1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 I can make you a contact information, if you'd like. 2 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:12,720 He'll be here. So Thursday, the meetings are quarterly. The next one just happens. Is 3 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:57,460 there any additions, 4 00:06:16,050 --> 00:06:25,540 Approved. The motion to bring. Second comment. I'll get used to it. My name's. Well, my name is to you. 5 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,260 That's 6 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,180 all right. This changes. All the favour to keep us saying aye. Aye. 7 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:38,520 Be opposed. All right. Now for public comments. 8 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:50,630 We'll move on to all business. The fiscal year 2027 budget update. 9 00:06:51,570 --> 00:07:00,450 So I did send out a document that's attached to the agenda online because of the deadline 10 00:07:00,770 --> 00:07:02,270 that was last week. 11 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:09,650 I did come in over the weekend and did more work to get it closer. 12 00:07:10,590 --> 00:07:15,190 So I can either, I can, we can discuss either one of those versions. 13 00:07:15,910 --> 00:07:21,690 My recommendation would be we discussed the latest and greatest, the things that have 14 00:07:21,690 --> 00:07:28,510 change are, I have all of the state revenues with the exception of the fuel tax and I'm 15 00:07:28,510 --> 00:07:35,030 confident that my estimate will be close. It will not be measurably different when the 16 00:07:35,030 --> 00:07:44,730 fuel tax comes in. The other change was the medical benefits for staff. As you are aware, we've 17 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:53,990 changed the employee participation rates we had and we offered an HMO plan this year. 18 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:59,190 We had 40 staff members opt for the HMO plan. 19 00:07:59,810 --> 00:08:06,470 People migrated from plan to plan so when it all shook out and I put the actuals into 20 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:11,070 the budget there was an additional $99,000 worth of savings to the city. 21 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:16,190 So, good news. So, Harold, if you'd put my screen up, please. 22 00:08:24,850 --> 00:08:26,110 And I went through and I 23 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:33,410 adjusted all the actual risk for fiscal 26. And I will happily give you a copy of this 24 00:08:33,410 --> 00:08:40,850 today. So, the good news is, because I did it over the weekend generally, that was the end 25 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:49,090 And August, so I had 11 months worth of data so I could more accurately analyze the revenues. 26 00:08:50,450 --> 00:08:57,770 So based on our conversations and the last meetings, the CRA is funded at 50%. 27 00:08:58,850 --> 00:09:06,570 I was instructed to leave in the intersection, rails to trails, and to leave in the flock 28 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:18,930 cameras at a 4.35. That means the journal fund now has a very modest surplus of $286,000. 29 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:29,870 I have gotten the question, what my recommendation would be for a target. I have two answers to 30 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:36,310 question. First is if I were designing this with optimally 31 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:42,990 based on what we 32 00:09:42,990 --> 00:09:49,970 think will happen on November 3rd, I would prefer that there be somewhere in 33 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:59,350 the neighborhood of $750,000 or plus. However, I don't think that's possible. That 34 00:09:59,350 --> 00:10:02,130 would require responding another half million dollars. 35 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:10,150 This was about half of what we're 36 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:17,710 going to lose next year. So kind of splitting the baby if we find half of it this year, if 37 00:10:18,290 --> 00:10:23,970 amendment free passes. So we'll lose somewhere in the order of a million six. The latest 38 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:30,110 assessment is a million six. So what percentage of our cash fairs would be affected by? 39 00:10:31,510 --> 00:10:36,830 That I can't tell you. I mean almost all of the $250,000 year one. 40 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,260 We're primarily a bedroom community. I know there are some rentals and there are some second 41 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:51,540 homes, but it's primarily a bedroom community. So I would imagine it would be a not high percent. 42 00:10:54,300 --> 00:11:04,660 Anyway, so while I'm encouraged that we have a surplus, I don't want us to assume that 43 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:11,280 this is, we're all set, everything's fine, mission accomplished kind of thing. 44 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:17,480 I want to make sure that we all understand that there's a second step and the second step 45 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:23,720 is November and we don't really know what the outcome of the second step is and because 46 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:33,260 I am extraordinarily conservative, just physically, I hesitate to say that this 47 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:35,900 is done. 48 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:45,720 So do you have suggestions where you're going to find another 400 and 75,000 as far as that 49 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,880 you would recommend to the committee to be able to look in and see if that is something 50 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:57,380 we agree with. I mean you guys see the numbers on the top. You mean if you get to that 51 00:11:57,380 --> 00:12:03,100 seven-fifth, do you have recommendations? The recommendations that we have presented have 52 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:11,280 not been welcomed. The Animal Control, the CRA, Sports and Renek, Parks and Grounds, 53 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:15,700 and 54 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:19,880 Well, sequence is going to be reduced to get that how would you reduce on 55 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:26,560 At least head count is what we're talking about we have done that this year. Okay, so we have reduced eight positions 56 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,440 Eight sworn in the police department. It's 57 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,580 Restructured and we 58 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:36,540 When it's all complete and training is over and higher down when we have more people on patrol 59 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,860 Per shift them what we did with about five officers for each 60 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:45,560 So that is being accomplished fire we reduced down 61 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:51,100 one division chief position there's not really much more to reduce and fire 62 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:57,880 overall at the time until the decision is made as you know of a consolidation 63 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:04,100 discussion animal control I think everyone knows that conversation you could 64 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:08,600 completely eliminate animal control and you would save about 200 grand a year by 65 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,140 paying the county to do it and again we are the only most quality that has an animal 66 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:21,600 control? I'm on agreement with you on that 100%. It's a nice to have when the money is there. 67 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,980 When the money really isn't there, you're looking to be able to cut it. I think that it's a lot 68 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:33,440 should read that. So I agree with you. So what else besides that trend? The elimination of the 69 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,060 CRA completely, the commission, you all recommended to do that and they cut it in half right by the 70 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,740 and the sports and rack program. 71 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,060 So if you eliminate all of your leagues, 72 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:48,680 your baseball, softball, football, soccer, 73 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,740 you're not gonna completely eliminate the department 74 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:53,960 unless we walk away from the facilities. 75 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,620 No matter what, we will still have to pay to manage 76 00:13:56,620 --> 00:13:59,320 the gym, manage the sports bar, manage the skate open. 77 00:13:59,860 --> 00:14:01,580 Now, there are some options potentially 78 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:05,600 of having some companies come in to run your leagues. 79 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Not that you would make money to do it, 80 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,980 but you may make enough to break even to take care of the facilities. 81 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,500 Do we bring any tournaments in? 82 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:20,440 Until we're bringing in revenue, we looked at what revenue could potentially be brought in on the party. 83 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,980 So we did bring in revenue, but nowhere near enough to break even in that department. 84 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,860 There are a lot of growth potential, but there's also a lot of limitations. 85 00:14:30,420 --> 00:14:35,100 When you have the public's complex and Frank Brown at the beach that are surrounded by 86 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:40,500 condes and hotels and great places, it's kind of hard to attract people to do a 87 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:44,920 tournament in the haven, though they have. I think it would be more of working on 88 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,740 an agreement with the TDC or somewhere on the beach to be an overflow, so they 89 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:53,600 could expand their tournaments, but they could also plan on the haven. People could 90 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,000 still stay at the beach and have that that effect. So we suspended lead leagues. 91 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:04,090 How many kids does that affect? A couple of thousands. 92 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:17,550 I think I'd rather be spending money on leaks than spending money on trying to build a restaurant to forget and to miss your trip. 93 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:37,800 I mean, I mean, when I don't come to dollar stuff, I'm not there either of you. Is that going to really really need a whole lot? No, so it's kind of it's kind of hard to to analyze it because when you look at the sports rack and not knowing what you would what expenses you would have without all 94 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,840 you know just trying to estimate so if you go through and you eliminate your 95 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:48,940 your referees and your uniforms and awards you save a little bit of money but 96 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:51,680 then you're also taken out the revenue and all the registration fees and 97 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,520 the rise. It's not offsetting completely but it is a little bit of saving to the 98 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,060 general fund but not enough to get that $7.50 that keep eventually. No, it's not. 99 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,600 But it wouldn't get us closer so a couple of things. The sports and 100 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:16,460 wreck were at five and a half for personal costs. And then the total total budget isn't 101 00:16:16,460 --> 00:16:22,280 only in two. School back up to that. You got to include the water park. Yes. School 102 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:30,460 up to that. We thought about the personnel. So if we sell, you have to sell the entire park. 103 00:16:30,460 --> 00:16:31,380 So 104 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:43,960 one other thing that we need to keep in mind, I keep bringing this up because I am concerned 105 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,100 about how the vote is going to go. 106 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:54,880 So this budget with the 286, can everybody see the 286 sales there? 