1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,160 imately 24.5 miles from the city limits the 2 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:12,880 drive time to the residence is approximately 40 minutes Mr law hopes to 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,920 maintain this as his permanent residence he also has family that lives in the 4 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:22,080 immediate lington area and he will have access to stay with them on his work 5 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:25,880 days and in case of inclement weather the police department would like to make 6 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:32,920 a formal request for residency waiver allowing Mr law to keep his permanent 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:38,920 address and I so make that motion to um approve the employee employee residency 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,920 waiver 9 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:45,079 second okay we have a motion by councelor maneski second by councelor 10 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:50,559 trano to approve the employee residency waiver any comments or questions I do 11 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:56,399 have a question yes Kathy um is this has this been done in the past this I'm new 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:02,000 to this to so have we allowed this waiver to be applied in any other 13 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:10,560 fashion any other time that you know off yes we have okay so our precedent 14 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:15,520 has been set already Yes okay what is the 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:22,640 current um distance in this that you must live in the city what is it again 16 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:30,400 20 20 okay 20 miles perfect so he's 20.4 24.5 and he does have relations in town 17 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:33,439 that he can stay with if he needs to any other questions or 18 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:42,320 comments all right um all those in favor of approving the U 19 00:01:40,759 --> 00:01:50,360 application for employee residency waiver signified by saying I I post same 20 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:54,240 sign motion carried thank you and that's all we have 21 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,920 tonight all right uh we move on to building licensing long range planning 22 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:02,399 and Industrial Development councelor trano 23 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,960 thank you your honor I have no report we do have one action item that's adopt the 24 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:13,319 ordinance number 5 49-24 United development ordinance I 25 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:21,640 know coun has amendment that down so I'll make a 26 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:24,879 motion to adopt ordinance number 59-24 as 27 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:36,319 amended as amended like the changes that we all have had before not these changes 28 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:41,959 that are okay all those changes no that's a laay down yep but there were 29 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:45,599 format changes and stuff that were made I'll support that 30 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:54,080 motion okay we have a motion by councelor Tano support by councelor 31 00:02:51,360 --> 00:03:01,519 stibitz any comments or questions your honor if I may sure I did distribute a 32 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:05,080 proposed uh Amendment m m to a couple of sections of the 33 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:10,959 ordinance um the 34 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,480 uh First Amendment would be to the uh section 35 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:26,799 15.03 uh and uh the reason for the amendment is that 36 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:31,239 essentially we want to continue the same practice uh that we've had under the 37 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:38,760 under the previous ordinance uh the problem is that the 38 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:45,000 proposed ordinance added a a 39 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:51,680 non-exempt uh category for saying that you could just build 40 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:55,200 certain accessory buildings without even a 41 00:03:52,799 --> 00:04:01,360 uh zoning permit uh the problem is that by 42 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:06,959 definition you could set up a building that's just under 10x 20 ft with a roof 43 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:14,560 in three sides and you could if you don't have a 44 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:24,160 permit you could move it literally right to the property line without the city 45 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:30,080 inspector uh or zoning uh administrator under the new ordinance uh 46 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:34,440 ever being contacted uh additionally under the new ordinance 47 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:42,120 there's a uh zoning or rather a building 48 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:49,199 envelope and uh these accessory structures have some obligations uh uh 49 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:56,400 to be placed within the envelope or the appropriate envelope and again if the uh 50 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:01,160 zoning administrator doesn't look before the building is put 51 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:05,240 up uh the neighbors could have a legitimate 52 00:05:03,039 --> 00:05:11,880 complaint that it's you know too close to the property line without our ever 53 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:17,280 having looked at it uh so the changes I'm proposing first of all 54 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:22,960 15.03 B is the chart or the table of uh 55 00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:32,280 approval processes and uh so I'm my motion would 56 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:42,000 strike the first line of that table entirely uh the second part of 57 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:49,479 the uh motion would strike the word nonexempt and the parenthetical 58 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:55,680 reference uh C subsection C from what's now become the new first 59 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,960 line of the chart uh and again that's because 60 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:05,960 we're uh not uh adding this new non-exempt uh 61 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:13,000 category uh the final change to the section would strike the entire section 62 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:20,560 15.03 pointd uh which is the language that 63 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:27,639 adds the non-exempt uh uh procedures um so I guess I would inquire 64 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:33,759 since I'm amending two different sections perhaps I should treat that is 65 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:42,440 two separate motions with that so my my first motion then would be to make the 66 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:47,720 Amendments uh proposed to section 15.03 as 67 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,720 drafted 68 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:59,759 second okay um Madame clerk question um Is this Voice vote or roll call vote for 69 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:06,800 these these motions uh of for to amend the ordinance itself 70 00:07:03,039 --> 00:07:11,639 is aoll right the amendments are just voice voice vot thank you all right uh 71 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:19,199 motion by councelor Baler support by councelor Tano uh as excuse me does This 72 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Not Duplicate uh commissioner large's uh ordinance Amendment last at the last 73 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:30,240 meeting where we did take a roll call vote is it not the same thing the same 74 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:35,120 process they called through a voice yeah it was 75 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:40,319 close ask for aoll call to clarify okay all right good thanks 76 