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Right, the January 12, 2026 regular meeting in the Malvis City Council is now called to order. In person participants, if you would like to speak, please submit your request to speak form to the clerk. Ramo participants, if you would like to speak, please join the Zoom webinar meeting, printed on the agenda. And raise your hand in Zoom when you item you wish to speak on is called. May we please have a roll call? Councilmember Conrad, here. Councilmember Stewart. Here. Councilmember Yaring. Here. Mayor pertain Silverstein. Present. Mayor Regan. Here. You have a quorum. Thank you.

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Let's do the Pledge of Allegiance, please.

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Ready to get.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under God, indivisible, was liberty and justice for all.

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May we please have a report on the posting of the agenda?

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The agenda for this meeting was properly posted on December 23, 2025.

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May we please have an approval of the agenda?

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Staff is requesting item 1b6 to be continued to a date uncertain.

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1b6 is the Kimmy Horn.

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Okay.

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Extension.

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I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

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I'll second.

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All in favour?

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Aye.

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With 1b6, continue to a date.

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1b6, continue.

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Yes.

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No votes against.

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Okay.

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On the consent.

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Do we have any speaker slips for the consent?

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No, we only had one speaker slip for 1B6, which has been continued and will not be heard tonight and we do not have any raised hands on Zoom for the consent calendar.

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Okay, does it may want to pull anything?

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I'd like to pull number five, 1B5.

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I just want to get a little more information on where we are on that.

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Okay, do you want to staff report or do you have questions?

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I've just got some mail.

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I got a question.

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Let's sit down.

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Okay.

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I want to pull 1v4, please.

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Okay. So, 1v4, 1v5.

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1v10.

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1v10.

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I want to join in.

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I'm done.

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So, 4, 5, and 10 are being pulled.

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Can we have an approval of the remainder of the arts?

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I'll make a motion to approve the rest of the agenda.

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Consent calendar.

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And the consent calendar.

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I'll second.

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All in favor?

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Hi.

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Okay, so let's start with one before resolution

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extending the declaration of the existence

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of a local emergency regarding conditions on specific coast by way.

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I just had some questions.

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I seem to, I just want to get clarity on this, because we vote on this every meeting, we

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vote to approve it, and if PCH is in a state of perpetual emergency declaration, does that

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that give us anything special privileges or I mean, we have things like roundabouts and

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we have improvement projects, does that have anything that is?

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So having a declared state of emergency does give the city certain additional powers.

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It does not impact the development projects that are being considered though.

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Those are all related to the state of PCH, but are not required to be done under a state

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of emergency.

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I mean, it's pretty like when you read it, it's pretty in depth that it's, you know,

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So we're, it's...

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The data statewide integrated traffic, how dangerous it is, resulting in the death of 23 people. Are we always going to be in this state emergency? Is there ever going to be like a moment where we feel safe on PCH and we lift it? I don't know if that's something. It just comes back to councils over and over and over again, I guess.

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This was in response to

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to the palisades fire and relative kind of activity that was around that.

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So it was for the death.

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Yes, the emergency was declared at the direction of the council.

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Any state of emergency does have to be reviewed and renewed by the council every 60 days or it is terminated.

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So if the council still thinks there is need for those additional powers,

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the additional spending that can be authorized in their city.

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Managers authority, you would need to continue the state of emergency.

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If I cancel the terms that isn't necessary, then we can bring back a termination.

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Got it.

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My recollection is I actually brought that to council initially after the, the deaths of

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the students and the, I think it stated in there, it's, we're going to be in an emergency

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until counterins actually fixes it and we're no longer in an emergency and since we don't have

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the power to fix it ourselves and since the emergency does continue until it's fixed and since

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Unfortunately, the law requires us to reaffirm this every 60 days.

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It's going to have to just keep appearing on our consent calendar.

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I mean, it would be better if we could just say it shall be there until we declare otherwise.

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But we have to keep declaring it so because they continue to leave the problem.

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They're making some incremental changes, but it's still a dangerous place, and it's still a murderous, in my view, it is.

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I agree, that's why I vote on it every two weeks, I'm just interested in how that works because at one point do we feel that it's not dangerous anymore, but I guess it will cross that bridge when we cross it, maybe it's two years without death.

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I don't know.

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No, when we see it.

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Okay, well, I just wanted to double check on that because we vote on it. That's it, thank you.

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Would you like to pick a motion?

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I'm going to approve that one.

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Yeah, I want to continue approving that.

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So you'll second.

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Second.

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Okay.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Metapost?

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Okay.

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1v5?

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Yeah.

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I pulled 1v5 primarily because as I read this, we got a serious problem in Siliconian with this

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It's a storm drain pipe, and I'm just wondering if we're going to not approve the repair,

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which makes sense.

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I read the report, and it looks like it's in a lot worse condition than when you first

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envisioned it.

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But what kind of risk are we taking, and is it still serviceable now?

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I just want to know what we're looking at since it seems to have gone downhill since we

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put out the original R&P.

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That is an excellent question, Councilmember. The answer to that is, yes, it is still

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serviceable. We will be going through an expedited redesign. The pipe still does require repair.

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But we do believe that it can withstand upcoming storms, especially after this recent storm

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that it went through. But it will be expedited and hopefully repaired soon.

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I'm assuming that you're not going to be able to put a liner in it like you propose it look from where I read here it looks like it's in pretty bad shape. So you're going to have to dig it out.

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The exact method has not been identified yet but it will be a lot more extensive than the liner which was originally anticipated.

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Okay. All right. I just want to know if we have a safety issue here it doesn't sound like we do but if we get on quickly we can solve it.

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That's right, all right.

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Correct.

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I'll make a, that satisfies me.

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I'll make a motion to approve.

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Do we have a second?

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I'll have a second.

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Okay, all in favor?

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Aye.

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None opposed?

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One, be ten.

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I ask that people.

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Yes.

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I guess my question is are we required to terminate that declaration at this time?

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Or can we, or do we have discretion to leave it in place at least one more two months?

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session, I guess, because I know it's rained a lot, but this is the time of year when

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historically we're in danger, so it seems to me that it's a little premature to pull

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it.

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Well, according to the criteria that were established by this Council, we've more than

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met, because two inches of rain, we've had more than 12 inches of rain.

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Life-yone moisture should be greater than 80.

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It's now at 166 percent and there are no fire weather watches or red flag warnings in the foreseeable future.

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So I think that we have far exceeded the criteria and it's appropriate to terminate it at this point.

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It doesn't mean I just want to say, it doesn't really change what we do.

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So our staff is out all the time, removing campments.

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This just provides us a little extra tools and justification for moving quickly in areas.

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But we do this every day, so it's not like we stop doing it, so I think we're still protected.

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What would the upside of removing it then be?

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Because once it's removed it's hard to get back, and we know that we're just going to go back into dry season.

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Right. Well, the whole point of an emergency is that you don't just declare them for any reason, right?

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So we put the criteria in there so that we can be consistent. And I mean, it could be in some respects, and

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Trevor would have to

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correct me if I'm wrong, but it provides some legal coverage that you're consistent. You have criteria.

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It's trigger when you meet the criteria, and we terminate it when we hit the other criteria.

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So then somebody can accuse us of just having an ongoing emergency and using that to

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say violate their civil rights or whatever, maybe.

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That's correct.

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And if it drops, you'll bring back a new resolution to go and implement the COV emergency,

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correct?

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Yes.

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Has the fire department been consulted about whether this is appropriate at this time?

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No, specifically, because they would definitely agree and we consulted with them on the

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criteria, but it's not within our, sorry, process to get approval from the fire department,

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but we do get the data from the fire department.

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Like the Lightfield Moisture is provided to us by the fire department.

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It's

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drawing this at this time, but we'll see what the vote is, I guess.

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Well, what would the benefit of not withdrawing it at this time be?

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I think there are some incremental benefits that are set forth in the declaration or also

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wouldn't have done it in the first place.

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So I would like to see it remain in place at least through the end of February as we've

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historically done it.

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I know the criteria have been satisfied, at least I'm hearing that they are, but I'm still

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concerned given the time of year and given the history that this is premature.

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Is there any reason why we can't keep it on?

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I mean, is there a problem that could do?

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Well, we've met the criteria.

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We've met the criteria.

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So there's, okay.

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I think it's no longer in place.

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Right, and I think for our own, like as a city,

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our credibility so that when we're declaring this,

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that we're consistent, we have criteria,

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and we're not just, say, using it as a tool to do things.

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I mean, we use it as a tool, but in the situation

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where there's high-fire danger.

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We're not in fire danger right now, thank goodness.

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And we're not in fire danger because the life-y old moisture is at such a high level.

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Correct.

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Are there other things besides the vegetation having moisture in it that there are other things that

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that can occur, that can still occur, that we're mitigating by having this in place?

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Not sure.

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Yeah, I know that was, I did not find that.

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Yeah, I mean, it is possible that the life human moisture could go down because we're having these

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Santa Ana Wins, but because the life human moisture is so high, it's highly unlikely that it will bring it down

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enough to create a danger.

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and the long-term weather forecast is one that doesn't anticipate having these red flag

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conditions or anything in it. When was the last time we approved this?

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The last year? No.

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I'm sorry. When was the last date that this came before this council that we approved this?

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When did we do it originally like the last year in September?

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But didn't we do it again at some point in time?

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The most recent extension of this particular state emergency was November 24th, 2025.

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Okay, and when would that die a natural death if we didn't affirmatively terminate it?

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I'm looking at that now and it looks like it would be January 23rd, 2026.

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Okay, so I don't see why we need to take any action on this.

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I would just leave it be and if it's really appropriate,

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re-determinate it later, die on its own.

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Has anybody said something to you with regards to this?

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Did somebody reach out and say, Malibu?

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No.

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Oh, OK.

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No.

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No.

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I think it's just the fact that the conditions were met

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back in the fall when we approved it.

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And now with all the rain, the conditions have changed.

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Just the conditions changed so vastly and frequently

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here.

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I don't want to have that particular, probably won't change until mid-summer at the soonest.

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And this would expire in next January, 2020, just like in a couple weeks.

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Yeah, so it's expiring anyway.

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If we don't take action, we don't take action.

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So do we have a motion for something?

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I'll make a motion to let it expire naturally.

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So it's denied.

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I'll second it.

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What's the motion?

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So the motion is to take no action on this item.

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What the council is understanding that the state of emergency will lapse on January 23rd.

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Yes, allow it to lapse.

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Unless we somehow, for some reason, redo it on the 24th.

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We have new circumstances.

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Yes, exactly.

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Okay. All in favor?

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All right.

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All right. So that concludes the consent calendar. Do we have any presentations or anything

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to take us to 630? We don't have any presentations and we don't have any commissioner updates but

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we will have a city manager update for you. Okay. Let's have our city manager update. Thank

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you, Mayor Council. And I'm not going to be 45 minutes until 630. So, but we have a

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That is true, that's true.

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Nobody happy, happy new year, and a good to see everybody, and I just want to say thank

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you for this opportunity to kind of fill in and help with the transition to have a new

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humanitarian job come in.

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I'm excited to have them come in.

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It's going to be a big benefit to the sea, and I see a lot of things come out of that.

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So a couple things that I want to bring up is that we have over 10 inches of rain during

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during this break and we were quite busy.

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The good thing was that no major issues to report, but I do want to thank, of course,

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our maintenance department, our staff, they were out here working on Christmas Eve, Christmas

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Day, and New Year's Eve kind of making sure the roads are clear and monitoring the storms

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and doing a good really good job with that.

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So it's just really you want to thank them for actually taking time during that during holiday break to do that

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But unfortunately the rains did have some impact on the skate park. There's a lot of water and

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It's it's it's causing some issues with the construction

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The contractors working and trying to make sure that all of the ground is kind of get dry and so you get back to working again

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And so we're working with them to come up with a date one you can have that completed.

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So thank the rain for this little delay.

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There's several rebuild meetings that are occurring this next couple of weeks.

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We have the geotech workshop this Wednesday from 11 to 1.

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There's design professional workshops on Thursday from 11 to 1230.

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and a FEMA Fire Rebuild Workshop on January 21st, from 9 to noon.

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I also want to point out on February 4th at 10 a.m., there's going to be a ribbon cutting for the PCH signal synchronization project.

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We're going to kick that project off or finish that project off and have a nice little ceremony on kind of completing that project.

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But I also want to point out and congratulate Public Works.

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And I'm a little biased because I'm up here, I can do that, right?

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But congratulate Public Works on receiving the Project of the Year Award for

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the PCH Signal Sync Project.

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They applied for a transportation project and from APWA from Terracan,

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and got that. So that's a big accomplishment. After that, they'll be applying for the national project of the year at APWA conference, which is in Houston.

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The single seat, single seat. Is that project now working?

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There's a few things that we're trying to get fixed. As you remember, we had that accident at the corner of Civic Center and PCH.

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I may wipe away in PCH that

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Knocked out that signal controller. That needs to be replaced. And once that is, then it will be fully, fully functioned. Right now, it's partially functional. It's kind of working. But once that's done, once that's replaced, it'll be functional. Okay. Okay.

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Then, yeah, lastly, one day, January 19th, City Hall be closed for Martin Luther King day. And now I'm going to hand it over to director Bundy, so she can give an update on

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by Rebels.

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I ask a couple clarifying questions first.

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Go ahead.

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The FEMA workshop, I believe that's virtual, not in person.

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Yes, that is correct.

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The FEMA workshop will be virtual.

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Okay.

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So all the coastal properties that are out there in the world and then the people who are associated

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with coastal properties make sure you tune into that.

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I think it's going to be really important.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Cancel, happy new year, giving you a brief out day on our fire rebuilds.

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Today we have received 209 planning applications submitted, 147 of them have received an approval.

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We are currently working with 43 families on their building plan check, and we have issue 22 permits, which are in their construction.

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We have also issued 491 total permits on the affected area, this constitute repairs,

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removals, new structures, and that is the numbers that we have.

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Wanted to share very briefly with the Council and with the community.

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What is going on on beachfront properties that are gotten approval back in the beginning

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of Agas. It was currently our pouring foundation systems. The Seawalls has been on place.

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And then a big rock. We have a property that is already framing. So I just wanted to

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share that with the Council and with the community and also just a brief update. We continue

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working on a streamlining our processes.

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The next one to qualify for the streamlining is the commercial tenant improvement projects.

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This will signify that the eligible tenants projects can be reviewed in and over the

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counter with planning and building safety staff.

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The eligibility for this will be an interior duration only for offices and small retails

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under 3,000, and so that is currently something that we already are doing, and that concludes

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my presentation. Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much. I'm excited about the Streamland commercial tenant improvements.

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I didn't hear restaurants or cafes. Are they included?

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There are boutiques and offices.

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Yeah. This does not include

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And that's why we keep it very, very small, small interior scope of work.

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Yeah, that's something that we can do over the counter.

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If it's a minor alteration and any B occupancy and M occupancy.

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Some restaurants that have less than 50 occupants are considered B occupancy.

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So that will also encapsulate any restrooms that are on OCAFES that falls under that description.

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Okay.

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What is B stands for?

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FES offices.

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It's under the building courtesy finest offices and it's more businesses.

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One of the exemptions is that if they had less than 50 occupancies for a restaurant, it can

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be classified as a B occupancy.

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That's great.

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I mean, it's small.

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So let's say somebody needs a sign. This is over the counter. Yes. Oh, great. Yes.

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Mopsing type. Yes, and also they can also we have a in our design portal. They can

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submit electronically also to set up the appointment. If they want to do it virtually, we can

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do virtually. Oh, in person. Great. Thank you. I think the most important thing for no matter

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what it is that you're doing have a basic site plan showing where everything's going to be located

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and where entrance and exits are that helps facilitate approvals. Those are a lot of the

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interior circulation plan is a lot of what the code is looking for. I'm not.

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That is correct, my dear. Are the means of egresses is something that even when we have an existing

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In property, we are going to be asking on the means of regard of safety remains as required for the fire code and the building and safety code.

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Yeah, you know, we keep hearing in the press that the City of Los Angeles has 1200 building permits for homes, for structures destroyed in the fire, which sounds incredible to me whenever I hear it.

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And I know you've said that there's some issue of transparency, could you talk about that a little bit?

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Yes, our understanding is that total amount of permits is the effect the permits issue on the affected area.

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We do have the same number, the same lines that we are capturing our numbers.

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For us it's 491 total permits, building permits have been issued on that affected burn area,

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which constitute damages, repairs, new single-family residents that we have issue.

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So everybody is encapsulating all of the total permits in one number.

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Right, and I'm familiar with the fact that we disclose both.

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We state how many permits have been issued for everything and anything that needs to be done after the fire,

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as well as we are very straightforward about the fact that there are only,

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what's the number for actual permits to build a house that was burned to the ground?

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That is correct. For us, it was 22.

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Transparency, yeah, we have 22.

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Okay. Do we have any idea what the City of Los Angeles has issued in terms of that comparable permit that we're talking about?

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I have been asking, they're building official, they haven't given me that number. I do not have it.

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I certainly can share with you that the incorporated county area has only issue 9 permits.

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That's right.

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And I think that what's happening is that we, the City of Malibu, and the unincorporated area are being

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diserved by the City of Los Angeles's fabrication of what it's doing.

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I would actually like the City Council to authorize us to, by any means necessary,

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including the Freedom Information Act, request, or California Information Act, of course,

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to find out from the City of Los Angeles what they truly are doing.

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Because they're hurting the morale of the residents who are working very hard and our staff who are working very hard to get people building permits to build their homes by lying basically that they have 1200 homes being reconstructed, which is just it's just completely untrue.

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So, could we do what we need to do to find out, including take legal action if necessary,

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to find out exactly what the City of Los Angeles really has issued for people to build a

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house back?

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We certainly can initiate that if it does the direction of council.

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I don't know that we can do a formal resolution, but I think a sense of the council is probably

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there.

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I certainly support it, and I think you're very much on target.

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They've got, what, 10 times the number of burns, burns in the policy that we do.

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And we don't know how many rebuilds I have, so we'd like to know how we're doing.

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You don't have an item on the agenda to give a direction on that, but

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if there is interest from the council, I'm sure staff can go out and

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bring information back to the city council and an item that's necessary to authorize.

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Well, it sounds like Yolanda has been working behind the scenes,

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That means trying to get that information it hasn't been able to.

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So I think what Mayor Proton-Sourci is suggesting is that we ratchet it up to a formal request.

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And so if that's something that we can just direct staff that we would like them to put in a-

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What I guess was consensus could bring this back as an item for next meeting where we can give direction,

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take a vote and give direction if we all agree to actually do a California information request if necessary of all the building permits.

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And so we can then go through the building permits and find out exactly what they're for so that the public will have a truthful understanding of what's going on.

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Well, I'm in favor of doing what you just said, but I think we can probably do the public records request, even before hand.

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I'm assuming that you can just help us get this information.

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She's probably trying the same thing.

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Well, you just need to get it from them.

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They're in the same boat we have.

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I was going to go with you.

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Yeah, okay.

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The problem is, you know, look, I'm never one to be worried about rocking the boat.

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I understand a lot of politicians don't want to rock the boat and accuse the City of Los Angeles

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of lying or put them to the trouble of telling the truth, but I don't care about that.

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I want to know what's going on.

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It should be a fairly easy number to attain given, yeah.

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They just won't tell it.

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So, if we have to, we might have to do a legal request, but so that's why if you're unable

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able to learn the answer informally by the time of our next meeting.

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I'd like to be on our agenda to take whatever legal action we need to take to find out formally.

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I think you have to assess that.

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A report on the information we're able to bring and then the ability for the council to take further action or

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give direction to the staff.

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Yeah, okay.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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And I want to commend you and the staff for everything you are doing and trying to do to increase the numbers in Malibu.

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So I just think, people in some sense, it took until about two-thirds of the way into the last year before Yolanda was empowered basically to start taking control because we still had the two separate departments and we were lacking stewardship at the top.

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And I'm impressed, by the way, things have been moving since Yolanda has been given that charge.

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And including with the streamlining of things that are completely outside the rebuild process and which keeps coming back to us month after month with new things, it's great, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anybody out there?

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Yeah, if you could put your chart back up there, I'd like for you to kind of give us a narrative of what you see as being barriers or the stumbling blocks for people to move forward.

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We've got roughly 700 homes that are destroyed right roughly at number because I keep seeing that number going all over the place.

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I've seen those 600 step to 700, but we've got a 200 or so planning review and we've got 43 and 22.

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What's holding people back in each one of those categories?

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The planning review and building plan check, what's keeping them from getting their plan checks?

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I mean, I'm here and everything from insurance to desire, I mean, what's your sense of what's going on?

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Thank you for this question.

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It's really hard to pinpoint exactly what's going on, but what I'm hearing a lot from the home owners is insurance, right?

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Insurance and also the number of requirements that the city has, meaning we are,

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We are per the California, per state of California, to require a set of plans that has all the structural calculations of the Title 24, or the Green Building Code requirements, or your civil plans, or your technical plans, your CWALS, your on-site weighted treatment systems, your FEMA regulations to make sure that also in some instances we have our coastal reports.

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So it's a layer after layer of state requirements that homeowners need to put together in order to comment through building a safety.

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So acknowledging the number of requirements that were not able to be flexed because these are building and safety requirements.

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That is one of the biggest things.

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also being a regional disaster, the number of design professionals that are working with the different jurisdictions and the different owners is limited and sometimes we need to wait for them to respond or for them to complete the information that is required.

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So I think one of them is that, right? And then that financial portion of it.

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And that's in the 4322 on the building in safety.

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Is there, since we're on that segment, is there anything that you would like to see change that we could do?

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I realize the legal side, it's got to be the way it is.

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But is there anything we can be doing?

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Yes, continue meeting one-on-one with the design professions.

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That is helping out.

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Like I mentioned, I've been coming in every Friday to meet with the homeowners or the design professionals and we're working with right now with five families to get them approves.

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During the holidays, we had a few coming in and meet with us, but I felt that a lot of our design professionals also took time off.

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So, I think we are regaining that momentum again,

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also to add through all of this, the storms,

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even if we issued two more permits,

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because of the storms, they would not be able to start, right?

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So, that is, what can we do more?

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I think it's the one and one with the design professionals

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and the families to get them through a point

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where the plans are completed and give them an upper permit.

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that is the number one thing that we need to do more.

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And what I want to see more is having those 43 get a permit.

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So what are we working by now this week is staff is going through all of those properties

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43 that we are in the review and highlighting the ones that we have seen twice.

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So we can set up meetings with those families and those design professionals to move those projects.

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Thanks.

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Okay. Sometimes people are, think of a project has many things that they need to work on. We are. We're meeting, okay, let's meet with your architect. Let's get all the science or the architect done. Okay, it's done. Let's meet with your civil. Let's take all of that. Okay, that is done. So we're taking portion by portion so we can move things along in order to help expedite it.

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As far as the 209 that are on the planning submittals, we still have those almost 300 homes that need to come in for the planning department to start reviewing it, and we have not seen that.

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We're going to continue doing the like our interim city manager to mention the community

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meetings because those are very critical communication and our website and also for us

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to continue working with the design professionals.

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One thing that is happening on Wednesday, digital technical guidelines for fire rebels are we're

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We're going to have amendments to it to make it more clear and simple.

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So those are being presented on Wednesday.

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On Thursday, we're having another meeting with the design professionals to share that information.

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And also to us, how can we help you move your project moving forward?

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There's a lot to do.

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There's a lot, a lot to do.

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I know in our discussions a little quick conversation I know for you it's one agenda at a time each house each family is one agenda

442
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:50,000
So and I echo what Bruce said my gosh, I don't know what we'd be doing with that you and I don't know what we'd be doing with that

443
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,420
your team and I see them in action you walk in the door you see them talking to people it's a one-on-one

444
00:46:56,420 --> 00:47:03,700
conversation and I'm really proud that you're doing that. Thank you and a giant as a whole city effort and

445
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:10,780
and we're committed and I know that there's still a lot of challenges and continue working with

446
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:16,000
the community and every family to feel that we are there for each one of the families that's

447
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,540
the most critical thing for all of us. I can't speak for the entire council but I know for me

448
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:26,540
anything you need anything your team needs will be glad to try and get it for you okay thank you sir

449
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,680
can we get the chart back up again what

450
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,570
is going on okay so are those numbers cumulative

451
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:49,110
They're all separate, you'd have to add them all up to have the total that somebody has filed some kind of an application at this point, or is there overlap?

452
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:57,130
For the first line, right, for the planning phase, 62 under planning reviews.

453
00:47:57,370 --> 00:48:06,430
So 62 homes are going through the planning and item and phase, which is, are they building like for like? Do they need a little bit more?

454
00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:10,930
So those are the ones, 147 are separate.

455
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:14,930
So those 147 are ready to obtain the planning approval.

456
00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:20,750
Okay, so basically you add all of these up, and that's how many have at least started the process.

457
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:23,330
On the upper portion of it, yes.

458
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:30,090
So 62 plus 147, that's the 209 that I was talking to you about.

459
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:30,430
Okay.

460
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:33,270
There's two parts to every rebuild.

461
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:38,650
your planning phase and your building in safety phase, which is your construction

462
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:39,050
plan?

463
00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:39,410
Right.

464
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:40,050
So I understand that.

465
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:44,550
So the 65 are part of the 209.

466
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:45,030
Yes.

467
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:45,550
Okay.

468
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:51,470
And look, it's my understanding, and we'll be talking about this later, so I understand

469
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:51,590
you.

470
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:58,670
We've done pretty much what we can legally to streamline the planning phase.

471
00:48:58,670 --> 00:49:06,330
We've, you know, we've had the governor through his good grace has adopted the executive orders and then we've mended municipal code.

472
00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:11,470
We've pretty much streamlined as much as we can the planning aspect of it.

473
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:21,930
The building aspect of it, I know you're working hard to try to get people through the building part but it's a state code and we have less flexibility or actually we have no, we have next to no flexibility.

474
00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:32,390
or are there more things we have the power to do below the line on the building part of this or are we just constrained by the building code full stop?

475
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:38,810
These state regulations are pretty much black and white and so there's no flexibility for that.

476
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:51,910
I think one of the things that we need to continue reminding the community is that the governor did allow every home to be rebuilt under the previous building.

477
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:57,810
code. Knowing that we are going to have a code change and there's a lot more restrictions

478
00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:04,050
on the new code. The governor says, okay, let's continue building under the 2023 code.

479
00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:09,790
Separate from fire? Separate for fire, yes. So that is one thing that sometimes I feel

480
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:17,190
people still have that question. And so that is also a benefit because a lot of design

481
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:20,270
and professions are used to those that code right now, right?

482
00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:23,310
That they have been working with it for three years.

483
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:24,890
They know what to expect.

484
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:29,170
They know the type of things, calculations they need to give us.

485
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:31,310
So that is good.

486
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:36,390
Okay, this question of the 65 below the line.

487
00:50:36,910 --> 00:50:39,030
Do we know how many of them are owners

488
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:41,930
that lost their home versus people who acquired the property?

489
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:45,370
All of them are homeowners that, yes.

490
00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:49,890
Yes, those 22 that you have approval, absolutely.

491
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:56,970
Those are your homeowners that they want, jump in and are really involved on coming in

492
00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:58,090
and asking questions.

493
00:50:58,410 --> 00:50:59,530
Also those 43.

494
00:50:59,850 --> 00:51:00,070
Excellent.

495
00:51:00,430 --> 00:51:00,570
Okay.

496
00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:01,210
Thank you.

497
00:51:01,370 --> 00:51:01,550
Yes.

498
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:03,830
Thank you.

499
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:04,850
Again for all of this.

500
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:06,110
I was curious.

501
00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:13,150
Do you guys have like a timeline so for the 43 in building plan check, let's say these

502
00:51:13,150 --> 00:51:19,710
Is there some sort of mechanism in which you're able to track where everything is and then

503
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:20,670
illustrate that?

504
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:26,770
So it's like 15 days or we're a little bit more nuanced I'm looking for.

505
00:51:27,550 --> 00:51:33,190
Yeah, we have a database that it will show the turnaround times.

506
00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:41,290
I do have to admit that through the change of consultants in November and in October we did

507
00:51:41,290 --> 00:51:49,750
have a big hiccup because we needed to own more a new technical coastal engineering

508
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:56,530
environmental health companies so that took a little bit of hiccup on getting everything

509
00:51:56,530 --> 00:52:04,010
up to speed on what we were committed to do that reveals to our first review we were committed

510
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:08,970
to do a 10 working days, and I can honestly tell you in front of

511
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:18,850
this, that due to those changes in companies, we were not able to stay with the 10 day turnaround time.

512
00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:25,750
And that's why it was so important for us to meet with the architects and

513
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:31,970
the families and start working on the items that have been completed to facilitate

514
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:34,170
eight faster turnaround time.

515
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:34,970
Great.

516
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:39,690
The second submetals is a five-day turnaround time reviews.

517
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:42,730
Five days, so the second submetal,

518
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:47,500
that's amazing.

519
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:54,800
Yeah, but also think about it, we receive a project,

520
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:58,640
we review it, and then we give it corrections within days,

521
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,980
then does corrections go back to the design team.

522
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:06,040
Sometimes it takes two weeks, three weeks, it depends.

523
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:22,880
Right. The city has a commitment, and then once it's out of the city's hands, if it goes to the designer, it's out of your hands, and it's in their hands, and then the owner has to deal with their design team, which can take three months, but at least the city is not being scapegoated for taking too much time is what I'm trying to avoid.

524
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,900
Yeah, and we still have a lot of work to do on a stain with those 10 days turnaround time

525
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:36,220
I need to acknowledge that in and with you because he has been difficult to stay with those 10 10 turn around times

526
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:40,360
Right, but that is the effort to continue working on that great

527
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,740
So there is a goal for that now that the hiccups have kind of been sorted

528
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:50,360
Hopefully, you know with the change of consultants a 10-day goal is where we're working. Yes

529
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,620
Yes, yes, terrific.

530
00:53:52,260 --> 00:54:01,820
And then I have a second question over the holiday, and I got a bunch of emails from a gentleman about an update with rebuild rights.

531
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:09,900
I really need clarity on, I think, and I don't even know how to explain this, but the original owner,

532
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:13,170
good,

533
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:22,270
being the authorized, it's Abe Oesman, does anybody know what I'm talking about?

534
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:29,830
Yeah, I think the question I think was there's the right for light-for-light rebuilds flow with the property sent to question

535
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:33,670
It's more complex. I have this something to talk about the

536
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:37,590
Personal number comments and actually ask for consensus for something on that, okay

537
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:40,270
I think it's premature to do that at this point. No problem

538
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:45,690
Oh, I don't know what the proper time is. I just want to make sure I don't forget because I end up forgetting and then I'm like

539
00:54:46,070 --> 00:54:51,770
You'll be around later the meeting first talk about it. I'll be here. Yeah, okay great. Well wait. I'm cool with that

540
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:55,350
Because I think that's more substantive than just asking questions at this point.

541
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:55,690
Perfect.

542
00:54:58,350 --> 00:54:59,810
Any more questions for you, London?

543
00:55:01,570 --> 00:55:06,490
And just, I just want to clarify, so that 10 days turnaround is not a guarantee of an

544
00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:06,870
approval.

545
00:55:07,070 --> 00:55:12,290
That's a 10 days to identify things that don't comply with the minimum code standards for

546
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:12,930
the building code.

547
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:14,150
That is correct.

548
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:19,670
This is what we call the first review in which usually we issue corrections.

549
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:37,490
And then on the second round that five days, you're hoping that you're able to do it so much faster because the design professional has addressed those deficiencies to meet the minimum code standards and you're doing a quality check to confirm that.

550
00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:38,630
Yes, that is correct.

551
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:54,250
Yeah, probably more of a clarification, I know early on when we were talking about turnaround times and so forth, there was a concern that additional identified items would appear every time they came through the cycle.

552
00:55:56,130 --> 00:55:59,390
I know that's happened to me when I was building my house 25 years ago.

553
00:55:59,390 --> 00:56:02,570
So are we handling that, how are we handling that?

554
00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:10,190
We're trying to handle that with the consultants having consistency on what they're reviewing.

555
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:21,710
We're also trying to handle that when we, when they're resummeting, when we're meeting in person with those design professionals, we're able to capture.

556
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:24,270
Why do they give you the other correction?

557
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:25,410
That shouldn't be a correction.

558
00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:31,770
So those are being addressed as quality control when staff is meeting also with the homeowners

559
00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:33,090
in the design professionals.

560
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:38,190
And also that's what we have set up monthly meetings with the design professionals.

561
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:44,010
They started since September to start addressing all of those items, right?

562
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:46,590
What is that we need to do better as a city?

563
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:54,310
How can we help them get a better understanding or what is that is being done that we should

564
00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:54,970
not be doing?

565
00:56:54,970 --> 00:56:57,990
So, that is helping out also with that design professional.

566
00:56:58,310 --> 00:57:02,690
I guess I want to make sure that we're on a record with this, I'm going to try to hold you

567
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:09,130
to 100 percent, but we're not identifying new items in these cycles of reviews, is that correct?

568
00:57:09,550 --> 00:57:13,610
So, you get the first round and unless it's a correction on something that you corrected,

569
00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:18,490
we're calling it down. That is what it should be.

570
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:18,830
Right.

571
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:24,370
Sometimes it occurs that on the first submittal information was not given completely.

572
00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:29,190
Let's say, and I have seen this and I'm just can give you an example.

573
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:35,670
A homeowners came in, they wanted to put a poll, but they wanted a poll to be in a separate

574
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:36,250
submittal.

575
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:43,050
So on the first review, with the structural calculations for the poll was not submitted.

576
00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:50,210
But then through a conversation with the homeowner, we figure out what is best to have the

577
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:52,950
hopper met moving forward instead of separating it.

578
00:57:53,890 --> 00:57:59,970
So they submitted the structural calculations for the pool and the second submittal.

579
00:58:00,350 --> 00:58:04,230
So those are new corrections because we never got to see it at the beginning.

580
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:09,600
I have one more set of questions.

581
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:16,880
So, I'm still interested in these apples to orange as comparisons that we're getting.

582
00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:24,680
So, there was also a press release this week by Cal Matters that was, it's puffed as far as I'm concerned.

583
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:31,860
But it says that more than 2600 residential permits had been issued between the palisades in Al-Tedena,

584
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:38,360
which is roughly one in every five of nearly 13,000 homes lost.

585
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,820
That's a direct quote.

586
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Two questions if you know the answer.

587
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,920
The first is, are they including Malibu when they say

588
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,560
Al-Tedina and Palisades?

589
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:48,040
Are they just up at the fires?

590
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,940
Are they talking about the areas Al-Tedina and Palisades?

591
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:55,420
I'm going to share what source you are mentioning that.

592
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:05,020
Usually, yes, when they depressed us to a report on numbers,

593
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:12,080
They try to include Malibu under the policy's incident, but I'm not sure specifically on this.

594
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:14,000
Yes, I'm not sure, because it's an odd formulation.

595
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:20,640
They don't say eaten in palisades fires, they say Al-Tedena and palisades, which leads me to the other

596
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,160
question, they say residential permits.

597
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:25,500
Do we know what that means?

598
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,660
Because I could be looking at this and think that while we've issued 147 permits, planning

599
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:34,460
permits, we haven't issued building permits yet.

600
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:37,660
Do we know what they mean by residential permits?

601
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:47,300
Not knowing the source is hard for me to tell you, but when somebody says residential permits that you shoot residential building permits.

602
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:51,340
But again, I don't know the source of what you're looking at.

603
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:51,780
Okay.

604
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:59,520
But that could go to just like we're reporting that we have issues 491 permits that include repairs.

605
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:22,900
Other things, which is separate from 22 homes. So it kind of sounds like depends on the bucket that you're trying to fill. You know, do you want to just say you've issued almost 500 permits, which we have, but that doesn't get to the heart of what people really want, which is the houses. Every time I try to figure out what's going on elsewhere, it's just it's opaque. Yes.

606
01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:28,620
Anything else? See, you have been quiet.

607
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,320
A lot of the thank you very much for what you've been doing.

608
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,380
You're doing a heck of a job.

609
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,180
Thank you, sir.

610
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:38,320
The only thing I would just recommend, you know, the process of the design professionals

611
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,080
taking some time before they give back to you in terms of once you've given the material.

612
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,820
My experience over the years I've been doing this stuff.

613
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,260
I mean, I get a call from a customer, a resident, who says, I'm being held up and we chase it

614
01:00:51,260 --> 01:00:51,580
down.

615
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:55,200
It's their design professional who's holding up and are getting stuff back to us.

616
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,200
So the more you can make that visible for the people who are building their homes, I think

617
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,020
it will help us because they don't know who to blame, right?

618
01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:06,880
And my hope is that we don't blame each other.

619
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:08,620
My hope is that we work together.

620
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:12,520
And the really is critical on my design professions.

621
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:15,980
And even the contractors that we are on that same page.

622
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:18,720
There's so much work for us to do ahead.

623
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,820
And some of the architects that got an approval, I'm asking them.

624
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:26,460
You know, we already have a template.

625
01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:29,840
Use this template for the next format that you're coming in,

626
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,640
that way you don't get a lot of corrections,

627
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:35,720
but it does, we cannot do this by ourselves

628
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,640
and our deaf families really need us.

629
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,500
So I, yes, it's a big task ahead of us.

630
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:46,720
All right, we're eating up all that time.

631
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Do you have any more?

632
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,960
Okay, I'm guessing Sergeant Sotalin.

633
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,760
one. One is the point in the meeting when we do council consensus to move in agenda item

634
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,400
forward. To request to 8 a to go in the beginning of the.

635
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:12,100
Oh, well, we adopted that we can when we finish up this and perfect. Let's get this done.

636
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:16,860
See where we're how close we are to 630 and then we can talk about reordering the item.

637
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:17,400
Thanks.

638
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:21,900
What's been going on the last few weeks?

639
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:38,540
which is good, it's a lot of rain. Happy New Year City Council, we are in 2026 which means I have December's Crime Statistics which will give us the year end total and we can compare that to the previous years.

640
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:49,600
So, in December there was a total of 16 reported part one crimes and if we remember

641
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:55,160
part one crimes are homicides, rapes, aggravated assaults, robbery, burglary,

642
01:02:55,300 --> 01:03:00,340
larceny, grand theft auto, and arson, so some of the serious crimes, so there was only 16 reported.

643
01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:07,140
And that brings the total for 2025 to 261 for the entire year.

644
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:14,480
This compares with 440 for the previous year of 2024, so that's a 40.7% decrease.

645
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:18,900
Now you could say that the policy has fire at something to do with that, and that's

646
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:25,840
certainly yes, but the five year change, the five year change from 2020, the average

647
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:31,780
is a 35% decrease, so it's in the same bulk arc, so we are certainly moving in the right

648
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:33,520
direction, so I'm very happy to see that.

649
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:50,820
We also have the traffic collision information for the entire year and so that falls the same trend so there was a year-to-date for 2025, there was 176 total collisions in the city.

650
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:58,320
But the year prior, there was 327, so that's a 46% decrease which is great to see.

651
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:07,260
More significantly, injury collisions dropped 41%, so there was 59 for 2025, compared with 100 for the year prior.

652
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:17,240
DUI collisions were also down. There was a total of three last year. This compares with 11 from the year prior.

653
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:24,180
So all in all, people seem to be slowing down. Obviously, the construction has something to do with that.

654
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:30,820
but it shows that slower speeds mean fewer collisions and fewer people being injured.

655
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,640
So shocking to think that, but that is the case.

656
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:44,240
So moving forward to 2026, so the Sheriff's Department has a couple different goals.

657
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,880
The first one, we're going to keep up with PCH safety.

658
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,940
In terms of fatal collisions, there was only one fatal collision last year and that was

659
01:04:54,940 --> 01:04:56,880
not on PCH, that was on Decker Canyon.

660
01:04:57,540 --> 01:05:03,240
So there were zero fatal collisions on PCH last year, which is what we are hoping for

661
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:03,740
every year.

662
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:08,100
So we're going to keep on pressing on PCH safety.

663
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:13,080
So with that, speed cameras are hopefully going to be installed this year.

664
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,320
There's a roundabout project that the city and the Cal Trans and Sheriff's Department

665
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:25,140
our collaborating on. We are also planning to do a GUI checkpoint in the near future.

666
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:32,460
We're going to continue with enforcement on PCH, our motors, and the city is

667
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,720
graciously providing extra funding for additional traffic enforcement. So we are going to continue that

668
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:45,240
and continue to enforce the traffic laws and keep everybody safe on PCH.

669
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:54,020
Another point that we are going to focus on in 2026 is public safety during the recovery.

670
01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:56,600
And by that I mean homeowner's properties.

671
01:05:57,540 --> 01:06:02,660
We want people to rebuild and be secure in their property, leaving construction equipment,

672
01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,680
which is very, very expensive, construction material.

673
01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:13,920
We want that to be secure, and we want people to not have to worry about another tragedy

674
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,580
to be on top of what they already went through.

675
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:19,420
With that, our camera registry,

676
01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:21,060
we want to push that out again

677
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:22,780
because that will be very beneficial

678
01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:26,840
to synchronize with our real-time watch center.

679
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:29,000
People can integrate their cameras

680
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,280
and that way we can have real-time access if they so choose

681
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,260
or we'll be able to do follow-up investigation.

682
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,760
So our camera registry is vital for that.

683
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:48,100
But we are also going to focus on the homeless population in Malibu has and continue collaborating

684
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:52,380
with our host team and our outreach teams for housing for the homeless population.

685
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:59,000
And we're going to continue enforcement of all applicable laws as it relates to the homeless.

686
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,440
So we are still on a downtrend on the homeless population and we want that to continue.

687
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,120
And hopefully, 2026 will be much better in 2025.

688
01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:11,220
So, I am available if anyone has questions.

689
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,180
Anyone have any questions for the sergeant?

690
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:15,900
Hi, thank you.

691
01:07:16,060 --> 01:07:16,660
Okay, go ahead.

692
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:17,500
Thank you.

693
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,740
Do you have a substation update?

694
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:30,440
So, the latest update is the City Council approved the radio tower, which is one of the major hurdles to the substation.

695
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:38,520
The county can now start the certificate of occupancy and accepting ownership of that.

696
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:45,960
The lead time that I had heard from our internal services division on getting that tower

697
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,500
installed with all the proper equipment is 10 to 12 months lead time.

698
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:58,300
So that's timeline we're looking at and hopefully this time next year we'll have better clarity

699
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:05,460
on when we can start moving it. Thank you. I was also wondering if you had an update on the

700
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:12,980
machete man that I think I heard about over the weekend. There was a man with a machete

701
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:20,380
at Ralph's or Malibu Road. You didn't hear about that? Oh it was on my citizen hat. So I've been

702
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:27,760
on bereavement leaves so I don't have the latest information but I will look into that for you.

703
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:28,180
Thank you.

704
01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:30,360
Yeah, it seems like that's the weapon of choice

705
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,060
that I keep hearing about here.

706
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:34,740
I hope he's brush clearing with his machete,

707
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,440
but do you also have any,

708
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:40,560
like information on parking citations

709
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,100
around the east winding way area for the last two weeks?

710
01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:45,240
I know that the city has their own parking.

711
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:49,080
I wasn't sure if the sheriff's also have some data on that.

