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Please take your seats.

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Thank you. Please take your seats.

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At this time, I'm calling this meeting to order. Please silence your phones any any cell devices or electronic devices you have.

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We're going to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and the state pledge pool.

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I salute Why?

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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Roll call vote please.

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Commissioner Trejo.

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Here. Chair Harvey here.

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Commissioner Chandler.

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Here you have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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The first thing on our agenda is the work session of August the 13th 2026 and the regular meeting of August the 13th.

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2026.

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I'd like to have a motion to entertain or unless there is a correction that needs to be made.

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Not that I've.

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All right, so motion to approve.

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Thank you. May I have a second?

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Second, all right.

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Let's just have a.

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Vote all in favor.

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Aye, all opposed.

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Hearing none, the motion is carried. We're going to move into service. Madam Chair, just quickly, yes, I'd like to propose that we

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consolidate a couple items on the agenda before you move on.

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9A and 9B, we're going to put them into a single item.

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We created a single resolution to cover both of those.

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So there's no no point in having two resolutions.

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We've got them all under.

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One SO.

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9A and 9B.

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Will be consolidated into Resolution 2668.

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All right, Chris, do we need a motion to accept that?

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OK, I guess, all right. May I have a motion to accept the changes Chris presented?

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So move, Madam Chair.

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All right, all in favor.

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Aye, all right, all opposed.

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The motion carries. Thank you, Chris.

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Yes, ma'am. All right, so let's.

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We're moving forward now to.

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Our surface, excuse me, service awards. Easy for me to say.

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All right. Robert, are you making presentation?

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Good afternoon, commissioners, county manager, members of the public.

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Today, I'd like to recognize Lieutenant Irene Mcburney for five years of dedicated service with the Luna County Detention Center.

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Over these five years, Irene has worked hard, putting countless hours of overtime.

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Has continued to grow.

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And working her way through the ranks.

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Her dedication, experience and willingness to step up.

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Have made her a valuable leader in.

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Lieutenant Bernie, thank you for your five years of service, your hard work, your leadership, and your continued commitment to the

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Lunar County Detention.

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We appreciate you.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you, Lieutenant. We appreciate your contribution and your five years.

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All right. Moving forward into presentations, our first presentation is New Mexico Disengage Youth Statistics and a path forward

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in Luna County.

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By our very own representative, Jennifer Jones.

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Thank you, Jennifer.

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Thank you, I noticed that you've got 15 minutes set aside.

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For presentations, is that like?

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Altogether I have 5, I have 5 minutes.

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No, no.

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That would be for you and then questions follow. You have 10.

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That would be rough.

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I have what?

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So I'll back up and say.

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Chair Harvey.

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Commissioner Chandler. Commissioner Trejo.

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County manager and and all the.

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Audience here.

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I am really honored to be here. Thank you so much for making time on the agenda and I realize you know this is providential for me

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I don't think all of you would have been here.

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For this topic, but it's a.

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Extremely important. Important topic.

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For all of us in Linda County.

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So I'm glad to have the opportunity and I will do my best to make it pretty concise but meaningful.

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So, umm.

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A little bit of background.

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You know, every January we meet in Santa Fe. All of your legislators meet and we.

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Pass the bills, we decide how to spend the money.

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And we do that for either a month or two every year and in between and the interim which we are in now.

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We we have committee meetings and I'm on the Health and Human Services Committee. I'm ranking minority member.

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We have meetings every month.

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For several days.

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And so I heard about this issue, I think it was, it was put forward by Legislative Council service who does a lot of our legal

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research and and statistical research for the, they're the.

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Legal research arm for the legislature.

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They brought this up to legislative.

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The Finance Committee.

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And I said, you know, I, I really would like for our health committee to hear that.

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So we did hear that in July.

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We heard this topic.

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I was really.

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Surprised. Umm.

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About what I heard, so I wanted to share that with you all because I think it's pretty meaningful and something we can really work

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Reconnecting discs.

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Disconnected youth in Luna County.

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Who's doing my?

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Do I do that?

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Oh, just hit a little advance 10.

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Oh, great. OK, so.

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Statewide.

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There are 32,000 New Mexico youth.

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That are disconnected and what does that mean?

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Those are 16 to 24 year olds. They're not in school, they're not working and they're not in any kind of training and they're

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costing the state an estimated.

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$623 million a year.

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I'm kind of unable to really see the end of that, but.

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That's not.

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Support money that is actually money that that's.

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Tax revenue that we would have if those people were working. So it's an estimated amount, but disconnected youth statewide there

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are 32,000.

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New Mexico youth disconnection rate is.

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It higher than the national rate, it's 13%. Nationwide it's 11 or 12.

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The lost tax revenue.

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It's individually for each person would be about 19.5000. So why does that matter to us?

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Because this connection is not.

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Evenly.

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Spread across the state.

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And our county has more than our share of this burden. Luna County's disconnection rate is 29%.

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Much, much higher.

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Then statewide.

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You know more than half.

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So this is what caught my eye, of course.

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It's not good. There are approximately, you know, an estimated 800 people, young people 16 to 24, not working, not in school.

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You know, not entering of any kind.

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So a lot of this is going to be my perspective, you know, from, from the, from the legislature, from working legislature knowing,

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Big picture, what we're doing statewide, understanding the root cause.

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I have to ask myself, why aren't people working? We've got 14.7%.

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Unemployment rate here in Linda County.

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And I I honestly believe.

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That part of that is because they don't need to.

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And because living counties unemployment rate is.

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Higher than you know what, I can't really see that. Can I move this?

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A little bit, yeah, certainly.

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Wherever you're comfortable.

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That's better.

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And everybody on the left side still see that.

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OK, good. Thank you.

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Yeah. So because our employment rate is above 10% now, we happen to be the only county.

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In the entire state that's received a waiver from the federal government for SNAP.

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Benefits.

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You know, there are new requirements from the federal government that were put in place.

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To to to help.

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People move toward not being dependent on the government anymore, actually so.

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Able bodied individuals who are 18.

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This is.

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The waiver with what we've received a waiver for 18 through 64 there that are able bodied.

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Should be. If they're receiving snap, they should be working.

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Or in school or volunteering 20 hours a week.

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And that would be the requirement that is is, you know, nationwide now, but.

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The way I understand it is our healthcare healthcare association or.

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HCA. Anyway, HCA requested from the federal government.

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A waiver.

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For Luna County.

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Problem is.

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I I'm hearing and I'm hearing evidence of this that people if.

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They don't work if they don't have to.

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And a lot of these young people.

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You know if they can get snap and not work.

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You know some of them are choosing to do that. I know that for a fact because I've had.

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I've had.

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Employers tell me that that that's what they're saying, that's what they're seeing. So do we have a shortage of jobs?

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We don't. We have so many jobs. We have businesses that are struggling because they can't find employees. So you put all that

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together and, you know, we just have to say.

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I am very much aware we have a food insecurity problem, but we need to focus those.

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Dollars on the people who really need it, and we need those employees.

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Those young people especially to come back to the workforce.

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So that's, that's a state issue. I I realize that.

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But that's my perspective and I think we've got a lot of evidence and some of it will be.

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You'll see here in a minute.

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So what's the cost of inaction?

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Disconnection means for our young people.

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38.4000 less.

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By the time they're 30 compared to their peers who've stayed connected.

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They will earn 38.4.

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1000 less dollars per year.

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45% of those people at age 30 will.

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Be less likely to ever own a home.

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42% will be less likely to be employed later in life.

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So they'll remain unemployed and 52% will be less likely to report good health.

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This is a recipe.

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For a life of poverty.

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And so I know that I know we can. We can do better. They're not abstract statistics. They describe a long-term trajectory for

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hundreds of Looney County kids.

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Unless we act now.

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So local momentum, that's where I was already excited because I know you guys, even though you didn't have these stats, you've

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already seen the problem.

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And you've already taken that initiative.

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To start, the vo-tech opportunities which have been I think are working well and we're receiving more and more interest in that

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all the time and.

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You know way more about that than I do, but.

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The county's own vocational vo tech efforts are already helping residents move from public assistance toward independence.

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Pre apprenticeship opportunity program and that I'm.

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I've actually learned a lot more about this issue just in the last two days since I put this together.

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So that program.

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That is also known as America's jobs.

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Maybe you guys know that it used to be a workforce?

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I think they changed America's job center.

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And we have an office here.

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And they're 84.

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Participants Participants enrolled in Dimming in fiscal years 23 through 25.

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And that's the highest of any site listed. So this is good. We're making progress already. Project Search.

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There are 47 youth served. I believe that's across.

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The across the state, but there were four that graduated.

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Just this last May and two of those graduates, those are young people.

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Who their high school seniors at Deming High and they have some kind of a disability, either an intellectual or a physical

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disability.

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You know how wonderful that we're targeting those people too. They, they need our opportunities just like we all do.

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So there are two of them working for the city of Deming. That was a wonderful program. I mean, I could see when I.

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Gave them certificates of recognition.

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That they had.

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Built a bond.

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With the city employees.

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And it was so meaningful to their families, to the young people.

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And, and to everyone who worked there, I think to know that they had achieved, you know.

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Those individuals.

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A goal that they would not have achieved otherwise. And so that was really meaningful and I know that.

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Ryan Gonzalez is working hard to advance that and expand that program.

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And of course I already mentioned.

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The the tech at the Learning Center you guys have six hands on program launched in the summer 25 welding CDL full body.

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Cosmetology, AI literacy at ESL, and I understand there's talk about citizenship classes, which is really exciting too.

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So understanding the barriers, youth say they would work.

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If given the right support.

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82% of youth surveyed statewide said they could start working with adequate support. Top barriers would be.

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Housing instability.

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28% of them said that lack of skills and training, 20% we're already working on that health or disability.

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19%, I think we've addressed that too somewhat.

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Wages are too low. Here's where I say.

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It wouldn't that be evidence?

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That they don't need to work.

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Because you know if you have nothing.

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Low wages are better than nothing.

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But they have a better opportunity. They're incentivized to stay home.

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Or someone is.

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Supporting them I will say that.

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So caring for family, which is absolutely a valid reason to be home.

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And there are programs that.

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In involve.

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Compensating for that as well.

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No jobs nearby. Well, we know that's not true. We have lots of jobs here that just aren't being filled, reaching youth where they

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are. How do we find them? That was also the.

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Big question in my mind. You've got 800 youth. They're not in school. They're not.

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They're not working. Where are they?

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You know, we have to reach them.

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And then we have to prevent others, you know, in.

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That are in school now from going this direction so.

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They're probably on social media.

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Social media outreach and.

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Youth where they spend time and we.

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That's our challenge and I think that's something that we.

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Do well is we build relationships with people.

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We just need to know and need to have a targeted effort.

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Parent and family engagement since parents are often the first point of contact, you know, educating.

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Just the public.

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School counselor and dropout referral partnerships.

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Community and faith-based organizations and connections.

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Local employer job fairs and open houses.

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It's a humanitarian effort in my mind. It's not just money lost.

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Through tax revenue, we need to connect those kids, those young people.

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Need to connect with them the states action plan.

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Once the this this research was done.

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Legislative Finance Committee.

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Well, there was an effort to.

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To build.

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Action plan which includes a lot of recommendations. Some may apply to us more than others, but.

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Requires school districts to create a referral process for students who drop out. I spoke with the Superintendent just a couple of

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days ago and I know that this is something he's targeting as well it's kind of like OK, we all know this is a problem, you know

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and. And so there's work in the schools to.

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To to catch these kids before they.

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Before they drop out.

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Said enrollment targets for out of school youth and Workforce Solutions department programs.

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Require outcome monitoring. Jobs education earnings for youth serving programs.

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That's a big one. That's a lot of the time that's our our state responsibility is to make sure that the dollars that we give to

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programs are actually being used.

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Wisely. And they're actually.

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Producing what?

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Was intended.

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Expand proven models, including integrated.

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Education and training.

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Create a cross agency coordinating body under the office of the Governor. Well, I'm not.

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Huge about, you know.

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Expanding big government, but I definitely think that's something that we could do.

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Here locally.

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We could connect.

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People who are.

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Providers are.

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Entities that are siloed right now.

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And so that we all know when we can really try to try to catch these young people.

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So my approach you know.

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Like I said, I've been brainstorming even the last couple of days doing it locally homegrown cost effective approach was.

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Basically what I just.

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Partly just what I stated.

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As your state representative, I want to share what's happening at state level and why I believe Luna County is well positioned to

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lead this work locally, building on what we've already funded.

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With warm, caring approach that puts people first. We need to grow local mentorship.

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We talked about that last week, did we not?

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Yeah, we talked about that with healthcare providers that they want to build.

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Relationships, you know.

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An apprenticeship relationship.

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So that those young people will actually stay here.

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You know, come on, we will. We will. I mean, there are even.

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There are entities that will pay for that. We may not need state funding.

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They need employees so badly, and they want.

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People to.

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They want to for everyone to benefit and for them to be able to have.

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And.

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And so forth.

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So, umm.

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Growing local mentorship. Building an employer talent.

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Pipeline.

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And increase vo-tech investment per county leadership with state support.

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Always good to get state dollars if we can for something like this as far as building a.

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Pipeline, uh.

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How am I doing? I got one second.

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My goodness, I'll try to wrap it up.

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Anyway.

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Yeah, I was talking to my favorite business owner just.

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A couple of days ago.

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And he hires a lot of young people.

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And this is something I that I didn't include here, but it's big, I believe.

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16 to 24.

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Where was that 24 year old six years ago during shutdowns?

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I mean.

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18 not graduating from high school.

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Sitting home with a mask on, looking at a screen.

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And then, you know, you go down the line.

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We had some of the worst shutdowns and a lot of our young people are.

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They're struggling.

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You know, obviously.

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There are 800 of them out there.

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They they're struggling maybe with.

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All kinds of things. Maybe social.

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Social interacting maybe. Maybe depression.

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Maybe drug use?

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All of these things are possibilities and.

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Who would be surprised at that after what they went through in their formative years?

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So.

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I think you know with the behavioral health.

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Infrastructure that we're putting together that maybe we could have.

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A a partnership.

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With businesses.

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Bringing those businesses in, say we can't just put a.

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A job fair together and expect them to come. We can't.

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Put it in the paper and expect them to come.

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But.

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But we can partner in finding those young people.

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And letting them know maybe from the beginning. I'm not sure how this looks but.

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That we've got help for you. You know you're excited about a new job.

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Two or three weeks in, you start getting late. Maybe then you know, a week later you just don't show up. It's not OK anymore. We

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need to bring them in.

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And uh.

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Build those relationships, like I said.

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How you guys could help and you know?

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I champion local referral partnerships, address housing and transportation gaps, bring in some of that.

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500 million plus dollars in state housing funds toward looting county. That would be great.

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And back your Votec initiatives.

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And join the data conversation.

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Participate in cross agency data sharing so we can track and prove.

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What's working locally?

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So as I said.

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I think reconnecting these 800 young people.

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Is is a humanitarian effort?

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I think we should be.

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Feeling obligated.

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To give them opportunities with accountability.

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And hope for.

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Hope for a good future.

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And break that cycle of.

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Generational.

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Poverty that we have here in Linnet County.

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We shouldn't have that and I don't think we have to.

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So thank you so much for listening.

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Jennifer, I've got a question.

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The statistics are certainly poignant. They part to an issue that has held us back for a long time here.

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I personally.

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We'll work with you to find a situation or a course of action that's been pointed out so we can fill it out with who does what.

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Maybe my other commissioners will join me in that, because this is a problem that needs to be solved.

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We continue to have exactly what you said.

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Be it on the city, the county, private employers, people can't find people to work.

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And those people are here, but for whatever reason.

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They don't work.

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And I do have a question for you when you pointed out that the state gained A waiver or we did.

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What was the reason for that, that we were so special that we would get a waiver?

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Because our unemployment rate is over 10%, yeah.

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Which seems exactly a reason.

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To do something about this exactly so.

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Understandable, like I said.

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I I understand.

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That logic from one perspective, because we do have food insecurity, there's no doubt about that. And I've addressed that, you

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know, for the last four years. And one way or another we, we need to focus those dollars. We need to focus our attention on people

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who actually need that, not folks who are.

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Who? Who need?

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A challenge Who need?

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A better life.

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And who could work 20 hours a week?

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And or volunteer 20 or any of that. So the only other, you know, we're the only county that got a waiver. I think there are only

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10 counties across the nation.

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That got a waiver.

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And and all of the pueblos did get a waiver as well, which.

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You know, I understand that.

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And all the pueblos here in New Mexico. So it's Luna County.

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And the Pueblos?

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Thank you, Jennifer.

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We've all done, yes, it was a really well done presentation and we talk about this fairly often in our household.

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And.

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Another thing that we might want to consider on this is.

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How do people get into this situation? You yourself stated.

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That a lot of it may have been.

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Born during that whole.

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COVID era but.

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It's an ongoing situation.

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And so.

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Part of what?

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Helps us.

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Not only do we need to reconnect these people, but we need to.

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Start some sort of prevention figure out.

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Why in the world are you in this situation?

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How can we help you prevent it?

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How can we mentally?

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And.

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Physically, what kind of training? What kinds of skills, What kinds of things are you thinking you need?

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In order to avoid this situation.

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So that might be something that we also need to look at.

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Is not just taking care of this, but.

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How do we prevent it from happening? Yes, I agree.

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Yes, it's it.

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I think all working together we can do it.

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I really do. So we'll continue to strengthen the initiative and the work that's been done.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Representative.

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All right. Moving forward we have.

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A presentation by.

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Agate Solar and storage, Amalekite battery storage, Special use permit application and IRB.

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Inducement resolution by James.

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100 James, are you here?

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There you are.

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Second time in a week, good to see you.

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Second time in a week. Good to see you guys. Commissioner Treyo, we haven't met, but I'm.

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Here on behalf of Megan. Knudsen worked with Megan for the past 4 1/2 years.

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Over at Desiree and.

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Commissioner or County Manager? Bryce, nice to meet you as well.

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Thank you all for the time here.

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We appreciate your consideration of the application for our Sup and the inducement of our IRB resolution.

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Just a quick background on who we are, who Desiree is.

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Just clicker.

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Yeah, so just one thing to hammer home here.

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Desiree is a long turnover, long term owner, operator of these sorts of projects. There's a lot of other developers in our

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industry who are.

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More or less fly by night operators and they develop projects to a certain point to then sell them to somebody.

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Larger, who then takes on responsibility. This is not that case.

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We've developed this project from the ground up.

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We've worked with land owners since the beginning. We have previous relationships with the land owners given our Carney solar

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project, which is just S what we're proposing here today.

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And and we're the ones who are going to be owning and operating this asset in the long term. So if there are questions about the

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project, if anything goes wrong with the project, we're the ones that you call. And so we want to establish that relationship

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obviously from the beginning and continue it going forward.

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But in the same.

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You know the this slide here should give you an idea of just what our footprint looks like. We have we've operations kind of all

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over the country. I think it's in 24 states now.

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We've got long standing.

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Relationships with utilities across the country with.

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Grid operators across the country with electric cooperatives across the country.

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You know, we continue to build on those relationships. We continue to see that there is a severe power demand issue in this

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country and we're trying to help alleviate some of the.

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The issues of.

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Escalating electricity rates by trying to supply more power. We're trying to balance that supply demand equation a little bit more

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here and do it in a way that's not so impactful to to the environment.

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So focusing on our projects here, we'll first start with.

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With the Malachite battery project.

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This is a 65 MW battery storage project. It's just off Hatch Highway. The intent here was to expand on the carne.

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Storage projects.

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Capacity.

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So you know we've had developed that project that projects just about wrapped up construction and is in operation.

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And what we're looking at here is, is like I said, it's just an expansion on what?

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The remaining headroom was on that substation.

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So we helped construct.

497
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The the Mesquite switch yard and and substation, which is actually now owned by EP.

498
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:08,710
We self built it.

499
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:09,870
You know, give to them.

500
00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:14,270
Because it was shorter, more efficient, cheaper to do for us to do it ourselves.

501
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:15,390
And so.

502
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:20,510
With this storage project, there was a little bit more capacity that was available there on that side of the switch yard.

503
00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:27,030
And so that's the intent of this project. It's relatively small, you know, with respect to the the broader.

504
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:31,430
Project footprint here. This is about I want to say.

505
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:36,830
You know, 3 1/2 miles northwest of where we are now. It's just off Hatch Highway there.

506
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:41,670
We have with two options that we're presenting for this project.

507
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:44,600
It may be Fast forward a little bit here.

508
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:52,000
So we have two alternatives for this project. We have one that's closer to the substation, which is a little bit further South.

509
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:53,200
And then we have an alternate.

510
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:55,920
Location a little further to the north.

511
00:28:56,030 --> 00:29:00,400
The reason that we're coming to the Commission now and looking for these two alternatives really comes down to.

512
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:02,950
The selection of our technology.

513
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:05,470
And what is actually going in? Whether we're using a different?

514
00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:09,270
Manufacturer for the lithium ion cells that are going to be in the battery.

515
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:11,350
Can adjust the footprint of the project.

516
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:14,710
We would obviously like this to be closer to the substation.

517
00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:21,200
The chief reason for that is because we don't want to have to build a gentile or a small transmission line that gets the power.

518
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:26,990
That's been stored in the battery back to the substation. If we're further away for closer, there's less land impact.

519
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:29,030
You don't have to cross, you know, parcel lines.

520
00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:30,310
Becomes far more efficient.

521
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:32,790
So that's one thing to consider.

522
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,590
I think just, you know, for the remainder of this.

523
00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:38,190
You know, side of the project that we're here discussing today.

524
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:43,030
You know, we have made some progress on this project. Right now the interconnection studies are ongoing. We expect to have the

525
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:46,590
finalization of those studies from EPE.

526
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:48,310
I want to say back.

527
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:50,190
You know, by Q3 of this year.

528
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:55,670
And then in addition to that, we've been awarded or been selected, haven't been awarded and finalized an energy storage agreement

529
00:29:55,670 --> 00:30:01,030
with El Paso Electric. This was part of their 2025 RFP. So this was last year we were awarded it.

530
00:30:04,770 --> 00:30:07,720
Shifting gears here to our agent solar and storage project.

531
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:10,430
This is 199 MW project.

532
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:14,840
199 megawatts of solar, plus another 199 megawatts of battery storage.

533
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:16,350
Same idea.

534
00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:20,470
In terms of the thesis of this project is similar to Malachite.

535
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:26,600
We're looking at an expansion of the Carne solar project, given the fact that there was sufficient infrastructure in the area.

536
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:29,695
Obviously, it's not news to this county, it's not news to the adjacent counties that there are major, you know, power demand

537
00:30:29,695 --> 00:30:32,680
that's happening in the area.

538
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:36,760
We also want to be cognizant of just what happens when we build these projects.

539
00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:39,920
So when folks see a footprint that looks like that.

540
00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:42,560
Clearly there's.

541
00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:43,350
Quite a bit of.

542
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:47,390
Of acreage involved, right, This is a project that's going to be spanning across.

543
00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:49,070
Roughly 32 parcels.

544
00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:55,795
Some of those, most of that is privately owned land. Some of it, most of the land that connects these arrays together is state

545
00:30:55,795 --> 00:31:01,800
owned land, Really only using that for our medium voltage conduit to connect these arrays together. So minimal impact there.

546
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:03,550
But then in addition to that.

547
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:07,880
When it comes to, I know it's very sensitive for the Commission, it's very sensitive for the county's water usage.

548
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,430
The water usage on these sorts of projects is minimal.

549
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:12,990
Because it's certainly minimal with compared to a data center.

550
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:13,990
Right.

551
00:31:14,110 --> 00:31:18,910
We're looking at during construction, which is only about an 18 month time period is what we're assuming right now.

552
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:21,510
Is about 100 to 150 acre feet.

553
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:26,190
And then year over year in terms of the operations and the cleaning of this facility?

554
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:27,240
We're probably looking at.

555
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:31,230
One to five acre feet of water in terms of cleaning the panels and maintaining it.

556
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:36,670
The usage of that water really is to make sure that we're there's dust control, which is obviously a requirement of the county.

557
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:41,110
And we want to make sure that we're not kicking up a whole lot of dust and, you know, causing problems elsewhere, so.

558
00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:42,600
That's part of the reason that we're using it.

559
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:46,350
I think you know.

560
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:51,080
As we consider these projects, and we really appreciate obviously the Commission's consideration here.

561
00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:53,990
You know, while we understand that.

562
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:58,110
There is certainly a lot to be considered with with regards to the project's impact.

563
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:59,950
There's quite a large footprint here.

564
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,310
We obviously understand that there are some.

565
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:08,390
You know, highways that go by obviously Hatch Highway, I-70 and Air US 70 or sorry.

566
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:09,030
And.

567
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:15,030
You know, we've taken the appropriate steps that we believe in what's industry standard and what we're trying to meet the.

568
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:17,070
The ordinance Commission in the county.

569
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:19,550
Is you know, we're using anti glare.

570
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:24,230
Panels for making sure that this project is going to be very far set back.

571
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:27,230
Obviously the storage component is a little bit closer, but we.

572
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:31,110
The when the solar panels there are going to be about 1000 yards off the road, so.

573
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:33,520
Very far back going to be using.

574
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:35,710
Lighting that's required for warning.

575
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:41,640
Right. It's going to be appropriate and used for FAA requirements, county requirements, all of those lights are going to be.

576
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:44,910
Downward facing that's going to be minimal to no light pollution.

577
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:47,640
You know, we obviously want to make sure that that's something that's taken into account.

578
00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:50,430
With regards to the land use.

579
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:51,750
And community.

580
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:53,590
Obviously, our neighbors are.

581
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:56,470
Either the land owners whom are taking part in the project.

582
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:57,670
Or is going to be this?

583
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:59,390
Project that we built previously itself.

584
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:02,350
We've got low water uses I mentioned.

585
00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:08,230
That quiet nature to this project, obviously there is construction which we'll keep within reasonable hours during the

586
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:14,030
construction time, but once the facility is operational, the inverters are the portion of the project which create a small hum.

587
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:16,470
Which would be no longer larger.

588
00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:21,870
Than ambient noise in the county that you would see in that area. We're in competition really with the highways and the railroad.

589
00:33:22,550 --> 00:33:24,750
And so that's kind of the ambient noise that we're competing with.

590
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,760
I think one thing that's worth mentioning that Desiree had done in the past.

591
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:32,230
Believe we had donated to the Vote Tech vocational school.

592
00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:33,870
Under our carne project.

593
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:35,510
That's certainly within.

594
00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:37,040
Our thinking here.

595
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:38,310
As we work with you guys.

596
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:43,750
I think we had donated $250,000 to the Tech Vocational School under the Karna project.

597
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:46,350
If I'm wrong, I know Megan was in charge of that project, but.

598
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:48,550
We certainly intend to.

599
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:51,310
Do something along the same lines.

600
00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:54,510
If you guys believe that those funds could be better appropriated towards.

601
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:56,550
Other, you know, disconnected youth.

602
00:33:56,710 --> 00:34:01,470
Initiatives, then we could certainly be open to discussing that, but it seems like that's really bearing a lot of fruit.

603
00:34:01,670 --> 00:34:03,550
We can continue to pour some resources in there.

604
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:05,030
So that's something to think about.

605
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:08,960
Just to quickly hit towards the end here.

606
00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:13,617
For local employment for the Malachi project, obviously a little bit smaller, about 100 construction jobs over the 18 month

607
00:34:13,617 --> 00:34:17,564
period. And then for the Agate solar and storage project, we're thinking about 100, I think it's 200 to 300 jobs during the

608
00:34:17,564 --> 00:34:21,511
construction period.

609
00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:23,750
After that falls off quite steep.

610
00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:26,430
It's about 5 people who could run the solar project.

611
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:27,430
Year over year.

612
00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:30,190
For the for the Agate solar project.

613
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:31,640
And then the same for the malachite.

614
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:33,950
For that, Desiree really likes to employ locally.

615
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:35,550
So we're looking to.

616
00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:36,990
Employ local workers.

617
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:39,510
Make sure that we're taking that account to the county.

618
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:40,430
So.

619
00:34:40,910 --> 00:34:43,150
Obviously there's tax dollars involved here.

620
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:46,410
We're estimating about $18 million in revenue to the county and school district over the life of the project, 3 million of that's

621
00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:49,630
going to be coming up front.

622
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:51,070
I think during our current.

623
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:53,070
Or under our current proposal with the county.

624
00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:55,910
You know that would be due in December of 27.

625
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:02,520
If you guys have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

626
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:11,120
Because I don't, James, I had when you presented to us earlier informally, I had a chance to ask my questions.

627
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:13,790
Commissioners, do you have anything you'd like to add or Chris?

628
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:16,030
I think my only question is.

629
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:17,830
Do you happen to know how?

630
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:23,750
Are what is the footage between the Hatch highway and the proposed malachite battery storage?

631
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:26,550
Compared to the alternate malachite batteries.

632
00:35:28,450 --> 00:35:31,720
See here. So I believe from Hatch Highway.

633
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:34,150
It's a difference of about 150 feet.

634
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,440
But between the highway, there's obviously.

635
00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:42,470
The train tracks.

636
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:48,430
Thank you. And this was a private.

637
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:50,610
Landowner that sold you.

638
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:53,030
Property for this, correct, we're leasing it.

639
00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:55,310
And actually, something else to note.

640
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:57,190
The decommissioning of this facility.

641
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,020
Obviously, we know that the county has a requirement. There's a $50,000 security that has to be posted in which we would

642
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,840
absolutely comply with.

643
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:07,710
But in addition to that, there's a little bit of a belt and suspenders approach this project has to take.

644
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:10,030
Our lease agreements with the land owners.

645
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,710
Require us to pull everything out of the ground.

646
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:17,650
Not just to four feet, you know, below the surface everything has to come out. So we have obligations to the land owners legally

647
00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:22,510
to do so. And obviously we still have obligations to the county too as well.

648
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:26,230
Elena, All right.

649
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:27,830
Thank you, James. Thank you.

650
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:29,150
Appreciate your comments.

651
00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:30,590
And your presentation so.

652
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:34,010
All right.

653
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:38,630
Moving on to another one, he'll dog him in Luna County's Border Economic Development Strategic Assessment by Doctor Christopher

654
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:42,590
Erickson.

655
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:47,230
Director of the Center of Border Economic Development, thank you so much for being here. Thank you.

656
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:52,030
Thank you for having me, Thank you for giving me this opportunity, Madam Chairman Harmon.

657
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:56,630
Harvey, Commissioner Chandler, Commissioner Trudeau, thank you very much.

658
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:59,590
As I mentioned, this is the Adalgo.

659
00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:01,390
And Luna County.

660
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:03,350
Luna County.

661
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:06,590
Border economic development assessment.

662
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:11,910
That's being funded through the new the New Mexico Border Authority.

663
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:18,110
It's being funded through the state. It's a partnership between New Mexico State University and Wilson and Company.

664
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:22,130
You're, I'm sure you're familiar with both those organizations, both have been very active in the county and the southern part of

665
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:25,750
the state for.

666
00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:26,910
For many years.

667
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:34,450
The team is at Enemy Shoes Doctor Lucinda Vargas, myself, Doctor Craner Winningham and Doctor Keith Mandelbach.

668
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:36,630
Doctor Mandabak is with me today.

669
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:38,830
He's the person doing the.

670
00:37:40,070 --> 00:37:41,030
Doing the.

671
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:44,350
Hospitality and tourism study.

672
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:48,070
That's a major component of this of this project.

673
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:55,470
Then the Wilson team is Amy Moran and Angelica Bryant, and Helena Bryant is with me here today too.

674
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:59,150
Both of them be available to answer questions should it be appropriate to.

675
00:37:59,870 --> 00:38:03,110
And in their in their area as we go forward.

676
00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:06,510
So we have strategic partners in Mexico.

677
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:13,010
This is a border assessment, so we're looking at increasing activity going across the border, economic development along the

678
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:19,030
border, as well as economic development that can be.

679
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:23,150
Associate the border and throughout the two counties.

680
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:30,150
So the project's purpose is to develop a coordinated infrastructure and border economic development strategy for Luna and Hidalgo

681
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:33,830
counties.

682
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:40,750
Integrating comprehensive by national stakeholder engagement into the process of developing that.

683
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,920
The project objectives first is to create tools to support industrial recruitment, economic development, tourism initiatives and

684
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,160
funding requests.

685
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:59,150
Develop a priority list of infrastructure needs to grow the regional economy. And of course, that's informed already by the work

686
00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:05,870
that's been done by both counties and and by other development agencies and organizations in the community.

687
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:10,355
We're going to generate inventory, resources and opportunities that better connectivity across the mix of border communities

688
00:39:10,355 --> 00:39:14,120
between New Mexico and Mexican communities.

689
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:21,740
Here you see the main communities that are being serviced by the project study area.

690
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:27,230
Luna County, the Village of Columbus, Hildegard County, Lordsburg, Deming.

691
00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:33,510
These are all major communities and institutions that were will be dealing with.

692
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:36,190
And here you see the.

693
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:37,190
Study.

694
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:38,510
Map.

695
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,920
So we have the region. Region A of course is dimming and then B is the border crossing.

696
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:53,160
Seized Lordsburg D is analog wells. There's also key rural communities.

697
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:57,270
Throughout the study area that we that we would be seeking to engage with.

698
00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:05,960
Project scope its regional content to accidents, providing a planning.

699
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:07,430
Strategy.

700
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:12,790
This involves developing a background purpose and regional planning effort.

701
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:15,870
A regional vision, Mission. Strategic goals.

702
00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:19,910
Regional overview and economic context a summary of existing plans which is.

703
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:25,510
Summary of existing plans is very critical because that is going to be the main source by which we develop. The rest of the

704
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:30,990
project is by looking at what's already been done and incorporating that into into the project.

705
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:34,270
And then another very important.

706
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:37,750
Part is community understanding and stakeholder input.

707
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:42,710
In fact, the main reason why I'm here is to encourage stakeholder input.

708
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:48,220
From the community here in in Deming and in Luna County.

709
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:52,780
And also to help the Commission with with gaining that input.

710
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:56,220
Stakeholder input for this project.

711
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:00,660
And we're also going to do a strategic assessment of regional conditions.

712
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,780
I'm not going to go through this long list here, but we're going to do a considerable.

713
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:10,750
Review of infrastructure, land use, and site readiness.

714
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:14,340
In particular, we want to identify.

715
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:17,740
Again, starting with existing plans, but also.

716
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,100
Looking at potential changes those plans incorporating.

717
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:24,980
Ideas that we may get from the community as we go along.

718
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:28,920
This will be mainly done by Wilson and company who has a great deal of experience in doing this. I think has worked on previous

719
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,780
plans here in the in the community.

720
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:42,370
Economic opportunities and strategic recommendations, and these are coming mainly from the MSU team and.

721
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:45,740
You see here we have economic opportunities and.

722
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:49,980
Analysis of target industries. Assessment of industry investment opportunities.

723
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,580
Economic and tax revenue impact estimates.

724
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:57,180
I want to skip down to the tourism which is down.

725
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:59,750
Showing here.

726
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:04,000
We've already done quite a bit of the tourism report. Doctor Amanda Bock has been working on that since the initiation of the

727
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,780
project.

728
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:15,520
I would call it about 90% completed. He's been contacting local people here in the community, getting information about the

729
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:22,820
resources available and and potential tourism marketing activities.

730
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:26,700
Talking to the people here on the ground who are already working in this area.

731
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:30,140
And that that study is mainly completed.

732
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:32,140
It actually won't be completed.

733
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:37,420
In total, until the very end of the project because we'll be seeking input and feedback.

734
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:43,220
All along the way from stakeholders and nothing's done until it's completely done.

735
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,540
Drafts will be presented. Second drafts will be presented.

736
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,625
This is definitely not something that will be done until the very end of the project where we continue to get feedback and input

737
00:42:50,625 --> 00:42:54,550
from the community.

738
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,980
Input from the community for this kind of project.

739
00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:01,660
Is number one key most important thing that we need to get it done.

740
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:05,700
Right. And correctly, in a way that's useful for the community.

741
00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:11,060
And I can't overemphasize the need for community input and the need to feel.

742
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:13,270
You get feedback from the community.

743
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:19,060
As many of you may be aware of myself, I've been in Libya, in Las Cruces for 40 years, working economic development projects in

744
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:24,420
New Mexico for 40 years. They don't work without the community involvement.

745
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:28,620
Doctor Mann, Doctor Mandavath is the same, he says. Years and years of experience of working in tourism studies, including

746
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:32,660
previous tourism studies.

747
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,710
In the local community right here.

748
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:37,620
Working through extension from NMSU.

749
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:43,080
Also in the Wilson team, you guys are probably even more familiar with because you've engaged with them directly, the county has

750
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,740
funded them directly.

751
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:51,740
And so, you know, this is a team that knows that we need to get the feedback from the community and that is so important for this

752
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:55,620
to be successful.

753
00:43:57,690 --> 00:44:05,010
Here you see the core task and again, I won't bore you with this kind of a long list, but let me.

754
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,220
Point out a couple of the projects project.

755
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:12,620
Management coordination course goes throughout the whole project.

756
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:18,790
That the baseline data analysis, we've started working on that, but that again is something.

757
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:23,380
That won't be done until towards the end of the project. Ongoing continuous.

758
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:25,860
Processing to refund the project.

759
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:30,300
The Community and by national stakeholder engagement.

760
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:32,180
We did engage with a.

761
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:35,300
Kabul Data.

762
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:41,905
Festival down in Lordsburg. We went there and we had a stakeholder meeting and project kickoff in that community. I think that was

763
00:44:41,905 --> 00:44:47,710
back in March.

764
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:54,780
And it was an interesting Fiesta too. I love the the event itself, it was terrific.

765
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:57,460
And the.

766
00:44:58,780 --> 00:44:59,740
And then?

767
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:04,180
Since then we've been working mainly at the hotel tourism aspect of the engagement, but now we're ready to move into other phases

768
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:08,420
of the project.

769
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:13,500
Again, a major reason for me coming here is to just encourage stakeholder engagement.

770
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:20,590
The transportation system analysis were in wastewater utilities and wastewater drainage and stormage.

771
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:28,580
Those have are have not really been done yet. They're these are going to be begun shortly, but have not been begun yet.

772
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,900
Economic analysis and tourism we've already mentioned.

773
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,820
Land use planning has not been.

774
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,580
That it has not been begun yet. We're that that's.

775
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:39,380
Phase the project.

776
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:45,020
And documentation of Q&A and QC is ongoing, but we're working on that.

777
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:47,300
Here you see the timeline.

778
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:55,900
You'll notice that that we have that we are going through June of 2027.

779
00:45:56,180 --> 00:46:01,260
And so some of the projects have been begun, other projects we've not yet started yet.

780
00:46:01,540 --> 00:46:03,020
And so we're we.

781
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:06,780
We this gives you an idea where we're at in the project at this point.

782
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:14,415
Near term priorities or project management engagement, assembly of analysis of baseline data, ongoing economic and tourism study

783
00:46:14,415 --> 00:46:20,750
and then the future land use planning is something.

784
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:22,540
We will be beginning shortly.

785
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:25,830
Key accomplishments at this point.

786
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:31,180
So I'm not going to read this list, but you can see we've been doing things up to now.

787
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:38,100
Working on getting the project going. We have a little less than a year, 10 months to go on the project.

788
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:39,700
And so.

789
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:42,620
Getting started, but we have much to do yet.

790
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:44,740
As we go forward.

791
00:46:47,590 --> 00:46:50,750
Here's a list of stakeholders we have and this I was looking at this list just before I was presenting today. As I said in the

792
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:53,910
audience, I was looking over it.

793
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:59,660
I noticed that it's that this is a list. It's a. It's not the full list of the people we've been reaching out to.

794
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:04,540
We're truly trying to spread a wider net in our outreach as we possibly can.

795
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:14,500
Here is a QR code. There's also hands out at the front of the room that people can pick up. I encourage everyone in the audience

796
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:21,040
to use that QR code. We have a survey available at the website for the project.

797
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:23,860
That this goes to the web project website.

798
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:28,340
And we have a survey there available that I urge everyone to.

799
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:31,820
Take it's in Spanish and English.

800
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:32,540
And.

801
00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:38,390
There's one for Hildegard County and there's one for Luna County.

802
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:44,030
With some specialist specialized questions depending on on where you're where you're living.

803
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:48,430
And we that that survey is going to be open through the end of the month.

804
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:53,660
And so I encourage people to participate that as as.

805
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:57,580
At your convenience, but before the end of the month.

806
00:47:58,660 --> 00:48:03,780
You also notice around town that we put it we in our on our as part of our trip over here today, we've been going around to local

807
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:08,900
business people asking us to put Flyers in there.

808
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:12,500
And they're in their facilities.

809
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:17,220
To be able to to encourage people to use the same.

810
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,900
QR code to take the survey.

811
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:25,380
So really interested in public input on this project. I hope I've gotten that message across.

812
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:27,260
I hope I have.

813
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:28,380
And.

814
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:32,980
And so I look forward to.

815
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:36,540
Your participant, hopefully, hopefully all the commissioners busy.

816
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:42,420
We can. Chairman Harvey, I know you've already participated in that. We appreciate that.

817
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:47,710
And with that, I think I'm ready for questions.

818
00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:53,380
I'd like to say thank you, Doctor Erickson, for coming. For those in the audience, I'm a.

819
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:59,620
Governor appointed member to the Mexico Border Authority and this is a significant project that we undertook.

820
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:03,340
In contract with.

821
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:08,640
The NMSU and Wilson to do this, it's extremely important that you please take some time to take that survey because the work that

822
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,460
is being done.

823
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:16,820
At the border region, particularly in Columbus.

824
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:21,300
Has a direct influence in one way or another on your future.

825
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:28,060
The whole idea of this is to build the appropriate infrastructure to attract jobs.

826
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:30,260
Do near shoring.

827
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:35,060
Find good employment for people better paying jobs provide.

828
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:39,000
The educational opportunities to put people to work. You heard Jennifer Jones earlier talk about an issue that we have here with

829
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,660
you.

830
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:46,860
Through our technical training programs that we do, we have an Ave.

831
00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:49,110
To provide technical training.

832
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:57,180
And your input on this is extremely important. We want this to be a project that you have direct input in.

833
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:01,100
So I can't encourage you strong enough and I thank you all.

834
00:50:01,180 --> 00:50:02,180
Coming today.

835
00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:06,280
To take that and please be part of it. I know that everybody is not always happy with what the county does, but this is an

836
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,300
opportunity that you have.

837
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:14,540
To participate and express your opinions.

838
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:17,780
About what should be done in connection with that survey.

839
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,820
So I urge you strongly as you have, Sir.

840
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:24,260
That people please take that, tell others about it.

841
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:25,580
Your input.

842
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,790
Impacts your future.

843
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:32,340
And we'd like to hear from you so that this county is congruent.

844
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:35,260
With your desires to improve itself.

845
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:37,580
Thank you so much, Sam. Thanks.

846
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:41,500
OK. Thank you.

847
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,030
Thank you all.

848
00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:45,450
All right.

849
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:49,540
Next, we move on to the consent agenda.

850
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:54,230
May I have a motion to approve the consent agenda please?

851
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,500
So move, Madam Chair.

852
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:58,140
And 2nd.

853
00:50:58,340 --> 00:51:00,060
2nd that. Thank you, Leo.

854
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:04,780
The first and a second or motion and a second. We have a roll call. Vote please.

855
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:07,230
Commissioner.

856
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:08,740
If chair.

857
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:10,860
Yes, Commissioner Chandler.

858
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:13,540
Yes, motion passes. Thank you.

859
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:19,100
Chris, how do you feel about taking a break? It's been a little bit long and we've got a ways to go.

860
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:24,400
I feel great. I took my break and OK, well let me ask you, would you like to take a break for 5 minutes or so so that you can move

861
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,860
forward on to anything else?

