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All right, we'll call meeting to order.
>> 701.

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» Let us first of all, thanks for all
coming, but let us start with the pledge

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of allegiance.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» So,
first of all, in the back row, can you

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hear
Okay, as long as nobody else is talking

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on the side, we should be okay.
Okay, I know you fixed it. I can turn it

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up, but I prefer that if we all listen,
we're doing well.

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» Could we have a roll call, please? Clerk
Per,

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» certainly. [clears throat]
Supervisor Bertrren,

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» I am present.
>> Treasurer

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» here.
>> Clerk Per here. Trusty Monet

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» here.
>> Trusty Demer

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» here.
All present, sir.

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» Okay.
We have a uh interview process today for

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a zoning administrator.
I'd like to make a motion for approval

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from the board to move right into that
interview right off the bat. Uh so that

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those people are not sitting through the
whole rest of the meeting.

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I will make that motion. Do I have a
second?

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» Second.
>> Okay, we have a second. Any further

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discussion on that?

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Hearing none. All those in favor of
proceeding with the interviews for

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zoning administrator position signify by
saying I.

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» I.
>> I.

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» I. Oppose. The same.
>> Nay.

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» God. I already wrote the five down.
>> Sorry.

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» Okay. The motion carries at four to one.
Uh, Clerk Per, would you like to take

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the lead as far as uh getting our first
candidate up here?

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» Well, sure. Uh, the first one that
applied for the job was Josh Deinsky.

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So, I'd like to lead off with him and u
um Miss Craves. Uh, if she's still in

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the audience, I'd like her to be removed
for the time and then we'll remove Josh

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when we have your interview. Is that all
right with you? Thank you.

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Okay,
>> Josh, you got the floor.

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» How you guys doing today? Good evening.
Copy my resume in front of them.

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» Yes,
>> cuz I have two.

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» Uh, yes, we received it. The board, I
believe, has all looked it over by now.

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» I left mine out in the car, which I got
it.

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» The reason for bringing an extra.
>> Good job. Thank you,

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» Josh. The process is that we'll give
[clears throat] you a couple minutes if

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you got anything to say about yourself,
but then each of us may have some quick

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questions for you.
>> That's absolutely fine. Um,

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» so you'll have to hit the button on that
mic and if it's greened,

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okay, that that
>> you doing something?

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» You're good.
>> Well, your batteries are good if it's

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looking like that. So, you don't have to
get right on it, but fantastic.

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» That should work.
>> Um, a little bit about myself. Uh been

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in the trade since right out of high
school. Um so pretty much on the resume.

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Started out construction in Gaylord. Um
building a lot in 97 2000. Jumped into

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journeyman iron worker down in Detroit
for quite a while. Wife drugged me back

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cuz she liked it up here. Moved back up
here. Got a builder's license. Went into

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business for myself. Found out that was
kind of a pain in the butt. So went to

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work for company for a while.
Um but he started failing me. So said

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figure put my mind to work instead of my
body from there on out.

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» Uh a lot of experience. Um carried my
builder's license since uh right around

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2007.
Got the opportunity to work here as a

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building inspector, zoning official or
um zoning administrator and uh ordinance

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officer. Um
moved on for a while. Uh, I'm currently

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at Frederick Township. Um, I'm on a
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I've got Fridays wide open and my
phone's always on.

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» Okay.
Uh, if we'd like to start on the left

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there, Mr. Hops, if you got any
questions, let's [clears throat] that

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way.
>> I just had a couple. You were here.

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I don't see uh the year you were here.
Years you were here.

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» Um
uh let's see. Was it recent or?

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» Yeah, it was 2021. It was right after uh
Dave Doll was starting to retire and he

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actually passed away as we were
transitioning to me.

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» Um I had the pleasure of working with
him for a month or two before things got

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really bad with him. And and um was
there a reason you left or

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» um and to be perfectly honest um I had
uh a contractual issue I wanted to

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renegotiate nothing to increase pay but
to change the way it was distributed.

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» Okay.
>> Um and difference of agreement or

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difference of opinions at that point and
I just said fine you know what Frederick

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Township's looking if you guys don't
want here's my res resignation. Um,

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Frederick was offering pretty good uh
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So, [snorts]
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made sense.
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» I'm listening. I'm with the
>> Do you still have your builder's

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license?
>> I do.

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those are I I've read through the
resume, so those are the really annoying

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questions.
>> It's definitely a nice resume. Very nice

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resume, by the way.
>> Uh Joshua, do do we can we set do you

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think we can work out something where we
can set a few hours a week and then

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still have your availability on call to
set an appointment and things like that.

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That That's what we're hoping for.
>> Quarter mile away.

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» Oh my gosh. What if you have to walk? I
mean, you might ride the bike.

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» Okay.
>> That would take some effort, but

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» Well, this is uh this is a pretty lucky
thing for us that you have experience

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with the with the township. That's a
good thing. But so we we can set

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something up by appointment only. We can
have you available by cell phone and we

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can set a certain number of hours per
week that you'll be available. All

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right. Thank you.

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I got a couple questions just in general
there. We got two strong resumes here.

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I'm interested in some other things. Um,
you did tell us a little bit about

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yourself. Tell me about your personal
preferences, things that you're into,

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not into.
>> Um, I'm pretty simple. I like working on

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stuff. [clears throat and cough] My
hands dirty.

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I like taking the side by side out if I
get a chance. And I like fishing.

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» Okay.
>> Simple. Got a family. Keep them separate

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from uh anything going on in the
township. That's the only thing I

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[clears throat]

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» Okay. Uh what do you think your biggest
weakness is?

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got a big heart. That's probably the
biggest weakness in a lot of areas

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because I believe people for the best,
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the doubt. more often than
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Why should we hire you?
>> Um, well, I'm close. I've been here. I

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know the ordinances and the zoning
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I know a lot of people in the community.

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» Okay.

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And uh it may have covered this already,
maybe not. Why did you leave your last

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job? So that would be previous to
Frederick

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» that was here. Um and we did cover that.
That was um I had a contractual I wanted

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to renegotiate contract and they pretty
much said well it all renews. I said

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that's not the point. I want to change
the way a was. [clears throat]

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» They were not didn't How often were you
supposed to reup the contract? Um, it

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was every three years and I was back for
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» And they wouldn't negotiate with you?
>> Uh, the way it sounded? No. And I didn't

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want to push the issue. And there was an
offer that had a lot of good stuff going

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on. I mean, like I said, truck, phone,
huge office.

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» Okay,
that's all I got.

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That's it
>> for me. All right. Sure.

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» Good evening. Hey, Josh. Thanks for
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one question. What exactly is the H
Hotton Lake Building Agency? Does that

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work just like a zoning agency? It What
do you know what that is? And do you

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have any affiliation whatsoever with
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» I have no affiliation with that agency.
I was actually quite close with previous

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building inspector because
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we bump things off of each other. Come
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a job, you send me pictures. what would
you do in this situation? And I'd do the

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same for him.
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» Um he's retired from that position now.
Homeland building agency covers uh

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multiple townships.
>> Um okay. I really have no affiliation

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there at all. Um I mean I think I pulled
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years ago.
>> And do they have any jurisdictional

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uh authority over our township or is it
just Okay. just it's just a conglomerate

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of
>> right. I do believe that there was talk

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when I left um
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brought in under the lake building
authority but it never came to fruition.

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» Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.

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» If somebody filed a complaint, gave you
a written complaint, would you just

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automatically assume that person was
guilty or would you listen to both sides

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of the story?
Um, always listen to both sides.

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» Always.
>> Always.

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» There's no reason to not. That's the job
is to find out what's going on. And

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sometimes a written complaint can open
up the complainting to issues also when

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you go out there to investigate.

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So, it's it's a tough call.

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If there's no further questions, if you
got anything else you want to say, then

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we'll move on.
>> Uh, no, I'm fine. I think we've covered

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the bases. You know, I'm, like I said,
always have my phone on

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my side. I've got split line, so I can
give the phone number, my split phone

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number, the township. No issues.
>> Okay. All right.

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» All right. Well, we would ask if you
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Um,
well, it's nice outside.

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» Somebody will holler at you,
>> right? Um,

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» I appreciate your time. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Josh.

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» Clerk Per,
who is next?

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» We'll call Miss Tineas Craves uh to the
the floor.

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I don't know if she's
>> Is she here or?

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» Yeah. Well, she went out while he was uh
parachute.

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» Oh, okay.
>> Come on in.

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» Come on in, Tina.

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» You can sit right up here.
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if you push the button on that
microphone, it should be green. If he

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happened to turn it off.
>> Uhhuh.

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» No, should be working.
>> Good.

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Well, I'm glad to see that you're here.
You put in an application. The board has

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looked at the applications from both
candidates.

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Give you a couple minutes. If you want
to say anything about yourself that you

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believe is uh worth noting, go ahead.
And then we'll have some questions for

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you after that.
>> Okay. [clears throat] Well, um currently

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I'm on the board for Denton Township.
um on I was on the board for the zoning

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and planning and now I'm just on the
appeals. I was also on the board with

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Bakas Township on the planning and
zoning as well.

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Um so I've been on that for
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at least six or seven years. So, I'm
very familiar with the process and what

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I need to do before I make a decision on
the with the board and so forth. Prior

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to that, I've worked at the uh state of
Michigan. I worked with them for over 30

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years.
and I was in the uh secretary of state

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section where uh I basically handled
lots of complaints,

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uh problems with uh
driving records, uh

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car dealerships, anything under the
secretary of state.

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I was a senior technician there. Um I
have a extensive legal experience

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I've also um
I was also a landlord and I managed up

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to about
I'd say about 10 units

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at one time and during that time I did
the interviewing for credit check

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eviction
process my own paperwork in court

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um and now I'm here I work at the
homeless agencies.

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I work there part time.

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» Okay.
Uh if you'd like to start there,

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Treasurer Hops.
>> Sure. I will say it's pretty impressive

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to have a
you have a endorsement from Ruth

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Johnson, Secretary of State.
Very nice.

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» Thank you. Actually, I have several
letters, but I didn't want to scream all

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» Yeah. And I know we had we had a we had
talked earlier. Um

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[clears throat]
I I actually I don't have any questions.

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We had we had talked earlier, so I'm on
time for questions. [clears throat]

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Well, again, a very impressive resume
and uh some mighty fancy recommendations

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from the people that have written and I
know you had more, but we only had so

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much room. The staples only go this far,
you know.

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» No. And uh I think I think I uh asked
enough questions from you before and I

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know one of the main reasons that you
were applying is your hours have been

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cut at the other place.
>> Yeah, drastically.

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» Yeah, by by about 20% or something a
little more than that. So

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» yeah, it's quite severe. Nobody's
building anymore. [clears throat] Not

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like they used to. The prices of the
supplies and so forth have gone up so

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much
>> just can't afford it anymore. So,

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» right.

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» All right.
>> Okay. Hang on. I just Your batteries are

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dead, I believe.
>> My battery.

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» Well, let me fix that.
>> Let me borrow this one.

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» Yeah.
I'm tired of hearing you anyway.

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» I wish I'm loud enough without that.
Okay.

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» Well, you might want to reanswer that
question because they were saying they

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really couldn't hear you.
>> As far as I think you were talking about

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your hours being cut.
>> Yes. Yes, the hours are uh cut. It was a

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part-time job in the beginning. It was
kind of like 32 hours a week and now

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it's down barely to 20 hours a week.
Barely.

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So that's changed drastically.

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» Okay. Do you have any other questions,
Clerk Per?

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» No, I'm done. I I'll change those where
you at.

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» Okay.
>> Got some there.

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» I should.

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So besides all of what you already said,
tell uh tell us some more about

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yourself.
Well, um what

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» I can go back a little bit further about
my experience. Um give

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» me two more for Kevin.
>> My uh my son was in the military. He's a

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veteran now. He was uh stationed in
Afghanistan and I was part of the Blue

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Mothers
uh the Blue Star Mothers. I actually

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edited their newspaper
for their uh chapter. was chapter 99 and

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I did that for about a year. Um, and
then I was a chief editor for the

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newsletter.
Um, I was also a director

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of uh, White Deer Village condominiums.
That's further down, but that was many,

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many [clears throat] years ago. So, I
first saw that uh, complex.

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Um, aside from that, I mean, I don't
know how far back you want me to go.

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» It's just a matter of what you'd like us
to know. You don't have to dig any

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farther than you want to.
>> Okay. I've also worked for the sheriff's

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when I was younger. I I was I was a
dispatcher at Ingam County for the

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sheriff's. Um, so I, you know, I've been
here and there. Uh, I worked for

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Michigan Bell and AT&T, the phone
company. And funny thing about that, I

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probably I was planning on retiring, but
um, back then uh, I was pregnant with my

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son and they were very, very strict and
I could only have three absences a year.

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Well, I tried to hide my pregnancy and
that didn't work out. So, [laughter] I

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got fired.
So I got fired. That was the only place

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where I was let go.
>> Yeah. Thank you for your honesty.

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» But now, you know, you you can't do that
now. So, you know, uh I worked in at

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Morgan Guaranteed Trust Company
processing stock certificates.

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Um I worked at various insurance
companies, Employers Mutual, USFG.

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I was a workman's compens workman's
compensation adjuster where I issued out

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checks for people that were injured.
>> Okay, that's okay. You unless you

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absolutely want to tell us.
>> No, I don't want to bore you anymore.

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» Well, it's not boring. I I certainly a
varied background. Uh what do you think

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your biggest weakness is?
>> My biggest weakness? Um

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I would probably have to say
persistence. I it's a weakness and a

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blessing at the same time because
sometimes I

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you know I I have something that
is just isn't right or you know it can't

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be fixed and I
try to kill myself trying to fix it or

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or make it right and I sometimes have a
hard time accepting that you just can't

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fix everything.
>> Okay. Uh why should we hire you?

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I have lots of reasons actually. I just
don't know how how to start. First of

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all, I have the experience I think as
far as zoning

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and I also have uh a lot of uh legal
experience that I think that would be

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very helpful to you.
Um I I work um with the building agency

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so I'm very familiar with the permits
and so forth and you know how to uh

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get into BSNA which is a program that we
all use as far as the townships. I have

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excellent references
and

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to be honest with you I think I'm the
best person.

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» Okay.
Uh, I don't have any other questions.

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The other one you already covered, so
with that, I'm good.

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» Good evening. Thanks for being here. Um,
yeah, you pretty much just answered uh

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my question. In all fairness, it was
going to be the same question as for Mr.

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Stinsky. Is that um what exactly to you
is the Hot Lake Building Agency because

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I did not know how vast it was and what
is your affiliation and job duties

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basically with them because you do work
for them, but you've kind of already

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covered that. So you don't have to
expand upon it if you don't want.

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» Unless you want me to. I can go into
detail.

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» That's fine. No, I I have it right here
and you pretty much answered it. So,

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thank you.

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» I guess you've covered pretty much all
my questions and I'm really impressed

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with your uh legal experience, your
experience with the permits, your

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references, and your all the experience
that you have and I look forward to

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working with you.
>> Thank you so much.

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I'd be honored.

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» Okay.

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Clerk Per, have we had discussions um to
where we're talking about what a pay

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rate might be here and hours?
>> Starting pay is going to be 8,000.

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» Okay. I did get an answer from the
attorney that we do not necessarily have

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to set any hours unless we want to. Mhm.
Um,

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okay.
>> Well, the same thing I was saying to

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Josh, uh, I I'd like him to have some
hours that are available here at the

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township someday per week and and be
available by phone and by appointment

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anytime. And he agreed to that. I'm sure
Tina will be the same way.

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Okay. Um,
thanks for coming. Is Josh still

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outside?
>> He probably is.

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» Um,
should probably have somebody ask him to

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come back in. We need to make a
decision.

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Thank you, Patty.

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» Okay. Uh, thank uh Josh and Tina. Thank
you both for coming in and interviewing.

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The board did have a chance to review
your applications and questions,

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which is uh our due diligence.
It's now uh decision time between two

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solid candidates. [snorts]
At this point, I'm going to make motions

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as needed for [snorts] a fail or pass
vote from each board member.

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First, I'll make a motion that the board
approve hiring Tina as the new zoning

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administrator for Lion Township
effective 82426

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or sooner.
Do I have a second?

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» Second.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Is there any further discussion
from the board?

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Okay. Hearing none on that motion.
Could we have a roll call, please? Clerk

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P.
>> Sure.

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» Treasure Hubs,
>> yes. [clears throat]

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» Trusty Monet,
>> no.

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» Trusty Dmer,
>> yes.

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» Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes. [clears throat]

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» And clerk burn, no.

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» Okay, then that motion carries at 3 to
two. There's no reason for a further

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one. So, congratulations.
>> Thank you, sir.

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» You are now the new zoning administrator
for Lion Township.

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» Thank you. I'm very honored. Thank you.
>> And any details you can work out with

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Clerk Burn
>> going forward.

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» Okay.
>> Appreciate you coming in. Appreciate you

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both. These are tough decisions, but we
got to make them. That's why we're here.

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» Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Okay.

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» Thank you.

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Okay, that moves us to
>> Thank you, Josh.

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Thank you.
>> The board reports.

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» Let me make sure I don't lose track of
where I'm at.

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moves us to the uh board and department
reports

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and any questions from the public. Uh
first is supervisor

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very similar to last month.

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Uh, my statutory duties
include managing public improvements,

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overseeing township employees,
acting as a legal agent for the

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township, and being responsible for
efficient administration.

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I took an oath to do that and that's I'm
ultimately responsible.

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It's public job as supervisor. I
recently made motions at board meetings,

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some more than once, to implement
business practices

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and support grant applications and
awards usage that I believe are best

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practices and in the best interest of
the majority of the township residents.

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On some occasions, there were no board
members willing to second the motions or

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not all the board members were present,
so no discussion or vote could be

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recorded for public record. Tonight with
all of us here, I intend to make some of

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those motions again and clearly state
why I believe they're important. Uh hope

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that there's a second so we can have
discussion and then get a roll call vote

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for the record.
Uh and then be done with that.

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on the majority of the comments. On the
plus side, I've gotten many compliments

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on parks, grant awards, grant related
presentations, quality of the concerts,

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Facebook page, fire department
recruiting,

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housekeeping progress, recycling
availability, cemetery, phone calls

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being answered, emails being answered,
polite staff, and more.

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Recently, I've had many discussions
concerning public and private road end

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issues. Those will continue and I will
update the board as needed.

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Has anybody got any questions for me?

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Seeing none or seeing no hands, we will
move on to the treasure.

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» [clears throat]
>> Um, mine's pretty straightforward. That

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actually that 750 should be a,000 number
of tax payments so far, which is which

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is actually pretty good. All of our
millages are up to date being paid. Uh,

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clerk Pern and I are going to meet with
Huntington Bank September 8th

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to discuss uh a it's called a seedar's
program to invest

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some of the township money to get a
better return than just a simple bank

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rate. So, that would be more to come on
that.

