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Mr. President, please let me know if you have any questions.

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That's the thing, when the audio came in, hear me?

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Yes.

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Thanks, Margaret.

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You're welcome.

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Good evening, everybody.

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I should have all of my audio shut off right now.

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Recording in progress.

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All right.

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Now we've got the recording going.

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Good morning. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the September 21, 2021-26 edition of the Manchester

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Connecticut Planning and Zoning Commission.

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We have a fairly hefty agenda in front of us today,

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so I will get this show on the road. We are at account of eight members, either online or in the room

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tonight. So online, I have Arianna Larson as a full member, and then I have three alternatives

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who will all three be seated this evening. I have Margaret Brewer, Malia, Asson, and Sarah

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Van Buren. In the room with us tonight is to my right to the left to the right is Mr.

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I'm going to back to Andy Kid.

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That's what the type of day has been.

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To my right is Patrick Kennedy.

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My name is Michael Stevie on the chair.

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And to my left is, she's my brain.

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That's really dying.

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Theresa Ike.

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So all this is going to be on the exam.

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No, no.

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I haven't stopped yet today.

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been going since like seven o'clock this morning, and driving home with a learner's permit

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child from and field at five o'clock tonight was was a lot of fun. She's actually really

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really good. The problem is that I needed to pay attention to those to on the subcommittee meeting

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for the zoning rags on the ways, so it was a lot of fun. Anyway, tonight we have three public hearings

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So, we have eight online.

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Is there any mic online for us?

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Let's do a quick check.

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Thanks for the tech check.

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No, at least the second time though, I might be able to get it without messing up.

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Okay, so very quickly, because did the recording get the beginning of that? Do you think or no?

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Okay, so my legal side is taken care of. I just didn't know if I needed to read everything again.

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Good, because I'm going to mess up names again tonight.

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Point of order is that Claire who's sitting tonight to everybody here. Yes, I'm going to make clear to the people online. I have

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Online it permanent members are young and then three alternates all three of which will be seated tonight

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That would be Margaret Brewer, Melia us on Sarah Vembeurin and then the four permanent members who are sitting in the room with us tonight

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Okay

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Like that. We have a list of public hearings. First public hearing for the

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night is for Cedar Ridge Development LLC. This is inland wetlands permit 352026.

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If the no secretary is not in, so if Mr. Kennedy, if you could read the public notice

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for that first hearing, please.

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Cedar Ridge Development LLC in Linwettland's permit, 35-2026,

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importing fill, and grading within the 100 foot up in the renewed area,

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85 rock bridge walls, events, clusters own and importing fill,

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grading in construction of a foundation for a single family home,

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and death within the 100 foot up on the de-area at 95 rock bridge,

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in the building tonight or is everybody online?

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Yes, this is a big need to sign in the room.

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Engine air for GF instruction.

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You see that spring night is pulled up?

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Not yet.

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It's coming.

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Okay.

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Now I've got it.

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Okay.

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So, thanks to the last last month we're here, I don't know if you get me to go right

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here.

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Issue with the slope along the back of these lots here.

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So, we've had David Lord go on and analyze it.

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And so, what we're looking to do is bring some, we have sci-fi a rock, cross the rock,

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Bring it over mix it with soil and establish this slope similar to it. It's very similar to the one that was approved about 10 years ago. So we're going to come up with a slope have some re a couple of reverse benches and then we're going to we're going to matt it here. It says anchor mat, but I know your regulations call for coconut.

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Oh, so that's what we're going to switch it over to the colk in the mining.

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And the bottom we have right along this line where you're going to have.

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I think Mr. Nathas, do you mind zooming in quite a bit so we can see more where you're pointing.

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Thank you.

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Let me just, yep.

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So here we're done in the bottom, we're going to add hay bales with silt fence, a double

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combination is so we'll be asking Mr. GF Constructed to build this up in layers, one to foot layers at a time as it gets impacted up into each of the, this is the first bench, you guys stabilize this section, work up to the second layer, stabilize it up to the third and then have us all stabilize before he can move

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on.

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At that point, that's where we've done for the stabilization.

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I think, David Lord is online, he's the one who analyzes the wetlands in that area.

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He may have some other observations also.

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Good evening.

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For the record, my name is David Lord.

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My company is sort of resource consultants and I have an office in Maryland and Connecticut.

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I believe in your application package, you have a document I prepared.

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day that September 17th, if lists the process and the evaluation that I've formed

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on property, relative to the delineated intermittent water course channel, which is shown

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on the drawing there with flags 7 through 14. I looked at that and I'm page 2 of my report

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you will see some photographs of that channel area.

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It is not a wetland by soil type.

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By that I mean there is no connection with any groundwater

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table.

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There are no wetland soils associated with it.

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It is strictly an intermittent water course

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that functions as the discharge pathway for a detention basin, which is

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locked to the left of this drawing, the town property, show you a visual of the

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outlet structure from that detention basin that flows into this waterpours channel,

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But it is not a true weapon by soil type, but yet it's an intimate water force based on the current standards.

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It does have a somewhat well-defined channel.

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It does have the appearance of water flowing or standing that's not directly related to restore me then.

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I, the attention basin has characteristics of persistent flow when capacity is reached

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in discharge begins.

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There's patiently, there is really no difference between the upland areas on either side

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of this water course channel and the wetland water course channel.

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You'll see a close-up photo 2 on H2.

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Mr. Lord, this is Lord Hold on once I get to you have that any of this because I

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I don't have, I would just give us a couple minutes because we don't actually have it in front of us for what you're doing.

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So you may, I'm going to, I may ask you to go back a little bit and reload some of this information, so we can have it, the verbiage with the image that we know we're looking at.

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Sure, you're viewing photo number one, an illustrily view, you see the existing rock slab wall, the area coming down to the area about where this large in place like slab goes that's the area that is proposed to be filled in the incremental to establish

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the rock protected slope that's shown on the site land drawings.

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If you move up to photo number two, this gives you a close-up view of the water course channel.

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Important point to focus on is the existence of last year's leaf drop.

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Within the fine water course channel limits, that's an indication to me that water does not flow through this area in such a velocity that has picked those leaves up and clushed them through the water course channel on the area of light 20.

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You'll see some of the burn vegetation, which is either side of the water force channel.

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Those are upland ferns, primarily Christmas fern, which is an upland type fern.

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Not a wetland, and there are no wetland specific plant species within the limits of the defined water-course channel.

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The Water Force Channel, I did not define it myself.

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It was re-established through accurate survey of the original wetland delineation work that defined the closest edge to the proposed filling activities on the last 20 and on the last 19.

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I've also looked at the Connecticut National University Database for any listing of plant

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or animal species in the immediate area of the proposed work.

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They have no listed sightings for either plant or animal species within the limits

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of the

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on a sapling-sized tree immediately below that, you will see a wooden stick with a blue flag in this area.

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Here, that marks one of the limits of that water force, the water force channel, which actually extends to the right,

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downgraded the end of the development.

