1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,259 okay yeah okay uh it's 6 30 I think we've got 2 00:00:04,980 --> 00:00:09,620 everybody here so let's go ahead and get started 3 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:22,320 all right looks like we do have a quorum everyone's present tonight 4 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:28,400 uh we need to uh review the agenda and see if there need to be any changes 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,400 it's nice to see a short one 6 00:00:31,859 --> 00:00:36,660 yeah we've forgotten yeah 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,020 did anyone see any need to change the agenda 8 00:00:37,860 --> 00:00:44,399 okay can I have a motion to approve the agenda 9 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:49,739 moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye any opposed 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:54,420 thank you all right we need to take a quick look at the minutes from October 11 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:59,960 19th make any changes or 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,960 revisions in those 13 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:17,060 foreign 14 00:01:29,540 --> 00:01:34,460 see any need to make a correction on those 15 00:01:37,619 --> 00:01:46,380 uh if not can I have a motion to approve the minutes 16 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:53,060 moved any second moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye any opposed 17 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:53,060 thank you 18 00:01:53,759 --> 00:02:03,600 all right uh the public hearing we have one case tonight as always 19 00:01:59,540 --> 00:02:08,099 we will read through the case get response from legan for any questions 20 00:02:05,659 --> 00:02:14,280 the applicant will have an opportunity to speak to the Planning Commission and 21 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:17,420 there will be time for public comment after that 22 00:02:17,459 --> 00:02:25,680 case number su-01-23-1 [Music] 23 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:30,959 rooted Land Company LLC Mr Zachary Whitman has applied for a special use 24 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:34,920 permit to operate six short-term rental units on two adjoining Parcels which he 25 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:41,220 owns the two Parcels combined contain roughly 26 00:02:37,819 --> 00:02:48,300 257 acres and are identified on Madison County's tax maps as 27 00:02:44,060 --> 00:02:55,200 37-7c and 37-11 the 100 Acre parcel 28 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:59,340 37-7c is zoned A1 Agriculture and in this zoning District more than one 29 00:02:57,060 --> 00:03:05,940 short-term rental on a single parcel requires a special use permit 30 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:11,120 currently this parcel contains one by right three bedroom short-term rental 31 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:17,420 unit and an additional three bedroom short-term rental unit is proposed 32 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:25,379 the adjoining 157 acre parcel 37-11 is split Zone C1 conservation and 33 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:30,300 A1 Agriculture and a special use permit is required for more than one short-term 34 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:36,180 rental unit on a single parcel currently this parcel is undeveloped but 35 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:41,159 four short-terminal units are proposed the four short-term rental units would 36 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:44,400 be a three bedroom unit and three one bedroom units 37 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:50,239 the subject Parcels are located on graves Mill Road route 662. 38 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:59,340 the existing dwelling located on parcel 37-7c contains a postal address of 2410 39 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Graves Mill Road Madison Virginia all right leaving anything to add on 40 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:07,140 that no I'll um so 41 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:11,000 there is an existing one can I go to 42 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 um 43 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:15,260 can I get control of this right here 44 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,120 I was just going to go to 45 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,780 there you go 46 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:52,199 so if if you look at a little hatch line 47 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:55,380 so this Graves milled to the left that's where the existing dwelling that that 48 00:04:53,940 --> 00:05:01,979 that's the one you know you see like with the candy cane that's with existing 49 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:05,699 and then it would the three bedroom at the very North the very top you see the 50 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:09,240 green line the red that would be roughly where and that's 51 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,660 where our Park site is that's with a three bedroom unit so that 52 00:05:10,979 --> 00:05:18,960 parcel would have two units got an existing one and a 53 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:23,940 second one that's what 100 Acre parcel and then if you go to the net and if you 54 00:05:20,940 --> 00:05:27,900 go to the next page if you come down keep scrolling down 55 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:31,500 you can actually go back up you can go back up 56 00:05:29,220 --> 00:05:37,740 so if you look right keep going up on the next parcel itself 57 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:42,600 you see those keep can go back down right there so that's the 157 acre 58 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:47,880 parcel that's to the South joins 59 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:53,340 it'd be a the first one red you know Red Dot would be a three bedroom 60 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:58,259 and those three clustered together would be 61 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:03,300 three one bedrooms now they all have he