[0:08] Hey, you probably seem like Doug drives.
[laughter]
[0:12] » All right, we've exited executive
session and we'll resume normal session.
[0:17] Amy, over to you, please.
[0:24] Resolution
[0:30] approving the payment of invoices for
the Madison County Auditor.
[0:33] » So moved.
>> Second.
[0:35] » First and a second. Any other
discussion?
[0:39] Hearing none. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Shay,
[0:42] » yes.
>> Dr. Sme, yes.
[0:43] » Mr. Wallace,
>> yes.
[0:45] » A resolution increasing appropriations
to the courthouse courthouse health
[0:49] insurance expense line in the amount of
$23,000.
[0:52] Second. Second. the first and a second.
Any discussion?
[0:58] There none. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Sh.
[1:01] » Yes.
>> Question.
[1:05] » A resolution approving the AP Ohio
annual aggravator registration
[1:09] application and giving Rob the authority
to sign that.
[1:13] » So move.
>> Second.
[1:15] » The first and a second. Any other
discussion?
[1:19] » None. Republics.
>> Mr. Sh.
[1:21] » Yes.
>> Dr. Sne. Yes. Mr. WS. Yes.
[1:25] » Resolution approving the Spalding's
epoxy floor coding code for the Mass
[1:29] County Planning and Zoning Office.
>> So moved. Second.
[1:32] » First and a second. Any discussion?
>> Hearing none. Roll call, please.
[1:38] » Mr. Sher,
>> yes.
[1:39] » Dr. Sme,
>> yes.
[1:40] » Mr. Wallace.
>> Yes.
[1:42] » A resolution approving an increase in
appropriations for vehicle acquisition.
[1:49] » [clears throat]
[laughter]
[1:51] » Second
and a second. Any other discussion?
[1:57] » Hearing none. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. S.
[1:59] » Yes. Dr.
>> Yes. Mr. Wallace.
[2:01] » Yes.
>> Resolution approving the bid award for
[2:04] the Lewis Road
over Springport Bridge project. Some
[2:10] move.
>> Second.
[2:12] » First and a second. Any other
discussion?
[2:15] Hearing none. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Sha,
[2:19] » yes.
>> Dr. Sme,
[2:20] » yes.
>> Mr. Wallace,
[2:21] » yes.
>> A resolution approving travel for
[2:23] Madison County Board of Elections.
>> So moved. Second. The
[2:28] » first in a second. Any other discussion?
>> Hearing none. Roll call, please.
[2:33] » Mr. Sh.
>> Yes.
[2:35] » Dr. Z.
>> Yes.
[2:36] » Mr. Walls.
>> Yes.
[2:37] » A resolution approving budget revisions
to the Mass County Family and Children
[2:41] First Council and Department of Family
and Children.
[2:43] » So moved. Second. First and the second
and then the discussion
[2:50] hearing. None for 12 minutes.
>> Mr.
[2:53] » Yes.
>> Dr.
[2:54] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[2:59] » Thank you.
[3:13] » Let's just check.
>> Yeah. I don't know if that one
[3:51] what they look like. It's interesting
how
[3:55] we can come on
except period of time
[4:04] that stress [clears throat]
[4:08] that happen.
[4:24] I always
program because you're locked in.
[4:30] There's nothing
[4:34] right,
[4:56] » right?
>> Hey, there's one table,
[4:58] right?
You're
[5:16] [clears throat]
[5:21] [clears throat]
[5:28] choosing
[5:34] watch a lot of football this weekend. Oh
yeah,
[5:40] Wednesday
[5:48] Christmas.
[6:21] Gentlemen, gentlemen up front, would you
be so kind as to vacate for those
[6:25] gentlemen?
>> Oh, I see.
[6:29] » Not both of them. I guess one of you
[6:36] » could you move please
>> being
[6:57] thank you for coming in. Sure appreciate
it. Thank you. Thanks for having us.
[7:07] Jason is the expert on FAA funding. So
we'll gohead and make your presentation.
[7:12] » Yeah. Very good. Yeah. What's happening?
>> Yeah. I think it's been it's been three
[7:15] or four years since I came here at the
airport before. Uh at that time we were
[7:19] asking for the grant match for an FA
funded project to completely reconstruct
[7:23] a parallel taxi way. That project's
obviously done and complete. Uh since
[7:27] then the airport's done a couple other
projects. We just finished last week uh
[7:31] repaving all the aircraft parking areas,
the apron that was done with the ODOT
[7:34] aviation fund. So that's done. Um with
that tax project, we also did all the
[7:39] tax lighting. So it's essentially a new
airport as far as the runway, the taxi
[7:44] way, the paving, the lighting, all that
that work is done. Um also earlier in
[7:49] the spring, we finished the paving using
FAA funds for the next 10 unit T hanger.
