and light infantry back. But
everything changed when the
Americans ran into the British
granted years the American
advance quickly became a
retreat.
>> This set the pattern for
the remainder of the bat.
Benedict Donald wanted to
seize the day through Amir
aggressive attack. 3 times he
begged gates for more men. 3
times he was refused. The
argument broke out and Gates
relieved Arnold of his
command. The British won the
day, but at a very high cost.
We're going suffered over 600
casualties and we're running
out of supplies.
>> In contrast, the American
forces were growing stronger
with fresh militia units
>> Good morning, everyone. And
welcome to the FEBRUARY 14.0
25 school Board of Manatee
County. A workshop one with
your buddy. Happy Valentine's
Day, especially my watching
this at home. Maybe if you if
you and secondly, before we
get into to message and up Dr
Watson brought this up to me
yesterday. And I'm glad did. I
want to do quick moment of
silence. This is the 7th year
universities MAY be the wrong
word. But of the Stoneman
Douglas shooting down a park
in Florida. So I just want to
do a quick moment of silence
for those victims down there
and the families that are
still struggling with that 7
years later show join me in a
moment of silence. First,
minute.
>> So
>> good budget moving forward
of the agenda published. Lot
of it was just the putting it
of the of the presentation
today that will be going
through for a rezoning
discussions in the policy does
well. So to public comment to
get to public comments.
Marilyn Parker. Is first and I
think you could just probably
going.
>> Sit next MR. Chapman,
right? There is fine right
there. Been great. Good
morning. We're going.
>> Mary Lynn Parker, speaking
on behalf of the League Women
Voters to address the subject
of school for proclamations.
Want to be Policies that you'd
be dealing with this morning.
The legal issue to show our
support support proclamations
because proclamations advance
the education of the entire
community. The positive impact
of proclamations as Mookie
full and their reach goes
beyond their reading at
meetings. They're waiting
county citizens of getting to
the man happenings in the
district. Firstly, the board
can and should be proud of the
district's accomplishments
various areas, including
professional development and
the chief student success
academics, arts and sports
proclamations acknowledging
principles month Technical
Education Month. For example,
recognize the dedication and
countless hours work put into
the and students and show the
board's appreciation for the
efforts and a more formalized
manner purple shot the ds.
Secondly, for proclamations
can advance district policies
and promote community
engagement. For example, they
can create momentum for
policies that support students
such as protections against
being arrest. They can also
foster be long with taxpayers,
including who don't children
in the school system and
encourage community
participation and school
activities. Read with him. Red
ribbon. Fittingly, 30
proclamations from the sport
can raise awareness, promote,
understanding and support a
sense of belonging month,
faculty, staff and students,
thereby creating optimal
environment for learning.
Proclamations like Holocaust
history. We Black History
month. Acknowledge unique
experiences, struggles and
contributions and break down
barriers caused by parents.
Need to groups such as
students, employees with
disabilities can be publicly
recognized and supported by
Ford proclamations. Each of
these patients. Prop nations
inform the public about past
and current topics relevant to
the schools, which is fully in
keeping with the district's
purpose. One of education. The
league is resolutely opposed
to a requirement of unanimity
to approve proclamations. Such
a requirement be a stark
outlier and practices of
Representative democracy and
know what calls the local
state or federal level is
unanimity required, not even
for a declaration of war. The
league has that you consider
there's prop decisions that
you're discussing end. This
district's policy.
Additionally, thank you. Thank
>> Well, good morning.
Valentines Day team happy
life. I'm Doctor Gardere area
the chair of the Education
Committee on the naacp. And I
really love from the end
stick. I don't want to
reiterate everything. My
colleague, Doctor Harper said,
but the naacp wants to go on
the record in supporting all
the points that they MAY. And
in encouraging you to retain
the issue is a proclamations.
We proclamations are a
valuable tool, engaging the
community in the important
work that the school district
does related to statues. We
also think it's a way to
educate the community on
things going So we urge you to
keep proclamations as part of
the important work that this
board and
>> public comment for this
morning. We think does you
public comment will move to
item number one on the agenda
for the workshop. Is your view
of discussion discussion
regarding new an updated board
policies and I'm going to
given MR. Chapman, French up
and then make I doing only and
go down the line for each. Is
question.
>> Thank you, MR. Chair. We
are on Tuesday. I'm a port. We
are gets to make it easy with
an aggravation. Questions. So
we are underneath it. So.
>> Thank you, MR. Chaired
morning board as a reminder to
you and to the public. Going
through a review of board
policy. Some of these are new.
Some of these revised you as a
board approve the
advertisement of these
policies on FEBRUARY 11 Board
meeting, they'll be advertised
for public comment for the
next 28 days by statute and
they'll come up for a final
decision on the MARCH 11th
board meeting at a public
hearing and up to you all for
final approval. So this is the
workshop to work on policies
and make any as we go through.
So. There are 7 policy. So to
which are bored by law. So
we'll start with those. The
first one is sad by law, a 0,
1, 4, 3.1 residents areas.
This is a change due to an
updated Florida statute which
took out the number years
where we have to make
necessary changes boundaries
for board member residents
areas and added statutory
language. So you'll see that
in purple there is is the
statutory language put in
there and everything crossed
out. So that's by law. They're
if there's any, I issues there
speak on Okay. Next, my is 0,
1, 4, 9.1 public expressions
of members. You can see edits
were made there and this is
revision that you are making
as a school you'll see the
last revision on that page.
It's from the last board
meeting where that where you
all men did this. And and at
at that sentence there to this
policy. So pause there for any
it's or suggestions.
>> Yes, we do have one this
storm.
>> Good morning, everyone. So
I am opposed to making these
changes to this policy. As
both of the representative
from League of Women Voters in
the naacp presented. I fully
agree with everything they've
said. In addition, when you
look at the proclamations that
we have issued and MR. Tatum
brought up concerns about
getting political. We have not
issued any political
proclamations ever. Your
example was a I think
something about being in line
with Israel at the the county
commission. We've never done
that isn't related to
education. It has no permanent
In the school district. So I
don't see that that's ever
been a problem. Looking at,
for example, this month, what
is Black History Month? Even
our federal government are
current administration has
recognized that it is Black
History Month so something
like that is recognized
federally. I don't see why we
can't recognize that here
locally. In addition, as we
have at our last board
meeting, we had a wonderful
presentation from Tillman
Elementary School with their
video that they created in
recognition of MISTER Tillman,
who their school is named
after. And we the the
>> very large number of alumni
come and speak to us who had
MR. Tillman has their
administrator and their
memories of him. And we
recognize him. We have 7, 7
schools named after African
American Education persons in
our county her Los Hail,
Louise are Johnson, James
Tillman. For I'm able any.
Lucy Williams gd Roger's
gardens. And Barbara, a
Harvey. And as we have in the
last couple years, we
recognized one of each of
these men and women. During
Black History Month here
during the board meetings and
these are wonderful
opportunities to look at black
history in Manatee County to
recognize people here in our
own county who have made
wonderful contributions to
education. The same can be
said for any other. Of the
proclamations. When you look
at Hispanic Heritage Month, we
have a considerable Hispanic
population here in Manatee
County. They bring a lot to
our community. They are very
important members. Our
community. When I was teaching
at Southeast High School, for
example, more than 50% of the
population there is of
Hispanic descent. Need to
continue to recognize that
they exist and that they're
important parts of our
community. And then further,
when you look at Holocaust
remembrance. That was a
massive impact or not our
entire planet. I myself have
taught the book night I leave
the cell. And if you have not
read it, I highly recommend it
is a memoir written by
Holocaust survivor. He's a
winner of a Nobel Peace Prize.
He was 14 when he was taken
the outfits. Father were
separated from his sisters. He
survived. It's incredible and
moving. Text. We need to
continue perpetuate the
understanding of that in our
society there. So many people
out there that want to pretend
it never happened. By
recognizing that it did happen
by continuing to teach about
it, which is, again, part of
our Florida State standards,
as well as Black History
Month. We have
African-American history is
part of our Florida State
standards. This is education
based I myself brought in
Holocaust survivors to speak
to our students. These are
very important things to me.
And this is why I'm opposed to
not recognizing them. We need
to as a board recognize the
contributions of the men and
women here in Manatee County.
Who MAY not normally get
recognized. And that includes
2 meeting recognizing these
proclamations and putting them
out there for our public to
pay attention to so that our
people who mean normally be
not recognized our minority.
Students, staff citizens know
that we know they exist.
That's my comments. Thank you.
I just some thoughts and
>> So obviously this is our
first stabbing kind of. By
wall that we've established
anything to do with
proclamations. So before this,
there was no. Guidance or
anything like that. It was
just for the chair was in the
superintendent, decide where
they do a proclamation or not.
In my time there's been no
proclamation not done and but
I do believe that we need to
have some kind of policy on
proclamations, whether not
good all are doing whatever we
have to have something in
policy. I believe says this is
what we're doing. After our
last board after last workshop
where we discussed this for
little bit. I got to think
about. Obviously moving on to
the next meeting in FEBRUARY
and after discussion with with
the superintendent, I did
decide to do the Proclamation
for Black History Month for
some Number one, we didn't
have any policy or anything to
tell us we should or shouldn't
Excedrin. We are in the works
of that. This number one
number 2. We teach it and it's
in in our curriculum. It's a
Florida state statute. Federal
law said, right? And so I
think that, well, I do agree
with everything that MISTER
Tatum brought up concerning.
Let's not get this political
have these these. Politicize
different proclamations, etc.
I do believe we need to have
some kind of policy to do to
do populations. I don't know.
I don't think that it's
banning all of them. I think
that there is important ones
to do with education that we
should now. I'm not going I
disagree on some point. The
same proclamations. The way
that we show support. And
remember the
>> attribute and all the
contributions that I think
what it's all Black History
Month. Dating a teacher
appreciation we could do
presentations all day long. We
could have we could have
brought exactly what we did
and honor, MR. Children
without it having proclamation
behind, right? We can still
honor the people. Do those
things without having
important book proclamation.
So I don't think having him
having applause. This is no
proclamation. It's going
deviate, too. We don't
celebrate teachers and teacher
Appreciation Week ordered Farm
City week. We don't celebrate
the farmers and then think
that's it would go in my
personal opinion but I think
there's easy fix to
potentially this particular
year policy in the very first
line. If we added there.
Verbiage of something on the
lines that you know. Unless we
strictly abide by the Florida
State statute and
instructional standard
curriculum. We converted later
so we are setting ourselves up
for proclamation that pushed
political issues, whatever
they MAY be, there only saying
we're going to do educational
standards, proclamations, the
things we teach inside of our
schools that are in the
Florida State standards. I
think. Would be a pat. To kind
of get both things right kind
of keep it to where we want to
keep it in this road.
Guardrails. What we
preparations and it's only
toward educational standard.
You keep everything. We've
always kind of been doing
anyways. Kind of that little
route between either not doing
it at all, doing it all. This
is that middle ground. I
believe that if we can get
something in this language
that that speaks about. Got to
follow the Florida State
standards. Education. Of
course. I would be. I think
that's a a good middle ground.
Other that the rest of it. I
mean. If I do. I don't see
anything else in that policy,
but MR. Tatum or MR. Kitty, to
Ok, Yeah. I have the right
completely agree with
everything said and chatted.
>> I think you're hitting us
rather points too. And I'll
just make a suggestion that
make it start off. But I do
want to add one piece before
getting some suggested
language. And that's and I
said this on Tuesday. But I
think if we are going to move
to codifying this policy, we
should include that it only
require a board majority to
adopt the proclamation to talk
about a Super majority. I said
on Tuesday, we'll say it The
this board requires. Nothing
requires a unanimous vote very
few things require Super
Majority. So I think that's I
think it's very fair Chantal.
The point you just made, I
think that's very fair to keep
it relevant to. Florida
education standards in
Florida. Statute to the case
MAY be, but I would like to
see as the ad. Maybe not
include language that are
super a super majority or you
unanimous vote. But that
because I think MR. Tatum is
think where he's on the right
track is that you don't want
to create a situation where
one. You know, board member,
so to speak. Once the bringing
of Prince proclamations just
to get things in flames. And
so I think you're definitely
right about that. So
therefore, I majority of 3.
Should be enough to bring a
proclamation. You trying to
incorporate everybody's.
Feelings here. So it's kind of
going the same way you were to
suggest maybe the school
board, Manatee County. MAY
consider a or adopt
proclamations. Come a relevant
2, Florida education
standards. Meetings and
workshops supported by a board
majority, something along
those winds. And then also I
would strike the second line.
School board member MAY honor
or commemorate individuals. I
think that saying we already
know that we can do And then.
We can deliver anything later.
We can stick to proclamations
that for So that's occurred. A
state. We kind of regret.
We're going to this
conversation. But I was hoping
we wouldn't. Was hoping that
we could just understand that.
Some of these proclamations.
Our political issues. And we
shouldn't be doing. But we
want to have its own. Because
we'll have it all start up
with. A summary of a video
that's out there and you can
see it. It's about a minute
long on you, too.
>> By Morgan Freeman, Morgan
Freeman talking to Mike
Wallace during a cbs
interview. Morgan Freeman. For
those don't know or elderly,
black actor. Well, used to be
on. That's on 60 Minutes. And
the video to the video. Morgan
Freeman says. I don't want
Black History Month. And like
Wallace says. Why not order
prevents because black history
is American history. I don't
want just a month. For black
history that it's part of
American history. Which teach
it and our best standard. So
there's no chance that black
history is going to be. Not
caught or no one's not going
to know about it. Part of our
standards, we have to. So you
go on in that video. It's only
about a minute long and then.
Mike Wallace is what are we
going to do about racism? Not
acknowledging minority
students really. When I hear
language like we have to
acknowledge people for gender
or their race or where that
Hispanics are black, where
that's contrary, everything
United States America stands
for. And that's the point that
Morgan Freeman is making the
video and the answer Mike
Wallace Morgan Freeman gives
Stop talking about it. I'm
going to stop looking at you
as a white man and I
appreciate you stop looking at
me as a black man. Just going
to look at you as Mike. You're
look at me as Morgan. That
also goes along with what
Martin Luther King had to say,
that we're going to look at
people based on the content of
their character instead of the
color of their skin. And
whatever the origin was of
Hispanic Heritage Month or
Black Heritage Month and stuff
like that, it's become these
are not political issues. The
Department of Defense recently
just did away with all of that
kind of stuff. And the reason
is is because they want to go
along with what Martin Luther
King's that let's start
looking each other based on
the content of our character
than the color people's skin.
We can bring MR. Tillman up in
film and family recognize them
in APRIL MAY JUNE, JULY.
Number it, we don't have to
have Black Heritage Month. To
recognize and I enjoyed the
presentation. Great learn more
about county history. Black
history. Notice the people
that are here today supporting
walk to stream out. They are
overtly political left-wing
aligned organizations. The
League of Women Voters and the
naacp are the ones are pushing
this. I don't see anybody else
out there pushing it. We know
that in the sun 3 years ago
right now, the
African-American history Task
force that was being proposed
in this county was actually a
diversity equity inclusion
program. Disguised as an
African-American history
program. If you go back and
look at that drought, the
words, diversity, equity,
inclusion, word in that. Task
force over 24 times over 2
dozen times. That's what it
and it's become a political
issue. The day needs to calm
her in our country and our
county and our school system
where we are not highlighting
people based on the color of
their skin, we'll highlight
and then based on the content
of their character. You know,
the origin of the word slave
is. The origin of the word
slave actually comes from
Slavic people. There were.
Probably 2 to 3 times more
Slavic people. That were
enslaved by North African Arab
taken from Europe African
slaves then were brought to
the United States of America
black slaves that were brought
the United States America.
We're talking about
acknowledging people for
whatever reason and erase
their past gender, their skin
color, whatever. Because
treatment, because 2 to 3 more
time, more thoughts were taken
as slaves and black people are
brought to America. And that's
the origin of that. What if
Japanese people come to us and
say we want to proclamation
about the injustice that was
done through us. During World
War. 2, think means that we
were put in what a jury's
people come to us and say we
want proclamations not only
about the Holocaust, but just
about the oppression that
limit. There's group of people
that have been oppressed
throughout history. That's
definitely one of them. Mike
Wallace says in video because
I don't want to do is history
month either. We just want to
start looking at each other.
On the content of our
character you know, if you
think that I have some. And
then torts. People with
different skin color, actually
a 10 like church. On a regular
basis. I play drums that the
church, I'm friends with the
people there. And if they're
private organizations want to
have these Black History Month
to celebrate them. Great. I'm
all about that. You know, I'll
go to that church and
participate in that. I like to
remind us that the 14th
Amendment to the Constitution,
United States of America, says
that. We have equal protection
under the law. As a government
board up here highlighting
people based on race or gender
or ethnicity or whatever. It's
certainly in violation of the
spirit of that and the Civil
Rights Act of 1964. Also says
that the government will not
discriminate based on race or
gender or ethnicity. And so I
just believe that it's Based
on where we are right now.
It's time for us to stop. With
the race gender and ethnicity.
Type of proclamations were
essentially highlighting
people based on their
ethnicity or the color of
their skin, not on the content
of their character. Now we
want to do proclamations
about. I don't know, national
reading we or, you know, I'd
be ok with a policy that we
can do proclamations, but
we're not going to do any
based on race, gender,
ethnicity or religion. Not be
okay with that. One of those
kind of proclamations. But I
just strongly believe that
time to stop doing things
based upon rate rate this city
and gender are violating the
spirit of the Constitution.
We're certainly violating the
spirit what I would call the
Civil Rights And so I'd you to
join in doing what I would
call our moral duty, our
constitutional duty and our
legal duty. If we're not going
to. Ben proclamations
outright, which I'm not sure,
you know, knowledge reading
week that actually makes our
reading scores any better. It
just takes time up from the
staff to But that population
together. But if we wanted to
proclamations like on, but I
would suggest that we not
entertain them based on race,
gender, ethnicity or religion.
It's our constitutional duty.
It's our moral duty to look at
people based on the content of
our character and our legal
duty based on the Civil Rights
Act. You finish with a quote
from Antonin Scalia who is,
you know, the deceased Supreme
justice one of his. Opinions
that you wrote in a case about
race, he said basically that
for people who feel People
have violated violate the law
against based on their race or
gender. Whatever the courts
are available to them. But in
the eyes of the American
government, this is a quote in
the eyes of the American
government. There's only one
race. And that's the race of
the American people. So do to
entertain the policy we wanted
proclamations about. Reading
out quick or something like
that. I'm okay with that. But
that in our policy, we say
that we will not We're not
proclamation based on race,
gender this your religion. And
that. The things that we want
to education, we're still
going to get done because
there best standards. But we
as a government board to not
made a big knowledge people
based on their race, their
gender, their religion or
their ethnicity. Thank you for
letting me make my comments.
As My district is probably the
most diverse.
>> Well, this year. First of
all, I won't use the word ban.
Proclamation. Just like were
going through the whole cycle
books. I don't like the word a
man. It was more removed.
Follow the law I don't like
the term fanning proclamation.
I think that there. Is value
in and proclamations. But I
think there's Des you. And
them as well. Like I said at
the workshop. If you start.
With one, the next front comes
in. The next one comes in the
next one come. And I don't
want anyone in this room or in
district to take this comment.
The money, it's mostly a
minority group. Clock
proclamations are centered
around a minority group of
people. I never hear a
majority group of people come
and say I want a proclamation.
I want a proclamation the
mission. No women, no men's.
It's always a minority group
of people. I think that there
the federal government. Doing
a specific. Timeline like the
black history and I I know
exactly what. If you're
talking about, I watched that.
It could go do some research
and see. Doctor Ben Carson
basically saying the same
thing. However, there's a lot
of people. Want stay in that.
Category have to be recognize.
We have to be recognized.
Based on skin color. And I'm
more I would rather recognize
you for your calm, plush
months. And what you do just
for the community and yeah,
I've had conversations with
people that. Was my mind, man.
Not comment from sand because
I'm this color or because I
live here. I should get. And I
hate that mentality. Doesn't
matter. You're rich or poor or
the color your skin, you. Are
in control of your own
destiny. That's where I stand.
Stop. I don't think you need a
proclamation to determine your
destiny. I think that the
whole on. Climate. Have seen
it on, keep passing it to
generation, to generation, to
generation because I'm this
color or I'm poor. You could
do. They want. And come up
with the same thing. That's
why. I'm in my Situation Day
in my adult life is because I
can from up because of car. My
skin or because I came from a
family life. It doesn't take.
Skin color or a. Social.
Environment determine what you
how you can succeed in life.
Some. Want to stay in that
perpetual. Lifestyle. Some
want to get out up that
perpetual lifestyle. So I'm
kind of torn with how to do
this because our federal
government recognizes. So it's
got to start somewhere. I
don't know if this
necessarily. Up us to do that
or it has to be done on a
national level or county
level. Rather than just a
school board level. Not that
we're just. I agree with.
You're saying that we can
bring people in here and
recognize. I don't ever want
to get into naming. FEBRUARY
14th 2025. A proclamation for.
Everybody. Have a heart day. I
don't ever something like
that. I don't ever want to get
into that kind of scenario
proclamations for individuals
that contribute to our county.
Or a school district. I just
can name full court or
whatever all of them, but I
don't want to get into the
naming proclamations
individuals because too many
individuals. It's contributed
to our district. You'd almost
have to decide which one is
more deserving any other? Who
would that be? I'm not sure if
we can find the history of
when. Hispanic Cares. Heritage
Month came I don't know if we
have got enough federal
government. Degree. Thanks
only 46 that Florida State
right, teach right. So we
time. And I tell you the
answer to your question.
>> National Hispanic Heritage
Month began in 1968. Is a
weeklong celebration that was
extended to a month in 1988,
ok, thank you. Thank you. I
think there's The PRESIDENT
Versus our country is our
county is and our state. At
what point do you use? So are
separating all these groups
and to MISTER Taylor's point.
The Jewish, you know, Asians,
the
>> Minneapolis, a city to be
honest with you.
>> Some kind of toward this.
I'm more Our curriculum.
>> To teach. I think that
where it should stay is in the
curriculum. I don't
necessarily. Think that we hop
to have a proclamation. But
the federal government. Does
the proclamation. So I'm
really torn
>> You
>> the law came out and said
abolishing on, but we're going
to recognize mlk Day. Has that
trust me over the years people
have asked why do we have a
home on? One day isn't up. For
any celebration. Look at
veterans. We don't have a
Veterans History month. We
have one day. I wasn't saying
we have one day that we
recognize veterans how about
we do it every year? You know,
we do the memorial
celebrations for all those who
served and then we do the
Veterans Day later in the
year. I don't know if there's
going to be. I think there
should be additional language
under this policy about
recognizing. State. That
what's required. In our
curriculum. And nothing beyond
that. On that second line. I
don't. Yeah. And school board
meeting honor or commemorate
individual lower.
>> That is that goes without
saying we do that all the
time. What good news moments.
And if I recommended somebody,
I think that they need to calm
and share with our district.
The great things that they do.
For our students. I don't
think that's know. But need to
be put in writing that. I kind
of have to laying If it and
our curriculum. I think that
we need go with that. But I
promise side of I don't know
necessarily have have a month,
but it just states as we're
doing it. I think it's a
required thing. To MISTER
Tatum Point, we have to teach
it throughout history.
Throughout history. So I
tornadoes because I I buy
everywhere I go to school and
I have been to many schools
over past 2 years, whether its
out east out west or in my
district alone or any of your
districts really. I go and I
see students. I see children
learning. I don't look at the
color of their skin. I
seriously do not look at their
color, their skin. I look at
kids here excited to see you.
I kids that have been aren't
hears because something
happened that morning or that
need before they came to
school that day. I think he
chirs. I don't look at it.
Their skin. I look at their
classrooms and see how pretty
are, how dull and dry maybe
they are or how they interact
with students. But I don't
look at their skin color. We
have many people. That we
serve in this district were
customer service or not. I
know where some things there
are some things that could be
brought our attention. And I I
would totally just put my foot
down us a note. Not doing not.
But if the state and federal
government recognized specific
timelines for recognizing some
of the people that contributed
to our country. I don't know.
Now is the time to do that. I
can see that being. Later.
Come pick I mean, we just
that. Like history, I don't
think that we can. Taking
right? Think know you're So I
just I just want to say that
the board going around I know
couple key pond or something.
I just want to be. I think
there's going to be some
thoughts of their at where
they're at. And I don't think
this is a in my personal
opinion, a convincing. Well,
what about this? What about
that? A thing? I think that
there's gonna be board
members. So what I'm saying is
I'm not going to go around the
route back and forth.
17 million times right? Got.
To be honest with you.
Presentation later on for more
impactful. Important to spend
hours on you rather than this.
So I just I'm gonna go this
these I've said what I said. I
still stick with putting the
language I fit in there. Got
strictly live with the Florida
State standards. State.
Federal law. That's that's my
stance. I will go overtime
here again. I thought I didn't
I don't want to go back and
forth back and forth. We got a
long day so it felt right now.
>> I wanted to point out that.
Our proclamation, we don't
discuss anything that's dei.
We don't discuss slavery. The
one that we just had. Talk
about black Americans remain
in plant and Byron
contributions to history and
culture of state of Florida in
Manatee County, Black
educators. This is part of
where I was going like played
a prominent role in the
history, education, Manatee
County. We talk about required
by Florida statute. Isn't our
proclamation about teaching
history. So those things I
don't see as political we
don't we don't bring up any of
the things that you are
referring to. So that that
that was my response to that
comment. I agree with MR.
Kennedy with basically
everything he said. I agree
with a and what she was saying
about. But it is recognized by
the government that I know we
we don't generally, though we
haven't had a bunch of
different groups coming
demanding proclamations. It's
never come up before. So I
don't see that it's going to
suddenly start this week or
this year. With regards to
military appreciation, that is
actually the entire month of
MAY is military appreciation.
We just don't. I don't see why
we couldn't a proclamation
recognizing that we have a
number of veterans here. I
myself, the child of a veteran
and the grandchild of 2
veterans, one of whom who
served in Pearl Harbor. So
military history is very
important to me as well. But
MAY is actually military
military National Military
Appreciation Month, which
includes loyalty day on MAY.
First victory in Europe. Day
on MAY 8th military Spouses
Appreciation Day, which is the
freight for Mother's Day.
Armed Forces day on MAY 16th.
And of course, Memorial Day on
MAY 25th. In addition to
Veterans Day on NOVEMBER, 11th
and I don't know, absolutely
can have a proclamation
recognizing the contributions,
our military because they they
are the heart and soul of
keeping our country safe. So I
just wanted to let you know
that we do I no, that's okay.
I didn't. I didn't know if you
remember Duran so 5 minutes
and we don't have it. We make
but we do have that day and
then and I also what wanted to
bring up the fact that if you
want to look at in our history
here in Florida. Are schools
were not segregated. Until the
1970's. Here we have teachers
and staff who burst in who
currently work in our county
who are in segregated schools.
This is not long ago. It's not
like it's 200 years ago or 100
years ago. Nothing that
talking about proclamations
referred to slavery. But i
think this show that we have
we have come a long way. We
have gun from in my childhood
having a segregated school. I
wouldn't live in Florida. But
during my lifetime, we have
segregated schools in Florida.
