1 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:24,880 All right. Hello everybody. Uh, thank 2 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,320 you for taking time out of your Tuesday 3 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,480 evening to join us for tonight's Burough 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,320 Council meeting. I'm Council President 5 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,719 Brennan Phillips and Mayor Papadopoulos. 6 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:33,680 Would you please lead us in the 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:41,350 invocation? 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,600 As we begin tonight's meeting, let us 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,200 take a moment to reflect on the 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,200 responsibility we share to serve our 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,520 community with fairness, patience, and 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,000 good judgment. As another school year 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,680 gets underway, we wish the children of 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,280 our community a year filled with 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 learning, friendship, growth, and 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,680 opportunity. We also recognize the 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,600 teachers, staff, parents, and families 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,239 who support them throughout the year. 19 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:05,920 We ask for continued safety and 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,360 protection from our police, for our 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,360 police officers, first responders, and 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,280 all those who work each day to keep our 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,680 community safe. We also give thanks for 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,520 our burough employees and all they do, 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,200 often behind the scenes in service to 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,240 our residents. May we be guide May we be 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,240 guided tonight by wisdom, understanding, 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,320 and respect for one another. May our 29 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:26,240 discussions be thoughtful, our 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,840 disagreements respectful, and our 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,360 decisions always made with the best 32 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,040 interests of our community in mind. 33 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,960 Amen. 34 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,280 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,680 United States of America and to the 36 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,640 republic for which it stands, one nation 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,600 under God, indivisible, liberty and 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,830 justice for all. 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,360 » All right, roll call. Uh, as I 40 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,399 mentioned, I'm Council President 41 00:01:50,399 --> 00:01:53,280 Phillips, Council Vice President Warner, 42 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Council Member Bones. 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,159 He's joining us via phone, I believe, so 44 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,159 hopefully he'll be able to hear us. Uh, 45 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:01,280 council member Frederick 46 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:01,759 >> here. 47 00:02:01,759 --> 00:02:02,799 >> Council member Coons 48 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:03,119 >> here. 49 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:04,159 >> Council member Neim 50 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:04,479 >> here. 51 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:05,600 >> Council member Rashetti 52 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,000 >> here. 53 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,119 >> And Mayor Papadopoulos 54 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:07,680 >> here. 55 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,759 >> All right. Announcements. Anyone 56 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:10,879 recording the meeting is asked to 57 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:12,160 announce so at this time in accordance 58 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,800 with resolution number 875. Uh, you are 59 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,480 permitted to record. We just need to let 60 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,720 people know and the bureau will be uh 61 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,879 recording for the purposes of not only 62 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,239 streaming it but also putting it on the 63 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:24,400 burough's website. Do I have anybody 64 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,920 recording? 65 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:26,959 All right. And just so that you're 66 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,040 aware, impromptu recording may occur at 67 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,560 any time. Um, resolution number 875 also 68 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,239 establishes the con protocol for burough 69 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:37,200 council meetings. Uh, 70 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,400 for those of you who haven't been here 71 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,000 before, this isn't a place for 72 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,239 screaming, carrying on, yelling 73 00:02:42,239 --> 00:02:45,440 profanity. At least everybody, you know, 74 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 act like you're in a place where 75 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,959 everybody can be respected. All right. 76 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:52,400 Uh, you'll have three minutes to make 77 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,040 public comment. uh the period for public 78 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,200 comment in the beginning is for anything 79 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,200 that is not an agenda item and then for 80 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,200 the various agenda items, you will have 81 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,640 another opportunity to make public 82 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:03,760 comment. All right? So, if there's 83 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,000 something that you see on the agenda, 84 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,920 save that for when the agenda item comes 85 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:09,840 around. Okay? 86 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Uh a reminder that public comment is a 87 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,360 time to bring comments to council, not a 88 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,200 time for questions and answers. So, if 89 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,640 you have questions about a particular 90 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:18,800 topic, uh we might not be able to answer 91 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,400 it right on the spot. And I recommend 92 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,400 that you go to Burough Administration. 93 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,760 They have office hours and you can speak 94 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,640 to them at any time on any topic. Okay. 95 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,480 Uh join the Malvin Environmental 96 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,840 Advisory Council for a guided migratory 97 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,840 birdwalk at the Malvin Retreat House on 98 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,480 September 12th at 8 a.m. Uh registration 99 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,040 is required on malvinourn.org. 100 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,720 >> People can park here. I think we'll walk 101 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,280 over from 102 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,120 >> Okay. And parking is available at uh 103 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,360 Burough Hall here. Uh, and Chief 104 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,959 Marcelli will participate in the third 105 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:48,799 annual cheers to CDC, the battle of the 106 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:50,560 badges event benefiting the crime 107 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,400 centers vict crime victim centers of 108 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,400 Chester County on September 17th from 109 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,640 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. at Bellefor Property 110 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,799 Restoration. Uh, it was a great event. 111 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:01,439 Uh, I attended last year as did a number 112 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:03,519 of members of council and I believe the 113 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:07,280 chief uh was the highest earning uh 114 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,680 police chief for the entire uh event. 115 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,000 So, 116 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 >> and we'd like to keep that going In 117 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,040 that vein, there is a ticket for each 118 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,600 council member and the mayor, um, Sylvia 119 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,359 Nicole at the door for you. 120 00:04:19,359 --> 00:04:23,360 >> Sounds good. And good luck to the chief. 121 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,600 Uh, on Friday, September 18th from 5:00 122 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,919 to 8:30 is the craft and merkantile 123 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:30,240 event, uh, security night market 124 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,080 celebrating local makers and artisans 125 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,639 alongside live music, food, and drink. 126 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:36,479 And it'll take place at Burke Park. And 127 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:38,080 it's one of our community's best events. 128 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,120 So, I hope to see you all out there. 129 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,280 Uh, PY Battlefield Heritage Day will be 130 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:44,928 held on Sunday, September 26 from 131 00:04:44,928 --> 00:04:46,960 [clears throat] 11:00 a.m. to 4 pm. Uh, 132 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,320 it should be fun. So, I hope to see you 133 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,400 guys out there, too. Parks and Wreck is 134 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,400 hosting a family movie night on 135 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,040 September 26th at 7:30 p.m. at Burke 136 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,680 Park featuring the film Sarah's Oil. 137 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,440 Malvin Burough will participate in the 138 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,440 domestic violence center of Chester 139 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,199 County's Paint the Town Purple awareness 140 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,600 event uh for the month of October. And 141 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,280 then, please also visit the Burough's 142 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:08,960 website regularly for upcoming community 143 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,800 events. Uh next we're going to move on 144 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,960 to the approval of the agenda. Uh we 145 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,360 have the PMA here. Uh and they would 146 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,120 like to discuss the heritage center at 147 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,039 the pale memorial grounds. Uh Mr. 148 00:05:19,039 --> 00:05:20,639 Ortner, who's been our liaison to the 149 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:23,360 PMA, has requested uh since some of the 150 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,720 members of the PMA might not be able to 151 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,080 stay the whole meeting that he be moved 152 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,240 to the top of the agenda under council 153 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,600 business. And I think that's a good 154 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,600 idea. So, uh, with that, I'd like to 155 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,280 approve the agenda, uh, but move, uh, 156 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,680 the Paley Memorial Association up to the 157 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,160 first item under council business. So, 158 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,840 with that said, do I have a motion? 159 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,479 >> So, move. 160 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:43,199 >> Second. 161 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:44,479 >> All in favor? 162 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,960 >> I. All right. Motion passes. Next up is 163 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,639 public comment. If anybody would care to 164 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,479 make public com comment on a topic that 165 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:52,320 doesn't appear on the agenda, you may do 166 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,440 so now. Uh, Mr. Petty John. 167 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:06,390 All 168 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,880 right, Betty John 169 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,479 Street. Um, now that we [laughter] 170 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:15,680 now that we've moved the uh uh meeting 171 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,960 on from Zoom to YouTube, um, a couple neighbors were asking about how 172 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,560 to ask a make a comment or, you know, 173 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,160 participate in a meeting since it's on 174 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Zoom. I don't know if we have that 175 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,000 worked out yet or not. So, that was my 176 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,520 curiosity 177 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,280 question. Maybe send something out. 178 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:34,319 Thanks, guys. 179 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:36,160 >> Thank you. And as I mentioned before, if 180 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,360 you have any questions or comments, 181 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,759 you're always welcome to either email uh 182 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,319 malvin.org or stop in to the office to 183 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,240 discuss with the administration. Mr. 184 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Buckley, would you care to make public 185 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,000 comment? 186 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,080 >> Yeah. 187 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,600 >> Thank everybody for coming out here 188 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,840 tonight. 189 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,680 >> Okay, let's get let's get down to 190 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,960 business now. Um, as you see, I came in 191 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,440 there wasn't no agendas. 192 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,919 We're getting paid to do that. What's 193 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:04,560 the big idea about making some instead 194 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,319 of a few? Cuz you don't know when it's 195 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,240 going to be crowded or not. That's okay. 196 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,919 You don't have to answer me. I know what 197 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:14,000 I'm saying. Um, another thing is these 198 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,479 builders come into our town and these 199 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:18,560 taxpayers don't get nothing when they 200 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,000 want something w. They got to get a 201 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,319 permit for a shed and all. If you want a 202 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,800 shed, you should have a shed. Everybody 203 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,960 had a shed back in the day, but the 204 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,400 builders get away with what they want 205 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,400 and stuff. Wait, 206 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,199 um 162 Church Street and 156 Church 207 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:37,280 Street across the street from me and two 208 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,120 over, three over. Um if you get a if you 209 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,919 got a permit, you have to post it so 210 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:45,680 people in the street can see it. Prove 211 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,360 me wrong if I'm not. Um over next to 212 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,800 Vicky Sharps, I was over that way. Uh 213 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,080 two houses going up this way. They did a 214 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,840 roof. And how come I didn't see no 215 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,919 permit? And I had to get permit when I 216 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:01,840 did my roofs and stuff on good work. I'm 217 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,879 tired of coming down here when somebody 218 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:06,560 like somebody's helping somebody on low 219 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,039 income, poor people or somebody that 220 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:10,800 needs help and they're improving their 221 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,680 property. That's not right to nail them. 222 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,680 They nailed them over $300 the first 223 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,400 one. 224 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,160 >> Okay. We'll keep on rolling with you so 225 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,790 I don't lose my time. Uh, 226 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,950 okay. Um, 227 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,120 traffic light. I'm not going to keep 228 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,800 bringing this up. I won't keep bringing 229 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,640 it up. I mean, till I get one there 230 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,399 because the bur can have one and it 231 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:38,320 won't cost enough, but they don't want 232 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,320 it. So, I'm working on it. Get go higher 233 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,919 up. We're getting that light there 234 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,480 before a kid gets hit. You talk about 235 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,640 safety in this bird, you're going to 236 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,959 wait till a kid gets hit. That's what it 237 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:50,560 is. An older person going out for 238 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,399 dinner. I hope it ain't none of your 239 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,480 kids are you. 240 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,230 Uh 241 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,240 oh. I like to see the police once in a 242 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,640 while. We talk how great they are, but 243 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,040 it'd be nice to see them. Oh, we got all 244 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,360 these police and we just hire more three 245 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,000 part-times and another full-time. 246 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,320 you it'd be nice to see them because the 247 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,800 taxpayers pay their salary and all and 248 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,560 everything that goes on in this bur 249 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,200 don't go nowhere but here you don't make 250 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,920 you don't get down to do your job you 251 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,800 know so I'm going to keep you know thank 252 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,560 you all right just to uh clarify some of 253 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,839 these points uh I see the police 254 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:33,600 multiple times a day every day I think 255 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,040 we've got a great police force I don't 256 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,640 think that statement is accurate 257 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,160 secondly we've discussed the traffic 258 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,920 light at King and Bridge many times 259 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,839 We've studied the intersection. You know 260 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:43,920 this, John. Uh, and the chief has 261 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,360 recommended that we don't put a light in 262 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,720 there. Our traffic engineer has 263 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,399 recommended that as well. We believe 264 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:49,920 putting a light in that intersection 265 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,279 will make the intersection more 266 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:53,360 dangerous. Everyone needs to stop at a 267 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,320 stop sign. Not everyone uh when the 268 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,600 light turns yellow, people start 269 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,360 speeding, right? No one stopping at a 270 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,959 green light. We believe the safest 271 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:02,720 solution, and we've told you this many 272 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,720 times, is to keep the stop signs where 273 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,680 they are. Lastly, you did a great job 274 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,760 tattlettailing on your fellow residents, 275 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,360 right, with all your complaints. But 276 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,200 what disgust me, one of the people 277 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,800 you're attacking is someone who just 278 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,720 lost their husband a couple months ago. 279 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,959 She's a widow and she's got a young son 280 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:20,560 and you're beating up on them when 281 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:22,399 they're down. 282 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,320 Your neighbor right across the street. 283 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,959 Okay. Enough. 284 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:35,440 Well, if I may um just um I know that 285 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,279 this hasn't just just to clarify on the 286 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:42,240 building permit issue and I think Dan 287 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,120 will tell me if I'm wrong. When the 288 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,519 uniform commercial or the uniform 289 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:50,640 construction code was adopted, the rule 290 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,000 was changed so that a building permit 291 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,200 needs to be on site, but it no longer 292 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,519 has to be posted 293 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:01,680 because for various reasons, they get 294 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:06,480 damaged. Um, people who don't need to 295 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 know anything except that a permit has 296 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,959 been issued. Um, so in and we I believe 297 00:11:12,959 --> 00:11:15,040 we changed the burough ordinance. You 298 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,959 don't remember? Yeah, I'm pretty sure 299 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:20,160 that it's no longer required to be 300 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,360 posted, but it does have to be on site. 301 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,000 >> No. 302 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,200 >> All right. Would anyone else care to 303 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760 make public comment? 304 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,040 All right. Uh, let's move on to the 305 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,720 professionals report. Uh, Wendy, would 306 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,160 you care to give the soliciters report? 307 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:42,710 >> Sure. 308 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,519 So, um Scott and I have continued to 309 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:49,519 work on various um ordinances 310 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,880 that um like the the dog ordinance, food 311 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,880 truck ordinance that are that are in 312 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,920 various stages of approval. 313 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,640 Scott has been monitoring andor 314 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,839 participating in the various 315 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:07,360 um lawsuits that are pending. 316 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,600 um a as well as um 317 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,120 monitoring 318 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,959 and participating to the extent 319 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:18,639 necessary regarding the um home rule 320 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:21,200 charter amendment petitions. 321 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,079 We both keep ch uh tabs on the status of 322 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,760 subdivision and land development 323 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:32,240 projects and participate in um those as 324 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,040 needed, drafting resolutions or giving 325 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,399 advice. Scott spent uh quite a bit of 326 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:42,639 time with past couple of months with the 327 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:46,000 trash bids, developing the packages, 328 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,160 going through the process, reviewing the 329 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,240 packages. [snorts] 330 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Um he also has been involved in zoning 331 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,480 ordinance enforcement matters and right 332 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,920 to know requests. Um I've been 333 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,920 continuing work on the um zoning and 334 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,839 subdivision land development ordinance 335 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:12,240 rewrite and also um I uh keep track or 336 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,720 keep tabs on things like developments in 337 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,600 the data center 338 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,560 um legislation or lack thereof and other 339 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:27,279 state um legislative initiatives. 340 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:29,760 So that's our report. Thank you. Uh Dan, 341 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,800 would you care to give the engineers 342 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,760 report? Sure. 343 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,600 >> Um [clears throat] for the uh past month 344 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,839 here, uh various uh permit plan reviews 345 00:13:35,839 --> 00:13:37,279 and subdivision land development 346 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,120 reviews, including the two on the agenda 347 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,440 for tonight. Um for public works 348 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160 projects, uh we're still working on um 349 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,240 getting some uh sewer repairs done for 350 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,360 uh 2026, including the Minor Hill uh 351 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,720 sewer meter um uh which we have some uh 352 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,920 proposals to uh repair that meter. Um 353 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,240 and also uh some additional work on 354 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,920 North Warren Avenue and Old Lincoln 355 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,120 Highway. Um the paving program here for 356 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,639 2026 357 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,399 um coordinating with the contractor 358 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:08,880 which uh work is scheduled for probably 359 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,880 the week of September 14th or the 21st 360 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,839 um for the um uh paving of half of 361 00:14:15,839 --> 00:14:18,320 Pennsylvania Avenue from the Cold Sack 362 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,160 out um halfway out um through the uh to 363 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,440 North Warren. Um 364 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,839 the uh North Warren uh Avenue stream 365 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,320 bank stabilization project here. Um we 366 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,560 have uh oversaw the construction of that stream bank stabilization work is 367 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,199 complete. Um we still have um tree 368 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:39,279 plantings and live state plantings uh 369 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,279 scheduled for the fall. Uh but all the 370 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,600 stream bank channel work has uh has been 371 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,880 completed. Um and uh the we had a couple 372 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,360 week detour um uh established during 373 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,279 that process during the daytime and 374 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:52,959 that's all been uh completed and taken 375 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:55,040 down. I finally got the signs down. They 376 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,320 took a little while to get down. Um the 377 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Randolph Woods project here, we're 378 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,240 overseeing the uh phase one construction 379 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 improvements. Uh the boardwalk has been 380 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,639 completed. Uh the bridge should be 381 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:09,199 completed this week and uh they're going 382 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:11,199 to be moving over to the pavilion uh 383 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:14,320 here next um for that project. Um, so 384 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,920 we've been working with the contractor 385 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,120 on uh on overseeing that work. Um, and 386 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,279 also been working with DCNR to um uh do 387 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:27,279 the phase 1A grant contract closeouts. 388 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,040 Um, the uh First Avenue um handicap 389 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,959 ramp, the the building here, the Mel 390 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:34,480 Burough uh building here, we're going to 391 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,240 be replacing the um uh the sidewalk uh 392 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,240 right in front of the building uh with a 393 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,040 handicap ramp. Um we're hoping to get a 394 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,880 schedule for that. They were potentially 395 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,959 going to start here this week. It's not 396 00:15:46,959 --> 00:15:47,920 doesn't look like that's going to 397 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,959 happen. Um so uh probably uh within next 398 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:53,040 week or two uh they'll be out to uh to 399 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,279 replace that. Uh just for everybody's 400 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:57,759 knowledge on that one. We're going to um 401 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,800 we're going to the access to the front 402 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,839 door will be maintained um for um for 403 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:06,160 people that need to get to the elevator. 