1
00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:24,280
Welcome to our September 23rd, 2020, city council meeting. Please stand for invocation by

2
00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,860
Mr. Plansom Info-Rodie, followed by the pledge.

3
00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:45,040
I went to reflect on where this country is over the last couple of weeks, and then I'll be

4
00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:45,760
to center prayer.

5
00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,690
Father God, I come to you asking for wisdom, for guidance,

6
00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:07,350
and for our heart seeking your face. Be with us this evening as we serve

7
00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:10,790
of your people and help us to remember that they are your people.

8
00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:16,880
Thank you so much for the opportunity to serve and call into our call.

9
00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:18,340
In Jesus' name, amen.

10
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,140
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic of

11
00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:26,580
Korea.

12
00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,900
The President has divided into four sections, consent agenda, public hearing, public comment

13
00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:47,760
and general business.

14
00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:57,170
Mr. Mr. Solution, we've got everyone here, we've just gone to our roll call now, and

15
00:04:57,170 --> 00:05:00,070
and then come back to the agenda.

16
00:05:01,870 --> 00:05:06,470
To clarify, I think there was an issue with broadcasting for roll call, so that was not able

17
00:05:06,470 --> 00:05:10,550
to be broadcast, and so the mayor is suggesting that you all do roll call when it's more

18
00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:11,610
here in the formal setting.

19
00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:15,620
Mr. Prorod.

20
00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,360
I think I'll also be in the record that I don't need to say it again.

21
00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,920
There's pep people see it just to see it.

22
00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,660
Thank you.

23
00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:30,320
So, councilors, we're always have a lot of great things about our city and all wonderful things

24
00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,480
that happened this last week.

25
00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:41,820
So it isn't the record, but I would like to share that while there's so much to celebrate

26
00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:47,840
about our city and our wonderful people and our citizens, there's been a lot of sadness around

27
00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:52,340
our country over the last few weeks as well and we all know what I'm referring to.

28
00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:59,060
So what's been on my heart is I would love to see our community and our citizens come together

29
00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:10,300
and find a way to work better together and unify and put differences aside and just work better

30
00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:13,460
together because things can get accomplished so much better when we do that.

31
00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:16,200
So that's what I'm calling on all of us to do.

32
00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:18,260
So that's my question.

33
00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,020
Yeah, so I'm really quick.

34
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,520
I'm going to give you a lot of great things happening on the community this weekend at Diamond

35
00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:23,760
Hill.

36
00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,580
the University Day for our community, which is amazing, also a part of peer street.

37
00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,340
I'm pissed you have such a rich history like community.

38
00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:32,400
So it was a glad for that.

39
00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,740
I also get art festival.

40
00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:36,480
It is the last of the annual art show.

41
00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:37,960
That was wonderful.

42
00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:39,680
Some gifts to artists are in our community.

43
00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:40,960
Those for the running counties.

44
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,020
Those are the main events that are going on.

45
00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:43,760
Thank you.

46
00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:44,640
Mr.

47
00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:45,100
Oh.

48
00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:46,720
Mr. Mayor.

49
00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:52,060
And thank you, Mr. Ann Benson, for your help.

50
00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:57,140
In role call today, I'm played a video in honor of Mr. Charlie Kirk.

51
00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,320
It is his light-wife, Erica, and her call to respond with love.

52
00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,980
And I was, if we could play that again and follow it with a moment of silence.

53
00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,580
I appreciate that. Thank you, Ms. Rath.

54
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,980
I'll just speak briefly to Ms. Rath.

55
00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,800
Okay.

56
00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:51,800
I greatly appreciate the boldness and courage that Erica has continued in her own faith,

57
00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:59,680
but also in honor of her husband, Charlie Kirk, and the boldness with which she responds in

58
00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,060
the midst of division in our nation that we are to respond to to hate with love and not

59
00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:10,660
respond with hate, but rather in the opposite spirit, and I think that that is something that

60
00:08:10,660 --> 00:08:17,720
we should all be able to rally behind, regardless of faith. I believe that faith is

61
00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,220
significant, but regardless of faith, that is a truth that we should be able to acknowledge

62
00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:29,840
and embrace. So I greatly appreciate her leadership. I greatly appreciate her testimony, and

63
00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:36,060
I appreciate their boldness and courage and open dialogue to invite people of differing opinions

64
00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:38,000
and viewpoints into conversation.

65
00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,480
And I believe that's what our nation was built on.

66
00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,120
And so in honoring her and honoring Charlie's legacy, I do ask that again, we would just

67
00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,920
take a moment of silence and pray for this nation.

68
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,880
And the nation that he loved and the nation that I love, I hope we all love.

69
00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,140
So thank you, Mr. Mayor.

70
00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,460
Well, let us out, let's please.

71
00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,320
Thank you.

72
00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:09,940
Listen, the mission.

73
00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,060
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

74
00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:20,870
Sometimes a short period of time can pass,

75
00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:23,250
like the last two weeks since our previous meeting.

76
00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:29,890
But it feels like it was years or maybe even a decade, right?

77
00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:33,430
And that's kind of how I feel with the last two weeks,

78
00:09:33,530 --> 00:09:35,370
the things that have happened.

79
00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:38,010
On the national stage.

80
00:09:39,310 --> 00:09:44,730
Charlie Kirk was killed for his outspoken faith, his profession of Jesus Christ and his passion

81
00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:46,790
for meeting full and spirited debate.

82
00:09:48,570 --> 00:09:53,070
All driven by his commitment to exercising and preserving our most sacred right, the right

83
00:09:53,070 --> 00:09:57,810
to free speech and expression which has been endowed by our creative.

84
00:10:03,380 --> 00:10:05,380
Mr. Kirk was no stranger to Lynchburg.

85
00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:10,580
He played a foundational role in establishing the Fall Kirk Center at Liberty University, which

86
00:10:10,580 --> 00:10:15,080
now known as the Standing for Freedom Center, and he earned an honorary doctor from Liberty

87
00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,700
as well.

88
00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,480
Liberty also hosts the nation's largest collegiate chapter of Turning Point USA.

89
00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:23,440
The organization founded by Charlie Kirk.

90
00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:27,620
Their mission is to identify, train, and organize students to promote the principles of

91
00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:30,500
fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government.

92
00:10:31,660 --> 00:10:37,260
The size of Liberty's Turning Point USA chapter, alone, underscores the enduring influence

93
00:10:37,940 --> 00:10:44,640
The Charlie Kirk has had on our students faculty and staff who are an important part of our community.

94
00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:50,080
Charlie Kirk inspired millions of young Americans to get involved in shaping the future of our nation,

95
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,820
making their voices heard by exercising their first amendment rates and participating in robust,

96
00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:57,480
often spirited debate.

97
00:10:58,860 --> 00:11:03,260
Most of all, Charlie was a man of strong faith in conviction in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

98
00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:08,220
And he was unapologetic about professing the gospel of Christ.

99
00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:12,420
The Jesus was sent here on a rescue mission for our souls to be brutally crucified on a cross.

100
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120
Four our sins and to overcome death through his resurrection.

101
00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,080
Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins so we don't have to.

102
00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:27,440
As long as we turn from our sin and repent, accept God's gifts of salvation and allow the Holy Spirit to enter our lives.

103
00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:32,980
Charlie Kirk died as a martyr to the Christian faith.

104
00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:34,840
In closing,

105
00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,820
I really want to thank our Parks and Rec director, Wyatt Wooddy, who was

106
00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:48,620
instrumental in helping the Liberty University chapter of Turning Point, USA, we were able

107
00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:56,700
to get city stadium booked for a memorial service this Sunday from 7 to 9 p.m. for the

108
00:11:56,700 --> 00:12:01,040
entire community, open to the public, it'll be September 28th from 7 to 9 p.m.

109
00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,660
and I just

110
00:12:04,660 --> 00:12:11,100
I can't say how thankful I am of why I would be for stepping in and being able to get that done so quickly.

111
00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,480
It was an honor to be able to serve these students and help facilitate this process.

112
00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:26,420
And I'm extremely thankful that they want to join members of our community to pray for our nation and remember the life of Charlie Kirk, who had a profound impact on our nation and our community.

113
00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:27,720
Thank you.

114
00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:33,820
I would be remiss as well if not Mr.

115
00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:42,580
Kirk's assassination, political assassinations change history.

116
00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:49,140
What always happens is when you try to silence somebody, you only amplify their voices,

117
00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,600
and Mr. Kirk's voice has been amplified a million fold.

118
00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:58,580
more people know of him now and know what he talked about and they know that he talked about his

119
00:12:58,580 --> 00:13:05,380
saver, his Lord, and Jesus Christ. He was asked what he wanted to be remembered for when he

120
00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:11,160
died and he was very clear, he answered pretty quickly. He said that he wanted to be remembered

121
00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:20,240
for his courage, for his faith. And I want to be remembered that way. As I mentioned earlier,

122
00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:28,160
I'm sorry we're having to be redundant, but I'll say it because the video didn't work and I'm sorry that that video didn't work.

123
00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:36,900
I'm very sad that that video didn't work because Erica said something that touched me deeply and I struggled with even hearing.

124
00:13:37,540 --> 00:13:46,340
Okay, just to be honest, brutally honest. She forgave the man who assassinated her husband in that video.

125
00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:52,320
an amazing example of grace and forgiveness.

126
00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:58,220
I'm not sure I'm capable of, probably not, but I want to be.

127
00:13:58,420 --> 00:13:59,460
And she, she meant it.

128
00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:00,040
It was clear.

129
00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,220
But that example is the example of the Christ set forth as well.

130
00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:07,640
And she was following her Savior.

131
00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,700
And Charlie Kirk was following his, and I want to follow Jesus Christ.

132
00:14:12,820 --> 00:14:16,020
And I would encourage every member of the Lynchburg community.

133
00:14:16,020 --> 00:14:21,140
out of respect, even, and just to learn something maybe, but to just come out to the

134
00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:27,700
vigil, Sunday night, so open to the public, you're welcome, everybody, from all parts

135
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:31,180
of the city, all sections of the city is welcome to come.

136
00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:38,080
And if nothing else celebrate, free speech, and be with those kids up at Liberty, who all

137
00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:44,400
knew Charlie on a first name basis, and met him, and had been mentored by him, and were loved

138
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:50,940
by that man. He gave his life for the youth of America and the world, and he will be remembered as such.

139
00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:59,960
So, come on out. You might find out that, you know, you don't have to write, you don't have to protest, you don't have to...

140
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,140
Make light of someone's death. You can, in respect and civility, honor a man who gave his life, fighting

141
00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:16,640
for what he believed in and was effective. And that's why they killed him. But he will be more

142
00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:25,140
effective in his death than he was in his life. That is the way of history. I want to, also, I

143
00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:28,280
would be remiss if I didn't honor this guy.

144
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,300
Mr. Steve Dunne, superintendent of the Lynchburg Regional

145
00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:35,900
Water Resource Recovery Facility, because he was awarded the William D.

146
00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:40,020
fat-filled award for outstanding performance and professionalism

147
00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:42,700
in the operation of a wastewater treatment plant.

148
00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:47,180
He basically got this statewide honor at the Virginia Water

149
00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:51,120
Environment Association Awards luncheon recently, September 10th,

150
00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:54,600
and Virginia Beach, one of our own, and we should be proud of him.

151
00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,400
I've met him. He's not the Steve Dunn, the lawyer. That's the first thing you told me.

152
00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:12,700
I knew that. He's the Steve Dunn who threw his efforts, helped result in a cleaner and a more sustainable environment for the citizens of Lynchburg and a cleaner river for us.

153
00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:15,440
And especially the people downstream that I've mentioned.

154
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:23,940
Also, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Miss Sarah, who is accepted a new role from the clerk's office.

155
00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:32,560
She'll be moving to be the assistant director of HR in the city of Lunchberg, a new role that closely aligns with her personal and career goals.

156
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,500
I'm going to miss you, but we want to congratulate you in the new role and we wish you nothing but the best Sarah.

157
00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,940
So let's have a hand for Sarah.

158
00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:47,250
Thank you all.

159
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:49,950
Now we'll continue with the consent agenda.

160
00:16:49,950 --> 00:16:54,310
The first section is the consent agenda includes routine items that can be approved with one vote.

161
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:58,910
Mr.

162
00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:08,170
Mr. Mayor, I'm objecting to the consent agenda, so it has to be pulled by the rules of procedure.

163
00:17:12,570 --> 00:17:15,950
You are objecting to the consent agenda again.

