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» Great.

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Okay, good afternoon. The June 8th, 2026

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regular meeting of the Malibu City

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Council is now called to order. In

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person participants, if you'd like to

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speak, please submit your request to

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speak form to the clerk. Remote

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participants, if you'd like to speak,

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please join the Zoom webinar meeting

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printed on the agenda and raise your

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hand in Zoom when the item you wish to

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speak on is called. May we please have a

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roll call?

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» Councilmember Conrad?

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Riggins?

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Stewart?

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» Here.

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» Mayor pro tem Pierson?

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» Here.

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» Mayor Silverstein?

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» Present.

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» You have a quorum.

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» Great. Do we have any speakers remote or

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in person?

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» We don't have any participants or raised

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hands on Zoom. I'm sorry, I'm looking at

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our one member of the public in the

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audience trying to confirm. Marissa, do

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you have a speaker slip for the closed

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session?

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» No.

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» Then no, we don't have any speakers for

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this item.

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» Okay, so we have no public speakers.

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That closes the opportunity to speak. We

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will now recess to close session to

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discuss the items listed on the close

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session agenda.

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soon thereafter as we are finished the

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close session to begin the regular

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session and hear the close session

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report.

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» Mhm.

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» Mhm.

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» Okay, good evening.

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The June 8th, 2026 regular meeting of

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the Melbourne City Council is now called

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back to order. In-person participants,

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if you'd like to speak, please submit

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your request to speak form to the clerk.

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speak, please join the Zoom webinar

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meeting printed on the agenda and raise

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your hand in Zoom when the item you wish

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to speak on is called. May we please

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have a roll call?

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» Councilmember Conrad.

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Riggins.

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» Here.

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» Councilmember Stewart.

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» Here.

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» Mayor Pro Tem Yuryin.

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» Here.

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» Mayor Silverstein.

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» Present.

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» You have a quorum.

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» Great. Doug, you want to lead us in the

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Pledge of Allegiance?

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» Please rise.

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Place your hand over your heart.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Thank you.

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Trevor, can we please get a closed

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session report?

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» Yes, at 5:00 p.m. the city council met

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in open session and recessed to closed

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session items listed on the posted

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agenda. All five council members were

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present and no reportable action was

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» Thank you.

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May we please have a report on the

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posting of the agenda?

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» The agenda for this meeting was properly

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posted on May 29th, 2026 with the

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amended agenda posted on June 9th, 2026.

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The amended agenda and staff reports for

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item number numbers 1A1, 1A2, 1B8, 1B9,

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and 8A were properly posted, but through

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an administrative error, the staff

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report for item number 1B10 was not

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posted. Staff recommends continuing item

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1B10 to the June 22nd meeting to allow

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the public time to review the full

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» Thank you, Kelsey. Can we have an

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approval of the agenda continuing

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including continuing item number 1B10 to

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» I'll move to approve the agenda with

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1B10 being moved to the next meeting.

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» I'll second.

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» Any objections? All in favor?

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favor, it's passed.

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We'll now consider the consent calendar.

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consent calendar?

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» No, we don't have any speaker slips. I'm

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looking at a last call to our desk. No,

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Zoom for the consent calendar.

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» Okay, so there's no public comment on

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the consent calendar. Does any member of

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city council wish to pull any item on

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I've got one or two. Hold on, let me

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find my notes.

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I'd like to pull 182.

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calendar exclusive of 182.

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consent calendar.

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» Okay, so the consent calendar is

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approved except for 182.

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Um 182, I don't need a staff report.

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the written policy that came back, the

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resolution and policy that came back

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after we had our meeting and gave

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direction for some changes. Um I still

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have a couple of things I'd like to um

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raise with the staff. Um

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first of all, policy number 28, it

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seemed to me that that should be left

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the way it was. I hadn't focused on I

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hadn't focused on the fact that it was

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being reapproved

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because there's an inconsistency between

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policy 28 and resolution 2627

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and they used to have

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the resolution had primacy because it

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was adopted after the policy, but if we

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adopt them both at the same time,

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they're inconsistent with one another.

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not adopt policy 27 28, maybe even just

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maybe even repeal it because it's taken

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care of in section um Roman Roman

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numeral 8.a

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in the resolution.

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I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. It's um

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sec I'm sorry, section VI.c.

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history of this is there was that

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policy, later on the city council

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adopted a resolution.

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fine-tune it, but the policy was

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basically repealed even though it never

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said it was being repealed. If we adopt

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them both today, we're we're adopting

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» Can you clarify where the um

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policy is? I didn't catch it.

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» Okay, policy 28 is the second document.

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deals with the same

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slightly different concept.

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what the rule is.

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the policy or or leave the policy

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unamended because it's it's been

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superseded already.

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Kelsey, do you want to say something?

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» Administratively, Mayor, at some point I

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would recommend either revising or

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repealing the policy only because it is

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confusing to have a policy on file with

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a different deadline than the city

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council resolution. So, ultimately, I

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think we should clarify that

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discrepancy.

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» So, my so my suggestion to council is

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that we either repeal policy 28 or put

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the words of section VI.C of resolution

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2627 into the policy as opposed to what

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is there now because they are not the

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same and they ought to be.

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» Okay, that's clear.

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» Is there any discussion on this?

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keep the the policy?

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» I don't believe so. I think repealing it

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would be a fine solution.

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» Okay, in that case, what I'm going to

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I'm going to I'm going to add a couple

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other changes, but what I'm going to I'm

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just going to move later to repeal

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policy 28. The other thing is resolution

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section VIII, so that's 8.A,

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I think we should add the words and

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there is an exigency requiring action

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more prompt than established by the

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timeline set forth here in to the end of

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the next to the last sentence of the

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two paragraphs.

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» Mayor, could we get the page number on

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that, as well?

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» I don't have the page number.

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Section VII.A.

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» Page eight, public hearings, VII.

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» Yeah. The second The original

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public hearings for land use

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appeal/applications.

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» The second paragraph, the penultimate

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sentence. The original proposal had

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been, if there was an exigency, we could

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change the um

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timeline. And then, as a result of our

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discussion, that was changed to, if it's

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a government proposal. But I think But

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we lost the and there's an exigency part

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of it. So,

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my suggestion is that we add to the end

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of that sentence, and there is an

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exigency requiring action more prompt

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than that established by the timeline

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set forth herein.

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» I don't remember that we added that. I

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thought we just went with if it was

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related to a

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» Well, why should the government get a

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earlier schedule just just like that? I

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mean, there's a This is a reason for

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accelerating it. Not only not just

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because of the government's asking for

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something, but and there's not enough

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time to follow the timeline. Otherwise,

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why should they be treated any

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differently?

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» I understand that. I'm not disputing

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what you're suggesting. I'm just saying

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we didn't add that to our discussion

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when we had the discussion at the time.

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» The original proposal from the staff

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was, if there's an exigency.

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As a result of our conversation, they

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changed it to, if the government's

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proposing it. To me, it was implicit

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that the exigency for the government was

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part of the was part of what we were

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talking about.

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So, I think we did discuss it, even

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though no one said anything.

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But I This is a proposal to

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» How do we handle

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this? I don't remember, but

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» Well, it doesn't matter what we thought

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then. The suggestion is we add these

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words. Either the council is agreeable

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to doing that or not. So, I mean, just

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as a

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um straw poll, is that Is anyone else

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interested in doing that or

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» I think I need to hear

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» Where are you adding the words? Just

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Give me a real clear, crisp product.

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Let me Let me get my copy. Hold on. I'm

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» Page

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VII

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public hearings, then item A.

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And then

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Yeah, let's go through it together.

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» Hold on.

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» So, it's this paragraph, but then he

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said second paragraph.

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» A second para- It says on page seven.

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» Page seven.

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» Here.

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Um the next-to-the-last sentence or the

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penultimate sentence, "Modifications to

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the deadline shall be" Now, it's the

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wrong thing. Where is it?

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Hold on.

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Oh, it's a It's It's the sentence before

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that. "These deadlines may be modified

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at the discretion of the city manager

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and city clerk only for projects where

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the applicant is a public entity."

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» Page seven?

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» Yes.

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» What paragraph?

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» Third from the end of the paragraph that

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begins the page.

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» UK seven up here.

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» UK seven up here.

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» Oh, up here. Got it. Up here.

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» It's a It's

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» Page nine in our report.

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» Oh, okay. I'm I was talking about the

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page of the resolution. It says, "These

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deadlines may be modified at the

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discretion of the city manager and city

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clerk only for projects where the

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applicant is a public entity." And I'm

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suggesting that we add, "and there is an

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exigency requiring action more prompt

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than that established by the timeline

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set forth herein." So, that it's not

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simply because a public agency is making

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the land use request, but the public

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agency is making it and there's a reason

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why it can't wait.

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» And what is an exigency?

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» It means that it's

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» In here, so you're adding the word

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exigency?

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» I'm adding the words, "and there is an

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exigency requiring action more prompt

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than that established by the timeline

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set forth herein."

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» It's after That's before modification.

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That's before modification.

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» Correct.

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» I don't have a problem with that.

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» I don't even know what it means, so I'm

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not going to I'll abstain. But, thank

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you.

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» It's an emergency. Some Some

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» Okay. Expediency. So, like it's

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expedient. Okay, great.

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» There needs to be a reason that that

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they can't comply with the regular

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timelines.

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» The last change is VIB.2.

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So that would be page

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Um

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page five of the resolution,

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page seven of the report. There's a typo

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2A near the bottom. It says the city

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council shall start the regular meetings

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promptly at 4:30 p.m. That should be

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5:30 p.m.

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And I also suggest that we say after

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that before that sentence and

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or as soon thereafter as practicable if

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the meeting should commence with a

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closed session.

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Cuz that it shouldn't be some mandate

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that we start at a certain time when

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we're still upstairs in a closed session

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um talking about a closed session

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matter. I usually say that when we had

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recessed, but it's not in our protocol.

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So

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my motion is that we

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we repeal

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policy 28,

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we amend the resolution in two places.

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The first is that place where I talked

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about and there is an exigency and the

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second is

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um well to fix the typo from 4:30 to

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5:30 and add the words or as soon

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thereafter as practicable if the meeting

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should commence with a closed session.

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Can I get a second for that?

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» I'll second.

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» And Mayor, before the vote if I could

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just clarify, we were review reviewing

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policy 28 during your discussion and

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comparing it to the resolution um and

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the only element in policy that is not

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recorded in the resolution as well is

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the guideline of

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for reports should not take more than 1

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hour of staff time to prepare background

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information. So is that something the

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council would like to add to the

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resolution to have one guiding document?

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» The resolution says that the that the

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council member shall prepare the report,

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right?

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» I'm trying to find it on here.

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Um individual members of the city

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council may place an item on the city

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council agenda for consideration by the

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council when less than 1 hour staff work

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is involved in preparing the item by

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providing agenda backup material to the

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staff.

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And then when more than 1 hour is

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necessary it has to go to the council.

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» But then it doesn't seem to be a

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question.

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» Yes, that's that's the concern I think.

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That's the section, Kelsey.

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» Correct, that's the section of the

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policy.

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» So

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instead of repealing the policy, it

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could just

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remove the implementation paragraph.

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Would that eliminate the conflict?

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» So here's what I would if if council

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wants to entertain that on the carryover

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part of the paragraph that is on page

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six of eight, which is page eight of the

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staff report,

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um it says individual city council

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members must submit a brief report to

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the council explaining their item and

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supporting materials for the items by

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this deadline. We could say if if the

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report will take more than 1 hour of

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staff time.

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» And that would be the proposed language

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to then allow the repeal 28 policy.

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» 28? Yes.

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» Steve, will you accept that as an

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amendment?

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» Yes.

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» Okay, is there any discussion on this

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beyond what we've already had?

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Is there any objection to these changes?

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All in favor?

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» Aye.

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» Aye.

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» Okay, unanimously passes. The consent

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calendar is addressed. Thank you very

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much for the accommodation on that.

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Ceremonial presentations. We'll now hear

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a presentation from by June Kang from

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Caltrans regarding um

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PCH improvements and shoreline

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protection.

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» Good evening everyone. Uh thank you for

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inviting me. Uh my name is June Kang.

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I'm the assistant division chief for

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Caltrans District 7 in program project

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management. I'm the basically a

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principal engineer who is in charge who

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is assigned to PCH and Topanga Canyon

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exclusively. So,

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I will be seeing you very often,

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hopefully,

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uh to give you more updates.

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Okay, uh I'm going to just talk about

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some of the projects that's been

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completed. Um

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Getty wall, catch from wall, and then I

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want to talk about little drainage pipe

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repairs that we're trying to do

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uh across PCH and through private

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property.

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Uh so, we're going to just have some

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discussion on uh rebuild efforts and

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uh Caltrans seawall repair, which is

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about 300 350 ft long seawall that we

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have.

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Um we are doing performing some

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non-emergency slope repairs on private

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property and we'll talk about pavement

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rehab project

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uh that is north of Asara Road to the

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Ventura County line.

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So, Getty Villa wall is done. So, we are

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just doing the safety review and

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uh we're going to be accepting the

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projects.

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It This was completed uh on schedule

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last month.

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This is a catch from wall also uh

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completed in in May.

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Um we're pretty proud of the how it

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looks.

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Uh it got all burnt out. Uh all the

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lagging right now it's all the cement.

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It looks like wood, but

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it worked it turned out really really

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well.

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Uh Uh we have about we identified about

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60 drainage pipe across PCH.

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Uh

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and about 32 of them are on private

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parcels.

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So,

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these pipes were constructed in 1930s

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and maybe earlier.

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And some of them has corrugated metal

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pipes that got pretty much rotted out.

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Some of them has uh

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uh

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reinforced concrete pipes. But, some of

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the pipes pipes that that is basically

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damaged, we actually have to open it up

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and replace them. So, there will be a

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open trench replacement on these.

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Um we actually asked for additional

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money. Uh we identified 39 locations

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that would require replacements.

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So, we are trying to uh this is a kind

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of one of the one of the pages of the

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map that we're putting together so to

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identify where the drainage easements

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are

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and overlapping with the Google Maps so

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that people can see

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where these pipes are.

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So, uh

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we are right now working on right-of-way

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maps to provide the property owners and

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contact them. So, um and identifying our

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drainage easement so that we can

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actually begin repair work.

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Um

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but,

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it is very tough to get a

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uh

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uh temporary construction easement.

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So, uh

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what we are trying to do at this point

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is to contact the property owners with

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this approximate map

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and giving them a pretty much one-page

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paperwork saying enter a permit to enter

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and construct. So, it basically requires

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their signature and this way we can move

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in and

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,360
build these drainages so that they can

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build their homes, uh especially the

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ones uh destroyed by fire and we'll

563
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:04,080
follow up with a correct documentation

564
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:07,880
so that uh we don't delay the

565
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,880
construction of these homes.

566
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:14,720
So, Rebuild Effort is going uh currently

567
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:18,000
uh Caltrans was contacted by contacted

568
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:20,880
by about 41 property owners

569
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,800
and their representatives. Uh some of

570
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,600
the improvements they're doing, of

571
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,960
course, they're building their home

572
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:31,560
within their property but driveways,

573
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:34,840
uh the construction staging, um

574
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,680
uh on a shoulder and live lanes and

575
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,920
we're discussing drainage drainage

576
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:42,680
easements and also we're trying to

577
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,680
accelerate this uh permit approval

578
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,800
process. So, we are putting together a

579
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:51,840
programmatic encroachment permit.

580
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:53,320
Basically, it's a simple blanket permit

581
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,240
for

582
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,280
uh

583
01:11:54,240 --> 01:12:00,800
most like simple stuff like staging and

584
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:04,440
lane closures. So, as long as they um

585
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:08,160
they can abide by uh specific provisions

586
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:11,320
we provide, these permits will be issued

587
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:14,720
not in weeks but in days. So, that's

588
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,800
what we are working on right now.

589
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:20,160
But, you have to understand

590
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,800
the the FEMA and all these uh

591
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,480
uh

592
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:26,960
the the regulatory agencies that came

593
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:29,720
came in for the rebuild efforts, they're

594
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:33,760
asking the homeowners to raise their

595
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:36,760
homes by a foot to 3 ft.

596
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:39,280
That is causing a lot of problems

597
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:41,960
uh especially ADA requirements on the

598
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,800
driveways and the sidewalks.

599
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,200
So, we are working closely with the

600
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,000
builders

601
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,960
um and if in some certain cases we will

602
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,560
have to work with them to provide them

603
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,960
with the some exceptions but it is

604
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,920
becoming a very challenging. So,

605
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,120
driveway permits should be pretty

606
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,920
simple.

607
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,920
Not anymore. Because all these changes.

608
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,240
So, those permits will take a much

609
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,160
longer than

610
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:10,000
than expected.

611
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:15,440
We are also shifting PCH toward the

612
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:19,040
hillside from 2770 PCH to 2101

613
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:21,280
PCH. So, that will provide

614
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,640
build a home owners

615
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:27,640
a little more shoulder room. So, current

616
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:32,440
shoulder width there is 12 to 15 ft.

617
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:35,040
After we shift the PCH by

618
01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:36,080
uh basically closing the middle turning

619
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,600
lane,

620
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:43,240
uh it'll be about 24 to 25 ft. So, they

621
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,680
don't have to encroach into live lane.

622
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:49,200
They can just close the shoulders and do

623
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,960
their construction in that area so that

624
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,320
uh

625
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:55,080
they don't have to incur cost. It'll be

626
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:59,680
easier for us. At least for those

627
01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:04,160
locations, um it's about 0.7 mi long

628
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:05,240
closure or the the the shifting limits.

629
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,000
But,

630
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,760
uh the pavement project in that area is

631
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,120
not going to come in

632
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:15,360
till next couple of years. So, they will

633
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:19,160
have at least 24 months or so for them

634
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:21,360
to stage and build their foundations.

635
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,840
After the foundations are built, they

636
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,960
can build they can stage their

637
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:28,360
construction on top of that. So, we are

638
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:32,000
communicating this with all the builders

639
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:35,080
and home owners. So, that shifting of

640
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:37,360
the PCH in that segment will be

641
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,760
starting this Thursday. So, we are

642
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,560
hoping to complete it by

643
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,520
uh coming Friday,

644
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:47,760
but it might carry into um

645
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:50,680
couple more days if if we face

646
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,440
challenges there. So, but the shifting

647
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,400
lanes will

648
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:56,840
happen this coming Thursday night.

649
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,080
» And you're you're removing the center

650
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,000
lane?

651
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,560
» Yes, so we're removing this turning lane

652
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,080
because there's no place to go.

653
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,360
» Okay.

654
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,040
» We're just shifting it toward the

655
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,040
hillside.

656
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:15,120
This is Caltrans seawall that is located

657
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:18,880
from 19232 PCH to 19302 PCH. It's about

658
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:21,880
350 ft long. It is very hefty seawall.

659
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:26,320
It's about 2 ft thick.

660
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:29,480
But because of fire and fire damage,

661
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:31,760
the the the surface of the

662
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:34,360
wall is kind of spalled out. So, all we

663
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,480
have to do is go in there, clean it out,

664
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,640
chip some bad concrete out, and then

665
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:40,960
just patch it up.

666
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:44,120
We were dealing with about 10 10

667
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,720
property owners to get temporary

668
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,717
construction easement.

669
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,720
We've been working with them about

670
01:15:47,717 --> 01:15:50,800
» [snorts]

671
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:54,080
» I believe about 6 months. A lot of them

672
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:57,720
did not respond. So, we only got two

673
01:15:54,080 --> 01:16:02,120
signatures. So, our legal

674
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:06,080
and and our right-of-way decided to

675
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,520
to go ahead and repair this wall without

676
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,200
the temporary construction easement from

677
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:13,320
the private property owners because the

678
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:16,800
wall is actually all within Caltrans

679
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:20,480
right-of-way. But we do need to access

680
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:22,480
it from the property in front. So,

681
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:24,840
because of this non-action from the

682
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:26,800
private property owners, we are going to

683
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,720
repair it, and we're going to follow up

684
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:32,880
again with a correct documentation for

685
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:35,600
the right-of-way. So, that

686
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:37,880
that that operation will begin within

687
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,120
few weeks. So, we'll repair that.

688
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,640
» And you can do the repairs without

689
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,000
having the permission of the property

690
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,080
owners. Is that what you're telling us?

691
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,600
» So, we will be entering their property,

692
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,680
yes, clearing in front of the wall.

693
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,240
» As long as long as you get it done,

694
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,840
okay.

695
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:53,680
» Yeah. So, we we we did did talk to

696
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:55,880
legal. We tried all avenues for about 6

697
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,240
months, but we were able we weren't able

698
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,920
to

699
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:02,400
uh establish a good contact

700
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:05,800
um and it was very difficult, but we

701
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,800
will still follow up.

702
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:13,560
Now, these these walls have its own

703
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:16,120
utility holes that's already there.

704
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,720
But but the problem is, as you know, uh

705
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,000
Southern California Edison did

706
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,400
underground.

707
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,080
So, eventually the electrical lines has

708
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,920
to come through

709
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:28,560
uh separate utility openings

710
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:31,720
through that wall. So, every property

711
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:35,640
will have will get about four separate

712
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:38,040
utility holes for future use.

713
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:40,080
For example, sewer. I know the sewer

714
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,160
line is not going to be there anytime

715
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,120
soon, but we will have we will create an

716
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,280
opening for them so that they can tap

717
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:49,600
into it in the future. So, we're

718
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:54,360
providing four openings per property,

719
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,360
four additional uh utility openings.

720
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,760
We have some drainage through there as

721
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:04,080
well. So,

722
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:05,880
uh Caltrans state drainage easement

723
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:09,360
basically says,

724
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:12,120
"Thou shall not build on top of it." So,

725
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:14,280
you cannot build on top of it if we go

726
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:16,800
strict by the rule. What but we're not

727
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:19,920
going to do that. We have to we have to

728
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,720
exist together, coexist. So, I am

729
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,840
working with the developers and home

730
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,800
builders so that if they can give us

731
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,520
enough room around it

732
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,160
for the future maintenance and

733
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,480
replacement, and that's what we're

734
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,840
working on. So, we are

735
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:37,080
uh working on a creative solutions

736
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:39,240
together. So, they do understand that we

737
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:41,760
are not going to say thou shall not

738
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:44,720
build on top. It doesn't make any sense.

739
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,720
It'll It'll cut the property in half

740
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:49,680
sometimes and you can't build anything

741
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:52,160
on top. So, but but we are working

742
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,160
together.

743
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,880
Uh there were

744
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,480
a few

745
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:02,520
locations

746
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:04,480
on PCH uh because of the fire damage um

747
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,360
uh when when there was a

748
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:10,040
firefighting efforts and cleanup efforts

749
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,840
the slopes that is basically abutting

750
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,320
the the PCH shoulder

751
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,640
some of the locations are kind of

752
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:19,160
eroded.

753
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:21,880
Not This is not a shoreline

754
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:24,960
uh issue. It's It's far away. That That

755
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:28,960
location right there is about 100 to 150

756
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:31,600
ft away from the wave action. So, but we

757
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:35,920
have a slope issues there that is

758
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:38,960
basically eroded enough that shoulder uh

759
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,640
pavement is kind of breaking. So, it's a

760
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,080
simple repair. We can do a slope slope

761
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:47,960
grading 2:1. We can put some backfill

762
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:50,440
material there. However, that material

763
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,760
goes on to private property owners. So,

764
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:55,520
we need the temporary construction

765
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:58,280
easement for that. So, our design right

766
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:02,240
now and Geotech is working to come up

767
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:07,280
with a very simple design to basically

768
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:08,800
feather the slope back to 2:1 slope. So,

769
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,240
uh we have a we identified three

770
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,880
locations.

771
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:15,240
One of them as you can see is a big hole

772
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:18,480
there. That's right by the shoulder.

773
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:20,680
So, toward the private property owner.

774
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:24,120
Photo on the right

775
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:26,360
actually the right by the hole the Army

776
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,120
Corps of Engineers put a lot of grading

777
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:31,840
material on the side. They used that as

778
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:35,880
a ramp to go in there and then clean uh

779
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:38,760
clean the debris out. So, that similar

780
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:42,360
repair could be done on these holes so

781
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:44,440
that it'll be all graded nicely.

782
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,360
But, again, this is all in private

783
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:48,040
property, so

784
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,920
we are working with the property owners

785
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:54,160
to get the temporary construction

786
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,160
easements to repair the slope.

787
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,120
This is another location.

788
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:04,320
The building foundation is right next to

789
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:06,800
our shoulder edge and is settled. So, in

790
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:09,840
this location we can go ahead and remove

791
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,680
that concrete and again slope it down.

792
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:14,360
And we will do some repairs on the

793
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,360
pavement.

794
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:19,440
Now, this was one of the locations that

795
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:22,080
we had received some complaints, but

796
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:24,640
this is all within private property and

797
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,440
we're watching it very carefully. So,

798
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,720
there is no way the that wave action

799
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:32,240
could get to this slope

800
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,320
and we don't think this is going to be a

801
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,520
a threat to PCH, so we're going to go

802
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:39,280
ahead and monitor.

803
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:41,720
And this one also also

804
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,640
It looks like private private property

805
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:46,880
owner or

806
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:49,680
previous developer has put a shotcrete

807
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:52,280
on along the slope. But

808
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,040
because of the fire and everything else,

809
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,440
it kind of got eroded. So, there's some

810
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,800
holes

811
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,160
there's of some voids behind the

812
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:03,160
shotcrete, but it is about 10 ft away

813
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,840
from our shoulder line. So, we don't

814
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,560
feel this is a threat to PCH, so we're

815
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:11,440
going to go ahead and monitor.

816
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,440
This is all within private property.

817
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,720
We have a

818
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:18,560
one pavement rehabilitation project

819
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:22,000
that's currently

820
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:23,480
advertised. It was advertised advertised

821
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,800
in May 11th.

822
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:29,400
Bid is opening Uh,

823
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:32,600
end of June, June 25th. We are hoping to

824
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:34,800
award it by end of July and begin

825
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,040
construction in August.

826
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,560
So, hopefully we'll complete this work

827
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,760
by December

828
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,960
of 2029.

829
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,760
That's all the

830
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,480
reports that I have.

831
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,480
If anybody has any questions, I can

832
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:49,720
answer them.

833
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:51,000
» Thank you for that. Are there questions?

834
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,840
Marianne?

835
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,080
Let's start and just work our way down

836
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,480
from there.

837
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,080
» Okay. Um,

838
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,400
if you could put the dates of the

839
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,000
pavement rehab

840
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,400
Well, I I think more of my question is

841
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,520
what section of the highway is that

842
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,440
pavement from where to where?

843
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,480
» Serra Road all the way to the county

844
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:08,600
line.

845
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:10,360
That is the northern cap end.

846
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,320
That includes the Pepperdine.

847
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:15,960
» Okay. So, the one that was proposed for

848
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:18,560
the east from McClure Tunnel to there is

849
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:20,960
paused or what's the status on that one?

850
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:23,240
» Currently is in design

851
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,440
and most likely going into construction

852
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,400
within a couple years.

853
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:28,680
» Okay.

854
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:31,120
Um, have you been able to contact all

855
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:34,600
the property owners of the photos that

856
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:36,120
you Do you need assistance with

857
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,760
uh, making contact with any of the

858
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,920
property owners, anything like that?

859
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:43,360
» Not at this time. Uh, those were

860
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,600
identified last September and we were

861
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,280
monitoring them, but it was brought up

862
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,760
to our attention saying, "Hey, this is

863
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,480
falling apart.

864
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,920
PCH is washing into the ocean." So, we

865
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:55,800
went in there and actually we went there

866
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,760
and actually did a complete review.

867
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:01,600
Actually, I walked every every step

868
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:05,240
there, every mile and we found those

869
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:06,960
locations could use some repair. So,

870
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:10,120
first thing that needs to happen is our

871
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:13,320
design, our geotech needs to propose a

872
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:17,800
solution first. Once that proposed

873
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:20,040
design is is done, then uh, we have to

874
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:22,320
initiate a right away process. So, our

875
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040
right away agent will

876
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,120
uh,

877
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,640
will contact those uh, property owners.

878
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,640
But if we do have a trouble, I know you

879
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,520
guys been helping us a lot. We will

880
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:34,480
we'll let Yolanda know and everybody

881
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:37,480
in the city so that you can help us out.

882
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:41,440
But I think those three property owners

883
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:44,760
were actually interested in seeing those

884
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:47,120
slopes being repaired because they they

885
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:49,320
did raise these concerns. So, I don't

886
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:52,720
think we're going to have any problem

887
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,760
contacting them and repairing

888
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,440
slope within their property.

889
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,840
» And then I'll I'll do this my final. I'm

890
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:59,280
sure everybody else is going to contact

891
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:03,200
other things.

892
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,680
So, is there ever a case where Caltrans

893
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,400
can

894
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:10,320
actually do the shoreline protection on

895
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:13,520
the private properties owners because it

896
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,800
is going to help protect PCH? It seems

897
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,800
like it's falling to a lot of our

898
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:19,640
property owners in order to do that. Is

899
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,440
there something that the state can do

900
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,080
to help those property owners if there's

901
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:24,520
a a permission that can be given by

902
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:28,120
those property owners?

903
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:30,760
» So, if it is an emergency that we know

904
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:33,200
the PCH is threatened, it's including

905
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:36,280
the shoulder, then we'll move in

906
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:39,480
as a as emergency project to stabilize

907
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:41,520
that section. But we don't see any

908
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:43,160
portion other than the three location

909
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,680
that we showed

910
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:49,320
is threatening PCH.

911
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:51,160
It it it's the photo it's looked really

912
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,840
bad. So,

913
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,040
I thought everything was falling apart,

914
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,320
but when I when I when I was when I when

915
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,760
I when I went out there, it was the

916
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:02,920
photos were very misleading.

917
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,480
So, we are looking at looking at PCH

918
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,000
very carefully.

919
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,440
One of the major shoreline protection

920
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,840
that we're doing right now is Redner

921
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:10,880
Beach.

922
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Uh

923
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,480
it's right by

924
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,200
the Getty Villa.

925
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:19,600
There's a whole section of the ocean

926
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:22,760
where

927
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,120
in 30s there were some homes.

928
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,600
County Beach is in Harbor actually

929
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:31,040
bought those homes and they

930
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:34,160
removed those homes to create a huge

931
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:37,480
beach front. So it's a beautiful beach.

932
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:40,160
It's and the the issue is that wave

933
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:43,040
action is hitting the hillside. So it is

934
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,840
washing out. So we are working with

935
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:47,080
permitting agencies, especially Army

936
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,240
Corps of Engineer to let them know,

937
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:52,200
"Hey, we want to fix this." Beaches and

938
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:54,120
Harbor actually asked us to fix it. So

939
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:57,280
we are trying to shore

940
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:59,800
shore that slope up. But Army Corps of

941
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,480
Engineer is very strict and Coastal

942
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:06,360
Commission is strict to the point where

943
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:08,760
they don't like rock slope protections.

944
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:11,760
It's a temporary fix, but it's most

945
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:14,440
effective method that we know. So we are

946
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,040
trying to convince them right now to

947
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:17,480
shore that up. And we've been trying to

948
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,800
do that for 3 years.

949
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:21,880
» Is that the area east of Mastros?

950
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,560
Um

951
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,280
from Topanga to kind of the Getty Villa

952
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,680
or

953
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:32,480
» It's it's from the Getty Villa up about

954
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,240
1,000 ft. So we are shoring about 850 ft

955
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,440
of that.

956
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,200
» Okay. Thank you. I'll let others ask him

957
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,280
that.

958
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,040
» Steve, you're next.

959
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,040
» Yeah, I got a couple.

960
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:47,080
You talked about this, you know, the the

961
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,760
drainage items. The Okay, are they on

962
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,960
private If they're on private property,

963
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,600
can you go there and fix those also?

964
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,960
» That's correct.

965
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:57,080
» You You don't need anybody's permission.

966
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,880
» We have a drainage easement, but we will

967
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,600
let them know and we are working with

968
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:04,400
the builders to come up with a creative

969
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,840
solution as I mentioned before. So we

970
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,600
got to have a certain amount of room

971
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,480
around the pipe

972
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,600
under their property.

973
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:12,400
» Here's the the

974
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,120
I mean at least the concerns I'm

975
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:17,360
hearing, I mean, I don't I don't know

976
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:19,280
where PCH is is in danger, okay? And

977
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,400
we've got this El Nino coming up here in

978
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,240
the fall. I don't know what the heck

979
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,560
that's going to do or not do. So, I

980
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,360
mean, some of your things that say it's

981
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,880
not close to the ocean now, but maybe

982
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,280
before this El Nino blows in, who the

983
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,200
hell knows? Are there any places you

984
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,280
think you've got to do work where you

985
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:36,680
need permissions from somebody to go do

986
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,680
it that you don't have right now?

987
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:42,320
» My plan at this point is concentrated on

988
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:44,640
the drainage improvements.

989
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:47,040
» I'm I'm talking about PCH in total. I

990
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,360
mean, any any repairs that you're do you

991
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,880
Look, this this is not a a Caltrans

992
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,480
problem. This is a Malibu

993
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,160
» Correct.

994
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:55,920
» Survival problem. PCH goes down, we're

995
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:56,360
screwed.

996
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,760
» Correct.

997
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,400
» Okay? And I would prefer not to have

998
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,920
that happen. So, if we need to do if you

999
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,040
need to do something and you need

1000
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,840
permission to do that, are you getting

1001
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,480
that permission or do you need to get

1002
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:10,200
that permission to do the appropriate

1003
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:11,560
work? And if not, what can we do to help

1004
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,960
I mean, Trevor, if there's something we

1005
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,960
can do from an emergency standpoint that

1006
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,960
says,

1007
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:21,440
"Go in and get it done." Right? I mean,

1008
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:24,080
I just think about that. I mean, look, I

1009
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:25,920
I don't want PCH to go belly up and

1010
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,240
we're sitting here doing nothing. And I

1011
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,600
I You're going to have a tough time

1012
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,040
reaching some of these property owners

1013
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,040
cuz they're not there anymore. And I

1014
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,720
don't know where the hell they are. Some

1015
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,080
of you know, some have gone, some

1016
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,080
they rented the places out to other

1017
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,800
peoples. I just want to make sure if

1018
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,720
you've got to do something before or if

1019
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,760
you if we or whoever have to do

1020
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:45,840
something to to make sure PCH is safe, I

1021
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,240
don't want anything slowing that down.

1022
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,320
So, if there's something slowing it

1023
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,760
down, let me know what that is and let's

1024
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,200
see what we can do to help you get that

1025
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,560
fixed. That to me Look, this is a huge

1026
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,200
priority for me,

1027
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,760
» Okay.

1028
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,960
» And for the whole city, I'm sure, not

1029
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,760
only me. All right.

1030
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,000
» Thank you so much.

1031
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,000
» Uh

1032
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:07,200
In terms of the place, you know,

1033
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,520
you've gone out walked PCH and I guess

1034
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,040
you have an idea of where the potential

1035
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,480
Is there some way you can give us some

1036
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,680
kind of a report that says, "Here are

1037
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:16,600
the locations where you think you need

1038
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,320
to do some work because PCH is in

1039
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,720
danger?" I just like to get that in

1040
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,520
front of the residents who live on

1041
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,960
there. Let them take a look at it and

1042
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,360
say, "Are they all included in there?

1043
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,920
Are there Are there places where we're

1044
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,760
missing?"

1045
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,560
Like I said, this is to me

1046
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:32,240
We're going to do this right. PCH goes

1047
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,280
down, we're in deep trouble. So, is

1048
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,760
there some way we can get some listing

1049
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,360
of of locations from you to say, "Here's

1050
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,480
where you think the the work has to be

1051
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,480
done?"

1052
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:45,360
» We have identified 60, again, the

1053
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:49,320
drainage pipe across the PCH. They are

1054
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:52,320
all working. We clean them out. So, and

1055
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,960
but they do require attention to rehab.

1056
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,040
That's why I said open trench and we

1057
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,200
need to replace those pipes.

1058
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,840
» The drainage ditches that I'm talking

1059
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,680
about, you know, the the highway being

1060
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,680
» Correct.

1061
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,360
» Getting undermined by the waves. Are

1062
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,320
there places where you can give us those

1063
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,160
locations? I just like to sit at the

1064
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,120
residents and sit back and say, "Yeah."

1065
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,920
I mean, they walk this thing every day,

1066
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,520
all right, whatever how many days

1067
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,160
you know, they can look at it and say,

1068
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,640
"Oh, we got everything included? If

1069
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,600
we're missing something, we can get that

1070
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,920
ahead of time versus trying to go back

1071
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,440
after the fact." So, if you can get us

1072
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,880
some kind of a report, a location, that

1073
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:24,120
would be very, very helpful.

1074
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,520
» Rightna Beach is the one.

1075
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,760
We need to fix that.

1076
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,160
» Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. That's that's

1077
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,560
exactly

1078
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,880
» That is the And we are I just had a

1079
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:35,040
meeting with Army Corps and Water Board

1080
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:37,640
on that, and they are holding pretty

1081
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:40,240
They're holding a very tough

1082
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,440
position. So, if you can help us out

1083
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,120
with talking to them, that would be

1084
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:44,240
great.

1085
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:46,760
» See what it is that you need help with?

1086
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:48,280
» It Army Corps engineer has a very

1087
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,080
specific

1088
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,840
uh guidelines.

1089
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:55,840
The temporary fix has to be within 500

1090
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,840
ft of encroaching into their their

1091
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:02,680
shoreline. And right now, our

1092
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:04,320
encroachment I can see is about 550 ft,

1093
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,520
and they're giving us a hard time.

1094
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,160
» I'm sorry to interrupt.

1095
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,360
» Army Corps is giving you a hard time.

1096
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,520
» Army Corps engineer.

1097
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,160
» Are you talking about the area near the

1098
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:10,680
Getty?

1099
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,240
» Yes.

1100
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,200
» That's not in the city of Malibu.

1101
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,520
» I understand. I understand.

1102
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,640
» So, I think what we're really talking

1103
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,800
about

1104
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:19,800
» PCH, right? It connects

1105
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,600
It connects, you know, Malibu, too. So,

1106
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:25,440
but as far as I understand, within the

1107
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:27,800
city of Malibu, there is no

1108
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:31,040
immediate threat at all.

1109
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:34,200
Because all the homes that was built and

1110
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:36,840
got even burnt out, they are the the

1111
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,120
roadway is far away enough that it's not

1112
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,120
going to

1113
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,200
» Weigh in. The El Nino comes rolling in,

1114
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,640
I don't know how far away it's going to

1115
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:45,360
be if that hits. So, look, let me close

1116
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:47,920
this thing out. Two things. One, if you

1117
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,400
need some If you I would like to get a

1118
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,000
listing of the areas on PCH where you

1119
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,160
think, you know, encroachment has to

1120
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,080
take place because of the damage to the

1121
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,400
road, so I can get it to the residents,

1122
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,360
they can take a look and say, "Yeah, I

1123
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,760
think we got everything covered." Second

1124
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,600
thing, if you

1125
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,640
If you need to get into some place, and

1126
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,240
in that way you get in, let us know. I'm

1127
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,400
not sure what we can do. Troubles got to

1128
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:11,800
do some work on But look, I do not want

1129
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:13,920
to have you sitting there, you know,

1130
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,280
watching the waves roll in while PCH is

1131
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,120
going away because you can't get to

1132
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,480
somebody and do that. This is This is

1133
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,520
important stuff for us. So,

1134
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,040
» Understood.

1135
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,720
» Mayor Pro Tem, we do have emergency

1136
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,120
declaration proclamations in place. So,

1137
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,360
if there's particular projects that need

1138
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,320
help with, if they want to, you know,

1139
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,080
reach out to city manager or myself,

1140
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,440
we're happy to

1141
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,640
» Help with that.

1142
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:31,280
» Okay, so just

1143
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,960
We are We need to help you and you need

1144
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,640
to help us. So, anything we can do,

1145
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,720
please yell.

1146
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,800
» Yes, we will do. Thank you.

1147
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,880
» Yeah, love to you. I'm sorry.

1148
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,960
» I love going after you cuz you said it.

1149
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:43,680
So, everything he said, and I mean, what

1150
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:46,040
I'm hearing from you, is that there's no

1151
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:49,120
emergency in Malibu.

1152
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:50,360
PCH is not undermined.

1153
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,040
» It is not.

1154
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,440
» It is not, my

1155
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,000
» It is not.

1156
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:56,000
I'm I'm I'm

1157
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,360
I'm assuring you that it's not.

1158
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,360
» Okay.

1159
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:00,480
» And if there's any chance that

1160
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,080
something's going to happen, all force

1161
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:04,320
will move in under a director's order

1162
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,920
emergency project. So.

1163
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,160
» Okay.

1164
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,200
» Yeah.

1165
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,200
» Well, Steve, you said it.

1166
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:11,760
» Doug.

1167
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,560
By the way, thank you very much for

1168
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:16,240
being here. This is This is really

1169
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:19,040
helpful. And what I'm going to ask you

1170
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:21,480
about is more to satisfy the questions

1171
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:23,240
that I think I know the answer to,

1172
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:24,400
but I know the public is going to hear

1173
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,400
your statements and they're going to

1174
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:28,320
want clarification. So, let me try and

1175
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,520
Let me try and ask the questions the

1176
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,880
public may want to know. The proverbial

1177
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,600
inquiring minds want to know. Uh if we

1178
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,800
can go back to your uh slide on the

1179
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:39,120
rehabilitation, you've got that at uh

1180
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,600
There it is.

1181
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,440
2029.

1182
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:45,800
Um and that's from Sarah Retreat Sarah

1183
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,600
Road all the way to uh Ventura County

1184
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,440
line, correct?

1185
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,080
» Correct.

1186
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:51,080
» Can you be a little bit more specific

1187
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,400
about what that means by rehabilitation?

1188
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,600
Are you going to be taking up the

1189
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,760
concrete? Are you going to be putting

1190
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:58,280
asphalt on top of it? Tell me Tell us in

1191
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,520
short order what what that's going to

1192
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,120
mean and what the impact's going to be

1193
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,320
to the public.

1194
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,320
» It's basically a cold plane and overlay.

1195
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:07,320
Uh we call it capital

1196
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:10,200
um cap M.

1197
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:13,240
It's That's a capital maintenance uh

1198
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:16,000
project. What it does is that we take

1199
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:19,760
out about 3 in of the pavement and also

1200
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:22,000
we do perform dig outs. Is if the if the

1201
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:24,360
base failed, then we'll completely dig

1202
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:27,160
that out and fix it. So, you will have a

1203
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:30,400
beautiful rubberized asphalt concrete.

1204
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:33,440
So, it'll be AC. Uh beautiful pavement

1205
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:35,800
after we're done. Uh we are including

1206
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:38,600
some sidewalks, as you know, some bike

1207
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:40,000
lanes. Uh there are many things that the

1208
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,840
safety improvements that we're doing

1209
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,200
right now. All right. On that project.

1210
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,960
So, uh

1211
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:48,200
you will you will see a beautiful

1212
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:52,280
pavement. Uh all the intersection

1213
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:54,840
crosswalk will be all redone. Uh it is

1214
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:56,720
going to be uh really beautiful.

1215
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,440
» Okay. Along that line, some of that

1216
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,320
roadway is concrete. It looks to be in

1217
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:02,400
pretty good shape. Uh, what are you

1218
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:04,360
going to do with the concrete?

1219
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:06,120
» There is concrete.

1220
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:09,000
Um, as far as I know, it's all asphalt

1221
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:11,480
concrete. If there's a section that is a

1222
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:14,080
concrete, you we usually

1223
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:16,360
do either slab replacement or not. But,

1224
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,120
if he says it's all AC, as far as I

1225
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,600
understand.

1226
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:22,200
» Okay. Um, then the other questions I've

1227
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:24,200
got on the replacement pipes, uh, I

1228
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,560
understand that there's no house there.

1229
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,920
It's burned and so forth. Are there any

1230
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,560
homes that are,

1231
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,360
uh,

1232
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,160
in the 39, I think you said 39

1233
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:35,920
replacement pipes. Any homes that are

1234
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,920
still there that you need to deal with?

1235
01:36:36,161 --> 01:36:38,440
» [sighs]

1236
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,160
» I think there

1237
01:36:38,440 --> 01:36:42,480
as far as I understood, those homes are

1238
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,800
pretty much gone.

1239
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:46,320
» Okay.

1240
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:48,240
» Um, if and though if the home is still

1241
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,120
there, then we will work with the

1242
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,240
property owners to extend the pipe. So,

1243
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:54,400
our goal is to extend the pipe beyond

1244
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:56,280
their property line, so it doesn't dump

1245
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,840
the water onto their property.

1246
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,560
» So, this is you're replacing those old

1247
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,920
corrugated with, uh,

1248
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,080
like 24-in concrete pipe, is that what

1249
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,920
you're saying?

1250
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:07,040
» Yes. It is going to be all all, uh,

1251
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,280
reinforced concrete pipes. No more

1252
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,360
corrugated metal pipes. They they just

1253
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,920
rot out.

1254
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,880
» And by the way, I really appreciate the

1255
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,440
the lane shift. I know we talked to

1256
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:17,240
several people that are concerned about

1257
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:19,320
how they're going to do rebuilding.

1258
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:21,360
Um, and along with that is the permits

1259
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,320
that you talked about for access. Is

1260
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,040
there going to be a charge for that?

1261
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,240
Those permits.

1262
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,280
» So,

1263
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:29,160
permit will be charged because of

1264
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,280
there's a processing fee. But, it'll be

1265
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,680
very minimal.

1266
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,200
» Any idea how minimal minimal is?

1267
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,112
» I'm sorry. I I'll have to get back to

1268
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,840
you on that one.

1269
01:37:35,112 --> 01:37:37,600
» [laughter]

1270
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,320
» That's right. I think if you just let if

1271
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,600
if somewhere we could post that, you

1272
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,640
know, a few hundred dollars is one

1273
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,760
thing. Thousands of dollars is something

1274
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:48,080
else. I mean, every everybody the city

1275
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:50,000
is waiving its fees for rebuilds life

1276
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,120
life, and we'd hope that you guys can,

1277
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:55,120
too, wherever you can.

1278
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:57,320
» Yes, the state has a very specific rule,

1279
01:37:55,120 --> 01:38:00,320
you know, gift of the public funds, so

1280
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,560
we have to stick with the minimum, so

1281
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,960
but we do understand.

1282
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:05,400
» All right. Uh

1283
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:07,280
I think that's all I have, and as I said

1284
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,280
earlier, thank you very much for being

1285
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,680
here. This has been extremely helpful.

1286
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,800
Uh Mr. Mayor?

1287
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,240
» Yeah, I'm going to reiterate that, Ms.

1288
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,760
Kang. Thank you for

1289
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,440
the presentation. It's very informative

1290
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,520
and very helpful.

1291
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:19,080
Um

1292
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,640
Trevor already mentioned that we do have

1293
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:24,360
emergency declaration. I would imagine

1294
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,160
that gives us some ability to help you

1295
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,360
all. It sounds like your legal depart-

1296
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,360
from what I'm hearing is your legal

1297
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,760
folks are confident that you've got the

1298
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:34,200
authority to do what's necessary, but to

1299
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:37,400
the extent that they think there's any

1300
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:40,080
way in which further help from us could

1301
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,640
facilitate that, I'd recommend having

1302
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,160
them confer with our legal counsel

1303
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,200
sooner than later so that the problem

1304
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:47,040
doesn't have to be solved

1305
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,560
at in real time. We can maybe solve it

1306
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,720
now.

1307
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,760
» That's great. Thank you so much.

1308
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,040
» Um the lane shift, if I understood

1309
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,640
correctly, maybe I missed it, you said

1310
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:57,560
that's going to occur for 24 months?

1311
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:59,560
» Approximately 24 months before the other

1312
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,800
project will begin construction.

1313
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:03,840
» So, I mean, my suspicion is people are

1314
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,280
going to be rebuilding on the beach for

1315
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,480
many years, not 24 months. Is there

1316
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:11,520
going to be um the flexibility to leave

1317
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:13,600
it that way after 24 months that people

1318
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:15,280
can continue to take advantage of the um

1319
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:18,200
widened shoulder?

1320
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:20,840
» I'm not going to say no, but uh the

1321
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,200
design work as far as how the lane

1322
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,840
should be

1323
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:27,440
uh are done as far as, you know, maybe

1324
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,400
bike lanes will be there. So, there will

1325
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:31,920
be a flexibility for the future

1326
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,760
builders. Uh we will work with them,

1327
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,440
definitely, but

1328
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,880
» Keep that in mind because it's going to

1329
01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:38,760
be a multi-year project.

1330
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:40,600
» Correct. It's going to be decades. I- if

1331
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,280
if, you know, it's going to be a long

1332
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,000
time.

1333
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:45,200
» And last one is, I mean,

1334
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,640
someone said the Getty Villa is outside

1335
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,840
of Malibu, but you know, consistent with

1336
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,280
Steve's point, if if the if PCH were to

1337
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,680
go down, that affects us. It really

1338
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,200
doesn't matter whether it goes down

1339
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,600
outside of Malibu or inside of Malibu.

1340
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,560
I'm usually one that's always saying,

1341
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,840
"Is that in Malibu or not?" But this

1342
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:00,160
doesn't really matter. We need to make

1343
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,960
sure PCH is

1344
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:01,920
stable.

1345
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,880
» That that is our goal.

1346
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:06,400
» But it's it's it's good to hear you

1347
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,920
basically

1348
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,680
um

1349
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,760
disclaim a lot of the rumors that that

1350
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,440
are going around that the road is ready

1351
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,000
to fall down. Sounds You're telling us

1352
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:16,560
it's not. There's a couple areas where

1353
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,520
there's some work needed to prevent

1354
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,400
future problems, but as of right now,

1355
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,400
there is no issue.

1356
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,640
» No. No, there's no issue.

1357
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,400
» Thank you. Does anybody else have any

1358
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:23,800
further questions?

1359
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,320
» I do.

1360
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,400
» Go ahead, Alan, and then Mary Anne.

1361
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,160
» Okay. [snorts]

1362
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Um how often do you come to the Planning

1363
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:32,640
Commission meetings to kind of give them

1364
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,920
an update on all of this? Because I

1365
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,920
think it would be really good for

1366
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:39,440
Caltrans to come to those and

1367
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:40,960
communicate this 55 the million 55

1368
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,640
million dollar safety study that you

1369
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:46,320
have going on. And there's a lot going

1370
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:47,680
on. Um even the Corral Canyon Trout

1371
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,880
Tunnel.

1372
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:52,560
Um updates would be good for our

1373
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:54,840
residents to know about.

1374
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,360
» Any you know, as many times as you want

1375
01:40:54,840 --> 01:41:00,440
me to be here. And my my position was

1376
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,920
created specifically for this reason.

1377
01:41:00,440 --> 01:41:02,600
» Wonderful.

1378
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,960
» So, um

1379
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:06,520
you know, Gloria said, "You're it." So,

1380
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,960
I will be communicating with you.

1381
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:07,680
» Terrific.

1382
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,560
» And I

1383
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,440
I'm not doing anything else but PCH

1384
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,560
until then.

1385
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:15,360
» Well, we can make you an honorary member

1386
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,200
of our planning our work public works

1387
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,240
commission meetings.

1388
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:21,120
And you can come and sit in on them with

1389
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,720
me.

1390
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,160
Thank you.

1391
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,840
» All right. Mary Anne.

1392
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:27,280
» I I was just going to follow up. Um you

1393
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:30,640
gave a a certain set of addresses for

1394
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:32,960
that lane shift. Um

1395
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:35,160
will that Is that just the isolated

1396
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:38,000
area, or are you considering other

1397
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:39,760
spaces that may be able

1398
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,120
» This that neighborhood. I've heard of

1399
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,080
from people, but

1400
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:45,280
» These This area is very unique because

1401
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:47,880
it has middle turn lanes. So, we have

1402
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:50,640
enough room to shift. Other locations we

1403
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:52,520
do not. So, again, if there is other

1404
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:55,560
possibilities, we are willing to look at

1405
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:57,080
that. So, it it is not a closed door,

1406
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,880
but

1407
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:03,240
we going to try to help out as much as

1408
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:05,800
we can, anywhere we can. That was the

1409
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:07,520
order that I got to work with uh

1410
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:09,800
rebuilders. So,

1411
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,920
So, we that's what we're doing.

1412
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,200
» Thank you. Appreciate that.

1413
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:15,720
» All right. Thank you once again. Um

1414
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:18,360
Joe, did you have any questions?

1415
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:19,920
» No, I just uh want to thank uh June for

1416
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,600
being here. He's uh been a great partner

1417
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:24,600
on all of our coordinating meetings on

1418
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:26,280
PCH and rebuilding. I do know that Rob

1419
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,640
has a comment he wants to make if that's

1420
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,160
okay.

1421
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,720
» Okay. Let's Let's have that, and then

1422
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,160
we'll move on to the next item.

1423
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:33,080
» So, thanks. Um

1424
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:35,920
So, I'll be working with June for

1425
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:38,120
probably several years now, two two to

1426
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,480
five years now. Um

1427
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:42,200
kind of one thing that I want to bring

1428
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:46,160
council and the public to to know is

1429
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:48,520
uh when June got appointed to PCH and

1430
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:50,120
and and our ambassador to really kind of

1431
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,680
strengthen our relationship and

1432
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:55,400
coordination, it's made a huge huge

1433
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:57,640
difference, and um

1434
01:42:55,400 --> 01:43:00,400
I you know, you guys are very good hands

1435
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:03,440
with June after I leave, and um

1436
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:05,840
I'm sure he'll be happy to come back and

1437
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:07,800
and, you know, give updates, go go to go

1438
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,920
to the meetings, and do stuff. He's been

1439
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,400
working really good with staff and

1440
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:12,040
giving us updates. He's He's very

1441
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:15,280
um

1442
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:17,040
proactive, and just just a really good

1443
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,600
partner. But, I I just wanted to share

1444
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,880
that with you.

1445
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,760
» Thank you, Rob. Okay, well, thank you

1446
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:26,520
very much. Once again.

1447
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:28,560
» Okay, that takes us to item

1448
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:31,000
three, and we have two commissioner

1449
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:33,120
reports. The first is Merrell May on

1450
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:35,000
behalf of the Public Safety Commission,

1451
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:37,880
and the next is Tiffany Murray on behalf

1452
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,880
of Public Works.

1453
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,920
» Hello, good evening Council.

1454
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,440
Um

1455
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,280
Mr. Ervin.

1456
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:53,880
Uh

1457
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,680
little report on the Safety Commission.

1458
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:58,040
The Safety Commission has gotten bigger

1459
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,880
under Susan Dwayne as recently,

1460
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:01,600
incorporating some of the departments to

1461
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,680
have a more cohesive umbrella. So, if

1462
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,760
anybody has any safety questions, the

1463
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:07,760
Sheriff's comes, fire liaisons, code

1464
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,760
enforcement. It's a pretty deep

1465
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:13,000
department right now. So, if you have

1466
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:16,320
any questions, call the city staff. Um

1467
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:18,600
regarding I'm appealing to everybody, if

1468
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:21,400
you see something that needs work, uh

1469
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:23,240
and I appreciate June being here. Um

1470
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,680
if you see anything on the highway,

1471
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:27,760
please call I hate to spring Travis up,

1472
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,480
but Travis is very effective with Public

1473
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:31,120
Works. And if it's not the city's

1474
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:33,600
responsibility, he'll would direct it to

1475
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:35,120
who is responsible. Cuz I made a request

1476
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,280
to Caltrans the other day, and they said

1477
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:39,240
it's going to be covered under this

1478
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:40,720
program. Well, holes, you know, if if

1479
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:43,200
they're going to start in August, and if

1480
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:45,280
we get get delayed, then those holes

1481
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:48,240
existing for cyclist hazards isn't going

1482
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:48,240
to be very good thing.

1483
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,880
I'm very concerned about drainage and

1484
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,920
what that means for the city, but I'm

1485
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:56,720
very concerned about fires and and the

1486
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:57,960
dry fuel and the and the low moisture

1487
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:00,120
content right now. And that was

1488
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,720
discussed a lot at the city at the count

1489
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:04,000
at the Safety Commission.

1490
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:06,600
The fire liaisons department here is

1491
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,960
really good. They will if you call them,

1492
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,520
they will come out and assess your

1493
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:12,720
property, suggest how to harden the

1494
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:15,160
homes, but also how to trim your brush

1495
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:17,880
to make it less susceptible to fire and

1496
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:21,480
loss. And if we don't lose homes, then

1497
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:25,480
we don't have to appeal Ms. Bundy to

1498
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:28,880
rebuild the homes. So, prevention here

1499
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:28,880
and a little proactive

1500
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,600
anti-firework

1501
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:35,320
can go a long way so that we don't have

1502
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,440
to go through these tragedies that we've

1503
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:38,880
gone through.

1504
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:41,360
Another thing that was talked about was

1505
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:44,920
the racing up Las Flores. So, if anybody

1506
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:47,320
has any ideas about how to deal with

1507
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:49,960
this out of control racing up Las

1508
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:52,080
Flores, we've made some suggestions.

1509
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:54,080
Um I'm sure Travis will get those at

1510
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,920
some point, but

1511
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:58,320
um

1512
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,240
it's it's a problem and we're aware of

1513
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,960
it.

1514
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:03,760
And the other thing the fire liaisons

1515
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:05,400
put on a little class the other day

1516
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,920
about how to use a fire extinguisher.

1517
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:09,040
So, people may want to carry a fire

1518
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:11,040
extinguisher in their cars. I'd never

1519
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:13,480
operated a fire extinguisher. I came

1520
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:15,720
They don't have that long of a life, but

1521
01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:17,600
you learn how to use it most effectively

1522
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:20,160
and where to spray it in the fire to try

1523
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:22,520
to put the fire out. So, it was a very

1524
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:24,680
good program. I thank the safety

1525
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,280
department for putting that on.

1526
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:27,640
I'm going to abbreviate my comments now

1527
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:30,240
because there's a lot of to go on here,

1528
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:32,920
but please call and help

1529
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:35,120
um get this mitigation. Also, by the

1530
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:37,080
way, we've made some headway.

1531
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:39,160
Some of the K-rails in Malibu Canyon are

1532
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:42,080
going to go in next week and then a few

1533
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:45,400
after that. So, unfortunately,

1534
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:47,200
we lost Hunter Langley, but and somebody

1535
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:50,440
years before that, but they're about to

1536
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:52,600
make some improvement on that and that

1537
01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:53,560
is great news.

1538
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,040
» Very quick question.

1539
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:56,040
» Go ahead, sir.

1540
01:46:56,360 --> 01:47:00,200
» The fire department used to go around

1541
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:02,000
through the city. I don't know how how

1542
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:04,520
much that they covered. If your property

1543
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,000
had not been cleared, they would give

1544
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,440
you a notice and if you did not clear

1545
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,080
it, they'd go back and do and charge.

1546
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:11,360
How aggressive is the fire department

1547
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:13,080
this year in doing that? That to me is

1548
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,720
is a You know, I mean, I hear you tell

1549
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:17,160
them, you know, people got to call up,

1550
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:18,640
but I think if the person hasn't done

1551
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:20,760
anything, the chances of them getting

1552
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:23,520
off their buns to do that and make a

1553
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:25,440
call is is probably bad none. I think we

1554
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,800
need to make sure that there is some

1555
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:29,120
enforcement going on that says, "If you

1556
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,000
haven't cleared your property and you

1557
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:32,520
haven't made a fire safe, you got

1558
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,400
yourself a problem and we want to get it

1559
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,680
fixed." So, I just Do you have any idea

1560
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:38,240
what the fire department is doing?

1561
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:40,240
» I do not. I I think you mentioning it

1562
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:43,160
now is is effective to put people on

1563
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:44,680
notice that they should get busy. Um and

1564
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:46,040
I do not know what enforcement

1565
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,600
» Fire department. See how aggressive

1566
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:49,080
they're going to be in doing that. And

1567
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,840
if anything you can encourage them to be

1568
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,320
more aggressive, please do.

1569
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,400
» Absolutely.

1570
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,520
What I will say we we need to people

1571
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,200
need to take action with the fire

1572
01:47:55,520 --> 01:48:01,040
liaisons. And if anybody else has any

1573
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:03,000
reason way to get these these palm trees

1574
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:05,240
which are across from HRL that are in a

1575
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:07,400
little valley there, get those removed.

1576
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:09,440
It's in sort of an environmental area.

1577
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:11,120
And the fire liaisons and everybody in

1578
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:13,440
the safety department know these are a

1579
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:15,760
hazard to the city, but still they're

1580
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:17,280
there. So,

1581
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,800
anyway. Thank you very much.

1582
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:18,480
» Marian.

1583
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,720
» Yes, sir.

1584
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:23,240
» I was just going to say I've seen

1585
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:24,640
um the county out with the bulldozers in

1586
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:27,600
Point Dume

1587
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:29,960
um on the vacant parcels. So, they are

1588
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,720
going out and they are doing some um

1589
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:33,000
disking and things like that on some of

1590
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,840
the vacant parcels that have high

1591
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,400
grasses and thing. But I don't know

1592
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:36,680
about any tree removal or anything like

1593
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,960
that.

1594
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,360
» A great job there at Heathercliff.

1595
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,840
Yeah. And also the county

1596
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,000
» The city did that. That's our property

1597
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,600
now.

1598
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,240
» Well, also the county has done some

1599
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,920
great work along Malibu along Malibu

1600
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,720
Canyon and Kanan cutting the brush back

1601
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:52,080
from the roads. And Caltrans has done a

1602
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:53,680
good job along PCH in many areas also to

1603
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,480
help prevent fire spread from the

1604
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,920
highways.

1605
01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:56,720
» Okay.

1606
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:59,200
» Thank you very much.

1607
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,200
Tiffany.

1608
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:10,760
» Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem,

1609
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,080
members of the City Council, and City

1610
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,880
Manager.

1611
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,400
I'm Tiffany Murray, Vice Chair of the

1612
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:17,720
Public Works Commission, and I'm pleased

1613
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:19,360
to present our most recent report.

1614
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:21,680
The commission received a comprehensive

1615
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:23,280
update on operations, infrastructure

1616
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:25,080
projects, recovery efforts, and

1617
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,600
long-range planning.

1618
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:28,360
The department continues to balance

1619
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:31,400
day-to-day maintenance with major

1620
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:32,880
capital investments and post-disaster

1621
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:35,760
recovery while beginning broader

1622
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:37,520
discussions on community resilience.

1623
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,680
I would like to highlight several key

1624
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:41,800
takeaways starting with operations and

1625
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,600
infrastructure maintenance.

1626
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:46,560
Public Works is executing core

1627
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:49,280
maintenance and safety programs citywide

1628
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,560
including annual weed abatement and

1629
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:53,680
roadway cleanup, removal of temporary

1630
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:55,560
storm event infrastructure, deployment

1631
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:57,880
of seasonal traffic and safety message

1632
01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:00,320
boards along the PCH,

1633
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:02,640
and ongoing ongoing repairs to drainage,

1634
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,680
roadway, and public facilities. These

1635
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,720
efforts support public safety and

1636
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:08,320
operational readiness during peak summer

1637
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,840
months.

1638
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:13,720
Turning to capital improvement program

1639
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:16,560
progress regarding progress regarding

1640
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:18,320
projects nearing completion, permanent

1641
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,240
State Park improvements are expected to

1642
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,040
be completed today

1643
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:24,320
with final landscaping continuing

1644
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:26,160
thereafter. Big Rock drainage repairs

1645
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:28,120
are entering final punch list and

1646
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:30,360
restoration phases.

1647
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:32,600
As for active construction, Las Virgenes

1648
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:35,840
Beach Road embankment rehabilitation is

1649
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:38,160
underway following post debris flows,

1650
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:40,360
post-fire debris flow, excuse me, and is

1651
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:42,440
expected to be completed this summer.

1652
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,520
Signal synchronization and speed camera

1653
01:50:42,440 --> 01:50:46,120
infrastructure remain on track for later

1654
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,760
this year.

1655
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:51,240
Advancing through design and permitting,

1656
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:53,280
the Malibu Seafood undercrossing and

1657
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,320
Busch Drive roundabout continue through

1658
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,760
cooperative planning with Caltrans and

1659
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:59,040
Metro.

1660
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:01,560
Bluffs Park snack shack improvements

1661
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:04,360
have entered final design.

1662
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:06,200
Assistant Director Holden reports that

1663
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:08,040
8,000 linear

1664
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:10,360
feet of cable will be installed in

1665
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:13,600
September and October as part of the

1666
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:15,400
regional broadband expansion. And PCH

1667
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:17,120
wastewater initiatives continue through

1668
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,600
assessment district and engineering

1669
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,440
phases.

1670
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,240
Beyond the progress

1671
01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:24,200
on individual projects, the commission

1672
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,760
also spent considerable time looking at

1673
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:28,400
the bigger picture, specifically

1674
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:31,040
Malibu's long-term resilience strategy.

1675
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:33,600
Chair King Keegan raised the importance

1676
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:36,520
of water security and long-term resource

1677
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:38,880
planning. Commissioners also discussed

1678
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:40,680
climate adaptation, coastal resilience,

1679
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,320
wildfire mitigation, and enhancement

1680
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,840
regional partnerships.

1681
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,720
The commission looks forward to working

1682
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:48,480
with staff and leadership to develop a

1683
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:50,480
cohesive resilience framework for

1684
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:52,320
Malibu's future.

1685
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:53,960
In summary, the Public Works Department

1686
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:56,000
is making measurable progress on

1687
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,920
critical infrastructure while beginning

1688
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,960
a broader conversation about long-term

1689
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:02,320
resilience, ensuring the city's

1690
01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:04,400
infrastructure, natural resources, and

1691
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:07,040
public services remain sustainable for

1692
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:09,160
future generations. Thank you.

1693
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,720
» Thank you, Tiffany.

1694
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:13,360
Okay.

1695
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:14,360
That takes us to

1696
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,400
the

1697
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,400
um

1698
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,440
city manager update.

1699
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,600
Good evening, Mayor and members of the

1700
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:26,200
City Council and members of the public.

1701
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:28,240
Um on May 28th and 29th, uh I

1702
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:31,200
facilitated a Kaizen

1703
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:32,160
uh process improvement effort with 30 of

1704
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:34,360
our

1705
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:36,360
um

1706
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:38,400
park uh planning and building staff as

1707
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:40,320
well as public works staff.

1708
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:42,080
Uh the effort here was to identify ways

1709
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:45,600
that we can streamline our rebuilding

1710
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:48,240
process and cut out wasted steps. Uh the

1711
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:50,800
theory behind the continuous improvement

1712
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:53,120
process that we were focused on was to

1713
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:55,920
make sure that we continue to make an

1714
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:59,520
effort to find any small or large

1715
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:02,920
improvement and work that system.

1716
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:05,320
Plan, check, do, act, basically. So, uh

1717
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,920
there was a secondary benefit of this

1718
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:09,120
that uh really

1719
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:11,800
allowed our two departments to come

1720
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:13,080
together after you know a year and a

1721
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:16,760
quarter

1722
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:19,720
just really grinding hard to provide

1723
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:22,400
capital improvement project upgrades and

1724
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:26,000
building permit issuance um

1725
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:30,320
the teamwork was seen we identified a

1726
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:31,840
few steps regarding residential rebuild

1727
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:34,320
development permits that we're going to

1728
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:36,560
cut out as well as some mandatory

1729
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,920
meetings at the beginning of the process

1730
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:40,120
Some of the things we've heard is that

1731
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,880
people have gone through their PV

1732
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:43,960
planning verification stage and then

1733
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:45,720
they get

1734
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:47,320
into the plan check and they didn't

1735
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,720
really realize what submittal

1736
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:50,640
requirements were

1737
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:52,160
100% required of them. That's a

1738
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:54,400
communication error that we need to

1739
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:57,240
improve with information and

1740
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,640
coordination with the applicant. So

1741
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:01,520
I was really proud of the team for that

1742
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:03,240
effort. Yolanda Bondi our director of

1743
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,360
community development

1744
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:06,920
department

1745
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:10,760
is at the rebuild center every morning

1746
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:12,640
now from 9:00 to noon and since June 1st

1747
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:14,400
we've issued eight new

1748
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:17,880
building permits. That brings the total

1749
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:20,520
up to 58 which is really remarkable. So

1750
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,960
This isn't an effort that stops. I

1751
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,840
talked to the team about having a

1752
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:26,640
check-in here in another month or two.

1753
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:28,960
So it's really required of us to stay

1754
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:30,200
sharp and make sure that we

1755
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,640
provide the best value for our

1756
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,480
applicants who need to get back into

1757
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:36,720
their properties.

1758
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:40,400
Graffiti abatement program we've issued

1759
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:43,680
a started the pilot program effort

1760
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:45,080
To date 29 property owners have provided

1761
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,120
consent

1762
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:48,200
and graffiti's been removed from seven

1763
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:50,560
of the properties. We're going to

1764
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:53,360
continue to prioritize this effort

1765
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:56,640
on the east end of Malibu.

1766
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:59,920
Emergency management and fire monitoring

1767
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:01,760
Most recently our emergency operations

1768
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:04,400
center and incident management team was

1769
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,840
able to practice what we've been uh

1770
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:08,040
you know, put into reality what we've

1771
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,960
been practicing uh with our partners

1772
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:11,040
here.

1773
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:13,080
Uh the Sandy Fire in Simi Valley and the

1774
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,680
Jasper Fire in Malibu Canyon were both

1775
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:16,080
uh

1776
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:18,480
successfully contained in a quick manner

1777
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:20,280
uh posing no threat to Malibu.

1778
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:22,120
But, it also allowed us to coordinate

1779
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,960
with our regional partners and our

1780
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:26,160
internal communications team on how we

1781
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:28,960
were going to communicate to all of you

1782
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:30,680
through our various media platforms. And

1783
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:33,200
so, if you have feedback for us, I'm

1784
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:35,400
always open for feedback.

1785
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,400
Um

1786
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:39,560
Fire conditions, as you know, are

1787
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,680
increasing. Vegetation dries out,

1788
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:43,480
temperatures are on rise, and staff

1789
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:45,600
continues to emphasize home hardening,

1790
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:47,080
defensible space, and emergency

1791
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,760
preparedness.

1792
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:50,760
Residents are encouraged to complete

1793
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:53,080
Wildfire Ready, Set, Go now

1794
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:55,640
ahead of the peak fire season.

1795
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:58,440
Our fire liaisons continue to offer free

1796
01:55:55,640 --> 01:56:01,800
home hardening assessments and Firewise

1797
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:04,360
support, and the Malibu Park uh has been

1798
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:06,160
recognized as the 15th Firewise USA

1799
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:08,000
community in the city limits, which is

1800
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:10,600
really remarkable for a city of our

1801
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:12,480
size.

1802
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,760
Uh reminder for

1803
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:17,560
anyone who has uh

1804
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:21,280
rebuilt property from the Woolsey Fire,

1805
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:23,880
uh the fee waiver program is ending on

1806
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:25,920
Tuesday, June 30th. Outreach efforts

1807
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:29,560
have has been underway, but I'm making

1808
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:31,960
sure everyone here uh hears that.

1809
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,760
Uh there was an update or some questions

1810
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:35,160
uh

1811
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:38,320
on Las Flores. I want to give uh all the

1812
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:39,880
community uh update on this. Bear with

1813
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:42,160
me.

1814
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:43,640
So,

1815
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:45,200
we've heard the feedback that's come up

1816
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:47,520
at the Public Works Commission, as well

1817
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:49,280
as Public Safety Commission.

1818
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,040
Uh staff is currently undertaking an

1819
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:53,760
assessment looking at the geometry of

1820
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:55,640
the roadway and identifying additional

1821
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:58,880
uh infrastructure measures that we can

1822
01:56:55,640 --> 01:57:02,080
look to curtail speeds and loud noise

1823
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:03,600
cars cruising up and down Las Flores.

1824
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:05,440
The outcome of this assessment is going

1825
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:07,080
to be reported back to the Public Safety

1826
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,200
Commission as well as the Public Works

1827
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:09,640
Commission.

1828
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:11,840
And then staff will return with some

1829
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:13,400
improvements recommended

1830
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:16,080
actions that the City Council may be

1831
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:19,320
required to engage in there. So it's at

1832
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:21,200
top of our list and we're tackling that.

1833
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,880
And then tomorrow morning if you're able

1834
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,120
join city

1835
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:27,400
at 9:00 a.m. or 10:00 a.m. I'm sorry

1836
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:29,680
10:00 a.m. Get that right.

1837
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:31,400
June 9th 10:00 a.m.

1838
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:33,560
Join the city of Malibu for the Nature

1839
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:36,560
Center renaming ceremony at Charmlee

1840
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:38,360
Wilderness Park and celebrating Walt and

1841
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,520
Lucille Kellers contributions to the

1842
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:42,200
Malibu community for over the past 50

1843
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:43,920
years. That's

1844
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,000
a special moment in our city's history

1845
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:48,720
so

1846
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:51,560
with that I have no other update mayor.

1847
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:54,360
» Does anybody have any questions?

1848
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:54,360
I'm going to call Sergeant.

1849
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:03,320
» Technically the way we have this set up

1850
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:03,320
this is part of your report.

1851
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:04,960
» Thank you.

1852
01:58:03,906 --> 01:58:07,120
» [laughter]

1853
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:10,040
» I appreciate that.

1854
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:11,320
» Continuing on the city manager's report.

1855
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:12,960
Um

1856
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:15,120
Good evening City Council.

1857
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:17,520
Uh I have the current statistics for the

1858
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:20,160
month of May for the city of Malibu. So

1859
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:21,280
there were 26 part one crimes reported

1860
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,920
uh

1861
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:26,120
in the month of May. A majority of them

1862
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:29,040
18 uh were theft

1863
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:32,080
Uh this brings the total for the year to

1864
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:34,200
130 which compares to

1865
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:37,600
uh 94 for the same time last year so

1866
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:41,160
that's a 38% increase. However, the

1867
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:43,640
5-year change is still down 35%.

1868
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:43,640
Um

1869
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:47,200
Couple of notable incidents that

1870
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:49,240
happened

1871
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:49,240
uh

1872
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:53,640
This one happened actually

1873
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,520
uh yesterday.

1874
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,400
uh

1875
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:58,920
5:40 p.m.

1876
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,920
Lululemon across Creek.

1877
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:04,000
A

1878
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:06,960
suspect stole

1879
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:09,640
over $4,000 worth of

1880
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:12,640
yoga pants from the from the store

1881
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,640
and

1882
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:19,480
Let's see.

1883
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:19,480
Apparently this this suspect also

1884
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:25,120
committed the same crime at the

1885
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:27,120
Lululemon Calabasas. So

1886
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:29,080
we actually have a wanted poster that's

1887
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,677
going to be coming out for him.

1888
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:32,400
Um

1889
01:59:31,677 --> 01:59:34,000
» [clears throat]

1890
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:38,000
» Another incident.

1891
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:40,800
This one occurred on the 20,000 block of

1892
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:44,120
Little Little Rock Way

1893
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:45,840
over in Big Rock community.

1894
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:49,080
A

1895
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:51,360
cement mixer was stolen off of

1896
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:53,360
one of the properties. So please

1897
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:54,880
It's a good reminder. Please lock up

1898
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:56,080
your valuables even the construction

1899
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:57,320
equipment

1900
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:00,440
so

1901
01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,440
that it's not taken.

1902
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:05,400
Let's see.

1903
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:14,720
Uh

1904
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:16,400
Parker, can you bring up the picture of

1905
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:17,800
the Pepperdine?

1906
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:20,160
Not the other one.

1907
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:22,040
So on

1908
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,920
May 26th

1909
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,520
a 4-year-old

1910
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,280
uh

1911
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:28,960
child went missing from the campus of

1912
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:31,320
Pepperdine on the uh faculty housing

1913
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:36,120
area. And that child was missing for

1914
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:38,960
approximately 2 hours before we

1915
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:41,120
got involved. Um

1916
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:43,040
We searched for about an hour

1917
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:45,040
and were able we were able to locate

1918
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:48,040
that child at the neighbor's house

1919
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:50,200
locked in a closet accidentally.

1920
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:51,440
That child was actually playing with

1921
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:54,240
some other kids in the neighborhood

1922
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:56,960
nearby and for whatever reason went to

1923
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:59,720
their the kids the neighbors house and

1924
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,240
got locked inadvertently inside the

1925
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:03,320
closet, but

1926
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:05,160
we deployed our search and rescue, we

1927
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,280
played drones, we had a helicopter you

1928
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:09,920
might have seen flying overhead, we had

1929
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,640
scent dogs on the way.

1930
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,360
Um,

1931
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:14,080
we had pretty much every unit at the

1932
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,800
station there looking for this child.

1933
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:17,400
Unfortunately, uh,

1934
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:20,320
there's no foul play involved and they

1935
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:21,960
were in good health and

1936
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:24,000
it was an unfortunate accident, but

1937
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:25,160
worked out well at the end.

1938
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,640
Um,

1939
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:29,560
» How did you find the child?

1940
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:31,360
» We went back and did another search of

1941
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:34,120
the area and

1942
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:36,440
made sure we crossed off every

1943
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:39,720
t and dotted every i and found the child

1944
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:39,720
in the closet, so.

1945
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:42,080
Um,

1946
02:01:41,368 --> 02:01:43,240
» [clears throat]

1947
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:46,800
» Parker, can you bring the other picture

1948
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:50,480
up? So, this past Saturday, um, the

1949
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:51,800
World Cup team from Qatar stopped in

1950
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:53,480
Malibu

1951
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:55,720
and

1952
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:58,560
they spent about an hour

1953
02:01:55,720 --> 02:02:01,160
walking around, seeing the all the shops

1954
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:02,400
and saying hello to everybody and

1955
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:05,120
uh,

1956
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:09,280
it was good. Created small frenzy, not a

1957
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:10,880
big frenzy, but um, it was good, so.

1958
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:12,720
Um,

1959
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:15,640
finally,

1960
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:17,240
uh, Malibu Search Team was nominated by

1961
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:19,320
the Public Safety Department for a

1962
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:21,880
national action award for the National

1963
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:24,720
Association for Search Teams for their

1964
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:26,640
role in the Palisades fire, so uh, our

1965
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:28,520
station wrote a letter of support for

1966
02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:29,800
them, so they are nominated. Hopefully,

1967
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:30,720
they win.

1968
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,160
So,

1969
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:35,360
uh, I have nothing further and I'm

1970
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:35,360
available for questions.

1971
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:41,000
» Does anybody have any questions?

1972
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:44,360
How do you feel the summit next year?

1973
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:46,880
» It's It's good question. I wish I knew.

1974
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:48,200
» So the small one or like just like you

1975
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,280
on the back of a truck?

1976
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:52,640
» Yeah, it could be attached to yeah,

1977
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,600
sure.

1978
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:55,120
» All right, thank you very much.

1979
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:56,440
» Mr. Mayor, with no more questions, I'd

1980
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:59,080
like to ask

1981
02:02:56,440 --> 02:03:00,240
Ranger Tim to come up with MRCA. And

1982
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:02,320
it's tough for me to compete with

1983
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:03,400
Sergeant Sutherland on his report, but

1984
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:06,280
thanks for being a part of the city

1985
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:06,280
manager update.

1986
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:12,880
» Welcome back.

1987
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:15,000
» Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and

1988
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:17,120
respectable city council members and

1989
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:19,360
city manager. It's good to be back. I'd

1990
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,760
like to give the coastal ranger report

1991
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:24,680
for last month. Um in the last month, a

1992
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:27,720
total of 267 parking citations were

1993
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:30,440
issued. A total of 25 administrative

1994
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:33,720
citations were issued. Five for dogs on

1995
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:35,880
the beach at Lechuza Beach, and

1996
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:38,960
10 for closed area at Escondido Canyon

1997
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:41,960
Park, and 11 for alcohol possession of

1998
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:43,560
alcohol at Lechuza Beach, and also two

1999
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:45,640
for smoking.

2000
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:48,000
And a one illegal filming site was

2001
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:49,840
issued at Corral Canyon Park.

2002
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:51,840
There were a total of three traffic

2003
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:54,920
citations issued involving two for

2004
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:57,840
exceeding speeds on PCH, and one for

2005
02:03:54,920 --> 02:04:00,760
passing on a double yellow.

2006
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:03,200
Currently, there is a construction work

2007
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:05,280
of a repair and redesigning the trail at

2008
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:07,200
Escondido Canyon Park.

