[0:00] like that.
>> Yeah,
[0:03] » I think
it's just about that time.
[0:09] » Few more seconds.
[0:13] » Yeah. Anyway,
[0:18] say uh welcome to the joint meeting of
the boardman and the budget committee
[0:23] for the town of Wyman. They all want to
salute the
[0:28] Thank you.
I aliance to the flag of the United
[0:33] States of America and to the republic
for it stands. One nation under God,
[0:40] indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
[0:44] » Thank you.
[0:48] We have uh
it's been a while since I've been on one
[0:52] of these. So,
>> this is the whole year at least. Uh, I
[0:57] have a few little housekeeping items
that I'd like to say is I I would like I
[1:02] would like everybody to be able to be
heard, whatever they have to say. Um, I
[1:07] like it if only one of us talked at at
the same time. If we could do that, then
[1:12] I'm cool. And I wanted to know how you
would like to proceed
[1:16] with this meeting.
>> Down. Um, the budget committee met, they
[1:20] voted on most items. Um, so I was going
to start off with the very beginning uh
[1:25] for the select board and then if the
budget committee hasn't voted, I would
[1:29] weigh in on that. Um, and that's how I
was going to proceed.
[1:33] » Okay.
>> Same as usual.
[1:34] » Sounds like a plan.
>> Hey,
[1:36] » thank you.
>> So for salaries and benefits
[1:40] 1272559
on budget committee voted 41. What say
[1:47] you select for?
[1:52] It's a total of the salaries and
benefits.
[1:55] » All right.
>> Well, is
[2:00] page seven. So, there's a total of page
four and then on page seven, you have
[2:09] those two together and that gives you a
warrant article.
[2:12] » What was the total together?
>> 272 559.
[2:28] So first time. So we don't vote because
it's a workshop, right? Okay.
[2:32] » No, this is a meeting.
>> This is our meeting.
[2:36] » You vote. They already did their vote.
>> So I'm asking you guys your
[2:43] » your um pleasure. I'll make a motion to
accept the 1 million272559
[2:49] » second.
>> Any discussion?
[2:53] » Yes.
>> If I could.
[2:58] This is a slap in the face.
And I'm not going to make any friends
[3:03] saying this, but this is a slap in the
face.
[3:07] In the real world, if you work less
hours, you don't work more money.
[3:15] I sat here last year and then a town
meeting and all I heard was our
[3:21] employees are overworked. We need to
hire more help. And we did.
[3:29] And now apparently there's not enough
work because we're going to reduce the
[3:34] amount of hours that they work and we're
going to pay them more to do that. Plus,
[3:40] we're going to build a new town hall
to give them a place to do this less
[3:44] work.
So, we either need less employees
[3:50] or less pay.
I'm 60 years old. I still go out and
[3:57] pound nails every day, whether it's hot,
cold, whatever.
[4:01] and to watch my property taxes go up
again
[4:06] so that
to to to pay this these inflated
[4:10] salaries.
I I've been hearing it from so many
[4:15] people. They cannot believe
number one that we've cut the hours and
[4:20] number two that we're going to increase
everybody's pay.
[4:25] If it was up to me, which it's not, I
would make the town hall hours Thursday,
[4:32] Friday, and Saturday, have all our
employees be part-time with no benefits.
[4:37] But I'm not going to have that. You
know, nobody's going to probably support
[4:40] me on that. But this to me is a slap in
the face to every person that pays taxes
[4:46] in this town.
>> My opinion only.
[4:50] » Okay. I think a lot of what you just
said to me is kind of a slap in the face
[4:55] to our employees in a sense. Are you
here day in and day out and seeing what
[5:02] they do? Um,
we made a decision based on the fact
[5:07] that we were actually losing good
employees to other towns because we
[5:11] weren't keeping up. And part of the
incentive to make a better work life
[5:17] balance was to close on Fridays. It's
not because they don't have enough work
[5:21] for Fridays. It's because we were we
were looking for ways to be creative
[5:26] with our town manager to uh be able to
keep the employees that we have because
[5:33] they're good employees and we wanted to
retain them. And so you can look at it
[5:38] that way. I understand your point very
much.
[5:42] But that's not that's not the case.
[5:47] » Sorry. Well, I'll second that because we
cut the hours so we could pay them more
[5:51] without taking out of the funds. So,
that was the way that we could give
[5:55] people what they needed to be
competitive. Having people coming in and
[5:59] out, it doesn't do anything for us.
That's my opinion. I'm I'm happy with I
[6:04] was happy with my vote and going for
this. But this vote on the salary is not
[6:08] We've already done that. We can still
talk about it, but this vote is for the
[6:12] COLA increase. Is that right? No, this
is for
[6:15] » this is for your budget for next year.
>> No, I know. But I thought we had already
[6:19] changed the hours as well as the hourly.
>> We did. Okay.
[6:23] » But I'm just going to say that I was
very comfortable in making that
[6:26] decision.
>> I agree with my colleagues that the
[6:30] reason why we went in the direction of
closing on Fridays was for uh the sake
[6:36] of being more competitive with the other
uh communities around us.
[6:41] Um
[6:44] it is difficult to find uh good help and
once you do find them do your best to
[6:50] retain them. And I think this is the
method uh that we're employing to do
[6:55] just that.
>> It's not a win-win situation. Something
[6:58] had to come off and it was ours. But I
feel good about giving the books what
[7:02] they needed so we could keep them.
>> David, I agree with the select board.
[7:10] Although I do respect the opinion,
um I believe it should be approved.
[7:19] » Okay. Do anybody else have anything to
add to that?
[7:25] » Did you all get the handout where it
showed the median? Okay.
[7:30] » I agree with you all. I think at face
value it looks like they're getting paid
[7:33] more for doing less. But when you look
at the bigger picture from a management
[7:37] perspective, I think bringing them up to
the medium that's competitive with the,
[7:42] you know, the surrounding towns was the
right thing to do.
[7:47] » Is there any more discussion by the
select board?
[7:51] All those in favor? I
>> I
[7:54] » David
>> I
[8:00] the vote.
>> Okay. General admin.
[8:05] Um,
page 13.
[8:22] The amount of 207842.
[8:29] » Make a motion to accept general admin
207842.
[8:33] » Second. It's moved and seconded. Is
there any discussion on that?
[8:38] David Elves, do you have any discussion
on that?
[8:40] » No.
>> Anyone?
[8:44] I'm not hearing any. All those in favor?
>> I. David Elves.
[8:49] » I.
>> It's unanimous to the four of us that
[8:53] are here.
>> Page 14.
[8:57] » Elections.
>> Elections in the amount of 11,300.
[9:02] Budget committee voted 5. What's you
select board?
[9:08] » Move that we approve the amount of of
11,300
[9:12] for elections.
>> Second.
[9:15] » Any discussion?
David, do you have any discussion?
[9:20] » No.
>> Anybody have any comments?
[9:24] » All those in favor? I.
>> David Alves. I It's
[9:29] » unanimous.
[9:32] Page 15, the very first line, general
admin insurance 34,660.
[9:40] Budget committee voted 50. What says
left for it?
[9:45] » Make a motion to accept the 34660 for
general admin insurance services.
[9:50] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[9:56] » You have any any discussion, Dave?
>> No. Hello. Anybody else got anything to
[10:01] comment on that? All those in favor? I.
David L.
[10:06] » I.
Unanimous.
[10:11] » Page 16. Animal welfare.
$8,85.
[10:18] Budget committee vote 5 contingency.