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And uh this was this was all but clerk
per and I both interviewed these the two

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um candidates that were here earlier. I
think that both of them were great. And

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for maintenance uh we actually next the
end of next week we should have our that

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pot that compost finally completed of
turning the whole entire lot. So that's

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quite an accomplishment I think. Um, we
finished painting all the playground

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equipment and pavilions. Every single
one of them are done.

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Uh, we're still doing inspections once a
week. Um, replacing the material and

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doing our inspection sheets,
replacing the fall material.

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Um, [clears throat] and we decided to to
look into the two septic tanks uh at

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Park 27 and the compost just out of
curiosity. And the last time they were

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pumped was 2019, so I figured it was
probably due to have them done.

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Um, and right now we're going to we're
in the process. We're going to start

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cleaning up the parking lot at Phoenix
Park because I I think that park's been

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neglected. Um, just my opinion, of
course, but

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I would like it more where you can see
it from the road. Just clean up that

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whole parking lot area. So, our guys are
going to be doing that and we should

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have our compost gate um the all the
electrical done and we should have it

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installed hopefully by uh the end of
next week for our automatic gate system

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which probably I don't know if it'll go
in effect this year.

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I mean, I don't see why not, but I want
to give people at least a couple months

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notice on the transition on on how it's
going to happen. So, it might happen

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this year, if not for sure, the first of
uh first of next year when we open back

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up.
>> Any questions?

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» I have a question. Are we talking about
open it up so we can see it from uh the

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road?
>> Yeah, the west thing. So, taking down

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some trees probably and get rid of some
of the

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» really just brush. I don't know. Yeah,
trees. Just the overgrown.

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» Yeah, I see.
>> Weeds and little small little little

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trees. Yeah, I think it should be opened
up. So,

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» Mhm.
>> you can see the park from the road.

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[clears throat]
>> Any questions from the public for

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Treasurer Hops?
>> Kevin, what was the Has the fee been

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established for the automatic aid yet?
>> I think we came uh with a onetime $20

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fee.
>> Okay. Is that a combination or a FOB?

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» It will be a combination, a fourdigit.
So everybody will get it holds it stores

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up to 500 uh different codes. So So
what'll happen is you'll come in and

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fill out an application,
pay your $20 and we need like license

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plate numbers because
um and it's going to be it's going to be

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I will say this, it will be very strict.
If anybody's caught giving their theirs

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out to people who didn't want to pay the
$20,

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one time, you're out. Um because this
is, you know, I don't I think $20 is

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reasonable for a onetime fee. And you
can you can come and go Monday through

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Saturday. It'll be open 8 to 5, I
believe, the hours will be

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» and close Sunday. But instead of being
Wednesdays and Saturdays, you get you

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have access, you know, all week long,
six days a week. So

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» we'll know when they become available.
>> Yeah, I'm going to for sure give at

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least a couple months notice. You know,
I can't do it overnight.

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» Thank you.
>> But it's coming.

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» Yes.
>> Is the gate for

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» Lion Township residents? Yes.
And the and the um contractors will

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still [clears throat] they still will
pay their $800 fee.

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» Um that won't change. Um they come and
go now as they as they want anyways. So

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this doesn't really affect them all that
much. Um because they had keys by paying

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that $800. So theirs will theirs will
stay the same.

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Oh,

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» yeah. We approved this back in
>> Jeez, I can't tell you the date, but I

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know we approved the uh cost for the
gate and proved that we wanted to put it

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in
>> and the $20 fee.

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» That would should be in the minutes.
>> No, I'm sure it's in the minutes.

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» Oh, yeah. It was months and months ago.
I don't remember off hand.

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» Yeah, we voted on it.
>> It wasn't.

426
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:43,440
» No, I I think it might have even been
May. I mean, I could look it look it up

427
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,920
for you.
It's not a problem.

428
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:51,621
» [clears throat]

429
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:59,040
» Yeah, I can look it up for you.
>> How about in the back?

430
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,640
» You said there was going to be 500
codes. That would that like the limit? I

431
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,839
don't I don't know how many people or
household

432
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:09,359
» Yeah, right now we're
we're I think at maybe 400.

433
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,320
» Okay.
>> That currently have the the badge. So,

434
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:18,320
it'll hold 500, but if if we needed to
up it, it can be upped.

435
00:38:16,456 --> 00:38:21,839
» [snorts]
>> And that's not for recycle, correct?

436
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,920
» No, that's for the compost.
>> Okay. Make sure

437
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,920
» Sam

438
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,680
» I think we're going to cross that bridge
when we get there

439
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:44,400
» for for Yeah, for now. I guess for time
being I'm not going to say they're going

440
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:52,000
to stay there or they're going to go
behind the gate. I don't know. That's

441
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:59,560
» I want to make a suggestion because
some of us said the last couple years

442
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,560
that the recycling brack

443
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,640
» I agree
>> there's no where

444
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
» I absolutely

445
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:24,480
or whatever you call it would be that
the recycling has to be inside.

446
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,839
» That certainly is a possibility.
>> Yes, it is.

447
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,119
» Consider it.
>> It will be definitely considered.

448
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:36,000
» Yeah. I don't want this to turn into
comments as much as just questions about

449
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:40,880
what he said, but I Yeah, definitely
considered.

450
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:47,760
» What else you got?
>> That's it. Is it going to be

451
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:52,160
like punch in certain numbers or you get
like a card and hold a card up to it?

452
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,920
» You'll have a fourdigit code. So, it's a
keypad.

453
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,720
» Got it.
>> Okay, [clears throat] we'll try and keep

454
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:07,440
moving.
Who is next on the seat here? The clerk.

455
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:12,800
» Okay. U Well, we're undergoing a bit of
a slowdown after the election of August

456
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:18,160
4th. That was pretty hectic uh in a
couple weeks couple weeks before that.

457
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:22,960
Now we've begun to gear up already for
the November 3rd election. A bit of a

458
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,480
note, the absentee ballots will be sent
out on September 25th. September 25th.

459
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:34,000
That's only a little over a month from
now. Please notify the clerk's office of

460
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:39,520
any change of address. Call the office
to verify the address you have on file

461
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:44,640
and your alternate address should you
want the ballot to be sent there. We

462
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:50,480
still have a big percentage of ballots
returned for incorrect address. This

463
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:55,599
figure should be very low and it's not.
Remember the post office does not

464
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:59,599
forward election material.
All notifications and postings from the

465
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:04,800
clerk's office are being done in a
timely manner. Approved minutes, past

466
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:11,280
resolutions, and all communications are
on file. I had three visits in the last

467
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:16,240
six working days from interim chief fe
Chief Fay.

468
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:21,280
Each time he has brought in a name and
information on new recruits for both

469
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:26,720
fire and EMS. I'm very impressed with
that. We also had countless calls about

470
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:32,160
the fire department doors being open,
sightings at the concerts of the fire

471
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:38,319
truck and the fire dog Ember and the
open house, etc., etc. I'd like to

472
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:44,160
acknowledge the marriage of my deputy
deputy clerk uh Courtney. The wedding

473
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:48,960
took place this last week in uh Beloxy,
Mississippi. I'm very happy to have her

474
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:53,920
back.
That's all I have.

475
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Okay. Any questions? You know, short of
the We will have a comment period if you

476
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,200
got any questions pertinent to this.
Yes, Phil.

477
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:08,640
» Yes. Mr. Turner, are you um confident
with the election that there was no

478
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:13,200
fraudulent ballots?
>> Do I have the number with me tonight?

479
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,000
» I said, are you confident that no
fraudulent ballots were cast at the

480
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,280
election?
>> Well, we're we're pretty pretty

481
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:26,480
confident. Yes. and the the uh county
clerk has let us know that she's pleased

482
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:32,079
with our number. Uh we still have
another week to go before everything is

483
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:35,839
absolutely official and final, but um
yes, I am so far.

484
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,440
» Can you assure us that the ability
ballots are going to be properly

485
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:45,200
received and handled?
>> Well, they they have been so far. The

486
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:49,760
the things that I'm upset about is that
the people would call later and say,

487
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,160
"Well, listen, it went to this other
address." I said, "This is the address

488
00:42:51,760 --> 00:43:00,079
we have on file and it's on the
qualified voter list, and if it's not

489
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:05,280
changed on there, it won't be changed."
As far as you're concerned, the way the

490
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:10,319
system is set up and there's no nothing
to be alarmed about or concerned about

491
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,920
as far as the security of the past
election in the one county.

492
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:20,160
» No, I don't think so. We keep our stuff
under lock and key most of the time. Uh

493
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:25,280
at least one of us are there. And if
it's not, if neither one of the drawers

494
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:31,200
locked and all these things are uh
secure. So we do we do the best we can.

495
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:35,920
Phil,
>> any other questions for clerk burn?

496
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:40,480
» May I address the real quick?
>> Sure.

497
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:42,319
» Is it Greg's
here?

498
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:49,920
» No, not
>> okay. I was supposed to address or go

499
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:54,599
over the road and issue, but due to a
situation I'm being activated over.

500
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,359
So if we can address this at a later
date,

501
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,960
» I suspect it's going to be addressed at
every meeting we have.

502
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,359
» But I have to leave. So I apologize for
>> No, that's fine. Go take care of

503
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,359
business.
>> Emergency [clears throat] call that I

504
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,240
» by all means.
>> Thanks for letting us know.

505
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:16,640
[clears throat]
>> Absolutely.

506
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:20,119
» Okay.
So, next

507
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:30,560
uh we have Trusty Demer
[clears throat] I don't have much of a

508
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,680
report to do. Just uh I'm happy to see
that uh Central Park Boulevard, the big

509
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:39,680
hole that's in the middle of the road,
it's been patched up. Uh I went to the

510
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:44,880
uh open house fire station and was
impressed by the things that they have

511
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:50,000
there. And uh
as usual, I I walk the neighborhood with

512
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:55,119
my dog Izzy and talk to different people
and uh about things that are going on.

513
00:44:52,400 --> 00:45:00,920
And things are going well from the
people that I talk to.

514
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,920
That's it.

515
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:17,520
» Okay, Mr. May, I think we're up to you.
All right. Good evening. Um, I don't see

516
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,960
a spot on tonight's agenda for um, board
comments. So, mine's going to be

517
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,839
twofold. I don't have much in um, in the
way of a report. As I stated at the work

518
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:31,359
session, I will no longer be pursuing um
information on a fertilizer ban at this

519
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:35,040
point in time because just as much as I
wanted to make sure that procedures and

520
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:39,440
requirements were handled properly
during the quote unquote sewer wars, I

521
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:44,480
want to make sure that any fertilizer
ban has the scientific data and research

522
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:48,319
behind it first and foremost. Um, since
I'm doing dual here, as far as

523
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,160
recycling, as far as I'm concerned, to
save mother earth in our lake, we should

524
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,440
have more recycling bins and it should
be even if we have to have a tax

525
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,079
increase because I don't want to see the
trash sitting around, I don't want to

526
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,000
see it in the lake and I really don't
care who uses the bins because they are

527
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,760
public. I mean, to say that it's just
for us, if I'm driving up here for the

528
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,119
first time and I see a recycle bin and I
don't feel like throwing out my window,

529
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:13,599
I'm going to the recycle center. I think
it's a good thing. Um, that being said,

530
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,440
in June,
>> there will be it's on here. It's not on

531
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,119
the agenda for report for the comments.
>> Yeah, that's

532
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
» Well,
>> what were you asking about? Oh, public

533
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:25,359
comment.
>> No, there's no there's nothing on here

534
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,400
for board comments. So, mine's twofold.
>> Okay.

535
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:32,560
» In June, um, at one of our board
meetings, I made some comments, um, that

536
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:36,960
I want to clarify for the public. I made
it very clear that when we had a

537
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,800
discussion that I stated that I do not
care what this board thinks of me. And I

538
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,440
want to clarify why I said that.
In life, we all have one path to follow.

539
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,280
My path may not align with these
gentlemen, but I am going to stay true

540
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:55,520
to my path. Everyone who knows me knows
I'm about the Constitution, the rights

541
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:59,680
of due process, laws, regulations, and
procedures, and I will not waver. So if

542
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,440
that means that there are people on this
board or even in the public do not like

543
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,920
that,
I don't have a problem with it because

544
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,960
I'm under the clear mindset that if you
follow the rules, you follow the

545
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:15,200
procedures, you follow the guidelines,
the only one you have left to complain

546
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:20,240
to is yourself or go to the state
because we've done our job. Um, and

547
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:24,480
here's some few examples why I'm going
to stay true to my path. There's been

548
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:31,760
numerous numerous numerous procedural
requirements wrong in my time on this

549
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:35,280
board. Um, we have a tax ass trash
assessment resolution that's never been

550
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,119
addressed that the board states that we
will never address it, but yet we

551
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:43,280
address it. Every single committee
appointment is not done properly

552
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:47,440
according to state law. Not a one. They
are not given term limits. They are not

553
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:52,800
staggered in the one to three and
fiveyear increments as required by state

554
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:57,599
law. Um, there are just so many
procedural things for me that are wrong

555
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:01,440
that I am once again under the clear
mindset. If you can't get the small

556
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:07,119
things right, you can't get the big
things right. Thank you.

557
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,200
» You are correct that I didn't have it on
the agenda, but it is on the process

558
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,680
sheet here. But
>> well, it's not on.

559
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,680
» You get another shot. How's that?
>> Okay.

560
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:26,079
» Okay. Uh we already had maintenance uh
via treasure hops

561
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:30,800
fire department Chief Fay.
>> All right. Good evening everybody.

562
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:35,280
» All right. And the reports are over
there if anybody wants a copy of them.

563
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Uh so we responded to this is for the
month of July. We responded to 10

564
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:44,720
requests for service. We had uh 13 total
EMS calls. Nine of them were turned

565
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,839
over. Made four. We had eight fire
calls. Made six. We unfortunately turned

566
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:55,359
over two of those. Um there's a
breakdown of them. Uh training wise, we

567
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:58,960
did our monthly business meeting. Uh
went through driving the different

568
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:03,680
apparatus with the new folks. Pumped
water with the engine. 623.

569
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,720
Went over the power C use with the
ambulance. Uh 632.

570
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:14,319
We did water shuttle training. So we
pumped water out of the dump tank,

571
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:18,720
pumped it with the engine 623 and 640.
And then we went down to Townline Drive

572
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:22,559
and uh pumped water out of the dry
hydrant there, did pump training,

573
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,440
drafted the water from the hydrant, fed
623.

574
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:35,119
Uh we completed all unit inspections
this last month. Um and all of that was

575
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:39,280
done inhouse with with our team. Uh
completed the station inspection with

576
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Greg Per at the end of the month.
community involvement. We took uh 623

577
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:48,800
and Ember down to Park 27 for a couple
of concerts and we also had a group. We

578
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:53,440
took the ladder to H Hotton Lake to
Walmart for the national night out. So,

579
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,680
we were down there for a few hours and
got a lot of pictures with the dog.

580
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:01,920
People seem to enjoy that. Couple of
things that we had going on down at the

581
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:06,800
station. We had a small propane leak and
leak and the repairs were made by West

582
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:11,839
Webster Gardener. There was no charge.
There's no issue at this time. It was on

583
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:17,760
our our vapor propane tank. It's a small
pigtail that was kind of a littleer one

584
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:22,640
kind of a weaker style. Now it's a hog
tail according to them. So that's all

585
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:28,160
taken care of. And then uh we also I got
with Google and Google and Apple Maps to

586
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:33,599
correct the location of the fire
department. So now it shows actually at

587
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:38,240
the 10 555 North Harrison Road versus it
was shown up down at uh Phoenix Avenue

588
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:43,280
Park 27. So, that should be corrected on
everybody's maps.

589
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Um, then upcoming events, we've got the
basic life support ambulance license

590
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:51,119
renewal that's in process right now. I
did this for the month of July, but

591
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:56,400
we've already had our our meet and greet
that was on August 15th. That had a nice

592
00:50:53,119 --> 00:51:01,119
turnout. Um, upcoming, we have a
generator repair, so that's going to be

593
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:06,800
done here in August. They're replacing a
a leaking block heater and installing a

594
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:10,400
deicing filter on that. um and then
doing the preventive maintenance on both

595
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:15,920
units. So that'll be taken care of and
up to date. And then on Monday, Lion

596
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Township hosted the uh fire chief
association meeting and that went well.

597
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:26,480
So that's all I have. Any questions from
anybody?

598
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:31,760
» I have one, sir. Uh there was a lot of
disappointed people that the last

599
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:37,760
pancake breakfast got cancelled. Do we
have another one on schedule? Yeah,

600
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:42,400
we'll do that on uh uh Memorial Day and
4th of July. That's our intent and

601
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:46,240
enough people have offered to volunteer
and help, we can we can make that

602
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,400
happen. So, that is definitely our
intent.

603
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:55,040
» And unfortunately, we missed the last
concert, but the kids bash over in Ross

604
00:51:53,359 --> 00:52:00,000
Common, we had been asked to take the
dog over there. It got rained out, got

605
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,559
rescheduled, so we met that obligation
and unfortunately had missed a park.

606
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:08,640
possibility of scheduling another
pancake breakfast other than those two

607
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:13,119
or is it too much work?
>> We'll see. Let's move into that. I know

608
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:15,119
we also do the pancake breakfast at
Winterfest. We help with that.

609
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,079
» Yeah.
>> So, there'll be one there in the early

610
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:23,200
winter.
>> We talked about uh uh Labor Day weekend,

611
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,920
but a lot of people are getting packed
up ready to get out of here. It's been

612
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,760
tried in the past
>> and was less successful. So, um

613
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,240
» Okay,
>> we'll hold. Are you guys going to

614
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,119
participate in the firemen's memorial
September?

615
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:41,359
» I will be at training. I will bring it
up to the guys and if any of them want

616
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,559
to go over or take a unit over or
>> Yeah, I I think it would be good.

617
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:49,040
» Understood.
>> I mean, there's a lot of I don't know,

618
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,480
there's 20 departments there or
something, so

619
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,359
» I I've got instructor training.
>> Okay, that's more important, but

620
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,079
» unfortunately,
>> maybe the assistant chief will uh

621
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,680
» Yeah,
>> if he's got time to do it.

622
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,920
» See who has. Yep.
>> I had two quick questions. Uh, Philip

623
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,760
Dupri Henry,
>> he has not turned in his application

624
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,720
yet. So, that's
>> Well, I'm I'm My question is And then

625
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,880
Brianna Mcill.
>> Yes.

626
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,800
» These are coming through you, right?
>> Yes.

627
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:22,000
» Okay. As long as they're coming through
you.

628
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:24,960
» McGillan came through me. Uh, Dri picked
up a flyer when he was in paying his

629
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,559
taxes.
>> That's right. As long as you see him

630
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,760
before we do, I'm okay with I've got
McGillan's application. You folks have

631
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
that
>> so we can make

632
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,400
» I have both of them here. So, are we
ready to go on?

