[2:46] All right, we'll call meeting to order.
>> 701.
[2:51] » Let us first of all, thanks for all
coming, but let us start with the pledge
[2:55] of allegiance.
[clears throat]
[3:00] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[3:05] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[3:12] justice for all.
[3:23] » So,
first of all, in the back row, can you
[3:28] hear
Okay, as long as nobody else is talking
[3:31] on the side, we should be okay.
Okay, I know you fixed it. I can turn it
[3:38] up, but I prefer that if we all listen,
we're doing well.
[3:42] » Could we have a roll call, please? Clerk
Per,
[3:45] » certainly. [clears throat]
Supervisor Bertrren,
[3:48] » I am present.
>> Treasurer
[3:51] » here.
>> Clerk Per here. Trusty Monet
[3:55] » here.
>> Trusty Demer
[3:57] » here.
All present, sir.
[4:00] » Okay.
We have a uh interview process today for
[4:06] a zoning administrator.
I'd like to make a motion for approval
[4:11] from the board to move right into that
interview right off the bat. Uh so that
[4:16] those people are not sitting through the
whole rest of the meeting.
[4:20] I will make that motion. Do I have a
second?
[4:22] » Second.
>> Okay, we have a second. Any further
[4:25] discussion on that?
[4:30] Hearing none. All those in favor of
proceeding with the interviews for
[4:34] zoning administrator position signify by
saying I.
[4:39] » I.
>> I.
[4:40] » I. Oppose. The same.
>> Nay.
[4:44] » God. I already wrote the five down.
>> Sorry.
[4:47] » Okay. The motion carries at four to one.
Uh, Clerk Per, would you like to take
[4:53] the lead as far as uh getting our first
candidate up here?
[4:57] » Well, sure. Uh, the first one that
applied for the job was Josh Deinsky.
[5:02] So, I'd like to lead off with him and u
um Miss Craves. Uh, if she's still in
[5:10] the audience, I'd like her to be removed
for the time and then we'll remove Josh
[5:15] when we have your interview. Is that all
right with you? Thank you.
[5:23] Okay,
>> Josh, you got the floor.
[5:26] » How you guys doing today? Good evening.
Copy my resume in front of them.
[5:30] » Yes,
>> cuz I have two.
[5:32] » Uh, yes, we received it. The board, I
believe, has all looked it over by now.
[5:38] » I left mine out in the car, which I got
it.
[5:42] » The reason for bringing an extra.
>> Good job. Thank you,
[5:48] » Josh. The process is that we'll give
[clears throat] you a couple minutes if
[5:52] you got anything to say about yourself,
but then each of us may have some quick
[5:56] questions for you.
>> That's absolutely fine. Um,
[5:59] » so you'll have to hit the button on that
mic and if it's greened,
[6:06] okay, that that
>> you doing something?
[6:08] » You're good.
>> Well, your batteries are good if it's
[6:10] looking like that. So, you don't have to
get right on it, but fantastic.
[6:14] » That should work.
>> Um, a little bit about myself. Uh been
[6:18] in the trade since right out of high
school. Um so pretty much on the resume.
[6:23] Started out construction in Gaylord. Um
building a lot in 97 2000. Jumped into
[6:31] journeyman iron worker down in Detroit
for quite a while. Wife drugged me back
[6:35] cuz she liked it up here. Moved back up
here. Got a builder's license. Went into
[6:41] business for myself. Found out that was
kind of a pain in the butt. So went to
[6:45] work for company for a while.
Um but he started failing me. So said
[6:52] figure put my mind to work instead of my
body from there on out.
[6:56] » Uh a lot of experience. Um carried my
builder's license since uh right around
[7:01] 2007.
Got the opportunity to work here as a
[7:04] building inspector, zoning official or
um zoning administrator and uh ordinance
[7:10] officer. Um
moved on for a while. Uh, I'm currently
[7:15] at Frederick Township. Um, I'm on a
Monday through Thursday schedule. Um,
[7:21] I've got Fridays wide open and my
phone's always on.
[7:28] » Okay.
Uh, if we'd like to start on the left
[7:32] there, Mr. Hops, if you got any
questions, let's [clears throat] that
[7:35] way.
>> I just had a couple. You were here.
[7:40] I don't see uh the year you were here.
Years you were here.
[7:44] » Um
uh let's see. Was it recent or?
[7:49] » Yeah, it was 2021. It was right after uh
Dave Doll was starting to retire and he
[7:53] actually passed away as we were
transitioning to me.
[7:56] » Um I had the pleasure of working with
him for a month or two before things got
[8:01] really bad with him. And and um was
there a reason you left or
[8:08] » um and to be perfectly honest um I had
uh a contractual issue I wanted to
[8:16] renegotiate nothing to increase pay but
to change the way it was distributed.
[8:22] » Okay.
>> Um and difference of agreement or
[8:24] difference of opinions at that point and
I just said fine you know what Frederick
[8:28] Township's looking if you guys don't
want here's my res resignation. Um,
[8:33] Frederick was offering pretty good uh
situation, large office, truck, phone.
[8:39] So, [snorts]
[clears throat]
[8:40] made sense.
>> Okay.
[8:43] » I'm listening. I'm with the
>> Do you still have your builder's
[8:45] license?
>> I do.
[8:47] » Oh,
[8:52] those are I I've read through the
resume, so those are the really annoying
[8:56] questions.
>> It's definitely a nice resume. Very nice
[9:00] resume, by the way.
>> Uh Joshua, do do we can we set do you
[9:07] think we can work out something where we
can set a few hours a week and then
[9:12] still have your availability on call to
set an appointment and things like that.
[9:18] That That's what we're hoping for.
>> Quarter mile away.
[9:21] » Oh my gosh. What if you have to walk? I
mean, you might ride the bike.
[9:25] » Okay.
>> That would take some effort, but
[9:28] » Well, this is uh this is a pretty lucky
thing for us that you have experience
[9:34] with the with the township. That's a
good thing. But so we we can set
[9:40] something up by appointment only. We can
have you available by cell phone and we
[9:44] can set a certain number of hours per
week that you'll be available. All
[9:49] right. Thank you.
[9:52] Um,
[9:56] I got a couple questions just in general
there. We got two strong resumes here.
[10:01] I'm interested in some other things. Um,
you did tell us a little bit about
[10:06] yourself. Tell me about your personal
preferences, things that you're into,
[10:10] not into.
>> Um, I'm pretty simple. I like working on
[10:15] stuff. [clears throat and cough] My
hands dirty.
[10:18] I like taking the side by side out if I
get a chance. And I like fishing.
[10:22] » Okay.
>> Simple. Got a family. Keep them separate
[10:26] from uh anything going on in the
township. That's the only thing I
[10:30] [clears throat]
[10:33] » Okay. Uh what do you think your biggest
weakness is?
[10:37] » Um
[10:41] got a big heart. That's probably the
biggest weakness in a lot of areas
[10:44] because I believe people for the best,
you know, I I give them the benefit of
[10:49] the doubt. more often than
>> Okay.
[10:54] Why should we hire you?
>> Um, well, I'm close. I've been here. I
[11:02] know the ordinances and the zoning
pretty well.
[11:07] I know a lot of people in the community.
[11:14] » Okay.
[11:19] And uh it may have covered this already,
maybe not. Why did you leave your last
[11:24] job? So that would be previous to
Frederick
[11:27] » that was here. Um and we did cover that.
That was um I had a contractual I wanted
[11:32] to renegotiate contract and they pretty
much said well it all renews. I said
[11:37] that's not the point. I want to change
the way a was. [clears throat]
[11:43] » They were not didn't How often were you
supposed to reup the contract? Um, it
[11:48] was every three years and I was back for
three years.
[11:50] » And they wouldn't negotiate with you?
>> Uh, the way it sounded? No. And I didn't
[11:54] want to push the issue. And there was an
offer that had a lot of good stuff going
[11:58] on. I mean, like I said, truck, phone,
huge office.
[12:02] » Okay,
that's all I got.
[12:09] That's it
>> for me. All right. Sure.
[12:11] » Good evening. Hey, Josh. Thanks for
coming. Um, I just have um
[12:17] one question. What exactly is the H
Hotton Lake Building Agency? Does that
[12:22] work just like a zoning agency? It What
do you know what that is? And do you
[12:29] have any affiliation whatsoever with
that agency?
[12:32] » I have no affiliation with that agency.
I was actually quite close with previous
[12:35] building inspector because
[clears throat]
[12:37] we bump things off of each other. Come
up to something that's kind of goofy on
[12:40] a job, you send me pictures. what would
you do in this situation? And I'd do the
[12:43] same for him.
>> Yeah.
[12:44] » Um he's retired from that position now.
Homeland building agency covers uh
[12:48] multiple townships.
>> Um okay. I really have no affiliation
[12:52] there at all. Um I mean I think I pulled
a permit there once. So and that was
[12:59] years ago.
>> And do they have any jurisdictional
[13:03] uh authority over our township or is it
just Okay. just it's just a conglomerate
[13:09] of
>> right. I do believe that there was talk
[13:12] when I left um
>> that they were going to try to get um
[13:18] brought in under the lake building
authority but it never came to fruition.
[13:21] » Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.
[13:27] » If somebody filed a complaint, gave you
a written complaint, would you just
[13:31] automatically assume that person was
guilty or would you listen to both sides
[13:34] of the story?
Um, always listen to both sides.
[13:39] » Always.
>> Always.
[13:42] » There's no reason to not. That's the job
is to find out what's going on. And
[13:47] sometimes a written complaint can open
up the complainting to issues also when
[13:52] you go out there to investigate.
[13:56] So, it's it's a tough call.
[14:08] If there's no further questions, if you
got anything else you want to say, then
[14:12] we'll move on.
>> Uh, no, I'm fine. I think we've covered
[14:15] the bases. You know, I'm, like I said,
always have my phone on
[14:20] my side. I've got split line, so I can
give the phone number, my split phone
[14:25] number, the township. No issues.
>> Okay. All right.
[14:29] » All right. Well, we would ask if you
leave
[14:34] Um,
well, it's nice outside.
[14:39] » Somebody will holler at you,
>> right? Um,
[14:42] » I appreciate your time. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Josh.
[14:51] » Clerk Per,
who is next?
[14:54] » We'll call Miss Tineas Craves uh to the
the floor.
[15:03] I don't know if she's
>> Is she here or?
[15:06] » Yeah. Well, she went out while he was uh
parachute.
[15:09] » Oh, okay.
>> Come on in.
[15:12] » Come on in, Tina.
[15:15] » You can sit right up here.
Uh,
[15:20] if you push the button on that
microphone, it should be green. If he
[15:25] happened to turn it off.
>> Uhhuh.
[15:27] » No, should be working.
>> Good.
[15:32] Well, I'm glad to see that you're here.
You put in an application. The board has
[15:36] looked at the applications from both
candidates.
[15:40] Give you a couple minutes. If you want
to say anything about yourself that you
[15:44] believe is uh worth noting, go ahead.
And then we'll have some questions for
[15:49] you after that.
>> Okay. [clears throat] Well, um currently
[15:54] I'm on the board for Denton Township.
um on I was on the board for the zoning
[16:00] and planning and now I'm just on the
appeals. I was also on the board with
[16:06] Bakas Township on the planning and
zoning as well.
[16:11] Um so I've been on that for
approximately
[16:16] at least six or seven years. So, I'm
very familiar with the process and what
[16:21] I need to do before I make a decision on
the with the board and so forth. Prior
[16:28] to that, I've worked at the uh state of
Michigan. I worked with them for over 30
[16:34] years.
and I was in the uh secretary of state
[16:40] section where uh I basically handled
lots of complaints,
[16:46] uh problems with uh
driving records, uh
[16:53] car dealerships, anything under the
secretary of state.
[16:58] I was a senior technician there. Um I
have a extensive legal experience
[17:06] I've also um
I was also a landlord and I managed up
[17:12] to about
I'd say about 10 units
[17:17] at one time and during that time I did
the interviewing for credit check
[17:25] eviction
process my own paperwork in court
[17:31] um and now I'm here I work at the
homeless agencies.
[17:37] I work there part time.
[17:47] » Okay.
Uh if you'd like to start there,
[17:51] Treasurer Hops.
>> Sure. I will say it's pretty impressive
[17:55] to have a
you have a endorsement from Ruth
[18:02] Johnson, Secretary of State.
Very nice.
[18:06] » Thank you. Actually, I have several
letters, but I didn't want to scream all
[18:11] » Yeah. And I know we had we had a we had
talked earlier. Um
[18:18] [clears throat]
I I actually I don't have any questions.
[18:23] We had we had talked earlier, so I'm on
time for questions. [clears throat]
[18:29] Well, again, a very impressive resume
and uh some mighty fancy recommendations
[18:37] from the people that have written and I
know you had more, but we only had so
[18:42] much room. The staples only go this far,
you know.
[18:46] » No. And uh I think I think I uh asked
enough questions from you before and I
[18:52] know one of the main reasons that you
were applying is your hours have been
[18:57] cut at the other place.
>> Yeah, drastically.
[18:59] » Yeah, by by about 20% or something a
little more than that. So
[19:04] » yeah, it's quite severe. Nobody's
building anymore. [clears throat] Not
[19:07] like they used to. The prices of the
supplies and so forth have gone up so
[19:12] much
>> just can't afford it anymore. So,
[19:16] » right.
[19:22] » All right.
>> Okay. Hang on. I just Your batteries are
[19:25] dead, I believe.
>> My battery.
[19:29] » Well, let me fix that.
>> Let me borrow this one.
[19:33] » Yeah.
I'm tired of hearing you anyway.
[19:39] » I wish I'm loud enough without that.
Okay.
[19:43] » Well, you might want to reanswer that
question because they were saying they
[19:48] really couldn't hear you.
>> As far as I think you were talking about
[19:54] your hours being cut.
>> Yes. Yes, the hours are uh cut. It was a
[19:59] part-time job in the beginning. It was
kind of like 32 hours a week and now
[20:04] it's down barely to 20 hours a week.
Barely.
[20:09] So that's changed drastically.
[20:15] » Okay. Do you have any other questions,
Clerk Per?
[20:17] » No, I'm done. I I'll change those where
you at.
[20:20] » Okay.
>> Got some there.
[20:23] » I should.
[20:28] So besides all of what you already said,
tell uh tell us some more about
[20:32] yourself.
Well, um what
[20:36] » I can go back a little bit further about
my experience. Um give
[20:40] » me two more for Kevin.
>> My uh my son was in the military. He's a
[20:47] veteran now. He was uh stationed in
Afghanistan and I was part of the Blue
[20:53] Mothers
uh the Blue Star Mothers. I actually
[20:57] edited their newspaper
for their uh chapter. was chapter 99 and
[21:04] I did that for about a year. Um, and
then I was a chief editor for the
[21:09] newsletter.
Um, I was also a director
[21:15] of uh, White Deer Village condominiums.
That's further down, but that was many,
[21:20] many [clears throat] years ago. So, I
first saw that uh, complex.
[21:26] Um, aside from that, I mean, I don't
know how far back you want me to go.
[21:33] » It's just a matter of what you'd like us
to know. You don't have to dig any
[21:37] farther than you want to.
>> Okay. I've also worked for the sheriff's
[21:41] when I was younger. I I was I was a
dispatcher at Ingam County for the
[21:48] sheriff's. Um, so I, you know, I've been
here and there. Uh, I worked for
[21:54] Michigan Bell and AT&T, the phone
company. And funny thing about that, I
[22:00] probably I was planning on retiring, but
um, back then uh, I was pregnant with my
[22:07] son and they were very, very strict and
I could only have three absences a year.
[22:15] Well, I tried to hide my pregnancy and
that didn't work out. So, [laughter] I
[22:19] got fired.
So I got fired. That was the only place
[22:23] where I was let go.
>> Yeah. Thank you for your honesty.
[22:27] » But now, you know, you you can't do that
now. So, you know, uh I worked in at
[22:33] Morgan Guaranteed Trust Company
processing stock certificates.
[22:38] Um I worked at various insurance
companies, Employers Mutual, USFG.
[22:44] I was a workman's compens workman's
compensation adjuster where I issued out
[22:50] checks for people that were injured.
>> Okay, that's okay. You unless you
[22:55] absolutely want to tell us.
>> No, I don't want to bore you anymore.
[22:58] » Well, it's not boring. I I certainly a
varied background. Uh what do you think
[23:03] your biggest weakness is?
>> My biggest weakness? Um
[23:10] I would probably have to say
persistence. I it's a weakness and a
[23:15] blessing at the same time because
sometimes I
[23:20] you know I I have something that
is just isn't right or you know it can't
[23:25] be fixed and I
try to kill myself trying to fix it or
[23:31] or make it right and I sometimes have a
hard time accepting that you just can't
[23:37] fix everything.
>> Okay. Uh why should we hire you?
[23:42] Well,
[23:47] I have lots of reasons actually. I just
don't know how how to start. First of
[23:51] all, I have the experience I think as
far as zoning
[23:57] and I also have uh a lot of uh legal
experience that I think that would be
[24:04] very helpful to you.
Um I I work um with the building agency
[24:10] so I'm very familiar with the permits
and so forth and you know how to uh
[24:18] get into BSNA which is a program that we
all use as far as the townships. I have
[24:24] excellent references
and
[24:28] to be honest with you I think I'm the
best person.
[24:31] » Okay.
Uh, I don't have any other questions.
[24:35] The other one you already covered, so
with that, I'm good.
[24:42] » Good evening. Thanks for being here. Um,
yeah, you pretty much just answered uh
[24:45] my question. In all fairness, it was
going to be the same question as for Mr.
[24:49] Stinsky. Is that um what exactly to you
is the Hot Lake Building Agency because
[24:53] I did not know how vast it was and what
is your affiliation and job duties
[24:58] basically with them because you do work
for them, but you've kind of already
[25:01] covered that. So you don't have to
expand upon it if you don't want.
[25:05] » Unless you want me to. I can go into
detail.
[25:07] » That's fine. No, I I have it right here
and you pretty much answered it. So,
[25:10] thank you.