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Again, very characteristic of the Upland Review Zone

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is this very rocky surface area,

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which has very large rocks that extend down through the soil

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surface to be a very hard side

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between the limit of the intermittent water

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and the existing slab rock wall where the work

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is proposed to be done. In the area that I am highlighting here, there is some indication

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of channelized flow or at least to find flow from the rocks on either side of the flow pattern,

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the rockiness of the water force channel surface further dissipates water that's discharged from the

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that detention basin flowing through the intermittent water

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per channel, reducing the velocity

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to be, which, again, is evidenced by the presence

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of last year's reef deep drop and the total lack

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of any sorely erosion or sedimentation

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that I could find, other than further upgradient,

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and possibly on the out-of-open space property,

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There's one little sediment delta that appears to be the result of a break in the rip wrap,

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wind, and edge, bunchpool from the intention-based structure itself.

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That is shown on photo-four, that break in the, this is the rock rip wrap, bunchpool area,

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it's stone-wine water comes out of the detention basin, settles in here, reduces the velocity,

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the discharge of water boost through the rock rip wrap, much full limit bottom area,

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and then goes into the subject inter-minton water force channel.

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I've also looked at the

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on-site intermit watercourse channel, even to somewhat downgradient where it leaves the subject

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the lots and moves further downgradient. I saw no indications of any of the watercourse channel

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provided any of what are considered critical habitat conditions for plant or animal wildlife species

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in the on-site water course channel and those sections immediately downgrading of the on-site

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portion of the water intermit water course channel.

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I'll pause at this point and ask if anyone has any questions concerning what we have found

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and studying the subject, intermittent water forces, existing conditions,

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I'll leave it at that for this point in time to answer any questions that any members,

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so the commission may have.

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Yeah, before we get too far into what's just

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outside of the year scope of work, what is so the current slope coming down,

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what is its condition? What is it? What is it set up as? Because I know you're doing the fill on top of it.

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I don't have access to that. Do you have that in your records of the construction and the engineering plans for that potential base advantage flow discharge?

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No, I'm talking about this.

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I'm not talking about the retention based on the non-subject.

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I'm talking about the slopes on Latin 20 and 19, et cetera, as they currently stand, before you can

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any film, what is there to help us to see what they set up last?

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There's no indication of any soil erosion taking place on any of the channel's sections

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that I saw.

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Are they ledge near the surface, is there a good chunk of soils above that that would be

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absorbing anything?

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There appears to be what would be described as a very stony surface of the site.

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Both outside the water course channel and in the limits of the intermittent water course channel,

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there are very large lots, which are partially buried.

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The surface of those are exposed to the, above the soil surface, there are also intermediate

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sized blocks inside. They're in places very tightly knit. They do not move. Walking over them

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or trying to dislodge them. They do not move in any manner. They are solid in their existing

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care. Okay, so if I get a good rain, would water be absorbed down through that or would it run off

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the top and down into the wetland and the water course down below off the end of the property.

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Based on the safety and the observations I've made are the water course channel limits.

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All of the discharge coming out of the detention base is carried in a confined limit

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area that's defined as the water course boundary and have no indications that I can see

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of any soil erosion or sedimentation that moves any of those

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watts, any of the soil on the surface of the channel

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itself.

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I don't have any information on what size,

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but the tension basin has been there for a number of years.

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I'm not even looking at a detention basin,

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which is, no, I'm looking at this chart

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coming out of that.

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Yeah, no, I'm looking at the sheet flow on the subject

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for properties. So on a lot, 18, 19, and 20, that sheet flow. That's what I'm looking

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at. I'm not looking at anything outside of the process.

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Okay, I'm sorry. I get interested in it. Yeah. So I'm looking at those.

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That same condition occurs. If you go and look at the photos, you look at photo one

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And photo, I think it's three.

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You can see what the conditions are

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in the upland as it approaches the intermittent water push.

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It's very stable.

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Large rock exposed on the surface.

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Water sheet flow comes down that slope.

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Is moving being deflected by the rocks around.

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And it is being reduced to velocity.

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be based on slope, the surface texture of large rocks, and also the leaf

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cuff, which is a decaying plant material, that's on the soil surface.

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It's still there today from last year's, in previous years, leaf crop.

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So it's, in my opinion, that that slope is extremely stable.

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So it does not have and is not subject to sorely erosion or sedimentation issues.

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Okay, so last one from you real quick, so that same process, if it rains on 1819-20,

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it sheets from the road straight back pretty much.

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That water from what I'm hearing, correct me if I'm incorrect, is not being absorbed

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on the lot, it's being, it's running, it's sheeting surface across the surface until it

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flattens out, even though the rocks, yes, may slow it down and give some turbidity to

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slow it, but it's not being absorbed there at all. It's going, when it does rain, it

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sheets across the top, that what you're calling the intermittent water course will capture

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and then it kicks it off down to the adjoining properties of the town property.

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And during periods of extremely small, regular, lean fall events, you will get some

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infiltration through the soil surface where the soil is exposed in between the rocks.

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And it slows down as it bends and is deflected by the rocks.

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it has the opportunity to infiltrate into the soil there.

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The really problematic, but potentially problematic issues are when large storms flow and

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have to potential to pick up that leaf material, this large soil particles entering them

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in the sediment that goes into the water portion.

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I'm not seeing any evidence of that type of occurrence within the upland review zone below the rock slab wall down to the limits of the intermittent order.

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It's safe.

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Okay.

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I lied.

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I do have one more question.

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I'm sorry Eric.

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I know you're waiting.

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So given that, and now I know you've seen what the engineers and what not are proposing for the

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fill would that fill sort of function the same way where the water should stay on top

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or would the water because it's rocky and some containing soils being put in there

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would that would that water were rain would it sheet still or would it go down into that

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fill would you know to filter out if there's anything there or would it just go across

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the top and it's followed.

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So we have the opportunity, based on my understanding of what that new slopes are going

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to be constructed by it's going to be a combination of soil and rock material.

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Some of it will be planted vegetation of cover.

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That's why you increase the likelihood for water that reaches those new slope areas to

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infiltrate into the material and move down work and move towards the

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intermittent water force channel. There is similar just different location on the

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site but very similar manner as it does today to the existing wax lamp wall

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that's further up the soil. So really no change in how the water moves off of the

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object, lots and moves towards the inner water, for it's going to be very similar.

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Move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move.

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Okay.

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Did you actually have anything to stress or not? Sure. Okay.

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Thank you. I know in your presentation, you talked a little bit about the existing conditions.

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As part of a public hearing that we've decided is required for this, we need to get some certain information

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provided to us like a description of the ecological communities and functions and values of the

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wetlands. Is that something that you described here or is there another narrative that you

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provided in this example? Well, there's no other narrative. The condition of the slope where the

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It has some vegetation, but not a lot.

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There are sizable trees with trunk diameters arranged from five to over 20 inches in height.

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In that upland review area, shrub understory is very limited because the mature tree canopy does not let a lot of light move to the ground surface.

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And ground cover vegetation, you have some secondary regrowth of the main tree canopy species,

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which are very, and the ferns are the only plants beyond the secondary regrowth of

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the tree species, which are present both in the upper review zone and in the water force

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channel itself. It doesn't differ, again, the uplands and the inner vent water for a channel

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has very similar vegetative cover and soil surface stoneness. They do not have any persistent

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water source for wildlife to be attracted to the area. They do not have vegetation which provides

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food of food supplies. They would be looking other areas in not in this area as a food supply.

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And with the exception of the main tree canopy species, you would not have much of the way of

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a nest in sites or cover of protection for wildlife species within that.

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That function is not, if there today, it's not going to be significantly altered with

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what is proposed, because the rot and soil slopes will provide wildlife habitat function

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and cover protection as in establishes the vegetation that's proposed to be growing on

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there.

