1 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,870 Well, you know, 2 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,749 wouldn't hurt to get a little bit. 3 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:54,800 » Good job. 4 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,000 >> Wouldn't hurt to be able to make a 5 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,440 little bit of money on the side. We had 6 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,919 a couple of [music] 7 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:01,840 >> Can you turn your mic on? 8 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,360 >> There you go. Good job. 9 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,639 >> Oh, all righty. 10 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:05,199 >> Thanks. 11 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:06,880 >> Um, 12 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,400 now we know that uh 13 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,440 we would not initially and probably 14 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,520 possibly ever be able to provide water 15 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,000 to that campground site. There's [music] 16 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 a limit on new water hookups in the 17 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,320 area. So, our thinking was really just 18 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,800 to dry camping, provide electricity at 19 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,800 the most to people that were just, you 20 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,360 know, looking for a place to to stay for 21 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,560 a little bit. Um, not trying to run some 22 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,960 big old RV park uh on our property. Um, 23 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,000 that's uh basically the idea that we 24 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,479 had. Uh we know that there's a lot of 25 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:44,320 stuff that would have to happen if this 26 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,800 got approved before we could really open 27 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,120 that up to any sort of business, but at 28 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,880 the very least, you know, once we got it 29 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,080 approved, then we'd be able to have 30 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,759 family come out and stay with us and not 31 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,240 have to worry about uh running a foul of 32 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,150 the government. 33 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,759 » I see what your desire is. You say in 34 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,319 your application you want to use you 35 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:09,424 have a 33 acre property and you want 36 00:06:09,424 --> 00:06:12,319 [music] to use.3 acres 37 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:15,120 for two to four RVs. 38 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,160 But as you may know Madison recently 39 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,319 adopted a new unified development 40 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:24,319 ordinance that replaced the old one 41 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:26,479 and 42 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:29,759 it was given a whole lot of exposure. 43 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,240 There were many meetings, some of them 44 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,319 with people advising how to ride it, 45 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,120 some of them open to the public. [music] 46 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,600 There were meetings with all the various 47 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,039 zoning districts laid out. 48 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:45,039 So, there were all kinds of 49 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:46,560 opportunities 50 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,199 just very recently 51 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,759 to comment about 52 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:53,840 uses in all the various zoning 53 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:55,360 districts. Some of the zoning districts 54 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,160 were even changed. 55 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,919 And in all the conversation and all the 56 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:06,319 stuff that went on before city council 57 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:11,280 adopted the law, which it is, it's law. 58 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,520 The whole subject of putting campgrounds 59 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,840 in residential agriculture was never 60 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,080 approved and hence you want a variance 61 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,960 of use. 62 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,800 And under the name of campground, there 63 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,479 were a lot of ordinances 64 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:30,319 or a lot of things that have to be 65 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:31,919 satisfied. 66 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:36,720 Here's section 3.4 on page [music] 56. 67 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Uh campground standards, minimum lot 68 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,919 area 5 acres, site access from a public 69 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:46,639 road at least 24 foot wide, paved first 70 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:48,960 200 ft. 71 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,440 uh fire and EMS shall approve site 72 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,360 layout. 73 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,080 There are other things. 74 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:03,510 Let's see if I can find them here. 75 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Ah, here we go. 76 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,919 You have to have in residential 77 00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:10,319 agriculture a public water supply, but 78 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,599 you don't have to have public sewers. 79 00:08:13,599 --> 00:08:17,189 Uh, 80 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:19,599 and the big one you have to install 81 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:22,790 sanitation 82 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,520 which I presume in the country out there 83 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,560 would mean an adequate size septic tank 84 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,800 and a drain field and all that kind of 85 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,320 stuff. 86 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,640 But those are things that pertain to 87 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,599 campgrounds. 88 00:08:37,599 --> 00:08:40,240 And certainly if it's going to be used 89 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,080 commercially, 90 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,000 and by commercial I mean you rent it out 91 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,959 to people for a weekend or a week or 92 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:49,680 whatever, then you have to abide by 93 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:51,866 those rules. And now this thing becomes 94 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:53,839 [music] very costly 95 00:08:53,839 --> 00:08:56,800 >> because you're going to have to 96 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,160 by your own admission and your 97 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,880 application you don't have sanitation 98 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,760 for this specifically. I presume you 99 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,080 have a septic tank for your house. 100 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,240 >> Uh I know we're on Riker's Ridge sewer. 101 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,200 >> Oh, so you do have a sewer system. Okay. 102 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 >> Right. And with the uh you know with our 103 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,446 family staying like they would use 104 00:09:15,446 --> 00:09:17,040 [music] our bathrooms you know when they 105 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,560 come they would just be staying in the 106 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,120 RV sleeping in the RV using our 107 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,320 bathrooms and showers. So it's you know 108 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,160 doing the family thing that's not really 109 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,080 the big deal. Obviously, if we printed 110 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,480 anybody else, then we don't want them 111 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,000 using our bathrooms, which [music] is 112 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,720 why that would be a much farther in the 113 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,560 future because there, like you said, 114 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,080 there would be a lot that we had to take 115 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,760 care of on our end before it came to 116 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,279 being of any commercial value to to 117 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:46,880 doing that or ability to do. 118 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,480 >> Well, that was a big concern because I 119 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,399 figured they were going to come and they 120 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:51,839 were going to use your potty and your 121 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:54,560 shower. 122 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,640 But since you're on Riker's Ridge sewer, 123 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,120 then that obiates a lot of problems. 124 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Um, 125 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,279 but the big problem for me is despite 126 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,519 all the meetings and everything that was 127 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,680 just very recently held to adopt this 128 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,399 new [music] UDO, which follows an awful 129 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:16,310 lot of state guidelines, 130 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,399 then 131 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,079 it seems to me like 132 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,000 your thinking is you're awfully close to 133 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,680 the [music] county which would have 134 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,640 allowed this under their UDO, But per 135 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,040 Indiana law, 136 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,120 you're in a two-mile fringe area around 137 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,040 the city, 138 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,959 which 139 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,040 well, it makes some problems for people 140 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,440 and it also protects the city. 141 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,320 So, there are my issues that it just 142 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,990 wasn't allowed. 143 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And certainly using a public campground 144 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,269 would require a considerable investment. 145 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,920 Uh board members, do any of you have any 146 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 other questions? 