862
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:32,860
Please raise your hands if you'd like to. We're trying to make this a democratic process.

863
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:39,100
All right, hearing none, we're going to continue. Thank you. We're going to move on to the elected officials report.

864
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:40,780
Our first one is.

865
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:42,220
Scott, you're here.

866
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:43,020
Come on up.

867
00:51:44,850 --> 00:51:46,910
Magistrate Chandler Chandler. Excuse me.

868
00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:59,820
You're on no.

869
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:01,430
It was on.

870
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:02,620
Oh, there we go.

871
00:52:03,220 --> 00:52:04,980
All right. Good afternoon. Thank you.

872
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,510
Madam Chair, Commissioners.

873
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:11,260
County Manager.

874
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:13,050
All right.

875
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:15,620
So this is.

876
00:52:17,110 --> 00:52:20,310
Had a little good news. It looks like some things did go down.

877
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:23,210
So and.

878
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:26,270
Silver City Magistrate Court.

879
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,390
They had.

880
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:33,230
51 civils, 55172 criminals and.

881
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,820
623 Overall Baird, Magistrate.

882
00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:39,540
Three Civil. 224 Criminal.

883
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:43,180
And 227 overall Demi Magistrate Court.

884
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:44,980
61 Civils.

885
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:48,220
1543.

886
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:49,660
Criminal cases.

887
00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:52,540
And 1604.

888
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:58,100
Overall, and I did some quick math on it, I think it was down 113 from last month.

889
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:59,870
Overall on the.

890
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:01,260
Whole docket.

891
00:53:01,780 --> 00:53:02,580
So the.

892
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:04,580
For instance, the entire.

893
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:08,820
Criminal docket was 2606 for the whole 6th.

894
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:11,980
So breaking it down.

895
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,030
Domestic violence felonies.

896
00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:17,780
We had 0.

897
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:19,470
Which is a.

898
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:20,620
-1.

899
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:22,500
You know, from last month.

900
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:24,420
Domestic violence misdemeanors.

901
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:26,700
We had 34 which?

902
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:28,340
On my map was a.

903
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:30,940
+5.

904
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:32,660
DWI Felony.

905
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:34,780
We had 0.

906
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:37,790
And DWI misdemeanors.

907
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:41,340
We had 36, which was -1.

908
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Extradition to.

909
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:45,500
Felonies.

910
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,380
We had 15 which was 5 down.

911
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:51,980
And forceful detainers was 0.

912
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:54,580
General Civils was 51.

913
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:56,740
And landlord tenants 8.

914
00:53:57,780 --> 00:53:58,740
Misdemeanor.

915
00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:03,150
And magistrate only 107 which was.

916
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:05,260
-16 Down 5.

917
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,340
And mobile Home Park evictions to.

918
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:10,540
Traffic, uh.

919
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:14,140
Was 1349, which was down.

920
00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:18,580
94 for a total of 1604 cases.

921
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,270
So I stand for questions.

922
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:23,660
If I can answer them.

923
00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:28,170
Thank you for your report. I've got a question for you. So some of the counts were down.

924
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:31,020
Which is absolutely wonderful.

925
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:33,020
Any comment on?

926
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:35,060
Why is it seasonally?

927
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:37,340
It could be just.

928
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:39,580
You know the agencies were running.

929
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:41,980
Different, you know, like.

930
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:50,780
More intensified patrols, you know, last month or you know, there there could be a lot of things and also, you know, I mean it's.

931
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:54,220
One of the things you know, I've really tried to do in my court is, you know.

932
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:59,900
Kind of closed the door on the revolving door and kind of came up with a little method for that.

933
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:00,980
And so.

934
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:01,860
You know I.

935
00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:05,780
Like, hopefully we're not seeing as many repeat offenders.

936
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,430
I know you carry a very heavy workload and we appreciate the work you do.

937
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,100
Thank you very much, Scott.

938
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:13,460
Commissioners, Anything.

939
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:17,830
All right. Thank you, Sir. Thank you all and I appreciate your efforts.

940
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:19,660
Thank you, everybody being here, I'm gonna.

941
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:20,660
Get back to court.

942
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:21,780
And you as well, Sir.

943
00:55:22,590 --> 00:55:25,750
All right, the next one we have is our assessor's office.

944
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:26,820
Come on up, Michelle.

945
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:47,960
Excuse me?

946
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,720
Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Commissioners, County Manager and the public.

947
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:57,900
Today I want to talk a little bit about.

948
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:00,390
The tax rate.

949
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,360
Department of Finance and the Assessor's Office.

950
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,120
The tax rates are administered by New Mexico Department of Finance.

951
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,890
The New Mexico Department of Finance and Administration.

952
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:21,900
DFA is the state's central fiscal management agency providing fiscal oversight, budgeting, financial reporting and grant

953
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:29,800
management for state agencies, local governments.

954
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,720
And community programs.

955
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,400
The formula used to figure the tax rate is complicated.

956
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,480
And DFA has the expertise to handle that.

957
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:44,050
Department of Finance overseas collecting.

958
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:49,260
All the data from all the entities and districts within Luna County.

959
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Which would include the county, city.

960
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:58,970
Columbus schools and special districts, as well as the rest of the counties around the state.

961
00:57:00,630 --> 00:57:04,130
The assessor's office is responsible for determining.

962
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,800
And maintaining.

963
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,800
The current and correct market values of all taxable property.

964
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,320
Within their county for property tax purposes.

965
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,760
Of which contributes to the budget.

966
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,120
Public safety, Public works infrastructure.

967
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,840
Health care services, social services, Economic development.

968
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,840
Administration.

969
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,480
Debt service etc.

970
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:30,210
Which directly effects day-to-day.

971
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,560
Quality of life.

972
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Not setting tax rates.

973
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,730
Our office checks the values that are being used.

974
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,240
By the Department of Finance to determine the tax rates.

975
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,960
To ensure that those values are correct.

976
00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:50,130
I forward those tax rates I received from DFA to the city county.

977
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,280
Columbus Deming Public Schools treasurer.

978
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,600
For their review.

979
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,400
And the.

980
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,240
2026 tax rate.

981
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,080
Rates are ready for approval by the Luna County.

982
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:03,960
Board of Commission.

983
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:11,170
There has been an issue about this that was talked about a little bit last.

984
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,000
Month. Umm.

985
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,120
And there is a huge conflict of interest with the assessors office setting tax rates.

986
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Because we are the department that sets values and it doesn't make any sense.

987
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,560
For us to set tax rates.

988
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Plus we don't have the expertise to do so.

989
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:34,650
The Assessor's department has several items we are consistently aware of.

990
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,120
And concerned about when we're looking at value.

991
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,360
That most individuals don't think about.

992
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:43,490
So it's our job to make you aware.

993
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:48,690
When we are valuing property we are also removing value.

994
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,440
To several scenarios such as the following.

995
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:56,650
A dilapidated buildings and improvements that no longer have value.

996
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Manufactured homes.

997
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,320
That have been abandoned and destroyed.

998
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Properties being purchased by government entities that become exempt.

999
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,040
Properties being donated to government entities or churches that become exempt.

1000
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,920
Exemptions. Non government churches, schools, veterans.

1001
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,120
Family and nonprofits.

1002
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,320
Values set by property tax division.

1003
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,840
Livestock irrigated and grazing.

1004
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,600
And changes in statue.

1005
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,560
That affects smaller and larger counties differently.

1006
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:34,290
The treasurer's office.

1007
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:37,410
Is a constitutional officer.

1008
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,000
And serves as New Mexico's chief banker and investment officer.

1009
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,920
This office is responsible for the receipt.

1010
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,000
Custody, uh.

1011
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,160
And investment services to local governments.

1012
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,480
The Treasurer collects state revenues.

1013
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Manages cat state cash flows.

1014
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,520
Invest state funds. Disperse public monies.

1015
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,410
And administer certain public programs.

1016
01:00:01,250 --> 01:00:04,690
We are currently working with New Mexico counties.

1017
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,000
Our affiliate and the Department of Finance.

1018
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:13,280
To clarify and ensure that the rightful department for calculating the tax rates.

1019
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:14,200
Has.

1020
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,600
Always been.

1021
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,440
And should remain.

1022
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,840
And continue to be.

1023
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,240
The New Mexico Department of Finance.

1024
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,200
It is very important for you to know the process.

1025
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:26,800
How it affects you?

1026
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,520
And why and who?

1027
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Is in charge of how everything is applied.

1028
01:00:32,590 --> 01:00:34,230
We are here for the public.

1029
01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:38,940
And invite you to come into our office at anytime if you have any questions.

1030
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,520
Just remember.

1031
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,960
Economic development and growth are very important.

1032
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,920
Because.

1033
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,160
When you have an increase in value.

1034
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Your track tax rates.

1035
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,840
Will most likely stay the same or drop.

1036
01:00:53,590 --> 01:00:55,350
But if you don't have enough.

1037
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,600
Value to manage your budgets.

1038
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,440
And all of the services, then your tax rates will go up.

1039
01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:06,840
The assessor's office.

1040
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:09,110
There are different roles that are maintained.

1041
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:15,070
Our county office service specialists are the first ones you see when you come into our office.

1042
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:19,390
Our appraisal department, who works in the field and in the office.

1043
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:22,190
Are the ones who work up all the value for the county.

1044
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:24,390
City and Columbus.

1045
01:01:24,830 --> 01:01:28,430
Our GIS department who maintains our map with ownership.

1046
01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:30,670
Verifies.

1047
01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:34,630
Adds any new subdivisions and reports to property tax division.

1048
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:42,190
And our administration, myself and my chief deputy who oversee the individual departments within our office.

1049
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:45,750
Submit all yearly reports to Property Tax Division.

1050
01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:48,190
Collaborate with our affiliate.

1051
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:53,830
And other assessors around the state as well as administration in our local town.

1052
01:01:57,340 --> 01:02:01,600
To ensure that all value is a current and correct market value.

1053
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,260
Within our office, there are many other duties that go along with those departments. As I mentioned, we're all here to do our very

1054
01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:09,640
best for you.

1055
01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:13,910
Our department is busy winding down for the end of the year.

1056
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:15,990
Completing our abstract.

1057
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:19,710
The last report for the year to property tax Division.

1058
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:22,830
Where we certify our values to the Treasurer's office.

1059
01:02:22,990 --> 01:02:24,950
For their collection of taxes.

1060
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,230
That we are due by October 1st to do this.

1061
01:02:30,290 --> 01:02:35,200
We will be getting our new livestock values and closing out the year in the upcoming months.

1062
01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:37,430
Our office is in full swing.

1063
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:39,630
Completing daily work.

1064
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:43,030
Working on deeds in the field, updating our maps.

1065
01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:46,590
And helping our customers in the office, on the phone and e-mail.

1066
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:51,400
This is all I have for this month and I will stand for any questions.

1067
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:59,630
I've got a point I want to make. You made a very valid point and I'm not sure people understood what you said.

1068
01:03:00,030 --> 01:03:01,910
We nobody is looking forward to.

1069
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:03,950
Paying high taxes in the future.

1070
01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:08,830
But here's what happens so that you all kind of keep this in mind.

1071
01:03:09,070 --> 01:03:13,360
The cost of running the government continues to grow every year we have.

1072
01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:16,830
Health care costs. Maintenance costs.

1073
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:19,150
All the things that go into running the county.

1074
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:23,190
So the property values can be increased every year.

1075
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:26,230
To meet the needs of the county.

1076
01:03:26,350 --> 01:03:33,190
And that's why economic development is so critically important. If we stay the same size and we're not able to grow.

1077
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:36,150
Your tax bill will increase.

1078
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:41,630
If we're able to increase the population, the business and the number of property owners that we have.

1079
01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:45,830
That tax load is spread among a larger group of people.

1080
01:03:46,610 --> 01:03:48,890
So thank you, Michelle. I appreciate you making that.

1081
01:03:49,110 --> 01:03:49,870
Can you give some?

1082
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:56,950
Very quickly, where is that legislation at this point as far as shifting the duties from DFA to?

1083
01:03:57,310 --> 01:04:01,750
The local counties, we are setting up meetings and we are discussing it.

1084
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:07,670
We do have a meeting with one of our local representatives on Monday, the Treasurer and I.

1085
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:08,990
So.

1086
01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:10,750
Hopefully.

1087
01:04:11,470 --> 01:04:13,710
We will be able to get this cleared up.

1088
01:04:14,110 --> 01:04:19,510
And taking care of before, I imagine there's a lot of pushback and there should be. And and we really don't really know where it

1089
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:24,910
came from because it's always been Department of Finance.

1090
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:25,790
So.

1091
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:28,230
That's another question that we have.

1092
01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:31,070
Great. Thank you. Any comments, Commissioners?

1093
01:04:31,930 --> 01:04:33,200
Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, Michelle.

1094
01:04:33,550 --> 01:04:35,750
All right. Moving forward we have.

1095
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:37,270
The clerk's office.

1096
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:40,990
And Barb, I'm going to allow you to.

1097
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:44,550
Implement your suggestion and take a little bit of your time.

1098
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:49,830
You sent me a note about a moment of silence for 911 and since you brought that up, I think a very appropriate that you asked for

1099
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:53,910
that, please.

1100
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:54,750
Well, thank you.

1101
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:56,910
Good afternoon.

1102
01:04:57,110 --> 01:04:58,270
County Manager.

1103
01:04:58,350 --> 01:04:59,190
Bryce. Bryce.

1104
01:05:00,150 --> 01:05:03,550
Commissioners and Chair Harvey and members of the community.

1105
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:09,470
First, before I do that, I would like to give a little bit of an update on our office has been getting very.

1106
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:12,350
Busy getting ready for the election?

1107
01:05:12,550 --> 01:05:18,040
On which is on November 3rd, what I handed out to you and I had brought from members of the community.

1108
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:20,470
Is the general election timeline.

1109
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:26,150
So I'm not going to go through the whole thing if everybody wants it. We have a copy here for you to take.

1110
01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:28,270
And the first.

1111
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:32,550
Important date is going to be Tuesday, October the 6th.

1112
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:37,350
Is when the early voting starts that will be taking place here at the.

1113
01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:39,470
In our office here at the.

1114
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:41,430
Clerk's Office.

1115
01:05:42,310 --> 01:05:43,030
So.

1116
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:47,130
I feel it's appropriate.

1117
01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:49,670
That since tomorrow is 9/11.

1118
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:50,750
That we would.

1119
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:52,470
Be kind enough to have a.

1120
01:05:53,110 --> 01:05:54,270
Moment of silence.

1121
01:05:55,030 --> 01:05:57,750
So if we could all stand for a moment of silence.

1122
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:16,870
Thank you.

1123
01:06:16,990 --> 01:06:17,630
Thank you.

1124
01:06:19,390 --> 01:06:22,830
Thank you. I stand for any questions if anyone had any questions.

1125
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:26,200
If not, thank you. I have known. Thank you, ma'am.

1126
01:06:29,860 --> 01:06:32,260
All right, the next on our list is the probate job.

1127
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,040
And we already.

1128
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:38,070
Going to Passover that.

1129
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:40,390
Christy, our treasurer, please.

1130
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:42,200
Nothing.

1131
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:44,000
All right. Thank you so much.

1132
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:45,830
We have our Sheriff's Department.

1133
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:49,950
We have nobody from our Sheriff's Department.

1134
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,400
That's very sad considering.

1135
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:55,270
This.

1136
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:59,550
Considering our high crime rate.

1137
01:07:00,030 --> 01:07:03,600
Our lack of ability to fill the jobs that we have here.

1138
01:07:04,110 --> 01:07:05,590
And a continued.

1139
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:11,190
A continued lack of communication between our Sheriff's Office.

1140
01:07:11,550 --> 01:07:14,790
And our Commissioners, or at least this Commissioner.

1141
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:16,870
So I think that's sad.

1142
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:19,720
Chelsea, are you going to talk about?

1143
01:07:21,110 --> 01:07:24,590
The number of vacancies or where we are on trying to fill things.

1144
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:26,870
Sure, I can't. I can't give an official report.

1145
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:28,390
For the Sheriff's Office, but.

1146
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:30,590
For staffing I can, which I know is important.

1147
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:36,070
So there are currently 7 vacancies within the Sheriff's Office. Three of those are rank, which are corporal.

1148
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:38,750
And for our deputy positions?

1149
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:44,200
We do have a new hire that accepted a position that would be starting on Monday.

1150
01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:46,430
He is a certified applicant.

1151
01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:53,600
As far as posting, we had a position closed or sorry a posting closed last night.

1152
01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:58,870
There are 4 applicants in there, so we'll be starting the hiring process for that.

1153
01:07:59,630 --> 01:08:02,710
And then we currently have two applicants in the process.

1154
01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:08,210
Thank you. You sound like you're out of breath. There's a big event coming very soon, right?

1155
01:08:08,550 --> 01:08:10,950
Thank you. Do you have any questions?

1156
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:13,510
No, I have none. Thank you, Chelsea.

1157
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,240
All right, Commissioners, who would like to start first?

1158
01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:22,200
Right. Sure, sure. Go ahead.

1159
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:26,070
And typically don't do that, but I have a couple things on my mind.

1160
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:27,390
I'll try to be.

1161
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:29,270
I'll try to be brief because I know.

1162
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:30,270
We've been here.

1163
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:34,070
A while there's a couple things that I need to say.

1164
01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:35,190
In terms of.

1165
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:37,110
Clearing the air, if you will.

1166
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:38,710
And.

1167
01:08:38,830 --> 01:08:40,190
The first one is that.

1168
01:08:41,830 --> 01:08:42,790
I know many of you.

1169
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:44,630
Weren't here for last.

1170
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:48,590
Month's meeting, but during Commissioner Chandler's.

1171
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:51,320
Opportunity to speak to us.

1172
01:08:52,270 --> 01:08:54,550
I know the county manager wasn't in.

1173
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:58,040
In the office that day either as well, but.

1174
01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:02,550
I was subjected and the public.

1175
01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:04,510
Many of you were subjected to a film.

1176
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:06,270
That was played.

1177
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:10,910
And it was. It was from front lines and I think it was called.

1178
01:09:12,990 --> 01:09:14,870
The car Something to do with cartel?

1179
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:18,430
And I just have a few things.

1180
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:20,150
That I want to say about that.

1181
01:09:22,830 --> 01:09:24,630
Because I I wasn't prepared for that.

1182
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:29,950
And there was a lot of serious accusations.

1183
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:32,750
That Commissioner Chandler made.

1184
01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:36,760
Without any evidence.

1185
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:39,480
There were things like.

1186
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:43,350
And I think that and a lot of it was targeted towards the community.

1187
01:09:44,230 --> 01:09:46,630
One of the things that was said was that.

1188
01:09:49,190 --> 01:09:52,190
The car the cartel have taken over the cattle industry.

1189
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,200
The other thing was.

1190
01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:57,470
That.

1191
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,120
Many of our.

1192
01:10:01,860 --> 01:10:03,800
Storefronts in our community.

1193
01:10:04,730 --> 01:10:05,930
Are not legit.

1194
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,360
Referencing.

1195
01:10:09,070 --> 01:10:11,150
That they're laundering money.

1196
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,280
Through these stores.

1197
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:17,360
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1198
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:18,430
Commissioner, but.

1199
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:20,350
That's what was said on this video.

1200
01:10:21,580 --> 01:10:23,720
And I can go on and on.

1201
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:26,870
Right here, the Commissioner stood in front of this.

1202
01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:29,160
Chamber outside.

1203
01:10:31,220 --> 01:10:33,240
And use the words dirty money.

1204
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,760
Blood money.

1205
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:39,840
There was some connection.

1206
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:42,590
With trucks coming through Mexican port of entry.

1207
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:46,420
That we were unaware of.

1208
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:48,750
I don't know if that speaks.

1209
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,960
Very well.

1210
01:10:51,550 --> 01:10:53,030
Our Mexican partners.

1211
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:55,510
On the other side of the border, who?

1212
01:10:56,230 --> 01:10:58,230
I remember working on that port.

1213
01:10:59,010 --> 01:11:00,400
When I was with the schools.

1214
01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:03,310
And they have a very sophisticated port of entry.

1215
01:11:03,550 --> 01:11:04,670
On both sides.

1216
01:11:05,190 --> 01:11:08,390
So how these trucks were getting across full of produce?

1217
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:10,430
And coming up here.

1218
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:12,760
And doing some.

1219
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:15,230
Transaction that is illegal.

1220
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:17,610
And her words.

1221
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:21,550
I fully believe that.

1222
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:25,360
If that is the case, then there should be evidence.

1223
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:29,880
And currently is there an investigation, I mean you're.

1224
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:32,910
Your husband was just here. He's a judge.

1225
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:35,070
He was also making comment about.

1226
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:36,550
That very thing.

1227
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:39,350
They're going to come and take their kids, our kids.

1228
01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:41,370
And.

1229
01:11:44,530 --> 01:11:46,280
I I guess my last question is.

1230
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,680
You know corporate America has taken over.

1231
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:52,340
Big Walmart.

1232
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,200
That's no secret.

1233
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:56,230
Amazon, uh.

1234
01:11:57,430 --> 01:12:00,630
My father had a business in this community for 50 years.

1235
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:03,670
You know how he commun, how he competed.

1236
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,480
By hustle, he stayed in business 50 years.

1237
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,080
He wasn't on any film crying about corporate America taking over.

1238
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:14,630
It's competition.

1239
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,360
And that's not what I heard.

1240
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:20,910
I heard it was people doing illegal acts.

1241
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:23,350
Because there's no opportunity.

1242
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:24,830
To human smuggle.

1243
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:27,030
And drug smuggle anymore.

1244
01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:29,870
So they're buying up cattle ranches and farms.

1245
01:12:33,740 --> 01:12:36,040
So that's all I've got to say about that.

1246
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,640
The second thing I have.

1247
01:12:51,170 --> 01:12:51,890
Is.

1248
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,520
Goes back to.

1249
01:12:55,670 --> 01:12:56,870
An action item.

1250
01:12:57,070 --> 01:12:58,630
That we all voted on.

1251
01:13:00,190 --> 01:13:01,190
And clearly.

1252
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,600
Madam Chair, you asked each of us if we had anything.

1253
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:08,750
That we needed to say or abstain from a vote.

1254
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:10,520
Because that's what we do.

1255
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:15,400
And my Co commissioner.

1256
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,400
Did not say that she needed to abstain from a vote.

1257
01:13:21,730 --> 01:13:24,320
And it had to do with Wesley Brothers.

1258
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:27,630
Film company coming into our community.

1259
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:35,240
And I have invoices right here.

1260
01:13:36,090 --> 01:13:38,240
To the tune of thousands of dollars.

1261
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:39,270
Let me back up.

1262
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:40,790
This company.

1263
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:43,230
We gave them.

1264
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:46,190
We, you, the community.

1265
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:47,990
Via tax dollars.

1266
01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:49,350
Through a leader grant.

1267
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:52,630
We gave them money to start up a business.

1268
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,160
I'm all for that.

1269
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:59,230
However, I did not know.

1270
01:13:59,950 --> 01:14:02,390
What this organization was really about.

1271
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:03,670
And that's on me.

1272
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:05,310
I should have done the research.

1273
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:07,200
But here we are.

1274
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:10,400
Did not abstain from the vote.

1275
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:12,120
But yet.

1276
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:14,470
And you've seen these invoices as well?

1277
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:17,520
There's invoices here.

1278
01:14:18,190 --> 01:14:20,150
Of goods that are being delivered.

1279
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:22,040
To her home.

1280
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,600
To the tune of thousands of dollars.

1281
01:14:32,490 --> 01:14:35,160
My understanding is the Wesley brothers are staying.

1282
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:36,550
Currently in.

1283
01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:37,750
Cherubanka.

1284
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:38,910
At the ranch.

1285
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:39,390
No.

1286
01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:40,800
That's not true.

1287
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:43,960
Did you take a trip to Tennessee?

1288
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:45,630
To visit with these folks.

1289
01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:50,090
OK.

1290
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:52,760
Your speakers, Commissioner.

1291
01:14:54,930 --> 01:14:56,080
So I just have a.

1292
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:59,350
A couple questions. Your name was on the invoice.

1293
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,400
Your son's names are on voices the shipping of all these products.

1294
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:07,030
Are currently to your home.

1295
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:15,000
And they just purchased a property on Burr.

1296
01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:16,710
Rd. SE.

1297
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:19,470
Please tell me you didn't have anything to do with that.

1298
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:21,070
That was not your property.

1299
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:21,830
OK.

1300
01:15:23,790 --> 01:15:24,190
So.

1301
01:15:26,150 --> 01:15:27,070
Madam Chair.

1302
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:28,470
I just feel like.

1303
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,720
Commissioner Chandler should have abstained.

1304
01:15:32,610 --> 01:15:33,960
To be transparent.

1305
01:15:34,230 --> 01:15:36,710
The vote would have probably went the same way.

1306
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:38,750
But she chose not to.

1307
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:40,190
And I have a problem.

1308
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:42,920
And that's all I've got to say.

1309
01:15:43,650 --> 01:15:45,840
Thank you for your expression, Chair Chandler.

1310
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:47,790
Do you like to rebuttal that?

1311
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:50,470
Sure, in response to.

1312
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:53,030
Commissioner who's?

1313
01:15:54,030 --> 01:15:55,710
Apparently accusations.

1314
01:15:55,950 --> 01:15:58,350
So abstaining from the vote.

1315
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:00,980
It was a third party.

1316
01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:03,870
Comment to me that.

1317
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:09,150
These people and I found out that they purchased property just like everybody else did on social media.

1318
01:16:09,550 --> 01:16:10,990
Same time, same way.

1319
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:17,160
And a third party said they're having trouble finding a place to have.

1320
01:16:18,230 --> 01:16:24,430
The purchases sent to that would be safe because they bought barren property and didn't even have an address assigned to it yet.

1321
01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:26,470
And I said to that third party.

1322
01:16:26,910 --> 01:16:28,110
My place is safe, I don't.

1323
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:30,990
Doesn't matter to me if mail comes there.

1324
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:35,430
And so I never ever, ever talked to them at all.

1325
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:37,350
A third party.

1326
01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:39,590
Said that they had arranged.

1327
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:41,790
A place to have mail sent.

1328
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:45,670
The Wesley brothers contacted my son.

1329
01:16:45,790 --> 01:16:49,630
And I have the text and the date and I have everything that shows it right here.

1330
01:16:49,870 --> 01:16:52,190
And they said, is it still OK if we have?

1331
01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:55,720
Search certain mail sent there.

1332
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:57,470
And my son said.

1333
01:16:57,550 --> 01:16:58,630
Sure, that's fine.

1334
01:16:58,790 --> 01:17:00,710
Because we had a barn to protect.

1335
01:17:01,390 --> 01:17:02,350
From the weather.

1336
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:04,190
The kinds of things that were being sent.

1337
01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:07,590
I have not a clue one what in the world was sent not.

1338
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:08,790
Any idea at all?

1339
01:17:09,150 --> 01:17:11,590
It never ever occurred to me.

1340
01:17:11,950 --> 01:17:13,550
The extending and kindness.

1341
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:16,630
Would result in an ethics violation.

1342
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:19,070
It never occurred to me at all.

1343
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:21,030
That receiving mail.

1344
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:23,390
Through a third party.

1345
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:26,230
Just saying that yeah, they can dump it off there.

1346
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:28,910
That never occurred to me so.

1347
01:17:29,230 --> 01:17:31,470
Apparently that was a wrong.

1348
01:17:31,670 --> 01:17:32,910
I should have known that.

1349
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:34,710
I did not know that.

1350
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:38,870
I didn't know that receiving mail for somebody would be an ethics violation.

1351
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:40,790
Had no clue whatsoever.

1352
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:42,590
And so that was why.

1353
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:44,310
It did not occur to me.

1354
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:47,470
To have to abstain because I have absolutely no connection to them.

1355
01:17:47,670 --> 01:17:49,350
Everyone was invited.

1356
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:50,910
To that red carpet premiere.

1357
01:17:51,310 --> 01:17:52,070
Everyone.

1358
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:53,830
All the leadership.

1359
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:56,070
All the community, everyone.

1360
01:17:56,430 --> 01:17:58,830
I decided to go on my own dime.

1361
01:17:58,990 --> 01:18:04,510
To see if it would be a good fit, if they would be the kind of people and they produce the type of level.

1362
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:08,550
Of film that we would want to have in our community.

1363
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:09,710
That was it.

1364
01:18:10,030 --> 01:18:12,190
I went there as an investigation.

1365
01:18:12,710 --> 01:18:13,430
Period.

1366
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:14,190
That was all.

1367
01:18:14,710 --> 01:18:16,990
And so to answer your question.

1368
01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:19,190
That is what transpired.

1369
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:20,990
And I'm sorry that.

1370
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:27,670
And it didn't have seen from the vote because I did not put those two together. I had no idea.

1371
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:33,150
That, like I said, extending kindness would result in an ethics violation of some sort.

1372
01:18:33,670 --> 01:18:36,270
Had not a clue one I was not involved with them.

1373
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:37,870
In any way, shape or form.

1374
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:38,710
Personally, umm.

1375
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:39,870
Nothing.

1376
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:43,510
And then on your other accusation.

1377
01:18:43,670 --> 01:18:45,430
The TPUSA film.

1378
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:48,600
As I stated during that.

1379
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:50,360
Particular meeting.

1380
01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:51,430
Was just.

1381
01:18:51,550 --> 01:18:54,470
Brought to draw attention to what was happening, so I had.

1382
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:56,390
Several constituents.

1383
01:18:56,950 --> 01:19:01,510
Approach me and say this is happening in our community, this is happening to us.

1384
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:03,110
Can you help us?

1385
01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:04,510
They were afraid.

1386
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:06,190
And they had.

1387
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,480
Certain things happening that they were not comfortable with at all.

1388
01:19:11,070 --> 01:19:12,710
Nothing about that film.

1389
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:13,830
Is making.

1390
01:19:14,430 --> 01:19:15,830
Accusations against.

1391
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:18,390
People in particular of a certain type.

1392
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:21,070
If you've been involved with any kind of.

1393
01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:23,710
Of gang long term.

1394
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:25,310
You understand that that is.

1395
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:27,630
All kinds of people involved in that.

1396
01:19:27,790 --> 01:19:29,390
It's not just one kind.

1397
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:30,790
So it's not saying.

1398
01:19:30,910 --> 01:19:31,830
Oh well.

1399
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:33,430
Just because it's coming.

1400
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:35,830
From a neighboring country to us.

1401
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:37,670
That they are.

1402
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:39,270
The perpetrators.

1403
01:19:39,550 --> 01:19:40,870
We're not saying that at all.

1404
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:46,110
We're just saying that that whole group of people, whoever they are, wherever they're from.

1405
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:51,990
It's coming here and affecting our community because community members came forward and said.

1406
01:19:52,270 --> 01:19:53,750
This is an issue.

1407
01:19:53,950 --> 01:19:55,790
Please help us if you can.

1408
01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:57,960
That's all it was for.

1409
01:19:58,550 --> 01:20:00,120
That particular.

1410
01:20:01,570 --> 01:20:07,450
That particular issue is long term and ongoing has been if you go back and look at the records.

1411
01:20:07,710 --> 01:20:08,830
You'll see that there are.

1412
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:11,430
Several years of administrations.

1413
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:14,190
That tried to deal with that particular issue.

1414
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,160
How they're going about doing things and doing business.

1415
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:21,230
That's them. They are business people.

1416
01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:24,600
And so they figure out ways to do business.

1417
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:26,590
That's all I know about that.

1418
01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:31,200
Is there anything else I'm supposed to address on that? Well, since you're asking.

1419
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,040
I you stood out here.

1420
01:20:36,430 --> 01:20:37,630
In front of the courthouse.

1421
01:20:37,710 --> 01:20:39,030
And said that.

1422
01:20:39,390 --> 01:20:40,630
These storefronts.

1423
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:42,830
Are not legit.

1424
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:44,150
Did you not?

1425
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:51,950
I didn't say storefronts or buildings in town, whatever. What I said was that trucks came across.

1426
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:56,510
And you might want to go review the film because I've seen it like 20 times.

1427
01:20:57,070 --> 01:21:01,270
I will tell you that what you said is you were making accusations that with no.

1428
01:21:01,670 --> 01:21:02,470
Evidence.

1429
01:21:03,550 --> 01:21:04,390
And.

1430
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:06,710
You're still saying?

1431
01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:09,190
That there's illegal things going on.

1432
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:11,310
Because people came to you because they heard.

1433
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:15,790
Foresaw. But why didn't you refer them to the law, to our law enforcement?

1434
01:21:17,980 --> 01:21:20,320
People have didn't come to and say.

1435
01:21:21,490 --> 01:21:22,530
You need to ask.

1436
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,440
That's why they don't come to you.

1437
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,840
Local business owners.

1438
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,520
And this is probably a discussion. It needs to take place.

1439
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,240
Not in the public setting between you and I if you want to.

1440
01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,050
My dad owned a business in town.

1441
01:21:39,970 --> 01:21:41,570
Now he was a really good man.

1442
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:43,360
Well, I.

1443
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:45,000
I'm guessing.

1444
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,040
If I'd have seen that video.

1445
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:48,600
I might have wondered.

1446
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:50,880
Why?

1447
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,720
Well, you made a general statement that.

1448
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,480
There's a lot of.

1449
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,360
Businesses in town that are laundering money.

1450
01:21:59,430 --> 01:22:02,910
I did not make a general statement. There are a lot of businesses in town.

1451
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:08,080
And there's actually people who have come forward and said, I know this is actually truly happening.

1452
01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:10,990
Point made I I'm.

1453
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,680
I'm done with this conversation, but if you get a chance you should look at that.

1454
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:15,680
Video uh.

1455
01:22:16,420 --> 01:22:17,140
It's a.

1456
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:18,920
From front lines.

1457
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,520
It's on YouTube.

1458
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:27,570
Thank you. Thank you, Ray. I appreciate your comments.

1459
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,610
Commissioner Chandler, do you have anything further?

1460
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,640
Just that.

1461
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,560
Aside from all the regular meetings.

1462
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,160
And attending the Fair Cash party.

1463
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,880
Went to the Flint Ranch Institute for Living open house, was invited to that.

1464
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,120
And it's a recovery place for law enforcement and EMS.

1465
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,040
To go.

1466
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,800
When they're dealing with traumas and.

1467
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,960
They can go and get help there that they need.

1468
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,770
So that was incredibly interesting and exciting to have them be a part of our community.

1469
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,280
And we also attended the duck races.

1470
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,000
And we're participants in the parade.

1471
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,880
And then we also have coming up.

1472
01:23:11,630 --> 01:23:15,810
Everyone is invited. I was just handed this at the beginning of this meeting.

1473
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,960
It will come out on social media and be sent to.

1474
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,200
Some individuals.

1475
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,360
But it's the homelessness.

1476
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:27,960
Forum that's taking place on September 29th at 6:00 PM.

1477
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,720
At the Members Valley Event Center.

1478
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:37,840
And I'll just read this real quick. It's an opportunity for the public to become informed of state.

1479
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,240
Local laws.

1480
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,080
Statutes and what services are available.

1481
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,720
And how we can all work together to minimize the impact our community is experiencing.

1482
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,520
So please come.

1483
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,040
Participate and share your constructive ideas.

1484
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,320
Of how to achieve a community goal.

1485
01:23:58,190 --> 01:23:59,410
And that would be it.

1486
01:24:00,130 --> 01:24:01,450
Thank you, Commissioners.

1487
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:08,360
I've been going to my report everybody. First thing is workforce development, CDL and electrical training.

1488
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,480
Continue working with the staff at our members, Valley Learning Center and Workforce.

1489
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,000
Workforce partners to extend training opportunities.

1490
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,600
As we work through provider qualifications and final.

1491
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:25,440
Arrangements with TDI TDs, LLC operated by Alejandro and Monica Ojeda.

1492
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:30,440
We are tentatively planning a CDL class with a new provider sometime in October.

1493
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,040
I continue working with Gentry Roberts.

1494
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,040
Of the New Mexico.

1495
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,280
IEC, which is the independent electrical contractors.

1496
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:45,680
Association to bring an introductory electrical certification and pre apprenticeship training.

1497
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,480
To the Learning Center, along with the potential to expand that into a broader full apprenticeship program.

1498
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:59,280
Manny and Tony have also set up a new English GED program beginning September the 14th at 5:30.

1499
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,000
They've also arranged for a.

1500
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:10,360
A driver Ed training class, and they have a citizenship program that they're also preparing to.

1501
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,360
Complete.

1502
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,360
On the brackish water feasibility and strategic water supply, I continue participation with the County staff, City of Damming, WSP

1503
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,480
Engineering.

1504
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,400
As we work on applications to the New Mexico Strategic Water Supply Program.

1505
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,880
Administered by the New Mexico Department.

1506
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,840
Environmental Department and the Office of State Engineer.

1507
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:38,600
We are pursuing funding for a feasibility study and a second application for the drilling and development.

1508
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,960
Of Wells.

1509
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:44,120
Needed to characterize and to advance the project.

1510
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:49,280
The reason this project is so important is that.

1511
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,560
There we're in a portion of an.

1512
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:57,610
Our basin is in a critical water management area.

1513
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,400
And we are examining the possibility as well as the feasibility.

1514
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,640
To drill for brackish water.

1515
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:11,220
Many of you may know that El Paso's Kay Bailey Hutchinson Desalina Tion Plant has been in operation for many years, actually since

1516
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:16,640
2007.

1517
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:21,920
And it can produce up to 27.5 million gallons of fresh water a day.

1518
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:27,720
There's expansion of that project underway to bring it up to 35.5 million gallons a day.

1519
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,760
And this is an established technology.

1520
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:39,480
We are in in a time when we are looking definitely to the future about the availability of water.

1521
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,080
How we can conserve water? How we can find new sources of it?

1522
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:49,280
There is the technology to create water literally out of thin air and it's basically a humidifier.

1523
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:52,920
To build a large scale 1 takes a great deal of energy.

1524
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,120
Conservation is important.

1525
01:26:55,240 --> 01:27:00,840
As well as exploring new ways to find existing water that can be desalinated.

1526
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:06,000
The Board of Construction and Groundwater Protection I continue working with US Customs and Border Protection regarding

1527
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,480
groundwater use associated with.

1528
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,280
Border construction in southern Luna County.

1529
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,040
And my August the 23rd follow up letter to Paul Enriquez, who is the.

1530
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,880
CBP's infrastructure portfolio Infrastructure.

1531
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,760
Portfolio Director.

1532
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,220
I documented our discussions in which CBP indicated that certain wells would be plugged, that additional drilling in the well in

1533
01:27:28,220 --> 01:27:32,600
the area would cease.

1534
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:38,400
And that existing lawful local water sources would be pursued for construction needs.

1535
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:41,240
Rather than drilling wells.

1536
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,480
I also formally requested.

1537
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,360
Continued advance coordination with Luna County and the Office of the State Engineer before any future well drilling or

1538
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:51,080
significant ground.

1539
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,120
Water withdrew, withdrawals took place.

1540
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,960
Following that, the state of New Mexico sued the federal government and the well.

1541
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,240
Operators.

1542
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,240
And that's.

1543
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:05,240
In play now. We'll see where that legislation goes or the suit goes.

1544
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,720
The governor's economic development conference. That's my next item.

1545
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:19,780
Chris and I attended the Governor's economic development and.

1546
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,760
Economic Development Conference in Albuquerque last week.

1547
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:29,465
And I was asked to participate as a speaker on broadband as Everybody's business panel. I drew on Luna County's experience to

1548
01:28:29,465 --> 01:28:35,010
emphasize broadband, its economic development, infrastructure.

1549
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,200
And its importance keeping rural and border.

1550
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:44,080
Communities connected and included in statewide economic development discussions.

1551
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:49,000
Flint Ranch, economic development or excuse me, Flint Ranch. Well, that is economic development. I don't know if you're still

1552
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,600
here, Chris. I do see you back there.

1553
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,640
Unfortunately, you are not signed up during our public discussion period. If there's anybody following this that would like to

1554
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,480
talk to this gentleman about an endeavor he has underway.

1555
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,480
If you'd raise your hand, Chris, and let people know you're here.

1556
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,600
I would ask you to talk with him. He's got a large product.

1557
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:13,450
OK. Thank you, Sir.

1558
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:23,870
All right, solar wind and data-driven.

1559
01:29:25,290 --> 01:29:30,330
Center planning, regional monitoring Last month, the Commission approved a tentative planning approach.

1560
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:36,920
That our planning department, Lupita and our County Attorney are very involved, along with Chris Bryce, our manager.

1561
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:38,400
To develop.

1562
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:44,760
A protocol going forward as we receive requests in regard to data centers.

1563
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,280
As well as continuing work on solar.

1564
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:52,360
These are energy projects that come to us at certain times and like many of you.

1565
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,400
All of you, I would imagine.

1566
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,200
The protocol that gets developed is being done so that.

1567
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:06,650
All economic development opportunities can be examined appropriately and that we have necessary safeguards that protect water.

1568
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,800
And energy.

1569
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,360
We're very cognizant of.

1570
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,400
Discussions that are ongoing in this state and across the nation.

1571
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,600
So I want to assure you that safeguards are actually being put in place.

1572
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:25,440
That look after your interest and there will not be decisions made that you are not aware of or involved in.

1573
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:36,890
I'm also closely monitoring developments regarding the proposed site Layer One data center.

1574
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:42,040
On the Herd Cattle Company ranch in southern Grant County, near Hachita and Playas.

1575
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:47,970
Although the project is outside of Luna County, its potential demands for groundwater power and infrastructure.

1576
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,000
Could have regional effects.

1577
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:56,010
And I'm watching the water issue. Especially close because the Cheetah Basin extends into Luna County.

1578
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:03,360
Grant County is also considering a one year moratorium on data center development while it evaluates those issues.

1579
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:07,880
My goal is to keep Luna County informed and in a very strong position.

1580
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,400
To consider appropriate investments while ensuring, as I said a moment ago.

1581
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,120
That, uh.

1582
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:18,160
The interest of our residents, water supplies and electrical. Excuse me, electrical.

1583
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:24,680
It's easy for me to say Electrical reliability and long-term economic interest.

1584
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,360
Are fully considered.

1585
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:27,800
Village of Columbus.

1586
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,000
Public safety coordination.

1587
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:35,610
I, along with Chris and others, participated in the August 31st interagency meeting.

1588
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,480
Regarding law enforcement services for the Village of Columbus State.

1589
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,240
County, municipal and local offices.

1590
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:49,560
Discussed public safety needs, available resources, and all possible partnerships that may be available.

1591
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,600
To help establish a reliable and sustainable.

1592
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,280
Law enforcement president, Precedents in the community.

1593
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:57,080
I want.

1594
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,600
Everybody to keep in mind that the village of Columbus.

1595
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,250
Is its own entity. It is while it's within the county.

1596
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:10,240
It's like the city, it has its own infrastructure, it has its own responsibilities.

1597
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:15,800
And everything that happens in Columbus is not a responsibility of this county.

1598
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,560
They are incorporated.

1599
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,040
They gather taxes from their people.

1600
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,760
It's their obligation to.

1601
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,290
Provide police support to their people.

1602
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,760
The county and the past has worked very closely to try to work with the.

1603
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:35,840
With the village and we will continue to do things that are within our power that leak we can legally do to assist them.

1604
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,160
So though there's major things that I wanted to report on this month.

1605
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:44,680
I'd like to let you know that we are going to go ahead and we are going to take a break.

1606
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,000
So thank you so much. We plan to be back in about, let's say, 10 minutes.

1607
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:49,680
Thank you.

1608
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,830
All right. Will everybody please take your seats?

1609
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,230
Please take your seats.