633
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,000
» I don't know that you have his
application unless he dropped it off

634
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:44,400
today.
>> We've got his resume. You got his res

635
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,000
resume, not his actually filled out
application.

636
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,079
» It's not an application.
>> So, let's wait to approve him until he

637
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,359
brings his in.
>> Yes.

638
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:56,640
» So, her her application is in she's
ready one to go.

639
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:59,280
» All right.
Which one's the paramedic again? That's

640
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:04,400
» That was Dupri.
>> Dupri. Okay.

641
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:13,880
» Okay. Is there any questions from the
public? Um for Chief Fest.

642
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,880
How many 911 calls do we receive?

643
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:21,280
» For the month of July,
we had 13 EMS calls and eight fire

644
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,079
calls.
>> And how many did we respond to? We

645
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,200
turned over nine EMS calls and we turned
over two fire calls.

646
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,520
» Turned over meaning
>> uh Potton Lake Ambulance Authority ran

647
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:37,280
on the EMS [snorts] calls. We because we
didn't have an EMS available.

648
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:41,760
» And so you don't have EMS. So do you
have to pass those on?

649
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:46,079
» Correct. We have two EMS on on our
books. If they're not available, H

650
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:49,440
Hotton Lake Ambulance Authority runs
advanced life support. They're auto

651
00:54:48,137 --> 00:54:52,800
[clears throat] dispatched with us. We
let them know that we didn't have a crew

652
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:58,640
available. What kind of response time do
they have through the community?

653
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:04,160
» I I believe just from cast I would say
typically they beat us to it to a a

654
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:08,880
residence because we go from home to the
barn to get the ambulance and then to

655
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:13,119
wherever we're going. It also depends on
where where they are. So we've had

656
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:16,800
conversation with them. They know that
we're short-handed right now. So they've

657
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,200
made pretty good response time. If you
were if you guys if you were staff at a

658
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:24,000
different level then you'd be responding
to one of these calls.

659
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:28,240
» Yes, we would be responding. I don't
know if we'll be any faster but we're

660
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:32,640
you know we're definitely going to try.
>> How do we keep the public informed about

661
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:37,040
what they can expect?
In other words, should they get in their

662
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:41,119
car and drive to Winston
or should they wait for somebody coming

663
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:45,760
from another town? I can tell you right
now that the Hold Lake Ambulance

664
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:49,760
Authority is 20 minutes or less because
they're in the building. So when they

665
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:53,119
get a call, if you don't mind,
>> well, I'm going to interject that

666
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:55,359
because I have talked to them about it.
>> Okay. Well, that's fine.

667
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:59,040
» Okay.
>> I would say it's your individual call.

668
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,559
If you'd like to call 911, they're going
to be here as quick as they can. They

669
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:07,599
can run lights and sirens and depending
on this information that they've

670
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:11,839
received from you or a loved one, they
can start care over the phone and

671
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:15,920
they're going to get rolling. Like I
would recommend calling the ambulance.

672
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,400
» Is part of the goal to reduce that
response time or increase the responses

673
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:27,040
that are possible locally here?
>> Hopefully we can do both. Yes. if as we

674
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:31,839
get more EMS personnel on staff trained
up depending on where they live as quick

675
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:36,000
as they can get to the station and get
in the rig and get another person so we

676
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,720
have two licenses to roll we're going to
go I it depends on where they are but

677
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,880
that's our intent is to be there as
quick as we can we will continue with HT

678
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:50,000
Lake
first when one there's you know there's

679
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:55,960
no ego there whoever's there the fastest
is going to take care of you and then

680
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,960
we're going assist each other.

681
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:01,119
» Any other questions for Chief Fay?

682
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:11,280
Just want to reply that me and Steve
talked about that a long time ago when

683
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:15,559
personnel get higher about keeping staff
at the safe medical.

684
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:25,839
» I think the long range plan that we have
explored is eventually getting to a

685
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:30,400
millillage and trying to go 247, but
we're nowhere near that now. that it's a

686
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,680
possibility, but it takes people to, you
know, having people here that can

687
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:37,280
respond and we're working on it the best
we can. If you know of anybody, please

688
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:44,000
send them our way.
>> You That really was my question. 24

689
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,880
hours, but that's not within the current
funding that we have.

690
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:53,760
» We have a millage coming up next year
and then the following year for

691
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:58,720
equipment and uh to get a millillage and
prepare it and try and go 24/7 is a

692
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,440
major undertaking.
It's not in the foreseeable radar, but

693
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,319
it will be by next year. We'll be
certainly talking about it. We got to

694
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,680
get the current millig
>> and we are set up for basic life

695
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,440
support. So if you're having a heart
attack, we want Hot Colton Lake to still

696
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:18,640
come. Or if it's an advanced life
support issue, we want them coming

697
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,760
because they have the equipment, the
paramedics on board, [cough] like

698
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,040
they're going to give advanced care.
They can push drugs. They can do a lot

699
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:30,960
of things that we can't at our level,
our lensure.

700
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:34,720
» So when we call 911, then we get you
guys. Is that right?

701
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:39,599
» You get central dispatch
>> and they auto tone both us and

702
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,559
ambulance. We'll just get whoever gets
there fast first. Is that correct?

703
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,520
» We we both roll.
>> And it's been that way for a couple

704
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,280
years.
>> Yeah.

705
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:54,640
» People I because I hear frequently we
don't have coverage. We do have

706
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:58,640
coverage. That's what we have.
>> But you're going 247 would be an

707
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,280
ultimate goal. Yes.
>> Garish has supported us. Denton

708
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,960
supported us. We you know the dispatch
knows who's who's where what the

709
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:12,319
emergency is. They're going to dispatch
to the best of their ability to get the

710
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:14,640
pursuit, you know, here the past.
>> Y

711
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:19,760
» I had to call 911.
>> Yep.

712
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:24,799
» 15 minutes. Great job.
>> Thank you.

713
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:27,680
» We do have
Thanks.

714
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:31,559
» It's good to hear.
>> Okay. point of

715
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,440
that

716
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:41,559
account

717
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,920
you would also send
somebody

718
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:58,040
unless it's
for example has a life support. Yes.

719
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:10,520
» And Chief Williams here if she's if
their ambulance is tied up. I think they

720
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:10,520
have a second person that would

721
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:23,000
take his phone out.

722
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:38,359
If something happens,

723
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:05,200
I apologize. Yeah. Terminology
a little real quick question or not

724
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:08,559
comment number one uh on the short
stretch of military road that is in

725
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,359
common.
>> That's funny.

726
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:17,280
» Continue emergency response to the wrong
road. I myself was involved in one. A

727
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,559
gentleman that was having a heart attack
was involved in one. The ambulance went

728
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:26,400
to the wrong location.
>> Mhm. and we had uh in my case it was

729
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:32,400
just what was the perceived so that's a
comment second comment is along the same

730
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:37,599
line so I'm going to make it right here
uh at one time I was running a meeting

731
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:41,839
here to this and I had a gentleman
having a perceived heart attack and the

732
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:48,799
first thing they asked me do you have an
AED available there is no AD available

733
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:52,319
in this facility that I know of
>> it's over in the office

734
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,839
» in the in other side or
>> it's in the other side by the office.

735
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,160
Assuming that we might see somebody drop
in the parking lot.

736
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:05,520
» The problem is you weren't here. Those
doors were locked.

737
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:08,480
» No, I'm saying Well, okay. Good point.
>> What organization were you here with

738
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:12,799
with a meeting?
>> I was here with the CCO.

739
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:17,280
» Oh, okay. No, that's a real good point.
>> We'll have to fix that somehow some way.

740
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:21,359
» Thank you. As far as the address,
>> well, it could as easily probably be in

741
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:25,040
this hallway.
Um, there's nothing saying it has to be

742
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:28,720
on the other side of that wall.
>> Just a comment. Thank you, Super.

743
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:32,200
» No, I appreciate that.
>> That makes sense.

744
01:02:33,848 --> 01:02:35,868
[cough]

745
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:41,760
» Okay. Anything else? And then we're
going to move on. If not,

746
01:02:40,398 --> 01:02:43,440
[clears throat]
>> thank you, Chief.

747
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:51,000
» Thanks, Dave.
>> Uh, next is Our

748
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,000
section Bruce.

749
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:08,319
» Okay. At the cemetery, we sold two lots.
I had two burials. Um, one was a full

750
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:12,960
burial, one was a cremation, and we had
three headstone placed. Um, want to let

751
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:18,000
everybody know the water's been on now
for three weeks. uh finally and uh we're

752
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:25,480
in the process I'm in the process of uh
painting the chapel and the garage and

753
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:25,480
the uh water this week.

754
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:33,839
» You must have volunteered.
[clears throat]

755
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:35,680
» No, because I like doing it.
>> I don't know anybody

756
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,160
» and I care about that.
>> I don't know anybody that wants to

757
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:42,799
paint. Okay.
>> I really care about that cemetery. I

758
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:45,520
talk to those people all the time.
You do a heck of a job there. I will

759
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:49,920
give you that.
>> Do they talk back?

760
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:53,814
» Sometime sometimes the little headstone
pops up.

761
01:03:51,794 --> 01:03:53,814
[laughter]

762
01:03:54,799 --> 01:04:01,640
» Okay. Any questions in regards to the
sex under the cemetery?

763
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:13,599
» Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
>> Actually, I seen it around there today.

764
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,599
So,

765
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:21,039
I've never seen
so bad.

766
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,240
» He does a great job. There's no
question.

767
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:30,160
» Goes hand in hand with he cares.
>> I'll just add a little something to it.

768
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:35,280
Every time you have a function over
there, anytime, whatever it is, or

769
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:39,280
you're dealing with a few people, I get
the call. I don't know why the clerk's

770
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:46,160
office is the clearing house, but it is.
>> That's cuz I serve beers. Oh,

771
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:51,359
well, give us a time. [laughter]
So, that new water line is a tap. Oh,

772
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:54,160
» you buried a keg out there. What'd you
do?

773
01:04:51,680 --> 01:05:00,079
» There's no hope.
>> Okay. Well, thank you, sir. Uh, stay in

774
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:03,119
the seat and we're going to Let me line
this up. Okay. Now, we're on to the

775
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,000
ordinance officer.
>> Yeah. The cemetery was the happy note.

776
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:12,960
Okay.
Okay. So, I had I had nine nine

777
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:17,760
complaints,
three complaints about leaf blowing in

778
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:23,200
the street. And as you know, as we
talked about at the work session, we're

779
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:27,359
trying to implement a a ordinance
make it illegal to blow leaves in the

780
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:33,119
streets on other people's property and
across the lake road into

781
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:37,599
um the state land.
So, we hoping to have that in place by

782
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:43,839
October 15.
Sorry to push you guys, but yes.

783
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:49,119
» Okay. I'm sure we can steal one that
fast from another township

784
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:53,480
has. There's only one that has one.
Maybe you can go to death. I think

785
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,480
there's

786
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Okay. I had a complaint of fall in the
motel for junk and I got with the health

787
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,440
department on that one and as it turns
out she had cleaned it up pretty well.

788
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:10,160
So that's pretty much closed. There's
other issues going on over there that

789
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,559
has nothing to do with us.
I also had a complaint about water

790
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:18,079
diversion on Insbrook where the person
is

791
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:21,280
um
has a pipe and it's going on the

792
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:27,200
person's property. We don't get involved
in that. That also is a property

793
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:31,920
dispute. Had I had one about go fast
rental that's closed. I went and talked

794
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:37,520
to them. That's complete.
And two unchunked, one on Penry and one

795
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,240
on Minihaha.
Um they started cleaning up on Minihaha

796
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:47,520
and I just sent the letter to the person
at Penry

797
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:52,079
and then also some follow on Minihaha.
Um, I had I had the health department

798
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:57,280
involved in that and also environmental
control. And I have to admit this this

799
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:03,480
person is really doing everything can
operate. So,

800
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,480
okay.

801
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:12,319
Now, I'm staff.
Okay. I put this out

802
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:15,520
and and I was late kind of late putting
it out. So, I don't know if everyone got

803
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,680
it because I wanted to talk very briefly
about it.

804
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:24,480
And I want you to know that I haven't
been sitting on any hands. I've been

805
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:28,799
working with the with the um sheriff's
department with Ben Low and I've also

806
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:33,520
been working with the um county
commission.

807
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:39,440
Um I've been working on some things.
We're down there. But I just wanted to

808
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,359
very briefly touch on whatever this
means

809
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:48,200
so that we're all on the same page and
understand each other because there is

810
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,200
some confusion.

811
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:56,880
So the Jacobs ruling is actually a court
order. Okay.

812
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,880
It addresses the area of roads that beat
the shoreline. No person has a right. No

813
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:05,680
person has the right to prevent another
person

814
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:11,599
from using the public access. Everybody
and anybody can use it.

815
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:17,279
You can you can't swim there. I mean you
can't picnic there. You can't sit there.

816
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:23,679
It's all about obstruction. You cannot
obstruct. You can you can launch a kayak

817
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:27,759
or you can uh run in the water. That's
about all you can do. But if someone's

818
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:32,239
there and I and I talked to Ben Low
who's the under who's the under sheriff

819
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:37,440
and I asked him this question, can you
force somebody off the road? He said

820
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:41,679
absolutely not because it's not a law
and that's a civil matter.

821
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:46,679
And that's what he told me and you're
welcome to call him and confirm what I

822
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,679
just said.

823
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:57,120
So that being said,
there is a law and it's a 2000 public

824
01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:01,359
there's a 2012 public act 56 Michigan
law

825
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:04,359
and that's very strict and that is a
misdemeanor.

826
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:11,600
So basically all you can do and that
mostly concerns docs. Oh and I might add

827
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:17,759
something I forgot to add. All doc
permits are done through the clerk.

828
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:22,159
Not me.
Um,

829
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:25,920
anybody, you cannot deny anyone can go
in any dock. Any boat can come off the

830
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:29,759
lake, go up to the dock, drop somebody
off or pick somebody off and go off to a

831
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:35,400
merry way. Nobody can deny them than
that. Not even an association. Nobody.

832
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,400
They're a public.

833
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:47,839
So what you cannot do or what you cannot
do more or dock a boat between midnight

834
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:53,199
and sunrise install or use a boat hoist
or void anchorage device on the public

835
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:57,840
road or obstruct another person's access
to or from the lake. Install or maintain

836
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,679
an unauthorized dock and public road in
use the public road in or dock in a

837
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,840
manner that violates restrictions and
establishments.

838
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:10,159
So, what I'm going to say because there
were incidents over there, if there's

839
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:14,880
people partying on the dock, call the
police. Really, they they will they can

840
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:20,159
be fined heavily for that. Please call
the police. Don't try to take it upon

841
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:25,520
yourself. Call the police. If it's a if
it's a road in issue, you can call me.

842
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:32,440
If it's one person that's sunbathing,
you can call me. But if this it's a big

843
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:32,440
party, call the police, please.

844
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:43,360
Okay, the last thing that I want to
address and stamina said is the parking.

845
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:49,120
So, we're going to pretend like that's
the water near the lake front runners.

846
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:54,719
This is the road. Anyone who's allowed
to park and I and I and I drove around

847
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:59,840
with the road commission and we talked
about this. If anyone is allowed to park

848
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:05,360
all along that road, they're all public
access, but they cannot obstruct. They

849
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:11,199
cannot block a driveway. They have to be
30 ft from the stop sign. Um the road,

850
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:16,080
the road that comes here, that's called
Bruce Street. Um they can park all along

851
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:21,520
that. The road that comes off from the
lake, they can park all along that, but

852
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:25,360
you cannot obstruct a uh emergency
emergency vehicle must be able to go

853
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:29,760
through.
So, and that's on both sides.

854
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:36,480
There's no there's no signs that say
there's no parking. It's it's a it's a

855
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:39,920
public road. Um, but again, and I
actually answered a call where a guy

856
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:45,679
literally was parked right up in the
stop sign right up to the uh road end

857
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:50,960
and I made a move. And that's something
I will do. I'll be very strict about

858
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:53,960
that. So, and that's the end of my
report.

859
01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:00,560
Well, thank you, sir.
I do not want to turn this into a

860
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,719
freeforall.
>> Oh, can I add one more thing?

861
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:09,040
» Anybody that wants any information, our
ordinance 62 pertains to act, that's on

862
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:14,320
our web page.
Anyone that wants any information about

863
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:19,280
the Jacobs ruling, they can go and
Google it and they and they can do it.

864
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:25,199
Anyone who wants information about the
law, public act 56, it was easy to

865
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:29,520
obtain. I just Google and print it and
it's very informative. It really lays

866
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:33,320
out the rule, especially 56. That's a
serious serious law.

867
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:41,040
» Okay. Thanks. So, as the ordinance
officer, he's informing you of how he's

868
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:46,560
going to handle the situation to the
best of his knowledge right now. I would

869
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:50,960
really like to stay away from arguments
in regards to disputes with what he just

870
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:55,040
said.
I don't know that we're going to be able

871
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:59,600
to get away with that. I can tell you
that I've been in almost constant

872
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:05,679
attorney.
I have been in contact with Garish

873
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:11,120
Township, Brian Hill
there.

874
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:17,440
In the end, there's going to be a better
understanding for everybody,

875
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:21,520
but it's not now today.
So, let's try and keep that in mind. If

876
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:27,600
we have questions for Bruce, that's
fine. But disputing what he's saying

877
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:32,960
right now, we're not really done doing
the research. I have emails coming back

878
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:37,760
from a couple of people yet, and I share
them with him, and we go with that. I

879
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,600
just want you to know that if I get a
complaint, the the unfortunate thing is

880
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:45,199
at Samuel said, whatever happens on
Saturday and Sunday, sometimes I don't

881
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:50,080
get the complaint till Monday or
Tuesday. So there's nothing that I can

882
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:53,760
do after the fact. In fact, there's been
many instances there's nothing. Some

883
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:59,120
people have my cell phone and they text
me. It once I get the complaint, I give

884
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,560
them my cell phone number so that we can
stay in constant contact. I want you to

885
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,679
know that.
>> Okay,

886
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,880
» that's good. appreciate that.
>> I have a question if someone if an

887
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,320
audience member wants to go first.
That's more than

888
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,920
» So, is there any general questions that
we can avoid trying to nail down details

889
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:24,320
that we're not really
prepared to nail down today?

890
01:14:21,911 --> 01:14:30,960
[snorts] Sure. We can start over here in
the front row. How's that sound?

891
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:36,159
The people on cinema set they put a dock
in

892
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:39,360
that dock has to be like in the middle
line up with the middle of their

893
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:42,360
property. Correct.
>> Correct.

894
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:51,080
» Yeah. Here we here we go again.
>> I can tell you that I read it just can't

895
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,080
be on the neighbor's property.

896
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:59,760
» Once again we this has been going on how
many years? since the late 1940s.