147 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,880 Well, one thing that that I don't know 148 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,640 if everybody knows, but if we give you a 149 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,839 variance to do this, that attaches to 150 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:18,079 the property. So, you can sell the 151 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:23,680 property, somebody else could put in 80 cers for a weekend if they had all 152 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:28,000 the water and sewer. So, I 153 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,440 don't think that's the right thing to 154 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,320 do. 155 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,000 >> Now, it was just for your family, your 156 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,760 backyard, they pull them in there. I 157 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,800 don't think anybody's going to say a 158 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,560 word, 159 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,600 >> but with the variance, you open up 160 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,959 another can of worms. 161 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:43,519 >> Does the not have a limit on it? 162 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,360 >> We you can put reasonable conditions on 163 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,839 that and then the way we function within 164 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:49,600 the city, those get recorded with the 165 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:50,560 deed. 166 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,880 >> Um we go and record those sheets here, 167 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,000 you know, after the meeting at [music] 168 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,839 some point and um that would get 169 00:11:55,839 --> 00:11:58,399 recorded. So definitely looked there 170 00:11:58,399 --> 00:11:59,760 were definitely some restrictions I 171 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,839 think that need to be put on if if you 172 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:04,399 consider it such as number of campsites 173 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:06,800 and um even maybe a setback or something 174 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,160 like that but yeah 175 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,880 >> but without the water and sewer and all 176 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:18,069 that I'm not far this 177 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:19,920 » um 178 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,160 yes sir have you spoken to record 179 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,800 they let you tap 180 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,000 or tied into your existing. 181 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,120 >> Uh so we haven't talked to anybody about 182 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,800 doing the you know the work um beyond 183 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,680 that one. It seemed like there wasn't a 184 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,440 whole lot of point until we found out if 185 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,399 we even got the variance. [music] Um and 186 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:45,920 you know the primary purpose of the 187 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,399 variance was for family to be able to 188 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,560 stay. So even if we got the variance and 189 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,560 they all told us no, you can't put in 190 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,639 water, you can't put in sewer, we were 191 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:55,920 like, well, you know, at least we can 192 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,200 still have our family stay without 193 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,440 anybody being able to call the city on 194 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,560 us for the family. So, um, we haven't 195 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,639 really pursued that. Uh, there is 196 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:06,480 another campground just down the road 197 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,079 and when I was going around talking to 198 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,000 people, he told me all the stuff that 199 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,160 he's gone through. I was like, man, I 200 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,160 don't know if it's worth going all that 201 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,144 for like maybe 50 extra bucks a weekend. 202 00:13:17,144 --> 00:13:19,040 [laughter] So, We got some nice 203 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,200 campgrounds here for your family to come 204 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,440 in and use. You know, you go out Quincy 205 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,839 Falls, nice campground up here on the 206 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:28,480 river, but 207 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,160 I just assume that they would come visit 208 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,120 you and use those. I mean, that's just my opinion, only one person. And I 209 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,519 read the comments with the neighbors and 210 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,040 of course they they raised a lot of 211 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,160 concerns about the heavy traffic on K 212 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,600 Road and K Road as you know, is a narrow 213 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,320 road. 214 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,680 >> Yes. And uh I can't I can't imagine 215 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,519 pulling the camper down that road and 216 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:52,800 feeling real comfortable about it 217 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,560 because it's 218 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,399 reminds me of what see back in one of 219 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,000 those what was it D Martin the camper 220 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,160 got in all kind I can see K road doing 221 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,279 that being the best. 222 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:06,959 Well, and I guess when we were 223 00:14:06,959 --> 00:14:08,889 envisioning it, like my parents' bumper 224 00:14:08,889 --> 00:14:12,240 [music] pole is a small one, not one of 225 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,880 the big long um she has a I guess it's 226 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,160 both of our brothers-in-law, her 227 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,279 sister's husband. [music] 228 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,680 Uh they have, you know, a little popup 229 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,320 camper, right? That's like kind of on 230 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,040 our mind. We were never envisioning 40 231 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,000 foot 232 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,240 >> class A RVs or anything like that trying 233 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,000 to work their way back onto K Road 234 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,760 because that's a little bit crazy. 235 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,160 >> Yeah. We didn't we didn't know that we 236 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,199 the RV 237 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:37,440 >> right 238 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,600 >> that you know they can go up the highle 239 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,600 >> but we're definitely willing to put like 240 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,120 restrictions on size for the 241 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,920 piece. 242 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,920 >> Any other questions or comments board 243 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,800 members? 244 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,389 >> No. 245 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:57,519 Well, this is a fivep person board and 246 00:14:57,519 --> 00:14:59,360 obviously only three of us are here 247 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,440 tonight 248 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,120 and 249 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,440 obviously also to pass anything you have 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,639 to have three four three votes four. 251 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:14,079 And so if you read the board, 252 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:16,079 we could give you the opportunity if you 253 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:17,920 want to think it over and come up with 254 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,590 some 255 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,720 voluntary restrictions 256 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,079 and you'd like to come back later, 257 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:29,920 then we'd be very glad to table it for 258 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,839 you so you don't have to reapply or do 259 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:35,509 anything. 260 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,399 » Um, we'd be happy to do that. 261 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:39,920 I think that would probably be a good 262 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,519 idea. And if the full board were here, 263 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,760 >> um I don't know if you can answer this. 264 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,140 Are there any particular restrictions 265 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:47,680 [music] 266 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,399 that you would like us to consider? 267 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:51,759 >> Well, the neighbors are going to be 268 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:54,480 terribly worried 269 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,480 as we've been through this before on K 270 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,639 Road, not with a campground, but with 271 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,959 another use. 272 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:03,040 The neighbors are going to be concerned 273 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,639 about 274 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,680 first of all traffic. 275 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,320 RVs [music] trying to negotiate 276 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,120 that miserable K Road. 277 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 They're going to be worried about 278 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,959 disturbances. They're going to be 279 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:18,880 worried about your property being used 280 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,040 as a 281 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 uh what do you call them? 18 off 282 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,160 allterrain vehicle park with guys 283 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,639 roaring around at 3:00 in the morning, 284 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:30,399 >> right? They're going to be concerned 285 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:32,560 about guys shooting off guns and getting 286 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,639 drunk and 287 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:36,266 generally raising houble toothpicks 288 00:16:36,266 --> 00:16:36,880 [music] 289 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,350 which has happened out there. 290 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,440 So I think those are going to be major 291 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360 concerns. 