2009
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:10,080
Uh continuous ranger

2010
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:12,880
safety patrols are uh continuing to

2011
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:15,160
persisting at Escondido Canyon Park, and

2012
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:18,560
fortunately no incidents have been

2013
02:04:15,160 --> 02:04:21,200
reported. A total of 1,120

2014
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:23,480
lb of trash have been collected at all

2015
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,560
of our coastal parks and beach access

2016
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,760
ways.

2017
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:29,280
And this concludes uh the MRCA ranger

2018
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:32,320
report for this last month.

2019
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:34,640
And uh any I'm open for any questions.

2020
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,680
» Does anybody have any questions?

2021
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:37,120
» I do.

2022
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:37,920
Hi, Ranger Tim.

2023
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:39,800
» How are

2024
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:40,680
» I'm well, thanks. It's

2025
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:42,280
nice to see you.

2026
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:44,480
» Likewise, thanks.

2027
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:45,920
» Um I think in a few meetings back we

2028
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:47,280
asked you a few questions. I was

2029
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:48,760
wondering if you had the answers to

2030
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:50,320
those questions.

2031
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:52,000
» Which ones?

2032
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:54,000
» They were

2033
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:56,520
um how many people come to visit since

2034
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,520
you were able to get the amount of trash

2035
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:57,880
weighed?

2036
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,160
» Mhm.

2037
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:00,840
» I thought we were thinking it was

2038
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:02,240
reasonable to know how many visitors

2039
02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:04,240
come.

2040
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:05,200
» Yeah, we actually ordered a

2041
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:05,720
a counter

2042
02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:07,600
» Okay.

2043
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:10,480
» Device so we'll be able to uh especially

2044
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:12,280
during the weekends get a approximate

2045
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:14,640
number of how many visitors do visit our

2046
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:16,400
parks. So that's in the process.

2047
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:17,120
» Great. So like the hikes and the parks

2048
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:17,520
and the beaches?

2049
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:17,880
» Mhm.

2050
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:19,000
» Okay.

2051
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:20,840
» Absolutely. Mhm. [clears throat]

2052
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:21,920
» Huh. And then you'll have like a report

2053
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:24,400
so you

2054
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,440
bring that information to council as

2055
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:28,120
well as how much pounds of litter has

2056
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:30,080
been picked up. You'll be like, "We had

2057
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:30,920
2,000 visitors this weekend." Is that

2058
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:31,360
right? Okay, great.

2059
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,960
» Yes.

2060
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:36,280
» Thank you. And then um I think didn't we

2061
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:38,280
ask where the something about citations

2062
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:39,520
and where that money goes the last

2063
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:40,320
meeting. I'm trying to remember what the

2064
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,440
questions were.

2065
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:43,560
» Yes, that was the question posed. We've

2066
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:46,120
met

2067
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:48,120
at the staff level to follow up on that

2068
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:50,560
and are still collecting the data and

2069
02:05:48,120 --> 02:05:52,520
plan to bring a report back to council.

2070
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,200
» Great, thanks.

2071
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:55,440
That's it for me.

2072
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:57,800
Um

2073
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:59,760
I guess I was wondering

2074
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:02,000
we also know when the trail maintenance

2075
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:04,200
is going to end. Do you know that? Like

2076
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,360
do you have an idea of when that'll be

2077
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,360
finished?

2078
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:09,720
» I I don't have an approximate date or

2079
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,880
time but we're in the process. It's

2080
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:12,400
moving pretty quickly.

2081
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,880
» Really well, I think. Yeah.

2082
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,960
» Good, nice to hear.

2083
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:19,040
» It's you guys have a great presence, you

2084
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:21,240
know, um the sign really helps right at

2085
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:21,760
that intersection that Ranger Chris put

2086
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:23,760
out.

2087
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,840
» Great, good to hear. Thank you.

2088
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,400
» You're welcome.

2089
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:28,400
» Yeah.

2090
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:30,720
» Um so I've been seeing on social media

2091
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:33,280
where there are visitors to the park

2092
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:37,720
that are there after sunset and they're

2093
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:42,480
becoming lost as to how to return. Um,

2094
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:44,000
is there signage that's either um

2095
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:46,360
lit up at night, has some type of

2096
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:48,160
reflective so that people know the way

2097
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:51,360
back to wherever

2098
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:52,960
they parked? Um Like I said, I'm just

2099
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,200
seeing social media posts where people

2100
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:57,360
are turning the wrong way, they're

2101
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:59,000
ending up um, on streets that don't lead

2102
02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:00,760
them back out of the neighborhoods and

2103
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:04,400
things like that. So, are there any

2104
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:06,760
plans to improve

2105
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:10,720
visitor wayfinding so that they can make

2106
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:14,040
it back after dark if they say past the

2107
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:17,920
the closing date? That's closing times.

2108
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:19,920
» Good question. We do now have a ranger

2109
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:22,600
or public officer that's there at

2110
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:25,840
closing to make sure that everybody does

2111
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:29,000
get back to their vehicles safely. And

2112
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:31,240
we do clear the parking lot now. So, we

2113
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:32,880
do help them navigate back if they don't

2114
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:34,680
if they get lost or anything, but no

2115
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:36,960
reports have been

2116
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:39,720
addressed to us that someone's lost on

2117
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:41,600
the trail. So, but we do have a

2118
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:44,280
representative there now to close the

2119
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:46,160
park and clear it. After hours.

2120
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:49,920
» Is that at the parking lot portion or is

2121
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:51,600
that at the end of the private roadway

2122
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:54,280
and the trailhead?

2123
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:56,480
» Both areas. So, we have a representative

2124
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:58,880
that you know, goes back and forth to

2125
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:00,600
the trailhead, patrols throughout the

2126
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:02,880
roadway and the parking lot, make sure

2127
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,120
there's no vehicles still there. Or and

2128
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:05,680
also on PCH.

2129
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:06,080
» I think my colleague over here has a

2130
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,240
follow-up.

2131
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:08,880
» I think I know what you're talking

2132
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:11,520
about. There's been a few people

2133
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:13,440
walking, wandering at dark

2134
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:15,160
um, at the back of the trail. I think

2135
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,600
she reported it to you. She also

2136
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:18,040
reported it to Lost Hills and the city

2137
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:20,240
of Malibu. There's been two or three

2138
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:22,960
instances of people taking videos of her

2139
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:25,400
property kind of

2140
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:27,600
lost at night, maybe.

2141
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:30,720
Um

2142
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:31,720
That's what I'm re- pretty sure she's

2143
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:34,080
referring to.

2144
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:36,800
» Oh, that one. Yeah, it it was weird.

2145
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:39,360
There was like three people that were by

2146
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:41,560
the gate and by the end of the road

2147
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:43,560
we're still investigating that like who,

2148
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:45,440
what, where, why.

2149
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:46,880
» Yeah, it's just a lot of people kind of

2150
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:49,360
not a lot I should say there were just

2151
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:50,960
there people wandering around back there

2152
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:53,480
that's concerning.

2153
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:56,160
» We did we did send a night patrol unit

2154
02:08:53,480 --> 02:08:58,640
cuz we have night patrol um at night

2155
02:08:56,160 --> 02:09:00,960
that stays out on call. They did go to

2156
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:03,320
the the area to investigate. They didn't

2157
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:05,000
see those three individuals. I know what

2158
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:06,560
you're talking about that that report

2159
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:08,360
about 3 weeks ago I think.

2160
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,560
» Yeah, there was two different instances.

2161
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:10,520
» Mhm.

2162
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:12,000
» Yeah, thank you.

2163
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:14,040
» That was what our reference was but

2164
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,160
yeah, the the wayfinding I think you

2165
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:14,800
know

2166
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:17,800
» Yes.

2167
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,520
» Having better signage so people know

2168
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:21,200
it gets disorienting in the dark when

2169
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,880
you're you know, not from around the

2170
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:24,040
area or anything.

2171
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:25,000
» All right, so it's 7:00 and like that's

2172
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:26,160
good.

2173
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:26,800
Thank you very much for your

2174
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:27,520
presentation.

2175
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:28,160
» You're welcome.

2176
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:30,560
» Thanks, guys.

2177
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:32,840
» Let's uh move on to uh public comment.

2178
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:34,160
So um this is the time now for

2179
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,760
communications from the public

2180
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:37,800
concerning matters which are not on the

2181
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:40,120
agenda but for which the city council

2182
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:41,680
has subject matter jurisdiction.

2183
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:44,200
Remote participants, please raise your

2184
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:47,000
hand in Zoom if you would like to speak

2185
02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:47,000
on this item.

2186
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:52,680
Kelsey, are we under the 3 minutes now

2187
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:53,480
under our new resolution or is there

2188
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:56,120
someone else?

2189
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:57,800
» Goes into effect July 1st. So we're

2190
02:09:56,120 --> 02:09:59,360
still under the rules notice on this

2191
02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:00,120
agenda. So each speaker will have 3

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minutes.

2193
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,600
» Okay.

2194
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:07,040
Oh, we're going to be here for a while.

2195
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:15,960
Is there a desire on the part of the

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02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:17,680
council to implement tonight

2197
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:20,560
discretionarily

2198
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:22,640
the um schedule that we have adopted for

2199
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:25,040
purposes of meetings in the future? I'm

2200
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:26,720
not advocating that we do that, but if

2201
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:28,120
there's a desire on the part of council

2202
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:30,720
that we do that,

2203
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:32,400
um we can take a vote on it and see.

2204
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,440
» How many uh

2205
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:35,200
blue slips do we have?

2206
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:37,160
» Didn't count them. Is Do you have a

2207
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:38,600
counter or do I have to go through them?

2208
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:39,840
» I'm tallying right now and looking at

2209
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:43,080
Zoom as well. One moment.

2210
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,080
» Okay, plus we need to know about Zoom.

2211
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:47,520
» We have a long agenda tonight.

2212
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:52,480
And I think I know what's a large number

2213
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:54,920
of those are probably going to talk

2214
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:54,920
about.

2215
02:10:56,360 --> 02:11:01,720
» With 16 in-person speakers and three on

2216
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:05,440
Zoom, we have 19 speakers. So, under the

2217
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:07,040
new model, time would reduce at 20.

2218
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:08,920
» We reduce it to what?

2219
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,920
» Time reduces at 20 speakers, so they

2220
02:11:08,920 --> 02:11:11,560
would still have three.

2221
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:12,400
» Even under the new rule, we would still

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02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:13,840
have a

2223
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:16,880
» 1 hour of public comment.

2224
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,680
» So, I unless somebody has a desire and

2225
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:21,360
to make a motion to shorten it, I'm

2226
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:22,480
inclined to say let's just vote

2227
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:25,040
Okay.

2228
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:27,920
First speaker will be Karen L. Harden,

2229
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:31,240
followed by John Johansen, and then

2230
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:31,240
Naomi Dibble.

2231
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:34,720
Or Deck.

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02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:37,400
Yeah.

2233
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:39,240
» Good evening, mayor, council members,

2234
02:11:37,400 --> 02:11:41,600
and city manager.

2235
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:44,080
I'm Karen L. Harden, executive director

2236
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:46,360
of Malibu Education Foundation, joined

2237
02:11:44,080 --> 02:11:48,360
tonight by our board chair, Amber

2238
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:51,000
Vanderbilt. We wanted to take the

2239
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:54,320
opportunity in public comment to share

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02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:56,200
that it's a big week for Malibu schools.

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02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:58,160
Promotions from elementary to middle

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02:11:56,200 --> 02:12:01,720
school, promotions from middle to high

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02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:04,840
school, and Thursday is the 2026 high

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02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:08,440
school graduation. And we have 105

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02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:12,200
students graduating, 93 are heading to

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02:12:08,440 --> 02:12:15,440
college, which is 89% of the class, 26

2247
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:17,640
points above the national average. And

2248
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:20,400
coming out of a difficult year, that

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02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:21,880
says everything about our students and

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02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,280
our community.

2251
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:26,360
Please check out the matriculation ad in

2252
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:28,120
this week's Malibu Times to see where

2253
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:30,480
everyone's headed. Here's a little

2254
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:33,440
preview for everyone. Um and I sent it

2255
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:36,160
around to the council this morning. Um

2256
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:38,600
we were uh just a little update on

2257
02:12:36,160 --> 02:12:39,960
Malibu Education Foundation as well for

2258
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:41,960
everyone.

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02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:45,600
Um we were established in January of

2260
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:50,080
'24. We launched that fall and in just

2261
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:52,400
over um 2 years, we funded 1 and 1/2

2262
02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:54,800
million dollars in programs across our

2263
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:57,000
schools, including the founding and

2264
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:59,040
funding of middle school athletics,

2265
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:03,920
making a positive impact on every

2266
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:06,400
student in every grade at every school.

2267
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:08,200
And this could not have happened without

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02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:11,160
the seed funding support of the city of

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02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:13,320
Malibu. So, we wanted to take a moment

2270
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:15,840
to thank you for your support in making

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02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:18,040
this all possible. Um despite a

2272
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:20,320
challenging launch year um for

2273
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:22,840
fundraising, we are focused on remaining

2274
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:25,360
on track to becoming self-sustaining and

2275
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:27,280
forward funding in the year ahead. Thank

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02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:29,200
you.

2277
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:31,560
» Thank you.

2278
02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:31,560
John.

2279
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:46,880
» Mayor, city council

2280
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:49,640
and uh

2281
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:51,400
everyone from Caltrans.

2282
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:55,520
Um

2283
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:58,560
I have here the manual for Caltrans.

2284
02:13:55,520 --> 02:14:00,800
And it's 1,100 pages.

2285
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:02,920
This is the

2286
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:04,400
seventh edition

2287
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:07,720
and uh

2288
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:09,800
it was done in July of 2020.

2289
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:11,440
There's probably a few more manuals

2290
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:12,440
since then.

2291
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:14,680
Um

2292
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:17,120
to read these manuals and to get to know

2293
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:19,440
them and to understand them

2294
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:21,560
could take months.

2295
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:24,720
But we have AI.

2296
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:26,000
And I have AI on the phone.

2297
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:27,480
And

2298
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:29,360
AI

2299
02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:31,320
a lot of people that are against it and

2300
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:34,960
a lot of people are for it.

2301
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:37,640
But it is what it is. And it is here.

2302
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:39,800
And it is here to help us.

2303
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:41,360
AI has learned everything about this

2304
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:43,800
manual.

2305
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:46,840
And if you have any questions

2306
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:49,200
you can ask. And it will tell you

2307
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:51,760
not only your answer but it will tell

2308
02:14:49,200 --> 02:14:54,400
you where it got it from.

2309
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:54,400
Go ahead.

2310
02:14:56,680 --> 02:15:01,120
Go Go ahead.

2311
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:03,560
Right there?

2312
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:03,560
Hello.

2313
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:13,400
» Hello, I'm Robert, an expert on the

2314
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:15,120
Caltrans Highway Design Manual, written

2315
02:15:13,400 --> 02:15:17,360
by the Division of Design for use on the

2316
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:19,000
California State Highway System. All of

2317
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:21,200
my answers will include the Caltrans

2318
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:23,240
chapter number, topic number, and index

2319
02:15:21,200 --> 02:15:25,240
number if applicable for cross-reference

2320
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:27,240
to the Caltrans Highway Design Manual.

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02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:28,840
My objective is simple, to make highly

2322
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:30,480
technical transportation policy

2323
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:32,840
information more accessible,

2324
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:34,600
transparent, and understandable for

2325
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:36,400
those working to improve safety along

2326
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:40,320
Pacific Coast Highway and throughout the

2327
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:42,840
city of Malibu. How may I help you?

2328
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:44,720
» Robert, this is Nathan and we're in a

2329
02:15:42,840 --> 02:15:47,400
public forum

2330
02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:51,040
at the Malibu City Council.

2331
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:53,800
For context, the 21-mile Malibu Malibu

2332
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:55,560
corridor of Pacific Coast Highway is

2333
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:57,040
widely recognized as one of the most

2334
02:15:55,560 --> 02:16:00,720
challenging and dangerous stretches of

2335
02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:00,720
highway in California.

2336
02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:03,280
Reckless

2337
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:05,880
» Thank you for sharing that.

2338
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:09,280
» Yeah, reckless speed speeding is a

2339
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:12,920
primary cause traffic fatalities in this

2340
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:15,320
area. Law enforcement and traffic safety

2341
02:16:12,920 --> 02:16:17,360
uh data indicate that speed is a leading

2342
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:19,960
catalyst for the highways historically

2343
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:22,920
high rate of fatal accidents, which has

2344
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:26,000
claimed 60 lives since 2010.

2345
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:30,520
Can you tell us how we might be able to

2346
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:34,760
reduce the fatalities, lower the speeds,

2347
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:37,800
and also speak about the high number of

2348
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:42,280
driveways and the extreme speed

2349
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:42,280
differentials and dangers they pose?

2350
02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:46,120
» In chapter two of the California MUTCD,

2351
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:47,559
which includes references to the

2352
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:49,200
California Vehicle Code,

2353
02:16:47,559 --> 02:16:51,920
» Tiffany, thank you.

2354
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:51,920
That's the time.

2355
02:16:55,760 --> 02:17:00,480
It would help if the person asked a

2356
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:00,480
question that's shorter.

2357
02:17:00,679 --> 02:17:03,480
Thank you.

2358
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:06,120
» If you ever need a

2359
02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:08,760
» Come, we're done. Next person.

2360
02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:08,760
Naomi.

2361
02:17:12,519 --> 02:17:16,880
After Naomi will be Carrie Clausen,

2362
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:18,639
Tiffany Murray, and then Joe Drummond.

2363
02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:22,200
And Joe, you have 6 minutes assuming

2364
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:24,599
that your other people are here.

2365
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:27,200
» Hi, City Council. And I just wanted to

2366
02:17:24,599 --> 02:17:28,120
say as a resident, um I'm really stunned

2367
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,000
that

2368
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:32,960
we have 12 appeals pending about the

2369
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:35,519
wireless and the 5G 5G.

2370
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:38,639
The decisions are not final. And yet

2371
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:40,200
four sites have already been built and

2372
02:17:38,639 --> 02:17:44,599
turned on.

2373
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:44,599
So, we're asking for due process.

2374
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:48,960
Uh we don't understand how this is even

2375
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:50,679
possible.

2376
02:17:48,960 --> 02:17:52,080
How does work get done before the

2377
02:17:50,679 --> 02:17:53,960
hearings?

2378
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:55,120
We're appealing.

2379
02:17:53,960 --> 02:17:57,719
And

2380
02:17:55,120 --> 02:18:00,280
just asking that you would

2381
02:17:57,719 --> 02:18:02,240
represent us in this way.

2382
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:06,280
Um

2383
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:08,080
why are the rules not being enforced?

2384
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:10,080
This is Malibu.

2385
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,840
We have a fire safety protocol for a

2386
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:15,400
reason.

2387
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:17,760
We have a process for a reason.

2388
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:20,880
And the telecom companies have just

2389
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:23,120
blown right past all of it.

2390
02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:24,880
As I said, there's four

2391
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:26,599
that have been activated

2392
02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:29,440
in residential

2393
02:18:26,599 --> 02:18:32,880
communities.

2394
02:18:29,440 --> 02:18:35,719
People are scared because of fire risks,

2395
02:18:32,880 --> 02:18:39,200
because the work looks rushed,

2396
02:18:35,719 --> 02:18:41,519
because due diligence was not done.

2397
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:43,960
They feel ignored.

2398
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:47,160
And instead of due process, we get

2399
02:18:43,960 --> 02:18:49,840
construction crews finishing the job and

2400
02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:53,800
flipping the switch before the the

2401
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:53,800
appeals even start.

2402
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:58,200
This is not how a city protects its

2403
02:18:56,320 --> 02:19:00,400
residents.

2404
02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:04,280
This is not how a city

2405
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:04,280
enforces its own laws.

2406
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:07,120
Please,

2407
02:19:05,719 --> 02:19:08,559
please,

2408
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:12,000
stop this

2409
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:14,840
and hold staff accountable.

2410
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:17,920
Make the companies follow the rules like

2411
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:17,920
everybody else.

2412
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:22,160
Thank you so much. We're just asking for

2413
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:24,240
your help as residents

2414
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:25,120
to see that due process is done. Thank

2415
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:27,320
you.

2416
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:28,880
» Quick quick question. Can you please

2417
02:19:27,320 --> 02:19:31,200
send those addresses, those four

2418
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:34,400
addresses to the city manager?

2419
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:34,400
» I'm sure we can. Thank you.

2420
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:37,599
» Carrie, your 3 minutes.

2421
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:39,240
» Thank you.

2422
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:42,040
Good evening, everyone.

2423
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:44,320
I'm Carrie Classby and um

2424
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:45,800
I'm just here as a member of Malibu for

2425
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:48,400
Safe Tech.

2426
02:19:45,800 --> 02:19:50,840
We all know the FCC has the biggest

2427
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:52,840
influence in these decisions.

2428
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:57,360
However, it's been successful throughout

2429
02:19:52,840 --> 02:20:00,480
California to protect residential areas.

2430
02:19:57,360 --> 02:20:03,160
The the uh science is not settled on

2431
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:05,000
brain development and the wireless

2432
02:20:03,160 --> 02:20:07,640
communication that's happening and we

2433
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:10,480
have layers on top of layers coming.

2434
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:13,240
So the the goal of Malibu um

2435
02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:16,760
for SafeTech is to protect residential

2436
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:19,640
areas from the continued um

2437
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:21,920
you know, after 5G we have 6G coming.

2438
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:25,000
Just think about that. So our power

2439
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:27,440
poles are being loaded with all kinds of

2440
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:30,240
electrical

2441
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:32,680
let's say danger, especially in the fire

2442
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:34,800
zones and in fires, so

2443
02:20:32,680 --> 02:20:37,280
I came to give my support for that.

2444
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:38,360
Thank you.

2445
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:41,160
» Thank you, Carrie.

2446
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:41,160
Tiffany, you're up.

2447
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:56,880
» Good evening, Mayor, council members and

2448
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:58,520
city staff.

2449
02:20:56,880 --> 02:21:00,360
For transparency, I've already spoken

2450
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:02,040
tonight as vice chair of the Public

2451
02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:03,560
Works Commission and these comments

2452
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:04,920
right now are my own as a private

2453
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:08,680
citizen

2454
02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:10,280
and nearly 27 Malibu 27-year Malibu

2455
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:12,522
resident.

2456
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:13,720
In February, residents were

2457
02:21:12,522 --> 02:21:16,280
[clears throat] given a two-day window

2458
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:19,720
to respond to 14 applications to upgrade

2459
02:21:16,280 --> 02:21:21,560
existing wireless sites from 4G to 5G.

2460
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:22,840
Many of us never received the notice at

2461
02:21:21,560 --> 02:21:25,080
all.

2462
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:27,800
Despite that, residents acted. They

2463
02:21:25,080 --> 02:21:30,440
educated themselves, filed appeals, paid

2464
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:33,400
fees, and engaged in good faith.

2465
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:35,360
And yet 14 appeals sat unresolved.

2466
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:37,600
Hearings were postponed without clear

2467
02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:40,120
communication. Residents and their

2468
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:43,760
attorneys could not get basic procedural

2469
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:46,440
updates. And last week, telecom

2470
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:49,200
crews activated at least four four of

2471
02:21:46,440 --> 02:21:52,440
the poles while these appeals while

2472
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:54,720
these appeals remain pending.

2473
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:57,520
Updated hearing dates were were provided

2474
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:59,120
only just last Friday, but it should not

2475
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:00,520
have taken this long. We were in the

2476
02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:03,080
dark.

2477
02:22:00,520 --> 02:22:04,440
Updated hearing dates were provided

2478
02:22:03,080 --> 02:22:06,080
Well, excuse me, this is not about

2479
02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:08,240
opposing connectivity. It's about

2480
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:09,920
timing, transparency, and the integrity

2481
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:12,640
of the process.

2482
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:16,680
Malibu's residential wireless ordinance

2483
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:18,920
was identified as incomplete in 2021.

2484
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:20,760
That gap is a direct reason these 14

2485
02:22:18,920 --> 02:22:23,440
applications were processed without

2486
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:25,720
clear residential standards.

2487
02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:28,120
While other cities have acted, Mill

2488
02:22:25,720 --> 02:22:29,960
Valley passed an emergency ordinance

2489
02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:31,440
effectively blocking small cell

2490
02:22:29,960 --> 02:22:32,720
installations in residential

2491
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:36,040
neighborhoods.

2492
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:38,560
Petaluma requires a 15-ft 1,500-ft

2493
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:42,480
spacing between facilities and prohibits

2494
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:45,400
installations within 500 ft of homes.

2495
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:48,320
Los Altos enacted a temporary moratorium

2496
02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:51,080
before adopting strict setback rules.

2497
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:54,320
Malibu has already adopted ordinances

2498
02:22:51,080 --> 02:22:56,440
limiting small cell sightings.

2499
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:58,480
Completing the residential component is

2500
02:22:56,440 --> 02:23:01,400
not a new direction. It is finishing the

2501
02:22:58,480 --> 02:23:03,600
work the city already began.

2502
02:23:01,400 --> 02:23:05,800
So, I'm requesting two specific actions

2503
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:08,320
from each of you. One, please enact a

2504
02:23:05,800 --> 02:23:10,480
temporary moratorium on new wireless

2505
02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:13,440
installations in residential areas while

2506
02:23:10,480 --> 02:23:14,760
the while the ordinance is completed.

2507
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:17,000
And two,

2508
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:20,480
place the residential wireless ordinance

2509
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:22,120
back on the agenda with great urgency.

2510
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:24,840
Because this is not just one

2511
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:26,960
installation of one single pole.

2512
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:29,280
It's the beginning of a network, and

2513
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:31,960
once this is in place, the opportunity

2514
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:34,640
to shape it is completely gone.

2515
02:23:31,960 --> 02:23:37,400
The The decisions made now will define

2516
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:39,680
the character, safety, and lived

2517
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:43,000
experience of Malibu for years to come.

2518
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:45,520
That responsibility cannot be deferred.

2519
02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:45,520
Thank you.

2520
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:49,200
» Thanks, Tiffany.

2521
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,600
All right, Joe, let's make sure that

2522
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:51,600
your

2523
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:58,000
people that have donated time are here.

2524
02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:58,920
Are Peter and Janet here?

2525
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:00,560
Okay.

2526
02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:02,360
And Patty?

2527
02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:04,280
Okay, you have 6 minutes.

2528
02:24:02,360 --> 02:24:07,200
» Honorable Mayor Silverstein, City

2529
02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:09,640
Council, I want to personally thank Joe

2530
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:11,960
Ervin, City Manager, for

2531
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:14,960
helping my neighbors,

2532
02:24:11,960 --> 02:24:16,920
Ikin Sherman, Ikin Gilliana Sherman get

2533
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:18,440
their permit today and for helping

2534
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:20,440
streamline everything for us fire

2535
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:23,760
victims. We appreciate you.

2536
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:26,040
Um, I also want to take this time to

2537
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:27,880
speak about when Malibu families are

2538
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:29,840
still recovering from a catastrophic

2539
02:24:27,880 --> 02:24:31,640
fire disaster, it is unconscionable that

2540
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:33,160
our community's own fire protection

2541
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:35,320
volunteers are being tied up in

2542
02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:37,720
litigation instead of being supported,

2543
02:24:35,320 --> 02:24:39,560
equipped, and allowed to protect Malibu.

2544
02:24:37,720 --> 02:24:41,240
I am asking the city to take immediate

2545
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:43,160
and public action regarding Brent

2546
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:45,360
Woodworth's conduct toward the Malibu

2547
02:24:43,160 --> 02:24:47,480
Community Brigade. This is not just an

2548
02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:49,400
internal nonprofit dispute. This is

2549
02:24:47,480 --> 02:24:51,440
about a community-built, donor-funded

2550
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:53,320
fire brigade being taken from Malibu and

2551
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:55,640
used against the very people who created

2552
02:24:53,320 --> 02:24:57,360
it. Malibu residents donated to the

2553
02:24:55,640 --> 02:24:59,520
Community Brigade because they believe

2554
02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:01,960
they were helping fund local trucks,

2555
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:04,480
equipment, training, and volunteers who

2556
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:06,400
would defend Malibu neighborhoods during

2557
02:25:04,480 --> 02:25:08,040
catastrophic fires. They believe they

2558
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:10,280
were supporting a Malibu-based fire

2559
02:25:08,040 --> 02:25:11,960
protection program rooted in this

2560
02:25:10,280 --> 02:25:13,480
community, accountable to this

2561
02:25:11,960 --> 02:25:16,480
community, and committed to this

2562
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:18,680
community. They did not donate so Brent

2563
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:19,960
Woodworth, who is listed by the Los

2564
02:25:18,680 --> 02:25:22,840
Angeles Emergency Preparedness

2565
02:25:19,960 --> 02:25:26,000
Foundation or LAEPF as its chairman and

2566
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:28,200
CEO, that he could take a Malibu-built

2567
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:30,600
brigade, fold it into his own outside

2568
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:32,320
nonprofit structure, control its trucks,

2569
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:34,080
funds, and equipment, and use that

2570
02:25:32,320 --> 02:25:36,520
platform for his own personal and

2571
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:38,800
organizational gain, including ambitions

2572
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:40,680
to expand it far beyond Malibu, while

2573
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:42,840
suing and ousting the very volunteers

2574
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:44,320
who built this program. According to

2575
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:46,080
Brigade members, they spent months

2576
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:47,680
asking for financial transparency,

2577
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:49,760
accountability, and governance by the

2578
02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:51,480
people who built, funded, trained for,

2579
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:54,600
and carried the Brigade through actual

2580
02:25:51,480 --> 02:25:57,360
fire responses. Instead, LAEPPF

2581
02:25:54,600 --> 02:25:59,400
responded with retaliation and lawsuits.

2582
02:25:57,360 --> 02:26:01,400
To date, Mr. Woodward has not withdrawn

2583
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:03,920
what many residents view as a ludicrous

2584
02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:05,520
$10 million lawsuit against Malibu

2585
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:08,000
community members who stepped up to

2586
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:10,240
protect the city during and during and

2587
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:11,800
after multiple catastrophic fires.

2588
02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:13,200
Instead of releasing the trucks, funds,

2589
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:15,280
and equipment back to the Malibu

2590
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:17,360
community Brigade, Mr. Woodward appears

2591
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:19,360
to be using donor supported

2592
02:26:17,360 --> 02:26:21,400
resources, community goodwill, and

2593
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:23,600
public safety assets as leverage in an

2594
02:26:21,400 --> 02:26:25,960
expensive federal lawsuit against Malibu

2595
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:28,440
families who have defended the city over

2596
02:26:25,960 --> 02:26:30,960
and over again. Most outrageously,

2597
02:26:28,440 --> 02:26:32,560
according to Brigade members, LAEPPF is

2598
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:34,280
suing original members who built the

2599
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:36,440
program, trained for it, raised the

2600
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:38,880
funds that sustained it, and even helped

2601
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:41,600
save Brent Woodward's home during the

2602
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:43,800
Palisades fire. To expect their courage

2603
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:45,520
in a crisis and then sue some of those

2604
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:46,840
same people is not leadership, it is

2605
02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:48,480
betrayal.

2606
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:50,240
Those are not abstract defendants. These

2607
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:51,800
are Malibu residents, volunteers,

2608
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:53,680
parents, neighbors, and community

2609
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:55,120
members who repeatedly put themselves in

2610
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:57,480
harm's way when our city needed them

2611
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:59,200
most. Donors gave money to protect

2612
02:26:57,480 --> 02:27:01,200
Malibu, not to finance litigation

2613
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,760
against Malibu residents. I know

2614
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:04,200
personally what the Malibu community

2615
02:27:02,760 --> 02:27:06,600
Brigade did for the city because they

2616
02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:09,200
helped save something irreplaceable from

2617
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:11,320
our home. Before the Palisades fire hit

2618
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:13,000
while we were in India, Brigade members

2619
02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:15,080
communicated with us through our Ring

2620
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:17,480
camera. Because of that communication,

2621
02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:19,040
we were able to open our garage remotely

2622
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:21,080
and allow our neighbor into the house to

2623
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:23,360
retrieve the most precious item that we

2624
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:24,800
own, a certificate signed twice by

2625
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:26,480
Abraham Lincoln for Colin's

2626
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:28,440
great-great-grandmother

2627
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:30,880
who was the first female Postmaster

2628
02:27:28,440 --> 02:27:32,600
General of the United States, one of.

2629
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:34,480
Our family may be Canadian, but we are

2630
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:36,640
also true Americans, and that piece of

2631
02:27:34,480 --> 02:27:38,120
history could never have been replaced.

2632
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:40,000
While helping make that possible, the

2633
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:42,040
brigade also moved flammable items from

2634
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:44,120
outside our home into the garage to

2635
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:46,320
reduce immediate fire threat around the

2636
02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:47,880
structure. That is what this group did.

2637
02:27:46,320 --> 02:27:49,720
They did not just talk about public

2638
02:27:47,880 --> 02:27:52,000
safety. They were the only ones who

2639
02:27:49,720 --> 02:27:53,760
showed up for us. They communicated,

2640
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,120
they improvised, they protected homes,

2641
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:58,440
protected history, evacuated residents,

2642
02:27:56,120 --> 02:28:00,280
and protected Malibu families. Not

2643
02:27:58,440 --> 02:28:02,080
Brentwood worth's personal nonprofit

2644
02:28:00,280 --> 02:28:03,720
apparatus, not a centralized structure

2645
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:05,120
controlled by people who do not live in

2646
02:28:03,720 --> 02:28:07,960
Malibu,

2647
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:10,040
or have the same daily fire risk. Not an

2648
02:28:07,960 --> 02:28:11,800
organization organization that sues its

2649
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:13,240
own volunteers, not a leadership model

2650
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:15,880
that treats Malibu's local fire

2651
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:17,960
protection capability as something to be

2652
02:28:15,880 --> 02:28:19,480
owned, withheld, or weaponized. The

2653
02:28:17,960 --> 02:28:21,520
Malibu Community Brigade is not

2654
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:23,480
Brentwood worth. It never was. The

2655
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:25,200
brigade is Kegan Gibbs, the Point Dume

2656
02:28:23,480 --> 02:28:27,040
bombers, and the brave group of trained

2657
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:30,360
volunteers who built the program from

2658
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:32,280
the ground up. 92 and counting out of 98

2659
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:34,200
brigade members are fully committed to

2660
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:36,520
keeping Malibu's fire protection assets

2661
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:37,920
in Malibu and protecting Malibu homes.

2662
02:28:36,520 --> 02:28:39,360
That should tell the council everything

2663
02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:41,120
it needs to know.

2664
02:28:39,360 --> 02:28:43,520
This senseless conflict needs to end

2665
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:45,160
now. To bind the hands of trained local

2666
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:47,840
volunteers, people willing to put their

2667
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:49,600
own lives for risk at risk for Malibu

2668
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:51,200
with lawsuits and legal red tape while a

2669
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:53,440
wildfire scarred community is still

2670
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:55,400
struggling to rebuild is not only tone

2671
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:57,760
deaf, it is heartless. The city should

2672
02:28:55,400 --> 02:28:59,080
take immediate action. First, Brentwood

2673
02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:00,840
worth should be removed from the Public

2674
02:28:59,080 --> 02:29:02,360
Safety Commission. Someone pursuing

2675
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:04,000
litigation against Malibu community

2676
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:05,840
members while withholding or controlling

2677
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:07,720
resources intended for Malibu's public

2678
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:10,040
safety should not be sitting in a public

2679
02:29:07,720 --> 02:29:11,440
safety advisory role for this city.

2680
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:14,240
Second, the city should send Mr.

2681
02:29:11,440 --> 02:29:15,960
Woodward and LAEPF a formal letter

2682
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:17,720
putting them on notice, withdraw the

2683
02:29:15,960 --> 02:29:19,680
lawsuit, release the funds, trucks, and

2684
02:29:17,720 --> 02:29:21,640
equipment intended for Malibu Community

2685
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:23,200
Brigade, or provide a full accounting

2686
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:25,400
and refund of all Malibu donor

2687
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:27,200
contributions, including any city

2688
02:29:25,400 --> 02:29:29,360
donations or public funds connected to

2689
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:30,760
this effort. Malibu residents supported

2690
02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:33,280
this brigade because we need local

2691
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:35,080
capability, local accountability, and

2692
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:36,440
local resources.

2693
02:29:35,080 --> 02:29:38,080
Mr. Woodworth should do the right thing

2694
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:39,480
now, withdraw the lawsuit, release the

2695
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:41,040
money, release the trucks, and stop

2696
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:43,440
standing in the way of Malibu protecting

2697
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:45,360
itself. And if he refuses, then the city

2698
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:47,800
and community should pursue every lawful

2699
02:29:45,360 --> 02:29:50,080
remedy available to recover the assets

2700
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:51,720
and funds donated for Malibu's safety.

2701
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:53,440
The community brigade belongs to Malibu.

2702
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:55,360
It was built by Malibu volunteers,

2703
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:57,160
funded by Malibu donors, and trusted by

2704
02:29:55,360 --> 02:30:00,880
Malibu families. It should never be

2705
02:29:57,160 --> 02:30:03,078
seized from Malibu by anyone. Thank you.

2706
02:30:00,880 --> 02:30:03,720
» No clapping. Hey, hey.

2707
02:30:03,078 --> 02:30:06,800
» [applause]

2708
02:30:03,720 --> 02:30:08,920
» Please Hey, we just adopted a resolution

2709
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:11,120
reinforcing the rule that we're going to

2710
02:30:08,920 --> 02:30:12,840
stay decorous here. Just

2711
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:15,880
Just like that.

2712
02:30:12,840 --> 02:30:18,280
Okay. Linda Gibbs, Scott Detrick, and

2713
02:30:15,880 --> 02:30:21,520
then Mikey Pearson, and Mikey's got an

2714
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:24,000
extra minute if

2715
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:24,800
Stephen Johnson is still here.

2716
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:26,160
Okay, cool.

2717
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:29,000
» Hi, I

2718
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:34,200
Linda Gibbs. Hello, council.

2719
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:38,680
And um yeah. Um back in night uh 2021,

2720
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:43,360
not 1921, uh 2021, I was speaking um

2721
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:46,800
then about uh these 5G towers and

2722
02:30:43,360 --> 02:30:49,400
with the lawyer that was helping. So,

2723
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:50,720
rather than speak about a particular

2724
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:51,960
uh thing, I want to just talk about

2725
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:55,400
trust.

2726
02:30:51,960 --> 02:30:57,640
And [snorts] what happens is that we're

2727
02:30:55,400 --> 02:31:01,280
losing trust in

2728
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:03,440
this process. When things don't get done

2729
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:05,960
and when um

2730
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:09,480
because of what you already heard, that

2731
02:31:05,960 --> 02:31:12,560
these appeals are happening and before

2732
02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:14,680
they're even finished. Um

2733
02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:17,240
I just want to We have 12 appeals

2734
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:20,000
pending. These decisions are not final.

2735
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:22,800
Four sites, as you've heard, um there's

2736
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:26,600
fire safety protocol that was not

2737
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:30,360
completed in the uh residential

2738
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:35,280
um protocol that needs to be finished um

2739
02:31:30,360 --> 02:31:36,080
and um rules um are not being enforced.

2740
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:38,280
Um

2741
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:41,160
this is how um Malibu should operate

2742
02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:42,760
with its rules. Um

2743
02:31:41,160 --> 02:31:45,400
This is not how public safety should be

2744
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:47,960
handled. I'm obviously reading a list

2745
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:49,520
and this is not how residents um should

2746
02:31:47,960 --> 02:31:51,520
be treated. So just think about the

2747
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:53,360
trust that you want to um engender.

2748
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:54,720
Thank you very much.

2749
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:57,200
» Thank you, Linda.

2750
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:57,200
Scott

2751
02:31:58,680 --> 02:32:04,280
Thank you uh Mr. Mayor, council, and

2752
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:08,040
city manager.

2753
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:11,640
Malibu is a special place.

2754
02:32:08,040 --> 02:32:14,360
That's why we live here.

2755
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:17,600
One of the things that makes us special

2756
02:32:14,360 --> 02:32:21,760
is all the volunteers.

2757
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:24,240
Arson watch, CERT, volunteers on patrol,

2758
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:28,160
and fire brigades.

2759
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:32,160
It's a volunteer group. Unfortunately,

2760
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:36,440
it appears that Brent Woodward has

2761
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:36,440
gone on some weird power trip.

2762
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:43,360
Mr. Woodward, please go back. You

2763
02:32:39,880 --> 02:32:46,600
contributed a great deal in the past.

2764
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:49,600
Please rescind your lawsuit.

2765
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:52,120
Make it work. Work with the people and I

2766
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:53,600
urge the council to take every legal

2767
02:32:52,120 --> 02:32:58,160
step

2768
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:58,160
if Brent won't voluntarily

2769
02:32:58,440 --> 02:33:03,520
yield the stupid control issue that he's

2770
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:05,000
having.

2771
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:07,200
You guys

2772
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:08,920
need to take action. That's going to be

2773
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:11,560
tough.

2774
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:15,080
Secondly,

2775
02:33:11,560 --> 02:33:17,240
I totally agree with Tiffany.

2776
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:19,840
We're public works commissioners. I've

2777
02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:22,520
been on the commission for 10 years.

2778
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:24,520
Part of our work product

2779
02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:27,200
is telecom.

2780
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:29,120
So, now we have small cell towers. We've

2781
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:32,720
never dealt with that

2782
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:35,640
on the Public Works Commission.

2783
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:37,560
I think the whole procedure is messed

2784
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:40,320
up.

2785
02:33:37,560 --> 02:33:44,120
I think you guys should vote to have a

2786
02:33:40,320 --> 02:33:46,600
moratorium until we can sort this out,

2787
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:48,920
determine

2788
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:51,920
if there's a danger,

2789
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:54,200
cuz I know there's several dangers.

2790
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:57,120
Technically, I don't know, but I know

2791
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:58,720
that you put them on a pole,

2792
02:33:57,120 --> 02:34:01,400
and that pole, they're never going to

2793
02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:03,160
want to take it down again.

2794
02:34:01,400 --> 02:34:05,600
That's not what we want. We're fighting

2795
02:34:03,160 --> 02:34:09,440
to underground, right?

2796
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:12,080
So, let's put the moratorium on right

2797
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:14,880
now, tonight,

2798
02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:17,520
and have a broader discussion,

2799
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:20,880
and make sure these darn little things

2800
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:22,480
don't just proliferate all over Malibu.

2801
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:24,800
Thank you.

2802
02:34:22,480 --> 02:34:27,240
» Thank you, Scott.

2803
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:27,240
Mickey.

2804
02:34:27,800 --> 02:34:30,960
Mickey gets 4 minutes.

2805
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:34,000
» I'll try and make it shorter. I don't

2806
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:37,160
didn't even know I had an extra minute.

2807
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:39,480
Um thank you, City Council, and uh

2808
02:34:37,160 --> 02:34:42,000
thank you, Joe and and Scott. That was

2809
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:43,240
unexpected, and wow.

2810
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:44,840
Um

2811
02:34:43,240 --> 02:34:46,400
Mary Ann, I said I'd try and limit us to

2812
02:34:44,840 --> 02:34:47,680
four. I think there's five of us. So, I

2813
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:50,280
apologize.

2814
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:52,520
Um I I just want to start off by saying

2815
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:54,040
the Community Brigade is not going

2816
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:56,440
anywhere.

2817
02:34:54,040 --> 02:34:59,880
We are not leaving Malibu. We are not

2818
02:34:56,440 --> 02:35:01,120
done by any stretch of the imagination.

2819
02:34:59,880 --> 02:35:04,160
As a matter of fact, we're really busy,

2820
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:06,560
just really limited on resources.

2821
02:35:04,160 --> 02:35:08,560
So, we've really been thinking a lot

2822
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:10,720
about who we are during this difficult

2823
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:12,560
time with litigation and all the other

2824
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:13,800
stuff going on.

2825
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:15,320
But, we really come down to thinking

2826
02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:16,880
about our values.

2827
02:35:15,320 --> 02:35:18,360
What are we about?

2828
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:20,120
And I'm going to share kind of the four

2829
02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:21,400
values where I see them standing right

2830
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:23,440
now.

2831
02:35:21,400 --> 02:35:25,520
Our highest value

2832
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:27,320
is to our brigade members.

2833
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:28,680
Number one, we want to be there for

2834
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:31,360
them.

2835
02:35:28,680 --> 02:35:32,360
Number two, it's the community.

2836
02:35:31,360 --> 02:35:33,280
And you know what? They're the same

2837
02:35:32,360 --> 02:35:34,840
thing.

2838
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:36,120
There's absolutely no difference between

2839
02:35:34,840 --> 02:35:39,000
them.

2840
02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:40,360
Number three is to be in prepared.

2841
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:42,160
Our training,

2842
02:35:40,360 --> 02:35:44,120
being ready to help out in whatever kind

2843
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:45,880
of disaster or need

2844
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:47,680
comes to Malibu.

2845
02:35:45,880 --> 02:35:50,080
And number four, we could probably put

2846
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:52,280
on the MOA with the county.

2847
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:54,360
It'd be great to have. We don't need it

2848
02:35:52,280 --> 02:35:56,560
to do what we've always done for all

2849
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:58,960
these last decades.

2850
02:35:56,560 --> 02:36:01,160
So,

2851
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:03,320
thinking about that,

2852
02:36:01,160 --> 02:36:05,320
we continue to work with our long with

2853
02:36:03,320 --> 02:36:06,600
our partners that we that we have at the

2854
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:08,720
moment.

2855
02:36:06,600 --> 02:36:11,120
Um Boys & Girls Club and the and the um

2856
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:13,240
long-term recovery group has been great.

2857
02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:14,640
They've really helped us get back in

2858
02:36:13,240 --> 02:36:17,280
some areas.

2859
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:18,760
Home hardening is underway. I think

2860
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:21,360
since March when we restarted, we've

2861
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:24,480
done over 30, I think 32

2862
02:36:21,360 --> 02:36:27,200
assessments already, including uh two

2863
02:36:24,480 --> 02:36:28,920
schools as well.

2864
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:30,520
We continue working on supporting

2865
02:36:28,920 --> 02:36:32,920
Firewise communities and neighborhood

2866
02:36:30,520 --> 02:36:34,080
preparedness efforts.

2867
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:35,600
Um

2868
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:37,920
actually this Sunday night we're doing a

2869
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:40,400
senior preparedness night at Duke's to

2870
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:42,120
help seniors be ready for disasters. I

2871
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:44,080
think we'll be downloading

2872
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:46,280
um you know, a couple apps here all

2873
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:47,840
night. Probably take a while, that's my

2874
02:36:46,280 --> 02:36:50,760
guess.

2875
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:51,920
Um community education is big for us,

2876
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:52,760
too.

2877
02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:55,000
Um

2878
02:36:52,760 --> 02:36:57,000
what we're really after

2879
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:58,080
in the big scheme of things is culture

2880
02:36:57,000 --> 02:37:00,560
change.

2881
02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:03,560
We want to change the culture in this

2882
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:06,600
area and fire-prone our fire-prone area

2883
02:37:03,560 --> 02:37:07,800
so that people can live successfully in

2884
02:37:06,600 --> 02:37:10,200
this area

2885
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:11,880
and not burn down.

2886
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:12,960
And not suffer when a fire comes

2887
02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:15,480
through.

2888
02:37:12,960 --> 02:37:16,720
So, to that end, we are very involved

2889
02:37:15,480 --> 02:37:19,040
with the school.

2890
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:20,560
We have the junior brigade, which um I

2891
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:22,680
have a note here saying we have 18

2892
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:25,480
people in that program right now.

2893
02:37:22,680 --> 02:37:27,560
And that's fantastic. 18 people

2894
02:37:25,480 --> 02:37:29,280
that are helping spread the word, that

2895
02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:31,240
are going home

2896
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:33,200
and telling their parents what they can

2897
02:37:31,240 --> 02:37:34,880
do to improve their house,

2898
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:37,680
their neighborhood.

2899
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:39,280
And that to us is is really

2900
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:41,840
a home run.

2901
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:44,240
During all this with uh limited

2902
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:46,000
equipment, um we got a few old trucks

2903
02:37:44,240 --> 02:37:47,520
and, you know, wearing blue jeans,

2904
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:48,080
whatever it takes.

2905
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:49,680
Um

2906
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:53,120
we've been working on water supply and

2907
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:55,960
pump operations training, hose lays and

2908
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:57,840
mobile filling stations, uh field triage

2909
02:37:55,960 --> 02:38:00,440
exercises and operational ready

2910
02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:03,120
readiness training.

2911
02:38:00,440 --> 02:38:05,880
We're continuing to try and equip our

2912
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:07,360
people with PPE and other equipment.

2913
02:38:05,880 --> 02:38:08,840
Radios, we're working on affording

2914
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:11,440
radios now.

2915
02:38:08,840 --> 02:38:14,120
Um I could go on, but I I just want to

2916
02:38:11,440 --> 02:38:16,400
wrap this up. We also really appreciate

2917
02:38:14,120 --> 02:38:18,520
the faith that you have put in us. That

2918
02:38:16,400 --> 02:38:20,520
means everything. We know you've given

2919
02:38:18,520 --> 02:38:23,040
us $200,000.

2920
02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:24,360
We are not done getting that money back

2921
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,240
at all,

2922
02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:28,120
and we will make sure that we pay that

2923
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:30,800
debt. And I just want to thank you for

2924
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:30,800
your support.

2925
02:38:30,920 --> 02:38:33,600
» Thank you, Mikey.

2926
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:39,520
Keegan Gibbs.

2927
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:41,240
Is Cassandra Riera still here? Okay.

2928
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:43,800
Keegan Gibbs,

2929
02:38:41,240 --> 02:38:47,600
and then Marshall

2930
02:38:43,800 --> 02:38:49,760
Cobin, you've got 4 minutes assuming

2931
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:51,000
Colin is here. Okay.

2932
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:53,280
And then

2933
02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:55,840
Aaron

2934
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:57,440
Marderosian.

2935
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:59,520
» Mardo.

2936
02:38:57,440 --> 02:39:00,800
Um

2937
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:02,040
for me, I'm I'm just going to talk about

2938
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:03,560
community real quick. Uh Maryanne,

2939
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:05,840
you've been around the country with us

2940
02:39:03,560 --> 02:39:07,240
speaking. Steve, you appointed me to

2941
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:09,160
public safety. We've done a lot

2942
02:39:07,240 --> 02:39:11,120
together. Uh Alan, you've been a huge

2943
02:39:09,160 --> 02:39:13,600
advocate for us and you've been a stud

2944
02:39:11,120 --> 02:39:15,840
out or stud out out here

2945
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:17,800
um for our city. And then the huge

2946
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:19,200
donation. Doug, you've been incredible

2947
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:20,840
with

2948
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:22,200
all the early meetings with Fire Front

2949
02:39:20,840 --> 02:39:23,320
Following. We were on the public safety

2950
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:24,400
together.

2951
02:39:23,320 --> 02:39:25,480
Um

2952
02:39:24,400 --> 02:39:26,640
and everything you're continuing to do

2953
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:28,880
with the brigade with us right now

2954
02:39:26,640 --> 02:39:30,840
behind the scenes means a lot.

2955
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:33,880
And Bruce, I remember hugging you in

2956
02:39:30,840 --> 02:39:36,840
your driveway after the Franklin fire.

2957
02:39:33,880 --> 02:39:38,880
And that is what the brigade in this

2958
02:39:36,840 --> 02:39:40,680
community is about. Is all of us working

2959
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:42,160
together, right? And all the people

2960
02:39:40,680 --> 02:39:43,520
standing behind us.

2961
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:45,200
Um

2962
02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:47,720
so that to me is just that's our North

2963
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:49,400
Star. And I'm up here just to tell you

2964
02:39:47,720 --> 02:39:51,560
that

2965
02:39:49,400 --> 02:39:55,080
you have my word and my integrity and my

2966
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:57,120
loyalty to my community is everything.

2967
02:39:55,080 --> 02:39:59,200
And every step that we're taking trying

2968
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:01,120
to go through this process of this

2969
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:03,120
litigation,

2970
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:04,680
you are my North Star.

2971
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:06,640
The people back here, that's our North

2972
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:08,840
Star. Our community is our North Star,

2973
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:10,720
right? And I promise this Yeah, it's

2974
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:12,600
messy. It sucks.

2975
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:14,480
Um this has been the hardest year of my

2976
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:16,320
life for sure. The especially the last 6

2977
02:40:14,480 --> 02:40:18,680
months. It's been a nightmare.

2978
02:40:16,320 --> 02:40:21,520
But I just like I we lost our house in

2979
02:40:18,680 --> 02:40:22,720
the Woolsey fire. I joke around that it

2980
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:25,400
was the best thing that ever happened to

2981
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:27,240
me because it gave me a sense of purpose

2982
02:40:25,400 --> 02:40:29,440
in this program.

2983
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:31,920
And I know that this process that we're

2984
02:40:29,440 --> 02:40:33,520
going through in this lawsuit,

2985
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:35,680
I genuinely feel lucky I'm in this

2986
02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:38,800
position that I'm in. And to have the

2987
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:40,400
trust of the people here, of all you,

2988
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:42,120
and I know for me personally, I'm

2989
02:40:40,400 --> 02:40:43,080
selfish that I think I'm going to become

2990
02:40:42,120 --> 02:40:45,000
a better person through the whole

2991
02:40:43,080 --> 02:40:46,840
process. So I feel thankful that I'm

2992
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,800
going through that process.

2993
02:40:46,840 --> 02:40:50,280
Um

2994
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:51,640
and uh

2995
02:40:50,280 --> 02:40:53,880
I just want to say like this has been

2996
02:40:51,640 --> 02:40:56,720
the biggest honor of my life is to be a

2997
02:40:53,880 --> 02:40:58,120
part of this program and to become

2998
02:40:56,720 --> 02:41:00,520
friends with people like Colin who I

2999
02:40:58,120 --> 02:41:01,920
probably never would have met before,

3000
02:41:00,520 --> 02:41:04,520
even though he's from Big Rock and

3001
02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:06,480
doesn't surf and like to be friends with

3002
02:41:04,520 --> 02:41:08,000
Joe who is like I was always scared of

3003
02:41:06,480 --> 02:41:08,960
before.

3004
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:11,000
Um

3005
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:13,360
Steven who just moved to Malibu, we got

3006
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:15,800
people from all over the community that

3007
02:41:13,360 --> 02:41:17,600
are generally brothers and sisters now

3008
02:41:15,800 --> 02:41:19,400
and I don't know of a different another

3009
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:21,600
program in Malibu that has ever done

3010
02:41:19,400 --> 02:41:22,920
that and to me that's just that's what

3011
02:41:21,600 --> 02:41:25,360
the beauty of the program is. It's not

3012
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:27,960
just the firefighting and all that. So

3013
02:41:25,360 --> 02:41:29,400
you've got my word I'm doing my hardest

3014
02:41:27,960 --> 02:41:31,760
to advocate for what's best for our

3015
02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:35,360
community. So thank you.

3016
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:35,360
» Thank you Kegan. Marshall.

3017
02:41:38,360 --> 02:41:41,640
And thank everybody for maintaining

3018
02:41:40,280 --> 02:41:44,320
decorum.

3019
02:41:41,640 --> 02:41:46,080
It's much appreciated.

3020
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:47,240
» I've got an incredible brigade story to

3021
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:49,320
tell.

3022
02:41:47,240 --> 02:41:50,680
Um hi City Council. My name is Marshall

3023
02:41:49,320 --> 02:41:52,200
Coben.

3024
02:41:50,680 --> 02:41:54,720
I live in the northeast corner of the

3025
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:57,680
Malibu Colony in that row of houses that

3026
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:59,280
is adjacent to the Lagoon footpath.

3027
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,920
I walked that path back there a couple

3028
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:03,000
of months ago to see how they've been

3029
02:42:00,920 --> 02:42:06,840
maintaining their brush.

3030
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:08,560
And I was appalled at what I saw.

3031
02:42:06,840 --> 02:42:10,000
It was literally mountains of dried

3032
02:42:08,560 --> 02:42:13,120
brush and leaves like someone was

3033
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:15,840
planning a bonfire behind our houses.

3034
02:42:13,120 --> 02:42:19,400
Then I come to find out that it is their

3035
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:20,960
policy not to maintain their brush but

3036
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:23,120
that as a homeowner

3037
02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:24,840
living adjacent to the State Park

3038
02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:27,200
I could pay for a permit and do the work

3039
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:28,880
myself.

3040
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:31,200
This was pretty frustrating, made me

3041
02:42:28,880 --> 02:42:33,080
pretty angry.

3042
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:34,480
But I applied for the permit and started

3043
02:42:33,080 --> 02:42:36,640
making plans to do the work.

3044
02:42:34,480 --> 02:42:38,840
Fortuitously, I had the brigade in the

3045
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:40,160
neighborhood to do some home hardening

3046
02:42:38,840 --> 02:42:41,760
assessments for me and a few of my

3047
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:44,000
neighbors. We're up to eight in the

3048
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:46,080
Malibu Colony.

3049
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:48,280
And I was shocked

3050
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:50,920
when they offered to do the brush

3051
02:42:48,280 --> 02:42:54,000
clearing for me

3052
02:42:50,920 --> 02:42:56,840
as volunteers.

3053
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:59,760
So we set a date. I got a giant dumpster

3054
02:42:56,840 --> 02:43:02,680
brought in, and last Monday and Tuesday

3055
02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:05,000
15 Brigade members showed up in uniform

3056
02:43:02,680 --> 02:43:07,680
with chainsaws, rakes, and trucks

3057
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:10,560
and did the most incredibly efficient

3058
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:14,600
and well-organized job removing nearly 7

3059
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:14,600
tons of very dry fuel.

3060
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:19,760
This is a great example of what this

3061
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:21,680
community means to the people of the

3062
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:23,720
Brigade.

3063
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:25,400
Let's continue to show them what they

3064
02:43:23,720 --> 02:43:28,960
mean to us.

3065
02:43:25,400 --> 02:43:28,960
And here's a little video of the job.

3066
02:44:36,120 --> 02:44:40,000
» That appears to be the end of the video.

3067
02:44:37,280 --> 02:44:41,280
I think we can turn that off.

3068
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:43,440
Thank you.

3069
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:44,840
Aaron.

3070
02:44:43,440 --> 02:44:46,520
» Uh good evening,

3071
02:44:44,840 --> 02:44:47,840
uh Mr. Mayor, Council.

3072
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:49,560
Fellow community members, my name's

3073
02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:52,000
Aaron Martirosyan.

3074
02:44:49,560 --> 02:44:53,960
Uh I'm part of the community Brigade.

3075
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:55,600
Um over the last several months the

3076
02:44:53,960 --> 02:44:58,000
brigade has been taking an inventory of

3077
02:44:55,600 --> 02:45:01,000
the equipment we have available to us.

3078
02:44:58,000 --> 02:45:02,880
Um, as some of you know and have heard,

3079
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:04,480
we have never had access to or the

3080
02:45:02,880 --> 02:45:07,440
benefit of the vast amount of funds that

3081
02:45:04,480 --> 02:45:09,240
were donated to us by our community uh

3082
02:45:07,440 --> 02:45:11,680
with the intent and purpose of those

3083
02:45:09,240 --> 02:45:13,000
donations being intended to purchase and

3084
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:15,040
provide us

3085
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:17,280
the volunteers on the ground

3086
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:18,840
um

3087
02:45:17,280 --> 02:45:22,080
with proper equipment, personal

3088
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:24,600
protective equipment, and safe, reliable

3089
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:26,440
working vehicles. Uh all of the gear we

3090
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:29,800
currently do have in our possession was

3091
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:32,280
paid for and or is personally owned by

3092
02:45:29,800 --> 02:45:35,320
several individual brigade members.

3093
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:36,840
Um, to date we still do not have any

3094
02:45:35,320 --> 02:45:38,920
vehicles that would fully meet

3095
02:45:36,840 --> 02:45:40,000
operational standards.

3096
02:45:38,920 --> 02:45:41,520
Um

3097
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:43,360
despite all of this, we are not letting

3098
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:45,680
that stand in our way. We are continuing

3099
02:45:43,360 --> 02:45:48,120
to do the best we can with what we have.

3100
02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:49,880
Uh with brigade volunteers and even

3101
02:45:48,120 --> 02:45:51,800
personal finances, we are working to

3102
02:45:49,880 --> 02:45:53,280
fix, standardize, and make use of the

3103
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:56,560
equipment we do have in our possession

3104
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:58,720
including hoses, nozzles, tools, pumps,

3105
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:02,560
saws, and most important of all personal

3106
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:05,800
protective equipment. Um, which

3107
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:07,800
uh half of our 92 members never received

3108
02:46:05,800 --> 02:46:09,080
in the first place.

3109
02:46:07,800 --> 02:46:10,680
So once again, we've been reaching into

3110
02:46:09,080 --> 02:46:12,960
our own pockets to provide ourselves the

3111
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:14,320
basic uh necessary essential equipment

3112
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:15,640
for ourselves.

3113
02:46:14,320 --> 02:46:17,480
Um

3114
02:46:15,640 --> 02:46:20,760
which matches our commitment to our

3115
02:46:17,480 --> 02:46:23,120
community and the belief in our program.

3116
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:25,240
We are resilient and resourceful

3117
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:27,760
and will be here for Malibu

3118
02:46:25,240 --> 02:46:29,880
um and this community this season and

3119
02:46:27,760 --> 02:46:31,360
every other season in any way we can.

3120
02:46:29,880 --> 02:46:33,920
Thank you.

3121
02:46:31,360 --> 02:46:33,920
» Thank you.

3122
02:46:34,520 --> 02:46:41,280
Okay, Dana Phillips. Is Dax Miller here?

3123
02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:44,400
Okay. Then you've got 4 minutes followed

3124
02:46:41,280 --> 02:46:46,760
by Nicole McGinnley and then Arno

3125
02:46:44,400 --> 02:46:47,680
Coke You'll you'll help me with

3126
02:46:46,760 --> 02:46:49,840
that.

3127
02:46:47,680 --> 02:46:51,440
And then thank you, Coke. And then

3128
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:54,320
Christopher Sorensen will be our last

3129
02:46:51,440 --> 02:46:55,440
in-person speaker.

3130
02:46:54,320 --> 02:46:56,640
» Hi, thanks for giving me the

3131
02:46:55,440 --> 02:46:58,480
opportunity.

3132
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:00,920
Um I'm just going to read a letter that

3133
02:46:58,480 --> 02:47:02,560
I think you've all received from uh

3134
02:47:00,920 --> 02:47:04,920
written by the brigade that is signed by

3135
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:07,040
92 of the 98 of us.

3136
02:47:04,920 --> 02:47:08,960
Uh to our community affiliated agencies,

3137
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:11,000
elected officials, donors, and fellow

3138
02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:12,760
brigade members. For several months,

3139
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:15,400
many of us have raised serious concerns

3140
02:47:12,760 --> 02:47:17,400
with the LAEPF quietly and respectfully.

3141
02:47:15,400 --> 02:47:19,360
We asked for financial transparency,

3142
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:21,080
better governance, and appropriate

3143
02:47:19,360 --> 02:47:23,320
authority over the program that brigade

3144
02:47:21,080 --> 02:47:25,320
volunteers built, operated, funded, and

3145
02:47:23,320 --> 02:47:27,760
carried forward through countless hours

3146
02:47:25,320 --> 02:47:29,640
of work, training, and fire responses.

3147
02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:31,960
Instead of meaningful accountability or

3148
02:47:29,640 --> 02:47:33,880
collaboration, what has followed seems

3149
02:47:31,960 --> 02:47:35,480
to be retaliation in an attempt to

3150
02:47:33,880 --> 02:47:38,200
silence concerns and completely

3151
02:47:35,480 --> 02:47:40,080
disregard our contributions. The LAEPF

3152
02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:41,680
chose to file lawsuits with meritless

3153
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:43,760
allegations against some of the very

3154
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:45,360
people who built this program, raised

3155
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:46,880
the money that sustained it, and helped

3156
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:48,600
to establish its credibility and

3157
02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:50,680
operational success.

3158
02:47:48,600 --> 02:47:52,360
Two of the individuals, actually three,

3159
02:47:50,680 --> 02:47:54,320
being sued are among those of us who

3160
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:55,920
responded during the Palisades fire and

3161
02:47:54,320 --> 02:47:57,960
helped save Brentwood residents' own

3162
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:59,400
home when it was under threat despite

3163
02:47:57,960 --> 02:48:01,960
public narratives that failed to

3164
02:47:59,400 --> 02:48:04,160
acknowledge those efforts. That moment

3165
02:48:01,960 --> 02:48:06,200
has become symbolic of a larger systemic

3166
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:07,600
problem in the culture of the LAEPF

3167
02:48:06,200 --> 02:48:09,360
organization.

3168
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:11,320
Trust has been broken by the leadership

3169
02:48:09,360 --> 02:48:12,360
of the LAEPF with us, the volunteer

3170
02:48:11,320 --> 02:48:14,080
body.

3171
02:48:12,360 --> 02:48:15,560
Not because of one disagreement, but

3172
02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:17,440
because of an ongoing pattern of

3173
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:19,560
centralized control, lack of

3174
02:48:17,440 --> 02:48:21,040
transparency, poor communications, and

3175
02:48:19,560 --> 02:48:23,440
decisions that we believe have

3176
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:24,920
repeatedly put ego, ownership, and

3177
02:48:23,440 --> 02:48:26,560
authority ahead of the people who

3178
02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:28,880
actually built the brigade into what it

3179
02:48:26,560 --> 02:48:31,400
became, and what the program is meant to

3180
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:32,880
serve, the community. Many of us stayed

3181
02:48:31,400 --> 02:48:34,840
silent because we wanted to protect the

3182
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:37,120
program and respect a decision a

3183
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:39,760
discussion process, while hoping Brent

3184
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:41,400
and the LAEPF would adequately address

3185
02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:43,520
our concerning

3186
02:48:41,400 --> 02:48:45,280
Even after filing a meritless lawsuit by

3187
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:46,760
LAEPF, there was still a push for us to

3188
02:48:45,280 --> 02:48:48,040
stay quiet while restructuring was

3189
02:48:46,760 --> 02:48:49,600
mediated.

3190
02:48:48,040 --> 02:48:51,360
Integrity is the core of the fire

3191
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:53,120
service, and there comes a point where

3192
02:48:51,360 --> 02:48:54,680
where remaining silent starts to

3193
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:56,960
compromise the very value that this

3194
02:48:54,680 --> 02:48:59,680
brigade was built on. We've reached that

3195
02:48:56,960 --> 02:49:01,400
point. As volunteers of the and members

3196
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:02,600
of the brigade, we can no longer support

3197
02:49:01,400 --> 02:49:05,480
or remain subordinate to any

3198
02:49:02,600 --> 02:49:07,560
organization in which Brent Woodward or

3199
02:49:05,480 --> 02:49:09,760
the LAEPF retains authority over the

3200
02:49:07,560 --> 02:49:12,280
brigade program in our community. The

3201
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:14,080
trust necessary to continue under that

3202
02:49:12,280 --> 02:49:16,320
leadership no longer exists for those of

3203
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:17,800
us signed here in the volunteer body,

3204
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:19,560
nor for the many supporters and

3205
02:49:17,800 --> 02:49:22,280
stakeholders who helped build this

3206
02:49:19,560 --> 02:49:23,800
effort alongside us.

3207
02:49:22,280 --> 02:49:26,080
We continue to be passionate about the

3208
02:49:23,800 --> 02:49:28,200
program and the mission that remains

3209
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:29,840
intact. The relationships, training,

3210
02:49:28,200 --> 02:49:31,760
operational knowledge, and commitment

3211
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:33,320
that has built this brigade still exist.

3212
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:35,520
Our commitment to our partners, LA

3213
02:49:33,320 --> 02:49:37,720
County Fire, our donors, and what our

3214
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:39,400
community remains strong.

3215
02:49:37,720 --> 02:49:41,560
What no longer exists is confidence in

3216
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:43,080
LAEPF's leadership structure or its

3217
02:49:41,560 --> 02:49:45,400
intentions with the community this

3218
02:49:43,080 --> 02:49:46,880
program is meant to serve. We deserve

3219
02:49:45,400 --> 02:49:48,240
and we are committed to implementing

3220
02:49:46,880 --> 02:49:50,600
governance that is transparent,

3221
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:52,040
accountable, collaborative, and worthy

3222
02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:53,440
of the people supporting it.

3223
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:57,000
Respectfully, the members of the

3224
02:49:53,440 --> 02:49:57,000
community brigade. Thank you.

3225
02:49:59,160 --> 02:50:03,000
» Thank you.

3226
02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:03,000
Nicole.

3227
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:11,280
» Hi everybody.

3228
02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:14,200
Nice to be here. Nice to see you all.

3229
02:50:11,280 --> 02:50:16,840
Um first of all, I am so inspired to be

3230
02:50:14,200 --> 02:50:20,240
alongside all of these outstanding

3231
02:50:16,840 --> 02:50:21,280
citizens and call them now comrades.

3232
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:23,440
So,

3233
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:26,240
um I'm here uh for a couple different

3234
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:28,960
things, uh one of which is to say thank

3235
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:30,040
you for all that you guys do on behalf

3236
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:33,920
of

3237
02:50:30,040 --> 02:50:35,840
the AYSO board. Um we received our grant

3238
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:37,680
uh funding from you guys, and so I

3239
02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:39,480
really appreciate that. That grant is

3240
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:43,080
going to allow

3241
02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:46,560
for Soccer Sundays culture to be um a

3242
02:50:43,080 --> 02:50:48,880
lot more hospitable for our families to,

3243
02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:51,200
you know, we really serve an interesting

3244
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:54,320
demographic in the fact that our kids go

3245
02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:57,080
to schools all over Malibu, over the

3246
02:50:54,320 --> 02:51:00,080
hill, but Soccer Sunday, oh, excuse me,

3247
02:50:57,080 --> 02:51:02,320
Soccer Saturdays and softball

3248
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:04,720
are some of the glue of our community,

3249
02:51:02,320 --> 02:51:06,600
and um it really brings everybody

3250
02:51:04,720 --> 02:51:08,480
together even if they live 30 minutes

3251
02:51:06,600 --> 02:51:11,280
away from each other. It's a great time.

3252
02:51:08,480 --> 02:51:17,520
So, thank you very much for that.

3253
02:51:11,280 --> 02:51:20,200
Um but on on a not so happy note, uh

3254
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:20,200
I

3255
02:51:20,480 --> 02:51:24,160
want to just skip through a lot of this

3256
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:26,560
because a lot of people said everything.

3257
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:29,600
I'm I'm not an appellant,

3258
02:51:26,560 --> 02:51:33,080
as you know, on um those

3259
02:51:29,600 --> 02:51:36,280
12 uh appeals,

3260
02:51:33,080 --> 02:51:38,960
but I did work very hard with several of

3261
02:51:36,280 --> 02:51:40,800
you and this um council and the two

3262
02:51:38,960 --> 02:51:45,400
prior councils

3263
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:48,640
to put fire safety protocol into our

3264
02:51:45,400 --> 02:51:52,360
ordinance, our and to update our telecom

3265
02:51:48,640 --> 02:51:55,200
ordinance so that we had a leg to stand

3266
02:51:52,360 --> 02:51:57,320
on as a city.

3267
02:51:55,200 --> 02:52:00,360
It's very disappointing

3268
02:51:57,320 --> 02:52:03,280
to be in a process when our residents

3269
02:52:00,360 --> 02:52:04,800
have appealed, and as people mentioned,

3270
02:52:03,280 --> 02:52:08,200
they did everything that they needed to

3271
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:10,840
do in order to make sure when they saw

3272
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:13,240
the application and it didn't follow the

3273
02:52:10,840 --> 02:52:14,640
safety protocol that they believe,

3274
02:52:13,240 --> 02:52:17,400
excuse me, they believed could be

3275
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:19,400
followed, that they appealed.

3276
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:20,760
And now all of a sudden these sites are

3277
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:23,200
just being installed. I had people

3278
02:52:20,760 --> 02:52:25,400
texting me, "Why are these people out

3279
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:27,200
here? What's going on?"

3280
02:52:25,400 --> 02:52:29,200
Some people called into the city, "Can

3281
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:32,240
you put a stop order on this?" We've I

3282
02:52:29,200 --> 02:52:34,280
mean, it's it was just a really

3283
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:37,320
um disturbing

3284
02:52:34,280 --> 02:52:39,080
to say the least. There is a process and

3285
02:52:37,320 --> 02:52:42,480
that fire safety protocol which we

3286
02:52:39,080 --> 02:52:44,920
meticulously worked on

3287
02:52:42,480 --> 02:52:47,480
as it's not being upheld. It's meant to

3288
02:52:44,920 --> 02:52:50,000
be a checklist item at the beginning of

3289
02:52:47,480 --> 02:52:52,280
the application process.

3290
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:55,280
It didn't happen.

3291
02:52:52,280 --> 02:52:56,520
This has got to be re- re-looked at,

3292
02:52:55,280 --> 02:52:59,440
please.

3293
02:52:56,520 --> 02:53:01,920
And all of these years of hard work

3294
02:52:59,440 --> 02:53:04,640
we cannot be installing unchecked

3295
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:08,400
equipment especially electrical

3296
02:53:04,640 --> 02:53:11,080
equipment into our fire-prone community.

3297
02:53:08,400 --> 02:53:12,120
So, I I am with everybody with that. So,

3298
02:53:11,080 --> 02:53:13,600
thank you very much for your time.

3299
02:53:12,120 --> 02:53:16,000
» Thank you, Nicole.

3300
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:16,000
Arna?

3301
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:29,280
» Good evening.

3302
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:32,000
I am uh

3303
02:53:29,280 --> 02:53:34,020
wearing two hats tonight.

3304
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,020
» [laughter]

3305
02:53:35,560 --> 02:53:38,480
» Pun intended.

3306
02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:44,480
Number one, GEO remains the biggest

3307
02:53:41,640 --> 02:53:46,440
point of contention for the fire

3308
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:49,840
rebuilders.

3309
02:53:46,440 --> 02:53:52,160
Uh residents sometimes suggest that they

3310
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:54,280
are that the uh GEO consultants are just

3311
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:56,920
trying to make bank at the expense of

3312
02:53:54,280 --> 02:53:57,920
fire survivors.

3313
02:53:56,920 --> 02:54:00,480
Uh I personally [clears throat] don't

3314
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:02,160
believe that. Um I believe they are

3315
02:54:00,480 --> 02:54:04,040
doing what they're supposed to do,

3316
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:06,440
consult.

3317
02:54:04,040 --> 02:54:08,760
And write diligent reports and comments.

3318
02:54:06,440 --> 02:54:10,760
Conciatore's did, FEMA did, and PB5

3319
02:54:08,760 --> 02:54:14,920
does.

3320
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:18,440
Um the issue is they are left not to

3321
02:54:14,920 --> 02:54:20,800
consult, but to decide.

3322
02:54:18,440 --> 02:54:22,880
And impose atrocities on residents that

3323
02:54:20,800 --> 02:54:24,960
are not appropriate.

3324
02:54:22,880 --> 02:54:27,680
I think the consultants do need to

3325
02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:27,680
consult.

3326
02:54:28,760 --> 02:54:33,320
With the regular process following their

3327
02:54:30,400 --> 02:54:35,000
consultation where a city official then

3328
02:54:33,320 --> 02:54:37,080
derives a decision based on the

3329
02:54:35,000 --> 02:54:39,160
resident's geo report

3330
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:40,800
and the consultant's

3331
02:54:39,160 --> 02:54:43,400
consultation

3332
02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:45,120
and not decision.

3333
02:54:43,400 --> 02:54:46,920
Number two,

3334
02:54:45,120 --> 02:54:48,040
I spent a night in a fire and lost my

3335
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:50,920
house.

3336
02:54:48,040 --> 02:54:52,640
I joined the community brigade last fall

3337
02:54:50,920 --> 02:54:54,000
to better protect my family and my

3338
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:56,320
community.

3339
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:58,640
As it appears now, Rick Wodworth, who

3340
02:54:56,320 --> 02:55:00,320
claims to have a similar goal, is not

3341
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:01,760
only threatening the livelihood of

3342
02:55:00,320 --> 02:55:03,800
people who

3343
02:55:01,760 --> 02:55:06,280
protected this community community

3344
02:55:03,800 --> 02:55:08,520
including his own house risking their

3345
02:55:06,280 --> 02:55:11,200
lives, but is also depriving the willing

3346
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:13,320
people of the brigade of equipment they

3347
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:14,840
needs to have available to protect the

3348
02:55:13,320 --> 02:55:16,760
city of Malibu

3349
02:55:14,840 --> 02:55:18,640
tomorrow.

3350
02:55:16,760 --> 02:55:20,200
Your houses.

3351
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:23,960
And I hope none of you ever needs a hug

3352
02:55:20,200 --> 02:55:23,960
from Kivi Keegan after a fire.

3353
02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:27,400
We had a warning shot already this year.

3354
02:55:25,960 --> 02:55:30,040
The Sandi fire would have burned

3355
02:55:27,400 --> 02:55:33,200
straight down to the ocean

3356
02:55:30,040 --> 02:55:35,760
if it just had it had enough wind.

3357
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:38,240
On its path happens to be also the house

3358
02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:41,240
that I'm renting right now. And my wife

3359
02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:43,120
was wondering, should we get a U-Haul

3360
02:55:41,240 --> 02:55:47,320
and just park it into the driveway in

3361
02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:49,360
case that wind changes a little bit?

3362
02:55:47,320 --> 02:55:51,720
If that happens tomorrow, the fire

3363
02:55:49,360 --> 02:55:54,280
trucks and equipment of those who want

3364
02:55:51,720 --> 02:55:56,560
and can help

3365
02:55:54,280 --> 02:56:00,000
will sit locked up

3366
02:55:56,560 --> 02:56:00,000
while your houses burn.

3367
02:56:01,200 --> 02:56:06,760
If that happens,

3368
02:56:03,080 --> 02:56:06,760
Brent will have blood on his hands.

3369
02:56:06,840 --> 02:56:11,360
And I believe we need to protect him

3370
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:13,160
from himself.

3371
02:56:11,360 --> 02:56:15,760
Thank you.

3372
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:15,760
» Thank you, Anna.

3373
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:18,720
Christopher Sarson.

3374
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:27,000
» Hello council, mayor, Putnam and Malibu

3375
02:56:25,800 --> 02:56:28,520
City Council.

3376
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:29,600
Um my name is Christopher Swanson. I'm

3377
02:56:28,520 --> 02:56:30,800
principal architect at Swanson

3378
02:56:29,600 --> 02:56:31,440
Architects.

3379
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:33,280
Um

3380
02:56:31,440 --> 02:56:36,280
we're currently designing a large swath

3381
02:56:33,280 --> 02:56:38,360
of rebuild projects on the uh Las Tunas

3382
02:56:36,280 --> 02:56:40,040
beach area and I'm here to speak about

3383
02:56:38,360 --> 02:56:41,200
the overhead utility lines that are

3384
02:56:40,040 --> 02:56:43,440
still up.

3385
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:45,760
Um our understanding is uh that the high

3386
02:56:43,440 --> 02:56:49,360
voltage line from Edison has been

3387
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:50,680
undergrounded. However, um

3388
02:56:49,360 --> 02:56:53,000
we do not understand that there's any

3389
02:56:50,680 --> 02:56:54,680
active plan in place to underground all

3390
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:56,480
the five low voltage lines that are

3391
02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:58,640
still floating in the air.

3392
02:56:56,480 --> 02:57:00,720
Um I think every homeowner that we have

3393
02:56:58,640 --> 02:57:02,600
spoken to and every community community

3394
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:04,240
member that we're aware of and have

3395
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:06,360
spoken with has strongly supports the

3396
02:57:04,240 --> 02:57:07,880
undergrounding of these lines. Uh this

3397
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:09,240
is not just a design issue. It's about

3398
02:57:07,880 --> 02:57:11,200
safety, resilience, and preserving the

3399
02:57:09,240 --> 02:57:12,082
natural beauty of Malibu.

