[0:03] Okay.
>> But Kate law
[0:15] » I worked for the city of Englewood
[0:20] challenging because they have all the
general.
[0:24] » So yeah, I learned a lot.
[0:29] I don't blame you. I'm about to go back
to my left Westminster lady.
[0:46] [music]
[0:49] We're live. Okay, Jason, do you want to
call immed?
[0:55] » Go ahead and call. The immediate order
is 6 o'clock, November 25th, 2025. Start
[1:02] with roll call.
>> Jason Beer
[1:07] » here.
>> Uh Bob Lewig
[1:10] » here.
>> Jesse West.
[1:12] » Craig Bolan
>> here.
[1:14] » Rocky Summers
>> here. Josh,
[1:17] Kathy Taylor here.
[1:22] We have a quorum.
>> Thank you.
[1:25] » Moving on to approval of the agenda.
Everybody had a chance to look over the
[1:28] agenda.
Is there any additions or things you'd
[1:32] like to see changed?
[1:37] » I move to approve the agenda as
presented. Second.
[1:42] » So moved and second to approve the
agenda. Any discussion?
[1:47] None. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:50] » All opposed.
Motion carries.
[1:56] Moving on to number three, public
comments. I'm sorry. Commissioner
[1:59] members comments. Anybody have anything
before you get started?
[2:04] No.
Like to welcome Cassie. It's our first
[2:07] meeting. Welcome. Thanks for being here.
>> Thank you.
[2:11] » Proceed with public comments.
[2:17] anybody like comments.
[2:25] Uh so my name is Renee and today
we purchased 205 East Avenue N which was
[2:33] formerly known as the old Culligan
warehouse.
[2:37] Our address has been changed to reflect
um a correct location on the block. So,
[2:42] we're now formerly known as 213 East
AppN.
[2:47] Yes. Um, we're here to partition and
respectfully request you guys consider
[2:53] changing zoning. So, we are zoned
commercial and we would hope to be zoned
[2:58] as a mixed use um for here in Lions.
some of the the benefits of reszoning.
[3:05] Um,
as Lions continues to evolve and change,
[3:11] so do its needs. Our property, um, in
the current commercial designation
[3:17] remained underutilized for an extended
period of time. If my memory serves me
[3:22] correct, um, it was on the market for
almost four years.
[3:26] So, by repurposing an ex an existing
building, um, it encourages smart
[3:32] growth. We purchased the property in
September of 2024, and we take great
[3:37] pride in our ownership, and we've we
took just 14 loads to the dump, just
[3:43] cleaning out our lot. That was our
sideyard and the front yard that we own.
[3:48] Um, that's not including any of the
materials that we removed out of the
[3:53] building.
Um
[3:57] there are several nearby properties that
also share the same uh problem or issue
[4:04] that we have in that it's a combination
of residential and commercial. So we
[4:10] would hope that with there being
multiple properties that there is a need
[4:14] in Lions to to reszone.
Um,
[4:20] as far as public safety goes, we feel
like we are enhancing like a
[4:24] neighborhood crime watch area. We are
there constantly. We see what's
[4:28] happening. Um, our own personal security
cameras have picked up on um some theft
[4:34] in the area which was reported to the
police department. Um, they monitor our
[4:40] neighborhood a lot more closely. We see
them go by on our cameras about 6 to
[4:44] eight times a night as they go down
through um our area. So having a
[4:51] mixeduse property and having people in a
commercial and residential area, it
[4:56] discourages crime. Um
[5:01] we um we believe that it provides a
stronger um property value. Um, we're
[5:09] paying taxes as residents of Lions and
um, we pay higher [clears throat] fees
[5:15] um, being a commercial building and our
tax dollars are helping out the city.
[5:21] We also believe that our property and
other properties that would be mixed to
[5:26] zoning encourage community interactions
and social cohesion. Um, I opened two
[5:33] businesses out of that building that we
now live in. um Wills You Craft with Me
[5:38] and Wills You Photography.
My craft business provided a place for
[5:44] people to come in Lions, not having to
leave this amazing little community and
[5:50] spend their tax dollars in Hutch or
Great Bend or Salina. [music] Um, I was
[5:58] providing painting parties where we
could get together and everyone was
[6:03] welcome to to join us and have fun and
laugh and build this sense of community.
