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Welcome to the August 13th, 2024 special call and city council meeting. Consideration of adopting a resolution

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centering and punishing council members, Jeff Helgeson and Martin Missions for disorderly behavior and misconduct.

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I hear by move to adopt the resolution, excluding resolving clause number 8. Do I have a second?

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The resolution speaks for itself as far as I'm concerned. If I may or for all these, do you have any?

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All right. Is there any further discussion?

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Yes, I've talked to both Jelf and Marty, and been talking to the mayor.

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I've been talking to both Jelf and Marty,

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and the mayor, for us to come up with a solution.

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a peace for solution, one that everybody can agree to, and I've asked Jeff Marty and the Mayor

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to ask our city officials our attorney, and all the employees for forgiveness for our

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behavior, I include myself also, because our behavior have not been that which become leaders.

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Our children are watching us, I get a call from Washington D.C. from my sister-in-law, they are watching us.

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They get a call from San Diego from my brother, they are watching us. They call us idiots.

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We need to put a stop to this. We need to, by the grace of God, ask for forgiveness.

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And I'm asking for forgiveness first because I should have stepped in and stopped this mess.

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Now, if we can apologize to one another and ask for forgiveness for everybody that has been heard,

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we'll be okay.

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And promise each other that this insane stuff is going to stop.

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We need to stop it.

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The media love this they love it and we need to stop it.

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Can I get

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Will the Jeff

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Would you like to apologize to the citizens and city council and Mary I'd like to apologize to anybody that I'm offended

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You know, I'm sorry that I fought too hard for the citizens when

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I first ran that's what I said I was going to do

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And that's what I've done for 20 years.

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I fight for the taxpayers.

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And if I fight too hard for them,

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sometimes we get personalities get in the way.

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And I recognize that.

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Sometimes we get emotional on things

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that should be factual.

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So, and with that,

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I would like to appreciate that council member Taylor

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for your godly wisdom.

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I would like to, for fear of if I quit speaking, I won't be allowed to speak again.

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So apparently I've got to keep on talking since I have the floor.

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So what I would like to say is one, I did send an email this morning.

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Excuse me.

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So you slide before good, so I haven't had the slide.

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You saw me for attitudes in all this been displayed from the city council.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, I wish we could work together better.

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I was so hopeful after we had five Republicans elected.

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That's why I had meetings or tried to get meetings at my house

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to where we could work together and come up with good solutions.

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I'm sorry if I offended folks, you know, it's not my intent, so you still have the floor, right?

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You can have.

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No, you still have the floor, because I don't want to have the floor if I have to.

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No, it's still the floor is still yours.

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I've just answered your question.

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Are you satisfied with what has been said so far?

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Is there any further discussion for you now?

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I would like to hear from my.

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Well, I really appreciate the initiative you're taking, and I think you're right, because

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when we're distracted by all this nonsense, we're not doing the business of the citizens.

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So I can absolutely apologize for being too forceful, trying too hard sometimes.

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And you know, I'm sure there's probably folks out there that have offended and it's never mind tend to offend people.

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So I do apologize for that. I apologize for

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all of us and then I also, you know, apologize to all of us up here for those of us up here that I've offended.

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One question I have for you is, you were circulating a letter for us to sign with the apologies on it.

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And can you tell us who signed that letter before?

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You and Jeff have signed or ready?

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Are they ready?

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I need one more signature in this from the mayor.

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And this was, say, that you three, and I grew myself going to stop this time.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You're going to stop it.

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You know, some of y'all take communion together in the same church.

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That's a dangerous thing.

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Your brothers and sisters in Christ, you shouldn't be backed by an indulgent one another.

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I'm sorry.

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Get filled up with it.

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I'm looking at the camera.

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I'm speaking to all the folks watching.

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Are you satisfied?

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Because I'm not.

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I reached out for separate times,

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She counts him in help of him before the press conference that day, the grievously called.

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Two phone calls to one number, one phone call to another, and a text message.

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Then you get Jack back.

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Not until 330 the next day when it said, oh yes, I'd be happy to talk.

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It was my intent to say this has got to stop guys.

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I don't know what your plan is for tomorrow.

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but it's not kind of be helpful. Please don't do it.

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Then convenience, Larry, I can't

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be going fall. Larry, I have before. Yes, I know you do.

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And then yesterday, I

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get a text conveniently from Jeff saying, are you able to talk?

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I genuinely

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consider it. I actually reached up to some of my friends and said, hey, what do you

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think I should do? Part of me wants to talk to Jeff. And 30 minutes later, I get

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BS link to some concocted news article with people in this very room quoted in that article

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saying by the way I assume you've seen this already.

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I've been down this road with Jeff

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Augustine before and I know what this is. It's nothing more than a submission tactic.

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I don't like it.

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This letter that Larry has produced, Larry, you're being played, hard.

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I have owned what I've done wrong.

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I've lost my temper.

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I've said stuff that are unproductive.

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I've owned that.

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I wear it on my back and I apologize for it, I have apologize for it.

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Saying I apologize if I offend you is not an apology.

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Here's my view on this quite simply this.

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If you think violating a turning client privilege is appropriate

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then vote against the resolution.

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It is often said by those in the legal community

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and the research I've looked into that turning client privilege is one of the most

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sacred components of our Republic.

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It should not be violated.

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should not be violated willfully, intentionally or unintentionally. Unfortunately, in this case,

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it was violated by

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my guess in what I have seen documented three separate intentional

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times. Folks, at home, I don't care if you're a Democrat Republican independent, if you're

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about. This is about do you think violating a turning client privilege is appropriate?

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Some

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folks might think so. I don't. I don't think it's appropriate.

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If there's some components

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of this resolution that you all would like to tweak, I'm open to it. Larry, if there's things

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As you don't like in there, let's talk about it. But we can't let this go on addressed.

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It's interesting,

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because even those in my own party say quite often, you know, they're going to be centering

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conservatives tomorrow. They're going to be going after their own tomorrow. Which implies that

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I would presumably care more about the reputation of my own party than the city I represent.

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No

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Guys,

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I care more about this city, the reputation of this body

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that I do anything else.

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I'm all ears.

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If I hear a genuine apology that I should not have violated and been in contempt of the

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will of counsel, and I'm sorry and it will not happen again.

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That's an apology.

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Are you back?

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I agree, the apology, we're dealing with two separate issues here.

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So, Consumant Taylor, we're dealing with brothers and sisters in Christ, we're dealing

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with elected officials.

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Now there's a part that that intertwines, and then there's a part that's separate.

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The apology, as far as what has been done that brought us to the center, is that two of our elected officials, as the Vice Mayor said, violated a turning client privilege, while doing that in arguing that they didn't, but they did.

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They defamed the character and the reputation of our city attorney numerous times saying things

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that were just inaccurate about him and his job and what he had done based on the narrative

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that they were trying to spin and tell our citizens that are now in social media platforms

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on the Internet forever, attached to his name that who

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have to defend and explain, if you ever wanted another job that

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went, and their efforts were politically motivated.

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That's what laid out in this resolution.

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So, an apology for violating the trust and the misuse of our

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attorney, the attorney client privilege, and for attacking and

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defaming the character of our city attorney, that needs to be

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period, because that's really what the essence of these centers are about in the motivation

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behind it.

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What's happened individually between all of us on and off the day is a separate

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issue. This is not the church. This room what we're doing as light of officials. But we are

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some of us, depending on the belief systems up here,

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believers in Christ,

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and that's a different,

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that's a different conversation than what we're trying

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to do in an official capacity with this century.

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Every organized body has a method in which they discipline

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people from his conduct, schools, discipline their students,

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business, any business that has an HR department, has a method in which they discipline

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people. And so do we. When you don't follow protocols, when you are outside the bounds

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of your duties. And that's what this is about today. It's been outlined in the center.

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So, people may not like that, but that's what we're doing.

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We've had countless citizens come to us for a long period of time, at least a year, asking

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us why is it that certain council members just get to say whatever they want to say, do

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whatever they want to say, or do violate certain moral or ethical standards that they believe

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that they're doing, excuse certain types of speech and so forth,

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and they get away with it.

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But yet, they try to expect others in our city

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to follow some type of coder conduct,

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but then they're not bleeding by example.

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We have an obligation to this instance,

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Republican or Democrat, young or old,

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the children that are watching,

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to show that we do hold our fellow council members

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to a standard, just like every other organized body

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tries to do as well.

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And to the point of the vice mayor, if we as a political party were to say, well, we're

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not going to do that to fellow fill in the blank that are we saying rules for the not

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for me?

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Is that the message that we want to sell?

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is we're not going to do that for our party members and if so what type of message to

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that is that cell or do we say no even in this situation we're going to hold everyone to

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the same standards and show that we do have to send a message here and that if that's the person

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that's being held to the disciplinary action, they accept it.

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And then have an opportunity to say, I'm sorry, you're right.

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You shouldn't have done that.

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Have an opportunity to humble themselves and then move forward.

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There's ways that this can be handled for a learning

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opportunity for everybody watching and listening.

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As the parents in the room, when we have to discipline our children,

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out of a place of love, sometimes you have to explain to your child,

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This is going to stink because it's not fun to have to discipline, but I'm doing it because

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of a caring place, and you hope that you can get them to a good place in the end because

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you're doing it because you do care.

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And whether people want to believe this or not, sometimes these disciplinary actions, including

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this, is out of a place of caring because we care about our citizens, we care about those

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who are watching, we care about the integrity on this day.

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And whether my fellow council members believe this or not, I actually do care about

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them. And I do care about their reputation in our community. And I do care about how we're all

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looked at. But corrective action does need to be taken in order for us to move forward. So while

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I appreciate Councilman Taylor's letter and the intent behind it.

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One is separate than what we're trying to do as the body.

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Any further discussion?

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Councilman Augustine?

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Well, thank you.

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You know, this is a called special meeting.

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Normally, we have meetings that are for the benefits of the citizens.

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Normally, we have meetings.

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You know, a called special meeting is something that is done kind of very quickly.

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normally maybe because we have to do something expeditiously, because we have a grant that needs

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to be acted upon, or we have a lawsuit that we need to stop the city attorney from fighting

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one side. Or if we have the other time that we had a special meeting years ago was when we had

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a polling place. Under the voters rights act there is a special called meeting that we had to

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to council members because we had to do it in time for the voters' right to act, so you have

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those kind of special meetings. This is nothing but division and divisiveness, as a special

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called meeting that says, it's not for public safety, for the safety of our citizens. It wasn't

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so we could improve education for our children. It wasn't so the fact that we could say, hey,

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We have this huge surplus, let's maybe give it back in a timely fashion.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the citizens that we are elected to represent.

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You know, what's interesting, I said to an email this morning, or this afternoon, actually,

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because although I do appreciate the fact that there was the notice that there was going to be a special

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called meeting today at two, I got that at Friday about almost five o'clock.