[25:14] » I guess you've covered pretty much all
my questions and I'm really impressed
[25:18] with your uh legal experience, your
experience with the permits, your
[25:23] references, and your all the experience
that you have and I look forward to
[25:28] working with you.
>> Thank you so much.
[25:31] I'd be honored.
[25:36] » Okay.
[25:40] Clerk Per, have we had discussions um to
where we're talking about what a pay
[25:47] rate might be here and hours?
>> Starting pay is going to be 8,000.
[25:52] » Okay. I did get an answer from the
attorney that we do not necessarily have
[25:57] to set any hours unless we want to. Mhm.
Um,
[26:03] okay.
>> Well, the same thing I was saying to
[26:07] Josh, uh, I I'd like him to have some
hours that are available here at the
[26:13] township someday per week and and be
available by phone and by appointment
[26:21] anytime. And he agreed to that. I'm sure
Tina will be the same way.
[26:31] Okay. Um,
thanks for coming. Is Josh still
[26:36] outside?
>> He probably is.
[26:41] » Um,
should probably have somebody ask him to
[26:45] come back in. We need to make a
decision.
[27:16] Thank you, Patty.
[27:20] » Okay. Uh, thank uh Josh and Tina. Thank
you both for coming in and interviewing.
[27:26] The board did have a chance to review
your applications and questions,
[27:30] which is uh our due diligence.
It's now uh decision time between two
[27:36] solid candidates. [snorts]
At this point, I'm going to make motions
[27:40] as needed for [snorts] a fail or pass
vote from each board member.
[27:46] First, I'll make a motion that the board
approve hiring Tina as the new zoning
[27:51] administrator for Lion Township
effective 82426
[27:56] or sooner.
Do I have a second?
[28:01] » Second.
>> Okay.
[28:02] » Okay. Is there any further discussion
from the board?
[28:10] Okay. Hearing none on that motion.
Could we have a roll call, please? Clerk
[28:17] P.
>> Sure.
[28:19] » Treasure Hubs,
>> yes. [clears throat]
[28:24] » Trusty Monet,
>> no.
[28:27] » Trusty Dmer,
>> yes.
[28:30] » Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes. [clears throat]
[28:34] » And clerk burn, no.
[28:39] » Okay, then that motion carries at 3 to
two. There's no reason for a further
[28:45] one. So, congratulations.
>> Thank you, sir.
[28:48] » You are now the new zoning administrator
for Lion Township.
[28:52] » Thank you. I'm very honored. Thank you.
>> And any details you can work out with
[28:57] Clerk Burn
>> going forward.
[29:00] » Okay.
>> Appreciate you coming in. Appreciate you
[29:03] both. These are tough decisions, but we
got to make them. That's why we're here.
[29:07] » Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Okay.
[29:10] » Thank you.
[29:14] Okay, that moves us to
>> Thank you, Josh.
[29:19] Thank you.
>> The board reports.
[29:25] » Let me make sure I don't lose track of
where I'm at.
[29:32] moves us to the uh board and department
reports
[29:40] and any questions from the public. Uh
first is supervisor
[29:45] very similar to last month.
[29:51] Uh, my statutory duties
include managing public improvements,
[29:57] overseeing township employees,
acting as a legal agent for the
[30:02] township, and being responsible for
efficient administration.
[30:07] I took an oath to do that and that's I'm
ultimately responsible.
[30:12] It's public job as supervisor. I
recently made motions at board meetings,
[30:16] some more than once, to implement
business practices
[30:20] and support grant applications and
awards usage that I believe are best
[30:24] practices and in the best interest of
the majority of the township residents.
[30:29] On some occasions, there were no board
members willing to second the motions or
[30:33] not all the board members were present,
so no discussion or vote could be
[30:38] recorded for public record. Tonight with
all of us here, I intend to make some of
[30:42] those motions again and clearly state
why I believe they're important. Uh hope
[30:47] that there's a second so we can have
discussion and then get a roll call vote
[30:50] for the record.
Uh and then be done with that.
[30:56] on the majority of the comments. On the
plus side, I've gotten many compliments
[31:01] on parks, grant awards, grant related
presentations, quality of the concerts,
[31:07] Facebook page, fire department
recruiting,
[31:10] housekeeping progress, recycling
availability, cemetery, phone calls
[31:14] being answered, emails being answered,
polite staff, and more.
[31:20] Recently, I've had many discussions
concerning public and private road end
[31:24] issues. Those will continue and I will
update the board as needed.
[31:30] Has anybody got any questions for me?
[31:37] Seeing none or seeing no hands, we will
move on to the treasure.
[31:44] » [clears throat]
>> Um, mine's pretty straightforward. That
[31:48] actually that 750 should be a,000 number
of tax payments so far, which is which
[31:54] is actually pretty good. All of our
millages are up to date being paid. Uh,
[32:00] clerk Pern and I are going to meet with
Huntington Bank September 8th
[32:05] to discuss uh a it's called a seedar's
program to invest
[32:11] some of the township money to get a
better return than just a simple bank
[32:15] rate. So, that would be more to come on
that.
[32:19] And uh this was this was all but clerk
per and I both interviewed these the two
[32:27] um candidates that were here earlier. I
think that both of them were great. And
[32:32] for maintenance uh we actually next the
end of next week we should have our that
[32:37] pot that compost finally completed of
turning the whole entire lot. So that's
[32:44] quite an accomplishment I think. Um, we
finished painting all the playground
[32:48] equipment and pavilions. Every single
one of them are done.
[32:53] Uh, we're still doing inspections once a
week. Um, replacing the material and
[32:59] doing our inspection sheets,
replacing the fall material.
[33:05] Um, [clears throat] and we decided to to
look into the two septic tanks uh at
[33:12] Park 27 and the compost just out of
curiosity. And the last time they were
[33:17] pumped was 2019, so I figured it was
probably due to have them done.
[33:25] Um, and right now we're going to we're
in the process. We're going to start
[33:28] cleaning up the parking lot at Phoenix
Park because I I think that park's been
[33:35] neglected. Um, just my opinion, of
course, but
[33:39] I would like it more where you can see
it from the road. Just clean up that
[33:44] whole parking lot area. So, our guys are
going to be doing that and we should
[33:49] have our compost gate um the all the
electrical done and we should have it
[33:54] installed hopefully by uh the end of
next week for our automatic gate system
[33:59] which probably I don't know if it'll go
in effect this year.
[34:05] I mean, I don't see why not, but I want
to give people at least a couple months
[34:10] notice on the transition on on how it's
going to happen. So, it might happen
[34:16] this year, if not for sure, the first of
uh first of next year when we open back
[34:20] up.
>> Any questions?
[34:24] » I have a question. Are we talking about
open it up so we can see it from uh the
[34:29] road?
>> Yeah, the west thing. So, taking down
[34:32] some trees probably and get rid of some
of the
[34:34] » really just brush. I don't know. Yeah,
trees. Just the overgrown.
[34:38] » Yeah, I see.
>> Weeds and little small little little
[34:43] trees. Yeah, I think it should be opened
up. So,
[34:45] » Mhm.
>> you can see the park from the road.
[34:49] [clears throat]
>> Any questions from the public for
[34:53] Treasurer Hops?
>> Kevin, what was the Has the fee been
[34:58] established for the automatic aid yet?
>> I think we came uh with a onetime $20
[35:06] fee.
>> Okay. Is that a combination or a FOB?
[35:08] » It will be a combination, a fourdigit.
So everybody will get it holds it stores
[35:13] up to 500 uh different codes. So So
what'll happen is you'll come in and
[35:20] fill out an application,
pay your $20 and we need like license
[35:26] plate numbers because
um and it's going to be it's going to be
[35:31] I will say this, it will be very strict.
If anybody's caught giving their theirs
[35:35] out to people who didn't want to pay the
$20,
[35:40] one time, you're out. Um because this
is, you know, I don't I think $20 is
[35:46] reasonable for a onetime fee. And you
can you can come and go Monday through
[35:51] Saturday. It'll be open 8 to 5, I
believe, the hours will be
[35:55] » and close Sunday. But instead of being
Wednesdays and Saturdays, you get you
[36:00] have access, you know, all week long,
six days a week. So
[36:04] » we'll know when they become available.
>> Yeah, I'm going to for sure give at
[36:08] least a couple months notice. You know,
I can't do it overnight.
[36:14] » Thank you.
>> But it's coming.
[36:18] » Yes.
>> Is the gate for
[36:21] » Lion Township residents? Yes.
And the and the um contractors will
[36:27] still [clears throat] they still will
pay their $800 fee.
[36:32] » Um that won't change. Um they come and
go now as they as they want anyways. So
[36:40] this doesn't really affect them all that
much. Um because they had keys by paying
[36:46] that $800. So theirs will theirs will
stay the same.
[36:55] Oh,
[36:59] » yeah. We approved this back in
>> Jeez, I can't tell you the date, but I
[37:06] know we approved the uh cost for the
gate and proved that we wanted to put it
[37:11] in
>> and the $20 fee.
[37:17] » That would should be in the minutes.
>> No, I'm sure it's in the minutes.
[37:20] » Oh, yeah. It was months and months ago.
I don't remember off hand.
[37:33] » Yeah, we voted on it.
>> It wasn't.
[37:36] » No, I I think it might have even been
May. I mean, I could look it look it up
[37:41] for you.
It's not a problem.
[37:49] » [clears throat]
[37:51] » Yeah, I can look it up for you.
>> How about in the back?
[37:56] » You said there was going to be 500
codes. That would that like the limit? I
[38:01] don't I don't know how many people or
household
[38:03] » Yeah, right now we're
we're I think at maybe 400.
[38:08] » Okay.
>> That currently have the the badge. So,
[38:12] it'll hold 500, but if if we needed to
up it, it can be upped.
[38:16] » [snorts]
>> And that's not for recycle, correct?
[38:20] » No, that's for the compost.
>> Okay. Make sure
[38:23] » Sam
[38:31] » I think we're going to cross that bridge
when we get there
[38:34] » for for Yeah, for now. I guess for time
being I'm not going to say they're going
[38:42] to stay there or they're going to go
behind the gate. I don't know. That's
[38:48] » I want to make a suggestion because
some of us said the last couple years
[38:55] that the recycling brack
[39:11] » I agree
>> there's no where
[39:16] » I absolutely
[39:19] or whatever you call it would be that
the recycling has to be inside.
[39:22] » That certainly is a possibility.
>> Yes, it is.
[39:26] » Consider it.
>> It will be definitely considered.
[39:29] » Yeah. I don't want this to turn into
comments as much as just questions about
[39:33] what he said, but I Yeah, definitely
considered.
[39:37] » What else you got?
>> That's it. Is it going to be
[39:44] like punch in certain numbers or you get
like a card and hold a card up to it?
[39:50] » You'll have a fourdigit code. So, it's a
keypad.
[39:53] » Got it.
>> Okay, [clears throat] we'll try and keep
[39:56] moving.
Who is next on the seat here? The clerk.
[40:04] » Okay. U Well, we're undergoing a bit of
a slowdown after the election of August
[40:10] 4th. That was pretty hectic uh in a
couple weeks couple weeks before that.
[40:15] Now we've begun to gear up already for
the November 3rd election. A bit of a
[40:20] note, the absentee ballots will be sent
out on September 25th. September 25th.
[40:26] That's only a little over a month from
now. Please notify the clerk's office of
[40:31] any change of address. Call the office
to verify the address you have on file
[40:36] and your alternate address should you
want the ballot to be sent there. We
[40:42] still have a big percentage of ballots
returned for incorrect address. This
[40:47] figure should be very low and it's not.
Remember the post office does not
[40:52] forward election material.
All notifications and postings from the
[40:58] clerk's office are being done in a
timely manner. Approved minutes, past
[41:02] resolutions, and all communications are
on file. I had three visits in the last
[41:08] six working days from interim chief fe
Chief Fay.
[41:13] Each time he has brought in a name and
information on new recruits for both
[41:18] fire and EMS. I'm very impressed with
that. We also had countless calls about
[41:24] the fire department doors being open,
sightings at the concerts of the fire
[41:29] truck and the fire dog Ember and the
open house, etc., etc. I'd like to
[41:36] acknowledge the marriage of my deputy
deputy clerk uh Courtney. The wedding
[41:40] took place this last week in uh Beloxy,
Mississippi. I'm very happy to have her
[41:47] back.
That's all I have.
[41:51] Okay. Any questions? You know, short of
the We will have a comment period if you
[41:56] got any questions pertinent to this.
Yes, Phil.
[41:59] » Yes. Mr. Turner, are you um confident
with the election that there was no
[42:05] fraudulent ballots?
>> Do I have the number with me tonight?
[42:10] » I said, are you confident that no
fraudulent ballots were cast at the
[42:15] election?
>> Well, we're we're pretty pretty
[42:18] confident. Yes. and the the uh county
clerk has let us know that she's pleased
[42:23] with our number. Uh we still have
another week to go before everything is
[42:28] absolutely official and final, but um
yes, I am so far.
[42:33] » Can you assure us that the ability
ballots are going to be properly
[42:37] received and handled?
>> Well, they they have been so far. The
[42:42] the things that I'm upset about is that
the people would call later and say,
[42:47] "Well, listen, it went to this other
address." I said, "This is the address
[42:51] we have on file and it's on the
qualified voter list, and if it's not
[42:56] changed on there, it won't be changed."
As far as you're concerned, the way the
[43:01] system is set up and there's no nothing
to be alarmed about or concerned about
[43:07] as far as the security of the past
election in the one county.
[43:11] » No, I don't think so. We keep our stuff
under lock and key most of the time. Uh
[43:18] at least one of us are there. And if
it's not, if neither one of the drawers
[43:22] locked and all these things are uh
secure. So we do we do the best we can.
[43:29] Phil,
>> any other questions for clerk burn?
[43:34] » May I address the real quick?
>> Sure.
[43:37] » Is it Greg's
here?
[43:41] » No, not
>> okay. I was supposed to address or go
[43:44] over the road and issue, but due to a
situation I'm being activated over.
[43:54] So if we can address this at a later
date,
[43:57] » I suspect it's going to be addressed at
every meeting we have.
[44:00] » But I have to leave. So I apologize for
>> No, that's fine. Go take care of
[44:04] business.
>> Emergency [clears throat] call that I
[44:08] » by all means.
>> Thanks for letting us know.
[44:11] [clears throat]
>> Absolutely.
[44:14] » Okay.
So, next
[44:21] uh we have Trusty Demer
[clears throat] I don't have much of a
[44:27] report to do. Just uh I'm happy to see
that uh Central Park Boulevard, the big
[44:32] hole that's in the middle of the road,
it's been patched up. Uh I went to the
[44:37] uh open house fire station and was
impressed by the things that they have
[44:41] there. And uh
as usual, I I walk the neighborhood with
[44:47] my dog Izzy and talk to different people
and uh about things that are going on.
[44:52] And things are going well from the
people that I talk to.
[44:57] That's it.
[45:08] » Okay, Mr. May, I think we're up to you.
All right. Good evening. Um, I don't see
[45:13] a spot on tonight's agenda for um, board
comments. So, mine's going to be
[45:18] twofold. I don't have much in um, in the
way of a report. As I stated at the work
[45:22] session, I will no longer be pursuing um
information on a fertilizer ban at this
[45:28] point in time because just as much as I
wanted to make sure that procedures and
[45:33] requirements were handled properly
during the quote unquote sewer wars, I
[45:37] want to make sure that any fertilizer
ban has the scientific data and research
[45:41] behind it first and foremost. Um, since
I'm doing dual here, as far as
[45:46] recycling, as far as I'm concerned, to
save mother earth in our lake, we should
[45:50] have more recycling bins and it should
be even if we have to have a tax
[45:54] increase because I don't want to see the
trash sitting around, I don't want to
[45:56] see it in the lake and I really don't
care who uses the bins because they are
[46:00] public. I mean, to say that it's just
for us, if I'm driving up here for the
[46:04] first time and I see a recycle bin and I
don't feel like throwing out my window,
[46:07] I'm going to the recycle center. I think
it's a good thing. Um, that being said,
[46:12] in June,
>> there will be it's on here. It's not on
[46:15] the agenda for report for the comments.
>> Yeah, that's
[46:18] » Well,
>> what were you asking about? Oh, public
[46:20] comment.
>> No, there's no there's nothing on here
[46:22] for board comments. So, mine's twofold.
>> Okay.
[46:26] » In June, um, at one of our board
meetings, I made some comments, um, that
[46:30] I want to clarify for the public. I made
it very clear that when we had a
[46:34] discussion that I stated that I do not
care what this board thinks of me. And I
[46:38] want to clarify why I said that.
In life, we all have one path to follow.
[46:43] My path may not align with these
gentlemen, but I am going to stay true
[46:47] to my path. Everyone who knows me knows
I'm about the Constitution, the rights
[46:51] of due process, laws, regulations, and
procedures, and I will not waver. So if
[46:58] that means that there are people on this
board or even in the public do not like
[47:01] that,
I don't have a problem with it because
[47:05] I'm under the clear mindset that if you
follow the rules, you follow the
[47:09] procedures, you follow the guidelines,
the only one you have left to complain
[47:12] to is yourself or go to the state
because we've done our job. Um, and
[47:18] here's some few examples why I'm going
to stay true to my path. There's been
[47:22] numerous numerous numerous procedural
requirements wrong in my time on this
[47:27] board. Um, we have a tax ass trash
assessment resolution that's never been
[47:33] addressed that the board states that we
will never address it, but yet we
[47:36] address it. Every single committee
appointment is not done properly
[47:40] according to state law. Not a one. They
are not given term limits. They are not
[47:45] staggered in the one to three and
fiveyear increments as required by state
[47:49] law. Um, there are just so many
procedural things for me that are wrong
[47:55] that I am once again under the clear
mindset. If you can't get the small
[47:59] things right, you can't get the big
things right. Thank you.
[48:05] » You are correct that I didn't have it on
the agenda, but it is on the process
[48:09] sheet here. But
>> well, it's not on.
[48:11] » You get another shot. How's that?
>> Okay.
[48:16] » Okay. Uh we already had maintenance uh
via treasure hops
[48:23] fire department Chief Fay.
>> All right. Good evening everybody.