In 1970, widespread
desegregation was achieved in
Florida schools. And in 1976,
a federal court in Tallahassee
approved a desegregation plan
1976, I was too. So in my
lifetime. This was this was
still an issue here in
Florida. So I think it's
important that we recognize
that and, you know, we don't
have everybody coming out and
asking for lots of different
proclamations, a lot of other
things. And I understand MR.
Tatum, you're not wanting to
focus on race, gender,
ethnicity, or religion. But
here in our board meetings we
have in vocations where we
have prayer, which is mostly
Christian. Where we are guest
invoke haters mention Jesus.
In addition to GOD and not
everybody believes that Jesus
is the Messiah. So, you know,
if we're going to eradicate
that been, are we going
eradicate implications as
well? So this is just is just
what my thought process is
going. So I do completely. I
understand where all of your
coming from. I do. And I say
that very respectfully. I
really mean that but I feel
like as asthma spray said
that, I don't think we can
just stop doing them. As the
federal government is
recognizing them. I feel that
we should as well. We thinks
MR. Kenny? Yeah, real quick. I
sort of respect policy.
>> Interesting and I certainly
would have a lot of this
debate on the specific
proclamation. But what's the
policy and Mr? Take a look at
just one road board members
should be able to bring.
Objectionable war to some
offensive proclamation. I also
think one or 2 board members
should be able to stop a
proclamation that the majority
supports. So I I hope. That we
can getting bored majority to
support. It would require a
board majority to morning or
stop a proclamation that my
Thanks that. Senate.
>> So this permit the point
that some of the federal and
state governments. There
statute or whatever, but that
would be bizarre that's true,
because on 31st of JANUARY
2025. Released from the
Department of Defense guidance
from the secretary of Defense
Identity Month that the
Department of Defense, our
unity and purpose are
instrumental to meeting the
department's warfighting
mission. With, but education
and their instead of war
fighting for a school district
or something that
educationally mind it efforts
to divide the 4th. But one
group ahead of another road,
camaraderie and threaten
mission execution going
forward. Dod components and
military departments will not
use official resources to
include man hours.
Celebrations or events related
to cultural awareness Month,
including national
African-American Black History
Month Women's History Month,
Asian, American and Pacific
Islander History Month Pride
Month. National Hispanic
Heritage Month National
Disability Employment
Awareness Month. The National
American. And Then Heritage
Month, certain members service
members and civilians remain
permitted to attend these
events in an official capacity
outside of duty hours.
Installations, unit and
officers are encouraged to
celebrate the valor and
success of military heroes of
all races, genders and
backgrounds. As we restore,
we're a culture. Indeed. Those
we are proud of our warriors
and their history might we are
proud of our educators and
history, but we will focus on
the character of their service
instead of their mutable
characteristics. This guidance
is effective immediately.
Federal government going down
that road. And the Department
of Defense, which is the
biggest federal department has
already made that change.
We're going to do
proclamations. I think we need
to decide who gets to decide
them. It just the CHAIRMAN?
Like to do a proclamation
We're going to proclamations
are a lot of things I like to
do. Proclamations on founding
This is this is the month of
the we celebrate the PRESIDENT
To birthdays of the PRESIDENT
Of the United States Pacific
leave Washington Lincoln. And
some of the other ones. So can
can I bring up a proclamation
for that? Founding fathers and
competitions that they've made
to, you know that I America,
America and their heroism. I
can tell you that Polk County,
their education Board of
Education, decided not to do
any more proclamations just
because of these reasons.
There the line exactly what
the Department of Defense is
saying. We're going to start
focusing on the content
people's character instead of
the color of their skin. But,
you know, who gets to decide
which one of these populations
come up? I can tell you that
tens of thousands of my voters
in my constituents want this
all be done with. That's how
they voted. That's what that's
why the Department of Defense
is doing what they're doing.
So, you and so if we're going
to, I don't think it's right
that the CHAIRMAN Of the board
and the superintendent to do
this. And so if we're going
to. You know how these
proclamations, I think should
be voted on. I think that do
you. You mentioned one part of
that should be voted on and
you know, if it's a divisive
subject like a 3 to 2 vote.
But to me tells me it's
something inherently
political. That shouldn't be
part of what we're doing. That
one board member wants to
simply acknowledge block their
apartment. There has been
Hispanic Heritage Month for
some reason. That's fine. But
a lot of my constituents want
this to be done with. That's
what they voted for the
national level. And that's to
degree what they voted for me
or so. I would say that we
should do this unanimously in
that one of the subjects of
these proclamations. Because
of their given political
nature that that shouldn't be
done. So we have to decide in
our policy who gets the bring
them up. I think they should
be to be done in a unanimously
with the Super majority. If
we're going to do that. It was
far as per goes. Is not is not
a. Proclamation. A sense of
what we do for proclamations.
And that's probably another
discussion for another day.
But Congress congressional
Congress has the chops That's
long established many court
cases that in my research on
that. But we will go there
today. So my point is that
we're going to do the I think
that should be unanimous. Or
at least a super majority and
that board member then can
bring up a proclamation
because it shouldn't be
available just to the CHAIRMAN
And to be superintendent site
so. Thank Michael
>> MISS Pressly Year. Look it
up the it's a real quick,
please do. The very first
2025. Trump acknowledges
proclamation night FEBRUARY
but So I know the Defense
Department did it absolutely
agree with that. But the
PRESIDENT United States. Did
the opposite tens of thousands
of supporters probably vote
for them did so. This is not
like black and white. You
know, political that you know
what it's inherently political
over disgusting.
Unfortunately, could read
>> First of all, as far as
>> segregation the 70's. You
know, I I recognize there was
all those across the country.
To be honest with you. Just
not here, but Riordan, 2025
now. We there learn for
history. Are we dwell on it?
And that's good. Term. I
think. I would rather learn
and not repeat history, then
dwell on it. And as far as and
GOD, all over our money. Just
look at GOD we trust. When say
the Pledge of Allegiance. I
always say one nation under
GOD. Because to me that. That
together, one nation under
GOD. I don't do the Probably
only one and a set of gear,
but the dod did did that. I
vaguely remember hearing a
little bit about thought. To
MISTER Show its point. The
PRESIDENT Did declare on
FEBRUARY 1st. If you look at
the history of the voting
record that came out for help.
Like I said, I don't know Now
is the time to do All right.
General of the proclamations.
Unilaterally. I think that
this is this something that we
need to put in policy. If it's
being federally. Then it
should be. Recognized.
>> She went to PRESIDENT,
>> saying get I I I'm not
saying ok, strike that. If
it's been. I just hate Cut it
off all at once. MR. Tatum. I
really I think that really
have done. Black History Month
has been. On the books for so
long. And 4. To just write
that down. I don't think
that's a good thing. Okay. But
I also think that we need to
consider. Stopping at at some
point. I just don't think
FEBRUARY is the time to do it.
Or they followed. Now we have
to.
>> I know, that feeling know.
Always bring out back to the
policies. Can always modify
Apollo Yeah, like it back to
policy and it looked like I
said, I'm not I'm not allow
>> to go because all go back
and forth and on and on. But
MISTER Taylor brings up the
point. We do have to. Figure
out something with the policy.
There's a majority. It seems
like that want to add
something to first line here
that states. We're allowed to
do them following the Florida
state statute miles. What's
what's in instructional
standards and abide by the
state and federal law. Yes,
now. How do we decide how it
who doesn't write? I am not
advocating that is the chair
and the superintendent. It
needs to those brought up. I
didn't think about it. It just
the population just. We're on
the agenda and never once did
I Dri from here. MISS Saunders
did you for the they were just
all right. So I get it, I
getting for chair to have it.
That's it should be. It should
be from the board standpoint,
and you know, my my thought
process that we can put
everything we want to hear.
That it would be review that
board briefings to save Want
you briefing or not? I think
you have to put in there to
say something to extent of. 30
days the population has to be
into the district no later
than 30 days.
>> Before the.
>> The proclamation is is
being asked to be done because
you've got to have time for
the board members to review
can be like heyday the
briefing. I want sit here as a
board member, something like
that, the last one. And then
we got to go back in. We can't
discuss it. So I think it's
got to be some kind of a
timeline moment. You know, I
don't think there's anybody. I
do. I do again, I don't know
the history of how these
things proclamations happen. I
don't think there's anybody
coming up saying we have to do
these proclamations. The want
to be currently do. I think we
chose to do that. And how we
chose seems to that that's
always been the
superintendent. And when they
create the agenda of the chair
that approve the agenda. But I
don't know that that out, but
I think we're good something
in the policy that says
obviously. Certainly a lot of
important things and are de
facto standard Florida federal
law in 30 days before. The
said Data proclamation and
approved by the majority of
the board and average.
Advertised. I mean, Bonita
advertised it would have to
over tonight with agenda to
but we could be on the agenda.
Yeah. The 7 days. Yeah. Yeah.
It's going to be put on the
agenda just like you normally
think right now for. I think
advertisers like right, ok,
got to know it would 30 days
on the operating under for
someone to summit.
>> Okay. Us. But the winds,
however, we would say this is
where proclamations are
submitted. If you want to
present a proclamation for
your example, you have to be
30 days before 17. It's the
present day, 30 day for a 17
to have to come to by you have
go through. Is does this work
or not? We want this
proclamation or not. With With
the majority vote with it
before one of 3 to 5, 0,
>> I v I get both sides get
that. We pass to go the time.
Not a majority, but I also get
the side of Howie to board
proclamation with. 2 members.
One member of the board
doesn't agree with the
proclamation. To be honest
with you. I think no
disrespect. I I do agree with
point. You brought up with
things. But I think we've we
spent an hour now on this that
we could have been well suited
for something that's far more
packages don't I don't think
you're ever at a time in our
proclamation so far that on
the board that any type of
controversial, major
controversial things we've
tackled controversial topics,
but never because of the
proclamation I think me that I
think that if think we're can
of worms for just opened the
Cannes and now they're out
everywhere. And so we've got
to try to put it back in or
fix it. And I do agree we got
off the so they visit was the
time to do it
>> MARCH air yeah. Is because
these are going to be
substantial changes to this
policy? This won't be this at
this point. This will not be
on the MARCH. 11th. We're
going to one recommendation is
I I can take what you all are
saying. Work on some language
work with council potentially
meet with each one of you and
we can kind of come up with a
something that we can bring
back in the next policy pack
it because at this point, even
if you came up with language
right now, we wouldn't be able
to because we've already
average right so so we can.
This was informative. Can
start working on this with
counsel and and you know,
bring it back or briefings or
whatever. And you know, and we
can try to.
>> Talk with us again as a
recommendation to the to the
chair.
>> I would definitely from
that. I think we have a
consensus on where we want to
land for majority of the
board. It feels like. But I do
think until we see. It on
paper and what it looks like
we're all talking like
apathetic language. We see it.
I don't think we can really
look at it and that just that
until yesterday to it. So I
would be fine with you coming
up with some. Different draft
and in meeting with
individually as well. Yeah, it
was to make sure that her
knees are good with whatever
draft you have be okay with
that.
>> took a process question
through this quickly. Promise
you said something. Not quite
sure. I understand or agree
with. Said that. Because we're
making changes to the policy.
We would not have to really
notice it. My understanding
and I could be wrong. We
started that 30 o'clock last
meeting. So that notifies the
public that a public changes
are coming to these policies.
Therefore, during this 30 days
we can make any change. We
want, including on on the
meeting that we. Vote to
approve the changes we've
made. That's what the public
hearings for public can come
up and talk about it. The
board can then talk about it
and we can make changes right
there that day. I'm wrong,
please correct me. But that's
my And I could been incorrect,
Ali, not my.
>> The law firm over Council
to weigh in on that MR.
Penalty, MR. Day.
>> And once the language is
advertised, if there are
substantial changes made
needing, they have to be re
advertise for 28 period,
person chapter one. 24
statute, one, 20. Thank you.
Okay. It's permit.
>> that goes to my point, you
can pull this particular
policy. Henry start by having
another right or have the
other ones. But right. Just
real quick. I want to say I
completely support what you
chair and that going forward.
I think that with that.
>> some the plane.
>> So look at table in this.
Then getting some language
that we've talked about
meeting with individuals
pulling this obviously from.
The next meeting. Moving on to
the next policies Chad, to be
put just the proclamation
piece of the language. Can my
letter had things
>> U.S. Letter that stay?
Yeah. I mean,
>> we did that. That's not
spent an hour and that had i
had go right after that. You
know I would just pull that
first front line. I also, by
the way, I have no other
comment on any of the other
policies and and that.
>> means many of them. I MAY
have to lean MR. Die again on
that because I think what
you're asking is can we get
rid of the? First first
sentence and still publish and
proof potentially this policy
with. Just the letterhead
added to this policy, I'd have
to lean on council that
because that might be
substantially.
>> It would be a substantial
change in tone. Your policy
adoption would not have. Gone
through the appropriate
advertising period for 28
days. So once you make a
change, too, what has been
advertised that has to come
back and be re advertised for
another. 28, the period So
this policy. But whatever the
was on, what we approved on
Tuesday. But you're not going
to taking up this policy.
>> You know, I think that that
all were taken home. See
section. Just whatever number
this is will not be on the
next voting agenda. A pair of
catch very no intent to amend
letter. Have one of these that
at the whole nother. Talk
about budget that note. Leave
it. Another 2 So thank I do. I
don't have any other questions
with the next policies either.
But go ahead and okay. All
joke to a woman. That's even
that's right. Thank. Thank
you. MISTER Chair to the next
policy is a new
>> Name image and likeness I l
as we've heard it and
athletics, this is a new
policy. It it.
>> It's almost word for word
>> coming straight from the
Florida High School Athletics
association's bylaws. So this
is a way to just give us like
it. You know, some some
guidelines when it comes to
eye out again, nearing almost
word for word what public
schools follow, which is the
Florida. High School Athletic
Association. So that's that.
Policy. There. Next one, it's
a revision to 443-0003,
sick-leave and that is the
strike section. That for a
section, see if that policy
and in sick leave policy. And
addition okay. Yeah. Read
that.
>> MR. Salmond. Is that where
a fine question conference of
feedback on this one to which
class employees does this?
Redaction apply? It's not a
blanket of all employees. It's
specific are right on that,
Leon. Either MR. Dyer, Dr
Weiss, an answer that
specifically. So I so that
it's correct in the in the
>> The two-year Ian, sir. So
this provision is policy. It's
a it's a strike from the
policy which means it would
apply to all employees unless.
There is additional language
in the collective bargaining
agreement. We have one.
Employee group. Where? There
is language similar to this in
that contract. And so. That
provision would survive this
change in board policy,
although that is one of the
issues that we are. It All
right. Thank you, Frank.
>> And vote.
>> I do have one one thing on
on this policy in that and if
I'm understanding this
correctly, this is as
professionals in our lean on
bargaining employees so who
all does that encompass? Is
that absolute everybody except
for bargaining units. So
principles. Correct? Okay. All
right. So unity. I want to
make sure I had it in my head
correctly. So my question is
this why when we talk about
family? It says, let's with
sharing sharing family. Take
see. Consumption, which line
I'm looking for here. This
just I think Section 3 is that
we're talking about and my is
that's safe you want screw
employee MAY authorize
transfer accrued sick leave to
his or her spouse, child
parent or sibling, who is also
a district employee what about
child in law?
>> Yeah, I don't know the
answer to I would think that
that should because it also
affects your child. I would
think that should also be
relevant.
>> And should be added
>> And maybe that's something
I can get back to you on one
site can confer with hr. The
is that we for it and I
understand what you're asking
because it says child and
you're asking for. Right
because it also affects the
child. You know, if it's your
your son in law, had a
terrible accident. And that's
going to affect your own
child. Yeah. Well, I did not
take things. Probably check
the the law with our council
and also to chief with hr.
Yes, I would like some
clarification on that.
Absolutely. So again, if we
change this now we'll have to
pull it and bring it back. No,
I think it's not necessary to
>> There's a dozen teams, the
stage probably answer to this
is felt his question. Just
don't.
>> Don't know because I would
like to see that incorporated.
Okay. I will circle back with
clear from there's occasion. I
think that would qualify
something that's just
clerical.
>> Okay. Clarification to
something. It's already been
advertised, not a substantial
material alteration in what's
advertised.
>> mean, don't know about the
rest of the board, but I would
like to see that included. I
see that as a significant
impacts to person's child. So
I feel like that should be.
>> I ok, I will get those
answers to it. And then see
where that takes us when it
comes to potentially adding
his boss or not. It is
possible maybe administrative
thing that We'll get back All
right. Appreciate that. Thank
you. That was it. It's still
more tax policy, MR. Chair. Is
75 40 107. Something that's
new word in all of our Guess a
new policy artificial
intelligence ai somewhat of a
simple policy for now until
technology keeps changing. You
know, we don't school
districts have up kind of a
roadmap guideline for this. So
this is kind of a simple road
map for both student and staff
work with with with what how
the technology world is
changing with a iso no
comment. Okay. All right.
Thank Next one is a 84 o
Five's something some you
know, we keep policy probably
up every time we do policy
revision. But that's okay. And
really this is a simple you'll
see it in Green, simple at its
adding some some dates is that
either the state Board of
Education or the legislature
changes man dates and dates.
Also the instrument that used
to. To do threat management
that name official name
change. So at the at the
official name, the Florida
harm Prevention threat
management very minor changes
to that policy. And then the
last one policy, 87 10 our own
revisions to make sure that
not only the director of risk
management, also the general
counsel can can settle can
make settlements and then made
sure we add Updated. The
dollar amounts that are also
neared in our purchasing
policy as well. So essentially
you're giving the same dollar
amount that are consistent in
the purchasing policy along
with the settlement policy. So
so those are consistent. Thank
you. So that's question Kevin,
the going to take you back one
policy up about the threat
assessment tool. If you could
look at the very end of that.
>> Block.
>> The
>> letter g is in Georgia
Office of Safe Schools
Reporting, right. And the last
highlights and says the
initial reporting period for
the Florida model instrument
from JANUARY one to MAY. 31.
Is the Florida model
instrument different than the
Florida harm prevention and
threat management instrument.
Now, that's a good that's a
good catch. All add the full
name to that. Okay. So that
it's says Florida harm.
Prevention of Threat
Management Inc.
>> think we were trying to
save space. But you're
technical reasons we should at
the fully the Thank you.
>> I don't see any other board
members of Thank you very
much. Happened on those
policies. We'll take a 5
minute recess. Get everybody
>> Yeah, I think does. Senate
committee will come by the
city committee hearing.
>> get a visual for yeah. This
where MR. Barton, when you
need him for a little take a
picture Facebook picture. All
right. We're going to hire
today in the agenda, which is
policy, 51, 20 dot o 2. We're
going to look at. Stewart is
report on it and review of the
attendance zones they got into
the sport of the process as we
go forward, why did this date
for someone start off. Thank
you all for put all this
together. Lot of stuff in here
so why All I'm going
>> Thank you, CHAIRMAN. And
good morning. We're Reverend
flight here. I definitely
unseen one and only MISTER
Clerk we'll see how long this
like First of CHAIRMAN, I want
to emphasize because this will
be a long presentation.
Nothing that we are talking
about today impacts the 2025
26 school year. And I just
want to make that clear for
the public.
>> we're not making or are
talking ability changes to
attendance zones that impact
the next school year. We're
getting a start. 4,
potentially 2026 27 because
this is obviously and issue
that is going to draw a lot of
attention sometimes a lot of
emotion. And so I just want to
make it clear that nothing
we're doing nothing. We're
talking about impacts this
coming AUGUST. We are starting
early. To really focus on what
our district looks like in in
AUGUST 2026. And so the
purpose is to present the
results of a periodic review.
That is required in board
policy. 5, 1, 2, 0, 0, 2,
again, board members. I know
that, you know this already,
but for the benefit of the
public, this is step one in
potentially a very long
process. No decisions are
getting made We're not we're
not asking for.
>> a ton of board discussion
on.
>> He decision points today.
We're presenting the results
of a review.
>> And I'm sharing a
recommendation that I'm going
to be bringing to the next
board meeting board members.
You have slides in front of
you along with Watson, lots of
data. We're going to take
questions slide by slide on
this presentation. And then
obviously we can do around of
questions at the end and
although board, we want to be
sure we answer all of your
questions. You MAY ask some
things that we're going to
cover at a later point in the
presentation. And so if we if
we defer a question until
later in the workshop that
that's not out of disrespect
to your question, it's just
that you need additional data
or information so that we can
fully answer that question. I
believe that as we go through
this presentation, you'll have
additional requests where will
all be taking notes to be sure
we get those right. I do think
that as we go through what
could be monthslong process,
there's always the risk of so
much so much data that we end
up kind of in analysis,
paralysis situations. So I
think what would be hopeful
for my team is as we go
through the workshop, you have
additional data you want to
let's be sure we ask it in
here for a future meetings or
workshops because I'm a little
concerned that as we go
through this process again,
one of our risks is that
individually, you MAY be you
MAY be asking for data that
collectively becomes too much
volume for this team to
handle. We're not hiring
additional staff to do this.
I'm not bringing in an
external consultant that
doesn't know our community.
We're going to take this on
ourselves. But, you know, but
we do have to kind of manage
workflows this slide deck was
posted online. Right now it's
under the board agenda We will
end up a likely putting it on
were on a on a more kind of.
Some truly publicly facing
page. It's obviously a very
heavy slide deck. And this is
a kind of a preview of the
approach that the team and I
are going to be using. We're
going to be as transparent as
possible. But we're also going
to be debated, drew than in
the recommendations that we
make in the decisions that we
ask you to meet and then, of
as we go through this process,
I think people will see there
will ample opportunity for
public input. And in fact, one
of the tools that we're going
to be using is going allow
members of the public to give
us input. 24 7 and so will
always have public comment at
board meetings and workshops
where we're going to need a
lot of public input to make
sure we get all of this right.
And so again, they'll be lots
of opportunity parents,
community members. I'm sure
we'll even hear firms from
some students You all know
that. I love that. So but
again, just to stress for
those that we're either
watching live. Watch us later.
Nothing that we're going to
ultimately ask for effects
boundaries or school
assignments for the 25 26
school year. We're. We're
locked in with our plans.
There. As you can see, you're
going to be hearing from a
total of 7 members of the
team. Will be in some ways the
core group that works on these
issues. But I also want to
stress board members there.
Lots of other people that are
going to be supporting this
work. So in advance. Thank you
to all the clerical support
for all of the people at this
panel because all of our
assistance or we're going to
be very busy with this
process. But there's lots of
other staff that helped to put
today's presentation together.
And then obviously that will
be involved in the process
moving forward. We're going to
cover these topics today and
obviously will we need to stop
with the chair is ready to
take a lunch break. We'll see
how far we get after topic for
If we can get that for is
probably a good natural break
in the process because topic
for his data heavy and then
topic 5 is data heavy. And so
that might be a good place for
you all to pause, but
certainly will will do
whatever the board wishes and
they'll be they'll be a
presenter on each of these
topics. The initials are
there. That's to help you in
case you, you know, have
follow up questions were need
to think back on this? And of
course, we're sitting as a
panel because we'll all jumped
in to answer your questions as
needed. Right? So we're going
to start with an overview of
policy. 5, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0,
shoe. As a reminder to the
public old word policies are
publicly available online. And
there is a Web link from this
presentation to the board docs
sight to see all current board
policies. 5, 1, 2, 0, 0, 2, is
a policy that will probably
will have memorized by the
time we're done with this
process. Is titled The
Rezoning of Designated
Residential Attendance Zones.
We last updated this policy in
OCTOBER of 2024 previously, it
was simply call policy 5, 1,
to 0. And it was it was a
lengthy policy, a little bit
cumbersome to navigate. And so
we broke it into 4 sub
policies dot '01, covers the
enrollment requirements of the
district for students entering
our public schools dot 0,
covers processes along with
some 3 and then the last
policy cover school choice
ultimately this policy.
Includes all of the processes
related to how attendance
zones are reviewed and then
the rules that are in play
when enter re zoning. This is
a different process. Then what
the school district to use
several years ago, the last
time there was a major
rezoning, the key to the
process is that we have this
report. And then if the board
authorizes the initiation of
the revision process. Then we
go through all of those
procedures. And so we're not
gonna go through the whole
policy today. Again, today is
step one. It's really the
report to the board. So
working from 5, 1, 2, 0, 0, 2,
in this light is taken
directly from the policy. The
policy says that the board MAY
consider revisions to
residential attendance zones
for for reasons. Reason. One
is if we have construction of
a new school or additional
capacity of the existing
school, we have many of those
projects under way and you're
going to be getting a
construction update for MISTER
Gough here. And if you missed
few minutes item, number 2, is
losing or suspension of
operations at an existing
school. That is not a topic
that this meaning the staff
has explored. But obviously as
we go through the process, if
the board wants to talk about
that based on the data, it cam
reason number 3 is
significant. Overcapacity or
under capacity individual
schools that cannot be
resolved through other
provisions of board policy we
do believe that we have both
significant over capacity and
some under capacity that
cannot be result through other
policies. And we'll talk about
that today. And then finally
in anticipated student
population growth or decline.
Certainly we are going to
population growth environment.
Both is a community. And as a
school district board members,
I sent you an article last
month, the analysis that was
done that shows that when you
look at overall public school
enrollment said district
operated and charter operated.
We are now the 70th largest
school district in the United
States. And among that 100
largest school districts about
3 quarters of them are in
declining enrollment
situations. But we are among
the smaller group of districts
where there's actually been
enrollment increases over the
last 5 years. We certainly
have not that kind of a 4th
reason for starting the
process. And so our policy
goes on to say that it my
responsibility in this team's
responsibility to periodically
review enrollment facility
utilization and projected
growth to ascertain whether
new attendance zones are
needed or or or revisions to
existing zones and that if the
results of that review
indicated need for revision or
for new zones, that it's my
responsibility to recommend to
the board. The initiation of
the revision process. And if I
bring that recommendation, it
must come with a timeline and
a communication So we'll talk
more about that at the end of
the presentation. But that's
the perimeters of today's
review. So if you're if there
are no questions I'm going to
turn it over to MISTER Jensen
and he's Could just give you
an update on current district
and One morning as Doctor
Weissman alluded many of the
slides in the presentation
contain a significant amount
of
>> And in order in order to
provide a clear portrait. We
really needed to identify a
point of time in which we're
going to capture data, right?
Because we gain and lose
enrollment on a daily basis.
And so we needed to identify a
specific date by which we're
going to construct construct
all of the data throughout
this presentation for you in
kind of anchor that. So this
slide shows you that the date
we selected was our survey to
submission that occurred a
knot on OCTOBER 10th. We
selected the state because
that's a critical point in
fall where we submit to the
state that has funding
implications for the district.
We could have considered
selecting the survey 3
submission, but we have yet to
receive the 3rd count from the
state on that every year it's
been getting later. And later
we received that count, as you
can see in 2023 receives on
JANUARY, 17th, the following
year in JANUARY, 23rd and as
of this week, we still have
not received 3rd cap that yet.
So we thought that the survey
to date was the perfect date
that would allow us to kind of
anchor all of this data for
you in pain, a consistent
portrait throughout the
presentation. So in the next
slide, you see we've broken
out at data for you. And this
is the set of numbers will be
operating from throughout the
presentation in the District
on a survey to we 10th out our
story. 41,700 55 students
spreading the up quantities
above that total number
throughout elementary, middle
high and our special centers.
A quick question. Real quick.
Yes, or of a different just I
just want visit, including
charter what that have been
just at a graph. I don't have
that exact number for you, but
it's going to be in the 55. 50
said yeah. 54 somewhere in
that range.
