[0:00] okay yeah
okay uh it's 6 30 I think we've got
[0:04] everybody here so let's go ahead and get
started
[0:12] all right looks like we do have a quorum
everyone's present tonight
[0:17] uh we need to uh review the agenda and
see if there need to be any changes
[0:24] it's nice to see a short one
[0:31] yeah
we've forgotten yeah
[0:34] did anyone see any need to change the
agenda
[0:37] okay can I have a motion to approve the
agenda
[0:42] moved and seconded all in favor say aye
aye any opposed
[0:47] thank you all right we need to take a
quick look at the minutes from October
[0:52] 19th
make any changes or
[0:56] revisions in those
[1:14] foreign
[1:29] see any need to make a correction on
those
[1:37] uh if not can I have a motion to approve
the minutes
[1:42] moved any second moved and seconded all
in favor say aye aye any opposed
[1:50] thank you
[1:53] all right uh the public hearing we have
one case tonight as always
[1:59] we will read through the case get
response from legan for any questions
[2:05] the applicant will have an opportunity
to speak to the Planning Commission and
[2:12] there will be time for public comment
after that
[2:17] case number su-01-23-1
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[2:22] rooted Land Company LLC Mr Zachary
Whitman has applied for a special use
[2:28] permit to operate six short-term rental
units on two adjoining Parcels which he
[2:34] owns
the two Parcels combined contain roughly
[2:37] 257 acres and are identified on Madison
County's tax maps as
[2:44] 37-7c and 37-11
the 100 Acre parcel
[2:50] 37-7c is zoned A1 Agriculture and in
this zoning District more than one
[2:57] short-term rental on a single parcel
requires a special use permit
[3:02] currently this parcel contains one by
right three bedroom short-term rental
[3:08] unit and an additional three bedroom
short-term rental unit is proposed
[3:14] the adjoining 157 acre parcel
37-11 is split Zone C1 conservation and
[3:22] A1 Agriculture and a special use permit
is required for more than one short-term
[3:27] rental unit on a single parcel
currently this parcel is undeveloped but
[3:33] four short-terminal units are proposed
the four short-term rental units would
[3:38] be a three bedroom unit and three one
bedroom units
[3:42] the subject Parcels are located on
graves Mill Road route 662.
[3:47] the existing dwelling located on parcel
37-7c contains a postal address of 2410
[3:55] Graves Mill Road Madison Virginia
all right leaving anything to add on
[4:00] that
no I'll um so
[4:04] there is an existing one
can I go to
[4:09] um
[4:11] can I get control of this right here
[4:17] I was just going to go to
[4:42] there you go
[4:45] so if if you look at
a little hatch line
[4:49] so this Graves milled to the left that's
where the existing dwelling that that
[4:53] that's the one you know you see like
with the candy cane that's with existing
[4:59] and then it would the three bedroom at
the very North the very top you see the
[5:04] green line the red
that would be roughly where and that's
[5:07] where our Park site is
that's with a three bedroom unit so that
[5:10] parcel would have
two units got an existing one and a
[5:15] second one that's what 100 Acre parcel
and then if you go to the net and if you
[5:20] go to the next page if you come down
keep scrolling down
[5:26] you can actually go back up you can go
back up
[5:29] so if you look right
keep going up on the next parcel itself
[5:34] you see those keep can go back down
right there so that's the 157 acre
[5:40] parcel that's to the South
joins
[5:44] it'd be a the first one red you know Red
Dot would be a three bedroom
[5:50] and those three clustered together
would be
[5:54] three one bedrooms
now they all have he has all the perk
[6:00] sites and everything for each one
um
[6:04] it's really it's really requesting for
short-term rental we say six I don't see
[6:09] any problem with advertising for six but
one would be right by right on each
[6:14] parcel but we still we just sort of said
we just said six not that's anything
[6:19] wrong with that but um
three
[6:24] of the
of the short-term units that are
[6:28] proposed
I'm saying that they would be
[6:31] manufactured
[6:34] what they call part Park Model Park Park
Model RV is that right three of them so
[6:40] it's three clustered right together and
you got a visual
[6:43] and those would be on a septic all be
hooked into a septic they'd be within
[6:47] close proximity to each other
nothing you know there's nothing wrong
[6:51] with as far as a building official we
talked to Jamie
[6:53] about that that's fine that's what
Madison bonds has just FYI they have a
[6:58] park model but I mean like Park like
you're parking it it's not really
[7:02] something that is you move around a lot
and it can be put on a permanent
[7:06] foundation you can bring electric to it