has all the perk 62 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:07,199 sites and everything for each one um 63 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:12,000 it's really it's really requesting for short-term rental we say six I don't see 64 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:17,220 any problem with advertising for six but one would be right by right on each 65 00:06:14,340 --> 00:06:22,139 parcel but we still we just sort of said we just said six not that's anything 66 00:06:19,259 --> 00:06:26,100 wrong with that but um three 67 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,520 of the of the short-term units that are 68 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:34,440 proposed I'm saying that they would be 69 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,440 manufactured 70 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:42,000 what they call part Park Model Park Park Model RV is that right three of them so 71 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:45,960 it's three clustered right together and you got a visual 72 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,680 and those would be on a septic all be hooked into a septic they'd be within 73 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:52,500 close proximity to each other nothing you know there's nothing wrong 74 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,440 with as far as a building official we talked to Jamie 75 00:06:53,880 --> 00:07:01,139 about that that's fine that's what Madison bonds has just FYI they have a 76 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:05,039 park model but I mean like Park like you're parking it it's not really 77 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:09,780 something that is you move around a lot and it can be put on a permanent 78 00:07:06,780 --> 00:07:14,639 foundation you can bring electric to it the only thing it's just not meant for 79 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:19,919 full-time living as long as it's you know a short-term rental or a 80 00:07:16,699 --> 00:07:25,199 non-full-time use they're quite nice and again 81 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:31,319 Madison bond has some units like this so you know my feeling is I mean we've been 82 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:35,580 to a lot of short-term rentals hearings lately is 83 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,780 this is obviously it's got one active one now on the 84 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:42,900 combined it actually owns 300 acres a little over 300 there's another parcel 85 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:48,120 that's not part of this request that he owns but 86 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:54,000 I think the scale is um kind of more 87 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:57,900 uh what we maybe are comfortable with a little easier so this is you know six of 88 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,660 that 200 some Acres um 89 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:05,639 VDOT doesn't really have a lot of comments 90 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:11,400 um there's a couple access points in in there on graves Mill there's a couple 91 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,380 different access points um 92 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:16,979 I'll let Zachary can you have any questions for 93 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,800 him you can ask him but other than that um 94 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,340 a few things that tie together before this would be 95 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:27,000 January 4th hearings we got another month 96 00:08:25,259 --> 00:08:31,199 um and that'll that's it any questions for 97 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:39,080 me about this one or like what are those uh other white 98 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,080 blocks that you've got up there 99 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:46,459 yeah I think those are identifying textbooks those little white yeah okay 100 00:08:44,099 --> 00:08:51,720 yeah so this um 101 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:57,420 so the access points the one that's down there off of uh Berry Mountain Road I 102 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:00,959 guess is there a uh an easement there's one a Roadies 103 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:06,200 meant one to that one right there because it looks like it's going through 104 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,200 two pieces of other pieces of property 105 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:13,880 the first the first easement I mean the first access right 106 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,580 yes 107 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,000 so yeah 108 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:39,420 behind bird Mountain Road or I'm sandwiching between Barry and Drake's 109 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:43,740 Mills if you're coming down Drake's Miller's Hollow back to the left the 110 00:09:41,459 --> 00:09:48,899 first step down below uh to the right there if there's an old bridge shouldn't 111 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:53,279 be back on it before I did okay Ben Jim's hated for seven years that's it's 112 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,899 that parcel right down right next to Estes is my neighbor oh okay yeah I 113 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:02,459 don't know where it is the other question maybe what are we 114 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:06,680 seeing those three Parcels that are together right there what's that piece 115 00:10:04,019 --> 00:10:06,680 of land grown 116 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,019 now we'll pull up 117 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:21,260 I did not like this handy yeah I got it 118 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:28,200 God I can't stand this so 119 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:33,500 that parcel is right here the the cabins are right in here it's a 120 00:10:30,540 --> 00:10:33,500 it's a1c1 121 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:37,279 