[6:10] And we had a great time doing it. It's
kind of been put on the back burner as
[6:16] we've been trying to get ourselves
situated and and make it more of a
[6:21] residential, but I I'm not giving up
Wills You Craft with Me and [music]
[6:25] Wills You Photography. That is one of
the reasons that we love our our town so
[6:33] much is because we can provide a service
that's needed. Um, and everyone was
[6:38] enjoying
the fact that there was a place that
[6:42] they could go to enjoy
gathering and socializing and being
[6:47] together.
Um, as this community evolves, having
[6:52] mixed zoning in place allows for an easy
transition back and forth between it
[6:57] being a mixeduse or commercial property
or residential. Um,
[7:03] our building was underutilized for so
long and it's great to see life coming
[7:08] back into it and I see that in the town
of Lions. We want to breathe life into
[7:13] our community. Um, we picked Lions
because the people picked us.
[7:21] When we first started looking at where
to move, um, Colorado was not affordable
[7:27] anymore and and we had a list of places
and states and Kansas was on our short
[7:34] list and we kept coming here to visit
and we kept going to different places
[7:37] and one of my co-workers back in
Colorado, she was a speech therapist at
[7:41] my school for deaf and heart of hearing.
She um she said, "You walk into the town
[7:47] and you go to the coffee shop and if
they look at you like you're aliens,
[7:53] that's not your town. And if you walk in
and they act like, "Hey, where have you
[7:59] been your whole life?" That's your town.
And that's what happened when we walked
[8:03] into Lions. We looked at other towns in
the state. We went to Pratt. We looked
[8:07] at St. John. I thought for sure we were
going to land in Morning,
[8:12] but we walked into Brew 56
and that sealed the deal. We walked into
[8:18] our town, our community, the place where
we wanted our kids to know [music]
[8:22] people because in Colorado, you don't
get to know anybody anymore. No one has
[8:27] relationships. No one talks. It's go to
work, get home, go to work, get home
[8:33] every day. And Lions is our [music] our
home. We fell in love with the people in
[8:40] this community. They're kind. They're
genuine. And these people we now call
[8:44] our friends. We've immersed ourselves
into this community. [music]
[8:50] We get to be your Mr. and Mrs. Claus.
Um we take part in your parades and we
[8:56] really like being just good neighbors
and responsible citizens. So, we would
[9:01] hope and encourage the commission to
think about changing the zoning so that
[9:07] mixed use becomes a possibility here in
Lions. Thank you for your time.
[9:14] » Thank you.
[9:29] Moving on to item number four, business
items to consider.
[9:33] Yes, sir. So, the first one we have up,
it's a great segue from a public
[9:36] comment. Um, is about the mixed use
designation. So, um, these lovely folks
[9:43] approached us earlier in the year from
what I understand about attempting to
[9:47] change zoning. Um, and we were actually
planning on doing a reszone as you might
[9:52] have seen from the first initial draft
agendas. Um, then we made the
[9:57] realization that we don't have a mixed
use designation in our code. Um, and so
[10:01] that's the first step in being able to
reszone to a mixed use. So in the memo
[10:05] you all received, it kind of gives a
explanation of similar stories. um where
[10:11] we have multiple buildings that are
technically quoteunquote out of
[10:15] compliance because our options for
reszoning are residential, commercial,
[10:20] industrial, and I think one other that's
[clears throat] like for a planned unit
[10:23] development. Um so there's not really a
great option for places that are, you
[10:29] know, either zoned commercial and have
owner operating living spaces or places
[10:33] that are zoned residential and still
have that same mix of business and
[10:37] residential residential. Um, so what I
would ask from planning commission
[10:41] tonight is you all have a conversation
about whether this is something you want
[10:43] to explore. Um, if it is at the next
planning commission meeting, um, you
[10:48] know, or if there's anything specific
you want to see in a mixeduse
[10:51] definition, um, we can work with the
city attorney to draft something up and
[10:56] get a formal recommendation to council
if that's what you guys would like to
[10:59] pursue.
[11:05] Well, I guess I'll kick off the
discussion then if that's what we're
[11:08] after, right?
>> Yep.
[11:09] » Um, so
I I concur that that we probably need to
[11:15] have definitive
usage for for those mixed uses, right?
[11:21] Um, I know our current general
commercial district covers
[11:26] apartments on floors other than the
ground floor. I'm taking this as one
[11:29] single level floor.
it it has a single level floor, but it
[11:34] also has a lot
>> has a lot and we would be utilizing both
[11:37] of those areas.