>> Oh, I'm looking at the new one.
[10:26] » You said zero.
[10:29] Hi.
>> You're doing You're doing fine.
[10:34] » Okay. Animal welfare $8,85.
Budget committee voted 5. Let's say the
[10:40] select board.
>> Move that we approve the amount of $8,85
[10:45] for animal welfare.
>> Second.
[10:49] » Any discussion?
>> No.
[10:54] » Any discussion here? I guess you guys
already voted. I'm just asking anyway
[10:58] because I'm being polite and I want to
hear what people's opinion. So, um
[11:03] anyway, all those in favor
>> I. David LS
[11:08] » I.
>> That's unanimous.
[11:11] » Right in the middle of that page, Health
and Human Services, $2,400. Budget
[11:17] committee vote 5. What say board?
>> Make a motion to accept 2400 for health
[11:23] and human services.
[11:27] Second
>> moved and seconded. Any discussion?
[11:33] » Yes. Just uh I think we still should
have made a contribution to life flight
[11:39] and to caring unlimited as we have
particularly to life flight in years
[11:44] past. Just my opinion on that.
>> Any more discussion?
[11:51] All those in favor? I. David Elves
>> I.
[11:56] » All those opposed one three to one.
>> Okay. Change
[12:05] 18
roads
[12:08] 856436.
Ready committee voted 5. What states
[12:13] look for?
for the amount of 8,500
[12:18] uh 856,436.
[12:26] » Second,
>> it's moved and seconded. Any discussion?
[12:32] » No,
>> that was the desert Brooks or something
[12:36] out.
>> We took it out. Yeah.
[12:40] » All right. I'm hearing none. All those
in favor? I
[12:45] » David elves
>> I
[12:47] » motion carries unanimously.
[12:57] » Page 27
buildings and grounds
[13:10] 854417.
Budget Committee voted 50. What state?
[13:17] » Move that the amount of $854,417
be approved for buildings and grounds.
[13:26] » Second.
>> It's moved and seconded. Any discussion?
[13:29] » Sorry, what was the change? Because it
actually went down a thousand and I
[13:32] can't remember
anybody remember.
[13:43] I still don't remember.
[13:52] » Any more discussion?
[13:56] » All those in favor?
>> I David Alves.
[14:00] » Hi. It's
>> unanimous.
[14:07] Page 30, transfer station
[14:14] » B7715.
>> I'm trying to get through.
[14:17] » Sorry,
>> my thumb. My paper.
[14:28] I'll move to accept 377,715
for transfer station. Second.
[14:36] » Any discussion.
[14:40] » All those in favor?
>> I.
[14:43] » David Elves.
>> I.
[14:49] » Page 31, parks and wreck
11595.
[14:54] Budget committee voted 5.
What says left forward? I move that we
[15:00] approve the amount of $11,595
for parks and wreck.
[15:05] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[15:11] Any comments from anybody?
>> Sorry. Am I looking at this wrong? It
[15:14] looks like the 370. Sorry, never mind.
Just looking at this. I should be
[15:18] looking at this. No, no discussion. All
>> those in favor? I.
[15:23] » David Elves. I unanimous.
[15:29] reserves computer 7500 budget committee
voted 50 what say for
[15:38] » move we approve the amount of $7,500
for your reserve account or computer
[15:44] » second
>> it's moved and seconded is there any
[15:47] discussion
those in favor
[15:51] » I
>> I David elves
[15:53] » I
unanimous
[15:57] » transfers station compact reserve
$7,500.
[16:01] Budget committee vote is 50. What say?
>> Move the we approve the amount of $7,500
[16:10] for the compactor reserve account.
>> Second.
[16:16] » Moved and seconded. Is there any
discussion on that?
[16:20] Hearing none. All those in favor? I.
>> David,
[16:25] » I'm sorry.
>> It's okay. You're good. That's
[16:28] unanimous, too.
[16:32] » Okay. Town Hall reserves, $100,000.
Uh, budget committee voted 320. Let's
[16:40] say the slide board.
>> What page is that on? Sorry.
[16:43] » 32 at the top.
>> Oh, no. They're looking at the wrong
[16:47] page. I'm like, what?
[16:53] » What was our recommendation?
>> 320.
[16:58] We voted yes. She voted no.
Move
[17:02] » to accept 100,000 for reserves town
hall.
[17:06] » 100,000.
>> Second.
[17:09] » All right. It's moved and seconded. Any
discussion?
[17:12] » Yeah. Someone refresh my me.
>> I'd like to know what the budget
[17:15] committee number was that we discussed
rather than 100,000.
[17:20] » You voted the 100,000
>> 3 to two,
[17:24] » but there was obviously a recommendation
that was different. I had a split vote.
[17:30] » I I I have zero in my sheet soup.
>> Okay.
[17:39] » Sorry. What did that cover again? I'm
sorry.
[17:42] » That's the the town hall expansion.
>> Thank you.
[17:46] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[17:49] » Any more discussion?
>> All those in favor? I
[17:53] » I
>> David Elves
[17:56] » I
>> motion carries.
[18:01] » Good.
>> Uh revaluation reserve 38,000
[18:06] budget committee voted 32. Let's say the
select board
[18:11] » move we approve the amount of $38,000
for the reval in reserve account.
[18:20] » Second. It's moved and seconded. Is
there any discussion?
[18:24] » Would you like to have a discussion?
>> Are you Would you like to discuss?
[18:29] » Yeah. I I I don't think there's enough
money there. Uh it's it's going to cost
[18:34] probably about 350,000.
We've got like four years to go and
[18:39] there's I don't know what's in them.
What's in it now?
[18:44] » 150,000
>> as of December 30th.
[18:47] 150,000.
>> Okay. So, we're going to add 38. So
[18:50] that's 180. That leaves us with
like 300 like another what 150 200,000
[18:57] to make up in two three years.
>> I don't think the prices of these are
[19:02] going to go down any in that time frame.
>> We need more money.
[19:06] I just we're going to end up hitting it
at the end, but we're going to whack it
[19:10] at the end. But
>> I'm just saying I don't believe there's
[19:13] enough money in there to cover the
rebound.
[19:14] » Do you think that's why the vault went
down three to two on?
[19:17] » Yes. because two of us thought we didn't
have enough money.
[19:19] » What was the number that you guys were
thinking?
[19:22] » 50
>> 50,000.
[19:27] » Well, hearing that
[19:31] » you don't want to have to pay for it all
at once a year
[19:34] » because then it hurts more when it's
>> Well, we have the motion moved and
[19:37] seconded and we're discussing it. So, we
still have to vote this one way or the
[19:41] other.
My personal opinion is I'm going to let
[19:46] it ride for this year
despite the the uh what was brought up.
[19:52] I get that. But uh you all can have fun
with this next year.
[20:00] » Wait, is there any more discussion?
>> Just with the uh 38 grand, I would uh
[20:05] increase the balance to about 188,000.
So if you
[20:11] » got to get to 350 in two years.
>> Well, says here 300,000.
[20:15] » What's that?
>> The estimate
[20:17] » it was 250 last time eight years ago.
>> What do you think it's going to be next
[20:21] time?
>> Well, we're just I'm just looking at
[20:23] » Well, we have our paperwork. What the
paperwork says is estimated at 300,000
[20:28] which was previously estimated at
200,000 and we're in year five of 10.
[20:33] Mhm.
>> Just for the people at home that don't
[20:38] have this to follow along with.