164
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:18,930
Upon a quest for council member and I shall be moved for the consent agenda.

165
00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:21,910
The item shall be considered separately after adoption of the consent agenda.

166
00:17:21,950 --> 00:17:24,790
I'm objecting to the entire consent agenda.

167
00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:31,190
So, Section 5 to D, the Foreign Quest for Council Member, and I'm sure I've been here

168
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:33,490
from the consent agenda of objecting to the entire consent agenda.

169
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:35,230
May I?

170
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:36,270
Mr. Farrow.

171
00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:39,450
I just make a little slower so I can understand.

172
00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:41,230
Thank you.

173
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:43,540
That's all.

174
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,320
I speak a little.

175
00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:45,520
No, no, no.

176
00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:47,920
You want to repeat yourself, Mr.

177
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:53,060
Section 5 to D, of our rules of procedures, as a panel of quest of accounts,

178
00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,080
a member and item shall be removed from the consent agenda.

179
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,420
The item shall be considered separately after adoption of the consent agenda.

180
00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:04,060
So what I'm saying is, I am objecting to the entire consent agenda as a block.

181
00:18:04,340 --> 00:18:04,860
We do.

182
00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:08,610
It's going to be seven.

183
00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:09,470
It would be on consent.

184
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:10,310
Okay.

185
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:17,790
I know that we would all five items from the consent agenda to gender basis, and that we discuss

186
00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:18,490
them all tonight.

187
00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:26,990
I will second that motion, and I will second that motion, and if you're okay with this kind

188
00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:29,450
amendment that would you move to the end of general business or you get with that

189
00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:32,330
council member. No, I would like it the beginning, please.

190
00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:38,700
We're getting another consent agenda. We're getting your general business.

191
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,080
The beginning of general business. General business. I'm satisfied with that too.

192
00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:43,700
Is that what you said? It's fine.

193
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,740
That'll work. I'm good with that. So I'll second. I'll second the motion.

194
00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:48,560
Okay. Thank you.

195
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:49,920
I'll be discussion.

196
00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:52,360
I'm going to change that now.

197
00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:29,040
Motion passes. 6-1.

198
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,000
All right. Moving on to public hearings. The next session is public hearings.

199
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,540
These require by law direct to buy council, procedure.

200
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,080
Staff will give a presentation, the public can give comments.

201
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,080
Individuals have three minutes to speak,

202
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,920
is speaking for a group you have five.

203
00:19:46,380 --> 00:19:47,900
Group seekers must say which group they're present,

204
00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:49,200
each group gets one spokesperson.

205
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,880
Each speaker must say their name and loyalty of residents.

206
00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,020
After public comments, the public hearing will close,

207
00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:56,560
and the matter will rest with council.

208
00:19:57,380 --> 00:19:58,320
Agenda Item number six,

209
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,980
consideration of adopting a resolution

210
00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:02,300
through an experimental of FY 2025,

211
00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:04,520
consolidated annual performance report

212
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,000
for the CDBG and Home Program.

213
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,540
This item was discussed during the Finance Committee meeting

214
00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:10,260
earlier today.

215
00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:13,540
Ms. Noble Walker, Grant Svangel, will provide a summary of the request.

216
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,680
Good evening, Mayor Taylor.

217
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,380
Vice Mayor Deemer and members of City Council.

218
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,000
Tonight, City Council is conducting a public care

219
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,520
in to receive the comments regarding the program year 2824.

220
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,880
This will year 2025.

221
00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:30,700
Consolidated annual performance and evaluation

222
00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:36,080
for the community development block grant and home program.

223
00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:40,980
And, excuse me, I approve a resolution for some middle of the report to the U.S.

224
00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:43,620
Department of Housing and Urban Development Hut.

225
00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:46,800
I copy of this report has been provided to you.

226
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:53,480
I'm going to briefly share some of the accomplishments during this past year.

227
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:59,960
Here you can see that the resources that were made available during this program year.

228
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:07,540
with the entitlement funds, the reprogram funds, and the program incomes for the CBBG in home

229
00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:16,060
program. Also, there are the CBBG CV funds allocated in fiscal year 2020 as a result of the coronavirus.

230
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:23,540
The fiscal year 25 expenditures are recorded in HUD's data system, known as the integrated

231
00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:29,520
disbursement information system from fiscal year 25 and prior years allocations.

232
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,580
One of our major accomplishments this year was the Jefferson Park Public Facilities Project.

233
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,900
That project has been going on for about three years now and is completed and I believe

234
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:45,840
all of you have gotten an invitation for the rhythm cutting on October 8th.

235
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,880
So I look forward to seeing you all there.

236
00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:53,420
They have put a lot of work into this project and you can see the list of all of the different

237
00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:55,080
things that they did for that project.

238
00:21:55,660 --> 00:22:04,480
During this year, they expended 562,395 dollars of CDG funds for this project, and that

239
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,840
was from prior year allocations also.

240
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:16,110
Also, the Central Virginia Continuum of Care operated the coordinated home was intake

241
00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:24,910
and access known as Chia, and this program year, and there was 2,637 people assisted with 54,700

242
00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:29,070
and $6 of CDVG farms expended for this project.

243
00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:29,970
Through.

244
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:38,160
To extreme weather center at the Salvation Army, there were a hundred and five people served seeking shelter

245
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:44,000
during the run of season from January 25th through March of 25th. The extreme weather center

246
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:52,080
expended 24,769 dollars of CBG funds. Within the home program, there was the home ownership

247
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,880
and rental projects, a total of 57,968 dollars in home funds were

248
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,300
expended by a greater lunch break habitat for humanity over on

249
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:07,720
not street, two homes were completed and there are four homes under

250
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,840
construction. The Florida Terres departments have been completed. They were

251
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,580
completed at the end of this of prior year, but then they didn't get them all

252
00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:24,800
stop until this current year. So there are 11 home units within that 31 unit affordable housing

253
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,420
complex.

254
00:23:27,670 --> 00:23:35,270
Here are the CBG CV funds that were expended, Interfaith Outreach spent $31,374

255
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:44,570
and then Lentag expended $5,213 for its emergency housing and utility program. These were just

256
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:48,370
Some of the highlighted projects, all of the others are within the report.

257
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:53,290
There was a public notice published on September 5th for the public hearing.

258
00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:57,750
I have received no public comments prior to the public hearing.

259
00:23:58,310 --> 00:24:03,990
At the conclusion of the public hearing and approval of the resolution, I will submit the

260
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:09,010
comments received tonight, if any, and submit the report to have.

261
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:19,340
Is there anyone who would like to speak in favour of this? Is there anyone who would like to speak in opposition?

262
00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:22,600
Are there any voicemails?

263
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:24,640
There are none.

264
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,920
Public hearing is now closed. I refer to the chair of the committee, Mr. Missions.

265
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:33,920
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

266
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,100
Mr. Walker, thank you for your presentation.

267
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,740
I have nothing to add to that.

268
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,280
I appreciate all the work that you're doing and what's that I'll make a motion to approve.

269
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:47,800
Second, is there any discussion?

270
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:50,300
No discussion?

271
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,280
Please cast you both.

272
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:53,400
That's all.

273
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,540
This is coming in the work they're doing.

274
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:57,320
It's all by the director.

275
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:58,980
Me and the team will really appreciate it.

276
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,000
Thank you.

277
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:14,950
Motion passes 6-1.

278
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,420
agenda item number seven, consideration of introducing an ordinance approving the FY-254

279
00:25:23,420 --> 00:25:28,760
and an ordinance approving the FY-2526 first quarter of justness. This item was discussed during

280
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,240
the Finance Committee meeting earlier today. Ms. Donowitz, Chief Financial Officer, we'll

281
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,580
provide a summary of the request.

282
00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:36,400
Ms. In there.

283
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:43,180
We have two public hearings tonight. These are items that are typically brought forward

284
00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:50,380
about this time each year for the fourth quarter of justness as well as first quarter adjustments.

285
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,120
There we go.

286
00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:58,820
So these justements are about the same every year.

287
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:06,540
They clean up our fiscal year 2025 that ended June 30th and also allows us to complete some projects

288
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:12,360
that weren't finished in 2025 and to carry those funds forward into 26.

289
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:17,360
And it's also to appropriate additional funds received for 2026.

290
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Oh, sorry.

291
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,500
So in our fourth quarter adjustments,

292
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,740
in dedicated revenue, we received program additional program funding

293
00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:32,520
for these various programs, and there is also a local match

294
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,860
to two of them, the auxiliary grant, as well as the view,

295
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,580
purchase services grant to the tune of about $9,000,

296
00:26:39,580 --> 00:26:43,260
which will be funded from the Anasan General Fund Balance.

297
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:49,920
And our general use of Anasan Fund Balance, the registrar and electoral board, these are

298
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,460
additional funds for expenditures related to the presidential elections, so that need to

299
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:58,360
be appropriated to make their budget whole.

300
00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:03,680
And also, it transferred to the City Federal State Aid Fund to appropriate the local match

301
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,700
for the sheriff's office burned jag program for $5,915.

302
00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:16,260
And our use of reserve, we have a reserve for health insurance claims.

303
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,360
This year we had a higher number of claims than anticipated, well, this will year 25.

304
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:30,160
So this is an up to $1.5 million for still waiting for our last reports to come in for claims.

305
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:37,060
But this is taking funds out of our health insurance reserve and to pay for those claims.

306
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,060
And our other funds and our City Federal State Aid Fund, which are our grant fund, this

307
00:27:44,060 --> 00:27:45,700
proves up our grants.

308
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:50,000
We received additional funding for our Children's Services Act.

309
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:56,960
In the City Capital Project's fund, we had additional funding for our Highway Maintenance Program

310
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:04,120
and then we rescinded some funds, we just purchased the playground equipment to that the

311
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:10,540
Guadalins Club provided. We made the direct purchase as opposed for the appropriation to be

312
00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:16,240
done here so we just needed to clean that up and rescind that appropriation. In our school's

313
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,680
capital project fund, this was a state construction grant that the schools received in fiscal year

314
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,520
23 with the funds to be spent by June 30, 2025.

315
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:35,760
This project is complete, but this was done by a former CFO at Schools and it was missed.

316
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,560
It should have come to Council in 2023 and did not, but we want to make sure we clean up those

317
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,400
books.

318
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:47,060
It's in the schools' capital fund, but the funds were spent as they were intended for

319
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:47,860
that grant.

320
00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:55,080
In our fleet services funds, we had to use a use of reserves, and due to inflationary costs for

321
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,100
some of the vehicles that were purchased, and also to appropriate funds from the Criminal

322
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:05,940
Virginia Central Virginia Criminal Justice Academy where they reimburse this for a vehicle

323
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:06,800
they purchased.

324
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:11,900
And then the other side of that city payroll agency fund is there.

325
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,980
So that's all of our fourth quarter adjustments.

326
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:20,580
And our first quarter adjustments, again, we received additional dedicated revenue.

327
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:35,460
The general assembly provided a 3% state increase in bonuses for constitutional officers and also provided three new positions to in the Commonwealth Attorney's office and one in the Circuit Court Clark's office.

328
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:41,040
And then also approved at previously unfunded state position for the sheriff's office.

329
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:49,780
This does require a local match of a hundred and eighteen thousand three hundred and sixty dollars and then for human services juvenile services

330
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:57,600
We had a use services board and that has become in active due to a change in state code

331
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,980
They had some funds invest

332
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:24,440
And a small checking account. And we have taken those funds and in the Youth Services Board always did something for youth. And so we are going to purchase date detectors for the detention hope. And that's going to help them there. So it's in the same spirit to what the Youth Services Board did.

333
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,560
And then our library, we did receive additional state aid from the Library of Virginia.

334
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,300
To carry forward projects, one of the police department is to replace 24 tactical rifles.

335
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:44,140
And also at the Emergency Communications Center, upcoming improvements and to purchase training laptops.

336
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:51,260
And for public works, the appropriation to purchase a mulcher and replace a utility vehicle to use downtown,

337
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,980
including on the Bluff Walk for $60,000.

338
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:59,360
For our use of unassigned general fund balance,

339
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,860
we need to true up some grants.

340
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,260
And this is where we move money from the general fund

341
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:09,100
to our grant fund for the local match of those grants.

342
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,180
And this one is for our arts and cultural district

343
00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:14,160
that we true up.

344
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280
This is an annual appropriation that we make every year

345
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,200
once we close and figure out how much money we got

346
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,140
our lodging tax in that area.