>> So, I know that that that that little
[11:42] caveat covers most of the area around
the square that does have apartments
[11:45] above it.
>> So, we're good there.
[11:48] Um I don't know of how many other
businesses have
[11:53] that would have a need to do a multi-use
with with the exception of their their
[12:00] location.
I do think though as we as we draft some
[12:05] verbiage for it, um some things that
just kind of pop in my head is different
[12:10] entrances separate from the resident
side from the business side to keep
[12:16] things separate. You know, obviously you
want to have definitive lines between
[12:20] this is our home versus this is the
business side. Um I know there's
[12:25] exceptions there with daycarees, right?
daycarees are very inh home daycarees
[12:30] are very regul regulated
um on how big the entrance has to be and
[12:36] all those types of things. So, I think
if if we're going to draft a a multi-use
[12:41] or a mixeduse
ordinance or a or a a zone there, we
[12:47] probably ought to have some some
language that def defines that of this
[12:51] is the home space versus this is the
living space and and the business space.
[12:58] Um,
[13:04] outside of that, that's really the only
concerns I have. Um, I don't know what
[13:08] the liability insurance side of things
would be. I'm not an insurance guy, but
[13:13] I would have a guess of if if it's a
business/home
[13:17] all in the same space. Is it a
homeowner's insurance? Is it business
[13:20] insurance? I can see that being
complicated, especially if somebody were
[13:25] fall and get hurt, walking in and out of
the front door. Is it the homeowner side
[13:31] or is it business side? So, I think
having some definitive clarity there is
[13:35] a big deal. But thoughts?
I agree with that risk with the uh you
[13:41] know potential for injury or somebody
you know getting hurt or whatever with
[13:45] having the definitive separation between
the home itself and the business. I
[13:52] think that would probably help a lot
with defining that. Um, would this were
[13:59] you talking about including other
structures in town like existing
[14:03] structures only or would we be talking
about new construction?
[14:09] » I think that would be a decision for you
all to make. Um,
[14:12] » yeah, cuz I think we would basically
create a new zone,
[14:16] » right?
>> Right. We would draft that, get that
[14:18] pushed through, and then anything I
mean, we could probably do a an
[14:25] adoption. I don't know if we can do
that. That'd be up to the city attorney
[14:28] to tell us what we can and cannot do
across what already exists
[14:32] » without everybody having to go through a
reszoning hearing.
[14:36] » Yeah. So, you can reszone districts um
like as a whole or just like certain
[14:41] areas. So, you can do kind of chunks at
once if that um is something you guys
[14:46] are interested in or you can kind of
take it as issues come up um like this.
[14:50] And
>> I would take it that way. I think it
[14:52] would be better to have the individual
buildings come up and ask for the
[14:58] reasonzoning simply because the issue I
agree I think the residential and the
[15:03] business should be separate in the
buildings. Um therefore I think the
[15:09] planning commission should have
oversight of does that exist in the
[15:14] building can it exist in the building
situations like that. Therefore, I don't
[15:20] I don't think this [music] blanketing,
you know, hey, these properties are okay
[15:24] » because then we could still have the the
code enforcement and city inspector come
[15:28] through and say, yes, it's compliant.
Uh, and then you get into the whole ADA
[15:32] side of the things, right? If you're
remodeling anything, it's got to have
[15:35] ADA compliant doors and things like
that. So, um,
[15:40] yeah, I think it's going to have to be
in eaches.
[15:43] Is it is it a big enough need to create
a new zone or is it just we we draft
[15:50] variances for the eaches that come up
with the need?
[15:56] » I think from this is my opinion so feel
free to take it with a grain of salt
[16:00] just from the perspective of
administrative burden on the owners I
[16:03] think having a designated zone makes it
a little more clear. Um but also um you
[16:09] know a variance is an option. um
variances get a little hard to track
[16:14] over the years. So,
>> right, especially if we grant a variance
[16:17] and say in two years they they move,
they sell the building and we don't we
[16:22] no longer have visibility of what what
that is. So,
[16:26] » is there a precedent in in surrounding
communities?
[16:30] » Um there's a precedent in a lot of
communities. I haven't looked in the
[16:33] surrounding ones specifically. Um but a
mixeduse designation is really common
[16:37] and that's why I thought that it existed
to be completely honest. Um, yeah. So,
[16:42] » I was thinking, you know, hair hair
salons. It's pretty common to have one
[16:45] in the back of the house and have it up
front.