[48:28] » All right. And the reports are over
there if anybody wants a copy of them.
[48:32] Uh so we responded to this is for the
month of July. We responded to 10
[48:37] requests for service. We had uh 13 total
EMS calls. Nine of them were turned
[48:42] over. Made four. We had eight fire
calls. Made six. We unfortunately turned
[48:47] over two of those. Um there's a
breakdown of them. Uh training wise, we
[48:52] did our monthly business meeting. Uh
went through driving the different
[48:56] apparatus with the new folks. Pumped
water with the engine. 623.
[49:01] Went over the power C use with the
ambulance. Uh 632.
[49:06] We did water shuttle training. So we
pumped water out of the dump tank,
[49:10] pumped it with the engine 623 and 640.
And then we went down to Townline Drive
[49:16] and uh pumped water out of the dry
hydrant there, did pump training,
[49:20] drafted the water from the hydrant, fed
623.
[49:24] Uh we completed all unit inspections
this last month. Um and all of that was
[49:31] done inhouse with with our team. Uh
completed the station inspection with
[49:36] Greg Per at the end of the month.
community involvement. We took uh 623
[49:41] and Ember down to Park 27 for a couple
of concerts and we also had a group. We
[49:46] took the ladder to H Hotton Lake to
Walmart for the national night out. So,
[49:51] we were down there for a few hours and
got a lot of pictures with the dog.
[49:55] People seem to enjoy that. Couple of
things that we had going on down at the
[49:59] station. We had a small propane leak and
leak and the repairs were made by West
[50:04] Webster Gardener. There was no charge.
There's no issue at this time. It was on
[50:08] our our vapor propane tank. It's a small
pigtail that was kind of a littleer one
[50:15] kind of a weaker style. Now it's a hog
tail according to them. So that's all
[50:19] taken care of. And then uh we also I got
with Google and Google and Apple Maps to
[50:25] correct the location of the fire
department. So now it shows actually at
[50:30] the 10 555 North Harrison Road versus it
was shown up down at uh Phoenix Avenue
[50:35] Park 27. So, that should be corrected on
everybody's maps.
[50:40] Um, then upcoming events, we've got the
basic life support ambulance license
[50:45] renewal that's in process right now. I
did this for the month of July, but
[50:49] we've already had our our meet and greet
that was on August 15th. That had a nice
[50:53] turnout. Um, upcoming, we have a
generator repair, so that's going to be
[50:58] done here in August. They're replacing a
a leaking block heater and installing a
[51:03] deicing filter on that. um and then
doing the preventive maintenance on both
[51:08] units. So that'll be taken care of and
up to date. And then on Monday, Lion
[51:13] Township hosted the uh fire chief
association meeting and that went well.
[51:19] So that's all I have. Any questions from
anybody?
[51:23] » I have one, sir. Uh there was a lot of
disappointed people that the last
[51:29] pancake breakfast got cancelled. Do we
have another one on schedule? Yeah,
[51:34] we'll do that on uh uh Memorial Day and
4th of July. That's our intent and
[51:40] enough people have offered to volunteer
and help, we can we can make that
[51:44] happen. So, that is definitely our
intent.
[51:46] » And unfortunately, we missed the last
concert, but the kids bash over in Ross
[51:53] Common, we had been asked to take the
dog over there. It got rained out, got
[51:57] rescheduled, so we met that obligation
and unfortunately had missed a park.
[52:02] possibility of scheduling another
pancake breakfast other than those two
[52:06] or is it too much work?
>> We'll see. Let's move into that. I know
[52:11] we also do the pancake breakfast at
Winterfest. We help with that.
[52:14] » Yeah.
>> So, there'll be one there in the early
[52:16] winter.
>> We talked about uh uh Labor Day weekend,
[52:21] but a lot of people are getting packed
up ready to get out of here. It's been
[52:24] tried in the past
>> and was less successful. So, um
[52:29] » Okay,
>> we'll hold. Are you guys going to
[52:32] participate in the firemen's memorial
September?
[52:35] » I will be at training. I will bring it
up to the guys and if any of them want
[52:39] to go over or take a unit over or
>> Yeah, I I think it would be good.
[52:43] » Understood.
>> I mean, there's a lot of I don't know,
[52:46] there's 20 departments there or
something, so
[52:50] » I I've got instructor training.
>> Okay, that's more important, but
[52:54] » unfortunately,
>> maybe the assistant chief will uh
[52:57] » Yeah,
>> if he's got time to do it.
[52:59] » See who has. Yep.
>> I had two quick questions. Uh, Philip
[53:04] Dupri Henry,
>> he has not turned in his application
[53:08] yet. So, that's
>> Well, I'm I'm My question is And then
[53:12] Brianna Mcill.
>> Yes.
[53:15] » These are coming through you, right?
>> Yes.
[53:17] » Okay. As long as they're coming through
you.
[53:19] » McGillan came through me. Uh, Dri picked
up a flyer when he was in paying his
[53:24] taxes.
>> That's right. As long as you see him
[53:26] before we do, I'm okay with I've got
McGillan's application. You folks have
[53:31] that
>> so we can make
[53:32] » I have both of them here. So, are we
ready to go on?
[53:34] » I don't know that you have his
application unless he dropped it off
[53:38] today.
>> We've got his resume. You got his res
[53:42] resume, not his actually filled out
application.
[53:44] » It's not an application.
>> So, let's wait to approve him until he
[53:49] brings his in.
>> Yes.
[53:50] » So, her her application is in she's
ready one to go.
[53:55] » All right.
Which one's the paramedic again? That's
[53:58] » That was Dupri.
>> Dupri. Okay.
[54:02] » Okay. Is there any questions from the
public? Um for Chief Fest.
[54:08] How many 911 calls do we receive?
[54:14] » For the month of July,
we had 13 EMS calls and eight fire
[54:20] calls.
>> And how many did we respond to? We
[54:23] turned over nine EMS calls and we turned
over two fire calls.
[54:27] » Turned over meaning
>> uh Potton Lake Ambulance Authority ran
[54:31] on the EMS [snorts] calls. We because we
didn't have an EMS available.
[54:35] » And so you don't have EMS. So do you
have to pass those on?
[54:38] » Correct. We have two EMS on on our
books. If they're not available, H
[54:44] Hotton Lake Ambulance Authority runs
advanced life support. They're auto
[54:48] [clears throat] dispatched with us. We
let them know that we didn't have a crew
[54:50] available. What kind of response time do
they have through the community?
[54:55] » I I believe just from cast I would say
typically they beat us to it to a a
[55:01] residence because we go from home to the
barn to get the ambulance and then to
[55:06] wherever we're going. It also depends on
where where they are. So we've had
[55:11] conversation with them. They know that
we're short-handed right now. So they've
[55:15] made pretty good response time. If you
were if you guys if you were staff at a
[55:19] different level then you'd be responding
to one of these calls.
[55:22] » Yes, we would be responding. I don't
know if we'll be any faster but we're
[55:26] you know we're definitely going to try.
>> How do we keep the public informed about
[55:30] what they can expect?
In other words, should they get in their
[55:34] car and drive to Winston
or should they wait for somebody coming
[55:39] from another town? I can tell you right
now that the Hold Lake Ambulance
[55:42] Authority is 20 minutes or less because
they're in the building. So when they
[55:48] get a call, if you don't mind,
>> well, I'm going to interject that
[55:51] because I have talked to them about it.
>> Okay. Well, that's fine.
[55:54] » Okay.
>> I would say it's your individual call.
[55:57] If you'd like to call 911, they're going
to be here as quick as they can. They
[56:00] can run lights and sirens and depending
on this information that they've
[56:04] received from you or a loved one, they
can start care over the phone and
[56:09] they're going to get rolling. Like I
would recommend calling the ambulance.
[56:14] » Is part of the goal to reduce that
response time or increase the responses
[56:18] that are possible locally here?
>> Hopefully we can do both. Yes. if as we
[56:23] get more EMS personnel on staff trained
up depending on where they live as quick
[56:30] as they can get to the station and get
in the rig and get another person so we
[56:33] have two licenses to roll we're going to
go I it depends on where they are but
[56:39] that's our intent is to be there as
quick as we can we will continue with HT
[56:43] Lake
first when one there's you know there's
[56:47] no ego there whoever's there the fastest
is going to take care of you and then
[56:52] we're going assist each other.
[56:56] » Any other questions for Chief Fay?
[57:01] Just want to reply that me and Steve
talked about that a long time ago when
[57:07] personnel get higher about keeping staff
at the safe medical.
[57:17] » I think the long range plan that we have
explored is eventually getting to a
[57:22] millillage and trying to go 247, but
we're nowhere near that now. that it's a
[57:28] possibility, but it takes people to, you
know, having people here that can
[57:31] respond and we're working on it the best
we can. If you know of anybody, please
[57:35] send them our way.
>> You That really was my question. 24
[57:40] hours, but that's not within the current
funding that we have.
[57:45] » We have a millage coming up next year
and then the following year for
[57:49] equipment and uh to get a millillage and
prepare it and try and go 24/7 is a
[57:56] major undertaking.
It's not in the foreseeable radar, but
[58:01] it will be by next year. We'll be
certainly talking about it. We got to
[58:05] get the current millig
>> and we are set up for basic life
[58:08] support. So if you're having a heart
attack, we want Hot Colton Lake to still
[58:11] come. Or if it's an advanced life
support issue, we want them coming
[58:16] because they have the equipment, the
paramedics on board, [cough] like
[58:20] they're going to give advanced care.
They can push drugs. They can do a lot
[58:23] of things that we can't at our level,
our lensure.
[58:27] » So when we call 911, then we get you
guys. Is that right?
[58:32] » You get central dispatch
>> and they auto tone both us and
[58:37] ambulance. We'll just get whoever gets
there fast first. Is that correct?
[58:41] » We we both roll.
>> And it's been that way for a couple
[58:44] years.
>> Yeah.
[58:47] » People I because I hear frequently we
don't have coverage. We do have
[58:50] coverage. That's what we have.
>> But you're going 247 would be an
[58:57] ultimate goal. Yes.
>> Garish has supported us. Denton
[59:00] supported us. We you know the dispatch
knows who's who's where what the
[59:05] emergency is. They're going to dispatch
to the best of their ability to get the
[59:08] pursuit, you know, here the past.
>> Y
[59:12] » I had to call 911.
>> Yep.
[59:17] » 15 minutes. Great job.
>> Thank you.
[59:21] » We do have
Thanks.
[59:26] » It's good to hear.
>> Okay. point of
[59:33] that
[59:38] account
[59:43] you would also send
somebody
[59:50] unless it's
for example has a life support. Yes.
[1:00:00] » And Chief Williams here if she's if
their ambulance is tied up. I think they
[1:00:06] have a second person that would
[1:00:19] take his phone out.
[1:00:34] If something happens,
[1:00:55] I apologize. Yeah. Terminology
a little real quick question or not
[1:01:02] comment number one uh on the short
stretch of military road that is in
[1:01:08] common.
>> That's funny.
[1:01:09] » Continue emergency response to the wrong
road. I myself was involved in one. A
[1:01:15] gentleman that was having a heart attack
was involved in one. The ambulance went
[1:01:18] to the wrong location.
>> Mhm. and we had uh in my case it was
[1:01:23] just what was the perceived so that's a
comment second comment is along the same
[1:01:30] line so I'm going to make it right here
uh at one time I was running a meeting
[1:01:35] here to this and I had a gentleman
having a perceived heart attack and the
[1:01:39] first thing they asked me do you have an
AED available there is no AD available
[1:01:46] in this facility that I know of
>> it's over in the office
[1:01:50] » in the in other side or
>> it's in the other side by the office.
[1:01:54] Assuming that we might see somebody drop
in the parking lot.
[1:01:56] » The problem is you weren't here. Those
doors were locked.
[1:02:01] » No, I'm saying Well, okay. Good point.
>> What organization were you here with
[1:02:07] with a meeting?
>> I was here with the CCO.
[1:02:10] » Oh, okay. No, that's a real good point.
>> We'll have to fix that somehow some way.
[1:02:15] » Thank you. As far as the address,
>> well, it could as easily probably be in
[1:02:19] this hallway.
Um, there's nothing saying it has to be
[1:02:23] on the other side of that wall.
>> Just a comment. Thank you, Super.
[1:02:26] » No, I appreciate that.
>> That makes sense.
[1:02:33] [cough]
[1:02:36] » Okay. Anything else? And then we're
going to move on. If not,
[1:02:40] [clears throat]
>> thank you, Chief.
[1:02:42] » Thanks, Dave.
>> Uh, next is Our
[1:02:47] section Bruce.
[1:02:58] » Okay. At the cemetery, we sold two lots.
I had two burials. Um, one was a full
[1:03:04] burial, one was a cremation, and we had
three headstone placed. Um, want to let
[1:03:11] everybody know the water's been on now
for three weeks. uh finally and uh we're
[1:03:16] in the process I'm in the process of uh
painting the chapel and the garage and
[1:03:20] the uh water this week.
[1:03:27] » You must have volunteered.
[clears throat]
[1:03:30] » No, because I like doing it.
>> I don't know anybody
[1:03:34] » and I care about that.
>> I don't know anybody that wants to
[1:03:36] paint. Okay.
>> I really care about that cemetery. I
[1:03:40] talk to those people all the time.
You do a heck of a job there. I will
[1:03:44] give you that.
>> Do they talk back?
[1:03:47] » Sometime sometimes the little headstone
pops up.
[1:03:51] [laughter]
[1:03:54] » Okay. Any questions in regards to the
sex under the cemetery?
[1:04:05] » Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
>> Actually, I seen it around there today.
[1:04:11] So,
[1:04:15] I've never seen
so bad.
[1:04:19] » He does a great job. There's no
question.
[1:04:23] » Goes hand in hand with he cares.
>> I'll just add a little something to it.
[1:04:28] Every time you have a function over
there, anytime, whatever it is, or
[1:04:33] you're dealing with a few people, I get
the call. I don't know why the clerk's
[1:04:37] office is the clearing house, but it is.
>> That's cuz I serve beers. Oh,
[1:04:43] well, give us a time. [laughter]
So, that new water line is a tap. Oh,
[1:04:49] » you buried a keg out there. What'd you
do?
[1:04:51] » There's no hope.
>> Okay. Well, thank you, sir. Uh, stay in
[1:04:57] the seat and we're going to Let me line
this up. Okay. Now, we're on to the
[1:05:02] ordinance officer.
>> Yeah. The cemetery was the happy note.
[1:05:05] Okay.
Okay. So, I had I had nine nine
[1:05:10] complaints,
three complaints about leaf blowing in
[1:05:15] the street. And as you know, as we
talked about at the work session, we're
[1:05:19] trying to implement a a ordinance
make it illegal to blow leaves in the
[1:05:24] streets on other people's property and
across the lake road into
[1:05:30] um the state land.
So, we hoping to have that in place by
[1:05:35] October 15.
Sorry to push you guys, but yes.
[1:05:41] » Okay. I'm sure we can steal one that
fast from another township
[1:05:46] has. There's only one that has one.
Maybe you can go to death. I think
[1:05:50] there's
[1:05:53] Okay. I had a complaint of fall in the
motel for junk and I got with the health
[1:05:59] department on that one and as it turns
out she had cleaned it up pretty well.
[1:06:03] So that's pretty much closed. There's
other issues going on over there that
[1:06:07] has nothing to do with us.
I also had a complaint about water
[1:06:12] diversion on Insbrook where the person
is
[1:06:16] um
has a pipe and it's going on the
[1:06:19] person's property. We don't get involved
in that. That also is a property
[1:06:24] dispute. Had I had one about go fast
rental that's closed. I went and talked
[1:06:29] to them. That's complete.
And two unchunked, one on Penry and one
[1:06:35] on Minihaha.
Um they started cleaning up on Minihaha
[1:06:40] and I just sent the letter to the person
at Penry
[1:06:44] and then also some follow on Minihaha.
Um, I had I had the health department
[1:06:49] involved in that and also environmental
control. And I have to admit this this
[1:06:54] person is really doing everything can
operate. So,
[1:07:00] okay.
[1:07:03] Now, I'm staff.
Okay. I put this out
[1:07:10] and and I was late kind of late putting
it out. So, I don't know if everyone got
[1:07:13] it because I wanted to talk very briefly
about it.
[1:07:17] And I want you to know that I haven't
been sitting on any hands. I've been
[1:07:21] working with the with the um sheriff's
department with Ben Low and I've also
[1:07:26] been working with the um county
commission.
[1:07:30] Um I've been working on some things.
We're down there. But I just wanted to
[1:07:36] very briefly touch on whatever this
means
[1:07:41] so that we're all on the same page and
understand each other because there is
[1:07:44] some confusion.
[1:07:48] So the Jacobs ruling is actually a court
order. Okay.
[1:07:55] It addresses the area of roads that beat
the shoreline. No person has a right. No
[1:07:59] person has the right to prevent another
person
[1:08:02] from using the public access. Everybody
and anybody can use it.
[1:08:09] You can you can't swim there. I mean you
can't picnic there. You can't sit there.
[1:08:15] It's all about obstruction. You cannot
obstruct. You can you can launch a kayak
[1:08:20] or you can uh run in the water. That's
about all you can do. But if someone's
[1:08:25] there and I and I talked to Ben Low
who's the under who's the under sheriff
[1:08:30] and I asked him this question, can you
force somebody off the road? He said
[1:08:34] absolutely not because it's not a law
and that's a civil matter.
[1:08:40] And that's what he told me and you're
welcome to call him and confirm what I
[1:08:43] just said.
[1:08:47] So that being said,
there is a law and it's a 2000 public
[1:08:53] there's a 2012 public act 56 Michigan
law
[1:08:59] and that's very strict and that is a
misdemeanor.
[1:09:04] So basically all you can do and that
mostly concerns docs. Oh and I might add
[1:09:09] something I forgot to add. All doc
permits are done through the clerk.
[1:09:15] Not me.
Um,
[1:09:19] anybody, you cannot deny anyone can go
in any dock. Any boat can come off the
[1:09:23] lake, go up to the dock, drop somebody
off or pick somebody off and go off to a
[1:09:27] merry way. Nobody can deny them than
that. Not even an association. Nobody.
