[This transcript was generated automatically from audio using AI and hasn't been reviewed by a person -- it can contain mistakes, including plausible-sounding sentences that were never actually said. Treat it as a starting point, not a verbatim record.] [0:11] Thank you, sir. [0:19] All right, approval of the agenda. See, it has requested that we move up the discussion [0:25] items and from department heads. Wasn't made. So department heads, we are respectfully proposing to [0:33] you after discussion I have new business and in front of all business at the risk of [0:41] um people hating us who wants to make a motion to a pre-thought change. [0:44] I'll make a motion. [0:45] I don't know. [0:46] Are you around the change okay? [0:47] Are we removing the abatement these? [0:50] No. [0:52] Can we add tan details to the slackness list? [0:55] Right. [0:58] Add in tan details to the slackness list. [1:02] What a beep. [1:04] Yeah, that item was on the public's office, the requester has requested that it even moved. [1:10] Oh, okay. [1:12] All right. [1:13] So, you, Jenna, as written, moving department heads in between new business and old business. [1:19] And in Tanty, tells us the second list, and then her, there's another class for moving me. [1:24] I don't have the last item on the business. [1:26] Oh, motion. [1:27] I'll second. [1:28] Oh, favor? [1:29] Hi. [1:31] Hi. [1:31] you all. The approval of minutes and none of the minutes of September 1st. [1:45] All my notes are [1:46] notes through questions for myself. So I didn't have any corrections. And the else, [1:59] they're [1:59] awesome, by the way. The level of detail, you have to see all the good things. Thank you. [2:11] Do we want to take a motion to approve these departments? [2:16] I'll make a motion to approve of the benefits. [2:18] Number first. [2:19] I'll second. [2:20] Oh, favor? [2:20] All right. [2:40] We just didn't check the reason. [2:46] That should be. [2:48] What is that? [2:51] Yeah. [2:54] Yep. [2:56] The bottom. [3:01] Mark that up. [3:03] And I'll just make sure it's a little bit. [3:05] Because it's a different color of pen and stuff. [3:25] That doesn't pass away. [3:30] So the minutes that we're looking at now are just those, it's a list of non-public minutes [3:35] from 2015 and 2016, that word of seals. [3:38] Those are not just those public minutes that we reviewed, all of them, and voted to [3:43] rather seals, not the right words. [3:46] We're going to use sealer or on sealer. [3:49] That was a lot to say. [3:54] And we already have some all the websites. [3:58] You want to just relax a little? [4:01] All right. [4:02] Motion except those. [4:04] They were all September 1st? [4:06] Gosh. [4:08] Motion due to improve all non-public minutes from September 1st. [4:12] Mostly 6 May by Jim. [4:14] Second by Joe. [4:16] On fear. [4:19] And the Memphis. [4:26] She now stay for the top sheet, because I actually took a home once again. [4:30] Yes. [4:31] All right, approval of manifest from 949 and 1726. [4:37] payroll is $46,755.60. [4:42] Here were liabilities or $2,722.60. [4:46] Accounts payable of $53,612.36. [4:49] and Madison School Ward 200 or Madison School District. [4:54] $200,000, $2,300, $3,000, $9,000 and $57,000. [5:02] I would accept a motion to approve the Memphis. [5:04] So, say a second. [5:06] Joe, or Jim? [5:08] All of you? [5:09] All of you? [5:09] Hi. [5:22] And we are scheduled to have a joint meeting [5:24] with the advisory budget committee at 6 p.m. [5:27] For me. [5:31] And then per the agenda, so we approved next is public comments, should we have anyone from the public that's not enough? [5:39] Yes, sir. [5:41] But I'll tell you how far it is from the peak of the lane of COVID-19. [5:47] And we don't present the comments as questions, but I don't mean them to be answered, but there are more questions that I have. [5:54] the issues of how we're going to pay for the storm damage, and when we're not, the board [6:00] has really as a unit decided on a plan, and one of the issues is if we're going to borrow [6:07] the money, there's some deadlines on October, I think it's a deadline now for everybody to [6:12] start looking for a bond, how much we want, how much we don't want, what do we want to do it, [6:18] And speaking with Joe, I know that his feelings that we could pay for these from on an ongoing basis without faring the money. [6:29] It seems like a fairly large amount of money that's been talked about as expenses, which is almost equal to what our average town budget is. [6:38] over $3 million. So if we pay this, the next questions are, where does this money come from [6:46] and do we not do routine maintenance or what happens? How big is the DPW budget going to be? [6:53] Now looking, I've tried to look at the minutes and the agenda for the last minutes and I don't [6:59] really see that there's been like a discussion and a decision by the board as a whole as to what [7:06] direction you're going to go in, but I don't think interest rates are going to go down. [7:11] They're going to go up. [7:13] So the thought of borrowing money is on the other mind. [7:17] Then we should execute that plan. [7:21] But I just bring this up and I think it's something that taxpayers are going to have to face. [7:26] One way or the other end. [7:28] There's no perfect solution. [7:30] But it's better to have a plan and move forward. That's my comment. [7:35] Yeah, so on August 18th, we did have a budget committee, a U.S. budget working session. [7:42] It's probably hour and a half, green and two hours. [7:45] And we talked about all these different things, all these different options we have for trying to pay for things. [7:51] We had a chance of the agenda. That's a tax anticipation note to help us with cash flow before the end of the year. [7:57] case to come borrow a little bit, collect a line of credit sort of, we've got ducks in [8:05] a row to set the tax rate, some taxation potential raising of funds. We've talked about [8:12] warned articles that had things had some money left over, not a lot of money, but it's [8:17] something. We've talked about delaying some projects. We've discussed whether or not we would need [8:26] special, you know, emergency, and town meeting, [8:28] to get approved by the DRA, I don't believe this. [8:31] I don't think we're even what have time to do that at this one. [8:34] Anyway, but hopefully it's not necessary. [8:36] Of course, I'm looking at the grants. [8:38] We're still waiting to hear back on the kind of appeal with FEMA. [8:43] So that's part of what we're talking about. [8:47] Of course, we're talking about saving where we can, [8:49] and I will throw up once again. [8:50] Anyone who has a rich on goal who's looking [8:52] to invest in this mobile home, our town, here we are. [8:55] So part of it too is planning, right? [8:57] Part of it is, you know, we are putting together all of the factors that are going into the plan. [9:06] We've kind of talked about that, you know, the send it emailed to Dylan and Lucy, [9:09] and I think I forwarded it to the board at some point too. [9:12] Just kind of all the