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The actual resolution with the language in here didn't come until last evening.

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Those of you that are up here that represent or we were sworn in or sworn to uphold the constitution.

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Part of that constitution says we have due process.

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That's why I sent this email today because we had this long verbose resolution that does lots of things.

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So maybe accurate, some, I really question and some are factually incorrect.

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Some of them, I really kind of question maybe the ethics of it.

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With that being the case, as somebody that's being accused of all these things,

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I do have a constitutional right of due process.

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Giving this to me last night at about seven o'clock.

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I think anybody Republican Democrat independent would say,

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We had people give their lives to sacrifice their lives,

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their fortune, their sacred honor, to have a country,

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to have a constitution that separates powers,

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that actually says, here's some rights people have.

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It's not just forfeited because of the fact

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that somebody forward a meme or a cartoon or something.

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What it is is the fact that we have this due process.

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That's why I said this, you know, again, the resolution, I got the official language last night.

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I do hope that all of you appear, agree.

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That I should be given the opportunity to prepare and present a comprehensive response.

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Shouldn't be given something last night and, you know, it's like saying, okay,

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I'm going to sue you and we're going to court next Thursday.

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for what? Well, I'll let you know when's denied.

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I probably should have the ability to have

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counsel. I should probably have the ability to present my case to be able to meet with legal

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counsel. If that's not done, that should be a very chilling effect of everybody in here.

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You know, we hear some language that says, oh, well, we're for this and for that. That should be

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body. That's not a good thing. Give ample time. That's why I sent this email. You know,

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just in breeding some of these things, I realize there's many factual ethical issues that

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I think need to be addressed with legal counsel. There appears to be lots of items that

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are arbitrary and capricious in here. There's even items in here, you know, it is no secret

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that I have been, as the mayor pointed out,

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have been one of the sharpest critics of our city attorney,

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because I don't like him.

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No, it's because I'm evaluating his performance.

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Competence, ethics, bedside manner,

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all of these kind of things that you evaluated an employee

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on, I've had Walter Irwin for almost 18 years

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I think every time I've given him a blow and report, I actually gave him the best report

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of any of the three members that we review our city attorney, our city manager in our

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clerk of council. Walter Erwin was a prince of the gentleman. He understood the law. He didn't

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come out out of the blue and say you're making a motion to lower the tax rate 89 cents.

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That's

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resolution just last week or two weeks ago, that was about money being presented.

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And saying, oops, I forgot to put the amount of the money in that resolution.

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Lots of things that I had put in my critique, my employee evaluation, backed it up objectively, backed it up factually,

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wasn't no slander us.

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It was looking at the actual results.

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And now in this resolution, I see the fact that he, one of his sharpest critics, is now

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somehow in this not able to weigh in on his performance evaluation retroactively, find

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that strangely odd, you also can't decide on his pay, which I voted against last year when

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his pay was increased by 20 or $40,000.

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I thought, oh my gosh, this is not a good thing.

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We need to actually, maybe look at something

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that can actually make improvements.

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Interestingly enough, as I see this,

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and I see these conflicts of interest in the record

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at phone call, the one recorded phone call

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that I did in my 20 years, was with the city attorney

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when he called me on a Saturday.

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I wasn't sure about what this was going to be about.

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My gut told me, hopefully the Lord told me and gave me some wisdom and said, you know

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you ought to record this.

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I'm glad I did.

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But in here he puts things that this was immoral, deceptive.

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Underhandedly,

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never once did he say this couldn't be recorded. I think he knows Virginia Law, Virginia Law is one sided, where one person can record. Again, one time in my 20 years of recording calls.

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You know, but there's no mention of this when, you know, again, not trying to be poking in the eye.

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But this happened before, all of you read about it.

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You read about that Chris Feraldi recorded and released

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private phone conversation with our congressman.

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Well, there's no problem with that, but there's a problem with mine.

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And obviously, we know that this was legally obtained.

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This was actually a non-privileged phone call,

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where he specifically said in there,

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we need one to get your opinion on defending Chris Feraldi.

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wanting to throw aside a memorandum of understanding and enjoying the electoral board.

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Throw aside the memorandum of understanding and enjoying the registrar's office.

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I said, no, that's, and I'm glad I recorded that because it's so now, and in that

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actual recording a little bit later in that conversation, you know, I know we talked about

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that with regarding the city attorney getting involved in private litigation and using

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City Tax Fair Resources Defend, one side of the other.

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And I'm thankful that that didn't happen.

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With that being the case, in that conversation,

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he actually talked about his performance evaluation.

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He said, hey, you didn't write me very well last time.

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Have I gotten any better?

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So he knows that I rated him poorly last year.

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He knows I've rated him poorly again this year.

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And now what he want to do in this resolution, we're not going to let you critique him, we're

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not going to let you decide on his pay.

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And now we've just heard the mayor say, oh my goodness, even these things could be bad for

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him to get another job.

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Well, that isn't my responsibility.

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I mean, I would, I gave the most glowing reports from Walter Runne because again, and some

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some of us behind this dias heaven hit that privilege of working with Walter. But Walter,

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even though you disagreed, he would disagree not disagreeingly, but he would say the other

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side and he would present it not in an attack fashion. I heard Vice Mayor for all the

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minute ago talk about that this is so important with regarding attorney client privilege.

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Let me just talk again. Back to my email. This isn't a defense. This isn't my case because I haven't

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the ability to meet with legal counsel. I'm sharing this because just in case somebody

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says, oh man, we're going to vote on it anyway without due process. That is a bad thing

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to do. So back to the city attorney where he said this was immoral. It's deceptive. It's

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underhanded. Obviously we know it's legal. Virginia laws pretty clear.

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But now onto the second

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element that the vice mayor mentioned as far as attorney client privilege. And absolutely

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I will apologize for any release of attorney client privilege that I have never done

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that. This one was different. This one was different because it was already released. Those

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of you who are at the meeting, we had a special meeting where the city attorney actually

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July 9th, read 2-3rds of the email that he marked Attorney Klein privilege.

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I'm not an attorney, but she definitely pointed out.

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But when you release part of the thing that you marked Attorney Klein privilege, you're

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not waving privilege.

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Prior to that, we also heard the mayor on the morning line, releasing that email, releasing

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the fact parts of it, didn't read the email by any means, in order to did, but read parts

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those. Saying that, oh yeah, the city is not going to protect the defend

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Chris for all day. Oh, yeah, the city though does need to get

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involved because of the fact that elections are important. All of that.

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So you'd really look and say this attorney client privilege wasn't first time

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released by me that privilege was waived by several people behind this

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most notably the city attorney, but even before on July 9th, but even before that, Chris's

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campaign announcements said the same kind of thing, which is perfectly fine, saying that

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the city attorney is not defending him. Again, no problem with that. The problem that we had was

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the fact that the city attorney was willing to use and trying to use taxpayer resources to

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in one person in a private litigation, not a good thing.

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We tried to be transparent.

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We tried to be very open and state, this isn't right.

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He said in a meeting a while ago that, oh, I could have called him.

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When we talked, we talked on Saturday.

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We talked about that.

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I tried to get him to say that this wasn't a good thing.

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Monday, he sends another email, or to see me.

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Saturday afternoon, 20 minutes after the phone call.

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He sends the email, saying, hey, here's what we're going to do.

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And Mark said, turn the climb privilege.

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That's what we call the special meeting on Monday.

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We called it at 9 a.m. because it was timely.

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It wasn't calling the special meeting just so we could be

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rate two members of council that maybe we disagree with.

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But it was actually there intentionally because it

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was needed timely.

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Back to the due process.

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and back to the Saturni client privilege with due process again as the city attorney will very

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vehemently point out that I'm not an attorney nor I pretend to be, but I can read some of

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the things along and have a kind of a brain. With that being in the case, I need, and I think

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this council needs to follow due process, needs to follow our constitutionally protected rights

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do process. I'm having to come up with this on my own, not having the ability to, because

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again, it came at about seven o'clock last night. To now try to come up with a case and defend myself

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without being able to meet with legal counsel what this is all about. So that's where I said

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this email today saying that my due process and this resolution does nothing but create further

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division and I appreciate the fact that some may think that it's a great thing and you got

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a punish or you got to do some things.

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But I think this does nothing for the benefits of our citizens.

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This does nothing because it's for their division.

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I believe that what would be an order is for us to actually table this to keep it on the

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agenda and do it our next regularly scheduled meeting.

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So, I can have time to actually meet with legal counsel of my own choosing so I can actually have the ability to defend my good name, to defend my reputation, to defend my 20 years of service,

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and in the spirit of cooperation, I think that we can work together for the good of the citizens, and we can move forward once we actually cool the temperature.

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You know, I realize there's been hurt feelings over time and, you know, this has never been done in my 20 years.

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Nobody has ever even thought about that.

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Nobody has said, oh, well, we can remove somebody or we can, we didn't like what they said, so we can try to censure them, or we can,

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you know, and I first read this resolution as it begins, you know, when it says, because of our chaos or not chaos, what was the word that was used.

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are disorderly behavior and misconduct.

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And so with that, I'm thinking disorderly behavior.

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I'm thinking about when we had a special call meeting

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where we didn't have a quorum.

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July 3rd.

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After that, July 3rd, where we didn't have a quorum,

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so we couldn't actually have business.

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Council member, Mr. Jones, and I got out from behind this

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dias, because we don't want to make it look like it was

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active the city, because we didn't have a quorum,

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So we didn't have a meeting.

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We went down because all the press were here.

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And we talked to the press.

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And not let me just ask you about disorderly.

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Was that disorderly?

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And somebody was standing over there

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on the other side of the room, saying, shut off the press.

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I hate to even say that because now I'm going

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to be recorded to say, shut off the press.

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I should go quote, it's helpful.

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It's about that.

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When somebody, the mayor said, get out.

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You must all leave the room citizens. You can't be here even though we had the room booked from four o'clock to five o'clock

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Where after every council meeting council members for the last 30 years. I know

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Mr. Whitehead that's been covering this for years and some of you newer reporters

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You talked to council members in the will same place where we

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talk to the press that day about the issues because we didn't have a

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quorum.

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We didn't have a meeting, but there are issues that still need to be addressed.

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And we address those openly, transparently.

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We address them without malice, without contentiousness, without meanness, but

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stating the facts.

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Now if people don't like the facts,

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that I'm sorry, but we presented it that way.

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But now, again, back to the disorderly, we had somebody in the back of the room shouting,

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waste fraud and abuse, so much so that the press said, hey, can we do this again?

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Because we couldn't even hear you with a person in the back of the room yelling,

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waste fraud and abuse repeatedly.

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And somebody in the front of the room yelling, get out of the chambers, shut off the press.

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I need a police officer in here now, again, violating some pretty important issues.