292 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,519 So if you crafted something that even 293 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:49,519 you indicated to your neighbors that you 294 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,600 only wanted family members, you only 295 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,040 wanted them x number of weekends or 296 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,440 whatever a year, 297 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,160 uh you realize you'd have to comply with 298 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,480 the campground regulations which is 299 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,000 involves you know installing sewer 300 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,720 risers 301 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,959 was having a you know RVs have holding 302 00:17:10,959 --> 00:17:15,829 tanks and they got to be dumped. 303 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,520 and Scott, I'll give them if you'd like 304 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,360 a copy. We did receive two comments. One 305 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,360 came in yesterday. I think one came in, 306 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,439 late [music] Friday. So, I'll give you 307 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:26,959 those just so you have some help. 308 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:30,320 Alleviate some concerns then, 309 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,320 >> as I am pretty sure, most of the 310 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,799 neighbors are going to be opposed. And 311 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:37,280 there is also the issue that Mr. here 312 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,840 brought up that it goes on under the new 313 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,799 rules of the state of Indiana, these 314 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:46,000 things go on your property deed. 315 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,480 And so while you may be very responsible 316 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,720 and decent people, [music] you sell the 317 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,520 property and there's no guarantee, 318 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,160 >> right? 319 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,360 >> You want to correct me? 320 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,487 >> No, I mean generally use variances, 321 00:17:57,487 --> 00:17:58,880 [music] development standards variances, 322 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,400 those do run with the land just like 323 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,720 we've talked about special exceptions. 324 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,480 There are instances a lot of times you 325 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,520 need to let those run with [music] the 326 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,160 land if there's been an investment like 327 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,799 you know conversion to a a new use or 328 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,799 something like that because um 329 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:13,862 especially like accessory dwelling 330 00:18:13,862 --> 00:18:16,799 [music] units you can put some 331 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:18,400 restrictions on that you've done that on 332 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,400 a few others but I wouldn't make that's 333 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,200 not the norm that's not the normal route 334 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,520 when it's something operationally based 335 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,880 um I think it's something you can 336 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,120 consider that's 337 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,200 a little bit of a different use um I 338 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,512 know they are the last parcel in our 339 00:18:33,512 --> 00:18:35,600 [music] jurisdiction. So the other side 340 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,760 of them other side of this property is 341 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,280 in the county's jurisdiction. So they're 342 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,320 right on our edge of [music] our 343 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,640 jurisdiction. Um 344 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,440 >> well I see your situation. 345 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,280 You're literally [music] 2 feet away 346 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,559 from where you could do this in the 347 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:50,320 white care. 348 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,039 >> I apologize for 349 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:54,559 >> not following what was happening in 350 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:56,720 Madison. But before this, we thought we 351 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,520 were in the county, so we just weren't 352 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,880 really paying attention to what was 353 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,600 going on in Mass. 354 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,039 >> Well, you got to live and learn. 355 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,240 >> Yeah. So, 356 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,320 >> you got to learn that you live under 357 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,799 government laws. It's it's called due 358 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:10,559 diligence. 359 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:11,840 And if you were to start [music] a 360 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,360 business, 361 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,280 like you want to build a business, then 362 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,320 you're probably going to take [music] 363 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,240 core samples to see if your ground's 364 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,880 contaminated and various things like 365 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,400 that. 366 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,679 So, you gota Until 367 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:27,440 I got on this board, I was like you. I 368 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,200 didn't realize. 369 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,160 But now I understand that 370 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,919 >> there are an awful lot of things you've 371 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,600 got to look into. 372 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:38,880 >> You're not the first person to get 373 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,640 tripped up, 374 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,840 >> right? No. 375 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,029 >> Um, 376 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,120 » can you chime in? Is there there's still 377 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,320 there's no reason families 378 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,360 can't spend. So RVs are um a little bit 379 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,919 of a tricky one. So RVs, they are not a 380 00:19:55,919 --> 00:19:58,880 HUD approved dwelling unit. So um they 381 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,080 can't be used for permanent residency um 382 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,679 because they're a temporary portable 383 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:05,120 structure. They're not a permanent 384 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:06,720 residence. So people cannot live in 385 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,200 those outside of campgrounds. Within our 386 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,720 jurisdiction, the county's jurisdiction 387 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,679 is the same. [music] Um we don't have 388 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,280 provisions that allow for temporary 389 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,240 occupancy of those. Um again, outside of 390 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,000 a campground. 391 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,760 So that's kind of where you run into a 392 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,559 little bit of this this issue. 393 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,000 >> Well, if you'd like to think it over, 394 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,520 we'd be glad to table it. 395 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,240 >> Okay. 396 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,480 >> You can ponder it. 397 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,919 So we'll do that. 398 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:32,720 >> Yes. 399 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,000 >> You want to go ahead and do public 400 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,520 comment and have the public hearing now 401 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,280 or you tableabling everything till the 402 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:37,679 next meeting? 403 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:40,400 >> We'll table it till the next meeting. I 404 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,640 think we're trying to look out. We're 405 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,799 considering you, but we also we've been 406 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:47,600 through this on K Road. 407 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,840 As I talked to my neighbors, I learned 408 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,840 that they've been through this on K 409 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,600 Road. 410 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,240 >> Yeah, 411 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,600 >> we're learning. 412 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,720 >> Scott, do you want to make sure there's 413 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,919 nobody who's in attend [music] 414 00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:59,840 attendance today that can't attend the 415 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,600 next meeting just in case there's a 416 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,360 comment? Just a thought. So for you. 417 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,600 >> Well, that's just a few folks that have 418 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,080 a seat. 419 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,880 >> All right. 420 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,000 >> As [music] 421 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 our secretary, Miss Williams, pointed 422 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,559 out, if any of you in our next regular 423 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,919 meeting August 14th, mber 14th [music] 424 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:20,000 >> August 14th September se 425 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720 >> September excuse me September 14th if 426 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,799 you can't be here on that day have an 427 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,400 obligation 428 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,480 then we'd be glad to take like a two or 429 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,039 three minute comment from you so you can 430 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,520 be heard otherwise we'll postpone 431 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,679 comments till that [music] next regular 432 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,280 meeting 433 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,720 >> out of town 434 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,679 >> well come on up 435 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,200 years 436 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,480 >> can you state your name and address 437 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,159 please thanks [music] 438 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:49,679 Terry can live at 2400 Caster Lane. I've 439 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:51,120 farmed up here in 30 [music] some years 440 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,440 and you know we pull we pull semis in 441 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,400 there or 30 34 foot trailers you know 442 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,080 it's 443 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,919 like you said a public campground now 444 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,919 family I would have no problem with but 445 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:03,440 I don't think they need to be in now 446 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,200 they're all the time like the public 447 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,760 campground and didn't you say on the law 448 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,200 they stated the road had to be 24 foot. 449 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,200 Well, that's the uh 450 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,320 >> internal driveway. 