[1:09:32] They're a public.
[1:09:39] So what you cannot do or what you cannot
do more or dock a boat between midnight
[1:09:45] and sunrise install or use a boat hoist
or void anchorage device on the public
[1:09:49] road or obstruct another person's access
to or from the lake. Install or maintain
[1:09:55] an unauthorized dock and public road in
use the public road in or dock in a
[1:09:59] manner that violates restrictions and
establishments.
[1:10:04] So, what I'm going to say because there
were incidents over there, if there's
[1:10:08] people partying on the dock, call the
police. Really, they they will they can
[1:10:12] be fined heavily for that. Please call
the police. Don't try to take it upon
[1:10:16] yourself. Call the police. If it's a if
it's a road in issue, you can call me.
[1:10:23] If it's one person that's sunbathing,
you can call me. But if this it's a big
[1:10:28] party, call the police, please.
[1:10:36] Okay, the last thing that I want to
address and stamina said is the parking.
[1:10:41] So, we're going to pretend like that's
the water near the lake front runners.
[1:10:46] This is the road. Anyone who's allowed
to park and I and I and I drove around
[1:10:52] with the road commission and we talked
about this. If anyone is allowed to park
[1:10:57] all along that road, they're all public
access, but they cannot obstruct. They
[1:11:03] cannot block a driveway. They have to be
30 ft from the stop sign. Um the road,
[1:11:09] the road that comes here, that's called
Bruce Street. Um they can park all along
[1:11:14] that. The road that comes off from the
lake, they can park all along that, but
[1:11:17] you cannot obstruct a uh emergency
emergency vehicle must be able to go
[1:11:23] through.
So, and that's on both sides.
[1:11:28] There's no there's no signs that say
there's no parking. It's it's a it's a
[1:11:32] public road. Um, but again, and I
actually answered a call where a guy
[1:11:38] literally was parked right up in the
stop sign right up to the uh road end
[1:11:43] and I made a move. And that's something
I will do. I'll be very strict about
[1:11:47] that. So, and that's the end of my
report.
[1:11:54] Well, thank you, sir.
I do not want to turn this into a
[1:11:59] freeforall.
>> Oh, can I add one more thing?
[1:12:02] » Anybody that wants any information, our
ordinance 62 pertains to act, that's on
[1:12:07] our web page.
Anyone that wants any information about
[1:12:11] the Jacobs ruling, they can go and
Google it and they and they can do it.
[1:12:15] Anyone who wants information about the
law, public act 56, it was easy to
[1:12:22] obtain. I just Google and print it and
it's very informative. It really lays
[1:12:27] out the rule, especially 56. That's a
serious serious law.
[1:12:34] » Okay. Thanks. So, as the ordinance
officer, he's informing you of how he's
[1:12:38] going to handle the situation to the
best of his knowledge right now. I would
[1:12:44] really like to stay away from arguments
in regards to disputes with what he just
[1:12:49] said.
I don't know that we're going to be able
[1:12:52] to get away with that. I can tell you
that I've been in almost constant
[1:12:58] attorney.
I have been in contact with Garish
[1:13:01] Township, Brian Hill
there.
[1:13:07] In the end, there's going to be a better
understanding for everybody,
[1:13:13] but it's not now today.
So, let's try and keep that in mind. If
[1:13:19] we have questions for Bruce, that's
fine. But disputing what he's saying
[1:13:24] right now, we're not really done doing
the research. I have emails coming back
[1:13:30] from a couple of people yet, and I share
them with him, and we go with that. I
[1:13:36] just want you to know that if I get a
complaint, the the unfortunate thing is
[1:13:39] at Samuel said, whatever happens on
Saturday and Sunday, sometimes I don't
[1:13:43] get the complaint till Monday or
Tuesday. So there's nothing that I can
[1:13:47] do after the fact. In fact, there's been
many instances there's nothing. Some
[1:13:52] people have my cell phone and they text
me. It once I get the complaint, I give
[1:13:56] them my cell phone number so that we can
stay in constant contact. I want you to
[1:14:01] know that.
>> Okay,
[1:14:03] » that's good. appreciate that.
>> I have a question if someone if an
[1:14:07] audience member wants to go first.
That's more than
[1:14:10] » So, is there any general questions that
we can avoid trying to nail down details
[1:14:14] that we're not really
prepared to nail down today?
[1:14:21] [snorts] Sure. We can start over here in
the front row. How's that sound?
[1:14:27] The people on cinema set they put a dock
in
[1:14:33] that dock has to be like in the middle
line up with the middle of their
[1:14:38] property. Correct.
>> Correct.
[1:14:42] » Yeah. Here we here we go again.
>> I can tell you that I read it just can't
[1:14:47] be on the neighbor's property.
[1:14:52] » Once again we this has been going on how
many years? since the late 1940s.
[1:14:57] » We're not going to resolve it tonight.
We got to be nice to each other cuz
[1:15:03] answers will be coming, but they're not
here right now.
[1:15:08] » How about we'll go down this way and
come back around. So, Phil,
[1:15:12] » yes. Must all complaints about ordinance
potential ordinance violations be
[1:15:17] submitted.
for me
[1:15:22] for me to act I mean for me to fully act
it has to go on that little blue sheet
[1:15:27] that's in the office sometimes you know
I might get a call and I'll go always go
[1:15:32] and check out and then I'll tell that
person they need to file a formal
[1:15:36] complaint
>> burning complaint
[1:15:39] a real time complaint somebody burning
you get to the point or two later if
[1:15:46] I'll give you an example
Greg actually called me about somebody
[1:15:50] burning. You talk about burning leaves,
right?
[1:15:53] » Like Greg called me about somebody
burning leaves and I ran over them.
[1:15:57] » Okay, that's kind of different than
>> What about the guy burning leaves down
[1:16:01] past the store? We talked about this
many times. The smoke down there goes
[1:16:07] leaves us as an advertising technique.
You know where I'm talking about.
[1:16:14] » I know. Yeah, I know where
>> Yeah, I know. Exactly. I don't think
[1:16:17] that Bernie leaves though. I think that
they're burning.
[1:16:22] » Yeah, they're they're burning it in a
ring.
[1:16:25] » They're burning in ring.
>> They're burning in a ring, which is no
[1:16:27] different than somebody having a
campfire.
[1:16:29] » Well, it's not a campfire. This is in
business.
[1:16:32] » Okay, Phil, I'm going to ask you to do a
formal complaint with them and we'll
[1:16:36] look at it again. I looked last year.
>> We can't sit here all night talking
[1:16:40] about this.
>> I brought this up.
[1:16:43] » No, I went and looked and they were
burning wood inside a ring. I said,
[1:16:46] "Come in and make a formal complaint and
I will act on it." And you never did.
[1:16:50] » I was told that I had to put writing
when Paul was doing your job.
[1:16:53] » Yes. And this board has approved when we
hired him that he will deal with
[1:16:58] complaints that are put in writing.
>> And I even gave you my cell number.
[1:17:02] » Okay. Well, I like to do a real time
report. So, you come in tomorrow. I'll
[1:17:07] give you tomorrow.
>> If he decides he wants to deal with it,
[1:17:10] that's his call as the ordinance
officer.
[1:17:14] Very good.
Okay.
[1:17:18] » How you doing, Dan?
[1:17:30] » Right. There are and that's very because
there are no parking signs down there. I
[1:17:34] wasn't I don't want to mislead you. I
wasn't referring to that at all. Where
[1:17:38] there's no parking signs, you cannot
park there. In fact, I'll take it even
[1:17:41] further. Where the park is, we have an
ordinance. You can't pull all those
[1:17:45] four-wheelers up right up to that beach.
We have an ordinance.
[1:17:54] [clears throat]
>> Okay.
[1:17:57] Okay. Fire back.
[1:18:05] » Um, do you have any idea? And I
appreciate you guys are moving forward.
[1:18:12] Have any idea may need some more
clarification how many more meetings
[1:18:16] down the road who you're working with
clarification specifically in
[1:18:23] talking about
[1:18:27] » we can talk about bismar because that's
under investigation
[1:18:31] » yeah that's that was number one we don't
we don't know
[1:18:34] » any%
it will be educational um I did want to
[1:18:39] publicly thank Bruce and I'll see you
all um exceeded my expectations.
[1:18:48] Bruce, you got
[1:18:56] » I I can envision that
um a special meeting might have to take
[1:19:02] place subject to deal with all the
questions. Um I like I said, Brian Hill
[1:19:09] was gone. The uh chief was on vacation.
And I'm glad he showed up tonight. I
[1:19:13] forgot his name. But there's some pieces
of this puzzle that need to come
[1:19:18] together for us and then
we can start to think about where we're
[1:19:23] going with it.
[1:19:27] Okay, switching over to here. Go ahead,
sir.
[1:19:32] » All the many all the marina on set. Now,
we got the address to you for the
[1:19:38] sheriff's department. You want it in one
lump. You want every address for a
[1:19:42] complaint for every house because there
are people that have multiple vaults.
[1:19:47] They're not registered for them.
>> Votes are supposed to be registered to
[1:19:50] the owner of the house.
>> Yes. Yep.
[1:19:53] » That is true. That is true.
>> And I know who they are.
[1:20:00] » There's a difference. There's I mean I I
can drive down Samuel set and it's not
[1:20:07] it's not the docks that are the public
docks. It's a lot of things going on
[1:20:12] down there. There's blockies. There's I
mean
[1:20:15] » I agree.
>> There's all kinds of
[1:20:19] you know I mean I'll rule on this end
but it's got to be
[1:20:23] » Well, it's got it's got to go. I mean
don't I'm not biased one way or another.
[1:20:27] I mean, if you're if you're not doing
the rolls, I'm going to act on it.
[1:20:33] » I I would add also, this is one of the
reasons we're asking for written
[1:20:37] complaints. When I was temporary
ordinance officer, I don't know how many
[1:20:42] times people would tell me something.
Your your best bet is to do a formal
[1:20:49] complaint with him.
>> Pictures
[1:20:54] are good. Are very good.
[1:21:02] Okay. Nobody can hear you talking. So
>> that's a good point. So whoever files
[1:21:06] the complaint,
>> nobody will ever know who filed that
[1:21:09] complaint with me.
>> I will keep that totally to myself.
[1:21:12] » Okay, that's
>> that the second part of that,
[1:21:16] » excuse me. The second part of that is if
you go to court, your name comes up.
[1:21:22] » He won't write you off.
>> He We don't have to say anything. No, I
[1:21:26] mean it because people you have to
understand you can file a complaint and
[1:21:30] you remain you remain anonymous to that
person, but if they if you end up in
[1:21:35] civil court, they have a right to know
who's complaining about
[1:21:37] » I I'll never divol whoever made
[clears throat] that complaint ever. And
[1:21:41] I get, believe me, I get asked every
single time. So, [snorts]
[1:21:45] » all right, swinging to this side. Oh,
let's go to the far corner. How's that?
[1:21:49] » Same job.
>> I want to clarify something. Is that
[1:21:52] mean when my daughters come up to visit
me, they cannot go down and sunbathe on
[1:21:57] the dock?
>> I'm not going to answer that question
[1:22:00] today.
>> It's pretty sad. We're all here to enjoy
[1:22:05] the lake.
>> And that's what I don't want to try and
[1:22:09] get into today is the disagreements
about whether we believe
[1:22:12] » I think all that is in all that is in
Prop 56. I think if you read Prop 56,
[1:22:18] that'll pretty much lay it out what you
can do on that dock and what you cannot
[1:22:22] do on that dock. And he's right. We're
not going to answer specifically what
[1:22:25] you can do on that dock because you have
the ability to gather that information
[1:22:29] for yourself.
>> All right, swinging around this way.
[1:22:34] » Anybody in the back?
>> Okay, how about you?
[1:22:38] » I want to also
[1:22:45] kindful.
>> Thank you.
[1:22:49] » I do have a comment though about um
you're stating anybody can park on
[1:22:57] anywhere.
>> Well, you cannot not anywhere. Okay. I'm
[1:23:00] going to do a visual.
>> No, I know. 30 time.
[1:23:03] » You can park along the road. Okay.
>> Right.
[1:23:07] » You can't park this way and the other
person park this way because then you're
[1:23:10] obstructed. Well, my concern is an
obstruction for emergency vehicles,
[1:23:15] » right? And that's exactly what
>> all up and down. That's what I said.
[1:23:20] There has to be
>> trailer can't get by.
[1:23:23] » Yeah. Somebody I mean they call me
because if it doesn't look like there's
[1:23:28] going to be an emergency vehicle to get
through there, then I will make the
[1:23:32] move.
>> And and again,
[1:23:34] » it isn't so much the cars. Okay.
>> We all know what it is.
[1:23:38] » So, it's the four wheels. this.
>> Okay, I don't know that we all know, but
[1:23:42] I'm going to say this again.
>> If you feel threatened or you have
[1:23:47] serious trespass issues, call the
police. Okay, now their definition is,
[1:23:54] excuse me, just a second. Their
definition is, can the vehicle get
[1:23:58] through? That's not the same as are they
parked half on the road or not. This is
[1:24:04] another one of them things. cuz we're
not going to get to a definitive answer
[1:24:07] today, but the law, the state law is you
cannot block traffic. It doesn't say you
[1:24:12] can't park on a road.
>> I I will tell you this, working with the
[1:24:16] sheriff's department, as I've done. I
know that they're going to be patrolling
[1:24:19] down there more often.
[snorts]
[1:24:22] » Okay, that was that was a point that I
made and asked them to do.
[1:24:26] » Okay.
>> Okay. Coming around.
[1:24:29] Sure.
>> This is not about
[1:24:35] I'm just curious because that meeting
that there might be discussion about the
[1:24:41] property owner concern late concern with
charging of any business that were going
[1:24:48] on public
was closed that case and I'm wondering
[1:24:57] share any details about
can you share any details about how that
[1:25:02] was closed if you can't.
>> No, I can't. No, I absolutely can't. So,
[1:25:06] I went and I know Jeremy. I do know the
owner there. I called him. He wasn't
[1:25:11] even aware of it. What was going on,
what they were doing. They was they were
[1:25:15] » taking a shortcut instead of going to
lunch, but he wasn't aware of the he
[1:25:18] wasn't. And I talked to I talked to the
people that were there and they assured
[1:25:24] me that they would move. They wouldn't
do it anymore. And I know Jeremy called
[1:25:29] them and from what I from I haven't had
a complaint since.
[1:25:33] » So those were his employees that were
doing that.
[1:25:35] » It was his employees. It was his
employees that were doing it. That's
[1:25:39] correct.
>> So the owner doesn't have to open up
[1:25:41] competition now.
>> I was just curious.
[1:25:45] » Yeah, I know.
>> You have to be in that position,
[1:25:47] » right? But I'm just telling you that's
how that's how it was closed.
[1:25:50] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:25:51] » Great. Good.
[1:25:55] » Okay. Okay. His head's big enough as it
is now after tonight. Jeez.
[1:26:02] » Okay, we're going to move on. Thank you.
>> I'm not done.
[1:26:06] » Okay.
>> No. No. Bruce. Yes. Bruce, have a seat,
[1:26:08] please. I'm not done.
>> I'm not done.
[1:26:15] » Just a quick question. I want some
clarification. I'll probably open up a
[1:26:18] can of worms tonight, but here we are.
Um, so I did a bunch of research with
[1:26:22] legal scholars that I know and I've
talked to the Roscom County Road
[1:26:25] Commission numerous times and I want to
know if you personally know this to be
[1:26:31] true based on bomb vers bomb family
trust versus Babel 2010 that the Supreme
[1:26:37] Court for the state of Michigan ruled
that riperian rights riparian rights for
[1:26:43] homes in this case we'll say in Samoset
that are on this side of the road do not
[1:26:48] lose that right or privilege.
the riparian rights just because a
[1:26:53] public road cuts through, but they do
not own the easement and they do not and
[1:26:59] the own the sandy shore up to the wat's
edge.
[1:27:03] » I did not want to get into that, Tim,
but you did.
[1:27:05] » No, I miss asking you. Have you heard
this?
[1:27:07] » That's another
>> That's another fight for another day.
[1:27:11] That's
>> that's a great answer.
[1:27:16] » Yeah. And I asked I asked my friends
that work for the state. So, all right.
[1:27:20] So, we'll just leave it at that.
>> It's another fight for another day.
[1:27:23] » There you go.
>> Okay. Thank you, Bruce.
[1:27:28] » Uh, Parks and Wreck is on here. I'll
briefly mention that we had our first
[1:27:32] meeting with some new members.
Didn't uh do a whole lot right off the
[1:27:37] bat. There's a couple of things coming
up and announcements that I'll get to
[1:27:42] by midnight.
[1:27:46] » So, that would conclude
Comments from the board or the
[1:27:52] department heads.
[1:27:58] [snorts]
[1:28:20] Thank you folks.
[1:28:25] Okay, we'll move on for a while here.
See if we can get some of it done. Maybe
[1:28:28] we're going to have to take a break.
Uh, next on the agenda is approval of
[1:28:34] the consent agenda. And for today's
meeting, the consent agenda
[1:28:39] includes a check register from 71726
to 82026
[1:28:46] and the invoice register from 71826
to 82026
[1:28:52] as printed and delivered to me today and
is on the table there.
[1:29:00] I will make a motion to approve the
consent agenda as just stated.
[1:29:06] » Do we have a second?
>> Second. [clears throat]
[1:29:12] » Okay. A second by Hops. Any discussion
from the board on it?
[1:29:17] » Yes.
Um I don't know. I don't have the list
[1:29:21] of consent agenda listed in the agenda,
but that's just a formality. So, at our
[1:29:25] work session, Supervisor Bertran um made
reference to a foyer research foyer
[1:29:31] request researched by our then zoning
admin um and that he should get paid for
[1:29:37] that. And I'm wondering is this ACU code
on here for 15616 as we discussed is the
[1:29:43] one you referenced?
>> I believe it would be. Yes.