the only thing it's just not meant for
[7:11] full-time living as long as it's you
know a short-term rental or a
[7:16] non-full-time use they're quite nice and
again
[7:21] Madison bond has some units like this so
you know my feeling is I mean we've been
[7:28] to a lot of short-term rentals
hearings lately is
[7:33] this is obviously it's got one active
one now on the
[7:37] combined it actually owns 300 acres a
little over 300 there's another parcel
[7:41] that's not part of this request that he
owns but
[7:45] I think the scale is um
kind of more
[7:49] uh what we maybe are comfortable with a
little easier so this is you know six of
[7:56] that 200 some Acres
um
[7:58] VDOT doesn't really have a lot of
comments
[8:02] um there's a couple access points in
in there on graves Mill there's a couple
[8:09] different access points
um
[8:12] I'll let
Zachary can you have any questions for
[8:14] him you can ask him but other than that
um
[8:18] a few things that
tie together before this would be
[8:21] January 4th hearings we got another
month
[8:25] um
and that'll that's it any questions for
[8:29] me about this one or
like what are those uh other white
[8:34] blocks that you've got up there
[8:40] yeah I think those are identifying
textbooks those little white yeah okay
[8:44] yeah
so this um
[8:48] so the access points the one that's down
there off of uh Berry Mountain Road I
[8:54] guess is there a
uh an easement there's one a Roadies
[8:59] meant one to that one right there
because it looks like it's going through
[9:02] two pieces of other pieces of property
[9:08] the first the first easement I mean the
first access right
[9:17] yes
[9:28] so
yeah
[9:33] behind bird Mountain Road or I'm
sandwiching between Barry and Drake's
[9:38] Mills if you're coming down Drake's
Miller's Hollow back to the left the
[9:41] first step down below uh to the right
there if there's an old bridge shouldn't
[9:46] be back on it before I did okay Ben
Jim's hated for seven years that's it's
[9:51] that parcel right down right next to
Estes is my neighbor oh okay yeah I
[9:56] don't know where it is
the other question maybe what are we
[10:00] seeing those three Parcels that are
together right there what's that piece
[10:04] of land grown
[10:09] now we'll pull up
[10:15] I did not like this handy yeah I got it
[10:21] God I can't stand this
so
[10:25] that parcel is right here
the the cabins are right in here it's a
[10:30] it's a1c1
[10:33] the green right there
[10:40] yeah right is that right is that right
in here
[11:00] three
Park mobile homes and then the other two
[11:05] would be the state built three bedroom
[11:09] one guy would that require three Anchor
Street
[11:13] yeah but he's got it yes right that's
what that's what
[11:26] we're all of them together
[11:31] it's a lot set back that's what I was
asking
[11:33] yeah I mean uh the uh you don't have to
put on a separate parcel I mean the
[11:40] setbacks we don't require that they have
to be that just have to be out the
[11:44] property line you know 125 feet from
sides 50 from the rear
[11:50] um as far as their cluster
I mean the building thistle just
[11:54] requires they be so many feet apart for
fire protection but I don't see
[11:59] doing this as any kind of issue with the
zoning ordinance
[12:04] um
so all three of them can be on three
[12:07] acres or one acre or whatever yeah yeah
I mean I unless you have some concern
[12:12] about it there's nothing in a code to me
that
[12:15] you know they're
yeah I mean I I'm not aware of anything
[12:19] I mean
um unless you see something that would
[12:23] be like I said the building Fisher wants
a certain amount of Separation but I
[12:27] mean they'll probably be what 20 30 feet
apart
[12:30] I mean at minimum
[12:42] three legal reasons
[12:46] the main road right there
the mouse is serving over that's one of
[12:50] these
24K
[13:01] they'll all be installed so you're
basically looking at a single entrance
[13:05] off of Grace Mill Road then
and then branching off yeah okay yep you
[13:11] actually have he has two entrances but
one will be the primary entrance
[13:16] uh
[13:22] yeah but these are the ones that are
intended to service the short-term
[13:26] rentals the ones that are shown here
yeah
[13:30] yes
um
[13:33] I think I know but
I'll explain your rationale for
[13:38] clustering the three units
septic power
[13:43] um
[13:47] and
just remember where all the Italians are
[13:50] one those are one bedrooms so they only
have one car as well
[13:54] so everything could be compacted right
there in one location so each each one
[13:59] of the tiny homes will not have multiple
Vehicles
[14:03] so in one bathroom
but it's mainly clustering to
[14:11] limit the septic system to one serving
three right and Road
[14:20] Lincoln since we're obviously going with
the Africa now I want you to give you
[14:25] the mic so yeah
