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good evening everyone my name is Aaron
tuckfield I'm the chairperson of Macomb

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Township zoning board of appeals today
is January 5th the time is 6 35 my

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apologies for the delay we had some
technical difficulties before we got

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started I've called the meeting to order
and I'm going to move us on to item two

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on our agenda this evening which is the
Pledge of Allegiance please stand with

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me for the pledge

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all
foreign

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next item on our agenda is the roll call
um I think we'll talk later this evening

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about potential for election of officers
but our current Secretary

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um
Miss Lawson who will probably talk about

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later a little bit um has resigned she's
no longer a member of the board so I

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think I'm going to call the roll call
for this evening and then if we get to

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officers we can decide that either at
the end of this meeting or the beginning

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of next meeting
so that was being said I'm going to call

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the roll
um Mr Piper here Mr decoster here

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um Mr de Bruin here Mr tuckfield is
present all members are present I should

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just note that we only have four uh
regular members and they are all in

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attendance this evening
um and since the only other two members

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would be alternates I don't think we
have to do a motion to withhold them

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from Roll calls
all right so we're going to move on to

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item four which is addressing any
conflicts of interest

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at this time I'm going to call the role
if ever any member has a conflict of

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interest please indicate so by saying
yes and if you do not please indicate by

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saying no and I will call the roll Mr
decoster no Mr Chuck field says no Mr de

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Bruin no Mr Piper no all right all
members are showing no conflicts of

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interest that's going to move us on to
the approval of the agenda is there any

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discussion remote motions on the
approval of tonight's agenda

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this chairman I'll make a motion to
approve the agenda for tonight's meeting

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motion by Mr Costa is there a support I
will support that supported by Mr Piper

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all those in favor please signify by
saying aye aye all those opposed by

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saying nay that item passes and
tonight's agenda is approved

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next item is the approval of the
previous meeting minutes that will be

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those for the regularly scheduled
meeting of December the 1st 2022 is

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there any discussion or motions on these
minutes

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Mr chairman hearing no uh
Corrections for any other members I

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would vote to accept minutes as
presented all right motion by Mr Piper

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is there support supported by Mr Coster
all those in favor please signify by

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saying aye aye all those opposed by
saying nay that motion carries and the

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previous meeting minutes have been
adopted abstain from that wasn't there

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very good thank you Mr de Bruin um yeah
um next item is the item seven which is

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old business item 7A which I believe we
had on our agenda once before we moved

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it around because of a different order
which is why it's an old business and

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that'll be a variance request from the
zoning ordinance for one seven zero one

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six two five oh one seven zero one six
twenty five mile road right reading

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right through the numbers there
um that would be from section

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10.1505 g for permanent Parcels zero
eight zero eight one zero one zero four

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five and zero eight zero eight one zero
one zero four six Mr Box could you run

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us through this please
uh yeah thank you Mr chair and and board

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um you should have the PowerPoint in
front of you print it out I apologize if

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our projector is not working this
evening so I will run through the slides

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um and hopefully you can follow along
with your printouts in front of you so

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as you mentioned this did come before
you previously I believe in November uh

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I was not at that meeting but I believe
the the advice at the time was from Mr

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skurto to table until after the rezoning
which has now taken place so this

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property is rezoned recently to C1
a local commercial so they are now

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seeking the variance to allow an
eight-foot Green Belt along the west and

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south property lines where 20-foot would
normally be required

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so again the ordinance does require
20-foot setback area separating any

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structure or parking of private
passenger vehicles on any access Drive

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service Drive loading area or
maneuvering lane from any parcel

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zoned AG r1s R1 r1e R2L R2 r2h R3 CF or
MTC or any other residential use and

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they are surrounded by R1 properties at
this time so therefore the 20-foot

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setback would be what is required per
ordinance

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um so if you look at the following slide
I believe that in your printout should

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be numbered Slide Five
there's a site plan in there that

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they'll be moving forward with
potentially uh following this variance