347
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,980
For our reserve balance, this is a transfer to the technology fund

348
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:30,600
that Council approved back in June of 2000.

349
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:34,980
This allows us to put some money that was left

350
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:38,400
in the IT budget as well as some other funds that

351
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
come in for cell service into a tech fund that

352
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,020
helps us fund our new IT projects.

353
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Other funds, we do have additional funding

354
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:57,140
and our grant fund, our community development block grant, we receive our true appropriation

355
00:31:57,140 --> 00:32:03,760
later than what's in the proposed budget. So this screws up our CBG and our home projects.

356
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,720
Fourth of the assets, we're now allowed to budget those funds. So once those funds come in that

357
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,760
forward the Commonwealth Attorney's Office and also the police department, we appropriate those

358
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120
funds for projects.

359
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:22,740
The technology fund, this is the other side of that entry, and then in our city capital

360
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:31,980
projects funds, we received 13,370,000 dollars as a smart scale grant for the 501,221

361
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:39,940
one-way pair, 850,000 for the VDOT award for Ivy Creek Innovation Park and an additional

362
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:47,860
So $428,333 of revenue share for the fifth street phase four project, and then we rescinded

363
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:57,460
$923,780 that was federal funds that were previously awarded by V dot for nationwide

364
00:32:57,460 --> 00:33:01,440
drive past pedestrian improvement project.

365
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,340
So this is trueing up V dot funds.

366
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:08,580
And that concludes our one more fleet services fund.

367
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:15,420
Again, this is some vehicles that were appropriated in 2025 that had not been purchased

368
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:16,360
it.

369
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:21,860
You know, there's been a serious lag in the vehicles and how long it's taken to get them.

370
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:24,980
So this is caring for that fund so we can make this purchases.

371
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,200
But if the inclusion of the public hearings, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

372
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:30,120
Thank you.

373
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:31,040
Thank you, Ms. Hoyt.

374
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,820
Ms. Mayor.

375
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:36,040
The public input piece is correct and is to reiterate.

376
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,780
The notice went out for two public hearings for this.

377
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120
So the first one would be for fourth quarter adjustments.

378
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Once public input has been received, that public

379
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,500
care is closed, then you can open it up for the first quarter adjustments.

380
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,360
So two public hearings.

381
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:50,420
Two public hearings.

382
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:54,820
We need to do this again.

383
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:58,420
No, I believe you could open the floor for fourth quarter adjustments.

384
00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:00,020
Anybody to speak in favor?

385
00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:05,170
I want to speak in favor of both court adjustments.

386
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,340
Anyone who is speaking opposition?

387
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:12,100
Who can?

388
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,380
Fourth court adjustments.

389
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:17,880
Are there any voicemails?

390
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,940
There are none.

391
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,180
Public hearing is now closed.

392
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,860
I defer to the chair that committee.

393
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,260
Excuse me.

394
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:31,590
Is there any other discussion?

395
00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:37,620
I read the next public hearing and then take both together

396
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,940
individually if that makes sense.

397
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:46,060
What I would recommend that we keep separate. That's right. Public hearings.

398
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:49,410
Two separate votes.

399
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:50,610
They should be seven.

400
00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:53,470
Okay. As long as there's two separate votes on them.

401
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:54,590
That's right.

402
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:56,810
Okay.

403
00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:59,010
So the fourth quarter distance is now closed.

404
00:34:59,210 --> 00:35:01,330
It would be appropriate now to be on to the first quarter adjustments.

405
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:02,950
Looking for anyone to speak in favor.

406
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:05,590
You know, one of us speaking first quarter adjustments.

407
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:09,170
And one of us speak with gas first quarter adjustments.

408
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:13,710
Are there any voicemail?

409
00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:14,950
There are none.

410
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:23,520
The public hearing is now closed deferred to the chair of their committee.

411
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,640
Most of the missions.

412
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:28,720
I have nothing further to add than Mr. Whip provided.

413
00:35:29,020 --> 00:35:29,380
Mr. Mayor.

414
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:30,060
Yes, sir.

415
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,720
Now, is there any other discussions?

416
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:34,920
No.

417
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:35,800
Okay.

418
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Now, are we able to take a vote?

419
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:41,460
I have to have a motion.

420
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,320
A motion to take a vote, please.

421
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,380
This

422
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,420
did go committee, so Councilor missions could move it forward as a motion it would require

423
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:52,020
no second.

424
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,480
We did not vote on this in committee because of the public hearing, so when the why so it

425
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,400
would just be, or it makes motion in a second.

426
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:15,460
Just for the first one, that is motion and seconded for approval is the fourth quarter of

427
00:36:15,460 --> 00:36:16,360
Yes.

428
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:18,880
All right.

429
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:19,640
Introducing the note now.

430
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:34,630
The motion passes for three.

431
00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:43,460
And now we have the second quarter, which is.

432
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,380
Can I?

433
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:45,280
Yes.

434
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,400
The first quarter at white 2026.

435
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:49,860
The first quarter.

436
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,960
And I'll make a motion to approve the first quarter at white 2026.

437
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Second.

438
00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:58,870
I'd like to speak to that motion when we get it.

439
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:02,010
When you're ready, Mr. Mayor?

440
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:03,130
Yes.

441
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:08,610
And this, there's some pretty significant adjustments being made in this, particularly

442
00:37:08,610 --> 00:37:09,850
appropriations.

443
00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:16,950
I think 13 million I think is what it was for 501-211 smart scale funding to, we desperately

444
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:22,230
need to get that intersection done and moving very important.

445
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:26,330
Lots of public safety items as well in there, for our police department, for our emergency

446
00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:27,230
communications department.

447
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:29,930
I think that there's...

448
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:39,630
A lot of important things that we need to appropriate these funds for in this 1st quarter adjustment. That's why I made a motion for it.

449
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:40,510
Please speak to me, second.

450
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,820
Please cast your votes.

451
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:46,760
Initiatives vote now.

452
00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:57,650
The motion passes 6-1.

453
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,440
The next section is public comment. Speakers have three minutes to talk if you're speaking for a group you have five.

454
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:11,980
City Council listens to your comments and may ask the city manager to follow up. Citizens often have different opinions.

455
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:16,040
To make sure everyone feels comfortable speaking, there is no applause, cheers or cheers.

456
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,700
do not intimidate insult or disrupt others, do not use profanity permit businesses or campaign

457
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:21,380
for office.

458
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:25,620
Agenda item number eight, hear from a group representative regarding keeping your word.

459
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,780
Greg Barry, City Elders, please restate your name.

460
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,800
Group representative and locality presents.

461
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:46,770
Good evening Mayor Taylor, Vice Mayor Deemer, and seat council members.

462
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:52,410
My name is Greg Barry, and I'm representing the Missberg City Elders, and I live in Ward

463
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:57,450
All praise, honor and glory be to God in His Son, Jesus Christ.

464
00:38:58,890 --> 00:39:06,430
In Matthew 24, starting with verse 37, reread, but as the days of no war, so shall also

465
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:08,830
the coming of the Son of man be.

466
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:15,730
For as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and

467
00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:20,290
giving in marriage until the day that no entered into the ark.

468
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:25,430
and knew not until the flood came and took them all away.

469
00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:30,050
So shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

470
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:36,270
On September 11, 2001, for the first time in U.S. history,

471
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:41,550
we were attacked on our own soil by radical Islamist.

472
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:46,590
We were attacked by all most of us were simply going about our daily lives

473
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:53,790
oblivious to the warning signs. We lost nearly 3,000 citizens on that

474
00:39:53,790 --> 00:40:01,330
faithful day. It led to a war in Iraq and against Osama bin Laden. These events

475
00:40:01,330 --> 00:40:07,330
led Americans back to their churches and underneath before God and we said

476
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:16,010
never forget. But we did forget. Not only did we forget those who died, but we

477
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:20,750
Forgotten those that brought this terror upon us, Radical Islam.

478
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:27,610
We are once again walking around like the blind and ignoring the threats right here as we

479
00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:30,610
have Radical Islam as running for public office.

480
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:32,750
We truly have forgotten.

481
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:42,130
On September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was taken away from us because of his stance for truth

482
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:43,030
and freedom.

483
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:50,470
He spoke often about bookism and Marxism combined with Islamism and attempting to destroy

484
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:57,190
the American way of life which is Christendom. Charlie Kirk stood in the way. Charlie's

485
00:40:57,190 --> 00:41:03,710
death is yet another reminder that we must first get on our knees before God and then rise

486
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:06,910
and stand for truth, righteousness, and freedom.

487
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,940
With this result in civil war or revival, hate

488
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:16,880
I believe it could be both.

489
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:21,400
We already have seen the numbers of people turning to God

490
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,420
and the revival has begun.

491
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:27,840
If you bothered to observe any of Charlie's memorial services,

492
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,540
this is obvious.

493
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:35,940
But we've also observed many who blatantly lie about the mission of Charlie.

494
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,200
What he said, what he stood for,

495
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:45,420
and others who are calling for further violence groups like Antifa.

496
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,600
Are we simply going to close our eyes and go back to sleep?

497
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,420
We do so at our own peril.

498
00:41:55,700 --> 00:42:00,260
My recommendation is City Council take a firm stand for truth and freedom

499
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:03,200
and all the Charlie Kirk stood for.

500
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:21,880
Lynchburg citizens deserve a resolution from you that recognizes him for his sacrifice and love for his Savior and the same time condemns those who resort to violence to silence people who believe in the first amendment.

501
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,800
The question is, are you brave enough to do the right thing?

502
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:36,700
And Psalms 112 says, prays the Lord, blesses the man to fear at the Lord, that delighteth

503
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:42,700
greatly in His commandments, He shall not be afraid of tidings, His heart is fixed

504
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:44,000
trusting in the Lord.

505
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,460
We must keep our word to never forget.

506
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Thank you.

507
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,360
agenda item number nine here from a group of representative regarding indivisible

508
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,220
liberty and justice for all so single indivisible lynchburg please restate your

509
00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:05,540
name group represented in locality of residents mayor Taylor and members of

510
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:10,780
Council my name is Sue Stingle and I'm a resident of lynchburg tonight I'm speaking

511
00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:16,740
on behalf of indivisible lynchburg since January we have organized two of the

512
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:23,100
just demonstrations ever held in Lynchburg. Some of you know what indivisible is and what

513
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:29,460
we stand for, some of you don't. At least one of you has made inflammatory statements and

514
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:36,180
put lies about indivisible on your Facebook pages. We are a large dispersed organization that works

515
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:43,720
with hundreds of other groups around the country and the globe. I'm here tonight to specifically address

516
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,720
our organizing principle of non-violence.

517
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,280
The plethora of allegiance that we all

518
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,100
recited earlier contains the words indivisible with liberty

519
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,760
and justice for all.

520
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,860
Indivisible believes in a multiracial, inclusive democracy.

521
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,640
One where everyone has equal rights and equal power,

522
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,660
no matter where they live, or what they look like.

523
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,780
Indivisible was founded in 2016,

524
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:11,960
when a concerned group of citizens agreed

525
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,440
that politics is too important to be left to politicians.

526
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,200
Indivisible Lynchburg was formed the following year in 2017.

527
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:28,060
Indivisible has been rooted in the belief that organized people can beat organized hate.

528
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,700
From the start, we've been committed to nonviolence as a guiding principle in everything we do.

529
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:40,500
That includes our demonstrations, our organizing, our advocacy.

530
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:47,560
We organize out in the open, and if you want to see that in action, join us in a public

531
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Zoom call every Thursday afternoon.

532
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,660
Last week, over 7,000 people attended that call.

533
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:59,880
We reject all forms of political violence and intimidation, no matter the target.

534
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:08,780
In the last 10 years, people of our country have politicized non-political tragedies, both the left and right are guilty.

535
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:17,800
By non-political tragedies, I mean events like September 11, gun violence and playing crashes.

536
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:25,500
No matter woman can be held responsible after their life is ended, for how living people react to their death.

537
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:33,680
Only 4% of this country, 4% believe in political violence.

538
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:40,760
But if leaders egg on that 4%, the danger will increase as a 4% willing to do violence

539
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,480
increases.

540
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,700
The violent rhetoric that was posted on Facebook by Councilman Missions was dangerous and

541
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:54,020
will continue to be a danger to members of indivisible and others who peacefully gathered

542
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:55,640
to make our voices heard.

543
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:59,240
A catalog of missions dangerous Facebook posts

544
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:02,940
was sent to every council member by my friend Pat.