different considerations we used to take into [9:15] while we're doing all of this planning and all of this maintenance. [9:19] You know, you know, even East Madison Row is enough that [9:24] Dylan was able to assess and say, OK, we need to be make it, not destroy clouds, so he's [9:30] got a plan to at least patch that little stuff. [9:32] So we do have short term goals, and then the big plan, which will include the road CIP, which [9:39] will include the roads that Dylan had highlighted in the four-town meeting that were [9:44] priorities. [9:45] They're like 10 factors that I kind of put together that were considering inputting together [9:50] The big plan, so we can look at, you know, we're already looking up different ways to fund things, but we are still putting together the big plan too, so [10:00] We've had the conversations [10:03] I think that meeting wasn't, I don't think that meeting was that recorded though? [10:07] You have several lines [10:09] Yeah, so obviously a team, you can look at the August 18 meeting in a minute [10:13] A minute? [10:14] Um, yes [10:14] Or you too [10:15] Yeah [10:16] Yeah, you too [10:17] Anyway [10:18] Okay [10:18] It was a work session, so look at the work session. [10:22] Work session. [10:23] Well, that's good to know, but I guess the question is, [10:27] the decision has been made not to borrow money? [10:29] No, no. [10:30] What about this law on the table as well? [10:33] Yes, so we have, we've just looking at options still. [10:37] Trying to take everything we can into account grants. [10:41] Yeah, Teno, I did really, and I believed to board it. [10:45] And you see, I just wanted to have your minutes [10:47] on bank website. Look at the deadline. It's kind of what the process is. Again, we haven't gone [10:53] any deeper than that. Just kind of rough estimate, if we borrow $3 million, say on a 10-year [10:59] term, more of the interest payments, you know, when is the loss on payment due? Just to give us an idea. [11:06] Again, we haven't gone any further than that. [11:11] I always appreciate feedback if you [11:13] Well, it's been since June, so I think that it would be really good to have a plan to [11:19] know what you want to do when you want to do it. [11:23] And as we all know, whoever worked with nonprofits, the grants and FEMA, none of that stuff [11:28] comes soon, and you have vendors that want to be paid. [11:33] So, I just want to, I'm sorry, I missed that minute to finish it on the 18th, but I'm thinking [11:40] this would be one of the primary things on your agenda to really deal with as soon as possible, [11:46] particularly, at the end, you decide you're going to borrow money, the interest rates [11:51] are going to go up and it's not going to get any cheaper if we have to borrow it next year. [11:58] Yeah, the next cycle, to capture municipal bond, they issue bonds and January and July, but [12:06] like for the January cycle, the applications do towards the end of October, I think it's [12:14] But again, there's some lead time in there and there's also a process, you have to follow [12:19] we have to hire a bond attorney in that type of time. [12:22] So again, it's not something we can turn around very quickly. [12:26] No, we would have to plan if there's your first time. [12:31] Thank you, Tina. [12:33] Man of public comment? [12:37] All right, closing out public comment. [12:39] and moving up to discussion items, new business. [12:44] The first idea is IT service proposal and thank you for the folks who are seeing [12:49] and not yet. So we're here from different companies to chat with us. [12:55] Do you want to read us or do you want us to? [12:58] Well, sure. So I sent you the two, we asked all four companies to come to this. [13:07] But also, we asked for potentially the bone services, obviously, with our situation, this is something that is a priority at the moment, and I got two. [13:20] I also got one from Phenium, coverage, significantly more, [13:25] so which we expected. [13:29] But like Surgeon Computer and Umbrella Technologies [13:31] gave us proposals for that. [13:35] And I believe, reboot, you guys don't do it. [13:38] Yeah, that's correct. [13:39] We don't do any types of phone services, [13:41] but we partner with companies to provide it. [13:43] Yeah, and then nested the same things. [13:45] Yeah, so that's kind of what we got. [13:47] but so I'll give these all to you as you've all seen them all. [13:52] But feel free to ask, [13:53] or do you guys want to introduce yourself for yourself first? [13:56] Sure. [13:57] Yeah, my name is Tom Sawyer, [13:58] I'm the Army of the District of Peter. [14:00] I live in a local company. [14:02] The company is actually turning 30 years old. [14:05] I age it myself. [14:07] At the end of this month, [14:09] I think it was September 30th, [14:11] the 9th, 9th, 9th, 6th, I started it. [14:13] So we have also rented in Center Harbor, [14:15] Most of our tech's out there and we have a couple of remote staff and we do do both tech. [14:22] We have security value, security gentleman who has an interesting thing, but he actually [14:29] can do certain security repairs without having to worry, you know, I think part of the old [14:45] questions of the quotes. I think we've provided the quotes for the [14:52] manic sources. Yeah. Turn the Microsoft transition down the road. [15:00] All right, [15:06] we're going to just keep moving. I'm Sean, I'm the vice president of Red Reboot. We have about three offices across [15:13] doing with one in Chai Chester, Sosh Compton, New Hampshire, one up in Littleton, New Hampshire and the other and we're in Berlin to Vermont. [15:20] We're fairly new companies, sorry, about four years ago, but we had staff, you know, we spent an anniversary for 20 plus years at this point. [15:27] We pretty much do anything for managing to you for small meeting businesses, all the way to towns. [15:31] I'm going to raise a box. [15:35] Thank you. [15:37] Go and roll by, Rollin'. [15:38] Yeah, yeah. [15:39] There's already a line. [15:41] I'm going to say about this. [15:44] I'm Nick Roy with the overall technologies. [15:47] We're kind of a bear Mac. [15:49] Been in business about 25 years now. [15:51] So five, five, currits that. [15:53] Members, six, one coming on board and no members. [15:56] So, Roy and have multiple municipalities in New Hampshire. [16:00] Massachusetts and for the New England towns we have clients and so kind of [16:06] are we getting out there and into the business here. [16:10] Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Ness, I own Nessit, I started at [16:14] gosh junior high school a long time ago. We've got clients really across the [16:20] country from Texas stuff for me, but we have a really heavy presence here in [16:24] the country, but we do a lot of municipalities through the Overwatch [16:26] Foundation, who I think you're probably familiar with, doing [16:30] Dr. of migrations and trying to strengthen the cybersecurity [16:32] for tons of municipalities and water. [16:44] I guess one question I had, in terms of security services, [16:52] cybersecurity services, [16:55] the