Well, you know,
wouldn't hurt to get a little bit.
» Good job.
>> Wouldn't hurt to be able to make a
little bit of money on the side. We had
a couple of [music]
>> Can you turn your mic on?
>> There you go. Good job.
>> Oh, all righty.
>> Thanks.
>> Um,
now we know that uh
we would not initially and probably
possibly ever be able to provide water
to that campground site. There's [music]
a limit on new water hookups in the
area. So, our thinking was really just
to dry camping, provide electricity at
the most to people that were just, you
know, looking for a place to to stay for
a little bit. Um, not trying to run some
big old RV park uh on our property. Um,
that's uh basically the idea that we
had. Uh we know that there's a lot of
stuff that would have to happen if this
got approved before we could really open
that up to any sort of business, but at
the very least, you know, once we got it
approved, then we'd be able to have
family come out and stay with us and not
have to worry about uh running a foul of
the government.
» I see what your desire is. You say in
your application you want to use you
have a 33 acre property and you want
[music] to use.3 acres
for two to four RVs.
But as you may know Madison recently
adopted a new unified development
ordinance that replaced the old one
and
it was given a whole lot of exposure.
There were many meetings, some of them
with people advising how to ride it,
some of them open to the public. [music]
There were meetings with all the various
zoning districts laid out.
So, there were all kinds of
opportunities
just very recently
to comment about
uses in all the various zoning
districts. Some of the zoning districts
were even changed.
And in all the conversation and all the
stuff that went on before city council
adopted the law, which it is, it's law.
The whole subject of putting campgrounds
in residential agriculture was never
approved and hence you want a variance
of use.
And under the name of campground, there
were a lot of ordinances
or a lot of things that have to be
satisfied.
Here's section 3.4 on page [music] 56.
Uh campground standards, minimum lot
area 5 acres, site access from a public
road at least 24 foot wide, paved first
200 ft.
uh fire and EMS shall approve site
layout.
There are other things.
Let's see if I can find them here.
Ah, here we go.
You have to have in residential
agriculture a public water supply, but
you don't have to have public sewers.
Uh,
and the big one you have to install
sanitation
which I presume in the country out there
would mean an adequate size septic tank
and a drain field and all that kind of
stuff.
But those are things that pertain to
campgrounds.
And certainly if it's going to be used
commercially,
and by commercial I mean you rent it out
to people for a weekend or a week or
whatever, then you have to abide by
those rules. And now this thing becomes
[music] very costly
>> because you're going to have to
by your own admission and your
application you don't have sanitation
for this specifically. I presume you
have a septic tank for your house.
>> Uh I know we're on Riker's Ridge sewer.
>> Oh, so you do have a sewer system. Okay.
>> Right. And with the uh you know with our
family staying like they would use
[music] our bathrooms you know when they
come they would just be staying in the
RV sleeping in the RV using our
bathrooms and showers. So it's you know
doing the family thing that's not really
the big deal. Obviously, if we printed
anybody else, then we don't want them
using our bathrooms, which [music] is
why that would be a much farther in the
future because there, like you said,
there would be a lot that we had to take
care of on our end before it came to
being of any commercial value to to
doing that or ability to do.
>> Well, that was a big concern because I
figured they were going to come and they
were going to use your potty and your
shower.
But since you're on Riker's Ridge sewer,
then that obiates a lot of problems.
Um,
but the big problem for me is despite
all the meetings and everything that was
just very recently held to adopt this
new [music] UDO, which follows an awful
lot of state guidelines,
then
it seems to me like
your thinking is you're awfully close to
the [music] county which would have
allowed this under their UDO, But per
Indiana law,
you're in a two-mile fringe area around
the city,
which
well, it makes some problems for people
and it also protects the city.
So, there are my issues that it just
wasn't allowed.
And certainly using a public campground
would require a considerable investment.
Uh board members, do any of you have any
other questions?
Well, one thing that that I don't know
if everybody knows, but if we give you a
variance to do this, that attaches to
the property. So, you can sell the
property, somebody else could put in 80 cers for a weekend if they had all
the water and sewer. So, I
don't think that's the right thing to
do.