[20:43] » So,
>> so we'll be short of 122,000
[20:49] over the course of four years. So, we
may have to increase it to maybe 50,000
[20:55] in the subsequent years, but uh I'd be
inclined to go with the 38 for now. Hold
[21:00] » on. Is there any more discussion on
that?
[21:04] No
>> hearing n then all those in favor I
[21:08] » I
>> David
[21:11] » I
>> anyone who's anyone opposed
[21:15] it's
>> three to one
[21:19] motion carries
[21:25] okay comprehensive plan reserve account
it's new uh we originally put in 10,000
[21:32] budget committee recommended 5,000 with
a 41 vote. Let's see the board.
[21:42] » Um,
>> okay.
[21:43] » What What was the reasoning for a
different number than what were you
[21:48] recommended?
[21:53] » I think this it was the comprehensive
plan committee or both.
[21:58] » This is the comprehensive plan reserve
account. Yeah. How much is in it now?
[22:04] » It's new.
>> There's nothing in it.
[22:07] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. We just felt that we weren't going
[22:10] to need that much.
>> We you I think you've already paid a
[22:13] bunch for the for the planning people.
>> Yeah.
[22:18] » Behind it was typically you do comp plan
revisions every 10 years or so, give or
[22:24] take, and other towns spend about
anywhere from 100 to $200,000.
[22:30] So, your comprehensive plan committee
has been putting in a lot of work and
[22:34] SNPDC has been working with us as well
to try to keep the cost down. Um, but in
[22:40] reality, it's a lot of work.
>> Do we know Do we have any idea what it's
[22:43] going to cost us this year?
>> Probably half like it's probably going
[22:47] to be like 50,000 given.
>> Well, we get 10 years to go at 50 grand.
[22:51] That's
>> guaranteed. It's going to be 50.
[22:54] » That was that was our point.
[22:59] and they came to the board and they
said, "This is a lot of work. You need
[23:02] professionals to do this." Um, so in 10
years, 10,000 every year you get to h
[23:08] 100,000 that's what other communities
are paying 100,000 upwards of $200,000.
[23:14] » The reason the reason I believe that
we're that a lot of people are paying
[23:18] that now is because the states made a
lot of rule changes. The last time we
[23:21] did a comprehensive plan committee, I
don't know, were you on the plan on the
[23:25] committee? Somebody was tough. They they
spent like 10 grand the last time.
[23:31] » Yeah.
>> This time there's a lot of different
[23:33] things that
>> Yeah. There's a lot different laws that
[23:36] have been changed and
>> do we think in the next 10 years there's
[23:39] going to be a lot more different laws?
>> I don't know.
[23:42] » That's our opinion anyway.
>> Okay. One at a time, please. Yes.
[23:46] » I'll point out that Lyman does not have
an approved comprehensive plan by the
[23:50] state. like you might have spent $10,000
and approved a comprehensive plan by the
[23:54] voters, but it hasn't gone through the
state level. So, you kind of miss
[23:59] opportunities for grants or certain
revenue sharing um because it never went
[24:03] through the state level to get.
>> Well, that's what we're doing now. I
[24:07] assume that's why we're going to spend
all this money this time, but we're
[24:11] going to already have one approved by
the state
[24:15] » the next time. And we're just going to
have to update it.
[24:18] » You think it's going to cost 100 grand
to update it? Go ahead.
[24:21] » We jumped ahead of this a little bit. We
didn't move and second it for our amount
[24:26] or not. Um because I wanted to know what
the dis the discussion about the
[24:30] difference. So um based on on that um
I'll entertain a motion for either
[24:37] number.
>> I I'll make a motion for $10,000 for the
[24:41] comprehensive plan.
>> Second.
[24:45] » No. Is there any more discussion?
This is kind of a side question because
[24:49] uh at the end of the decade we also have
to do the um charter. So will some of
[24:53] that money be able to be used if we
don't use it?
[24:55] » I think there's separate
>> separate separate that was deal.
[25:01] » Thank you.
And just uh for clarification, when we
[25:06] get to outsource general ad admin, uh
we've got I think 14,000 set aside for
[25:12] the uh comprehensive plan um contract
with the SNPDC for what's going on right
[25:19] now.
>> Yeah. For the current one. Yeah.
[25:20] » Right. But this is for the future.
>> That's right. Okay.
[25:24] » So, this is on the table for $10,000.
All those in favor? I I
[25:30] » David Alves. I
>> it's unanimous.
[25:37] » Ordinance review. We discussed $5,000.
Budget committee recommended $2500
[25:44] in a 41 vote.
>> Did we jump over?
[25:48] » Yeah.
[25:51] » Is capital improvement next?
>> Yeah. I thought it was
[25:56] » Yeah. Is that on plan?
[26:01] So, you need to be down here.
>> Yeah, this is this is where we were.
[26:04] » Comprehensive plan or not review. That's
what I just said.
[26:08] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Page one.
[26:10] » I'll make I'll make a motion.
>> It doesn't follow.
[26:13] » Okay.
>> So, over here, that's where I am.
[26:16] » Okay.
>> Sorry.
[26:17] » No problem.
>> I'll make a motion to approve $5,000 for
[26:21] the ordinance review.
>> Second.
[26:24] » I don't see discussion.
>> I wasn't here. What is that?
[26:30] Oh,
>> dash.
[26:34] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Um,
[26:38] » sorry, I wasn't here that day, but I got
a refresher of what that was for 5,000.
[26:42] » The bottom, we're at the bottom of
towards the bottom of page 32
[26:47] ordinance review, which is a new
>> Mhm.
[26:50] » It's $5,000. The budget committee voted
uh 2500
[26:55] » to, I believe, to set money aside. Once
again, Southern Bane Planning to help
[27:00] with revision of the uh
>> because of all those new laws just like
[27:05] the comprehensive plan stuff.
[27:11] » So, we're moved and seconded and
discussing.
[27:15] Um,
is there any more discussion?
[27:20] » No.
>> All those in favor?
[27:23] » I
>> I David Alves
[27:25] » I.
>> It's a motion. It's carries unanimously.
[27:30] » Okay. Facilities equipment reserve which
is also new. We discussed 10,000 budget
[27:37] committee recommending zero in a 50
vote.
[27:43] » Move to accept the 10,000 for facilities
equipment reserve.
[27:47] » Second.
>> Okay. This is what we did when we were
[27:52] talking about a piece of equipment that
was in the budget and we removed that
[27:56] piece of equipment and said we would
start this. Um,
[28:02] I know you got to start somewhere and
this person probably needs some we we
[28:07] out with safe things
for them to do their job. Um, this
[28:14] person to do his job also. I know um
there's a lot of disagreement
[28:20] necessarily about it. Uh I think there's
also
[28:26] you got to realize too that the uh the
town is growing. It's changing. There's
[28:31] more people. We have that bung. We've
been as a priority. This is a thing uh
[28:38] that we're starting. This is the first
year with this employee. Um, I think
[28:43] it's going good and it's really
something that
[28:48] you you save for the future even though
there's not an exact clear vision
[28:54] exactly where that is because it's
fluid.
[28:58] It's it's in its infancy infancy stages
even if I can't say that. And um so
[29:05] instead of buying that we thought we
would start this and uh and see where it
[29:10] goes.