proposal you submitted, I [16:57] didn't go side by side by side, I'm security piece of it. [17:00] I guess, what does the security piece include? [17:08] Sure, in our quote, it would include multi-layered security. [17:15] And then the only piece there would be, [17:17] it's missing what B2, DPSS, the firewalls, [17:21] but that's the only piece that's missing, [17:22] but there's also protection built into the end point within the included products [17:28] that we put on the book that will protect you both in and outside of the building, even though [17:33] that are all smart, like right up to date as of today. [17:38] Do the proposals for each of the workstations as their vulnerability management is there? [17:43] I mean, obviously there's anti-virus and stuff like that, and like, at the server level, [17:48] are we going all clouded? Are we going? That was not a question. We're going all clouded. [17:52] No, I don't mean hybrid. Hybrid is the thought. [17:55] I mean, we got to consider funds. [17:58] Yeah, at this point, there's been other than the migration of the 365 with the DACA of [18:03] which, hopefully, over a lot, should be involved, but that's down the road. [18:10] But for now, we'll just give it to protect what's here. [18:13] And protection would travel with a laptop that a user was using for a lot of business. [18:19] VPN? [18:21] Yeah, so you have it built into your soft walls. [18:31] I'm just trying to do that. [18:33] Yeah. [18:33] Put your other word. [18:35] Don't do that. [18:35] You don't want to want to. [18:36] It's all alone on public. [18:37] Yeah. [18:38] That's why it's alright. [18:39] You have to do that. [18:40] What's not in the air? [18:41] Our security client. [18:43] Yeah. [18:43] You too, you know. [18:46] That's what I'm talking about. [18:48] Oh, you too, channel. [18:50] It's always kind of like how specific do I get? [18:54] No. [18:54] It's the three line item on our straight-on. [18:57] It's a different tool. [18:59] So I think that's a Arctic wolf on one of the proposals. [19:03] What was that? [19:05] One of the market wolf. [19:07] You think we got 11, so we could have left it. [19:09] We could have left it. [19:11] We could have left it. [19:11] OK. [19:13] OK. [19:17] No, I guess I got a general question. [19:20] As you know, consolidate is doing a way with the business man. [19:24] Copper. [19:25] We might not tell the system. [19:27] or bringing in a finium fiber, kind of what is the transition from our existing servers on [19:35] network to the fiber. And you guys done that before? Is that something common or something? [19:42] Yeah, okay, no, I just, I don't understand that's why I'm asking sure. Kind of what the plan is, [19:46] how would you transition to the new, you know, fiber service? It's not that complicated. The only thing, [19:52] I'm sure the whole team would say the same thing, the static IP is that needs to be connected [19:58] to the state, just need this plan, but it needs to be done, but I was looking at that. [20:02] Okay, but you guys have had a project like that before, yeah, yeah. [20:08] How many total users would you say each of your company supports across each of your clients? [20:17] Right around 14 to 15 other. [20:18] Wow, okay. Yeah, 12 to 14. Yeah, what about the team? How many staff do you have? [20:27] Well, I'll have 12 to 13, but that's because I have some salespeople. [20:30] The work I have a little bit of a hybrid because I also have a thraseminal store in the night retail store as well as part of our business. [20:40] Some of you people have a staff out. [20:43] We've eight total seven technical. [20:46] That I get five currently, six coming on the November 10th of total, and I get them. [20:58] And in your opinion, are there any issues in this transition from our existing, you know, the copper based network into, you know, the modern, you know, fiber based network and the operating of the hardware software? [21:13] You know, what do you guys see where that would go? [21:18] You know what I want to get it now, I just get it now. [21:23] You're on a short window. [21:26] We're up against a time crunch, but again, just I'm trying to understand the complexity [21:30] I guess, to the project to turn a transistor and also over on time. [21:34] Yeah, I think that I'm sure everybody would agree that networking is not that complicated. [21:40] It's just a planning of the state requires like a week and we've got to get some data from the consolidated. [21:45] But, you know, some extra some time would be great for it, because it is where it is. [21:52] And then the phone piece, you know, your phone systems currently, it's like a hybrid system. [21:58] So, you actually have the Gableings pretty much intact for everything. [22:02] So, we can come set phones. [22:04] This is the right aside of the current phones. [22:05] And have them ringing right away. [22:08] And then do the transition of the lines, as I know that's also on it that line. [22:12] Yeah, that's what do you see any issues in meeting our schedule? [22:16] You know, so that time consolidated, [22:18] shut stomach over networks. [22:21] Yeah. I kind of kept calling that for somebody to work and they were like, yeah. [22:24] Yeah, I know that. Yeah, that's what I call it. [22:28] October 31st, whatever's there to deadline. [22:30] That's the only hit, yeah. Yes. I know. They're, they're being really tough to them. But that's something, I mean, all four of your companies, you could meet that schedule too. [22:41] So, in short, we had a functioning phone system as consolidated, you know, drops that out of option. [22:48] All right, well, last question. Where do you, you know, intentionally, or the way to use AI here, coming to company workflow with your customers? [23:03] We're just that slowly with goggles, you know, but we're not told anybody, you know, it doesn't use case in the business case. [23:13] We can secure it. [23:15] We're all bored. [23:17] Yeah, I mean, for us internally, we don't really leverage it for anything outside of like client data or documentation. [23:22] We don't need for it currently at that level. [23:24] But I mean, for a town perspective, this is something you guys want to use. [23:27] And safeguarding is the right way to go about it. [23:28] for us internally. My user pretty research, but never touches client infrastructure anyway. [23:34] Okay. Yeah, we have the same. Doesn't click touch any client data. We don't put it on [23:38] websites chat bots or anything like that. It stays for user user internally to have crafts [23:47] around SOPs and stuff like that. We're finding other things that are a lot of those times now. [23:52] So we actually use pre-eventally. We've built out a whole automation tool. [23:57] Years ago, we kind of set the goal of anything that doesn't add value to a customer should be automated. [24:03] So we've been using it for probably four or five years pretty heavily to do back end work. [24:07] So things that I would rather spend time chatting with and users than nobody likes doing, [24:13] you know, facing the dispatches or going through or