[7:55] That's the picture there on the handout.
So, the paving is done, ready to go to
[7:59] build the next building that will house
10 aircraft. That's what we're here to
[8:04] talk about today. Uh the design for that
is underway. That's also funded by FA
[8:09] grant for the design. Uh that grant came
about two months ago. So, we're off off
[8:14] to working on that. Uh and we'll be
ready to bid it when funding is
[8:17] available. And that's really what we
want to talk about today. Um, so last
[8:22] time we were here, we were asking for
that the grant match for a project that
[8:25] did not directly return revenue. It was
a construction capital project, uh, a
[8:31] pavement, but what we're talking about
today is a a building project that will
[8:34] will bring revenue to the airport,
obvious to the county. Uh, so 10un
[8:40] hanger, similar to the other 10 unit T
hangers that are out there. Now, um,
[8:44] just kind of go through this handout
high level here. you know, estimated
[8:48] construction cost about 925,000
uh based on a project that we did a
[8:53] couple months ago with Neil Armstrong
Airport.
[8:56] A reminder, the FA grant program as we
go into fiscal year 27,
[9:01] we anticipate 90% FAA, 5% state, no
Aviation, and then 5% local. Uh so based
[9:08] on that estimated cost, obviously we've
not bid it yet. uh we expect a local
[9:13] share of around 46,250
but again depending how the bids come
[9:16] in. Uh so the amount of money that the
airport has available uh at the end of
[9:22] this month fiscal year 27 that starts
October 1st uh they had their last year
[9:27] of infrastructure build funds that was a
5-year uh program that ends at the end
[9:33] of the month. So they'll have $137,000
available uh left in that program
[9:39] federal share which with the state local
matches with about 152,000
[9:44] and then their FA entitlement funds
that's the 150,000 per year that the
[9:49] airport has for capital projects those
have been rolled uh a little over two
[9:54] years you can see there's 419 603 fed
that becomes 466 approximately
[10:01] so the bottom line after October 1st
First, the airport will have
[10:04] approximately $618,000
of grant funds with the state and local
[10:09] matches available for the construction
of the 10 unit T hanger.
[10:15] So, obviously that's a little less than
anticipated cost. The next next line
[10:19] there shows that about 306,000.
Again, based on estimates, uh we won't
[10:25] have the bids until until next year,
next spring. Um, so that's that's where
[10:31] we're at financially with this project.
And then kind of to summarize the last
[10:35] sentence there, you know, without
additional funding, the airport's going
[10:38] to have to roll funds at least one or
two more years uh into the future to be
[10:43] able to have the total the total package
available.
[10:47] Um, so what we're
proposing or asking is if it would be a
[10:52] potential to uh secure a loan uh to be
able to build this project sooner and
[10:57] then pay it back with 28 and 29 grant
funds. Um, what that would do is allow
[11:04] to be completed two year approximately
two years earlier. Um, so on the second
[11:08] page kind of there in the middle just
kind of throwing some numbers at it. You
[11:12] know, if we assume an occupancy of June
1st 28th,
[11:17] knowing that they won't get the FA
grants until late 27, typically we see
[11:20] grants in July, August.
So, by the time we got the building
[11:25] built with approximately 9 month lead
time currently on building packages that
[11:30] we're seeing, I've assumed an occupancy
of 6128.
[11:34] I've been told the rent will be
projected to be 250 a month, 10 units.
[11:39] So, ignore our fuel sales. Let's say
it's full. I know there's some
[11:42] assumptions there, but 2500 a month. So
over that 24 months of being able to to
[11:48] build it early if [clears throat] if
funding's available, approximately
[11:52] 60,000 again ignoring fuel sales, which
is actually more than the total local
[11:58] share required of 5% for the
construction project.