1610
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:39,110
Thank you. I hope you enjoyed your break. We're going to continue now.

1611
01:45:39,820 --> 01:45:47,030
Our next one is a call for Ordinance Item 8. It's Resolution 2667 called Ordinance 53.

1612
01:45:47,180 --> 01:45:49,660
An ordinance regulating sitting and.

1613
01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:52,700
Permitting of wireless communication.

1614
01:45:52,780 --> 01:45:53,700
Facilities, uh.

1615
01:45:55,690 --> 01:45:58,270
Is there a presentation on anybodies part?

1616
01:45:58,740 --> 01:45:59,420
County.

1617
01:46:00,460 --> 01:46:00,860
Excuse me?

1618
01:46:01,300 --> 01:46:02,660
Online. Thank you.

1619
01:46:02,900 --> 01:46:03,740
Please proceed.

1620
01:46:04,540 --> 01:46:08,300
Thank you, Madam Chair, Commissioners, Mr. County Manager, I'm.

1621
01:46:08,540 --> 01:46:10,580
Dean Williamson, I'm the counties.

1622
01:46:11,180 --> 01:46:15,540
Wireless tower consultant supporting Lupita Hernandez and the.

1623
01:46:15,860 --> 01:46:18,700
Planning department and we've got this ordinance.

1624
01:46:19,700 --> 01:46:21,980
That is change 2.

1625
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:24,420
And this is intended as a.

1626
01:46:25,460 --> 01:46:27,060
Repeal and replace.

1627
01:46:28,180 --> 01:46:32,900
And one of the comments you had earlier, this directly relates to that.

1628
01:46:33,340 --> 01:46:34,740
That was the.

1629
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:40,660
Package for the wireless tower from Western New Mexico Communication.

1630
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:47,340
We did receive that package and it followed the ordinance.

1631
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:50,900
But it pointed out some things that we.

1632
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:55,900
Could change to better support and protect the land owners in the county.

1633
01:46:56,340 --> 01:47:00,860
And that's really the genesis of changing this in addition to some.

1634
01:47:01,580 --> 01:47:05,660
Some routine changes that we like to do every two or three years to keep up with.

1635
01:47:06,220 --> 01:47:07,820
Telecommunication laws so.

1636
01:47:08,260 --> 01:47:12,140
What I'd like to do is just point out a few highlights.

1637
01:47:12,540 --> 01:47:14,020
Specifically that.

1638
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:17,300
Are the substantive changes to the ordinance?

1639
01:47:18,980 --> 01:47:21,260
And take questions after that.

1640
01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:23,500
And the first, the first.

1641
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:26,660
Probably most important changes on page 2.

1642
01:47:27,340 --> 01:47:31,260
Where we're defining what legal access means to.

1643
01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:36,260
These these applications and it's an addition.

1644
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:39,710
To what the ordinance currently requires, which is.

1645
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:42,900
The applicant approved right title or interest.

1646
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,020
To the site itself.

1647
01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:47,060
But it never.

1648
01:47:48,140 --> 01:47:50,260
The the existing ordinance didn't.

1649
01:47:50,900 --> 01:47:52,020
Include what? Uh.

1650
01:47:52,580 --> 01:47:55,140
Legal access they had to that site.

1651
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:59,580
And this came up with that application because the applicant did have.

1652
01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:02,860
A complete application with.

1653
01:48:03,620 --> 01:48:05,780
Interest in the site and an easement.

1654
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:07,900
That was from the 80s.

1655
01:48:08,580 --> 01:48:11,140
But it didn't say how they would access the site.

1656
01:48:11,540 --> 01:48:15,500
And to access the site they would have had to have went went across.

1657
01:48:15,860 --> 01:48:19,340
The land owners property which they didn't agree to so.

1658
01:48:20,060 --> 01:48:24,300
In response to that, we've added this this definition for legal access.

1659
01:48:25,020 --> 01:48:28,900
And later on in the ordinance, we define exactly what they'd have to.

1660
01:48:29,380 --> 01:48:31,670
They have to provide in the application.

1661
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:33,900
And again, we think this just.

1662
01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:36,660
Helps protect the county land owners.

1663
01:48:37,700 --> 01:48:39,740
More so than the existing ordinance.

1664
01:48:41,620 --> 01:48:43,540
Going on down through it, there were some.

1665
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:47,460
Some some other definitions that were just administrative added.

1666
01:48:47,820 --> 01:48:51,220
We also added a federal land exemption on page 4.

1667
01:48:51,700 --> 01:48:53,980
And this just clarifies that.

1668
01:48:54,980 --> 01:48:59,900
When there is a surface estate that's federally administered BLM land, something like that.

1669
01:49:00,180 --> 01:49:00,700
But it's a.

1670
01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:03,980
Split estate with no federal surface.

1671
01:49:05,340 --> 01:49:07,660
With a non federal surface.

1672
01:49:08,380 --> 01:49:10,580
That it's not exempt from the ordinance, so.

1673
01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:14,540
That applies somewhat in the county because you have so much federal land that.

1674
01:49:14,740 --> 01:49:17,780
Sometimes there'll be a split estate we're dealing them or.

1675
01:49:18,020 --> 01:49:19,860
Or other federal land.

1676
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:22,260
Could also have private land on it.

1677
01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:26,220
And it's a split estate. So this, this just defines that.

1678
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,720
Going on down into.

1679
01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:34,420
Page 7.

1680
01:49:35,380 --> 01:49:38,220
Page 7 is where we specifically get into the.

1681
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:40,860
Legal access and this actually adds.

1682
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:43,580
The requirement that the county is saying OK.

1683
01:49:43,900 --> 01:49:45,220
Applicant you have to.

1684
01:49:45,340 --> 01:49:49,980
Not only prove that you have rights or an easement or a lease on a piece of land.

1685
01:49:50,260 --> 01:49:51,900
But you also have to prove.

1686
01:49:52,300 --> 01:49:54,980
How you get to it from the nearest public right away.

1687
01:49:55,460 --> 01:49:58,580
Or any other instrument or document establishing.

1688
01:49:58,860 --> 01:49:59,580
That route.

1689
01:50:00,060 --> 01:50:02,780
So that is in addition to the to the ordinance.

1690
01:50:03,460 --> 01:50:06,100
The next item is also on that page.

1691
01:50:06,420 --> 01:50:08,340
And it's an addition.

1692
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,670
That the applicant now has to provide.

1693
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:15,300
What we call a mere report. Nie R.

1694
01:50:16,220 --> 01:50:16,980
Which is a.

1695
01:50:17,220 --> 01:50:22,260
Non ionized electronic electronic magnetic radiation report.

1696
01:50:22,620 --> 01:50:23,740
Basically, they have to.

1697
01:50:23,860 --> 01:50:26,860
Prove that they're in compliance. Now the county can't.

1698
01:50:28,580 --> 01:50:29,900
Turn down a permit.

1699
01:50:30,620 --> 01:50:32,300
If they comply with the FCC.

1700
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:35,940
Regulations. This is just saying.

1701
01:50:36,140 --> 01:50:39,940
You have to show us that you comply with the FCC regulations.

1702
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:42,380
So that's in addition to the ordinance.

1703
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:45,300
And it's one more thing that the applicant will have to.

1704
01:50:45,620 --> 01:50:46,420
Have to prove.

1705
01:50:47,420 --> 01:50:51,500
And I will say this is very normal. This this report is very normal for the.

1706
01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:54,660
Verizon's the 18 T's. They produce these whether.

1707
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:56,900
Whether the county wants to see it or not.

1708
01:50:57,180 --> 01:51:00,140
Some of the smaller guys like western New Mexico.

1709
01:51:00,380 --> 01:51:01,140
Might not.

1710
01:51:01,500 --> 01:51:02,260
Always.

1711
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:07,620
Produce this report in the normal course of business, so this would be in addition for them.

1712
01:51:10,150 --> 01:51:11,030
And then the.

1713
01:51:11,860 --> 01:51:15,660
Last thing that I wanted to point out. Well, two more things I wanted to point out.

1714
01:51:17,980 --> 01:51:23,740
The notice list and parcel discrepancies. So this is a change right now. Your ordinance says that.

1715
01:51:24,650 --> 01:51:29,790
Anything within 1500 feet of the tower. Any property owner within 1500 feet of the tower.

1716
01:51:30,140 --> 01:51:34,460
Will be notified and that's that's what happened with this last application was.

1717
01:51:35,260 --> 01:51:38,940
They said OK, we want to build a new tower here. The notifications went out.

1718
01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:41,300
Couple of land owners, one of them.

1719
01:51:41,820 --> 01:51:42,940
Spoke earlier.

1720
01:51:43,060 --> 01:51:44,780
Said no, we don't like that so.

1721
01:51:44,860 --> 01:51:46,260
Your work as intended.

1722
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:51,580
But what the change is, is and what we're recommending is.

1723
01:51:51,940 --> 01:51:53,340
Going from 1500 feet.

1724
01:51:53,660 --> 01:51:54,980
To 150 feet.

1725
01:51:55,580 --> 01:52:01,620
And why we recommend that change is in a county like Luna where your parcels are so big.

1726
01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:06,060
And now obviously there there are some smaller parcels, but.

1727
01:52:06,460 --> 01:52:09,700
The 150 foot notification barrier.

1728
01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:13,140
Says OK, anybody within 150 feet of this parcel.

1729
01:52:13,620 --> 01:52:14,580
Gets notified.

1730
01:52:15,180 --> 01:52:18,340
And what that ensures is that all the adjacent owners.

1731
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:19,260
Next to that.

1732
01:52:19,380 --> 01:52:21,060
Parcel will be notified.

1733
01:52:21,340 --> 01:52:24,620
And not somebody half a mile away who may not even see the.

1734
01:52:25,940 --> 01:52:27,140
Would be notified now.

1735
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:31,220
That's just a recommendation. If you decide to keep it with 1500, that's fine.

1736
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:34,300
You can change it to a mile, 5 miles, whatever you want.

1737
01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:38,900
But right now, the way this is written is the 1500 feet and that's.

1738
01:52:39,340 --> 01:52:42,420
Correction do 150 feet and.

1739
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:44,580
We're also.

1740
01:52:45,740 --> 01:52:46,740
Recommending that.

1741
01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:51,460
In addition, one thing that we found was some of the folks complained.

1742
01:52:51,900 --> 01:52:54,420
A1 week notification wasn't enough for him.

1743
01:52:54,860 --> 01:52:59,430
So there's currently in the ordinance that says you get a no later than 7 days.

1744
01:52:59,780 --> 01:53:02,940
And we're recommending you increase that to 15 days.

1745
01:53:03,380 --> 01:53:05,220
So that's what's written in the.

1746
01:53:06,060 --> 01:53:07,180
In the draft.

1747
01:53:07,940 --> 01:53:13,540
And then finally, the last significant change and it's really just kind of administrative.

1748
01:53:14,620 --> 01:53:19,380
But the current text requires that the applicant and the owner of record.

1749
01:53:20,300 --> 01:53:21,860
Provide a bond of the calendar.

1750
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:25,940
25,000 for a modification, 75,000 for a.

1751
01:53:26,340 --> 01:53:27,100
New tower?

1752
01:53:27,580 --> 01:53:33,860
And the way you can read that is that the landowner has to has to jointly provide this bond.

1753
01:53:34,140 --> 01:53:36,300
With the applicant and that's not the intent.

1754
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:39,340
The intent is just the applicant provide the bond.

1755
01:53:39,660 --> 01:53:43,340
So it's rewritten to be a little more specific there that.

1756
01:53:43,660 --> 01:53:45,580
The bond has to come from the applicant.

1757
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:51,390
And that's the majority of the changes. There's some typos and citation corrections.

1758
01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:53,740
Some other types of things like that, but.

1759
01:53:54,540 --> 01:53:57,340
That's that's the majority of the changes.

1760
01:53:57,820 --> 01:53:59,180
And I stand or.

1761
01:53:59,780 --> 01:54:01,140
We'll sit for questions.

1762
01:54:02,890 --> 01:54:09,150
Thank you, Dean. I appreciate your coming. Just for the sake of our audience and those that may not know, could you please?

1763
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:12,380
Explain the position that WTS has.

1764
01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:16,340
And your involvement with the county, the service that's offered, please?

1765
01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:22,260
Sure, WTS. We assist the county as a wireless tower.

1766
01:54:22,900 --> 01:54:25,140
Both ordinance and application.

1767
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:26,900
Consultant SO.

1768
01:54:27,500 --> 01:54:29,020
We work with.

1769
01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:32,940
Luma County and 11 other counties around the state.

1770
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:37,380
To draft these ordinances that meet the needs of the county.

1771
01:54:37,660 --> 01:54:40,460
And once that's in place as applications come in.

1772
01:54:40,820 --> 01:54:43,380
We process the applications looking for.

1773
01:54:43,620 --> 01:54:45,540
Things like structural analysis.

1774
01:54:45,620 --> 01:54:47,540
Land leases.

1775
01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:50,300
Making sure all of that follows the ordinance.

1776
01:54:51,260 --> 01:54:52,860
And once it.

1777
01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:55,940
We we find that an application complies.

1778
01:54:56,180 --> 01:54:59,300
We bring it to the county and make the recommendation for approval.

1779
01:54:59,700 --> 01:55:01,020
Or or not.

1780
01:55:01,460 --> 01:55:06,340
And then once that's done, we go out and inspect as well.

1781
01:55:07,060 --> 01:55:11,100
We inspect the sites to make sure that what they've built complies with the ordinance.

1782
01:55:11,300 --> 01:55:13,540
And then do all of the.

1783
01:55:13,780 --> 01:55:15,980
The paperwork behind that. So basically.

1784
01:55:16,140 --> 01:55:20,020
We're working behind the scenes for the planning department and the Commission.

1785
01:55:20,540 --> 01:55:21,740
To make sure that.

1786
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:24,740
These cell towers are built in accordance with.

1787
01:55:24,820 --> 01:55:26,060
What what you'd like?

1788
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:30,220
And this this ordinance is just something that we.

1789
01:55:30,620 --> 01:55:34,820
We'd like to update not too often because ordinances are paying to update, but.

1790
01:55:35,020 --> 01:55:37,660
Every few years as the industry changes and in.

1791
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:40,260
This particular case because this came up.

1792
01:55:40,540 --> 01:55:44,460
With this particular application, we thought it was important to.

1793
01:55:44,860 --> 01:55:46,420
Get this out as soon as possible.

1794
01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:47,540
And again.

1795
01:55:48,220 --> 01:55:50,580
And I would be remiss if I didn't point out.

1796
01:55:51,940 --> 01:55:54,700
Even if you do pass this ordinance in a month or.

1797
01:55:54,900 --> 01:55:56,500
Or however long the period is.

1798
01:55:57,060 --> 01:56:01,340
The current application that Western New Mexico has up on Dwyer Road.

1799
01:56:01,820 --> 01:56:03,860
Would fall under the old ordinance.

1800
01:56:04,500 --> 01:56:06,620
Because they submitted it at that point, so.

1801
01:56:06,820 --> 01:56:09,620
This is just in response to a hole that we saw.

1802
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:11,460
That should be.

1803
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:13,860
Addressed in our opinion.

1804
01:56:14,850 --> 01:56:19,190
All right. Thank you. I have two more questions. One is who will actually own this tower?

1805
01:56:20,660 --> 01:56:25,220
The tower is in. That application was owned by Western New Mexico.

1806
01:56:26,090 --> 01:56:28,650
OK. And the second one is the.

1807
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:33,420
The easement that was presented in this case as I read it.

1808
01:56:33,820 --> 01:56:35,340
And the applicant did.

1809
01:56:35,460 --> 01:56:40,620
Didn't speak to the technology used today. It sounded more like it was from the past.

1810
01:56:40,820 --> 01:56:44,340
Wires were going on poles. It wasn't talking about antennas.

1811
01:56:44,620 --> 01:56:46,300
What is the opinion about?

1812
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:51,860
That particular easement and how would somebody holding that easement?

1813
01:56:51,980 --> 01:56:55,860
Know or understand what that easement may mean today.

1814
01:56:56,610 --> 01:57:00,710
Yeah, I agree with you. That easement was from 1989 I believe.

1815
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:04,860
And beyond some other issues with property lines and some things like that.

1816
01:57:05,140 --> 01:57:08,740
The easement is very vague and it says we've got a 5050 plot.

1817
01:57:09,300 --> 01:57:10,100
Forever.

1818
01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:12,460
Though we can build telephone equipment on.

1819
01:57:13,060 --> 01:57:14,420
It doesn't say anything.

1820
01:57:14,620 --> 01:57:16,460
About 150 foot tower.

1821
01:57:16,780 --> 01:57:20,060
It also at the same time doesn't say that they couldn't build.

1822
01:57:20,340 --> 01:57:22,100
150 foot tower so.

1823
01:57:22,300 --> 01:57:23,780
The easement is very vague.

1824
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:25,780
Partially because it's very old.

1825
01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:27,460
And I.

1826
01:57:29,540 --> 01:57:31,550
From the ordinance perspective.

1827
01:57:31,900 --> 01:57:35,030
The applicant has to prove that they have.

1828
01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:40,380
Legitimate right Title or interest in that site itself, which they did.

1829
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:42,100
So therefore.

1830
01:57:42,220 --> 01:57:44,820
It met the ordinance Definition of what?

1831
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:47,100
The applicant had to approve.

1832
01:57:47,420 --> 01:57:52,860
Now it was pulled off of the the Commission last last month.

1833
01:57:53,380 --> 01:57:55,860
Because the applicant requested that.

1834
01:57:56,220 --> 01:57:59,060
And the last they told me was they were going to talk to the.

1835
01:57:59,220 --> 01:58:01,780
Landowner and try to clear all this up which is.

1836
01:58:01,980 --> 01:58:04,020
A good thing that's what I had hoped for, but.

1837
01:58:04,660 --> 01:58:06,620
I haven't heard anything back yet so.

1838
01:58:07,060 --> 01:58:09,260
As far as as the ordinance.

1839
01:58:09,620 --> 01:58:10,660
Is concerned.

1840
01:58:11,140 --> 01:58:14,460
They met the They met the the letter of the law that they had.

1841
01:58:14,860 --> 01:58:16,980
Right. Title or interest in that land?

1842
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:21,580
Which is why we forwarded it with a recommendation for approval.

1843
01:58:22,660 --> 01:58:25,620
We think this ordinance change will tighten that.

1844
01:58:26,100 --> 01:58:27,140
That up a bit.

1845
01:58:28,060 --> 01:58:29,700
And let the.

1846
01:58:30,180 --> 01:58:33,460
The land owners have a little more say in exactly what's done, but.

1847
01:58:33,860 --> 01:58:35,140
Frankly, that that.

1848
01:58:35,220 --> 01:58:37,660
That lease is the most.

1849
01:58:38,980 --> 01:58:40,940
Is the is the vaguest?

1850
01:58:41,020 --> 01:58:42,780
Least I've seen.

1851
01:58:43,260 --> 01:58:46,500
For a, for a wireless, for for a tower.

1852
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:50,420
In in the what, 810 years I've been doing this so.

1853
01:58:51,980 --> 01:58:57,340
If it were a new lease, I wouldn't recommend it would be approved in in that that in that form.

1854
01:58:59,230 --> 01:59:02,190
Thank you, Dean. I appreciate it. Commissioners, do you have anything you want to add?

1855
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:10,190
So how would we?

1856
01:59:10,380 --> 01:59:12,980
Legally go about making the changes.

1857
01:59:13,340 --> 01:59:14,340
To the amendment.

1858
01:59:14,460 --> 01:59:16,060
At his recommendation.

1859
01:59:16,340 --> 01:59:23,460
Specifically, he talked about page 8, the 1500 foot of the tower would be notified. Anybody within that?

1860
01:59:23,620 --> 01:59:27,060
Changing that to 150 feet because that's part of the issue.

1861
01:59:27,340 --> 01:59:30,820
But the tower being 150 feet and people who are close to it.

1862
01:59:31,220 --> 01:59:33,140
Weren't notified because they were more than.

1863
01:59:33,340 --> 01:59:37,500
That's part of the next step here is to ask for a motion.

1864
01:59:37,780 --> 01:59:41,620
That's what's contained in the new ordinance that we would be adopting.

1865
01:59:41,740 --> 01:59:44,100
150 fees.

1866
01:59:44,460 --> 01:59:47,820
Ordinance, right. So this is a call for ordinance saying that we're going to.

1867
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:50,420
Essentially, open the ordinance up for modification.

1868
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:54,550
The they're going to modify the ordinance as stated.

1869
01:59:54,700 --> 01:59:55,340
Earlier.

1870
01:59:55,540 --> 01:59:57,380
Everybody's going to have a chance to look at it.

1871
01:59:57,740 --> 01:59:59,060
And then the next meeting.

1872
01:59:59,220 --> 02:00:01,140
We'll have public comment on that ordinance.

1873
02:00:01,380 --> 02:00:02,140
And then?

1874
02:00:02,260 --> 02:00:03,500
If approved by the board.

1875
02:00:03,580 --> 02:00:05,540
30 days after that it goes into effect.

1876
02:00:05,780 --> 02:00:06,740
30 days.

1877
02:00:06,820 --> 02:00:07,380
OK.

1878
02:00:08,740 --> 02:00:09,980
I was listening to.

1879
02:00:10,060 --> 02:00:11,300
Your presentation.

1880
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:13,580
And I was also looking at the landowner.

1881
02:00:14,060 --> 02:00:16,060
Who didn't seem to.

1882
02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:20,830
Happy. I guess there's some confusion. Is that correct?

1883
02:00:20,940 --> 02:00:22,220
I don't want to put words OK.

1884
02:00:22,460 --> 02:00:22,940
So.

1885
02:00:23,970 --> 02:00:24,810
Yeah, I.

1886
02:00:25,580 --> 02:00:30,540
I want to make sure we respect your private property and make sure that you get all those questions answered.

1887
02:00:30,620 --> 02:00:32,100
Before we take action.

1888
02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:35,180
If that's OK.

1889
02:00:39,790 --> 02:00:44,190
That's that's obviously an intent of this because of the questions that have been raised.

1890
02:00:45,580 --> 02:00:50,260
It's created an issue and I thank you for bringing things to our attention because.

1891
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:52,300
It is certainly not our intent.

1892
02:00:52,380 --> 02:00:56,380
To do things that are illegal or improper.

1893
02:00:56,740 --> 02:00:57,380
So.

1894
02:00:57,740 --> 02:00:59,380
Thank you guys for being here.

1895
02:00:59,620 --> 02:01:01,140
Can I just clear it please? Yeah.

1896
02:01:01,340 --> 02:01:03,830
Because I think there is some of the ordinance that we're changing.

1897
02:01:03,980 --> 02:01:05,740
Which is what's on the agenda today.

1898
02:01:06,910 --> 02:01:09,790
Is exactly as stated in the presentation we just had.

1899
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:12,830
The differences that they have.

1900
02:01:13,140 --> 02:01:15,780
With the view of that tower? Anything else?

1901
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,620
That's part of the application that is not on the packet today. It's not up for review.

1902
02:01:19,780 --> 02:01:22,140
It's nothing. This is the ordinance. That's it.

1903
02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:25,140
And he'll be able to come back and yes, when. Yeah.

1904
02:01:25,940 --> 02:01:28,540
All right. Thank you. With that, I call for a motion.

1905
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:30,910
So move, Madam Chair.

1906
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:32,100
I'll second that.

1907
02:01:32,340 --> 02:01:35,220
All right, having a motion, may we have a roll call vote please?

1908
02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:38,270
Commissioner Trejo, Yes.

1909
02:01:38,620 --> 02:01:39,500
Chair Harvey.

1910
02:01:40,430 --> 02:01:41,270
Yes.

1911
02:01:41,460 --> 02:01:42,660
Commissioner Chandler.

1912
02:01:42,740 --> 02:01:43,340
Yes.

1913
02:01:43,420 --> 02:01:44,460
Motion passes.

1914
02:01:44,540 --> 02:01:50,980
Thank you. Resolution 2667 is in the books. We're going to move forward and to the public hearing.

1915
02:01:52,660 --> 02:01:56,920
And I have a script here to read for you, so please bear with me. At this time, I call a public hearing to continue consideration

1916
02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:01,180
of Resolution 2668.

1917
02:02:01,580 --> 02:02:03,020
Or approval of.

1918
02:02:03,620 --> 02:02:08,180
Relating to issuance of conditional use permits for agate solar.

1919
02:02:08,250 --> 02:02:14,610
And storage project and allocate storage project and resolution 2669 for the authorization of.

1920
02:02:15,330 --> 02:02:16,730
Industrial revenue bonds.

1921
02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:17,850
For this project.

1922
02:02:18,210 --> 02:02:22,260
The requirements for public hearing are to protect the interests of all parties.

1923
02:02:22,770 --> 02:02:28,050
And to provide interested parties a reasonable opportunity to submit comments and data underoath.

1924
02:02:28,290 --> 02:02:30,530
And subject cross examination.

1925
02:02:30,690 --> 02:02:35,810
To have a record of these proceedings and to ensure fair hearing, including the disclosure.

1926
02:02:35,890 --> 02:02:37,730
Of any conflicts of interest.

1927
02:02:38,170 --> 02:02:44,330
Do any of our commissioners was to abstain or disclose any ex parte communications with the applicant?

1928
02:02:44,770 --> 02:02:46,370
Or conflicts of interest.

1929
02:02:47,010 --> 02:02:47,970
Chair.

1930
02:02:48,090 --> 02:02:48,690
Thank you.

1931
02:02:48,970 --> 02:02:49,450
Ma'am.

1932
02:02:49,770 --> 02:02:51,450
No, all right.

1933
02:02:51,850 --> 02:02:56,210
Will all persons who wish to appear and offer testimony, evidence or public comment.

1934
02:02:56,290 --> 02:03:00,050
Please sign in as a registered speaker if you have not.

1935
02:03:01,030 --> 02:03:04,790
I have nobody has signed up for. All right, thank you, Chris.

1936
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:06,810
Now that everyone who wishes to give.

1937
02:03:08,130 --> 02:03:13,770
Who wishes to give and participate is signed in. I ask that each of you please raise your right hand.

1938
02:03:14,410 --> 02:03:19,730
Including the applicants and Luna County staff who will be speaking day after the oath that is ministered.

1939
02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:22,250
Please answer. I do so affirm.

1940
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:29,100
All right. Do you swear that the testimony you were about to give is based on?

1941
02:03:29,210 --> 02:03:33,810
Personal knowledge and is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge under the penalty of law.

1942
02:03:35,890 --> 02:03:36,570
Thank you.

1943
02:03:37,090 --> 02:03:42,530
All right, the applicant will now present a brief summary of the request and the ground supporting the request.

1944
02:03:55,540 --> 02:04:01,240
Good afternoon, Chair, Commissioners, County Manager. So I'm going to do the resolution 2668 first, which is the resolution for

1945
02:04:01,240 --> 02:04:06,940
the special use permit. It's a special use, not a conditional use permit.

1946
02:04:07,210 --> 02:04:12,050
And this is going to be for both the Agate Solar and Storage project and the Malachi.

1947
02:04:12,330 --> 02:04:18,890
Storage project. This is just for the land use and the sitting and this resolution will be the approval and.

1948
02:04:19,370 --> 02:04:23,830
It'll before they even begin construction, we'll make sure that they have the development agreements signed and executed and no

1949
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:28,290
development will.

1950
02:04:28,570 --> 02:04:33,130
Began until everything that we might still be pending at the time is submitted to us.

1951
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:37,500
So I recommend approval of the resolution for the special use permit for both projects.

1952
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:42,120
All right. Are there any questions from the Commissioner?

1953
02:04:42,730 --> 02:04:44,450
Any of our commissioners, please?

1954
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:47,500
All right. Thank you.

1955
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:51,860
Are there any questions from our County Attorney or other?

1956
02:04:51,970 --> 02:04:55,810
Person signed in which there was only one to testify or comment.

1957
02:04:57,790 --> 02:05:04,540
All right, hearing none, the planning director will now present a brief summary of the request for the staff, which is.

1958
02:05:06,580 --> 02:05:07,060
Now I have.

1959
02:05:07,650 --> 02:05:09,610
OK, well, come on up, please.

1960
02:05:09,730 --> 02:05:10,970
Or speak up loud enough.

1961
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:15,630
Mr. Let's jump to God.

1962
02:05:16,210 --> 02:05:17,210
First, it was Apple.

1963
02:05:17,410 --> 02:05:19,090
That's congregate in.

1964
02:05:19,650 --> 02:05:21,690
The attorney if they want to make a presentation.

1965
02:05:21,850 --> 02:05:23,410
The name of her recommendation?

1966
02:05:24,260 --> 02:05:25,340
I tried to stop her.

1967
02:05:25,530 --> 02:05:28,610
All right, so we got the recommendation before the presentation.

1968
02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:32,625
So is there a presentation or is that it? Is there just a presentation that you guys saw in the beginning that was for both the

1969
02:05:32,625 --> 02:05:35,860
projects?

1970
02:05:36,810 --> 02:05:38,050
And the IRB.

1971
02:05:38,290 --> 02:05:39,410
Let the speed.

1972
02:05:39,530 --> 02:05:41,250
Yes. Could we have the go sit down?

1973
02:05:41,610 --> 02:05:42,290
Thank you.

1974
02:05:44,890 --> 02:05:48,490
And just to clear things up, I think the presentation we gave before would be indicative of the presentation now. I know you're

1975
02:05:48,490 --> 02:05:52,090
very, I apologize.

1976
02:05:52,730 --> 02:05:56,823
The presentation we gave earlier would be indicative of the presentation we gave now. But currently what we're requesting is for

1977
02:05:56,823 --> 02:06:00,916
the special use permit for the Agate Solar and storage project as well as the Malachite storage project and the inducement of the

1978
02:06:00,916 --> 02:06:05,009
IRB.

1979
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:07,480
That's.

1980
02:06:09,130 --> 02:06:10,290
All right. Thank you.

1981
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,220
Next thing, Chris is closing.

1982
02:06:16,650 --> 02:06:17,730
Closing the comment.

1983
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:27,240
Yes. Well, we've had very limited public input. So at this time I'm closing public.

1984
02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:30,090
Comment and bringing it back to the Commission.

1985
02:06:30,730 --> 02:06:34,050
Is there a Commissioner prepared to make a motion or we?

1986
02:06:38,150 --> 02:06:39,380
What the?

1987
02:06:40,090 --> 02:06:40,730
Context.

1988
02:06:42,130 --> 02:06:43,850
I'm sorry I can't hear you, Mary.

1989
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:48,090
So the.

1990
02:06:48,170 --> 02:06:54,330
We're not getting property taxes right, so instead we're giving them, we're getting some other financial benefit.

1991
02:06:54,890 --> 02:06:55,690
That's correct.

1992
02:06:57,410 --> 02:06:59,730
Please speak to that issue if you would.

1993
02:07:01,730 --> 02:07:06,310
That's correct. Good afternoon, County chair, Commissioners. My name is Pete Kelton. I'm an attorney with the Roadie Law firm here

1994
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:10,890
on behalf of Luna County.

1995
02:07:12,210 --> 02:07:13,850
I've got a presentation.

1996
02:07:16,250 --> 02:07:17,130
On.

1997
02:07:17,570 --> 02:07:22,610
Industrial revenue bonds generally and the final slide about this specific project as well.

1998
02:07:23,770 --> 02:07:24,850
So you've.

1999
02:07:25,130 --> 02:07:30,130
Been presented with resolution 2668 for the special use permit.

2000
02:07:30,730 --> 02:07:35,380
The resolution for the IRB's would be 2669.

2001
02:07:36,090 --> 02:07:37,330
That would be.

2002
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:43,980
See Approving a an inducement resolution authorizing the county to.

2003
02:07:44,090 --> 02:07:45,250
Proceed with.

2004
02:07:46,290 --> 02:07:51,540
Providing notice from publishing Notice of its intent to consider.

2005
02:07:52,250 --> 02:07:53,970
An IRB ordinance.

2006
02:07:54,490 --> 02:08:02,370
It also would be ratifying notice letters that have gone out to the various taxing jurisdictions within the county.

2007
02:08:02,570 --> 02:08:04,850
And really, it's a preliminary step.

2008
02:08:05,330 --> 02:08:11,290
That allows for the county to continue moving forward with consideration of the.

2009
02:08:12,050 --> 02:08:13,370
IRB Ordinance.

2010
02:08:14,490 --> 02:08:16,450
The inducement resolution doesn't.

2011
02:08:16,570 --> 02:08:23,730
Obligate the county to take any additional steps. It doesn't bind the county in any sort of way.

2012
02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:24,930
Instead it's.

2013
02:08:25,490 --> 02:08:29,970
And an indication to the public that you're planning to.

2014
02:08:30,370 --> 02:08:31,050
Have.

2015
02:08:31,610 --> 02:08:35,370
The IRB ordinance on a future agenda.

2016
02:08:35,730 --> 02:08:37,290
For consideration.

2017
02:08:37,410 --> 02:08:38,850
Public comment, et cetera.

2018
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:40,440
So.

2019
02:08:41,890 --> 02:08:44,170
What the inducement resolution does again?

2020
02:08:44,290 --> 02:08:46,290
Is authorized the county to.

2021
02:08:46,370 --> 02:08:49,890
Publish a Notice of intent to consider.

2022
02:08:50,130 --> 02:08:51,610
The IRB ordinance.

2023
02:08:51,970 --> 02:08:57,130
And it also established it establishes what's known as the agency relationship.

2024
02:08:57,210 --> 02:08:59,530
Between the county and the developer.

2025
02:08:59,770 --> 02:09:06,450
So that the developer is able to secure certain gross receipts tax exemptions by virtue of.

2026
02:09:07,650 --> 02:09:09,410
The IRB struct.

2027
02:09:09,770 --> 02:09:11,810
So that would be the starting date.

2028
02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:14,250
For the the developer to start.

2029
02:09:14,970 --> 02:09:16,410
Making long term.

2030
02:09:17,690 --> 02:09:20,530
In long time horizon purchases.

2031
02:09:20,890 --> 02:09:25,050
Of equipment while getting those purchase heats tax exemptions.

2032
02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:25,890
But.

2033
02:09:26,250 --> 02:09:26,650
That.

2034
02:09:27,650 --> 02:09:35,450
Again, it does not obligate the county to proceed with the IRB ordinance, and any such purchases would be sort of at.

2035
02:09:36,010 --> 02:09:37,490
The developers own risk.

2036
02:09:39,050 --> 02:09:41,090
In terms of the presentation.

2037
02:09:41,370 --> 02:09:44,810
I know that I've given this to several of you in the past.

2038
02:09:44,930 --> 02:09:45,250
But.

2039
02:09:45,650 --> 02:09:52,730
I know that. I think this is the first time that County Chair Harvey has been at least on that side of the dais.

2040
02:09:53,410 --> 02:09:54,650
For me presenting.

2041
02:09:56,610 --> 02:09:59,210
So industrial revenue bonds?

2042
02:09:59,330 --> 02:10:00,570
In New Mexico.

2043
02:10:01,530 --> 02:10:02,250
Let's see.

2044
02:10:07,780 --> 02:10:10,940
So industrial revenue bonds in New Mexico are?

2045
02:10:11,730 --> 02:10:14,570
At a an economic development tool.

2046
02:10:14,970 --> 02:10:17,090
That's used to provide certain.

2047
02:10:17,290 --> 02:10:24,450
Gross receipts, compensating and property tax abatements for the development of major capital projects.

2048
02:10:26,170 --> 02:10:28,650
There have been 10s of billions of dollars. Uh.

2049
02:10:29,890 --> 02:10:31,770
Of private investment.

2050
02:10:33,010 --> 02:10:39,330
That's taken place in New Mexico utilizing the tax incentives available through IRB's.

2051
02:10:41,010 --> 02:10:47,330
Some other recent issuers of IRB's for renewable energy projects.

2052
02:10:47,650 --> 02:10:50,570
Include your neighbors and Tonya, Anna County.

2053
02:10:51,610 --> 02:10:54,170
There's Roosevelt County, Quake County.

2054
02:10:54,930 --> 02:10:56,650
Hidalgo County.

2055
02:10:56,730 --> 02:10:58,010
Grant County.

2056
02:10:58,970 --> 02:11:03,780
A wide variety of a wide array of counties.

2057
02:11:05,130 --> 02:11:13,340
Our firm represents several of the counties that I just mentioned and also represents pattern energy, so.

2058
02:11:13,730 --> 02:11:17,930
We do. We have a lot of experience in working through these sorts of projects.

2059
02:11:18,370 --> 02:11:19,130
Again.

2060
02:11:19,810 --> 02:11:21,650
I know that I've mentioned this in the past.

2061
02:11:21,730 --> 02:11:28,490
These IRB's are not an obligation of the county. In no way would the county be on the hook for.

2062
02:11:28,570 --> 02:11:30,130
Repaying any of this debt.

2063
02:11:31,330 --> 02:11:34,090
These IRB's are.

2064
02:11:34,650 --> 02:11:40,410
Privately and internally financed by the developer. So it's really one arm of the developer providing the financing to another arm

2065
02:11:40,410 --> 02:11:46,170
of the developer.

2066
02:11:48,430 --> 02:11:53,500
So again, the primary purpose of these IRB's is to provide.

2067
02:11:53,610 --> 02:11:57,330
Gross receipts, compensating and property tax abatements.

2068
02:11:57,610 --> 02:12:02,010
In exchange for those abatements, the developers.

2069
02:12:02,130 --> 02:12:05,650
Agree to make certain commitments to the issuer.

2070
02:12:06,650 --> 02:12:13,540
In this instance, there would be payments in lieu of taxes. I believe that the negotiations are.

2071
02:12:14,610 --> 02:12:18,250
Have resulted in just north of 18,000,000.

2072
02:12:18,970 --> 02:12:20,170
In total.

2073
02:12:20,610 --> 02:12:23,530
Pilot payments over the term of the bonds.

2074
02:12:23,930 --> 02:12:24,450
So.

2075
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,140
That's that's effectively what?

2076
02:12:28,250 --> 02:12:32,010
The the developers would be providing in exchange for.

2077
02:12:32,210 --> 02:12:34,610
The tax abatements provided.

2078
02:12:35,650 --> 02:12:38,620
From the Irbs in addition to the other.

2079
02:12:39,690 --> 02:12:43,170
Broader economic development stimulus provided by.

2080
02:12:43,250 --> 02:12:45,130
Project of this scalar nature.

2081
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:50,420
So in terms of how the mechanics of an IRB work.

2082
02:12:52,250 --> 02:12:57,100
The developer would convey all of its right title and interest in the.

2083
02:12:57,210 --> 02:12:58,450
Project site.

2084
02:12:58,810 --> 02:13:02,010
The equipment and any equipment that would be acquired.

2085
02:13:02,490 --> 02:13:04,050
Post closing.

2086
02:13:05,970 --> 02:13:09,890
I will post the issuance of the bonds for that project.

2087
02:13:10,170 --> 02:13:11,090
To the county.

2088
02:13:11,170 --> 02:13:14,090
The county would hold effectively fee title.

2089
02:13:14,170 --> 02:13:15,540
To that property.

2090
02:13:15,690 --> 02:13:17,850
And that would lease that property back.

2091
02:13:18,050 --> 02:13:19,570
To the developer.

2092
02:13:20,490 --> 02:13:22,250
Allowing the county, sorry.

2093
02:13:22,370 --> 02:13:26,370
Allowing the developer to effectively maintain economic control.

2094
02:13:26,770 --> 02:13:28,010
Of the project.

2095
02:13:28,700 --> 02:13:30,860
The counties ownership.

2096
02:13:31,170 --> 02:13:35,010
Of the property provides a certain level of tax exemptions.

2097
02:13:35,370 --> 02:13:39,090
And the leasehold interest that the developer would get.

2098
02:13:40,450 --> 02:13:45,450
Back from the county would also be exempt from property taxation.

2099
02:13:45,690 --> 02:13:46,770
By statute.

2100
02:13:47,970 --> 02:13:51,250
Instead of paying property taxes instead those.

2101
02:13:51,490 --> 02:13:54,130
Payments in lieu of taxes or PILOTS would be.

2102
02:13:54,210 --> 02:13:55,290
Paid through the county.

2103
02:13:56,930 --> 02:13:58,490
So again, I'll.

2104
02:13:59,170 --> 02:14:06,010
But I do like to emphasize that none of these bonds would be an obligation of the county to be repaid. I know that.

2105
02:14:06,370 --> 02:14:10,410
It's a lot of money that's listed, so want to be abundantly clear on that.

2106
02:14:12,650 --> 02:14:18,890
The size of the bonds is roughly an estimate of how much the developer anticipates spending.

2107
02:14:19,290 --> 02:14:21,210
For the development of the project.

2108
02:14:22,450 --> 02:14:25,610
That's generally how they're they're structured.

2109
02:14:26,810 --> 02:14:32,490
And whenever the bonds are issued, they would be sold privately to.

2110
02:14:33,130 --> 02:14:36,410
An affiliate of the developer or basically another?

2111
02:14:36,490 --> 02:14:39,010
Extension of the Developer entity.

2112
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:42,560
So again, none of this would be.

2113
02:14:43,250 --> 02:14:45,210
Held by the county this is.

2114
02:14:45,290 --> 02:14:45,970
Simply a.

2115
02:14:46,450 --> 02:14:49,770
Sort of an intercompany loan all within sort of the.

2116
02:14:49,850 --> 02:14:52,460
The Desiree umbrella of companies.

2117
02:14:54,410 --> 02:14:54,890
So.

2118
02:14:55,530 --> 02:14:58,010
As part of renewable energy IRB's.

2119
02:14:59,890 --> 02:15:06,170
Certain payments and low taxes are also required to be paid to the school district and.

2120
02:15:06,290 --> 02:15:09,450
The instance of Luna County the the one School district.

2121
02:15:10,690 --> 02:15:15,730
That percentage is set by statute. There's not.

2122
02:15:16,010 --> 02:15:21,210
An ability to go higher or lower. It's prescribed by statute.

2123
02:15:22,650 --> 02:15:27,330
It Thankfully, because there's only the one school district, it's a rather simple.

2124
02:15:27,730 --> 02:15:29,100
Calculation but.

2125
02:15:30,530 --> 02:15:32,650
The benefit or one of the.

2126
02:15:32,810 --> 02:15:34,170
The benefits of.

2127
02:15:35,050 --> 02:15:37,850
The structure of these pilot payments is that.

2128
02:15:39,410 --> 02:15:44,730
The county would have a large amount of flexibility in terms of how it utilizes those funds.

2129
02:15:44,850 --> 02:15:47,260
Ordinarily, property taxes are.

2130
02:15:47,370 --> 02:15:51,610
Fairly constrained and what they can be used for for county expenses.

2131
02:15:52,330 --> 02:15:55,450
Because these are structured as contractual payments.

2132
02:15:55,690 --> 02:16:02,530
The county has a lot more flexibility to use these payments, however the the county would prefer to use them.

2133
02:16:02,890 --> 02:16:06,730
And the school district would also receive that benefit as well.

2134
02:16:08,770 --> 02:16:12,690
So the first step in this whole process is.

2135
02:16:13,250 --> 02:16:16,130
Consideration of the inducement resolution, which is.

2136
02:16:16,370 --> 02:16:17,450
Before you today.

2137
02:16:18,170 --> 02:16:23,890
That establishes the agency relationship between Luna County and the developer.

2138
02:16:24,650 --> 02:16:27,100
And the next.

2139
02:16:27,210 --> 02:16:28,410
Step will be.

2140
02:16:29,330 --> 02:16:32,010
Publication of a notice of.

2141
02:16:32,770 --> 02:16:35,370
Intent to consider a bond ordinance.

2142
02:16:35,650 --> 02:16:38,330
That would need to be published at least two weeks in advance.