And so that 10,000 is on is in our
[29:15] motion
>> in our opinion or
[29:18] » I I do
>> uh here again this it doesn't seem to be
[29:24] a plan. I I I listened to you guys when
you were talking and you said you wanted
[29:28] to buy piece of equipment to be used by
one of our employees and it'll be used
[29:34] for various things. Okay. I heard one of
you say you needed one that would lift
[29:39] 2,000 pounds. A piece of equipment
that'll lift 2,000 lbs is going to cost
[29:43] you 60 plus grand,
maybe more. That's that's not including
[29:49] any extra attachments you put on. Good.
>> Now you have it. Are you going to only
[29:53] use it in one location or you're going
to want to move it around? Then you're
[29:56] going to need a trailer. Then you're
going to need a truck big enough to haul
[29:59] the trailer. So
>> did I
[30:01] » That 60,000 is going to turn into
200,000 before we go too far.
[30:07] » This is what I say. You need to have a
plan. Well, a plan that can be a plan,
[30:13] but if you're kind of fluid, you don't
really know what's going on yet, how can
[30:18] you have a plan, a a rigid plan?
>> We talked about we talked about a lot of
[30:24] things that night. And um also what was
brought up too is
[30:30] instead of that tractor would would be
mowing equipment, larger mowing
[30:35] equipment and have that person do some
of the mowing which would take some some
[30:39] of the mowing money out of the budget.
>> But but you still got to buy the
[30:42] equipment and buy the equipment to move
it with and by the time you
[30:46] » doesn't necessarily mean you're going to
move it.
[30:48] » It's much cheaper to contract it out.
>> Okay. My point to this is you already
[30:54] have a tractor that's sitting up there
that you were using four days a week and
[30:58] the rest of the time it just sits there.
That's what we put $25,000 in painting
[31:02] tractor.
>> I I brought that up in in our discussion
[31:06] and um that's when we discussed that it
could be a piece of mowing equipment.
[31:11] It's like I said, we it's not really
fluid yet, but we're starting to think
[31:15] about that.
So, if you want to put some money away,
[31:19] you either do or you don't. that you
want to
[31:22] » I I I agree with Ken on that point. I I
mean that uh the machine up on the hill
[31:28] should be utilized.
>> I agree.
[31:30] » Um but either way that I believe that
there should be a reserve set aside for
[31:37] future decisions so so that we don't
have to uh be surprised and have to put
[31:43] $50,000 all up at 160 70 whatever it is.
The nice thing about that piece of
[31:49] equipment also is that it it can be
driven on the road to get from job to or
[31:55] place to place where it needs to be used
>> instead of having to haul it.
[31:59] » And I think part of the hesitation to
have any better of a plan is because the
[32:03] department itself is new and we're not
even through the first season yet to
[32:06] figure out how that's going to work.
Exactly. That was part of why it was so
[32:10] kind of blurry. I think maybe it's a
philosophical difference in how you
[32:15] manage a budget, but in all of my years
of management, I would never go and ask
[32:20] for money without having a plan. So, it
seems like the carts before the course
[32:25] here in my opinion to me, you should
take the time to formulate the plan. And
[32:30] it's not that I don't agree with the
reserve. I think, you know, it would be
[32:34] a smart thing to do if we knew the
direction we were headed
[32:38] » and what the goal was. Total respect for
that, Karen. Um, I I just think that
[32:46] when you're talking municipal versus
private, private can raise the money a
[32:52] lot faster than usually a municipal can.
So, we're just trying to plan for the
[32:57] future.
>> Not a matter of raising the money
[33:00] quicker. It's just a matter of putting
pen to paper and getting a plan together
[33:07] » which is hard to do in at this moment
where we are in time. Next year at this
[33:11] time there will be much more of a plan.
Wouldn't you say
[33:16] » plan originally discussed was like
taking on mowing. So trying to find
[33:21] equipment for mowing. And I also want to
point out that like historically the
[33:25] town has benefited from staff allowing
the town to use their own equipment,
[33:30] tractors and heavy duty equipment and
such. And so it's helped keep expenses
[33:36] down, but it's not something the town
can require or rely on indefinitely,
[33:40] just using other people's stuff. And an
example of that is when we did plowing
[33:46] at the transfer station, we had an
agreement where it was at a very low
[33:50] cost. And once that arrangement was no
longer there, um then we were hit with
[33:55] an increase in the budget line because
we couldn't plan for something like that
[33:59] happened. So that was due to kind of
lack of planning, relying on somebody
[34:03] else doing something at a really low
cost, which we're very grateful for, but
[34:08] it's just not something that you can
depend on indefinitely. Um,
[34:13] » I'd like to add to the amount that Dave
talked about
[34:21] » the truck,
>> the
[34:26] » on top of that, you're proposing to
repair
[34:31] it. I can't think of the name of it.
>> Uh, to repair a a brush.
[34:39] » Wood chipper. Thank you. Um, now we have
all of this equipment that we're putting
[34:45] a reserve away for. We have no plan.
Where are you going to put it? Now
[34:50] you're talking about building a
building. You're talking about a DPW.
[34:55] You're talking about having a mechanic
on staff.
[34:57] » Are we talking about that?
>> We never talked about that.
[35:01] » You are. You're looking at plan to
increase eventually over whatever fivey
[35:07] year, 10 year plan to end up with the
DPW.
[35:11] We don't need a DPW in this town.
>> We have not discussed that.
[35:16] » No, nobody's got that is that's when you
have people and equipment to do work.
[35:22] » All right.
>> When you're
[35:27] talking about buying large pieces of
equipment, you're talking about
[35:31] repairing pieces of equipment that we
haven't used for a very long time. We've
[35:36] hired a director of facilities,
aka director of DPW.
[35:44] Now, you want to add more money in
reserve to eventually buy more
[35:50] equipment, to buy a building.
All of that needs to be reviewed and
[35:56] discussed before we start putting the
money away for it. I I don't think
[36:00] putting this off a year is going to
10,000 putting away for till next year's
[36:06] budget to have a plan in place and see
where that goes.
[36:12] Oh, that's a good point that I was re
going to save for something else, but um
[36:17] » I think at this point, you know, we've
got to do what we can do to keep the the
[36:22] budget in line with what the commitment
is so that taxpayers aren't going to hit
[36:28] get hit with $18 like they did last
year.
[36:34] » Any more discussion?
Any more comments?
[36:39] Hearing none. All those in favor say I.
>> I.
[36:42] » I. David Elves.
>> I.
[36:45] » Anyone opposed? Nay.
[36:50] » Okay. Capital improvement 15,000.
Budget committee recommends 7500
[36:57] with a 50 vote. What say the board?
[37:06] I'll make a motion to
accept $15,000 for capital improvement.
[37:13] » Second.
>> It's moved and seconded. Discussion
[37:24] hearing none. All those in favor? I
>> I I
[37:32] » You said I I'm sorry. I
>> Thank you. That's uh unanimous.
[37:39] board or nothing. Um,
>> can we go back a moment?
[37:45] » Um, the facilities equipment reserve
>> three to one
[37:50] » and she got four to zero. So,
>> no, that was me. I voted no.
[37:54] » I didn't know. I voted that was
[38:02] » Okay. Um,
there's a disaster. Next page. Bunganut
[38:09] Park
25,000. Budget
[38:14] » top of 33.
>> 33.
[38:15] » Yes.
>> Yanut
[38:18] Park 25,000. Budget committee
recommended 25,000. 32 vote. What say
[38:24] the board?
>> Make a motion to accept the 25,000 for
[38:28] buging up.
>> Second.
