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Welcome to the 4 p.m. work session of Lynchburg City Council on Borettam sitting in for Mayor Dolan who is unable to be here this evening. As like last time, we will start with a work session agenda overview by Mr. Benda.

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considering that we're amongst the remits, the holidays.

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Last Margett, up sure our city's economic development director

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to engage us on those upcoming events

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and what they may be for us.

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Then we're going to turn to the 2023 legislative agenda.

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I gave each of you a draft of it.

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A week ago here, and then prior to that,

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have put in sense, you emails that show you 2022.

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you're adopted in the 2023 and there are some changes in form and what it looks like and

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so just want to make sure that we touch on it tonight and that the idea would be that we

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convene for the 14th Monday November 14th at 6 p.m. for the legislative dinner at University

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of Lynchburg to engage our local delegation for them to give us feedback with the ultimate

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culmination of if it's your pleasure to adopt that legislative agenda on December 13th.

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You have two business item briefings, and before I turn it back, Mr. Vice Mayor, if it's okay,

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I sent you in your peers last evening an email about a polling place correction.

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And if it's to be helpful to the registrar, I thought to read it to you here so as to help amplify

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some of what she's trying to accomplish was there was a bit of a data transfer error that caused

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some people to believe that their polling place had changed when it had not.

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So I'll read that if it's okay with you.

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Surprise Mayor.

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I have been made aware that a data transfer error in the city's GIS system has caused

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a miscommunication regarding polling locations,

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and precincts 4-1 and 4-2, that affects approximately 400 voters on certain streets within

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those precincts.

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These addresses were notified by the registrar's office several weeks ago that their polling

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place, San Tuskegee Middle, school, and St. Thomas Moore Catholic Church had changed when

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in fact it had not.

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As I understand it, the error was immediately corrected, and the registrar's office has

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notified by mail all affected addresses.

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The city's GIS records have been updated, and as I understand it, the Board of Elections

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has been notified.

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All redistricting data sent to the state is correct.

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If any affected voters have questions, they should contact the registrar's office for clarification

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at four, three, four, four, four, seven, seven, five, nine, nine, nine. Again, that number is

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four, three, four, four, seven, seven, five, nine, nine, nine, nine. And I've since received

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coming into Chambers here an update from the city of Registrar to specify to exactly those

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streets in those particular words. The addresses impacted included 116, 14, north, wind, circle,

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So, 1700 through 1815 Heritage Circle 204 through 314 Forest Dale Drive.

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Those are those are those addresses.

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And hearing nothing else or anything from you Mr. Rice may have turned back to you in your peers.

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All right, we'll move forward then to the work session agenda items.

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And number one is the combined sewer overflow CSO 52 Tunnel Project.

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And boy, this is really setting Mr. Mitchell.

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Good afternoon. Vice Mayor, members of Council, thank you for the opportunity to give you an update on our CSO program and specifically CSO 52 project. And I'll get started with that. Just to refresh everybody's memory of what a combined sewer system is. Typically, the, well, the combined system is a single pipe that collects both sanitary sewer and storm water.

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And typically, during dry weather, there's no issue.

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All that flow gets devoted to the water resource recovery facility, and there's no issues.

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But when we have a rainfall event, water also enters that system through the downspouts and

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stone grains and it overwhelms the system.

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So throughout our city, we have overflow points that relieve the excess flow.

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So, the discharges combined flow of sewer and stormwater directly to the streams.

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So, CSO was a state-of-the-art construction method back in the mid-1800s and early 1900s.

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So, overall throughout the nation, there's about 860 CSO cities.

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In Virginia, there's three Alexandria, Richmond, and Lynchburg.

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Alexandria and Richmond have specific completion dates dictated by the General Assembly,

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and the recent General Assembly action.

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Right now, we don't have a specific date that we have to be complete with our program,

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and we're still under our consent order, which is a financially driven order.

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Today, we will eliminate 115 out of the 132 overflow points, and we're going to disturb

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a full volume by about 93 percent, and spend over $300 million on the program so far.

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The map on the left is important to note for a couple of reasons.

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The red dots are the CSO overflow points in the city, you can see they're kind of around

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the perimeter of downtown and the downtown area and along the riverfront.

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The combined area is the tan area or brown area, which is a little hard to see, but that's about 950 acres.

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Originally when we started the program as over 6,000.

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Another important point about the map is the black dashed line, which is the boundary of the drainage area going to CSO 52.

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And this includes areas like Ward's Road, Lakeside Drive,

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Temporalake, 221, and all the areas in between.

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So it's about two-thirds of the city,

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which is important.

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I'll mention that in more than a just a minute.

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This is a picture of CSO 52.

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It's along the point of honor trail between Hans Mill and downtown.

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And when we have a rainfall event, this activates.

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So these valves open up and there's raw sewage

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and storm water going into the blackwater creek along the trail.

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One of the other problems we have in this area is also we have hover flows at the manholes,

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so we have manholes, sewage, come out of the manhole tops.

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This overflow point is a permitted overflow point, so we can stay in place, but we have to address

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the overflows coming out of the tops of the manholes as well.

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So, we're not dealing with just a CSO compliance issue with this point, we're also dealing with a development issue.

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So, rainfall events is a little as a six-month storm can cause us to overflow.

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So, technically we don't have any capacity available in the sewer line.

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So, if you go back to that map, the previous slide, we technically should be looking at limiting development and redevelopment within that black dashed area.

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So we really needed to holistic approach to fix the problem, to address the CSO issue as well as the development needs of that area.

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We looked at a number of options, which I'll go over here very briefly.

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First option we looked at was a parallel pipe, so this would be just another sewer interceptor, a large diameter sewer line that would be run parallel to the existing sewer line.

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The problem with this is, in this corridor, there's really no space for another large sewer line.

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And it also does not address through our modeling and studying of the system does not address the development needs.

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So it would help alleviate some of the overflow at the CSO overflow point, but it does not completely eliminate the manhole lid issue.

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in the sewage coming out of the manholes.

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Another option that we looked at was storage.

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We looked.

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Building a big storage tank at various locations along the sewer line. The problem with that is, again, space is a big issue, because we need about 4 million gallons of storage space.

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So if you've been to the Westwater Recovery facility and seen that big tank that we just built there, it'd be basically another one of those tanks somewhere along the sewer line.

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And potentially buried and there potentially could be other issues and a number of other issues associated with that.

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And conjunction with storage would also for a couple of those locations would have to build a parallel pipe as well.

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We also looked at separation.

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This is what we've been doing up until the last 10 years is doing complete separation.

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and built in a new sewer line and storm line in areas that are combined so we would in any area

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that was still combined the drain to CSO 52 we do a separation project but this is the most

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costly option and still did not address the development aids.

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So finally we looked at a deep tunnel and a number of CSO localities are using tunnels to address

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there's CSO issues.

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But Alexandria and Richmond are using tunnels.

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Alexandria has started a very large CSO tunnel project.

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The tunnel itself would be about 4,300 feet long, 12 to 14 feet

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and finished diameter, and be about 70 to 100 feet in the ground.

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So it would be a massive project.

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And it would store about 4,000,000 gallons of sewage.

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I'm not going to go through these alternatives analysis, but this is just illustrating

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the different options we looked at.

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The benefits of the options are drawbacks, the cost, and of these options, again, the

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tunnel option kind of rose to the top is the most, if you look at it from a cost per gallon

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of sewage-illiminated standpoint, it was the most cost-effective.

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It's not the cheapest option, but it's the most cost-effective from that standpoint.

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And overall, it has the biggest benefit from both the development needs standpoint and the CSO program standpoint.

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So one of the first things we had to do to determine if the tunnel was even feasible was to do some geotechnical work.

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So, at various locations along the Tunnel Potential Tunnel alignment, we've already done some

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geotechnical work.

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This is borings into the ground about a hundred feet deep, and with those borings, we need

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to look at the rock, because one of the things you want with the tunnel is you wanted

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in completely in rock, and it's kind of counterintuitive, but the rock gives structural integrity

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around the tunnel. So you build a tunnel in rock and you want it in to as a geotechnical

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engineers term competent rock. You want to blow the weather surface of the rock so that

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it's completely encapsulated in rock and there's no issues with structural issues or

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another issue with the tunnels is groundwater. You don't want a lot of groundwater entering the

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tunnel because then you have to deal with that and pump that as you're constructing the tunnel.

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And the results that we've gotten back from that jet network is that it's very favorable for a tunnel to be constructed in this area.

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Project of this magnitude, it definitely has its challenges.

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We'd have a small staging area.

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There were some areas where we had some site surface contamination that since then determined not to be a significant issue.

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We're dealing with a couple bridges, the railroad, floodplain issues, the river.

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There's also a geological fault in this area.

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Limited-out hydraulic head means that there's very little slope from one end of the tunnel to the next.

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Obviously, with a project like this, you'd have operations and maintenance ongoing,

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and that costs associated with that.

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and then we'd have to acquire subterranean easements for any properties that we would cross under.

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And then schedule is another issue and I'll get to that more in just a minute as well.

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So to build a tunnel like this, you first have to construct a shaft.

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And the shaft would be about 35 feet in diameter, 70 to 80 feet deep, and then it would be concrete

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line to make sure that there's no rocks and debris falling into the structure and that ultimately

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would become a pump station at the end of the project.

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And that's where the tunnel would start. So, when you're looking at a different construction methods of a tunnel, there's a tunnel boring machine that could be used. The problem, and I'll go into the present concept of these options in just a second, or drilling blast, so that would be basically hand excavation hand mining of the tunnel with entire length.

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And I won't get through all these, but the highlights, the advantages of a ton of boring

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machine is that once you start, you can exclate 70 to 80 feet per day, so it's a pretty fast

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process of moving the ton of boring machine through the rock,

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and it's suited for long

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over 4,000 feet. So we're right on that border line of using a ton of boring machine versus

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drilling glass. Ton of boring machines, one of the problems with that is there's a long

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lead time to procure a ton of boring machine. Most of them are manufactured in Belgium or Germany

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and they're typically constructed for the project itself and with a project like airs more than likely

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the tonal boarding machine would excavate beyond the end of the tunnel and then it would

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just be buried and left there because these big machines don't back up very easily.