451 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,799 >> The entrance off of the public road has 452 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:20,480 to be 25 wide and 453 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 >> uh paved for the first 200 ft. 454 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,159 >> Like I said, you know, I know I cannot 455 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:25,840 get up through there and stay on my side 456 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,360 of the road on them turns on the hills, 457 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,600 especially that's what you know would 458 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,960 concern me. 459 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,840 >> Thank you. 460 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,600 >> You're welcome. 461 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,159 If anybody else cannot be here on 462 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:38,000 September [music] 14th and you'd like to 463 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,840 say a brief comment for the record, 464 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,909 you're sure welcome. 465 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:46,559 My name is Roger Ward. I'm president of 466 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,679 Rers Water Company, which this falls 467 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:51,679 under our jurisdiction. I have a 468 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:54,240 document I want to submit [music] to you 469 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,240 all that may or may not help you in 470 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 future endeavors. I'll read it out loud. 471 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,880 Dearba members, this letter is to inform 472 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,400 you that Kro [music] Jefferson County 473 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,360 Indiana has a moratorum in place and at 474 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,440 this time no water taps for water are 475 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,200 available. This moratorum has been in 476 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,039 place for several [music] years signed 477 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,799 by the board of directors. I just want 478 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,159 this on record that will help you that 479 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,799 next time a K road thing comes up there 480 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,760 is no water available. 481 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,480 >> Thank you. 482 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,159 >> I'll take that and skin it in 483 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:29,280 >> and board. I move we accept this letter 484 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,760 into the public record. 485 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,559 Second. 486 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,159 >> All in favor say I. I. 487 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,640 >> I. Oppos. No. It's accepted. 488 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,640 >> And one clarification too. Um I believe 489 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,720 our Oh, this is a use variance. So there 490 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,640 would be no time necessarily limit on 491 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,480 that, but special exceptions would be a 492 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,000 two years. You could establish the use 493 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,320 within two years. So um don't know when 494 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,480 that might be lifted, but um doesn't 495 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,799 sound like maybe within the couple year 496 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,559 frame maybe. But okay. 497 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,240 Uh 498 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,671 well, we have 499 00:24:01,671 --> 00:24:03,600 [music] 500 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760 taken care of any possible public 501 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,880 comments and 502 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,151 we do not move to table it. So I move 503 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:13,919 [music] we table this application till 504 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,789 our next regular meeting. 505 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:19,600 » Have a second. 506 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,880 >> Second. 507 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,720 >> All in favor say I. 508 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,559 >> I. 509 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,600 oppose. No. 510 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,470 Uh folks, 511 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,360 so if any of you folk I suspect some of 512 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,640 you are here on account of this, we will 513 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,880 take the whole issue up unless the 514 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,919 applicants withdraw it obviously, but we 515 00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:46,880 will take the issue up and have comment 516 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,120 as needed at our September 14 regular 517 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,640 meeting. 518 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,679 So, if any of you uh like to leave now, 519 00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,520 if you're not interested in staying on 520 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,760 watching our solemn proceedings, you're 521 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:06,789 sure welcome. [music] 522 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:14,549 Okay. [music] 523 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:24,950 Okay. Next item on the agenda. 524 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,950 is BZVD-26-8 525 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,840 Luke Taylor Tammy Bednar requesting 526 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,159 variance from developmental standards 527 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:38,000 for an accessory [music] structure 528 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,640 setback 828 West 2nd Street. So somebody 529 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,640 speaking on their behalf. Yes sir. 530 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,960 give your name and address and explain 531 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,400 the situation. 532 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,120 >> Name is Luke Taylor. Uh I live in Scott 533 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,880 County, but address in question is 828 534 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,149 West Second Street. 535 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:03,520 And you are requesting 536 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,159 a variance from developmental standards, 537 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:08,720 I understand, 538 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,840 to install a carport type of a roof 539 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,159 thing over an existing driveway. 540 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:16,000 >> Yes, sir. 541 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,520 And the driveway has been there I 542 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,279 presume since Noah's flood 543 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:22,880 >> sometime. Yes. [music] At 544 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,070 >> least the 37 545 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,279 and you're just simply going to you have 546 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:32,880 to have a variance because it's a 547 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,960 structure and the driveway was situated 548 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,880 such that you have to do this one of 549 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 these things we run into downtown all 550 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080 the time. 551 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Board members, do you have any questions 552 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,710 or comments? 553 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,559 » A reasonable sense to me. I mean, just a 554 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,799 carport [music] iss pretty simple. 555 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,919 Garage or blocked view of anything. 556 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:59,120 >> It's just an open typical carport with 557 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,200 nothing but some pillars and a roof. 558 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,400 >> Yes, sir. 559 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,039 >> To specify it is a the required setback 560 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,200 is 3 ft. He's requesting approximately a 561 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000 foot um set back from that property 562 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 line. And there is an existing [music] 563 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,120 privacy fence between that property line 564 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,120 that does not want to stay on here. Um 565 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,840 that property line [music] and uh the 566 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,000 carport. 567 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240 So you have 568 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720 lot line here, 569 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,919 privacy fence here, driveway here, 570 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:36,880 and you want to put [music] 571 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,440 the uh carport roof right smack over the 572 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440 driveway. 573 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080 So you're already 574 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240 constrained by a privacy fence that's 575 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,080 probably been there forever. 576 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320 >> Yes, sir. The privacy fence is the 577 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 neighbors to the north of the It's not 578 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,600 uh Miss Bendar's property, but it's the 579 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,750 neighbors of the north property. 580 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,799 Okay. Any questions or comments, board 581 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,360 members? 582 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,360 >> I don't see 583 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,919 build. 584 00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:12,640 >> Correct. Correct. 585 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,000 >> All right. 586 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000 >> I got approved for the board of 587 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,200 appropriate or certificate of 588 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,880 appropriate 589 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,640 historic board and get it approved. So 590 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,240 that will fit the historic character. 591 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,080 >> No issue with a water shed or anything 592 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840 off the roof to your neighbor. 