[12:03] Uh so what we're what we're saying there
is that hopefully in that two years,
[12:06] we'll be able to move quicker to
construction. we could essentially pay
[12:10] back uh in that two years both the loan
and the local share to where moving
[12:16] forward uh be 100% revenue or profit for
the rent on the building. Uh and again
[12:23] important to keep keep in mind that's an
estimate. So
[12:26] kind of went through just the summary
now. Um you know we're able to obtain
[12:30] loan commitment of a little over
$300,000 again depending how the bids
[12:34] come in. uh the the goal will be able to
pay it back in 24 to 30 months with the
[12:39] two 28 29 grants and then also in the
revenue generated over that two years of
[12:46] earlier construction be able to also pay
back at least or more than the local
[12:51] share of the entire project that point
making at no cost to the county and then
[12:56] increased revenue thereafter. So
that's kind of the high level summary of
[13:01] of where we're at. As of today, we're on
hold on construction because of that
[13:06] shortfall. Just looking for a way to be
able to expedite construction to have it
[13:10] available to tenants to to move in and
pay rent and buy fuel sales. And if
[13:17] we're not able to move forward, uh we'll
just have to roll funds at least one
[13:20] year, maybe two, and then construct
construct in the future. So, just wanted
[13:25] to come in and talk about that. See if
you had any questions or ideas on how we
[13:29] could potentially expedite this
construction.
[13:32] um and then pay back.
>> Are those uh 282.9
[13:37] grants guaranteed?
>> That's a great question. Uh they it
[13:43] depends on if Congress changes
something. In my career, which is
[13:47] getting pretty long, it's it's been
there every year, but I can't say it's
[13:52] guaranteed. Um got entitlement funds.
It's been $150,000 federal uh for more
[14:00] than 15 years. There's been no changes
to the program. I would not anticipate
[14:04] it changing, but again, if Congress were
to change something, that could change.
[14:09] » Is there a big need for the 10 extra
room?
[14:13] » They fill up pretty quickly. We had 10
new hangers. They would rent out almost
[14:19] immediately. And the pilots who would go
in there typically spend more on fuel
[14:24] than they spend on rent. So, you get not
only the rent, but also the fuel sales.
[14:28] So, it's a good one. And I've ignored
the fuel sales. You know, it varies what
[14:33] the profit would be. It's kind of hard
to come up with a number, but that's a
[14:37] good point that not only is it the rent,
it's the fuel sales. And it also looks
[14:41] good for the FA. You have additional
based aircraft. That's something that
[14:45] they look at when they determine where
funding goes is how many aircraft are at
[14:48] your airport. So, if we wanted to expand
the runway in the future, make it longer
[14:52] so to accommodate more commercial
traffic. In fact, we would have a lot of
[14:56] activity there. now looks good to be a
for future planning purposes.
[15:02] » That's the biggest question I get is,
you know,
[15:05] » if I and I don't know anything about
planes or aviation, but you know, for
[15:09] bigger planes to land in that area,
>> right?
[15:13] » Right. Yeah. Eventually, it would be
nice to add another,000 ft to the runway
[15:17] because it could have
>> Wasn't there a problem with the
[15:19] buildings being too close to the runway
that's there now? Uh well the the
[15:24] terminal is a little close to them. We
may still be able to expand the runway
[15:30] terminal where it is or they may pay the
SA may offer to relocate the terminal at
[15:34] some point. They've done that with some
airports.
[15:37] So that's a possibility too.
>> So there is an avenue without building a
[15:42] whole new runway,
>> right?
[15:44] » Yes.
>> Yeah, for sure. Um now you're currently
[15:47] at 4,000 ft. uh it can accommodate small
corporate aircraft, corporate jets, u
[15:53] but really anything on the larger side
would prefer 5,000 ft. It's kind of a
[15:58] magic number in aviation.
Yeah, cuz when I when I was I asked that
[16:03] question years ago, they somebody said,
"Well, we'd have to build a new runway."
[16:09] And that's not the case is what you're
saying.
[16:12] » Yeah. The current airport layout plan,
which is a guiding document into the
[16:16] future, does not show any shift or
relocation of the runway.
[16:22] » That's good to know.
>> Can you put larger planes down like just
[16:26] the weather has to be exactly perfect to
land on that 4,000 something?
[16:29] » The weight, the fuel load, the
temperature, all that dry.
[16:33] » So, you can technically you can do it
now, but
[16:36] » you could got to be perfect.
>> I've seen large golf string juice 4,000
[16:40] ft. So it it can be done under the right
conditions,
[16:44] » which I remember. [laughter]
>> I've seen it done. So there was at least
[16:49] one day it was okay.
>> Yeah,
[16:52] » and they they really want to get in
there, of course. But
[16:55] » um
>> I don't have a problem with uh doing
[16:59] this because I think the value we're
going to get we're going to get paid
[17:02] back hopefully.
>> Yeah. So that's what I was going to ask
[17:05] um on the payback. So, are you
envisioning a loan from the county
[17:11] through the treasur's office with a with
interest or are you looking more for
[17:18] just the county to pay for it and then
when the grant comes in be reimbured?