712
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:50,100
We do.

713
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,060
So I don't have specifically for that area,

714
01:08:55,060 --> 01:09:05,480
but parking violations and citations in general, we issued 44,000 and change last year.

715
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,520
44,000?

716
01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:11,840
Just the deputies or came out of between all.

717
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:19,480
That's a good question, I don't know if this includes the city, parking enforcement but the total

718
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:21,800
on here is 44,439.

719
01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:23,480
In the city limits of mail?

720
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:24,080
Correct.

721
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,980
I've been looking to wow more about that.

722
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,340
That's why we hired parking enforcement in here.

723
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,940
Yeah, I think we got a report from the parking enforcement, like buy-on.

724
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:35,280
I don't know.

725
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:37,100
Do you want Susie to?

726
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:38,300
Oh, maybe I'll ask.

727
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:39,800
I'll put it in my council comments.

728
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:42,400
I'll ask you about that after.

729
01:09:43,220 --> 01:09:47,720
So 44,000 tickets in the city of Malibu for 2025.

730
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:47,800
Why?

731
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,960
It seems like a lot, but when you put it in perspective, I mean, Malibu sees millions

732
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,900
of people in the summertime.

733
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:55,540
Yeah.

734
01:09:55,860 --> 01:10:00,880
So, that's the tip of the iceberg of the actual amount of vehicles that come to the

735
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,220
city.

736
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:06,960
I was also curious why, do we get how many DUI checkpoints a year?

737
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:08,840
Is it one, two, four, and then?

738
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:14,080
I believe through the OTS grant, there's two that are funded.

739
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:24,300
Okay. Okay. Oh, and you have been doing work with your right of entries, your ROEs, right?

740
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:28,820
Do you mean the letter of agency? Well, yeah, the letter of agency is exact. Correct. Yeah.

741
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:34,400
I know that if you're trying to help with crime on people's properties, they also have to have that

742
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:41,580
letter. Is that correct? It would be very beneficial. We saw massive influx of them submitted to us.

743
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:48,820
We originally did the I sign my yeah the public outreach on it. Okay, that's it. Thank you

744
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,060
By way on those letter of agency's they do expires that correct

745
01:10:55,060 --> 01:11:00,640
So you gotta do it every I believe they're every two years every two years. Yeah, okay, just a reminder for that

746
01:11:01,180 --> 01:11:08,600
You left out when I thought it was the most significant thing your two deputies that decided to go swimming on December 19th

747
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,000
I hope there's recognition in the future for that.

748
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,060
There will be.

749
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,760
Can we talk here in the story of what occurred?

750
01:11:25,860 --> 01:11:26,920
Well, why don't you tell us.

751
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:27,580
Sure, so.

752
01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:32,440
I don't have the exact date, but I know it was several

753
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:33,220
weeks ago.

754
01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:38,580
Paragliders were disoriented in the fog and crashed into the

755
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:43,920
in the ocean several hundred feet off the shore and the deputies responded and

756
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:49,360
immediately saw them in peril stuck in their their cords from the paragliders

757
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,940
or from the apparatus and the hesitation took off all their gear took their

758
01:11:54,940 --> 01:12:00,520
boots off and went in in full uniform and swam out and cut the paragcords off

759
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:06,520
from around them and according to the deputies that they were in shock and they

760
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,980
They were trying to pull the deputies under to try and get out of the water and deputies

761
01:12:10,980 --> 01:12:14,700
did a great job and rescued them and they are real heroes.

762
01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:22,760
So we told the sheriff about it when he was here last week and he was very, very happy

763
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,300
to meet them in person.

764
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,140
So I'm sure there will be some recognition coming that way.

765
01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:29,480
One of the guys was here last week.

766
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,300
He was.

767
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:31,500
He got with the big mustache.

768
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:32,280
Yeah, right.

769
01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:33,140
Oh, that was him.

770
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:36,760
And he's actually one of the special assignment deputies from Alvuk, so yeah.

771
01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:43,720
And that water was about 60, low 60 degrees temperature and they were in their duty uniforms.

772
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:49,720
Yeah, as somebody that took a lifeguard training, I can only imagine how those people struggled

773
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:56,480
to try and push the deputies down so they could get up. It's an amazing story and they truly are

774
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:56,560
I'm very happy to have you.

775
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:56,900
I'm very happy to have you.

776
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,120
What area am I with?

777
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,060
I'm not sure.

778
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:02,540
I don't want to.

779
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:03,260
I thought it was up by you.

780
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:05,180
I mean, by a point you and

781
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:05,660
it was up by you.

782
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:07,200
it was up by you.

783
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:07,680
I thought it was up by you.

784
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:07,900
I thought I heard.

785
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:08,580
Steve.

786
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:10,000
Good.

787
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,400
Anybody else?

788
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:12,900
Thank you.

789
01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:14,920
And thank you to all the first

790
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:15,720
responders out there.

791
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:17,020
Appreciate all the hard work.

792
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,320
And let's hear to it.

793
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:18,880
Happy New Year.

794
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:19,860
Happy New Year.

795
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:26,680
I just wanted to really quickly follow up on Hanlon's question about the parking

796
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:26,920
enforcement.

797
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:32,300
I just want to let you know that we are right now planning to bring back a comprehensive

798
01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:37,080
report on how the whole parking enforcement program has gone for the last year and a half

799
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,500
because we'll be looking at renewing the contract.

800
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,840
So I think if you await a little bit, we'll be ready to give you a full report and give you

801
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,080
all the details you want at that time.

802
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:54,400
That would be super are there like specific location specific like hotspots? Do you think that we can have that information? Yes

803
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,420
Fantastic. Thank you so much. Okay,

804
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:04,160
so we filled up all the way to 6.30

805
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,360
Before we begin our agenda, does anybody want to rest your break?

806
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:15,480
Okay, I would like to ask to move item 888 to the beginning of our meet

807
01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:22,240
So do you want to do public comment first or do you want to do that and then come back to for a?

808
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:29,060
I think public comment, but then as far as we go into our program for the evening, 8A is the beginning.

809
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,620
So do 4A, and then move 8A before 5A?

810
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:35,000
What's 5A?

811
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:38,760
There, so we have public comment is item 4A.

812
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:46,980
We have council member comment is item 4B, and then on the agenda, the first item for discussion is item 5A, the building standards code.

813
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:53,120
So would you like to hear 8a after public comment, after council comments, or after the building

814
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:53,320
been cut.

815
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:55,840
But if your council come up.

816
01:14:56,060 --> 01:14:57,000
After council come up.

817
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:57,300
Okay.

818
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,900
So do 4 a and 4 b, then 8 a.

819
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,200
Okay. Then the remainder of the agenda. Yeah. Okay. Second. Second. Second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Okay. So 4a. Do we have any raised hands for a general public comment?

820
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:30,890
There are 4 raised hands. Okay. So let's give them 30 seconds and then hold it in. And I have all my 4a comments in. So no more additional 4a comments. And you're starting us off.

821
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:35,350
Followed by Michelle Shane, followed by Mrs. Marissa Coughlin.

822
01:15:45,330 --> 01:15:46,070
And Kamarask.

823
01:15:46,270 --> 01:15:53,530
There's a lot of floors in my world, 44,000 tickets, 4444 State News, here we are.

824
01:15:54,210 --> 01:16:00,810
And so this is a picture of a radio at the Tower of Power at Santa Monica.

825
01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:06,450
That's a handheld radio putting out approximately four to five watts, probably four watts.

826
01:16:06,450 --> 01:16:16,930
And I was able to transmit all the way from pass the road list down to the Mexican border and to Las Vegas with that radio.

827
01:16:17,610 --> 01:16:18,690
Both sides of the hill.

828
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:25,010
And I did copy Mr. Stewart, Councilman Stewart and Helen, you know all about it.

829
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:34,270
So I don't understand why we don't make this a priority over these other, well, it'll dot out projects.

830
01:16:34,270 --> 01:16:37,810
This one works, and we've been working very hard.

831
01:16:38,230 --> 01:16:39,470
Can I please have a next slide?

832
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:45,650
This is a license, and if you look closely, it says for the prevention of,

833
01:16:46,490 --> 01:16:52,950
it's for the fire watch for high fire danger areas issued by the Federal Communications Commission.

834
01:16:53,610 --> 01:17:00,770
This license is a gift to the city of Malibu, not the government of Malibu, a nonprofit within Malibu.

835
01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:01,810
Next, please.

836
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:10,050
This is where you can listen to any radio transmission around the globe and the universe

837
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:18,590
from Malibu. It's Malibu Public Safety on the scanner, and this is available 24-7. So,

838
01:17:18,710 --> 01:17:24,450
any communication you make on this radio can be heard here, unencrypted in the clear.

839
01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:32,130
next, please. This is a list of frequencies used by another community 50 miles away from here.

840
01:17:33,010 --> 01:17:40,830
This is their fire watch. They have never burned unlike Malibu and the palaces. Why? Because they

841
01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:52,530
care. So next, please. That's the last one. I'll back to me, please. So, me? No?

842
01:17:56,860 --> 01:18:06,880
Hello, Billor. This is a radio. I just communicated this morning on a similar radio from my bedroom, which is what?

843
01:18:07,420 --> 01:18:21,580
Or they live, anyway, a paradise cove, whatever it is. But up there, I transmitted on my other radio 50 miles from here to the community 50 miles from here on a handheld radio.

844
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:25,420
So it's kind of why we're advocating to put something up on Catalina.

845
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,480
And with all due respect to this sheriff,

846
01:18:29,740 --> 01:18:33,080
a handheld radio works just fine at the Santa Monica College.

847
01:18:33,460 --> 01:18:35,320
To wait a year for that is absurd.

848
01:18:36,180 --> 01:18:37,340
To have your tower installed.

849
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,520
You know, I support the tower, but not where it's at.

850
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,880
And it kind of doesn't look too safe to me.

851
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:45,920
Tone bolts holding it down.

852
01:18:46,820 --> 01:18:48,380
Perhaps this should be revisited.

853
01:18:49,020 --> 01:18:50,480
But thank you very much.

854
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,580
Thank you.

855
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:52,560
Appreciate it.

856
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,000
I'm okay.

857
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:53,760
Michelle, say.

858
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:54,460
I'm being changed.

859
01:18:54,820 --> 01:18:57,760
Followed by Marissa, followed by Brian Merrick.

860
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:06,090
New year?

861
01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:07,790
Happy New Year.

862
01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:09,890
Good evening, City Council.

863
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:16,850
This City Council has mandated a state of emergency on PCH per over a year.

864
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:20,850
Tonight I want to discuss how we can actually end it.

865
01:19:21,970 --> 01:19:23,630
The solution is straightforward.

866
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:29,330
If you speed on PCH, you lose your license, and that's how we stop speeding.

867
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:38,790
On our PCH law enforcement has issued 5,100 citations so far in 2025.

868
01:19:39,610 --> 01:19:42,450
A 59% increase from 2023.

869
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:50,810
Across California in 2024, 18,000 drivers exceeded a hundred miles an hour.

870
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:55,910
They are choosing their thrills over our lives.

871
01:19:57,180 --> 01:20:00,370
Finds don't deter them only losing their license to.

872
01:20:01,790 --> 01:20:05,050
You're rolling your eyes and say, this is obvious.

873
01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:08,250
Come on Michelle, we all know this.

874
01:20:08,650 --> 01:20:09,550
How is this different?

875
01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:12,130
We now have a blueprint.

876
01:20:13,230 --> 01:20:19,770
The state's new fast pilot project uses administrative action to send high-speed tickets

877
01:20:19,770 --> 01:20:24,070
straight to the DMV for immediate license review.

878
01:20:24,570 --> 01:20:29,990
By passing the courts entirely, that's the key administrative action.

879
01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:36,690
No waiting for court dates, no delays, swift certain consequences.

880
01:20:37,470 --> 01:20:38,530
Here's my call.

881
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:41,110
Here's my call to action.

882
01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:46,490
Let's use our influence in Sacramento to expand fast for Malibu

883
01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:48,350
through administrative action.

884
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:55,690
If you go 25 miles per hour over the speed limit on PCH or double the speed limit, you will

885
01:20:55,690 --> 01:21:02,390
be subject to immediate DMV review and if you speed on PCH, you'll lose your license.

886
01:21:03,450 --> 01:21:12,690
In 1955, Connecticut did exactly this with outcomes with automatic suspension, speeding

887
01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:16,310
dropped 53 percent in one year.

888
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:24,660
We have the lobbyists, we have Senator Ben Allen, we have the global spotlight.

889
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:32,180
Let's stop just renewing an emergency and lead the state out of one.

890
01:21:32,740 --> 01:21:35,960
If your speed on PCH, you'll lose your license.

891
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:39,920
And that's the law we need to fight for.

892
01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:44,890
Thank you, Marissa, followed by Brian,

893
01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:48,130
followed by Kevin Keegan.

894
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,600
Happy new year, members of the council.

895
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,020
Some good news.

896
01:21:57,180 --> 01:22:01,900
I'm going to add two planning verifications approved today for the fire rebuilds.

897
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:03,720
I'm a success on that.

898
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:10,180
Something that did occur to me after all the years of community members here fighting for

899
01:22:10,180 --> 01:22:17,580
the separation of school district, if there's anything that the council could consider implementing

900
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:21,580
and expediting the rebuilds only because that funds are school district.

901
01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:28,200
And we're going to have, without the tax face, we're going to have some issues with that and some funding for the council as well.

902
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,960
I'd like to, one of the issues that I'm dealing with was some of the fire memorials.

903
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:41,940
I was fortunate I was invited to meeting with about 20 of the homeowners who live in the, like Oxnard, and they moved around.

904
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:49,820
And they do have concerns and they have concerns about some of the FEMA regulations because they're either going to have to have a break away garage

905
01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:52,820
or an elevator to get to their front door.

906
01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:55,340
Some of these people are in their 80s and 90s

907
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:58,740
and they just won't rebuild if they have to do that.

908
01:22:59,820 --> 01:23:01,280
The palisades fire did not,

909
01:23:01,820 --> 01:23:04,120
palisades did not lose any houses on the beach.

910
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:06,400
They were all on inland,

911
01:23:06,580 --> 01:23:09,720
so that's a big difference between our process and theirs.

912
01:23:13,860 --> 01:23:15,820
Oh, the two views I told you about.

913
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:18,720
The sports signs, and this is totally off-base.

914
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:28,520
There was a sports sign for two of our championships and it used to be on by the bluff park and when they built those homes on the south west east corner

915
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:34,680
They took the sign down and those of us had put those original that original sign up would like to either put it

916
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:43,820
So it can be seen on PCH and Malibu can neither on the park side or in the easement setback the city easement for utilities there

917
01:23:43,820 --> 01:23:48,160
So I'll bring that to the planning department such but I just want to counsel know about that

918
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:54,960
But there is a lot of still misinformation going around about what to do with the fire

919
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,700
rebuilds, how to do it.

920
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,580
And I'm going to talk to director Bundy about some of the things that were shared with

921
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:03,200
me in the meeting.

922
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,480
And I think it seems both she and Tyler Eaton can handle.

923
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,120
But I wanted to bring that to the council's attention.

924
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:12,220
And I'll continue when I get more things.

925
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:12,840
Thank you.

926
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:17,720
Okay, Brian, followed by Kevin Keegan, followed by Darren Graves.

927
01:24:22,900 --> 01:24:25,800
Hello everybody, I appreciate the opportunity.

928
01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:29,840
I'm going to try and fit in three minutes what our experience has been so far,

929
01:24:30,340 --> 01:24:32,220
working through the process to get the permit.

930
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:35,520
And we are one of the first on the beach to get the permit.

931
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:39,660
So we're kind of like a guinea pig and I'm going to tell you what went right and what went wrong.

932
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,140
So we're at least perceived.

933
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:44,380
Now, some of these things have changed because of what

934
01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:49,160
Bunt Yolanda had said about the changing of the guard.

935
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,060
But the PV process, for the most part,

936
01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:52,340
it worked really smoothly.

937
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,700
We had a 1930s house with zero plans, zero anything.

938
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,500
So we were starting from scratch,

939
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:01,640
we literally started on January 8th,

940
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:03,100
hired our architect and moved forward.

941
01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:06,260
So if the things are presented in a clear manner

942
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:09,560
in a thorough demonstration, they're able to make their thing,

943
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,520
you know, they're able to make their determinations

944
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,240
as to what was there and what's good for us, so it worked real well.

945
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:19,700
It bogged down in coastal engineering with someone named Miss Doyle, who was very problematic.

946
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:27,020
And we ended up being for 38 business days in coastal plan before we ever got a response

947
01:25:27,020 --> 01:25:28,900
from any submittal, and this was during PV.

948
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:34,640
And she, to our face, told us that she would have an answer by the afternoon, only to go days

949
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,260
without answering.

950
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,860
Finally, I sought help from some council and Yolanda, and it changed.

951
01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:49,980
So then we move into the RDP where once again, it was fairly quick, you know, as long as you have your information together and you get it out to them, I mean, I think we had very few corrections.

952
01:25:50,540 --> 01:25:56,280
But again, this time it was environmental health and coastal engineering, which I think is the same person in the store.

953
01:25:56,580 --> 01:26:03,280
That was 30 business days, and again had to seek help from Yolanda and the council to get them to respond to us.

954
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:12,980
So, I don't know which number I am on that thing, because we have a building permit, but we don't have a permit for the septic or the seawall.

955
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,700
So, I don't think we're fully permitted, so we're maybe one of those other numbers.

956
01:26:17,580 --> 01:26:24,740
We do have a bill for the septic, a permit bill, so maybe we're done with septic now, but we don't know.

957
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:33,280
the sea wall, the sea wall is crazy because we started out working with our neighbor and they were all for it and then they sold to the New Zealand toy makers.

958
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:40,060
So we're out of luck and we're also an end property where we're the last house that burns so we literally have to build a box.

959
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:51,280
We're being told that by our coastal design guy, it's 8,000 to 10,000 a foot for a sea wall and we got 360 feet because we have to build a box.

960
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:58,600
So now we're sitting in from what I understand maybe Rob can answer this, but we're in where the

961
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:05,100
municipal code calls for a variance for a seawall that's up against PCH and Cal

962
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:09,540
Trans is seeking that. So we're hung up in public works and we've been there since

963
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:15,340
December 4th when we submitted. We resisted these toy guys but you know

964
01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:18,840
unfortunately insurance isn't going to come close to covering what it's going to

965
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,800
cost us to rebuild the Lloyds of London given us 11,000 for a seawall.

966
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,420
Not foot, 11,000.

967
01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:29,500
So, you know, our seawall is going to be 3.2 million.

968
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:29,960
I'm not a brilliant.

969
01:27:30,660 --> 01:27:33,480
So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of fiction.

970
01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:35,240
But these double-managements are about.

971
01:27:40,210 --> 01:27:43,410
Kevin, follow by Darren, followed by Scott Teacher.

972
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:48,420
I'm Kevin Keegan.

973
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:53,940
Technology advancement, individual rights, and public health are important issues for

974
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:58,200
the Malibu community that I believe need thoughtful attention in 2026.

975
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,940
For example, a front page headline in the Malibu Times on Christmas Day shared quote,

976
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:09,600
study finds lasting health impacts from policy its fire, close quote, with a subheadline

977
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:16,440
that explained quote, new research reveals prolonged health, heart, lung and systemic health

978
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,840
effects for Malibu residents, close quote.

979
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:23,920
Back on November 10, I pointed out that the city missed an opportunity to emphasize public

980
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,360
in the city's current strategic plan.

981
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,800
In the wake of a pandemic and in historic wildfires,

982
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,540
it is a potential mistake to overlook public health

983
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:34,840
as that Christmas Day headline suggests.

984
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:39,300
Furthermore, shortcoming in the city's strategic plan

985
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:41,700
is the lack of a serious technology investment

986
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:44,820
or point-of-view being offered by the council.

987
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,460
As I've said here on December 8th, the future has arrived.

988
01:28:48,460 --> 01:28:53,420
AI, robots, autonomous vehicles, and more are all advancing rapidly.

989
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:59,480
With some foresight and initiative, Malibu can preserve its role character and rehabilitate

990
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:03,680
our local economy by embracing emerging technologies of our future.

991
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,320
Just as important, by taking action in 2026, the city of Malibu can help strengthen its

992
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:14,340
cyber defenses and our individual rights such as the right to privacy, which I believe is

993
01:29:14,340 --> 01:29:17,500
is a founding value of Malibu's community and culture.

994
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:20,680
A place to begin is to have a serious public discussion

995
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,220
about what is reasonable.

996
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:24,860
For example, what is reasonable regarding

997
01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:27,220
what decision an algorithm gets to make

998
01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:30,560
versus what decisions are council, city, staff, businesses,

999
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,480
and community members get to make?

1000
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,280
What is reasonable regarding collection and protection

1001
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,220
of a citizen's personal data?

1002
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,780
What is reasonable regarding the number of cameras

1003
01:29:39,780 --> 01:29:42,620
recording a citizen's daily wearabouts?

1004
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:48,440
surveillance, tracking, monitoring, and profiling are infiltrating society and communities

1005
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:50,580
without serious public debate.

1006
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:55,920
To put a fine point on it, cameras are proliferating at breakneck pace in cars,

1007
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,460
Kitchens, front doors, phones, drones, and more.

1008
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,140
More over, in my opinion, AI and surveillance capabilities are better and more powerful than anyone in this room fully understands. Simultaneously, new law enforcement techniques, like geofencing, take advantage of legal gray areas that erode individual citizens, human rights, including our fourth amendment protections. We need serious advocates who understand what is happening and are willing to lead with courage. The future has arrived and if we do not

1009
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:34,680
do not answer those questions ourselves, then others will answer the questions for us.

1010
01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:40,140
2026 offers a critical window of opportunity in Malibu for debate and action.

1011
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:41,100
Thank you.

1012
01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:46,990
Thank you, Darren, followed by Scott, followed by Marilyn Lee.

1013
01:30:56,820 --> 01:30:58,520
Good evening and happy new year.

1014
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,220
Honorable Mayor, City Council Members, Interim City Manager.

1015
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:03,260
Congratulations.

1016
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,980
So I wanted to start off by thanking you once again for all the strides you made last year.

1017
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:11,720
I'm helping the rebuilding community.

1018
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:19,020
I have a slide that I want to share with you, and it is in regards to what Brian, I think his name is, was talking about.

1019
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:24,360
So this is from the approved planning verification for my family's property.

1020
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,880
It is a drawing that describes three things.

1021
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,680
The upper left drawing is the existing septic system.

1022
01:31:32,020 --> 01:31:37,480
The two drawings in the middle on the upper line are affordable septic replacement systems.

1023
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:50,640
And the drawing on the far right on the upper side is the AWTS and shoreline protective device which was recommended by Mrs. Doyle of Cotton Shire starting in February of last year.

1024
01:31:51,620 --> 01:32:03,560
So per the $10,000 linear foot cost to build that shoreline protective device, it would have cost my family upwards of $800,000 just for the shoreline protective device.

1025
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:13,220
So I wanted to extend a very big thank you to everybody who made the efforts to allow us to follow the provisions of the lamp and release the December 8 memo.

1026
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:25,320
This has a huge effect on the beachfront homeowners who are rebuilding and everybody should have the ability if they don't add plumbing fixtures to save 800 grand or more.

1027
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:29,500
This is one of the smallest properties so everybody else would have to pay a lot more.

1028
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:58,660
So thank you also in regards to, I guess, making things easier for the city staff, I would suggest moving back towards the electronic plan review process, because such a process would eliminate the communication hiccups, which are still present, I say that because in my planning verification, which I submitted on December 1st, I got one comment from Bureau Veritas, it took them 10 days to issue the comment.

1029
01:32:58,660 --> 01:33:04,380
I addressed it within one business day, then it took them four days to have one question about the comment.

1030
01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:12,140
They didn't ask me anything, but they emailed Darren at domiciledesigns.com, the email, which was a question.

1031
01:33:12,260 --> 01:33:13,080
Well, I don't work there.

1032
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:19,480
So I didn't get the email until three days later, and then I addressed it, and I got an approval the next day.

1033
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:23,900
So hiccups like that would be eliminated by electronic plan review.

1034
01:33:24,340 --> 01:33:27,080
That's why I'd suggest moving back towards that model if you could.

1035
01:33:27,380 --> 01:33:27,700
Thank you.

1036
01:33:30,660 --> 01:33:35,200
I'm going to want to clarification on the comment you made, so just make sure we talk.

1037
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:42,300
Scott, and our final in person is Meryl May.

1038
01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:52,690
Thank you.

1039
01:33:52,890 --> 01:33:59,790
I was just checking because, really, this would come from Sawow, but she's in Dubai.

1040
01:34:01,710 --> 01:34:04,990
And happy new year, congratulations, Rob.

1041
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:16,030
So, I was in contact with our assessor, LA County, Dennis Prang, who has been trying

1042
01:34:16,030 --> 01:34:23,610
to revise how much these rebuild disasters, the victims get taxed.

1043
01:34:23,790 --> 01:34:27,250
Very much favorable to us.

1044
01:34:27,310 --> 01:34:32,030
He tried to get legislation that didn't go through.

1045
01:34:32,030 --> 01:34:41,690
So he's made an executive decision to try to cut how much we're going to assess these

1046
01:34:41,690 --> 01:34:42,830
burned out locks.

1047
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:50,270
And that's going to be very favorable to us as residents, those who can't live back

1048
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:50,630
in.

1049
01:34:51,230 --> 01:34:52,130
I mean, there's nothing worse.

1050
01:34:52,270 --> 01:34:58,870
You're paying this huge tax on a place that's a disaster that you can't live in.

1051
01:34:58,870 --> 01:35:06,090
And then you start adding in all the costs of, I've got to pay the mortgage.

1052
01:35:06,810 --> 01:35:11,650
And I've got to pay this astronomical tax that doesn't make sense anymore.

1053
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:17,450
So, that's kind of a good note in a very difficult situation.

1054
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:23,370
And we wanted the city and you guys to know about that, thank you.

1055
01:35:24,030 --> 01:35:25,490
Thank you, Mayor.

1056
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:26,250
Hello

1057
01:35:31,050 --> 01:35:32,650
and good evening, thank you for your time.

1058
01:35:33,650 --> 01:35:40,250
I wanted to bring up a few safety things, which you probably all are aware of because you get my emails, but I wanted to publicly come here.

1059
01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:45,450
The situation at Corral Canyon is disastrous.

1060
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:56,710
The Senator Dividers channelizers, I think there's one up about four from the end, 15 to 20 down, that is a very bad percentage.

1061
01:35:56,710 --> 01:36:02,110
The last time I was successful getting those channelizers replaced was about on the 29th when I had to appeal

1062
01:36:02,850 --> 01:36:05,830
Suggesting that maybe Santa Claus and the elves come and help

1063
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:13,610
When I made that email it was fixed in three days. Again, it is the worst condition. It has ever been at right now

1064
01:36:14,270 --> 01:36:14,810
Mr

1065
01:36:18,650 --> 01:36:25,050
Silverstein you have a creative mind with legal perspective. I don't know if there's any way to hold

1066
01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:32,410
on CalTrans or the contractor accountable for our horrendous safety condition, which exists on there right now.

1067
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:39,580
Maybe there's a penalty, maybe if they don't fix it within a certain amount of time, we can take it and do it.

1068
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:46,400
But everybody that travels through there right now, I'm amazed that we haven't had a head on collision in a fatality.

1069
01:36:46,780 --> 01:36:54,260
I mean, everybody speeds the rough, maybe the road is so rough, it might be a strategy to have a rough road to get people to go slower.

1070
01:36:54,260 --> 01:36:58,100
I mean, there were some holes that were gigantic the other day.

1071
01:36:58,220 --> 01:36:59,960
I had several people complaining about it.

1072
01:37:00,260 --> 01:37:01,640
Okay, crosswalk awareness.

1073
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,620
So that's one, crosswalk awareness.

1074
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,920
I almost got hit twice crossing the Zoom Res in the crosswalk

1075
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:07,740
when the light was on.

1076
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,280
People turning out of Zoom Res, not seeing me.

1077
01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:13,180
I'm standing in the crosswalk, waving my hands.

1078
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,880
My neighbor got hit three weeks before that

1079
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,200
in the hospital for a while, now going through rehab.

1080
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:20,900
We've made some headway with our crosswalks in towns.

1081
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,640
I've also submitted some emails about some enhancements

1082
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:30,680
for that with pictures. The Zuma underpass, when that's closed, it makes PCH more dangerous.

1083
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:35,400
People back up to Paradise Cove in the summertime when we can't use that underpass.

1084
01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:41,280
I don't know how many geographical acres there are above that Zuma underpass where water

1085
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:46,060
comes through there. It's a little sand and debris goes onto the concrete and then we can't clear it.

1086
01:37:46,180 --> 01:37:52,600
Putting everybody at risk on PCH. There is some progress on that I understand, but I think

1087
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:53,380
There needs to be better.

1088
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:59,000
Water storage tanks that allow people to use water storage tanks so that we have more water storage.

1089
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:00,980
I know that we were working on that.

1090
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,680
I don't know if the supervisors have signed off on it yet.

1091
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,660
Potholes, patches, cracks, please, that has to be better.

1092
01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:14,100
I appeal to everybody, residents that come here or that live here.

1093
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:18,480
When you see a problem on PCH, safety wise, potholes, traffic hazards,

1094
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:21,020
reported to public works, I'm sorry, public works.

1095
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:25,520
But they'll report it to CalTrans, you can also report it to CalTrans.

1096
01:38:27,300 --> 01:38:34,600
Home-hardening things, please do brush clearance and incorporate home-hardening into your, so that we don't have to rebuild homes in the future.

1097
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:35,420
Thank you.

1098
01:38:35,780 --> 01:38:36,060
Thank you.

1099
01:38:36,860 --> 01:38:38,720
Do we still have four raised hands?

1100
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,020
Yes, first is Nick Corey.

1101
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:44,140
Nick, are you there?

1102
01:38:45,820 --> 01:38:47,480
Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me okay?

1103
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:48,560
Yes, please go ahead.

1104
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,720
That's wonderful. Thank you. So good evening, everyone.

1105
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:58,980
I'd really like to take this opportunity to address my good buddy, Steve Yearing.

1106
01:39:00,140 --> 01:39:07,820
Steve, it has been 543 days since your property was cited for building without a permit.

1107
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:14,540
543. That's almost 78 weeks, my man.

1108
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:20,780
For most people in Malibu, a violation like that triggers threatening letters from the city attorney.

1109
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:27,780
Mounting legal fees, repeated inspections, and a long, chilling effect on their lives and homes.

1110
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:34,240
This message is usually loud and clear, complying immediately or else.

1111
01:39:35,180 --> 01:39:40,140
But not for you, my friend, because it must be nice being a city council member,

1112
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:46,280
must be nice being a former MTC president day and it must be nice living

1113
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:51,840
under a different set of rules. You can build without permits, you can put up

1114
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:57,380
illegal fencing, you can place storage sheds right on the property line with

1115
01:39:57,380 --> 01:40:03,120
whatever you want inside of them and somehow enforcement never seems to

1116
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:08,420
arrive. Meanwhile you spend your time making sure the rest of Malibu doesn't get

1117
01:40:08,420 --> 01:40:16,920
what it wants or needs. You delay projects, you obstruct solutions, you scrutinize everyone else

1118
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:23,700
while your own violations sit untouched for nearly a year and a half. Let me go back and remind you

1119
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:33,540
543 days. That doesn't happen by accident, Steve. It happens because the system is being bent to

1120
01:40:33,540 --> 01:40:40,360
protect insiders. It happens because connections matter more than compliance. And it happens

1121
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:46,340
because accountability in this city appears to depend on who you are, not what you've done.

1122
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:54,560
The result is two very different Malibu's. One, where ordinary residents face immediate threats,

1123
01:40:55,220 --> 01:41:02,300
legal costs, and fear. And another, where powerful people can ignore the rules indefinitely,

1124
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:04,580
confident that nothing will happen.

1125
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:13,900
543 days without resolution. 78 weeks without

1126
01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:14,860
consequences.

1127
01:41:18,580 --> 01:41:24,000
This makes a mockery of fair enforcement. So yes Steve, it really

1128
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,980
is good to be you. Thanks.

1129
01:41:29,870 --> 01:41:30,670
Next speaker.

1130
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:38,580
Gary Harkness. Gary, you there? Yeah I'm

1131
01:41:38,580 --> 01:41:55,580
So here thank you, I just want to make a comment about what I believe the MTC would do if Michelle Shane's idea were taken up and they would probably fight it, just like they did the PCH safety improvements.

1132
01:41:55,580 --> 01:42:02,620
But just generally I want to talk about the fact that this isn't an attack on Malibu's

1133
01:42:02,620 --> 01:42:07,780
history or on residents who have volunteered their time out of real concern for this community.

1134
01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:13,260
The question that I have is much more simpler than that, than that is whether the Malibu

1135
01:42:13,260 --> 01:42:17,560
Township Council is a legitimate public civic organization today.

1136
01:42:18,620 --> 01:42:19,840
And I would argue it isn't.

1137
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:28,040
The MTC was created in 1947, long before Malibu was a city, at that time it served a real purpose.

1138
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:32,640
There was no local government, no elected council, and no local voice.

1139
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:37,980
Township council helped fill that gap, and then doing so played an important role in Malibu's early history.

1140
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:42,660
But that role ended in 1991 when Malibu incorporated.

1141
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:48,740
You know, have elected city council, public commissions, open meeting laws, financial disclosures,

1142
01:42:48,740 --> 01:42:50,660
and accountability to every voter in the city.

1143
01:42:51,380 --> 01:42:54,360
Those are the institutions meant to govern Malagu.

1144
01:42:54,780 --> 01:42:57,100
The MTC, however, did not step aside.

1145
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,820
It continued on as a private organization,

1146
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,900
one that is not elected, not representative of the full community,

1147
01:43:04,340 --> 01:43:06,500
not subject to public transparency laws

1148
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:07,960
and not accountable to voters.

1149
01:43:08,820 --> 01:43:12,400
Membership is selective and participation depends on paying dues.

1150
01:43:12,940 --> 01:43:15,440
By definition, and that is not a public civic body,

1151
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:20,780
But yet the MTC regularly portrays itself as speaking for Malibu as a whole.

1152
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:27,320
Well, filing appeals and asserting lawsuits, enforcing costly delays to projects approved

1153
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:28,680
through public process.

1154
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:33,880
Those costs are paid by the city and its residents, not by the organization and posing them.

1155
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,400
That creates a serious imbalance.

1156
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,560
A small private group is able to stall or block public decisions without having to answer

1157
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:47,340
the public about having to run for office or operate in the open. That isn't how democratic

1158
01:43:47,340 --> 01:43:52,620
decision-making is supposed to work. Advocacy is not the issue. Any group has the right

1159
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:58,900
to organize lobby and even litigate, but advocacy groups need to be honest about what and who

1160
01:43:58,900 --> 01:44:04,560
they are. The MTC is not a governing body and does not represent Malibu as a whole. If we

1161
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:10,020
care about Malibu's future, which I think we all do, we should be strengthening our elected institutions,

1162
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:16,360
Not allowing private organizations to operate as a second layer of authority without public accountability.

1163
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:24,140
Thank you so much, I also want to say Mayor, thank you, you've been doing a really great job running this meeting since you've taken the gavel and I appreciate it.

1164
01:44:26,300 --> 01:44:27,100
Our next speaker.

1165
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:31,900
CC Lee.

1166
01:44:33,580 --> 01:44:34,520
CC are you there?

1167
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:47,670
Yes, we can hear you, go ahead.

1168
01:44:47,670 --> 01:44:59,530
Okay, I want to begin by acknowledging that the City of Malibu conducted a thorough and professional evaluation of the two Norfolk Island pine trees.

1169
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:30,060
Cross Creek Road. The city engaged in certified expert documenting its findings held public meeting. I do not dispute the significant time effort and resources we're dedicated to assessing these trees. Nor do I deny the safety considerations were raised. However, my concern is not with the thoughtfulness of the process. It's the direction, balance, and timing, you crack amamies. At every stage, the city's effort appeared to have been focused on building a case for why the tree should be removed rather than devoting equal effort to exploring how the tree, the law,

1170
01:45:30,060 --> 01:45:32,960
Long established habitat that supported could be superb.

1171
01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:38,420
There was no meaningful discussion of treatment options, structural mitigation, selective

1172
01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:42,780
running or long-term management strategies that could have reduced the risk while keeping these trees standing.

1173
01:45:42,820 --> 01:45:45,700
Instead, the trees themselves were broadly labeled as unsafe.

1174
01:45:46,220 --> 01:45:50,600
First of all, if anyone see it in Norfolk pine tree branch, they're really lightweight, they're like a feather.

1175
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:56,180
I have a house in Texas where I have golf ball swing and harder than the branches would ever fall, first of all.

1176
01:45:56,180 --> 01:46:01,800
they're not an oak tree. This is troubling because by logic virtually every mature tree in

1177
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:07,860
Malibu could be deemed as liable. When are we liable for people's luck? It's more, you're more

1178
01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:11,660
likely that I have lighting striking than a tree branch following you and I, you know, I apologize,

1179
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:15,960
I have hearts for those people but an oak tree is very much different than a Norfolk pine which

1180
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:21,000
touches the gates of heaven. All trees have been, all trees have been branches. All trees require

1181
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,120
maintenance. The standard of response in the urban forestry is not full-scale removal but risk

1182
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:30,480
management, pruning, monitoring and targeting mitigations in cases rather than removing specific

1183
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:36,380
hazards. The city treated the trees at the legal exposure to eliminate it altogether. Equally

1184
01:46:36,380 --> 01:46:41,120
concerning is a lack of effort to preserve or transition the wildlife habitat that existed in

1185
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:46,820
these trees for nearly years. No planning was presented to relocate or phase the existence

1186
01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:52,860
nesting activity. No treatment stabilization or any of this proposed. What I'm saying is let's get

1187
01:46:52,860 --> 01:46:58,560
this tree back. There's plenty off the 405 in the 101. It's a Norfolk point. It's the trees,

1188
01:46:58,700 --> 01:47:03,880
the birds like if you've ever camped, you don't want the trees to move. We want these trees back

1189
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:09,080
there because it gives these kids a 22nd break from their cell phone. We've already taken all the

1190
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:14,000
joys and pleasures out of every other existence of their lives and forced them on technology that

1191
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:20,240
they can't even eat. But we're over here saying that it's okay to put a bay leaf back into a

1192
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:22,340
the native society, none of that place is native.

1193
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,120
Okay, you're not going to win with this one.

1194
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:26,340
We would like the birds back and underneath the,

1195
01:47:26,420 --> 01:47:28,340
underneath the same waterfall countries,

1196
01:47:28,660 --> 01:47:32,160
let's add a waterfall, because I have the exact same structure

1197
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,180
at my place with the waterfall.

1198
01:47:34,380 --> 01:47:35,480
It would have cleaned the pool.

1199
01:47:35,820 --> 01:47:38,460
And let's put the trees back for those amazing birds

1200
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:41,700
that are immigrants to our city, and we want those back.

1201
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,640
We do not want to become the land of the pigeons and rats and

1202
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,060
mosquitoes, and please ask everybody to turn off their lights.

1203
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:51,360
It's basic common knowledge and how to mosquito thing works.

1204
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,480
Please, please let's enforce these dark sky ordinance.

1205
01:47:54,660 --> 01:47:57,660
Thank you very much and our final online speaker.

1206
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:00,360
Joe Drummond.

1207
01:48:01,140 --> 01:48:02,120
Joe, are you there?

1208
01:48:05,260 --> 01:48:06,260
Hi, can you hear me?

1209
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:07,000
Yes, we can.

1210
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,120
Mayor and council members and interim city manager DeBo.

1211
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,860
I'm speaking this morning from India following the painful anniversary

1212
01:48:14,860 --> 01:48:18,500
of the Palisades fire, a fire that destroyed my home

1213
01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:23,320
in the homes of 170 of my big rock neighbors along with nearly 600 members of our broader

1214
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:28,100
Malibu community. We hope this year brings healing and progress for us all. In our neighborhood,

1215
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:33,400
we also lost two lives, Hac Wang and Betty Mu Umira. Their deaths are a solemn reminder that

1216
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:38,560
this is not just about buildings, it's about people safety and the cost of a failure. One year later,

1217
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,560
the recovery has not kept pace with loss. I appreciate you land as updated on rebuilding.

1218
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:47,420
So far, only 22 rebuild permits have been issued. One of those is ours and we are grateful,

1219
01:48:47,420 --> 01:48:49,620
but we cannot start until the rain cease.

1220
01:48:50,140 --> 01:48:53,140
Hundreds of families remain displaced, placing, paying,

1221
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:55,960
mortgage tax is insurance and rent while living as a limbo.

1222
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,880
3.2 million for a sea wall is also ridiculous.

1223
01:48:59,420 --> 01:49:01,480
That is not recovery speed and it must change.

1224
01:49:01,980 --> 01:49:04,040
I'm glad item A is finally before you tonight

1225
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,720
and prioritized finally thank you

1226
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,160
because rebuilding must and can move faster.

1227
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:10,200
The city has both the legal authority

1228
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,800
and the legal obligation to ensure fire survivors

1229
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,840
can return to their homes in a timely manner.

1230
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:19,840
The Governor's emergency owners make this clear, wildfire rebuilding must be fast-tracked

1231
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,380
and streamlined, not slowed by unnecessary barriers.

1232
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,560
That obligation also extends to new property owners.

1233
01:49:25,740 --> 01:49:30,700
New owners must be authorized agents in mapped hazard areas to access the same post-fire

1234
01:49:30,700 --> 01:49:33,340
rebuild pathway except for fee waivers.

1235
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:37,920
It is critical for fire victims in their 70s and 80s who cannot endure the rebuild process

1236
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,340
to be able to sell their lots.

1237
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:44,040
If new owners cannot use the same rebuild pathway, those families may be unable to sell it

1238
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:48,300
all, effectively creating a taking and a significant financial burden for the city.

1239
01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:53,020
Concerns about corporate takeovers or short term rentals should not be used to block recovery.

1240
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:57,440
The president has recently directed Congress to curb corporate acquisition of single-family

1241
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,500
homes, which should just weigh these fears.

1242
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:00,880
The state should have done this.

1243
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:06,540
Many of us watched the lay let us burn, they let us burn rally in Pacific policy this week.

1244
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,440
The message was unsuitable, this is not just a fire.

1245
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,380
It was a systems failure, and unless we fix those systems, we will repeat it.

1246
01:50:13,380 --> 01:50:18,680
That means updating water infrastructure so hydrants don't run dry during firestorms,

1247
01:50:18,860 --> 01:50:23,800
undergranting utilities and telecoms with SE, so hazardous poles and exposed wires are removed

1248
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:27,880
and neighborhoods aren't constantly torn up or roads block during rebuilding, ensuring

1249
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:32,740
county fire keeps fire motorways clear and requiring the MRCA to manage brush agitations

1250
01:50:32,740 --> 01:50:33,420
to communities.

1251
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:38,580
Instead of allowing it to fuel fires that destroy homes and native habitat, perhaps enlisting

1252
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:43,080
the homeless to use their machetes up there as Halen suggested that made me smile for the

1253
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:44,820
first time this year, honestly, thank you.

