[0:12] I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[0:18] for it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:24] all.
[0:34] I saw him in the
>> um so going to open the assessor's
[0:39] meeting. We don't have assessor tonight.
>> Joanne will be here.
[0:43] » Well, okay.
>> If you want
[0:46] » give her a minute.
>> Oh, she's right in the
[0:51] » G.
[0:54] I can't help her.
[0:58] candy. Lots of it.
[1:02] » I don't think anything on the agenda.
>> Yes, it is.
[1:06] » I came while we're waiting for
>> Okay.
[1:08] » Yes.
>> We're going to jump a little bit ahead
[1:12] while we're waiting for Joanne. Um we're
going to go down to the old business. Um
[1:17] the town administrator public comment
update. I wanted to let people know that
[1:22] um I want to acknowledge that I was
incorrect in my statement um at the last
[1:27] meeting when I stated that only agenda
items can be discussed during the public
[1:30] comment period. I read the shortened
version that was provided by AMMA and
[1:34] did not go and look for the entire
article. Um
[1:39] I did see it does state that as at a
minimum public comment must be allowed
[1:46] for agenda items at a minimum. Um, and
the board has full discretion to allow
[1:50] or not allow other topics during public
comment. So, I did simply the board an
[1:55] email saying, "I apologize for um saying
that. If I had done my research like I
[2:00] normally do, I would have seen the
two-page column instead of the shortened
[2:04] version that they put in the magazine to
send us."
[2:07] » Honest mistake.
>> What's the catalyst behind that, though?
[2:10] What What initiated that?
>> That was I found it in the MMA.
[2:15] » No. Why didn't you go looking? I didn't
go look when the MMA no when the MMA
[2:19] catalog comes out since I've been here
is tax collective way back the first
[2:22] thing I went to I open up the back and
go to the legal notes
[2:25] » that was in there back in September.
>> Okay.
[2:28] » Never really paid much attention to it.
Um and then it seemed to be coming the
[2:32] meetings were
I don't want to say unruly being
[2:36] interrupted by the same by the same old
issue. Yeah. That had already been
[2:41] decided at previous meetings and at
previous out of
[2:44] » other meetings not slack and it just
seemed you know why keep beating the
[2:48] dead horse when you can not stop it but
just settle it a little.
[2:52] » So where my mind goes though is like
who's running the meeting?
[2:55] » Is it you or is it Carol?
>> It should be the chair that's like
[2:57] » Yeah. So then that's where my mind goes.
Why did you go and do that?
[3:01] » Because
>> you were at that meeting and she stopped
[3:04] the comment. I guess I should have said
and stop.
[3:07] » Yes, I understand. I guess she I guess I
guess I I deferred to her interpretation
[3:12] of it and I was kind of like, okay. But
then we immediately did research and I
[3:17] said, "Hey, that's not what it read." I
I went and read it again. It doesn't say
[3:20] that. It says you have exactly what
she's saying. I'd like to uh for us to
[3:25] consider this evening even for the next
agenda to have at the beginning public
[3:31] comment for things that are not on the
agenda.
[3:35] » Isn't that just public?
>> Usually it's at the end public comment
[3:40] » but public comment is usually stuff.
>> Oh yeah.
[3:45] » Yeah.
>> I mean we have public comment on any
[3:48] article anyway. Well, that's a great
idea and in in another couple of weeks
[3:52] there'll be a new board that you can
present that to. So, I think maybe we'll
[3:55] just
>> stick to this and for the last meeting.
[4:00] » Um, but we have always in the last 12
years I've been on here let everybody
[4:05] talk on agenda items when the agenda was
being discussed, not at the end because
[4:09] what's the point of talking about
something on the agenda at the end when
[4:12] we've already decided on something. So,
I don't think I've ever stopped anybody
[4:16] from speaking.
Yes, Bravita.
[4:20] » Oh, hi. Um, so I'm just Well, first of
all, I appreciate so much the open
[4:25] public comment because that is such a
democratic crisis in here. So, I have
[4:31] appreciated that. Um, I'm just trying to
straighten something out because on the
[4:37] day of the last select board meeting,
which was July 15th, I came into the
[4:41] office and registered my trailer and I
paid my sewer bill. I also picked up an
[4:46] agenda and on that agenda it clearly
said public comment. Then I came into
[4:51] the select board meeting in the evening
and then it said on the agenda public
[4:55] comment by agenda items only. And I'm
just trying to figure out between during
[5:01] the day when I was in the office to this
what happened and why did that happen?
[5:07] » I can answer that. I was asked
to have the article that I printed off
[5:14] everybody highlighted at that meeting.
I was not asked by anybody to put that
[5:20] on there. I put that on the public
comments only
[5:24] for agenda items. I did send the chair a
picture of it and she was fine with it.
[5:30] » I didn't It's my fault. I didn't read
it. I I've always had public comic in 12
[5:36] years and I've always called on you and
John and anybody else with her hands up.
[5:41] » So then I I don't I don't know because I
had been read something that said it had
[5:46] to be pertaining to agenda items and I
said okay whatever and that's what
[5:51] happened and it was one meeting and it
it was a mistake.
[5:54] » Okay. Well, I thank you for saying that
was a mistake because ultimately
[5:58] » and you you didn't even say for public
comment and you guys
[6:01] » you you want to know why that was
unbelievably insulting that as a
[6:05] taxpayer I was not allowed to speak
openly. Okay. But anyway, getting back,
[6:10] you know, ultimately, Carol, I
appreciate what's just being said by
[6:14] both of you. Um, but ultimately, like
you said in the meeting, no public
[6:19] comment. Ultimately, you were in charge.
You're the sole person in charge of the
[6:24] agenda and you are leading this town.
You are leading this town and
[6:29] » who's lead what?
>> You are the leader of this town
[6:32] » and ultimately you know I would have
hoped that you would have said I would
[6:36] have hoped you're the leader of the
town. I would have hoped that you would
[6:39] have said you know what Susette
absolutely no way. There is no way we're
[6:43] going to put this on.
>> So anyway I thank you for both of what
[6:46] you said
>> and just just to get some little history
[6:49] here. Just a sec. One minute John.
When John Dan Wagner and I got on 12
[6:55] years ago on this board, the previous
board, zero public comment. They had
[7:00] taken it completely off. Now, you had
Yes, there there was a thing. There was
[7:06] a um
>> we almost had public comment at the end
[7:09] like we have now.
>> Maybe that's what it was. No public
[7:12] comments at the end. Maybe at the end.
Okay. So, that I may be wrong with that.
[7:17] » Go ahead then, John.
So, um, you know, I can't help to think
[7:21] that, uh, this change to the public
comment section at the July 15th meeting
[7:26] came after some meetings in which, uh,
the select board chair was answering
[7:30] some tough questions on her residency,
um, government homestead exemption and
[7:35] also the $150 per month for the Harbor
Office lease. Um, are those things
[7:40] connected? Did one lead to the was one?
not to me because every time you came
[7:46] and I let you speak even though you
repeatedly brought up the same thing and
[7:49] since we're discussing your um
objections to things
[7:53] » in your letter in the paper I would like
to make some of my own comments.
[7:57] My lease was approved of by the entire
town for 5 years for the price that it
[8:04] was whether it was it was $1,800. If the
town wanted me to pay more money the
[8:09] town could have asked. So they did not.
It was approved of and there's really no
[8:13] discussion there because it was
unanimously voted on
[8:16] » and the price wasn't included on the
warrant.
[8:18] » It was included when someone asked and
it was on the warrant. So if you wanted
[8:22] to know what it was, you had to come to
the meeting and really people all should
[8:26] come to the annual town meeting. We
never get anybody to come unless there's
[8:30] some conflictual thing on there. And
secondly about my voting residence.
[8:37] My voting residence has been the same
for 22 years. It's my primary residence.
[8:43] I actually ran it by the assessor
yesterday. I talked to him at length
[8:48] about it because I have a prenuptual
agreement which says that Ralph's house
[8:53] is his and my house is mine and we had
them before we got married. I have no
[8:59] there's no other person on my deed. And
the requirements for homestead is you
[9:04] have to put the sole person on your
deed. You have to come and go. You have
[9:09] to live there and come and go as you
please. You can leave when you want.
[9:12] Come back. You have to pay your taxes.
>> I was referring to actual residents, not
[9:18] » Carol.
>> Well, I'm going to I'm going to address
[9:19] all of the things that were published.
>> You know what? This
[9:22] » Let me finish.
>> This should be
[9:25] » All right. This should be at the end of
the public comment.
[9:28] » No, they started asking questions and
I'm going to answer.
[9:30] » You know what?
I I am a person who is totally against
[9:37] someone out of town running for public
office in this town. I've been against
[9:42] it for 33 years and I'm still against
it. When you you don't have when you
[9:48] have to be in your principal residence,
you're a principal residence and not is
[9:54] not on
>> that. That is my voting and principal
[9:57] residence
is not here.
[10:00] » I'm sorry. It's not your principal
residence at Tres.
[10:04] » Let's scale it down. So, let me just
define a few things for the public.
[10:09] » This has come up a couple times from not
only uh the Delaneies, but other folks
[10:14] » and when we've looked into it. The
principal residence is where you lay
[10:18] your taxation and property uh ownership
does not designate your ability to sit
[10:23] on a board or specifically the select
board. You your principal residence
[10:28] needs to be within that town. Period.
That's our town charter. I didn't write
[10:32] it. That's how it's written. So,
principal residence means where you lay
[10:37] your head every single night.