545
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,900
I won't review it here.

546
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,860
A core principle behind all indivisible

547
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:12,740
events is a commitment to nonviolent action.

548
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:16,280
We expect all participants to seek to de-escalate

549
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,560
any potential confrontation with those who disagree

550
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,540
with our values.

551
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:31,540
We train and retrain volunteers in de-escalation techniques nationally and divisible prohibits carrying any weapon to an event.

552
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Many things can become weapons, including flag poles that are wider than your finger, your little finger.

553
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,440
In a guns state like Virginia, we unfortunately cannot prohibit firearms at our events,

554
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,620
But we can, and have us, the Lynchburg City Police, to manage the threat with us.

555
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,820
Several firearms were brought to the June 14th rally.

556
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,380
The police managed the situation for us peacefully.

557
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,420
Loudest ruptures were mostly handled by us, including by my activists, friend Molly.

558
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,180
Language like that, posted by Missions, can provoke people to violence on either side

559
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:11,460
of the political divide.

560
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:15,800
and we will do our best to continue to control it.

561
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:18,400
But indivisible lynch for must insist

562
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,040
that mischens be sanctioned if not removed by a city council

563
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,440
for the dangerous hate speech he posted on Facebook.

564
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:29,920
We don't put our faith in individual politicians.

565
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:32,720
We put our faith in organizing.

566
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,300
That means holding elected officials accountable,

567
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,020
even the ones we've support.

568
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,820
We will continue to collaborate with council

569
00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:47,060
members of other groups in our area. We are brave. We are courageous and that is contagious.

570
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:54,840
We won't back down. We ask you to heat our request. We are in this together. Thank you.

571
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,380
The next section is General Business, includes new items for discussion. The first item for

572
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:08,220
general business now being the minutes that would be June 10, June 23, June 24, June 30,

573
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,400
I'll

574
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:26,230
go with the consent agenda order items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in block.

575
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:42,850
These are individual agenda items to put together in a block would be to essentially keep the consent agenda as it is.

576
00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:51,550
And therefore, with the consent agenda usually have a motion to approve a block of items, I believe

577
00:48:51,550 --> 00:48:55,270
that this violates the rules of procedure section five, too, because we're not in the consent

578
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:57,230
agencies are now all individual items.

579
00:48:58,750 --> 00:49:01,850
And the items shall be considered separately after adoption of the consent agenda.

580
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:04,690
That's what the rules of procedure say.

581
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:06,890
Section five, two dates as a final question of the Council Member.

582
00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:08,310
Item shall be removed from the consent agenda.

583
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:11,350
The item shall be considered separately after adoption of the consent agenda.

584
00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:17,390
rules are pretty clear we got to do these one by one and I would my point of order is that

585
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:21,890
they're they're motion and second is out of order because the rules of procedure say that

586
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:26,310
we need to do these separately. Speak slower please. Keep up, please.

587
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:31,050
On this ring. All we have to speak to our motions.

588
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:35,470
The motions at order. I got point of order. One motion at order. Section 5 to your day at the

589
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:43,090
rules of procedure. Mr. Freeman. So as I understand that rule, it's and the consent agenda

590
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:48,290
really in and in and in of itself. The consent agenda is approval without discussion.

591
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:55,410
It's where everyone has agreed to proceed. Everyone is still on board. There was no conflict

592
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:59,750
with the issue at a previous meeting and it's put on there for the second approval.

593
00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:06,730
As far as splitting the items, the way I interpreted that rule that Councilman mission cited

594
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:14,670
was that the individual matter, if there is a consent agenda that's to be approved, would

595
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:19,510
be taken off and put on general business. I don't think it necessarily means that Council

596
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:26,430
is forced to consider independently every single item that may come off the consent agenda

597
00:50:26,430 --> 00:50:32,210
in the event that they're related. So the issue here is whether or not the approval of the

598
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:37,930
minutes together are related. Historically, I understand the Council to always approve the

599
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:43,130
minutes together. Now, Council could decide to address them separately. Certainly, there

600
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:49,330
could be a substitute motion to consider each of those matters separately. Or Council

601
00:50:49,330 --> 00:50:55,890
could decide with the motion on the table to consider them all as one. The issue is whether

602
00:50:55,890 --> 00:51:00,470
or not there will be discussion on all of the matters. Either way, however they are considered,

603
00:51:00,470 --> 00:51:02,930
there would be discussion on all of the minutes considered.

604
00:51:04,030 --> 00:51:07,610
So, it's really up to Council how they want to proceed with this.

605
00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:15,710
If I may, it was objected to, because in block, I objected to the consent agenda, and it's

606
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:21,070
very clear, it says the item, which could also be items, because it's multiple items shall

607
00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:24,870
be considered separately after adoption of the consent agenda.

608
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:32,610
And if you look at the beginning of our purpose and basic principles, and our basic underlying

609
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:37,550
principles of rules of procedure, is that only one subject may claim the attention and

610
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:38,170
the council time.

611
00:51:38,290 --> 00:51:41,490
Each item presented for consideration is entitled to a full and free discussion.

612
00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:48,470
These are listed as five different items for consideration, five different items to do it

613
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:57,230
in a block would essentially kind of nullifies section 5 to the D of the rules of procedure.

614
00:51:57,510 --> 00:52:00,370
And I ask you to open your rules of procedure and actually read this for yourself, Mr.

615
00:52:00,470 --> 00:52:07,270
Mayor, and see what this says because it's very clear what the intent of the rules are.

616
00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:19,890
I appreciate the commentary that the city attorney offered to this, but there is no point.

617
00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:25,700
but even having this in the rules if we're not going to apply it.

618
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:41,460
So, it sounds like the parliamentarian escaped you discretion to decide if you're going to rule on his objection, and once you do that, then we get to speak to our motions.

619
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:54,200
So, if you believe that what the parliamentarian has said is that you actually can't actually vote on the Senate block, then you can rule that, and then we can speak.

620
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,720
Mayor, you've heard of the last two questions.

621
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Yeah, because we already had one side.

622
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:02,440
You'll see.

623
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:04,140
We've got a point of order on the table.

624
00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:09,820
I do not find the point of order in order.

625
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:12,480
That's what I'm doing.

626
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,960
That's what I'm doing.

627
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:15,260
Point of order is always on the table.

628
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:17,820
I'm the president of the council and that's what I'm doing.

629
00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:19,580
Now.

630
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:21,480
All right, Mr. Mayor, I'll make a substitute.

631
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:31,590
The council member can make a substitute once he re-attains the floor.

632
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Mr. Farradi.

633
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:35,340
Good evening, Mayor.

634
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,580
So we can pump the brakes a little bit.

635
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:50,580
There's another part of our rules of procedure that allows us to engage however the council needs to engage in order to get the business of the council done.

636
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,400
One could contend, that's my intent here.

637
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,720
There's no problem with Germanists because they're all the same topic.

638
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:02,100
They're all minutes.

639
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:06,080
If there are issues that need to be highlighted,

640
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:11,580
I'm certain that my colleagues will bring that for us.

641
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:17,930
So that's why I put in them in black and make sentences.

642
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:18,770
They're all minutes.

643
00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:29,150
Okay, so I know that our clerk has worked a lot and provided us with some understanding about

644
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:36,090
what the desires of those opposed to seemingly this motion and the concerns they've raised.

645
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:45,090
She's incorporated some of those changes and then provided pretty direct feedback on others.

646
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:56,830
If it isn't appropriate, if it's not inappropriate, I would appreciate hearing at least a little bit from her if that's possible about what I'm talking about.

647
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:59,270
But outside of that, those are my comments.

648
00:54:59,750 --> 00:55:04,790
The minutes are the minutes they have been clarified to some degree and I stand by them.

649
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:06,970
They are an accurate representation of what happened.

650
00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:08,390
Thank you.

651
00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:10,820
Yes.

652
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:11,840
Thank you, Mayor.

653
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:37,020
So as we all remember two weeks ago, we sat here and we were asked for more time from our colleagues, which they've been given, and they praised our amazing clerk, which she is, for all of her hard work and asked her to take more time, and they were given more time, and then she's given them a response, which they clearly didn't like.

654
00:55:38,330 --> 00:56:01,890
And so we were then threatened, remember we were threatened, but if we did, what we did tonight last meeting that we were going to get stuck here for endless hours, because we were going to have to discuss each item and nauseam for the full length of 30 minutes per item, if we didn't submit and table it or move it to this agenda to give them more time.

655
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:09,090
So, we did that. We gave them the extra two weeks because they wanted the extra time and they wanted the clerk to

656
00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:15,950
Riggs Ammon the request and she did and we have an email. We all have an email. I will pull up from

657
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:19,110
Ms. Finney that says

658
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:23,210
Following the discussion and direction from council on our at our September 9th meeting.

659
00:56:23,830 --> 00:56:25,670
I have reviewed all requested edits

660
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:29,010
to the June 23rd, 24th, June 30th, and July 8th,

661
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:29,550
we need minutes.

662
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:32,210
I compare the original language with the proposed changes

663
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:33,950
and determined whether revisions were necessary.

664
00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:36,570
The attached chart documents each request,

665
00:56:36,850 --> 00:56:39,730
the proposed change and the final outcome, in summary.

666
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:42,990
Most requests did not warrant edits.

667
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:45,610
As the original minutes accurately captured

668
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:48,310
the sequence of events and remained consistent

669
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:50,410
with established practice.

670
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:51,250
Practice.

671
00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:55,570
Again, this is the clerk that they all praise for being amazing.

672
00:56:55,570 --> 00:57:01,490
Several clarifying modifications were made to reflect accurate context and ensure

673
00:57:01,490 --> 00:57:06,990
our activity proposed insertions that were not germane to the motions on the floor or

674
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:12,010
that are better preserved in historical records, I.E. supporting documents were left unchanged

675
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:17,330
as is normal practice, a copy of the detailed review is attached for your reference.

676
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:22,690
So our amazing wonderful clerk that we all agree is amazing and wonderful, as she is.

677
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:35,570
Give you an explanation of what is standard practice, what she did, what is ethical, we all got an explanation, and you've all had time to see it.

678
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:48,590
Our attorney looked through it, agreed. Nothing was left out, nothing was misrepresented, nothing was changed or modified to misrepresent any of all the meetings that were referred.

679
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:50,650
you were giving your time. Now,

680
00:57:53,230 --> 00:57:58,370
here we are again. There is absolutely no reason to hijack

681
00:57:58,370 --> 00:58:05,190
this meeting. Mayor, I implore you to allow us to call this vote, stop playing games with times

682
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:13,570
we just had a meeting upstairs about our rules of procedure and being transparent and working

683
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:20,150
together and we're playing the game again. Ridiculous. Mr. Mayor, I wasn't finished talking.

684
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:27,200
So, we gave them their two weeks, we gave them the time.

685
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,980
Our wonderful clerk has done her job, and she gave them an answer that they did not want

686
00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:36,120
to hear, but she gave it, she did everything right by the book.

687
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:45,160
She has not modified or done anything that has, is a misrepresentation of our meetings, we need

688
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,000
to move on.

689
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:53,280
Just very quickly I did make the motion at 7.49 and according to our bill's procedure we should only have 30 minutes of debate so I just wanted to record.

690
00:58:54,060 --> 00:58:56,380
Mr. Timmer.

691
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:02,160
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. For all, or Mr. Mission says I identified here as a substitute mission.

692
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:06,160
I have a substitute mission so we're going to have to do this one out.

693
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:10,000
I have a three-part substitute mission.

694
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:20,880
I'm going to say one that we include in our minutes of our meeting city staff's advice that

695
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:26,560
without a vote of council, the real estate rate would have defaulted to 89 cents. Rather

696
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:33,540
than equalize, rather than equalization plus 1% as stated in Virginia law. And I've provided

697
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:37,100
a chart detailing this, I'll speak to my motion a minute. The second part of my motion

698
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:43,300
being that the minutes reflect that no vote was taken on adjournment during our June 23rd

699
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:47,480
meeting and the third part of that motion being that the minutes reflect that a vote

700
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:55,420
was taken on June 24th to adjourn the June 23rd meeting and I'll wait to see if there's a

701
00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:56,580
and then I'll speak to my motion.

702
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,460
Can I get a point of clarification from the city attorney on this?

703
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:07,500
What's something?

704
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:08,780
Just a point of clarification.

705
01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:10,060
Can you get a motion on the floor?

706
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:11,000
You need to be second.