1254
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,320
Please let tonight mark a real commitment

1255
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,220
to recovery speed public safety and getting family's home

1256
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:53,500
in honor of those we lost and those who are still waiting.

1257
01:50:53,860 --> 01:50:54,660
Thank you so much.

1258
01:50:57,850 --> 01:51:01,190
And then that concludes our Zoom.

1259
01:51:01,630 --> 01:51:05,650
And I do have one speaker slip that got paper clip

1260
01:51:05,650 --> 01:51:08,310
to something else, so Norm, you can round us out.

1261
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:16,300
Good evening, honorable city council members.

1262
01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:18,300
I'll be short.

1263
01:51:21,500 --> 01:51:30,760
The issues associated with the rains have not gone away yet, I have not passed.

1264
01:51:31,820 --> 01:51:39,700
I was happy to see the emergency extended because what happens when it rains from a geographical point of view

1265
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:47,260
is the water percolates down and sooner or later it hits a potential slide plane.

1266
01:51:47,260 --> 01:51:55,140
When it hits that slide plane, then you've increased the driving force with the water

1267
01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:02,160
and you have decreased the resistance to the slide occurring.

1268
01:52:02,660 --> 01:52:09,960
There are many large slides that occur three, four, five months after heavy rains.

1269
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:20,280
That's the first thing, the second thing is, I've often seen confusion between building permits and construction permits.

1270
01:52:20,940 --> 01:52:37,220
People consider it the same, but in fact, other people think when they get all the approvals from the planning department, and from the geology department and from all the other departments, they think they've got building permits, but they don't.

1271
01:52:37,220 --> 01:52:47,740
because building permits are basically construction permits, and all they have in their hands is an approval from all the various departments in the city.

1272
01:52:48,500 --> 01:52:50,240
That's it. Thank you very much for listening.

1273
01:52:51,340 --> 01:52:57,980
Thank you, Doyle. So that a close public comment. We're back up. We're going to do council member comments very early in the evening.

1274
01:52:58,460 --> 01:52:59,020
Who wants to start?

1275
01:53:00,970 --> 01:53:01,750
Don't all jump.

1276
01:53:03,070 --> 01:53:05,010
I have more, I guess, questions and comments.

1277
01:53:05,010 --> 01:53:06,410
Yeah, please start.

1278
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:07,410
Okay, thank you, I will.

1279
01:53:08,110 --> 01:53:09,050
All right, well,

1280
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:20,880
so many, so I was curious if the city has, well, thanks for the public.

1281
01:53:21,020 --> 01:53:22,020
I'll start with the publics.

1282
01:53:23,140 --> 01:53:25,500
I do wonder about ANK's radios.

1283
01:53:26,940 --> 01:53:30,200
Have we explored this model of radio?

1284
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:36,060
those radios are everywhere in fact the certain team has a radio that does

1285
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:41,340
basically the same thing. There's nothing unusual about those radios and I've

1286
01:53:41,340 --> 01:53:46,380
looked at the license and it is designed for Lahabra as far I think it was

1287
01:53:46,380 --> 01:53:51,140
really meant to be. And I assume that she has ownership of the license but they're

1288
01:53:51,140 --> 01:53:57,780
very common. Got it. I might get one. Just have one at my house. It's not that easy.

1289
01:53:57,780 --> 01:53:58,560
It's not.

1290
01:53:59,000 --> 01:53:59,140
No.

1291
01:53:59,620 --> 01:54:00,660
Oh, darn it.

1292
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:01,340
Nothing is easy.

1293
01:54:02,180 --> 01:54:07,120
Um, Darren, did we, so did we move away from electronic plan review?

1294
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:13,880
I'm just curious because in his comment, he asked to go back to electronic plan review.

1295
01:54:14,140 --> 01:54:18,500
But I wasn't sure if we moved away from electronic plan review.

1296
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:20,140
Say it again.

1297
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:22,760
Sorry.

1298
01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:32,330
Good evening, City Council.

1299
01:54:32,330 --> 01:54:36,170
And so we have not moved away from electronic review.

1300
01:54:37,470 --> 01:54:41,290
Most of it, the submittals are through an electronic portal.

1301
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:50,330
I think the difficulties comes when we do not have an automated system and things are being done manually.

1302
01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:56,650
We also have the ability to do plan check through a software that is called blue beam.

1303
01:54:57,810 --> 01:55:05,830
So we are also working on utilizing that software to a greater area.

1304
01:55:06,530 --> 01:55:10,550
So when the plan is submitted, everybody can see that set of plans, and that's what

1305
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:10,930
we have.

1306
01:55:11,310 --> 01:55:12,510
We don't have that.

1307
01:55:12,750 --> 01:55:13,070
I see.

1308
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:20,150
So, so Bluebeam, was that what was in the Baker-Tilly report as far as the suggested technology

1309
01:55:20,150 --> 01:55:24,650
that the city, because I wonder if we're putting our energy into Bluebeam, which is inadequate

1310
01:55:24,650 --> 01:55:32,210
or less than if we were to put that energy into a new type of system, that would be more.

1311
01:55:32,810 --> 01:55:36,570
Blue beam is a plan check software system.

1312
01:55:37,090 --> 01:55:43,510
The most of the jurisdictions are using additional to blue beam, there's a permitting,

1313
01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:47,330
automated software system that the city does not have.

1314
01:55:48,210 --> 01:55:49,070
Oh, should we have that?

1315
01:55:50,230 --> 01:55:50,970
Should we get that?

1316
01:55:51,930 --> 01:55:54,190
I'd be interested in looking into whatever that is.

1317
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:57,290
Council member, yeah, we're looking into that.

1318
01:55:57,570 --> 01:56:05,270
And one of the things about blue beam for most of these programs that do the permitting software is they work hand-to-hand with each other.

1319
01:56:05,490 --> 01:56:09,590
So that's something that, yeah, we're looking into and kind of provide.

1320
01:56:09,790 --> 01:56:13,550
What is that name of the program that you're looking into?

1321
01:56:14,610 --> 01:56:39,050
There's a number of programs and vendors that have permitting software that have there, and so we're I think it was before all of the fires and everything else to you, we're kind of moving towards kind of implementing some type of permitting software and then we've had it, so it's still something that we're kind of looking to see Christopher.

1322
01:56:39,050 --> 01:56:39,230
for.

1323
01:56:39,970 --> 01:56:40,490
Oh, thank you.

1324
01:56:40,710 --> 01:56:40,910
There's some more.

1325
01:56:41,230 --> 01:56:41,350
Yes.

1326
01:56:42,630 --> 01:56:47,310
Maybe you could give us unlikeness as our resident expert on.

1327
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:48,530
Yes, sure.

1328
01:56:48,690 --> 01:56:49,350
Good evening.

1329
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:50,630
Adoption of new software.

1330
01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:55,150
So we, I'm in the process.

1331
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:57,510
As you know, I've only been here about eight weeks now.

1332
01:56:57,710 --> 01:57:01,490
So I'm in the process of evaluating where our technology projects are at.

1333
01:57:02,590 --> 01:57:04,650
The city did undertake an RFP process.

1334
01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:08,730
I believe two to three, about two years, between two and three years ago.

1335
01:57:08,730 --> 01:57:13,490
that identified Tyler technologies as the preferred solution.

1336
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:18,230
That proposal remains valid for another few months

1337
01:57:18,230 --> 01:57:19,550
from the company.

1338
01:57:19,850 --> 01:57:23,450
And so I have re-engaged a project team

1339
01:57:23,450 --> 01:57:28,510
that includes our IT team as well as Yolanda's team

1340
01:57:28,510 --> 01:57:33,370
to begin evaluating, validating that Tyler is still

1341
01:57:33,370 --> 01:57:35,370
the right fit for us to be able to move forward.

1342
01:57:35,370 --> 01:57:44,930
and hopefully in the next, before that proposal expires, if it fits for us, we will initiate

1343
01:57:44,930 --> 01:57:50,390
a project with them. So we will be coming to Council with a contract proposal, provided

1344
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:55,970
that is, you know, we still believe that is the best path forward for us. So that's going

1345
01:57:55,970 --> 01:57:57,570
to, that's the phase for the next few weeks.

1346
01:57:57,870 --> 01:57:59,830
Great. Thank you. I look forward to that update.

1347
01:58:01,370 --> 01:58:08,050
And then I was, yeah, so I helped with the Jeff Prang assessor.

1348
01:58:08,190 --> 01:58:16,150
I think it would be important to Scott and Sal was point for us to like look into how we can help support the assessor's office with that tax.

1349
01:58:17,210 --> 01:58:20,730
I don't know, do we get council consensus to look into that for the next meeting?

1350
01:58:21,790 --> 01:58:32,790
So are you taking legislatively help him out or the lobby, yeah, we lobby, we hope strategically legislative for pressure on where we can?

1351
01:58:34,090 --> 01:58:45,790
Well, let's go back to the Woolsey fire, when we did there, we've made sure that everyone's tax basis transferred to their new home.

1352
01:58:46,710 --> 01:58:51,310
That took legislative action, I believe that's what the assessor is doing.

1353
01:58:51,770 --> 01:59:00,330
It's not a problem to immediately reassess the property right now, for the damage done in a fire.

1354
01:59:00,850 --> 01:59:05,410
And that's one of the reasons why the city only had a 1% increase in property tax this year.

1355
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:09,130
Normally what I had a 2% increase just if nobody had done anything.

1356
01:59:09,870 --> 01:59:14,190
But the design understanding from, and I had a conversation with him about this.

1357
01:59:14,190 --> 01:59:17,990
If you look at a typical tax bill, it's got two components.

1358
01:59:18,290 --> 01:59:19,390
It's got the land and the improvements.

1359
01:59:20,170 --> 01:59:22,550
And if the house burned, they immediately took the improvements off.

1360
01:59:22,770 --> 01:59:24,050
In fact, they did that to the fire.

1361
01:59:24,610 --> 01:59:26,090
So that's already been done.

1362
01:59:26,410 --> 01:59:28,350
So only the land value is still there.

1363
01:59:28,810 --> 01:59:31,950
And if you look at Proposition 13 value, those are very reduced as well.

1364
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:34,510
The real question is about the going forward.

1365
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:40,730
How long does the Proposition 13 value stay with the new home or the replacement home?

1366
01:59:40,730 --> 01:59:45,430
And that's got more to do with the Timberson extra and so forth.

1367
01:59:45,810 --> 01:59:49,610
If you like, I think they'd be glad to come in from the county and give us an update

1368
01:59:49,610 --> 01:59:50,070
on that.

1369
01:59:50,270 --> 01:59:52,610
But I think it's well underway for everybody.

1370
01:59:52,930 --> 01:59:58,570
It's healthy in a palisades heat and it's a very common process now for the fires, unfortunately.

1371
01:59:59,210 --> 01:59:59,510
Okay.

1372
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:25,220
Thank you for that. Merrill's comments about Corral Canyon, which I had questions on an update. I think it would be great if we could get updates on, I guess, big projects that affect everybody like the Corral Canyon corner of PCH, because it is a mess. I see that what work there has been halted. I don't, I would like to know why when they're going to restart it and what the timeline is if you have that information.

1373
02:00:25,220 --> 02:00:26,820
in terms of the manager.

1374
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:28,100
Do block.

1375
02:00:32,730 --> 02:00:34,410
Yeah, I'll get that information.

1376
02:00:34,770 --> 02:00:35,210
Okay, cool.

1377
02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:37,430
There was a stop work order on that.

1378
02:00:38,530 --> 02:00:39,230
That work.

1379
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:42,960
Do the smart logical findings.

1380
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:48,540
Yeah, I would like to know when the start work order is going to be an effect.

1381
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:51,820
After it's been about three months, I think.

1382
02:00:52,140 --> 02:00:53,940
I think when we were.

1383
02:00:54,500 --> 02:00:55,000
There was a.

1384
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:02,100
I forgot where I heard it, but I saw Lee Hayber said that he should be starting very soon on that again.

1385
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:08,940
And then is there like an overall timeline, like we have to live with this for the next two years, nine months?

1386
02:01:09,580 --> 02:01:11,660
Two years ago, this was to be finished, just a little bit.

1387
02:01:12,740 --> 02:01:19,380
Yeah, once again, we'll provide kind of an overall update on all those projects, yeah.

1388
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:20,040
Thank you.

1389
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:22,640
And are there such things as permanent

1390
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:24,900
channelizers, or is that not something that we want?

1391
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:26,700
Because we want them to be removable,

1392
02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:29,020
like as far as a safety mechanism, because it seems

1393
02:01:29,020 --> 02:01:30,780
like these channelizers that we live with

1394
02:01:30,780 --> 02:01:34,660
in the mediums are constantly coming off,

1395
02:01:34,660 --> 02:01:35,500
and then they're in the road,

1396
02:01:35,980 --> 02:01:38,740
and it becomes this up to maintenance issue.

1397
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:40,680
Is there any other solution to that?

1398
02:01:41,180 --> 02:01:44,960
For those temporary construction ones,

1399
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:46,700
that's what's kind of needed,

1400
02:01:47,660 --> 02:01:55,780
But they do make different ones that would probably be more, can last a little longer.

1401
02:01:56,160 --> 02:02:03,140
Those of us that are out there are typically you put them out there that they're not meant to be for an extended period of time what we're seeing now.

1402
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:10,180
So I think they need to look at revisit that for any type of long term solution for that type of generalizers.

1403
02:02:10,180 --> 02:02:16,580
Okay, I like the idea of looking into somehow where the city can have oversight.

1404
02:02:17,420 --> 02:02:24,820
I think Merrill asked Bruce if there was some legal something in which the city could

1405
02:02:24,820 --> 02:02:32,240
take over if there's negligence or we can kind of assert our power.

1406
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:37,620
You know, plenty should ask that because you asked earlier about what benefit do we get from

1407
02:02:37,620 --> 02:02:39,840
in the declaration of local emergency.

1408
02:02:40,060 --> 02:02:40,560
I'm leaving.

1409
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:41,980
I'm leaving.

1410
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,180
I've advocated for the past year or more

1411
02:02:45,180 --> 02:02:47,180
that we actually do have the ability

1412
02:02:47,180 --> 02:02:49,720
under that declaration to take matters

1413
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:52,040
into our hands, but we've been advised otherwise.

1414
02:02:53,900 --> 02:02:57,780
Are we, there's no nothing that we can do

1415
02:02:57,780 --> 02:03:00,680
as far as taking matters into our hands?

1416
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:03,440
CalTrans has jurisdiction over PCH

1417
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:10,380
and we can work with them is the better practice to improve things on PCH.

1418
02:03:10,460 --> 02:03:15,860
If we want to try to make changes on PCH, we would likely run into issues with them.

1419
02:03:15,980 --> 02:03:22,340
There is power under our declaration to take some actions to address emergency situations,

1420
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:27,160
but you will be taking on a lot of risk if you're trying to make improvements

1421
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:29,500
or do work on CalTrans directly.

1422
02:03:29,500 --> 02:03:30,540
That's a risk.

1423
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:38,000
Just that this goes back to, I think, before you were elected and we had debate up here multiple

1424
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,560
times about the fact that we could just take matters and throw in hands.

1425
02:03:42,100 --> 02:03:48,880
And if it turns out we're wrong, let CalTrans go to the courts and deal with the public relations

1426
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:52,380
of trying to stop us from doing things that make our city safe.

1427
02:03:52,700 --> 02:03:57,520
But was never able to get a majority of city council to agree to take any action?

1428
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:11,760
How interesting. It came down to that, to the majority. So, the Zoomers crosswalk is dangerous, as we know somebody got hit there a few weeks ago, but I don't know the solution.

1429
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:22,220
So we see that there is these kind of dangerous situations in Malibu over and over again. And this isn't going away. So what is the solution?

1430
02:04:22,220 --> 02:04:29,000
Do we have the solution to something that we know is, I mean, when does it become negligent on our part because we know that it's dangerous?

1431
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:38,140
So if, like the city of Malibu is basically up here on tape saying that this is a dangerous situation, at what point are we taking on that risk just inadvertently?

1432
02:04:39,340 --> 02:04:48,880
So what I would suggest is, if anybody sees any dangerous situation on PCA agent at Crosswalk,

1433
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:59,410
let myself know or let Public Works staff know, we have weekly meetings with CalTrans on this,

1434
02:05:00,350 --> 02:05:04,170
and that can be documented on what can be done in those situations.

1435
02:05:04,170 --> 02:05:22,690
So, it's a, it's, Cal Transit City, I've been real kind of meeting, like I said, weekly and it's been a very good collaborative kind of work and so, but more information we have and more kind of insights we hear from the public and council, we can kind of read that information to them.

1436
02:05:22,690 --> 02:05:27,210
And once it's put on their attention, it does put pressure on them to go resolve the situations or

1437
02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:31,810
and issues for them and then it gives us the ability to kind of

1438
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:37,450
follow up and request more information and see if they're actually taking from them.

1439
02:05:38,050 --> 02:05:39,330
Well, I mean are there other

1440
02:05:40,350 --> 02:05:46,030
mechanisms or warning lights or signs or something we can put in crosswalks?

1441
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:50,890
You know, what do other cities do when they've got highways going through their city?

1442
02:05:52,170 --> 02:05:57,930
And they're noticing, you know, I know, like, down in palisades, they added the extra light.

1443
02:05:58,110 --> 02:06:01,190
Even we've added some places where we have more flashing lights and things like that.

1444
02:06:01,630 --> 02:06:08,890
Other technologies that we can add to our intersections to make crosswalks more apparent to drivers.

1445
02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:14,130
Yeah, remember the roundabout, just one of the things Kel trans is going to do on the walkway so the roundabout.

1446
02:06:14,130 --> 02:06:17,890
If there are any of, we hit the button of the lights and that we can go across.

1447
02:06:18,170 --> 02:06:22,410
So it's there, it can be done, it's gotta find somebody to do it.

1448
02:06:22,510 --> 02:06:28,250
It's just, yeah, there's a lot of different options in the tool belt for

1449
02:06:28,250 --> 02:06:33,410
those situations and it's just looking at those and getting with

1450
02:06:33,410 --> 02:06:36,070
CalTrans that to do something that can be done there.

1451
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:41,950
There's a number of things you can do, there's just like council member mentioned.

1452
02:06:41,950 --> 02:06:52,710
There's flashing lights and people across, there's flashing, you can go across, and there's several different options they can do that.

1453
02:06:53,170 --> 02:06:54,670
It's a centralized intersection.

1454
02:06:55,550 --> 02:07:06,530
I mean, like, being in Hawaii and they have flags on each side of the street, and the pedestrians pick up a flag and walk across the street with the flag.

1455
02:07:06,530 --> 02:07:11,190
I mean, do we have to go that simple just to get attention, is?

1456
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:14,310
I saw some places in YouTube, they put bricks on Saturday.

1457
02:07:15,610 --> 02:07:18,130
And it seemed to have an impact, so I don't know.

1458
02:07:19,170 --> 02:07:27,310
I would be very much interested in looking into some of those options, lighting, flag, anything that kind of helps.

1459
02:07:28,530 --> 02:07:31,010
This seems to be have gone on longer than I've been here.

1460
02:07:31,010 --> 02:07:37,090
I mean, maybe it's time to look into different options for crosswalks, especially the one

1461
02:07:37,090 --> 02:07:41,170
at Zoom res since there was two accidents there, I guess.

1462
02:07:42,830 --> 02:07:45,190
Yeah, so we'll bring it up with, Cal friends, with that.

1463
02:07:45,390 --> 02:07:45,710
Thank you.

1464
02:07:46,670 --> 02:07:46,990
Okay.

1465
02:07:47,150 --> 02:07:47,970
Sorry, moving on.

1466
02:07:48,170 --> 02:07:51,710
So, Brian Merrick, dual problem, sorry, that sounds terrible.

1467
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:52,870
Congratulations.

1468
02:07:53,410 --> 02:07:53,770
Congratulations.

1469
02:07:55,630 --> 02:08:02,330
So when he talks about septic and seawalls and PCH shoring up, right, is there an answer

1470
02:08:02,330 --> 02:08:02,810
to that?

1471
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:09,250
Or is that like, do we know if he has to pay for septic, which he's doing, what I'm hearing

1472
02:08:09,250 --> 02:08:13,830
is that he has to pay for a seawall, which it sounds like now it's going to the Pacific

1473
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:14,970
Coast highway shoring up.

1474
02:08:15,070 --> 02:08:23,350
So is there like a clear roadmap for beachfronts with regards to who's shoring up the highway

1475
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:29,030
or if there is the last I heard it was kind of vague and I would love an update on if

1476
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:32,570
CalTrans says we'll shore up the highway and the residents don't have to.

1477
02:08:34,750 --> 02:08:43,410
Yeah. At this time, septic systems and sea walls are the responsibility of the homeowner.

1478
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:50,550
Got it. The existing walls that are right next to PCH,

1479
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:55,270
Coltrance has been working with their engineers to assess each one of them.

1480
02:08:56,110 --> 02:09:13,190
We have information that there is about three properties that they own that portion that wall, and they are going to be showing, and specifically there's three properties.

1481
02:09:14,110 --> 02:09:30,930
As far as car trans pain for the retaining wall that is on the property owners property, car trans is stating, it hasn't stayed that they're going to be paying for it.

1482
02:09:31,570 --> 02:09:32,030
Got it.

1483
02:09:32,250 --> 02:09:33,070
Thank you.

1484
02:09:34,810 --> 02:09:35,570
Okay.

1485
02:09:37,250 --> 02:09:46,490
Michelle Shane. That sounds like a great idea. Mary Ann and I will be in Sacramento. We can work on that if we have direction too.

1486
02:09:47,410 --> 02:10:03,810
I was wondering if the city of Malibu has a coastal commission meeting representative. So is there somebody whose responsibility to keep their eye on the coastal commission agenda as far as things that come before them like the parking that's now coming to Leo

1487
02:10:04,890 --> 02:10:06,290
from the last meeting?

1488
02:10:07,230 --> 02:10:12,030
Yes, the Community Development Department is in charge of keeping an eye on that.

1489
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:17,290
We also have recurring meetings with the staff from the Coastal Commission.

1490
02:10:18,510 --> 02:10:21,050
The last meeting we had, it was in December,

1491
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:25,890
we're setting up another meeting at the beginning of March to introduce our new city manager.

1492
02:10:26,410 --> 02:10:27,050
Oh, fantastic.

1493
02:10:27,390 --> 02:10:29,470
Did you guys hear about the Leo-Coreo parking?

1494
02:10:30,170 --> 02:10:31,670
Leo-Coreo is in the city of Malibu.

1495
02:10:31,670 --> 02:10:38,450
It's not so you wouldn't even have heard about it doesn't it that's County County okay, perfect

1496
02:10:38,450 --> 02:10:41,270
I'm glad to hear that you guys are on that

1497
02:10:42,290 --> 02:10:47,690
I wanted to thank you all for the extra hour for the seniors in the

1498
02:10:47,690 --> 02:10:52,650
Multi-purpose room. They're very happy and I really am grateful and appreciative

1499
02:10:52,650 --> 02:10:57,890
They're like wow two hours. I don't know if we could stay here that long. I know it's three

1500
02:10:57,890 --> 02:10:59,810
Well, you could cut it down. It's an experiment

1501
02:10:59,810 --> 02:11:06,470
It's kind of like if nobody stays then, you know, and Chair Yoga was a success next door simultaneously.

1502
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:12,450
I was wondering, are you guys removing or replacing carpets that I hear a rumor?

1503
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:18,700
I think from some of the water damage, was there a requirement to replace

1504
02:11:19,820 --> 02:11:25,260
the water damage? I'm sure it's under a certain amount so we don't really need to know about it.

1505
02:11:25,260 --> 02:11:28,660
Yes, thank you, Council Member for the question.

1506
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:36,300
There is what we did as a patch job is we had some extra carpet tile that we replaced.

1507
02:11:37,580 --> 02:11:43,420
So that's working out pretty well until the whole project will come forward, and

1508
02:11:43,420 --> 02:11:47,560
we will replace that carpet in the multipurpose room and senior center.

1509
02:11:48,020 --> 02:11:51,220
And will everybody go back to the bluffs for that period of time?

1510
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:54,600
Or it will be like an overnight thing and we'll never know what happened?

1511
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:59,520
But we will try our best to do it on the weekend, so it doesn't disrupt programming.

1512
02:12:00,100 --> 02:12:00,220
Great.

1513
02:12:00,820 --> 02:12:01,580
Thank you.

1514
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:06,200
I was wondering, it came up today, about the green waddles that are everywhere.

1515
02:12:06,620 --> 02:12:12,300
Are those just for, so they're, I could be calling them not waddles, they might not be waddles,

1516
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:16,100
but they're neon green and they're on PCH and they're on hillsides and they're also in

1517
02:12:16,100 --> 02:12:16,820
the mediums.

1518
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:22,820
So I was wondering if that's for temporary purposes for the rain, or are we planting something

1519
02:12:22,820 --> 02:12:25,520
Anything in those are more long-term?

1520
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:32,760
Yeah, those are protected devices at CalTransplace within the median to prevent erosion.

1521
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:39,100
And if they did some cleanup work along the slope over there and the curb and the shoulder area.

1522
02:12:39,300 --> 02:12:44,360
And so to prevent any more erosion, that's what they placed in there to help that erosion.

1523
02:12:44,820 --> 02:12:45,520
Got it.

1524
02:12:47,100 --> 02:12:49,440
What's the difference between agreements and the used to be grounds?

1525
02:12:50,420 --> 02:12:50,760
Yeah.

1526
02:12:54,820 --> 02:12:59,520
I mean, they're basically the same kind of thing, it's just a different color.

1527
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:07,480
I mean, if you go on, I was going to ask about plastic sandbags.

1528
02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:20,020
Because I know there was an issue with, I believe there was for the emergency rains and everything, questions about some plastic sandbags that were at a giveaway spot.

1529
02:13:20,020 --> 02:13:23,720
I'm assuming it was the county since it was on their land that the giveaway was.

1530
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:30,800
So we're just making sure that all partner agencies know that plastic sandbags are not allowed.

1531
02:13:31,160 --> 02:13:39,240
And even in emergency situations, we should do our best to have burlap or other available.

1532
02:13:39,740 --> 02:13:40,540
Yeah, absolutely.

1533
02:13:40,740 --> 02:13:45,280
That was something that just kind of came up and we got with our county and

1534
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:46,980
we're going to correct that.

1535
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:54,980
When I heard about it, I called the county the same day and they recognized that they were not supposed to give a test today, so hopefully we won't see those again.

1536
02:13:58,150 --> 02:14:00,310
Do we have an actual timeline for the skate park?

1537
02:14:04,380 --> 02:14:18,260
No, yeah. We're still kind of looking at all the ponding and the mud and debris in there to kind of see when they can really get back in there and finish up all that area.

1538
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:24,220
Can I offer to rent some drawing equipment and some other things to so we can get that

1539
02:14:24,220 --> 02:14:25,740
form for this quickly as possible?

1540
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:28,860
I'll stand out there with a fan.

1541
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:36,140
I mean, the good thing is what does and the weather this week too, it's supposed to be warmer.

1542
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:38,760
So it's going to it's going to help that process quicker.

1543
02:14:39,140 --> 02:14:43,280
So we'll see how this goes and get the contractor to start calling quick.

1544
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:44,180
Yeah.

1545
02:14:44,580 --> 02:14:45,020
Okay.

1546
02:14:45,020 --> 02:14:49,640
Sorry, Kristen. I have another question for you. There's two or three burnt trees on the

1547
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:53,700
bluff's park. They've been there on and off. I mean, they've just kind of creepy looking.

1548
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:59,460
You know what ones I'm talking about? I believe so. Yeah. Are they our property or MRCA?

1549
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,720
MRCA property. So I believe that we're able to brush clear that because it's 200 feet from a structure. I think that we're allowed to take those out with permission maybe, but we should probably think about doing that. We can work with MRCA to figure out a solution. Are you referring to the trees on PCH? They're like on PCH right off, I don't know, behind the community building. They're like creepy looking.

1550
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:36,620
Just a reminder of the three fires that we had, it's like right behind the community

1551
02:15:36,620 --> 02:15:43,380
centers, so I believe we're within the footage of a structure that would be super.

1552
02:15:43,620 --> 02:15:48,920
And I wanted to think that the beach cleanup crew for the community brigade who cleaned

1553
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:54,480
the beach yesterday, and I would like to join that in the future and bring my kids.

1554
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:57,780
It was very sad to see how much debris is still out there.

1555
02:15:58,440 --> 02:16:03,040
The mangled rusty metal bed frames is very sad.

1556
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:07,160
And that is all my questions, really, and comments.

1557
02:16:09,710 --> 02:16:10,030
Thank you.

1558
02:16:13,540 --> 02:16:15,060
Bill, I'll do it.

1559
02:16:15,220 --> 02:16:15,680
I'll do it.

1560
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:19,900
First off, I want to thank Candace Bond for her service.

1561
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:23,680
And she's not here tonight to say thank you in person.

1562
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:26,120
Hopefully she's watching it or she'll get it indirectly.

1563
02:16:26,120 --> 02:16:34,740
But she was a real gift from the community for the community and we'll always be grateful to her for that.

1564
02:16:35,380 --> 02:16:41,440
And Rob, thank you for filling in until we get the next city manager on board.

1565
02:16:42,100 --> 02:16:45,240
And looking forward to having him March 2nd.

1566
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:52,000
In terms of things that we had a very eventful week this last week, we had the remembrance program on Wednesday.

1567
02:16:52,660 --> 02:16:56,240
here at City Hall and City Staff, I think, did an excellent job with that.

1568
02:16:56,900 --> 02:17:00,100
It was tough to remember where we all were.

1569
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,760
It was difficult to remember where we were at the same time a year ago.

1570
02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:08,680
And it was deja vu for some of us as we walked into the multi-purpose room

1571
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:13,000
for snacks and treats and realized that was where the EOC was.

1572
02:17:13,580 --> 02:17:17,860
And it was going full steam at the same time a year ago.

1573
02:17:17,860 --> 02:17:25,300
So, I'll make a comment maybe before we can rebuild, but we can never forget our race

1574
02:17:25,300 --> 02:17:26,660
of damage done to so many lives.

1575
02:17:28,300 --> 02:17:33,340
And unfortunately, Malibu's had a string of bad luck on fires.

1576
02:17:33,340 --> 02:17:38,600
If you go back to the Wolsey Fire, basically the entire city has been subject to some kind

1577
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:41,660
of a flame issue in the last seven or eight years.

1578
02:17:42,820 --> 02:17:46,100
And we got to do what we can to keep the fires out of Malibu.

1579
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:48,680
and when they are here, and I go back to the chief

1580
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:50,920
and Roni's comment, your house has to be able

1581
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:51,780
to defend itself.

1582
02:17:52,720 --> 02:17:54,880
And there's no way to have a fire truck in front

1583
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,420
of every house or run on every street.

1584
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:58,980
So we've got to do what we can to make sure that they're safe.

1585
02:18:00,180 --> 02:18:01,700
I already mentioned about the two deputies

1586
02:18:02,320 --> 02:18:03,420
that were heroes.

1587
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:05,740
Couple of quick things.

1588
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:06,580
Speed cameras.

1589
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:09,020
Rob, do we have an update on when we're

1590
02:18:09,020 --> 02:18:10,740
going to get those RFPs out?

1591
02:18:13,540 --> 02:18:16,500
So yeah, we, so thanks for reminding me

1592
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:25,740
Yeah, we, this last week that we did do interviews with, I believe it was four or five different vendors.

1593
02:18:26,300 --> 02:18:36,040
And staff is kind of compiling all that information and we are going to be making a selection here and bringing

1594
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:38,420
that to City Council soon on a vendor.

1595
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:44,020
So that should be coming here, I want to say it would in February or so.

1596
02:18:44,020 --> 02:18:47,540
Okay, and what's the timeline to put them in once we select them?

1597
02:18:47,720 --> 02:19:07,700
So once that's done to, right now, we are looking to try to get the big critical item is actual polls for the cameras and for the speed feedback signs, and we're trying to get a date on when those are going to come in, we're hoping this spring.

1598
02:19:08,480 --> 02:19:16,260
And we're checking with calisthency if they have any within their stock so they can just trade us and get in and sooner.

1599
02:19:16,540 --> 02:19:25,060
So I'm pushing at this next couple weeks and trying to get an answer on the poll situation because that's the really the critical path.

1600
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:34,520
Okay, I know in a report from CHP that we get, they poll maybe one over 100 mile an hour's speeder every two or three months.

1601
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:39,380
But when you get the speed cameras in, we'll know who's speeding and where, who's been

1602
02:19:39,380 --> 02:19:40,920
naughty or nice, so to speak.

1603
02:19:41,640 --> 02:19:46,080
And that will help us, I think, tell the story on the fast system as well.

1604
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:50,860
I'm looking at Michelle, and I think that data will be beneficial.

1605
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:53,620
So looking forward to getting those cameras in and see what we can do.

1606
02:19:54,460 --> 02:20:03,600
On the radio, it didn't mean to be dismissive of NK, but radios are perfectly peripheral

1607
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:07,740
and prolific all over Southern California.

1608
02:20:08,140 --> 02:20:11,460
In fact, that's one of the issues and frequencies of jam packed,

1609
02:20:11,820 --> 02:20:13,020
there aren't any spare frequencies.

1610
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:19,200
And the one that she's talking about is dedicated to the La Habra,

1611
02:20:20,100 --> 02:20:23,020
I think, parts of watch equivalent.

1612
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:26,280
And the fact that she's got one of the radios, that's great.

1613
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:31,560
I know she used to be in the Habra, but we've got plenty of radios here.

1614
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:37,540
the issue is not radios. It's about the ability to have strong signals on the tower for the

1615
02:20:37,540 --> 02:20:43,760
sheriff's department. The cert team has got its own radio system. The rick's radio system is

1616
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:49,360
what the county uses for the entire county with interchange with other, like the fire department

1617
02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:55,880
and the sheriff's department, the state parks, so forth. Everybody's got an inter-connected system.

1618
02:20:55,880 --> 02:21:01,420
You just need to have the strong towers where they can all work, so it's it's not a case of

1619
02:21:01,420 --> 02:21:09,440
Trying to find another radio system and if you're a ham radio operator you can use those radios all you want to

1620
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:16,100
Which I get a license and technician class to take you one day to get it and by the way most of the asserting as

1621
02:21:16,100 --> 02:21:21,580
Ham radio licenses in addition to the city radio, okay, that's all I got

1622
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:29,760
Yeah, okay. First thing which everybody happy new year. I guess I think anybody getting

1623
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:35,640
arrested so I guess everybody was fairly calm during that time frame. I want to thank

1624
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:41,760
public works and I know Robert Tatiana who let the charge to keep the roads open and you

1625
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:45,400
will have the rent. It was a heck of a job and we do appreciate it. I mean, it made the

1626
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:46,320
heck a lot better.

1627
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:53,180
There have been a number of articles regarding people doing soil testing

1628
02:21:53,720 --> 02:21:59,480
In some cases they found out that there were some debris in the soil that they didn't want

1629
02:21:59,480 --> 02:22:00,020
to have there.

1630
02:22:01,020 --> 02:22:03,880
And I just, I got two notes over the course of the last couple of weeks.

1631
02:22:04,380 --> 02:22:05,900
There are two programs that are free.

1632
02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:10,800
If anybody wants to do soil testing, you can get that done for free, either through USC.

1633
02:22:11,660 --> 02:22:17,060
They've got a program called Clean, just Google that and give you the details on that one.

1634
02:22:17,060 --> 02:22:23,900
And then LA Public Health also has a soil testing program that's free.

1635
02:22:24,300 --> 02:22:27,400
I mean, so you put your soil in a little plastic bag and send it to them.

1636
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,300
And I think it's like seven days I'll give back to you and tell you what's there.

1637
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:33,320
So if you're interested, there's some places you can go to get that done.

1638
02:22:37,980 --> 02:22:40,140
I would just not, I attended this,

1639
02:22:42,220 --> 02:22:42,960
palisades,

1640
02:22:43,240 --> 02:22:45,080
remembers event we had here in City Hall.

1641
02:22:46,300 --> 02:22:48,540
And I'll tell you, one of the leads from my perspective.

1642
02:22:48,540 --> 02:22:56,240
I mean, I talked to a number of the residents who were here and I was just glad to see that their

1643
02:22:56,240 --> 02:23:01,140
spirits were still up. I mean, you know, they're still planning to rebuild, they're keeping their

1644
02:23:01,140 --> 02:23:05,400
spirits at the bottom, they're working hard at it. So at least, I mean, I went home and I felt

1645
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:11,480
better than I felt reading all these articles about stuff that wasn't happening. So it was just good

1646
02:23:11,480 --> 02:23:19,600
here. And then finally, I was going to comment on our two anonymous callers that we get every,

1647
02:23:19,900 --> 02:23:24,340
you know, this has been going on for a year and a half now. Ever since we voted down the

1648
02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:31,900
motel, they were trying to, you know, that, that keen brothers in Doug Berger trying to build

1649
02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:39,120
over on PCH. And I don't apologize for voting against that hotel. It was a bad idea. And I'm not going

1650
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:50,300
You know, just for your information, the city has been in contact with my property and I don't have a problem.

1651
02:23:52,340 --> 02:23:56,900
So I'm not going to go to the details of the snow of their business that we have done that.

1652
02:23:58,520 --> 02:24:00,060
With that, back to you, Mayor.

1653
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:08,320
Okay, so the sergeant is earlier with Hope 2026 to be better in 2025.

1654
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:10,640
If that's not the case, we're all in trouble.

1655
02:24:11,300 --> 02:24:13,040
So here's for a good year.

1656
02:24:14,380 --> 02:24:18,160
I said a couple of minor comments that I'll get to more significant one.

1657
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:24,060
There have been a lot of questions Rob about these various items, Merrill raised, Zuma underpass.

1658
02:24:24,540 --> 02:24:29,340
It seems like it was open and fixed for a while, and now it's not again.

1659
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,480
What's the prognosis, what's going to go on there?

1660
02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:37,160
I think it's an issue about the stand removal, and I think the county and

1661
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:42,400
beaches Harbor and California's are kind of working through all those kind of issues above removing.

1662
02:24:42,780 --> 02:24:43,800
Is it going to be a year again?

1663
02:24:44,060 --> 02:24:49,600
I think it's something that we're going to be pushing and I'm going to be pushing hard on them to try to get that resolved.

1664
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:56,400
I think the issue previously was that they removed it once, and

1665
02:24:56,400 --> 02:25:02,780
And they needed a continuing permit to actually do it from previous years because it's going to happen over and over again.

1666
02:25:02,900 --> 02:25:07,860
And they got to make sure that's kind of, they are the permit to do that correctly over the years.

1667
02:25:08,380 --> 02:25:08,760
All right, thanks.

1668
02:25:11,360 --> 02:25:15,240
And there's been some comments about Anne Kay's comment about the radios.

1669
02:25:15,500 --> 02:25:22,120
One thing I was to say, because I think it was unfair, the statement that the Hobber Heights has not burned.

1670
02:25:22,540 --> 02:25:24,840
And I think she said apparently they care.

1671
02:25:25,560 --> 02:25:45,840
I looked at their fire hazard severity map after she made that statement, and with the exception of a few blocks of a multi, many, many mile area, that that sound is not only not a, well, first of all, we're entirely a very high fire hazards and areas of every inch of Malibu,

1672
02:25:45,960 --> 02:25:49,800
not one inch of that area is a very high fire hazard.

1673
02:25:49,800 --> 02:25:54,940
the severity zone. With the exception of those few blocks, none of that area is a high

1674
02:25:54,940 --> 02:26:03,080
fire-higher severity zone, a moderate fire severity zone, no severity zone of any sort.

1675
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:09,280
It's just a clean slate. It's like areas of the valley here where they're just concrete jungles.

1676
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:15,840
I'm not saying that's a concrete jungle, but it's not a fire zone. So it's just a very unfair for

1677
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:21,800
someone to suggest that some other jurisdiction cares, and that the proof of that is that they have radios, and that's why they don't burn.

1678
02:26:22,340 --> 02:26:23,140
That's nonsense.

1679
02:26:25,420 --> 02:26:34,800
So for the past couple of months, there's been this issue of, this was alluded to earlier by Helen, whether the rebuild rights travel with the land.

1680
02:26:34,900 --> 02:26:43,100
And we all know that with respect to planning, they do, that under our municipal code, and even under the coastal act when it applies.

1681
02:26:43,100 --> 02:26:52,320
When you have a catastrophe in your rebuilding, it doesn't matter whether it's the person who owned the property at the time, it can be a buyer.

1682
02:26:53,060 --> 02:27:10,280
What has come to our attention is that the building code does provide an in-lands and active landslide area unless it's the owner at the time of the casualty where their quote was authorized representative, whatever that means.

1683
02:27:11,720 --> 02:27:17,960
There is not the ability to rebuild other than to go through some very difficult process, maybe even not at all.

1684
02:27:18,580 --> 02:27:26,420
So Trevor or Yolanda, or anyone else that has knowledge about this, what is the answer?

1685
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:31,300
And if the answer is we just don't have an answer yet, that's fine, but we need to get this clarified.

1686
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:37,650
Is that just for landslides or is it just for landslides?

1687
02:27:37,690 --> 02:27:40,650
Yes, they did have any to do with like fire rebuilds.

1688
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:47,550
It applies to any rebuild for even for catastrophe in a land active landslide area.

1689
02:27:47,810 --> 02:27:51,910
So it overrides all the stuff in our municipal code and the coastal act.

1690
02:27:52,290 --> 02:27:58,570
And it cuts off a buyer of property from taking advantage of the rebuild ability.

1691
02:27:58,570 --> 02:28:03,070
It's not a landslide on that particular property, it's a landslide area.

1692
02:28:04,610 --> 02:28:06,250
Okay, maybe along the conchets and wait on that.

1693
02:28:08,910 --> 02:28:09,710
Yes, good evening.

1694
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:17,670
This comes as a section of the county building code, 110 4.2.6.

1695
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:28,090
And this states that properties that are lost on the, and an active landslide are able to rebuild.

1696
02:28:28,090 --> 02:28:30,570
out with several conditions.

1697
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:35,490
The first condition is that it needs to be alike for

1698
02:28:35,490 --> 02:28:39,510
like, same area, no additional fixtures, no additional bedrooms.

1699
02:28:40,330 --> 02:28:44,750
And then, another statement states and I don't have the code in front of me.

1700
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:51,830
That the permits, the building permits can be issued to the property owner,

1701
02:28:52,310 --> 02:28:56,010
their heirs, or a authorized agent.

1702
02:28:57,410 --> 02:29:08,230
And so that is how it's written and after the fires, we went back to the county trying

1703
02:29:08,230 --> 02:29:16,730
to get an understanding of where this came from, when this was added to the county code.

1704
02:29:17,410 --> 02:29:28,610
It was added, I understand on the 90s, after an incident that happened, besides that,

1705
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:33,410
I haven't been able to get a lot of information on why it was written this way.

1706
02:29:34,530 --> 02:29:41,110
So, the question from the community is, since it's written that only the homeowner,

1707
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:46,930
their airs or the authorized agent can we can issue the building permits.

1708
02:29:47,630 --> 02:29:48,730
Can they sell the land?