Now, we have people that live in Whiting
[10:41] and Trescuit that continue to vote in
Lubebeck politics. The way it's written
[10:46] for the state is that if they intend to
return to Lubec and they don't vote in
[10:52] another municipality, they can retain
that voting right in Lubec. But when it
[10:57] comes specific to select board, your
principal residence has to be in that
[11:03] municipality.
That's all I know.
[11:08] Anybody else?
>> You shut me off.
[11:12] » Well, you're getting angry.
I've been against it for years and I've
[11:17] tried and tried and tried to get this
finalized that your principal residence
[11:22] is where you need to be in order to run.
Poor old Wanda Corey years ago at the
[11:29] school board me uh being a school board
member
[11:33] » was booted off because she moved to
Truscuit.
[11:37] » James Jones was booted off
>> in a family residence. they retain their
[11:41] house where they could come and go, pay
their taxes, pay their income taxes,
[11:46] » uh have should be remedyed one way or
the other. I'm sorry. The state
[11:52] » what I would say is what trumps which
does our charter
[11:56] to interpret it.
>> Does our charter trump what you have or
[11:59] does what you have trump our charter and
if we need to address our charter and
[12:04] make amendments then we should do that.
Well, the state said I can run. If the
[12:09] people don't want me running, then I
guess they'll come out.
[12:13] » It's not and they'll vote.
>> Honey, you I know what you've done for
[12:17] this town. I know that. I've been there.
It's not you. It's everybody. It's
[12:22] anybody that's from out of the area, out
of out of the back.
[12:26] » The state says it's my principal
residence and I pay [snorts] that and I
[12:29] pay for it that way. No one no one
rents. I don't rent it out. No one else.
[12:33] I can come and go as I please. and you
were allowed to have one principal
[12:36] residence and that's mine and you know
very well that I could at one point that
[12:41] he would say you have to leave and I
would have that where that's where I
[12:44] would be so I can go and come from that
residence and I paid a paid a lot of
[12:50] taxes I I I don't I don't need the work
I you know I really don't
[12:56] » I know that
>> I mean I spent 12 years working for the
[13:00] town you have that
>> legally the state says I can run for
[13:05] office. And hey, Hillary moved to
Chaplaw just to run for senator in New
[13:10] York City. New York State. She
established residency in Chap.
[13:15] » I still say that a question,
>> Chris.
[13:18] » Yeah, I I'm pretty sure about this that
you have to be six months and one day
[13:24] where you file your federal taxes. So
>> that's Florida rules different.
[13:30] » No, it's not Florida rules.
>> That is federal rules. Okay. So, don't I
[13:35] mean like people like to put spoons on
things and I'm positive about that.
[13:38] Okay. It's six months and one day
wherever anyone files their federal
[13:44] taxes. I can be wrong. Prove me wrong,
but I'm pretty positive of it. All
[13:50] right. I'm I'm always willing to learn.
Okay. So, wherever you're where and I'm
[13:54] not saying you I don't even know what
your situation is. I just know what the
[13:58] law is.
Well,
[14:01] » um, go ahead.
>> I I would like to know when public
[14:04] comment is going to happen during the
meeting because there is something that
[14:08] I would like to say to the people in the
room and to the select board.
[14:12] » Well, Mark wants to do it now. So, let
me speak now.
[14:16] » Yeah, go ahead. I may not be here next
meeting. So,
[14:19] » okay. Um, I think I'm going to stand up.
I when I stand up, my voice projects a
[14:25] little bit better. Um,
yeah.
[14:30] Sorry. Um, my name's
>> I know there is no way. There's a poll.
[14:36] Anyway, my name's Noel Abrahamson
and I live in East Machias and I
[14:43] recognize a couple of familiar faces and
I own an LLC called Calypso Seaweed Farm
[14:52] and Brewery. And the reason why I came
to this meeting tonight was because I
[14:57] wrote a letter of intent to the main
natural resources coastal program to ask
[15:06] for money to do uh eelgrass habitat
restoration. Um and before I go further,
[15:13] does do people know what eelrass or
seaggrass is?
[15:17] » Can you spell it out?
>> Eelass. E E L G O
[15:23] » Oh, no. I mean, [laughter]
[15:27] » that's so good. Oh, that's the best
night. I'll tell you what.
[15:33] » Hooked on phonics, I guess. I [laughter]
don't know. Holy crap. That is so good.
[15:38] » Oh, yeah.
>> So, do you want me to describe my letter
[15:43] of intent?
>> No. Like, eelgrass. What does it mean?
[15:46] Like, what is it?
>> Oh, okay. What is it? Okay. So,
[15:49] » [laughter]
>> E L That was so good. That was so good.
[15:56] » All right, go. [laughter]
>> That was pretty funny.
[16:00] » Um, yeah, I do take things
more or seriously and and I think that's
[16:06] why I came tonight is like people are
like, "Who is Noel Abrahamson and what
[16:11] is Calypso Seaweed Farm and Brewery?"
And I'm like, Noel, the only way that
[16:15] people are going to get to know you is
if you get outside of your comfort zone
[16:18] and go out into your community and and
introduce yourself. So, uh, eel grass in
[16:26] our community in Maine has that habitat
has decreased uh 60%
[16:33] over like the last hundred years. And
eel grass is important because it helps
[16:40] stabilize the sediment that is around
it. Um, it grows by ryomes like a
[16:46] strawberry plant would, but it is also a
flowering plant as well. So, it
[16:51] reproduces two different ways. Um,
and why would having more eel [snorts]
[16:58] grass matter
to a community like this? Um, well, I
[17:04] know you guys are really big on clams. I
know you guys are really big on
[17:08] lobsters. I know you guys are really big
on uh ground fish, fish that live on the
[17:14] bottom, but also fish that start their
life
[17:19] in the water column, but hang out on the
bottom in a place like an eel grass
[17:25] meadow when they're juveniles, and then
they go back up into the water column to
[17:30] finish out the rest of their lives. So
your forage fish
[17:35] and your commercially important species
of fish. So eel grass is important for
[17:43] providing a home for those juvenile fish
to grow up so that we can eat them
[17:48] later. Same thing with the lobsters. The
juvenile lobsters hang out in the eel
[17:53] grass meadows and then they move out
when they get bigger.
[17:57] And then the way that it works for clams
and other kinds of um by valves, the
[18:03] shellfish like muscles and stuff is that
kind of like if you were standing in the
[18:10] woods compared to like an open meadow,
it's really protected from the wind in
[18:16] the woods. Whereas you were out on the
mud flats or a meadow or a corn field,
[18:22] you wouldn't be protected from wind. Uh
eel grass works like that in the water.
[18:28] So it slows the water velocity down so
that um things like laral shellfish,
[18:36] larville fish and sediment can kind of
slow down and sink to the bottom. So,
[18:44] um, you do have some local eelgrass
meadows that you could get seed from or
[18:51] transplant shoots from that are that are
healthy. And then look at historical
[18:57] data to be like, okay, this might be a
good place to kind of do a little trial
[19:02] plot.
And then if that doesn't work out, then
[19:06] try to find another spot and do a small
planting
[19:09] or seed drop to see if it's going to
even be a good spot to try to bring eel
[19:14] grass back.
>> So, I have a couple questions.
[19:16] » Yeah.
>> What do you um
[19:20] attribute the 60% reduction in eel grass
in the last 100 years to
[19:24] » there? There's a lot of um theories out
there. So, um, green crabs have been
[19:30] talked about really
>> because they like to dig around, right,
[19:33] to get to their food, right? They also
will clip the shoots off of
[19:37] » the top. The green growing shoots are
kind of like ribbons. And then um also
[19:43] if the water quality is poor as if like
if it's hard for light to penetrate
[19:47] through the water because it is a a
plant it does through photosynthesis
[19:52] like that would reduce um a good place
for ill grass to go like just light has
[19:58] a hard time going through.
[20:03] Storms [snorts] can rip it out. A big
storm can yank it out. um dredging,
[20:09] uh anchors,
dredging, um like anything that being is
[20:14] being pulled along the bottom.
>> Yeah, we have a big scallop fishery
[20:18] here, right?
>> But I mean is around the bay like along
[20:22] the shoreline.
>> It's found in the inner title to
[20:24] subtitle. So minus 2 feet, so about a
minus meter of typical depth.
[20:32] » So draggers wouldn't
>> No, they're not going to be up in there.
[20:36] Yeah. And now is this a state or federal
grant?
[20:38] » Um, this particular one, so this pot of
money that I was asking to receive funds
[20:43] from was a state one and it was
basically like if a company like Target
[20:49] or Walmart built on a marsh, they would
have to pay into it
[20:54] » um because they're they're taking away
marsh habitat. And so they put money
[20:58] into that and then um organizations like
tribes, state agencies, municipalities,
[21:05] and nonprofit organizations can ask for
money from that pot to do projects like
[21:13] the one I'm talking about.
>> Excellent.
[21:16] » So, thank you for listening. It's
>> What did you want from the board? Well,
[21:21] like I said, I my business is a non uh
is a LLC. So, it is not structured like
[21:27] a nonprofit. I am not a tribe. I'm not a
state mun a state agency, nor am I a
[21:35] municipality. So, when I turned that
letter in to my proposal, I realized I
[21:42] didn't have relationships and partners
within the area that I live that I
[21:48] wanted to do the project. So, I'm here
to start having a rel relationship with
[21:54] the board, with the municipality, with
the people that use the inner title. Um,
[22:00] and and pretty much eat and live there.
>> And so, you might want to go to the
[22:03] claim committee as well.
>> I have, which is you've been you've been
[22:07] to them already?
>> Yeah. So, it's just kind of a like I
[22:11] said, put myself out there, but thank
you for the suggestion.
[22:14] » Where where are you looking for to
establish these trial areas? Are you
[22:18] just looking for private?