>> you're you're going to be a
you're going to be at.
>> 10 to 11,000 more for the
charters and then the
additional count is the
Florida power scholarships.
>> Oh, they MAY. They be to
prep school make that not
charged. But just in general,
okay. As I have feeling power
and sort, that's actually a
great segue into our next
slide because
>> The the annual kind of
budgetary process and
forecasting enrollment, you
know, really begins at this
point. The years week, get 3rd
count and then we start
selecting a state model our
enrollment projections for the
upcoming year and the the
challenge with forecasting our
enrollment on a year-on-year
basis right constructing a
budget staffing schools. Is
that? If we look at kind of
this prior year's forecast in
data. Our enrollment as we
captured and serve it to us.
41,755. But if you take kind
of the total number of
students in the district
right, and then you back out
with charter schools report.
Their enrollment is going to
be because that's a self
reported projection from the
charter schools. And then you
back out what the state
anticipates voucher program
participation is going to be
you end up with. In the case
of the prior year, a number
like 39,300. And 44, so if the
state over estimates about
your per space, you're the
charter schools over estimate
the number of students that
will be enrolled. Those sites.
We could end up with a
significantly lower district
projection. If we take those
numbers at face value. And so
we have to do our own own
projection make sure we staff
appropriately into what we
think the number of students
who are walking on the first
day of school are that's part
of the art and science of that
annual staffing and
forecasting model. So you can
see like in this prior year.
We staffed significantly
higher than that. 39,000
projection. And we even
exceeded that. And role by the
time we're it survey We do
have a question on the site.
>> Expect wrecked just quick.
A lot of numbers. Lot of gaps
in the numbers to you say that
41 at the very first line. 41
7.55 Exceeded net forecast. 39
3.44, so we forecasted and my
understanding.
>> Okay. We didn't forecast.
So if you if you look at the
Theresa Bullets. All right.
We're the first bullet. The
56,470 total students is from
the Legislature's conference
report. Last MARCH. Okay.
That's the that's the number
that there forecasting. We'll
be in our district schools.
Plus, charter schools. Plus
the voucher program. Okay. The
conference report also tells
us of that. 56 for 70, the
state's forecast of how many
vouchers will be issued. Each
charter school gives us their
projected enrollment. And so
the point is that. If all of
the charter schools make their
projected enrollment you use
the state's estimated now
numbers and you back then out,
we should have been at 39,344
students. Okay. But in our
district operated schools, the
actual number of students in
seats on OCTOBER was 41,755.
So there's a so there's a
pretty significant Delta there
right? The key is that at some
point we have to make a
decision about what we think
the number is going to be for
staffing. Wright and staffing
is our is our highest expense.
So what if we got our staffing
wrong? It has a significant
impact. And so we're we kind
of landed last year when it
was time to make staffing
decisions. Was we felt like
the 39 3.44 Was too low. So we
staffed or schools at 40,009
50, okay. Right. And then we
actually ended up by OCTOBER
10th that 41 7.55, and again,
we scheduled this presuming
that we would have that
calculation. 3 report back
from deo we by now as of this
morning, we still don't have
it. That calculation report is
important because that those
numbers square up our budget
from the fall. Oh, yeah. And
it's the first step in our
forecast for next year. And
then our forecast starts this
whole process. So it's it's
it's FEBRUARY 14th. And I
can't begin that process
without that calculation
report. So even today. We
can't square all of these
numbers up for you. But we can
tell you for purposes of a
rezoning analysis where we
were at on OCTOBER 10th. But
this is the reason why all of
this is important is. It is
it's all forecast, right?
Right. And so nothing we do is
ever going to be perfect. And
in a in as more school choice
options rollout is families
have more choices. Our
modeling gets no easier. And
so that we just have to go win
the as MR. Jensen said at some
point, you've got to pick a
date. Reuse the numbers and we
all know where schools
together every day that on
October 10th, there were 41
7.55 By OCTOBER 13. That
number has changed because we
have kids entering and
withdrawing every day for but
for purposes of this analysis,
that's the snapshot. But I
think all this other stuff is
just showing you that there is
a spore casting their analysis
and then it gets down to
confidence, in fact, data and
what adjustments you're going
to make. Because had we made a
decision to staff at 39 3.44,
or even sure we would have
huge class sizes, right?
Right. Right. But 40,009 50,
if we had been wrong and we
had come in at 39 3.44, we
would be deficit spending,
which is and that goes to. The
finance and the budget part.
That's why you have to have a
fund balance so that you have
cushion. For that variance.
And that was the reason I
asked the question.
>> I understand it to a
degree. But the public. You
know, understanding forecast
thing. We just got to kind go
on what data that you have in
front of you at the time. If
you don't have that to analyze
and dissect. And that's what
it is is basically dissecting
that how you're going to.
Project your your year. It all
comes down to what they give
us and what what we see in our
own communities. So perfect.
And that's going to be the
kind of where my questions are
going to go. I know a lot. But
I don't say don't take that
back. There's a lot. I don't
know. But there was a lot
more. The public doesn't know.
It's okay
>> So can you help me
understand? I assume that what
when we report data to the
Department of the year, we for
this calculation that they do
that information that we send
them. So why is it? There must
be some bureaucratic process
that we don't know what there
would be a minute. We sent
them the data when we come to
know what that is. But they
must do some magic up there
are some that. That's a great
question. And we we transmit
the data could be sent to us.
>> there
>> are a number of processes
that get run in rights,
including in some of this gets
into budget. And it's more
MISS Sellers will house but,
you every student has a
there's a program cost factor
based on what grade level
there in whether they're a
student with disabilities,
whether there are Speaker
Boehner languages. So they're
different program. Cost
factors and then the other
pieces that on fte in the
funding side he has
recalibrated. And so, for
example, if you're a high
school student, you take a
full set of classes with us.
But then you're taking an
extra class through Florida.
Virtual we're putting in our
funding, Florida, virtual
spitting in their funding.
That student gets recalibrated
back down to one fte. And so
in our minds, we're going to
get full funding for that
student. But actually, Florida
virtual staking a slice of
that pie right? So that's
another example. And then and
then another piece of this is
remember that the family
empowerment scholarships are
operating. Completely
completely separately. In
other words, to they don't
register with us that they go
through one of the scholarship
funding organizations. But
there can be multiple claims
on that student id number. And
so Tallahassee has to resolve
all of that. So yes, we we
send them what we think. And
then they send us back what
their database tells them.
Another example is in the in
the claim window in the full
you could have a student moved
from Sarasota County to
Manatee County right? And we
MAY both send that student's
id number. They're not going
to send one set of funding. To
one county, duplicate that
funding to another county,
right? So they double they
have to run all of that
through their systems to send
us back and say, ok, this is
how we result all of this. So
that's what we're waiting.
>> bullet number 2, so
district operator, Roland, a
as of MARCH. Take. This is
what we're operating on me to
buy up to today. Many students
are enrolled in our district
could button and say. I soon
as had a base for something,
how many it's So why are we
what? Why is it better to use
that of the 2 year-old and
just push the button today and
say they're actually 42,905
>> good question again, you
you have to pick a freeze
point we all we all use
different data pieces. But for
example, if we said run it
today, it's like we took a 10
minute recess and read
upstairs or in the report,
too. In the 10 minutes we're
running the report. Registrar
at a school MAY withdrawing
the trial right? A trial MAY
be moving between schools and
it depends on.
>> When that transaction hers,
the the other key behind the
freeze point if MISTER Reno,
the pulls data today for a
capacity analysis, MR. Jensen
pulls the data on Monday for a
staffing analysis. Now they're
coming to our meeting with 2
different data points. And so
that's why you want to kind of
pick one Friess point. And
keep in mind, we're making
this presentation today that
this team's been working on
this for months. So although
there's a different number
now, we've really been using
this 10, 10 24 data to put all
of this together. Doesn't make
sense it. Thank I the next
portion of the presentation
street office present a
construction update on active
projects.
>> Excuse me. Thank you, MR.
Jensen, Good Morning. Morning
opportunity to play give you
an opportunity speak about
what we're doing here.
>> Apartment construction
services. If you follow your
first light, I think this
barber, a Harvey, like to give
you an update where we are
with that one. The barber, a
Harvey new school construction
is a prototype up. Our Mona
Jane and I saw middle school
campuses. We have Harvard
Jolly who's the architect in
Smith was a construction
manager. Do an outstanding job
in this project. At the
moment. We currently have
about. 97% of the structure
completed. The site is 65%
complete. Our mechanical
electrical and plumbing
systems at a 50% completion
rate. We're getting ready to
go to permanent power in about
a week or so. And our 2 year
finishes right now about 35%
complete. So if I had to look
at the project holistically,
70% of the project is
currently complete. And we're
looking forward to meeting our
JULY 2025. Opening date. Very
excited about process of
construction is going on this
particular project. And it's
going to add another 1268
student stations. I for Don't
need to click Grande concert
coming to question.
>> You
>> can go ahead big tease.
Your boat people question.
Yeah, right. One thing that I
had the Dr about for Acreage
associated where these
projects. Like, for instance,
a slide. I don't know how many
acres.
>> This is a 30 acre site. Is
it on that I not on there, but
it's a 30 acre 38
>> And looking at the the
diagram, I see a lot of little
retention ponds and stuff like
that.
>> That's the traffic queuing
at traffic here. Is a
pedestrian traffic queuing?
Have other questions as go.
But that my biggest question.
How much?
>> And this is what wrote him.
I would like to know the
acreage associated with every
site. And what portion is not
being used in the design for
potential growth. I think
you'd be helpful with us with
future projects in the
district. Also ask about a
list of actual properties that
we currently own to include
bank lots or on utilized
portions again, I believe this
will be helpful information to
the board now.
>> can provide here on the
project here we identify
future growth for new building
and this particular
architectural design. We also
identified playing fields were
identified courts, basketball
and tennis. So we have a
pretty good overview of how
the acreage is being utilized
and we can make it necessary
adjustments if if necessary.
Identified pardon me how we're
going to use all of those 30
acres. Rick has site plan.
>> Wright restarted some of
project. The design. This one
started in 2022. And now we're
going to open probably. 25
you're saying
>> did we take in
consideration the massive
growth as we go on what I
worry about with all of there
were do just say there was
Remember, we have a pox. That
ready for the are right for
right Yeah. Got live with
that. Wasn't I get this when
we We've been dissipated.
Another two-story addition
which will be talking about
later in the
>> All I cement but should be
cleared. And that's exactly
what I was representing the
first like we will generate
whatever date of the board
once. I just want everybody to
be here so that we don't
>> have to do, you know,
fighter reach out to No that
soon. Vice you would like to
know on active in future
projects. How many acres we
have. And then I think I heard
you say how many acres are not
being year to last, right,
right. Keep keeping in mind. I
know you're saying that this
is a 30 acre acre lot.
>> So and you you're saying
that this site has a Bucs are
ready for future growth? Yes,
it Ok, so that does good. In
my We're worth thinking out of
the box even no pun intended
and investment. That's the
advantage of having the deputy
superintendent who's an
architect.
>> Having seen some of Mr, Run
all these pass projects even
before manatee. That's that's
what we support moving forward
is.
>> We MAY not need Now.
>> But what is the expansion
look like and got the right
kind of precip keys. Insisting
on that on these projects. Up
to.
>> 5 years beyond even I I 30
acre site. How much of that is
being used? Much is we're
going to have for future
growth other than I'm guessing
it was a 6 or a construction
for future. So it looks like
from this that we potential
even beyond that.
>> It exactly. But one of the
things you need to consider is
we are looking at additional
classroom space. But you're
kind of locked in one with
what we call that course.
Space dining. You don't want
to start. At 09:30am, in the
morning. If you get too large.
All right. From the standpoint
of safety and security, the
other common space or
corridors. And we want to make
sure that we don't have
congestion in the corridors as
well. Administration is
another point that we look at
just, you know, handling of
the guidance level in the
administration. So there are
some fix points, which are
those core components. But we
make sure when we're designing
and we're looking at growth
that we've increased the size
come we did moment. So
remember, we had that
conversation about what was
the core size been a So we go
through that process to make
sure that as we add capacity,
the core facilities can I can
handle the truck but traffic
>> you also asked for current
currently vacant parcels that
the district owns was that
your was at the center
Minutes, that do not have.
>> Get a good example. Right
front. I have no idea how
acres is there. And how much
do actually use for students?
That kind of I hope we have
property that. Like that.
That's a perfect example. And
what I know we have discussed
another workshop, the property
that we have down at psc. But
I don't know if there's other.
Parcels that we have that.
We're never gonna be able to
use this little section for
this reason or that reason the
8 or 2 acres, whatever. No,
I'm saying that that's kind of
like her. I was going on. What
do we actually don't want to
read? Don't use what can we
not use that kind of thing?
Yeah. I had asked if we could
at the acreage onto but I
understand that would probably
been a lot of work.
>> vice chair, the other
pieces when you talk about
unused acreage, keep keep in
mind to a principal right?
Green space. Those get you
straight there. So, yeah, and
we've got we've got a former
right pe teacher on the board.
You've got if you've got green
space available for kids to
enjoy, it gets understand,
that's Yeah. Now we just need
to work on the shape for
those.
>> record and some of the
other Yeah, real quick,
gentlemen, I have a question
about the picture. Is this I
want to get is this Fort Hamer
road that's picture here or is
that River Trail program a
message to for a We're hearing
out of the picture up North
right here. Yeah. Got tap yes
of time. Okay. By the way, I
like the new branding is
already here for harboring or
3 branches school. Nice touch.
Thank you very much.
>> On the next slide, I like
discuss Lake Manatee, Kate.
The on state road. 64 and
Academic drive. Designed by
hks in dc is the construction
manager. Again, this project
is going extremely well. We've
got 95% structure completed
another 75% of the site work
done. The man that mechanical
electrical and plumbing
systems. Got 45% that were
completed and be a tear
finishes is growing at a rate
of about 25%. This project is
well, I-70 as a whole is about
70% complete and it will be
ready JULY 2025. With the
elementary portion of the
school opening and the middle
school portion of the school
pursuing after that with
expected completion around
MARCH. It's just a technical
and that's 48 this a 40 acre
acres.
>> man I just want. Boredom.
Even the public to understand
when you're talking about.
Interior finishes, that does
furniture. No separate is not
being paid the from trend
where final touches to end.
And right and Things of that
nature. Make sure people who
in this project adding another
1620 students stations.
>> For same question.
>> What's the what's the
closest main intersection to
Lake Manatee?
>> it will be uline and
academic drive. You line runs.
64 runs East and West. You lie
runs North intersecting and
off of you. Running to the
east is academic drive new
drone.
>> You know that as a pilot
take off, you're going to play
the bass favorite choice of
this thing called an alternate
plan in case the weather is
bad. It they say you get a
base is so what's the
alternate plan? If like we get
3 hurricanes in JULY and
AUGUST. And that's all whole
plan that we put together. And
I'm not I'm just curious,
like, what would we do? It? We
couldn't open the schools in
the fall when more move.
Doctor Weiss on question mayor
would being with entire
leadership team is going suit
up and we're going to for
>> I don't like to it right.
High probability that I'll
have a workers comp claim, but
I would the room stuff to make
sure the schools get
Obviously, if if there was
something. Absolutely
catastrophic, we would just
simply have to survive another
year on the over capacity
sites. But we're operating
now.
>> Little board Well, you to
MISTER In all these earlier
point, you know, we reach the
point going. We had to close
to new enrollment, We could
have put more portables there.
But the principal was out of
space. She served lunch any
kind of reasonable time, And
Harvey, I think we were pretty
much an a green space for for
portable. So that core
facility and managing all of
that really is the key point.
But hypothetical, if there was
some kind of catastrophic
event. Because we didn't
actually shifting boundaries
to open these 2 schools niche
Ali, we would just revert to
what are doing this year. It
would be but that's MR. Gough
has high confidence that we're
on track.
>> in addition to that, really
this upcoming hurricane season
already be inside. So if
things were delayed, it MAY be
some striping of the parking
You know, maybe critical part
was when we have the storm's
that JUNE and JULY when we at
the foundation level and
trying to bring the walls up
and you bring the roof on.
Those were the critical
points. And I mean it it's a
great, really Will. Smith and
nbc did an absolutely great
job we could have major
setbacks as as a result of
that. So we're worried about
this hurricane season. Coming
up for the 2 new elementary
schools in as we try to get
out of the ground in a
seven-day shuns in get that
level of work done. Our
concern usually isn't at the
end, it's kind of in in the in
the middle and the beginning.
Was original pick say?
>> And to add to MISTER Of
these comments. In dc did a
tremendous job in spite of the
storm damage that we have had
on that project. They've done
a tremendous step and I'm very
excited about where we
confident, MR. Stated that
we're going to go to the
schools open on time.
>> I don't doubt that we will.
Just was curious, like what is
act of GOD that even it? And
he over or not I have full
confidence what you're saying.
I was just curious but what we
do in the event of acts of
governor. All right. That's
all have big.
>> Let's continue on. Think
the next slide is parents
community high school. We have
it addition being constructed
but company and shows was the
architect of record that
project right now is 95%
complete. So 23,000 Edition
with additional 16 clash looms
into engineering laps projects
gone extremely well. We're
getting ready to open and a
couple of weeks. As a matter
of fact, got some final
testing to doing punch list
and that this project is about
ready Finish up prepare for
the students. Talk about.
Again, we're adding an
additional 480 students
stations with this with this
construction. If had a
question, go ahead.
>> I was there this week.
They're very excited about
that opening around the
outside a little bit. Their
defense when when this opens
and neglected to ask the
principle time when this
opens, is it going to reduce?
>> Class sizes, currently
current class sizes as well
since that will be open during
the semester. Do you? You
know, if that's going to a way
to do that, or is it just?
They're going to be able to
take because I know they're
floating teachers right now,
right? So and then giving them
a place that.
>> You know, my discussions
with the principal, he does
have a number of floating
teachers that will finally
have a home, a permanent So
that was his priority. Thank
>> My question more about.
Forward thinking that's what
we're all doing. Your return,
forecast.
>> When of the school 7 years
ago. By 5 years you ok? Was
there discussion there's some
leading to MISTER Kennedy.
Hear about copping that. Boxed
in for future growth. Instead
because we didn't do out there
for about did We part of the
plan. Your future growth. Go
ahead and do the box.
>> Utility worst are about to
write the proposed location.
We actually had the facility
design already rough greeting
final grading was certain that
as well. And so it was just a
matter of starting pour
concrete and going 19 years
here. We've typically had
additional.
>> Designed for added
additions and for portables.
At the time. We didn't have
significant growth that we're
experiencing now. But all the
designs had room for
additional classroom space and
for Portables. I guess my
question.
>> Why didn't we just build it
done when things are way
cheaper than they are now?
>> Bridget and what what it
doesn't, what it does and what
We all here and say GOD, like
been 10.5 million in building,
right? So that's the hard
part. Still, prices cheaper.
Budgets were
>> I love those like. But if
it doesn't get cold.
>> getting nice. Going to say
to that point like that was
the bounce was that we've got
to keep. The budget under
control and the growth we're
having now was the same growth
we're having 6, 7 years ago.
So we knew. Just like we know
now we've got to create one
for expansion. And that's
that's the team perspective
from you being here during.
>> That Level growth now is
far greater than the level of
growth. That was projected in
5 years ago. I mean, I you
know, I don't have any data to
back this up. Feels to me very
similar.
>> you know, certainly during.
The aftermath of the initial
covid shutdowns, a lot of
people come Florida. So you
might have seen a little
bubble But again, no data. But
my feeling has been we were
seeing. Just as many people
coming. For 2020 as we're
seeing now after 2020. Because
it feels heavier to me that
we're seeing a lot more calm
can certainly feels heavier on
the roads.
>> So maybe that's what I
think. Just I think it's just
>> this constant growth we're
seeing kid was, I agree,
getting pretty constant. Yeah.
I mean, if you look at it, I
guess the way for the school
district. Look, this is like.
Let's look at year-over-year
over the past 10 years. That
would be like to me we're
getting every
>> And and we've done through
other things. So reports that
we see year-over-year the
projections of students go but
down. It's going and and to
spray that in. And most of
this is up here in the
district. So I can I can tell
you that it has been
consistent, the neighborhood
that we currently live in
wasn't there 15 years ago that
there were cows and now the
neighborhood that we're in is
now old. And there is get rid
her son and and others massive
growth all around us. And I
drive down road and go out
towards any of my schools out
there. And I'm like
neighborhood wasn't here last
week. But it's been like that.
It has been like that
consistently over the last 15,
10 to 15 years. Is. It is. And
it's funny because people
think there's nothing they
still if they've never been
out there. But you all, of
course, have they still think
there's nothing there, but but
no, we read the cows have gone
have a lot of other things.
And also to your point about
why didn't we build it before
it's been my experience. When
I was a journalist based cover
the Metropolitan Planning
Organization we were always
asking why don't you? Why
didn't I-75 now? Or why don't
you widens 64 now or things
like that? Because but they're
building out there. And that
was always the what we can't
do it now because what happens
growth doesn't come and and it
is. It's frustrating. It's
really frustrating,
particularly for those of us
out there who are now going
wise and 301, whiter, you
know, it is. But it is. It
comes down what happens or
doesn't happen and the money
and the money the money. And I
think.
>> No, sir, forget they cut
off. Next slide. I like to go
any Lucy Williams. We're
getting ready for to construct
a classroom addition there and
it currently and the gmp
getting ready to go to the
board when to sup 8
construction starting.
>> In 2025 and at the end of
the year. That's going to be
another 162 additional student
stations to that campus. And
look at that picture.
>> That is. Behind like when
you're on. For him or for him
use to hide it right right,
MR. China.
>> Is Williams is now
basically mean, beyond
capacity, going get back to
that city and So this question
is only relevant to me because
I happen to drive past
William's that this missile
yesterday
>> as I was looking at my gps
that are going try and read
Mark on the road Williams but
I'm curious, there some backed
up onto Fort Hamer for Hammer.
Excuse me, is in the is in the
construction plan. Any added
capacity for a car cueing.
>> Thank. You know, MISTER
Kennedy will have additional
funding for that in this
particular desire cut. We
bring even more come into
things. But that's that's
going to create a significant
traffic isn't as of right now,
a lot of space for either with
existing is 16 site rather
okay. Parts Britain.
>> Some of the some of the
anticipated growth there is
the. Developments that are
very immediately proximate to
the schools. So there MAY be
additional walkers as that
school continues to grow. But
again, we also need to be
looking at the attendance zone
for William course will get.
>> Okay. Is used to with the
walkers and stuff? I'm Amber.
When developed that maybe a
couple years ago, maybe before
Christ you were here. There
was there was a lot of e-mails
about.
>> The speed people walking
kids walking on Fort Hamer. So
you're looking at this picture
like I don't know exactly this
picture where development is
happening and what's not. Is.
But if there was to be
development bike directly
Roundup.
>> On on our line.
>> Can we do anything with
those developers, bill but to
do a walk-through? I got a
example at Stewart Elementary
right in the back there. A lot
of this more used to be a part
of a driveway or not drive a
bit of side wall with that to
the neighborhood. So something
like that means that the
majority talk, think, MR.
Pelly is that some type of
interface with that type of
the. So let me give you
cautionary tale.
>> And it goes back to. The
question the spray had and
I'll get answer your question.
Built go. Alum I've been here
a long time. We're starting
renovate schools. Know that
>> so we built elmentary based
on projected growth. Coming.
>> It was fast and furious
like it is today. 2008, my
flip. A light switch. The
growth stopped. So we ended up
with a a school that was 75%
complete. Sitting out in the
middle of a field. And there
are no houses being built
around the coast. Residential
growth stock. We had to make a
decision. Do we? Let it stay
like it is or do we a smart
move push to finish? So we did
and for the next. 5, 6 years
with the bus students over to
go there was no there, but
they're not so that's one
reason you don't want to get
ahead of yourself building. It
bans. When I look at it.
Williams here, there is a and
asphalt drive. Behind the
school. So it would be yeah.
Fort Hamer Road in front and
and asphalt drive in the back.
And there's a loop. And it was
to tie in with what was
originally developed as Cross
Creek, which was owned by
homes. During that same time.
Growth stopped. They got their
selves and financial problems
the plans were banned because
we have been coordinating
hand-in-hand with them, too,
to say we're going to build
this loop so that you can
bring your your parents and
from your neighborhood in them
back to the school so they
don't have to go in for road.
But again, then having to
abandon their plans. Another
developer bought it. That
wasn't what his plans until so
we have asphalt looped in the
back of the school that no
vehicle will ever connected.
Again. A cautionary tale of
getting too far ahead of
yourself. So lessons We are
working with the developer.
Get your question. And we're
working with the developer to
get the Destrehan access into
the back of the school. That
in itself can create issues
for school administration as
to how you know how they
monitor their campus. So
nothing is set in stone here.
We just had some but a lot
times, you know, you want that
single point of access. So
now, if you've got students
are parents coming in from the
back of the school yet extra
personnel extra safeguards in
place. But we are in
discussions. We've had
discussions on that
>> respect to that point. I
know that MISTER Tatum long.
About it. We're going to build
a school and then we have a
wall and you've got a house on
the other side of that wall.
>> And they go to that school.
But they got a goal 2 miles
this way, 2 miles that way, 2
miles that way just to get.
And when that just across the
pets. I know the single point
of access. What we're throwing
more traffic. Out there, too.
So at that. I got it. Drive my
child to school. Vs. Having
walk that or but the traffic
in the traffic flow that can
accommodate that. Additional
traffic. Then you've got to
kind of look at that, too. So
that's what I would they I
mean, you go out to. I went
the soccer match at like the
ranch. Congratulation to the
girls there's several
entrances there. 4 different
areas. So you never use some
time. We've got a look at that
marketing. I'm sure you do so.
>> Yeah, yeah. And I just want
to make an observation real
quick. Some of these issues
are. We're kind of at the
mercy, the county commission
so that I I don't that. Say
that negatively but in the you
know, we have we have to work
with what we have. So in the
case of the traffic example,
we're kind of stuck there with
a 2 lane road with that big
overcrowded school. And it's
going road and it's I think
you guys are the experts at
this. You can tell me it's
probably easier to build in
Lakewood Ranch, because in
Lakewood Ranch, when it's
developed her. But it was
developed. The infrastructure
was put in first parish in
North Palmetto thousands of
homes going first and 2 lanes
and then it took to the
taxpayers to catch up after
the fact. I didn't bring up
that concerned, but I do want
to recognize that we are kind
of handcuffed by. What you
know what's planned. And that
is good observation. Lakewood
Ranch. And I've been here a
long time. Was working with
Rex Jensen, went to work for
Manatee County back in the Mid
80's mid-nineties.
>> So I kind of knew what was
coming. And Lakewood Ranch.
The difference at Lakewood
Ranch has over other
developers as they own massive
amount land which they could
plan for where lot of other
developers they have. 200
acres, 400 Acres, Lakewood
Ranch. I think initially they
had like 28,000 and they've
added on to it so they can
master planned community of
whereas those smaller shunning
say small, though they're
still big developers, but they
just don't own the mask bill
to go in and master plan
entire area like Lakewood
Ranch did. Yes, Lakewood Ranch
much easier. Deal with schools
infrastructure. Then the
schools we fund and parish.