404 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,880 We're going to look to uh um divert the 405 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,600 majority of traffic over to the side um 406 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,240 side uh side entrance in here for uh for 407 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,839 when that works being done around when 408 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:18,240 the contractor is working just to avoid 409 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,839 conflicting with the uh the um uh the um 410 00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:23,920 the construction workers and the access 411 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,000 in and out. But if you need to get in to 412 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,079 use the front door, that will be open. 413 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:30,000 Um so we'll set up some uh barricades 414 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,720 and signs associated with that work. Um 415 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,839 the pump house uh I've been trying to uh 416 00:16:35,839 --> 00:16:37,920 to consult with that um which is on the 417 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,000 agenda tonight which I'll defer to uh to 418 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,279 that point. Um the truck signage uh 419 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,040 ordinance was passed as you guys know in 420 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,759 your past or uh past um meetings. We've 421 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:50,320 uh been working with uh Bowman and we do 422 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,680 have the traffic pendot traffic signal 423 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 uh approval um from uh from PennDOT. So, 424 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,240 I'll be working with public works staff 425 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,480 to uh to uh order signs and get the um 426 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,360 final uh that implementation of that um 427 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:07,520 truck signage up here shortly. [snorts] 428 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,679 Um but we just got here the end of last 429 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:11,919 week the um signed uh signed approval 430 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:14,240 from uh from Pendot. 431 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,520 The um I guess that's the uh bulk of my 432 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,799 uh public works projects have been 433 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:19,280 working on. 434 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,240 >> All right. Thank you question. 435 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,559 >> Can you just a rough order of magnitude? 436 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,439 What's the timeline from the approval to 437 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,520 getting the signs actually up? 438 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 >> Um, so I had uh um we have to order the 439 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,160 signs and I don't know what the time 440 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,080 frame that would be to to to have those 441 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,919 signs ordered, but basically we wanted 442 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:39,760 to get all through the pendot approval. 443 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Um we're going to I told public works 444 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,520 staff here last week that I would we'd 445 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,120 sit down and go through and make sure we have all the right sizes and 446 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:48,880 everything ordered. So hopefully I don't 447 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,799 know if I'll maybe have a chance this 448 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:52,640 week to to schedule time to stop over to 449 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,640 see them and go through that. So we can 450 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,960 have a a full list of signs to be ready 451 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,799 to be ordered by Christmas. 452 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,120 >> Uh I I would I I mean I would anticipate 453 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:02,559 they're all standard signs, so they're 454 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,960 not I mean other than the two signs as 455 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,640 you enter the burrow on King Street on 456 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,960 either side. Um uh but I would 457 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,720 anticipate it be could be complete this 458 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:10,960 year. 459 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,000 >> Halloween sounds great. 460 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,679 >> Y got it. 461 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:16,640 >> Hey Dan, on the uh Randolph Woods, the 462 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,840 new trail now the bridge looks like it's 463 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,919 pretty much getting done. When do you 464 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:24,160 think that trail will be really 465 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,880 available for people to uh to use? 466 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,480 >> People are using it now. We haven't shut 467 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,919 it down during construction. People are 468 00:18:29,919 --> 00:18:32,160 out there for it now. Um they were going 469 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,280 to try to get all of the trail work kind 470 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,039 of cleaned up um and accessible here u 471 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:40,559 before they moved over to the nature 472 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:42,160 play area. They wanted to kind of button 473 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,799 all that up. Um, so, uh, I'm hoping here 474 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:46,240 within the next week or two, they'll 475 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,760 have the bulk of that kind of pulled 476 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,080 together for, um, that loop trail to be all accessible and all the 477 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,520 construction equipment out of the way. 478 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,960 >> Yeah. Thank you. 479 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,160 >> Y 480 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,160 >> All right. Thank you. And, uh, we're 481 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,360 going to skip the manager's report 482 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,120 tonight because, frankly, Nicole's been 483 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,640 too busy to create a report. So, she'll 484 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,880 be giving the report next month. So, 485 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,520 it's going to be extra long, I'm sure. 486 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,679 Um, let's move up to the Burough Council 487 00:19:09,679 --> 00:19:10,880 subcommittees. Uh, finance 488 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,720 administration. Uh they will next meet 489 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,400 on Thursday, September 17th. Have you 490 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,559 guys I don't believe we've met since our 491 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:20,880 last meeting. Um public safety uh when 492 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,840 we Okay. Uh when we last met, uh we 493 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,000 discussed walkability, uh crosswalks on 494 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,919 King Street, things of that nature. And 495 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:29,600 we'll next meet on Monday, September 496 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,720 28th, and uh public works. 497 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,120 >> Yes, we met this week on August 25th. We 498 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,280 discussed most of the stuff that Dan 499 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,200 just went through. We also talked about 500 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,039 the King Street lights, the King Street 501 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,160 crosswalks, uh the public works garage 502 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,480 remodel, potential fence down at the 503 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,280 public works building, and the new trash 504 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,799 cans. So, I just wanted to give props to 505 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:53,280 our uh public works guys for installing 506 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,280 the new trash and recycle bins in Burke 507 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,039 Park. They look great. Thank you guys. 508 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:58,480 We are meeting again on Tuesday, 509 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,000 September 22nd. 510 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 >> Thank you. Uh let's move on to council 511 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,679 business. uh to consider the application 512 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,520 of the Paley Memorial Association for 513 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,080 preliminary preliminary/final 514 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,600 land development for the Heritage Center 515 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,000 on Paley Memorial Grant. Uh Dan, I know 516 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,400 you did a lot of uh work with this 517 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,679 group. Uh I noticed that uh they're 518 00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:21,520 requesting a couple of waiverss. Uh do 519 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,000 you want to walk us through those? 520 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,600 >> Um sure. Do um do you want the the folks 521 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,120 on them to give an overview of the 522 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,520 project to handle? ask Frank to speak in 523 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,559 a little bit, but I just want to make 524 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:33,760 sure that we all know what it is that 525 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,280 we're discussing and what they're 526 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,880 requesting. Uh, and I noticed in your 527 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,840 report that there was a number of items. 528 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,200 I don't know if this was the final one, 529 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,880 but there were some documents that you 530 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,840 were still anticipating uh from this 531 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,559 group. 532 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:50,480 >> Uh, yes. So, um, so I have an August 533 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,679 14th, 2026 review letter here. Um, and, 534 00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,520 uh, that letter does outline, uh, the 535 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,880 number of outstanding items. The 536 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,320 majority of the items are planning 537 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,760 related items um for PL um I'm sorry 538 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,799 plan content um nothing critical from a 539 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:07,520 uh construction perspective they have to 540 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,919 uh um do some odds and ends but I I'll 541 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:11,520 you want me to kind of run through just 542 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,679 the the key items that are related to 543 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:14,880 the waiverss you want me to start with 544 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,640 >> I I would start with waivers and then if 545 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,080 council has any questions about what 546 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,440 that means uh answer 547 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,320 >> so um the the uh the waivers waiverss 548 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,320 are going to uh they don't um there were 549 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,000 a couple waivers that they had requested 550 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,159 related to primary final. Uh we were 551 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:33,919 determining this project to be a minor 552 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:35,440 plan. So they don't need a preliminary 553 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,039 final waiver. They're able to move right 554 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,799 to final plan. Um assuming that uh 555 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,240 everything goes according with the 556 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,440 waiverss and they don't need to do any 557 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,640 street widening. There'll be a minor 558 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,039 plan. They don't need to or the fi 559 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:50,799 fourstep design process. Um the uh I'm 560 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:52,000 just running through which were the 561 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,159 waiverss here for this um track 562 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:55,760 boundary. 563 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,950 Um 564 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,760 a waiver request. Um so section 503 of 565 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,200 the ordinance requires that any new 566 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,520 subdivision is required to widen uh 567 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,440 public streets and or dedicate 568 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,080 additional rightways. Um uh this is a 569 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,840 small little project inside the memorial 570 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,760 ground there. And uh so they were asking 571 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840 a waiver not to have to uh do any 572 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,919 roadway improvements out on the public 573 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:21,679 streets um for uh for that. They uh 574 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:24,080 requesting a waiver to not install curbs 575 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,240 along all public streets. As you're well 576 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,720 aware, you're able to require uh 577 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,720 property owners to install curb um 578 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,840 during a subdivision of land 579 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,760 development. Same thing with sidewalk. 580 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Um so they're asking for a waiver not to 581 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,200 do sidewalk around the perimeter. They 582 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,840 have a very large frontage along Wayne 583 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,280 um Monument Avenue and Sugartown. Um and 584 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,880 so they're asking waiverss for both the 585 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,440 curbs and the sidewalks for those areas. 586 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,710 Um 587 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,960 see I think that might be sewage 588 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,240 disposal. No waiverss for that. um water 589 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,919 supply 590 00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:00,720 electric service and then a waiver for 591 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,440 um installing uh street trees um along 592 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,360 the property frontage again along Wayne 593 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,400 Monument and uh Sugartown um and they 594 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,000 obviously uh the the shade tree 595 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,440 commission supported that waiver. They 596 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,720 did come in and meet with the shade tree 597 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,720 commission um and that was they 598 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,159 definitely supported that. The shade 599 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:17,760 tree commission in the bureau uh works 600 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,919 with the the PMA grow folks for tree 601 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:21,919 plantings every every year also. Yeah. 602 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:22,320 Good. 603 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,400 >> Dan, being as this is the first time the 604 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120 historic ordinance has come into play, 605 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,440 is that going to require a waiver? The 606 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,200 historic commission recommended treating 607 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,400 it as a tier three versus a tier one. 608 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,640 Will that need to be a waiver? 609 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,679 >> Um, I don't I to be honest with you, um 610 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:42,080 I I that's in I don't think that's in 611 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,000 the that's not in the subdivision land 612 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,080 development ordinance. So that's not a 613 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,039 waiver. That's not a waiver uh an item 614 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,559 for a waiver for that. 615 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,600 >> Okay. um still has to be reviewed. 616 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:53,840 >> Yeah. 617 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,200 >> With that ordinance. 618 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,720 >> Yeah. So that that that that's a that's a standalone ordinance, 619 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,280 correct? I 620 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,000 >> think so. 621 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,760 >> Um so the enforcability here, I'm going 622 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,679 to ask Wendy on that one here. The 623 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,039 enforcability of the standalone 624 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:06,480 ordinance. It's not a subdivisional land 625 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,559 development, so it won't be a waiver. Um 626 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,440 how's that how's that process worked? 627 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,559 >> I'd have to look at it. I I don't know 628 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,440 off the top of my head, but this is um 629 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:27,039 an accessory structure also. Um so, uh I 630 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,080 if if it does require a waiver, it seems 631 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,000 like they they could add that to the 632 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,400 list, but I don't know without looking 633 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,990 at it. 634 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,919 » Okay. Are there any other questions from 635 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:44,559 council? I I have a question not related 636 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,720 to waiverss. Um so Dan, it looked like 637 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,880 the square footage of the building was 638 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,080 maybe just under what would require um a 639 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,080 full storm water management plan. I 640 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,159 guess it's some it's the it's in that 641 00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:59,919 middle range of 642 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:01,120 >> they're they're required to do a 643 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,960 simplified simplified approach and they 644 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 are proposing a seepage bed. Um the bed 645 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,400 was uh the last application that came in 646 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,679 showed two beds. Um the engineer put it 647 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:14,000 in as one uh right now and it's a little 648 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,919 bit under size. So they uh they have to 649 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:17,919 my note my note for that was to increase 650 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:21,600 the size of it to manage that uh that additional runoff. 651 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,679 >> So simplified does that mean that it's 652 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:30,080 only for um the over between nothing and 653 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080 what is it 2500 square feet or something 654 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,400 like that? 655 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,080 >> Yeah. So, the simplified approach is 656 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,720 between um uh 400 and um I think it's 657 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640 1,000 square ft. And then everything 658 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,000 above 1,000 ends up being uh requires a 659 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,200 full storm water designed. Um I believe 660 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,440 is I believe the threshold is 1 1,000 661 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,000 square ft for uh for the burrow here. Um 662 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,840 and uh and they were under that 663 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,279 threshold to to be able to do the 664 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:56,799 simplified approach. and simplified 665 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,159 approach is is basically uh managing um 666 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:03,760 the uh the the 1-in runoff uh event from 667 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,440 uh for those impervious coverage. Um so they 668 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,960 basically that's that's what they were 669 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,000 proposing to do. So because I I'm pretty 670 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,080 sure that in the new zoning we have made 671 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000 it now if there's disturbance that they 672 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240 have to apply it that it we're not we 673 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,000 didn't maintain that sort of 674 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520 intermediate um 675 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,679 >> that's in this that's in the storm water 676 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:25,760 management ordinance the new zoning the 677 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,679 new zoning and subdivision ordinances 678 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:29,520 have not did not address the storm water 679 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,600 ordinance that still stays as the uh the 680 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,720 model ordinance uh from the county which 681 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,799 the bureau is more restrictive than the 682 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,400 county model ordinance county model 683 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,039 ordinance is The minimum threshold was a 684 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,480 thousand square feet and you don't have 685 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,720 to any 10,000 square feet unless you 686 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,159 don't have to do anything. The burrow 687 00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:48,159 had decided years ago that we were going 688 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,080 to make that threshold 400 square feet 689 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,520 before when we have to kick in storm 690 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,080 water. 691 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080 >> Oh, okay. So, that's why we had talked 692 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,919 about looking at our storm water 693 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,000 ordinance once we finish the zoning to 694 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,600 make sure that we're comfortable with 695 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,559 that. Correct. 696 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,440 >> MS and and right now we're we exceed the 697 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,960 minimum requirements necessary from the county as as it's written 698 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,720 today. Right. 699 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,000 Any other questions from council before 700 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320 I ask Frank to 701 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,320 come up? All right. Uh, Mr. Orner, would 702 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,080 you care to say a few words about the 703 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080 project and maybe answer some questions 704 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,440 from council? 705 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,440 >> Just a few. 706 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440 >> Uh, good evening. First of all, I'd like 707 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,200 to mention uh we have member a number or 708 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 a number of our board members here this 709 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480 evening. And if I could just mention who 710 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 they are. Uh Jim Fiscus. Uh if you'd 711 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,919 stand up when I give your name so people 712 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:45,840 can see who that person is. Jim uh and 713 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,799 Bill Shoemaker next to him. Joe Boris 714 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,799 next to Bill. 715 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:55,350 Uh Chad Darlington. 716 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,919 Jay Kappa. 717 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,200 Anybody else here? Oh, Hugo. Hugo 718 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,070 Schmidt back there in the back. 719 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,640 Okay. and and I asked them to come in 720 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,640 case they would like to say something 721 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,399 with regard to the whole thing that I 722 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:17,760 maybe left out. Um, okay. I I was up in 723 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,320 here today and I gave Sylvie some 724 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,399 information I'd like to go through at 725 00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:25,279 this point. This is new information as 726 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,520 of today. Really, I picked up the stuff 727 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,200 from the architect today. And is there 728 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,520 any Well, okay. I guess that's the 729 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,399 brightest one over there. 730 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,240 Yeah. 731 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,080 But, uh, this represents the, uh, 732 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,399 heritage center that we anticipate being 733 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,679 able to put in. Uh, and it's going to 734 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,600 go. If you go back to the first one, 735 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,600 Sylvie, 736 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080 uh, can you can you sharpen that up at 737 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600 all or make it larger? 738 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,679 >> That's that's better. [laughter] 739 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,039 Thank you. 740 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,320 Um you'll you'll take you'll you'll 741 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,919 notice that the building uh is 742 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:15,440 very near where that grandstand is and 743 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,679 we're not looking to make any changes as 744 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,520 far as a grandstand is concerned and 745 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,880 which gets to maybe Lynn's Lynn's point 746 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,640 on the historical uh commission. Um, and 747 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,919 we're going to be moving it a couple 748 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:33,600 feet back of where that lowest stone is 749 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,480 uh on that um on either side. Uh, by the 750 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,679 way, the grandstand is 18 and 1/2 ft on 751 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,000 each of three sides. It's a three-sided 752 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,399 square, if you will. And so on the on 753 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:53,200 the side, there is no there is no uh uh 754 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,520 stone or railroad tie. That's where 755 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,799 we're going to be putting the um the 756 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,679 heritage center. And one of the things 757 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:04,640 that we need to do in order for this to 758 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,039 be done, this was approved by the the 759 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,440 shade tree commission, which Brandon you 760 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,919 mentioned before, and that is there's an 761 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,240 oak tree that's relatively close to 762 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,919 that. And this is something that we 763 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:20,240 would we would have to take down the oak 764 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,039 tree and um but we would replace it with 765 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,080 three other trees uh that are colonial 766 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,919 in nature 767 00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:34,960 and um so that's again what we're 768 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,960 looking to do. Um, we had talked to the 769 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960 Shadri Commission and actually we met 770 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,000 out there and uh while there uh we got 771 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,039 uh they got Joe Bones on the phone and 772 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,520 uh as as an arborist is no longer on the 773 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,880 shade tree commission but of course he's 774 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,039 on Burough Council and I'm hoping that 775 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,200 Joe can hear me at this point. Uh but uh 776 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,320 that being the case, that was that's a 777 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,640 black oak tree that we're talking about 778 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440 and it's part of the red oak family and 779 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,679 that um apparently there's a a disease 780 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:14,640 going around with regard to red oaks. 781 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,679 So, uh, Joe felt that by putting in the 782 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,000 foundation out there, it might may 783 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,240 disturb some of the roots and, uh, 784 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 affect the longevity, if you will, of 785 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,799 that particular black oak. So, bottom 786 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,720 line is they they came back and said, 787 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,480 "Okay, let's well, if it's going to be 788 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,240 uh dying off in a few years, the best 789 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,840 thing to do is take it down now before 790 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,760 we get the heritage center up." And um 791 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,080 so again we look we're looking to 792 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,559 replace it with three trees in a similar 793 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,120 area. Some trees have already been taken 794 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,159 down years ago because of the uh because 795 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:03,760 of the uh diseases. And uh so uh that 796 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,159 was the first slide. Now Sylvie, if you 797 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:09,840 want to go back or there we go. 798 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,360 Okay. This is now you have an individual 799 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,159 walking on the pathway. We're we're 800 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,960 looking to go into 801 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,919 uh the the heritage center on the north 802 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:26,640 side. So uh and that's what that's what 803 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,159 you would see if you will uh from the 804 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:33,760 road the the 805 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,159 uh road that's of course going through 806 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:39,200 the going through the park. facility. If 807 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,080 you go to the next one. Okay, this is 808 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,559 the front entrance. 