897
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:05,040
» We're not going to resolve it tonight.
We got to be nice to each other cuz

898
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:09,600
answers will be coming, but they're not
here right now.

899
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:15,760
» How about we'll go down this way and
come back around. So, Phil,

900
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:20,080
» yes. Must all complaints about ordinance
potential ordinance violations be

901
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:25,199
submitted.
for me

902
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:30,000
for me to act I mean for me to fully act
it has to go on that little blue sheet

903
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:34,640
that's in the office sometimes you know
I might get a call and I'll go always go

904
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,960
and check out and then I'll tell that
person they need to file a formal

905
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:42,800
complaint
>> burning complaint

906
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:48,239
a real time complaint somebody burning
you get to the point or two later if

907
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:51,440
I'll give you an example
Greg actually called me about somebody

908
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,040
burning. You talk about burning leaves,
right?

909
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:59,760
» Like Greg called me about somebody
burning leaves and I ran over them.

910
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:03,920
» Okay, that's kind of different than
>> What about the guy burning leaves down

911
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:13,040
past the store? We talked about this
many times. The smoke down there goes

912
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:15,920
leaves us as an advertising technique.
You know where I'm talking about.

913
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:19,520
» I know. Yeah, I know where
>> Yeah, I know. Exactly. I don't think

914
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:24,400
that Bernie leaves though. I think that
they're burning.

915
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:26,239
» Yeah, they're they're burning it in a
ring.

916
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,360
» They're burning in ring.
>> They're burning in a ring, which is no

917
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,520
different than somebody having a
campfire.

918
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,640
» Well, it's not a campfire. This is in
business.

919
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:38,480
» Okay, Phil, I'm going to ask you to do a
formal complaint with them and we'll

920
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:41,199
look at it again. I looked last year.
>> We can't sit here all night talking

921
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:44,560
about this.
>> I brought this up.

922
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,880
» No, I went and looked and they were
burning wood inside a ring. I said,

923
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,400
"Come in and make a formal complaint and
I will act on it." And you never did.

924
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:56,000
» I was told that I had to put writing
when Paul was doing your job.

925
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:59,760
» Yes. And this board has approved when we
hired him that he will deal with

926
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:04,880
complaints that are put in writing.
>> And I even gave you my cell number.

927
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:08,159
» Okay. Well, I like to do a real time
report. So, you come in tomorrow. I'll

928
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,400
give you tomorrow.
>> If he decides he wants to deal with it,

929
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:16,640
that's his call as the ordinance
officer.

930
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:22,520
Very good.
Okay.

931
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,520
» How you doing, Dan?

932
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:36,480
» Right. There are and that's very because
there are no parking signs down there. I

933
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,520
wasn't I don't want to mislead you. I
wasn't referring to that at all. Where

934
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:43,520
there's no parking signs, you cannot
park there. In fact, I'll take it even

935
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:47,840
further. Where the park is, we have an
ordinance. You can't pull all those

936
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:51,400
four-wheelers up right up to that beach.
We have an ordinance.

937
01:17:54,788 --> 01:18:00,840
[clears throat]
>> Okay.

938
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,840
Okay. Fire back.

939
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:14,640
» Um, do you have any idea? And I
appreciate you guys are moving forward.

940
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:19,440
Have any idea may need some more
clarification how many more meetings

941
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:26,760
down the road who you're working with
clarification specifically in

942
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,760
talking about

943
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:33,920
» we can talk about bismar because that's
under investigation

944
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,800
» yeah that's that was number one we don't
we don't know

945
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,840
» any%
it will be educational um I did want to

946
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:46,840
publicly thank Bruce and I'll see you
all um exceeded my expectations.

947
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,199
Bruce, you got

948
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:05,040
» I I can envision that
um a special meeting might have to take

949
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:11,920
place subject to deal with all the
questions. Um I like I said, Brian Hill

950
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:16,480
was gone. The uh chief was on vacation.
And I'm glad he showed up tonight. I

951
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:21,840
forgot his name. But there's some pieces
of this puzzle that need to come

952
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:27,159
together for us and then
we can start to think about where we're

953
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,159
going with it.

954
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:36,480
Okay, switching over to here. Go ahead,
sir.

955
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:39,920
» All the many all the marina on set. Now,
we got the address to you for the

956
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:44,480
sheriff's department. You want it in one
lump. You want every address for a

957
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,199
complaint for every house because there
are people that have multiple vaults.

958
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:51,280
They're not registered for them.
>> Votes are supposed to be registered to

959
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:55,840
the owner of the house.
>> Yes. Yep.

960
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:59,640
» That is true. That is true.
>> And I know who they are.

961
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:10,480
» There's a difference. There's I mean I I
can drive down Samuel set and it's not

962
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:14,960
it's not the docks that are the public
docks. It's a lot of things going on

963
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,719
down there. There's blockies. There's I
mean

964
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:21,840
» I agree.
>> There's all kinds of

965
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:25,360
you know I mean I'll rule on this end
but it's got to be

966
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:30,080
» Well, it's got it's got to go. I mean
don't I'm not biased one way or another.

967
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:35,679
I mean, if you're if you're not doing
the rolls, I'm going to act on it.

968
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:40,000
» I I would add also, this is one of the
reasons we're asking for written

969
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:45,760
complaints. When I was temporary
ordinance officer, I don't know how many

970
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:50,480
times people would tell me something.
Your your best bet is to do a formal

971
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,480
complaint with him.
>> Pictures

972
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,880
are good. Are very good.

973
01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:07,600
Okay. Nobody can hear you talking. So
>> that's a good point. So whoever files

974
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,719
the complaint,
>> nobody will ever know who filed that

975
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,159
complaint with me.
>> I will keep that totally to myself.

976
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,480
» Okay, that's
>> that the second part of that,

977
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:23,840
» excuse me. The second part of that is if
you go to court, your name comes up.

978
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:28,719
» He won't write you off.
>> He We don't have to say anything. No, I

979
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:33,199
mean it because people you have to
understand you can file a complaint and

980
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:36,880
you remain you remain anonymous to that
person, but if they if you end up in

981
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,456
civil court, they have a right to know
who's complaining about

982
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:42,880
» I I'll never divol whoever made
[clears throat] that complaint ever. And

983
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:47,440
I get, believe me, I get asked every
single time. So, [snorts]

984
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:50,640
» all right, swinging to this side. Oh,
let's go to the far corner. How's that?

985
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:54,480
» Same job.
>> I want to clarify something. Is that

986
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:59,040
mean when my daughters come up to visit
me, they cannot go down and sunbathe on

987
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,800
the dock?
>> I'm not going to answer that question

988
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:07,360
today.
>> It's pretty sad. We're all here to enjoy

989
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:11,199
the lake.
>> And that's what I don't want to try and

990
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,960
get into today is the disagreements
about whether we believe

991
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:20,560
» I think all that is in all that is in
Prop 56. I think if you read Prop 56,

992
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:24,000
that'll pretty much lay it out what you
can do on that dock and what you cannot

993
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:27,120
do on that dock. And he's right. We're
not going to answer specifically what

994
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:32,159
you can do on that dock because you have
the ability to gather that information

995
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:37,040
for yourself.
>> All right, swinging around this way.

996
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:41,800
» Anybody in the back?
>> Okay, how about you?

997
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,800
» I want to also

998
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:53,520
kindful.
>> Thank you.

999
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:58,239
» I do have a comment though about um
you're stating anybody can park on

1000
01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:01,120
anywhere.
>> Well, you cannot not anywhere. Okay. I'm

1001
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:06,560
going to do a visual.
>> No, I know. 30 time.

1002
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:09,280
» You can park along the road. Okay.
>> Right.

1003
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:13,040
» You can't park this way and the other
person park this way because then you're

1004
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:17,280
obstructed. Well, my concern is an
obstruction for emergency vehicles,

1005
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:21,440
» right? And that's exactly what
>> all up and down. That's what I said.

1006
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,920
There has to be
>> trailer can't get by.

1007
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:30,639
» Yeah. Somebody I mean they call me
because if it doesn't look like there's

1008
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:32,719
going to be an emergency vehicle to get
through there, then I will make the

1009
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,480
move.
>> And and again,

1010
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:40,800
» it isn't so much the cars. Okay.
>> We all know what it is.

1011
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:45,679
» So, it's the four wheels. this.
>> Okay, I don't know that we all know, but

1012
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:49,760
I'm going to say this again.
>> If you feel threatened or you have

1013
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:56,159
serious trespass issues, call the
police. Okay, now their definition is,

1014
01:23:54,560 --> 01:24:01,360
excuse me, just a second. Their
definition is, can the vehicle get

1015
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:05,760
through? That's not the same as are they
parked half on the road or not. This is

1016
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:10,560
another one of them things. cuz we're
not going to get to a definitive answer

1017
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:13,600
today, but the law, the state law is you
cannot block traffic. It doesn't say you

1018
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:18,159
can't park on a road.
>> I I will tell you this, working with the

1019
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:21,898
sheriff's department, as I've done. I
know that they're going to be patrolling

1020
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,760
down there more often.
[snorts]

1021
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,880
» Okay, that was that was a point that I
made and asked them to do.

1022
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,960
» Okay.
>> Okay. Coming around.

1023
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,520
Sure.
>> This is not about

1024
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:46,320
I'm just curious because that meeting
that there might be discussion about the

1025
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:51,840
property owner concern late concern with
charging of any business that were going

1026
01:24:48,480 --> 01:25:00,400
on public
was closed that case and I'm wondering

1027
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:04,560
share any details about
can you share any details about how that

1028
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:09,520
was closed if you can't.
>> No, I can't. No, I absolutely can't. So,

1029
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:13,520
I went and I know Jeremy. I do know the
owner there. I called him. He wasn't

1030
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:16,639
even aware of it. What was going on,
what they were doing. They was they were

1031
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:22,080
» taking a shortcut instead of going to
lunch, but he wasn't aware of the he

1032
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:27,040
wasn't. And I talked to I talked to the
people that were there and they assured

1033
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:32,159
me that they would move. They wouldn't
do it anymore. And I know Jeremy called

1034
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:35,120
them and from what I from I haven't had
a complaint since.

1035
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,520
» So those were his employees that were
doing that.

1036
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,600
» It was his employees. It was his
employees that were doing it. That's

1037
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:44,320
correct.
>> So the owner doesn't have to open up

1038
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,840
competition now.
>> I was just curious.

1039
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,480
» Yeah, I know.
>> You have to be in that position,

1040
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,639
» right? But I'm just telling you that's
how that's how it was closed.

1041
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:54,520
» Okay.
>> Okay.

1042
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:54,520
» Great. Good.

1043
01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:04,639
» Okay. Okay. His head's big enough as it
is now after tonight. Jeez.

1044
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:06,719
» Okay, we're going to move on. Thank you.
>> I'm not done.

1045
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,560
» Okay.
>> No. No. Bruce. Yes. Bruce, have a seat,

1046
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:14,040
please. I'm not done.
>> I'm not done.

1047
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:20,719
» Just a quick question. I want some
clarification. I'll probably open up a

1048
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:24,239
can of worms tonight, but here we are.
Um, so I did a bunch of research with

1049
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:28,560
legal scholars that I know and I've
talked to the Roscom County Road

1050
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:33,840
Commission numerous times and I want to
know if you personally know this to be

1051
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:39,440
true based on bomb vers bomb family
trust versus Babel 2010 that the Supreme

1052
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:46,239
Court for the state of Michigan ruled
that riperian rights riparian rights for

1053
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:50,880
homes in this case we'll say in Samoset
that are on this side of the road do not

1054
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:56,880
lose that right or privilege.
the riparian rights just because a

1055
01:26:53,040 --> 01:27:02,880
public road cuts through, but they do
not own the easement and they do not and

1056
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:04,800
the own the sandy shore up to the wat's
edge.

1057
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,280
» I did not want to get into that, Tim,
but you did.

1058
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,199
» No, I miss asking you. Have you heard
this?

1059
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,000
» That's another
>> That's another fight for another day.

1060
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:15,800
That's
>> that's a great answer.

1061
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:22,320
» Yeah. And I asked I asked my friends
that work for the state. So, all right.

1062
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,960
So, we'll just leave it at that.
>> It's another fight for another day.

1063
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:30,960
» There you go.
>> Okay. Thank you, Bruce.

1064
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:35,199
» Uh, Parks and Wreck is on here. I'll
briefly mention that we had our first

1065
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:39,040
meeting with some new members.
Didn't uh do a whole lot right off the

1066
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:45,800
bat. There's a couple of things coming
up and announcements that I'll get to

1067
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,800
by midnight.

1068
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:55,480
» So, that would conclude
Comments from the board or the

1069
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,480
department heads.

1070
01:27:58,051 --> 01:28:00,071
[snorts]

1071
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:23,719
Thank you folks.

1072
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:31,520
Okay, we'll move on for a while here.
See if we can get some of it done. Maybe

1073
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:36,719
we're going to have to take a break.
Uh, next on the agenda is approval of

1074
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:43,520
the consent agenda. And for today's
meeting, the consent agenda

1075
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:50,719
includes a check register from 71726
to 82026

1076
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:56,080
and the invoice register from 71826
to 82026

1077
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:59,960
as printed and delivered to me today and
is on the table there.

1078
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:09,840
I will make a motion to approve the
consent agenda as just stated.

1079
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:14,639
» Do we have a second?
>> Second. [clears throat]

1080
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:19,040
» Okay. A second by Hops. Any discussion
from the board on it?

1081
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:23,440
» Yes.
Um I don't know. I don't have the list

1082
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:28,320
of consent agenda listed in the agenda,
but that's just a formality. So, at our

1083
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:34,159
work session, Supervisor Bertran um made
reference to a foyer research foyer

1084
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:39,760
request researched by our then zoning
admin um and that he should get paid for

1085
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:45,120
that. And I'm wondering is this ACU code
on here for 15616 as we discussed is the

1086
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:48,719
one you referenced?
>> I believe it would be. Yes.

1087
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:54,560
» All right. That is a violation of state
law. I checked again since the work

1088
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:58,960
session. All for your requests, monies
must come into the township for the

1089
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:04,560
operational function only of that
department. That comes from Lumis Law

1090
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:08,239
Firm, not to line someone's pockets. If
we choose to give some money for someone

1091
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:13,360
doing research, it has to be
pre-approved by the board. And it was

1092
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:17,040
not. Supervisor Bertran nor Treasurer
Hops nor Clerk Per not that I'm saying

1093
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:21,920
they did have the unilateral authority
under state statute to cut a check with

1094
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:25,440
your township money and it was never
approved by this board. So I would like

1095
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:31,760
at this point in time I'd like to move
that we remove the consent agenda that

1096
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:37,360
the invoice register out of it put it
into the agenda as I'm allowed to do by

1097
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:41,920
law and we discuss it further.
I'll just have you know though there's

1098
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:44,960
been no check
uh that I know of cut. I haven't seen

1099
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,600
one.
>> Well, it's right here for 15616 and it

1100
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,440
says it's paid.
>> I have not seen

1101
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,480
» Oh, I'm not saying it was you. I'm just
saying you three are in the office, but

1102
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:58,639
I was just referencing what I was told
by my legal people. I know that no one

1103
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:03,120
in the office has the legal authority.
>> I agree. So I don't know how we have a

1104
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:10,400
check here as referenced at the work
session dated 83 of 2026 for $156.16

1105
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:13,920
amount due is zero status paid
journalized yes which means it's already

1106
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:17,040
been cashed
>> and paid.

1107
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:21,280
» No can't it can't have been cashed.
>> It says paid amount due zero.

1108
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:25,679
» Yeah it's have
>> it's not pending. It's not open.

1109
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,800
» Courtney hasn't done any checks yet.
Correct.

1110
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:30,880
» Well he got the check somehow.
You're talking about for Robert?

1111
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:35,199
» Yeah,
>> we got that a while ago with the bands

1112
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:39,760
two weeks ago
>> before we brought it up. I

1113
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:42,320
» I think so. And I think it was a at a
request

1114
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:46,480
» of the supervisor.
>> We brought it up before I brought it up

1115
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:52,239
before and offered it as a solution to
pay him and and Mr. Monae disputed it

1116
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:56,560
then if he got paid. I'm willing to live
with the consequences myself personally

1117
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:02,159
if that shouldn't have been done and
whatever the fine might be to me I it's

1118
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:06,400
» it's the whole township we are a board
you do not have unilateral authority to

1119
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:09,360
step on our toes and put us under the
bus

1120
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,360
» without board approval we all have an
equal

1121
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:16,159
» if you would like if you would like to
try and pull it now I wasn't aware that

1122
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:18,880
he actually got it I know that's what we
had discussed about

1123
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:23,480
» how'd he get it without a signature from
the authorization from the proper

1124
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,480
person.

1125
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,520
» Look at me.
>> You can't You don't cut checks.

1126
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:34,800
» No, but if I if it happened and it was
because of something I did, then I am

1127
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:40,880
the responsible person. And that's if I
screwed up in your eyes, if I screwed up

1128
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:45,679
in the eyes of the law, I'm fine.
That is what happened.

1129
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:51,600
And now we're either moving forward or
we talk about it some more.

1130
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:55,679
And here we are again that there was
retroactive pay without board authority.

1131
01:32:53,760 --> 01:33:00,560
And this time, Supervisor Bertran took
it upon himself to unilaterally use your

1132
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:04,239
tax dollars which was supposed to be an
operational function those foyer

1133
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:11,080
requests instead of put giving it to the
township, put it in someone's pocket.

1134
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,080
» That is correct.

1135
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:19,199
The the issue was whether or not he got
paid before for this stuff, which we

1136
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:23,520
actually we still need to resolve.
>> He never has.

1137
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:25,840
» Clerk P was going to look and see if he
could find any checks that were ever

1138
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,840
cashed by.
>> I've never found any.

1139
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:32,400
» Okay.
>> Before that,

1140
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:37,440
» I I'll own it. I don't have a problem
owning it. So, I'd like to remind this

1141
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:42,080
board that under state law, if you
approve the consent agenda, that means

1142
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:46,560
you are unanimously, well, you're under
individual votes, obviously, approving

1143
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,840
that payment, and that can come back to
haunt us. I just want you to know that's

1144
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:56,000
what the law says. That's the way
statute works. Once the consent agenda

1145
01:33:52,080 --> 01:34:02,159
is done, you cannot backtrack.
>> So, here we are.

1146
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:07,520
» Here we are at 8:30.
I can run a motion to pass it as it is

1147
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:11,520
and if that fails
can run a motion to remove it. If it

1148
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,760
turns out that I'm the culpable party
that the fact that he got this money, I

1149
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:19,280
will own up to it and do whatever it
takes to make things right. But we're

1150
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,280
not going to sit here tonight and keep
going about it because that's pointless.

1151
01:34:22,639 --> 01:34:26,719
» And it was
>> Is there any other comments at the

1152
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:32,159
session that you didn't have the right
to do that and you did it anyway?

1153
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:35,280
» That was your statement. Yes.
All right.