2143
02:16:39,330 --> 02:16:41,410
Of consideration of that ordinance.

2144
02:16:42,330 --> 02:16:48,170
Followed by actual consideration of the ordinance at a later county Commission.

2145
02:16:48,370 --> 02:16:49,130
Meeting umm.

2146
02:16:50,690 --> 02:16:56,100
To the extent that the county does adopt the bond ordinance, we would have to wait another 30 days.

2147
02:16:56,290 --> 02:16:57,890
Or we would actually be able to.

2148
02:16:58,210 --> 02:17:01,370
Continue with closing on the IRB transaction.

2149
02:17:02,940 --> 02:17:08,300
In terms of the specifics for this transaction, there is the malachite.

2150
02:17:08,450 --> 02:17:12,050
Battery storage project. That's a 65 MW.

2151
02:17:12,610 --> 02:17:16,330
Battery project as James mentioned earlier.

2152
02:17:17,090 --> 02:17:21,970
There's also the Agate solar and storage projects. Both of those are.

2153
02:17:22,330 --> 02:17:24,050
199 MW.

2154
02:17:24,730 --> 02:17:26,090
Solar generation.

2155
02:17:26,170 --> 02:17:30,370
Project and 109 MW or 199 MW.

2156
02:17:31,770 --> 02:17:33,010
Solar or?

2157
02:17:33,370 --> 02:17:36,290
Battery storage project as well.

2158
02:17:37,570 --> 02:17:42,490
All the project sites are located in unincorporated portions of the county.

2159
02:17:43,490 --> 02:17:50,330
The the requested bonds would have a 30 year term, so that would be how long the tax abatements would.

2160
02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:51,410
Potentially.

2161
02:17:52,930 --> 02:17:54,010
The total.

2162
02:17:54,090 --> 02:17:57,050
Bond size would be 755,000,000.

2163
02:17:58,050 --> 02:18:03,290
103 million of that would go to the Malachite battery storage.

2164
02:18:03,650 --> 02:18:04,490
Project.

2165
02:18:05,090 --> 02:18:08,290
349,000,000 would go to the.

2166
02:18:09,050 --> 02:18:11,650
Agate solar generation project.

2167
02:18:11,890 --> 02:18:14,570
And 303,000,000 would go to the agate.

2168
02:18:15,530 --> 02:18:17,130
Battery storage project.

2169
02:18:19,230 --> 02:18:25,430
And happy to address any questions, comments or concerns. I've got a quick one for you and.

2170
02:18:25,650 --> 02:18:29,730
You, being an attorney, can answer this better than I many people approach me.

2171
02:18:30,130 --> 02:18:33,330
And they ask what is the difference between?

2172
02:18:34,210 --> 02:18:35,890
If we didn't do an IRB.

2173
02:18:37,690 --> 02:18:43,690
The amount that the county received versus what they do payment in lieu of taxes overtime.

2174
02:18:44,290 --> 02:18:45,690
That's a great question.

2175
02:18:46,730 --> 02:18:48,900
It gets a little bit complicated.

2176
02:18:49,010 --> 02:18:54,140
Because of depreciation schedules for personal property.

2177
02:18:54,250 --> 02:18:55,210
And it's.

2178
02:18:55,850 --> 02:19:00,210
It necessarily depends on how much is actually.

2179
02:19:00,330 --> 02:19:00,970
Purchased.

2180
02:19:02,370 --> 02:19:03,210
And what?

2181
02:19:03,410 --> 02:19:07,930
Sort of mix of personal property is acquired because.

2182
02:19:08,130 --> 02:19:10,490
Different parts are going to be subject to different.

2183
02:19:10,570 --> 02:19:11,690
Depreciation.

2184
02:19:11,770 --> 02:19:12,730
Schedules.

2185
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:15,140
I think that that's.

2186
02:19:15,570 --> 02:19:21,450
It's a good question. I don't know off the top of my head what the actual abatement would be assuming it, and it would require a

2187
02:19:21,450 --> 02:19:27,330
lot of assumptions to be made.

2188
02:19:27,490 --> 02:19:28,250
In terms of.

2189
02:19:28,490 --> 02:19:30,010
Actual spending.

2190
02:19:30,330 --> 02:19:31,420
It is.

2191
02:19:31,610 --> 02:19:34,450
One of the benefits of IRB's is that.

2192
02:19:35,630 --> 02:19:38,470
It doesn't necessarily.

2193
02:19:38,810 --> 02:19:42,290
It's not a raw amount of money that's provided. It's not a.

2194
02:19:43,810 --> 02:19:44,530
A direct.

2195
02:19:44,650 --> 02:19:47,450
Contribution in the form of you're getting.

2196
02:19:47,530 --> 02:19:49,810
X amount of dollars up front.

2197
02:19:50,050 --> 02:19:50,890
Abated.

2198
02:19:51,570 --> 02:19:53,650
It's an incentive that.

2199
02:19:55,130 --> 02:20:01,490
Scales to the actual amount of investment that's made and in order to actually secure those incentives.

2200
02:20:01,810 --> 02:20:07,700
The developer has to make those purchases because otherwise there's no abatement that actually occurs.

2201
02:20:08,410 --> 02:20:12,770
The other way that I tend to look at these things is.

2202
02:20:13,450 --> 02:20:16,730
The landscape for solar development.

2203
02:20:17,370 --> 02:20:21,210
Wind development across the United States is such that.

2204
02:20:21,610 --> 02:20:23,970
It's very difficult for projects to.

2205
02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:28,730
Secure funding and make progress.

2206
02:20:29,250 --> 02:20:31,900
When competing against other projects.

2207
02:20:32,330 --> 02:20:35,890
That not only across the country, but even within the state of New Mexico.

2208
02:20:36,410 --> 02:20:37,250
Because.

2209
02:20:37,370 --> 02:20:41,410
Where some projects are receiving incentives and others are not.

2210
02:20:41,850 --> 02:20:48,010
That usually investors are going to go towards the projects that have lower overall costs because they do receive a a higher level

2211
02:20:48,010 --> 02:20:54,170
of return.

2212
02:20:55,010 --> 02:20:56,090
As a result.

2213
02:20:57,610 --> 02:21:03,730
It's hard to assume that if the IRB incentives aren't provided that the project would proceed at all.

2214
02:21:04,460 --> 02:21:07,580
So in the event that the project didn't proceed at all.

2215
02:21:07,690 --> 02:21:11,890
The net property tax benefit would be 0.

2216
02:21:12,130 --> 02:21:16,690
As would be the gross receipts tax and compensating tax revenue.

2217
02:21:17,090 --> 02:21:18,500
So it's.

2218
02:21:18,610 --> 02:21:19,170
Hard to.

2219
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,000
You run into the issue of.

2220
02:21:26,220 --> 02:21:27,420
Knowing what?

2221
02:21:27,530 --> 02:21:31,490
Would have happened under this other set of assumptions where you just don't really know whether the project would have actually

2222
02:21:31,490 --> 02:21:35,450
proceeded.

2223
02:21:35,690 --> 02:21:37,250
I'm digesting that.

2224
02:21:37,970 --> 02:21:40,530
You Sir, do you all approach and have a comment?

2225
02:21:40,610 --> 02:21:43,930
Add to this if I make chair and commissioners.

2226
02:21:44,330 --> 02:21:49,570
My name is Nate Runyon. I'm a partner at the law firm Holland and Heart, and we represent the developer Desiree.

2227
02:21:50,210 --> 02:21:55,140
We work with staff and modeled the pilot and worked on negotiating the numbers.

2228
02:21:55,290 --> 02:21:58,450
And it can say that in our modeling.

2229
02:21:58,570 --> 02:21:59,810
We made sure.

2230
02:22:00,010 --> 02:22:01,890
That the county mill rate.

2231
02:22:01,970 --> 02:22:05,210
Would be fully paid, so the county is not going to.

2232
02:22:05,290 --> 02:22:09,050
Give a discount on anything so the county is going to get the full.

2233
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:11,770
Tax as if there was number IRB.

2234
02:22:12,210 --> 02:22:15,650
And then as Mr. Kelton mentioned, we'll we'll follow the statute on the school district payments and and all the other payments,

2235
02:22:15,650 --> 02:22:19,090
so.

2236
02:22:19,450 --> 02:22:21,170
The county is being made whole.

2237
02:22:21,250 --> 02:22:22,690
The one beneficial?

2238
02:22:22,930 --> 02:22:24,970
Part to the county as well is.

2239
02:22:25,330 --> 02:22:29,770
We agreed in the Kearney project, the Kearney solar project and in this project.

2240
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,130
That we would make some upfront payments.

2241
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:36,400
That wouldn't normally be made. These upfront payments are going to be higher, so the county gets more dollars up front and then

2242
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:40,520
for 10 years it's at a.

2243
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:42,320
A certain rate and then it's.

2244
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:43,480
It goes back up.

2245
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:45,560
For the last 20 years so.

2246
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:49,620
A time value of money there is a benefit to the county because you're getting the payments sooner than you would have on a normal

2247
02:22:49,620 --> 02:22:53,040
property tax.

2248
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,440
So just wanted to make those comments and.

2249
02:22:55,520 --> 02:23:00,640
Happy to answer any other questions. I I appreciate the clarification both the gentlemen. So the upfront is how much and over at

2250
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:05,760
the end of the 30 years or the term of the project, what is the amount?

2251
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:10,960
So the upfront is and I'll give you the exact amount, it's 3,101,000.

2252
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:13,120
$381.01.

2253
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:16,120
For the 30 year term.

2254
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:21,360
And that's the, that's the first, sorry, that's the first payment. The $3,000,000 is the first payment.

2255
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:24,160
And then over the 30 year term, it's 18,000,000.

2256
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:27,640
257,686.

2257
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:30,480
Dollars and five cents, so just over.

2258
02:23:31,400 --> 02:23:32,160
18 point.

2259
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:33,160
2 million.

2260
02:23:33,560 --> 02:23:39,880
So there's a significant difference between doing the IRB and the project and not doing it.

2261
02:23:40,810 --> 02:23:45,130
Correct. That's my point is that it is beneficial to the county.

2262
02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:50,280
And we're not the ones that granted, I mean we may vote on it, but we're not the bondholders in this. So doing this project is an

2263
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:54,240
overall.

2264
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:57,080
Obvious benefit to the county.

2265
02:23:57,520 --> 02:23:59,160
To permit and and be.

2266
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:02,240
To allow it, I guess pass the ordinance for.

2267
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:04,000
So if I may really quick.

2268
02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:09,210
Our County Attorney explained it a couple days ago in very simplified terms.

2269
02:24:09,400 --> 02:24:11,760
That maybe a lot of people aren't quite catching.

2270
02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:13,840
But he was saying that the IRB.

2271
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:16,600
Comes directly to the county.

2272
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:21,800
If you wait and don't do an IRB and just have it through the tax process.

2273
02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:24,360
Then the county only receives.

2274
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:26,160
What is it like 2%?

2275
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:30,440
Of the total taxes because the rest of it goes to the state.

2276
02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:33,440
And then they divvy it up however these they fit.

2277
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:34,600
And so.

2278
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:36,720
For the county itself and IRB.

2279
02:24:37,400 --> 02:24:38,040
Is.

2280
02:24:38,360 --> 02:24:40,200
Justification and.

2281
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:44,290
That we will get paid and that we will get an X amount of dollars.

2282
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:45,680
We will receive that.

2283
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:47,920
And just like you were saying.

2284
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:49,600
It's hard to guess.

2285
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:50,880
Over a long term.

2286
02:24:51,080 --> 02:24:53,840
What that would be without an IRB, we have no idea.

2287
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:57,800
And so it's very beneficial to the county as a whole.

2288
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:00,000
To receive an IRB direct.

2289
02:25:00,120 --> 02:25:04,400
And not wait on these tax payments because those are much smaller amount.

2290
02:25:04,520 --> 02:25:07,800
Could be the IRB is an inducement for economic development.

2291
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,080
Yes, thank you.

2292
02:25:10,990 --> 02:25:13,130
Nicely done. Do you have anything else to present?

2293
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:18,000
Up county chair commissioners no that that's.

2294
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:22,200
The end of my presentation, but I'm happy to address any other questions that you may have out.

2295
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:24,080
Well done. Thank you, gentlemen.

2296
02:25:26,170 --> 02:25:26,850
All right.

2297
02:25:28,820 --> 02:25:31,450
I think I had already brought this back to the Commission.

2298
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:32,280
That correct?

2299
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:36,800
All right. Well, at this time, is there a Commissioner prepared to make a motion?

2300
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:39,240
Some requests so move, Madam Chair.

2301
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:40,920
You know, second that.

2302
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:43,720
So we have a 2 motions on this.

2303
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:45,640
Roll call vote please.

2304
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:47,640
Commissioner Trejo.

2305
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:49,640
Chair Harvey, Yes.

2306
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:51,680
Commissioner Chandler, Yes.

2307
02:25:51,800 --> 02:25:52,800
Motion passes.

2308
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:53,520
Thank you.

2309
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:57,080
Those two resolutions, 2668 and.

2310
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:59,280
2669.

2311
02:25:59,960 --> 02:26:03,760
Our past, We're going to move on to the next one, which is a.

2312
02:26:04,810 --> 02:26:05,970
A public hearing for a.

2313
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:09,360
Variance request from David Allen Gerard.

2314
02:26:09,480 --> 02:26:14,880
Richardson or Luna County property at 3350 El Bordeau Rd. SE.

2315
02:26:16,530 --> 02:26:18,010
One second, please.

2316
02:26:24,520 --> 02:26:25,120
All right.

2317
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:26,880
At this time.

2318
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:31,640
I call for the public hearing for consideration of requests by David Allen, Gerald Richardson.

2319
02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:35,520
To allow use of an RV at 3350 El Bordeau Rd.

2320
02:26:35,800 --> 02:26:41,520
As a residence, the variance process is pursuant to Ordinance 75, section 3.7.

2321
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:46,200
The requirements for a public hearing are to protect the interests of all parties.

2322
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:52,305
And to provide interested parties a reasonable opportunity to submit comments and data underoath and subject to cross examination,

2323
02:26:52,305 --> 02:26:57,970
to have a record of these proceedings and to ensure fair hearing.

2324
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:01,240
Including the disclosure of any conflicts of interest.

2325
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:04,320
Do any of the Commissioners wish to abstain?

2326
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:09,200
Or disclose any ex parte communications with the applicant.

2327
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:10,920
Or conflicts of interest.

2328
02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:14,040
Hearing none.

2329
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:21,720
Will all persons who wish to appear and offer testimony, evidence or public comment, please sign in as a registered speaker.

2330
02:27:22,400 --> 02:27:24,480
We have Carol Felsing is the only one signed in.

2331
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:25,520
All right.

2332
02:27:27,440 --> 02:27:27,920
No.

2333
02:27:30,420 --> 02:27:31,140
All right.

2334
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:37,880
Well, having none signed in, I don't see any reason to have anybody raise their hand, take an oath, so we'll move on.

2335
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:41,800
The applicant will now per.

2336
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:43,280
Present a brief.

2337
02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:47,200
Summary of the request and ground supporting their request.

2338
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:58,650
Afternoon, Sheriff. Thank you.

2339
02:27:59,600 --> 02:28:01,080
We have to swear.

2340
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:02,520
Oh yes.

2341
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:05,120
Let me find the oath here.

2342
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:07,320
Could you please raise your right hand?

2343
02:28:09,660 --> 02:28:14,460
All right. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is based on personal knowledge?

2344
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:18,440
And is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge under the penalty of law.

2345
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:19,080
I do.

2346
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:20,160
Thank you.

2347
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:22,000
The applicant will now prevent.

2348
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:24,960
Present the brief summary on the ground supporting the request.

2349
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:26,040
Please carry forward.

2350
02:28:26,320 --> 02:28:26,760
But do.

2351
02:28:30,850 --> 02:28:33,170
President so.

2352
02:28:34,280 --> 02:28:34,760
Excuse me?

2353
02:28:37,140 --> 02:28:37,900
I was requesting a.

2354
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:40,240
Speak into the mic, please.

2355
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:42,040
I was requesting a variance.

2356
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:43,040
For.

2357
02:28:43,720 --> 02:28:44,840
Permission to.

2358
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:45,480
Put a.

2359
02:28:47,780 --> 02:28:48,620
Manufactured Home.

2360
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:50,120
On my property.

2361
02:28:50,440 --> 02:28:52,520
At 3350 on board of Rd. SE.

2362
02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:56,200
For the purpose of providing.

2363
02:28:57,360 --> 02:28:59,600
So I can take care of my.

2364
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:01,160
Parents, my mom and dad.

2365
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:02,640
As they are about the.

2366
02:29:04,120 --> 02:29:05,480
And cannot work and.

2367
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:06,240
Needs uh.

2368
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:09,160
24 hour like round the clock care.

2369
02:29:10,470 --> 02:29:11,670
And I.

2370
02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:13,560
Put in for.

2371
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:17,550
The.

2372
02:29:22,290 --> 02:29:25,130
The well and the subject that was already out there.

2373
02:29:25,360 --> 02:29:29,240
From a previous previous variance that we had before.

2374
02:29:29,480 --> 02:29:31,760
From 2005 I believe.

2375
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:35,600
So everything the electric is set up out there the.

2376
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:38,360
Subject is set up out there.

2377
02:29:39,330 --> 02:29:40,730
And everything needed to.

2378
02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:41,760
Provide uh.

2379
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:46,080
All the utilities for an extra.

2380
02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:47,440
Mobile home out there.

2381
02:29:48,910 --> 02:29:50,090
And all of the.

2382
02:29:52,510 --> 02:29:57,330
All the requests and everything from the other departments, the state of engineers and everything has been approved.

2383
02:29:57,640 --> 02:29:58,320
For that.

2384
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:00,320
So I'll just.

2385
02:30:04,450 --> 02:30:10,130
I don't get it. Thank you, Sir. I appreciate your testimony. Is there anything further you'd like to add?

2386
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:11,320
Not at this time now.

2387
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:12,810
All right. Thank you.

2388
02:30:14,610 --> 02:30:17,170
Are there any questions from the Commissioners?

2389
02:30:18,850 --> 02:30:21,570
So just to be clear, you're asking to have.

2390
02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:23,320
A mobile home.

2391
02:30:25,860 --> 02:30:28,980
On the property so that you could take care of your disabled parents.

2392
02:30:29,160 --> 02:30:30,880
And there is currently a septic and.

2393
02:30:31,240 --> 02:30:32,440
Septic and a whale.

2394
02:30:33,370 --> 02:30:37,490
On this property, yes, Sir, there's, there's two, there's two subjects one well.

2395
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:40,080
I put in for through the.

2396
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:42,840
State of engineer for a multi use.

2397
02:30:43,800 --> 02:30:45,800
For domestic and livestock.

2398
02:30:46,320 --> 02:30:47,960
Permit and it did get it accepted.

2399
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:48,840
Through that.

2400
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,320
So it would have two separate separ.

2401
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:53,520
Septic.

2402
02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:55,840
But it would share a well.

2403
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,000
And it would be metered and everything and reported to them.

2404
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:00,360
Quarterly.

2405
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:03,560
And yeah, in addition.

2406
02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:04,920
Excuse me, go ahead.

2407
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:06,640
In addition to their.

2408
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:09,200
Because there was already 1 manufactured home.

2409
02:31:09,320 --> 02:31:10,320
On the property.

2410
02:31:10,520 --> 02:31:11,320
So the.

2411
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:13,680
Just another one on there.

2412
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:15,880
Sharing will sharing one? Well, yes.

2413
02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:18,800
And state engineers office is permitted.

2414
02:31:19,800 --> 02:31:21,600
Yes, it got accepted.

2415
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:22,960
Of the paperwork here.

2416
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:24,520
You have a permit.

2417
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:26,280
Yeah, I have the permit right here.

2418
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:27,520
Thank you.

2419
02:31:29,020 --> 02:31:30,140
I have no further comments.

2420
02:31:31,870 --> 02:31:34,170
All right, Lupita.

2421
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:37,320
Do you have anything you'd like to add to this and present?

2422
02:31:37,440 --> 02:31:38,560
Recommendation.

2423
02:31:48,520 --> 02:31:51,680
Yes, please raise your right hand.

2424
02:31:52,590 --> 02:31:58,490
All right. Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give is based on personal knowledge and is true and correct?

2425
02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:01,400
To the best of your knowledge and under penalty of law.

2426
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:02,400
I do.

2427
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:03,330
Thank you.

2428
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:04,200
Please proceed.

2429
02:32:05,080 --> 02:32:10,480
So the information was already presented to you guys. We do have all of the permitting paperwork that was submitted to us.

2430
02:32:10,760 --> 02:32:16,480
Based on the requirements and the parameters of the variance section of Ordinance 75, he does meet.

2431
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:18,560
What we asked for.

2432
02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:22,000
Qualify for this variance. So I do recommend granting this variance.

2433
02:32:23,610 --> 02:32:31,090
May I ask what differentiates this request for a variance from others? What is different about this one?

2434
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:37,187
So our ordinance specifically asks for there to be a main dwelling on the property which is his home. And then it asks for a

2435
02:32:37,187 --> 02:32:42,654
second home to be brought in as an accessory structure and it has to be less than 50% the size of the main dwelling, which this

2436
02:32:42,654 --> 02:32:48,121
one also is and it also asks for it to be.

2437
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:51,400
For the caretaking of an immediate family member.

2438
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:58,480
Which his parents qualify as immediate family members. So those are the main requirements of our variance section of Ordinance 75.

2439
02:32:59,300 --> 02:33:00,730
And he meets both of those.

2440
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:04,120
And the paperwork was submitted for the medical.

2441
02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:07,040
From the local licensed medical practitioner.

2442
02:33:08,340 --> 02:33:08,930
All right.

2443
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:11,480
So your recommendation is?

2444
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:13,560
To vote for this.

2445
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:16,840
All right. Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

2446
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:23,640
Any questions from that we should have?

2447
02:33:25,090 --> 02:33:26,090
I have one on.

2448
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,600
Either of you have any questions?

2449
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:29,560
Make a motion.

2450
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:33,040
OK. Thank you. That's where we're going next. I appreciate that.

2451
02:33:33,440 --> 02:33:36,840
So you've made a motion. May I have a second, please? Second that motion.

2452
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:37,960
Roll call vote.

2453
02:33:39,430 --> 02:33:41,050
Commissioner Trejo, Yes.

2454
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:43,120
Chair Harvey, Yes.

2455
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:44,320
Commissioner Chandler.

2456
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:46,000
Yes, motion passes.

2457
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,160
All right, Thank you. Thank you, Christian. Thank you.

2458
02:33:50,010 --> 02:33:53,490
All right, let me see where we are. This has been a long day, everybody.

2459
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:56,160
We're now moving on to.

2460
02:33:56,840 --> 02:33:58,080
A public hearing.

2461
02:33:58,320 --> 02:34:00,080
And they request.

2462
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:03,480
For resolution 2670 resolution.

2463
02:34:04,450 --> 02:34:05,890
Approving the issuance.

2464
02:34:07,350 --> 02:34:11,170
Of a tax revenue bond not to exceed 1,100,000.

2465
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:16,800
By the public finance authority for the purpose of financing certain healthcare facilities for the benefit of.

2466
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:20,920
QKA Health Corporation, BBA Health side.

2467
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:21,760
Partners.

2468
02:34:26,530 --> 02:34:28,530
Find the appropriate paper here.

2469
02:34:40,650 --> 02:34:41,330
Well, Carol?

2470
02:34:41,440 --> 02:34:42,440
Sex. All right.

2471
02:34:43,250 --> 02:34:44,730
At this time I call.

2472
02:34:44,840 --> 02:34:47,800
For the public hearing to continue consideration.

2473
02:34:47,960 --> 02:34:51,840
Earth, excuse me, can well continue consideration of resolution 26.

2474
02:34:53,660 --> 02:34:58,175
70 relating to the authorization pre issuance of a tax exempt revenue bond for the financing of certain healthcare facilities,

2475
02:34:58,175 --> 02:35:02,690
namely Members Memorial Hospital.

2476
02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:07,960
The requirements for a public hearing are to protect the interests of all parties and to provide interested parties a reasonable

2477
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:12,200
opportunity to submit comments and data Underoath.

2478
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:16,500
Subject to cross examination to have record of these proceedings and to ensure a fair hearing, including the disclosure of any

2479
02:35:16,500 --> 02:35:20,440
conflicts of interest.

2480
02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:26,890
Do any of the Commissioners wish to abstain or disclose an ex parte communications with the applicant?

2481
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:28,400
Or conflicts of interest.

2482
02:35:30,970 --> 02:35:32,410
No, no, Madam.

2483
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:38,240
All right. Thank you. Well, all persons who wish to appear and offer testimony, evidence or a public comment.

2484
02:35:39,240 --> 02:35:41,720
Please sign in or are you signed in?

2485
02:35:42,580 --> 02:35:43,970
Carol Yeah, no.

2486
02:35:50,600 --> 02:35:51,360
Thank you.

2487
02:35:51,800 --> 02:35:57,800
Raise your right hand. Let's, let's we're supposed to swear everybody at the same time.

2488
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:00,920
So anybody else you can speak swear in the same time?

2489
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:01,920
Other just two.

2490
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:08,040
All right, you both have your right hands raised. Do you swear that the testimony you were about to give.

2491
02:36:08,400 --> 02:36:13,840
Is based on personal knowledge and is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge under penalty of law.

2492
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:14,840
I do.

2493
02:36:15,480 --> 02:36:16,240
Thank you both.

2494
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:17,680
All right.

2495
02:36:18,480 --> 02:36:20,760
It's really a question that I have.

2496
02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:22,400
As a taxpayer.

2497
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:24,760
Uh, if you're.

2498
02:36:24,880 --> 02:36:27,680
Issuing tax exempt revenue bonds.

2499
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:33,040
How am I as a taxpayer going to be responsible?

2500
02:36:34,360 --> 02:36:36,400
If they don't make it, I mean.

2501
02:36:36,600 --> 02:36:38,120
This hospital hasn't.

2502
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:39,600
Had a real good.

2503
02:36:40,200 --> 02:36:41,040
Track record.

2504
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:43,520
And so our.

2505
02:36:43,960 --> 02:36:47,160
What's what's our responsibility as taxpayers if?

2506
02:36:47,400 --> 02:36:48,560
This goes under.

2507
02:36:49,500 --> 02:36:52,850
All right. I'm going to ask Chuck to come up and answer that question, please.

2508
02:36:56,130 --> 02:36:57,170
That's my old question.

2509
02:36:57,640 --> 02:36:58,370
Thank you.

2510
02:36:59,690 --> 02:37:03,330
And the next step is the applicant's presentation, which I'll be presenting.

2511
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:06,160
All right, this is for members Memorial Hospital.

2512
02:37:06,600 --> 02:37:07,640
They will be.

2513
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:12,520
Transferring transforming from a for profit entity to a nonprofit entity.

2514
02:37:12,840 --> 02:37:15,880
And these bonds much like the industrial revenue bonds.

2515
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:17,560
Will not be our responsibility.

2516
02:37:17,640 --> 02:37:18,770
They'll be issued.

2517
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:21,200
Privately sold on the market.

2518
02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:29,120
And paid for or covered by the company. We have nothing other than we have to prove it as an entity in which the hospital exists.

2519
02:37:30,580 --> 02:37:31,610
So that can answer.

2520
02:37:32,430 --> 02:37:33,270
Carol's question.

2521
02:37:35,150 --> 02:37:37,890
All right. Thank you, Carol, your question is answered is that?

2522
02:37:38,320 --> 02:37:38,920
Adequate.

2523
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:39,810
Thank you.

2524
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:45,080
So that was the presentation you made it on behalf of?

2525
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:48,040
The hospital QK Yes, all right.

2526
02:37:49,390 --> 02:37:52,410
OK. Are there any questions from the commissioners?

2527
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:53,840
No, Madam Chair.

2528
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:55,200
All right.

2529
02:37:56,080 --> 02:38:00,280
And you're the County Attorney, so I assume you have no questions after your presentation?

2530
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:01,880
Why do I do this?

2531
02:38:03,690 --> 02:38:04,730
We are glad that you do, Sir.

2532
02:38:10,570 --> 02:38:11,690
Staff recommendation.

2533
02:38:11,960 --> 02:38:15,000
Yeah. So we just move forward and staff recommendations and.

2534
02:38:15,440 --> 02:38:18,120
And we wholeheartedly recommend approval of this this will.

2535
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:22,560
Enable our hospital to continue operating as a sole source in our community.

2536
02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:25,840
And we'll provide them additional funds to expand and improve services.

2537
02:38:27,340 --> 02:38:30,210
Do we have any idea, Chuck, when this would be?

2538
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:33,440
Accomplished. I mean providing everything moves as.

2539
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:37,200
Smoothly as possible, which rarely ever happens anymore.

2540
02:38:37,560 --> 02:38:41,080
Is it something that would start in the year? 2 years? Five years?

2541
02:38:42,040 --> 02:38:48,920
It once it's approved, this is the federal statute, it's called Tephra. It's the Tax Equity and Responsibility Act.

2542
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:53,560
So this is getting notice to the public letting know this is going to happen.

2543
02:38:53,880 --> 02:38:56,800
Once they get that from all the other entities because.

2544
02:38:57,360 --> 02:39:03,120
The hospital corporation is huge. They've got 10 or 11 hospitals. So once they have all those gathered, then they'll issue the

2545
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:08,880
$1.1 billion in bonds, sell them, then they'll go after that. So.

2546
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:11,600
I would say a year is probably not unreasonable.

2547
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:14,240
All right. Thank you.

2548
02:39:17,240 --> 02:39:18,800
Is it? I'm sorry.

2549
02:39:19,440 --> 02:39:20,560
Can you all hear me? Is it?

2550
02:39:22,110 --> 02:39:26,900
Yes. Could you please tell us who you are, please? I'm, I'm sorry, my name is Alan Robertson. I'm a lawyer at Robinson, Bradshaw

2551
02:39:26,900 --> 02:39:31,690
and Henson in Charlotte, NC and.

2552
02:39:32,280 --> 02:39:34,760
We're serving as bond counsel for these bonds.

2553
02:39:35,480 --> 02:39:37,840
And in terms of timing?

2554
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:39,920
The goal is to.

2555
02:39:41,080 --> 02:39:43,040
Issue the bonds, hopefully.

2556
02:39:43,960 --> 02:39:44,880
Later this year.

2557
02:39:45,080 --> 02:39:48,560
So that in terms of timing that the goal is to try to get it done.

2558
02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:50,720
In the November, December.

2559
02:39:50,920 --> 02:39:51,520
Time frame.

2560
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:53,880
It may take a little longer, but.

2561
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,120
But hopefully in the November, December timeframe.

2562
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:59,530
Thank you, I appreciate your comment.

2563
02:40:00,940 --> 02:40:03,930
So that's all the discussion on this. Is that correct, Chuck?

2564
02:40:04,040 --> 02:40:05,200
Unless there's any questions.

2565
02:40:05,880 --> 02:40:06,640
I have none.

2566
02:40:07,320 --> 02:40:11,720
Hearing none from my fellow commissioners at this time, I'm closing public comment and bringing back.

2567
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:13,800
Bring it back to the Commission.

2568
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:18,400
Is there any Commissioner prepared to make a motion or request?

2569
02:40:19,400 --> 02:40:21,760
Or is there a motion to go into close?

2570
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:23,800
Session for deliberations.

2571
02:40:23,880 --> 02:40:26,360
Pursuant to section 1015.

2572
02:40:27,160 --> 02:40:31,400
One H3. NMSA 1978.

2573
02:40:34,120 --> 02:40:37,640
I would like to make a motion that we go ahead and accept this resolution.

2574
02:40:38,470 --> 02:40:39,370
I'll second that.

2575
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:42,000
All right. May we have a roll call vote please?

2576
02:40:42,990 --> 02:40:44,650
Commissioner Trejo, Yes.

2577
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:46,480
Chair Harvey, Yes.

2578
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:47,800
Commissioner Chandler.

2579
02:40:47,880 --> 02:40:48,520
Yes.

2580
02:40:48,600 --> 02:40:49,640
Motion passes.

2581
02:40:49,720 --> 02:40:50,760
All right. Thank you.

2582
02:40:55,320 --> 02:40:56,040
All right.

2583
02:40:56,920 --> 02:40:59,600
We're now moving into Item 10, old business.

2584
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:00,520
Public hearing.

2585
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:07,880
A continuance of the variance request for Luna County property allow temporary residents and RV until mobile home purchase.

2586
02:41:08,440 --> 02:41:10,960
This is Charles and Yvonne Winsel.

2587
02:41:16,100 --> 02:41:17,100
That'd be fine.

2588
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:20,520
The next group up here please.

2589
02:41:22,710 --> 02:41:24,090
Just one second, please.

2590
02:41:26,480 --> 02:41:27,610
At this time.

2591
02:41:28,320 --> 02:41:35,620
I call a public hearing to continue consideration of a request for variance by Charles and Yvonne Winsel seeking a variance to

2592
02:41:35,620 --> 02:41:42,920
allow the applicant to be able to continue to live in their RV at 6080 Camino Real Rd. SE.

2593
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:46,640
Until they are able to save money to buy a mobile home.

2594
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:51,480
The variance process is pursuant to Ordinance 75, section 3.7.

2595
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:59,040
This matter was originally called for public hearing on August 13, 2026 and tabled until this meeting.

2596
02:41:59,560 --> 02:42:03,520
The requirements for a public hearing are to protect the interests of all parties and.

2597
02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:05,040
Bide interested persons.

2598
02:42:05,400 --> 02:42:09,000
A reasonable opportunity to submit comments and data underoath.

2599
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,360
And subject to cross examination.

2600
02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:14,680
To have those records, to have a record of those proceedings.

2601
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:20,320
And to ensure a fair hearing, including the disclosure of any conflicts of interest.

2602
02:42:20,640 --> 02:42:26,000
Do any of the Commissioners wish to abstain or disclose any ex parte communications?

2603
02:42:26,080 --> 02:42:29,000
With the applicants or conflicts of interest.

2604
02:42:31,330 --> 02:42:33,090
I guess do I need to disclose?

2605
02:42:33,560 --> 02:42:34,680
They did call me.

2606
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:36,280
Boy, pardon me.

2607
02:42:36,480 --> 02:42:37,760
Do I need to disclose it?

2608
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:40,800
They did call me and actually had a conversation with them.

2609
02:42:42,120 --> 02:42:49,160
I'm not sure about that, but I'll disclose something I visited after our last conversation at the Winslows.

2610
02:42:49,310 --> 02:42:56,000
Because I wanted to see the property that lived on and have a discussion with them and try to thoroughly understand the situation.

2611
02:42:56,110 --> 02:42:58,870
Following the tabling at the last.

2612
02:43:00,350 --> 02:43:01,870
At the last meeting.

2613
02:43:02,430 --> 02:43:04,070
Do you have anything that you want to add?

2614
02:43:05,440 --> 02:43:07,480
I too received a phone call.

2615
02:43:08,190 --> 02:43:08,950
Which is.

2616
02:43:09,910 --> 02:43:12,230
You know, happens.

2617
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:13,350
OK.

2618
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:16,430
That they should probably come and present.

2619
02:43:16,710 --> 02:43:19,030
Today. All right, that's great.

2620
02:43:19,310 --> 02:43:23,790
Now that everyone who wishes to participate has signed in, have you all signed in?

2621
02:43:24,350 --> 02:43:28,030
All right, I ask that each of you please raise your right hand, including.

2622
02:43:28,760 --> 02:43:29,200
OK.

2623
02:43:30,110 --> 02:43:32,390
OK. I'm sorry I'm not seeing you over there, Chuck.

2624
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:35,710
You're raising your right hand. You wish to be sworn in.

2625
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:37,440
All right.

2626
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:42,440
All right, we're ready to go here. Oath. Do you swear?

2627
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:46,150
That the testimony you are about to give is based on personal knowledge and is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge

2628
02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:49,750
under penalty of law.

2629
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:53,760
Ma'am.

2630
02:43:55,110 --> 02:43:56,430
All right. Thank you, Chuck.

2631
02:43:56,670 --> 02:43:57,390
Thank you, Sir.

2632
02:43:57,470 --> 02:43:58,390
I appreciate it.

2633
02:43:59,070 --> 02:44:05,070
All right, well, the applicants now present a brief summary of their requests of the ground supporting their request.

2634
02:44:10,950 --> 02:44:12,230
I'm coming, I'm coming.

2635
02:44:12,990 --> 02:44:14,750
I can't hear you guys, Faren.

2636
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:18,950
Whoever is going to speak, please get directly in front of the microphone.

2637
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:22,190
OK, I'll make it short and sweet.

2638
02:44:22,750 --> 02:44:25,270
I've talked to you either in person.

2639
02:44:25,390 --> 02:44:26,510
On the phone.

2640
02:44:26,710 --> 02:44:30,310
We've handed you the paperwork, you know, the medical stuff.

2641
02:44:31,410 --> 02:44:32,210
And.

2642
02:44:34,390 --> 02:44:35,510
We can't move.

2643
02:44:35,670 --> 02:44:40,390
There there is no way right now we can move since we just purchased all that property.

2644
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:41,350
OK, umm.

2645
02:44:45,190 --> 02:44:46,830
And I know we have a really.

2646
02:44:46,990 --> 02:44:52,550
Crabby neighbor 2 miles South of us that it causes us a lot of problems.

2647
02:44:54,590 --> 02:44:58,390
And there's nothing. And I apologize to everybody for him.

2648
02:44:59,390 --> 02:45:00,830
He is a pain in the ****.

2649
02:45:01,190 --> 02:45:01,670
But uh.

2650
02:45:01,950 --> 02:45:07,790
No matter how much this man complaints and we know that we're not supposed to be there in a camper.

2651
02:45:08,810 --> 02:45:11,320
But there's nothing we can do at this time.

2652
02:45:12,760 --> 02:45:14,000
So we're stuck.

2653
02:45:16,710 --> 02:45:17,510
You can.

2654
02:45:18,910 --> 02:45:20,040
Tell us again.

2655
02:45:20,150 --> 02:45:21,830
The reason why you can't move?

2656
02:45:22,190 --> 02:45:23,430
In terms of medical?

2657
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:25,230
If you feel.

2658
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:28,190
Buy a property.

2659
02:45:28,270 --> 02:45:29,310
Please speak into the mic.

2660
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:30,390
So we can hear you.

2661
02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:34,310
We were going to buy a piece of property half mile down the road.

2662
02:45:34,430 --> 02:45:36,110
And we had a year lease on it.

2663
02:45:36,890 --> 02:45:38,330
Halfway through the.

2664
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:43,190
The people that owned the property decided not to sell it to it.

2665
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:45,800
So then, Doctor Louise.

2666
02:45:45,910 --> 02:45:49,310
We had moved back to the property we were on originally.

2667
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:51,590
And we were renting that property.

2668
02:45:52,150 --> 02:45:54,350
Then we decided to buy the property.

2669
02:45:55,290 --> 02:45:57,160
But we have to rent.

2670
02:45:58,340 --> 02:45:59,960
And now we just need enough time.

2671
02:46:00,110 --> 02:46:04,710
The save up money to buy a manufactured home to put on the property.

2672
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:07,840
That and.

2673
02:46:09,930 --> 02:46:14,160
And with all of Charles's medical problems and you have all of the records.

2674
02:46:15,790 --> 02:46:19,870
Um, I mean we get up at 7:00 in the morning and fence off the property, you know, so we can keep the four Wheelers and the

2675
02:46:19,870 --> 02:46:23,950
truckers and stuff off the our new land.

2676
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:28,910
But by 9:00, he's in, in, in the camper with the oxygen.

2677
02:46:30,020 --> 02:46:34,400
I don't know how it's going to be when Fall gets here, if we can work a little bit more.

2678
02:46:34,910 --> 02:46:35,390
But.

2679
02:46:36,900 --> 02:46:38,640
I'm not Hawking our property.

2680
02:46:38,750 --> 02:46:39,630
For anybody.

2681
02:46:40,740 --> 02:46:43,360
Because Chuck only has a few more years to live.

2682
02:46:45,240 --> 02:46:49,280
And I want to know that I have a piece of property I can live on.

2683
02:46:49,710 --> 02:46:51,870
And no bank can come in and say.

2684
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:55,030
Well, you can't make the payment, so we're taking it away.

2685
02:46:56,140 --> 02:46:57,240
That's not going to happen.

2686
02:47:01,740 --> 02:47:02,520
And that's it.

2687
02:47:04,390 --> 02:47:06,990
I hate living there too because it's a pain in the ****.

2688
02:47:07,730 --> 02:47:09,560
And I even had a wise man.

2689
02:47:10,190 --> 02:47:13,950
Tell me to try to ignore the guy that lives down the street from us.

2690
02:47:14,430 --> 02:47:21,150
That has been such a pain in the **** to us and other people, residents, because he doesn't like how we live.

2691
02:47:21,990 --> 02:47:22,630
And.

2692
02:47:24,270 --> 02:47:25,870
Don't hold this against me, but.

2693
02:47:25,990 --> 02:47:31,470
This very nice gentleman said, you know when he goes by and he stops and he'll take pictures and he'll look.

2694
02:47:31,550 --> 02:47:33,590
Just flip them off a few times.

2695
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:36,470
And if you would know.

2696
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:39,240
Much after what, 4 1/2 years?

2697
02:47:39,390 --> 02:47:40,510
That made me feel.

2698
02:47:40,910 --> 02:47:41,630
Terrific.

2699
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:43,270
Because I've never done it.

2700
02:47:43,630 --> 02:47:46,510
We've always wave at people. We're nice to people.

2701
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:47,790
I try to try to.

2702
02:47:47,950 --> 02:47:49,870
Our yard isn't junky.

2703
02:47:50,190 --> 02:47:52,310
You can ask this very nice lady.

2704
02:47:52,750 --> 02:47:54,070
Because she's been out there.

2705
02:47:57,020 --> 02:48:00,360
But we just need a little time and that's all we're asking.

2706
02:48:04,020 --> 02:48:04,720
Thank you.

2707
02:48:05,070 --> 02:48:07,270
Thank you. I appreciate your testimony.

2708
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:10,760
Chuck, are you presenting for the county?

2709
02:48:12,540 --> 02:48:14,160
I'm going any questions first.

2710
02:48:14,350 --> 02:48:15,350
That's the next step.

2711
02:48:16,400 --> 02:48:19,080
Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah. Pardon me. Are there any I need?

2712
02:48:19,190 --> 02:48:21,350
Questions from our commissioners or comments?

2713
02:48:22,840 --> 02:48:26,640
Yeah, a question because it was presented to me that.

2714
02:48:28,750 --> 02:48:30,310
You happen to be a veteran.

2715
02:48:30,710 --> 02:48:32,990
Yes. Is that true? OK.

2716
02:48:33,230 --> 02:48:34,350
And so have we.

2717
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:37,230
Examined and looked at.

2718
02:48:38,440 --> 02:48:39,560
Veterans.

2719
02:48:40,070 --> 02:48:41,670
Offerings for.

2720
02:48:43,430 --> 02:48:44,670
Apparently is.

2721
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:46,110
Part of the medical.

2722
02:48:46,270 --> 02:48:49,030
Is because now we have this new.

2723
02:48:49,270 --> 02:48:51,750
Tax that we've just passed recently.

2724
02:48:51,870 --> 02:48:53,390
That people who are.

2725
02:48:53,870 --> 02:48:56,510
Disabled, according to the veterans.

2726
02:48:56,630 --> 02:48:58,350
That there would be an ex.

2727
02:48:58,910 --> 02:49:01,070
Would they be free from paying taxes?

2728
02:49:01,190 --> 02:49:01,830
And.

2729
02:49:02,230 --> 02:49:07,070
I just wondered if that had been pursued or if any of the VA benefits.