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request but shown on that is what a
20-foot Green Belt would look like and

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what how that would impact what they're
trying to accomplish on these two

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Parcels that they recently rezoned what
what a 20-foot Green Belt would look

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like there keeping in mind that there
will also be a six foot tall masonry

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wall that is also required uh so moving
on to the next slide you see what

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they're proposing in fact being an eight
foot Green Belt uh with with plenty of

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vegetation and Landscaping to try to
additionally buffer the area along the

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two residential property lines that are
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our staff did take a look there was an
issue with the legal description I think

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we've cleared that up now engineering
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Melissa did take a look at this for the
planning department and did ask that the

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applicant demonstrate how compliance
with the strict letter of the ordinance

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is unnecessarily burdensome
and she did point out that again that

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there are some additional plannings that
they're offering for the reduced

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Greenbelt area to help with the
screening purposes

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so that being said I think we're going
to ask the petitioner to walk walk

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through
how they view this as as a hardship as

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you know you have to identify a hardship
in order to Grant a variance and so

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we're going to ask them to which they
are here tonight to to walk through that

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all right thank you Mr Box any questions
uh to Mr box from the board

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uh hearing none if the applicants are
here if you come forward to the center

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table uh state your name and address for
the record and give any comments you

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might have yes yeah

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hi I'm I'm Joe rugerello I'm the owner

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okay very good uh to our av gentlemen
are they close stuff can you hear the

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med the microphone good
I'm not hearing them I'm not sure if

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that microphone's working
can you hear me now

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I'm Joe rudrell I'm the owner
Catherine satimo big designs very good

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sorry I wasn't sure if we were having
another issue there just want to make

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sure okay uh
uh any comments that you make gentlemen

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and lady have the seating for us
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so where I can

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view of them uh certainly explain the
thoughts and then Mr Box uh mentioned uh

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if you have any comments with regards to
practical difficulty that is in play

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here that you see as being here that'd
be helpful um the first practical reason

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we would like the eight foot green belt
is the property next to it has an eight

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foot green belt and we would like to
keep the Aesthetics the same

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we also would like to

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keep away from undesirable parallel
parking spots which would be required if

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we have a 20-foot green belt
we would also need to reduce the size of

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our building
which wouldn't be conducive for very

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much of anything on this on this site at
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um
but mostly we would like to keep the

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same Aesthetics that are currently there
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um
I can answer questions if you okay any

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any questions for the petitioner
my question would be uh you said about

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the eight foot on the adjacent property
I don't remember how that came about was

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that something that variants was granted
for them or that's currently

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um a different Zone it's different which
require which allows it for an eight

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foot green belt

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Mr Box you have any yeah I was just
going to add that that that's the reason

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for the eight foot on the adjacent
property is it's zoned o one which only

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requires an eight foot Green Belt
um the site plan that you see in your

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packet
um kind of shows what the existing

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layout is along with what they're
proposing

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um and so yes it would be a different
zoning category that has the eight foot

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but they are proposing to share at this
time to share a driveway with that

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development next door so it kind of
function as one development

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and Mr Piper I don't remember if you're
on the board at the time but I know that

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the adjacent property did get a variance
but I believe I believe it was for the

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wall not the uh not the green belt yeah
yeah because I didn't remember yeah I

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couldn't remember if you'd been on at
that particular time or not we I think

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we looked at that one multiple meetings
if I remember that was a long uh that

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was a long decision
all right any other questions uh for the

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petitioner

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um I have a question for Mr boxer Mr
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the zoning at the dentist office next
door being an ozone was there a reason

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why this property here was not zoned the
same way or so and they followed they

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rezone this to C1 that's what they're
seeking here and they did get that

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approved uh according to the master plan
this this whole area is master plan for

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uh Flex use which would allow C1 or01 so
it the rezoning that they asked for did

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match the master plan
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but had it been zoned oh it would have
also matched the master plan being

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correct correct

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any questions maybe for Mr Box
because there's a wall because of the