593 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,000 >> I'm running a gutter on the back end and 594 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,200 it's going to come down the driveway 595 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,399 towards the road. So it's going to be 596 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,799 the same water flow as right now. 597 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,240 >> Okay. Very good. Thank you. 598 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,080 >> Which is the only consideration because 599 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,440 you can't dump your water on the 600 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,480 neighbor's lot. 601 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,750 >> Correct. 602 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360 » Would anybody in the audience like to 603 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,600 speak for or against this application? 604 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240 Well, seeing none, you can have a seat, 605 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,720 sir. 606 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720 >> Thank you. 607 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,760 >> We will go through our findings of fact 608 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,360 uh 609 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,600 is variance developmental standards. 610 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,919 Three criteria. Number one, it's not 611 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,600 injurious to public health safety 612 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,600 morals. 613 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,520 Uh Mr. Eagland, 614 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,360 >> no, it's not. It's going to be a nice 615 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,080 addition. 616 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,679 >> Mr. Ramik, I have no issues. 617 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:21,919 Um, I see no 618 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:23,600 possible way that's going to adversely 619 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,559 affect anything. I think that one's met. 620 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,679 Uh, number two, use and value of the 621 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:31,600 area adjacent to the property is not 622 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,600 affected in a substantially adverse 623 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,760 manner. Mr. Eagland, 624 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,120 >> no, I think it approved because his 625 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440 neighbor also has a [music] carport, 626 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120 some additions down there. So, it's kind 627 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,679 of a improving neighborhood down there. 628 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:45,679 I think this is just help. 629 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:50,480 >> Mr. ceramic. Sounds good. And uh I see 630 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440 no, we've certainly had no testimony 631 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,919 from a recognized authority that 632 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,760 anything's going to be adversely hurt. 633 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,799 So I think that one's met. 634 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,240 And number three, 635 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,080 strict application of this ordinance 636 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,480 will result in a practical difficulty. 637 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080 What is it, Mr. Eagland? I don't see any 638 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,640 real hard nothing tough about this one. 639 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,080 Pretty simple. Mr. Amik, 640 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,919 I agree. It's straightforward. 641 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,320 Uh 642 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,399 the practical difficulty and the reason 643 00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:30,320 he has to have the variance of 644 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,559 development standards is that it is 645 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,880 considered a structure and it's within 646 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,679 the three-foot limit. 647 00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:40,640 So, I think that one's met. 648 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,919 Well, having gone through our 649 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:46,080 application and our findings of fact, 650 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,039 I take a motion. 651 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,706 I'll make a motion we approve BZVD-26-8. 652 00:30:51,706 --> 00:30:55,430 [music] 653 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,389 » And could we have a roll call? 654 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:04,799 >> Yes. 655 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:23,190 >> And we wish you well, sir. 656 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,679 The next item on the agenda agenda 657 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,399 BZVD-26-9 [music] 658 00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,919 590 East Clifty Drive. It was a request 659 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,440 for variance from developmental 660 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440 standards for a primary structure 661 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,840 setback. That one has requested to be 662 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,559 tabled [music] till our next regular 663 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,480 meeting 664 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000 >> that we need to table it because we 665 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120 won't have a quorum. Um 666 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,389 >> yeah, 667 00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,880 » that's a good reason. 668 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120 I move we table this application till 669 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,279 our next regular meeting. 670 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,760 >> I'll second the motion. 671 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240 >> And can we have a roll call? 672 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,360 >> Thanks. Scott Baldwin, 673 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,840 >> yes. 674 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,640 >> Carl England, 675 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,377 >> yes. and Brian Amy, you're going to 676 00:32:06,377 --> 00:32:08,480 [music] abstain. Okay, that's what I 677 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440 thought you said. Two to one abstain. 678 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,799 And just to clarify, too, that's 679 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,640 September 14th, [music] 6 PM at city 680 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960 hall. 681 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,590 >> Uh, next item on the agenda, BZCU-26-8, 682 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,240 Kevin Mason, uh, from Electriccom.inc. 683 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,320 Special exception approval to operate a 684 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880 short-term rental at 508 Jefferson 685 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,399 Street. 686 00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,480 We have somebody come up and address 687 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,870 this. 688 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,200 » My name is Lori Kendall representing 689 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Electriccom, Inc. and the property is at 690 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,679 508 Jefferson Street. 691 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,440 >> And 692 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,519 just exactly what are you planning on 693 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,360 doing there? 694 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,080 >> We [music] 695 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,720 um would like to operate a short-term 696 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,399 vacation rental like a Airbnb. Um, our 697 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:05,600 company currently has four, three in 698 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,602 French and one here in Madison, which is 699 00:33:08,602 --> 00:33:11,120 [music] actually connected to this 700 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,640 building. 701 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,519 So, we're just wanting to um allow 702 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,080 variance for us [music] to have a 703 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,240 short-term vacation rental. 704 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000 >> Usually weekends, maybe three-day 705 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,919 weekends. We rarely have somebody that 706 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,720 stays a week, and we only allow two 707 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,000 weeks at a time. 708 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,159 Uh board members, do you have any 709 00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:35,360 questions or comments? 710 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,880 Have there been any complaints with 711 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,679 their 712 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,279 >> Not to my knowledge. No, that was the 713 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:40,799 one I think you [music] you approved 714 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,679 earlier this year. Um maybe January, 715 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:44,559 February, March, somewhere in that 716 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:45,039 range. 717 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,880 >> No problems. 718 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,240 >> No, sir. 719 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,919 >> Probably about the same criteria as far 720 00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,919 as rules and regulations as you 721 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,798 >> absolutely. We do have pretty strict 722 00:33:53,798 --> 00:33:56,080 [music] rules. um no more than the 723 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,679 maximum number allowed for guests. This 724 00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:02,640 is a threebedroom three-bedroom home, so 725 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,480 it would be a six guest [music] 726 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,760 maximum. Okay. 727 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,760 >> Um we require proof of ID. They have to 728 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,679 be an established 729 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,440 uh renter. They've had to have rented 730 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,320 from Airbnb or VRBO before with good 731 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,919 ratings. Um they must be 21. They must 732 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,320 abide by thy quiet hours. So we have 733 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,280 pretty strict 734 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,760 >> Is there any off off streetet parking 735 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,119 back in the alley behind? 736 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,119 >> There is there's garage parking there 737 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,200 and then there's [music] uh front street 738 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,760 parking. 