[17:22] » The second one sounds better.
>> I like the first one better.
[17:26] » Two two things on. So, the FA won't pay
for interest. So, they he would only get
[17:31] back whatever the construction belongs
to. So, however that would work out
[17:34] internally on interest, I'm not sure.
The other thing I didn't hit on is with
[17:39] the grant for construction likely not
being issued until July, August of 27.
[17:46] And with that, right now, we're looking
at 9 month lead time on these creep
[17:49] steel buildings. Uh the vast majority of
the cost would not be incurred till
[17:54] calendar year 28. So, that helps from
some sort of budgetary. I know a lot of
[17:59] times uh with these projects that cross
fiscal years
[18:05] um the agencies are able to kind of
split that from a budgetary standpoint
[18:09] say okay well I'll get this much this
year we know the majority is going to be
[18:13] in the next year but we want to grab
some and then have the back fill on the
[18:16] back end. So if that helps, uh the vast
majority of this construction cost would
[18:20] occur in calendar year 28 just due to
timing of the FA grant coming late 27
[18:27] and then that approximate 9 months to
get the building. Like I said, all the
[18:31] paving, the grading, drainage is all
done. We basically have a rectangle of
[18:35] dirt that we're ready to build this
building inside the pavement, make the
[18:39] connections, and be ready to go. So,
>> so reimbursement to the general fund is
[18:45] the preferred route
>> and and with the timing by the time we
[18:49] incur construction cost in 28 this
fiscal year 28 grant that we show as the
[18:54] first payback variable may be available
to where from a cash flow standpoint
[19:00] it's not 306,000. It may be closer to
the 140 because you may capture that
[19:05] about the same time you owe the
contractor the money. Uh so if that
[19:10] helps as well, um the payback time may
be closer to 12 or 14 months between
[19:17] getting the 28 grant and then the 29 is
the final payback and we can apply for
[19:22] that 29 the day the first day of fiscal
year 29. That likely won't come until
[19:27] later in fiscal year 29th, but
can definitely expedite the
[19:32] applications. Then we'll be at the mercy
dev bay to get the grants
[19:36] » and the local share amount the 46,250
that will be returned as well. You
[19:41] anticipate that being returned?
>> The way the way that it's kind of
[19:44] spelled out here is that's essentially
returned in the revenue from occupancy
[19:50] and if if it were to be fully occupied
we would have that paid back in less
[19:54] than two years. Yeah, that paid point
for the county
[19:58] » that point it would be
all direct revenue or profit for the
[20:03] [clears throat] rest of the duration of
the building.
[20:07] » Is the 250 monthly rent is that
comparable to other facilities? I mean
[20:13] given the cost of the aircraft I mean it
sounds slow to you know
[20:18] » it does. Now I believe your others are
225 or 250 235 ones. So then we were
[20:24] projecting by the time we got to this
beef bill, it would likely be escalated
[20:28] to 250 is where that number came from.
>> We do periodically compare the rents to
[20:34] other comparable airports and we're
usually right in the reasonable zone.
[20:38] where they
you know being it's bigger in a big city
[20:42] like Columbus or something like that or
also the size of the hanger the large
[20:45] box hangers will typically be several
hundred a month but for the small tea
[20:50] hangers that that's reasonable based on
what we're seeing at other airports
[20:56] but that I guess to probably take what
you're thinking further without the epic
[21:00] grant program there's no way to cash
this this structure it just doesn't work
[21:05] even a 40-year payback
>> but when you can it, you know, with the
[21:09] 95 and five, you spend $1 locally, you
get 19 back from FA State, then it
[21:15] actually can can make sense financially.
But to just go build it with 100% local
[21:20] funds, you can't charge enough rent to
to make it work, unfortunately.
[21:25] » But it sounds like the demand is there.
So, what what would they go if
[21:29] » and I think you guys are in a good spot
to be able to pull base aircraft out of
[21:33] Columbus because it could be slightly
cheaper and less congestion for pilots.
[21:39] Um, I mean, you guys are so close that I
can definitely see pulling some based
[21:44] aircraft from the Columbus area out this
way. And that's part of the business
[21:50] model for the smaller county airports is
that by offering fuel and hangers
[21:55] somewhat more reasonably than they would
be in an urban environment. We do get
[22:00] some tracker in those places that our
pilots can fly out from Columbus to fill
[22:04] their tanks here. uh they wouldn't do
that if we charge as much as they did
[22:08] for Columbus or something like that.
