[0:07] Call this meeting to order.
[0:09] Thank you for coming.
[0:11] We need to do the pledge of allegiance.
[0:14] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:16] United States of America, and to the
[0:17] republic for which it stands,
[0:20] one nation
[0:21] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:23] justice for all.
[0:26] » I just want to make sure that all select
[0:27] board members are here this evening.
[0:38] Okay, consent agenda.
[0:40] AP warrants number 29 dated 4 13 2026.
[0:44] Motion to approve.
[0:46] >> I'll make a motion to approve the
[0:49] AP warrants and payroll registers.
[0:52] Oh, you haven't got payroll. I'm sorry.
[0:54] For the AP warrants.
[0:56] >> I'll second.
[0:57] >> All in favor?
[0:59] Payroll registers number 15 dated 4 9
[1:02] 2026, number 16 dated 4 16 2026.
[1:07] >> So moved.
[1:08] >> Second.
[1:09] >> All in favor?
[1:13] I need a motion for acceptance of the
[1:15] minutes of the select board meeting of 4
[1:17] 13
[1:18] 2026.
[1:19] >> So moved.
[1:20] >> Second.
[1:25] All in favor?
[1:28] Old business, um update for the
[1:30] postponed joint Oh, sorry.
[1:32] Joint budget advisory meeting.
[1:34] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:35] >> Um so, we'll be scheduling the budget
[1:38] advisory meeting for May 4th.
[1:41] We delayed just so we're making sure
[1:43] that we're reviewing everything and have
[1:44] all the information.
[1:46] Um
[1:47] it'll be at
[1:50] 6:30 p.m.
[1:52] There will be information sent out as
[1:54] soon as possible.
[1:56] Uh the reason for delay is just trying
[1:58] to be as thorough as possible,
[1:59] >> [clears throat]
[2:00] >> but we'll try to get the information out
[2:01] so everybody can review it, please, on
[2:03] the committee.
[2:05] Um, and have the supplemental
[2:06] information for the public for this day.
[2:11] » Okay. Any questions or comments?
[2:14] Seeing none,
[2:15] um, we'll move on to update regarding
[2:17] bank reconciliations and audit.
[2:21] >> So, we talked about this at the last
[2:23] meeting, just providing an update, and
[2:26] uh, Patrick Dolan from the county had
[2:27] come in and offered some help in
[2:30] just reviewing uh, where we're at with
[2:32] journaling and make sure making sure
[2:34] that everything is good before we send a
[2:35] work for our last audit. He's come back
[2:38] in, we're wrapping up those journals,
[2:40] and we're preparing within the next week
[2:43] to be able to send stuff to the
[2:44] auditors. So, we're moving forward, and
[2:47] um, we'll continue to update as we have
[2:49] more progress.
[2:51] >> Okay.
[2:53] Any questions?
[2:54] >> [clears throat]
[2:55] >> Seeing none, we'll move on to items of
[2:58] communication.
[2:59] Uh, town manager's report on expenses,
[3:01] revenues, and GA week 43 for FY 2015.
[3:07] >> Um, so you'll see in your packet that
[3:09] you have the revenue and expense
[3:11] reports. Um,
[3:13] those show current um, for this week,
[3:15] uh, week 43.
[3:17] Um, I don't have an update on GA at this
[3:20] time. I'm still reviewing. Uh, when I
[3:22] have more information on that, I will
[3:24] provide it, um, but you'll see it in the
[3:26] expense and revenue sheets. There's just
[3:28] nothing specific to note at this time.
[3:32] >> Any questions or any thoughts?
[3:34] No.
[3:35] Okay.
[3:36] Uh,
[3:37] number two, ATV grant update.
[3:40] >> Uh, so I just wanted to let the public
[3:42] and uh, the select board be aware that
[3:45] um, we're looking into doing the ATV
[3:48] grant, uh, same as last year uh, with
[3:50] the ATV club. This is just a
[3:52] pass-through grant.
[3:54] Um
[3:56] And if you have any questions, just let
[3:58] me know. It went well last year, and
[4:00] we're going to be repeating the same
[4:01] process this year.
[4:03] Um and the reimbursement
[4:04] >> [clears throat]
[4:05] >> tended to be about 6 to 8 weeks. Um
[4:07] reviewing everything, I have no concerns
[4:09] in continuing to do it this year.
[4:11] >> And this is a pass-through money like it
[4:13] was before?
[4:13] >> It is. Invoices get submitted and then
[4:16] reimbursed. Right?
[4:18] >> Questions?
[4:20] Seeing none?
[4:21] Do we want to number three?
[4:23] 20 Park Street parcel 943-C, sale of
[4:26] foreclosed properties.
[4:28] >> Um
[4:30] So, this is just an update because last
[4:33] meeting we talked about that we were
[4:35] going to be listing this property.
[4:37] Um we [clears throat] put this on the
[4:39] agenda just to let the public know that
[4:41] we have had offers. Um any offers that
[4:43] have come in will be reviewed in
[4:45] executive session uh because it is a
[4:47] real estate matter, but we wanted to be
[4:50] one that we've already had offers and
[4:51] we'll be reviewing them.
[4:53] >> Questions?
[4:56] You got any questions?
[4:59] Okay. New business. River Road paving
[5:01] project.
[5:04] » Yeah, that would be me. Uh I've had a
[5:05] couple requests from a selectman or two
[5:08] about where we are with that project in
[5:10] the road widening up by the gravel pits
[5:12] um just right around the Barkwell
[5:15] estate.
[5:16] Uh the bids I put some bids out this
[5:18] week and we'll have them back in by
[5:20] Monday. And then uh I'll move forward
[5:23] with an opening those on Monday and then
[5:26] looking like the second week of May that
[5:28] project will be complete.
[5:30] >> How'll you be able to do that quickly?
[5:31] That's good.
[5:32] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[5:34] >> You got any questions?
[5:35] >> Okay.
[5:37] Seeing none. Um
[5:39] number two, to decide whether the
[5:41] planning board should continue working
[5:42] on the mobile food vendor ordinance and
[5:44] on the mobile home rent stabilization
[5:46] ordinance.
[5:47] And Mary, I believe you are here to
[5:51] address those for us.
[5:52] >> Yes, I am.
[5:54] >> Okay.
[5:54] >> Um I do want to alert you to one thing
[5:58] that we did not catch until tonight and
[6:02] um
[6:03] that the mobile home
[6:05] ordinance that we have, it should really
[6:08] be titled mobile home park lot rent.
[6:14] It's not
[6:15] rent stabilization for individual mobile
[6:17] homes, it is for the rental of the lot.
[6:21] And the purpose of that ordinance is to
[6:24] protect those individuals renting within
[6:28] the mobile home parks we have here in
[6:29] Madison. We have two.
[6:31] Um and this is a big concern because
[6:35] many of those people living there on are
[6:37] on limited incomes and as you've
[6:40] probably read in the news that this is
[6:41] an issue happening across the state. Uh
[6:45] companies are coming in and buying up
[6:46] mobile home
[6:48] uh parks and renovating them and raising
[6:51] rents on them and uh this is has been a
[6:55] problem. And it's not just in Maine,
[6:56] it's across the country. So, we thought
[6:59] we would try and see what we could do
[7:02] about this, find out as much as we can
[7:04] and get this started. Um it kind of
[7:08] borders um planning board responsibility
[7:11] in terms of planning, but the other part
[7:13] really is select board because you would
[7:15] have to make multiple decisions
[7:17] regarding this.