>> I really liked um was it is it do you
[22:22] pronounce it? Mal
Mry Beach.
[22:26] » That looked like a good uh potential
site where there's been erosion
[22:30] happening and there has been historical
eel grass meadows there in the past. And
[22:36] there might even be a present eelgrass
metal off of Woodruff uh point in there.
[22:42] So you could take from what's there and
put it nearby. And then there was
[22:46] another spot past the bridge,
Black Duck Cove,
[22:52] and I think it might be in a different
township. Um, but it's a property
[22:58] off of that's a part of Cobskook Shores.
Um, Red Point, they might have a healthy
[23:04] eelgrass meadow tucked up in Cobskook
Bay as well. So,
[23:09] » what's your contact info in case someone
wants to reach out to you?
[23:12] » Sure. Um, so my phone number, I just got
a 207 area code. It used to be a
[23:18] Minnesota phone number. Um, 207483
[23:25] 7581
[23:29] and you want to know my email because
it's long and it's a scientific name.
[23:35] Uh,
>> oh, spell it out.
[23:36] » Spell it out. [laughter]
>> There's going to be a spelling be
[23:40] afterwards. Didn't you say spell out
earlier?
[23:42] » Yeah.
>> E A L
[23:47] A N O
P H Y
[23:53] L L I A
E L E.
[23:59] » Dude,
>> G [laughter]
[24:02] A N Sgmail.com.
[24:09] And my mom said, "Noel, don't pick an
email that's hard to spell." I'm like,
[24:13] "Well, if they care anything about me or
what I'm doing,
[24:17] » they will write it down. Make sure to
get it right."
[24:21] » Noel S.
[clears throat]
[24:24] » L I A. After that was E L E G A Ns.
>> Um, or two G.
[24:30] » L I A, right?
>> Yep.
[24:32] » E L E G A N S.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay.
[24:37] » You said G twice. So make two G's or
>> there is some giggling going on
[24:43] » the next shelfish meeting.
>> Thank you very much.
[24:47] » It's Thursday.
>> Yep. Thursday the 6
[24:50] » because of the ties.
>> Yeah. Which is that's next week, right?
[24:55] » Yeah. And I'm going to give them a short
little talk. I don't want to bore them
[24:59] too.
>> Thanks so much.
[25:00] » Thank you.
>> Thank you for your time and laughing
[25:02] with me.
>> So since we we decided to try public
[25:06] hearing first. Anything else?
[25:11] And uh John and Brigita, just to address
your issue and yours as well, uh I think
[25:17] that we'll have Susette send the wording
of the charter and the ruling of the
[25:23] state and have them decide what they
feel.
[25:26] » Which one's the preference?
>> Which one? Oh, what what well I just
[25:31] think they have to interpret our chart
or you know on a non you know like um
[25:36] non nobody has a vested interest like I
understand where you're coming from you
[25:40] move somewhere in a small community you
don't belong here but then there's a
[25:44] legal standing that so we just need to
have I I'm more than willing to have the
[25:51] lawyer decide the primary residence
wording in the charter coincides with
[25:56] what the state ruling has given these
these guys for the past how many years
[26:01] » and will you be willing to take their
opinion and I would be [clears throat]
[26:04] willing to take their opinion?
>> Um I I think another option is to let
[26:10] the voters decide.
>> That's also I'm more than willing to let
[26:13] the voters decide. Absolutely. If you're
willing to have let the voters decide.
[26:17] I'm on the ballot. I'm willing to let
the voters decide.
[26:20] » I think having a legal clarification
>> a legal clarification might help the
[26:24] voters as well.
>> Yeah. So, uh, I don't know whether
[26:28] they'll they'll find that out, but
certainly they can call the town office
[26:32] if Susette gets the answer within the
next few days.
[26:35] » Is there another I'd like to know
myself. Anybody else for public comment
[26:39] and we can go into the regular meeting,
>> but which was where are we?
[26:44] » We had um one assessant. Well, we have
one assessor abatement, but he's not
[26:50] here, but he asked us to abate
>> six.
[26:55] I'm sorry. What is your name?
>> Hey, uh Charles D. Um I figured while we
[27:00] had public comments since I came last
week, um just was applying to card uh be
[27:05] a part of the planning board.
>> Did we get that down the bottom, don't
[27:10] we?
>> I know. I guess he's asking to do it
[27:12] now.
>> Oh.
[27:13] » Oh, I thought Okay. I didn't know you
guys had it on your list.
[27:16] » We do have it on the agenda and he's
he's on there.
[27:20] » All right. Actually, it was just had
office employees. Just
[27:24] » she has she just has all your office
employees, but
[27:27] » we have Do we have
>> I have planning board ones made out.
[27:31] » You have the planning board ones made
out?
[27:32] » Yes, I do.
>> So, it is on the agenda. Are you okay?
[27:37] » You don't want to be here the whole time
and then decide it's not going to be on.
[27:40] I got it. And I'm sorry about the mixup
last week.
[27:43] » Yes. I apologize.
>> Okay. Uh we have to do you have this? Uh
[27:49] » no. They We just gotten it. He didn't
send it earlier.
[27:52] » Okay, just pass it down. It's $84 for
Downy's dogs.
[27:58] » What?
>> Down.
[28:01] » Isn't it Downy's?
>> Can I say Downward on?
[28:04] » I didn't touch it. He I didn't type
anything. [laughter]
[28:11] » Okay. Just
[28:16] » And nobody's seen it. So,
>> yeah. I'm just
[28:19] » down.
[28:26] gets the marker. I'm going to make a
[28:32] » I'll make a motion to go along with this
debatement.
[28:35] » Okay.
[laughter]
[28:40] » Don't get touchy.
[28:44] » It's a full moon, you know.
[28:49] You don't want to take on ne?
>> No. When she's ugly on a full moon.
[28:55] [clears throat]
>> I used to work at a nursing home. I know
[28:57] how crazy it can be.
>> You want to do that again?
[29:00] » What?
>> I just did it here.
[29:03] » I make that abatement a motion. Yes.
>> Okay. All in favor.
[29:11] » All right. So, we're going to go back to
the
[29:14] » select board meeting. We need a motion
to sign the warrants. Do you want this
[29:16] sign?
>> Motion.
[29:18] » Uh yeah, Republican.
>> Yes. Mark pass it the other way.
[29:24] » Motion to sign the warrants by move.
Second
[29:28] » uh discussion mark. Any discussion on
the
[29:31] » I asked my question earlier of Ruby. So
>> Oh, good. Did
[29:35] » did I notice it is um payment for the
fence? The guy that installed the fence
[29:40] is that on this week I was asked about
it.
[29:43] » Yeah, cuz you came in and provided his
information.
[29:45] » Okay. Yeah, thank you.
>> All in on paper then
[29:49] warrants.
>> Okay.
[29:52] » Motions approve the minutes.
>> So [clears throat] I read
[29:57] » as written. I read the whole thing.
>> Did you make any boo boos?
[30:00] » No.
[30:04] » No. I just say them out loud.
[30:09] We have second.
[30:13] [clears throat]
>> All in favor?
[30:16] » The minutes. Yes.
>> Minutes.
[30:18] » Okay. There's your um
>> abatement.
[30:20] » Abatement.
[30:38] This is the
[30:47] [snorts]
[30:54] Okay.
[30:57] Playground issue.
We have a couple of sides to talk on.
[31:02] Anybody else? Come on.
>> I don't know how you want to handle it.
[31:05] I don't know if it's like a status
update or if you want me to.
[31:07] » You can come up and explain your issue.
>> Did you want you asked quickly to put it
[31:13] on there? We This is just the only other
person that wasn't able to speak. A few
[31:18] people you you were wanted to speak. We
wanted an appointment and you guys
[31:21] wanted to speak. So,
>> Sure.
[31:23] » Go ahead.
>> Sure. So, uh my name is Sandra Tran. I
[31:27] am both a trust kit and a Lubec property
owner and taxpayer. Um, so I'm here
[31:32] tonight uh because what began as a
dispute over access to the Lubec
[31:36] Community Playground has revealed a much
larger issue that deserves the attention
[31:40] of this board and the community. On June
9th, shortly after 2 p.m., I was told by
[31:45] multiple individuals associated with the
Lubec Consolidated School that I was not
[31:49] allowed to bring my children on the
playground during school hours and that
[31:52] the playground was closed to the public
while school was in session. And to
[31:56] enforce those statements, I was sought
out by two of those individuals, once by
[32:01] a staff member on the playground and
then again by the principal, which
[32:06] eventually led to an unpleasant
encounter in a building outside their
[32:09] school jurisdiction and in front of my
seven and nine-year-old sons.
[32:14] Had there been a clearly written and
publicly available policy supporting the
[32:17] staff's claims, this discussion likely
would not be necessary. In the absence
[32:21] of illegal land use agreements, solid
contracts and policies, what protections
[32:25] do community members have from
harassment and threats from school
[32:28] staff? Select boards and school boards
are generally risk averse. So behaviors
[32:34] like that should immediately be
addressed, even if it's only for legal
[32:37] reasons.
To prepare to be here tonight, I spoke
[32:41] with the founders of the original
project. I spoke with Melissa Lee. I
[32:45] spoke with members of the playground
committee. One of them is here tonight.