>> Now, it was just for your family, your
backyard, they pull them in there. I
don't think anybody's going to say a
word,
>> but with the variance, you open up
another can of worms.
>> Does the not have a limit on it?
>> We you can put reasonable conditions on
that and then the way we function within
the city, those get recorded with the
deed.
>> Um we go and record those sheets here,
you know, after the meeting at [music]
some point and um that would get
recorded. So definitely looked there
were definitely some restrictions I
think that need to be put on if if you
consider it such as number of campsites
and um even maybe a setback or something
like that but yeah
>> but without the water and sewer and all
that I'm not far this
» um
yes sir have you spoken to record
they let you tap
or tied into your existing.
>> Uh so we haven't talked to anybody about
doing the you know the work um beyond
that one. It seemed like there wasn't a
whole lot of point until we found out if
we even got the variance. [music] Um and
you know the primary purpose of the
variance was for family to be able to
stay. So even if we got the variance and
they all told us no, you can't put in
water, you can't put in sewer, we were
like, well, you know, at least we can
still have our family stay without
anybody being able to call the city on
us for the family. So, um, we haven't
really pursued that. Uh, there is
another campground just down the road
and when I was going around talking to
people, he told me all the stuff that
he's gone through. I was like, man, I
don't know if it's worth going all that
for like maybe 50 extra bucks a weekend.
[laughter] So, We got some nice
campgrounds here for your family to come
in and use. You know, you go out Quincy
Falls, nice campground up here on the
river, but
I just assume that they would come visit
you and use those. I mean, that's just my opinion, only one person. And I
read the comments with the neighbors and
of course they they raised a lot of
concerns about the heavy traffic on K
Road and K Road as you know, is a narrow
road.
>> Yes. And uh I can't I can't imagine
pulling the camper down that road and
feeling real comfortable about it
because it's
reminds me of what see back in one of
those what was it D Martin the camper
got in all kind I can see K road doing
that being the best.
Well, and I guess when we were
envisioning it, like my parents' bumper
[music] pole is a small one, not one of
the big long um she has a I guess it's
both of our brothers-in-law, her
sister's husband. [music]
Uh they have, you know, a little popup
camper, right? That's like kind of on
our mind. We were never envisioning 40
foot
>> class A RVs or anything like that trying
to work their way back onto K Road
because that's a little bit crazy.
>> Yeah. We didn't we didn't know that we
the RV
>> right
>> that you know they can go up the highle
>> but we're definitely willing to put like
restrictions on size for the
piece.
>> Any other questions or comments board
members?
>> No.
Well, this is a fivep person board and
obviously only three of us are here
tonight
and
obviously also to pass anything you have
to have three four three votes four.
And so if you read the board,
we could give you the opportunity if you
want to think it over and come up with
some
voluntary restrictions
and you'd like to come back later,
then we'd be very glad to table it for
you so you don't have to reapply or do
anything.
» Um, we'd be happy to do that.
I think that would probably be a good
idea. And if the full board were here,
>> um I don't know if you can answer this.
Are there any particular restrictions
[music]
that you would like us to consider?
>> Well, the neighbors are going to be
terribly worried
as we've been through this before on K
Road, not with a campground, but with
another use.
The neighbors are going to be concerned
about
first of all traffic.
RVs [music] trying to negotiate
that miserable K Road.
They're going to be worried about
disturbances. They're going to be
worried about your property being used
as a
uh what do you call them? 18 off
allterrain vehicle park with guys
roaring around at 3:00 in the morning,
>> right? They're going to be concerned
about guys shooting off guns and getting
drunk and
generally raising houble toothpicks
[music]
which has happened out there.
So I think those are going to be major
concerns.
So if you crafted something that even
you indicated to your neighbors that you
only wanted family members, you only
wanted them x number of weekends or
whatever a year,
uh you realize you'd have to comply with
the campground regulations which is
involves you know installing sewer
risers
was having a you know RVs have holding
tanks and they got to be dumped.
and Scott, I'll give them if you'd like
a copy. We did receive two comments. One
came in yesterday. I think one came in,
late [music] Friday. So, I'll give you
those just so you have some help.