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Other than that, the area, especially the environment water course, provides only a function as an exit mechanism in a discharge mechanism for the storm water that she flows and reaches the environment water course comes out of the detention basin and flows down through the Great.

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That function will not be altered and will look different, but the majority of it will function just the way it does today.

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I don't see any reasons to believe there's going to be any significant alterations to any of the existing functions and values of the intermittent watercourse channel from what is being proposed in the up and review area on the subject.

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a lot C-T-19 and 20.

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I've talked about it at point eight and nine on page four. I

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talked specifically about I see no decreases in the long-term functions and values from

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the anticipated activities and I have a summation which at the appropriate time I'll just make

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maybe I could just read that now.

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In my professional opinion, the proposed rock russia operation,

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with the list of operations, and there's a set number

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of local regulations and some practices are listed

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on the safe land going.

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Does not represent a potential for significant or measurable

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adverse environmental impacts to the short-term or long-term

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functioning of the subject, wetland resource, and its present levels.

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The Internet Water Course channel is going to function the way it does in its existing condition

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after the proposed work has been completed on it.

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And with that, I'll close the B.A.P. to answer any additional questions the members may have.

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Thank you. So, in part of us finding that there could be a significant impact by this work.

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What prudent and feasible alternatives have you considered that would cause less or no environmental impact to the wetlands?

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The site, as I have described it, does that, in my opinion, result in a significant potential for adverse impacts to the wetlands system?

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I have not hoped at what they had feasible and prudent alternatives because I feel the proposed alternative for the wall and the rip wrap provides sufficient protection to the resource to not result in any degradation by it, either during construction or water after the feature has been correct.

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So, the engineer made David, the makers, might have additional comments to make regarding any feasible and fruitful alternatives.

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But that's all I have at this point in time to work with Jeff.

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Yes, they made this, we basically just admit what was approved years ago from the slope in this, you know, the way the slope is benched it off.

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So in the same house, so we really haven't looked at any alternatives to this other than just a minute.

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What was there? How cool of years ago?

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Alright, thank you.

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So the Connecticut Inland Wetlands and Water Courses Act requires the Inland Wetlands Agency to make the determination about whether there could be potentially a significant impact.

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That's the decision.

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Then that this body made at a previous meeting. So because we did that, we're required by state statute to make you describe prudent and feasible alternatives.

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That's a requirement by state statute. We can't just accept that you haven't looked at that. You have to show us what you've considered as options for this. So do you have any prudent and feasible alternatives that you've considered?

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Well, the original, like, the other older that we ever looked at originally was not doing anything

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on that slope at all, keeping the house up on top and not, basically not giving the house

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a back yard is going to be as it's, I know we talked about the construction company and this

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day shows this on, but that we did look at that.

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So if that's the prudent feasible term, that would have been it.

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We looked at just moving a house in leading as a slope and basically on the ground as it sits.

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So is there a reason why that plan is not?

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That's just into the upper right here, but no, no grading whatsoever in the back.

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Is there a reason why that's not a feasible option here?

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This is like basically, because this is the focus of proved here, so that's what we went with.

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thought it was approved so we thought we could just mimic it and bring it forward and

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update it and go with that.

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If I can, this is David Lord.

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While it may be feasible, it is, in my opinion, not necessary or

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prudent because it does not provide a significantly enhanced level of

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of potential for impact to the web, the intermittent water course, as it functions today,

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is significantly protected from the future, development of lots 18, 19 and 20 by the proposed

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measures, and that provides a level of protection and makes it a proved solution because

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because I don't see a significant difference

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in moving the top of the field slope

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farther away from an intermittent water course,

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which has very little flow in its present condition.

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So that would be an additional comment.

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I would be regarding the feasible and prudent alternative

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to provide a greater level of protection

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to the resource. I don't see that here with this project.

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Thank you. Have you provided an analysis of chemical and physical characteristics of the

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film material?

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I have not known. David?

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No, I'm just telling you it's going to be a

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cross-block with some fines, but we haven't done any tobacco already, and now I'll just say

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that no. Okay, that's another requirement of if we find there's a potential

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for significant impact. And lastly, is there's soil sample data that you've collected

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for this?

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The soil samples that are taken are for the definition or observation of the wetland soils,

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the poorly drained, very poorly drained, deluvial, or fletclane soils. There are none

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of those soil types there. That negates the need to take soil samples within a literate

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water course channel, which is based on physical characteristics, vegetation characteristics, not soil pipe.

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All right. Thank you for clarifying that. All right. That's good for me. Thank you, Google.

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Thank you, Mr. Cross.

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A couple of the items that Mr. Prost asked were where items are I was going to look at.

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You know, it's like, you know, location of the house on the lot. Use of pillars in order to accommodate any of the slopes,

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You know, a walk-out basement doesn't sound like a super bad idea or, you know, like I said and moving it toward roads.

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I mean, I've grown up in multiple corners of the country and have seen some really, really imagined

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if items for houses on slopes are in places where there's environmental questions.

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So, the alternatives are important to see what can be done because it's, to me, it's not

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necessarily, hey, what's going to make it better?

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It's, what's going to create the least impact on an up-and-review or a possible setting

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a possible condition of an issue down the road into that, into that water course.

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And again, as Mr. Prouse asks, there are a number of boxes that we as a commission need to check off in order to move forward with anything here.

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So, and he's very clearly listed those off.

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But I know that our inland weapons agent might have some different opinions on a couple of the items that have been presented.

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So if Mr. Liu, but if you are able to go through your findings of the properties and what you were looking at and seeing, it would be appreciated.

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So before I get into my discussion points, I want to back up a little bit and remind the wetland agency that what was presented on August 17th is what you made the determination on and what was presented on August 17th was a forested wetland.

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not an intermittent water course, and that includes the boundary that was shown on the map.

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If the applicant wants to dispute that, I would recommend that they withdraw and re-apply,

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but moving forward with what we have in front of us, we're going to go under the assumption

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that the wetland that was presented to you, which you made a determination on, is the one

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that we're discussing.

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And I have some photos as well that I took, and I have had the discussion with the wetland

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scientists, and today he said on the phone that there were

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aluvial soils that came out of the detention basin, which

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are wetland soils.

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So I'm going to share some photos that I took on site.

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So you get an idea of a little broader picture of what's

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out there.

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So I will share, I'm going to tell you.

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So this is, this is the rear of the 95, I believe, or address 95, 95, rock

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range, the one that's furthest towards the end of the cul-de-sac.

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So this is the,

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Bottom of that slope to the left, the wetland is within the forced and area. And prior to that is, this is, we're looking, we're standing in the open review area, basically,

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hoping that. Okay. Good. This is some erosion that is occurring at the bottom of that slope, you know, due to natural forces. It's, it's a fairly steep slope.

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The vegetation there is mostly herbaceous, with a little bit of shrub in there, so there's not a lot of stability with root mass, because it's fairly recent vegetation, and it's pretty rocky.

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So it won't support a lot of larger vegetation.

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This is the same area, with some more erosion.

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This is looking back to where I was standing in the previous photo, so that's the same area.

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And this is at the base, so just inside the forested area, there's another drop, and it's mostly

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boulders, and it looks like there was a constructed wall, it doesn't look very natural.

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This is a little further down slope in the wetland.