2730
02:49:07,150 --> 02:49:10,190
And opportunities that are afforded to people who were.

2731
02:49:10,430 --> 02:49:14,030
Part of the veteran services, if any of that, have been explored.

2732
02:49:15,220 --> 02:49:15,740
No.

2733
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:21,800
No, not that I know of.

2734
02:49:23,390 --> 02:49:24,910
Because I ask you about.

2735
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:28,030
VA loans and stuff like that.

2736
02:49:28,110 --> 02:49:32,950
Or yeah, just any services or help that they could give you medically or according to their loan? Well, 90% disabled, which I get

2737
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:37,790
benefits for that.

2738
02:49:39,220 --> 02:49:40,200
You have been.

2739
02:49:40,470 --> 02:49:42,790
Labeled by the veterans as disabled.

2740
02:49:43,070 --> 02:49:44,150
Right, 90%.

2741
02:49:44,970 --> 02:49:45,920
90%.

2742
02:49:46,390 --> 02:49:50,550
OK. And then have we asked them about any loan offerings?

2743
02:49:50,670 --> 02:49:52,030
Because in talking with.

2744
02:49:52,750 --> 02:49:55,430
I know I gave you the number for a Daniel Rosales.

2745
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:59,550
From I went into the American Legion here and got his number and.

2746
02:49:59,790 --> 02:50:03,590
Talked with him and told him this is the issue, this is the problem.

2747
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:05,110
Can you guys help?

2748
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:09,350
And I gave that number to your wife on the phone.

2749
02:50:09,430 --> 02:50:10,070
And.

2750
02:50:10,470 --> 02:50:12,200
He said that he would help.

2751
02:50:12,310 --> 02:50:15,270
That likely he was he.

2752
02:50:15,430 --> 02:50:16,390
Stated that.

2753
02:50:16,510 --> 02:50:20,950
It would likely take 123 days to get all the way through the process.

2754
02:50:21,190 --> 02:50:21,910
But.

2755
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:26,070
123 days that he's very 123.

2756
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:28,800
He's very adamant that.

2757
02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:32,510
For what the veterans are really good about doing that.

2758
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:37,990
Going through, please let Colette finish her questions so that you all can hear what she's saying.

2759
02:50:38,190 --> 02:50:41,030
If we went through the V8, they've already approved us.

2760
02:50:41,270 --> 02:50:42,350
For a certain amount.

2761
02:50:42,470 --> 02:50:45,190
But the VA will not loan you anything.

2762
02:50:45,310 --> 02:50:45,910
Or.

2763
02:50:45,990 --> 02:50:48,350
Or the amount that they allow you.

2764
02:50:48,470 --> 02:50:53,390
If you, you know, get your house foreclosed, that's when the government will come in and say we'll give you this money.

2765
02:50:53,470 --> 02:50:54,830
They won't do it on a mobile home.

2766
02:50:56,780 --> 02:50:58,640
So we have to do this on our own.

2767
02:51:00,330 --> 02:51:02,560
And we've known about this.

2768
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:03,990
For a long time.

2769
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:07,550
They approved him for $31,000.

2770
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:10,910
$31,000 won't even put it down payment on a house.

2771
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:14,160
That'll be about cement.

2772
02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:18,790
So our our goal is hopefully within a year.

2773
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:20,630
We will be able to.

2774
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:22,910
Bring a mobile home on the property.

2775
02:51:24,710 --> 02:51:25,550
I'm hoping.

2776
02:51:25,630 --> 02:51:26,270
A year.

2777
02:51:27,580 --> 02:51:28,560
If he's still alive.

2778
02:51:31,550 --> 02:51:36,930
I've got a I've got a question when I had the pleasure of visiting with you both and and understanding better the plight that

2779
02:51:36,930 --> 02:51:42,310
you're going through. I also recommended that you get a hold of veteran organizations to see.

2780
02:51:42,470 --> 02:51:46,750
If there was any help that could be provided, have you been able to do that?

2781
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:48,110
Yes, I did.

2782
02:51:48,920 --> 02:51:51,320
And you gave me a guy that he's talking with the mic.

2783
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:54,830
Could you please? You gave me a guy that was on vacation.

2784
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:59,230
So I'm just waiting on a phone call back.

2785
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:04,520
You know, if I have to, I just whip out a credit card and go buy a mobile home and then.

2786
02:52:04,590 --> 02:52:07,750
Then, well, we won't even be able to breathe.

2787
02:52:08,920 --> 02:52:11,040
You know if I did something like this?

2788
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,320
And it's, you know, we just bought the property.

2789
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:17,960
And I really.

2790
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:21,150
Can't really afford to go back into depth.

2791
02:52:22,610 --> 02:52:25,800
And when we we took everything that we had and and.

2792
02:52:25,870 --> 02:52:27,110
Workout 60 grand.

2793
02:52:29,400 --> 02:52:30,600
And that's it.

2794
02:52:31,710 --> 02:52:38,470
I mean my now you know, when we went to see his heart doctor last week was I got excited because we have to go to Wienerschnitzel.

2795
02:52:39,390 --> 02:52:39,830
You know.

2796
02:52:41,630 --> 02:52:43,190
So we're.

2797
02:52:43,270 --> 02:52:45,110
We're sort of, you know, because we just.

2798
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:47,350
Bought this land like 2 months ago.

2799
02:52:47,870 --> 02:52:50,190
And we're trying to make the best of it.

2800
02:52:52,780 --> 02:53:01,580
So and it's not as if we don't have sewer, water, electric and we own 4 parcels so we don't have immediate neighbors.

2801
02:53:01,790 --> 02:53:04,270
You know we own the whole corner from street to St.

2802
02:53:04,470 --> 02:53:05,390
And behind.

2803
02:53:05,950 --> 02:53:06,830
So nobody.

2804
02:53:06,950 --> 02:53:10,630
You know, as far as the neighbors saying, well, we don't like how you live.

2805
02:53:10,750 --> 02:53:11,990
Because we don't have anybody.

2806
02:53:13,650 --> 02:53:17,485
Well, you mentioned during our visit and you just mentioned now that you bought, I think it was a total of 8 acres of land. That's

2807
02:53:17,485 --> 02:53:21,320
a total of what you have now.

2808
02:53:21,550 --> 02:53:26,030
Right. That's what we were told. We only knew of the two acres from.

2809
02:53:26,470 --> 02:53:28,030
From Rock County to.

2810
02:53:28,470 --> 02:53:32,710
So I think it's Stagecoach and we own, you know, the land that's in the front.

2811
02:53:33,420 --> 02:53:35,480
And that corner lot where they used to have the.

2812
02:53:35,590 --> 02:53:38,430
The dumpsters and we owned the land behind us.

2813
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:40,630
We were not aware of until.

2814
02:53:40,910 --> 02:53:43,800
Code enforcement explained to us that.

2815
02:53:44,270 --> 02:53:45,350
The guy also.

2816
02:53:46,740 --> 02:53:48,960
Had. Let's see what would be.

2817
02:53:49,510 --> 02:53:51,030
Six other acres.

2818
02:53:51,310 --> 02:53:52,270
On our deed.

2819
02:53:53,740 --> 02:53:55,320
We we didn't know about it.

2820
02:53:56,710 --> 02:53:59,590
Right. You thought you ended up we could eventually.

2821
02:53:59,710 --> 02:54:06,710
Once we talked to the guy that we bought the property from and say, did you know that you gave us this property when we.

2822
02:54:06,790 --> 02:54:07,590
Bought it.

2823
02:54:07,790 --> 02:54:10,230
Because the courthouse says it's legal. It's ours.

2824
02:54:10,510 --> 02:54:12,230
I'll turn around and put it up for sale.

2825
02:54:12,350 --> 02:54:13,870
And then we'll go for a mobile.

2826
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:18,120
But I I have to be fair to the person.

2827
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:18,790
That.

2828
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:21,630
So does the property and.

2829
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:24,590
Know if he actually knows that he did this.

2830
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:27,630
I'm not going to screw somebody.

2831
02:54:28,540 --> 02:54:31,000
At all. That's that's not what we're here for.

2832
02:54:32,770 --> 02:54:36,810
All right. I've got some questions that I'm going to ask some of our County Attorney.

2833
02:54:37,230 --> 02:54:40,950
Is there anything further that you want to add to what you've told us, please?

2834
02:54:41,690 --> 02:54:43,280
But what I didn't hear?

2835
02:54:43,390 --> 02:54:45,270
So let's know there's anything else to add.

2836
02:54:45,350 --> 02:54:46,950
No, I just want to.

2837
02:54:48,050 --> 02:54:52,400
Get done being nervous up here in front of everybody and I want to go home like everybody else.

2838
02:54:53,370 --> 02:54:55,520
I thank you though for your time everybody.

2839
02:54:56,230 --> 02:54:58,430
Thank you both. OK, appreciate.

2840
02:54:58,550 --> 02:55:04,310
Chuck, could you come up and present the county's position, please? And no, ma'am.

2841
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:07,430
I have the opportunity to ask them questions first.

2842
02:55:07,950 --> 02:55:09,510
Then I'll make my presentation.

2843
02:55:10,270 --> 02:55:11,950
All right. Do you want to ask a question, Sir?

2844
02:55:12,390 --> 02:55:12,990
Yes, ma'am.

2845
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:13,950
Yes, please. Please.

2846
02:55:16,490 --> 02:55:17,760
And either one of you can answer.

2847
02:55:17,990 --> 02:55:20,830
You say you purchased the property approximately 2 months ago.

2848
02:55:21,430 --> 02:55:22,030
Yes.

2849
02:55:22,310 --> 02:55:23,830
Have you recorded that deed yet?

2850
02:55:24,110 --> 02:55:24,350
Yep.

2851
02:55:25,630 --> 02:55:28,350
OK. Do you have the recording number? Can you get that for us?

2852
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:29,870
I have it out in the truck.

2853
02:55:30,150 --> 02:55:33,600
OK. And did you report the sale to the Assessor's office?

2854
02:55:34,110 --> 02:55:35,590
To The Who.

2855
02:55:36,110 --> 02:55:36,710
Oh yeah.

2856
02:55:39,330 --> 02:55:45,320
OK. And then when you bought the property, were you given a copy of the covenants and restrictions that apply to the property?

2857
02:55:47,740 --> 02:55:50,640
Did we get a copy of Restrictions and Covenants?

2858
02:55:50,750 --> 02:55:52,110
When we bought the property.

2859
02:55:53,010 --> 02:55:54,320
That I don't know.

2860
02:55:55,570 --> 02:55:58,320
We were told when we first moved out there.

2861
02:55:59,550 --> 02:56:01,350
That since nobody.

2862
02:56:02,490 --> 02:56:05,040
I think it was 1983.

2863
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:06,550
Was when the the.

2864
02:56:08,010 --> 02:56:11,440
Variances or whatever was out there in those estates.

2865
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:18,040
There were null and void because none of the original people would go to.

2866
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:21,750
The meetings or anything that they established in 19.

2867
02:56:22,770 --> 02:56:25,280
Always said it was 25 years they had.

2868
02:56:25,470 --> 02:56:27,630
So just take away 25 years.

2869
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:31,150
So we understand that there's no.

2870
02:56:32,070 --> 02:56:33,950
No restrictions out there right now.

2871
02:56:35,170 --> 02:56:37,840
OK, so you were made aware, but you believe there?

2872
02:56:37,950 --> 02:56:38,710
Void.

2873
02:56:41,230 --> 02:56:42,630
Mr. Boyd.

2874
02:56:42,950 --> 02:56:44,470
Restrictions were avoided.

2875
02:56:44,590 --> 02:56:45,230
Oh yeah.

2876
02:56:45,310 --> 02:56:46,990
We knew that before we moved out there.

2877
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:50,280
OK, the final question I have is.

2878
02:56:50,390 --> 02:56:52,800
You said someone in the courthouse told you that.

2879
02:56:52,990 --> 02:56:55,150
The property is yours and it's legal.

2880
02:56:55,430 --> 02:56:56,230
Who was that?

2881
02:56:58,190 --> 02:56:59,470
Data property was that.

2882
02:57:00,030 --> 02:57:02,670
The county clerk. Oh yeah, we went to the clerk.

2883
02:57:02,910 --> 02:57:07,470
And the owner went to the clerk and then we went upstairs to the lady and she recorded it all. She took the information down she

2884
02:57:07,470 --> 02:57:12,030
gave us.

2885
02:57:13,390 --> 02:57:15,070
A diagram of all like.

2886
02:57:15,190 --> 02:57:18,110
The estates out there that have like, you know, like you're in.

2887
02:57:18,310 --> 02:57:20,950
Lot #1 but your property is like.

2888
02:57:21,030 --> 02:57:23,110
46 and 47.

2889
02:57:23,710 --> 02:57:27,910
She gave us all that stuff. It wasn't until we went to a hearing.

2890
02:57:29,270 --> 02:57:34,790
At the magistrates office about as living in our camper out there, that Manny, you know.

2891
02:57:34,870 --> 02:57:36,350
Code enforcement had to go.

2892
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:37,390
And.

2893
02:57:38,270 --> 02:57:40,950
He was the one that come up to us and said.

2894
02:57:41,070 --> 02:57:43,150
Why did you buy 8 acres?

2895
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:45,990
And I said.

2896
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:47,800
Maybe I don't like neighbors.

2897
02:57:48,270 --> 02:57:51,710
And I said I I didn't want to feel stupid in front of.

2898
02:57:51,790 --> 02:57:52,950
All you guys now.

2899
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:58,430
So we went straight to the clerk's office right after we had the hearing.

2900
02:57:58,910 --> 02:58:01,910
And we went upstairs and the lady and I have the.

2901
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:03,630
Paperwork out in the truck.

2902
02:58:04,110 --> 02:58:06,390
She took an orange marker and she marked.

2903
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:08,310
All this extra land.

2904
02:58:08,990 --> 02:58:10,110
That when?

2905
02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:12,150
The previous owner.

2906
02:58:12,230 --> 02:58:13,350
Bought it from.

2907
02:58:13,510 --> 02:58:14,550
Those people.

2908
02:58:15,070 --> 02:58:19,070
I knew that he had picked up another acre down Stirrup Rd.

2909
02:58:19,270 --> 02:58:21,470
But we were not aware of.

2910
02:58:23,640 --> 02:58:24,600
The other.

2911
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:29,270
10 lots which came to five acres that was 3 streets down.

2912
02:58:30,460 --> 02:58:31,400
Going down the right.

2913
02:58:32,220 --> 02:58:34,800
From where we live off of Camino Real.

2914
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:37,270
I asked her. I says.

2915
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:43,390
Am I going to pay property taxes for all this stuff? And she said yes, you are legally the owner.

2916
02:58:43,870 --> 02:58:44,750
With this.

2917
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:47,830
Because when I found our paperwork after we.

2918
02:58:47,950 --> 02:58:50,230
Came here and we we purchased it.

2919
02:58:50,470 --> 02:58:53,310
Gave gave the previous owner all the money.

2920
02:58:53,630 --> 02:58:57,430
And I noticed that there was a lot more lots.

2921
02:58:57,790 --> 02:58:59,390
On our title.

2922
02:59:00,030 --> 02:59:03,430
And we were so busy out there moving.

2923
02:59:03,550 --> 02:59:03,910
That.

2924
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:05,390
We never.

2925
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:08,790
Bothered really the check in until Manny said well.

2926
02:59:08,910 --> 02:59:12,510
Why do you have 8 acres? We knew we bought a little over 2 acres.

2927
02:59:12,750 --> 02:59:13,430
But not.

2928
02:59:13,510 --> 02:59:14,430
8 acres.

2929
02:59:17,170 --> 02:59:18,800
So I gather.

2930
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:20,990
You know when when the owner bought.

2931
02:59:21,070 --> 02:59:22,840
I knew the land behind us.

2932
02:59:23,150 --> 02:59:24,830
That was where the.

2933
02:59:24,910 --> 02:59:27,590
5 acres came from when he bought that.

2934
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:29,230
Acre behind us.

2935
02:59:29,710 --> 02:59:31,950
He had to also buy from the owner.

2936
02:59:32,470 --> 02:59:36,630
The other five acres because he saw what the property looked like here and he says.

2937
02:59:36,990 --> 02:59:39,670
I'm not moving to that down place, it's a desert.

2938
02:59:41,170 --> 02:59:43,720
So they made, they made Jacob by.

2939
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:45,790
All the land.

2940
02:59:45,870 --> 02:59:48,430
All what, 5-6 acres?

2941
02:59:48,590 --> 02:59:50,230
Just from the 11 owner.

2942
02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:53,400
So we're land owners.

2943
02:59:53,630 --> 02:59:54,110
Thank you.

2944
02:59:55,920 --> 02:59:57,360
And don't really want to be.

2945
02:59:58,950 --> 03:00:04,270
Chuck, do you have any further questions before you approach and make a summary and a staff recommendation?

2946
03:00:04,430 --> 03:00:05,030
No, ma'am.

2947
03:00:07,250 --> 03:00:07,730
All right.

2948
03:00:08,630 --> 03:00:11,110
Are you prepared to make a staff recommendation?

2949
03:00:11,790 --> 03:00:12,430
Yes, ma'am.

2950
03:00:12,750 --> 03:00:13,310
Alright.

2951
03:00:13,990 --> 03:00:15,550
Would you please do so? Come on up.

2952
03:00:16,970 --> 03:00:20,000
Doobie. So what's I missing here? Should we go sit down?

2953
03:00:20,270 --> 03:00:22,270
I'm sorry. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Please.

2954
03:00:22,630 --> 03:00:24,270
Thank you so much. OK, Thank you.

2955
03:00:24,390 --> 03:00:24,990
You bet.

2956
03:00:34,070 --> 03:00:34,950
Good afternoon.

2957
03:00:35,430 --> 03:00:37,510
Or even. Yes it is.

2958
03:00:38,990 --> 03:00:41,710
Unfortunately, staff's recommendation has not changed.

2959
03:00:42,070 --> 03:00:46,670
They are, under our ordinance, ineligible for what they are seeking.

2960
03:00:47,030 --> 03:00:47,670
They don't.

2961
03:00:48,070 --> 03:00:49,270
And let me back up.

2962
03:00:49,470 --> 03:00:51,150
The covenants and restrictions.

2963
03:00:51,430 --> 03:00:56,070
Are in effect. That's the wrench. Yet covenants and restrictions, subdivision, plat, they've always been in effect.

2964
03:00:56,590 --> 03:00:58,030
So that's incorrect.

2965
03:00:59,070 --> 03:01:00,750
But they do not have the.

2966
03:01:01,830 --> 03:01:02,790
Primary dwelling.

2967
03:01:03,190 --> 03:01:04,870
They don't have the hardship.

2968
03:01:05,710 --> 03:01:07,070
Taking care of a family member.

2969
03:01:08,750 --> 03:01:11,990
It they're simply not eligible, it's unfortunate as that is.

2970
03:01:12,270 --> 03:01:14,550
They can live in an RV in an RV park.

2971
03:01:15,310 --> 03:01:19,630
But they cannot do it in Luna County, and especially not in this subdivision.

2972
03:01:21,330 --> 03:01:23,720
And that's a recommendation is to deny the variance.

2973
03:01:23,830 --> 03:01:24,350
Quest.

2974
03:01:24,790 --> 03:01:27,670
Have there been variances granted in the past, Chuck?

2975
03:01:28,150 --> 03:01:29,230
For these people.

2976
03:01:29,750 --> 03:01:31,150
Or do you know? Are you aware?

2977
03:01:31,470 --> 03:01:32,270
Not a variance.

2978
03:01:32,590 --> 03:01:34,950
They requested the 180 day.

2979
03:01:35,230 --> 03:01:36,230
Camping permit.

2980
03:01:36,710 --> 03:01:39,470
And they requested two of them and then they got a third one.

2981
03:01:40,550 --> 03:01:42,350
With a a different.

2982
03:01:43,780 --> 03:01:45,160
Explanation each time.

2983
03:01:47,060 --> 03:01:50,280
So they're ineligible for the 180 day camping. At this point they are not.

2984
03:01:50,350 --> 03:01:54,390
They had a dwelling or development permit. At one point they had a camping permit.

2985
03:01:54,870 --> 03:01:56,310
They've gone through every.

2986
03:01:56,750 --> 03:01:59,760
Every way to avoid this ordinance that they can for the last four years.

2987
03:02:03,950 --> 03:02:06,870
In my visit with them it.

2988
03:02:07,150 --> 03:02:10,310
It came up to me because I was curious.

2989
03:02:10,590 --> 03:02:12,390
Mrs. Wenzel told me.

2990
03:02:12,470 --> 03:02:16,550
That they were endeavoring, I think it was to save $60,000 from now.

2991
03:02:16,630 --> 03:02:18,950
To a year, whatever time that they needed.

2992
03:02:19,190 --> 03:02:26,550
To buy a mobile home, yet they went out and they spent $60,000 to buy a great deal of land that it? I'm not sure.

2993
03:02:26,910 --> 03:02:27,550
That, umm.

2994
03:02:29,820 --> 03:02:30,720
That was.

2995
03:02:30,830 --> 03:02:33,610
And I'm not judging anybody by this, so please forgive me. I don't want to sound this way, but it seems to me that that money

2996
03:02:33,610 --> 03:02:36,390
could have been.

2997
03:02:36,510 --> 03:02:37,470
Better spent.

2998
03:02:37,710 --> 03:02:42,240
Buying a mobile home and they could have satisfied the requirement at that time.

2999
03:02:42,350 --> 03:02:44,750
But now we're being asked to.

3000
03:02:45,430 --> 03:02:46,550
Once again.

3001
03:02:46,750 --> 03:02:49,470
Why Mrs. Winslow's testimonies?

3002
03:02:49,590 --> 03:02:52,110
They hope to be able to get to that point.

3003
03:02:53,540 --> 03:02:57,100
So your recommendation is not to approve based on.

3004
03:02:57,590 --> 03:02:59,310
The language that you've just given us.

3005
03:02:59,430 --> 03:03:01,230
Based on the ordinance as it's written.

3006
03:03:01,590 --> 03:03:02,270
All right.

3007
03:03:02,990 --> 03:03:06,870
Have there been complaints from other people in regards to this?

3008
03:03:07,960 --> 03:03:09,030
Neighbors about it.

3009
03:03:10,380 --> 03:03:11,980
Constantly repeated.

3010
03:03:12,420 --> 03:03:14,260
One of which is the neighbor she mentioned.

3011
03:03:14,820 --> 03:03:17,660
Right. Well, she didn't call out that neighbor by name, but.

3012
03:03:20,730 --> 03:03:25,870
All right. Well, thank you. Are there any questions from the Commission? Thank you for your testimony, Sir.

3013
03:03:27,460 --> 03:03:30,180
Are there any questions from our commissioners?

3014
03:03:30,700 --> 03:03:32,020
No ma'am statements.

3015
03:03:32,770 --> 03:03:34,350
No, all right.

3016
03:03:39,100 --> 03:03:43,820
So having no other people signed in, they're obviously not going to be any questions or.

3017
03:03:44,830 --> 03:03:47,030
Do you, Mrs. Winslow, or you, Sir?

3018
03:03:47,140 --> 03:03:52,140
Have a any questions that you want to ask before I call for a motion or bring this back?

3019
03:03:55,290 --> 03:03:56,590
All right. Thank you.

3020
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:10,350
Yes, ma'am.

3021
03:04:11,660 --> 03:04:12,660
Turn that mic off.

3022
03:04:14,230 --> 03:04:15,870
Turn Can you turn the mic on, ma'am?

3023
03:04:16,460 --> 03:04:17,900
It's the button to the bottom right.

3024
03:04:19,330 --> 03:04:22,790
How about there you go. OK, thank you. We first moved out there.

3025
03:04:23,100 --> 03:04:27,500
Umm, Manny kept giving. We we were really stupid.

3026
03:04:27,580 --> 03:04:29,460
We didn't know anything about this county.

3027
03:04:29,540 --> 03:04:31,180
OK. But Manny?

3028
03:04:31,580 --> 03:04:33,340
Kept giving us, he says.

3029
03:04:33,460 --> 03:04:36,260
Just bring in your title to your camper. This was like.

3030
03:04:36,420 --> 03:04:37,700
Four years ago.

3031
03:04:37,900 --> 03:04:41,740
And every so many months he'd give us a new pass.

3032
03:04:42,730 --> 03:04:45,330
And we didn't know about the law.

3033
03:04:45,940 --> 03:04:47,660
Or the ordinances.

3034
03:04:48,600 --> 03:04:53,990
Until the grumpy guy that lives 2 miles down the road started complaining the code enforcement every day.

3035
03:04:54,340 --> 03:04:57,220
That is when we found out what the law was.

3036
03:04:57,990 --> 03:05:01,750
And that is when we started looking for a place to live.

3037
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:05,350
Now we we moved away for a year.

3038
03:05:08,440 --> 03:05:11,750
And like the husband told you, it everything fell through.

3039
03:05:12,490 --> 03:05:14,110
So this time.

3040
03:05:14,340 --> 03:05:18,140
We move back, it'll be a year in December. We have been on the property.

3041
03:05:19,510 --> 03:05:22,990
And the only reason that we're there is we had no other place to go.

3042
03:05:24,950 --> 03:05:29,470
You can't move with five sheds, three dogs, 3 cats.

3043
03:05:29,780 --> 03:05:31,380
Utility trailers.

3044
03:05:31,580 --> 03:05:36,020
We had to buy a cargo container because of the house that we were.

3045
03:05:36,220 --> 03:05:40,500
Where we're supposed to about we bought furniture for a three bedroom 2 bath.

3046
03:05:40,620 --> 03:05:42,260
Double wide mobile home.

3047
03:05:42,380 --> 03:05:45,500
And we ended up having to move back to a property that I.

3048
03:05:45,980 --> 03:05:47,460
Dearly hate.

3049
03:05:49,440 --> 03:05:54,830
Because of the noise of the residents and and how people are disrespectful.

3050
03:05:54,980 --> 03:05:56,660
Out there in Rock County area.

3051
03:05:57,340 --> 03:05:57,500
But.

3052
03:05:58,020 --> 03:05:59,420
We had to move back.

3053
03:05:59,500 --> 03:06:00,740
For two reasons.

3054
03:06:01,060 --> 03:06:01,940
My husband.

3055
03:06:02,620 --> 03:06:03,620
Is one of them.

3056
03:06:05,010 --> 03:06:09,610
He's supposed to be using his oxygen, but he won't do that in public.

3057
03:06:11,060 --> 03:06:15,420
He's diabetic. He was sprayed with Agent Orange in Vietnam.

3058
03:06:15,700 --> 03:06:18,100
It is eating him from the inside out.

3059
03:06:19,330 --> 03:06:25,750
So I took my pride and I shut up and I said let's buy this property.

3060
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:29,870
So because we just can't move anymore.

3061
03:06:30,020 --> 03:06:31,580
We are physically.

3062
03:06:31,900 --> 03:06:34,540
Mentally and financially.

3063
03:06:34,620 --> 03:06:36,580
Not able to move again.

3064
03:06:36,980 --> 03:06:39,540
And no matter how many passes.

3065
03:06:39,620 --> 03:06:40,180
That, uh.

3066
03:06:40,460 --> 03:06:42,260
Code enforcement gives us.

3067
03:06:42,420 --> 03:06:48,420
We have kept Manny up in the loop of everything that we've done, what we've tried to do.

3068
03:06:48,540 --> 03:06:50,660
And Manny knows our situation.

3069
03:06:51,890 --> 03:06:56,670
And, and I don't know what else to tell you, this gentleman can talk about something that happened.

3070
03:06:56,780 --> 03:06:58,340
Three or four years ago.

3071
03:06:58,580 --> 03:07:00,900
But why doesn't he talk about right now?

3072
03:07:01,340 --> 03:07:03,300
Which he knows nothing about.

3073
03:07:06,710 --> 03:07:08,230
And you can tell I'm a little ticked.

3074
03:07:08,660 --> 03:07:09,470
I'm sorry.

3075
03:07:11,820 --> 03:07:12,540
Thank you.

3076
03:07:13,660 --> 03:07:15,340
No apology necessary.

3077
03:07:23,770 --> 03:07:26,150
Well, so there is no further input.

3078
03:07:27,020 --> 03:07:31,100
I will now close the presentations and bring it back to the Commission.

3079
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:41,510
Is there any Commissioner prepared to make a motion?

3080
03:07:41,660 --> 03:07:50,180
On this request, there is a motion to go into closed session for deliberation pursuant TO10151H3 NMSA 1978.

3081
03:07:52,420 --> 03:07:53,500
So moved Madam Chair.

3082
03:08:00,480 --> 03:08:02,150
Do I have a second or are you abstaining?

3083
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:04,040
I'm not going to 2nd.

3084
03:08:05,410 --> 03:08:06,870
All right, so you're abstaining.

3085
03:08:09,300 --> 03:08:12,220
Well, this is a difficult position for me. You all, I have a.

3086
03:08:12,660 --> 03:08:14,820
Heart like you all do.

3087
03:08:15,260 --> 03:08:20,460
That's why I went out and I visited with the wind cells because I wanted to understand the situation.

3088
03:08:20,660 --> 03:08:23,700
And just so you know, Mr. and Mrs. Winsel.

3089
03:08:23,940 --> 03:08:29,340
The information that you just provided to me about your medical condition was something I have not seen.

3090
03:08:29,740 --> 03:08:32,060
That type of information is considered.

3091
03:08:32,220 --> 03:08:35,620
Privilege that's not generally presented to people, so.

3092
03:08:35,820 --> 03:08:39,660
You slipped that in here before I had a chance to take a look at it.

3093
03:08:39,860 --> 03:08:46,260
When I visited with you, I asked that you specifically take whatever information you have.

3094
03:08:46,340 --> 03:08:48,140
And present it to umm, uh.

3095
03:08:49,100 --> 03:08:50,700
To the Peta's office.

3096
03:08:50,780 --> 03:08:52,540
So that it could all be considered.

3097
03:08:52,940 --> 03:08:57,540
That information has been taken into consideration and a recommendation has been.

3098
03:09:05,520 --> 03:09:06,470
Flashing hat.

3099
03:09:08,110 --> 03:09:09,710
There we go back on.

3100
03:09:13,820 --> 03:09:18,900
So we have a motion and no second. I guess it's up to me to make the second here.

3101
03:09:21,340 --> 03:09:25,020
I apologize to you guys because this isn't going to turn out the way you want.

3102
03:09:25,500 --> 03:09:31,540
I've encouraged you to please approach other people, go to Veterans Administration and find a way to close the gap.

3103
03:09:32,180 --> 03:09:34,980
I'm going to 2nd the motion to not approve this.

3104
03:09:37,230 --> 03:09:38,910
May we have a roll call vote please?

3105
03:09:43,500 --> 03:09:44,740
Commissioner Trejo.

3106
03:09:44,860 --> 03:09:48,420
No. Commissioner, Chair Harvey, Yes.

3107
03:09:50,120 --> 03:09:51,270
Commissioner Chandler.

3108
03:09:51,660 --> 03:09:52,300
No.

3109
03:09:53,380 --> 03:09:55,820
All right. Thank you. The motion does not pass.

3110
03:09:56,790 --> 03:09:59,070
Appreciate you guys coming in your testimony.

3111
03:10:00,770 --> 03:10:06,250
I've got a I've got a question for our attorney so that now that this has not been.

3112
03:10:06,900 --> 03:10:07,900
Approved, Uh.

3113
03:10:08,500 --> 03:10:09,820
What is a procedure?

3114
03:10:09,900 --> 03:10:11,900
Is a variance get granted.

3115
03:10:12,670 --> 03:10:15,070
Or how do we continue forward?

3116
03:10:16,670 --> 03:10:17,470
Good question.

3117
03:10:17,580 --> 03:10:18,500
The motion was.

3118
03:10:18,780 --> 03:10:21,660
To deny the variance. So the variance has been denied.

3119
03:10:21,740 --> 03:10:22,260
Correct.

3120
03:10:22,660 --> 03:10:24,660
The only other option is the variance has been granted.

3121
03:10:25,180 --> 03:10:29,380
I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. The only other option is the variance has been granted.

3122
03:10:31,770 --> 03:10:32,570
All right.

3123
03:10:33,790 --> 03:10:34,390
Chris.

3124
03:10:35,490 --> 03:10:36,990
Motion was.

3125
03:10:37,960 --> 03:10:38,800
To deny.

3126
03:10:39,100 --> 03:10:40,860
Variance correct? Correct.

3127
03:10:42,230 --> 03:10:43,310
We had two votes.

3128
03:10:43,420 --> 03:10:44,260
So yes.

3129
03:10:45,380 --> 03:10:47,460
To deny the variance, yes.

3130
03:10:47,580 --> 03:10:48,900
Both of you are, yes.

3131
03:10:49,300 --> 03:10:52,100
You voted to deny it or to.

3132
03:10:52,920 --> 03:10:53,840
To.

3133
03:10:54,660 --> 03:10:56,020
To deny the variance.

3134
03:10:56,180 --> 03:10:58,620
You voted to deny there. Yes, that's correct.

3135
03:10:58,820 --> 03:10:59,780
With one absence.

3136
03:10:59,980 --> 03:11:00,580
Right.

3137
03:11:01,180 --> 03:11:02,740
So the variance is that.

3138
03:11:03,220 --> 03:11:03,860
Yes.

3139
03:11:05,710 --> 03:11:06,710
That's where it stands.

3140
03:11:06,940 --> 03:11:10,980
Yes. Well, I just wanted to be clear because I've been watching the faces out there and I know people.

3141
03:11:12,940 --> 03:11:15,540
What happens as far as timing goes after that?

3142
03:11:15,700 --> 03:11:16,980
So they in.

3143
03:11:17,060 --> 03:11:19,020
That's the question. Well, that was like.

3144
03:11:23,740 --> 03:11:24,980
They have so many days to do.

3145
03:11:25,260 --> 03:11:26,620
Situation now.

3146
03:11:28,670 --> 03:11:35,150
Well, again, the motion was made in the negative, which we've asked not to happen. So the motion was to deny the variance.

3147
03:11:35,660 --> 03:11:37,660
And it was denied.

3148
03:11:38,680 --> 03:11:40,350
It was no. You voted no.

3149
03:11:40,660 --> 03:11:41,980
On the motion to deny.

3150
03:11:42,180 --> 03:11:45,020
Mr. Trejo voted no on the motion to deny.

3151
03:11:45,420 --> 03:11:46,740
One yes to deny.

3152
03:11:47,020 --> 03:11:48,900
So the motion to deny failed.

3153
03:11:49,740 --> 03:11:50,980
What I meant was.

3154
03:11:51,380 --> 03:11:53,220
Yes, to deny it, that's.

3155
03:11:53,300 --> 03:11:55,020
That's the way it's stated in here.

3156
03:11:55,100 --> 03:11:56,910
Right. So it's that was not your recorded vote.

3157
03:11:57,180 --> 03:12:01,140
Is as confusing as this is to everybody, or maybe just to me.

3158
03:12:01,220 --> 03:12:03,220
The variance is allowed.

3159
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:05,120
Or denied.

3160
03:12:06,300 --> 03:12:09,420
Based on the vote on the motion, the variance was granted.

3161
03:12:09,500 --> 03:12:10,180
By default.

3162
03:12:11,670 --> 03:12:12,950
I meant to not.

3163
03:12:13,340 --> 03:12:16,100
Grant the variance. That's how it's worded in here.

3164
03:12:19,630 --> 03:12:22,350
It says continuance of the request.

3165
03:12:22,860 --> 03:12:25,780
And no, there's no continuance of the variance.

3166
03:12:25,940 --> 03:12:26,540
Read.

3167
03:12:30,260 --> 03:12:31,420
They can reconsider it.

3168
03:12:33,110 --> 03:12:37,510
Bye. All right, everybody, we're going to, we are going to back.

3169
03:12:37,620 --> 03:12:42,020
Back up and we are going to ask for a remotion.

3170
03:12:42,140 --> 03:12:44,780
Not a negative of negative so that it's clear.

3171
03:12:45,660 --> 03:12:47,310
May I have a motion?

3172
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:49,870
To approve.

3173
03:12:50,620 --> 03:12:51,780
The variance.

3174
03:12:53,500 --> 03:12:55,740
Approve or deny the variance.

3175
03:12:56,720 --> 03:12:57,080
Hang on.

3176
03:12:58,180 --> 03:13:01,580
So can I interrupt? I'm sorry.

3177
03:13:02,680 --> 03:13:05,480
All right, you have a motion that's been passed.

3178
03:13:05,980 --> 03:13:08,580
Even though we don't have Robert's Rules of Order the next.

3179
03:13:08,900 --> 03:13:11,700
Motion should be a motion to reconsider.

3180
03:13:11,820 --> 03:13:13,020
The prior vote.

3181
03:13:13,700 --> 03:13:16,900
Then you vote on that. If it's granted, then you revote.

3182
03:13:17,620 --> 03:13:18,740
There's 2 steps.

3183
03:13:18,860 --> 03:13:20,740
Motion to reconsider has to pass first.

3184
03:13:20,980 --> 03:13:21,940
Then you have to.

3185
03:13:22,020 --> 03:13:22,580
Make the new.

3186
03:13:23,620 --> 03:13:25,300
Thank you. I appreciate that.

3187
03:13:25,460 --> 03:13:28,300
All right, I will stand for a motion.

3188
03:13:28,380 --> 03:13:30,860
To to.

3189
03:13:31,380 --> 03:13:34,820
To what? Do we have to deny it or we just reconsider the vote?

3190
03:13:35,020 --> 03:13:38,620
So it's been a long day, you guys.

3191
03:13:41,220 --> 03:13:41,660
All right.

3192
03:13:41,980 --> 03:13:42,900
So I'd like to have.

3193
03:13:43,340 --> 03:13:47,860
Do 1 of you Are you willing to submit a motion to reconsider the previous?

3194
03:13:48,220 --> 03:13:50,100
Vote yes, all right.

3195
03:13:51,350 --> 03:13:52,110
Are you, Sir?

3196
03:13:52,380 --> 03:13:53,780
Can reconsider it.

3197
03:13:54,820 --> 03:14:00,740
No, all right. I don't think as an active body that we should be able to because we've made a mistake.

3198
03:14:01,100 --> 03:14:02,020
Like that?

3199
03:14:02,700 --> 03:14:04,430
Because of lack of knowledge.

3200
03:14:05,310 --> 03:14:07,230
That we should be able to just.

3201
03:14:07,740 --> 03:14:08,300
Delete.

3202
03:14:08,980 --> 03:14:10,860
And redo it over.

3203
03:14:12,210 --> 03:14:13,070
All right, so.

3204
03:14:14,140 --> 03:14:16,900
So. So you are explaining that correct Sir?

3205
03:14:17,380 --> 03:14:19,270
Yeah. All right. Thank you.

3206
03:14:19,420 --> 03:14:22,740
Well then, do I have a motion to?

3207
03:14:23,100 --> 03:14:24,700
Vote for.

3208
03:14:24,820 --> 03:14:26,140
Or against.

3209
03:14:26,380 --> 03:14:27,380
Allowing.

3210
03:14:27,460 --> 03:14:29,300
The occupancy of the home.

3211
03:14:29,420 --> 03:14:32,940
Ma'am, you have to you have to consider the motion to reconsider first.

3212
03:14:33,100 --> 03:14:33,940
You need a second.

3213
03:14:36,780 --> 03:14:38,940
Just like I second the motion.

3214
03:14:39,660 --> 03:14:40,980
So I call for a roll call.

3215
03:14:44,040 --> 03:14:45,470
There was a motion to reconsider.

3216
03:14:46,610 --> 03:14:49,950
You got this stated by your Commission.

3217
03:14:50,060 --> 03:14:50,300
Not.

3218
03:14:51,850 --> 03:14:55,170
The Commission, she did, she did.

3219
03:14:55,900 --> 03:14:57,220
We did. She did.

3220
03:15:00,520 --> 03:15:02,550
We did just as you mentioned.

3221
03:15:03,830 --> 03:15:06,310
Can you say 1 for the?

3222
03:15:10,900 --> 03:15:13,860
I'm having a hard time hearing you because you're not using a mic, Sir.

3223
03:15:16,390 --> 03:15:18,150
And what is the motion being?

3224
03:15:18,700 --> 03:15:19,060
In place.

3225
03:15:20,380 --> 03:15:23,540
It was a motion to reconsider our vote.

3226
03:15:24,710 --> 03:15:27,990
So there's a much that is wrong.

3227
03:15:28,380 --> 03:15:31,660
Has to be up. All the things will be considered the motion previous.

3228
03:15:31,740 --> 03:15:34,820
Mentioned you have to boil the motion pass.

3229
03:15:35,020 --> 03:15:36,660
Right. Not a vote.

3230
03:15:37,180 --> 03:15:39,900
You cannot cancel the boat.

3231
03:15:41,040 --> 03:15:43,550
We have to reconsider the motion.

3232
03:15:43,660 --> 03:15:44,540
Previously.

3233
03:15:44,860 --> 03:15:47,340
The state? That's the.

3234
03:15:48,980 --> 03:15:50,580
It's so he's correct.

3235
03:15:50,740 --> 03:15:53,820
The motion to reconsider is to reconsider the prior vote on the motion.

3236
03:15:53,940 --> 03:15:55,220
If it passes.

3237
03:15:55,340 --> 03:15:57,540
Then you had the exact same motion.

3238
03:15:57,860 --> 03:15:58,860
Voted on again.

3239
03:16:00,350 --> 03:16:01,270
Are you following me?

3240
03:16:01,420 --> 03:16:02,900
No, obviously I'm not.

3241
03:16:03,340 --> 03:16:06,820
It's getting confusing because we have a lot of in and outs here so.

3242
03:16:06,940 --> 03:16:08,860
It's a verb. You have a motion.

3243
03:16:08,940 --> 03:16:10,020
Denied the variance.

3244
03:16:10,220 --> 03:16:12,550
We now have a motion to reconsider that action.

3245
03:16:13,260 --> 03:16:14,660
If it passes.

3246
03:16:14,820 --> 03:16:17,980
The exact same motion which was done in the negative.

3247
03:16:18,180 --> 03:16:19,340
Is revoted on.

3248
03:16:20,430 --> 03:16:27,230
All right, let's take this one at a time. So I'm asking for a motion to reconsider the motion.

3249
03:16:27,860 --> 03:16:28,900
Is that correct?

3250
03:16:29,300 --> 03:16:30,340
Yes, all right.

3251
03:16:30,620 --> 03:16:31,660
Is and.

3252
03:16:31,820 --> 03:16:33,790
Do I have a motion to do that?

3253
03:16:34,750 --> 03:16:38,230
I will make a motion to reconsider the motion. Tariq, thank you.

3254
03:16:38,660 --> 03:16:39,460
Yeah, and you, Sir?

3255
03:16:41,510 --> 03:16:43,190
No, all right.

3256
03:16:44,060 --> 03:16:46,220
All right, I vote yes.

3257
03:16:46,980 --> 03:16:49,380
You're making a second on the motion, not voting yet.

3258
03:16:50,060 --> 03:16:53,020
OK. I second the motion. You're absolutely correct.

3259
03:16:53,580 --> 03:16:55,660
Now let's have a roll call vote.

3260
03:16:57,150 --> 03:16:58,550
Commissioner Trejo.

3261
03:16:59,700 --> 03:17:00,740
Chair Harvey.

3262
03:17:01,780 --> 03:17:02,940
Commissioner Chandler.

3263
03:17:03,020 --> 03:17:03,620
Yes.

3264
03:17:04,840 --> 03:17:07,310
All right, so that motion passes.

3265
03:17:07,500 --> 03:17:09,140
And the correct language.

3266
03:17:10,020 --> 03:17:11,540
No, you're voting on the same motion.

