

959
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,360
can't do anything the next meeting
because it's going to be a new board or

960
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,600
» revised board. And then that would be
the first meeting. So, if he doesn't

961
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:51,120
show up by either Zoom or here, then it
will be I believe deemed abandoned and

962
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:54,800
then you guys can go in and clean it up
>> and you know with help from I can give

963
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,320
you all that contact information if you
need it.

964
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,960
» Yeah.
So, um,

965
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,199
» committee updates
and [clears throat]

966
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,800
» what was the what was the address of
that?

967
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:08,560
» 63 Pleasant with the fence around it.
>> The fence.

968
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:12,159
» I have another question maybe for
Susette if I could. I'll wait till

969
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,280
afterwards until you guys are done
though about a different house.

970
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:18,480
» Okay.
>> That's on the like the derelict

971
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:21,840
buildings or whatever. The challenger
house, but I'll wait.

972
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:26,640
» Okay. That would be more to Alex.
>> Well, yeah, it's more to Al.

973
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:32,320
» You can ask Alex, but we're done. We
kind of went through total comment,

974
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:35,960
didn't we? Annie, come with the update.
>> Sitting right next to you.

975
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:43,199
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, dear. How was Mark's speech?

976
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:45,679
» It was good. You know, you know whoever.
Oh, I know.

977
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,880
» I wish I had I was in Bangor at the
time.

978
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:54,640
» Oh, he's in a Oh, yeah.
>> What? He did. He did.

979
01:12:52,320 --> 01:13:00,080
» It was like a big banana.
>> I wish you would have wor yellow.

980
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:04,159
» Hi everyone. Um those you don't know me,
I'm Annie, the chair of the Lost

981
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:08,640
Fisherman's Memorial. Um we did our
event on July 21st. Everything went

982
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:13,120
really well. Um
>> yes, you did. Um this year's ceremony

983
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:19,600
brought together families, commercial
fishermen, elected officials, sponsors,

984
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:24,640
volunteers, um visitors from across
Maine. During the ceremony, we dedicated

985
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:29,440
the newly engraved names of Thomas West
and Steven Johnson Jr. this year. The

986
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:35,440
response from the community and those
who attended has really been

987
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:40,800
overwhelming positive this year. Um
members are expressing their

988
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:48,719
appreciation and compassion has been
reflected. Um the ceremony this year has

989
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:55,679
the reflections have been
re really really well. Um the media

990
01:13:51,199 --> 01:14:02,320
turnout was really good and it has
reached honestly globally at this point.

991
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:10,159
Um so the turnout was good. the response
has been really really good um

992
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:16,239
coming back and um
I'm really hoping that everything goes

993
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:22,159
well at the upcoming annual town
meeting. This is going to be

994
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:26,480
um an important milestone for us this
year. So the town vote when everybody

995
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:31,600
comes out this year [snorts] is going to
be really important for us. So that's

996
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:36,960
when the town's going to decide if you
guys are going to take stewardship

997
01:14:33,046 --> 01:14:41,360
[snorts] of this memorial or not. Um
because if not, it's going to be the

998
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:49,280
next decision of who is going to take
ownership of it. So this is a decision

999
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:52,960
that we're going to need to make. Um the
if the town takes stewardship, it's

1000
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:57,920
going to remain a permanent place for
protection, a place of rememberment, re

1001
01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:04,400
remembrance, education, and reflection
for us. So um I hope that it does remain

1002
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:09,920
with the town. On behalf of the
committee, I extend my sincere thanks to

1003
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:14,719
the select board, the town staff, our
volunteers, sponsors, don donors,

1004
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:19,760
citizens of Lubec for their continued
encouragement and support. And together

1005
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:24,719
we are ensuring that the sacri
sacrifices of Maine's commercial

1006
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:28,080
fishermen will never be forgotten. So,
thank you truly for all of you for all

1007
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,397
you've done.
>> Thank you so much. [applause]

1008
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:47,040
We are getting seed for the upcoming
year. We're going to be purchasing

1009
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:53,520
seedlings
and um they had talked about getting a

1010
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:57,920
grant maybe for purchasing seed for this
upcoming year. The grant has not come

1011
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:02,640
out. Uh but I was wondering what you
guys think about that since the grant

1012
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:07,360
has not come out. We do. Julie can talk
to you more about it. Um cuz she has the

1013
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:15,040
information.
>> I reached out to Chris Bartlett Crant

1014
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:20,080
and they do have a grant. It's like
the talk is $5,000.