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So this is looking into the wetland area, you can see there's vegetation,

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on the left side, but not in the middle, which indicates some unstable soils, because

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the vegetation has an established itself.

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Again, this is that same edge. I'm trying to think.

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So this photo here is looking across the wetland. The slope at the top part of the photo

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goes into the up-and-review area and you can sort of see the daylight where the rock bridge road is and another similar photo there and that's it for the for the wetlands.

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All right.

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They probably run the images sort of in the middle of that stream where you saw the stacked rocks.

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Yeah, which lot were those off of?

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You know, this is the rear of, well, this is a little further back. So this is, uh,

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got a lot. Is it 19 and I'm trying to remember the numbers now? Right left in middle. Yes, the,

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this one is between the left and the middle. Okay. So this would be, but it's a little further out.

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I mean, it's still, it's still in the upland review area, but it's further away from the lots themselves.

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If that makes sense.

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I got it.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Any more questions on the photos?

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I'll get into my memo.

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All right.

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So I will, hopefully you all had an opportunity to review the memo.

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I put in here some points for consideration before we get into the determination or the

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determination requirements or the decision requirements.

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So, the subject wetland located at the north end of 95 rock ridge is the headwater for a larger

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system that feeds into the Burnt Mountain Brook through the case mountain recreation area

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and adjacent neighborhoods.

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There's currently a steep slope, as I mentioned, leading down to the wetlands from the subject

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parcels.

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The plan, as presented, is essentially to mimic that slope but shift it closer to the wetland.

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The proposed fill to create the new slope will require approximately 2,000 cubic yards of material.

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And the proposed fill slope will have approximately 1.33 to 1 ratio with a run of 60 feet in a rise of approximately 45 feet.

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The Section 8.1 of the regulation states that the agency may require as a condition of the permit,

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the filing of a bond was such a shurdy in a form to approve by the agency.

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Items that may be bonded include erosion control, stabilization, and or mitigation activities.

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As the applicant mentioned, the proposed, what's on the plans for the erosion

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matting does not meet Manchester's public improvement standards.

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What's on the plans is a type of matting that is comprised of nylon and polyester

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and the public improvement standards requires coconut, because it's biodegradable and

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it will persist.

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And at the time of the writing of the memo, the applicant had not provided any of

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additional required elements for public hearing.

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So then I will go into those requirements.

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And this was already touched on by the agency, but I'll review them anyway.

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So it's required within our regulations and state statute is the description of the ecological communities and the functions and values of the wetlands and the effects of the proposed activities on those communities and wetland functions.

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So functions and values are, they have defined wording, which wasn't presented, there are 13 different functions and values as defined by the Army Corps of Engineer, and those should be presented in a way that matches the appropriate language from Army Corps.

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There should be a description of the prudent and feasible alternatives considered, which would cause less or no environmental impact to the welllands.

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There should be an analysis of the chemical and physical characteristics of any film material.

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And I'm going to go back to that one in a second.

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And there should be a soil sample.

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Soil sample data.

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Only if the areas believe to contain poorly drained alluvial and or floodplain soils.

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And as I mentioned, in my conversation with the soil scientists today, he said that there

430
00:51:15,490 --> 00:51:19,110
was a loovial soils at the outlet from the tension basin.

431
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:26,890
And I didn't do soil investigations to see if there was poorly trained or very poorly trained,

432
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:31,090
because we're using what the applicant is presenting to us at this point.

433
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:34,970
And I'm going to go back to the analysis of the chemical physical characteristics.

434
00:51:35,850 --> 00:51:37,590
There's two points I want to make.

435
00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:46,130
One is the, there's a concern from the town of Manchester's health department, regarding the chemical characteristics of the film material.

436
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:54,450
Because there are private wells in the area, and there may be a high ground water in the wetland area, which you have jurisdiction over.

437
00:51:55,030 --> 00:52:02,530
There should be an assurance that the chemical composition of the film material is inert, and will not have a detrimental impact on these resources.

438
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:08,650
And the other point is, the applicant indicated that the film material to be used within

439
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:15,130
the oplaner view area will consist of a mixture of crushed rock and fine and coarse mineral

440
00:52:15,130 --> 00:52:15,630
soils.

441
00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:21,770
The applicant has not provided the chemical characteristics of either the crushed rock or the

442
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:22,470
mineral soils.

443
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:24,670
And that's all I have.

444
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:51,370
So, I'm going to ask, because as part of our packet, our memo packet, as part of that work from

445
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:54,830
Manchester Health Department, they were talking about

446
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,060
possible downstream items from when

447
00:52:59,060 --> 00:53:03,820
you're crushing the rocks in the composition of the rocks. And that part, I did not understand

448
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:10,380
of having, so when it gets cracks, exposes,

449
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,820
and the word that came to my head was acid,

450
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,960
but that's not quite right.

451
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,500
Can either of you go into that a little bit further?

452
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,580
I think you guys know where I'm going on.

453
00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:31,500
So, it's helped to part and gave us a deep report, which is in the packet from not a report

454
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:38,620
of paper from, I think it was 2019, 2019, 2019, which is what I'm referring to, which is

455
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:42,860
a guide point for deep in how they address items like this.

456
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,000
So as we are in public hearing, I would love to have somebody speak to it so it is entered

457
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,920
into record and that we have some background on it that we can work with.

458
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:55,180
I'll talk to you.

459
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,800
I'll talk a little bit and I'm going to keep it to wetlands for now.

460
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:10,020
So, the concern is the chemical composition of the rock, and as the rock is crushed and exposed to weathering,

461
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:17,940
the concern is whatever chemicals may be comprised within those rocks may be mobilized.

462
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:33,420
The, as it has the potential to impact the wetlands, which you have jurisdiction over, is the concern of the alteration of the chemical composition of the wetlands soils and the groundwater within the wetlands.

463
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:42,440
So if there's an assurance from the applicant that those rocks are inert, then there's less of a concern.

464
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,020
But we don't know that because we don't have that assurance.

465
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:49,940
So it may be that there's no impact.

466
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,540
Once the rain starts flowing through the crust rocks and the new soil that's being brought in,

467
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,260
that may have no impact at all.

468
00:54:59,220 --> 00:55:05,440
That's why state statute requires a chemical description of the film material.

469
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,420
I'm not going to speak on the wells right now.

470
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:14,620
Now, I think that's more relevant.

471
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:15,440
Next application.

472
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,300
So they have the other application, right?

473
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:27,720
And I see you're looking at me for a further explanation on this, which I don't

474
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:34,680
know that I'm necessarily the best person to do, however, what I understand from this report

475
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:41,860
and if there is any request for any further information or more than happy to have somebody

476
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:51,380
from the health department attend next meeting to explain this further, there is this concern

477
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:58,460
about, again, chemical composition of Iraq, and therefore, the recommendation from the

478
00:55:58,460 --> 00:56:07,380
health department was to require certain testing to be done of underlying geological

479
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:15,300
how bad rock, and that would have to do with again, what is that bad rock made off, because

480
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:24,950
certain type of rock has ability when exposed to processing, when exposed to weather,

481
00:56:25,450 --> 00:56:35,530
rain, when exposed to things like that, when crushed and opened, it potentially can result in

482
00:56:35,530 --> 00:56:41,330
leaking of some sort of chemical materials, iron,

483
00:56:41,330 --> 00:56:47,530
high iron, sulfate, arsenic, uranium, radon,

484
00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:52,170
like there is a list here of things that should be checked,

485
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:58,290
that could end up essentially leaching into the underlying soil

486
00:56:58,290 --> 00:57:01,550
and effectively be transported perhaps into wells.