Alleviate some concerns then,
>> as I am pretty sure, most of the
neighbors are going to be opposed. And
there is also the issue that Mr. here
brought up that it goes on under the new
rules of the state of Indiana, these
things go on your property deed.
And so while you may be very responsible
and decent people, [music] you sell the
property and there's no guarantee,
>> right?
>> You want to correct me?
>> No, I mean generally use variances,
[music] development standards variances,
those do run with the land just like
we've talked about special exceptions.
There are instances a lot of times you
need to let those run with [music] the
land if there's been an investment like
you know conversion to a a new use or
something like that because um
especially like accessory dwelling
[music] units you can put some
restrictions on that you've done that on
a few others but I wouldn't make that's
not the norm that's not the normal route
when it's something operationally based
um I think it's something you can
consider that's
a little bit of a different use um I
know they are the last parcel in our
[music] jurisdiction. So the other side
of them other side of this property is
in the county's jurisdiction. So they're
right on our edge of [music] our
jurisdiction. Um
>> well I see your situation.
You're literally [music] 2 feet away
from where you could do this in the
white care.
>> I apologize for
>> not following what was happening in
Madison. But before this, we thought we
were in the county, so we just weren't
really paying attention to what was
going on in Mass.
>> Well, you got to live and learn.
>> Yeah. So,
>> you got to learn that you live under
government laws. It's it's called due
diligence.
And if you were to start [music] a
business,
like you want to build a business, then
you're probably going to take [music]
core samples to see if your ground's
contaminated and various things like
that.
So, you gota Until
I got on this board, I was like you. I
didn't realize.
But now I understand that
>> there are an awful lot of things you've
got to look into.
>> You're not the first person to get
tripped up,
>> right? No.
>> Um,
» can you chime in? Is there there's still
there's no reason families
can't spend. So RVs are um a little bit
of a tricky one. So RVs, they are not a
HUD approved dwelling unit. So um they
can't be used for permanent residency um
because they're a temporary portable
structure. They're not a permanent
residence. So people cannot live in
those outside of campgrounds. Within our
jurisdiction, the county's jurisdiction
is the same. [music] Um we don't have
provisions that allow for temporary
occupancy of those. Um again, outside of
a campground.
So that's kind of where you run into a
little bit of this this issue.
>> Well, if you'd like to think it over,
we'd be glad to table it.
>> Okay.
>> You can ponder it.
So we'll do that.
>> Yes.
>> You want to go ahead and do public
comment and have the public hearing now
or you tableabling everything till the
next meeting?
>> We'll table it till the next meeting. I
think we're trying to look out. We're
considering you, but we also we've been
through this on K Road.
As I talked to my neighbors, I learned
that they've been through this on K
Road.
>> Yeah,
>> we're learning.
>> Scott, do you want to make sure there's
nobody who's in attend [music]
attendance today that can't attend the
next meeting just in case there's a
comment? Just a thought. So for you.
>> Well, that's just a few folks that have
a seat.
>> All right.
>> As [music]
our secretary, Miss Williams, pointed
out, if any of you in our next regular
meeting August 14th, mber 14th [music]
>> August 14th September se
>> September excuse me September 14th if
you can't be here on that day have an
obligation
then we'd be glad to take like a two or
three minute comment from you so you can
be heard otherwise we'll postpone
comments till that [music] next regular
meeting
>> out of town
>> well come on up
years
>> can you state your name and address
please thanks [music]
Terry can live at 2400 Caster Lane. I've
farmed up here in 30 [music] some years
and you know we pull we pull semis in
there or 30 34 foot trailers you know
it's
like you said a public campground now
family I would have no problem with but
I don't think they need to be in now
they're all the time like the public
campground and didn't you say on the law
they stated the road had to be 24 foot.
Well, that's the uh
>> internal driveway.
