[0:00] And then I want discussion item
one point one is to talk about
[0:03] what we want to make as
priorities on the March sixth,
[0:07] all day, budget
planning session.
[0:11] So I don't know if this, Burke,
[0:13] if you want to Yes, ma'am.
[0:15] A couple of the items that
staff have identified that we
[0:18] would propose to include.
[0:20] One, we want to just go give
you a brief overview of the
[0:24] website that our finance
department has developed just
[0:26] so you can see what's available
[0:29] to our residents,
[0:30] as well as that there is
the ability for our residents to
[0:34] provide comments
about the budget,
[0:36] and we will be tracking that.
[0:37] So just want to walk you
through the website again just
[0:40] so that you have an idea of
what is available for our
[0:42] residents.
[0:44] We want to talk
through personnel.
[0:47] We received health
insurance information today.
[0:49] We'll be sharing with the impact
of that with you at the sixth.
[0:54] Talk about staffing
just to go through.
[0:56] Again, we are proposing to
add some additional positions.
[0:59] Just want to go through that
so you have the opportunity to
[1:02] understand that better.
[1:04] And then retention,
[1:05] talk through what we're looking
at as far as the proposed
[1:09] COLA and merit increases.
[1:12] Then talk through
social services,
[1:14] just give an overview of the
additional budget that has been
[1:20] included to cover
some of their costs.
[1:22] And then similarly
for fire and rescue,
[1:26] since we are not proposing a
reduction in the fire levy,
[1:29] just to talk through with you
all what is included with the
[1:34] budget for our fire department.
[1:38] And then enhancements to
the funding that's available for
[1:41] you all to identify.
[1:42] Just talk through that.
[1:44] So if there's any
additional items that we we
[1:48] that you you want us to
go into more detail with,
[1:51] please let us know.
[1:55] Sure.
[1:57] Two things.
[1:59] Maybe, number one,
I I suggest we have
[2:04] a discussion about whether to
maintain the fire levy as a
[2:07] separate entity
rather than just have
[2:10] everything in general fund.
[2:13] Think it's personally, think
it's outlived its usefulness.
[2:17] Number two and most important,
[2:20] I would appreciate
[2:23] staff doing a deep
dive in presenting
[2:27] a five year budget projection.
[2:30] I'm not just talking
general fund.
[2:33] Focused on
[2:36] incremental or
anticipated revenues
[2:41] by broad category.
[2:44] Not not, I would probably
suggest we wreck we look at a
[2:51] four percent
standardized increase in
[2:54] on the expense side, you know,
[2:56] which is a little more than
the norm, but just cover.
[2:59] And and, frankly,
[3:00] where I'm going with this
is I appreciate the the
[3:03] feedback from staff
about, the out years.
[3:06] I wanna see more more
details so I get the
[3:09] numbers, and I can
be more analytic
[3:12] about it, and understand
the the assumptions and and,
[3:16] you know, more more like you
would what I've done for,
[3:19] you know, three plus years
in the corporate world.
[3:22] You know, I do the
five year, ten year,
[3:24] you know, p and l projection.
[3:28] And frankly, it's
doing that so that,
[3:32] I and and maybe the
council is has a better
[3:36] understanding, therefore,
[3:37] of what we can do with
being set aside for the
[3:41] council, but, frankly,
[3:42] the million and a half reserve that
that staff has has talked about.
[3:47] Willing to sit with Diane or
whoever and walk through what
[3:52] I'm sort of looking
through for on that.
[3:57] I think that's it. Easy.
[4:01] Miss Dossingh.
[4:03] Question.
[4:03] So what percentage increase is
[4:06] there in the budget both on
the revenue and expense side?
[4:11] I'm sorry.
[4:12] So what
[4:15] is the percentage
increase in your
[4:18] proposed budget on the income
side and the expense side?
[4:27] Percentage wise,
we are looking at a
[4:32] are you asking general
fund or the total budget?
[4:34] Total budget.
[4:36] Increase of twenty nine percent.
[4:38] There is for all funds
For income, right? Yes.
[4:42] To match the expense, yes, sir.
[4:44] Okay. And so expenses?
[4:47] Twenty nine percent. How
about just the general fund?
[4:50] General fund, seventeen percent.
[4:53] Seventeen point six percent
if if you want to be So,
[4:56] you know, dovetailing on
account of the vice mayor here.
[5:00] I demoting you
for a moment here.