487
00:57:01,550 --> 00:57:25,530
So before, and this is related to the next application coming up, before those kind of activities are undertaken, there is some discussion about whether or not it would be proven to get a request of a applicant who does request the search dust and be done.

488
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:30,790
Okay, yeah, so it generally lines up with what I would.

489
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:54,190
The second aspect of that has to do with the static pressure or static pressure in the water or something along those lines, which also can be disturbed by these kind of activities, which then can result in well yields and well contamination.

490
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:55,310
Yeah, that's another.

491
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:57,230
That part of the research is to it.

492
00:57:57,610 --> 00:58:00,330
Because water does not compress, it just adds pressure

493
00:58:00,330 --> 00:58:02,010
to everything around it.

494
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:08,590
So part of that is why I was asking about what the water flow

495
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:12,910
and absorption ability of the current situation is versus

496
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:16,990
the 2,000 cubic yards of fill, which

497
00:58:16,990 --> 00:58:20,110
is going to be that crushed rock and something else.

498
00:58:20,110 --> 00:58:26,830
So, if that crush rock and something else was going to allow water to go into it and still

499
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:30,350
seep down into sort of follow that surface process,

500
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:35,850
that's my concern and that if there

501
00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:46,730
is anything in that film, if that has anything that will move that pH level, it does a very

502
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:55,770
large amount of damage to upland review, wetland area when it reaches that space.

503
00:58:57,350 --> 00:59:01,830
And I know that a lot of that conversation about how that fill is going to look

504
00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:08,670
in the after-the-rockets process on the other lot is technically in the other application,

505
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:11,670
but it's going to end up here based on the plan.

506
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:12,750
So,

507
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:24,150
part of me is that set is on the prudent and feasible for Mr. Nathas.

508
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:31,110
So, if let's do a hypothetical real quick, if you didn't have this pile of rock across

509
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:34,730
the street, what would be the option for these three lots?

510
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:40,010
As, you know, I'm doing a prudent and feasible exercise and thought here.

511
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:46,870
So, if you didn't have that fill, what would that process look like for these three lots and building these three final buildings?

512
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:50,150
Let me...

513
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:59,970
Okay, so if we have that...

514
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,360
We probably have to re-emoke at moving the houses up closer to the road and then you fill in it and making

515
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:18,540
a small backyard behind where we have a walkout and just do the best they can with the slope that's there.

516
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:26,000
You can see it like certain areas like up here, this section right here is very, very steep.

517
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:42,560
So, it's kind of like a little kind of safety hazard, but you know, people would have to know you have to put a fence across the top of this slope and just believe it's the way it was in work and work around what we got.

518
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:54,020
Because obviously I would think the town would want to have some big stuff bringing in truckloads and truckloads and truckloads that fell on this because I'm sure they wouldn't beat you.

519
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:56,040
And they wouldn't even know we would need to have you with that.

520
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:06,220
No, okay, so that would be a whether it's prudent or effect cost effective, but that would be a feasible alternative.

521
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,120
Yes.

522
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:20,620
Just also so I can get an image of how much fill we're talking about.

523
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:22,740
That 2,000 cubic yards,

524
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:28,360
how much is that?

525
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,740
So if I had a football field, how deep would this be?

526
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:38,920
Give me a second here and I'll.

527
01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:56,150
I didn't know you're going to do maths night, did you?

528
01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:08,930
If it was a...

529
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:10,770
If it was a... if it was a piece, if it was a football field,

530
01:02:12,110 --> 01:02:16,880
it would be about a foot or so deep.

531
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:23,820
The football field is basically 5,000 square square feet.

532
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:24,640
Yep.

533
01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:25,340
Okay.

534
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:28,680
So 50, 100, 5000.

535
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:30,500
Okay.

536
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:31,960
Thank you for that.

537
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:39,760
It really helps in putting images and scale to what we're talking about.

538
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,620
Anything else from commission?

539
01:02:41,780 --> 01:02:43,480
Anything from anybody online?

540
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:45,280
Ms. Larson?

541
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:46,820
Ms. Brewer?

542
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,980
Ms. Hassan?

543
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:53,120
Not at the moment?

544
01:02:57,460 --> 01:02:57,560
Okay.

545
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,620
I'm all sorry now.

546
01:03:01,890 --> 01:03:03,150
Ms. Fembers, don't I?

547
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:04,270
I'm fine.

548
01:03:04,830 --> 01:03:04,970
Yeah.

549
01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:05,590
I'm good.

550
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:12,690
Okay, so this is public hearing.

551
01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:20,630
if they're, unless you guys do, are you guys all set, you guys, I'm pointing over it

552
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:24,290
town staff to see if there's any other technical items to bring in before I do.

553
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:25,890
Yeah, I, I have one more.

554
01:03:25,890 --> 01:03:29,690
This photography, if you want to set up, while he's presenting, you're more than happy.

555
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:34,710
Yeah, I have one more comment. This is related to the erosion sedimentation control

556
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:40,290
treatment on the slope. So the, you know, as we talked about the, the

557
01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:43,430
adding, after getting said that they would be willing to change

558
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:48,530
them adding out the plans show what's called

559
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:50,270
reinforced silk fence, which is silk fence

560
01:03:50,270 --> 01:03:52,250
with haters at the bottom of the slope.

561
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:57,630
When we see steep slopes like this, there's also a

562
01:03:57,630 --> 01:03:59,390
recommendation that a row of silk fence

563
01:03:59,390 --> 01:04:02,310
to be placed at the top of the slope because what ends up

564
01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:05,210
happening, you might have a matted slope.

565
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:10,170
But if a real erosion channel is formed, it can go

566
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:14,790
under the matting and just wipe it all out and just bypass the entire matting.

567
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:21,410
So it's a recommendation that some controls be placed at the top of the slope as well,

568
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:24,070
to prevent the undermining of the matting.

569
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:30,440
And we should also point out that the plans do show anti tracking pads,

570
01:04:31,090 --> 01:04:36,170
entering the site, so that would be temporary controls that should be,

571
01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:43,350
at least identified, and there's silk fences, there's stockpiles near the road with a

572
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:47,770
silk fence wrapped around it, so that's that's shown as well.

573
01:04:50,250 --> 01:04:51,130
And that's all I have.

574
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:15,840
Yes, this is a public hearing. There are anybody from the public who would like to provide

575
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:23,840
testimonies tonight. So if you could, make sure your green light is on, and then

576
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:27,320
State your name and your address and your testimony.

577
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,340
Thank you.

578
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,140
Bonnie Pataki, 161 McKee Street.

579
01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:36,360
I have seen these preliminary plans being a member

580
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,820
of the Conservation Commission,

581
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,020
and I apologize it wasn't here earlier,

582
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:43,880
but I was concerned that that time

583
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,060
about the steepness of the slope and also the

584
01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:51,600
typo-service geology present is going to make it very

585
01:05:51,600 --> 01:06:00,700
to stabilize, and it seems like your staff has noted that and also, as you also had mentioned

586
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:12,160
about pulverizing rock, and the possibility of maybe introduction of acid sulfates, which really

587
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:18,940
makes it very difficult for plant eggs. So I would really continue on that recommendation

588
01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:26,860
to get some sort of analysis, soils, geological analysis of any rock that might be pulverized

589
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:34,020
abroad on to site, and the present existing condition, plantings, native planting will be

590
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:41,300
difficult, so you really need something that's going to take foothold a shrub kind of thing

591
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:44,420
to prevent rather than erosion control mats.