3400
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:12,240
Um

3401
02:57:12,082 --> 02:57:13,480
» [clears throat]

3402
02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:15,280
» We have this

3403
02:57:13,480 --> 02:57:18,160
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity with all

3404
02:57:15,280 --> 02:57:19,360
this uh work in the city to beautify it,

3405
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:21,440
to put these lines underneath the

3406
02:57:19,360 --> 02:57:23,560
ground. The corridor is the main

3407
02:57:21,440 --> 02:57:25,360
entrance to Malibu where everyone sees

3408
02:57:23,560 --> 02:57:26,640
Malibu from Santa Monica and Los Angeles

3409
02:57:25,360 --> 02:57:27,800
and it creates the first impression of

3410
02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:29,640
the city.

3411
02:57:27,800 --> 02:57:31,640
And uh we can be a success to

3412
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:33,400
undergrounding at Carbon Beach.

3413
02:57:31,640 --> 02:57:34,720
Uh everyone sees how beautiful it is

3414
02:57:33,400 --> 02:57:36,160
when you come along that and all the

3415
02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:38,400
lines are neat the ground all of a

3416
02:57:36,160 --> 02:57:39,600
sudden like you can relax and breathe.

3417
02:57:38,400 --> 02:57:41,480
Of course it's Billionaire's Beach. We

3418
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:43,160
understand they could afford to do that.

3419
02:57:41,480 --> 02:57:45,680
Um the rest of the beach from there all

3420
02:57:43,160 --> 02:57:48,080
the way to Topanga uh

3421
02:57:45,680 --> 02:57:49,840
that needs to happen as well. So I would

3422
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:51,800
like to ask if there's a current plan to

3423
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:53,360
underground that we're not aware of cuz

3424
02:57:51,800 --> 02:57:54,600
we've been in contact with public works

3425
02:57:53,360 --> 02:57:57,640
and they're not aware of a plan that

3426
02:57:54,600 --> 02:57:59,960
would they've expressed to us. Um

3427
02:57:57,640 --> 02:58:01,560
if there is uh not a plan in place, we

3428
02:57:59,960 --> 02:58:03,520
urge the City Council to please help

3429
02:58:01,560 --> 02:58:05,480
support an initiative and action plan as

3430
02:58:03,520 --> 02:58:06,400
soon as possible. We understood that

3431
02:58:05,480 --> 02:58:08,080
these lines would have been

3432
02:58:06,400 --> 02:58:09,480
undergrounded by now and we thought we

3433
02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:11,400
heard that that was actually happening

3434
02:58:09,480 --> 02:58:13,680
but it hasn't. Uh with the scale of the

3435
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:15,320
rebuilding currently underway with 450

3436
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:16,800
beach homes that are homes that are

3437
02:58:15,320 --> 02:58:19,040
going to be rebuilt, it's critical

3438
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:20,880
opportunity now to make a lasting effort

3439
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:22,480
and improvement to beautify the city of

3440
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:24,560
Malibu. So, we appreciate your time and

3441
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:26,640
support, and thank you.

3442
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:30,160
» Thank you.

3443
02:58:26,640 --> 02:58:30,160
Three people on Zoom?

3444
02:58:32,800 --> 02:58:36,280
Is that correct?

3445
02:58:34,600 --> 02:58:37,920
» Two of the speakers who raised their

3446
02:58:36,280 --> 02:58:39,600
hands when the item was called have

3447
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:40,240
lowered their hands. We have one speaker

3448
02:58:39,600 --> 02:58:41,520
remaining.

3449
02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:42,840
» Who's left?

3450
02:58:41,520 --> 02:58:45,400
Thank you.

3451
02:58:42,840 --> 02:58:45,400
Lonnie.

3452
02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:03,280
» Hello. Can you hear me?

3453
02:59:00,920 --> 02:59:04,240
» We can, Lonnie. Go ahead.

3454
02:59:03,280 --> 02:59:05,440
» Can you hear me?

3455
02:59:04,240 --> 02:59:06,800
» Yes, Lonnie.

3456
02:59:05,440 --> 02:59:08,520
» Okay, good. Thank you. Thank you,

3457
02:59:06,800 --> 02:59:11,200
everyone. I wanted to make sure.

3458
02:59:08,520 --> 02:59:13,280
Um good evening, Council. Um my name is

3459
02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:14,760
Lonnie Gordon, and I'm the executive

3460
02:59:13,280 --> 02:59:15,880
director of Malibu for Safe

3461
02:59:14,760 --> 02:59:17,360
Telecommuting.

3462
02:59:15,880 --> 02:59:20,280
Um and I want to speak to you about

3463
02:59:17,360 --> 02:59:22,360
something that's very basic tonight, um

3464
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:24,720
that might have not have been explained

3465
02:59:22,360 --> 02:59:26,760
clearly to you or a lot of the people

3466
02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:29,400
who are in the audience.

3467
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:32,320
Um people have talked about the cell

3468
02:59:29,400 --> 02:59:34,320
sites tonight, these small cell sites,

3469
02:59:32,320 --> 02:59:36,880
5G cell sites,

3470
02:59:34,320 --> 02:59:38,600
and what they're actually for.

3471
02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:39,880
Others are here tonight to give input,

3472
02:59:38,600 --> 02:59:42,800
which you've already heard about the

3473
02:59:39,880 --> 02:59:45,400
process that's currently being disputed,

3474
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:47,840
but my speech is pretty simple.

3475
02:59:45,400 --> 02:59:51,120
Um most people hear 5G and assume it

3476
02:59:47,840 --> 02:59:54,440
means better phone service. That's not

3477
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:57,400
what And that's what the ads imply, more

3478
02:59:54,440 --> 03:00:00,040
bars, fewer dropped calls, but these

3479
02:59:57,400 --> 03:00:03,360
small cell sites are not being installed

3480
03:00:00,040 --> 03:00:04,680
to improve anyone's phone calls. Please

3481
03:00:03,360 --> 03:00:06,880
hear that.

3482
03:00:04,680 --> 03:00:08,520
They're not fixing coverage. They're not

3483
03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:10,440
helping us communicate during

3484
03:00:08,520 --> 03:00:12,720
emergencies.

3485
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:16,200
These sites are being installed for data

3486
03:00:12,720 --> 03:00:18,920
systems, not for voice service. They

3487
03:00:16,200 --> 03:00:21,600
support things like connected devices,

3488
03:00:18,920 --> 03:00:24,360
sensors, cameras, and the growing world

3489
03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:27,880
of automated data data-driven

3490
03:00:24,360 --> 03:00:29,880
technology. That's the purpose.

3491
03:00:27,880 --> 03:00:31,920
So, the question comes up for us is

3492
03:00:29,880 --> 03:00:35,440
simply, why do we need this type of

3493
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:37,720
equipment on small residential streets?

3494
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:40,360
Why do we need industrial-grade hardware

3495
03:00:37,720 --> 03:00:43,280
placed 20 to 30 ft from people's homes,

3496
03:00:40,360 --> 03:00:45,200
bedrooms, and property lines, especially

3497
03:00:43,280 --> 03:00:47,600
when it does not improve their ability

3498
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:49,640
to make a phone call?

3499
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:52,120
And this becomes even more concerning

3500
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:53,840
when we learn that four of these sites,

3501
03:00:52,120 --> 03:00:56,640
which you've heard tonight, have already

3502
03:00:53,840 --> 03:00:59,120
been activated without permission,

3503
03:00:56,640 --> 03:01:01,360
before the appeals have ever been heard,

3504
03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:03,480
and before the fire safety protocol was

3505
03:01:01,360 --> 03:01:05,800
completed.

3506
03:01:03,480 --> 03:01:08,480
Residents deserve to understand what

3507
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:11,720
these facilities actually do, as we all

3508
03:01:08,480 --> 03:01:13,600
do. And residents deserve to know that

3509
03:01:11,720 --> 03:01:15,440
these sites are not improving their

3510
03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:19,360
phone service.

3511
03:01:15,440 --> 03:01:21,240
And residents deserve to say a say in

3512
03:01:19,360 --> 03:01:23,880
whether this type of infrastructure

3513
03:01:21,240 --> 03:01:26,160
belongs in front of their homes.

3514
03:01:23,880 --> 03:01:27,880
That's it, plain and simple. Thank you,

3515
03:01:26,160 --> 03:01:29,120
guys. Good night.

3516
03:01:27,880 --> 03:01:29,560
» Thank you, Annie.

3517
03:01:29,120 --> 03:01:31,760
Hey.

3518
03:01:29,560 --> 03:01:33,280
» Mayor, one of the speakers we documented

3519
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:35,280
raising their hand at the appropriate

3520
03:01:33,280 --> 03:01:36,680
time has raised their hand again. Do you

3521
03:01:35,280 --> 03:01:37,560
want to hear their public comment? They

3522
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:38,280
may have had an issue with the

3523
03:01:37,560 --> 03:01:39,880
technology.

3524
03:01:38,280 --> 03:01:41,480
» Yeah, I I I if they had their hand up

3525
03:01:39,880 --> 03:01:42,680
before and they have their hand up now,

3526
03:01:41,480 --> 03:01:45,200
go ahead. What's your

3527
03:01:42,680 --> 03:01:45,200
» Ryan.

3528
03:01:47,080 --> 03:01:50,440
» Uh thank you. I did not lower my hand,

3529
03:01:49,200 --> 03:01:52,760
so there was a problem with the

3530
03:01:50,440 --> 03:01:54,840
software. Um I don't know about that

3531
03:01:52,760 --> 03:01:56,080
other speakers, who they were, but uh

3532
03:01:54,840 --> 03:01:57,000
that might have happened to them as

3533
03:01:56,080 --> 03:01:59,320
well.

3534
03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:01,360
Um I want to speak uh partly on the

3535
03:01:59,320 --> 03:02:03,360
telecom issue is that the uh

3536
03:02:01,360 --> 03:02:05,600
telecommunications commission needs to

3537
03:02:03,360 --> 03:02:08,080
be reactivated to handle these issues,

3538
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:11,000
because they're very technology

3539
03:02:08,080 --> 03:02:13,640
specific. Uh it's not particularly what

3540
03:02:11,000 --> 03:02:15,600
the public works commission does and as

3541
03:02:13,640 --> 03:02:17,640
in the city of Calabasas, they anoint

3542
03:02:15,600 --> 03:02:19,760
their commissioners with the

3543
03:02:17,640 --> 03:02:22,360
authority to make uh initial

3544
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:24,080
quasi-judicial determinations to comply

3545
03:02:22,360 --> 03:02:25,160
with the shot clock and so they beat the

3546
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:26,760
clock.

3547
03:02:25,160 --> 03:02:30,000
I think you should just copy their

3548
03:02:26,760 --> 03:02:31,720
ordinance and do the same thing.

3549
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:33,160
So, the second [clears throat] is one of

3550
03:02:31,720 --> 03:02:36,760
the appeals

3551
03:02:33,160 --> 03:02:38,360
um for 30145

3552
03:02:36,760 --> 03:02:42,000
Morning View

3553
03:02:38,360 --> 03:02:44,440
is a um step backwards. It's to take

3554
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:48,440
pole-mounted antenna,

3555
03:02:44,440 --> 03:02:51,080
remove it, and install a an antenna

3556
03:02:48,440 --> 03:02:54,440
uh like a bird on a wire uh a distance

3557
03:02:51,080 --> 03:02:57,400
away from the pole to transmit

3558
03:02:54,440 --> 03:03:00,320
sticking up from the uh stranded wire.

3559
03:02:57,400 --> 03:03:02,480
This is a conversion to a different type

3560
03:03:00,320 --> 03:03:04,520
of facility and it doesn't comply with

3561
03:03:02,480 --> 03:03:05,120
the 6409

3562
03:03:04,520 --> 03:03:08,240
um

3563
03:03:05,120 --> 03:03:10,440
a provisions of the federal uh act as I

3564
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:13,600
understand it because it is not a like

3565
03:03:10,440 --> 03:03:15,400
type facility. It exists, it was an

3566
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:16,680
operating facility,

3567
03:03:15,400 --> 03:03:18,840
but this is

3568
03:03:16,680 --> 03:03:21,200
uh first of all, it doesn't comply with

3569
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:24,480
the the hardening aspect, which is the

3570
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:26,480
goal after the Woolsey fire,

3571
03:03:24,480 --> 03:03:29,080
which you should be administering. None

3572
03:03:26,480 --> 03:03:30,880
of these uh 12 appeals incorporate

3573
03:03:29,080 --> 03:03:32,120
battery backup as a hardening measure,

3574
03:03:30,880 --> 03:03:34,560
by the way.

3575
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:36,720
We're not interfacing with our utility

3576
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:38,560
providers like we used to when we had a

3577
03:03:36,720 --> 03:03:40,640
telecommunications commission and we

3578
03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:42,160
were getting cooperation.

3579
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:46,000
So, I just want to put that in

3580
03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:48,120
perspective. Uh the other one, 29515

3581
03:03:46,000 --> 03:03:51,280
Rainsford Place, again a strand

3582
03:03:48,120 --> 03:03:53,400
mounting, dangling from a wire.

3583
03:03:51,280 --> 03:03:56,000
So, um that's not the way you harden

3584
03:03:53,400 --> 03:03:58,480
things. You harden them by burying the

3585
03:03:56,000 --> 03:04:00,360
radio equipment in the ground in a

3586
03:03:58,480 --> 03:04:02,560
concrete vault

3587
03:04:00,360 --> 03:04:05,240
so that it is not burned out with a

3588
03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:08,200
wildfire and has room for heavy battery

3589
03:04:05,240 --> 03:04:10,880
backup to run this facility so people

3590
03:04:08,200 --> 03:04:12,240
get their evacuation notices

3591
03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:14,320
to leave.

3592
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:17,240
Uh second, let's talk about public

3593
03:04:14,320 --> 03:04:19,280
safety. Um the issue on Las Flores is

3594
03:04:17,240 --> 03:04:21,280
you need a couple motorcycle officers

3595
03:04:19,280 --> 03:04:24,720
with radar guns. We bought four

3596
03:04:21,280 --> 03:04:26,440
state-of-the-art ones after uh

3597
03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:27,680
well, 2 years ago

3598
03:04:26,440 --> 03:04:29,520
and we'd already had four

3599
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:31,520
state-of-the-art ones, so then we had

3600
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:33,240
eight. Uh four of them kind of

3601
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:35,960
disappeared or walked away, but we got

3602
03:04:33,240 --> 03:04:38,200
them back again and so we have plenty of

3603
03:04:35,960 --> 03:04:40,240
these, plus the sheriff they the CHP has

3604
03:04:38,200 --> 03:04:42,280
them built into their vehicles. So we

3605
03:04:40,240 --> 03:04:44,360
need to do some radar speed enforcement

3606
03:04:42,280 --> 03:04:46,160
and fix that road problem

3607
03:04:44,360 --> 03:04:48,960
uh and not burden public works with

3608
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:49,680
additional projects on that road. Thank

3609
03:04:48,960 --> 03:04:51,320
you.

3610
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:53,120
» Thank you, Ryan. Did the other person

3611
03:04:51,320 --> 03:04:54,520
raise their hand again or not?

3612
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:56,240
» No, we checked for their name and they

3613
03:04:54,520 --> 03:04:58,160
appear to have left the meeting.

3614
03:04:56,240 --> 03:05:00,160
» Okay.

3615
03:04:58,160 --> 03:05:01,520
Okay, that concludes public comment.

3616
03:05:00,160 --> 03:05:03,680
Brings it up here. I'm going to actually

3617
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:05,520
go first for a change.

3618
03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:07,680
Um just to get out of the way first of

3619
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:09,880
all, what have I been doing? Um

3620
03:05:07,680 --> 03:05:12,360
the one major thing was Doug and I as

3621
03:05:09,880 --> 03:05:14,400
the A&F subcommittee um spent a lot of

3622
03:05:12,360 --> 03:05:17,360
time preparing for the meeting at which

3623
03:05:14,400 --> 03:05:20,480
we made recommendations of grants from

3624
03:05:17,360 --> 03:05:21,840
the general fund. Um many hours of work

3625
03:05:20,480 --> 03:05:23,480
went into getting ready for that

3626
03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:25,560
meeting. The meeting I think was three

3627
03:05:23,480 --> 03:05:27,440
three and a half hours long. We heard

3628
03:05:25,560 --> 03:05:28,800
from many applicants and made

3629
03:05:27,440 --> 03:05:30,080
recommendations that the city council

3630
03:05:28,800 --> 03:05:31,840
will be hearing

3631
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:35,200
in the next few weeks.

3632
03:05:31,840 --> 03:05:37,840
Um so two big issues tonight obviously

3633
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:40,000
from the residents. And and thank you

3634
03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:42,400
all for bringing these to our attention

3635
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:44,480
and and speaking and um for the brigade

3636
03:05:42,400 --> 03:05:46,600
folks, I I I I know there's litigation.

3637
03:05:44,480 --> 03:05:48,840
I haven't read the complaint, but um

3638
03:05:46,600 --> 03:05:51,200
you've got a safe forum here. Everything

3639
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:54,000
you say in a public city council meeting

3640
03:05:51,200 --> 03:05:56,120
is um statutorily privileged and cannot

3641
03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:57,360
be used against you in a legal

3642
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:59,600
proceeding.

3643
03:05:57,360 --> 03:06:00,840
Uh so um by all means, if you've got

3644
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:01,880
further things that you need to share

3645
03:06:00,840 --> 03:06:03,680
with us,

3646
03:06:01,880 --> 03:06:05,400
come do it here where you can do so

3647
03:06:03,680 --> 03:06:07,080
safely.

3648
03:06:05,400 --> 03:06:08,760
Um

3649
03:06:07,080 --> 03:06:10,000
I know very One thing that wasn't

3650
03:06:08,760 --> 03:06:11,920
mentioned tonight, I know I know very

3651
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:13,200
little about this and I I I guess I like

3652
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:13,960
a copy of the complaint from somebody if

3653
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:16,120
they

3654
03:06:13,960 --> 03:06:17,760
provide it to me. Um I understand one

3655
03:06:16,120 --> 03:06:20,360
thing that's being challenged is the use

3656
03:06:17,760 --> 03:06:21,800
of the name and if that's an issue, um

3657
03:06:20,360 --> 03:06:23,840
you guys you know, it would seem to me

3658
03:06:21,800 --> 03:06:25,160
that you could very easily overcome

3659
03:06:23,840 --> 03:06:29,240
that.

3660
03:06:25,160 --> 03:06:31,400
Um funding, I think that we having

3661
03:06:29,240 --> 03:06:34,960
contributed a substantial sum need to

3662
03:06:31,400 --> 03:06:37,960
understand better what's going on and um

3663
03:06:34,960 --> 03:06:40,720
what if any assistance we can provide to

3664
03:06:37,960 --> 03:06:41,960
um making it right.

3665
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:44,280
And so, what I'm going to suggest is

3666
03:06:41,960 --> 03:06:45,720
that we bring back the consideration of

3667
03:06:44,280 --> 03:06:48,200
whether we want to create an ad hoc

3668
03:06:45,720 --> 03:06:50,240
committee to look into this and um

3669
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:52,400
decide whether to recommend to the city

3670
03:06:50,240 --> 03:06:54,560
council that we provide some assistance

3671
03:06:52,400 --> 03:06:57,440
or facilitation.

3672
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:58,520
Um and I don't have a ton of time, but

3673
03:06:57,440 --> 03:07:00,440
I'll say, you know, as an attorney, I'm

3674
03:06:58,520 --> 03:07:02,760
happy if somebody wants to just bounce

3675
03:07:00,440 --> 03:07:04,160
some ideas, I'm happy to look at your at

3676
03:07:02,760 --> 03:07:07,560
what's going on.

3677
03:07:04,160 --> 03:07:09,680
And um you know, subject to not being um

3678
03:07:07,560 --> 03:07:12,480
capable of being sued for malpractice,

3679
03:07:09,680 --> 03:07:14,560
happy to provide you my input um because

3680
03:07:12,480 --> 03:07:16,280
you guys are important. Um I will

3681
03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:18,200
mention just on a on a personal note, I

3682
03:07:16,280 --> 03:07:20,920
mean, I do I I appreciate everything you

3683
03:07:18,200 --> 03:07:22,280
guys did with my home. Um you saved it

3684
03:07:20,920 --> 03:07:24,600
from being burned down to the ground.

3685
03:07:22,280 --> 03:07:25,920
Unfortunately, the way fair plan works,

3686
03:07:24,600 --> 03:07:27,680
I wish you had let it burn to the

3687
03:07:25,920 --> 03:07:28,800
ground.

3688
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:29,920
Um

3689
03:07:28,800 --> 03:07:31,640
but that that's an issue for the

3690
03:07:29,920 --> 03:07:33,240
insurance commissioner and and and the

3691
03:07:31,640 --> 03:07:37,240
legislature.

3692
03:07:33,240 --> 03:07:40,880
Um with respect to the um small cell

3693
03:07:37,240 --> 03:07:43,720
sites, I am going to ask that the we get

3694
03:07:40,880 --> 03:07:45,880
a consensus if we have one to bring back

3695
03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:49,400
an urgency ordinance at the next meeting

3696
03:07:45,880 --> 03:07:51,520
before we go on break for a month um to

3697
03:07:49,400 --> 03:07:53,080
create this moratorium. At least, you

3698
03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:55,080
know, to consider whether to adopt an

3699
03:07:53,080 --> 03:07:56,800
urgency ordinance and have it there so

3700
03:07:55,080 --> 03:07:58,960
that we can adopt it if we if the

3701
03:07:56,800 --> 03:08:01,040
decision is made to do so.

3702
03:07:58,960 --> 03:08:03,560
Um and I I want to thank all of the

3703
03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:05,120
speakers. Tiffany called me

3704
03:08:03,560 --> 03:08:07,840
um to find out what could be done about

3705
03:08:05,120 --> 03:08:09,040
this. I said, "Organize folks to come

3706
03:08:07,840 --> 03:08:10,840
talk at City Council. It's the most

3707
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:13,120
effective way to get something done."

3708
03:08:10,840 --> 03:08:15,080
It's uh you know, and not to pass the

3709
03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:17,280
buck, but it's it's a lot easier for me

3710
03:08:15,080 --> 03:08:19,520
and for all of us to hear to have

3711
03:08:17,280 --> 03:08:21,400
something brought up at City Council

3712
03:08:19,520 --> 03:08:22,760
meeting and and advocated than it is for

3713
03:08:21,400 --> 03:08:24,280
us to put it together in the first

3714
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:25,360
instance. So,

3715
03:08:24,280 --> 03:08:27,400
amazing that you put it together. I

3716
03:08:25,360 --> 03:08:30,160
think that was 2 days ago we spoke. So,

3717
03:08:27,400 --> 03:08:32,440
way to go. Um so, but I would like to

3718
03:08:30,160 --> 03:08:33,800
ask if we have a consensus to bring back

3719
03:08:32,440 --> 03:08:35,400
the consideration of an urgency

3720
03:08:33,800 --> 03:08:37,680
ordinance with an ordinance that if we

3721
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:38,920
decided we wanted to adopt it, would be

3722
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:42,320
there.

3723
03:08:38,920 --> 03:08:43,720
And I'd also like to get um a consensus

3724
03:08:42,320 --> 03:08:46,680
whether or not we have an urgency

3725
03:08:43,720 --> 03:08:49,320
ordinance to get on our docket sooner

3726
03:08:46,680 --> 03:08:51,360
than later the residential ordinance

3727
03:08:49,320 --> 03:08:55,440
because that was something that we were

3728
03:08:51,360 --> 03:08:57,760
working on during COVID, pre-fire.

3729
03:08:55,440 --> 03:09:00,840
Um it fell through the cracks. It never

3730
03:08:57,760 --> 03:09:02,880
should have. Um it's helpful to hear now

3731
03:09:00,840 --> 03:09:05,680
that there are other jurisdictions that

3732
03:09:02,880 --> 03:09:07,400
have adopted residential um ordinances.

3733
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:10,840
I know one issue that was troubling for

3734
03:09:07,400 --> 03:09:13,400
the City Council years ago was not um

3735
03:09:10,840 --> 03:09:15,800
wanting not wanting to be the test case

3736
03:09:13,400 --> 03:09:18,800
or you know, leading the way, but now if

3737
03:09:15,800 --> 03:09:20,640
there are others that we could simply um

3738
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:22,560
replicate what they've done, that's

3739
03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:24,560
something worth considering. So, I would

3740
03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:26,320
like to see us have a consensus to bring

3741
03:09:24,560 --> 03:09:27,840
that back. And then have some comments I

3742
03:09:26,320 --> 03:09:30,360
want to make about the appeal process,

3743
03:09:27,840 --> 03:09:32,760
but can we get a consensus on bringing

3744
03:09:30,360 --> 03:09:34,520
back an item at the next meeting um by

3745
03:09:32,760 --> 03:09:36,800
considering whether to adopt an urgency

3746
03:09:34,520 --> 03:09:38,360
ordinance creating a moratorium?

3747
03:09:36,800 --> 03:09:41,160
» Uh well, I've got it on my list to to

3748
03:09:38,360 --> 03:09:42,320
talk about here as well. Uh it was my

3749
03:09:41,160 --> 03:09:44,560
understanding we had the toughest

3750
03:09:42,320 --> 03:09:47,560
ordinance supposedly in the United

3751
03:09:44,560 --> 03:09:49,680
States. And yet, what's troubling first

3752
03:09:47,560 --> 03:09:52,320
off is I'm hearing people say we're not

3753
03:09:49,680 --> 03:09:54,560
following it. Which is a

3754
03:09:52,320 --> 03:09:56,640
That's a huge concern to me. It's It's

3755
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:57,880
one thing to decide what the ordinances

3756
03:09:56,640 --> 03:10:00,200
are, but if we don't

3757
03:09:57,880 --> 03:10:01,960
operate under them, they do us no good.

3758
03:10:00,200 --> 03:10:04,320
So, I'd like to maybe put this in two

3759
03:10:01,960 --> 03:10:07,040
steps. And one is to get a report back

3760
03:10:04,320 --> 03:10:08,680
from the city manager as to where we are

3761
03:10:07,040 --> 03:10:11,160
on this. If we've got complaints that

3762
03:10:08,680 --> 03:10:13,640
aren't being followed up on, appeals,

3763
03:10:11,160 --> 03:10:15,480
then that's a concern. And I see Yolanda

3764
03:10:13,640 --> 03:10:17,440
is almost ready to spring into action.

3765
03:10:15,480 --> 03:10:18,760
» Can can we take this in order cuz I I

3766
03:10:17,440 --> 03:10:20,320
I'm not done with my comments, and I do

3767
03:10:18,760 --> 03:10:21,720
want to talk about the appeal process.

3768
03:10:20,320 --> 03:10:23,920
But the first thing I'd like to do is

3769
03:10:21,720 --> 03:10:26,040
just find out if we have a consensus to

3770
03:10:23,920 --> 03:10:26,960
bring back an urgency ordinance

3771
03:10:26,040 --> 03:10:28,360
consideration.

3772
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:30,280
» I'd like to make it two parts. One would

3773
03:10:28,360 --> 03:10:32,280
be that we get a report from the city

3774
03:10:30,280 --> 03:10:35,040
manager about where our ordinance is in

3775
03:10:32,280 --> 03:10:35,600
operation right now, and then recommend

3776
03:10:35,040 --> 03:10:37,640
a

3777
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:38,800
bring it back for consultation as to

3778
03:10:37,640 --> 03:10:40,200
what we could do about it.

3779
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:41,680
» Okay. Well, sounds like you're not

3780
03:10:40,200 --> 03:10:43,680
supporting bringing it back at the next

3781
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:43,880
meeting, and my concern is

3782
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:45,200
» Supporting

3783
03:10:43,880 --> 03:10:46,880
» Oh, okay. Just two things at the meeting

3784
03:10:45,200 --> 03:10:48,080
rather than one. All right. That's fine.

3785
03:10:46,880 --> 03:10:49,560
I'll take that as an amendment to the

3786
03:10:48,080 --> 03:10:50,520
consensus.

3787
03:10:49,560 --> 03:10:51,960
Um

3788
03:10:50,520 --> 03:10:52,080
Let's go down the line. See if there's

3789
03:10:51,960 --> 03:10:54,880
any

3790
03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:57,000
» I'm in favor of I would like to learn

3791
03:10:54,880 --> 03:10:58,720
more about this whole appeal. Who's

3792
03:10:57,000 --> 03:11:00,760
doing that? Is that staff? Or do we have

3793
03:10:58,720 --> 03:11:02,760
a appeals officer? I have a lot of

3794
03:11:00,760 --> 03:11:05,240
questions. So, I think we bring it back

3795
03:11:02,760 --> 03:11:07,880
and talk about solutions. I wasn't a

3796
03:11:05,240 --> 03:11:10,000
part of the whatever you guys did in

3797
03:11:07,880 --> 03:11:10,720
COVID, so it'd be good for me to know

3798
03:11:10,000 --> 03:11:12,440
about this.

3799
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:15,440
» Just to be clear, that includes bringing

3800
03:11:12,440 --> 03:11:17,080
back a draft ordinance that if we decide

3801
03:11:15,440 --> 03:11:18,720
it's appropriate to adopt it on an

3802
03:11:17,080 --> 03:11:20,000
urgency basis, it would be here and we

3803
03:11:18,720 --> 03:11:21,720
could have it. We won't have to say,

3804
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:22,800
"Oh, that'll wait until mid-July or

3805
03:11:21,720 --> 03:11:23,920
August."

3806
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:24,920
» Yeah. Steve?

3807
03:11:23,920 --> 03:11:27,800
» Let's do that.

3808
03:11:24,920 --> 03:11:28,760
» Yes. Maryanne?

3809
03:11:27,800 --> 03:11:30,720
» 100%.

3810
03:11:28,760 --> 03:11:31,600
» Okay. So, you have direction for that

3811
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:33,440
for the next meeting.

3812
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:34,080
» What kind of moratorium are we talking

3813
03:11:33,440 --> 03:11:36,960
about?

3814
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:39,200
» Small cell sites until such time as we

3815
03:11:36,960 --> 03:11:41,000
can figure out whether we want to permit

3816
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:43,480
them or not permit them in residential

3817
03:11:41,000 --> 03:11:43,480
areas.

3818
03:11:44,480 --> 03:11:47,160
» Staff can bring that back. I think there

3819
03:11:45,480 --> 03:11:48,240
are issues with federal preemption that

3820
03:11:47,160 --> 03:11:49,560
have to be dealt with, but that'll be

3821
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:50,360
part of the report.

3822
03:11:49,560 --> 03:11:52,680
» Okay.

3823
03:11:50,360 --> 03:11:54,520
But but we we what we're asking for is a

3824
03:11:52,680 --> 03:11:56,000
draft ordinance that if the council

3825
03:11:54,520 --> 03:11:59,040
determines it's appropriate and

3826
03:11:56,000 --> 03:12:00,840
important to to uh on an emergency basis

3827
03:11:59,040 --> 03:12:02,480
to adopt it, it'll be here and we won't

3828
03:12:00,840 --> 03:12:05,560
have to wait another month while these

3829
03:12:02,480 --> 03:12:08,000
continue to be installed to get that.

3830
03:12:05,560 --> 03:12:09,960
The second issue was um we I I would

3831
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:12,240
like to get a consensus whether or not

3832
03:12:09,960 --> 03:12:14,680
we adopt an urgency ordinance to

3833
03:12:12,240 --> 03:12:16,680
relatively soon, you know, let's say no

3834
03:12:14,680 --> 03:12:18,680
later than the beginning of August,

3835
03:12:16,680 --> 03:12:21,280
bring back the actual residential

3836
03:12:18,680 --> 03:12:23,960
ordinance for consideration. And we

3837
03:12:21,280 --> 03:12:27,040
could use Mill Valley, Petaluma, and Los

3838
03:12:23,960 --> 03:12:29,040
Altos as possible springboards to start

3839
03:12:27,040 --> 03:12:30,640
with.

3840
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,600
» Can we make that all part of the same I

3841
03:12:30,640 --> 03:12:33,080
mean it

3842
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:35,000
I'm expecting a report from the city

3843
03:12:33,080 --> 03:12:36,680
manager's office

3844
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:38,440
that ought to include where our

3845
03:12:36,680 --> 03:12:40,720
ordinance sits. I mean they what we

3846
03:12:38,440 --> 03:12:42,240
talked about about a year ago, it was

3847
03:12:40,720 --> 03:12:43,960
actually

3848
03:12:42,240 --> 03:12:45,400
those those other places we had a tough

3849
03:12:43,960 --> 03:12:47,400
ordinance than they had, but let's do a

3850
03:12:45,400 --> 03:12:48,880
comparison.

3851
03:12:47,400 --> 03:12:50,640
» Yeah, I'm I'm not sure that we do. I

3852
03:12:48,880 --> 03:12:53,040
mean I I think what happened was, if I

3853
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:55,840
remember correctly, um we adopted a

3854
03:12:53,040 --> 03:12:57,600
residential ordinance quickly, um then

3855
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:59,400
we did the

3856
03:12:57,600 --> 03:13:01,200
the the broader one and we were supposed

3857
03:12:59,400 --> 03:13:02,920
to come back and work on the residential

3858
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:05,400
one more, but we never did. It never

3859
03:13:02,920 --> 03:13:07,120
came back.

3860
03:13:05,400 --> 03:13:09,120
So, what I'm asking is, separate and

3861
03:13:07,120 --> 03:13:12,880
apart from whatever we do at the next

3862
03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:14,800
meeting, we get on a future, not too not

3863
03:13:12,880 --> 03:13:17,200
too distant city council meeting, the

3864
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:18,520
question of whether the residential

3865
03:13:17,200 --> 03:13:19,840
whether Do we even have a residential

3866
03:13:18,520 --> 03:13:21,920
ordinance?

3867
03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:23,400
Is it Is it an issue of our residential

3868
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:24,840
ordinance the residents want to be

3869
03:13:23,400 --> 03:13:27,720
tougher, or is it an issue of we don't

3870
03:13:24,840 --> 03:13:27,720
even have one?

3871
03:13:27,960 --> 03:13:36,120
» We do have one, and we have been um

3872
03:13:32,000 --> 03:13:39,840
following the ordinance. We receive uh

3873
03:13:36,120 --> 03:13:42,920
20 applications for existing wireless

3874
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:47,520
that they needed to do an upgrade.

3875
03:13:42,920 --> 03:13:50,000
Out of those 20, 12 of them were appeal.

3876
03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:52,160
And so, for clarification on the prior

3877
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:54,800
item that um

3878
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:57,400
Mayor you brought to our attention.

3879
03:13:54,800 --> 03:13:58,840
The um

3880
03:13:57,400 --> 03:14:02,080
the urgency ordinance that you're

3881
03:13:58,840 --> 03:14:06,280
proposing is even for upgrades of

3882
03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:09,920
existing um poles and systems?

3883
03:14:06,280 --> 03:14:09,920
Just one clarification from you.

3884
03:14:09,960 --> 03:14:13,600
» I'm sorry.

3885
03:14:10,520 --> 03:14:13,600
» On moratorium.

3886
03:14:13,720 --> 03:14:17,840
So, we are So, we can prepare the uh

3887
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:18,680
urgency ordinance in accordance to your

3888
03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:21,800
direction.

3889
03:14:18,680 --> 03:14:24,080
» What I What I'm going to suggest is that

3890
03:14:21,800 --> 03:14:26,920
the staff or city manager's office work

3891
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:29,040
with the Malibu for Safe Tech and find

3892
03:14:26,920 --> 03:14:31,360
out what it is they're asking for by way

3893
03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:34,160
of a moratorium so that that can then be

3894
03:14:31,360 --> 03:14:35,720
presented to us for consideration.

3895
03:14:34,160 --> 03:14:37,440
I think they understand the technology

3896
03:14:35,720 --> 03:14:39,480
way better than I could try to pretend

3897
03:14:37,440 --> 03:14:41,120
to understand it sitting here.

3898
03:14:39,480 --> 03:14:44,000
» What I What I understand that to be is a

3899
03:14:41,120 --> 03:14:45,520
small small cell, but we'll we'll reach

3900
03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:46,480
out if that's the

3901
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:48,760
will of the council.

3902
03:14:46,480 --> 03:14:50,880
» And my understanding I I only know this

3903
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:55,040
second hand or third hand, but that some

3904
03:14:50,880 --> 03:14:57,160
of the um supposed upgrades were were

3905
03:14:55,040 --> 03:14:59,560
to non-existent things that could be

3906
03:14:57,160 --> 03:15:01,040
upgraded is one of the issues.

3907
03:14:59,560 --> 03:15:03,680
Um so, we're going to want to understand

3908
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:05,040
that more. Um but let let's just finish

3909
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:07,240
out this and then I want to finish up my

3910
03:15:05,040 --> 03:15:08,840
comment. So, do we have support for

3911
03:15:07,240 --> 03:15:11,560
without regard to the moratorium

3912
03:15:08,840 --> 03:15:15,440
bringing back a consideration of

3913
03:15:11,560 --> 03:15:16,840
toughening our residential ordinance?

3914
03:15:15,440 --> 03:15:18,760
» I'm in favor of taking a look at

3915
03:15:16,840 --> 03:15:20,600
toughening it up if we can. But I do

3916
03:15:18,760 --> 03:15:22,680
think uh Trevor's correct. We do have to

3917
03:15:20,600 --> 03:15:24,120
work within the federal I I absolutely

3918
03:15:22,680 --> 03:15:25,480
» No one's suggesting that we violate

3919
03:15:24,120 --> 03:15:26,840
federal law.

3920
03:15:25,480 --> 03:15:27,480
Ellen?

3921
03:15:26,840 --> 03:15:28,560
» Yes.

3922
03:15:27,480 --> 03:15:29,040
» Steve?

3923
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:31,200
» Yeah, actually

3924
03:15:29,040 --> 03:15:32,760
» I mean, do Do we have We've been dealing

3925
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:34,800
with this for a long time. I've I mean,

3926
03:15:32,760 --> 03:15:36,800
I've heard these people have come before

3927
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:38,880
I don't know how many times complaining

3928
03:15:36,800 --> 03:15:40,960
about these cell towers. Do we have the

3929
03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:42,440
expertise

3930
03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:44,360
that we need to make sure we're making

3931
03:15:42,440 --> 03:15:46,040
the right decision? Because I don't know

3932
03:15:44,360 --> 03:15:48,880
enough about this to be

3933
03:15:46,040 --> 03:15:52,200
» We've got We've got lawyers at BBK who

3934
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:54,200
are expert in this area, and the Malibu

3935
03:15:52,200 --> 03:15:57,760
for Safe Tech has an has a lawyer who

3936
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:59,960
also is superiorly expert and superior

3937
03:15:57,760 --> 03:16:02,080
to BBK, but superiorly expert in this

3938
03:15:59,960 --> 03:16:02,560
area. And I think between them we can

3939
03:16:02,080 --> 03:16:04,000
hear the

3940
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:05,320
» Just make sure we're getting good I

3941
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:07,240
mean, the stuff coming back to us is

3942
03:16:05,320 --> 03:16:10,240
something that if we approve it, it will

3943
03:16:07,240 --> 03:16:11,760
work because we've been

3944
03:16:10,240 --> 03:16:12,960
I mean, they keep complaining and we

3945
03:16:11,760 --> 03:16:14,440
have we keep talking about it, but we're

3946
03:16:12,960 --> 03:16:16,040
not doing anything. So.

3947
03:16:14,440 --> 03:16:18,480
» Yeah. Mary, are you okay with bringing

3948
03:16:16,040 --> 03:16:20,720
back an item to consider

3949
03:16:18,480 --> 03:16:22,400
um to put in greater teeth into our

3950
03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:24,360
residential ordinance?

3951
03:16:22,400 --> 03:16:25,960
» I am, and I just I want to make sure we

3952
03:16:24,360 --> 03:16:27,800
have a right-of-way and we have a

3953
03:16:25,960 --> 03:16:29,000
residential, so there's two different

3954
03:16:27,800 --> 03:16:30,040
components to it.

3955
03:16:29,000 --> 03:16:31,360
» I don't think we're talking about the

3956
03:16:30,040 --> 03:16:32,360
right-of-way.

3957
03:16:31,360 --> 03:16:33,480
» Okay.

3958
03:16:32,360 --> 03:16:34,400
Perfect.

3959
03:16:33,480 --> 03:16:36,280
» Okay.

3960
03:16:34,400 --> 03:16:38,640
Now, I would like to understand this

3961
03:16:36,280 --> 03:16:43,080
appeal issue a little better. Um

3962
03:16:38,640 --> 03:16:43,080
who to whom does an appeal go?

3963
03:16:44,240 --> 03:16:47,880
» There's an independent hearing officer

3964
03:16:45,480 --> 03:16:49,360
that hears hears the appeals of the uh

3965
03:16:47,880 --> 03:16:50,560
the current appeals of the types of

3966
03:16:49,360 --> 03:16:51,800
projects that were appealed.

3967
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:53,280
» Okay, so it doesn't involve the planning

3968
03:16:51,800 --> 03:16:53,800
commission or the city council.

3969
03:16:53,280 --> 03:16:56,600
» Correct.

3970
03:16:53,800 --> 03:16:58,480
» And um is there a stay of the order

3971
03:16:56,600 --> 03:16:59,640
that's under appeal like there is when

3972
03:16:58,480 --> 03:17:01,760
the planning commission approves

3973
03:16:59,640 --> 03:17:03,200
something, or does it just go forward

3974
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:05,000
until it's stopped?

3975
03:17:03,200 --> 03:17:06,840
» The permit isn't final until the final

3976
03:17:05,000 --> 03:17:08,080
decision, so it should not construction

3977
03:17:06,840 --> 03:17:08,400
should not be starting

3978
03:17:08,080 --> 03:17:10,800
» Okay.

3979
03:17:08,400 --> 03:17:12,040
» Until the uh permit has actually

3980
03:17:10,800 --> 03:17:13,120
uh reached finality and there's been a

3981
03:17:12,040 --> 03:17:16,080
resolution of the appeal.

3982
03:17:13,120 --> 03:17:18,240
» Hold on, Doc. Okay, so um so what are we

3983
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:19,480
doing about these

3984
03:17:18,240 --> 03:17:22,320
um

3985
03:17:19,480 --> 03:17:24,040
facilities that are being constructed or

3986
03:17:22,320 --> 03:17:25,480
whatever the proper terminology is

3987
03:17:24,040 --> 03:17:27,200
despite the fact that there's an appeal

3988
03:17:25,480 --> 03:17:28,400
pending.

3989
03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:28,720
» I think it was brought to the attention

3990
03:17:28,400 --> 03:17:30,840
of

3991
03:17:28,720 --> 03:17:33,240
» We had issue uh code enforcement uh

3992
03:17:30,840 --> 03:17:36,800
cases uh for those properties. Uh we are

3993
03:17:33,240 --> 03:17:37,880
also sent uh have sent a letter to the

3994
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:39,360
those facilities.

3995
03:17:37,880 --> 03:17:40,320
» Okay, so there's also been stop work

3996
03:17:39,360 --> 03:17:40,480
orders issued as well.

3997
03:17:40,320 --> 03:17:41,480
» Yes.

3998
03:17:40,480 --> 03:17:44,080
» Yeah, I'm going to suggest that you know

3999
03:17:41,480 --> 03:17:45,480
this is not one-offs by a resident who

4000
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:47,080
doesn't understand what they're doing.

4001
03:17:45,480 --> 03:17:48,320
These are big boys and they ought to

4002
03:17:47,080 --> 03:17:49,680
know what they're doing and what they're

4003
03:17:48,320 --> 03:17:52,240
allowed to do and not allowed to do. And

4004
03:17:49,680 --> 03:17:54,600
this is this is egregiously offensive to

4005
03:17:52,240 --> 03:17:56,720
me. If what they're doing is despite the

4006
03:17:54,600 --> 03:17:58,560
pending of an appeal which which

4007
03:17:56,720 --> 03:18:00,360
prevents their permit from becoming

4008
03:17:58,560 --> 03:18:03,160
effective, they are going ahead and

4009
03:18:00,360 --> 03:18:04,480
exercising self-help. That's insanity

4010
03:18:03,160 --> 03:18:06,520
that we're allowed that I mean I

4011
03:18:04,480 --> 03:18:08,080
understand we're doing certain things we

4012
03:18:06,520 --> 03:18:09,680
can do, but if we need to go to court to

4013
03:18:08,080 --> 03:18:11,480
get an injunction against this kind of

4014
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:12,840
activity, I think that's something that

4015
03:18:11,480 --> 03:18:17,520
the city needs to start looking into

4016
03:18:12,840 --> 03:18:17,520
doing because it this is unacceptable.

4017
03:18:17,600 --> 03:18:22,120
Um so those are my comments.

4018
03:18:20,760 --> 03:18:23,080
Um Doug.

4019
03:18:22,120 --> 03:18:24,520
» Yep.

4020
03:18:23,080 --> 03:18:26,600
» Uh just a quick follow-up. Is there a

4021
03:18:24,520 --> 03:18:29,080
shot clock on this appeal process? I

4022
03:18:26,600 --> 03:18:30,160
thought that's one of the issues.

4023
03:18:29,080 --> 03:18:32,680
Are we

4024
03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:34,720
and I'm like Bruce. I'm very concerned

4025
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:36,800
that if we've got uh either appeal

4026
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:38,760
process or any part of the ordinance

4027
03:18:36,800 --> 03:18:41,200
that we're not following up on, but if

4028
03:18:38,760 --> 03:18:42,280
we're not enforcing it that worries me

4029
03:18:41,200 --> 03:18:44,600
as well.

4030
03:18:42,280 --> 03:18:46,040
So is there a shot clock?

4031
03:18:44,600 --> 03:18:47,960
» There are shot clocks attached. I would

4032
03:18:46,040 --> 03:18:49,240
I would

4033
03:18:47,960 --> 03:18:51,240
I would suggest not discussing the

4034
03:18:49,240 --> 03:18:52,720
merits of the pending appeals. The shot

4035
03:18:51,240 --> 03:18:54,800
clocks are part of the the issues I

4036
03:18:52,720 --> 03:18:56,400
think that are in the appeals.

4037
03:18:54,800 --> 03:18:58,320
» Yeah. Just wanted to bring it up. You've

4038
03:18:56,400 --> 03:19:00,400
answered my question. Thank you.

4039
03:18:58,320 --> 03:19:01,760
All right. Um

4040
03:19:00,400 --> 03:19:03,200
we talked about the wireless ordinance.

4041
03:19:01,760 --> 03:19:05,160
That was my second item I wanted to talk

4042
03:19:03,200 --> 03:19:06,520
about. Um

4043
03:19:05,160 --> 03:19:09,200
let me say this.

4044
03:19:06,520 --> 03:19:11,920
I'm one of the many fathers of what is

4045
03:19:09,200 --> 03:19:12,960
the brigade. There are many of us, many

4046
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:15,480
of us.

4047
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:17,200
It goes back to as Keegan mentioned the

4048
03:19:15,480 --> 03:19:19,200
fire fund following that came out of a

4049
03:19:17,200 --> 03:19:22,080
report that was actually done by

4050
03:19:19,200 --> 03:19:24,240
Brentwood's organization that talked

4051
03:19:22,080 --> 03:19:27,000
about fire fund following.

4052
03:19:24,240 --> 03:19:29,760
And when we got the right fire chief,

4053
03:19:27,000 --> 03:19:31,840
Chief Moroni, and Richard Smith,

4054
03:19:29,760 --> 03:19:34,040
we got the brigade. And we changed the

4055
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:36,360
name got changed because of the optics

4056
03:19:34,040 --> 03:19:37,880
to the community brigade.

4057
03:19:36,360 --> 03:19:39,840
And

4058
03:19:37,880 --> 03:19:42,720
it's the right system, the right

4059
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:45,160
process, and it's a force multiplier.

4060
03:19:42,720 --> 03:19:47,920
And I will tell you that many of us are

4061
03:19:45,160 --> 03:19:49,840
working on a resolution to this law

4062
03:19:47,920 --> 03:19:51,080
lawsuit issue. There are many of us

4063
03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:53,720
doing it.

4064
03:19:51,080 --> 03:19:53,720
And

4065
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:57,000
if you look at federal courts, and this

4066
03:19:55,360 --> 03:19:59,440
is a trademark issue, is the reason why

4067
03:19:57,000 --> 03:20:01,440
they're in federal court,

4068
03:19:59,440 --> 03:20:03,520
they all end up in settlements. Nobody's

4069
03:20:01,440 --> 03:20:05,120
Nobody's going to go to trial on this.

4070
03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:07,720
So, what we're trying to do is to get

4071
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:09,440
this resolved a lot quicker than waiting

4072
03:20:07,720 --> 03:20:12,320
for it to settle out.

4073
03:20:09,440 --> 03:20:14,800
So, just be aware that there's

4074
03:20:12,320 --> 03:20:15,840
things going on. I'm glad you guys are

4075
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:18,200
here.

4076
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:20,400
Uh you speak up well for your uh

4077
03:20:18,200 --> 03:20:21,560
dedication and the volunteerism of

4078
03:20:20,400 --> 03:20:23,080
Malibu.

4079
03:20:21,560 --> 03:20:25,840
I know when I was the mayor and we had

4080
03:20:23,080 --> 03:20:28,280
the fires, I kept telling people Malibu

4081
03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:30,560
is a town of volunteers. Whether it's

4082
03:20:28,280 --> 03:20:33,520
the CERT team, the arson watch, the

4083
03:20:30,560 --> 03:20:35,440
VOPs, the brigades,

4084
03:20:33,520 --> 03:20:37,200
Boys and Girls Club, you name it. We've

4085
03:20:35,440 --> 03:20:38,880
got volunteers all over this town, and

4086
03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:41,280
that's what makes it special.

4087
03:20:38,880 --> 03:20:43,160
And our brigade is probably the most

4088
03:20:41,280 --> 03:20:46,240
visible at this very moment because

4089
03:20:43,160 --> 03:20:48,240
we're in fire season in May.

4090
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:50,760
I don't remember that in my 26 years

4091
03:20:48,240 --> 03:20:52,040
I've lived here. So, we've got We've got

4092
03:20:50,760 --> 03:20:54,240
to deal with this and get it dealt with

4093
03:20:52,040 --> 03:20:56,120
as quickly as we can. And all I can tell

4094
03:20:54,240 --> 03:20:58,720
you is there's a lot of hands trying to

4095
03:20:56,120 --> 03:21:00,600
trying to lend a hand, okay?

4096
03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:02,440
Um

4097
03:21:00,600 --> 03:21:04,040
next thing I want to talk about, and

4098
03:21:02,440 --> 03:21:05,320
I'll be quick on on my rest of my

4099
03:21:04,040 --> 03:21:09,640
comments,

4100
03:21:05,320 --> 03:21:12,720
we have Penn and Teller with us tonight.

4101
03:21:09,640 --> 03:21:16,080
Mary Ann and Halen made the

4102
03:21:12,720 --> 03:21:16,960
made the offensive tower disappear It's

4103
03:21:16,080 --> 03:21:18,960
and

4104
03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:20,320
in downtown Melbourne. So my

4105
03:21:18,960 --> 03:21:21,840
congratulations to you.

4106
03:21:20,320 --> 03:21:23,640
» I was like, "What are you talking

4107
03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:24,200
about?"

4108
03:21:23,640 --> 03:21:25,360
» It

4109
03:21:24,200 --> 03:21:27,080
» I don't know which is which.

4110
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:28,360
» It it it I don't know which one's Pam

4111
03:21:27,080 --> 03:21:30,129
and which one's Helen.

4112
03:21:28,360 --> 03:21:31,720
» Obviously

4113
03:21:30,129 --> 03:21:33,400
» [laughter]

4114
03:21:31,720 --> 03:21:34,800
» And they they were the most reluctant

4115
03:21:33,400 --> 03:21:36,520
two people in the world when somebody

4116
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:38,520
said, "Well, you got to pick the color."

4117
03:21:36,520 --> 03:21:40,240
And it was like, "Oh." Everyone of us

4118
03:21:38,520 --> 03:21:42,760
started looking around like, "Not me."

4119
03:21:40,240 --> 03:21:45,194
And they took it on and

4120
03:21:42,760 --> 03:21:45,800
as my wife said, "Where'd it go?"

4121
03:21:45,194 --> 03:21:48,080
» [laughter]

4122
03:21:45,800 --> 03:21:49,640
» So, congratulations on that.

4123
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:51,680
Um

4124
03:21:49,640 --> 03:21:53,920
I also want to mention on the ANF

4125
03:21:51,680 --> 03:21:56,400
project for the grants. This is really

4126
03:21:53,920 --> 03:21:58,000
tough. We had $150,000

4127
03:21:56,400 --> 03:22:01,800
to divvy up and I think there was like

4128
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:03,480
700 over $700,000 in requests.

4129
03:22:01,800 --> 03:22:05,240
And

4130
03:22:03,480 --> 03:22:06,680
for the first time in the four years now

4131
03:22:05,240 --> 03:22:09,080
that I've done this and I think Bruce

4132
03:22:06,680 --> 03:22:10,480
has done it equally number of the maybe

4133
03:22:09,080 --> 03:22:12,040
more.

4134
03:22:10,480 --> 03:22:14,240
We actually had a room full of of

4135
03:22:12,040 --> 03:22:15,960
applicants. They got a chance to hear

4136
03:22:14,240 --> 03:22:18,480
each other's story.

4137
03:22:15,960 --> 03:22:20,560
And hear why it was so critical to get

4138
03:22:18,480 --> 03:22:22,120
the money that they got.

4139
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:24,040
And

4140
03:22:22,120 --> 03:22:25,760
it raised the bar

4141
03:22:24,040 --> 03:22:27,520
because what we were really telling them

4142
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:29,120
is, "All right, there's $5,000 for

4143
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:30,440
this." And they see how impactful it

4144
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:32,320
was.

4145
03:22:30,440 --> 03:22:34,040
Every person that got money and even the

4146
03:22:32,320 --> 03:22:36,680
ones that didn't get what they wanted or

4147
03:22:34,040 --> 03:22:39,800
didn't get anything at all realized

4148
03:22:36,680 --> 03:22:41,880
what's expected of those donations. So,

4149
03:22:39,800 --> 03:22:43,640
our our thanks to everybody that asked

4150
03:22:41,880 --> 03:22:46,360
for the money and our appreciation to

4151
03:22:43,640 --> 03:22:47,880
those that use it wisely. And go back to

4152
03:22:46,360 --> 03:22:50,960
times past.

4153
03:22:47,880 --> 03:22:51,840
We put $100,000 in the prior two years

4154
03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:54,400
in the

4155
03:22:51,840 --> 03:22:56,400
in for two years to the brigade. And it

4156
03:22:54,400 --> 03:22:57,920
was meant to be the seed money to help

4157
03:22:56,400 --> 03:23:00,440
get you guys started.

4158
03:22:57,920 --> 03:23:02,880
So, for that reason, as I said, many

4159
03:23:00,440 --> 03:23:04,720
fathers and many of us have been helping

4160
03:23:02,880 --> 03:23:06,520
as much as we can.

4161
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:08,720
Last thing I want to mention

4162
03:23:06,520 --> 03:23:09,800
uh casing process.

4163
03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:11,280
Um

4164
03:23:09,800 --> 03:23:13,920
those of us that have been in management

4165
03:23:11,280 --> 03:23:16,680
organizations for a long time have heard

4166
03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:17,840
this with a variety of names. It all

4167
03:23:16,680 --> 03:23:19,320
many of you probably didn't even know

4168
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:20,680
what it what the city manager was

4169
03:23:19,320 --> 03:23:22,200
talking about.

4170
03:23:20,680 --> 03:23:23,360
But you've heard it in different names

4171
03:23:22,200 --> 03:23:25,360
uh

4172
03:23:23,360 --> 03:23:27,640
continuous improvement process,

4173
03:23:25,360 --> 03:23:30,160
participatory management. What it

4174
03:23:27,640 --> 03:23:33,000
amounts to is a bottom-up

4175
03:23:30,160 --> 03:23:35,000
top-down hands-on

4176
03:23:33,000 --> 03:23:36,320
cut the elephant into small pieces and

4177
03:23:35,000 --> 03:23:39,640
make it better.

4178
03:23:36,320 --> 03:23:41,280
And it is a sign of a true mature and

4179
03:23:39,640 --> 03:23:42,680
well-run organization when they

4180
03:23:41,280 --> 03:23:44,520
implement something like this. And my

4181
03:23:42,680 --> 03:23:47,640
hats off to the city manager for doing

4182
03:23:44,520 --> 03:23:50,320
it. It's a nice improvement and uh

4183
03:23:47,640 --> 03:23:52,600
I applaud you and full support. So with

4184
03:23:50,320 --> 03:23:53,920
that, that's the end of my comments. Uh

4185
03:23:52,600 --> 03:23:55,240
Mayor, call on somebody else.

4186
03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:56,240
» Thank you, Doug. Who wants to go next?

4187
03:23:55,240 --> 03:23:58,560
» I will.

4188
03:23:56,240 --> 03:24:00,800
Thank you. Um all right. I think we've

4189
03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:02,400
said a lot about the 5G. I really have

4190
03:24:00,800 --> 03:24:04,480
to understand more. I took a call with

4191
03:24:02,400 --> 03:24:06,400
Lonnie Gordon and that still wasn't

4192
03:24:04,480 --> 03:24:07,480
enough. So I'm excited to have that come

4193
03:24:06,400 --> 03:24:10,200
back.

4194
03:24:07,480 --> 03:24:11,800
Um I have been really wanting to discuss

4195
03:24:10,200 --> 03:24:14,440
this at the dais. I'd like council

4196
03:24:11,800 --> 03:24:17,600
consensus to remove Brent Woodward from

4197
03:24:14,440 --> 03:24:18,800
the ex officio um position.

4198
03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:20,440
I don't know how or

4199
03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:22,400
» We can't do that now, but you can ask

4200
03:24:20,440 --> 03:24:22,680
for a consensus to bring it back as a

4201
03:24:22,400 --> 03:24:24,120
proposal.

4202
03:24:22,680 --> 03:24:24,160
» Could we bring this back, please?

4203
03:24:24,120 --> 03:24:25,240
» Second.

4204
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:27,520
» Thank you.

4205
03:24:25,240 --> 03:24:28,760
Okay. Got direction on that.

4206
03:24:27,520 --> 03:24:30,680
» Anybody oppose that? I think we're

4207
03:24:28,760 --> 03:24:32,680
probably unanimously in agreement. Bring

4208
03:24:30,680 --> 03:24:33,760
that back next meeting.

4209
03:24:32,680 --> 03:24:36,240
» Thank you.

4210
03:24:33,760 --> 03:24:37,640
Um yes.

4211
03:24:36,240 --> 03:24:41,200
What's going on with the brigades is

4212
03:24:37,640 --> 03:24:41,200
pretty awful. Um

4213
03:24:41,840 --> 03:24:45,360
you know, I think

4214
03:24:43,360 --> 03:24:48,680
what they represent to me at least is

4215
03:24:45,360 --> 03:24:51,280
community volunteerism at its best.

4216
03:24:48,680 --> 03:24:53,600
Everybody up here said it really well.

4217
03:24:51,280 --> 03:24:54,720
Um

4218
03:24:53,600 --> 03:24:57,040
I think

4219
03:24:54,720 --> 03:24:58,880
you know, we'll just

4220
03:24:57,040 --> 03:25:00,160
take it as it comes and one step at a

4221
03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:02,120
time

4222
03:25:00,160 --> 03:25:04,640
because uh

4223
03:25:02,120 --> 03:25:07,240
I believe that this community needs it.

4224
03:25:04,640 --> 03:25:09,640
Um I feel safer here with it. I want you

4225
03:25:07,240 --> 03:25:12,440
guys show you people showing up to my

4226
03:25:09,640 --> 03:25:14,720
house or to help me with my animals. I

4227
03:25:12,440 --> 03:25:18,120
know you, you know me. Our kids play

4228
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:21,400
soccer together. Like it's is a very

4229
03:25:18,120 --> 03:25:24,440
important It's very important to me that

4230
03:25:21,400 --> 03:25:26,440
you guys are I mean, his daughter's best

4231
03:25:24,440 --> 03:25:28,720
friends with my daughter right over

4232
03:25:26,440 --> 03:25:32,000
there. This is this is what it's about.

4233
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:33,200
So, I surf with that guy, next to that

4234
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:37,200
guy.

4235
03:25:33,200 --> 03:25:40,120
Um anyway, I would um

4236
03:25:37,200 --> 03:25:42,400
like to learn more about the 5G appeals

4237
03:25:40,120 --> 03:25:45,440
and this hearing officer that we have

4238
03:25:42,400 --> 03:25:48,440
because I'm wondering how the a hearing

4239
03:25:45,440 --> 03:25:50,680
officer works cuz I see how the Mobile

4240
03:25:48,440 --> 03:25:51,920
Home Park Commission kind of conducts

4241
03:25:50,680 --> 03:25:53,040
itself.

4242
03:25:51,920 --> 03:25:55,640
And

4243
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:57,240
yeah, Steve's face says it all.

4244
03:25:55,640 --> 03:26:00,560
Um and I'm just wondering if that's an

4245
03:25:57,240 --> 03:26:01,880
option to also like do a hybrid or

4246
03:26:00,560 --> 03:26:04,320
hearings

4247
03:26:01,880 --> 03:26:06,200
um officer for the Mobile Home Parks

4248
03:26:04,320 --> 03:26:08,480
because there's appeals that come up and

4249
03:26:06,200 --> 03:26:09,960
then you can use this person as it comes

4250
03:26:08,480 --> 03:26:11,480
versus

4251
03:26:09,960 --> 03:26:12,680
you know,

4252
03:26:11,480 --> 03:26:14,960
anyway, that's something that we can

4253
03:26:12,680 --> 03:26:17,080
think about. I'm not looking for

4254
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:20,640
much on that. I would like to know why

4255
03:26:17,080 --> 03:26:22,280
the HRL palm trees are still

4256
03:26:20,640 --> 03:26:24,480
an issue.

4257
03:26:22,280 --> 03:26:26,680
When we have Does anybody know? Cuz this

4258
03:26:24,480 --> 03:26:29,240
comes up every other meeting the palm

4259
03:26:26,680 --> 03:26:31,040
trees aren't HRLs. They're not? Not the

4260
03:26:29,240 --> 03:26:32,160
ones across the street. Are they

4261
03:26:31,040 --> 03:26:33,080
actually on

4262
03:26:32,160 --> 03:26:33,520
school property?

4263
03:26:33,080 --> 03:26:34,200
» Yeah.

4264
03:26:33,520 --> 03:26:34,480
» Pepperdine?

4265
03:26:34,200 --> 03:26:35,120
» No.

4266
03:26:34,480 --> 03:26:37,680
» No.

4267
03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:39,600
» School Santa Monica Malibu Unified.

4268
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:41,040
» Okay, not the county, so it's a

4269
03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:43,560
district.

4270
03:26:41,040 --> 03:26:48,360
Okay, that's good to know. Thank you. Uh

4271
03:26:43,560 --> 03:26:48,360
hey, appeals, brigade.

4272
03:26:48,760 --> 03:26:54,160
Do we know how the fire started, Sandy?

4273
03:26:52,080 --> 03:26:56,920
Even going back to Kenneth.

4274
03:26:54,160 --> 03:26:59,640
We don't. It's kind of hard to

4275
03:26:56,920 --> 03:27:02,600
Yeah, I heard that um there was a snake

4276
03:26:59,640 --> 03:27:06,040
a bird dropped a snake on a power line.

4277
03:27:02,600 --> 03:27:08,600
I swear, I promise that was told to me.

4278
03:27:06,040 --> 03:27:12,280
I don't remember.

4279
03:27:08,600 --> 03:27:14,720
But, that was how

4280
03:27:12,280 --> 03:27:18,200
dog ate the homework. It would be so

4281
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:20,560
great to know how these fires start. Um

4282
03:27:18,200 --> 03:27:23,320
I really wanted to thank our city

4283
03:27:20,560 --> 03:27:25,520
manager and our staff. They helped pick

4284
03:27:23,320 --> 03:27:27,360
out the pole color and we walked through

4285
03:27:25,520 --> 03:27:29,040
it together and Mary Anne and I were

4286
03:27:27,360 --> 03:27:31,360
like, which one? And they're all

4287
03:27:29,040 --> 03:27:34,200
basically the same version. So, that was

4288
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:35,880
a very much team effort and the Kaizen

4289
03:27:34,200 --> 03:27:38,360
that you put together, I do feel like

4290
03:27:35,880 --> 03:27:40,880
it's a this is what leadership is

4291
03:27:38,360 --> 03:27:43,200
supposed to look like in a city is

4292
03:27:40,880 --> 03:27:45,680
exercises like that.

4293
03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:46,760
I'm excited for Malibu's future.

4294
03:27:45,680 --> 03:27:48,800
And

4295
03:27:46,760 --> 03:27:48,800
um

4296
03:27:48,840 --> 03:27:53,080
that's it, really. I want to keep the

4297
03:27:50,560 --> 03:27:54,400
movie going, right?

4298
03:27:53,080 --> 03:27:57,280
Oh, I watched the ANF meeting. I thought

4299
03:27:54,400 --> 03:27:59,440
it was really good. And ooh,

4300
03:27:57,280 --> 03:28:01,169
I mean, I didn't

4301
03:27:59,440 --> 03:28:02,160
That's it for me.

4302
03:28:01,169 --> 03:28:03,280
» [snorts]

4303
03:28:02,160 --> 03:28:04,480
» Okay, Steve and Mary Anne, you would

4304
03:28:03,280 --> 03:28:06,120
like to come up.

4305
03:28:04,480 --> 03:28:08,280
» Real quick, I just want to reiterate

4306
03:28:06,120 --> 03:28:11,080
what city management mentioned earlier.

4307
03:28:08,280 --> 03:28:13,720
Tomo- uh tomorrow morning 10:00 Charmlee

4308
03:28:11,080 --> 03:28:15,720
Park is a uh

4309
03:28:13,720 --> 03:28:17,400
naming of the nature center for Walton

4310
03:28:15,720 --> 03:28:19,160
and Lucille Keller. Walt Keller was the

4311
03:28:17,400 --> 03:28:20,400
mayor of Malibu's first mayor. Lucille

4312
03:28:19,160 --> 03:28:22,480
had been right behind him the whole

4313
03:28:20,400 --> 03:28:24,880
time. This is an important thing for

4314
03:28:22,480 --> 03:28:26,560
those folks. I think that this this is

4315
03:28:24,880 --> 03:28:28,000
long overdue. So, if you can make it up

4316
03:28:26,560 --> 03:28:29,440
there, please do.

4317
03:28:28,000 --> 03:28:31,200
Uh I want to congratulate the tower. I

4318
03:28:29,440 --> 03:28:33,600
live up on the knolls and I look down on

4319
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:35,160
that tower and it is gone. I mean, you

4320
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:36,520
did a hell of a job. So, thank you very

4321
03:28:35,160 --> 03:28:38,560
much on that one.

4322
03:28:36,520 --> 03:28:39,600
Uh

4323
03:28:38,560 --> 03:28:41,680
I

4324
03:28:39,600 --> 03:28:44,240
I I drove by, you know, the Wine Shop

4325
03:28:41,680 --> 03:28:47,160
property. It sits on the corner of PC

4326
03:28:44,240 --> 03:28:49,720
Malibu Canyon and PCH. It looks like the

4327
03:28:47,160 --> 03:28:51,080
people that were using that are gone.

4328
03:28:49,720 --> 03:28:52,240
Now, I don't know that for certain, but

4329
03:28:51,080 --> 03:28:54,560
it appears that there was nobody up

4330
03:28:52,240 --> 03:28:56,240
there the other day when I drove by. It

4331
03:28:54,560 --> 03:28:58,880
was lit up last night, but I don't know

4332
03:28:56,240 --> 03:29:00,240
if that's just a remnant. So, just keep

4333
03:28:58,880 --> 03:29:01,680
your eyes on that because remember what

4334
03:29:00,240 --> 03:29:03,000
they're supposed to do is replace

4335
03:29:01,680 --> 03:29:04,840
replace

4336
03:29:03,000 --> 03:29:06,920
put it back to what it was when they

4337
03:29:04,840 --> 03:29:08,600
started and you know, based upon what

4338
03:29:06,920 --> 03:29:10,760
we've seen from SEC, they're not real

4339
03:29:08,600 --> 03:29:12,200
anxious to do that. All right, so just

4340
03:29:10,760 --> 03:29:14,720
keep that on your radar screen so we

4341
03:29:12,200 --> 03:29:16,200
don't you get lost in that one. And then

4342
03:29:14,720 --> 03:29:17,640
the other thing and this is just an

4343
03:29:16,200 --> 03:29:19,920
article I was reading the other day.

4344
03:29:17,640 --> 03:29:22,080
Apparently, somebody has got a

4345
03:29:19,920 --> 03:29:24,000
desalination program that they they're

4346
03:29:22,080 --> 03:29:25,480
testing that they're going to put in off

4347
03:29:24,000 --> 03:29:27,360
the coast of Malibu. And this thing's

4348
03:29:25,480 --> 03:29:29,240
pretty neat because you know, the prior

4349
03:29:27,360 --> 03:29:30,360
ones require energy and a whole bunch of

4350
03:29:29,240 --> 03:29:32,320
stuff and they leave a lot of solid

4351
03:29:30,360 --> 03:29:34,720
residue. Apparently, this one goes down

4352
03:29:32,320 --> 03:29:37,080
deep. It is the the

4353
03:29:34,720 --> 03:29:39,520
force of the water the ocean pushes the

4354
03:29:37,080 --> 03:29:41,800
salt water through the desalination

4355
03:29:39,520 --> 03:29:43,520
thing, cleans up the salt. No

4356
03:29:41,800 --> 03:29:45,560
electricity is needed and apparently,

4357
03:29:43,520 --> 03:29:47,280
it's we're going to see if it works.

4358
03:29:45,560 --> 03:29:49,160
I mean, it's an interesting process if

4359
03:29:47,280 --> 03:29:52,680
it does. So, we just should keep our

4360
03:29:49,160 --> 03:29:53,960
eyes on. There I am, back to you.

4361
03:29:52,680 --> 03:29:56,960
» Okay.

4362
03:29:53,960 --> 03:29:59,520
So, I attended the county water plan,

4363
03:29:56,960 --> 03:30:01,160
but I didn't hear anything about that

4364
03:29:59,520 --> 03:30:02,920
project.

4365
03:30:01,160 --> 03:30:05,680
But other things

4366
03:30:02,920 --> 03:30:07,960
that they county and the state and many

4367
03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:10,960
others around the

4368
03:30:07,960 --> 03:30:15,480
the area are doing to ensure that we do

4369
03:30:10,960 --> 03:30:18,360
have water for residents and proper use

4370
03:30:15,480 --> 03:30:20,120
of water and identifying sources. A lot

4371
03:30:18,360 --> 03:30:22,760
about recycling water is going on right

4372
03:30:20,120 --> 03:30:25,280
now. So, some interesting things

4373
03:30:22,760 --> 03:30:28,600
happening with that. I attended the

4374
03:30:25,280 --> 03:30:30,480
Clean Power Alliance board meeting and

4375
03:30:28,600 --> 03:30:34,160
just everybody remember we've got almost

4376
03:30:30,480 --> 03:30:36,800
100% participation in 100% green for our

4377
03:30:34,160 --> 03:30:38,280
clean energy. So, look for that on your

4378
03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:41,800
bills.

4379
03:30:38,280 --> 03:30:43,280
And graduation is this week.

4380
03:30:41,800 --> 03:30:45,680
I have it on my calendar for high school

4381
03:30:43,280 --> 03:30:48,240
graduation on Wednesday and middle

4382
03:30:45,680 --> 03:30:50,760
school promotion on Thursday. So, if you

4383
03:30:48,240 --> 03:30:53,280
want to see some fun, head on over to

4384
03:30:50,760 --> 03:30:55,440
the high school. It's up on the the main

4385
03:30:53,280 --> 03:30:57,120
field and it's always great to see all

4386
03:30:55,440 --> 03:30:59,120
the kids

4387
03:30:57,120 --> 03:31:01,560
with their energy and the excitement

4388
03:30:59,120 --> 03:31:03,280
that they've got for completing their

4389
03:31:01,560 --> 03:31:05,440
education.

4390
03:31:03,280 --> 03:31:06,840
And then the big thing, I think before

4391
03:31:05,440 --> 03:31:09,360
our next meeting we're also going to be

4392
03:31:06,840 --> 03:31:11,720
having the ribbon cutting on June 20th

4393
03:31:09,360 --> 03:31:13,120
for the skate park. So if you haven't

4394
03:31:11,720 --> 03:31:15,160
already got that on your calendar,

4395
03:31:13,120 --> 03:31:17,760
that's going to be an exciting thing to

4396
03:31:15,160 --> 03:31:20,800
celebrate our permanent skate park.

4397
03:31:17,760 --> 03:31:22,640
So come on out to that Bluff Park at

4398
03:31:20,800 --> 03:31:24,520
12:30 I believe.

4399
03:31:22,640 --> 03:31:25,960
And the biggest thing for the region

4400
03:31:24,520 --> 03:31:28,280
that we've got going on, the World Cup

4401
03:31:25,960 --> 03:31:30,240
starts on Friday. So whoever your team

4402
03:31:28,280 --> 03:31:33,880
is or you're going to go out and and

4403
03:31:30,240 --> 03:31:38,480
support, hopefully USA. But

4404
03:31:33,880 --> 03:31:40,360
there you have to ride transit to get to

4405
03:31:38,480 --> 03:31:43,080
what they've rebranded Sofi as Los

4406
03:31:40,360 --> 03:31:44,880
Angeles Stadium. So

4407
03:31:43,080 --> 03:31:46,400
transit lines are supposed to open up 3

4408
03:31:44,880 --> 03:31:49,400
hours before the games. There's a

4409
03:31:46,400 --> 03:31:52,760
variety of hubs around the region

4410
03:31:49,400 --> 03:31:55,960
that you have to ride. First game like I

4411
03:31:52,760 --> 03:31:58,480
said was Friday and if you can't make it

4412
03:31:55,960 --> 03:32:01,360
to

4413
03:31:58,480 --> 03:32:02,520
the game, there are a lot of community

4414
03:32:01,360 --> 03:32:04,520
areas.

4415
03:32:02,520 --> 03:32:06,760
Koreatown's got some celebrations,

4416
03:32:04,520 --> 03:32:08,880
Farmers Market's got some. You know,

4417
03:32:06,760 --> 03:32:11,440
there's some things going on Hollywood

4418
03:32:08,880 --> 03:32:13,400
Highland and some other things. So

4419
03:32:11,440 --> 03:32:16,240
root on all your favorite teams for the

4420
03:32:13,400 --> 03:32:18,040
World Cup and let's have a great summer.

4421
03:32:16,240 --> 03:32:20,280
Thanks.

4422
03:32:18,040 --> 03:32:22,200
» Okay, one last thing.

4423
03:32:20,280 --> 03:32:23,600
I didn't say this before to the the

4424
03:32:22,200 --> 03:32:26,280
Brigade folks or whatever you're going

4425
03:32:23,600 --> 03:32:29,240
to call yourselves going forward. If if

4426
03:32:26,280 --> 03:32:31,560
you need some funding to go forward in

4427
03:32:29,240 --> 03:32:33,600
the near term, I can't speak for the

4428
03:32:31,560 --> 03:32:36,000
whole council but you know, let us know

4429
03:32:33,600 --> 03:32:37,920
what it is you you need or looking for

4430
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:40,000
offline and and come back and make a

4431
03:32:37,920 --> 03:32:41,120
presentation for that and maybe there'll

4432
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:42,640
be some funding.

4433
03:32:41,120 --> 03:32:44,320
» I heard that they were looking for a

4434
03:32:42,640 --> 03:32:46,480
council letter.

4435
03:32:44,320 --> 03:32:47,600
Like that was the second ask. I wasn't

4436
03:32:46,480 --> 03:32:49,520
sure if

4437
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:51,400
That did. That's right. Well, I actually

4438
03:32:49,520 --> 03:32:52,640
I didn't ask I asked I said that I would

4439
03:32:51,400 --> 03:32:54,200
like to get a consensus but I never

4440
03:32:52,640 --> 03:32:56,320
followed up on it for an ad hoc

4441
03:32:54,200 --> 03:32:58,040
committee to report back to the council

4442
03:32:56,320 --> 03:32:59,720
on what if anything we can do to be of

4443
03:32:58,040 --> 03:33:01,360
assistance. Is there some support for

4444
03:32:59,720 --> 03:33:02,840
that? To bring it back an item to

4445
03:33:01,360 --> 03:33:03,720
whether to create that?

4446
03:33:02,840 --> 03:33:05,080
» Yeah, that's fine.

4447
03:33:03,720 --> 03:33:06,520
» Yeah, I agree.

4448
03:33:05,080 --> 03:33:08,120
» I agree. Hopefully we've got it fixed

4449
03:33:06,520 --> 03:33:09,080
before then but let's let's do it. I

4450
03:33:08,120 --> 03:33:11,280
mean that's

4451
03:33:09,080 --> 03:33:12,960
an easy item to have on the

4452
03:33:11,280 --> 03:33:14,480
on the agenda to discuss whether to have

4453
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:15,680
an ad hoc and to create one if we agree

4454
03:33:14,480 --> 03:33:18,480
to.

4455
03:33:15,680 --> 03:33:19,800
Okay. Let's take a recess.

4456
03:33:18,480 --> 03:33:21,640
» Mayor, if I may sorry sorry to

4457
03:33:19,800 --> 03:33:24,400
interrupt. Just want to really quick

4458
03:33:21,640 --> 03:33:24,400
with the um

4459
03:33:24,600 --> 03:33:27,440
draft ordinance ordinance for a

4460
03:33:26,120 --> 03:33:28,680
moratorium.

4461
03:33:27,440 --> 03:33:30,040
We're going to work to bring that the

4462
03:33:28,680 --> 03:33:32,560
next meeting.

4463
03:33:30,040 --> 03:33:34,560
And then regarding the second the

4464
03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:37,320
consensus you gathered from the council

4465
03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:39,080
on the residential ordinance.

4466
03:33:37,320 --> 03:33:40,960
Um that's something that'll trail a

4467
03:33:39,080 --> 03:33:42,480
little behind as it was discussed but

4468
03:33:40,960 --> 03:33:44,040
» As I said August or so.

4469
03:33:42,480 --> 03:33:45,680
» Okay. And what we will do with that

4470
03:33:44,040 --> 03:33:47,920
first touch with the council is talk

4471
03:33:45,680 --> 03:33:49,320
about a schedule or if there's need for

4472
03:33:47,920 --> 03:33:49,960
more time but we'll get it going by

4473
03:33:49,320 --> 03:33:50,360
then.

4474
03:33:49,960 --> 03:33:52,880
» Okay.

4475
03:33:50,360 --> 03:33:53,680
» Okay. Thank you. All right, let's take a

4476
03:33:52,880 --> 03:33:56,480
um

4477
03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:56,480
10-minute recess.

4478
03:36:39,760 --> 03:36:41,920
» Mhm.

4479
03:42:24,760 --> 03:42:26,920
» Mhm.

4480
03:49:07,680 --> 03:49:11,360
» If everyone could return to the dais or

4481
03:49:09,720 --> 03:49:14,000
the chambers, the meeting will resume

4482
03:49:11,360 --> 03:49:14,000
shortly.

4483
03:52:02,185 --> 03:52:04,204
» [laughter]

4484
03:52:04,400 --> 03:52:08,735
» Who is Dana?

4485
03:52:06,280 --> 03:52:10,755
I'm going to ask.

4486
03:52:08,735 --> 03:52:10,755
» [laughter]

4487
03:52:19,520 --> 03:52:23,440
» Okay, we're we're coming back in

4488
03:52:20,840 --> 03:52:23,440
session.

4489
03:52:23,960 --> 03:52:28,120
If you want to keep talking, please go

4490
03:52:25,360 --> 03:52:28,120
out in the hallway.

4491
03:52:32,480 --> 03:52:33,760
Okay, we're

4492
03:52:32,880 --> 03:52:35,520
» Or no.

4493
03:52:33,760 --> 03:52:38,240
» We are back in session. We're at item

4494
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:40,160
5A.

4495
03:52:38,240 --> 03:52:42,080
Collection of fees for implementation of

4496
03:52:40,160 --> 03:52:44,400
the California Integrated Waste

4497
03:52:42,080 --> 03:52:46,520
Management Act within the Malibu Garbage

4498
03:52:44,400 --> 03:52:47,640
Disposal District.