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Drilling blast is the more likely option that we would go with.

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It requires a smaller area to start off with, a smaller staging area and then also we could

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also follow the curve of the stream more easily with a drill and blast operation so that might

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help avoid some easements in some other issues.

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So as I mentioned, drill and blast is probably the most likely option that we would look

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at.

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These are just a few pictures of the drill and blast operation kind of during the drilling and

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then what the finished tunnel would look like.

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Another challenge we would have is we would have to be able to get the sewage into the tunnel

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at the CSO-52 overflow point.

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So this is an option that we're looking at at that point.

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This is called a raise board.

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So basically the picture on the left is a boring head,

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but it would be moved into the tunnel at the location

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where we would want the drop shaft to be.

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And then it would be connected to a shaft at the surface

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and jacked upwards as the drop shaft is being excavated.

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This is basically what the downstream end of the tunnel would look like after the project

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is completed.

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The drop shaft would be converted into a pump station and you'd have to have an electrical

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building and access to the pumps and there'd also be a diversion structure constructed

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But here is well so that we could be able to diverge sewage into the tunnel from both

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the ends of the tunnel, which would potentially look at the CSO controls that we showed earlier

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on in the presentation.

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We potentially could achieve a greater CSO control with that after we get to the design process.

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Just looking at the costs of the CSO program and the tunnel, right now, the estimated cost to finish the program is about $86 million.

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The tunnel estimate is about $70 million, and then the combined, there's three other projects that we have to do to complete the program they range from $47 million.

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Now, I'll caveat that with the fact that we're in a kind of an unpredictable environment

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now, with construction and construction costs, we're seeing bids come in very much higher

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than we have seen in the past, supply issues are an issue as well, so these prices could change

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based upon our estimates today. This is what the cost would be. Looking at a current funding in

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many of you may remember, 2021, General Assembly Special Session, we received $25 million

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in our defense. That was, in conjunction with that, we had to have a $25 million match,

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which we would use originally a clean water revolving loan funds as the match and those are

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0%

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Your slides are typically principle forgiveness loans. Our portion of principle forgiveness. And then also in the 2022 General Assembly session, we received another $25 million.

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So that's a total of $75 million that we've got dedicated, or we soon have dedicated to the CSI program.

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The rest of the difference, the additional $11 million, again, we're not on any timelines so

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that could come at a future date or as air ability to fund those projects as we do our

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budgets and in compliance with the consent order, those funds may be available as well.

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The big issue with the ARPA funds is the timeline.

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We have to have projects bid and close on the grant by December 2024, and the projects must

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be complete or substantially, substantially, completely by December 2026.

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So for a project of this magnitude, that's a very tight timeline.

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But looking at roughly at the schedule, we've finished the geotechnical work about March.

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We expect to have the preliminary engineering report done, and then by November, the plan

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to have the design complete and bid the project and start construction by March of 2024.

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And project complete by December 2026.

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And that's end of the presentation. I'll be glad to take any questions or any comments.

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That this is the tunnel is for CSO 52. Of course that's not the only CSO location that still needs to be

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closed, correct?

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These are 52 overflow point would still remain open for an extreme weather event.

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This would address most of the overflows that would occur at that point, but it would still

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remain there, but the overflows would be extremely infrequent, it would just be a very big storm

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event that would cause an overflow there.

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So the A6 million that you mentioned, is that for all the CSO work forever and on, or is that just for CSO 52?

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No, that's all that we have to do to be in compliance with our consent order.

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So once we complete those projects, CSO 52 and the other three projects, then we're working with the EQ now,

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Department of Environmental Quality now on what

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at post-construction monitoring plan would look like.

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So after we complete the program, then we have to go back in

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and do sampling, flow measurement, and everything else

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to basically prove that the controls that we put in place were

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as effective as we said they were going to be.

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And if they're not, then we have to do what have to do more.

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We're very confident, especially if we do this tunnel project

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that we will have done enough to complete the program, but that process will occur after

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we've finished the last project, and then we'll have on one monitoring forever basically,

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but basically there'd be a monitoring period that we'd have to do to prove that we've done

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enough and we can call in the end to the program.

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And a moment ago about the sewer shed and a concern about development within that sewer shed.

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Can you say more about that and how we should interpret that as when we are thinking, for example,

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this discussion has been alive when lately about development in the city and where it happens and how.

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So again, this is the black dashed area,

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is that line of the sewer shed that drains the 52.

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And right now, we're having an overflow events

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with this little as a six-month storm event

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along the trail.

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And at this point, we're not under any specific orders

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from DEQ to address that problem.

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And they're basically there wanting us to finish our CSO program and see how that impacts

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the overflows along the trail.

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But based upon error analysis, we're still going to have a lot of overflows along the

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trail.

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At any point in time, the DQ could come in and say, because we're overflowing manholes along

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trail, we have to shut down development or win.

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Could allow no new connections to the sewer line until we address the problem or have a plan to address the problem.

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So, again, it's not something that we, especially a project of this magnitude, not something that we could do overnight.

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This is an opportunity to do it in conjunction with the RCSO program and utilize the funding that we've received to help address the development issues as well.

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You can do account when making zoning decisions, especially for large developments, that it

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could potentially, but again, if that could change if D.C. became involved in that aspect of

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their operation as well.

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History of doing that, is that something they tend to do?

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There has not been a lot of development moratoriums that I'm aware of with DQ, as long

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as the localities are taking reasonable efforts to address the issues, but there could

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be fines and other penalties associated with it if we don't address it as well.

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Always best in any of your presentations, particularly because of the engineering that goes on

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with all of our city projects.

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I remember when the CSO separation was first initiated.

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I would very young man.

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And there was discussion about how much progress

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the city was making.

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And how soon we're going to complete it and comply

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with DEQ and EPA regulations.

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And then 10 years ago, by and suddenly,

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they moved the goal post and the standards changed.

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and suddenly we had to have a much more robust plan to deal with what's been in the ground

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for over a century, is that the Vice Mayor has raised a good question as to how it impacts

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our decisions about development.

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My concern is it likely that the standards and criteria of EPA and DEQ are going to change

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such that what has been satisfactory will be antiquated simply because the rules of

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So we're hopeful not.

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I would think that based upon my knowledge of our system,

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we'd have other areas that we would have to do,

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maybe do some more, looking at the map of those,

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there's 17 remaining overflow points in the system.

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I don't know for sure, but based upon my knowledge and my history of working with the

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Q, there may be some additional controls that we'd have to do at some of these other overflow

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points, but if we do this project, we should give us a buffer of what we were supposed

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to do with our CSO program and where we ultimately end up, so we'll end up better than we

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And another primary reason for that is to make sure that we have capacity for future development.

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If we don't do this project with a tunnel, then it's very likely that we don't have the capacity for future development.

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The candidness of your answer, one of the other questions I have relates to the illustration

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that shows a tunnel inclined toward a water body.

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And then there's a tunnel or a channel or large pipe that goes over to the treatment plant.

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And there's a dam constructed at the lower end of the tunnel that inhibits free flow into

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the body of water except when there's a major flush and it can then go over that down. Is that

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correct? Correct. An air system, that's an illustration basically, but an air, and

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those overflow points are constructed differently with different cities and everything. Typically

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for us, it's a manhole with a pipe that's at a higher elevation than the sewer line at the

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So, when the manual starts filling up with the combined flow, then it will go through that overflow pipe to the stream.

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So, but those overflow structures can be very simple like that, or it will be very sophisticated.

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We have no overflow structure in Riverfront Park, for example, that has a weir and a bar screen, the catches, the solids and floatables,

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and then those solid...

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We'll fall back into the sewer stream after the overflow subsides. And then we also have another very complex and very heavily engineered overflow point CSO 56, which is behind Peedmont Mills. It's a very unique structure. There's only one other like it in the world, for example. So, again, they vary from very simple to very complex.

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And the question was instigated because I'm looking at a diagram that has a specific element in the diagram that his reference does a dam.

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But these are really risers and overflow pipes, not dams, way down in the tunnel.

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And this tunnel basically would be the tunnel again would be 70 to 100 feet below the surface of the ground and in order to get the water out of the tunnel would have to pump it.

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So basically the during a rainfall event the water would be divided into the tunnel the tunnel would fill up and then once the rainfall event passed the the pumps would kick on and pump the sewage that's in the tunnel back into the sewer line.

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and then it goes to the wastewater plant to be treated.

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The third question deals with that tunnel-boring machine.

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That's fascinating.

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And you said that because of the difficulty in backing it up and pulling it out of the tunnel,

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it would be left at some point.

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Would that be at the lower end toward the body of water or would it be

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boring in the other direction and going uphill?

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the excavation of the Tamil tunnel would essentially start at U.S. pipe and go towards

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Hans Mill up so it would be left potentially left in the ground at the near the CSO

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52 overflow point, which is a pleasure to Hans Mill.

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Is that Boeing machine necessary to construct the connection tunnel to the treatment plant

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or is a large tunnel not necessary to complete that flow of water, or flow of stormwater?

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Basically, the tunnel would end at the U.S. pipe, and there would be a pump station constructed

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there.

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So, the tunnel would fill up, and then the pump station from there would pump it back into

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the existing sewer line and the gauge from that point to the wastewater treatment plant.

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So, there would not need to be an additional pipe from that point to the wastewater plant.

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It would just use the same existing pipeline, but it pump into that pipeline once the flows

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subside and the rainfall event has passed.

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And, Trigging, thank you for that, that's all.

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Secure at the 75 million.

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There's one step in the process, I think.

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Mr. Binders want to mention in a minute, but there's one other step in the process to secure

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that funding, but we have 75 million available.

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So the additional 11, where are we thinking to get that from?

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That would come, again, we don't have, we're not on a timeline.

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Once we commit to this tunnel project, we need to make it happen basically because that's

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where the $75 million would go towards the bulk of the $75 million.

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The other three projects are not on a specific timeline, but again, we'd look at that with

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each year with their capital projects in middle to see if we have enough capacity to borrow

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for that additional $11 million with our CSO Consignal or we have certain financial

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criteria we have to meet and there may be enough debt capacity to borrow the additional

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$11 million as well.