1154
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:38,880
» So, for the board, is there any more
board comments? And we'll run it. If it

1155
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:45,760
doesn't pass, it doesn't pass and we can
pull it. All I'm saying is if I screwed

1156
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:50,000
it up, it's me. So, let's keep moving.
>> Um,

1157
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:56,280
any other board comments then on the
motion to approve it as it was written

1158
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,280
and delivered to us today?

1159
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:03,080
» Okay. So we had the second.

1160
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:13,040
So on the approval of the consent agenda
for check register 717 to 820, invoice

1161
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:16,040
register 718 to 820.
Um

1162
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:24,080
with the money involved, we better have
a roll call, please. Clerk Burn.

1163
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:28,719
» Okay.
Clerk Burn. Yes.

1164
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,440
Trustee Monet,
>> no.

1165
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:34,560
» Trustee Demer,
>> yes.

1166
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:38,480
» Treasure Hops,
>> no.

1167
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:41,760
» Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes.

1168
01:35:41,141 --> 01:35:49,840
[snorts]
>> Okay, so that carries as is 3 to two and

1169
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:54,360
for the clarity of the clarity sake.
>> Why do you get the vote?

1170
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,360
» Wow.

1171
01:35:55,440 --> 01:36:00,239
because I have a vote in this matter.
>> No, you don't. This is a public

1172
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,040
interest.
>> I hear what you're saying.

1173
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:06,480
» You hear what I'm saying, but you don't
listen.

1174
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:11,440
» Philip, you have every right to come
after me. All I'm saying is I do not

1175
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:17,360
believe that everybody sitting here was
responsible as much as I was. If there's

1176
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:21,120
heat to come from this, bring it to me.
>> Tell us what you're going to do in the

1177
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:26,639
future. People really want to know
>> if he has determined Let's not break

1178
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:30,639
into a conversation that's mutually, you
know, exclusive of the other people one

1179
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:34,400
at a time. What I'm going to try and do
in the future now that he has confirmed

1180
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:38,080
that this person did not get checks
before

1181
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:42,000
would be that we will then have to
determine how we handle foyer requests.

1182
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:47,040
If we are paying the person who is doing
the research, that's a board decision.

1183
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:51,159
If the money needs to be repaid, I have
no problem repaying it myself.

1184
01:36:52,719 --> 01:37:00,119
It stops with me, right?
>> Have a nice evening. Thank you for

1185
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:00,119
coming. I'll be at the state tomorrow.

1186
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:03,239
» Yep.

1187
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:10,320
» I'd like Okay.
>> I'd like to say one thing. Uh I've

1188
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:17,760
worked as a court baiff for the last 10
years. I spent a lot of time in court.

1189
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:22,320
And there'll be a law that says this and
this attorney will say the law means

1190
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:26,960
that and this attorney will mean this
law means another thing and they argue

1191
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:32,320
over the same law. They all have
different opinions and it takes a judge

1192
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:38,480
to make a decision. Uh just because
somebody quotes a law and says this is

1193
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:43,920
what it means isn't necessarily true. It
could be true but it may not be true.

1194
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:49,040
And I, like I said, I've spent hours and
hours and hours in court and I've heard

1195
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,520
all kinds of attorneys say the law means
this and all kinds of attorneys say the

1196
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:58,880
law means that and it takes a judge to
make a decision. And that's just my

1197
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:02,639
statement.
>> Okay, we're going to try and keep moving

1198
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:05,920
on here. The next thing on the agenda is
the approval of the past board meeting

1199
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:12,560
minutes
drafts from 7826 and 7:1526.

1200
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:17,280
Uh, these were handed out to the board
members last week, so we got them now.

1201
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:20,639
You had a chance to look at them. I'll
make a motion that we approve those

1202
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:23,280
minutes as reviewed.
>> Do we have a second?

1203
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:28,320
» Second.
>> Okay, a second by Hops.

1204
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:31,639
Uh, any further discussion from the
board members?

1205
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:41,520
Uh, hearing none. All those in favor of
approving those board minute meeting

1206
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:47,600
drafts
uh signify by saying I

1207
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:52,440
» I oppose the same.
Okay, that motion carries four to zero.

1208
01:38:52,480 --> 01:39:00,159
Uh Mr. Monet already made some comments
but we are actually it's not on the

1209
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:05,119
agenda but we are two board comments.
Um

1210
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:09,440
the only comment I have at this point is
the um

1211
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:14,800
parks and the involvement in the grant
applications that we have which is for

1212
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:20,320
some huge sums of money is probably
being done right now and be done before

1213
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:25,040
September where we will get an initial
merit scoring ranking.

1214
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:29,119
Um, we've talked about this before
because it's also hooked into making

1215
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:33,760
sure that we take care of our parks in
case there's any spot inspections.

1216
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:39,119
I'm going to get more involved in that
as the time goes on. Um, until I see

1217
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:43,360
that ranking score, I'm going to act
like we need to do everything we can to

1218
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:48,239
make sure that we don't have a spot
inspection that somehow screws us out of

1219
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:52,080
the two grants that we wrote to improve
both parks.

1220
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:57,960
Other than that, I don't have a comment.
Anybody

1221
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,960
else has got one? Go ahead.

1222
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:08,480
Okay. Hearing none,
we're on to approving the meeting agenda

1223
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:13,280
with possible modifications or
additions.

1224
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:16,159
I have a couple and then God help us,
maybe we can get through this pretty

1225
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:20,719
quick
on the agenda itself. Number one is the

1226
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:25,040
interviews for the zoning admin. We
already took care of that. So the new

1227
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:32,520
number one would be the personal
handbook.

1228
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:32,520
I want to add as a number 10

1229
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:41,280
uh accepting my resignation as one of
the two Lion Township representatives on

1230
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:46,480
the Ross Common District Library Board
as number 11. uh that the board approval

1231
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:50,000
of Sheriad Ziggian
as one of the two Lion Township

1232
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:53,880
representatives on the Ross Common
District Library Board.

1233
01:40:54,320 --> 01:41:00,880
That's the only additions I have. So
that brings me at least by my count up

1234
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:05,239
to number 10 and number 11. Are there
any other ones from the board members?

1235
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:15,840
» Okay, hearing none,
>> you have the hiring

1236
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:21,440
Yeah, it's on Well, the hiring actually
I had 12 and 13 for both of them. Yeah,

1237
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:24,000
that would be 12 and 13. Do them
individually. Sorry.

1238
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:30,000
» Or just one.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Which? Okay.

1239
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:32,719
» So, we'll do that as number 12 would be
the hiring.

1240
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,040
» Philip will be next time once she gets
that.

1241
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:38,719
» Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Once you told me
you already went through it, I kind of

1242
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:43,119
went
Okay. So, that would be number 12. So,

1243
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:47,719
we would have 12 in total. Has anybody
else on the board got anything they want

1244
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,719
to add?

1245
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:58,000
Okay. Uh,
so as modified, I'll make a motion we

1246
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:00,800
approve the agenda as modified. Do we
have a second?

1247
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:06,600
» Second.
>> Okay. Second by Hops. Any further

1248
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:06,600
discussion from the board?

1249
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:13,040
Okay. Hearing none. All in favor of
approving the agenda as modified signify

1250
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,840
by saying I.
>> I.

1251
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:17,520
» I.
>> All right.

1252
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:23,679
» Oppose the same. Motion carries four to
zero. That brings us to the agenda which

1253
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:27,679
will be number two. If you're looking at
the one that's here, [cough]

1254
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:32,880
discuss and approve the final version of
the personal handbook for employees.

1255
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:37,920
Uh, everybody had it. Everybody looked
at it. We got feedback.

1256
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:44,159
Uh my deputy ended up making a couple of
minor corrections in it and we're good

1257
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:48,239
to go. Um
I will make a motion to approve the

1258
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:53,760
final employee handbook as reviewed and
presented. We have it um changed and

1259
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:57,760
altered.
It's a matter of getting a second and

1260
01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:02,520
moving forward at this point.
>> I'm going to second. Does I have a

1261
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,520
question?

1262
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:09,520
» Uh okay. sang it by Hops. Okay. For this
discussion,

1263
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:13,600
» where's the final draft?
>> She, I believe, gave it to you guys,

1264
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,440
emailed it to you guys.
>> No.

1265
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:20,159
» Well, I don't have it.
>> I don't have it either. The version, it

1266
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:27,440
was a combination of what you two had
added with the uh bereavement time

1267
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:29,920
» and the pay payoff. See,
>> she discussed it with us. We have a copy

1268
01:43:29,471 --> 01:43:34,000
[clears throat] of
>> I know she put it in one. I thought she

1269
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:38,480
emailed it to you guys.
No, no email.

1270
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:42,159
» Okay, that were the that was the only
changes. I took out all of the

1271
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:45,840
additional italicized
>> stuff that I put in there. We're right

1272
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:51,400
back to the bare bones.
>> Um, as was given you guys last week.

1273
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,239
» Any other discussion from the board?

1274
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:04,560
Okay. Uh hearing none on a motion to
approve the final employee handbook as

1275
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,000
reviewed
and I'll have to find out why it didn't

1276
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:11,119
get emailed.
Can we have a roll call, please? Clerk

1277
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:14,239
burn.
>> Sure.

1278
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,000
» Trustee Detner.
>> No.

1279
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:20,239
I'd like to see the final draft before I
vote for it.

1280
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,840
» That's exactly what
>> Yeah, I I agree.

1281
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:30,080
Treasure H.
>> No. Okay. [clears throat]

1282
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:30,080
» Clerk P. No.

1283
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:36,320
Supervisor Bertra,
>> I'll say yes because I did see it, but

1284
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:43,239
apparently it didn't make it back to you
guys.

1285
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:43,239
» Okay, so that fails at one, two, three.

1286
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:52,040
Next is uh discuss and approve. Let me
make sure I got that.

1287
01:44:54,239 --> 01:45:02,080
discuss and approve potentially approve
the cleaning service contract with ROC

1288
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:05,560
the core people that come and clean. We
have a new contract

1289
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:12,679
um
effect for one year commence August 1.

1290
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:22,480
I suspect that you gave copies of this
um to the board members or

1291
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:27,679
Mr. apps.
>> This not doesn't have my name on it.

1292
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:32,320
» I didn't I didn't get one.
>> I got one here that says I would say we

1293
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:34,800
just renew it.
>> Yeah. But

1294
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,719
» is that was that from you or
>> That's That's for me. Yeah.

1295
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,560
» All right.
>> But you got to sign it. And it's it's

1296
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,400
the same contract as last year. No
increase.

1297
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,560
» Yeah, I know. I got to sign it. I didn't
know if anybody

1298
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:48,320
» Yeah, there's no increase.
>> There's no increase. It's one year deal.

1299
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:52,560
Yep.
uh some of the issues on on the type of

1300
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:57,679
work they were doing. I believe we went
over that.

1301
01:45:54,960 --> 01:46:01,199
» Yeah, they were addressed.
>> I'm okay with moving it along. I can

1302
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:04,199
make a motion and if it fails, that's
fine.

1303
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:12,000
So, [snorts] I'll make a motion that we
approve the new contract, which is only

1304
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:16,480
different in that it is the next year
starting August 1.

1305
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:24,800
um
with RO O R O C to do the cleaning of

1306
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:28,343
our office and bathrooms once a week. We
have a second on that.

1307
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:28,343
» Second. [clears throat]

1308
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:35,920
» Okay. A second from Hops. Any further
discussion?

1309
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:43,600
» Yeah, we the only discussion we had was
we had another lady offer to give us a

1310
01:46:40,639 --> 01:46:51,600
price on things. It was drastically
higher number one, but we were told that

1311
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:55,840
uh maybe the treasurer would have a talk
with the cleaning crew on a Friday and

1312
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:58,960
that was done. They said they would
improve their service and that's all I

1313
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:02,400
needed to hear. [snorts]
Yeah. Plus, we we need to go back to

1314
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:05,440
cleaning when we have meetings like
this.

1315
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:10,000
We need to go back to the maintenance
crew cleaning this room because some of

1316
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:13,679
the stuff stays here and that was part
of the problem between those two. The

1317
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,840
discussion and that I think we got it
solved.

1318
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:22,000
» Mhm.
>> Um any further discussion?

1319
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:27,600
Okay. Can we have a roll call on that
please? Clerk per.

1320
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,760
» Sure.
>> Um Supervisor Bertrren.

1321
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:37,040
» Yes.
>> Uh Treasure Hub. Yes,

1322
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:40,239
» clerk P. Yes,
>> Trusty Dler.

1323
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:46,400
» Yes.
>> Okay, that carries at four to zero.

1324
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:51,520
Next is to discuss and vote on a draft
township purchasing policy presented and

1325
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:57,280
reviewed over the last week.
Uh, so I gave this to you guys last

1326
01:47:53,840 --> 01:48:02,000
week. I really got no input on anything
changing.

1327
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:06,639
So, other than the italicized versions
of things in there that I pulled out in

1328
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:11,360
the final version,
um you've all had a chance to look at

1329
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:15,280
it.
As I've already explained, it is

1330
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:22,239
important that we have this in place
prior to grant scoring and during grant

1331
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:27,760
scoring as we we can submit form
paperwork to bolster our case.

1332
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:31,280
uh we have to be on the ball on spending
money, care, maintenance, and I think

1333
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:37,280
it's also good for us that we are
holding ourselves accountable

1334
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:40,880
with how we do business here.
That being said, I'll make a motion to

1335
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:49,440
approve the new township purchasing
policy as it was presented last week.

1336
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:54,239
Do we have a second?
Yeah, I'll second. Okay, we have a

1337
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:58,119
second from Clerk P. Any further
discussion from the board?

1338
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:06,159
Okay. Hearing none, again, could we have
a roll call in it because it certainly

1339
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:09,280
is about handling money.
>> Mhm.

1340
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:13,040
» Treasurer H.
>> Yes.

1341
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:17,040
» Clerk P. No.
>> Trustee Detmer.

1342
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:24,400
» No.
>> Supervisor Bertrren.

1343
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:30,360
» Yes. So, let me back. Okay. Monops.
Okay. So, that is stalled at 2:2 at the

1344
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:30,360
moment.

1345
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:36,639
Next,
I don't know if you guys I put it in

1346
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:39,840
your packets, but you should have
something that says hello MTA on the top

1347
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:42,800
of it here.
>> And there's a bunch of copies over

1348
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:47,280
there.
>> I asked our attorney to give us some

1349
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:52,320
explanation on um what we could do about
possible moratoriums. We've been talking

1350
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:57,600
about this for about a month. moratorium
on data centers. So the the copy that's

1351
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:02,719
supplied over there on the board has got
a picture of our attorney uh Michael Bea

1352
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:07,440
and Robert Thal. No great surprise, they
represent MTA, so they're already all

1353
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:11,440
over this thing. So he sent me that
document explaining and then he sent me

1354
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:16,719
a blank
um

1355
01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:21,520
uh ordinance that we could use to for a
temporary moratorium on data centers.

1356
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:25,440
And what that really means is we're
saying we need more time to think about

1357
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:29,199
this, go over research, do data
gathering. It's just saying we're not

1358
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,400
going to we're going to say we're not
going to do anything until we get more

1359
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:38,480
information.
Uh so in the end it is a very simple

1360
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:43,440
ordinance
and all it is doing is declaring a

1361
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:48,560
moratorium
and that's uh the backstory on it. I can

1362
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:53,040
make a motion and see if this passes
tonight.

1363
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:58,560
So for the township of Lion, Ross Common
County, it will be ordinance number 68.

1364
01:50:56,719 --> 01:51:04,560
Uh ordinance to enact a temporary
moratorum on data centers. It goes on,

1365
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:11,760
it's only two pages, goes on to explain
the purpose of it and it can take effect

1366
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:17,280
uh upon publication. So if we adopt it,
we could send it to the newspaper and

1367
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:21,280
once they put it in, we're good to go.
So, I'm going to make that motion. It

1368
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:26,080
doesn't have to happen, but it's a
pretty simple process. I'll make the

1369
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:31,119
motion that we approve
adopting ordinance number 68, which is

1370
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:35,760
titled an ordinance to enact a temporary
moratorium on data centers.

1371
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:41,440
Do we have a second for that?
>> I second.

1372
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:46,119
» Okay. So, we have a second by Demer.
Any further discussion from the board?

1373
01:51:46,719 --> 01:51:53,760
Um,
>> okay. Hearing none.

1374
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:57,280
No, there is one more thing. My concern
in this is I don't think we can stop it

1375
01:51:55,599 --> 01:52:02,719
on state land, but maybe some of you
this has crossed your mind. If you go

1376
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:08,719
west of Higgins Lake into the drainages
from Big Creek and Little Creek and you

1377
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:13,440
go down Morristown Road, there's water
all the way down through that state

1378
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:17,520
lane. If somebody decided to think about
putting something out there, we probably

1379
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:22,480
couldn't stop them. But this is the
first step in trying to be able to get

1380
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:27,280
control of some things.
So, [snorts] if there's no further

1381
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:33,199
discussion from the board,
all those in favor of adopting

1382
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:37,360
a new ordinance number 68 for Lion
Township signify by saying I.

1383
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:44,639
» I
oppose the same.

1384
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:50,400
Okay, that motion carries four to zero.
Next is to distribute

1385
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:55,920
and you should have this too. We talked
last week about veterans and I asked our

1386
01:52:52,880 --> 01:53:01,360
attorney uh some questions about it. He
affirm he replied in the affirmative

1387
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:05,040
that we can purchase posters honoring
veterans

1388
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:08,400
uh especially a historical interest of
the township. We can do that. That was

1389
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:12,880
the main question. Can we do that
legally? and use the money for it. I

1390
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:17,360
think it was Mr. Monae had that
question. Yes, we can.

1391
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:20,880
Uh
he said he was a little less comfortable

1392
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:26,639
with donating money to the private
organization as far as uh Amvets, but he

1393
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:30,000
did say we could offer him a deal. We
could say we can have our maintenance

1394
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:34,159
crew come over there for a reduced rate
and do something. Um

1395
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,840
» I thought I asked for that to be
withdrawn.

1396
01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:39,440
» You did?
>> You did. But I'm saying I ended up

1397
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:44,000
sending him this and he sent back both
answers, which is what you got there.

1398
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:49,199
So, as far as why it's on here, I I
wanted to make a motion that we pursue

1399
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:55,040
prices and more information on
purchasing acceptable material to honor

1400
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:59,280
my township veterans and family members.
No set price. Just move forward on this.

1401
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:05,119
See what we can find and what we can
come up with.

1402
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:08,960
So on that motion to pursue it. Uh do we
have a second?

1403
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:15,880
» No second.
>> Okay. A second from Hops. Is there any

1404
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:15,880
further discussion from the board?

1405
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:20,960
Hearing none. All those in favor signify
by saying I.

1406
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:27,440
» I. I.
>> I. Oppose. The same. That motion carries

1407
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:35,199
four to zero.
Next is to revisit a power plant grant.