107 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Okay. 108 00:16:55,540 --> 00:16:59,880 That's with the 4.35 that you are recommended at the last meeting. 109 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:00,500 If 110 00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:18,050 I change it to the rollback rate, which requires a 3-2 vote, we don't have 4-1. 111 00:17:19,070 --> 00:17:20,910 This is what a 3-2 gets us. 112 00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:26,370 And now, including what we have now, we're in a deficit of 384,001. 113 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:42,180 You see why I'm- 114 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:51,250 So, at the staff level, the commission ultimately is going to have to make a vote beside what they want to get rid of, what are their priorities. 115 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:59,690 The staff level, we have pretty much cut everything. Again, this budget has zero capital on that as position, first no cuts. 116 00:18:01,370 --> 00:18:02,110 No color. 117 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:11,690 Basically, to get to that, you're going to have to cut the animal control and the CRA, probably about to get that 3-8-4. 118 00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:17,610 Well, animal control is what? 200, you would say about, you would say the estimated 119 00:18:17,610 --> 00:18:22,870 about 200 grand, maybe a little lower in the first year because if we were to do 120 00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:26,750 the way with it, we would still have to, which the budget on it right now for animal control 121 00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:32,430 three look at that because it's 350 dollars you would take, I think, I don't recall. 122 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:33,730 I can't even say they're not a dead. 123 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:41,430 So commission said that, amicably yes, our decision could be, hey, we're going to have 124 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:46,670 close animal control. It's not the relationship we want to have, but you're as you could do. 125 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,760 3.73 per animal. I keep in mind about 85 of that is to renovate, to do some renovations. 126 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,700 And if we close animal control and the county, the county would be interested in using up 127 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:09,300 facilities for those $85,000, would likely still be expense this year to get a derivative. 128 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:21,520 The accounting expressed any, I mean, were they willing to come to the table to talk about it, if I may not, any further or they just said that. 129 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:33,660 So at the beginning, absolutely, there was a lot of pushback from the public and they just said, hey, we're going to look at focusing on some things at our animal shelter. 130 00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:36,540 And when we get those published up, we'll come back to the table. 131 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:39,210 Any time, Frank? 132 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:42,210 I would say for a fiscal year 28. 133 00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:47,430 So it's mostly the public that was complaining about being not the county. 134 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:50,590 Counting is okay because it's another revenue source for the crisis. 135 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:50,910 Yes. 136 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:58,360 I mean, that's still, I mean it's a big nut, $373,000. 137 00:19:59,180 --> 00:19:59,740 Right? 138 00:20:01,420 --> 00:20:02,960 How many do we have? 139 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,420 What's the head count inside? 140 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:05,380 Personnel? 141 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,080 We have three. 142 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,120 So of that $373,000, where is? 143 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,720 Two away from a person. 144 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,400 Well, what we did do with the personnel. 145 00:20:20,020 --> 00:20:24,980 So hopefully the county would offer them a position if they added positions. 146 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:31,660 But we would, if there was another position available that was not frozen or eliminated, 147 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,780 we would offer it to them if it was a fed, and if not, they would have to get their position. 148 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,300 Are there any positions available that are not frozen, that potentially they could in transfer 149 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:42,980 within the city? 150 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:43,260 Yes. 151 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:48,500 there's a couple in the enterprise by the maintenance worker positions. I'm not saying that all three of them would 152 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:54,680 but one or two of them absolutely could. But the potential of one or two or two possibly and then one cost 153 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:00,960 we could go to county types of visits so we wouldn't be leaving people hung out to drive. We decided we had the 154 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,240 ax a lot of it but there would be enough opportunity out there that they would have a position. 155 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,840 I don't 156 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:11,890 know what would take you to unwind on that. 157 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:14,680 Flip the lights off. 158 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:18,480 Move the animals to the county and that was the deal. 159 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,560 The public outcry. 160 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,440 The animal shelters too fold. 161 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:25,980 One is public safety. 162 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,720 The second is that the county is a kill shelter. 163 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,940 So we are a kill shelter as well. 164 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,340 How many of you recognize that one? 165 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:35,020 I don't have that number. 166 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,760 We are a kill shelter as well. 167 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,880 Well, however, because we only take Flint-Aven animals, 168 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:43,280 we have a little bit more space than the county does, 169 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:46,840 so they are able to keep longer to look for adoption. 170 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:50,700 So that was a misinformation about, 171 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:53,020 oh, well, the city of Flint-Aven is a no-kill shelter. 172 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,160 I don't think there's any municipality 173 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,220 but it's a no-kill shelter. 174 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:00,380 But we do not have as high statistics for sure as the government. 175 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,960 But we have to analyze that. 176 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,740 There are people that take their dogs 177 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:08,120 that they had to further their lifetime when their dog gets sick and they take him to 178 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:13,180 a bat and they put him down at the normal part of life and unfortunately for dogs that 179 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:21,460 are in shelters because they did not have anybody to care for them, I mean yes, but I really 180 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:28,320 I think that that is something that we really need to seriously go in and motion that you know 181 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:36,860 And without affecting a whole lot of people, we can go in and cut a considerable amount of budget. 182 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,020 Right, so we kind of talk about it, but that's maybe as well. 183 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:48,080 When you start finding out these different departments and prioritizing what has the most effect on all the most people. 184 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,600 I mean, of course, sports and right and parks and ground are at the top of that list of the amount of people that they have cut. 185 00:22:54,220 --> 00:23:01,900 and control, CRA, those are have the least effect on the amount of people that they affect. 186 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,940 Are there any that have contracts that require the severance package? 187 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:12,580 No sir. I don't have the only contract in Goli, currently at the city, until they hire a firm. 188 00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:17,760 I'm going to be right hand man. 189 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:29,360 I mean, it's, you know, I don't want to sound cruel about things and stuff, but I really 190 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,080 think that this is just something good. 191 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:35,760 So within the grand scheme of things, we are not going to miss, right? 192 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:40,780 I mean, like building a library, we could go and spend whatever money we want on a library, 193 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,440 how many people are really going to use it, right? 194 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,600 I go to a college and look at the library and it's like nothing there, right? 195 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:56,500 I mean, and so everything's so electronic, times changed and I think in this instance times 196 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:02,040 have changed and the luxury of having your own shelter that you can, that a manager maintain. 197 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,640 I think it's something that we need to really seriously present to the commission that unfortunately, 198 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,480 although it may not be popular with some people. 199 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:19,390 What was the pushback before? Was it just a no-kill issue or what other issues? 200 00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:21,190 It was the no-kill issue. 201 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:29,890 With animal control, with animal shelter, most of the public outcry is due to the care of 202 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:34,530 the animals that we could keep among. We've had some well-earned animals in our shelter. 