It's the same way to Angus. We're a
[22:12] little bit more reasonable than they
would be in Columbus or Cincinnati. And
[22:16] that's why we get some of that traffic.
Not all of the planes that are based
[22:20] here are necessarily county residents.
Some of those are people who live in
[22:24] dorms, but it's worthwhile for them to
fly out here for more affordable gas and
[22:30] hanger storage.
>> Are you guys full now?
[22:33] I think we're full except for maybe just
a couple of the older structures that
[22:37] don't have doors on. Those aren't as
popular. So, just about everything else
[22:41] is
where you usually when an opening comes
[22:46] up, it usually gets stored pretty
quickly.
[22:52] » Very good.
>> I have no issues.
[22:58] » Very good. We get our own barbecue
restaurant. [clears throat]
[23:02] » That' be nice.
>> Any questions on this project or
[23:07] anything we've been doing the last few
years or anything I can answer while I'm
[23:10] here?
>> I don't think I have any questions.
[23:14] Okay. Appreciate you gentlemen coming
in.
[23:16] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. Appreciate your time. Thank
[23:18] you.
[23:36] Right. Anybody anything for open
session?
[23:40] » Something.
>> Oh, sure.
[23:42] » Uh, so last Thursday was our farmland
preservation plan kickoff meeting and it
[23:46] was well attended. I thought it went
very well. I just want to give some of
[23:51] the highlights from it. Uh Amanda took
great notes at the bottom, but basically
[23:57] what I kind of liked about it was uh
communities that participate in the
[24:01] planning are more likely to achieve the
results they want to see. And I really
[24:06] like that message to the group. Um the
consultant asked, you know, what are
[24:12] some of the questions you're getting
from your constituents?
[24:16] And you know some example questions are
the rate of growth from plain city and
[24:20] can schools have the capacity to handle
this growth. What does water and sewer
[24:27] expansion mean to the county? Um
transmission lines a little bit
[24:32] discussion on that. Sometimes residents
gets letters before the council of
[24:35] trustees do and then just discussing how
can we as a county township get this
[24:41] information so we can help residents
understand when they get these letters.
[24:46] um
and this kind of general discuss I think
[24:50] you can understand one thing I wanted
you had that other section and one
[24:55] comment that was made is we want to make
sure we don't exclude most of the
[24:59] population and I'm like well if I were
to read this in the minutes what does
[25:02] that mean exclude most of the population
and the conversation was talking about
[25:08] this as a quality of life issue because
not everybody has a farmland or lives on
[25:13] a farm or involved with farming but with
people are affected by this plan because
[25:18] of quality of life. So, one thing we
think about going forward is making sure
[25:23] we don't unintentionally
disengage people because we call it a
[25:27] farmland preservation plan process. Um,
so I can kind of talk about quality of
[25:33] life and then the metrics for measuring
success was an interesting discussion
[25:37] because it's like how do we know if
we're going in the direction that we
[25:40] want to go. So like one example was our
um GBP [clears throat]
[25:44] for agriculture which is an economic
term that I don't really know about but
[25:49] and economic vitality and our a
retailers and seed dealers things like
[25:55] that the industries that support
agriculture are they thriving are they
[25:58] doing well? So just kind of discussing
what will a successful plan look like
[26:03] and how do we measure that in five
years. So it's a really good uh engaged
[26:08] discussion. The consultant kind of said
to me afterwards like, "Huh, this is the
[26:12] kind of group that does want to work on
some issues. I can kind of coach you
[26:16] about how to do some sub meetings to
kind of get to anything deeper." Um, so
[26:21] they're very pleased with the engagement
that happened. I know a couple of you
[26:26] were there. You have anything you want
to add to that? But that's just the high
[26:29] level kick up.
>> Well, that that pretty well recaps it. I
[26:35] thought it went well. It was good to see
as you said a number of people from the
[26:37] community, different backgrounds,
different industries there to engage in
[26:42] the process. No, I thought the first
meeting went very well
[26:47] than you thought.
[26:53] [laughter]
[26:56] » Yeah, appreciate that. Anything else,
folks?
[26:59] » Oh, this Thursday is our customer
appreciation day after water county
[27:03] engineers building. It does call for
rain right now, but I think that's only
[27:07] in the morning. So, please come out in
the afternoon and six o'cst.
[27:14] [clears throat]
[27:24] We [clears throat] can't do that.
>> All right. Very good,
[27:28] » ladies. Gentlemen, anything else?
[27:33] » Second. Meeting adjourns.