>> The entrance off of the public road has
to be 25 wide and
>> uh paved for the first 200 ft.
>> Like I said, you know, I know I cannot
get up through there and stay on my side
of the road on them turns on the hills,
especially that's what you know would
concern me.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
If anybody else cannot be here on
September [music] 14th and you'd like to
say a brief comment for the record,
you're sure welcome.
My name is Roger Ward. I'm president of
Rers Water Company, which this falls
under our jurisdiction. I have a
document I want to submit [music] to you
all that may or may not help you in
future endeavors. I'll read it out loud.
Dearba members, this letter is to inform
you that Kro [music] Jefferson County
Indiana has a moratorum in place and at
this time no water taps for water are
available. This moratorum has been in
place for several [music] years signed
by the board of directors. I just want
this on record that will help you that
next time a K road thing comes up there
is no water available.
>> Thank you.
>> I'll take that and skin it in
>> and board. I move we accept this letter
into the public record.
Second.
>> All in favor say I. I.
>> I. Oppos. No. It's accepted.
>> And one clarification too. Um I believe
our Oh, this is a use variance. So there
would be no time necessarily limit on
that, but special exceptions would be a
two years. You could establish the use
within two years. So um don't know when
that might be lifted, but um doesn't
sound like maybe within the couple year
frame maybe. But okay.
Uh
well, we have
[music]
taken care of any possible public
comments and
we do not move to table it. So I move
[music] we table this application till
our next regular meeting.
» Have a second.
>> Second.
>> All in favor say I.
>> I.
oppose. No.
Uh folks,
so if any of you folk I suspect some of
you are here on account of this, we will
take the whole issue up unless the
applicants withdraw it obviously, but we
will take the issue up and have comment
as needed at our September 14 regular
meeting.
So, if any of you uh like to leave now,
if you're not interested in staying on
watching our solemn proceedings, you're
sure welcome. [music]
Okay. [music]
Okay. Next item on the agenda.
is BZVD-26-8
Luke Taylor Tammy Bednar requesting
variance from developmental standards
for an accessory [music] structure
setback 828 West 2nd Street. So somebody
speaking on their behalf. Yes sir.
give your name and address and explain
the situation.
>> Name is Luke Taylor. Uh I live in Scott
County, but address in question is 828
West Second Street.
And you are requesting
a variance from developmental standards,
I understand,
to install a carport type of a roof
thing over an existing driveway.
>> Yes, sir.
And the driveway has been there I
presume since Noah's flood
>> sometime. Yes. [music] At
>> least the 37
and you're just simply going to you have
to have a variance because it's a
structure and the driveway was situated
such that you have to do this one of
these things we run into downtown all
the time.
Board members, do you have any questions
or comments?
» A reasonable sense to me. I mean, just a
carport [music] iss pretty simple.
Garage or blocked view of anything.
>> It's just an open typical carport with
nothing but some pillars and a roof.
>> Yes, sir.
>> To specify it is a the required setback
is 3 ft. He's requesting approximately a
foot um set back from that property
line. And there is an existing [music]
privacy fence between that property line
that does not want to stay on here. Um
that property line [music] and uh the
carport.
So you have
lot line here,
privacy fence here, driveway here,
and you want to put [music]
the uh carport roof right smack over the
driveway.
So you're already
constrained by a privacy fence that's
probably been there forever.
>> Yes, sir. The privacy fence is the
neighbors to the north of the It's not
uh Miss Bendar's property, but it's the
neighbors of the north property.
Okay. Any questions or comments, board
members?
>> I don't see
build.
>> Correct. Correct.
>> All right.
>> I got approved for the board of
appropriate or certificate of
appropriate
historic board and get it approved. So
that will fit the historic character.
>> No issue with a water shed or anything
off the roof to your neighbor.
>> I'm running a gutter on the back end and
it's going to come down the driveway
towards the road. So it's going to be
the same water flow as right now.
>> Okay. Very good. Thank you.
>> Which is the only consideration because
you can't dump your water on the
neighbor's lot.