203 00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:41,010 And the right that the euthanizing by counties a lot higher than Manhattan, 204 00:24:42,010 --> 00:24:44,410 That was the main pushback for me personally. 205 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:50,410 I've benefited from animal control because I live on a fairly wooded area and trap raccoons 206 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:53,550 and we've got chias and the controls come out for that kind of stuff. 207 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:59,250 We'll lose that ability or animal control for our animal control to respond directly to 208 00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:17,370 citizen issues but say there is a um in my mind if you said okay we're going to get rid of animal control 209 00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:23,870 there's a possibility that the public may step up and try to self-fund but if we're the county we 210 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:30,430 can't do that itself. There was a recent charity done by some of the 211 00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:35,270 native residents and they raised approximately $831. And that's great. Any 212 00:25:35,270 --> 00:25:40,250 any funds that we receive are much appreciated. However, you can 213 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:45,910 have a facility with $831 donations. And you can't rely on them. 214 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:50,650 Yeah, right now it's a hot topic because of the talks of eliminating it. So it's a hot topic. 215 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:54,150 six months from now, they're going to move on to something else. 216 00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:59,530 And also, we are the only city that I can find from 217 00:25:59,530 --> 00:26:02,950 Pensacola to Tallahassee that has an animal control. 218 00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:06,070 Everywhere else is performed by the counties, 219 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:10,250 except the city of Tallahassee and Leon County are two separate ones there. 220 00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:13,570 But everything that I can find we are the only city 221 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:16,310 in that spread with an animal shelter. 222 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:23,990 And when we talk about, you know, keeping animals long-term, that is wonderful and straight, 223 00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:28,850 but it's also not a taxpayers responsibility to house animals for two or three years, it's 224 00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:29,430 not about them. 225 00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:29,970 All right. 226 00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:30,610 We're doing that. 227 00:26:31,050 --> 00:26:31,550 We're doing that. 228 00:26:32,410 --> 00:26:32,810 We're doing that. 229 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:38,150 Also at the same time, a dog living in the cage for many years of its life, although it's 230 00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:39,750 being fed, it's not really in life. 231 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:49,890 So, it's not that we're being cruel by humanely utilizing an animal to recover the dignity 232 00:26:49,890 --> 00:26:57,790 of his life, but as far as on the services that I see it, what we provide, all of that 233 00:26:57,790 --> 00:27:02,670 to be provided by the county and also by private enterprise. 234 00:27:05,170 --> 00:27:10,110 I do feel that, yes, there was a public outcry, but if it comes down to it, and people have 235 00:27:10,110 --> 00:27:15,410 to call, and control, and ask, oh, police officer, they're going to want to, police officer, 236 00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,510 be there much faster than they are, they're in control. 237 00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:24,510 I'm an absolute agreeable person, I think that's the right decision to be able to make at this 238 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:24,690 time. 239 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:31,250 I think it's not that bad, but when you look at the federal services, please fire civil 240 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:31,670 war. 241 00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:33,890 I mean, certainly those things, doesn't matter. 242 00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:38,810 What are the recommendations you have? 243 00:27:38,910 --> 00:27:40,150 You said you had penciled some in. 244 00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:48,810 Well, the parks department, there are certain things that I think we can review. 245 00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:52,350 We have some contracts with some outside vendors. 246 00:27:52,350 --> 00:28:02,870 We also have internal staff members, I think it's a management issue about handling the staff and requiring more of them. 247 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:10,190 I know that from the numbers point of view I couldn't assign a dollar value on it. 248 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:20,420 It would be something that we would need the director to put input on to see if there could be budgets savings there. 249 00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:24,140 but we do have quite a few contracts outside of the city. 250 00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:24,940 What type of contract? 251 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:25,900 Long-year. 252 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:26,700 Long-year. 253 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,900 The buyer preserves putting out the pine straw, 254 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:35,940 doing the just general maintenance kind of things. 255 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120 We can't see some of the contract, or went in 256 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320 and some of them, some of the contracts, 257 00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:45,680 so if they were canceled, what would likely result 258 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,640 in needing additional personnel to keep up 259 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,500 with services they do? 260 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:55,820 And I will say, I mean, I've been in government for 20 years than the contracts, what the 261 00:28:56,540 --> 00:29:02,400 work that the contractors perform, do move a lot better than what government thinks 262 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,700 care of. 263 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,860 I mean, it is what it is. 264 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,080 There is nothing to say. 265 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:07,160 There is a good opposite of that. 266 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:07,460 That's right. 267 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:07,920 Of course now. 268 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:14,660 There is a difference when a company comes up to mode of facility here. 269 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,500 We're not the only thing they're doing for the day. 270 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:22,280 It's the only thing that our guys are doing for the day, so there's no one sent them to roll through, keep going. 271 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440 And if their ball skits a call that they have to come back here two or three times, 272 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,840 they likely don't have a job in the government role, and it is a bit different. 273 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:34,980 So some of these facilities in this environment have a contractor. 274 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,940 And do they actively go out and try to be able to bring tournaments and tourism in? 275 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:44,960 Yeah, well, it's been very good about going to a trap that he has great connections. 276 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,700 I was just probably aside from the public sports complex, I mean, Justin was probably the best 277 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:58,320 sports lead coordinator, and that's not the correct term in baking out of it for me. 278 00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:59,880 How's his people managing? 279 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:23,020 It's good to do a good job with managing those. I mean, unfortunately, you know, Justin deals with a lot of high school kids like take your eyes flash bad and work the gym and stuff. So it's not like he has a crew of, you know, people that are looking for a full career in this their full time job. He does have a lot of part timers and high schoolers, but he also does have some some full timers and the people they all do a great job. 280 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:29,980 So in the budget, those are two separate 281 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:33,400 conversations. Parks and grounds, sports and 282 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,320 rent. There are two different departments. Parks and 283 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,160 grounds has known a whole time employees. We did a little 284 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,500 readjusting with some titles here. 285 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:48,240 Sports and 286 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,680 rent has not been a half and those are primarily part 287 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,740 times. Okay, where could we make cuts in parks and 288 00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:55,920 grounds? 289 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,920 So it would actually take a little bit of 290 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,260 time, but I think if you analyze the amount of areas that the parks and grounds in 291 00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:11,600 house personnel cut and do a cost estimate on contracting more of it out, 292 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,620 I think it would be a cost that gets air on three persons cutting the contracts. 293 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,040 We did just shift a little bit parks and grounds folks cuts the wastewater 294 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,000 plant, the water plants, all of our stations and reuse sites. So we just did 295 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,660 shift one of those personnel into the enterprise ones. We looked at private 296 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:45,420 that Danny reached out, got some prices on what it would cost to have a contractor cut all of those areas, and it was cheaper to keep one person for parts, but put him split between the water and sewer department to cut all of those areas. 297 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,200 So the enterprise phone will now be taken here for all grounds. 298 00:31:51,220 --> 00:32:01,000 So, again, parks and grounds including those nine employees, some million, 54,000. 299 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:02,460 Including nine employees? 300 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,020 Yes. 301 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:07,300 So, 302 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,140 let me give you a real-world example of what's happened. 303 00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:21,640 The director came to me and asked about replacing some plant, Mr. Rail. 304 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,540 And I said he said it doesn't look good and I said, well, is it a want or is it a need? 305 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,020 He says, well, it needs to look good. 306 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:38,460 And I said in today's fiscal environment, we need to do needs, not wants to clean it up, 307 00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:44,690 get rid of the dead debris, but we're not going to replant our wants versus needs. 