1408
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:40,000
Uh this previous motion failed uh at one
to three with a board member missing.

1409
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:44,800
Still missing, but I'll I'll run it. Uh
the this was for a grant that we got for

1410
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:49,119
a camera.
I'll change the motion again to just

1411
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:53,520
pursuit. [clears throat] So they ended
up putting uh the old camera, moved the

1412
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:58,880
old camera to a different location. So,
we have an existing pole that has the

1413
01:54:55,520 --> 01:55:02,480
hookup still on it. I asked security,
give me a number then just to buy the we

1414
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:07,280
can use the grant money to buy the
camera or defer most of the cost to just

1415
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:11,040
put a new one up on that pole because
all the wiring is already there. They

1416
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:17,599
have not answered me yet, but I just
sent it yesterday day before yesterday.

1417
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:21,599
Uh, I still am advocating that every
time we get PAR, every time we get a

1418
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:26,159
grant approval from the power plan, if
we don't use it, that reduces our

1419
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:30,800
chances in the future.
Uh, based on that and the fact that now

1420
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:34,560
we do have a pole with power up it or
with the connections on it, it's

1421
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:39,440
probably going to be less money than we
were talking before. So, I'm going to

1422
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:43,599
make a motion that we pursue a new cost
estimate to use the grant money

1423
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:49,760
dedicated for the new camera purchase
and install it on the existing Southwest

1424
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:55,440
Pole at Phoenix, now vacant because uh
the camera was moved and it has existing

1425
01:55:52,080 --> 01:56:00,080
wiring already. Do we have a second on
that?

1426
01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:03,599
» I'll second so we can get a vote and get
this off of the

1427
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:06,599
» Okay, second by Hops. Any further
discussion?

1428
01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:14,239
Okay. Certainly money. Could we have a
roll call then for that as stated to use

1429
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:21,199
the grant money to buy the new camera?
>> Let me ask one question before we get to

1430
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:25,360
that. Um the motion was to pursue an
estimate. I'm sorry I didn't say that.

1431
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:28,960
» That's all we're talking. So there is no
money involved yet.

1432
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:33,760
» No, no money. It's if he gives us a
price, we could certainly talk look at

1433
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:36,719
it, but I haven't got one yet. Well,
then I don't think we need a roll call

1434
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:44,400
vote to you.
>> You're right. How about we switch it to

1435
01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:47,040
no further discussion from the board?
>> Mhm.

1436
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:51,920
» Okay. Then all those in favor of
pursuing a new estimate to use that

1437
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:54,159
grant money signify
by saying I.

1438
01:56:53,840 --> 01:57:00,159
» I.
>> That would be I. That would be me

1439
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:01,599
and you. All those opposed the same.
>> No.

1440
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:06,159
» No.
>> Okay. That one's two to two still. Wow,

1441
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:10,360
that could be a record.
Keeps coming up two to two.

1442
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:16,800
Uh,
revisit the clearing the brush along the

1443
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:23,040
West Higgins Lake Drive at the cemetery.
Mr. Hops and I have talked about this. I

1444
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:29,840
I wanted to add um in the before we had
no second, no motion, no discussion.

1445
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:34,719
Uh the cemetery is included in the parks
and wreck fund which is a millillage

1446
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:40,400
intended to be used for improvements.
Last year we spent over $15,000 chasing

1447
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:46,000
oak wilt around and it worked great and
we got rid of a lot of it and we used

1448
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:53,920
park and wreck money for that. Uh so the
cost of this would be it's $3,000 $3,15.

1449
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:58,719
Uh Mr. Mr. Hops and I were talking about
that we if we remember the fact that we

1450
01:57:55,679 --> 01:58:02,719
have $15,000 we didn't spend. There is
money to do this and for the public it's

1451
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:08,080
to clear a stretch
from the cemetery driveway

1452
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:12,239
alongside where the water pump house is
so that you can actually see the back

1453
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:16,080
half of that cemetery from the road. And
of course we know Bruce does a great

1454
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:19,920
job, but they would take the underbrush
out, leave the trees so you can see

1455
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:25,119
through there.
Um,

1456
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:30,000
so the reason I brought it up again is
because that $15,000 we we don't have to

1457
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:35,119
use this year, is there? There's
probably money to do this. No problem.

1458
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:40,159
Again, it's a millage. We're supposed to
spend this money for improvements.

1459
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:44,320
So, I'll run it by again. Uh, I'll make
a motion that we approve the contract

1460
01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:50,320
for the brush clearing at the cemetery
for a cost of $3,15

1461
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:54,040
from Land Works LLC. So, do we have a
second on that tonight?

1462
01:58:54,239 --> 01:59:01,199
I will second for discussion.
>> Okay. And then further discussion. I

1463
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:04,880
already told you where I'm at on it.
>> And I told you where I'm at. I said, why

1464
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:09,840
don't we wait till next year?
>> I hear you. Uh, any further discussion

1465
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:13,159
from the board? I'd rather see trees
than tombstones.

1466
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:23,239
Oh, okay. Took me a while to figure out
where you're going with that. Uh, any

1467
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:23,239
other discussion from the board.

1468
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:31,280
Okay. So, that is money. Uh, if we do a
quick roll call here, we can move right

1469
01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:34,400
out of this one.
>> Okay. Treasure Hut.

1470
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:36,800
» No.
>> Trusty Demer.

1471
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:39,679
» No.
>> Clerk P. No.

1472
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:44,560
» Okay.
>> Supervisor Bertrren.

1473
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:48,560
» Yes. So, this is uh now that we actually
discussed it,

1474
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:53,520
» I think it's a great idea to park it
till next year.

1475
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:58,719
Again, uh number eight is revisit health
and safety committee. When we talked

1476
01:59:55,760 --> 02:00:03,119
about this before,
uh I didn't I ended up calling Paul

1477
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:08,960
Olsson, our insurance company
rep. Uh he said that one of the things

1478
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:13,520
that it it might be worth considering to
have a committee is that you could have

1479
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:17,119
the committee do an inventory of stuff.
Uh and it would be if for no other

1480
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:22,719
reason than if there was ever any
insurance claims on theft or fire. You

1481
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:26,159
might have a better idea. I I get what
he's saying.

1482
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:29,520
But again, this is one of those ones
that either we weren't all here or it

1483
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:33,440
didn't get a second. So I'm going to run
it by again. I'll make a motion that the

1484
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:37,599
board create a health and safety
committee for the purpose of building

1485
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:40,960
and property walkthrough inspections and
input.

1486
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:45,440
Do we have a second?
>> I'll second for sacred discussion.

1487
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:49,760
» Okay.
Further discussion being go to

1488
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:55,119
buildings, you look around, make sure
everything you don't have gas cans in

1489
02:00:52,480 --> 02:01:01,520
the library, stuff like that. Uh but
then also the addition inventorying what

1490
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:04,719
we had is probably not a bad idea.
Uh any other

1491
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:11,599
» I just don't I don't see the reason for
it. I I don't understand. We haven't had

1492
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:17,440
an issue so far. It just seems like uh
why we need a health and safety

1493
02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:21,440
committee is is beyond me.
>> Understood. Every place I ever worked,

1494
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:28,360
we had one. That's you know, but we have
a difference of opinion.

1495
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:28,360
» Uh any other comment from the board?

1496
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:37,280
Okay. Hearing none.
Let me back that up. All those in

1497
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:42,159
favor of a motion to create a health and
safety committee for those purposes

1498
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:46,719
signify by saying I.
>> That would be me.

1499
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:51,760
» And oppose the same.
>> No.

1500
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:55,760
» Okay. So that motion fails at one four.
Number nine. Accepting a resignation.

1501
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:59,360
And I'm going to make a board a motion
that the board accept my resignation as

1502
02:01:57,679 --> 02:02:04,800
Lion [clears throat] Township
representative from the Ross Common

1503
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:11,920
District Library Board immediately. We
have two slots. I'm in one. Nancy and

1504
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:18,000
I'm going to screw her name up. Not even
going to try. Ny's in the other one. I'm

1505
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:24,560
going to resign. Uh and I would like you
to accept my resignation.

1506
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:27,800
Um, so on that motion to accept it, do I
have a second?

1507
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:35,320
» Okay. And any further discussion from
the board

1508
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:46,239
hearing? None. And the position itself
had money. I never took money, but we

1509
02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:50,639
should do a roll call.
>> Okay. Trusty Dmer.

1510
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:54,560
» Yes.
Cliff Per, yes.

1511
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:57,920
Fisher Hunt,
>> yes.

1512
02:02:56,239 --> 02:03:03,679
» Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes. Thank you, gentlemen.

1513
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:07,175
Uh, so that motion carries four to zero.
Number 10 is to approve

1514
02:03:05,864 --> 02:03:12,560
[cough and clears throat]
[snorts] an appointment of uh for that

1515
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:18,880
position. So, I'll make a motion. Sherry
Edzigian has graciously

1516
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:25,040
um offered to fill that position
and she is pretty tuned in to the

1517
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:29,920
library and I think it's a great fit
and I couldn't be more happy that you're

1518
02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:33,920
willing to do it actually.
>> Well, you're you're a better fit than I

1519
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:38,000
was there for different reasons. We got
that resolved. Okay. So, I'm going to

1520
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:42,000
make a motion that the board approve the
appointment of Sherry Ed Ziggy into the

1521
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:46,719
open position on the Ross Common
District Library Board as the a as a

1522
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:49,719
line representative effective
immediately.

1523
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:55,280
Do we have a second?
>> Second.

1524
02:03:53,599 --> 02:04:00,480
» Okay.
Any further discussion? I do have some

1525
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:04,560
Mr. Monae has some opinions about this.
Our attorney has already told us that we

1526
02:04:02,639 --> 02:04:09,040
don't need to submit paperwork. If you
want to quit, you can quit. We can

1527
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:15,040
appoint people. They need to be sworn
in. He has a different opinion. And God

1528
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:22,199
bless America. Uh I'm comfortable with
doing this this way.

1529
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:22,199
Any other discussion from the board?

1530
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:27,760
Okay. And there is potentially money
involved. So if we could do a roll call,

1531
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:33,040
please.
>> Clerk Burn. Yes. Treasure Hunt.

1532
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:36,320
» Yes.
Supervisor Bertrram.

1533
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:41,199
» Yes.
>> And trustees, whatever your name is on

1534
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:45,599
their death.
>> Yes.

1535
02:04:42,719 --> 02:04:49,760
» Okay. Motion carries four to zero. Thank
you very much, Sherry. Welcome aboard. I

1536
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:54,960
know you're going to do a great job and
you're going to enjoy those meetings.

1537
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:59,520
» And remember this, they got a million
dollar budget.

1538
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:03,440
So when they start pinching pennies, you
get in there and save. Come

1539
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:06,639
» on. That means we need to up the rent
here.

1540
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:13,280
» Well, I don't know about that. Anyway,
uh number 11. Uh okay, I'm going to

1541
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:19,360
scratch 11. I had that as Phillip. So, I
will call number 11.

1542
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:22,960
Um as recommended by Fire Chief Fay.
I'll make a motion that the board

1543
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:26,239
approve the hiring of Brianna McGillan.
Is that correct?

1544
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:32,320
As an [clears throat] addition to the
Line Township Fire Department,

1545
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:35,840
» not EMS yet.
joining the department.

1546
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:40,800
» Okay.
>> So, as stated, fire to the Lion Township

1547
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:44,719
Fire Department.
>> Do we have a second for that?

1548
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:49,280
» Second.
>> Okay. A second by Demmer. Any further

1549
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:52,239
discussion from the board?
>> Just a quick question. She's at Cam

1550
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:57,000
Gring currently.
>> Yes.

1551
02:05:53,679 --> 02:05:57,000
» What is she?

1552
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:05,639
» She's a guardsman. Logistics.
>> Logistics.

1553
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:05,639
» She's a

1554
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:11,280
sergeant.
>> Okay.

1555
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:15,679
Just curious.
>> I saw it on her resume.

1556
02:06:14,507 --> 02:06:18,560
[clears throat]
>> Well, she

1557
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:22,880
Okay.
>> The application was certainly fine and

1558
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:25,679
we're certainly looking for people. So,
you're doing something right if they're

1559
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:32,360
coming out of the woodwork and trying to
get in. Appreciate that.

1560
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,360
Um,

1561
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:38,719
there's money. We got to roll call that,
too.

1562
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:42,800
» We got to make a motion first, huh?
>> I got a second from Demmer.

1563
02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:46,719
» Oh, you did. The silent man. Okay.
>> And then discussion. Well, we kind of

1564
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:50,360
blew through discussion unless somebody
else has got no.

1565
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:58,480
» Okay. So,
treasure hubs.

1566
02:06:56,079 --> 02:07:01,199
» Yes.
Trusty Demer.

1567
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:05,840
» Yes. [snorts]
>> Clerk P. Yes.

1568
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:13,079
And Supervisor Bertram.
>> Yes. So that motion carries four to

1569
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:13,079
zero. And tell her welcome aboard.

1570
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:18,639
» Okay. Unless I miss something.
>> That's it.

1571
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:24,480
» That's the end of the agenda. So getting
into announcements.

1572
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:28,639
Uh the cancer sucks tournament
is going to be in September. There's

1573
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:32,880
paperwork over there on the desk about
it if you'd like to get in involved or

1574
02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:38,159
make donations.
Excuse me. Certainly appreciated. It's a

1575
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:41,760
good cause. Great baseball teams come
from all over the state to play that

1576
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:46,000
weekend and you'll see some great
baseball.

1577
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:49,520
Uh
so I just got the paperwork on that.

1578
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:53,119
You're going to start seeing it on our
bulletin boards or getting pushed on

1579
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:58,280
Facebook.
the fish sculpture at Phoenix Park.

1580
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:07,119
Two things I'm going to say now. I ended
up uh doing some emergency spending. The

1581
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:12,639
maintenance crew uh declined to try and
deal with it because of the size of the

1582
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:19,360
mounting post. I ended up finding uh
actually Nick Sergeant was willing to

1583
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:23,199
uh use a process to put a pole in
similar to a light pole, which was the

1584
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:27,280
only thing that made sense to me and he
was the only one willing to do it and we

1585
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:31,119
got to get this thing up because the
kiosks

1586
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:37,599
with the map of all these water spots in
Roscommen County are here.

1587
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:43,280
Um, so I did it'll come out probably in
the next consent agenda that uh that

1588
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:48,239
would be under $1,500 for him to come
out and put that poll in and also put

1589
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:53,360
the attachment on the top that I did
that without board approval. And also

1590
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:57,199
for Martin Schelby
when the pole was up there, the huge

1591
02:08:55,679 --> 02:09:01,119
pine tree there, a couple branches
needed to be trimmed off the side so

1592
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:05,520
that we can get a good visual on the
fish hanging there within what is going

1593
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:10,560
to be a photo op at the lake in the
background. Uh he came in and did that

1594
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:14,480
again was willing to do it. Came two
days later. Uh I don't know what that

1595
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:20,000
estimate would be. I don't think it's
going to be more than 400 bucks.

1596
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:25,119
Um those things needed to be done. Uh
the community foundation uh the lady was

1597
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:29,440
here
Wednesday, Monday.

1598
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:34,159
This thing needs to get done and there's
one Ross Common Township is still

1599
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:39,320
screwing around with theirs too. Last
but not least, uh another grant from

1600
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:46,480
Michigan State
Clean Lakes Clean Water Demonstrations.

1601
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:50,800
We did one already at Samoset. There's a
new sign at Samoset with a brush hanging

1602
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:59,520
there and some tools.
Uh it will be at uh on 9526

1603
02:09:54,800 --> 02:10:03,840
Saturday 11:00 Phoenix at 12:15.
That will be put on by Laura Piaowski,

1604
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:09,440
one of the parks and recck members and
her son. Uh we're doing them on the

1605
02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:15,760
weekend because we get photos with
people. That's what the grantees want to

1606
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:21,920
see. That keeps the money flowing.
I do not have any other announcements. I

1607
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:23,599
don't know if any of you gentlemen do.
I'd

1608
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:28,000
» like to announce that I just stand up
because my back hurts from time to time.

1609
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:32,719
So, don't be alarmed.
>> Yeah, every now and then you have to

1610
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:38,320
remind everybody when I Okay, that
brings us to public comment.

1611
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:44,560
So, we have a lot of people here. We're
certainly going to try and do the five

1612
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:47,599
minutes. Um, you know,
>> I guess if you get up first, you're

1613
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:51,280
first, right?
>> Well, I assumed you wanted me moved into

1614
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:57,199
this position. Thank you, Supervisor,
and members of the board. I'm going to

1615
02:10:53,119 --> 02:11:02,880
address two issues with one one problem
that you may have, and that has to do

1616
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:05,119
with Hula. Uh, unfortunately or
fortunately, uh,

1617
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:07,040
» Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

1618
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:11,040
» Some of these people don't know who you
are.

1619
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:16,480
» Yeah. I'm Tim Poxton, 11995 Military
Road, Ross Common, Michigan. And again,

1620
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:20,880
thank you uh to the board. Uh
fortunately, the last unfortunately the

1621
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:23,920
last meeting I attended with the ULA, I
heard some things that really disturbed

1622
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:28,000
me. I think I wasn't the only one that
was disturbed by some of the things that

1623
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:32,480
we heard. Number one, they don't believe
they report to you at all. They believe

1624
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:36,400
they're independent. I believe that
>> who are we talking about?

1625
02:11:33,679 --> 02:11:39,760
» Huga board. Higgins Lake Utility. Okay.
Hugans Lake Utility Authority. I think

1626
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:41,040
you got an email from me as a matter of
fact.

1627
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:46,560
» Yes, I did.
>> And I believe that they do report to you

1628
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:50,400
any board that's appointed by a a
township, city or anything else. And I

1629
02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:54,239
worked in city government for a number
of years and we had boards and those

1630
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:58,960
boards could create problems for us if
we didn't oversee them. Matter of fact,

1631
02:11:56,000 --> 02:12:03,920
they were were lawsuits that uh ended up
at the city's problem. So, I believe

1632
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:08,400
Lion Township and Beaver Creek have
elected officials have to oversee it and

1633
02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:15,599
that they have to provide you with
reports. I saw none no reports tonight

1634
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:20,719
on the table or given uh orally.
Um they believe they're an independent

1635
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:25,360
uh practically
uh able to do anything they want to was

1636
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:29,679
my impression. I could be wrong about
that. Second issue I have with the hula

1637
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:37,079
board is that they are going to violate
state law Michigan uh MCL Michigan

1638
02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:37,079
compile law 141.121

1639
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:47,840
by spreading quarterly fees on the other
users of the system when a uh part of

1640
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:52,320
that system is one of the users or all a
number of users don't pay their

1641
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:57,040
quarterly fee. I believe that's a
violation of state law. They cannot

1642
02:12:54,239 --> 02:13:04,079
spread any of that out. They have to uh
uh absorb those losses until the money

1643
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:11,920
is collected through either um attached
to to the tax assessment which all house

1644
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:16,320
buildings over there have a U tax number
and or the sale of that particular

1645
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:20,079
property uh
>> and [snorts] then the new user or the

1646
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:25,440
old user whatever they agree to will pay
back those fees. They should not fall in

1647
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:29,679
any form one penny on any other owner.
And I'm willing to answer any questions

1648
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:33,119
if supervisor would allow that. If you
have any questions.