[1:29:46] » All right. That is a violation of state
law. I checked again since the work
[1:29:51] session. All for your requests, monies
must come into the township for the
[1:29:56] operational function only of that
department. That comes from Lumis Law
[1:30:01] Firm, not to line someone's pockets. If
we choose to give some money for someone
[1:30:06] doing research, it has to be
pre-approved by the board. And it was
[1:30:10] not. Supervisor Bertran nor Treasurer
Hops nor Clerk Per not that I'm saying
[1:30:15] they did have the unilateral authority
under state statute to cut a check with
[1:30:19] your township money and it was never
approved by this board. So I would like
[1:30:23] at this point in time I'd like to move
that we remove the consent agenda that
[1:30:28] the invoice register out of it put it
into the agenda as I'm allowed to do by
[1:30:33] law and we discuss it further.
I'll just have you know though there's
[1:30:39] been no check
uh that I know of cut. I haven't seen
[1:30:44] one.
>> Well, it's right here for 15616 and it
[1:30:47] says it's paid.
>> I have not seen
[1:30:50] » Oh, I'm not saying it was you. I'm just
saying you three are in the office, but
[1:30:52] I was just referencing what I was told
by my legal people. I know that no one
[1:30:56] in the office has the legal authority.
>> I agree. So I don't know how we have a
[1:31:01] check here as referenced at the work
session dated 83 of 2026 for $156.16
[1:31:08] amount due is zero status paid
journalized yes which means it's already
[1:31:12] been cashed
>> and paid.
[1:31:14] » No can't it can't have been cashed.
>> It says paid amount due zero.
[1:31:19] » Yeah it's have
>> it's not pending. It's not open.
[1:31:23] » Courtney hasn't done any checks yet.
Correct.
[1:31:26] » Well he got the check somehow.
You're talking about for Robert?
[1:31:30] » Yeah,
>> we got that a while ago with the bands
[1:31:33] two weeks ago
>> before we brought it up. I
[1:31:37] » I think so. And I think it was a at a
request
[1:31:40] » of the supervisor.
>> We brought it up before I brought it up
[1:31:44] before and offered it as a solution to
pay him and and Mr. Monae disputed it
[1:31:49] then if he got paid. I'm willing to live
with the consequences myself personally
[1:31:55] if that shouldn't have been done and
whatever the fine might be to me I it's
[1:32:00] » it's the whole township we are a board
you do not have unilateral authority to
[1:32:04] step on our toes and put us under the
bus
[1:32:07] » without board approval we all have an
equal
[1:32:09] » if you would like if you would like to
try and pull it now I wasn't aware that
[1:32:14] he actually got it I know that's what we
had discussed about
[1:32:17] » how'd he get it without a signature from
the authorization from the proper
[1:32:20] person.
[1:32:24] » Look at me.
>> You can't You don't cut checks.
[1:32:27] » No, but if I if it happened and it was
because of something I did, then I am
[1:32:31] the responsible person. And that's if I
screwed up in your eyes, if I screwed up
[1:32:37] in the eyes of the law, I'm fine.
That is what happened.
[1:32:43] And now we're either moving forward or
we talk about it some more.
[1:32:49] And here we are again that there was
retroactive pay without board authority.
[1:32:53] And this time, Supervisor Bertran took
it upon himself to unilaterally use your
[1:32:58] tax dollars which was supposed to be an
operational function those foyer
[1:33:02] requests instead of put giving it to the
township, put it in someone's pocket.
[1:33:07] » That is correct.
[1:33:12] The the issue was whether or not he got
paid before for this stuff, which we
[1:33:16] actually we still need to resolve.
>> He never has.
[1:33:21] » Clerk P was going to look and see if he
could find any checks that were ever
[1:33:25] cashed by.
>> I've never found any.
[1:33:27] » Okay.
>> Before that,
[1:33:30] » I I'll own it. I don't have a problem
owning it. So, I'd like to remind this
[1:33:34] board that under state law, if you
approve the consent agenda, that means
[1:33:39] you are unanimously, well, you're under
individual votes, obviously, approving
[1:33:44] that payment, and that can come back to
haunt us. I just want you to know that's
[1:33:48] what the law says. That's the way
statute works. Once the consent agenda
[1:33:52] is done, you cannot backtrack.
>> So, here we are.
[1:33:58] » Here we are at 8:30.
I can run a motion to pass it as it is
[1:34:05] and if that fails
can run a motion to remove it. If it
[1:34:09] turns out that I'm the culpable party
that the fact that he got this money, I
[1:34:14] will own up to it and do whatever it
takes to make things right. But we're
[1:34:17] not going to sit here tonight and keep
going about it because that's pointless.
[1:34:22] » And it was
>> Is there any other comments at the
[1:34:25] session that you didn't have the right
to do that and you did it anyway?
[1:34:28] » That was your statement. Yes.
All right.
[1:34:32] » So, for the board, is there any more
board comments? And we'll run it. If it
[1:34:37] doesn't pass, it doesn't pass and we can
pull it. All I'm saying is if I screwed
[1:34:41] it up, it's me. So, let's keep moving.
>> Um,
[1:34:48] any other board comments then on the
motion to approve it as it was written
[1:34:52] and delivered to us today?
[1:34:57] » Okay. So we had the second.
[1:35:03] So on the approval of the consent agenda
for check register 717 to 820, invoice
[1:35:09] register 718 to 820.
Um
[1:35:16] with the money involved, we better have
a roll call, please. Clerk Burn.
[1:35:21] » Okay.
Clerk Burn. Yes.
[1:35:27] Trustee Monet,
>> no.
[1:35:30] » Trustee Demer,
>> yes.
[1:35:33] » Treasure Hops,
>> no.
[1:35:36] » Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes.
[1:35:41] [snorts]
>> Okay, so that carries as is 3 to two and
[1:35:46] for the clarity of the clarity sake.
>> Why do you get the vote?
[1:35:51] » Wow.
[1:35:55] because I have a vote in this matter.
>> No, you don't. This is a public
[1:35:59] interest.
>> I hear what you're saying.
[1:36:01] » You hear what I'm saying, but you don't
listen.
[1:36:04] » Philip, you have every right to come
after me. All I'm saying is I do not
[1:36:09] believe that everybody sitting here was
responsible as much as I was. If there's
[1:36:14] heat to come from this, bring it to me.
>> Tell us what you're going to do in the
[1:36:18] future. People really want to know
>> if he has determined Let's not break
[1:36:23] into a conversation that's mutually, you
know, exclusive of the other people one
[1:36:28] at a time. What I'm going to try and do
in the future now that he has confirmed
[1:36:32] that this person did not get checks
before
[1:36:36] would be that we will then have to
determine how we handle foyer requests.
[1:36:40] If we are paying the person who is doing
the research, that's a board decision.
[1:36:44] If the money needs to be repaid, I have
no problem repaying it myself.
[1:36:52] It stops with me, right?
>> Have a nice evening. Thank you for
[1:36:56] coming. I'll be at the state tomorrow.
[1:37:00] » Yep.
[1:37:03] » I'd like Okay.
>> I'd like to say one thing. Uh I've
[1:37:07] worked as a court baiff for the last 10
years. I spent a lot of time in court.
[1:37:13] And there'll be a law that says this and
this attorney will say the law means
[1:37:19] that and this attorney will mean this
law means another thing and they argue
[1:37:24] over the same law. They all have
different opinions and it takes a judge
[1:37:28] to make a decision. Uh just because
somebody quotes a law and says this is
[1:37:35] what it means isn't necessarily true. It
could be true but it may not be true.
[1:37:41] And I, like I said, I've spent hours and
hours and hours in court and I've heard
[1:37:47] all kinds of attorneys say the law means
this and all kinds of attorneys say the
[1:37:51] law means that and it takes a judge to
make a decision. And that's just my
[1:37:56] statement.
>> Okay, we're going to try and keep moving
[1:38:00] on here. The next thing on the agenda is
the approval of the past board meeting
[1:38:04] minutes
drafts from 7826 and 7:1526.
[1:38:10] Uh, these were handed out to the board
members last week, so we got them now.
[1:38:14] You had a chance to look at them. I'll
make a motion that we approve those
[1:38:18] minutes as reviewed.
>> Do we have a second?
[1:38:21] » Second.
>> Okay, a second by Hops.
[1:38:26] Uh, any further discussion from the
board members?
[1:38:32] Uh, hearing none. All those in favor of
approving those board minute meeting
[1:38:39] drafts
uh signify by saying I
[1:38:44] » I oppose the same.
Okay, that motion carries four to zero.
[1:38:52] Uh Mr. Monet already made some comments
but we are actually it's not on the
[1:38:57] agenda but we are two board comments.
Um
[1:39:03] the only comment I have at this point is
the um
[1:39:07] parks and the involvement in the grant
applications that we have which is for
[1:39:11] some huge sums of money is probably
being done right now and be done before
[1:39:17] September where we will get an initial
merit scoring ranking.
[1:39:23] Um, we've talked about this before
because it's also hooked into making
[1:39:26] sure that we take care of our parks in
case there's any spot inspections.
[1:39:31] I'm going to get more involved in that
as the time goes on. Um, until I see
[1:39:37] that ranking score, I'm going to act
like we need to do everything we can to
[1:39:41] make sure that we don't have a spot
inspection that somehow screws us out of
[1:39:46] the two grants that we wrote to improve
both parks.
[1:39:50] Other than that, I don't have a comment.
Anybody
[1:39:54] else has got one? Go ahead.
[1:39:59] Okay. Hearing none,
we're on to approving the meeting agenda
[1:40:06] with possible modifications or
additions.
[1:40:10] I have a couple and then God help us,
maybe we can get through this pretty
[1:40:14] quick
on the agenda itself. Number one is the
[1:40:18] interviews for the zoning admin. We
already took care of that. So the new
[1:40:23] number one would be the personal
handbook.
[1:40:27] I want to add as a number 10
[1:40:32] uh accepting my resignation as one of
the two Lion Township representatives on
[1:40:37] the Ross Common District Library Board
as number 11. uh that the board approval
[1:40:44] of Sheriad Ziggian
as one of the two Lion Township
[1:40:48] representatives on the Ross Common
District Library Board.
[1:40:54] That's the only additions I have. So
that brings me at least by my count up
[1:40:58] to number 10 and number 11. Are there
any other ones from the board members?
[1:41:07] » Okay, hearing none,
>> you have the hiring
[1:41:13] Yeah, it's on Well, the hiring actually
I had 12 and 13 for both of them. Yeah,
[1:41:19] that would be 12 and 13. Do them
individually. Sorry.
[1:41:22] » Or just one.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Which? Okay.
[1:41:26] » So, we'll do that as number 12 would be
the hiring.
[1:41:30] » Philip will be next time once she gets
that.
[1:41:33] » Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Once you told me
you already went through it, I kind of
[1:41:36] went
Okay. So, that would be number 12. So,
[1:41:41] we would have 12 in total. Has anybody
else on the board got anything they want
[1:41:44] to add?
[1:41:49] Okay. Uh,
so as modified, I'll make a motion we
[1:41:55] approve the agenda as modified. Do we
have a second?
[1:41:59] » Second.
>> Okay. Second by Hops. Any further
[1:42:02] discussion from the board?
[1:42:06] Okay. Hearing none. All in favor of
approving the agenda as modified signify
[1:42:12] by saying I.
>> I.
[1:42:13] » I.
>> All right.
[1:42:14] » Oppose the same. Motion carries four to
zero. That brings us to the agenda which
[1:42:22] will be number two. If you're looking at
the one that's here, [cough]
[1:42:25] discuss and approve the final version of
the personal handbook for employees.
[1:42:30] Uh, everybody had it. Everybody looked
at it. We got feedback.
[1:42:35] Uh my deputy ended up making a couple of
minor corrections in it and we're good
[1:42:39] to go. Um
I will make a motion to approve the
[1:42:45] final employee handbook as reviewed and
presented. We have it um changed and
[1:42:51] altered.
It's a matter of getting a second and
[1:42:55] moving forward at this point.
>> I'm going to second. Does I have a
[1:42:59] question?
[1:43:03] » Uh okay. sang it by Hops. Okay. For this
discussion,
[1:43:06] » where's the final draft?
>> She, I believe, gave it to you guys,
[1:43:12] emailed it to you guys.
>> No.
[1:43:14] » Well, I don't have it.
>> I don't have it either. The version, it
[1:43:18] was a combination of what you two had
added with the uh bereavement time
[1:43:24] » and the pay payoff. See,
>> she discussed it with us. We have a copy
[1:43:29] [clears throat] of
>> I know she put it in one. I thought she
[1:43:31] emailed it to you guys.
No, no email.
[1:43:36] » Okay, that were the that was the only
changes. I took out all of the
[1:43:40] additional italicized
>> stuff that I put in there. We're right
[1:43:43] back to the bare bones.
>> Um, as was given you guys last week.
[1:43:52] » Any other discussion from the board?
[1:43:58] Okay. Uh hearing none on a motion to
approve the final employee handbook as
[1:44:02] reviewed
and I'll have to find out why it didn't
[1:44:06] get emailed.
Can we have a roll call, please? Clerk
[1:44:09] burn.
>> Sure.
[1:44:12] » Trustee Detner.
>> No.
[1:44:16] I'd like to see the final draft before I
vote for it.
[1:44:19] » That's exactly what
>> Yeah, I I agree.
[1:44:22] Treasure H.
>> No. Okay. [clears throat]
[1:44:26] » Clerk P. No.
[1:44:30] Supervisor Bertra,
>> I'll say yes because I did see it, but
[1:44:34] apparently it didn't make it back to you
guys.
[1:44:37] » Okay, so that fails at one, two, three.
[1:44:45] Next is uh discuss and approve. Let me
make sure I got that.
[1:44:54] discuss and approve potentially approve
the cleaning service contract with ROC
[1:44:59] the core people that come and clean. We
have a new contract
[1:45:06] um
effect for one year commence August 1.
[1:45:13] I suspect that you gave copies of this
um to the board members or
[1:45:20] Mr. apps.
>> This not doesn't have my name on it.
[1:45:24] » I didn't I didn't get one.
>> I got one here that says I would say we
[1:45:29] just renew it.
>> Yeah. But
[1:45:33] » is that was that from you or
>> That's That's for me. Yeah.
[1:45:36] » All right.
>> But you got to sign it. And it's it's
[1:45:38] the same contract as last year. No
increase.
[1:45:40] » Yeah, I know. I got to sign it. I didn't
know if anybody
[1:45:43] » Yeah, there's no increase.
>> There's no increase. It's one year deal.
[1:45:46] Yep.
uh some of the issues on on the type of
[1:45:50] work they were doing. I believe we went
over that.
[1:45:54] » Yeah, they were addressed.
>> I'm okay with moving it along. I can
[1:45:59] make a motion and if it fails, that's
fine.
[1:46:05] So, [snorts] I'll make a motion that we
approve the new contract, which is only
[1:46:10] different in that it is the next year
starting August 1.
[1:46:14] um
with RO O R O C to do the cleaning of
[1:46:20] our office and bathrooms once a week. We
have a second on that.
[1:46:26] » Second. [clears throat]
[1:46:28] » Okay. A second from Hops. Any further
discussion?
[1:46:32] » Yeah, we the only discussion we had was
we had another lady offer to give us a
[1:46:40] price on things. It was drastically
higher number one, but we were told that
[1:46:48] uh maybe the treasurer would have a talk
with the cleaning crew on a Friday and
[1:46:53] that was done. They said they would
improve their service and that's all I
[1:46:57] needed to hear. [snorts]
Yeah. Plus, we we need to go back to
[1:47:00] cleaning when we have meetings like
this.
[1:47:04] We need to go back to the maintenance
crew cleaning this room because some of
[1:47:08] the stuff stays here and that was part
of the problem between those two. The
[1:47:12] discussion and that I think we got it
solved.
[1:47:14] » Mhm.
>> Um any further discussion?
[1:47:20] Okay. Can we have a roll call on that
please? Clerk per.
[1:47:25] » Sure.
>> Um Supervisor Bertrren.
[1:47:29] » Yes.
>> Uh Treasure Hub. Yes,
[1:47:34] » clerk P. Yes,
>> Trusty Dler.
[1:47:38] » Yes.
>> Okay, that carries at four to zero.
[1:47:43] Next is to discuss and vote on a draft
township purchasing policy presented and
[1:47:48] reviewed over the last week.
Uh, so I gave this to you guys last
[1:47:53] week. I really got no input on anything
changing.
[1:47:59] So, other than the italicized versions
of things in there that I pulled out in
[1:48:04] the final version,
um you've all had a chance to look at
[1:48:08] it.
As I've already explained, it is
[1:48:13] important that we have this in place
prior to grant scoring and during grant
[1:48:18] scoring as we we can submit form
paperwork to bolster our case.
[1:48:25] uh we have to be on the ball on spending
money, care, maintenance, and I think
[1:48:29] it's also good for us that we are
holding ourselves accountable
[1:48:33] with how we do business here.
That being said, I'll make a motion to
[1:48:38] approve the new township purchasing
policy as it was presented last week.
[1:48:46] Do we have a second?
Yeah, I'll second. Okay, we have a
[1:48:52] second from Clerk P. Any further
discussion from the board?
[1:49:00] Okay. Hearing none, again, could we have
a roll call in it because it certainly
[1:49:04] is about handling money.
>> Mhm.
[1:49:08] » Treasurer H.
>> Yes.
[1:49:10] » Clerk P. No.
>> Trustee Detmer.
[1:49:14] » No.
>> Supervisor Bertrren.
[1:49:18] » Yes. So, let me back. Okay. Monops.
Okay. So, that is stalled at 2:2 at the
[1:49:27] moment.
[1:49:31] Next,
I don't know if you guys I put it in
[1:49:35] your packets, but you should have
something that says hello MTA on the top
[1:49:38] of it here.
>> And there's a bunch of copies over
[1:49:41] there.
>> I asked our attorney to give us some
[1:49:44] explanation on um what we could do about
possible moratoriums. We've been talking
[1:49:49] about this for about a month. moratorium
on data centers. So the the copy that's
[1:49:56] supplied over there on the board has got
a picture of our attorney uh Michael Bea
[1:49:59] and Robert Thal. No great surprise, they
represent MTA, so they're already all
[1:50:04] over this thing. So he sent me that
document explaining and then he sent me
[1:50:09] a blank
um
[1:50:14] uh ordinance that we could use to for a
temporary moratorium on data centers.