308 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:48,170 So those are the kind of things that we're having to make decisions on. 309 00:32:48,170 --> 00:33:01,210 So it's kind of like, I'm not convinced we need to put Christmas lights on this building under the current fiscal situation should we pay to have lights? 310 00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:04,510 I don't remember $10,000. 311 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:09,650 That's certainly two that we discussed with the Commission and it works up two or three or maybe four. 312 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:13,130 and ask them, hey, do you want to eliminate this? 313 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:15,190 And we didn't receive any feedback, 314 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:17,030 so that number is still in the budget. 315 00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:18,590 It could still be eliminated. 316 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:23,110 It's $10,000 to put lights on the building. 317 00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:25,470 Again, the wants versus the needs. 318 00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:27,350 Is it wonderful? 319 00:33:27,610 --> 00:33:28,730 I think you can afford to get four. 320 00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:30,430 Can I ask question? 321 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:33,730 What are the 4.35 came from, 322 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:37,210 said you said, it's between number or was that? 323 00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:42,510 That's the max you can go with a 4.1, but I thought anything up to 4.5. 324 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:45,770 Yeah, it was the recommendation of this committee. 325 00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:46,970 Was the 4.35? 326 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:47,830 I'm just asking. 327 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:49,870 I didn't know if there was a change. 328 00:33:50,170 --> 00:33:53,790 I know that at the last meeting, the public commissioner's reference, 329 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:57,450 whatever we went to 4.4, 4.4, 4.5, there was some other number 330 00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:59,010 with that resolved some of these issues. 331 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:01,170 Then the 4.35 is the max 4.1. 332 00:34:01,170 --> 00:34:01,770 4.1, vote. 333 00:34:01,770 --> 00:34:01,910 What's home? 334 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,030 4-6 months. 335 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:10,390 Your thing is 4.35 is 5.0. 336 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:17,950 4.3677, I ran into a day�to for simplicity. 337 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:27,610 Item will talk about last term. 338 00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:30,570 But you said we'd aromatic out of the Snake contract. 339 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:33,210 But they couldn't do it last, at least this morning. 340 00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:35,730 Oh, that was in the IT department. 341 00:34:36,670 --> 00:34:38,530 Yes, same Sarah. 342 00:34:39,330 --> 00:34:40,430 How could we get out of it? 343 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:42,150 No, it wasn't the same Sarah. 344 00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:44,190 Miss Hodges, 345 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,800 was the thing that we missed by 30 days 346 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,300 when we tried to cancel it. 347 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,080 Thank you. 348 00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:58,810 I think it was $6,000. 349 00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:18,670 No, I think it's in March. March, again. We have to. Yes, we missed the deadline to cut it off by three days. 350 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:26,710 It would not cut it off, so we had a way to pay for the $6,000 and we have it on our calendars to make sure 351 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:32,930 that we apologize this next year, but that was I think $6,000, nothing in that room. 352 00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:34,490 That is the circle and that. 353 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:35,630 Thank you. 354 00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:44,170 Well, so notice that all that's been through, we're at for a little bit down the other 355 00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:44,450 roads. 356 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:54,510 All right, so I feel compelled to bring up the CRA discussion, this budget that you're 357 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:59,010 looking at does have a 50% funding for the CRA which 358 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,020 numerically makes sense for this budget. 359 00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:14,460 However, if we fund the CRA 50% and the county would fund their side at 50%, 360 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:22,860 and over the life of the CRA, the city would be walking away from $13 million with the county money. 361 00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:23,420 You 362 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:35,970 know, you know, it also entails the city how to put it to spend it. 363 00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:36,370 Correct. 364 00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:37,490 Correct. 365 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:45,290 And I look at that, just like in the match, and if you've got a 4-0-1 tag, if you can match it, you should. 366 00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:46,270 You can't do this. 367 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:46,830 That 368 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,500 becomes a nice city, not a need, not a half to have. 369 00:36:54,180 --> 00:37:00,200 I mean, playing it for the future is definitely something you want to do, but if you have to match it, 370 00:37:00,260 --> 00:37:03,200 and you don't have the funds to match it, you just, you can't do it. 371 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,820 agreed. It's leveraged many. 372 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:14,540 Also keep in mind, it's not in the county's best interest 373 00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:21,420 to go back. We change our minds. You say, okay, 50% this year and then when we say next 374 00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:27,440 year, we want to do 75% accounting would have to agree. It's not in their best interest 375 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,260 to agree, because it's going to be saving money. 376 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,240 So whatever decision is made this year probably will be a permanent change. 377 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,640 It's also placed into the November election as well, the passes, the rate that affects 378 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640 the RAs in order, into which extent. 379 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:54,360 The whole property tax goes down to the tax pool, the base goes down, so it will be even less 380 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,220 money we would be giving. 381 00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:07,270 And keep in mind, too, when we say adding money to anything, this budget and everyone should 382 00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:07,530 know. 383 00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:12,450 I think we've stressed it, reiterated enough, fiscal year 27th budget, it's one of those 384 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:16,430 budgets that, if a vehicle breaks down, that vehicle is going to sit there, it's not like 385 00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:20,190 it's been in the past where, oh, let's move some money from this line item to cover the 386 00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:25,250 repairs, vehicle breaks down, that vehicle's not getting repaired right now. 387 00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:31,850 this budget is the tightest it's been so it's not it's not 388 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:36,830 likely that you're going to see anything be repaired that wasn't 389 00:38:36,830 --> 00:38:40,490 accounted for already. Again, every decision is going to 390 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:46,390 boil down to once versus needs. 26 was an extraordinarily tight 391 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:50,470 budget. We had some real challenges in getting things done. 392 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:53,770 27 is going to be even more so. 393 00:38:56,990 --> 00:39:01,530 So you're saying you don't want to be able to fund the CRA at 50 percent. 394 00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:05,950 You want to be able to stay in it 100 percent. 395 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,070 I would recommend splitting the baby on this one. 396 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:17,630 I would say let's go to 75 percent see how it plays out and then revisit next year. 397 00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:22,240 So I've been here, if you need, here from Ben. 398 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:22,780 Absolutely. 399 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,680 I'm sure you've got some boss Ben. 400 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:26,680 Thank you. 401 00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:30,320 It gives you a good start 402 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,780 with the summary, and then kind of, and then we'll take it from 403 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:45,140 there, and I'll probably certainly answer all of your questions you might have. 404 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:50,940 So we just extended the lifespan of the CRA by another 10 years. 405 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:59,800 So by default by state statutes, the CRA's lifespan is 30 years, ours was started in 2003 406 00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:03,460 and it was designed to expire in 2003. 407 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:09,060 Now we added another 10 years to it, so our new expiration date is 2043. 408 00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:15,460 CRA's are funded through text increment financing. 409 00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:26,040 So, the idea is, we invest some money in, we use CRA money, invest in the CRA, the property values go up. 410 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:37,220 And Joey's house, that was worth $100,000 in 2003, now has a value of $150,000, hypothetically. 411 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:46,360 And that text and the text that are assessed on the $50,000 increment that goes into the 412 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,300 CRA bucket to pay for all of these improvements. 413 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,720 So you've seen all these sidewalks here, we paid for the stage here at Checkfield Park 414 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:57,400 with CRA dollars. 415 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:05,480 Improvements to the Union Soldier Park, all of that increases the value of our homes here, 416 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,820 are real estate within the CRA. 417 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,680 We calculated, so how did the CRA perform over the last 16 years? 418 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:32,060 No, wait a minute. 2003, 23 years, right? Since its inception, the property value... 