doing any sort of update. [24:17] So we're not heavily there. It does touch client networks, [24:20] but heavily heavily guarded all monitored and we have a suction that monitors all out of that. [24:25] My [24:29] company just laid off another my previous company just laid off another 4,000 people to 26,000 people laid off because they [24:37] Judicious use [25:03] Do you have any more questions? [25:04] No, this one will make sure that we're confident that we can meet our tight deadline [25:10] and have a function in the phone system. [25:12] So we take up and running by the end of October. [25:14] I guess my question is where would you be looking to start the process? [25:19] Tomorrow? [25:25] We can start tomorrow. [25:27] We can start tomorrow. [25:27] It is. [25:28] You want to make sure you have, while we only have one. [25:30] Yeah, we're really back to bring us a walk and the order is placed. [25:38] Oh, they don't know. [25:40] I'll see that the square finiam is letting us down. [25:43] Okay. So we're, I'll be on the phone with that tomorrow though. [25:46] I can do that. [25:47] Because they're still have to, they have to pull the fiber and everything right. [25:51] There's nothing. [25:51] I mean, we can make a work with what we have right now except for the transfer station [25:55] because they don't have any internet. [25:57] But we can we can move travel down home when you talk don't tell them they're gonna hold roll of it up back [26:04] You get everywhere [26:11] Do any department heads you're having questions for the idea [26:14] I think more my questions after we see it then [26:22] I was just gonna say the network is priority phones option [26:26] We have to end up with the net work as the key. [26:31] I was going to say again, with the process that we're proposing, it comes with an app, [26:36] so you do not really log into it without having your phone and have your phone presence on yourself. [26:41] We have no sense of risk here. [26:44] That's a future problem. [26:46] I got no sense of risk here. [26:48] There's no bars here. [26:50] That's the other. [26:53] That's a future. [26:54] to add on. Hopefully. [26:57] To many of the service providers have the question, [27:00] who's a fraudster and who's to add? [27:03] Well, Craig here, are you using to, [27:06] we all offer pretty similar services, [27:08] and we're all very capable. [27:10] I recognize all the names. [27:12] Who are you using to separate us? [27:14] Price is a big one for us right now. [27:16] Yes, that's big one. [27:17] I'm sorry. [27:18] I have a business. [27:20] And the bill of these sort of deliver, [27:21] You know, to meet the tight deadline. I mean, that's a priori already, especially on the network, it's my question. [27:26] That's number one is, you know, you know, you can see it. [27:31] And then, um, and then yeah, obviously services included. [27:40] Usually they decide on value, so price plus services that's best value for the town, um, prices are big one right now because of our situation, which I think I think you always [27:56] So that's kind of where we are. [27:59] So as offered as this is, please make a motion to your section one of this. [28:05] All right. [28:11] So you can discuss as well. [28:14] We too that we're almost down on a price. [28:19] And I believe one can also provide some services in house. [28:23] That's all right. [28:25] So, yeah. [28:26] For money, yeah. [28:27] Thank you, Jane. [28:28] For that word. [28:30] I think we all heard you see it. [28:34] All right. [28:35] From this reading, I know. [28:36] And leave that for me and I contact her as [28:40] Lake's region. [28:41] They will check her vibe. [28:44] Yeah. [28:44] Very competitive price. [28:46] Extremely competitive price. [28:51] And the phone service. [28:54] I think so, this reading of notes which are very helpful. [29:00] You can't read nine notes, I don't know what that says. [29:04] Sorry, I don't know what that says. [29:06] She keeps the code that says I can't read notes. [29:09] She keeps the code that says I can't read notes. [29:09] You just can't read notes. [29:10] Cody, doesn't she. [29:12] You can't read notes. [29:13] You can't read notes. [29:13] No, I can't read notes. [29:23] Did you see him again? Are you good? [29:25] No, I'm good. [29:26] Okay. [29:27] I trust you always depending on this one. [29:29] the idea, the idea, the work, security, the expert, the group needs to be personal. [29:35] Paul, there's a colleague wants to put a fake IT, means that they meant to say fake it, [29:40] but then so many of them, but they wrote dots on it, so they meant to fake IT, they could tell you make it. [29:45] All right, then we can kind of make a motion. [29:49] Yes, please. [29:50] Yeah, I don't make a motion to accept, like, three-gen, as our IT and over there. [29:54] A little second. [29:55] Okay. [29:56] Thank you very much. [30:06] Thank you. [30:09] Thank you. [30:24] Thank you. [30:25] Thank you. [30:30] I'm proud. [30:32] Just for curiosity which one? [30:34] Thank you. [30:35] Thanks very much. [30:37] Thank you. [30:38] Thank you. [30:39] Thank you. [30:41] Yeah. [30:43] Yeah. [30:43] Yeah. [30:44] Yeah. [30:44] Some of the pricing was that the four most reasonable ones that were all here were 37,000 year, 35,000 year. [30:57] and the other two were about 18,000 here. [31:00] Great. [31:01] So we'll go over 100. [31:02] We started the original. [31:04] Yeah. [31:05] On 20. [31:06] On 20, yeah. [31:07] On 20, yeah. [31:10] What? [31:10] Yep. [31:11] With existing. [31:11] With existing care. [31:14] With that. [31:14] That's what it targets us here. [31:16] For everything. [31:17] For who? [31:18] It seems like a party. [31:19] It seems like a party. [31:21] I'm not. [31:21] I pretty comfortable because there are people. [31:25] There are people. [31:26] There are people. [31:31] because we need to accept that we're going to do the fiber as well because I need [31:36] fitting and the process. [31:38] But we need to have this all done together. [31:41] So I need to accept that. [31:42] I want to make a motion for you. [31:44] Yes, please. [31:45] All right. [31:45] I'd like to make a motion that we proceed. [31:48] The students possible with the FINEM hook up to the town buildings. [31:52] I think we're even spoke about we're going to run the mind to the historical building. [31:56] for the OMS that he is. [31:58] Is there a library running? [32:00] DPSW library. [32:04] Please permit which town hall. [32:09] The DPSW, the second garage, the fire station, [32:13] the transportation, the library. [32:16] In this circle. [32:18] Yeah, we. [32:20] I was just going to make sure that especially [32:21] you like the library and everybody was included. [32:24] How else can you use motion? [32:26] This works. [32:27] When you contact them, if you could let them know they have a low hanging cable at the end of the pick for growth. [32:34] That is going to get yanked down the first snowstorm. [32:37] No, is it straight? [32:39] Yes, I don't know. [32:40] Is it active in the video? [32:41] It hasn't been there before. [32:44] Yes, it's a 