3267
03:17:11,740 --> 03:17:14,860
You're voting on the motion to deny the variance.

3268
03:17:16,750 --> 03:17:24,910
Yes. So I'm asking for a motion to deny the variance. Is that correct? You've already got that motion you're reconsidering so.

3269
03:17:25,020 --> 03:17:29,660
You're going to vote now? This is getting very confusing for me as it is many of you.

3270
03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:32,080
Right.

3271
03:17:33,560 --> 03:17:35,430
OK, so now we're going to vote on that.

3272
03:17:36,510 --> 03:17:37,230
Yes.

3273
03:17:37,580 --> 03:17:38,380
All right.

3274
03:17:39,140 --> 03:17:42,620
So now I call for a motion to.

3275
03:17:43,930 --> 03:17:44,770
OK, so.

3276
03:17:45,020 --> 03:17:51,820
Motion to deny the variance request. All right, we have a motion before us to deny the variance request.

3277
03:17:52,620 --> 03:17:53,580
And you have.

3278
03:17:54,260 --> 03:17:55,980
OK, so we have a roll call vote.

3279
03:17:56,460 --> 03:17:58,900
Excuse me Shay, I know this is going into overtime.

3280
03:18:01,000 --> 03:18:02,190
Commissioner Trejo.

3281
03:18:06,190 --> 03:18:07,950
Did you please answer the question, Sir?

3282
03:18:09,800 --> 03:18:10,750
OK. Thank you.

3283
03:18:12,190 --> 03:18:13,350
Can you repeat the motion?

3284
03:18:16,370 --> 03:18:17,970
This is going to get difficult.

3285
03:18:18,820 --> 03:18:20,180
Deny. Yes.

3286
03:18:20,540 --> 03:18:24,980
The motion was to deny the variance request. Council the Commissioner.

3287
03:18:26,820 --> 03:18:28,820
The motion to deny the variance.

3288
03:18:34,200 --> 03:18:35,870
No, all right.

3289
03:18:39,330 --> 03:18:40,370
Chair Harvey.

3290
03:18:40,460 --> 03:18:41,220
Yes.

3291
03:18:42,060 --> 03:18:43,220
Commissioner Chandler.

3292
03:18:43,380 --> 03:18:44,020
Yes.

3293
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:47,190
Motion passes.

3294
03:18:47,500 --> 03:18:48,100
Alright.

3295
03:18:48,950 --> 03:18:50,630
So now we go back.

3296
03:18:50,700 --> 03:18:53,580
And we are This is it.

3297
03:18:54,020 --> 03:18:54,660
OK.

3298
03:18:57,380 --> 03:18:59,980
All right, so Mr. and with inflow.

3299
03:19:00,180 --> 03:19:03,820
The your request has been denied.

3300
03:19:05,060 --> 03:19:10,940
Now I have a question for our County Attorney. So because I know these good people have a question in their mind.

3301
03:19:11,060 --> 03:19:15,940
What comes next as far as action on behalf of the county or is there action?

3302
03:19:16,460 --> 03:19:19,500
There's a pending Magistrate Court case, so that'll be the next step.

3303
03:19:20,370 --> 03:19:20,930
All right.

3304
03:19:22,660 --> 03:19:23,940
All right. Thank you.

3305
03:19:25,400 --> 03:19:25,960
All right.

3306
03:19:29,850 --> 03:19:31,710
Let me find our agenda here.

3307
03:19:41,500 --> 03:19:43,740
All right. We're moving into old business.

3308
03:19:44,220 --> 03:19:46,740
Our new business, Jeez, it's going to be.

3309
03:19:46,980 --> 03:19:48,100
Little bit.

3310
03:19:48,460 --> 03:19:49,300
Moving on to new.

3311
03:20:16,490 --> 03:20:18,530
Kind of out of order for the Burn project.

3312
03:20:18,650 --> 03:20:21,410
This should be the last and final phase we would sure hope.

3313
03:20:21,530 --> 03:20:26,850
This will be the case, and what's before you is the resolution and grant agreement for closing docket.

3314
03:20:28,150 --> 03:20:31,060
So once approved, we'll be going to a closing period of 30 days.

3315
03:20:31,330 --> 03:20:34,250
And then we would award the funding for Forbid.

3316
03:20:37,060 --> 03:20:37,660
Questions.

3317
03:20:38,210 --> 03:20:39,050
Thank you, Sir.

3318
03:20:42,550 --> 03:20:43,190
All right.

3319
03:20:44,090 --> 03:20:46,090
Having heard your testimony.

3320
03:20:46,490 --> 03:20:47,730
May I have a motion?

3321
03:20:48,420 --> 03:20:49,500
So moved ma'am Chair.

3322
03:20:49,770 --> 03:20:50,730
I'll second that.

3323
03:20:51,370 --> 03:20:52,090
All right.

3324
03:20:52,770 --> 03:20:53,410
Is there any?

3325
03:20:54,560 --> 03:20:55,320
Go ahead.

3326
03:20:56,050 --> 03:21:01,650
Say motion, you're going to say, So what is this? OK, I'm distinguished to improve.

3327
03:21:02,090 --> 03:21:03,130
I move to approve.

3328
03:21:04,490 --> 03:21:05,570
That's why I'm looking so.

3329
03:21:06,370 --> 03:21:06,850
That's all.

3330
03:21:07,490 --> 03:21:10,970
No. Well, I appreciate that. So I asked for a motion so your.

3331
03:21:11,090 --> 03:21:13,530
Your motion is to approve.

3332
03:21:14,460 --> 03:21:15,460
The discussion.

3333
03:21:15,530 --> 03:21:16,650
That we're about to have.

3334
03:21:18,250 --> 03:21:19,890
Which is the resolution 20.

3335
03:21:20,090 --> 03:21:22,410
66 and you're, Sir.

3336
03:21:23,530 --> 03:21:24,250
I I moved.

3337
03:21:24,370 --> 03:21:25,210
I moved to.

3338
03:21:25,370 --> 03:21:28,170
OK. Well, you moved and 666.

3339
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:30,120
All right, so.

3340
03:21:30,570 --> 03:21:32,890
May we have, excuse me, let's move on here.

3341
03:21:33,010 --> 03:21:38,610
2nd So we've got a motion in the second. Is there any open discussion between any of us in regards to this?

3342
03:21:38,890 --> 03:21:39,890
Any comments?

3343
03:21:41,110 --> 03:21:41,830
All right.

3344
03:21:42,170 --> 03:21:45,530
So being none, I call for a roll call. Vote please.

3345
03:21:46,290 --> 03:21:47,930
Commissioner Trejo.

3346
03:21:48,130 --> 03:21:49,090
Chair Harvey.

3347
03:21:49,170 --> 03:21:52,570
Yes, Commissioner Chandler. Yes, motion passes.

3348
03:21:52,650 --> 03:21:56,170
Right, Resolution 2666 passes. Thank you, David.

3349
03:21:56,290 --> 03:22:03,330
That we're going to move on for Resolution 2671 authorizing Luna County to enter into a funding agreement.

3350
03:22:03,530 --> 03:22:07,930
Between New Mexico Interstate trains. Excuse me, stream Commission.

3351
03:22:08,170 --> 03:22:09,690
Dash Rockhound area.

3352
03:22:09,850 --> 03:22:11,370
David Bailey is presenting.

3353
03:22:11,570 --> 03:22:12,450
Thank you, Sir.

3354
03:22:12,850 --> 03:22:18,530
Yes, ma'am. So this unit fund is one that's already been awarded. We're just doing the closing grant agreement.

3355
03:22:18,690 --> 03:22:22,490
To secure funding and this is for flood mitigation around the the rock.

3356
03:22:22,610 --> 03:22:24,410
The Rockhound side, The West side.

3357
03:22:24,650 --> 03:22:25,570
Of the Floridas.

3358
03:22:27,070 --> 03:22:29,380
All right. Thank you. May I have a motion?

3359
03:22:30,220 --> 03:22:31,260
Some of them, Madam Chair.

3360
03:22:32,480 --> 03:22:35,740
All right. Is there any discussion among us?

3361
03:22:40,680 --> 03:22:42,060
Roll call vote please.

3362
03:22:42,650 --> 03:22:43,850
Commissioner Trejo.

3363
03:22:45,460 --> 03:22:46,060
Yes.

3364
03:22:46,690 --> 03:22:47,650
Chair Harvey.

3365
03:22:47,730 --> 03:22:48,490
Yes.

3366
03:22:49,810 --> 03:22:51,650
Yes, motion passes.

3367
03:22:51,730 --> 03:22:52,730
All right. Thank you.

3368
03:22:53,090 --> 03:23:00,730
Moving on to the next one, resolution 2670 two 2007 E Florida Flood Control Improvements project.

3369
03:23:00,930 --> 03:23:06,250
Water Trust poor. Excuse me, Water Trust board design on the application and authorization.

3370
03:23:07,360 --> 03:23:08,000
David.

3371
03:23:08,410 --> 03:23:09,050
I'm still here.

3372
03:23:10,130 --> 03:23:13,510
So this one is the Water Trust Board as you mentioned, but this is unique. In years past, there would be a whole application

3373
03:23:13,510 --> 03:23:16,890
process through the Legislature.

3374
03:23:17,050 --> 03:23:20,290
And it wouldn't be decided until May of June and the following year.

3375
03:23:20,450 --> 03:23:24,130
This year they decided to institute a design only program.

3376
03:23:24,400 --> 03:23:28,960
In this program you had to have engineering reports and hydraulic analysis of flooding.

3377
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:31,360
Or water conservation projects.

3378
03:23:31,440 --> 03:23:32,680
Which we have already.

3379
03:23:33,120 --> 03:23:35,400
So we're applying for design only with no match.

3380
03:23:35,800 --> 03:23:37,680
And this would allow us to secure.

3381
03:23:37,880 --> 03:23:40,800
The funding is being estimated with the engineers currently.

3382
03:23:41,000 --> 03:23:45,840
But just like the unit fund on the previous resolution, we're looking at about 400,000.

3383
03:23:46,040 --> 03:23:49,680
And this would be for the East Florida. So this would be the other side of the mountain.

3384
03:23:49,800 --> 03:23:50,960
Around Adobe Deli.

3385
03:23:52,040 --> 03:23:54,720
That way we secure the flooding on all sides.

3386
03:23:55,560 --> 03:23:56,920
Of gap in the Easter eggs.

3387
03:23:57,870 --> 03:23:58,470
All right.

3388
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:01,800
That would it's only design.

3389
03:24:02,630 --> 03:24:03,970
All right. Thank you.

3390
03:24:04,400 --> 03:24:07,600
So I'm asking for a motion to approve.

3391
03:24:08,850 --> 03:24:12,250
Resolution 2670. Two, 2027.

3392
03:24:12,440 --> 03:24:19,400
Florida flood control improvements project water trust board design only application and authorized Do I have a motion?

3393
03:24:19,560 --> 03:24:20,920
So move, Madam Chair.

3394
03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:22,040
And seconded.

3395
03:24:22,600 --> 03:24:23,250
Thank you.

3396
03:24:23,360 --> 03:24:24,120
Roll call vote.

3397
03:24:24,760 --> 03:24:26,360
Commissioner Trejo.

3398
03:24:26,680 --> 03:24:28,200
Chair Harvey, Yes.

3399
03:24:28,320 --> 03:24:29,440
Commissioner Chandler.

3400
03:24:29,520 --> 03:24:31,000
Yes, motion passes.

3401
03:24:31,080 --> 03:24:32,720
All right, moving forward.

3402
03:24:32,880 --> 03:24:40,080
Resolution 2673. Authorized filing of an application for funding assistance from the New Mexico Unit Fund.

3403
03:24:40,480 --> 03:24:41,480
Luna County The.

3404
03:24:41,560 --> 03:24:42,480
Detention center.

3405
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:44,120
David, you're presenting.

3406
03:24:44,240 --> 03:24:44,880
Yes, ma'am.

3407
03:24:45,200 --> 03:24:48,980
So the previous unit fund was for flood mitigation projects. This also allows for conservation projects. So with the detention

3408
03:24:48,980 --> 03:24:52,760
center being a large.

3409
03:24:52,840 --> 03:24:57,410
Facility with with inmates and kitchens and laundry and and lots of uses of water.

3410
03:24:57,560 --> 03:25:02,160
This gives us an opportunity to apply for funding to figure out how we save water in that facility.

3411
03:25:02,240 --> 03:25:03,600
And and conserve what we have.

3412
03:25:05,390 --> 03:25:07,590
Right, that's how and it's an application only.

3413
03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:08,720
All right.

3414
03:25:12,700 --> 03:25:16,440
All right. I'm asking for a Resolution 2673 Authorized filing of an application for funding assistance from the New Mexico Unit

3415
03:25:16,440 --> 03:25:20,180
Fund.

3416
03:25:20,400 --> 03:25:22,760
Linda County Descent Detention Center.

3417
03:25:23,480 --> 03:25:25,200
Anybody prepared to make a motion?

3418
03:25:25,440 --> 03:25:27,480
I will make a motion to approve that.

3419
03:25:28,750 --> 03:25:29,490
I'll second that.

3420
03:25:30,160 --> 03:25:31,440
Roll call vote please.

3421
03:25:32,830 --> 03:25:34,350
Commissioner Trejo.

3422
03:25:34,760 --> 03:25:36,320
Chair Harvey, Yes.

3423
03:25:36,440 --> 03:25:37,560
Commissioner Chandler.

3424
03:25:37,720 --> 03:25:39,360
Yes, motion passes.

3425
03:25:39,480 --> 03:25:40,320
Thank you.

3426
03:25:40,720 --> 03:25:45,160
Moving forward, Resolution 2675 agreement between Luna County and the Southwest New Mexico Council of Governments and appointment

3427
03:25:45,160 --> 03:25:49,600
of representatives.

3428
03:25:49,960 --> 03:25:52,040
Chris, are you presenting or Yossi?

3429
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:54,480
Yes ma'am, this is the.

3430
03:25:54,840 --> 03:25:55,520
Annual.

3431
03:25:55,880 --> 03:25:58,240
Setup of our representatives to the cog.

3432
03:25:58,600 --> 03:26:02,600
Essentially, this one is got you as the primary for economic development.

3433
03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:04,200
Me as the secondary.

3434
03:26:04,600 --> 03:26:07,240
Our TPO which is the road programs.

3435
03:26:07,320 --> 03:26:10,760
David Bailey would be the primary and I'll be the secondary for that as well.

3436
03:26:12,200 --> 03:26:13,250
All right. Thank you.

3437
03:26:13,400 --> 03:26:14,080
Ma'am, umm.

3438
03:26:14,400 --> 03:26:14,960
Yes, Sir.

3439
03:26:15,040 --> 03:26:18,840
You skipped item 11C or 11 E 674.

3440
03:26:19,280 --> 03:26:23,480
Wow. Is it necessary to go back or can I bring that one forward?

3441
03:26:24,820 --> 03:26:27,050
Your agenda was set at the beginning of the meeting.

3442
03:26:27,930 --> 03:26:29,410
So you need to go back all right.

3443
03:26:29,520 --> 03:26:32,080
Then I'm going to back up.

3444
03:26:35,100 --> 03:26:38,970
So resolution 2674.

3445
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:44,960
Regarding the vacation and abandonment of certain portion of Bisbee Rd. Southwest.

3446
03:26:47,240 --> 03:26:49,400
David, are you presenting as well as Chuck?

3447
03:26:51,520 --> 03:26:53,960
Chuck, ma'am, if you go to the script.

3448
03:26:54,200 --> 03:26:55,560
The applicants go first.

3449
03:26:57,010 --> 03:27:00,930
Well, it's a similar script. Fortunately, I don't see the script on that one. It's.

3450
03:27:01,000 --> 03:27:05,680
And I apologize for that, there's not a script but it's the same process. But I can present if you would like me to.

3451
03:27:05,760 --> 03:27:07,720
Yes, that would be wonderful. Thank you.

3452
03:27:15,190 --> 03:27:15,870
Excuse me?

3453
03:27:16,680 --> 03:27:18,600
Who's secondhand about a slide?

3454
03:27:26,200 --> 03:27:30,600
OK. And I'll have to step over to point at it, but the request was made by Stephen Kim Allen, who owned a one mile section

3455
03:27:30,600 --> 03:27:35,000
highlighted in red at Bisbee Rd.

3456
03:27:36,590 --> 03:27:37,810
That road.

3457
03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:41,240
Has never been dedicated in writing by easement by.

3458
03:27:41,360 --> 03:27:45,040
Plat subdivision or anything like that, at least back to 1970.

3459
03:27:45,160 --> 03:27:46,760
And so now I'm gonna step over and.

3460
03:27:47,120 --> 03:27:48,840
Show you what I'm talking about.

3461
03:27:51,930 --> 03:27:53,250
So this section here.

3462
03:27:54,010 --> 03:27:55,170
Upper menus grade.

3463
03:27:55,400 --> 03:27:56,640
Is on Feel Atlanta.

3464
03:27:57,360 --> 03:27:58,840
It will remain a public Rd.

3465
03:27:59,080 --> 03:28:01,280
It's not changing. It's not subject to this.

3466
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:03,680
The BLM stated that they are not.

3467
03:28:04,080 --> 03:28:05,440
Ever going to request that?

3468
03:28:06,560 --> 03:28:07,880
Section here.

3469
03:28:08,440 --> 03:28:09,280
To the end.

3470
03:28:09,720 --> 03:28:13,840
Is currently County Road. That's what's proposed to be abandoned or vacated.

3471
03:28:13,920 --> 03:28:15,480
It's on balance priority.

3472
03:28:16,440 --> 03:28:18,560
Whether or not you have been in that section.

3473
03:28:18,840 --> 03:28:22,320
There is no legal public access to this land.

3474
03:28:22,440 --> 03:28:23,200
Through that life.

3475
03:28:23,680 --> 03:28:25,000
Because at this gate.

3476
03:28:25,400 --> 03:28:26,560
The County Grove Inn is.

3477
03:28:26,960 --> 03:28:28,640
These roads are not roads.

3478
03:28:29,000 --> 03:28:30,280
Their.

3479
03:28:30,320 --> 03:28:32,130
Whatever they are, but they are not real wealthy.

3480
03:28:32,600 --> 03:28:33,520
So we cannot.

3481
03:28:33,880 --> 03:28:35,040
Requiring to unlock.

3482
03:28:35,480 --> 03:28:37,520
There is no legal access.

3483
03:28:37,760 --> 03:28:38,920
With, Bisbee wrote.

3484
03:28:39,240 --> 03:28:42,680
Now for his advantage, there is no legal assets never happened.

3485
03:28:43,280 --> 03:28:44,680
So they're not letting it.

3486
03:28:45,480 --> 03:28:47,560
Bisbee wrote above the bike access.

3487
03:28:47,640 --> 03:28:52,360
There's access from the South and the Wheeling is acknowledged that they have access from the other side as well.

3488
03:28:53,560 --> 03:28:58,240
So this it's a one mile section I've seen post I've seen everyone says they're abandoned in 2 miles.

3489
03:28:58,320 --> 03:28:59,720
They're not. They can't.

3490
03:29:00,440 --> 03:29:01,960
One mile from here to.

3491
03:29:02,240 --> 03:29:02,960
That's it.

3492
03:29:03,800 --> 03:29:06,760
That road dead ends right there at the section line, not point.

3493
03:29:08,630 --> 03:29:10,110
So what is the source?

3494
03:29:12,200 --> 03:29:15,040
Misunderstanding here. There have been things.

3495
03:29:15,560 --> 03:29:18,800
Maps that have been put out that are incorrectly stated.

3496
03:29:19,570 --> 03:29:21,770
So Onyx hunt, which is one that.

3497
03:29:21,920 --> 03:29:23,920
Commissioner Treyo and I, many of us rely on.

3498
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:26,360
Shows County Road 17 going through.

3499
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:28,440
Google Maps shows it.

3500
03:29:28,720 --> 03:29:30,120
Apple Maps shows it.

3501
03:29:30,520 --> 03:29:31,840
Our maps do not.

3502
03:29:32,040 --> 03:29:33,400
And Google Earth does not.

3503
03:29:33,560 --> 03:29:37,760
It has never gone past that. That's a section line between section 20.

3504
03:29:37,960 --> 03:29:39,240
And section 19.

3505
03:29:39,760 --> 03:29:42,480
Bisbee Rd. has never been a County Road West of that ever.

3506
03:29:42,760 --> 03:29:46,000
And we've never spent a dime maintaining that road. We've never had.

3507
03:29:46,400 --> 03:29:48,960
Blade on it. We've never done anything on that road.

3508
03:29:49,680 --> 03:29:57,240
So it seems to me that there's a general misunderstanding among many people about that road being a County Road.

3509
03:29:57,480 --> 03:29:59,920
And due to maps that have been incorrect.

3510
03:30:00,200 --> 03:30:03,570
There are hunters and other people that might go out there.

3511
03:30:03,680 --> 03:30:08,720
That leave that excuse me, that there should have been acts or there should remain access.

3512
03:30:08,920 --> 03:30:09,680
When?

3513
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:14,480
There isn't any access. It's private property and that was never a County Road.

3514
03:30:14,800 --> 03:30:16,840
Correct, the only legal access would be.

3515
03:30:16,920 --> 03:30:18,240
With permission of the owner.

3516
03:30:18,560 --> 03:30:22,840
It would be similar as if I wanted to enter the city of dimming property located.

3517
03:30:23,000 --> 03:30:23,920
Just north of.

3518
03:30:24,120 --> 03:30:25,040
Commissioner Trejo's.

3519
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:29,105
Pool. I would have to go through his yard to get there. I would need his permission. I can't just drive through it to access it

3520
03:30:29,105 --> 03:30:33,010
because I have a right to access.

3521
03:30:33,240 --> 03:30:34,920
There has to be permission from the owner.

3522
03:30:35,480 --> 03:30:37,800
And it doesn't exist. It's not legal access.

3523
03:30:38,540 --> 03:30:39,260
All right.

3524
03:30:41,110 --> 03:30:46,357
So there, there there is misunderstanding about among a broad portion of our population about they can go through that private

3525
03:30:46,357 --> 03:30:51,604
gate because we're being asked and many of you here have presented that you think that gate ought to be open, It's private

3526
03:30:51,604 --> 03:30:56,851
property.

3527
03:30:57,000 --> 03:31:02,000
We can't. We're not in a position to command them to do that. There is no County Road that goes beyond that private property line

3528
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:07,000
that the Allens own.

3529
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:10,760
Can we take questions from the audience or?

3530
03:31:12,140 --> 03:31:17,690
You're the chair. I'm making presentation. Well, I think because this is such a confusing subject to people.

3531
03:31:18,440 --> 03:31:19,800
I'd like to entertain.

3532
03:31:20,320 --> 03:31:20,880
Please.

3533
03:31:22,820 --> 03:31:25,730
OK, please come up to the podium so we can understand you, ma'am.

3534
03:31:26,970 --> 03:31:31,630
I, I think it's incorrect what you're assuming that we're thinking. What we were thinking is this, this is a County Road and we

3535
03:31:31,630 --> 03:31:36,290
approve the closure of it.

3536
03:31:36,400 --> 03:31:37,400
Where does it end?

3537
03:31:38,510 --> 03:31:40,610
We're on County Road 18.

3538
03:31:41,080 --> 03:31:48,080
This was called County Road 17. There's already 2 brand new gates sitting on County Road 18.

3539
03:31:48,200 --> 03:31:48,680
For what?

3540
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:51,080
What are we getting in preparation for?

3541
03:31:51,850 --> 03:31:53,010
Are we getting ready to?

3542
03:31:53,320 --> 03:31:55,600
Come before you guys with this.

3543
03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:56,920
Proposal next.

3544
03:31:57,320 --> 03:31:59,920
So we can put a lock on those gates and stop.

3545
03:32:00,320 --> 03:32:01,160
You know and.

3546
03:32:01,800 --> 03:32:03,360
I mean, it just looks like.

3547
03:32:04,250 --> 03:32:07,010
We're wanting to create a King Ranch here or something.

3548
03:32:07,120 --> 03:32:08,360
With public land.

3549
03:32:09,350 --> 03:32:11,650
And so it isn't that we.

3550
03:32:12,810 --> 03:32:16,970
Didn't assume correctly. We're against the closure of county roads.

3551
03:32:17,080 --> 03:32:17,720
Period.

3552
03:32:19,000 --> 03:32:20,000
Even if they.

3553
03:32:20,240 --> 03:32:23,000
Go on to private property well so.

3554
03:32:23,360 --> 03:32:25,640
Like he said it the County Road.

3555
03:32:26,120 --> 03:32:27,480
Ends right there.

3556
03:32:27,760 --> 03:32:29,920
And obviously maps were incorrect.

3557
03:32:30,040 --> 03:32:30,850
So.

3558
03:32:31,280 --> 03:32:32,360
We weren't.

3559
03:32:33,190 --> 03:32:36,850
Really at fault for assuming incorrectly if the maps aren't right.

3560
03:32:37,440 --> 03:32:41,600
I agree with you totally, and that's why I say I think it's broadly misunderstood.

3561
03:32:41,720 --> 03:32:42,400
Right.

3562
03:32:42,680 --> 03:32:43,280
But.

3563
03:32:44,600 --> 03:32:47,560
We weren't assuming we should have the right to go on private land.

3564
03:32:47,680 --> 03:32:48,840
That was never.

3565
03:32:49,000 --> 03:32:49,720
The thought.

3566
03:32:49,960 --> 03:32:50,760
We were just.

3567
03:32:51,160 --> 03:32:53,920
Under the impression that this was a County Road.

3568
03:32:54,160 --> 03:32:57,560
That someone was pushing too close to the public.

3569
03:32:58,080 --> 03:32:59,800
Right. Well, we're against that.

3570
03:33:03,040 --> 03:33:05,560
OK. And the County Road ends?

3571
03:33:05,640 --> 03:33:07,240
Sooner than what we thought.

3572
03:33:07,960 --> 03:33:15,160
Yeah, I mean, that's so that's this whole thing is to clear up that misunderstanding so that people realize you made it sound like

3573
03:33:15,160 --> 03:33:22,360
we're the bad guy on public land and have somebody takedown a gate on their private property and that's not.

3574
03:33:22,480 --> 03:33:26,280
Correct. I just wanted to clarify. Thank you. I appreciate the clarification, ma'am.

3575
03:33:26,840 --> 03:33:27,440
Yes.

3576
03:33:28,180 --> 03:33:29,450
OK, well, we had people.

3577
03:33:29,720 --> 03:33:34,680
Does she own all of that one Mile Rd.

3578
03:33:34,920 --> 03:33:37,360
That he's closing off can.

3579
03:33:37,440 --> 03:33:38,720
First, introduce yourself.

3580
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:40,400
I'm Marilyn.

3581
03:33:40,840 --> 03:33:45,440
And I've also belonged to the Deming gem and mineral. I've worked for a long time with them.

3582
03:33:45,640 --> 03:33:49,320
But I just wondered, does he own the whole One Mile Rd.

3583
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:51,360
Or is he just?

3584
03:33:51,440 --> 03:33:53,960
Closing it and he's don't got like A5 acre.

3585
03:33:54,040 --> 03:33:54,680
Lot.

3586
03:33:57,160 --> 03:34:01,880
Yeah, I I don't know the answer to how large that parcel is due though that.

3587
03:34:04,130 --> 03:34:05,610
Jason proper.

3588
03:34:09,360 --> 03:34:12,280
OK, so far I think there's two questions and I'll try and answer them.

3589
03:34:12,680 --> 03:34:15,880
The first one is Big Diggins Rd. which isn't shown on this map.

3590
03:34:16,580 --> 03:34:19,250
Big Diggins Rd. has been maintained by the county.

3591
03:34:19,360 --> 03:34:21,920
Mainly for the the gym and mineral society.

3592
03:34:22,480 --> 03:34:28,120
That road is not wholly owned by 1 owner. There's BLM state ownership. There's also two other owners.

3593
03:34:28,400 --> 03:34:36,600
No, and that road has been attempted to be closed before. It is not because the owners do not consent. It also directly accesses.

3594
03:34:37,000 --> 03:34:42,740
Pet, federal, public and state land. So if that request came to close it before this Commission, my staff report would be do not

3595
03:34:42,740 --> 03:34:48,480
allow that because it's direct access to public land that we would be taking away.

3596
03:34:48,880 --> 03:34:49,880
So I would not.

3597
03:34:50,080 --> 03:34:51,280
Be in favor of that and.

3598
03:34:51,320 --> 03:34:54,290
In fact, Mr. Allen has said he's not in favor of that either at this point.

3599
03:34:54,960 --> 03:34:56,800
And when we went out there and met with them.

3600
03:34:57,570 --> 03:34:58,730
The second question.

3601
03:35:00,120 --> 03:35:02,400
Was about the ownership of this road.

3602
03:35:03,240 --> 03:35:04,960
OK, let me can I go to the map?

3603
03:35:05,640 --> 03:35:10,480
Yeah. We can't see what you're doing up there though, because we're sitting here. We don't see where you're pointing.

3604
03:35:11,410 --> 03:35:14,410
That they can see the finger doesn't move on this one.

3605
03:35:14,760 --> 03:35:15,080
So.

3606
03:35:17,000 --> 03:35:19,040
Well, thank you, but then they can't see it.

3607
03:35:19,880 --> 03:35:24,160
Yes, I can see it now, but they can't. Unfortunately, they can't. Can you all see the map?

3608
03:35:25,430 --> 03:35:27,450
Thank you. This is section 21.

3609
03:35:28,440 --> 03:35:31,160
This is on the lower half by the federal government.

3610
03:35:31,240 --> 03:35:32,840
Upper half.

3611
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:33,680
United State.

3612
03:35:34,560 --> 03:35:37,960
Big or busy, Rd. sits entirely.

3613
03:35:38,080 --> 03:35:41,000
On federal land, with its first big tints of the model.

3614
03:35:42,340 --> 03:35:43,900
This section here is.

3615
03:35:44,160 --> 03:35:46,240
Is where the allens property starts.

3616
03:35:46,760 --> 03:35:48,760
It passes all the way.

3617
03:35:49,360 --> 03:35:50,600
To the section.

3618
03:35:50,920 --> 03:35:52,840
That is owned on both sides.

3619
03:35:53,200 --> 03:35:55,280
By the apps.

3620
03:35:57,030 --> 03:35:58,610
And the adjacent property.

3621
03:35:58,760 --> 03:36:00,400
This is also Allen property.

3622
03:36:00,840 --> 03:36:02,560
And that's where we get into the problem.

3623
03:36:03,000 --> 03:36:03,960
When the county wrote in.

3624
03:36:04,360 --> 03:36:05,760
Still has to go across.

3625
03:36:06,320 --> 03:36:07,720
Alan's property to get.

3626
03:36:13,170 --> 03:36:14,530
Is is everybody.

3627
03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:16,640
All right, well.

3628
03:36:17,440 --> 03:36:19,440
Please come on up, whoever was first.

3629
03:36:20,160 --> 03:36:21,160
Carol, I believe is with you.

3630
03:36:21,720 --> 03:36:22,330
Thank you.

3631
03:36:24,480 --> 03:36:27,440
Do you understand?

3632
03:36:27,600 --> 03:36:29,800
Yeah, you probably ought to stay here, Chuck.

3633
03:36:30,400 --> 03:36:35,560
You mentioned that you looked at the records through 1970.

3634
03:36:36,930 --> 03:36:37,570
The new.

3635
03:36:38,200 --> 03:36:39,760
This part of the country.

3636
03:36:40,120 --> 03:36:42,080
Has had records far beyond.

3637
03:36:42,400 --> 03:36:43,440
Before that.

3638
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:44,690
So.

3639
03:36:45,080 --> 03:36:47,360
Shouldn't there be a search 1st?

3640
03:36:47,640 --> 03:36:52,680
To see if there was something done. I mean I don't know how long the allens.

3641
03:36:53,000 --> 03:36:56,880
How long ago they bought their land from what, the federal or state?

3642
03:36:57,480 --> 03:37:00,440
But there probably was there's some document.

3643
03:37:00,600 --> 03:37:01,600
From back there.

3644
03:37:01,960 --> 03:37:03,680
Has that been researched?

3645
03:37:05,710 --> 03:37:11,070
Yes it has. There's a title report that the Allens obtained when they purchased the property that went back to statehood.

3646
03:37:11,480 --> 03:37:14,800
I only went back to 1970 because the ownership changed.

3647
03:37:15,240 --> 03:37:17,960
From 1970 prior it was the same owner.

3648
03:37:18,320 --> 03:37:22,960
So I didn't need to go back any further because that was the owner record way back in the time.

3649
03:37:24,520 --> 03:37:26,200
All right. Thank you. I have a question for you.

3650
03:37:26,480 --> 03:37:27,000
Real quick.

3651
03:37:27,360 --> 03:37:30,040
Next SO.

3652
03:37:30,840 --> 03:37:33,360
He's asking you to. That was a great Yeah, I'm asking you too.

3653
03:37:33,840 --> 03:37:35,840
That was a good question, Carol.

3654
03:37:36,000 --> 03:37:38,650
Because I I too am wondering about records.

3655
03:37:38,920 --> 03:37:39,520
And uh.

3656
03:37:39,960 --> 03:37:43,000
You know, with no disrespect, but I do think that they're probably.

3657
03:37:43,280 --> 03:37:44,480
Should be a further.

3658
03:37:44,880 --> 03:37:46,680
Checked simply because.

3659
03:37:46,880 --> 03:37:48,400
This was a County Road.

3660
03:37:49,320 --> 03:37:50,440
At some point.

3661
03:37:50,680 --> 03:37:53,040
And I don't know how 3 maps could be wrong.

3662
03:37:53,400 --> 03:37:55,160
That's all we have.

3663
03:37:55,680 --> 03:37:57,160
To base our.

3664
03:37:58,920 --> 03:38:01,120
Outdoor rack on, if you will.

3665
03:38:01,400 --> 03:38:03,040
So we have a title report.

3666
03:38:03,240 --> 03:38:05,450
That the bank loaned on that shows.

3667
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:08,960
No written easement on that property that was obtained by the Outlands in purchasing.

3668
03:38:09,440 --> 03:38:10,120
And.

3669
03:38:10,600 --> 03:38:13,400
The official map for county roads.

3670
03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:14,520
Is Luna County.

3671
03:38:15,320 --> 03:38:15,840
That's our.

3672
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:17,880
Google Maps is not official.

3673
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:20,800
Apple's not official Google Earth, not even Onyx Hunt.

3674
03:38:21,840 --> 03:38:24,610
OK, so my next question is.

3675
03:38:25,000 --> 03:38:26,160
So currently.

3676
03:38:26,720 --> 03:38:30,360
And Mr. Allen's in the audience. Maybe he can answer.

3677
03:38:30,520 --> 03:38:33,320
But currently, you and I went out there the other day.

3678
03:38:33,440 --> 03:38:35,080
And he had a lock.

3679
03:38:35,480 --> 03:38:36,680
Here is gate locked.

3680
03:38:37,000 --> 03:38:38,240
On BLM land.

3681
03:38:40,020 --> 03:38:40,730
Almost.

3682
03:38:41,630 --> 03:38:47,330
Man well I need to ask him if he knows where his gate is because clearly it's on BLM land.

3683
03:38:47,440 --> 03:38:48,520
It's not the.

3684
03:38:48,960 --> 03:38:50,520
Inside the section line.

3685
03:38:51,000 --> 03:38:53,600
It's just inside the sexual and on the private proper.

3686
03:38:56,430 --> 03:38:57,790
This challenge, I mean, I.

3687
03:38:58,120 --> 03:39:03,000
I mean, when we were there, I had my Onyx unopened. It was on this side of the deal and.

3688
03:39:03,240 --> 03:39:06,440
Now it should not be locked, that is correct, because that is a County Road.

3689
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:07,160
Right now.

3690
03:39:07,280 --> 03:39:11,280
Well, if you if you zoom in on Onyx, you'll see the fence line.

3691
03:39:11,360 --> 03:39:12,000
Clearly, uh.

3692
03:39:12,280 --> 03:39:13,480
Across the cattle guard.

3693
03:39:13,560 --> 03:39:15,440
And you? There's no reason.

3694
03:39:15,600 --> 03:39:17,480
Why he would have another gate?

3695
03:39:19,450 --> 03:39:21,130
You're you're here? Yeah.

3696
03:39:21,440 --> 03:39:23,000
I mean, where is that?

3697
03:39:23,160 --> 03:39:24,840
That was locked the other day.

3698
03:39:25,570 --> 03:39:27,530
Is it on BLM land?

3699
03:39:29,450 --> 03:39:30,850
It's on deeded you're.

3700
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:32,520
Gate, Ethan. Pittsburgh.

3701
03:39:33,440 --> 03:39:34,680
No, that's.

3702
03:39:34,760 --> 03:39:36,720
Do you have a gate on BLM land?

3703
03:39:38,980 --> 03:39:40,500
Yeah, right there on the road.

3704
03:39:42,340 --> 03:39:43,380
Right there on the paper.

3705
03:39:45,110 --> 03:39:46,230
There is not a gate of.

3706
03:39:47,400 --> 03:39:51,640
There's not a gate block, but there's not a gay one. And then.

3707
03:39:51,720 --> 03:39:53,160
Separate growth.

3708
03:39:57,490 --> 03:40:00,610
So, Commissioner, you're disputing what Mr. Allen says.

3709
03:40:02,290 --> 03:40:08,210
Well, I I think there should be a second look for sure because I know there's some requests that have been sent to the county.

3710
03:40:09,190 --> 03:40:10,410
Who takes care of those?

3711
03:40:11,640 --> 03:40:14,480
Anyway that that person there's an upper request?

3712
03:40:15,160 --> 03:40:16,040
Looking at.

3713
03:40:16,200 --> 03:40:17,240
Road maintenance.

3714
03:40:17,320 --> 03:40:18,800
To make sure, I don't know when the.

3715
03:40:19,550 --> 03:40:22,050
Listen, the taxpayers in this country.

3716
03:40:22,160 --> 03:40:25,400
And this county paid for that road to be maintained at some point.

3717
03:40:27,350 --> 03:40:29,610
And I am certain there's a record.

3718
03:40:29,720 --> 03:40:33,080
Out there that shows that a blade has been maintained that road.

3719
03:40:34,030 --> 03:40:34,710
And.

3720
03:40:36,710 --> 03:40:38,930
And if not, why can't we have it maintained?

3721
03:40:41,220 --> 03:40:46,330
Commissioner, I think has been presented that it's been since the 70s, since that road was maintained.

3722
03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:52,240
Well, I would like to see, I would like to see record of that. Well, we've heard testimony from our own attorney. Are you?

3723
03:40:52,360 --> 03:40:53,240
This well, I.

3724
03:40:53,680 --> 03:40:54,360
Maybe I am.

3725
03:40:54,840 --> 03:40:56,080
Well, I'm just asking, yeah.

3726
03:40:56,760 --> 03:40:57,840
I mean, I know.

3727
03:40:59,510 --> 03:41:01,530
Mr. Bailey with the road department.

3728
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:06,840
I was told there was a blade on there.

3729
03:41:07,200 --> 03:41:08,280
Couple years ago.

3730
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:10,800
And that, Mister Allen.

3731
03:41:11,660 --> 03:41:15,650
Closed it off because he said it's something to do with the monsoon season.

3732
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:20,360
And was going to open it up after the monsoon season and never did open the gate is that.

3733
03:41:21,100 --> 03:41:22,410
Is there any truth to that?

3734
03:41:24,110 --> 03:41:24,850
I hope not.

3735
03:41:27,480 --> 03:41:31,820
And Commissioner, when you asked that question previously, the answer was the same. That was Big Diggins Rd. That's where the

3736
03:41:31,820 --> 03:41:36,160
blade was. Luna, can't we have a GPS on our blades?

3737
03:41:36,480 --> 03:41:37,640
Never been on this road.

3738
03:41:37,840 --> 03:41:38,480
I don't know if.

3739
03:41:38,520 --> 03:41:39,610
Sorry, you don't believe me?

3740
03:41:39,720 --> 03:41:40,320
But uh.

3741
03:41:40,560 --> 03:41:41,960
It we've never bladed.

3742
03:41:42,040 --> 03:41:42,640
That Rook.

3743
03:41:43,640 --> 03:41:45,000
OK, well, I think.

3744
03:41:45,720 --> 03:41:47,680
That if a request should be.

3745
03:41:47,800 --> 03:41:49,040
Available to.

3746
03:41:50,160 --> 03:41:52,840
That's for the student already answered.

3747
03:41:54,850 --> 03:41:56,090
David, come back.

3748
03:41:56,480 --> 03:41:57,040
Thank you.

3749
03:41:57,120 --> 03:42:02,480
That number was answered within the time frame I'm. I'm not sure where it goes from there, but I did provide my response.

3750
03:42:02,640 --> 03:42:04,520
And to elaborate on what Chuck said.

3751
03:42:04,720 --> 03:42:06,360
Bisbee Rd. has never been touched.

3752
03:42:06,600 --> 03:42:07,840
Co 17.

3753
03:42:07,920 --> 03:42:09,040
As far as I'm concerned.

3754
03:42:09,160 --> 03:42:11,680
Even my guys have been around for 20 plus years.

3755
03:42:11,760 --> 03:42:14,120
Said the same thing. They've never seen that real touch.

3756
03:42:14,520 --> 03:42:16,040
Now Big Diggins is maintained.

3757
03:42:16,320 --> 03:42:18,360
Primarily once or twice a year for the.

3758
03:42:18,440 --> 03:42:19,080
For the gem show.

3759
03:42:19,640 --> 03:42:20,640
With a Rock on roundup.

3760
03:42:20,880 --> 03:42:21,760
And that's about it.

3761
03:42:23,250 --> 03:42:25,610
And if we ever saw a gate closed on that road, we would.

3762
03:42:25,880 --> 03:42:28,040
Have it reopened because it is a through Rd.

3763
03:42:29,300 --> 03:42:32,100
But nothing's ever been done on Bisbee to my to my knowledge.

3764
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:33,930
All right. Thank you.

3765
03:42:34,520 --> 03:42:36,640
Barry, I guess.

3766
03:42:37,200 --> 03:42:38,320
Excuse me, Mary Mead.

3767
03:42:38,760 --> 03:42:40,120
Couple things one.

3768
03:42:41,160 --> 03:42:44,720
When I was looking at that, somebody had sent me the GPS points.

3769
03:42:45,240 --> 03:42:46,240
Of the locked.

3770
03:42:46,400 --> 03:42:49,840
Gates. They overlaid it in ESRI's ARC GIS.

3771
03:42:50,600 --> 03:42:51,880
Online program.

3772
03:42:52,730 --> 03:42:55,970
And within that, I also pulled up the county parcel.

3773
03:42:56,080 --> 03:42:57,600
Database.

3774
03:42:57,880 --> 03:43:00,400
So we're not pocket Onyx or whatever.

3775
03:43:00,520 --> 03:43:04,800
You know, tool that you want to use. We're talking county data.

3776
03:43:05,440 --> 03:43:09,560
And the locked gates certainly appeared to be on.

3777
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:12,000
To the right to the east DoD land.

3778
03:43:12,240 --> 03:43:13,400
Solidly uh.

3779
03:43:13,480 --> 03:43:16,240
And certainly appeared to be on BLM land.

3780
03:43:17,290 --> 03:43:18,570
To the southwest.

3781
03:43:19,000 --> 03:43:20,680
Second part of that is.

3782
03:43:24,980 --> 03:43:27,330
As we, as we follow the road down.

3783
03:43:27,960 --> 03:43:29,480
There's the Alamo Ranch.

3784
03:43:29,720 --> 03:43:31,360
The Alamo Ranch has a private.

3785
03:43:32,040 --> 03:43:33,850
Parcel down in there.