And I know you work closely
with the county. You can't
always planning contentious
issues, but and hopefully our
county commission will. You
know, they've already begun to
discuss growth pretty
seriously with which I know
we're gonna get to later in
and I wasn't Haitian. It's not
job. Next, but also recognize
that Harvard Jolly building
companies working with us on
the end. It was too project as
well.
>> Our next slide is on are
elementary school that are
some lakes. We currently have
Skanska usa Builders. Working
on this project as our
construction manager and they
are. Want to be constructing
the elementary school, the
Artisan Lakes and at Wright
Ranch. Currently design. It
started and we're getting
ready to go to g m p when the
design development stage.
Right now we like to start
construction around MARCH with
an anticipated completion
accuse me of JULY of 2026.
Both of these projects could
be a 2 story prototype.
Approximately 122,500 Square
Feet. It's have 969 students
stations. We're looking
forward to getting this
project started on time. And
if you look at the the layout,
we show an additional lay out
for were the additional school
is going to be in that
location.
>> you. That's a little box to
the bottom That's the box the
bottom that inside MR. Chote.
That's the that's the
footprint that we anticipate
for that two-storey to be
placed. Turn off again. Same
question. What's the nearest
intersection on coach?
Charlie, I think that's big
Ben, to Yeah, I think big.
Sorry. It's right. I wrote, as
you know, Kyra, book. Like
that use myself right near
where the counties do the
Veterans Park, that's right. I
wanted to drive around up
there, but I had no clue where
to look
>> so it is directly adjacent
to the county's proposed
veterans Memorial So you can
access the site from the south
off of Moxham Wall Road on
Artisan Lakes Parkway. There's
side road that comes off of I
I think it's called Madden.
Madden form way or something
like that or you can access it
from Buckeye Road. Either
roads on the north side of of
and make this is what 18 acre
site. This is actually
winners. But there are number
of the easement over the side
for Fpnl. A number of wetlands
on the site. So even though
it's a larger side, the normal
it's we don't have excess
property there. I can on the
map and Google were that this
is coming park down here.
>> Which section did you say
for potential growth would be
that gray box down here?
>> To the rarely left.
>> There's 20 record. Doubles
located.
>> Potential portables in the
back rows of the smaller. And
worked part
>> so that would be for how
many additional? Particular.
>> It's just a place holder.
We haven't put a design with
it or identified a number of
students station
>> Okay. Just to play. So
we're not.
>> But but I mean, could
easily be was going to be a 2
story, right? We could
probably yet classroom 16, 16
totals of 320 students
stations on okay All
>> The on with Dry ranch
coming front developer.
>> this property is being
purchased from. Suburban Land
Reserve. That's so are they're
based of Utah. They developed
a lot of Artisan Lakes, which
is the development that this
is located within again, been
here a long time I worked on
our Sun Lakes and later on,
keep this reference in mind,
this is important because we
talk about the progression of
development. I worked on our
Sun Lakes when I was with
Manatee County, it's still
developing. So it sat dormant
for
>> decade. And the exact that
I love that I would think not
so beautiful. Like bridge
entrance way like that. Was it
long time to develop? Jack?
>> Vice chair when you said is
that the same? It's it's
different. Property sellers.
It's the same cause.
Destruction manager.
>> For that that's teen. Yeah,
I just wanted to see getting
from. We the same developer
Iran says all You to. Without
who started that decades ago,
the I don't know who started
this. The question we're wire.
This land is from beast owner
and you top. So you we are
acquiring from owner in Utah.
This land was designated
>> the original development of
regional impact, which was
approved back in. Want to say
right around 1990, development
rejoin impact or large
developments. Take don't
recognize me more. But it was
a type of development that the
state recognized at the time
and they had to go through a
heightened level of review.
The ones that are there still
grandfathered in. But they
really don't have new ones
anymore. This particular site
and designated for a school
site for. What's yours I don't
realize not. Great history. I
did not know that. Okay.
>> And our final presentation
the elementary school. It
right ranch. Again. It's a
prototype of the Artisan
Lakes. Campus. It's going to
be 969 2 stations. Again, 100
and 22,555 Square Feet School.
And again, we're getting ready
start this in MARCH work on
the gnp as we speak with
skanska recall it being the
architect looking forward to
completing JUNE of 2026. I
think this is an 18 acre site
as well as spring.
>> And how many I'm sorry.
>> The Sun, 18 acre site that
can understand her my family
can get a little bit more
site. The site's much more
efficient, then. And took helm
entry site the coast. We when
we negotiated this contract,
which the board just approved
last Tuesday that forced him
not to the contract. We deal
with the developer were our
storm. Water would not be on
site. It would be in their
master retention system. So
storm water takes up. In
general, probably about 15 to
20% of your site. So you
notice here, there's no
stalled on right? We even
though we bought less land we
have for you is potential for
>> So on on the the map is
that the what kind of bubble
over on the left side of it is
that where their their storm
water is? Yes, ma'am, it ok.
>> And then one of the cross
streets Charlie Thank the gets
a legacy preserve is the the
one on the right side of the
design.
>> And the one on the north
side is well over Leaf
Cloverfield later, over
something over something I'm
looking for, but it's not even
at think we probably right
now. Think.
>> for me, again, what you
approved Tuesday was something
that we negotiated the seller.
>> They had a mask grating
permit approved, which is we
found to be very beneficial to
us because that they started
in good faith knowing that
this deal was coming in us
becoming blood brothers and
say, I promise we'll do They
started mass grading the site
and they are since we don't
have any retention, they are
providing the film material
and they're providing approx
145,000 cubic yards in grading
it and that is occurring
today. And when we close on
this property, which would be
by Mid-MARCH. They will have
building area mass graded to
the elevation that we need.
And then the remaining part of
the site, though, provide all
that Fillon grating within 90
days. So it was allowed us to
get a jump on the construction
schedule goes. That's going to
save us to 3 months of time.
Well, they've been amazing and
supporting us through this
taking the steps for us. We
don't want
>> that concludes my
presentation. Thank you very
much.
>> MISTER Gough. So if you
look at the price of the
Artisan Lakes school and then
the price of the bright red
school. So number student 32.
the day all the same. The
number students are the same
actually of it. This every but
less land. So why is that's
cool? Projected to be about
million dollars more expensive
than the and the other
elementary school.
>> You think here and want say
market technical. That bills
are.
>> Yes. So the prize for the
for start of the Lake schools.
67.2 million and right. But
this is prevent schools 7, 0,
I'm sorry to take them to
given that that's that's
that's not that's not
accurate.
>> And he's agree that should
be 65. Yes, was much. I'm
sorry. I just say it was
10 million dollars. My type
the law should have been. So
>> Actually going highlight it
well and great catch. That's a
huge correction. Thank you.
No, thank It's just the power
point. This is an so there's
little different.
>> Ok, Poppy, running up and
move just one after the line
okay with going at I guess my
question do you want to stop
in the middle of this
potentially and have lunch
board. Also giving. Talking to
you all as well or would you
rather do it now? So we have
this or get through this tax
act because the section you
want to get through bison
right take a lunch you like to
that.
>> I was originally thinking
that we try to get through
this before lunch, but board,
if you if if you're ready for
a we certainly do. And I don't
care about taking a break this
up, want to get you all. I
want thank the sectional too.
The looming question to go
That's all I ever think. I
it's 12, 30 one I. That's 30
minute break. So we'll come
back and won. You guys can all
go cut your b#
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of it? That
I think we have food for
everybody, though. That
correct, MR. Chapman. Gun,
Yeah. I thought you do. Not
Good afternoon. And that's
going get back contract think
we are on Roman Numeral or
we'll the analysis.
>> Good afternoon going to do
quick run through of the
school capacity overview
couple of terms we want to
talk about first. The first is
fish capacity. And fish than
before Florida inventory of
school houses. And we'll use
that reference extensively
throughout his capacity
analysis fish is a method that
dot uses to categorize track.
And monitor the amount of
physical spaces that we have
on campus. And it's at the
campus level is that building
level and its actually at the
classroom or space level as
well. Fisher's actually first
established for campus during
the design phase. So we are
identifying the types of
classrooms. We identify all of
the sport spaces and then we
break it up into buildings.
And then we report. To the
Department of Education. That
data and from there we track.
For everything funding as well
as if we do any modifications
for the fa. So facilities,
then they track using the fish
as I say, it's a design code.
It does not fully align.
>> With the usage of the
facilities, though, because
it's identified so early in
the process by the time we've
occupied a new campus, we've
identified the enrollment.
Identified the programs. Then
at that point, fish is
probably about 80% correct.
And what drives it from not
being correct is, for
instance, classrooms. If I've
got to standard classroom,
that's a primary classroom
have 18 students stations. But
if we use that classroom for
any se program, it MAY only be
10 students stations. So
immediately, yeah, we've got
the fish capacity there. But
when it comes to the way we
utilize it, it does not align
and that that happens kind of
at every level at the middle
school and the high school
level. The oea does make an
adjustment in our show how
they do it in the charts. So
it's closer to our actual
usage at those 2 levels. But
at the elementary level is
where we always have a bit of
a challenge. So what we've
created is what's called
program capacity and what I'll
be doing over the next 3 weeks
is surveying the principles to
identify all of those spaces
on their campus and work. The
specific usage is so if we've
got a classroom, that's an
intermediate classroom for 22
children. But we're using it
for Pre-k then, you know, all
know that the 22 isn't a
portable. We'll have 10, 12
students in that Pre-k
classroom. So we'll work
through that to make sure that
we've got an understanding of
what the actual program usage,
but keep in mind, it's kind of
snapshot in time and it MAY
change over time, but it
leaves it's a better
representation of what the
campuses are actually in the
spaces are being used for.
Then the fish capacity any
questions on that. There's
real When you from us to look
at the beginning of this back.
>> we're projecting our
students and all of that in
any of those projections. Ever
consider what? I mean.
Students are 8 and s e. Do you
ever project what that
population will be when we're
doing this kinda analogy.
Because for instance, if
you've had 200 and I'm just
get doing numbers, not
factual. 200 second graders
and ese. You're probably going
to have 200 and 3rd grader
ese. So do you project that as
well? Yeah, it's it's included
in that projection.
>> Because you're you're going
up with that overall number.
And you're correct. Vice
chair, you're then you're
breaking it down by Reid
levels because, of course, how
you allocate elementary
staffing resources is
different from how you
allocate middle and then
separately. Our esc director,
our early learning director
and are sole director are at
the table telling us what
their staffing needs are based
on coach rolling those
students along with the
system. So yes,
>> that's part of the process.
So there's gap trying. This
capacity and program capacity.
And right. And or members to
talk to legislators could say
we need to fix this gap. So we
can better forecast. Property
uses are. And what are
population of these programs
are going to What would you
say if you? Prayer going to
Tallahassee next month? This
is what would be a good ask.
Good question to ask them
about this down. Think this is
like first would be the
wrecking recognition of the
Pre-k programs and the the
Pre-k programs because right
now.
>> In fish, is no Pre-k were
forced to use one of the other
designated classroom spaces
for that. We care. Think it's
and doing your poll.
>> And yeah. I'm going
>> So the main and the esc.
>> Right? You're right.
Because and again, I would
want to I would want to. Lot
of data for you so that you
didn't so that you had, you
know, the numbers to kind of
back this up. But generally
speaking, we were seeing
larger percentage of students
who are ending up in
specialized programs, right?
And so that changes room
utilization when your mistress
Rinaldi made the comment he's
going to collect all of this.
Food from principals and
again, we we trust our
principles to make those just
so we don't sit up here and
say you have to use this room
for this grade level. There
are some regulations and
within those regulations we
trust the principals to
allocate rooms to grade levels
everything else but will do
this collection of data. So
that we have more updated or
are more realistic numbers.
And MR. Hanson and his team
are actually working on a
longer term solution. So that
every time a principal makes a
room utilization change, we're
actually going to be able to
track that in real time
because even impacts, you
know, again, not not to get
too into the weeds, but as
we're watching school number
sometimes we'll peers a school
that for whatever reason has
added 15 0rd graders. We need
to send them in allocation. We
then have to call the
principal and say, do you have
a room to put that teacher We
want all of that data right in
front of us in real time. So
MISTER Hinson as actually
building an interface so that
principles. We'll be able to
do those updates as they
happen so that every year when
we run, not every year when we
run, this periodic analysis
will have the most current
data. I think once we
establish that baseline, we're
going to be able to do a
better job of really
understanding. What's the
Riccio between program
capacity and fish capacity at
elementary, middle high and
then it will also allow us to
identify outliers within
district. Right. So if you
have a school where that ratio
is much worse than all the
other schools, them, you know,
we might want to walk that
school and see how spaces
being utilized because maybe
there's an efficiency. You
know, that we can suggest to
the principles. So it's just I
think part of as our system
growth rate our school
district grows right, putting
some of the systems in place
so that we're, you know,
making good efficient
decisions.
>> So when you do pull that,
can you? Give me a percentage
our population unc students
are. And what percentage the
Pre-k?
>> Population us. Be very
beneficial.
>> What we can give you that
data. Now, keep in mind the
nuances that if you take your
for example, if you take your
students with disabilities
population, right? Not a a
percentage of those students
are fully included, right?
Meaning there. There's no
extra space being used other
than what you typically
allocate, right. But then your
it's really yourself contain
your resource classrooms,
right? That sometimes you end
up having to add more of those
at a school and then that's
where you have. Your gap
between fish capacity and
program capacity, right?
Because you're running so
contained. Autism Spectrum
disorder program in a
classroom that was designed as
a regular elementary
classroom. So on paper, it
supports 22 students, but its
actual usage. It smacks Tim.
And so that your Delta of 12
seats, right? But
>> and touring with you, I've
that exact analogy. If you
have a room. That's built for
22 students. But you do have.
15 hi special needs. You need
that space. Absolutely.
Because factors.
>> That are associated with
that particular So this would
be very interesting for me.
Just see. And it, you know, if
you could even put it on this
slide just a little thing just
from it give it to me would be
high.
>> And then once that's done,
you board members, you'll see
the program capacity because
will take the capacity charts
and will actually add. That is
Kyle So you'll have that for
every school.
>> That's perfect. I think,
>> again, knowing that that
number will change, We're
going to take one step shot.
We're going to go with that
for this exercise. And then in
the future, it will be easy to
see the updates once we are
done right.
>> But I mean, like you say,
you had to do it. Snapshot of
OCTOBER. When you got the
data, the second. Same thing.
If you do the same thing
without a second comment would
be. Unless they throw out the
3rd. Then all of a sudden that
changes. For this, it would
be. At workshop particular.
Timeline. MR. On a race point,
which is excellent about.
Bringing things to Tallahassee
because site will be there
with her so should be focused
more on the vpk and the south
contain.
>> what we should be looking
at in terms of.
>> Of those. The those are the
2 elements that Robert Lee
have, the biggest and they can
on vs Euro Graham Johnson,
thank you. And that To add on
to that.
>> Adding the bp It has been
on chopper legislative
platform for years. And it's
just. This might. Their
attention to this one
>> Okay. Before we get into
the charts, the big thing is
on the charts. We're using
fish capacity today will
eventually evolve to have a
column show program capacity
probably the next time we
meet. We've already kind of
touched on this. You know,
operating a school at 100%
official capacity or above
really impacts. This student
experience. Dining. We touched
on that a little bit. Our
corridors for safety and
security and one of the board
members brought up the queuing
of the parents as well. I
mean, as you go, the queuing
gets longer. So I mean that
there are elements why you
really don't want to be
significantly over that 100%
fish capacity. Typically, as I
stated the program capacity at
the elementary level will be
significantly below the oea
does a little manipulation of
the numbers that are show you
in the charts that that help
at the middle and high school
level. But typically they they
still are below no matter how
they've manipulated it. And
then from the standpoint of
the utilization of the
portables, can use portables
for capacity. Our average age
for the portables. I think we
say 35 plus I was generous and
went back to the deal. We've
found that it's 41 years at
this point. Right the average
age of a portable in Manatee
County schools. So I they're
they are kind of a maintenance
burden. In addition to that,
the utilization, if you have
any adverse weather. All you
know, circulation is exterior
at that point so that there
are a lot of reasons that.
It's a good temporary
resolution. However, from a
long-term standpoint, the
utilization of Portables
probably is not the best way
to address any capacity issues
that you I just say. A
teaching time the classroom
and ahead, portable for 2
years affect my favorite. But
that's just me.
>> you could feel only thing
from a lot of teachers love it
because it's a controlled
environment. I I've heard that
Medicaid of
>> I was just curious if we
had to buy a new one. You
know, the cost of a new one
appear to know. You don't
know.
>> you're probably right at
least 100 and easy 50 to
200,000 Medicaid, one portable
>> counting. Moving county
moving graphite were.
>> They bring elector to Libya
all plumbing.
>> Well, we could use the
example down doughtery of what
we did not enter at that was
expensive. One of one of them
was my classroom
>> thank you for me. He's
like, air-conditioning and I
didn't have to walk all the
way to the building. Thank
you. Work for there go.
>> Okay. So we'll go through
the first chart here and are
kind of go left to and go to
the different columns. Live
starting at the left. We've
got the school name. We've got
the year enrollment as 10th.
So that survey too enrollment
in for a nation. And then
you've got the dia. We
assigned to fish permanent
stations there. And you can
see for the take a look at
able it's 5.77 and then
permits to the capacity is
5.77 Again, the reason we show
it twice is if it was a middle
school, they would have
discounted it by 90%. If it's
a high school, they would have
discounted by 95%. And I don't
know where those numbers came
from, that is just been the
way that they kind of address
the program issues that those
2 levels and then the next
county column gives you
whether you're over or under
capacity and then the
percentage of food fish
capacity. And then the
enrollment we called the
capacity status. And we use
occurring system here. Red is
100 over 100% capacity. Orange
falling between 95 100. Yellow
is 90 to 95 light green and is
90 to 95 and then dark dark
green is 85 percent or below.
And then we turn that over
capacity approaching capacity
near capacity and then below
capacities. So that's kind of
the coloring methodology that
we've used here. And then we
translate that into the next
slide, which will be the
mapping to show the locations
of these campuses and what
their status is. And then the
blue section the numbers of
portable portables. The to
read sections are are campuses
that are under construction.
So we brought those portables.
And so they're just dedicated
for the construction project
as a swing space as we do
classroom buildings we move
passes into the portables and
out of the portables. You can
see at the elementary level
over wrong. At 85%. We've got
6 red campuses. Golan Harvey
go up being at 140%. Harvey
being at 157%. Mills. Is that
105 moody? Is that 105? So
both of those are red and then
Rodgers Garden and Williams at
one on one and 103%. So all of
those exceed that 100%. Been
oranges. Bay. Sure, there are
96% and then raw in palms. You
are yellow and they're right
around 91% as well. So you can
see the colors and you can see
that now couple things to
realize when you're looking at
campuses that are maybe at 96%
or 97% is the capacity. Entry.
Schools is right around 705
students stations. So just by
one classroom space, which
would be 21 to 22 students. On
average, you would have a 3%
swing. So even if you're
sitting at 97% thinking you're
in good shape, all of a sudden
you get, you know, classroom
of children that un role your
and your over the 100% market.
That point. So that that's
something to keep in mind that
you those that are kind of on
the verge. Ken, in couple
weeks time easily swing back
and forth. Any yes, we do.
Have we got a question expect?
>> I just wanted to clarify
your first yellow column. Per
student station right? Is the
number.
>> That is the that is the
fish number, correct? Second
is our program program pass?
No, no, no. The second is the
fish number. The way that the
or the fish capacity the way
dia Week, how to calculate
when to the middle and high,
you'll see that that number
changes. But for the
elementary school be always
says year fish. Past year.
Fish in your fish capacity are
both at 100%. So it's the same
number. And when we go to
middle and high, I'll show you
where that swings current.
Yeah, yeah, because I'm not
connecting are the reason for
the difference that you're
going to see it middle and
high schools because
>> and middle and high school
students change classes. So
there's efficiency where as in
elementary, pretty much in
that class time.
>> I'm more. I'm but don't let
title of that call. Per
student station. And then I
mean, both of them say student
station capacity so that the
only difference
>> Patients. You won't see a
different different at the
elementary when we get into
ok, why you all right at it
from I'm trying to because I'm
they
>> So from like, if I were
just looking at this, not
knowing. An outside
consultant, I just grabbed
this for the first time. I
don't much about the county. I
don't know much about the
traffic just kind of looking
at this big picture from
business standpoint. On that
on the call on the right side
and Roma versus capacities
yellow. Journey of school or
below capacity. And then if
and I made arbitrary number, I
just look, that 75%. 1, 2, 3,
4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 schools are
below 75%. And then on the
other side and the blue
percent of capacity, they're
actually 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, and
of 12 schools that are
capacity. I would say. Why are
we building all these those
schools win win? The big
picture here is. We have a lot
of schools that are capacity
and you have Kenner which side
you looked at Senator close
schools that are actually
below 75%. So and no. Is this
a good time to? At least talk
about although later on the
conversation there. I saw some
flood about traffic and we
really can't move. Could the
around camp it MAY be around.
But just a big I'm just
curious. But I think that when
you think about a go to the
next slide, if you go to where
you begin to look to see.
>> That a lot of it is driven
by geography right now, which
is east of 75 is where we have
a reds like greens and yellows
that which is West is where we
have with the majority of the
darker greens. So I mean that
it's kind it's specific. We it
it isn't. Consistent across.
But when you begin to look at
it, geographically that that's
when you can see that you've
got pockets of development,
which will will talk about a
little later later on that are
driving the red that and are
not driving the dark greens
from the standpoint of growth.
>> Do we the border?
>> All of us want to open the
can of worms that about
closing speaking can work
about closings have on this
closing schools or not because
from nose, the reality I know
we did backflip Oso about what
my point is is that later on
are also going to see where
say, you after we.
>> There are 340 million
dollar cops. We're kind out of
borrowing capacity and, you
know, I just want everyone to
have it. We want to make those
painful that might be do we
want to make this part of that
conversation? Or
>> I you know, again, we
showed that is one of the
reasons why you attendance
changes. It is very
interesting because cheat, you
know, MR. Tatum. You've got.
Again, not from a program
capacity, right from a fish
capacity standpoint. You have
3400 open seats around the
district, but about 2200. Of
those 3400 are on just 8
campuses right? So. Two-thirds
of our open space is on
quarter of our campuses.
That's that's that's the
fundamental problem right? The
you when you talk about
schools, were your under
capacity? If you're really
talking about the operating
costs, right, word the word
that general fund costs.
Doesn't really impact cost of
construction so I think that's
always the struggle to to 2
different. You know, 2
different pots of money that
are impacting the budget as
whole, but the but if the
board wanted to talk about
that. This is the time not not
necessarily But if you want to
put that on the road map
because obviously that impacts
if we get to the point where
we start drawing in the
computer program right, the
boards direction, their
impacts. What we
>> So but it would be to the
right doctor was on the
operating side. Would save
some money by not having have
a principal uncertain of
spreading false utility that
stuff. But then on the capital
side to I mean, I don't again,
I don't know what the savings,
the millions or 10's of
millions, but you know, to
keep school open. Then
eventually you do have to
invest capital funds and
replace the hvac systems n and
we saw what was happening with
our underline water heating
systems. And so, you know,
that there is capital
expenditures that have to go
along with maintaining as open
and maintain them along some
minimal operating
>> 100%. I mean, 100% behind
the reality is there's no way
and I know we're not a
business, but we would never
run a business.
>> And have a restaurant or a
store in a location and really
getting 50%. Of our of our of
our sales and still haven't
fully staffed. Knocking down
and build a new I mean, it's
it just it's not it's it's
just. And this isn't y'all
city here. This has been
problem in this district for a
long time. Right? And I'll be
honest with you is the first
time to someone's head cut.
Does it appear do this
presentation right? They can
say we need to rezone. It's
got to happen instead of doing
something up. And so I this
has been an issue for a long
time and I get that the West
Side is we've talked about is
the issue from elementary,
middle and high school. Maybe
not want to do And at one
elementary duty. But most of
them, that is where the
population. Issue is and I
just I don't know the answer.
If the closed the shutdown,
whatever. Don't know that
theater right to consolidate
because you don't want ever
get rid who who said I don't
MR. Diamond Misspent. By the
same way, I want to get rid
of. The land and could. You
never know what happens right
but it's an interesting it's
interesting. Id. I think I
think it has to be. I think it
has to talked about. Yeah,
street today which won all
that kind of craziness and go.
Go bonkers here. But but I but
I think it has to be, in my
opinion. It has to be
something that look at and
just see is an option not
going do it. Because the
reality is. You would do it in
any other venture.
>> It's just not sustainable.
This you are bound forever.
You that. It's different.
>> And looking at can Yeah,
that's right. Thank you.
Looking at this chart. And of
course, going based on what
you say. 100% fish is is over
is basically with overcapacity
for us.
>> Because of allotments case
everything else. What would
be? Ideal? In terms of percent
fish capacity at our school.
What would you see as ideal?
Would you want to that? 85%,
80%, 90%. Do we have an idea
as to what would be ideal so
that we can still have new
students come in. To those
schools without overburdening
them.
>> In previous rezonings that
I've done, we tried to set the
goal at around 90%. And then
as we moved the lines, we if
we got under 90%, we were
happy. We went over recent. We
kind of re-evaluated again. At
90% is what we set the goal.
Now, what when we go through
this survey with the
principals to figure out where
the program capacity that at
that point we'll get a real
good snapshot of, you know,
who is we MAY see a lot of
yellow and orange schools turn
to red on because of the way
that they're being required to
utilize the facility. Just as
general rule of farm and
that's where it is. We're
trying to work around a little
bit under 90 around 90%.
>> And I think that's a good
benchmark. I think the other
challenge is that it's hard to
have a universal answer when
you have a or new growth
region and a hyper growth
reaching right. In other
words, if if when we see if we
sit down and we draw. The
right Ranch Elementary zone to
immediately be at 90%
capacity. We will be back 2
years right in fixing that
because we know it's hyper
growth. So I think when we're
growing, we're opening new
schools.
>> do.
>> You probably want to be on
the lower side of that. So
that growing with the
community as those schools
open. The other variable is
vpk from the perspective of we
we MAY want to set up our
schools to be able to
accommodate more Vpk n when
the time's right. We're going
to bring you both some
existing in some future
possibilities. But obviously
that will reduce that program
capacity. You know, if, for
example you know, if we
decided that we wanted vpk at
every available at every
elementary school at x number
of seats, right, that would
universally reduce our program
then when we going to look at
the 10 and soon revisions, we
would want all that factored
in when we draw those right?
>> But again, Mr, Rinaldi
said, if you start with that
assumption. Then you're
already bringing those. Pieces
down because, again, you're
probably using full elementary
classrooms and that are
carrying on on the first
floor, 18 seats. But you're
probably not putting a team.
Four-year-olds in those rooms.
And certainly in the e p k
units, you're definitely
putting the And so I think
that's part of it. Part of I
think our work together board
is you're going to give us
some point some parameters.
Some guardrails to. So that
when going to the maps program
and start figuring out what we
can do. We're not bringing you
back things that you already
know or acceptable. Right? So,
for example, if the board
wanted to say, hey, we want to
reserve 3 space is that every
elementary school for Vpk,
then we looked at it as a
perimeter upfronts right. Take
take 3 rooms out of the fish
peace. And obviously that's
going to at a school where you
already have lower capacity
based on the zone. It's not
going to change or a much
trying, but in our high growth
areas, if we set aside 3
classrooms, that zone sizes
going to have to shrink. To
make that vial right. So
that's some of the kind of
interplay that we'll have to
have in the coming months.