10-millimeter. [32:45] Yes, it's a 10-millimeter. [32:47] It's fairly new. [32:47] It's fairly new, so. [32:49] Yeah. [32:49] We just need to use very low. [32:51] Okay. [32:51] But I seconded Joe's motion. [32:54] Thank you. [32:55] I seconded Joe's motion. [32:56] All the favour? [32:57] All the favour? [32:57] All the favour? [32:57] Okay. [32:58] We could go now. [32:59] I'm kidding. [33:00] I see support. [33:02] We will not lose our phones. [33:07] All right now. [33:08] I love that. [33:10] I love that. [33:11] You may have free deals for people to get to touch you. [33:13] You have free deals for people to get to touch you. [33:14] You have free deals for people to touch you. [33:15] You have free deals for people to touch you. [33:15] All right. [33:18] Perfect. [33:18] Perfect. [33:19] A little bit. [33:22] Albert Rose, there he is right here. Mr. Shriver, I'm being a Shriver 474 Albert Rose. [33:34] So I held off after our 100 years. I'm going to just summarize rather than read this engine. [33:38] This one was a 500 year, but the 100 was 3 years. [33:41] I've got 100. [33:45] I will edit that. [33:46] Please. [33:47] 600 years worth and three years. [33:51] So we'll have a road probably been washing out since it was put in. [33:56] I'll configure just the way it's designed. [33:58] It channels the water. [34:00] But then we have on top of that the logic on the top of the hill. [34:04] So we're getting more, more stone water all at once. [34:10] And I've been here before to discuss the idea of a color at the bottom. [34:15] But with the event of that storm, I thought we should really revisit that. [34:19] And I wanted to wait until you guys did get a lot of it on your plate. [34:23] And so I spoke with Dylan. [34:25] Don't be an email, actually. [34:27] And you know, had another idea, which was what they did at Colby Road, where it meets 113. [34:34] Two culverts. [34:35] So I've carried the water straight through. [34:37] But after discussing with Dylan, he said, let's stick with the original carrying over cross underneath Albert Road from the east side to the west side and up it into the storm drain there. That goes underneath Moon Hill. [34:53] So that's, I just wanted to bring that to your attention and tell you that that's what we intended to do. [35:00] we did have a proposal and the fellow was going to do it. In fact, he did a great job. He got us back [35:08] like within two days after the storm, you know, being able to go up the road. But then he got busy with everything [35:14] else. So we'll see what the timing actually is on it. That's really it. Thank you. [35:21] Just a quick question, Dylan. This is going to work. This is, you're okay and everything's good here. [35:28] I am not saying it's going to work. [35:30] No, no, no. [35:31] I'm just going to be clear. [35:34] This will be installed at Mr. Treyvers' cost. [35:38] You're going to hire the contractor to put it in. [35:40] Well, right. [35:40] We're responsible for the homeowner. [35:43] So I have to round everybody up and say, OK, who's the end result? [35:48] OK. [35:48] Now, I just want to make sure that people understand that the homeowner is including yourself. [35:53] We're going to take care of the cost to put the culprit in. [35:56] Right. [35:56] I mean, possibly, if I did go under Mooney Hill, it could become part of the FEMA proposal, [36:02] which, you know, the government would be nice, but then again, I don't know how to do it. [36:06] You don't have great anyway. [36:08] No. [36:08] Yeah, it's only to bring roads to their factories. [36:11] No, it's not. [36:13] That's okay. [36:13] That's okay. [36:14] I'll call over under Mooney Hill would be a big concern. [36:17] Considering it's right at the page, and it's got to be repaid. [36:19] If you had a survey and a variety of things, even though there are, you won't call it there. [36:23] What is it in one, how to get this? [36:26] That's why we went the way we did. [36:28] Okay. No, I got time. [36:30] Good. Well, thank you. [36:31] Thank you. [36:31] All right, sir. [36:34] So is it town going to have any oversight of this to ensure that it goes, [36:39] not the same day, and that you're going to do anything wrong, [36:42] but to make sure that it's that it's that it's put in correctly, [36:47] that it operates correctly, that it's the correct width, [36:51] you know, well that kind of stuff that's gonna hold all of that. [36:56] I'm not sure if you've told them what you're talking about. [36:59] The plans already, they got their plans at the town, can look at to see if what this is actually going to tail other than just a verbal. [37:07] We're going to put a culvert underneath. [37:09] So I'm presuming going from top to bottom when you say East to West, which is because Albert runs north south. [37:18] So you're going from basically as you're going up the hill, it would be from the top side of Albert to the bottom side of Albert. [37:25] No, the culvert is going to cross from the... [37:30] Right-hand side, so if you're going up, up the road, that's east. [37:33] Going up your road, up the road. Right, that's the same. [37:37] So I don't want to move. So it's up there. [37:38] You're going up moaning. [37:39] Oh, correct. And Albert is this way. [37:41] Yes. Right? This way. [37:43] It's going from here. This is Albert. [37:45] Yes. It's going from here to here. [37:47] Yes. Where there's already a huge ditch. [37:51] There. There. [37:53] That. [37:53] A whole lot of kinds of stuff. [37:54] Ten goes up right side of the road and Albert road to the left side of the road. [37:56] Right side of the road. Yes. Right side of Albert. [37:58] to the left to the way that the whole already is attached. [38:03] So the two sides of this are one that it is [38:06] resident maintained for the remote support segment. [38:09] Then the other side of it is about six, eight, [38:11] you mean ten months ago at this point, [38:14] the then DPW director was asked to go up and advise [38:18] those maintaining the road. [38:20] So was that, so and you've now consulted again with that? [38:22] I've had discussion so we're planning an 18-inch [38:25] Because what it feeds into is 18 inch. [38:29] And we just hope that it collects the water. [38:34] We're going, as I mentioned in my letter, [38:36] we're going to continue to divert water [38:38] from the top of the road as best we can. [38:41] Not with standing, flooding, neighbors, lawns. [38:46] Which is a challenge. [38:47] So you've had the conversation. [38:49] So you've reviewed in this kind of stamp of approval. [38:53] Okay, I [38:58] know you want to see it go plan. [39:03] Well, no, I want them to see the time. [39:05] I have any expertise in this. [39:06] But from living on that, living off of Monio Road for 10 years, [39:11] what I've watched happen isn't necessarily always [39:13] from the right hand side of Albert to the left hand side. [39:17] It comes down Albert Road and kills that covert right [39:22] to set room to 17. House number to 17, right? That that culvert has been, I don't know how [39:30] many times it's been damaged dugout, reworked, you know, a clean