707
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,260
We'll have to get a point of clarification before a second.

708
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,400
Mr. Attorney.

709
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:19,400
Mr. Attorney.

710
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,020
And we'll go over the second just to see if someone's second.

711
01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:23,260
We have to have a clear ruling.

712
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:30,180
The question I have is, do we lose the substitute motion if there's no second?

713
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:31,800
Yes.

714
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:32,200
Yes.

715
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:32,940
I

716
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:49,180
would contend that that is withdrawn and we just go ahead and have a substitute motion to approve the minutes for June 10 and then go into everything else.

717
01:00:52,310 --> 01:00:55,310
I'm trying to prove in June 10th.

718
01:00:56,170 --> 01:00:57,530
These need to happen.

719
01:00:57,930 --> 01:00:58,150
It's so critical.

720
01:00:58,150 --> 01:01:03,330
Okay, I'll second to substitute.

721
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:04,450
Thank you, Ed.

722
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:05,270
Speak to your substitute.

723
01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:06,430
As is.

724
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:07,290
What's the motion?

725
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:08,810
She read it.

726
01:01:08,810 --> 01:01:10,410
The motion is a three part motion.

727
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:17,340
The first aspect, including the recommendation from city staff, that we would hold over at the

728
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:22,760
since rather than equalization plus 1 percent of Virginia law that that needs to be included

729
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:23,500
in the minutes.

730
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,260
The other two parts being that on June 23rd there was no vote for adjournment, but on June

731
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:35,700
24th there was a vote for adjournment to the June 23rd meeting. Neither of those, well, none

732
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,340
of those items have been reflected in the minutes.

733
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,840
So that's the motion.

734
01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:43,730
Okay.

735
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:45,710
Then I will speak to you all the time.

736
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:47,750
I'll speak to my motion.

737
01:01:49,330 --> 01:01:53,070
In some of the minutes should reflect the incorrect advice cities.

738
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:55,490
Well, I'm going to back that.

739
01:01:55,790 --> 01:01:56,490
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

740
01:01:56,970 --> 01:01:57,910
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

741
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:58,690
Fellow Councilman.

742
01:01:59,410 --> 01:02:00,730
And citizens of Lynchburg.

743
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:03,490
And Mr. Mayor, I will retain the floor.

744
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:09,950
I appreciate the opportunity to speak on a matter that goes to the heart of our city's

745
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:12,570
Council's integrity, transparency and here it's to the law.

746
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:36,230
And some of the minutes should reflect the inaccurate advice of city staff regarding the default real estate rate and that the motion to adjourn at the 23rd June 23rd meeting was not voted on, and that on June 24th those who walked out of the June 23rd meeting moved to adjourn the June 23rd meeting and vote the vote passed for the 3rd.

747
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:41,750
To some this may sound like much to do about nothing, but it is far from that.

748
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:49,410
This failure to provide proper legal advice and the manipulation of our rules has silenced

749
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:55,150
citizen input, improperly and radically altered our discussion on real estate taxes.

750
01:02:55,790 --> 01:03:00,410
Could have exposed the city to litigation how we defaulted to the 89 cents as Mr.

751
01:03:00,470 --> 01:03:02,070
Friedman advised was the law.

752
01:03:02,070 --> 01:03:07,570
And allowed Mr. Feraldi to generate smearing headlines against those with whom he disagrees.

753
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:13,150
Before I detail the factual support and this is all cited with timestamps.

754
01:03:14,770 --> 01:03:23,010
For this statement, let me speak to the common and repeated effort by some uncounsel to divert from substantive discussion.

755
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:32,050
We are likely to hear when I give up the floor loud proclamations of fidelity to staff that my comments are heaping a burden on city staff

756
01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:35,690
and that other members of Council would trust staff

757
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:38,210
quote with their lives, Mr. Forali.

758
01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:43,110
This sound and fury is unfounded and smoke and mirrors.

759
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:45,810
I appreciate the hard work of staff

760
01:03:45,810 --> 01:03:48,910
and have expressed this to them directly and publicly.

761
01:03:50,010 --> 01:03:53,330
But if we are unwilling to discuss staff errors,

762
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:57,250
particularly errors which directly impact transparency

763
01:03:57,710 --> 01:04:01,650
and Council discussions, then we are not doing our job.

764
01:04:02,770 --> 01:04:10,610
We have the responsibility to ensure staff does their job properly, consistently with the law,

765
01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:13,250
and as the law requires transparently.

766
01:04:17,310 --> 01:04:25,230
First of the city man, it's skipped a page three, I'm missing page two, hold on

767
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:26,030
just a moment.

768
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:33,830
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

769
01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:49,650
Imagine a ship's crew miss reading the navigation charts and steering the vessel toward

770
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:51,770
dangerous water or the wrong direction.

771
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:57,410
When a few vigilant passengers raise the alarm, instead of correcting course, some crew members

772
01:04:57,410 --> 01:04:59,630
accuse them of disrespecting the sailors.

773
01:05:00,810 --> 01:05:02,530
But the issue isn't about loyalty.

774
01:05:04,090 --> 01:05:05,110
It's about accuracy.

775
01:05:06,830 --> 01:05:12,630
If the charts are wrong, the ship is at risk, no matter how dedicated that crew may be.

776
01:05:13,810 --> 01:05:14,850
Now let's look at the facts.

777
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:19,630
Over the past few months, we've seen a pattern of procedural manipulations and legal misrepair

778
01:05:19,630 --> 01:05:22,510
presentations that have eroded public trust.

779
01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:25,830
Today, I want to set the record straight.

780
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:28,430
Based on facts, our rules of procedure,

781
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:33,390
Virginia law, transcripts, and even audio

782
01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:36,410
that captures what really happened during our June 23rd

783
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:37,610
and 24th meetings.

784
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:42,470
Mr. For All these successfully maneuvered his no-car tax plan,

785
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:46,730
a proposal to greatly reduce taxes while raising real estate

786
01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:51,450
rates taxes to $1025 per $100 of assessed value.

787
01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:59,790
On the agenda for public hearing, as required by Virginia Code 58.1-307 under false pretenses.

788
01:06:00,770 --> 01:06:07,910
The council was wrongly advised by City Attorney Mr. Matt Friedman that this hearing was mandatory.

789
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:17,390
or the rate would default to 89 cents, leading to a, some say, 16, some say, 18% tax hike due to reassessments.

790
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:21,470
Potentially increasing taxes on the average homeowner by about $300.

791
01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:28,150
This false concern prompted members to believe a vote on a new rate was necessary

792
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:31,390
or the tax increase would be imposed automatically.

793
01:06:31,390 --> 01:06:36,550
The rate would remain at 89 cents and impose that burden.

794
01:06:36,990 --> 01:06:38,210
Unfortunately, that was not true.

795
01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:40,610
But that's not what the Virginia law says.

796
01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:43,390
Under Virginia Code 58.1-3321,

797
01:06:44,070 --> 01:06:46,990
if no hearing was held, the rate would default

798
01:06:46,990 --> 01:06:49,390
to the equalized rate plus 1%.

799
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:53,450
Much lower by law are racing the tax increase.

800
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:56,230
The statute is clear.

801
01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:58,910
The state law takes precedent over city ordinance

802
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:02,690
and certainly over a city in turnies incorrect interpretation.

803
01:07:04,070 --> 01:07:09,290
This false inducement to place the hearing on the agenda shaped the entire debate

804
01:07:09,290 --> 01:07:13,910
and incorrect interpretation of law that the city attorney still has not acknowledged.

805
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:22,280
Mr. Friedman's interpretation inverted the law in certain language in last year's ordinance that contradicted this,

806
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:27,330
forcing unnecessary and unnecessary hearing in setting the stage for chaos.

807
01:07:27,330 --> 01:07:29,510
The fact that the council

808
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,860
As a result, the public was told the real estate tax would default to 89 cents dramatically impacted the nature and discussion of the budget.

809
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:49,000
First, the city manager proposed a budget assuming the 89 cent rate would be there, thus resulting in an average $300 increase in real estate taxes for the average homeowner,

810
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,040
and couching any reductions in the overall increase as a budget cut.

811
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:59,340
Secondly, Mr. Feraldi consistently resisted any discussion of the real estate tax rate

812
01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:05,760
dirt until the budget was approved. Thus forcing acceptance of the real estate rate

813
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:12,560
at least 89 cents. All the while the city staff was telling counsel incorrectly that the

814
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:18,340
rate would default to 89 cents. Only when the incorrect advice was exposed and Mr.

815
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:23,020
Feraldi's

816
01:08:23,020 --> 01:08:30,360
exposed as protecting the tax increase of reappraisal was the council finally able to set a real estate tax rate.

817
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:40,580
The incorrect advice dramatically altered the discussion of the real estate tax, such that it resulted in spending driving policy rather than policy driving spending.

818
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:49,330
As I have previously read into the record twice during the debate, the full text of Virginia Code 58.58.1,

819
01:08:49,330 --> 01:08:56,630
1-3321 established as mandatory procedures for real estate tax rates following the general

820
01:08:56,630 --> 01:09:00,250
reassessment. But don't worry, I'm not going to read it all again.

821
01:09:01,270 --> 01:09:07,310
In summary, the provision states, when a reassessment results in an increase in total assessed

822
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:14,970
property values exceeding 1% as occurred in Virginia with a 16% valuation growth, the local

823
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:21,330
governing body must reduce the tax rate to a level that generates no more than 101%.

824
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:27,270
Of the previous year's real property tax revenues, unless it opts for a higher rate after

825
01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:31,530
conducting required public hearings and providing specific notices.

826
01:09:33,350 --> 01:09:35,450
This provision protects taxpayers.

827
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:43,910
By treating any revenue increase beyond the 101% as a deliberative tax hike that demands

828
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:51,130
transparency and justification, rather than allowing it to occur automatically through

829
01:09:51,130 --> 01:09:58,810
an action. Yet during our deliberations, statements were made that suggest the opposite,

830
01:09:59,690 --> 01:10:07,590
that the pre-reassessment 89 cent rate was the default and would persist if we took no action,

831
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:11,790
positioning it as a neutral, rather than an increase.

832
01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:17,190
This framing shifted the burden on to those advocating for equalization,

833
01:10:18,330 --> 01:10:22,190
making it seem as though we were proposing drastic cuts.

834
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:23,670
When in reality,

835
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:30,930
it jumps again.

836
01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:35,780
Mr. Mayor,

837
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:43,680
I will continue with my remarks.

838
01:10:47,690 --> 01:10:51,290
When in reality, we were adhering to the laws baseline.

839
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:56,360
For example, and now we're going to go into quotes.

840
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,780
On June 24th, 2025, during our work session,

841
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,200
Deputy City Manager, Greg Patrick stated,

842
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:08,060
there's adopting a rate because there's adopting a rate

843
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:09,620
because right now there is a rate,

844
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,700
and unless Council takes action, that rate doesn't change, right?

845
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:16,720
Council member Chris, for all the echoed this saying,

846
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:27,400
whether that means we leave it at 89, or we lower other rates to get there, or we go to 83 on real estate, and do nothing else.

847
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:38,400
I'm very open to any option. And on June 30th, 2025, City Attorney Matt Friedman advised the 89 cents that's on council's books is continuing nature.

848
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:44,960
Okay, so council, it should it not want to, doesn't have to address that.

849
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,120
It does not need to be addressed if council doesn't want to do it.

850
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:54,500
When Vice Mayor Deamer clarified, and this is a quote from Vice Mayor Deamer, so if we don't

851
01:11:54,500 --> 01:12:00,560
address the real estate tax rate tonight, by midnight, it will stay 89 cents, Mr. Friedman

852
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,860
confirmed, and this is a quote from Mr. Friedman, well it would stay until you changed it.

853
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:22,060
To retort directly to this interpretation that the Council need not vote or doesn't have to address the rate for it to remain at 89 and since, this view inverts the statute's mandate, treating the law as optional when it is imperative.

854
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:36,560
I could go on with other analogies here, Mr. Mayor, and I have comments regarding my other motions, but it is important to note that this significantly shaped our entire debate on what the real estate rate would be.

855
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:41,060
the advice should be included in the minutes.

856
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:51,870
Analogously imagine state law required cities to shall elect council members every two years

857
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:53,290
and not to cancel an election.

858
01:12:54,090 --> 01:12:58,670
And one city decided not to have an election one year justifying their actions by claiming

859
01:12:58,670 --> 01:13:03,670
they did not violate state law because they didn't cancel an election, they just continued

860
01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:05,730
to honor the results of the last election.