[16:47] » I did know about how they went about
that.
[16:50] » Of course, I'm sure you have to have a
homeowner's policy plus a business
[16:53] policy as far as the insurance goes. And
then, of course, you have a professional
[16:57] liability policy.
>> Yeah. The entrance. I remember because
[16:59] my aunt had one and she had to remodel
part of her house to accommodate
[17:04] » how big the entrance was, seating area,
stuff like that. So, there's some
[17:08] there's some weird things in there as
far as regulatory guidance goes. So,
[17:14] » I like the idea of having a mixed use uh
as long as like Jason said, we can kind
[17:18] of enforce that, make sure the business
portion [music] is ADA compliant and
[17:22] meets regulatory
benchmarks, but I would have assumed we
[17:28] had already had some things. I was
curious about the square and of course
[17:31] he has it pulled up here, so that
answers my question.
[17:41] Cassie, anything to add?
[17:46] » Um, I know that we're talking about
commercial buildings. Um, I would just
[17:49] be aware, you know, of people saying,
"Oh, we can do this um mixed use," and
[17:56] then they turn they put a business in
the back of their home kind of thing or
[18:00] something like that. You know, I don't
see that happen.
[18:03] » Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.
Right. and we don't want to drive people
[18:06] away from retail space and and function
out of their garage, right? So, it's
[18:10] kind of a like you like like Craig said,
we want to look at the Eges and not
[18:16] blanket it just to make sure that we
still encourage retail space that that
[18:21] we're going to talk about next.
>> Um,
[18:25] so yeah, that's a good point. Good
point. Yeah, because that's a slippery
[18:28] slope.
I would suggest that we just include
[18:33] existing retail
design currently designated retail space
[18:39] as it is. For example, the build the
structure that they purchased was a
[18:44] retail or storage building and they've
adapted it for to a living space.
[18:51] I would suggest just doing that rather
than hitting residential areas as well,
[18:55] current residential areas. Yeah,
>> I think it'd be good to add the mixed
[19:00] the mixed uh
>> what I want to say
[19:03] » the mixed design destination uh and then
they have to each individual have to
[19:06] come before us and we kind of
>> I don't want to say
[19:10] » send inspectors and make sure there's
>> there's the ability to segregate
[19:14] » control it that way rather than
>> Yeah. Yep.
[19:20] » And then I see there's there's three
options there
[19:24] between the registration and the
>> Oh, for the correction
[19:28] » that's ahead. Sorry.
>> Well, like I said, I like the idea of
[19:34] having a mixed designation.
>> Okay. So, just to recap what I'm
[19:38] hearing, we like the idea of having a
mixed designation. Um, but kind of just
[19:43] create it as an option and then if
reszones need to happen, it goes through
[19:46] the normal resone process. Yes. Yes.
Okay.
[19:49] » Yeah. That way we can we can have I
don't want to say oversight, but that's
[19:53] the best word for it. Oversight of who's
doing what with what businesses, what
[19:57] residences, things like that. So,
>> okay. We will get something together um
[20:01] for the next planning commission
meeting.
[20:03] » And if you
get enough drafts, if you want to send
[20:07] that out to us, let's proofread it out.
>> Absolutely. and and even if we find
[20:12] things, maybe we even send it back say,
"Hey, we tweak your add subtract [music]
[20:16] things like that."
>> Yep.
[20:18] » Tweak those things. But I like that.
>> I do have a question. Um in this
[20:22] explanation,
uh increase opportunities for housing
[20:26] production, particularly in commercial
corridors
[20:30] where residential use are currently
limited or disallowed. What's what that
[20:35] does that involve? So, I think kind of
the idea is that if you know there's
[20:40] commercial buildings where there's an
upstairs that maybe is not an apartment
[20:44] or a living space, but there's potential
for it to become one, having a mixeduse
[20:48] designation can encourage that because
it's seen as an [music] option to
[20:52] pursue. Um,
>> yeah.
[20:55] » So, that's basically what that
>> saying. I did have one question as far
[21:00] as your guys' burden. If we do this
mixed use uh the address like we were
[21:06] talking if they resone to this mixed use
designation does that mean they have to
[21:10] have two addresses one for the business
and one for the residential
[21:15] I would assume.
>> That's a great question. I'm not sure
[21:18] but I can look into it and get back to
you.
[21:21] » That would be my guess. Yeah.
legal description of each address,
[21:26] » right?