>> Correct.
» Would anybody in the audience like to
speak for or against this application?
Well, seeing none, you can have a seat,
sir.
>> Thank you.
>> We will go through our findings of fact
uh
is variance developmental standards.
Three criteria. Number one, it's not
injurious to public health safety
morals.
Uh Mr. Eagland,
>> no, it's not. It's going to be a nice
addition.
>> Mr. Ramik, I have no issues.
Um, I see no
possible way that's going to adversely
affect anything. I think that one's met.
Uh, number two, use and value of the
area adjacent to the property is not
affected in a substantially adverse
manner. Mr. Eagland,
>> no, I think it approved because his
neighbor also has a [music] carport,
some additions down there. So, it's kind
of a improving neighborhood down there.
I think this is just help.
>> Mr. ceramic. Sounds good. And uh I see
no, we've certainly had no testimony
from a recognized authority that
anything's going to be adversely hurt.
So I think that one's met.
And number three,
strict application of this ordinance
will result in a practical difficulty.
What is it, Mr. Eagland? I don't see any
real hard nothing tough about this one.
Pretty simple. Mr. Amik,
I agree. It's straightforward.
Uh
the practical difficulty and the reason
he has to have the variance of
development standards is that it is
considered a structure and it's within
the three-foot limit.
So, I think that one's met.
Well, having gone through our
application and our findings of fact,
I take a motion.
I'll make a motion we approve BZVD-26-8.
[music]
» And could we have a roll call?
>> Yes.
>> And we wish you well, sir.
The next item on the agenda agenda
BZVD-26-9 [music]
590 East Clifty Drive. It was a request
for variance from developmental
standards for a primary structure
setback. That one has requested to be
tabled [music] till our next regular
meeting
>> that we need to table it because we
won't have a quorum. Um
>> yeah,
» that's a good reason.
I move we table this application till
our next regular meeting.
>> I'll second the motion.
>> And can we have a roll call?
>> Thanks. Scott Baldwin,
>> yes.
>> Carl England,
>> yes. and Brian Amy, you're going to
[music] abstain. Okay, that's what I
thought you said. Two to one abstain.
And just to clarify, too, that's
September 14th, [music] 6 PM at city
hall.
>> Uh, next item on the agenda, BZCU-26-8,
Kevin Mason, uh, from Electriccom.inc.
Special exception approval to operate a
short-term rental at 508 Jefferson
Street.
We have somebody come up and address
this.
» My name is Lori Kendall representing
Electriccom, Inc. and the property is at
508 Jefferson Street.
>> And
just exactly what are you planning on
doing there?
>> We [music]
um would like to operate a short-term
vacation rental like a Airbnb. Um, our
company currently has four, three in
French and one here in Madison, which is
[music] actually connected to this
building.
So, we're just wanting to um allow
variance for us [music] to have a
short-term vacation rental.
>> Usually weekends, maybe three-day
weekends. We rarely have somebody that
stays a week, and we only allow two
weeks at a time.
Uh board members, do you have any
questions or comments?
Have there been any complaints with
their
>> Not to my knowledge. No, that was the
one I think you [music] you approved
earlier this year. Um maybe January,
February, March, somewhere in that
range.
>> No problems.
>> No, sir.
>> Probably about the same criteria as far
as rules and regulations as you
>> absolutely. We do have pretty strict
[music] rules. um no more than the
maximum number allowed for guests. This
is a threebedroom three-bedroom home, so
it would be a six guest [music]
maximum. Okay.
>> Um we require proof of ID. They have to
be an established
uh renter. They've had to have rented
from Airbnb or VRBO before with good
ratings. Um they must be 21. They must
abide by thy quiet hours. So we have
pretty strict
>> Is there any off off streetet parking
back in the alley behind?
>> There is there's garage parking there
and then there's [music] uh front street
parking.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Four.
[music] Yeah.
>> Okay. Four places. Good.
>> Okay.
Let's see. And you have provided rules
which frankly
>> we [music] no we do not we cannot
require them to submit those but um I
think if
>> I think we did with the pre with the one
next door but I didn't with this one the
same you can apply those same rules.