861
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:10,150
That's essentially what we were advised in regard to the real estate rate.

862
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:14,870
Moreover, if a city had collected taxes at the 89-cent rate,

863
01:13:15,190 --> 01:13:17,610
without voting to adopt it, post-reassessment,

864
01:13:18,450 --> 01:13:21,870
generating revenues far exceeding 101% of the prior year,

865
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:27,230
it could have exposed Lynchburg to liability from taxpayers after collection.

866
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:34,650
Under Virginia Code Section 58.1-3984, taxpayers could challenge the excess

867
01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:41,770
as an erroneous, erroneous, levy, seeking refunds, interests, or injunctions.

868
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:49,570
At brief analysis, the statute's mandatory process makes any unjust rate, non-compliant,

869
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:53,590
rendering the taxes erroneous due to procedural failure.

870
01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:57,850
Court courts have upheld similar challenges.

871
01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:03,910
Potentially, potentially leading to class actions or corrections that burdened city finances

872
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:19,710
and a road trust. Fortunately, we avoided this by adopting a rate, but the guidance provided by Mr. Patrick and Mr. Matt Friedman could have steered us into such risks, and it should be included in our minutes.

873
01:14:20,770 --> 01:14:24,610
These statements had an effect of inverting the laws intent.

874
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:26,450
I

875
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:39,070
have a few more statements, Mr. Mayor, and I am going to complete them, and I am going to submit them formally into the record.

876
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:45,350
I have them printed, and I have them available to the media with citations, as well as time stamps.

877
01:14:51,980 --> 01:14:52,900
Under Section 58.

878
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:54,980
She's passed her time.

879
01:14:55,460 --> 01:14:56,260
It's been over 10 minutes.

880
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:58,860
You have been here long time.

881
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,440
Now, the problem I see is that you all have a problem with the real estate rate that we set.

882
01:15:07,940 --> 01:15:14,360
No, that's not what I'm contending for Mr. Mary, we have been through this.

883
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:21,000
You all set here. It's gone back to the 23rd.

884
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,180
Okay, I'm galvanizing a meeting, I'm galvanizing a meeting,

885
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,580
a motion was made, the motion was second, and I gathered it out.

886
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:35,660
Yes, I did.

887
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,920
Okay, that's on the 23rd.

888
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,320
We had another meeting, especially meeting that morning.

889
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,740
The next day we came in, we voted it on a rate.

890
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,080
Okay, and you all agreed to the rate, 84 a cent rate,

891
01:15:53,660 --> 01:16:01,220
That's what was recorded. That's what's important. We got a real estate rate set and that's where we stand

892
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:07,430
Okay, at all this unnecessary

893
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,320
No, no, it's not we got a rate set

894
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:19,900
We got a real we got a budget. Our budget has been passed and we got a rate set and that's it

895
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:21,860
Speak

896
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:27,100
to you second

897
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:27,780
Thank you, Samar.

898
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:35,500
I appreciate everything you've put together and all your comments, and, you know, sometimes

899
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:39,760
it's best just to let us.

900
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,620
That's not what that means.

901
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,140
That's not what that means.

902
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,340
That's not what that means.

903
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:57,360
Yes, it is.

904
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,960
It's what was associated with my lunch.

905
01:17:01,870 --> 01:17:02,310
That's it.

906
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:03,070
It's a bad thing.

907
01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:04,210
It's a bad thing.

908
01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:05,450
It's a bad thing.

909
01:17:05,610 --> 01:17:06,550
It's a bad thing.

910
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:07,390
It's a bad thing.

911
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:08,310
It's a bad thing.

912
01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:09,590
But I need to understand.

913
01:17:09,650 --> 01:17:11,110
We're supposed to read budget tonight.

914
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:12,330
We met that obligation.

915
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:15,460
This one.

916
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,340
This link.

917
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:17,880
But we were told.

918
01:17:18,460 --> 01:17:20,360
The race already 89 cents.

919
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:23,760
So it doesn't need to be voted on if it's not going to be changed.

920
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:29,340
So the words of Deputy City Manager Greg Patrick, the race already 89 cents.

921
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:31,820
It doesn't need to be voted on unless it's going to be changed.

922
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,740
That is contradictory to state law.

923
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:38,480
And in addition to that, it's pretty clear.

924
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,440
You don't have to be an attorney to read it.

925
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:50,000
So Mr. Mayor, I've got the floor, and the thing about this to me, that is just very interesting.

926
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:55,520
One is, I just want to point out that I did not appreciate the Tyler Tory comments made by my council member here.

927
01:17:55,900 --> 01:18:00,700
Mr. Reid over there saying that there was a threat. There was no threat in the last meeting.

928
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:06,360
And council member Reid, there was no threat. There was no threat.

929
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,200
I do not appreciate the dietary comments made by Councilmember Reed.

930
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,800
I'm quite frankly, it doesn't help us to do those things.

931
01:18:14,180 --> 01:18:20,980
But what I will say is, substance and information that leads us to making decisions

932
01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:25,460
needs to be properly recorded and needs to be accounted for.

933
01:18:25,660 --> 01:18:28,560
It is absolutely germane.

934
01:18:28,580 --> 01:18:34,260
But there's one thing to me that was most interesting that Councilmember Reed stated

935
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:41,740
that was a shock to me, is that the city attorney was involved in reviewing the minutes.

936
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:43,120
That's news to me.

937
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:43,840
I didn't know that.

938
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:49,540
So I just found out from Council Member Reed, and is that true, Mr. Friedman?

939
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,440
Did you help the clerk review the minutes?

940
01:18:52,020 --> 01:18:53,960
Yeah, I help her review the minutes.

941
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:59,780
I checked to make sure whether or not when she asked if something was material to a vote

942
01:18:59,780 --> 01:19:03,400
or a motion and gave my legal opinion on it.

943
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:08,920
So, so, one of the other things that was left out was the same comment was made by

944
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:16,540
City Attorney Matthew Friedman that if we left the 89 cent tax rate that the 89 cent tax rate

945
01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:22,340
would remain, even with the assessments, having not acted on the vote.

946
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,320
So now the same attorney that gave us that advice also weighed in on whether or not that was

947
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,200
your main to the minutes.

948
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:35,060
Well, I mean, that's what I think you just said, Mr. Mr. Mayor.

949
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,100
I'm being interrupted by a staff member, Mr. Mayor.

950
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:38,940
And I don't appreciate that.

951
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:50,900
So it is a factual thing that occurred to City Attorney and the Deputy City Manager

952
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:59,380
told us that the real estate tax rate would remain the same if we didn't do anything about it.

953
01:19:59,380 --> 01:20:05,660
That's not what state code says, state code says, equalization plus 1%, that's what it says.

954
01:20:06,220 --> 01:20:12,120
We were advised by the city attorney and the deputy city manager that that's what would have it.

955
01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:23,130
And that is what we've been told in the document that we've been provided by the clerk,

956
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:28,010
which Madam Clerk, I'm now asking that the document and the email that you provided,

957
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:32,790
made a part, I'm formally asking that that is a part of the official record for tonight's meeting.

958
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:38,050
Because that contains hyperlinks to all of our emails and all the information that was provided

959
01:20:38,050 --> 01:20:43,530
with these requests, but we are being told that that was not your main.

960
01:20:44,490 --> 01:20:45,170
Now,

961
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:56,120
I'm unsure how advice from a professional deputy city manager in city attorney that

962
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:01,620
It leads to the decisions of the governing body is not germane.

963
01:21:03,980 --> 01:21:11,180
And I'm actually thankful to find out that there was some guidance into this.

964
01:21:11,540 --> 01:21:14,680
And it is quite concerning to me.

965
01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:21,360
And the second piece that you're going to hear me say something that Mr. Mayor, you're going

966
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:27,260
The entire public is about to hear me say something, you'll probably only hear me say one time.

967
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:40,060
Thank you to the Lynchburg Democrat Committee and Randy Smith for recording and publishing the meeting that did not get recorded.

968
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:44,220
That did not get recorded by the staff.

969
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:53,180
So the June 23rd work session that we came into, the audio for all of that is actually hidden

970
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:54,980
behind the screen.

971
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:57,020
Oh, you got to do a turn the volume up.

972
01:21:57,660 --> 01:22:03,620
And the vote that was made is on video from the Lynchburg Democrat Committee, the vote

973
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:06,540
that you went over that is not included in our minutes.

974
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:09,420
The Lynchburg Democrat Committee published that video.

975
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:15,740
And those three minutes of audio have been removed from the YouTube video, Mr. Bayer.

976
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:22,920
I understand that, but the city's official YouTube video, the audio was removed.

977
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,500
Mr. Bayer, I'm just pointing out the truth and the facts.

978
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:29,980
Man, my point of order is that a courting room was missing.

979
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,920
Mr. Speaker, our time is expired on debate. We should vote on the substance yesterday.

980
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,120
Just like the suggestion. We should vote on the substance.

981
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,760
Just like the suggestion. We should vote on the substance too.

982
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:42,620
We should vote on the substance too.

983
01:22:42,620 --> 01:22:42,620
No,

984
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:48,860
there was a point of order that's being rolled on.

985
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,860
You got to roll it.

986
01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:57,020
My point of order is that's to move vote.

987
01:22:58,660 --> 01:23:01,400
So I'll just put this out there for the record to the staff.

988
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,260
I'd like to know where the three minutes of audio is that was missing from the YouTube video.

989
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:13,780
And I will provide the link from the link for Democrat committee, YouTube video that shows fully, fully documented,

990
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:18,940
a vote by the city council that is not recorded in the minutes that is not published anywhere.

991
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,460
Thank you, Randy Smith and the link for Democrats for reporting out.

992
01:23:23,740 --> 01:23:25,520
Still vote.

993
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:26,460
Missing the vote now.

994
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:27,060
We're voting.

995
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:27,900
What are we voting on?

996
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:28,460
We're voting on the vote.

997
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:35,600
It's a substitute motion to replace the main motion, which is to approve the minutes as a whole.

998
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:43,820
So if you vote yes on this particular motion, then it would be considered with Council members requested change.

999
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:44,480
Yes.

1000
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:44,620
Yes.

1001
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,120
That was not the next.

1002
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:46,380
No.

1003
01:23:46,940 --> 01:23:49,420
I want them to reset the substitute motion please.

1004
01:23:50,420 --> 01:23:52,840
The substitute motion has three parts.

1005
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:59,280
First, that it would include the advice given by Mr. Friedman and Mr.

1006
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:05,660
Greg Pactric in the minutes describing that we would remain at the 89 cents rather than

1007
01:24:05,660 --> 01:24:11,120
Comfort was state code that it would be equalization plus 1% as stated in Virginia law.

1008
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:17,400
Point two that the minutes would reflect that no vote was taken for a German during the June

1009
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:23,100
twenty-third meeting, that those minutes would be corrected to reflect that no vote was taken.

1010
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:29,640
And then the June twenty-fourth meeting that the minutes would be changed to correctly reflect,

1011
01:24:29,820 --> 01:24:34,700
that a vote was taken on June twenty-fourth to adjourn the June twenty-third meeting.

1012
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,160
That vote needs to be included.

1013
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:44,490
The vote has been initiated.

1014
01:25:01,130 --> 01:25:02,370
So, waiting on several votes?

1015
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:10,520
Mayor, request a roll call,

1016
01:25:14,190 --> 01:25:19,000
I request a roll call, do you give it up?

1017
01:25:19,820 --> 01:25:21,040
Roll call that?

1018
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:21,800
Roll call, go.

1019
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,820
I vote no.

1020
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:25,040
Calzone admissions?

1021
01:25:25,660 --> 01:25:26,140
Yes.

1022
01:25:27,420 --> 01:25:27,920
Calzone agreed?

1023
01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:28,820
Nope.

1024
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:30,740
Calzone were timmer?

1025
01:25:30,860 --> 01:25:31,420
Yes.

1026
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:32,860
Calzone were waltre?

1027
01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:33,380
No.

1028
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,280
Bice Mayor Deamer?

1029
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:35,760
Yes.

1030
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:36,580
Mayor Taylor.

1031
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:38,240
No.

1032
01:25:38,980 --> 01:25:39,720
The motion fails.

1033
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,920
So the main motion is on the floor which was to move items 1, 3, 5.

1034
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,180
All right.

1035
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:53,360
All right.

1036
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:53,980
Full of proof.