[7:18] And one in particular is the fact that
[7:22] this ordinance would require one person
[7:24] to be in charge of it or a board to be
[7:27] in charge of it and that would come
[7:29] under you to appoint um people to do
[7:31] that. And of course, that would probably
[7:33] involve money. So, um cuz it would be
[7:35] too much probably for the CEO to handle.
[7:39] Um and there are some other concerns. At
[7:42] the last planning board meeting, um
[7:44] several citizens were very concerned, uh
[7:46] mostly thinking that this will if I
[7:48] interpreted them right, that this um we
[7:51] were trying to
[7:53] um
[7:54] impact rentals of apartments, and we're
[7:57] not this has nothing to do with that.
[7:59] This is only for the mobile home parks
[8:03] to to protect the citizens that live in
[8:05] those parks.
[8:07] Whether or not they own their trailers,
[8:08] I think most of them do own their
[8:09] trailers.
[8:10] So, um that's why we came up with this
[8:13] to kind of get ahead of the game, and we
[8:15] still have some questions about it.
[8:18] And so, we wanted you to review it, see
[8:21] what you thought, and if you want the
[8:23] board to proceed with it, we would be
[8:25] happy to do so.
[8:27] If not, then at least there's something
[8:29] there,
[8:31] you know, you you have a a draft for the
[8:34] future should you decide to go that
[8:36] route.
[8:37] And put it back to the planning board at
[8:39] that time.
[8:41] Okay. So, the mobile home
[8:44] Excuse me, the mobile vendor ordinance,
[8:47] uh we worked on this last year,
[8:49] and it was brought back so we could work
[8:51] on it some more, and
[8:54] um there were several questions at the
[8:55] last meeting, but um
[8:58] I think we're pretty well set. Um there
[9:00] are still some questions to be answered,
[9:02] but this um was brought before us
[9:05] because of concerns for safety with some
[9:08] of these um being set up and on private
[9:11] property, and there was concerns for
[9:13] safety of children and other people, and
[9:15] also some food safety concerns, and as
[9:18] well as competition with our
[9:20] brick-and-mortar stores or restaurants
[9:22] that we have here in town. So, this
[9:25] ordinance covers that. It eliminates
[9:28] those um
[9:30] fundraising situations where you're
[9:32] having food, whether it's a VFW or a
[9:34] church or what have you.
[9:37] Um
[9:38] then that those are not those are
[9:40] exempted under this.
[9:43] Okay? So
[9:44] um
[9:46] So we we did the best we could. Um
[9:48] Melanie Weston
[9:50] um from KDCOG uh guided us a lot. She
[9:53] wrote the majority of this based on um
[9:55] her knowledge and what's happening
[9:57] around the state. And so again these are
[9:59] just drafts of what we've come up with
[10:01] and for you to consider. And if you'd
[10:03] like us to move forward on that as well
[10:06] then we will do so.
[10:09] We are definitely not ready to have a
[10:11] public hearing on this. You know, we
[10:13] would still need to gather some more
[10:15] information and and and Melanie was
[10:17] going to get back to us with some
[10:19] information regarding the mobile home
[10:22] park lot. But so on your copies put lot
[10:25] rent on there
[10:26] so that you know. Okay? Any questions?
[10:29] >> Any questions?
[10:34] So we
[10:36] on the
[10:38] I would say separately
[10:39] um and do lot rent on the first.
[10:44] Um
[10:45] So
[10:46] if we motion to either
[10:48] have the planning board move forward
[10:50] with this or to
[10:52] >> Do you mind speaking up a little, Sally?
[10:53] I'm having a hard time hearing you
[10:54] sitting here.
[10:57] » Um what I'm
[10:58] Basically we need to vote on the lot
[11:00] rent prop uh
[11:02] project. So um whether we want to table
[11:06] it for now and visit it again later or
[11:09] we want to
[11:10] um con- have the planning board continue
[11:12] working on it at this point in time. Um
[11:15] and so if we
[11:19] Any questions? Any discussion with
[11:21] regard to it?
[11:28] So
[11:29] >> I think I'd make a motion to table. I
[11:30] think I'd make a motion to table it for
[11:32] right now.
[11:35] >> I would make a motion to table it for
[11:36] right now.
[11:38] >> I'll second that.
[11:39] >> Okay. Any further discussion?
[11:42] This point? All right. No.
[11:44] All in favor?
[11:48] Okay. Tabled for now.
[11:49] >> Thank you.
[11:50] >> You're welcome. Thank you.
[11:51] Um okay, so the So the um mobile vendor
[11:54] ordinance, again,
[11:56] um I'm I'm assuming that
[11:58] you are looking for guidance for us to
[12:00] either table or move forward. Okay.
[12:04] Do we have a motion?
[12:06] >> I would make a motion to move forward
[12:08] with that one.
[12:10] >> I'll second.
[12:11] >> Okay.
[12:12] Any questions? Discussions?
[12:15] Seeing none, all in favor?
[12:16] >> Oh, I'm sorry.
[12:17] >> Hold on.
[12:18] Yes, Chris.
[12:19] >> I I
[12:20] A little bit of clarity on the last
[12:22] motion, I guess. When you say you're
[12:23] tabling it, to to when?
[12:26] >> No.
[12:27] There's no set time.
[12:29] >> There's no set time. We're not ready to We're not ready to
[12:33] put that forward at this time.
[12:34] >> Okay.
[12:35] So this could go This could This could
[12:37] go on for months and months?
[12:38] >> It could come back, I'm sure. But I
[12:41] guess my If you don't mind, I'll share
[12:42] my feeling with you. My feeling is that
[12:44] um this is fairly new, and there are a
[12:46] few towns that are looking at it, and
[12:47] they're all doing research. Now, correct
[12:49] me if I'm wrong here. Um
[12:52] the experience with the state, sometimes
[12:54] they
[12:55] throw these things out, and they want us
[12:57] to react, and to do the research, and
[13:00] then they may some at some point go,
[13:02] "Oops, that's not the way we really
[13:04] wanted to do it." I would like to see
[13:05] someone,
[13:07] you know, maybe a couple of towns try it
[13:09] and see how it goes before we make a
[13:11] step like that. Um but obviously there's
[13:13] a lot of opposition to it. Um and I
[13:16] understand why they want it done,
[13:18] because there are people who are on
[13:20] limited incomes and living in mobile
[13:22] home parks. Um
[13:23] but I think at this this in time, I
[13:26] would rather see some experience with it
[13:28] before we go further. We've got the
[13:30] legwork done.
[13:31] >> Yeah.
[13:31] >> Thanks to the planning board.
[13:33] Um and Mary, do you agree with that? I
[13:35] mean, I don't want to have you do the work and
[13:38] then think that we're just going to
[13:40] >> Oh, no. No. That's why we wanted to send
[13:42] it to you and see what you thought.
[13:44] >> We thought that this would be
[13:45] >> Yeah.
[13:45] >> at least a plan. You know, Waterville
[13:47] already has some form of this and
[13:51] several towns are taking the step of
[13:55] um
[13:57] I've lost the word that I want.