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:45,120 you're right okay thank you any comments or questions on this first 77 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:48,879 motion councelor chair I don't I don't needan to put you on the spot but can 78 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:53,919 you talk a little bit about these amended changes I I noticed that you 79 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:59,720 seconded this the stting you know that you as the person that helped work on 80 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:06,039 the Udo think that this is a good thing to do can you explain 81 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:14,479 why it's really both of these amendments are really clarification one of as we 82 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,479 all know uh councelor buer 83 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:22,400 has I think he's now read it four times five 84 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:27,440 times got nothing better to do and a lot of it is like you know the 85 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,360 changes that were in there there were format changes and citation ch 86 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:36,200 so this these are really just clarifying some 87 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:40,159 inconsistencies perfect thank you any other comments or 88 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:48,120 questions hearing none all those in favor of this motion signify by saying I 89 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:56,080 I I those oppose same sign that motion carries thank 90 00:08:51,680 --> 00:09:01,440 you councelor buer uh my second motion would be to amend Udo section 91 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:14,680 15.9 uh the intent again is to continue the 92 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:21,480 present practice under the current ordinance and uh what brought this up is 93 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:30,240 that under our present ordinance if you were only 94 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:36,760 proposing to put up a fence or uh put up a sign that required 95 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:43,519 action U by the building inspector uh there was a form developed 96 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:50,519 uh that uh allowed you to do that but didn't 97 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:57,959 require a uh building permit or an occupancy permit 98 00:09:53,320 --> 00:10:04,880 which most of the uh uh construction under the current ordinance 99 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:13,320 and and the Udo uh most things do require uh all three of those steps so 100 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:18,560 we started out intending to preserve our current 101 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:24,279 practice and in fact uh some of the drafts uh which we've 102 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:31,160 seen uh have had different language uh in each of the drafts trying 103 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:38,200 to to do that but it never quite got all the way there 104 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:45,519 now the amendment to 15.9 105 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:50,760 A.1 uh 59 or excuse me 159 106 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:59,720 b.1 and 1509 uh Point 107 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:05,920 b.2 excuse me uh is a language change to make all three of the 108 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:14,000 sections have the same operative language uh which is no intended use 109 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:18,200 premises parking area building or other structure or parts thereof regulated by 110 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:24,160 this ordinance in the process of trying to 111 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:29,560 accomplish what we set out to do we ended up with all three of these 112 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:35,880 sections having different language that it applied 113 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:39,760 to uh but quite frankly that didn't make a lot of sense and even worse created 114 00:11:38,839 --> 00:11:47,200 some ambiguity which might cause uh problems 115 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:56,480 down the road so the first three amendments simply make the same language 116 00:11:52,040 --> 00:12:03,959 in each section that applies to building permits and occupancy permits 117 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:07,959 uh this also proposes to add a new section 15.09% 118 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:40,800 and in trying to get there we kind created some ambiguity in the other 119 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:47,480 three so the purpose of this is to uh number one make sure that 120 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:56,120 our uh building inspector is not having to make three trips for somebody putting 121 00:12:50,680 --> 00:13:04,000 up a fence or hanging a sign on their building uh so 122 00:13:00,199 --> 00:13:08,880 the other reason to do this is if I'm putting up a fence I sure would hate to 123 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:15,959 uh have three trips from the building 124 00:13:13,079 --> 00:13:21,800 inspector and pay three fees uh we're trying to make this 125 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:28,880 ordinance more user friendly and that's in my opinion just the 126 00:13:23,959 --> 00:13:32,040 opposite so I would uh move to amend uh you o section 127 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:40,519 .09 uh as drafted in my proposed ordinance 128 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:40,519 Amendment 129 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:50,639 second okay any we have a motion by councelor Buu second by councelor trano 130 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,959 any comments or questions regarding this uh this 131 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,320 motion okay hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I 132 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:08,279 those opposed same sign motion carries thank 133 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:14,160 you uh councelor buer I just want I believe that we skipped over after we 134 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:19,240 voted on the 15.03 pointb sections I believe we skipped over 15.03 D which 135 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,959 you had raised in the initial discussion and then you decided to separate that 136 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:27,480 out as a vote and I don't know I don't know that you came back to it after that 137 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:33,160 so I was just if that was a discussion point that you wanted 138 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:38,240 I think his motion said to amend 509 that's language I'm Sor I was going 139 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:46,279 back to the first discussion well I think my 140 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:53,000 amendment ination was to uh adopt St Udo section 141 00:14:50,040 --> 00:15:00,199 15.03 or adopt the amendment uh as drafted so that I if I'm 142 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:05,600 not mistaken that would include striking the section 15.03 143 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:16,000 pointd okay okay okay great sorry my confusion apologize all set all right C 144 00:15:16,199 --> 00:15:26,920 Jano so um I guess I make another motion as 145 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:32,319 amended support so I move that uh we adopt ordinance number 54 9-24 the 146 00:15:30,319 --> 00:15:37,800 United development ordinance as amended support and the 147 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:43,360 first time you said as amended but you your intent 148 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:48,360 was very good okay thank you all right um and councelor B you supported that 149 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:54,399 yes I do counc sbit is that okay 150 00:15:52,480 --> 00:16:01,440 okay all right we have motion by councelor trano support by councelor 151 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:07,959 Bulger uh to adopt Ord 5 49-24 unified or udio uh as amended um any comments or 152 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:14,920 questions councelor large yes I do so we brought this up last last uh uh meeting 153 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:19,880 