[38:31] » Any discussion? No,
>> that's something
[38:35] » um in our discussions. Um I won't speak
for everybody. I think most of us, if
[38:41] not all of us, we're concerned that
there's no plan for that either. Um and
[38:46] not that I want to take money away from
Bunganut, but I do want to see a plan.
[38:51] Is it possible to take that 25,000 out
of reserve and put it in CIP and um
[38:59] label it for beach reclamation?
So, there is a plan. It was distributed
[39:06] last year. I looked through my notes and
I'll give you guys a copy of it if you
[39:10] want to pass them down, but it goes
through the expenses. So, this is
[39:14] primarily for the beach restoration. So
it kind of goes through the estimates
[39:18] and quotes we got on some stuff and then
there's meeting notes from when I met
[39:22] with D. So D assured us that if we go
through the NERPA process, it's a
[39:28] feasible project to restore the beach
and it's also one of the biggest
[39:34] communities like in in the surveys that
we've done, everybody really wants the
[39:39] water access there
>> and I agree with that. I'm not saying
[39:42] take the money out. I'm saying
reclassify it so it's labeled so people
[39:46] know what we're we're asking for the
money.
[39:49] » That is a plan. Saying there's no plan.
>> Well, but
[39:53] » there is a plan.
>> That's
[39:54] » that's a plan here.
>> When we talk about plan, we talk about
[39:59] » fiveyear plan. What's going to What is
Buganut Park going to look like in five
[40:02] years?
>> What's your fiveyear plan look like?
[40:04] » I don't have one. I'm not It probably
won't even be around in five years.
[40:09] » You pass that.
But I mean there is we have no plans. We
[40:13] keep adding money in and we keep
spending it for different things.
[40:17] » The town has never agreed on what to do
with fun and park.
[40:22] » Thank you.
[40:26] » You're not funding a fiveyear plan.
>> I understand we don't have a fiveyear
[40:31] plan
>> and I think we should have a five plan.
[40:34] » Well in CIP there's another you know the
sexual and CIP. that very specifically
[40:40] lays out what monies are being spent at
Monley mansion benches so forth.
[40:47] Why can't we put this into that section
and label it beach reclamation rather
[40:53] than leaving it blank in reserves? Well,
as as if I recall, and smack me upside
[41:00] the head if I if I'm missing it, but the
last few years since we started working
[41:05] on bunging, that's the amount of money
that we've put into it. And we've been
[41:09] putting in $25,000 and you can see the
improvements,
[41:14] » can't you? I don't.
>> I mean, can you at all? But I'm just
[41:17] saying so it's not like
>> also for the last five years this
[41:22] committee has asked for a plan
>> and we've asked every year for a plan
[41:26] and every year we don't get a plan.
>> There's been a plan for the past almost
[41:30] two years. David,
>> I get one this year.
[41:33] » Dave, I was just trying to
>> Yes. Sorry. Go ahead, Dave. Say that
[41:36] again.
>> I just explained to David for the past
[41:38] two years there's been a plan. It's it's
on it's on paper. All you have to do is
[41:43] request it. I believe the town manager
is holding it.
[41:47] So is it
the way he's calling plan? It's a beach
[41:52] and some some points.
>> There's a beach, some points, there's a
[41:57] scope of work, there's uh pricing. Uh
you know what exactly are you looking
[42:01] for for a beach restoration, Dave?
>> I'm not looking for a plan for beach
[42:06] restoration, Dave. I'm looking for a
total plan for the park. What are we
[42:11] going to have for buildings? What are we
gonna do for
[42:14] » We're not We're not going that far,
Dave. You're not You're not $25,000
[42:19] isn't going to go that far.
[42:23] » Thank you. You
>> And next year we'll ask for a plan
[42:27] again. Thank you.
>> Good. Anything else?
[42:30] » Yes. So my question is is um sorry
Karen, I'm confused. Moving it to
[42:34] another account is it just so that that
money is set aside just for that because
[42:38] what would be the difference?
>> That would be the reason. Are you
[42:40] concerned that
>> because if that doesn't happen, they can
[42:43] take that money and use it for something
else.
[42:45] » I could answer. Um,
>> so this year there was there was money
[42:50] put in the reserve and it was my
understanding it was for beach
[42:54] reclamation. You know, I know there were
delays and we're waiting for permit and
[42:57] all of that, but now that money is being
used for kiosks. It's not being used for
[43:02] beach reclamation. So all I'm asking
doesn't affect the bottom line of the
[43:07] budget at all is just to reclassify it.
So it can be labeled so people know, you
[43:12] know, what we're planning on doing and
we could be accountable
[43:16] » and we are paying I know it has to be
added back in but the kiosk is being
[43:20] paid for this year.
>> Yeah, I know.
[43:22] » I know it has to be added back in.
>> I just wanted to add that in there for
[43:25] anybody who's listening.
>> Thank you. That's all.
[43:29] » Any more discussion on the 25,000 for
the reserve account for Bunganet that is
[43:35] going to be used for beach reclamation?
[43:39] Hearing none. All those in favor say I.
>> I. David Alves.
[43:44] » I.
>> The motion carries unanimously.
[43:48] » Fire hydrants 6,000. Budget committee
recommends 6,000 50 vote. What say the
[43:53] board? Make a motion to accept 6,000 for
fire hydrants.
[43:57] » Second.
>> Any discussion? I will say I don't I
[44:02] know there's some in the account
already. I think we're going to be
[44:05] expending a bunch this year because
there's a lot of hydrants that are not
[44:09] in good shape.
>> How much is
[44:11] » they started going dry uh before the
winter, but in our in our budget talks
[44:16] with the fire commission and the fire
department and when we met and stuff uh
[44:22] there was we think that it we'll have
enough. But I'm just saying that that's
[44:27] going to be depleted probably fairly
well because there's a lot of them that
[44:32] need work that and whatnot and that some
of them aren't holding water. That's not
[44:38] good if you're a hydrant.
>> I was just asking how much was already
[44:43] in the account and Joe said 14,400.
>> Sorry that may get 14,400. Sorry.
[44:53] » Any more discussion? All those in favor?
I. David Alves.
[44:59] » I.
>> Thank you. It's four to nothing. The
[45:02] motion carries.
>> Charter Commission $1,000. Budget
[45:06] committee recommended $1,000
and with a 50 vote. What say the board?
[45:13] » Move that we approve $1,000 for the
reserve account for the charter
[45:17] commission.
>> Second.
[45:20] » Moved and seconded. Is there any
discussion?
[45:24] Have any discussion?
>> No.
[45:27] » All those in favor?
>> I.
[45:29] » David Elves.
>> I.
[45:32] » Motion carries.
>> Hey, Drive. Uh, Dave Road, Bridge,
[45:38] Culver, Cousins Bridge 25,000. Budget
committee recommends 25,000 with a 41
[45:45] vote. Would say the board.
>> Make a motion to accept 25,000 for day
[45:51] road bridge cover.
I'll second
[45:54] » which is also known as the cousins
bridge is that
[45:57] » yes
>> thank you
[45:58] » number 30 60
[46:03] » can I ask what the one vote was against
[46:07] » from the budget committee the one that
was against
[46:11] » uh that the individual who was against
it was was trying to uh encourage us to
[46:19] talk to the state and try to get funded
listen Okay, thank you.
[46:23] » Well, this doesn't preclude that,
>> right?
[46:26] » But there's this stream.
>> You're looking at the wrong guy.
[46:29] » Just just saying
>> you're a whole boy that uh
[46:32] » I I the state does have a uh stream
crossing program that we could apply for
[46:37] in the future.