[13:59] Moratorium.
[13:59] >> Okay.
[14:00] >> Um place a
[14:01] moratorium of 90 days, 100 and some days
[14:05] um on rental on on these lot rentals,
[14:08] preventing those rents from going up um
[14:10] while they do their research.
[14:13] >> Yes, sir. Do you have a question? Your
[14:14] name, please?
[14:15] >> So is it my clarification on tabling? So
[14:18] you guys are going to vote to have the
[14:20] planning board go back and look at it at
[14:22] a later time?
[14:23] >> If If it comes up, yeah.
[14:24] >> [clears throat]
[14:25] >> So they can't
[14:26] then uh researching this anymore to
[14:28] bring to you?
[14:30] >> Not at this time.
[14:31] And there is There are questions
[14:33] >> was was did the Did you guys ask them to
[14:36] do this originally?
[14:38] >> No.
[14:39] >> this the planning board on their own
[14:40] doing it?
[14:41] >> It It came up at the planning board
[14:42] level.
[14:43] >> Okay. So they can't re- look at it until
[14:46] you guys approve
[14:46] >> until we decide it that we want to look
[14:48] at it. What is your name? I'm sorry.
[14:50] >> Jeff. Jeff.
[14:51] >> Thank you. Oh, Jeff, I know you.
[14:54] >> I know.
[14:56] >> [clears throat]
[14:56] >> Okay. So is that good, Chris? You good?
[14:58] >> Yeah. I I just want to know
[15:00] >> Yeah.
[15:01] >> if it was to come up again, who's going
[15:02] to make the deciding factor on who's
[15:05] going to what they're going to do, I
[15:06] guess.
[15:07] >> It will be the board of selectmen.
[15:08] >> Who comes from here?
[15:09] >> And on the the mobile ordinance, the
[15:12] food ordinance, I guess I have a hard
[15:13] time with this because
[15:16] we the health The state of Maine has
[15:18] health inspectors.
[15:20] If If somebody's setting up shop in our
[15:21] town,
[15:23] they sell hot dogs or french fries at
[15:25] the corner,
[15:26] and there's an issue. Why don't we just
[15:29] Why don't we pick up a phone and call
[15:30] the state and let them investigate it?
[15:32] Why Why are we getting into
[15:34] trying to man that? Who's going to man
[15:37] that? Who's
[15:38] You know,
[15:40] yeah, we have a full-time code
[15:41] enforcement officer, but somebody rolls
[15:42] in on the weekend, like Jeff Watts said
[15:44] last planning board meeting, and sells
[15:47] it Saturday and Sunday, what are you
[15:48] going to track them down on Monday and
[15:50] see if they paid the fees to the town
[15:51] and see if it's already too late. So,
[15:56] why don't we let the state do their job
[15:58] and not not do that? I have a hard time
[16:01] with that, I guess.
[16:02] >> Okay. Do you have any Yes, ma'am.
[16:04] >> Sure.
[16:05] >> Um the whole point of this is safety,
[16:09] um as well as um
[16:13] kind of um
[16:16] preventing competition in a way,
[16:19] uh because we want our people here in
[16:20] town who have businesses to be
[16:22] successful and be able to sell. And the
[16:24] state only inspects for health safety,
[16:27] you know, within the the mobile,
[16:30] um within the wagon, whatever they are
[16:32] using. Okay? The other this way, the
[16:35] town knows who is selling and um
[16:42] and ensure that those vendors are are
[16:45] operating in a respectful way,
[16:49] um because we don't want someone setting
[16:50] up shop right next door to Fonzo's. All
[16:53] right? Um
[16:54] and then we have a new restaurant going
[16:56] in. Well, unless they get permission, we
[16:58] don't want someone selling up setting up
[17:01] a truck and competing with the
[17:02] restaurant.
[17:04] All right. So, but again, the churches
[17:07] and the VFW and other organizations who
[17:10] want to
[17:12] sell food or have meals to raise funds,
[17:15] that is not impacted. Those are not
[17:17] impacted by this ordinance. Cuz we just
[17:20] don't want, you know, if you think about
[17:22] it, do you want a vendor setting up on
[17:24] every corner in this town selling food
[17:27] or in neighborhoods causing traffic
[17:29] situations? And that's what was brought
[17:32] to us.
[17:33] That there were complaints because of
[17:35] traffic concerns and possibility of
[17:37] children getting hurt or hit trying to
[17:40] pull out of the, you know, parking
[17:41] space.
[17:43] >> Okay, so that's how it started with
[17:45] >> Mhm.
[17:45] >> There was concerns about the
[17:46] >> Yes. Yes. Now, we we just didn't come up
[17:49] with this one.
[17:50] Okay? And And just like the other one,
[17:52] we just didn't come up with it. That
[17:53] things happened and and there were
[17:55] complaints. So, but this was
[17:58] um
[17:59] uh
[18:01] You know, and the number of vendors are
[18:03] increasing here in town. So, you know,
[18:06] we want people to be able to sell their
[18:09] food and make a profit, but doing it in
[18:12] a respectful way so that everybody is
[18:15] treated equally.
[18:18] >> Thank you.
[18:19] >> Does that help?
[18:20] >> Yes, that
[18:21] >> Can I add a quick comment to that?
[18:22] >> Sure.
[18:23] >> What about all these Girl Scouts selling
[18:25] cookies everywhere and the kids are
[18:26] running everywhere?
[18:27] >> I know, but we don't
[18:28] >> Where's Where's the safety in that?
[18:29] >> We're not We don't control
[18:30] >> But that's what you're saying. You're
[18:31] saying safety.
[18:32] >> That's up to the leaders.
[18:34] >> But you're still saying safety.
[18:36] >> But they're not, you know,
[18:37] >> They're still selling the food, but
[18:38] >> They are, but that's unrelated to this.
[18:45] » Who's that
[18:46] Yes, Lisa. [snorts]
[18:47] >> Um I thought at the last planning board
[18:49] meeting they voted to table the mobile
[18:52] food vendor ordinance until August.
[18:56] Isn't that what Jay wanted to do and
[18:57] everybody agreed?
[18:59] >> Well, they can start working on it if
[19:01] the select board wanted us to continue
[19:03] working on it.
[19:04] >> Okay, cuz I did actually type up the
[19:06] questions like I said I would. Um there
[19:08] was four pages of them.
[19:10] It's eight pages of ordinance and
[19:13] overreaching
[19:15] control on the local level. It's not
[19:17] business friendly.
[19:19] It's just actually I think the number of
[19:22] vendors is actually decreasing from what
[19:25] I've seen.
[19:26] But um we're talking about a single
[19:28] digit number of people that this is
[19:31] targeting and they're already
[19:33] they're regulated by the state. They
[19:35] have to have a
[19:37] serve safe serve food license,
[19:40] inspection by the state, and a
[19:42] registration by the state.
[19:45] I just don't think that
[19:47] it's just too overreaching. I mean eight
[19:49] pages, it's going to be a lot on your
[19:51] CEO.
[19:53] I just don't know why you wouldn't just
[19:55] go with the guidance of the, you know,
[19:58] table it until August or a table it
[20:00] forget. I mean
[20:03] It's it's not if you don't think
[20:04] something is is, you know, the food
[20:06] isn't clean, don't go there. Go to
[20:07] McDonald's instead. I'm sure it's a lot
[20:09] cleaner.