4499
03:52:46,520 --> 03:52:49,280
Um

4500
03:52:47,640 --> 03:52:52,280
if you are on Zoom and you would like to

4501
03:52:49,280 --> 03:52:55,280
speak, please raise your hand. I have

4502
03:52:52,280 --> 03:52:56,840
one speaker slip. If anybody else wants

4503
03:52:55,280 --> 03:52:58,760
to speak on this item, get your slip in

4504
03:52:56,840 --> 03:53:02,680
now.

4505
03:52:58,760 --> 03:53:02,680
And could we please have a staff report?

4506
03:53:04,200 --> 03:53:07,440
» Good evening, Mayor Silverstein,

4507
03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:09,760
honorable council members. The

4508
03:53:07,440 --> 03:53:11,880
resolution before you

4509
03:53:09,760 --> 03:53:13,920
Thank you. The resolution before you is

4510
03:53:11,880 --> 03:53:15,120
resolution number 2628 for the

4511
03:53:13,920 --> 03:53:16,720
collection of fees for the

4512
03:53:15,120 --> 03:53:18,200
implementation of the California

4513
03:53:16,720 --> 03:53:20,080
Integrated Waste Management Act within

4514
03:53:18,200 --> 03:53:21,800
the Malibu Garbage Disposal District.

4515
03:53:20,080 --> 03:53:24,320
This is an item brought to City Council

4516
03:53:21,800 --> 03:53:24,320
annually.

4517
03:53:24,680 --> 03:53:28,440
The city of Malibu is divided into two

4518
03:53:26,520 --> 03:53:30,720
distinct service areas for disposal

4519
03:53:28,440 --> 03:53:32,400
service. Of these two areas is a Malibu

4520
03:53:30,720 --> 03:53:34,240
Garbage Disposal District, which

4521
03:53:32,400 --> 03:53:36,320
provides services to the eastern half of

4522
03:53:34,240 --> 03:53:38,880
Malibu from the eastern city limit near

4523
03:53:36,320 --> 03:53:41,240
Topanga Beach Drive, and then to John

4524
03:53:38,880 --> 03:53:43,440
Tyler Drive and all of Malibu Road.

4525
03:53:41,240 --> 03:53:45,360
The district is established in 1949 and

4526
03:53:43,440 --> 03:53:47,480
has been under a contract managed by the

4527
03:53:45,360 --> 03:53:49,560
County of Los Angeles. Universal Waste

4528
03:53:47,480 --> 03:53:53,040
Systems, also known as UWS, is the

4529
03:53:49,560 --> 03:53:53,040
current contracted waste hauler.

4530
03:53:53,080 --> 03:53:56,960
On the screen is LA County's map of the

4531
03:53:54,960 --> 03:53:58,880
Malibu garbage disposal district. For

4532
03:53:56,960 --> 03:54:01,080
ease of reference, I've added this red

4533
03:53:58,880 --> 03:54:03,400
outline just to show the city's

4534
03:54:01,080 --> 03:54:05,280
jurisdictional boundaries in relation to

4535
03:54:03,400 --> 03:54:06,400
the district itself, which is outlined

4536
03:54:05,280 --> 03:54:07,680
in blue.

4537
03:54:06,400 --> 03:54:09,080
The bits of pink you might see are

4538
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:11,600
supervisor

4539
03:54:09,080 --> 03:54:13,080
supervisorial district 3, and this map

4540
03:54:11,600 --> 03:54:15,600
is also available on the county's

4541
03:54:13,080 --> 03:54:15,600
website.

4542
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:21,600
In response to AB 939, the city council

4543
03:54:19,920 --> 03:54:23,360
approved a policy for the reduction and

4544
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:26,440
diversion of solid waste from local

4545
03:54:23,360 --> 03:54:29,320
landfills. In 1993, council adopted

4546
03:54:26,440 --> 03:54:31,200
resolution number 93169 establishing a

4547
03:54:29,320 --> 03:54:32,640
fee structure that would be collected to

4548
03:54:31,200 --> 03:54:34,280
fund Malibu's waste reduction and

4549
03:54:32,640 --> 03:54:36,920
recycling program.

4550
03:54:34,280 --> 03:54:39,720
In 2003, city council adopted resolution

4551
03:54:36,920 --> 03:54:41,440
0330 authorizing the fees to be assessed

4552
03:54:39,720 --> 03:54:42,840
on county tax rolls annually and

4553
03:54:41,440 --> 03:54:44,920
authorizing the city to collect these

4554
03:54:42,840 --> 03:54:46,480
fees.

4555
03:54:44,920 --> 03:54:50,960
Property owners in the district pay the

4556
03:54:46,480 --> 03:54:53,120
fee authorized by resolution 93169

4557
03:54:50,960 --> 03:54:54,840
through the county's assessor's office

4558
03:54:53,120 --> 03:54:56,240
tax roll, which is then collected by the

4559
03:54:54,840 --> 03:54:58,000
city.

4560
03:54:56,240 --> 03:54:59,560
This process is repeated annually as

4561
03:54:58,000 --> 03:55:01,080
required by the county.

4562
03:54:59,560 --> 03:55:02,760
The fees for the district must be placed

4563
03:55:01,080 --> 03:55:04,320
on property tax rolls for fiscal year

4564
03:55:02,760 --> 03:55:08,000
2026-2027

4565
03:55:04,320 --> 03:55:08,000
by August 10th, 2026.

4566
03:55:08,640 --> 03:55:12,560
So, to ensure the city remains on track

4567
03:55:10,360 --> 03:55:14,120
for this August 10th deadline, staff is

4568
03:55:12,560 --> 03:55:17,200
conducting a public hearing and

4569
03:55:14,120 --> 03:55:19,120
recommending adoption of resolution 2628

4570
03:55:17,200 --> 03:55:21,080
to authorize collection of the county

4571
03:55:19,120 --> 03:55:23,360
tax roll for the cost of implementing

4572
03:55:21,080 --> 03:55:25,120
the city's source and reduction source

4573
03:55:23,360 --> 03:55:26,720
reduction and recycling element and the

4574
03:55:25,120 --> 03:55:29,960
household hazardous waste element

4575
03:55:26,720 --> 03:55:31,400
imposed by resolution 0330.

4576
03:55:29,960 --> 03:55:32,880
» Thank you for that. Does anybody on

4577
03:55:31,400 --> 03:55:34,320
council have any questions before we go

4578
03:55:32,880 --> 03:55:34,960
to public comment?

4579
03:55:34,320 --> 03:55:38,280
Doug?

4580
03:55:34,960 --> 03:55:39,280
» Uh quick question. West of John Tyler

4581
03:55:38,280 --> 03:55:42,240
the

4582
03:55:39,280 --> 03:55:43,960
the I think it's Waste Management is who

4583
03:55:42,240 --> 03:55:46,000
How does this fee work for them? Do we

4584
03:55:43,960 --> 03:55:47,120
pay It's paid directly to them and then

4585
03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:48,480
the city gets their money, or is that

4586
03:55:47,120 --> 03:55:51,520
how it works?

4587
03:55:48,480 --> 03:55:52,880
» Right. So, also part of AB 939, we have

4588
03:55:51,520 --> 03:55:54,920
the collection of fees from our

4589
03:55:52,880 --> 03:55:57,080
permitted haulers. Those are collected

4590
03:55:54,920 --> 03:55:58,320
uh quarterly. So, we see those from all

4591
03:55:57,080 --> 03:55:59,600
of our permitted haulers, including

4592
03:55:58,320 --> 03:56:01,440
Waste Management.

4593
03:55:59,600 --> 03:56:03,240
» Okay, thank you.

4594
03:56:01,440 --> 03:56:05,400
Any other questions?

4595
03:56:03,240 --> 03:56:07,320
Okay. Dean Winner, you're the only

4596
03:56:05,400 --> 03:56:09,160
public speaker that's in person. Who's

4597
03:56:07,320 --> 03:56:10,760
on Zoom? Anybody?

4598
03:56:09,160 --> 03:56:12,440
» There are no raised hands on Zoom.

4599
03:56:10,760 --> 03:56:13,960
» Okay. So, you'll be our only public

4600
03:56:12,440 --> 03:56:16,480
speaker.

4601
03:56:13,960 --> 03:56:16,480
» Yeehaw.

4602
03:56:16,760 --> 03:56:20,520
Thank you. Um

4603
03:56:18,680 --> 03:56:23,160
myself and a few of the owners had

4604
03:56:20,520 --> 03:56:25,320
written Jeff Prang's office to get the

4605
03:56:23,160 --> 03:56:27,880
Malibu garbage refunded from the

4606
03:56:25,320 --> 03:56:31,120
property taxes. We were all very happily

4607
03:56:27,880 --> 03:56:33,440
surprised that we got checks last week.

4608
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:35,000
Um this got brought to my attention by

4609
03:56:33,440 --> 03:56:36,040
someone who's paying attention more than

4610
03:56:35,000 --> 03:56:37,800
I was.

4611
03:56:36,040 --> 03:56:39,960
So, what I wanted to ask everybody to

4612
03:56:37,800 --> 03:56:42,000
look at is the assessment roll that's

4613
03:56:39,960 --> 03:56:42,880
attached to this. It includes the burn

4614
03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:44,120
zone.

4615
03:56:42,880 --> 03:56:45,148
And we're certainly not going to get

4616
03:56:44,120 --> 03:56:45,640
service

4617
03:56:45,148 --> 03:56:48,480
» [laughter]

4618
03:56:45,640 --> 03:56:50,840
» Uh anytime soon. So, we would ask that

4619
03:56:48,480 --> 03:56:53,320
the burn zone addresses get removed by

4620
03:56:50,840 --> 03:56:55,080
this before you forward it on, please.

4621
03:56:53,320 --> 03:56:57,480
Otherwise, I know it's a small amount of

4622
03:56:55,080 --> 03:56:59,600
money, but within the neighborhood and

4623
03:56:57,480 --> 03:57:02,160
within the community community, we're

4624
03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:03,880
we're looking for signs that people are

4625
03:57:02,160 --> 03:57:05,360
looking out for us all the time. And we

4626
03:57:03,880 --> 03:57:07,280
know it's really easy to overlook

4627
03:57:05,360 --> 03:57:09,400
things, and this is a really small

4628
03:57:07,280 --> 03:57:11,800
amount of money, but what it says to a

4629
03:57:09,400 --> 03:57:13,160
large group of people is that, "Hey, we

4630
03:57:11,800 --> 03:57:14,920
didn't pay attention and know all these

4631
03:57:13,160 --> 03:57:16,440
addresses are in here. We're going to

4632
03:57:14,920 --> 03:57:18,000
charge you for it, and then, you know,

4633
03:57:16,440 --> 03:57:20,080
you'll have to ask for a rebate." So,

4634
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:21,320
please take that under consideration.

4635
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:23,560
» Thank you, Dean.

4636
03:57:21,320 --> 03:57:24,600
All right, close this public comment. Um

4637
03:57:23,560 --> 03:57:27,240
staff,

4638
03:57:24,600 --> 03:57:30,760
what, if anything, can we do about that?

4639
03:57:27,240 --> 03:57:32,600
» Definitely. So, we are in contact with

4640
03:57:30,760 --> 03:57:34,640
the county. They're the ones that assess

4641
03:57:32,600 --> 03:57:35,960
the parcels. So, this is something that

4642
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:38,200
they do

4643
03:57:35,960 --> 03:57:40,800
that may differ from what the city may

4644
03:57:38,200 --> 03:57:44,640
do in terms of land use designation, as

4645
03:57:40,800 --> 03:57:46,560
well as assessment of the parcels. So,

4646
03:57:44,640 --> 03:57:49,520
the way that the county works is they

4647
03:57:46,560 --> 03:57:52,360
assess every parcel from developed as

4648
03:57:49,520 --> 03:57:54,520
well as vacant. And from what I've

4649
03:57:52,360 --> 03:57:56,320
communicated with the county on, they

4650
03:57:54,520 --> 03:57:58,400
will be assessing all damaged or

4651
03:57:56,320 --> 03:58:00,480
destroyed fire parcels as vacant

4652
03:57:58,400 --> 03:58:03,400
parcels. So, there is a very significant

4653
03:58:00,480 --> 03:58:04,560
reduction in the assessment tax roll.

4654
03:58:03,400 --> 03:58:07,160
» Say that last part, please.

4655
03:58:04,560 --> 03:58:09,560
» There's a significant reduction in the

4656
03:58:07,160 --> 03:58:10,960
assessment tax tax roll. So, they still

4657
03:58:09,560 --> 03:58:12,720
will be charged,

4658
03:58:10,960 --> 03:58:15,000
however, they will be will be

4659
03:58:12,720 --> 03:58:17,800
significantly decreased. But, I can

4660
03:58:15,000 --> 03:58:19,920
still communicate with LA County to

4661
03:58:17,800 --> 03:58:21,080
emphasize the importance of

4662
03:58:19,920 --> 03:58:22,720
» Not charging them at all.

4663
03:58:21,080 --> 03:58:25,400
» Yes, that's right.

4664
03:58:22,720 --> 03:58:27,920
» Um is there some language that we could

4665
03:58:25,400 --> 03:58:31,200
add to what we're being asked to approve

4666
03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:33,240
that would communicate that request, or

4667
03:58:31,200 --> 03:58:36,240
is it Should we just leave it at the

4668
03:58:33,240 --> 03:58:36,240
staff's going to ask?

4669
03:58:38,160 --> 03:58:42,200
» If you're asking city manager

4670
03:58:40,840 --> 03:58:42,640
or me?

4671
03:58:42,200 --> 03:58:43,720
» Um

4672
03:58:42,640 --> 03:58:45,320
» First question is whether whether

4673
03:58:43,720 --> 03:58:47,280
there's language we could actually add

4674
03:58:45,320 --> 03:58:49,000
to this without

4675
03:58:47,280 --> 03:58:51,840
affecting the validity of what we're

4676
03:58:49,000 --> 03:58:52,920
being asked to do. Uh

4677
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:55,360
Does anyone know the answer to that?

4678
03:58:52,920 --> 03:58:57,760
» I have an idea. I mean, I was just

4679
03:58:55,360 --> 03:58:59,520
the recommended action is is listed for

4680
03:58:57,760 --> 03:59:01,600
council, and and I think you could

4681
03:58:59,520 --> 03:59:05,280
actually add a statement that says and

4682
03:59:01,600 --> 03:59:06,240
direct the city manager and staff to

4683
03:59:05,280 --> 03:59:08,560
um

4684
03:59:06,240 --> 03:59:10,240
inform LA County that um

4685
03:59:08,560 --> 03:59:13,000
city council's desire is to have no

4686
03:59:10,240 --> 03:59:15,720
assessment. We could do that.

4687
03:59:13,000 --> 03:59:17,680
» Okay. I'll move that we um

4688
03:59:15,720 --> 03:59:18,960
approve adopt this with that um

4689
03:59:17,680 --> 03:59:20,040
» Can I ask a couple questions?

4690
03:59:18,960 --> 03:59:22,320
» Yeah, I'm just making a motion for

4691
03:59:20,040 --> 03:59:24,480
purposes of discussion. So, the motion

4692
03:59:22,320 --> 03:59:27,160
is to adopt the resolution, but to add a

4693
03:59:24,480 --> 03:59:29,360
direction to the city manager to um

4694
03:59:27,160 --> 03:59:32,600
inform the county of our strong desire

4695
03:59:29,360 --> 03:59:36,080
that they not charge people whose

4696
03:59:32,600 --> 03:59:36,080
homes were burned to the ground.

4697
03:59:36,960 --> 03:59:39,560
Is there a second for that?

4698
03:59:38,440 --> 03:59:41,080
» I'll second.

4699
03:59:39,560 --> 03:59:42,640
» Okay, it's for discussion only. Good.

4700
03:59:41,080 --> 03:59:44,400
Brienne.

4701
03:59:42,640 --> 03:59:47,560
» So, I just want to understand the fees.

4702
03:59:44,400 --> 03:59:48,720
Is this monthly, annually? How often is

4703
03:59:47,560 --> 03:59:51,640
this amount?

4704
03:59:48,720 --> 03:59:54,360
» For the county, it is annually.

4705
03:59:51,640 --> 03:59:56,040
» So, a property that's not vacant that

4706
03:59:54,360 --> 03:59:57,440
actually is getting

4707
03:59:56,040 --> 03:59:58,600
I I guess I'd never looked at this up

4708
03:59:57,440 --> 03:59:59,880
close.

4709
03:59:58,600 --> 04:00:03,840
So, [clears throat]

4710
03:59:59,880 --> 04:00:05,160
$36.25 for their

4711
04:00:03,840 --> 04:00:06,600
It's annual amount.

4712
04:00:05,160 --> 04:00:08,960
» It's not for the trash service, right?

4713
04:00:06,600 --> 04:00:11,880
This is for a recycling at

4714
04:00:08,960 --> 04:00:14,080
» This is for the trash service fees

4715
04:00:11,880 --> 04:00:17,240
that the LA County Assessor's Office

4716
04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:18,480
collects. So,

4717
04:00:17,240 --> 04:00:21,200
there's a different amount than what is

4718
04:00:18,480 --> 04:00:24,280
shown on Attachment 3. Attachment 3,

4719
04:00:21,200 --> 04:00:25,800
typically you'll see the $7.20.

4720
04:00:24,280 --> 04:00:27,560
That is what the city collects from the

4721
04:00:25,800 --> 04:00:28,880
county.

4722
04:00:27,560 --> 04:00:30,320
» Okay.

4723
04:00:28,880 --> 04:00:32,560
Okay. So, the property owner's not

4724
04:00:30,320 --> 04:00:35,560
paying $7.25.

4725
04:00:32,560 --> 04:00:39,600
That's just the portion that the city

4726
04:00:35,560 --> 04:00:40,360
gets reimbursed or gets directed to or

4727
04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:43,640
» That's right.

4728
04:00:40,360 --> 04:00:46,400
» Okay. I was like, I I want to change.

4729
04:00:43,640 --> 04:00:48,200
Can we have this on the west side cuz

4730
04:00:46,400 --> 04:00:50,040
I'm paying way more than that for my

4731
04:00:48,200 --> 04:00:53,200
stuff. Um

4732
04:00:50,040 --> 04:00:53,200
No, that's it. Thank you.

4733
04:00:53,360 --> 04:00:57,440
» Any further discussion?

4734
04:00:56,360 --> 04:00:57,880
Okay, all in favor?

4735
04:00:57,440 --> 04:00:58,240
» Aye.

4736
04:00:57,880 --> 04:00:59,720
» Aye.

4737
04:00:58,240 --> 04:01:01,560
» Anyone opposed?

4738
04:00:59,720 --> 04:01:03,160
Okay, passes.

4739
04:01:01,560 --> 04:01:05,920
5B.

4740
04:01:03,160 --> 04:01:09,000
Um Assessment District 98-1 Big Rock

4741
04:01:05,920 --> 04:01:10,600
Mesa. Please raise your hand in Zoom if

4742
04:01:09,000 --> 04:01:12,680
you'd like to speak on this item and

4743
04:01:10,600 --> 04:01:14,280
you'll be called after the staff report.

4744
04:01:12,680 --> 04:01:18,040
I don't have any

4745
04:01:14,280 --> 04:01:18,040
speaker slips at this moment.

4746
04:01:18,240 --> 04:01:21,320
Okay.

4747
04:01:19,800 --> 04:01:24,120
Anyone else wants to put in a speaker

4748
04:01:21,320 --> 04:01:25,560
slip, get up now and do it. Otherwise,

4749
04:01:24,120 --> 04:01:28,520
you won't be called.

4750
04:01:25,560 --> 04:01:28,520
Staff report, please.

4751
04:01:30,280 --> 04:01:33,520
» Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

4752
04:01:32,080 --> 04:01:35,720
This evening, we're here to conduct a

4753
04:01:33,520 --> 04:01:38,880
public hearing for the Big Rock Mesa

4754
04:01:35,720 --> 04:01:40,520
Assessment District 98-1.

4755
04:01:38,880 --> 04:01:44,280
This district was originally established

4756
04:01:40,520 --> 04:01:47,520
by LA County and um 1983. This is in

4757
04:01:44,280 --> 04:01:49,720
response to stabilizing the hillside

4758
04:01:47,520 --> 04:01:53,680
from some storms that hit in the early

4759
04:01:49,720 --> 04:01:58,680
'80s. Then in 1998, we established the

4760
04:01:53,680 --> 04:01:58,680
Malibu's Assessment District 98-1.

4761
04:01:59,360 --> 04:02:05,760
This year's assessment, we're assessing

4762
04:02:01,000 --> 04:02:05,760
for a single-family residence $1,118.89.

4763
04:02:07,520 --> 04:02:13,560
This is a increase of $36.79

4764
04:02:11,120 --> 04:02:16,360
from last year's assessment. For a

4765
04:02:13,560 --> 04:02:19,040
condominium, their assessment this year

4766
04:02:16,360 --> 04:02:23,000
is $923.09.

4767
04:02:19,040 --> 04:02:23,000
This is an increase of $30.36.

4768
04:02:24,720 --> 04:02:28,640
This is a map of the boundary of Big

4769
04:02:26,960 --> 04:02:31,840
Rock. It's pretty extensive. They have

4770
04:02:28,640 --> 04:02:33,440
over 200 parcels in this district.

4771
04:02:31,840 --> 04:02:35,880
So, this evening, we come to you to

4772
04:02:33,440 --> 04:02:38,320
conduct a public hearing to add the tax

4773
04:02:35,880 --> 04:02:42,760
um the assessments to the tax rolls by

4774
04:02:38,320 --> 04:02:44,520
adopting resolution number 26-29.

4775
04:02:42,760 --> 04:02:48,080
Um and this will be for the new fiscal

4776
04:02:44,520 --> 04:02:48,080
year of 2026-2027.

4777
04:02:50,800 --> 04:02:54,680
» Thank you. Does anybody on council have

4778
04:02:52,240 --> 04:02:55,120
any questions?

4779
04:02:54,680 --> 04:02:57,960
Doug.

4780
04:02:55,120 --> 04:02:59,880
» Quick question. Applies to vacant and

4781
04:02:57,960 --> 04:03:02,640
improved properties both, correct?

4782
04:02:59,880 --> 04:03:02,640
» That's correct.

4783
04:03:03,080 --> 04:03:07,040
» Okay.

4784
04:03:04,680 --> 04:03:07,960
No speaker slips, yeah.

4785
04:03:07,040 --> 04:03:10,840
Okay.

4786
04:03:07,960 --> 04:03:12,040
Um how many people on Zoom?

4787
04:03:10,840 --> 04:03:13,760
» There are no raised hands.

4788
04:03:12,040 --> 04:03:16,280
» Okay, lock that in.

4789
04:03:13,760 --> 04:03:18,880
Dean Winner, Terry Davis,

4790
04:03:16,280 --> 04:03:21,440
D.D. Graves, and then Joe Drammer has 4

4791
04:03:18,880 --> 04:03:21,440
minutes.

4792
04:03:26,160 --> 04:03:31,240
» So, I've raised this issue before. I

4793
04:03:28,480 --> 04:03:33,640
filed a formal protest with the clerk

4794
04:03:31,240 --> 04:03:36,840
relative to what we're looking at from

4795
04:03:33,640 --> 04:03:39,120
the beach and the delinquencies in the

4796
04:03:36,840 --> 04:03:42,200
current accounts. I believe that

4797
04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:44,840
ultimately, under the fire situation

4798
04:03:42,200 --> 04:03:47,600
we're under, would qualify as a formal

4799
04:03:44,840 --> 04:03:49,640
protest. Um, I won't get into it. I

4800
04:03:47,600 --> 04:03:51,640
submitted a lot of documentation.

4801
04:03:49,640 --> 04:03:53,040
There's a number of issues in there. At

4802
04:03:51,640 --> 04:03:55,360
the end of the day, I ask you to take

4803
04:03:53,040 --> 04:03:57,320
that under advisement. Um, there is

4804
04:03:55,360 --> 04:03:59,240
absolutely no question that the hill

4805
04:03:57,320 --> 04:04:01,880
needs to be dewatered. Okay? I don't

4806
04:03:59,240 --> 04:04:03,400
want anybody misinterpreting that that's

4807
04:04:01,880 --> 04:04:05,600
what I'm trying to do.

4808
04:04:03,400 --> 04:04:08,080
The issue is, I believe, without getting

4809
04:04:05,600 --> 04:04:10,760
into the specifics of the letter, is

4810
04:04:08,080 --> 04:04:13,080
that the district is not formed properly

4811
04:04:10,760 --> 04:04:16,040
and that it is flawed and I've made

4812
04:04:13,080 --> 04:04:18,240
specific requests of the city to engage

4813
04:04:16,040 --> 04:04:20,440
to get it looked at again as it should

4814
04:04:18,240 --> 04:04:22,480
appropriately be done.

4815
04:04:20,440 --> 04:04:24,080
Beyond that, there's also a couple of

4816
04:04:22,480 --> 04:04:27,000
other requests that I included at the

4817
04:04:24,080 --> 04:04:29,440
bottom. Um, I think public works did an

4818
04:04:27,000 --> 04:04:31,760
outstanding job putting the trunk lines

4819
04:04:29,440 --> 04:04:34,040
in for the drainage off the bluff. There

4820
04:04:31,760 --> 04:04:36,360
are still challenges. I thank those of

4821
04:04:34,040 --> 04:04:38,480
you that uh had Caltrans come here

4822
04:04:36,360 --> 04:04:40,840
tonight and speak and give an update was

4823
04:04:38,480 --> 04:04:43,240
much appreciated. Um, but there's still

4824
04:04:40,840 --> 04:04:45,400
work that needs to be done in in that

4825
04:04:43,240 --> 04:04:47,880
area. Okay? There's there's drains that

4826
04:04:45,400 --> 04:04:50,160
have not been fixed. And YAE has been

4827
04:04:47,880 --> 04:04:52,880
doing a good job with the patchwork.

4828
04:04:50,160 --> 04:04:55,680
However, they've taken action in a good

4829
04:04:52,880 --> 04:04:57,680
way near term to put things together,

4830
04:04:55,680 --> 04:04:59,600
but more needs to be done, especially if

4831
04:04:57,680 --> 04:05:03,640
we got heavy storms coming to us

4832
04:04:59,600 --> 04:05:05,560
quickly. So, the two things I ask is the

4833
04:05:03,640 --> 04:05:09,000
report that was issued that's a part of

4834
04:05:05,560 --> 04:05:10,320
this request tonight is a year old.

4835
04:05:09,000 --> 04:05:12,480
A lot of activity has happened in the

4836
04:05:10,320 --> 04:05:14,840
last year. I'd like there to be some

4837
04:05:12,480 --> 04:05:17,560
type of report that tells us what's been

4838
04:05:14,840 --> 04:05:20,240
happening to current day, if at all

4839
04:05:17,560 --> 04:05:22,320
possible. I know YAE does a great job

4840
04:05:20,240 --> 04:05:24,880
and has that. I would ask that the city

4841
04:05:22,320 --> 04:05:26,480
take some action to bring that report up

4842
04:05:24,880 --> 04:05:27,840
to current date and put that out for the

4843
04:05:26,480 --> 04:05:31,760
public.

4844
04:05:27,840 --> 04:05:34,920
The second thing is the NPDES permit.

4845
04:05:31,760 --> 04:05:36,360
Um, it expired a while ago. Um, I

4846
04:05:34,920 --> 04:05:37,960
believe the city's working under

4847
04:05:36,360 --> 04:05:39,920
administrative rights from the water

4848
04:05:37,960 --> 04:05:41,920
board, but you we do not have an

4849
04:05:39,920 --> 04:05:44,080
actively approved permit from what I can

4850
04:05:41,920 --> 04:05:46,640
tell. So, I'd like to understand if you

4851
04:05:44,080 --> 04:05:48,800
could uh speak to the status of the

4852
04:05:46,640 --> 04:05:51,200
water district permit for that area as

4853
04:05:48,800 --> 04:05:52,720
well. Thank you.

4854
04:05:51,200 --> 04:05:55,080
» Thanks, Dean.

4855
04:05:52,720 --> 04:05:55,080
Terry.

4856
04:05:58,080 --> 04:06:02,800
» Good evening. Um,

4857
04:06:00,240 --> 04:06:04,680
this evening I'm speaking as uh

4858
04:06:02,800 --> 04:06:06,520
president of Big Rock Mesa Property

4859
04:06:04,680 --> 04:06:09,560
Owners Association.

4860
04:06:06,520 --> 04:06:11,840
And uh good evening, Mayor, Council, and

4861
04:06:09,560 --> 04:06:13,560
Joe. Um,

4862
04:06:11,840 --> 04:06:15,960
the Big Rock Mesa Property Owners

4863
04:06:13,560 --> 04:06:19,120
Association greatly appreciates the

4864
04:06:15,960 --> 04:06:21,120
information regarding the Big Rock AD

4865
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:23,880
that Dean Winner has presented to the

4866
04:06:21,120 --> 04:06:25,720
council. Actually, he submitted this his

4867
04:06:23,880 --> 04:06:28,080
protest letter and all of that

4868
04:06:25,720 --> 04:06:30,960
information in there. He does bring up

4869
04:06:28,080 --> 04:06:33,080
some really important issues. While

4870
04:06:30,960 --> 04:06:34,680
individual members of our community may

4871
04:06:33,080 --> 04:06:37,600
support certain findings and

4872
04:06:34,680 --> 04:06:40,080
recommendations, the BRMPOA

4873
04:06:37,600 --> 04:06:42,720
is not at this time in a position to

4874
04:06:40,080 --> 04:06:45,240
endorse any kind of action that would

4875
04:06:42,720 --> 04:06:47,480
delay or withhold authorization of

4876
04:06:45,240 --> 04:06:50,240
additional funding for the assessment

4877
04:06:47,480 --> 04:06:51,920
district over the next 12 months. Nor

4878
04:06:50,240 --> 04:06:54,240
can the board support any action that

4879
04:06:51,920 --> 04:06:56,600
could interrupt or impede the ongoing

4880
04:06:54,240 --> 04:06:59,000
monitoring, maintenance, or mitigation

4881
04:06:56,600 --> 04:07:01,560
efforts necessary to address water

4882
04:06:59,000 --> 04:07:03,600
infiltration, ground movement, and other

4883
04:07:01,560 --> 04:07:06,120
conditions that may contribute to ground

4884
04:07:03,600 --> 04:07:08,440
instability. As the Department of Public

4885
04:07:06,120 --> 04:07:11,440
Works is aware, the BRMPOA has

4886
04:07:08,440 --> 04:07:13,680
previously raised concerns regarding how

4887
04:07:11,440 --> 04:07:15,680
benefit has been determined within the

4888
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:17,960
assessment district and how that

4889
04:07:15,680 --> 04:07:20,320
determination should be evaluated moving

4890
04:07:17,960 --> 04:07:22,520
forward. We have also engaged in

4891
04:07:20,320 --> 04:07:25,000
discussions with public works leadership

4892
04:07:22,520 --> 04:07:27,720
regarding significant potential changes

4893
04:07:25,000 --> 04:07:30,480
to the existing assessment district.

4894
04:07:27,720 --> 04:07:32,520
Changes that as previously suggested by

4895
04:07:30,480 --> 04:07:34,720
the director of public works may

4896
04:07:32,520 --> 04:07:37,480
ultimately require the formation of a

4897
04:07:34,720 --> 04:07:39,720
new assessment district.

4898
04:07:37,480 --> 04:07:42,120
The Palisades fire unfortunately

4899
04:07:39,720 --> 04:07:45,560
interrupted these important discussions.

4900
04:07:42,120 --> 04:07:47,960
Today our community remains focused

4901
04:07:45,560 --> 04:07:50,080
on the immense task of rebuilding homes,

4902
04:07:47,960 --> 04:07:53,480
restoring lives, and recovering from the

4903
04:07:50,080 --> 04:07:55,320
disaster. The continued functionality of

4904
04:07:53,480 --> 04:07:57,440
the infrastructure is essential to

4905
04:07:55,320 --> 04:08:00,160
public safety, property protection, and

4906
04:07:57,440 --> 04:08:03,120
slope stability throughout the area.

4907
04:08:00,160 --> 04:08:05,440
Accordingly, the BROMPA supports

4908
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:07,760
approval of the assessment district. We

4909
04:08:05,440 --> 04:08:10,240
also respectfully request a firm

4910
04:08:07,760 --> 04:08:12,720
commitment from you, Mayor Silverstein

4911
04:08:10,240 --> 04:08:14,720
and City Council, and that the city will

4912
04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:17,680
actively pursue the issues and

4913
04:08:14,720 --> 04:08:19,320
inequities identified in Mr. Wenner's

4914
04:08:17,680 --> 04:08:21,360
findings and continue working

4915
04:08:19,320 --> 04:08:23,720
collaboratively with the Big Rock

4916
04:08:21,360 --> 04:08:26,800
community to ensure that all who benefit

4917
04:08:23,720 --> 04:08:29,160
from the system contribute fairly to its

4918
04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:31,360
support. Specifically, we ask that the

4919
04:08:29,160 --> 04:08:33,680
city return to the community within the

4920
04:08:31,360 --> 04:08:35,920
next month if possible with a clear

4921
04:08:33,680 --> 04:08:40,120
response to these concerns and a road

4922
04:08:35,920 --> 04:08:42,680
map for moving forward. Our goal is a

4923
04:08:40,120 --> 04:08:44,200
fair, sustainable, and reliable funding

4924
04:08:42,680 --> 04:08:45,760
structure that protects both the

4925
04:08:44,200 --> 04:08:47,720
residents of Big Rock and the many

4926
04:08:45,760 --> 04:08:51,040
members of the public who rely on this

4927
04:08:47,720 --> 04:08:53,120
critical corridor and public highway. We

4928
04:08:51,040 --> 04:08:54,560
appreciate your attention to these

4929
04:08:53,120 --> 04:08:57,000
matters and look forward to working

4930
04:08:54,560 --> 04:08:59,320
together toward a long-term solution

4931
04:08:57,000 --> 04:09:01,000
that balances equity, public safety, and

4932
04:08:59,320 --> 04:09:02,240
the continued resilience of our

4933
04:09:01,000 --> 04:09:06,960
community.

4934
04:09:02,240 --> 04:09:07,920
Respectfully, Terry Davis for the board

4935
04:09:06,960 --> 04:09:08,640
and the community.

4936
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:09,240
» Thank you, Tara.

4937
04:09:08,640 --> 04:09:11,800
» Thank you.

4938
04:09:09,240 --> 04:09:11,800
» Didi.

4939
04:09:15,760 --> 04:09:19,880
» Thank you, City Council, for your time

4940
04:09:18,600 --> 04:09:21,280
in supporting Malibu and our

4941
04:09:19,880 --> 04:09:24,760
communities.

4942
04:09:21,280 --> 04:09:27,560
My name is Didi Graves. Our family home

4943
04:09:24,760 --> 04:09:29,960
burned in the fire on the beach, and we

4944
04:09:27,560 --> 04:09:32,720
are in the process of rebuilding it.

4945
04:09:29,960 --> 04:09:34,640
Uh I was notified of the assessment for

4946
04:09:32,720 --> 04:09:36,240
the Big Rock Mesa Assessment District

4947
04:09:34,640 --> 04:09:38,960
98-1.

4948
04:09:36,240 --> 04:09:42,720
The map includes all of the properties

4949
04:09:38,960 --> 04:09:45,120
on the beach. We have no control over

4950
04:09:42,720 --> 04:09:48,080
the water that goes into the Mesa or is

4951
04:09:45,120 --> 04:09:49,680
pumped out of the Mesa, but

4952
04:09:48,080 --> 04:09:51,360
we are being assessed and have been

4953
04:09:49,680 --> 04:09:53,880
assessed for this.

4954
04:09:51,360 --> 04:09:53,880
Um

4955
04:09:54,200 --> 04:09:58,800
Malibu says they want to help us

4956
04:09:56,000 --> 04:10:00,240
rebuild, but if we're going to be

4957
04:09:58,800 --> 04:10:02,840
assessed

4958
04:10:00,240 --> 04:10:05,680
with the Big Mock Mesa, we're also told

4959
04:10:02,840 --> 04:10:06,760
that we will probably be assessed by the

4960
04:10:05,680 --> 04:10:09,600
um

4961
04:10:06,760 --> 04:10:11,240
sewer system coming in. This all takes

4962
04:10:09,600 --> 04:10:13,920
away from

4963
04:10:11,240 --> 04:10:16,120
the possibility of our rebuilding our

4964
04:10:13,920 --> 04:10:18,440
homes.

4965
04:10:16,120 --> 04:10:19,960
I want my beach house back. Hopefully,

4966
04:10:18,440 --> 04:10:23,320
we can afford it.

4967
04:10:19,960 --> 04:10:26,160
I'm 81 years old, and I want to sit on

4968
04:10:23,320 --> 04:10:29,800
my deck, listen to the ocean, look at

4969
04:10:26,160 --> 04:10:29,800
the sunset. Thank you.

4970
04:10:31,040 --> 04:10:33,680
» Thank you, Didi.

4971
04:10:34,120 --> 04:10:36,480
Joe.

4972
04:10:37,360 --> 04:10:40,360
Joe gets 4 minutes.

4973
04:10:40,480 --> 04:10:44,640
» Honorable Mayor and City Council

4974
04:10:42,240 --> 04:10:46,320
members, I appreciate Terry and the Big

4975
04:10:44,640 --> 04:10:47,840
Rock Mesa Property Owners Association,

4976
04:10:46,320 --> 04:10:49,640
of which I'm a board member, for

4977
04:10:47,840 --> 04:10:51,760
formalizing these concerns and putting

4978
04:10:49,640 --> 04:10:53,800
forward a responsible position. The

4979
04:10:51,760 --> 04:10:55,360
dewatering system must continue, but the

4980
04:10:53,800 --> 04:10:57,840
way the assessment district is

4981
04:10:55,360 --> 04:10:59,600
structured needs to be revised and

4982
04:10:57,840 --> 04:11:01,280
revisited. No one wants to interrupt

4983
04:10:59,600 --> 04:11:02,960
monitoring, maintenance, or mitigation

4984
04:11:01,280 --> 04:11:04,880
of a system that protects slope

4985
04:11:02,960 --> 04:11:07,120
stability, homes, public safety, and

4986
04:11:04,880 --> 04:11:08,840
PCH. In fact, the system should be

4987
04:11:07,120 --> 04:11:10,640
improved, expanded, and brought into a

4988
04:11:08,840 --> 04:11:13,160
more reliable long-term condition,

4989
04:11:10,640 --> 04:11:15,120
especially after the Palisades fire. And

4990
04:11:13,160 --> 04:11:16,160
Rob has been working on that. We love

4991
04:11:15,120 --> 04:11:17,800
you.

4992
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:19,480
But that is exactly why the city must

4993
04:11:17,800 --> 04:11:21,800
now take a hard look at who truly

4994
04:11:19,480 --> 04:11:23,840
benefits from this infrastructure. This

4995
04:11:21,800 --> 04:11:25,480
system does not only benefit individual

4996
04:11:23,840 --> 04:11:27,440
Big Rock homeowners, it protects a

4997
04:11:25,480 --> 04:11:30,440
critical public corridor. It protects

4998
04:11:27,440 --> 04:11:32,800
access along PCH. It supports emergency

4999
04:11:30,440 --> 04:11:35,440
access, evacuation, utility access,

5000
04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:37,040
coastal access, and public land access.

5001
04:11:35,440 --> 04:11:39,840
That means the city should determine

5002
04:11:37,040 --> 04:11:41,520
whether Caltrans and MRCA also receive

5003
04:11:39,840 --> 04:11:43,400
special benefit from the dewatering

5004
04:11:41,520 --> 04:11:45,200
system and should be included in the

5005
04:11:43,400 --> 04:11:47,600
assessment district or in a future

5006
04:11:45,200 --> 04:11:49,080
reformed district. Caltrans benefits

5007
04:11:47,600 --> 04:11:51,240
because the system helps protect the

5008
04:11:49,080 --> 04:11:53,640
stability and functionality of Pacific

5009
04:11:51,240 --> 04:11:55,520
Coast Highway. MRCA benefits because

5010
04:11:53,640 --> 04:11:58,080
stable access throughout the area

5011
04:11:55,520 --> 04:12:00,480
supports public access to open trails,

5012
04:11:58,080 --> 04:12:01,800
space, emergency response, fire road

5013
04:12:00,480 --> 04:12:03,640
motorways, and land management

5014
04:12:01,800 --> 04:12:05,400
responsibilities. If these public

5015
04:12:03,640 --> 04:12:07,200
agencies rely on this protected

5016
04:12:05,400 --> 04:12:08,720
corridor, they should not be treated as

5017
04:12:07,200 --> 04:12:10,520
outside observers while private

5018
04:12:08,720 --> 04:12:12,560
homeowners alone are asked to carry the

5019
04:12:10,520 --> 04:12:14,320
cost. The issue is not whether

5020
04:12:12,560 --> 04:12:15,920
dewatering should continue, it must

5021
04:12:14,320 --> 04:12:17,280
continue. The issue is fairness,

5022
04:12:15,920 --> 04:12:19,000
accountability, and whether all

5023
04:12:17,280 --> 04:12:21,040
benefiting parties are paying their

5024
04:12:19,000 --> 04:12:22,560
proper share, especially after

5025
04:12:21,040 --> 04:12:24,400
everything Big Rock has been through,

5026
04:12:22,560 --> 04:12:26,400
after losing so many homes, after the

5027
04:12:24,400 --> 04:12:28,240
trauma of the fire, and while families

5028
04:12:26,400 --> 04:12:30,120
are still trying to rebuild. It is not

5029
04:12:28,240 --> 04:12:31,560
fair or sustainable to ask this one

5030
04:12:30,120 --> 04:12:33,720
neighborhood,

5031
04:12:31,560 --> 04:12:35,800
especially DD,

5032
04:12:33,720 --> 04:12:37,520
to carry costs that also protect public

5033
04:12:35,800 --> 04:12:40,240
infrastructure, public access, and

5034
04:12:37,520 --> 04:12:42,000
public agencies. We are seeing patchwork

5035
04:12:40,240 --> 04:12:44,120
repairs, old reports, unanswered

5036
04:12:42,000 --> 04:12:45,640
questions, and uncertainty about future

5037
04:12:44,120 --> 04:12:47,320
upgrades. If major upgrades are

5038
04:12:45,640 --> 04:12:48,960
required, residents cannot simply be

5039
04:12:47,320 --> 04:12:50,760
told after the fact to pay whatever

5040
04:12:48,960 --> 04:12:52,240
costs are passed through without a

5041
04:12:50,760 --> 04:12:54,840
transparent review of benefit

5042
04:12:52,240 --> 04:12:56,800
responsibility and agency participation

5043
04:12:54,840 --> 04:12:58,920
participation. So, we are asking the

5044
04:12:56,800 --> 04:13:00,640
council to bring back a formal agenda

5045
04:12:58,920 --> 04:13:02,800
item on the future of of assessment

5046
04:13:00,640 --> 04:13:05,080
district, including whether Caltrans,

5047
04:13:02,800 --> 04:13:06,560
MRCA, and any other public entities

5048
04:13:05,080 --> 04:13:08,240
receiving special benefits should be

5049
04:13:06,560 --> 04:13:10,280
included. Please approve what is

5050
04:13:08,240 --> 04:13:11,920
necessary to protect Mount public safety

5051
04:13:10,280 --> 04:13:13,920
now, but also direct staff to return

5052
04:13:11,920 --> 04:13:15,920
with a clear roadmap, timeline, and

5053
04:13:13,920 --> 04:13:17,760
legal analysis for a fairer long-term

5054
04:13:15,920 --> 04:13:19,120
structure. Thank you.

5055
04:13:17,760 --> 04:13:21,640
» Thank you, Joe.

5056
04:13:19,120 --> 04:13:24,840
That concludes public comment.

5057
04:13:21,640 --> 04:13:24,840
Back up the city council.

5058
04:13:28,280 --> 04:13:31,280
Then I'll jump into this at once.

5059
04:13:30,040 --> 04:13:32,400
» And mayor, that closed the public

5060
04:13:31,280 --> 04:13:33,800
hearing, correct?

5061
04:13:32,400 --> 04:13:35,160
» I thought I said that. If I didn't

5062
04:13:33,800 --> 04:13:35,560
» Close public comment closes the public

5063
04:13:35,160 --> 04:13:38,680
hearing.

5064
04:13:35,560 --> 04:13:40,600
» Closes the public hearing. Thank you.

5065
04:13:38,680 --> 04:13:42,000
Got you.

5066
04:13:40,600 --> 04:13:43,680
» I think the request we got from the

5067
04:13:42,000 --> 04:13:44,520
residents tonight makes some sense. You

5068
04:13:43,680 --> 04:13:46,320
know,

5069
04:13:44,520 --> 04:13:47,680
approval we have to approve tonight to

5070
04:13:46,320 --> 04:13:49,160
make sure we take care of, you know,

5071
04:13:47,680 --> 04:13:51,680
what we got to take care of.

5072
04:13:49,160 --> 04:13:53,800
But if there are other issues that are

5073
04:13:51,680 --> 04:13:56,040
currently involved in this assessment

5074
04:13:53,800 --> 04:13:58,240
district that requires some review,

5075
04:13:56,040 --> 04:13:59,600
let's review them and come back with a

5076
04:13:58,240 --> 04:14:01,640
you know, let us know. I don't know if

5077
04:13:59,600 --> 04:14:03,240
we have to do today or tomorrow that

5078
04:14:01,640 --> 04:14:05,320
quickly, but if there's if there are

5079
04:14:03,240 --> 04:14:07,320
inconsistencies or inequities in that

5080
04:14:05,320 --> 04:14:08,640
thing, let's fix it. Have them come back

5081
04:14:07,320 --> 04:14:09,840
and tell us what they could have to do.

5082
04:14:08,640 --> 04:14:12,560
So,

5083
04:14:09,840 --> 04:14:15,680
I think that's the public works job.

5084
04:14:12,560 --> 04:14:17,960
» I think my my suspicion is a lot of

5085
04:14:15,680 --> 04:14:20,080
these things were considered in the past

5086
04:14:17,960 --> 04:14:22,120
in connection with the formation

5087
04:14:20,080 --> 04:14:24,080
and um

5088
04:14:22,120 --> 04:14:24,640
there's history that we don't know.

5089
04:14:24,080 --> 04:14:25,920
Um

5090
04:14:24,640 --> 04:14:27,760
» Then just tell us that, but I mean

5091
04:14:25,920 --> 04:14:29,360
» No, I get I get that. I I I assume if

5092
04:14:27,760 --> 04:14:31,160
we're if we're going to if we approve

5093
04:14:29,360 --> 04:14:33,960
this tonight, this is going to be the

5094
04:14:31,160 --> 04:14:35,360
rule for the next year. So, even though

5095
04:14:33,960 --> 04:14:37,760
the request that these things be

5096
04:14:35,360 --> 04:14:40,080
examined and we make a commitment to

5097
04:14:37,760 --> 04:14:43,000
look to um address them

5098
04:14:40,080 --> 04:14:44,720
um was made for the next month or so, I

5099
04:14:43,000 --> 04:14:47,440
it seems to me that so long as we

5100
04:14:44,720 --> 04:14:49,280
examine the questions and have an answer

5101
04:14:47,440 --> 04:14:51,600
by by the time this comes back for

5102
04:14:49,280 --> 04:14:52,920
approval again next year, it's the same

5103
04:14:51,600 --> 04:14:54,360
thing as if it happens in the next month

5104
04:14:52,920 --> 04:14:56,880
or two. Nothing's going to change

5105
04:14:54,360 --> 04:14:57,880
between now and then in any event.

5106
04:14:56,880 --> 04:14:59,600
Um

5107
04:14:57,880 --> 04:15:00,160
so does that does that make sense to

5108
04:14:59,600 --> 04:15:02,200
you, Steve?

5109
04:15:00,160 --> 04:15:03,880
» Yeah, I I I just think we got to respond

5110
04:15:02,200 --> 04:15:06,360
to the question. I mean,

5111
04:15:03,880 --> 04:15:07,800
in a timely manner, but you know, if

5112
04:15:06,360 --> 04:15:10,240
it's next year, it's next year.

5113
04:15:07,800 --> 04:15:11,600
» I mean our staff is overwhelmed right

5114
04:15:10,240 --> 04:15:14,000
now with lots of things and we added a

5115
04:15:11,600 --> 04:15:16,040
number of things tonight already, but

5116
04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:19,000
seems to me that it's a fair request to

5117
04:15:16,040 --> 04:15:20,680
next time this is presented to address

5118
04:15:19,000 --> 04:15:22,400
those issues in advance of the

5119
04:15:20,680 --> 04:15:24,120
presentation and to the extent there's

5120
04:15:22,400 --> 04:15:27,280
anything that's determined to be

5121
04:15:24,120 --> 04:15:29,000
inappropriate to address that as well.

5122
04:15:27,280 --> 04:15:30,480
Um, I suspect there is a procedural

5123
04:15:29,000 --> 04:15:32,040
issue of it having been in place for

5124
04:15:30,480 --> 04:15:34,560
however many years it's been in place

5125
04:15:32,040 --> 04:15:36,520
and not been challenged up till now.

5126
04:15:34,560 --> 04:15:38,800
And I suspect that there are substantive

5127
04:15:36,520 --> 04:15:40,840
questions about how you assess if you

5128
04:15:38,800 --> 04:15:43,280
can public agencies.

5129
04:15:40,840 --> 04:15:44,960
And I suspect that there's also an issue

5130
04:15:43,280 --> 04:15:46,640
potentially involving the settlement

5131
04:15:44,960 --> 04:15:47,640
that occurred years ago that may have

5132
04:15:46,640 --> 04:15:50,840
some

5133
04:15:47,640 --> 04:15:53,240
um, substantive indica- implications for

5134
04:15:50,840 --> 04:15:55,080
this. I just but I think it's not too

5135
04:15:53,240 --> 04:15:57,160
much to ask that Trevor in this in the

5136
04:15:55,080 --> 04:15:58,280
first instance sometime over the next

5137
04:15:57,160 --> 04:16:00,560
few months take a look at these

5138
04:15:58,280 --> 04:16:02,960
questions so that by the time this comes

5139
04:16:00,560 --> 04:16:04,840
back to us next year we're better we're

5140
04:16:02,960 --> 04:16:07,920
all better informed. And if there are

5141
04:16:04,840 --> 04:16:08,400
solutions then we can talk about them.

5142
04:16:07,920 --> 04:16:10,406
That make sense?

5143
04:16:08,400 --> 04:16:10,680
» I I have no problem with that.

5144
04:16:10,406 --> 04:16:11,200
» [clears throat]

5145
04:16:10,680 --> 04:16:13,280
» Doc.

5146
04:16:11,200 --> 04:16:16,840
» Yeah, and Bruce, I think you've said it

5147
04:16:13,280 --> 04:16:18,360
well and Steve, the the issue

5148
04:16:16,840 --> 04:16:21,040
isn't the amount of money that's

5149
04:16:18,360 --> 04:16:23,000
collected and I think in my

5150
04:16:21,040 --> 04:16:25,560
listening everybody's comments

5151
04:16:23,000 --> 04:16:27,600
everyone is confident that the E

5152
04:16:25,560 --> 04:16:29,040
operation that

5153
04:16:27,600 --> 04:16:31,120
the consultants we have operating this

5154
04:16:29,040 --> 04:16:33,480
and the public works is doing an okay

5155
04:16:31,120 --> 04:16:34,960
job with it. So, the amount of money

5156
04:16:33,480 --> 04:16:38,400
isn't going to change. The question is

5157
04:16:34,960 --> 04:16:39,840
who pays and how's it divvied up?

5158
04:16:38,400 --> 04:16:41,560
Um, and

5159
04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:44,120
you know, somebody on the beach really

5160
04:16:41,560 --> 04:16:46,520
isn't doing watering the beach

5161
04:16:44,120 --> 04:16:48,840
and at the same time Caltrains does have

5162
04:16:46,520 --> 04:16:50,080
a benefit out of it. So, the the

5163
04:16:48,840 --> 04:16:51,018
question is how do we spread out the

5164
04:16:50,080 --> 04:16:51,200
expense?

5165
04:16:51,018 --> 04:16:52,600
» [clears throat]

5166
04:16:51,200 --> 04:16:54,120
» I do think

5167
04:16:52,600 --> 04:16:55,720
uh the the

5168
04:16:54,120 --> 04:16:58,720
homeowners association made an excellent

5169
04:16:55,720 --> 04:17:01,240
point. Don't mess with it tonight. Get

5170
04:16:58,720 --> 04:17:02,080
it approved, keep it in operation,

5171
04:17:01,240 --> 04:17:03,720
and then [clears throat] let's figure

5172
04:17:02,080 --> 04:17:05,120
out what we're going to do about it. And

5173
04:17:03,720 --> 04:17:06,640
I was going to turn to the city manager

5174
04:17:05,120 --> 04:17:08,160
as I heard this and go, you know, how do

5175
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:10,560
we fit this in with everything else

5176
04:17:08,160 --> 04:17:12,480
we've got going on? Any recommendation

5177
04:17:10,560 --> 04:17:14,640
of how we can address [clears throat]

5178
04:17:12,480 --> 04:17:16,320
the issue we got to deal with 12 months

5179
04:17:14,640 --> 04:17:16,480
from now when this comes back?

5180
04:17:16,320 --> 04:17:17,480
» Yes.

5181
04:17:16,480 --> 04:17:19,120
» That's a great question and I

5182
04:17:17,480 --> 04:17:21,720
appreciated the mayor's comment there

5183
04:17:19,120 --> 04:17:24,040
that it There's some time to work this

5184
04:17:21,720 --> 04:17:25,680
into our work planning efforts.

5185
04:17:24,040 --> 04:17:28,360
We're in the process of creating

5186
04:17:25,680 --> 04:17:30,960
assessment districts on PCH and that's

5187
04:17:28,360 --> 04:17:34,440
an effort that's large. Uh this is no

5188
04:17:30,960 --> 04:17:36,760
small task, but I think if the council's

5189
04:17:34,440 --> 04:17:39,720
direction is to give that leeway for the

5190
04:17:36,760 --> 04:17:41,160
next 12 months, we can figure that out

5191
04:17:39,720 --> 04:17:43,720
and fit it into the work plan to bring

5192
04:17:41,160 --> 04:17:45,120
back a report for council to consider.

5193
04:17:43,720 --> 04:17:47,240
» We need to make sure that we stick a pin

5194
04:17:45,120 --> 04:17:48,520
in this. We We do bring it back. I don't

5195
04:17:47,240 --> 04:17:49,880
I don't want us to be sitting here a

5196
04:17:48,520 --> 04:17:52,120
year from now going, "Who took care of

5197
04:17:49,880 --> 04:17:53,120
this?" We didn't take care of this.

5198
04:17:52,120 --> 04:17:55,000
» Well, I think we're going to include

5199
04:17:53,120 --> 04:17:56,520
that as a formal direction when we when

5200
04:17:55,000 --> 04:17:57,680
we move for whatever we're going to do

5201
04:17:56,520 --> 04:17:59,240
tonight.

5202
04:17:57,680 --> 04:18:01,640
Um

5203
04:17:59,240 --> 04:18:03,520
is this a situation like the um the

5204
04:18:01,640 --> 04:18:05,040
trash that we just did where the vacant

5205
04:18:03,520 --> 04:18:06,600
properties that have been that that

5206
04:18:05,040 --> 04:18:09,040
aren't vacant intentionally, but are

5207
04:18:06,600 --> 04:18:10,520
vacant as a result of the fire um

5208
04:18:09,040 --> 04:18:12,240
can be provided some kind of

5209
04:18:10,520 --> 04:18:14,400
dispensation or

5210
04:18:12,240 --> 04:18:17,360
are we locked into where we are because

5211
04:18:14,400 --> 04:18:19,400
of the traditional model?

5212
04:18:17,360 --> 04:18:21,400
» So, they would be

5213
04:18:19,400 --> 04:18:23,480
assessed the same as a home that's

5214
04:18:21,400 --> 04:18:24,880
currently standing. This supports the

5215
04:18:23,480 --> 04:18:28,480
operations and maintenance of the

5216
04:18:24,880 --> 04:18:30,040
district, the Duarte Wing system.

5217
04:18:28,480 --> 04:18:32,280
» Right. My question is is is there a room

5218
04:18:30,040 --> 04:18:34,200
for doing anything about the fact that

5219
04:18:32,280 --> 04:18:37,480
they are vacant?

5220
04:18:34,200 --> 04:18:38,320
» Not that I recall, no.

5221
04:18:37,480 --> 04:18:41,080
» It's based [clears throat] on the

5222
04:18:38,320 --> 04:18:42,480
engineer's report also, so it would to

5223
04:18:41,080 --> 04:18:44,400
make sound of change on that would need

5224
04:18:42,480 --> 04:18:45,040
to be gone through that kind of process,

5225
04:18:44,400 --> 04:18:45,520
correct?

5226
04:18:45,040 --> 04:18:47,440
» That's correct.

5227
04:18:45,520 --> 04:18:49,160
» I mean, if we it do anything would also

5228
04:18:47,440 --> 04:18:51,080
then require everybody else being

5229
04:18:49,160 --> 04:18:51,480
changed in a way to make up the money,

5230
04:18:51,080 --> 04:18:52,040
right?

5231
04:18:51,480 --> 04:18:53,880
» Yes.

5232
04:18:52,040 --> 04:18:57,400
» I think it's outside of our ability to

5233
04:18:53,880 --> 04:18:58,440
do anything tonight, if at all.

5234
04:18:57,400 --> 04:18:59,000
Does anybody want to make a motion on

5235
04:18:58,440 --> 04:19:00,480
this one?

5236
04:18:59,000 --> 04:19:03,320
» I'll make a motion to approve it with

5237
04:19:00,480 --> 04:19:04,920
the uh stipulation that before this

5238
04:19:03,320 --> 04:19:07,914
comes back to us a year from now, we

5239
04:19:04,920 --> 04:19:08,440
have got a review of uh

5240
04:19:07,914 --> 04:19:12,480
» [clears throat]

5241
04:19:08,440 --> 04:19:13,320
» The area and portion of the assessment

5242
04:19:12,480 --> 04:19:14,464
district.

5243
04:19:13,320 --> 04:19:15,720
» Review the issues that are

5244
04:19:14,464 --> 04:19:16,440
[clears throat] raised by the protest.

5245
04:19:15,720 --> 04:19:17,800
I'll say it that way.

5246
04:19:16,440 --> 04:19:19,400
» That's That's a good way to put it.

5247
04:19:17,800 --> 04:19:21,760
» I'll second that.

5248
04:19:19,400 --> 04:19:23,280
» Any further discussion?

5249
04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:24,120
Anyone opposed?

5250
04:19:23,280 --> 04:19:24,960
All in favor?

5251
04:19:24,120 --> 04:19:28,440
» Aye.

5252
04:19:24,960 --> 04:19:28,440
» Okay, unanimously passed.

5253
04:19:31,880 --> 04:19:35,240
All right, now we do Cal de Marco

5254
04:19:34,680 --> 04:19:37,640
um

5255
04:19:35,240 --> 04:19:39,440
assessment district 98-2.

5256
04:19:37,640 --> 04:19:41,440
Again, please raise your hand in Zoom if

5257
04:19:39,440 --> 04:19:42,680
you'd like to speak on this item, and

5258
04:19:41,440 --> 04:19:45,040
you will be called after the staff

5259
04:19:42,680 --> 04:19:47,480
report. And if anybody here wants to

5260
04:19:45,040 --> 04:19:49,600
speak, get your speaker slip in.

5261
04:19:47,480 --> 04:19:51,040
Do we have any speakers here?

5262
04:19:49,600 --> 04:19:51,760
» No, we don't have any speaker slips for

5263
04:19:51,040 --> 04:19:55,040
this item.

5264
04:19:51,760 --> 04:19:55,040
» Okay, anybody on Zoom yet?

5265
04:19:55,560 --> 04:20:00,200
» There are no raised hands in Zoom.

5266
04:19:57,200 --> 04:20:02,480
» Okay. Staff report, please.

5267
04:20:00,200 --> 04:20:04,000
» Good evening again, Mayor and Council.

5268
04:20:02,480 --> 04:20:06,040
Tonight, we're here to conduct a public

5269
04:20:04,000 --> 04:20:08,320
hearing for the Cal de Marco assessment

5270
04:20:06,040 --> 04:20:10,560
district 98-2.

5271
04:20:08,320 --> 04:20:13,440
Again, this district was formed in

5272
04:20:10,560 --> 04:20:15,360
1977-1978

5273
04:20:13,440 --> 04:20:18,640
to um improve the stability of the

5274
04:20:15,360 --> 04:20:21,240
landslide. And then, the city also is um

5275
04:20:18,640 --> 04:20:22,680
formed an assessment district in 1998.

5276
04:20:21,240 --> 04:20:25,160
And that was for additional landslide

5277
04:20:22,680 --> 04:20:27,440
movement from the El Nino.

5278
04:20:25,160 --> 04:20:28,440
This evening, we have

5279
04:20:27,440 --> 04:20:31,680
the assessments [clears throat] for

5280
04:20:28,440 --> 04:20:34,200
fiscal year 2026-2027.

5281
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:38,080
For a single-family home, the new

5282
04:20:34,200 --> 04:20:38,080
assessment will be $1,343.62.

5283
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:45,360
This is a decrease of $600

5284
04:20:42,120 --> 04:20:45,360
and $65.64.

5285
04:20:45,720 --> 04:20:51,760
Um for a condominium, it is

5286
04:20:48,760 --> 04:20:51,760
$1,108.49.

5287
04:20:52,080 --> 04:20:56,640
This too is a decrease of $540.90.

5288
04:20:57,120 --> 04:21:03,240
And then for a single family home um

5289
04:21:00,120 --> 04:21:05,920
classified as B, that assessment is

5290
04:21:03,240 --> 04:21:10,680
$671.81.

5291
04:21:05,920 --> 04:21:10,680
This too is a reduction of $327.82

5292
04:21:10,800 --> 04:21:14,680
from the previous fiscal year. And as

5293
04:21:12,760 --> 04:21:16,840
you can see through the various types of

5294
04:21:14,680 --> 04:21:19,360
classifications, there is a reduction

5295
04:21:16,840 --> 04:21:21,840
for the new fiscal year that was

5296
04:21:19,360 --> 04:21:24,320
attributed to a high fund balance at the

5297
04:21:21,840 --> 04:21:26,520
end of the current fiscal year. We had a

5298
04:21:24,320 --> 04:21:29,280
um less delinquencies than we had

5299
04:21:26,520 --> 04:21:32,560
anticipated and less expenditures than

5300
04:21:29,280 --> 04:21:32,560
we had anticipated.

5301
04:21:32,600 --> 04:21:38,960
With that being said, we are asking that

5302
04:21:35,600 --> 04:21:40,520
the council adopt resolution number 2630

5303
04:21:38,960 --> 04:21:41,960
levying the assessments for the

5304
04:21:40,520 --> 04:21:44,560
maintenance, the repair, and

5305
04:21:41,960 --> 04:21:46,240
improvements for the assessment district

5306
04:21:44,560 --> 04:21:47,880
98-2

5307
04:21:46,240 --> 04:21:51,560
for the new fiscal year.

5308
04:21:47,880 --> 04:21:55,120
» Thank you. Are there any questions?

5309
04:21:51,560 --> 04:21:55,120
Did anybody join us on Zoom?

5310
04:21:55,640 --> 04:22:01,120
» No, there's still no raised hands.

5311
04:21:57,200 --> 04:22:01,120
» Okay, that closes the public hearing.

5312
04:22:01,400 --> 04:22:06,400
Anyone on council have anything to say?

5313
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:09,480
» I'll make a motion to approve.

5314
04:22:06,400 --> 04:22:09,480
» Staff recommendation.

5315
04:22:09,520 --> 04:22:13,480
» I'll second.

5316
04:22:11,840 --> 04:22:14,560
» Anybody opposed?

5317
04:22:13,480 --> 04:22:15,640
All in favor.

5318
04:22:14,560 --> 04:22:18,480
» Aye.

5319
04:22:15,640 --> 04:22:19,960
» Okay, that passes unanimously.

5320
04:22:18,480 --> 04:22:23,280
We could do the same thing again now for

5321
04:22:19,960 --> 04:22:24,760
assessment district 98-3 Malibu Road.

5322
04:22:23,280 --> 04:22:26,360
Please raise your hand in Zoom if you'd

5323
04:22:24,760 --> 04:22:28,720
like to speak on this item and you'll be

5324
04:22:26,360 --> 04:22:30,400
called after the staff report.

5325
04:22:28,720 --> 04:22:32,640
If you're here and you'd like to speak,

5326
04:22:30,400 --> 04:22:35,040
get your card in now. Staff report,

5327
04:22:32,640 --> 04:22:35,040
please.

5328
04:22:36,960 --> 04:22:42,360
» Good evening. This is our last public

5329
04:22:38,840 --> 04:22:43,920
hearing for the assessment districts.

5330
04:22:42,360 --> 04:22:48,160
This is the Malibu Road Assessment

5331
04:22:43,920 --> 04:22:49,800
District 98-3. It too was formed in 1977

5332
04:22:48,160 --> 04:22:53,480
due to heavy winter storms in those

5333
04:22:49,800 --> 04:22:56,720
years and then again was formed in 1998

5334
04:22:53,480 --> 04:22:59,680
as the Malibu Assessment District 98-3

5335
04:22:56,720 --> 04:23:01,600
due to the El Nino storms.

5336
04:22:59,680 --> 04:23:02,600
For the assessments for the new fiscal

5337
04:23:01,600 --> 04:23:05,360
year

5338
04:23:02,600 --> 04:23:07,320
for a single family home classified as

5339
04:23:05,360 --> 04:23:10,320
the letter A, their assessment is

5340
04:23:07,320 --> 04:23:10,320
$1,432.48.

5341
04:23:10,680 --> 04:23:18,360
This is an increase of $47.10.

5342
04:23:14,280 --> 04:23:21,920
For a condominium classified as A, their

5343
04:23:18,360 --> 04:23:21,920
assessment is $1,181.80.

5344
04:23:22,160 --> 04:23:28,080
This is an increase of $38.86.

5345
04:23:26,120 --> 04:23:30,320
And then for a single family home

5346
04:23:28,080 --> 04:23:33,120
classified as B, their assessment is

5347
04:23:30,320 --> 04:23:34,640
$716.24.

5348
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:38,440
This is an increase from the previous

5349
04:23:34,640 --> 04:23:40,840
fiscal year of $23.55.

5350
04:23:38,440 --> 04:23:45,720
And then for the condominiums classified

5351
04:23:40,840 --> 04:23:48,560
as B, their assessment is $465.56.

5352
04:23:45,720 --> 04:23:50,360
This too is an increase of $15.31

5353
04:23:48,560 --> 04:23:52,160
for the new fiscal year.

5354
04:23:50,360 --> 04:23:55,520
This evening we ask that you adopt

5355
04:23:52,160 --> 04:23:57,440
resolution 2631 living levying the

5356
04:23:55,520 --> 04:24:00,600
assessment districts for assessment

5357
04:23:57,440 --> 04:24:01,800
district 98-3 for the new fiscal year.

5358
04:24:00,600 --> 04:24:03,480
» Thank you. Does anybody have any

5359
04:24:01,800 --> 04:24:05,400
questions?

5360
04:24:03,480 --> 04:24:07,920
I have no speaker slips. I assume nobody

5361
04:24:05,400 --> 04:24:09,600
has submitted one. Is anybody on Zoom?

5362
04:24:07,920 --> 04:24:11,560
» No, there are no raised hands in Zoom.

5363
04:24:09,600 --> 04:24:13,240
» That closes the public hearing. Brings

5364
04:24:11,560 --> 04:24:14,240
it back to council. Does anybody have

5365
04:24:13,240 --> 04:24:15,640
anything to say?

5366
04:24:14,240 --> 04:24:16,880
» I'll make a motion to approve staff

5367
04:24:15,640 --> 04:24:18,240
recommendation.

5368
04:24:16,880 --> 04:24:20,320
» Second.

5369
04:24:18,240 --> 04:24:23,560
» Any discussion?

5370
04:24:20,320 --> 04:24:26,280
Anyone opposed? All in favor? I. Okay,

5371
04:24:23,560 --> 04:24:28,040
that unanimously passes.

5372
04:24:26,280 --> 04:24:31,440
Brings us to

5373
04:24:28,040 --> 04:24:33,800
zoning text amendment number 25003,

5374
04:24:31,440 --> 04:24:36,200
an amendment incorporating

5375
04:24:33,800 --> 04:24:38,880
new state law and clarifications to

5376
04:24:36,200 --> 04:24:41,320
title 17 of the Malibu municipal code to

5377
04:24:38,880 --> 04:24:44,120
update regulations related to accessory

5378
04:24:41,320 --> 04:24:46,040
dwelling units. Please raise your hand

5379
04:24:44,120 --> 04:24:47,640
in Zoom if you'd like to speak on this

5380
04:24:46,040 --> 04:24:49,200
item and you'll be called after the

5381
04:24:47,640 --> 04:24:50,520
staff report. And if you're present and

5382
04:24:49,200 --> 04:24:52,320
would like to speak, please get your

5383
04:24:50,520 --> 04:24:54,400
speaker slip in.

5384
04:24:52,320 --> 04:24:55,560
Staff report, please.

5385
04:24:54,400 --> 04:24:57,720
» Good evening, Mayor Silverstein and

5386
04:24:55,560 --> 04:24:59,560
members of the council. This item is an

5387
04:24:57,720 --> 04:25:01,600
update to the city's accessory dwelling

5388
04:24:59,560 --> 04:25:03,200
unit or ADU ordinance.

5389
04:25:01,600 --> 04:25:04,640
I'll briefly go over the purpose,

5390
04:25:03,200 --> 04:25:07,440
proposed amendments, and staff's

5391
04:25:04,640 --> 04:25:10,840
recommendation.

5392
04:25:07,440 --> 04:25:12,600
This update uh brings chapter 17.44 of

5393
04:25:10,840 --> 04:25:14,080
the municipal code into compliance with

5394
04:25:12,600 --> 04:25:16,560
state ADU law

5395
04:25:14,080 --> 04:25:19,680
and addresses two components. First, in

5396
04:25:16,560 --> 04:25:21,240
November 2024, HCD or the California

5397
04:25:19,680 --> 04:25:22,840
Department of Housing and Community

5398
04:25:21,240 --> 04:25:25,120
Development reviewed the city's

5399
04:25:22,840 --> 04:25:26,880
currently adopted ordinance and

5400
04:25:25,120 --> 04:25:28,120
identified 10 items to correct or

5401
04:25:26,880 --> 04:25:29,960
clarify.

5402
04:25:28,120 --> 04:25:31,800
Second, the legislature passed several

5403
04:25:29,960 --> 04:25:33,440
new ADU bills that are required to be

5404
04:25:31,800 --> 04:25:34,480
incorporated.

5405
04:25:33,440 --> 04:25:36,320
The Planning Commission reviewed the

5406
04:25:34,480 --> 04:25:38,800
amendments across three hearings and

5407
04:25:36,320 --> 04:25:41,480
recommended the approval unanimously on

5408
04:25:38,800 --> 04:25:43,120
April 20th.

5409
04:25:41,480 --> 04:25:44,880
As a frame to the amendments, the city

5410
04:25:43,120 --> 04:25:46,920
cannot be more restrictive than state

5411
04:25:44,880 --> 04:25:49,520
law allows, so the discretion is narrow

5412
04:25:46,920 --> 04:25:49,520
in this case.

5413
04:25:49,960 --> 04:25:54,320
The amendments fall into three groups.

5414
04:25:51,840 --> 04:25:56,360
First, HCD compliance items. Um this

5415
04:25:54,320 --> 04:25:57,920
concerns um correcting statutory

5416
04:25:56,360 --> 04:26:00,080
cross-references,

5417
04:25:57,920 --> 04:26:01,560
um fire access language, ADUs on

5418
04:26:00,080 --> 04:26:03,960
multifamily lots, um coastal

5419
04:26:01,560 --> 04:26:06,600
applicability, among others.

5420
04:26:03,960 --> 04:26:08,600
Um and second is new state legislation,

5421
04:26:06,600 --> 04:26:11,120
um addressing um topics like unit

5422
04:26:08,600 --> 04:26:13,480
sizing, processing timelines, um the

5423
04:26:11,120 --> 04:26:17,120
number of detached ADUs on multifamily

5424
04:26:13,480 --> 04:26:19,920
lots, and HCD's enforcement authority.

5425
04:26:17,120 --> 04:26:23,000
Um there's also several local provisions

5426
04:26:19,920 --> 04:26:25,000
um and one clarification. Um tonight's

5427
04:26:23,000 --> 04:26:27,040
amendments only concern the zoning code.

5428
04:26:25,000 --> 04:26:29,600
A corresponding local coastal program

5429
04:26:27,040 --> 04:26:31,840
amendment or LCP will return to the

5430
04:26:29,600 --> 04:26:34,720
council separately for the coastal

5431
04:26:31,840 --> 04:26:34,720
commission process.

5432
04:26:35,480 --> 04:26:38,240
There is a proposed setback exception.

5433
04:26:37,080 --> 04:26:40,080
Again, this is one of those

5434
04:26:38,240 --> 04:26:41,680
discretionary policy choices in front of

5435
04:26:40,080 --> 04:26:44,200
the council tonight. It's specific to

5436
04:26:41,680 --> 04:26:46,480
Malibu. Many beachfront properties

5437
04:26:44,200 --> 04:26:50,240
rebuilding after the Palisades fires are

5438
04:26:46,480 --> 04:26:51,840
only 35 to 40 ft wide. So state law lets

5439
04:26:50,240 --> 04:26:55,040
the rebuilt home keep its original

5440
04:26:51,840 --> 04:26:57,440
setbacks, but an attached ADU would have

5441
04:26:55,040 --> 04:27:00,480
to meet the standard 4-ft side and rear

5442
04:26:57,440 --> 04:27:02,280
setbacks. And this is

5443
04:27:00,480 --> 04:27:04,120
creating some difficulties on these

5444
04:27:02,280 --> 04:27:06,520
narrow beachfront lots

5445
04:27:04,120 --> 04:27:08,400
and often times can make it ADU

5446
04:27:06,520 --> 04:27:10,400
difficult or infeasible.

5447
04:27:08,400 --> 04:27:12,040
The a proposed exception is a

5448
04:27:10,400 --> 04:27:14,280
streamlining measure and lets an

5449
04:27:12,040 --> 04:27:16,200
attached ADU on a beachfront fire

5450
04:27:14,280 --> 04:27:18,680
rebuild match the setback already in

5451
04:27:16,200 --> 04:27:20,480
place for the replacement structure. It

5452
04:27:18,680 --> 04:27:23,160
is deliberately narrow, so it's

5453
04:27:20,480 --> 04:27:24,280
beachfront lots only, attached units

5454
04:27:23,160 --> 04:27:26,360
only,

5455
04:27:24,280 --> 04:27:28,560
and it would not reduce the setback

5456
04:27:26,360 --> 04:27:30,280
beyond the replacement structure. All

5457
04:27:28,560 --> 04:27:32,040
safety standards would continue to apply

5458
04:27:30,280 --> 04:27:34,040
in full force.

5459
04:27:32,040 --> 04:27:36,120
The county fire department and city

5460
04:27:34,040 --> 04:27:37,840
building official must both confirm

5461
04:27:36,120 --> 04:27:39,800
building and fire code compliance,

5462
04:27:37,840 --> 04:27:42,120
including the requirements on openings

5463
04:27:39,800 --> 04:27:43,800
near property lines. All other ADU

5464
04:27:42,120 --> 04:27:46,160
standards would continue to apply as

5465
04:27:43,800 --> 04:27:46,160
well.

5466
04:27:46,240 --> 04:27:50,920
On process this item was noticed in the

5467
04:27:48,320 --> 04:27:52,480
newspaper, on the city's ADU web page,

5468
04:27:50,920 --> 04:27:54,720
and by courtesy email to interested

5469
04:27:52,480 --> 04:27:56,880
parties. Staff has received no public

5470
04:27:54,720 --> 04:27:59,120
comments as of this presentation. The

5471
04:27:56,880 --> 04:28:00,440
ordinance is also exempt from CEQA. With

5472
04:27:59,120 --> 04:28:02,880
that, staff recommends the council

5473
04:28:00,440 --> 04:28:04,520
introduce the ordinance on first reading

5474
04:28:02,880 --> 04:28:07,240
and direct staff to schedule a second

5475
04:28:04,520 --> 04:28:09,160
reading for adoption on June 22nd.

5476
04:28:07,240 --> 04:28:11,520
Following adoption, staff will transmit

5477
04:28:09,160 --> 04:28:13,640
the ordinance to HCD for review as

5478
04:28:11,520 --> 04:28:15,560
required by law.

5479
04:28:13,640 --> 04:28:18,360
» Thank you. Does anybody on council have

5480
04:28:15,560 --> 04:28:20,360
any clarifying questions?

5481
04:28:18,360 --> 04:28:23,520
I have no speaker slips. Is there

5482
04:28:20,360 --> 04:28:23,520
anybody on Zoom?

5483
04:28:24,080 --> 04:28:28,480
» No, there's no raised hands in Zoom.

5484
04:28:26,040 --> 04:28:29,840
» Okay, that closes the public comment and

5485
04:28:28,480 --> 04:28:32,320
the public hearing to the extent that

5486
04:28:29,840 --> 04:28:34,400
that is a hearing.

5487
04:28:32,320 --> 04:28:35,440
Um, excuse me?

5488
04:28:34,400 --> 04:28:36,840
» Um,

5489
04:28:35,440 --> 04:28:39,120
I'm sorry, could

5490
04:28:36,840 --> 04:28:40,600
» We had submitted something via email our

5491
04:28:39,120 --> 04:28:42,400
presentation earlier.

5492
04:28:40,600 --> 04:28:44,000
» Did you submit a speaker slip to speak

5493
04:28:42,400 --> 04:28:46,040
on the item?

5494
04:28:44,000 --> 04:28:46,760
As a blue slip to speak on this item on

5495
04:28:46,040 --> 04:28:49,000
the agenda?

5496
04:28:46,760 --> 04:28:50,760
» Well, I I did, you know, I thought that

5497
04:28:49,000 --> 04:28:52,760
» All right, it sounds like

5498
04:28:50,760 --> 04:28:53,440
a written public comment was submitted.

5499
04:28:52,760 --> 04:28:55,120
Let's move on.

5500
04:28:53,440 --> 04:28:56,800
» I I believe the member submitted a

5501
04:28:55,120 --> 04:28:58,440
PowerPoint intending to present it, but

5502
04:28:56,800 --> 04:28:59,360
we have not received a blue speaker slip

5503
04:28:58,440 --> 04:29:01,000
from them for this item.

5504
04:28:59,360 --> 04:29:03,440
» Yeah, so there's no speaker slip. I I

5505
04:29:01,000 --> 04:29:05,440
So, that closes public comment and or is

5506
04:29:03,440 --> 04:29:06,520
it a hearing or is it just a comment on

5507
04:29:05,440 --> 04:29:08,120
this one?

5508
04:29:06,520 --> 04:29:09,120
» You can close public comments.

5509
04:29:08,120 --> 04:29:10,640
» Excuse me?

5510
04:29:09,120 --> 04:29:12,960
» You can close public comment.

5511
04:29:10,640 --> 04:29:15,520
» Okay, closes public comment. Who on

5512
04:29:12,960 --> 04:29:18,120
council would like to speak about this?

5513
04:29:15,520 --> 04:29:18,120
If anything.

5514
04:29:18,760 --> 04:29:24,400
» I've got one issue, maybe two.

5515
04:29:22,280 --> 04:29:26,400
And it goes back to the safety element

5516
04:29:24,400 --> 04:29:28,280
that we looked at earlier, which I think

5517
04:29:26,400 --> 04:29:30,360
it's now part of our general plan,

5518
04:29:28,280 --> 04:29:31,800
right? And somewhere in this document

5519
04:29:30,360 --> 04:29:34,120
when I read it, it said that, you know,

5520
04:29:31,800 --> 04:29:35,840
this thing is is subject to conditions

5521
04:29:34,120 --> 04:29:38,320
of our general plan.