about the 40ft lot I just want to go over this one more time 154 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:25,160 because I don't know if everybody's taken as counselors has had as many 155 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:31,000 emails or contacts that I have about this and every time I get one it has got 156 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:36,360 nothing to do do with being positive everything is not in favor of and I 157 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:41,759 don't really have a percentage I I would like to have a percentage but it to me 158 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:48,199 it just seems like that we are adopting something that I don't think a lot of 159 00:16:45,079 --> 00:16:54,279 the people want here and my question to everybody here if you think or if you 160 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:59,880 believe that by adopting this ordinance you're doing the thing that your 161 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:06,000 constituents resident of your board wants by all means vote 162 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:10,280 Yes but if there's any doubt which I have a ton 163 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:16,079 of that you should vote no because I believe this particular thing that is 164 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:19,720 sticking out right now is for the people that are coming in not the people that 165 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:26,240 live here not the residents that voted for you it's for the people that are 166 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:31,679 coming in so I am still solid no on this and I'm hoping that you guys would come 167 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:37,360 along with me and send this back so we can strike this 40t lot thing and get it 168 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:44,080 for the people that want this city to stay the same the way it is thank 169 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:51,480 you anyone else I'd like to just make a comment to um Tim you do know that we 170 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:56,640 voted to okay that 40 the six dividing into 40 foot Lots we voted on that last 171 00:17:54,080 --> 00:18:01,080 time and it went through although you and I both voted no on it so you know 172 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:04,880 but I just wanted to remind you that too um I'd like to just address the 173 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:10,280 committee that worked on this too you know for three years they put in a lot 174 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:14,960 of work they had a um an advisor that helped them with that and really even US 175 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:19,240 city council people were not involved on the day-to-day stuff with that I went 176 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,080 into some meetings and and worked with them on it and listened to some of it 177 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:27,840 but to them it became part of their life I mean they put a lot of lot of hours 178 00:18:25,159 --> 00:18:34,039 into that so this is kind of their baby then when we had that combined city 179 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:40,039 council meeting with the committee that did the 180 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Udo um Sparks flew a little bit um we had some real strong ideas on how we 181 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:54,440 felt we didn't live the whole thing they had but they were willing to look at our 182 00:18:50,919 --> 00:18:58,120 strong objections and strong concerns and I want to give you a lot of credit 183 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,039 for that because that was I think extremely important you guys could have 184 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:05,440 just put your foot down and said this is what we've done for three years this is 185 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:09,559 what we propose and some of you did but um this is what we propose but you came 186 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:14,480 back to us and said okay what could we do to make this livable and for those of 187 00:19:12,159 --> 00:19:20,200 us that didn't live it day and night you listen to us and you took into account 188 00:19:17,159 --> 00:19:24,960 our our biggest concerns so I do want to thank you for that um it is a review in 189 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:29,600 six months I think that's a great idea and a review every year after that which 190 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:34,880 I think is really good too zoning hard it's tough we're going to probably not 191 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:39,360 have everything 100% when we go on this but I want to hand it to you that you've 192 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:46,080 done a lot of work and a great job and and I'm ready to go forward with 193 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,080 it anyone 194 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:55,400 else any other comments Mr I'll just I'll just Echo councilor larg statements 195 00:19:52,679 --> 00:19:59,280 to me it just comes down to uh do you represent the the people in your ward or 196 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:03,400 not and I know the majority of the people I spoken to are 197 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:08,440 heard from in first Ard not in favor of again entirely because of the 40 foot uh 198 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:14,799 creating new 40ft lots that don't already exist no one wants that one I 199 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:20,000 can be able to vote for it thank you anyone 200 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:25,960 else all right Madame clerk would you call the uh the motion is to uh by 201 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:31,760 councelor Tano supported by councelor buer to adopt ordinance 549 d24 four 202 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:37,320 unified development ordinance or Udo Madam as amended Madame clerk would you 203 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:46,520 call the role councelor Baler yes councelor King I councelor large no 204 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:55,480 councelor wineski yes councelor may no councelor stietz yes councelor Tano I 205 00:20:51,039 --> 00:21:00,880 five eyes tun motion carried thank you yes 206 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:08,799 I appreciate your com your comments Chessie um and I would like to 207 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:12,279 just acknowledge again the extraordinary work of the 208 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:17,640 staff hether Kowski Community involvement 209 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:25,799 director administrator building inspector and C enforcement officer Sean 210 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:32,640 Reed and kenman of course G um the work that they did not only in terms of um uh 211 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:37,120 spending time and and helping the zoning committee do this um but then they had 212 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:42,799 to go back and do their own jobs you know and and catch up and we took an 213 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:48,559 extraordinary amount of their time uh and I want you know that uh it's deeply 214 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:54,240 appreciated and uh we wouldn't have gotten where we've gotten without their 215 00:21:50,880 --> 00:22:00,520 assistance uh I like to thank uh Council on all sides right I do agree that study 216 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520 session that we had 217 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,720 very beneficial um and that's part of the 218 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:12,799 process right you do it we have something that uh is this uh 219 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:20,200 extraordinary and and and and comprehensive um uh it does take a lot 220 00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:25,039 of eyes to look at it um we talked ferus talked repeatedly about a six-month 221 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:28,840 review well we're not waiting till June to review it we're actually going to 222 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:34,000 start in January uh uh in terms of this uh uh meeting 223 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:41,320 with folks that