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Just if you remember the timing in the state budget this past year was a bit later than the moment we is.

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And good news was that we received 25 more million from the state to help with this project.

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And so we have to accept that money by February the timeframes.

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So at some point at one of your impending meetings there's going to be that provision to accept those resources from the state that will be applied to this project that Tim is about before you.

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on that 11 million additional, not at that time, but as we get into the project further.

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Well, the tunnel project is about $70 million. And we already have some, the only thing

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that we're only funding that we're committed to right now.

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Now, it was a $25 million match. There was, for last year's appropriation. There's no match with this current $25 million appropriation.

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So, that doesn't obligate us to any additional funding beyond the $75 million.

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All right. Thank you.

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All right. Well, item two holiday events, and that is Ms. Upsher.

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Good

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afternoon, Vice Mayor.

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Members of Council, head of bringing your tattings of great joy about the update you this afternoon on special events that are happening throughout the city during the holiday season to the end of 2022.

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And the list that we're providing you today, it includes both events that are permitted by our office as well as events that are open to the public.

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And these events I just want to remind you are, let me see if I have this here, that

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you was going to do I have a slide.

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Okay, no problem.

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Thank you.

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Anyway, we passed the handout now, everyone's called Apologize.

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These events create economic impact, and they contribute to the quality of life in the city

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Lynchburg. So we want to prepare our citizens and our neighbors in the region and our visitors

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to be prepared to shop, die, and be entertained locally during this special season. And I just

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wanted to give you an example. As we look at these events, the human kind of Turkey tribe

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has been going on for 34 years now. And many cities across the nation have looked at how to

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attract talent into their municipalities and one of the easiest ways to do that is to try

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and reach out to those that have a connection, whether it be friends, family or your alma mater,

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trying to convince them to come back home. And so we have used the Turkey tribe every year as a

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are to tell Lynchburg's largest family reunion. When people come back for Thanksgiving,

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they're there. They come that morning. It is absolutely fantastic to run a walk early that

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morning. It's also four great calls and we are targeting them. So there's an element of workforce

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development and talent attraction even in our special events. So there was years ago, I remember

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sitting in a room in Buffalo, New York, had done a mass mailing campaign to the families

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of people that had moved away to try to attract that talent to come back. So that's one of the

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the strategies that we use is when the folks come back home, it's a fabulous Christmas morning,

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There's not a lot of traffic and you can think about perhaps taking one of the jobs that are open right now and coming back home.

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So I just wanted you to know there is, there are a lot more than just a great special event.

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So please remember that this list, so it's broken down by permitted city special events, parks and racks.

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Some of them aren't here yet, the Missleto market, I know that Parks and

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Recall, if we come forward with what's going on at the community market,

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it's just wouldn't available yet, amazement square, the academy, then the community

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events, everybody knows about, we'll have small business Saturday and the Virginia

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Christmas Spectacular that draws, you know, two of us and everything that's

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an unbelievable event, but we wanted the public to know that all these

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line up and the Christmas parade makes sure I got it right. I just checked it again. It's on the

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fourth December. And please know that things are subject to change. If anybody out there has events

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that they would like for us to post on the website, please get in touch or you can find an updated list

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at lunchforgbogenia.org slash events.

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Thank you.

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This is really cheerful.

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Dr. Wilder, do you want to say anything?

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I just want to thank you for the information you have to do.

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I think it's always such a great time for the in-the-lunch

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Reg area.

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And it's so many spectacularly events going forth.

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I remember when I was working in Washington,

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I was home on weekends, when I was head of the case in Boston.

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I would like to watch it in a quote of playing from DC to Boston.

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And the late and front of me had been in Lynchburg.

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Thank you.

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It came in for the Christmas, exactly a Thomas Road. It should talk about with the late next

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tour about how much he enjoyed it, how much he comes in from Boston every year for an event

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in Nishberg. So I just thought it was so nice to see so many great events going on

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at a track's person from all over the country here.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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I just had a business owner called me yesterday and pretty disappointed and discouraged that economic development hasn't been really focusing on the job losses and we got a thousand jobs that we just lost and we're I'm going to appreciate the holiday events

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I just, what are we doing to actually attract companies?

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What are we doing to promote our economy?

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I think that's, I'd like that focus more than,

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I appreciate the nice holiday events,

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but focusing on jobs and growing our economy with my,

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I'd like to see a little bit more of it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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It has to be a little bit of a good statement to make sure that the manager recently, when one of the companies left our community, we did get a report about what the economic development department was doing to attract more companies to make sure a company's state, to see what support the city could offer for those.

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So we have been given some information about companies and about workforce and how really we were trying to not try to protect but KDC1, even in their departure, how we as a community can partner with them and get other persons implores.

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to do trade number two.

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You know, CBCC is working on a couple of projects.

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Work, workforce development,

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to bring to those personal retrain in that time period.

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So I have seen economic development do be really strong

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of those efforts to help retrain workers.

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And I also have to try to keep companies here

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and to see what a lot of those needs are.

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So I've seen, you know, some different sides.

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Well, put, and I think it's one of those opportunities

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that while it was a communication to you and your peers

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to immediately meet what was happening

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and what we were doing, that could be something

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easily that we could bring forward to City Council and do here in Chambers and talk through

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all the ways in which we're trying to make Lynchbury that place that you relocate and start

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a business and retain you and keep you going. Absolutely. Thank you for both number three, the 2023

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Legislative agenda. Yes, thank you Mr. Vice Mayor members of City Council. In my remarks,

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leading into the evening, I told you that I've given you all last year's adopted legislative agenda

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and this year's draft agent, and the process or what I propose as a process is to the

422
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:50,100
evening I'll have made certain decisions on those elements or aspects that we would want to

423
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:54,620
highlight. Feedback that I hear from our local delegation is that there are literally thousands

424
00:42:54,620 --> 00:43:01,240
of bills annually that they have to put into play and or manage as they're at this state assembly

425
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:07,700
and they want to know from you us what's of import for the city of Lynchburg. And so what I

426
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:10,260
I've attempted to do working with Mercedes-Bron,

427
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,860
and she's worked with the 17 departments

428
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:15,040
in our constitutional officers and appointees

429
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,140
and different people to say, well, what's really

430
00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:19,700
of import for the city of Lynchburg?

431
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200
And thinking through too, because we now members of both,

432
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Virginia for cities and also Virginia Municipal League.

433
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,060
And I don't know that you know, and probably

434
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:31,520
many of you do, they too have packages that

435
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,800
outlined at Nazium, those things that are important,

436
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:37,360
particularly for the people that are members

437
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,860
of those associations, and then to what I've suggested by way of example here is to maybe separate

438
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:47,880
out some of the stuff that's maybe carried by, for example, Utilies Director, Tim Mitchell

439
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,860
that was just before you.

440
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,460
He has a body or constituents of folks that he's a part of that's a group.

441
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:57,260
They annually have certain things that they really marshal for, so what I'm trying to do with

442
00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:02,000
this is to reflect, I hope, what's really important for our city and that we can get it

443
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,220
before a delegation and before the state assembly.

444
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:12,020
And so before you, in the evening, what I propose is the three key principles I outlined

445
00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:18,260
in my email to each of you that two of which were very similar to last year, one of which

446
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:23,580
was recessed into the body, the emergency ECOs and temporary detention orders, TDOs,

447
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:34,200
was something that you had highlighted last year. And so same thing this year where I've made a

448
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:41,380
911 reclassification. I don't know that you are aware, but support for this classification

449
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:47,540
as a state public safety first responder within the Virginia retirement system is something

450
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:54,780
that, as of it, would be beneficial right now. I'm carrying 14 vacancies in the Emergency Operations

451
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:59,680
Center. Melissa would have been here this evening, but she had some things come up.

452
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:27,800
And that we're trying even down to the literature that we use to attract trainees into the program using a bit more of a caricature approach that looks like a video game, because responders are younger, and they've been with tech and some other things, so this is another element or aspect that when thinking about making sure that that we're competitive in that realm, because it's a hard job.

453
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,580
You've three different shifts, one of which is at midnight.

454
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,660
You're receiving phone calls from people in distress.

455
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:42,780
And so it can be one of those positions or jobs that's tough.

456
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,140
And so we're trying to think about all the ways in which to make it as attractive as possible.

457
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:50,800
And so I'd offer as one of the key principles and talking to our local

458
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,240
delegation.

459
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:52,080
This would be one of those.

460
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,980
This is from last year.

461
00:45:53,980 --> 00:46:01,580
The next two, I have Chief Zootima here, I'd ask him to, he's going to speak more to maybe

462
00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:05,480
an update on the ECOs and TDOs, and then also this swatting.

463
00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:09,100
I don't know that you've paid attention, but there's been a national occurrence.

464
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:12,560
I know that here within the Commonwealth, and I remember in Southampton roads and some other

465
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,200
areas, there's some things that happen where they've gotten a non-room on one call or some

466
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,160
kind of other communication that's something's happening and that they go into a lockdown.

467
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:28,640
And so, in this assembly, there's a movement by several counties to include, I'd offer the city of Lynchburg to address this.

468
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,920
And so, if a mental or a Mr. Rice Mayor, I'd turn it over to Chief Student Law to talk about these next two.

469
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:39,990
Afternoon, Mr. Rice Mayor, members of Council.

470
00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:54,150
As you know, he's heard me at this podium many times, talk about ECOs and TDOs and what we're trying to do is change legislation very simply so that law enforcement officers are responsible to go to the crisis.

471
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:59,550
Stabilize that situation, keep the individual who's in crisis safe, any other family members,

472
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:04,290
neighbors who are friends that are around them safe, and get that individual to a place

473
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,570
for mental health treatment.

474
00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:07,730
We do that right now.

475
00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:12,410
The downside is that after that, unfortunately, we are then in many cases standing by with

476
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:16,690
that person who's in crisis for hours and in many cases days.