that kind of stuff and so my [39:38] concern is that yes, we're going to, you are going to divert water that's coming down Mooney Hill Road [39:45] basically but you're not really going to be doing anything that takes into account the water [39:50] come in off of Albert Rene. [39:51] No, you're missing understand. [39:53] And the culvert they're putting in is further up. [39:55] It's not right at the intersection. [39:56] It's further up Albert Road to capture water coming down [40:01] and direct it. [40:02] And then further up, they're going to try a bunch [40:05] of different measures. [40:06] Water, water, water, water. [40:08] So it's turn the water out. [40:09] So it's not all of hitting moony hell, hopefully. [40:12] So how far up Albert Road is that, I'm sorry. [40:17] How fun. [40:18] Have you seen the plan that shows you? [40:20] a far up Albert Road. This is going to go around doesn't. We don't maintain over road. So again, [40:28] have you seen the plan? Have you seen or talked with that? No, we have. We have not we do not have a plan [40:34] drawn or yes yet. So we'll get something on paper and then run it by doing. That's fair. [40:45] Thank you for coming. [40:51] No, it's good. It's good. I don't want you spend money and it doesn't fix the problem, you know. Well, all right [40:57] It's good. It's probably not good. It's like we'd like the shot in the arm if we get five six inches of rain and two and three hours again [41:05] I don't say it's no color. I'll take it out. All right [41:07] Well, you know, I did just to stop the debris coming down that is coming down on the out of from the right-hand side of the road [41:15] Okay, thank you sir. Thank you [41:18] Thank you [41:20] All right, next department has lists, left here, healing, I forgot to tell [41:32] you, okay? [41:35] Let's see what we've done. [41:37] Let's catch him. [41:38] Right down, don't forget. [41:40] Yeah, I hear you got that. [41:43] I don't have much, um, pike did pushback with paving a couple days, so it does the 21st, [41:49] it's the 24th now. [41:51] Jeff and I confirmed today, again, he is still confirmed for the 24th. [41:56] It sounds like they're going to be starting with deer drive reclaiming it and then taking the reclaim of a marital [42:02] Do the side of the hill [42:04] I assume they're going to have a second crew going and doing [42:09] wash-out patches because that's all going to be handwork [42:13] So I assume they'll have two crews going around town [42:22] We're going to be pulling this one lines and everything in the air. Pretty quick [42:26] Water getting cold [42:28] My other thought was, when we draw the lake down for October 15, I think it should be talked about to really draw it down open up the spillway and really draw it down and fix the bolt on before that gets worse breaks from where the bolts have powled out and they've undermined that so much. [42:50] There's a huge hole in the back and off in there I can stuck and last year you know last year [42:55] a trailer was stuck in there they dropped down into the hole yeah alright so how can we you know if we fix it now how can we prevent it in the future [43:14] I don't know other than that, I don't know how you talk about it. [43:18] It is posted in a barrel. [43:20] Yeah. [43:21] People do. [43:22] Do other people want to use a barrel engine? [43:25] Have you seen it? [43:26] No, no, I've just heard about it. [43:28] Maybe we can find out about that. [43:31] I don't think I'm going to have to ask all of that. [43:34] I don't care, but I guess. [43:35] I don't know what you do. [43:36] So this over like hosts are there to make sure that the boats are clean and people are bringing it [43:41] with fun guy and stuff. [43:43] I have said I've had marine patrols bottle right in front of me, I don't know if you don't [43:47] have something. [43:49] Maybe the only thing the only fix would be to extend the concrete further into the lake. [43:55] You think we could put a steel plate or something at the end there to, you know what I mean? [44:00] Tamp or anything. [44:01] No, but it would be there, at least it would temporarily solve it. [44:06] I mean we can't put a conflict slab in there. [44:09] Well I think you just still back in. [44:11] I know I hate that every fall you're going to be. [44:14] It's also been getting all stone in America. [44:16] We don't have to play any jewelry. [44:18] Yeah, that's right. [44:20] Yeah, but big rocks in there. [44:22] I think it's something we need to still in there now. [44:25] But you put big rocks in and all of them there. [44:26] More than that. [44:28] How's it? [44:28] Big and that. [44:30] Let's look in there now. [44:31] Glasses. [44:32] It's a way for it to settle. [44:34] How low do you think the water will go? I don't know. I've never seen it. So I don't know. Yeah, that's a [44:41] But you need to be able to get your actuator in there right there. I put while the stone back until the pit there [44:46] I mean Conway just did it to their bow horns [44:49] It was a last year. It was a two years ago. I don't remember it was in the paper. Yeah, I [44:55] Think it should be discussed. It's something I think it needs to be done. So it was a product no [45:00] That's just a fifth living under the program. Is it? It's dug out that under my not money. It goes me, mole. [45:08] Find him, release. [45:11] Show him, he's drove down on the 15th. Is that when we drove, it has to be taken. [45:15] The fire is that to be the winner level, which is 3.8 is 3.8 by October 15th. [45:25] That's 29th. [45:26] Okay, so we should start. Yeah, starting. Probably that week will start drawing it down, but we can put it out to everybody all the way that if we're going to do that, we're going to drop it. [45:36] We should notify just like testing everybody, yes. How much lower. How low can you go? [45:44] All the way to the bottom. [45:45] Probably have to I'm just going off memory. [45:48] Maybe two feet another two more feet. Yeah, from one to another. [45:55] Roughly, maybe it's just, yes. [45:57] Yeah. [45:57] What's the effect of that? [46:01] And if we get rain after you fix it, it'll just come back up. [46:05] You put the, you'll put the, close the down back up, the natural rain, I'm guessing it would [46:10] probably take maybe a week at the most drop it down there, and that's filled with less [46:17] up a lot of water fast. [46:18] That's a lot of water. [46:19] That's a lot of water. [46:20] I'm gonna push it. [46:23] Okay. [46:24] No, I think it's definitely something we need to do because you think I know. [46:28] You draw down that extra. [46:32] Three, two, three feet on the 15, the round of 15s. [46:36] We can do it anytime. [46:38] Just state requires every year we have five. [46:41] Yeah, we do it the way. [46:43] We just should just let people make way through. [46:45] We have to give people a way through a service. [46:47] Yeah. [46:47] Yeah. So if they get a little bit of a spring if you want it. Well, all right down the ground, we get a little bit of texture of the main of snow. Yeah, probably they're a little bit of winter. [47:00] Hi, they