>> It's also being heavily funded by your
[46:40] LRAP fund which comes from the state.
So, it's really not a lot coming.
[46:45] » You're the chair. You know, one of the
things that I
[46:48] » that I said was with the amount of
tractor trailers that are illegally
[46:52] using that road
>> because of DO's construction on Route 35
[46:57] » that perhaps we should reach out to DOT
and say, "Hey,
[47:01] » this is partially your fault
>> and maybe we should recoup some money
[47:07] from them rather than spending our own."
There was something from the from the
[47:10] federal and state level way back when
called impact aid. When a situation went
[47:14] like that, when the feds were uh
building something that would impact on
[47:19] on the state expenses, there would be an
amount to uh to uh compensate for that.
[47:24] It'd be worthwhile. Maybe contacting uh
>> our state representatives, particularly
[47:29] the general reason why we can't
>> transportation committee
[47:32] » be worthwhile. I've spoken to him about
it. He's like, "Oh yeah, by all means."
[47:36] Okay.
>> Well, we can still do that. So
[47:38] » yeah, it's not just me.
>> Is there any more discussion about this
[47:41] right here and now?
>> Okay,
[47:44] » go ahead.
>> No, I I asked if there was anything
[47:47] else.
>> So, do you have anything else?
[47:50] » No.
>> All right. All those in favor?
[47:53] » I. David Elves.
>> I.
[47:57] » Thank you. It's unanimous.
>> Unforeseen circumstances, formerly known
[48:02] as contingency, $10,000.
Budget committee is recommending 2500.
[48:08] 32 vote. What say the board? Move to
accept the 10,000 for unforeseen
[48:14] circumstances.
>> Second.
[48:17] » Any discussion?
>> I will uh just say that I don't care
[48:22] what you call it.
>> I'm not for that. So,
[48:27] is there anything Dave? You got
anything?
[48:29] » No. No.
>> All those in favor?
[48:33] Um,
>> right.
[48:34] » Last last year we said $2,500. It was a
and set a $5,000 limit on it to that was
[48:41] the amount of money we're going to put
into it.
[48:43] » We were told this year that the pump at
the transfer station was replaced for
[48:50] $2,400 which took care of most of that
money that was in $2,500. My question is
[48:56] that if you look further on, we're
replacing a motor on a piece of
[49:00] equipment under capital improvement. Why
wasn't the pump put on the capital
[49:04] improvement?
>> Because it just went it wasn't
[49:09] capital improvement.
>> Oh, you mean the capital improvement
[49:14] reserve, Ken?
>> Yeah.
[49:16] » It's not really capital improvement.
>> Neither is the motor that you're going
[49:19] to put on this day. You're going to
repair a motor, right?
[49:22] » Oh, well,
>> replace it. We're getting caught up in
[49:24] the words. So, the one that I have in
here at the bottom, that's minor
[49:30] um improvements.
So, I could change it to
[49:34] » the idea is that spent for something
that could have been improved capital
[49:40] improvement classify that as capital
improvement.
[49:44] » But like you said, everybody's caught up
in the words.
[49:46] » Another issue is what is the plan on
this? Was this was this uh reserve
[49:52] account gonna have a cap or is it just
going to keep growing?
[49:57] That was another one of our issues.
>> I I believe it I believe it like you,
[50:02] David, should have a cap. $10,000 max.
>> I agree with that.
[50:08] » This isn't part of those chipper thing,
is it?
[50:10] » No. No. No.
This is in case something happens,
[50:15] unforeseen circumstances or um what we
used to call a contingency. So you never
[50:22] know, you know, it's a crapshoot.
Something one time it was the server
[50:26] fried, one time it was this, one time it
was that. Um it's kind of a plan for um
[50:32] unexpected things.
>> Does that need to be put into the motion
[50:37] the tap?
>> No, we don't usually do that.
[50:41] » So you keep it uncapped.
>> Whatever.
[50:46] » It's a recommendation by your board.
>> Yeah, it's it's already moved, seconded,
[50:50] and it's being discussed.
>> I think we could have the understanding
[50:53] that this is being recorded that uh
>> Sorry.
[50:58] » I'm sorry. Um this being, you know,
recorded a public session that we have
[51:04] the understanding that uh this would be
capped at 10,000
[51:09] for the indefinite future.
>> Well, I made the motion. And can I
[51:11] resend my motion and change it?
>> You guys can cap it if you want, but
[51:16] there could be a whole other board, you
know, five years from now who could just
[51:21] change it.
>> Sure.
[51:23] » Am I talking about now?
>> Yeah, I can resend that and change it if
[51:26] I wish. Right. Because I made the motion
>> if the second agree.
[51:29] » Yes.
>> Okay. I'm going to resend my motion and
[51:33] say I make a motion to do 10,000 for
unforeseen circumstances and cap it at
[51:38] 10,000.
Who's seconded?
[51:42] » You did.
>> I did.
[51:43] » Think so.
>> Second as seconded as amended.
[51:48] » Is there any more discussion
>> or new discussion?
[51:54] Hearing none. Those in favor? Oh, Dave.
Dave, did you were you going to say?
[51:57] » Yeah, I was going to say I'm just just
legally wise, I'm not sure that we just
[52:02] did that properly. I think we were
supposed to go through, vote it down,
[52:08] and then reo it, but I I'll go however
you do it as long as we understood that.
[52:14] Uh
>> I think there was clarity.
[52:18] » Okay.
>> All those in favor? I
[52:23] » I
>> David
[52:26] » I
would
[52:28] » the budget committee like to resend and
reconsider.
[52:32] » Uh
what do you want? I don't know. Leave it
[52:36] the way it is. Yep.
>> Yeah. We're going to leave it the way it
[52:38] is.
>> Okay.
[52:40] » I like to let the people decide.
>> So fire department vehicle reserve fund
[52:47] 80,000.
Budget committee voted 80,000. 50 vote.
[52:55] » Move that the board approve the $80,000
for the U Goodman Mills fire rescue
[53:02] vehicle for $80,000.
>> Second.
[53:05] » It's moved and seconded. Any discussion?
[53:10] Hearing none. All those in favor? I.
David Alves.
[53:15] » I.
>> Four to nothing.
[53:19] Facilities reserve account uh 18,000.
Budget committee voted 18,000 with a 50
[53:25] vote. What say the board?
>> Make a motion to accept 18,000 per
[53:30] facility.
>> Second.
[53:32] » It's moved and seconded. Any discussion
on that?
[53:37] Hearing none. All those in favor? I.
David Alves.
[53:41] » I unanimous carries. Building reserve
account for current fire department
[53:48] 15,000. Budget committee voted 15,000. I
made that change. 50 vote. What say the
[53:55] board?
>> Move that the board approved $15,000 for
[54:00] Goodwood Mills Fire and Rescue Building
Reserve account.
[54:03] » Second.
>> Any discussion on that?
[54:10] All those in favor? I
>> I David Alves. I
[54:15] » unanimous
[54:19] page 35
outsource general admin
[54:26] 79595
budget committee voted 79595 with a 41
[54:32] vote would say the board
move to accept 79,595
[54:38] for outsource general admin
>> second
[54:42] » moved and seconded. Is there any
discussion
[54:46] hearing? None. All those in favor? I
>> I
[54:50] » David Elves.
>> I
[54:53] Nothing.
>> Hey carries.
[54:57] » Page 37. Before we move to page 37, can
we quickly go back to uh reserves GMFR
[55:08] where the budget committee line item is
listed as a thousand that we approved?