477
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:22,830
We've seen someone as young as four-year-old child that we've sat with, and it's old

478
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:30,970
is 93 that we've sat with and so the goal of this legislation is to basically force the state

479
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:36,630
to put some type of structure in place that would allow someone other than a sworn-long

480
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:41,770
forceman officer to sit with that patient while they're under an ECO as well as sit with

481
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:47,330
that patient to transport them to various localities around the state for mental health treatment.

482
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:52,730
Again, that we have seen and you've seen the numbers I've shown you before, but they rough

483
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:59,790
the last since about 2016, we spent very conservatively over $2 million of our taxpayers money

484
00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:03,970
to fund officer salaries to sit with mental health patients.

485
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:05,770
Our goal is to work with the state.

486
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:11,010
We've been working with our state legislative folks here in this region and through a variety

487
00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:13,630
of other avenues to try and get us.

488
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:18,610
We are one of the very few states in this country that take this approach to a mental health

489
00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:20,010
with using law enforcement.

490
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:22,930
So I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have on that.

491
00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:29,790
Movement on both legislative last year.

492
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:31,670
I know it was about July to July last year.

493
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:33,570
Have they been any movement at all?

494
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:36,430
We've got a lot of success with Senator Newman,

495
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:39,830
who has pushed several different bills forward.

496
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:43,490
Some of those have increased funding to localities,

497
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:45,270
which is good, but very honestly,

498
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:48,850
that funding is a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

499
00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:52,630
That is helping some, but funding is not as strong

500
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:58,550
the issue is just the the design of the system. He's also put in a bill that is going to allow

501
00:48:58,550 --> 00:49:04,390
for localities, sheriff's offices and police departments to hire part-time folks to fill some

502
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:09,290
of that need. But again, that is just dealing kind of with the symptoms and not really with the

503
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:14,190
problem. So, but he's been great to work with as well as other legislators in our area to really

504
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:15,270
push the need forward.

505
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:41,250
I want to follow up with a few two of them up before too as well, as Central has been very supportive of it, and that they want to be part of the solution, and I'm in the center of the room and we'd like to vote for us as far as to the degree that we can create something particular, if it's if there's a solution to be had and we can figure it for Lynchburg, that helps him in his efforts at the state level, and so I think we don't what we can with the Central to be as creative as possible and we'll keep pushing that way.

506
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:45,230
we continue to work with horizons as well. I appreciate the mention of Central Horizons

507
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:49,290
been a great partner of ours to try and address some of these needs and looking at some

508
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:54,150
other areas to again where we can ultimately better serve those individuals in our community

509
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:55,570
there in mental health crisis.

510
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:28,900
Board, I do note that there are things in the works for the capacity issues, for example, a bed in the hospitals, a bed that is being occupied by someone in this instance, as opposed to someone who has a serious issue that needs to be in the hospital for, not putting a slight on the mental issue, but there needs to be a specific place for those folks to go, and that's something that I think is being looked into with some of the funds that were secured by us, Senator Newman.

511
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:42,300
My question, I just wondered why the state was not able to be more responsive in this.

512
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:52,740
I mean, for what has been given, but I just wondered if it's a problem across the state with other officers and localities.

513
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:58,540
And we're talking about task force against violence, needing more officers on the street.

514
00:50:58,660 --> 00:51:01,000
I'm just wondering if there's a correlation there.

515
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,420
And so that's your one part of your question.

516
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,700
This is definitely, and I've talked to Sheriff Sechice around the Commonwealth, and they're

517
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,500
seeing all the same challenges that we are here.

518
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:17,100
It is a my opinion, it is a massive, overhaul of the system is what we're talking about.

519
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:22,600
We're not talking about just changing, we're talking about investing, and having the infrastructure

520
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:29,180
in place to do what needs to be done, and right now, we tell you, we're transporting

521
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:33,020
individuals in mental health crisis, you know, four hours away to all corners of the state.

522
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:38,200
And I think the reality is, as we need to have some local options for that, but that comes

523
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:44,600
with a pretty significant infrastructure, investment, and facilities in personnel and staff.

524
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,000
And I know they're dealing with some of the same challenges that a lot of us are with hiring

525
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,800
folks in the climate we're in right now, but I won't say, you know, they certainly not turned

526
00:51:52,800 --> 00:52:00,300
deaf ear to it. I just don't know that there's been enough momentum behind it to really put

527
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,760
the amount of money that needs to go into it truly overhauling. Our mental health system is broken.

528
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:09,520
And when I say broken, I mean tragically broken. When we have a person who's in mental health

529
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,560
crisis who sits for six days in a hospital, the police officer and gets no mental health services,

530
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:20,380
that's unacceptable. And so I think it's a huge issue that the state needs to try and fix.

531
00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:22,880
And I don't think it's one that gets fixed overnight.

532
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:26,240
This is probably a multi-year problem, multi-year solution,

533
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,280
rather, to a problem.

534
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:37,480
And I really, I know the olden days,

535
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:40,020
health things used to be versus what they've done now.

536
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,240
Famous second economist, that always says,

537
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:45,780
the problems of today are directly related

538
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:48,220
to the government solutions of 10 years ago.

539
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,160
And you see that very evident at numerous things.

540
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,460
When somebody, one of your officers brings in somebody

541
00:52:54,460 --> 00:52:58,760
to the hospital, it's drastically changed.

542
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,080
I mean, you used to be bring them there, drop them off and get back on the street.

543
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,640
And so, you know, the funding issue, I mean, typically, central or the hospitals that

544
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,440
are actually taking in these patients, that's where the security should be.

545
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,380
I mean, for example, if you bring someone to the Blue Ridge jail authority, you don't

546
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:22,460
sit there with him all day, I mean, you transfer them, and so, the thing needs to be the

547
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:27,400
And, you know, I think what we've done is made things much too bureaucratic.

548
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,140
I remember the Senator Newman had a great bill several years ago.

549
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:34,640
The Cree Deeds had a different one, and that's the one that got passed.

550
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,300
And some of these things need to be changed.

551
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:45,340
I mean, it shouldn't be just, you know, overhauling with just another huge price tag of the solution.

552
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,900
Just needs to go back to some common sense.

553
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,180
You know, where you guys can bring them in.

554
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:56,680
when there's a threat, get back on the street where there's shootings running rampant every day,

555
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,780
where there's robberies happening, be it back on the street, rather than sitting there

556
00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:07,100
as though you're a clinician or something or a security guard, you know, so.

557
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,800
Thank you, Councillor.

558
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:18,300
I sure can. So swadding is something if you're not familiar with the term, but it's basically

559
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:25,900
Someone somehow communicating a false threat or false emergency that may be going on, that the term came from

560
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:33,600
Usually the threat that has relayed results in some type of a SWAT team or a tactical, you know, having to respond because the threat is alleged to be

561
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,100
So severe.

562
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:43,240
So this could be like an active shooter or, you know, we recently saw this eddc blast on, you know, just a month and a half ago or so along with, you know,

563
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:48,720
roughly 20 other localities in our commonwealth that had a similar call to where we were told

564
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:53,740
that there was potentially someone in the school with a gun and not a student but someone

565
00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:55,920
who was going into actively harm folks.

566
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,960
So the goal of this legislation and there's several different versions that are already out.

567
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:11,000
We've been in communication, I know Medche has, and I have through the Chief Association and others. But the goal is to try and really kind of solidify this law a little bit more and give some additional options.

568
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:18,140
There's some of it, it's just very honestly, the law is not kept up with the technology. The law currently says you have to call in a threat.

569
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:27,380
Well, very few people in the younger generation use a phone to actually make phone calls anymore. They use it to use apps, so we're using text messaging or things like that.

570
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:30,700
So we want to update that to make sure that it captures those as well.

571
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,880
A lot of 911 centers or public safety answering points and peace apps now receive text to 911.

572
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,760
So I'm actually receiving video in some areas now once we're going to make sure it captures all that.

573
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:55,500
And we want to make sure it also counts for if Dr. Tweetie was to call Mr. Nelson and tell Mr. Nelson something that's going on that she knows to be false to get Mr. Nelson to then call 911 and capture that.

574
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:59,380
some of the law right now is a little ambiguous there so the goal of this is to clean

575
00:55:59,380 --> 00:56:04,740
all that up and to hopefully deter folks because it is a significant resource drain

576
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:10,100
as it was at EC glass for us to send the number of officers that we need because we cannot

577
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:14,240
ever err on the side of well this is just a hoax we have to assume every call like that

578
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:18,240
is the real deal and send the appropriate amount of resources so hopefully this law will

579
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:24,400
clean that up hopefully deter folks and when people still choose to do these types of things

580
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,960
we can hold them accountable for.

581
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:36,610
Very good families with regarding people calling child

582
00:56:36,610 --> 00:56:41,870
protective services, as kind of more of a retribution

583
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:43,950
because they're dog was barking too late.

584
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,210
And recognize that they could say, oh, well,

585
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:47,010
we'll put them on there.

586
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:51,730
And some really good families that I know fit visits.

587
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:53,890
And it's just that kind of thing.

588
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:55,790
Hopefully that can kind of coordinate when you're

589
00:56:55,790 --> 00:57:00,070
making false claims like that, getting an enforcement agency

590
00:57:00,070 --> 00:57:03,750
that comes out there when it's not warranted.

591
00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:05,010
Thank you.

592
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:06,350
Thank you.

593
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,120
Thank you.

594
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:11,780
That's right.

595
00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:12,800
I'm going to say the generous.

596
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:15,360
Any other comments on swatting?

597
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,380
Oh, it's right, Doug.

598
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:20,360
Well, I'm just a question.

599
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:23,340
Because Councilmember had us and bought it up.

600
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,660
Is there anything that we should be putting forward for you all

601
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:31,400
to support what we're seeing in this uptick of shootings

602
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:34,560
and random robberies?

603
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,720
So I think the proof is in the putting with numbers, right?

604
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:44,900
I will tell you that overall, and I'll pull them real quick here,

605
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,360
and I believe you guys get this sentee monthly.

606
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,540
But we overall, in the last 12 months,

607
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,220
what I'd like to compare our numbers to is a five year average,

608
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:57,420
because I can always go find a month that had a really low number,

609
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,960
really high number and say, I'm either doing really bad or really great.