[32:48] And I spoke with the superintendent of
the school. I I reviewed the history why
[32:51] the playground was created and what
purpose it was intended to serve. And my
[32:55] discoveries confirmed what I already
knew to be true before I even went to
[32:58] the playground that day. What
consistently emerged was a Luvac
[33:01] community playground was established as
a community resource created through
[33:05] community effort and shaped by the ideas
of local children dedicated to the
[33:09] families and citizens of this town. And
it was built to celebrate Lubec's
[33:12] maritime heritage and provide a place
where children and families could gather
[33:16] as a community. It is under management
by the town and it belongs to the
[33:20] community. And that history matters
because when a playground's created by
[33:24] the community and for the community,
access should not depend on the personal
[33:28] interpretation of any individual. Public
access should be governed by policy, not
[33:33] assumption, by written authority, not
verbal declarations. We are now
[33:37] subjected to a system in which citizens
are confronted, excluded, or threatened
[33:41] because of the construction. Because
after the construction of the community
[33:45] playground, an entity emerged and
decided to create their own authority.
[33:49] People are being led to believe they're
violating rules. And when citizens ask
[33:52] for those rules and restrictions
originated or what modifications have
[33:56] been made to them, there appears to be
no clear answer. And that should concern
[34:00] all of us. Community assets lose part of
their public value when access can be
[34:04] restricted by unwritten rules or
informal interpretations that change
[34:08] depending on who is speaking. Nobody
should be positioned to defend their
[34:12] presence or be apprehensive of visiting
a playground that was created for them.
[34:16] No town or school employee should be
left in the position of enforcing rules
[34:20] that did not originate from the founders
or townointed managers of the community
[34:24] playground. It's not fair to residents
and it's not fair fair to school staff.
[34:29] It should never be a place where
citizens feel unwelcome in their own
[34:32] community, especially when the necessary
funding and maintenance has always come
[34:35] from the individuals seeking its
benefits. Those who founded and
[34:39] participated in the res in the
restoration deserve to be honored
[34:42] through the preservation of the
principles upon which it was created.
[34:46] Those being community benefit which
clearly [cough and clears throat]
[34:49] exists. It's the only community
playground in Lubec. Community
[34:52] participation that was very obvious and
strongly displayed with the restoration
[34:56] efforts and community access which has
been threatened for far too long. So
[35:01] tonight, I respectfully ask the select
for board along with the school board,
[35:05] the playground committee to work
together to resolve this issue to create
[35:08] a clear, definitive, legally constructed
policy regarding who has authority over
[35:14] access to the playground, what rules
govern its use, and how those rules will
[35:18] be communicated to the public. Um, and I
also want to mention as well here too,
[35:26] miscommunications with malicious intent
should never be a part of a community.
[35:30] And the public employees who do this
should be addressed in a public forum.
[35:36] The individual who I asked to join me
here tonight would not come.
[35:41] » Okay? They're not here.
>> I'd like to hear from Melissa Lee
[35:45] » on this. Thank you.
>> Do you want me to sit or I can stand or
[35:50] talk or whatever.
>> Um,
[35:54] when 27 years ago when the community
playground concept came up, there was an
[36:02] amazing ground swell from the community
of support, of effort, of work, of
[36:09] money. There was a a committee and for
two and a half years we raised money. We
[36:15] had all these silly fundraisers and the
community came out to support them. Um,
[36:21] we worked with a company called Leathers
and Associates and one of their
[36:28] rules for working with us is that 90% of
the money had to be raised locally. Only
[36:35] 10% could be grant money. And it was.
And we got enough money.
[36:42] Again, one of their rules was that we
have an endowment, you know, money set
[36:47] aside for for ongoing maintenance. So,
all of that happened and at the time it
[36:55] was such a an amazing process.
5,000
[37:01] people over a five-day period
participated
[37:05] in building it. It was so that the there
were verbal agreements between the
[37:12] school board [snorts] and the town for
um you know this is town land but it's
[37:19] school property and you know as uh Dicki
said last time there's just one line in
[37:27] a school board meeting saying we give
permission for it to happen there. But
[37:32] the reason that it wasn't more clearly
state out stated is it was so obvious at
[37:39] the time it was so obvious that this was
for the community for a community
[37:46] resource. It was not a school
playground. It was a a community
[37:51] playground. And in my mind, having been
there from the beginning, it is so black
[37:59] and white. It's not gray. It's not a
gray issue. It's a community playground.
[38:05] It's for the community. The school has
their own playground. I'm so happy that
[38:10] it's being used so heavily by the school
and by the after school program and by
[38:16] the summer wreck, but it's
it's meant to be a an inclusive,
[38:25] welcoming
community asset.
[38:29] » Thank you. And I sure hope it stays that
way.
[38:32] » Dicky, have you guys discussed this at
the school board?
[38:35] » We next week, next Thursday night at
schoolboard meeting.
[38:39] » The agenda just came up today with that.
>> Okay. I'll plan on going as well.
[38:43] » Yeah. So,
>> I also was with Melissa the whole time.
[38:49] » Oh, go ahead.
>> And I'll tell you, I and I reiterate
[38:52] what she said. It was just a community
involvement. I mean, it was crazy. We
[38:58] had tents up. They had food lines. It
was just amazing.
[39:03] » And I don't think anyone down there ever
thought that it would be just, you know,
[39:08] an item for the school to run. I mean,
no, it was it's a town involvement. So,
[39:15] this community involvement seems pretty
>> This line now playground is open to the
[39:20] public only when school is not in
session. So, you don't approve, you
[39:23] don't agree with
>> No. Can I Can I address that? I would
[39:26] really like to address a lot of the
miscommunication
[39:29] » on the back of this. This was what the
superintendent sent me.
[39:35] Um, and that was the sign. Um, so I have
talked with people in the Lubec the the
[39:40] playground committee. Um, Alex Henry is
here tonight. Um, and another individual
[39:45] who I've talked to regarding this sign
let me know that at the bottom here,
[39:51] line number seven, playground is open to
the public only when school is in
[39:54] session.
This, as far as I know, was agreed upon
[39:58] and this was discussed between Alex, the
playground committee, and other
[40:04] individuals at the school. It was the
playground committee who blacked that
[40:09] out.
>> Who made the sign to begin with?
[40:12] » I'd like to know that sign authorization
trump that sign.
[40:17] » Who had the authorization make that? To
me, those are arbitrary rules. Nobody
[40:21] knows where they drive from and they
should not be there. My understanding
[40:26] » come forth to say who
>> this is after the show we could find out
[40:29] and remain
>> Mary Ellen Day I I believe um she
[40:33] communicated with me as well I have
these emails that Dicki actually took
[40:37] that sign down to remove that paint and
put it back up. That was the intention.
[40:42] » The intent was to re to reveal what was
underneath it. Yes.
[40:45] » Okay.
>> So who made the decision to put this
[40:48] » I I'm sorry. I have to bring this to the
attention here. Dicki as a town employee
[40:53] who gets paid by the town should not be
going over the authority of Alex Henry.
[40:57] It's disrespectful and embarrassing.
That's Alex's Henry's job. He was
[41:01] appointed by the select board along with
other people on the committee. Dicki
[41:05] should not be going over Alex Henry's
head and removing things like that and
[41:09] in interjecting himself into something
that has nothing to do with
[41:12] » I am I also let's direct the the
comments to the board.
[41:15] » But here's the thing as well. The school
board policy here,
[41:20] Dicki,
nothing should even be addressed to you
[41:24] at all. The school board policy here
states board member conflict of interest
[41:32] or me board members financial interest.
A board member who has financial
[41:36] interest in a question or contract under
consideration when he or she a member of
[41:40] his or her immediate family may derive
some financial or other material benefit
[41:44] or loss as a result of board action.
And then here uh down
[41:52] everything that I highlighted. Basically
Dicki is to because he gets paid he has
[41:56] a financial interest from this town. He
is to remove himself from discussing
[42:01] or appearing interested in in
discussions like this. He is not even to
[42:06] vote for the school board. And I believe
this is the reason why it was it was
[42:11] requested that you not be involved
>> because he's part of parks and
[42:15] recommended
>> because he is part of the school board
[42:18] because he's an employee of this town.
He is it is a conflict of interest. The
[42:21] school board knows this
>> but only in the back that this is
[42:25] considered a park. Is that right?
>> And that I guess they're saying you need
[42:30] to recuse yourself on a vote. What do
you think?
[42:33] » Come up.
>> Well, you know
[42:34] » that's a good point. Hasn't come up yet.
I tell you what I think about this. I
[42:39] believe like Melissa and Dwyn both
saying, this was a community project for
[42:45] our community for our kids. It's for our
kids.
[42:49] » And I told Alex, I said the school
shouldn't have anything to do with this.
[42:54] The parking belongs to the town. I don't
know who the property, but it's a
[43:00] community and they have two of their
own. And I mean that's down there for
[43:06] our students to use anytime they want.
But if anybody else comes in, I don't
[43:11] know who's made up all this.
>> Yeah, I don't know.
[43:13] » It's too bad we
>> I'm sure that's the school board school
[43:17] board meeting of minutes and and the
school board should find that.
[43:20] » We should find out who authorized this
and that person should be held
[43:23] accountable for creating so many
problems.
[43:26] » Absolutely. That person should be held
accountable for creating so many
[43:29] problems in this town and in this
community. That is despicable. And I'm
[43:33] sorry. I don't want to get involved in
the whole, you know, Alex and Dicki
[43:36] situation, but I believe that that is
like he deserves an apology. Alex
[43:42] deserves an apology. I I don't think
that it's appropriate for anyone here in
[43:45] the town to go over Alex's head. He's
the one who was appointed by this town
[43:50] uh to to lead the efforts with the
community playground. It's under the
[43:53] town's management.
>> So, what what exactly happened? The sign
[43:56] got taken down. Dicky took it down with
the intent of removing the the the
[44:02] blacked out line number seven that that
was done by the playground committee and
[44:07] with the intent of putting it back up as
a school board member.