[1:50:18] And what that really means is we're
saying we need more time to think about
[1:50:23] this, go over research, do data
gathering. It's just saying we're not
[1:50:28] going to we're going to say we're not
going to do anything until we get more
[1:50:30] information.
Uh so in the end it is a very simple
[1:50:36] ordinance
and all it is doing is declaring a
[1:50:40] moratorium
and that's uh the backstory on it. I can
[1:50:46] make a motion and see if this passes
tonight.
[1:50:50] So for the township of Lion, Ross Common
County, it will be ordinance number 68.
[1:50:56] Uh ordinance to enact a temporary
moratorum on data centers. It goes on,
[1:51:01] it's only two pages, goes on to explain
the purpose of it and it can take effect
[1:51:08] uh upon publication. So if we adopt it,
we could send it to the newspaper and
[1:51:13] once they put it in, we're good to go.
So, I'm going to make that motion. It
[1:51:19] doesn't have to happen, but it's a
pretty simple process. I'll make the
[1:51:23] motion that we approve
adopting ordinance number 68, which is
[1:51:28] titled an ordinance to enact a temporary
moratorium on data centers.
[1:51:34] Do we have a second for that?
>> I second.
[1:51:37] » Okay. So, we have a second by Demer.
Any further discussion from the board?
[1:51:46] Um,
>> okay. Hearing none.
[1:51:51] No, there is one more thing. My concern
in this is I don't think we can stop it
[1:51:55] on state land, but maybe some of you
this has crossed your mind. If you go
[1:52:00] west of Higgins Lake into the drainages
from Big Creek and Little Creek and you
[1:52:05] go down Morristown Road, there's water
all the way down through that state
[1:52:10] lane. If somebody decided to think about
putting something out there, we probably
[1:52:15] couldn't stop them. But this is the
first step in trying to be able to get
[1:52:19] control of some things.
So, [snorts] if there's no further
[1:52:23] discussion from the board,
all those in favor of adopting
[1:52:30] a new ordinance number 68 for Lion
Township signify by saying I.
[1:52:35] » I
oppose the same.
[1:52:40] Okay, that motion carries four to zero.
Next is to distribute
[1:52:47] and you should have this too. We talked
last week about veterans and I asked our
[1:52:52] attorney uh some questions about it. He
affirm he replied in the affirmative
[1:52:58] that we can purchase posters honoring
veterans
[1:53:03] uh especially a historical interest of
the township. We can do that. That was
[1:53:06] the main question. Can we do that
legally? and use the money for it. I
[1:53:11] think it was Mr. Monae had that
question. Yes, we can.
[1:53:15] Uh
he said he was a little less comfortable
[1:53:19] with donating money to the private
organization as far as uh Amvets, but he
[1:53:24] did say we could offer him a deal. We
could say we can have our maintenance
[1:53:28] crew come over there for a reduced rate
and do something. Um
[1:53:32] » I thought I asked for that to be
withdrawn.
[1:53:35] » You did?
>> You did. But I'm saying I ended up
[1:53:37] sending him this and he sent back both
answers, which is what you got there.
[1:53:41] So, as far as why it's on here, I I
wanted to make a motion that we pursue
[1:53:47] prices and more information on
purchasing acceptable material to honor
[1:53:52] my township veterans and family members.
No set price. Just move forward on this.
[1:53:57] See what we can find and what we can
come up with.
[1:54:01] So on that motion to pursue it. Uh do we
have a second?
[1:54:07] » No second.
>> Okay. A second from Hops. Is there any
[1:54:11] further discussion from the board?
[1:54:16] Hearing none. All those in favor signify
by saying I.
[1:54:20] » I. I.
>> I. Oppose. The same. That motion carries
[1:54:24] four to zero.
Next is to revisit a power plant grant.
[1:54:30] Uh this previous motion failed uh at one
to three with a board member missing.
[1:54:36] Still missing, but I'll I'll run it. Uh
the this was for a grant that we got for
[1:54:42] a camera.
I'll change the motion again to just
[1:54:46] pursuit. [clears throat] So they ended
up putting uh the old camera, moved the
[1:54:50] old camera to a different location. So,
we have an existing pole that has the
[1:54:55] hookup still on it. I asked security,
give me a number then just to buy the we
[1:55:01] can use the grant money to buy the
camera or defer most of the cost to just
[1:55:05] put a new one up on that pole because
all the wiring is already there. They
[1:55:09] have not answered me yet, but I just
sent it yesterday day before yesterday.
[1:55:14] Uh, I still am advocating that every
time we get PAR, every time we get a
[1:55:19] grant approval from the power plan, if
we don't use it, that reduces our
[1:55:23] chances in the future.
Uh, based on that and the fact that now
[1:55:28] we do have a pole with power up it or
with the connections on it, it's
[1:55:33] probably going to be less money than we
were talking before. So, I'm going to
[1:55:36] make a motion that we pursue a new cost
estimate to use the grant money
[1:55:41] dedicated for the new camera purchase
and install it on the existing Southwest
[1:55:46] Pole at Phoenix, now vacant because uh
the camera was moved and it has existing
[1:55:52] wiring already. Do we have a second on
that?
[1:55:58] » I'll second so we can get a vote and get
this off of the
[1:56:01] » Okay, second by Hops. Any further
discussion?
[1:56:07] Okay. Certainly money. Could we have a
roll call then for that as stated to use
[1:56:12] the grant money to buy the new camera?
>> Let me ask one question before we get to
[1:56:16] that. Um the motion was to pursue an
estimate. I'm sorry I didn't say that.
[1:56:23] » That's all we're talking. So there is no
money involved yet.
[1:56:26] » No, no money. It's if he gives us a
price, we could certainly talk look at
[1:56:30] it, but I haven't got one yet. Well,
then I don't think we need a roll call
[1:56:35] vote to you.
>> You're right. How about we switch it to
[1:56:41] no further discussion from the board?
>> Mhm.
[1:56:45] » Okay. Then all those in favor of
pursuing a new estimate to use that
[1:56:49] grant money signify
by saying I.
[1:56:53] » I.
>> That would be I. That would be me
[1:56:57] and you. All those opposed the same.
>> No.
[1:57:00] » No.
>> Okay. That one's two to two still. Wow,
[1:57:04] that could be a record.
Keeps coming up two to two.
[1:57:11] Uh,
revisit the clearing the brush along the
[1:57:14] West Higgins Lake Drive at the cemetery.
Mr. Hops and I have talked about this. I
[1:57:19] I wanted to add um in the before we had
no second, no motion, no discussion.
[1:57:26] Uh the cemetery is included in the parks
and wreck fund which is a millillage
[1:57:32] intended to be used for improvements.
Last year we spent over $15,000 chasing
[1:57:38] oak wilt around and it worked great and
we got rid of a lot of it and we used
[1:57:42] park and wreck money for that. Uh so the
cost of this would be it's $3,000 $3,15.
[1:57:51] Uh Mr. Mr. Hops and I were talking about
that we if we remember the fact that we
[1:57:55] have $15,000 we didn't spend. There is
money to do this and for the public it's
[1:58:00] to clear a stretch
from the cemetery driveway
[1:58:06] alongside where the water pump house is
so that you can actually see the back
[1:58:09] half of that cemetery from the road. And
of course we know Bruce does a great
[1:58:13] job, but they would take the underbrush
out, leave the trees so you can see
[1:58:18] through there.
Um,
[1:58:22] so the reason I brought it up again is
because that $15,000 we we don't have to
[1:58:28] use this year, is there? There's
probably money to do this. No problem.
[1:58:32] Again, it's a millage. We're supposed to
spend this money for improvements.
[1:58:37] So, I'll run it by again. Uh, I'll make
a motion that we approve the contract
[1:58:41] for the brush clearing at the cemetery
for a cost of $3,15
[1:58:46] from Land Works LLC. So, do we have a
second on that tonight?
[1:58:54] I will second for discussion.
>> Okay. And then further discussion. I
[1:58:58] already told you where I'm at on it.
>> And I told you where I'm at. I said, why
[1:59:03] don't we wait till next year?
>> I hear you. Uh, any further discussion
[1:59:07] from the board? I'd rather see trees
than tombstones.
[1:59:14] Oh, okay. Took me a while to figure out
where you're going with that. Uh, any
[1:59:19] other discussion from the board.
[1:59:23] Okay. So, that is money. Uh, if we do a
quick roll call here, we can move right
[1:59:29] out of this one.
>> Okay. Treasure Hut.
[1:59:32] » No.
>> Trusty Demer.
[1:59:35] » No.
>> Clerk P. No.
[1:59:39] » Okay.
>> Supervisor Bertrren.
[1:59:41] » Yes. So, this is uh now that we actually
discussed it,
[1:59:46] » I think it's a great idea to park it
till next year.
[1:59:51] Again, uh number eight is revisit health
and safety committee. When we talked
[1:59:55] about this before,
uh I didn't I ended up calling Paul
[2:00:00] Olsson, our insurance company
rep. Uh he said that one of the things
[2:00:05] that it it might be worth considering to
have a committee is that you could have
[2:00:10] the committee do an inventory of stuff.
Uh and it would be if for no other
[2:00:15] reason than if there was ever any
insurance claims on theft or fire. You
[2:00:19] might have a better idea. I I get what
he's saying.
[2:00:24] But again, this is one of those ones
that either we weren't all here or it
[2:00:28] didn't get a second. So I'm going to run
it by again. I'll make a motion that the
[2:00:32] board create a health and safety
committee for the purpose of building
[2:00:35] and property walkthrough inspections and
input.
[2:00:39] Do we have a second?
>> I'll second for sacred discussion.
[2:00:43] » Okay.
Further discussion being go to
[2:00:48] buildings, you look around, make sure
everything you don't have gas cans in
[2:00:52] the library, stuff like that. Uh but
then also the addition inventorying what
[2:00:58] we had is probably not a bad idea.
Uh any other
[2:01:02] » I just don't I don't see the reason for
it. I I don't understand. We haven't had
[2:01:08] an issue so far. It just seems like uh
why we need a health and safety
[2:01:13] committee is is beyond me.
>> Understood. Every place I ever worked,
[2:01:19] we had one. That's you know, but we have
a difference of opinion.
[2:01:23] » Uh any other comment from the board?
[2:01:28] Okay. Hearing none.
Let me back that up. All those in
[2:01:35] favor of a motion to create a health and
safety committee for those purposes
[2:01:39] signify by saying I.
>> That would be me.
[2:01:44] » And oppose the same.
>> No.
[2:01:47] » Okay. So that motion fails at one four.
Number nine. Accepting a resignation.
[2:01:54] And I'm going to make a board a motion
that the board accept my resignation as
[2:01:57] Lion [clears throat] Township
representative from the Ross Common
[2:02:01] District Library Board immediately. We
have two slots. I'm in one. Nancy and
[2:02:09] I'm going to screw her name up. Not even
going to try. Ny's in the other one. I'm
[2:02:15] going to resign. Uh and I would like you
to accept my resignation.
[2:02:21] Um, so on that motion to accept it, do I
have a second?
[2:02:29] » Okay. And any further discussion from
the board
[2:02:36] hearing? None. And the position itself
had money. I never took money, but we
[2:02:43] should do a roll call.
>> Okay. Trusty Dmer.
[2:02:48] » Yes.
Cliff Per, yes.
[2:02:53] Fisher Hunt,
>> yes.
[2:02:56] » Supervisor Bertrren,
>> yes. Thank you, gentlemen.
[2:03:01] Uh, so that motion carries four to zero.
Number 10 is to approve
[2:03:05] [cough and clears throat]
[snorts] an appointment of uh for that
[2:03:09] position. So, I'll make a motion. Sherry
Edzigian has graciously
[2:03:15] um offered to fill that position
and she is pretty tuned in to the
[2:03:20] library and I think it's a great fit
and I couldn't be more happy that you're
[2:03:27] willing to do it actually.
>> Well, you're you're a better fit than I
[2:03:31] was there for different reasons. We got
that resolved. Okay. So, I'm going to
[2:03:36] make a motion that the board approve the
appointment of Sherry Ed Ziggy into the
[2:03:39] open position on the Ross Common
District Library Board as the a as a
[2:03:44] line representative effective
immediately.
[2:03:49] Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[2:03:53] » Okay.
Any further discussion? I do have some
[2:03:57] Mr. Monae has some opinions about this.
Our attorney has already told us that we
[2:04:02] don't need to submit paperwork. If you
want to quit, you can quit. We can
[2:04:06] appoint people. They need to be sworn
in. He has a different opinion. And God
[2:04:11] bless America. Uh I'm comfortable with
doing this this way.
[2:04:17] Any other discussion from the board?
[2:04:22] Okay. And there is potentially money
involved. So if we could do a roll call,
[2:04:26] please.
>> Clerk Burn. Yes. Treasure Hunt.
[2:04:30] » Yes.
Supervisor Bertrram.
[2:04:35] » Yes.
>> And trustees, whatever your name is on
[2:04:39] their death.
>> Yes.
[2:04:42] » Okay. Motion carries four to zero. Thank
you very much, Sherry. Welcome aboard. I
[2:04:48] know you're going to do a great job and
you're going to enjoy those meetings.
[2:04:52] » And remember this, they got a million
dollar budget.
[2:04:57] So when they start pinching pennies, you
get in there and save. Come
[2:05:01] » on. That means we need to up the rent
here.
[2:05:04] » Well, I don't know about that. Anyway,
uh number 11. Uh okay, I'm going to
[2:05:09] scratch 11. I had that as Phillip. So, I
will call number 11.
[2:05:16] Um as recommended by Fire Chief Fay.
I'll make a motion that the board
[2:05:20] approve the hiring of Brianna McGillan.
Is that correct?
[2:05:25] As an [clears throat] addition to the
Line Township Fire Department,
[2:05:29] » not EMS yet.
joining the department.
[2:05:34] » Okay.
>> So, as stated, fire to the Lion Township
[2:05:38] Fire Department.
>> Do we have a second for that?
[2:05:42] » Second.
>> Okay. A second by Demmer. Any further
[2:05:46] discussion from the board?
>> Just a quick question. She's at Cam
[2:05:50] Gring currently.
>> Yes.
[2:05:53] » What is she?
[2:05:59] » She's a guardsman. Logistics.
>> Logistics.
[2:06:02] » She's a
[2:06:07] sergeant.
>> Okay.
[2:06:10] Just curious.
>> I saw it on her resume.
[2:06:14] [clears throat]
>> Well, she
[2:06:18] Okay.
>> The application was certainly fine and
[2:06:21] we're certainly looking for people. So,
you're doing something right if they're
[2:06:24] coming out of the woodwork and trying to
get in. Appreciate that.
[2:06:29] Um,
[2:06:34] there's money. We got to roll call that,
too.
[2:06:36] » We got to make a motion first, huh?
>> I got a second from Demmer.
[2:06:40] » Oh, you did. The silent man. Okay.
>> And then discussion. Well, we kind of
[2:06:44] blew through discussion unless somebody
else has got no.
[2:06:52] » Okay. So,
treasure hubs.
[2:06:56] » Yes.
Trusty Demer.
[2:06:59] » Yes. [snorts]
>> Clerk P. Yes.
[2:07:03] And Supervisor Bertram.
>> Yes. So that motion carries four to
[2:07:08] zero. And tell her welcome aboard.
[2:07:13] » Okay. Unless I miss something.
>> That's it.
[2:07:16] » That's the end of the agenda. So getting
into announcements.
[2:07:21] Uh the cancer sucks tournament
is going to be in September. There's
[2:07:26] paperwork over there on the desk about
it if you'd like to get in involved or
[2:07:31] make donations.
Excuse me. Certainly appreciated. It's a
[2:07:35] good cause. Great baseball teams come
from all over the state to play that
[2:07:39] weekend and you'll see some great
baseball.
[2:07:44] Uh
so I just got the paperwork on that.
[2:07:48] You're going to start seeing it on our
bulletin boards or getting pushed on
[2:07:51] Facebook.
the fish sculpture at Phoenix Park.
[2:07:58] Two things I'm going to say now. I ended
up uh doing some emergency spending. The
[2:08:03] maintenance crew uh declined to try and
deal with it because of the size of the
[2:08:09] mounting post. I ended up finding uh
actually Nick Sergeant was willing to
[2:08:16] uh use a process to put a pole in
similar to a light pole, which was the
[2:08:21] only thing that made sense to me and he
was the only one willing to do it and we
[2:08:25] got to get this thing up because the
kiosks
[2:08:29] with the map of all these water spots in
Roscommen County are here.
[2:08:34] Um, so I did it'll come out probably in
the next consent agenda that uh that
[2:08:40] would be under $1,500 for him to come
out and put that poll in and also put
[2:08:45] the attachment on the top that I did
that without board approval. And also
[2:08:50] for Martin Schelby
when the pole was up there, the huge
[2:08:55] pine tree there, a couple branches
needed to be trimmed off the side so
[2:08:58] that we can get a good visual on the
fish hanging there within what is going
[2:09:03] to be a photo op at the lake in the
background. Uh he came in and did that
[2:09:08] again was willing to do it. Came two
days later. Uh I don't know what that
[2:09:13] estimate would be. I don't think it's
going to be more than 400 bucks.
[2:09:17] Um those things needed to be done. Uh
the community foundation uh the lady was
[2:09:23] here
Wednesday, Monday.
[2:09:27] This thing needs to get done and there's
one Ross Common Township is still
[2:09:31] screwing around with theirs too. Last
but not least, uh another grant from
[2:09:39] Michigan State
Clean Lakes Clean Water Demonstrations.
[2:09:44] We did one already at Samoset. There's a
new sign at Samoset with a brush hanging
[2:09:48] there and some tools.
Uh it will be at uh on 9526
[2:09:54] Saturday 11:00 Phoenix at 12:15.
That will be put on by Laura Piaowski,
[2:10:02] one of the parks and recck members and
her son. Uh we're doing them on the
[2:10:06] weekend because we get photos with
people. That's what the grantees want to
[2:10:11] see. That keeps the money flowing.