the green right there 122 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,380 yeah right is that right is that right in here 123 00:11:00,420 --> 00:11:08,899 three Park mobile homes and then the other two 124 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,899 would be the state built three bedroom 125 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:17,100 one guy would that require three Anchor Street 126 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:19,640 yeah but he's got it yes right that's what that's what 127 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:29,899 we're all of them together 128 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:37,980 it's a lot set back that's what I was asking 129 00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:42,959 yeah I mean uh the uh you don't have to put on a separate parcel I mean the 130 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:47,339 setbacks we don't require that they have to be that just have to be out the 131 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:52,920 property line you know 125 feet from sides 50 from the rear 132 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:56,940 um as far as their cluster I mean the building thistle just 133 00:11:54,180 --> 00:12:02,279 requires they be so many feet apart for fire protection but I don't see 134 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:05,100 doing this as any kind of issue with the zoning ordinance 135 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:10,680 um so all three of them can be on three 136 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:14,339 acres or one acre or whatever yeah yeah I mean I unless you have some concern 137 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,459 about it there's nothing in a code to me that 138 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:21,899 you know they're yeah I mean I I'm not aware of anything 139 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,800 I mean um unless you see something that would 140 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,800 be like I said the building Fisher wants a certain amount of Separation but I 141 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:33,920 mean they'll probably be what 20 30 feet apart 142 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:33,920 I mean at minimum 143 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:45,440 three legal reasons 144 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,940 the main road right there the mouse is serving over that's one of 145 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:53,240 these 24K 146 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:08,279 they'll all be installed so you're basically looking at a single entrance 147 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:13,200 off of Grace Mill Road then and then branching off yeah okay yep you 148 00:13:11,579 --> 00:13:19,040 actually have he has two entrances but one will be the primary entrance 149 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,040 uh 150 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:27,540 yeah but these are the ones that are intended to service the short-term 151 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,019 rentals the ones that are shown here yeah 152 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:36,420 yes um 153 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:41,880 I think I know but I'll explain your rationale for 154 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,620 clustering the three units septic power 155 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:45,620 um 156 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:52,200 and just remember where all the Italians are 157 00:13:50,459 --> 00:13:56,700 one those are one bedrooms so they only have one car as well 158 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:01,740 so everything could be compacted right there in one location so each each one 159 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:07,380 of the tiny homes will not have multiple Vehicles 160 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:15,120 so in one bathroom but it's mainly clustering to 161 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:18,920 limit the septic system to one serving three right and Road 162 00:14:20,779 --> 00:14:28,160 Lincoln since we're obviously going with the Africa now I want you to give you 163 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,160 the mic so yeah 164 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:42,000 any other questions for the applicant yes well this is probably for League can 165 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:46,079 one septic field uh serve three of these yeah I mean we have to have three 166 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:49,760 bedroom septic if it's but yeah they could do that people people do that 167 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,000 same thing that's right 168 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:04,019 these all three look like they're right along the tree line where the 169 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:09,839 slope starts going up along that River Valley there correct I assume that's the 170 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:13,500 Rapidan there right uh if the rapid in there's also a smaller Creek negative as 171 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,860 well well we can't see that on this and it'll it'll be on great of course and 172 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:19,519 we'll go in and do dirt work to each one of the sides but 173 00:15:26,699 --> 00:15:29,720 any other question 174 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:34,579 on your your three single bedroom 175 00:15:34,740 --> 00:15:40,019 I guess I'll call them manufactured homes because I noticed that we don't 176 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:45,120 actually have a mobile home definition in our ordinance 177 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:49,639 are those going to be placed on permanent foundation correct yes sir yes 178 00:15:47,339 --> 00:15:49,639 okay 179 00:15:50,660 --> 00:15:56,180 look at how much land is being disturbed for this project 180 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:02,279 well you already have a road it goes back to that one 181 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:05,639 