809 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,120 So, you can see where 810 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440 uh the doors there's a door on either 811 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,440 side of the glass window. And that door, 812 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,120 the door on the right is the entrance. 813 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,679 Door on the left is the exit. And 814 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:00,880 there's a uh as you can see, a porch 815 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,000 there. And that's about 8 ft uh in 816 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:13,200 width and about uh 7 7 1/2 ft 817 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,799 from the cement to the the beam 818 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,720 um and obviously going in. Okay, next 819 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,080 one. And by the way, I have copies for 820 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,559 you so you can take it home and look at 821 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,799 them. This is okay. This is now looking 822 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,360 into the the center. And if you take a 823 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,279 look at the roof, 824 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:38,960 this is where the timber part comes into 825 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,240 play. And the timber part 826 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,600 uh it's going to be I think it's going 827 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,559 to be very very well done. And we're 828 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:52,559 looking at it as a now on the sides on 829 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:56,480 the walls. We're not seeing timber. It's 830 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720 really going to depend on the money that 831 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,159 we are able to generate for this entire 832 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:06,640 project. So, um the more money we are 833 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,800 able to generate, I think the better 834 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,159 it's going to look because we can do 835 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,399 timber throughout 836 00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:14,960 and uh but it'll be something similar to 837 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,320 what you'll see there on the on the uh 838 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,679 on the roof. The window there on the 839 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,760 right side is the window that's going to 840 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960 be looking out the south side 841 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,200 um of the park of the building and it'll 842 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,800 be looking onto the grave site. It'll 843 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,320 you'll be able to see the grave site 844 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,159 from there and also uh looking at on a 845 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,520 different angle you'll be able to see 846 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,440 the monuments that are on the right hand 847 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,760 side. The monument that's there in the 848 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,440 middle is the monument that we're 849 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,200 looking to move from the grave site to 850 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,280 the u to the center and the center. And 851 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,480 the reason for that is the the the u 852 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,000 the monument itself is two over 210. 853 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,400 It'll be 210 years old next year. And uh 854 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,920 it's it's gone through a lot of 855 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,520 weathering over the years. And this will 856 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,000 protect it going forward, but we're 857 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,839 going to replace it with another 858 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,880 monument very similar to what the 859 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,040 monument looked like when it went in. Uh 860 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,800 over the years, people have taken little 861 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,720 chips off of it and so on and so forth 862 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,880 and and uh which whatever however it 863 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,119 looks now, that's how it's going to look 864 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,359 inside. We're going to have to put some 865 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:41,920 glass around it. um but not like the 866 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,880 plexiglass that was on it uh up until 867 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,280 recently. 868 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920 And the window on the left is looking 869 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,839 out over the pale battlefield. 870 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:55,839 So you have windows on the left looking 871 00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:57,680 at the pale battlefield on the right 872 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,480 looking out over the grave site. on as 873 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359 you enter, if you're standing by the by 874 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,109 the monument and you're looking north, 875 00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:08,240 [clears throat] that's that's the the 876 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,680 white or the uh glass window that you'll 877 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,839 see and you'll be able to see out onto 878 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,000 the rest of the grounds. 879 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,119 Uh as well as the grounds, the the 880 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,000 windows coming in and out. 881 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480 Next one, Silly. 882 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,560 Okay. Again, this is now looking at the 883 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,480 uh looking at it on the north side. On 884 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440 the left side, that'll be looking north. 885 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,040 So, you'll be able to see an awful lot 886 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,280 of the area 887 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,440 uh outside of the of outside of the uh 888 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640 the building itself, looking both north 889 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,760 as well as uh northeast and northwest, 890 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,119 looking at the rest of it. And what you 891 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,440 don't see and uh are the the as you walk 892 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,480 in on the right hand side will be a 893 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680 bathroom restroom and there will be a 894 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,839 storage area next to it and 895 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:16,320 um it'll be an ADA restroom. 896 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,320 Uh and the storage area is going to be 897 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,119 for the pale battlefield primarily to 898 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,200 have different artifacts that are that 899 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,920 we have that they have. And uh we want 900 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,160 to where that where you see the person 901 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,720 standing there by the window uh on the 902 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,160 east side. We're going to we're looking 903 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,040 to have uh some cases that will have the 904 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,000 artifacts that again the Paleo 905 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,440 battlefield has and those cases can hold 906 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,839 the artifacts and there may be some room 907 00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:50,000 maybe some some bookshelves. We're 908 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,920 looking to have some bookshelves above 909 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,920 it. So again depending on what we have 910 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,560 to uh show 911 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,720 as far as the battle itself is 912 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,400 concerned. 913 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040 Um and that's a pretty good I think 914 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,400 indication of what the entire 915 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,800 um center will be looking like. 916 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,480 >> Sounds good. Um does anybody want to ask 917 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480 questions or make comments? Uh I have a 918 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,720 few questions and comments myself. Um, 919 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,760 do you want I'm going to go first 920 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,839 though? 921 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,440 Okay. Well, first off, I think it looks 922 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,280 great and as you know, I've been, you 923 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,640 know, very interested in this and the 924 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,800 history of it. Uh, send you some my 925 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,040 ideas and renderings. Uh in terms of 926 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,599 uh you know that front porch area uh for 927 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,560 times when the heritage center is 928 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,000 closed, would it make sense to have some 929 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320 uh signage on the outside so that people 930 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200 can read some of the history of the 931 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,760 monument of you know the battle without 932 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,880 the ability to walk in to the heritage 933 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,599 center itself? We are looking to put in 934 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:02,240 put [clears throat] 935 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,960 on the outside some signage with regard 936 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,760 to that. 937 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,400 >> Okay. And then what are the actual hours 938 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,320 of the heritage center and how will it 939 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,200 be kept open? Will it be done by being 940 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,520 staffed or will it be done you know 941 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,079 based on certain times a day dawn till 942 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,920 dusk? What do you 943 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,079 >> dawn to dusk? Excuse me. [clears throat] 944 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,800 No. Uh we're looking maybe 10 to 4. I 945 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,320 mean some of these things still have to 946 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,040 be worked out. 947 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,440 >> Okay. But 10 to 4, not every day of the 948 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,839 week, but maybe Wednesday to Sunday. 949 00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:32,160 >> Okay. 950 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,680 >> Uh [clears throat] so Monday and Tuesday 951 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,359 wouldn't be open, but Wednesday to 952 00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,920 Sunday, those are the times that we're 953 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000 looking at, but again, nothing's written 954 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,800 in stone. 955 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,000 >> Okay. 956 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,079 And then, 957 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,200 you know, one of the things I did 958 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,040 discuss with you before was, you know, 959 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,440 we I don't know about all burough 960 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,720 council, but I know a number of 961 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,240 counselors 962 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,920 were hoping that we could get some sort 963 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,119 of restrooms that were accessible to the 964 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:58,880 public on from the outside of the 965 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480 building so that we don't have to plop a 966 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,839 portaotty on hallowed ground, right? 967 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,079 uh so that individuals who are maybe 968 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,839 visiting the grave or visiting the 969 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,960 battlefield during times that aren't 970 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,480 times that the heritage center are open 971 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,839 would still be able to use the 972 00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:18,400 restrooms. And I'm guessing that you 973 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,000 guys thought it wasn't a great idea 974 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,240 because you know of the potential for 975 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,200 vandalism or graffiti, but I don't know 976 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,040 that that's the case with the other 977 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,960 restroom by the ball field which is also 978 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,720 on the Pale Memorial Association 979 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,920 grounds. So what are your your thoughts? 980 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,200 And the other thing I was thinking as 981 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,160 well is if you were to not have a door 982 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,400 to the restroom on the inside, that 983 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,359 would give you more space forformational 984 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,359 signs and more display cases instead of 985 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:48,000 wasting that space with a door to a 986 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,359 restroom. Um, so would you guys be 987 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:54,000 consider consider being open to that? 988 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,960 Um, I know in the past we've been from 989 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,119 my perspective good partners to the PMA 990 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,119 and vice versa. Uh, you know, we 991 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,920 maintain some of these grounds. Uh, you 992 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,160 know, if you do have a restroom in there 993 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,520 during the winter time, in all 994 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,800 likelihood, you're going to have to heat 995 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,720 it somehow. 996 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,920 Is the burrow going to be paying for 997 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,680 that energy? I I don't know who 998 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,119 currently is paying for the portaotty. I 999 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,079 would assume it's the burrow is paying 1000 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:17,200 for that portaotty as well. 1001 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,440 >> The portaotti is on the on the pale 1002 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,640 battlefield grounds. 1003 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,920 >> Right. But are you paying for it? 1004 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,560 >> No, you are. 1005 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,680 >> We are. Yes. 1006 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,560 >> Right. 1007 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,920 >> Because it's on your grounds, 1008 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,240 >> right? 1009 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,240 >> It's on the pale battlefield grounds. 1010 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,480 And because it is, that's another reason 1011 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,560 why we thought it wasn't necessary to 1012 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,640 have it because you have the the the 1013 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,000 porta potty there. The the restroom that 1014 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400 you mentioned at the ball field, I don't 1015 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,240 think that's open during the time when 1016 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,160 the games are not being played. 1017 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,440 >> That's a good point. Yeah. Not sure 1018 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:45,839 about that. 1019 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:48,560 >> So, I think that's the that's going on 1020 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,319 there. and and obviously when when uh 1021 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:56,880 and we're looking to have the the um 1022 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,800 center 1023 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,160 uh personed 1024 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,240 um by an individual every day that it's 1025 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:07,520 open. 1026 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,160 >> Just a a quick note. Um [clears throat] 1027 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,760 excuse me. Speaking as also a member of 1028 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,440 the Paley Battlefield Preservation Fund 1029 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,440 board, it is my understanding that Jim 1030 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,119 Christ is planning on leaving that 1031 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,920 portaotti there even with the bathroom 1032 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,960 that is there um in the the PMA Heritage 1033 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,000 Center. 1034 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,760 >> So I don't mean to speak for him, but as 1035 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,960 far as I know in our meetings, that's 1036 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,839 what he said, 1037 00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,480 >> right? But I guess my concern is 1038 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,119 why, you know, if we have this the 1039 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,839 ability to have a restroom, why would we 1040 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,520 also want a portaotty and why would we 1041 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,359 also want to pay for that? And if the 1042 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,440 burough is considering, 1043 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680 you know, in the future installing a 1044 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,280 restroom, 1045 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,839 that might be potentially money that we 1046 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,359 wouldn't necessarily have to donate to 1047 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:52,800 the PMA, right? Uh, you know, I want to 1048 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,640 see the project succeed. I want to see 1049 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,480 Burough Council be in complete support 1050 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,599 of it. Uh, and you know, when equipment 1051 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,400 breaks in when like the playground, when 1052 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,319 the slide broke, the burrow stepped in 1053 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,400 and we, you know, fixed that, right? I 1054 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,520 think we've been pretty good partners 1055 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,040 and 1056 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,400 we helped you guys get this grant, 1057 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,280 right? I don't know if it would have 1058 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,720 been possible for you to even achieve 1059 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,160 this grant and now it kind of seems like 1060 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,319 the residents of the bureau aren't being 1061 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,640 served as well as they could be if they 1062 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,319 had the ability to access this and the 1063 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:23,440 people who are interested in the history 1064 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,280 of the town. If people wanted to come 1065 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240 visit the battlefield or visit the 1066 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,160 grave, 1067 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920 they might not want to use a portaotti, 1068 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,520 right? And I don't think it's a good way 1069 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,680 to honor our patriots by plopping a 1070 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,160 portaotty on hollow ground. Right. 1071 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,400 >> Well, agreed. But the portaotti is there 1072 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,839 at this point. It's been there for a 1073 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,200 number of years 1074 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520 >> and I assume that it's been been 1075 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,960 utilized. Um, as far as the as far as 1076 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,800 using this particular restroom as a 1077 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,560 restroom outside of the hours that were 1078 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,480 open, 1079 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960 that creates a number of issues, I 1080 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,680 think, from our standpoint. And I know 1081 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,640 that the people on on Remington, and I 1082 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,319 don't know if they're 1083 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:11,440 >> Yes. Okay. I I think they'll have a few 1084 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,960 things to say with regard to that as 1085 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,800 well. Um it it does create an issue 1086 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,640 where 1087 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,400 uh 1088 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,400 I I think it it can open it up to as you 1089 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880 said vandalism and and that's that's an 1090 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,400 issue that we don't want to get involved 1091 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,880 with and if we leave it open only when people are there 1092 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960 uh again the portaotty would still be 1093 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,160 there and they could use it but to uh 1094 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,520 open it up from the outside Then we're 1095 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,040 talking about maintenance on a daily 1096 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,119 basis basically. And who's going to pick up the bill on that 1097 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,079 one? Uh 1098 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,880 >> who do you plan to have maintain it 1099 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,119 >> in its current state? Who will will you 1100 00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:56,640 be hiring staff to 1101 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560 >> We will have to hire someone and it's 1102 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,720 going to have to be maintained but and 1103 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,599 we're not looking to to pay people to be 1104 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,040 there from 10 to 4. We're hoping that 1105 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,680 once a month somebody from the community 1106 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,160 can come up whether it's somebody from 1107 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,160 the Paley Memorial Association 1108 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,640 Historical Commission, you know, there's 1109 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,119 a number or the Paley Battlefield, uh, 1110 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,079 somebody could sit in there. If if any 1111 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,240 one of you would like to do that, it's, 1112 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,800 you know, that would be fine, too. Uh, 1113 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,560 but [clears throat] basically keeping an 1114 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,000 eye on what's going on. We're going to 1115 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,280 have to have the electric eye outside. 1116 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,520 uh keeping an eye on it from that 1117 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,119 standpoint, making sure people aren't 1118 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,839 climbing up on the roof or whatever. And 1119 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:43,599 uh although we haven't had any issues 1120 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,440 with regard to the other buildings that 1121 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,920 are on our property, the house, the 1122 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,800 garage, the municipal building, we 1123 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,079 haven't had any issues with regard to 1124 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,920 that. We hope we wouldn't have any 1125 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,920 issues here. We're looking at I mean the roof is going to be 14 and a half 1126 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,760 feet. So um those are those are some of 1127 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,240 the things that we have to be concerned 1128 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,359 about and and uh that's why again for 1129 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,680 opening it up I I you know to the 1130 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000 outside 1131 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,599 >> I mean other communities do this even 1132 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,520 Greenree Park, East Ocean Park they do 1133 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480 it. They uh I know the uh restrooms by 1134 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,680 the ball field, they have um Wi-Fi 1135 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,240 enabled locks and you know custodian has 1136 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,520 a key when um so somebody can unlock it 1137 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,200 with an app and it hasn't been a 1138 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280 problem. I know Green Street Park has an 1139 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,960 automatic lock that opens at various 1140 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,680 times and if you're in the restroom when 1141 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,359 it locks there's a button that you can 1142 00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:42,560 push to still get out. Um so you're not 1143 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,720 trapped in there. Right. Um 1144 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:45,839 >> don't want to be stuck. 1145 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,640 >> Right. Right. But I I don't know for the 1146 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,160 community and for other visitors I would 1147 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,079 highly recommend that you guys give it 1148 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,760 another thought and you know 1149 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920 >> we have thought about it and but again 1150 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,079 the expense involved in doing it and the 1151 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,720 possibility of people just wanting to 1152 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,200 use the bathroom. Well again there's 1153 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,960 >> that's that is a possibility that they 1154 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,800 might just want to use the bathroom but 1155 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,640 you know but that's kind of community 1156 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,319 stuff. Um the other thing though is um 1157 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:13,760 you know and that's just being a good 1158 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,440 neighbor kind of opening your house to 1159 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,839 your community. But um you off you have 1160 00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:20,560 often mentioned the the heritage um 1161 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,040 center in Brandy Wine and I'm curious 1162 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,480 what their hours are and if they're 1163 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480 manned because 1164 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,680 um 1165 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,079 >> well 1166 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,560 >> Marshall I don't believe are they 1167 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,880 manned. Brand new brand new on 1168 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:35,440 Battlefield. 1169 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,160 >> It's not. 1170 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,119 >> Yeah. So, I mean, it seems to me that 1171 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,359 it's possible that if you're expecting 1172 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,000 to have somebody in there when it's open 1173 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,760 and you won't be open without somebody, 1174 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,079 it could be a beautiful building that 1175 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,240 isn't utilized enough if you're counting 1176 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,040 on volunteer hours. So, I think you guys 1177 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,119 are on the right track. It's beautiful. 1178 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:58,800 It's welldesigned. Um, but I think 1179 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,319 you're probably going to need to think 1180 00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:04,880 about how to be more open. um because 1181 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800 what's the sense of creating something 1182 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,920 that we're not um you know we're not 1183 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,720 making accessible and as Brendan said we 1184 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,119 have people in our community who are 1185 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,400 history buffs who um will want to enjoy 1186 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,319 it but at the same time we also have 1187 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:22,880 people who just love that park and maybe 1188 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,119 they have an emergency. So, you know, 1189 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,160 it's it I think it all works together to 1190 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,240 create a space that's welcoming that um 1191 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,800 adds to the community. So, I there are 1192 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960 some things that I you know, as I said, 1193 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,480 I think you're on the right track, but I 1194 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,440 think there are some things that you 1195 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,280 still probably need to work through. 