I do not have any other announcements. I
[2:10:17] don't know if any of you gentlemen do.
I'd
[2:10:22] » like to announce that I just stand up
because my back hurts from time to time.
[2:10:25] So, don't be alarmed.
>> Yeah, every now and then you have to
[2:10:29] remind everybody when I Okay, that
brings us to public comment.
[2:10:35] So, we have a lot of people here. We're
certainly going to try and do the five
[2:10:39] minutes. Um, you know,
>> I guess if you get up first, you're
[2:10:46] first, right?
>> Well, I assumed you wanted me moved into
[2:10:49] this position. Thank you, Supervisor,
and members of the board. I'm going to
[2:10:53] address two issues with one one problem
that you may have, and that has to do
[2:10:59] with Hula. Uh, unfortunately or
fortunately, uh,
[2:11:04] » Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
[2:11:05] » Some of these people don't know who you
are.
[2:11:07] » Yeah. I'm Tim Poxton, 11995 Military
Road, Ross Common, Michigan. And again,
[2:11:14] thank you uh to the board. Uh
fortunately, the last unfortunately the
[2:11:18] last meeting I attended with the ULA, I
heard some things that really disturbed
[2:11:22] me. I think I wasn't the only one that
was disturbed by some of the things that
[2:11:25] we heard. Number one, they don't believe
they report to you at all. They believe
[2:11:30] they're independent. I believe that
>> who are we talking about?
[2:11:33] » Huga board. Higgins Lake Utility. Okay.
Hugans Lake Utility Authority. I think
[2:11:38] you got an email from me as a matter of
fact.
[2:11:40] » Yes, I did.
>> And I believe that they do report to you
[2:11:44] any board that's appointed by a a
township, city or anything else. And I
[2:11:48] worked in city government for a number
of years and we had boards and those
[2:11:52] boards could create problems for us if
we didn't oversee them. Matter of fact,
[2:11:56] they were were lawsuits that uh ended up
at the city's problem. So, I believe
[2:12:01] Lion Township and Beaver Creek have
elected officials have to oversee it and
[2:12:06] that they have to provide you with
reports. I saw none no reports tonight
[2:12:11] on the table or given uh orally.
Um they believe they're an independent
[2:12:18] uh practically
uh able to do anything they want to was
[2:12:23] my impression. I could be wrong about
that. Second issue I have with the hula
[2:12:27] board is that they are going to violate
state law Michigan uh MCL Michigan
[2:12:32] compile law 141.121
[2:12:37] by spreading quarterly fees on the other
users of the system when a uh part of
[2:12:44] that system is one of the users or all a
number of users don't pay their
[2:12:49] quarterly fee. I believe that's a
violation of state law. They cannot
[2:12:54] spread any of that out. They have to uh
uh absorb those losses until the money
[2:13:00] is collected through either um attached
to to the tax assessment which all house
[2:13:07] buildings over there have a U tax number
and or the sale of that particular
[2:13:14] property uh
>> and [snorts] then the new user or the
[2:13:17] old user whatever they agree to will pay
back those fees. They should not fall in
[2:13:22] any form one penny on any other owner.
And I'm willing to answer any questions
[2:13:27] if supervisor would allow that. If you
have any questions.
[2:13:30] » Uh questions. Well, other than if you
send me details, this has gone to our
[2:13:35] attorney.
>> Yeah.
[2:13:36] » If you send me details, I do know we
talked about uh some of this before. We
[2:13:43] are supposed to be getting reports from
the two Lion Township representatives,
[2:13:48] but we just now installed two new
people. Um, I don't know that I've ever
[2:13:53] asked them if they're supposed to come,
but I will. Again, I I'm not asking you
[2:13:59] that they come. I'm asking you that they
provide a report to this elected body.
[2:14:03] Okay?
>> And uh, also, I should have mentioned
[2:14:06] it. I had it in my notes. I didn't
mention it. There may also be an issue
[2:14:10] of the Michigan Constitution violation
of the Headley amendment by hiding taxes
[2:14:15] in a uh collected fee. Uh that one I'm
not as certain on because I couldn't get
[2:14:20] all the research I needed for all that
one. But thank you, Super.
[2:14:23] » If you put it in an email, I can
>> I think I think I did send you the email
[2:14:27] with all with those two complaints in
it, didn't I?
[2:14:31] » If you did, it got buried in whatever
happened in the last week and a half.
[2:14:36] » Yeah. And you got it about a week ago, I
believe.
[2:14:38] » Let me look. And if I didn't, I'll uh
let me see if I can find it.
[2:14:44] » Okay. Thank you, supervisor and board,
for your time.
[2:14:46] » Well, thank you for your comments.
Okay. Let's start on this side. If
[2:14:51] somebody Well, let's just see. Has
anybody got something they want to say?
[2:14:55] And I'm sorry. You sat down and your
head was lower.
[2:15:01] This gentleman is here and I should have
got to you a long time ago.
[2:15:05] » Oh, that's okay.
>> Well, it's not okay. You were behind. I
[2:15:09] didn't see you.
>> So, again, what what is your purpose in
[2:15:13] being here? Because
>> Yeah. So, my name is Mo. I'm from a
[2:15:16] small business administration. Uh,
thanks so much for the opportunity. The
[2:15:20] president and the governor declared uh
the Roscomment to be a disaster area
[2:15:24] because of the storm that happened back
in April the 10th through the 21st.
[2:15:31] » The ice storm.
>> Yeah, the rainstorm. Yeah.
[2:15:34] » Well, there was a ice storm and then the
flooding.
[2:15:36] » Yeah. So, this is specifically for the
flooding.
[2:15:39] » Oh, for the flooding.
>> Flooding. Yeah. April the 10th through
[2:15:44] the 21st.
>> Okay. Because I And what Mr. Trump did.
[2:15:49] Roscom County is not in there for the
flooding.
[2:15:52] » Uh, yes, it's actually in there. Roscom,
>> you had you had any conversations with
[2:15:57] Vanessa Barner about any of that?
>> Yes.
[2:16:00] » Yeah, we've been talking to I actually
emailed you and the clerk I think uh two
[2:16:04] weeks ago was at your
>> Keep going because that was
[2:16:07] conversations with her. I didn't think
we were in on the FEMA money for the
[2:16:11] flooding.
>> Yeah, actually that's one of the reason
[2:16:14] I'm here. Actually, FEMA and SBA will be
in Hton Lake, Michigan, uh at St. John's
[2:16:20] Lutheran Church this coming weekend, uh
Thursday through Monday.
[2:16:26] Uh let me just check the hours real
quick.
[2:16:33] I believe it's from uh 8:00 until 6:00
p.m. So, if you guys know anyone that
[2:16:39] been affected by the storm, um they can
go to the disaster recovery center. I
[2:16:44] also have a number of brochures here
that I can share with you and with the
[2:16:48] town. So, any businesses, nonprofits,
homeowners who got affected by the
[2:16:52] storm, they can apply for that resource
>> that including municipalities.
[2:16:57] » Correct. Yes.
>> Wow. This is completely contrary to what
[2:17:00] was told before.
>> Yeah, I think the one that you're
[2:17:03] talking about is is the ice storm. I I
don't think that got approved.
[2:17:08] » Well, we we just submitted $14,000 worth
of bills on the ice storm to the state
[2:17:13] of Michigan.
>> Okay.
[2:17:15] » But the FEMA the money that FEMA that
President Trump had cut loose,
[2:17:20] it didn't say Roscom County on the
thing. And I asked Vanessa why that was.
[2:17:27] So, I'm not here because of FEMA. That
could be maybe I can talk to Vanessa as
[2:17:32] well to explain that further, but I'm
representing SBA. Just kind of an FYI.
[2:17:37] » Okay. All right. Yeah, if you got
something, I'm looking at it.
[2:17:40] » Yeah.
>> But yeah, that's the reason I'm here.
[2:17:43] And if you have any question [laughter]
[2:17:48] I saw you again, I probably would have
did something.
[2:17:50] » Thank you so much.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you, sir.
[2:17:55] » You're a patient man.
[2:18:01] a few.
[2:18:04] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. But I'm not uh you know he's Go
[2:18:08] ahead. Go ahead. If he wants to answer,
he certainly can.
[2:18:11] » What's his name again?
>> I believe there's a couple who will
[2:18:15] print them up.
>> There may be a couple people who have a
[2:18:18] question. If you'd like to entertain
answering one now,
[2:18:22] » I don't think he's here yet.
If you want to entertain answering a
[2:18:27] couple questions,
>> go ahead and sit down.
[2:18:30] » Specifically, if somebody has
flooded basement or we had a bunch of
[2:18:36] problems up on the north side where the
road got washed out, they would show up
[2:18:42] down at St. John. Is that right? And
they could fill out. And do you have any
[2:18:47] idea how much in funds are available for
Rock County? Uh there's any specific
[2:18:53] price
[2:18:56] I'll definitely
[2:19:02] » Okay. And as far as I mean what kind
they have to prove cost they come in do
[2:19:08] they have to have insurance claims or do
they insurance just fail you know
[2:19:14] probably have clean up cost
walls whatever
[2:19:19] everything really. Uh so if you have
insurance you can't get
[2:19:24] so it has to be uninsured
[2:19:34] and so all that will be discussed at St.
John, they will give they will give
[2:19:38] people help here how to figure that out.
Is that correct?
[2:19:42] And is there a time on this?
[clears throat]
[2:19:45] So
that so 31st August 31st
[2:19:57] August 31st of 2026.
>> Okay.
[2:20:04] » Great. So we just show up
[2:20:09] » similar to these meetings
>> time limit. I mean time update.
[2:20:16] » Uh yes open.
[2:20:25] » Okay. So if you can leave me something
uh we can get it up on Facebook for the
[2:20:30] township.
>> Okay. I'll uh
[2:20:35] » and we can make copies for it, man.
>> Well, if Yeah. I don't know. I have to
[2:20:42] get a hold of Vanessa and figure out
where the disconnect was there.
[2:20:50] » Yeah. [snorts] Um Yeah, because we were
trying to figure out how Ross Common
[2:20:54] County didn't get included in that.
But All right. Well, I appreciate that.
[2:21:00] Thank you very much, sir.
Sorry about you having to wait that
[2:21:05] long.
[2:21:11] [laughter]
[2:21:13] » It's like our attorney says, I'm not
surprised at anything that happens in
[2:21:16] Lion Township.
Uh, anybody else got a com or a comment,
[2:21:21] something they want to say before we go
ahead, sir.
[2:21:25] » Oh, this is round two for you.
>> Well, that was a question earlier.
[2:21:28] » Oh, okay. or it was a comment, but um
Jim McCarthy 245 Sam
[2:21:35] um I already thanked you guys, so I was
going to start out with that. Um
[2:21:40] I thought I had a lot to say, but really
there's not a lot to say because I'm not
[2:21:44] here to change anybody's opinion. I
don't I don't think I can. Um I'm really
[2:21:49] going to just try to appeal to what I
hope is a universal sense of of wrong
[2:21:53] and right. Um, and even to trustee
Demer's point of of how the law is
[2:21:58] interpreted in court, that's we'll try
to even simpl it down. I mean, like,
[2:22:01] let's just say, for example, I'm speedy.
If I'm 1 mile an hour, I'm about 30
[2:22:06] miles an hour. Breaking the law, I'm
wrong. We can all argue it what the
[2:22:11] reason was or whatever. The enforcement,
that's really discretionary, right?
[2:22:16] We've all been given that break maybe or
I did meet somebody earlier this week
[2:22:21] who has never been pulled over. But uh
um yeah, exactly right. Um but you know
[2:22:28] 5 miles an hour over the speed limit on
the interstate is looked at differently
[2:22:32] enforcement wise than say 5 miles an
hour over the speed limit in a school
[2:22:36] zone.
I think what I'm going to ask of the
[2:22:42] board really is just to take a look at
our ordinance, ordinance 62 closely.
[2:22:49] I'm obviously laser focused on on Bismar
and I would ask that we look at the
[2:22:55] procedures from start to finish to
include the permitting procedure to see
[2:23:01] if things were done properly.
[2:23:07] accepting
minor discretions [snorts]
[2:23:12] to the gentleman's point earlier about
his granddaughter sunbathing
[2:23:17] be outstanding if we could just say yeah
just like the 5 miles and over on on the
[2:23:23] interstate
but when somebody goes 30 miles an hour
[2:23:28] through this through the school zone
and does something destroys something
[2:23:34] hits a kid or something like that and I
guarantee you Everybody's going to start
[2:23:38] looking at every mile an hour over that.
[2:23:44] I don't care what side of the argument
you're on. I think we can all agree that
[2:23:48] what happened on Bismar or at Bismar's
dock on the 2nd of July [snorts]
[2:23:55] was a tragedy, an egregious violation of
many things.
[2:24:00] I don't think we want to see that happen
again. I do appreciate Bruce doing the
[2:24:04] investigating he has.
I know that like a long time ago I was
[2:24:10] told if you have a hard time figuring
out between wrong and right,
[2:24:15] usually the right thing to do is the
harder thing to do.
[2:24:21] Sometimes enforcing those ordinances,
abiding by law
[2:24:28] is the hard thing to do. Usually it is.
It's a lot easier just to go speeding
[2:24:32] down the road knowing that you're
probably not going to get pulled over.
[2:24:40] About 5 years ago now, we purchased our
retirement home right here, 245 Samo.
[2:24:49] The 33 years prior to that, I spent all
over the world
[2:24:54] defending what I hope or doing, fighting
the good fight, I think, and defending
[2:24:58] our way of life. I don't say that to be
pretentious or to ask for special
[2:25:03] treatment or anything like that. I say
it to let you know that during that
[2:25:07] time, I was able to come back to this
home state of Michigan [snorts] and
[2:25:12] actually look down at Higgins Lake from
above and see that yes, that is the most
[2:25:17] beautiful lake in this state. And my
god, that's a paradise down there, isn't
[2:25:20] it? [snorts]
[2:25:24] What I've seen in the four years, four
summers that we've been here
[2:25:32] is that it [snorts] wasn't that paradise
of thought. At best, it's it's a Dr.
[2:25:36] Seuss book of nichees putting stars on
their bellies and taking them off and
[2:25:40] getting confused on who's who.
At worst, it's the West Bank. But
[2:25:45] generationally, we don't even know why
we hate each other. We just know that
[2:25:48] the ones before us did.
I'm gonna ask that you guys take a
[2:25:53] little close look at what happened on
Bismar
[2:25:58] and instead of waiting for one more
incident,
[2:26:01] I'm gonna ask you to take a vote just
like the ordinance says you can at any
[2:26:04] time on revoking the permit.
And then because
[2:26:09] the sad irony of this whole thing is
that we actually we I'm talking about me
[2:26:14] and my wife
were advocates for the public and for
[2:26:18] the public access there. The first thing
we started doing, we showed up as we we
[2:26:22] saw that public access and the erosion
and the damage that's going on and the
[2:26:26] cobblestones that were dangerous for
anybody to walk down. My wife started
[2:26:30] writing letters. She started out with
the HLPOA because we didn't know who
[2:26:33] else and their riparian committee. She
tried with the road commission. this
[2:26:37] year, even prior to the structure being
built that's there,
[2:26:43] she contacted all the way up the state
legislatores, even the attorney general,
[2:26:47] and then she started getting calls from
the road commission, like we're going to
[2:26:51] do something.
I went out there and tried to help the
[2:26:56] young man that was working on the stairs
that Samuel said. I'm the one that said,
[2:27:00] "You might want to put a railing there
to try to get this thing into code. you
[2:27:05] might want to get a permit
so that people can safely go down here.
[2:27:11] So, I'm [clears throat] going to ask for
that, a vote on it, the replication of
[2:27:15] its permit,
and then I urge the board to work with
[2:27:21] Eagle, the county, the road commission,
and come up with a solution to repair
[2:27:27] that shoreline.
Give it a couple of years, whatever the
[2:27:32] profession, the people know, okay, I'm
done. But the people know or the
[2:27:36] professionals say we might need it might
be three years, I don't know. Restore
[2:27:39] that shoreline, put in a stair access
that [snorts] is safe and will not
[2:27:45] create all that erosion. Fix it. Thank
you for your time.
[2:27:50] » Thank you for your comments, sir.
Anybody else got something they want to
[2:27:54] say tonight?
Come on up, Phil.
[2:28:08] Uh, Phil Robinson. I'm a resident uh on
West Higgins Lake Drive. Um, not very
[2:28:16] far from Samoset.
I created a handout that I put at the
[2:28:20] table and passed some around today. Um,
I spent a little bit of time recently
[2:28:25] trying to understand what's going on
down there because having walked down
[2:28:30] there many, many times, I've seen
changes take place and it's been hard to
[2:28:35] get straight information as to what
rights people have and what people are
[2:28:39] not allowed to do because that basically
everything on the side of the road on
[2:28:45] Samet that's toward the lake is part of
a county easement.
[2:28:49] And that easement uh uh comes with
certain um public rights. It also comes
[2:28:55] with certain obligations. It's been a
little bit confiscated because uh
[2:29:00] there's been some judgments made in
lawsuits in the past years that have
[2:29:04] created certain specific stipulations.