592
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:55,480
I'm in favor of moving the house closer to the street, so there was talk and I don't know if this was presented by the applicant of a rather retaining wall.

593
01:06:55,900 --> 01:07:04,220
And if that still going is proposed, because also a drainage behind the retaining wall, where is the drainage going to go.

594
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:10,900
Are you going to be creating a channelized area where water is going to go down slope?

595
01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:19,120
So those were the concerns at the time, I understood this is a challenging, when lots of left

596
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,800
like this, these lots are challenging, and that's why they're left, because they weren't

597
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,000
basically developed early on, because they offered challenges.

598
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,980
So from a perspective.

599
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:49,600
That I think that it would be suggested that you acquire as conditions, since this was to move forward, and give it a permit, that you would require to monitor plantings, making sure you are native soil and appropriate plantings, because it is going to be challenging.

600
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:55,340
and this is up slope from the case matter or recreation area.

601
01:07:56,340 --> 01:07:57,900
So those are those my thoughts.

602
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:02,600
And I understand this is a difficult site

603
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,560
and understand a single family home is desirable,

604
01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:11,360
but I would really definitely am going to reiterate

605
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,340
that I think it should be closer to the street

606
01:08:13,340 --> 01:08:17,360
and away from the steep slope because of the less concerns

607
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,480
and environmental risks. Thank you.

608
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,700
So, anybody else from the public present that would like to speak?

609
01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:43,500
This is part of, I know we had a number of comments via email to staff.

610
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,320
Were any of those for the inland wetlands or were those all for the second time?

611
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,180
So, we received the total of four emails.

612
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,180
Obviously, the total of four emails they are from.

613
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,240
My glasses, I'll tell you from home.

614
01:09:04,990 --> 01:09:08,710
Okay, so there are from Chris.

615
01:09:16,770 --> 01:09:18,610
The first one is from George.

616
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:22,510
I think we received two emails from George Shaw.

617
01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:28,430
We received one email from

618
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,220
John and Alyssa Dunn.

619
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:41,260
And one email came from John and Bethany Stinkan.

620
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:42,460
We're Stinkan.

621
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,100
I'm not sure how to pronounce the last name correctly.

622
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,400
They were not identifying which application this was submitted.

623
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:57,260
Whether it was for the inland weapons or the excavation permit,

624
01:09:57,740 --> 01:09:59,300
which is the next hearing over.

625
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:06,660
So, I included them as a public hearing testimony on both applications, because they ultimately

626
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:14,820
reference the development that is this development that we are talking about.

627
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:19,380
Those were sent in an email to the commission,

628
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:22,440
I believe on Friday.

629
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:23,220
And

630
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:42,760
so those have been mentioned and officially put into the record for us, anybody have anything else to follow up on?

631
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,440
Is there anybody on mine who's waiting to speak to this application?

632
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:10,000
You know, to me, I think that this process raised a lot of very, very valid questions,

633
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,160
Which,

634
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:22,120
in my mind, we might want to be able to have an answer to most of those before we do it

635
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,720
before we push forward too far on this one.

636
01:11:30,220 --> 01:11:30,740
Mr. Kennedy.

637
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:32,000
Mr. Kennedy.

638
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:33,260
I'm sorry.

639
01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:34,040
I didn't see that.

640
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:34,640
I didn't know.

641
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:35,540
I'm sorry.

642
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:36,680
It's a Mr. Professor.

643
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,220
Because I know where Mr. Kennedy is going.

644
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:39,540
Yeah.

645
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:40,480
Oh, no.

646
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:46,340
I think we all have concerns about enough information.

647
01:11:46,340 --> 01:11:59,200
So I think I would summarize by saying it seems like the applicant discussed another option about moving the house is closer to the road in response to a question from you

648
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:08,320
So it's just seem like there's an alternative that maybe they haven't discussed with us enough about whether that's prudent feasible

649
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:22,160
And if this could just be avoided by having smaller lots, but houses closest to the road and that would avoid conflict with the wetlands, so I think it would be good to have the applicant provide more testimony about that.

650
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:37,720
I don't think we can really close this public hearing tonight, though, because I feel like we have concerns about the chemical characteristics of the film materials, specifically about a crush rock and mineral extraction that may happen because of that that could change pH levels.

651
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:45,580
So, I think it could be hard for us to move along with our statutory duty unless we get that information in writing.

652
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:53,560
That's my opinion on all the rest of the commission things, but I think those are two items that we probably need to hold open for.

653
01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:56,340
Yep. Okay. Mr. Kennedy.

654
01:12:56,340 --> 01:13:04,860
Let me just inquire the applicant that you have heard some of the comments and questions

655
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:13,640
by commission and staff, would you like us to continue the public hearing so you can

656
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,800
see might be able to address some of this?

657
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,040
You want to speak to the applicant now?

658
01:13:22,780 --> 01:13:26,520
Yeah, I'm inquiring to the applicant, you know, would you like an opportunity?

659
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:32,300
Yes, so Gary Fayman, a member of theater age development, the applicant.

660
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:45,800
Yes, I would like to continue the hearing, I mean, continue to another meeting so that

661
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:53,520
we can address some of the concerns of the commission, which specifically is analyzing the

662
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:03,760
the situation of whether the house is or how the ability to move forward or whether that would

663
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,100
create a driveway, it's too steep down into the house.

664
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:16,880
This is the kind of thing that will be looked at between the time frame of now till the next

665
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,860
I mean, if that we are, we table until I would be in favor of that.

666
01:14:25,010 --> 01:14:25,610
I'm going to.

667
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:32,380
I motion from the Security of Second from Mr.

668
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,500
Process to I got to get it right before I read the wrong one.

669
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:40,480
The continued to continue the current public hearing,

670
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:48,180
which is in the Inland Wetlands Permit 35 2026 to October 5.

671
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:54,290
You know, I do a quick discussion because I want to make sure I

672
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:59,970
we review the handful of points that we want to make sure that...

673
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,260
Applicant and Townstaff are clear on what we're looking for coming back. And I'm wanting to also

674
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:12,440
make sure commission is on the same page. So if nobody else has comments, I'll read through

675
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:22,840
my list of items that I know that I took note of. Okay. So I had on my items of note was,

676
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,880
as the applicant had just stated,

677
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:33,640
the testing of the fill and the rocks for the chemical

678
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:40,220
composition of the fill and the rocks, so we know what was going in, we're looking at some

679
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:45,720
more fleshed out information on the prudent feasible alternatives, including but not limited

680
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,460
two relocation of the house on the houses, on the targeted lots.

681
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:59,400
And as Mr. Liu but stated, a little more fleshing out of the description of the logical

682
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,760
communities, the function and values of wetlands according to those.

683
01:16:04,540 --> 01:16:12,020
We don't often let our world coinc overlapped with the Army Corps of Engineers, but they have

684
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:16,560
some really nice definitions in terms to work with the 13 that were referenced.

685
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,540
And then the soil samples from that aluvio soil on the outflow, which goes into the property

686
01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:23,600
at lock 20.