>> Good so then we're looking
at this For example, the 2 new
elementary schools coming
online in the year and a half.
We wouldn't want to put them
in 90%. We want we want them
to be at maybe 80%. So as
continue with their growth
because we know there's going
to be more houses concert
always more houses then that
we were already prepared for
that. When that happens night.
>> correct. And that's where
you know, again, you're trying
to forecast your future, where
you're going to be fight
because
>> if we go through this
process, we we don't want to.
We don't want to do this. Put
people through put our
community through this and
then be back here in 24 months
saying let's do it again
writing, ideally, whatever
decisions we make have some
staying power big And so, you
know. And again, that's where
the forecasting becomes
important, even though it's
very difficult.
>> Okay. So then when we then
look at the schools that are
below capacity
>> and MR. Tatum who brought
the point about possibly
closing. But then when we look
at, if you will you put them
at least on The un. Now, Anna
Maria is a very small schools
out there on the island. But
for we were to close that we
have to bust all of those
kids. In the town with 6 other
resources and time and traffic
and
>> all of those other things
as well. So yet this is this
is this fun.
>> But if you look at like
bayshore in Moody, you've got
red in orange there. But
you've got solid green
continual around So that.
>> sure you've got the ability
by adjusting those lines to
bring in moody down and
bringing others dark greens.
So that's part of the
manipulation that the map that
it for I think okay.
>> But to the original that
number, the better one. I
think you. What I have set
first, one of the things I
said when I first came on this
board. If you look at Manatee
l. O ne go. And Sam will set.
The distance from Manatee
Delta Saml set. Wright mileage
Wise. But then 5 miles. If if
I my math right? And 2. All 3
of those schools below
capacity. Alright,
significant. Significantly.
The manatee Capacities at 7.31
They're only 4.52 Cracked.
>> All 3 of those schools are
near the so 100 mark capacity
levels. But they're all he
there for 500. 5, 7, day 4, So
to your point. Dr my song,
then it becomes.
>> Basically maintain
facilities that just Nico
project. Did. Reallocated. I
don't remember how many
millions for. Manatee MISTER
James White, sometimes you get
a look at that kind of thing,
too. For the future. How much?
Capacity it's going drop. I
mean, we we all talk about how
much is going to go up. But do
we ever look at the potential
dropping capacity at some of
these? Right to drop it,
right? I'm sorry. Thank you.
Drop in enrollment at these
schools that are way the
interiors. But, are looking
because at that when you go to
the staffing level, right,
you're at an elementary
school, your 5th grade classes
leaving.
>> The school. But you have a
new group of kindergartners
coming in. That that's always
the unknown is your
kindergarten. You were.
Enrollment k and one meaning
future one 2 is always going
to be a better predictor. What
came might look like in your
5th grade leaving. So that is
one thing we're looking at
because keep in mind, staffing
is being adjusted. If the
school's enrollment declining.
First of all, from a
application of teacher
perspective, right? You're
making those adjustments. But
then our staffing model also
has some bands of that related
to school and how that
generates non instructional
support. Right? So how many
people are working in the
front office? How many reading
para professionals are there?
All of that formula driven. So
yes, that is getting looked at
on the operating side. You're
making those adjustments down.
When you see enrollment
declines. I do think MISTER
Tatum makes a good point about
regardless of capacity. You
have maintenance costs, for
the better good. They're going
into under enrolled campuses.
In. So that is the tradeoff.
>> at just like at Fowler.
Bowers enrollment right now as
that. Bring on the South end.
And Rodgers is overcapacity.
Am I this between those 2
schools mileage rises. Not
That's why we're doing this is
why we're all right. So as we
get deeper into this, that
will be the question is okay.
If you have that, if you have
to if you have to adjacent
attendance zone.
>> that right? And one is over
and the other is under. You
move that lowing the computer
will tell us what the impact
is of the line And the
question is, is that data? Do
you believe that data will
hold up 5 years from now? If
you move that line a little
bit.
>> And then there's some
change to the strip. In Lee's
point in home sales, home
values or whatever you could
make that change and just end
up slipping. The 2 schools
capacity numbers rebel 2 years
down the road because we don't
control where people live or
where they moved to were
already have that right. So so
that's why sometimes. If
you've got to adjacent schools
and they're not that apart
from each other, it MAY be
better leaving it alone.
Because trying to make it
perfect on paper. It's not
it's not it's ever going to be
perfect. That? So it's a
question really of going
through and figuring out. How
do you make it better? And one
of the things will look at is
making it better. How many
students are affected right?
Because we might be able on a
map to make it better. But you
might decide that that impacts
to many families. So that's
why we have to. That's why we
go through the process and and
>> and part of this line of
and my mind, pointing out some
of these. And capacity levels
is. To let families know
things are going to have to
change And it's just not out
it's an. Most districts are
going to have to have some
kind of a change. Some MAY be
a small little tweak. So maybe
a shock. But I just I just
want our families and
community communities to
understand that we have to
look at this a long-term
thing. That really got come up
with. Okay. That's What's
>> Your comments about like if
we make changes now and we
don't make good decisions and
the kind of get it wrong can
affect things obviously down
the road. But you do have the
capacity, right is the
superintendent, let's say made
a school zone change and it
didn't work out the way we
thought. I mean, kind of like
what you're doing with go live
in freedom and unit there,
ones these Tuesday's you can
the saws that later down the
road, he have to make the best
decisions with the information
we have now You know, if we
got it wrong here and there
you can. Saw that little bit
that not true, that authority.
Yes. And, you know, I mean, we
have other tools, right?
Scoots school choice is one
ultimately in the case of go
at Harvey this But we we had
to close to new enrollment.
You've given me that authority
and policy, although when I
arrived here, that authority
was not in policy, right, that
that was.
>> One the first things I did
was go say, ok, with how are
these 2 schools? And then we
have that discussion. I think
after my entry plan that there
were some things that maybe
we're missing and policy and
is a good thing that we put
that because I'm not sure what
we would have done without the
authority to close to new
enrollment. So, yes, I mean,
there are some things we we
can do. You know, at the
margins. But my point is
simply You know, again, that
step one in the process,
certainly one of our goals is
to do this, such that you
don't end up with a student
achievement student MAY have
to change schools as a result
of this process while they're
in elementary. We would
certainly hope they don't have
to do it twice right we'll see
what happens.
>> That's my only point is
obviously want to look at
unintended consequences. But
yet Do the best you can with
the information you have now
and then. Go to the future and
use your tools that you have a
future great things as you
like them. Think.
>> Okay. Now we've shown
graphically through through
the maps. The different
colors. A highlight for you
that the blue line that goes
down through the middle left
the county's future
development area boundary. So
that that's the line. I think
been discussion at the county
level recently, this kind of
shows. Green darker green is
less than 95. The light green
is 85 to 90. And then you get
into the yellows. But it
begins to show graphically
when we begin to look at the
rezoning. If we've got. Space
we've got red campuses, Amelia
up the green. That gives us
the opportunity to immediately
try to give some relief to
those that are overcapacity.
My adjusting lines. 2 of the
things that we've shown on
here is up at the very top.
That's the Harvey at North
River Ranch.
>> And
>> Below right below Lake
Manatee, we are for sure where
the Lake Manatee k 8 is going
to be as well. You can see
that both of those are well
ensconced in red
>> We know will be able to get
relieves that relief. There.
>> And you said the blue line
is the current deadline.
>> That's the future
development area. But with the
county's boundary?
>> Do we know what that also
the county commissions, was in
That is the.
>> This doing okay. You have
that real quick, I think the
previous commission basically
obliterated it. But didn't the
newest commission to bring it
back? Yeah, yeah. Doesn't seem
bizarre reason. Your request.
>> the future development area
boundary line or that was
established that establish and
the comprehensive plan concept
is. To hold growth west of
that line. Previous commission
allowed the comprehensive plan
amendment to go in. That said.
The developer could jump
across the line. If well,
under certain circumstances.
Number one, they provide all
the infrastructure necessary
for the development. Several
developers found that it's so
profitable to build
residential that it's worth
them, providing all the
infrastructure and extending
that. Of the one of the other
scenarios as had to be
contiguous to another
development already. So you
couldn't just go to the to the
line and say, ok, now, run
jump. There had to be a
development this side that
already had infrastructure and
prior commission was fairly
liberal with that and improve
the of developments that jump
that line. This. Setting
county commission seemed have
a different opinion on on how
growth will occur and probably
will not be allowing that as
much of already seen where
staff is pushing back.
Obviously under the direction
of the the county Commission
live pushed back on one
development that was passed
this line. Under those
conditions. Under the previous
commission, those approvals
that were given, those are not
being rescinded. Those are
still those approvals are
still in place. And my
understanding is they have not
responded in approval of this
time. Thanks. Thanks for that.
Ok, I'm done. I'm going jump
to the future map.
>> So with the future the
white areas are the new campus
is that we presently have in
the 5 year capital plan. We've
got the top is Artisan Lakes
and that's opening of 26 27.
And that will add additional
969. Student stations to the
mix.
>> Hari Elementary, North
River Ranch.
>> That's opening. 25 26. So
that's 4 through 5th grade is
what we're calculating there.
And that's 508 additional
student station. And then Lake
Now we will eventually have
716 k through 5 students
stations. And then the last
one is Robin Wright River
Ranch. That's the 9.69 So if
you look at like between
Harvey, Elementary Copper
spoon and real country at
North River Ranch. We have not
recalculated any enrollment
into North River Ranch side.
So there's deficit of 4.86,
but we're will eventually be
bringing 508 students stations
there. So you can see that we
have the capacity to take care
that deficit. And then with
the lake manatee that will
have approximately 7.16 k
students stations in that will
be giving relief to go. Who is
now exceeds by 369 and I
believe. The goal is for this
year the k 5, the lake Manatee
to be somewhere around 300
students. They things there.
Is that Rendered. So we have
will able to give immediate
relief soon. Is the elementary
section MR. Gardner about
opens up. Comes up there as
>> Something I think I'd like
to see on the board want to or
not. So when you look at this
at this site right here. And
in the map, you showed the
future tools. Pointed out to
me I think it be. So in late
credit, you're wrong. I don't
think that's all it. Another
student service areas that say
he break that down in about
what the future dwelling look
like if we could get instead
of this and they could be to
start right? But it's going to
be, you know, what could get
it in ssa like her that it's a
1, 2, 3, because and I think
what happens there is. It's
easier. Look at those numbers,
right to be like the schools
and fsa. I think what has to
save the life of the West
side, you really like you'll
be able to see the green, the
yellows, the reds and oranges,
all just as you do on the bat.
But though going to be yeah,
okay. Like the First 10 or
ssa, the next addresses to,
you know, in the district
because obviously you back to
day, we're going have keep go
set for Lakewood Ranch out to
form a price. Not about that.
I think visually be able to
see the number We can
definitely slice it that way.
One thing to keep in mind is
that your residential
attendance zones.
>> For a school MAY not fall
completely within one. Yeah,
they set off camera. So you so
we can tell you all the
schools that are within the
ssa. But each well-attended.
So Krause or absolutely. That
make sense. I just from a
geographical standpoint with
it being, you know, in in this
this, you know, very America
old cents instead of the the
graph. I think we're just to
have them clustered because
you look at like, oh, look,
Henry has got to be sick. You
want give the artisan lakes to
them while.
>> Because got numbers are
right there. You're not
looking at going on the bat,
even close each other unless
there by boat. You feel like
looking plus feel like I think
people would be a visual to
have a look at that. I agree.
>> can do that. And that
basically goes on that
basically goes to what I was
gonna because like my hand up
like go live. I didn't. We
don't know specifically what
really we're getting by
because they're all They're
So. Is going really. Okay. Let
me back up. And in my mind
that I raise what you like.
>> We're over.
>> 369 at goal. It. Like
manatees capacity as 7.16 So
if I look at this, we're
already populated. That
overcapacity from got going to
Lake Manatee by that 316. I
know that's not. This is just
an example. Right?
>> Well, I did that. I mean,
keep it. Keep in mind that.
Yes, ultimately all of this
will update. As as things, you
know, continue to happen Lake
Manatee is relieving goal that
right. But there's also a lot
of growth the end of the Ritz
This is why we put MR. On
assignment early right,
because we've got lots of new
families moving into even the
small pa League on. That. We
drew write to initially
populate manatee that carved
out a certain number of
students from going. There are
more families moving into
that. Polly gone now. Wright,
who are whose registrations
are already cued up. We also
have some families that we're
at a charter school that are
heading to the by virtue of
living in it that Polly gone
and so the exact number of
students who end up at Lake
Manatee and AUGUST of 25 is
unknown because houses
continue to sail to sell in
that area. It. And so again,
it's a little bit fluid, but
ultimately, when when we go
into the system should draw a
true residential attendance
zone. For Lee community.
That's really going to tell us
how many students. Are moving
from the gullet? In the later.
Right. Because it'll be larger
than just the polygon that we
drew. Right. And that.
>> Exactly. And why I was
looking at this. It's like,
okay. Yeah. For some looked at
this and said, oh, you're
overcapacity 3.69, you're
going to build the new school
repopulate yet. For the
public. They need to. It's
more. It's not removing 3 on.
I think students from one
school to another. Work in
progress, right, nor nor is
Lake Manatee.
>> The only way to relieve the
overcapacity. Goal it right,
because if you completely fill
a brand new school. With only
the relief from one attendance
zone. And then you're going to
need your next school faster.
And that's what said earlier.
We have to grow into these
schools right?
>> you multiple to help out,
correct?
>> Just real quick on the on
the this chart, the current
chart, we've got a hard
because person, Herbie, North
River Ranch capacity. And this
is for the 4th and 5th grade.
All right. Because we're not
there 6th grade will be on the
other turn. Middle Spokane. So
if we're looking at their
overcapacity right now for 46
and they have a capacity of
508 with that put the joint
Harvey at basically.
Approaching capacity. It, you
know, another very right,
right. The second, would it be
at approaching capacity based
on that numbers? Another
example what I talking You.
>> The
>> then that that probably
still going to have to to work
through the attendance law
make sure the a good spot for
only goes middle school the
full numbers. I mean, I MISS
The numbers have been lowered
in. That's because that's
where we think in the summer
remember that. That's the
genesis of this concept this
was originally set up.
>> Buffalo Creek was way
overcrowded. Yeah. So it made
sense to set up traditional
sick street relief. But
Buffalo creeks, not. Where it
was when this decision was
first made. That gives us the
flexibility with 4, 5, But
exactly what that. Exactly
what all those attendance
instead looking like is of
mind, the other part of and
this also impacts poll view is
when we go to draw these
zones, if you're if you're
really trying to do a true kh
ideally, you dry ones of that
applies to both levels, but
that there's some structural
problems with that. Yeah. And
again, we don't have all the
answers today.
>> we've got a lot of work to
do it. If that the board
authorize us moving forward
but that obviously if if if if
we draw the k zone that way,
it will be more narrow that
will have again, those
cascading impacts.
>> On the surroundings.
>> a 3rd of that point. Then
you because not only I mean,
it's not just going to be the
Harvey kids that are going to
be going to the upper school.
And we also have kids from
Williamson and knows who MAY
need to drift into the upper
don't because they don't each
have, of course, you know,
write it all depends on what
Mets end up looking like and
again, in MAY.
>> traffic constrained
community, right? Because
again.
>> To an earlier discussion,
there are a lot of tools in
the school choice toolbox.
They don't all work in this
community. Thinking quick
question Harvey. It looks
like. You look future between
the 45 Kay in 6 to 8, it's
1100 some odd around that
capacity. I mean, give it
right are we gonna have the
flexibility inside that
campus? To say, hey, we need
to take more 5th graders
because we have less 68 to be
able to say this week was
designed for 6, but now it's
going to be fit. We at that.
Capability.
>> Yeah, I mean, and working
with the architect really kind
of designed some flexibility
into it without knowing
exactly what the room was
going to be for the upper
grade level. And one of the
things I wanted to correct, I
sit in the 5 year plan. It's
really everything that we're
showing in the future is the
first 3 years of the 5 year
plan. We know doesn't even
Roman here. But when we get to
the highs, we don't show the
high school and in the
So looking at the middle and
high school. You can see at
the middle school level and
taking you across again spray
you can see 4 permit students
stations for Green River.
Middle says 1003. 44 and then
we discounted by 90% of as
1210. So that that's why
column look strange on the
elementary deprived applies to
both the middle school and
high school as well. Because
there's a different way that
they calculate capacity for
those 2 levels. Where you can
see at the middle school
level. We've got Jane Jane and
that are both in the yellow,
which is in excess of 90%, but
not quite coming up to 95%.
And then Buffalo Creek isn't
that 85 to 90% range as well.
They're nearing capacity. And
then at the high school level,
you can send us your question.
>> Do we know And that's about
the slide? You know, when the
last time district rezoned
was. MR. Look at you have get
I mean, the last time I
remember was parish community
highs. Yeah, yeah. That that
would believe that Wright to
go into the hole. We did, we
did some redistricting of
merman sales district got
changed because there's a lot
of kids being moved from. I
have the right me to some of
the high school get and maybe
maneuver. But yeah, little
here. And there like back
under Dr Green, close early as
a middle school every
district. But you did ever
listen. We we never took a
whole district. Yeah occur.
Even ss a wide look. Yeah.
Only say that because like
when you look at it, suddenly
these zones, I mean, it's like
Tetris your demeanor like
inside that. That's just
wonder like how long we let it
be Tetris. Yeah, that that
happened because most part.
>> was I wasn't hardly when it
closed a common. Our kids went
from there to. Over to again
King in public. We sent him
everywhere. When they left a
left us and put a pin in
parish area going on the age
of my children. I remembered
zoning going on because they
were looking at having
Harrison Ranch. Kids go to
Blackburn. So we drove past
Mills Elementary School to go
to Blackburn Elementary school
2 to balance that out. And
that would have been. 2005. To
2000 that the 7,007.
>> But holistically for whole
lot of that is I don't think
it's ever been done to this
level. I my career.
>> I've been here 28 years.
It's never been done right?
That I mean, redistricting
that has occurred was because
of addition of a school
significant overpopulation or
under population of the
school. And they just had to
make a change and that change
one or 2 boundaries.
>> And I mean, I just look at
by, you know, so does here
near capacity 95% to get that
loan idea you look at the Met.
I mean, there's a significant.
Amount students they could go
to either the case you needed.
So I just wondered how long
did and so does I think is
that need do
>> when we get further into
the process and this is why we
look at multiple maps, we we
MAY get to the point.
>> Where?
>> We're we're bored. You say
up gosh. Here's a version that
would clean up a lot of stuff.
But we just think it's too
many families changing
schools. So we have version
right?
>> And that's know, that's
where you're We could end up
with a process where there
were several zones that don't
change at all.
>> Even though we took a look
at them, I think I think I
think one of the keys today is
just to kind of illustrate we
don't just have east. We're a
north. We have some other
things that we really need to
address. Another example. You
something that we will be
taking a look at is, you know,
if you take home the u 6
through 8 enrollment sitting
just over 200. This is where
it's hard to have the same
fish target for every school.
There are some efficiencies
that occur.
>> with when you're at that
number.
>> For a bill So we might want
to look at that. So to try you
know, trying to make some
adjustments so that our
operating budget is more
efficient. They are.
>> So there's a lot of things
to even to. That's a point
like Lincoln. 45% capacity you
got a k through 8 and we did
that because there was a
different situation for 5.
Your mean So, yeah, I mean.
>> going after Like on this.
Particular one before this
one.
>> Parish community is. 110.
It's over capacity. But that
is that not counting our new
building?
>> serves thing. The next
slide. I and I include okay,
And the
>> We we did that
intentionally because we're
again, we're trying to be very
transparent about this is if
we're using Tim, Tim. 24,
let's use capacity from 10,
10. 25. Right. But we know
there's a little bit of relief
coming, right? Okay.
>> Okay. Then looking at the
maps, we've got the maps of
the the middle school. So
Jane, showing that they are in
92%. 95% respectively. We've
got a lot of green around
there that we can definitely
look Justin boundaries to to
help those 2 schools. And then
at the high school level, you
can see that you've got
community and Lakewood Ranch
are the. At this point right
now.
>> I have keep going of this,
at such didn't we just 3 bill.
That's cool. 95% near past
from a previous charge.
>> Both the project and I
believe Palmetto High School
project. We did not. And
additional students stations
her placement, they
replacement pretty close to
like for like for the number
those students there.
>> But for budgetary, I mean,
I'm just talking numbers here
budgetary standpoint, it's
easier to move kids school
like the a block move, a
block, a line in people. And
that's why. All right. You
what street same as they were.
The neighborhood knows when I
go there full, there's got to
be a line somewhere up. And
I'm not talking about the
emotional on the aspect of
where you're going walk about
budgetary. Just looking at
numbers, much cheaper to move
that line that kids go to
lead. That is the building of
the building. I know it's
right line 7, right? So I
mean, that's where we need to
be able make a fraction know.
>> So I just saw some of us.
Can you go back district? So
that little chunky yellow,
that's all by itself with
school does have too. Yeah.
So.
>> believe it. Little one.
That's by the river. Yeah,
believe that that's the part
that goes Lakewood Ranch.
Yeah, we've got the red for
Lakewood. Yeah, that's kind of
that's a little island in the
green that that's that's just
talking about for remember
that. And then on the high
school math that little island
of red is like correct. They
date that that neighborhood
goes out to the current. It
was to provide some diversity
to the student body. Okay.
>> Those are looking at high
schools here. What are y'all's
initial thoughts on building
the news? I thought it's
already in the eastern part of
the county and we. We
definitely needs another
school somewhere, right? Some
type of something too.
>> And I think mistreatment,
if you're waiting a few
minutes, we're going to the
future growth and then we've
got a slight about because I
think it's helpful to see the
future growth numbers with the
existing read right do with
other good we That's
definitely we're going to that
decision from the board.
>> So then this is the middle
school and high school of the
future. You can see Harvey.
Middle the 6, 8, From North
River Lake Manatee that their
6 a portion. We're not showing
them giving anyone relief
right now because we're still
working through. Obviously,
Harvey will open but it won't
have the 7th 8th in it. And
then the middle school doesn't
open till next Lake Manatee.
Middle School are the make
make Manatee Kate, the middle
school portion. And then you
can see pair of community put
that in wait because we did
add. The additional capacity
from a new classroom building
that that we're doing there.
And that brought that down
from down to 93% were was over
over 100% on the The middle
school is now standing at
around 65 overall. 65% in
regards to capacity. The high
school, it was up over 90% and
91% is reduced 89%. Just with
that one edition. A parish to
parish community high school.
Parents, as a result of that
edition, went from red to
being orange. But it's a it's
a kind of tentative orange.
It's midpoint of the 90's. So
could sneak into the red
pretty quickly with the
development going on there.
>> And on that, you know, and
I think right there when we
look at to the right that the
only school capacity,
including we look able is that
we believe so that school
capacity, including relook a
doubles, which I'm assuming is
affordable rate. Yeah. That
column we move down. Future.
We believe that. So that
number is that necessarily
what we believe or do you
believe it's going to be the
future number of enrollment.
So just like the first, you
know, just look, I'm looking
down more to high school. You
know, so they sure it says 21,
1, 7, Does that mean that's
the capacity or that's what we
believe going to happen in the
future. Is that they said, but
I'm asking.
>> know that. That's the
survey to are talking about
the enrollment has a
>> tan tan? Feel like the
enrollment as of 10, 10 like
Bayshore is there 88. Visions.
21 53 that goes 2020. 45
right? All right. You go all
the way over the right hand
column and the school capacity
that that you say 21, 1, 7,
that number just think that's
what the capacity is in Chile,
in the future, with the
portables, if we did with So
that's the max you could be
with. 21 once not, that's not
what we're saying to from a
futuristic standpoint. That's
what we believe is that Hap?
>> Current. Okay. That that's
just thing. That's just with
the current portables that are
there. What that number site,
because the the port of like
up is actually
>> Decrease a little bit for
21. 53 or should 2045?
Everybody thinks it's So it's
the 90% of the full fish
relocate a bill and that will
be another perimeter board is
with with the notion of of the
aging portables. When we go to
put parameters into the
computer, do you want us to
own with any 4 doubles in mind
at all or do we start, you
know, fresh with just the
numbers to the left because
obviously taking all the food,
the bombing, the portables are
how fighting right now at
well, it Harvey, some of the
other places. You know, when
we start playing with the
zoning, do we make an
assumption that there are more
or do you want us to put some
of those him? Those will be
some of the guardrails we talk
about.
>> I for one do a part
>> Probably didn't pick Got to
be better. Get. Okay. I think
we've probably talk through.
>> Pretty well. You know, on
the findings which are
Bayshore, though they're
approaching nearing capacity,
obviously we've got going
Harvey Mills and Moody
overcapacity. So these are all
and how those geographically
work with the contiguous
campuses that are different
levels of capacity will be
working through but taken as a
whole. It's it's it's not just
an isolated area. We're
looking at its its
districtwide geographically.
So as we go through. And they
all kind of have, as we say,
cascading effects as attempt
to resolve one that
overcapacity. It's going to
bring and one that's maybe
significantly under capacity
And it's going to be a matter
of balancing as we go through.
From from the middle school
side, Buffalo Creek is nearing
capacity Mona Jane. And so
both of those are yellow and
that capacity and then the
high schools, we kind of know,
we discussed that Lakewood
parish community are over
capacity in both Meadow and
Braden River coming close to
capacity as well. So even at
these 2 levels, it's
definitely going to be
snapshot geographic
district-wide, not going to be
isolated Finally use of
facilities at 100%. We talked
a little bit about the
challenges with that. We're
looking to maximize capacity
through the rezoning. Part of
the issue is also doing
in-depth traffic density
evaluation. Mean, it's not a
matter. It's not not just a
matter of saying even if
you're contiguous that you're
going to give released to
another school that is
approaching are near or over
capacity. We're going to be
taking a look at what. What
the challenges are rover, that
the traffic relative to
natural Barrett Rivers and a
barrier bridges and all that
and interstates. So. And one
of the challenges when we get
into the school choice program
is traffic negative impact on
that? If we were to, you know,
try to bring the student from
the far west to the far turns
into hour and a half drive
which doesn't work, which a
good student experience. In
addition to that. Looking
closely at our choice programs
as well. And making sure that
we keep the existing
transportation in place and if
not, are preferences to find
ways to enhance that as well
by the location some of those
traits programs. So before we
go next one. This can be
addressed in the next.
>> Let me know. I think with.
I'm the Westport, feels not
know if this have the
capability of this is and how
this works. But I I would
like. I would like to see.
Have my state is correctly
with school choice. I I think
interesting to see. If we were
allowed to like with school
choice, and you your eyes and
throat Apd said later. What's
the number of kids even school
choice to make students? What
are we to actually school
choice write? You know, and
it's in. And so that's the
number 2. Where students,
Joyce Eng to and from right.