[55:13] » I changed it earlier today.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure it's
[55:16] correct.
>> I did. Okay. That was all
[55:19] » I just didn't get it on this because it
was way earlier. All right. I just want
[55:24] to make sure that
>> Yeah, I did get that. Sorry about that.
[55:28] Let's
[55:31] go.
>> Ready to move on. So page 37
[55:36] um outsourced other 249 804 budget
committee tabled it. Um what say board
[55:45] and the committee
>> make a motion to accept 249 804 for
[55:49] outsourced data?
>> Second.
[55:57] It's just
>> Yeah. Um,
[55:59] » my apologies. This includes the Lman
Historical Society.
[56:04] » No.
>> And the PAT fees.
[56:06] » Well, this is
>> in the library.
[56:08] » Well, I'll
>> Would you like to know why we haven't
[56:12] » Can we not talk all at the same time,
please?
[56:14] » Hasn't been seconded yet. So, we have
not in discussion.
[56:17] » Yeah. My apologies. I missed this. Uh, I
am a member of the environment
[56:19] Historical Society, so I resend my
second.
[56:23] » I'll second.
>> Thank you.
[56:24] » Okay. It's moved and seconded again. Now
we can discuss it.
[56:30] » We were in in the past
uh the library made a presentation to
[56:36] the budget committee and the select
board. They came in with with their
[56:41] proposal for the budget. They gave us
their last year's. They gave us their
[56:46] expenditure. They gave us their proposed
for the future year. If they had any
[56:51] changes, they would explain them to us.
And that's the way it operated while the
[56:56] last couple of years that I can remember
that the library has just given us their
[57:02] numbers and said take them or leave
them. I I attempted to get a hold of the
[57:06] budget to the the library committee. I
was unable to get a hold of them. I
[57:12] probably didn't try hard enough, but I
tried to get them in. No, no response. I
[57:18] believe that we should know what their
plan is. I mean here again they've added
[57:22] quite a bit to personnel.
>> Did you get supplement 7?
[57:25] » I I get that. Yes, I have that. If you
look at everybody else's submission, for
[57:30] instance, the fire department, they tell
us how much we budgeted last year. They
[57:34] tell us how much they spent last year.
They and we see the difference. If
[57:39] there's a if there's an excess, we know
there's an excess and they include that
[57:43] in the following year's budget to take
care of the excess. the the the library
[57:50] gives us nothing. We don't know how much
money they get from other organizations.
[57:54] We don't know how much they get from
they used to get money from Dayton. I
[57:58] don't know if they still do or not. So,
we have no idea where the money's coming
[58:02] from. Uh and we don't know exactly what
their plan is. We know they're going
[58:07] from it. Appears at least that they're
going from two full-time and a part-time
[58:13] to three full-time. Uh those of us who
remember they used to have one full-time
[58:18] and one part-time and they came to us
and said, "We don't think that's safe.
[58:23] We shouldn't have just one person in the
building." We agreed. So, we went to two
[58:27] full-time.
Then they went to two full-time and a
[58:30] part-time. And it appears they want to
go to three full-time
[58:35] with no explanation. Uh, I just think we
should we deserve an explanation of
[58:40] where $200,000
of our taxpayer dollars are going. And
[58:46] and I'm not against the library.
Okay.
[58:52] Any more discussion
[58:56] is
Wasn't the discussion that we had
[59:00] previous
was that the increase this year was was
[59:05] because of
um added hours for employees. Um I do
[59:11] know that the library is an integral
part of town. I know that it's it's busy
[59:16] and busier just like the rest of the
thing everything in town has been in the
[59:21] past. Um I thought we had uh at one I
don't didn't bring that packet. I
[59:28] brought just the newest stuff, but I
know that we had the supplement 7 with
[59:34] all all the Did you get this?
>> Yes. It It says what they would like us
[59:40] to fund.
>> Yep.
[59:41] » Now, if you look at the If you look at
the the fire department's budget, they
[59:46] tell us what we funded last year, how
much of it they spent, and how much
[59:51] they'd like this year. We have way
closer oversight on the fire department
[59:55] than we do the library, which is a
private entity with a board of directors
[1:00:00] that
>> their board of directors used to brief
[1:00:03] us every year. I
>> I think it is a fair I'm not changing
[1:00:07] your vote on this, but it is a fair
request to ask how much of the municipal
[1:00:11] funds were spent in the last year. I
think that's a fair request. The private
[1:00:15] stuff is none of our business.
>> I don't I don't disagree with that
[1:00:18] either.
>> Yeah. I think if we do that for one
[1:00:21] entity, it should be required for all
entities. Absolutely. That get either
[1:00:26] cash from the town or in kind. Yep.
>> So, I think that's something maybe the
[1:00:31] board could probably take a look at just
in the interest of fairness.
[1:00:37] » So, where does that leave us in the
meantime tonight?
[1:00:42] » You what?
>> Hope still out there.
[1:00:45] » It is. We're We're still in discussion.
>> Ask me a question. I'm answering and I'm
[1:00:50] just ready for the vote whenever I don't
have any more discussion.
[1:00:52] » Okay. You got anything else to discuss,
Dave?
[1:00:56] » Uh, nope.
>> All righty. All those in favor?
[1:00:59] » I David
>> I
[1:01:03] to nothing. Um, but I would like to uh
put that on a future agenda
[1:01:08] » please
to the library. Do we so we can discuss
[1:01:12] how we go about that in the future?
do it.
[1:01:20] » Yeah. How many other people are there?
>> Is it $5,000 for the How many?
[1:01:24] » Whether whether it's inind or whether
they're getting money from the town, I'd
[1:01:29] rather not just blurt it all out. Let's
get a list together.
[1:01:32] » I just asked for a number. How many
>> round number? No. Sorry. I don't have
[1:01:38] it.
>> We're going to keep moving.
[1:01:39] » Can you do it over a certain dollar
amount? that would probably
[1:01:45] » if we were to discuss it in a way that
we could decide if we wanted to do that,
[1:01:51] we wouldn't have to have all the
details. Exactly. But, um, if we put
[1:01:56] that on a on an agenda for discussion in
the future, I don't see why we couldn't
[1:02:00] discuss it. Even if we don't do
anything,
[1:02:03] » it it seems valid to discuss,
but I don't this is we're here to do
[1:02:09] this tonight. I don't want to get down a
rabbit hole. Do you
[1:02:13] Does anybody
>> No.
[1:02:17] » Yeah. The budget committee had tailed
it. Let's see.
[1:02:21] » Go around.
[1:02:27] Anybody on the budget committee want to
make a motion?
[1:02:31] » Myself.
[1:02:38] No.
[1:02:42] You can leave it tabled.
>> Yeah, we can say no vote.
[1:02:46] » Would say no vote.
>> I'm in favor of that.
[1:02:50] » I'm in favor of that.
>> Okay, I'm fine with that, too. Leave it
[1:02:53] like it is.
[1:02:57] » Well,
>> hey, good mills fire and rescue. Um, I
[1:03:03] spoke to the chief a little bit earlier
and they know he's a formula error. um
[1:03:09] and amounts to like $64.
The new number is 949216.
[1:03:22] » Okay. What
>> where is that on? Is that the total
[1:03:26] amount?
>> So if you add the new number for
[1:03:30] personnel
>> Uhhuh.
[1:03:32] » and the new number for operations under
alignment.
[1:03:35] » Okay.