419 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:32,800 21 years. 420 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,500 21 years, the property values within the CRA actually increased by over 200%. 421 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,760 So it was designed to eliminate slum and blight. 422 00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,540 We did a study in the beginning in 2003 to identify those issues. 423 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,560 Stormwater was one of them. 424 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,940 Insufficient housing stock was another one. 425 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,380 We have a lot of vacant lots within the CRA. 426 00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:08,180 So we put all these action items in place to remedy this and updating the city infrastructure. 427 00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:16,260 You know, aging water lines, sewer lines, all of this was identified in the CRA plan to tackle with the CRA funds. 428 00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:19,880 So we've been doing this over the years. We've made some progress. 429 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,640 We have less flooding here in the CRA, but there's still some hotspots that we need to address 430 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,320 Yes, and the CRA can pay for these improvements. 431 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:47,960 So we ran some numbers and identified that the property taxes, yeah, the tax increment 432 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:54,420 over the last 21 years on average increased by 8 percent. 433 00:42:54,420 --> 00:43:03,920 That includes a hurricane that includes COVID, a real estate, in 2008 we had the real estate 434 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:15,220 bubble burst, that had a huge impact on the CRA in terms of the funding but on average 435 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:22,100 we increased the property taxes or the tax increment was on average by 8%. 436 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:30,740 If we apply that 8% to the next 16 years, we're estimating an overall revenue of $26 million. 437 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,260 13 of that $26 million will come from the county. 438 00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:39,320 And that's the number that was miscalculated. 439 00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:42,640 $26 million comes from the county, $18 million comes from the city. 440 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:43,280 Oh, yes. 441 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:52,820 This city would have to spend $17.6 million in order for the county to participate with $26 million. 442 00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:58,740 Now, I've set this schedule up in such a way that I can lay around with it. 443 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,340 Well, the other thing about it too is that county taxes aren't free for us. 444 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,620 I mean, if you're living in Lynn Haven, you're paying Bay County taxes as well. 445 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,920 One way or another, correct. 446 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,120 All right, coming out of our pocket, look to the way. 447 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,240 Yes, excellent point. 448 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:20,400 And so we would have, it's an increment financing 449 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,180 is a reallocation of taxes. 450 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640 We're not paying more taxes just because we're in the CRA. 451 00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:29,720 We're just putting some of the taxes that 452 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,660 are being collected into the CRA bucket. 453 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:36,240 So if you reduce this, you're essentially 454 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,620 giving some of that money back to the county and the county will spend it in 455 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:49,340 fountain or on the west end of the beach to do their improvements. So there are a 456 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:54,400 lot of places that are here in the city that edge on the county, the border on 457 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,420 the county. There are homes and then the next door to them it's in county. Yes, or 458 00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:59,800 process. 459 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:31,160 There are some, yes, there are some areas on place that we still have. So again, I've done this in such a way we can model this out. This is at 50%, which is what is in the budget right this minute. So in order for the city to receive $13 million from accounting, the city would participate with $8.8 million over the course of the CRA. So this is the schedule that we 460 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,040 we can use if the budget stays the way it is now. 461 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:37,860 This is a 50. 462 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:38,860 This is 50. 463 00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:53,140 Was the increase from 2022 to 2026 based on property value, I mean, it went from 176,478,575. 464 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:53,920 Yes. 465 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,000 So, my question is over that same time, Frank. 466 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,460 What did the add-on tax for the city overall increase percentage lines? 467 00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:12,720 I mean, I think you I don't have them in front of you, but I think you have eight percent increased from 25 to 26 in the 468 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,780 CRO properties. What was the general increase overall? 469 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,780 It's what I'm asking. I think we were at 3.9 for a long time and then it went up 470 00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:25,880 to 4.3 maybe and then loaded. Yeah, I don't have those numbers on 471 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:55,700 So, there is an option to, and we, if I can forget this wrong, but if the City Commission decided to eliminate the CRA 100%, the Commission could draft an ordinance that would restrict the money that we used to put into the CRA that money could be restricted to only pay a debt service, or could only, could be restricted to only pay whatever the Commission decided, but it could say, hey, we are only going to use this money to put towards the debt service plus, of course, the difference 472 00:46:55,700 --> 00:47:00,660 But it could be an additional payment to the debt service or a good take here of 473 00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:03,240 What about 30% of the payment? 474 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,560 Maybe not quite 30% 475 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:14,320 Yeah, I mean they can decide how we want to spend that money if I don't put in the CRA. So so right now we we do 476 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,920 commercial incentives and 477 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,280 residential incentives as a bank program 478 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,920 an incentive for new houses built. 479 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,380 What projects is the CRA completed that were not grant funded in the last three years? 480 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:35,380 Sidewalks on Illinois Avenue, Minnesota Avenue. 481 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:39,400 We have one right now planned for Pennsylvania Avenue. 482 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,620 The sidewalk, for example on Tennessee Avenue, 483 00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:49,840 I spend my CRA time on it but it's 100% funded through DOT. 484 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:58,240 same with the utility improvements on around 10th Street, and here on Florida and Ohio have 485 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:03,660 new improvements that we're about to start construction on. So those are all projects 486 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:09,680 that are grants that we secured after Hurricane Michael to make these improvements, and it 487 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,720 will 100% benefit the Sierra area. But it's not in the budget, really. 488 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,160 4.8 miles outside of New Zealand. 489 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,080 There's half out of there. 490 00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:18,060 These will be tip. 491 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:18,880 Yes. 492 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,580 Just bring it. 493 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,200 So I have to train the grants of Wales. 494 00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,960 Well since I've ever came any idea what that is. 495 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,220 It certainly brings that period a lot. 496 00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:30,720 So utility improvements is 5.5 million. 497 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,940 Ford on a high avenue is 4.3. 498 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,140 Tennessee Avenue is 1.2. 499 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:39,600 You should. 500 00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:40,760 Absolutely. 501 00:48:40,760 --> 00:49:01,640 So it's not just about TIFF, I guess my point is we're really using our resources and trying to find place how to maximize that by getting grants from the state from DOT to make these improvements here in our downtown area. 502 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:10,190 If somebody's tipped on the knees for sewer water in within the CRA in the six years. I've been here 503 00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:13,830 I don't know about before so you've upgraded 504 00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:19,690 Memorial Park was one of the projects is that that was was that funded from non-grants or grants 505 00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:21,610 This was funded through Sierra 506 00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:25,410 so some grants 507 00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:27,990 require a local match and 508 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:33,650 and one of the grants that is in the pipeline right now is some improvements 509 00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:39,930 around Lynn Haven Elementary School. A total of 1.5 million, we split it into 510 00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:46,390 three phases. In each phase we're proposing this was part of our application, we're 511 00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:52,310 proposing to give a $100,000 toward the project in order to get $500,000 from 512 00:49:52,310 --> 00:49:59,150 the state. And that money would come from the CRA. So this is what I'm, this is I think 513 00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:04,490 a good example to show. Yes, we have to put some money on the table, but we're also 514 00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:06,870 getting a lot of money from the state. So 515 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,860 again, reducing or eliminating the CRA does 516 00:50:17,860 --> 00:50:25,100 indeed save the general fund budget in the short run. It's a matter of, it's an error 517 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:34,040 broke, in my opinion, it would be an irrevocable decision, and we would lose whatever funding 518 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:34,720 from the county. 