[44:11] » No, no, that's not true at all.
[44:16] » Because I have the email
in writing.
[44:22] » Sorry.
>> It had nothing to do with school.
[44:24] » You need to if you want to direct was
just asked to find out what was
[44:28] underneath the blacked out thing because
the question was asked and nobody could
[44:32] tell anybody what was underneath it or
who blacked it out.
[44:36] » Well, somebody who asked you must have
known what was underneath it.
[44:39] » Yeah. So, who
>> There's a lot of wise miscommunication.
[44:42] » I I apologize that the school board
hasn't looked this up. I talked to our
[44:47] chair today and and I hate to say she
didn't have you know she didn't know
[44:52] what this was all about and I don't call
her at all
[44:56] » who our chair of our school
>> but you know we
[45:01] » and it's going to be on your meeting
it's going to be in your next meeting
[45:04] Thursday
[45:07] » next Thursday
>> so Sandra just to follow up with thanks
[45:12] for doing all that research appreciate
it because the community deserves
[45:16] accessing.
>> Absolutely. And I I just want to make a
[45:18] statement, too. I'm not looking to be
like, "Oh, this is this is community's
[45:21] playground and it has nothing to do with
the school."
[45:23] » I'm just looking for people who go to
the playground to not be told to leave
[45:28] by the school. There's room for
everyone. Everyone can get along with
[45:32] everyone. The boogeyman's not hiding in
the bait shop at the playground.
[45:35] » So, you know, it's
>> it's it's it's not my intent to cause a
[45:40] problem. I just want this to be
resolved.
[45:42] » I mean, I was directing my question to
the chair, but But I will ask Mickey and
[45:46] all this with the sign. Who asked you to
>> take the sign down?
[45:51] » It came down. I took the sign down as
working for the town because I was told
[45:57] it was a town playground and I brought
it up here to look at the through the
[46:01] folder from back from when the thing
originated or wherever it was. And the
[46:06] only thing we could find was the sign
that had all seven numbers with no black
[46:11] paint on it.
So then I was like, well, I'm not doing
[46:15] anything else.
>> Annie,
[46:16] » I I do have to tell you this whole
board, Joanne may have been on the board
[46:20] back then, I do believe, but oh boy,
>> 27 years ago when this playground was
[46:26] built, my daughter and I were part of it
that built it. And there was no signs
[46:31] and there was no intention for anybody
to ever be
[46:35] » left out ever, no matter what time of
day it was.
[46:41] » Community placement. I I also like to
say um
[46:47] I don't really want to focus in on the
individual thing that happened to me
[46:51] with my kids because I got really thick
skin. I don't care about that. But there
[46:56] is
>> there's there's a lot of people here in
[46:59] this town who have the ability to to
take action on things like that because
[47:06] what happened to me was actually like
harassing and threatening and it was
[47:10] done to be to to be intimidating. I'm
well aware and to protect myself I
[47:16] recorded it. So, I'm just letting you
guys know that like as a select board
[47:23] and a school board who should be very
riskaverse in a small town and they you
[47:28] guys don't have the funding for lawsuits
and legal stuff like that. It really
[47:33] should be something that the town fixes
and someone should be in charge of some
[47:37] sort of uh uh maybe insurance policy and
everything there as well. That would be
[47:42] something to figure out. But this
probably should get resolved legally as
[47:46] long as the individual who causes all
these problems is in the mix. So I'm
[47:51] just going to be very firm in saying
that.
[47:52] » Appreciate all of your points.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[47:56] » I'll be at the school board meeting too
because I definitely follow up on this.
[48:03] » Intent to build ordinance fee
discussion.
[48:06] Alice, is that you?
>> Well, yeah. I think it's a conversation
[48:10] for all of us. Let me give a little
briefing.
[48:14] » You'll have a as everyone knows, we're
voting on the intent to build ordinance
[48:19] amendment at the uh town meeting and um
well, it would be advisable that there
[48:28] were um proposals for the suggested
square footage prices so that people
[48:34] have an idea as to what what they're
what to expect so they can vote on that
[48:38] appropriately. Um, so there should be
something in there. Joanne, you have it
[48:43] there. Those are the prices, square
footage that Cutler uh had at least as
[48:48] of a year ago when I when I put that
draft document together. Um, so they
[48:54] separated into residential, commercial,
and then accessory buildings and the
[48:59] fourth category demo, which is they do
it as free. So those would be sort of
[49:04] four categories that you would I would
think the select board would um come up
[49:08] with some prices suggested well actually
>> proposed prices right
[49:13] » to go along with with the vote
>> fees
[49:16] » fees yeah
>> um and um like I said those are cutlers
[49:20] so I don't have a suggestion for you as
a CEO those are just the next town over
[49:26] and what the prices what the
[clears throat] prices are here
[49:29] » the the planning committee is working on
this correct It has been or is it?
[49:34] » No. No. I just made the um as you
recall, Carol or the board made a
[49:39] request that um I make these amendments
so that they could be voted on. So, the
[49:45] planning board hasn't discussed this and
um especially these
[49:49] » I think basically it's just like the
clam the clam uh ordinance used to have
[49:54] the clam license in in it and we removed
it so that the clam board could uh on
[50:00] occasion review the prices as
>> as needed and then of course we approve
[50:06] of the it all comes to the select board.
So really they're only voting on taking
[50:10] the fee out.
>> That's correct. Correct. And by doing
[50:13] that and I think
>> and turning over the the
[50:16] » turning over the fee structure to the
slot world, which we've done with almost
[50:19] everything else.
>> Correct.
[50:20] » Every the
>> We've been talking about this for a
[50:22] couple years. That's correct.
>> And this is so basically they're just
[50:25] voting to take the fee structure out.
And I'm not sure why you have
[50:30] any of the any fee in there at all.
>> Well, that's not part of the that's not
[50:34] part of the ordinance. That's just a
document that Suzette and I put in your
[50:38] » But is that going to be at the meeting
as well?
[50:40] » No. So they they just need to understand
that the fees coming out so the the
[50:45] public and
>> my board and the rest of the citizens
[50:49] can determine whether people should pay
more than $20 to build you know a
[50:53] McMansion on the water.
>> So how when somebody brings you a permit
[50:57] in for construction? How much time does
it take you? How much time do is
[51:03] consumed for you to review it, go to it,
do what you do to get your stamp of
[51:08] approval? It's going to vary if it's in
the shoreland zone or not, but let's
[51:11] just say between an hour and three.
>> Yeah. Um, what I wanted to say was that
[51:17] paper's in there because, um, wanted to
give you an idea as to what you're
[51:20] looking at. But if you guys picked some
proposed prices, we could put that down
[51:25] on a sheet of paper and and set it next
to the intent to build forms at the town
[51:31] meeting so that they would people would
have an idea as to what that would look
[51:35] like and what
>> we would have to vote.
[51:37] » This is what we've been talking about. I
mean that if that's what Cutler does,
[51:40] why not do that?
>> Yeah, I'm making money.
[51:42] » Well, it is it's the idea that we're
trying to gain some revenue from those
[51:46] that actually use the business.
>> Yes.
[51:49] » But we have offsets.
>> Yes.
[51:52] » He was not here tonight. It sits in
front.
[51:56] » We won't mention D
>> and he will and he will hang.
[52:00] » But no, we we have to,
>> you know, I was talking I don't know who
[52:04] I was talking to. Can't remember.
somebody I was just bouncing this idea
[52:08] off with and I had this idea that could
because because there's you know when
[52:13] you have um building codes you also have
a board of appeals and you can go and
[52:18] you can request a variance on a lot a
lot size or side you know whatever
[52:23] » correct
>> could we not have in this
[52:27] an opportunity for the local person who
is building their house paycheck by
[52:33] check paycheck to ask for a um not to
have to pay something less like to
[52:40] appeal appeal this if you come in and
you have like a million dollars and you
[52:44] can spend 300. So I don't see why we
framework is for
[52:49] » that was stained as one objection that a
local person who who's building their
[52:54] house like it takes him 10 years. I know
Ralph took 10 years for him to build
[52:57] this house. He built it paycheck by
paycheck and that would be cost
[53:02] prohibitive for him to pay this amount
of money for someone but then someone
[53:06] who just moves in and has the money to
pay. There should be an avenue to appeal
[53:12] » that you can't pay that amount. If you
figure 2,000 square foot place is $150.
[53:17] I mean,
>> yes, it's $150, but
[53:20] » it's more than $150.
>> 25
[53:24] 2,000 square foot.
>> But Carol, you're you're right about the
[53:28] vote is not on the price.
[clears throat] It's on removing the fee
[53:32] from the
>> Right. Yeah. But I'm just I wanted you
[53:36] there should be a way to request
>> perfect
[53:40] » help that I I just can't afford this.
The other the other thought I addressing
[53:46] » 500
>> forous said
[53:48] » the $500 is somebody's savings for 3
months when there minimum wage. Would
[53:54] there be a clause perhaps
that states if you've been a resident
[53:59] for over a certain period of time with
that or maybe you've been here for 20
[54:03] years that you would then be
>> excluded to that fee to pay the
[54:12] » because again if you're building bit by
bit you should be getting you should be
[54:16] getting permission bit by bit. So, if
you're doing a 200 foot edition, you're,
[54:22] you know, paying $20, you know, it's
only $20 anyway.