>> That would help the insurance problem,
[21:29] too.
>> I I just I need to do this short answer
[21:33] that right now, especially for our
place. We were addressing incorrectly
[21:38] when we took the building and
it took them about a year to get us
[21:44] addressed right and there is no address
that can go in between us. This one's
[21:50] 215 for 213 and 21.
>> A
[21:57] we still struggle. We can't get mail or
deliveries at our place.
[22:01] » Yeah.
>> You can't get Amazon. You can't get
[22:05] anything.
>> That was the one. Like I said, I'm sure
[22:09] trying to keep them separate. Like Jason
was saying, I'm sure you'll have to
[22:12] there's probably a lot more to that.
I'll have to go through and probably
[22:15] split the property to be technically
accurate that way.
[22:20] 205A and the 205B.
>> Yeah. Or that's a great sweep.
[22:27] » If we do that, how does that work for
utilities [music] and things like that?
[22:32] » So, that's only going to change
depending on like So, we had people just
[22:38] purchase another portion of the
building, but there's already [music]
[22:41] like there's two hookups for water. So,
in order for that to be considered one,
[22:47] they would have to combine it. But the
other
[22:51] that would fall under another thing
because you would have to classify it
[22:55] different. But I know it also is done by
pipe and um yeah y'all that would be
[23:02] another thing you would have to consider
because the commercial rate is different
[23:05] than the residential rate. And then um
yeah that's definitely something y'all
[23:10] would have to consider and probably put
in there as well.
[23:13] » So would that just be the responsibility
of the owner?
[23:18] I think I think we kind of need to do
some research. Like I said, I like the
[23:22] idea. There's just logistically I don't
know on your guys' staff going [music]
[23:25] through and
>> yeah, I think the utility RFI is a is a
[23:30] big rock that we got to figure out what
that utility piece looks like. Not I
[23:34] mean gas, electric, [music] water, all
that.
[23:37] » Um trash service another thing to look
at.
[23:42] » We don't get that offer
trash.
[23:45] » Yeah. We take care of that all
the commercial.
[23:53] » Yep. Okay. We will look into those
things and get you some more information
[23:57] [music] on them.
>> But yeah, I like the idea of mixed use.
[24:00] I think we're all in clearance there.
So, I think going forward with drafting
[24:05] that up and working that through the
pipeline.
[24:07] » Yes, sir. Great.
[24:11] » Any other discussion or comments before
you move on? Very
[24:17] good. We'll move on to commercial
vacancy information.
[24:23] » Yeah. So, this is something I was asked
to look at um when I first started at
[24:27] the city a couple months ago um to try
to think of some ways to address
[24:32] vacancies [clears throat] in commercial
buildings um and try to think of ways to
[24:36] encourage um non- vacancies. So, filling
those vacancies. Um, so there's a lot of
[24:43] different cities that do this in a lot
of different ways. So this is a very
[24:46] scalable [music] thing. Um, and the
options that are presented in the memo
[24:50] kind of reflect that. So option one is
kind of a lightweight registration where
[24:55] we just require after a certain number
of days that um, commercial buildings
[25:00] that are vacant register with us. Um,
that's a way for us to just track and
[25:04] know. Um, and
yeah, that's pretty much it. Um, so
[25:12] option A is good for kind of an initial
thing. Um, it doesn't give you a ton of
[25:18] incentive. Um, when the goal of
something like this is to incentivize
[25:21] property owners or managers to fill
vacant fill vacancies. Um, option two is
[25:28] kind of a middle ground where it's a
registration plus a fee. Um, so that fee
[25:33] can be incremental, um, it can escalate,
it can be kind of whatever you want. Um,
[25:39] but it does kind of find that middle
ground of creating a financial incentive
[25:43] for folks to fill the vacancies in their
buildings, um, while still, um, yeah,
[25:50] not going super overboard. Um, [music]
option three is pretty comprehensive. Um
[25:57] and that
adds mechanisms where if the vacancy
[26:02] isn't filled, then the city um requires
formal action to be taken to either
[26:09] acquire the property into a land bank um
to rehabilitate the properties. Um like
[26:15] I said, that one's pretty extreme, but
it is done in certain places. So, I just
[26:18] wanted to give you guys all the options
and kind of show you how it can scale
[26:22] from just a simple registry that the
city keeps um to something all the way
[26:27] through more direct action. Um so, yeah,
I would love thoughts, discussion, um
[26:35] any other additional ideas on how we
could encourage um lower rates of
[26:39] vacancy in commercial buildings. I
reading through this, I kind of liked
[26:45] option B. Honestly, I think it's a good
idea.