519 00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:40,060 What's to keep the city from going through the county so we want to reduce the CRA for 520 00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:40,760 one year only? 521 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:43,280 I guess we could say that. 522 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:44,120 I'm not sure they'd agree. 523 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:44,720 So we could. 524 00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:46,240 The county has to agree. 525 00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:46,760 Right. 526 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,540 I mean, they would be more likely to agree to that than not doing it at all, I would think. 527 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,340 What do you mean? 528 00:50:53,340 --> 00:51:00,320 I mean, if we said we're going to leave the CRA as it is and you're going to have to use your TF 600,000 to us, or we can reduce it by 529 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:09,480 50% for this one year and then we can re-address it next year if we want to care that for or not. I don't want it. It takes a county vote next year too, right? 530 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:18,260 Yeah, I mean, any kind of modification from the city would require modification from the county, which is the risk of reducing it so much. 531 00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:22,380 But I guess that's why I'm asking them could the recruitment be to reduce it just for one year? 532 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,140 I would say it's unlikely in the future commission something like that. 533 00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:32,760 I would think that if it's an ordinance that changes it modifies it. 534 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,320 So again, I don't think they can unilaterally change it on their own either. 535 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,680 So that's the discussion with the county. 536 00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:45,250 Talking about too, there's some kind of appetizer for that. 537 00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:54,430 I can tell you that R-C-R-A is not their largest C-R-A by any means, so the money that we're dealing with 538 00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:59,970 while there's a lot of money for Lynn Haven is not a lot of money for the county and the 539 00:51:59,970 --> 00:52:03,130 green scheme of things, although every dollar they spend is important. 540 00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:09,170 Panama City and Panama City Beach especially have a way to go into this. 541 00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:09,570 I agree. 542 00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:14,550 So on the screen now, it is a 75% funding, 543 00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:26,410 it is sort of easy math, it now becomes 19 million dollar participation from the county and 13 million dollar participation from the city of the course of a life of the CRA. 544 00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:26,530 All right. 545 00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:31,750 That's through the 43.43. 546 00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:46,590 Again, this 8% is a very conservative number in terms of growth forecast. 547 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:54,210 Well, it's historically accurate. 548 00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:54,750 Yes. 549 00:52:55,090 --> 00:52:55,230 Okay. 550 00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:57,790 My crystal ball is broken. 551 00:52:58,750 --> 00:53:05,410 I don't can't tell you what 2043 is going to look like or in Europe between now. 552 00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:10,250 now that statistically is a defense owner. 553 00:53:11,330 --> 00:53:14,470 There are limitations on what we can spend on money on. 554 00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:17,910 I mean, I recognize that's the reason CRA is the limitation 555 00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:19,390 as to what you can do with it. 556 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:25,750 Yes. So any activity has to be reference 557 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:29,290 back to the CRA plan. That's a document that was created 558 00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:38,410 back in 2003, and it identifies the areas that have a deficiency in where the CRA should 559 00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:39,810 focus their funding on. 560 00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:46,390 So, utility improvements within the CRA storm waters is a big item, 561 00:53:48,590 --> 00:53:49,270 improvements 562 00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:56,270 of the commercial corridor, streetscape improvements along Florida Avenue and Ohio Avenue. 563 00:53:56,270 --> 00:54:02,190 So believe it or not, they talked about rails or trails back in 2003 and it was promoted 564 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:09,470 to get, find some state money and convert the old railroad tracks into a multipurpose 565 00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:10,410 non-motorized trail. 566 00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:13,430 So, and actually there's a continuation. 567 00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:18,350 The plan is to extend the trail all the way into the fuel depots, so that's still on the 568 00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:18,970 to-do list. 569 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,900 Mr. Janky and I have also discussed the regional storm water. 570 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,320 Yes. 571 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:33,380 I'm just thinking about, you know, sewer or water storm water issues that we continue 572 00:54:33,380 --> 00:54:38,600 to face throughout the city, you know, taking some of the sludge using a flat purpose 573 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:47,940 within the CRA is a benefit and reduces the strength of puts on those requirements in those 574 00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:48,360 aerobits. 575 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,760 So this, correct me if I'm wrong, please. 576 00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:56,340 The storm water, the original storm water plan would directly finish on it. 577 00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:59,960 All of those homes down the Florida Avenue corridor, 578 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:06,060 not homes, properties, excuse me, and could alleviate 579 00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:09,080 the stormwater requirement of those properties. 580 00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:13,760 The reason we have hard time getting businesses to build 581 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,620 there is because they each have to build their own stormwater 582 00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:20,580 bond, which restricts the size of the building that they could build. 583 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,260 So if we eliminate that stormwater requirement by installing a 584 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:31,660 regional storm water pond. Now it's more attractive for businesses to move into that area 585 00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:38,200 because their footprint has just grown. Right. What is the current status of regional 586 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,200 storm water in the seal? Is there any work been done on it? We had to turn a grant down because 587 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,200 we don't own the property to construct it. 588 00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:53,060 How big of a piece of property? That was 4.7 acres 589 00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:58,440 There's a thing to, where it was at 12, 12 and 11, 590 00:55:58,660 --> 00:55:59,500 Tennessee and Alabama. 591 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,160 So my opinion would be to the city's best interest, 592 00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:10,400 to save the CRA dollars, purchase the property, 593 00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:12,840 and it would take us several years to do, 594 00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:15,240 purchase whatever property we can, 595 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,400 install the regional stormwater, 596 00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:22,520 and then revert back to our previous method 597 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,280 of utilizing the C.R.A funds. 598 00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:31,720 I think it would benefit the Florida Avenue businesses and it would attract more 599 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:32,080 groups. 600 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,960 We're currently working on a East side regional strong water facility that is 100% grant 601 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,880 fund so far. 602 00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:47,540 We've got a legislative appropriation to design it this year and then we'll be able to submit 603 00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:51,940 for either Resilio for the money, more another appropriation to construct it. 604 00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:58,200 It's over behind. I want to say no. It is behind the islands. It's just north of 605 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,580 the low islands, but south of 17th Street. I don't know. I mean, can't grip. Yes, 606 00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:04,820 or it events about a three or eight or watershed there. 607 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,380 Would that less than the impact on Ford? 608 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:10,080 No, sir. 609 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,000 Wouldn't it have any impact on that, sir? 610 00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:19,820 But it would have a positive impact on the east side of the CRA. So everything 611 00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:26,440 east of Highway 77. So although that's treatment that facilities outside the 612 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:32,740 CRA boundaries, it would have a benefit. It would create a benefit to the CRA. So 613 00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:36,660 I think with a county's approval, we could even spend some money on that. 614 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,760 I know you're looking at ways to utilize CRA firms that you haven't been doing in 615 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,480 in the past, like you, and it's a maintenance, 616 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,080 so, CRA installed, which is like a, 617 00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,520 a building, back up, they can't be used. 618 00:57:51,740 --> 00:57:51,980 The parks? 619 00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:53,260 Not historically, they're doing. 620 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:59,450 Yes, so, going back to the CRA plan, 621 00:57:59,630 --> 00:58:01,230 does this kind of my backup document, 622 00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:05,650 if you go, there are some sections that refer to this, 623 00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:09,450 whenever an infrastructure was constructed 624 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:14,130 with CRA funds, the CRA is also allowed 625 00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:18,210 to spend money on the maintenance of those infrastructure components. 626 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:25,630 So they do recognize the importance of, yes, building the infrastructure is important, 627 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:27,670 but also maintaining it is also important. 