687
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:33,560
And those of the 1, 2, 3, 4 items that I had taken note of, were there any other items that

688
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,180
commission had in their head that they wanted to make sure we had information on?

689
01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:55,040
Mr. Chair, if I can, if I can just clarify for the applicant, when you say testing of the fill and the rocks, are you suggesting or are you requesting that the applicant does the testing as per deep guidance?

690
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:03,720
Those items 1 through 7 or are you simply asking that they test the soil like they normally would?

691
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:12,840
I would personally be looking at those deep guidance because I know the I've hate to say

692
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:19,800
but I've actually done some of this before I threw a lot of water at things and blew it up as part

693
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:26,680
of a job and that opened up a lot of random things that you didn't know we're always in there.

694
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:33,960
So, and given the history and the workups of this, I don't want to put something on there

695
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:42,580
that could expose and then allow without filtering a different pH going into the into

696
01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:43,020
a wetland.

697
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:51,420
So, yes, I would like the short answer is, yes, deep, deep connection values, there we go.

698
01:17:55,450 --> 01:18:03,170
and I'm assuming you'll help relay all of this over to Applegant and ensure that they are on the same page.

699
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:09,030
We will. Mr. Chairville, we'll put your comments in writing and send it to them. Thank you.

700
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:10,970
Okay. Anything else from anybody?

701
01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:12,510
On the commission.

702
01:18:13,070 --> 01:18:14,710
Or go through the commission first.

703
01:18:16,050 --> 01:18:17,770
I was going to call it pretty quick.

704
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:20,090
So because nobody's saying too much right now.

705
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:20,990
So the other.

706
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:21,630
The other.

707
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:28,450
But that's another question. The other two points of discussion and it's up to you if you want to put it in there was the

708
01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:35,450
adherence to public improvement standards for the erosion control mapping to make that formal not just verbal

709
01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:41,730
And then there was the recommendation for putting more controls at the top of the slope

710
01:18:45,190 --> 01:18:49,910
Okay, so you're yes, I did forget about those. I am so sorry

711
01:18:51,230 --> 01:18:54,870
So what you have mentioned is the public improvements

712
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:57,710
and it's to change the mapping to put that into the plan

713
01:18:57,710 --> 01:18:59,770
as a written piece of the plan,

714
01:19:00,230 --> 01:19:04,150
as well as to add into the plan for the INS,

715
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:09,130
the INS controls at the top end of the slope

716
01:19:09,130 --> 01:19:10,870
for where that fill is going to go in

717
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:13,810
in order to control water going into that space.

718
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:16,690
So we're at six items at this point though.

719
01:19:16,690 --> 01:19:17,190
Okay,

720
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,000
not seeing any other hands or anything else.

721
01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:27,310
Okay, so we have a motion on the table with a second.

722
01:19:28,860 --> 01:19:29,540
I need this.

723
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,980
Okay, all those in favor of

724
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:36,580
where did I go?

725
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:42,270
Continuing, current application, public hearing of inland

726
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:47,650
wetlands permit 352026 until October 5, all those in favor.

727
01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:49,450
Hi. Hi.

728
01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:51,230
Any nays?

729
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:58,230
Any of stains, chairs, and eyes, and the animus eight to go.

730
01:19:59,350 --> 01:20:00,010
Thank you.

731
01:20:03,250 --> 01:20:07,010
Second public hearing also is for seat or rich development

732
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,450
for the excavation permit.

733
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:10,470
This is for the activities across the street.

734
01:20:10,930 --> 01:20:13,410
Exervation permit to dash 2026.

735
01:20:14,170 --> 01:20:18,350
Mr. Kennedy, could you do the honors of the legal notice please?

736
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:27,710
For sooner or later development, I will see excavation permit 2-2026, excavation permit for processing

737
01:20:27,710 --> 01:20:29,770
lock through a portable rock structure.

738
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:36,830
Did he located at 106 rock bridge, rural residence, plus 2-zone, rock is currently stored

739
01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:44,010
at 90 and 106 rock bridge, rural residence, plus 2-zone, and after crushing will be used

740
01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:47,390
Bill 75, 85, and 95 of rock rich.

741
01:20:51,210 --> 01:20:59,630
Okay, so, I'll get this going in a second, but because it is a separate public hearing,

742
01:21:00,930 --> 01:21:04,630
if there's anything that was presented as part of the inland wetlands public hearing, you'll

743
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:08,830
have to do it again here that if you want to make it part of the record for this hearing.

744
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:12,810
So Mr. Nefis, are you presenting this one as well?

745
01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:16,110
or yes, I am.

746
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:16,570
Okay.

747
01:21:18,370 --> 01:21:22,170
All right, so if you get, again, introduce and present the application,

748
01:21:22,450 --> 01:21:23,330
I would be appreciate it.

749
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:23,710
Thank you very much.

750
01:21:24,990 --> 01:21:27,190
May this license put a fish on the air,

751
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:30,450
and we serve air, representing GF construction.

752
01:21:32,970 --> 01:21:35,750
What Mr. Fameon is looking to do

753
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:40,470
is to install a rock crusher at this part of right here,

754
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:45,210
which is on between lots of 11 and 12.

755
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:50,150
He currently has some piles of locks in this area.

756
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:56,790
And he would like to use a hammer to break it down and then crush it.

757
01:21:57,170 --> 01:22:01,090
And then to bring it across the street to use to fill the slopes across the street.

758
01:22:01,090 --> 01:22:12,210
Um, when it before goes across the street, it'll get mixed with other soils and some finds, so when we, when he puts it down, it can pass it, it'll make a stable slope.

759
01:22:13,530 --> 01:22:20,990
Uh, he looked at some alternatives, uh, which was to take the rocks off site.

760
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:25,930
That didn't cross the right back, but that didn't see it.

761
01:22:26,990 --> 01:22:29,970
because of the bank and the knowledge folks that will be weak.

762
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:37,080
Point in and out, we think that being loved as a service sense, to just crush it and move it right across the street and go from there.

763
01:22:39,700 --> 01:22:48,700
At that point, this is a 300 foot radius. There's one house that's affected by that right now.

764
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:57,260
The other way, everybody else is outside of it. And so at this point, that's pretty much it.

765
01:22:57,260 --> 01:23:05,220
Let me see, let's use a soil to stabilize the slope that is on site, doesn't want to have to take it off site and bring it back.

766
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,080
It's basically what it's looking to do.

767
01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:23,750
Okay, any details on the scope of operation or time or days of the week that you want to enter into testimony?

768
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:31,750
I would like to ask Mr. Fayman to address that because she's going to have to be out there every day doing

769
01:23:35,020 --> 01:23:36,100
it.

770
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:41,460
Yes, so Gary Samin did a read the development member,

771
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:46,680
we have noted on the plan, hours

772
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:58,960
of operation, and the window of when we would complete the process by, so I have spoken

773
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:04,900
with the town planner, you know, within the last, last day today.

774
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:15,680
And we originally had June, the complete, all crushing activities and filling by June

775
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:18,460
of next year.

776
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:24,600
And, you know, depending on when we actually get started, you know, I mean, we were trying

777
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:31,320
to get out of the gate, we had an approval in September,

778
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,720
so July, so now we're in September,

779
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:43,260
maybe possibly it would be coming from the commission again in October, so we're getting

780
01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:51,560
close to the winter time, so I mean, I feel that a one year, you know, by the end of the next

781
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:59,580
And it will be 100% done, which would be pretty much October 30th.