1649
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:36,159
» Uh questions. Well, other than if you
send me details, this has gone to our

1650
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:39,920
attorney.
>> Yeah.

1651
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:45,199
» If you send me details, I do know we
talked about uh some of this before. We

1652
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:50,480
are supposed to be getting reports from
the two Lion Township representatives,

1653
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:56,320
but we just now installed two new
people. Um, I don't know that I've ever

1654
02:13:53,520 --> 02:14:00,960
asked them if they're supposed to come,
but I will. Again, I I'm not asking you

1655
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:03,760
that they come. I'm asking you that they
provide a report to this elected body.

1656
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:07,360
Okay?
>> And uh, also, I should have mentioned

1657
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:12,480
it. I had it in my notes. I didn't
mention it. There may also be an issue

1658
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:19,199
of the Michigan Constitution violation
of the Headley amendment by hiding taxes

1659
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:22,719
in a uh collected fee. Uh that one I'm
not as certain on because I couldn't get

1660
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:25,440
all the research I needed for all that
one. But thank you, Super.

1661
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:29,440
» If you put it in an email, I can
>> I think I think I did send you the email

1662
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:34,159
with all with those two complaints in
it, didn't I?

1663
02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:38,000
» If you did, it got buried in whatever
happened in the last week and a half.

1664
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:42,480
» Yeah. And you got it about a week ago, I
believe.

1665
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:46,000
» Let me look. And if I didn't, I'll uh
let me see if I can find it.

1666
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:49,679
» Okay. Thank you, supervisor and board,
for your time.

1667
02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:53,840
» Well, thank you for your comments.
Okay. Let's start on this side. If

1668
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:59,119
somebody Well, let's just see. Has
anybody got something they want to say?

1669
02:14:55,840 --> 02:15:03,679
And I'm sorry. You sat down and your
head was lower.

1670
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:07,199
This gentleman is here and I should have
got to you a long time ago.

1671
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:11,599
» Oh, that's okay.
>> Well, it's not okay. You were behind. I

1672
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:14,639
didn't see you.
>> So, again, what what is your purpose in

1673
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:18,079
being here? Because
>> Yeah. So, my name is Mo. I'm from a

1674
02:15:16,159 --> 02:15:22,639
small business administration. Uh,
thanks so much for the opportunity. The

1675
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:27,119
president and the governor declared uh
the Roscomment to be a disaster area

1676
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:32,400
because of the storm that happened back
in April the 10th through the 21st.

1677
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:36,159
» The ice storm.
>> Yeah, the rainstorm. Yeah.

1678
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:38,719
» Well, there was a ice storm and then the
flooding.

1679
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:40,800
» Yeah. So, this is specifically for the
flooding.

1680
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:45,440
» Oh, for the flooding.
>> Flooding. Yeah. April the 10th through

1681
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:51,599
the 21st.
>> Okay. Because I And what Mr. Trump did.

1682
02:15:49,599 --> 02:15:56,400
Roscom County is not in there for the
flooding.

1683
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:59,599
» Uh, yes, it's actually in there. Roscom,
>> you had you had any conversations with

1684
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:01,760
Vanessa Barner about any of that?
>> Yes.

1685
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:05,760
» Yeah, we've been talking to I actually
emailed you and the clerk I think uh two

1686
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:09,520
weeks ago was at your
>> Keep going because that was

1687
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:12,480
conversations with her. I didn't think
we were in on the FEMA money for the

1688
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:17,360
flooding.
>> Yeah, actually that's one of the reason

1689
02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:23,679
I'm here. Actually, FEMA and SBA will be
in Hton Lake, Michigan, uh at St. John's

1690
02:16:20,639 --> 02:16:28,960
Lutheran Church this coming weekend, uh
Thursday through Monday.

1691
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:31,960
Uh let me just check the hours real
quick.

1692
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:41,599
I believe it's from uh 8:00 until 6:00
p.m. So, if you guys know anyone that

1693
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:45,760
been affected by the storm, um they can
go to the disaster recovery center. I

1694
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:51,040
also have a number of brochures here
that I can share with you and with the

1695
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:54,880
town. So, any businesses, nonprofits,
homeowners who got affected by the

1696
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:58,719
storm, they can apply for that resource
>> that including municipalities.

1697
02:16:57,200 --> 02:17:02,160
» Correct. Yes.
>> Wow. This is completely contrary to what

1698
02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:06,000
was told before.
>> Yeah, I think the one that you're

1699
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:11,599
talking about is is the ice storm. I I
don't think that got approved.

1700
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:14,479
» Well, we we just submitted $14,000 worth
of bills on the ice storm to the state

1701
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:18,080
of Michigan.
>> Okay.

1702
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:22,800
» But the FEMA the money that FEMA that
President Trump had cut loose,

1703
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:30,319
it didn't say Roscom County on the
thing. And I asked Vanessa why that was.

1704
02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:34,240
So, I'm not here because of FEMA. That
could be maybe I can talk to Vanessa as

1705
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:38,800
well to explain that further, but I'm
representing SBA. Just kind of an FYI.

1706
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:42,000
» Okay. All right. Yeah, if you got
something, I'm looking at it.

1707
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:47,559
» Yeah.
>> But yeah, that's the reason I'm here.

1708
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:47,559
And if you have any question [laughter]

1709
02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:52,160
I saw you again, I probably would have
did something.

1710
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:58,719
» Thank you so much.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you, sir.

1711
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:58,719
» You're a patient man.

1712
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:04,200
a few.

1713
02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:11,040
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. But I'm not uh you know he's Go

1714
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:12,800
ahead. Go ahead. If he wants to answer,
he certainly can.

1715
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:16,399
» What's his name again?
>> I believe there's a couple who will

1716
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:20,319
print them up.
>> There may be a couple people who have a

1717
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:24,719
question. If you'd like to entertain
answering one now,

1718
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:29,200
» I don't think he's here yet.
If you want to entertain answering a

1719
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:34,399
couple questions,
>> go ahead and sit down.

1720
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:38,960
» Specifically, if somebody has
flooded basement or we had a bunch of

1721
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:44,960
problems up on the north side where the
road got washed out, they would show up

1722
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:49,599
down at St. John. Is that right? And
they could fill out. And do you have any

1723
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:55,840
idea how much in funds are available for
Rock County? Uh there's any specific

1724
02:18:53,359 --> 02:18:55,840
price

1725
02:18:56,880 --> 02:19:00,120
I'll definitely

1726
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:10,639
» Okay. And as far as I mean what kind
they have to prove cost they come in do

1727
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:17,519
they have to have insurance claims or do
they insurance just fail you know

1728
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:22,319
probably have clean up cost
walls whatever

1729
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:28,679
everything really. Uh so if you have
insurance you can't get

1730
02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:28,679
so it has to be uninsured

1731
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:40,960
and so all that will be discussed at St.
John, they will give they will give

1732
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:44,751
people help here how to figure that out.
Is that correct?

1733
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:47,760
And is there a time on this?
[clears throat]

1734
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:52,600
So
that so 31st August 31st

1735
02:19:57,040 --> 02:20:03,000
August 31st of 2026.
>> Okay.

1736
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:08,520
» Great. So we just show up

1737
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:20,200
» similar to these meetings
>> time limit. I mean time update.

1738
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:20,200
» Uh yes open.

1739
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:32,880
» Okay. So if you can leave me something
uh we can get it up on Facebook for the

1740
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:38,160
township.
>> Okay. I'll uh

1741
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:43,600
» and we can make copies for it, man.
>> Well, if Yeah. I don't know. I have to

1742
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:47,800
get a hold of Vanessa and figure out
where the disconnect was there.

1743
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:58,399
» Yeah. [snorts] Um Yeah, because we were
trying to figure out how Ross Common

1744
02:20:54,880 --> 02:21:03,840
County didn't get included in that.
But All right. Well, I appreciate that.

1745
02:21:00,399 --> 02:21:08,680
Thank you very much, sir.
Sorry about you having to wait that

1746
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:08,680
long.

1747
02:21:11,212 --> 02:21:13,231
[laughter]

1748
02:21:13,359 --> 02:21:19,040
» It's like our attorney says, I'm not
surprised at anything that happens in

1749
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:23,840
Lion Township.
Uh, anybody else got a com or a comment,

1750
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:27,200
something they want to say before we go
ahead, sir.

1751
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:31,680
» Oh, this is round two for you.
>> Well, that was a question earlier.

1752
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:37,359
» Oh, okay. or it was a comment, but um
Jim McCarthy 245 Sam

1753
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:42,640
um I already thanked you guys, so I was
going to start out with that. Um

1754
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:45,680
I thought I had a lot to say, but really
there's not a lot to say because I'm not

1755
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:51,200
here to change anybody's opinion. I
don't I don't think I can. Um I'm really

1756
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:55,840
going to just try to appeal to what I
hope is a universal sense of of wrong

1757
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:59,920
and right. Um, and even to trustee
Demer's point of of how the law is

1758
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:04,399
interpreted in court, that's we'll try
to even simpl it down. I mean, like,

1759
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:08,399
let's just say, for example, I'm speedy.
If I'm 1 mile an hour, I'm about 30

1760
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:14,160
miles an hour. Breaking the law, I'm
wrong. We can all argue it what the

1761
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:19,439
reason was or whatever. The enforcement,
that's really discretionary, right?

1762
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:25,040
We've all been given that break maybe or
I did meet somebody earlier this week

1763
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:30,240
who has never been pulled over. But uh
um yeah, exactly right. Um but you know

1764
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:34,479
5 miles an hour over the speed limit on
the interstate is looked at differently

1765
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:39,600
enforcement wise than say 5 miles an
hour over the speed limit in a school

1766
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:45,359
zone.
I think what I'm going to ask of the

1767
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:53,439
board really is just to take a look at
our ordinance, ordinance 62 closely.

1768
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:58,399
I'm obviously laser focused on on Bismar
and I would ask that we look at the

1769
02:22:55,600 --> 02:23:05,080
procedures from start to finish to
include the permitting procedure to see

1770
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:05,080
if things were done properly.

1771
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:14,000
accepting
minor discretions [snorts]

1772
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:20,880
to the gentleman's point earlier about
his granddaughter sunbathing

1773
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:26,080
be outstanding if we could just say yeah
just like the 5 miles and over on on the

1774
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:32,080
interstate
but when somebody goes 30 miles an hour

1775
02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:36,319
through this through the school zone
and does something destroys something

1776
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:44,280
hits a kid or something like that and I
guarantee you Everybody's going to start

1777
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:44,280
looking at every mile an hour over that.

1778
02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:51,200
I don't care what side of the argument
you're on. I think we can all agree that

1779
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:57,840
what happened on Bismar or at Bismar's
dock on the 2nd of July [snorts]

1780
02:23:55,120 --> 02:24:02,080
was a tragedy, an egregious violation of
many things.

1781
02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:08,319
I don't think we want to see that happen
again. I do appreciate Bruce doing the

1782
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:12,399
investigating he has.
I know that like a long time ago I was

1783
02:24:10,399 --> 02:24:17,439
told if you have a hard time figuring
out between wrong and right,

1784
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:21,080
usually the right thing to do is the
harder thing to do.

1785
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:31,359
Sometimes enforcing those ordinances,
abiding by law

1786
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:34,880
is the hard thing to do. Usually it is.
It's a lot easier just to go speeding

1787
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:38,840
down the road knowing that you're
probably not going to get pulled over.

1788
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:52,880
About 5 years ago now, we purchased our
retirement home right here, 245 Samo.

1789
02:24:49,359 --> 02:24:57,280
The 33 years prior to that, I spent all
over the world

1790
02:24:54,800 --> 02:25:01,680
defending what I hope or doing, fighting
the good fight, I think, and defending

1791
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:05,359
our way of life. I don't say that to be
pretentious or to ask for special

1792
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:10,000
treatment or anything like that. I say
it to let you know that during that

1793
02:25:07,439 --> 02:25:13,760
time, I was able to come back to this
home state of Michigan [snorts] and

1794
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:19,040
actually look down at Higgins Lake from
above and see that yes, that is the most

1795
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:23,444
beautiful lake in this state. And my
god, that's a paradise down there, isn't

1796
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:23,444
it? [snorts]

1797
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:31,720
What I've seen in the four years, four
summers that we've been here

1798
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:38,880
is that it [snorts] wasn't that paradise
of thought. At best, it's it's a Dr.

1799
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:43,359
Seuss book of nichees putting stars on
their bellies and taking them off and

1800
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:47,120
getting confused on who's who.
At worst, it's the West Bank. But

1801
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:52,160
generationally, we don't even know why
we hate each other. We just know that

1802
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:56,000
the ones before us did.
I'm gonna ask that you guys take a

1803
02:25:53,760 --> 02:26:00,160
little close look at what happened on
Bismar

1804
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:03,439
and instead of waiting for one more
incident,

1805
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:07,760
I'm gonna ask you to take a vote just
like the ordinance says you can at any

1806
02:26:04,880 --> 02:26:12,000
time on revoking the permit.
And then because

1807
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:16,720
the sad irony of this whole thing is
that we actually we I'm talking about me

1808
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:20,319
and my wife
were advocates for the public and for

1809
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:24,800
the public access there. The first thing
we started doing, we showed up as we we

1810
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:28,080
saw that public access and the erosion
and the damage that's going on and the

1811
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:31,680
cobblestones that were dangerous for
anybody to walk down. My wife started

1812
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:35,120
writing letters. She started out with
the HLPOA because we didn't know who

1813
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:39,600
else and their riparian committee. She
tried with the road commission. this

1814
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:44,960
year, even prior to the structure being
built that's there,

1815
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:49,040
she contacted all the way up the state
legislatores, even the attorney general,

1816
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:53,840
and then she started getting calls from
the road commission, like we're going to

1817
02:26:51,439 --> 02:26:58,319
do something.
I went out there and tried to help the

1818
02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:02,880
young man that was working on the stairs
that Samuel said. I'm the one that said,

1819
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:07,760
"You might want to put a railing there
to try to get this thing into code. you

1820
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:13,120
might want to get a permit
so that people can safely go down here.

1821
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:17,200
So, I'm [clears throat] going to ask for
that, a vote on it, the replication of

1822
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:24,720
its permit,
and then I urge the board to work with

1823
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:30,160
Eagle, the county, the road commission,
and come up with a solution to repair

1824
02:27:27,359 --> 02:27:33,840
that shoreline.
Give it a couple of years, whatever the

1825
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:37,920
profession, the people know, okay, I'm
done. But the people know or the

1826
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:43,359
professionals say we might need it might
be three years, I don't know. Restore

1827
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:48,560
that shoreline, put in a stair access
that [snorts] is safe and will not

1828
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:53,280
create all that erosion. Fix it. Thank
you for your time.

1829
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:57,040
» Thank you for your comments, sir.
Anybody else got something they want to

1830
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:00,600
say tonight?
Come on up, Phil.

1831
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:18,399
Uh, Phil Robinson. I'm a resident uh on
West Higgins Lake Drive. Um, not very

1832
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:23,840
far from Samoset.
I created a handout that I put at the

1833
02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:28,479
table and passed some around today. Um,
I spent a little bit of time recently

1834
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:33,280
trying to understand what's going on
down there because having walked down

1835
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:37,280
there many, many times, I've seen
changes take place and it's been hard to

1836
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:42,880
get straight information as to what
rights people have and what people are

1837
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:47,359
not allowed to do because that basically
everything on the side of the road on

1838
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:51,840
Samet that's toward the lake is part of
a county easement.

1839
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:58,319
And that easement uh uh comes with
certain um public rights. It also comes

1840
02:28:55,280 --> 02:29:01,920
with certain obligations. It's been a
little bit confiscated because uh

1841
02:29:00,319 --> 02:29:08,399
there's been some judgments made in
lawsuits in the past years that have

1842
02:29:04,880 --> 02:29:13,520
created certain specific stipulations.
Um, I've gotten the impression in recent

1843
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:17,439
years that some of the um, alterations
that have taken place on the easement

1844
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:22,000
across from the private properties
seemed at least in some part designed to

1845
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:25,200
create the impression that that easement
is actually part of their property even

1846
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:31,040
though there's a road between them and
the lake. And we've seen this recently,

1847
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:35,520
especially when many signs are popping
up um saying private property, no

1848
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:38,640
trespassing,
people are doing all kinds of

1849
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:42,880
improvements,
and it's hard to get information about

1850
02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:47,680
what's really going on. So, I decided to
talk to a couple people and then I spoke

1851
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:53,200
with staff at the road commission uh
this week and including the the road

1852
02:29:50,960 --> 02:30:00,160
commission manager trying to get an
understanding of what they plan to do

1853
02:29:56,240 --> 02:30:05,200
and what obligations uh they have to
make sure that the public have access to

1854
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:09,359
this. If you look through the document,
um, I characterized the discussions that

1855
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:13,680
I had with them and some of them were
surprising because not because they're

1856
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:18,560
unreasonable, but because I didn't
understand how that thing operated. And

1857
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:22,880
as it turns out, that whole belt along
there between the lake and the road,

1858
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:29,200
with the exception of the road ends,
which have their own special rules, um,

1859
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:34,960
those um, areas are actually public
access areas. And even the improvements

1860
02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:39,760
that are put there by permit are allowed
to be used by the public. So if you got

1861
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:43,920
there and you you build a sidewalk and
you build a patio and you make a really

1862
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:48,800
beautiful place right there, that
doesn't mean that now you own that

1863
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:53,200
property. In fact, the public is allowed
to utilize any of those things that are

1864
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:59,760
put in place. And that was made very
clear to me by um um Roger Saxton, who's

1865
02:30:56,720 --> 02:31:04,000
the manager. Uh, I understand after
speaking with the road commission that

1866
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:09,840
they're upping their game a little bit
in terms of how to manage those access

1867
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:15,120
conflicts on that thing on that piece of
property and hopefully they'll do a

1868
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:21,280
better job. Uh, the day after I spoke I
spoke with them yesterday actually and

1869
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:27,359
today I went down Samet and lo and
behold a lot of those private no

1870
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:32,319
trespassing signs are gone.
And uh but there's still others that

1871
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:36,240
remain and there's other other artifacts
that or private property that were

1872
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:39,840
stashed on that piece of property that
have been relocated. Either that or

1873
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:44,880
somebody left for the weekend or left
for the week. So I think you're going to

1874
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:49,920
see some changes down there because the
public has a a right to actually picnic

1875
02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:55,280
on that property. They have a right to
park on that property. And I'm just

1876
02:31:52,399 --> 02:32:00,240
repeating to me repeating what I've been
told by people who I'm trusting would

1877
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:05,359
know and would probably wouldn't stick
their neck out to say that if they

1878
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:09,439
didn't have good reason to do so. So if
people have any questions about who has

1879
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:14,640
a right to do what there, I wouldn't
hesitate to take those issues directly

1880
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:19,359
to the road commission and talk to
people like the manager and they can

1881
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:23,840
explain to you uh in the context of
other lawsuits that have been involved

1882
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:28,720
with property conflicts there and also
their knowledge about what the general

1883
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:33,439
policies are about the county's
managerial role in easement properties.