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butts a residential obviously that's for
sound and noise and things what is the

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point of the further setback with
regards to commercial as opposed to

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office I think the intent there is that
typically with office settings

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um oh look at that we got the the
projector up there

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um
foreign

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go back to this so
typically with office settings I think

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that the idea is that
um people arrive in the morning

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and leave in the evening whereas in
commercial settings there's constant

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people in and out for for commercial
type uses therefore it creates a larger

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noise potential noise disturbance for
The Neighbors

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thank you

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so you know the questions I would open
it up to the public but we have no

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public this evening so I am going to
skip over that and bring it back to the

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board for any further questions or
motions

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I guess one more from Mr Box
is I know there's probably nothing set

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in stone is in your opinion is there
something that

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the extra vegetation
equals the further setback

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I know they're going to put in more
which would be essentially buffer the

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sound and the noise and the light but
yeah so I think extra vegetation can

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buffer you know additional sound and
light

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um
keeping in mind that there's already a

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six foot wall there unless the
vegetation itself goes above that wall

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I'm not sure how much more buffering it
provides but I would assume that it does

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provide some yes okay

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I actually did have a question for the
applicant uh you mentioned that it would

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be hard to develop this building with
the green belt what would that do to

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your development is it is it developable
is it a small building that's not

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practical because of the dollar amount
what would it look like if you if you

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had to develop with it it shrinks it way
down and makes it

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unusual do you have do you have an
understanding of approximately what size

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the building would be if you were to
build it too we've

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we picked this it would be

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okay so maybe maybe two units maybe yeah

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all right thank you
you know their comments or motions

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was there any consideration to ask I
don't even know if this is possible with

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the right-of-way test for a sep a front
setback variants to make up the rear

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um we didn't consider this idea only
because we already had the eight foot

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Green Belt next to it and the idea was
to keep it aesthetically pleasing once

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you come into this drive and the other
reason for it is the parking spaces are

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all in in order with the perk with the
the site that's already existing and it

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was really just an aesthetic
choosing to choose the back and not the

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front
and to keep the buildings you know kind

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of the same
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any any other comments emotions anyone
oh motions as well I think we're sort of

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in that phase I just I'm not sure if we
have any questions personally I'd like

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to
Grant this variance except I'm trying to

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hang my hat on an actual practical
difficulty uh right now I'm not seeing

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it I mean um I can't use Aesthetics as a
practical difficulty

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especially if it's possibly developed at
a smaller size footprint we do have a a

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traffic flow
issue if we have a 20-foot setback

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we're not able to get trucks in and
trucks out for fire reasons or for

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ambulance reasons
it renders that whole back portion

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basically unusable

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with the current design if you offset
the building to the could you offset the

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building to the west and have more
accessibility considering you now would

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now have a shared
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shared Drive area with the building to
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building is far

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but to the West
so to the to the left side of the parcel

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yes yes we might have maybe 18 feet we
could move it to the West

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doesn't it doesn't help it doesn't help
Services coming in or coming out it

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doesn't solve it doesn't solve that Mr I
was going to ask Mr eloya and you might

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have a comment that sounds like if you
have a comma go ahead I guess my

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um
I guess my only issue is is I don't know

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that we've seen a site plan which has
measured all these issues I don't know

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that engineer engineering has evaluated
that aspect as to whether the loading

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and the parking and how that fits with
the 20-foot Green Belt I I don't know I

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don't know maybe Josh knows if they see
I mean you do have a draft uh site plan

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in your packet okay that they're going
to look to to move forward with uh if

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this variance is granted
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and that kind of shows the
location of what where they're looking

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to put the building and looking to put
parking they do have a loading zone

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shown directly on the rear side of the
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but they don't they don't have a site
plan with a 20-foot Green Belt which

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shows that they can't have a loading
zone right correct right

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but the there's their site plan shows
that it would cover up a substantial

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portion of the parking which means the
parking would have to be pushed in

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correct that was one of the slides that
I showed so this this is kind of what