[20:11] So, I just I would [clears throat]
[20:12] recommend that you just be done with it.
[20:18] » Thank you.
[20:19] Okay, so we have a motion
[20:21] to go forward with it and a second.
[20:23] [snorts]
[20:24] Any other comments?
[20:26] >> Can I ask clarify? Did you guys table it
[20:29] till August?
[20:31] Did you guys table it in the planning
[20:32] board till August?
[20:33] >> To work on it. Yes.
[20:36] >> Assuming that assuming you wanted the planning board to continue
[20:40] >> All right, good.
[20:41] >> It was contingent on your guys'
[20:42] decision.
[20:43] >> Okay.
[20:46] » So, again we have a motion to continue
[20:49] and a second.
[20:51] So, barring no other questions, all in
[20:53] favor.
[20:54] >> So,
[20:55] >> I'm sorry.
[20:56] >> Okay, I I guess I'm I I'm clear. So, if
[20:58] we go ahead if they go ahead with it,
[21:00] are you still putting it on hold until
[21:02] August or are you just going ahead with
[21:04] it now? I I'm unclear I don't what this
[21:06] is.
[21:06] >> We're we're We'll put it on hold. We'll
[21:08] wait until obviously could be they could
[21:10] decide to go with it in July. You know,
[21:13] it just depends.
[21:15] Okay, but there was no point in moving
[21:17] forward
[21:18] at all unless you wanted them to do
[21:22] that.
[21:22] >> Oh, okay.
[21:23] >> Because we're there's more information
[21:24] to be gathered.
[21:25] >> to say so it'll come back here anyway.
[21:27] >> Pardon?
[21:27] >> It will come back here anyway or no?
[21:30] >> It'll come back to us to the final piece
[21:33] or
[21:33] >> Yes.
[21:34] yeah.
[21:34] >> Because we would still have to hold a
[21:36] public hearing and then to get any
[21:39] challenges as necessary and eventually
[21:40] come to you.
[21:42] That goes to town meeting. That's good.
[21:45] All in favor? Oh, I'm sorry, Jeff.
[21:48] >> Just one word of caution.
[21:50] This is a really slippery slope.
[21:53] Uh this is how our bureaucracy is built.
[21:56] You've got eight pages of regulations.
[21:59] You don't have any person in authority
[22:00] to to do these regulations or observe
[22:03] these regulations to see to it that
[22:06] It is just the same as it was with the mobile home ordinance. Who's going to be in charge of that?
[22:12] Anytime you've got a public sector
[22:13] trying to exhibit more control over
[22:16] private enterprise, it makes me very
[22:18] nervous.
[22:21] » Thank you.
[22:24] Okay.
[22:27] So we need to vote.
[22:31] Okay, all in favor?
[22:33] I'm voting forward
[22:34] >> With that.
[22:38] » We can't hear back here.
[22:40] >> We need a vote. All in favor of moving
[22:42] forward with this
[22:44] on this level.
[22:49] » Closed.
[22:51] >> Okay, we don't have them. We don't have
[22:53] enough to vote, so it dies.
[22:57] Okay?
[23:01] Thank you, Mary, for your work.
[23:03] >> Thank you.
[23:04] >> you.
[23:05] >> Okay,
[23:06] moving on to citizen concerns.
[23:11] Anybody have any
[23:12] Randy.
[23:13] >> Hold hold hold.
[23:14] >> Oh, I'm sorry.
[23:15] >> Don't you have to say all opposed so you
[23:17] can think about it so it's all just
[23:19] friendly.
[23:21] >> All opposed.
[23:24] Okay.
[23:25] >> Okay, thank you.
[23:25] >> So moved. Thank you. Thank you for the
[23:26] reminder.
[23:28] Okay, so citizen concerns. Do we have
[23:30] any
[23:32] Randy?
[23:33] >> So I just wanted to remind everybody we
[23:35] have a candidate forum coming up in this
[23:38] room May 6th at 6:30.
[23:41] And we're hoping to have all five of our
[23:42] candidates.
[23:44] See how we can do on that.
[23:46] That'll be coming up.
[23:49] A second one that I wanted to bring up.
[23:52] Um
[23:54] I have an idea
[23:56] to run by you guys.
[23:58] One of the things I've observed
[24:02] through my time watching these meetings
[24:05] and even the online stuff is that
[24:08] sometimes people will say
[24:11] they don't want to bring things up in
[24:12] citizens concern because they they they
[24:14] feel that they won't get addressed or
[24:16] they get dropped.
[24:18] So I wonder if there's some way we can
[24:19] come up with an idea to keep those on
[24:22] the table.
[24:23] I don't know if we can put something
[24:25] maybe on the agenda that says status
[24:27] report or something like that. But just
[24:30] wanted
[24:30] >> That's a that's a
[24:31] good suggestion and I think that that is
[24:33] in our work
[24:35] study going forward.
[24:37] Okay, so we don't drive them.
[24:40] >> I got I got a couple Sally.
[24:41] >> Yes, please.
[24:42] >> One is while Mary's here, where we at
[24:45] with the setback
[24:46] uh property setback ordinance? Are we
[24:48] going to be able to have that at the
[24:50] town meeting?
[24:51] >> Yes.
[24:52] >> We will. Okay, so we can go over it.
[24:53] >> Yes, the the Um, meeting is
[24:57] >> Tomorrow.
[24:58] thank you.
[25:00] The meeting is tomorrow.
[25:01] >> Okay.
[25:01] >> No.
[25:02] it isn't.
[25:03] >> The meeting is May 5th. We had to put it
[25:05] off to make sure we had enough public
[25:07] notice.
[25:08] >> Oh.
[25:08] >> So, it went in the newspaper. Um, it'll
[25:11] be posted again in the newspaper. It's
[25:12] been posted in the town office. And when
[25:14] I get back to the office tonight, now
[25:16] that I have the meeting material for the
[25:18] planning board, um, and all the
[25:20] information to be able to send off to
[25:22] everybody, it'll get sent out this
[25:24] evening.
[25:25] Um, so that the planning board, um,
[25:27] and the public, uh, can be notified
[25:29] about the meeting.
[25:31] >> Does that mean we're not having an extra
[25:32] meeting tomorrow night, then?
[25:33] >> No.
[25:34] >> Got you.
[25:34] >> No, yes, tomorrow, no.
[25:36] >> Okay.
[25:36] >> So, this is a special meeting then for,
[25:38] uh, May
[25:39] whatever that date is.
[25:40] >> 5th.
[25:41] May 5th.
[25:42] >> May 5th.
[25:43] >> At 6:30.
[25:44] >> And And secondly, I read the minutes
[25:46] after you guys went into executive
[25:48] session the last meeting for the three
[25:50] executive sessions.
[25:51] I get it's a personnel matter. Not
[25:53] asking about
[25:54] the person. I'm asking about the
[25:56] position.
[25:58] What would been the reasoning
[26:00] that you changed
[26:02] from termination to suspended,
[26:05] uh, after it was done? Was this not ran
[26:08] by the town attorney?
[26:09] >> It It was. And they And And we he gave
[26:12] advice us to make that change.
[26:14] >> After or before happened?
[26:15] >> After.