[5:04] Of a four percent, you know,
[5:06] maybe it should
[5:09] not be four percent.
[5:10] Go ahead.
[5:11] So a lot of I would
have to to get a true
[5:15] increase number, not
just this current year.
[5:18] I have to back out all the
onetime costs because there's a
[5:20] significant use of
onetime reserves in there,
[5:23] bringing that total to
the twenty nine percent.
[5:26] So if you give me a minute,
[5:27] I can do that calculation too.
[5:30] To his point, what
I've I I agree.
[5:32] What I'm interested in and what
I heard you say on Monday was
[5:37] that looking ahead,
[5:40] the financial
situation looked good.
[5:43] And I want I wanna I wanna understand
what that what does that mean?
[5:48] Meaning, what are the pieces that
fall in place we expect or we're
[5:52] anticipating or where whatever,
you know, where it's going,
[5:55] but to be discussed Yes, sir.
[5:58] So that
[6:00] not only about the
the contingency
[6:04] amount of money, but also,
you know, kind of big picture.
[6:08] So we're not just doing this
year and then waiting for the
[6:12] next year to have more
kind of thinking ahead.
[6:15] Sort of like we do with our CIP.
[6:17] And that's where
what we would do
[6:20] is typically assume
a four percent
[6:23] or five percent growth
on some of the expenses,
[6:26] but then also add into that the
CIP because within that five
[6:29] year window, we are looking at
floating a bond to do some of
[6:33] the improvements,
[6:34] specifically out for the
fire department and for the
[6:37] community center.
[6:38] So, yes, sir.
[6:39] We can we can do a a
presentation of of of a five
[6:42] year anticipated Forgive my
inaccuracy as a layman here,
[6:47] but read my mind and then
you'll know what I want.
[6:50] No. But I I get it.
[6:51] You you wanna give us what
we're asking for and not waste
[6:54] time, and I I don't
wanna do that either.
[6:56] But I think that's
that's very important
[6:59] along the way to see
see that picture as as
[7:03] far as you as you were
working with your staff
[7:07] along the way, you know,
with if it was a year,
[7:10] it was a year.
[7:11] If it's five years,
it's five year.
[7:12] You know, what in other words,
[7:14] share with us the the more
of the detail along the way.
[7:18] I do know we have a work
session specifically
[7:22] on utility rates, but
I think it's important
[7:27] that we our our
March six meeting
[7:32] overview that somehow.
[7:34] I mean, there's some there's
for us to get a for all of
[7:39] us to understand a little bit more
what's what what might be coming along.
[7:46] If I could, we have already scheduled
for representatives from the
[7:49] Utility Commission and from
our consultants to be at your
[7:52] eighteenth meeting.
[7:54] And I understand wanting to be
able to get more into the details.
[7:58] But
[8:00] as we've scheduled it,
[8:02] it would be our preference if
we could do the more deep dive
[8:06] at the eighteenth because
we will have a lot of the
[8:09] individuals that can
provide more detail than
[8:13] Anna might otherwise be able to.
[8:16] You heard what I my
suggestion, at least,
[8:20] I always am a believer in
getting ahead of news even if
[8:24] it's somewhat general.
[8:25] I mean, those are some numbers,
[8:27] percentages that you
presented in your
[8:32] proposed budget that
[8:35] are sitting out there in
have you in terms of that.
[8:40] We we can definitely provide
you with since we're spending a
[8:42] whole day, whatever, with
the caveat that a lot of lot
[8:47] of more information is
being developed and and on.
[8:51] We can definitely provide
you with an overview of the
[8:54] recommendations from the
consultant, which definitely
[8:58] exceed what staff are proposing.
[9:00] So yes, sir, we have
that ready for you all.
[9:03] I'd like to, if I may,
continue, mayor, for a moment,
[9:07] a list of items that were
[9:11] proposed
[9:14] from the to the budget
from various departments,
[9:17] but not not included Yes, sir.
[9:19] Just so we can see
what what those were
[9:23] along the way.
[9:25] So those are my
initial, you know,
[9:28] thoughts for for
March the sixth.
[9:30] Yes, sir. Thank you.
Thank you, mayor.
[9:35] Thank you.
[9:36] I think the list that you've provided
is a really good, jumping point.
[9:40] I think all of that would be a
good framework for the sixth.
[9:44] I wanna echo councilman
Ossina's suggestion about
[9:48] talking about utilities.