[14:33] any other questions for the applicant
yes well this is probably for League can
[14:38] one septic field uh serve three of these
yeah I mean we have to have three
[14:43] bedroom septic if it's but yeah they
could do that people people do that
[14:48] same thing
that's right
[14:57] these all three look like they're
right along the tree line where the
[15:02] slope starts going up along that River
Valley there correct I assume that's the
[15:06] Rapidan there right uh if the rapid in
there's also a smaller Creek negative as
[15:11] well well we can't see that on this and
it'll it'll be on great of course and
[15:15] we'll go in and do dirt work to each one
of the sides but
[15:26] any other question
[15:30] on your your three single bedroom
[15:34] I guess I'll call them manufactured
homes because I noticed that we don't
[15:38] actually have a mobile home definition
in our ordinance
[15:43] are those going to be placed on
permanent foundation correct yes sir yes
[15:47] okay
[15:50] look at how much land is being disturbed
for this project
[15:56] well you already have a road it goes
back to that one
[15:59] the it already pretty much is a road
there's an existing farmer that goes to
[16:03] each side right we're gonna we're gonna
gravel it and probably put in a couple
[16:07] of small culverts and then it would just
be the footprint for each one of the
[16:11] yeah so Maybe
if it's all done at once
[16:16] you might have
each separate part maybe 10 you know it
[16:21] might be a little less than an acre
total not even I would even say it even
[16:24] acre
[16:32] and this doesn't actually have anything
to do with it but knowing that stretch
[16:37] of the river up there in that terrain uh
it looks like your entrance does cross
[16:42] the river right correct it does yeah I
assume you have a large Bridge of some
[16:47] kind where we're in the process of
installing a new VDOT 100 000 pound
[16:51] Bridge
foreign
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any other question for the applicant
[17:07] pretty straightforward
I got one so just for for the applicant
[17:15] so you know we recently changed uh
the way I see this map
[17:21] um all six units are going to be
serviced by a portion of the the
[17:27] driveway off of uh Graves Mill Road
correct so we passed not too long ago uh
[17:34] you can have six units on a private
Drive which this equals six except for
[17:40] the fact that the park model RVs
obviously could be removed
[17:47] with some ease if you ever wanted down
the line to to switch it out and build
[17:55] regular family homes in there but they
would have to go yes sir okay yeah and
[18:02] that's part of the logic as well in case
gotcha something doesn't work all right
[18:05] I think it's incumbent upon all of us to
let applicants know what they're getting
[18:12] into sometimes okay that's all I got
mm-hmm
[18:18] any other questions for the applicant
[18:23] be public comment
[18:31] great
but I'll address these comments
[18:38] commission not to Mr Whitman but Mr
Whitman uh not in my backyard crew will
[18:43] be old
yeah Mike would you come up to the Mike
[18:51] foreign
[18:58] I mean so have you talked to your
neighbors have you I mean anybody
[19:04] there'll be a hundred people in here I
don't know about 100 but there's a bunch
[19:07] of people in here
and they will influence
[19:11] not only the Planning Commission they
will try to influence the board of
[19:15] supervisor
uh I I think that you should uh
[19:19] especially when you're running through
easements
[19:23] you know you you probably need to really
make sure that you can do what you want
[19:27] to do through somebody else's problem
uh
[19:31] when does the sign go up
Mr Webb um I'll wait till probably
[19:36] middle of December uh sometime just
because it won't be till January 4th
[19:42] so sometimes and you you want that
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[19:49] they want this they need to come to the
meeting on January 4th
[19:53] understood and have you talked to
anybody from the Piedmont environmental
[19:59] Council no I don't know I would advise
you to do that just to be they're aware
[20:04] at least they're aware that you're going
to do this and cross a string
[20:10] thank you
thank you
[20:13] any other public comment
[20:26] all right if not thank you for your
application uh are there any additional
[20:31] items uh from the Planning Commission
or from the public
[20:42] if not can I have a motion for
adjournment
[20:46] a second moved and seconded all in favor
say uh okay
[20:53] [Laughter]
tip
[20:59] go home and have dinner with your wife
[21:03] yeah
yes Dan
[21:08] why you're early
[21:12] oh okay you don't need one for being
early okay yeah
[21:17] made any all in favor say aye aye any
opposed
[21:22] there you go
it was a a valid point
[21:27] thank you