[26:17] >> So, you didn't check before you made
[26:19] those decisions?
[26:20] >> We We did, but we misinterpreted his his
[26:23] instructions.
[26:24] >> Okay.
[26:25] All right, thank you.
[26:25] >> But we needed to correct it, so we did.
[26:27] >> Thank you.
[26:28] >> You're welcome.
[26:30] Anything else? Jeffrey?
[26:32] >> I have a concern, not so much as the
[26:34] road commissioner, but as a citizen.
[26:38] You know, th- this town has a meth
[26:40] clinic coming to it
[26:42] real soon.
[26:43] And
[26:44] as to my knowledge, we have nothing in
[26:46] place for homelessness
[26:49] and homeless shelters in this town.
[26:53] I think instead of wasting our time on
[26:57] mobile home lots,
[26:59] food vendors, we should really think
[27:01] ahead and get something in play, even if
[27:04] we have to have a special town meeting,
[27:06] to get something on the books before
[27:09] this clinic comes to town.
[27:11] And something that can be enforced.
[27:14] >> Are you saying a review of the ordinance
[27:16] or
[27:17] >> Is there an ordinance, a homeless
[27:18] ordinance?
[27:19] >> Well, not a homeless ordinance. There's
[27:20] no ordinance for that. There's no
[27:22] ordinance for that. And I don't believe
[27:23] so.
[27:24] >> shelter ordinance. So, this making
[27:26] everyone aware that this is coming and
[27:29] it's coming this summer.
[27:30] So, you guys and the planning board may
[27:33] want to think about moving forward and
[27:36] getting something on the books so it can
[27:38] be enforced. I know of a couple
[27:40] instances right here in town
[27:43] that have already happened and the
[27:45] sheriff's department cannot do anything
[27:48] about it
[27:50] because there's nothing in place.
[27:55] So, it's something to think about, some
[27:56] words of thought.
[28:01] » No, I agree. Thank you.
[28:02] >> And I know special town meetings, you
[28:04] know, cost a little bit of money, but
[28:07] if we have to wait 1 more year to move
[28:09] this forward after this place comes to
[28:12] town,
[28:13] it may be too late.
[28:19] » So, I agree with you 100% Jeff, and I've
[28:21] been working on something for the last 6
[28:23] weeks or so, exactly of what you're
[28:25] talking about that I was going to
[28:26] present to the board and the people,
[28:30] uh but it was going to be after the town
[28:31] meeting.
[28:32] But, uh there definitely needs to be
[28:33] some guidelines in place for
[28:36] exactly what you're talking about and in
[28:38] then some,
[28:39] and other things, but I was going to
[28:40] bring it up
[28:41] after the town meeting. So,
[28:45] it is being thought of.
[28:47] >> It definitely needs to be thought about,
[28:50] for sure. You're right.
[28:52] Fine, did you have something?
[28:53] >> Uh well, yeah. I didn't realize John had
[28:56] been working on stuff. I Yeah, I was hoping we were going to
[28:59] immediately start working on some kind
[29:00] some type of a provision for that
[29:02] ordinance uh at the two two meetings ago
[29:05] for the planning board, but we've been
[29:07] Our agenda's been on the these other two
[29:08] ordinances, so it would be nice to see
[29:10] something happen there.
[29:11] >> to be Yeah, to get it going. Yeah.
[29:13] Anybody else?
[29:15] >> Well, is this something the planning
[29:17] board could start working on?
[29:18] >> I don't think so.
[29:20] I mean,
[29:21] no.
[29:21] What do you think?
[29:22] >> Not really. That would have to come from
[29:23] you.
[29:24] But, if someone were to
[29:27] build a shelter, then that would come to
[29:29] us for site review.
[29:30] >> Right. Exactly. Yeah.
[29:33] >> What about campings?
[29:34] >> Yeah, campings.
[29:36] >> [snorts]
[29:37] >> That would be because that's
[29:38] enforcement. That's something that the
[29:42] uh select board would have to handle.
[29:45] >> They have to handle the ordinance, not
[29:46] you. Not the planning board.
[29:48] >> Right.
[29:48] >> Mary, would that also include um
[29:51] people squatting on private land? Would
[29:53] that start at the select level and work
[29:55] its way down to the planning
[29:55] >> Yeah, because that has to do with
[29:57] enforce specifically with enforcement,
[29:59] because you know, I guess you know,
[30:01] whatever the law enforcement
[30:03] um whatever the sheriff's department is
[30:05] doing, we don't
[30:08] >> Well, I can speak to that.
[30:09] >> idea. I mean, I think it's a good idea,
[30:11] but really
[30:13] >> If someone's squatting on private
[30:14] property or if they're there without the
[30:16] permission of the landowner, they can be
[30:17] trespassed out by law, sheriff's office.
[30:20] And they can be charged with tres-
[30:22] criminal trespass if they don't leave.
[30:24] >> What about sections of public property
[30:26] that are kind of gray areas in between?
[30:29] >> So, that would be harder, Ryan. We would
[30:30] need some type of ordinance in place um
[30:33] to to govern public property, but
[30:35] private property, it's solely the
[30:37] discretion of the landowner whether they
[30:39] want to allow someone to camp there or
[30:41] not?
[30:43] >> Does it have to be posted?
[30:46] » Ideally, it would be nice, but
[30:49] if you were to call, if you had somebody
[30:52] camped out on your lot and you were to
[30:53] call us and say, "I
[30:56] didn't give this person permission to be
[30:57] there." We would say, "Okay, the
[30:59] landowner has contacted us. You need to
[31:01] leave." If they refuse at that point,
[31:03] then they could be charged.
[31:07] » My biggest concern is to avoid what we
[31:09] want and what I want to avoid now that
[31:10] most people are aware of down by the
[31:11] river, public land, and it's just
[31:14] ravaged.
[31:15] >> Did I see another I'm sorry. Did I see
[31:17] another hand?
[31:18] >> Yes.
[31:20] >> Is there a way to
[31:24] speed up this process?
[31:26] I think this is almost at an emergency
[31:28] level, and this was actually brought up
[31:30] back
[31:32] January-February's meetings when we were
[31:34] talking about that clinic and the
[31:36] homelessness and the issues that come
[31:38] with these encampments.
[31:40] We're already almost 5 months
[31:43] late on getting the jump on this.
[31:46] It's going to be here if we just keep We
[31:48] got to do this
[31:49] planning board's got to do this or
[31:51] someone's got to do that.
[31:53] It's pretty important. We really should
[31:54] be getting on this like yesterday.
[31:57] So, how can we do that?
[32:01] Um I know when we've had a neighbor come
[32:04] on our land and we've called
[32:08] the police, we were told that you can't
[32:10] do anything until you post it.
[32:13] And yeah, and once we posted it, then we
[32:16] had
[32:18] the right and the deputy took care of
[32:20] it, but
[32:21] is MEW and everybody
[32:24] all in that area going to have to put
[32:27] no trespassing signs all over just to
[32:29] cover their butts
[32:31] on that first call?
[32:33] >> Well, without an ordinance, maybe. Yeah,
[32:34] you're right. You're right. So.
[32:37] >> Would it make sense,
[32:39] Cheyenne, to look into what other towns
[32:42] have already like Waterville for example
[32:45] when it comes to publicly owned
[32:46] property?