610
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,700
So, five-year average is what we like to look at.

611
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Overall, violent crime compared to our five-year average

612
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,500
over the last 12 months,

613
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,420
we're actually now at about 5%.

614
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:11,980
Now, with that being said, there are other areas

615
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:13,500
as you know that are elevated.

616
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:16,760
Our gun crimes are elevated right now, right?

617
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,480
And those are up, certainly,

618
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,460
our murders are higher than they have been in the past.

619
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,880
So, a tansure question, Dr. Tudia,

620
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,220
think the biggest thing that we still continue to struggle with

621
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:27,860
is getting cooperation from witnesses.

622
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,020
And in many cases, unfortunately, victims.

623
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,520
It is not uncommon for us to have someone who has shot

624
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,240
who doesn't want to tell us what happened.

625
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,420
And I understand there's a lot of dynamics

626
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:39,500
that go into that.

627
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,180
I understand there's concern for fear and

628
00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:44,200
contribution and I encourage folks to remember

629
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,700
that we have anonymous ways that they can report that

630
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,100
through crime stoppers, through a

631
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:49,920
concern reliable citizens program,

632
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:53,480
to bring that information to us so that we can then use

633
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,980
that to piece the puzzle together

634
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:59,900
without having to require that individual who provided it to be identified or to come to court and testify.

635
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,220
So, you know, we certainly want to encourage folks in the community to do that.

636
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:14,120
Obviously, some of our challenges with staffing is you know to try and make sure we're allocating our limited resources to areas that they can have the most impact.

637
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,980
And certainly violent crime is at the priority of my list amongst many other things.

638
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:25,100
But so, anything we can do to encourage the community as you all are out in the community to make sure

639
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:30,100
it's a cliche term, unfortunately sometimes, but if you see something, you need to say something.

640
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,420
And, you know, how I like to relay that to a lot of folks who are a little hesitant is, you know, if that was your family member

641
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:41,160
that was a victim of that crime, what would you want someone to do if they had that piece of information that can help us solve that?

642
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,300
So, I hope that answers your question.

643
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:42,900
More

644
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:59,870
broadly, I'm a skim through, if I missed it, please correct me, but I would be interested in adding some language, particularly within the top guiding principles of increased.

645
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,140
Funding from the State to the Commerce Attorney's offices, I think that's a need that we've been informed

646
01:00:06,140 --> 01:00:15,960
of to a very fine point and the necessity for prosecuting crimes. I don't want to send our officers

647
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,700
into the court system without that backup. And I think if we can find a way to incorporate

648
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:26,420
increase funding to Commerce Attorney's offices without the locality, also having to pitch in, would

649
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:32,460
We're exploring similarly with increased state compensation for teachers without a local

650
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:32,920
match.

651
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:34,440
They're rolling in cash.

652
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,440
I mean, so as the cities, as we all know, but with billions of dollars in excess revenue,

653
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,000
I think that's something we, as a council would unanimously get behind.

654
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:49,820
And then we currently do have a language in there regarding unfunded bandits.

655
01:00:50,620 --> 01:00:56,160
I think just given the dynamic politically speaking that we're in, I'd be interested in

656
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,040
including that in our top priorities.

657
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,840
I think we needed to make it known to the state

658
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,060
that look when you are passing a policy,

659
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,800
that is forcing us to take revenue from Peter

660
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,660
and give it to Paul, it's putting us in handcuffs to degree.

661
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:14,620
And so any way we could incorporate that

662
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:17,760
to the higher priorities, something I'm interested in.

663
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:20,420
That's a nice thing

664
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:23,880
to keep back to staff

665
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,080
on what's proposed here.

666
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:26,240
So a couple of different ways.

667
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:27,660
I mean, you're welcome to this evening.

668
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:32,260
It wasn't really pushing you to, I just wanted to make sure that I broached it with you this

669
01:01:32,260 --> 01:01:32,560
evening.

670
01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:37,180
We do have a trajectory where on Monday, November 14th, you're meeting with the local

671
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:37,740
delegation.

672
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:43,180
That'll be a time in which you can respond and talk to one another, as well, December 13th

673
01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:43,640
that position.

674
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,620
It has a potential date in which you can vote.

675
01:01:46,940 --> 01:01:51,220
Now, throughout the one communication that I sent to you in your peers was always open

676
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:53,840
to your feedback or input this afternoon.

677
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,480
We were opposed to the city's website, a link to the legislative package with a communication

678
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,340
for the public to send comments to Mercedes-Bran so that we can capture those.

679
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:06,040
We did this last year as well.

680
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,600
So there are many different ways in which to do so not simply for your peers but also for

681
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,000
our constituents and residents.

682
01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:16,860
No, no, please, no, this is super awful.

683
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:23,260
You know, so with that, what you said that our delegation's got thousands of bills and

684
01:02:23,260 --> 01:02:25,360
And focusing, I think, would be a lot better.

685
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:30,740
I mean, this is 13 pages of lots of stuff that are, you know, it'd be nice for us to

686
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:35,920
really focus on something that they want to do versus, you know, this one thing, the sidewalk

687
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:42,760
bank, you know, lots of these different things I probably would say, you know, is that really

688
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:49,000
something that we want to say for somebody to put it in the sidewalk, you know, like the sidewalk

689
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:54,740
to nowhere concept and then force them to pay for it and then, oh, by the way, we'll put money

690
01:02:54,740 --> 01:03:01,240
to go somebody else. That's one I want us to get rid of these sidewalks to nowhere already,

691
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:06,800
which we have a public hearing tonight where we're going to be forcing a church to spend about

692
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,860
100 grand and putting in the sidewalk where there's no other sidewalk that connects. I understand

693
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:18,980
the sidewalks, but I think that is something we need to really kind of be thinking about

694
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:25,780
that, especially when there you have a church that's trying to do good and now you say hey

695
01:03:25,780 --> 01:03:29,600
instead of actually having a hundred thousand for your program, we're going to make you put

696
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,080
a sidewalk that doesn't connect to any other sidewalk so only people that are going to walk

697
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,760
on the sidewalk are none of the people that go to the church are going to be walking back and forth

698
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,180
on the sidewalk so you know having sidewalks in here that way so there's lots of so we don't

699
01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:47,000
do we want to be talking about all these different items today or we're going to be just

700
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,880
send you and then be. I'd like to see this shrunk tremendously, personally.

701
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:58,800
What I'd say is a very careful, this is my second assembly, and I last year

702
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,300
did my toe into the water to say, we do, and I mean this with love, so anybody that's

703
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:07,880
previously sorry, we do a bit of a kitchen sink approach, and I don't know that it's effective for

704
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:14,600
the city. And so I without maybe going too fast too far too quickly with with you and your peers,

705
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,000
to try to do the key three principles.

706
01:04:17,780 --> 01:04:20,000
So super helpful for council and for all of you to say,

707
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:21,080
of these other things,

708
01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:24,380
I'd like to highlight this as of import for us.

709
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,820
And so when I'm giving you as a compliment of things,

710
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,400
and there's about three sections in there

711
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,760
that is this year's what the staff would propose.

712
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:36,040
There are ongoing pieces that are just before they

713
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:36,960
assembly and they're dealing with.

714
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,720
And then there's the third piece is kind of things

715
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,440
that we've accomplished.

716
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:47,480
So what I'd ask is that if there are things that come from the dinner and or your constituents

717
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,220
would have you, that you want to elevate and make it called the top five, the top three,

718
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:58,440
and I want to prescribe any kind of number, that is super helpful for me and staff when

719
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,000
we're working with the local delegation about.

720
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:15,480
I'm with you on it. I just didn't want to go too far too fast and they're feeling like, well, wait a minute, there was a document previously that had a wealth of things, and my thing is not in there. So this is, there was a, let's say, let's give him a page or two, kind of thing.

721
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,980
Okay, good. I love a great idea.

722
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:25,500
So you could have the two. It's almost the white paper that comes on top of something to say, this is what Lynchburg really, really, really supports.

723
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:45,900
And it's, you know, if it's a laundry, if you've got a bunch of conservatives and you give a laundry list of, you know, liberal ideas, it's, it's looked at and tossed in the trash and conversely the same thing would happen if it's, you know, I mean, it's, yeah, it's not successful.

724
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,920
I agree.

725
01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:54,160
Just wanted to make a point again about Monday, November 14th at 6 p.m.

726
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:57,380
At the Drizel Student Center at the University of Lynchburg, that'll be our legislative

727
01:05:57,380 --> 01:05:57,760
dinner.

728
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:04,100
We've invited Michelle Gattie, she's the chairman-exact of the Virginia Municipal League.

729
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,320
And then you'll remember the economists that we had last year, Jim Regenball, who was also

730
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,440
works not simply for Virginia for cities, but also VML.

731
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,460
He'll be there as well.

732
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:18,420
and so the hope or opportunities for them to kind of give us a what to expect kind of conversation

733
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:22,960
similar to what we did last year and then afford you and your peers at the local delegation

734
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:29,960
opportunity to talk about Lynchburg and the state assembly and hopefully the be some really

735
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,180
good food. So with that Mr. Vice Mayor that concludes unless there are other questions.

736
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,220
We will move on then to the business side and briefings and the first is filming on public

737
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:47,360
property this item will appear before city council for action on December 13th, 2022 and I believe that's miss Benson.

738
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,400
Good afternoon vice mayor members of council.

739
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:55,440
As you just said, this will appear on your general business agenda on December 13th.

740
01:06:56,300 --> 01:07:03,600
The office of economic development tourism encourages filming in the city of Lynchburg to drive economic development tourism and publicity for the city.

741
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:10,900
Staff works with those wishing to film on city property through an application process and coordinates and shares information with any impacted departments.

742
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:16,520
including Police, Fire, Risk Management, Parks and Recreation and Community Development and Public Works.

743
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,900
If filming occurs in a city park, Parks and Recreation issues a simple use permit,

744
01:07:22,220 --> 01:07:25,720
other locations are issued permission by the Office of Economic Development and Tourism.

745
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:31,220
A certificate of liability insurance listing the city as additional insured is required for all

746
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:35,380
wishing to film on public property. The city attorney has recommended that an ordinance be

747
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:37,320
a place to support this process.