>> That's what that number comes to. And if
[1:03:38] you add the 49 and the 15 comes to the
64 everybody all
[1:03:45] understand
why we can get into this supposed to
[1:03:48] match up to something.
>> It does.
[1:03:53] » I'll make a motion for 949216
for Goodwood Mills fire.
[1:04:01] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[1:04:06] » Yeah. What line was the error? What? Do
you know what line the error was? Just
[1:04:12] » the exact line. Not I don't know the
exact line.
[1:04:19] » It was a it was an error that was
brought to our attention like
[1:04:25] » earlier by the uh treasurer of the fire
department. So,
[1:04:31] I didn't I didn't I wasn't notified
about it until just like you were
[1:04:39] » the budget committee made the same
recommendation.
[1:04:43] » Yeah.
>> Is there any discussion on this?
[1:04:48] Any discussion on this? No.
>> Dave, you got any discussion?
[1:04:52] » No.
>> All those in favor?
[1:04:54] » I. David Alves.
>> I. The motion carries for 949216
[1:05:00] 4 to nothing
>> budget committee.
[1:05:02] » I make a motion we change and agree with
the budget with figure of uh 949216
[1:05:10] » second
any discussion
[1:05:14] seeing none all in favor.
unanim
[1:05:23] other CIP page 39
$70,500
[1:05:29] budget committee voted $7,500
with a 41 vote but say the board make a
[1:05:36] motion to accept $7,500 for others have
capital improvement second.
[1:05:43] » All right moved and seconded. Any
discussion?
[1:05:48] Hearing none. All those in favor?
>> I
[1:05:50] » I Dave
>> I
[1:05:53] » mean David Alves is what I meant to say.
>> I again
[1:05:57] » again it's four to nothing. The motion
carries.
[1:06:02] » Okay. You guys have one more thing left.
Just the board.
[1:06:09] » This is your sub revenues for next year.
The revenue offsets.
[1:06:14] Dave, I sent that to you earlier. Did
you get it?
[1:06:16] » I did.
>> Okay.
[1:06:20] » So, over here you guys decide what you
want to put into your warrant for
[1:06:24] revenue offsets. This is what I'm
recommending
[1:06:28] on on the back page. You can see the
breakdown of fun balance.
[1:06:33] And there you go.
[1:06:40] You have to get into a discussion first.
No. Well, this is something if you don't
[1:06:46] understand it, I think we
>> I don't
[1:06:48] » I would move the discussion first.
>> What do you think? Is anybody against
[1:06:53] that? If you don't understand it, I want
I'd like to bring that
[1:06:57] understanding.
>> Do you want to make a motion or to
[1:07:02] » uh we
>> so for discussion or
[1:07:06] » what what do you guys want to do? Well,
if I read this correctly, uh motion
[1:07:11] would be to app from $50,000 for
overlay.
[1:07:17] Am I right on that or
>> um it would be for the whole amount. I
[1:07:21] think
>> this is
[1:07:22] » Well, you could do overlay separately.
>> That's for FY27 proposed. It's 30,000 to
[1:07:28] 900,000. The 1 million is 50,000. We'll
combine it.
[1:07:31] » Yeah, I add another
>> I added it.
[1:07:40] So basically what we do KJ is we have
revenues that come into the town and
[1:07:47] those revenues offset the budget. We
have fund balance or a designated fund
[1:07:54] balance technically. We have excise tax
that we are predicting that we're going
[1:07:59] to bring into the town. We have transfer
station money because they go in, they
[1:08:04] pay to get rid of some of their bulky
items and stuff. And then we have
[1:08:08] overlay. So, any questions on the
transfer station, excise or fund
[1:08:14] balance?
>> No.
[1:08:17] » No.
[1:08:20] » No, it's good.
>> I thought I heard Dave
[1:08:22] » said no. He He said no.
So, what overlay is is is the state
[1:08:27] allows for a cushion um when we're doing
the tax rates. The cushion and in our
[1:08:34] vote goes for abatements
um and we're allowed to use it because
[1:08:40] we asked for that.
Before our assessor left, she
[1:08:45] recommended 50,000 because we're going
through the um equalization project
[1:08:50] right now. She thinks more people will
be looking at their detail once they get
[1:08:56] that and they might see some things on
there that h weren't caught in the last
[1:09:01] valuation uh rebath and she wanted to
prepare for that.
[1:09:07] » Yeah. Okay.
Thank you.
[1:09:10] » All right.
>> Is there any more discussion before we
[1:09:14] make a motion?
>> No.
[1:09:20] Anybody else got anything? I'll
entertain that.
[1:09:24] » Okay. Are we saying that the total
amount to
[1:09:29] uh propose 1,980,000?
>> Yes.
[1:09:33] » Okay.
>> And that and that's for uh I move that
[1:09:38] we approve 1,980,000
[1:09:42] for recommended cash offset.
>> Second.
[1:09:47] » All right. any just
>> hang on let me go back
[1:09:51] » 1,930,000
for the cash offset J
[1:09:56] » and the 50,000 because that would become
an expenditure
[1:09:59] » okay
>> sorry
[1:10:01] » no that's quite right
>> those two separate
[1:10:03] » now okay then
>> my second
[1:10:05] » I'll resend my original motion and
revise it accordingly
[1:10:09] I move that we approve $1,930,000
for recommended cash offsets
[1:10:16] Second.
>> Any discussion?
[1:10:22] Hearing none. All those in favor?
>> I
[1:10:28] David Alves.
>> I.
[1:10:30] » There's no one opposed.
>> And I'll make a motion for the overlay
[1:10:34] for 50,000.
>> Second.
[1:10:39] » Any discussion on that?
Hearing none. All those in favor? I.
[1:10:45] David Elves. Hi,
>> it's unanimous there too.
[1:10:50] » That's wrap.
[1:10:54] » Thank you very much.
>> I'm sorry. My apologies. My apologies.
[1:10:58] I'm sorry. But I
um back on the vote or outsourced other
[1:11:04] I participated in that and I'm sorry I'm
a member of the uh historical society.
[1:11:10] » Okay. So, could that uh vote be recorded
as 301?
[1:11:19] » You misvoted.
>> Yeah.
[1:11:22] » It's exciting. You just raised my hand,
right?
[1:11:26] » I did the same thing.
>> You didn't make the motion or second,
[1:11:29] did you?
>> Have to revote.
[1:11:31] » No,
[1:11:35] I have my supplement seven back.
>> Handed it passed to Joe. I gave it to
[1:11:41] Joe.
>> Okay.
[1:11:43] » Yeah, I gave it to Joe. I passed it
down.
[1:11:46] » I passed it to Joe. Should be uh
>> should be right there.
[1:11:51] » All right. Thanks.
>> Did you Did you put it somewhere? No.
[1:11:56] » I'll just ask another pass it down. And
look,
[1:12:00] » I don't have it.
>> There it is. Is that it?
[1:12:04] » No.
>> There's another one.
[1:12:10] I'll just ask for I'll
>> maybe you put it back in your stash.
[1:12:13] » I'll email Janette for another copy back
the library one. I was want to keep all
[1:12:17] my stuff together and I somehow lost
mine somewhere.
[1:12:19] » The library stuff
is a motion to
[1:12:24] » I make a motion to adjurnn.
>> Second.
[1:12:27] » Any discussion?
>> No.
[1:12:29] » All those in favor? I
>> David
[1:12:33] » I
[1:12:37] just Thank you everybody.
>> All right. I'm just going to make sure I
[1:12:40] don't
[1:12:43] see I I know