And so the thought process is
and I know I'm gonna get a
little bit later. This is what
MR. Keita kind of idea
question was about the new
high school and different
things like that. And if if my
my my point in saying this is
for choice. And there's always
good a tune in. I get you
know, if your choice from one
school to another, you know,
you've got to have space there
to drop, but I know dri. So we
talk about this. You're not
personally is allowing. To
help us somewhat with capacity
choice. I know we're not
providing transportation
right, but if a student
especially high school,
driving parents want to take
them except drop and they want
a choice to other school for
whatever reason. I've got a
great orchestra. Student
childhood and the one that
another great orchestra
teacher. But this other one
doesn't want to drive them
across the bridge across town.
That's fine. Now Brady
connects school holed up at
the end it 110%. I get I would
I just want to make sure as
ever drawing as we're doing
these things, we're not giving
out school choice because I'm
just making a number 100 kids
from Lakewood Ranch. Wanted to
leave to go Palm Meadows out
these Bayshore manatee breaks
up where obviously is less
than they are. That's going
reduce full number right now.
That's not going to solve
everything. But and sometimes
you're not. If you're having
kids choice in full, the full
Acre Ranch fares. And that's
where things. So I get all
that. But I'd like to see like
how many kids we just finished
our choice application. How
many kids choosing to go to
school from a at capacity or
overcapacity school under vice
a versa. Get to see those
numbers, right? But yeah, this
not a good. You know, there's
so many people trying Joyce
the that it that's not going
to work, but that's not going
to solve any issues vice
versa. Whatever so just I'll
be that there be spread. I
just so for choice. I think
this is the discussion. The
hat and I don't want to say
recruit. I don't want to I
don't want to Recruiting
against each other inside of
our own schools, the district.
But the reality is is we have
programs in some schools that
you don't have another And
that's the reality. And so if
it from the educational
standpoint, anything. Thank
Want to make sure that that
we're taking into the account.
Number wise, what those word
do they even help So we
definitely can.
>> Pull that data together. I
know. Of course, MR. Chapman
and MR. Clarke or in the back
listening, we have more school
choice applications this year
than prior. So you know that
and again, that could be for a
number reasons. But it's, you
know, it's all good we we do
have church showing. Where
students are attending versus
where their zone and some of
that is to help our principles
understand how their schools
are changing, where their
students are coming from. We I
also want our principles to
know where they're losing.
Students because to your
point, CHAIRMAN, every school
is competing against every
other school.
>> we want our principles to
be aware, not just of their
feeder patterns, but where
they're attrition is
happening. Where with it. So
all of that is part of I think
just a smarter approach. You
know, too, to attracting
students. Definitely provide
the board with some of those
tables. Just to just to give
you an idea. You what that
looks like. Keeping in mind
that this year at the choice
fair, we did have all schools
even schools that are at or
above capacity just to be able
to answer community questions.
But again, as a result of the
work we MAY do over the next 6
months. There MAY be some
schools that haven't been
available to choice to become
available. And so, you know, I
I think it's important to have
all of our schools involved
there.
>> Through all of this summer,
like we said, this is
holistic. Do what we need to
do. Rezoning. That includes.
Yeah. Think about the
transportation side. The bus
and all of those things are
going change. We move through
this process. And to MISTER
Shoats Point. Student is
choice saying to manatee high
football. Okay or a student is
choice in the southeast
because I'd be. I don't know
what that doubt it. As at all.
So I do hope that this.
>> Well, we we can provide
data on the students moving
and we know with I b, for
example, we know who those
students are. We we do ask
families why. They make the
school choice pieces they do.
And we have to be very careful
with that wind picks because
we do not recruit. And there
are there are penalties for
coaches who are caught
recruiting Financial Civil
Penalities sorts wasn't in an
alley just make it really
clear since where Russians
were in the public domain But.
>> But yes, all of I mean, we
do have all of that data that
that we can take a look at to
your point about
transportation again, MR.
Clarke is the supervisor of
Transportation they will be at
the table with us because we
MAY make some suggestions that
look good on paper. And then
when they go production
filter, MR. Warrington MAY
say, ok, that looks great on
the map. And here's why.
That's not actually going to
work, right? And that will you
know that. That data data,
that's part of this process
of. Here's a way to do it.
That it's numerically perfect.
But if he can't get the kids
there it doesn't, it doesn't
actually work. So that's
that's another element to
this. And of course, a few
minutes we're going to talk
about school start time
changes that are running on a
parallel track to this
process. And that has huge
transportation implications.
So there's a lot of moving
parts to right. Just not.
Johnson. My right. That's 100%
choice.
>> No other questions for the
second. It's been an hour and
a Anybody need a 5 minute
MR. We'll turn it over to
MISTER Pendley of victims
through residential growth.
>> We can so. I anticipate
getting through this in about
5 minutes. This going to be
interesting. Rather scary.
When you look at on hold. Need
to talk through it. So let's
focus on that projected
residential growth that is
coming we're going to look at
it both county wide and on
quadrant area. And those
quadrants, I I think it was
MR. Community that referred to
them earlier, school service
areas and that's exactly what
they are. And we'll talk about
where they are. So I'm going
to present growth to you today
that we anticipate in the near
future. Manatee County is we
talked about earlier. We've
just an Preston. It
residential growth over the
last 4 or 5 years. There was
some discussion about. Is it
different than when you were
here before MR. Kennedy, I can
tell you about. Probably 5
years ago we were seeing about
30. Between 3604,000. Well,
onions a year that were
impacting our schools. Right
now we're seeing about 7,000
dwelling units per The impact
or schools and those are the
ones that are getting
certificates occupancy. We
tracked that offer impact
fees. So the growth is
definitely ramped up. And you
know, will continue at that
level. I don't know my my
crystal ball kind of gori
right There's been some
changes. Some of those
occurred in NOVEMBER, both on
the national level and the
local level you know, we have
a little bit of storm fatigue
here in the state from last
year. And we I don't know that
we've seen the impacts of that
yet. As to whether or not
people are still willing to
move here as much as they were
before on a national level.
Right now we're seeing tariffs
go in place. We don't know
what impact that will have on
on growth. We don't know what
interest rates will look like
in the near future and all
those things go into too. How
gross proceeds on a local
level. We had previous county
commission that was very
pro-growth. We talked about
allowing developers jump over
that future development area
boundary line. They did that
several different instances.
The current county commission
has certainly projected they
don't have much interest in
that that they want to curtail
growth. And or at least
control it and and have it the
more normal fashion and maybe
what we've seen past. So
again, I can't tell you that.
We will maintain that 7,000
units a year that are
impacting us right now. What I
can tell you, though, is that
you're going to see numbers
today. That seems
overwhelming. And but want
keep in mind that as we look
at culmination of these
projected residential units,
the market will only bear what
the market bears. So you can
have 100,000 units out there
that are ready to be built.
Market's not going to accept
it we're going to take what it
wants and to this point, it's
been taken about 7,000 units
year. We track this growth
through tool. That's cold
school concurrency. MR.
Kennedy's probably aware of
that. I think MR. Cho to where
the been around long enough to
probably heard us talk about
that before. And that's 8 both
the right foot or in a
planning tool. Arise by
Florida statute and it's been
in place for. Different
services for a number of
years. The the concept behind
school Concurrency is that
public services we'll be in
place to serve development as
it Kurt occurs. In. You know,
the services are everything
from roads and water and sewer
parks, other public services.
But for us, schools now, not
all school districts across
the state. You school
concurrency is something that
a lot of districts have opted
not to use, but we have used
it. And that's that allows us
to track the growth. We
interlocal agreement that was
developed under Florida
Statute. Chapter one 63 in
2008 and that Inter local
agreement involves knowing the
school district, but it
involves 5 local government
agencies and the school
concurrency management system
was adopted through that
through that agreement. So the
agreement when we look at
going back and say want to
look at school concurrency.
There's a number of factors
that go into it. We look at
call 50, which is. We're
required to use. And we look
at our student generation but
rate based on the number of
dwellings, they have been
improved. Our student
generation rate was updated
last year and her impact. The
study. The board adopted that
under resolution. That's 4
Manatee County that was
implemented last SEPTEMBER. So
new student generation rates
and what that says is on a
county wide bases. Typical
dwelling unit. Puts 0.1, 8, 7
students into our schools. And
these these are just the
traditional k 12 schools and
some talk about charter
schools. And then it breaks
down to an elementary and
middle high school. So we know
we can use that number to
project. And that's on the
most current localized data
that we have. So we've tracked
this growth by Forest Service
areas and those are shown on
the next slide. These service
Again, the redeveloped under
the interlocal Agreement,
school service area one or ssa
one is in the northeast
region. The county and the
dividing line on that is
basically the Manatee River as
well as U.S. 301. And it goes
down same road. So that
includes a will a major part
of felt a district and parish.
And we have that's the second
most highest growth school
service area that we have.
School service area, too. Is
in the eastern portion Manatee
County. And a lot of that is
on the east side of the future
development area boundary. So,
you know, it's a huge area.
Some there's not a lot of
growth out in the extreme
eastern portion of the county.
The line for that is U.S. 301
down to Fort Hamer road and
jumps over I-75 and runs to
down the University Parkway.
School service area. 3 is in
the south-central portion of
the county and the dividing
line on that I-75 and us. 41.
And school service area for is
in southwestern part of the
county. It goes from us. 41
over to the goal. So going to
look at. Residential projected
residential growth in each of
the service areas. Now we're
going to tell when the time so
already service area. 2 is one
where we have the most project
residential growth. Service
area. One has the second most
projected growth. So on each
of the slide, you're gonna see
a graphic on your right hand
side and its color the
developments or they're
they're coated by the size of
units that or approved. But
yet to be developed. And these
are based on reservations. So
let me explain what that
means. Reserve units the way
we track. It means that
development is going through a
number of development
approval. Okay. They they
might have a general
development plan. I actually
them I have a comprehensive
plan and then they get changed
in a result that they have the
general development plan. Then
they have a plenary site plan.
Then they have construction
final site plan. So there's
all the stages of development.
The ones that were talking
about have gone through that
approval process and reached a
point where they could apply
for building permits. Now.
Okay. So there through the
process. And and there at the
time they can Smith for
building permits. Most of
these larger developments.
Again, color coded here. So
the red blue and purple or the
ones that would have obviously
a more significant impact.
Most of those are faced. So
there maybe 8 or 10 phases and
some of these larger
developments takes years to do
that.
>> quick question by
Christmas. Not. On the left of
the write up this. Chart, the
dart. Black line that goes
down through the years. The
fdot, guessing. Yes, ma'am.
Okay. So certain school
service area one does not
touch the.
>> The gift area in the
corner, a coroner that yeah.
It's only school service area
to that's really impacted by
the future growth. Married.
Okay.
>> And then you're saying the
purple 3,000 plus. Do well in
units proved it is not this
big. MISS Moore for the
public. I think the big purple
for the says just that frontal
region problem.
>> Probably right choice of
colors on, you know, I right?
>> Because when I first saw
that on my I pretty sure
there's probably you know many
thousands of I noticed it
after I looked at it about 5
times of what somebody is
going to say. Oh, that hole.
>> All You knew somebody upset
by what color could you use?
That would have maybe yellow
But yeah, I just. This is And
again, I know I said before.
And a little plane to look at
what's going on out there. And
just. Particular chart
doesn't. Can you even give you
real grasp? Almost have to see
it from aerial even with a
drone you couldn't imagine.
It's so And some I went out.
Someone that hasn't been out
there a lot of times and they
couldn't believe it. They were
just like shocked How much
we've been talking about we've
been talking about so. Okay. I
just wanted to clarify that
chair.
>> Okay. So the chart at the
top. Shows the remaining
dwelling units that are in the
school service here. Again,
these are the ones that have
gone through development,
approved processes to the
stage to where they They could
apply for a building permit.
That doesn't mean they're all
going to play right now it's
it's just that's not how it
works. But we have taken our
student generation number. Stu
generation, right number and
projected out how many
elementary middle and high
school students we anticipate
being generated from this
remaining development and you
see that we project 1518
elementary students, 671
middle school students and
1,1112 high school students.
We also looked at how much
capacity do we have remaining
in that service area, which is
something that MISTER Cho got
to earlier say. Tell me what
capacity we have. You know by
service area. So in that
school service area, we have
capacity for. 1656 elementary
students. Keep in mind that
this is not going to existing
schools, but it's what we're
planning to build. Mrna
already showed you on the the
projected chart altogether. So
for elementary, that would
mean the the barber Harvey.
North River Ranch 4th and 5th
grades as well Artisan Lakes.
And of it also includes some
elementary Blackburn in
Palmetto. And it includes a
middle school past the
Lincoln. When you compare that
the remaining students be
generated against what student
past who we have. You see that
there's enough capacity
projected here. I'm sorry.
There's an up capacity that
either exist or were building
to accommodate all past. Are
all the students in this
region. We're a service area.
We'll have we project in
excess of 138 elementary
school students and 774 middle
school student spaces. So
we're we're actually in pretty
decent shape there. The is on
the high school capacity. We
talked about the Forest
service areas and that is how
concurrency works for
elementary and middle school.
So compartmentalize it and we
say, do you have enough
capacity in the service area
to serve the students and by
state law? All if we don't,
you have to go to the next
service area and say can we
borrow capacity from that? If
you don't have enough there
than you got a problem. But we
do have So there's not issue
here with high schools. The
it's a district wide. It's one
service area because high
school students are much more
mobile. Then then elementary
and middle school students. I
think doctor was on you he'll
get you some of those choice
chart and you can see their
students are really moving
around the district. We look
at that on a more holistic
view for for high schools. But
we're providing it here for by
service area so that you can
see where the deficits are
really boring, even though
that's not how we track it for
concurrent. That make sense
you. Okay. To go to the next
slide. Excuse The slide
identifies where where the
majority the impacts are.
Again, it's the purple and the
blue and the red that are your
larger developments. And you
can see that most of these are
concentrated the half of the
school service area. That's
because the most the southern
half of it is already
developed. And what you're
seeing down there is just into
projects are for the most
part, smaller projects. And
has a mentioned a couple times
already. This is our second
most. Active school service
area. One that's most
activists school service area
too. We're showing that we. We
can find that there are 20,620
dwelling units that are
approved that are not yet
built that are at the stage
where they can apply for
building permits again, don't
panic. They're not all come
that wants. The market just
won't take it. We anticipate
that those dwellings would
result 1773 elementary
students. 784 middle school
students and 1299 high School
students. When you look at our
remaining student capacity and
this area again, when we talk
about the U.S. To capacity,
we're adding in the school is
that we're building, we're
building like manatee pay. And
we're building right ranch.
They're both in the service
area. So what you see is with
capacity for 1993. It earned
9, 3 elementary students,
1949. Those school students
and again, we we have a
deficit here in high school
already. So when you compare
the and students to be
generated to what's remaining.
Once again. You see that we're
going to be ok and elementary.
Well, capacity to accommodate
additional 220 students in
additional 11 or 65 no
schools, too. Got a problem
again at the high school
level. And when you look at
that in conjunction with
what's in ssa One now, we
really have a problem because
there I think we're down about
900 students almost all the
capacity that we're showing
out in the elementary middle
schools is he's in the lake
Manatee k and dry ranch. But
hail and Braden River. Middle
also have ample capacity.
That's why you're showing a
lot of no school capacity.
Ability in this area, even
with all this growth. The
future high school site that's
on our plan is within that
school service area. And that
is. That that's something
that's been shown to work plan
for several years. We didn't
count capacity in here because
it's not going to be in place
by AUGUST. First of 2026,
which is the cutoff line that
we use for the charge that
MISTER And all the show want
you to know that past is not
in there, but in a work plan
shown in uk. Questions.
Versatile, quit.
>> When we talk about our
capacity, look at these
numbers that we're looking at
total goings. This particular
side rare for ss 8, 2, 20,000
plus swellings. We believe
it's going to create generate
these many students. Yes. How
are we coming up with that
date?
>> It is based off the student
generation rate that. Happened
to the number. It is a average
number. It's census driven
what we when we did the
impact. The study last year of
by looking at All the while
wings and throwing them all
into a pot. So will there be
variations and the absolutely
you're going to have you're
going to have developments
that are really focused on
families maybe their lower
price points. And but then
you're gonna have development
that, you know, the price
points million plus, which,
you know, at least from an
elementary standpoint, you're
you know, we'll get me now
that because the parents
generally can't afford to that
point in their life. Yeah,
that it's a way that the state
does their date like.
>> And then do some of the
Roman comes from what the
charter isn't about So the
complete guessing game get
ready are they using that same
type of system to say here's
what we think is going to to
you know, they're using change
data over.
>> Period of time based on
actual unruly.
>> rates yeah, so I'll give
you an example because I'm
glad you asked I pulled up the
coffee forecast and a printed
it off and based on the actual
numbers. And 23, 24. Projected
to for 5 years to 28. 29. The
state shows that we're going
to gain 361, actually 362
elementary students. That we
will gain 371 middle school
students and that we will lose
1940, not 41 high schools 5
years and 5 years. So the
state shows decreasing our
student athletes just by 12 0
a over 5 years. So I prefer
not to use the state Rita,
wreath all we've we've
obviously seen they've been
completely wrong.
>> just want to I curiosity
hasn't I mean bigger that big
problem is what we're
presenting right here.
>> Is the state doesn't take
into consideration that
they're looking at birth rate.
And I so what that it's a one
line where we are. We know our
line the burning
>> not my job to defend the
state. But I think part of
what they're projecting in
here is that more charters are
probably going to come share
and they look at that on a
statewide basis. And it's a
trend.
>> I think there are. They're
projecting that we will have
some Charles and those numbers
were for the district. They
are 12
>> Another last question that
felt great pain are up.
>> Do we indies pockets where
we see developments like
probably number of like the 55
plus. Rethink that like
Delaware. And we did not
include year we didn't. But we
love those because they they
pay 41 the book. So we
encourage we have couple the
question. Sorry. Yes, and
looking at just areas woman
into where most of our growth
is occurring in county.
>> And the high school numbers
we've got 2400 projected
students 20 through, but do.
We have. Idea as too. Well,
know. What we're looking at in
terms of length of time that
this woman should be accruing
the students. I mean, any
time, know, that they haven't
filed in the put in there
there, you things to build yet
stuff. But look at general
idea. Of MR. Is going to show
you the slide here in a couple
minutes through his.
>> And ok, how much time do we
have before we have to
>> what is What is going tell
you is that? Through 44,000
dwellings remain to be built
again. If you look at kind of
the worst case scenario as to
where we are right now. 7,000
new two-year, they're not all
going in this district. There
are being spread out across
the county. So let's say you
have 6 to 7 but that's growth.
Maintains level which I I have
my the mistake.
>> confused about very
beginning of all of this. We
talked about. Overall
students, including charter.
But now diving into the s won.
Is a 2. I looked at that high
school population as well. And
I think did the math right?
Was 2,305. Additional high
school students that are only
>> traditional k right county
well, we would. Anticipate for
charter because there charters
are still under us. No matter
manages that there still. Our
district. Enrollment. My
correct?
>> They're in the right. I
mean, they're in the overall
the bigger right, 50,000 loss,
right? Right. But I mean,
again, we're focused on the
capacity of district operated
schools, right? And the
question of of, you know, how
many we're playing 2 very
different games, right? If
you're a single charter
school, you know what? You are
enrollment cap And if you can
fill all of those seats, then
you're done and you put kids
on a wait list right? We don't
get to put anybody on a wet
right. We have to guarantee a
seat for everybody. And that's
the you know, that's the other
challenge of this. And it's
it's part of the great in the
crystal ball.
>> Is I think what Mr really
saying is those forecasts
presume that charters continue
to grow. Well. We we both in
the past year.
>> when you talk about high
school.
>> if you look at overall in
Manatee County students in
grades 9 through 12. The
overwhelming majority are our
schools, right? The market
share. District operating
versus charter operated as
much everything I think it's
near 90 10, right where his
middle school is 70, 30.
Right? So we're just I we have
outstanding high schools.
They're very, very competitive
because and that's why that's
why the red
>> numbers all the way over on
the right side of these
efforts. Iran says too, is.
Alarming.
>> And that's why MISTER
Pendley has a high school on
the road map, right? And has
for some All right. Stated So
>> the 67 year answer that you
give to built. What exactly
was that again, that we won't
need a high school for 6 or 7
years of what? What What was
answer to a question?
>> We in my opinion, you are
going to need a high school.
Okay.
>> But what the time frame for
that thing is
>> I think you need a very
soon So all of what I'm going
to see the and on the next
couple slides is that you
actually have. High school
capacity that's just in the
wrong place. Now, you don't
have enough. Up to this point.
We're showing enough so that
you did the math that said 20
23 Why find? Yeah. So you have
a lot of capacity Manatee High
and Bayshore high. It's just
you don't have the students
going over there so Do you
change that line? Don't know.
That's way beyond my pay
grade. In and again, I think
the key pieces.
>> That in a different type of
community. We'll right if we
had this problem. I could do
some really cool stuff with
school choice to address a lot
of that. But if I can't get
kids to the school in a
reasonable amount of time, the
school choice options become
very unattractive right?
Because really what you're
talking about is, you know,
designing some kind of new
magnet program that's wildly
popular. And you put hundreds
of kids on buses right on the
east side of the county and
you put them on state road 70.
All right. Then you move them
way It's just not going right?
And so that's our that's
dilemma. In terms of another
high school it's not just that
we have capacity of the wrong
place. It's that we don't have
the infrastructure to really
tap that capacity. So that's
our. That source truck. First
and the traffic situations is
a barrier
>> And that was just filling
with Google Maps and it's only
like 5 and half miles as the
crow flies between Braden
River, Porter ranch, and then
over to our new property.
Those pretty close right But I
guess that is what I mean. You
know, we thank you. Talked a
little earlier about the fact
goal at one time was, quote,
unquote, out you know, we. We
put a high school, you know.
10 miles east of Lakewood
Ranch, quote-unquote, out
middle of nowhere. Maybe in a
few years. It wouldn't be out
nowhere. I would just bring it
up. It seems like those are
really close. 5 high schools
within 5 and a half mile
distance from each other. But
we bought the property where
it is on the rain. It is what
it is. Getting something
farther out of these. Not
probably. Option an option at
this time feasible or not a
good idea to her.
>> The problem with something
further out east is. I don't
think there's. Much available
inside the future development
area boundary line. So now you
jump the line. Which were very
had that discussion. The
county commission allow us to
do that, we would be
responsible for extending the
water and sewer. And improving
the roadways to get out to the
site and that is that's a
heavy lived there. Okay. Your
your point is. Well, and if go
back and you look at the
proximity of Manatee high to
Bayshore high to southeast to
Palmetto High. There. Very
close They really are.
>> But as you get farther east
of the county and I hear what
you're saying probably not,
you know, when weigh the pros
and the cons changing the site
for this high schools, the
pros probably don't know where
the cars, but we do have the
transportation issues where
we're driving. 2025 miles out
in eastern part county where
you don't have that problem in
the western part of the
county.
>> You know. Dries up our
transportation costs even just
putting another school. You
really that schools only like
3 miles Laker and the new
flood. There's going to be
driving 0. 25 miles for the
hinterlands of the county
getting these students are not
really drives apart
transportation costs, but I
get pros and cons where the
property is. The best place
for it to one to have that
Thank you.
>> Where on the rain is for
the property? I haven't.
>> from a fort it is if work
from your sports because it's
directly to the west of that,
it's bordered on the North by
Range Land Park a Cane River
and on the East Post Road.
>> The only in the field out
there. That and Lorain Road on
West.
>> will then have we
considered any maybe little
further north, like near the
river either either MR. Or
Light my boundaries just like.
On the other side of the river
area.
>> just 100 acres laying
around somewhere we can your
going to fight at the future
site really we're going to
cover that use never mind. I
was I want to. Okay 40 years.
40 acres. So we want to. Get
to the next slide. So I
mentioned future high school
site was within that school
service area what we have full
map here. So here you can see
that. Most of the large
developments are in the
western half of school service
area, the yellow line which
follows. I-75 Andrew One is
the boundary and you see it's
kind of squeeze between that
and the f deadline you know,
we we generally generally hope
that there's not a lot of
development that goes past the
half because that creates
issue for us. Because where we
just don't have sites over
there, we have to rely on
developers and with rely on
their timing, an example. That
some more Taylor Ranch where?
Know spray familiar with that
We purchase that site. 2 years
ago, contracted and we will
close on it. Some time prior
to the end of 2027. Why so
long? Because there's no
infrastructure to with rely on
the developer to put it in all
the roads, water, sewer to get
to the site. Now, I think
they're working on that now. I
sent email to them a couple
days ago asking for a status
update. So I expect probably
by the end of the year we'll
have the site. But again, we
have it's a different
scenario. We can't just go buy
a side out there and
development because there's
>> no, hope that those solar
will develop correct
infrastructure though its
exact And that's what more
about the timing of when we
buy it. You know, yeah. You
buy field, that's what you
get. If you buy a field where
the road and utilities. That's
what you get. So that's kind
of like the scenario you've
got to go through and I'd
rather go slow and get what we
can from. Natural flow of
things sent to right. And
again, Lake Manatee and the
right Ranch.
>> Elementary School.
>> Both within the service
area. So that's a lot of
passed, it see. So now we get
into school service areas, 3,
4, And there certainly much
less growth projected here.
It's more more lausd and
easier to accommodate. So in
school service area 3, which
is South central portion of
the county. Once again, we're
showing that there's 3205
drawings and that area that
are we project 276 elementary
students, 122 middle school
students and 202 high school
students. We lots of student
capacity available here. 1515
elementary 193 metal and But
as for 96 on high school. For
a reason for high school, when
we compare the 2 we show that
have ample elementary space.
1239. We have enough. No
school space. I-71 and we have
enough high school space. But
284. So we we don't have any
issues in this area when it
comes to capacity. So most of
the growth that you see and
the slide, you know, infill
projects. There's nothing the
row significant size with the
exception of. Of villages Linn
Creek, which right across
across from at ski, that big
orange block. Just for a point
of reference, the big orange
walk on the right hand side of
the Tara, I can tell you that
again on the work for Manatee
County back in the Mid 80's
90's. We're working on terror
at that time. So. You know, I
answer Ms Felton's question
about how long we have. In it.
You know, it's all smoke and
mirrors because no one knows
for certain. But some of these
developments can take an
extremely long time to
develop. So the
>> That's villages. Glenn
Creek. Okay. That's the one
directly across from at ski
that used to be on Nixon.
Proof arms property.
>> Right. And they sold it
maybe 7 or 8 years ago. But
Johnson, yes, ma'am, this is a
property by John says,
>> All right. And the little
shaded site right there at the
Braden Little tiny, Green.
What is not? Right on the
river. Very top. Just. To the
right of the red box.
>> It what?
>> actually have listed.
>> Graphic here this one, not
sure the other by. That's just
north of It's not road from
asking downriver. Wright not
far from it over its, ok, my
heart, all of that. And think
right? Yeah, I can't think of
the name of it. But the I
mean, they've been building it
for about a year and a half.
That's not far from asking its
back. 20th. Sorry. 26,000
right? Up to drive up there
into evidence. I just never
drive that direction. And
finally, we have school
service area for again, one
that has very normalized
growth projections show 2657
remained rolling units in that
area. You can see that we
have. Plenty of capacity here
to accommodate 229 elementary
students projected against
1400 remaining capacity 101.
Middle school. Get 716 middle
and 167 versus 1110, 56 high
school you know, passed in.
This is what talking about
with your your high schools.