[26:50] » The registration, will that be
something? Let's say you have a
[26:52] prospective business that wants to come
to town, they come here to city hall,
[26:55] they say, "Hey, you know, do you know of
any properties?" And you just have a
[26:58] list.
>> Yeah. And that's also kind of a way you
[27:01] can incentivize it, too, is kind of turn
it into an advertising list for those
[27:04] owners. You can say, "We'll provide this
to people who come to ask us for
[27:08] business spaces." So,
[27:12] » I like option B. I I I don't know that
you'll get anybody to do it unless you
[27:18] impose some sort of a fee.
Of course, you know, nobody likes paying
[27:23] fees, but I I think that's a good, like
I said, balance balanced deterrence,
[27:28] but it is still manageable for the staff
you have. Yeah, because this is going
[27:32] back a couple I think when when Ed was
still here, we talked about figuring
[27:36] something out and then Troy and I talked
about it just a few weeks ago also. So,
[27:41] it's been some we've been trying to
figure out how to do it. Other towns
[27:43] have been doing it successfully. So, um
yeah, I think option B, I think if we
[27:50] were just going to try it out, see how
it tastes, go with hay. Um but I think
[27:56] we're it's going to be successful. I
feel good about it, but we have to make
[28:00] it I don't want to say painful, but
uncomfortable to where the business
[28:04] owners, I'm sorry, the building owners
that own the property [music] are
[28:09] incentivized to to do something with it,
not just sit on it because they can't.
[28:14] » As a preliminary idea, you said after a
few days, they they need to register it
[28:18] after a few days of vacancy. When are we
thinking as far as imposing fees?
[28:25] » That differs. That would be up to you
all's perview and a recommendation. I've
[28:29] seen everything from, you know, after,
you know, you have to register after 30
[28:33] to 60 days and then fees [music] start
incurring after a year. Um, I've seen
[28:39] like an initial fee that you have to pay
and then do it. I've seen six months.
[28:43] So, it's really all over.
>> Do we have records of who owns all of
[28:49] the vacant buildings around the square?
>> Yes, we should.
[28:56] I know there's several buildings that
have been empty since I've lived here
[29:00] for 12 years. Um, and some of them need
some serious rehab. So, how would we go
[29:06] [music] about holding accountable those
owners to get those buildings back up to
[29:11] code so that they can be on a list and
ready for [music] the next tenant?
[29:19] Well, and I know there's some of those
that have that have received grants and
[29:22] different things to improve and make
updates and
[29:26] uh make those buildings suitable and
just haven't really been held to the
[29:30] fire to to finish those things. So, I
think this is part of that of
[29:35] incentivizing them to actually go
through with it. Um, and if need be,
[29:39] penalize them at some point because we
could obviously escalate to that point
[29:44] to where we can penalize them. Say, "No,
you have to do something with it because
[29:48] it's, you know, it's a blight on the
community. It's a big empty hole and the
[29:53] once once was a beautiful part of the
town and it's just an empty hole. So,
[29:59] but yeah, I'm in favor of B. Um, I think
we need to kind of tweak it a little
[30:02] bit. Figure out what the fee schedule
might look like with the registration
[30:07] process. Uh, what's the grace period? I
mean, if we adopt it, are we going to
[30:12] say 90 days, 120 days?
Are we going to send out notices to
[30:17] everybody? Probably. Um,
but I think I think definitely want to
[30:22] look into it. Worst case scenario, I see
on here the escalating fee schedule and
[30:27] say it caps out of 400. Is there any
like I said worst case scenario, let's
[30:31] say that the the owner just says, "Hey,
you know, I'll just I'll just pay $400 a
[30:36] month." Is there anything else
that we say, "Hey, you have a year or
[30:41] whatever or else?"
>> Yeah. And that's where the option three
[30:44] kind of comes or option C. Um that's
kind of where people tend to take those
[30:48] more aggressive approaches of
transferring it into a land bank. Um
[30:52] that is pretty aggressive and it would
take a lot of staff time. Um, so I'm not
[30:56] sure if we have the capacity for that
step quite yet, but it could definitely
[30:59] be something you revisit if we see that
not being effective.