do. What's the dollar for you to see here are done. [47:06] Just the excavator or something to pull what they can back in back in back in. [47:15] I don't see why we saw it on a means of notification. [47:22] So you're deciding, yes, to doing that now? [47:27] No, what? [47:28] I don't see why. [47:30] I was suggestive that something you want us to do. [47:33] Pick a date. [47:34] You want the late or to tell people the lake is going to be that long. [47:38] Well, everybody knows October 15th. We are dropped to the winter level, but there is always some strike. [47:44] No, I know, and they're not going to get the boat out. [47:47] They're just hung up in the water. You're going to drop it down to the winter level by the required date, [47:52] but we will be dropping it further by this date. [47:56] We'll be dropping it further by this date. [47:57] I put that out to find the easiest view there's to come to work. [48:03] Before, that's a reason. [48:06] You don't want to be in my air. [48:09] You don't want to be in my air. [48:11] That's fine. [48:12] That's fine. [48:12] So folks would already expect it to be done by the 15. [48:15] So we'll just let them know after the things can go lower. [48:19] So what is the best way to let people know was my question, [48:22] because not everyone that wars is this. [48:25] We live in solar Lake or Madison. [48:27] What do you say? [48:29] We could try a new emergency. [48:31] Absolutely. [48:33] That'll get most everybody in the ones that it doesn't get chances are they have friends on the league. [48:40] Even put a sign up down at the boat march. [48:43] Just saying after October 15th, you know, people take the boat in and out right for the day first for the weekend or whatever. [48:49] We can ask slam to send us slam to send us. [48:52] Well, this emergency notification system will capture most of us. [48:56] That's a good idea. [48:57] Um, I think you guys the motion that yes, you want this to happen and when you want it to happen [49:03] Okay, I can make a motion. I make a motion that we proceed with Dylan's plan to lower the late to fix the power of water [49:11] Hit the tip that's at the bottom of the mound [49:15] And [49:15] Twenty-second [49:17] Twenty by October 22nd [49:19] That's a week after [49:22] Is that fair? [49:23] They're not snowing [49:25] You know, we're too long either, yeah, so yeah, so starting the 19th, starting the week of the 19th. [49:31] Start the week, drop the start, drop in the water. [49:35] What do you think as far as, what does that like a two or three day, what do you think for the depends on what we get coming in? [49:43] Depends on how watched out underneath it is. [49:46] Oh, fixing it? [49:48] Fix it. [49:48] Fix it. [49:49] A day with the excavator mate. [49:51] Okay. [49:51] Oh, second. [49:52] Okay. [49:55] So motion was made to drop it for usual by the 15th but then to drop it even further so that [50:03] work can be done the week of the 19th and then we will be contacting residents by emergency [50:10] notification and I don't love that there's so we have an emergency and non-emergency okay [50:17] Okay, so we'll do not have to make it worse. [50:20] Okay, post it on the website. [50:21] We'll do a little bit of a perfect place. [50:22] Yep, and then email sign. [50:23] Let's see how Dave will get it out. [50:27] Okay. [50:28] So that is our motion. [50:29] Yep. [50:29] It has been seconded on a favorite. [50:31] Hi. [50:32] Hi. [50:33] Hi. [50:34] Thank you. [50:35] Um, and starting Monday, we're going back to our normal five day work weeks. [50:40] I was supposed to. [50:41] We're on our 10th anniversary. [50:42] Can you do that on our 10th anniversary? [50:45] 4th anniversary. [50:46] I don't know why. [50:47] It's nice right on the server. [50:48] There's no longer 24s in the winter. [50:52] Yeah. [50:52] There's enough of income. [50:54] Yeah. [50:54] How do we look now that we're getting into, you know, the cold and weather fall. [50:59] As far as, um, have you guys finished screening all the sand and you got the salt and everything. [51:05] Everything will be ready for an audio. [51:06] Thanks for bringing that up. [51:08] Our salt coke came in. [51:09] I've already signed it back. [51:11] We have to send in the estimated damage for the year. [51:14] and solved only one up for all those at times last year. [51:18] I hope all things consider it on their own. [51:20] I hope they assume that's all over. [51:22] Oh, no, no. [51:23] So four or ten, and it's a lot of time. [51:25] Great. [51:26] You should get an estimate on the delivery fee if it's not. [51:28] That's a code. [51:29] That's a code. [51:30] That's a code. [51:31] Do you get a code? [51:31] Because if you don't take the delivery in Couching War. [51:36] Yeah. [51:36] Okay. [51:38] Alright, it's not bad. [51:39] It's like 350 to 500 like does that a number is up like 350 tons or something like five hundred and five two times [51:46] So we used to do 350, but it went up to like five fifty right here [51:50] How more pavement [51:55] Sometimes I don't understand [52:01] I did a ride around I think I told you I thought I can't remember with a representative Richard Brown [52:09] And which he's looking for alternative funding sources and haven't heard back from because frankly there aren't any at the state level of the state's just as strapped as we are. [52:18] But that being said, in my ride around with him, having conversation, he made a suggestion that we look into, you know, given all the hype verbally about the deforestation. [52:30] Being involved in the water damage that we're seeing, that perhaps we have a local ordinance requiring the submission of a sort of a plot plan for the proposed cut with an intent to cut and have an ordinance that requires runoff to be contained to that property. [52:53] Like it's dependent on what they're going to take away for trees that they have a plan for [53:02] the water capturing the ground surface waters and keeping them there on that property. [53:14] And I don't know if that's possible, but just something bring to your attention if we're having conversation [53:19] I'm kind of worried. [53:20] I should have pondered. [53:21] Yeah, but I do that a lot in the south because it's so gone. [53:25] Everything's our pack and so on. [53:27] But right now, it's not required. [53:29] And I don't know what the parameters are with respect to an intensity. [53:32] What you happen to know in the yellow, down it does it. [53:35] He didn't. [53:36] OK. [53:37] Didn't specifically. [53:38] We used to give that somebody else to start. [53:41] That's something that I was hoping would [53:42] come out of the watershed management study [53:44] is that looking at the top down, looking at the T4 station that's [53:48] happening and where it is rolling into our stuff, I mean it, I mean a lot of it, depending [53:53] on where you are, you can get outside the Civil Lake watershed pretty quickly. [53:58] I mean a lot of it didn't just come in within the watershed, but that side of the mountain [54:05] isn't, I mean in a roundabout way some of that water ends up the long way