748
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:39,220
Couple notes about definitions.

749
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:42,100
Filming or film means the taking of motion pictures

750
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,540
done for any purpose on public property

751
01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:46,880
with the intention that such motion pictures

752
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,500
be viewed by the general public

753
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:50,960
and academic institution or at a film festival.

754
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:53,460
Filming should not include news made

755
01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:56,120
by a lawfully organized news or media entity,

756
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,140
taking of motion pictures pursuant to the authority

757
01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:02,080
of the Federal the Virginia Freedom Information Act

758
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,180
or taking of motion pictures for personal,

759
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:08,800
non-commercial purposes, like social media account, for example, a personal account.

760
01:08:10,860 --> 01:08:17,540
And this is just a list of just some general requirements for filming. I won't read all of these,

761
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:22,080
but all filming conducted in orderly fashion, you know, keeping the sidewalks clear,

762
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,620
use of firearms or replicas as prohibited. These of explosives or fireworks as prohibited.

763
01:08:28,260 --> 01:08:31,580
It should not interfere with the city's emergency services,

764
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,300
And then filming shop conform to all applicable laws, regulations, and ordinances.

765
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,180
That's all I have to answer.

766
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:40,800
Questions?

767
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:41,460
Comments?

768
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,420
Councilmember Helgeson.

769
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:44,640
I guess just as I mentioned earlier, you know.

770
01:08:44,780 --> 01:08:49,980
I'd really like to see, you know, the off-second off-road focusing on the jobs.

771
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:54,020
Rather than setting up a new, you know, a new ordinance.

772
01:08:55,780 --> 01:08:58,660
I think a lot of people could film when they would be fantastic.

773
01:08:58,660 --> 01:09:05,580
I know that this is kind of almost like a, you know, they could film now, and now we have a new

774
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:10,000
kind of like a bureaucratic ordinance ordinance that says, here's all the things you have to do.

775
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,600
So, just my two cents. Thank you very much.

776
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Council member, for all this come from, we have had a process of ways to be a great

777
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,860
commission for filming just to make sure that people are, you know, using parks or sidewalks,

778
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:32,960
in use with other uses, you know, the city attorney asked that we memorialize this as an

779
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,540
ordinance to support that process.

780
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:38,740
I would add to what Ms. Bennett said.

781
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,100
So, there has been an informal process where economic development has issued permits or permissions

782
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:51,940
to basically keep track of and ensure the safety of public property in the city.

783
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:59,960
as part of that process, insurance certificates were required, namely, or what they tried to aim.

784
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:12,660
It was ensuring that if there was damage to property or there was injuries that the individuals that were responsible had insurance to cover the actions that they were responsible for.

785
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:26,080
This was brought to our attention. Basically, I think it was a citizen who had brought forth the fact that there wasn't really an objective way for the city to be able to say,

786
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,780
Well, what if I just want to video my family at a park?

787
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,280
Does that mean I have to get an insurance certificate?

788
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,220
Well, there was no objective way of determining that.

789
01:10:38,740 --> 01:10:41,720
So under the city's power to police, it's property

790
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,460
and sure the safety of the community,

791
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,840
this was a resolution that I and several other departments

792
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,060
had worked together on to try to have an objective outline

793
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:58,300
process to account for applicable exceptions, while also ensuring the safety of public property

794
01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:59,820
and encouraging filming.

795
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,440
Thank you both.

796
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:10,340
This harkens back some memory with Dr. Fordon in government class that had in college

797
01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:16,060
where the intention of government is one thing and then the outcome may produce a different

798
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:18,320
effect and the two may not be married.

799
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:24,920
The reason I'm saying this is so my mind rolls, we're in a political season, I go to

800
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Park and I film and had and then I share it as a Facebook ad on Facebook, well by

801
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,360
this ordinance but I'd be required to get, go through this process before submitting

802
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,740
that campaign material.

803
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,300
That's a question, similarly if I am, if

804
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:50,660
we're not putting a fee and a mandate behind doing

805
01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:59,300
it. What's the point except to make a point? And if we're saying, hey, you can't film on public

806
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:07,320
property without following this to a T, what's the punishment outside of the fact that we're

807
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:12,260
just saying, hey, you just got to follow this? There's no penalty. If there's no feet of administrative

808
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:15,800
of fleet do this. That was another thought of mine.

809
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,480
There's a lot of subjectivity, at least

810
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:26,440
in my interpretation of this. I've said it often, I'm no attorney, but I live in this field

811
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:32,940
a little bit. All filming shall be conducted in an orderly fashion. Well, if I'm filming

812
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:42,300
a zombie walk, which we've done, that might be a challenge. The use of explosives or fireworks,

813
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:48,080
we sponsor fireworks downtown for, and then we film it, and then we use it in economic

814
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:54,820
development to produce it for ads. That's a conflict. Why is the city filming explosives or

815
01:12:54,820 --> 01:13:01,780
fuck, and then using it to, these are just things that roll through my own mind when I read

816
01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:10,820
through this. So I could go into deeper, I think the intent is good. I believe looking back,

817
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:14,080
I may have initiated the email back and forth with this

818
01:13:14,540 --> 01:13:15,900
constituent, as a matter of fact.

819
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:17,920
So that's partially why I'm speaking to this.

820
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,500
I think this is a good step in the right direction,

821
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:24,380
although it may not be meeting the direct intent

822
01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:26,040
as to what we need to do.

823
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,640
And let's certainly be mindful for asking folks

824
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,080
to not use fireworks or explosions

825
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,460
if we're doing it ourselves.

826
01:13:35,020 --> 01:13:37,980
But I think in a common way you understand my perspective

827
01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:39,160
on this for the moment.

828
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,000
Thank you for getting this far.

829
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:47,880
I could provide some clarification for City Council and their all legitimate concerns, Mr.

830
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:49,120
for all he had mentioned.

831
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,800
The first component that he had mentioned was the idea of whether filming would be subject

832
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:01,840
to a permit of just an individual out filming in the road or wanting to engage in filming

833
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:07,460
for non-commercial reasons that is specifically not for purposes of making money just opposed

834
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:13,040
on their personal social media, et cetera, that is excluded from the definition of filming,

835
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:15,060
which is shown in the ordinance.

836
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:21,920
The idea was obviously, at least in my estimation, to be able to ensure that individuals

837
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,680
first amendment rights to do to be able to do that who are engaging in personal activities

838
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,220
weren't subject to the ordinance.

839
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:36,100
As far as the penalties, I suppose if we looked at it stringently and we wanted to enforce

840
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:48,000
on someone we could use the provision in the city code that speaks specifically to when provisions for penalties aren't provided for in a specific ordinance.

841
01:14:48,260 --> 01:14:53,820
There is an ordinance that we have that speaks to what penalty that would be imposed.

842
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:59,520
I think that's actually a class one misdemeanor, but it's my understanding that the idea.

843
01:15:00,140 --> 01:15:08,240
Behind this ordinance is just to solidify what the current process is, and no way is anyone to be punished for filming in the city.

844
01:15:08,380 --> 01:15:19,960
It's just to allow citizens to understand what is expected of them and what is needed from them as it relates to trying to film on the city's property.

845
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,620
I think broadly, I would agree if I may just respond.

846
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:30,060
Briefly, broadly, I agree, I think the challenge I run into is if I film on public property

847
01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:36,540
and then turn that into some form of a marketable, tangible product, even though it might

848
01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:42,320
be for a nonprofit per se, you're using a commercial aspect to it and that's when it turns

849
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:49,840
into not being a private entity, and I'm actually using a video of myself as a selfie and

850
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:55,000
putting money behind it to target people to get them to do something, and in that case,

851
01:15:55,460 --> 01:16:01,980
that might be a vote, I'll double down, so now we're saying, you can't use drones.

852
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:05,420
Well, is that flying over public space or is that only on public space?

853
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,280
You can't use drones, can't do fireworks, I'm pretty sure we do both when we're filming

854
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,100
they get, like, the fireworks on Fourth of July.

855
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:15,960
So thank you, I agree.

856
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,680
I think we just need to be a little bit more intentional,

857
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,980
maybe, and how we word some of this.

858
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:23,100
Thank you.

859
01:16:23,380 --> 01:16:24,940
Yeah, I wanted to follow up on that.

860
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:26,780
I would like to be very concerned with the problems

861
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:28,660
on which is, you know,

862
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,980
makes me wonder if the juices worth the squeeze

863
01:16:30,980 --> 01:16:33,200
by being so prescriptive that it actually

864
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:36,740
raises challenges and barriers for people.

865
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:38,620
Specifically, I'm thinking.

866
01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:44,280
So I guess a question that if let's say Lynchburg is a historic city, let's say I wanted to

867
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,320
film a movie about the civil war here, right?

868
01:16:48,460 --> 01:16:55,480
And they are carrying civil war weapons in their shooting a scene on Church Street.

869
01:16:56,780 --> 01:16:58,000
Is that negotiable?

870
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:04,060
And then if so, let's say the city was otherwise okay with it, how would we do they have

871
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:04,840
to come to Council?

872
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:07,100
How is that arbitrated, for example?

873
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:17,150
I would submit to city all as I understand it current requirements the city requires to be able to film in the city

874
01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:26,930
So these aren't arbitrarily created so I think I think what if this is something city council wish wish to pursue

875
01:17:27,630 --> 01:17:30,990
Certainly, you know, there is a way to allow for say

876
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:38,910
discretion to be allowed for by the Department of Economic Development, you know, subject

877
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:42,710
to the appeal to the city manager, say it was denied.

878
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:50,430
You know, I think that's a great point, as it relates to the Civil War reenactment

879
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:56,790
or for fireworks. A lot of these, I think like I had said, there are more informal

880
01:17:56,790 --> 01:18:01,250
requirements that the department imposes upon someone seeking the permit.

881
01:18:01,570 --> 01:18:07,250
They've just never been codified to where they're enforceable if that makes sense.