1709
02:29:49,930 --> 02:29:51,330
And so that is the question.

1710
02:29:53,370 --> 02:29:58,850
Talking it over with Trevor, we started looking at.

1711
02:30:00,430 --> 02:30:28,270
First, it was a concentration of helping rebuild everybody that had blast the property there. And so we concentrated on those homeowners that wanted to do like for like. Now, the question comes, what if, how can I sell my property if I'm not able to rebuild? We're trying to find a definition on what an authorized agent can signify for this property owners.

1712
02:30:28,270 --> 02:30:46,810
But moreover, we're also seeking the assistance of the county since this is a section of the county code trying to have an understanding of why it was written and also if there is a way to change it and allow the property owners to sell the property.

1713
02:30:48,050 --> 02:30:50,030
So that's where we are right now.

1714
02:30:50,590 --> 02:30:53,490
Thank you for that, Your Honor. And that's consistent with my understanding.

1715
02:30:54,250 --> 02:31:01,930
So, I had thought I had heard that we were a little further into it than that, but that's actually makes sense to me.

1716
02:31:02,110 --> 02:31:21,070
So, what I'd like to do is I'd like to ask for consensus to bring back an item for the council to take some affirmative action that would give you greater ammunition in dealing with the county wherever, because I came to the conclusion myself after studying the problem that it does require some kind of a legislative fix.

1717
02:31:21,070 --> 02:31:24,590
I don't know whether the governor can fix it through an executive order, I doubt it actually.

1718
02:31:24,930 --> 02:31:27,690
I think it does require some kind of a legislative fix.

1719
02:31:27,970 --> 02:31:36,550
I'll be surprised if a proper interpretation of the way it's written now would permit a subsequent owner to take advantage of the provision.

1720
02:31:36,770 --> 02:31:38,530
So I think it needs to be addressed.

1721
02:31:39,010 --> 02:31:47,950
I think I understand the concept was, I mean, if you think about it in an active landslide, people probably shouldn't build full stop.

1722
02:31:49,450 --> 02:31:59,110
Even if the House has been destroyed, nobody, though, had in mind that there'd be a catastrophe of this nature where entire neighborhoods were wiped out.

1723
02:32:00,130 --> 02:32:06,570
And it may be that an extraordinary situation of like this requires an extraordinary exception to the statute that they have in place.

1724
02:32:07,310 --> 02:32:16,950
So I'd like to bring this back as an item where we can maybe fashion a letter of support, or do something, or maybe authorize us to affirmatively work of our lobbyists.

1725
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:25,310
But we need to do something not to define an authorized agent as as someone who buys it because I think that's a silly way to address it.

1726
02:32:25,430 --> 02:32:35,850
It's kind of like the only way you can do it out of the existing statute, but actually get the county to agree to engraft an exception for the Palisades fire and possibly for other wildfires.

1727
02:32:36,790 --> 02:32:38,270
So can we get a consent?

1728
02:32:38,270 --> 02:32:42,810
Mayor, for example, the staff will support that to burn back on item to discuss it.

1729
02:32:42,990 --> 02:32:45,790
I think we could bring more information and options here for the council.

1730
02:32:45,790 --> 02:32:58,330
Yeah, and I fully support this and I've reached out to the County Supervisor already to initiate conversations about this, because I do think it's something at the county level that we need to work.

1731
02:32:59,030 --> 02:33:12,250
One, looking back through all the original reason why they put it in their code, and then also they've amended it several times, so what is the intent of what it is it's supposed to be?

1732
02:33:12,250 --> 02:33:13,990
So I fully support that.

1733
02:33:14,190 --> 02:33:34,750
I'm actively reaching out to the supervisor's office to also have those conversations because I think it is something that it's time that we get a better definition and why it's there and to put the places in so that properties can be subsequently sold regardless of whether the house is rebuilt or not.

1734
02:33:34,750 --> 02:33:38,630
Yes, thank you mayor and just to give credit to the mayor.

1735
02:33:38,850 --> 02:33:41,510
She put us in contact with Dylan's ceiling.

1736
02:33:42,330 --> 02:33:46,410
He is the regional planning deputy with Lindsay Horvath.

1737
02:33:46,650 --> 02:33:50,890
He is trying to set up a meeting with the building of Fisher from the county.

1738
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:56,450
So we can have this conversation and see how we can handle this for our property owners.

1739
02:33:57,870 --> 02:33:59,690
If I could ask a quick question.

1740
02:33:59,690 --> 02:34:06,510
I understand the points that's been posed so far about in an active landslide.

1741
02:34:06,890 --> 02:34:08,570
What constitutes an active landslide?

1742
02:34:09,290 --> 02:34:15,950
What is this saying that everything in Malibu is in this or is it just a big rock or what?

1743
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:20,910
No, and so we're not talking about all those 497 properties.

1744
02:34:21,170 --> 02:34:22,710
They don't fall under this.

1745
02:34:22,710 --> 02:34:32,590
They only properties are possibly the ones that are on BICRAC, and not all of them, what constitutes an active landslide.

1746
02:34:33,050 --> 02:34:38,350
The state of California, they have the mapping assigned and

1747
02:34:39,070 --> 02:34:41,510
designated what is an active landslide.

1748
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:44,130
And this is where this information comes from.

1749
02:34:44,870 --> 02:34:51,750
So we're talking about BICRAC 170, some properties we lost on that area.

1750
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:54,890
Yeah, not everybody is selling the property.

1751
02:34:55,790 --> 02:35:02,270
So it's for those that will like to sell the property, giving them the ability to sell

1752
02:35:02,270 --> 02:35:02,710
the property.

1753
02:35:03,050 --> 02:35:06,290
I would think in the palisades, there are some areas that are in an active place.

1754
02:35:06,510 --> 02:35:10,550
I know the map now that you mentioned, which is when it is, I've seen that map, but

1755
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:12,170
I would think it also affects palisades.

1756
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:13,930
Yes, that is correct.

1757
02:35:14,670 --> 02:35:15,810
There's several areas.

1758
02:35:15,810 --> 02:35:24,930
I mean, I can provide an example that we come to that to counsel with our conversations with the county.

1759
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:34,430
We can provide a list of what areas within our burn area are that once affected by this section of the code.

1760
02:35:34,750 --> 02:35:43,350
The simple solution actually, it may be too broad for the county, but the simple solution is just to say errors, successors, and assigns, and that would fix it completely.

1761
02:35:47,380 --> 02:35:54,360
The other issue is, as I understand it, though, that provision also unlike the like for

1762
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:57,580
like plus 10%, there's no plus 10%, is that accurate?

1763
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:05,020
At the beginning of the rebuild back in February of this year, that was the first question

1764
02:36:05,020 --> 02:36:10,080
from a lot of our property owners on the landslide areas.

1765
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:18,540
Yes, the building code, as you know, chapter one is as the interpretation of the building official.

1766
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:30,220
Back in February, I was able to write a interpretation for that like for like to be consistent with our planning ordinance, so in ordinance.

1767
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:38,940
So we did authorize that no more area also constitute that like for like plus 10 to be aligned.

1768
02:36:38,940 --> 02:36:40,900
I mean, no more means no more than 100 and 10%.

1769
02:36:40,900 --> 02:36:41,700
Yes, yes, yes.

1770
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:42,440
Good for you.

1771
02:36:42,940 --> 02:36:43,580
Thank you.

1772
02:36:44,540 --> 02:36:45,500
All right, those are my comments.

1773
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:49,020
We have this coming back officially.

1774
02:36:49,380 --> 02:36:49,840
Sounds like it.

1775
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:50,180
Okay.

1776
02:36:51,180 --> 02:36:52,660
This sounds like consensus on that.

1777
02:36:55,180 --> 02:36:55,600
Thank you.

1778
02:36:55,700 --> 02:37:00,260
I guess I'm not raw sewer updates

1779
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:02,460
for those PCH properties.

1780
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:07,860
What is the latest and when's it gonna be before council?

1781
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:09,580
When are we gonna make a decision on that?

1782
02:37:13,820 --> 02:37:18,060
So yeah, we're planning on bringing the first meeting in February.

1783
02:37:18,780 --> 02:37:22,200
I'm crossing my fingers that there's a couple of things that we're kind of working on.

1784
02:37:22,420 --> 02:37:25,180
But that's kind of where we're kind of landing.

1785
02:37:25,500 --> 02:37:26,460
I think we're in good shape.

1786
02:37:26,660 --> 02:37:30,080
I kind of at least have a discussion to let you know where we are with that.

1787
02:37:30,380 --> 02:37:35,620
But so that's where we are with the PC server.

1788
02:37:35,620 --> 02:37:51,420
Yeah, definitely, just to let everybody know we're keeping our foot on the gas on that one so that people can know whether or not that's a real possibility or repair and or reuse of their existing septic and all that's going to be their option.

1789
02:37:51,420 --> 02:37:55,500
So, every time we have any search and

1790
02:37:55,500 --> 02:37:59,460
soda lindas here, is it possible to ask

1791
02:37:59,460 --> 02:38:03,960
CHP? I know they give an update to

1792
02:38:03,960 --> 02:38:07,200
the Public Safety Commission on their work.

1793
02:38:07,620 --> 02:38:10,480
Would it be possible to maybe ask if they could attend

1794
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:15,240
one of our council meetings and give us an

1795
02:38:15,240 --> 02:38:18,960
update of the work that they're doing on a

1796
02:38:19,380 --> 02:38:24,560
You know, even just once a month basis so we can hear from them on the work that they're

1797
02:38:24,560 --> 02:38:24,880
doing.

1798
02:38:25,220 --> 02:38:28,120
It's, they've been here, you know, what, two years?

1799
02:38:31,540 --> 02:38:33,320
Okay, great, thank you very much.

1800
02:38:34,420 --> 02:38:38,600
And then the other thing that's come up that, you know, kind of going off on some of the

1801
02:38:38,600 --> 02:38:45,960
stuff that Bruce was asking for, it seems like historically we've just been kind of living

1802
02:38:45,960 --> 02:38:53,620
with the geological information in Big Rock and it's been, I think, quite sometimes since

1803
02:38:53,620 --> 02:39:05,000
we've had a comprehensive report done on the activity of the landslide, the dewatering

1804
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:16,000
Can we initiate a report of, you know, what is the status of that landslide now?

1805
02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:20,240
Is it active? Is it dormant? Have the dewatering wells worked?

1806
02:39:20,920 --> 02:39:30,040
Just get, so we just have an updated comprehensive overview and not just going on 30 or 40 years worth of information.

1807
02:39:32,400 --> 02:39:40,120
So we have our our plan state assessment consultant that actually does all of the monitoring and

1808
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:52,440
an operation of a big rock, they can go over the data, they can go over kind of what they've done and we can kind of go over really kind of all the work.

1809
02:39:53,100 --> 02:39:59,560
Our staff has been done to replace probably majority of the equipment that's out there from the.

1810
02:39:59,560 --> 02:40:01,300
from the balance states fire.

1811
02:40:01,820 --> 02:40:04,840
So we can provide an update if that works with that

1812
02:40:04,840 --> 02:40:06,280
or are you looking for more?

1813
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:08,580
I think I'm looking for a little bit more comprehensive.

1814
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:10,520
I think that's a portion of it.

1815
02:40:11,340 --> 02:40:14,800
But, and I don't expect this to be done in a quick,

1816
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:16,940
I mean, I think this is something that we're gonna have to do

1817
02:40:17,540 --> 02:40:20,960
an RFP for and do a comprehensive thing.

1818
02:40:21,060 --> 02:40:23,320
But I think that there's a lot of questions out there

1819
02:40:23,320 --> 02:40:26,300
as to just how active that landslide is.

1820
02:40:26,300 --> 02:40:32,860
Is it still a map with the state of California, and should it still be mapped?

1821
02:40:33,020 --> 02:40:36,480
Are there things that should be, so we just get more information about?

1822
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:46,340
So I will get with Dr. Cambundi and I will kind of look to strategize on how we can provide that information and see how steps we can do for that too.

1823
02:40:46,500 --> 02:40:54,260
But the easiest thing is to get an update from our consultant that's actually doing the monitoring and

1824
02:40:54,260 --> 02:40:56,660
and operating of the big rock dewatering,

1825
02:40:56,820 --> 02:40:57,800
we can provide that.

1826
02:40:58,340 --> 02:41:00,020
Is that ye and associates?

1827
02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:00,740
Ye?

1828
02:41:01,080 --> 02:41:01,900
Yeah, ye?

1829
02:41:02,060 --> 02:41:02,520
Yeah, it's like.

1830
02:41:03,100 --> 02:41:03,560
What's new?

1831
02:41:03,940 --> 02:41:06,600
Yeah, and associates, because I went to a meeting recently,

1832
02:41:06,980 --> 02:41:09,420
well, not recently, but it might have been like a few months ago

1833
02:41:09,420 --> 02:41:11,880
where they did a presentation and talked about the rewatering

1834
02:41:12,380 --> 02:41:15,040
and the successes, and I think it was public works,

1835
02:41:15,940 --> 02:41:17,880
but it might be good to have that here,

1836
02:41:18,080 --> 02:41:19,460
because I would absolutely.

1837
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:22,540
But how does that work within the whole comprehensive,

1838
02:41:22,540 --> 02:41:29,620
So when the geologists are looking at a house that's being built, or in this case, the rebuild of over a hundred homes.

1839
02:41:30,140 --> 02:41:41,180
It's a little bit more complicated than that, but something that you'll want to and I will have to look into and kind of strategize on how we can present that information and have a path forward on it, get you that what you're looking for.

1840
02:41:41,340 --> 02:41:47,760
So do we, do the other council members agree that that's something I think that the city should initiate so that we just have a more up to date?

1841
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:55,600
I'd like that picture of what, especially if we're going to be discussing this council authorised in a landslide area.

1842
02:41:55,800 --> 02:42:00,680
I need to understand what is an active landslide. I've heard over and over that it's not an active landslide.

1843
02:42:00,800 --> 02:42:06,500
What I heard from Yolanda, though, and maybe I misunderstood was, this isn't really a fact-based question.

1844
02:42:06,660 --> 02:42:12,800
There's a map, the legal definition of the landslide area for purposes of the code is what the state tells us.

1845
02:42:13,020 --> 02:42:16,900
So unless the state is convinced to change its maps, we're stuck with that designation,

1846
02:42:16,900 --> 02:42:19,060
We should just like the very high fire has its everities on.

1847
02:42:19,660 --> 02:42:20,340
Is that accurate?

1848
02:42:20,460 --> 02:42:21,240
Yeah, that is correct.

1849
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:27,120
The state of California has their own geologists that do all the mapping for the state of California.

1850
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:31,880
And all the geohaster is areas and that's how it functions.

1851
02:42:32,360 --> 02:42:37,300
I will have to go back and see how the map can be changed.

1852
02:42:38,860 --> 02:42:42,660
What is the possibilities or?

1853
02:42:44,260 --> 02:42:46,120
That's probably something our council can do.

1854
02:42:46,120 --> 02:42:49,820
That's a legal question of kind of the map to be changed, and if so, what under what circumstances?

1855
02:42:50,280 --> 02:42:57,080
I just think I've heard for the past year that it's not a, it's not a, an amplified area.

1856
02:42:57,460 --> 02:42:59,620
And the residents seem to be very passionate about that.

1857
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:03,780
And so I've been going with it because I just assumed that we all did our due diligence.

1858
02:43:04,040 --> 02:43:08,740
But if I'm hearing now that we are questioning it, maybe it's good to have those answers.

1859
02:43:08,740 --> 02:43:12,120
I said, you know, this is not an unusual situation in the law.

1860
02:43:12,500 --> 02:43:16,240
It really isn't whether, factually, we agree or disagree with it.

1861
02:43:16,340 --> 02:43:17,920
It's whether it's mapped as such.

1862
02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:22,200
So we need to deal with the state and get them to not map it as such,

1863
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:23,920
if it's really not properly mapped.

1864
02:43:24,380 --> 02:43:24,660
Okay.

1865
02:43:25,220 --> 02:43:28,860
But to your point, I think if you go back, this is where we have conflict

1866
02:43:28,860 --> 02:43:32,100
about what constitutes a side area, because you go back two years ago,

1867
02:43:32,420 --> 02:43:35,600
and the same homeowners and big rock were saying it was an active side area.

1868
02:43:36,060 --> 02:43:36,260
Right.

1869
02:43:36,260 --> 02:43:39,300
No, they say it's not, but you have to state maps to say something else.

1870
02:43:39,540 --> 02:43:42,280
So we've got to see what we're dealing with here.

1871
02:43:42,460 --> 02:43:47,020
They were making the argument for purposes of local zoning decisions, which we have discretion over.

1872
02:43:47,240 --> 02:43:48,560
This is a state law issue.

1873
02:43:48,780 --> 02:43:51,740
We need to have the state map examined.

1874
02:43:52,740 --> 02:44:00,100
So, I mean, at the very least, maybe we need to have a little bit more education of how this is determined, what the steps are.

1875
02:44:02,500 --> 02:44:10,740
We can, if Council agrees with this, we can have our new geotechnical firm do a presentation

1876
02:44:10,740 --> 02:44:23,840
for Council on how the maps are established and show you how those came about and try

1877
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:27,120
to get information on how if those maps can be changed.

1878
02:44:28,140 --> 02:44:31,720
And then along with the other local information from the dewatering.

1879
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,740
So yeah, let's just, yeah, let you want to kind of get together.

1880
02:44:34,740 --> 02:44:36,180
We'll strategize on how we can do it.

1881
02:44:36,180 --> 02:44:41,960
Yeah, so even if it's just an educational workshop so that our cells in the community can better

1882
02:44:41,960 --> 02:44:48,360
understand how this is designated and what goes into this decision.

1883
02:44:48,360 --> 02:44:53,760
And if it's still applicable or, you know, if a slide can be mitigated into no longer being

1884
02:44:54,220 --> 02:44:54,740
a hazard.

1885
02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:56,060
I guess.

1886
02:44:56,060 --> 02:44:59,880
This is kind of, I don't know, okay, I said enough.

1887
02:45:02,580 --> 02:45:24,040
Second, concludes. I have two more points. I'd like to propose a council item for who can attend the zone captain meeting so that we can put this to rest for the future. Because I believe that there's a brown act issue if more than two attend. So how should we go about that?

1888
02:45:24,040 --> 02:45:24,320
That's

1889
02:45:26,840 --> 02:45:28,180
our city attorney.

1890
02:45:28,540 --> 02:45:36,510
You can just sign an item and then we can have a discussion with the whole council and you guys can decide who's going to attend.

1891
02:45:38,700 --> 02:45:38,940
Great.

1892
02:45:39,580 --> 02:45:42,580
Well, I think that, you know, is there a question? Is it a brown act?

1893
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:43,540
Yes.

1894
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:45,200
Those are city meetings.

1895
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:47,440
They cannot have more than two council members present.

1896
02:45:47,900 --> 02:45:47,960
Okay.

1897
02:45:50,810 --> 02:45:50,950
Okay.

1898
02:45:51,890 --> 02:45:52,670
I mean, I was going.

1899
02:45:53,030 --> 02:45:53,690
I was going.

1900
02:45:54,010 --> 02:45:55,070
I had gone.

1901
02:45:55,070 --> 02:45:57,950
and then he'll jump in, so I'm gonna let her go.

1902
02:45:58,470 --> 02:46:00,610
You got him, I'll pass, I'll pass.

1903
02:46:00,610 --> 02:46:01,750
We could also do a rotation.

1904
02:46:01,870 --> 02:46:02,950
I got out of the things I can do.

1905
02:46:03,010 --> 02:46:04,850
I think existence is really important on this.

1906
02:46:04,970 --> 02:46:05,170
Yes.

1907
02:46:05,530 --> 02:46:06,610
Okay, well thanks then.

1908
02:46:07,410 --> 02:46:09,970
I will, do we have to memorialize that

1909
02:46:09,970 --> 02:46:11,210
or put that in writing or?

1910
02:46:11,330 --> 02:46:13,150
Is there consensus from the council

1911
02:46:13,150 --> 02:46:14,570
that you'd wish to bring back an item?

1912
02:46:15,290 --> 02:46:17,950
Not if we've just decided, which I feel like we have,

1913
02:46:18,290 --> 02:46:19,510
unless we have to vote on it.

1914
02:46:23,330 --> 02:46:29,930
Sounds to me like it always is the case that two people can go and the issue is just resolved

1915
02:46:29,930 --> 02:46:30,430
by Steve.

1916
02:46:30,630 --> 02:46:31,030
I agree.

1917
02:46:31,350 --> 02:46:33,110
I think it's, I feel good about that.

1918
02:46:33,650 --> 02:46:33,770
Yeah.

1919
02:46:34,090 --> 02:46:38,190
There's no council action, but if council member hearing is not attending, then there is

1920
02:46:38,190 --> 02:46:38,650
an issue.

1921
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:39,430
No need to bring it back.

1922
02:46:39,890 --> 02:46:45,290
And the capital zones are, meetings are happening in every Wednesday, from 3 to 4, sometimes

1923
02:46:45,290 --> 02:46:46,230
from 3 to 5.

1924
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:55,190
So now that we have the decision from Council, we will be sure to invite Council Member Conrad and Mayor Riggins.

1925
02:46:55,550 --> 02:46:55,870
Thank you.

1926
02:46:55,970 --> 02:46:56,250
Thank you.

1927
02:46:58,130 --> 02:47:01,070
It's a public meeting.

1928
02:47:01,670 --> 02:47:03,750
I thought we were able to say this is audience.

1929
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:09,070
If you're going to have three Councillors participating, then we would need to go and notice it is a special meeting.

1930
02:47:09,070 --> 02:47:11,570
I mean, even though we're spread out in a-

1931
02:47:11,570 --> 02:47:14,910
I'm not talking, and not even discussing anything with each other.

1932
02:47:15,050 --> 02:47:15,370
And I'll-

1933
02:47:15,370 --> 02:47:17,570
Yes, it doesn't fall under a ceremonial exception.

1934
02:47:17,710 --> 02:47:20,890
It's not a community meeting put out by a third party organization.

1935
02:47:20,990 --> 02:47:25,150
It's not another notice commission meeting which would fall under the brown act as well.

1936
02:47:25,770 --> 02:47:30,090
So, anytime you have three council members present, discussing city business,

1937
02:47:30,170 --> 02:47:32,330
it's a meeting of the brown act unless an exception applies.

1938
02:47:32,510 --> 02:47:34,050
There's not an exception to apply to this.

1939
02:47:34,130 --> 02:47:37,370
This is a city-organized meeting.

1940
02:47:37,370 --> 02:47:39,210
Okay, thank you.

1941
02:47:39,430 --> 02:47:44,890
One last thing. Do we have consensus? Should we put on the next agenda, the mobile home park?

1942
02:47:45,550 --> 02:47:51,290
I mean, there's been a lot of back and forth with some of the residents that live in the mobile home park,

1943
02:47:51,290 --> 02:47:53,090
because there's a meeting on Thursday at 1.30.

1944
02:47:53,830 --> 02:47:58,330
But if there's something that they've decided, we can talk about it at the next meeting for council.

1945
02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:03,210
Well, can't the head of that commission just come and give us a report?

1946
02:48:03,210 --> 02:48:10,770
Yeah, so we have an item coming in the first meeting in February for that for

1947
02:48:10,770 --> 02:48:15,350
a revised ordinance. Okay, so that's coming. Great. Thank you.

1948
02:48:15,610 --> 02:48:21,910
Is that okay? Is that conclude council comments? Do we want to break before we dive in to 8 a.

1949
02:48:22,910 --> 02:48:26,430
Okay, so we're going to take let's be back here at 8.25.

1950
02:48:29,530 --> 02:48:33,510
Let's go over let's actually be back here at 825.

1951
03:06:00,750 --> 03:06:06,390
Okay, we're back from our amended agenda. We're on the item A.

1952
03:06:10,870 --> 03:06:11,430
So,

1953
03:06:13,610 --> 03:06:14,890
who's giving the presentation?

1954
03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:33,080
A, hailer? Okay, Bruce? Sure. I wish I'd actually done a power point. Okay, so I'm hoping the council have all read this. I know that the residents have.

1955
03:06:33,080 --> 03:06:50,420
This is a proposal to adopt a City Council resolution that will formalize many of the policies that I think we've informally already put into place, as well as put some additional meat on their bones.

1956
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:52,760
So I'll just walk through them.

1957
03:06:52,760 --> 03:06:59,640
I mean, it starts off with a just a general statement of policy, which is, which I think we all agree on,

1958
03:07:00,260 --> 03:07:05,600
which is that we declare, but this will not just be for the fires that have occurred.

1959
03:07:06,040 --> 03:07:12,300
This will be a policy of the city of Malibu going forward in less than until a future, if we adopt it,

1960
03:07:12,320 --> 03:07:17,280
in less than until a future City Council were to change it, for dealing with casualties,

1961
03:07:17,280 --> 03:07:20,680
It's natural casualties of this site.

1962
03:07:20,980 --> 03:07:26,420
So it says we declare it to be the policy of the city of Malibu to facilitate the expeditious,

1963
03:07:26,620 --> 03:07:31,680
efficient, and economical rebuild of all structures in the city, destroyed, or

1964
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:35,920
materially damaged by wildfire earthquake, which is yet to come.

1965
03:07:36,740 --> 03:07:41,820
Flood, landslide, mudslide, or similar disaster, key now,

1966
03:07:41,820 --> 03:07:55,060
Now, in substantially the same location as the destroyer damage structure, and in a lake for lake matter that does not exceed 100% of the area height or bulk of the structure destroyed or materially damaged.

1967
03:07:55,820 --> 03:08:08,740
So this is basically memorializing as a city council policy that we want when there are disasters of this nature to see rebuild in a lake for lake matter.

1968
03:08:08,740 --> 03:08:14,300
And we want to encourage them to be able to be done in an efficient, expeditious, and economical manner.

1969
03:08:15,700 --> 03:08:20,060
So then we get into what are we going to do pursuant to that policy if we adopt it?

1970
03:08:20,620 --> 03:08:28,360
First of all, we're going to ensure that nobody that works for the city directly or as an outsider.

1971
03:08:28,840 --> 03:08:31,980
It's going to impose any requirements that aren't in the law.

1972
03:08:31,980 --> 03:08:41,700
So, and a great example of that is, remember, we spent a lot of time dealing with what is going to be the base elevation on the beach.

1973
03:08:42,420 --> 03:08:54,920
And we did a lot of back and forth with staff and experts, and we came to the understanding that the only applicable law outside of, the only applicable law was it had to be FEMA plus one.

1974
03:08:54,920 --> 03:09:02,040
I guess one could argue that wasn't even the law, but that was the only applicable restriction that was other than something we would make up.

1975
03:09:02,380 --> 03:09:07,920
There was no other federal, state, county, or city, law in place that would dictate the height.

1976
03:09:08,640 --> 03:09:13,860
But we needed to adopt a policy of what the height was going to be, what the base level elevations could be.

1977
03:09:14,020 --> 03:09:22,180
Well, had we employed this policy from day one, and this will be if we have this policy, one day one going forward,

1978
03:09:22,180 --> 03:09:24,400
We wouldn't have had to have any of that discussion.

1979
03:09:24,620 --> 03:09:31,940
The staff would have simply looked at what the law is, come to the recognition that the only applicable law was being a plus one, and applied it.

1980
03:09:32,120 --> 03:09:37,940
And the City Council would not have had to have been involved in that, the community wouldn't have had to be involved in that, and a lot of time would have been saved.

1981
03:09:39,080 --> 03:09:43,060
I'm not smart enough to know what all the other situations are going to be.

1982
03:09:43,360 --> 03:09:49,480
None of us are, I suspect, going forward that are going to come up, and someone's going to say, well, what are we going to do in this circumstance?

1983
03:09:49,480 --> 03:09:52,740
The answer we're saying should be very clear.

1984
03:09:53,440 --> 03:09:55,620
Forget what you might want to see done.

1985
03:09:56,180 --> 03:09:59,660
Let's look to the law, let's look to federal law, because that governs here,

1986
03:09:59,700 --> 03:10:04,460
whether we like it or not, a state law, the county law, and our existing municipal code.

1987
03:10:04,660 --> 03:10:10,600
And don't impose any restriction or requirement whatsoever that's not already embedded in those laws.

1988
03:10:10,780 --> 03:10:15,380
Now we also have the ability obviously to look at our municipal code and say, let's liberalize that.

1989
03:10:15,380 --> 03:10:19,660
That, we can't liberalize it beyond the requirements of a superior law, but

1990
03:10:19,660 --> 03:10:21,780
we can liberalize it where it's more strict.

1991
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:26,200
But any event that says don't apply any rule that's not already in place,

1992
03:10:26,920 --> 03:10:28,840
don't go looking for more restrictions.

1993
03:10:30,860 --> 03:10:36,240
There's a provision in here that I've heard a lot of comments about in two different directions.

1994
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:42,000
It says in so doing any doubt, and by the way, again, only for

1995
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:50,080
like for like rebuilds, not for a non-disaster build and not for a rebuild that's not in tune

1996
03:10:50,080 --> 03:10:50,900
with like for like.

1997
03:10:51,000 --> 03:10:56,260
If somebody wants to build something that's 150% of what was there, this doesn't apply

1998
03:10:56,260 --> 03:10:56,880
to them whatsoever.

1999
03:10:58,340 --> 03:11:04,100
So when we're doing that, any doubt respecting the application of a legal requirement, we're

2000
03:11:04,100 --> 03:11:08,160
the manner of its application respecting a like for like disaster rebuild.

2001
03:11:08,160 --> 03:11:13,940
Should be resolved in favor of the city's policy to facilitate this expeditious rebuild.

2002
03:11:14,760 --> 03:11:18,120
And to that end, this is the one I've heard a lot of comments in both directions.

2003
03:11:18,540 --> 03:11:34,240
Whenever there's a difference of opinion on an issue that the Director of Community Development Department defined as the CDD Director, and we know that at this moment in time that you'll on the recognizes to be a difference of opinion upon which reasonable professional civil engineers might differ.

2004
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:39,340
The city's staff shall defer to the stamped and certified decision of the civil engineer.

2005
03:11:39,720 --> 03:11:40,700
There's other language in there.

2006
03:11:41,240 --> 03:11:43,100
Now, let's make clear what that means.

2007
03:11:43,900 --> 03:11:47,960
It doesn't mean that some residents have said in advocating for this.

2008
03:11:48,260 --> 03:11:52,980
Whatever my design professional says, I'm now going to get that and the city's going to have to defer to it.

2009
03:11:53,220 --> 03:12:03,700
Because your design professional may be advocating for something, which the CDD director doesn't believe is within the reasonable range of alternatives that are available.

2010
03:12:03,700 --> 03:12:04,460
into the building code.

2011
03:12:06,810 --> 03:12:11,390
What it does mean is that where there's a range of alternatives

2012
03:12:11,390 --> 03:12:15,730
that are available, all of which satisfy the applicable code, it's usually got to do

2013
03:12:15,730 --> 03:12:19,410
with safety, where there's a range of things that could be done to satisfy the safety requirement.

2014
03:12:21,190 --> 03:12:25,470
Some design engineers are going to say, we want to do the absolute strongest thing possible.

2015
03:12:25,550 --> 03:12:28,690
In fact, some are going to say more than what's required. Others are going to say,

2016
03:12:28,770 --> 03:12:33,410
I want to do the owner of the property may say, I want to do the absolute minimum that I'm

2017
03:12:33,410 --> 03:12:39,310
required to do to meet the law. And what this is saying is when it comes to the staff

2018
03:12:39,970 --> 03:12:46,910
as long as in the opinion of the director, and obviously it will also be lower level people

2019
03:12:46,910 --> 03:12:51,530
who will first look at the question, as long as it's something which does fall within

2020
03:12:51,530 --> 03:12:57,850
that range, we're not going to debate with the resident or their design professionals as

2021
03:12:57,850 --> 03:13:01,670
to whether they ought to be doing something better or more safe.

2022
03:13:01,670 --> 03:13:05,790
As long as it's at the level that is the minimum required by the law,

2023
03:13:05,930 --> 03:13:07,810
again, this is consistent with the first thing.

2024
03:13:08,170 --> 03:13:10,330
We're not going to impose any rule greater than the law.

2025
03:13:10,890 --> 03:13:13,030
So the FEMA thing would be a great example.

2026
03:13:13,350 --> 03:13:18,170
I think some people had advocated at one point, FEMA plus one, isn't really good enough.

2027
03:13:18,290 --> 03:13:22,270
There should be some greater allocation for sea level rise.

2028
03:13:22,470 --> 03:13:24,010
We wouldn't be thinking about those things.

2029
03:13:24,330 --> 03:13:28,710
It's just a question of what is a reasonable application of the law?

2030
03:13:30,790 --> 03:13:38,150
The next thing is that we are encouraging that every reasonable and legally permissible effort

2031
03:13:38,150 --> 03:13:44,410
be pursued to liberalize the process for securing building code approvals, again, for like-for-like

2032
03:13:44,410 --> 03:13:45,610
disaster rebuild.

2033
03:13:48,710 --> 03:13:54,070
You know, this is not an indication of doing anything that's not both reasonable and

2034
03:13:54,070 --> 03:14:18,010
So, these are policies, these are to make clear that we want to see homes rebuilt, we want to see them be rebuilt, like for like as best we can, and we want to make it as painless as possible to do it, recognizing obviously we can't solve insurance issues, we can't solve state laws that are more onerous than we might want them to be, we're stuck with them.

2035
03:14:22,870 --> 03:14:33,230
This says that we will, where we find an issue that is impacting our residents, that we don't have the ability to overcome.

2036
03:14:33,790 --> 03:14:41,070
We will advocate to the state that it look into the issue and see what can be done to help relax the requirement.

2037
03:14:41,490 --> 03:14:43,270
The answer may be there is nothing that could be done.

2038
03:14:43,710 --> 03:14:48,230
But again, we will do what we can do to try to get the requirement relaxed.

2039
03:14:48,230 --> 03:14:51,890
So that if it's relaxed, more people can do more.

2040
03:14:55,360 --> 03:14:59,900
So a lot of other particular things, which I think I'll just leave it to others to come.

2041
03:15:01,170 --> 03:15:29,450
Item 4, which I think is an important one, is that when dealing with the like for like disaster rebuilds, it's imperative that our staff members are focused on finding ways to get to yes. And importantly, this states, by the same token, when we're not dealing with disaster rebuilds, we need the staff to still be focused on the mission statement and the vision statement.

2042
03:15:29,450 --> 03:15:35,490
And the reason for this paragraph is, it's been said to me and I grew up it by the staff.

2043
03:15:36,050 --> 03:15:41,850
How do we justify going out of our way to bend over backwards to get this done over here?

2044
03:15:42,310 --> 03:15:46,910
And then when someone else comes to us and wants the same accommodation, not provide that.

2045
03:15:47,130 --> 03:15:50,850
How do we, how do we decide who's entitled to an accommodation and who's not?

2046
03:15:51,090 --> 03:15:55,850
And the answer is right here in a city council policy, if it's adopted, if it's a disaster rebuild.

2047
03:15:55,850 --> 03:15:58,770
And it's a, which means it's a lake for lake and it came out of the disaster.

2048
03:15:59,450 --> 03:16:05,230
We're gonna use all of these tools in our toolbox that we can to make it as easy as possible.

2049
03:16:05,930 --> 03:16:11,370
And this says when someone who's doing a regular 5,000 square foot build on point doom,

2050
03:16:11,370 --> 03:16:15,470
and they want the same accommodation, and they're saying, why am I not getting it?

2051
03:16:15,550 --> 03:16:19,970
The answer is right here, because this policy of the city council is that you're not getting that.

2052
03:16:20,630 --> 03:16:22,130
This is for the rebuilds.

2053
03:16:22,730 --> 03:16:33,350
It's not to say that you're not going to get fair treatment if you're building something large or new, but you're just not going to get the special treatment that we are creating for disaster rebuilds.

2054
03:16:34,930 --> 03:16:50,010
Other than that, most of the things in here are things that Yolanda has already told us she has put into place or is putting in place, and this is, again, at kind of codifying from a city council standpoint, that these things we agree with them.

2055
03:16:50,010 --> 03:16:53,490
And one may ask, why do we need to do this?

2056
03:16:53,690 --> 03:16:55,170
Why bother putting this in writing?

2057
03:16:55,690 --> 03:17:00,790
Well, first of all, it shows that we support what's being done.

2058
03:17:01,830 --> 03:17:07,910
Secondly, we would like to think Yolanda's going to be with us for the indefinite future.

2059
03:17:08,490 --> 03:17:10,370
But who knows what can happen?

2060
03:17:11,290 --> 03:17:13,190
Yolanda, something could happen to Yolanda.

2061
03:17:13,530 --> 03:17:17,330
We want to make sure whoever's in that position knows this is the city council's policy.

2062
03:17:17,330 --> 03:17:19,590
this is what their marching orders are.

2063
03:17:20,210 --> 03:17:24,010
And more important, down the line, you have five years from now, we're going to have another disaster.

2064
03:17:25,190 --> 03:17:29,230
And when we do, we don't have to sit down here and recreate the wheel again.

2065
03:17:29,690 --> 03:17:31,710
It's already here, it'll be in a policy.

2066
03:17:32,370 --> 03:17:35,470
Maybe there'll be new issues that will come up and the city council,

2067
03:17:35,490 --> 03:17:37,590
then we'll have to decide what to do with the new issues.

2068
03:17:38,010 --> 03:17:39,130
But there'll be a policy.

2069
03:17:39,230 --> 03:17:43,230
They can pull it out of the drawer, they read it, they know exactly how to deal with these issues.

2070
03:17:43,230 --> 03:17:46,050
they weren't one-offs for the Palisades fire.

2071
03:17:46,670 --> 03:17:50,210
They were things we learned about how to make this process better,

2072
03:17:50,730 --> 03:17:54,950
and we are now putting our impromatour on them and saying, henceforth,

2073
03:17:55,070 --> 03:17:58,390
when there's a casualty of this nature, this is the way to approach it.

2074
03:17:59,810 --> 03:18:03,850
So, I'm sure I'm going to hear from other council members what's wrong with these things,

2075
03:18:03,970 --> 03:18:05,190
because that's just the way this works.

2076
03:18:05,830 --> 03:18:09,030
But I think a lot of this is a no-brainer.

2077
03:18:09,310 --> 03:18:11,950
I know the residents, for the most part, want this.

2078
03:18:11,950 --> 03:18:18,210
And one of our roles as City Council members is to try to do as best we can what our constituents want

2079
03:18:18,990 --> 03:18:20,850
So this is an effort to do that

2080
03:18:21,650 --> 03:18:30,110
To do it in a way that doesn't put undue pressure on the staff in a way, which I actually think makes it easier for the staff

2081
03:18:30,110 --> 03:18:33,680
because it gives them further clear direction as to how to do things and

2082
03:18:34,930 --> 03:18:35,990
How do you want anything?

2083
03:18:39,890 --> 03:18:45,030
I think we can open it up to public comment and council comments.

2084
03:18:45,650 --> 03:18:50,050
We can answer any questions there might be first from the council, but you know, this also

2085
03:18:50,050 --> 03:18:56,330
was written as a result of sitting here and at other meetings for the last year, listening

2086
03:18:56,330 --> 03:19:03,850
to residents' comments, hearing debate on the council, hearing from the staff, so it's all

2087
03:19:03,850 --> 03:19:11,690
All in effort to consolidate everything that we've been doing for the past year, what we've learned makes sense.

2088
03:19:12,230 --> 03:19:18,810
It doesn't address the things I think that we didn't think make sense, and with hope, this or some version of it will get approved.

2089
03:19:19,070 --> 03:19:25,130
I think that we've done a great job as council, I think the staff has done a great job, like we've been through a disaster.

2090
03:19:25,690 --> 03:19:32,370
And it's been a year, and the residents, we've listened, and it's been hours and hours and hours and hours of information, really.

2091
03:19:32,370 --> 03:19:37,270
and this is a culmination of it, and like Bruce said, God forbid we have an earthquake in

2092
03:19:38,080 --> 03:19:44,690
a year or eight months or something. It's sort of just a playbook of what we've done,

2093
03:19:45,970 --> 03:19:50,970
memorializing this, so it's not all wasted. So I mean, I've gone through hundreds of hours of

2094
03:19:50,970 --> 03:19:56,850
ex-counsel members meetings through Woolsey to see what they've done. Things like this are just

2095
03:19:56,850 --> 03:20:02,310
important for the future to be able to just kind of pull up and say this is how

2096
03:20:03,090 --> 03:20:06,470
Palisay's is dealt with and I certainly do not want this to come across as a

2097
03:20:07,050 --> 03:20:12,190
criticism of anybody on staff or in general. It just seems like we're counsel

2098
03:20:12,190 --> 03:20:17,290
people and we make policies and this is a policy and it and we've talked about it so

2099
03:20:17,290 --> 03:20:22,610
we just want to memorialize it. And if there weren't for the Brown Act we would have

2100
03:20:22,610 --> 03:20:26,370
sat down together at a conference room and hammered it out but we aren't allowed to do

2101
03:20:26,370 --> 03:20:32,610
That would have been really fun if we could have done this together, but instead this is the process in which

2102
03:20:32,610 --> 03:20:37,650
We have to do it in under these lights. That's it

2103
03:20:38,230 --> 03:20:41,610
I mean, I think I'd like to define a flat pad that came up

2104
03:20:43,010 --> 03:20:46,170
Maybe merit like being building safety you know

2105
03:20:46,990 --> 03:20:50,530
What a flat pad is that's something that I need to clarify

2106
03:20:55,490 --> 03:20:58,290
We've talked about case managers over and over and over again

2107
03:20:58,930 --> 03:21:00,170
That's in number five.

2108
03:21:03,130 --> 03:21:05,550
Continuous support advocacy, problem resolution.

2109
03:21:05,590 --> 03:21:08,370
These are all things that they're doing anyway.

2110
03:21:08,630 --> 03:21:13,230
It's just kind of putting it in permanence.

2111
03:21:16,040 --> 03:21:18,260
Any council members have clarifying questions

2112
03:21:18,260 --> 03:21:19,480
before we go to public comment?

2113
03:21:21,610 --> 03:21:22,930
How many online speakers do we have?

2114
03:21:25,450 --> 03:21:26,270
There's one raise hand.

2115
03:21:26,630 --> 03:21:27,270
Two raise hands.

2116
03:21:28,450 --> 03:21:29,790
Give it 30 seconds.

2117
03:21:29,790 --> 03:21:42,460
Okay, Kevin Keegan, followed by Danny, and Leah's here, and Luis is here, okay.

2118
03:21:43,560 --> 03:21:45,000
And then after Danny, it's Darren.

2119
03:21:52,600 --> 03:21:53,640
I am Kevin Keegan.

2120
03:21:54,900 --> 03:22:02,140
This disaster rebuild policy resolution proposed tonight is a step toward addressing the City Council specific action items.

2121
03:22:02,140 --> 03:22:08,980
may approve ten Silverstein described in his article published by the Malibu Times in July of last year.

2122
03:22:09,800 --> 03:22:21,680
While overdue, I thank Council members Silverstein and Conrad sincerely for focusing attention on what the City Council with his unique powers can do to accelerate the disaster rebuild process in Malibu.