[9:49] I think that the I think our
the state of our utilities is
[9:52] going be a big deal this year.
[9:54] And I don't want
to put that off.
[9:56] I want to be addressing
that from the front.
[10:00] So that's probably my one of
my big priorities this year is
[10:03] talking about utilities.
[10:04] I'll
[10:08] just say it out loud.
[10:09] I've in this as
she stated to this,
[10:12] it's fine with tickets from
my perspective things that are
[10:15] highly helpful in the
social services discussion.
[10:18] And
[10:19] then I've heard some subjects
that will be very valuable
[10:23] to us in planning.
[10:25] I'm fine with that.
[10:29] Kind of a question I want
to just kind of recap something
[10:32] about, the personal
property tax rates.
[10:37] The data center computer
equipment tax rate of three
[10:41] sixty, If I recall,
[10:44] that cannot go above
[10:46] the personal property tax rate.
[10:48] Is that right? Okay.
[10:51] Tangible personal property.
[10:57] When you when we're
talking about the car tax,
[10:59] that is not is that something
locally we can adjust?
[11:03] Yes, ma'am.
[11:03] That's basically a twenty
five dollars It used to be the
[11:05] sticker fee, the twenty
five dollars sticker fee.
[11:07] We don't hand out
the sticker anymore.
[11:08] That is the car tax, the twenty
five dollars sticker fee?
[11:11] That's not that's step The
car tax is a separate clause.
[11:15] The million dollars
is the twenty
[11:19] five dollars fee.
[11:20] Which is on your budget.
[11:23] The car tax, yes, ma'am,
that is something.
[11:26] Well, tax, what we
would refer it to,
[11:30] can we also do anything
to adjust that rate?
[11:32] Is that the state?
[11:35] I believe we can
adjust it. Yes, ma'am.
[11:38] But since the data center
tax rate is now tied with
[11:41] that, if we would lower
that car tax rate,
[11:44] we would also have to lower
the data center tax rate.
[11:48] Is that right?
[11:49] I think we can do
it independent,
[11:52] but I need to confirm that.
[11:54] And if there's something
you want to discuss,
[11:55] we can definitely Yeah.
[11:56] I would like to know that.
[11:57] Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
[12:01] Thank
[12:04] you, Madam Mayor.
[12:05] As we go into a more hybrid or
[12:08] more intense day, I just
wanna make sure that the
[12:11] agenda, if I know it's hard,
[12:14] but if there's a way to
allocate a time because if
[12:18] people want to
come and listen in,
[12:20] I just want to make sure
that we are clear and
[12:23] and the people have
the information
[12:25] on on residents or, you know,
anybody who wants to, you know,
[12:29] be in to listen to the session.
[12:32] I
[12:44] think I have an accent.
[12:45] I know it's too
early, but, you know,
[12:47] I will be trying to
look for a decrease.
[12:50] And for me, what
it was mentioned is important.
[12:53] It's not the knowledge
two. That we have.
[12:57] But I believe councilmen
have seen and talk about it.
[13:00] Before we used to get the.
[13:02] So I
[13:04] items, but they were not relevant
or they were not they didn't
[13:09] made it to the top this year.
[13:10] So I think that
that's important.
[13:13] I believe at the beginning,
[13:14] I did I wasn't paying as
[13:18] a lot of attention to those new
[13:22] new capital items that
come to the five years.
[13:25] And then as we have worked so
successfully in those, you know,
[13:29] I just wanna make sure that
I keep a close eye on that,
[13:32] that we don't just click the
page because I wanna make sure
[13:35] that we understand it.
[13:37] And
[13:38] we when we fund it, because
a lot of them are, like,
[13:42] through the years.
[13:42] I just wanna make
sure that, you know,
[13:44] we're trying to divide it.
[13:47] I worry that that we
might have a bigger
[13:52] increase this year on the
income and on the following
[13:55] year's projections.
[13:57] I would like to continue to
be conservative as possible.
[14:01] Yes, ma'am.
[14:01] But I know I'm, like, probably,
maybe to deep into it.
[14:05] My apologies.
[14:06] But I really you know,
[14:07] those are the things
that they worry me.
[14:10] And, yeah, you know,
like last year.
[14:14] I'll be looking
into see if we can,
[14:18] you know, we can
get our support to
[14:23] I
[14:25] really want to make sure
not only that the staff is
[14:28] available when you
when they present each,
[14:30] but also the public is
knowledgeable of when the staff
[14:34] is gonna present.