739 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,320 >> Okay. 740 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,079 >> Yeah. 741 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:34,480 >> Four. 742 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,440 [music] Yeah. 743 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,839 >> Okay. Four places. Good. 744 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:40,000 >> Okay. 745 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,839 Let's see. And you have provided rules 746 00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:47,280 which frankly 747 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520 >> we [music] no we do not we cannot 748 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,000 require them to submit those but um I 749 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,560 think if 750 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,679 >> I think we did with the pre with the one 751 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,480 next door but I didn't with this one the 752 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,640 same you can apply those same rules. 753 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,870 >> They are the same. [music] Yes. 754 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,800 » Board members. Any other questions or 755 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,270 comments? 756 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,040 Would anyone in the audience like to 757 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,720 speak for against this? 758 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,839 >> Apparently not. 759 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:21,599 >> I lost our audience. [laughter] 760 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,119 >> They're country people. 761 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,119 Well, you can have a a seat, ma'am. 762 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,109 >> Thank you. 763 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:36,870 » This is a special exception. [music] 764 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,520 And we have several findings in fact we 765 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,480 have to go through six of them. 766 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,079 Uh so the first one 767 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,359 I'll just briefly go [music] through 768 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,400 them and you can 769 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,079 for the purposes of the record if 770 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,560 somebody's watching 771 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,280 I will read the category and I'll just 772 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,640 ask if any of you have any objections. 773 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,960 Uh the first fact 774 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,720 uh is will this detrimental or endanger 775 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,800 public health, safety, morals or general 776 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,920 welfare? Anybody have any issues there? 777 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,280 >> No. No. 778 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,599 >> Uh fact two, 779 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,865 a special exception is not injurious to 780 00:36:19,865 --> 00:36:21,359 [music] use and enjoyment of other 781 00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:26,240 property in the immediate vicinity. 782 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,400 No problems. Number three, [music] 783 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400 uh this special exception will not 784 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,720 impede or substantially older the normal 785 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,960 and orderly development and improvement 786 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,760 of surrounding property for uses in this 787 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,760 district. Any problems? 788 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,599 >> No issues. 789 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,839 >> Number four, there are adequate 790 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:49,359 utilities, access road, drainage, etc. 791 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:50,400 Any issues? 792 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640 >> No. 793 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,960 Number five, 794 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,359 uh there they have taken adequate 795 00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:00,079 measures to provide ingress and egress 796 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,040 to minimize traffic congestion. 797 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,760 >> Yes. 798 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,920 >> Any any issues? 799 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,440 >> No. 800 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000 >> And number six, 801 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400 it's located in a district which where 802 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,880 such use is permitted 803 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,880 and they will meet any other 804 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,760 requirements in this UDO. 805 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,589 Any issues? 806 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:31,030 that we will take a motion. 807 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,839 I move we approve the special exception. 808 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,160 Second motion 809 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880 and we have a roll call. 810 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,960 >> Of course. Uh Scott Baldwin. 811 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,599 >> Yes. 812 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:44,480 >> Carl England. 813 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:44,880 >> Yes. 814 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,160 >> Brian Brian Amik. [music] 815 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960 >> Yes. 816 00:37:48,960 --> 00:38:01,349 Well, we wish you well, ladies. 817 00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:05,040 And last item on our agenda, 818 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,286 BZVU-26-5, 819 00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:08,240 [music] 820 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,990 Linda Lockach, 821 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,079 requesting a variance of use to operate 822 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,960 a short-term rental. 823 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,000 I understand it's it says here 945 West 824 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,280 second but that's also 947 as well. 825 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:23,760 >> Yes, 826 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,520 >> there are two addresses. 827 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,400 >> Well, I own 947. 828 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520 >> So, your application is for 947. [music] 829 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,320 >> Yes. 830 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,880 >> And 945 is what I had said. 831 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,440 >> I know, but when I came in several 832 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520 times, it [music] had something to do 833 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,440 with a zoning issue and 834 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,551 >> Okay. So I kept saying it's 947 and they 835 00:38:48,551 --> 00:38:49,920 [music] understand it 836 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960 >> and it was advertised as the comp like 837 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,446 when we did the mailings and everything, 838 00:38:54,446 --> 00:38:54,880 [music] 839 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,520 >> right? I put 840 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,880 >> it was advertised for both of them. So 841 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,320 >> yeah, I put in parentheses 947 when I 842 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,240 sent out the certified [music] 843 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,040 >> letters. 844 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,079 >> Well, then I think we're on 845 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,480 solid ground. 846 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,040 I don't think anybody's going to file 847 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000 huge lawsuits. 848 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,190 Uh let's see here. 849 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:27,270 » So, you're requesting a variance of use. 850 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,359 » And I'll explain that too. 851 00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,040 >> You normally get these coming in as our 852 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,480 special exception or what we used to 853 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,720 call conditional uses. Um, so the 854 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,839 difference here is she is actually zoned 855 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:41,200 local business and surrounded by HDR 856 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,880 more or less. And I can I'm going to 857 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,882 actually zoom up here actually in 858 00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:46,960 [music] the application. Here we go in 859 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,079 the staff report. So she is the this is 860 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,680 the parcel we're kind of talking about 861 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000 on the screen. I don't know why that TV 862 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,040 turned [music] off, but I don't know if 863 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,640 you guys it's in your packet on this 864 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,440 page. 865 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,000 >> And then the pink around it is HDR. So, 866 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240 HDR, that would be a special exception 867 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,119 use local business. Um, it's one of 868 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,800 those things that's on my list as we go 869 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,160 through the six-month assessment here, 870 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,359 and we'll start that in the next month 871 00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:12,320 or two to to consider that to just make 872 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,012 it permitted um within that district. 873 00:40:15,012 --> 00:40:16,560 [music] Uh because you can have a lot 874 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,240 more intense commercial uses within 875 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,839 local business. The reason it wasn't 876 00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:21,760 initially put in there was because we 877 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,200 typically don't have our single family 878 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,960 dwellings in a local business [music] 879 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,480 district in a business district for 880 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480 single family dwellings or you know 881 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,320 duplexes. Um now [music] that's not the 882 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,160 case cuz I don't know the history of why 883 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,359 this little corner is zoned local 884 00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,359 business and not HDR. [music] 885 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:40,240 Um 886 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,079 >> may have been a grocery store once. 887 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,920 >> It probably was something at one point. 888 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,960 Um, and again, you can kind of see that 889 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,160 those are um it's that corner parcel. 