2123
03:22:22,220 --> 03:22:30,340
The two Council members are offering a pro-rebuild path forward, meanwhile the City staff are doing all they can within their current capabilities.

2124
03:22:30,340 --> 03:22:34,360
What's missing is focused policy action like this resolution.

2125
03:22:34,920 --> 03:22:36,640
I have a few general comments and questions.

2126
03:22:37,420 --> 03:22:42,440
This policy resolution is forward thinking, highlighting future threats of quote, wildfire,

2127
03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:47,360
earthquake, flood, landslide, mudslide, or similar disaster, close quote.

2128
03:22:47,820 --> 03:22:52,860
This council has an opportunity to better position residents to be able to rebuild exponentially,

2129
03:22:53,440 --> 03:22:54,820
whenever a disaster strikes.

2130
03:22:54,820 --> 03:23:07,860
Where appropriate to help address liability concerns, consider including a mandatory assumption of risk and release signature step if residents choose to engage in an expedited disaster rebuild process.

2131
03:23:08,600 --> 03:23:17,880
For item number two in the proposed resolution, I ask for consideration in that paragraph of replacing the words, words must and should with the word shall.

2132
03:23:17,880 --> 03:23:24,200
Item number six in this proposed resolution offers a real opportunity for residents who are rebuilding.

2133
03:23:24,600 --> 03:23:32,560
Specifically, item six states, quote, there must also be a measurable time period between submission of a completed PV plan check or

2134
03:23:32,560 --> 03:23:36,780
building permit application and approval or deny thereof, close quote.

2135
03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:42,000
But many Malibu property owners one are estimated time frames for rebuild projects.

2136
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:57,740
A time-free zone around rebuilds hinders the process, giving property owners a reasonable level of predictability around what the time commitment for disaster rebuild process will entail would offer current residents helpful incentives to stay and rebuild.

2137
03:23:58,280 --> 03:24:10,660
Lastly, item number eight is important because it states, quote, the city shall establish targets, goals and metrics for reviews that are published and tracked to identify areas of continuous improvement, close quote.

2138
03:24:10,660 --> 03:24:17,280
I also ask in that statement in number 8 be revised to include approvals along with reviews.

2139
03:24:17,720 --> 03:24:23,600
So it would read the city shall establish target schools and metrics for reviews and approvals.

2140
03:24:23,960 --> 03:24:26,520
Those are my comments and questions on this resolution.

2141
03:24:27,080 --> 03:24:32,760
Tonight, please make those edits and approve this policy resolution for disaster rebuilds in Malibu.

2142
03:24:32,940 --> 03:24:33,300
Thank you.

2143
03:24:34,110 --> 03:24:34,720
Thank you.

2144
03:24:35,480 --> 03:24:37,200
Danny, followed by Darren,

2145
03:24:39,530 --> 03:24:40,610
followed by Arno,

2146
03:24:42,700 --> 03:24:43,740
you have five minutes.

2147
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:44,480
Thank you.

2148
03:24:45,820 --> 03:24:50,260
This is historical policy making to meet an historical moment.

2149
03:24:50,840 --> 03:24:56,180
It is a bold and visionary plan for the present, as well as it must be said the future.

2150
03:24:56,740 --> 03:24:58,440
We lost 700 homes.

2151
03:24:58,960 --> 03:25:00,320
We're going to lose more.

2152
03:25:00,660 --> 03:25:03,920
That is the reality of living in this special place.

2153
03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:11,890
This, we choose how we respond to these events, and it has to be said, we must do better.

2154
03:25:13,410 --> 03:25:15,710
Twenty-two permits in a year.

2155
03:25:16,870 --> 03:25:19,090
It is unfathomable failure.

2156
03:25:21,090 --> 03:25:24,930
The low bar set by the Woolsey Fire has somehow been outdone.

2157
03:25:25,710 --> 03:25:28,570
It's as if we're playing limbo with our own failures.

2158
03:25:29,410 --> 03:25:30,490
How low can we go?

2159
03:25:31,890 --> 03:25:33,050
A couple of points.

2160
03:25:33,050 --> 03:25:37,550
points, please don't let the words self-certification be heard tonight.

2161
03:25:39,010 --> 03:25:40,150
That's not what this is.

2162
03:25:40,310 --> 03:25:41,670
This is not self-certification.

2163
03:25:42,110 --> 03:25:47,090
Self-certification is homeowners going off on their own until the inspectors show up.

2164
03:25:47,670 --> 03:25:52,870
This is homeowners and their professionals submitting plans, an inherent peer review process

2165
03:25:53,440 --> 03:25:56,350
and debating reasonable professional opinions.

2166
03:25:56,970 --> 03:25:59,290
There's nothing being done blind here or under cover.

2167
03:26:00,290 --> 03:26:05,730
Please don't let the word liability risk, words liability risk come out of your mouth.

2168
03:26:06,190 --> 03:26:09,370
Other jurisdictions are doing this and they're doing more.

2169
03:26:10,090 --> 03:26:14,930
Half the homes in Malibu today have assumptions of risk recorded against them because 20 years

2170
03:26:14,930 --> 03:26:18,690
ago, somebody wanted to remodel and they were told by Malibu that you're in a seismically

2171
03:26:18,690 --> 03:26:19,570
hazardous area.

2172
03:26:19,730 --> 03:26:20,450
Yeah, I know.

2173
03:26:20,630 --> 03:26:21,530
We're in Southern California.

2174
03:26:22,710 --> 03:26:26,690
So these waivers of liability are something that Malibu has always been comfortable employing.

2175
03:26:26,690 --> 03:26:28,430
Let's do it again, if we have to.

2176
03:26:29,230 --> 03:26:30,290
In fact, I have one.

2177
03:26:30,490 --> 03:26:31,130
Let me read it.

2178
03:26:31,610 --> 03:26:32,130
Residles.

2179
03:26:32,890 --> 03:26:35,790
Property owner desires to take certain actions.

2180
03:26:36,210 --> 03:26:41,530
Property owner desires to assume all risk relating to and arising from the issuance of a building permit

2181
03:26:41,530 --> 03:26:49,570
for said addition, repair, rehabilitation, and remodel work, including risks relating to the city's negligent issuance of such a building permit.

2182
03:26:50,010 --> 03:26:51,350
Going on, assumption of risk.

2183
03:26:51,910 --> 03:26:55,810
Property owner hereby assumes all risk of damages to the property, blah, blah, blah.

2184
03:26:55,810 --> 03:26:58,070
out of the city issuing the building permit.

2185
03:26:58,650 --> 03:27:06,730
Release, property owner hereby releases and discharges city, its officers, employees, and agents from any and all claims for losses, damages, or liabilities.

2186
03:27:07,970 --> 03:27:13,690
We have these, so please Trevor, don't tell anybody that this can't be done, or it's even hard to do.

2187
03:27:14,210 --> 03:27:15,290
It's in your computer.

2188
03:27:16,410 --> 03:27:22,430
This resolution will provide a framework for our recovery, you know in your hearts that it is needed.

2189
03:27:22,430 --> 03:27:28,910
If this city has a hope of resuscitation, if our businesses have a hope of surviving,

2190
03:27:29,410 --> 03:27:35,750
we have to get these houses back online, expeditiously, efficiently, economically.

2191
03:27:38,110 --> 03:27:43,590
I'm staring at photos and the hallway tonight of my neighbor's house is burning down.

2192
03:27:45,790 --> 03:27:46,610
We have to help.

2193
03:27:47,270 --> 03:27:51,830
We have to do all we can, and I'm sorry, you haven't.

2194
03:27:54,010 --> 03:27:54,770
Now is your chance.

2195
03:27:55,330 --> 03:27:56,370
Please vote for this.

2196
03:27:56,890 --> 03:28:01,130
If you do not vote for this, this most impactful of policy resolutions,

2197
03:28:01,550 --> 03:28:06,930
then you are directly complicit in what continues to be a disastrous recovery.

2198
03:28:08,410 --> 03:28:12,790
This will be your legacy, and for some of you, you will be running against it in November.

2199
03:28:15,010 --> 03:28:16,250
22 permits in a year.

2200
03:28:16,710 --> 03:28:19,610
Your plane from behind now is the time to play catch-up.

2201
03:28:20,010 --> 03:28:20,470
Thank you.

2202
03:28:21,510 --> 03:28:22,230
Thank you.

2203
03:28:22,230 --> 03:28:22,290
Thank you.

2204
03:28:22,930 --> 03:28:27,350
Darren, followed by Arno, followed by Scott Deuter.

2205
03:28:32,530 --> 03:28:37,810
Good evening, once again, and thank you for taking the time to listen, but also thank

2206
03:28:37,810 --> 03:28:38,990
you for putting this together.

2207
03:28:39,710 --> 03:28:44,910
It was a pleasure to read that this was coming up onto the Council agenda again.

2208
03:28:45,670 --> 03:28:47,930
And please vote in favor of it.

2209
03:28:48,710 --> 03:28:53,510
Earlier, there was some discussion about what is the lag between planning verification and

2210
03:28:53,510 --> 03:28:54,390
building plan check.

2211
03:28:54,390 --> 03:29:01,530
and my family were in that lag, and the lag is due to the timeline to design something, it does take time.

2212
03:29:02,030 --> 03:29:09,610
So this resolution of efficient, expeditious, and economical provisions to help everybody reduce that timeline is very much appreciated.

2213
03:29:10,270 --> 03:29:23,930
We submitted for our PV on December 1st, got it on December 23rd, our submittal date for our building plan check is June of this year, and that's because of geotechnical considerations, coastal engineering considerations, structural engineering considerations.

2214
03:29:23,930 --> 03:29:30,330
MEP design considerations, and the time it takes to put together a planning application and a plan check set.

2215
03:29:30,670 --> 03:29:38,310
I'm also anticipating an approval in October of 2026, and that takes into consideration two rounds of back checks if needed.

2216
03:29:38,850 --> 03:29:45,690
I say that I know it sounds crazy, but I've been responsible and I've obtained approvals for

2217
03:29:45,690 --> 03:29:51,610
change orders that are upwards of 30,000 square feet within two days in hospitals and

2218
03:29:51,610 --> 03:29:52,990
health care centers in California.

2219
03:29:53,590 --> 03:29:58,410
So if that's possible, then a 1,200 square foot house on the beach should be possible within three months.

2220
03:29:58,830 --> 03:29:59,970
This resolution is-

2221
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:02,100
Is a right step in that direction.

2222
03:30:04,220 --> 03:30:29,940
I would like to ask one thing, and it's just to approve it and also to require design professional engagement in the process. This resolution defends the intent of the code if there's ever a discrepancy between Yolanda, Tyler, a plan checker, and the design professionals. Well, it's a design, design professionals job to reference the code.

2223
03:30:29,940 --> 03:30:35,660
So defend their design in relation to the code, and that should be what we are building.

2224
03:30:36,080 --> 03:30:41,100
So item one of this resolution defends that notion, and so I'm in full support of it.

2225
03:30:41,380 --> 03:30:42,920
So thank you once again for your consideration.

2226
03:30:43,820 --> 03:30:44,660
Thank you.

2227
03:30:45,160 --> 03:30:51,160
Arnau, you have four minutes followed by Scott Dietrich followed by Janet Volk.

2228
03:30:55,690 --> 03:30:56,110
Good evening.

2229
03:30:56,810 --> 03:30:57,950
Tell everyone how that.

2230
03:30:58,230 --> 03:31:00,670
Could you give it four minutes please.

2231
03:31:01,530 --> 03:31:01,730
Thank you.

2232
03:31:02,070 --> 03:31:02,390
Thank you.

2233
03:31:03,270 --> 03:31:06,890
Once in a while I learn new English words.

2234
03:31:07,550 --> 03:31:11,190
I learned one last week to show something through,

2235
03:31:11,990 --> 03:31:14,010
like to shoot chickens into a chicken coop.

2236
03:31:14,230 --> 03:31:19,770
A lot of items, some only formalities,

2237
03:31:19,770 --> 03:31:21,330
took months to implement.

2238
03:31:22,310 --> 03:31:24,550
Wouldn't it be nice to have a plan in the drawer

2239
03:31:24,550 --> 03:31:27,030
that we could pull out when a disaster happens

2240
03:31:27,030 --> 03:31:30,510
and snap our fingers and do all those things immediately

2241
03:31:30,510 --> 03:31:33,910
for future disaster survivors.

2242
03:31:35,540 --> 03:31:41,910
We had formalities that we knew we would implement, like, for example, the fee waiver program

2243
03:31:41,910 --> 03:31:44,170
that took us nine months to implement.

2244
03:31:46,220 --> 03:31:50,720
There's a host of other things that were discussed in council meetings and eventually

2245
03:31:50,720 --> 03:31:57,280
approved, like fee waivers, MEP, AOW2S for beachfront, wave-uproach, fixture accounts, implementing

2246
03:31:57,280 --> 03:32:04,040
zones and zone captains, review time, fuel modification, landscaping, and this goes on.

2247
03:32:04,740 --> 03:32:08,460
Each item was passed like a kidney stone.

2248
03:32:11,320 --> 03:32:16,940
This is not an invitation to go into the weeds and dissect each of those items for the purpose

2249
03:32:16,940 --> 03:32:18,460
of derailing the key point.

2250
03:32:18,840 --> 03:32:24,800
I just mentioned them here for everyone to remember that we did not just spend time on educating

2251
03:32:24,800 --> 03:32:31,600
the rebuilders, but that significant changes were made, many of which need to be preserved

2252
03:32:31,600 --> 03:32:40,900
and the key point is we need to be faster next time. We need to be prepared on a different level.

2253
03:32:42,020 --> 03:32:48,140
There's not an accusation that those decisions took an undue amount of time. The city had to be run.

2254
03:32:48,140 --> 03:32:49,240
There

2255
03:32:51,410 --> 03:32:55,070
were other top priorities like people dying on PCH.

2256
03:32:56,250 --> 03:32:58,870
Things had to be flushed out and we learned as we went.

2257
03:32:59,850 --> 03:33:06,060
We can blame the people who made those decisions and we can have compassion, but it doesn't

2258
03:33:06,060 --> 03:33:09,180
change the fact that it did take a long time.

2259
03:33:10,270 --> 03:33:13,200
We couldn't drop everything and do only rebuilds.

2260
03:33:13,760 --> 03:33:14,780
We won't next time.

2261
03:33:15,720 --> 03:33:16,780
We need to prepare.

2262
03:33:16,780 --> 03:33:24,020
I want you to remember that voting yes on this item doesn't approve a specific list

2263
03:33:24,020 --> 03:33:30,520
of things that will then railroad future councils and the future city of Malibu into

2264
03:33:30,520 --> 03:33:33,420
do things that will be to their disadvantage.

2265
03:33:36,130 --> 03:33:43,230
So what this plan that we have in our draw will effectively look like in detail will be subject

2266
03:33:43,230 --> 03:33:51,190
to being fleshed out and decided upon, deliberately, intelligently and with discretion.

2267
03:33:52,960 --> 03:33:58,210
But each and every one of you by voting on this agenda item will show colors,

2268
03:34:01,600 --> 03:34:02,420
show if

2269
03:34:02,420 --> 03:34:04,220
you are re-electable or not,

2270
03:34:06,460 --> 03:34:10,780
because you will say yes to 8a because you understand Malibu

2271
03:34:10,780 --> 03:34:18,200
and have you have genuinely comprehended what went wrong in this year.

2272
03:34:20,340 --> 03:34:20,660
Or you

2273
03:34:20,660 --> 03:34:24,880
won't know because you have not comprehended what happened last year and do not

2274
03:34:24,880 --> 03:34:33,880
understand Malibu and what it means to respond appropriately to a disaster. I

2275
03:34:33,880 --> 03:34:35,060
trust you do understand.

2276
03:34:39,590 --> 03:34:41,330
Let's show this through from

2277
03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:47,640
Malibu and for the future

2278
03:34:47,640 --> 03:34:54,440
Dr. Elderly and the future children that will lose everything,

2279
03:34:56,670 --> 03:34:57,690
thank you.

2280
03:35:00,470 --> 03:35:03,430
Scott, followed by Janet, followed by Abroy.

2281
03:35:07,320 --> 03:35:08,440
Good evening again.

2282
03:35:11,190 --> 03:35:11,510
Bless you.

2283
03:35:11,690 --> 03:35:12,090
On

2284
03:35:14,650 --> 03:35:17,090
January 8th,

2285
03:35:19,460 --> 03:35:20,080
we were in shock.

2286
03:35:20,740 --> 03:35:23,960
That shock carried on through much of the year.

2287
03:35:26,720 --> 03:35:27,820
We're now over it.

2288
03:35:28,240 --> 03:35:31,840
We've heard so much input.

2289
03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:40,400
But on why we need this type of measure, policy decision by you guys.

2290
03:35:41,380 --> 03:35:44,360
I'm not a Geotechnical Engineer,

2291
03:35:46,740 --> 03:35:49,260
but I know something about mathematics.

2292
03:35:50,540 --> 03:36:01,560
22 permits in one year translates into 27 years to rebuild 600 homes.

2293
03:36:02,480 --> 03:36:10,080
We can't wait that long. Our staff, Yolanda Tyler and the rest are busting their bucks.

2294
03:36:11,300 --> 03:36:16,980
You guys are working overtime. I had to laugh at that one guy who wanted to criticize

2295
03:36:16,980 --> 03:36:27,180
Steve saying you guys are having fun up there. Maybe not. I'm a zone captain in Rambla Pacifico.

2296
03:36:28,060 --> 03:36:36,520
One of my neighbors at 3, 2, 9, 4, Rambla is 82 years old.

2297
03:36:36,980 --> 03:36:45,300
He got immediately into planning and trying to move it forward.

2298
03:36:45,960 --> 03:36:52,780
Now some of his delay was due to his geotechnical engineer because I was talking to Yeland and

2299
03:36:52,780 --> 03:36:54,240
I don't have that paperwork.

2300
03:36:54,240 --> 03:37:02,880
work. But there's too much that carries on and goes on and goes on. And it does relate

2301
03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:14,160
to GEO with this proposal. I think it frees up Yolanda to push things through. It's going

2302
03:37:14,160 --> 03:37:21,680
to make it easier, not more difficult because there are certain things that need to be done.

2303
03:37:21,680 --> 03:37:30,780
Now, what I do have is a bit of common sense, and if a house has been there for 40 years

2304
03:37:32,220 --> 03:37:38,940
and the slab's still good and there's no cracks and it's certified by a geotechnical engineer,

2305
03:37:39,460 --> 03:37:44,860
you should be able to assume that it can be rebuilt.

2306
03:37:44,860 --> 03:37:51,640
like for like not even like for like plus 10 that's kind of a simple assumption

2307
03:37:51,640 --> 03:38:00,760
that I think we could utilize so I do urge you pass this it's a wonderful

2308
03:38:00,760 --> 03:38:08,260
step forward and it really emphasizes that you guys are behind rebuilding and

2309
03:38:08,260 --> 03:38:09,380
and quickly, thank you.

2310
03:38:10,040 --> 03:38:14,560
Thanks Scott, Janet, followed by Abe, followed

2311
03:38:17,030 --> 03:38:18,190
by Brian, Merrick.

2312
03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:23,700
Good evening, all of you.

2313
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:33,880
These remarks are targeted toward putting the requests in AA into a sort of a positive historical perspective on our own very special city.

2314
03:38:34,920 --> 03:38:43,240
And to do that, I'd take you back to 1993, 1994, to the old Topanga fire that burned 369 homes.

2315
03:38:43,240 --> 03:38:48,840
of which 268 were in a brand new city of Malibu.

2316
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:53,060
And the Malibu City Council and the planning personnel

2317
03:38:53,580 --> 03:38:55,980
all were tired and helped our family

2318
03:38:56,640 --> 03:38:59,520
build a highly resilient house

2319
03:39:00,300 --> 03:39:02,200
that would, in fact today,

2320
03:39:03,300 --> 03:39:06,880
withstand the onslaught that came with the 2025 fire.

2321
03:39:08,980 --> 03:39:10,960
And this was not a quick and easy rebuild

2322
03:39:10,960 --> 03:39:15,140
like the very first fire permit after the 1993 fire.

2323
03:39:15,300 --> 03:39:19,640
This was for a literal like for like, very simple home,

2324
03:39:19,820 --> 03:39:21,500
same foundation, the top of Big Rock,

2325
03:39:21,840 --> 03:39:23,580
just a couple months to get that permit.

2326
03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:26,720
Instead, we put in a new foundation,

2327
03:39:27,140 --> 03:39:30,660
we moved ground level, square footage up to the second floor.

2328
03:39:31,160 --> 03:39:34,320
We added lots of fire resistant materials and variety

2329
03:39:34,320 --> 03:39:38,000
of other things, all rebuilt on the same footprint,

2330
03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:41,300
and within 10% of the original size.

2331
03:39:42,480 --> 03:39:47,220
Now without the support of the council members at that time,

2332
03:39:47,420 --> 03:39:49,400
that includes some names.

2333
03:39:49,540 --> 03:39:52,860
You'll be familiar with Walt Keller, John Harlow,

2334
03:39:53,360 --> 03:39:56,480
Carolyn Van Horn, Joan House, Jeff Kramer,

2335
03:39:57,200 --> 03:40:00,220
as well as the city manager, Carmani,

2336
03:40:00,440 --> 03:40:01,940
and planning director Bernard.

2337
03:40:03,020 --> 03:40:06,360
We were able to be number, permit number 32.

2338
03:40:06,360 --> 03:40:13,180
two, okay, exactly one year after the fire took our home.

2339
03:40:13,640 --> 03:40:15,620
That was November 3rd, 1994.

2340
03:40:16,900 --> 03:40:22,660
And do you know who was one of the planners who worked with our architect and

2341
03:40:22,660 --> 03:40:23,460
our contractor?

2342
03:40:25,830 --> 03:40:33,780
Yep, Councilmember and now Mayor, Mary Ann Riggins, so yes, you?

2343
03:40:34,400 --> 03:40:43,220
I was in here in 93 and 94 we have evidence that you stamped it actually well

2344
03:40:43,220 --> 03:40:47,960
not me I swear okay all right well you must have been there mentally I didn't

2345
03:40:47,960 --> 03:40:58,110
say the total of 2.5 I know I'm sorry don't cut her time on that one so shall I

2346
03:40:58,110 --> 03:41:01,930
take you out then yes please okay we'll take you out I as much credit as I'd

2347
03:41:01,930 --> 03:41:02,910
I love to take, I can't.

2348
03:41:03,090 --> 03:41:05,230
But we do believe you can do it, Mary-Anne.

2349
03:41:06,050 --> 03:41:06,150
Right.

2350
03:41:07,390 --> 03:41:11,170
And we know it can be done in council members

2351
03:41:11,170 --> 03:41:15,850
and the planners need the discretion and the tools

2352
03:41:15,850 --> 03:41:18,450
to do their job and that we know you can do that.

2353
03:41:18,610 --> 03:41:22,770
So we are personally forever grateful for all the health

2354
03:41:22,770 --> 03:41:25,230
that we receive from the council and from planning.

2355
03:41:27,510 --> 03:41:29,910
And we hope that the current council

2356
03:41:29,910 --> 03:41:36,550
So it can be sort of like Walt, John, Carolyn, Joan, and Jeff, and get this move this forward

2357
03:41:36,550 --> 03:41:38,090
because we know you can do it.

2358
03:41:38,470 --> 03:41:38,950
Thank you.

2359
03:41:41,070 --> 03:41:47,240
Averyway and Brian Merrick and Merza.

2360
03:41:48,320 --> 03:41:48,740
All right.

2361
03:41:48,840 --> 03:41:49,900
Well, happy New York Council.

2362
03:41:50,180 --> 03:41:50,840
It's good to see you.

2363
03:41:51,880 --> 03:41:56,040
I'm going to make three points in favor of the resolution.

2364
03:41:57,300 --> 03:41:59,540
You heard Scott mentioned GO.

2365
03:41:59,540 --> 03:42:04,840
So, if you sort of take a big picture of you unquestionably, particularly for the

2366
03:42:04,840 --> 03:42:08,180
Landside Homes, geo is the number one gating item.

2367
03:42:08,720 --> 03:42:11,140
And I'm not saying this from a city standpoint.

2368
03:42:11,140 --> 03:42:17,900
I'm actually saying this from an overall perspective, which is the homeowner is taking, it takes

2369
03:42:17,900 --> 03:42:22,300
weeks and months for the homeowner's geo staff to get the report back to them.

2370
03:42:22,640 --> 03:42:27,280
Then it takes several weeks for the city to review it, and then it's followed by several

2371
03:42:27,280 --> 03:42:29,980
weeks of deliberations over the recommendations.

2372
03:42:30,960 --> 03:42:37,880
So if there is anything which I know AIDA will effectively streamline that process, to an

2373
03:42:37,880 --> 03:42:41,380
extent, and there were other discussion which is going to be helpful as well, which we heard

2374
03:42:41,380 --> 03:42:48,120
earlier this evening, GEO needs to be the number one priority in terms of accelerating the

2375
03:42:48,120 --> 03:42:48,620
rebuilds.

2376
03:42:49,400 --> 03:42:54,280
The second point, and Danny touched upon this as well, is we heard chatter that this is

2377
03:42:54,280 --> 03:42:58,060
It's about removing oversight or letting the homeowners run wild.

2378
03:42:59,080 --> 03:43:00,280
It's far from that.

2379
03:43:00,620 --> 03:43:03,100
There is no circumventing of any sort of due diligence.

2380
03:43:03,920 --> 03:43:09,140
In fact, it's the opposite when there is license share at stake.

2381
03:43:09,420 --> 03:43:10,960
People tend to get more conservative.

2382
03:43:11,820 --> 03:43:15,460
And the design teams tend to make recommendations that are more conservative.

2383
03:43:15,700 --> 03:43:19,680
And this we heard firsthand from the city of LA as well.

2384
03:43:20,540 --> 03:43:33,620
The third point, which is perhaps the most interesting one, is the chatter leading up to this meeting is that apparently 8A is a developer's dream, it is exactly the opposite of that.

2385
03:43:34,340 --> 03:43:48,760
Developers would welcome complexities that would push the homeowners and the rebuilders into the arms of the developers because they have the wherewithal, they have the knowledge, they have the budget, they have the resources and they have the understanding to tackle all of this.

2386
03:43:48,760 --> 03:43:51,220
the homeowners and the rebuilders don't.

2387
03:43:51,600 --> 03:43:56,680
So this is exactly the opposite of being a developer's dream.

2388
03:43:56,860 --> 03:43:59,960
In fact, the developers would want you to reject AIDA.

2389
03:44:00,260 --> 03:44:00,520
Thank you.

2390
03:44:02,280 --> 03:44:02,960
Thank you.

2391
03:44:04,780 --> 03:44:08,220
Brian, Merrick, and then Marissa.

2392
03:44:17,590 --> 03:44:22,730
Thanks again, I just hear a little bit to finish up on what I started earlier,

2393
03:44:22,890 --> 03:44:26,050
which is for your benefit to a certain extent.

2394
03:44:26,050 --> 03:44:31,290
But I'm in favor of this because I do believe that this has been around.

2395
03:44:31,870 --> 03:44:41,230
We wouldn't, I think the City of Malibu really fails a lot of the time throughout its history by not planning for things in the future.

2396
03:44:41,410 --> 03:44:43,550
So I like the idea that we're thinking about that.

2397
03:44:44,090 --> 03:44:53,150
I just want to note that while we're about to get our permit, I hope we're almost 800,000 into this with all the fees and

2398
03:44:53,150 --> 03:44:57,990
everything that we're doing to try and rebuild this beach house and it's only 3800 square feet.

2399
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,980
Some of the things that we ran into that maybe you need to look upon would be the fire department for two or three weeks. I think that may have been solved but the fire department, you know, requested a fuel modification plan for our b-chance. Okay, so those are just reasonable things, right? And finally, it got overturned. I don't think Halen's question was totally answered by the CalTrans thing. I did talk to Rob. You should ask Rob again about what we talked about as far as municipal code of the city of Malibu requiring a very

2400
03:45:32,740 --> 03:45:41,320
We're not really new seawalls, we're trying to replace something that was there before, and that's what's holding its up currently from what I understand, this is from my architects.

2401
03:45:42,700 --> 03:45:50,640
So based on this, what is the definition of a wildfire? Is it a declared disaster by the state or federal?

2402
03:45:50,640 --> 03:45:57,320
I mean, or is it a wildfire, just like, hey, it started in the canyons and it burned one house like who gets the benefit from this?

2403
03:45:57,460 --> 03:45:58,760
So what are the definitions of that?

2404
03:45:59,720 --> 03:46:04,940
Is there a limit on how many houses must be destroyed for that to kick in, right?

2405
03:46:05,940 --> 03:46:10,180
And then how much of a structure does this apply to like a guest house?

2406
03:46:10,460 --> 03:46:12,820
What exactly are we talking about as far as that goes?

2407
03:46:13,220 --> 03:46:17,340
And how much of that structure can be destroyed before it kicks in?

2408
03:46:17,340 --> 03:46:21,240
What if only 50% or what if 25% of it was destroyed?

2409
03:46:21,700 --> 03:46:23,060
Do you get the benefits of this?

2410
03:46:24,880 --> 03:46:28,300
I tend to agree with what I've heard up here from these other people for the most part.

2411
03:46:28,760 --> 03:46:34,720
So I just want to make sure that there aren't weird little loopholes for people.

2412
03:46:34,960 --> 03:46:37,640
But otherwise, I think pre-planning is a good idea, thank you.

2413
03:46:39,690 --> 03:46:43,370
I'm going to say you're the final in person and then we'll go to our online speakers.

2414
03:46:43,370 --> 03:46:44,310
Hello,

2415
03:46:48,440 --> 03:47:13,200
my concern is with some people who I'm representing now, having trouble based on the VE zone elevations doing the BFE plus one foot, because they're going to either have a detached garage separate and then they'll have to have an elevator to take them to their front door or something and some of the property owners have lived here for a long time in their senior citizens.

2416
03:47:13,200 --> 03:47:18,600
One of them has a wife in a wheelchair, and he would have to accommodate her getting it.

2417
03:47:19,140 --> 03:47:23,980
The ADA, there's no ADA compliance in the rebuild formula.

2418
03:47:24,520 --> 03:47:30,360
I tried to look around that, but I went back to the Stanford Act as amended in 2013.

2419
03:47:31,200 --> 03:47:39,640
And that's under, that controls FEMA, and correct me if I'm just not remembering that our disaster was not federally declared.

2420
03:47:39,640 --> 03:47:49,660
it? Am I incorrect? I'm yes or no? It was. Okay. So even given that, if there's a way

2421
03:47:49,660 --> 03:47:55,480
to do a work around, because if they don't have insurance, FEMA, or anything to replace

2422
03:47:55,480 --> 03:47:59,840
it, they're all, you know, under-insured, many of them are under-insured. The ones that

2423
03:47:59,840 --> 03:48:04,600
have the VE zone of like 27 or something are going to have trouble even rebuilding.

2424
03:48:08,780 --> 03:48:09,320
And

2425
03:48:09,320 --> 03:48:19,300
I think if we can find an avenue, and I can go over with any of you individually, or something else, to reflect on how we're implementing it.

2426
03:48:19,480 --> 03:48:36,880
Because it's okay to say foot plus ten, but if you can't even put it in the same place and you have to put it higher, then the previous house, because you have to meet the base flood elevation plus a foot for your finished floor structural across member, then that's a problem for a lot of these people.

2427
03:48:36,880 --> 03:48:38,300
I've been running into it.

2428
03:48:38,440 --> 03:48:40,980
I've got four projects right now that are having this problem.

2429
03:48:41,380 --> 03:48:43,060
Most of them are down by Topanga.

2430
03:48:43,960 --> 03:48:47,060
And also another thing I think that if CalTrans

2431
03:48:47,700 --> 03:48:51,180
and this addresses the septic issue too, if CalTrans

2432
03:48:51,180 --> 03:48:54,760
wants their highway to stop sliding into these things,

2433
03:48:54,960 --> 03:48:58,740
they should pay for the retaining walls that protect their highway.

2434
03:48:59,560 --> 03:49:03,640
And then that also impacts the way that a bulkhead

2435
03:49:03,640 --> 03:49:05,640
that is designed to protect a septic system.

2436
03:49:06,680 --> 03:49:10,540
Okay, Bruce is confused, but I don't want to give you too much detail because nobody understands

2437
03:49:10,540 --> 03:49:10,880
it.

2438
03:49:11,100 --> 03:49:16,180
I could talk to you individually, but I think that there are some avenues that might be

2439
03:49:16,180 --> 03:49:20,700
helpful to them if they're having trouble putting it in the same footprint and not have

2440
03:49:20,700 --> 03:49:23,180
to have a break-away garage or separate access.

2441
03:49:24,760 --> 03:49:27,000
Okay, Bruce is dying to ask me something, I need to tell you.

2442
03:49:27,300 --> 03:49:28,340
Do you want to ask a question?

2443
03:49:28,340 --> 03:49:40,000
I appreciate the information and knowledge you bring to these meetings on these matters, but I'm really having a difficult time tying any of these comments to the item that's on the agenda.

2444
03:49:40,140 --> 03:49:45,440
No, and I apologize that we've been dealing with for the past year, so is there a point that I'm missing?

2445
03:49:45,780 --> 03:49:47,520
No, no, you're not missing.

2446
03:49:47,780 --> 03:49:57,220
I just wanted to get that in because other times when I've spoken I haven't had the opportunity to get it in and this is all transpired prior to those since those other times.

2447
03:49:57,220 --> 03:49:59,400
This is a little civil-loved circulation.

2448
03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:01,380
I just not provide in here being the last person.

2449
03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:01,820
I got it.

2450
03:50:02,040 --> 03:50:02,260
Okay.

2451
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:03,060
Thank you.

2452
03:50:04,060 --> 03:50:04,540
Okay.

2453
03:50:05,060 --> 03:50:06,300
Do we still have two hands?

2454
03:50:07,080 --> 03:50:07,240
Yes.

2455
03:50:07,760 --> 03:50:08,000
Okay.

2456
03:50:08,480 --> 03:50:09,120
Joe Dremond.

2457
03:50:12,160 --> 03:50:13,000
Joe, are you there?

2458
03:50:15,550 --> 03:50:15,750
Yes.

2459
03:50:16,330 --> 03:50:17,310
I have a couple of numbers.

2460
03:50:17,870 --> 03:50:22,250
Item matters because it addresses the single biggest cause of fire, rebuild delay.

2461
03:50:22,430 --> 03:50:27,830
Not because we can say standards, but rebuilds on previously developed stable blocks and mitigated

2462
03:50:27,830 --> 03:50:33,210
landslide areas, full geotechnical investigation should not be required, and big rock we receive

2463
03:50:33,210 --> 03:50:37,990
landslide monitoring reports every single year which consistently show no measurable movement

2464
03:50:37,990 --> 03:50:43,550
for at least three decades. Regardless, prescriptive building codes already allow construction in

2465
03:50:43,550 --> 03:50:49,390
landslide areas when conservative design standards are met. This is the law today here and internationally,

2466
03:50:49,890 --> 03:50:54,130
so the mere presence of a map landslide go and should not be used to justify months of additional

2467
03:50:54,130 --> 03:50:59,190
studies where long-term stability is already documented. Under current practice geotechnical

2468
03:50:59,190 --> 03:51:04,130
alone takes eight months or more, even for like-for-like rebuilds of homes that lawfully and safely

2469
03:51:04,130 --> 03:51:09,410
supported existing homes through storms, earthquakes, and fire fires for decades. Many built before

2470
03:51:09,410 --> 03:51:14,610
1970. After Woolsey and Palisade, one of the best actions the city took was removing cotton

2471
03:51:14,610 --> 03:51:19,210
shires from built rebuild review. By wielding their power over rebuilds projects were repeatedly

2472
03:51:19,210 --> 03:51:22,030
easily solved by unnecessary and escalating requirements.

2473
03:51:22,510 --> 03:51:27,030
By contrast, when you land a Bundy intervened, project moved forward appropriately.

2474
03:51:27,530 --> 03:51:32,090
In my own case, the 64-square-foot deck built before the fire, she allowed staff to rely

2475
03:51:32,090 --> 03:51:36,010
on a standard engineering practice and deferred to my life and structural engineer.

2476
03:51:36,470 --> 03:51:40,470
That deck was negligible in sizing risks like our rebuilds, and it remained standing today.

2477
03:51:40,690 --> 03:51:41,730
So there is precedent here.

2478
03:51:42,230 --> 03:51:47,050
Meanwhile, my 84-year-old neighbor on seaboard of the first permit issued in Big Rock was required

2479
03:51:47,050 --> 03:51:50,010
large and install 19 caselines under an uninhabited garage.

2480
03:51:50,550 --> 03:51:53,470
Any practicing geologist or engineer will tell you that is overkill.

2481
03:51:53,930 --> 03:51:56,690
And serve it of calculations would demonstrate this immediately.

2482
03:51:57,290 --> 03:51:59,350
This is about process failure, not safety.

2483
03:51:59,790 --> 03:52:04,290
Using conservative engineering assumptions informed by area-wide geotechnical data and observed

2484
03:52:04,290 --> 03:52:08,650
historical site performance is standard practice and fully protective of public safety.

2485
03:52:09,130 --> 03:52:12,950
Correcting the single requirement could reduce total rebuild for emitting timelines to roughly

2486
03:52:12,950 --> 03:52:17,150
three months instead of nine months to two years and allow you to land our city attorney

2487
03:52:17,150 --> 03:52:21,870
and council to be seen as champions of recovery. The current approaches financial devastation.

2488
03:52:22,250 --> 03:52:26,210
Families are forced to carry mounting monthly expenses and fees while navigating a fragmented

2489
03:52:26,210 --> 03:52:31,010
plan check process marked by late surprise reviews that rendered advertised 10 day timelines

2490
03:52:31,010 --> 03:52:36,130
meaningless. We support this funding decision to hire the Santa Rosa Geotechnical Review Consultants.

2491
03:52:36,450 --> 03:52:41,890
This must support recovery not incentivize complexity. You may hear this item enable self-certification

2492
03:52:41,890 --> 03:52:43,730
are undermined staff, it does neither.

2493
03:52:44,250 --> 03:52:48,250
Engineers already carry legal responsibility, staff still would use plans, inspectors and

2494
03:52:48,250 --> 03:52:52,690
geologists remain on site during construction, the city retains full enforcement authority.

2495
03:52:53,190 --> 03:52:56,630
The Governor's emergency orders require cities to streamline a lot of fire rebuilding.

2496
03:52:57,330 --> 03:53:02,510
We are asking council to direct staff to allow conservative prescriptive engineering assumptions

2497
03:53:02,510 --> 03:53:08,870
to rebuild up to 10%, rely on area-wide geotechnical data and long-term historical performance, assign

2498
03:53:08,870 --> 03:53:16,330
I'm one accountable plan check lead with full disclosure of requirements and reviews on intake and force clear binding review time lines with just in with state mandates.

2499
03:53:16,750 --> 03:53:20,210
The city is legally responsible for enabling recovery not for allowing the city.

2500
03:53:20,210 --> 03:53:20,750
Thank you, Joe.

2501
03:53:20,990 --> 03:53:24,000
What's next speaker?

2502
03:53:25,440 --> 03:53:26,280
Tina Siegel.

2503
03:53:27,300 --> 03:53:28,220
Tina, are you there?

2504
03:53:29,720 --> 03:53:31,000
I'm here. Can you hear me?

2505
03:53:31,180 --> 03:53:31,800
Yes, we can.

2506
03:53:31,960 --> 03:53:32,400
Please go ahead.

2507
03:53:33,060 --> 03:53:37,980
Okay, first of all mayor and council member, thank you for taking time to hear what I have to say.

2508
03:53:37,980 --> 03:53:42,800
My name is Tina Siegel, our family have been Malibu homeowners for over 50 years.

2509
03:53:43,320 --> 03:53:49,320
50 years ago, two families pulled their resources to buy their dream home for $200,000 or less.

2510
03:53:49,940 --> 03:53:56,340
They weren't millionaires, just two families who dreamed of owning a home on the most beautiful beach in California, LaCosta.

2511
03:53:57,000 --> 03:54:02,820
Over 50 years of four generations, creating the best memories any family could ever imagine.

2512
03:54:02,820 --> 03:54:06,140
birthday parties, fishing with grandpa, swimming all day,

2513
03:54:06,420 --> 03:54:09,380
batchisms, grinning runnings, taking our blue and red

2514
03:54:09,380 --> 03:54:11,260
rafts all the way to Toys and Sports,

2515
03:54:11,840 --> 03:54:14,040
Hickory Burgers, and watching endless summer for the

2516
03:54:14,040 --> 03:54:15,820
millionth time at Mount Augustinima.

2517
03:54:16,460 --> 03:54:20,340
One year ago, we watched all those memories go up in

2518
03:54:20,340 --> 03:54:25,600
flames, all but three homes gone, 60 some homes destroyed.

2519
03:54:26,580 --> 03:54:29,580
Walking onto that property, my property last week,

2520
03:54:29,580 --> 03:54:35,860
wall after wall after wall covered in graffiti I just wet. I was one of the

2521
03:54:35,860 --> 03:54:40,020
first to hand in person all the documents we were asked to submit with great

2522
03:54:40,020 --> 03:54:45,480
hope of a speedy process due to promises fees would be waived and the process

2523
03:54:45,480 --> 03:54:51,140
would be streamlined. Sadly those promises were not upheld. My plans submitted

2524
03:54:51,140 --> 03:54:57,820
long ago rejected twice already still await the first step of a permit. I'm so

2525
03:54:57,820 --> 03:55:01,180
Go tired of answering the question, how's the rebuild going?

2526
03:55:01,980 --> 03:55:04,020
Please adopt this resolution.

2527
03:55:04,520 --> 03:55:08,620
Please let us rebuild quickly so we can go back home.

2528
03:55:09,160 --> 03:55:09,740
Thank you.

2529
03:55:11,480 --> 03:55:12,060
Thank you.

2530
03:55:12,620 --> 03:55:15,000
That'll conclude our public comments.

2531
03:55:16,900 --> 03:55:19,760
Hey, who wants to go first?

2532
03:55:25,210 --> 03:55:25,570
Rochanda?

2533
03:55:33,230 --> 03:55:38,750
You know, listening to the comments, I get, I guess, one major impression.

2534
03:55:39,510 --> 03:55:41,470
No matter what we do, it's not going to be good enough.

2535
03:55:42,710 --> 03:55:43,430
That's what we do.

2536
03:55:44,290 --> 03:55:45,670
I mean, yeah, but we listened to that.

2537
03:55:46,190 --> 03:55:48,770
Again, we had this topic on the agenda.

2538
03:55:49,810 --> 03:55:51,490
And we were all over the place.

2539
03:55:54,010 --> 03:55:55,790
And that's going to make it more difficult.

2540
03:55:59,120 --> 03:56:00,480
I guess I get two thoughts.

2541
03:56:04,510 --> 03:56:09,750
One, the Bruce described it, you know,

2542
03:56:09,910 --> 03:56:12,590
I still think falls under the category of self-certification

2543
03:56:12,590 --> 03:56:15,690
of the applicants,

2544
03:56:17,950 --> 03:56:25,270
engineer, developer, whatever the heck it is, trying to come up with a range of what is available or not available.