You have you have capacity is
just in this area. But what
this clearly shows, I think is
that you have a lot of unused
capacity and not only the high
school level, but having
elementary middle level as
well. Sos maybe areas want to
focus on. MR. Khan has a
question. My just for Looking
at Lake Flores.
>> flower excuse me. Yes.
Okay. Like Lawrence. If I
remember correctly, there was
some conversation about some
landing set aside and that
development to build in
elementary schools that now
off the table.
>> No, sir, that We did not. I
don't recall probably buzzing
a What I've consistently told
this board in previous boards
as I have a concern about.
Divesting ourself of the
property that is merely the
Jason Bayshore high is the
only piece of property that is
not owned by them. That is any
of these different size. And I
look at it. And it as a safety
valve for us. If we need to do
something, there's about 28
acres right there. It's the
site of the old man to
technical college it would be
easy for us to develop. Right
now. Our projections don't
show that we need it certainly
time soon. Depending what you
do with redistricting. We
could get to a point where we
need it. Even though we're not
showing a lot of growth here
right now. There are 6500
units approved in that. Yeah.
What's the name again? They
change Flower City or yeah, it
was like for So they're 6500
units overall prove they're
they're just not a stage where
they can build So if you know
you're going to see more
impacts in the future in that
area. With all that MISTER
Reno, he's going to present
the next line. I just want to
make a another comment about
currency. One. As original
been, just keep keep in mind,
word that. Ssa for is where?
Some of our highest.
>> Meade schools are from
economic perspective. And so
when our title one schools.
>> Were your?
>> Offering more services?
When we do those program
capacity adjustments move free
space is going to get smaller
because of the number of
different resource rooms that
are running in those schools.
That's also from the vpk
perspective, right? Important
target areas since we know
that when we get kids into
vpk, there were likely to be
reading on grade level by
grade 3. And so although on
paper we've got lots of room
there. That's a good thing.
From the perspective of, you
know, really concentrating on
early learning.
>> The this next slide, Mike
talked about the top for
groupings of the ssa. The new
part here is bottom bottom
group. And that has to do with
totaling all of the everything
that is in reservation right
now. Re you can see gee,
graphically ssa one as is say
to at the high school level.
Concerns. There are 2300 the
other issue that I look at is
that as they say one to the
elementary level with 138.
Student station capacity to
me, that's that's about 8 or 9
classrooms for ssa. One. And
then for ssa to that's about
10 elementary classroom serve.
You begin to. You know, once
you look beyond the growth, if
you begin to consider some in
migration and all that, you
can eat up that capacity as
well in the exact same. And
that's a 3 at the middle level
with only 71. So that's
basically 3 classrooms worth
of space when it comes to the
middle school level. But, you
know, overall is Mike said
we're at it. 44,000 little
over 44,000 units and taking
them down and roughly 7,000
units. A year during that
time, 7 to 8 year range at
this point right now. And you
can see overall. We are
negative for 1000 for the high
school. But keeping in mind as
say one, and this is a 2. They
they have positive because of
what happens in 3, 4, So I
mean, it's definitely
geographic. It's definitely
bit of a district-wide
challenge that we that we're
going to be facing. So like to
talk a little bit more about
Concurrency know Arnold is
presented so.
>> concurrence who was
established? Again, it's a
fail safe mechanism to
regulatory tools. Growth gets
too far ahead. There are
mechanisms in place to. Try to
right the ship for example, if
you have a concurrency fellow
year. You could ask the county
commission to stop growth.
Developers have the option.
Basically to do proportionate
share mitigation agreement
where? They could come in and
say, okay, we're going to
build a classroom wing for you
to accommodate our impacts or
they MAY prepay all of their
impact fees or they MAY a deal
where they give you a school
board site. Now that doesn't
help with capacity, but it the
concept is they will mitigate
their impacts. One of the
things that we did years
because there is the freeze on
impact these for years. We had
discussion with the board
that. We were. We were
starting to experience some.
Currency issues. And
developers actually supported
us on the impact fees. And
that's because they want
certainty when a developer.
Goes to buy a piece of
property and they invest
millions of dollars into the
planning and permitting of it.
They want certainty. They want
know that they can pay and go
so they with the impact fees
we use those impact fees for
capacity related improve so
they can you know, they pay
that impact the and we go
build an improvement. We put
it on our five-year work plan.
One sits on that plan. It gets
counted. Were concurrence.
Okay. Now we're not counting
everything here. We didn't
count the high school. This is
a different exercise. This is
a planning exercise today. We
did not have a concurrent see
for all your in this county.
Elementary schools. The wake
currency is set up is
elementary schools would that
have to be at 110% of capacity
for there to be a failure? No
schools will be at 105%
capacity for failure. High
schools will be at 100%.
There's no high school being
planned. Now we have courage
to tell you. But with the one
that and the work plan. Even
though we're not counting
here, you don't have a
concurrency If that makes
sense of So I just kind of
want to lay that out there for
you. So at least in
elementary, middle were
nowhere even close to a
concurrency failure. But high
school. Yeah, we that's
something we're keeping an eye
on.
>> If I In layman terms, I
just want put this into layman
terms for some people. When
you're talking about
concurrency failure and stuff
like that. Because we have a
vision that were potentially
going to have to put in a new
high school. That keeps us
within next. Concurrency. No
different. Then your projected
to spend $500 that are
checking account. But you have
a direct deposit coming So
that's going to keep here in
the plot. That's kind of like.
People talk date, Anders I
don't understand, didn't
understand a lot of us until I
went to the doctors are going
over and over and over it down
Pat. And look at definition
actually doing that. So. You
know, I'm a term. That's what
that means. Am I correct in
your that? In the counting
system.
>> All right. And that I can
think of right. You want to
say about
>> In so I I think Mike, he's
gone through most of moon. We
know growth forecasts. A dent
says they want to. We will
need elementary and high
school relief ssa One. And
there is that as I say, 3, we
MAY need some middle school
relief as a for 3 in 4 has
adequate capacity keeping our
over. When you look at it
overall is keeping it up. But
geographically, as a says,
it's a mismatch between
location where we need the
capacities right now. And then
here's Peeps Mike and I up at
night. The unknowns. How
quickly will these remaining
drilling units be constructed?
That's something that that we
watch. We try trend. You know,
we we've got an idea of what's
coming right now with the
present conditions were
percentages of students
generated for the reigning
Tuesday go to district
schools. Innovation and school
choice is expected to continue
in Florida. We're committed to
family focused approach in
recruitment as well underway.
We have the group with their
MISTER Clark. And we must
prevent the big point is we
don't have the ability to say
that we've reached capacity.
Therefore, we put you on a
waiting list. We We need to
find a home for the students
when they come in and will
manatee continue to approve
the residential developments
at the rate we've seen over
the past 5 years. And what is
the outlook for the future
boundary lines? So those are
all. Elements to the pieces.
As we're looking at the
rezoning we're trying to, you
know, figure out where where
we're doing growth that was
The mayor, anyone has any
answer.
>> throw into Boundary line
can be determined every 2
years. As the cycles go
through. So. That's such a
there.
>> MISTER Clerk. Shows both
future good afternoon board
afternoon. So now we'll talk
about future projects for 20
27 and beyond. Sounds like a
as you heard about a lot of
growth anticipated growth and
s has a one in 2 regions, one
So we have some projects that
were planning to do in those
areas. First up, we have.
>> Lake Manatee k 8, as you
know, that'll be finishing up
this year. We're already
talking about and to classroom
building addition to that
right? You'll see that we use
the same architect, which is
hks, do not have to see him
yet. The funding source would
be the propose cops 2026.
Project budget would be up
17.5 million dollars. You can
see the design start. We
looked at the start. That
design and MARCH of 2026. With
the completion date of JULY.
27, which is the 27 28 school
year. Approximately looking at
about 32,000 Square feet and
all out to be fleshed out
through the design because
quick lot, 18 classroom, 18
classrooms, approximately 360
students could be a. Some more
depending on design. Next Is
the barber Harvey North River
Ranch. Real similar to Lake
Manatee. We'll stay with a
Saint. Harvard its architect
of that building. So we'll
stay with that company. Be a 2
story classroom building
addition, we look to use the
cops proposed caps for 2026.
Do not have acm for that yet.
Project budget similar to Lake
Manatee. Be 17.5 million time.
I will similar. MARCH 2026.
For the project. Design.
Project proposed completion of
the that JULY 27. 2027. Yes, I
spent yeah. The first question
going get out in the public
this.
>> Okay. Lake Manatee isn't
even open yet. Adding on. A
17.5 million. Correct?
Assessment?
>> And to the incident. For
the additional classroom
space. The student growth that
way when we Thought about.
>> That's late. Manatee k
through every thought about
the k through 8. When was
that? We started talking about
it 2 years ago.
>> Was it was a party, least
when I got a
>> did we not? Think We're
going to have before even get
a bill.
>> Well, I mean, design wise,
much like we do parish
community where we did the
addition.
>> We we have the grating
done. We've got the building
pad ready, and we've got all
the utilities said to tie into
At that The keep in mind
manatee, Kate was up over
100 million dollars. We did
not have additional funding at
that point to do it. When we
say that it's going to be part
of the cops 2026. So that's
the 2 additions along with the
high school possibly being
part of that cops issuing 2026
to do so. My.
>> Response to constituents is
going to be. It's not so much
a planning problem. It's a
funding.
>> read in part funding. But
we want to make sure that
we've got to students to right
i mean, right. So we feel into
way up
>> Basically is there you go.
A new term grow as you and
then, of course, the funding
have to follow that, too. So
when projected like the k
through 8. We didn't know back
let the growth would be and I
can't even say what the cost
it was going to be back then
to what it is today. So that's
huge kind of thing. What
vice-chair. It's that. But
it's also I mean, is as put
the finishing touches on the
parish addition right?
>> The community is asked, why
did it take so long to have
this building? And it's like,
because when that design was
locked the growth was an
accelerating the growth has
slowed since these 2 new
projects were kind of put in
place. If anything, without
the kind of creative. To
campus solution would be. We'd
be talking about another
elementary school that.
>> We'd be looking emergency
building.
>> Right. I mean, to relieve
hard.
>> Because really using what
was going to be a middle
school.
>> To do that relief so the
alternative because again,
that there's in the board
would have vote to do another
cops issuance. The alternative
to this is to not do those
additions. It is the school
fields. We put 4 doubles out.
You know where those spots
are. And we live in portables
for a while. Right? And then
and then we build the
additions later. But then
you're going to have the same
questions of why did you plan
for the super? Well, we're
ready. It's just a question
of. Does the board want to
make that investment or do we
want to let things ride for a
while and see what happened?
That's you know, that's really
where we're at. You build it
and growth slows and then you
got to get the way and people
are saying why do you have to
swing parents students? So.
>> And that no, basically why
I wanted to spend that
question. So you could explain
through you're Next up, we
have the triple a high school,
my grandson, lot of that talk
about that as we said, it's
right next to premier And it's
we're looking probably use a
prototype that started it in
play do not have an architect
Rcm identified funding source
once again propose cops 2026
in need. Prior estimate.
200 million dollars. All
right. I want to say that
again, if shot. Schedule
looking at take 6 to 9 months
to design. About 2 years to
build it out. So high schools
take a long time. As you know,
campus. As I said, it's on 100
acre Parcel Lakewood Ranch
area. And we already own that
piece land. There quick
question when you set.
Potential prototype that we
are. You have. Is that why
other districts are building
right now? Sarasota.
>> As one under construction
down in Venice and we visited
one so already. So we would
find one that the other
districts are using that we
can kick the tires and so,
yeah, it works for us.
>> Cut. And that would cost.
That reduce cost architectural
services, correct?
>> Yes, like to design as
well.
>> If back off of their time,
right? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And
that could lower those
projected estimate down. I
$1000 or so.
>> take
>> There there are multiple
districts right now that are
building new high school. Some
a lot of districts in Florida
do have declining enrollment.
But there are a few of us that
are growing there were several
districts right now in in
design or construction for new
high schools. So there there
are multiple options out
there.
>> Okay. So you're saying the
one that you visited is up and
going.
>> And are calling under
construction right now. The
Venice area. Well, and it will
what it called Bowling Park.
>> Willing to my heart.
>> I think 40 that year. I
think in the end I think
they're going to be up for the
next school 2 under right.
>> So they're going to be open
next year. There's building
now still doing a finishing.
Okay finish and MISS Them.
>> On the map here for the
projected aaa school what what
are the buildings Joining the
property?
>> will see You mean to the
south of the south? That is
probably get the name wrong.
But you'll get the idea. It's
like what Range.
>> Interim district, major
facility and
>> their post office right
there. It's a post offices of
directly south of the Got it.
>> Nobody's going to complain
about Friday night lights
right?
>> then there's fire station,
right? The wrongs well.
>> there's one, there's one
property owner.
>> a Tennessee, know, but
little corner to the left of
>> So within okay. 70 us here.
And what is I'm sorry,
raisins. Up top range
Londoners range limit rain is.
>> To the And the ride is
called Mike. To the south is
closed for a bank. 59 Avenue.
All You have a question. I'm
trying figure out where 44 get
a bit of rain. Jump First.
>> Everyone's minds working
slower than everybody else is
apparently finally got So
stations with a couple of you,
there are some other ideas
about the school other than
$200,000 to 1000 high school,
right? We want to. Go down
that road right is a good time
just think it's the me you got
100 acre.
>> There's some uniqueness to
it. So I do think there are.
Multiple options so could
build on less than less than
100 acres so that you have a
future small school site if
you needed it. We've talked
about the fact you as the
district continues to grow
this building is no longer the
middle of the school district.
Right? So you you know, you
MAY want to carve out a few
acres and build a small East
County office. Right now we're
reading some space in
welcoming a lot of families
there, which is great. But you
could do that. I think there's
some options for how you
design and grew into the high
you know, as well. We've
talked about, you know, a
multi phase project. So I
think think there's just think
multiple possibilities for
this for the site.
>> What when is the Have the
discussion during further
budget cuts later in the
spring or or
>> Well, I think think the
first, you know, I think the
first piece of it is the
establishing the need to write
the y and then, you know.
Making sure that that we're
headed in the right direction
as a team with looking at
design. And then I think it's
getting architect of talking
through, you know, the
possibilities. But certainly
if there are specific ideas
about what else to do with the
site. It's a good time for
those conversations. I think
get we've talked about We've
talked about a number of
ideas. So is this your best?
>> I heard like the 6th or 12
but based on what you've all
talked about, is this your
recommendation through is that
we just go ahead with plan as
planned or
>> could You I think we've I 6
through 12 is one of the
things we've you know, have
talked about it again. Just
just hypothetical
conversations around the
table. I don't know that
there's and I don't know that
we see the need. This is Sarah
Lee and data. But it is
option. So, yes, I think
there's any number things that
can be done. I think certainly
we could design a beautiful
would the 100 acre high
school? I I I just my my
thought is I don't know that
we're going to get 100 acres
like this And so let's be sure
the design phase that. We
don't leak something out. And
later go, we have done this a
little more tightly right, we
could have done something
else. On the other hand, when
you look at Lakewood Ranch,
High School, right out of
space, we do get questions
about why wasn't that built a
little bit larger? Well,
because when it opens 20 years
ago, people wondered why you
needed ice out there right? So
I think you know, it's just
working through that process.
>> So the choice will need its
own stadium. I mean, is it
feasible to share stadiums I
know a high school like logo
on there, but it is a feasible
to sheriff stadiums and so
says schools are somewhat
close together. I don't that
addition running track movie
for a gym or something. But
and then you have the premier
sports campus is right there.
I don't know he just ideas,
but this is what he does.
>> MR. Clarke's a former high
school principal say he he
could probably win. And I
think that's what Dr Watson
said. You you talk about
Lakewood Ranch and they're not
having baseball field or
>> a softball field or sharing
it with the county county that
presents challenges. Man. I
have the baseball field miles
away from I don't have to. I
talked to was on it. Hope we
got to think about the future
and try to keep that in mind.
It is a challenge not having
some of those things on campus
for sure. I know there are
other district down in Miami
this stadiums and things. I'm
sure that is a challenge but
but for for me, you know,
having high school having all
those resources right there on
campus is ideal. Those will be
conversations for sure.
>> 0 million you know,
follow-up note my point,
another trade up in life very
up for principle to have all
that stuff Save 20 million
dollars. They something about.
Thank have.
>> All of that. You know, I'm
not we do need do this today.
All these thought, but I want
to make sure that as we go
this process. That we are
looking at every single option
right? Not only does face
potentially that we're using
for this, but I personally.
Find it very hard to swallow
200,000 200 million dollars.
One we've got. 3 schools. That
are well that are under
capacity. That in the future
next 3 or 4 years are probably
going to stay that way. On the
West Side. High school degree.
And I my son, we talked about
it. Youve got Braden River.
That's only it like 1800 kids.
Inland. They could good
nother, something he built
there. Help like the range
open up to where the new
development here is gonna be
able to be held at Lakewood
Ranch I just want to make are
looking at every single option
that's out there. Because if
not, going to get into what
we're seeing. A lot of
parliamentary schools in the
west side of is half the
schools.
>> And in.
>> I know the next 5 we're
going to talk about today here
in a minute. Know but there's
there's there's still costs
are running in campus.
Hate-filled. It's time make
sure we're looking at every
single option we possibly can.
That's a little that's All
safe to down. Not going to get
anything crazy
>> CHAIRMAN, mean, if the As
we have discussion, if there's
discomfort. That 200 million
dollar price tag. Obviously we
would have to find a way. To
accommodate the growth. And so
I'm prepared to bring you a
proposal. That doesn't call
for that. A high school. But
it will. But it'll be a pretty
significant. Structural
change. And so we just have to
be prepared for. The effects
of rolling that out as a
public proposal because there
is a way to do it. That it's
significant. And so, you know,
again, not ready to throw that
on the table today, but if
something that we want to
schedule that will build
concept out.
>> but I think would I think
it would raise some eyebrows.
>> We'll get it get press
worth a conversation or just
to be sure. And like, no, we
don't want write it out. I
mean, I don't think this area.
So there's necessarily
>> get the growth all the
different North South. And we
are east west of the river
involved in things like that.
I do think we're Sarasota,
different beyond us right here
in this room, particularly
make the decisions. You know,
your path is.
>> I think they.
>> All of their high school
except for one. 2500 kids,
right? You've always said if
you want high schools that
big, you know, in high school
that big right now, obviously
with that direction, they went
that direction and they added
on or they build a new school.
They made it bigger to
accommodate that kind of
stuff. Mean, we do that as
well we could with a grant
high school. There's no
question that that was pretty
much tapped out as county.
Want to give us some of their
fields right? And so I just
want to make sure that that
again, that we're looking at
every option and those today
and maybe that shocking like
that. The one change, maybe
it's like, no, that's not
really worth it right but, you
know, I think that I think
it's. We've got to go through
the whole due diligence.
Rather than yeah, just let's
just do. Cops are just, you
know, 200 million dollars and
MR. Pilley mentioned all of a
sudden you tonight. I'm not
saying it's going to happen at
all. Who knows? But you get
something like that. And all
the sudden we've got these
cops and you've got to pay.
You know, we're not we don't
have we don't have impact
these come in. We don't have
those things. The payback. So
i think it's it's prudent for
us to go through all of our
due diligence. This talking
about future project options,
though. That's, you know, why
bring up that can all be out
right? The strike
>> not just sticker shock One
comment, MISTER Tatum. So was
about. Building or you MAY be
said, adding site for. Parents
and student just serve the
community. Some are what we do
here and north of the river, I
think would be good use. You
know, if we go direction to
build that. To even add to
that.
>> It could be a.
>> Alternative source.
>> aboard If we wanted to go
remote to that area or
whatever, that even be option
to serve 5 of the kind of
this. Who wants to drive. From
all the way out the Lorain
Road or even Myakka. To
downtown Bradenton. And I said
this a thing yesterday during
a meeting where all about
customer service, no matter
what role we're As elected
people here. That's what our
role is. Just are. The
district communities we move
in represent so. District 5
benefit from that kind of a
building. I think it but work.
But I don't know if it be
included in 200 Million. That
that's a lot. And then you
have to think about
>> servicing that debt. Than
me.
>> And I guess we're getting
into that So. Awful lot. And
you talked Mark, let me talk
about maybe save a $5,000 and
architectural design. Notice
that their deal here you've
already designed it. You've
already built it. Only
difference is this county that
county and then going this is
how and why. This is why. All
of us should be advocating. As
a school district can build
schools at the same. Level as
a charter school. He's allowed
to build. You can go to any
parish community.
>> Charter built an addition.
>> Or less, then what we
built. So this is a good
example of why we need to be
advocating for us to have that
same kind of GOD life. And we
don't. I don't necessarily
want to say charter schools.
You've got to build up to our
I say school districts. Let's
all be on even playing field
as county buildings. They have
a code that they go by
churches in whatever.
Marketplaces. Can't we follow
the same building codes? Why
are understand we have a need
for. Shelter capacities and
all of that. But those are
pretty much. Already in our
building code for hurricane
strength. Even our homes have
to be at a certain code
anymore. This is a perfect
example for everyone to be
advocating for us to same
building codes as
municipalities in county.
Think of it. We're just held
at a higher standard and it
just baffles me that size
rebar and county building for
some the size of our rebar a
school building. It's so much
greater. Concrete, concrete.
You know, the concrete we use
in today's down here,
especially. Can we stand?
Storms that we coated? Just
want their didn't blow or
concrete building. That's for
sure. If you are some funds,
but MR. Tatum is that know
>> I was going go into I know
I've had this conversation
doctor was on run all day long
as respectful of your bins,
Martin. Always since he's been
doing this reporter years. But
the school PRESIDENT, Billy
prices, are getting out of
hand. And we had we should all
advocate for modification with
called throughout the state
requirements for funding
statutes and at this
conversation, when I was at
the finance France last week
and I brought this up and the
new school board members you
could some of them, at least
you could just see the like go
online. They come up to me
afterwards, like I need to
contact any thought about
that. And this getting out of
it. And I understand the idea
that well, you know, we'll
build a school that might last
60 years charter schools build
school last 30 years. And
>> that just to the pay me now
or pay me later. But the
reality is, is that. One of
those straight up things
right? Like we just can't
afford these kind of building
costs anymore. And, you know,
charter school didn't blow
down during the hurricane and
there's a lot of the
technology out there that goes
along with things like talk to
Bill is likely about this.
There's drywall that's almost
quote, unquote, almost as good
as concrete for the interior
of the buildings in the
building's consistently. Tell
me that the reason years goals
cost like you look at 68
almost 70 million dollars for
1000 seats. Yeah. And you go
up to the parish school that
was built. Their addition was
a was 1000 seat to the cost
and 21 million dollars, right?
I'm sure there's some
differences. And I've been
asked by sir, how much more to
make it a shelter and the guy
or architect and the builder.
Look each other, said about
3 Million. It's about
3 Million. Also, we have to
make it a shelter. The point
is, yeah, we need to be
advocating for that because
this is getting out we are and
it's in priorities, right?
When you up there keep.
>> actually have conversation
with DR. Why people he would
not just conferencing
Gainesville, the 67
superintendents that should be
advocating for this.
>> It's up to them to decide
whether they want
>> We But I'm Gus recommended.
Yes, 67 that I mean it all it
impact every. District
building too. Doesn't matter.
Really does not matter.
>> talking built literally of
their money use the same
building code as a charter
schools. Good enough for those
kids. You know, if we're
worried about fire codes and
stuff like that, I mean, it.
To covid, you know, whatever,
whatever is going charter
schools, that will be good
enough.
>> And my point is, is just
not charter school. In a
building this bill in the
county has to go through
permitting. What a difference
in, you know.
>> be interested to know what.
So just quick Google search up
with this is that Lakewood
Ranch Prep, right? They put in
looks like they're up for a
500 seat over there. But they
put in a weight room, a gym,
black box, their football
field to north and green space
with artificial 3rd and then
trucked the males go there
asking what U.S. Build your
upper campus and investing any
way.
>> And finish up on point
about. Sharing green spaces
whatever. Like that ran
accuses County tennis court.
>> Right. Softball. But all of
it. It's just yeah, I adore
them. It well, it does until
it doesn't. That. And I've
been out a match. Like, ranch
where? There's been public
people prior They're waiting
your wonderment. Our match is
going to get over weapon. You
know, so and they're caught.
You know, and that's not good
for kids know to see that kind
attitude from an adult cell. I
say more supportive of. If
they're going to do this. I
don't like the 200 million
dollar price. But I would work
on that our 8. Advocate to get
that. But I would also say
need to have our if we're
going to do that. We would
have to include is that price
include those kyree us? But
ball. But it's all ok, ok,
yeah. The thought of thinking
of the aisle speakers. We do
the next slide.
>> So this next slide speaks.
That slight speaks to Future
site options. The land. We
have 2 sites that are under
negotiation. A new k 8 call it
a a Buckeye Road and Pritchard
Road. Approximately 39 acres.
And at 3.6 million dollars
that in a home. The Potato.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Then we have a new
elementary site. State route
60 for us on Burnside
Boulevard. Brayton. 20 acres
and 1.8, million. 3 sites were
just looking us to the growth
as you know. So we're looking
for elementary Yes, right. New
elementary site, the new
middle school, bb new high
school bbb all in the parish
area. You see the respective
sizes. They're 20 acres for
the new elementary. New middle
will be 30 and then high
schools are typically
100 Million. But if you do
something, I mean 100 acres.
But if you scale it do less.
So those are projected sites.
That's what reported last
labor your future.
>> By year, 10 years I'm not
sure. I mean, with that all be
based on growth, right? So
we'll just be watching a
monitor numbers to see what
they look like.
>> Henley. So we've 7,000
dwellings, the years old.
Thanks. We'll see a monitor
see things go.
>> I need to share something
with on. Acquiring future
sites. There is a house bill
proposed by don't remember the
number of it. And it it was
proposed last year, not pass
these bills generally take 2
or 3 years before they gain of
traction. A pass. This bill
really discourages districts
from buying property. 2 hold
onto for future growth because
The wording and it says that
if if you lose give me some
some leeway here because It's
been a while since looked at
it. It says if you have a
reduction. And capacity. Not
passed e and Roman by one
percent. You have to offer up
any property that you have to
a charter school I think local
government. What was it low
income housing? Yes. So. You
know, we're in a growth mode.
But if you think about a one
percent decrease. There could
be one or 2 charter schools
open and they could take that
much in Roman Out of your
system and you'd be forced to.
To dispose of that property
them. So. It's very
discouraging. 2. You know,
from my perspective to try to
land bank in the property.
It's right.
>> Well, on to the funding of
trips just this for. Art has
been discussing here. So we
all know that the 1.5 Levy, it
can be used to pay debt
service, which is interest
payments. The 1.5 mill capital
outlay for 24 25 fiscal year.
The one run right now
>> is expected to generate
113.3 million for this fiscal
year. Now that as a reminder
that set the 96% collection
rate and then we have been
advised out or told by our
financial advisors that
they've identified that best
practice where they like to
keep ca the district keep
their total debt service
payments at 50% of the 1.5, no
levee. That would be about
56.6 million in your annual
payments. So for the we've all
been talking cops and I
realize we have to make sure
we have to define that. That's
the certificates of
participation. So cops for
2025 issue, which is for these
2 new elementary schools that
will be opening in 2026. We'll
bring that total debt service
to be unexpected. 33.5 million
And then this would still
leave that district with room
for approximately 340 million
in additional projects before
reaching that recommended
total. That level service of
50% of the 1.5, no levee. We
have to slide some of the move
on to to the next one. Before
we. Have any questions here.