890 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,520 I'm going to zoom in here and then the 945 947. So, this parcel and then 891 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,200 those I don't know why these were zoned 892 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,680 at compared to right you could have had 893 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,800 something commercial. You have those 894 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,319 mixed in with HDR. [music] 895 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:06,560 Um, so that's the need for a variance 896 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,079 versus 897 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,240 just a special exception. Would it be 898 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,440 better all around if she just went to 899 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,200 plan commission and just have the 900 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,520 property reszoned? Something rational? 901 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,720 >> So, we [music] did talk we talked 902 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,000 through kind of all the options, right? 903 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,520 You can go through use variance, you can go through reszoning. Um, this 904 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520 does preserve more [music] commercial 905 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,960 options if you ever wanted to do those 906 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,319 in the future. Um, because if you go to 907 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,520 HDR, a lot of those commercial options 908 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,543 fall off. But right now you could put 909 00:41:37,543 --> 00:41:40,720 [music] a hotel on that locate and 910 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,400 obviously it's constrained by the site. 911 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,000 But [music] um you can put a lot more 912 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280 intense uses on that site. 913 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520 >> So if we give her abuse, we are 914 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,839 potentially disrupting a neighborhood 915 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:55,280 where everybody went thinking it was HDR 916 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,193 and they wanted to live there and now 917 00:41:57,193 --> 00:41:58,640 [music] all of a sudden somebody comes 918 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,240 in and puts a gambling casino. 919 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,399 >> Be a small one on that parcel, but 920 00:42:04,399 --> 00:42:05,760 [laughter] 921 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,119 Um, again, I think that's the this use 922 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,480 is actually probably more appropriate 923 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,160 for the surrounding uses um than a more 924 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,480 intense commercial local commercial, you 925 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,680 know, use that would be permitted in 926 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,000 that LB [music] district. So, 927 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,079 >> I can see that may well have been a 928 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:23,839 grocery store because that's West 929 00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:26,319 Madison, I think, and that was a whole 930 00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:30,160 another entity once upon a time. And 931 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,520 there did used to be a lot of 932 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,760 neighborhood grocery stores which don't 933 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,160 exist anymore. 934 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,000 >> And the comprehensive plan does identify 935 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,780 this as the neighborhood mixeduse area. 936 00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:40,720 [music] 937 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,920 So, I know again you have some 938 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,200 sprinkling. We used to have a district 939 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,880 called the specialty district, the SD 940 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,480 district that [music] got kind of 941 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,040 combined and absorbed into HDR because 942 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,280 it was small scale, right? It wasn't the 943 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800 larger scale um commercial uses. So, but 944 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,880 when we did do the map [music] um 945 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,880 adoption, we just solely converted the 946 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,119 map. Uh with the new UDO, we did not 947 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,200 reszone anybody. this would have been 948 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200 one you could have considered but again 949 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,720 allowing for those commercial [music] 950 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,119 corner stores is I think you know a 951 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:15,040 valid thing too in the future. 952 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,079 It's just I see the point of people who 953 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,280 buy properties under the assumption that 954 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,720 this is just going to be a peaceful 955 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,720 neighborhood and either I'm going to 956 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,800 live in it or I'm going to put an Airbnb 957 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,480 here 958 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,920 and my Airbnb is going to be 959 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,920 viable because it's such a charming 960 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,440 little neighborhood. And then somebody 961 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,880 comes in and puts a cowboy bar 962 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,720 and there is such a thing over on that 963 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,640 side of town in the middle of a 964 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,280 residential area. There's a bar. 965 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,560 I saw you come out of that. 966 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,000 >> But those are permitted by right. I 967 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,440 mean, so those commercial uses are 968 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,520 permitted by [music] right. Some of 969 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,119 those, you know what I mean? By right 970 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,119 today. So that's um 971 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,119 I think outside that debate, [music] I 972 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,240 guess. Does that make sense? 973 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:02,960 >> Yeah. 974 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,720 >> Um we'll make sure 975 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,160 we're not trying to [music] 976 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,599 we're not discussing actually putting 977 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,440 anything else like that in there. This 978 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,280 brings it down a little bit in terms of 979 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880 the intensity [music] of what it could 980 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,240 be by right. 981 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,040 >> Board members, I've spoken my beast. Do 982 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,720 any of you have any comments, any 983 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,680 opinions, any feelings, any questions 984 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,920 for applicant? 985 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,400 >> I guess you have rules and regulations 986 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,040 and 987 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,240 >> Yes, I have rules. Uh, no pets. [music] 988 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,040 Uh, limited number of people will mostly 989 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,359 be used on the weekends. 990 00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:42,911 Uh, I have I live my residence is 991 00:44:42,911 --> 00:44:45,280 [music] across the street, so I know 992 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,680 pretty much what's going on. 993 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,480 >> And uh I have a garage to park my 994 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,680 vehicles [music] in. So there's plenty 995 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,000 of parking in that area even when there 996 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,280 are [music] events going on here in town 997 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000 and um the neighbors [music] have been 998 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,880 notified and they are in agreement. 999 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,280 >> Good. 1000 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,146 >> And heard back from the neighbors. 1001 00:45:07,146 --> 00:45:08,480 [music] 1002 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,000 So, uh, I have a manager who has done 1003 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,359 this, uh, with quite a few people here 1004 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,281 in town, and so she's going to basically 1005 00:45:18,281 --> 00:45:21,760 [music] take care of of running it. 1006 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,960 >> So, she'll be 24-hour call if needed. 1007 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,359 >> Yes, 1008 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:26,319 >> she'll be on the call, 1009 00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:28,160 >> right? her phone number be on the wall 1010 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,280 there somewhere where 1011 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,599 >> Yes, she I have my own book with her 1012 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,680 number in it and I have uh 1013 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,839 extra lock in case something goes wrong 1014 00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:42,516 with the automatic lock and um I think 1015 00:45:42,516 --> 00:45:43,040 [music] 1016 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,359 um actually the neighborhood's kind of 1017 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:47,200 improved because I knew that was going 1018 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,880 to go in because I have to take care of 1019 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,359 the alleys and some of the other 1020 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:52,960 properties [music] that are not being 1021 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920 taken care of. I have to clean it up. So 1022 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,599 it looks presentable. So I think [music] 1023 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,599 it's been the idea has been beneficial. 1024 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,359 >> Yeah, you're in the you are in a 1025 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:05,680 improving neighborhood. 1026 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,000 >> Definitely. Things are getting better. 1027 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,880 So yeah, I think it's be a nice fit. 1028 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,720 >> Any other questions or comments, board 1029 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,680 members? 1030 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,000 >> Scott, you did have one public comment 1031 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,720 that was submitted. He did put in there 1032 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,000 he's requesting [music] it to be read. 1033 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,319 So that's up to you. Um, but at least 1034 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,920 making sure that gets into the record 1035 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,359 with you guys from a 1036 00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:30,960 >> Yes, we are. David Weise. 