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You know, I appreciate our police officers.

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I appreciate that I was just endorsed again by the police benevolent association.

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I realized that I am not a person that is going to boss them around.

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I appreciate the fact that there are public safety officers.

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I'm not going to say officers, get in here and arrest these citizens.

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Throw out the cameraman.

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throw out the reporters, throw out the citizens, throw out the council members, they don't work for me, they work for the city manager.

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With that, I don't want to try to boss them around.

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And I know somebody got censured for saying something.

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And this center is talking about, you shouldn't talk to one of your employees that directly reports to you, the city attorney directly reports to city council.

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That's one of the people that we hire.

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We hire three people.

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The city attorney, the clerk of council, and our city manager.

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Those are our three employees.

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It's not our men and women in blue.

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It's not our deputy.

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It's not our other folks.

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So we have no say over them.

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You can ask them kindly if they could help.

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But back to the disorderly that this was talking about.

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The disorderly conduct.

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now are disorderly behavior. I'm trying to think, and I remember that I thankful that there's

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videos presented, reached far and wide, where we're standing up there, getting yelled at, and

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yelled and yelling going on, we stood up there and still had our press conversation, because it

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was important from transparency, for openness. Now, if Council is going to say, well, doesn't

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matter about your due process, doesn't matter about facts, because we want to do this anyway.

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I don't think that's a good thing, you know, this again just came out last night, got it

456
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at about seven o'clock last night, wasn't able to read it right then, just had my, just got back

457
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:09,870
from a family vacation in Minnesota, just had my 10, and a wedding anniversary.

458
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:13,330
When I got the email, we were trying to celebrate.

459
00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:19,750
I got an email saying, hey, I got a special meeting, and you are the butt of the special meeting.

460
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:29,990
So with that, I received this stuff in the mail last night, tried to present an email this morning,

461
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:35,650
or by the time I got it, it was about 12 o'clock to say that I do hope.

462
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:43,290
And I humbly request that this item be deferred until our next regularly scheduled meeting September 10th.

463
00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:47,850
If you would like to do as council member Taylor suggested, which I think would be very

464
00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:56,470
prudent, and that is to deny this, that would be great, and work it out privately like

465
00:43:56,470 --> 00:44:03,650
adults should, or what we could do, I'm sorry, that was bad.

466
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:04,750
I apologize to that.

467
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:05,710
That wasn't a good thing.

468
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:10,690
Thank you for laughing, Chris, I mean, that wasn't a good thing.

469
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:23,510
I should, again, I'm trying to not be, I'm not trying to specifically not be, you know, throwing in, you know, bombs, and that's, I apologize to that. I shouldn't have said that.

470
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:32,210
Where we can actually think it through, where we can actually talk about it as, as Council member for all they said, I, he reached out to me.

471
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:36,950
I didn't get it till three o'clock that afternoon because we did have the press briefing.

472
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:42,370
I did reach out and said, I'll be happy and delighted to talk with you.

473
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:49,010
I reached out again yesterday, as he said, to say, I'm happy to talk to you about this.

474
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:53,270
This was even before I saw this resolution of all these different items in here.

475
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:59,390
And so again, back to the due process, back to the ability to defend myself.

476
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,360
I do humbly ask that you defer this until September 10th. You know, with that being the case, you know, I realize this is, you know, it's political, has no thing whatsoever. Having at the 10th may even be more beneficial for you if you'd like to slap me closer to an election time, or you would like to take it out totally.

477
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:36,540
But again, due process is important and I do hope, and again, I'm going to close with this that I do

478
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:46,900
humbly request that this item be deferred until our next regularly scheduled meeting September 10th and I will make that as a substitute motion.

479
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,280
I have

480
00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:03,670
nothing else to add to my motion.

481
00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:05,550
Thank you.

482
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:09,520
So much.

483
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,070
So first, Madam Clerk.

484
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:18,610
If you can please make note for the record,

485
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:27,310
a disclosure that I'm not waving my due process rights by participating in these deliberations.

486
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:36,650
I've got some questions.

487
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:42,230
I don't know about a mayor if you'd be willing to answer any questions, or is that something

488
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:44,210
you're willing to do, or are you not willing to do that?

489
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:45,530
Just speak to your second, please.

490
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:46,430
Okay.

491
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:50,590
Well, I may have some questions for the city attorney as well, but the primary question that I

492
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:52,530
have is who prepared the resolution?

493
00:46:53,730 --> 00:47:02,930
Because I have some serious concerns about the resolution typically our resolutions are prepared

494
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:04,810
by the city attorney.

495
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:10,590
And then we act on them.

496
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:13,670
So in this resolution it says in paragraph 7,

497
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:15,790
Councilman Helveston and Councilman missions are barred

498
00:47:15,790 --> 00:47:18,150
from submitting an annual review and discussing compensation

499
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:21,390
for the city attorney for the period of July 1, 2023

500
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:23,770
through December 31, 2024.

501
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:28,710
So that's a wide-ranging bar on discussion.

502
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:30,550
That's basically saying that when I leave here,

503
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:33,630
I can't discuss the city attorney's salary.

504
00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:36,090
Well, have you known because it's public record?

505
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:45,610
If you're to do a FOIA request, in the previous fiscal year, in the next fiscal year, there was a massive salary increase last year.

506
00:47:47,370 --> 00:48:02,650
And, you know, that's something to think about because at the four-clock work session, we have on the docket, going to close sessions to discuss the performance of the city attorney.

507
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:06,330
So, now think about that for a second.

508
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,500
If the city attorney prepared this resolution,

509
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,420
where he's retroactively erasing our performance evaluations,

510
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,080
and, you know, you can't speak in here,

511
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,320
and I can't engage with you guys,

512
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,300
but, you know, I would be interesting to see if there were

513
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:28,380
show a hand how many people get a performance evaluation

514
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:30,700
or have got a performance evaluation in their times,

515
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,540
because you typically don't get the retroactively,

516
00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:45,920
removed one or another. And I think that's kind of interesting. So, what this does

517
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:57,780
is effectively bars myself in Council Member Helsing from having any influence whatsoever

518
00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:03,940
into his performance evaluation that's getting ready to be done in close session.

519
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,620
And, any salary negotiations that may be done in close session if that ends up being a part of it.

520
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:14,540
So they're doing that in advance.

521
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,360
So, preemptively, here we are, you know, Council Member Halvison mentioned, normally

522
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,680
special meetings are done quickly because there's something that needs to be addressed expeditiously.

523
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,200
Well, expeditiously what needs to be addressed is the prevention of our performance evaluations

524
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,680
from becoming record for the city attorney.

525
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:40,760
and our voice as your representatives and how your tax dollars are used in his compensation

526
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,280
baggage. That is what's happening.

527
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,260
I will speak to that in the next question.

528
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:48,260
So you will answer the question if you prepare the resolution?

529
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,740
Yes. I will answer. I will I will tell you that the city attorney did not.

530
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:54,480
Okay. Who prepared the resolution?

531
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:56,060
An outside council.

532
00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:00,340
All right. So we'll have this be known that I'm submitting a boiler request.

533
00:50:00,340 --> 00:50:05,760
right now for any correspondence related to the preparation of this resolution without

534
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,980
side counsel.

535
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,780
Previously, when I was sent here on November 28th last year,

536
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:15,820
well, in August, I submitted

537
00:50:15,820 --> 00:50:20,380
a performance evaluation that's about to get erased by this resolution, right?

538
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:33,670
And then on September 11th, Mr. Friedman emailed a Mr. Watel down at a law firm in Salem,

539
00:50:34,850 --> 00:50:37,690
regarding the preparation of a resolution to century.

540
00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:40,550
Now, it's here's what's interesting about that.

541
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:45,630
So September 11th is when that first email, Shadow Cross,

542
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:49,030
and I'll be happy to publish all those documents online this evening.

543
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:50,390
I got them in a FOIA request.

544
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:57,400
September 11th, Mr. Friedman, about two weeks after I submit my

545
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,780
performance evaluation, sends an email down to a law firm in Salem.

546
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:05,020
And what I know is that it was responsive to a request.

547
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:09,660
for records pertaining to the preparation of the resolution to

548
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:13,880
censor me. So that was the first email that I got that was

549
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,620
response into that. Well, everybody makes a big deal about, or not

550
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:23,860
everybody, but the press and Chris Veraldi and Stephanie Reed and

551
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:29,180
some other folks met a huge deal about, you know, the Liberty University

552
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:34,280
students spying on Christopher Aldi at a public event in a public forum.

553
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:40,880
Seeker really told a reporter phone call by Christopher Aldi from Congressman Good,

554
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,960
which I'm sure he's going to justify later.

555
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,100
He's but aside from that.

556
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:50,580
So everybody makes a big deal about that piece of it, right?

557
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Well, here's the thing that's interesting.

558
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,160
On September 11th, that phone call hadn't even happened yet.

559
00:52:00,730 --> 00:52:04,570
So two weeks after, I submit by performance evaluation for the city attorney,

560
00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:08,650
the city attorney initiates

561
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:14,070
an email with an outside council outside firm to do that.

562
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:19,550
And then I get censored for something that hadn't even happened yet.

563
00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:24,590
And the other thing that's interesting is you see the news articles that fly back and forth before

564
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:30,690
there's an opportunity for them to actually get the teeth to make it more of the

565
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:34,070
of a century. So Mr. Friedman actually sent a bunch of news articles to Mr.

566
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:41,770
Wadell and then, excuse me, not Mr. Wadell, Mr. Quinn, and then the one thing,

567
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:45,670
the one statement that wasn't really redacted in there after he sent all the news

568
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:51,290
articles that were part of the emails and letters that were leaked in some way

569
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:57,970
performance, which the public records that's fine, the one statement that came back

570
00:52:57,970 --> 00:53:03,230
after all the news articles were submitted was not be happy to assist.

571
00:53:04,810 --> 00:53:06,030
So Mr. Friedman,

572
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:12,150
who's supposed to be working for the governing body, working for the

573
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:22,400
city of Lynchburg, is instrumental in facilitating the censure and the discipline of your

574
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:30,620
elected representatives and providing no assistance or a legal support to them to defend themselves.

575
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,100
Now let me tell you something, there's a lot of people in the city that rely on public

576
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,580
defenders, that rely on organizations like Legal Aid, right?

577
00:53:41,330 --> 00:53:43,810
Wouldn't that be screwed up if

578
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:48,430
those people were just hung out to dry? You got to go pay for some four or five figure

579
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:54,270
attorney, right? So essentially, that's what they're doing when they come after myself and

580
00:53:54,270 --> 00:54:00,330
Council member Halibusen, completely violating or due process rights, not giving us any opportunity

581
00:54:00,330 --> 00:54:02,470
to look into things.