1196 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,599 >> I I think the difference between what 1197 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,280 you're talking about is bathrooms at 1198 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,720 parks and the ballparks and whatever. 1199 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,160 Those are that is property that is owned 1200 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,480 by a municipality. 1201 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,280 This is private property and unless 1202 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:57,680 we're 1203 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,720 >> department used to be completely 1204 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,079 volunteer and now they only have a 1205 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,000 handful of volunteers. They're mostly 1206 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,079 employed staff at this point. Right 1207 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,319 there time may come when you don't have 1208 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:08,640 volunteers to staff this to open it up 1209 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,040 to sit there for eight hours and then to 1210 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,520 Zoe's point does it become closed to 1211 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,839 public? Do we not get to experience that 1212 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:18,720 history? uh is something to consider and 1213 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,480 maybe that is something the bureau looks 1214 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,559 into and maybe we do have staff that 1215 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,280 opens it up but I don't know that it's a 1216 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,599 viable model and if it's not going to be 1217 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,359 open 1218 00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:33,040 it's going to be difficult to 1219 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,520 I I'll say this if we don't have if if 1220 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,040 you change this model and you say okay 1221 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,240 we don't have volunteers we're not going 1222 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,559 to open it up then we never have the 1223 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,000 ability to use this bathroom we never 1224 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,280 have the ability for the community to 1225 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,200 really use it right And I know that's 1226 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,119 not your intention, but I think you need 1227 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,079 to look 10 years down the road, too. 1228 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,200 >> Well, I I I think it's true, but I also 1229 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,079 think that there's enough people here, I 1230 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,559 think, who really want this. We've had a 1231 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,160 number of contributions already, and 1232 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,880 I've sent a a letter to um the your 1233 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,599 finance committee, and I think for those 1234 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,680 of you who are on that, I think you 1235 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,079 received that from me. and we've got 77 1236 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,800 people and businesses who've already 1237 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200 made contributions. We're looking for a 1238 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:26,480 lot more contributions as well. But uh I don't see us having a building and 1239 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,119 maybe I'm just uh not looking at it 1240 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,880 correctly, but I don't see us having a 1241 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,880 building but not having it open. And uh 1242 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,440 I think we can get a number of people 1243 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,079 here in the in the community, maybe even 1244 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,599 outside the community. Willistown 1245 00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,359 surrounds us. I mean, this was part of 1246 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,200 Willistown Township when and when 1247 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,640 everything took place back in the Battle 1248 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,160 of Pey. So, I think we can get people to 1249 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,119 volunteer once a month 1250 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,920 uh to come up there from 10 to 4 and we 1251 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,119 may even open it up more often if we 1252 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,280 find that it's going to be needed more 1253 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,000 often. Uh it's it's I think it's going 1254 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,079 to we're gonna have to contingency plan 1255 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:06,720 if you can't 1256 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,400 >> I'm sorry. Do you have a contingency 1257 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,640 plan if you can't get volunteers for 1258 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,000 from 10 to 4? 1259 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,200 >> Yeah, we're going to call on Burough 1260 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,319 Council to volunteer. 1261 00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:16,960 >> Well, I'm I'm being serious, Frank. Um 1262 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,040 because I think all of us up here have 1263 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,480 experienced the difficulty of 1264 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,200 maintaining volunteerism. Um you know, 1265 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,359 throughout the burrow. So, I I do hope 1266 00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:27,760 you will consider a contingency plan if 1267 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,760 you're not able to fully you know, 1268 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,960 that's you're saying Wednesday to Sunday 1269 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,920 10 to 4. That's a lot of hours. Um, and 1270 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,520 I think we've sort of experienced the 1271 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,440 heartbreak of of not being able to do 1272 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680 things because you just don't have the 1273 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,240 volunteers that you that you would hope. 1274 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:49,760 So, you know, just bring it back to the committee and and think on that one. 1275 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000 >> Yeah, I would I will. We will. And we 1276 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,440 will. Um, I'd like to ask if other 1277 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,040 members of the board would like to add 1278 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,079 anything I've said, 1279 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:10,069 Chad. 1280 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,000 I'm Chad Arlington. I've been a lifelong 1281 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,119 resident here. Grew up here. Matter of 1282 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,680 fact, I used to walk across for 12 1283 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,680 years. I walked across those grounds 1284 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,800 because we lived adjacent, which is now 1285 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,480 part of Remington. Uh, nobody ever came 1286 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,440 to Memorial Park except for Ray Steel 1287 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,960 and Katherine and nobody bothered. 1288 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,880 Malard is a great place. We were the 1289 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,240 best well-kept secret for many years 1290 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,280 until we became the crossroads to the 1291 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,160 corporate center. Now everybody wants to 1292 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,040 live here. We have a great town. It's 1293 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,640 safe. We have a good business community. 1294 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,160 We 1295 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,800 have a good public works. We get good 1296 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,800 snow removal, 1297 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,520 trash removal. Everybody wants to live 1298 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,760 here. The memorial grounds have been 1299 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,520 there. whether it's a private piece of 1300 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,400 property, but everybody thinks it's part 1301 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,579 of the burrow and it's a public 1302 00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:10,559 [clears throat] park. Frank has done 1303 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,800 wonders since he's been chairman of the 1304 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,720 grounds committee. 1305 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,960 We also see now a lot of people using 1306 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,920 the park to walk their dogs to go down 1307 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480 through the woods. I remember when 1308 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,880 Malvin Prep was a residential school 1309 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,520 with a pig pen in the woods that the 1310 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,040 people now walk. So times have changed. 1311 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,760 Malvin Fire Company, every when the 1312 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,160 alarm sound, everybody left their 1313 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,720 businesses locked up and went to help 1314 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,319 the fight the fires. Volunteerism is 1315 00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:47,359 fading. It doesn't matter where it is, 1316 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:49,119 you know, and it's going to get worse 1317 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,280 probably because nobody everybody is 1318 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,319 busy working, raising their families. 1319 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,880 They don't have time to volunteer. They 1320 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,359 also put more back on government and 1321 00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,599 think that well I'm paying taxes let 1322 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,079 them why should I volunteer Malver 1323 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,800 Memorial Paley Memorial Browns is 1324 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,079 private property is an asset to this 1325 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,319 town 1326 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,559 it's got the ball field at 10 and some 1327 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,480 acres it's got the ball field the tennis 1328 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,680 courts the scout cabin it's beautiful 1329 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,359 when people see it they want to come to 1330 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,880 here they want the park you guys need to 1331 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,240 get behind 1332 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,119 and help 1333 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,079 the heritage center will take that 1334 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,920 monument that's on the graves of those 1335 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,280 53 men and preserve it. 1336 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,680 I never saw such little picky stuff to 1337 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,200 get it worked out. It can be done. The 1338 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,000 bathrooms, okay, that is an issue. It 1339 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,520 came up at at a lot of the committee 1340 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,680 meetings. Okay. We never had bathrooms 1341 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,280 at the Little League field all the 1342 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,280 20some years that I was involved in 1343 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,359 Little League and Bay Ruth league that 1344 00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:59,920 had a portaotti. Even now that they have 1345 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,200 the restrooms, the portaotti stays 1346 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,559 because they can't be open all the time. 1347 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:08,480 So there has to be something there. The 1348 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,240 portaotti that's at the memorial 1349 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,960 grounds, that's not ours. That's the 1350 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,839 battlefield. We were lucky enough. We 1351 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:17,760 were lucky to have a piece of 1352 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,640 revolutionary history right here in our 1353 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,160 town. 1354 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,480 We should be honored that there's 53 men 1355 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,400 that made it possible for Malvin to be 1356 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,200 so great today. 1357 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,359 Frank has done a great job along with 1358 00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:35,520 Jay and so many others that have 1359 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400 brought the grounds up to stuff. 1360 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,400 It's expensive 1361 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,000 to put roadways in and stuff. 1362 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,400 I would urge you 1363 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,680 to get behind this and help. There's a 1364 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,760 lot of things you got to crawl before 1365 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,160 you can walk. There's a lot of things we 1366 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,400 don't know and you don't know. It's 1367 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,000 council. 1368 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,119 But we do the best we can. But we got a 1369 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,520 piece of history that you need to 1370 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,480 preserve. We were lucky enough to to 1371 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,200 have Malvin Prep sell that property to 1372 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,280 the battlefield which you have to 1373 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,599 oversee or are in control of. I guess 1374 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,359 I urge you stop being so picky. Let's 1375 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:24,880 get behind this and get it done. It's going to be an asset the center. 1376 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,359 Maybe we could even get a plaque with 1377 00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:29,839 the 53 names that we have are lucky 1378 00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:32,160 enough to know that they call out when 1379 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,280 we do the reefs around America once a 1380 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,520 year. 1381 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,920 Don't be so technical. 1382 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,319 Frank has done a wonderful job and and I 1383 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,040 give Frank credit and Jay and so many 1384 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,359 others, Bill and Jim. 1385 00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:52,000 It sure has changed a lot. And I don't 1386 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,920 know whether your volunteerism and keep 1387 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,760 it open. I know there are some places of 1388 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480 police open and closed to restrooms. I 1389 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,040 think that's in East Co. 1390 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,760 Thank you. 1391 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920 >> Thank you. And just for the record, bro 1392 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,760 Council is very much in favor of this 1393 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,160 pro project. We want to see it succeed 1394 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,640 though, right? And 1395 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,119 >> well, not only that, we just to even try 1396 00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:14,799 to get the grant, we had to set up 1397 00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:16,160 special meetings. We're actually being 1398 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,000 sued because we were trying to help you 1399 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,040 guys so much. So it's Yeah. Uh, so 1400 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,359 everybody likes to sue today, but we 1401 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:26,799 were very much in favor of this project, 1402 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:28,640 but we want to see it succeed. We want 1403 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720 to honor our Patriots. We want to make 1404 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,680 sure that it it can do all the things 1405 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,280 that we want it to do and that we hope 1406 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,880 it it can accomplish. So, and I think 1407 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,720 Frank's done a great job. We has 1408 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,720 communicated well with us and I've given 1409 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,880 him ideas and suggestions as well and I 1410 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,400 think he's taken them into account. So, 1411 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,680 I I'm not trying to, you know, hurt 1412 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,119 Frank or his feelings or anything of 1413 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,880 that nature. I just want to make sure 1414 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,040 this is a project that can be successful 1415 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,040 and that we can have money in the bank 1416 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,319 that we can give you guys in the future 1417 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:02,160 to accomplish other goals. Right. 1418 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,319 >> And is it fair to say um this isn't just 1419 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:09,599 a Melbourne project, 1420 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,200 >> right? 1421 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280 >> You live in Willistown, 1422 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,400 right? 1423 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,440 speak into my 1424 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,839 >> and and the president of the president 1425 00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,960 of the uh preservation fund doesn't live 1426 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,640 in Malver all volunteer. 1427 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,400 So this is a at least a regional park 1428 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,400 versus a Melvin park at least that 1429 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480 probably national because I keep meet 1430 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,119 whenever I walk there I live in right 1431 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,240 next to it. Um, 1432 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,160 on occasion I meet people that are from 1433 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,520 all over the United States. 1434 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,400 I' I've met a a father and a couple of 1435 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,359 sons. Andrea was with me on that one. 1436 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:54,559 From Idaho. 1437 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,960 I met a couple from down south. I think 1438 00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,640 it was Mississippi or Alabama. 1439 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,599 People are know about this. And if you 1440 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,760 watch that PBS special on the 1441 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,079 Revolutionary War, 1442 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:12,240 he did a great job for for maybe a 1443 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,079 couple of minutes, whatever it was, 1444 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,520 featuring that battle and it's right in 1445 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,920 our backyard. 1446 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,040 Not many burrows or towns or cities have 1447 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,599 something like that. 1448 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,599 Uh so what we're trying to do here is 1449 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,079 protect the history for the next 1450 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,480 generations. That's one of the main 1451 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,599 goals, right? Which is the the monument, 1452 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,880 >> right? And then provide more information 1453 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,119 and maybe artifacts 1454 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,200 that have been found on the property 1455 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,119 will be in display and and explained 1456 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,280 what you're looking at. 1457 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,040 So, 1458 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,359 um I think I I I give Frank and and his 1459 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:03,760 team a lot of a lot of credit. This is 1460 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,799 uh and and my colleagues. We're all in 1461 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:09,119 support. Okay. Thank you. 1462 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,480 >> Yeah. And and as Brandon said, without 1463 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,559 your support, we wouldn't have got the 1464 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,880 grant. I mean, that's a given. We know 1465 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,599 that. And we appreciate all the support 1466 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,720 we we have been getting over the years. 1467 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,799 I mean, it's not just the last couple 1468 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,440 years. It's been a long time. 1469 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,359 >> And I think the the the the field for 1470 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,200 volunteers is much bigger than the 1471 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,040 burrow. 1472 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,599 >> And I would agree. But also where you 1473 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,240 live, where Jay lives over in Tidewater, 1474 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,079 >> I think there's a number of people there 1475 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,920 that we could look to get as volunteers 1476 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,799 to help out. So Frank, 1477 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:53,440 >> just because I know we have another presentation. Um, do you mind if 1478 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,119 I open it up to public comment? 1479 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,000 >> Well, I want 1480 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,119 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 1481 01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,799 >> If I may, Bill Shoemaker, I'm the 1482 01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,040 president of the PMA. I just wanted to 1483 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,280 say very quickly, the partnership 1484 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,119 between PMA and the bureau is of 1485 01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,680 longstanding and we deeply appreciate 1486 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,440 everything that the bureau does day in 1487 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,480 and day out for us. and we are in no way 1488 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,799 diminishing what's been going on here 1489 01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:18,000 and and the support that you have and 1490 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,240 clearly there are some things that we 1491 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,799 need to work out but we are going to 1492 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,359 have the center open the best possible 1493 01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,200 hours we can. Now we are actually 1494 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,599 receiving a lot of commentary from 1495 01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,079 people who want to see it closed more 1496 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,760 because they don't want to see people 1497 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,280 gathering around it. They don't want 1498 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,640 crowds. They are requesting that we 1499 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,559 codify that the bathroom not be 1500 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,240 available to the general public because 1501 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,760 they don't want people hanging around 1502 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,599 and so forth. 1503 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,280 These are all issues that have to be 1504 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:53,359 reconciled. But um you know having the restroom available to the general 1505 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,040 public. 1506 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,319 Obviously there's cleaning and 1507 01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:57,440 maintenance and all those kinds of 1508 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,680 issues which would be there to a greater 1509 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,319 or lesser extent regardless. One of the 1510 01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:04,799 challenges that we fa that we face and 1511 01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:08,240 this is you know pure mechanics. We're a 1512 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,079 private property that functions as a 1513 01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:14,160 public park. We pay liability insurance 1514 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,920 out the years because of that and having 1515 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,599 a public restroom available on the 1516 01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,160 grounds is going to again increase those 1517 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,280 issues. So we have to address those but 1518 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,440 we have no um institutional hard line 1519 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,960 saying it's not going to be a public 1520 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,720 restroom. We need to work those issues 1521 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,280 out and you know moving a door is is not 1522 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,280 a huge issue in terms of the planning 1523 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,520 and so forth going forward. We are 1524 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,599 committed to having this open as much as 1525 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,119 possible to be available to the public 1526 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,599 reasonable hours. The grounds are you 1527 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,640 know closed from dusk to dawn. So it's 1528 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,720 not going to be a nighttime thing. We 1529 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,079 don't want to have a lot of bright 1530 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,920 lighting. We don't want to do more 1531 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,640 paving than is absolutely necessary. But 1532 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,599 we clearly are working with the burrow 1533 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,480 to make it work for everybody 1534 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,480 that's involved. And we are going to 1535 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,520 have a lot of work to get volunteers to 1536 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,599 cover those hours, but we're not going 1537 01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,920 to reduce the open time. I mean, Frank 1538 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,079 and I will take shifts to be sure that 1539 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,720 it's open. I know Frank looking forward 1540 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,520 to it. Uh, but I certainly am as well. 1541 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,119 But, you know, we really want to 1542 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:24,960 emphasize how important our partnership 1543 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,079 with the burrow is. 1544 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:28,640 >> Did you hear that? 1545 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:29,680 >> No, I did. 1546 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,160 >> Wasn't just me. But emphasize how 1547 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,760 important our partnership is with the 1548 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,400 burrow. And we certainly want to be 1549 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,039 supportive of the burrow's efforts as 1550 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,359 well as the burrow support of what PMA 1551 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:42,960 is doing. So, thank you very much. 1552 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,039 >> Thank you. All right. With that, I'll 1553 01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,920 open up to public comment. Uh, Mr. 1554 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:56,390 Sharpless. 1555 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,440 Vicky Sharpless 328 East Broad. Um, real 1556 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,000 quickly, um, I just think it would be 1557 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,440 wonderful if we could have a bathroom 1558 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,920 available. I I think that would be the 1559 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400 best of, you know, of options. But if 1560 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,960 it's not going to happen, we can make do 1561 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,039 with with a portaotti. I don't think 1562 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,960 that that's should be something that 1563 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,280 should stand in the way of them 1564 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,319 continuing their work and spending a 1565 01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:22,079 million more hours figuring out how can 1566 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:23,520 we use a bathroom, how can we keep it 1567 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,480 clean, how can we make it secure when we 1568 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,559 do have another option. We have the 1569 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,200 Paley Battlefield offering to maintain 1570 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,480 and keep that portaotty. It's, you know 1571 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,319 what, 100 ft away from where this 1572 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:38,480 building's going to be. It's not that 1573 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,480 big of an issue. Um, and I'm just 1574 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:41,920 speaking. I don't have anything to do 1575 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,160 with PMA. I just live in the burrow. 1576 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,720 I've lived here my whole life. And I 1577 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,039 just think that it's an issue that's 1578 01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,440 almost a non-issue at this point. Thank 1579 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:51,839 you. 1580 01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,760 >> Thank you, Mr. Buckley. 1581 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,630 >> Thank you. 1582 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:05,190 » Okay. 1583 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,160 » You can come. Yeah. Sorry. 