2545
03:56:25,930 --> 03:56:36,590
And whether, how they get the city planner to agree that that range is exists, and how they're going to, how they're going to pick and choose from that, I don't understand yet.

2546
03:56:37,110 --> 03:56:41,790
I mean, I just think that presents more complexity to the whole building issue.

2547
03:56:44,460 --> 03:56:49,280
second thing I think we just got to realize just because I put a piece of paper

2548
03:56:49,280 --> 03:56:53,980
together it says you know we're going to this is going to get done in four days

2549
03:56:54,620 --> 03:56:58,860
this means going to happen that way I don't know how many of you have worked inside

2550
03:56:58,860 --> 03:57:02,500
of a corporation trying to get things done and you got to go back I mean we

2551
03:57:02,500 --> 03:57:09,680
started off with nothing right I mean this this was a we went from zero to

2552
03:57:09,680 --> 03:57:12,820
however many miles an hour we're going through right now it took us a while to get

2553
03:57:12,820 --> 03:57:22,520
You don't do that overnight, and I'm just afraid if we sit down and say, okay, we're going to get it done in four days or five days, and that's going to be the absolute limit of what we're going to do.

2554
03:57:24,780 --> 03:57:27,800
We're not always going to get there. I mean, I think everybody's trying.

2555
03:57:28,800 --> 03:57:34,540
And I think if I've seen anything take place, we talked about it earlier in the meeting.

2556
03:57:35,020 --> 03:57:41,760
I think your line day has made huge strides in making this thing work better, and I think there are more strides to come.

2557
03:57:42,420 --> 03:57:47,500
I think she's got a huge task of trying to train all these consultants she got in there.

2558
03:57:47,580 --> 03:57:50,000
You got to keep those guys on track, that's just that's not easy.

2559
03:57:50,900 --> 03:57:55,020
I mean, we had to bring in a whole do staff of people to try and get all this stuff done.

2560
03:57:55,180 --> 03:57:57,240
And that has certainly slowed things down.

2561
03:57:57,240 --> 03:58:00,520
And I don't think this resolution is going to make a difference in that.

2562
03:58:01,280 --> 03:58:05,640
So I've got some concerns about what this is actually going to accomplish for us.

2563
03:58:05,980 --> 03:58:09,420
And I was going to meet the comments I heard to folks giving us.

2564
03:58:09,920 --> 03:58:13,020
I mean, I don't know if it's going to get you what you want.

2565
03:58:14,840 --> 03:58:17,300
I may have more to say, but let somebody else go for a while.

2566
03:58:19,420 --> 03:58:19,540
Okay.

2567
03:58:24,440 --> 03:58:29,240
First off, I hear the cries for making things work better.

2568
03:58:30,780 --> 03:58:33,540
And if you look back on what the city has done,

2569
03:58:33,860 --> 03:58:37,900
and I'm not trying to take, say, we could have done things better,

2570
03:58:38,800 --> 03:58:40,320
we changed the municipal code.

2571
03:58:40,320 --> 03:58:47,980
We've got the governor to change the rules for CEQA and Coastal Commission that are permanent.

2572
03:58:48,900 --> 03:58:51,380
These are built under the Malibu Municipal Code now.

2573
03:58:52,080 --> 03:58:54,520
We've made major changes to get to where we are.

2574
03:58:55,160 --> 03:59:01,800
And don't forget this city, when I got voted in to this office, the city's philosophy was

2575
03:59:02,120 --> 03:59:06,680
do everything you can to not have a building be added to this inventory.

2576
03:59:07,220 --> 03:59:11,240
And that's part of what's actually written into this, you know, there's two different rules.

2577
03:59:11,720 --> 03:59:14,720
Rebuilds are one thing, new constructions are another.

2578
03:59:15,520 --> 03:59:22,960
So, yeah, we had a system set up that was designed to slow-walk everything as opposed to expedite anything.

2579
03:59:24,040 --> 03:59:25,760
And we made some pretty good changes to that.

2580
03:59:25,920 --> 03:59:27,600
And a lot of these are permanent changes.

2581
03:59:28,280 --> 03:59:33,160
So, yeah, it's a different world than we had a year ago tonight.

2582
03:59:33,800 --> 03:59:35,920
But we still need things to be improved.

2583
03:59:36,340 --> 03:59:40,040
And Yolanda has done a lot of things to make things better.

2584
03:59:40,500 --> 03:59:43,020
We hadn't even implemented the Baker Tilly Report,

2585
03:59:43,640 --> 03:59:46,420
which was a critical part about how we could make our planning

2586
03:59:46,420 --> 03:59:48,400
and building a safety process better.

2587
03:59:49,080 --> 03:59:50,160
That would even consider.

2588
03:59:51,160 --> 03:59:54,460
So there's a lot of baggage that need to be cleared out of the way.

2589
03:59:55,240 --> 03:59:58,320
Now, I'm not saying this isn't a step in the right direction,

2590
03:59:58,740 --> 03:59:59,980
but I got a lot of problems with this.

2591
04:00:00,750 --> 04:00:08,010
And I've also heard some words that people have said in the public comments that are designed

2592
04:00:08,010 --> 04:00:15,550
to say, if you take this route, you're wrong. Let's see if we really are wrong. And let me

2593
04:00:15,550 --> 04:00:19,750
take you through a couple of things. First off, I've got a question to Bruce and Hailey.

2594
04:00:20,770 --> 04:00:26,330
Why didn't you have the city staff associated with you on this? It's one thing that had the

2595
04:00:26,330 --> 04:00:40,890
the council, which has to do with this in public, but why is this not, as it says in here, the attached resolution in this report was provided by Mayor Pro Tem Silverstein and Council Member Conrad, this report is not contained analysis or recommendations prepared by the staff.

2596
04:00:41,590 --> 04:00:48,730
We have some of the best people in town and in the area, and we didn't talk to them. How come?

2597
04:00:52,560 --> 04:00:58,160
Because we're elected officials and we are these policies, we spoke to them,

2598
04:01:00,930 --> 04:01:06,390
we spoke to them, and this is our, this is inside of our purview from what I've understood.

2599
04:01:07,250 --> 04:01:13,130
We're counsel, this is, we make policy, this is policy, we did speak to them, I spoke to them.

2600
04:01:16,720 --> 04:01:27,500
So, yeah, the answer is, first of all, it's not an accurate premise that there was no conversation, so it's kind of like when did you stop beating your wife type question, and I know it was intentional.

2601
04:01:28,720 --> 04:01:37,000
But the fact is, we did have conversations, I'm going to come back to them, but we've been operating without a city manager for a year.

2602
04:01:37,440 --> 04:01:42,720
When this fire came, we didn't have our permanent city manager, he had gone AWOL.

2603
04:01:42,720 --> 04:02:06,220
We did bring in a very competent interim, but it was an interim who was here more to keep the peace and make sure the lights stayed on and provide an empathetic view to the residents because she was a resident, but she was not a city manager who had the ability to deal with these kinds of policy issues, big picture issues.

2604
04:02:06,220 --> 04:02:12,760
So, we didn't have a city manager, even the subordinate staff at the senior level was gone.

2605
04:02:13,080 --> 04:02:14,380
They ditched us after the fire.

2606
04:02:15,500 --> 04:02:19,460
In fact, they ditched us because they didn't like the fact that the city council was making

2607
04:02:19,460 --> 04:02:24,040
policy decisions that were ultimately redundant to everybody's benefit.

2608
04:02:24,440 --> 04:02:28,100
They were upset with the fact that they thought we were outside of our lane, but we weren't.

2609
04:02:28,120 --> 04:02:29,760
We were actually completely in our lane.

2610
04:02:31,800 --> 04:02:34,860
Yolanda is stretched ridiculously thin.

2611
04:02:35,120 --> 04:02:41,460
She's concentrating on running the program, not designing the programs, even working

2612
04:02:41,460 --> 04:02:45,280
on that too, but she's stretched extremely thin, so is Tyler.

2613
04:02:46,080 --> 04:02:50,740
And it's not our job to speak with the subordinate staff, we don't actually not even allow to.

2614
04:02:51,780 --> 04:02:58,980
So we came to all, we had all these town hall meetings, we had multiple special city council

2615
04:02:58,980 --> 04:03:05,900
meeting, there was all kinds of input from the staff, from the residents, from other city council members.

2616
04:03:06,520 --> 04:03:20,600
And as a result of taking all of that in, we took the laboring or of actually writing something up because we didn't have a staff that had the bandwidth or in the case of the senior management, the experience to do it.

2617
04:03:20,600 --> 04:03:23,760
We stepped up to the plate and we did what needed to be done.

2618
04:03:23,760 --> 04:03:29,020
We then did meet with Tyler and Yolanda, and we heard their comments.

2619
04:03:29,420 --> 04:03:35,260
They weren't happy with everything we did, but you know what, as much as we love them

2620
04:03:35,620 --> 04:03:41,800
and want them to do the great job they're doing, it is as Helen just said, our job to establish

2621
04:03:41,800 --> 04:03:45,640
the policies and the rules and it's their job to implement them.

2622
04:03:46,520 --> 04:03:52,780
And we actually made a lot of changes to the language, to accommodate concerns that were

2623
04:03:52,780 --> 04:03:57,660
raised by a lot of the entire about some things that maybe we had gone further than they,

2624
04:03:57,780 --> 04:04:01,000
we had gone even further than they would, much we had gone further than they would like

2625
04:04:01,000 --> 04:04:05,340
in some areas that we kept it, but in other areas where we were receptive to the comments

2626
04:04:05,840 --> 04:04:12,060
and we made changes and now we can hash it out, but I don't think it's a basis for rejecting

2627
04:04:12,060 --> 04:04:16,760
this that, well said it's not a basis for actually what we didn't deal with the staff because

2628
04:04:16,760 --> 04:04:24,040
we actually did, and if the question is why did you deal with the lower level staff, again,

2629
04:04:24,300 --> 04:04:30,220
you know as well as I do. We're not even allowed to do that. But we're not ordinary times.

2630
04:04:30,500 --> 04:04:36,160
Right, and the way that I see it, this is policy and we're policy makers, and people have, I mean,

2631
04:04:36,180 --> 04:04:42,540
they've elected us. We're in a position. We're not implementers. We are looking at problems,

2632
04:04:42,540 --> 04:04:45,640
and we are supposed to solve them and we're supposed to put them into policy.

2633
04:04:46,440 --> 04:04:50,860
And then we go to the staff who's extremely competent and they implement it.

2634
04:04:51,420 --> 04:04:53,880
And this is us doing our job in my opinion.

2635
04:04:54,200 --> 04:04:59,520
And I would be very proud of a council that would be doing this if I was on that side of

2636
04:04:59,520 --> 04:05:00,020
the audience.

2637
04:05:03,030 --> 04:05:03,670
Other questions?

2638
04:05:04,210 --> 04:05:05,010
Well, I have other questions.

2639
04:05:05,270 --> 04:05:11,750
I hear you, but I'll say a disagreement on this because one of the things that you learned

2640
04:05:11,750 --> 04:05:15,470
in leading large numbers of people, is you have to build a consensus.

2641
04:05:15,870 --> 04:05:19,450
People have to be willing to follow you, not just take your orders.

2642
04:05:20,310 --> 04:05:24,950
And that's the difference between policy 100% versus consensus building.

2643
04:05:26,570 --> 04:05:30,630
And I would, I'm not going to put them on a spot, but I'd love to know whether or not

2644
04:05:30,630 --> 04:05:35,890
you'll want to, and the rest of the staff thinks this is something that ought to be

2645
04:05:35,890 --> 04:05:38,690
implemented or not, or how, which parts they disagree with.

2646
04:05:38,770 --> 04:05:39,830
But we're not going to do that tonight.

2647
04:05:39,830 --> 04:05:45,650
Let's just comment that, you know, all my career, we both had very successful careers

2648
04:05:45,650 --> 04:05:50,410
in different areas, and a lot of people that were very successful in both of those areas

2649
04:05:50,410 --> 04:05:55,650
do it based on the belief that consensus building is critical, and a lot of others do it on

2650
04:05:55,650 --> 04:05:59,250
the basis that they actually understand what needs to be done, and they get it done whether

2651
04:05:59,250 --> 04:06:00,430
other people agree or not.

2652
04:06:01,190 --> 04:06:04,710
And there are plenty of failures in both ways, and there are plenty of successes in both

2653
04:06:04,710 --> 04:06:04,990
ways.

2654
04:06:04,990 --> 04:06:07,670
is one of those ways or for the other is not necessarily better.

2655
04:06:08,290 --> 04:06:09,770
The result is what matters.

2656
04:06:11,150 --> 04:06:11,430
That's right.

2657
04:06:11,830 --> 04:06:14,130
And that's one of the things you want to try and ensure.

2658
04:06:14,530 --> 04:06:16,550
And I think building a consensus is better.

2659
04:06:16,750 --> 04:06:17,270
But that's all right.

2660
04:06:17,810 --> 04:06:18,510
We'll get past that.

2661
04:06:20,350 --> 04:06:25,270
I'm a little taken back by the comment recommended action

2662
04:06:25,270 --> 04:06:27,470
to request the mayor of Pro Tem and Silverstein

2663
04:06:27,470 --> 04:06:30,390
and Council Member Conrad, discuss to provide direction

2664
04:06:30,390 --> 04:06:31,770
on the attach resolution.

2665
04:06:31,770 --> 04:06:36,190
This is because the staff didn't put this together.

2666
04:06:36,390 --> 04:06:38,870
Look, let's go back to how this City Council works, and

2667
04:06:38,870 --> 04:06:40,870
what our resolutions are and how we work.

2668
04:06:41,530 --> 04:06:45,810
We all have the ability to make this Council member proposals.

2669
04:06:47,050 --> 04:06:49,330
The staff also puts things on the agenda.

2670
04:06:49,590 --> 04:06:52,110
When they put them on the agenda, they prepare a report.

2671
04:06:52,830 --> 04:06:56,610
When we prepare something, they don't create a report for us.

2672
04:06:57,110 --> 04:07:00,910
In fact, this is one of the reasons I ran for City Council five years ago, for the first time.

2673
04:07:00,910 --> 04:07:06,210
I was offended by the fact that the staff was micromanaging the City Council.

2674
04:07:06,590 --> 04:07:10,030
I don't mean the staff at the, the staff as in, like Yolanda's level.

2675
04:07:10,170 --> 04:07:14,710
I mean, the van city manager, they were micr, she was micromanaging the City Council.

2676
04:07:15,070 --> 04:07:20,370
City Council couldn't get anything on an agenda, they wanted it, unless it went through the boss.

2677
04:07:20,910 --> 04:07:22,450
But that was not the right boss.

2678
04:07:23,090 --> 04:07:27,130
So, we don't get the staff won't prepare report for us when we do something like this.

2679
04:07:27,130 --> 04:07:57,030
The only way we can get a staff report is if we take six months to go through this consensus-building activity and have it changed in all kinds of ways and have them then prepare a report, that's their recommendation, but this is not a staff recommendation, this is a city council member recommendation, it's from two out of five, and I think that we're entitled to the respect of having it reviewed on the merits and the mere fact that we presented it as opposed to the

2680
04:07:57,030 --> 04:08:00,170
the staff presenting it is not in and of itself a meaningful objection.

2681
04:08:00,310 --> 04:08:04,010
No, my question was really, what are you asking this council to do?

2682
04:08:04,150 --> 04:08:05,190
Adopt this resolution?

2683
04:08:05,830 --> 04:08:06,850
It says direction.

2684
04:08:07,070 --> 04:08:09,970
I was just trying to figure out because it says direction on the attached resolution.

2685
04:08:13,030 --> 04:08:15,370
Yeah, the direction would be approve the resolution.

2686
04:08:15,610 --> 04:08:19,910
You know, look, we didn't write this, we didn't even write this, this, this front report.

2687
04:08:20,190 --> 04:08:22,330
We didn't have any approval of this front report.

2688
04:08:22,550 --> 04:08:23,470
I would have written a different way.

2689
04:08:24,470 --> 04:08:24,970
All right.

2690
04:08:24,970 --> 04:08:33,930
I don't have a problem with much of what's in here, but I do have a problem with your number one and number two paragraph.

2691
04:08:35,630 --> 04:08:41,310
And one of the comments I want to read back hurts several times about the geology.

2692
04:08:44,470 --> 04:08:49,190
People have been reaching out to Santa Rosa to get their input.

2693
04:08:49,970 --> 04:08:53,630
And there's really two different versions of their input from Santa Rosa.

2694
04:08:53,630 --> 04:08:56,410
And I want to read the part about geology.

2695
04:08:57,510 --> 04:09:04,490
This is from the chief building official, in fact, last week, I guess it's a Jimmy Bliss.

2696
04:09:05,510 --> 04:09:09,730
And he says, and this is addressed to Joe Drummond and a variety of other people.

2697
04:09:09,850 --> 04:09:13,230
And I'm included on this, I think some of the council members.

2698
04:09:14,370 --> 04:09:22,210
And here's the quote, the California Building Residential Code did not allow the building official to waive requirements in general only to interpret them.

2699
04:09:22,210 --> 04:09:24,670
You see the California Residue Code so-and-so.

2700
04:09:25,350 --> 04:09:29,770
Many of the properties destroyed by our fires were up in the hills and a combination of

2701
04:09:29,770 --> 04:09:35,090
fire and subsequent demolition, grading operations significantly changed many of the soil properties,

2702
04:09:35,330 --> 04:09:36,410
conditions in those areas.

2703
04:09:37,390 --> 04:09:42,170
And the hills here is quite common for the slope and state of the soil to require geotechnical

2704
04:09:42,170 --> 04:09:47,330
report anyways, and the reports typically recommend peer and great being foundations.

2705
04:09:47,330 --> 04:09:53,890
On a case-by-case basis, where we were sometimes able to accept mostly in the flatter regions

2706
04:09:53,890 --> 04:09:58,210
affected by the fires, older geotechnical reports for those properties of subdivisions.

2707
04:09:58,910 --> 04:10:03,170
The only time the building official can allow work to proceed without a geological report

2708
04:10:03,170 --> 04:10:08,430
is when they have sufficient evidence knowledge of a specific site to determine the proposed

2709
04:10:08,430 --> 04:10:10,130
design is okay without it.

2710
04:10:10,710 --> 04:10:16,610
Anywhere affected by, in their case, Bay mud, sandy soils, landslide areas, expansive

2711
04:10:16,610 --> 04:10:21,990
soils, compressible soils, or areas on significant slopes would not typically fall in

2712
04:10:21,990 --> 04:10:22,530
this category.

2713
04:10:23,330 --> 04:10:27,990
Geotechnical reports are an important part of ensuring your future homes and businesses

2714
04:10:27,990 --> 04:10:29,410
are built in a safe manner.

2715
04:10:30,890 --> 04:10:34,970
I'd also highlight the fact that, you know, you're not doing this just for the home that's

2716
04:10:34,970 --> 04:10:40,710
being built, but for everybody around it, to be down slope of a failing hillside, just a second.

2717
04:10:40,810 --> 04:10:55,850
Yeah, just down slope of a failing hillside, where a house is going to fall on your house, that's not just a concern of the home builder of the home that's failing, but it's everybody around it, not to mention the values of properties.

2718
04:10:57,010 --> 04:11:00,930
Especially when it could have been avoided by having the proper construction.

2719
04:11:00,930 --> 04:11:06,730
I concur 100% with everything you just said, and I've said it myself in the past.

2720
04:11:07,130 --> 04:11:13,290
And there's absolutely nothing in the language here if you read it word for word that says anything to the contrary.

2721
04:11:13,670 --> 04:11:14,350
All right. I disagree.

2722
04:11:15,910 --> 04:11:17,310
So let's talk about the language.

2723
04:11:17,590 --> 04:11:19,590
Well, let's talk about structure here.

2724
04:11:19,990 --> 04:11:21,770
You got two different ideas.

2725
04:11:22,370 --> 04:11:23,930
And I know the comment was made.

2726
04:11:24,070 --> 04:11:25,730
Let's don't make this self-certification.

2727
04:11:26,170 --> 04:11:26,750
Wait a minute.

2728
04:11:27,430 --> 04:11:28,110
What is this?

2729
04:11:28,110 --> 04:11:41,510
When you look at number one, it says to that end, whenever there's a difference of opinion on an issue that the director of community development department recognizes to be different of opinion upon which reasonable professional civil engineers might differ.

2730
04:11:41,810 --> 04:11:47,530
The city staff shall defer to the stamped and certified decision of the civil engineer employed by the applicant.

2731
04:11:48,110 --> 04:11:56,250
So long as the engineer is a California licensed civil engineer, experience and particular practice that's implicated by this controversy and so forth.

2732
04:11:58,390 --> 04:12:11,330
Now, what that does is say in self-certification, the homeowner or builder is responsible and takes the liability for the self-certification.

2733
04:12:11,770 --> 04:12:13,590
In fact, it is recorded as such on the title.

2734
04:12:14,470 --> 04:12:24,530
Now, on the title report, what you've done though here is to say that if you give me an engineering report,

2735
04:12:24,530 --> 04:12:29,170
or say geology or structural and we don't agree with it,

2736
04:12:29,670 --> 04:12:31,830
your applicant wins.

2737
04:12:31,970 --> 04:12:35,970
Now, hold on, it's what I'm reading, but hold on.

2738
04:12:36,610 --> 04:12:37,590
And if that's the case,

2739
04:12:37,810 --> 04:12:39,630
we're gonna issue a building permit

2740
04:12:40,090 --> 04:12:42,250
and now the city takes the responsibility.

2741
04:12:42,590 --> 04:12:46,790
So it doesn't say that, but to the extent

2742
04:12:46,790 --> 04:12:48,250
you're concerned that it suggests

2743
04:12:48,250 --> 04:12:50,650
that that's the point of this discussion now

2744
04:12:50,650 --> 04:12:52,830
is we should tweak the words to get to the point

2745
04:12:52,830 --> 04:12:54,910
where we all reached an agreement on what it should be.

2746
04:12:55,550 --> 04:12:59,750
But let me just give you an analogy, because I was thinking about this in response to Steve's comment

2747
04:12:59,750 --> 04:13:04,870
too earlier, where he said that it looks like a version of self-certification.

2748
04:13:05,310 --> 04:13:12,810
And I am not sufficiently versed in building code issues to be able to give a specific example in

2749
04:13:12,810 --> 04:13:18,930
the building code, maybe along the cache. But I'll give you an analogy in the law, which I think

2750
04:13:18,930 --> 04:13:25,670
works pretty well. When there's a jury decision or at a bench trial, a judge's decision and

2751
04:13:25,670 --> 04:13:33,830
somebody appeals, the question on appeal is not, is the party who lost right in the arguments

2752
04:13:33,830 --> 04:13:39,170
about why they shouldn't have lost? The question isn't, should the party have, who won, should they

2753
04:13:39,170 --> 04:13:46,070
have won? The question is, is there a basis in the record to support the decision that the jury

2754
04:13:46,070 --> 04:13:52,090
the judge reached. What this is intended to do, and that's a pretty, that's a more liberal

2755
04:13:52,090 --> 04:13:57,050
standard than this, by the way, what this is intended to do is say, when the appellate

2756
04:13:57,050 --> 04:14:03,290
judge here, Yolanda, or whoever's in Yolanda, see at the time, looks at a range of

2757
04:14:03,290 --> 04:14:09,690
alternatives, and the one that is being advocated by the homeowner is within one of those

2758
04:14:09,690 --> 04:14:14,790
alternatives that she believes is fair and appropriate and fits the requirements.

2759
04:14:14,790 --> 04:14:19,370
that notwithstanding the fact that she might personally have reached a different decision

2760
04:14:19,370 --> 04:14:25,690
had she been on the jury, she'll affirm the decision that's being presented to her because

2761
04:14:25,690 --> 04:14:32,650
it falls within a range of reasonable approaches. It doesn't say that if it isn't within that range,

2762
04:14:32,870 --> 04:14:39,550
in her judgment, that she will approve it. It says that if it's in that range, so as long as it hits

2763
04:14:39,550 --> 04:14:43,870
the range, even if it's at the bottom end and she likes to be more cautious than that, and she would

2764
04:14:43,870 --> 04:14:46,830
rather than be 20% better than the minimum requirement.

2765
04:14:47,230 --> 04:14:49,030
She won't impose that requirement on them

2766
04:14:49,030 --> 04:14:51,910
because they've hit the minimum that they're required to.

2767
04:14:52,650 --> 04:14:55,030
So, she's saying, if I run a jury,

2768
04:14:55,230 --> 04:14:57,310
I might not have, I had a rule for that party,

2769
04:14:57,770 --> 04:14:59,970
but I understand why that party...

2770
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:15,640
Already won. It's a fair and just result, and I'm going to therefore go with it. Okay. Bruce, we're not going to court a lot. Let me give you a, let me give you a hundred percent example of why this is fatal. And I also will tell you why this is a developer's dream.

2771
04:15:17,760 --> 04:15:31,260
The developer that wants to build like for Lake Riverville. You bet. Let's take my house built in 1998 to 2000. I have a very well respected architect engineer came up and said,

2772
04:15:31,260 --> 04:15:36,420
I said, for my house, it's going to have a, and the contractors I do know is, a post-tension

2773
04:15:36,420 --> 04:15:42,100
slam came to the city, and they said, that's a fast.

2774
04:15:42,560 --> 04:15:43,920
You're on a hillside slope.

2775
04:15:44,600 --> 04:15:46,300
You need 23 K-sides.

2776
04:15:47,620 --> 04:15:52,740
The extra cost in 2000 was about $100,000, today that's $500,000.

2777
04:15:53,280 --> 04:16:00,040
That's within the range you just described, a post-tension slam by a contractor that's experienced

2778
04:16:00,040 --> 04:16:02,640
in Malibu versus what the city required.

2779
04:16:03,720 --> 04:16:07,260
Now, 20 years later, the hillside down the street

2780
04:16:07,260 --> 04:16:08,240
for me failed.

2781
04:16:09,060 --> 04:16:11,120
$7 million to fix the project.

2782
04:16:13,060 --> 04:16:17,800
And my house, one of the comforts I had was, I'm on 23 K-sons.

2783
04:16:18,660 --> 04:16:21,200
The house had been on just the post-tension slab.

2784
04:16:21,260 --> 04:16:22,480
Might have moved more.

2785
04:16:23,440 --> 04:16:24,800
And we would have a different problem.

2786
04:16:25,460 --> 04:16:26,340
But here's the advance.

2787
04:16:26,500 --> 04:16:27,200
Here's what happens.

2788
04:16:27,400 --> 04:16:28,940
And let's take our guys to New Zealand

2789
04:16:28,940 --> 04:16:30,080
and just to pick on them for them.

2790
04:16:30,280 --> 04:16:34,460
Who's some of the people that are promoting some of this

2791
04:16:34,460 --> 04:16:36,780
may actually have a relationship with them.

2792
04:16:37,540 --> 04:16:38,880
They're going to have this property,

2793
04:16:39,060 --> 04:16:41,200
these units constructed in China.

2794
04:16:42,780 --> 04:16:46,000
And you can have a California engineer in China,

2795
04:16:46,360 --> 04:16:47,600
certify whatever they're doing,

2796
04:16:48,140 --> 04:16:49,360
structural design and so forth.

2797
04:16:49,840 --> 04:16:52,980
How's the city going to override that with your language

2798
04:16:52,980 --> 04:16:55,220
that says that there's a range of possibilities

2799
04:16:55,220 --> 04:16:59,320
within their determination, professional determination.

2800
04:17:00,040 --> 04:17:01,920
And the answer is, well, you might lose your license.

2801
04:17:02,240 --> 04:17:03,820
The city's not overriding anything.

2802
04:17:04,140 --> 04:17:05,480
Since not overriding anything.

2803
04:17:05,620 --> 04:17:09,420
The city is in the first instance evaluating the proposal.

2804
04:17:09,920 --> 04:17:13,120
And this is where you get a question who is right.

2805
04:17:13,640 --> 04:17:18,780
So you got the engineer in China who is certified by California

2806
04:17:19,240 --> 04:17:19,880
is licensed.

2807
04:17:20,760 --> 04:17:24,380
And he says, or she says, I think the structural design works.

2808
04:17:24,380 --> 04:17:31,340
works for us in other places it's within the range of possibilities as opposed to having

2809
04:17:31,340 --> 04:17:38,340
the city decide what's confident. Now hold on for us if you've got 16 lots and you can

2810
04:17:38,340 --> 04:17:43,760
build them for a half a million dollars cheaper the developer just picks up 8 million dollars

2811
04:17:43,760 --> 04:17:48,520
worth of profit. You're creating a straw man? No I'm not creating a straw man. I'm giving an example

2812
04:17:48,520 --> 04:17:49,640
where this is going to go.

2813
04:17:50,580 --> 04:17:54,320
And the reason why I say this, if you had self-certification,

2814
04:17:54,920 --> 04:17:57,900
the homeowner developer would have to be responsible for it.

2815
04:17:58,200 --> 04:18:01,460
And this is the reason why the major home builders

2816
04:18:01,460 --> 04:18:04,300
in the United States, or at least in San Diego and Phoenix,

2817
04:18:04,940 --> 04:18:07,060
have said we're not touching self-certification

2818
04:18:07,060 --> 04:18:08,660
because we're responsible for it.

2819
04:18:08,940 --> 04:18:10,800
But when you take the approach you have here,

2820
04:18:11,320 --> 04:18:13,120
the city becomes responsible for it.

2821
04:18:13,780 --> 04:18:15,320
I think you'd be a lot better off

2822
04:18:15,320 --> 04:18:18,180
if we didn't have any part of this right here at number two.

2823
04:18:18,760 --> 04:18:24,320
And let the city staff make the decision because it's our permit that's on it, our name.

2824
04:18:24,940 --> 04:18:28,980
And by the way, one of the things that isn't mentioned here,

2825
04:18:29,580 --> 04:18:34,080
who's got the liability insurance for a bad decision by the outside engineer?

2826
04:18:34,720 --> 04:18:35,760
The answer, hold on.

2827
04:18:36,260 --> 04:18:40,360
Did you know that California doesn't require liability insurance for any engineers?

2828
04:18:42,060 --> 04:19:08,080
I'm going to submit to you that you're misreading this, and I think a lot of people are, first of all, the language in here about stamped and certified decision of the civil engineer employed by an applicant, so long as such civil engineer is a California license civil engineer experience in the particular practice that is implicated by the item and controversy is not an indication of who has to be relied upon.

2829
04:19:08,080 --> 04:19:14,800
It's actually a requirement before you even get to the question of whether you consider what they're proposing.

2830
04:19:14,980 --> 04:19:20,260
So in other words, if someone who doesn't have these qualifications presents something, this doesn't apply at all.

2831
04:19:23,140 --> 04:19:32,260
This does not say that when someone has those qualifications, the city is obliged to do as they say, which I think is what you're assuming,

2832
04:19:32,260 --> 04:19:35,520
and I think what Steve was assuming too, in the way he was describing it.

2833
04:19:35,520 --> 04:19:41,180
What this says is that, first of all, if it's not someone who meets those qualifications, they're irrelevant.

2834
04:19:41,440 --> 04:19:43,000
They just, you know, they're showing the door.

2835
04:19:43,440 --> 04:19:48,600
If they do meet those qualifications and they present a plan, and the city reviews the plan.

2836
04:19:48,980 --> 04:19:53,680
And the city is satisfied that the plan meets the legal requirements.

2837
04:19:54,320 --> 04:20:02,440
Then notwithstanding the fact that there may be some better way to do it that is more conservative than the applicable legal requirement,

2838
04:20:02,440 --> 04:20:05,640
the city won't impose that additional legal requirement.

2839
04:20:06,000 --> 04:20:11,800
This is another, this is an example of how to apply the rule that's being set forth,

2840
04:20:12,020 --> 04:20:16,900
which says don't impose any rules that aren't in the law.

2841
04:20:17,460 --> 04:20:23,280
So it's a straw man to say that this means we're going to have to do it because they say it's within a reasonable range.

2842
04:20:23,740 --> 04:20:28,900
The determiner of whether it is or is not within the range is the city.

2843
04:20:29,300 --> 04:20:36,020
So, the city has already made a decision that it is, in fact, in the range, and it's saying,

2844
04:20:36,280 --> 04:20:37,480
that's the end of the analysis.

2845
04:20:37,760 --> 04:20:38,980
Who in the city makes that decision?

2846
04:20:39,100 --> 04:20:39,800
Yeah, who's going to do that?

2847
04:20:39,900 --> 04:20:41,660
You're going to have to say, you're going to have to say, you've got to have that.

2848
04:20:41,720 --> 04:20:47,320
The Director of the Community Development Department, it says it explicitly.

2849
04:20:47,560 --> 04:20:52,100
Now, that person, whoever it is at the time, right now, Gelanda, can certainly, in the

2850
04:20:52,100 --> 04:20:57,080
first instance, have other members of the staff make the recommendation, or even

2851
04:20:57,080 --> 04:21:00,620
the decision if she wants to defer it to them, she's not, because she's the building

2852
04:21:01,620 --> 04:21:02,100
official.

2853
04:21:03,600 --> 04:21:06,380
So she is making these decisions as it is right now.

2854
04:21:06,920 --> 04:21:11,260
All this is, is saying again, in two different sentences in a paragraph,

2855
04:21:11,720 --> 04:21:14,780
we're only going to require what the law requires.

2856
04:21:15,300 --> 04:21:18,240
And again, I'm confident Yolanda is doing exactly that.

2857
04:21:18,740 --> 04:21:20,580
And this is, Yolanda is doing exactly that.

2858
04:21:20,640 --> 04:21:24,020
She's not requiring anything that the law doesn't require, because it's not her job

2859
04:21:24,020 --> 04:21:29,060
to invent new rules, it's her job to apply the law, she's applying the law, she understands it.

2860
04:21:30,000 --> 04:21:46,880
Again, this is a future-looking document, this is to make sure that the next City Council with the next disaster doesn't have to take nine months to get to this point, and that the next community development director, when this happens ten years from now, doesn't have to spend nine months to get to this point.

2861
04:21:46,880 --> 04:21:57,020
And maybe that person won't have the same approach you'll want, it may be that Lauren Doyle would be the community director, or a person who I don't mean Lauren, or a person like that.

2862
04:21:57,500 --> 04:22:09,260
And this is saying don't do what you were doing, do what the law requires, it's just, I don't understand how you're getting this point that we have to follow somebody.

2863
04:22:09,260 --> 04:22:10,100
We don't.

2864
04:22:10,180 --> 04:22:16,620
This makes very clear, over and over again, the law governs and the decision of the community

2865
04:22:16,620 --> 04:22:22,060
development department, department director, is going to decide what the law is.

2866
04:22:22,860 --> 04:22:23,560
All right, thank you.

2867
04:22:23,580 --> 04:22:27,060
Can I just jump in, because I think we're going to end up going around the circles here.

2868
04:22:27,160 --> 04:22:33,460
And by the way, one last thing, I wouldn't support this, but if your problem is with that sentence,

2869
04:22:33,920 --> 04:22:36,020
you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

2870
04:22:37,270 --> 04:22:42,550
If you have a problem with particular sentence, we talk about taking the sentence out or changing the sentence,

2871
04:22:42,550 --> 04:22:45,610
but there's still a whole bunch of other stuff in here that I'm not here in criticism.

2872
04:22:46,030 --> 04:22:49,010
Oh, well, we haven't gotten to that yet, so just thank you.

2873
04:22:49,670 --> 04:22:57,930
Well, let me just one thing here, because I think when you have Steve, myself, and Doug, all rating this,

2874
04:22:58,470 --> 04:23:04,870
and we're all rating it a certain way, that maybe it's not written in a way that you intend,

2875
04:23:04,870 --> 04:23:09,890
that it's not coming across how you're intending to be.

2876
04:23:10,450 --> 04:23:18,410
What I think that we, if we were to look at this, one thing that we need to be doing is that just further

2877
04:23:19,990 --> 04:23:28,670
stipulating that minimum code requirements when it comes to the building code is what is accepted across the board.

2878
04:23:28,670 --> 04:23:37,150
If somebody wants to propose higher construction standards than a minimum code, they're welcome to do that.

2879
04:23:37,730 --> 04:23:42,670
But the building code is very clear as it is the minimum code standards.

2880
04:23:43,590 --> 04:23:54,970
And the design professionals that are out there also are in this choosing to recommend higher code standards.

2881
04:23:54,970 --> 04:24:03,790
But the minimum code is all they need to be so I think that you know we're reading this I think in a similar manner

2882
04:24:03,790 --> 04:24:10,270
So I don't think it's intended to say what you think it is so at the very minimum

2883
04:24:10,270 --> 04:24:13,990
We need to go through number one and really clarify

2884
04:24:14,650 --> 04:24:19,610
What the intention is and how it can be improved to actually say

2885
04:24:20,230 --> 04:24:23,550
minimum code standards is what should be applied.

2886
04:24:23,730 --> 04:24:24,630
I just want to bring up one thing.

2887
04:24:25,030 --> 04:24:29,210
When you talk about having a building official, make a decision.

2888
04:24:29,610 --> 04:24:33,890
Which you really are back to the same system we have today, where the applicant

2889
04:24:33,890 --> 04:24:38,910
submits their proposed engineering for structural or geology or whatever.

2890
04:24:39,510 --> 04:24:43,350
And then the city has employed people to review it.

2891
04:24:44,050 --> 04:24:48,270
And if the city's reviewers say that you need to do this and

2892
04:24:48,270 --> 04:24:53,510
this because of their local knowledge of the hillsides or the structural issues.

2893
04:24:54,570 --> 04:24:56,290
Who wins in that argument?

2894
04:24:56,550 --> 04:24:59,650
And the answer should be since we're issuing the building permit and

2895
04:24:59,650 --> 04:25:04,970
we're the ones taking the liability for the decision, it should be our city staff that makes a call.

2896
04:25:05,250 --> 04:25:09,710
It's exactly what it's asked for to somebody that has nothing to lose.

2897
04:25:09,870 --> 04:25:10,970
Once again, it's exactly what it says.

2898
04:25:11,150 --> 04:25:14,690
And secondly, I take issue repeatedly when residents say this or

2899
04:25:14,690 --> 04:25:27,090
Or I should say when the people that appear before us in land use matters appear to say this, and I take issue and you say it, and I don't think you do it intentionally, we don't have liability just because somebody does something that ends up years later being a problem.

2900
04:25:27,930 --> 04:25:40,490
The standards for liability for when a city or any other when a municipality approves a permit are extremely narrow, and they're not at all just because it was wrong or shouldn't have been approved that you have liability.

2901
04:25:40,490 --> 04:25:48,590
It's a red herring, and it shouldn't come into the conversation, which should be deciding what makes sense not being concerned about fake liability.

2902
04:25:48,870 --> 04:25:50,170
I have a bill on one site.

2903
04:25:50,670 --> 04:25:53,270
I'm assuming yes, after the girls got killed on PCH.

2904
04:25:53,570 --> 04:25:54,810
They're not getting a judgment, are they?

2905
04:25:54,910 --> 04:25:55,970
That's a web, they're suing.

2906
04:25:56,310 --> 04:25:57,730
Well, I'll just say, here's the other thing.

2907
04:25:57,890 --> 04:26:07,690
If you go to Gore Hills, over by the wildlife crossing, that whole hillside fell away with houses and the city of a Gore Hills got responsibility for

2908
04:26:09,390 --> 04:26:11,630
planning process that they didn't do properly.

2909
04:26:12,450 --> 04:26:16,310
So you can say all you want to about it being a red area, but that's not the way it works in real life.

2910
04:26:16,550 --> 04:26:21,730
I've heard now so much conflicting information.

2911
04:26:22,470 --> 04:26:29,330
I've heard that we're not liable as the city that we are liable if something goes wrong.

2912
04:26:29,790 --> 04:26:32,670
What is the fact of the matter?

2913
04:26:32,670 --> 04:26:40,950
Are we, if you have a certified, is the building department liable?

2914
04:26:41,150 --> 04:26:46,310
Because I have waivers of indendity, I have heard so many different things now.

2915
04:26:47,170 --> 04:26:52,650
Every permit requires the, I think it's too indemnifying to defend the, the city that's a requirement.

2916
04:26:52,970 --> 04:26:56,990
The city also has a number of immunities that are, you know,

2917
04:26:56,990 --> 04:27:02,170
required that protect the city and negligence related to the issuance of permits.

2918
04:27:02,870 --> 04:27:07,470
So there's a lot of protections for cities that are built in there, but it's not impossible

2919
04:27:07,470 --> 04:27:19,570
for a city to get sued or move, but it's difficult for a city to face liability over the approval

2920
04:27:19,570 --> 04:27:20,190
of a permit.

2921
04:27:20,470 --> 04:27:25,730
And are there waivers in which people sign when they're building?

2922
04:27:25,730 --> 04:27:33,510
It's a sign-in indemnity provision is a requirement to identify and defend the city.

2923
04:27:34,890 --> 04:27:38,710
Other types of, depending on the permit, there are other things, assumptions of a risk,

2924
04:27:39,250 --> 04:27:41,910
or other types of documents that are required to be signed as well.

2925
04:27:42,530 --> 04:27:45,050
You know, it doesn't make the point, and I agree from what I've said before.

2926
04:27:45,530 --> 04:27:53,710
The mere fact that the applicant indemnifies the city doesn't, first, if a third party gets harmed,

2927
04:27:53,710 --> 04:28:06,550
that is not very meaningful because easily the liability if there were one could exceed the wherewithal of the applicant to satisfy a judgment and then somebody would be looking to the city as well.

2928
04:28:07,290 --> 04:28:21,850
And I don't ever make decisions on whether there will or won't be potential liability, I mean, I've been a lawyer for 40 years and when I represent my clients, that's what I tell them, don't ask me the question, what will my potential liability be if I don't do the right thing?

2929
04:28:21,850 --> 04:28:24,410
The question is, what's the right thing to do?

2930
04:28:24,870 --> 04:28:27,310
Because if you do the right thing in the first instance,

2931
04:28:27,710 --> 04:28:29,790
you're not going to have a liability be concerned about.

2932
04:28:30,850 --> 04:28:32,570
Could you get sued? Sure.

2933
04:28:33,230 --> 04:28:37,730
The great thing about this country is it takes $75 for a filing fee or whatever it is,

2934
04:28:37,810 --> 04:28:39,910
and anyone can sue anybody for anything.

2935
04:28:40,570 --> 04:28:42,390
But the judicial system works it out.

2936
04:28:42,730 --> 04:28:46,070
And as Trevor said, it's not impossible to be liable for something

2937
04:28:46,070 --> 04:28:48,330
when you're a municipality approving a building permit.

2938
04:28:48,330 --> 04:28:54,950
But it's extremely rare and it would require something a lot more than simply having made the wrong decision and we shouldn't be

2939
04:28:54,950 --> 04:29:01,610
We shouldn't be getting all tied up worrying about liability when we should be trying to decide what's the right thing to do

2940
04:29:01,610 --> 04:29:05,330
Let me just go in and you know think of the discussion we've had here

2941
04:29:06,330 --> 04:29:08,150
however long now, okay

2942
04:29:09,830 --> 04:29:15,150
How do you think this is gonna be absorbed by the staff when they start going through this thing?