[54:26] » So, we're talking, we're talking $20 to
$500 on a 2,000t home. So, I think if if
[54:31] anything could be addressed to a
longtime resident,
[54:35] if that were to come up, would be that
perhaps they could be to the planning
[54:39] board. Perhaps it goes to to exclude
them from that fee due to their how long
[54:44] they've lived here in town. Well, I
don't think I can think of to answer
[54:48] that response. Personally, I'm all for
this. So, I don't
[54:52] » I'm I am too, but I just think there
needs to be an avenue for an appeal for
[54:55] someone who can't afford it, who has a
legitimate reason why
[54:58] » if if you're Well, I mean, I would say
if you're building a [clears throat]
[55:01] 2,000 foot home, if you can't afford a
what would be a $500 fee to build,
[55:07] » you have a foundation for a 2,000 foot
home, but it may take you 10 years to
[55:11] build a house. I I can if you would like
I can ask MMA if this if there's a legal
[55:17] framework that would allow for what you
guys are suggesting. It would exist
[55:21] outside of the ordinance probably along
with the fee schedule or some separate
[55:25] document. So it wouldn't impede
>> this vote, but um I can I can ask MMA
[55:30] and see what they have to say.
>> So you're just throwing things out to
[55:33] address
>> that. I ask them stuff all the time like
[55:35] this. So I'll see what they have to say
and I report back to you. I think you're
[55:38] making this a lot more complicated
because if you get into that, you're
[55:42] going to get into income.
>> You're going to figure you're going to
[55:46] have to figure out what your what the
person's income is. [clears throat]
[55:49] » I agree. I'm just saying I'm just
addressing the question.
[55:54] So that this is big objection.
>> What about giving them like six months
[55:58] to pay it?
>> Well, that's that's another thing.
[56:00] [clears throat]
You could have a timeline or a year or
[56:03] time. Yes. Payment over time is not is a
good idea.
[56:06] » I mean, you you're not playing
favoritisms and you everybody's
[56:10] » this is probably outlined by the state
the stat
[56:15] » I think the only thing that really we
could look at for discounts would either
[56:19] be for seniors or for veterans or a
combination of both
[56:23] » that's true seniors and veterans that's
>> or if they had homestead or if they had
[56:29] homestead exemption on their property
already then we could verify that easily
[56:34] » and you only have to be here a year to
get that
[56:37] So that's not really a great one.
>> But I just my followup comment before I
[56:41] go is thatbody if you guys just if you
guys
[56:45] » however you want to do it come up with
some proposed prices. I could put that
[56:50] on piece of paper.
>> I'm I'm for the ones you have. I just
[56:54] think
>> I mean I think there
[56:55] » those are the numbers we've talked about
three years now.
[56:58] » Make want to make a motion.
>> Second. We have a second.
[57:03] » Second.
>> All in favor. All right, I'll put it
[57:06] together.
>> We're going to do that.
[57:08] » Thank you, Al.
>> You're welcome.
[57:09] » Okay,
next.
[57:14] » Cemetery stone damage.
>> It's a little bit of Dicky and I both.
[57:18] » Okay.
>> Is it the foot stones, Dicky?
[57:21] » Yeah.
>> And is it a metal weed whacker or is it
[57:24] an actual push mower?
>> It the the first one was by a weed
[57:29] whacker. The second one looks like it's
a scratch right across the top of the
[57:34] the stone. Is it one individual or is it
the group?
[57:38] » It's just in that one spot.
[57:42] » Yeah. Right there in Bay View.
>> Yeah.
[57:45] » Yeah.
>> No,
[57:47] down.
>> Oh, cuz there's a couple in Bay View,
[57:49] too, that have been cut right off. I
talked to you about it last year when I
[57:52] was laying recently Christmas.
>> Yes, them ones. Those were because of
[57:55] the old
>> Yeah. The stones porous,
[57:59] » right?
>> But the corners are now shaped up.
[58:01] » So, we changed the wire. Okay.
>> Yeah. All right.
[58:05] » Thank you.
>> Um, I will add to that. I spoke to our
[58:08] insurance company. Um, they informed me
to, I'm going to use a quote, file a
[58:13] claim, but it's not a claim. It's an
FYI. They don't charge FYIs. After two
[58:18] weeks, they drop off and they send a
letter to the I'm going to call property
[58:22] owner saying that it's not covered by
the town to see the person, the company
[58:27] that did it, their insurance to cover
it. And we should also have um we call
[58:32] them COIs, certificate of interest from
anybody that does work for the town.
[58:37] » Always going to work.
>> So we've talked about it's $949.
[58:42] » Yes. Dicky and I Dicky and I have been
talking about this. So weird.
[58:46] » The other part about that is the the
person whose stones have been affected
[58:51] has been adamant apparently with the
town about staying off of his plot, his
[58:57] family's plot. They were forewarned to
be careful around it.
[59:00] » Is that what you're saying?
>> But he told me to my face that I've told
[59:03] the town stay off the plot and he's put
four flags on the corners and [snorts] I
[59:10] don't know how we could make it more
noticeable. I think um I don't know.
[59:15] » Well, was that conveyed to the cemetery
moment?
[59:19] We we spoke with them. Dwayne and I
spoke with with the group right now.
[59:24] » But before or after it got damaged at
>> both. Yeah.
[59:30] » This is 949 bucks. But there's also
damage of baby.
[59:36] [clears throat]
>> There's maybe no one's complaining about
[59:37] it. No,
>> but it should be addressed, right?
[59:40] » So, uh where's this coming? If we decide
to pay
[59:43] » We're not paying it.
>> We're not paying it.
[59:44] » No. Insurance companies said not to.
We're not liable. the Arise program
[59:49] » willing to work with.
>> Yes.
[59:51] » Okay.
[59:56] » It was more of anformational
[1:00:01] » you pointed that out to Zach and the
bunch about where the flags are on the
[1:00:04] corners.
>> Thank you.
[1:00:08] » Numerous times.
[1:00:13] » It's hard to say.
>> This is very hard for me. I've owned
[1:00:17] cemeteries forever, 50 odd years. And
I'll tell you, it's very, very easy to
[1:00:26] do this. Whether you trying not to or
not, it's very easy to either do it by
[1:00:32] lawnmower or do it by weed whacker. And
I'm sorry that this has happened to
[1:00:38] whoever, but it happens a lot. And
nobody means to do it. Not at all. But I
[1:00:45] don't really think that it should be the
town's responsibility.
[1:00:50] You don't know who's I mean, somebody
could be down there mowing. This person
[1:00:54] could be hiring. We have people that
hire their own people to do it. Even
[1:00:58] though we mow it perpetually,
they still hire people. So, you know,
[1:01:04] who's to blame? You know, you can't
really
[1:01:07] » I know Joanne, we ordered a spool of the
big coil of wire last year. When it was
[1:01:12] brought to my attention that that was
was doing the damage, we stopped using
[1:01:17] it. We went back to the
>> regular. Well, it's it's very easy to
[1:01:20] do, believe me.
>> Have you ever had anybody in your years
[1:01:24] of wearing a cemetery?
>> We have had nobody issues come and tell
[1:01:28] us that, you know, you need to replace
this stone, you need to fix it. We've
[1:01:33] been very fortunate. But we have and I
myself being on the mower has hit a
[1:01:40] stone before
>> and I have cut the corner off
[1:01:44] » and yours are flat too. So
>> and my eyes are flat. They're not, you
[1:01:47] know, they're not high.
>> They're not stacked. They're flat.
[1:01:50] » But I have done it before myself.
>> So So it's justformational and Elijah's
[1:01:56] going to try to work with this one
person. So to answer your question that
[1:01:59] it's happened before, it happens.
>> It does happen. Nobody intends to do
[1:02:03] » Nobody's intending to do it.
>> Okay.
[1:02:09] » Uh we're into appointment papers. So we
will appoint I'll let you do that.
[1:02:16] » You wanted to point him. As a matter of
fact, if you wouldn't mind reading them
[1:02:19] all, Dan, there's one in there with me.
I can't read the town employer
[1:02:26] that you can't read.
>> I can't that I can't read the
[1:02:29] appointments.
>> Okay. So, Charles Day to be nominated
[1:02:36] to a planning board uh seat. Do we need
to vote on that?
[1:02:42] » Yes, please. Just read them all and
Ruby Fry uh tax collector,
[1:02:49] » Susette Francis, registar of voters. Uh
Susette Francis, town administrator.
[1:02:56] Um, Ruby Fry, treasurer.
Ruby Fry. Um, let me see. General
[1:03:04] assistance administrator.
Penny Sprag, town clerk.
[1:03:09] Um, Penny Sprag. Um,
what is this?
[1:03:14] Oh, 911 addressing officer. Yep. Um,
Alex Henry, CEO, and Mark Perry for
[1:03:22] assessor's agent.
I guess it's not.
[1:03:26] » That's okay. Is that it?
>> Yeah, I didn't see
[1:03:29] » That's okay. I didn't know what was in
there, but I think you were doing that.
[1:03:32] » So, I'll make um I do make a motion that
we uh appoint all those people
[1:03:36] » for the upcoming year or
>> Well, yes. Started. Uh all in favor.
[1:03:44] So, those people just have to uh Well,
she just
[1:03:50] » swear Chris. Chris, go ahead, Chris.
Yeah,
[1:03:53] » we don't do all of them at once.
>> I noticed u the last meeting there was a
[1:03:58] question I don't know Mr. Day. He's
probably a really nice guy. Um I have
[1:04:03] been on going to the planning board
meetings for over a year and a half and
[1:04:07] I was asked by uh God rest his soul was
uh Mr. Rule uh to attend and to possibly
[1:04:15] be on the planning board which I wound
up going to many meetings. In fact, I
[1:04:20] was at the last meeting
And I know that it has to go through the
[1:04:25] select board, but I've been I've never
even met Mr. Day at any one of the
[1:04:31] planning meetings
and I've been going for a year and a
[1:04:36] half [clears throat]
and not consecutively,
[1:04:39] but probably about at least twothirds of
it and I was an associate member of uh
[1:04:46] on the uh planning board.