uh that have some concerns so it's an ongoing 224 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:47,000 process so I thank you thank you all right we'll move on to 225 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,720 um Public Safety Public Utilities councelor main thank you your honor I 226 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:57,200 have nothing to report and no action items tonight okay thank you uh item D 227 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:02,400 Cemetery parks recreation and Waterfront councelor sbit thank you we have um no 228 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:07,039 action items tonight but we do want to facilitate a discussion about smoking in 229 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:12,360 Parks so we've brought this smoking ordinance to council several times and 230 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:16,880 each time we have brought it back voicing several concerns the big concern 231 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:23,000 the last time we brought it back to committee was what does adjacent 232 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:27,000 sidewalks mean well we facilitated this really great discussion about what 233 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:33,760 adjacent sidewalks are and unfortunately they're different to everyone 234 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:37,320 so we took ccor bulger's um opinion into consideration where you know in the 235 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:42,159 court of law what does an adjacent sidewalk mean and hoping that the 236 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:45,559 smoking didn't go toward go that far because of all the different bullet 237 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:50,400 points that we've made which are educating um the offender talking about 238 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,320 it removal from the area and then potentially citing well we couldn't 239 00:23:53,360 --> 00:24:00,200 really come up with an agreement about what is an adjacent sidewalk and then we 240 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:05,159 couldn't come up with an agreement about whether or not we wanted smoking in the 241 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:10,159 Parks or not and so instead of just coming up with something we we want to 242 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,679 hear from you guys what do you want out of this smoking in Parks ordinance and 243 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:19,840 if you were on the parks and rec committee what would you want to have 244 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,559 come out of that meeting so if anyone would like to kind of explain how 245 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:28,960 they're feeling about the smoking in the Parks ordinance and we can kind of 246 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:33,360 gather those thoughts and go from there if anyone has any opinions feel free to 247 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:37,159 speak up well I'm on the parks committee and we did have a lot of discussion over 248 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:44,039 the last few months on this and the easiest thing that I think to do for a 249 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:51,360 lot of reasons for enforcement for um promoting public health is to just ban 250 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:58,559 smoking from Parks the beach and one other playgrounds playgrounds so that's 251 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:04,919 what I proposed to look at um at at the Parks committee and that's what I'd like 252 00:25:01,399 --> 00:25:09,200 to see I guess it it is a maybe a little radical um idea but someone had a good 253 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,440 idea too they said well if you're at the beach and you're at the beach with your 254 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,000 kids and stuff and you have to go to the bathroom you have to walk up to the 255 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,559 concession s to go to the bathroom and then if you need to smoke a cigarette 256 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:24,000 you just need to walk to the sidewalk on lakes Shore Drive and you can smoke a 257 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:30,559 cigarette so it's not that you can't smoke it's just restricting it away from 258 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:36,200 where families are and where kids are so yeah I could live with 259 00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:41,000 that so I do have one question also so I read through the uh the amendment what 260 00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:48,840 was stricken from the um proposal whatnot and it had in there 261 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:56,399 that no smoking in public parks or what except for on sidewalks and parking lots 262 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:01,159 public sidewalks and streets you should say public sidewalks and streets my 263 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:08,000 concern on it is public sidewalk if you can't smoke in a park the sidewalks that 264 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,880 go through the park are they public no no well I don't know that's my 265 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,640 interpretation they're part of the part I don't know either so that so it kind 266 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:20,960 of gets gray there I totally agree with what council wineski is saying except 267 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:25,120 for the public sidewalk part adds a lot of um 268 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:30,760 gray Chief I would totally defer to the 269 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:36,320 attorney on Council that I'm not biting on that one we 270 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:40,080 play sorry I'm only LIC to practice that's why we're looking at 271 00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:46,640 Ross I mean I think it depends on how it's drafted and so it would depend on 272 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:51,000 the ordinance itself and the provision so if the if what you're saying is 273 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:57,960 there's one of the drafts where it talks about the public sidewalk walk going 274 00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:02,320 through an actual Park then I think you would have to conclude that that is it 275 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,399 is a publicly available sidewalk and it is going through a park I don't think 276 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,600 that there's probably any line property line that delineates a difference 277 00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:15,679 between that sidewalk and the Park area so it's I don't think it's probably less 278 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:18,960 likely to be a kind of Transportation infrastructure related sidewalk more 279 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:23,960 than the Meandering you know sidewalk from a park so it again it's going to 280 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:29,720 depend entirely on how it's drafted and how you uh uh set up the structure and 281 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,880 the context around it that will govern kind of how that ordinance provision 282 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:38,480 would be approved or you know it depends on if you approve it or not as well if 283 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:44,360 if I might add to that in our discussion we had to decide what a sidewalk is and 284 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:49,720 what a pathway is and a sidewalk going through a path going through a park is a 285 00:27:46,679 --> 00:27:55,399 pathway not a sidewalk a sidewalk has to be adjacent to a road 286 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:58,840 so and you clear yeah like I said it depends on how you define those terms 287 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:03,880 and that's going to govern and how they're interpreted in subsequent 288 00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:07,440 ordinances so and it depends on who's defining them and how they're defining 289 00:28:05,399 --> 00:28:12,440 them and we're I feel like we're a point about that well it's just that if you 290 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,799 don't Define it if if you if you decide to move forward with a smoke free parks 291 