2943
04:29:15,150 --> 04:29:19,450
I mean, you think it's going to be a complex thing for everybody to understand and they

2944
04:29:19,450 --> 04:29:21,730
should be know what the hell we're doing, and we do it right.

2945
04:29:22,090 --> 04:29:28,090
And let me give you this process that said we can trust the professionals.

2946
04:29:28,710 --> 04:29:32,110
Go back to the motel who was being built across from the pier.

2947
04:29:33,310 --> 04:29:33,470
All right?

2948
04:29:33,930 --> 04:29:37,030
Doug Burr has been constructing stuff in the city for a long, long time.

2949
04:29:37,770 --> 04:29:42,690
And he proposed a garage that subterranean garage that really wasn't subterranean.

2950
04:29:42,690 --> 04:29:48,710
All it was was built on the same level they put some dirt around the side and call this up to her any and the staff approved it

2951
04:29:49,110 --> 04:29:50,410
Staff approved it

2952
04:29:51,330 --> 04:29:52,850
So I'm just saying you know look

2953
04:29:54,130 --> 04:29:59,890
To some point we have to we're paying Yolanda and her staff a lot of money and not a lot of money

2954
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,120
Probably not enough in line to apologize for that. But I mean, that's their job. That's where they hire these. Look, I don't, I don't know how many of these permits you've taken a look yet, or cable is taken a look yet. They've come into your channel. You don't, you've never seen one of these things. These people have, and we're paying them to do that. And they're good at it. And I don't want to take it away from them. That's exactly what you're doing. You're taking it away from them ability to do. And that's wrong. It does not take away anything.

2955
04:30:29,120 --> 04:30:32,400
And it doesn't say trust anybody whatsoever.

2956
04:30:32,940 --> 04:30:39,120
It actually says before you even get to have the benefit of a doubt, you have to be all these things.

2957
04:30:39,140 --> 04:30:42,960
It's a licensed professional in the proper standard, in the proper field.

2958
04:30:43,240 --> 04:30:54,420
But what this ultimately says is that it is the city that makes a decision as to whether the proposal is within a range that the law permits.

2959
04:30:57,620 --> 04:31:14,420
We're just, that's exactly right, we're not really changing, we're memorializing it, it says community director, we're trusting her, we're, this is what we're doing, we're just putting it pen to paper, voting on it, if there are things that you don't like, we can change some of those things.

2960
04:31:14,420 --> 04:31:27,780
And we still haven't heard Mary-Anne's objections, and I'm not sure, I don't think Doug's finished either, but I mean, Steve, I really, I hear you coming at this from a standpoint of being defensive that this is a criticism that we haven't done things right, that the residents, no matter what aren't going to be satisfied.

2961
04:31:28,100 --> 04:31:36,120
That is not at all the purpose of this, and in fact, I didn't hear from the comments at all that this is something that they're going to be dissatisfied with no matter what we do.

2962
04:31:36,120 --> 04:31:44,740
they wanted more. They may want more, but they're allowed to ask for everything and anything they want.

2963
04:31:44,860 --> 04:31:47,600
They could ask for us to build their houses for them and to put them up tomorrow.

2964
04:31:47,820 --> 04:31:52,880
This mentality of that they're not entitled to ask for things is strange to me.

2965
04:31:53,540 --> 04:31:58,000
This has been pervasive that I've been noticing for a very long time since I've been here.

2966
04:31:58,420 --> 04:32:02,360
And I don't really appreciate it because I'm a resident. And if my house burned down,

2967
04:32:02,360 --> 04:32:06,160
I would be here hoping to get what I needed from my council.

2968
04:32:06,720 --> 04:32:12,500
They are entitled to these things and the staff is entitled to have a great working relationship here.

2969
04:32:12,900 --> 04:32:15,740
Everybody is entitled. We can do everything at once.

2970
04:32:15,940 --> 04:32:19,480
We don't have to exclude one party and we're defending another.

2971
04:32:19,760 --> 04:32:22,500
This us against them thing is so bizarre to me.

2972
04:32:23,040 --> 04:32:25,280
We're trying to do what council people do.

2973
04:32:25,880 --> 04:32:27,420
We're trying to support staff.

2974
04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:29,440
We're not criticizing staff.

2975
04:32:29,600 --> 04:32:31,280
We think we've done a fabulous job.

2976
04:32:31,280 --> 04:32:45,740
We're also trying to listen to residents, and also we know we are in a disaster prone city, so instead of not preparing for the next one, we have tools that we can just trust, but there's so much mistrust.

2977
04:32:46,020 --> 04:32:58,700
You know, and also after the fire, the staff, after taking some time, came to us with a bunch of municipal code amendment proposals, and we didn't necessarily, a lot of it, we didn't understand exactly what they meant.

2978
04:32:58,700 --> 04:33:00,560
The residents didn't understand what they meant.

2979
04:33:00,840 --> 04:33:03,540
We had to have meetings to talk about what they meant.

2980
04:33:03,920 --> 04:33:05,380
We tweaked some of the words, man.

2981
04:33:05,540 --> 04:33:07,060
We listened to the explanations.

2982
04:33:07,280 --> 04:33:11,900
We didn't just have a knee-jerk reaction of, you know, no, we don't like the fact that this is being proposed.

2983
04:33:12,100 --> 04:33:13,060
We don't want to make changes.

2984
04:33:13,440 --> 04:33:13,980
We listened.

2985
04:33:14,580 --> 04:33:17,080
We knew that they were coming from the right place.

2986
04:33:17,220 --> 04:33:19,020
That they were intended to benefit the residents.

2987
04:33:19,540 --> 04:33:22,360
We wanted to make sure we didn't go too far and do the wrong thing.

2988
04:33:22,660 --> 04:33:25,040
All the right things that we should be doing now with this, too.

2989
04:33:25,360 --> 04:33:27,580
But the mere fact this isn't coming from the staff.

2990
04:33:27,580 --> 04:33:31,640
and the mere fact that there may be questions about what it means means we should be having

2991
04:33:31,640 --> 04:33:36,100
a discussion about what does this mean should we change this word or shouldn't we change

2992
04:33:36,100 --> 04:33:40,800
this word do we like this concept or don't we like this concept and that's what we're

2993
04:33:40,800 --> 04:33:45,060
trying to do but we shouldn't just be like oh there's problems so let's throw this out

2994
04:33:45,060 --> 04:33:49,600
we don't do this which is the sense which is what I sense is the attitude we're not saying

2995
04:33:49,600 --> 04:33:54,880
to throw the whole thing out but the problem that you presented here is and I'm using number

2996
04:33:54,880 --> 04:34:01,200
Section 1, the idea that the applicants professional wins in the conversation.

2997
04:34:01,720 --> 04:34:09,020
I know if I was turning the end of plan for rebuilding, and I had an architect that presented something,

2998
04:34:09,500 --> 04:34:13,540
I want the city staff to be the quality control to make sure that's correct.

2999
04:34:14,180 --> 04:34:18,880
And not just say, oh, you submitted it by, and you're going to license the stamp, go for it.

3000
04:34:18,980 --> 04:34:19,880
It's not what it says.

3001
04:34:20,380 --> 04:34:21,060
That's what it says.

3002
04:34:21,520 --> 04:34:23,480
Everyone out there knows it's not what it says.

3003
04:34:23,480 --> 04:34:26,420
Yes, every single one of these residents knows that's not what it says.

3004
04:34:26,540 --> 04:34:28,840
Our lawyer knows that's not what it says.

3005
04:34:29,140 --> 04:34:29,500
Yes, go.

3006
04:34:31,440 --> 04:34:32,160
I'm sorry.

3007
04:34:34,280 --> 04:34:48,220
I know that you are the policy makers, but that I'm the implementer and it really states what I'm getting out of it, that it is to the same engineer submit in the plans that they're going to be the one.

3008
04:34:48,220 --> 04:34:54,960
The way is written and it's not clear for interpretation and I'm just letting you know as my recommendations are your building official.

3009
04:34:55,340 --> 04:34:58,520
The other thing that I want to make clear on assumption of risk and release.

3010
04:34:59,220 --> 04:35:07,100
When an assumption of risk and release for your technical is submitted, as fill out, we still do a review.

3011
04:35:07,700 --> 04:35:09,900
We put the minimum core compliance.

3012
04:35:09,900 --> 04:35:17,640
We ask for structural calculations, we ask for Title 24, we ask for your technical engineers report.

3013
04:35:18,340 --> 04:35:26,860
So what the assumption of risk and release is letting the property owner know that, hey, there is a risk on your property.

3014
04:35:29,280 --> 04:35:34,740
We will not be able to issue a permit if we don't feel that it's safe.

3015
04:35:35,940 --> 04:35:42,540
So, when we put our staff for compliance, when we do a review, it's safe for the intended

3016
04:35:42,540 --> 04:35:43,160
use.

3017
04:35:44,460 --> 04:35:53,080
The assumption of risk is that the proposed structure is still deemed safe, but it's acknowledged

3018
04:35:53,080 --> 04:35:55,080
to be in a geohaser area.

3019
04:35:55,420 --> 04:35:56,480
That's all it is.

3020
04:35:58,110 --> 04:36:08,130
The interpretation, the number two, when you're state that liberalize the process of security and building court approval.

3021
04:36:08,530 --> 04:36:17,710
I am not sure what your statement indicates, because as a building official and as a representative for your building safety,

3022
04:36:18,870 --> 04:36:22,610
we are here to the mandatory minimum building court compliance.

3023
04:36:23,930 --> 04:36:29,470
So, it's now for us to make it more liberal, more flexible, or more stringent.

3024
04:36:29,930 --> 04:36:31,110
We need to be neutral.

3025
04:36:33,620 --> 04:36:38,460
The other statement that is a paragraph to eliminate the need for

3026
04:36:38,460 --> 04:36:44,960
your technical analysis, for a life for life disaster rebuilt, to be reconstructed on

3027
04:36:44,960 --> 04:36:45,960
flat paths.

3028
04:36:50,560 --> 04:36:53,920
And this goes back to minimum court compliance.

3029
04:36:53,920 --> 04:37:04,900
If it's already required, as a building official, there is no way to implement this, if this is happening on an active landslide.

3030
04:37:07,110 --> 04:37:18,660
So for implementation, paragraph one and two needs a little more work, because I would not be able to implement it.

3031
04:37:19,180 --> 04:37:21,660
It goes against the building code.

3032
04:37:22,760 --> 04:37:26,380
And just like I said, the Doug I agree with everything you just said, I truly do.

3033
04:37:27,120 --> 04:37:28,660
And I don't think that's what this says.

3034
04:37:29,100 --> 04:37:35,320
It says that where there are issues like that, we should explore ways to get around them.

3035
04:37:35,740 --> 04:37:37,520
Explore, doesn't say you have to succeed.

3036
04:37:38,040 --> 04:37:44,460
It says, look at it as hard as possible and see if there are ways to get what needs to be done done.

3037
04:37:44,700 --> 04:37:48,040
If not, it can't be done but I want to ask the city attorney because I'm sure it's with it.

3038
04:37:48,040 --> 04:37:54,880
Does this say that we have to defer to license professionals anywhere?

3039
04:37:59,090 --> 04:38:01,550
We're talking about section one.

3040
04:38:01,690 --> 04:38:02,550
Let's do one first, yeah.

3041
04:38:02,850 --> 04:38:04,010
Does this say legally?

3042
04:38:04,190 --> 04:38:06,170
Does this say we have to defer to license professionals?

3043
04:38:06,470 --> 04:38:09,010
Because that was not what was intended, and I don't believe the word say that.

3044
04:38:13,320 --> 04:38:18,440
Well, you have the city staff shall defer to the stamped and certified decision of the civil engineer employed by an applicant.

3045
04:38:18,820 --> 04:38:25,200
So long as such, there are license basically in California and experienced in that, so you do have that language.

3046
04:38:25,200 --> 04:38:27,320
would read the whole sentence from the beginning.

3047
04:38:28,520 --> 04:38:34,300
To that end, whenever there is a difference of opinion on an issue that the Community Development Department,

3048
04:38:35,780 --> 04:38:42,020
CDD Director, direct, connects us to be a difference of opinion upon which reasonable professional civil engineers might differ.

3049
04:38:42,280 --> 04:38:47,760
The city staff shall defer to the stamped and certified decision of the civil engineer employed by the applicant.

3050
04:38:47,760 --> 04:38:51,640
So wouldn't in order to meet the first requirement,

3051
04:38:52,020 --> 04:38:55,020
doesn't the city have to first decide it meets the law?

3052
04:38:56,860 --> 04:39:01,880
It comes down to the community development director,

3053
04:39:02,580 --> 04:39:07,580
believes that there's a difference of opinion,

3054
04:39:08,240 --> 04:39:11,520
basically a reasonable difference of opinion about the issue.

3055
04:39:12,040 --> 04:39:14,060
If there can't be a reasonable difference of opinion,

3056
04:39:14,260 --> 04:39:17,600
then this community development director would not have to defer.

3057
04:39:17,600 --> 04:39:18,720
That's the intention, right?

3058
04:39:19,060 --> 04:39:27,700
Right. If there's not a, if the community director does not determine it's a reasonable proposal, then they don't have to defer to it.

3059
04:39:29,520 --> 04:39:33,520
So the gatekeeper is the city at all times.

3060
04:39:34,260 --> 04:39:39,800
And again, if the language needs to be tweaked to make it even clearer, let's talk about tweaking the language,

3061
04:39:39,800 --> 04:39:45,080
but let's not get held up thinking it means something different than it does, and then saying no,

3062
04:39:45,080 --> 04:39:47,440
So, why don't we try to find a way to get to yes?

3063
04:39:48,440 --> 04:40:00,280
If I could, and I want to go to Mary Ann, but isn't this the process, if it's what you think it is, that we're already doing right now, the applicant submits the geology report.

3064
04:40:00,800 --> 04:40:07,180
The city looks at it and says no, we don't agree with it, and the city wins, which you're saying the city loses.

3065
04:40:07,600 --> 04:40:13,080
Now, if there's always this within a range of what could be possible, my slab examples are perfect example.

3066
04:40:13,080 --> 04:40:19,160
post-entian slaves are built everywhere, but they're not built in Malibu on my street.

3067
04:40:22,830 --> 04:40:29,990
First of all, I think it is exactly what we're doing now after six to nine months of hashing it out,

3068
04:40:30,210 --> 04:40:34,770
which I commend Yolanda and her staff for getting to that point.

3069
04:40:34,910 --> 04:40:36,950
I commend the City Council for getting to that point as well.

3070
04:40:37,610 --> 04:40:43,190
And this is intended to memorialize where we've gotten to and where the staff has gotten to

3071
04:40:43,190 --> 04:40:47,050
without a formal policy that approves where they've gotten to.

3072
04:40:47,430 --> 04:40:52,990
So I think it really does do nothing more than memorialize as a City Council policy where

3073
04:40:52,990 --> 04:40:53,570
we are.

3074
04:40:54,190 --> 04:41:00,410
And to the extent that anyone here believes the language goes further than that, or even

3075
04:41:00,410 --> 04:41:05,210
worse, if anyone here thinks the language goes to a point which is inappropriate or unlawful,

3076
04:41:05,770 --> 04:41:08,450
let's fix the language to make sure that it doesn't.

3077
04:41:09,350 --> 04:41:14,870
But the point is, this is supposed to provide a road map not only for now, and it's actually

3078
04:41:14,870 --> 04:41:16,010
the road map that's already been built.

3079
04:41:16,530 --> 04:41:22,430
A road map for now, but a road map for the future, so that the next disaster, as Arno said,

3080
04:41:22,570 --> 04:41:25,310
you just pulled out of the drawer, and there it is, it's already there.

3081
04:41:25,590 --> 04:41:28,150
It's not a question of, well, what did we do last time?

3082
04:41:28,230 --> 04:41:31,350
Let's think about it, and do we agree that we should do the same thing this time?

3083
04:41:31,850 --> 04:41:34,930
It's a policy that could be pulled out and applied.

3084
04:41:35,330 --> 04:41:37,330
It doesn't have to be created again.

3085
04:41:37,330 --> 04:41:40,270
You don't have to keep reinventing the wheel every time we have an disaster.

3086
04:41:41,070 --> 04:41:42,810
So yes, it is what we're doing now.

3087
04:41:43,590 --> 04:41:48,210
As I said, it was a result of sitting here for the past year.

3088
04:41:48,710 --> 04:41:49,810
It's like after me.

3089
04:41:49,970 --> 04:41:54,190
The thesis, it's the culmination, it's the end result, it feels like a little bow is put

3090
04:41:54,190 --> 04:41:56,310
on it, it's a closure, it's a document.

3091
04:41:58,050 --> 04:42:04,690
And again, if you don't like some of the things, it's open for a discussion, but to just throw

3092
04:42:04,690 --> 04:42:10,190
out because I think you think what it says, or you're interpreting it in a way that you believe

3093
04:42:11,950 --> 04:42:16,050
is possibly. And maybe you need to we need to take a little bit more time and you guys

3094
04:42:17,310 --> 04:42:21,450
need to reread it. Yeah, but you know, this is the problem of the Brown Act week. This is your

3095
04:42:21,450 --> 04:42:26,170
way. You can talk to each other about this and get it done. Let me defer to Mary and I talked

3096
04:42:26,170 --> 04:42:33,150
long enough. Okay, so I hear the community. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you want. Everything

3097
04:42:33,150 --> 04:42:42,010
else. I appreciate the council members that put this together. I appreciate what the

3098
04:42:42,010 --> 04:42:48,750
other council members have said to this. I think that my

3099
04:42:51,050 --> 04:42:53,550
first pass through this, I just

3100
04:42:53,550 --> 04:42:59,490
kept writing micromanaging staff, micromanaging staff, micromanaging staff. Now that I've had

3101
04:42:59,490 --> 04:43:06,070
I had a chance to hear from the council members who put this together and hear from the

3102
04:43:06,070 --> 04:43:07,390
community and everything else.

3103
04:43:09,820 --> 04:43:16,920
Here that there are people who don't understand what exists in the city process, what has

3104
04:43:16,920 --> 04:43:23,000
been done by previous councils, going back all the way to the 93 fire that was right on

3105
04:43:23,000 --> 04:43:30,000
the city hadn't even gotten its feet settled yet, and then this major disaster happens.

3106
04:43:30,000 --> 04:43:40,620
And then the mudslides following them, I think that the municipal code and the local

3107
04:43:40,620 --> 04:43:49,580
coastal program had the exemptions and the natural disaster rebuild codes already

3108
04:43:49,580 --> 04:43:50,060
in them.

3109
04:43:50,420 --> 04:43:55,780
I think that it's been a policy of all the councils that have encountered the disasters.

3110
04:43:57,260 --> 04:44:06,560
93, 2007, 2018, they have all led with, we want people to rebuild their homes.

3111
04:44:07,240 --> 04:44:12,580
Now, the problem is, we don't know why people didn't rebuild after Woolsey.

3112
04:44:13,160 --> 04:44:18,540
The city had some responsibility on that, COVID had some other responsibility on that.

3113
04:44:18,540 --> 04:44:26,840
And there are a lot of external, extenuating circumstances that have led to people not rebuilding.

3114
04:44:27,340 --> 04:44:29,340
And we do need to acknowledge that.

3115
04:44:29,560 --> 04:44:34,800
We do need to acknowledge that people are underinsured, that they had life circumstances

3116
04:44:35,340 --> 04:44:39,080
that took them in a different direction when it came time to rebuild.

3117
04:44:40,840 --> 04:44:46,360
I appreciate this document in as much as that I know that there are people who are looking

3118
04:44:46,360 --> 04:44:53,980
for the city to just have a policy of, yeah, we're going to be very conservative on new buildings,

3119
04:44:54,480 --> 04:44:59,360
but when it comes to rebuilding, it's all hands go.

3120
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,920
I think our codes say that already. Obviously, our community doesn't think that. Obviously, there are council members that don't think that. And so, you're looking to have something that makes it very clear that rebuilding gets priority over everything. I think the things that we've done over the last year have shown that this particular council feels this way. I think that the staff, I know that they were in the EOC emergency operations

3121
04:45:29,920 --> 04:45:35,320
center and they were already looking at the codes and what needed to be modified because

3122
04:45:35,320 --> 04:45:41,440
of the nature of where this particular disaster hit and they did that after Woolsey, they

3123
04:45:41,440 --> 04:45:46,940
did it after palisades and they'll do it after the next one, though I don't know what

3124
04:45:47,480 --> 04:45:53,080
other things could be needed after those two disasters to be honest with you, but I'm sure

3125
04:45:53,080 --> 04:45:53,960
there will be something.

3126
04:45:55,460 --> 04:45:59,160
Given that we've been talking about this for an hour and a half, we still have other

3127
04:45:59,160 --> 04:46:04,980
things on the council, I would suggest that we schedule a workshop to actually sit down

3128
04:46:04,980 --> 04:46:12,280
and go through what this, because I think there's three of us up here that don't read this,

3129
04:46:12,500 --> 04:46:19,820
the same way that the two people that put this together, and it needs some more time in order

3130
04:46:19,820 --> 04:46:29,640
in order to get to a place that I think any of us would feel comfortable with supporting it and moving it forward.

3131
04:46:29,880 --> 04:46:35,880
So my suggestion is that we pause on this and finish the rest of the business on our agenda.

3132
04:46:36,160 --> 04:46:41,200
I'm interestingly, Helen and I had wanted this to be a workshop from the day we presented it.

3133
04:46:41,540 --> 04:46:48,120
And again, because of the way the city was being run at the time because we're still semi-rutterless.

3134
04:46:48,120 --> 04:46:52,640
I don't, with no disrespect intended, but you know, we don't, we don't have a permanent

3135
04:46:52,640 --> 04:46:55,040
city manager who's been a city manager.

3136
04:46:56,280 --> 04:46:58,180
We had wanted this to be a workshop.

3137
04:46:58,660 --> 04:47:02,880
I think a lot of the issues that we're dealing with tonight in an awkward way could have

3138
04:47:02,880 --> 04:47:04,320
been dealt with in a lot better way.

3139
04:47:05,140 --> 04:47:07,480
But we didn't have the right to call a workshop.

3140
04:47:07,640 --> 04:47:09,080
We had the right to put it on an agenda.

3141
04:47:10,160 --> 04:47:12,420
And it's been on the agenda now for two months.

3142
04:47:12,880 --> 04:47:16,700
And we've been trying to get it to the point where we actually, our attention, the very first

3143
04:47:16,700 --> 04:47:22,740
we had it on there was to say, let's put this on a workshop, so I actually concur with that.

3144
04:47:23,640 --> 04:47:28,980
I also didn't feel that, you know, a lot of this stuff has already been done.

3145
04:47:29,400 --> 04:47:37,080
Almost all of it's already been done. So the urgency of getting this in place is less than it was, as you know,

3146
04:47:37,880 --> 04:47:40,620
keeps being said, I wrote an article about the six months ago.

3147
04:47:41,760 --> 04:47:45,320
And I'm remiss for not having pressed to have it put on the agenda back then.

3148
04:47:45,840 --> 04:47:48,820
So, to the residents, I apologize for not having done that.

3149
04:47:49,760 --> 04:48:00,760
But, you know, a good example of in here is this has a provision towards the end of paragraph two about finding ways to let people use their existing septics and their existing foundations.

3150
04:48:01,080 --> 04:48:09,040
And until a couple of weeks ago, the being able to use your existing septic system, if it wasn't destroyed, was still a gating issue.

3151
04:48:09,500 --> 04:48:14,800
And it was finally, and it was resolved, to the, you know, by our great staff, Yalanda took the lead on that.

3152
04:48:14,800 --> 04:48:15,900
And that was resolved.

3153
04:48:16,560 --> 04:48:18,120
This has been pressing for that.

3154
04:48:18,380 --> 04:48:21,080
I've been saying that in writing for many months,

3155
04:48:21,180 --> 04:48:23,880
Helen has been, and it was in this proposal.

3156
04:48:24,460 --> 04:48:29,800
And the events have passed the requirement that we try to find a way to get it done.

3157
04:48:30,220 --> 04:48:33,840
We still have to find a way if possible to let people use foundations.

3158
04:48:33,940 --> 04:48:36,460
Maybe that's already been done, but it has.

3159
04:48:36,840 --> 04:48:41,020
So again, these are not creating new rules.

3160
04:48:41,020 --> 04:48:47,600
These are memorializing as policy that which we've all struggled with so

3161
04:48:47,600 --> 04:48:49,880
mightily and gotten to the point of doing.

3162
04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:53,180
But having a workshop, I support that, I suspect talent does.

3163
04:48:53,480 --> 04:49:01,040
Let's schedule a workshop if I feel bad suggesting there's a residence that we have to wait a little while longer,

3164
04:49:01,140 --> 04:49:03,280
but maybe it makes sense to do it once Joe comes in.

3165
04:49:04,100 --> 04:49:08,760
And we can do it and he can coordinate with the staff better, the way it would have been done.

3166
04:49:08,760 --> 04:49:14,740
had come from the staff in the first place. But, you know, let's just not throw this out. I think

3167
04:49:14,740 --> 04:49:20,100
it's an important piece of policy that we owe it to the community to put into place and we owe it

3168
04:49:20,100 --> 04:49:25,000
to future city councils to put into place. I disagree with that, but I'd rather they have the

3169
04:49:25,000 --> 04:49:27,520
opportunity to think

3170
04:49:29,890 --> 04:49:35,050
about the specific nature of those disasters, when and if they come, how they

3171
04:49:35,050 --> 04:49:39,750
that city wants to respond and that council wants to respond at that time, where we've already got

3172
04:49:39,750 --> 04:49:44,930
I just want to go back to the opening comments that Doug made regarding getting some feedback

3173
04:49:44,930 --> 04:49:49,210
from the staff in terms of what you know I had the experience.

3174
04:49:49,390 --> 04:49:54,050
We filled the company all right we did it under this rule so we're going to get it down

3175
04:49:54,050 --> 04:49:58,490
in two years period all right so we made up what we thought was the right rule but we sat

3176
04:49:58,490 --> 04:50:03,670
down with everybody in that company and we said here's what we're going to do and they have

3177
04:50:03,670 --> 04:50:08,030
a chance to come back to say that works that's going to work that's stupid all right and

3178
04:50:08,030 --> 04:50:13,770
And so when we got to the end of making the final decision, even though we thought we knew exactly what the hell we're supposed to be doing,

3179
04:50:13,990 --> 04:50:16,290
we got better input as a result of talking to them.

3180
04:50:16,430 --> 04:50:21,490
So I just don't think we want to do this without a conversation with the folks who actually have to do the work,

3181
04:50:21,570 --> 04:50:23,610
because they've forgotten more about this than I'm ever going to know.

3182
04:50:23,930 --> 04:50:24,090
Yeah.

3183
04:50:25,150 --> 04:50:27,930
Before you start healing, I just wanted to address things.

3184
04:50:28,070 --> 04:50:34,050
So the foundation said since Wolsey, it's the same policy they were using in Wolsey.

3185
04:50:34,790 --> 04:50:37,390
So that's not something that just got done.

3186
04:50:37,390 --> 04:50:40,950
It has been, the documents have been available.

3187
04:50:41,550 --> 04:50:43,770
People have been able to get, for the rebuild center,

3188
04:50:43,890 --> 04:50:45,310
they've been able to get it from the website.

3189
04:50:46,210 --> 04:50:49,110
So that goes back, you know, six years,

3190
04:50:49,510 --> 04:50:51,670
where it's already been in process.

3191
04:50:52,090 --> 04:50:53,610
So that's what I'm kind of talking about,

3192
04:50:53,610 --> 04:50:55,970
that there's, there's information that's out there,

3193
04:50:56,050 --> 04:51:00,810
but people aren't either adopting it or whichever.

3194
04:51:01,210 --> 04:51:01,670
So go ahead.

3195
04:51:01,870 --> 04:51:04,930
And I think, so what I've heard from,

3196
04:51:04,930 --> 04:51:10,350
from, I mean, forever is just to be proactive and to not—and to be less reactive.

3197
04:51:10,610 --> 04:51:17,130
And I felt that, you know, these are unprecedented earthquakes or unprecedented, fires are

3198
04:51:17,130 --> 04:51:23,630
unprecedented. If another council—I know I would totally appreciate just having a guide

3199
04:51:23,630 --> 04:51:27,770
book—and I don't have to adopt it—but with my council members at that time, I could

3200
04:51:27,770 --> 04:51:31,430
say, well, this is what they did in 2025. This works, this works, this doesn't work. And

3201
04:51:31,430 --> 04:51:40,590
And it might save them time, and it might not, but having that option of the information is so important just to have this sort of structure and foundation for the city.

3202
04:51:41,390 --> 04:51:47,930
Because to me, somehow it feels a little irresponsible for us to go through all of this, and I'm grateful that we have it on video.

3203
04:51:48,150 --> 04:51:56,630
But to have these documents in policy, if I was a council member in ten years, and I go, oh my god, they lived through policies and they didn't have a policy from that.

3204
04:51:56,630 --> 04:52:01,230
I think I would feel like it was irresponsible.

3205
04:52:01,990 --> 04:52:04,950
So that to me, I think there's a little bit of defensiveness

3206
04:52:04,950 --> 04:52:07,070
and everybody should sleep on this

3207
04:52:07,070 --> 04:52:10,510
and because it's not intended again to criticize

3208
04:52:10,510 --> 04:52:14,090
or say that anybody's doing a bad job in my opinion.

3209
04:52:14,390 --> 04:52:16,950
It's literally like, it's our job to make policy

3210
04:52:16,950 --> 04:52:19,910
and we've explored all of these things for a year

3211
04:52:19,910 --> 04:52:21,270
and we're putting into a document.

3212
04:52:21,610 --> 04:52:23,570
So we'll sleep on it and we'll come back to it

3213
04:52:23,570 --> 04:52:25,290
in a workshop, I think,

3214
04:52:25,290 --> 04:52:30,690
because that would be great, as Bruce said, I was hoping for an open dialogue with people

3215
04:52:30,690 --> 04:52:38,590
where we don't have to be up here doing this in a very structured format. So, do we vote

3216
04:52:38,590 --> 04:52:45,730
on that? I mean, do we need a vote on this or are we just directing staff?

3217
04:52:46,030 --> 04:52:51,330
I think there's consensus from the body to schedule a workshop and it will be after the new City

3218
04:52:51,330 --> 04:52:53,990
the new city manager to schedule a workshop with the new city manager.

3219
04:52:55,150 --> 04:52:55,950
So, yeah.

3220
04:52:57,130 --> 04:53:01,390
And so, one of the comments is I had comments generally for the community too.

3221
04:53:01,970 --> 04:53:04,530
I don't think Danny and others have said so.

3222
04:53:04,630 --> 04:53:11,670
I do not believe it's fair though to be calling 22 building permits a monumental failure.

3223
04:53:12,250 --> 04:53:19,130
There are plenty of reasons why it has taken, the time it's taken for the ones to be approved to be approved.

3224
04:53:19,130 --> 04:53:25,830
And I do believe that it doesn't help to be criticizing the staff as claiming a failure.

3225
04:53:27,070 --> 04:53:32,830
And whoever said it was Scott, the math is 22 and one year means it'll take 27 for all of them.

3226
04:53:33,730 --> 04:53:38,910
There's an exponential improvement, it's not that you're going to get 22 a year every year.

3227
04:53:38,990 --> 04:53:42,830
And there's going to be plenty of the dark going to be built full stop because people are just going to decide they're not capable.

3228
04:53:43,730 --> 04:53:47,470
And that happens every time, everywhere, despite the best of abilities.

3229
04:53:48,310 --> 04:53:56,630
So I think the staff is doing an amazing job, and this was intended to memorialize a lot of the things that they've done already, and to try to put them in place.

3230
04:53:57,070 --> 04:54:05,110
And whatever we vote on this doesn't prove electability or not electability because I'll tell you, I'm not electable no matter what, because I'm turned out.

3231
04:54:08,220 --> 04:54:11,860
Okay, so we're going to move on to the next item.

3232
04:54:12,720 --> 04:54:13,920
Okay, so around 5 a.

3233
04:54:14,260 --> 04:54:15,360
Thank you all for your comments.

3234
04:54:18,020 --> 04:54:21,980
There are things in here that are workable and probably need to be documented.

3235
04:54:22,740 --> 04:54:28,700
But I think there are issues that we have with this, some of its language, some of its philosophy.

3236
04:54:29,400 --> 04:54:35,480
But I would encourage everybody in the phrases used oftentimes in management, participatory management.

3237
04:54:36,200 --> 04:54:41,360
It's amazing what the people on the shop floor know that the engineers in the offices don't.

3238
04:54:41,360 --> 04:54:43,600
And that's where you start getting this all together.

3239
04:54:43,800 --> 04:54:44,960
Go back to the state's point.

3240
04:54:46,020 --> 04:54:47,460
When you build it with a team,

3241
04:54:48,000 --> 04:54:50,040
you'd be surprised how much better it's going to be.

3242
04:54:50,040 --> 04:54:51,580
This is a very inhibited process.

3243
04:54:51,940 --> 04:54:53,600
Yeah, I mean, the genuine question.

3244
04:54:53,940 --> 04:54:56,640
If this was something you were trying to accomplish

3245
04:54:56,640 --> 04:54:59,080
and you had these ideas and you thought they made sense

3246
04:54:59,080 --> 04:55:03,180
and you were dealing with a city who staff was overwhelmed

3247
04:55:03,180 --> 04:55:06,460
with the rebuild process and didn't have time

3248
04:55:06,460 --> 04:55:09,380
to do the normal evaluation of something.

3249
04:55:09,380 --> 04:55:16,580
And you had a city manager who wasn't willing to impose this on the staff and appropriately so.

3250
04:55:16,960 --> 04:55:22,140
And you're not allowed to talk to the staff beyond the city manager and the director level.

3251
04:55:22,520 --> 04:55:27,360
How would you go about getting your consensus from the staff to be able to present something to the city council?

3252
04:55:27,800 --> 04:55:30,980
It's a failure if you're not able to sell the concept to somebody.

3253
04:55:31,660 --> 04:55:36,520
And honestly, if your job is a leader and

3254
04:55:36,520 --> 04:55:39,960
And I think it's Michelle has a comment that he always puts on his emails.

3255
04:55:40,460 --> 04:55:43,680
He can't explain it to a six-year-old you don't know what you're talking about.

3256
04:55:44,680 --> 04:55:49,840
So that's where I think you have to be able to sell the concept that we need to have this and invest the time.

3257
04:55:50,600 --> 04:55:52,860
And honestly, we've spent enough time right now.

3258
04:55:52,960 --> 04:55:56,320
We could have gotten a lot of his input on this and

3259
04:55:56,320 --> 04:55:59,060
be able to build some of this and come back with maybe iterations.

3260
04:56:00,900 --> 04:56:04,280
Look, it takes time to build a successful result.

3261
04:56:04,880 --> 04:56:10,580
And that's what it, it's Steve's point, it, you got to, you got to work through the

3262
04:56:10,580 --> 04:56:15,900
mines and get the census note. It's not the five of us up here to do this.

3263
04:56:16,220 --> 04:56:20,480
That's what we're trying to do. I think that there's a misconception that we're not trying

3264
04:56:20,480 --> 04:56:24,960
to do that, but I think that Bruce, we've asked for workshops over and over and over again.

3265
04:56:25,040 --> 04:56:29,720
We've asked for collaborations with desks that are down there where we can talk about these

3266
04:56:29,720 --> 04:56:35,820
things. This is strange facts notion that you're saying that we're not building consensus.

3267
04:56:36,400 --> 04:56:39,680
The Brown Act is not a consensus building activity.

3268
04:56:40,140 --> 04:56:45,680
Okay, I'm sorry. We really have other stuff we need to. Let's talk about this at the

3269
04:56:45,680 --> 04:56:50,300
workshop. We can have an encounter of items in the future, but we've got some things that

3270
04:56:50,300 --> 04:56:56,580
we need to do tonight. I think we all have heard each other. We're willing to talk and flesh

3271
04:56:56,580 --> 04:57:00,400
this out some more, nobody's dismissing it slight out of hand.

3272
04:57:00,780 --> 04:57:02,260
We're not chewing it away.

3273
04:57:02,900 --> 04:57:09,200
We're just giving us an opportunity where we can actually have a more robust long term conversation.

3274
04:57:09,540 --> 04:57:15,200
So I would like us to move on to 5A before we have to start calling all these things special things.

3275
04:57:15,400 --> 04:57:15,400
So

3276
04:57:18,020 --> 04:57:20,420
5A, do we have a staff report?

3277
04:57:21,580 --> 04:57:27,000
Anybody wants to comment, put it in a speaker's slip for 5A, please do so now or forever hold your piece.

3278
04:57:27,000 --> 04:57:31,290
Do we have any online?

3279
04:57:33,350 --> 04:57:36,090
We have no speaker slips and one raised hand.

3280
04:57:37,070 --> 04:57:38,990
Nolanda, will you please guide us through it here, please?

3281
04:57:39,290 --> 04:57:39,390
Yes.

3282
04:57:41,410 --> 04:57:43,570
It's a very short presentation.

3283
04:57:44,970 --> 04:57:52,770
Just a background on December 8, we brought to you, City Council, emergency ordinance, number

3284
04:57:52,770 --> 04:57:59,010
for 3.531U to incorporate the new state building codes,

3285
04:57:59,630 --> 04:58:02,470
and also bring the first reading of the ordinance.

3286
04:58:03,310 --> 04:58:06,650
At that time, we recommend to do a second reading

3287
04:58:06,650 --> 04:58:11,010
of the ordinance, and that is what we're doing this evening.

3288
04:58:12,470 --> 04:58:15,050
I think Claire Frank questions, but I cancel.

3289
04:58:16,930 --> 04:58:19,090
Just one quick question.

3290
04:58:19,090 --> 04:58:24,410
How much flexibility do we have to make changes to this or not accept it?

3291
04:58:25,530 --> 04:58:25,850
None.

3292
04:58:26,770 --> 04:58:26,830
No.

3293
04:58:27,270 --> 04:58:27,430
Yeah.

3294
04:58:28,190 --> 04:58:28,990
It's a state law.

3295
04:58:29,150 --> 04:58:30,210
We just need to adopt it.

3296
04:58:30,370 --> 04:58:30,390
Right?

3297
04:58:30,710 --> 04:58:31,010
Yes.

3298
04:58:31,490 --> 04:58:34,150
We're following county's recommendations.

3299
04:58:34,690 --> 04:58:44,250
We also have added our usual recommended amendments due to our climatic regional and geotechnical

3300
04:58:44,250 --> 04:58:46,110
issues that the city has.

3301
04:58:46,110 --> 04:58:51,930
It's very similar to what we had in 2023 under the Building Corridor option.

3302
04:58:52,690 --> 04:58:58,390
And this is not applied to the rebuilds because we're still under the 23 correct.

3303
04:58:59,050 --> 04:58:59,730
That is correct.

3304
04:59:00,010 --> 04:59:08,890
The set of California, the governor, provided an executive order in which he allows fire

3305
04:59:08,890 --> 04:59:12,310
rebuilds to rebuild under the 2023 code.

3306
04:59:12,310 --> 04:59:19,410
There is an option if any of the fire rebels that are moving forward, they would like to

3307
04:59:19,410 --> 04:59:22,730
comply with the new code, they are allowed to do that.

3308
04:59:23,170 --> 04:59:29,590
And just to disclose to council, I have four properties that decided to move forward

3309
04:59:29,590 --> 04:59:31,170
with the 2026 codes.

3310
04:59:31,770 --> 04:59:31,850
Okay.

3311
04:59:32,390 --> 04:59:32,770
Thank you.

3312
04:59:34,720 --> 04:59:35,400
Any other questions?

3313
04:59:36,480 --> 04:59:37,400
Hello comments, please?

3314
04:59:41,660 --> 04:59:42,240
Joe Drummond.

3315
04:59:44,060 --> 04:59:44,920
Joe, are you there?

3316
04:59:46,620 --> 04:59:49,440
Hi, yes, people are saying that you can't hear me.

3317
04:59:49,560 --> 04:59:50,240
Can you hear me?

3318
04:59:50,420 --> 04:59:51,060
We can hear you?

3319
04:59:51,240 --> 04:59:51,620
Sorry.

3320
04:59:52,060 --> 04:59:52,680
We can hear you.

3321
04:59:53,900 --> 04:59:54,280
Okay.

3322
04:59:54,620 --> 04:59:58,860
Well, I'm speaking tonight specifically on the adoption of California Building Code Section

3323
04:59:58,860 --> 04:59:59,920
to 106 points.

3324
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:29,760
I agree to work exemptive, a key provision from the state and county code is being omitted. And if that admission is not corrected, it will continue to cause unnecessary hardship for mental residents. The state code explicitly provides that a built increment is not required for decks, walks and drive away is not more than 30 inches above grade, not over any basements or store it below and not part of an accessible route. I can personally attest to the consequence

3325
05:00:29,760 --> 05:00:31,880
of a meeting that is provisioned.

3326
05:00:31,880 --> 05:00:33,580
It took more than three years

3327
05:00:33,580 --> 05:00:37,060
to permit my 64-square-foot pre-standing deck,

3328
05:00:37,360 --> 05:00:39,620
which remained standing even after the fires,

3329
05:00:40,080 --> 05:00:42,920
which was designed using prescriptive engineering assumptions

3330
05:00:42,920 --> 05:00:45,620
by the way, which is routine worldwide.

3331
05:00:46,520 --> 05:00:49,120
It is not rocket science to rebuild our homes

3332
05:00:49,120 --> 05:00:50,860
in a simple engineering science.

3333
05:00:51,380 --> 05:00:54,580
For our simple deck, what should have been a simple administrative

3334
05:00:54,580 --> 05:00:59,040
review became a provolone process involving multiple geotechnical

3335
05:00:59,040 --> 05:01:05,040
studies, escalating fees, and even threats of a variance, later confirmed by the city attorney

3336
05:01:05,040 --> 05:01:11,320
to be unnecessary. A small, free-standing debt under 30 inches of off-grade is deported

3337
05:01:11,320 --> 05:01:17,260
by a modest concrete foundation should not be treated like a major addition or a hillside

3338
05:01:17,260 --> 05:01:21,460
structure. These are low-ribbist projects that should be resolved in months, not years.

3339
05:01:22,000 --> 05:01:27,040
I respectfully ask the council to do one of two things. Restore the work incentive provision

3340
05:01:27,040 --> 05:01:33,700
and exactly as written in a state code or adopted it with a clear size cap such as 200 square feet

3341
05:01:33,700 --> 05:01:39,400
for DEX to ensure it applies only to true small low impact projects. Equally important,

3342
05:01:39,540 --> 05:01:43,460
the city might just clearly explain what process applies to work exempted work.