>> You are an associate member right now.
[1:04:50] was an association member and wound up
happening. There was a spot that was
[1:04:54] over.
>> I need to interrupt there for a minute.
[1:04:56] He never came in and got sworn in so he
has never been a member. That was that
[1:04:59] was pointed out to me the other day.
>> Are you referring to Mr. Ra?
[1:05:02] » Yes.
>> Thank you.
[1:05:04] » Okay. Sorry.
>> I don't know. Did you I think at the
[1:05:06] same time you both associate.
>> I I'm pretty sure was never an
[1:05:13] associate. I just got
>> Was I at Was I at any other meetings?
[1:05:20] » Yes, you did meetings. I don't have
control over whether
[1:05:23] » No, I'm not.
>> And I know you
[1:05:27] want to say that I have participated and
I don't know how people can wind up
[1:05:33] getting on a board who don't participate
and what's their background. I did and I
[1:05:39] did send a letter of my
>> say it publicly
[1:05:41] » to the committee of my stand.
[1:05:47] » I think that usually the uh chair of the
planning board comes and gives us
[1:05:51] suggestions as to who needs to be on
there. So if you've been going then we
[1:05:56] can defer. I think there's a new chair.
Is not Rachel the new chair?
[1:06:00] » Yes. And they were very in the last
meeting they were very uh they didn't
[1:06:04] even know about this gentleman being
presented because Mr. Daily circumvented
[1:06:08] the situation.
>> Circumvented?
[1:06:11] » I don't think he did. I think that we
just had a
[1:06:13] » I just nominated.
>> Yeah. The last
[1:06:16] » I'm not I'm not picking on you, Dan. I'm
just saying that you know what the it
[1:06:20] goes. It has to be a nomination has to
be done by the planning board and it
[1:06:25] wasn't done that way. And they were even
unaware of this gentleman.
[1:06:30] » Well, they are aware of him now because
I spoke to the chair myself and they
[1:06:33] knew that last
at the meeting.
[1:06:37] Rachel knew that he was being appointed.
>> It was a week ago, this past Monday
[1:06:42] » and they said that they felt that they
put me in for it.
[1:06:45] » Uh, are there more spots on the planning
board?
[1:06:49] » I don't think so.
>> It was for [clears throat] Jean. Uh,
[1:06:51] » this five plus to open right now.
Regional animal. Thank you, Chris.
[1:06:57] Regional animal control officer
discussion. That's you.
[1:07:01] » So, you know, it's interesting on that.
Um I actually listened in on Heron's
[1:07:05] pitch to the commissioners
>> about this.
[1:07:08] » Yeah. Okay.
>> And it was really well received.
[1:07:10] » It was very wellreceived. They um
>> he pitched it to I forget the date but
[1:07:15] it was you know the county commissioners
meeting and it was just another way of
[1:07:18] just sharing resources because this acco
was kind of a revolving door.
[1:07:22] » It is
>> and the last one just kind of absconded
[1:07:25] it without telling anybody.
>> You can't left a lot of people.
[1:07:28] » We need to get a this is still a draft.
We the group that's got together um we
[1:07:32] thought we had time to work on it like
the next budget year. Um but then a
[1:07:37] couple three weeks ago her received an
email from the um ADA stating that he
[1:07:43] would not prosecute any cases brought to
him by Jessica Lewis or her assistant
[1:07:48] » Jessica. We can't.
>> So even if so um her appointment ran out
[1:07:55] she done um I actually the board is
appointed
[1:07:59] » you send her a letter. Yes,
because you haven't shown up.
[1:08:04] » Your lack of absence. So, we take that
as a resignation. I believe that we
[1:08:09] » um and intram is Doran Hkins. He really
doesn't want the job, but he's doing it
[1:08:15] to fill in because we need one for state
law.
[1:08:17] » We have to have one.
>> So, I think with that ADA letter, this
[1:08:20] might take
creep up quicker than we thought.
[1:08:23] » It's a very good idea to join together
and hire one and [laughter] that way
[1:08:27] it's a full-time job. I'm reading over.
I do have a few questions for Heron. Um,
[1:08:33] and it would be a personnel issue, so I
don't want to discuss it in public.
[1:08:36] Actually, I probably could because the
personnel person had their meeting in
[1:08:40] public.
>> Um, it Kevin Brody,
[1:08:44] » he had his meeting in public, so it's
all public knowledge.
[1:08:46] » Um, someone said in their meeting that
maybe he would apply for the job. I
[1:08:52] talked to MMA about it with workers comp
and our insurance and all that to find
[1:08:55] out if we need anything else. and they
pointed me in some directions of what to
[1:09:00] do to help cover ourselves.
>> Appointment papers can be specifically
[1:09:06] » I want to be part of that group.
>> Yeah.
[1:09:08] » Then you're not going to have an ACL.
>> Well, can we work this angle with her?
[1:09:12] » I'm going to talk to her about it. I've
got my notes written down.
[1:09:14] » No, he had so many causes.
>> I know. But
[1:09:19] » her is working with the UT's and he's
working with Matias and a couple of
[1:09:23] other
>> So I would let that play out if we can
[1:09:29] then we're technically not
>> Yeah,
[1:09:32] » right. That's true.
>> We're employing He's [clears throat]
[1:09:36] waiting and see how that runs out before
we say anything. Why don't you like with
[1:09:40] » I just got Yes, I got suggestions from
MMA, too. But
[1:09:43] » yeah,
>> I looking that over though. I mean, if
[1:09:46] we do go this route, I mean, I wouldn't,
>> you know, it says the IRS standard
[1:09:50] mileage rate based uh for businesses pay
on 76 cents a mile. I mean, I wouldn't
[1:09:56] even put the figure in there. Whatever.
>> That's federal.
[1:09:59] » Yeah. Whatever. Whatever numbers you
don't yourself into,
[1:10:04] » right?
>> Yes. It should be yearly. Yearly
[1:10:08] audience.
>> Just a quick comment. Um, when we uh
[1:10:12] when you talk to Heron Susette, um, can
we I think it would be prudent to send
[1:10:17] along or have her collect all the town's
uh, ordinances, animal control
[1:10:22] ordinances, it would be I would love it.
I'm saying that as a citizen, if our
[1:10:27] acco right off the bat had that and and
knew that they needed to read our
[1:10:32] ordinance, I feel like um, that was lost
in some previous some previous ACOs. uh
[1:10:38] because there's a lot of stuff in there
that doesn't get enforced. We just want
[1:10:41] to make sure that the new acco actually
reads our ordinance.
[1:10:46] » And maybe if we go through a acco
several towns, shouldn't it be the same?
[1:10:55] » Well, yes, they can't five different
ordinances,
[1:10:58] » right? something that
>> I mean
[1:11:03] » okay so that
>> so I just have something to say table
[1:11:12] » no it's just a it was justformational
let you guys know that we're talking on
[1:11:15] it
>> so in other business luckily we did get
[1:11:19] some good news at 7:00 this morning the
lawyer's assistant emailed Susette and I
[1:11:25] saying that 63 Pleasant Street the owner
has been served served. They found him.
[1:11:30] He was legally served, which means they
put the hearing at the 26th because we
[1:11:35] can't do anything the next meeting
because it's going to be a new board or
[1:11:39] » revised board. And then that would be
the first meeting. So, if he doesn't
[1:11:42] show up by either Zoom or here, then it
will be I believe deemed abandoned and
[1:11:47] then you guys can go in and clean it up
>> and you know with help from I can give
[1:11:53] you all that contact information if you
need it.
[1:11:55] » Yeah.
So, um,
[1:11:57] » committee updates
and [clears throat]
[1:11:59] » what was the what was the address of
that?
[1:12:01] » 63 Pleasant with the fence around it.
>> The fence.
[1:12:07] » I have another question maybe for
Susette if I could. I'll wait till
[1:12:10] afterwards until you guys are done
though about a different house.
[1:12:14] » Okay.
>> That's on the like the derelict
[1:12:16] buildings or whatever. The challenger
house, but I'll wait.
[1:12:20] » Okay. That would be more to Alex.
>> Well, yeah, it's more to Al.
[1:12:24] » You can ask Alex, but we're done. We
kind of went through total comment,
[1:12:28] didn't we? Annie, come with the update.
>> Sitting right next to you.
[1:12:36] » Thank you.
>> Thank you, dear. How was Mark's speech?
[1:12:39] » It was good. You know, you know whoever.
Oh, I know.
[1:12:43] » I wish I had I was in Bangor at the
time.
[1:12:47] » Oh, he's in a Oh, yeah.
>> What? He did. He did.
[1:12:52] » It was like a big banana.
>> I wish you would have wor yellow.
[1:12:57] » Hi everyone. Um those you don't know me,
I'm Annie, the chair of the Lost
[1:13:01] Fisherman's Memorial. Um we did our
event on July 21st. Everything went
[1:13:07] really well. Um
>> yes, you did. Um this year's ceremony
[1:13:11] brought together families, commercial
fishermen, elected officials, sponsors,
[1:13:16] volunteers, um visitors from across
Maine. During the ceremony, we dedicated
[1:13:21] the newly engraved names of Thomas West
and Steven Johnson Jr. this year. The
[1:13:27] response from the community and those
who attended has really been
[1:13:31] overwhelming positive this year. Um
members are expressing their
[1:13:37] appreciation and compassion has been
reflected. Um the ceremony this year has
[1:13:45] the reflections have been
re really really well. Um the media
[1:13:51] turnout was really good and it has
reached honestly globally at this point.