5522
04:29:35,840 --> 04:29:40,400
And the problem I got is the safety

5523
04:29:38,320 --> 04:29:42,800
element or the original version of the

5524
04:29:40,400 --> 04:29:44,640
safety element said if if there's

5525
04:29:42,800 --> 04:29:46,480
additional development on a street with

5526
04:29:44,640 --> 04:29:48,720
only one access,

5527
04:29:46,480 --> 04:29:50,080
that

5528
04:29:48,720 --> 04:29:52,440
additional development was going to be

5529
04:29:50,080 --> 04:29:54,680
restricted, okay? And I think the reason

5530
04:29:52,440 --> 04:29:56,360
was because, you know, if when the fire

5531
04:29:54,680 --> 04:29:58,400
starts, if we got too many people trying

5532
04:29:56,360 --> 04:30:00,720
to get out of a single access point, the

5533
04:29:58,400 --> 04:30:02,280
chances are we could lose some of them.

5534
04:30:00,720 --> 04:30:03,960
Uh,

5535
04:30:02,280 --> 04:30:07,000
now when the safety element came

5536
04:30:03,960 --> 04:30:08,840
forward, they changed that, okay? Uh,

5537
04:30:07,000 --> 04:30:11,520
they they

5538
04:30:08,840 --> 04:30:13,560
agreed Well, let me go back.

5539
04:30:11,520 --> 04:30:15,440
And and when we did the safety element,

5540
04:30:13,560 --> 04:30:19,040
for some reason the council or the

5541
04:30:15,440 --> 04:30:20,400
decided that ADUs do not do not I should

5542
04:30:19,040 --> 04:30:21,920
not be considered as additional

5543
04:30:20,400 --> 04:30:23,240
development. Now, I don't know how you

5544
04:30:21,920 --> 04:30:26,200
get to that point. If I'm if I'm

5545
04:30:23,240 --> 04:30:28,640
building an apartment building, I got 50

5546
04:30:26,200 --> 04:30:30,680
people there. If I build 50 ADUs, I got

5547
04:30:28,640 --> 04:30:32,760
the same problem I had with putting them

5548
04:30:30,680 --> 04:30:34,880
all in one building. So, it seems to me

5549
04:30:32,760 --> 04:30:36,800
that there is there is an issue there.

5550
04:30:34,880 --> 04:30:39,680
So, what the staff did is two things.

5551
04:30:36,800 --> 04:30:42,520
One, they ignored when they when they

5552
04:30:39,680 --> 04:30:44,440
talked about in egress from the sing a

5553
04:30:42,520 --> 04:30:46,040
street with a single

5554
04:30:44,440 --> 04:30:48,120
uh

5555
04:30:46,040 --> 04:30:50,600
way to get in and out, they totally

5556
04:30:48,120 --> 04:30:52,160
ignored the ADUs.

5557
04:30:50,600 --> 04:30:54,040
And then, the second thing they did was

5558
04:30:52,160 --> 04:30:56,360
was suggest that if if there's going to

5559
04:30:54,040 --> 04:30:58,320
be a restriction of whether they could

5560
04:30:56,360 --> 04:31:01,120
build or not build on that street, they

5561
04:30:58,320 --> 04:31:02,640
turned it over to the fire department.

5562
04:31:01,120 --> 04:31:04,240
Which if if you remember the last

5563
04:31:02,640 --> 04:31:06,840
meeting we had with the Heather Cliff

5564
04:31:04,240 --> 04:31:08,600
property, the fire department didn't

5565
04:31:06,840 --> 04:31:09,960
even come and look at the damn thing.

5566
04:31:08,600 --> 04:31:11,760
All right? So, we they had you know,

5567
04:31:09,960 --> 04:31:13,600
they get I get no idea what how they're

5568
04:31:11,760 --> 04:31:15,160
going to work with this one. I think if

5569
04:31:13,600 --> 04:31:17,320
I went to the staff and asked them what

5570
04:31:15,160 --> 04:31:19,120
conditions they put in place with the

5571
04:31:17,320 --> 04:31:21,480
fire department to decide whether they

5572
04:31:19,120 --> 04:31:23,520
could or could not do the building. I

5573
04:31:21,480 --> 04:31:24,640
don't think we asked them that question.

5574
04:31:23,520 --> 04:31:26,000
I think we just went to the fire

5575
04:31:24,640 --> 04:31:28,640
department and said, "You guys take care

5576
04:31:26,000 --> 04:31:30,360
of it." And that causes me a problem.

5577
04:31:28,640 --> 04:31:32,040
I mean, cuz the fire department is not

5578
04:31:30,360 --> 04:31:34,120
we they they demonstrated they're not

5579
04:31:32,040 --> 04:31:35,720
reliable in terms of going out and

5580
04:31:34,120 --> 04:31:38,240
making decisions that are going to

5581
04:31:35,720 --> 04:31:40,360
impact the safety of our residents. And

5582
04:31:38,240 --> 04:31:42,480
I'm I'm coming back to the To me, the

5583
04:31:40,360 --> 04:31:43,960
fire issue is the big one.

5584
04:31:42,480 --> 04:31:46,160
Look, I mean, we know we're going to get

5585
04:31:43,960 --> 04:31:46,920
additional fires. We know that we you

5586
04:31:46,160 --> 04:31:48,760
know,

5587
04:31:46,920 --> 04:31:50,960
and we lost people on Big Rock with the

5588
04:31:48,760 --> 04:31:52,360
fires because they couldn't get out one

5589
04:31:50,960 --> 04:31:53,640
way. So,

5590
04:31:52,360 --> 04:31:55,640
you know, at least if I were going to

5591
04:31:53,640 --> 04:31:59,320
air, I'd air on the side of caution that

5592
04:31:55,640 --> 04:32:00,800
says, "If if you want

5593
04:31:59,320 --> 04:32:02,640
to building ADUs and they're on a

5594
04:32:00,800 --> 04:32:04,480
one-way street, someone should make a

5595
04:32:02,640 --> 04:32:06,080
determination and it can be the staff

5596
04:32:04,480 --> 04:32:07,840
working with the fire department, not

5597
04:32:06,080 --> 04:32:10,000
the fire department alone, whether you

5598
04:32:07,840 --> 04:32:12,120
can put the ADUs there, but make that

5599
04:32:10,000 --> 04:32:14,160
decision based upon whether those ADUs

5600
04:32:12,120 --> 04:32:16,320
are going to a negative impact on people

5601
04:32:14,160 --> 04:32:17,200
trying to get out during a fire.

5602
04:32:16,320 --> 04:32:18,640
Now, I don't know if we wanted to do

5603
04:32:17,200 --> 04:32:20,000
that. I mean, I'm I'm going to We're

5604
04:32:18,640 --> 04:32:21,600
going to bring back the safety element,

5605
04:32:20,000 --> 04:32:23,920
I think, at some point in time. So, I'm

5606
04:32:21,600 --> 04:32:25,640
wait I'll wait to make the argument

5607
04:32:23,920 --> 04:32:27,600
there. If we want to argue do it

5608
04:32:25,640 --> 04:32:28,960
tonight, I'll do it tonight. But, I do

5609
04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:30,960
think that's an issue that I got a

5610
04:32:28,960 --> 04:32:32,680
concern with. Uh you know, we're we're

5611
04:32:30,960 --> 04:32:35,760
risking people's lives, and that's not

5612
04:32:32,680 --> 04:32:35,760
what we're supposed to be doing.

5613
04:32:36,080 --> 04:32:39,480
That's my comment.

5614
04:32:38,240 --> 04:32:40,760
» Do you have a question for the staff, or

5615
04:32:39,480 --> 04:32:41,400
is it just a comment?

5616
04:32:40,760 --> 04:32:42,720
» Uh

5617
04:32:41,400 --> 04:32:44,800
I think

5618
04:32:42,720 --> 04:32:45,360
I think safety having a comment back on

5619
04:32:44,800 --> 04:32:47,160
there.

5620
04:32:45,360 --> 04:32:49,720
» Yes. Uh thank you, Council Member

5621
04:32:47,160 --> 04:32:50,960
Yeargin. Um Tyler Eaton, our Assistant

5622
04:32:49,720 --> 04:32:53,480
Community Development Director, is

5623
04:32:50,960 --> 04:32:57,760
online, and he is going to

5624
04:32:53,480 --> 04:32:57,760
uh provide you with uh comments.

5625
04:32:57,800 --> 04:33:01,640
» Mayor and Council, can you hear me okay?

5626
04:33:00,440 --> 04:33:03,840
» Got you, Tyler.

5627
04:33:01,640 --> 04:33:05,961
» Okay. Sorry, I'm battling a cold, so

5628
04:33:03,840 --> 04:33:06,641
forgive me for not being there tonight.

5629
04:33:05,961 --> 04:33:08,961
Um

5630
04:33:06,641 --> 04:33:10,920
yeah, uh Mayor Pro Tem, understood. Hear

5631
04:33:08,961 --> 04:33:13,721
you completely, and you did make those

5632
04:33:10,920 --> 04:33:14,760
comments for the safety element. So, uh

5633
04:33:13,721 --> 04:33:16,600
those are well understood, and we're

5634
04:33:14,760 --> 04:33:18,080
going to try to address those

5635
04:33:16,600 --> 04:33:19,680
uh when we come back on some of the

5636
04:33:18,080 --> 04:33:23,320
general plan amendments.

5637
04:33:19,680 --> 04:33:25,000
Um but, speaking directly to um

5638
04:33:23,320 --> 04:33:27,680
the ADUs,

5639
04:33:25,000 --> 04:33:30,160
if you recall, we did try to press

5640
04:33:27,680 --> 04:33:32,119
forward with the state um

5641
04:33:30,160 --> 04:33:35,240
the two means of egress argument. That

5642
04:33:32,119 --> 04:33:38,279
was rejected. Trevor can attest to

5643
04:33:35,240 --> 04:33:40,240
uh the many meetings we've had with HCD

5644
04:33:38,279 --> 04:33:43,199
trying to get through the two means of

5645
04:33:40,240 --> 04:33:44,439
egress. We also settled with um

5646
04:33:43,199 --> 04:33:45,320
um

5647
04:33:44,439 --> 04:33:46,760
What was the other one, Trevor, we

5648
04:33:45,320 --> 04:33:48,680
settled with? Those two means of egress

5649
04:33:46,760 --> 04:33:51,000
and um

5650
04:33:48,680 --> 04:33:53,561
another one related to access that that

5651
04:33:51,000 --> 04:33:54,801
both were were were basically rejected,

5652
04:33:53,561 --> 04:33:56,840
and they told us basically we have to

5653
04:33:54,801 --> 04:33:58,240
just rely on fire code for ADUs

5654
04:33:56,840 --> 04:33:59,881
specifically.

5655
04:33:58,240 --> 04:34:01,641
» When did we make those requests to the

5656
04:33:59,881 --> 04:34:03,039
to the state, or were were made before

5657
04:34:01,641 --> 04:34:05,359
the Paradise Stage fire, or after the

5658
04:34:03,039 --> 04:34:08,721
Paradise Stage fire?

5659
04:34:05,359 --> 04:34:10,080
» Uh uh before and and during. So, um

5660
04:34:08,721 --> 04:34:12,279
before the policy as far as the first

5661
04:34:10,080 --> 04:34:14,320
ADU ordinance and then um since the

5662
04:34:12,279 --> 04:34:16,160
policy as far as we've had many meetings

5663
04:34:14,320 --> 04:34:19,359
with HCD where they've kind of held

5664
04:34:16,160 --> 04:34:20,641
firm. We have sent in a letter to HCD. I

5665
04:34:19,359 --> 04:34:22,641
think it's attached to your packet,

5666
04:34:20,641 --> 04:34:25,000
Patrick, if uh it's in this one or was

5667
04:34:22,641 --> 04:34:28,039
in the planning commission one where we

5668
04:34:25,000 --> 04:34:31,119
laid out our arguments to HCD and they

5669
04:34:28,039 --> 04:34:32,320
still were holding firm that you know,

5670
04:34:31,119 --> 04:34:34,119
they have they haven't allowed any

5671
04:34:32,320 --> 04:34:36,039
jurisdiction to use that argument uh

5672
04:34:34,119 --> 04:34:37,279
regarding two means of egress to reject

5673
04:34:36,039 --> 04:34:38,840
an ADU.

5674
04:34:37,279 --> 04:34:40,119
» My understanding is the county does it.

5675
04:34:38,840 --> 04:34:41,961
In the county, you've got to have they

5676
04:34:40,119 --> 04:34:44,320
can they can restrict

5677
04:34:41,961 --> 04:34:47,119
ADUs if there's only one way's access

5678
04:34:44,320 --> 04:34:48,840
out of it of street. Ain't that correct?

5679
04:34:47,119 --> 04:34:50,721
» The county did attempt that as well, but

5680
04:34:48,840 --> 04:34:52,520
their their ADU ordinance has been

5681
04:34:50,721 --> 04:34:54,561
rejected from what I understand, too.

5682
04:34:52,520 --> 04:34:56,439
So, that portion of their ordinance has

5683
04:34:54,561 --> 04:34:58,039
not been certified by HCD as far as I

5684
04:34:56,439 --> 04:34:59,359
understand.

5685
04:34:58,039 --> 04:35:01,119
» I got to go back I thought cuz I thought

5686
04:34:59,359 --> 04:35:03,080
I read something that had them, but I'll

5687
04:35:01,119 --> 04:35:04,320
go back and check that. We can We can

5688
04:35:03,080 --> 04:35:06,320
bring it back when you get to the safety

5689
04:35:04,320 --> 04:35:08,119
element. But, I do think it's Look, it's

5690
04:35:06,320 --> 04:35:10,119
an it's an issue.

5691
04:35:08,119 --> 04:35:11,160
I mean, again, at the very least, we

5692
04:35:10,119 --> 04:35:12,801
should be working with the fire

5693
04:35:11,160 --> 04:35:14,520
department and understanding what

5694
04:35:12,801 --> 04:35:15,961
criteria they're going to use if they're

5695
04:35:14,520 --> 04:35:18,240
going to make that decision. Are they

5696
04:35:15,961 --> 04:35:20,520
going to show up? In the Heather Court

5697
04:35:18,240 --> 04:35:21,680
with property, I don't think the

5698
04:35:20,520 --> 04:35:23,600
fire guy, whoever made the

5699
04:35:21,680 --> 04:35:24,840
recommendation, even went to the street

5700
04:35:23,600 --> 04:35:26,039
to look at it.

5701
04:35:24,840 --> 04:35:27,881
I mean, that's that what we should be

5702
04:35:26,039 --> 04:35:30,400
doing. We're supposed to be protecting

5703
04:35:27,881 --> 04:35:33,439
the residents, especially in in a in a

5704
04:35:30,400 --> 04:35:34,680
high, you know, fire zone. Uh so, I just

5705
04:35:33,439 --> 04:35:36,439
don't trust the fire department in the

5706
04:35:34,680 --> 04:35:38,199
way that we the relationship we have

5707
04:35:36,439 --> 04:35:39,439
with them right now on these issues that

5708
04:35:38,199 --> 04:35:41,400
they're going to do what they have to do

5709
04:35:39,439 --> 04:35:44,199
to protect them. So,

5710
04:35:41,400 --> 04:35:46,119
somehow figure that one out, too.

5711
04:35:44,199 --> 04:35:48,520
» So, I I'd like to understand more about

5712
04:35:46,119 --> 04:35:49,561
this certification issue because, you

5713
04:35:48,520 --> 04:35:51,680
know,

5714
04:35:49,561 --> 04:35:54,680
it in the normal course,

5715
04:35:51,680 --> 04:35:57,080
a city adopts a law or a state does,

5716
04:35:54,680 --> 04:35:58,600
whatever. You adopt a law and it either

5717
04:35:57,080 --> 04:36:00,920
exceeds

5718
04:35:58,600 --> 04:36:02,680
your authority or it doesn't. And in in

5719
04:36:00,920 --> 04:36:04,881
this case, we've got a state law, so

5720
04:36:02,680 --> 04:36:06,520
which preempts us. It It sets the

5721
04:36:04,881 --> 04:36:08,561
parameters, but we might have a

5722
04:36:06,520 --> 04:36:10,119
different view than HCD on what we're

5723
04:36:08,561 --> 04:36:11,840
allowed to do under the state law than

5724
04:36:10,119 --> 04:36:13,520
they do. And in the ordinary course, you

5725
04:36:11,840 --> 04:36:15,240
would adopt the law you think is right.

5726
04:36:13,520 --> 04:36:17,359
And if somebody wants to say that

5727
04:36:15,240 --> 04:36:19,520
there's an unenforceable provision, they

5728
04:36:17,359 --> 04:36:21,279
can challenge it in court. And if it's

5729
04:36:19,520 --> 04:36:24,240
unenforceable, it's not part of the law.

5730
04:36:21,279 --> 04:36:26,520
And if it's enforceable, it is.

5731
04:36:24,240 --> 04:36:29,881
Um but here we're we have to ask an

5732
04:36:26,520 --> 04:36:31,721
agency to permit us to go forward with

5733
04:36:29,881 --> 04:36:33,641
our statute in order for it to be

5734
04:36:31,721 --> 04:36:36,561
effective. That That Is that Is that

5735
04:36:33,641 --> 04:36:36,561
what I'm understanding?

5736
04:36:36,801 --> 04:36:42,279
» Practice from HCD on many of their

5737
04:36:39,840 --> 04:36:45,760
requirements, whether it be a housing

5738
04:36:42,279 --> 04:36:47,600
element update or certain laws requires

5739
04:36:45,760 --> 04:36:48,561
them to certify that there's compliance

5740
04:36:47,600 --> 04:36:50,840
with their expectations.

5741
04:36:48,561 --> 04:36:52,439
» Consequence if we want to do something

5742
04:36:50,840 --> 04:36:54,439
and we're actually right under state law

5743
04:36:52,439 --> 04:36:56,961
about the ability to do it, but HCD

5744
04:36:54,439 --> 04:36:59,400
won't certify it?

5745
04:36:56,961 --> 04:37:00,760
» Well, I they can have uh

5746
04:36:59,400 --> 04:37:02,039
Tyler, I'll take a got first attempt,

5747
04:37:00,760 --> 04:37:05,039
then you can jump in. But I mean, there

5748
04:37:02,039 --> 04:37:06,920
there can be consequences for grants.

5749
04:37:05,039 --> 04:37:08,480
Um

5750
04:37:06,920 --> 04:37:10,721
that's one experience I've I've

5751
04:37:08,480 --> 04:37:12,039
witnessed in the past. But what else you

5752
04:37:10,721 --> 04:37:13,961
got, Tyler?

5753
04:37:12,039 --> 04:37:17,039
» Definitely. And And also, I would say

5754
04:37:13,961 --> 04:37:18,199
that um a lot of times uh arguments can

5755
04:37:17,039 --> 04:37:20,199
be made that if you don't have a

5756
04:37:18,199 --> 04:37:21,801
certified ADU ordinance, for example,

5757
04:37:20,199 --> 04:37:23,520
then you have to default to state law.

5758
04:37:21,801 --> 04:37:25,801
And in this case, we do meet state law,

5759
04:37:23,520 --> 04:37:27,600
but it's a Malibu tailored ordinance.

5760
04:37:25,801 --> 04:37:30,279
For example, state law allows up to

5761
04:37:27,600 --> 04:37:32,279
1,200 square feet. If you recall, we

5762
04:37:30,279 --> 04:37:34,480
limited ours to 1,000. And so, it's

5763
04:37:32,279 --> 04:37:37,279
important for us to have a certified ADU

5764
04:37:34,480 --> 04:37:40,000
ordinance so that we um

5765
04:37:37,279 --> 04:37:41,000
can can can uh adhere to our law and not

5766
04:37:40,000 --> 04:37:43,600
the state's.

5767
04:37:41,000 --> 04:37:45,721
» Can we have a certified state ADU

5768
04:37:43,600 --> 04:37:47,881
ordinance and then also separately have

5769
04:37:45,721 --> 04:37:49,961
a another ordinance that's not certified

5770
04:37:47,881 --> 04:37:51,279
that puts further restrictions on it if

5771
04:37:49,961 --> 04:37:53,801
we believe that those restrictions are

5772
04:37:51,279 --> 04:37:53,801
lawful?

5773
04:37:55,359 --> 04:37:57,840
» Trevor, you want to take that one?

5774
04:37:56,320 --> 04:37:59,439
» Well, you would be effectively amending

5775
04:37:57,840 --> 04:38:00,840
the ADU statute, so it would technically

5776
04:37:59,439 --> 04:38:02,760
have to go to HCD. I think they put

5777
04:38:00,840 --> 04:38:04,760
through a provision, didn't they in the

5778
04:38:02,760 --> 04:38:07,320
last round, Tyler, that if it doesn't

5779
04:38:04,760 --> 04:38:10,279
get certified by HCD, then you default

5780
04:38:07,320 --> 04:38:10,920
on all provisions to state law?

5781
04:38:10,279 --> 04:38:13,600
» Yes.

5782
04:38:10,920 --> 04:38:15,439
» So, there would be consequences, you

5783
04:38:13,600 --> 04:38:17,520
know, to us if if we do have a

5784
04:38:15,439 --> 04:38:18,641
non-compliant version. The other option

5785
04:38:17,520 --> 04:38:20,439
would be, of course, you could go to

5786
04:38:18,641 --> 04:38:22,520
court, you know, and seek an injunction

5787
04:38:20,439 --> 04:38:24,199
or seek declaratory relief about a

5788
04:38:22,520 --> 04:38:26,240
provision. There's a cost involved in

5789
04:38:24,199 --> 04:38:28,199
that, that's why it's not often done in

5790
04:38:26,240 --> 04:38:29,840
the policies that have been pushed

5791
04:38:28,199 --> 04:38:31,480
forward by the courts have shown

5792
04:38:29,840 --> 04:38:33,961
deference to HCD. It's been difficult

5793
04:38:31,480 --> 04:38:35,279
for jurisdictions to seek to restrict

5794
04:38:33,961 --> 04:38:37,080
ADUs. Right, Councilman?

5795
04:38:35,279 --> 04:38:40,240
» Well, I'll tell you where I am on this

5796
04:38:37,080 --> 04:38:41,320
is I don't like the fact that we can't

5797
04:38:40,240 --> 04:38:44,119
um

5798
04:38:41,320 --> 04:38:46,801
limit these to areas that have at least

5799
04:38:44,119 --> 04:38:49,240
two forms of ingress and egress.

5800
04:38:46,801 --> 04:38:52,160
Steve, you and I lost that battle two

5801
04:38:49,240 --> 04:38:53,320
years ago before a one-person different

5802
04:38:52,160 --> 04:38:53,721
City Council.

5803
04:38:53,320 --> 04:38:56,119
» Right.

5804
04:38:53,721 --> 04:38:58,961
» So, whether it would be worth having the

5805
04:38:56,119 --> 04:39:00,240
battle again today is unknown.

5806
04:38:58,961 --> 04:39:01,400
» Well, it's just the Palisades fire

5807
04:39:00,240 --> 04:39:03,000
showed up in the year room.

5808
04:39:01,400 --> 04:39:04,119
» But that's right. Now, I I understand

5809
04:39:03,000 --> 04:39:06,320
the fact The facts are

5810
04:39:04,119 --> 04:39:07,721
» And you learn some The Palisades We lost

5811
04:39:06,320 --> 04:39:08,600
people in the big rock cuz they couldn't

5812
04:39:07,721 --> 04:39:10,881
get out.

5813
04:39:08,600 --> 04:39:12,520
» So, the question is, I guess, for Helen,

5814
04:39:10,881 --> 04:39:14,680
are you Do you want to engage in this

5815
04:39:12,520 --> 04:39:17,119
debate anew, or should we just stick

5816
04:39:14,680 --> 04:39:20,039
with where we are because otherwise we

5817
04:39:17,119 --> 04:39:23,721
already had this discussion and decided

5818
04:39:20,039 --> 04:39:25,641
that we could not restrict ADUs to

5819
04:39:23,721 --> 04:39:27,721
neighborhoods that had the streets that

5820
04:39:25,641 --> 04:39:30,840
had two forms of ingress and egress.

5821
04:39:27,721 --> 04:39:32,561
» Well, um we have council members that

5822
04:39:30,840 --> 04:39:34,641
might have changed their tunes after

5823
04:39:32,561 --> 04:39:36,520
Palisades as well. I don't want to speak

5824
04:39:34,641 --> 04:39:38,920
for anybody else. I have no idea, to be

5825
04:39:36,520 --> 04:39:41,720
honest with you. Um I I don't think it's

5826
04:39:38,920 --> 04:39:44,440
smart to add density to roads that we

5827
04:39:41,720 --> 04:39:47,120
know are dead ends, but I also don't

5828
04:39:44,440 --> 04:39:50,680
really have the appetite to go into some

5829
04:39:47,120 --> 04:39:53,880
war with the state about it. Um

5830
04:39:50,680 --> 04:39:56,040
So, what exactly are you asking?

5831
04:39:53,880 --> 04:39:58,280
Of of us, of me?

5832
04:39:56,040 --> 04:39:59,600
To

5833
04:39:58,280 --> 04:40:01,200
» I'm just not sure where we want to go

5834
04:39:59,600 --> 04:40:03,600
with this. I mean, if we if we adopt

5835
04:40:01,200 --> 04:40:04,040
this, we're conceding the point.

5836
04:40:03,600 --> 04:40:05,560
» Right.

5837
04:40:04,040 --> 04:40:07,240
» Right. I mean, I'm not sure how we can

5838
04:40:05,560 --> 04:40:10,920
change it in a safety element if we've

5839
04:40:07,240 --> 04:40:13,480
already conceded the point in a statute.

5840
04:40:10,920 --> 04:40:15,720
» Malibu is made up of one roads. I mean,

5841
04:40:13,480 --> 04:40:16,160
they're all dead ends in

5842
04:40:15,720 --> 04:40:17,920
» Yeah.

5843
04:40:16,160 --> 04:40:19,720
» So, what basically we're saying is let's

5844
04:40:17,920 --> 04:40:21,360
just restrict

5845
04:40:19,720 --> 04:40:24,200
» No, what I'm saying is

5846
04:40:21,360 --> 04:40:26,360
if if there there are I have no problem

5847
04:40:24,200 --> 04:40:27,840
if somebody with with knowledge and

5848
04:40:26,360 --> 04:40:29,640
understands what they're talking about

5849
04:40:27,840 --> 04:40:31,840
looks at a road and says it's okay to

5850
04:40:29,640 --> 04:40:33,440
put ADUs there, it's not going to cause

5851
04:40:31,840 --> 04:40:35,240
anybody a problem, I have no problem

5852
04:40:33,440 --> 04:40:37,480
with them doing that. I just have a

5853
04:40:35,240 --> 04:40:39,200
problem with we absolutely decide we're

5854
04:40:37,480 --> 04:40:40,440
going to do anything about it. All

5855
04:40:39,200 --> 04:40:41,560
right? I mean, cuz there are some roads

5856
04:40:40,440 --> 04:40:42,040
you can't get out of.

5857
04:40:41,560 --> 04:40:43,400
» Mhm.

5858
04:40:42,040 --> 04:40:45,160
» And you know, if there's there's a fire,

5859
04:40:43,400 --> 04:40:46,240
we're going to lose a few people.

5860
04:40:45,160 --> 04:40:48,280
» Steve, it seems to me you're making a

5861
04:40:46,240 --> 04:40:49,720
more nuanced argument than we had 2

5862
04:40:48,280 --> 04:40:52,200
years ago, which was 2 years ago the

5863
04:40:49,720 --> 04:40:54,600
question was, do we restrict them to

5864
04:40:52,200 --> 04:40:56,960
streets that have two ways in and out?

5865
04:40:54,600 --> 04:40:59,360
Now you're saying, okay, I accept the

5866
04:40:56,960 --> 04:40:59,920
fact that we have to permit it if it's

5867
04:40:59,360 --> 04:41:01,440
safe.

5868
04:40:59,920 --> 04:41:03,680
» Be some places that are safer than

5869
04:41:01,440 --> 04:41:05,360
» A block-by-block determination made when

5870
04:41:03,680 --> 04:41:06,720
an ADU is sought to be built, right?

5871
04:41:05,360 --> 04:41:07,800
» There's got to be some some rules or

5872
04:41:06,720 --> 04:41:09,200
something we're going to use to

5873
04:41:07,800 --> 04:41:11,200
determine whether it's safe or not.

5874
04:41:09,200 --> 04:41:12,920
That's all. And if those rules apply,

5875
04:41:11,200 --> 04:41:13,880
then then build it. They don't apply,

5876
04:41:12,920 --> 04:41:15,640
you can't build it.

5877
04:41:13,880 --> 04:41:18,440
» Tyler, has that nuance been considered

5878
04:41:15,640 --> 04:41:20,400
by HCD?

5879
04:41:18,440 --> 04:41:22,040
» So, yeah, we've we've tried multiple

5880
04:41:20,400 --> 04:41:24,680
projects, maybe not that ex- specific

5881
04:41:22,040 --> 04:41:26,800
one. They keep defaulting to just rely

5882
04:41:24,680 --> 04:41:28,240
on fire code. They just want us to rely

5883
04:41:26,800 --> 04:41:29,960
on fire code.

5884
04:41:28,240 --> 04:41:31,760
Um we can always come back with more if

5885
04:41:29,960 --> 04:41:33,440
you guys want us to. Uh it's been a

5886
04:41:31,760 --> 04:41:36,120
losing battle so far is all all I can

5887
04:41:33,440 --> 04:41:39,960
say. We we've tried different angles.

5888
04:41:36,120 --> 04:41:41,480
» Maybe as the mayor you want to try

5889
04:41:39,960 --> 04:41:43,680
with HCD.

5890
04:41:41,480 --> 04:41:43,680
Um

5891
04:41:44,160 --> 04:41:48,200
I don't I mean, what do other one-way

5892
04:41:46,200 --> 04:41:50,400
ins and one-way outs in high fire

5893
04:41:48,200 --> 04:41:51,680
severity zones do? There's got to be

5894
04:41:50,400 --> 04:41:53,120
other ones.

5895
04:41:51,680 --> 04:41:56,280
» Or maybe there's not.

5896
04:41:53,120 --> 04:41:57,560
» Well, no, like meaning other cities.

5897
04:41:56,280 --> 04:41:59,200
That are built in the Santa Monica

5898
04:41:57,560 --> 04:42:00,160
Mountains. Kind of

5899
04:41:59,200 --> 04:42:00,960
» Unique. Okay.

5900
04:42:00,160 --> 04:42:02,760
» That's

5901
04:42:00,960 --> 04:42:05,160
That's the county.

5902
04:42:02,760 --> 04:42:07,080
» Oh, what do they do? What do their ADU

5903
04:42:05,160 --> 04:42:07,920
» Tyler just said they got rejected.

5904
04:42:07,080 --> 04:42:09,520
» Mhm.

5905
04:42:07,920 --> 04:42:12,440
Mhm. And if the worst thing we get

5906
04:42:09,520 --> 04:42:13,000
rejected, we don't want to get rejected.

5907
04:42:12,440 --> 04:42:14,720
» I don't know what we do.

5908
04:42:13,000 --> 04:42:15,720
» Rejection hurts.

5909
04:42:14,720 --> 04:42:16,720
» I don't have a rejection to

5910
04:42:15,720 --> 04:42:19,240
» I'm just kidding. I don't care about

5911
04:42:16,720 --> 04:42:22,520
rejection. But um we don't really want

5912
04:42:19,240 --> 04:42:24,160
to get our our ADU ordinance rejected.

5913
04:42:22,520 --> 04:42:25,040
» I'm not saying we got to get we That's

5914
04:42:24,160 --> 04:42:26,400
what we're saying we have to get

5915
04:42:25,040 --> 04:42:27,760
rejected. I'm not saying we have to get

5916
04:42:26,400 --> 04:42:29,560
rejected. I'm saying we should be

5917
04:42:27,760 --> 04:42:31,800
somehow make the argument that said,

5918
04:42:29,560 --> 04:42:33,720
"Look, we can lose people's lives.

5919
04:42:31,800 --> 04:42:35,880
People will die if they get on a street

5920
04:42:33,720 --> 04:42:37,760
and they can't get out in a fire."

5921
04:42:35,880 --> 04:42:39,840
Right? I mean, that's

5922
04:42:37,760 --> 04:42:41,800
And we saw that in Big Rock. Now, you

5923
04:42:39,840 --> 04:42:44,320
want to see more of that? Then just do

5924
04:42:41,800 --> 04:42:46,360
nothing. At least we should fight if we

5925
04:42:44,320 --> 04:42:49,040
if we are concerned with the safety of

5926
04:42:46,360 --> 04:42:51,480
the residents in a fire zone, we should

5927
04:42:49,040 --> 04:42:52,880
we should be serious about that and do

5928
04:42:51,480 --> 04:42:54,880
what we can to try and protect them.

5929
04:42:52,880 --> 04:42:56,480
That's my whole point. Are we under a

5930
04:42:54,880 --> 04:42:57,960
current deadline? Is this time

5931
04:42:56,480 --> 04:43:01,120
sensitive?

5932
04:42:57,960 --> 04:43:03,760
» Yes. But this I would suggest that if

5933
04:43:01,120 --> 04:43:05,000
you want to consider this issue, you

5934
04:43:03,760 --> 04:43:07,240
you know, it can be brought back as a

5935
04:43:05,000 --> 04:43:09,520
report on this particular issue about

5936
04:43:07,240 --> 04:43:11,360
the ingress and egress or staff can get

5937
04:43:09,520 --> 04:43:13,840
direction to push it HCD again, but I

5938
04:43:11,360 --> 04:43:16,840
would suggest that you do adopt this to

5939
04:43:13,840 --> 04:43:19,080
avoid being under default state law and

5940
04:43:16,840 --> 04:43:21,200
to have a compliant

5941
04:43:19,080 --> 04:43:22,480
ADU ordinance

5942
04:43:21,200 --> 04:43:23,960
moving forward. If you want to try to

5943
04:43:22,480 --> 04:43:26,040
adjust it, you can always try to adjust

5944
04:43:23,960 --> 04:43:28,040
your ordinance in the future.

5945
04:43:26,040 --> 04:43:30,320
» How do we bring it back to do that?

5946
04:43:28,040 --> 04:43:32,880
» Would you bring it back to do that?

5947
04:43:30,320 --> 04:43:35,600
» I'm just Look, if if we just pass it and

5948
04:43:32,880 --> 04:43:37,960
let it go, it's it's done. Right? And

5949
04:43:35,600 --> 04:43:39,440
this topic will not come back again. I

5950
04:43:37,960 --> 04:43:41,800
think it's an important enough topic

5951
04:43:39,440 --> 04:43:43,440
that we should at least consider it.

5952
04:43:41,800 --> 04:43:44,520
» We can I mean, you could push this

5953
04:43:43,440 --> 04:43:46,680
forward and you could bring back a

5954
04:43:44,520 --> 04:43:48,080
report to consider initiating an

5955
04:43:46,680 --> 04:43:49,960
amendment to make the change that you're

5956
04:43:48,080 --> 04:43:51,960
talking about and have a and have a

5957
04:43:49,960 --> 04:43:54,200
report from staff on that.

5958
04:43:51,960 --> 04:43:56,560
» If our safety element's been um

5959
04:43:54,200 --> 04:44:00,720
approved, cuz that's another element.

5960
04:43:56,560 --> 04:44:01,840
» Um and in that report it did say

5961
04:44:00,720 --> 04:44:03,840
I mean

5962
04:44:01,840 --> 04:44:07,440
» I paraphrase, but like think twice about

5963
04:44:03,840 --> 04:44:09,160
building on one way ins and outs.

5964
04:44:07,440 --> 04:44:11,400
It did, I thought. Didn't it?

5965
04:44:09,160 --> 04:44:13,760
» Yeah, for it was a Tyler, I believe in

5966
04:44:11,400 --> 04:44:15,600
the safety element it was for like a new

5967
04:44:13,760 --> 04:44:16,520
um development of multiple lots.

5968
04:44:15,600 --> 04:44:18,920
» Right. Subdivision.

5969
04:44:16,520 --> 04:44:19,800
» Yeah, subdivision. I thought it was

5970
04:44:18,920 --> 04:44:21,360
Yeah.

5971
04:44:19,800 --> 04:44:23,520
» What All right, let me ask this again as

5972
04:44:21,360 --> 04:44:26,960
cuz I'm not sure I got a direct answer.

5973
04:44:23,520 --> 04:44:29,640
Um if we were to adopt this proposal,

5974
04:44:26,960 --> 04:44:33,000
which does which ought to satisfy HCD

5975
04:44:29,640 --> 04:44:34,760
the way it is, and they certify it,

5976
04:44:33,000 --> 04:44:38,560
can we then

5977
04:44:34,760 --> 04:44:41,560
adopt a stand-alone piece of legislation

5978
04:44:38,560 --> 04:44:43,160
which adds an additional restriction,

5979
04:44:41,560 --> 04:44:45,440
and who cares whether they certify that

5980
04:44:43,160 --> 04:44:48,320
one or not? We we have it and we seek to

5981
04:44:45,440 --> 04:44:50,080
enforce it if we think it's lawful.

5982
04:44:48,320 --> 04:44:51,800
» You [snorts] mean we it's this is our

5983
04:44:50,080 --> 04:44:55,360
zoning code. We can go and, you know,

5984
04:44:51,800 --> 04:44:57,280
amend our our zoning code. Um and if you

5985
04:44:55,360 --> 04:44:59,000
do that, you

5986
04:44:57,280 --> 04:45:01,600
and we're amending the ADU ordinance, we

5987
04:44:59,000 --> 04:45:03,560
could run into um issues that they could

5988
04:45:01,600 --> 04:45:05,120
decertify us, you know, for making

5989
04:45:03,560 --> 04:45:08,440
changes to it cuz they certified it in a

5990
04:45:05,120 --> 04:45:10,640
particular um form.

5991
04:45:08,440 --> 04:45:13,040
» So, would we have Would we have to amend

5992
04:45:10,640 --> 04:45:15,920
the ADU ordinance? Couldn't we just

5993
04:45:13,040 --> 04:45:17,640
adopt a stand-alone ordinance that

5994
04:45:15,920 --> 04:45:19,240
adds that requirement?

5995
04:45:17,640 --> 04:45:20,720
» You can, but I mean it's anything that

5996
04:45:19,240 --> 04:45:23,000
affects the ADU ordinance is supposed to

5997
04:45:20,720 --> 04:45:24,280
be, you know, brought to HCD because it

5998
04:45:23,000 --> 04:45:25,560
all interacts cuz you're going to have a

5999
04:45:24,280 --> 04:45:26,240
section of ADU ordinance, and then

6000
04:45:25,560 --> 04:45:28,160
you're going to want to add an

6001
04:45:26,240 --> 04:45:30,480
additional section that's talking about

6002
04:45:28,160 --> 04:45:32,920
ADUs, whether they, you know, have two

6003
04:45:30,480 --> 04:45:34,280
forms of exit or not, right? Egress.

6004
04:45:32,920 --> 04:45:36,040
» So, Tyler, Trevor, you're saying so what

6005
04:45:34,280 --> 04:45:37,680
we can't do. What can we do?

6006
04:45:36,040 --> 04:45:38,680
» What can we do?

6007
04:45:37,680 --> 04:45:41,840
So,

6008
04:45:38,680 --> 04:45:43,240
I I what I would I would say is there is

6009
04:45:41,840 --> 04:45:45,000
would recommend getting this across so

6010
04:45:43,240 --> 04:45:46,400
we have a compliant, you know, ordinance

6011
04:45:45,000 --> 04:45:48,080
with HCD. And if you want to bring back

6012
04:45:46,400 --> 04:45:50,200
an If you want to explore this, have

6013
04:45:48,080 --> 04:45:51,200
staff bring you back options for

6014
04:45:50,200 --> 04:45:53,880
um

6015
04:45:51,200 --> 04:45:55,680
you know, analysis on this particular

6016
04:45:53,880 --> 04:45:57,560
change to it to making a change to the

6017
04:45:55,680 --> 04:45:59,440
amendment, the consequences of

6018
04:45:57,560 --> 04:46:01,000
potentially doing it, and the ways that

6019
04:45:59,440 --> 04:46:03,000
you could accomplish it.

6020
04:46:01,000 --> 04:46:05,040
» You would say?

6021
04:46:03,000 --> 04:46:07,960
» It sounds like it's extortion. I mean,

6022
04:46:05,040 --> 04:46:10,120
we we have to approve what HCD's telling

6023
04:46:07,960 --> 04:46:11,720
us or else HCD, whether they have the

6024
04:46:10,120 --> 04:46:13,000
right to do it or not, denies a

6025
04:46:11,720 --> 04:46:14,960
certification, and then there are

6026
04:46:13,000 --> 04:46:16,800
adverse consequences.

6027
04:46:14,960 --> 04:46:17,640
It's It's ridiculous way the law is

6028
04:46:16,800 --> 04:46:19,520
built.

6029
04:46:17,640 --> 04:46:21,440
» I'll make a motion that we do it we say

6030
04:46:19,520 --> 04:46:23,760
we approve this and the new Trevor says

6031
04:46:21,440 --> 04:46:26,840
we have staff bring us back some some

6032
04:46:23,760 --> 04:46:28,640
options to say how do we deal with this.

6033
04:46:26,840 --> 04:46:30,760
If we have to if those options are good,

6034
04:46:28,640 --> 04:46:33,680
we figure out how to take it to HCD and

6035
04:46:30,760 --> 04:46:33,680
see what the hell they say.

6036
04:46:35,000 --> 04:46:38,600
» Is there a second?

6037
04:46:36,400 --> 04:46:40,840
» Well, I I've got some idea I got some

6038
04:46:38,600 --> 04:46:43,360
things I'd like to bring up, too. I I

6039
04:46:40,840 --> 04:46:44,600
hear you, and we may I may back you on

6040
04:46:43,360 --> 04:46:45,960
it. If I could

6041
04:46:44,600 --> 04:46:47,000
» Go ahead. The floor is yours.

6042
04:46:45,960 --> 04:46:51,120
» All right.

6043
04:46:47,000 --> 04:46:54,360
Let's talk about on page uh six of nine

6044
04:46:51,120 --> 04:46:54,360
in 17.44.080

6045
04:46:55,160 --> 04:46:59,880
the last sentence in the first

6046
04:46:56,920 --> 04:47:01,800
paragraph, ACD flagged ADUs with deed

6047
04:46:59,880 --> 04:47:03,320
restrictions as inconsistent with state

6048
04:47:01,800 --> 04:47:07,640
law.

6049
04:47:03,320 --> 04:47:10,560
We've got HOAs in town that have

6050
04:47:07,640 --> 04:47:12,760
deed restrictions that allow the HOA,

6051
04:47:10,560 --> 04:47:15,360
and then within those HOAs, there may be

6052
04:47:12,760 --> 04:47:16,840
deed restrictions about

6053
04:47:15,360 --> 04:47:18,760
ADUs.

6054
04:47:16,840 --> 04:47:21,040
Uh

6055
04:47:18,760 --> 04:47:23,800
Are we saying that that

6056
04:47:21,040 --> 04:47:26,440
that provision

6057
04:47:23,800 --> 04:47:29,080
overrides the HOA's ability to say they

6058
04:47:26,440 --> 04:47:31,480
don't want to have an HOA HOA I'm sorry,

6059
04:47:29,080 --> 04:47:32,120
ADU in their HOA?

6060
04:47:31,480 --> 04:47:33,680
» Too many letters.

6061
04:47:32,120 --> 04:47:34,240
» Yeah, you got too many letters.

6062
04:47:33,680 --> 04:47:36,440
Yeah.

6063
04:47:34,240 --> 04:47:37,200
» Could you clarify where which paragraph

6064
04:47:36,440 --> 04:47:38,138
you're talking about?

6065
04:47:37,200 --> 04:47:38,200
» Yeah.

6066
04:47:38,138 --> 04:47:41,520
» [clears throat]

6067
04:47:38,200 --> 04:47:43,800
» It's page six of nine.

6068
04:47:41,520 --> 04:47:48,080
And the question in the last sentence of

6069
04:47:43,800 --> 04:47:48,080
the first paragraph of 17.44.080

6070
04:47:48,960 --> 04:47:55,560
is HCD flagged ADU deed restrictions is

6071
04:47:52,440 --> 04:47:59,120
inconsistent with state law.

6072
04:47:55,560 --> 04:48:01,400
And in my reading of that

6073
04:47:59,120 --> 04:48:02,360
every every official HOA, and I'm going

6074
04:48:01,400 --> 04:48:03,760
to talk about a

6075
04:48:02,360 --> 04:48:05,560
uh

6076
04:48:03,760 --> 04:48:07,440
voluntary association, but if you've got

6077
04:48:05,560 --> 04:48:09,480
deed restrictions like for a planned

6078
04:48:07,440 --> 04:48:11,240
unit development

6079
04:48:09,480 --> 04:48:13,760
quite often within those it says there's

6080
04:48:11,240 --> 04:48:15,000
no separate buildings allowed or you

6081
04:48:13,760 --> 04:48:17,880
can't have more than this number of

6082
04:48:15,000 --> 04:48:21,080
square feet or whatever. Are we saying

6083
04:48:17,880 --> 04:48:23,520
that that now those provisions are

6084
04:48:21,080 --> 04:48:26,560
mute? And by the way, that might be a

6085
04:48:23,520 --> 04:48:28,640
way to have the uh

6086
04:48:26,560 --> 04:48:31,240
one way in and out for a lot of these

6087
04:48:28,640 --> 04:48:32,800
associations that have the ability to

6088
04:48:31,240 --> 04:48:36,040
have deed restrictions or

6089
04:48:32,800 --> 04:48:38,760
have restrictions on what can be built.

6090
04:48:36,040 --> 04:48:42,000
» Maybe Tyler needs to clarify

6091
04:48:38,760 --> 04:48:43,880
what they flagged in the or

6092
04:48:42,000 --> 04:48:45,760
staff that's here in the room.

6093
04:48:43,880 --> 04:48:48,200
» Patrick, uh feel free to weigh in. I can

6094
04:48:45,760 --> 04:48:49,680
start. They um

6095
04:48:48,200 --> 04:48:50,800
the deed restrictions I'm talking about,

6096
04:48:49,680 --> 04:48:53,480
we had some deed restrictions in our

6097
04:48:50,800 --> 04:48:55,160
code related to like um

6098
04:48:53,480 --> 04:48:57,120
you know, you have to

6099
04:48:55,160 --> 04:48:59,040
uh report your units and things like

6100
04:48:57,120 --> 04:49:00,600
that. There There's a lot of things that

6101
04:48:59,040 --> 04:49:03,160
they said can only be applicable to

6102
04:49:00,600 --> 04:49:05,000
JADU. So, it wasn't necessarily related

6103
04:49:03,160 --> 04:49:07,160
uh HOAs or anything like that. It was

6104
04:49:05,000 --> 04:49:09,000
deed restrictions that we had codified

6105
04:49:07,160 --> 04:49:10,880
that we were placing on each property as

6106
04:49:09,000 --> 04:49:12,200
these ADUs got processed.

6107
04:49:10,880 --> 04:49:13,880
They just said that's unlawful. They can

6108
04:49:12,200 --> 04:49:16,200
only be applied to JADU.

6109
04:49:13,880 --> 04:49:17,280
» So, it's a restriction on the

6110
04:49:16,200 --> 04:49:18,840
recording the city to take out of its

6111
04:49:17,280 --> 04:49:20,480
ordinance. It doesn't deal with an HOA.

6112
04:49:18,840 --> 04:49:23,080
HOA has different powers and abilities

6113
04:49:20,480 --> 04:49:25,640
to restrict. So, this isn't overruling

6114
04:49:23,080 --> 04:49:27,480
any ability of an HOA to take action.

6115
04:49:25,640 --> 04:49:29,160
» Yeah, we're country estates. Came up in

6116
04:49:27,480 --> 04:49:31,280
the planning commission a couple of

6117
04:49:29,160 --> 04:49:33,160
weeks ago and they have restrictions in

6118
04:49:31,280 --> 04:49:34,280
terms of what you can do with ADUs.

6119
04:49:33,160 --> 04:49:37,000
» That's right.

6120
04:49:34,280 --> 04:49:39,400
» Exactly. So, so like you saw there Mayor

6121
04:49:37,000 --> 04:49:41,360
Pro Tem, we would still enforce the the

6122
04:49:39,400 --> 04:49:43,560
codified uh

6123
04:49:41,360 --> 04:49:44,600
regulations of the of the country

6124
04:49:43,560 --> 04:49:45,320
estates.

6125
04:49:44,600 --> 04:49:46,800
» Tyler, I think

6126
04:49:45,320 --> 04:49:49,040
» So, the country estates rules would

6127
04:49:46,800 --> 04:49:50,760
would overrule.

6128
04:49:49,040 --> 04:49:52,560
» We recommended denial for that project,

6129
04:49:50,760 --> 04:49:53,724
yes.

6130
04:49:52,560 --> 04:49:54,040
» It sounds to me Tyler,

6131
04:49:53,724 --> 04:49:55,400
» [clears throat]

6132
04:49:54,040 --> 04:49:57,240
» Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I think

6133
04:49:55,400 --> 04:49:59,080
what I'm hearing you say is that this is

6134
04:49:57,240 --> 04:50:01,840
only talking about deed restrictions

6135
04:49:59,080 --> 04:50:03,960
we've imposed as a condition to getting

6136
04:50:01,840 --> 04:50:05,560
an approval of a permit. This has

6137
04:50:03,960 --> 04:50:07,800
nothing to do with a deed restriction

6138
04:50:05,560 --> 04:50:09,520
that might have been voluntarily agreed

6139
04:50:07,800 --> 04:50:11,840
upon at some point in time. They're not

6140
04:50:09,520 --> 04:50:13,376
invalid. We just can't demand deed

6141
04:50:11,840 --> 04:50:14,000
restrictions as a condition.

6142
04:50:13,376 --> 04:50:14,600
[clears throat]

6143
04:50:14,000 --> 04:50:15,320
» That's correct.

6144
04:50:14,600 --> 04:50:17,440
» That's correct.

6145
04:50:15,320 --> 04:50:19,760
» Or was it the deed restrictions we were

6146
04:50:17,440 --> 04:50:21,080
requesting such because

6147
04:50:19,760 --> 04:50:25,720
it had something to do with short-term

6148
04:50:21,080 --> 04:50:26,920
rentals if I'm recalling it properly.

6149
04:50:25,720 --> 04:50:28,360
» I don't know if those were the deed

6150
04:50:26,920 --> 04:50:30,040
restrictions but

6151
04:50:28,360 --> 04:50:31,960
it does only deal with restrictions that

6152
04:50:30,040 --> 04:50:33,760
our prior ordinance was requiring people

6153
04:50:31,960 --> 04:50:35,840
to put on in order to get an ADU and

6154
04:50:33,760 --> 04:50:36,680
it's just saying under state law we were

6155
04:50:35,840 --> 04:50:37,880
there

6156
04:50:36,680 --> 04:50:38,720
we were constrained and we weren't able

6157
04:50:37,880 --> 04:50:40,240
to enforce those.

6158
04:50:38,720 --> 04:50:42,560
» Their goal their goal is to liberalize

6159
04:50:40,240 --> 04:50:43,400
ADUs so any restrictions they see as a

6160
04:50:42,560 --> 04:50:45,480
negative.

6161
04:50:43,400 --> 04:50:47,720
» Again, it's only for the cities. It

6162
04:50:45,480 --> 04:50:49,200
doesn't affect the HOA. That's That's

6163
04:50:47,720 --> 04:50:51,160
not what we're We're not limiting the

6164
04:50:49,200 --> 04:50:52,160
HOA's ability to impose their own

6165
04:50:51,160 --> 04:50:53,720
restrictions.

6166
04:50:52,160 --> 04:50:56,040
» I have a vague recollection of what Mary

6167
04:50:53,720 --> 04:50:57,800
Ann just mentioned. I didn't we require

6168
04:50:56,040 --> 04:51:01,880
some deed restriction that you wouldn't

6169
04:50:57,800 --> 04:51:01,880
short-term rental your ADU?

6170
04:51:02,040 --> 04:51:04,840
» That's correct.

6171
04:51:02,960 --> 04:51:05,640
» Correct. And yes, that's what HCD

6172
04:51:04,840 --> 04:51:07,000
commented on.

6173
04:51:05,640 --> 04:51:07,640
» That's being That's what they're telling

6174
04:51:07,000 --> 04:51:08,720
us we can't do.

6175
04:51:07,640 --> 04:51:09,800
» That's not the one though, right? Is

6176
04:51:08,720 --> 04:51:11,360
that the one that

6177
04:51:09,800 --> 04:51:13,040
They They did The deed restriction

6178
04:51:11,360 --> 04:51:14,880
conditions a few things. It's the um

6179
04:51:13,040 --> 04:51:16,200
separate no separate sale of the unit.

6180
04:51:14,880 --> 04:51:18,880
It talks about the the characteristics

6181
04:51:16,200 --> 04:51:19,920
of the unit um and then also

6182
04:51:18,880 --> 04:51:22,400
um

6183
04:51:19,920 --> 04:51:22,400
let's see.

6184
04:51:22,600 --> 04:51:24,800
Those are the Yes, those are the main

6185
04:51:23,920 --> 04:51:25,920
ones.

6186
04:51:24,800 --> 04:51:27,440
I believe the short-term rental deed

6187
04:51:25,920 --> 04:51:28,280
restrictions to allow it, isn't that

6188
04:51:27,440 --> 04:51:29,560
correct?

6189
04:51:28,280 --> 04:51:32,400
» On the J

6190
04:51:29,560 --> 04:51:34,760
» On a J On a owner-occupied JADU, yes,

6191
04:51:32,400 --> 04:51:37,120
but not a an standard ADU.

6192
04:51:34,760 --> 04:51:39,280
» Yes. Think about that. I'm building I'm

6193
04:51:37,120 --> 04:51:41,480
building ADUs in

6194
04:51:39,280 --> 04:51:42,880
a street with only one access way,

6195
04:51:41,480 --> 04:51:44,200
and I'm I'm going to turn them into

6196
04:51:42,880 --> 04:51:45,520
short-term rentals with a bunch of

6197
04:51:44,200 --> 04:51:47,320
people that have never been through a

6198
04:51:45,520 --> 04:51:48,760
fire, have no idea what the hell they're

6199
04:51:47,320 --> 04:51:49,880
doing in a fire.

6200
04:51:48,760 --> 04:51:51,520
Uh how many of those do you think we're

6201
04:51:49,880 --> 04:51:53,160
going to lose?

6202
04:51:51,520 --> 04:51:54,560
I'm just saying this you know, we just

6203
04:51:53,160 --> 04:51:55,840
there's got to be some way that we can

6204
04:51:54,560 --> 04:51:57,600
protect

6205
04:51:55,840 --> 04:51:59,640
ourselves in a fire.

6206
04:51:57,600 --> 04:52:01,600
» Well, ACD's position on that one also

6207
04:51:59,640 --> 04:52:04,080
seems inconsistent with the policy of

6208
04:52:01,600 --> 04:52:06,600
the ADU statute by the state cuz it's to

6209
04:52:04,080 --> 04:52:08,160
increase housing stock and to increase

6210
04:52:06,600 --> 04:52:08,960
short-term rentals is not increasing

6211
04:52:08,160 --> 04:52:10,240
housing stock.

6212
04:52:08,960 --> 04:52:12,040
» No, they're they're allowing the short

6213
04:52:10,240 --> 04:52:14,440
the prohibition on short-term rentals to

6214
04:52:12,040 --> 04:52:15,160
remain for owner-occupied JADUs,

6215
04:52:14,440 --> 04:52:15,600
correct?

6216
04:52:15,160 --> 04:52:17,000
» JADU

6217
04:52:15,600 --> 04:52:18,240
» That's correct. JADUs owner-occupied.

6218
04:52:17,000 --> 04:52:19,240
» It's allowing the short-term rental

6219
04:52:18,240 --> 04:52:19,840
prohibition to

6220
04:52:19,240 --> 04:52:20,760
» Remain

6221
04:52:19,840 --> 04:52:21,840
» JADU

6222
04:52:20,760 --> 04:52:23,120
» But not for an ADU.

6223
04:52:21,840 --> 04:52:24,520
» Not for the ADU.

6224
04:52:23,120 --> 04:52:25,200
» Yeah, that's just that's just converting

6225
04:52:24,520 --> 04:52:25,800
a room.

6226
04:52:25,200 --> 04:52:26,040
» Yeah.

6227
04:52:25,800 --> 04:52:27,840
» In your

6228
04:52:26,040 --> 04:52:30,440
» So what they're saying is that

6229
04:52:27,840 --> 04:52:33,760
a statute which is designed to create

6230
04:52:30,440 --> 04:52:36,040
more long-term housing can't be used We

6231
04:52:33,760 --> 04:52:38,080
can't within that statute restrict

6232
04:52:36,040 --> 04:52:39,880
short-term rentals and we have to allow

6233
04:52:38,080 --> 04:52:42,720
this long-term housing to become a

6234
04:52:39,880 --> 04:52:45,200
short-term rental. That's That's a That

6235
04:52:42,720 --> 04:52:46,920
seems like an agency out of control.

6236
04:52:45,200 --> 04:52:50,720
» Well, it it it also brings up the

6237
04:52:46,920 --> 04:52:52,000
question of if you've got a HOA

6238
04:52:50,720 --> 04:52:53,480
and I'll take for instance the one I

6239
04:52:52,000 --> 04:52:56,040
live in,

6240
04:52:53,480 --> 04:52:57,800
there are no less than 30-day rentals

6241
04:52:56,040 --> 04:52:59,600
allowed. So

6242
04:52:57,800 --> 04:53:01,240
» It sounds like that's still enforceable.

6243
04:52:59,600 --> 04:53:03,680
» Yeah. Well,

6244
04:53:01,240 --> 04:53:06,720
the HOA is saying you can't do that. And

6245
04:53:03,680 --> 04:53:09,360
if we are saying that the HOA rules do

6246
04:53:06,720 --> 04:53:09,920
apply or don't apply, HOA is saying do

6247
04:53:09,360 --> 04:53:11,120
apply.

6248
04:53:09,920 --> 04:53:12,480
» Yeah, we're not affecting There's

6249
04:53:11,120 --> 04:53:13,960
different layers of restrictions you

6250
04:53:12,480 --> 04:53:15,520
have to comply with. We only deal with

6251
04:53:13,960 --> 04:53:18,160
restrictions on, you know, city

6252
04:53:15,520 --> 04:53:19,360
approvals that you're seeking. HOAs, you

6253
04:53:18,160 --> 04:53:20,480
know, enforce their own rules, have

6254
04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:21,440
their own subject rules, same like the

6255
04:53:20,480 --> 04:53:22,320
federal government and the state

6256
04:53:21,440 --> 04:53:24,840
government.

6257
04:53:22,320 --> 04:53:26,280
» So, that there's

6258
04:53:24,840 --> 04:53:28,720
as we just found out the other day when

6259
04:53:26,280 --> 04:53:32,560
we had an HOA meeting here, I think

6260
04:53:28,720 --> 04:53:35,520
there was like 100 HOAs, whether they be

6261
04:53:32,560 --> 04:53:36,800
condominiums or whatever. And they get

6262
04:53:35,520 --> 04:53:39,040
to call the shots, is what you're

6263
04:53:36,800 --> 04:53:41,440
saying. If the H- if the HOA is a formal

6264
04:53:39,040 --> 04:53:43,240
HOA, then they can they can decide if

6265
04:53:41,440 --> 04:53:44,320
they want to have ADUs.

6266
04:53:43,240 --> 04:53:45,880
And whether or not their street is a

6267
04:53:44,320 --> 04:53:48,200
one-way in and out.

6268
04:53:45,880 --> 04:53:50,360
» Uh Tyler, Patrick, this ordinance does

6269
04:53:48,200 --> 04:53:53,080
not affect any ability of an HOA to

6270
04:53:50,360 --> 04:53:54,640
impose restrictions, correct?

6271
04:53:53,080 --> 04:53:56,720
That'll be worked out between the HOA

6272
04:53:54,640 --> 04:53:58,920
and the the property owner is doing it.

6273
04:53:56,720 --> 04:53:59,320
Yes. We are not we're not interfering

6274
04:53:58,920 --> 04:54:00,360
with that.

6275
04:53:59,320 --> 04:54:01,640
» Councilmember Stewart, the difference

6276
04:54:00,360 --> 04:54:04,080
The difference with the Country Estates

6277
04:54:01,640 --> 04:54:06,360
is that a lot of their regulations and

6278
04:54:04,080 --> 04:54:07,600
their CC&Rs are codified in our code.

6279
04:54:06,360 --> 04:54:09,280
And that's why we enforce them as a

6280
04:54:07,600 --> 04:54:10,880
city. So, if your HOA regulations are

6281
04:54:09,280 --> 04:54:13,000
not codified in our code, the city will

6282
04:54:10,880 --> 04:54:14,760
not enforce those. So, it's upon the HOA

6283
04:54:13,000 --> 04:54:16,880
to then enforce their own laws.

6284
04:54:14,760 --> 04:54:18,840
» That's That's fine. Uh HOA, it's up to

6285
04:54:16,880 --> 04:54:19,120
the HOA to decide they're going to do it

6286
04:54:18,840 --> 04:54:22,000
or not.

6287
04:54:19,120 --> 04:54:23,880
» So, so how how hard have we pressed for

6288
04:54:22,000 --> 04:54:25,320
the ability leaving aside the ingress

6289
04:54:23,880 --> 04:54:27,200
and egress, how hard have we pressed for

6290
04:54:25,320 --> 04:54:29,440
the ability to

6291
04:54:27,200 --> 04:54:31,760
require the deed restriction on not

6292
04:54:29,440 --> 04:54:34,080
separating the ADU

6293
04:54:31,760 --> 04:54:38,480
by a segre- segregated sale and not

6294
04:54:34,080 --> 04:54:38,480
using them for um short-term rentals?

6295
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:42,280
» We probably haven't pressed that issue

6296
04:54:40,920 --> 04:54:44,840
that hard. Our main focus has been

6297
04:54:42,280 --> 04:54:46,560
egress uh and fire safety.

6298
04:54:44,840 --> 04:54:48,440
» It's the way it is the way our law is

6299
04:54:46,560 --> 04:54:50,280
right now, you can't put an ADU on your

6300
04:54:48,440 --> 04:54:52,800
property and then sell that ADU,

6301
04:54:50,280 --> 04:54:54,560
basically um

6302
04:54:52,800 --> 04:54:56,800
subdividing your property, even though

6303
04:54:54,560 --> 04:54:58,800
not technically doing so, because you

6304
04:54:56,800 --> 04:55:00,800
still own the land, but the ADU becomes

6305
04:54:58,800 --> 04:55:02,120
the property of somebody else. We can

6306
04:55:00,800 --> 04:55:04,800
Can we push to keep that as a

6307
04:55:02,120 --> 04:55:04,800
restriction?

6308
04:55:05,360 --> 04:55:09,440
» Uh so, Mayor, just to clarify

6309
04:55:07,920 --> 04:55:11,840
what you're speaking of is actually um

6310
04:55:09,440 --> 04:55:13,560
statutorily codified. So, the um

6311
04:55:11,840 --> 04:55:15,880
short-term rental and the separate sale,

6312
04:55:13,560 --> 04:55:17,800
that's already part of state law. So,

6313
04:55:15,880 --> 04:55:20,000
what HCD director is, "Hey, this is

6314
04:55:17,800 --> 04:55:24,200
already codified. There's doesn't need

6315
04:55:20,000 --> 04:55:26,360
to be this extra layer of um you know um

6316
04:55:24,200 --> 04:55:27,440
uh recordation of the deed restriction."

6317
04:55:26,360 --> 04:55:28,760
But, it is

6318
04:55:27,440 --> 04:55:30,080
what you're mentioning is a requirement

6319
04:55:28,760 --> 04:55:32,080
for ADUs.

6320
04:55:30,080 --> 04:55:34,720
» I would I would like us to press to have

6321
04:55:32,080 --> 04:55:36,720
to keep that because just because it's

6322
04:55:34,720 --> 04:55:39,000
not necessary doesn't mean it won't

6323
04:55:36,720 --> 04:55:40,880
become necessary at some future date.

6324
04:55:39,000 --> 04:55:43,240
So, the legislature two years from now

6325
04:55:40,880 --> 04:55:45,840
could decide in their infinite wisdom to

6326
04:55:43,240 --> 04:55:47,440
allow them to be sold separately. But,

6327
04:55:45,840 --> 04:55:49,200
if you've got a deed restriction, then

6328
04:55:47,440 --> 04:55:51,840
changing the law wouldn't allow that

6329
04:55:49,200 --> 04:55:53,960
particular unit to be sold separately.

6330
04:55:51,840 --> 04:55:55,840
Um but, if you don't have it as a deed

6331
04:55:53,960 --> 04:55:57,200
restriction, then they're we're at their

6332
04:55:55,840 --> 04:55:58,360
mercy. They can change the law they

6333
04:55:57,200 --> 04:55:59,960
want.

6334
04:55:58,360 --> 04:56:01,640
» Pat, can you can you double-check? I

6335
04:55:59,960 --> 04:56:02,960
think it might also be written into our

6336
04:56:01,640 --> 04:56:04,080
ordinance

6337
04:56:02,960 --> 04:56:06,560
um

6338
04:56:04,080 --> 04:56:07,960
that that state law provision.

6339
04:56:06,560 --> 04:56:09,080
And that's why they want us to hold the

6340
04:56:07,960 --> 04:56:11,240
line on deed restriction.

6341
04:56:09,080 --> 04:56:15,240
» It is, yes. It's um

6342
04:56:11,240 --> 04:56:18,760
under 17.44.080.

6343
04:56:15,240 --> 04:56:18,760
Um starting page um

6344
04:56:18,840 --> 04:56:24,440
18. So, it would be um subsection B,

6345
04:56:22,280 --> 04:56:26,880
rental term, and then D, no separate

6346
04:56:24,440 --> 04:56:28,520
conveyance.

6347
04:56:26,880 --> 04:56:30,440
» So, it's already in our existing code.

6348
04:56:28,520 --> 04:56:30,880
» And that is part of the existing code,

6349
04:56:30,440 --> 04:56:32,080
yes.

6350
04:56:30,880 --> 04:56:33,600
» So, if they remove it from state law,

6351
04:56:32,080 --> 04:56:35,520
we'd still have it in our code as long

6352
04:56:33,600 --> 04:56:36,560
as we were certified.

6353
04:56:35,520 --> 04:56:38,400
» Yeah, but then they would threaten to

6354
04:56:36,560 --> 04:56:40,640
decertify our code if we keep it in

6355
04:56:38,400 --> 04:56:42,440
there, right? If they decide to change

6356
04:56:40,640 --> 04:56:44,240
it.

6357
04:56:42,440 --> 04:56:45,880
» Yeah, if they decide to change it.

6358
04:56:44,240 --> 04:56:48,480
» I mean, look, the state legislature's on

6359
04:56:45,880 --> 04:56:49,120
a tear to take out single-family uh

6360
04:56:48,480 --> 04:56:50,160
zoning.

6361
04:56:49,120 --> 04:56:52,160
» Yeah.

6362
04:56:50,160 --> 04:56:56,720
» And this is just another example of it

6363
04:56:52,160 --> 04:56:57,720
where they're uh using HCD to impose

6364
04:56:56,720 --> 04:56:59,920
this

6365
04:56:57,720 --> 04:57:02,160
uh take Coronado where you take one

6366
04:56:59,920 --> 04:57:04,280
house and you have four lots out of it.

6367
04:57:02,160 --> 04:57:06,320
I mean, it's it's it's amazing what's

6368
04:57:04,280 --> 04:57:07,720
taking place around the state. And I

6369
04:57:06,320 --> 04:57:10,760
think we're somehow protected by our

6370
04:57:07,720 --> 04:57:12,160
LCP, but uh

6371
04:57:10,760 --> 04:57:14,000
you know, this is where we're being

6372
04:57:12,160 --> 04:57:15,000
shoved to.

6373
04:57:14,000 --> 04:57:16,800
All right, do you have any other further

6374
04:57:15,000 --> 04:57:20,600
» Yeah, I got one other question. The one

6375
04:57:16,800 --> 04:57:22,160
above it about processing and timing.

6376
04:57:20,600 --> 04:57:23,400
Before we approve this, I want to make

6377
04:57:22,160 --> 04:57:24,680
sure that

6378
04:57:23,400 --> 04:57:26,080
we can live with what they've got in

6379
04:57:24,680 --> 04:57:28,520
here. This is paragraph this second

6380
04:57:26,080 --> 04:57:29,920
paragraph in that section, same page is

6381
04:57:28,520 --> 04:57:33,040
six.

6382
04:57:29,920 --> 04:57:34,120
The timing for this is so fast.

6383
04:57:33,040 --> 04:57:37,400
Um

6384
04:57:34,120 --> 04:57:39,520
you got 15 days to do um

6385
04:57:37,400 --> 04:57:40,680
resubmittal, which you got 15 days to

6386
04:57:39,520 --> 04:57:43,560
apply

6387
04:57:40,680 --> 04:57:47,760
uh to complete the ADU application, and

6388
04:57:43,560 --> 04:57:48,440
you got to have a planning commission uh

6389
04:57:47,760 --> 04:57:50,560
uh

6390
04:57:48,440 --> 04:57:53,280
response within 60 days.

6391
04:57:50,560 --> 04:57:55,840
I mean, are we able to function in this?

6392
04:57:53,280 --> 04:58:00,760
I This city's never turned around a

6393
04:57:55,840 --> 04:58:00,760
planning commission appeal in 60 days.

6394
04:58:00,920 --> 04:58:05,240
» Yes, so under the municipal code, not

6395
04:58:03,960 --> 04:58:06,880
all ADUs are subject to planning

6396
04:58:05,240 --> 04:58:09,880
commission approval, um and staff is

6397
04:58:06,880 --> 04:58:12,320
working on um streamlining and um

6398
04:58:09,880 --> 04:58:15,040
different handouts and resources to help

6399
04:58:12,320 --> 04:58:16,640
um expedite the process um and as well

6400
04:58:15,040 --> 04:58:17,200
staff training.

6401
04:58:16,640 --> 04:58:18,360
» Well, wait.

6402
04:58:17,200 --> 04:58:19,560
» Patrick, we don't have a choice on the

6403
04:58:18,360 --> 04:58:21,800
processing, right?

6404
04:58:19,560 --> 04:58:23,320
» And yes, that's that's correct. Yes, and

6405
04:58:21,800 --> 04:58:25,680
that's directly from state law, and it's

6406
04:58:23,320 --> 04:58:27,960
15 business days, so it excludes

6407
04:58:25,680 --> 04:58:30,120
weekends, holidays, um

6408
04:58:27,960 --> 04:58:31,560
» Are we guys My point is when you look at

6409
04:58:30,120 --> 04:58:32,200
the first sentence,

6410
04:58:31,560 --> 04:58:33,520
uh

6411
04:58:32,200 --> 04:58:35,440
it says the city must determine

6412
04:58:33,520 --> 04:58:37,440
completeness of an ADU application

6413
04:58:35,440 --> 04:58:39,042
within 15 business days,

6414
04:58:37,440 --> 04:58:39,080
provide a written uh

6415
04:58:39,042 --> 04:58:41,200
» [snorts]

6416
04:58:39,080 --> 04:58:43,120
» List of missing items and so forth.

6417
04:58:41,200 --> 04:58:45,320
Resubmittals are reviewed within 15

6418
04:58:43,120 --> 04:58:46,320
days, and then

6419
04:58:45,320 --> 04:58:47,680
um

6420
04:58:46,320 --> 04:58:49,200
if the city does not respond within the

6421
04:58:47,680 --> 04:58:51,160
deadline, applicants may appeal

6422
04:58:49,200 --> 04:58:52,640
completeness determinations and denials

6423
04:58:51,160 --> 04:58:54,200
to the planning commission.

6424
04:58:52,640 --> 04:58:55,480
I mean,

6425
04:58:54,200 --> 04:58:56,000
are we able to function with those

6426
04:58:55,480 --> 04:58:57,920
deadlines?

6427
04:58:56,000 --> 04:59:00,440
» Yes, we are. We have created a

6428
04:58:57,920 --> 04:59:02,200
checklist. We also are now that we are

6429
04:59:00,440 --> 04:59:03,680
one team, community development,

6430
04:59:02,200 --> 04:59:06,680
planning and building and reviewing at

6431
04:59:03,680 --> 04:59:09,160
the same time. Uh so we do have even on

6432
04:59:06,680 --> 04:59:11,880
our database a trigger for when those

6433
04:59:09,160 --> 04:59:14,520
application comes in and uh an email is

6434
04:59:11,880 --> 04:59:16,680
sent to the uh person that is reviewing

6435
04:59:14,520 --> 04:59:17,800
it to make sure that we stay with those

6436
04:59:16,680 --> 04:59:18,760
deadlines.

6437
04:59:17,800 --> 04:59:20,840
» Okay.

6438
04:59:18,760 --> 04:59:23,120
All right. Um

6439
04:59:20,840 --> 04:59:24,000
» The motion was made by Steve.

6440
04:59:23,120 --> 04:59:25,520
» Yeah.

6441
04:59:24,000 --> 04:59:26,800
» I I just want to add one more thing that

6442
04:59:25,520 --> 04:59:28,760
um yeah, I just want to show you guys

6443
04:59:26,800 --> 04:59:30,920
there's not a proliferation of these. Uh

6444
04:59:28,760 --> 04:59:32,680
just to you know, rest assured we we get

6445
04:59:30,920 --> 04:59:34,000
what like five a year, Patrick, so it's

6446
04:59:32,680 --> 04:59:35,440
not like

6447
04:59:34,000 --> 04:59:37,040
you know, they're clamoring at our door.

6448
04:59:35,440 --> 04:59:38,920
So So to Yuliana's point, they're

6449
04:59:37,040 --> 04:59:41,040
definitely manageable. Uh we have a

6450
04:59:38,920 --> 04:59:43,120
process. Um

6451
04:59:41,040 --> 04:59:44,640
we've we've been handling it.

6452
04:59:43,120 --> 04:59:47,000
» The number of applications that we have

6453
04:59:44,640 --> 04:59:50,040
received in the past uh

6454
04:59:47,000 --> 04:59:52,160
3 months uh it's about two.

6455
04:59:50,040 --> 04:59:54,480
The most that we're seeing right now as

6456
04:59:52,160 --> 04:59:56,120
is for the fire rebuilds.

6457
04:59:54,480 --> 04:59:57,360
And under the fire rebuilds there

6458
04:59:56,120 --> 04:59:59,360
because they're part of the same

6459
04:59:57,360 --> 05:00:03,200
structure, we're keeping up with the

6460
04:59:59,360 --> 05:00:04,440
streamlined process for for rebuilding.

6461
05:00:03,200 --> 05:00:05,880
» You're not seeing anything now but but

6462
05:00:04,440 --> 05:00:07,280
I'll tell you what once we change this

6463
05:00:05,880 --> 05:00:08,760
law and makes it easy for them to get

6464
05:00:07,280 --> 05:00:10,360
built, you may see a bunch more coming

6465
05:00:08,760 --> 05:00:12,080
in.

6466
05:00:10,360 --> 05:00:15,600
Money. People are going to put them in

6467
05:00:12,080 --> 05:00:17,360
to get money. That's why they're there.

6468
05:00:15,600 --> 05:00:18,720
So what's a what's the motion against?

6469
05:00:17,360 --> 05:00:20,520
» Steve, want to repeat your motion?

6470
05:00:18,720 --> 05:00:22,440
» The motion was that we approve this

6471
05:00:20,520 --> 05:00:24,360
tonight that we ask staff to come back

6472
05:00:22,440 --> 05:00:25,800
with a

6473
05:00:24,360 --> 05:00:29,320
analysis

6474
05:00:25,800 --> 05:00:31,440
of what we can do to to deal with access

6475
05:00:29,320 --> 05:00:32,720
in and out of one-way streets

6476
05:00:31,440 --> 05:00:34,680
uh

6477
05:00:32,720 --> 05:00:36,720
» Requirement to forms of egress.

6478
05:00:34,680 --> 05:00:38,720
» Two, yeah. And and you know, to try and

6479
05:00:36,720 --> 05:00:40,440
protect our residents from in during the

6480
05:00:38,720 --> 05:00:41,760
course of a fire.

6481
05:00:40,440 --> 05:00:44,160
And I got no problem if you know, if

6482
05:00:41,760 --> 05:00:45,800
this decision comes back to say, "Look,

6483
05:00:44,160 --> 05:00:47,880
you know, if if it's a one-way only

6484
05:00:45,800 --> 05:00:49,880
street with one way of in and out, if

6485
05:00:47,880 --> 05:00:51,960
the staff has got a set of rules that

6486
05:00:49,880 --> 05:00:54,080
they can use that determine that it's

6487
05:00:51,960 --> 05:00:55,520
safe to do that, go ahead and do it."

6488
05:00:54,080 --> 05:00:57,000
But there's got to be some guidance that

6489
05:00:55,520 --> 05:00:58,400
we have for for everybody so we know

6490
05:00:57,000 --> 05:01:00,640
what the hell we're doing.

6491
05:00:58,400 --> 05:01:03,000
» Involving the fire department at this

6492
05:01:00,640 --> 05:01:05,160
process is going to be critical for us.

6493
05:01:03,000 --> 05:01:07,600
Uh so, we will work with the fire

6494
05:01:05,160 --> 05:01:09,840
department on this that way you get a

6495
05:01:07,600 --> 05:01:12,720
response from community development

6496
05:01:09,840 --> 05:01:13,360
department and the fire department uh

6497
05:01:12,720 --> 05:01:14,320
when we come back.

6498
05:01:13,360 --> 05:01:16,200
» Yeah, I want to know what the fire

6499
05:01:14,320 --> 05:01:17,440
department's criteria is for if they're

6500
05:01:16,200 --> 05:01:19,120
going to make a decision, what are they

6501
05:01:17,440 --> 05:01:21,480
looking at? Because last time we found

6502
05:01:19,120 --> 05:01:23,160
out they didn't look at anything.

6503
05:01:21,480 --> 05:01:25,160
» We will make sure that that happens and

6504
05:01:23,160 --> 05:01:27,520
bring that back to you.

6505
05:01:25,160 --> 05:01:29,320
» Is there a second? I'll second it.

6506
05:01:27,520 --> 05:01:31,160
Is there any further discussion?

6507
05:01:29,320 --> 05:01:33,040
» And that would be the introduction of

6508
05:01:31,160 --> 05:01:34,840
ordinance number 535, an ordinance of

6509
05:01:33,040 --> 05:01:37,400
the city of Malibu approving zoning text

6510
05:01:34,840 --> 05:01:39,800
amendment number 25-003, an amendment to

6511
05:01:37,400 --> 05:01:41,600
title 17 zoning of the Malibu municipal

6512
05:01:39,800 --> 05:01:43,680
code to update accessory dwelling unit

6513
05:01:41,600 --> 05:01:44,680
regulations and determine the amendments

6514
05:01:43,680 --> 05:01:46,120
are exempt from the California

6515
05:01:44,680 --> 05:01:47,640
Environmental Quality Act and sorry, I

6516
05:01:46,120 --> 05:01:49,640
think you were raising your hand.

6517
05:01:47,640 --> 05:01:51,440
» I haven't spoken yet, so you know, just

6518
05:01:49,640 --> 05:01:53,920
like that chance if that's okay with

6519
05:01:51,440 --> 05:01:53,920
everybody.

6520
05:01:54,240 --> 05:01:57,480
I haven't spoken yet, so I was just

6521
05:01:56,040 --> 05:01:58,640
hoping to get my chance, so.

6522
05:01:57,480 --> 05:01:59,920
» Okay. I was just you if you had any

6523
05:01:58,640 --> 05:02:01,720
comments.