[31:02] » I was just thinking, yeah, if you do
option B and and like I said, I'm sure
[31:06] this wouldn't happen, but if somebody
just went three or four years, they're
[31:10] just like, okay, I'm just going to pay
the $400 a month.
[31:13] » Is it monthly or is it annual
>> or whatever whatever it may be,
[31:16] » whatever you decide.
>> I think we can make this whatever we
[31:20] want. Whether it be monthly, yearly, the
dollar amount can be whatever.
[31:29] » Okay. Well, um, given this discussion,
what I'm hearing is I should draft
[31:34] something similar to option B, bring it
back to you all to make a recommendation
[31:37] for things like days, time [music]
frames, amounts, um, that you can then
[31:42] recommend to council.
>> Yeah.
[31:43] » Sound plan?
>> Yes.
[31:45] » Yeah. And I think I think we I don't
want to put it I feel like a $400 cap is
[31:51] is pretty cheap.
>> Agreed.
[31:56] » Well,
annually because I don't want to
[32:00] penalize somebody monthly. But I think
after the first year, [music] we can
[32:06] really start to ramp that up unless they
show like, hey, I'm actively trying to
[32:09] recruit a business, right,
>> or something, a tenant to take it over.
[32:14] Um,
and then like you said, we want to
[32:18] combat that. Well, I'll just I'll just
give you I'll just give you a thousand
[32:21] bucks and that'll get me over for the
next five years.
[32:24] » Right.
>> Cool. See you later.
[32:25] » Right.
>> And then they don't think about it
[32:27] again. That's that's the [music]
probably the approach.
[32:31] » I like the complete certain monthly. I
like the monthly as well because it
[32:37] » keeps it on top of the priority.
>> As a year goes by, it gets more and more
[32:43] aggressive both in dollar amount and
frequency. So like first year is a year,
[32:49] next year is every quarter and it's
double [music] what the first year was
[32:53] for example
>> and then it's every month the following
[32:57] year
>> just to
[33:01] » put some pressure down on the on the
company or the uh the property owner to
[33:07] get something in there to or to sell it,
>> right?
[33:10] » Yeah. I like the idea of putting a
little pressure on them just to get some
[33:14] something out of them, whether it's, you
know, put it up for sale, remodel it so
[33:19] it can be usable or rented. Um, and
just, you know, cuz like like you guys
[33:25] said, you know, 400 bucks to um some
people,
[33:30] » that's it'll just stay the same and
nothing will ever happen with it. Right.
[33:36] » I I would suggest annually simply
because the city is going to have to
[33:40] administer ad minister this and having
to do it monthly is going to be a pretty
[33:45] good burden on the city. What if we met
in the middle and did like the first
[33:48] year was an annual thing and then after
the first year of vacancy after the
[33:52] registration then it's six months and
then after that second year then it's
[34:00] every other month or or even monthly at
that point say hey now the clock's
[34:04] ticking and then we've just continue to
compound
[34:08] the fees and they just continue to
compound until we'll either show that
[34:12] they're actively recruiting making
efforts to keep business. Uh I know the
[34:17] the cost of some of those buildings is
what keeps a lot of the businesses out
[34:22] of them. Um so I think that'll help
combat that a little bit too. Property
[34:29] owner will be incentivized to okay, I'm
going to keep this guy in here for a
[34:32] cheaper price other than paying
>> right
[34:35] » yearly and annual monthly fees. So I
think go with option B with with some
[34:42] option B with more options. Got it.
>> Further f Yeah, it's recommendation.
[34:48] » Recommendation.
>> Okay. All right. Well, I'll get that
[34:50] together for the next one. Um, yeah.
[music] Great.
[34:58] » Anything else? Anything that comments,
questions?
[35:04] » We're about thousand tonight.
So, our next date and time will be
[35:08] December 18th, 6 p.m.
And hopefully we'll have some more
[35:13] things to discuss. So, put that on your
calendars. I'll call Josh and chastise
[35:17] him for not being here.
[35:22] » With that, do I have a motion for journ
[35:27] discussion, questions?
>> All in favor say I.
[35:30] » I. All opposed.
>> We're ajourned.
[35:34] We're
>> coming. 67.
[35:37] » Thank you for being here, y'all.
>> Appreciate you.
[35:44] » That's not
>> for national meeting.
[35:47] » Oh, for national meeting.
[35:53] » Did you have one? We didn't have a corn.
That was real fast.