582
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:11,570
So with that being said, some more questions that I have are,

583
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,220
you know, we have the ability

584
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:33,840
in both state code and the charter to investigate, to find facts, to get to the bottom

585
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,040
of things.

586
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:45,260
Just like the previous politically motivated center, right, of me in November 28th,

587
00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:53,480
it's interesting because it talks about interfered in personal issues.

588
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,260
But let me tell you about that quote-unquote interference in personal issues.

589
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,280
Myself and Council Member Helverson had a meeting with the city manager in the city attorney.

590
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,300
About a police lieutenant

591
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:15,020
who has served the city valiantly for years

592
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:18,800
who was getting ready

593
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:27,160
to be fired, completely unjustly, policies being violated.

594
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,260
it.

595
00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:44,400
He went through the Grimans procedures. In the first step of the process, it was discovered

596
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:52,920
they did violate policy. And he got his job restored. All rank, all time.

597
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:55,530
There were

598
00:55:55,530 --> 00:56:03,030
officers that came forward on that person's behalf. And you know what? I will take a

599
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:09,470
that you're every day of the week fighting for the people that put their lives in harm

600
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:10,870
way for this city.

601
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:13,430
That's what I did then.

602
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:14,670
And with this,

603
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,480
I'm fighting for the citizens, I'm fighting for the taxpayers, I'll do

604
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,160
it then too.

605
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:24,890
So

606
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,600
it's kind of profound.

607
00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:37,450
This is an exercise of power, raw power.

608
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:40,610
That's what it is, right?

609
00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:48,590
power, the presiding officer has the ability to set the agenda, right? And I find it funny,

610
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:55,910
my friend Chris over here talked about how attorney client privilege is such a fundamental

611
00:56:55,910 --> 00:57:01,230
piece of our republic, right? This is the United States Constitution.

612
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:06,810
Do processes in it,

613
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:10,530
Attorney-Fly of Privileges not, okay?

614
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:13,930
So, you know,

615
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:18,470
I think what you want to think about that.

616
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:21,360
With

617
00:57:24,110 --> 00:57:31,700
Fapping said, if you had a unpolitically motivated majority

618
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,180
here, they would investigate.

619
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,980
They would get to the facts.

620
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,060
Now, unfortunately, they don't want to get to the bottom of things.

621
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:41,440
They don't want to get to the facts.

622
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,700
It's no secret that the mayor supports the opponent of Jeff Heldison.

623
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,320
She's got Facebook page post stating as such, I've got him printed out, is this election

624
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:53,760
interference?

625
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:55,840
That's a question that I have.

626
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:57,900
Is it election interference?

627
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,320
It's so, that would be absolutely terrible, absolutely terrible,

628
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,080
you know, one of the things

629
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,660
It's interesting in our rules of procedure, right?

630
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:14,060
And this is where

631
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:18,400
there's a misconception

632
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,540
about how business

633
00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:28,720
is conducted in the legislative body,

634
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:31,300
right?

635
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:38,410
The presiding officer may adjourn

636
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:40,170
without the Council's vote or appeal and emergency.

637
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:44,070
And here she may also call a brief recess

638
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:53,030
without a vote at any time when necessary to clear the air and thus reduce friction among

639
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:54,630
council members.

640
00:58:56,730 --> 00:59:04,930
What we have here is very simple. We have a majority that wants all of

641
00:59:04,930 --> 00:59:10,050
council to say what the majority thinks. That's not how it works in America.

642
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:14,330
The other

643
00:59:14,330 --> 00:59:16,510
that our rules of procedure say,

644
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:21,600
is that it enabled the Council to

645
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,400
train that to transact business fully expeditiously and efficiently, while

646
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,240
affording every opportunity to sit in the citizens to witness the

647
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,240
operations of government.

648
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,380
You know what?

649
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:33,420
But Mr. Friedman called around and was whipping votes on whether or not

650
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:36,380
to intervene on behalf of Chris Faroldy and his lawsuit related to

651
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:36,860
his election.

652
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:43,180
That was not business being conducted where citizens were able to

653
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:44,620
witness the operations of government.

654
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,680
It was not.

655
00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:53,100
So, yes, I will always fight for you to be able to witness the operations of government.

656
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,280
It also says that we need to protect the rights of each individual council member.

657
01:00:01,070 --> 01:00:27,890
While I also sent mayor read an email earlier, raising the same concerns, raising concerns about due process, raising concerns about having time to actually look at this, understand what it means, get legal guidance on this, speak with an attorney, meet with an attorney, right, and determine how to proceed. Never got a response to that email.

658
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:32,370
I'll make sure that email is available to the press as well, with the time span.

659
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,740
Just what we see here is, you know, quite frankly,

660
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,380
it's an abusive power.

661
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,820
That's what it is.

662
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:54,360
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

663
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:05,020
Now I commend Council Member Taylor, because he is the first person that I've seen up here, that's embodied.

664
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:12,700
Number C, we're glad to see under the purpose of the rules of procedure, to preserve a

665
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,680
spirit of cooperation among council members.

666
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,600
Council member Taylor is the first one to try to do that and I appreciate that and I thank

667
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,600
you for that.

668
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:29,440
And it's unfortunate that this resolution also penalizes council member Taylor.

669
01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:35,680
And that's what happens when you outsource something to a law firm that doesn't understand

670
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,060
details, and then it doesn't get properly proofread, but they're actually knocking you down

671
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,320
and seeing you already too broke. I don't know if you need that or not.

672
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:54,900
So with that being said, I'm also curious, Madam Mayor, because you lodged a claim of defamation

673
01:01:54,900 --> 01:02:04,360
here in your opening comments. Can you speak specifically to what that was because you actually

674
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:10,800
made a claim that we defamed someone.

675
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:13,260
So what specific statement was the famitors?

676
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,540
Are you able to answer that?

677
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,440
Or are you just alleging that we made defamatory statements

678
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:25,300
without actually having a statement to address?

679
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:28,600
You have the four to speak.

680
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,020
Could I go to the comments?

681
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,400
Well, I think we know the answer to that.

682
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,060
I'll be providing these to the clerk that she can put in the official record.

683
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,520
But these are transcripts, one is from a WLNI audio interview of May read on the morning

684
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,600
of July 3rd, 2024.

685
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:55,940
And I'll just kind of highlight some of the things that she said.

686
01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:03,240
I think she's, let's see, vice mayor for all these, not being represented by her city attorney.

687
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:11,550
Well, when you look at the email where we are told that we broke attorney-fly privilege,

688
01:03:12,850 --> 01:03:12,950
which

689
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:18,840
there's parts that aren't redacted, right?

690
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,520
That's this one.

691
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:29,660
That's right.

692
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:36,220
That's where he says that was previously attorney-fly privilege that the city wasn't

693
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:38,060
defending Vice Mayor for all this.

694
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:42,240
Something else that was stated.

695
01:03:45,310 --> 01:03:54,730
I asked her opinion about the city entering into some type of interest because the city pays for the elections so we have an interest in anything having to do with city elections that was this question was kind of in general, right?

696
01:03:57,950 --> 01:03:59,390
Slaus is not a private matter.

697
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:11,040
Financial resources are not a properly expenditure discarded.

698
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:13,260
I'm reading the wrong part hold on.

699
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,620
I got to read the unredacted part.

700
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:30,360
So that's in the unredacted part.

701
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:39,700
Again, something else that was in that attorney-client privilege email at the mayor stated,

702
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:40,100
right?

703
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:41,980
That we pay for them.

704
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:49,840
So the first person to actually break attorney-client privilege was my read on WL&I,

705
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,060
the morning of July 3.

706
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:00,640
And then in the meeting, the special meeting that actually happened on July 9th, right?

707
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:06,880
Here's Mr. Friedman's remarks, and I want to point out that I specifically asked because

708
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,160
I saw that he had a script in front of him, right,

709
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:13,760
that he was reading off of with his prepared remarks.

710
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,140
And when he was reading that script,

711
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,880
I asked for that script to be entered into the official record,

712
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,070
and that was denied, denied, OK?

713
01:05:26,090 --> 01:05:26,530
And

714
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,880
he wanted to address some claims.

715
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,020
The city's not representing Vice Mayor for Rolty.

716
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,120
That was part of what was attorney-clined privilege.

717
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:38,640
That's no longer attorney-clined privilege when he said it.

718
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,620
He said that my self-accounts and members of the Helgysin are not attorneys.

719
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:44,560
That is accurate, right?

720
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,540
Right, and here, Jeff, you are not an attorney and not qualified interprets statute litigation

721
01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:54,000
events or the like, same thing.

722
01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:57,250
Laws should strictly a private matter.

723
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,820
Laws should strictly a private matter between two persons is the claim that was made

724
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:08,860
of the Helgysin made, right?

725
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,500
He respectfully disagrees.

726
01:06:11,660 --> 01:06:15,980
And here, the Laws should not a private matter involving only two individuals, as Jeff publicly

727
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:17,840
state of the same thing.

728
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:20,280
It's going to disenfranchise thousands of voters.

729
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:22,960
He says it right over here, right?

730
01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:27,040
So he sat there, now think about that for a second.

731
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,020
I'm not going to go through all this.

732
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,320
I'll make sure that this stuff's available.

733
01:06:35,550 --> 01:06:39,090
But here's what people actually said.

734
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:47,300
It is exactly what was underneath the redactions here.

735
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,980
And they want to grandstand and gaslight all of you and turn this into something political.

736
01:06:58,860 --> 01:06:59,540
When it's not.

737
01:07:01,220 --> 01:07:05,840
There's no spirit of cooperation being displayed by Mayor Reader Vice Mayor Faraldi.

738
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,170
They don't have any interest in that.

739
01:07:15,260 --> 01:07:16,900
They have interest in compliance.

740
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,140
It's been that way since day one.

741
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:36,270
And they have a problem that some of us, who were also elected by the citizens, aren't willing to just comply and quote unquote kiss the ring.

742
01:07:37,150 --> 01:07:39,470
As Christopher Aldi always likes to say.

743
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,440
But I'm not the one wearing a free mason ring. That's Christopher Aldi.

744
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:49,000
You usually wear it.

745
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,220
No, we're talking about those two on your piece of work.

746
01:07:54,100 --> 01:08:04,780
So, with that being said, you know, I just think that it's very interesting that this

747
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:10,580
is what's happening.

748
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:13,860
My surprise, not surprised.

749
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:26,740
Not surprised when you see things like, you know, and I apologize to those of you in the room that actually had the guts to talk to reporters on these two articles.

750
01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:28,280
that came out over the weekend.

751
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,780
The first one was Lynchburg Mayor shuts down.

752
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:35,300
Critics exerts chilling effect on free speech and mid-conjipersy.

753
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:37,860
A national news.

754
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:47,660
I absolutely apologize to those of you for the disingenuous comments made by my peer

755
01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:49,500
over here that it was no big deal.