1037
01:25:56,860 --> 01:25:57,280
Mr. Mayor.

1038
01:25:58,380 --> 01:25:58,860
I have a motion.

1039
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:59,580
Mr. Mayor.

1040
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:00,800
Yes. There is a motion.

1041
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:01,860
We already have motion.

1042
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:03,980
There's been no discussion on this.

1043
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:04,540
Mr. Mayor.

1044
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,100
We have no discussion on this.

1045
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,520
We have not had discussion on this.

1046
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:08,900
We have no discussion on this.

1047
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,760
I would like to speak more quickly to this.

1048
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:13,080
And since we made the motion in the second.

1049
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:15,360
There are 30 minutes passes to our.

1050
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:15,760
Yes.

1051
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,960
No, it's a different motion.

1052
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:19,340
No, it's the same.

1053
01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:20,460
All the same is going on.

1054
01:26:20,580 --> 01:26:22,440
It is show us.

1055
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:26,080
Do you like the section here?

1056
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:26,860
Mr. Freeman.

1057
01:26:27,340 --> 01:26:31,580
Mary, all of this is connected to the same manner.

1058
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:33,100
The substitute motion was the same.

1059
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,440
The main motion was on the same subject.

1060
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,880
You have the ability to call for the vote at this point.

1061
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:39,020
Yes.

1062
01:26:39,020 --> 01:26:39,780
I have a call.

1063
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:40,780
Mr. Mayor.

1064
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,240
I'd like to amend the motion.

1065
01:26:46,990 --> 01:26:47,410
Mr. Mayor.

1066
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:53,930
the boat has over there. I'll try to get your attention and get the floor. You would not, you wouldn't recognize me.

1067
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:54,910
The boat has over there.

1068
01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:57,350
Tower of getting shut down by you, Mr. Mayor, to be honest with you.

1069
01:26:58,050 --> 01:26:59,230
Well, you can shut down again.

1070
01:26:59,910 --> 01:27:04,630
Well, if you're just hiding the truth, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor, I'm tired of the cover-ups for city staff.

1071
01:27:04,930 --> 01:27:06,290
I'm not covering up for anybody.

1072
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:08,610
Yeah, you're allowed to amend the motion. That's all.

1073
01:27:08,970 --> 01:27:11,410
Proper. You can amend it.

1074
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:16,630
Our rules of procedure allow us to amend a motion twice.

1075
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:18,610
Okay.

1076
01:27:19,670 --> 01:27:20,850
All right, Mr. Mayor.

1077
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:26,660
I'm going to amend the motion on the floor to adopt all the minutes.

1078
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:27,530
Mayor.

1079
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:29,010
And you can't.

1080
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:29,430
He can't.

1081
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:29,490
He can't.

1082
01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:29,790
He can't.

1083
01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:30,450
He can't.

1084
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:30,470
He can't.

1085
01:27:31,390 --> 01:27:31,810
He can't.

1086
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:38,410
He can't.

1087
01:27:38,410 --> 01:27:47,550
the timestamp YouTube links that show the comments that were made by Mr. Patrick and Mr.

1088
01:27:47,650 --> 01:27:54,410
Friedman. And I have a hard copy, in case you got the lead of the video published by the

1089
01:27:54,410 --> 01:28:03,030
Lensburg Democrat Committee, showing what happened on the 24th, and I'd like to amend the

1090
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:08,250
motion to insert that in the official record as well available to the citizens online.

1091
01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:13,410
because apparently the audio was cut off while we were talking about it.

1092
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:15,150
But all the audio's there, you got to turn it up.

1093
01:28:15,250 --> 01:28:19,350
There's actually a nice exchange between Ms. Whitt and Mr. Patrick,

1094
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:20,110
that you can hear.

1095
01:28:20,510 --> 01:28:21,710
Would you like to second that amendment?

1096
01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:23,310
So that's my amended motion,

1097
01:28:23,530 --> 01:28:26,150
is that we include what actually happened with the minutes.

1098
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:30,350
This is all the minutes.

1099
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:32,870
We'll take all the minutes.

1100
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:35,990
We'll adopt it, but to include those links with the minutes,

1101
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:36,710
show what happened.

1102
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:40,390
Go, sir.

1103
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:43,750
You're just sick and less vote.

1104
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:47,210
No, it's going 30 minutes or so.

1105
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:52,610
I am a fault at this.

1106
01:28:52,810 --> 01:28:54,070
You can laugh all you want.

1107
01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:55,030
I really don't care.

1108
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:56,630
I'm not surprised for all.

1109
01:28:57,990 --> 01:29:01,690
This is so disgusting that we're allowing.

1110
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:04,370
Yeah, you know, Mr. Mark can say,

1111
01:29:04,590 --> 01:29:06,650
I'm not surprised that after I speak,

1112
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:08,390
people are going to defend the staff.

1113
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:16,150
What are you doing to cover your own selves and what you are trying to defend yourself

1114
01:29:16,150 --> 01:29:23,670
of doing and how you voted, you're sitting here literally, defaming two people's their

1115
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:25,650
information involves things that didn't happen.

1116
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:32,510
I'm speaking, you are affecting two men's careers, how dare you, and you of all people

1117
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:36,430
should understand what that's like, and you should too miss Tim or you should know exactly

1118
01:29:36,430 --> 01:29:37,390
what I'm talking about.

1119
01:29:37,390 --> 01:29:43,390
And the fact that y'all are sitting here doing this and they don't have a, they are not giving the right to speak for themselves.

1120
01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:46,510
I am allowed to speak. You've had plenty of time.

1121
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:47,890
Point of order.

1122
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:50,870
I, you've been given plenty of time.

1123
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:51,250
Point of order.

1124
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:54,310
And you don't shut down one second when he tells you to be quiet.

1125
01:29:54,450 --> 01:29:56,170
So I'm going to speak. I have the floor.

1126
01:29:56,230 --> 01:29:56,690
Point of order.

1127
01:29:56,710 --> 01:29:59,970
There are two men who have not been given a voice.

1128
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
To defend themselves, they have careers, and they have families. And you guys have sat here and done nothing but attack them. And they have to sit here and take it. And they can't sit here and say their explanation and over and over and over and over and over and over again. You sit here and criticize them. And the whole city listens to it. And it's going to be printed in the paper. And you guys are going to use it for sound bites. It's disgusting. And it's her political reasons. I don't want to hear a thing about it because here's the

1129
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:39,460
You want people to believe and then other people do not get a chance to defend themselves and it's not right.

1130
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:46,920
It is not right. There may be things that all of us can explain if we had a chance.

1131
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,620
But they had to sit here and be quiet.

1132
01:30:49,460 --> 01:30:52,500
And then you guys can go on on was this pre-planned a hundred percent?

1133
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,860
There's a whole binder over there. This was completely planned.

1134
01:30:55,860 --> 01:30:58,520
And again, we're given two weeks to do this.

1135
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:03,540
This was a stunt to excuse or defend the border with their men.

1136
01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:09,340
That they didn't want for five meetings that they wanted to cover up for themselves and explain

1137
01:31:09,340 --> 01:31:13,440
the way votes that they were not comfortable doing after the fact.

1138
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,100
And they're going to throw city staff under the bus.

1139
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:17,340
I will not be part of this.

1140
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:18,300
It's not okay.

1141
01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:20,040
It's not okay.

1142
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,380
And you can point about it all day long.

1143
01:31:22,380 --> 01:31:27,160
It's germane to the subject. We had to listen to 30 minutes of someone else throwing people under the bus.

1144
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:32,760
I'm going to defend them. This is not right for A1. It is not right.

1145
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:38,140
They already the facts, Mr. Mayor. We can call a vote, but I will please do not support.

1146
01:31:38,340 --> 01:31:42,380
I'm sending anything that's going to say that makes it look like we're standing behind what was just

1147
01:31:42,380 --> 01:31:47,600
under our staff. It's not okay. Mr. Mayor, point of order. Three, four, A1.

1148
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,980
dilatory, dilatory remarks, Mr. Mayor,

1149
01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:51,940
or completely out of order, and that's with that voice.

1150
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:53,740
She was speaking to the subject.

1151
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:55,320
No, she was speaking to the subject.

1152
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:56,580
She was speaking to the subject.

1153
01:31:56,580 --> 01:31:56,840
She was speaking to the subject.

1154
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,320
She was speaking to the subject because these things

1155
01:31:59,320 --> 01:31:59,980
has happened.

1156
01:32:00,340 --> 01:32:00,680
Ms. Timma.

1157
01:32:00,940 --> 01:32:01,960
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1158
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,320
For a second.

1159
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,960
I actually really appreciate the Ms. Reed brought up

1160
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,260
the ability to defend yourself,

1161
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:11,360
because that is the primary part of my rules proposal

1162
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:12,940
that I really hope we all pass.

1163
01:32:13,780 --> 01:32:17,580
So I think that's an excellent thing

1164
01:32:17,580 --> 01:32:21,800
to bring up, and I really hope that we can pass that as it comes for it in the rule proposal.

1165
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:27,300
I also try and strike the dilatory remarks because I think it gets applied arbitrarily.

1166
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:35,340
So there was a perfect example of the hope that I have for my rules package to help bring

1167
01:32:35,340 --> 01:32:44,220
tensions down on council, but in response to some of those remarks, it is very important that

1168
01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:46,160
minutes reflect the facts.

1169
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:51,320
It's not character assassination to bring forward a quote

1170
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,720
and to discuss the merits of what we're debating

1171
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:55,660
as a counsel.

1172
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,960
That's actually, that's our jobs, that's staff's job,

1173
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:00,800
and it should be reflected in the minutes.

1174
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:02,920
You know,

1175
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,240
we have to be about truth, Mr. Mayor.

1176
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:14,940
And if we're not going to be about what happened

1177
01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:17,220
and making sure that it's accurate in the record,

1178
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:20,740
But if we're not going to record a vote that took place,

1179
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,320
if we're not going to put that in our minutes,

1180
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:27,860
those are the issues at hand.

1181
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:29,580
Those are the issues at hand.

1182
01:33:30,660 --> 01:33:32,840
And, you know, Mr. Missions has brought this up.

1183
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,020
I've brought this up.

1184
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:37,100
I was very intentional in these remarks

1185
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:38,620
to keep it factual.

1186
01:33:38,860 --> 01:33:40,140
Everything here is cited.

1187
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:41,880
Everything is cited.

1188
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,300
And it all has time stamps.

1189
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:46,560
I mean, part of the reason it's so thick

1190
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,700
is because it's citations to support the information

1191
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:53,940
that's being put forward in order to make sure

1192
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:55,200
that it's accurately reflected.

1193
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:57,440
That's our job.

1194
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,940
So again, thank you for bringing up the need

1195
01:34:03,940 --> 01:34:08,080
to be able to defend ourselves against accusations

1196
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:09,520
that are brought on council.

1197
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:11,040
I think that's very significant

1198
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,940
and should be added to our rules of procedure.

1199
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:18,680
I think we should remove the delutory, delutatory, I always mispronounce it, remarks.

1200
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:22,380
But these three components need to be added to our minutes.

1201
01:34:22,740 --> 01:34:28,980
They happened, they're sighted, let's add them and move on so that the minutes just accurately

1202
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:29,900
reflect what happened.

1203
01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:31,460
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1204
01:34:33,250 --> 01:34:34,050
It's a useful road.

1205
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:37,670
I'm just going to say directly when needs to happen.

1206
01:34:38,730 --> 01:34:48,230
At this point, call for a vote on all five minutes and we vote and we move on and we do

1207
01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:52,890
so because the rules empower us to do what we need to do and move on.

1208
01:34:53,230 --> 01:34:54,670
So that's what I would encourage you to do.

1209
01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:58,970
And I'm not going to engage the vice mayor because he was staring me down for about 30 seconds

1210
01:34:58,970 --> 01:35:02,810
and I'm not going to take it from him, even though he wants to pretend that he sees

1211
01:35:02,810 --> 01:35:06,210
somewhat better than me because he's 35 years older than I am.

1212
01:35:06,210 --> 01:35:06,550
to

1213
01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:12,310
the man in the second.

1214
01:35:12,610 --> 01:35:12,930
It's OK.

1215
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:14,670
The man in the second.

1216
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:15,870
Speak to your second.

1217
01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:17,170
I'm not the second.

1218
01:35:18,050 --> 01:35:18,210
Heavy?

1219
01:35:19,210 --> 01:35:20,470
I have a second on me, I'm not.