around, but anyway [54:11] It just is a global thing to look at a potential local. [54:17] He seemed in the case that he could happen, [54:20] but he's also not a lawyer. [54:23] That wouldn't be as zoning ordinance. [54:25] What is it? [54:25] No, it would be a counter ordinance, like a parking fine or a... [54:32] You know, [54:37] oh, oh. [54:37] Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. [54:39] You know, like a rural organization. [54:41] So that's just something for if we have some discussion. [54:44] with town council, maybe in his network. He would have some contacts and maybe somebody had done that somewhere. [54:54] Still on an eye, rode around with representatives from the Northern Resource Conservation Service, [55:02] which is the federal folks dealing with emergency watershed protection funds. [55:13] and they can't promise us anything of course but they took a bunch of photographs and drew [55:19] diagrams. They were concerned, our projects weren't big enough for them. They like [55:26] multi-million dollars because the paperwork for five million is the same as for five [55:30] thousand and they like to take big swings but she didn't. She was going to run it through their [55:38] panels and see what the boss has thought. [55:41] An alternative suggestion that she had was, [55:45] if instead of the town of Madison being the sponsor, [55:49] if the county of Carroll could be the sponsor, the county commissioners, [55:55] then we could aggregate Madison with Eaton and Freedom of Tamworth [55:59] depending on what they had for damages, [56:02] and then that would make one set of paperwork for the county [56:06] with smaller projects within, so I haven't heard anything back yet, it's only been, we met with them on Thursday. [56:17] So I did tell her the way, kind of, the way the kind of your caroloperates and all of our representatives have a voice down there. [56:24] So if that needed to happen, I think we could probably make it happen. [56:29] But more to follow once we hear back from, but the responding available is whether we can find a mechanism. [56:36] to make it work, but it's only going to deal with where perennial streams approach our infrastructure, [56:48] not the infrastructure itself. They can't help us rebuild the road, but they can help us rebuild the armament [56:53] around our bridges and culverts with a lot of approaches. Nothing ventured nothing gained everything. [57:02] If it could work out, it'll definitely be helpful, but I have to wait to hear back from them. [57:09] And we're going to a seminar tomorrow put on by the Swift River or something or other [57:19] the Conway Fire Department and Dartmouth College about rural flooding in mostly, [57:27] I mean Conway Fire Department's hosting it, because they got the Swift River and the Soko, [57:31] which plague them in times like these but we're going to go up it's I don't know what it's [57:39] going to bring we'll see kind of discussion it's going to be that'll be tomorrow after [57:45] noon [57:51] much all up you up for today how are we looking for getting the tax rates set and second [57:56] bills out [58:00] Oh dear, I was looking at all the stuff right now. [58:03] So before we should make it for that, [58:11] Dilma T2 be able to, they're just road maintenance [58:14] like they wouldn't have any inch of anything [58:17] about what would be on them. [58:18] They would be just using these digital roads [58:20] and nothing beyond that. [58:24] We'll pass. [58:24] I can't speak for it, I don't know, but yeah. [58:26] We'll go away from each other too. [58:28] Yeah, just, all hands on deck, especially with three. [58:33] Yeah? [58:33] Thank you. [58:35] All right. [58:37] Is that all your performance? [58:39] Slow. [58:40] I'll go with the library. [58:43] Always love slow. [58:44] I did have one thing. [58:47] We're hosting CPR, AED certification class tomorrow. [58:52] Starting at 5.30 at the fire station. [58:55] So let's do it Thursday. [58:57] Five minutes. [58:57] Five minutes. [58:58] I said tomorrow. [58:59] The time goes by. [59:02] She's going to be here. [59:05] She's going to be here five. [59:08] I already know that she's gonna be a little late because he's coaching the soccer game, but I told him that just show up a little bit late. [59:16] We'll catch you up because [59:18] Looks like it's long, I'd be a little late too. [59:20] Yeah, no, if you already said that. [59:21] Just look at the class starts at 6 p.m. or just you start. [59:24] Well, it will be. [59:25] It'll start when she starts. If she shows up at 5.30, she's not gonna be ready to go. [59:28] She gets set up in mannequins and stuff like that. [59:31] be there. We could start it by six, but it's close to 530 so you're ready to go if you're [59:37] planning to attend. Right now I've got nine from outside the fire department which is great [59:43] and I haven't gotten any commitments from it's our ordinary meeting night so hopefully everybody [59:48] on fire department shows up. Okay, I'm going to be 2021. But it's good it's going to get you a card [59:54] certification. Anybody that's sitting here, come on down. There's a nice post. [1:00:00] We can move the trucks out and we can host hundreds in there. It's what she's going to have from mannequins. It could be a longer night than more people we have. [1:00:08] The more the marriage. [1:00:10] It's going to be taken care of by the fire. [1:00:13] It's just going to say it was cost with our training clothes. [1:00:17] No, it's not that much. [1:00:19] Show me charges for the cards. [1:00:23] It's going to be a pleasure. [1:00:25] I'd rather not say. It's going to be affordable. [1:00:27] And the fight about what's going to take care of it through our training funds [1:00:33] It's more important to get the training been where it is. Yes, I may have people like from the church [1:00:39] You know how we are the eight the more the area [1:00:41] Yeah, I don't have any of the software media or anything like that [1:00:44] But I wouldn't want to have two three hundred people that'd be an awful lot [1:00:49] We had 30 if that's fine. All right. I'm more concerned I got [1:00:54] of three quarters of the highway department, which is, which is real good. It's important for [1:01:01] them to know. [1:01:02] You have the right counselor, Susan. [1:01:04] I put it out to Heather. I don't know. I haven't heard back. [1:01:08] Because she got right counselors and volunteers for a couple of years ago. [1:01:14] Okay. [1:01:16] I'm inspired. [1:01:20] All right, I'm going to head from the bottom. [1:01:22] Mine's very exciting for us. [1:01:24] two hundred thirty eight permits issue so far this year from January 1st the fees collected [1:01:31] for that is twenty four thousand ninety eight dollars and the estimated value of all [1:01:36] these projects is eight million three forty eight and two dollars. So that's the estimated [1:01:44] costs when they submit the permanent applications of what the value of the project is. [1:02:05] So we will move into our joint volume, this is a boundary, [1:02:21] I know you guys will have to grab some of them.