1584 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,640 >> All right. Um we're making putting this 1585 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,599 beautiful building up there and here's a 1586 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:16,079 chance to have um regular um bathroom 1587 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:18,799 because that sink sits there look like 1588 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:20,720 crap and you're having people come from 1589 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,039 other towns in here and look at that and 1590 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,359 got to use a port 1591 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:30,400 and maybe it's time the burr and then 1592 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,720 work together and make this happen 1593 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,400 because this town gets a lot of grants 1594 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,559 and stuff. There's money can be found 1595 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,599 somewhere to make this happen. But I 1596 01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:42,400 mean, how would you like it? You bring 1597 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,240 your kids up there and oh, you got a 1598 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,240 nice you talk to this and um then they 1599 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,640 close or whatever. It's about time we 1600 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,200 get do it with portable Johns in there. 1601 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,000 We were talking about the park and up 1602 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,599 here at the B up in county that should 1603 01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:01,200 be a nice toilet like um Green Park got 1604 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,880 and we're spending all the I'm 1605 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,480 disappointed. I challenge anybody out 1606 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,680 here in the audience, go down and see 1607 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,760 the way that working. It ain't as nice 1608 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,599 as it is for the money we're spending. 1609 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,039 Thank you. 1610 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:14,880 >> And for the record, we did help the PMA 1611 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,079 get grant funding for this and the 1612 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,000 portaotti at Randolph Woods is for the 1613 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,680 people doing the work on Randolph Woods. 1614 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:30,640 So, Mr. Petty John 139 Church. Um, strangely for 1615 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,960 once in a while, Brendan, I agree with 1616 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,680 you in so many facets on this, uh, 1617 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,000 building, it's beautiful. It's gorgeous. 1618 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,640 And as a father who takes his young kids 1619 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,359 up to that area regularly, and also as a 1620 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:45,359 scout leader who participates in that 1621 01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,280 area regularly, 1622 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,400 to use the 100 ft away from his 1623 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,000 brand new building. It's a technical 1624 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,400 term. 1625 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,400 >> It is. Um, but to use that plastic porta 1626 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,799 potty that's 100 ft away from a brand 1627 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,799 new building when we have the 1628 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,760 opportunity to open it up to the public, 1629 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,680 to the young people, because let's be 1630 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,799 honest, guys, um, there's not a lot of 1631 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,160 young people sitting in this room, 1632 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,680 there's not a lot of young people on the 1633 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,079 PMA. You want to keep kids interested in 1634 01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:17,599 history and keep them coming to see a 1635 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,359 monument, they got to want to go to the 1636 01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:20,319 building and they're going to go there 1637 01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:21,920 and say, "Hey, what's this?" And they're 1638 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,520 going to ask questions. But when you 1639 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,280 say, "Nope, you can't go in there. it's 1640 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,599 not open today, then they don't care. 1641 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:29,200 History disappears when you don't pass 1642 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,640 that information on. And that monument 1643 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,880 can be perfectly protected and nobody's 1644 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,160 going to see it and nobody's going to 1645 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,079 care about it in 25 years, 30 years. 1646 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:37,440 They just won't because they won't know 1647 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,240 about it. Just open the damn open Sorry, 1648 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,559 Brennan. Open the bathrooms up. It's so 1649 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,280 easy. It's a It's And and Chad, I hear 1650 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,680 you. It's ticky tacky stuff, but these 1651 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,720 little things, they can build up and you have to answer these 1652 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,160 questions. You have to hit all the 1653 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,480 little things and knock down all the all 1654 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,799 the dominoes so that everybody's on the 1655 01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,680 same page. I I I think we really need to 1656 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,280 do this PMA. I think you need to 1657 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,039 reconsider it to sit there talk about 1658 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:04,240 what a great town this is. It's an 1659 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,599 awesome town. It's amazing town. It's 1660 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,119 wonderful. It's awesome. And I agree. 1661 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,160 I'm never leaving Malvin Burrow ever. 1662 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,760 But you can't then turn around and say, 1663 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,280 "But it's not safe enough to leave a 1664 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,280 bathroom open during the day." That 1665 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,880 doesn't make any sense. That's both 1666 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,279 you're talking both sides. So, uh, you 1667 01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:20,799 know, I'm just speaking as a community 1668 01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,440 member with young pe young children and, 1669 01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:25,679 uh, how helpful bath, not to mention 1670 01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,480 special needs kid who, uh, using a porta 1671 01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:31,040 potty is always a challenge. Um, 1672 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,799 because, well, let's be honest, they're 1673 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:34,880 gross even when they're clean. Um, and I 1674 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,560 use them every day on the job site. So, 1675 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,679 uh, but they're gross when they're 1676 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,799 clean. Just it's it's stupid. It seems 1677 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,719 stupid chat. It is ticky tacky and it 1678 01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:44,560 seems dumb, but the change for the 1679 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,480 community, it will have an impact. 1680 01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:47,839 That's all. Thank you. All right. Thank 1681 01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:59,189 you. Uh Mr. House, 1682 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:03,359 Matt House, 105 Woodland Avenue. Um I 1683 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,080 was thinking about the the bathrooms as 1684 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,159 well and what uh one of the gentlemen 1685 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,679 said about the insurance and it being uh 1686 01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:13,679 private property 1687 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:17,679 um owned and insured that way. And um 1688 01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:19,520 they are going to have to, you know, 1689 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,400 talk to their insurance agent and find 1690 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,520 out from the underwriters at the company 1691 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,040 um whether or not they can 1692 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,199 and if the insurance company will be 1693 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:35,920 able to insure them with a public 1694 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,000 247 bathroom like that. Um that that 1695 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,199 does change their underwriting. And so 1696 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,640 if if they were just to put it in and 1697 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,799 the insurance company finds out, they 1698 01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:50,880 may turn around and say, "Eh, we can't 1699 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,640 do this." Or their insurance rates 1700 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,440 jump way up and, you know, that's an 1701 01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,640 expense that they weren't looking for. 1702 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,679 So, you know, that that is a that is a 1703 01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:09,199 real concern. um you know so um I I 1704 01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,440 would say you know if if you're going to 1705 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,520 look into this call your insurance agent 1706 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,199 first get that answer. Um, and then the 1707 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:18,560 other thing I was thinking, you know, 1708 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,000 with that um with that tree that you 1709 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,880 were going to cut down, um, you know, 1710 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,640 could the the lumber be mil and use part 1711 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,000 of that lumber in the construction of, 1712 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,679 you know, maybe some of the beams on the 1713 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:39,440 outside or, you know, just using a part 1714 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:44,480 of what was cut down as, 1715 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,480 yeah, something in the building. I I 1716 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:48,080 think that'd be kind of cool. But 1717 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,280 >> so we actually did think about uh so we 1718 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,719 had the stream bank stabilization 1719 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,880 project and we talked about maybe trying 1720 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,640 to use the trees that we had to remove 1721 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,800 for that project and do what you've 1722 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800 suggested for this project. Uh and it 1723 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,800 sounds like you have to wait at least 1724 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,360 like couple of years for the wood to 1725 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:06,880 dry. So it doesn't sound like that would 1726 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,920 be feasible. Um, you know, Frank and I 1727 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,960 have talked in the past about 1728 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,280 potentially the burrow, you know, 1729 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,239 renting other portions of uh the PMA 1730 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,000 grounds that so we can do things like 1731 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,080 maintain the tennis court. Uh maybe I I 1732 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,520 would assume our insurance would cover 1733 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,960 that if we were to do something like 1734 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,400 that. And then the other thing too would 1735 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,360 be maybe we rent that space of the 1736 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,320 bathroom from the PMA [clears throat] 1737 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,080 and we put that on our insurance. But 1738 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,760 these are all conversations I'll have 1739 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,830 with Frank when the time comes. 1740 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,800 Mr. Schmidt, 1741 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,239 >> I also just want to say I don't think 1742 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,744 anybody expects a 24-hour bathroom. No, 1743 01:11:42,744 --> 01:11:43,040 [laughter] 1744 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,440 >> it's not Waw Wa, but just when people 1745 01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,199 are using the park. 1746 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,440 >> Yeah, I just I know we've had uh 1747 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:50,880 discussion about volunteers and 1748 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,480 volunteerism. And I know that's been a 1749 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:54,320 concern, but one group that I have not 1750 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,000 heard really um that we're going to be 1751 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,679 relying on is the Pale Battlefield 1752 01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:01,760 Preservation Fund um board. Um the PMA 1753 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,000 board is 11 members of which I believe 1754 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,920 I'm the youngest. However, the PBPF 1755 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,159 board um h I want to say at least half 1756 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,000 of those dozen or so members are younger 1757 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,000 than me and they are champing at the bit 1758 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,159 to be able to find places to volunteer 1759 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,239 and to spend their time and they love 1760 01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:17,280 their history. They're very 1761 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,760 enthusiastic. So, I know they're all 1762 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,199 looking forward to helping out with that 1763 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:22,080 as well. 1764 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,520 >> All right. Thank you. 1765 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,600 >> Uh sir with the white shirt, I don't 1766 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,040 know that we've met if you don't mind 1767 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,640 just stating your name for the uh 1768 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,199 meeting minutes. 1769 01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,440 Yeah, I'm Kevin Julie and I live on 1770 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,400 Remington Lane uh behind the memorial 1771 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,280 grounds. Uh and I want to say um we're 1772 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,280 fully in support of the center. Um we 1773 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:42,880 think they've done a great job. Uh we've 1774 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,719 had some discussions with Bill and Jim 1775 01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:48,320 and and Frank about the designs. Uh 1776 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,159 they've listened to our concerns. It's 1777 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,080 been a it's been a great process. And 1778 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,239 you raised the concerns of the residents 1779 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,640 of Melvin. There are neighbors, I think, 1780 01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,000 who would be very concerned to the 1781 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,880 burough staff about the plans. Um, and 1782 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,040 we're waiting for answers back on zoning 1783 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,360 and on emergency access. So, we hope 1784 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,120 that we'll get answers to those at some 1785 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,040 point in this process. Thanks. 1786 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,719 >> Thank you. All right. Anybody else? 1787 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:14,320 All right. Well, thank you and good job, 1788 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,520 Frank. And thank you everyone for uh 1789 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:29,750 chiming in. I appreciate it. 1790 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,280 All right. Uh with that, let's move on 1791 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:37,760 to our next uh agenda item, which is uh consider the 1792 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,600 application of DEFRA LLC for 1793 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,679 preliminary/final subdivision and land 1794 01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:44,000 development plan. Uh Wendy, do you want 1795 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,440 to take us through this? Or Dan, who do 1796 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,199 you think would be more appropriate? 1797 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:53,520 Um, well, I think I Dan, do you want to 1798 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,760 run through your f the letter you just 1799 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,360 did um a few days ago? 1800 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,600 >> Is that the best thing to to um 1801 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,840 >> that's fine. I'm happy to talk about the 1802 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,800 applicants here too um to uh to talk 1803 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:13,270 about it here. Um, 1804 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,760 so you want me to jump into my letter or 1805 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:16,880 you want to have them kind of introduce 1806 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,400 your job here? I know you guys are all 1807 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,080 familiar with it here. Tell me, tell me 1808 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,120 what you prefer, you guys. 1809 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,920 >> Uh, maybe maybe Mr. Carr would like to 1810 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,880 go ahead. you've um we've been through 1811 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,159 your letter a few times and maybe if he 1812 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,199 just goes if if council has questions 1813 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:34,880 about 1814 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,760 what he says about your letter then you 1815 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,560 can respond. Um I think that would 1816 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,800 probably be more efficient at at this 1817 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,280 point. So, if you want to go, if you 1818 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,159 want to talk about where you think you 1819 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:52,560 are in terms of compliance with 1820 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,280 everything, including Dan's most recent 1821 01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,480 letter, which had a a few items on it, 1822 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,679 um, and then you and Dan can field 1823 01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:07,920 questions as to the details of those. 1824 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,880 >> Thank you so much for being here 1825 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,040 tonight. My name is Owen Carr. I'm a 1826 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,520 member of Duffernar LLC, the developer 1827 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,120 of this project. Um, tonight we bring to 1828 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,440 you a 5,337 1829 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,360 square foot ground floor commercial with 1830 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,920 14 upper floor dwelling units located on 1831 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,960 King Street at Bridge Street. 1832 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,719 Um, we are proposing a 30 space parking 1833 01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:35,199 lot uh off Woodland Avenue in the rear 1834 01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,040 of the building. 1835 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,920 Um this is a plan that I think has been 1836 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,120 seen before, but this is a new 1837 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,239 application. Um we're coming to you 1838 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,920 today with a plan that has um no 1839 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,600 variances and I believe five waiverss um 1840 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,159 that were supported by the planning 1841 01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:58,000 commission with um conditions. Um we 1842 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,120 have support from the um shade tree 1843 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,120 commission for our work that we're doing 1844 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,120 along King Street to improve the 1845 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,000 streetscape. Um we have support from the 1846 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,800 Minne Fire Company um and have addressed 1847 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,440 concerns that they have regarding access 1848 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:17,760 and the ability to address fires. Um the 1849 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,360 waiverss that we requested from the 1850 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,960 planning commission um were of a minor 1851 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,679 nature and we uh went through them 1852 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:26,880 pretty carefully with the planning 1853 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,679 commission over several meetings um and 1854 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:32,719 I think worked through uh the details. 1855 01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:34,800 The main point I want to make tonight is 1856 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,280 that throughout this project, our goal 1857 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,679 has been listening to the community. We 1858 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:42,400 were looking at a blank piece of land 1859 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,239 that was a real eyesore at the base of 1860 01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:46,080 Brid Street. And my father and I said, 1861 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,199 you know, we want to give something back 1862 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,800 to the burrow. We want to have a 1863 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,400 statement piece. When people drive over 1864 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,640 Brid Street and into the burrow, there's 1865 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,840 something that the burrow can be proud 1866 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,760 of rather than a vacant lot. Um, and 1867 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,239 through the process, we've decreased the 1868 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,320 number of units. We've oriented the 1869 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,120 parking. We've changed buffers. We've 1870 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,120 done a numerous numerous changes. Every 1871 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,640 time we received a comment, we took it 1872 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,840 in. We listened and we made improvements 1873 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,560 we feel to the plan that we have today. 1874 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,679 Um so I'm happy to walk through Dan's 1875 01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:20,400 letter. I think um of the open design 1876 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,560 items, everything has been addressed 1877 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,600 that I'm aware of Dan. Um but we can 1878 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,520 certainly go through it in in detail. Um 1879 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,960 the uh waiverss that were requested and 1880 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,760 recommended for approval by the um 1881 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,400 planning commission have to do with the 1882 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,920 application being viewed as a 1883 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,600 preliminary 1884 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,000 which is a pretty common request that is 1885 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,280 made. There is another variance waiver 1886 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,440 that was requested regarding the cartway 1887 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,080 width of King Street. Um given the 1888 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,080 nature of the road, there is a part of 1889 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,159 the ordinance that would require greater 1890 01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,719 setback than what we have proposed. As a 1891 01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:00,800 result, we're trying to keep in the 1892 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,040 character of the burrow and it would set 1893 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,719 the building further back than any other 1894 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,320 building on King Street to a buildout 1895 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,640 width that would never be done in that 1896 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,640 part of the burrow um in given its 1897 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,600 historic nature. Uh we have also 1898 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,480 requested a waiver um regarding curb 1899 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,640 height. The current ordinance requires 1900 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,480 an 8 inch curb height which is greater 1901 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,360 than the recommended ANIE step height of 1902 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,080 seven inches um and is really I think a 1903 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,800 result of former um use of milling and 1904 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,520 graving before paving um which is no 1905 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,080 longer really done um because now you 1906 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,320 mill in lie of of paving over and over. 1907 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,120 So, we're requesting a a waiver from 1908 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,120 that. And then the the tree waiver I 1909 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,239 mentioned as well, due to the 1910 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,159 limitations of the existing building at 1911 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,920 the corner of King and Woodland being up 1912 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,000 against the sidewalk, we don't have the 1913 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,920 ability to install the required street 1914 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,400 trees there. So, we went and worked with 1915 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,640 the Shade Tree Commission and we're uh 1916 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,400 going to do a sort of pilot program for 1917 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,000 the Shade Tree Commission to introduce 1918 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000 something called a Silva cell system, 1919 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,159 which is a root management system. So 1920 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,080 our hope is that through the use of this 1921 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:07,840 root management system, we'll be able to 1922 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,640 keep the sidewalks in their intended 1923 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,800 condition, the Silva cell system helps 1924 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,960 direct the root systems down rather than 1925 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,040 up and heaving the sidewalk and creating 1926 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,040 tripping hazards. So the shade tree 1927 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,560 commission is really excited to see how 1928 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,360 that program works and and uh how we are 1929 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,360 able to implement it and approving. And 1930 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,000 then the final um waiver had to do with 1931 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,440 the grading against the property line 1932 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,920 just because of some um limitations we 1933 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,440 have on slope. And then the final um 1934 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:36,800 item had to do with the stormwater 1935 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,199 management ordinance. And um while we 1936 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,040 have an on-site storm water management 1937 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,600 system designed to handle uh backto-back 1938 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,800 hundredyear storms, uh there is no um 1939 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,719 public storm sewer in the area as the 1940 01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,640 parcel is probably the highest point in 1941 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,880 King Street there. Um and so we'll 1942 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,280 require um if there ever were 1943 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,880 backto-back hundredyear storms and we 1944 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,640 were to exceed our on-site storage, 1945 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,640 there's a bubble up that would flow uh 1946 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,560 following the natural path of water onto 1947 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,920 Woodland and then King Street and then 1948 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,120 down. So there's a waiver that's been 1949 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,199 requested for that as well. 1950 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,920 >> All right. Um All right. with that. Dan, 1951 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,920 did you have any feedback for us in 1952 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,400 terms of I guess I don't necessarily 1953 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,840 need you to read the letter or anything, 1954 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,280 but 1955 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,280 >> those are the key items here that 1956 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:24,719 introduction to the job. I think um I 1957 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,080 think applicant did a good job with that 1958 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,719 and spelled out the waiverss um and uh 1959 01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,239 the only thing is the uh the planning 1960 01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:31,360 commission had made a couple 1961 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,760 recommendations um uh for some 1962 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,239 conditions on theirs also um that uh was 1963 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,000 in your packet here and I'm happy to 1964 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,679 discuss those if they if you feel 1965 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:40,719 necessary for that. 1966 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:41,360 >> Um 1967 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,960 >> I know you've seen them all. Yeah, we've 1968 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,960 seen them, but uh I guess for the 1969 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,400 interest of the public, maybe we'll 1970 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,280 discuss them. 1971 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,880 >> Okay, so I'll jump over to that waiver 1972 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,560 here. I'm sorry, their the 1973 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,750 recommendation. 