Um, I've gotten the impression in recent
[2:29:10] years that some of the um, alterations
that have taken place on the easement
[2:29:15] across from the private properties
seemed at least in some part designed to
[2:29:19] create the impression that that easement
is actually part of their property even
[2:29:23] though there's a road between them and
the lake. And we've seen this recently,
[2:29:28] especially when many signs are popping
up um saying private property, no
[2:29:34] trespassing,
people are doing all kinds of
[2:29:37] improvements,
and it's hard to get information about
[2:29:40] what's really going on. So, I decided to
talk to a couple people and then I spoke
[2:29:44] with staff at the road commission uh
this week and including the the road
[2:29:50] commission manager trying to get an
understanding of what they plan to do
[2:29:56] and what obligations uh they have to
make sure that the public have access to
[2:30:02] this. If you look through the document,
um, I characterized the discussions that
[2:30:07] I had with them and some of them were
surprising because not because they're
[2:30:11] unreasonable, but because I didn't
understand how that thing operated. And
[2:30:16] as it turns out, that whole belt along
there between the lake and the road,
[2:30:21] with the exception of the road ends,
which have their own special rules, um,
[2:30:25] those um, areas are actually public
access areas. And even the improvements
[2:30:32] that are put there by permit are allowed
to be used by the public. So if you got
[2:30:37] there and you you build a sidewalk and
you build a patio and you make a really
[2:30:41] beautiful place right there, that
doesn't mean that now you own that
[2:30:45] property. In fact, the public is allowed
to utilize any of those things that are
[2:30:50] put in place. And that was made very
clear to me by um um Roger Saxton, who's
[2:30:56] the manager. Uh, I understand after
speaking with the road commission that
[2:31:01] they're upping their game a little bit
in terms of how to manage those access
[2:31:06] conflicts on that thing on that piece of
property and hopefully they'll do a
[2:31:12] better job. Uh, the day after I spoke I
spoke with them yesterday actually and
[2:31:17] today I went down Samet and lo and
behold a lot of those private no
[2:31:24] trespassing signs are gone.
And uh but there's still others that
[2:31:29] remain and there's other other artifacts
that or private property that were
[2:31:34] stashed on that piece of property that
have been relocated. Either that or
[2:31:37] somebody left for the weekend or left
for the week. So I think you're going to
[2:31:42] see some changes down there because the
public has a a right to actually picnic
[2:31:47] on that property. They have a right to
park on that property. And I'm just
[2:31:52] repeating to me repeating what I've been
told by people who I'm trusting would
[2:31:58] know and would probably wouldn't stick
their neck out to say that if they
[2:32:02] didn't have good reason to do so. So if
people have any questions about who has
[2:32:07] a right to do what there, I wouldn't
hesitate to take those issues directly
[2:32:12] to the road commission and talk to
people like the manager and they can
[2:32:17] explain to you uh in the context of
other lawsuits that have been involved
[2:32:20] with property conflicts there and also
their knowledge about what the general
[2:32:26] policies are about the county's
managerial role in easement properties.
[2:32:31] you can come away with a lot better
idea.
[2:32:34] Many of the things that have been put in
there like these sidewalks and stonework
[2:32:39] and whatnot, even gardens and plantings,
um I'm not saying specifically which
[2:32:44] ones, but you know, there've been uh
most of them I think have been given
[2:32:49] permits.
Uh but there are some that are not
[2:32:53] permitted and uh apparently they're in
the process of doing a little bit of
[2:32:57] cleanup. And it's like a lot of
administrative things. Sometimes time
[2:33:00] goes by and we lose track of, you know,
what the regulations are and there's a
[2:33:05] lazy fair compliance uh program that
lets things kind of drift off in a
[2:33:11] different direction. Quite frankly, just
walking down there today in the absence
[2:33:14] of those signs and some of that junk on
those properties made it a much more
[2:33:18] pleasant walk. Uh rather than uh little
and there's still some little tiny
[2:33:24] fences even at the water's edge to
discourage the public from from um
[2:33:29] entering that property with the
impression that that's actually
[2:33:33] connected to a property across the
street and they have no right to be
[2:33:36] there.
>> All right, go ahead. Wrap it up if you
[2:33:38] can. Well, I I'll wrap it up like that
because uh I think most of everything
[2:33:43] else that I learned is in that document
that I passed around. It's a three-page
[2:33:47] document and uh I hope you'll read it
and if you have questions uh before we
[2:33:52] get, you know, down the road and
graduate into conflicts on that property
[2:33:57] uh access for the public, maybe we can
avoid that by educating the public and
[2:34:02] the public can help educate itself about
what their rights are as property owners
[2:34:06] and what the public's rights are as
well. So, it's it's changing. The the
[2:34:11] acknowledgement of those changes are
probably going to become more apparent
[2:34:14] as time goes by here. All right. Thank
you, sir.
[2:34:20] Okay. Any other public comments from the
crowd this evening?
[2:34:39] It's getting late. Trying to make it
short and sweet. My name is Susan
[2:34:44] Lindamoon. I'm at 145 Samoset.
Um, when I when Mr. Robinson came in
[2:34:52] today, he handed me this uh brochure
pamphlet or whatever his opinions were.
[2:34:59] He made a phone call and someone told
him maybe this or maybe that and he
[2:35:05] wrote it down on this paper and he
handed it out
[2:35:10] and that's wrong.
>> Okay. Don't get so When it gets loud, it
[2:35:15] ends up on the recording.
>> I might get louder.
[2:35:17] » Well, as I as long as you stay this far
away, it on the recording, it ends up
[2:35:22] screaming.
>> When he sits up here and he says the
[2:35:25] Samoset
people don't own the property on the
[2:35:29] other side of the road, I believe he's
wrong. When I bought when we bought our
[2:35:35] property on Samosant, Remax assured me
with paperwork and the legal lawsuits
[2:35:42] that were filed and won, all Samoscent
owners own the property on the other
[2:35:48] side of the road. And in fact, on our
deeds, it says that we gave the township
[2:35:56] the right away to put a road through our
property. And why did they do that?
[2:36:02] because
emergency vehicles need to get through
[2:36:05] there. It's my understanding.
Years ago, it used to be a twotrack. Now
[2:36:11] it's become a racetrack. Samuel said
it's unreal. How do you even walk down
[2:36:17] there beyond me? Let alone the kids
driving golf carts. I got see
[2:36:25] three-year-olds sitting in the driver's
seat. Come on. I mean, somebody needs to
[2:36:30] start policing. Samo said it's out of
control.
[2:36:35] It's got to stop before someone gets
hurt. I got 10-year-old kids doing
[2:36:42] uh circle eights in my driveway. They're
going to flip. They're going to get
[2:36:46] hurt.
It's almost ridiculous what we see on
[2:36:50] Samo's set. And as far as Mr. Robinson
goes to the best of his understanding
[2:36:57] the comments the following comments he
put on here the best of his
[2:37:02] understanding
they're accurately portrayed in what he
[2:37:07] wrote this this is just someone's
opinion he needs to see the legal
[2:37:12] documents
that go to the property owners on
[2:37:17] Samoset
before he is allowed to pass out at a
[2:37:22] public meeting of this paperwork.
That's all I have to say. I I don't know
[2:37:30] why he doesn't like the people on
Samoset. We're really nice people. If
[2:37:35] you want to sit on my swing, sir, you're
more than welcome. I never kick anybody
[2:37:39] off. You want to go use my dock and get
in the water? You're more than welcome.
[2:37:43] Just ask me.
>> That's all.
[2:37:46] » All right. Thank you. Let's not go
there. Thank you for your comment.
[2:37:51] Appreciate it. Uh, anybody else? Okay.
>> Hi, my name is Jaclyn Valente. Am I
[2:37:59] close enough or am I going to be booming
out of there?
[2:38:01] » You should be good. It's just on the
tape it ends up banging it too hard.
[2:38:05] » Okay. My address is 5604 West Higgins
Lake Drive. My parents is 5598 West
[2:38:10] Higgins Lake Drive on Samoset. They have
a West Higgins Lake Drive, but they are
[2:38:15] on Samoset. And same with myself.
I've been coming up here
[2:38:20] since I was 5 years old on Samoset for
55 years. Okay.
[2:38:28] The way this street is not monitored in
any way, shape, or form anymore, it is
[2:38:35] out of control. And I know we're all
waiting for something tragic to happen.
[2:38:40] Almost what happened on business,
it was very violent. A lot of kids
[2:38:47] watching. Okay. It wasn't for
young people to just to have to watch us
[2:38:53] and witness this. Okay.
We need something in control. If it's
[2:38:59] this board, if it's somebody to start
monitoring what is happening on Samson,
[2:39:05] you've got literally 8-year-olds, 10
year olds driving these side by sides,
[2:39:11] golf carts, whatever it is, minibikes,
motorcycles,
[2:39:16] everything. Okay? Are you just waiting
for my grandchild to get run over? Is
[2:39:22] that what it's going to take? A tragic
situation, somebody getting possibly
[2:39:28] injured or or killed?
We are asking for this board's support
[2:39:34] and having this street
monitored
[2:39:38] this for 55 years. This is
is out of control. Out of control.
[2:39:47] I appreciate your comment. I would
reiterate again that anytime you feel
[2:39:51] danger or threatened, call the police.
>> We have
[2:39:55] » Okay. I believe that what Bruce was
saying and the fact they're probably
[2:39:59] going to increase their presence.
>> We are never going to be 24/7 as a
[2:40:05] board. So, at least in the safety issue
aspect of this, call the police,
[2:40:09] » the support and what we're asking.
I no I I get your comment but if it's
[2:40:15] any like if you think there's a serious
threat or trespassing
[2:40:20] don't even a year ago people used to
call here
[2:40:24] » no
>> we can't do anything you got to call the
[2:40:26] police
>> all right I appreciate
[2:40:29] » I mean we write the state we write the
federal whatever we'll we'll do whatever
[2:40:35] we can to help this street
>> yeah safety I mean
[2:40:43] Okay. Well, I sus I suspect we will be
having meetings and more comments can
[2:40:49] come up.
>> I appreciate your comments.
[2:40:51] » I think maybe we should invite the road
uh representative of the road commission
[2:40:55] to one of our meetings.
>> Let them sit here and explain
[2:41:01] » everybody
>> and they'll bring their attorney and we
[2:41:03] need to invite ours and it'll be a party
that I don't know if it need that. I
[2:41:07] mean,
>> well, yeah. I don't I'm not doing
[2:41:10] anything unless our attorney says we
could do it.
[2:41:12] » Well, you can invite him here to speak.
>> Yeah, that's what that's what I mean.
[2:41:16] This is heading towards,
>> you know, he came here once to talk
[2:41:19] about short-term rental.
>> Um, yeah, we're I certainly think we
[2:41:26] need to try and do something. I have no
idea what that thing is yet and it has
[2:41:31] to be legal.
>> I agree.
[2:41:34] » Thank you.
>> Appreciate it.
[2:41:44] John Bart of Lion Township. Um, you
know, I I really was not going to say
[2:41:49] much, but after hearing the stuff about
Samuel said, um, I've heard, you know,
[2:41:54] um, Trusty Demer say, you know, we
really we don't need a police source
[2:41:58] here. But I think maybe what you guys
might be missing the point is that you
[2:42:04] know we that we feel that you need to be
proactive that you we we don't want to
[2:42:11] wait until somebody makes a complaint or
has or feels threatened as you said Paul
[2:42:17] I think what we're saying is that we
need somebody monitoring that. We need
[2:42:21] somebody there to to sort of nip it in
the bud to say look we've got a presence
[2:42:25] there so nobody ever feels threatened.
So you don't wait until you're
[2:42:30] threatened. We need to have somebody
monitoring that somehow. So, and I know
[2:42:35] it's a difficult issu situation, but I I
just want to emphasize the point that,
[2:42:42] you know, to sit there and say wait for
wait for a complaint. That's not what
[2:42:46] we're saying. The point is we want
somebody there to monitor it probably
[2:42:50] would not have happened to Tim. Whatever
happened, I don't know. But that was
[2:42:55] awful. and and you know if there are
people doing things there that they
[2:42:59] shouldn't do there's nobody there
monitoring it. So please don't wait for
[2:43:03] a complaint. Please be proactive about
whatever your plan is.
[2:43:09] » Thank you sir.
Okay we are down to Sam Bedian Jr.
[2:43:15] [clears throat]
[2:43:18] Thank you all for your patience. I said
this at one of the concerts too. You get
[2:43:22] a bunch of people together with
different opinions. [clears throat]
[2:43:24] Higgins like people get they know how to
get along with each other, you know, in
[2:43:28] general.
>> You're not hearing what they're saying.
[2:43:31] » No, I'm hearing what they're say. What
I'm saying is fights aren't breaking
[2:43:34] out.
>> They're not.
[2:43:36] » They are. Yeah.
>> And not I'm talking about right here.
[2:43:39] » Oh,
>> when we when we get together to discuss
[2:43:42] things, there are many townships, you've
probably seen the videos, where the
[2:43:47] meetings just go nuts.
>> We're if if we can work our way through
[2:43:51] this, I think that'll be it. To me, it's
a credit. The people who live around
[2:43:55] here are great people. Anyway, go ahead,
Mr. Bedoleian.
[2:44:00] Sam Bedian, Junior, Lion Township.
[clears throat]
[2:44:09] I live at 205 Elamar Boulevard, four-way
stop, just past the Silver Dollar Bar.
[2:44:15] Ed Nellis was supervisor.
We had issues back in the day.
[2:44:21] Ed Ellis and I at the time Fran was
sheriff
[2:44:25] went in discussed
asked if the patrol cars that passed
[2:44:30] North State Park
and go to Old 27
[2:44:35] and take Old 27 to Holton Lake
could just detour
[2:44:42] and take Higgins Lake Boulevard through
Lion Township
[2:44:46] and he did that and that's going on
today. I'm leading to a point. So that
[2:44:52] was accomplished that you have patrol
from the sheriff of Ross Common County
[2:44:56] in your township without having a police
department that many years ago the
[2:45:01] public wanted you guys to have a police
department. That's a whole different
[2:45:04] ballgame. I I don't want to get into
that right now. But you have coverage
[2:45:07] now here
with the board support. your supervisor
[2:45:13] can sit down with the sheriff and
discuss these matters
[2:45:18] and I'll bet you he would have no
problem having his
[2:45:25] patrol car detour and go right down
Samuel set for exposure and take care of
[2:45:31] those problems. That's the one one way I
see that you're going to have coverage
[2:45:35] that you folks need because we the
township limited. Obviously, they don't
[2:45:40] have a badge. They don't have a gun.
Neither does Bruce. And I'm going to
[2:45:43] defend him and every which way and a lot
of things he's trying to do. But that's
[2:45:48] my suggestion. Get a hold of the sheriff
and I'll bet you he'll have his patrol
[2:45:51] cars going down that road just like I
saw four-wheelers parked at some Samet
[2:45:56] park and there's no parking signs there.
He can't do nothing. He doesn't have a
[2:46:01] badge, but somebody can call the
sheriff's department. Any one of you can
[2:46:06] call the sheriff's department on that.
But he can go in there and talk about
[2:46:10] the fact of getting a patrol car down
there. Now, this public notice,
[2:46:16] you're going to have to forgive me. That
was in 2005.
[2:46:21] I'm not good at math, but that's 21
years ago.
[2:46:26] So, we that have been here have seen a
lot. We're we're gonna try and help you
[2:46:30] folks because of these situations. It's
a different generation now. Now you're
[2:46:34] going to have to re really get support
from the legal end of it. Public Act 56
[2:46:41] was created by the legislators in 2012,
which is a law. Now, I I had a kit here
[2:46:49] and I'm not going to pass it out. I'll
wait till maybe next month. It's all
[2:46:52] about Public Act 56, which is a law. If
you go on your phone, and I'm I don't
[2:46:57] even have a computer, but I went on my
phone and asked for public act 56, state
[2:47:02] of Michigan. It just prints it all out
what it is. And I believe me, you'll get
[2:47:06] educated on that. And then you'll get
educated on this, but you'll still need
[2:47:10] legal help. I mean, the sheriff's
department or even the state police. You
[2:47:14] can call either one of them. They will
come down. You have a complaint, you
[2:47:18] call 911, call a complaint. They'll have
they'll send a patrol car. That's their
[2:47:22] job. But I'm going to end at that. Thank
you.
[2:47:27] » Thank you, Sam. Appreciate it. Anybody
else? Any last last comments?
[2:47:36] Okay. I I want to thank you all again.
I'm sorry I didn't state that very well,
[2:47:42] John. You're right. There are problems,
but I have faith that the majority of
[2:47:46] people here can work together and figure
things out.
[2:47:50] » And you're right. I can get a hold of
the share. I've been sitting on
[2:47:54] probably shouldn't even Well, I'm not
going to say it now.
[2:47:57] » There's a reason I'm kind of waiting
before I get a hold of him. Something
[2:48:02] needs to be settled on their end first.
Then I'm going to get a hold of them.
[2:48:06] » Wonder if they understand it's been
going on long enough. They know what's
[2:48:10] going on,
>> right? But there's a there's a
[2:48:12] particular
>> get on it before the Labor Day weekend
[2:48:15] so they can start getting patrol to help
these folks.
[2:48:18] » There's a particular thing that they
need to make a decision on. that's
[2:48:21] probably going to happen this week. And
at that point, I have
[2:48:26] » I'm wondering if we couldn't do
something with either the state police
[2:48:29] or the sheriff's department and have
almost like a a substation in the fire
[2:48:36] department where they could
have like a little office there, have
[2:48:40] the car there. They're close by. We've
got plenty of room in the fire
[2:48:45] department to have an office there.
I mean,
[2:48:49] » we could buy we could buy an old police
car, give it to Bruce,
[2:48:55] » but that way you've got at least
something someone local. So, if if there
[2:49:00] is an issue, they're not coming from
Ross Common or Holton Lake or wherever
[2:49:05] they're at. They're they're here.
They're at the fire department. Um, I
[2:49:10] don't know. It's just a thought. I think
that a lot of thoughts are going to come
[2:49:14] up and
[clears throat]
[2:49:17] and we'll see.
[2:49:21] » Okay. Anyway, as far as the meeting
goes, perfect timing. I would entertain
[2:49:27] a motion that we adjourn this meeting.
>> I make the motion.
[2:49:31] » Okay. Motion by Demmer. Public comment
is closed. So, do we have any do we have
[2:49:36] a second? I'll
>> second.
[2:49:38] » Okay. Any discussion from the board?
Okay, then the meeting is adjourned at
[2:49:46] 9:48.
>> Holy crap.
[2:49:55] » Holy crap. Okay, turn your mics off.
>> Hey, turn your mics off. It's all going
[2:50:02] on.
[2:50:17] When there's a sheriff there, but they
will follow the kids all the way back to
[2:50:22] their place and then they get a ticket
or whatever.
[2:50:27] » And then okay, then you don't see it for
a few hours.
[2:50:44] I'm sorry.