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:20,159 ordinance but you don't Define it then you leave the question open and then 292 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:24,360 it's it's an interpretation for whomever wants to make their favorable 293 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,240 interpretation for their argument if you specifically set forth what the 294 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:32,799 definition of a pathway is and if you say that it in includes those sidewalk 295 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:38,159 like features within the park space then you're creating a different thing than a 296 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,480 sidewalk right so I think that's you can do it it just has to be explicit I would 297 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:51,320 recommend it but it becomes complicated because the road that goes through Stern 298 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Park is a road um you know uh uh I appreciate what you say coner onesy but 299 00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:03,240 I think that that's uh myself I think that that's too broad um the language 300 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:09,240 that uh you came up with before with the 100 ft from the concession stand City 301 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:13,519 buildings the only issue I had with the last draft was some consistency just in 302 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:16,519 terms of the language 303 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:30,679 um the reality is um um smoking is legal um um and when you are outside 304 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:36,440 second hand smoke is less of an issue uh uh than it is uh in theine space uh and 305 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:44,200 when you're talking about you know when you don't have so-called designated 306 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:51,399 areas to do it um um enforcement is going to be uh quite difficult right I 307 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,080 mean you're talking about uh I don't know who's going to enforce it on the 308 00:29:52,799 --> 00:30:01,360 beach in the summer when you have thousands of people sitting out there um 309 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:10,519 well I think a lot of it when it's in a confined space and things like that 310 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:16,039 um I think it's a lot easier to enforce and and I I agree I I think it'll take a 311 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:21,200 lot of education and the police police are educating first um they're not going 312 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:25,159 to ticket someone right off the bat and it'll take a while for us if we decide 313 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:31,480 to do this to get used to this in our city but I still love the idea that we 314 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:36,840 would promote Health healthier behaviors and keep it away from from family 315 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:42,919 activities so I'd go out on a limb and say let's try it but it's up to all of 316 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,960 us the police said that it would be easier to enforce if we just said 317 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:53,960 playgrounds parks and the beach aside from the 100 ft or something because 318 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:59,880 that is kind of ambiguous so yeah lot of education on it though so 319 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:05,440 just couple quick thoughts and the thing that I can kind of compare this with is 320 00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:10,600 is dogs in the park right and it's it's it's easier to enforce you know the the 321 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,600 ordinance that prohibits dogs in the park and there's reasons why just the 322 00:31:12,679 --> 00:31:17,960 same as there's reasons why the council's considering there's health 323 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,880 benefits and that type of thing to ban smoking make it a smokefree thing so uh 324 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:27,240 can you imagine trying to enforce it if if a dog in dog in the park ordinance 325 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:32,600 for example if if you say okay well anything under 20 lbs is fine but 326 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:37,559 anything 20 to 45 lbs that's kind of iffy and anything 45 lbs are over 327 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:41,880 absolutely no dogs to park and so that in my mind I'm kind of a simple mind but 328 00:31:39,639 --> 00:31:46,559 that's that's kind of how I see trying to trying to grade the enforcement uh 329 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:50,360 with regards to smoking in other words 50 feet or 100 feet from a concession 330 00:31:48,679 --> 00:31:53,519 stand I've been in the middle of the and I'm sure we all have I've been in the 331 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,159 middle of that Park sitting there minding my own business and clouds of 332 00:31:55,399 --> 00:32:01,519 smoke just waft by there's no controlling it so it makes sense to me 333 00:31:59,639 --> 00:32:04,760 and my family it would make sense yeah we can get up and move and we do and 334 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:10,279 then sure enough here comes another cloud of smoke so I I don't think it 335 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:15,360 being that it's out in the out in out in the open negates the impact that it has 336 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,960 so I certainly it makes sense to me that you would you would move as a councel to 337 00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:24,200 do something to to mitigate that problem I think there's good good reasoning that 338 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:29,399 are laid out here on this on this letter relative to the benefits for for taking 339 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:35,679 action in this and I I just it's the kiss the kiss uh rule you know keeping 340 00:32:32,679 --> 00:32:39,240 it simple relative to lights either on or off the dogs either in or out of the 341 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,960 park the smoking either happens in the park or it doesn't happen in the park 342 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:47,240 and you can I think we all can come up with a a way to define the the 343 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:52,200 boundaries of whatever park it is whether it's Sterns or Waterfront Park 344 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:56,399 or or Lavo park or whichever parks that you want to include here but I really do 345 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,919 think that it's there's a lot of common sense here that could be applied and and 346 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:06,200 and getting into page after page for each individual Park I I just don't 347 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:11,799 think that that's practical and frankly it's going to be up to some uh perhaps a 348 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:17,600 new officer on a Sunday afternoon going up there without benefits of um one to 349 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,440 three lawyers weighing in on this thing and and making the decision and the 350 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:28,120 chief is committed to um uh his his officers really working on as Kathy said 351 00:33:24,679 --> 00:33:30,919 working on uh on education no is looking to hide in a tree and wait for somebody 352 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,679 to light one up and dive on them and write them a ticket and kick them out 353 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,039 par that's just not what we're looking to do we're just looking for people to 354 00:33:35,399 --> 00:33:41,240 express or conduct themselves in a courteous manner they have a habit but 355 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,559 it has impact on other people and so I think that making it just as simple and 356 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:49,039 straightforward makes a lot of sense as much as it would saying yeah you can 357 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,720 have a dog in a Parker no you can't just a highlight too because some 358 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:58,639 of the people in the audience might not realize this um Caitlyn did a search