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the site plan currently that they're
working with uh and this is kind of what

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it would look like with a 20-foot green
belt so you can see it would require

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them to move that parking elsewhere
still have to maintain the drive aisle

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so she's correct it would shrink the
building

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which would
a smaller building would be allowed

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there as well yeah
Mr Mr boy and just a question on that

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and if you had something further no
don't let me interrupt you typically

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we're told that
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uh practical difficulties are not
generally Financial they're not it's

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going to make less is there a point
where the property would not be

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is there a definable point where they
can't use the property as zoned where it

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would be considered a practical
difficulty or the or the viability of a

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building is not generally considered
anything we can consider here

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right so it's the petitioner's job to
provide material and substantial

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evidence as to their practical
difficulty that's what the law says they

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have to put the evidence on the record
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um it can't be the law says it can't be
self-created

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normally we see
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practical difficulties which have to do
with the dimensions of the lot or an

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easement that precludes certain things
that are not

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as a result of either the petitioner's
actions or the petitioner's desires so

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that's typically what we see
um you're asking me whether Financial is

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a so one of the items I brought up was
that in order to meet the ordinance they

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would have to build a smaller building
which would not be which would not make

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the parcel practicable if I if I am yeah
I don't know what that means I mean

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they'd have to explain that it's their
duty to explain why a two unit

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commercial building
I mean versus a three unit Why That's

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not viable I don't know what that means
so they'd have to explain that

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could you explain that further do you
have any any other items on that well

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and and for Mr awoya it is something
they mentioned in their application as

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well which is partially why I understand
but it's it's their burden so it's up to

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them to really explain it understood

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well guys I'm trying to do the best I
can do out there

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um you know originally we would have had
the space to put this building up but I

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had to give away some of the my original
lot because of the right away the

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roundabout for you guys
um I'm just trying to put something

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that's going to look good aesthetic and
um you know something that's going to be

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sustainable
you know at this point if we if it gets

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shrunk down there's no well it's
buildable

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and it's just that simple
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I mean
you know I if we go to if we go back to

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office and we it's gonna be the same
layout same parking space all I'm asking

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for is just a very interest for the all
one

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that's all I'm asking for
all right any other questions or

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comments or motions from the board given
the set of circumstances it presented

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for us here I would make a motion to
deny based on the lack of practical

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difficulty
all right motion by Mr de Bruin is there

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support

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I'll support all right supported by Mr
Koster is there any discussion

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uh hearing no discussion I will call the
roll Mr de Bruin yes Mr decoster yes Mr

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Piper yes Mr Chuck Phillips yes
Bush was denied uh or if motion was

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approved the variance was denied thank
you very much for coming in

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all right that moves us on to the next
item

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uh which is item eight new business I
don't believe any new business this

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evening Mr Box there's no new business
on the agenda but as we mentioned or you

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mentioned earlier
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typically at the first meeting of the
Year you guys would vote on on uh rolls

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for chairman Vice chair and secretary
being that we don't have five full-time

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members I I guess I would leave that up
to you guys to decide if you want to

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make those votes this evening or wait
until that position is filled and decide

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then and continue on with the the rules
you have now noting that Miss Lawson who

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has resigned from the board was one of
those rules

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and I believe that our alternates could
not vote in that particular I believe

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our bylaws I believe that's correct
and I guess Mr Box one of the questions

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I think we asked you this earlier but
I'll just clarify at this time there's

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no I don't believe there's anybody in a
board agenda that's public knowledge

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that is going to be appointed we're not
aware of anybody not that I'm aware of

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no so potentially we might have someone
in another month but we don't know that

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that's the case correct
all right

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um typically we talk one to another
before the board I know we didn't in

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this case
um I guess I would leave it up to the

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board I know I've been the chair I've
tried to pass it off before and no one's

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taken it I'm happy to do it again if we
want to do an election on this evening

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I'm happy if we want to wait for another
member

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um
I'm fine either way I would leave it up