1974 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,000 » Well, I just just want to clarify, Dan, 1975 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,280 are you are you in since it's hard to 1976 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,440 read the what's up on the screen, I've 1977 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:07,360 read it. You've read it. is are are you 1978 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,640 um agreeing that pretty much all of the 1979 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,199 things that you have brought up in your 1980 01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:19,360 prior reviews have been satisfied 1981 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,280 in terms of um you know whatever in 1982 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,640 terms of the storm water and the uh I 1983 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,040 think the one of the prior waiver 1984 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,560 requests had to do with a turning radius 1985 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,040 and that's no longer on the lists, 1986 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,760 right? 1987 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,640 >> Correct. 1988 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,000 >> And um 1989 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,400 >> radi was on the a former plan that's no 1990 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,159 longer in play. Correct. 1991 01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,239 >> Yep. And um they've done the truck 1992 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,239 turning templates for the access in and 1993 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:47,679 out of the site has been that was a big 1994 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:50,080 issue of making sure that vehicles can 1995 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,080 get in and uh turn around within the 1996 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,159 property and not require to back out 1997 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,639 onto the site. Uh that's been uh that's 1998 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,400 been looked at and the tr truck turning 1999 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,400 templates have been reviewed um and 2000 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,239 approved by both our office and the 2001 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,159 traffic engineer. Um, so that was one of 2002 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:05,520 the big items. They'll have to do a 2003 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,679 shared uh driveway access easement 2004 01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:09,199 because there are two lots associated 2005 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:11,520 with this property and uh so they'll 2006 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,080 have a shared access agreement to uh to 2007 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,159 use the parking lot. Um that will get 2008 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,400 reviewed and approved by the solicitor. 2009 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,280 Um 2010 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,440 the uh parking from a zoning point of 2011 01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,719 view here, the the uh the proposed uh 2012 01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:29,520 unit count and the commercial space um 2013 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,600 meets the required parking requirements 2014 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,280 that without requiring any uh use of 2015 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,880 off- streetet parking to count towards 2016 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,360 the credit. That was a really big 2017 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,400 street, right? 2018 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,159 >> That's that's another 2019 01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,080 >> thing that's off that that's a change 2020 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,400 from 2021 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,400 >> that was that was a change. So they they 2022 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,480 are not asking to utilize um any of the 2023 01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:52,719 on street parking as credit for the 2024 01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:54,719 parking requirements to meet the 2025 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,600 ordinance. Um so that's been modified 2026 01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:03,280 and adjusted here throughout the process here. Um 2027 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,120 they've met all the landscape buffering 2028 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,159 requirements here uh associated with the 2029 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:12,000 project here. Um we did ask for a um uh 2030 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000 to update a storm water conveyance 2031 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,239 system. They with the modification they 2032 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:17,840 made in the parking lot recently for a 2033 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,400 handicap, they added another inlet in 2034 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,639 and uh I one of my comments was to 2035 01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:24,320 update the stormwater report to show the 2036 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,040 conveyance piping uh within that report 2037 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,199 design of that. I've worked offline with 2038 01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,639 the applicant. Uh they haven't made the 2039 01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,320 official submission into the burrow yet, 2040 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,719 but they provided me a copy of that and 2041 01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:36,480 it appears to be acceptable. So I'm okay 2042 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,920 with the storm water design. There are 2043 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,480 not any outstanding stormwater comments. 2044 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,520 Um so uh so no the majority of the uh 2045 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,800 the items um um are uh or the design 2046 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,960 related items are have been addressed uh 2047 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,920 per the ordinance requirements um um 2048 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,320 here for uh for in my opinion in my 2049 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,120 review. 2050 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,960 >> Okay. So if if I were if I was 2051 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:04,239 instructed to write uh a a denial, is 2052 01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:08,320 there anything in your letter that would 2053 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,880 make it that I could hang a hat on or is 2054 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,280 everything as far as engineering and 2055 01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,320 design things are concerned? Is does the 2056 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,080 plan now meet the objective standards of 2057 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,560 the zoning and subdivision and land 2058 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,960 development ordinance? Yes, with the uh 2059 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,280 with the except for the the waivers 2060 01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,280 requested which are are pretty nominal 2061 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,719 uh from from that end. 2062 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:33,199 >> Right. Okay. 2063 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:36,000 >> The um planning commission um made a uh 2064 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,159 recommendation for the uh the project 2065 01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,280 here um uh subject to certain conditions 2066 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,800 that all waiverss um um uh be comply 2067 01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,960 with all the outstanding comments of uh 2068 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,440 our letter here. the waiverss be granted 2069 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,760 um and modified. I guess unless specific 2070 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,560 answers or or waiverss are granted um 2071 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,000 they should comply with all of our 2072 01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:01,040 letters um comments in our letters. Um 2073 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,480 uh there was a comment in here about the 2074 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:04,159 bureau uh related to the proposed 2075 01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:06,080 rightaway improvements prior to plan 2076 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,320 recordation. Uh they are dedicating some 2077 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,080 rightway along King Street. Um so 2078 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,320 they'll uh they'll be required to uh do 2079 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,080 a deed dedication for that strip of 2080 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,400 rightway. Um the uh the applicant um 2081 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,320 there was a condition in here that the 2082 01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,520 applicant um uh shall provide written 2083 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,360 correspondences from each utility 2084 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,440 company with facilities along East King 2085 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,000 Street identifying the ownership of the 2086 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,159 overhead utility and communication lines 2087 01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:33,679 whether underground relocation is 2088 01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,600 feasible and whether relocation 2089 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,920 protection or modification is required 2090 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,800 to accommodate um emergency apparatus um 2091 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,960 access. uh the bureau engineer and the 2092 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,880 fire company shall receive copies of all 2093 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,800 utility responses uh for review. So um 2094 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,040 there's been some discussion here for uh 2095 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,920 this application here about um the uh 2096 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,480 the overhead wires. There are I to best 2097 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,960 my knowledge there are Comcast and 2098 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,719 Verizon lines uh not electric lines um 2099 01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:05,600 uh along the uh property frontage um for 2100 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,360 those um the applicant has the desire to 2101 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,120 um remove them from an aesthetic point 2102 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,639 of view here. um fire company has um has looked at this and and would love to 2103 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:19,040 have them out of the way here too, but 2104 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,560 um there's no ordinance requirements 2105 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,000 that can do that and those are going to 2106 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,679 be dictated whether or not the utility 2107 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:26,080 companies will allow them to be put in 2108 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,920 the ground. As many of the council 2109 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,320 members are aware, um we tried that 2110 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,560 exercise with the east side flats and uh 2111 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,400 the utility companies rejected, that was 2112 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,880 Pico in particular, rejected um the the applicant from uh putting those 2113 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,639 underground. they did not choose, they 2114 01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:43,440 did not want them underground. Um, by 2115 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:44,880 discussions with the applicant, they 2116 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,480 would like to have that from from a 2117 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,239 project perspective. Uh, but that's 2118 01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,679 going to be dictated whether or not the 2119 01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:51,600 utility companies uh will allow that to 2120 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,480 occur. 2121 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,800 >> And these are just Comcast and Verizon. 2122 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:55,199 You said 2123 01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:56,639 >> Comcast and Verizon is the best 2124 01:26:56,639 --> 01:26:58,719 liability. The electrics on the opposite 2125 01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,040 side of the street and so um they're not 2126 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,920 electrified wiring here. 2127 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,679 >> Yeah. with with the caveat that there 2128 01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:08,000 are other utilities that have rights and 2129 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,679 that becomes our sticking point because 2130 01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:10,880 there are 2131 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,159 >> those polls were originally I believe 2132 01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,080 put up by belic and you know belic no 2133 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,440 longer exists but their successor and 2134 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,040 subsidiaries still hold certain 2135 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,239 privileges and 2136 01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:19,280 >> and that's what we're trying to 2137 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,080 navigate. 2138 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,760 >> Okay. 2139 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,400 Um, the applicant also suggested uh I'm 2140 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,920 sorry, the planning commission also 2141 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,840 suggested that a traffic impact and 2142 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,000 pedestrian safety evaluation addressing 2143 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,320 the proposed street rightway, pedestrian 2144 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,080 circulation, sidewalk connectivity, 2145 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,639 crosswalks, emergency vehicle operation, 2146 01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:38,400 loading and delivery movements, and site 2147 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,840 distances associated with the 2148 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,239 development. Um, and then any 2149 01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,320 recommendations affected by the proposed 2150 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,000 rideway or public improvements shall be 2151 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,760 incorporated into the final plans to the 2152 01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,320 satisfaction of the burough engineer. Um 2153 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,000 that was one of their conditions uh that 2154 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,480 they had listed on there and they also 2155 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,679 uh had a condition that the uh um plan 2156 01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:00,320 uh prior to the plan recordation they'll 2157 01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,320 update the storm water report which I 2158 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:03,840 have been working with the applicant on 2159 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,840 and have uh and have found that to be 2160 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,520 satisfactory for what's been submitted 2161 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,040 here 2162 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,239 >> terms of traffic study. Uh does this 2163 01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:13,440 maybe this is more of a question for 2164 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:16,320 Wendy's or maybe it is for you uh Dan. 2165 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,639 Is this something that a project of the 2166 01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:20,639 size normally does? Is it something we 2167 01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:24,000 can compel the applicant to do? Is it 2168 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,719 legal legally viable? So the ordinance, 2169 01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:28,880 your current uh ordinance right now as 2170 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,400 is written today does not have a 2171 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,280 provision for this um uh to require that 2172 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,480 as a as a mandatory requirement. um from 2173 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:39,760 a uh talking with a traffic engineer um 2174 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,159 uh and being involved with projects with 2175 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:44,400 traffic studies in the past. Um the 2176 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,719 typical PennDOT project if this King 2177 01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:48,960 Street happened to be a Pendot road or 2178 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,440 um involved with a PennDOT intersection 2179 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,639 um uh this project is sized um does not 2180 01:28:54,639 --> 01:28:56,639 uh would not require a traffic study to 2181 01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,880 be completed uh because of the number of 2182 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,520 peak daily trip peak hourly trips that 2183 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,239 are anticipated for the for 14 units in 2184 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,159 the commercial space. Um so the 2185 01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,719 ordinance uh doesn't require that. Um 2186 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:10,719 the applicant did as part of a previous 2187 01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:14,080 application um do u um kind of a traffic 2188 01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,120 assessment here um back in June of of 2189 01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,880 2025 that did address um the anticipated 2190 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,080 uh um traffic uh peak peak hourly rates 2191 01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,560 and traffic movements um and that was 2192 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,400 reviewed by the uh by the burough 2193 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,760 traffic engineer. Um part of this uh 2194 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,000 application process has been sight 2195 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,600 distance analysis has already been 2196 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,920 completed for the driveway. Um been 2197 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,560 reviewed and approved. Um the loading 2198 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,320 and delivery movements have been looked 2199 01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,560 at um extensively here through the land 2200 01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,080 development process with the planning 2201 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,080 commission. Um emergency vehicle 2202 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,920 operations have been reviewed and looked 2203 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,400 at um by the fire department. Um 2204 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,280 sidewalk connectivity. Um uh they we 2205 01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,800 looked at the crosswalks. they're going 2206 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,400 to be as part of this project to 2207 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,040 proposing um traffic on pedestrian 2208 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,400 improvements around King Street 2209 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,199 intersection. Um and uh they've also 2210 01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:07,040 designed handicap ramps at the driveway 2211 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,440 crossing um for this. So a lot of these 2212 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:13,040 items were um addressed as part of the 2213 01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,480 um uh part of the uh land development 2214 01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,480 process here that was uh that was 2215 01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:20,320 reviewed by the traffic engineer and our 2216 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,000 office. And just to key off what Dan was 2217 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,600 saying as feedback that we received from 2218 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,600 this council, uh we are improving the 2219 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:26,880 intersection of King and Bridge. 2220 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,880 There'll be new crosswalks on all 2221 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,159 locations crossing King in two places as 2222 01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:33,840 shown on the plan and then crossing 2223 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,400 bridges one. Uh all those uh landings 2224 01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,080 will be updated to uh all the new 2225 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,040 landings be updated to ADA standards. Um 2226 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,120 and the burrow has requested that 2227 01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:44,719 special uh pavement markings be 2228 01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:46,560 provided. So, we feel that we're making 2229 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,400 a a large contribution to the safety of 2230 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,400 King Street by by improving that that 2231 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,520 intersection from a pedestrian 2232 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,000 standpoint. 2233 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,600 >> Yeah. As far the legal standpoint, um 2234 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,520 because, you know, I don't come to all 2235 01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,840 these meetings, but I sometimes watch 2236 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,080 them and I, you know, I'm generally 2237 01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,760 aware of what's going on, but and and 2238 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,040 any project in the bureau, this traffic 2239 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:13,679 question always comes up. And there's a 2240 01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:16,400 couple things that I just want to make 2241 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:21,280 clear. Um there are not 2242 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:26,159 standards that we can um look at any 2243 01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:29,120 report and say, "Oh, well that's going 2244 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,719 to be that's going to be too much 2245 01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:32,800 traffic or that's okay or whatever." 2246 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,679 There's um in the in the pendot world 2247 01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:37,920 there's things called levels of service 2248 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,120 that and if you're you know there's ABC 2249 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:45,440 D um and often um you know a traffic 2250 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,000 report will say well it's level of 2251 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,199 service F now and it's going to be level 2252 01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,760 of service F later. There's nothing 2253 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,199 lower than F. So um and there's no 2254 01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:02,159 standards that um we have available to 2255 01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:03,679 say 2256 01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:07,040 that um you know it'll people will have 2257 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:11,040 to wait 20 seconds longer to make a turn 2258 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,719 or cross the street. We can't make a 2259 01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:18,480 denial based on some on 2260 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:22,239 um something that doesn't have a a very 2261 01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,480 objective standard. Now, in some 2262 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:27,600 municipalities, like most notably here, 2263 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,040 West Whiteland, they have gone through a 2264 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,360 very long process, a very expensive 2265 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,360 process to create something called a um 2266 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,080 traffic impact 2267 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,239 fee thing. I forget the name of the 2268 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:46,320 statute, but um developers in in West 2269 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,000 Whiteland 2270 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,639 um may be required to um do certain 2271 01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:55,040 things. based on a plan that was 2272 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,719 developed after a whole separate process 2273 01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:01,199 from the subdivision land development 2274 01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:04,400 procedure. And the reason for that is 2275 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,480 that 2276 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:08,800 under the municipality's planning code 2277 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,560 and the case law, if there's an existing 2278 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,320 problem in the municipality, whatever it 2279 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:21,760 may be, a U developer coming in cannot 2280 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,920 be made to fix all of the existing 2281 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,280 problems. You can't make them do that. 2282 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,760 And if you have the traffic impact 2283 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,280 study, you can ask for a fee um which is 2284 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,280 calculated according to this big 2285 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,159 expensive study that says, well, okay, 2286 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,159 you're going to increase increase 2287 01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:47,920 traffic by a thousand cars a day. So, we 2288 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,400 have this formula that we worked up 2289 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,960 using our big expensive study. And that 2290 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,880 means that you have to contribute $100 2291 01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,280 per rental unit to our traffic fee. So 2292 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,679 you can do that. Melvin doesn't have 2293 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:06,639 that. And I can pretty much tell you 2294 01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,960 that if Melvin tried to do that, it 2295 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,080 would be a failure because the burrow is 2296 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:17,760 too small. Um but you know, if you want us to do it, you know, let me know. 2297 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,080 It be make somebody a whole lot of 2298 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,600 money. So anyway, the short story is I 2299 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,360 know there have been a lot of concerns 2300 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,520 raised about traffic. I've but there is 2301 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:34,159 no lawful way to turn down this plan at 2302 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:38,080 this point based on anything having to 2303 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:42,159 do with traffic. There just isn't. So 2304 01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,560 that's all I have. And if anything, I 2305 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,440 think some of the improvements this 2306 01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:49,600 project provides, like I think you've 2307 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,840 agreed to straighten out the kink in 2308 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,080 King Street. Uh there's a bend. Uh 2309 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,239 that's one of the reasons why uh 2310 01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:58,400 visibility is kind of poor in that 2311 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,000 intersection of King and Bridge. So I 2312 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,199 think that would be a great improvement 2313 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,120 as well as, you know, potentially the 2314 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,199 crosswalk on the western, you know, 2315 01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:07,040 going north south on the western side to 2316 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,480 kind of make [clears throat] that box. 2317 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:11,280 So theoretically safety will be improved 2318 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,159 by some of these u recommendations in 2319 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,880 terms of the sidewalks and whatnot. 2320 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,000 Um any other questions from council? 2321 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,840 >> Yeah, [clears throat] 2322 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,159 the building the architecture that we 2323 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:25,120 see. 2324 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,000 >> Yes. 2325 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,320 >> This is a public meeting. Is that what 2326 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:32,000 we're going to see when it's built? 2327 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,840 >> As the architect of the project 2328 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:34,719 >> that look Yes. 2329 01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:38,400 >> and the developer. Yes. Our intent is to 2330 01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,480 deliver uh of course it's an artistic 2331 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:42,159 rendering and it's not going to be pixel 2332 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,320 for pixel but yes it's going to be a 2333 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,960 brick facade building with an elaborate 2334 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,080 cornice again our our hope was to echo 2335 01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,719 what used to be the hires factory that 2336 01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:54,320 was across the street that had very 2337 01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:55,920 similar architectural elements and we 2338 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,679 drew a lot of that in hoping to 2339 01:35:57,679 --> 01:35:58,960 incorporate this as well as other 2340 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,480 historic buildings further down on King 2341 01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:01,760 Street that include some of these 2342 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,080 elements as well. the bay windows. We're 2343 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,400 really trying to play to u Maver's 2344 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,960 historic character. And as like I said, 2345 01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,719 this is the gateway. We're heavily 2346 01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:14,400 invested in providing a a true gem for 2347 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,840 when you come over street. 2348 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,080 >> I only bring this up because we've had 2349 01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,360 other incidences where we saw something, 2350 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,239 but that's not what was built, 2351 01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:25,199 >> right? 2352 01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:27,840 >> And I'm not questioning, you know, but 2353 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,600 uh I'm glad to hear you're committed to 2354 01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,320 that. Thank you. And again, we're not a 2355 01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:33,520 developer who's going to be out of town 2356 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,520 tomorrow. We hold many properties in the 2357 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,199 burrow. I plan to hold these properties 2358 01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,440 for my lifetime. So, we're here to stay 2359 01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:40,800 and we want to deliver something that's 2360 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,159 quality. I'm a burough resident. I'm 2361 01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:43,679 going to see it every day. I want it to 2362 01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:46,400 look great, too. 2363 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,880 >> Right. Any other questions for from the 2364 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,229 rest of council? 