[1:13:58] Um so the turnout was good. the response
has been really really good um
[1:14:06] coming back and um
I'm really hoping that everything goes
[1:14:13] well at the upcoming annual town
meeting. This is going to be
[1:14:19] um an important milestone for us this
year. So the town vote when everybody
[1:14:24] comes out this year [snorts] is going to
be really important for us. So that's
[1:14:29] when the town's going to decide if you
guys are going to take stewardship
[1:14:33] [snorts] of this memorial or not. Um
because if not, it's going to be the
[1:14:38] next decision of who is going to take
ownership of it. So this is a decision
[1:14:45] that we're going to need to make. Um the
if the town takes stewardship, it's
[1:14:51] going to remain a permanent place for
protection, a place of rememberment, re
[1:14:55] remembrance, education, and reflection
for us. So um I hope that it does remain
[1:15:02] with the town. On behalf of the
committee, I extend my sincere thanks to
[1:15:07] the select board, the town staff, our
volunteers, sponsors, don donors,
[1:15:12] citizens of Lubec for their continued
encouragement and support. And together
[1:15:17] we are ensuring that the sacri
sacrifices of Maine's commercial
[1:15:21] fishermen will never be forgotten. So,
thank you truly for all of you for all
[1:15:26] you've done.
>> Thank you so much. [applause]
[1:15:40] We are getting seed for the upcoming
year. We're going to be purchasing
[1:15:45] seedlings
and um they had talked about getting a
[1:15:50] grant maybe for purchasing seed for this
upcoming year. The grant has not come
[1:15:55] out. Uh but I was wondering what you
guys think about that since the grant
[1:15:59] has not come out. We do. Julie can talk
to you more about it. Um cuz she has the
[1:16:06] information.
>> I reached out to Chris Bartlett Crant
[1:16:10] and they do have a grant. It's like
the talk is $5,000.
[1:16:17] I don't know if it's a match or not yet.
It hasn't been released, but paperwork.
[1:16:24] I believe we need the town's blessing
going forward to look into the ground.
[1:16:30] the letter.
>> Yeah, it would just be to look into the
[1:16:33] grant itself before doing anything.
>> They just have to apply um on behalf of
[1:16:39] the town because the money would come
into the town. So, it kind of like has
[1:16:42] to be our grant although they I think
they're going to do all the work.
[1:16:45] » Yeah,
>> it just has to have the town's blessing.
[1:16:49] » I'll keep updating.
>> We should make a motion to do that.
[1:16:52] Mark,
>> I'll make a motion. We support the um
[1:16:55] clam committee and the endeavors for
this grant.
[1:16:58] » Second. All in favor?
[1:17:02] » And if you need a letter, I'm sure they
[1:17:07] » uh any other committee updates.
>> Landa,
[1:17:12] » I just wanted to let the board know that
the um the uh celebration committee has
[1:17:19] declined
um in next year will be responsible for
[1:17:25] July 4th. But for any other days,
everybody's kind of gotten old,
[1:17:31] » sorted out,
>> tied out,
[1:17:32] » tied out. So, I hope that somebody will
pick up. We do a lot for like four days.
[1:17:39] And I'm hoping somebody will step up to
the plate for the kids most of all, but
[1:17:45] we'll always be for the fourth.
>> So, the actual day of the fourth, but
[1:17:49] not all the days. Is that what you're
saying? Just the day of the fourth.
[1:17:52] » Yes. Yeah.
>> So, we need to get that out there that
[1:17:55] we need to get some new
>> younger energy into the committee. Well,
[1:18:00] anybody who wants to
>> participate in the uh celebration
[1:18:04] committee, we'd love to have you come up
to the town and
[1:18:07] » we will certainly put you on.
>> I want to thank you for everything
[1:18:11] you've done.
[1:18:15] » Do I just go to the town office to get
on the celebration?
[1:18:19] » Oh, do you are you volunteering right
now?
[1:18:21] » Nominated.
>> [laughter]
[1:18:27] » Thank you, Jennifer. Excellent.
>> Love that.
[1:18:32] » Yes. You know, and I was thinking of
whole thing around clam like a clam bake
[1:18:39] or something around the July 4th. Not to
give you any ideas, but [clears throat]
[1:18:43] seeing as you're so involved with the
clam committee to begin with, and would
[1:18:48] be really great to have that
incorporated in one of the days, I
[1:18:51] think.
[1:18:54] So if there's nothing else here, can I
ask one thing? I I'm sorry for now, but
[1:19:00] Susette, you guys have made out a a
little form or something about how the
[1:19:06] town votes going to be different.
>> Yes. Actually, not the town vote. The
[1:19:10] town warrant articles are
>> just more put together.
[1:19:14] » They're more condensed.
>> Yes. And just condensed
[1:19:18] » instead of having like 15 articles. This
is does LCO not LC
[1:19:23] 500 blah blah we can get stuff like that
all into one
[1:19:26] » but the ability to to change each
individual we'll say department under
[1:19:33] that article number is still there
>> okay
[1:19:35] » so it's not like it's locked in if it
says 100,000 here it doesn't mean that
[1:19:39] you can't change down here
>> in in an effort to help my board member
[1:19:43] to my left who really has to go
someplace right now I would suggest that
[1:19:47] we might either let her go or ajourn
>> adjourn.
[1:19:51] » If we could let her go, if I could ask
if you could please give the dates of
[1:19:56] the meet the vote [clears throat] and
all those important dates.
[1:19:59] » August 11 and August 12th.
>> August 11th is 8 to 6. It's town office
[1:20:04] for the board positions. In August 12th,
it's a town meeting at 6:00 p.m. at the
[1:20:09] cafeteria.
>> Go ahead.
[1:20:11] » I just want to gauge an interest in
this. Um, so it came to my attention
[1:20:15] like a couple weeks ago that the
Challenger House, um, which is one of
[1:20:20] like the Derelick buildings or whatever
that's been a problem and it's been on
[1:20:23] Alex Henry's list for a really long
time.
[1:20:25] » Which one is the
>> It's the big green one. I think it's on
[1:20:28] Pleasant Street.
>> Pleasant Street.
[1:20:30] » Normally,
[1:20:34] » it's been in a a terrible state
obviously for a very long time. Um it's
[1:20:40] my understanding through verification um
through
[1:20:45] the the county the deed records that
that there's been uh sewer leans for 16
[1:20:51] months almost 17 months on that
property. Um I'm pretty sure that the
[1:20:55] taxes are paid, but there are sewer
leans and I wanted to verify that with
[1:20:59] Suzette. I meant to come into the town
office um last week, but I didn't get to
[1:21:03] it. Um so here I just have this idea for
you guys. Here in the state of Maine,
[1:21:08] you can do a a statutory
uh uh foreclosure basically obviously
[1:21:14] for taxes and for unpaid sewer. Um that
has been it's now under HUD. It's under
[1:21:20] it was relinquished to HUD through
Castle Rock REO and Tikville partners. I
[1:21:24] I verified that with the contact that I
had there. It will sit in HUD forever.
[1:21:29] And there
>> Yeah, it will sit forever. So, the
[1:21:33] contact that I talked to last week told
me that his suggestion would be for the
[1:21:38] town to immediately send the letter of
intent to foreclose for sewer back back
[1:21:42] fees for sewers. It's a statutory
foreclosure. It does not require legal
[1:21:48] anything. Doesn't require court
appearances. It doesn't require an
[1:21:51] attorney at all. And it is literally a
way to get that out of the hands of HUD.
[1:21:56] Um, and I think that that that notice of
intent would have to be filed probably
[1:22:00] within the next like two weeks. Um, but
it's I think it's 18 months that it can
[1:22:06] be basically
>> lean
[1:22:08] » taken. Go for 18 months. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So I I would that would be like my
[1:22:14] suggestion. Gage that and get it out of
his hands.
[1:22:17] » I love this.
>> Get it out of the hands of HUD. I'm not
[1:22:20] like trying to be like about it. But
Gate really needs to go back under the
[1:22:25] care of a private owner and everything.
Someone in the town who can invest in it
[1:22:29] and and do something with it. It's the
oldest house in Lubebec. Maybe if no one
[1:22:33] does anything with it, at least it can
just get out of the state that it's in
[1:22:36] and get off of the town's plate.
>> As recently as this week, I talked to
[1:22:40] Alex about the number of um contacts he
has out there for derelite buildings and
[1:22:48] I [clears throat] think you said only
five.
[1:22:50] » I keep a I've got a priority list of
five. That's right.
[1:22:53] » So, and because I asked, you know, that
that there we ought to keep a rolling.
[1:22:58] No, we shouldn't just set at five and
add more to that. And I agree that
[1:23:03] building is gonna
>> fall right down around itself.
[1:23:07] » I have experience with that home as
well.
[1:23:09] » Um
>> yeah,
[1:23:10] » contacting someone in the state of Maine
for HUD. You're never going to get
[1:23:13] anyone. It's all managed through Boston,
I believe. Um the state of you'll never
[1:23:17] get a live body in the state of Maine.
Um and I talked to someone last week as
[1:23:21] well. They don't even have a record of
that being on their like federal list of
[1:23:26] anything. So, I think now's the time for
the town to just take it.
[1:23:30] » Well, thank you. Thank you very much. I
think that Susette's going to follow up
[1:23:33] on that and anything we can do to deal
with we want to do especially about Yes.
[1:23:41] » motion to all in favor
[1:23:46] three wins.
>> Oh, shoot. I did that back.
[1:23:49] [clears throat]
>> I don't have anybody else. couple
[1:23:52] questions can ask.