of 359 00:33:56,919 --> 00:34:04,919 some of the other cities that do restrict smoking um on their beaches and 360 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:11,599 their Parks the village of pelston the village of allenson Bo city city of 361 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:17,960 charboy city of East Jordan city of pataski um all restrict smoking in their 362 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:23,760 parks and beaches so that's something to think about too they've done it somehow 363 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,760 so I think we should think about 364 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:30,879 it does anyone else have any other comments that they want to make about 365 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,879 smoking in the 366 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:37,960 park kind of want to hear from all of you yeah well I'm I'm just glad it's 367 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:42,240 real clear that we don't allow dogs to smoke 368 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:47,119 right there's no question about that that's 369 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,119 next 370 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:57,800 yeah so the effort that first started 371 00:34:55,079 --> 00:35:03,720 out uh in trying to Define 372 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:08,480 where uh create a lot of nightmares but had so many places that 373 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:14,520 people could smoke it was 374 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:20,160 uh really not doing a whole lot for Family 375 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:25,000 Health the proposal to ban smoking entirely uh 376 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:30,560 certainly uh is much more consistent with the IDE 377 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:35,200 idea that we want people healthy throughout all of our 378 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Parks uh so I you I certainly support the direction 379 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:47,040 that we're going in uh 380 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:52,839 I I share some of uh councelor Tano's concern about this 381 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:58,960 being a legal adult 382 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:09,359 activity uh but much to our surprise the state ban 383 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:13,160 smoking in uh bars and restaurants and that's 384 00:36:10,319 --> 00:36:20,880 been amazingly successful uh and again I I understand 385 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:24,480 uh councelor Tano's distinction between inside and 386 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,760 outside U so at this point for me it will come 387 00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:35,640 down to uh the 388 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:42,560 language uh and in addition between now one when we actually have to uh consider 389 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:47,640 the text of an ordinance we may have a lot of public input on both sides to 390 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,720 consider and that certainly would help me in making a final 391 00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:02,400 decision so I think what I would like to do is take this information that we have 392 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:09,480 gathered here and we do have a parks and wreck meeting I think on the 17th 17th 393 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:14,079 where we could just one last time facilitate a discussion figure out what 394 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:21,160 direction we're going have the ordinance drafted and um bring it to council at 395 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:29,359 the next meeting if that's okay with everyone perfect and that is 396 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:33,680 all all righty we'll move on to city council what any items of business that 397 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,680 you want to bring 398 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,040 forward all right then we'll move on to city 399 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:48,240 manager I don't have anything to report tonight thank 400 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:54,079 you do you have some action items that you want 401 00:37:49,839 --> 00:38:02,160 to um the resolution for the hazard mitigation plan um I believe that would 402 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:08,000 was almost completed on Mitch's uh from the former city manager uh Mitch uh 403 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:12,839 Mitch's last meeting uh the hazard mitigation plan I believe was approved a 404 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,480 a resolution was supposed to be adopted with it and the resolution was not 405 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:22,280 included so that is just a housekeeping matter for this evening okay so you 406 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:28,520 you're looking for a motion to adopt the resolution for the haz's mitigation plan 407 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,359 um yes your honor I'll make that motion okay 408 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:40,400 second we have a motion by councelor sbit support by Council trano to adopt 409 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:46,560 resolution for hazard mitigation plan- local any comments or 410 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:54,119 questions hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I oppose 411 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,119 same sign motion carried thank 412 00:38:54,839 --> 00:39:02,079 you and then the second action item is to approve the Consumer's Energy 413 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:11,280 authorization for changing um a standard light bulb to an 414 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:17,400 LED light bulb um at 910 West L Street um I don't mean to put you on the spot 415 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:23,359 but our DPW uh supervisor Andy La is here um if there are really specific 416 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:28,040 questions um but our standard lighting contract with consumers does not 417 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:31,960 currently allow for LED bulbs um I believe there was an existing house at 418 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:37,000 this location and it was torn down and they're 419 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:44,280 rebuilding um consumers quite frankly is going to put an LED bulb in that uh 420 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:50,079 lighting fixture whether we approve this or not um it's just not in our current 421 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:56,319 contract with them so they're asking for a waiver of that contract to upgrade 422 00:39:52,680 --> 00:40:02,880 that bulb to an LED bulb um and that is the um extent of their 423 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:07,240 request pretty straightforward any questions will approve okay we a motion 424 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:12,640 by councelor buer looking for support 425 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:17,480 support support by councelor May to approve Consumer Energy authorization 426 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:22,200 for change in standard lighting contract at uh or in the area of 910 West L 427 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:25,800 Street any comments or questions is there a possibility of amending the 428 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,839 contract so this doesn't have to happen again 429 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:35,359 just a thought this is amending the contract for this 430 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:40,680 location do you do you know how long our contract is with consumers I do not I 431 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:46,480 Know M said it was adopted in 2018 so it's probably pretty infrequent 432 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:50,160 we will look into that great question thank you anyone 433 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:58,880 else all righty um all those in favor of the motion and the support signify by 434 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,880 saying I I those opposed same sign motion carried 435 