1015
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:26,960
I don't know if it's a match or not yet.
It hasn't been released, but paperwork.

1016
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:31,520
I believe we need the town's blessing
going forward to look into the ground.

1017
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:36,880
the letter.
>> Yeah, it would just be to look into the

1018
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:41,520
grant itself before doing anything.
>> They just have to apply um on behalf of

1019
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:44,400
the town because the money would come
into the town. So, it kind of like has

1020
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,640
to be our grant although they I think
they're going to do all the work.

1021
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:50,560
» Yeah,
>> it just has to have the town's blessing.

1022
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,520
» I'll keep updating.
>> We should make a motion to do that.

1023
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:57,679
Mark,
>> I'll make a motion. We support the um

1024
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:02,920
clam committee and the endeavors for
this grant.

1025
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:02,920
» Second. All in favor?

1026
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,320
» And if you need a letter, I'm sure they

1027
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:14,400
» uh any other committee updates.
>> Landa,

1028
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:21,520
» I just wanted to let the board know that
the um the uh celebration committee has

1029
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:28,239
declined
um in next year will be responsible for

1030
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:32,080
July 4th. But for any other days,
everybody's kind of gotten old,

1031
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,920
» sorted out,
>> tied out,

1032
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:42,239
» tied out. So, I hope that somebody will
pick up. We do a lot for like four days.

1033
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:47,600
And I'm hoping somebody will step up to
the plate for the kids most of all, but

1034
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:50,800
we'll always be for the fourth.
>> So, the actual day of the fourth, but

1035
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:53,840
not all the days. Is that what you're
saying? Just the day of the fourth.

1036
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:58,000
» Yes. Yeah.
>> So, we need to get that out there that

1037
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:02,719
we need to get some new
>> younger energy into the committee. Well,

1038
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:06,080
anybody who wants to
>> participate in the uh celebration

1039
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:10,239
committee, we'd love to have you come up
to the town and

1040
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:15,000
» we will certainly put you on.
>> I want to thank you for everything

1041
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,000
you've done.

1042
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,800
» Do I just go to the town office to get
on the celebration?

1043
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,954
» Oh, do you are you volunteering right
now?

1044
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,974
» Nominated.
>> [laughter]

1045
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:35,679
» Thank you, Jennifer. Excellent.
>> Love that.

1046
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:40,960
» Yes. You know, and I was thinking of
whole thing around clam like a clam bake

1047
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:45,120
or something around the July 4th. Not to
give you any ideas, but [clears throat]

1048
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:49,520
seeing as you're so involved with the
clam committee to begin with, and would

1049
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:53,440
be really great to have that
incorporated in one of the days, I

1050
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,440
think.

1051
01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:03,280
So if there's nothing else here, can I
ask one thing? I I'm sorry for now, but

1052
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:08,960
Susette, you guys have made out a a
little form or something about how the

1053
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:12,560
town votes going to be different.
>> Yes. Actually, not the town vote. The

1054
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,800
town warrant articles are
>> just more put together.

1055
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,320
» They're more condensed.
>> Yes. And just condensed

1056
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:25,679
» instead of having like 15 articles. This
is does LCO not LC

1057
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:31,360
500 blah blah we can get stuff like that
all into one

1058
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:35,120
» but the ability to to change each
individual we'll say department under

1059
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:37,360
that article number is still there
>> okay

1060
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:41,120
» so it's not like it's locked in if it
says 100,000 here it doesn't mean that

1061
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:45,120
you can't change down here
>> in in an effort to help my board member

1062
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:50,640
to my left who really has to go
someplace right now I would suggest that

1063
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:53,920
we might either let her go or ajourn
>> adjourn.

1064
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:58,400
» If we could let her go, if I could ask
if you could please give the dates of

1065
01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:01,840
the meet the vote [clears throat] and
all those important dates.

1066
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:07,120
» August 11 and August 12th.
>> August 11th is 8 to 6. It's town office

1067
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:10,560
for the board positions. In August 12th,
it's a town meeting at 6:00 p.m. at the

1068
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,640
cafeteria.
>> Go ahead.