>> They are the same. [music] Yes.
» Board members. Any other questions or
comments?
Would anyone in the audience like to
speak for against this?
>> Apparently not.
>> I lost our audience. [laughter]
>> They're country people.
Well, you can have a a seat, ma'am.
>> Thank you.
» This is a special exception. [music]
And we have several findings in fact we
have to go through six of them.
Uh so the first one
I'll just briefly go [music] through
them and you can
for the purposes of the record if
somebody's watching
I will read the category and I'll just
ask if any of you have any objections.
Uh the first fact
uh is will this detrimental or endanger
public health, safety, morals or general
welfare? Anybody have any issues there?
>> No. No.
>> Uh fact two,
a special exception is not injurious to
[music] use and enjoyment of other
property in the immediate vicinity.
No problems. Number three, [music]
uh this special exception will not
impede or substantially older the normal
and orderly development and improvement
of surrounding property for uses in this
district. Any problems?
>> No issues.
>> Number four, there are adequate
utilities, access road, drainage, etc.
Any issues?
>> No.
Number five,
uh there they have taken adequate
measures to provide ingress and egress
to minimize traffic congestion.
>> Yes.
>> Any any issues?
>> No.
>> And number six,
it's located in a district which where
such use is permitted
and they will meet any other
requirements in this UDO.
Any issues?
that we will take a motion.
I move we approve the special exception.
Second motion
and we have a roll call.
>> Of course. Uh Scott Baldwin.
>> Yes.
>> Carl England.
>> Yes.
>> Brian Brian Amik. [music]
>> Yes.
Well, we wish you well, ladies.
And last item on our agenda,
BZVU-26-5,
[music]
Linda Lockach,
requesting a variance of use to operate
a short-term rental.
I understand it's it says here 945 West
second but that's also 947 as well.
>> Yes,
>> there are two addresses.
>> Well, I own 947.
>> So, your application is for 947. [music]
>> Yes.
>> And 945 is what I had said.
>> I know, but when I came in several
times, it [music] had something to do
with a zoning issue and
>> Okay. So I kept saying it's 947 and they
[music] understand it
>> and it was advertised as the comp like
when we did the mailings and everything,
[music]
>> right? I put
>> it was advertised for both of them. So
>> yeah, I put in parentheses 947 when I
sent out the certified [music]
>> letters.
>> Well, then I think we're on
solid ground.
I don't think anybody's going to file
huge lawsuits.
Uh let's see here.
» So, you're requesting a variance of use.
» And I'll explain that too.
>> You normally get these coming in as our
special exception or what we used to
call conditional uses. Um, so the
difference here is she is actually zoned
local business and surrounded by HDR
more or less. And I can I'm going to
actually zoom up here actually in
[music] the application. Here we go in
the staff report. So she is the this is
the parcel we're kind of talking about
on the screen. I don't know why that TV
turned [music] off, but I don't know if
you guys it's in your packet on this
page.
>> And then the pink around it is HDR. So,
HDR, that would be a special exception
use local business. Um, it's one of
those things that's on my list as we go
through the six-month assessment here,
and we'll start that in the next month
or two to to consider that to just make
it permitted um within that district.
[music] Uh because you can have a lot
more intense commercial uses within
local business. The reason it wasn't
initially put in there was because we
typically don't have our single family
dwellings in a local business [music]
district in a business district for
single family dwellings or you know
duplexes. Um now [music] that's not the
case cuz I don't know the history of why
this little corner is zoned local
business and not HDR. [music]
Um
>> may have been a grocery store once.
>> It probably was something at one point.
Um, and again, you can kind of see that
those are um it's that corner parcel.
I'm going to zoom in here and then the 945 947. So, this parcel and then
those I don't know why these were zoned
at compared to right you could have had
something commercial. You have those
mixed in with HDR. [music]
Um, so that's the need for a variance
versus
just a special exception. Would it be
better all around if she just went to
plan commission and just have the
property reszoned? Something rational?