the it already pretty much is a road there's an existing farmer that goes to 182 00:16:03,899 --> 00:16:09,779 each side right we're gonna we're gonna gravel it and probably put in a couple 183 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:14,459 of small culverts and then it would just be the footprint for each one of the 184 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:18,600 yeah so Maybe if it's all done at once 185 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:22,680 you might have each separate part maybe 10 you know it 186 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:27,199 might be a little less than an acre total not even I would even say it even 187 00:16:24,839 --> 00:16:27,199 acre 188 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:40,560 and this doesn't actually have anything to do with it but knowing that stretch 189 00:16:37,380 --> 00:16:44,339 of the river up there in that terrain uh it looks like your entrance does cross 190 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:49,199 the river right correct it does yeah I assume you have a large Bridge of some 191 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:53,399 kind where we're in the process of installing a new VDOT 100 000 pound 192 00:16:51,540 --> 00:16:55,579 Bridge foreign 193 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:06,439 [Music] any other question for the applicant 194 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:19,020 pretty straightforward I got one so just for for the applicant 195 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:24,240 so you know we recently changed uh the way I see this map 196 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:29,820 um all six units are going to be serviced by a portion of the the 197 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:36,660 driveway off of uh Graves Mill Road correct so we passed not too long ago uh 198 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:43,820 you can have six units on a private Drive which this equals six except for 199 00:17:40,919 --> 00:17:51,900 the fact that the park model RVs obviously could be removed 200 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:58,860 with some ease if you ever wanted down the line to to switch it out and build 201 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:03,900 regular family homes in there but they would have to go yes sir okay yeah and 202 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:09,900 that's part of the logic as well in case gotcha something doesn't work all right 203 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:16,559 I think it's incumbent upon all of us to let applicants know what they're getting 204 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:22,460 into sometimes okay that's all I got mm-hmm 205 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,460 any other questions for the applicant 206 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:26,900 be public comment 207 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:40,380 great but I'll address these comments 208 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:45,320 commission not to Mr Whitman but Mr Whitman uh not in my backyard crew will 209 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:54,140 be old yeah Mike would you come up to the Mike 210 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,140 foreign 211 00:18:58,860 --> 00:19:06,539 I mean so have you talked to your neighbors have you I mean anybody 212 00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:09,179 there'll be a hundred people in here I don't know about 100 but there's a bunch 213 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:13,620 of people in here and they will influence 214 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,559 not only the Planning Commission they will try to influence the board of 215 00:19:15,299 --> 00:19:21,600 supervisor uh I I think that you should uh 216 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:25,679 especially when you're running through easements 217 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:29,760 you know you you probably need to really make sure that you can do what you want 218 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:33,720 to do through somebody else's problem uh 219 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:39,539 when does the sign go up Mr Webb um I'll wait till probably 220 00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:45,770 middle of December uh sometime just because it won't be till January 4th 221 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,900 so sometimes and you you want that [Music] 222 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:56,940 they want this they need to come to the meeting on January 4th 223 00:19:53,580 --> 00:20:01,380 understood and have you talked to anybody from the Piedmont environmental 224 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:07,260 Council no I don't know I would advise you to do that just to be they're aware 225 00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:10,700 at least they're aware that you're going to do this and cross a string 226 00:20:10,919 --> 00:20:17,059 thank you thank you 227 00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:17,059 any other public comment 228 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:34,860 all right if not thank you for your application uh are there any additional 229 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:37,820 items uh from the Planning Commission or from the public 230 00:20:42,179 --> 00:20:48,900 if not can I have a motion for adjournment 231 00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:51,919 a second moved and seconded all in favor say uh okay 232 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,820 [Laughter] tip 233 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,200 go home and have dinner with your wife 234 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,580 yeah yes Dan 235 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,419 why you're early 236 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,940 oh okay you don't need one for being early okay yeah 237 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:24,660 made any all in favor say aye aye any opposed 238 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:30,620 there you go it was a a valid point 239 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,620 thank you