3786
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:35,680
That road goes right into it.

3787
03:43:36,360 --> 03:43:41,340
From what I can see on the satellite imagery, there's actually a trailer there. Whether it's abandoned or not, I don't know. I

3788
03:43:41,340 --> 03:43:46,320
haven't traveled there, but I would think you should at least look at the Alamo Ranch.

3789
03:43:46,590 --> 03:43:48,190
Easement and see what.

3790
03:43:48,830 --> 03:43:53,030
They've been given over time, like I'm told that they've been around a long time.

3791
03:43:54,320 --> 03:43:55,360
So I'll put that out there.

3792
03:43:55,910 --> 03:43:57,230
Thank you. Thank you, Chuck.

3793
03:43:57,790 --> 03:43:58,510
So is.

3794
03:43:58,710 --> 03:44:00,070
I guess the question too is like.

3795
03:44:01,190 --> 03:44:03,870
Was John Keck notified of this road closure?

3796
03:44:04,550 --> 03:44:06,790
No, he's not a connecting or joining property.

3797
03:44:07,110 --> 03:44:07,510
So.

3798
03:44:08,580 --> 03:44:09,520
Back to.

3799
03:44:10,390 --> 03:44:11,830
I guess there was a question there.

3800
03:44:14,710 --> 03:44:16,390
This gate, which I believe is.

3801
03:44:16,550 --> 03:44:17,750
Sits on coffee. Coffee.

3802
03:44:17,950 --> 03:44:18,630
Was long.

3803
03:44:19,110 --> 03:44:22,670
Inappropriate because this is still a County Road, so the submission votes.

3804
03:44:23,630 --> 03:44:25,030
So that gate should not be.

3805
03:44:26,040 --> 03:44:27,320
It escape not well.

3806
03:44:27,830 --> 03:44:30,030
This gate law and.

3807
03:44:30,350 --> 03:44:32,030
Despite what this?

3808
03:44:32,230 --> 03:44:35,630
It cannot be on human property. You would have to be worth a mileage.

3809
03:44:36,030 --> 03:44:37,430
That's clearly in the middle of.

3810
03:44:37,830 --> 03:44:38,870
Private properties.

3811
03:44:38,990 --> 03:44:40,270
And that road is not.

3812
03:44:41,470 --> 03:44:43,190
State it's not. Bills in it's not.

3813
03:44:45,120 --> 03:44:47,480
Even if you don't abandoned this road that day.

3814
03:44:47,750 --> 03:44:48,630
The life of law.

3815
03:44:49,580 --> 03:44:51,480
And you can do not if you have permission from the owner.

3816
03:44:52,620 --> 03:44:55,300
Same as your driveway, same as mine.

3817
03:44:56,140 --> 03:44:57,560
Private property permission.

3818
03:44:59,150 --> 03:45:01,190
Unless someone wants to make a public or.

3819
03:45:02,550 --> 03:45:03,950
Something negative to that process.

3820
03:45:06,600 --> 03:45:08,360
Do you want me to discuss the alternative?

3821
03:45:09,260 --> 03:45:10,280
That would be wonderful.

3822
03:45:10,390 --> 03:45:12,110
Please do, I would appreciate that.

3823
03:45:12,270 --> 03:45:14,950
OK, so there is an alternative.

3824
03:45:15,630 --> 03:45:16,710
In the future if you want.

3825
03:45:17,230 --> 03:45:22,390
Section lines by New Mexico statute can be declared count on roads by a board of county commissioner.

3826
03:45:22,830 --> 03:45:24,270
That's a statutory right.

3827
03:45:24,870 --> 03:45:27,110
If you declared a County Road, it's 500.

3828
03:45:27,430 --> 03:45:28,390
Feet from this.

3829
03:45:28,670 --> 03:45:30,630
First gate to the.

3830
03:45:30,750 --> 03:45:31,230
The section.

3831
03:45:33,580 --> 03:45:37,280
And then you declare that section line Rd. which will connect you right back here.

3832
03:45:37,830 --> 03:45:39,150
As that is a County Road.

3833
03:45:39,670 --> 03:45:40,870
No cost until you.

3834
03:45:41,430 --> 03:45:42,870
When you develop into the state landowner.

3835
03:45:42,990 --> 03:45:45,630
Basharat here coming down is.

3836
03:45:45,790 --> 03:45:47,950
Feeling I'd like them to be a cost.

3837
03:45:48,430 --> 03:45:49,430
This also we don't.

3838
03:45:49,510 --> 03:45:50,830
Not flexibly duty calls.

3839
03:45:51,150 --> 03:45:52,110
Here's the.

3840
03:45:52,190 --> 03:45:53,310
Likely to be.

3841
03:45:53,830 --> 03:45:55,110
But once the.

3842
03:45:55,270 --> 03:45:58,670
Commission exercises the statutory rights and players section line room.

3843
03:45:59,070 --> 03:46:00,630
That is not something that can be.

3844
03:46:00,830 --> 03:46:01,950
They cater to the future.

3845
03:46:02,870 --> 03:46:04,790
Should be a statutory right we should never give.

3846
03:46:06,360 --> 03:46:08,120
So I've got a question for you, Chuck.

3847
03:46:08,310 --> 03:46:11,630
There is access through Big Diggings Rd.

3848
03:46:12,550 --> 03:46:13,150
To that.

3849
03:46:14,710 --> 03:46:17,710
As you can see, big against the Positive talk studios.

3850
03:46:18,030 --> 03:46:20,270
State that old federal, state, private.

3851
03:46:20,910 --> 03:46:24,590
So big 80s, one drive along there and then gets access into this country.

3852
03:46:24,990 --> 03:46:26,710
And also feeling that you.

3853
03:46:27,070 --> 03:46:32,350
Let's see, all right. And then we have another option should that be pursued for?

3854
03:46:32,510 --> 03:46:35,070
A section Rd. or section line Rd.

3855
03:46:35,930 --> 03:46:38,000
If necessary, yes, it's become.

3856
03:46:38,270 --> 03:46:40,430
Difficult or problematic from the other, there's.

3857
03:46:40,590 --> 03:46:45,350
Access from the South, there's access from the West, right? That's always a resolution to be considered.

3858
03:46:46,850 --> 03:46:47,450
All right.

3859
03:46:48,030 --> 03:46:52,370
So for the understanding of everybody, for those that have taken the position that by closing that road, there's no access, there

3860
03:46:52,370 --> 03:46:56,710
is access.

3861
03:46:58,270 --> 03:47:04,430
I I hope you understand that a private property we can't command that somebody open their gate.

3862
03:47:05,030 --> 03:47:09,030
Through their property to get where they're going. It's a private property. Rd.

3863
03:47:10,160 --> 03:47:15,280
So I'm going to ask or or Chris, do you want to add any?

3864
03:47:16,880 --> 03:47:17,840
It please yes.

3865
03:47:18,590 --> 03:47:19,710
Please come on up, ma'am.

3866
03:47:23,170 --> 03:47:27,405
Please identify yourself. Speak into the mic. Sorry for prolonging this but it's just been called to my attention that the state

3867
03:47:27,405 --> 03:47:31,640
land.

3868
03:47:31,790 --> 03:47:33,070
The state land map.

3869
03:47:33,150 --> 03:47:35,190
Also identifies it as a County Road.

3870
03:47:35,670 --> 03:47:38,230
So there may be some question about that.

3871
03:47:38,950 --> 03:47:40,030
Just want to make sure you.

3872
03:47:40,470 --> 03:47:42,670
Thank you Fernando's for the question also.

3873
03:47:43,470 --> 03:47:44,790
Please come on up, Fernanda.

3874
03:47:51,540 --> 03:47:55,240
Thank you for the opportunity, Fernando Clemente, State Wildlife Commissioner.

3875
03:47:55,590 --> 03:47:58,510
And the reason why I'm here is and I'm hearing.

3876
03:47:58,870 --> 03:48:03,030
Your voice, you're right. Private rights have rights, and we got to respect that.

3877
03:48:04,070 --> 03:48:06,070
Has the county look into?

3878
03:48:06,230 --> 03:48:07,670
Because we come across.

3879
03:48:07,830 --> 03:48:12,990
This often. Sometimes there they start, some roads they start.

3880
03:48:13,070 --> 03:48:16,950
Start as a state road and then they they're passed to the county.

3881
03:48:17,470 --> 03:48:20,270
Within that passage there is a stipulations.

3882
03:48:20,390 --> 03:48:22,390
That roads if the county.

3883
03:48:22,470 --> 03:48:23,470
Abandons.

3884
03:48:23,870 --> 03:48:27,270
An existing or Passover state Rd.

3885
03:48:27,750 --> 03:48:29,430
Most likely has to be.

3886
03:48:29,750 --> 03:48:32,430
Be provided the information to the state.

3887
03:48:32,550 --> 03:48:36,530
And maybe the state will take over because those a lot of the roads within the state of New Mexico that were provided for access

3888
03:48:36,530 --> 03:48:40,510
so.

3889
03:48:40,990 --> 03:48:45,790
Is that being looking to the state records if that road was a state records?

3890
03:48:47,190 --> 03:48:48,590
Prior to being.

3891
03:48:48,670 --> 03:48:56,110
County Road and what is the what is the the actual rulings or the stipulations whenever it was passed on?

3892
03:48:56,470 --> 03:48:59,110
That's one of the things, one thing that we got to look at is.

3893
03:48:59,310 --> 03:49:01,790
The here is the presidency.

3894
03:49:02,150 --> 03:49:04,430
If we start closing roads that there were.

3895
03:49:04,510 --> 03:49:06,630
Being provided for access.

3896
03:49:07,030 --> 03:49:08,310
At what point?

3897
03:49:08,390 --> 03:49:09,390
We're gonna start.

3898
03:49:09,510 --> 03:49:17,790
Shutting down and lacking land, that's actually that's a concern lacking landlocked is a big concern that we have because we.

3899
03:49:17,950 --> 03:49:21,230
We always fight for access to the public lands.

3900
03:49:21,710 --> 03:49:22,270
Thank you.

3901
03:49:22,470 --> 03:49:27,650
But in your in your in your comments, you acknowledge private property. Your concern is what might happen in the future or it sets

3902
03:49:27,650 --> 03:49:32,830
a precedent for.

3903
03:49:34,870 --> 03:49:36,600
People losing access.

3904
03:49:36,830 --> 03:49:38,670
Direct to public lands, yes. OK.

3905
03:49:38,870 --> 03:49:41,270
But we've just defined the fact that through.

3906
03:49:41,350 --> 03:49:47,590
Big diggings. There is access and there could be another alternative considered where another Rd. could be put in.

3907
03:49:47,830 --> 03:49:49,390
To get to that property.

3908
03:49:49,470 --> 03:49:54,270
Correct. But if this, if this, so we're talking about that road was a County Road.

3909
03:49:54,350 --> 03:49:55,070
To begin with.

3910
03:49:55,270 --> 03:49:57,150
Right now sits as a County Road.

3911
03:49:57,230 --> 03:49:58,790
There is a gate luggage.

3912
03:49:58,910 --> 03:49:59,950
I don't care if it's.

3913
03:50:00,550 --> 03:50:02,790
That road seats on private property.

3914
03:50:02,910 --> 03:50:05,270
The actual gate goes over the road.

3915
03:50:05,390 --> 03:50:06,270
What is the?

3916
03:50:06,430 --> 03:50:07,590
A County Road.

3917
03:50:07,670 --> 03:50:10,270
What is a County Road? It's a public Rd.

3918
03:50:10,670 --> 03:50:11,470
It doesn't matter.

3919
03:50:11,630 --> 03:50:13,190
That is an illegal gate.

3920
03:50:15,860 --> 03:50:19,040
Lock gate, I should say. Not an illegal gate, I'm sorry.

3921
03:50:19,750 --> 03:50:25,270
But if there is, if that road was created, obviously we see that yellow, that is that.

3922
03:50:26,450 --> 03:50:28,280
Apparently it's not a Rd.

3923
03:50:28,390 --> 03:50:30,190
But it is in certain maps.

3924
03:50:30,310 --> 03:50:36,230
So that's what I'm, that's what I'm asking is why we don't look at the state records and see if.

3925
03:50:36,710 --> 03:50:38,630
Prior to when it became.

3926
03:50:38,910 --> 03:50:42,550
County Road. It was a state road at one point.

3927
03:50:42,910 --> 03:50:45,830
And that existed, so that should be maintained.

3928
03:50:46,310 --> 03:50:48,710
With the other part of the County Road.

3929
03:50:48,870 --> 03:50:50,950
So that is not the public's fault.

3930
03:50:52,080 --> 03:50:57,140
You understand what I'm saying? So you could have access. So you can tell me I could have access going from here all the way to

3931
03:50:57,140 --> 03:51:02,200
Santa Fe, Santa Fe going all the way to Arizona and come back.

3932
03:51:02,350 --> 03:51:03,390
I'll have an access.

3933
03:51:03,510 --> 03:51:06,070
So you're telling me that you're gonna close a road because.

3934
03:51:06,190 --> 03:51:08,510
There's already other access points.

3935
03:51:09,190 --> 03:51:11,350
Well, that's not how.

3936
03:51:11,430 --> 03:51:14,590
That was designed to begin with. That is not.

3937
03:51:15,070 --> 03:51:17,110
It was to provide that access.

3938
03:51:17,310 --> 03:51:19,510
Whether it's for the benefit of the public.

3939
03:51:19,830 --> 03:51:21,790
For the benefit of the actual.

3940
03:51:21,870 --> 03:51:22,750
Land owners.

3941
03:51:22,950 --> 03:51:24,230
We don't know the easements.

3942
03:51:24,550 --> 03:51:25,030
I don't know.

3943
03:51:25,190 --> 03:51:26,230
That's what I'm saying.

3944
03:51:26,350 --> 03:51:27,670
Things should be looked at.

3945
03:51:28,500 --> 03:51:30,000
Very closely before.

3946
03:51:30,630 --> 03:51:34,310
The the the motion to start closing chatting down roads.

3947
03:51:34,590 --> 03:51:36,870
One of the things that I can tell you and real quick to end up.

3948
03:51:37,230 --> 03:51:38,590
This is a country that I.

3949
03:51:38,750 --> 03:51:39,750
So proud.

3950
03:51:39,830 --> 03:51:43,870
That is the only country in the world that you can whenever you're born.

3951
03:51:43,950 --> 03:51:45,710
You're born. You have a piece of land.

3952
03:51:45,830 --> 03:51:47,910
That you can enjoy and you can access.

3953
03:51:48,030 --> 03:51:48,710
And you can.

3954
03:51:48,950 --> 03:51:51,150
Do what you what you like to do.

3955
03:51:51,750 --> 03:51:56,110
Closing I just heard a great presentation by a state representative.

3956
03:51:56,230 --> 03:51:58,030
On the jobs, on the youth.

3957
03:51:58,310 --> 03:51:59,230
On how?

3958
03:51:59,630 --> 03:52:00,950
Youth are not being.

3959
03:52:01,190 --> 03:52:02,750
What this provides those?

3960
03:52:02,870 --> 03:52:09,360
Those access, those access provides opportunities, opens big doors to the future generations.

3961
03:52:09,470 --> 03:52:10,670
To be able to be meant.

3962
03:52:11,590 --> 03:52:12,510
Behavioral Health.

3963
03:52:12,910 --> 03:52:13,710
Healthy.

3964
03:52:13,950 --> 03:52:16,600
To be able to give opportunities for jobs.

3965
03:52:16,750 --> 03:52:21,190
Or things like that. It's just think that that's why it's so important. That's the reason why I'm here.

3966
03:52:21,590 --> 03:52:24,030
Thanks, I appreciate your comments Sir.

3967
03:52:24,670 --> 03:52:28,110
Is there anybody else before I call on Chuck to come up and respond to that?

3968
03:52:28,630 --> 03:52:29,270
Yes, Sir.

3969
03:52:33,310 --> 03:52:34,750
Hi there, David Biker.

3970
03:52:35,270 --> 03:52:38,390
You've mentioned that this is the official county map.

3971
03:52:39,660 --> 03:52:42,140
Chuck and speaking I want to look at the map.

3972
03:52:42,990 --> 03:52:44,350
I see a road on there.

3973
03:52:45,560 --> 03:52:49,080
And so and it also says proposed abandoned.

3974
03:52:49,990 --> 03:52:51,550
So if it was never.

3975
03:52:52,230 --> 03:52:54,030
Why is it on your official map?

3976
03:52:54,550 --> 03:52:57,590
And if it says proposed amendment abandonment?

3977
03:52:57,990 --> 03:52:59,350
If you don't own it.

3978
03:52:59,750 --> 03:53:01,150
How can you abandon it?

3979
03:53:02,580 --> 03:53:05,440
So the fact that that shows a road that says.

3980
03:53:05,710 --> 03:53:09,070
You're willing to abandon it says that you own it. Great, now.

3981
03:53:11,100 --> 03:53:14,200
And it's on your map and you entered it into the record.

3982
03:53:15,560 --> 03:53:16,760
That's all I have. Thank you.

3983
03:53:16,990 --> 03:53:17,680
Thank you.

3984
03:53:20,240 --> 03:53:22,960
Chuck the mics yours again.

3985
03:53:23,830 --> 03:53:25,470
That's based on our county map.

3986
03:53:28,110 --> 03:53:28,790
The blue area.

3987
03:53:29,110 --> 03:53:31,070
That invite me to show.

3988
03:53:31,870 --> 03:53:33,310
Green Rd. that's on the map.

3989
03:53:33,710 --> 03:53:36,950
I highlighted the green portion, which means unmaintained County Road.

3990
03:53:37,070 --> 03:53:42,150
Red yellow is not on our map. You can't even speak if you go to our GS website.

3991
03:53:42,430 --> 03:53:43,990
I added that so we could.

3992
03:53:44,350 --> 03:53:45,910
Illustrate where.

3993
03:53:46,150 --> 03:53:47,070
Non roads are not.

3994
03:53:47,270 --> 03:53:48,510
They're not county roads.

3995
03:53:48,710 --> 03:53:49,710
There, there's nothing.

3996
03:53:50,230 --> 03:53:53,270
There's it's not on the state line map of 2022, I checked.

3997
03:53:53,790 --> 03:53:55,350
I'm not being confident.

3998
03:53:55,470 --> 03:53:58,110
20 Twenty-two State landmap does not show any roads.

3999
03:53:58,270 --> 03:53:59,550
State roads down there at all?

4000
03:54:00,070 --> 03:54:01,710
If it was historically there.

4001
03:54:01,750 --> 03:54:03,880
The state didn't mention that when they sent a letter.

4002
03:54:03,950 --> 03:54:06,790
The state land office and say hey by the way our Rd. connects to that.

4003
03:54:07,660 --> 03:54:10,520
They have not maintained it, they've not paid for it, they've not done anything.

4004
03:54:10,790 --> 03:54:12,790
Our County Road ends at that section.

4005
03:54:13,660 --> 03:54:14,140
Period.

4006
03:54:16,380 --> 03:54:18,240
What about a prescriptive easement?

4007
03:54:18,710 --> 03:54:20,110
What can you tell us about that?

4008
03:54:21,230 --> 03:54:23,200
Prescriptive easements can be.

4009
03:54:24,550 --> 03:54:27,510
Obtained after 10 years of opening. Notorious use.

4010
03:54:27,590 --> 03:54:28,630
Under color of law.

4011
03:54:29,190 --> 03:54:30,830
The way that's established is in court.

4012
03:54:31,310 --> 03:54:32,390
Counties don't do it.

4013
03:54:32,590 --> 03:54:33,630
People, I don't do it.

4014
03:54:33,710 --> 03:54:34,950
County managers don't do it.

4015
03:54:35,190 --> 03:54:38,950
A judge has to do that, so an action has to be filed for a prescriptive easement.

4016
03:54:39,350 --> 03:54:43,990
And then it can be declared and then the compensation due to the person whose property has been.

4017
03:54:44,270 --> 03:54:46,270
Essentially, condemned is determined.

4018
03:54:48,410 --> 03:54:49,920
So this possibly.

4019
03:54:51,170 --> 03:54:52,410
Through investigation.

4020
03:54:52,510 --> 03:54:54,470
Could have a prescriptive easement.

4021
03:54:54,710 --> 03:54:56,350
Or are you saying that it would have?

4022
03:54:56,790 --> 03:54:58,910
You said something about a road being.

4023
03:54:59,630 --> 03:55:01,280
Open for 10 years.

4024
03:55:02,030 --> 03:55:03,350
Prescriptive easements.

4025
03:55:03,790 --> 03:55:07,950
Prescriptive easements can be established after 10 years of continuous, open and notorious use, meaning it's obvious you would say

4026
03:55:07,950 --> 03:55:12,110
that that.

4027
03:55:12,190 --> 03:55:16,790
Oh, I'm not going to play judge here. Qualifies. I'm not playing judge here. That's an argument you and make to a judge.

4028
03:55:16,910 --> 03:55:17,910
I'm not the judge.

4029
03:55:18,710 --> 03:55:23,190
And then the next part is under color of law, you have to have some authority like I gave you a deed for it. Even though it's a

4030
03:55:23,190 --> 03:55:27,670
false deed, you have color of law meaning I know why I think it's mine or.

4031
03:55:27,870 --> 03:55:33,270
Or not. So that would be whoever wants to try and claim that prescriptive reason would have to meet those elements.

4032
03:55:33,630 --> 03:55:34,710
In District Court.

4033
03:55:40,350 --> 03:55:40,630
OK.

4034
03:55:49,160 --> 03:55:49,880
Yes, ma'am.

4035
03:55:50,150 --> 03:55:50,910
Please come on up.

4036
03:55:55,260 --> 03:55:56,420
Please identify yourself.

4037
03:55:56,910 --> 03:55:59,430
Good evening everyone. My name is Brianna Coxdale.

4038
03:56:00,180 --> 03:56:03,460
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to interject.

4039
03:56:04,790 --> 03:56:06,990
I understand that Onyx.

4040
03:56:07,350 --> 03:56:12,430
Apple and Google Maps may not be good sources for Rd. information.

4041
03:56:13,470 --> 03:56:16,840
But I have information here from the state.

4042
03:56:17,030 --> 03:56:22,270
Lands.org, nmstatelands.org. They have an interactive map available.

4043
03:56:22,630 --> 03:56:28,030
I know Chuck had mentioned he did not see it on the state Land office maps.

4044
03:56:28,670 --> 03:56:30,560
But I have it here in front of me.

4045
03:56:31,070 --> 03:56:35,910
And these are the details right here where the road doesn't.

4046
03:56:36,190 --> 03:56:44,310
With Jeff and I have it on the map in front of me marked with a 17 all the way through from the state land office.

4047
03:56:44,710 --> 03:56:46,390
So it is marked.

4048
03:56:47,840 --> 03:56:50,840
And I just wanted to share that information. I think the state is a good.

4049
03:56:50,950 --> 03:56:52,270
Source of information.

4050
03:56:52,590 --> 03:56:53,350
So that's.

4051
03:56:53,470 --> 03:56:54,870
So that's 4 maps now.

4052
03:56:55,070 --> 03:56:56,550
Yeah, Chuck.

4053
03:56:56,670 --> 03:56:58,830
Thank you ma'am. I appreciate your comments.

4054
03:56:59,310 --> 03:57:02,910
The interactive map on the state website is not the state road map.

4055
03:57:03,110 --> 03:57:07,830
That is an Esri base map. That's a private county that also provides Google Maps.

4056
03:57:08,150 --> 03:57:10,310
Apple Maps and Onyx, their base maps.

4057
03:57:10,590 --> 03:57:12,200
So they're all getting the same mistake.

4058
03:57:12,550 --> 03:57:13,550
From the same place.

4059
03:57:14,270 --> 03:57:15,110
The state.

4060
03:57:15,150 --> 03:57:17,320
On their official map of roads does not acknowledge it.

4061
03:57:17,550 --> 03:57:21,230
The interactive map is not the official state map that is Ezra based.

4062
03:57:22,670 --> 03:57:25,470
So the map that we go by is our map.

4063
03:57:25,550 --> 03:57:29,050
That the correct understanding right is the best determiner of what a County Road is, is the county's records, which is what our

4064
03:57:29,050 --> 03:57:32,550
map is based on.

4065
03:57:33,690 --> 03:57:38,050
And what we've been reporting to the state for the past, I don't know how many years when we report.

4066
03:57:38,190 --> 03:57:39,670
Our annual Rd. inventory.

4067
03:57:39,790 --> 03:57:41,870
Which has never included anything.

4068
03:57:42,950 --> 03:57:43,350
Of uh.

4069
03:57:43,550 --> 03:57:45,310
Section line 20 and 19.

4070
03:57:46,960 --> 03:57:51,560
Well, I think that's what's part of the HIPAA request is to look at some of those records.

4071
03:57:52,190 --> 03:57:54,190
And it was delivered.

4072
03:57:54,470 --> 03:57:55,670
That response was delivered.

4073
03:57:56,410 --> 03:57:58,880
Because there are no record, they want the records of maintenance.

4074
03:57:58,950 --> 03:57:59,640
There aren't any.

4075
03:57:59,990 --> 03:58:01,630
Because it's never been maintained.

4076
03:58:01,990 --> 03:58:04,150
They want the records of declaring an accounting Rd.

4077
03:58:04,510 --> 03:58:05,910
There aren't any because.

4078
03:58:06,310 --> 03:58:09,030
West of that we never declared it county. I mean I got a call it.

4079
03:58:09,270 --> 03:58:11,190
This morning early saying that they.

4080
03:58:11,310 --> 03:58:13,470
We're still waiting for the April request.

4081
03:58:14,420 --> 03:58:15,840
I'm not sure which one that is.

4082
03:58:15,950 --> 03:58:18,120
I know David and mine already replied to the first one.

4083
03:58:18,190 --> 03:58:20,040
If there's another one, I'm not aware of it yet.

4084
03:58:21,030 --> 03:58:22,590
Well, maybe we should find out.

4085
03:58:22,710 --> 03:58:24,590
Maybe they should have made a timely request.

4086
03:58:24,790 --> 03:58:26,630
Before this came up, it's been two months.

4087
03:58:27,390 --> 03:58:30,110
I mean, do we make an request was made?

4088
03:58:30,630 --> 03:58:32,230
I'm not sure what the request is either.

4089
03:58:33,130 --> 03:58:34,600
And I don't know how that's relevant.

4090
03:58:34,830 --> 03:58:35,750
To whether?

4091
03:58:36,350 --> 03:58:40,550
Well, the facts are the facts. I don't know what the questions are on the request, so.

4092
03:58:40,830 --> 03:58:44,430
Well, we don't even know that there has been another request. I mean, I.

4093
03:58:45,110 --> 03:58:50,030
We're being told that all requests received and responded to. There's a request that.

4094
03:58:50,590 --> 03:58:52,230
Pertains to this.

4095
03:58:52,310 --> 03:58:53,310
Abandonment.

4096
03:58:55,270 --> 03:58:56,190
Should we just?

4097
03:58:57,060 --> 03:58:57,740
We need to.

4098
03:58:58,230 --> 03:58:59,270
In all fairness.

4099
03:59:00,170 --> 03:59:02,120
Wait to make a decision.

4100
03:59:02,470 --> 03:59:04,230
And or ask for a public hearing.

4101
03:59:05,390 --> 03:59:06,990
Let me make sure I'm clear.

4102
03:59:07,390 --> 03:59:09,030
If we have an upper request.

4103
03:59:09,230 --> 03:59:11,070
And it's the day of every meeting.

4104
03:59:11,590 --> 03:59:16,270
That we have. You're going to move to delay. It's like, oh, I've got another request. We can do this for Infinity.

4105
03:59:16,790 --> 03:59:19,630
I don't think that's correct because IPRA has no think that was.

4106
03:59:19,750 --> 03:59:21,670
I don't think that was a plan, but.

4107
03:59:23,150 --> 03:59:25,030
There is an upper request out there.

4108
03:59:25,510 --> 03:59:26,310
And.

4109
03:59:26,910 --> 03:59:29,870
The gentleman said that he had not received it.

4110
03:59:29,990 --> 03:59:31,430
Anything back from the county?

4111
03:59:31,790 --> 03:59:34,670
Is he here today? He did say that there was a letter.

4112
03:59:35,070 --> 03:59:36,150
Stating that.

4113
03:59:36,830 --> 03:59:38,350
The county had received.

4114
03:59:39,410 --> 03:59:40,840
The request which is.

4115
03:59:41,550 --> 03:59:42,950
Pretty that.

4116
03:59:43,230 --> 03:59:45,670
That's a three day notice, so that tells me that.

4117
03:59:45,830 --> 03:59:47,590
That request is within the last three days.

4118
03:59:47,710 --> 03:59:50,030
Because you get that standard notice within three days.

4119
03:59:50,070 --> 03:59:51,760
Well, he didn't tell me when he received it.

4120
03:59:51,830 --> 03:59:53,710
He just told me that he had received it.

4121
03:59:53,830 --> 03:59:55,350
And was waiting for the rest.

4122
03:59:57,130 --> 04:00:00,120
I don't know what else I can tell you, or unless there's any other questions.

4123
04:00:01,880 --> 04:00:06,440
I mean, I don't have a personal dog in this fight. No, I I know you don't. I'm, I'm trying to understand what.

4124
04:00:06,830 --> 04:00:08,470
The Commissioner is saying here.

4125
04:00:08,910 --> 04:00:13,310
So there was an emperor request, the first one that it was responded to, you're saying?

4126
04:00:13,430 --> 04:00:16,190
That there is another RIP request that has been issued.

4127
04:00:16,470 --> 04:00:22,390
In the last three days that was responded to and you want us to wait, is that correct?

4128
04:00:22,750 --> 04:00:24,390
Well, in all fairness, I want to.

4129
04:00:24,510 --> 04:00:29,010
Know what he asked for, it could be pertinent to the decision. Well, I mean you have more knowledge than any of us because you're

4130
04:00:29,010 --> 04:00:33,510
saying that there is one and if there is one, be.

4131
04:00:33,670 --> 04:00:35,430
Tell us what it is when it was done.

4132
04:00:35,710 --> 04:00:37,110
I don't know, it was just.

4133
04:00:37,350 --> 04:00:40,230
Told me that there's a HIPAA request out there.

4134
04:00:40,310 --> 04:00:41,670
He received notice.

4135
04:00:41,790 --> 04:00:43,310
And that he's waiting.

4136
04:00:43,430 --> 04:00:44,240
To see.

4137
04:00:45,010 --> 04:00:47,320
The results of it I know part of it was.

4138
04:00:47,470 --> 04:00:48,350
Some of the.

4139
04:00:48,470 --> 04:00:49,230
I believe the.

4140
04:00:49,590 --> 04:00:51,430
The blade maintenance from Rd.

4141
04:00:51,590 --> 04:00:52,470
Department.

4142
04:00:54,250 --> 04:00:55,170
So all I know.

4143
04:00:56,710 --> 04:00:57,870
Yes, please do, Chuck.

4144
04:01:01,690 --> 04:01:02,600
Are you answering that?

4145
04:01:02,990 --> 04:01:04,750
No, I said. We answered that one already.

4146
04:01:05,990 --> 04:01:08,910
We've answered these I I thought we.

4147
04:01:09,350 --> 04:01:11,510
You can't continue to enter the stall.

4148
04:01:11,710 --> 04:01:13,190
Which is not exactly what's happening.

4149
04:01:13,470 --> 04:01:14,190
So.

4150
04:01:16,420 --> 04:01:18,040
The questions have been answered.

4151
04:01:20,560 --> 04:01:24,040
The road in question is not a maintained Rd.

4152
04:01:26,250 --> 04:01:29,160
It is on private property, it doesn't go anywhere.

4153
04:01:29,270 --> 04:01:32,910
Even if you could go on that road, it goes to a perfectly legal lock gate.

4154
04:01:34,040 --> 04:01:35,560
All the stuff on Internet.

4155
04:01:35,750 --> 04:01:37,990
Our Facebook and all these.

4156
04:01:38,670 --> 04:01:42,110
Polls had inaccurate information to start with. It said it was a maintained Rd. It's not a maintained Rd. There's a million

4157
04:01:42,110 --> 04:01:45,550
problems with this thing.

4158
04:01:46,110 --> 04:01:47,750
But well then.

4159
04:01:47,910 --> 04:01:49,070
I think we should just.

4160
04:01:49,850 --> 04:01:52,760
Make sure we find out exactly what the problems are.

4161
04:01:54,190 --> 04:01:57,950
That's been done, explained away every single contention.

4162
04:01:58,070 --> 04:01:58,790
That you have.

4163
04:01:59,510 --> 04:02:00,230
So if this.

4164
04:02:03,750 --> 04:02:04,710
Is not.

4165
04:02:06,510 --> 04:02:08,190
Here, and it's here.

4166
04:02:08,670 --> 04:02:09,830
On public land.

4167
04:02:09,950 --> 04:02:11,590
And currently a County Road.

4168
04:02:13,040 --> 04:02:13,800
But it's not.

4169
04:02:14,030 --> 04:02:16,110
And I think it's been stipulated that the gate.

4170
04:02:16,390 --> 04:02:19,670
That's just off. There's one just off from Honest that stays unlocked.

4171
04:02:19,910 --> 04:02:20,670
The one that was.

4172
04:02:21,520 --> 04:02:25,840
On the road that was locked, it's been stipulated that should not have been done. It's been unlocked.

4173
04:02:26,270 --> 04:02:27,230
The next gate.

4174
04:02:27,310 --> 04:02:29,830
Is on private property and there's nothing you can do about that.

4175
04:02:30,350 --> 04:02:31,550
Well, I'm just asking to.

4176
04:02:32,190 --> 04:02:33,670
Do anything with private property.

4177
04:02:34,150 --> 04:02:36,510
I'm just concerned about this County Road.

4178
04:02:37,030 --> 04:02:37,830
And.

4179
04:02:38,630 --> 04:02:41,790
The picture I have on Onyx that clearly shows a fence.

4180
04:02:42,070 --> 04:02:43,390
On bill and land.

4181
04:02:43,710 --> 04:02:44,390
And there's.

4182
04:02:44,550 --> 04:02:46,710
Is it a cattle guard, Steve, or is it just a?

4183
04:02:47,390 --> 04:02:49,310
Is is there is the.

4184
04:02:49,550 --> 04:02:52,270
The Cal guard on BLM, there's a fence line.

4185
04:02:53,600 --> 04:02:55,000
You want to come up here and I'll show you.

4186
04:02:56,300 --> 04:02:57,620
Between the red and the.

4187
04:02:58,150 --> 04:03:02,390
Line that gate between the red and the green line.

4188
04:03:03,140 --> 04:03:04,400
Is there a cattle gard?

4189
04:03:06,520 --> 04:03:07,160
Between.

4190
04:03:09,470 --> 04:03:14,670
Bringing in the radius before the law gave us that you took a picture of the pumpation.

4191
04:03:16,230 --> 04:03:17,670
And it's not left now.

4192
04:03:18,480 --> 04:03:21,400
It's not long. Is there a cavalcard there?

4193
04:03:22,950 --> 04:03:24,150
But that's been.

4194
04:03:24,670 --> 04:03:27,230
From years ago, That's the only question he's asked.

4195
04:03:29,070 --> 04:03:31,350
So there's no gate across that Cal guard?

4196
04:03:32,310 --> 04:03:34,070
Yeah, that's getting across the.

4197
04:03:34,350 --> 04:03:36,390
That was it.

4198
04:03:36,670 --> 04:03:39,110
There's no offense. Is it locked?

4199
04:03:39,350 --> 04:03:42,990
You drove across it to look at it was a lot. Did you have to open it?

4200
04:03:43,820 --> 04:03:45,260
To take that picture of the other.

4201
04:03:45,990 --> 04:03:47,390
I believe it was locked.

4202
04:03:47,950 --> 04:03:48,830
I believe you're wrong.

4203
04:03:50,490 --> 04:03:51,960
That gate has not been locked.

4204
04:03:52,350 --> 04:03:55,030
That 8 was put in there by Mr. and Mrs. Crabtick.

4205
04:03:55,950 --> 04:03:57,590
The gate has been opened.

4206
04:03:57,670 --> 04:04:02,630
Since I read that there because I thought a lot of Mr. Braddock and that's his sign giving.

4207
04:04:03,190 --> 04:04:04,070
As a neighbor.

4208
04:04:04,760 --> 04:04:12,310
That baby has not been locked. It's actually sitting on latch that holds it open and you drive the 1000.

4209
04:04:15,500 --> 04:04:17,700
Have you talked to BLM law enforcement?

4210
04:04:18,100 --> 04:04:18,980
I don't have to.

4211
04:04:20,180 --> 04:04:21,100
Border Patrol.

4212
04:04:21,920 --> 04:04:26,400
But well, no, I I mean I know that they use this as kind of a.

4213
04:04:27,180 --> 04:04:28,740
A main thoroughfare to get.

4214
04:04:28,820 --> 04:04:29,980
Down to the middle of that.

4215
04:04:30,580 --> 04:04:32,740
Land. What does that happen?

4216
04:04:34,180 --> 04:04:38,020
Well, I mean, there were a couple cases where there was.

4217
04:04:38,220 --> 04:04:39,260
People that were.

4218
04:04:40,250 --> 04:04:42,690
An emergency situations they called you.

4219
04:04:43,140 --> 04:04:46,900
Search and rescue had to get out there. BLM had to go clear round.

4220
04:04:47,540 --> 04:04:51,780
I believe you're wrong. I've opened the gate for them every single time.

4221
04:04:52,060 --> 04:04:54,780
Two of the deputy sheriff will route for that.

4222
04:04:54,980 --> 04:04:56,380
And several of the.

4223
04:04:56,780 --> 04:05:00,700
The Border Patrol will last.

4224
04:05:01,020 --> 04:05:01,700
We'll answer.

4225
04:05:04,870 --> 04:05:06,870
Any kind of Border Patrol is at all.

4226
04:05:07,060 --> 04:05:09,620
I opened over there and opened the gate runway or another.

4227
04:05:15,230 --> 04:05:16,990
Do you have further questions, Commissioner?

4228
04:05:18,830 --> 04:05:19,550
No, but I.

4229
04:05:20,380 --> 04:05:20,860
I am.

4230
04:05:23,790 --> 04:05:24,870
Hoping that.

4231
04:05:27,800 --> 04:05:30,510
If we choose to close that County Road.

4232
04:05:31,960 --> 04:05:35,800
Where can you? Where can you go on it anyway if you don't vote?

4233
04:05:36,580 --> 04:05:39,540
Well, there's a subdivision there that I know.

4234
04:05:40,780 --> 04:05:42,980
Right. Straight billet.

4235
04:05:44,490 --> 04:05:48,430
I that's reason I told them.

4236
04:05:48,660 --> 04:05:49,860
When I came and asked.

4237
04:05:49,980 --> 04:05:51,060
For this I.

4238
04:05:52,220 --> 04:05:56,900
Do not. I'm not asking to take the Eastman off the BLM because of that.

4239
04:05:58,640 --> 04:05:59,990
They've got access.

4240
04:06:00,180 --> 04:06:01,820
Straight across that feeling.

4241
04:06:02,300 --> 04:06:03,900
Was that subdivision?

4242
04:06:05,190 --> 04:06:07,030
All the owners notified that.

4243
04:06:07,880 --> 04:06:09,030
There could potentially.

4244
04:06:09,420 --> 04:06:10,980
Be blocked out because I thought.

4245
04:06:13,500 --> 04:06:15,300
So you're going to put if you put that.

4246
04:06:15,620 --> 04:06:18,180
Well, yeah, maybe I need an explanation.

4247
04:06:18,300 --> 04:06:19,540
Mr. Credit.

4248
04:06:20,360 --> 04:06:22,070
Mr. Trejo, you know the answer to that.

4249
04:06:22,580 --> 04:06:25,060
We sent letters to every single one of the.

4250
04:06:25,140 --> 04:06:28,900
The subdivision owners, which was established in 1969.

4251
04:06:29,750 --> 04:06:32,990
There is no access from Bisbee Road or anywhere else.

4252
04:06:33,060 --> 04:06:34,180
To that subdivision.

4253
04:06:34,580 --> 04:06:37,820
No one since 1969 has asked for access.

4254
04:06:38,140 --> 04:06:38,820
To that.

4255
04:06:38,940 --> 04:06:42,260
However, the same section line Rd. can be established.

4256
04:06:43,290 --> 04:06:44,090
This point.

4257
04:06:45,420 --> 04:06:46,540
600 feet long.

4258
04:06:46,980 --> 04:06:47,940
To the subsidies.

4259
04:06:49,160 --> 04:06:50,830
I've spoken with.

4260
04:06:51,260 --> 04:06:54,220
Well over a dozen of those property owners.

4261
04:06:54,340 --> 04:06:55,940
All which I got it.

4262
04:06:56,020 --> 04:06:56,740
Not a problem.

4263
04:06:57,020 --> 04:07:02,500
The two that don't agree are the commercial flippers, one from New Hampshire, one from I think Oregon.

4264
04:07:02,580 --> 04:07:04,260
They said, well, we just don't want to change it.

4265
04:07:04,340 --> 04:07:06,190
It's like they've never been on it, never seen it.

4266
04:07:07,120 --> 04:07:09,470
So yes, everyone was notified.

4267
04:07:09,620 --> 04:07:13,940
Know there are no objections from any of them, but we do have a plan in case we need.

4268
04:07:14,220 --> 04:07:17,420
And it would be a section on road on the BLM property again.

4269
04:07:17,540 --> 04:07:19,340
Which the cost of building would be.

4270
04:07:19,460 --> 04:07:20,700
On those owners.

4271
04:07:22,500 --> 04:07:24,740
So we're not land locking anyone. We're we're I'm.

4272
04:07:25,300 --> 04:07:26,820
Bending over backwards not to.

4273
04:07:31,740 --> 04:07:33,020
But.

4274
04:07:37,440 --> 04:07:40,990
But I'm not gonna stand at the end of that road on there's.

4275
04:07:41,830 --> 04:07:43,350
For five months every year.

4276
04:07:43,620 --> 04:07:47,340
Saying I'm sorry that the County Road stops right here.

4277
04:07:47,860 --> 04:07:49,100
You have to go anywhere.

4278
04:07:49,980 --> 04:07:51,300
So how does that?

4279
04:07:51,460 --> 04:07:55,540
You have another violent mile, the mile and a half, but mine needed like a.

4280
04:07:56,300 --> 04:07:57,220
To get the BLM.

4281
04:08:00,770 --> 04:08:01,410
So.

4282
04:08:03,110 --> 04:08:05,910
What? What is the purpose of having a mild?

4283
04:08:06,460 --> 04:08:09,940
County roads that goes to absolutely nobody.

4284
04:08:10,220 --> 04:08:11,340
It's it's.

4285
04:08:11,460 --> 04:08:12,380
It's just that.

4286
04:08:12,500 --> 04:08:13,580
It's on principle.

4287
04:08:13,980 --> 04:08:16,260
Because that's public, public land.

4288
04:08:16,340 --> 04:08:17,740
And it's a public Rd.

4289
04:08:18,740 --> 04:08:19,660
Currently.

4290
04:08:19,780 --> 04:08:25,020
It's private. That's federal land, that mile or whatever it is from the.

4291
04:08:25,100 --> 04:08:26,220
From the pavement.

4292
04:08:26,420 --> 04:08:30,220
So that goes from where that.

4293
04:08:30,460 --> 04:08:34,220
They don't. I'm not asking you to take my clothes for there.

4294
04:08:35,950 --> 04:08:38,870
Strictly, my Mya lives in red right there.

4295
04:08:42,440 --> 04:08:43,990
I didn't ask anything about.

4296
04:08:44,100 --> 04:08:44,380
Feeling.