>> So, we [music] did talk we talked
through kind of all the options, right?
You can go through use variance, you can go through reszoning. Um, this
does preserve more [music] commercial
options if you ever wanted to do those
in the future. Um, because if you go to
HDR, a lot of those commercial options
fall off. But right now you could put
[music] a hotel on that locate and
obviously it's constrained by the site.
But [music] um you can put a lot more
intense uses on that site.
>> So if we give her abuse, we are
potentially disrupting a neighborhood
where everybody went thinking it was HDR
and they wanted to live there and now
[music] all of a sudden somebody comes
in and puts a gambling casino.
>> Be a small one on that parcel, but
[laughter]
Um, again, I think that's the this use
is actually probably more appropriate
for the surrounding uses um than a more
intense commercial local commercial, you
know, use that would be permitted in
that LB [music] district. So,
>> I can see that may well have been a
grocery store because that's West
Madison, I think, and that was a whole
another entity once upon a time. And
there did used to be a lot of
neighborhood grocery stores which don't
exist anymore.
>> And the comprehensive plan does identify
this as the neighborhood mixeduse area.
[music]
So, I know again you have some
sprinkling. We used to have a district
called the specialty district, the SD
district that [music] got kind of
combined and absorbed into HDR because
it was small scale, right? It wasn't the
larger scale um commercial uses. So, but
when we did do the map [music] um
adoption, we just solely converted the
map. Uh with the new UDO, we did not
reszone anybody. this would have been
one you could have considered but again
allowing for those commercial [music]
corner stores is I think you know a
valid thing too in the future.
It's just I see the point of people who
buy properties under the assumption that
this is just going to be a peaceful
neighborhood and either I'm going to
live in it or I'm going to put an Airbnb
here
and my Airbnb is going to be
viable because it's such a charming
little neighborhood. And then somebody
comes in and puts a cowboy bar
and there is such a thing over on that
side of town in the middle of a
residential area. There's a bar.
I saw you come out of that.
>> But those are permitted by right. I
mean, so those commercial uses are
permitted by [music] right. Some of
those, you know what I mean? By right
today. So that's um
I think outside that debate, [music] I
guess. Does that make sense?
>> Yeah.
>> Um we'll make sure
we're not trying to [music]
we're not discussing actually putting
anything else like that in there. This
brings it down a little bit in terms of
the intensity [music] of what it could
be by right.
>> Board members, I've spoken my beast. Do
any of you have any comments, any
opinions, any feelings, any questions
for applicant?
>> I guess you have rules and regulations
and
>> Yes, I have rules. Uh, no pets. [music]
Uh, limited number of people will mostly
be used on the weekends.
Uh, I have I live my residence is
[music] across the street, so I know
pretty much what's going on.
>> And uh I have a garage to park my
vehicles [music] in. So there's plenty
of parking in that area even when there
are [music] events going on here in town
and um the neighbors [music] have been
notified and they are in agreement.
>> Good.
>> And heard back from the neighbors.
[music]
So, uh, I have a manager who has done
this, uh, with quite a few people here
in town, and so she's going to basically
[music] take care of of running it.
>> So, she'll be 24-hour call if needed.
>> Yes,
>> she'll be on the call,
>> right? her phone number be on the wall
there somewhere where
>> Yes, she I have my own book with her
number in it and I have uh
extra lock in case something goes wrong
with the automatic lock and um I think
[music]
um actually the neighborhood's kind of
improved because I knew that was going
to go in because I have to take care of
the alleys and some of the other
properties [music] that are not being
taken care of. I have to clean it up. So
it looks presentable. So I think [music]
it's been the idea has been beneficial.
>> Yeah, you're in the you are in a
improving neighborhood.
>> Definitely. Things are getting better.
So yeah, I think it's be a nice fit.
>> Any other questions or comments, board
members?
>> Scott, you did have one public comment
that was submitted. He did put in there
he's requesting [music] it to be read.
So that's up to you. Um, but at least
making sure that gets into the record
with you guys from a
>> Yes, we are. David Weise.