628 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,080 So we've given you lots of information. 629 00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:42,260 So what are the numbers look like with cutting the shelter and at 75 percent? 630 00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:45,390 one moment please. 631 00:58:57,830 --> 00:59:02,870 Judging from the previous commission meeting the 632 00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:08,070 commission's really looking at the 50% CRA and really in favor of the animal 633 00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:11,710 shelter I think we're gonna have a hard time swaying them to do anything else 634 00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:16,770 other than that it's not our job to swing. We just have to make rest of the nation so 635 00:59:16,770 --> 00:59:27,340 I understand. I mean I think it makes sense. I mean the CRA it's a 636 00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:31,500 the short-term fix that's going to have a long-term negative impact, I think, on the city 637 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,420 giving up those funds that we've received from the county and being able to make improvements 638 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,720 that we're probably going to have to make it simple anyway out of the other funds. 639 00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:45,580 Yeah, we may find ourselves in a year or so that this amendment, whatever we go through, 640 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,500 and as Vimbrough, we may find ourselves looking at this again next year, but doesn't it? 641 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:55,820 Yeah, I mean, if we have to find more funds next year, we're likely to have to do. 642 00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:59,880 Well, the whole budget is it's got a mess to me here. You're doing with all capitals 643 01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:13,360 Not doing any increases on salary, which is going to have an impact immediately on personnel. It's not sustainable. There is so many, just for refresher, there is so many in for the salary study. 644 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:29,980 But it is not universally applied. It will adjust for the folks who are out of class. So that's a term in the end of market. Thank you. So it would not not all employees. 645 01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:34,940 would reap the benefit of that money would bring everybody back into categories 646 01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:42,280 where we can justify their salaries. So what I have done now is I have taken out 647 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:47,580 the animal shelter I put in $150,000 as payment to the county and I have 648 01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:55,140 funded the CRA at 75% or at 343 at the 4.35. 649 01:00:55,140 --> 01:01:01,900 75. Show the 3.97. And where does it shine at at 50 percent? 650 01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:06,390 325. 651 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,760 315 in deficit. 652 01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:21,010 And that's under what's the area? 397. 653 01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:25,370 75 percent. 75 percent of the CRA and closing the animal shelter. 654 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,040 We're going to take the mill to about 4.35, close animal shelter, and this could be 50 percent on CRA. 655 01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:41,130 50 656 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,380 % on the CRA and the animal shelter is closed. 657 01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:23,620 Again, that's the 4-1 vote. 658 01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:30,180 It's the CRA at 1.75. 659 01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:38,680 We'll have that 20 if you didn't talk to me earlier. 660 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,760 Okay, so let me finish this first please and then I'll go on to the next question. 661 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,700 This is 50% CRA animal shelter is gone. 662 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:48,860 4-1 vote. 663 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,240 This is three two go. 664 01:02:59,420 --> 01:03:00,560 What was your next question? 665 01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:04,200 If you get the military four, three, five, close dental shelter, 666 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,440 and then just do a 25% cut on CRI. 667 01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:09,180 4.35? 668 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:09,880 Yes. 669 01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:13,740 And 75% of the CRI? 670 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,820 No, just for these, about 25%. 671 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,460 So the 75% was fun to get 75% not cutting in. 672 01:03:22,660 --> 01:03:22,780 Right. 673 01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:26,360 So 75% really is a 25% car? 674 01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:26,940 Yes. 675 01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:27,460 Gotcha. 676 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:27,900 OK. 677 01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:28,680 OK. 678 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,900 You can't go below 50. 679 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:31,400 OK. 680 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:31,860 OK. 681 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,500 That's what I meant. 682 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,560 That's what I meant. 683 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,100 That's what I meant. 684 01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:37,480 That's what I meant. 685 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:37,680 That's what I meant. 686 01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:38,640 Is that what you went? 687 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:39,740 35% funding? 688 01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:40,180 No. 689 01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:40,620 Yes. 690 01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:42,040 Would you have done that? 691 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:43,400 No. 692 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,140 Let's do it again. 693 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,960 75% funding for CRA and closing the animal shelter. 694 01:04:42,550 --> 01:04:55,650 I don't like it but I'm okay with it and I'm not crazy about Siri funding. I mean cutting it. I think it's a short term. I think we're sacrificing long for a game for that but I don't know if you have a whole lot of water room here. 695 01:04:56,590 --> 01:04:58,110 I'm there so 3-2 though. 696 01:04:59,910 --> 01:05:01,390 I'm sure it's not told about that either. 697 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,080 It's not all men. 698 01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:11,420 Well, I know that. 699 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:12,880 Honestly. 700 01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:16,320 And I'm not saying it's you, but I am. 701 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,860 And in my humble opinion, I see that there is a lot of money that you need on the table. 702 01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:30,360 I mean, there are any other avenues to be able to get these types of grants, 703 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,920 other than being through to see already. 704 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,340 I mean, you are like the grand theme. 705 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,500 No, I mean, we have a grand theme. 706 01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:39,960 Grand, you're right. 707 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,360 The grand theme is a second ring now. 708 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,180 It's a second ring. 709 01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:45,200 It's a second ring. 710 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:45,840 It's a second ring. 711 01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:48,740 Well, the Deutsche D.D.C.R.A. 712 01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:49,580 will leverage on this. 713 01:05:51,460 --> 01:05:52,340 We're using... 714 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,640 C.R.A. 715 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,180 which one? 716 01:05:54,700 --> 01:06:02,940 We're using our A5s to get this grant, yes and no, the CDBG grants and everything from 717 01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:05,780 the research we've done, we would have received those grants anyway. 718 01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:12,660 They do have an impact in within the CRA limits, yes, but we could have still gotten those 719 01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:12,960 grants. 720 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,580 Now, the one grant that's been talking about the same amount of schools, with a hundred 721 01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:20,180 grand match, we will utilize CRA dollars for that. 722 01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:27,000 But if we didn't have a CRA, we would likely use $100,000 search ads match, or we would have to pull it from the general fund. 723 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:34,440 But if you didn't have the CRA, that money could be in the gender fund already to buy a match. 724 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,100 We have a grant rider. 725 01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:39,980 At least more on it. 726 01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:40,320 Yes sir. 727 01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:41,740 I don't know what people are. 728 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:44,600 We do have a grant rider. 729 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:58,370 Personally, I would be in favor of doing CRA at 50% and doing my own battleship, doing both 730 01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:58,850 on the path. 731 01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:03,290 It spreads the damage a little bit and gives us a little bit of cushion for next 732 01:07:03,290 --> 01:07:03,630 year. 733 01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:05,510 And it's just sustainable, I think. 734 01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:08,830 It's not something that we're doing a one-time thing. 735 01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:13,710 50% CRA and the animal shelter goes. 736 01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:17,050 I agree with you on that. 737 01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:18,410 I think that that's where we're at. 738 01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:26,510 And, you know, I mean, on the long-term, I mean, we look at money down the road of what 739 01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:33,530 a CRA may bring in or maybe relevant, but it's just a matter, sometimes you've got to 740 01:07:33,530 --> 01:07:33,990 make decisions. 741 01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:35,910 And it will cost us funds, obviously. 742 01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:36,750 You've seen the numbers. 743 01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:42,090 It will cost us funds, or it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that they won't take things 744 01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:46,790 back and go back to allow you to go back into 100%. 745 01:07:46,790 --> 01:07:49,590 It doesn't mean that we're shutting it out forever. 746 01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:52,350 There's no guarantee there wouldn't be a no forever, correct? 