2365 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,159 All right. Um, anything else, Dan, 2366 01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,719 before I open up for public comment? 2367 01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:57,760 >> All right. With that, we'll open it up 2368 01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,840 for public comment. Uh, Miss Daddy, 2369 01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,639 would you care to comment on the 2370 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:11,590 uh proposal? 2371 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,360 » Thank you everyone. My name is Cassandra 2372 01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,960 Dowy. I live at 145 Woodland Avenue 2373 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,400 right here in the burrow. And 2374 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,840 um, Mr. Car, I'm here to stay too. 2375 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:28,480 I've been here for almost 15 years. 2376 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:33,840 I raised my family here and um 2377 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,840 I guess let me just get to the point. 2378 01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:37,280 I'm really excited about this new 2379 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,000 burough council because this is a new 2380 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,080 opportunity for us to vote in favor of 2381 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,560 the residents to vote in favor of 2382 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,320 walkability, 2383 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,280 pedestrian safety, and small town 2384 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,719 livability. Um, 2385 01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:58,480 just wanted to do a to quote from the 2386 01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,600 summary of the walkability study from 2387 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,679 2015. 2388 01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:06,239 Seems like a long time ago, but the 2389 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:09,440 principles in that study still hold. 2390 01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:12,639 Quote, Mal presents itself to the world 2391 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:16,400 as a walking community, and we aspire to 2392 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,400 live up to that. 2393 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,400 So, I'm quoting from the walkability 2394 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,440 study because a lot of members from our 2395 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:27,040 community work very hard on it and it 2396 01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,440 was an important study and it the truths 2397 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:32,639 in that study still hold. The 2018 2398 01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:36,080 multimodality study, the truths in that 2399 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,719 study still hold. The 2022 comprehensive 2400 01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:44,080 plan for our community still hold. This 2401 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,239 plan for Duffren Maher does not line up 2402 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:51,119 with any of the principles in spirit to 2403 01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:54,550 those studies. 2404 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,679 So until there's an alignment 2405 01:38:57,679 --> 01:39:01,840 and until there's a true effort at from 2406 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,440 this builder to listen to the to listen 2407 01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:09,119 to the residents, I I'm not interested 2408 01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:11,920 in the safety at King and Bridge and all 2409 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,880 the work that you're doing there 2410 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,239 at the expense of the safety at the at 2411 01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:21,440 the um intersection of Roberts and 2412 01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:25,119 Woodland. So you have 300 to 500 new 2413 01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,239 traffic units 2414 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:32,000 based on the 5,000 square foot retail 2415 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,880 medical office space we don't know plus 2416 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,360 the 14 apartments 2417 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,960 going through that intersection every 2418 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,600 day 2419 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,239 driving by a school with 300 school 2420 01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:45,760 students 2421 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,800 who are not all 300 but they're either 2422 01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,280 being dropped off in cars school buses 2423 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,840 that are right on Woodland or that yes, 2424 01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:58,149 they are walking to school. 2425 01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:01,600 So, I'm planning on retiring here. I 2426 01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,679 have family member a family member with 2427 01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,600 a disability 2428 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,400 and I think that the 2429 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,199 legal amb ambiguity 2430 01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,040 even still 2431 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:16,960 regarding the upper floor dwelling units 2432 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,639 >> needs to be looked at. 2433 01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:21,199 >> Z finish your thoughts and 2434 01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:22,560 >> Okay. Thank you. 2435 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,719 >> And I'm just really excited about this 2436 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:26,639 final vote because I'm 2437 01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:28,159 >> I know you guys will all do the right 2438 01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:29,600 thing. Thank you so much. 2439 01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,119 >> Thank you. 2440 01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:39,350 >> Uh Miss Hus, 2441 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,320 » Shannon Hus, 105 Woodland. Um first I do 2442 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:43,679 want to just say the building does look 2443 01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:46,560 really nice. Um but I am bringing 2444 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,239 concerns about safety. I love that 2445 01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,000 you're going to help out on King Street. 2446 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,280 I think that is great, but we are 2447 01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,199 forgetting about woodland. We don't know 2448 01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:54,719 what the commercial space is going to 2449 01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:58,000 be. Kids I'm going to piggyback off of 2450 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,000 Cassandra because it is so important. 2451 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,320 Um, kids are playing all day. We also 2452 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,800 have a bus stop at the end of Woodland 2453 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,040 in the mornings. Um, sometimes twice 2454 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:08,800 depending for elementary as well as high 2455 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,880 school and middle school. Um, so kids 2456 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,480 are walking there early morning. It's 2457 01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:14,880 dark. It's going to be busy coming out. 2458 01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:18,320 We're also forgetting that he has 14 in 2459 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,880 this building and seven in the other 2460 01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,800 building. So that brings the total to 2461 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:28,400 21, not 19 with having one entrance. So 2462 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,440 we should have two. We're now combining 2463 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,760 these buildings together, which isn't 2464 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,199 okay. If we follow the plans, it should 2465 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:41,920 have two, not one. That would be safe. 2466 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,239 Also to bring up everybody coming out on 2467 01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:46,080 Woodland, it's going to be blocked. 2468 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,560 Everybody forgets about the buses. I 2469 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,440 will say St. Pat's just started. It is 2470 01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:54,159 blocked. It is It's hard for people on 2471 01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,920 Roberts to even get by. It's You can't 2472 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,000 Robert should be right now. I'm just 2473 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,760 bringing it up as safety. Especially if 2474 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,600 this does go through, you should really 2475 01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,239 look at Roberts as one way because it 2476 01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:07,920 isn't safe. You can't turn. You're 2477 01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:09,840 blocking. There's people all the way up 2478 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,199 on Woodland. people parked all sides. 2479 01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,920 You can't get by. Unfortunately, it's 2480 01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,119 not safe. Safety is key. Kids are out 2481 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:21,760 there riding bikes. All these cars 2482 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,040 coming. People go through the stop 2483 01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:24,719 signs. People come down Woodland the 2484 01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,840 wrong way every day. I could count every 2485 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,080 hour at least five cars coming down the 2486 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,480 wrong way. That's just right now. That's 2487 01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,520 not okay. It's unsafe. There's a school. 2488 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,040 Kids are outside playing, walking 2489 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,520 around, going to Randolph Woods. That's 2490 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:41,840 what our town is about. Yes, we want to 2491 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,600 grow and develop, but we need to do it 2492 01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,080 safe. We need to look at this project 2493 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,239 and we need to take a step back. If we 2494 01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:50,480 follow the rules and make it safe, then 2495 01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:53,199 it's okay. I do want to thank you for 2496 01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,280 listening to us with a lot of our 2497 01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,280 concerns. I do want to give you credit 2498 01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,760 for that. But we still have work on this 2499 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,440 project that we need to do when it comes 2500 01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:03,840 back to safety. And we are continuing to 2501 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,679 grow and it is about the children and 2502 01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,880 family here. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 2503 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,870 Buckley. 2504 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,880 » This is not against you, but I don't 2505 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:19,040 want to say so. Um, I'm just going to It 2506 01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:20,880 may sound against you, but this is the 2507 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,520 whole point. Um, all right. 2508 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,639 All this stuff about this, these people 2509 01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:29,040 wouldn't be fighting. He gets what he 2510 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,440 wants if you just put a light at that 2511 01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:34,159 bridge before some kids get there. And 2512 01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,639 if we can get the light for free and it 2513 01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:39,280 ain't costing him, he gets what he want. 2514 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,199 And these people out here get what they 2515 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,679 want because all the traffic when they 2516 01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,840 come out of his property, they're going 2517 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,400 to come up to Robert and nine out of 10, 2518 01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,800 I bet you they go down to um Wooden to 2519 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,119 First Avenue. If I'm wrong, I'll 2520 01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,600 apologize, but prove me wrong first. And 2521 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,920 traffic studies, they ain't know been 2522 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,920 those traffic. When was the last traffic 2523 01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,520 stud? Like 10 years ago. Five at least. 2524 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,159 Yes, it was because you can't get a 2525 01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:07,760 traffic light at the bridge and that's 2526 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,920 more light more traffic at the bridge 2527 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,880 and when they come over that bridge it's 2528 01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,639 going to take a villa girl to get hit 2529 01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:17,119 because you never put a sidewalk on that 2530 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:19,440 side of the bridge to let that people on 2531 01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:24,239 Woodland Avenue like her cross on that side of the bridge. It's a safety 2532 01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:25,280 issue there. 2533 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,040 >> I'll be back. 2534 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,679 >> All right. So, I think Mr. car has 2535 01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:32,800 already done a study with the larger the 2536 01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,360 prior plan with more units and that 2537 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:38,000 intersection at bridg and king public 2538 01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,440 safety subcommittee has looked at that 2539 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,840 we had our traffic engineer look at that 2540 01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,920 we determined that the flow of traffic 2541 01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:45,920 would be better can't remember exactly 2542 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,000 what it was maybe moving southbound from 2543 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,000 bridge onto King uh but traffic in 2544 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,760 general wouldn't be improved in terms of 2545 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,159 speediness uh and we believe that it 2546 01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:00,239 would actually, like I mentioned 2547 01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,400 earlier, create more of a safety problem 2548 01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,199 for pedestrians at that intersection 2549 01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,600 with a light. There a time may come 2550 01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,199 where we may put the flashing lights 2551 01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:11,119 that were similar to in front of East 2552 01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,760 Side Flats at that intersection. We have 2553 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,960 concerns about uh the reliability of 2554 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,600 them. The ones that we currently use 2555 01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,760 fail all the time uh and then they 2556 01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,600 become even more unsafe, right? So, 2557 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,760 we're looking into trying to make them 2558 01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,880 better. But John, we've discussed this 2559 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,560 with you at every meeting you attend. 2560 01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,600 So, thank you for your comment. 2561 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,400 >> Don't work there. 2562 01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:35,520 >> Miss Ruts, 2563 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:36,800 >> they don't work. 2564 01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,280 >> Mr. Buckley, you had your opportunity. 2565 01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,600 Mr. Buckley, please stop interrupting. 2566 01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,679 >> Barbara Ruts, Monument Avenue. I would 2567 01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,639 just like to first of all thank the cars 2568 01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:48,480 for the tremendous amount of work that 2569 01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,639 they've taken the time to do with over a 2570 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:54,000 year and changing as many things as 2571 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,440 they've changed. Um, I one of the other 2572 01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:00,400 speakers I would just like to say 2573 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,719 Wendy said that we can't require a 2574 01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:05,040 builder to fix problems that are already 2575 01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,520 there. And what I hear is that the 2576 01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,360 traffic on Roberts is horrendous with 2577 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,840 the school buses. It's not this building 2578 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,520 that's going to be causing any more 2579 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,600 problems than what there already are. 2580 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:18,320 And I think since you'll be considering 2581 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,639 voting on this, I would just like to say 2582 01:46:20,639 --> 01:46:23,360 I think that he's done a tremendous job. 2583 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,360 I like the way it looks. He's made it 2584 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:26,880 smaller. 2585 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,400 I don't think that it's going to cause a 2586 01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,840 whole lot more problems than there 2587 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:33,840 already are. And I think we should work 2588 01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,719 on fixing the problems that there are, 2589 01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:40,159 not um turning down somebody who really 2590 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:42,719 has a vested interest in Malvin. It's 2591 01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:45,760 not like somebody coming in that did 2592 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,119 another big development here. and he's 2593 01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,040 big enough that he didn't listen to 2594 01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,880 anybody, made promises, didn't quite 2595 01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,679 live up to his promises. He lives here, 2596 01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:01,119 but I I just think that these are people 2597 01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:02,639 that live here and have a vested 2598 01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:04,000 interest and they don't want the 2599 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,520 community to be awful and I would say 2600 01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,159 that I support them and I think we 2601 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:13,040 should work some other way on fixing the 2602 01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,040 traffic problems that we have because we 2603 01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,800 have a lot and they're not just right 2604 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,239 there. 2605 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,880 Thank you. And I'm sure everyone's aware 2606 01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:25,119 this town existed before we had cars, 2607 01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:28,080 giant SUVs, right? I mean, this was a 2608 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,639 town with horse and buggy, right? And 2609 01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:32,800 carriages. And so, you know, our roads 2610 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,000 weren't designed for this. That 2611 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,760 intersection, one of the reasons why 2612 01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,679 it's tough is because the flying pig is 2613 01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:39,760 so close to that intersection. And you 2614 01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,719 know, where you approach uh modern cars, 2615 01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:44,560 what that front beam in your car that 2616 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:45,679 supports the windshield, it's called the 2617 01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:47,440 A-pillar. We know that there's a blind 2618 01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:49,360 spot there and hopefully this project 2619 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,480 when they iron out the kink in uh King 2620 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,400 Street, hopefully it improves visibility 2621 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,480 and people can see traffic on Bridge 2622 01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:58,239 Street from King and aren't blinded 2623 01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,639 with, you know, by not being able to see 2624 01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,719 through their apillar of their car. So, 2625 01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:04,800 we know we have issues and we're doing 2626 01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,199 what we can to solve them. Uh, and I 2627 01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:08,800 know that Roberts, I believe there was 2628 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,480 parking on both sides of the street and 2629 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:12,159 when I first got on council, we removed 2630 01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:13,760 some of the parking on the one side to 2631 01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,119 try to improve it. So, we're doing our 2632 01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:20,239 best. Mr. Petty John, 2633 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:21,600 >> we're going to make my way up here 2634 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,920 again. Harry P Street. Um, yes, the cars 2635 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,960 have done a lot of work um to make the 2636 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,000 changes that were required. Um, wasn't 2637 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,840 out of the goodness of their hearts. It 2638 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,320 was mandated. Um, however, um, we're not 2639 01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,280 there yet. Uh, and the safety is a 2640 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,239 problem. And while you can't for tell a 2641 01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:46,000 builder that they have to fix an 2642 01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,719 existing problem, that is correct and 2643 01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:50,719 doesn't always happen. Other townships 2644 01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:53,840 take advantage. Um, [clears throat] but 2645 01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,480 they're not at the 2646 01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,119 requirement yet. There's still too too 2647 01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,920 many units. And if they go down to 2648 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:03,760 what's 2649 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,840 the requirement, then there is nothing 2650 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,920 else to do. 2651 01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,080 But they're not there. They still have 2652 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:11,840 too many units. 2653 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,800 and the square footage of the commercial 2654 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,679 space. While that has a traffic count 2655 01:49:17,679 --> 01:49:20,960 that's uh allotted for what will end up 2656 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,920 happening is when the cars find tenants, 2657 01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,360 a tenant has to come in for their 2658 01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,520 permits and then they have to come in 2659 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:28,719 for their variant. They're going to 2660 01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:30,239 they're we're going to have to give them 2661 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,239 waiverss because maybe it's a high 2662 01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:35,920 traffic business like a medical place um 2663 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,679 or maybe a restaurant that doesn't have 2664 01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:39,920 enough parking. We don't know that yet. 2665 01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,320 That's an unknown. So that's why we have 2666 01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,239 a lot of these rules to try to 2667 01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:45,920 accommodate for those unknowns. That's 2668 01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,639 why he's two too many apartments. Just 2669 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:51,199 is I think you still need to cut it. 2670 01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:52,800 Owen, I think you need to cut it to 2671 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,560 apartments. And then you're within the 2672 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,639 zoning. There's nothing left to do. But 2673 01:49:56,639 --> 01:49:59,040 that that's this council's job to hold 2674 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,800 them to what our current ordinance is. 2675 01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,040 It is our current zone zoning ordinance. 2676 01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:06,400 Or they have to have two driveways, 2677 01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,760 which they you can't. So get it down to 2678 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,360 the right number. 2679 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:11,679 >> Thank you. 2680 01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:13,280 >> All right. Thank you. And just the 2681 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,679 record, they are not the or the waiverss 2682 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,080 they're requesting are preliminary final 2683 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:20,080 plan being the same. Correct me then if 2684 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,760 I'm wrong. Uh King Street cartway width, 2685 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,040 right, which they're we're not going to 2686 01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,840 widen King Street. The curb height, so 2687 01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,400 it conforms to the same curb heights. 2688 01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,560 Street trees, which the shade tree 2689 01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,119 commission is okay with. Property line 2690 01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:36,320 grading, which it sounds like you're 2691 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,880 okay with. in the storm water which they 2692 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,199 have no way to correct because there's 2693 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:44,080 no storm sewers on King right there's 2694 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,440 nothing about size there's nothing about 2695 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:49,760 number of units there's nothing about 2696 01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,280 they're okay with number of parking 2697 01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,920 spaces correct uh they don't they aren't 2698 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:59,199 requesting a waiver uh to have two 2699 01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,520 you know they don't require two 2700 01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,840 ingresses and egresses right they're the waiverss I described are the only 2701 01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:07,520 things that We are considering. 2702 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,159 >> Yes. So, yes. So, is that So, sorry if 2703 01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:11,280 we're having a conversation. I like to 2704 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:11,840 have a conversation. 2705 01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,119 >> No, I'm asking Dan. I 2706 01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:14,400 >> Okay. Well, you were seem like you're 2707 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:15,280 rebutting what I was saying. 2708 01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:16,719 >> No, I'm just making sure everyone is 2709 01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:18,080 aware of what it is. 2710 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,080 >> Well, then then I do believe when the 2711 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,800 planning commission sent their their approval with the traffic study 2712 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,040 being has to be done was because of the 2713 01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,320 size and the volume because we just 2714 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:29,920 don't know what the unit count is. It is 2715 01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,679 a lot of cars. There's a lot of cars 2716 01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:33,199 going on oneway street in front of a 2717 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:37,199 school. and to just be like, "Oh well, 2718 01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:42,719 we have traffic. Oh well, that's that's irresponsible on our end." 2719 01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:44,239 Thanks. 2720 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:58,149 All right. Uh, Mr. McCain, 2721 01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:03,280 Stacy Petty, John, 139 Church Street. 2722 01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,360 Justice is the recognition of rights 2723 01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,840 that exist by nature. Certain rights 2724 01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,000 exist before any ordinance or council 2725 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,719 vote. They are recognized, not invented. 2726 01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:14,800 When a legal system treats those rights 2727 01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,040 as gifts it can redefine at will, 2728 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,040 justice becomes whatever the stronger 2729 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,360 party can impose. 2730 01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,400 Fairness is the working rule that makes 2731 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,440 justice visible. Like cases are treated 2732 01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:30,159 alike. that the same standard applies to 2733 01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,239 the citizen and the official, the 2734 01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:35,360 applicant and the objector. Fairness is 2735 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,159 not that everyone gets the same outcome. 2736 01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,560 It is that no one is measured by a 2737 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,199 secret ruler. Liberty is in the 2738 01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:46,480 security, the the predictability of law 2739 01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:48,320 and the knowledge that officials 2740 01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,199 themselves are bound. Without that, 2741 01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:53,840 liberty is only a slogan. The three 2742 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,159 belong together. Rights that cannot be 2743 01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:58,960 secured are not rights in practice. A 2744 01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,199 process that is not fair cannot secure 2745 01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:05,199 them. That is the test on Duffare. Judge 2746 01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:07,440 Verway's ruling allowed this matter to 2747 01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:09,440 start a new and required that the word 2748 01:53:09,440 --> 01:53:12,560 create be given its proper meaning. This 2749 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,679 application creates new apartments on an 2750 01:53:15,679 --> 01:53:19,199 assemblage that already holds seven. It 2751 01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:22,719 creates added commercial. It creates new 2752 01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:25,520 traffic on King and Woodland. You are 2753 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,400 not required to allow the two extra 2754 01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,880 apartments Duffer More is still asking. 