6524
05:01:59,920 --> 05:02:05,000
» I mean, I think I I understand

6525
05:02:01,720 --> 05:02:06,480
everyone's concerns on the the egress

6526
05:02:05,000 --> 05:02:09,320
and I think it is really important. I

6527
05:02:06,480 --> 05:02:10,000
think it is something that we need to

6528
05:02:09,320 --> 05:02:11,560
um

6529
05:02:10,000 --> 05:02:14,920
highlight more with the fire department

6530
05:02:11,560 --> 05:02:16,600
and there should be greater rules. But,

6531
05:02:14,920 --> 05:02:18,400
you know, this isn't adding additional

6532
05:02:16,600 --> 05:02:22,040
square footage to a property. This is

6533
05:02:18,400 --> 05:02:25,080
square footage that um

6534
05:02:22,040 --> 05:02:27,600
the zoning code and our local coastal

6535
05:02:25,080 --> 05:02:31,360
program determines based on the property

6536
05:02:27,600 --> 05:02:32,680
size they can have. So, if they were to

6537
05:02:31,360 --> 05:02:33,960
add

6538
05:02:32,680 --> 05:02:36,400
you know, the same amount of square

6539
05:02:33,960 --> 05:02:37,920
footage to their house

6540
05:02:36,400 --> 05:02:40,120
you can add it's not adding any

6541
05:02:37,920 --> 05:02:42,880
additional vehicles. It's still the same

6542
05:02:40,120 --> 05:02:44,960
amount of potential people on that

6543
05:02:42,880 --> 05:02:47,000
property. So, I just I think that's one

6544
05:02:44,960 --> 05:02:48,520
thing that we need to consider

6545
05:02:47,000 --> 05:02:51,000
when we're having this conversation.

6546
05:02:48,520 --> 05:02:54,360
This doesn't necessarily increase

6547
05:02:51,000 --> 05:02:57,520
density on the lot. It's just another

6548
05:02:54,360 --> 05:02:59,000
bedroom or actually

6549
05:02:57,520 --> 05:03:02,760
Not necessarily. I mean, you can have an

6550
05:02:59,000 --> 05:03:05,840
8,000 square foot home and have

6551
05:03:02,760 --> 05:03:05,840
10 people living in it.

6552
05:03:10,880 --> 05:03:12,880
I don't know. Who how who's living in

6553
05:03:12,360 --> 05:03:15,480
the house?

6554
05:03:12,880 --> 05:03:17,640
» Yeah, clearly it doesn't necessarily do

6555
05:03:15,480 --> 05:03:19,480
that. A a 1,000 square foot home could

6556
05:03:17,640 --> 05:03:21,080
have 10 people in it and 10,000 square

6557
05:03:19,480 --> 05:03:23,680
foot home could have one person in it.

6558
05:03:21,080 --> 05:03:25,440
But, when you take averages and look at

6559
05:03:23,680 --> 05:03:27,160
a whole bunch of them, what you're going

6560
05:03:25,440 --> 05:03:28,600
to find is

6561
05:03:27,160 --> 05:03:29,600
people aren't going to increase the

6562
05:03:28,600 --> 05:03:31,200
number of people in their home just

6563
05:03:29,600 --> 05:03:32,400
because it's a bigger house, but they

6564
05:03:31,200 --> 05:03:33,760
are going to increase the number of

6565
05:03:32,400 --> 05:03:36,040
people on the lot when they add a

6566
05:03:33,760 --> 05:03:37,480
separate dwelling unit. That's exactly

6567
05:03:36,040 --> 05:03:39,360
what they're for. That's why the law was

6568
05:03:37,480 --> 05:03:39,960
designed to create additional space for

6569
05:03:39,360 --> 05:03:41,720
new people.

6570
05:03:39,960 --> 05:03:45,360
» Not disagreeing with that. I'm just

6571
05:03:41,720 --> 05:03:48,160
pointing out the fact that the amount of

6572
05:03:45,360 --> 05:03:50,600
units on there doesn't necessarily mean

6573
05:03:48,160 --> 05:03:53,080
that there are going to be more people

6574
05:03:50,600 --> 05:03:54,160
trying to escape from that home in the

6575
05:03:53,080 --> 05:03:55,320
event of an emergency.

6576
05:03:54,160 --> 05:03:56,440
» No, it doesn't necessarily mean it, but

6577
05:03:55,320 --> 05:03:58,080
on average it will mean it.

6578
05:03:56,440 --> 05:03:59,920
» Just wanted to say my piece. That's all.

6579
05:03:58,080 --> 05:04:01,880
» I appreciate that. I mean, I think that

6580
05:03:59,920 --> 05:04:04,280
just the notion the name additional

6581
05:04:01,880 --> 05:04:06,040
dwelling unit means that I think that

6582
05:04:04,280 --> 05:04:08,120
the intention is to have additional

6583
05:04:06,040 --> 05:04:09,840
dwelling there whether it's like aging

6584
05:04:08,120 --> 05:04:11,920
in place and having a nurse or your

6585
05:04:09,840 --> 05:04:13,520
child isn't quite going to college yet

6586
05:04:11,920 --> 05:04:16,400
and they need to

6587
05:04:13,520 --> 05:04:19,560
launch. Um you know, keeping people

6588
05:04:16,400 --> 05:04:21,320
together is awesome. I also see I hear

6589
05:04:19,560 --> 05:04:22,840
that it's not about square footage, it's

6590
05:04:21,320 --> 05:04:25,840
just about like

6591
05:04:22,840 --> 05:04:29,080
emergency reactions and

6592
05:04:25,840 --> 05:04:31,200
being in a high fire severity zone. So,

6593
05:04:29,080 --> 05:04:35,240
I'm in favor of looking into that as

6594
05:04:31,200 --> 05:04:39,680
we're responsible with also um

6595
05:04:35,240 --> 05:04:40,880
approving this tonight and then

6596
05:04:39,680 --> 05:04:42,480
continuing

6597
05:04:40,880 --> 05:04:43,320
the discussion.

6598
05:04:42,480 --> 05:04:44,200
Thank you.

6599
05:04:43,320 --> 05:04:47,360
» Thank you. Good.

6600
05:04:44,200 --> 05:04:47,360
» Are there any further comments?

6601
05:04:47,440 --> 05:04:51,160
Let's take a voice vote on this one.

6602
05:04:51,520 --> 05:04:53,440
» Mayor Pro Tem Merin?

6603
05:04:52,560 --> 05:04:54,600
» Yes.

6604
05:04:53,440 --> 05:04:55,560
» Councilmember Stewart?

6605
05:04:54,600 --> 05:04:56,640
» Yes.

6606
05:04:55,560 --> 05:04:57,440
» Councilmember Conrad?

6607
05:04:56,640 --> 05:04:58,600
» Yes.

6608
05:04:57,440 --> 05:04:59,400
» Councilmember Riggons?

6609
05:04:58,600 --> 05:05:01,040
» Yes.

6610
05:04:59,400 --> 05:05:01,640
» Mayor Silverstein?

6611
05:05:01,040 --> 05:05:02,760
» Yes.

6612
05:05:01,640 --> 05:05:05,240
» Motion carries.

6613
05:05:02,760 --> 05:05:05,240
» Okay.

6614
05:05:05,480 --> 05:05:08,640
6A,

6615
05:05:07,000 --> 05:05:10,840
Building Board of Appeals. We'll now

6616
05:05:08,640 --> 05:05:12,960
hear that item, authorization to

6617
05:05:10,840 --> 05:05:15,800
advertise recruitment and direction of

6618
05:05:12,960 --> 05:05:17,520
member qualification standards.

6619
05:05:15,800 --> 05:05:19,520
Please raise your hand on Zoom if you

6620
05:05:17,520 --> 05:05:21,080
would like to speak on this item, and if

6621
05:05:19,520 --> 05:05:23,280
you're here in person and you'd like to

6622
05:05:21,080 --> 05:05:25,146
speak, get your slip in.

6623
05:05:23,280 --> 05:05:26,160
Let's have a staff report.

6624
05:05:25,146 --> 05:05:29,160
» [snorts]

6625
05:05:26,160 --> 05:05:31,160
» Good evening, City Council.

6626
05:05:29,160 --> 05:05:33,920
On May 11th, staff presented an

6627
05:05:31,160 --> 05:05:36,160
education and an update presentation on

6628
05:05:33,920 --> 05:05:38,600
the Building Board of Appeals. At that

6629
05:05:36,160 --> 05:05:41,240
time, Council recommended that staff

6630
05:05:38,600 --> 05:05:43,720
bring back additional items

6631
05:05:41,240 --> 05:05:46,960
to afford your discussion.

6632
05:05:43,720 --> 05:05:49,680
These items in front of you, um, is the

6633
05:05:46,960 --> 05:05:52,240
request from staff for your direction.

6634
05:05:49,680 --> 05:05:54,240
So, item number one,

6635
05:05:52,240 --> 05:05:56,520
board continuity.

6636
05:05:54,240 --> 05:05:58,400
Does the Council would like to retain

6637
05:05:56,520 --> 05:06:02,000
the existing members who confirmed

6638
05:05:58,400 --> 05:06:04,280
willingness to serve or conduct an open

6639
05:06:02,000 --> 05:06:06,720
public recruitment for some of all the

6640
05:06:04,280 --> 05:06:08,560
seats, uh, on the Building

6641
05:06:06,720 --> 05:06:09,840
Board of Appeals?

6642
05:06:08,560 --> 05:06:12,520
Two,

6643
05:06:09,840 --> 05:06:14,360
revising the qualification standards.

6644
05:06:12,520 --> 05:06:17,200
Would the Council would like to retain

6645
05:06:14,360 --> 05:06:21,200
the current Malibu Municipal Code, uh,

6646
05:06:17,200 --> 05:06:21,200
section 15.04.050,

6647
05:06:21,760 --> 05:06:28,640
with the current standards,

6648
05:06:24,440 --> 05:06:30,480
uh, or adopt a Council policy defining

6649
05:06:28,640 --> 05:06:34,200
the experience and the training that

6650
05:06:30,480 --> 05:06:36,040
will qualify an individual to pass upon

6651
05:06:34,200 --> 05:06:37,440
for the Building Board of Appeals?

6652
05:06:36,040 --> 05:06:40,040
Three,

6653
05:06:37,440 --> 05:06:42,680
geographically eligibility.

6654
05:06:40,040 --> 05:06:46,720
Does Council would like to have uh,

6655
05:06:42,680 --> 05:06:50,520
provide direction on this applications

6656
05:06:46,720 --> 05:06:52,600
that city the the city of Malibu

6657
05:06:50,520 --> 05:06:55,720
get applications only for Malibu

6658
05:06:52,600 --> 05:06:57,720
residents or have work or practice

6659
05:06:55,720 --> 05:07:01,480
professionally within Malibu for 10

6660
05:06:57,720 --> 05:07:04,160
years or be qualified by experience and

6661
05:07:01,480 --> 05:07:06,600
training with no geographic requirements

6662
05:07:04,160 --> 05:07:08,000
consistent with the current code.

6663
05:07:06,600 --> 05:07:10,040
For

6664
05:07:08,000 --> 05:07:12,560
recruitment outreach

6665
05:07:10,040 --> 05:07:14,600
If recruitment is authorized

6666
05:07:12,560 --> 05:07:16,240
we would like your direction to prepare

6667
05:07:14,600 --> 05:07:18,080
and publish the a building board of

6668
05:07:16,240 --> 05:07:21,400
appeals member application and

6669
05:07:18,080 --> 05:07:23,920
recruitment announcement.

6670
05:07:21,400 --> 05:07:26,520
Just to provide the council and the

6671
05:07:23,920 --> 05:07:27,800
community with a recap with our May 11

6672
05:07:26,520 --> 05:07:30,600
meeting

6673
05:07:27,800 --> 05:07:34,440
the building board of appeals is a state

6674
05:07:30,600 --> 05:07:37,280
mandate it requires that every city to

6675
05:07:34,440 --> 05:07:39,920
have and provide a formal appeal process

6676
05:07:37,280 --> 05:07:41,880
for building official decisions.

6677
05:07:39,920 --> 05:07:44,200
Um

6678
05:07:41,880 --> 05:07:47,360
to remind the community and the council

6679
05:07:44,200 --> 05:07:52,720
the board existed and the memberships

6680
05:07:47,360 --> 05:07:55,280
have been there since um many years and

6681
05:07:52,720 --> 05:07:57,760
they have been part of

6682
05:07:55,280 --> 05:08:00,040
our website.

6683
05:07:57,760 --> 05:08:02,560
They were formally reaffirmed on

6684
05:08:00,040 --> 05:08:04,640
February 10th of 2025. We have five

6685
05:08:02,560 --> 05:08:07,920
members that were appointed and

6686
05:08:04,640 --> 05:08:09,520
reaffirmed on February 10th of 2025.

6687
05:08:07,920 --> 05:08:11,680
Since then

6688
05:08:09,520 --> 05:08:12,840
7 years that I can

6689
05:08:11,680 --> 05:08:17,160
testify

6690
05:08:12,840 --> 05:08:17,160
we have not had the board reconvene.

6691
05:08:17,640 --> 05:08:22,520
The scope and the authority of the board

6692
05:08:19,600 --> 05:08:24,000
just quickly reminding the council and

6693
05:08:22,520 --> 05:08:26,960
the community

6694
05:08:24,000 --> 05:08:30,200
this board is to hear any appeals of a

6695
05:08:26,960 --> 05:08:32,320
building official action. It can also

6696
05:08:30,200 --> 05:08:34,520
approve alternate methods of construct

6697
05:08:32,320 --> 05:08:36,920
construction materials. It can also help

6698
05:08:34,520 --> 05:08:40,440
evaluate research report for alternate

6699
05:08:36,920 --> 05:08:42,200
methods. And also section 102 of the

6700
05:08:40,440 --> 05:08:45,040
California Building Code, they can

6701
05:08:42,200 --> 05:08:46,800
provide interpretation.

6702
05:08:45,040 --> 05:08:49,960
So, where are we with the current

6703
05:08:46,800 --> 05:08:52,560
Building Board of Appeals members?

6704
05:08:49,960 --> 05:08:56,120
We have five members.

6705
05:08:52,560 --> 05:08:58,880
Three of them we reached out and with

6706
05:08:56,120 --> 05:09:02,000
the help of the City Clerk's office,

6707
05:08:58,880 --> 05:09:04,320
we were able to get that information.

6708
05:09:02,000 --> 05:09:07,360
Three of them would like to continue

6709
05:09:04,320 --> 05:09:08,360
being part of the Building Board of

6710
05:09:07,360 --> 05:09:10,160
Appeals.

6711
05:09:08,360 --> 05:09:13,480
One

6712
05:09:10,160 --> 05:09:16,280
has submitted a resignation and one has

6713
05:09:13,480 --> 05:09:16,280
passed away.

6714
05:09:16,840 --> 05:09:20,160
Compared to other jurisdictions, last

6715
05:09:18,800 --> 05:09:22,800
time we brought you different

6716
05:09:20,160 --> 05:09:24,400
jurisdictions comparisons on how their

6717
05:09:22,800 --> 05:09:28,640
boards were

6718
05:09:24,400 --> 05:09:31,920
were integrated. Council also told us

6719
05:09:28,640 --> 05:09:35,680
provide us with coastal cities and then

6720
05:09:31,920 --> 05:09:39,480
coastal cities that we can relate. Um

6721
05:09:35,680 --> 05:09:41,480
So, in this list you will see we have a

6722
05:09:39,480 --> 05:09:44,320
comparison of the structure of the

6723
05:09:41,480 --> 05:09:46,840
boards. For the county, they have five

6724
05:09:44,320 --> 05:09:49,120
members, one an architect, one general

6725
05:09:46,840 --> 05:09:50,800
contractor, one is an attorney and two

6726
05:09:49,120 --> 05:09:52,800
structural engineers.

6727
05:09:50,800 --> 05:09:55,960
They serve at the pleasure of the Board

6728
05:09:52,800 --> 05:09:57,120
of Supervisors. City of South Pasadena

6729
05:09:55,960 --> 05:10:00,000
also

6730
05:09:57,120 --> 05:10:02,360
has five members, one architect, one

6731
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:05,000
builder, one attorney, two civil

6732
05:10:02,360 --> 05:10:07,560
structural engineers, each one with a 10

6733
05:10:05,000 --> 05:10:09,440
years of experience. They also serve at

6734
05:10:07,560 --> 05:10:10,600
the pleasure of the Pasadena City

6735
05:10:09,440 --> 05:10:12,400
Council.

6736
05:10:10,600 --> 05:10:14,520
City of Santa Barbara,

6737
05:10:12,400 --> 05:10:18,760
they have qualified by experience and

6738
05:10:14,520 --> 05:10:20,840
training. They hear both not only there

6739
05:10:18,760 --> 05:10:23,000
the Building Board of Appeals, but also

6740
05:10:20,840 --> 05:10:24,880
the Fire Code of Appeals. They have also

6741
05:10:23,000 --> 05:10:27,520
a four-term

6742
05:10:24,880 --> 05:10:29,520
a four-year term.

6743
05:10:27,520 --> 05:10:31,120
There's also the ability to have two

6744
05:10:29,520 --> 05:10:34,160
members with disabilities for

6745
05:10:31,120 --> 05:10:36,560
accessibility appeals. Uh the city of

6746
05:10:34,160 --> 05:10:38,760
Newport Beach has seven members. They

6747
05:10:36,560 --> 05:10:40,840
qualify by experience and training and

6748
05:10:38,760 --> 05:10:43,880
building construction. They are building

6749
05:10:40,840 --> 05:10:46,360
service equipment, fire protections, and

6750
05:10:43,880 --> 05:10:48,440
no residence requirements for the city

6751
05:10:46,360 --> 05:10:51,320
of Newport Beach. They also have a

6752
05:10:48,440 --> 05:10:54,120
four-year staggered term. The city of

6753
05:10:51,320 --> 05:10:56,240
Hermosa Beach has five qualified by

6754
05:10:54,120 --> 05:10:59,280
experience and training, no residence

6755
05:10:56,240 --> 05:11:02,120
requirement. The building official uh

6756
05:10:59,280 --> 05:11:04,920
serve as a non-voting ex officio uh

6757
05:11:02,120 --> 05:11:06,280
member and has no term limits at the

6758
05:11:04,920 --> 05:11:07,960
pleasure and serve as the pleasure of

6759
05:11:06,280 --> 05:11:09,800
the city council.

6760
05:11:07,960 --> 05:11:12,640
The city of Malibu uh

6761
05:11:09,800 --> 05:11:15,400
currently under our ordinance and uh

6762
05:11:12,640 --> 05:11:18,000
municipal code, uh we have defined as

6763
05:11:15,400 --> 05:11:20,560
qualified by experience and training. No

6764
05:11:18,000 --> 05:11:23,240
specific license disciplines or year of

6765
05:11:20,560 --> 05:11:25,440
requirements uh for those five members.

6766
05:11:23,240 --> 05:11:27,840
Uh the members just not need to be a

6767
05:11:25,440 --> 05:11:29,840
city officer or employees of the city,

6768
05:11:27,840 --> 05:11:32,640
and they also serve at the pleasure of

6769
05:11:29,840 --> 05:11:33,480
the city council.

6770
05:11:32,640 --> 05:11:37,480
Uh

6771
05:11:33,480 --> 05:11:39,440
two uh just a quick uh highlight, uh LA

6772
05:11:37,480 --> 05:11:40,880
County and South Pasadena mirror the

6773
05:11:39,440 --> 05:11:44,320
disciplines

6774
05:11:40,880 --> 05:11:45,360
uh more with the specific uh experience.

6775
05:11:44,320 --> 05:11:47,000
Uh

6776
05:11:45,360 --> 05:11:49,200
Like um

6777
05:11:47,000 --> 05:11:52,720
has such as attorneys, construction

6778
05:11:49,200 --> 05:11:52,720
engineers, and architects.

6779
05:11:52,880 --> 05:11:57,840
Um your direction.

6780
05:11:55,800 --> 05:12:00,880
Would you like to continue having the

6781
05:11:57,840 --> 05:12:02,800
board continue uh continue? Uh we have

6782
05:12:00,880 --> 05:12:05,000
three members that have confirmed

6783
05:12:02,800 --> 05:12:07,600
willingness to serve. We will have two

6784
05:12:05,000 --> 05:12:09,640
open uh recruitments at large.

6785
05:12:07,600 --> 05:12:12,200
Uh would you like to retain the

6786
05:12:09,640 --> 05:12:14,760
qualification standards just as we have

6787
05:12:12,200 --> 05:12:17,000
it on the municipal code? Or would you

6788
05:12:14,760 --> 05:12:19,200
like to adopt a city policy with a

6789
05:12:17,000 --> 05:12:21,920
specific disciplines

6790
05:12:19,200 --> 05:12:24,240
uh and backgrounds and licenses for this

6791
05:12:21,920 --> 05:12:26,600
uh um members of the board?

6792
05:12:24,240 --> 05:12:30,320
Geographically eligibility. Would you

6793
05:12:26,600 --> 05:12:32,520
like to um not require a geographic

6794
05:12:30,320 --> 05:12:35,680
eligibility or would you like to have a

6795
05:12:32,520 --> 05:12:38,160
Malibu residency with a minimum 10 years

6796
05:12:35,680 --> 05:12:40,960
of Malibu professional practice?

6797
05:12:38,160 --> 05:12:43,760
Also, if you would like to authorize

6798
05:12:40,960 --> 05:12:47,840
recruitment, so those are the items just

6799
05:12:43,760 --> 05:12:52,040
to keep in mind for your discussion.

6800
05:12:47,840 --> 05:12:55,840
If you decide to look more deep into the

6801
05:12:52,040 --> 05:12:57,720
qualification standards options, there

6802
05:12:55,840 --> 05:12:59,960
is four,

6803
05:12:57,720 --> 05:13:02,880
retaining what we have, which is a

6804
05:12:59,960 --> 05:13:05,200
qualified by experience training with no

6805
05:13:02,880 --> 05:13:09,000
license or certifications as current

6806
05:13:05,200 --> 05:13:11,440
stand stands in our municipal code. This

6807
05:13:09,000 --> 05:13:13,320
will be very consistent with the city of

6808
05:13:11,440 --> 05:13:15,600
Newport Beach, Hermosa Beach and Santa

6809
05:13:13,320 --> 05:13:17,200
Barbara. Or would you like to adopt a

6810
05:13:15,600 --> 05:13:19,960
city policy?

6811
05:13:17,200 --> 05:13:21,400
This could be an administrative document

6812
05:13:19,960 --> 05:13:23,360
that will establish preference

6813
05:13:21,400 --> 05:13:25,880
disciplines and expertise to guide

6814
05:13:23,360 --> 05:13:29,360
council and appointment authority. It

6815
05:13:25,880 --> 05:13:31,960
can implement be implemented right away.

6816
05:13:29,360 --> 05:13:35,600
Also, there's an option C.

6817
05:13:31,960 --> 05:13:37,520
You can we can amend the municipal code,

6818
05:13:35,600 --> 05:13:40,040
go through a legislative action

6819
05:13:37,520 --> 05:13:42,000
requiring public noticing, hearing and

6820
05:13:40,040 --> 05:13:44,120
adoption and ordinance based on the

6821
05:13:42,000 --> 05:13:45,320
current staff analysis.

6822
05:13:44,120 --> 05:13:47,320
And

6823
05:13:45,320 --> 05:13:50,240
and subject to the building code

6824
05:13:47,320 --> 05:13:50,240
moratorium.

6825
05:13:50,720 --> 05:13:57,040
Just a few and this is on your

6826
05:13:54,160 --> 05:13:58,240
staff report. I wanted to provide you

6827
05:13:57,040 --> 05:14:00,080
with

6828
05:13:58,240 --> 05:14:01,600
a list of disciplines for your

6829
05:14:00,080 --> 05:14:03,360
consideration.

6830
05:14:01,600 --> 05:14:05,640
At the end, we are looking for your

6831
05:14:03,360 --> 05:14:07,400
direction.

6832
05:14:05,640 --> 05:14:10,160
Example, if you have a structural

6833
05:14:07,400 --> 05:14:11,440
engineer on the board, they can provide

6834
05:14:10,160 --> 05:14:13,680
with

6835
05:14:11,440 --> 05:14:16,640
more structural expertise and

6836
05:14:13,680 --> 05:14:19,200
background, foundation disputes, seismic

6837
05:14:16,640 --> 05:14:22,200
design, hill structure systems. A

6838
05:14:19,200 --> 05:14:24,600
geotechnical engineer can also have the

6839
05:14:22,200 --> 05:14:27,360
expertise on landslide zones, expansive

6840
05:14:24,600 --> 05:14:30,800
soil, coastal bluffs, site stability

6841
05:14:27,360 --> 05:14:32,600
determination. An architect can also

6842
05:14:30,800 --> 05:14:34,920
provide and bring to the board an

6843
05:14:32,600 --> 05:14:36,800
alternate methods or materials,

6844
05:14:34,920 --> 05:14:39,760
code interpretation,

6845
05:14:36,800 --> 05:14:41,720
general contractor can have the practice

6846
05:14:39,760 --> 05:14:45,120
field performance

6847
05:14:41,720 --> 05:14:46,760
that might needed on the board. As far

6848
05:14:45,120 --> 05:14:49,600
as an attorney on construction

6849
05:14:46,760 --> 05:14:50,800
administrative law, they can provide

6850
05:14:49,600 --> 05:14:52,960
with

6851
05:14:50,800 --> 05:14:55,920
more judicial review and written

6852
05:14:52,960 --> 05:14:57,800
response. So, just for your for your

6853
05:14:55,920 --> 05:15:01,520
information.

6854
05:14:57,800 --> 05:15:03,000
And then, geographically eligibility

6855
05:15:01,520 --> 05:15:04,760
options,

6856
05:15:03,000 --> 05:15:06,800
you might decide, you know, we are good

6857
05:15:04,760 --> 05:15:08,640
with the current requirements as

6858
05:15:06,800 --> 05:15:11,920
assistant municipal code. We don't need

6859
05:15:08,640 --> 05:15:14,400
to have a geographic requirements

6860
05:15:11,920 --> 05:15:17,360
limiting the pool of

6861
05:15:14,400 --> 05:15:19,720
of people that can apply for this

6862
05:15:17,360 --> 05:15:22,560
boards. Um

6863
05:15:19,720 --> 05:15:23,760
or you can require and restrict it only

6864
05:15:22,560 --> 05:15:27,480
to

6865
05:15:23,760 --> 05:15:29,680
um community members that may have a

6866
05:15:27,480 --> 05:15:31,400
strong community connection.

6867
05:15:29,680 --> 05:15:35,480
Just for your consideration, the

6868
05:15:31,400 --> 05:15:37,200
population is small and so, insufficient

6869
05:15:35,480 --> 05:15:39,440
pool of qualified professionals. We

6870
05:15:37,200 --> 05:15:40,840
might face that, but just wanted to

6871
05:15:39,440 --> 05:15:43,600
provide you

6872
05:15:40,840 --> 05:15:45,440
more information that 10 years of Malibu

6873
05:15:43,600 --> 05:15:48,480
professional practice.

6874
05:15:45,440 --> 05:15:50,040
Um you will have Malibu specific

6875
05:15:48,480 --> 05:15:51,840
standards

6876
05:15:50,040 --> 05:15:53,840
that can help the board make the

6877
05:15:51,840 --> 05:15:56,120
decisions.

6878
05:15:53,840 --> 05:15:58,080
Um as far as fiscal impacts and

6879
05:15:56,120 --> 05:16:00,000
appointment requirements, just very

6880
05:15:58,080 --> 05:16:02,280
briefly,

6881
05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:04,360
this will require for us to have public

6882
05:16:02,280 --> 05:16:06,440
notices, printing and stuff, time for

6883
05:16:04,360 --> 05:16:10,240
application processes, and appointment

6884
05:16:06,440 --> 05:16:12,440
preparations. We have added it to the um

6885
05:16:10,240 --> 05:16:14,000
new budget.

6886
05:16:12,440 --> 05:16:16,080
And as far as the appointment

6887
05:16:14,000 --> 05:16:18,760
requirements, it will follow the exact

6888
05:16:16,080 --> 05:16:21,000
thing that we follow for any other

6889
05:16:18,760 --> 05:16:24,240
uh commissions.

6890
05:16:21,000 --> 05:16:26,320
So, the item uh in front of you um for

6891
05:16:24,240 --> 05:16:27,320
your discussion

6892
05:16:26,320 --> 05:16:29,400
um

6893
05:16:27,320 --> 05:16:32,240
with the app recommended actions,

6894
05:16:29,400 --> 05:16:33,680
continuity of the board, you would like

6895
05:16:32,240 --> 05:16:35,480
you would like to retain it or

6896
05:16:33,680 --> 05:16:36,520
reconstitute it.

6897
05:16:35,480 --> 05:16:38,520
Would you like to look at the

6898
05:16:36,520 --> 05:16:41,160
qualification standards? Would you like

6899
05:16:38,520 --> 05:16:43,480
to retain the the current standards or

6900
05:16:41,160 --> 05:16:44,680
adopt a city policy?

6901
05:16:43,480 --> 05:16:48,200
Would you like to look at the

6902
05:16:44,680 --> 05:16:49,680
geographically eligibility as far as

6903
05:16:48,200 --> 05:16:51,320
residency?

6904
05:16:49,680 --> 05:16:53,720
And

6905
05:16:51,320 --> 05:16:57,760
if you also would like to authorize

6906
05:16:53,720 --> 05:16:59,520
staff to open the um

6907
05:16:57,760 --> 05:17:01,920
appeals member application and

6908
05:16:59,520 --> 05:17:04,560
recruitment announcement. With that,

6909
05:17:01,920 --> 05:17:06,600
concludes my presentation um in front of

6910
05:17:04,560 --> 05:17:08,360
you uh we are here, your city attorney,

6911
05:17:06,600 --> 05:17:09,960
your city clerk,

6912
05:17:08,360 --> 05:17:12,040
and your community development director

6913
05:17:09,960 --> 05:17:14,000
to answer any questions you may have.

6914
05:17:12,040 --> 05:17:15,600
» Thank you for that presentation.

6915
05:17:14,000 --> 05:17:17,480
Um does anybody have any qualifying

6916
05:17:15,600 --> 05:17:19,960
questions before we go to the public

6917
05:17:17,480 --> 05:17:23,160
comment?

6918
05:17:19,960 --> 05:17:24,400
Right. Is there anybody on Zoom?

6919
05:17:23,160 --> 05:17:26,120
» There are no raised hands.

6920
05:17:24,400 --> 05:17:27,960
» Okay, so there will be no public comment

6921
05:17:26,120 --> 05:17:30,880
from Zoom. We have four speaker slips,

6922
05:17:27,960 --> 05:17:35,040
Marissa Coughlin, Dean Winner, Darren

6923
05:17:30,880 --> 05:17:35,040
Graves, and Danny Smith in that order.

6924
05:17:41,520 --> 05:17:45,440
» Thank you, members of the council.

6925
05:17:43,440 --> 05:17:47,880
Uh I'm one of the individuals that's

6926
05:17:45,440 --> 05:17:49,880
currently on the Board of Appeals.

6927
05:17:47,880 --> 05:17:52,240
Uh just to address some of the things

6928
05:17:49,880 --> 05:17:54,440
that Miss Bendy discussed, I've lived

6929
05:17:52,240 --> 05:17:56,520
here since 1968.

6930
05:17:54,440 --> 05:18:00,440
My husband was a licensed contractor for

6931
05:17:56,520 --> 05:18:02,400
61 years. I gave up my license in '84

6932
05:18:00,440 --> 05:18:04,960
because I was doing planning and permit

6933
05:18:02,400 --> 05:18:06,880
expediting and there was no point paying

6934
05:18:04,960 --> 05:18:08,440
all that insurance and workers' comp for

6935
05:18:06,880 --> 05:18:10,600
two licenses.

6936
05:18:08,440 --> 05:18:11,240
Um uh I've [clears throat] uh

6937
05:18:10,600 --> 05:18:12,800
uh

6938
05:18:11,240 --> 05:18:15,280
I think that the board should be

6939
05:18:12,800 --> 05:18:17,440
utilized more efficiently than it has

6940
05:18:15,280 --> 05:18:20,280
been. There were many times when I saw

6941
05:18:17,440 --> 05:18:21,760
what we we could implement or assist

6942
05:18:20,280 --> 05:18:25,000
with something the council was

6943
05:18:21,760 --> 05:18:26,440
discussing. And I I hope that it stays

6944
05:18:25,000 --> 05:18:30,040
in place and I would like to be

6945
05:18:26,440 --> 05:18:31,560
reconsidered to remain. Thank you.

6946
05:18:30,040 --> 05:18:33,920
» Thank you, Merissa.

6947
05:18:31,560 --> 05:18:33,920
Dean.

6948
05:18:36,394 --> 05:18:38,414
» [clears throat]

6949
05:18:40,160 --> 05:18:43,000
» I think it's healthy as it's been Excuse

6950
05:18:42,120 --> 05:18:44,960
me. [clears throat] I think it's healthy

6951
05:18:43,000 --> 05:18:47,280
as it was outlined relative to being a

6952
05:18:44,960 --> 05:18:48,720
tool for the city. If we have to use it,

6953
05:18:47,280 --> 05:18:50,120
I'm afraid it really means we're not

6954
05:18:48,720 --> 05:18:52,120
going to be streamlined cuz we should be

6955
05:18:50,120 --> 05:18:54,920
able to work these things out. The thing

6956
05:18:52,120 --> 05:18:57,040
I wanted to point out relative to Malibu

6957
05:18:54,920 --> 05:18:59,520
professional practice, should we go down

6958
05:18:57,040 --> 05:19:01,680
this path, please consider what's

6959
05:18:59,520 --> 05:19:03,880
written here says that it ensures that

6960
05:19:01,680 --> 05:19:06,200
board members have first-hand experience

6961
05:19:03,880 --> 05:19:08,840
with the types of projects and disputes

6962
05:19:06,200 --> 05:19:11,120
that arise in Malibu specifically. The

6963
05:19:08,840 --> 05:19:13,720
single largest issue I've had since

6964
05:19:11,120 --> 05:19:15,680
we've been trying to rebuild is is not

6965
05:19:13,720 --> 05:19:18,200
with the current staff and the way how

6966
05:19:15,680 --> 05:19:20,360
we've progressed, but in the past, as

6967
05:19:18,200 --> 05:19:21,800
well as with our current contractors,

6968
05:19:20,360 --> 05:19:24,040
people have a hell of a time letting go

6969
05:19:21,800 --> 05:19:25,360
of the Coastal Act and the LCP.

6970
05:19:24,040 --> 05:19:27,600
And [snorts] with like-for-like

6971
05:19:25,360 --> 05:19:29,680
rebuilding, it doesn't apply. So, please

6972
05:19:27,600 --> 05:19:32,280
take that into account with candidates

6973
05:19:29,680 --> 05:19:34,040
because if we have candidates who refuse

6974
05:19:32,280 --> 05:19:35,080
to implement the law under the executive

6975
05:19:34,040 --> 05:19:36,360
orders,

6976
05:19:35,080 --> 05:19:37,840
we got a problem.

6977
05:19:36,360 --> 05:19:39,400
And that's one of the biggest issues

6978
05:19:37,840 --> 05:19:40,880
we're dealing with as like-for-like

6979
05:19:39,400 --> 05:19:42,120
rebuilders.

6980
05:19:40,880 --> 05:19:43,040
Um, so I'm not throwing stones at the

6981
05:19:42,120 --> 05:19:45,120
city.

6982
05:19:43,040 --> 05:19:46,640
We have it with our contractors as well.

6983
05:19:45,120 --> 05:19:48,280
And the owners don't know enough to

6984
05:19:46,640 --> 05:19:50,640
stick up for themselves.

6985
05:19:48,280 --> 05:19:52,920
Um, so, you know, I don't see this as a

6986
05:19:50,640 --> 05:19:55,240
panacea. It's a nice thing to have

6987
05:19:52,920 --> 05:19:56,680
should people need it. Um, but please

6988
05:19:55,240 --> 05:19:59,160
take it into account when you're putting

6989
05:19:56,680 --> 05:20:00,640
people on this board. Thank you.

6990
05:19:59,160 --> 05:20:03,000
» Thanks, Dean.

6991
05:20:00,640 --> 05:20:03,000
Darren.

6992
05:20:08,840 --> 05:20:11,680
» Uh, good evening, honorable mayor,

6993
05:20:10,240 --> 05:20:14,840
honorable city council members, city

6994
05:20:11,680 --> 05:20:16,800
manager. Uh I want to thank you for,

6995
05:20:14,840 --> 05:20:18,560
you know, digging around and finding

6996
05:20:16,800 --> 05:20:21,880
this and agendizing the Building Board

6997
05:20:18,560 --> 05:20:24,720
of Appeals uh as it is uh mandated

6998
05:20:21,880 --> 05:20:27,840
board, and as the city is now rebuilding

6999
05:20:24,720 --> 05:20:30,640
approximately 14% of its residences, it

7000
05:20:27,840 --> 05:20:32,000
may be called into uh hear appeals every

7001
05:20:30,640 --> 05:20:33,080
now and again.

7002
05:20:32,000 --> 05:20:34,560
Um

7003
05:20:33,080 --> 05:20:38,120
I would state that the intent of this

7004
05:20:34,560 --> 05:20:40,040
board is to uh determine the intent of

7005
05:20:38,120 --> 05:20:41,560
the building code as it relates to a

7006
05:20:40,040 --> 05:20:43,560
written appeal

7007
05:20:41,560 --> 05:20:44,640
upon a decision made by the building

7008
05:20:43,560 --> 05:20:46,040
official.

7009
05:20:44,640 --> 05:20:48,240
And um

7010
05:20:46,040 --> 05:20:50,240
as such, the Malibu Rebuild Task Force

7011
05:20:48,240 --> 05:20:52,000
and I believe that this Building Board

7012
05:20:50,240 --> 05:20:54,800
of Appeals needs to be populated by

7013
05:20:52,000 --> 05:20:56,840
professionals who know the building code

7014
05:20:54,800 --> 05:20:58,480
uh and its applicability to the homes,

7015
05:20:56,840 --> 05:21:00,496
motels, and offices that are being

7016
05:20:58,480 --> 05:21:00,600
constructed in Malibu.

7017
05:21:00,496 --> 05:21:02,520
» [snorts]

7018
05:21:00,600 --> 05:21:04,080
» The majority of the projects in Malibu

7019
05:21:02,520 --> 05:21:05,800
Malibu appear to be single-family

7020
05:21:04,080 --> 05:21:07,520
dwellings, and the build the Building

7021
05:21:05,800 --> 05:21:09,600
Board of Appeals should be populated by

7022
05:21:07,520 --> 05:21:12,960
those individuals

7023
05:21:09,600 --> 05:21:14,720
who understand the type of construction

7024
05:21:12,960 --> 05:21:15,720
in Malibu. That means the California

7025
05:21:14,720 --> 05:21:17,400
Building Code, the California

7026
05:21:15,720 --> 05:21:20,360
Residential Code, the Malibu Municipal

7027
05:21:17,400 --> 05:21:22,040
Code, and potentially the Coastal Act if

7028
05:21:20,360 --> 05:21:25,600
it's not a rebuild.

7029
05:21:22,040 --> 05:21:27,800
Um so, we believe that the board should

7030
05:21:25,600 --> 05:21:29,160
be repopulated. Uh I don't think that

7031
05:21:27,800 --> 05:21:31,440
the current members all have the

7032
05:21:29,160 --> 05:21:33,520
qualifications uh that are recommended

7033
05:21:31,440 --> 05:21:35,680
by the Building Board of Appeals.

7034
05:21:33,520 --> 05:21:38,000
Um I would like the city council to

7035
05:21:35,680 --> 05:21:39,640
adopt a resolution which requires the

7036
05:21:38,000 --> 05:21:41,280
applicants to demonstrate proven

7037
05:21:39,640 --> 05:21:43,240
experience in the building design and

7038
05:21:41,280 --> 05:21:45,160
construction industries, as well as the

7039
05:21:43,240 --> 05:21:47,200
legal profession which relates to these

7040
05:21:45,160 --> 05:21:50,760
areas of expertise. Licensed

7041
05:21:47,200 --> 05:21:52,840
professionals would be preferred, and um

7042
05:21:50,760 --> 05:21:53,960
knowledge of the local building codes is

7043
05:21:52,840 --> 05:21:55,880
required.

7044
05:21:53,960 --> 05:21:57,480
Uh the eligible applicants need not

7045
05:21:55,880 --> 05:22:00,000
reside in Malibu because that will

7046
05:21:57,480 --> 05:22:02,240
reduce your potential applicant pool

7047
05:22:00,000 --> 05:22:04,880
greatly, and you don't need to live here

7048
05:22:02,240 --> 05:22:06,320
to understand issues that are being, you

7049
05:22:04,880 --> 05:22:08,440
know, appealed here. There's Laguna

7050
05:22:06,320 --> 05:22:09,840
Beach, Hermosa Beach, Santa Barbara.

7051
05:22:08,440 --> 05:22:12,400
Professionals all over the state could

7052
05:22:09,840 --> 05:22:14,120
have these thoughts and, you know, judge

7053
05:22:12,400 --> 05:22:16,120
these appeals correctly.

7054
05:22:14,120 --> 05:22:18,200
Um and finally, please recruit as soon

7055
05:22:16,120 --> 05:22:20,440
as possible. Uh the fact that one of

7056
05:22:18,200 --> 05:22:23,360
these board members is deceased and has

7057
05:22:20,440 --> 05:22:24,680
been for 3 years is kind of alarming

7058
05:22:23,360 --> 05:22:27,720
because if there was an appeal that was

7059
05:22:24,680 --> 05:22:29,920
heard tomorrow, that lawyer wouldn't be

7060
05:22:27,720 --> 05:22:32,000
here to, you know, give his legal advice

7061
05:22:29,920 --> 05:22:34,680
to the board during that appeal. So,

7062
05:22:32,000 --> 05:22:37,600
thank you once again, and um

7063
05:22:34,680 --> 05:22:38,800
uh please consider our stance.

7064
05:22:37,600 --> 05:22:41,920
» Thank you, Darren.

7065
05:22:38,800 --> 05:22:43,040
Last speaker is Danny Smith.

7066
05:22:41,920 --> 05:22:45,120
Okay.

7067
05:22:43,040 --> 05:22:48,880
That closes public comment. Bring back

7068
05:22:45,120 --> 05:22:48,880
City Council. Who would like to start?

7069
05:22:49,960 --> 05:22:53,680
» I might suggest if if

7070
05:22:51,840 --> 05:22:55,360
we get past the general comments that we

7071
05:22:53,680 --> 05:22:58,320
take each one of these recommended

7072
05:22:55,360 --> 05:23:00,840
categories, each one of the sections,

7073
05:22:58,320 --> 05:23:02,920
and just do a consent or

7074
05:23:00,840 --> 05:23:03,880
consensus on which one we want to go

7075
05:23:02,920 --> 05:23:04,880
with.

7076
05:23:03,880 --> 05:23:05,560
Looks like there's four or five

7077
05:23:04,880 --> 05:23:07,600
different uh

7078
05:23:05,560 --> 05:23:09,080
» Can you put the slide back? Sorry to

7079
05:23:07,600 --> 05:23:12,720
interrupt, Doug, but I really like the

7080
05:23:09,080 --> 05:23:14,080
visual on the the slide of what we're

7081
05:23:12,720 --> 05:23:16,000
Is that it?

7082
05:23:14,080 --> 05:23:17,720
I think there's a different one.

7083
05:23:16,000 --> 05:23:18,640
There was a different one.

7084
05:23:17,720 --> 05:23:20,360
Oh.

7085
05:23:18,640 --> 05:23:21,400
Was that it? There was another one that

7086
05:23:20,360 --> 05:23:22,280
was less wordy.

7087
05:23:21,400 --> 05:23:24,040
» Yeah.

7088
05:23:22,280 --> 05:23:25,320
But each one each one of the each one of

7089
05:23:24,040 --> 05:23:25,640
those is a

7090
05:23:25,320 --> 05:23:26,960
uh

7091
05:23:25,640 --> 05:23:27,560
» Okay, direction.

7092
05:23:26,960 --> 05:23:29,000
» Yeah.

7093
05:23:27,560 --> 05:23:32,400
» Okay. Well,

7094
05:23:29,000 --> 05:23:32,400
we can vote on which sides.

7095
05:23:32,520 --> 05:23:39,720
So, board continuity, retain who we've

7096
05:23:34,840 --> 05:23:43,120
got or open it all up and start over.

7097
05:23:39,720 --> 05:23:46,480
I see there's two pathways to that. I'd

7098
05:23:43,120 --> 05:23:48,840
start over and they can re um

7099
05:23:46,480 --> 05:23:50,280
submit if they'd like.

7100
05:23:48,840 --> 05:23:52,240
» Well, let's let's just figure out first

7101
05:23:50,280 --> 05:23:53,760
whether we should address it the way

7102
05:23:52,240 --> 05:23:55,200
Doug just suggested or whether we want

7103
05:23:53,760 --> 05:23:57,400
to all make general comments about all

7104
05:23:55,200 --> 05:23:58,280
the categories and then and then vote on

7105
05:23:57,400 --> 05:23:58,960
this.

7106
05:23:58,280 --> 05:24:00,840
So.

7107
05:23:58,960 --> 05:24:03,200
» What's quickest?

7108
05:24:00,840 --> 05:24:05,160
And most thorough?

7109
05:24:03,200 --> 05:24:07,360
» Well,

7110
05:24:05,160 --> 05:24:09,480
there's probably efficiencies in both

7111
05:24:07,360 --> 05:24:11,040
directions. So, it's just a question of

7112
05:24:09,480 --> 05:24:12,880
who who wants to which way do we want to

7113
05:24:11,040 --> 05:24:14,200
proceed? Doug Doug's already stated his

7114
05:24:12,880 --> 05:24:15,480
preference.

7115
05:24:14,200 --> 05:24:17,120
Does anybody object to that one?

7116
05:24:15,480 --> 05:24:18,880
» I would say take them one at a time and

7117
05:24:17,120 --> 05:24:19,880
just power through it.

7118
05:24:18,880 --> 05:24:20,520
» Steve, you're okay with that?

7119
05:24:19,880 --> 05:24:21,440
» Yeah.

7120
05:24:20,520 --> 05:24:22,680
Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

7121
05:24:21,440 --> 05:24:23,960
» All right. So, it it sounds looks like

7122
05:24:22,680 --> 05:24:26,600
we got at least a majority already.

7123
05:24:23,960 --> 05:24:27,680
Let's let's go that way. So, Doug, why

7124
05:24:26,600 --> 05:24:28,520
don't you start

7125
05:24:27,680 --> 05:24:30,080
with the first issue?

7126
05:24:28,520 --> 05:24:32,520
» First one? First one's uh board

7127
05:24:30,080 --> 05:24:32,520
continuity.

7128
05:24:33,480 --> 05:24:38,480
Uh board continuity.

7129
05:24:36,200 --> 05:24:40,400
We've got um

7130
05:24:38,480 --> 05:24:42,640
actually seven positions and I think we

7131
05:24:40,400 --> 05:24:43,760
need to fill all seven.

7132
05:24:42,640 --> 05:24:44,960
» If I

7133
05:24:43,760 --> 05:24:46,800
If I may really quick, sorry to

7134
05:24:44,960 --> 05:24:49,360
interrupt, but the the two alternates

7135
05:24:46,800 --> 05:24:52,240
are not positions that

7136
05:24:49,360 --> 05:24:53,600
we're eligible to my knowledge to to to

7137
05:24:52,240 --> 05:24:55,200
fill as part of this.

7138
05:24:53,600 --> 05:24:56,480
» There are no alternate positions that

7139
05:24:55,200 --> 05:24:57,320
are provided for in the code.

7140
05:24:56,480 --> 05:24:59,960
» I thought there were.

7141
05:24:57,320 --> 05:25:01,360
» We looked into this issue um since the

7142
05:24:59,960 --> 05:25:03,800
body hadn't been looked at very closely

7143
05:25:01,360 --> 05:25:05,680
in many years. Reading the code, it only

7144
05:25:03,800 --> 05:25:07,400
has a provision provision for five

7145
05:25:05,680 --> 05:25:08,600
members. I was able to find what I

7146
05:25:07,400 --> 05:25:10,720
believe was the original appointment

7147
05:25:08,600 --> 05:25:12,560
item from 1997

7148
05:25:10,720 --> 05:25:14,080
um where staff had recommended the

7149
05:25:12,560 --> 05:25:15,760
council appoint two alternates, but

7150
05:25:14,080 --> 05:25:17,640
there was no justification or code

7151
05:25:15,760 --> 05:25:19,280
references to support that. So, we don't

7152
05:25:17,640 --> 05:25:20,760
recommend appointing alternates at this

7153
05:25:19,280 --> 05:25:23,920
time.

7154
05:25:20,760 --> 05:25:24,720
» Okay, so we got we got five positions.

7155
05:25:23,920 --> 05:25:25,120
All right.

7156
05:25:24,720 --> 05:25:26,240
All right.

7157
05:25:25,120 --> 05:25:28,040
» No, thank you.

7158
05:25:26,240 --> 05:25:30,200
» Clark, it's already we've got two

7159
05:25:28,040 --> 05:25:31,960
positions for us to fill.

7160
05:25:30,200 --> 05:25:34,040
Um

7161
05:25:31,960 --> 05:25:37,280
I'm indifferent whether we ask them to

7162
05:25:34,040 --> 05:25:38,320
reapply or or not. Uh

7163
05:25:37,280 --> 05:25:40,600
honestly, I think it's going to be

7164
05:25:38,320 --> 05:25:42,400
difficult to fill these positions

7165
05:25:40,600 --> 05:25:44,160
because they're unpaid

7166
05:25:42,400 --> 05:25:46,280
and

7167
05:25:44,160 --> 05:25:47,440
it it if you have too many sessions, I

7168
05:25:46,280 --> 05:25:49,320
mean it

7169
05:25:47,440 --> 05:25:51,040
like the planning commission, if you're

7170
05:25:49,320 --> 05:25:53,360
going to meet every month,

7171
05:25:51,040 --> 05:25:54,400
um it's a lot to ask of a

7172
05:25:53,360 --> 05:25:57,160
especially if they don't live in the

7173
05:25:54,400 --> 05:26:00,000
city. So, um

7174
05:25:57,160 --> 05:26:02,680
I'm in I'm inclined to say that uh

7175
05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:04,840
we ask everybody to reapply.

7176
05:26:02,680 --> 05:26:06,400
We're doing it the first three people to

7177
05:26:04,840 --> 05:26:08,760
be considered will be the three that are

7178
05:26:06,400 --> 05:26:10,320
willing to serve. And then see if we can

7179
05:26:08,760 --> 05:26:12,320
do uh

7180
05:26:10,320 --> 05:26:15,480
what we do about the other two. And the

7181
05:26:12,320 --> 05:26:15,480
rest of the standards here.

7182
05:26:16,160 --> 05:26:21,440
So, I'm I'm in favor of um

7183
05:26:18,920 --> 05:26:21,440
I guess it's

7184
05:26:22,520 --> 05:26:25,920
I guess we only have an A and B option.

7185
05:26:24,720 --> 05:26:28,600
There's a

7186
05:26:25,920 --> 05:26:30,160
uh open recruitment for the

7187
05:26:28,600 --> 05:26:32,000
for the two at large.

7188
05:26:30,160 --> 05:26:34,840
For open open recruitment for all

7189
05:26:32,000 --> 05:26:38,720
positions. But encourage the three that

7190
05:26:34,840 --> 05:26:38,720
uh are on the board to reapply.

7191
05:26:39,200 --> 05:26:44,320
Yeah?

7192
05:26:40,560 --> 05:26:46,520
» Um I'm just I think just open it up. I

7193
05:26:44,320 --> 05:26:48,160
actually the two or three that are

7194
05:26:46,520 --> 05:26:50,640
there, I think they're expediters. And

7195
05:26:48,160 --> 05:26:52,760
I'm not sure if that's with it within

7196
05:26:50,640 --> 05:26:56,440
hour. I don't I need a definition I

7197
05:26:52,760 --> 05:26:58,040
guess of because I don't see that being

7198
05:26:56,440 --> 05:27:00,720
the criteria, right? So, there's

7199
05:26:58,040 --> 05:27:03,960
architect, lawyer, civil engineer. Are

7200
05:27:00,720 --> 05:27:06,840
we opening it up to expediters?

7201
05:27:03,960 --> 05:27:10,520
» Just for clarification for the council.

7202
05:27:06,840 --> 05:27:13,440
Uh Lisa Niles is a licensed architect,

7203
05:27:10,520 --> 05:27:15,440
uh also a contractor. I believe um

7204
05:27:13,440 --> 05:27:18,480
Marissa is a

7205
05:27:15,440 --> 05:27:21,040
contractor, uh licensed contractor.

7206
05:27:18,480 --> 05:27:22,560
» I built the development center

7207
05:27:21,040 --> 05:27:24,440
» Okay, Marissa, this is not a time for

7208
05:27:22,560 --> 05:27:26,840
conversation. That's Please

7209
05:27:24,440 --> 05:27:28,840
» Good to be clarified. I appreciate that.

7210
05:27:26,840 --> 05:27:31,480
Um are we going with So, I just think

7211
05:27:28,840 --> 05:27:33,320
that if these felt uh people want to

7212
05:27:31,480 --> 05:27:35,880
reestablish themselves, they just

7213
05:27:33,320 --> 05:27:37,880
resubmit. We can see their applications

7214
05:27:35,880 --> 05:27:40,680
like we do with other things, and then

7215
05:27:37,880 --> 05:27:43,840
it's a public forum in which we discuss

7216
05:27:40,680 --> 05:27:47,120
the five or 10 people that come forward.

7217
05:27:43,840 --> 05:27:48,760
And then we all kind of straw man or

7218
05:27:47,120 --> 05:27:52,400
That's how I'm seeing it. I've never

7219
05:27:48,760 --> 05:27:54,000
done an at-large election.

7220
05:27:52,400 --> 05:27:56,400
Is that how it works?

7221
05:27:54,000 --> 05:27:58,680
» Yes, at-large appointments to boards and

7222
05:27:56,400 --> 05:28:01,120
commissions that typically a notice is

7223
05:27:58,680 --> 05:28:03,360
sent out to solicit names.

7224
05:28:01,120 --> 05:28:04,680
Staff will review those. We prepare an

7225
05:28:03,360 --> 05:28:06,200
agenda item, bring it back and the

7226
05:28:04,680 --> 05:28:07,520
council will vet them.

7227
05:28:06,200 --> 05:28:09,400
» We look at resumes, we look at

7228
05:28:07,520 --> 05:28:11,280
experience, if they're you know, okay.

7229
05:28:09,400 --> 05:28:13,200
» Make public comment, make their case.

7230
05:28:11,280 --> 05:28:15,600
» Make their case, public comment, it's a

7231
05:28:13,200 --> 05:28:16,360
thing. Um okay, so that was my number

7232
05:28:15,600 --> 05:28:19,240
one.

7233
05:28:16,360 --> 05:28:19,240
» Okay, Steve.

7234
05:28:19,280 --> 05:28:22,120
» I I think the

7235
05:28:20,840 --> 05:28:24,600
earlier comment was saying it's going to

7236
05:28:22,120 --> 05:28:25,920
be tough to fill though.

7237
05:28:24,600 --> 05:28:29,160
It's going to be tough to fill these

7238
05:28:25,920 --> 05:28:31,480
positions is is right the spot on.

7239
05:28:29,160 --> 05:28:31,480
Uh

7240
05:28:31,640 --> 05:28:35,640
you know, Lisa Nieles is an architect

7241
05:28:34,320 --> 05:28:37,240
and her father her father is a very

7242
05:28:35,640 --> 05:28:39,200
famous architect.

7243
05:28:37,240 --> 05:28:41,120
Uh

7244
05:28:39,200 --> 05:28:42,720
Lisa's been around a long time. You

7245
05:28:41,120 --> 05:28:45,080
know, she knows her stuff probably

7246
05:28:42,720 --> 05:28:46,960
better than anybody else in the city.

7247
05:28:45,080 --> 05:28:48,440
All right? I mean, she's been working on

7248
05:28:46,960 --> 05:28:49,680
So,

7249
05:28:48,440 --> 05:28:52,240
I don't know why I'd want to bounce

7250
05:28:49,680 --> 05:28:54,520
those people off.

7251
05:28:52,240 --> 05:28:54,960
So, who's the third one?

7252
05:28:54,520 --> 05:28:55,560
» Len Hecox.

7253
05:28:54,960 --> 05:28:57,480
» Len Hecox.

7254
05:28:55,560 --> 05:28:59,440
» Len Hecox. He's out of He's out of San

7255
05:28:57,480 --> 05:29:00,440
Clemente or some place, right?

7256
05:28:59,440 --> 05:29:01,680
» That is correct.

7257
05:29:00,440 --> 05:29:03,840
» What does he do?

7258
05:29:01,680 --> 05:29:04,400
» I think he's just an expediter.

7259
05:29:03,840 --> 05:29:06,600
» Yes.

7260
05:29:04,400 --> 05:29:08,560
» I used him.

7261
05:29:06,600 --> 05:29:10,360
Well, he's an expediter.

7262
05:29:08,560 --> 05:29:12,560
» Okay.

7263
05:29:10,360 --> 05:29:14,000
I'd like to get another other than an

7264
05:29:12,560 --> 05:29:15,920
expediter to get a a

7265
05:29:14,000 --> 05:29:16,600
some kind of professional going in this

7266
05:29:15,920 --> 05:29:18,880
slot.

7267
05:29:16,600 --> 05:29:20,280
» Yeah, um you know, we agreed we're going

7268
05:29:18,880 --> 05:29:21,480
to do these one at a time and it and it

7269
05:29:20,280 --> 05:29:23,160
doesn't make sense, but you know, if we

7270
05:29:21,480 --> 05:29:25,680
were to go, for example, with the

7271
05:29:23,160 --> 05:29:27,160
county's regimen where it specifies the

7272
05:29:25,680 --> 05:29:29,320
types of positions, that would

7273
05:29:27,160 --> 05:29:31,960
automatically disqualify

7274
05:29:29,320 --> 05:29:34,680
one of our five one of our four.

7275
05:29:31,960 --> 05:29:36,680
So,

7276
05:29:34,680 --> 05:29:37,560
only get three. One of our three, that's

7277
05:29:36,680 --> 05:29:40,040
right.

7278
05:29:37,560 --> 05:29:42,000
Um but let let's continue, but just keep

7279
05:29:40,040 --> 05:29:44,760
that in mind that if we were to adopt

7280
05:29:42,000 --> 05:29:44,800
the rules of specifying

7281
05:29:44,760 --> 05:29:45,200
um

7282
05:29:44,800 --> 05:29:46,680
» Why?

7283
05:29:45,200 --> 05:29:48,360
» Their their profession because because

7284
05:29:46,680 --> 05:29:49,760
Expediter wouldn't qualify.

7285
05:29:48,360 --> 05:29:51,080
» So, we should narrow it down from the

7286
05:29:49,760 --> 05:29:52,960
beginning of what expertise

7287
05:29:51,080 --> 05:29:54,760
» No, under our current statute, it does

7288
05:29:52,960 --> 05:29:56,680
it it's okay. Just has to be someone

7289
05:29:54,760 --> 05:29:57,280
who's expert in the field, whatever that

7290
05:29:56,680 --> 05:29:58,720
means.

7291
05:29:57,280 --> 05:29:58,840
» And we're good with it, then we're good

7292
05:29:58,720 --> 05:30:00,640
with

7293
05:29:58,840 --> 05:30:02,640
» My take, I keep I keep Marissa and I

7294
05:30:00,640 --> 05:30:03,240
keep Lisa Niles and let's

7295
05:30:02,640 --> 05:30:03,680
put out where

7296
05:30:03,240 --> 05:30:05,240
» Okay.

7297
05:30:03,680 --> 05:30:06,040
» Where we get the other three people

7298
05:30:05,240 --> 05:30:07,520
from.

7299
05:30:06,040 --> 05:30:09,200
» Mary Ann?

7300
05:30:07,520 --> 05:30:11,720
I was just going to say I I mean, I have

7301
05:30:09,200 --> 05:30:13,200
no um

7302
05:30:11,720 --> 05:30:16,400
issue with the people who are willing to

7303
05:30:13,200 --> 05:30:19,680
serve on that, but I think for public

7304
05:30:16,400 --> 05:30:21,960
clarity and disclosure that getting a

7305
05:30:19,680 --> 05:30:24,760
list of their qualifications

7306
05:30:21,960 --> 05:30:27,000
would put it the mind at ease that the

7307
05:30:24,760 --> 05:30:30,240
people that

7308
05:30:27,000 --> 05:30:30,840
may get appointed again do have

7309
05:30:30,240 --> 05:30:32,800
um

7310
05:30:30,840 --> 05:30:35,920
the qualifications and the knowledge in

7311
05:30:32,800 --> 05:30:37,720
order uh to be able to do that. So, I

7312
05:30:35,920 --> 05:30:39,560
would not that they won't get

7313
05:30:37,720 --> 05:30:41,800
reappointed because I think we are going

7314
05:30:39,560 --> 05:30:43,440
to have a really small pool. Um and

7315
05:30:41,800 --> 05:30:45,920
anybody who's willing to serve, but just

7316
05:30:43,440 --> 05:30:47,520
for public disclosure that we we know

7317
05:30:45,920 --> 05:30:49,320
what their credentials are and they're

7318
05:30:47,520 --> 05:30:51,720
documented um

7319
05:30:49,320 --> 05:30:53,400
would be my inclination.

7320
05:30:51,720 --> 05:30:56,240
» Yeah, I concur with that. I I I think

7321
05:30:53,400 --> 05:30:57,880
that makes sense. I I would expect that

7322
05:30:56,240 --> 05:30:59,400
I'm

7323
05:30:57,880 --> 05:31:01,080
Marissa and

7324
05:30:59,400 --> 05:31:01,800
um

7325
05:31:01,080 --> 05:31:02,400
Who was the other one there?

7326
05:31:01,800 --> 05:31:05,240
» Lisa Niles.

7327
05:31:02,400 --> 05:31:07,560
» Lisa are clearly qualified and in all

7328
05:31:05,240 --> 05:31:09,560
probability, if they applied and we

7329
05:31:07,560 --> 05:31:11,000
looked it up, would be reappointed, but

7330
05:31:09,560 --> 05:31:12,400
you never know. You never know who else

7331
05:31:11,000 --> 05:31:14,360
would apply that that might be a

7332
05:31:12,400 --> 05:31:16,080
superior candidate. Until we until we

7333
05:31:14,360 --> 05:31:17,560
see, we won't know.

7334
05:31:16,080 --> 05:31:19,080
» And I don't want to discount Lynn's

7335
05:31:17,560 --> 05:31:21,880
qualifications cuz I don't know Lynn's

7336
05:31:19,080 --> 05:31:23,640
qualifications. I know he has a very

7337
05:31:21,880 --> 05:31:24,200
robust

7338
05:31:23,640 --> 05:31:26,120
um

7339
05:31:24,200 --> 05:31:27,920
amount of experience. I just don't know

7340
05:31:26,120 --> 05:31:30,480
the details of that experience. So, he

7341
05:31:27,920 --> 05:31:31,280
may actually have qualifying things

7342
05:31:30,480 --> 05:31:32,560
» So, it's it's

7343
05:31:31,280 --> 05:31:34,000
» To bring to the conversation.

7344
05:31:32,560 --> 05:31:35,560
» It sounds like from a straw vote

7345
05:31:34,000 --> 05:31:37,520
standpoint, we're all in agreement that

7346
05:31:35,560 --> 05:31:40,360
we should open this up for uh

7347
05:31:37,520 --> 05:31:41,720
recruitment. Um I I'm just throwing this

7348
05:31:40,360 --> 05:31:46,040
out. I'm not really sure where I'd come

7349
05:31:41,720 --> 05:31:47,520
up with The county has a board of five.

7350
05:31:46,040 --> 05:31:51,400
What What would people think about

7351
05:31:47,520 --> 05:31:51,400
asking if we could just use their board?

7352
05:31:52,440 --> 05:31:56,920
» I would [snorts] rather try and recruit

7353
05:31:54,000 --> 05:31:59,800
for our own so that we

7354
05:31:56,920 --> 05:32:01,560
We need that local knowledge and I don't

7355
05:31:59,800 --> 05:32:06,200
know that the county's

7356
05:32:01,560 --> 05:32:07,320
necessarily has people who

7357
05:32:06,200 --> 05:32:08,920
meet that qualification.

7358
05:32:07,320 --> 05:32:11,240
» Yeah, so let me I wrote this down as a

7359
05:32:08,920 --> 05:32:12,640
note and and I'm not saying I disagree

7360
05:32:11,240 --> 05:32:14,440
cuz I don't know where I come out, but

7361
05:32:12,640 --> 05:32:15,800
this point about local knowledge, Daron

7362
05:32:14,440 --> 05:32:17,800
made the point they need to be familiar

7363
05:32:15,800 --> 05:32:19,920
with the MMC and the Coastal Act. We're

7364
05:32:17,800 --> 05:32:23,280
talking about building here. Uh why

7365
05:32:19,920 --> 05:32:25,560
would somebody who's an architect or a

7366
05:32:23,280 --> 05:32:27,280
um an engineer, especially, need to know

7367
05:32:25,560 --> 05:32:29,880
anything about Malibu to be able to

7368
05:32:27,280 --> 05:32:31,440
apply the building code?

7369
05:32:29,880 --> 05:32:33,520
» It's funny this came up earlier on a

7370
05:32:31,440 --> 05:32:35,840
call. Um it could go either way, but I

7371
05:32:33,520 --> 05:32:38,320
do think that with the local coastal

7372
05:32:35,840 --> 05:32:41,680
plan and the coastal zone and the

7373
05:32:38,320 --> 05:32:43,800
beaches, there are unique

7374
05:32:41,680 --> 05:32:45,280
» Aren't they planning issues?

7375
05:32:43,800 --> 05:32:46,800
» Yeah.

7376
05:32:45,280 --> 05:32:48,160
» I mean once once you've gotten your plan

7377
05:32:46,800 --> 05:32:49,960
approved

7378
05:32:48,160 --> 05:32:52,520
I mean Maryanne, I I'm It's a genuine

7379
05:32:49,960 --> 05:32:54,680
question. I'm not debating the point.

7380
05:32:52,520 --> 05:32:57,240
» I mean, I just I really think that

7381
05:32:54,680 --> 05:33:00,160
having people that are familiar with

7382
05:32:57,240 --> 05:33:02,800
Malibu would bring

7383
05:33:00,160 --> 05:33:04,720
um more reassurance to anybody who's

7384
05:33:02,800 --> 05:33:06,320
before the board that they're not just

7385
05:33:04,720 --> 05:33:07,400
getting strangers from out of town.

7386
05:33:06,320 --> 05:33:09,640
» That they actually are part of our

7387
05:33:07,400 --> 05:33:11,480
community or close to.

7388
05:33:09,640 --> 05:33:12,800
» And I I could see where where where

7389
05:33:11,480 --> 05:33:15,600
somebody would actually prefer a

7390
05:33:12,800 --> 05:33:16,840
stranger who's not part of the Malibu

7391
05:33:15,600 --> 05:33:18,240
system, so to speak, that they're

7392
05:33:16,840 --> 05:33:20,280
fighting against and trying to get a

7393
05:33:18,240 --> 05:33:21,880
different decision.

7394
05:33:20,280 --> 05:33:24,440
» We could open it up to outside of

7395
05:33:21,880 --> 05:33:26,640
Malibu, just see what you get. Maybe you

7396
05:33:24,440 --> 05:33:27,560
you get applicants.

7397
05:33:26,640 --> 05:33:28,040
» All right, let's move on to the next

7398
05:33:27,560 --> 05:33:28,560
point.

7399
05:33:28,040 --> 05:33:30,840
» What

7400
05:33:28,560 --> 05:33:32,520
» Qualifications.

7401
05:33:30,840 --> 05:33:33,960
I'll go first. I I like the county

7402
05:33:32,520 --> 05:33:37,360
system.

7403
05:33:33,960 --> 05:33:39,200
I think it makes sense to have specific

7404
05:33:37,360 --> 05:33:41,120
expertise that you're you're looking

7405
05:33:39,200 --> 05:33:42,440
for. It's not what we have right now.

7406
05:33:41,120 --> 05:33:43,800
What we have right now is as long as

7407
05:33:42,440 --> 05:33:45,640
you're involved in the building industry

7408
05:33:43,800 --> 05:33:47,720
in some way or another,

7409
05:33:45,640 --> 05:33:48,880
you're qualified. I like the fact that I

7410
05:33:47,720 --> 05:33:50,520
mean, being an attorney, I guess I'm

7411
05:33:48,880 --> 05:33:52,040
partial to attorneys, but I think having

7412
05:33:50,520 --> 05:33:56,080
one lawyer who's familiar with the

7413
05:33:52,040 --> 05:33:58,040
building industry is going to bring

7414
05:33:56,080 --> 05:34:00,000
it brings something to the to it that we

7415
05:33:58,040 --> 05:34:02,360
don't have right now and that it ought

7416
05:34:00,000 --> 05:34:04,560
to be on there. I like the the concept

7417
05:34:02,360 --> 05:34:06,120
of two engineers. I like an architect

7418
05:34:04,560 --> 05:34:07,440
and general contractor. And actually, if

7419
05:34:06,120 --> 05:34:08,840
we were to go with that, it would at

7420
05:34:07,440 --> 05:34:10,760
least

7421
05:34:08,840 --> 05:34:12,480
it Marissa and Lisa could still be

7422
05:34:10,760 --> 05:34:15,000
qualified even with those qualifi- even

7423
05:34:12,480 --> 05:34:17,360
with those restrictions.

7424
05:34:15,000 --> 05:34:20,240
» Could we see the list that the county

7425
05:34:17,360 --> 05:34:20,240
does? Thank you.

7426
05:34:22,400 --> 05:34:27,560
» This is a list a list for comparable

7427
05:34:24,760 --> 05:34:28,760
jurisdiction structures.

7428
05:34:27,560 --> 05:34:30,480
» And when it says attorney, it means an

7429
05:34:28,760 --> 05:34:31,240
attorney with building

7430
05:34:30,480 --> 05:34:34,880
» Experience.

7431
05:34:31,240 --> 05:34:34,880
» Litigation experience. Some sort. Yeah.

7432
05:34:36,280 --> 05:34:40,760
» One architect, one general contractor,

7433
05:34:38,760 --> 05:34:43,880
one attorney with construction

7434
05:34:40,760 --> 05:34:45,560
experience, two structural engineers, 10

7435
05:34:43,880 --> 05:34:47,120
years of experience.

7436
05:34:45,560 --> 05:34:47,780
» I like that.

7437
05:34:47,120 --> 05:34:48,960
Do you want them licensed?

7438
05:34:47,780 --> 05:34:50,200
[clears throat]

7439
05:34:48,960 --> 05:34:51,160
» Well,

7440
05:34:50,200 --> 05:34:53,600
» I like the difference between the

7441
05:34:51,160 --> 05:34:55,240
general contractor and the competent

7442
05:34:53,600 --> 05:34:57,040
builder.

7443
05:34:55,240 --> 05:34:59,200
» Yeah, here's the issue I have [laughter]

7444
05:34:57,040 --> 05:35:01,800
with that idea of having these

7445
05:34:59,200 --> 05:35:02,880
specificity the specificity.

7446
05:35:01,800 --> 05:35:03,920
You're going to have to deal with the

7447
05:35:02,880 --> 05:35:06,120
people that are willing to take the

7448
05:35:03,920 --> 05:35:07,880
position. And it'd be great if we had

7449
05:35:06,120 --> 05:35:10,400
four architects that wanted it and then

7450
05:35:07,880 --> 05:35:11,840
you got to pick one. And you got uh

7451
05:35:10,400 --> 05:35:14,280
six building

7452
05:35:11,840 --> 05:35:15,440
uh engineers structural engineers.

7453
05:35:14,280 --> 05:35:18,556
We're going to have to see who really

7454
05:35:15,440 --> 05:35:20,040
applies. We can always sort it out based

7455
05:35:18,556 --> 05:35:23,120
[clears throat] upon what the applicant

7456
05:35:20,040 --> 05:35:24,760
pool is. But honestly, I think the first

7457
05:35:23,120 --> 05:35:26,720
thing we got to be cognizant of we got

7458
05:35:24,760 --> 05:35:28,920
to be able to staff it with five people

7459
05:35:26,720 --> 05:35:31,760
that we trust to make the decision.

7460
05:35:28,920 --> 05:35:33,920
And then, if we got a plethora of of

7461
05:35:31,760 --> 05:35:36,800
applicants, then we can pick and choose.

7462
05:35:33,920 --> 05:35:38,760
» We could We could adopt a list of

7463
05:35:36,800 --> 05:35:40,840
recommended position you know,

7464
05:35:38,760 --> 05:35:43,040
recommended expertise subject to the

7465
05:35:40,840 --> 05:35:44,320
fact that if you can't meet them, you

7466
05:35:43,040 --> 05:35:46,720
can do something else.

7467
05:35:44,320 --> 05:35:49,680
» Yeah. I think that's already on the this

7468
05:35:46,720 --> 05:35:51,360
uh number two B, adopt a city council

7469
05:35:49,680 --> 05:35:52,760
policy defining the experience and

7470
05:35:51,360 --> 05:35:54,960
training that would qualify an

7471
05:35:52,760 --> 05:35:56,040
individual on past board matters.

7472
05:35:54,960 --> 05:35:58,520
Um

7473
05:35:56,040 --> 05:36:00,080
um pertaining to building construction.

7474
05:35:58,520 --> 05:36:02,640
And we could

7475
05:36:00,080 --> 05:36:04,480
seek to fill the uh panel with those

7476
05:36:02,640 --> 05:36:07,000
people, but you're going to have to take

7477
05:36:04,480 --> 05:36:08,960
what you got if uh we don't get very

7478
05:36:07,000 --> 05:36:09,400
many applicants.

7479
05:36:08,960 --> 05:36:10,360
» Yeah.

7480
05:36:09,400 --> 05:36:11,760
» I hate to say we

7481
05:36:10,360 --> 05:36:13,200
» For sure. That's why I was thinking

7482
05:36:11,760 --> 05:36:14,360
asking the county if we could use theirs

7483
05:36:13,200 --> 05:36:15,280
would be perfect cuz they've got the

7484
05:36:14,360 --> 05:36:16,880
five already.

7485
05:36:15,280 --> 05:36:17,640
» They're also paid. They get paid, too.

7486
05:36:16,880 --> 05:36:18,120
» They're compensated.

7487
05:36:17,640 --> 05:36:18,880
» That's true.

7488
05:36:18,120 --> 05:36:19,440
» Yeah.

7489
05:36:18,880 --> 05:36:21,840
» We could pay them.

7490
05:36:19,440 --> 05:36:24,440
» I think we just see what we get, try not

7491
05:36:21,840 --> 05:36:24,920
be too restrictive, open it up, and then

7492
05:36:24,440 --> 05:36:26,400
» Yeah.

7493
05:36:24,920 --> 05:36:27,840
» Is any any body

7494
05:36:26,400 --> 05:36:28,520
» We already have three that want to do

7495
05:36:27,840 --> 05:36:31,840
it, so.

7496
05:36:28,520 --> 05:36:33,280
» So So explain how you would couch that.

7497
05:36:31,840 --> 05:36:35,840
» Um

7498
05:36:33,280 --> 05:36:39,040
I would couch that as everybody who

7499
05:36:35,840 --> 05:36:42,360
wants to do it can put their resumes in,

7500
05:36:39,040 --> 05:36:45,080
their applications in. And then um I do

7501
05:36:42,360 --> 05:36:47,120
think it's a it's good to have for us

7502
05:36:45,080 --> 05:36:48,640
a um algorithm of one practicing

7503
05:36:47,120 --> 05:36:50,680
architect, one licensed general

7504
05:36:48,640 --> 05:36:52,560
contractor, one attorney, two structural

7505
05:36:50,680 --> 05:36:54,600
under near engineers.

7506
05:36:52,560 --> 05:36:56,000
We see who comes back.

7507
05:36:54,600 --> 05:36:58,200
» So something like the city council

7508
05:36:56,000 --> 05:36:59,400
should strive to fill the seats with

7509
05:36:58,200 --> 05:37:00,738
these qualifications.

7510
05:36:59,400 --> 05:37:01,040
» Yeah.

7511
05:37:00,738 --> 05:37:01,560
» [snorts]

7512
05:37:01,040 --> 05:37:02,600
» Yeah.

7513
05:37:01,560 --> 05:37:04,200
» The most you can ask.

7514
05:37:02,600 --> 05:37:05,800
» Anybody disagree Anybody I mean, does

7515
05:37:04,200 --> 05:37:07,760
anybody want to just keep it as the as

7516
05:37:05,800 --> 05:37:09,120
the current parameter, which is just

7517
05:37:07,760 --> 05:37:09,760
five people who are qualified in the

7518
05:37:09,120 --> 05:37:10,400
industry?

7519
05:37:09,760 --> 05:37:11,680
» Well, that's the same

7520
05:37:10,400 --> 05:37:13,160
» If you If we're going to fill this, you

7521
05:37:11,680 --> 05:37:13,560
get it done in our lifetime.

7522
05:37:13,160 --> 05:37:16,200
» Yeah.

7523
05:37:13,560 --> 05:37:17,920
» I mean, I think there's a list There's a

7524
05:37:16,200 --> 05:37:19,520
list that says, "Here's what you can be.

7525
05:37:17,920 --> 05:37:20,520
You can be a contractor, you can be an

7526
05:37:19,520 --> 05:37:21,920
architect."

7527
05:37:20,520 --> 05:37:23,080
These are the qualifications we're

7528
05:37:21,920 --> 05:37:26,760
looking If you've got those

7529
05:37:23,080 --> 05:37:28,400
qualifications, apply. Okay? And we'll

7530
05:37:26,760 --> 05:37:29,800
see what we get on that.

7531
05:37:28,400 --> 05:37:31,640
I don't think we go out there and ask

7532
05:37:29,800 --> 05:37:33,440
for a lawyer. We may get a lawyer, we

7533
05:37:31,640 --> 05:37:34,040
may not get a lawyer.

7534
05:37:33,440 --> 05:37:37,000
» You got it.

7535
05:37:34,040 --> 05:37:38,880
» That's it. I mean, I think whatever the

7536
05:37:37,000 --> 05:37:41,080
current list of requirements are that we

7537
05:37:38,880 --> 05:37:43,320
think we need, if you if you fill one of

7538
05:37:41,080 --> 05:37:44,560
those, you you can apply for the job.

7539
05:37:43,320 --> 05:37:46,520
» Trevor, you want to say something?

7540
05:37:44,560 --> 05:37:48,160
» Yeah, are you proposing to bring back a

7541
05:37:46,520 --> 05:37:50,000
formal policy or are we talking about

7542
05:37:48,160 --> 05:37:51,480
maybe add this to the application as

7543
05:37:50,000 --> 05:37:52,680
preferred criteria?

7544
05:37:51,480 --> 05:37:54,800
» I think we're talking about creating a

7545
05:37:52,680 --> 05:37:55,920
policy which we may or may not want to

7546
05:37:54,800 --> 05:37:57,360
later

7547
05:37:55,920 --> 05:37:58,440
um

7548
05:37:57,360 --> 05:38:00,320
codify.

7549
05:37:58,440 --> 05:38:01,800
» Okay. And so, do you is this part of the

7550
05:38:00,320 --> 05:38:03,560
direction to give staff to bring back a

7551
05:38:01,800 --> 05:38:05,520
policy at this point or is this

7552
05:38:03,560 --> 05:38:07,280
» Well, we're we need to finish the the

7553
05:38:05,520 --> 05:38:09,280
points that we're discussing first.

7554
05:38:07,280 --> 05:38:11,480
» I I think Well, one thing is if you look

7555
05:38:09,280 --> 05:38:13,080
at the direction following your

7556
05:38:11,480 --> 05:38:14,280
your staff request city council

7557
05:38:13,080 --> 05:38:16,600
direction,

7558
05:38:14,280 --> 05:38:17,600
and I think if we just tell them to take

7559
05:38:16,600 --> 05:38:20,240
B,

7560
05:38:17,600 --> 05:38:22,160
2B, we're there. And if we get too

7561
05:38:20,240 --> 05:38:24,720
specific, remember, we've got this

7562
05:38:22,160 --> 05:38:26,360
this issue of AB 1130.

7563
05:38:24,720 --> 05:38:28,360
So,

7564
05:38:26,360 --> 05:38:29,640
be careful about this degree of

7565
05:38:28,360 --> 05:38:32,880
standards.

7566
05:38:29,640 --> 05:38:35,360
» The other item that I want to put in

7567
05:38:32,880 --> 05:38:38,680
highlight for you is that you're not

7568
05:38:35,360 --> 05:38:40,880
limited to that licensees, right?