[32:47] >> Uh yeah, and this is something I've
[32:49] already spoken with Melanie Weston about
[32:52] um
[32:53] when everything was going on
[32:56] regarding the Acadia road about because
[32:58] there was concerns coming in and we can
[33:00] look um at whether what other towns are
[33:03] doing
[33:04] um and based on that see what um might
[33:07] work for Madison.
[33:09] I [clears throat] I would really think
[33:10] that the select board would need to take
[33:12] a vote uh to have the planning board
[33:14] begin researching on that if you want to
[33:17] move forward.
[33:19] >> Do you think we should do that now?
[33:21] >> Do you need motion?
[33:22] >> Mhm.
[33:23] >> Yes.
[33:24] >> So, I'd make a motion that that we as
[33:27] the select board uh advise the planning
[33:29] board to begin research into this this
[33:32] issue of uh trespassing on publicly
[33:35] owned land
[33:36] in light of the Methadone Clinic coming
[33:38] to town.
[33:39] >> I'll second it.
[33:40] >> All in favor?
[33:43] So, moved. Thank you guys.
[33:44] >> Thank you.
[33:45] very much.
[33:47] >> Um okay, are there any other concerns?
[33:50] >> I got one last one.
[33:51] >> Okay. [laughter]
[33:53] >> Okay. One other concern I have. I went to the
[33:57] town office two Mondays ago at 11:31
[34:02] I think it was and the door was locked.
[34:05] >> I was there.
[34:06] >> Would the board of selectmen
[34:09] consider keeping the town office open
[34:12] the regular hours Monday through
[34:14] [clears throat] Friday?
[34:15] >> Shyenne, do you want to We're looking at
[34:17] that, right?
[34:18] >> Uh right now as the interim town
[34:21] manager, I am solely going with what was
[34:24] there existing before me. Um
[34:28] if the board wants to make a change, um
[34:30] then I will make sure that that happens.
[34:33] Um but as for right now, I'm just
[34:35] covering in on the duties of town
[34:37] manager until the board makes a hiring
[34:39] decision.
[34:40] >> How do you feel about that though? Just
[34:41] out Just out of curiosity.
[34:43] >> Um
[34:46] personally, I know that the the staff
[34:49] do
[34:50] um
[34:53] time when we meet. We had one um today
[34:56] and then the staff took lunch um
[34:58] very briefly in that period.
[35:01] Um but I also check in with staff every
[35:03] morning when I get there. Um so I would
[35:05] like to at this point in time where I'm
[35:07] just in interim leadership, leave that
[35:09] up to the board to make that decision.
[35:13] >> So right now you guys do it
[35:15] every week? Every Monday. Every Monday.
[35:17] >> 11:30 to 12:30?
[35:19] >> Would Would once a month seem feasible
[35:22] to do?
[35:23] >> I I believe that um
[35:26] once a month used to be um what was done
[35:29] prior.
[35:30] >> Um but the staff now is different.
[35:33] >> The it
[35:34] >> You
[35:35] >> Well, if Cathy
[35:35] >> Yes, yes, years ago but I mean I I
[35:37] haven't been here that long so I don't
[35:39] know what's changed but
[35:40] >> It used to be and it used to be before
[35:42] work in the morning is what it was and
[35:45] was once a month. I'm just asking. I
[35:47] mean
[35:48] >> Yeah, I believe it was 7:00, wasn't it?
[35:50] >> Wasn't it 7:00?
[35:51] >> We did so that we could open the doors
[35:52] at 7:30. That's what we used to do. But
[35:56] I don't want to go, you know, just
[35:57] because we used to do it doesn't always
[36:00] mean that's the way it needs to be but
[36:01] I'm just asking if even once a month
[36:04] would be something that
[36:06] you think would work.
[36:08] >> I I I think it would just based off of
[36:11] what I'm doing in the interim leadership
[36:14] which is going in and checking in with
[36:15] each individual staff member every day.
[36:18] Um
[36:19] so that seems to be
[36:21] productive and moving forward. Um
[36:25] because everybody's on the same page
[36:27] thing in the morning.
[36:28] >> Right.
[36:28] >> Um so
[36:30] I'm comfortable either way.
[36:33] I [clears throat] know the public has
[36:34] feedback to the office being closed for
[36:37] the hour.
[36:38] Um
[36:40] so
[36:42] do with that information as
[36:43] >> [laughter]
[36:44] >> as you will.
[36:45] >> What would be the likelihood they could
[36:47] would come in and do it prior
[36:50] to work?
[36:51] What is the likelihood that that would
[36:53] happen?
[36:55] I'm just I'm just asking. I mean I don't
[36:56] know if
[36:56] >> I I think that's a discussion that we
[36:58] could have with the staff. This is also
[37:01] something that, you know, we can
[37:03] rediscuss once the town manager has been
[37:05] hired.
[37:07] Then that leadership will be able to
[37:09] provide you feedback on the direction
[37:11] that they would like to go in.
[37:14] Um but for right now you can
[37:16] make a decision because the posting for
[37:19] town manager ends on the 14th.
[37:21] >> That's right.
[37:21] >> Um and then you'll be doing interviews.
[37:24] So that's coming up really quickly. But
[37:26] for right now I'm touching base with
[37:28] staff every day.
[37:31] >> And you've already had Well, no.
[37:33] You've just finished this week.
[37:34] >> That's just this week.
[37:38] » Okay, a couple more. Yes, Lisa.
[37:41] >> I brought this up once before.
[37:42] >> Yep, I remember.
[37:44] >> I actually took
[37:47] my lunch hours, four of them, and sat
[37:50] across from the door to watch cuz I
[37:52] wanted to know if I was being a jerk by
[37:54] saying, "Geez, you really shouldn't lock
[37:56] the door for an hour every Monday in the
[37:58] middle of the day."
[38:00] So in the notes that I took while I was
[38:02] eating my sandwich in my car,
[38:04] there were about 10 people within that
[38:06] hour for each of the four times that I
[38:09] sat there. So over those four hours,
[38:12] there were 40 people that could not get
[38:15] into the town office. So I wasn't being
[38:17] the weenie.
[38:19] I just wanted to make sure that by me
[38:22] bringing it up in public, you know, the
[38:24] town office is there for the people to
[38:26] do business.
[38:28] If they're public servants, I don't know
[38:30] if that's the politically correct term
[38:31] these days, but it's there for the
[38:33] residents and the taxpayers and the
[38:35] people to do business. And
[38:37] I for one, I that's when I take my lunch
[38:40] and I I go there often and sometimes I
[38:42] just forget and I'm like,
[38:44] >> Yeah.
[38:44] >> Where's lunch?
[38:45] >> Yeah.
[38:46] >> It's really it's not serving any people
[38:48] in the town to do that. So,
[38:51] you know, I get I get the whole staff
[38:53] meeting thing, but it really should be
[38:56] done first thing in the morning and
[38:57] everybody's right there. If you have an
[38:59] issue, walk to somebody's desk. Go see
[39:01] what they need, you know?
[39:03] >> you.
[39:03] >> Don't lock the door in the middle of the
[39:04] day.
[39:05] >> Thank you. Yes.
[39:07] >> I think why back when it was changed and
[39:10] if you correct me if I'm wrong, it was
[39:12] if we get there at 7:00,
[39:14] most people do clock in till 7:30, so we
[39:17] were having to pay a half hour overtime.