2755 01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,440 You are required to apply the zoning 2756 01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:36,480 ordinance and the SAO as written. A true 2757 01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,639 traffic study before any commitment is 2758 01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:41,280 not a courtesy. It is the evidence the 2759 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,159 same rule demands. A study deferred 2760 01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:46,480 letters deferred until after the burrow 2761 01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:48,719 is already bound is a different ruler 2762 01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:51,360 for this applicant. To allow more 2763 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,199 apartments than what the code permits 2764 01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,840 and to skip the traffic study the code 2765 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,280 exists to compel is an abortion of our 2766 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:02,320 existing laws and of the power that the 2767 01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:05,920 people of this town invested in you not 2768 01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,480 to manage a project around the ordinance 2769 01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:10,800 but to secure the ordinance for everyone 2770 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,080 who must live with the result. Does this 2771 01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,480 process secure the rights under the same 2772 01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:19,199 rule for everyone or does it merely 2773 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:22,239 manage them? Please hold Duffer more to 2774 01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:25,280 the laws we already have. Thank you. 2775 01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,280 >> Thank you. Do we have anyone else who 2776 01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,239 would care to make public comment? 2777 01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:37,750 All right. Uh ma'am 2778 01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,040 » and please state your name for the 2779 01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,119 minutes. 2780 01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:43,760 Um, my name is Cindy Curry. I live at 2781 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,239 135 Woodland. 2782 01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:48,159 And I think most of what's need to be 2783 01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,560 said uh has been said, but I'll say one 2784 01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:55,840 more thing. So, with 30 parking spaces, 2785 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,400 14 apartments, 2786 01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:00,719 assuming two people will live in each or 2787 01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:03,280 pretty close to that. And assuming 2788 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,560 they'll be paying a decent rent, um, 2789 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:07,920 they're probably going to have assigned 2790 01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:09,599 parking. Or at least I would want that. 2791 01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:11,440 It's a tenant. 2792 01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,520 So, we're looking at 28 spaces 2793 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,360 gone now for the people that live there. 2794 01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,000 So, that leaves two spaces 2795 01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,679 for 5,000 square ft of retail shoppers, 2796 01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:26,880 people that work there. 2797 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,760 Where are they going to park? Well, 2798 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,119 probably not on monument. So, 2799 01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:35,199 well, they might. And if it's too much, 2800 01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:36,400 I am sure we'll 2801 01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,320 >> For the record, ma'am, uh you can't 2802 01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:39,599 address the 2803 01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:40,880 >> public. You have to address Bur County. 2804 01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:45,520 >> Sorry about that. Um so again, 30 2805 01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,400 parking spaces, 28 of them will be gone 2806 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,940 for the people that live there and two 2807 01:55:50,940 --> 01:55:52,560 [clears throat] remaining. So they're 2808 01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,679 going to be parked on Woodland, on 2809 01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:59,840 Roberts, etc., etc. It's it's not 2810 01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:05,119 responsible. It's too big. It's a prime 2811 01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:07,280 spot of real estate. I'm sure a lot of 2812 01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,800 developers would love to have that spot. 2813 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,760 It's a beautiful building. It's the same 2814 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,440 photo that's been up since the 2815 01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,360 beginning. 2816 01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,679 So, maybe less apartments, but it's 2817 01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:24,239 still too big. And we that live here and 2818 01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:27,360 our children that live close to that are 2819 01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:30,400 the ones that are affected. people that 2820 01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,080 work there and shop there have to have 2821 01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,040 somewhere to park. 2822 01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:38,239 And right now it leaves our streets 2823 01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,800 where we live. 2824 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,280 I can't even get parking even on a 2825 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,199 Sunday. 2826 01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:48,639 So it's not they speak of the ordinances 2827 01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:50,320 and the sal and all that stuff that I 2828 01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,159 don't really know much about. I'm just 2829 01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,560 using a little common sense. It's a 2830 01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:58,080 monstrosity. It's it's not the right 2831 01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:01,760 building. However pretty it is 2832 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:05,360 for that size space. That's all. Thank 2833 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:05,679 you. 2834 01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:08,880 >> All right. Thank you. All right. Uh 2835 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,239 looks like everyone's had a chance to 2836 01:57:10,239 --> 01:57:13,119 make public comment. Uh Nicole, what are 2837 01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:14,719 your thoughts on I know we have a number 2838 01:57:14,719 --> 01:57:17,199 of other topics. 2839 01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:17,840 >> One final com. 2840 01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,440 >> Oh, I'm sorry. Miss Titus wanted to say 2841 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,639 throughout this process, speaking of 2842 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:22,239 volunteerism tonight, it's been a real 2843 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:23,679 pleasure working with the Burough Malvin 2844 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:25,440 from the Shade Tree Commission that as 2845 01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:26,960 volunteers, the planning commission, the 2846 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,400 countless hours I spent with them, the 2847 01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,239 burrow council, as well as the 2848 01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:31,599 professional staff. It's been a real 2849 01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:32,719 pleasure. So, I just want to thank you 2850 01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:34,320 guys for all that you do to make this 2851 01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:35,040 community great. 2852 01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,920 >> All right. Thank you. Um Nicole, are 2853 01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,440 there any agenda items you would think 2854 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,440 that we could postpone? I know we have 2855 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,159 some like the uh 2856 01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:45,440 >> have to do 2857 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,599 >> we have to do the trash bids dodge Ram 2858 01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,239 probably anything 2859 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:51,520 >> the Ram 2860 01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,199 >> Ram can come wait okay 2861 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:54,159 >> but um 2862 01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:55,280 >> we have to do 2863 01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,840 >> when is the conference 2864 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:02,000 >> the conference is um October 2865 01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,480 >> October 7th 2866 01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,400 >> Oh the the um 2867 01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,320 >> it says October 2868 01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:12,880 >> um the resolution to to make the uh the 2869 01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:13,520 >> you can ratify 2870 01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:14,960 >> voting member that's going to be a 2871 01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:16,960 quickie and we have to do the trash 2872 01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:17,599 bids. 2873 01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:18,000 >> Okay. 2874 01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,760 >> But the truck sale can wait. 2875 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,520 >> These are all considerations. So it's 2876 01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:23,520 only for discussion. There's no action 2877 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:24,320 tonight. 2878 01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,360 >> Okay. Sounds good. 2879 01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,760 >> Yeah. But on the tra on the trash, we 2880 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,280 have to talk about it tonight. 2881 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:31,679 >> Talk about trash. We have to award 2882 01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:32,000 items. 2883 01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:33,199 >> All right. So, let's hold off on 2884 01:58:33,199 --> 01:58:35,040 everything but trash. And what was the 2885 01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:36,320 other room said? 2886 01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,800 >> Voting uh me. You have 2887 01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,080 >> and the escrow. You have to do the 2888 01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:40,320 escrow. 2889 01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:41,840 >> Oh, the escrow release, right? 2890 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,840 >> Also, quick 2891 01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:47,679 >> escrow. Um, so E and G and um the trash 2892 01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:49,760 bid. So E and G and then we can go back 2893 01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:50,560 to the trash bid. 2894 01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,000 >> So do we have to vote to amend the 2895 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:55,589 agenda or 2896 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,920 » um 2897 01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,679 Well, we can just table the trash. 2898 01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:01,360 >> Let's let's table everything and we'll 2899 01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:04,239 move on to uh trash and recycling 2900 01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:06,080 collection bids. 2901 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:07,360 >> Yeah. 2902 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,679 Okay. So, table 2903 01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:10,560 >> um 2904 01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,239 >> So, you're going to table C, you're 2905 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:14,000 going to table 2906 01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:17,679 >> F. 2907 01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:19,199 >> Do you want Do you want me to talk about 2908 01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:20,800 that, Nicole? 2909 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:21,440 >> What? Which one? 2910 01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:22,159 >> The trash bit. 2911 01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:22,800 >> Yes. Go ahead. 2912 01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:28,880 >> Yeah. So, um we got uh um I think it was 2913 01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:32,800 five alto together. Um there are what it 2914 01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,800 comes down to is we got we got a lot 2915 01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:37,199 more bids actually than the last time 2916 01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:39,280 which was very nice. There's two 2917 01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:44,480 newcomers to the business locally. Um 2918 01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,119 the two there there were a couple that 2919 01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:52,239 were way high. There was um one company 2920 01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:55,280 that didn't bid. They said they weren't 2921 01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,280 going to they just wanted to let us know 2922 01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:00,159 that the burrow is basically too small. 2923 02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:04,560 So anyway, we have we have two bids. Um, 2924 02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:07,280 one is Bzenski, which is our current 2925 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:12,400 hauler. The the other low bidder is a 2926 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,560 new company called Unique Waste 2927 02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,320 Solutions. 2928 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:22,960 Um the issue is whether um unique waste 2929 02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:27,760 and blazinski are qualified. Mascaro and 2930 02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:32,639 optendaker are are way higher. So 2931 02:00:32,639 --> 02:00:34,320 um 2932 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:38,560 unique is very new. They did not 2933 02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:41,679 entirely comply with the bidding 2934 02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:45,119 instructions. they did not supply all 2935 02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:50,320 the information that was required. Um so 2936 02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:53,760 we we what the staff needs to do and 2937 02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:57,360 probably uh one of the committees is 2938 02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:03,599 look at whether um unique is not just 2939 02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:05,599 the lowest bidder but the lowest 2940 02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:09,920 qualified bidder. And if not, because of 2941 02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,800 whatever circumstances exist, in 2942 02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:14,400 addition to the fact that they didn't 2943 02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,040 comply with the instructions, 2944 02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:26,320 um they they may be eliminated from the menu. Um and we'll figure that out 2945 02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,280 before the next meeting and the staff 2946 02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,520 will have a recommendation for you. 2947 02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:33,280 >> So, what does that look like? see and 2948 02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:34,639 trying to ensure they're qualified like 2949 02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:36,800 co calling towns that they service or 2950 02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,960 >> well they don't service any towns that's 2951 02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,360 part of the problem with them but 2952 02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:42,560 >> company that doesn't 2953 02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,760 >> they they do they don't do municipal 2954 02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:49,520 they do HOAs and they do individual 2955 02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:53,520 um but it will we'll dig a little deeper 2956 02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,560 into uh they didn't supply any financial 2957 02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,080 data 2958 02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,599 um as I said they didn't comply with the 2959 02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:04,480 instructions and which technically is 2960 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:08,239 enough to throw throw it out anyway. But 2961 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:10,159 in public bidding, you have to be really 2962 02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,800 careful and we need if some if they come 2963 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,719 back or somebody else says, "Oh, you 2964 02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:17,599 know, they were lower by $20,000. Why 2965 02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:20,000 didn't you?" Well, there's not only did 2966 02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,520 they not fulfill the instructions, but 2967 02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:27,280 we have investigated. They're they're 2968 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,119 not they they didn't give us any 2969 02:02:29,119 --> 02:02:31,760 information like the other companies did 2970 02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:35,679 as to how many vehicles they have. Um 2971 02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:38,480 it's a one from what I've determined so 2972 02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:41,840 far it's a corporation but it's a sole 2973 02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:45,040 member LLC which means it's really one 2974 02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:49,679 guy and some employees. Um he's and I 2975 02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:53,360 I've you know I've between Dan and I 2976 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:56,800 we've learned some information. 2977 02:02:56,800 --> 02:03:01,440 Blazinski was really forthcoming with we 2978 02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,159 had a list of every piece of equipment 2979 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:07,199 on their lot and numbers of you know and 2980 02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:10,000 they've been our hauler for a long time. 2981 02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,239 So, if we're if we're going to pick 2982 02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:17,119 Blazinski over Unique, we have to have 2983 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:21,360 solid justification for that. And um I'm 2984 02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,360 predicting that that will be the case at 2985 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:26,320 the next meeting. And the staff when 2986 02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,000 they make their recommendation will tell 2987 02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,320 you why. 2988 02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,000 >> You said that you weren't sure that 2989 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,239 Bluinski was qualified. What? Why would 2990 02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:38,159 >> No, I I I said when you get down to 2991 02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:39,920 um you know, you've got some that are 2992 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:41,760 way high 2993 02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,080 um and then you've got two that are 2994 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,480 comparable to each other, including your 2995 02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:48,960 current holder. The you know, you're 2996 02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,760 looking to make sure you have the lowest 2997 02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,639 qualified bidder. Blazinski, when you 2998 02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:56,800 look at it that way, this one's 2999 02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,599 qualified for sure. This one, we don't 3000 02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:02,239 know. So, it's not that I suspect 3001 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,639 they're unqualified. It's just, you 3002 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:07,920 know, you kind of have to take them and 3003 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,480 look at them that way. 3004 02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,560 >> Can can I ask it how how do these 3005 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:15,440 numbers like the 242 3006 02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:21,440 compare to what we would expect in our budget? 3007 02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:22,800 >> Like how does it compare to what we've 3008 02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,400 been paying the past few years? Is that 3009 02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:24,880 what you're 3010 02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:27,520 >> I mean, yeah, for for the building next 3011 02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:30,719 year's budget. you know how I don't 3012 02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:32,719 remember the number for this year for 3013 02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:36,000 example. How does it compare? 3014 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:41,199 >> Um well that we can put that in the the staff can put that in the 3015 02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:44,239 recommendation. The um 3016 02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,719 my from my recollection we're in the 3017 02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:53,119 right ballpark. The other thing that council will uh what well you need 3018 02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:56,080 to look at what's in your packet because 3019 02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:59,440 Sylvie has done a huge tabulation that 3020 02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:02,800 goes deeper than this because we had 3021 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:06,800 them bid on a number of scenarios 3022 02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:12,639 um a base contract of one year two year 3023 02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,960 three years and then some number of 3024 02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:18,239 renewals. So those numbers are are 3025 02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:20,480 different and Sylvy's laid those all 3026 02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:27,119 out. So you could um consider which of 3027 02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:31,920 the options we set out you you want. Um 3028 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,320 so there in that regard you need to put 3029 02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:37,920 on your um you know what was it that 3030 02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,000 turban that Johnny Carson used to put 3031 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,920 on. You and I remember that but nobody 3032 02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:43,119 else does. 3033 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,360 >> Our neck. Yeah. and say, "Well, if 3034 02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:48,719 inflation is going to continue to go up, 3035 02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:52,320 we should take the three-year with three 3036 02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,280 renewals." But if you think prices are 3037 02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:58,400 going to plummet, you may want to do the 3038 02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:01,760 one year with fewer renewals is whatever 3039 02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:03,440 you pick, you're going to be locked into 3040 02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:06,239 it for some number of years. So, those 3041 02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:07,440 are things that you still need. 3042 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:09,840 >> 24 It's a $2,400 difference between on 3043 02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,880 bidc between the the Bzinski and Unique 3044 02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:14,800 Waste. Unique Waste does not have 3045 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,800 comparables. They did not have anything 3046 02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:18,320 that they like they did not come forward 3047 02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:20,400 with a legitimate thing. So the really 3048 02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,679 the question is is it worth $2,400 for 3049 02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:26,639 three years to have the current provider 3050 02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:27,679 >> take the risk, right? 3051 02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:28,080 >> Yeah. 3052 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,679 >> So that's the that's the question. 3053 02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:31,840 >> Yeah. And then we have to document that 3054 02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:34,480 because you know trash bids. 3055 02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,480 >> I don't I don't So like So let's let's 3056 02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:38,159 end the conversation. We can document 3057 02:06:38,159 --> 02:06:40,079 the things that they didn't qualify for. 3058 02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:42,320 I agree with you. All I have to do is 3059 02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,679 have is have that listed 3060 02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:45,760 >> and is there any 3061 02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:48,159 >> This has gone a very long conversation 3062 02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:50,800 right. Yeah. So just cover our bases 3063 02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,079 from a legal standpoint. I guess 3064 02:06:52,079 --> 02:06:54,480 >> I I have I mean you know you've got the 3065 02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,280 data. We have to write it down. We have 3066 02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:59,920 to award it at the next meeting. 3067 02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,920 >> You know everybody it's all on the table 3068 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:02,560 now. So 3069 02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,079 >> yep. Let's write it down. Let's move on. 3070 02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:05,360 >> I do have to open it up for public 3071 02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:11,910 comment. Mr. Buckley. 3072 02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:15,360 All right. Um, when it's faster 3073 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,480 some days I brought I said it to the bur 3074 02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:19,679 too about it. Um, 3075 02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:21,360 >> all right, John. I'm going to cut you 3076 02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:24,079 off because this is not about um 3077 02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:27,040 complaints about pickup or missed 3078 02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:30,000 pickups or anything in the street. So, 3079 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:30,480 that's 3080 02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,040 >> how our money these taxpayers pay. 3081 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,840 >> You're off. That's not on the agenda, 3082 02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:36,960 >> right? We're talking about 3083 02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,480 >> that's it. It's irrelevant. 3084 02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,239 >> And again, John, you can take your 3085 02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:42,719 concerns and talk to bro to burrow 3086 02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:44,560 administration during office hours. 3087 02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:46,239 Okay. 3088 02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:48,560 >> All right. Uh, anybody else? 3089 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,719 >> Sir, and just state your name for the 3090 02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:53,760 minutes, please. 3091 02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,000 >> Hi, my name is Andrew Casey. I'm from AJ 3092 02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:58,320 Blissinski. I just want to say that, you 3093 02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:00,960 know, I do have 27 municipal contracts 3094 02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:03,440 right now. I have been your provider for 3095 02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:05,920 quite some time and I'd really love the 3096 02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,480 opportunity to partner with you again to 3097 02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:10,079 keep your burrow clean. 3098 02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:10,719 >> Thanks. 3099 02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:12,560 >> Thank you for showing up. 3100 02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:13,679 >> Um, 3101 02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:15,520 >> anyone else? All right, let's move on. 3102 02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:16,960 Uh, consider the escro release in the 3103 02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:20,000 amount of $17,980.3 3104 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,880 for 155 Channing Avenue. Dan, 3105 02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,320 >> yep, that's the project here at the 3106 02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:26,320 corner of Channing and first and uh 3107 02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:27,840 they've completed all their work uh 3108 02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:29,520 storm water. Um, the house has been 3109 02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,520 sold. They've made the repairs out in 3110 02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:32,800 the street. Um, everything is complete. 3111 02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:34,239 I recommend that we close that project 3112 02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:36,079 out and release the final escro funds 3113 02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:36,719 for that. 3114 02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:39,040 >> Sounds good. [clears throat] Um, any 3115 02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:40,480 concerns? 3116 02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:43,360 >> Uh, public comment. All right. Nobody. 3117 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:45,280 Uh, next to consider the appointment for 3118 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,280 of a voting delegate for the resolutions 3119 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,159 committee for PML summit on Thursday, 3120 02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:54,400 October 1st, 2026. Uh, Nicole, what is 3121 02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:55,920 this? I guess 3122 02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,320 >> we're members of PML. annual summit is 3123 02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,040 in Hershey, PA this year. Is anyone 3124 02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,440 planning on going? Any of you planning 3125 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:03,760 on? 3126 02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,679 >> I don't know that I was aware of it. So, 3127 02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:07,920 >> okay. So, I'll share it with you. Um and 3128 02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,360 then you can um appoint a delegate and 3129 02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,920 um a voting and an alternate delegate if 3130 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,719 anyone um wants to go. I haven't decided 3131 02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:18,800 if I'm planning on going yet, but we can 3132 02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,079 decide in two weeks. But that's what 3133 02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:21,520 that is. It's a resolution has to be 3134 02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:22,159 sent in. 3135 02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:25,119 >> Okay. Any questions from council? 3136 02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:27,599 >> Nope. public comment. No. All right. 3137 02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:28,960 There's no new business. Do I have a 3138 02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:30,960 motion to adjurnn? 3139 02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:31,920 >> Do I have a second? 3140 02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:34,239 >> Second.