756
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:55,820
There's a lot of people that I've heard from behind the scenes that are

757
01:08:55,820 --> 01:09:02,140
terrified about coming forward against Stephanie Reid and Chris Veraldi, absolutely terrified.

758
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:09,180
You would not understand the resistances that you run into, door knocking and normal neighborhoods,

759
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,220
normal working class neighborhoods for people to support other than Chris Veraldi or Stephanie

760
01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:16,520
Reid.

761
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:21,600
And then the second one, in Battle of Lynchburg, Mayer faces more allegations of bullying

762
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,960
verbally if you're using constituents, right?

763
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:31,990
You know, I apologize to those of you that are in the room that are sourced in that

764
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:35,450
article that I have to go up to come forward because I know that's not easy because you're

765
01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:37,470
looking at the power government here.

766
01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:38,690
I mean, look at what they're doing.

767
01:09:38,770 --> 01:09:42,650
Jeff has been on city council for 20 years, five terms consecutively.

768
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:45,030
Five terms consecutively.

769
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:48,950
There's nobody that's fault for taxpayers harder than Jeff, right?

770
01:09:48,950 --> 01:10:03,190
And then to get removed from the finance chair position and replaced by somebody that didn't even know the school budget numbers on the radio.

771
01:10:03,190 --> 01:10:20,370
Right? To reduce him to the most junior member of council is petty. It's petty. This is like middle school high school girls locker room, pettyness, stuff. That's what this is.

772
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:26,530
There's nothing about this that has anything to do with policy. Right? Policy.

773
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:35,970
And you know, when we're wasting our time being distracted on these political witch hunts being carried out by the mayor,

774
01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:48,260
then unfortunately, you know, we're not spending that time on doing the business for the citizens.

775
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:58,580
And it's interesting, too, because they carefully line up these wear-as clauses on here, right?

776
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:07,560
To make it look like we release something after the vote, but they put them out at order,

777
01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:12,620
because they're trying to make it look like, you know, happen in a different way.

778
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,620
You know, I hope somebody proof read this.

779
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,460
I have, like I said, grave concerns about the conflicts of interest.

780
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,900
You know, we can't have, you know, the city attorney's office is responsible for the rest

781
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:30,560
of the elections to come before us, as a matter of outside council, did it.

782
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,540
It's in his job description, it's in city code, right?

783
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,620
So if he didn't review it, then he wasn't doing his job.

784
01:11:39,620 --> 01:12:04,700
And for that to be the case, you know, and then for him to also be the parliamentarian in this meeting and not recuse himself is also in no disclosure whatsoever that this is going to affect who can negotiate on any salary and benefit changes for him.

785
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:13,880
I am just deeply concerned that we are setting the city up for liability, that we are

786
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:19,160
setting individuals in here up for liability related to the conflicts of interest act,

787
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:24,620
the Virginia State and local government conflicts of interest act, which is the main reason

788
01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:32,040
why I support and seconded Council Member Helgeson's motion, because I do think if they want

789
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:39,820
go ahead and carry out this censure against us, you know, take our pay, try to get us to

790
01:12:39,820 --> 01:12:45,500
go to taxpayer-funded training where they have people that support policies that want

791
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:51,600
to restrict your second amendment rights, no, not doing that. Sorry, not going to waste

792
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:59,940
your money on organizations that are pro-government pro bureaucracy and anti-citizen and

793
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:02,520
anti-liberate, not doing it, right?

794
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:06,020
And

795
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:10,350
one thing that I do think is interesting

796
01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:13,550
is the change some language in here about

797
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:15,170
how they would collect the fine.

798
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,980
I think I have to have that wrong in the first time.

799
01:13:23,940 --> 01:13:27,780
And I am curious about one question I have about,

800
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:30,320
paragraph number nine is, is empowered to take

801
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,420
any necessary steps for future communications

802
01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:38,140
with Councilman Helgison and Missions. What are any necessary steps may read? Do you have any idea

803
01:13:38,140 --> 01:13:39,120
what that means?

804
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:50,590
Okay. I'll take that as a note. So what that being said, I do think that it

805
01:13:50,590 --> 01:13:57,450
would be pertinent to table this until the next meeting so that everybody has ample opportunity

806
01:13:57,450 --> 01:14:04,390
to have attorneys look at it. Obviously the city side, wherever this came from, wherever initiated,

807
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:07,450
And we'll get a chance to get the FOIA request back by then too.

808
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:09,350
It should be great to see, wasn't the city.

809
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:11,810
Attorney that initiated this resolution of censure,

810
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:16,630
because he did send an email to all of us saying that, you know,

811
01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:26,780
censure or removal would be in order for releasing that phone call.

812
01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:33,940
Right? So one person is telling the governing body up here that they

813
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,120
disenfranchise all your votes,

814
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,560
but we're not allowed to weigh in on his performance evaluation.

815
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,680
We're not allowed to weigh in on his compensation package, according to this.

816
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:59,440
And in addition to that, I think that there's facts to be discovered regarding this attorney

817
01:14:59,440 --> 01:14:59,780
Thank you very much.

818
01:15:00,580 --> 01:15:01,020
And,

819
01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:11,760
you know, I think that when people are going to lodge arbitrary and capricious claims, against folks,

820
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:25,060
any time government lobb, an arbitrary capricious claim against you, you should have an opportunity to make with legal counsel and be able to defend yourself. Every time, every time. But apparently,

821
01:15:28,330 --> 01:15:31,190
when Stephanie read, and Chris Ferrari set the agenda, that's not the case.

822
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:37,790
So, I will be supporting the motion to table this.

823
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:41,770
I do think that we need to have some more folks look on this.

824
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:48,010
And I would hate to see how much money we spent with an outside law firm.

825
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:50,950
If this ends up being totally, you know,

826
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:56,990
a griegiously wrong as far as, you know, being consistent with law, right?

827
01:15:58,210 --> 01:16:05,970
There are concerns that I have about how this is impacted by state code and other things.

828
01:16:06,150 --> 01:16:10,930
And then in addition to that, it also needs to be looked ever again, because California

829
01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:15,950
Taylor is senior on this council to May read, because she was sworn in the day later.

830
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:19,910
So that's all I have, I'll be supporting this motion.

831
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:24,070
So, so it's kind of unfortunate that they've penalized Council member Taylor on this.

832
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:27,900
Is there a problem?

833
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:36,440
You'd be an interesting dig into Council's records to find that I'm pretty sure two members

834
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:38,600
of Council walked out of closed session.

835
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:42,240
And thus, the minutes may reflect that,

836
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:47,180
Missions in August and we're not present because they decided to leave

837
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:50,320
for whatever reason I can't go into that because that is closed session.

838
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:57,680
But the minutes reflect that they were not there to certify the closed meeting because they left a year ago in August.

839
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:04,320
They decided to leave. They didn't want to be a part of the discussion with the city attorneys review.

840
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:07,160
They declined to do it.

841
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:14,860
So, if you all want to be a part of the conversation, maybe you should express an interest in doing so.

842
01:17:14,860 --> 01:17:23,100
Um, I would like to point out we have been talking, excuse me, you have been talking for nearly an hour.

843
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:23,960
Yeah.

844
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,100
And I humbly submitted at the foreground.

845
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:29,820
I just want an apology that what was done was wrong.

846
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:32,700
It won't happen again and it's moving on.

847
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,980
And I'm not going to listen to anyone telling me what I do not want and what I do want.

848
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,700
What I know is that it was wrong.

849
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:54,440
And I'm looking at all these folks in this room right now, who worked so dang hard with these two to cause chaos in this city.

850
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:55,060
Oh,

851
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:10,340
right. Keep it up. Keep it up. Keep it up. Keep it up, guys. I'm telling you, I don't look at you and think anything.

852
01:18:10,340 --> 01:18:11,800
Oh, good grief.

853
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:15,480
Don't only weasels up here the ones who are going to just take this to court anyway.

854
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,960
We know that's what they do best.

855
01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:23,170
Let's vote.

856
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:25,750
Let's do it.

857
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:26,710
Let's do it.

858
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:27,390
Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt.

859
01:18:27,650 --> 01:18:29,470
And also, I have the floor still.

860
01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:30,890
I'd like to point out anyway.

861
01:18:31,210 --> 01:18:34,030
These fines are just going to be paid by two men in this room anyway.

862
01:18:34,770 --> 01:18:35,990
I see them in here right now.

863
01:18:36,130 --> 01:18:37,430
The biggest donors in Lynchburg.

864
01:18:38,190 --> 01:18:39,990
They're just going to pay it off for them.

865
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:44,270
And also, you guys could go to any organization you want to.

866
01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:49,210
It's not just some organization that you have to go to any of them.

867
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:52,090
Find the appropriate training, go to it, and you're done.

868
01:18:52,930 --> 01:18:54,210
It doesn't have to be VML.

869
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:56,030
It doesn't have to be for cities.

870
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,440
Madam Mary, I'm not finished.

871
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,560
I'm not finished, and I would appreciate some decorum in this room.

872
01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:07,100
I didn't get y'all for notes.

873
01:19:18,650 --> 01:19:21,250
This is what we have to do.

874
01:19:22,650 --> 01:19:25,370
We've got to put an end to this.

875
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:35,870
We've tried multiple ways to do so, and we just listen for an hour plus to defending themselves

876
01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:37,690
over what they've done.

877
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:44,530
Folks, this whole claim over due process, let's consider it for a moment.

878
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:48,660
Due process

879
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,040
in a legal setting, sure?

880
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:58,250
This is a legislative body.

881
01:19:58,250 --> 01:20:04,670
We govern our own, a clear distinction from an executive branch.

882
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:08,650
Can we please vote on the substitute motion?

883
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:10,970
Vote on the primary motion.

884
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:14,070
And they conduct the business of the city.

885
01:20:18,510 --> 01:20:21,150
I'm not acknowledging you right now on the floor,

886
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:22,850
because I'd like to see if anything else about it.

887
01:20:22,930 --> 01:20:23,770
Yes, Councilman Dolan?

888
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:24,790
Yes.

889
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:25,810
I mean, I just say something.

890
01:20:25,890 --> 01:20:26,230
Yes.

891
01:20:27,130 --> 01:20:29,470
I see we've been here for an hour and 16 minutes.

892
01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:37,470
and I really am experiencing PSDD and suffering over the reliving the last 20 months of a dysfunctional

893
01:20:37,470 --> 01:20:37,970
console.

894
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:41,290
And all I want to say is enough is enough.

895
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:48,090
I just think that the divisive behaviors that we've experienced over the new majority, this

896
01:20:48,090 --> 01:20:52,390
console is truly dysfunctional and really getting in the way of our doing business and our

897
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:53,330
governing in the city.

898
01:20:53,950 --> 01:20:57,430
And you can sit up here and apologize, but then you turn right around.