[14:44] I
[14:46] know in previous
budget sessions,
[14:49] we were the
[14:53] tax rate for a flat tax bill.
[14:55] Do we know what
that is? Know. Okay.
[15:08] Just a question on page
thirty five, revenue overview.
[15:12] When I there's a list here,
[15:14] and it says machinery and
tools used in semiconductor
[15:17] manufacturing, CBD.
[15:21] I know
[15:23] it can.
[15:25] Page thirty five.
[15:29] And then there's a
list of tax rates.
[15:31] And the second one in
the bulleted items,
[15:35] machinery and tools used in
semiconductor manufacturing.
[15:39] That's the agreement that we
have with Micron, I believe,
[15:43] that with a a a there's a
prescribed amount that we could
[15:47] increase that if I'm hopefully
getting head nods from?
[15:50] Yes.
[15:51] So when they file
their returns with Tim,
[15:54] he'll be able to back into
the rate that that's needed.
[15:56] And that's the rate that you'll
set to honor the agreement to
[15:59] come up with a four
percent increase.
[16:01] Okay. Thank you.
It's four percent.
[16:05] Okay. Thank you.
[16:14] Well, if I can,
[16:16] the list that I have
tentatively and if there's
[16:18] other items, please let us
know before we schedule it.
[16:20] But, again, walking through
the website, personnel issues,
[16:25] fire and rescue,
specific to their current
[16:28] budget, fire and fire
levy, social services,
[16:33] a five year projection
of our expenses and
[16:36] revenues, the enhancement
discussion, utilities,
[16:41] unfunded items,
[16:43] discussion of our CIP,
and then a flat tax rate,
[16:49] what the equivalent our
real estate would be.
[16:54] If there's other items,
please just let us know.
[17:00] Make sure that we get
the agenda complete.
[17:03] And we will include times
for individual items.
[17:09] I'll just say more procedural.
[17:11] So, when we meet March six over
there at the community center,
[17:16] our meeting will be recorded.
[17:18] We are planning to
have it being recorded.
[17:20] We are planning to have a
projector and screen there.
[17:23] Excellent. Thank you.
[17:30] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[17:31] I'm not sure if it's the right
time that I would like to share.
[17:35] When we went to our
jurisdiction first ever
[17:40] meeting, they talk
about how the clerk and
[17:44] everybody goes to
provide them everything,
[17:49] not only asking for more,
[17:50] but also providing the
reports and things.
[17:53] And I was wondering if
[17:58] we in agreement or if something
the council would like to
[18:02] consider if there will be
[18:06] follow-up with with those
offices that if we're gonna get
[18:10] annual report or feedback on
on what they do because they do
[18:13] represent us and I think
other than coming to one
[18:18] coming to Sperto's Inn.
[18:20] We never heard from them.
[18:21] Oh, asking them to attend.
We can we can I've.
[18:26] You don't have to share
his office clerk and. Yeah.
[18:30] Have not reached out to them
yet but we can definitely That
[18:33] is on our agenda to do.
[18:34] Yes, sir.
[18:35] Yeah. So I'm not sure if it was.
[18:37] I just wanna make sure that we
do mention because we we never,
[18:41] you know I think I might have
we get maybe mailers and stuff.
[18:47] But I wouldn't I don't wanna
impose if that's not something
[18:51] you guys are interested in.
[18:52] I just wanted to
bring it up because
[18:54] I thought that, you know, it was
an eye opening that, you know,
[18:58] they always go there because
that's who supposedly paid them
[19:01] and we get often overlooked
when they are representing us.
[19:05] We can definitely make
that request to them.
[19:11] Take it we've heard
from, excuse me,
[19:15] heard from OmniRide and
DRE and things like that.
[19:19] What what kind of increases?
In general, yes, sir.
[19:23] That's that's been incorporated
into the anticipation.
[19:26] And you don't anticipate that
they need to come and talk to us?
[19:30] I'm asking.
[19:32] I don't believe we I think
the omnivore was increased,
[19:35] but that doesn't mean they
can't come talk to us.
[19:37] I'm gonna ask him
for more. Okay.
[19:40] Well, I don't wanna
lose our time.
[19:44] Not not saying Wake them up.
[19:46] Yeah. It's right.
[19:47] Don't wake them up.
[19:48] You didn't ask them.
[19:48] That's right. That's
all. I'm just asking.