1037 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,240 >> David Weise. 1038 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,319 >> Um, and reading it, you're 947. 1039 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,319 Correct. One of the statements it does 1040 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:44,240 say 9 the the 947 Airbnb was done 1041 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,160 properly. We have no complaints. That's 1042 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,720 the 947. I think his complaints do 1043 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,839 center around 945. [music] So, excluding 1044 00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:52,720 that, that's 1045 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,119 >> right. because they do not mow their 1046 00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:56,400 yard and I 1047 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,040 >> He does take care, 1048 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,640 >> you know, I take care of their sidewalk 1049 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,400 and their alley 1050 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,000 >> and but I [music] can't go on their 1051 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,240 property to take care of their lawn, 1052 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:04,880 >> right? 1053 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,319 >> So, uh you know, he lives directly in 1054 00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:12,480 back [music] of me and um I don't think 1055 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,319 that we have any problems. 1056 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,319 >> Okay. And I would make sure any [music] 1057 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:20,480 motion specifies 947 and then that's 1058 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,960 all. 1059 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,720 >> Right. And you are correct. His letter 1060 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,680 is mostly about 945. 1061 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,200 In fact, he compliments 947 1062 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,520 as being an Airbnb that was done right. 1063 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,119 Uh can wait one moment. Ma'am, I move we 1064 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,440 accept this letter from David Weise into 1065 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,720 the public record. 1066 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:41,839 >> I second your motion. 1067 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,880 >> All in favor say I. I. Oppose. No. It's 1068 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,119 accepted. 1069 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,359 >> Uh one last chance. Board members, any 1070 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:52,720 other questions or comments? 1071 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,800 I doubt there will be any public 1072 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680 comment. 1073 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:09,829 >> Well, you can have a seat, ma'am. 1074 00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:15,589 And this is a variance of use 1075 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,920 being done 1076 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,760 because this is one of those weird 1077 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,119 things that comes up downtown 1078 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,839 from a very old downtown that started to 1079 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:31,670 have zoning ordinance in 1966. 1080 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,473 And every so often these things come up. 1081 00:48:33,473 --> 00:48:35,280 [music] So this is for variance of use. 1082 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,880 There are five findings of fact. 1083 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,559 I will go through them and I'm going to 1084 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,400 ask you each to [music] comment because 1085 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,000 as one very astute man I knew once put 1086 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000 it, a variance of use is an end run 1087 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,960 around the zoning ordinance. 1088 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,960 Maybe not in this case because of the 1089 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,520 circumstances. 1090 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,000 So number one, it's not injurious to the 1091 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,680 public health, safety, morals, general 1092 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,440 welfare. Mr. England. 1093 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,800 >> No, it's not. 1094 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,920 >> Mr. Amik, 1095 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,559 >> I agree it's not. 1096 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,480 >> Um, 1097 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,480 I don't see any way it is either. I 1098 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,359 think that's met. Number two, 1099 00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,440 uh, that's the use and value of adjacent 1100 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,319 properties not being hurt. Uh, Mr. 1101 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:21,680 Eagland, 1102 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,200 >> I'm referred, 1103 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,319 >> Mr. Amik. 1104 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:31,280 and we've heard no testimony that it 1105 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760 potentially will harm 1106 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,079 property values or anything. So, I think 1107 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,760 that one's met. Number three, 1108 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,280 this is a big one. The need for the 1109 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,920 variance arises from some condition 1110 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,160 peculiar to this property. What is it, 1111 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,119 Mr. England? 1112 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,440 >> The local business. 1113 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,480 But uh yeah, I think uh I think it's 1114 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,880 necessary to allow the variance. 1115 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,990 >> Mr. Amic. [music] 1116 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,710 » Yeah, I agree. 1117 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,599 » And that is definitely a peculiarity 1118 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,319 that it's all zoned HDR. 1119 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,400 But here's one place that [music] for 1120 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,440 who knows why 1121 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,520 was owned local business once 1122 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,440 and 1123 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,680 local business does not allow housing 1124 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,480 like this. So, I think that's pretty 1125 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,559 valid. 1126 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,880 Uh, number four, 1127 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,800 strict application of the zoning 1128 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,960 ordinance will constitute an unnecessary 1129 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,440 hardship if it's applied to this 1130 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000 property. Mr. England, 1131 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,119 >> I don't say hardship. 1132 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,750 >> Mr. ceramic. 1133 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,079 The unnecessary hardship is that for 1134 00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,000 some bizarre reason, it's not zoomed 1135 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,079 properly to let it be used for what 1136 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,280 everything around it is used for. 1137 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,480 So, I think that one's met. Number five, 1138 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,319 uh, the approval does not interfere 1139 00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:12,400 substantially with the comprehensive 1140 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,400 plan, 1141 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640 Mr. Eagland. No, it it does not 1142 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480 interfere point, 1143 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,359 >> Mr. Amik. I agree. 1144 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,880 And the comprehensive plan is partly 1145 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,960 that document and partly the list of 1146 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,040 uses and partly where it is. 1147 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,160 So, I think that one's met. 1148 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,599 Okay, we have a motion. 1149 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,240 Make a motion we accept 1150 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,839 BZ 1151 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:44,735 U-26-5. 1152 00:51:44,735 --> 00:51:46,319 [music] 1153 00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:50,559 >> Second. Think we have a roll call? 1154 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:52,000 >> Of course. Scott Baldwin. 1155 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:52,319 >> Yes. 1156 00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:53,119 >> Carl England. 1157 00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:53,520 >> Yes. 1158 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,240 >> Braining. 1159 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,720 >> Yes. 1160 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,000 >> And that concludes our 1161 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,000 list of items. 1162 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000 Miss Williams, is there anything I have 1163 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,880 forgotten? 1164 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,350 >> No, there is not. I was just going to 1165 00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:08,960 [music] note that originally um I think 1166 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,359 it was because of holidays in September 1167 00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,000 and multiple meetings getting bumped. 1168 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,720 Originally we were advertised on a 1169 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,720 Thursday or Tuesday in September. It was 1170 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,359 revertised as September 14th because 1171 00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:23,599 nobody was in this room. So we kept our 1172 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,880 same second Monday schedule. Um so that 1173 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,800 is noted. It has been readvertised with 1174 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,240 paper and you know through those 1175 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,839 channels. [music] Uh but just want to 1176 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:33,839 note that in case you had an original 1177 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:35,280 schedule. 1178 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,720 >> Okay. 1179 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,400 >> Yep. 1180 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,559 >> Very good. Well, 1181 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,480 >> that concludes everything. Motion to 1182 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,200 adjurnn. 1183 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,960 >> So move. 1184 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,640 >> All in favor say I. 1185 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:56,776 >> I. Post. No. We are ajourned. 1186 00:52:56,786 --> 00:52:58,806 » [music]