4297
04:08:48,120 --> 04:08:52,470
And I come in here and does it the right way. I walked in and asked how we go about doing this.

4298
04:08:53,320 --> 04:08:59,160
And explained I've been to the abstract office was three weeks looking for any.

4299
04:09:00,250 --> 04:09:01,950
There is no easement.

4300
04:09:02,740 --> 04:09:03,540
Of any cop.

4301
04:09:04,510 --> 04:09:06,910
In fact, there's not even a telephone easement.

4302
04:09:07,860 --> 04:09:09,500
And there's a telephone number.

4303
04:09:10,280 --> 04:09:13,640
It's on top of the cup size like they did it 100 years ago.

4304
04:09:15,100 --> 04:09:16,700
This road is the same thing.

4305
04:09:17,100 --> 04:09:18,100
It's not that.

4306
04:09:21,440 --> 04:09:25,750
So without being in his way as it's all going because I own.

4307
04:09:28,020 --> 04:09:30,460
Is private lane.

4308
04:09:30,740 --> 04:09:32,700
Well, if I have.

4309
04:09:33,260 --> 04:09:37,900
Please everybody, I don't want this to get out of order and having sidebar conversations.

4310
04:09:41,450 --> 04:09:42,430
All right, pulled it.

4311
04:09:43,020 --> 04:09:44,300
Hauled it, Mary.

4312
04:09:44,900 --> 04:09:46,740
Please please.

4313
04:09:47,100 --> 04:09:49,340
Let's let everybody have their voice, OK?

4314
04:09:49,540 --> 04:09:51,420
Let's don't muddy things.

4315
04:09:51,700 --> 04:09:55,420
John. So from the county's perspective?

4316
04:09:55,580 --> 04:09:57,660
All that road represents for us since it.

4317
04:09:57,780 --> 04:09:59,380
Goes to nowhere legal.

4318
04:09:59,620 --> 04:10:00,500
Is a liability.

4319
04:10:00,860 --> 04:10:03,140
We don't maintain it if you've been on it.

4320
04:10:03,540 --> 04:10:04,620
A little bit bumpy.

4321
04:10:04,980 --> 04:10:10,900
And during hunting season with kids coming out, and that's been part of the problem, coming out, drinking, driving around.

4322
04:10:11,060 --> 04:10:12,020
That just presents.

4323
04:10:12,100 --> 04:10:14,660
Unnecessary liability because it doesn't serve.

4324
04:10:15,020 --> 04:10:17,420
Anything if it connected to a legal.

4325
04:10:17,460 --> 04:10:20,070
Road on the other side of it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

4326
04:10:20,220 --> 04:10:21,860
The request would have been denied.

4327
04:10:22,720 --> 04:10:23,670
The day was made.

4328
04:10:24,060 --> 04:10:28,300
But it doesn't. It doesn't lead to any legal roadway. It only goes a mile.

4329
04:10:28,620 --> 04:10:29,340
To nowhere.

4330
04:10:30,020 --> 04:10:31,540
Liability for us, that's it.

4331
04:10:34,230 --> 04:10:36,510
I just have one question on the on the.

4332
04:10:36,580 --> 04:10:37,100
There's a.

4333
04:10:38,060 --> 04:10:39,100
A runway there.

4334
04:10:39,420 --> 04:10:40,740
Which obviously was.

4335
04:10:41,420 --> 04:10:44,700
A federal, probably runway, I don't know, but.

4336
04:10:45,380 --> 04:10:45,940
Maybe.

4337
04:10:46,620 --> 04:10:48,820
The emergency runway in 19.

4338
04:10:49,620 --> 04:10:50,020
During.

4339
04:10:51,540 --> 04:10:54,060
OK, Emergency room light for the.

4340
04:10:54,340 --> 04:10:58,100
OK, so I'm guessing when you purchase the property, obviously there's no.

4341
04:10:59,790 --> 04:11:01,750
Easement there on that runway.

4342
04:11:05,150 --> 04:11:07,110
Properties whenever they were done with it.

4343
04:11:07,420 --> 04:11:08,180
Refunded back.

4344
04:11:09,180 --> 04:11:10,140
And in fact.

4345
04:11:10,340 --> 04:11:11,940
They actually turned it back.

4346
04:11:12,710 --> 04:11:14,430
All that kind of just turned back.

4347
04:11:14,700 --> 04:11:15,380
To the.

4348
04:11:16,020 --> 04:11:16,780
Original number.

4349
04:11:20,210 --> 04:11:22,470
And answer your next question which?

4350
04:11:22,620 --> 04:11:23,660
You previously asked.

4351
04:11:24,300 --> 04:11:25,940
It's not in the state register.

4352
04:11:26,140 --> 04:11:29,220
I checked with the head of the New Mexico Aviation Division, it's not.

4353
04:11:29,340 --> 04:11:32,260
On any of their maps, it was never an official runway.

4354
04:11:32,380 --> 04:11:33,540
Or landing strip.

4355
04:11:33,940 --> 04:11:34,460
OK.

4356
04:11:37,540 --> 04:11:38,700
Do you have anything further?

4357
04:11:40,580 --> 04:11:41,300
All right.

4358
04:11:42,260 --> 04:11:43,940
May I have a motion please?

4359
04:11:44,020 --> 04:11:44,620
To.

4360
04:11:47,050 --> 04:11:48,930
Yes, I'm going to read that to you, so.

4361
04:11:49,420 --> 04:11:51,500
Education. OK, OK.

4362
04:11:51,900 --> 04:11:53,140
Please speak into your.

4363
04:11:53,260 --> 04:11:56,540
It just says regarding the vacation and abandonment.

4364
04:11:56,940 --> 04:11:59,260
Have certain portions, so does that mean?

4365
04:12:00,210 --> 04:12:01,210
To vote.

4366
04:12:03,050 --> 04:12:04,450
That means that we're motion.

4367
04:12:04,780 --> 04:12:06,780
To abandon that road.

4368
04:12:07,850 --> 04:12:09,350
Is that correct? Is that clear?

4369
04:12:11,040 --> 04:12:11,560
Yes.

4370
04:12:12,540 --> 04:12:16,540
All right, so request a motion to approve the abandonment.

4371
04:12:18,300 --> 04:12:19,580
That's what I do.

4372
04:12:19,740 --> 04:12:20,580
All right.

4373
04:12:20,980 --> 04:12:21,980
That's what I'm doing.

4374
04:12:22,060 --> 04:12:24,100
That's the motion, All right. Do I have?

4375
04:12:27,420 --> 04:12:28,020
OK.

4376
04:12:28,850 --> 04:12:34,190
But you just repeated what I'm going to ask for. So OK, so then I'm going to ask for this. I'm asking for a resolution.

4377
04:12:34,300 --> 04:12:35,060
To approve.

4378
04:12:35,460 --> 04:12:41,980
Or a motion to approve Resolution 2674 regarding the vacation and abandonment of a certain portion of Bisbee Rd.

4379
04:12:42,900 --> 04:12:43,980
I will make the motion.

4380
04:12:44,260 --> 04:12:47,060
To approve the vacation and abandonment.

4381
04:12:47,140 --> 04:12:49,060
Of the certain portion of Busy Rd.

4382
04:12:49,180 --> 04:12:49,780
Thank you.

4383
04:12:49,940 --> 04:12:51,660
Do I have a second from you, Sir?

4384
04:12:52,680 --> 04:12:54,080
Oh, all right.

4385
04:12:54,300 --> 04:12:55,820
I will make a motion.

4386
04:12:55,940 --> 04:12:58,340
To abandon that, I second that.

4387
04:13:00,000 --> 04:13:01,390
All right, may we have a roll call vote?

4388
04:13:01,500 --> 04:13:02,220
Please.

4389
04:13:04,170 --> 04:13:05,750
Commissioner Trejo.

4390
04:13:06,540 --> 04:13:07,460
Chair Harvey.

4391
04:13:07,580 --> 04:13:09,820
Yes, Commissioner Chandler.

4392
04:13:09,940 --> 04:13:10,540
Yes.

4393
04:13:10,620 --> 04:13:11,660
Motion passes.

4394
04:13:11,780 --> 04:13:12,460
Thank you.

4395
04:13:13,210 --> 04:13:14,610
Moving on to.

4396
04:13:15,740 --> 04:13:16,980
Resolution.

4397
04:13:17,720 --> 04:13:21,670
2675 agreement between Luna County with Southwest and Mexico.

4398
04:13:22,440 --> 04:13:24,480
Even with the one we started, Chris and then.

4399
04:13:24,860 --> 04:13:26,740
All right. So I'm going to finish it up then.

4400
04:13:27,020 --> 04:13:34,020
Resolution 2675. Green between Luna County and the Southwest New Mexico Council of Governance and appointment of representatives.

4401
04:13:35,930 --> 04:13:37,390
Chris, would you please?

4402
04:13:37,700 --> 04:13:38,460
Explain that.

4403
04:13:38,700 --> 04:13:41,590
Yes, ma'am, as I stated earlier, this is the annual.

4404
04:13:41,700 --> 04:13:42,540
Assignment of.

4405
04:13:42,700 --> 04:13:43,820
Points of contact for the.

4406
04:13:44,940 --> 04:13:47,900
You are primary on economic development. I'm secondary.

4407
04:13:48,140 --> 04:13:50,580
For the RTPO or the road program?

4408
04:13:51,020 --> 04:13:52,980
David Bailey is the primary, I'm the secondary.

4409
04:13:53,660 --> 04:13:54,660
All right. Thank you.

4410
04:13:57,960 --> 04:13:58,560
Please.

4411
04:14:01,710 --> 04:14:03,310
Can you hold that until afterwards, Sir?

4412
04:14:03,740 --> 04:14:04,340
Thank you.

4413
04:14:06,500 --> 04:14:07,060
All right.

4414
04:14:07,940 --> 04:14:10,940
We've heard the presentation from the county, May I have?

4415
04:14:11,300 --> 04:14:12,260
Let me do this right.

4416
04:14:13,300 --> 04:14:15,900
May I have a motion to approve?

4417
04:14:16,260 --> 04:14:20,540
Or for a motion for 2675 green between Luna County and the Southwest New Mexico Council of Governments and appointment of

4418
04:14:20,540 --> 04:14:24,820
Representatives. So moved, Madam Chair.

4419
04:14:24,940 --> 04:14:25,860
And seconded.

4420
04:14:26,020 --> 04:14:28,140
All right. Thank you. Roll call vote please.

4421
04:14:28,420 --> 04:14:29,900
Commissioner Trejo.

4422
04:14:30,580 --> 04:14:31,500
Chair Harvey.

4423
04:14:31,620 --> 04:14:34,100
Yes, Commissioner Chandler, Yes.

4424
04:14:34,180 --> 04:14:35,300
Motion passes.

4425
04:14:35,380 --> 04:14:37,060
Great. Thank you. Moving on.

4426
04:14:38,500 --> 04:14:42,040
Approval of a standard operating procedure for Luna County Sheriff's Department. Chuck, I believe you're presenting on this or is

4427
04:14:42,040 --> 04:14:45,580
it Chris?

4428
04:14:46,960 --> 04:14:47,600
Some music.

4429
04:14:50,140 --> 04:14:50,820
Or do we have?

4430
04:14:52,350 --> 04:14:55,030
You want me to, Chuck? You want me to say it, or you want to?

4431
04:14:57,010 --> 04:14:58,790
I'm yours. You tell me what to do, Sir.

4432
04:14:58,900 --> 04:15:00,420
Go ahead. Be up there, dude.

4433
04:15:00,860 --> 04:15:03,540
This. I'll add to it if I have to. Yeah, this is.

4434
04:15:04,060 --> 04:15:06,270
Nothing really to do with us.

4435
04:15:06,580 --> 04:15:08,660
The sheriff prepared this through Lexapo.

4436
04:15:10,980 --> 04:15:12,740
It's being requested to be passed now.

4437
04:15:13,100 --> 04:15:14,420
There are issues with it.

4438
04:15:14,740 --> 04:15:15,340
I wish.

4439
04:15:15,540 --> 04:15:18,180
Someone from the Sheriff's Department, we're here to explain it.

4440
04:15:18,940 --> 04:15:21,300
But for insurance purposes, we need it passed.

4441
04:15:21,580 --> 04:15:22,630
And then we will.

4442
04:15:23,060 --> 04:15:24,100
Clean it up with.

4443
04:15:24,180 --> 04:15:26,060
The next sheriff, whoever that may be.

4444
04:15:27,050 --> 04:15:29,290
So whatever the questionable person.

4445
04:15:31,380 --> 04:15:34,820
Parts of that standard operating procedure are.

4446
04:15:34,940 --> 04:15:38,260
They have no detrimental effect on the county or they don't apply.

4447
04:15:38,660 --> 04:15:41,900
No, but one provision that we don't need is an air wing.

4448
04:15:41,940 --> 04:15:44,190
We don't have an air wing. I don't think we're getting one.

4449
04:15:45,220 --> 04:15:49,620
We don't need to have hiring and firing in there. We have a collective bargaining agreement for that.

4450
04:15:51,380 --> 04:15:52,430
A bunch of things like that.

4451
04:15:52,540 --> 04:15:54,300
Unnecessary. Superfluous.

4452
04:15:54,580 --> 04:15:56,900
But there's no harm to passing them at this point.

4453
04:15:57,620 --> 04:15:59,580
All right, there's harm by not passing it.

4454
04:16:00,620 --> 04:16:03,220
Thank you, I appreciate your explanation of that.

4455
04:16:04,700 --> 04:16:08,220
May I have a motion then, or is there anybody prepared to make a motion for approval of the standard operating procedure for Luna

4456
04:16:08,220 --> 04:16:11,740
County Sheriff's Department?

4457
04:16:12,460 --> 04:16:13,420
Or office.

4458
04:16:14,180 --> 04:16:15,300
So moved Madam Chair.

4459
04:16:15,420 --> 04:16:16,300
I'll second that.

4460
04:16:16,580 --> 04:16:18,660
All right. Thank you. Roll call vote please.

4461
04:16:18,940 --> 04:16:20,300
Commissioner Trejo.

4462
04:16:20,780 --> 04:16:21,820
Chair Harvey.

4463
04:16:21,900 --> 04:16:23,660
Yes, Commissioner Chandler.

4464
04:16:23,740 --> 04:16:25,460
Yes, motion passes.

4465
04:16:25,580 --> 04:16:26,260
Thank you.

4466
04:16:27,740 --> 04:16:30,780
We'll proceed on to Item H, Order of the book.

4467
04:16:30,860 --> 04:16:34,380
In order of the board of county commissioners to impose certified.

4468
04:16:34,500 --> 04:16:37,060
2026 property tax rates.

4469
04:16:37,340 --> 04:16:38,180
Michelle.

4470
04:16:38,460 --> 04:16:40,380
Are you presenting please for the county?

4471
04:16:52,680 --> 04:16:53,360
Good evening.

4472
04:16:55,820 --> 04:16:58,340
Yes, I did look over.

4473
04:16:58,420 --> 04:17:02,880
The tax rates that were provided to me for one moment. Please, Steve, could all of you hold your conversation so we can finish our

4474
04:17:02,880 --> 04:17:07,340
business? I know everybody wants to get out of here.

4475
04:17:07,740 --> 04:17:08,580
Thank you, Michelle.

4476
04:17:10,300 --> 04:17:10,860
I did.

4477
04:17:11,740 --> 04:17:12,540
Look over.

4478
04:17:12,980 --> 04:17:16,820
The tax rates that were presented to us from Department of Finance.

4479
04:17:17,140 --> 04:17:17,900
And.

4480
04:17:18,140 --> 04:17:18,980
All that.

4481
04:17:19,060 --> 04:17:24,180
My job is is to make sure that those values are correct as stated.

4482
04:17:24,500 --> 04:17:26,780
On the tax rates, which they are.

4483
04:17:27,540 --> 04:17:29,860
The tax rates look good.

4484
04:17:30,340 --> 04:17:32,940
There's very minimal changes in fact.

4485
04:17:33,380 --> 04:17:40,020
There was a little bit of a drop in the tax rates other than just I think one district went up just a little bit.

4486
04:17:40,620 --> 04:17:42,220
So other than that.

4487
04:17:43,100 --> 04:17:46,460
Umm, everything is good, values are good, so.

4488
04:17:46,820 --> 04:17:49,340
I would ask that you please.

4489
04:17:51,410 --> 04:17:54,990
Impose the 2026 tax rates.

4490
04:17:55,420 --> 04:17:56,380
Thank you, Michelle.

4491
04:17:58,320 --> 04:17:58,880
All right.

4492
04:18:03,080 --> 04:18:08,310
I am asking if we have a Commissioner that would like to make a motion.

4493
04:18:09,630 --> 04:18:16,150
To impose the order of Board of County Commissioners certified 2026 property tax rates.

4494
04:18:16,580 --> 04:18:17,620
So move, Madam Chair.

4495
04:18:18,060 --> 04:18:18,780
Seconded.

4496
04:18:18,980 --> 04:18:19,820
Thank you.

4497
04:18:19,900 --> 04:18:21,100
Roll call vote please.

4498
04:18:21,260 --> 04:18:22,820
Commissioner Trejo, Yes.

4499
04:18:23,300 --> 04:18:24,220
Chair Harvey.

4500
04:18:24,580 --> 04:18:25,340
Yes.

4501
04:18:25,540 --> 04:18:26,660
Commissioner Chandler.

4502
04:18:26,740 --> 04:18:28,380
Yes, motion passes.

4503
04:18:28,620 --> 04:18:29,420
All right.

4504
04:18:29,540 --> 04:18:33,380
I know you'll all be as glad as we are. We're moving forward here. We have community.

4505
04:18:33,460 --> 04:18:36,580
Support reports, I don't know if anybody.

4506
04:18:37,340 --> 04:18:41,540
Ah, how could I miss this? Come on up, we've got 2.

4507
04:18:42,560 --> 04:18:43,230
For sure.

4508
04:18:44,810 --> 04:18:45,330
OK.

4509
04:18:48,610 --> 04:18:50,170
Right, a treat.

4510
04:18:52,500 --> 04:18:54,230
Can you turn your mic on please?

4511
04:18:55,000 --> 04:18:57,750
Thank you. Yes, it is the one at the bottom right.

4512
04:18:57,980 --> 04:19:03,100
I thought because educator, I'm sorry, it's gonna bend down. I can't see my dad.

4513
04:19:03,860 --> 04:19:07,420
Just talk into it. It's a good thing getting old makes you tough.

4514
04:19:07,980 --> 04:19:14,020
And it's a good thing. Being female makes you curious, and you want to know what the heck's going on and how it's going to end up.

4515
04:19:14,660 --> 04:19:16,460
But all you're gonna get from me.

4516
04:19:16,540 --> 04:19:17,700
As it turns dark.

4517
04:19:17,820 --> 04:19:19,660
Tonight is that we have.

4518
04:19:19,860 --> 04:19:23,990
Too many dogs. I have over 220 right now.

4519
04:19:24,100 --> 04:19:26,020
We've got a room full of cats.

4520
04:19:26,220 --> 04:19:27,980
We have an adoption fair.

4521
04:19:28,380 --> 04:19:29,820
Members Valley Feed.

4522
04:19:30,020 --> 04:19:34,580
Saturday morning we're taking 22 or 23 small animals.

4523
04:19:34,940 --> 04:19:37,660
That's all people are wanting to adopt right now.

4524
04:19:37,780 --> 04:19:40,100
The price of dog food is having them give.

4525
04:19:40,180 --> 04:19:42,020
Big dogs up like crazy.

4526
04:19:42,180 --> 04:19:51,380
And there's a whole thing out from animal protection. I sent to both Chris and Aaron this 78 page proposal for a new department.

4527
04:19:51,860 --> 04:19:53,100
At the state level.

4528
04:19:53,340 --> 04:19:56,780
Uh, government at the local level is enough to carry our.

4529
04:19:57,840 --> 04:20:03,400
So next time around, I'll show you what's going on. There could be some benefits for us.

4530
04:20:03,540 --> 04:20:07,470
But by the time anything goes South of the Interstate, who knows?

4531
04:20:08,360 --> 04:20:09,830
Thank you and.

4532
04:20:10,100 --> 04:20:13,100
I don't want to. I love them and I'm not going to stay for them.

4533
04:20:13,500 --> 04:20:17,220
Because I have dogs of my own at home that need to be fed.

4534
04:20:17,540 --> 04:20:20,940
Thanks. Thank you, Sandy. We appreciate your good work.

4535
04:20:22,590 --> 04:20:22,950
Naomi.

4536
04:20:29,070 --> 04:20:30,630
So excited to finally.

4537
04:20:32,030 --> 04:20:35,950
Look at Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Commissioners and County Manager.

4538
04:20:36,100 --> 04:20:38,860
This is Nomi Arito with the Deming Luna County Chamber of Commerce.

4539
04:20:39,700 --> 04:20:42,460
I'm happy to announce that this month we have had.

4540
04:20:42,740 --> 04:20:45,860
6 new members, including Desert Oasis.

4541
04:20:46,020 --> 04:20:47,900
Oakdivo food truck.

4542
04:20:48,020 --> 04:20:51,140
Embarrassing internal medicine, sino medical and.

4543
04:20:51,220 --> 04:20:54,550
ATM entertainment and strategic education partners.

4544
04:20:55,880 --> 04:20:59,470
We also just completed the gas marker and the dark race.

4545
04:20:59,620 --> 04:21:00,540
Both events were.

4546
04:21:00,700 --> 04:21:01,820
Very successful.

4547
04:21:01,980 --> 04:21:04,660
We had 81 entries, 78.

4548
04:21:04,980 --> 04:21:06,180
Total participants.

4549
04:21:06,460 --> 04:21:09,620
We raised $1040 for the chamber.

4550
04:21:09,940 --> 04:21:13,380
And we're so grateful for our community to support us and we.

4551
04:21:13,540 --> 04:21:15,100
Are looking forward for next years.

4552
04:21:15,780 --> 04:21:17,860
Upcoming ribbon cuttings are September.

4553
04:21:17,980 --> 04:21:19,140
September 11th.

4554
04:21:19,340 --> 04:21:21,580
Tomorrow at 12:00 PM at.

4555
04:21:21,900 --> 04:21:23,100
4K Realty.

4556
04:21:23,700 --> 04:21:27,340
More information about all of these events are on our Facebook page.

4557
04:21:28,280 --> 04:21:32,670
October 2nd for Walmart and October 3rd for Sino Medical and.

4558
04:21:33,630 --> 04:21:36,310
We have also our upcoming annual.

4559
04:21:36,580 --> 04:21:38,420
In the Kingdom of the Sun Awards.

4560
04:21:38,700 --> 04:21:40,260
The date is September 19th.

4561
04:21:40,380 --> 04:21:41,500
2026.

4562
04:21:42,420 --> 04:21:44,140
We're going to have steak dinner.

4563
04:21:45,000 --> 04:21:48,870
We're going to be presenting the Yarbo brand and we'll have dancing.

4564
04:21:49,100 --> 04:21:54,180
A bar P&M, we wanna recognize them as our future sponsor for this year.

4565
04:21:54,260 --> 04:21:55,860
And previous years as well.

4566
04:21:56,340 --> 04:21:57,220
And tickets.

4567
04:21:57,940 --> 04:22:00,060
And sponsorship tables are available.

4568
04:22:00,260 --> 04:22:02,060
All our community is invited.

4569
04:22:02,300 --> 04:22:06,140
All information is also available on our Facebook and social media.

4570
04:22:08,450 --> 04:22:12,990
We have been building regional relationships with the Silver City and Solomon Park.

4571
04:22:13,420 --> 04:22:16,060
And through the consequences. Chambers of Commerce.

4572
04:22:16,300 --> 04:22:20,820
We're hoping to plan regional events and support our economic development together.

4573
04:22:20,980 --> 04:22:22,660
And across the Southwest, New Mexico.

4574
04:22:23,620 --> 04:22:29,180
We have been collaborating with Main Street on upcoming Christmas events in community programming.

4575
04:22:29,300 --> 04:22:34,620
As well as supporting member businesses and nonprofits to increase involvement and shared resource.

4576
04:22:35,760 --> 04:22:38,790
Our board meeting will be this month, September 29th.

4577
04:22:38,900 --> 04:22:41,220
Location in link can be requested directly.

4578
04:22:41,820 --> 04:22:43,020
To the Chamber office.

4579
04:22:43,540 --> 04:22:44,860
I will stand for any questions.

4580
04:22:45,260 --> 04:22:49,260
Thank you for your good work. Let me ask you a question because the last time you were here prior to your board meeting, you

4581
04:22:49,260 --> 04:22:53,260
mentioned that the board meeting is only accessible.

4582
04:22:53,380 --> 04:22:54,340
Virtually.

4583
04:22:54,900 --> 04:22:57,340
Umm, so we usually.

4584
04:22:57,700 --> 04:23:00,620
Meet a very small venues.

4585
04:23:00,700 --> 04:23:05,060
So that like small offices or brick rooms. So we don't have enough.

4586
04:23:05,180 --> 04:23:08,380
Space to have a lot of people come in.

4587
04:23:08,780 --> 04:23:12,500
But whenever we do have space, I usually try to.

4588
04:23:13,180 --> 04:23:15,940
Make sure we have a set set venue.

4589
04:23:16,660 --> 04:23:19,460
At least three days prior asked for our.

4590
04:23:20,020 --> 04:23:25,020
My loss, but sometimes the board is not able to decide.

4591
04:23:25,660 --> 04:23:28,460
And a physical place to meet so we.

4592
04:23:28,860 --> 04:23:30,300
Just leave those.

4593
04:23:32,180 --> 04:23:33,460
I I guess excess.

4594
04:23:33,700 --> 04:23:34,740
We live access.

4595
04:23:34,900 --> 04:23:37,220
For virtual people to attend.

4596
04:23:37,580 --> 04:23:41,220
I'm not sure I understand it. Where is it that you hold your board meetings at?

4597
04:23:41,420 --> 04:23:44,020
It changes or it depends every month.

4598
04:23:49,020 --> 04:23:49,820
That's yeah.

4599
04:23:50,500 --> 04:23:55,180
You you guys are a nonprofit and you can do whatever you want. It just seems rather strange to me.

4600
04:23:55,260 --> 04:24:01,260
Having to pull that the chamber does that, you can't find an adequate place where people could actually physically attend it.

4601
04:24:01,420 --> 04:24:06,860
I'm sure that we could help out as a county or at the Learning Center or someplace if you want to hold a meeting.

4602
04:24:08,890 --> 04:24:12,030
But anyway, I do appreciate your good work.

4603
04:24:12,540 --> 04:24:16,260
And I realize that you work for somebody else and you work for a board.

4604
04:24:16,660 --> 04:24:18,220
So thank you for what you do.

4605
04:24:18,340 --> 04:24:19,900
Thank you, You make a difference.

4606
04:24:20,380 --> 04:24:22,060
Thank you. I don't have any further.

4607
04:24:23,050 --> 04:24:23,730
All right.

4608
04:24:32,010 --> 04:24:38,690
Good afternoon, Commissioners and County Manager. My name is Maria Camunas and I want to begin by apologizing for not being here

4609
04:24:38,690 --> 04:24:45,370
on Tuesday. And I do appreciate the opportunity here to provide an update for Play Charity Children's Museum.

4610
04:24:45,850 --> 04:24:50,050
So since July, we have continued expanding our programming and community involvement.

4611
04:24:50,330 --> 04:24:54,530
We did start Shop with a Cop 2026. This began with the sale of raffle tickets for the Ultimate Giveaway, which of course takes

4612
04:24:54,530 --> 04:24:58,730
place in December starting the 1st.

4613
04:24:59,010 --> 04:25:00,730
All the way to the 24th.

4614
04:25:01,170 --> 04:25:06,250
That was followed by the kickoff dance at the golf course and of course, the golf tournament in August.

4615
04:25:08,010 --> 04:25:11,930
The Richard Cows Memorial bowling tournament is scheduled for November 21st.

4616
04:25:12,050 --> 04:25:15,170
And the main event will hopefully be at the beginning of December.

4617
04:25:15,850 --> 04:25:20,890
We have also continued our Math Happens programs every Saturday, which takes place from 12:00 to 4:00.

4618
04:25:21,490 --> 04:25:25,970
We also restarted our Baby Baby and Me program which is every Thursday.

4619
04:25:26,650 --> 04:25:28,930
And that will continue through 2027.

4620
04:25:29,410 --> 04:25:37,570
We also attended some of the events, the Southwest Pediatrics, the Stuff, the Bus that was July 17th and July 25th.

4621
04:25:38,050 --> 04:25:43,470
We also got a big gift in kind from our partnership with Save the Children. So we gave away books and kind of craft kits that we

4622
04:25:43,470 --> 04:25:48,890
had, and we also hosted a book night.

4623
04:25:49,330 --> 04:25:53,250
That we raffle the car seat that was also given to us by Save the Children.

4624
04:25:53,970 --> 04:25:58,250
Upcoming events are the Coding camp which is starting next week, September.

4625
04:25:58,410 --> 04:26:05,170
14th It will go for two weeks with the Ozobot Showcase on the 25th of September.

4626
04:26:05,930 --> 04:26:09,970
Right now we're also working on a new exhibit that will go in Little Deming.

4627
04:26:10,090 --> 04:26:11,810
We're not sure of what that's going to be yet.

4628
04:26:12,570 --> 04:26:14,690
Still looking into some stuff for that.

4629
04:26:14,930 --> 04:26:21,610
We will attend the Studio Demi Rodeo, the Buddy Walk for the Down syndrome awareness and the.

4630
04:26:22,570 --> 04:26:26,090
Sensory event with the state Western New Mexico State Fair.

4631
04:26:26,370 --> 04:26:30,030
And then we just continue to focus on creating more educational opportunities and supporting families and staying involved in the

4632
04:26:30,030 --> 04:26:33,690
community.

4633
04:26:33,930 --> 04:26:35,890
So let me know if you have any questions.

4634
04:26:37,010 --> 04:26:40,650
You guys have an amazing record of success and I appreciate what you do. You make a difference and a lot of children's lives. Yes,

4635
04:26:40,650 --> 04:26:44,290
thank you.

4636
04:26:44,490 --> 04:26:45,250
Thank you.

4637
04:26:45,570 --> 04:26:46,290
Thank you.

4638
04:26:47,260 --> 04:26:53,260
Naomi, I I'm going to call you back up and ask you to ask answer one more question, Commissioner Treo.

4639
04:26:54,930 --> 04:26:56,290
This is where it came from.

4640
04:26:57,210 --> 04:26:59,530
We're asking about your website. This is.

4641
04:26:59,650 --> 04:27:06,090
Come up before for a period of months. Where? Where do you all stand on the repair of that or making it functional?

4642
04:27:06,490 --> 04:27:07,130
Yes.

4643
04:27:07,210 --> 04:27:11,690
Of course. So we have a very kind member that offered to sponsor.

4644
04:27:12,210 --> 04:27:13,890
Slash fever website.

4645
04:27:14,290 --> 04:27:16,410
And that is currently being.

4646
04:27:16,490 --> 04:27:17,450
In development.

4647
04:27:18,050 --> 04:27:22,770
The thing is that there were some issues with some of the links that we had for.

4648
04:27:22,970 --> 04:27:25,490
Stuff because there has been.

4649
04:27:26,170 --> 04:27:27,970
It is uh.

4650
04:27:28,980 --> 04:27:30,100
Like several.

4651
04:27:30,330 --> 04:27:32,490
Through a short period of time.

4652
04:27:32,570 --> 04:27:36,570
Many of the things we had access to were lost or just not.

4653
04:27:36,650 --> 04:27:38,610
Communicated in between eds.

4654
04:27:39,130 --> 04:27:42,010
And the board changes things.

4655
04:27:42,290 --> 04:27:46,610
And so we have lost some information or access to.

4656
04:27:46,730 --> 04:27:52,250
Different. I want to call them programs for resources that the chamber has.

4657
04:27:52,650 --> 04:27:54,530
So I'm just making sure that the.

4658
04:27:54,650 --> 04:27:57,290
Developer for our website has.

4659
04:27:57,650 --> 04:27:59,490
Everything and all the access.

4660
04:27:59,810 --> 04:28:01,010
The website needs.

4661
04:28:01,090 --> 04:28:02,810
In order to function properly.

4662
04:28:03,290 --> 04:28:08,570
Do you have any estimation based on current knowledge when that website will be repaired and functional?

4663
04:28:08,650 --> 04:28:10,610
Should be between two to three weeks.

4664
04:28:11,250 --> 04:28:12,610
Two to three weeks from now.

4665
04:28:13,330 --> 04:28:15,450
Great. Thank you so much. I appreciate your.

4666
04:28:15,650 --> 04:28:18,130
Coming back up and responding, any further questions?

4667
04:28:19,790 --> 04:28:21,710
No, Madam Chair, thanks for asking.

4668
04:28:21,810 --> 04:28:24,570
Well, I want to be sure that we're all heard here.

4669
04:28:24,930 --> 04:28:25,530
Thank you.

4670
04:28:26,290 --> 04:28:26,930
Appreciate it.

4671
04:28:28,440 --> 04:28:30,900
All right, are there any further community support?

4672
04:28:31,210 --> 04:28:32,330
Reports.

4673
04:28:33,690 --> 04:28:36,890
Hearing none, we're going to move in the county manager's report, Chris.

4674
04:28:36,970 --> 04:28:39,250
Madam Chair, Commissioners, public, I'll make this fast.

4675
04:28:39,810 --> 04:28:42,850
Just so everybody knows, the fair interest of the fair is free.

4676
04:28:43,010 --> 04:28:43,890
Thanks to.

4677
04:28:45,650 --> 04:28:48,450
Donations, I guess you would call them, from the city and the county.

4678
04:28:48,890 --> 04:28:50,810
To the fair board to ensure that.

4679
04:28:50,970 --> 04:28:54,330
Everybody that wants to entrance into the fair can get in for free.

4680
04:28:54,450 --> 04:28:56,050
So make sure you attend this year.

4681
04:28:57,170 --> 04:29:01,170
Also on that same note, there's a thing called the ORC if you've been part of this.

4682
04:29:01,570 --> 04:29:04,370
Meet. Are these meetings for some time? It's the opioid.

4683
04:29:05,610 --> 04:29:07,410
Remediation Collaboration.

4684
04:29:07,690 --> 04:29:09,330
Essentially, that's where the opioid.

4685
04:29:09,570 --> 04:29:11,810
Lawsuit money goes is into a big pool.

4686
04:29:11,890 --> 04:29:12,930
We're able to use that.

4687
04:29:13,330 --> 04:29:16,810
Luna County partnered with both the ORC and Deming Public Schools.

4688
04:29:16,970 --> 04:29:19,730
So all sporting events this year are also free to the public.

4689
04:29:20,730 --> 04:29:21,690
Please attend.

4690
04:29:22,250 --> 04:29:24,690
Football games, Volleyball games, Wrestling matches.

4691
04:29:24,730 --> 04:29:26,300
All of that will be free to the public.

4692
04:29:26,490 --> 04:29:28,690
Sponsored through the RC in Luna County.

4693
04:29:29,570 --> 04:29:30,490
In conjunction with.

4694
04:29:30,570 --> 04:29:31,810
Downey Public Schools.

4695
04:29:32,050 --> 04:29:33,410
So please make sure you.

4696
04:29:34,260 --> 04:29:35,500
Attend those.

4697
04:29:35,570 --> 04:29:37,090
And support the Wildcats.

4698
04:29:39,050 --> 04:29:40,210
Solar projects.

4699
04:29:40,410 --> 04:29:41,490
We're getting ready to.

4700
04:29:42,130 --> 04:29:43,890
Uh, some final tie insurance?

4701
04:29:44,210 --> 04:29:45,650
You know Starmax.

4702
04:29:45,890 --> 04:29:49,370
District Court over there and the detention center getting ready to go live.

4703
04:29:49,530 --> 04:29:50,570
On solar.

4704
04:29:51,570 --> 04:29:53,370
Which should cut our electorate bill.

4705
04:29:54,090 --> 04:29:55,050
Tremendously.

4706
04:29:55,210 --> 04:29:56,370
We're also getting.

4707
04:29:56,450 --> 04:30:00,010
Rebates, we're working on those now for some of the money we put up front.

4708
04:30:00,450 --> 04:30:01,530
From the federal government.

4709
04:30:01,650 --> 04:30:03,650
So we'll be getting that back.

4710
04:30:04,010 --> 04:30:05,330
Just so everybody knows.

4711
04:30:05,450 --> 04:30:08,010
There's a lot of rumor out there. Again, Facebook.

4712
04:30:08,610 --> 04:30:09,580
Crazy people.

4713
04:30:10,570 --> 04:30:12,850
That you know the money coming in from.

4714
04:30:13,130 --> 04:30:13,970
These.

4715
04:30:14,050 --> 04:30:17,530
Emergency declarations for roads is disappearing and the counties.

4716
04:30:17,650 --> 04:30:20,290
Not using it appropriately and either.

4717
04:30:20,370 --> 04:30:22,130
David's by taking it home or.

4718
04:30:22,450 --> 04:30:24,290
Me and David both are taking it home.

4719
04:30:25,290 --> 04:30:27,570
You know, three $400,000 at a time.

4720
04:30:27,770 --> 04:30:30,890
If that were true, I wouldn't still be working here. I would be done.

4721
04:30:32,480 --> 04:30:33,700
That money is not.

4722
04:30:33,810 --> 04:30:34,850
Being stolen, I can.

4723
04:30:35,210 --> 04:30:36,330
Sure you of that.

4724
04:30:36,730 --> 04:30:38,490
We are just now getting.

4725
04:30:38,610 --> 04:30:41,490
Some of the funding that we applied for in 2019.

4726
04:30:41,690 --> 04:30:43,410
For these emergency declarations.

4727
04:30:43,530 --> 04:30:45,610
It takes a long time through FEMA.

4728
04:30:46,170 --> 04:30:48,570
Department of Homeland Security Emergency Management.

4729
04:30:48,690 --> 04:30:50,780
It is a painful, painful process.

4730
04:30:51,490 --> 04:30:52,690
But I can assure you.

4731
04:30:52,770 --> 04:30:53,770
We get audited.

4732
04:30:54,050 --> 04:30:55,010
Every year.

4733
04:30:55,170 --> 04:30:58,010
We're going through an audit pretty much 12 months out of the year.

4734
04:30:58,130 --> 04:30:59,690
And that money is not disappearing.

4735
04:30:59,810 --> 04:31:02,650
It's there, it just takes a long time to get it.

4736
04:31:03,130 --> 04:31:04,130
And that's really.

4737
04:31:04,210 --> 04:31:07,730
All I have. I appreciate everybody's patience today. It was very painful.

4738
04:31:08,090 --> 04:31:09,890
We'll try to do better in the future and.

4739
04:31:10,050 --> 04:31:12,370
And not schedule quite as much on these.

4740
04:31:13,370 --> 04:31:16,090
And these meetings we still have executive session.

4741
04:31:16,330 --> 04:31:20,570
So unless you're really, really interested in what comes out of executive session.

4742
04:31:21,090 --> 04:31:21,610
I think.

4743
04:31:21,770 --> 04:31:22,850
That's pretty much it.

4744
04:31:23,010 --> 04:31:25,250
All right. Well, thank, Thank you everybody.

4745
04:31:26,030 --> 04:31:30,090
Thank you everybody. I've just got one more thing before we go into executive session, upcoming meetings and events, Public work

4746
04:31:30,090 --> 04:31:34,150
session, October the 8th, 2026.

4747
04:31:34,450 --> 04:31:39,740
At 1:30 PM. Our regular meeting will be October the 8th at 2:00.

4748
04:31:39,850 --> 04:31:43,650
Luna County offices will be closed for Indigenous Peoples Day on.

4749
04:31:44,290 --> 04:31:45,250
October, uh.

4750
04:31:45,850 --> 04:31:46,770
The 12.

4751
04:31:48,140 --> 04:31:53,940
All right. We are going to go into executive session pursuant to 10/15.

4752
04:31:54,090 --> 04:31:59,860
187 NMSA 1978 to discuss threatened or pending action.

4753
04:32:00,770 --> 04:32:07,410
Censure of Sheriff Mike Eby, May I have a motion to approve what I just said, please?

4754
04:32:08,010 --> 04:32:11,130
Rather than repeat this again, so moved Madam Chair.

4755
04:32:11,490 --> 04:32:13,290
All right. Thank you. I have a second.

4756
04:32:16,210 --> 04:32:17,610
Roll call vote please.

4757
04:32:19,020 --> 04:32:20,180
Commissioner Trejo.

4758
04:32:20,250 --> 04:32:21,010
Yes.

4759
04:32:22,530 --> 04:32:25,010
Yes, Commissioner Chandler, Yes.

4760
04:32:25,090 --> 04:32:28,970
Motion passes. Thank you. We're going into executive session now. Should you wait?

4761
04:32:31,070 --> 04:32:32,390
Choose to wake. Excuse me.

4762
04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:40,240
Yeah, let's do take. I think everybody needs to.

4763
04:33:04,170 --> 04:33:05,570
What kind of?

4764
04:33:08,090 --> 04:33:09,610
The other.

4765
04:33:11,530 --> 04:33:12,970
1234.

4766
04:33:14,690 --> 04:33:16,370
Not doing.

4767
04:48:44,110 --> 04:48:48,050
We're back from public session, excuse me, executive session. I will enter. And there was nothing discussed. There were no votes

4768
04:48:48,050 --> 04:48:51,990
taken.

4769
04:48:52,430 --> 04:48:53,910
I'll take a motion.

4770
04:48:54,430 --> 04:48:56,190
To return to.

4771
04:48:57,270 --> 04:49:04,550
Or out of out of executive session, back to regular session. Excuse me? Then keeps posting me in the mouth, Madam Chair.

4772
04:49:05,030 --> 04:49:06,470
All right. Thank you.

4773
04:49:06,590 --> 04:49:09,230
Roll call vote? Do I need a roll call vote or is it just a?

4774
04:49:10,180 --> 04:49:11,720
Yes, roll call vote.

4775
04:49:12,690 --> 04:49:14,280
Commissioner Trejo, Yes.

4776
04:49:14,670 --> 04:49:16,110
Chair Harvey, Yes.

4777
04:49:16,190 --> 04:49:18,990
Commissioner Chandler, Yes, motion passes.

4778
04:49:19,350 --> 04:49:20,270
All right, fine.

4779
04:49:21,710 --> 04:49:24,590
Is there anybody prepared to make a motion?

4780
04:49:24,670 --> 04:49:26,270
I think that's the correct page here.

4781
04:49:29,120 --> 04:49:31,520
Anybody prepared to make a motion?

4782
04:49:32,830 --> 04:49:33,910
To.

4783
04:49:34,270 --> 04:49:35,990
Our sheriff, Mike EB.

4784
04:49:37,860 --> 04:49:42,340
I would make a motion to approve Resolution 2676.

4785
04:49:42,510 --> 04:49:44,110
Which is the public censorship of.

4786
04:49:44,590 --> 04:49:45,310
The sheriff.

4787
04:49:46,750 --> 04:49:47,670
I'll second that.

4788
04:49:48,830 --> 04:49:50,870
All right. Thank you. Roll call vote please.

4789
04:49:52,150 --> 04:49:53,550
Commissioner Trejo.

4790
04:49:54,500 --> 04:49:55,920
Chair Hardy, Yes.

4791
04:49:55,990 --> 04:49:57,590
Commissioner Chandler, Yes.

4792
04:49:57,790 --> 04:49:58,870
Motion passes.

4793
04:49:59,350 --> 04:50:00,550
All right. Thank you.

4794
04:50:03,710 --> 04:50:04,270
That's it.

4795
04:50:07,470 --> 04:50:09,350
Yes, I did before we went in there.

4796
04:50:13,400 --> 04:50:14,360
All right, we'll get up.