[39:20] So, that's where I think it was starting
[39:22] to get into the actual work day and
[39:25] where better was kind of the midday when
[39:27] everybody was at lunch. We could take it
[39:29] a little bit before lunch and then it
[39:31] wasn't going to interfere too much. And
[39:34] I think that's why it was basically
[39:36] moved to the later time.
[39:38] >> Thank you.
[39:40] Anybody else have any Yes.
[39:42] >> I I can say that the one thing that I
[39:44] have had um
[39:46] for feedback from other office employees
[39:49] would be like Monday really um
[39:52] maybe isn't the best day. Uh just
[39:54] thinking of like our finance officer
[39:55] who's trying to do payroll and the
[39:57] warrant. Um
[39:59] it's kind of a crunch day and a busy
[40:00] day.
[40:02] So,
[40:03] maybe change the day of the week to
[40:06] for our staff meeting.
[40:09] >> What are your thoughts? Do you want to
[40:10] vote on this or do you want us to just
[40:11] wait and see how it resolves itself once
[40:14] we receive
[40:15] >> direction.
[40:17] >> Okay.
[40:18] Do you want to make a motion?
[40:20] >> I make a [clears throat] motion that we
[40:21] do away with these these Monday meetings
[40:23] until at least until we have a permanent
[40:25] town manager name.
[40:28] >> Second.
[40:29] >> All in favor?
[40:31] >> Any discussion?
[40:32] I'm sorry.
[40:36] Okay. All in favor?
[40:40] So moved.
[40:41] Thank you, guys.
[40:42] >> Thank you.
[40:44] >> Yes.
[40:45] >> All.
[40:46] Quick comment. Um
[40:49] I've done some research and I've brought
[40:51] this up before about the price of my
[40:53] double my double wide the value of it
[40:55] increasing.
[40:56] >> Yeah.
[40:56] >> It doubled.
[40:58] And doing some research, I found out if
[41:01] I put wheels beside of my
[41:03] double wide,
[41:04] it is now camper.
[41:06] >> Oh.
[41:07] >> And the money and there's less taxes on
[41:09] it.
[41:09] >> If you put wheels on under
[41:11] >> If I put wheels on it, yeah. It is now
[41:12] considered a mobile home or a camper.
[41:14] >> Hm.
[41:15] >> Now, in this research, I found out these
[41:19] people are living in their campers
[41:21] on private land.
[41:24] Who's collecting tax on the dwellings?
[41:26] Anybody in code enforcement? Anybody
[41:28] going around and saying, "Hey, this is a
[41:30] home."
[41:32] You're not getting excise tax on this.
[41:35] You're not getting property tax on it
[41:36] because it's temporary.
[41:40] There's a bunch of them around here.
[41:42] I can count five on the way here every
[41:43] day.
[41:45] That might want to be that's an extra
[41:47] stream of income.
[41:48] We're talking about rent
[41:50] whatever rent moratorium. These people
[41:53] ain't paying nothing.
[41:54] >> True.
[41:56] >> I mean, like I said, if I put
[41:58] tires next to my double wide, it is now
[42:00] mobile.
[42:02] >> Well, then.
[42:03] >> So, I'm just throwing that out there
[42:05] that who's actually actually checking
[42:07] this stuff?
[42:08] >> Yeah.
[42:08] >> That goes back towards your homes and
[42:09] campers, too.
[42:10] >> Yeah, I'm going to look into that as
[42:12] well.
[42:12] >> night. And that one
[42:15] >> I'll ask Shirley if she's ever run into
[42:17] this, too.
[42:19] >> Who? You can ask who?
[42:20] >> It's kind of always been a thing that
[42:22] you know that
[42:23] if they have a camper, you can go out,
[42:26] but your tax assessor is the one that
[42:27] would have to go out and assess it. Do
[42:29] you always know where people are that
[42:32] are actually living in those campers?
[42:34] Not necessarily.
[42:36] Um
[42:37] if they already if they register it to
[42:39] go on the road, then they have paid
[42:41] excise tax, so therefore they don't pay
[42:43] property tax on them.
[42:45] So
[42:46] >> What if it's been there four or five
[42:47] years?
[42:49] >> Right, and we Right, exactly, but I'm
[42:51] just saying it's hard for the tax assessor doesn't necessarily get
[42:56] notification that there's campers here.
[42:59] You know what I mean? Because it's
[43:01] What's that?
[43:02] >> We have a code enforcement officer that
[43:03] rides around, don't we?
[43:05] >> Yeah, but
[43:06] >> Because see at the right now there's a
[43:07] law being changed on the books
[43:10] that campers will be charged by the
[43:11] foot,
[43:13] not by the value.
[43:16] So that's going to change the whole ball
[43:18] of wax if someone goes that route.
[43:19] >> Mhm.
[43:21] >> Interesting.
[43:22] >> I mean, you can bring it up to Shirley
[43:24] and just see what she has for it. I
[43:25] mean, I don't know if it's happened in
[43:27] other towns.
[43:28] She It's usually it's a tax I mean, it's
[43:30] kind of a tax assessor thing because
[43:32] it's
[43:34] I know.
[43:35] But
[43:36] I don't know. I don't know what her
[43:38] answer will be, but like if they don't register it, then
[43:41] >> [clears throat]
[43:42] >> they don't pay excise taxes. They are
[43:44] supposed to pay property tax, but it's
[43:46] just one of those that kind of get
[43:48] missed, I mean.
[43:49] >> I'd say check with Shirley.
[43:51] >> Yeah.
[43:52] >> Check with Check with her and just bring
[43:53] it back for the next meeting.
[43:55] We can discuss it further then.
[43:56] >> Thank you.
[43:57] Thank you for bringing it up.
[44:00] Anything else? Yes, ma'am.
[44:02] >> It's a perfect segue into
[44:03] >> I mean, your name, please?
[44:04] >> Excuse me.
[44:05] >> Name, please?
[44:05] >> Sue.
[44:07] hi Sue.
[44:07] >> Um
[44:09] so
[44:11] somebody needs to start looking for
[44:12] extra streams of income to come in other
[44:14] than just putting all the tax burden on
[44:15] the on the people.
[44:17] Because I'm understanding everybody
[44:18] wants more money.
[44:20] to pay things and more money
[44:23] in your paycheck.
[44:26] So do I, but I don't have
[44:28] So you guys need to find somebody to
[44:31] come up with some ideas of how to raise
[44:33] some more money. Get more people in the
[44:34] town. That drug place they got coming is
[44:36] awesome start, but
[44:38] I'm going to bring a lot of people to
[44:39] town. They're spending money till
[44:41] they're not I've heard out of the state,
[44:42] so
[44:44] there needs to be something happen to
[44:46] bring more money to the towns that's not
[44:49] being put off on the taxpayers that have
[44:51] to cover. Enough is enough.
[44:56] >> Okay.
[44:57] Thank you.
[44:58] >> And other than that, is there a list of
[45:01] the what we're voting on in June?
[45:03] >> Yeah.
[45:04] >> I am working on getting the ballot, so
[45:06] we we outsource for ESS.