1220
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:28,910
I'm just going to say that if you still think we follow these rules, OK?

1221
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:33,430
Whether you're a Republican Democrat, I don't care what.

1222
01:35:33,570 --> 01:35:35,250
Part of the city you're from.

1223
01:35:35,470 --> 01:35:36,710
I don't care if you're a man or a woman.

1224
01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:39,490
If you think we follow these rules, listen to me.

1225
01:35:40,490 --> 01:35:44,610
closely. Section five, dash two, D,

1226
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:48,340
the item, this is under

1227
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:54,540
consent agenda. The item shall be considered separately. We're not following that.

1228
01:35:56,500 --> 01:36:01,060
You know, I listen to us discuss these minutes up there, are these rules upstairs,

1229
01:36:01,860 --> 01:36:06,880
and you would think they were the Bible, but I've also heard our city attorney say

1230
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:11,400
that, well, they're just here for the comfort and convenience of counsel.

1231
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,240
Where, where are we that is?

1232
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:15,260
I mean, it's convenient.

1233
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:17,520
Trash can.

1234
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:19,600
Let me read another one.

1235
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,740
Section 6.4, action by the council.

1236
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,220
Still think we're following our rules that there are a Bible.

1237
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,700
Biders of business will be considered in dealt with one at a time.

1238
01:36:35,310 --> 01:36:36,930
Still think we're following our rules.

1239
01:36:39,490 --> 01:36:40,450
We talked about it upstairs.

1240
01:36:40,670 --> 01:36:41,430
Don't interrupt.

1241
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:46,010
How many times has it been interrupt interruptions tonight?

1242
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,360
You still think we're following our rules?

1243
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,780
It's apparently not convenient tonight to follow our rules.

1244
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,660
It also says we're supposed to give a full discussion of everything.

1245
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:02,080
And I've asked for multiple times for him to cite the 30-minute rule.

1246
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:03,120
And he refuses.

1247
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:09,800
So, okay, if it's not there, why do you keep bringing it up?

1248
01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:11,580
Is that like the magic tax increase?

1249
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,200
It's just there when you need it and not when you know.

1250
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,060
You know, we've got a decision to make his council.

1251
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:18,860
Just truth matter.

1252
01:37:20,420 --> 01:37:27,280
because Ms. Timbers absolutely right, her motion and this amendment should pass, we're

1253
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,960
barely getting a chance to deal with the very suffering.

1254
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:38,360
Senate issues that we raised about the minutes, not being truthful, not being accurate. Truth and

1255
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:44,000
accuracy should matter. You say you're transparent, you say you're open, but if you're covering

1256
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:51,640
up what staff does in the minutes, that's not truthfulness. That's not openness. Throne words

1257
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:58,140
condemned them. We heard it. I heard it. We all heard it. You told us. It's 89 cents if we do

1258
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:06,580
I don't ask for you to step in here, okay, this isn't the time for me to debate staff.

1259
01:38:07,180 --> 01:38:13,100
Your own words are your worst enemy, and I got it, I got it from him.

1260
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:16,620
And then I heard twice from our city attorney who should know better.

1261
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,380
I asked him, state law supersedes over your magic tax increase.

1262
01:38:21,380 --> 01:38:27,800
ordinance, yes it does, at that point you had a responsibility to the people of Lynchburg,

1263
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:35,020
to say so my ordinance is not what should be packed on here. What should be acted on here

1264
01:38:35,020 --> 01:38:41,480
is the laws that are in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the code of our state. That is what

1265
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:48,100
should apply, that should supersede, and that code that Mr. Timmerred twice says very clearly,

1266
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:58,700
If we did nothing, it goes to equalization, 76.7, plus 1%, so that is stay code.

1267
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,480
That is the advice that anybody, you don't need to be an attorney.

1268
01:39:03,340 --> 01:39:06,360
She read it to us, he heard it, he says right next door.

1269
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:14,400
And we still went and voted for a massive million dollar tax increase.

1270
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:23,900
And tonight we were asked to vote on the fourth quarter of a budget, I've been told and

1271
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:26,780
gaslight it and you're believing it's past.

1272
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,860
Then why are you asking me for my vote again?

1273
01:39:31,970 --> 01:39:38,510
If we have a balanced budget to pass, why am I voting on expenses and income for the fourth

1274
01:39:38,510 --> 01:39:40,570
quarter of 2025?

1275
01:39:41,410 --> 01:39:47,870
If it passed, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not yielding the floor to hit this point.

1276
01:39:48,090 --> 01:39:55,370
I'm speaking to my second, and you are not elected member. You are not elected, not.

1277
01:39:55,690 --> 01:40:00,750
And I didn't ask for your advice. And there's a reason I don't almost ever ask for your advice.

1278
01:40:01,170 --> 01:40:06,410
Because the advice you give me is it's so questionable. I don't have to be an attorney.

1279
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:13,330
know it's wrong. You know, it's sad. I don't want to embarrass you. It's not my goal.

1280
01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:18,450
But I need advice that I can make decisions on that are multi-million dollar decisions.

1281
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:23,930
And I need the full information to make that informed decision. And when I'm getting

1282
01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:30,570
information from the Deputy City Manager Greg Patrick says it's 89 cents if we do nothing.

1283
01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:32,430
And I'm getting it from you twice.

1284
01:40:32,910 --> 01:40:35,890
And even Sterling Wilder asks, so what you're saying is,

1285
01:40:36,150 --> 01:40:40,850
we're not good in anything here about the tax rate?

1286
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:44,830
No, I'm just a motion to have anything to do with tax rate.

1287
01:40:45,210 --> 01:40:49,110
All year long, he talked about the tax rate and the car tax

1288
01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:52,850
and he convolled it those two issues into one.

1289
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:55,770
And now we're being told that because it was a car tax motion

1290
01:40:55,770 --> 01:41:00,470
that suddenly all of our requests and changes are not germane

1291
01:41:00,470 --> 01:41:02,550
because they were about the real estate.

1292
01:41:03,230 --> 01:41:05,990
I mean, they convoluted those two issues multiple times.

1293
01:41:06,730 --> 01:41:08,730
And I don't even accept that they're not germane.

1294
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:11,490
Most of your objections to our diminished changes,

1295
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:14,410
which obviously came from you, not from the clerk,

1296
01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:17,290
about whether they were germane or not.

1297
01:41:18,110 --> 01:41:19,550
Whether they were germane or not.

1298
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:22,890
Germane is a parliamentary procedure, not a minutes thing.

1299
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:29,730
Can you can either one of you two tell me where there's a side of code reference somewhere or our rules?

1300
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:39,090
Which says that minutes have to be a germane just a simple question. Here's your chance. They answer point of order. Is there anywhere it says it has to be germane point of order

1301
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:45,410
Lord Murdy's point of order

1302
01:41:52,890 --> 01:41:53,890
You have to beat you.

1303
01:41:54,090 --> 01:41:54,210
Brace it.

1304
01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:54,870
You have to beat you.

1305
01:41:54,930 --> 01:41:56,330
Brace it.

1306
01:41:56,330 --> 01:41:57,410
I mean, is this thing on?

1307
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:59,890
Or is that just going to be this?

1308
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:02,760
And we can hear you.

1309
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,360
You are out of line.

1310
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:06,300
You want to honor Charlie Kirk?

1311
01:52:08,110 --> 01:52:13,990
May I have a motion to vote on the consent agenda.

1312
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:21,790
Mr. Mayor, there is a amended motion that has been properly

1313
01:52:21,790 --> 01:52:25,730
seconded ending before the body. Okay,

1314
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:29,870
let's vote on.

1315
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:52,900
The amended motion. The amended motion is to adopt the minutes with the inclusion of the YouTube links, reference, showing the comments, regarding the real estate tax, rate remaining the same, and also incorporate, however, we can get a video into public record.

1316
01:52:52,900 --> 01:53:00,180
The Lynchburg Democrat Committee's video showing the vote that took place.

1317
01:53:00,620 --> 01:53:13,960
Lynchburg Democratic Committee, excuse me, showing the motion and the vote that took place

1318
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:24,400
Well, the audio was cut off on our YouTube feed for City Council on June 24th.

1319
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,600
That's the motion.

1320
01:53:27,620 --> 01:53:28,400
That's the motion.

1321
01:53:34,010 --> 01:53:40,130
I don't know that we have that as something in our rule of the procedure to repress

1322
01:53:40,130 --> 01:53:41,550
the rule quo vote.

1323
01:53:41,690 --> 01:53:45,150
I'm wondering, is that it's not being done for you to lead him out of vote, is it, Mr.

1324
01:53:45,230 --> 01:53:45,410
Ferroly?

1325
01:53:45,610 --> 01:53:47,870
No, it's being clear to the public that's exactly what I'm telling.

1326
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:49,790
One minute clear when it's on the board.

1327
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:52,430
I want to clear when it's in the minutes.

1328
01:53:52,690 --> 01:53:55,150
Mayor, I'm not going to argue with the questions about how I want to vote.

1329
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:55,950
Let's just vote.

1330
01:53:58,500 --> 01:53:58,860
Yes, please.

1331
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,380
Let's just vote.

1332
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:01,420
Thank you.

1333
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:10,080
I'm going to change that now.

1334
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:23,930
The motion mail fails 3-4.

1335
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:24,390
Mayor.

1336
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:27,190
The question.

1337
01:54:27,970 --> 01:54:28,350
The vote.

1338
01:54:28,590 --> 01:54:29,510
On my initial motion.

1339
01:54:31,300 --> 01:54:32,560
It's past the minutes.

1340
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:34,800
Let us vote.

1341
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:40,680
All right.

1342
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:41,780
Nishing vote now.

1343
01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:56,320
The motion passes 4-3.

1344
01:54:56,740 --> 01:54:57,100
Mayor.

1345
01:54:58,120 --> 01:54:58,760
Yes, sir.

1346
01:54:58,780 --> 01:54:59,340
And move me adjourned.

1347
01:54:59,940 --> 01:55:01,080
Mr. Mayor.

1348
01:55:02,940 --> 01:55:03,660
I'll be.

1349
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:05,500
Well, you know what?

1350
01:55:05,540 --> 01:55:07,900
Central Virginia Alliance for Community Living?

1351
01:55:08,140 --> 01:55:09,660
It just lost you 25,000.

1352
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:10,000
Thank you.

1353
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:10,040
Thank you.

1354
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:11,800
This is not a bit of a motion.

1355
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:13,540
Can you take a vote?

1356
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,220
I'm going to be voting against this.

1357
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,200
I'm going to say a CVACL needs their funding.

1358
01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:31,630
This is coming soon.

1359
01:55:32,450 --> 01:55:33,830
Can I ask a quick question?

1360
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:38,950
So is it anything pertinent that we need to act on?

1361
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:12,920
We're delaying law enforcement equipment, we're delaying positions for services, we're delaying funding for CVACL, all of this, most of this stuff is not enough off to the city of Lynchburg, we're delaying all of this right now, but you did, I didn't make the motion to adjourn, opponent Chris.

1362
01:56:14,500 --> 01:56:15,940
We just do this.

1363
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,540
He's people need this.

1364
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,120
I'm just telling you why I'm voting against the voting for the government.

1365
01:56:22,820 --> 01:56:24,640
So you do our business?

1366
01:56:27,710 --> 01:56:29,170
It's not personal for me.

1367
01:56:30,740 --> 01:56:32,840
Six more items on me.

1368
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:33,680
Miss Whitt.

1369
01:56:36,140 --> 01:56:38,220
They don't get these dollars today.

1370
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:44,040
If they get them, the first and next month will it be sufficient.

1371
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:48,680
I don't think there's any reason it has to be heard on tonight.

1372
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:49,680
So it's the way.

1373
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:53,820
It's a delay of two weeks.

1374
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:00,150
So two weeks to get the funding, it's going to take four weeks now.

1375
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,020
So I mean, they will be funded.

1376
01:57:04,780 --> 01:57:09,060
Well, I mean, I didn't come here to not do the business of the citizens.

1377
01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:12,480
I just want to say not a debatable motion, it needs to be considered immediately.

1378
01:57:13,420 --> 01:57:20,240
I mean, with the atmosphere we have here tonight, we need to join, go get some rest and come back.

1379
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:24,420
Wait down the list on the middle.

1380
01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:26,620
Alright, and we're missing the vote now.

1381
01:57:37,470 --> 01:57:38,830
The motion passes, 4-3.

1382
01:57:40,810 --> 01:57:42,370
Remember who walked that again?