899
01:20:57,430 --> 01:21:01,530
I've watched it the last hour and 16 minutes and your behaviors are all the same.

900
01:21:01,870 --> 01:21:03,770
So I don't, I don't believe anything's going to change.

901
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:08,750
I think that I would support the resolution for this reason.

902
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:14,490
Hopefully people will wake up and decide that their behaviors have been really bad for this

903
01:21:14,490 --> 01:21:14,930
console.

904
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:22,890
I just, I, I, I, I sit here silently watching this and I am in absolute other disbelief.

905
01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:25,970
And I can tell you, this does involve the citizen.

906
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:27,630
This does affect the citizens.

907
01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:31,990
I can go anywhere, then I am not stopped by it.

908
01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:34,630
Republicans, Democrats, independents, or whatever,

909
01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:38,350
looking at me and saying, why can't Council do something

910
01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:40,810
about the members to see Council that are so disruptive?

911
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:44,090
So I'm telling you, something has to change

912
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:47,630
because this city is really suffering as a result of it.

913
01:21:47,670 --> 01:21:47,890
It's a lose.

914
01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:50,250
Dr. Wow?

915
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:58,720
So before we go out on the substitute motion, I'll just say this, as I'm sitting here listening

916
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:05,020
to all this, you know, I'm so sorry that Councilman Taylor has been put into the middle

917
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:12,840
of this and I feel like used in some way, because I really feel like you have been Councilman

918
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:18,120
Taylor because I know you're intent and I know you're heart and you and I talk a lot about

919
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,540
kinds of things that had nothing to do with what's going on up here.

920
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,240
I had a conversation

921
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:36,380
with you earlier today about people's hearts and the hope and the prayer that I'm trying

922
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:44,360
to see you, okay, they're great. The hope that genuine hearts would be shown up here so that

923
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:52,580
when we had to call the vote maybe what was necessary wouldn't necessarily be necessary. But

924
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:57,220
Unfortunately, I haven't seen that.

925
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:03,920
I haven't seen genuine repentance here as far as apology

926
01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:08,580
for the actual acts that brought us to this place.

927
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,980
I haven't seen that.

928
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:23,520
I've seen mud slinging and lying and intentions

929
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,940
to throw other things,

930
01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:36,070
throw other people under the bus rather than just address the behaviors

931
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:41,030
that we're supposed to be talking about. And that doesn't make things better, it makes things

932
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:52,490
more challenging. So those are my concerns, and that's what I had told you I was hoping

933
01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:55,450
that we could get to and just address this.

934
01:23:56,910 --> 01:24:00,030
But then a whole one to other things unrelated

935
01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:05,090
have come up deflection tactics and so forth,

936
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:08,770
and that's what happens.

937
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:14,230
And so you know, you all can see what you want to say.

938
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:15,250
That's fine.

939
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:20,720
All my life I have been faithful.

940
01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:27,170
Oh my life I have been so so good.

941
01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:38,250
Okay let's take a vote please for the

942
01:24:38,250 --> 01:24:44,470
sub-preet motion please. I wasn't directing anything towards you Councilman

943
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:48,610
Missions and I would like to call the vote for the substitute motion right now please.

944
01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:58,750
Yes, Councilmember Taylor? Yes. Councilmember Wouter? No. Vice Mayor Frawdy?

945
01:24:59,390 --> 01:25:06,670
Mayor Reed? No. The motion fails. Okay, now I'd like to call the vote for the main motion.

946
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:09,090
I have a chance to speak to the main motion. You have a chance to speak to the main motion?

947
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:12,590
I would like to call.

948
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:16,870
Madam Mayor, I have a chance to speak to the point of order.

949
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,660
What's your point of order?

950
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:23,860
My point of order is that I haven't had an opportunity to speak to the main motion.

951
01:25:24,860 --> 01:25:29,740
Mr. Friedman and I believe that the rules of procedure actually give council members a

952
01:25:29,740 --> 01:25:32,740
right to speak to the motion before voting on it.

953
01:25:32,740 --> 01:25:33,580
All right.

954
01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:37,080
I need to speak to you in all of these reasons why he didn't believe that we should have

955
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,180
That's not your interpretation.

956
01:25:38,460 --> 01:25:40,760
I'm talking to the attorney, Madam Mayor.

957
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,520
It's the attorney's interpretation.

958
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,840
You don't live inside my mind.

959
01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:53,680
I understand, I understand the question, Madam Mayor, what I would offer in your district.

960
01:25:55,460 --> 01:25:56,840
Sorry, can you hear me?

961
01:25:58,220 --> 01:26:12,000
What I would offer is, while Council Members Helves and Missions have made various points as part of their substitute motion, given the nature of the resolution that's on the table and the primary motion being back,

962
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,780
especially with claims of wanting due process and being able to be heard.

963
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:20,360
So, long as they have an opportunity to be heard within the rules of procedure,

964
01:26:20,580 --> 01:26:25,760
I think it's fair to allow all members, again, to speak to the censure, now that it's on the table.

965
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:28,380
Okay.

966
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:29,080
Okay, for

967
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:39,020
due to the interest of the time, because we've been going so long,

968
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:46,500
that I would like to this, at this point, acknowledge our time limit of 30 minutes total for debate,

969
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:48,620
because we do have a four o'clock work session.

970
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:55,220
So total for everyone to speak, so I can call the vote.

971
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,600
That means everyone's speaking maximum of 30 minutes.

972
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:00,260
Go ahead.

973
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:03,400
All right.

974
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,700
So, let me get back to my notes here.

975
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:17,090
So, I have some questions.

976
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:18,850
Feel free to answer them.

977
01:27:19,210 --> 01:27:21,750
Attorney, mayor, if you don't answer them.

978
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:25,150
It's fine too, but you know,

979
01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:29,060
on page one

980
01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:35,520
in the first paragraph, section 37 and city charter

981
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:41,280
it says that members of council of the profound duty of making decisions to the best interests

982
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:41,960
of the city.

983
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:49,060
So I'm not just agreeing with that statement, but as the sections say we have the duty

984
01:27:49,060 --> 01:27:55,040
to act in the best interests of the city, the language is not in the charter, is it?

985
01:27:55,820 --> 01:28:00,660
I said that because what's in the best way of the city is most often the subject of our public-to-date debate and disagreement.

986
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:07,300
Right, so like I said earlier, you know, part of the process is the debate.

987
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:17,360
And it's pretty clear what's happening up here is, you know, there looks like they might be trying to squash debate.

988
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,260
Using retaliatory threatening and bullying tactics.

989
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:30,800
So, again,

990
01:28:33,190 --> 01:28:41,990
you know, the closed session, we could have had a closed session to discuss these issues with the city attorney and that ever happened.

991
01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:45,210
There was just phone calls that went around, right?

992
01:28:47,890 --> 01:28:50,810
That's skirted the whole deliberative process, right?

993
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:53,230
We didn't get an opportunity to agree with your disagree on things.

994
01:28:53,690 --> 01:28:54,750
We should have been able to do that.

995
01:28:58,370 --> 01:29:06,190
So next, you know, it talks about the charter being able to address the sort of behavior

996
01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:06,770
misconduct.

997
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:11,170
So what definition of disorderly behavior are we using here?

998
01:29:12,730 --> 01:29:16,330
What definition of misconduct are we using here?

999
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:19,750
Where are we getting those definitions from?

1000
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:22,070
You know,

1001
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,620
if the government is going to do things, we're just going to make claims, right?

1002
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:35,140
And Chris made his statement about legislative versus executive, right?

1003
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:45,600
Well, probably should get the legislative part, you know, to the point where we know

1004
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:49,740
what it's saying or where it's coming from, because we run into a lot of issues going into

1005
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:53,760
and the

1006
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,980
next question that I have is,

1007
01:30:03,180 --> 01:30:08,700
You go to paragraph 9 on page 3,

1008
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:17,730
whereas, while the legality of the grievances outlined in this resolution, may or may not be unlawful.

1009
01:30:17,950 --> 01:30:22,230
They, among others, have been a further detriment to the public trust and reputation of the city-lines.

1010
01:30:22,230 --> 01:30:23,990
in this council, right?

1011
01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:31,130
I think we talked about this, recording a phone calls, one participants totally legal,

1012
01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:32,930
It's not a moral.

1013
01:30:34,570 --> 01:30:35,010
So,

1014
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:39,820
we have that recorded phone call.

1015
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:46,890
Mr. Friedman never asserted, it's any client-pages in that call, right?

1016
01:30:48,610 --> 01:30:53,170
So, in addition to that, when we look at,

1017
01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:07,040
This is where, as without authorization from a majority vote of the Council on July 9th,

1018
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,120
Cardinal News reported that Council and Helges and Admissions provided a copy of that

1019
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:14,280
same email stating the body, text with a DACA except for a portion of a sentence.

1020
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:19,440
So,

1021
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:27,080
what I'm trying to figure out is assuming that the allegation is that a majority

1022
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:33,080
vote of the Council not taking place, we couldn't release it, that's a question that I have.

1023
01:31:38,260 --> 01:31:42,000
The attorney doesn't invoke the privilege, the client invokes the privilege.

1024
01:31:48,990 --> 01:31:53,170
So, was it waived when Mayor Reed said, but she said on the radio?

1025
01:31:55,820 --> 01:32:01,500
Was it waived when Mr. Friedman said what he said on the dice?

1026
01:32:03,070 --> 01:32:04,210
So,

1027
01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:10,380
you know,

1028
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:13,650
find that interesting.

1029
01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:20,380
So

1030
01:32:23,970 --> 01:32:26,090
something else too,

1031
01:32:35,130 --> 01:32:35,890
that's

1032
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,760
come across on here,

1033
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:50,940
takes it right back down to the fact finding why does this

1034
01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:55,250
Council majority seem so uninterested, they're willing to

1035
01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:02,300
exercise the power to do this with less than 24 hours

1036
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:10,980
notice. Okay? Less than 24 hours notice on this resolution, and they're willing to exercise

1037
01:33:10,980 --> 01:33:12,620
the power to do this.

1038
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:26,000
Not willing to exercise our ability to fact-find, subpoenas for documents,

1039
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:27,340
subpoenas for testimony.

1040
01:33:29,540 --> 01:33:30,500
Let's see where it goes.

1041
01:33:34,630 --> 01:33:35,610
I'd love to see where it goes.

1042
01:33:39,810 --> 01:33:40,090
I'm

1043
01:33:40,090 --> 01:33:44,810
things that Mr. Freedman said over and over and over and about Mr. Hell was in, in myself.

1044
01:33:45,290 --> 01:33:45,910
We're not attorneys.