1884
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:37,040
you can come away with a lot better
idea.

1885
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:42,000
Many of the things that have been put in
there like these sidewalks and stonework

1886
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:46,960
and whatnot, even gardens and plantings,
um I'm not saying specifically which

1887
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:51,200
ones, but you know, there've been uh
most of them I think have been given

1888
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:55,600
permits.
Uh but there are some that are not

1889
02:32:53,359 --> 02:32:59,120
permitted and uh apparently they're in
the process of doing a little bit of

1890
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:03,840
cleanup. And it's like a lot of
administrative things. Sometimes time

1891
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:09,520
goes by and we lose track of, you know,
what the regulations are and there's a

1892
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:12,880
lazy fair compliance uh program that
lets things kind of drift off in a

1893
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:16,640
different direction. Quite frankly, just
walking down there today in the absence

1894
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:22,640
of those signs and some of that junk on
those properties made it a much more

1895
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:26,479
pleasant walk. Uh rather than uh little
and there's still some little tiny

1896
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:31,920
fences even at the water's edge to
discourage the public from from um

1897
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:34,800
entering that property with the
impression that that's actually

1898
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,720
connected to a property across the
street and they have no right to be

1899
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:40,960
there.
>> All right, go ahead. Wrap it up if you

1900
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:45,760
can. Well, I I'll wrap it up like that
because uh I think most of everything

1901
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:50,080
else that I learned is in that document
that I passed around. It's a three-page

1902
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:54,640
document and uh I hope you'll read it
and if you have questions uh before we

1903
02:33:52,720 --> 02:34:00,240
get, you know, down the road and
graduate into conflicts on that property

1904
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:04,160
uh access for the public, maybe we can
avoid that by educating the public and

1905
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:08,640
the public can help educate itself about
what their rights are as property owners

1906
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:13,280
and what the public's rights are as
well. So, it's it's changing. The the

1907
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:16,960
acknowledgement of those changes are
probably going to become more apparent

1908
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:20,200
as time goes by here. All right. Thank
you, sir.

1909
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:27,319
Okay. Any other public comments from the
crowd this evening?

1910
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:49,200
It's getting late. Trying to make it
short and sweet. My name is Susan

1911
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:55,040
Lindamoon. I'm at 145 Samoset.
Um, when I when Mr. Robinson came in

1912
02:34:52,160 --> 02:35:01,920
today, he handed me this uh brochure
pamphlet or whatever his opinions were.

1913
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:07,920
He made a phone call and someone told
him maybe this or maybe that and he

1914
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:12,000
wrote it down on this paper and he
handed it out

1915
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:16,319
and that's wrong.
>> Okay. Don't get so When it gets loud, it

1916
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:20,000
ends up on the recording.
>> I might get louder.

1917
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:23,359
» Well, as I as long as you stay this far
away, it on the recording, it ends up

1918
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:27,200
screaming.
>> When he sits up here and he says the

1919
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:32,080
Samoset
people don't own the property on the

1920
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:39,280
other side of the road, I believe he's
wrong. When I bought when we bought our

1921
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:45,760
property on Samosant, Remax assured me
with paperwork and the legal lawsuits

1922
02:35:42,479 --> 02:35:50,720
that were filed and won, all Samoscent
owners own the property on the other

1923
02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:59,200
side of the road. And in fact, on our
deeds, it says that we gave the township

1924
02:35:56,720 --> 02:36:03,600
the right away to put a road through our
property. And why did they do that?

1925
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:08,479
because
emergency vehicles need to get through

1926
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:15,680
there. It's my understanding.
Years ago, it used to be a twotrack. Now

1927
02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:22,960
it's become a racetrack. Samuel said
it's unreal. How do you even walk down

1928
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:26,960
there beyond me? Let alone the kids
driving golf carts. I got see

1929
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:33,520
three-year-olds sitting in the driver's
seat. Come on. I mean, somebody needs to

1930
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:37,040
start policing. Samo said it's out of
control.

1931
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:44,560
It's got to stop before someone gets
hurt. I got 10-year-old kids doing

1932
02:36:42,160 --> 02:36:48,000
uh circle eights in my driveway. They're
going to flip. They're going to get

1933
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:53,600
hurt.
It's almost ridiculous what we see on

1934
02:36:50,240 --> 02:37:00,319
Samo's set. And as far as Mr. Robinson
goes to the best of his understanding

1935
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:03,760
the comments the following comments he
put on here the best of his

1936
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:10,240
understanding
they're accurately portrayed in what he

1937
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:14,479
wrote this this is just someone's
opinion he needs to see the legal

1938
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:19,359
documents
that go to the property owners on

1939
02:37:17,439 --> 02:37:28,319
Samoset
before he is allowed to pass out at a

1940
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:32,399
public meeting of this paperwork.
That's all I have to say. I I don't know

1941
02:37:30,479 --> 02:37:37,359
why he doesn't like the people on
Samoset. We're really nice people. If

1942
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:41,840
you want to sit on my swing, sir, you're
more than welcome. I never kick anybody

1943
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:46,000
off. You want to go use my dock and get
in the water? You're more than welcome.

1944
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:48,319
Just ask me.
>> That's all.

1945
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:55,920
» All right. Thank you. Let's not go
there. Thank you for your comment.

1946
02:37:51,200 --> 02:38:00,560
Appreciate it. Uh, anybody else? Okay.
>> Hi, my name is Jaclyn Valente. Am I

1947
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:02,479
close enough or am I going to be booming
out of there?

1948
02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:07,840
» You should be good. It's just on the
tape it ends up banging it too hard.

1949
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:13,520
» Okay. My address is 5604 West Higgins
Lake Drive. My parents is 5598 West

1950
02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:18,479
Higgins Lake Drive on Samoset. They have
a West Higgins Lake Drive, but they are

1951
02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:24,240
on Samoset. And same with myself.
I've been coming up here

1952
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:32,000
since I was 5 years old on Samoset for
55 years. Okay.

1953
02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:37,920
The way this street is not monitored in
any way, shape, or form anymore, it is

1954
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:43,280
out of control. And I know we're all
waiting for something tragic to happen.

1955
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:51,439
Almost what happened on business,
it was very violent. A lot of kids

1956
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:56,479
watching. Okay. It wasn't for
young people to just to have to watch us

1957
02:38:53,680 --> 02:39:02,640
and witness this. Okay.
We need something in control. If it's

1958
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:08,080
this board, if it's somebody to start
monitoring what is happening on Samson,

1959
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:14,399
you've got literally 8-year-olds, 10
year olds driving these side by sides,

1960
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:18,640
golf carts, whatever it is, minibikes,
motorcycles,

1961
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:25,040
everything. Okay? Are you just waiting
for my grandchild to get run over? Is

1962
02:39:22,319 --> 02:39:31,200
that what it's going to take? A tragic
situation, somebody getting possibly

1963
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:37,359
injured or or killed?
We are asking for this board's support

1964
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:43,200
and having this street
monitored

1965
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:49,359
this for 55 years. This is
is out of control. Out of control.

1966
02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:54,319
I appreciate your comment. I would
reiterate again that anytime you feel

1967
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:58,479
danger or threatened, call the police.
>> We have

1968
02:39:55,120 --> 02:40:02,720
» Okay. I believe that what Bruce was
saying and the fact they're probably

1969
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:07,680
going to increase their presence.
>> We are never going to be 24/7 as a

1970
02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:12,720
board. So, at least in the safety issue
aspect of this, call the police,

1971
02:40:09,840 --> 02:40:18,560
» the support and what we're asking.
I no I I get your comment but if it's

1972
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:23,200
any like if you think there's a serious
threat or trespassing

1973
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:24,960
don't even a year ago people used to
call here

1974
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:28,160
» no
>> we can't do anything you got to call the

1975
02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:32,560
police
>> all right I appreciate

1976
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:38,640
» I mean we write the state we write the
federal whatever we'll we'll do whatever

1977
02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:43,600
we can to help this street
>> yeah safety I mean

1978
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:50,880
Okay. Well, I sus I suspect we will be
having meetings and more comments can

1979
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:54,000
come up.
>> I appreciate your comments.

1980
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:58,160
» I think maybe we should invite the road
uh representative of the road commission

1981
02:40:55,600 --> 02:41:02,000
to one of our meetings.
>> Let them sit here and explain

1982
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:05,600
» everybody
>> and they'll bring their attorney and we

1983
02:41:03,600 --> 02:41:08,160
need to invite ours and it'll be a party
that I don't know if it need that. I

1984
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:12,080
mean,
>> well, yeah. I don't I'm not doing

1985
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:14,880
anything unless our attorney says we
could do it.

1986
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:18,319
» Well, you can invite him here to speak.
>> Yeah, that's what that's what I mean.

1987
02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:22,960
This is heading towards,
>> you know, he came here once to talk

1988
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:28,479
about short-term rental.
>> Um, yeah, we're I certainly think we

1989
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:32,960
need to try and do something. I have no
idea what that thing is yet and it has

1990
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:35,280
to be legal.
>> I agree.

1991
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:38,680
» Thank you.
>> Appreciate it.

1992
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:51,280
John Bart of Lion Township. Um, you
know, I I really was not going to say

1993
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:56,560
much, but after hearing the stuff about
Samuel said, um, I've heard, you know,

1994
02:41:54,800 --> 02:42:01,680
um, Trusty Demer say, you know, we
really we don't need a police source

1995
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:08,319
here. But I think maybe what you guys
might be missing the point is that you

1996
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:14,880
know we that we feel that you need to be
proactive that you we we don't want to

1997
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:19,280
wait until somebody makes a complaint or
has or feels threatened as you said Paul

1998
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:23,200
I think what we're saying is that we
need somebody monitoring that. We need

1999
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:28,560
somebody there to to sort of nip it in
the bud to say look we've got a presence

2000
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:32,479
there so nobody ever feels threatened.
So you don't wait until you're

2001
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:38,720
threatened. We need to have somebody
monitoring that somehow. So, and I know

2002
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:44,319
it's a difficult issu situation, but I I
just want to emphasize the point that,

2003
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:48,160
you know, to sit there and say wait for
wait for a complaint. That's not what

2004
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:53,280
we're saying. The point is we want
somebody there to monitor it probably

2005
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:58,160
would not have happened to Tim. Whatever
happened, I don't know. But that was

2006
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:01,200
awful. and and you know if there are
people doing things there that they

2007
02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:06,240
shouldn't do there's nobody there
monitoring it. So please don't wait for

2008
02:43:03,359 --> 02:43:12,240
a complaint. Please be proactive about
whatever your plan is.

2009
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:17,657
» Thank you sir.
Okay we are down to Sam Bedian Jr.

2010
02:43:15,638 --> 02:43:17,657
[clears throat]

2011
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:23,359
Thank you all for your patience. I said
this at one of the concerts too. You get

2012
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:26,800
a bunch of people together with
different opinions. [clears throat]

2013
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:29,600
Higgins like people get they know how to
get along with each other, you know, in

2014
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:33,280
general.
>> You're not hearing what they're saying.

2015
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:35,600
» No, I'm hearing what they're say. What
I'm saying is fights aren't breaking

2016
02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:37,280
out.
>> They're not.

2017
02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:40,160
» They are. Yeah.
>> And not I'm talking about right here.

2018
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:45,279
» Oh,
>> when we when we get together to discuss

2019
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:49,520
things, there are many townships, you've
probably seen the videos, where the

2020
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:53,680
meetings just go nuts.
>> We're if if we can work our way through

2021
02:43:51,840 --> 02:43:58,080
this, I think that'll be it. To me, it's
a credit. The people who live around

2022
02:43:55,200 --> 02:44:02,798
here are great people. Anyway, go ahead,
Mr. Bedoleian.

2023
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:04,817
Sam Bedian, Junior, Lion Township.
[clears throat]

2024
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:18,240
I live at 205 Elamar Boulevard, four-way
stop, just past the Silver Dollar Bar.

2025
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:24,319
Ed Nellis was supervisor.
We had issues back in the day.

2026
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:27,920
Ed Ellis and I at the time Fran was
sheriff

2027
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:32,720
went in discussed
asked if the patrol cars that passed

2028
02:44:30,399 --> 02:44:39,040
North State Park
and go to Old 27

2029
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:44,479
and take Old 27 to Holton Lake
could just detour

2030
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:48,720
and take Higgins Lake Boulevard through
Lion Township

2031
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:54,880
and he did that and that's going on
today. I'm leading to a point. So that

2032
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:59,120
was accomplished that you have patrol
from the sheriff of Ross Common County

2033
02:44:56,560 --> 02:45:03,359
in your township without having a police
department that many years ago the

2034
02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:06,000
public wanted you guys to have a police
department. That's a whole different

2035
02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:10,319
ballgame. I I don't want to get into
that right now. But you have coverage

2036
02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:16,319
now here
with the board support. your supervisor

2037
02:45:13,520 --> 02:45:22,080
can sit down with the sheriff and
discuss these matters

2038
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:28,479
and I'll bet you he would have no
problem having his

2039
02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:34,080
patrol car detour and go right down
Samuel set for exposure and take care of

2040
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:37,920
those problems. That's the one one way I
see that you're going to have coverage

2041
02:45:35,439 --> 02:45:42,319
that you folks need because we the
township limited. Obviously, they don't

2042
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:46,240
have a badge. They don't have a gun.
Neither does Bruce. And I'm going to

2043
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:50,000
defend him and every which way and a lot
of things he's trying to do. But that's

2044
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:54,479
my suggestion. Get a hold of the sheriff
and I'll bet you he'll have his patrol

2045
02:45:51,840 --> 02:46:00,160
cars going down that road just like I
saw four-wheelers parked at some Samet

2046
02:45:56,960 --> 02:46:04,160
park and there's no parking signs there.
He can't do nothing. He doesn't have a

2047
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:08,800
badge, but somebody can call the
sheriff's department. Any one of you can

2048
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:12,240
call the sheriff's department on that.
But he can go in there and talk about

2049
02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:18,399
the fact of getting a patrol car down
there. Now, this public notice,

2050
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:23,920
you're going to have to forgive me. That
was in 2005.

2051
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:28,000
I'm not good at math, but that's 21
years ago.

2052
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:32,479
So, we that have been here have seen a
lot. We're we're gonna try and help you

2053
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:36,880
folks because of these situations. It's
a different generation now. Now you're

2054
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:45,040
going to have to re really get support
from the legal end of it. Public Act 56

2055
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:50,720
was created by the legislators in 2012,
which is a law. Now, I I had a kit here

2056
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:55,840
and I'm not going to pass it out. I'll
wait till maybe next month. It's all

2057
02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:59,359
about Public Act 56, which is a law. If
you go on your phone, and I'm I don't

2058
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:04,160
even have a computer, but I went on my
phone and asked for public act 56, state

2059
02:47:02,399 --> 02:47:08,560
of Michigan. It just prints it all out
what it is. And I believe me, you'll get

2060
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:12,880
educated on that. And then you'll get
educated on this, but you'll still need

2061
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:16,960
legal help. I mean, the sheriff's
department or even the state police. You

2062
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:21,040
can call either one of them. They will
come down. You have a complaint, you

2063
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:24,880
call 911, call a complaint. They'll have
they'll send a patrol car. That's their

2064
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:30,479
job. But I'm going to end at that. Thank
you.

2065
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:35,880
» Thank you, Sam. Appreciate it. Anybody
else? Any last last comments?

2066
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:44,399
Okay. I I want to thank you all again.
I'm sorry I didn't state that very well,

2067
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:48,720
John. You're right. There are problems,
but I have faith that the majority of

2068
02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:51,279
people here can work together and figure
things out.

2069
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:56,319
» And you're right. I can get a hold of
the share. I've been sitting on

2070
02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:00,160
probably shouldn't even Well, I'm not
going to say it now.

2071
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:05,200
» There's a reason I'm kind of waiting
before I get a hold of him. Something

2072
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:08,720
needs to be settled on their end first.
Then I'm going to get a hold of them.

2073
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:11,279
» Wonder if they understand it's been
going on long enough. They know what's

2074
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:13,680
going on,
>> right? But there's a there's a

2075
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:17,359
particular
>> get on it before the Labor Day weekend

2076
02:48:15,680 --> 02:48:20,000
so they can start getting patrol to help
these folks.

2077
02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:23,760
» There's a particular thing that they
need to make a decision on. that's

2078
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:28,319
probably going to happen this week. And
at that point, I have

2079
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:32,240
» I'm wondering if we couldn't do
something with either the state police

2080
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:39,040
or the sheriff's department and have
almost like a a substation in the fire

2081
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:43,920
department where they could
have like a little office there, have

2082
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:48,720
the car there. They're close by. We've
got plenty of room in the fire

2083
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:51,680
department to have an office there.
I mean,

2084
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:56,720
» we could buy we could buy an old police
car, give it to Bruce,

2085
02:48:55,120 --> 02:49:03,040
» but that way you've got at least
something someone local. So, if if there

2086
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:08,080
is an issue, they're not coming from
Ross Common or Holton Lake or wherever

2087
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:12,479
they're at. They're they're here.
They're at the fire department. Um, I

2088
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:16,547
don't know. It's just a thought. I think
that a lot of thoughts are going to come

2089
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:20,920
up and
[clears throat]

2090
02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:20,920
and we'll see.

2091
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:29,359
» Okay. Anyway, as far as the meeting
goes, perfect timing. I would entertain

2092
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:33,439
a motion that we adjourn this meeting.
>> I make the motion.

2093
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:37,279
» Okay. Motion by Demmer. Public comment
is closed. So, do we have any do we have

2094
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:41,920
a second? I'll
>> second.

2095
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:46,920
» Okay. Any discussion from the board?
Okay, then the meeting is adjourned at

2096
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:52,600
9:48.
>> Holy crap.

2097
02:49:55,760 --> 02:50:05,000
» Holy crap. Okay, turn your mics off.
>> Hey, turn your mics off. It's all going

2098
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:05,000
on.

2099
02:50:17,359 --> 02:50:25,439
When there's a sheriff there, but they
will follow the kids all the way back to

2100
02:50:22,399 --> 02:50:29,680
their place and then they get a ticket
or whatever.

2101
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:33,000
» And then okay, then you don't see it for
a few hours.

2102
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:47,640
I'm sorry.