1069
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:17,199
» I just want to gauge an interest in
this. Um, so it came to my attention

1070
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,920
like a couple weeks ago that the
Challenger House, um, which is one of

1071
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,880
like the Derelick buildings or whatever
that's been a problem and it's been on

1072
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,320
Alex Henry's list for a really long
time.

1073
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,040
» Which one is the
>> It's the big green one. I think it's on

1074
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:33,719
Pleasant Street.
>> Pleasant Street.

1075
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:33,719
» Normally,

1076
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:43,679
» it's been in a a terrible state
obviously for a very long time. Um it's

1077
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:48,159
my understanding through verification um
through

1078
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:53,760
the the county the deed records that
that there's been uh sewer leans for 16

1079
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:57,840
months almost 17 months on that
property. Um I'm pretty sure that the

1080
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:01,280
taxes are paid, but there are sewer
leans and I wanted to verify that with

1081
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:06,880
Suzette. I meant to come into the town
office um last week, but I didn't get to

1082
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:11,840
it. Um so here I just have this idea for
you guys. Here in the state of Maine,

1083
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:17,679
you can do a a statutory
uh uh foreclosure basically obviously

1084
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:22,080
for taxes and for unpaid sewer. Um that
has been it's now under HUD. It's under

1085
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:26,159
it was relinquished to HUD through
Castle Rock REO and Tikville partners. I

1086
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:31,199
I verified that with the contact that I
had there. It will sit in HUD forever.

1087
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:35,760
And there
>> Yeah, it will sit forever. So, the

1088
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:40,159
contact that I talked to last week told
me that his suggestion would be for the

1089
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:45,280
town to immediately send the letter of
intent to foreclose for sewer back back

1090
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:49,679
fees for sewers. It's a statutory
foreclosure. It does not require legal

1091
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:53,600
anything. Doesn't require court
appearances. It doesn't require an

1092
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:59,199
attorney at all. And it is literally a
way to get that out of the hands of HUD.

1093
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:03,520
Um, and I think that that that notice of
intent would have to be filed probably

1094
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:07,760
within the next like two weeks. Um, but
it's I think it's 18 months that it can

1095
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:10,320
be basically
>> lean

1096
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:16,880
» taken. Go for 18 months. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So I I would that would be like my

1097
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,239
suggestion. Gage that and get it out of
his hands.

1098
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:23,520
» I love this.
>> Get it out of the hands of HUD. I'm not

1099
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:27,840
like trying to be like about it. But
Gate really needs to go back under the

1100
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:31,199
care of a private owner and everything.
Someone in the town who can invest in it

1101
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:35,199
and and do something with it. It's the
oldest house in Lubebec. Maybe if no one

1102
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,480
does anything with it, at least it can
just get out of the state that it's in

1103
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:45,679
and get off of the town's plate.
>> As recently as this week, I talked to

1104
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:49,120
Alex about the number of um contacts he
has out there for derelite buildings and

1105
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:52,960
I [clears throat] think you said only
five.

1106
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:55,760
» I keep a I've got a priority list of
five. That's right.

1107
01:22:53,679 --> 01:23:00,880
» So, and because I asked, you know, that
that there we ought to keep a rolling.

1108
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:05,360
No, we shouldn't just set at five and
add more to that. And I agree that

1109
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:09,199
building is gonna
>> fall right down around itself.

1110
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,080
» I have experience with that home as
well.

1111
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,320
» Um
>> yeah,

1112
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:15,520
» contacting someone in the state of Maine
for HUD. You're never going to get

1113
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:19,840
anyone. It's all managed through Boston,
I believe. Um the state of you'll never

1114
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:23,840
get a live body in the state of Maine.
Um and I talked to someone last week as

1115
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:28,159
well. They don't even have a record of
that being on their like federal list of

1116
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:32,159
anything. So, I think now's the time for
the town to just take it.

1117
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:35,840
» Well, thank you. Thank you very much. I
think that Susette's going to follow up

1118
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:45,960
on that and anything we can do to deal
with we want to do especially about Yes.

1119
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,960
» motion to all in favor

1120
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,040
three wins.
>> Oh, shoot. I did that back.

1121
01:23:49,148 --> 01:23:55,760
[clears throat]
>> I don't have anybody else. couple

1122
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:55,760
questions can ask.