Now, the our financial
advisors have indicated that
justification like rise
enrollment. That kind of the
thing that district can
increase, that annual debt
service to the statutory
maximum. 75% of the 1.5, no so
for Manatee County School
district. This means that have
room for total of 745 million
in additional projects. As a
reminder as well to that
school district, while there's
the state law that has that
service calculation, you know,
using that 1.5 now that there
is also to be able to pay for
annual debt service. The
impact fees in sales tax
funding as well. So it's not
just the cops that we've been
talking about that pay for
these future construction
projects, including land
purchases. Also as a reminder
and that hasn't happened here
in a while. Our figures, you
when we talk about the debt
service, this is not including
the future possibility of
refinancing. And that would
also lower our annual debt
service payments. Some of the
current outstanding cops that
we have is a result of those
be financing of even older
projects. So does anyone have
any questions or requests? I
know we've had a good lesson
on it from the investors back.
Really great for Trump. I do
have a question moment,
>> Why? You said are one mill
capital collect that at 9, 6%,
rate. And then your say on
your second bullet point. That
we're paying 56.6 million
annual lease payments. That's
the best practice. Got best
practice to What are we
paying? We're like 38%. So so
right. And Mr Glover gave the
left tackle where the 2020
>> 5 cops would take a step
in.
>> Make it like 0.4, 4,
>> Okay. So we're not at know
we have. We have and the 4th
bullet. Mates just how much
room we have, right? Just in
that best practice. Guess I'm
getting the point. I want to
get
>> We're collecting at a 96%
collection rate. How much are
we paying in interest and
everything else? You know, a
thing. I guess. But I think
what we currently paying
record at. Yeah, I mean that
we writers and my right here
yet.
>> But they are detailed in we
actually have that when
brought that back for it in
SEPTEMBER. In one of the
notes, the financial
statements for the long-term
debt. For cops. You see
principal column and interest
entrust Com.
>> I'm I'm a look at because
online, how much are we?
Paying in interest if we're
paying? Truth, you know, and I
know we got a lot financial
was there's way for Vance and
I am. Just curious how curious
to how much for if the
collection rate versus the
interest rate. You know, I'm
saying. We're about. Marvin.
>> I hear this might be, but I
would mortgage calculators
Putin, 340 million dollars. At
a 4% interest rate. I I do
away with all the property
while kind of going at it on a
20 year term because that
along our bonds are that about
right. So those are our bonds.
About 20 years of yes, yeah,
>> So here your mortgage
payment is about 2 million
dollars a month, which would
be about 24 million dollars a
year ago. Switches. Something
close to what we're doing
anyway. It's your total
interest paid over that loan
would be 150 or 0.4, 7,
9 million dollars. I even more
uncomfortable. I didn't want
back to that for that
>> But it's it's it's a big
chunk it. Many millions of
dollars interest. It goes back
to what we have to reduce. A
building. The school is are
all the more we have? Rate you
know, to be honest up. You
know where where we draw these
lines and
>> where the school zones are
and all of the technicalities
that have gone along with this
It's informative need to hear
it and know what I think. It's
a bore. For me, this is what
i'm looking at. You know, This
is my heart of financial part
of it and make sure that Rick,
I'm sure doctor was on his to
do your right now you are.
But, you know, but that you
guys are the experts. And
where did all these lines and
how did the school capacity
and school choice and all that
kind of stuff. But, you know,
this is what I'm looking
trying to keep us fiscally
sound and trying to take the
burden off the There as much
as
>> Right does to my point
detect bears. With a benefit,
pay interest. Keep her debt
down. I mean, keeping our debt
down would be that 7, 6%,
collect, generate. I'm not
saying raise taxes. Do
everybody all all out of an
error. But I don't know what
the difference would be if you
did a nice 6.5% If that were
get our debt down because?
>> the I word just missed.
What's going right? Is just a
click, ok? All right, John,
even made up time to that a
person or on thinking felt.
All right. I got I see Those
could get it you don't. Yes,
go.
>> Would you please give us an
estimate? Not right. This very
moment. But what what what if
we and 40 million dollars out
about whatever you think
interest rate is going to be
4% or whatever. What's going
to cost and interest over 20
years? The interest of number
seems a 154 million without,
but killer says. But 50, 60
70 million dollar range
somewhere around there.
>> think we have run the
numbers Thank you.
>> thank you, Rich, creamy the
punch. I want to make that
same point about. Not what the
school, a new high school that
costs us. 200 Million.
Probably another. 8200 million
something to pass 300 million
school. There's another factor
to that has been touched on.
But I just want to come back
to it. Like I agree, said at
the beginning, you know, that.
The interest rate environment
we're if we'll see where these
tariffs go, if they go
anywhere, they might be gone
next week. We don't know but
we're already in a world of
high interest rates, inflation
and high interest rates.
That's very scary. And then
think I forget side it on. But
it was that was a reference to
the innovations in school
vouchers and those 2 things
happening there. The that's
going to affect our district
operated school's enrollment
is that wasn't last year. The
legislature removed the
income. Cap. Yes, on the
voucher program. So we're
going to even work in 2 to
private schools because they
get a portion of that tuition
can be paid charter enrollment
just continues to rise here
per year. So that's going to
take more district kids waved.
I mean, they're still kids.
But we're gonna take member
district controlled schools.
So there's so many. There's so
many variables that were kind
of so many moving parts that
like really this what we're
doing today, not to this
length and depth maybe, but
like almost to meet requires
like a quarterly check in like
where are interest rates? What
or maybe annual twice-a-year
were interest rates right now.
We'll turn role in numbers
that because religion I had
that the our financial
advisors again, keep an eye on
those rates currently. And and
I just
>> last week was discussing
with them, they are still
watching it. It is not time
for others. It we can't
refinance anything because the
rates are higher than we.
>> It then we bump issue to do
that. But they are keeping
that It's not just quarterly.
They are keeping an eye on
this on a regular It's not
even monthly. It's more half
of ocean said yeah, the free
money days are gone for that.
But I agree. I think this.
>> Beyond the rezoning
different things like that,
like the future stuff. I think
has to be looked at. Have the
right like in the summertime
will meet get our project, I
guess, maybe a month or so.
You gender rolled here. Going
to be like you just never
really know. And you won't
know until school starts
anyways. And so, yeah, I mean,
I think this is all very own
mean. I
>> And I think this is, you
know, to the earlier point.
Why we're having it build more
dashboards that are going to
give us real-time information
because at the cabinet level
we're talking about all of
this. If not weekly, certainly
every other week we're looking
at what's happening with these
because and again, we're
talking about the capital
budget. More schools is more
for right? More units of
overhead. And so there's
there's the operating impact,
too.
>> I don't No one knows that
up to speak to me. Move on to
the the next topic is. We've
got the plumber.
>> He said there and this
won't take very long because
obviously we ended up in some
pretty deep. Conversation
today. But just because the
policy requires me. To do the
periodic review and present
you with the results of that
review with kind of giving you
all the inputs and all the
data and so formally, these
are are are my findings
enrollment is continuing to
climb even with increasing
school choice options. Right
now we have schools that are
either nearing already over
capacity. And again, they're
spread throughout the
district, not just the one
area creating that kind of
cascading effect. We don't
believe that we can use school
choice options to remedy the
capacity concerns largely due
to transportation limits
traffic congestion. Distance
between schools. Clearly
future residential housing
growth is going to further
constrained capacity. Least 2
of the school service areas.
And finally, at a minimum, we
have newly constructed
facilities that necessitate
the creation of new attendance
zones and obviously that will
also impact other current
residential attendance zones.
And so that the that is
essentially the key points
behind all of this study to
and all these conversations
that we've been having
internally for months now. And
so that, you know, kind of
ends the periodic review
that's required in policy. We
are going jump to school
Times. This is fish out of
water topic. What do have to
discuss it because
>> again, our timelines are
going to run parallel to each
other. And so this complicated
as a potential community-wide
attendance zone adjustment.
Sounds if we also have to move
school start times. You
introduce several more layers
of complexity. And so we're
not going to spend a ton of
time on this today, but at
least one MR. Johnson do walk
you through what their
requirements are and kind of
where we're at because we do
need to start having this
conversation. Absolutely.
Thank you, Doctor Weiss on so
they introduce an additional
layer of complexity and to
make a
>> MR. Clarke and
Transportation truly busy this
year House Bill 733. With back
in 2023. Added some language
around. So as requirements
related to public school start
times you can see them listed
below, these would be required
beginning with the 26 27
school year select DR. Rice on
set. Not this upcoming school
year, but school year
afterwards. 26 27 and kind of
concurrent with the timeline
for the rezoning. There are
new requirement essentially be
the middle schools cannot
start before 8 high schools
cannot start before 8.30, and
there is no requirement placed
on elementary schools. It the
start? Obviously, no decisions
have been made about this.
This is a process we we get
into as a leadership team. And
as the board and detail over
the next several months. As
you kind of start doing the
mental arithmetic around this
right? You're either looking
at having really early
elementary start times,
probably something like
07:30am, in the morning. In
which case you elementary kids
potentially waiting in the
dark for school going to
school early or extremely
late, potentially elementary
or middle start times. Said
introduces a level of
complexity. If you can think
of the impact it would have on
things like sports and other
extracurriculars at the high
school level as well as
students ability to work
either before or after school.
There's just a lot of
complexity around one. How how
this impacts, you know. How
are schools operate? But also
how our families and the
community operate. And so as
we think about, school zones
and under new schools and all
of the changes associated with
that. We simultaneously have
to be thinking about this.
There has been repeal
legislation filed in both
chambers this session, but
obviously don't know what the
future that is going to be.
And we're just going to have
to, you know, continue keep
the board updated plan
internally around operation
allies in this planning as it
will, you know, as it's going
happen unless during
legislative session, something
changes. And of course, we'll
be working not just with our
with our schools, teachers,
administrators and the board
will be working with families
getting feedback from all of
our community stakeholders as
well. Wow. MR. Finn. The Jets
and thank you, Thank you very
much that information. So.
>> On the consortium called
the Central Florida School
board. Source from call. It
was on Monday. And maybe you
guys are aware of this because
usually it further ahead than
I am on this kind of stuff.
But one of the one of the
counties on there that came up
as a topic and one of the
county has already kind of bit
the bullet he's just done it.
And the comments from the
school board member war. It
was painful. We're making it
work. I don't know that you
know, you know, I'm talking
about her. Are be that, you
rather reinvent the wheel, you
might over there at least talk
to say, hey, what he has done,
what you know. My point Lou,
there were several counties
that when this requirement.
>> was, you know. Went into
effect. They just didn't get
the bullet right away and
decided to use Maybe it was
something they'd already been
thinking about. But they made
that transition you know, I
think. Like you said, there
was probably a lot of pain
associated with it. But also I
think not all communities
across the state probably have
the same appetite for that for
that change rain, different
working conditions in
different counties. Different
structures, socio economic
needs. And so I think really
engaging with our community is
going to be pivotal for this
Obviously, we will learn from
the ones who've already done
it. But I think there's going
to be some nuances here
manatee you know, counties
maybe didn't have to face.
>> Okay, great. And the county
that was speaking I don't
think was like a rural county
with 1200 students or
something. You know, something
remembers from bottom line is
this county. So are like
Osceola, I could go back and
figure out who it was. You
know, that's I already done it
and they would be the pain and
overall it's working out well
for them.
>> We will absolutely be
learning from anyone who's
going the phone just.
>> I so light wishy-washy on
how I feel about this, like
it's maybe back and forth is
not what you Just right word.
Having taught high school
having kids sleep through
first period class because
they're so tired and they
don't. Their biology just
doesn't function that early in
the morning. But also knowing
that so many of our kids were
working and helping spur their
families as well as that other
consideration. That's not even
including, you know what after
school activities and things
like that is just.
>> I'm very interested black
were going out to the
community. Very interested to
hear what what
>> they have to say about
suspect our country.
>> Yeah, no, I've been on the
soapbox before. As long as
this has come up, all jump on
and I am a huge proponent of
the start school later The
brain science is very clear
and I took a run at this years
ago and heard. What's brought
jobs. Good sports,
transportation, but not just
in Florida but around the
country. There are hundreds of
districts that have made this
change for the benefit kids.
Large.
>> Small role urban.
>> Like there are so many
districts we can go look at
sea. How did your a great with
the geography of our county
and we have a giant river
running through the middle of
the sun, too. Few bridges. We
have a unique situation,
especially when it comes to
transportation And honestly, I
think this is probably going
to repealed anyway. So this is
probably moot point for us.
But put this idea out there,
we could always just shift the
entire school day. So like.
High school starts at 8.30,
instead of 7.30 Elementary
starts at 9.25 that a 25
middle school start to 10, 20
7. I-20 now you'll hear some
people that's let's put that
one out with feedback. But but
it's just especially when it
comes to adolescents. You know
what, what's that second wave
of brain activity in brain
development. It started about
13 years old it's just so
important for whole rhythm
changes. They had a liscense
that's why kids are sleeping
first That was in middle
school that didn't have to go
to school 10. Think about MAY
think about to do a couple
hours.
>> I think about what we're
the rush hour. Traffic pull
all those school buses hit
road during, you know, we did
morning rush hour in afternoon
our legislative priority of
like having flexibility. I
think that's ability. I the
flexibility is key and not
not. I don't I don't disagree
with the start. Time being a
high school teacher. And
having kids. I all adults
start their day at 7.30, with
3,000 or whatever. Brutal,
right? So so I agree with
that. It remove it. But I
think that that we we talked
about is the board just the
flexibility so that the hard
you can't start this or that
having something to flick. It
looking into it. Maybe we'll
be here for operations. You
like you say. It didn't
legislation. So this could be
a 0.2 months right? But it's
it's I'm glad you guys have on
the radar for doing this as
well. It's because it is going
to take everything. So do you
think that this bill would
it's going to your bill? I
don't like But just know that
route from this and looking at
who's the Education
subcommittee for this
sponsored and stuff. I don't
know who
>> But I know is on this
subcommittee, at least 2 a
week so anything, it's going
to be interest and their next
meetings. The 20 s so I want
to recap here, representative.
>> All right. So board members
from last appreciate it was a
very long workshop. We debated
splitting it up. But I think
that to we just had to get
through all of the
conversation rolling. So my
intention to board members is
to bring a recommendation to
the 2/25/2025 school board
meeting and the recommendation
will be free to authorize me
to initiate the residential
attendance revision process as
outlined in 5, 1, 2, 0, 0, 2,
The policy requires that my
recommendation incluidas
adjusted timeline and
communication so that will be
part of the board agenda if
the board approves the
recommendation on FEBRUARY,
25th, the policy requires that
we hold at least one initial
public meeting for the purpose
of explaining the rezoning
process going through the
criteria that we use for
establishing attendance zones
and providing public input. I
will tell you board members
that given the potential
larger impact of we are
working toward offering as
many as 5 public meetings, one
in each geographic area of the
county will use our high
schools to boost those. Again.
The policy just requires one,
but we want to be very
transparent about this
process. And so we're tracking
toward holding 5 of those
meetings policy indicates that
after considering public
input, superintendent will
develop a minimum of 3
rezoning plans that would then
be presented to the public at
a second public meeting for
review and input. It will take
us some time to develop those
plans and likely need to have
at least one additional
workshop to talk through some
of the pieces that you all
asked for today. And the
notion is we would develop at
least 3 of those plans go back
to those public meetings, get
more input in the process. Is
that my team and I take all of
that input then either come to
the board with a reputation to
advertise one of those 3 plans
or to revise continue to
iterate process. And so again,
we don't envision this being
anything that gets done I will
say that does approve the
recommendation to initiate the
the revision on the 25th, we
will go live with a new web
page on the Web site that will
be central repository for all
of the available resources on
rezoning include policy
language documents, id or
develop timelines. The draft
plans when available how the
public can provide input. We
will use Let's talk interface.
That right is on
Transportation se and
Superintendent Office of
pages. We intend to invade
that right into the rezoning
page again so that people can
give us input any time. They
like. We have a couple of
different models for how this
plays out. We foresee a 48
month process just ending
scoop complexity, iteration
all of those public meetings
and obviously of we would
bringing you regular updates.
That word meetings and
workshops and again, love.
Finish up where we started.
Nothing that we do here would
take effect until 26. 27 were
later. So 25 26 were were set
up and ready to in. The other
question that's commonly asked
when communities go through
this process you know, whose
exempt who's not exempt. All
of that already in policy that
the board updated last fall.
So again, with it. Well, you
know, when we get to this
public meetings will be able
to explain who by policy is
exempt. You know, with school
choice and controlled open
enrollment, even after the
process is done, there MAY
still be an opportunity for a
family get where they want to
go. But that's the purpose of
this initial public meetings
to go through all those
processes and perimeters. I
believe that is the end of our
presentation, MR. Which back
to request actually. And that
is when you come up with your
at least 3 plan.
>> It's not too much trouble
be helpful for me, at least to
3 to 5 pros and cons like
these are up 3 to 5 rows on
plan only for the 3 to 5 funds
of this That would be helpful
to me and with plan won't just
come about it, you know,
they'll be all the data, all
the parameters. So it, you
know, it's again with with all
of the technology that's
available now.
>> There are a lot of
different data layers that we
can apply for analysis
purposes.
>> you
>> want to do it or not, but
again, I'm thinking back my
military days is that. Kozar
what these are courses of
action. You know, the matter
is they give me 3 a victim the
one you recommend that might
be interesting to hear. You
know, which one you got
overall think is the one that
will best suit to the needs
what we have. It. Lot of that
data that that you're going to
shows. You guys understand all
of that for me to be able to
decipher through this counting
on you all the experts give me
the pros and the cons. That
really looking those that it
You some of that data. But in
the pros and the cons and then
what would your record if
you're working? You know?
Which kind of you under on
report What would you would
you do?
>> thank you thank Brent. What
would be helpful for me. As we
go through this process.
>> Just from what we already
know. The rezoning is coming.
Probably it. With a lower dew
mold because they're capacity
at some of our schools. Start
this process and I had this
conversation with you. I just
want rest of board members to
know. I want to see the
program of how it works this
goes market today. When you
did the rezoning for parish.
Did you see the program?
Because I remember watching.
And the gallery, whenever you
are moving online and you
could pull a street over
whatever guys have control or
did you have? Not from dia?
>> That was that was really
every step is really fun to
do, By the way. But that was
the that was our boundaries
political districts. I doing.
>> I know. But with when he
when we were doing a rezoning,
I know that there were people
in the gallery that were
saying, please included
specific street and you are
referring open right? Which I
school. They dropped. They
were going to go to I am
distinctively. Remember, do
the Well, removing here. This
would add this many more
students. So that I didn't
know if you access to the
program or if you are just
looking at Google map, for
instance or something, know,
the year just real
>> What we're doing now is a
totally different process from
then And so that when that was
only school specific. And
that's the nature of question.
I want to ask about the foot.
So the superintendent at that
time put together 3 committees
for each school it MAY come up
with idea. Team be coming off
of And then team a b and c got
to come here in this room.
They set these goals and they
started, you know, pointing to
things in neighborhood which I
think is what you remember.
But the record me or any of
the board member did so we
didn't have at this. Last
year.
>> bought our year. Care
program. For this specific
things. To help. It's very
elaborate and expensive tool
to help with That will That
will project.
>> Yeah, does to So to your
point, I think that would be.
And if the board supports this
idea, I think that would be a
beneficial part of this
process is whomever, as we're
discussing this, if we had a
live map. And in one its top
program, right? Is my point?
If the if the if the public
can see moving lines and then
adjusting and then when you
move the line of the just home
and numbers, I think we really
beneficial for the public. If
we if we can make that happen
and in order.
>> All of it and I a I spoke
to DR. Why something about
having a workshop that the
board could actually?
>> See the program, how it
operates and see how they're
athletes doing this. Because I
don't I know that 3 different
ideas and you recommend the
best one. What I'd like to see
the program.
>> Cubs So.
>> We do require mapping
software program. We're all
learning the program now,
right? Certainly. Once we
fully understand its features
in the vendor has made the
customizations that we've
requested.
>> Certainly I if individual
board members want a demo of
the software, I think we
arrange that. I don't know
whether live in the boardroom
adjustments. Will be
technically possible. I would
counsel that. I don't think
it's advisable Nord nor be as
diplomatic as I can. Nor do. I
think individual board members
should be drawing maps and the
software respectfully. If on
the mean, if we get to the
point where we get to a
recommended map.
>> And the board says, ok,
we've got this public input
and we'd like to see these 3
variants that we can go back
program. The variants right
and provide all of that data.
>> But I just want to be sure
to see that maybe worker bees.
We can do a I think we could
see. But Icu's right. Do think
though.
>> Live. Maneuvering is
probably give you more
difficult and active
redistricting zoning rival.
Yeah, I think that that maybe
have some kind of no-fly q
laptop. You can do it. I don't
even know this is a
>> So but I do think bickal
ignite for us to see just a
quick demo. Hey, here's not
working. Not a saying that we
do get to do it better than
absolutely. But just to see a
demo to see. But it looks like
absolutely. Yeah.
>> I ask is that workshop
sometime between now and want
to make it to that point
boundaries that do. We have
that. Luxury of seeing what?
We bought? And what what it
actually does. I mean it with
every program. There's tweaks
and that sounds like that's
what you're doing. That
program is probably a read us
a generic. It's a program that
can be modified. 2 specific
districts. I'm guessing based
on what art that it is. So it
can project. And so it define
different regions. What we're
doing here. All right. You
have to certainly have Half of
the boundaries that are in
there now. So you can know.
We're going to go here in the
future. So I'm sure it's been
modified the generic program
and I'm not demeaning the
program itself. Can modified
to our district, airing in a
desert, be honest.
>> All of them. All right.
Currently owns.
>> maps, regenerated today,
the earlier map summer came
out of the program. So they're
pretty close to establishing
our baseline. We do have some
hiccups that the middle school
the important thing and why
would?
>> Caution not to do in a
public meeting is there is a
lot of student data associated
with that. When we move lines,
we are immediately able to run
reports to student accounts
and things like that. And
that's probably east. Student
that that's not appropriate to
be displayed in a public
meeting. As Doctor Weiss on so
that it MAY be best sit down
we can show you. Works. During
one on ones. There is it's
it's a fairly robust tool.
Gives a lot of information
about the students we move
them. And we want to make sure
that the integrity and the
privacy remains the way should
be.
>> I get that point to do
that. Also. I also think
collectively it's such a rest
of board members bought. We
could do a shade. Meeting on
the program. As just the the I
don't think we're the good
thing about
>> I think I think I think for
the sake of time, right? I
think we could discuss this
for sure who get quarters 8
months on this. But I I do
agree that I want to see i
every night to see it. And no,
this is a program that's
working. You know, it said
rep.
>> The offender as a generic
version. That could be
presented to the board. I
believe. Oh, you mean like
that doesn't ever just want to
say didn't air. It begins
right now. I they had to come
to you our go through
purchasing show you what the
program correct. Yes, it it
probably had their generic
data. Every student name with
I don't See what I'm saying.
There should be a way. That
program can be presented not
only to the board it to the
public without disclosing You
student information are
arriving out. We are bigger,
but really thing.
>> By the way, I did not mean
to imply that board members
should be. Creating attendance
zones. Said, no huge. And I I
just want clear that that, you
know, again, it's a I think
it's better for us to take
that on and that we have the
board meet with the work. You
reject it and give us new
direction and will go back
complete when you when you
what you want. No, I just I
brought that up so you're
right. Like as soon I said
that I thought about even if
we're just looking at. Dots on
a map where kids are, that's
probably a violation right
Even if it was just numbers.
But what I wanted just one
final piece before we go into
the how do you plan to frame
this to the public? Because
what that from the last time
around the If residents
remember that it was we're
only doing this for this new
school and then the feeders
that will be affected more
boundaries around it or will
this be more of global county
wide? We're going to make.
Little fixes here and there.
So I'm just wondering how. Is
this a more global approach or
we're going to do this? More
focused on the new
construction and things like I
think we certainly Be more
narrow in scope. We we would.
>> would be easier on the team
to do that. The problem is if
we don't address some of the
other. Issues that you saw.
>> Then I think missing an
opportunity to make the
student experience a little
bit better.
>> totally agree. I think
should be a global looking as
long as we're doing this.
Let's do it big. Let's do it
right, right. And in and
having said that again to
MISTER Tatum's earlier point
about pros and cons, right? We
MAY. We MAY bring a map that
says, look, we were able to
fix everything. But you MAY
look at the number of families
affected and say. No way go
back to the drawing board and
then we MAY come back and say
there's a different map that
doesn't fix all the issues
that affect a lot fewer
people. And I think that's
that's why when we rework the
policy, we didn't say we're
just going to bring you one
map and you can either adopt
or reject it right? Because
there are going to be so many
variables for us to look at.
Right. And that's why you
started with several options
and you kind of narrow down.
And then when you get down to
that last it really is. And
this is where the public input
is going to be so important.
It might be a parent saying,
hey, you're you know that your
software showing this. But
actually the way this line
brought, you just split a
cul-de-sac rain and then we're
going to get cars and drive go
your right. We've got a shovel
that a little bit because you
want to get that right for
family? Last right? So that
that's we're again, that's
kind that filtering process.
But but again, we MAY get to a
point where we bring you
something that's more
comprehensive and you just say
no, that's too much
disruption. Let's but let's be
more surgical. They will go in
that direction. But but again,
I think we're looking to bring
in multiple options support
full comprehensive approach
for
>> And and to add on to that,
I just want public. Every
parent out there, every anyone
that's got a student our
district. Not going to affect
all of but it's going affect.
Our community r student
population is going up that I
mean, we just can't get around
it. And I let the holistic
approach. I mean, we're going
to do it. Do it right. Go big.
Go home for they say. But I
think that this is. I don't
have to got I There's 2 things
when Decided Do this for Get
in your superintendent, Dan
and the rezoning. I knew both
of those were going to be on.
The boards plate. This is one
of those things all have
sleepless nights over. Because
it's that important to me that
we get it right. You know, it
MAY not be perfect. But in my
heart feel comfortable that I
did the right Yeah. And that's
where I'm I'm at with it all.
It's going to be hard
communicating to I remember
now MISTER Kennedy, the 3
different groups and they all
came in did a presentation not
that he's each school. Oh,
yeah. So companies. But this.
It's too big for something
like that. So we've all rely
on expertise there community
input as well. So hopefully
the convention center will be
done a but so so good. Get
that one moment. Sorry. I was
just want to first.
>> Second, pretty much what
everybody said. I totally
agree with MR. Taylor about
bringing us some pros and
cons. I really would like to
see what you know, so we can
help weigh And I just want to
thank all of you for being
here and doing the 7 hour
marathon with us today going
through all of it. I
appreciate doing it all to
break it off and keep it
together in our or and then I
just want ask our our
community to please be patient
with us. Everything that comes
out is not going to be set in
stone. So please don't attack
us with emails and phone calls
right away say, oh, my
destroyed where where my kids
are going to go. Please,
please be patient with us.
Please be patient with the
staff. They're doing their
best is going to be hard. But
we will. We will do our
absolute best for our our
students and our families and
the to you. Please keep that
in mind that we're doing the
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long weekend.
>> Happy Valentine's Day.
We're adjourned.