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to up to the pleasure of the board I
would suggest to continue on as we're

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going for now with the present members
until we have a full bird that we can

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vote to figure out who the secretary
will be I think I agree with that and

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and just to make sure we're okay doing
that I know our bylaws say to do that to

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to do the first uh meeting of the year
but I'm assuming we don't have to follow

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that I I think given the resignation
Miss Slauson that that's caused to be

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able to deviate from the bylaws for this
very reason okay if it was just for no

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reason
then it'll be a little more Troublesome

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but yes but I think you have good cause
to do that at this time okay

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um Mr Koster do you want to hold off on
all appointments right now or just the

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secretary because I think we're in
consenting going going forward for now

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just just continue with our president
we're voting on at least one tonight

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but we can hold off in Secretary okay
that's fine I wonder if it makes sense

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to just
um make a motion and support it and vote

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on it to say that we're we're
maintaining interim as it stands

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um until such time as we have five
members and we can vote on it as a board

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if that's the way that I will make that
motion that we maintain our interim

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board as it stands until we have a full
five-member board to actually vote on

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David board support motion by Mr Piper
support by Mr de Bruin And to clarify

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that was to maintain
um our current officers with the

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exception of Mrs Lawson is gone as an
interim board any discussions to cost

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her good okay uh although uh I'm gonna
call a roll on this one uh Mr Piper yes

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Mr Coster yes Mr de Bruin yes Mr
tuckfields yes uh that motion passes uh

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and we will hold that until
we have a fifth member and I'm assuming

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Mr Box we can just add that to the
agenda whenever we whenever we get on

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this number okay
very good

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um uh we kind of took that a little bit
out of order but um it's probably fine

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item nine is public comments we have no
uh public uh this evening so I'm going

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to move on to zba member comments any
comments from the board this evening

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everybody Happy New Year
I have nothing just my normal do you

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know if we have a February meeting just
so I can plan I don't know off the top

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of my head just curious thank you seems
rehearsed

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I'm not sure if we knew at our last
meeting that Miss Lawson was stepping

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down I don't think we did no
um I would just like to mention her

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briefly um since we really didn't have a
chance to send her off

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um Dawn was on the board for as long as
I've been paying attention and I'm I

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actually I was talking to Charlie Oliver
on the Planning Commission I think the

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longest serving board members in order
contiguous Charlie might be longer as

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Nancy never as Charlie
and Dawn was actually longer than

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Charlie and shorter than Nancy when it
worked out so she's been serving on the

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zoning board appeals for a long time
certainly been here as long as I've been

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paying attention
I always appreciated her

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she was usually pretty quiet in the
meetings

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but when I would call her before or
after she put a lot of thought into what

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she did and I appreciate it she did it
for a long time

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we had some
uncomfortable uh years over the last

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decade with some of the other things
that happened in the township and there

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was a couple of us who we didn't always
have fun meetings with some of the other

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people who were on the board but she
stuck with it and she was professional

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and I really appreciate her being there
I know she had she had talked to me a

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little while ago she was considering
leaving and I told her you know make

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sure make sure you think about it you
don't don't want to keep you from going

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but we'd hate to lose you as well and uh
I guess I would just kind of say that

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I'm glad she is able to to stop if
that's what she wanted to do we'll miss

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her and uh I'll miss seeing her once
once a month and talking to her so

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um
not sure if congrats is the correct term

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for her but I think I think it was a job
well done and she put a lot of effort in

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and I'm I'm really happy she was here so
well said

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so I had for that unless there was any
other comments uh we will move on to

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planning director comments Mr Box
anything for us this evening nothing

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this evening all right uh Mr William I
know you're on the agenda but still like

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to ask you anything this evening nothing
at this time okay uh we'll move on then

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to item 12 which is German and emotions
I will make that motion motion by Mr

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Piper is their support or supported by
Mr de Bruin all those in favor to

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adjourn say aye aye aye all those posts
please say nay that motion carries and

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at 702 We Stand adjourned