7569
05:38:38,680 --> 05:38:42,760
There's geotechnical engineers that you

7570
05:38:40,880 --> 05:38:44,800
can hire. You can also engineers to

7571
05:38:42,760 --> 05:38:47,040
this. So, it's

7572
05:38:44,800 --> 05:38:49,520
you can make it broad,

7573
05:38:47,040 --> 05:38:50,840
um and then as you receive the

7574
05:38:49,520 --> 05:38:53,680
application, then you make the

7575
05:38:50,840 --> 05:38:55,760
selections of who you want on the board.

7576
05:38:53,680 --> 05:38:57,200
» Yeah, I'd post on Geo.

7577
05:38:55,760 --> 05:38:58,840
» Mhm.

7578
05:38:57,200 --> 05:39:01,200
» All right, [snorts] so what about local

7579
05:38:58,840 --> 05:39:02,640
versus non-local? It seems to me that we

7580
05:39:01,200 --> 05:39:03,720
should not constrain this to people who

7581
05:39:02,640 --> 05:39:06,280
live in Malibu.

7582
05:39:03,720 --> 05:39:08,280
» Yeah, I think one of the one of the

7583
05:39:06,280 --> 05:39:09,400
selling points for somebody to volunteer

7584
05:39:08,280 --> 05:39:12,000
for this

7585
05:39:09,400 --> 05:39:13,480
is if I'm a professional in

7586
05:39:12,000 --> 05:39:16,400
Beverly Hills,

7587
05:39:13,480 --> 05:39:17,200
I can add to my resume that I'm on the

7588
05:39:16,400 --> 05:39:18,720
uh

7589
05:39:17,200 --> 05:39:19,200
Board of Appeals in Malibu.

7590
05:39:18,720 --> 05:39:21,800
» Yeah.

7591
05:39:19,200 --> 05:39:23,120
» That's the whole idea. You and you may

7592
05:39:21,800 --> 05:39:25,160
never get called for it, but it looks

7593
05:39:23,120 --> 05:39:27,160
like a good line on your resume.

7594
05:39:25,160 --> 05:39:29,560
And you've got qualifications. You're

7595
05:39:27,160 --> 05:39:32,120
You're knowledgeable. So, yeah, I think

7596
05:39:29,560 --> 05:39:34,720
one of the ideas about being wide open

7597
05:39:32,120 --> 05:39:36,720
for geography is to get people from

7598
05:39:34,720 --> 05:39:38,560
other areas, especially if they've got

7599
05:39:36,720 --> 05:39:39,920
an expertise in other cities, and they

7600
05:39:38,560 --> 05:39:41,680
can talk about, "Well, this is being

7601
05:39:39,920 --> 05:39:43,000
done in that city and this city."

7602
05:39:41,680 --> 05:39:44,000
» That makes sense. You know, and if if we

7603
05:39:43,000 --> 05:39:45,280
should get to the point where we're

7604
05:39:44,000 --> 05:39:47,160
having difficulties filling the

7605
05:39:45,280 --> 05:39:48,760
positions, what does the county pay per

7606
05:39:47,160 --> 05:39:50,720
meeting?

7607
05:39:48,760 --> 05:39:51,800
» I don't have that information, but I I

7608
05:39:50,720 --> 05:39:53,960
can get it for you.

7609
05:39:51,800 --> 05:39:55,840
» Okay.

7610
05:39:53,960 --> 05:39:58,560
Who else has something to say on the

7611
05:39:55,840 --> 05:40:02,200
geographical requirement?

7612
05:39:58,560 --> 05:40:02,200
» I agree with Doug. I mean, we're

7613
05:40:02,960 --> 05:40:06,560
too small too small a pool of people

7614
05:40:05,200 --> 05:40:07,920
here in Malibu.

7615
05:40:06,560 --> 05:40:09,200
If so, you know, I think if we can get

7616
05:40:07,920 --> 05:40:11,480
so many good from the outside, we got to

7617
05:40:09,200 --> 05:40:13,640
take advantage of that.

7618
05:40:11,480 --> 05:40:15,160
» Miriam?

7619
05:40:13,640 --> 05:40:16,880
» Agreed.

7620
05:40:15,160 --> 05:40:19,800
» All right. So, sounds like we have a

7621
05:40:16,880 --> 05:40:22,520
motion to give direction to the staff to

7622
05:40:19,800 --> 05:40:25,560
come back with a proposal to open

7623
05:40:22,520 --> 05:40:28,520
recruitment for all five positions, to

7624
05:40:25,560 --> 05:40:30,600
establish a policy which sets forth

7625
05:40:28,520 --> 05:40:33,320
qualifications

7626
05:40:30,600 --> 05:40:36,560
in those five area in those four areas,

7627
05:40:33,320 --> 05:40:40,240
but not require mandating that we limit

7628
05:40:36,560 --> 05:40:42,640
who is appointed to those five spots,

7629
05:40:40,240 --> 05:40:44,880
and not limiting it to being Malibu

7630
05:40:42,640 --> 05:40:45,520
residents. Does that sound all right?

7631
05:40:44,880 --> 05:40:47,280
» Any others?

7632
05:40:45,520 --> 05:40:49,400
» And then we also would be requesting

7633
05:40:47,280 --> 05:40:49,840
them to do the recruitment outreach.

7634
05:40:49,400 --> 05:40:50,840
» Yes.

7635
05:40:49,840 --> 05:40:51,800
» Yeah.

7636
05:40:50,840 --> 05:40:53,160
» Will they have to come back, I guess,

7637
05:40:51,800 --> 05:40:54,520
with a formal

7638
05:40:53,160 --> 05:40:56,080
Do we need to come back with a formal

7639
05:40:54,520 --> 05:40:57,560
policy of some sort before we do the

7640
05:40:56,080 --> 05:40:59,520
recruitment, or can it all be done

7641
05:40:57,560 --> 05:41:01,280
without coming back to us?

7642
05:40:59,520 --> 05:41:03,360
» I definitely recommend discussing your

7643
05:41:01,280 --> 05:41:06,920
policy, establishing the qualifications

7644
05:41:03,360 --> 05:41:06,920
before opening a recruitment.

7645
05:41:07,400 --> 05:41:11,840
» All right. So, I'll I'll move that we

7646
05:41:08,840 --> 05:41:12,400
give the staff that direction.

7647
05:41:11,840 --> 05:41:14,480
There a second?

7648
05:41:12,400 --> 05:41:16,160
» I'll second.

7649
05:41:14,480 --> 05:41:17,040
» Anyone to

7650
05:41:16,160 --> 05:41:17,320
» All in favor?

7651
05:41:17,040 --> 05:41:19,600
» Aye.

7652
05:41:17,320 --> 05:41:21,400
» Aye. Okay, you have your direction.

7653
05:41:19,600 --> 05:41:24,040
Thank you for that.

7654
05:41:21,400 --> 05:41:26,240
Um it is after 10:30, which means we

7655
05:41:24,040 --> 05:41:29,000
have to vote on proceeding. We still

7656
05:41:26,240 --> 05:41:30,880
have three items. I understand that 7A

7657
05:41:29,000 --> 05:41:32,720
is time sensitive.

7658
05:41:30,880 --> 05:41:34,120
So, um

7659
05:41:32,720 --> 05:41:35,240
I'm going to We're going to take them

7660
05:41:34,120 --> 05:41:38,000
one at We're going to do them one at a

7661
05:41:35,240 --> 05:41:41,160
time. I'm going to suggest that we're

7662
05:41:38,000 --> 05:41:42,600
not likely to get to 7B and 7C. And

7663
05:41:41,160 --> 05:41:45,160
actually, what I'd like to do is ask

7664
05:41:42,600 --> 05:41:48,080
that we take 8A right now first. If we

7665
05:41:45,160 --> 05:41:50,760
can get a vote of four votes to do that,

7666
05:41:48,080 --> 05:41:53,040
and then we can talk about 7A.

7667
05:41:50,760 --> 05:41:55,000
So, can Can we do 8A?

7668
05:41:53,040 --> 05:41:58,120
» I mean, I would like to see some of the

7669
05:41:55,000 --> 05:42:01,160
residents that I know go home tonight.

7670
05:41:58,120 --> 05:42:03,880
So, if we could move 7

7671
05:42:01,160 --> 05:42:06,120
B, no, 7C

7672
05:42:03,880 --> 05:42:08,320
up, that would be great and get it off

7673
05:42:06,120 --> 05:42:08,920
the agenda.

7674
05:42:08,320 --> 05:42:10,520
» Well,

7675
05:42:08,920 --> 05:42:12,760
» Okay, it's getting late.

7676
05:42:10,520 --> 05:42:13,880
7A is I mean, I think we got to do it.

7677
05:42:12,760 --> 05:42:15,600
» We have to do 7A.

7678
05:42:13,880 --> 05:42:18,280
» It Councillor, your microphone.

7679
05:42:15,600 --> 05:42:19,680
» It's getting late. I think 7A is is

7680
05:42:18,280 --> 05:42:22,560
important.

7681
05:42:19,680 --> 05:42:23,480
But that's phase two of the

7682
05:42:22,560 --> 05:42:25,120
uh waste water treatment

7683
05:42:23,480 --> 05:42:26,400
» We have to do 7A. I'm I'm going to say

7684
05:42:25,120 --> 05:42:28,120
it right now. I'm going to not vote in

7685
05:42:26,400 --> 05:42:30,640
favor of moving beyond 7A.

7686
05:42:28,120 --> 05:42:32,320
» Yeah, I I I'm I'm with you on that one.

7687
05:42:30,640 --> 05:42:33,600
» Which means that there will not be four

7688
05:42:32,320 --> 05:42:35,920
votes.

7689
05:42:33,600 --> 05:42:37,280
So, we'll we'll vote on it when we get

7690
05:42:35,920 --> 05:42:38,680
to it, but people who are here should

7691
05:42:37,280 --> 05:42:40,032
understand that that's what where we're

7692
05:42:38,680 --> 05:42:40,160
going to be.

7693
05:42:40,032 --> 05:42:41,000
» [snorts]

7694
05:42:40,160 --> 05:42:42,760
» When you say there's not going to be

7695
05:42:41,000 --> 05:42:43,960
four votes, if you vote against

7696
05:42:42,760 --> 05:42:45,200
something, you still have a chance for

7697
05:42:43,960 --> 05:42:46,800
four votes.

7698
05:42:45,200 --> 05:42:47,280
» No, Steve and I are going to not vote to

7699
05:42:46,800 --> 05:42:50,080
proceed.

7700
05:42:47,280 --> 05:42:50,080
» Okay, okay.

7701
05:42:50,280 --> 05:42:53,840
» Do you want to just continue those other

7702
05:42:52,400 --> 05:42:55,240
items to a future date to let everybody

7703
05:42:53,840 --> 05:42:56,400
else go if you want to make the decision

7704
05:42:55,240 --> 05:42:58,360
final?

7705
05:42:56,400 --> 05:42:59,760
» Can we do that out of order? Can we vote

7706
05:42:58,360 --> 05:43:01,800
to not do something out of order?

7707
05:42:59,760 --> 05:43:04,200
» You can vote right now to continue all

7708
05:43:01,800 --> 05:43:05,760
items except for 7A to the next meeting.

7709
05:43:04,200 --> 05:43:08,400
» Okay, well, eight How long is 8A going

7710
05:43:05,760 --> 05:43:08,400
to take?

7711
05:43:08,720 --> 05:43:11,320
» Depends how many people put their hands

7712
05:43:10,400 --> 05:43:12,800
up to

7713
05:43:11,320 --> 05:43:14,080
» Yeah, let's stick with 7A. Let's stick

7714
05:43:12,800 --> 05:43:14,280
with that

7715
05:43:14,080 --> 05:43:15,680
one.

7716
05:43:14,280 --> 05:43:18,200
» Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So,

7717
05:43:15,680 --> 05:43:20,760
there's 7A, which is the wastewater

7718
05:43:18,200 --> 05:43:22,440
treatment. Then there's 7B, which is the

7719
05:43:20,760 --> 05:43:24,480
additional, which they've been here for.

7720
05:43:22,440 --> 05:43:26,200
And then there's the ferry, right? So,

7721
05:43:24,480 --> 05:43:28,240
what we're asking to do I don't see an

7722
05:43:26,200 --> 05:43:29,200
8A. Is there something I'm missing?

7723
05:43:28,240 --> 05:43:30,320
» 8A is the

7724
05:43:29,200 --> 05:43:34,600
appointment of an alternate

7725
05:43:30,320 --> 05:43:34,600
» And I. I mean you or you or you.

7726
05:43:34,680 --> 05:43:37,680
It's that.

7727
05:43:36,200 --> 05:43:39,720
Um that'll be really quick. So, what

7728
05:43:37,680 --> 05:43:42,120
we're asking the council to do is to

7729
05:43:39,720 --> 05:43:44,040
either continue the meeting

7730
05:43:42,120 --> 05:43:46,000
» Yes.

7731
05:43:44,040 --> 05:43:47,080
All right, let me let me try this cuz

7732
05:43:46,000 --> 05:43:48,320
Trevor's saying we can do it out of

7733
05:43:47,080 --> 05:43:51,280
order, which I didn't appreciate we

7734
05:43:48,320 --> 05:43:55,760
could do. I'm going to ask if we are

7735
05:43:51,280 --> 05:43:58,680
willing to go forward after 7A with 7B.

7736
05:43:55,760 --> 05:44:00,080
I'm going to vote no.

7737
05:43:58,680 --> 05:44:02,160
» I'm a no.

7738
05:44:00,080 --> 05:44:04,120
» So, that can't go forward if there are

7739
05:44:02,160 --> 05:44:06,160
not four votes in favor.

7740
05:44:04,120 --> 05:44:07,720
Are we going to go forward with 7C? I'm

7741
05:44:06,160 --> 05:44:09,120
going to vote no.

7742
05:44:07,720 --> 05:44:11,160
» I'm a no.

7743
05:44:09,120 --> 05:44:13,520
» I'm a yes.

7744
05:44:11,160 --> 05:44:14,200
But that doesn't mean anything cuz you

7745
05:44:13,520 --> 05:44:15,920
need four.

7746
05:44:14,200 --> 05:44:17,960
» That's right.

7747
05:44:15,920 --> 05:44:20,520
So, we're not going to do 7C. Are we

7748
05:44:17,960 --> 05:44:22,040
going to do 8A?

7749
05:44:20,520 --> 05:44:24,520
» I would like to get everything off the

7750
05:44:22,040 --> 05:44:26,040
agenda that we possibly can. So, I'm a

7751
05:44:24,520 --> 05:44:29,240
yes to get it done.

7752
05:44:26,040 --> 05:44:30,640
» I'm fine with 8A, Steve.

7753
05:44:29,240 --> 05:44:35,360
» 8A was the

7754
05:44:30,640 --> 05:44:35,360
» Appointment of an alternate for MR MRCA.

7755
05:44:35,400 --> 05:44:38,960
I think it's going to take a minute.

7756
05:44:37,600 --> 05:44:40,280
» It'll take a minute and a half.

7757
05:44:38,960 --> 05:44:40,840
» I think we can do that. I'll take it in

7758
05:44:40,280 --> 05:44:42,800
a minute and a half.

7759
05:44:40,840 --> 05:44:44,160
» Doug, Mary Ann?

7760
05:44:42,800 --> 05:44:45,720
» I'm good to go.

7761
05:44:44,160 --> 05:44:46,480
» We need four votes.

7762
05:44:45,720 --> 05:44:47,680
» Yeah.

7763
05:44:46,480 --> 05:44:49,320
» Yeah, I'm in.

7764
05:44:47,680 --> 05:44:50,400
» I'm in it. Are we supposed to be doing

7765
05:44:49,320 --> 05:44:50,920
it like this?

7766
05:44:50,400 --> 05:44:52,080
» What? What?

7767
05:44:50,920 --> 05:44:52,600
» Are we supposed to be doing it like

7768
05:44:52,080 --> 05:44:53,760
this?

7769
05:44:52,600 --> 05:44:55,160
» I think we're just taking a straw vote

7770
05:44:53,760 --> 05:44:56,760
right now to see if you want to continue

7771
05:44:55,160 --> 05:44:58,360
all the other items and let people go.

7772
05:44:56,760 --> 05:45:00,000
And so, you're

7773
05:44:58,360 --> 05:45:01,760
polling the council about which ones

7774
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:03,080
you're going to have four votes for to

7775
05:45:01,760 --> 05:45:04,600
continue.

7776
05:45:03,080 --> 05:45:06,720
Is it that's the situation and you can

7777
05:45:04,600 --> 05:45:08,440
just continue the other items right now

7778
05:45:06,720 --> 05:45:08,880
with a motion and then let everybody go

7779
05:45:08,440 --> 05:45:11,760
home.

7780
05:45:08,880 --> 05:45:15,400
» Good night. I'm sorry. I wish we all did

7781
05:45:11,760 --> 05:45:15,400
this at the beginning of the meeting.

7782
05:45:15,800 --> 05:45:18,320
» So

7783
05:45:17,000 --> 05:45:19,920
are we going to have four votes to go

7784
05:45:18,320 --> 05:45:20,640
forward with 8A or not? That's what I'm

7785
05:45:19,920 --> 05:45:21,440
trying to find out.

7786
05:45:20,640 --> 05:45:24,120
» I'm a yes.

7787
05:45:21,440 --> 05:45:25,840
» All right. Okay. All right. And

7788
05:45:24,120 --> 05:45:27,720
technically, do we have four votes to go

7789
05:45:25,840 --> 05:45:29,040
forward with 7A which we are told is

7790
05:45:27,720 --> 05:45:30,360
time sensitive?

7791
05:45:29,040 --> 05:45:31,480
» I am a vote yes.

7792
05:45:30,360 --> 05:45:32,760
» Yes. Keep it

7793
05:45:31,480 --> 05:45:33,720
» Keep trains on the tracks.

7794
05:45:32,760 --> 05:45:34,600
» Yeah.

7795
05:45:33,720 --> 05:45:37,040
» I'm in.

7796
05:45:34,600 --> 05:45:38,600
» So is that a motion to

7797
05:45:37,040 --> 05:45:39,800
call 7A and then

7798
05:45:38,600 --> 05:45:41,240
» All right, let's do it technically.

7799
05:45:39,800 --> 05:45:44,280
Motion to call 7A.

7800
05:45:41,240 --> 05:45:44,560
» And then also continue item 7B and 7C.

7801
05:45:44,280 --> 05:45:46,000
Do you want

7802
05:45:44,560 --> 05:45:47,560
» Well, they're they're different votes,

7803
05:45:46,000 --> 05:45:48,840
so that's why I wasn't putting them

7804
05:45:47,560 --> 05:45:50,680
together. I'll

7805
05:45:48,840 --> 05:45:51,000
second the motion to do 7A.

7806
05:45:50,680 --> 05:45:52,080
» Okay.

7807
05:45:51,000 --> 05:45:55,000
» Yeah, let's do 7A.

7808
05:45:52,080 --> 05:45:57,000
» Anyone opposed? All in favor? Aye. Okay,

7809
05:45:55,000 --> 05:45:59,120
so 7A we're going to continue.

7810
05:45:57,000 --> 05:46:00,320
I mean, we're going to continue onward.

7811
05:45:59,120 --> 05:46:02,280
» We're going to hear it now. We're going

7812
05:46:00,320 --> 05:46:05,320
to hear it now.

7813
05:46:02,280 --> 05:46:07,400
» All right. Um

7814
05:46:05,320 --> 05:46:09,000
Mayor, I did just want to clarify it's

7815
05:46:07,400 --> 05:46:11,000
up to the council's discretion. Did you

7816
05:46:09,000 --> 05:46:13,240
want to take a motion to continue item

7817
05:46:11,000 --> 05:46:15,120
7B and 7C to provide that notice to the

7818
05:46:13,240 --> 05:46:16,560
public or else they will wait here

7819
05:46:15,120 --> 05:46:18,000
waiting to see if this item is heard.

7820
05:46:16,560 --> 05:46:19,000
» We had done that.

7821
05:46:18,000 --> 05:46:20,360
» We need a motion.

7822
05:46:19,000 --> 05:46:22,160
» We understood the straw poll and the

7823
05:46:20,360 --> 05:46:23,960
discussion, but if you want to take that

7824
05:46:22,160 --> 05:46:24,080
act as a body now, it would be one of

7825
05:46:23,960 --> 05:46:25,800
the two.

7826
05:46:24,080 --> 05:46:27,680
» Here's my quandary.

7827
05:46:25,800 --> 05:46:29,760
What's the most How do you formulate

7828
05:46:27,680 --> 05:46:30,680
that motion when we're not up to the

7829
05:46:29,760 --> 05:46:32,440
item?

7830
05:46:30,680 --> 05:46:34,960
» It's similar to when we modified on

7831
05:46:32,440 --> 05:46:36,520
approval of the agenda or when you come

7832
05:46:34,960 --> 05:46:41,000
to the item, you can make a motion to

7833
05:46:36,520 --> 05:46:41,920
continue item 7B and 7C to the June 22nd

7834
05:46:41,000 --> 05:46:43,840
regular meeting.

7835
05:46:41,920 --> 05:46:45,160
» What if we got three votes to continue

7836
05:46:43,840 --> 05:46:47,160
and then we get to it and there's not

7837
05:46:45,160 --> 05:46:48,840
four votes to do it?

7838
05:46:47,160 --> 05:46:50,920
» Well, the motion to continue the items

7839
05:46:48,840 --> 05:46:52,600
to a future meeting could fail and then

7840
05:46:50,920 --> 05:46:54,000
the council just won't be able to

7841
05:46:52,600 --> 05:46:55,480
provide that confirmation to the public

7842
05:46:54,000 --> 05:46:57,040
and they'll need to wait and see if you

7843
05:46:55,480 --> 05:46:59,080
have your supermajority to continue

7844
05:46:57,040 --> 05:47:00,720
hearing it tonight.

7845
05:46:59,080 --> 05:47:02,320
» Is until you actually continue the item,

7846
05:47:00,720 --> 05:47:04,280
it can still be called.

7847
05:47:02,320 --> 05:47:09,240
» So, if we vote if we were to vote now on

7848
05:47:04,280 --> 05:47:11,040
to continue 7C 7B and 7C and that fails,

7849
05:47:09,240 --> 05:47:12,680
we still have to vote on whether to hear

7850
05:47:11,040 --> 05:47:14,920
it when we get to it.

7851
05:47:12,680 --> 05:47:18,840
» That's why I was like, "Okay, well,

7852
05:47:14,920 --> 05:47:20,120
sure. I'll move to continue 7B and 7C to

7853
05:47:18,840 --> 05:47:22,760
a future meeting."

7854
05:47:20,120 --> 05:47:22,760
» I'll second.

7855
05:47:23,960 --> 05:47:26,080
» All in favor?

7856
05:47:25,520 --> 05:47:26,840
» I.

7857
05:47:26,080 --> 05:47:29,480
» I.

7858
05:47:26,840 --> 05:47:31,280
» All opposed?

7859
05:47:29,480 --> 05:47:34,000
» I'm opposed.

7860
05:47:31,280 --> 05:47:37,560
» Maryanne, you're the tiebreaker.

7861
05:47:34,000 --> 05:47:37,560
» Why does this keep happening?

7862
05:47:38,600 --> 05:47:40,720
What

7863
05:47:39,440 --> 05:47:41,320
What did you vote?

7864
05:47:40,720 --> 05:47:41,920
» He voted

7865
05:47:41,320 --> 05:47:43,440
» I I want to

7866
05:47:41,920 --> 05:47:44,840
» He voted yes. So, then I'm going to vote

7867
05:47:43,440 --> 05:47:45,280
yes. Let's just

7868
05:47:44,840 --> 05:47:47,680
» Okay.

7869
05:47:45,280 --> 05:47:49,080
» To have a fight over who's going to

7870
05:47:47,680 --> 05:47:50,960
» Thank you. It wouldn't It wouldn't be a

7871
05:47:49,080 --> 05:47:51,720
fight. It would just prolong the agony.

7872
05:47:50,960 --> 05:47:53,000
Um

7873
05:47:51,720 --> 05:47:57,560
Thank you. So, all right. So, now we've

7874
05:47:53,000 --> 05:47:59,280
officially continued 7B and 7C.

7875
05:47:57,560 --> 05:48:01,520
Let's continue and I think we were going

7876
05:47:59,280 --> 05:48:03,120
to go forward with with 7A. So, let's do

7877
05:48:01,520 --> 05:48:05,920
7A.

7878
05:48:03,120 --> 05:48:07,200
» Do we need a Tell like about a date?

7879
05:48:05,920 --> 05:48:08,160
» We'll vote for that when we get to it.

7880
05:48:07,200 --> 05:48:09,480
» Okay.

7881
05:48:08,160 --> 05:48:11,800
» No one's here for it anyway.

7882
05:48:09,480 --> 05:48:14,640
» No, we continued it to the next meeting.

7883
05:48:11,800 --> 05:48:16,760
» We're going to reschedule 7B and 7C for

7884
05:48:14,640 --> 05:48:19,280
the June 22nd meeting. The council still

7885
05:48:16,760 --> 05:48:20,840
has to consider item 8A and will either

7886
05:48:19,280 --> 05:48:22,160
make that appointment or continue that

7887
05:48:20,840 --> 05:48:23,800
item to a future meeting date.

7888
05:48:22,160 --> 05:48:25,560
» You got it. Exactly.

7889
05:48:23,800 --> 05:48:28,400
» Thank you, Kelsey. And can it be early

7890
05:48:25,560 --> 05:48:29,720
on the agenda or

7891
05:48:28,400 --> 05:48:31,160
do I have to get a vote on that?

7892
05:48:29,720 --> 05:48:32,480
» We'll have to vote on that when we have

7893
05:48:31,160 --> 05:48:35,480
the agenda put forward.

7894
05:48:32,480 --> 05:48:35,480
» Okay.

7895
05:48:36,920 --> 05:48:40,640
» Can we have the staff All right. So, we

7896
05:48:38,520 --> 05:48:44,360
are on 7A.

7897
05:48:40,640 --> 05:48:45,840
Um let me give the official

7898
05:48:44,360 --> 05:48:48,000
Civic Center Wastewater Treatment

7899
05:48:45,840 --> 05:48:51,480
Facility Phase 2 update. This is a

7900
05:48:48,000 --> 05:48:53,160
receive and file, I believe. Right?

7901
05:48:51,480 --> 05:48:54,760
Um please raise your hand in Zoom if

7902
05:48:53,160 --> 05:48:56,720
you'd like to speak on this item and

7903
05:48:54,760 --> 05:48:58,600
you'll be called after the staff report.

7904
05:48:56,720 --> 05:49:01,920
And are there any

7905
05:48:58,600 --> 05:49:01,920
cards for people here?

7906
05:49:02,480 --> 05:49:09,160
We have the staff report, please.

7907
05:49:05,480 --> 05:49:11,760
» Mr. Mayor, um, city, uh, city council,

7908
05:49:09,160 --> 05:49:14,520
before I start my presentation, I would

7909
05:49:11,760 --> 05:49:16,960
like to announce that representative of

7910
05:49:14,520 --> 05:49:19,480
the regional water board are here and

7911
05:49:16,960 --> 05:49:21,360
they probably submitted a card to speak,

7912
05:49:19,480 --> 05:49:23,800
but, uh, they're here present in the

7913
05:49:21,360 --> 05:49:26,200
audience.

7914
05:49:23,800 --> 05:49:28,080
And, um, this is the update on the

7915
05:49:26,200 --> 05:49:30,240
memorandum of understanding between the

7916
05:49:28,080 --> 05:49:33,360
regional board and the city for the

7917
05:49:30,240 --> 05:49:35,960
phase two of Civic Center waste, uh,

7918
05:49:33,360 --> 05:49:38,320
wastewater treatment facility.

7919
05:49:35,960 --> 05:49:40,200
And the first slide is gives, uh, gives

7920
05:49:38,320 --> 05:49:43,800
you the points why this update are

7921
05:49:40,200 --> 05:49:46,200
important. Phase two is the next major

7922
05:49:43,800 --> 05:49:48,240
implementation step of the Civic Center

7923
05:49:46,200 --> 05:49:50,920
wastewater program.

7924
05:49:48,240 --> 05:49:53,800
Uh, design, uh, must be modified due to

7925
05:49:50,920 --> 05:49:56,160
cultural resources constraint and, uh,

7926
05:49:53,800 --> 05:50:00,080
MOU amendment, uh, updates the

7927
05:49:56,160 --> 05:50:03,160
implementation path and, uh, phase three

7928
05:50:00,080 --> 05:50:06,400
trigger is consistent with the prior

7929
05:50:03,160 --> 05:50:08,440
versions of the MOU.

7930
05:50:06,400 --> 05:50:14,480
A quick project background, uh,

7931
05:50:08,440 --> 05:50:15,480
September 2010, uh, state water board,

7932
05:50:14,480 --> 05:50:17,960
um,

7933
05:50:15,480 --> 05:50:21,000
announced the Malibu septic prohibition,

7934
05:50:17,960 --> 05:50:23,560
uh, which, um, created a map

7935
05:50:21,000 --> 05:50:25,880
and, uh, was phases, it was a phased

7936
05:50:23,560 --> 05:50:28,000
implementation program.

7937
05:50:25,880 --> 05:50:30,080
Uh, phase one was completed in September

7938
05:50:28,000 --> 05:50:32,160
of 2018.

7939
05:50:30,080 --> 05:50:34,240
Phase three, the city, uh,

7940
05:50:32,160 --> 05:50:36,720
proceeded, uh, advanced with design and

7941
05:50:34,240 --> 05:50:38,200
environmental review after phase one was

7942
05:50:36,720 --> 05:50:40,520
completed,

7943
05:50:38,200 --> 05:50:43,600
and, but the cultural resources issue

7944
05:50:40,520 --> 05:50:46,960
required revision to, um, to the prior

7945
05:50:43,600 --> 05:50:46,960
phase two approach.

7946
05:50:47,080 --> 05:50:52,480
Phase two accomplishments include the

7947
05:50:49,240 --> 05:50:55,200
delivery of phase one of the initial

7948
05:50:52,480 --> 05:50:57,840
waste water treatment facility and waste

7949
05:50:55,200 --> 05:51:01,360
water treatment and collection system.

7950
05:50:57,840 --> 05:51:04,720
The phase one was completed before the

7951
05:51:01,360 --> 05:51:07,000
applicable regulatory deadline.

7952
05:51:04,720 --> 05:51:10,120
System provides treatment capacity,

7953
05:51:07,000 --> 05:51:13,120
injection wells, and recycled water

7954
05:51:10,120 --> 05:51:16,640
reuse capacity.

7955
05:51:13,120 --> 05:51:19,400
The changes that happened with phase two

7956
05:51:16,640 --> 05:51:22,280
were due to the cultural resources

7957
05:51:19,400 --> 05:51:25,640
discovered along the proposed at that

7958
05:51:22,280 --> 05:51:27,760
time Serra Retreat alignment of the

7959
05:51:25,640 --> 05:51:29,760
pipeline.

7960
05:51:27,760 --> 05:51:32,000
It is not

7961
05:51:29,760 --> 05:51:34,440
because of that it could not proceed as

7962
05:51:32,000 --> 05:51:37,920
previously designed.

7963
05:51:34,440 --> 05:51:40,480
The proposed approach that you see

7964
05:51:37,920 --> 05:51:42,600
before you today is separate Serra

7965
05:51:40,480 --> 05:51:45,080
Retreats from immediate phase two

7966
05:51:42,600 --> 05:51:47,480
construction path.

7967
05:51:45,080 --> 05:51:49,720
Serra Retreat alternative would be

7968
05:51:47,480 --> 05:51:52,920
evaluated through separate feasibility

7969
05:51:49,720 --> 05:51:52,920
study process.

7970
05:51:53,160 --> 05:51:59,840
And this is all included in amendment

7971
05:51:56,240 --> 05:52:02,520
number four to the MOU.

7972
05:51:59,840 --> 05:52:04,040
Certain Malibu Road properties moved

7973
05:52:02,520 --> 05:52:06,720
from phase

7974
05:52:04,040 --> 05:52:10,200
three into phase two now because Serra

7975
05:52:06,720 --> 05:52:12,000
Retreat was eliminated from phase two.

7976
05:52:10,200 --> 05:52:14,520
The um

7977
05:52:12,000 --> 05:52:16,760
separate feasibility study process for

7978
05:52:14,520 --> 05:52:18,920
Serra Retreat is being established but

7979
05:52:16,760 --> 05:52:23,800
by this amendment.

7980
05:52:18,920 --> 05:52:25,800
Area three is separated into um

7981
05:52:23,800 --> 05:52:28,520
Phase three is separated into three

7982
05:52:25,800 --> 05:52:30,120
areas, area one, area two, and Serra

7983
05:52:28,520 --> 05:52:33,240
Retreat.

7984
05:52:30,120 --> 05:52:35,000
And the prior phase three trigger

7985
05:52:33,240 --> 05:52:36,840
framework

7986
05:52:35,000 --> 05:52:41,080
is maintained

7987
05:52:36,840 --> 05:52:44,000
at the same as was in previous MOU.

7988
05:52:41,080 --> 05:52:46,640
Here is the map. This is the updated

7989
05:52:44,000 --> 05:52:49,440
Malibu septic prohibition map and you

7990
05:52:46,640 --> 05:52:51,440
can see all these highlighted areas

7991
05:52:49,440 --> 05:52:54,240
which you have

7992
05:52:51,440 --> 05:52:55,840
phase one in yellow, the phase one that

7993
05:52:54,240 --> 05:52:57,040
was completed.

7994
05:52:55,840 --> 05:53:00,920
Then you have [clears throat]

7995
05:52:57,040 --> 05:53:03,880
phase two in tan color and this was

7996
05:53:00,920 --> 05:53:06,800
modification was made to extend it to

7997
05:53:03,880 --> 05:53:07,960
the western Malibu Road.

7998
05:53:06,800 --> 05:53:10,920
Um

7999
05:53:07,960 --> 05:53:13,320
and then you have the purple color, you

8000
05:53:10,920 --> 05:53:14,840
have phase three

8001
05:53:13,320 --> 05:53:17,000
which um

8002
05:53:14,840 --> 05:53:22,160
has three areas.

8003
05:53:17,000 --> 05:53:27,600
Area one is by the Malibu Pier.

8004
05:53:22,160 --> 05:53:31,760
Area two is near the Civic Center Way uh

8005
05:53:27,600 --> 05:53:34,880
and Malibu Canyon Road and phase three

8006
05:53:31,760 --> 05:53:37,840
Serra Retreat is a now a separate

8007
05:53:34,880 --> 05:53:37,840
separate area.

8008
05:53:39,800 --> 05:53:45,560
The um

8009
05:53:42,000 --> 05:53:48,400
uh framework that triggers phase three

8010
05:53:45,560 --> 05:53:52,160
now in this amendment four stays

8011
05:53:48,400 --> 05:53:55,160
consistent with the prior MOU.

8012
05:53:52,160 --> 05:53:57,840
Um the water quality monitoring results

8013
05:53:55,160 --> 05:54:01,000
are the one that are going to show us if

8014
05:53:57,840 --> 05:54:03,840
the after implementation of phases one

8015
05:54:01,000 --> 05:54:05,080
and two, phase three is going to be

8016
05:54:03,840 --> 05:54:08,640
triggered.

8017
05:54:05,080 --> 05:54:11,480
Um phase one and two um

8018
05:54:08,640 --> 05:54:15,440
test results will show the bacteria and

8019
05:54:11,480 --> 05:54:19,400
nitrogen reduction and if the if the

8020
05:54:15,440 --> 05:54:23,320
goals set by MOU are achieved then

8021
05:54:19,400 --> 05:54:25,280
achieved, then phase three will proceed

8022
05:54:23,320 --> 05:54:28,160
will proceed with exception of not

8023
05:54:25,280 --> 05:54:28,800
contributing properties.

8024
05:54:28,160 --> 05:54:31,720
Uh

8025
05:54:28,800 --> 05:54:33,640
phase one and two quality improvements

8026
05:54:31,720 --> 05:54:34,800
are not achieved

8027
05:54:33,640 --> 05:54:38,200
then

8028
05:54:34,800 --> 05:54:40,120
the phase three will not be required and

8029
05:54:38,200 --> 05:54:41,720
that will be considered that the lack of

8030
05:54:40,120 --> 05:54:45,520
improvements

8031
05:54:41,720 --> 05:54:49,160
that did not show the

8032
05:54:45,520 --> 05:54:51,720
that phase three septic system

8033
05:54:49,160 --> 05:54:55,840
will be the factors that will will be

8034
05:54:51,720 --> 05:54:55,840
contributing to the water quality issue.

8035
05:54:56,560 --> 05:55:00,760
Um here is a tentative implementation

8036
05:54:58,880 --> 05:55:03,720
schedule.

8037
05:55:00,760 --> 05:55:07,160
Uh tonight uh you're you're hearing this

8038
05:55:03,720 --> 05:55:09,520
update. After that um

8039
05:55:07,160 --> 05:55:10,760
the MOU will be published for the public

8040
05:55:09,520 --> 05:55:13,760
comment.

8041
05:55:10,760 --> 05:55:15,920
On July 2026, next month, the regional

8042
05:55:13,760 --> 05:55:18,520
board can will consider the MOU

8043
05:55:15,920 --> 05:55:21,280
amendment. Uh and we're planning bring

8044
05:55:18,520 --> 05:55:23,200
it to the city council in August of

8045
05:55:21,280 --> 05:55:24,120
2026.

8046
05:55:23,200 --> 05:55:27,400
Um

8047
05:55:24,120 --> 05:55:29,360
the next um milestone will be uh CEQA

8048
05:55:27,400 --> 05:55:31,160
addendum and coastal development permit

8049
05:55:29,360 --> 05:55:34,720
amendment if required. We have a

8050
05:55:31,160 --> 05:55:39,640
February 28th targeted for that date.

8051
05:55:34,720 --> 05:55:42,280
Uh April uh 2028 uh phase two redesign.

8052
05:55:39,640 --> 05:55:44,240
October 2028 assessment district

8053
05:55:42,280 --> 05:55:47,680
formation.

8054
05:55:44,240 --> 05:55:50,760
Uh we're looking at March of 2029 of at

8055
05:55:47,680 --> 05:55:54,280
the construction contract award. And uh

8056
05:55:50,760 --> 05:55:55,840
September 2030 for construction of phase

8057
05:55:54,280 --> 05:55:57,400
two and um

8058
05:55:55,840 --> 05:56:00,520
to meet the operation construction

8059
05:55:57,400 --> 05:56:00,520
operation deadline.

8060
05:56:00,600 --> 05:56:06,000
And uh this concludes my presentation,

8061
05:56:03,560 --> 05:56:08,600
and um I'm available to answer questions

8062
05:56:06,000 --> 05:56:11,280
as well as the um

8063
05:56:08,600 --> 05:56:12,520
people from regional board.

8064
05:56:11,280 --> 05:56:14,200
» Does anybody have any clarifying

8065
05:56:12,520 --> 05:56:15,360
questions? Maryann?

8066
05:56:14,200 --> 05:56:17,960
» Well,

8067
05:56:15,360 --> 05:56:21,080
I don't know if it's

8068
05:56:17,960 --> 05:56:23,800
August 2026 city council consideration

8069
05:56:21,080 --> 05:56:26,040
the MOU amendment. And then February

8070
05:56:23,800 --> 05:56:28,240
2028

8071
05:56:26,040 --> 05:56:32,200
Why is there such a long lead time

8072
05:56:28,240 --> 05:56:33,600
between I mean, it's like 18 months.

8073
05:56:32,200 --> 05:56:35,320
Am I

8074
05:56:33,600 --> 05:56:35,800
not understanding

8075
05:56:35,320 --> 05:56:38,440
» Yes.

8076
05:56:35,800 --> 05:56:40,680
» What amendment or addendum is?

8077
05:56:38,440 --> 05:56:42,440
» Yeah, thank you for this question.

8078
05:56:40,680 --> 05:56:44,040
Um there is a there is a project

8079
05:56:42,440 --> 05:56:45,560
redesign

8080
05:56:44,040 --> 05:56:47,280
um

8081
05:56:45,560 --> 05:56:49,880
that will [clears throat] will have some

8082
05:56:47,280 --> 05:56:52,880
financial consideration

8083
05:56:49,880 --> 05:56:55,280
that are put into the schedule. And also

8084
05:56:52,880 --> 05:56:58,440
salary treat feasibility study,

8085
05:56:55,280 --> 05:57:01,240
community outreach, securing easement.

8086
05:56:58,440 --> 05:57:05,080
There is a lot of work that's happening

8087
05:57:01,240 --> 05:57:07,200
in between. And in in the attachment to

8088
05:57:05,080 --> 05:57:10,160
the staff report, there is a more

8089
05:57:07,200 --> 05:57:12,880
detailed schedule that shows more more

8090
05:57:10,160 --> 05:57:16,240
steps. I just provided

8091
05:57:12,880 --> 05:57:16,240
major milestones.

8092
05:57:22,080 --> 05:57:25,440
» I just want to make sure that we

8093
05:57:23,720 --> 05:57:27,920
understand this correctly because you

8094
05:57:25,440 --> 05:57:30,480
described what happens that

8095
05:57:27,920 --> 05:57:32,760
phase three does not go forward if

8096
05:57:30,480 --> 05:57:36,280
phases one and two do not produce the

8097
05:57:32,760 --> 05:57:38,720
results that are desired or or or

8098
05:57:36,280 --> 05:57:40,200
contemplated. That was what I always

8099
05:57:38,720 --> 05:57:42,480
understood, but the last time we were

8100
05:57:40,200 --> 05:57:44,040
together it sounded like we were being

8101
05:57:42,480 --> 05:57:45,960
told it was the other way around. So I

8102
05:57:44,040 --> 05:57:48,280
just want to make sure that we have it

8103
05:57:45,960 --> 05:57:50,600
straight now. The way you described it

8104
05:57:48,280 --> 05:57:53,080
is absolutely the way it works, right?

8105
05:57:50,600 --> 05:57:56,040
» Yes. Yes. Yes, Mayor, you are absolutely

8106
05:57:53,080 --> 05:57:57,320
correct. The last time there was a error

8107
05:57:56,040 --> 05:57:59,360
made in the

8108
05:57:57,320 --> 05:58:02,240
MOU language that the last time we

8109
05:57:59,360 --> 05:58:04,120
brought it in front of you. And this

8110
05:58:02,240 --> 05:58:06,440
amendment corrects it to the previous

8111
05:58:04,120 --> 05:58:08,560
version of an MOU and matches the

8112
05:58:06,440 --> 05:58:09,280
previous language and now it it is

8113
05:58:08,560 --> 05:58:11,560
correct.

8114
05:58:09,280 --> 05:58:14,240
» Okay. Now, does that mean that if if

8115
05:58:11,560 --> 05:58:16,800
phase if pursuant to the MOU phase three

8116
05:58:14,240 --> 05:58:18,480
is not required, the water board is

8117
05:58:16,800 --> 05:58:20,520
done, they they they they are

8118
05:58:18,480 --> 05:58:22,360
contractually bound to let us proceed

8119
05:58:20,520 --> 05:58:22,760
without doing phase three?

8120
05:58:22,360 --> 05:58:23,920
» Correct.

8121
05:58:22,760 --> 05:58:24,520
» Or Yes.

8122
05:58:23,920 --> 05:58:25,640
» Correct.

8123
05:58:24,520 --> 05:58:27,480
» Okay.

8124
05:58:25,640 --> 05:58:29,640
And what what are you what are other

8125
05:58:27,480 --> 05:58:31,640
presenting this to us tonight, what if

8126
05:58:29,640 --> 05:58:33,440
any guidance are you looking for from

8127
05:58:31,640 --> 05:58:36,000
the city council?

8128
05:58:33,440 --> 05:58:38,400
» Uh we would like to make sure you don't

8129
05:58:36,000 --> 05:58:41,520
have any comments on the MOU. We wanted

8130
05:58:38,400 --> 05:58:43,200
to present it before it goes

8131
05:58:41,520 --> 05:58:45,640
with opens to the public comments and

8132
05:58:43,200 --> 05:58:47,280
before it goes to the regional water

8133
05:58:45,640 --> 05:58:48,760
board

8134
05:58:47,280 --> 05:58:51,160
to make sure you don't have any

8135
05:58:48,760 --> 05:58:52,760
additional comments any questions on the

8136
05:58:51,160 --> 05:58:54,560
language of the MOU.

8137
05:58:52,760 --> 05:58:56,120
» Okay. But before but

8138
05:58:54,560 --> 05:58:57,720
whether we give you comments or not

8139
05:58:56,120 --> 05:59:00,120
tonight, it's still going to come back

8140
05:58:57,720 --> 05:59:01,040
for a hearing on whether to submit it as

8141
05:59:00,120 --> 05:59:04,360
our

8142
05:59:01,040 --> 05:59:05,760
as the MOU or whether to agree to it.

8143
05:59:04,360 --> 05:59:07,840
» It goes to the

8144
05:59:05,760 --> 05:59:09,640
the next step. It will goes for the

8145
05:59:07,840 --> 05:59:11,600
public comments and then it goes to the

8146
05:59:09,640 --> 05:59:13,560
board and then it comes back to the city

8147
05:59:11,600 --> 05:59:14,280
council for the MOU approval.

8148
05:59:13,560 --> 05:59:15,640
» Okay.

8149
05:59:14,280 --> 05:59:18,880
» Tonight is just an update.

8150
05:59:15,640 --> 05:59:21,480
» It tonight. I can't Tatiana, I think

8151
05:59:18,880 --> 05:59:23,000
After the public comment period, the

8152
05:59:21,480 --> 05:59:26,160
regional board will be presented with

8153
05:59:23,000 --> 05:59:26,840
the MOU to approve and it's for my

8154
05:59:26,160 --> 05:59:28,520
» Correct.

8155
05:59:26,840 --> 05:59:29,520
» A public comment period. Not not it's

8156
05:59:28,520 --> 05:59:31,320
going to come back here and we're going

8157
05:59:29,520 --> 05:59:33,120
to have public comment. It's a it's just

8158
05:59:31,320 --> 05:59:35,320
a notice goes out to the public and they

8159
05:59:33,120 --> 05:59:35,920
can or don't have to make comments.

8160
05:59:35,320 --> 05:59:37,480
» Correct.

8161
05:59:35,920 --> 05:59:39,520
» Correct. The board yeah, the board's

8162
05:59:37,480 --> 05:59:41,320
release it for the public comment period

8163
05:59:39,520 --> 05:59:42,160
then it goes to the board and then it

8164
05:59:41,320 --> 05:59:43,560
comes back to you.

8165
05:59:42,160 --> 05:59:45,680
» So so although the report has said

8166
05:59:43,560 --> 05:59:47,040
basically it it's make your comments now

8167
05:59:45,680 --> 05:59:48,400
or forever hold your peace to the city

8168
05:59:47,040 --> 05:59:49,240
council, right?

8169
05:59:48,400 --> 05:59:50,920
» Yes.

8170
05:59:49,240 --> 05:59:53,760
» Okay.

8171
05:59:50,920 --> 05:59:55,160
Okay. Anyone else have any questions?

8172
05:59:53,760 --> 05:59:56,880
We have four speaker slips. I just want

8173
05:59:55,160 --> 05:59:58,560
to make a note we've been accepting

8174
05:59:56,880 --> 06:00:00,880
tonight speaker slips that have come in

8175
05:59:58,560 --> 06:00:02,800
during the staff report

8176
06:00:00,880 --> 06:00:05,000
and because there was some confusion

8177
06:00:02,800 --> 06:00:05,960
about that over the past few meetings.

8178
06:00:05,000 --> 06:00:07,800
The

8179
06:00:05,960 --> 06:00:10,000
resolution we adopted tonight when it

8180
06:00:07,800 --> 06:00:12,160
goes into effect says you must submit

8181
06:00:10,000 --> 06:00:14,640
your comment cards before the staff

8182
06:00:12,160 --> 06:00:17,720
report begins. Otherwise they will be

8183
06:00:14,640 --> 06:00:20,280
rejected. So we've been lenient in the

8184
06:00:17,720 --> 06:00:22,000
future you have to have it in when the

8185
06:00:20,280 --> 06:00:23,880
item is called.

8186
06:00:22,000 --> 06:00:26,560
We have four speakers, Marissa Coughlin,

8187
06:00:23,880 --> 06:00:29,920
Danny Smith,

8188
06:00:26,560 --> 06:00:32,480
Jenny Newman, and Jeff

8189
06:00:29,920 --> 06:00:32,480
Fawcett.

8190
06:00:36,040 --> 06:00:40,160
» Thank you. Uh Director Holden's said

8191
06:00:38,600 --> 06:00:42,080
everything and so I don't need to speak.

8192
06:00:40,160 --> 06:00:43,720
Thank you.

8193
06:00:42,080 --> 06:00:46,120
» Thank you, Marissa.

8194
06:00:43,720 --> 06:00:46,120
Danny.

8195
06:00:46,640 --> 06:00:51,000
» I need to speak.

8196
06:00:48,360 --> 06:00:52,400
Um the staff report uh clarified

8197
06:00:51,000 --> 06:00:54,160
something today which you asked about,

8198
06:00:52,400 --> 06:00:56,480
Mayor, uh which is that phase three will

8199
06:00:54,160 --> 06:00:59,080
only be implemented if they discover

8200
06:00:56,480 --> 06:01:00,840
that phase two is successful in reducing

8201
06:00:59,080 --> 06:01:02,880
nitrogen levels.

8202
06:01:00,840 --> 06:01:06,000
Let me say that again.

8203
06:01:02,880 --> 06:01:07,720
Phase three will only be implemented if

8204
06:01:06,000 --> 06:01:09,480
they discover that phase two is

8205
06:01:07,720 --> 06:01:10,920
successful,

8206
06:01:09,480 --> 06:01:14,000
which means every homeowner in the

8207
06:01:10,920 --> 06:01:17,200
colony and on Malibu Road is a guinea

8208
06:01:14,000 --> 06:01:19,440
pig for an unsubstantiated whim of the

8209
06:01:17,200 --> 06:01:20,840
Regional Water Board.

8210
06:01:19,440 --> 06:01:22,080
They don't even know if this will have

8211
06:01:20,840 --> 06:01:25,800
an effect.

8212
06:01:22,080 --> 06:01:28,720
It's a $200,000 fact-finding mission for

8213
06:01:25,800 --> 06:01:31,560
each assessed homeowner.

8214
06:01:28,720 --> 06:01:34,080
Who negotiated this deal?

8215
06:01:31,560 --> 06:01:36,400
Which city manager, which staff members,

8216
06:01:34,080 --> 06:01:38,440
which law firm?

8217
06:01:36,400 --> 06:01:40,680
Trevor, I think this probably predates

8218
06:01:38,440 --> 06:01:43,400
you. I don't know if it predates BBK,

8219
06:01:40,680 --> 06:01:45,920
but if our MOUs and our negotiations and

8220
06:01:43,400 --> 06:01:48,680
our agreements with state-level agencies

8221
06:01:45,920 --> 06:01:51,680
are us just consistently rolling over to

8222
06:01:48,680 --> 06:01:54,680
nonsense, illogic,

8223
06:01:51,680 --> 06:01:57,720
and spiteful impulses, I will make sure

8224
06:01:54,680 --> 06:01:59,440
going forward that the city gets the

8225
06:01:57,720 --> 06:02:01,600
legal prowess that we deserve and that

8226
06:01:59,440 --> 06:02:03,880
we are paying for.

8227
06:02:01,600 --> 06:02:07,120
I will not sit by and allow a lack of

8228
06:02:03,880 --> 06:02:09,880
scientific substantiation, hunches, or

8229
06:02:07,120 --> 06:02:12,920
targeted retribution terrorize the

8230
06:02:09,880 --> 06:02:14,760
residents of this city.

8231
06:02:12,920 --> 06:02:17,240
There is a reason that we face algae

8232
06:02:14,760 --> 06:02:19,360
blooms in the early spring after the

8233
06:02:17,240 --> 06:02:22,400
heavy winter storms. It is because

8234
06:02:19,360 --> 06:02:24,280
surface level runoff brings the

8235
06:02:22,400 --> 06:02:26,600
heightened nitrogen levels from

8236
06:02:24,280 --> 06:02:28,920
fertilizers, from animal waste, from

8237
06:02:26,600 --> 06:02:32,360
decomposing organic matter, not

8238
06:02:28,920 --> 06:02:36,800
supposedly underperforming septic tanks

8239
06:02:32,360 --> 06:02:39,520
that operate the same way year-round.

8240
06:02:36,800 --> 06:02:42,280
If the water board is so dead set on

8241
06:02:39,520 --> 06:02:44,720
improving our sanitary infrastructure

8242
06:02:42,280 --> 06:02:47,920
without any evidence and only a

8243
06:02:44,720 --> 06:02:50,120
conveniently targeted hypothetical,

8244
06:02:47,920 --> 06:02:51,840
then they can bloody well pay for it as

8245
06:02:50,120 --> 06:02:53,520
they did in the state of New York when

8246
06:02:51,840 --> 06:02:54,960
they underwent their septic improvement

8247
06:02:53,520 --> 06:02:57,080
program.

8248
06:02:54,960 --> 06:02:59,120
Were that the case and they were on the

8249
06:02:57,080 --> 06:03:02,920
hook for the investment, I think we'd

8250
06:02:59,120 --> 06:03:05,000
find they suddenly care a lot less.

8251
06:03:02,920 --> 06:03:07,720
I'd like to see a little more backbone

8252
06:03:05,000 --> 06:03:09,680
out of this city. Thank you.

8253
06:03:07,720 --> 06:03:12,080
» Thank you, Jenny.

8254
06:03:09,680 --> 06:03:12,080
Jenny.

8255
06:03:14,066 --> 06:03:16,086
» [snorts]

8256
06:03:19,640 --> 06:03:23,280
» Good evening, Mayor Silverstein and

8257
06:03:21,120 --> 06:03:25,440
council members. Thank you for the

8258
06:03:23,280 --> 06:03:27,320
opportunity to speak. I'm Jenny Newman.

8259
06:03:25,440 --> 06:03:29,560
I'm the assistant executive officer at

8260
06:03:27,320 --> 06:03:31,560
the Los Angeles Regional Water Board.

8261
06:03:29,560 --> 06:03:32,680
Also here is Jim Kang. He's the section

8262
06:03:31,560 --> 06:03:35,160
manager

8263
06:03:32,680 --> 06:03:37,480
of the groundwater permitting section at

8264
06:03:35,160 --> 06:03:39,880
the water board. We are here to strongly

8265
06:03:37,480 --> 06:03:41,520
support implementation of phase two of

8266
06:03:39,880 --> 06:03:44,680
the Civic Center Wastewater Treatment

8267
06:03:41,520 --> 06:03:46,800
Facility and the amendment to the MOU

8268
06:03:44,680 --> 06:03:48,480
that will facilitate the implementation

8269
06:03:46,800 --> 06:03:50,400
of phase two.

8270
06:03:48,480 --> 06:03:52,480
It's an important step to improve water

8271
06:03:50,400 --> 06:03:54,320
quality in Malibu Lagoon and at the

8272
06:03:52,480 --> 06:03:55,880
beach to protect public health and the

8273
06:03:54,320 --> 06:03:58,560
environment.

8274
06:03:55,880 --> 06:04:01,120
Um the revisions to the MOU will ensure

8275
06:03:58,560 --> 06:04:03,600
that phase two moves forward.

8276
06:04:01,120 --> 06:04:05,720
Uh we'd like to thank city staff for

8277
06:04:03,600 --> 06:04:07,960
their cooperation and hard work and

8278
06:04:05,720 --> 06:04:10,360
patience uh throughout the amendment

8279
06:04:07,960 --> 06:04:12,320
process. Thank you to

8280
06:04:10,360 --> 06:04:14,880
um your interim city attorney and the

8281
06:04:12,320 --> 06:04:18,280
city council for pointing out that error

8282
06:04:14,880 --> 06:04:20,040
that we've corrected. And, um,

8283
06:04:18,280 --> 06:04:21,880
just next steps,

8284
06:04:20,040 --> 06:04:24,080
once the

8285
06:04:21,880 --> 06:04:26,720
um, the LA water board staff, we plan to

8286
06:04:24,080 --> 06:04:29,040
bring this to our board for adoption at

8287
06:04:26,720 --> 06:04:32,480
their July 23rd meeting.

8288
06:04:29,040 --> 06:04:34,240
Once the MOU is approved by all parties,

8289
06:04:32,480 --> 06:04:36,520
staff look forward to working with city

8290
06:04:34,240 --> 06:04:38,000
staff on moving forward with this

8291
06:04:36,520 --> 06:04:41,600
important water quality improvement

8292
06:04:38,000 --> 06:04:41,600
project. Thank you.

8293
06:04:42,400 --> 06:04:46,360
» Thank you, Jenny.

8294
06:04:43,840 --> 06:04:46,360
Jeff.

8295
06:04:52,880 --> 06:04:58,480
» Thank you, Mayor, uh, council members,

8296
06:04:55,760 --> 06:04:59,840
uh, city manager, and Trevor.

8297
06:04:58,480 --> 06:05:02,560
My name is Jeff Foller. I've been up

8298
06:04:59,840 --> 06:05:03,440
here before. I'm with Sarah Canyon.

8299
06:05:02,560 --> 06:05:05,080
Um,

8300
06:05:03,440 --> 06:05:07,240
and I just wanted to clarify a couple

8301
06:05:05,080 --> 06:05:10,200
things on this most recent version of

8302
06:05:07,240 --> 06:05:12,560
the MOU before you. Um, a couple of

8303
06:05:10,200 --> 06:05:14,240
things, if you could put the map of the,

8304
06:05:12,560 --> 06:05:17,880
uh, district up,

8305
06:05:14,240 --> 06:05:17,880
uh, on the screen, I'd appreciate it.

8306
06:05:17,960 --> 06:05:21,640
There's two [clears throat] items on

8307
06:05:19,920 --> 06:05:22,760
this particular things that affect

8308
06:05:21,640 --> 06:05:25,320
Sarah.

8309
06:05:22,760 --> 06:05:29,200
And there's always been a big misnomer.

8310
06:05:25,320 --> 06:05:32,680
The Sarah Retreat is the Franciscans,

8311
06:05:29,200 --> 06:05:36,480
uh, who have a retreat on top of a, uh,

8312
06:05:32,680 --> 06:05:38,480
hill inside of our neighborhood. Um, but

8313
06:05:36,480 --> 06:05:40,880
it gets a little bit confused, but I

8314
06:05:38,480 --> 06:05:43,640
wanted to point out to you that

8315
06:05:40,880 --> 06:05:45,680
in the new drawing of phase, what they

8316
06:05:43,640 --> 06:05:47,800
call phase three Sarah Retreat, which is

8317
06:05:45,680 --> 06:05:50,760
Sarah Retreat portion of it,

8318
06:05:47,800 --> 06:05:52,480
it it includes properties within our

8319
06:05:50,760 --> 06:05:55,840
association,

8320
06:05:52,480 --> 06:05:59,440
which were previously in phase three,

8321
06:05:55,840 --> 06:06:01,400
uh, of the, uh, prior MOUs, which means

8322
06:05:59,440 --> 06:06:05,080
that those properties, which are

8323
06:06:01,400 --> 06:06:07,120
primarily up Sweetwater Mesa, are now

8324
06:06:05,080 --> 06:06:09,920
obligated to go under the testing

8325
06:06:07,120 --> 06:06:11,920
program and compliance within the new

8326
06:06:09,920 --> 06:06:14,200
Sarah program

8327
06:06:11,920 --> 06:06:17,320
designed. That's not so much of a

8328
06:06:14,200 --> 06:06:19,080
problem from my perspective cuz I don't

8329
06:06:17,320 --> 06:06:20,840
own one of those properties, but if you

8330
06:06:19,080 --> 06:06:23,760
did own one of those properties that was

8331
06:06:20,840 --> 06:06:26,560
previously in phase three and now you're

8332
06:06:23,760 --> 06:06:29,520
looking at a situation of inspection and

8333
06:06:26,560 --> 06:06:32,240
possible compliance require requiring

8334
06:06:29,520 --> 06:06:34,440
advanced systems and so forth.

8335
06:06:32,240 --> 06:06:37,560
I think it's a bit of a burden on these

8336
06:06:34,440 --> 06:06:40,120
properties that were previously in the

8337
06:06:37,560 --> 06:06:41,880
third phase. The other part of it is is

8338
06:06:40,120 --> 06:06:44,920
that we have two entries into our

8339
06:06:41,880 --> 06:06:46,560
neighborhood as most of you know. Sarah

8340
06:06:44,920 --> 06:06:48,760
Road is one

8341
06:06:46,560 --> 06:06:50,640
and Cross Creek Road is the other. On

8342
06:06:48,760 --> 06:06:52,520
Cross Creek Road coming in from the

8343
06:06:50,640 --> 06:06:54,440
Civic Center,

8344
06:06:52,520 --> 06:06:57,160
there are five properties which are part

8345
06:06:54,440 --> 06:06:59,600
of the Sarah Canyon neighborhood and are

8346
06:06:57,160 --> 06:07:03,520
part of our association. And those five

8347
06:06:59,600 --> 06:07:06,720
properties are now required to connect

8348
06:07:03,520 --> 06:07:10,040
in the phase phase two. So they've kind

8349
06:07:06,720 --> 06:07:11,600
of bifurcated or separated them from the

8350
06:07:10,040 --> 06:07:13,280
neighborhood and I can tell you right

8351
06:07:11,600 --> 06:07:15,120
now that they're not going to be

8352
06:07:13,280 --> 06:07:17,680
thrilled about that particular thing.

8353
06:07:15,120 --> 06:07:20,480
Oh, you got everybody excluded or put

8354
06:07:17,680 --> 06:07:22,200
into this special thing except our five

8355
06:07:20,480 --> 06:07:23,160
properties.

8356
06:07:22,200 --> 06:07:26,120
So I think that's going to be a

8357
06:07:23,160 --> 06:07:28,280
difficult discussion. Anyway, thank you

8358
06:07:26,120 --> 06:07:29,880
for your time this evening and kind of

8359
06:07:28,280 --> 06:07:30,680
review that.

8360
06:07:29,880 --> 06:07:32,400
Thanks.

8361
06:07:30,680 --> 06:07:34,920
» Thank you.

8362
06:07:32,400 --> 06:07:37,000
Anybody on Zoom?

8363
06:07:34,920 --> 06:07:39,760
» There's one raised hand from Ryan.

8364
06:07:37,000 --> 06:07:42,400
» Okay, let's hear from Ryan.

8365
06:07:39,760 --> 06:07:45,840
» I want to thank you for paying attention

8366
06:07:42,400 --> 06:07:50,800
to this. This history goes back a long

8367
06:07:45,840 --> 06:07:52,040
time to violations from 20 2005, 6, and

8368
06:07:50,800 --> 06:07:53,960
7.

8369
06:07:52,040 --> 06:07:57,600
Mainly from commercial properties along

8370
06:07:53,960 --> 06:07:59,960
Cross Creek Road that have addressed and

8371
06:07:57,600 --> 06:08:01,520
are have been included in a newly

8372
06:07:59,960 --> 06:08:02,640
constructed

8373
06:08:01,520 --> 06:08:05,160
uh,

8374
06:08:02,640 --> 06:08:07,280
large capacity sewage treatment plant

8375
06:08:05,160 --> 06:08:11,840
which the city voluntarily agreed to

8376
06:08:07,280 --> 06:08:13,840
construct under the original MOU.

8377
06:08:11,840 --> 06:08:17,600
Uh, the property I have is in a

8378
06:08:13,840 --> 06:08:20,760
condominium complex of three, actually

8379
06:08:17,600 --> 06:08:23,120
four complexes which are tied together

8380
06:08:20,760 --> 06:08:25,880
in an existing assessment district which

8381
06:08:23,120 --> 06:08:28,840
successfully treats the water to state

8382
06:08:25,880 --> 06:08:31,920
permit standards which gravity feeds

8383
06:08:28,840 --> 06:08:35,200
into a different aquifer which is called

8384
06:08:31,920 --> 06:08:36,640
the Winter Canyon Aquifer which goes out

8385
06:08:35,200 --> 06:08:38,880
directly [clears throat]

8386
06:08:36,640 --> 06:08:40,760
under PCH to the Pacific Ocean at

8387
06:08:38,880 --> 06:08:42,080
Amarillo Beach.

8388
06:08:40,760 --> 06:08:44,320
Most people don't know that's the name

8389
06:08:42,080 --> 06:08:45,280
of the beach on Malibu Road.

8390
06:08:44,320 --> 06:08:47,640
Um,

8391
06:08:45,280 --> 06:08:50,760
the city conducted many studies uh,

8392
06:08:47,640 --> 06:08:53,680
during the early uh, years and before

8393
06:08:50,760 --> 06:08:55,760
Legacy Park was construction constructed

8394
06:08:53,680 --> 06:08:57,400
and the uh, storm water treatment

8395
06:08:55,760 --> 06:09:00,080
facility in front of Whole Foods was

8396
06:08:57,400 --> 06:09:03,280
created and we've chipped away and

8397
06:09:00,080 --> 06:09:05,760
solved the pollution problem.

8398
06:09:03,280 --> 06:09:08,640
I I understand the corrective nature of

8399
06:09:05,760 --> 06:09:11,560
defining the trigger for phase three.

8400
06:09:08,640 --> 06:09:13,800
However, the uh, technical memo number

8401
06:09:11,560 --> 06:09:16,840
four was never proven and it was

8402
06:09:13,800 --> 06:09:19,640
disproven by the city's US Geological

8403
06:09:16,840 --> 06:09:22,720
Survey report which was a peer study

8404
06:09:19,640 --> 06:09:24,160
almost ready to be completed and well,

8405
06:09:22,720 --> 06:09:26,280
you know, the water board had to have

8406
06:09:24,160 --> 06:09:27,880
their prohibition hearing in November of

8407
06:09:26,280 --> 06:09:29,920
2009

8408
06:09:27,880 --> 06:09:32,000
and just go for broke, get the time and

8409
06:09:29,920 --> 06:09:34,280
try to get away with it.

8410
06:09:32,000 --> 06:09:37,560
The executive director was

8411
06:09:34,280 --> 06:09:40,200
quickly departed. That was Tracy Egoscue

8412
06:09:37,560 --> 06:09:42,440
and other people uh, bear the brunt, but

8413
06:09:40,200 --> 06:09:45,280
it was a total taking by making the

8414
06:09:42,440 --> 06:09:47,640
properties uninhabitable.

8415
06:09:45,280 --> 06:09:50,720
Now, our condominium association has

8416
06:09:47,640 --> 06:09:53,680
operated this uh, with the County of Los

8417
06:09:50,720 --> 06:09:55,280
Angeles operated plants successfully for

8418
06:09:53,680 --> 06:09:56,760
all these years and paid to have it

8419
06:09:55,280 --> 06:09:59,320
rebuilt.

8420
06:09:56,760 --> 06:10:02,080
And it has an extended remaining life.

8421
06:09:59,320 --> 06:10:04,600
The original lasted 38 years.

8422
06:10:02,080 --> 06:10:07,520
And there's about a third or half of

8423
06:10:04,600 --> 06:10:10,120
that useful life remaining. The main

8424
06:10:07,520 --> 06:10:13,200
point is that gravity discharge does not

8425
06:10:10,120 --> 06:10:14,920
require electricity and it doesn't

8426
06:10:13,200 --> 06:10:16,760
raise the water table in the Civic

8427
06:10:14,920 --> 06:10:18,520
Center and it does not pollute Malibu

8428
06:10:16,760 --> 06:10:20,920
Lagoon according to technical memo

8429
06:10:18,520 --> 06:10:22,760
number four, which was never proven.

8430
06:10:20,920 --> 06:10:25,400
None of this was actually ever proven

8431
06:10:22,760 --> 06:10:27,200
and the report that Jim Thorson, our

8432
06:10:25,400 --> 06:10:29,680
city engineer and city manager was

8433
06:10:27,200 --> 06:10:31,320
working on disproved it. And that's why

8434
06:10:29,680 --> 06:10:33,520
we got stuck with this.

8435
06:10:31,320 --> 06:10:35,240
So, I request that the

8436
06:10:33,520 --> 06:10:37,600
properties connected to our existing

8437
06:10:35,240 --> 06:10:39,040
assessment district be moved into phase

8438
06:10:37,600 --> 06:10:41,600
three

8439
06:10:39,040 --> 06:10:42,880
with the option to connect any time

8440
06:10:41,600 --> 06:10:45,480
earlier

8441
06:10:42,880 --> 06:10:46,760
as necessary to the city's plan.

8442
06:10:45,480 --> 06:10:48,560
Thank you.

8443
06:10:46,760 --> 06:10:51,200
» Thank you, Ron.

8444
06:10:48,560 --> 06:10:53,160
That concludes public comment.

8445
06:10:51,200 --> 06:10:54,520
Back to city council.

8446
06:10:53,160 --> 06:10:56,400
» I have a question.

8447
06:10:54,520 --> 06:10:59,080
Is the provision that we've been talking

8448
06:10:56,400 --> 06:11:01,280
about with the under what circumstances

8449
06:10:59,080 --> 06:11:05,520
phase three does not have to go forward

8450
06:11:01,280 --> 06:11:07,200
anywhere other than in provision

8451
06:11:05,520 --> 06:11:09,400
um

8452
06:11:07,200 --> 06:11:11,040
article two

8453
06:11:09,400 --> 06:11:15,040
subsection

8454
06:11:11,040 --> 06:11:16,480
C sub paragraph

8455
06:11:15,040 --> 06:11:18,560
three?

8456
06:11:16,480 --> 06:11:18,920
Where is that the place where that's set

8457
06:11:18,560 --> 06:11:21,000
forth?

8458
06:11:18,920 --> 06:11:22,160
» That's the place where it's Yeah, where

8459
06:11:21,000 --> 06:11:24,120
it sets that provision.

8460
06:11:22,160 --> 06:11:26,480
» Okay, so here's my comment for the for

8461
06:11:24,120 --> 06:11:28,120
the council to consider. Um this is

8462
06:11:26,480 --> 06:11:30,280
stated

8463
06:11:28,120 --> 06:11:31,880
the way this is stated, it says under

8464
06:11:30,280 --> 06:11:34,080
what circumstances phase three is

8465
06:11:31,880 --> 06:11:36,680
required to go forward. It does not

8466
06:11:34,080 --> 06:11:39,400
state under what circumstances phase

8467
06:11:36,680 --> 06:11:42,120
three is not required to go forward. It

8468
06:11:39,400 --> 06:11:44,520
may be implied, but it is not expressed

8469
06:11:42,120 --> 06:11:47,960
and I would like to see it expressed.

8470
06:11:44,520 --> 06:11:49,960
So, my suggestion is

8471
06:11:47,960 --> 06:11:51,400
um actually it's it's subsection two. I

8472
06:11:49,960 --> 06:11:52,320
I I I referred to the wrong I said

8473
06:11:51,400 --> 06:11:54,320
three.

8474
06:11:52,320 --> 06:11:55,880
Um it says should the city and the Los

8475
06:11:54,320 --> 06:11:57,680
Angeles Water Board determine that the

8476
06:11:55,880 --> 06:11:59,480
implementation of phase one and phase

8477
06:11:57,680 --> 06:12:02,360
two has resulted in bacteria and

8478
06:11:59,480 --> 06:12:05,400
nitrogen reduction as set forth in

8479
06:12:02,360 --> 06:12:07,480
2C1 above, the city shall proceed with

8480
06:12:05,400 --> 06:12:09,040
implementation of phase three excluding

8481
06:12:07,480 --> 06:12:10,320
any properties the Los Angeles Water

8482
06:12:09,040 --> 06:12:12,520
Board concludes and the city has

8483
06:12:10,320 --> 06:12:14,280
demonstrated to have no contribution to

8484
06:12:12,520 --> 06:12:16,880
bacteria or nutrient impacts to the

8485
06:12:14,280 --> 06:12:18,760
Malibu Creek and Malibu Lagoon. I would

8486
06:12:16,880 --> 06:12:20,840
add the following sentence.

8487
06:12:18,760 --> 06:12:22,520
In the absence of such determination,

8488
06:12:20,840 --> 06:12:25,720
the city shall not be required to

8489
06:12:22,520 --> 06:12:25,720
proceed with phase three.

8490
06:12:28,800 --> 06:12:32,120
Rob, you're you're raising your hand?

8491
06:12:36,280 --> 06:12:40,840
This This says when it would be required

8492
06:12:38,600 --> 06:12:43,200
to but it doesn't excuse performance.

8493
06:12:40,840 --> 06:12:43,200
» We'll

8494
06:12:43,520 --> 06:12:46,080
we'll maybe we can bring it up to the

8495
06:12:44,760 --> 06:12:48,560
regional board and see if they can add

8496
06:12:46,080 --> 06:12:50,320
that. That's the whole purpose

8497
06:12:48,560 --> 06:12:52,520
for this meeting and this update is to

8498
06:12:50,320 --> 06:12:53,920
get these little comments, get these

8499
06:12:52,520 --> 06:12:55,600
discussions we can have it with the

8500
06:12:53,920 --> 06:12:58,160
regional board so we can add those in to

8501
06:12:55,600 --> 06:13:00,040
the to the final document. So I think I

8502
06:12:58,160 --> 06:13:01,040
think it's a very good comment and and

8503
06:13:00,040 --> 06:13:02,920
we can

8504
06:13:01,040 --> 06:13:05,760
put that in and see how we we can

8505
06:13:02,920 --> 06:13:05,760
incorporate that in.

8506
06:13:05,880 --> 06:13:08,120
» Does anybody else have any other

8507
06:13:06,640 --> 06:13:10,040
comments?

8508
06:13:08,120 --> 06:13:12,200
» Can I ask for clarity one more time what

8509
06:13:10,040 --> 06:13:13,080
that language was added?

8510
06:13:12,200 --> 06:13:14,000
Sorry, Mayor.

8511
06:13:13,080 --> 06:13:18,480
» It's okay.

8512
06:13:14,000 --> 06:13:21,360
» It's on page 16 of the staff report.

8513
06:13:18,480 --> 06:13:22,800
Um item two, I would add in between the

8514
06:13:21,360 --> 06:13:24,440
two sentences that are there the

8515
06:13:22,800 --> 06:13:27,040
additional sentence says in the absence

8516
06:13:24,440 --> 06:13:28,960
of such determination, the city shall

8517
06:13:27,040 --> 06:13:31,200
not be required to proceed with phase

8518
06:13:28,960 --> 06:13:34,520
three.

8519
06:13:31,200 --> 06:13:37,080
» My um one and only comment on this is

8520
06:13:34,520 --> 06:13:40,960
Mr. Fowler brought up some concerns. Has

8521
06:13:37,080 --> 06:13:44,640
the city addressed them with him and or

8522
06:13:40,960 --> 06:13:44,640
did you guys get that?

8523
06:13:44,680 --> 06:13:48,440
» Yeah, I I understand. I'd like some

8524
06:13:46,400 --> 06:13:48,960
clarification as to which

8525
06:13:48,440 --> 06:13:50,120
» Me, too.

8526
06:13:48,960 --> 06:13:53,040
» Properties and

8527
06:13:50,120 --> 06:13:54,880
» You guys must have discussed this with

8528
06:13:53,040 --> 06:13:57,280
Jeff from Serra Retreat.

8529
06:13:54,880 --> 06:13:59,560
» Yes, correct. I've had

8530
06:13:57,280 --> 06:14:03,880
several several several conversations

8531
06:13:59,560 --> 06:14:03,880
» So, he still sounds concerned.

8532
06:14:04,600 --> 06:14:08,040
» On

8533
06:14:05,640 --> 06:14:09,240
which which one particular?

8534
06:14:08,040 --> 06:14:10,800
» The five houses?

8535
06:14:09,240 --> 06:14:13,000
» The five houses that are on Civic Center

8536
06:14:10,800 --> 06:14:14,760
Way or or on on Cross Creek will be

8537
06:14:13,000 --> 06:14:17,200
connected in phase two.

8538
06:14:14,760 --> 06:14:19,680
And and there's a line that goes right

8539
06:14:17,200 --> 06:14:22,000
now there's a line on Civic Center Way

8540
06:14:19,680 --> 06:14:24,280
that just goes right past uh Whole

8541
06:14:22,000 --> 06:14:26,120
Foods. And and that line will continue

8542
06:14:24,280 --> 06:14:28,000
up connecting those properties around

8543
06:14:26,120 --> 06:14:29,480
around the the west side of Malibu

8544
06:14:28,000 --> 06:14:30,400
Creek.

8545
06:14:29,480 --> 06:14:31,400
» Okay.

8546
06:14:30,400 --> 06:14:33,040
» They're

8547
06:14:31,400 --> 06:14:35,520
» Were they always in phase two?

8548
06:14:33,040 --> 06:14:38,880
» They're always in phase two.

8549
06:14:35,520 --> 06:14:38,880
» Okay. Thank you.

8550
06:14:39,200 --> 06:14:44,600
» Sweetwater Mesa

8551
06:14:41,640 --> 06:14:44,800
» Jeff, sorry. No, we don't have comment

8552
06:14:44,600 --> 06:14:47,160
at this

8553
06:14:44,800 --> 06:14:48,600
» Send me an email if you're still

8554
06:14:47,160 --> 06:14:50,200
confused or

8555
06:14:48,600 --> 06:14:51,920
» Does somebody wish to have Jeff come up

8556
06:14:50,200 --> 06:14:53,600
and ask him a question? Otherwise, he

8557
06:14:51,920 --> 06:14:55,600
can't just comment from the uh

8558
06:14:53,600 --> 06:14:57,080
» I mean, I would like just clarity on to

8559
06:14:55,600 --> 06:14:59,640
make sure that we're all on the same

8560
06:14:57,080 --> 06:15:01,160
page in the same hearing on

8561
06:14:59,640 --> 06:15:02,440
on this. So, yes, please come up.

8562
06:15:01,160 --> 06:15:05,400
» So, Jeff, could you please come up to

8563
06:15:02,440 --> 06:15:05,400
the uh microphone?

8564
06:15:08,400 --> 06:15:14,080
» So, those five properties that are on

8565
06:15:10,280 --> 06:15:17,440
Cross Creek Road were always in phase

8566
06:15:14,080 --> 06:15:20,240
two and continue to be in phase two.

8567
06:15:17,440 --> 06:15:22,440
But, Serra Retreat has been taken out of

8568
06:15:20,240 --> 06:15:24,080
phase two now.

8569
06:15:22,440 --> 06:15:26,760
But, they are part of Serra Retreat. So,

8570
06:15:24,080 --> 06:15:29,520
they're not being taken out of phase

8571
06:15:26,760 --> 06:15:31,520
two. is the long and short of it. And

8572
06:15:29,520 --> 06:15:33,680
the properties up Sweetwater Mesa, which

8573
06:15:31,520 --> 06:15:35,720
is on the other side

8574
06:15:33,680 --> 06:15:39,520
the properties up on the top part of

8575
06:15:35,720 --> 06:15:40,760
Sweetwater Mesa were in the old phase

8576
06:15:39,520 --> 06:15:42,760
three.

8577
06:15:40,760 --> 06:15:46,200
But, now they're in the Serra Retreat

8578
06:15:42,760 --> 06:15:49,200
special area. So, they're subject to

8579
06:15:46,200 --> 06:15:50,960
analysis and planning and determination

8580
06:15:49,200 --> 06:15:53,200
as to whether or not they're going to

8581
06:15:50,960 --> 06:15:55,440
have to upgrade their septic systems to

8582
06:15:53,200 --> 06:15:58,040
advanced system or whatever it was.

8583
06:15:55,440 --> 06:16:00,680
Whereas before, when they were in phase

8584
06:15:58,040 --> 06:16:02,800
three, they're subject to the criteria

8585
06:16:00,680 --> 06:16:05,160
that if there's no improvement in the

8586
06:16:02,800 --> 06:16:07,040
watershed, phase three's not going to go

8587
06:16:05,160 --> 06:16:09,840
forward.

8588
06:16:07,040 --> 06:16:11,720
» I followed the first part about the five

8589
06:16:09,840 --> 06:16:13,120
being left in, but what can you repeat

8590
06:16:11,720 --> 06:16:13,600
the last the second the other part

8591
06:16:13,120 --> 06:16:16,240
again?

8592
06:16:13,600 --> 06:16:18,160
» Yeah, up Sweetwater Mesa, the top

8593
06:16:16,240 --> 06:16:21,040
portion of Sweetwater Mesa where many

8594
06:16:18,160 --> 06:16:24,040
large estates are.