1045
01:33:47,970 --> 01:33:50,850
Neither is Chris for all day. Neither is Stephanie Reed,

1046
01:33:53,170 --> 01:33:53,710
but there

1047
01:33:53,710 --> 01:33:59,830
are the ones asserting that privilege wasn't waived. They aren't attorneys,

1048
01:34:03,450 --> 01:34:08,090
right? So why is it?

1049
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:16,490
whatever we say something, that's the response we get, and then on the other side of that,

1050
01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:18,630
while Mr. Freeman has made those claims.

1051
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:29,190
I also would say that we do have the ability

1052
01:34:29,190 --> 01:34:35,230
to interpret laws, because it's very clear that legislative bodies we make laws have the ability

1053
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:42,250
to interpret them. This is a mess when it comes to interpretation.

1054
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:54,660
You know, Christopher Aldi said, just a moment ago,

1055
01:34:59,980 --> 01:35:02,240
Councilman Halvesson admissions a green writing to attend a type of

1056
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,420
newly effective elective official training with a reputable

1057
01:35:04,420 --> 01:35:06,720
Virginia association within three months of adoption of its

1058
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,520
resolution, such as the ML emerging for cities, the fines

1059
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:14,320
above will be avoided. He said it can be anything, anything.

1060
01:35:17,380 --> 01:35:24,340
This doesn't say it can be anything, so it has to be a type of duty effect like the official training with a reputable Virginia association, right?

1061
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:29,580
So arbitrarily you just change it.

1062
01:35:38,740 --> 01:35:45,020
So, you know, again, I find that interesting.

1063
01:35:50,780 --> 01:35:51,380
What

1064
01:35:58,390 --> 01:36:04,390
we have here is very simple, you know,

1065
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:13,860
it's politics, this is purely political, and

1066
01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:18,040
it has nothing to do with politics, nothing.

1067
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:29,920
Politics are good for ratings for the news, Mr. Taylor mentioned that earlier, as on

1068
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:30,900
WL and I this morning,

1069
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:35,140
they love it.

1070
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:42,360
They love it. I'm tired of it.

1071
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:42,800
Um,

1072
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:48,030
you know,

1073
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:55,730
if we exercised our ability to find facts around here, right?

1074
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:58,110
If we actually investigated,

1075
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,340
I think a lot of people would be shocked

1076
01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:08,480
what would come up in discovery,

1077
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:10,860
Depositions,

1078
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:13,520
testimony,

1079
01:37:16,350 --> 01:37:17,130
you know.

1080
01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:23,040
It's easy for me to come up here and say what I say every time I'm here because I don't

1081
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:23,560
lie.

1082
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:24,940
I'm not a liar.

1083
01:37:24,980 --> 01:37:25,880
I've never been.

1084
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:30,540
The mayor called me a liar, mom, and I go, I'll forgive her for that.

1085
01:37:30,620 --> 01:37:32,240
She does it all the time.

1086
01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:37,300
On January 9th of this year, I'm sitting right up here between a work session and a meeting.

1087
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:40,660
She told me how important it was

1088
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:47,250
to get together with a third party mediator, we were

1089
01:37:47,250 --> 01:37:55,810
trying to work with the Barry the Hatch, and Jane, we're not. I challenge her to tell me I'm

1090
01:37:55,810 --> 01:38:00,530
lying because I can prove it. She said

1091
01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:09,440
it. It's now August. There's phone calls. There's

1092
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,620
text messages. There's emails.

1093
01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:19,370
There's no interest in burger in the hatchet.

1094
01:38:21,820 --> 01:38:23,680
None. It hasn't

1095
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:24,480
You

1096
01:38:27,550 --> 01:38:30,810
know, notice I asked her earlier. What lie?

1097
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:34,150
She's not going to respond.

1098
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:42,610
But on January 9th, she told me she was going to do something, and I can prove it.

1099
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:44,570
And it hasn't happened.

1100
01:38:46,630 --> 01:38:52,530
And it's because for nearly a year, I've been trying to bury the hatchet.

1101
01:38:53,530 --> 01:38:58,150
But if the hatchet was buried, wouldn't be good for ratings.

1102
01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:13,420
So I would hope we consider the legal and ethical implications of this resolution to really

1103
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:16,360
bad luck for us to

1104
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:26,730
borrow Councilman Helderson and myself from

1105
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,260
into a race performance evaluations.

1106
01:39:33,260 --> 01:39:34,100
I

1107
01:39:37,010 --> 01:39:38,850
mean, it raised performance evaluations.

1108
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:41,370
I guess the upside of erasing the performance evaluations

1109
01:39:41,370 --> 01:39:43,530
is that there are no longer personnel records,

1110
01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:47,430
no longer public records, because they're just,

1111
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:50,130
so I guess I could just release them to the public, my questions.

1112
01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:57,530
But, I'll have to get some consultation on that.

1113
01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:04,490
But, you know, this is just really just a really bad precedent.

1114
01:40:04,490 --> 01:40:09,990
be racing, formance evaluations, and saying we can't have a say, and you know what, it's

1115
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:10,370
interesting.

1116
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:22,740
I didn't think that we were supposed to talk about what happened in close session,

1117
01:40:24,940 --> 01:40:25,000
but

1118
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,860
Vice Mayor Feraldi, just it.

1119
01:40:35,070 --> 01:40:37,930
I didn't think we were supposed to talk about what happened in close session, but Vice Mayor

1120
01:40:37,930 --> 01:40:50,630
Feraldi, just then, and because of that, I can't address or counter his plane because we're

1121
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:26,080
I'm just looking forward to the next session.

1122
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:29,780
Again, I just continued prayer for our community as a constant

1123
01:41:29,780 --> 01:41:30,500
and tailor.

1124
01:41:30,820 --> 01:41:33,720
And doing with indicating, we have received so many comments

1125
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:40,900
from all over the country about the cast in the

1126
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:45,760
I mean, a dysfunctional unit, and it hurts my heart to see, especially if you're from

1127
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,720
Lynchburg, as you love our community.

1128
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:51,220
I mean, someone just texted me and said, I live in the city, because they just saw him bare,

1129
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:52,240
so what's going on?

1130
01:41:53,620 --> 01:41:59,380
This is just, this is just, this is really sad to see people who, who, who have so many challenges

1131
01:41:59,380 --> 01:42:06,260
and so many, just functions and can't get along, and they all love Jesus, and they just

1132
01:42:06,260 --> 01:42:12,260
said to see this happen, I support the motion, because again, I'm going to get back to some

1133
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:18,140
enormous as possible, and again, be much remember, I was in favor of someone doing evaluation

1134
01:42:18,140 --> 01:42:24,820
on an attorney who you're currently suing, so that should not be permitted in the first place.

1135
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:30,460
But again, I was not voters that vote them in, so again, that's, again, I still don't think

1136
01:42:30,460 --> 01:42:35,420
that's appropriate to be having someone doing an evaluation on someone you're currently suing,

1137
01:42:35,420 --> 01:42:42,100
press another case. I do support the motion. I think we need to get back to, I'm praying

1138
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:46,420
that we can get back to some normacy. I'm praying that we can get back to working for our

1139
01:42:46,420 --> 01:42:52,020
citizens. I'm praying because they focus on the issues that really affect our city and that

1140
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:57,520
all the other issues that I've just beyond our realm of what we can do focus on the city and

1141
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,400
making this for a great place to live or can play. Thank you.

1142
01:43:06,380 --> 01:43:06,680
Council.

1143
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:08,360
Thank you.

1144
01:43:08,700 --> 01:43:14,820
You know, it's, I think the last resolution or the last motion was pretty straightforward.

1145
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:21,360
The matter of due process, you know, I know the city attorney said, oh, we're having

1146
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:28,180
our due process by speaking, though we're not, had less than a day, you know, half a day

1147
01:43:28,180 --> 01:43:31,360
to kind of review this resolution.

1148
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:42,060
had no ability to talk to legal counsel, and it's just a shame that you're going to say we're

1149
01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:49,460
going to, the folks that are up here sworn to uphold the Constitution, uphold the fact

1150
01:43:49,460 --> 01:43:55,380
of citizens' rights, the whole the fact of the due process where you can actually present

1151
01:43:55,380 --> 01:44:00,120
your case, you can have time to actually come up with a good argument.

1152
01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:09,240
You know, I can appreciate the angst up here, you know, some folks they can hold

1153
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:10,580
man this is going on too long.

1154
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:18,540
Well, the issue is if we were to just say, yes, we will defer this, where we can actually

1155
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:19,200
present.

1156
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,940
But we're kind of in a catch-to-one, too.

1157
01:44:22,540 --> 01:44:29,880
Well, hoping that we can actually defer this motion to where we can actually fulfill our

1158
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:36,320
due process, where we can actually meet with legal counsel, where we can actually see this

1159
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:44,180
resolution and come up with a presentation and a vigorous response to it by more than just

1160
01:44:44,180 --> 01:44:50,980
few hours. We would be just talking about where we could actually do that and we could

1161
01:44:50,980 --> 01:44:55,740
look at lots of these items that are in this resolution that are that are really

1162
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:59,860
factually incorrect. These things are.

1163
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,070
Or just vindictive. I mean, it's almost, you know, some of the comical, and some of

1164
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:15,610
they says, oh, we want you to apologize. But we're going to take somebody who is head in my mind,

1165
01:45:15,630 --> 01:45:22,390
I guess an impeccable record of 20 years, and say, oh, well, you are going to go to the

1166
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:29,670
back of the bus, like that matters. I've heard on the radio, the attacks that, oh, Jeff only

1167
01:45:29,670 --> 01:45:34,010
wants to be mayor, or only wants this, or is misogynistic,

1168
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:37,610
or he's sexist, or he's racist, or all of these things.

1169
01:45:37,770 --> 01:45:39,130
It's never responded in that.

1170
01:45:39,410 --> 01:45:40,110
Because why?

1171
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:41,070
It's foolishness.

1172
01:45:42,090 --> 01:45:43,070
I don't respond to it.

1173
01:45:43,070 --> 01:45:45,050
I don't say, oh, no, no, I'm not.

1174
01:45:45,490 --> 01:45:47,470
I don't say that I called you a naughty word,

1175
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:49,710
like you had suggested for so long.

1176
01:45:50,770 --> 01:45:56,210
I don't do these kind of things because it's not good for the city.

1177
01:45:56,210 --> 01:46:01,050
And sadly, today hasn't been about coming together.

1178
01:46:02,130 --> 01:46:05,510
Today has been about inframing one side.

1179
01:46:05,570 --> 01:46:08,050
You know, we have some folks that are like, yeah,

1180
01:46:08,290 --> 01:46:08,750
I'll let you on.

1181
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:11,570
Another side that says, no, you know,

1182
01:46:11,670 --> 01:46:12,630
and I just,

1183
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,320
it is pretty appalling.

1184
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,380
But it happens and you can do what you want.