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:09,460 thank you apparently your honor it takes seven 436 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:17,640 counselors to change the [Laughter] 437 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,040 light took three lawyers to tell us we could do 438 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:29,000 that thank you thank you for that observation all right we'll move on to 439 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:34,599 item number 11 I have no uh report or action items so we'll move on to item 440 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:39,520 number 12 in our uh our agenda and we uh we'll open it up for 441 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,880 the second round of public comment we'll adhere to the same guidelines mentioned 442 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,800 at the beginning of tonight's meeting with the exception that each speaker 443 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,960 will have two minutes I request that anyone wishing to address a council 444 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,200 please step to the lectron and state your name street address or Ward city of 445 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,800 residents and organizational affiliation if that's appropriate once you've done 446 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,119 this you'll be recognized for 2 minutes and we'll ask you again remind you to 447 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,319 speak directly into the microphone and address all comments to this 448 00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:09,860 [Applause] 449 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:25,400 chair Tom R 6 W article 7 section 26 of the State Constitution states INR 450 00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:29,960 relevant part quote no City shall have the power to loan its crap for any 451 00:42:27,319 --> 00:42:34,800 private purpose or accept as provided by law for any public purpose end quote 452 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:40,559 when the people in this council is told by our police chief that the expenses 453 00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:46,559 for a can9 unit will come exclusively from a nonprofit organization use of the 454 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:52,160 city's credit card to buy dog food and vet insurance is a violation of the 455 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:57,640 Constitution the city extended a line of credit to a nonprofit group and so it 456 00:42:54,559 --> 00:43:03,040 doesn't matter whether the K9 repays it or not the Constitution is 457 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:07,200 broken everybody in front of me who swore an oath to affirm that 458 00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:12,599 Constitution should be clamoring to make sure that this doesn't ever happen 459 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:19,960 again and yet in the general fund you see another $50,000 $15,000 expense made 460 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:24,680 at Meyers for another nonprofit organization the shop with the cop 461 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:29,520 program why is the program not using the funds raised through donations and Pie 462 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:34,839 off auctions instead using our general fund to make such purchases when such 463 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,839 loan of credit by the city is a direct violation of the 464 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:44,760 Constitution if any of you tries to answer this question please don't try to 465 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:49,960 aisc or shame me by telling me how much this program means to underprivileged 466 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:56,319 families since you are all guilty of hiking taxes on them by 467 00:43:53,240 --> 00:44:04,359 $200,000 over each of the last two years without giving us any reason why thank 468 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,359 you anyone 469 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:16,839 else before my time starts do I get extra because I only have like 30 470 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:21,319 seconds in the first one I'm sorry you can't bake 471 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:25,720 it Jason Kirkpatrick 914 Maple Street all right uh just to start off I don't 472 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:32,599 smoke and I don't drink okay so I want you guys understand that quick facts um 473 00:44:28,359 --> 00:44:40,640 very quick alcohol rated homicides um in in the nation uh 7,000 uh 334 annually 474 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:45,000 uh 40 48% uh homicides offenders were influenced by alcohol when they created 475 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:49,319 those homicides you guys know how how the effects of alcohol are on people you 476 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:56,640 know families being broken because of alcoholism um so you know lington 477 00:44:52,839 --> 00:45:02,040 Michigan in 2021 the the violent crime rate was was 24.8 on the National 478 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:05,839 Standard um National Standard was 224 so according to city data we're we're 479 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:10,200 higher on violent crime than most of the Other Nation so kind of my point of the 480 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:16,880 conversation here is we're going to waste an officers time and resources 481 00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:20,319 charging people for smoking on a beach like we allow people to drink on the 482 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:24,599 beach you know they can go up to the concession stand bu alcohol take that 483 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,119 out and drink way more Assa and batteries start from alcohol than they 484 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:32,119 do from smoking so I think taking an officer and putting them out to charge 485 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:37,160 people for smoking in public is kind of stupid in the waste of taxpayers dollars 486 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,480 thank you thank you anyone 487 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:55,400 else pck here 158 Harvard Drive um I want to respond to some comments that 488 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:59,520 were just made um uh mayor Barnett spoke at the last meeting regarding the 489 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:04,200 comments regarding the K9 unit I am a member of the friends of lington police 490 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:10,119 and as you know the city actually purchased the K9 the dog Bella as they 491 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:17,240 did the vehicles these are assets of the city that were funded through donations 492 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:22,839 that were paid to made to the city and so the donations come into one account 493 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:28,200 the dog was paid for by the city and internally the clerk and treasure make 494 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:33,559 the money move back and fourth and so the notion 495 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:40,640 that the city is acting on behalf of nonprofit the dog is not the nonprofits 496 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:46,599 the dog Bala belongs to the city if you follow nonprofits at all this is the way 497 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:51,800 nonprofits quite often operate in terms of they may have an asset and there may 498 00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:55,880 be a nonprofit that is funding the asset or paying for the maintenance on it we 499 00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:02,240 do it at the state park with the DNR all the time it's not this big missterious 500 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:07,800 thing it's how accounting works and so forth and so I am here tonight in terms 501 00:47:05,319 --> 00:47:13,079 of wasn't intending to speak but when I hear these comments it really offends me 502 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,559 because it's a hit on the citizens and others that have in good faith made 503 00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:23,160 donations to this nonprofit to fund a program which is for the benefit of the 504 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,240 city and it is not anything that the city