8595
06:16:21,040 --> 06:16:25,200
Um they were previously in phase three.

8596
06:16:24,040 --> 06:16:27,920
» And what are they now?

8597
06:16:25,200 --> 06:16:31,280
» Now Now they're in Serra Retreat, that's

8598
06:16:27,920 --> 06:16:31,280
special phase two.

8599
06:16:31,320 --> 06:16:34,640
» Well, wait, aren't they in phase three?

8600
06:16:33,760 --> 06:16:37,200
» Phase three.

8601
06:16:34,640 --> 06:16:40,000
» It It's It's not It's not really phase

8602
06:16:37,200 --> 06:16:44,800
three because the date criteria for

8603
06:16:40,000 --> 06:16:45,480
compliance is earlier than phase three.

8604
06:16:44,800 --> 06:16:46,960
» And and phase

8605
06:16:45,480 --> 06:16:50,720
» There's going to be an inspection and a

8606
06:16:46,960 --> 06:16:53,320
program designed for Serra Retreat.

8607
06:16:50,720 --> 06:16:56,800
To be determined, okay? And then

8608
06:16:53,320 --> 06:16:59,640
compliance with that program is required

8609
06:16:56,800 --> 06:17:00,800
prior to phase three, if I'm not

8610
06:16:59,640 --> 06:17:01,200
mistaken.

8611
06:17:00,800 --> 06:17:02,640
Right?

8612
06:17:01,200 --> 06:17:03,520
» That doesn't sound right. Is that

8613
06:17:02,640 --> 06:17:04,320
correct?

8614
06:17:03,520 --> 06:17:07,080
» So,

8615
06:17:04,320 --> 06:17:08,560
» The Serra Retreat uh phase three

8616
06:17:07,080 --> 06:17:11,160
includes

8617
06:17:08,560 --> 06:17:12,400
a feasibility study. Based on that

8618
06:17:11,160 --> 06:17:14,320
study,

8619
06:17:12,400 --> 06:17:16,280
um

8620
06:17:14,320 --> 06:17:18,320
that's going to make a determination on

8621
06:17:16,280 --> 06:17:19,720
how all those properties in Serra

8622
06:17:18,320 --> 06:17:21,720
Retreat are going to meet the water

8623
06:17:19,720 --> 06:17:23,400
quality objectives in the septic

8624
06:17:21,720 --> 06:17:26,160
prohibition.

8625
06:17:23,400 --> 06:17:28,720
Um so, that's a little different than

8626
06:17:26,160 --> 06:17:31,880
phase three. The other phase three

8627
06:17:28,720 --> 06:17:34,840
it's up by Malibu Knolls, and the other

8628
06:17:31,880 --> 06:17:35,880
phase three is on PCH

8629
06:17:34,840 --> 06:17:38,720
over there by Serra.

8630
06:17:35,880 --> 06:17:40,720
» So, let's do it this way. Suppose phase

8631
06:17:38,720 --> 06:17:41,160
two is completed

8632
06:17:40,720 --> 06:17:44,080
» Correct.

8633
06:17:41,160 --> 06:17:46,280
» And the bacteria and nitrogen levels

8634
06:17:44,080 --> 06:17:48,880
have not depleted to the point where

8635
06:17:46,280 --> 06:17:50,280
phase three is required to go forward.

8636
06:17:48,880 --> 06:17:53,120
Under those circumstances, is there

8637
06:17:50,280 --> 06:17:54,880
something that these properties in Sarah

8638
06:17:53,120 --> 06:17:57,600
Retreat, including the ones that Jeff

8639
06:17:54,880 --> 06:17:58,960
just mentioned, would still need to do,

8640
06:17:57,600 --> 06:18:00,520
notwithstanding the fact that phase

8641
06:17:58,960 --> 06:18:01,440
three is not going forward?

8642
06:18:00,520 --> 06:18:01,800
» The answer is yes.

8643
06:18:01,440 --> 06:18:03,160
» Yes.

8644
06:18:01,800 --> 06:18:04,600
» On page On page 14

8645
06:18:03,160 --> 06:18:08,040
» What What is it?

8646
06:18:04,600 --> 06:18:09,320
» On page 14 During phase two, the city

8647
06:18:08,040 --> 06:18:11,240
shall [snorts] require properties in

8648
06:18:09,320 --> 06:18:14,320
Sarah Retreat area shown from the red

8649
06:18:11,240 --> 06:18:16,520
colored outline to implement

8650
06:18:14,320 --> 06:18:19,320
interim measures to reduce nitrogen and

8651
06:18:16,520 --> 06:18:20,480
and bacteria loading prior to the start

8652
06:18:19,320 --> 06:18:23,000
of phase three.

8653
06:18:20,480 --> 06:18:23,000
» Okay.

8654
06:18:23,160 --> 06:18:27,720
» That's That's as I read your

8655
06:18:25,960 --> 06:18:30,080
presentation

8656
06:18:27,720 --> 06:18:32,200
you've got phase three, part one, phase

8657
06:18:30,080 --> 06:18:33,480
three, part two, phase three, part

8658
06:18:32,200 --> 06:18:36,320
three.

8659
06:18:33,480 --> 06:18:38,160
And you're saying that

8660
06:18:36,320 --> 06:18:39,720
it doesn't make any difference whether

8661
06:18:38,160 --> 06:18:41,080
you're in

8662
06:18:39,720 --> 06:18:43,800
the number one

8663
06:18:41,080 --> 06:18:45,560
or number two. It's

8664
06:18:43,800 --> 06:18:48,040
You're in phase You're in phase three.

8665
06:18:45,560 --> 06:18:50,160
» So let me just clar- clarify. The

8666
06:18:48,040 --> 06:18:53,720
triggering effect

8667
06:18:50,160 --> 06:18:57,680
would be applicable to those properties

8668
06:18:53,720 --> 06:18:57,680
and what is it? Um phase three.

8669
06:18:57,760 --> 06:19:03,040
Phase three, area one and three.

8670
06:19:01,240 --> 06:19:04,240
Not Not Sarah Retreat.

8671
06:19:03,040 --> 06:19:06,160
» Okay.

8672
06:19:04,240 --> 06:19:07,800
» So, because what I was saying, cuz your

8673
06:19:06,160 --> 06:19:09,560
your map up there

8674
06:19:07,800 --> 06:19:10,760
and I got confused I just thought it was

8675
06:19:09,560 --> 06:19:14,680
a typo.

8676
06:19:10,760 --> 06:19:17,280
Phase Phase three, area one

8677
06:19:14,680 --> 06:19:19,760
gets done, you got a timeline for that,

8678
06:19:17,280 --> 06:19:22,680
and then you've got a timeline later for

8679
06:19:19,760 --> 06:19:23,880
area two. Is that right?

8680
06:19:22,680 --> 06:19:26,960
» So

8681
06:19:23,880 --> 06:19:29,800
So, area So, phase three, area

8682
06:19:26,960 --> 06:19:31,840
one and two have the same timeline.

8683
06:19:29,800 --> 06:19:34,200
» Okay.

8684
06:19:31,840 --> 06:19:36,480
» Phase three, Sarah Retreat has its own

8685
06:19:34,200 --> 06:19:38,280
separate timeline where they have to do

8686
06:19:36,480 --> 06:19:42,240
feasibility study

8687
06:19:38,280 --> 06:19:44,600
and look at methods on how they will

8688
06:19:42,240 --> 06:19:47,240
achieve the water quality objectives.

8689
06:19:44,600 --> 06:19:51,320
» But that that map should say phase three

8690
06:19:47,240 --> 06:19:53,680
Serene Retreat area three, right?

8691
06:19:51,320 --> 06:19:56,280
» It says phase three.

8692
06:19:53,680 --> 06:19:59,200
Serene Retreat, which is a different and

8693
06:19:56,280 --> 06:20:00,320
that's how it's labeled in the MOU.

8694
06:19:59,200 --> 06:20:01,760
» Okay.

8695
06:20:00,320 --> 06:20:03,440
» If [clears throat and snorts] you if you

8696
06:20:01,760 --> 06:20:07,560
can look at the legend, there is a

8697
06:20:03,440 --> 06:20:10,560
project areas in the red boundary shows

8698
06:20:07,560 --> 06:20:14,000
phase three Serene Retreat and the cyan

8699
06:20:10,560 --> 06:20:15,640
phase three one and two.

8700
06:20:14,000 --> 06:20:16,680
» Okay, so let me

8701
06:20:15,640 --> 06:20:19,120
let me go through this the way I

8702
06:20:16,680 --> 06:20:23,200
understand it. First of all, as to the

8703
06:20:19,120 --> 06:20:25,760
five properties that were in phase two

8704
06:20:23,200 --> 06:20:27,680
and are still in phase two,

8705
06:20:25,760 --> 06:20:29,920
I even though they're not getting the

8706
06:20:27,680 --> 06:20:31,840
same benefit of the others, I can

8707
06:20:29,920 --> 06:20:33,640
understand why the water board would

8708
06:20:31,840 --> 06:20:34,720
keep those five in. I don't have an

8709
06:20:33,640 --> 06:20:36,680
issue with that because they're not

8710
06:20:34,720 --> 06:20:37,800
getting worse treatment than they had

8711
06:20:36,680 --> 06:20:38,960
before. They're getting the same

8712
06:20:37,800 --> 06:20:41,280
treatment. They're just not getting the

8713
06:20:38,960 --> 06:20:43,480
benefit of being excluded.

8714
06:20:41,280 --> 06:20:44,920
What I'm hearing, if it if it's correct,

8715
06:20:43,480 --> 06:20:49,320
is that there are some additional

8716
06:20:44,920 --> 06:20:51,000
properties that were in phase three

8717
06:20:49,320 --> 06:20:54,600
to begin with that would never need to

8718
06:20:51,000 --> 06:20:56,040
go forward if the nitrogen and hydrogen

8719
06:20:54,600 --> 06:20:58,160
what's the other thing?

8720
06:20:56,040 --> 06:20:59,240
If the if the two measures didn't drop,

8721
06:20:58,160 --> 06:21:02,040
they'd never have to do anything

8722
06:20:59,240 --> 06:21:05,000
further, but they've now been added into

8723
06:21:02,040 --> 06:21:05,840
this special early remediation group. Is

8724
06:21:05,000 --> 06:21:06,400
that accurate?

8725
06:21:05,840 --> 06:21:07,880
» Correct.

8726
06:21:06,400 --> 06:21:09,960
» Okay.

8727
06:21:07,880 --> 06:21:11,760
That seems unfair.

8728
06:21:09,960 --> 06:21:13,920
That they should have to do that at the

8729
06:21:11,760 --> 06:21:15,640
to to in order to get the other ones

8730
06:21:13,920 --> 06:21:17,920
out, they should have to be subjected to

8731
06:21:15,640 --> 06:21:20,600
something new. That sounds wrong to me.

8732
06:21:17,920 --> 06:21:21,880
So, can we work to adjust that so that

8733
06:21:20,600 --> 06:21:24,560
they are in

8734
06:21:21,880 --> 06:21:27,200
phase three full stop, not special phase

8735
06:21:24,560 --> 06:21:29,840
three. Otherwise, it's not why would we

8736
06:21:27,200 --> 06:21:31,080
be agreeing to help Sarah retreat out at

8737
06:21:29,840 --> 06:21:32,600
the cost of other people?

8738
06:21:31,080 --> 06:21:34,080
» Yeah, we can Yeah, we can add that

8739
06:21:32,600 --> 06:21:36,040
comment and we can work with the reason

8740
06:21:34,080 --> 06:21:36,480
board to see if we can clear that up.

8741
06:21:36,040 --> 06:21:37,720
» Okay.

8742
06:21:36,480 --> 06:21:40,560
» Yeah.

8743
06:21:37,720 --> 06:21:45,000
» And do we need to to add

8744
06:21:40,560 --> 06:21:47,800
If I heard Jeff correctly, there is the

8745
06:21:45,000 --> 06:21:50,240
area of the neighborhood of Sarah and

8746
06:21:47,800 --> 06:21:52,840
then there's the retreat itself.

8747
06:21:50,240 --> 06:21:55,560
» Well, Sarah Retreat is a Franciscan

8748
06:21:52,840 --> 06:21:57,520
retreat on top of the bluff in the

8749
06:21:55,560 --> 06:21:59,960
middle with a big cross

8750
06:21:57,520 --> 06:22:01,240
and it's been there for 50 years or 60

8751
06:21:59,960 --> 06:22:02,200
or 75 years.

8752
06:22:01,240 --> 06:22:03,120
» But the whole neighborhood's called

8753
06:22:02,200 --> 06:22:05,880
Sarah Retreat.

8754
06:22:03,120 --> 06:22:07,800
» And but people refer to the neighborhood

8755
06:22:05,880 --> 06:22:09,760
as Sarah Retreat because that's the

8756
06:22:07,800 --> 06:22:12,080
common name for it.

8757
06:22:09,760 --> 06:22:14,760
We fixed that with our association by

8758
06:22:12,080 --> 06:22:17,360
calling it Sarah Canyon Property Owners

8759
06:22:14,760 --> 06:22:17,840
Association. So, we use the term Sarah

8760
06:22:17,360 --> 06:22:19,280
Canyon.

8761
06:22:17,840 --> 06:22:21,720
» And that's what I'm suggesting. Should

8762
06:22:19,280 --> 06:22:23,520
we make that distinction?

8763
06:22:21,720 --> 06:22:24,800
» I don't see why we need to

8764
06:22:23,520 --> 06:22:26,200
» I'm asking the question.

8765
06:22:24,800 --> 06:22:28,320
» This is though

8766
06:22:26,200 --> 06:22:30,200
I think we need to give Rob some

8767
06:22:28,320 --> 06:22:33,120
guidance on this issue.

8768
06:22:30,200 --> 06:22:36,800
Um if the city goes back to the water

8769
06:22:33,120 --> 06:22:38,800
board and says we we're not willing to

8770
06:22:36,800 --> 06:22:41,320
sacrifice these properties that are in

8771
06:22:38,800 --> 06:22:43,680
phase three to this

8772
06:22:41,320 --> 06:22:46,120
hybrid phase three.

8773
06:22:43,680 --> 06:22:48,120
Um and water board says, "Well, then

8774
06:22:46,120 --> 06:22:50,320
we're not agreeable to taking the Sarah

8775
06:22:48,120 --> 06:22:52,840
neighborhood properties out of phase

8776
06:22:50,320 --> 06:22:54,160
two, where do we go?"

8777
06:22:52,840 --> 06:22:56,440
That needs to I think we need to figure

8778
06:22:54,160 --> 06:22:57,880
that out up front, right?

8779
06:22:56,440 --> 06:23:00,520
» Sarah properties are out of phase two

8780
06:22:57,880 --> 06:23:01,880
that the the uh

8781
06:23:00,520 --> 06:23:03,520
cultural

8782
06:23:01,880 --> 06:23:05,640
things they found on Sarah Road has

8783
06:23:03,520 --> 06:23:07,240
moved them out of phase two. So,

8784
06:23:05,640 --> 06:23:08,840
» I know, but but the cost of moving them

8785
06:23:07,240 --> 06:23:10,760
out of phase two was to add these other

8786
06:23:08,840 --> 06:23:12,160
properties into this hybrid.

8787
06:23:10,760 --> 06:23:14,360
» I don't know how they figured their cost

8788
06:23:12,160 --> 06:23:16,080
out. I mean, they somebody just

8789
06:23:14,360 --> 06:23:17,440
they they were not in before, they

8790
06:23:16,080 --> 06:23:19,960
shouldn't be in now and I don't know why

8791
06:23:17,440 --> 06:23:21,920
they are.

8792
06:23:19,960 --> 06:23:24,880
» Is is is someone that's here from the

8793
06:23:21,920 --> 06:23:28,360
water board capable to address this?

8794
06:23:24,880 --> 06:23:28,360
Could you come up? Thank you.

8795
06:23:31,360 --> 06:23:34,920
How did those additional properties end

8796
06:23:32,880 --> 06:23:37,400
up getting flipped into a into this

8797
06:23:34,920 --> 06:23:39,720
preliminary group?

8798
06:23:37,400 --> 06:23:42,040
» Um

8799
06:23:39,720 --> 06:23:43,280
So, the reason I'm I'm not sure the

8800
06:23:42,040 --> 06:23:45,440
additional properties, are you talking

8801
06:23:43,280 --> 06:23:48,280
about the five properties in phase two?

8802
06:23:45,440 --> 06:23:49,360
» No, the ones that are in Sweetwater

8803
06:23:48,280 --> 06:23:50,920
Mesa.

8804
06:23:49,360 --> 06:23:53,560
» On the northeast corner.

8805
06:23:50,920 --> 06:23:55,720
» So, the the area labeled phase three

8806
06:23:53,560 --> 06:23:59,080
Sarah Retreat in the red outline or just

8807
06:23:55,720 --> 06:23:59,080
a small portion of those?

8808
06:24:00,000 --> 06:24:03,320
» So, those weren't Are you saying that

8809
06:24:01,480 --> 06:24:05,240
those properties Oh, I I came up to

8810
06:24:03,320 --> 06:24:07,080
answer a different question

8811
06:24:05,240 --> 06:24:08,240
um about the interim measures

8812
06:24:07,080 --> 06:24:09,880
requirement.

8813
06:24:08,240 --> 06:24:12,840
» Yeah, what what I understand we're being

8814
06:24:09,880 --> 06:24:16,120
told is that

8815
06:24:12,840 --> 06:24:18,280
phase the the the pure phase three,

8816
06:24:16,120 --> 06:24:20,200
forget before this was rejiggered, the

8817
06:24:18,280 --> 06:24:22,480
the pure phase three

8818
06:24:20,200 --> 06:24:25,560
um included certain properties that now

8819
06:24:22,480 --> 06:24:27,160
are in this hybrid phase three in at the

8820
06:24:25,560 --> 06:24:28,880
same time as other ones which were in

8821
06:24:27,160 --> 06:24:31,120
phase two are being moved into the

8822
06:24:28,880 --> 06:24:33,360
hybrid phase three at the same time. So,

8823
06:24:31,120 --> 06:24:35,240
the question is, why did additional

8824
06:24:33,360 --> 06:24:37,560
properties that were always in phase

8825
06:24:35,240 --> 06:24:41,720
three to begin with, why are they now in

8826
06:24:37,560 --> 06:24:41,720
the hybrid in the hybrid phase three?

8827
06:24:41,840 --> 06:24:44,880
» I'm sorry, I don't understand which

8828
06:24:43,280 --> 06:24:46,040
additional properties are now in phase

8829
06:24:44,880 --> 06:24:46,400
three that weren't in the phase three

8830
06:24:46,040 --> 06:24:48,320
before.

8831
06:24:46,400 --> 06:24:50,720
» Rob, could you explain that?

8832
06:24:48,320 --> 06:24:53,240
» So, yes, so so

8833
06:24:50,720 --> 06:24:55,480
I I so I believe a couple a couple of

8834
06:24:53,240 --> 06:24:56,720
things in here and then

8835
06:24:55,480 --> 06:24:59,640
um

8836
06:24:56,720 --> 06:25:01,360
when we first looked at the issue of the

8837
06:24:59,640 --> 06:25:03,960
cultural resources

8838
06:25:01,360 --> 06:25:05,120
and we looked at ways how we could kind

8839
06:25:03,960 --> 06:25:07,040
of

8840
06:25:05,120 --> 06:25:09,080
come up with solutions to still meet the

8841
06:25:07,040 --> 06:25:11,080
water quality objectives and and and

8842
06:25:09,080 --> 06:25:13,840
still meet the

8843
06:25:11,080 --> 06:25:15,680
the criteria to meet in the the nitrogen

8844
06:25:13,840 --> 06:25:18,600
and bacteria reduction.

8845
06:25:15,680 --> 06:25:21,640
We looked at first swapping out the same

8846
06:25:18,600 --> 06:25:23,800
flow from Sara Retreat over to those

8847
06:25:21,640 --> 06:25:26,120
properties on Malibu Road. So, you got

8848
06:25:23,800 --> 06:25:28,120
an equal flow, so we can meet those kind

8849
06:25:26,120 --> 06:25:30,400
of the flow requirement.

8850
06:25:28,120 --> 06:25:34,000
The second part was looking how we could

8851
06:25:30,400 --> 06:25:37,000
address Sara Retreat all as all as one

8852
06:25:34,000 --> 06:25:38,840
unit rather than split it up into into

8853
06:25:37,000 --> 06:25:40,160
two separate units

8854
06:25:38,840 --> 06:25:42,280
on

8855
06:25:40,160 --> 06:25:44,240
for Sweetwater Mesa and for Sara

8856
06:25:42,280 --> 06:25:45,840
Retreat. That was just something that we

8857
06:25:44,240 --> 06:25:47,360
just we

8858
06:25:45,840 --> 06:25:50,520
the city and the regional board put

8859
06:25:47,360 --> 06:25:52,360
together to look at a a way to

8860
06:25:50,520 --> 06:25:54,520
streamline this, make this a a little

8861
06:25:52,360 --> 06:25:57,880
bit cleaner and easier for

8862
06:25:54,520 --> 06:25:59,680
implementation down the road. So, if

8863
06:25:57,880 --> 06:26:02,240
council believes that and that we need

8864
06:25:59,680 --> 06:26:06,040
to go back to including the Sweetwater

8865
06:26:02,240 --> 06:26:08,000
Mesa section in in a standalone phase

8866
06:26:06,040 --> 06:26:09,200
three,

8867
06:26:08,000 --> 06:26:11,000
we can look at that and have the

8868
06:26:09,200 --> 06:26:12,720
discussion with the regional board.

8869
06:26:11,000 --> 06:26:13,800
» Okay, well, that makes sense. Since we

8870
06:26:12,720 --> 06:26:15,160
have Jenny here, what I'm trying to

8871
06:26:13,800 --> 06:26:16,880
understand is what what what their

8872
06:26:15,160 --> 06:26:18,560
likely response is going to be.

8873
06:26:16,880 --> 06:26:19,960
» Can you identify which properties we're

8874
06:26:18,560 --> 06:26:21,400
talking about for her?

8875
06:26:19,960 --> 06:26:24,200
» Well, hold on a second. Within one of

8876
06:26:21,400 --> 06:26:24,920
the questions, did the boundary change

8877
06:26:24,200 --> 06:26:26,200
for

8878
06:26:24,920 --> 06:26:28,240
phase three? Isn't that really the

8879
06:26:26,200 --> 06:26:29,800
issue?

8880
06:26:28,240 --> 06:26:31,800
Because you're talking about properties

8881
06:26:29,800 --> 06:26:33,560
being added.

8882
06:26:31,800 --> 06:26:34,800
Were they inside the boundary before or

8883
06:26:33,560 --> 06:26:36,280
not inside the boundary?

8884
06:26:34,800 --> 06:26:37,640
» What I'm hearing is they were always in

8885
06:26:36,280 --> 06:26:40,320
the boundary for phase three, but

8886
06:26:37,640 --> 06:26:41,840
they're now in the boundary of this

8887
06:26:40,320 --> 06:26:44,640
phase three, but which must do some

8888
06:26:41,840 --> 06:26:46,000
preliminary abatement process that isn't

8889
06:26:44,640 --> 06:26:47,080
otherwise necessary if

8890
06:26:46,000 --> 06:26:48,520
» If you're in phase two.

8891
06:26:47,080 --> 06:26:51,280
» They're in the upper northeast corner.

8892
06:26:48,520 --> 06:26:53,240
» Yeah. Yeah.

8893
06:26:51,280 --> 06:26:56,360
» I'm looking at the upper east corner

8894
06:26:53,240 --> 06:26:58,600
northeast corner of this map and it it's

8895
06:26:56,360 --> 06:26:59,840
all grouped together under phase three

8896
06:26:58,600 --> 06:27:00,720
Sara Retreat.

8897
06:26:59,840 --> 06:27:02,000
» Right.

8898
06:27:00,720 --> 06:27:03,600
» So, those

8899
06:27:02,000 --> 06:27:06,200
facilities used to be [clears throat] in

8900
06:27:03,600 --> 06:27:07,920
phase two.

8901
06:27:06,200 --> 06:27:09,920
» Jeff is saying that certain of them were

8902
06:27:07,920 --> 06:27:11,480
in phase three even though the rest of

8903
06:27:09,920 --> 06:27:12,960
it was phase two. I don't know whether

8904
06:27:11,480 --> 06:27:15,280
that's accurate, but

8905
06:27:12,960 --> 06:27:17,560
» Mayor, I I've got a little if you can

8906
06:27:15,280 --> 06:27:18,880
see on the screen there's a

8907
06:27:17,560 --> 06:27:21,440
marker.

8908
06:27:18,880 --> 06:27:25,000
I got it so

8909
06:27:21,440 --> 06:27:27,000
if I if I understand correctly it's

8910
06:27:25,000 --> 06:27:30,280
I'm going to do an outline of the

8911
06:27:27,000 --> 06:27:32,880
properties with that were in

8912
06:27:30,280 --> 06:27:34,920
the that was the that was the phase

8913
06:27:32,880 --> 06:27:37,240
three.

8914
06:27:34,920 --> 06:27:40,640
Over here on this side.

8915
06:27:37,240 --> 06:27:43,520
So all these Sweetwater Mesa properties

8916
06:27:40,640 --> 06:27:46,240
that were on the the east side.

8917
06:27:43,520 --> 06:27:49,440
» And was it a conscious determination to

8918
06:27:46,240 --> 06:27:51,080
subject them to the preliminary

8919
06:27:49,440 --> 06:27:53,040
things that need to be done or did it

8920
06:27:51,080 --> 06:27:57,280
just get done in the wash?

8921
06:27:53,040 --> 06:27:59,640
» It was done to to make this phase to

8922
06:27:57,280 --> 06:28:02,680
make this area treat just just more

8923
06:27:59,640 --> 06:28:03,960
concise more just just easier to kind of

8924
06:28:02,680 --> 06:28:05,600
implement

8925
06:28:03,960 --> 06:28:07,480
implement them together

8926
06:28:05,600 --> 06:28:08,480
and that was the only reason why we were

8927
06:28:07,480 --> 06:28:10,960
kind of discussing it.

8928
06:28:08,480 --> 06:28:13,160
» So Jenny, what I'm understanding is what

8929
06:28:10,960 --> 06:28:14,520
what Rob just outlined was always

8930
06:28:13,160 --> 06:28:16,360
purple.

8931
06:28:14,520 --> 06:28:18,720
To the right of that to the left of that

8932
06:28:16,360 --> 06:28:20,920
was was phase two.

8933
06:28:18,720 --> 06:28:22,920
That got shifted into phase three but

8934
06:28:20,920 --> 06:28:26,200
subject to this preliminary requirements

8935
06:28:22,920 --> 06:28:28,400
still but in doing that what was left to

8936
06:28:26,200 --> 06:28:30,720
the side which was always the pure phase

8937
06:28:28,400 --> 06:28:33,000
three now got shifted into this new

8938
06:28:30,720 --> 06:28:33,840
provision. Was that intentional? Is that

8939
06:28:33,000 --> 06:28:33,920
something that would have been in the

8940
06:28:33,840 --> 06:28:35,880
system?

8941
06:28:33,920 --> 06:28:38,040
» Yes, I I understand now. I

8942
06:28:35,880 --> 06:28:41,960
thank you for your indulgence and

8943
06:28:38,040 --> 06:28:43,840
explaining it to me and yes. The reason

8944
06:28:41,960 --> 06:28:45,640
that the properties all of the

8945
06:28:43,840 --> 06:28:49,080
properties

8946
06:28:45,640 --> 06:28:51,640
east of Malibu Creek were no longer

8947
06:28:49,080 --> 06:28:54,080
considered for phase two was because of

8948
06:28:51,640 --> 06:28:55,480
the discovery of the cultural resource.

8949
06:28:54,080 --> 06:28:58,560
And

8950
06:28:55,480 --> 06:29:01,800
so they

8951
06:28:58,560 --> 06:29:04,360
so they are all in phase three now. All

8952
06:29:01,800 --> 06:29:06,760
the properties to the east of Sara

8953
06:29:04,360 --> 06:29:09,080
Retreat because it's not possible to

8954
06:29:06,760 --> 06:29:11,440
connect them to

8955
06:29:09,080 --> 06:29:13,040
the wastewater treatment facility in

8956
06:29:11,440 --> 06:29:14,080
phase two.

8957
06:29:13,040 --> 06:29:14,920
» Right, but that's not the issue. The

8958
06:29:14,080 --> 06:29:16,680
issue

8959
06:29:14,920 --> 06:29:18,920
Yeah. The additional The ones that were

8960
06:29:16,680 --> 06:29:20,600
in phase three to begin with

8961
06:29:18,920 --> 06:29:21,880
might never have to do anything.

8962
06:29:20,600 --> 06:29:25,080
» Before

8963
06:29:21,880 --> 06:29:27,720
» But now, by virtue of them being called

8964
06:29:25,080 --> 06:29:30,360
the sewer retreat area, they're going to

8965
06:29:27,720 --> 06:29:31,680
have to do this preliminary abatement

8966
06:29:30,360 --> 06:29:32,440
work that they otherwise wouldn't have

8967
06:29:31,680 --> 06:29:34,360
had to do.

8968
06:29:32,440 --> 06:29:37,880
» I understand. We need to look at the

8969
06:29:34,360 --> 06:29:40,880
numbers, but that we could There is a

8970
06:29:37,880 --> 06:29:44,000
like a teal blue line outlined for area

8971
06:29:40,880 --> 06:29:46,240
two and one. We could consider drawing

8972
06:29:44,000 --> 06:29:48,800
that outline around those properties

8973
06:29:46,240 --> 06:29:50,440
that were originally in phase three.

8974
06:29:48,800 --> 06:29:52,240
» That seems fair to me if that if you'd

8975
06:29:50,440 --> 06:29:53,200
be willing to do that, that would work

8976
06:29:52,240 --> 06:29:54,560
for me.

8977
06:29:53,200 --> 06:29:56,800
» So, just

8978
06:29:54,560 --> 06:29:58,960
just one more thing. Um

8979
06:29:56,800 --> 06:29:59,880
and Jenny pointed out a good thing.

8980
06:29:58,960 --> 06:30:01,040
Um

8981
06:29:59,880 --> 06:30:03,600
» Oh.

8982
06:30:01,040 --> 06:30:06,400
» I mean, even if they're in phase three

8983
06:30:03,600 --> 06:30:08,880
in the in the the traditional phase

8984
06:30:06,400 --> 06:30:09,880
three, the same issue is going to comply

8985
06:30:08,880 --> 06:30:12,840
with

8986
06:30:09,880 --> 06:30:14,720
the issue of a pipeline in sewer retreat

8987
06:30:12,840 --> 06:30:16,480
and the cultural resources. So, Jenny

8988
06:30:14,720 --> 06:30:19,520
pointed out it's always going to be an

8989
06:30:16,480 --> 06:30:22,360
issue with doing a septic or sewer line

8990
06:30:19,520 --> 06:30:23,520
in that in that area. So, the reason

8991
06:30:22,360 --> 06:30:26,000
that we're

8992
06:30:23,520 --> 06:30:28,680
creating this phase three is to is to

8993
06:30:26,000 --> 06:30:30,280
potentially eliminate having to trench

8994
06:30:28,680 --> 06:30:33,200
and put a pipeline [clears throat]

8995
06:30:30,280 --> 06:30:34,920
and collection system through a very

8996
06:30:33,200 --> 06:30:36,840
sensitive cultural resource.

8997
06:30:34,920 --> 06:30:39,880
» I mean it.

8998
06:30:36,840 --> 06:30:42,960
» And if I may add, so the water board's

8999
06:30:39,880 --> 06:30:45,840
position is that the data will show that

9000
06:30:42,960 --> 06:30:47,640
phase three is needed. We do think that

9001
06:30:45,840 --> 06:30:49,240
that that this technically supported

9002
06:30:47,640 --> 06:30:51,240
that the septic systems are causing the

9003
06:30:49,240 --> 06:30:54,000
impairment in the lagoon and the and the

9004
06:30:51,240 --> 06:30:55,520
beach. And so, when that when So, from

9005
06:30:54,000 --> 06:30:57,440
our perspective, we think that phase

9006
06:30:55,520 --> 06:31:00,720
three will go forward, and these

9007
06:30:57,440 --> 06:31:03,760
properties being on the far east side of

9008
06:31:00,720 --> 06:31:05,960
this phase three sewer Retreat area may

9009
06:31:03,760 --> 06:31:07,520
have trouble with connecting because

9010
06:31:05,960 --> 06:31:10,320
that it put issue with the cultural

9011
06:31:07,520 --> 06:31:12,080
resource will always be there. So,

9012
06:31:10,320 --> 06:31:13,800
if uh um

9013
06:31:12,080 --> 06:31:15,920
they would be required to connect and

9014
06:31:13,800 --> 06:31:17,320
then there would be another prolonged

9015
06:31:15,920 --> 06:31:19,680
way to try and figure out how to connect

9016
06:31:17,320 --> 06:31:19,680
them.

9017
06:31:21,520 --> 06:31:28,960
» I'm I'm still not clear on why the ones

9018
06:31:25,000 --> 06:31:32,240
that are to the far right that were in

9019
06:31:28,960 --> 06:31:34,320
phase three to begin with are now

9020
06:31:32,240 --> 06:31:36,600
being moved up to doing something before

9021
06:31:34,320 --> 06:31:38,560
phase three comes into effect, if it

9022
06:31:36,600 --> 06:31:40,720
ever comes into effect.

9023
06:31:38,560 --> 06:31:42,960
» And then

9024
06:31:40,720 --> 06:31:45,600
so that was just done purely for

9025
06:31:42,960 --> 06:31:47,520
efficiency to make all of Sarah Retreat

9026
06:31:45,600 --> 06:31:48,480
have in the same requirement, knowing

9027
06:31:47,520 --> 06:31:49,680
that

9028
06:31:48,480 --> 06:31:53,720
that there were

9029
06:31:49,680 --> 06:31:55,520
probably never be a way to get a sewer

9030
06:31:53,720 --> 06:31:58,680
connection line or

9031
06:31:55,520 --> 06:32:02,760
a sewer system underground constructed

9032
06:31:58,680 --> 06:32:04,240
in that area. To offset that, let's

9033
06:32:02,760 --> 06:32:06,520
you know, we talked about maybe there's

9034
06:32:04,240 --> 06:32:09,600
a way we can just combine all of all in

9035
06:32:06,520 --> 06:32:12,400
one, make it efficient, and and make it

9036
06:32:09,600 --> 06:32:14,040
kind of easier to implement. But, if if

9037
06:32:12,400 --> 06:32:15,880
council thinks that's you know, you you

9038
06:32:14,040 --> 06:32:19,720
want to go back and include them in

9039
06:32:15,880 --> 06:32:22,320
phase three, the thing that I I would

9040
06:32:19,720 --> 06:32:24,720
kind of look look to and we'll work with

9041
06:32:22,320 --> 06:32:27,200
the regional board on this is that those

9042
06:32:24,720 --> 06:32:28,640
properties on the Sweetwater Mesa,

9043
06:32:27,200 --> 06:32:30,040
instead of

9044
06:32:28,640 --> 06:32:31,760
yeah, they'll still be tied to phase

9045
06:32:30,040 --> 06:32:32,800
three, that the trigger and effect, but

9046
06:32:31,760 --> 06:32:34,960
maybe

9047
06:32:32,800 --> 06:32:37,240
instead of solving a sewer line, they'll

9048
06:32:34,960 --> 06:32:38,560
have to do some type of septic upgrade,

9049
06:32:37,240 --> 06:32:41,120
like maybe what they'll have to do the

9050
06:32:38,560 --> 06:32:42,640
rather the rest of Sarah Retreat.

9051
06:32:41,120 --> 06:32:46,440
So, that's that's an option too that we

9052
06:32:42,640 --> 06:32:46,440
can discuss and talk about.

9053
06:32:46,520 --> 06:32:48,960
» If you're confused now, you should have

9054
06:32:47,720 --> 06:32:51,120
been here when they were originally

9055
06:32:48,960 --> 06:32:54,000
coming up with this plan. Everybody was

9056
06:32:51,120 --> 06:32:56,720
confused, and they still are. All right?

9057
06:32:54,000 --> 06:32:58,120
I mean, there It's best I can recall,

9058
06:32:56,720 --> 06:32:59,640
and I say it through every one of the

9059
06:32:58,120 --> 06:33:00,360
damn meetings, all right?

9060
06:32:59,640 --> 06:33:02,080
Uh

9061
06:33:00,360 --> 06:33:03,680
Sara Retreat.

9062
06:33:02,080 --> 06:33:05,480
They never did any testing in Sara

9063
06:33:03,680 --> 06:33:08,320
Retreat. Now

9064
06:33:05,480 --> 06:33:10,160
Sara Retreat tested their own wells

9065
06:33:08,320 --> 06:33:13,000
and found those wells were were had no

9066
06:33:10,160 --> 06:33:14,440
pollution in them whatsoever.

9067
06:33:13,000 --> 06:33:16,480
Regional board didn't do anything. They

9068
06:33:14,440 --> 06:33:19,000
just said you got to hook up.

9069
06:33:16,480 --> 06:33:20,400
I live up on the knolls. If I pee today,

9070
06:33:19,000 --> 06:33:23,440
I'll be dead before all of that stuff

9071
06:33:20,400 --> 06:33:25,720
hits the ocean, all right? I mean

9072
06:33:23,440 --> 06:33:27,320
this it's back to what

9073
06:33:25,720 --> 06:33:29,480
Danny was saying

9074
06:33:27,320 --> 06:33:30,960
uh

9075
06:33:29,480 --> 06:33:31,760
» Okay, but we're we're we're not here to

9076
06:33:30,960 --> 06:33:33,400
re-tread all this stuff.

9077
06:33:31,760 --> 06:33:34,680
» Well, yeah, I know, but I re-tread it

9078
06:33:33,400 --> 06:33:36,880
every time I have to go through this

9079
06:33:34,680 --> 06:33:39,680
stuff because this this was

9080
06:33:36,880 --> 06:33:42,800
it it it was done

9081
06:33:39,680 --> 06:33:44,720
again. And nobody was was the pollution

9082
06:33:42,800 --> 06:33:46,240
coming down the creek? Don't know.

9083
06:33:44,720 --> 06:33:48,760
Nobody tested it.

9084
06:33:46,240 --> 06:33:50,320
Uh so it's just just

9085
06:33:48,760 --> 06:33:52,080
I see where you're confused cuz we're

9086
06:33:50,320 --> 06:33:54,080
all confused when this thing started

9087
06:33:52,080 --> 06:33:56,360
out, and we still are.

9088
06:33:54,080 --> 06:33:58,920
» Mary, did you say something about

9089
06:33:56,360 --> 06:34:02,600
» Well, so looking at this map, I'm a

9090
06:33:58,920 --> 06:34:04,160
little confused. Um the color

9091
06:34:02,600 --> 06:34:06,200
So along Pacific Coast Highway over the

9092
06:34:04,160 --> 06:34:07,840
bridge

9093
06:34:06,200 --> 06:34:11,680
and

9094
06:34:07,840 --> 06:34:11,680
there are some properties

9095
06:34:12,040 --> 06:34:16,080
I'm trying to figure out. So

9096
06:34:14,120 --> 06:34:18,240
the

9097
06:34:16,080 --> 06:34:21,000
blue line that's surrounding the purple

9098
06:34:18,240 --> 06:34:22,360
shaded area, which is Surf Rider, the

9099
06:34:21,000 --> 06:34:23,880
pier

9100
06:34:22,360 --> 06:34:25,480
and the restaurants that are along

9101
06:34:23,880 --> 06:34:27,640
those.

9102
06:34:25,480 --> 06:34:29,240
There's no connection, right? I'm not

9103
06:34:27,640 --> 06:34:31,000
I'm just seeing a phantom line across

9104
06:34:29,240 --> 06:34:34,800
the bridge?

9105
06:34:31,000 --> 06:34:38,480
» Um you're you're talking about um

9106
06:34:34,800 --> 06:34:38,840
history area one, right?

9107
06:34:38,480 --> 06:34:39,520
» Yes.

9108
06:34:38,840 --> 06:34:40,840
» Yes.

9109
06:34:39,520 --> 06:34:42,400
» Yes.

9110
06:34:40,840 --> 06:34:44,800
Yeah, there are there is no line. There

9111
06:34:42,400 --> 06:34:47,720
is just it shows just the properties

9112
06:34:44,800 --> 06:34:50,120
» No clean line that continues

9113
06:34:47,720 --> 06:34:51,040
along Pacific Coast Highway and hits

9114
06:34:50,120 --> 06:34:51,600
Jack in the Box.

9115
06:34:51,040 --> 06:34:54,240
» Uh

9116
06:34:51,600 --> 06:34:56,440
it it just, it just, it just circles

9117
06:34:54,240 --> 06:34:59,560
around the properties. You might see

9118
06:34:56,440 --> 06:35:02,040
that there is a like a gap which

9119
06:34:59,560 --> 06:35:03,920
on the Pacific Coast Highway itself, but

9120
06:35:02,040 --> 06:35:06,560
yeah, it includes the properties on the

9121
06:35:03,920 --> 06:35:07,640
south side and the north side of PCH.

9122
06:35:06,560 --> 06:35:09,760
» Okay.

9123
06:35:07,640 --> 06:35:12,000
Um

9124
06:35:09,760 --> 06:35:14,200
So, essentially everything that's in

9125
06:35:12,000 --> 06:35:16,440
Phase 3 Sarah

9126
06:35:14,200 --> 06:35:19,040
Property Owners Association is going to

9127
06:35:16,440 --> 06:35:23,560
be subject subject to upgrading their

9128
06:35:19,040 --> 06:35:24,480
septics from traditional to alternative

9129
06:35:23,560 --> 06:35:26,360
regardless.

9130
06:35:24,480 --> 06:35:26,680
» Based Yes, based on the feasibility

9131
06:35:26,360 --> 06:35:28,760
study.

9132
06:35:26,680 --> 06:35:30,560
» With no proof whatsoever that they're

9133
06:35:28,760 --> 06:35:32,560
polluting.

9134
06:35:30,560 --> 06:35:36,200
» I All you need to do All we need to do

9135
06:35:32,560 --> 06:35:41,120
here is move the border of Phase 3 Sarah

9136
06:35:36,200 --> 06:35:43,520
Retreat to the left and leave the

9137
06:35:41,120 --> 06:35:45,840
remaining part of it as it always was as

9138
06:35:43,520 --> 06:35:46,480
pure Phase 3.

9139
06:35:45,840 --> 06:35:48,280
» Yeah.

9140
06:35:46,480 --> 06:35:50,000
» That requires the water board agreeing

9141
06:35:48,280 --> 06:35:51,280
to that. That's all. I mean, I I don't

9142
06:35:50,000 --> 06:35:52,560
know whether that's going to be

9143
06:35:51,280 --> 06:35:53,760
something they'll be willing to do or

9144
06:35:52,560 --> 06:35:55,120
not. And if they're not willing My

9145
06:35:53,760 --> 06:35:56,360
question is if they're not willing to do

9146
06:35:55,120 --> 06:35:58,320
it, where we're going to Where are we

9147
06:35:56,360 --> 06:36:00,960
going? Are we still Do we want to just

9148
06:35:58,320 --> 06:36:02,600
live with the existing MOU?

9149
06:36:00,960 --> 06:36:05,920
Which does Which sounds like we can't

9150
06:36:02,600 --> 06:36:07,520
because of the cultural resources.

9151
06:36:05,920 --> 06:36:10,120
» And And Mayor,

9152
06:36:07,520 --> 06:36:12,320
um I I think it's

9153
06:36:10,120 --> 06:36:15,600
I I think it's just a matter of timing

9154
06:36:12,320 --> 06:36:19,240
that if if we keep that the old Phase 3

9155
06:36:15,600 --> 06:36:22,000
in Phase 3 and um

9156
06:36:19,240 --> 06:36:24,920
they'll still be

9157
06:36:22,000 --> 06:36:26,280
potentially applicable for the

9158
06:36:24,920 --> 06:36:27,560
feasibility study. Maybe they'll have

9159
06:36:26,280 --> 06:36:30,040
they'll have to upgrade their septic

9160
06:36:27,560 --> 06:36:32,640
system, but it it it'll all be dependent

9161
06:36:30,040 --> 06:36:33,720
upon the triggering effect on Phase 3 if

9162
06:36:32,640 --> 06:36:36,440
they have to or not.

9163
06:36:33,720 --> 06:36:39,080
» No, no, the way it is right now, if

9164
06:36:36,440 --> 06:36:41,800
Phase if if the testing doesn't show the

9165
06:36:39,080 --> 06:36:43,720
need to proceed with Phase 3, then the

9166
06:36:41,800 --> 06:36:45,520
part that is the traditional original

9167
06:36:43,720 --> 06:36:47,480
Phase 3 doesn't have to do anything

9168
06:36:45,520 --> 06:36:48,600
either in connection with Phase 3 or

9169
06:36:47,480 --> 06:36:49,320
before phase three.

9170
06:36:48,600 --> 06:36:51,720
» Correct.

9171
06:36:49,320 --> 06:36:54,040
» And if the test and and that'll be the

9172
06:36:51,720 --> 06:36:56,440
same And and okay, so in the Sarah

9173
06:36:54,040 --> 06:36:58,880
Retreat area, which was phase two, which

9174
06:36:56,440 --> 06:37:00,560
would now have to do go forward, won't

9175
06:36:58,880 --> 06:37:02,600
have to go forward unless phase three's

9176
06:37:00,560 --> 06:37:05,000
required, but they are still required to

9177
06:37:02,600 --> 06:37:07,080
do something else anyway that wasn't

9178
06:37:05,000 --> 06:37:08,800
there before.

9179
06:37:07,080 --> 06:37:10,920
But that additional requirement is now

9180
06:37:08,800 --> 06:37:13,000
being imposed on the Sweetwater Mesa

9181
06:37:10,920 --> 06:37:14,480
area, which wasn't there before. So,

9182
06:37:13,000 --> 06:37:16,840
they're now going to be subjected to

9183
06:37:14,480 --> 06:37:19,000
this additional burden that they didn't

9184
06:37:16,840 --> 06:37:20,400
have before. And if phase three doesn't

9185
06:37:19,000 --> 06:37:21,480
go forward, they will have had to have

9186
06:37:20,400 --> 06:37:23,160
lived with that even though they

9187
06:37:21,480 --> 06:37:25,080
otherwise would have been excused from

9188
06:37:23,160 --> 06:37:25,200
anything. That does not seem right to

9189
06:37:25,080 --> 06:37:27,760
you.

9190
06:37:25,200 --> 06:37:28,720
» What what what what I'm saying is

9191
06:37:27,760 --> 06:37:30,640
I I

9192
06:37:28,720 --> 06:37:32,600
you know, I think I'm agreeing with you.

9193
06:37:30,640 --> 06:37:35,520
And it's just a matter of just kind of

9194
06:37:32,600 --> 06:37:37,560
redrawing that section in phase three

9195
06:37:35,520 --> 06:37:40,920
and putting some requirements in there

9196
06:37:37,560 --> 06:37:43,000
that are similar to to make sure that

9197
06:37:40,920 --> 06:37:45,800
there's

9198
06:37:43,000 --> 06:37:47,640
there's a method to if it has to go

9199
06:37:45,800 --> 06:37:49,400
through, this is this is how they're

9200
06:37:47,640 --> 06:37:50,640
going to do it.

9201
06:37:49,400 --> 06:37:52,360
Because

9202
06:37:50,640 --> 06:37:54,240
because originally they had a sewer line

9203
06:37:52,360 --> 06:37:56,000
going through their property

9204
06:37:54,240 --> 06:37:57,000
to the to the streets and there's no way

9205
06:37:56,000 --> 06:37:58,920
of

9206
06:37:57,000 --> 06:38:00,560
putting a sewer line in Sarah Retreat

9207
06:37:58,920 --> 06:38:03,000
with without disturbing the cultural

9208
06:38:00,560 --> 06:38:04,680
resource. So, that's why all those

9209
06:38:03,000 --> 06:38:06,000
properties in Sarah Retreat are going to

9210
06:38:04,680 --> 06:38:07,320
look at

9211
06:38:06,000 --> 06:38:09,880
um

9212
06:38:07,320 --> 06:38:11,840
feasibly study to see how what they can

9213
06:38:09,880 --> 06:38:13,200
do like like upgrade their septic

9214
06:38:11,840 --> 06:38:14,680
systems.

9215
06:38:13,200 --> 06:38:15,200
» Does that include the Sweetwater Mesa

9216
06:38:14,680 --> 06:38:16,640
property?

9217
06:38:15,200 --> 06:38:17,800
» Correct. Correct.

9218
06:38:16,640 --> 06:38:18,240
» They won't be able to get a sewer line

9219
06:38:17,800 --> 06:38:20,720
either?

9220
06:38:18,240 --> 06:38:20,720
» Correct.

9221
06:38:21,960 --> 06:38:29,200
Sweetwater Mesa comes off of Sarah Road.

9222
06:38:26,440 --> 06:38:30,600
» There's a big mountain there. They

9223
06:38:29,200 --> 06:38:32,000
How are they going to get a sewer line

9224
06:38:30,600 --> 06:38:34,800
anyway?

9225
06:38:32,000 --> 06:38:34,800
Pump stations?

9226
06:38:35,360 --> 06:38:40,480
It's a It's a significant

9227
06:38:37,920 --> 06:38:40,480
» Potentially.

9228
06:38:40,800 --> 06:38:46,440
» Rob, wouldn't it be better just to,

9229
06:38:43,080 --> 06:38:48,960
uh, take phase three and have area three

9230
06:38:46,440 --> 06:38:50,280
and area four?

9231
06:38:48,960 --> 06:38:51,960
» That's That's essentially what I'm

9232
06:38:50,280 --> 06:38:53,680
saying.

9233
06:38:51,960 --> 06:38:56,960
» That That solves the problem. Area four

9234
06:38:53,680 --> 06:38:57,960
becomes the old phase three.

9235
06:38:56,960 --> 06:39:01,280
And

9236
06:38:57,960 --> 06:39:02,640
phase three area three is the one that's

9237
06:39:01,280 --> 06:39:04,560
subject to the testing.

9238
06:39:02,640 --> 06:39:05,560
» Correct.

9239
06:39:04,560 --> 06:39:07,040
» That solves it.

9240
06:39:05,560 --> 06:39:09,600
» Yep.

9241
06:39:07,040 --> 06:39:12,880
» And so I have clarity, we don't even

9242
06:39:09,600 --> 06:39:15,840
know if the bacteria is being caused by

9243
06:39:12,880 --> 06:39:15,840
the septics.

9244
06:39:16,200 --> 06:39:21,400
And we're doing all of this.

9245
06:39:19,840 --> 06:39:22,840
Yeah.

9246
06:39:21,400 --> 06:39:25,240
» Yes, the water board has found that

9247
06:39:22,840 --> 06:39:27,800
these systems are a source of are are

9248
06:39:25,240 --> 06:39:30,200
are source of bacteria and and nitrogen

9249
06:39:27,800 --> 06:39:30,920
to the lagoon and to the beach.

9250
06:39:30,200 --> 06:39:33,360
» That out?

9251
06:39:30,920 --> 06:39:36,760
» Through the TMDL, through subsequent,

9252
06:39:33,360 --> 06:39:39,280
um, modeling and monitoring efforts and

9253
06:39:36,760 --> 06:39:41,680
through the, um,

9254
06:39:39,280 --> 06:39:44,040
the the prohibition and the technical,

9255
06:39:41,680 --> 06:39:45,440
uh, support for that. But that's that's,

9256
06:39:44,040 --> 06:39:47,520
you know, like as pointed out, that was

9257
06:39:45,440 --> 06:39:49,240
that was old and there's been subsequent

9258
06:39:47,520 --> 06:39:52,280
studies to,

9259
06:39:49,240 --> 06:39:54,920
um, to affirm the the linkage between

9260
06:39:52,280 --> 06:39:56,000
the septic systems and the bacteria.

9261
06:39:54,920 --> 06:39:57,600
» We've never seen those studies.

9262
06:39:56,000 --> 06:40:01,080
» I'd love to see them. Well, have they

9263
06:39:57,600 --> 06:40:04,440
been proven that they're human-based

9264
06:40:01,080 --> 06:40:05,360
biological and nitrogen sources or is it

9265
06:40:04,440 --> 06:40:06,240
» Bird?

9266
06:40:05,360 --> 06:40:09,720
» Right.

9267
06:40:06,240 --> 06:40:12,920
» Um, there's there's both kinds. Mostly

9268
06:40:09,720 --> 06:40:14,880
it Most of the information is of the

9269
06:40:12,920 --> 06:40:16,480
indicator bacteria, which don't

9270
06:40:14,880 --> 06:40:18,840
distinguish between human animal, but

9271
06:40:16,480 --> 06:40:20,440
there is some, um,

9272
06:40:18,840 --> 06:40:22,920
human, uh,

9273
06:40:20,440 --> 06:40:24,720
human source, uh, studies, but they're

9274
06:40:22,920 --> 06:40:25,800
they're much smaller. Yeah.

9275
06:40:24,720 --> 06:40:28,400
» Can we get those studies that

9276
06:40:25,800 --> 06:40:29,640
demonstrate that you talked about there?

9277
06:40:28,400 --> 06:40:32,440
Are they available?

9278
06:40:29,640 --> 06:40:36,800
» Sure. One of them is the, um, the the

9279
06:40:32,440 --> 06:40:39,440
city's, um, you know, defining of the

9280
06:40:36,800 --> 06:40:40,600
the the Stone Environmental Report and

9281
06:40:39,440 --> 06:40:43,480
the

9282
06:40:40,600 --> 06:40:46,520
the that were done in in in response to

9283
06:40:43,480 --> 06:40:48,840
the TMDL to define the contributing area

9284
06:40:46,520 --> 06:40:50,320
of this the septic systems. We can send

9285
06:40:48,840 --> 06:40:51,200
that to you.

9286
06:40:50,320 --> 06:40:53,040
» Yeah, look guys.

9287
06:40:51,200 --> 06:40:55,800
» Yeah, look notwithstanding Danny's great

9288
06:40:53,040 --> 06:40:57,880
advocacy and if we were back 15 years

9289
06:40:55,800 --> 06:41:00,240
ago what we would do today, we can't

9290
06:40:57,880 --> 06:41:01,720
relitigate this. We have a contract.

9291
06:41:00,240 --> 06:41:02,680
We need to go forward with our contract

9292
06:41:01,720 --> 06:41:03,760
and what changes are going to be

9293
06:41:02,680 --> 06:41:05,160
» What changes are going to be made. I

9294
06:41:03,760 --> 06:41:06,440
don't think it matters if we relitigate.

9295
06:41:05,160 --> 06:41:07,720
I don't think we're Look, they've got to

9296
06:41:06,440 --> 06:41:09,200
prove If you don't do what they want,

9297
06:41:07,720 --> 06:41:10,440
they're going to find you 10,000 bucks a

9298
06:41:09,200 --> 06:41:11,400
day.

9299
06:41:10,440 --> 06:41:13,160
Right?

9300
06:41:11,400 --> 06:41:14,840
» Well, we have an agreement on what work

9301
06:41:13,160 --> 06:41:16,320
on what on how to solve that problem.

9302
06:41:14,840 --> 06:41:17,600
» I'm saying that that was that was the

9303
06:41:16,320 --> 06:41:19,000
threat they gave everybody. If you

9304
06:41:17,600 --> 06:41:20,360
didn't look out

9305
06:41:19,000 --> 06:41:22,680
1,000 bucks a day or 10, I can't

9306
06:41:20,360 --> 06:41:24,760
remember what the number was.

9307
06:41:22,680 --> 06:41:27,920
» It depends on the violation, but this

9308
06:41:24,760 --> 06:41:30,000
would you would need to if the

9309
06:41:27,920 --> 06:41:31,320
if the agreement went away, the board

9310
06:41:30,000 --> 06:41:31,840
could exercise its authority.

9311
06:41:31,320 --> 06:41:33,160
» Exactly.

9312
06:41:31,840 --> 06:41:34,720
» Essentially to require advanced

9313
06:41:33,160 --> 06:41:35,000
treatment systems for all of these.

9314
06:41:34,720 --> 06:41:37,120
» Right.

9315
06:41:35,000 --> 06:41:39,200
» But we think it's better for everyone to

9316
06:41:37,120 --> 06:41:41,280
do centralized wastewater treatment

9317
06:41:39,200 --> 06:41:43,240
package treatment plants.

9318
06:41:41,280 --> 06:41:46,000
Keep local control with

9319
06:41:43,240 --> 06:41:47,600
» I agreed. I I would love to see

9320
06:41:46,000 --> 06:41:49,800
clean water in the ocean and in the

9321
06:41:47,600 --> 06:41:52,120
creek. I got no problem with that stuff.

9322
06:41:49,800 --> 06:41:53,800
I I got a concern of the way I was doing

9323
06:41:52,120 --> 06:41:56,440
this. I mean, if I go to this the thing

9324
06:41:53,800 --> 06:41:57,960
you got phase two for for Sarah Retreat.

9325
06:41:56,440 --> 06:42:00,000
During phase two, it's essentially

9326
06:41:57,960 --> 06:42:02,160
required properties in the Sarah Retreat

9327
06:42:00,000 --> 06:42:04,120
area shown through the color to

9328
06:42:02,160 --> 06:42:06,400
implement interim measures to reduce

9329
06:42:04,120 --> 06:42:07,680
nitrogen and bacteria loading prior to

9330
06:42:06,400 --> 06:42:09,120
the start.

9331
06:42:07,680 --> 06:42:10,720
What are you going to reduce it from?

9332
06:42:09,120 --> 06:42:11,680
What What was the baseline you started

9333
06:42:10,720 --> 06:42:13,000
with? So, how are you going to know if

9334
06:42:11,680 --> 06:42:14,960
you reduced it?

9335
06:42:13,000 --> 06:42:17,240
» The city's been conducting monitoring

9336
06:42:14,960 --> 06:42:18,360
under the MOU to establish the baseline.

9337
06:42:17,240 --> 06:42:19,560
» But they've they've been doing

9338
06:42:18,360 --> 06:42:21,960
monitoring of

9339
06:42:19,560 --> 06:42:24,200
bacteria from Sarah Retreat?

9340
06:42:21,960 --> 06:42:26,000
» And there's a specific that that's not

9341
06:42:24,200 --> 06:42:27,720
where the the trigger is triggered.

9342
06:42:26,000 --> 06:42:29,440
There's specific sites that everyone

9343
06:42:27,720 --> 06:42:30,120
agreed on in the lagoon and along the

9344
06:42:29,440 --> 06:42:31,680
beach.

9345
06:42:30,120 --> 06:42:33,560
» Okay, I'm I'm not saying that, but this

9346
06:42:31,680 --> 06:42:36,000
thing here that you got to reduce your

9347
06:42:33,560 --> 06:42:38,200
nitrogen and bacteria coming from Sara

9348
06:42:36,000 --> 06:42:40,440
Retreat, Sara Canyon.

9349
06:42:38,200 --> 06:42:41,760
So, what what is the baseline that

9350
06:42:40,440 --> 06:42:43,360
you're going to use to say here's where

9351
06:42:41,760 --> 06:42:45,280
it is today and here's how I'm going to

9352
06:42:43,360 --> 06:42:47,280
tell know if we reduced it.

9353
06:42:45,280 --> 06:42:48,040
» That's not part of the MOU. The baseline

9354
06:42:47,280 --> 06:42:49,720
is established

9355
06:42:48,040 --> 06:42:51,680
» It says it says page 40. That's exactly

9356
06:42:49,720 --> 06:42:52,880
what it says.

9357
06:42:51,680 --> 06:42:54,840
I mean, that's what I'm reading.

9358
06:42:52,880 --> 06:42:56,000
» It says from Sara Retreat.

9359
06:42:54,840 --> 06:42:57,440
» Yeah.

9360
06:42:56,000 --> 06:42:57,720
» Yeah.

9361
06:42:57,440 --> 06:42:59,200
» Okay.

9362
06:42:57,720 --> 06:43:01,320
» During phase two, the city shall require

9363
06:42:59,200 --> 06:43:03,040
properties in the Sara Retreat area

9364
06:43:01,320 --> 06:43:05,160
shown within the red colored outline in

9365
06:43:03,040 --> 06:43:07,000
exhibit A to implement interim measures

9366
06:43:05,160 --> 06:43:09,440
to reduce nitrogen and bacteria loadings

9367
06:43:07,000 --> 06:43:10,360
prior to the start of phase three.

9368
06:43:09,440 --> 06:43:10,880
» That's got nothing to do with the

9369
06:43:10,360 --> 06:43:11,720
baseline.

9370
06:43:10,880 --> 06:43:12,440
» Yeah, that has nothing to do with the

9371
06:43:11,720 --> 06:43:13,560
test.

9372
06:43:12,440 --> 06:43:14,120
» How are you going to know if you reduce

9373
06:43:13,560 --> 06:43:15,080
it if you don't know where you're

9374
06:43:14,120 --> 06:43:17,080
starting from?

9375
06:43:15,080 --> 06:43:18,720
» The baseline is established in the

9376
06:43:17,080 --> 06:43:21,040
lagoon and the beach. That's where the

9377
06:43:18,720 --> 06:43:24,160
baseline. And and it's saying if if

9378
06:43:21,040 --> 06:43:26,720
after you implement phase two, if if

9379
06:43:24,160 --> 06:43:30,400
that if the reductions aren't seen in

9380
06:43:26,720 --> 06:43:32,280
the lagoon and at the beach, then then

9381
06:43:30,400 --> 06:43:33,680
we were wrong. The water board was wrong

9382
06:43:32,280 --> 06:43:35,240
and there was no

9383
06:43:33,680 --> 06:43:35,960
» Phase. This They got to do this during

9384
06:43:35,240 --> 06:43:37,120
phase two.

9385
06:43:35,960 --> 06:43:38,640
» Yeah.

9386
06:43:37,120 --> 06:43:40,400
» In Sara Canyon.

9387
06:43:38,640 --> 06:43:41,880
» You're mixing apples and oranges.

9388
06:43:40,400 --> 06:43:43,120
» No, I'm not. I'm

9389
06:43:41,880 --> 06:43:45,080
I know exactly what I'm mixing.

9390
06:43:43,120 --> 06:43:46,840
» The The testing for determining whether

9391
06:43:45,080 --> 06:43:48,560
phase three goes forward or not is in

9392
06:43:46,840 --> 06:43:50,800
the two locations that she just

9393
06:43:48,560 --> 06:43:53,120
identified. Separate and apart from

9394
06:43:50,800 --> 06:43:55,480
that, the properties that were in phase

9395
06:43:53,120 --> 06:43:57,880
two before that are being moved into

9396
06:43:55,480 --> 06:44:00,280
phase three are going to be subjected to

9397
06:43:57,880 --> 06:44:01,680
a requirement that they reduce their

9398
06:44:00,280 --> 06:44:02,320
specific

9399
06:44:01,680 --> 06:44:03,800
um

9400
06:44:02,320 --> 06:44:04,960
outflow.

9401
06:44:03,800 --> 06:44:06,080
That's what that other provision is.

9402
06:44:04,960 --> 06:44:07,400
Nothing to do with the baseline. It's

9403
06:44:06,080 --> 06:44:08,640
got nothing to do with the lagoon.

9404
06:44:07,400 --> 06:44:10,240
They're required to

9405
06:44:08,640 --> 06:44:11,560
» I didn't say anything. I'm I'm just

9406
06:44:10,240 --> 06:44:13,640
going to I'm just trying to understand.

9407
06:44:11,560 --> 06:44:15,280
If I live in Sara Canyon and I've been

9408
06:44:13,640 --> 06:44:16,600
told I got to reduce my nitrogen, what

9409
06:44:15,280 --> 06:44:17,560
am I reducing it from?

9410
06:44:16,600 --> 06:44:18,320
» Whatever it is now.

9411
06:44:17,560 --> 06:44:18,880
» How do you know what it [clears throat]

9412
06:44:18,320 --> 06:44:21,000
is now?

9413
06:44:18,880 --> 06:44:23,000
» Yours. You've got to change yours.

9414
06:44:21,000 --> 06:44:23,760
Yours. You've got to upgrade your

9415
06:44:23,000 --> 06:44:24,840
system.

9416
06:44:23,760 --> 06:44:26,120
» How do you know it's producing any

9417
06:44:24,840 --> 06:44:26,400
nitrogen and bacteria? How how know

9418
06:44:26,120 --> 06:44:28,280
that?

9419
06:44:26,400 --> 06:44:30,160
» That's not the deal. We've already let

9420
06:44:28,280 --> 06:44:31,600
» Yeah, I'm I'm just I said this this is

9421
06:44:30,160 --> 06:44:32,520
the same thing we went through before. I

9422
06:44:31,600 --> 06:44:33,400
mean this this is

9423
06:44:32,520 --> 06:44:34,160
» Let's look at this one.

9424
06:44:33,400 --> 06:44:36,200
» A little bit crazy.

9425
06:44:34,160 --> 06:44:38,080
» This this was whether it was litigated

9426
06:44:36,200 --> 06:44:38,600
or not has been resolved.

9427
06:44:38,080 --> 06:44:40,040
» Yeah.

9428
06:44:38,600 --> 06:44:41,640
» And now we're talking about how we put

9429
06:44:40,040 --> 06:44:43,720
together the settlement agreement. I

9430
06:44:41,640 --> 06:44:46,920
think the solution for the people that

9431
06:44:43,720 --> 06:44:49,760
are in old three

9432
06:44:46,920 --> 06:44:52,000
is to bifurcate it as we just said.

9433
06:44:49,760 --> 06:44:54,680
There becomes a new area

9434
06:44:52,000 --> 06:44:56,840
phase three area three

9435
06:44:54,680 --> 06:45:00,480
and there's area four.

9436
06:44:56,840 --> 06:45:02,000
Area four is exempt from this.

9437
06:45:00,480 --> 06:45:03,720
Uh

9438
06:45:02,000 --> 06:45:05,520
in our this

9439
06:45:03,720 --> 06:45:07,680
call it interim step.

9440
06:45:05,520 --> 06:45:09,560
And only if that is sewer is required do

9441
06:45:07,680 --> 06:45:11,800
they have to come into the sewer system.

9442
06:45:09,560 --> 06:45:14,320
Is that correct, Ron?

9443
06:45:11,800 --> 06:45:15,640
» I I'm I mean I would

9444
06:45:14,320 --> 06:45:18,800
not say that they would have to come

9445
06:45:15,640 --> 06:45:20,440
into the sewer system because once again

9446
06:45:18,800 --> 06:45:23,640
the only way to get a sewer line up into

9447
06:45:20,440 --> 06:45:25,080
into Sweetwater Mesa is Sarah Road.

9448
06:45:23,640 --> 06:45:27,440
That's where the cultural resources and

9449
06:45:25,080 --> 06:45:31,440
that's where the pipeline is. So, those

9450
06:45:27,440 --> 06:45:33,440
properties in the old three which isn't

9451
06:45:31,440 --> 06:45:35,800
Sweetwater Mesa probably would have to

9452
06:45:33,440 --> 06:45:37,280
go through and do the same thing as

9453
06:45:35,800 --> 06:45:39,360
Sarah Retreat would do is just upgrade

9454
06:45:37,280 --> 06:45:40,280
their septic systems or do package

9455
06:45:39,360 --> 06:45:42,920
plants.

9456
06:45:40,280 --> 06:45:46,320
» Okay, but we can we can define

9457
06:45:42,920 --> 06:45:47,200
area three and area four as two separate

9458
06:45:46,320 --> 06:45:47,760
areas

9459
06:45:47,200 --> 06:45:48,360
» Correct.

9460
06:45:47,760 --> 06:45:49,000
» Duties.

9461
06:45:48,360 --> 06:45:50,560
» Correct.

9462
06:45:49,000 --> 06:45:52,760
» I think that's the that's really the

9463
06:45:50,560 --> 06:45:53,560
request that the council is pivoting on

9464
06:45:52,760 --> 06:45:53,960
at the moment.

9465
06:45:53,560 --> 06:45:55,040
» Yep.

9466
06:45:53,960 --> 06:45:56,200
» Uh and if

9467
06:45:55,040 --> 06:45:57,800
» We can

9468
06:45:56,200 --> 06:45:59,760
define that, I think we can get a

9469
06:45:57,800 --> 06:46:00,760
resolution here to get your approval.

9470
06:45:59,760 --> 06:46:02,640
» But But that's why I wanted to come

9471
06:46:00,760 --> 06:46:04,480
back. Jenny, that's why I was asking

9472
06:46:02,640 --> 06:46:06,800
where do you think you're likely to come

9473
06:46:04,480 --> 06:46:08,680
out on that? Are you are you willing to

9474
06:46:06,800 --> 06:46:10,760
let the ones that were in phase three to

9475
06:46:08,680 --> 06:46:12,240
begin with stay in pure phase three?

9476
06:46:10,760 --> 06:46:13,640
They won't have to upgrade their systems

9477
06:46:12,240 --> 06:46:16,000
unless we have to go forward with phase

9478
06:46:13,640 --> 06:46:16,000
three.

9479
06:46:16,080 --> 06:46:20,040
» Preliminary, I think we would. We need

9480
06:46:18,160 --> 06:46:22,120
to get together with the stakeholder

9481
06:46:20,040 --> 06:46:24,800
group that we formed when we were

9482
06:46:22,120 --> 06:46:26,120
negotiating this amendment. So, we won't

9483
06:46:24,800 --> 06:46:30,320
be able to bring this to our board in

9484
06:46:26,120 --> 06:46:32,160
July. But, um we we and we need to check

9485
06:46:30,320 --> 06:46:34,040
the math to make sure that our

9486
06:46:32,160 --> 06:46:37,320
assumptions about the triggers still

9487
06:46:34,040 --> 06:46:39,880
holds cuz we want the agreement to

9488
06:46:37,320 --> 06:46:42,960
work for the water board as well.

9489
06:46:39,880 --> 06:46:44,120
Um but, it seems like it could work.

9490
06:46:42,960 --> 06:46:46,520
There is

9491
06:46:44,120 --> 06:46:47,760
maybe the timing issue at the end.

9492
06:46:46,520 --> 06:46:49,240
Would

9493
06:46:47,760 --> 06:46:50,680
I don't know if you guys do that sort of

9494
06:46:49,240 --> 06:46:53,880
thing here at the cap. We'll work that

9495
06:46:50,680 --> 06:46:55,680
out with with your staff. Um but,

9496
06:46:53,880 --> 06:46:56,760
um what if

9497
06:46:55,680 --> 06:46:57,372
uh

9498
06:46:56,760 --> 06:46:57,640
on the

9499
06:46:57,372 --> 06:47:00,840
» [laughter]

9500
06:46:57,640 --> 06:47:03,640
» Um what if at the um you know, at the

9501
06:47:00,840 --> 06:47:05,560
end of of phase two,

9502
06:47:03,640 --> 06:47:06,840
um it's shown that phase three needs to

9503
06:47:05,560 --> 06:47:08,120
connect.

9504
06:47:06,840 --> 06:47:09,920
Um

9505
06:47:08,120 --> 06:47:10,680
phase three needs to connect to

9506
06:47:09,920 --> 06:47:11,160
something

9507
06:47:10,680 --> 06:47:13,200
» Yeah.

9508
06:47:11,160 --> 06:47:14,960
» By a certain date. I don't know if then

9509
06:47:13,200 --> 06:47:17,920
those properties in the newly defined

9510
06:47:14,960 --> 06:47:20,720
area four would have the time to connect

9511
06:47:17,920 --> 06:47:21,880
under the the MOU timeline. So, we would

9512
06:47:20,720 --> 06:47:22,640
just need to make sure we look at that

9513
06:47:21,880 --> 06:47:24,920
carefully.

9514
06:47:22,640 --> 06:47:27,120
» Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a timing

9515
06:47:24,920 --> 06:47:29,360
thing and then they wouldn't connect.

9516
06:47:27,120 --> 06:47:31,280
They would more likely have to

9517
06:47:29,360 --> 06:47:33,840
do the same treatment as the rest of the

9518
06:47:31,280 --> 06:47:37,520
territory and either package plant or

9519
06:47:33,840 --> 06:47:39,360
upgrade to advanced systems.

9520
06:47:37,520 --> 06:47:40,520
» Okay.

9521
06:47:39,360 --> 06:47:41,680
How do we make a resolution?

9522
06:47:40,520 --> 06:47:42,280
» Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you

9523
06:47:41,680 --> 06:47:43,800
very much.

9524
06:47:42,280 --> 06:47:45,520
» Good job. Thank you. Thank you.

9525
06:47:43,800 --> 06:47:46,680
» And how do how do we make a uh

9526
06:47:45,520 --> 06:47:50,160
» Well,

9527
06:47:46,680 --> 06:47:50,160
could I make another comment?

9528
06:47:50,200 --> 06:47:53,760
Well, one, I wanted to address Danny.

9529
06:47:51,720 --> 06:47:56,240
So, I appreciate your passion and

9530
06:47:53,760 --> 06:47:58,240
everything and it has been it's

9531
06:47:56,240 --> 06:48:01,240
duplicate of what has gone on for the

9532
06:47:58,240 --> 06:48:02,840
last almost two decades on this.

9533
06:48:01,240 --> 06:48:05,600
Um I then I think what everybody's

9534
06:48:02,840 --> 06:48:08,720
question has been consistently what is

9535
06:48:05,600 --> 06:48:11,160
the cause of this pollution? Is it

9536
06:48:08,720 --> 06:48:13,080
human caused or is it um

9537
06:48:11,160 --> 06:48:17,120
animal or um

9538
06:48:13,080 --> 06:48:19,040
other bacteria that are causing it. So,

9539
06:48:17,120 --> 06:48:20,760
it's been fought. It's been fought, it's

9540
06:48:19,040 --> 06:48:22,800
been fought. You can go back and look at

9541
06:48:20,760 --> 06:48:25,680
everything and the the city did put up a

9542
06:48:22,800 --> 06:48:27,280
really strong defense and did reports

9543
06:48:25,680 --> 06:48:29,480
and and everything else and this is

9544
06:48:27,280 --> 06:48:31,720
where we're at. So, I just wanted to

9545
06:48:29,480 --> 06:48:33,280
address that comment. So,

9546
06:48:31,720 --> 06:48:34,760
» All right. Have we given adequate

9547
06:48:33,280 --> 06:48:36,560
direction?

9548
06:48:34,760 --> 06:48:39,360
» What I'm hearing is

9549
06:48:36,560 --> 06:48:41,720
sorry Trevor, but

9550
06:48:39,360 --> 06:48:43,120
this map needs to be modified and shared

9551
06:48:41,720 --> 06:48:46,320
with the water board. It's going to show

9552
06:48:43,120 --> 06:48:49,440
areas three and four as discussed.

9553
06:48:46,320 --> 06:48:51,400
Depicting the old phase three as the

9554
06:48:49,440 --> 06:48:54,120
delineating line. And then there

9555
06:48:51,400 --> 06:48:56,680
probably should be some discussion about

9556
06:48:54,120 --> 06:49:00,000
the timing for the the

9557
06:48:56,680 --> 06:49:02,000
phase area four cuz that might be out of

9558
06:49:00,000 --> 06:49:03,680
the bounds of the time limits in the

9559
06:49:02,000 --> 06:49:05,560
current MOU.

9560
06:49:03,680 --> 06:49:07,716
Is that fair clarity? Is that

9561
06:49:05,560 --> 06:49:08,040
» And then also that

9562
06:49:07,716 --> 06:49:09,840
» [clears throat]

9563
06:49:08,040 --> 06:49:11,560
» Additional language that the mayor had

9564
06:49:09,840 --> 06:49:15,560
suggested for

9565
06:49:11,560 --> 06:49:15,560
the trigger and effect. I like that one.

9566
06:49:15,640 --> 06:49:19,280
» The phase three shall not be triggered.

9567
06:49:17,280 --> 06:49:21,560
» I think this shows the wisdom of having

9568
06:49:19,280 --> 06:49:23,880
I told people they could go home an hour

9569
06:49:21,560 --> 06:49:23,880
ago.

9570
06:49:27,520 --> 06:49:28,920
» Are we all finished?

9571
06:49:28,640 --> 06:49:31,080
» Yeah.

9572
06:49:28,920 --> 06:49:32,160
» Oh, what about Okay, do we want to do

9573
06:49:31,080 --> 06:49:35,320
the

9574
06:49:32,160 --> 06:49:36,760
alternate or not?

9575
06:49:35,320 --> 06:49:38,040
» Yes, let's I would vote

9576
06:49:36,760 --> 06:49:39,320
» We need four votes in favor of moving

9577
06:49:38,040 --> 06:49:41,680
forward. So,

9578
06:49:39,320 --> 06:49:43,040
» Yes. Wait, wait, what are we doing? Oh,

9579
06:49:41,680 --> 06:49:44,320
the alternate

9580
06:49:43,040 --> 06:49:46,080
alternate.

9581
06:49:44,320 --> 06:49:47,000
» All right, four more votes.

9582
06:49:46,080 --> 06:49:47,600
Maryanne?

9583
06:49:47,000 --> 06:49:48,840
» Yes.

9584
06:49:47,600 --> 06:49:49,920
» Steve?

9585
06:49:48,840 --> 06:49:50,480
» No.

9586
06:49:49,920 --> 06:49:51,360
» Kalen?

9587
06:49:50,480 --> 06:49:51,920
» Yes.

9588
06:49:51,360 --> 06:49:52,560
» Doug?

9589
06:49:51,920 --> 06:49:54,320
» Yes.

9590
06:49:52,560 --> 06:49:55,920
» I'll go with yes on this one. Okay, who

9591
06:49:54,320 --> 06:49:57,040
wants to be the alternate? Is it Do we

9592
06:49:55,920 --> 06:49:59,760
have to take public comment?

9593
06:49:57,040 --> 06:50:01,520
» We do need to take public comment, so I

9594
06:49:59,760 --> 06:50:03,800
will note if anyone would like to speak

9595
06:50:01,520 --> 06:50:05,680
on item 8A, the appointment of the Santa

9596
06:50:03,800 --> 06:50:07,040
Monica Mountains Conservancy Advisory

9597
06:50:05,680 --> 06:50:09,200
Committee alternate, please raise your

9598
06:50:07,040 --> 06:50:11,080
hand on Zoom now. I can tell you we did

9599
06:50:09,200 --> 06:50:12,040
not receive any speaker slips for this

9600
06:50:11,080 --> 06:50:14,160
item.

9601
06:50:12,040 --> 06:50:15,640
I'm giving people a few more moments.

9602
06:50:14,160 --> 06:50:17,560
» Yes.

9603
06:50:15,640 --> 06:50:19,520
» We do not have any raised hands on Zoom.

9604
06:50:17,560 --> 06:50:21,760
» Okay, so that will close public comment.

9605
06:50:19,520 --> 06:50:23,320
Who wants to be the alternate?

9606
06:50:21,760 --> 06:50:25,440
» I'll do it.

9607
06:50:23,320 --> 06:50:26,720
» I'll do it. And by the way, we're not

9608
06:50:25,440 --> 06:50:28,360
even sure they're going to let us have

9609
06:50:26,720 --> 06:50:31,840
an alternate. We've got conflicting

9610
06:50:28,360 --> 06:50:34,560
response about who you can or you can't.

9611
06:50:31,840 --> 06:50:35,680
But whether it's official or not,

9612
06:50:34,560 --> 06:50:36,360
there'll probably be two of us there

9613
06:50:35,680 --> 06:50:37,720
whenever we can.

9614
06:50:36,360 --> 06:50:40,280
» Doug Doug wants to be the unofficial

9615
06:50:37,720 --> 06:50:41,680
alternate. Anybody else?

9616
06:50:40,280 --> 06:50:43,240
All right, all in favor of Doug being

9617
06:50:41,680 --> 06:50:45,400
the unofficial alternate.

9618
06:50:43,240 --> 06:50:45,680
» Well, he's the official alternate.

9619
06:50:45,400 --> 06:50:47,080
» I

9620
06:50:45,680 --> 06:50:48,480
» Authorized by the council.

9621
06:50:47,080 --> 06:50:50,720
» All right, any objections? [snorts]

9622
06:50:48,480 --> 06:50:53,760
All right, Doug, you're the alternate.

9623
06:50:50,720 --> 06:50:53,760
We are adjourned.