[45:08] >> Is there a timeline as to when that's
[45:10] going to be available so that I can
[45:12] >> Right now I'm proofing what the state
[45:14] gave to me um and what ESS ESS and S
[45:18] election systems and software they gave
[45:20] to me, but the state I don't get much
[45:22] control of, so I don't know exactly when
[45:24] I'll have anything final to put out for
[45:26] a draft ballot, but as for local, I can
[45:29] tell you that I can provide you like a
[45:30] list of names of who's going to be on
[45:32] the ballot if you'd like. Um
[45:34] >> I want to know I want to know what we're
[45:36] voting on that's going to cost more
[45:37] money like the school or the
[45:39] >> about it. Yeah, she wants to learn.
[45:40] Yeah.
[45:40] >> A lot of that stuff is what I need
[45:42] what's going to cost more money and why
[45:44] is it feasible? It's not mandated to
[45:46] have a public library in the town. Seems
[45:49] like that's costing us a lot of money
[45:50] cuz it's all decrepit and
[45:52] maybe we should think about not having
[45:53] public library anymore.
[45:56] >> So we are going to have our budget
[45:57] meeting for the town budget on May 4th.
[46:00] Um and this week I'll be working on
[46:02] getting um as much information out as I
[46:05] can. I can tell you right now that we're
[46:07] reviewing the budget uh line by line uh
[46:11] to make sure that we can say, "Okay,
[46:13] this is what each expense is for. Uh
[46:15] this is why it has decreased or
[46:17] increased." So, when it goes to the
[46:18] budget advisory committee, um that
[46:21] discussion will be held um and the
[46:22] public is welcome in on to those
[46:25] meetings to be able to discuss it before
[46:28] um it ends up at town meeting.
[46:32] » Okay.
[46:33] >> One more comment.
[46:34] >> Yes.
[46:35] >> It's an at-will work state. If
[46:36] somebody's not happy with the money they're making, there's other
[46:40] people that would like to have that job.
[46:41] So, keep that in mind when you have
[46:43] great benefits, pays for your insurance.
[46:46] Most don't Most jobs don't have that
[46:47] kind of insurance anymore. You should
[46:49] think about decreasing that to
[46:51] lose
[46:52] lower some
[46:53] costs for the state for this for this
[46:55] town.
[46:57] I mean, there's not many people I don't
[46:59] know if anybody in here has the kind of
[47:00] benefits that the state people have or
[47:02] the town people have.
[47:04] Hardly anybody.
[47:06] That should be looked at.
[47:08] I'm just If you already got it good,
[47:10] quit whining. That's all I'm going to
[47:11] say.
[47:12] >> Thank you very much. Anybody else? Okay.
[47:15] I'm going to um move for a motion to
[47:19] enter executive session. Oh, I'm sorry.
[47:22] Do you guys have concerns? John.
[47:27] >> I'm good. You good?
[47:28] >> I'm good.
[47:29] >> Me too.
[47:30] >> Me Me five. So.
[47:32] >> Thank you all for coming.
[47:34] I'm sorry.
[47:35] >> I just wanted to say something.
[47:36] >> Yes.
[47:37] >> Um I applied for a grant. I don't feel
[47:40] like I'm whining, but yeah, I am.
[47:44] I applied for a grant to try to
[47:46] uh defray some of the capital money that
[47:49] we needed to ask for to transport
[47:52] Saying and listening to you both if you
[47:53] would like to.
[47:55] And um I did win $5,000 for that. I've
[47:58] already talked to Cheyenne about that so
[48:00] we can take $5,000 off of the capital
[48:02] last.
[48:05] $5,000. Cheyenne won $15,000 last time.
[48:09] In the last 20 years I've garnered
[48:11] $151,000
[48:13] in grant money.
[48:15] So I'm doing my part
[48:18] to pay for that library.
[48:21] Because people do use it. Not everybody
[48:23] uses every service.
[48:25] But people do use it.
[48:27] If you have any questions, come to the
[48:29] library.
[48:30] I will show you my numbers. Show you the
[48:32] program.
[48:34] Mike Tyke was at our Heroes and Helpers
[48:35] event so was Donnie. There was 35 kids,
[48:38] 25 adults. That may not seem like a lot
[48:41] but for the people who were there, they
[48:43] felt that that program had value.
[48:46] So I just wanted to say to everyone
[48:50] in the meeting in this meeting
[48:52] that I feel the library does have value.
[48:56] I feel that there are a lot of things
[48:57] that we pay for that we don't use.
[49:00] There's a lot of
[49:01] country roads that I never drive on
[49:04] and I still say pave them.
[49:07] Plow them.
[49:09] Keep the street lights on. I never had a
[49:11] kid in school.
[49:13] Support the public schools. Is there a
[49:15] room to cut in public schools? I do
[49:17] believe that.
[49:19] I also know that at least 65% of every
[49:22] dollar goes through the schools.
[49:25] And then another small percentage goes
[49:27] to the county
[49:28] and then the town gets what's left.
[49:31] And if you think that what we're asking
[49:33] for is everything under the sun, what
[49:36] we're bringing to the budget and
[49:38] advisory board on May 4th
[49:42] is a pared down version
[49:45] of what we think we can live with
[49:49] based on the understanding that we live
[49:51] in this town too.
[49:53] We understand that the taxes are going
[49:55] up and I agree too
[49:57] that we need industry. We're not a mill
[49:59] town anymore.
[50:01] So, thank you for listening to me
[50:04] and I look forward to working with you
[50:06] and if you need any
[50:08] other information, please come to me and
[50:10] I will do what I can to get you that
[50:12] information.
[50:13] >> Thank you.
[50:14] very much.
[50:15] >> Real quick.
[50:16] >> Uh we're just to to add to that, yeah,
[50:18] if we're going to cut budgets, we're
[50:19] going to cut the school budget, not the
[50:20] library budget. It might be a small
[50:22] thing to cut there, but
[50:23] >> Yeah, thank you.
[50:24] >> cut millions from the school budget.
[50:26] >> Yeah, thank you.
[50:26] >> Um
[50:27] >> wasted money.
[50:27] >> I've got another question.
[50:30] >> I have just one question.
[50:32] >> You're going to make it quick cuz we're
[50:33] going into executive session.
[50:35] >> I will go back to that meeting and they
[50:36] said it's 90% cash and 10%
[50:39] There is a lot of people waiting to do a
[50:40] lot of cash.
[50:42] She said we're going to go this way, this way. It don't matter
[50:45] what's put in there. It's totally wrong.
[50:48] Uh so
[50:49] what That's going to go this way, this way.
[50:52] Say what? You have a great
[50:54] That's all.
[50:58] What more possible? That's all the work.
[51:01] Do you think it can be done for less?
[51:17] Yeah, I hear you.
[51:20] Yeah, but
[51:22] especially for the uh We were talking
[51:25] about
[51:27] I can see such a w m a.
[51:30] That's all right. I agree with that. You
[51:32] know, we agree about Yeah, it got shot
[51:34] out.
[51:36] All right, guys. Thanks, Dan.
[51:37] >> Thank you very much.
[51:38] >> All right, I'm going to make a motion to
[51:39] go into executive session.
[51:40] >> Okay.
[51:41] >> Second.
[51:42] >> All in favor?
[51:43] >> I.
[51:44] >> Okay, we're in executive session,
[51:45] everyone.
[51:47] >> Let us not forget