[19:51] That's all. Okay.
Any anything else?
[19:58] Oh, did you want me to answer the
flat tax bill question now, the rate?
[20:01] I was gonna have that at this.
[20:02] It's the same. Okay.
[20:04] Thank you, though.
You're see efficient.
[20:08] Anything I'll explain
this real quick.
[20:11] I'll explain this
real Explain what?
[20:13] Before you go there. Uh-oh.
[20:15] Think Just give me one
second. One second.
[20:20] Is the is the twenty
twenty six plan
[20:23] post in the website?
[20:25] I will have to check on that.
[20:26] I believe that everything included
in your book is on our website.
[20:31] But I confirm that because that is
something that you have to adopt.
[20:35] We will be requesting
you to adopt
[20:38] as part of the budget.
[20:39] Yes, ma'am. I just wanna
make sure people can proceed.
[20:42] You. Sit down.
Diana's. Thank you.
[20:45] Sorry.
[20:46] It's that Vice Mayor.
[20:48] No.
[20:48] There's So I I had a curiosity
and some just basic research.
[20:55] Six thousand dollars is the
pre close, plus or minus.
[21:01] The average revenue the city
will receive from property tax
[21:05] this year for the average
residential property?
[21:09] Six thousand. Six
thousand dollars.
[21:12] Four thousand dollars is
what Fauquier County gets.
[21:18] Seven thousand dollars
is the bill in the park.
[21:24] Eight thousand dollars is
the average residential bill.
[21:29] Actually, a little over eight thousand
in Fairfax and Loudoun County.
[21:34] Arlington, Alexandria is more
like eighty five hundred.
[21:37] Nine thousand is the amount
of revenue the city of Fairfax
[21:41] receives from the average house.
[21:43] Daily.
[21:46] What was the I'm sorry?
What was the seven?
[21:49] Seven is the park.
[21:50] The park. Park.
[21:51] Oh, that's the park.
[21:53] But my point in, you know,
I'll I'll eventually Six is us.
[21:56] We all end up paying
the same, essentially,
[21:59] for the city manager or fireman
[22:03] or a policeman.
[22:06] But other jurisdictions
get a lot more revenue
[22:10] in the average house than we do,
[22:13] which therefore drives rates.
[22:17] Just an interesting
little aside.
[22:20] A little tidbit.
[22:21] Yeah. Thank you.
[22:23] Anything
[22:30] else?
[22:31] Any other comments, questions?
[22:33] Priorities are laid out for
the sixth. Eight thirty sharp.
[22:37] Yeah. We'll bang.
[22:39] Eight for breakfast.
Eight thirty sharp.
[22:41] We eat. Eight. Okay. So
eight breakfast. Okay.
[22:44] And what you eating it from?
[22:46] Omelette Cafe.
[22:47] Oh.
[22:49] Omelette Cafe.
[22:52] That's a community center
we're playing. We're playing.
[22:55] We're playing.
[22:56] Yes, we're playing
at the movie center.
[22:58] That's good.
[22:59] No, mister Smith, we're all
gonna be given ten dollars,
[23:02] and we'll go to Wawa and
pick up breakfast there.
[23:05] Oh.
[23:05] There you go.
[23:06] In lottery tickets, you
might win a million dollars.
[23:08] That's right.
[23:08] In a lottery ticket.
[23:09] No.
[23:10] Okay. Anything else?
[23:11] And your taxes. To tell us?
[23:13] No, ma'am.
[23:13] So the sixth is the
next budget meeting.
[23:16] Eight o'clock, and eight thirty,
[23:18] we'll start the meeting.
[23:18] So be there till five. Question.
[23:24] Have we had a broadcast
it's not being broadcast.
[23:27] It's just, what, live
again, like our retreat?
[23:30] Is they're doing the same thing?
[23:31] This Yes,
[23:32] I don't believe we have the
ability to broadcast from the
[23:35] community center.
[23:36] Yet.
[23:36] We will check that out.
[23:38] I I do know we have
the ability to record.
[23:40] I just don't believe we have
the ability And I will note
[23:42] that I I've already just
talked to AMS about it.
[23:45] We'll have the ability to pause and
start the stream while we're there.
[23:49] So, hopefully, that'll be
Are you gonna control it?
[23:52] Thank you.
[23:56] Anything else? Any other
comments, questions?
[24:00] Not.
[24:00] We're adjourned.
[24:01] Thank you.