882
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:09,310
I would understand why we'd want to limit the city by

883
01:18:12,450 --> 01:18:13,950
putting out and setting off fireworks

884
01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:18,390
on the lawn of City Hall, while they're making their film because they didn't get a permit

885
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:19,830
right there in that aware of the process.

886
01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:27,710
I can understand that, but some sort of discretion, I agree, would sounds like it would be

887
01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:31,370
would be useful here is, you know, because if it's an ordinance, if it's enacted by law,

888
01:18:32,110 --> 01:18:37,470
then I would be concerned that folks would understand that actually there was some wiggle room.

889
01:18:38,490 --> 01:18:39,050
Councilmember Helpers.

890
01:18:39,650 --> 01:18:44,970
So he asked, do the scouts want to proceed with this, and I don't quite frankly, you know,

891
01:18:45,090 --> 01:18:48,890
because I see this kind of more of as a solution and search of a problem.

892
01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:54,850
I mean, I see this as all the different things that Councilmember Foraldi and the vice mayor

893
01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:57,890
just mentioned, you know, with the fine points.

894
01:18:58,110 --> 01:19:00,030
And I also understand how things work.

895
01:19:00,510 --> 01:19:03,110
You know, right now it says, no administrative fee

896
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:03,950
shall be required.

897
01:19:04,570 --> 01:19:07,010
You know, I just understand how things always work.

898
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:07,550
Right?

899
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:09,870
I mean, you chuckled, because you know, if you'll actually say,

900
01:19:10,210 --> 01:19:12,010
starts out, hey, we'll pick up your trash.

901
01:19:12,170 --> 01:19:14,930
It's included in your trash in your property taxes.

902
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:16,850
Well, we're going to add just a little bit.

903
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:18,130
Well, we're going to add a little bit more.

904
01:19:18,130 --> 01:19:19,890
Well, we're going to add this huge, longest thing.

905
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:23,490
And so I just, I think it's a,

906
01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:37,790
And what I would like us to see is encourage people to come here and do some films and report all the wonderful historical things, the Civil War, all the different items and not have to go through another bureaucratic red date.

907
01:19:42,670 --> 01:19:51,090
If City Council wants this to come back, and if so, if it were to come back is including the

908
01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:57,150
clause for allowing for discretion for exceptions by the Director of Economic Development

909
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:59,910
subject to appeal of the city manager.

910
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,940
Something you all want to see. I certainly don't want to bring this back. If that's not something you all would want.

911
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:08,280
You're 20, 24.

912
01:20:09,180 --> 01:20:09,680
You're 20, 24.

913
01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:10,960
That's it.

914
01:20:11,260 --> 01:20:12,680
I took my recommendation.

915
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,000
Council would be that the city of turning, taking the feedback received this evening.

916
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,800
Perhaps we visit the draft ordinance.

917
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,580
Tighten it up.

918
01:20:22,740 --> 01:20:24,600
And then raise it back to council.

919
01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:27,500
We'll be my recommendation at that.

920
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,800
The much later date, I would suggest.

921
01:20:30,820 --> 01:20:36,920
at the City of Managers when he finds this for perhaps the need for that.

922
01:20:37,420 --> 01:20:41,060
All right. Well, then we will move ahead to thank you very much, Ms. Benson.

923
01:20:41,140 --> 01:20:43,720
We'll move ahead to great orthodox rezoning.

924
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,720
This item will appear before Council for Action on December 13, 2022,

925
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:47,820
and that's Ms. Frishiza.

926
01:20:50,290 --> 01:20:52,290
Thank you, Vice Mayor, members of Council.

927
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:56,930
The purpose of this petition is to reason the property at 3300 Carol Avenue

928
01:20:56,930 --> 01:21:03,090
from I2 Light and Industrial District to B5 General Business District to allow the expansion of the existing

929
01:21:03,090 --> 01:21:05,590
church to include the construction of the covered deck.

930
01:21:06,210 --> 01:21:11,630
The church has been in operation at this site since at least 1955 and it's currently considered

931
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:15,430
a legal non-performing use in the I2 District.

932
01:21:16,090 --> 01:21:20,870
The future land use map recommends institutional uses for the property, these areas include religious

933
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:23,890
educational and other non-profit entities in the city.

934
01:21:23,890 --> 01:21:28,210
rezoning to be five would bring the use into conformity with our zoning

935
01:21:28,210 --> 01:21:31,610
ordinance and allow the expansion of the church has desired planning

936
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:34,950
commission recommended approval of the petition at their meeting on October

937
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:35,590
26.

938
01:21:45,620 --> 01:21:49,400
When you spoke with the church hopefully you everything in life has got

939
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:54,620
pluses and minuses. So as they are currently it's a non-conforming use but it's

940
01:21:54,620 --> 01:22:00,440
perfectly legal because that's why it's been. So now are there any maybe unintended

941
01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:05,720
to consequences that you needed to share with them, like if they do want to expand, like,

942
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:13,500
for example, in the front of their building on, um, Carol, are, no, on, on, on, on Mayflower,

943
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:14,060
on, I believe.

944
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,340
Oddfell is oddfell is their sidewalks there, but if they're going to go the other direction

945
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:24,820
on Carol, is this something that they would have to now, just one, make sure that you share

946
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:31,040
with them some of the unintended consequences of going from I-2 to a B-5.

947
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:38,600
Well, so industrial districts aren't subject to exclusion from, I think, you refer on it

948
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,440
sidewalk ordinance.

949
01:22:40,460 --> 01:22:44,940
I mean, we do have exemptions for things like grade or, you know, if there's like a storm

950
01:22:44,940 --> 01:22:51,300
water channel, like a ditch, that makes sidewalk construction not feasible, however, as it

951
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:54,760
is now, they would be subject to the same requirements

952
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,960
if they went over the threshold of a sidewalk.

953
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,160
I'll just stand there for a second.

954
01:23:01,140 --> 01:23:02,340
All under a nine, too.

955
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:05,800
They, oh, so they can't, the reason for the rezoning

956
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,740
is they're not conforming and you can't expand

957
01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:10,180
the non-conforming use.

958
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,340
So the rezoning is proposed to allow them to expand.

959
01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:17,760
All right, thank you

960
01:23:19,970 --> 01:23:20,650
so much.

961
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:23,310
All right, well, we will move then.

962
01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:28,170
in to roll call and at a respect and beference to one of our colleagues.

963
01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:32,030
I'm going to start on the other end of the dyes, Mr. Feraldi.

964
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:33,150
I'll just come back to me.

965
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:34,650
Thank you.

966
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:35,490
Dr. Wilder.

967
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:36,730
All right.

968
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:41,710
That's when I congratulate the one community, one voice in the police cat team.

969
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:43,770
They were out there at the middle of the last night in the ring.

970
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:45,930
Pastor Kennedy, the kids in our community.

971
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:49,670
I'm just so wonderful to see our community work together to better our community.

972
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:52,690
The cat team has been very active with one of the greatest

973
01:23:52,690 --> 01:23:58,190
community with the police department, with Sheriff's Office, with fire, all the others have

974
01:23:58,190 --> 01:24:02,510
been really forceful and cannot muffly and various other events in our community.

975
01:24:02,650 --> 01:24:06,830
We did talk about our shooting the other day. We had two shootings a week, but they continue

976
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:11,550
to do make in-roads in our community. Those are the all of us who are working together to address

977
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:16,350
the situation for our violence, our shootings, for the churches, the synagogues, the faith

978
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:22,670
community, parents, like I was just saying, make sure you talk to your kids. Make sure you

979
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:27,670
You see something, you know what witnesses in nature, so there's a community situation, a community

980
01:24:27,670 --> 01:24:28,110
problem.

981
01:24:28,450 --> 01:24:31,330
All of us need to address and work together to solve.

982
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:35,670
I'm also become mentors and big brothers to our kids, like community to big brothers, or

983
01:24:35,670 --> 01:24:39,070
Jubilee, or boys to girls club at various other places, where you can give back.

984
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:45,790
So when I encourage our citizens to do that, also on this Wednesday, it starts to

985
01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:46,750
must ask for kids.

986
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:49,090
They raise funds for kids in our community.

987
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:56,270
hopefully turn a parallel join us again this year and that you can give to one of those who would do it, but again, they raised about

988
01:24:57,070 --> 01:24:59,510
I can't remember about $300,000 a year.

989
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:10,900
Chief doesn't, because his mustache is amazing. I think he grows a month, but I'm so maybe you can get some of the other deputy assistant city managers never else to participate.

990
01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:16,940
But about 100 plus men saved their beers and mustache is off and grew up for 30 days.

991
01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:25,420
And this is amazing how they raised like $300,000 and 30 days. I mean, it is amazing what we do in our community.

992
01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:27,740
because it shows how it has to do with caring community

993
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:29,580
and so far for children's services.

994
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,240
So make sure you try to think about that.

995
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,160
And also Friday, the Pancake Jemperi,

996
01:25:34,340 --> 01:25:36,480
and several times when we cook in Pancakes on Friday,

997
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,060
I think it's on six or so to the seven I believe.

998
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:41,060
So again, another great organization

999
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:42,980
is giving back to the community.

1000
01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:45,520
So in love, like Lensburg does,

1001
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:46,960
I'm excited about that.

1002
01:25:47,060 --> 01:25:49,320
And as far as the message for kids is on Wednesday

1003
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,920
at Star Hill or in Main Street from 4.30 to 9.

1004
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,920
Make a comment about that event, be really great.

1005
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:56,440
Thank you.

1006
01:26:01,090 --> 01:26:02,010
Thank you very much.

1007
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:03,210
Earlier today, but Cron.

1008
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:04,690
I mean the Cron.

1009
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:07,850
Oh, it's just heartbreaking to watch the news every day.

1010
01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:08,990
I mean it's another shooting.

1011
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:12,270
Today, we watched three shootings in the last three days.

1012
01:26:12,490 --> 01:26:15,950
At birth to what apartments and you watch the news coverage.

1013
01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:23,490
And you see the numbers all over which probably means 41 empty casings.

1014
01:26:24,350 --> 01:26:27,150
You look at James Crosseing shooting.

1015
01:26:27,150 --> 01:26:31,610
in Kabul Street last night, and then you listen to the single woman

1016
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:34,250
that was interviewed on the news, got to broke my heart.