1185
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:27,000
You know, I would hope that there would be still some sanity that said,

1186
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:33,060
know we got to pull some of these things because this isn't due process. This isn't and I'm not

1187
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:38,580
saying this is I have been able to present a case. I haven't been able to meet with attorneys.

1188
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:43,780
I haven't been able to actually go through these items. I got it last night and now to come forward

1189
01:46:43,780 --> 01:46:49,400
the very few hours later to kind of come up with some kind of response. I don't think it's proven.

1190
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:56,020
You know, the issue is, this is good. We're going to just take it and stomach it.

1191
01:46:57,420 --> 01:46:59,360
Or is it going to go to another level?

1192
01:46:59,980 --> 01:47:03,580
I mean, there's a little waste, you know?

1193
01:47:03,740 --> 01:47:05,040
What a waste of time.

1194
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:09,720
But I mean, when you throw out things that are just rotten,

1195
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:14,320
and factually incorrect, you just sit there and take it.

1196
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:16,240
You know, we tried earlier.

1197
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,760
All right, tried earlier, and I appreciate Council Member Taylor saying,

1198
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,220
yeah, I mean, where there is real apologies.

1199
01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:22,620
That was heartfelt.

1200
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:24,900
And I appreciate Chris saying that, you know,

1201
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:25,640
was genuine.

1202
01:47:26,860 --> 01:47:27,600
Why not genuine?

1203
01:47:28,420 --> 01:47:29,920
I've been genuine for 20 years.

1204
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,340
I haven't done things for my prestige or my power if I would.

1205
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,380
I certainly wouldn't be sitting behind this dyes.

1206
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,900
Spend lots of time for no money, no benefits, no anything.

1207
01:47:42,900 --> 01:47:45,600
I've been in the minority for almost 20 years.

1208
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:50,020
And we finally get Republicans and I'm in the worst minority.

1209
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:55,640
I said, you know, Council Member Taylor said it correctly.

1210
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,880
We should do this prudently.

1211
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:00,220
We shouldn't just attack people publicly.

1212
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:02,360
We should give due process.

1213
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:05,520
It's just,

1214
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:14,230
with throughout these allegations, we heard it, oh, well, did defamed or lies or,

1215
01:48:14,230 --> 01:48:14,710
well, what?

1216
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:15,950
Nothing.

1217
01:48:16,750 --> 01:48:19,190
When the question was asked, well, where was the defamation?

1218
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:20,170
Where were the lies?

1219
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:21,010
Nothing.

1220
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:29,250
So I appreciated what Abraham Lincoln said a long time ago, basically I paraphrase it, that

1221
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:32,030
he said no man is smart enough to remember all his lies.

1222
01:48:33,570 --> 01:48:35,590
So you tell the truth all the time.

1223
01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:41,530
And so with that, I've been stating the truth for the last 20 years.

1224
01:48:41,550 --> 01:48:45,090
I say the same thing that I say in private, as I do in public.

1225
01:48:46,170 --> 01:48:50,790
When I first ran 20 years ago, I said, I'm going to look out for the taxpayers wallet.

1226
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:56,250
I'm going to fight for the citizens, they have the citizens or the city live within its means, that's what I've done.

1227
01:48:56,990 --> 01:49:00,730
I recognize this, you know, kind of thing as maybe a little more theater.

1228
01:49:01,750 --> 01:49:10,510
I don't think it's a good, you know, it's almost like a public lynching just because you don't like somebody and maybe you can find something.

1229
01:49:11,110 --> 01:49:17,390
But lots of these items, when you look at the fact of due process, there has not been any due process.

1230
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:20,330
I'm having to do this at the top of my head.

1231
01:49:20,890 --> 01:49:22,910
Our city attorney has repeatedly said, I'm not an attorney.

1232
01:49:23,050 --> 01:49:25,890
Do you think I've been able to get with an attorney

1233
01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:28,070
before being presented this today?

1234
01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:32,490
So the question is, Council Member Helgison,

1235
01:49:32,650 --> 01:49:36,630
is whether due process and a legislative center session

1236
01:49:36,630 --> 01:49:40,010
would entitle you to write to Council constitutionally.

1237
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:41,410
And I don't think it would, sir.

1238
01:49:41,850 --> 01:49:45,470
I think whether what I think is,

1239
01:49:45,470 --> 01:49:47,890
but we can evaluate it for performance.

1240
01:49:48,430 --> 01:49:53,350
What I think is, is whether you are having an opportunity

1241
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:56,050
to respond to what's been presented to you.

1242
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:56,570
Yeah.

1243
01:49:56,650 --> 01:49:58,290
And can you answer that?

1244
01:49:58,290 --> 01:50:00,750
And there's your opportunity now to respond.

1245
01:50:00,810 --> 01:50:04,190
I'm having an opportunity to respond, but it's very short time

1246
01:50:04,190 --> 01:50:04,510
frame.

1247
01:50:04,810 --> 01:50:08,310
We just now have the ability with the combined seven people,

1248
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:09,930
30 minutes maximum.

1249
01:50:10,850 --> 01:50:13,550
I just got this last night within several hours.

1250
01:50:13,550 --> 01:50:20,230
we should be going line by line of what is factual and what is not, and I don't believe,

1251
01:50:20,490 --> 01:50:27,610
especially when in here there are fines and seizing of people's property in this resolution,

1252
01:50:28,510 --> 01:50:31,610
that says we're going to find you, we're going to do whatever.

1253
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:37,930
I recognize it's different, but my goodness, there is, I don't think the Constitution stops

1254
01:50:37,930 --> 01:50:40,910
want to walk into that council chamber.

1255
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:53,730
Our citizens' rights aren't stopped just because they're in here.

1256
01:50:53,950 --> 01:50:58,750
We have the right, the first amendment, which was tried to be stopped by kicking out the

1257
01:50:58,750 --> 01:51:00,190
right to the press.

1258
01:51:01,270 --> 01:51:04,850
They're the rights of the citizens, and that same first amendment was trying to be stopped

1259
01:51:04,850 --> 01:51:11,510
by the rights of the citizens to peaceably assemble, told to get out the rights of citizens.

1260
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:19,230
Councilmember Missions and I, to publicly have our free speech by saying what we think is very critical and open.

1261
01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:28,510
Now, I don't know what other kind of apologies are needed, but this resolution isn't any good.

1262
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:35,950
That's why I suggested we table it so we can actually talk privately, whether we can talk publicly.

1263
01:51:35,950 --> 01:51:49,790
We've given apologies apparently that isn't good enough because somebody will apologize for something only to say, well, I don't appreciate it or I don't like it.

1264
01:51:50,430 --> 01:52:01,790
Well, I am very, you know, I heard an apology by the mayor not long ago that she apologized that the citizens had to witness her disorderly disrupted behavior.

1265
01:52:01,790 --> 01:52:04,810
She didn't say about her, she said it was about us.

1266
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:09,010
We were sitting there, and we heard screaming going on up there.

1267
01:52:09,010 --> 01:52:15,250
We heard chanting going on the back, and we just sitting there giving a professional presentation

1268
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:17,190
regardless of heckling.

1269
01:52:17,390 --> 01:52:22,390
But then the apology wasn't for somebody's disorderly bad behavior.

1270
01:52:24,350 --> 01:52:28,790
The apology was for us for what we did.

1271
01:52:29,650 --> 01:52:33,670
So, I hope you will accept this apology that I gave earlier.

1272
01:52:33,970 --> 01:52:36,110
I hope you will vote down this resolution.

1273
01:52:36,630 --> 01:52:38,790
I hope that you will actually say,

1274
01:52:39,330 --> 01:52:43,590
do processes critical protecting citizens rights are critical.

1275
01:52:44,190 --> 01:52:51,530
I hope that you will ask for forgiveness that you will actually work together for the good of the citizens.

1276
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:54,910
not just for your aggrandizement.

1277
01:52:55,750 --> 01:53:00,790
I know some folks may have had PTSD from discussion of this.

1278
01:53:01,190 --> 01:53:03,250
It shouldn't have been a two minute discussion.

1279
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:05,970
It should have been a fact that we can just say,

1280
01:53:06,270 --> 01:53:07,850
yeah, we're not bringing it up.

1281
01:53:08,230 --> 01:53:09,470
We're going to talk privately.

1282
01:53:10,270 --> 01:53:12,070
We're going to give people due process.

1283
01:53:12,370 --> 01:53:18,310
I do hope that you will vote this down in the spirit of and bear in mind.

1284
01:53:18,730 --> 01:53:20,230
That even if you vote this down,

1285
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:22,190
things are changing.

1286
01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:28,790
If you vote for it, you got to live with your conscience, vote it

1287
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:35,490
down and I can vow to you that we are going to be working towards peace and harmony over

1288
01:53:35,490 --> 01:53:43,570
this rest of this session and I hope you will vote it down today and when we will still move

1289
01:53:43,570 --> 01:53:50,130
on and it won't be lost as the mayor and vice mayor has said what we want to teach a lesson.

1290
01:53:52,130 --> 01:53:58,630
It's almost watching like the Game of Thrones, where a public shaming, you know, maybe I should

1291
01:53:58,630 --> 01:54:03,890
take out my shirt and put blood all over me and walk out and hit myself with the, so

1292
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:04,230
anyway.

1293
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:05,790
Hopefully that's done.

1294
01:54:06,250 --> 01:54:10,850
Hopefully you'll vote against this resolution, and I will pledge to you that I will be

1295
01:54:10,850 --> 01:54:16,610
working as Council Member Taylor said in the spirit of cooperation and the spirit of openness,

1296
01:54:16,610 --> 01:54:22,530
the spirit of coming together collegially for the benefit of the city.

1297
01:54:22,990 --> 01:54:26,930
Like I think I have done for the last 20 years, so please vote against this resolution.

1298
01:54:27,310 --> 01:54:27,610
Thank you.

1299
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,200
All right, we'll go ahead and vote on the original motion.

1300
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:41,500
Councilmember Dolan?

1301
01:54:41,980 --> 01:54:42,280
Yes.

1302
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:43,300
Councilmember Hegelson?

1303
01:54:43,580 --> 01:54:43,880
No.

1304
01:54:44,100 --> 01:54:44,840
Councilmember Missions?

1305
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:45,260
No.

1306
01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:46,540
Councilmember Taylor?

1307
01:54:47,260 --> 01:54:47,480
No.

1308
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:49,300
Councilmember Wilder?

1309
01:54:49,380 --> 01:54:49,780
Yes.

1310
01:54:50,420 --> 01:54:51,060
Vice Mayor Frolting?

1311
01:54:51,260 --> 01:54:51,540
Yes.

1312
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:52,520
Mayor Reed?

1313
01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:53,100
Yes.

1314
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:54,160
The motion passes.

1315
01:55:01,580 --> 01:55:05,980
Okay, this reading is adjourned, we will be reconvened for a clock for a work session, thank you.