3343
05:01:43,960 --> 05:01:48,160
In my case, the lack of clarity led to code enforcement action and a three-year or deal,

3344
05:01:48,560 --> 05:01:53,740
despite acting in good faith under the state code, to be clear this change would not affect DEX attached

3345
05:01:53,740 --> 05:01:57,560
to hire stories, elevated funds, residents, or other structures that are bitter

3346
05:01:57,560 --> 05:02:01,700
mentally required, both permitting and safe to review. Those protections would

3347
05:02:01,700 --> 05:02:06,600
remain fully intact. Directing this submission in this item would be a small

3348
05:02:06,600 --> 05:02:11,000
but meaningful reform when that aligned Malibu with state law and reflects a

3349
05:02:11,000 --> 05:02:14,860
shared commitment to making everyday projects simpler, clearer, and more

3350
05:02:14,860 --> 05:02:19,280
reasonable for the residents. I urge you to correct this as part of item 5A. Thank

3351
05:02:19,280 --> 05:02:19,560
Thank you.

3352
05:02:21,940 --> 05:02:24,880
So I can conclude our public comment.

3353
05:02:28,830 --> 05:02:30,490
Yes, those are all the public speakers.

3354
05:02:31,110 --> 05:02:32,950
Okay, so public comments close.

3355
05:02:34,070 --> 05:02:35,590
Any comments by council?

3356
05:02:36,470 --> 05:02:37,130
I have a question.

3357
05:02:37,990 --> 05:02:42,190
So what Joe is asking is what we just heard we couldn't do, which is to change it.

3358
05:02:42,810 --> 05:02:43,770
Is that what I'm hearing?

3359
05:02:44,910 --> 05:02:45,270
I'm sorry?

3360
05:02:47,050 --> 05:02:49,370
I have a graphic.

3361
05:02:50,010 --> 05:02:50,250
Oh.

3362
05:02:50,250 --> 05:02:55,230
And just to make it clear, and I have a copy of the code in front of me from the 2025 code.

3363
05:02:55,770 --> 05:02:59,750
Let me just show the council that I have the actual code right here.

3364
05:03:00,430 --> 05:03:01,370
Everybody here.

3365
05:03:01,890 --> 05:03:02,230
Thank you.

3366
05:03:02,370 --> 05:03:08,730
I have a copy of the sheet with section 105, what permits are exempted.

3367
05:03:09,070 --> 05:03:14,570
And none of them are asking for decks to be excluded or not permitted.

3368
05:03:15,010 --> 05:03:18,750
So we're staying with the regulation, and I can pass these to councils to read it.

3369
05:03:18,750 --> 05:03:30,130
In addition, I want to clarify that permits are not required for decks that are 30 inches above, and so I put a graphic together.

3370
05:03:30,670 --> 05:03:37,950
What we're talking by now on the situation of one of our residents is the foundation system.

3371
05:03:37,950 --> 05:03:48,110
It was a deep in foundation caught into the hill with an unpermitting grating, and that triggered the permit requirements, so just to clarify that for cancer.

3372
05:03:50,930 --> 05:03:54,150
I'll make a motion to approve staff recommendation.

3373
05:03:54,550 --> 05:03:54,930
I'll second.

3374
05:03:55,810 --> 05:03:57,030
I'd like to make a comment.

3375
05:03:57,590 --> 05:03:57,770
Please.

3376
05:04:00,620 --> 05:04:03,280
I've been trying to understand some of these things for years.

3377
05:04:04,140 --> 05:04:07,220
We're told all the time we don't have any discretion.

3378
05:04:09,880 --> 05:04:27,480
I'm reading the report, it expressly says, pays two or four after the chart, that these provisions apply to all building occupancies throughout the state, whether or not adopted by a local jurisdiction.

3379
05:04:28,440 --> 05:04:33,780
However, local governments will typically pass ordinances adopting those parts of the code

3380
05:04:33,780 --> 05:04:39,180
by reference, which they seek to amend in accordance with local conditions and to establish

3381
05:04:39,180 --> 05:04:47,100
administrative provisions. So it says, basically, local governments tend to affirmatively adopt these

3382
05:04:47,100 --> 05:04:53,740
even though they don't have to, but they also might seek to amend them. And then it says local amendments

3383
05:04:53,740 --> 05:04:57,460
The amendments must be specific to each edition of the code.

3384
05:04:58,060 --> 05:05:10,640
State law requires amendments to the standards be based on a governing body's expressed findings that such modification is necessary, reasonably necessary because of local climatic, geological or topographical conditions.

3385
05:05:10,980 --> 05:05:20,580
So this says very clearly we actually could, if we chose to, and we had bases for doing so, make amendments, even though this is the state default law.

3386
05:05:22,580 --> 05:05:36,140
We never study whether there are things that we believe we ought to be doing as exceptions to these rules, because we're told all the time that these are the rules like them or take them or not, that we have to adopt.

3387
05:05:36,900 --> 05:05:46,240
Actually, we don't have to adopt them at all, if we don't adopt them, they're the law, and if we do adopt them, they're also the law, and we also have the right to change them, if we have a basis for doing so.

3388
05:05:46,240 --> 05:05:55,160
But we've never once been told what basis we could apply to make changes if we did want to, if we did feel they were appropriate or necessary.

3389
05:05:56,040 --> 05:06:02,420
So, you know, I think I said last time when we brought this up at midnight, we're doing this too fast.

3390
05:06:02,580 --> 05:06:04,500
I don't really understand enough about it.

3391
05:06:04,520 --> 05:06:10,740
We haven't had public input, but, you know, it's not the case that just because the State adopted it, we have no choice but to adopt it.

3392
05:06:10,860 --> 05:06:12,160
It says you're very clearly.

3393
05:06:12,160 --> 05:06:22,120
We can make changes if they're appropriate, based on appropriate findings, but I've never been told what kinds of changes we might be able to make, and what findings we would have to make to make them.

3394
05:06:22,120 --> 05:06:25,780
So, Jolanda, can you explain?

3395
05:06:26,140 --> 05:06:26,360
Yes.

3396
05:06:27,180 --> 05:06:31,200
And thank you, Mayor Perten.

3397
05:06:32,100 --> 05:06:38,640
If you read the following ordinance, actually the ordinance does have the amendments.

3398
05:06:39,540 --> 05:06:48,660
In addition, page 21 of the court adoption findings, those are the amendments unto the court.

3399
05:06:48,660 --> 05:06:53,500
and states if the conditions were administrative,

3400
05:06:53,800 --> 05:06:58,520
climatic, geological, geological, administrative,

3401
05:06:58,920 --> 05:06:59,540
topographical.

3402
05:07:00,440 --> 05:07:03,280
So we did provide amendments

3403
05:07:03,280 --> 05:07:07,980
and this is regular amendments due to our location.

3404
05:07:09,040 --> 05:07:17,740
So this document was released for public for public viewing.

3405
05:07:17,740 --> 05:07:31,560
I remember the end of November, so it has been a transparent document for the past, I will say, close to 40 days.

3406
05:07:31,720 --> 05:07:34,560
I appreciate that, so in a sense that it's been published.

3407
05:07:35,220 --> 05:07:42,560
When we did the housing element, we would have somebody come here and present to us all the things we were doing, explain why we were doing them.

3408
05:07:42,560 --> 05:07:45,320
give us our options as to whether we would do other things.

3409
05:07:48,620 --> 05:07:51,780
We have different approaches to things up here.

3410
05:07:53,700 --> 05:07:59,520
Some council members are of view that if the staff thinks something makes sense and it's

3411
05:07:59,520 --> 05:08:03,220
complicated and technical, it gets presented and we just approve it.

3412
05:08:04,640 --> 05:08:10,540
Some, like I'm one of them believe we should be fly speccing everything and making our own decisions

3413
05:08:10,540 --> 05:08:15,800
whether we think they make sense or not, and then go forward, and others, I guess, have somewhere in between.

3414
05:08:16,520 --> 05:08:25,080
But the process we follow, I appreciate that these are here, and I know you and others have taken a lot of time to put it together.

3415
05:08:25,620 --> 05:08:28,020
But these aren't things we were presented with.

3416
05:08:28,400 --> 05:08:29,460
Why are we doing this one?

3417
05:08:29,700 --> 05:08:30,840
Does this one make sense?

3418
05:08:31,160 --> 05:08:33,980
Are there alternatives to what's being proposed that we could be doing?

3419
05:08:34,080 --> 05:08:36,720
Is there more than what we're being proposed we could be doing?

3420
05:08:37,260 --> 05:08:39,320
And it's because there's just too much to do.

3421
05:08:39,320 --> 05:08:48,840
I get that, but I feel like a lot of these things are presented to us as fake.com please, because we really don't have the

3422
05:08:50,400 --> 05:08:58,140
basis to make a decision to the contrary, so it's either take it or leave it. And that's not a criticism, so much as it's an explanation of where we are.

3423
05:09:00,040 --> 05:09:03,480
So that's pretty much why I abstained from this last time and

3424
05:09:04,720 --> 05:09:09,740
Just the process, the way the city operates in general, and I'm sure other cities operate like that.

3425
05:09:11,000 --> 05:09:17,080
It bothers me as someone who's used to getting into the weeds and deciding whether I think things make sense or not.

3426
05:09:19,670 --> 05:09:20,250
But yes?

3427
05:09:20,610 --> 05:09:24,970
I believe the amendments that are proposed are done to be consistent with the county.

3428
05:09:25,350 --> 05:09:31,210
And I think the amendments are only allowed if there's stricter than what's already required by the state building.

3429
05:09:31,210 --> 05:09:37,710
That is correct, the court cannot be, those are minimum state compliance.

3430
05:09:38,350 --> 05:09:42,030
The only way that the city can change it needs to be more restrictive.

3431
05:09:42,670 --> 05:09:47,670
In order to propose those amendments, we need to make a justification.

3432
05:09:48,350 --> 05:09:57,390
In addition to that, as you stated, Mayor Pro Tem, yes, if the city didn't adopt any codes,

3433
05:09:57,390 --> 05:10:03,690
then automatically the California court becomes our building court.

3434
05:10:04,010 --> 05:10:05,210
Okay, so-

3435
05:10:05,210 --> 05:10:06,670
Let me just finish.

3436
05:10:08,950 --> 05:10:16,210
We did bring in urgency ordinance, because we usually adopt the county, the county

3437
05:10:16,210 --> 05:10:16,690
codes.

3438
05:10:17,270 --> 05:10:25,730
This state of California requires that 30 days after the adoption, finally needs to be done

3439
05:10:25,730 --> 05:10:35,570
and through the California State Building Standard Commission, so the city can be in regulations and stay in compliance with the building groups.

3440
05:10:36,630 --> 05:10:44,610
Well in it, so the report at least doesn't say that the only kinds of amendments that are permissible are more restrictive amendments.

3441
05:10:45,190 --> 05:10:55,490
I can provide you a copy of the adoption of the, of an ordinance and what it states that it needs to be more restrained.

3442
05:10:55,850 --> 05:10:59,970
So there's under no circumstance can a-

3443
05:10:59,970 --> 05:11:01,030
You can flex the code.

3444
05:11:01,030 --> 05:11:06,470
The municipality believe that there's a requirement that's too stringent and relax it, no matter what findings they make.

3445
05:11:06,630 --> 05:11:11,050
Okay, that's what I was reading this to mean, so if that's not what it says, I take that back.

3446
05:11:11,050 --> 05:11:18,790
Yeah, and now I can provide a copy of a state documentation which will give you more information on that I apologize

3447
05:11:18,790 --> 05:11:27,990
That's okay, so all the changes we're making then are making more stringent the building code then would otherwise be imposed upon us by the state

3448
05:11:27,990 --> 05:11:34,710
That is correct. Okay, and but but they're also they have been proposed in the first instance by the county

3449
05:11:35,330 --> 05:11:39,090
They're not really our changes so much as we're just adopting them.

3450
05:11:39,190 --> 05:11:43,170
Some of them are county and some of them are specific to the city.

3451
05:11:43,510 --> 05:11:46,950
An example, septic systems.

3452
05:11:47,610 --> 05:11:49,590
We have a plumbing code that we follow.

3453
05:11:50,270 --> 05:11:59,410
There's a number of plumbing fixtures that I allow per your toilets and laboratories.

3454
05:11:59,410 --> 05:12:08,630
stories. And so we were able to change that to give credit to property owners of what

3455
05:12:08,630 --> 05:12:16,090
you see in low-flow toilets. So that was one of the changes that we showed our community

3456
05:12:16,090 --> 05:12:24,450
can take advantage of using low-flow toilets and have more fixtures. So that's just an

3457
05:12:24,450 --> 05:12:27,770
an example of what was included on the ordinance.

3458
05:12:28,390 --> 05:12:35,050
Okay, so let me ask this kind of harking back a little bit to the conversation we had earlier about the rebuilds.

3459
05:12:35,130 --> 05:12:39,810
But I understand the new code's not going to apply to rebuild, so this is not a specific issue with them.

3460
05:12:40,370 --> 05:12:45,710
But if we were operating in post-Wolsey,

3461
05:12:45,930 --> 05:12:50,190
where we didn't have a governor's order saying the old code is going to continue to apply,

3462
05:12:50,190 --> 05:12:56,990
Then when we adopt a new code, which we add additional more stringent requirements to,

3463
05:12:57,710 --> 05:13:02,530
wouldn't we then be making it more difficult for a rebuild that otherwise would have been the case?

3464
05:13:02,690 --> 05:13:04,750
Had we not adopted those additional standards?

3465
05:13:08,370 --> 05:13:10,090
Do you follow my question?

3466
05:13:11,230 --> 05:13:11,410
I'm sorry.

3467
05:13:11,410 --> 05:13:11,770
I'm sorry.

3468
05:13:13,550 --> 05:13:13,690
I'm sorry.

3469
05:13:15,900 --> 05:13:16,600
I'm sorry.

3470
05:13:16,600 --> 05:13:16,640
I'm sorry.

3471
05:13:17,260 --> 05:13:17,960
I'm sorry.

3472
05:13:23,240 --> 05:13:24,080
I'm sorry.

3473
05:13:24,080 --> 05:13:29,620
What I'm hearing is that he's wondering that if we're just defaulting on what our

3474
05:13:30,640 --> 05:13:38,740
requirements are to by law, we just automatically the new code gets imposed without the additional

3475
05:13:39,780 --> 05:13:42,380
adoption that the county goes through.

3476
05:13:45,020 --> 05:13:48,340
Is it more stringent for the people?

3477
05:13:48,720 --> 05:13:52,100
What I'm hearing is every full of these pages of single space

3478
05:13:52,100 --> 05:14:02,740
These requirements are things that we're adding as additional burdens and as everyone knows in the ordinary course of new builds, I'm perfectly fine with that.

3479
05:14:03,660 --> 05:14:13,400
And we have, fortunately in this particular instance, a governor's order that says, in a case of these rebuilds, we're not going to oppose these new requirements.

3480
05:14:13,400 --> 05:14:16,600
but actually we are imposing them on Woolsey, right?

3481
05:14:16,740 --> 05:14:20,440
Because we're saying that if you had lost your home in a different fire,

3482
05:14:20,680 --> 05:14:24,580
we're going to adopt these more stringent requirements than the state's imposing on you.

3483
05:14:24,980 --> 05:14:30,840
Well, if the application came in prior to the new adoption of the code,

3484
05:14:31,440 --> 05:14:36,900
we are not imposing new. They're staying within the, when the application was submitted.

3485
05:14:37,440 --> 05:14:39,160
Right. But if tomorrow,

3486
05:14:40,520 --> 05:14:47,240
6 months from now, one of the 40% of the homes that still hasn't applied to be rebuilt or whatever the percentage is,

3487
05:14:47,400 --> 05:14:49,760
they come in with a like for a like rebuild.

3488
05:14:50,440 --> 05:14:57,440
If we were not to adopt this, then they'd be operating under a less stringent code than the one that we're being asked to adopt, right?

3489
05:14:57,440 --> 05:14:57,500
Okay.

3490
05:14:58,800 --> 05:14:59,860
Let's talk in part policy.

3491
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:30,500
For Woolsey. Woolsey. Yeah, Woolsey did not follow the executive order. Right. So we will have to comply with the new codes. So would we have a way, for example, to say, we're imposing these additional more stringent requirements, but not with respect to a casualty rebuild so that when someone comes in with their Woolsey rebuild three months from now. So the building code is for safety and for resiliency, right? Yeah. So,

3492
05:15:30,500 --> 05:15:40,600
So we are following the executive order from the state of California and allowing the 2023 code for the policies.

3493
05:15:41,000 --> 05:15:46,380
There's nothing for woolseafire and it's been more than seven years, right?

3494
05:15:50,960 --> 05:15:54,080
So forget whether we should or shouldn't do it.

3495
05:15:54,100 --> 05:15:58,240
I'm just asking factually, isn't it accurate that if we adopt this,

3496
05:15:58,240 --> 05:16:04,260
Then that means that when someone comes in to rebuild a property that was destroyed

3497
05:16:04,260 --> 05:16:07,300
in a fire, other than the palisades fire.

3498
05:16:07,880 --> 05:16:13,800
And Franklin fire and brought fire, yes, will see fire will follow under any Topanga

3499
05:16:13,800 --> 05:16:19,640
fire that never, they never rebuild in 1993 and they decide to come back tomorrow to submit

3500
05:16:19,640 --> 05:16:20,280
an application.

3501
05:16:20,880 --> 05:16:24,340
Yeah, it would trigger the current code 2026.

3502
05:16:24,340 --> 05:16:41,780
And if there's a fire six months from now, and a hundred homes are lost, and they don't have an executive order to exempt them from anything, then the state code, if we didn't do anything, which would apply to them, would be less stringent than the code we're being asked to adopt tonight.

3503
05:16:43,060 --> 05:16:45,360
They will need to comply with the current code.

3504
05:16:45,820 --> 05:16:52,220
Right, but the state code that would be the default, if we don't do anything, would be less stringent than the one we're adopting.

3505
05:16:52,220 --> 05:16:54,420
I guess I'm trying to understand your question.

3506
05:16:54,620 --> 05:16:59,540
You're trying to say, let's flex the code for any rebuilds that happened.

3507
05:17:01,000 --> 05:17:04,300
I mean, I'm just trying to understand what we're going on this.

3508
05:17:04,920 --> 05:17:10,240
And I'm trying to give you the information that you ask, that you want me to give you.

3509
05:17:10,760 --> 05:17:17,340
I guess I'm saying, is it an accurate statement that if a fire were to wipe out a large number

3510
05:17:17,340 --> 05:17:21,460
of homes in future, three months from now?

3511
05:17:22,560 --> 05:17:26,180
And the owners of those homes were to seek to rebuild them like for

3512
05:17:26,180 --> 05:17:28,480
like, and they don't have the benefit of an executive order.

3513
05:17:28,920 --> 05:17:35,040
Then by adopting this tonight, we would be creating a code that is more stringent than

3514
05:17:35,040 --> 05:17:38,580
the state code that would otherwise apply by default to those rebuilds.

3515
05:17:38,740 --> 05:17:39,800
Is that accurate or inaccurate?

3516
05:17:40,100 --> 05:17:40,880
That's I'm trying to find out.

3517
05:17:41,220 --> 05:17:47,500
You will be, I mean, the code that you're adopting is more stringent than the 2023 code.

3518
05:17:47,500 --> 05:17:55,460
No, but it's also more stringent than the 2025 code because we're adopting various additional requirements to it.

3519
05:17:55,900 --> 05:17:57,820
The amendments and the pages of amendments.

3520
05:17:58,480 --> 05:18:07,080
But okay, notwithstanding the chaos that that would occur, you're really going to create an

3521
05:18:07,980 --> 05:18:14,020
environment of uncertainty because people aren't going to know which ones staff's going to have.

3522
05:18:14,020 --> 05:18:16,220
Okay, what date did this happen?

3523
05:18:16,220 --> 05:18:28,120
Which code do I get here and the consistency and the resale and, yeah, they're under the state code, but they're not actually under the adopted code of the city.

3524
05:18:29,300 --> 05:18:34,080
I mean, what's the purpose of going down this intellectual discussion?

3525
05:18:34,080 --> 05:18:37,200
And it's also a layer that you add into it, right?

3526
05:18:39,020 --> 05:18:45,220
Remember how we say that you cannot, the minimum codes cannot be lower than, right?

3527
05:18:46,080 --> 05:18:58,000
So let's say you, under what justification, climatic, topographic, or geographic, can we make

3528
05:18:58,000 --> 05:19:06,440
an assumption that any rebels, future rebels next year or the following year, do not need to

3529
05:19:06,440 --> 05:19:07,460
comply with this code.

3530
05:19:10,240 --> 05:19:13,800
And I guess I'm asking Trevor to answer this question because I don't know

3531
05:19:13,800 --> 05:19:15,440
how to answer that question. Well,

3532
05:19:18,120 --> 05:19:25,060
which question? A proposal of allowing fire rebels, future fire

3533
05:19:25,060 --> 05:19:31,180
rebels not to comply with this code and comply with. I would think you would want to be careful.

3534
05:19:31,180 --> 05:19:36,280
Let me look at these are like, not allowing wood shake roofs, I mean, do you really want to take that out?

3535
05:19:36,660 --> 05:19:39,440
I mean, is that something we want to allow fire rebuilt to do?

3536
05:19:40,060 --> 05:19:45,600
If you want to go and make adjustments to this, I think, suggest that we pass the code tonight.

3537
05:19:45,820 --> 05:19:49,680
So the county code provisions apply to everyone else in the city.

3538
05:19:49,780 --> 05:19:53,780
If you want to go look at adjusting some of this, you can look into it.

3539
05:19:53,980 --> 05:20:00,400
If you want to have more direction or something about particular provisions of what the county has adopted.

3540
05:20:00,400 --> 05:20:01,040
There's all the consistency.

3541
05:20:01,040 --> 05:20:08,060
Mayor Putham is commose concern on fire rebuilds, if there is not an executive order, what codes will trigger?

3542
05:20:08,380 --> 05:20:08,920
Yeah, let me ask.

3543
05:20:09,080 --> 05:20:10,260
So that is a question.

3544
05:20:10,540 --> 05:20:11,240
Let me ask this question.

3545
05:20:14,410 --> 05:20:18,170
Are we able, look, we have a state code.

3546
05:20:18,330 --> 05:20:24,170
The state code presumably has been combed over by intelligent and experienced people,

3547
05:20:24,330 --> 05:20:28,330
and they've decided from a statewide standpoint, this is the minimum standard that makes sense.

3548
05:20:28,330 --> 05:20:33,730
We have a county that's going further and adopted more stringent requirements.

3549
05:20:34,930 --> 05:20:44,370
Are we in a position where we could adopt all the county's amendments only with respect to non-casualty rebuilds going forward?

3550
05:20:44,810 --> 05:20:56,330
So that when there's another casualty, the more, the less restrictive standards of the state which we have the right to follow by themselves alone would apply.

3551
05:20:56,950 --> 05:21:02,350
But we are nonetheless imposing the more restrictive ones on new bills going forward.

3552
05:21:02,730 --> 05:21:14,930
So that way when someone loses their house, they come to us and complain about item number seven on this page that's imposing this greater expense to them that they wish they didn't have to absorb.

3553
05:21:16,010 --> 05:21:23,630
That they wouldn't have to make, they wouldn't be able to make that argument because we'd say no, look, all we did was go by the minimum state standard, you have to apply, but you have to comply with the state.

3554
05:21:23,630 --> 05:21:31,290
And we gave you a pass on everything that we adopted that otherwise applies to new builds.

3555
05:21:32,050 --> 05:21:38,450
Do we have the ability to make all of these additions, these exempt, these amendments, which are all more stringent,

3556
05:21:38,690 --> 05:21:41,290
applicable only in the case of a non-casualty rebuild?

3557
05:21:43,940 --> 05:21:47,660
And then what happens in a casualty rebuild that adopts?

3558
05:21:47,880 --> 05:21:50,520
They would be under the state minimum law.

3559
05:21:50,520 --> 05:21:51,740
But why would you want to do that?

3560
05:21:51,900 --> 05:21:54,360
You're creating a second-class structure.

3561
05:21:54,360 --> 05:22:01,400
Yeah, you might want to adopt the modern, you know, all the studies that we're doing with higher

3562
05:22:01,400 --> 05:22:07,900
combustations and why is the county better than the state because they're specialized to our

3563
05:22:07,900 --> 05:22:15,320
particular area. And so they're taking into account the special nature that occurs within Los Angeles County.

3564
05:22:15,720 --> 05:22:21,460
It's also AIDS I think by all the cities do it is so that contractors are familiar with the county

3565
05:22:21,460 --> 05:22:26,120
the county building codes, and then they can apply it the same throughout.

3566
05:22:28,720 --> 05:22:33,580
I would want to look closely if this is something you want to explore, making a carve out for

3567
05:22:36,000 --> 05:22:40,000
fire rebuild for other ones, we could take a look into it.

3568
05:22:40,080 --> 05:22:44,240
I want to just on the fly, put that through, and I know you want to ask concerns.

3569
05:22:44,240 --> 05:22:55,680
You cannot divide, I mean, the statement on chapter one is that this applies to every single new construction.

3570
05:22:56,220 --> 05:23:02,900
Even if it's a fire rebuilt, it will be considered under the building code as a minimum,

3571
05:23:03,560 --> 05:23:09,160
minimum for safety, for resiliency, for safety of our city.

3572
05:23:09,160 --> 05:23:16,800
You cannot divide, okay, I want to do one portion of the population.

3573
05:23:16,800 --> 05:23:21,340
I will do it on one court, and one portion of the other population I will do in another court.

3574
05:23:21,660 --> 05:23:24,900
We will be against the stay law.

3575
05:23:25,600 --> 05:23:29,720
No, no, first of all, we're doing exactly that right now, pursuant to the executive order.

3576
05:23:29,940 --> 05:23:31,520
We're applying the older law.

3577
05:23:31,720 --> 05:23:37,160
Because the governor has put that exception, not because the city of Malibu would decide it.

3578
05:23:37,160 --> 05:23:39,680
I get that, but you said it would be against state law.

3579
05:23:39,820 --> 05:23:45,660
I'm saying no, let's adopt the state law for everybody.

3580
05:23:45,940 --> 05:23:49,560
And then let's also adopt more stringent ones for new bills.

3581
05:23:49,920 --> 05:23:52,240
That doesn't say that if you have a fiery bill,

3582
05:23:52,260 --> 05:23:54,520
you're going to get a less stringent than the state law.

3583
05:23:55,820 --> 05:23:58,360
But you're going to get a less stringent than the county law.

3584
05:23:58,800 --> 05:23:59,680
So it's not fair.

3585
05:23:59,680 --> 05:24:00,480
So we have the right to do.

3586
05:24:01,280 --> 05:24:01,680
Okay.

3587
05:24:01,860 --> 05:24:04,640
I think people want modern building.

3588
05:24:04,900 --> 05:24:05,080
Okay.

3589
05:24:05,080 --> 05:24:12,000
And I would have perspective your, you know, and Bruce, let me give you another example.

3590
05:24:12,160 --> 05:24:15,900
I just picked up one page here, and it's page 15, the top item.

3591
05:24:16,480 --> 05:24:20,920
It says you've got to have sheer walls because we're in a high seismic sound.

3592
05:24:21,560 --> 05:24:24,420
I mean, to leave that out would be suicidal.

3593
05:24:24,860 --> 05:24:27,320
But it is out with respect to all the rebuilds from the pellets.

3594
05:24:27,600 --> 05:24:29,400
No, it's in the prior one.

3595
05:24:29,900 --> 05:24:32,980
A lot of this is continuation of what was in the prior years.

3596
05:24:33,840 --> 05:24:41,300
It's things like the solar panels that are required in 20, 26 or whatever, just new one.

3597
05:24:42,340 --> 05:24:46,240
You're talking about in the 23 zone, you don't have to do that.

3598
05:24:47,460 --> 05:24:55,940
All I'm saying is, understand that all these conditions that are in here, a lot of, in fact, I think most of, are continuations in the ones that were there before.

3599
05:24:56,900 --> 05:24:59,020
So it's okay, I understand.

3600
05:24:59,780 --> 05:25:02,880
Okay, so we'll call the question, we have a first and we say have a second.

3601
05:25:03,360 --> 05:25:05,660
Do we want to do a roll call, or-

3602
05:25:06,500 --> 05:25:08,320
I just put the motion with staff's recommendation.

3603
05:25:09,200 --> 05:25:09,440
Yes.

3604
05:25:10,100 --> 05:25:12,320
I didn't see the attorney, did you want to read the title of the ordinance?

3605
05:25:12,900 --> 05:25:15,460
Well, I read it the last one, so I don't need to read it.

3606
05:25:15,680 --> 05:25:16,200
Second time.

3607
05:25:16,660 --> 05:25:17,520
That's you really want me to.

3608
05:25:20,740 --> 05:25:21,700
You want a roll call?

3609
05:25:21,800 --> 05:25:21,880
Yeah.

3610
05:25:23,040 --> 05:25:23,620
All in favor?

3611
05:25:24,260 --> 05:25:24,280
Aye.

3612
05:25:24,900 --> 05:25:25,340
Those opposed?

3613
05:25:25,340 --> 05:25:39,940
First, none, that's same, you said aye, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you, so okay, it's after 1030, do I want to hear a motion to hear item 6A?

3614
05:25:40,460 --> 05:25:42,220
On my commotion, I hear items 6A.

3615
05:25:42,780 --> 05:25:43,140
That was second.

3616
05:25:43,700 --> 05:25:44,200
On favor?

3617
05:25:44,760 --> 05:25:45,080
Aye.

3618
05:25:46,940 --> 05:25:50,400
Okay, it's about our fire rebuilding ambassador.

3619
05:25:52,760 --> 05:25:53,740
We want to staff report?

3620
05:25:54,360 --> 05:25:54,920
No.

3621
05:25:56,100 --> 05:25:58,080
Okay. Do we have any public comment?

3622
05:25:59,240 --> 05:26:03,300
No, we don't have any speaker slips or raised hands on Zoom for item 6A.

3623
05:26:03,820 --> 05:26:06,220
Okay, so we're back up here on the council.

3624
05:26:06,900 --> 05:26:15,260
I asked months ago if we could put this on the agenda to discuss it and in light of the fact that we are now months later and things are operating.

3625
05:26:16,100 --> 05:26:18,480
The way they are now, I would just withdraw the request.

3626
05:26:22,140 --> 05:26:30,540
Okay, so where does that leave us that we're not going to go, we're going to continue without a fire reviled ambassador and this is going to conclude.

3627
05:26:31,040 --> 05:26:36,560
I think this is like the official termination that we lacked prior, right, this clues is that chapter.

3628
05:26:37,200 --> 05:26:42,220
So do we need to do a motion on this or is it a withdrawn request?

3629
05:26:42,840 --> 05:26:43,960
Just withdraw it.

3630
05:26:43,960 --> 05:26:50,400
Well, but does that satisfy the requirement of the original resolution?

3631
05:26:50,920 --> 05:26:51,440
Or expired.

3632
05:26:52,200 --> 05:26:58,660
Yeah, I think the investor had expired and the ambassador did resign as well.

3633
05:26:58,960 --> 05:27:03,700
I think this was bringing back a report that the council had wanted before that had taken

3634
05:27:03,700 --> 05:27:06,660
place and it would have been happened and so now the report's gone through.

3635
05:27:07,100 --> 05:27:10,460
If the council wants to re-implement it or put it in but if they want to take no action

3636
05:27:10,460 --> 05:27:12,280
I don't think anything is required here tonight.

3637
05:27:12,660 --> 05:27:13,800
Kelsey, correct me if I'm wrong.

3638
05:27:14,320 --> 05:27:23,000
That's correct, you don't have to take an action if you'd like, you can make a motion to determine that you will not move forward with the position, but the resolution did expire.

3639
05:27:23,380 --> 05:27:25,080
So there is no decision currently.

3640
05:27:25,300 --> 05:27:26,280
That's my motion, but you just said.

3641
05:27:26,900 --> 05:27:27,800
Is there a second?

3642
05:27:28,360 --> 05:27:28,760
I'll second.

3643
05:27:29,220 --> 05:27:29,760
All in favor?

3644
05:27:30,140 --> 05:27:30,280
Aye.

3645
05:27:32,600 --> 05:27:35,160
Okay, I'm over here to hear item six feet.

3646
05:27:36,220 --> 05:27:37,960
I'll make a motion to hear item six feet.

3647
05:27:38,260 --> 05:27:38,680
Second.

3648
05:27:38,680 --> 05:27:39,620
All in favor?

3649
05:27:39,960 --> 05:27:40,280
Aye.

3650
05:27:40,920 --> 05:27:41,360
Okay.

3651
05:27:41,740 --> 05:27:43,760
Can we have a staff report, please, on 6B?

3652
05:27:49,680 --> 05:27:50,260
Yes.

3653
05:27:50,980 --> 05:27:51,160
Yeah.

3654
05:27:55,070 --> 05:28:03,150
If I may, Madam Mayor, this presentation may generate considerable discussion.

3655
05:28:06,010 --> 05:28:10,770
There's already been significant discussion that's ensued this evening.

3656
05:28:11,750 --> 05:28:17,810
We don't have anything urgent requiring the Council to provide direction on this this evening.

3657
05:28:18,610 --> 05:28:25,470
If we were to continue it to the next available meeting, that would still be consistent with

3658
05:28:26,070 --> 05:28:32,250
what staff would need to fulfill the intent of the Council going forward.

3659
05:28:32,770 --> 05:28:35,030
I'll make a motion to agree with what he just said.

3660
05:28:35,610 --> 05:28:38,830
Well, just ever since we already started the hearing, do we have to hear the public comment?

3661
05:28:38,830 --> 05:28:45,110
We haven't subsequently done anything, so if you want to move to continue the item, you could do we have any public speakers on it?

3662
05:28:45,270 --> 05:28:45,490
Kessie?

3663
05:28:45,810 --> 05:28:48,890
Yes, we have one speaker slip, but no raised hands.

3664
05:28:49,170 --> 05:28:51,750
I would recommend that you let him speak.

3665
05:28:51,770 --> 05:28:59,490
Since he's waited a long time, you don't have to, if you can continue it, but let me sensibly hear the public speaker in that adjourn.

3666
05:29:00,070 --> 05:29:03,430
Mr. Schoenlin, do you

3667
05:29:05,830 --> 05:29:11,210
understand we're going to actually, we're going to have you hear your public comment, but we're going to bring this back in the future.

3668
05:29:11,210 --> 05:29:12,030
Thank you.

3669
05:29:12,230 --> 05:29:13,030
Restart it.

3670
05:29:14,050 --> 05:29:15,070
But we want to hear you.

3671
05:29:15,130 --> 05:29:15,590
Good evening.

3672
05:29:16,250 --> 05:29:17,350
Council Member.

3673
05:29:17,830 --> 05:29:18,490
Mayor.

3674
05:29:19,350 --> 05:29:22,130
I'm representing an American Polo Federation.

3675
05:29:23,030 --> 05:29:27,990
I want to bring to the City of Malibu a big sport elite that is polo.

3676
05:29:28,710 --> 05:29:36,030
I'm working with Pacific Palisette to see where we can feel and we can find a land to do

3677
05:29:36,030 --> 05:29:36,710
this sport.

3678
05:29:36,710 --> 05:29:45,730
And one other thing we need to bring is fun for the victims, victims for the fire.

3679
05:29:46,690 --> 05:29:57,590
And we want to open school for a keynote therapy for adults and kids with disabilities.

3680
05:29:57,590 --> 05:29:57,850
please.

3681
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:07,660
So the other thing that we I'm from Argentina, so I hope you understand. I want to bring

3682
05:30:07,660 --> 05:30:14,960
a tournament that was most important that was made in Montecito, Santa Barbara, Palm Beach,

3683
05:30:15,400 --> 05:30:21,860
Wellington. I think it will be very important for the City of Malibu to have a big tournament

3684
05:30:21,860 --> 05:30:30,920
here. And so I'm looking for a land to build a two-field of Polo.

3685
05:30:33,720 --> 05:30:34,920
If I can ask

3686
05:30:34,920 --> 05:30:44,500
quite how much land do you need? For two-field of Polo is about 200 by 150 meters. 200 meters by

3687
05:30:44,500 --> 05:30:45,640
I want 15 meters.

3688
05:30:46,060 --> 05:30:46,360
Can you?

3689
05:30:46,780 --> 05:30:47,980
Yes, it's very important.

3690
05:30:49,260 --> 05:30:51,660
You're talking about horses, horse polo?

3691
05:30:51,920 --> 05:30:54,360
Yes, we want to teach polo.

3692
05:30:54,500 --> 05:30:58,380
We want to bring college to practice.

3693
05:30:59,020 --> 05:31:02,380
So it's a lot of involvement of polo.

3694
05:31:02,840 --> 05:31:05,540
So if some visit is for math to me,

3695
05:31:05,580 --> 05:31:06,840
what does that drive like?

3696
05:31:07,700 --> 05:31:10,960
And sort of like 200 becomes like 600 feet.

3697
05:31:11,220 --> 05:31:11,420
OK.

3698
05:31:11,420 --> 05:31:16,420
And that doesn't include the stables in the viewing area and so forth.

3699
05:31:16,600 --> 05:31:21,040
Right, because it's so a whole field I think is like a football field.

3700
05:31:21,360 --> 05:31:21,920
Yes.

3701
05:31:22,420 --> 05:31:23,500
Pretty, pretty big.

3702
05:31:23,780 --> 05:31:24,580
And it has to be grass.

3703
05:31:25,900 --> 05:31:29,340
How many horses are you talking for two teams?

3704
05:31:31,020 --> 05:31:32,140
32 horses.

3705
05:31:32,980 --> 05:31:38,380
So the other thing is we want to build an arena.

3706
05:31:38,380 --> 05:31:46,000
So, to do a tournament in a Birmingham, they did a tournament, it was very good.

3707
05:31:47,460 --> 05:31:52,330
So, I would just say that it was unofficial.

3708
05:31:52,510 --> 05:31:52,810
Right.

3709
05:31:53,090 --> 05:31:53,550
It's benefited.

3710
05:31:53,770 --> 05:31:54,410
Nice as it would be.

3711
05:31:54,570 --> 05:31:56,190
I just don't think we have any land.

3712
05:31:56,790 --> 05:31:57,010
Yes.

3713
05:31:57,590 --> 05:32:03,130
I saw, coming from Canon Road, I saw a lot of land in that area.

3714
05:32:03,250 --> 05:32:05,070
So, our city does not go very far.

3715
05:32:05,330 --> 05:32:07,110
We only go about a mile.

3716
05:32:08,010 --> 05:32:08,990
We don't even go about a mile.

3717
05:32:09,070 --> 05:32:10,570
What about on the front here?

3718
05:32:11,130 --> 05:32:12,810
I think it would be too small.

3719
05:32:13,070 --> 05:32:13,230
Yeah.

3720
05:32:13,430 --> 05:32:16,050
No, I think that would be possible.

3721
05:32:16,530 --> 05:32:20,490
And you have a permanent polo field and polo school.

3722
05:32:20,490 --> 05:32:21,390
Yes, I would be.

3723
05:32:22,570 --> 05:32:25,850
I tell you, they can bring a sponsor here,

3724
05:32:26,250 --> 05:32:27,870
bring a lot of money to the city.

3725
05:32:28,430 --> 05:32:33,230
And also, no, I tell you, this polo is big money.

3726
05:32:33,810 --> 05:32:34,250
It's huge.

3727
05:32:34,310 --> 05:32:34,950
It's good money.

3728
05:32:35,230 --> 05:32:39,370
Yeah, so they still play in a long time in Wellington,

3729
05:32:39,370 --> 05:32:45,410
and beach, Boca Raton, and I think will be nice and malew.

3730
05:32:45,710 --> 05:32:47,110
You know, they are doing in Santa Barbara.

3731
05:32:47,630 --> 05:32:48,570
Can I give you my card?

3732
05:32:49,070 --> 05:32:51,250
Can I give you my card and I can help you?

3733
05:32:51,370 --> 05:32:52,270
We can talk about it.

3734
05:32:52,450 --> 05:32:52,650
Yeah.

3735
05:32:52,950 --> 05:32:53,230
Maybe.

3736
05:32:53,690 --> 05:32:58,130
I would say on the topic of the equine therapy,

3737
05:32:58,590 --> 05:33:01,890
I mean, we do have an equestrian center.

3738
05:33:02,170 --> 05:33:05,830
It's very small in comparison to what the numbers you're talking about.

3739
05:33:05,830 --> 05:33:11,990
But if you were just doing the equine therapy, there might be something.

3740
05:33:12,250 --> 05:33:22,550
So, I would encourage you to talk with our community services department because we are looking at different possibilities of these things.

3741
05:33:22,550 --> 05:33:24,370
Well, at least you start with one field.

3742
05:33:24,850 --> 05:33:26,010
And you need a flat field.

3743
05:33:26,370 --> 05:33:26,590
Yes.

3744
05:33:27,170 --> 05:33:29,770
We will be alive.

3745
05:33:29,770 --> 05:33:32,130
Yeah, we're not living at you.

3746
05:33:32,310 --> 05:33:34,190
It's just so limited here in Malibu,

3747
05:33:34,310 --> 05:33:36,690
like just the land, you know,

3748
05:33:36,750 --> 05:33:37,930
because then you're going to be parking,

3749
05:33:38,770 --> 05:33:40,050
because it brings...

3750
05:33:40,610 --> 05:33:42,190
You saw what is on the seato?

3751
05:33:42,830 --> 05:33:43,510
I've been doing it.

3752
05:33:43,650 --> 05:33:44,610
Yeah, it's beautiful.

3753
05:33:45,030 --> 05:33:47,390
Yeah, but it's not a large place,

3754
05:33:47,730 --> 05:33:48,870
so we can build here.

3755
05:33:49,610 --> 05:33:51,150
Malibu, I think, will be great.

3756
05:33:52,030 --> 05:33:53,930
So thank you very much for your comment.

3757
05:33:54,270 --> 05:33:56,030
We are going to have this discussion again.

3758
05:33:56,610 --> 05:33:58,950
I think Council Member Conrad will talk to you

3759
05:33:58,950 --> 05:34:06,030
You know, and like I said for any equine therapy please talk to about our equestrian to see if there's a smaller thing.

3760
05:34:07,110 --> 05:34:09,650
I think we're going to finish the meeting out tonight.

3761
05:34:10,050 --> 05:34:20,870
I am going to request that we adjourn the meeting in memory of Darlene Dubray, who died recently.

3762
05:34:21,330 --> 05:34:25,190
She was an active cert member from Malibu since 2015.

3763
05:34:25,190 --> 05:34:32,750
She played a key role during the Wolsey Fire and assisted with past distribution following the Palisades Fire.

3764
05:34:33,310 --> 05:34:37,450
Even though she was also displaced from her home due to smoke damage,

3765
05:34:38,630 --> 05:34:45,290
Darlene loved surfing, biking, and was well known at the senior center, participating in many of their activities.

3766
05:34:46,070 --> 05:34:51,490
Darlene had a sweet and caring nature and never had an unkind word to say about anyone.

3767
05:34:51,490 --> 05:34:56,390
One, Darlene will be missed by many people who knew and

3768
05:34:56,390 --> 05:35:01,890
loved her, and that was put together from Susan Dwayneus and public safety.

3769
05:35:02,190 --> 05:35:07,350
So just want to make that acknowledgement of adjournment, so with that we are adjourned.

3770
05:35:07,730 --> 05:35:08,130
Thank you.

3771
05:35:08,130 --> 05:35:08,290
Thank you.