1017
01:26:34,670 --> 01:26:39,470
You know, when she says, I don't want my kids to be going outside without an adult.

1018
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:50,530
With that, we have got to empower, many things are happening at the rotten from some of this

1019
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:59,090
national malarkey that's happened, it's coming here, and this breaks my heart, you know,

1020
01:26:59,090 --> 01:27:04,450
one thing that we do have that I hope these single women trying to protect their kids that

1021
01:27:04,450 --> 01:27:09,730
we don't have any kind of negative impact to say, hey, you got to pay this the highest fee in

1022
01:27:09,730 --> 01:27:15,330
the state for your concealed weapon permit to defend yourself and your family. You know,

1023
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:22,070
something that we probably ought to think of. Another, that's I mentioned earlier, which we'll

1024
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:25,990
talk about tonight, which I'd really like for us to see what we can do about the sidewalks to

1025
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:31,290
know where. I mean, that's, really, that's another one that you see at church is, it's councilman

1026
01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:35,850
wilder just said, what can we do is the community and the faith community come together. When you

1027
01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:40,710
got a faith community and a church that now has to divert about a hundred grand to put in a sidewalk

1028
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:45,930
that nobody's going to walk on. I'd rather see it going either to the building or going,

1029
01:27:45,970 --> 01:27:51,910
you know, it's anyway. I just, I know the whole purpose of it, but the sidewalks to nowhere

1030
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:58,670
if there's a ability to figure out something different than just requiring somebody any time

1031
01:27:58,670 --> 01:28:05,050
they want to expand. They're sanctuary. You got a, you know, you already, I'm a shoe strength.

1032
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:08,830
So if we can discuss that at some point, thank you. Thank you. That's Dr. Cleedy.

1033
01:28:10,710 --> 01:28:21,290
Yeah, I'd like to hear from the City Attorney about personal interest, conflict of it, for lobbying, for varying policies and regulations by Council members.

1034
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:33,430
I don't know what that is, but if you could bring any type of legislation or regulations about that, I would like to see that.

1035
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:34,290
Thank you.

1036
01:28:44,050 --> 01:28:48,050
Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor, colleagues, citizens.

1037
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,100
City Council has many responsibilities,

1038
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:01,020
but crafting the annual budget is arguably the most important of its duties.

1039
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:07,820
City Council traditionally starts formulating its annual budget each February.

1040
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,060
When local elections were held in May,

1041
01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:16,340
Newly elected Council members took office in July.

1042
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,340
At a time when Council's summer agenda was light,

1043
01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:25,380
and the budgeting process was many, many months away.

1044
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,140
Because local elections are now held in November,

1045
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:38,220
Newly elected Council members will assume their respective offices in January.

1046
01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:47,800
They're by immediately placing weighty budgeting responsibilities on non-incumment council members

1047
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:53,420
who may have little or no practical experience on say council.

1048
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:59,860
That is one of the many reasons why I opposed the Virginia General Assembly.

1049
01:30:00,050 --> 01:30:07,130
You can see mandate to move all local elections to coincide with the November General Election.

1050
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:18,190
Because I did not seek reelection to city council, next Tuesday's election will determine the

1051
01:30:18,190 --> 01:30:27,890
successor to my vacated seat on this day's. I want that successor, whoever it is, to be oriented

1052
01:30:27,890 --> 01:30:36,570
and qualified as soon as possible to undertake the responsibilities of this office and not

1053
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:45,410
delay that process until January 2023, which would be on the eve of City Council's 2023

1054
01:30:45,410 --> 01:30:47,270
budgeting process.

1055
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:56,930
Orientation to the duties of service on this council is neither quick nor easy.

1056
01:30:56,930 --> 01:31:06,710
I believe the orderly, non-contentious, courteous, and respectful transfer of political

1057
01:31:06,710 --> 01:31:13,190
office from one elected office holder to the next is essential to ensure the survival

1058
01:31:13,670 --> 01:31:18,390
of our nation's constitutional system of representative democracy,

1059
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:22,410
likewise as an old

1060
01:31:22,410 --> 01:31:22,910
coach.

1061
01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:32,870
I often use sports analogies to illustrate a point, in that context, I view Lynchburg and

1062
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:38,710
this city council, quote, as my team and our team.

1063
01:31:39,890 --> 01:31:49,450
I view myself as a player on our city's team, and as a team player, I feel every responsibility.

1064
01:31:49,450 --> 01:31:59,810
Now, a duty and obligation to help whoever takes my position on our team to be as well prepared

1065
01:31:59,810 --> 01:32:07,550
as possible to confront our team's challenges before the tough competition of the 2023

1066
01:32:07,550 --> 01:32:16,270
budgeting season begins in February. Our team's success may depend on it. If my position

1067
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:23,810
on City Council is vacated next week. City Council can call a special meeting to expeditiously

1068
01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:31,330
appoint one of the newly elected non-encomment victors in that election to fill my vacancy.

1069
01:32:32,530 --> 01:32:38,650
At a time after Lynchburg voters have made their choice, but well before the budgeting

1070
01:32:38,650 --> 01:32:40,170
season begins next year.

1071
01:32:41,530 --> 01:32:48,090
Therefore, I announce my resignation from Lynchburg City Council to be effective at noon

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on Monday, November 7, 2022.

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I urge City Council to thereafter hold a special meeting to appoint one of the next, excuse

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me, one of the next Tuesdays, non-incombone election victors, to fill that vacancy.

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and enjoy a smooth orientation and gain a little more experience in this office before

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Council's budgeting process begins.

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Accordingly,

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I thank you.

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Accordingly, tonight will be the last time that I sit on this day and perhaps the last

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time I will be with any of you in these Council chambers.

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I offer each of you my sincerest gratitude for the efforts, the sacrifices, the time and talent,

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all city employees and administrators have given to me and our citizens during my four

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terms of office on City Council.

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As I vacate this seat, I repeat the words I expressed in 2010.

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When I first announced my candidacy for election to occupy this seat, I do not do this

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because it's easy.

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I do not do this because it is profitable.

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I do not do this because it's convenient.

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I do it because it is right and virtuous to put the needs and interests

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of all of the people of Lynchburg first.

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I thank you so very much.

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I have and will continue to cherish the privilege

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and the honor to serve on this Council.

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and to have promoted the diverse interests of everyone in this city.

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In pursuit of inclusive ideas, outcomes and representative democracy, I urge all of you and our successors to embrace the virtues of unbiased, courteous, and nonpartisan public service on this council, and throughout this community.

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And I pray that all city council members, both present and future, will collaborate, cooperate,

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and be willing to accept compromise when crafting solutions to our city's challenges.

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Thank you very much.

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May God bless our city and each and every citizen in it.

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Thank you, Vice Mayor.

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I

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may be why he asked to go last, but thank you, Councilmember Nelson, for over 12 years

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of principled committed service to our community.

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I very much hope that we will have the opportunity to thank you, fully, as a Council

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as a community at a date in the not-to-distant future, it would be our honor and our privilege.

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And I think it's telling of your service on this body that a former member, Council member

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Turner Perro, has joined us here this evening.

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Thank you for being here as well.

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So this does not get you though out of the 730 meeting.

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So we look forward to seeing you there.

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See you there.

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Yes.

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Council member Feraldi.

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It's brief and expedient, recognizing the time, but I don't believe I can let this go, super

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of me.

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My heart is full yet empty. Randy, my friend, no words can adequately, adequately summarize

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their respect, appreciation and gratitude. I and so many others have for you and the 12 years

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of service you have offered this city of Lynchburg. In ways this moment is on your part,

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the culmination of a lifetime of service to the city and all that it stands for.

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There will be some

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who will praise your leaving this day is.

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Not I. The friendship and camaraderie we have fostered these last two and a half years

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leads me to recognize the great loss. This government and community will feel by your

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Council. On any issue, we may arrive at different conclusions. Yet, never once has that forced

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us from being neighbor's colleagues and friends and norbred I expected to ever do.

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This is what makes Council Member Nelson a treasure to cherish.

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While one may disagree with

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any of your votes, Stance's comments or proposals, something we ourselves have encountered,

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we find ourselves ever walking together as fellow citizens.

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It cannot be denied the example you have set forth to all of us,

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constantly being true to yourself and the principles that guide you.

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In this charged modern day political environment,

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we all should strive to be more like Councilmember Nelson.

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Your tender resolve humble spirit and gentlemanly zeal

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our attributes I only wish to remotely contain or emulate.

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Truly, you are the Consumant Statesmen.

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I pray to the Almighty that one day I may even

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fracturally present myself in like manner.

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I've often said both to you and private and others publicly

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and I'll say it again now.

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Randy Nelson is a picture of what I strive daily

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to be as a council member.

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I'll be with a slightly different voting record, however.

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Though he may not realize that he is my mentor,

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my confidant, and most importantly, a dear dear friend.

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I know I still plan on calling you for that wise counsel

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and a ten of ear for those times when I may not know how to move forward

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or if I should take a step backward.

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Because I know that there's no more honorable and faithful representative

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to the people of Lentschburg. And out of that love for her citizens, your prudent word will

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still influence my ear and the city for your succumb.

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I thank my God in all my remembrance of you.

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In every prayer of mine, for you all make for you making my prayer be of joy, because of your partnership

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and the gospel for the first day until now. And I am sure of this that He who began a good

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work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. It is right for me to feel

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way about you, because I hold in you my heart for you are all partakers with me, of grace,

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both in the imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel. For God is my

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witness, I yearn for you with all the affection of Jesus Christ, and it is my prayer that

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your love may have bound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment so that you may

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approve of what is excellent, what is pure, and what is blameless, for the day of Christ

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filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through He alone, to the glory of God

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and praise be to Him, Philippians 1, 3, through 11, in Christ, and this is your gratitude.

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Thank you, Randy.

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statement, and you don't know how much I appreciate it, as Vice Mayor.

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I would like to ask Mr. Nelson in calling for that special session by the way.

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Thank you all very much.

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We look forward to seeing you back here at 730 until then, we are recessed.

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Thank you.