is doing wrong we are trying to 505 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,400 take steps so that the dog food is not being paid for by the city and 506 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:37,960 reimbursed it may in fact make us go through extra hoops from the nonprofit 507 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:43,800 just to further clarify it so that the chief is not having to respond to this 508 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,800 nonsense thank you thank 509 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,920 you anybody 510 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:57,040 else all righty well if there's nothing else um we'll close the second round of 511 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,839 public comment and move on on to miscellaneous business anyone have any 512 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:06,000 uh pieces of business that you'd like to bring forward if I could I'd like to ask 513 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:12,680 director L since we've had the snowfall are we going to have more Leaf pickups 514 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:17,200 still yes in between snowfall we're able to do you have a an end date in 515 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:20,359 mind 516 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:29,280 de thank you okay uh C tro yeah I have a 517 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:37,079 good to know tonight uh as most people know the p 518 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:44,440 auction was held on uh 1127 1127 um and they raised over $20,000 by 519 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:49,160 way of the uh pie auction the proceeds will be used to purchase gifts for 70 520 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:54,680 plus children and their families the shop with the cop shop with heral dates 521 00:48:51,880 --> 00:49:00,000 actually starting tonight 129 through uh 1212 and the opportunity the First 522 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:03,920 Responders in Mason County to interact with and purchase gifts and food for 523 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:08,559 these children and their families is only because of the generosity of those 524 00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:14,119 in our community that decided to purchase FES and make donations for this 525 00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:19,880 event uh shop with the cop uh shop at the hero is organized and facilitated by 526 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:25,280 school resource officer uh Conor gallahue and Sergeant Austin Morris with 527 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:31,839 great assistance provided by Mason County Sheriff uh uh office Sergeant 528 00:49:29,319 --> 00:49:37,160 Matt uh warin sorry about that Matt um the 529 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:42,160 children will be shopping with officers from the lington police department the M 530 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:46,680 County Sheriff's Office the M uh Michigan State Police Scottville Police 531 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:51,920 Department as well as First Responders from the lington fire department Pier 532 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:58,680 Marquette Township Fire Department Hamilton Hamlin Township Fire Department 533 00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:03,960 and Custer fire fire department Life EMS and other Mason County fire 534 00:50:01,319 --> 00:50:07,839 departments if that's not enough and in addition the police department has 535 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:12,520 partnered with Westshore Bank to off and off to auction off of pig and cow to 536 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:16,839 benefit the police department's partnership with Lakes Shore food Club 537 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:21,839 the goal is to feed hundreds of Mason County families this holiday season 100% 538 00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:28,480 of the pig auction proceeds will be provided to the food Club to feed those 539 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:34,400 in need um to the police department is extremely grateful to West short Bank uh 540 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:39,280 for their generosity and in donating the Pig and the cow to the police department 541 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:48,440 to make this event possible and the pig and cow auction is uh 1213 this Friday 542 00:50:43,799 --> 00:50:54,760 and is that online or yes sir it will be online thank you thank you I have one 543 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,240 quick thing and I just kind of the teacher in me here is coming out a 544 00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:02,240 little bit but um La last week's meeting the mayor 545 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:07,160 mentioned that you know there's there's this issue if you don't understand 546 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:12,359 something seek to understand call the city call one of us um and and I'm 547 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:17,400 hearing lots of misinformation here today and and even 548 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:24,760 one member admitted that there was some confusion and so it might behoove you to 549 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:28,559 just think about it for a second and ask see excuse me excuse 550 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:36,799 so before we go to social media or other places like that perhaps we might want 551 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:40,200 to call the city and say hey I have a question can you help me understand and 552 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:45,200 then you could help other people understand too so just just remember we 553 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:50,119 are here for you to answer questions and if we can't answer your question we'll 554 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:55,839 find someone that can so instead of throwing it out there ask 555 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:59,599 first anyone else I just I just have one thing too mine's kind of a one good 556 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,720 thing but it's kind of a science interesting facts I'm reading a book 557 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:09,480 called what's gotten into you and this is a quote human bodies are an 558 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:15,480 everchanging Mosaic a colony of 30 trillion cells each made up of over 100 559 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:22,480 trillion atoms that are dancing in riotous vibrating shuffles you contain a 560 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:29,119 billion times more atoms than all the grains of sand in the earth's deserts if 561 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:35,240 you weigh 50 lb you carry around enough carbon to make 25 lb of charcoal enough 562 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:40,440 salt to fill a salt shaker enough chlorine to disinfect several backyard 563 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:47,319 swimming pools and enough iron to make a 3in nail if you sort all your elements 564 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:52,400 you'll find that about 60 of them are on the periodic table are represented 565 00:52:49,200 --> 00:53:00,760 inside of you if you could sell them all you'd pocket a cool 566 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:06,119 $1,942 9 at 2023 prices how interesting is that thanks for coming tonight it was 567 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:12,559 kind of a long meeting too thank you anyone else 568 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,040 nice hearing nothing else we'll look for a motion to 569 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:22,640 adjourn second go ahead okay motion by councelor Tano 570 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:27,359 support by councelor wineski um any comments or questions 571 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:33,010 hearing none all those favor signify by saying I I those oppos same and we are 572 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:37,499 adjourned [Music] 573 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,819 [Music] 574 00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:58,380 [Music] 575 00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:18,489 [Music] 576 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,559 [Music] okay