>> David Weise.
>> Um, and reading it, you're 947.
Correct. One of the statements it does
say 9 the the 947 Airbnb was done
properly. We have no complaints. That's
the 947. I think his complaints do
center around 945. [music] So, excluding
that, that's
>> right. because they do not mow their
yard and I
>> He does take care,
>> you know, I take care of their sidewalk
and their alley
>> and but I [music] can't go on their
property to take care of their lawn,
>> right?
>> So, uh you know, he lives directly in
back [music] of me and um I don't think
that we have any problems.
>> Okay. And I would make sure any [music]
motion specifies 947 and then that's
all.
>> Right. And you are correct. His letter
is mostly about 945.
In fact, he compliments 947
as being an Airbnb that was done right.
Uh can wait one moment. Ma'am, I move we
accept this letter from David Weise into
the public record.
>> I second your motion.
>> All in favor say I. I. Oppose. No. It's
accepted.
>> Uh one last chance. Board members, any
other questions or comments?
I doubt there will be any public
comment.
>> Well, you can have a seat, ma'am.
And this is a variance of use
being done
because this is one of those weird
things that comes up downtown
from a very old downtown that started to
have zoning ordinance in 1966.
And every so often these things come up.
[music] So this is for variance of use.
There are five findings of fact.
I will go through them and I'm going to
ask you each to [music] comment because
as one very astute man I knew once put
it, a variance of use is an end run
around the zoning ordinance.
Maybe not in this case because of the
circumstances.
So number one, it's not injurious to the
public health, safety, morals, general
welfare. Mr. England.
>> No, it's not.
>> Mr. Amik,
>> I agree it's not.
>> Um,
I don't see any way it is either. I
think that's met. Number two,
uh, that's the use and value of adjacent
properties not being hurt. Uh, Mr.
Eagland,
>> I'm referred,
>> Mr. Amik.
and we've heard no testimony that it
potentially will harm
property values or anything. So, I think
that one's met. Number three,
this is a big one. The need for the
variance arises from some condition
peculiar to this property. What is it,
Mr. England?
>> The local business.
But uh yeah, I think uh I think it's
necessary to allow the variance.
>> Mr. Amic. [music]
» Yeah, I agree.
» And that is definitely a peculiarity
that it's all zoned HDR.
But here's one place that [music] for
who knows why
was owned local business once
and
local business does not allow housing
like this. So, I think that's pretty
valid.
Uh, number four,
strict application of the zoning
ordinance will constitute an unnecessary
hardship if it's applied to this
property. Mr. England,
>> I don't say hardship.
>> Mr. ceramic.
The unnecessary hardship is that for
some bizarre reason, it's not zoomed
properly to let it be used for what
everything around it is used for.
So, I think that one's met. Number five,
uh, the approval does not interfere
substantially with the comprehensive
plan,
Mr. Eagland. No, it it does not
interfere point,
>> Mr. Amik. I agree.
And the comprehensive plan is partly
that document and partly the list of
uses and partly where it is.
So, I think that one's met.
Okay, we have a motion.
Make a motion we accept
BZ
U-26-5.
[music]
>> Second. Think we have a roll call?
>> Of course. Scott Baldwin.
>> Yes.
>> Carl England.
>> Yes.
>> Braining.
>> Yes.
>> And that concludes our
list of items.
Miss Williams, is there anything I have
forgotten?
>> No, there is not. I was just going to
[music] note that originally um I think
it was because of holidays in September
and multiple meetings getting bumped.
Originally we were advertised on a
Thursday or Tuesday in September. It was
revertised as September 14th because
nobody was in this room. So we kept our
same second Monday schedule. Um so that
is noted. It has been readvertised with
paper and you know through those
channels. [music] Uh but just want to
note that in case you had an original
schedule.
>> Okay.
>> Yep.
>> Very good. Well,
>> that concludes everything. Motion to
adjurnn.
>> So move.
>> All in favor say I.
>> I. Post. No. We are ajourned.
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