747 01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:56,770 And all it is is just a matter that, you know, I mean, 748 01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:59,090 I think trying to consider you to go back 749 01:07:59,090 --> 01:08:01,310 or can't you go back to the nearly possible, 750 01:08:01,570 --> 01:08:02,250 but that's just me. 751 01:08:02,550 --> 01:08:05,250 I don't think we'll go back. 752 01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:06,970 I say, yeah, hold on, you're back, don't you, sir. 753 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:08,610 There's no benefit to the county. 754 01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:09,170 No. 755 01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:11,490 At least one way they'll have the possibility 756 01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:12,550 of the other things with it. 757 01:08:12,550 --> 01:08:14,430 We're definitely helping the county's budget. 758 01:08:14,430 --> 01:08:21,550 It may be small. It's a rounding year for them. It's big for us. It's small for them, but we are helping the county's budget by cutting the CRI. 759 01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:32,210 We're making emotions. I have a question on their own. 760 01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:40,870 Capital expenditures. We went down $750,000 from the previous budget to this budget. 761 01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:43,330 Capital outlaying. 762 01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:50,450 Look at the one we're looking at. Came in the packet today. 763 01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:57,470 You're at a total of cat lap lay of 9, 9,150. 764 01:08:58,390 --> 01:09:02,650 You were at 10,621, and 817. 765 01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:05,650 Yeah, off the top of my head, I don't know what this was. 766 01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:10,850 So I've re-structured a lot of the surtax projects. 767 01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:12,970 We changed that around. 768 01:09:13,530 --> 01:09:14,810 We also added back. 769 01:09:14,810 --> 01:09:20,450 we've received the go-and-to fund the H.U.G.V. Fire Department 770 01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:24,630 heartening project. So that process is in there. But there's 771 01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:28,110 corresponding revenue. That's a grant, that's a grant program. 772 01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:32,970 But shifted around 1.1 million. We took the West Side Outfall project out. 773 01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:36,010 It's not going to be designed ready to go. But we changed some 774 01:09:36,010 --> 01:09:40,830 additive million for sewer force maintenance upgrades. So there's just some 775 01:09:40,830 --> 01:09:43,170 things that have shifted in there. But as you can see in the general fund 776 01:09:44,650 --> 01:09:52,550 you have the fryer for the the concession stand and you have the honing for the public 777 01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:56,690 course numbers for fuel and then you have the HVAC at the annual shelter. Everything 778 01:09:56,690 --> 01:10:02,550 else is either a grant fund or a certain tax. I just know that it's not going to change 779 01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:07,290 it. And it's going to change again because I'm going to have one more certain tax project 780 01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:10,610 that we've got to get them so it will change one more time as well. 781 01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:20,490 But I was asking what the difference was about you know without me having to go back through it 782 01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:35,150 Quorum since we've got a quorum whatever we played on it. We played on something. It's got to be unanimous correct 783 01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:38,850 Charity 784 01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:44,110 So it can be a 2-1 vote if we go to something to do. 785 01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:45,250 Okay. 786 01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:59,290 I would move that we recommend the commission to do the, what is it, 4.365 numbers out 787 01:10:59,290 --> 01:10:59,590 of the number? 788 01:10:59,730 --> 01:11:00,350 4.35. 789 01:11:00,650 --> 01:11:00,750 Yes. 790 01:11:00,850 --> 01:11:07,890 4.35 and fund the CRA at 50% and de-fund the animal control. 791 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:11,360 In a measure? 792 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:13,460 I second. 793 01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:14,980 Second? 794 01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:15,080 Second. 795 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,160 All in favor? 796 01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:18,920 Can I say aye? 797 01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:19,640 All right. 798 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,560 Do you want? 799 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:21,460 Anybody? 800 01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:22,660 Thank you. 801 01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:25,980 All right. 802 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:26,720 One of them. 803 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,420 I'm going to put it against. 804 01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:35,210 I look forward. 805 01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:36,890 The motion passed. 806 01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:37,290 It doesn't. 807 01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:37,590 We have. 808 01:11:38,110 --> 01:11:39,370 Steve, you voted second. 809 01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:39,770 Second. 810 01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:40,130 Yeah. 811 01:11:41,650 --> 01:11:42,230 Two, one. 812 01:11:42,690 --> 01:11:43,830 Do you 813 01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:47,740 have any other questions? 814 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,260 Well, now that we've voted on that and passed it, you voted no. 815 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,160 What was your issue? 816 01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:56,800 It should. 817 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,320 It's serious. 818 01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:58,280 I would. 819 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,380 I definitely think I'll dip it on. 820 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,240 I think that's what I think. 821 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,660 You mean in reference to the long term reference? 822 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:05,080 Yeah. 823 01:12:07,690 --> 01:12:11,110 I mean, I completely understand 824 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:14,530 right that there being concerns, but you know, 825 01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:16,250 that's a discussion before. 826 01:12:16,690 --> 01:12:18,650 I mean, governments, whether it's county, 827 01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:21,270 and so you have discussions about all that kind of stuff, 828 01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:23,770 and it's a matter of, hey, you know, what guys? 829 01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:27,770 We did what we did to be able to manage everything. 830 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:36,490 and understand that yes, the county, it doesn't be who the county to be able to pay a 400 percent, right? 831 01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:46,280 But there are a lot of residents that are lineage and tax paying residents that live in the county. 832 01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:52,360 So it behooves the county to be able to keep their customers satisfied too as well. 833 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:52,840 Do you know what I mean? 834 01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:58,010 I mean, yes, and there's no reason that they would want to be out there. 835 01:12:58,010 --> 01:13:02,810 Technically that is correct right technically you have a big base 836 01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:11,350 What are they going to find or something what's probably not going to say okay, we're going to pay for your 837 01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:20,080 Pennsylvania having nothing we all right may not get any cable bottoms and you business and you business 838 01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:23,900 All right next meeting date, so 839 01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:30,020 we have a budget workshop this afternoon and three people 840 01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:33,660 And then the commission for votes on a 841 01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:41,500 and then again on the 23rd will be the final. 842 01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:47,580 I would suggest that this committee's work is probably done for this budget year 843 01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:53,120 and that we could river back to the portal meetings if you unless you have an alternate thoughts. 844 01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:56,140 Did I have to give it a 845 01:13:58,630 --> 01:14:00,390 harassed key to you in town? 846 01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:02,230 Yeah, we know we were fine. 847 01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:06,350 So that technically would be December 1st, just three months. 848 01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:12,690 Yeah, it doesn't for already. 849 01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:14,610 15 Sundays to first person. 850 01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:15,810 Oh, I 851 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,280 don't know. 852 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,820 December 1st, everybody. 853 01:14:26,060 --> 01:14:26,480 I'm open. 854 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,000 I'm checking right now. 855 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,340 Yes, I look good on that. 856 01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:33,740 You want to do 80 o'clock on Tuesday? 857 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:34,680 Sure. 858 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:46,900 Before we adjourn, since we met today in our minutes, 859 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,640 we're not going to be available for a while, 860 01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:49,920 and they're having a budget meeting. 861 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,280 Budget works on today. 862 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,560 Do we need one of us to go to the commission meeting 863 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,040 to present what we've done for today? 864 01:14:58,420 --> 01:14:59,060 We'll have a time. 865 01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:13,590 Okay, that's fine. We've got a planning board right after that, so we will present to that. That's it. Okay, long as I know what we recommend. Of course, you're more than welcome to attend. I don't speak for the committee. 866 01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:25,710 We can have a vote on that. All right. Anything else? 867 01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:26,630 Let me get a group. 868 01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:29,390 All right. 869 01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:30,230 I'm going to change her. 870 01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:30,770 Thank you. 871 01:15:30,850 --> 01:15:31,250 Thank you. 872 01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:31,630 I love you. 873 01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:32,970 You're going to give me a minute. 874 01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:33,330 Please.