782
01:24:59,660 --> 01:25:10,740
So right before the cold in November, we would have all the entire process completed by then.

783
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:21,540
And at the same time, we would be willing to bond for any erosion control measures that

784
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:33,440
But the commission or the town fields is necessary and, you know, to ensure that the project is completed by that date.

785
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:45,780
But we feel that we can get done whether the houses get sold or built either way, you know, we'll stack them if we have to.

786
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:55,360
And, you know, get the ground, work done, crush the material, move the film material, put it in place.

787
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:09,380
If the foundation's in and then it's, you know, you'd be looking at just standard construction of, you know, wood framing and taxing for, for the three lots where the still is happening.

788
01:26:09,380 --> 01:26:17,700
The other two of us across the street, where the rocks are presently being stored, which

789
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:29,640
is what 11 and 12, currently as it stands right now, we have a building permit on what you

790
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:44,200
and we are scheduled to proceed on that now, and because the house is sold, so we're ready to put that.

791
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:53,020
We're prepping the put that foundation in and build a house on a lot of love and that is presently sold.

792
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:53,960
So,

793
01:26:56,620 --> 01:27:00,000
you know, that would leave less into the project.

794
01:27:00,860 --> 01:27:11,620
Lot 12, 18, 19, and 20, which is a subject matter of this application, and then the only

795
01:27:11,620 --> 01:27:18,740
other lot that would be left would be a lot of nine, which we've already done, brought

796
01:27:18,740 --> 01:27:19,940
that site to grade.

797
01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:23,080
So it's just pretty simple construction

798
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:27,100
digging the hole and putting the foundation in.

799
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:30,520
And at the moment, we do have an interested party

800
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:37,900
that I'm that lot nine that is proceeding with plans

801
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:42,200
that they have dropped it up and are ready

802
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,380
to go into contract and seek and seek a building permit.

803
01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:48,320
I got a lot, I got a lot nine.

804
01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:56,100
Okay, a little bit.

805
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:02,220
I'm gonna run through just a couple of processing items.

806
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,380
So, so you guys brought up the 300 foot line.

807
01:28:06,620 --> 01:28:08,380
So there is definitely a house right next door.

808
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,020
What's going up, what's going to be in there

809
01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:13,260
as a buffer or some form of mitigation

810
01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:16,780
for the noise for that immediate neighbor?

811
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:20,460
That's in that vicinity.

812
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:37,690
Okay, yeah, we were asking the contractor the site contractor, it's part of his, of the contract for him to provide, you know,

813
01:28:37,690 --> 01:28:46,090
down the mitigation technique for during the crushing process.

814
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:59,610
And from what I'm hearing from the crusher is that the crusher does not really give

815
01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:01,190
that much noise.

816
01:29:01,850 --> 01:29:06,430
There's more hammering noise from hammering than there is from crushing.

817
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:07,670
So,

818
01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:22,750
I mean, that's what I'm hearing after speaking with the suppliers of the crushing machine that will be rented on site portable crusher.

819
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:34,010
And the contractor will also be responsible to provide dust mitigation, you know, brew off.

820
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:49,760
Whatever message that are appropriate which would be, you know, pretty much simply putting a water in a spring water into the crusher as it's crushing.

821
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:59,920
And that's also responsible to do that, also crushing dust control and solid mitigation.

822
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:16,610
And if anything should develop during the process, you know, all the time to do a door by us and, you know, will work out whatever needs to be done to satisfy the town.

823
01:30:19,870 --> 01:30:26,730
Okay, so I heard one item for what, you know, the procedure would be for, for dust mitigation, which makes sense.

824
01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:36,530
We've all seen the construction sites and the drop water on the area that's been excavated that makes sense.

825
01:30:37,170 --> 01:30:40,210
But I didn't hear anything about what that process would be for sound mitigation.

826
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:42,550
I just heard sound mitigation process.

827
01:30:43,210 --> 01:30:44,730
What is it?

828
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:49,090
And the same line before you answer that.

829
01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:51,550
I'm assuming hammering is the pneumatic,

830
01:30:51,550 --> 01:30:56,550
Jack Hammer, type thing, is that what you're talking about for Hammer?

831
01:30:58,090 --> 01:31:04,270
It's a hammer that is hot to an excavation machine.

832
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:06,290
Okay, it's a bigger one, though.

833
01:31:06,690 --> 01:31:06,870
Yeah.

834
01:31:07,930 --> 01:31:12,410
So yeah, you know, there's very size hammers,

835
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:17,390
bigger the machine, the bigger the hammer that can fit on the machine.

836
01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:27,290
know, typically small machines have smaller hammers and, you know, like a 90,000 pound excavator

837
01:31:27,290 --> 01:31:34,690
which is huge, and I could take up to a seven-ton hammer, so I mean, you know, a couple

838
01:31:34,690 --> 01:31:38,590
of pops and it's breaking big boulders, so,

839
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:47,420
you know, it's kind of like in terms of

840
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:57,840
mitigation, we're going to investigate that also during the time period between now and the next meeting.

841
01:31:58,460 --> 01:32:01,880
Okay. Yeah, definitely want to have something there.

842
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:04,990
In

843
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,880
my, in our packet, there's a commentary

844
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:20,280
of hours of operation of 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. Weekdays only. You feel that that's appropriate

845
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:28,640
that in the scope of work that you're going to be looking at and the dealing with the neighbors

846
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:29,140
in the neighborhood?

847
01:32:32,030 --> 01:32:42,010
Well, I mean, I feel that it's not necessary to go into the weekend and, you know, those

848
01:32:42,010 --> 01:32:50,810
have to start at seven. I mean, I guess it could be a, if it had to be, you know,

849
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:57,290
four or five o'clock. I mean, I mean, the crushing activity could go very fast.

850
01:32:59,470 --> 01:32:59,470
So,

851
01:32:59,590 --> 01:33:06,270
I mean, I, you know, once we're, we're all set up in the rock hammers, and we're ready

852
01:33:06,270 --> 01:33:11,010
to feed the rock into the crusher, the crusher is born on its site.

853
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:20,630
We're talking about bringing a 2K size rock to put into the crusher.

854
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:29,030
So it feeds very quickly and it puts out material out of a conveyor belt very quickly, also.

855
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:36,470
So, I mean, typically, you know, the length of time of actual crushing with the portable

856
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:37,050
crusher,

857
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:44,750
I don't see it being more than two months, a couple of months with the crusher.

858
01:33:46,190 --> 01:33:56,330
And I did, so, I mean, we would be establishing a seasonal limit of next year, you know,

859
01:33:56,330 --> 01:34:05,890
end of October, just to make sure that it's done by then. But I mean quite frankly, once

860
01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:18,010
we start, we're going to be quickly getting to making progress and the crushers not

861
01:34:18,010 --> 01:34:24,030
cheap to rent. So we're not going to let it sit around like there's going to work and then

862
01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:26,690
going to leave after it's done, it's job.

863
01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:34,240
I guess that I've got a list. So bear with me.

864
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:40,220
The trucks are those going to stay on site at night or those going to come in in the morning

865
01:34:42,010 --> 01:34:43,810
and then leave at night.

866
01:34:45,540 --> 01:34:46,320
Where is your truck?

867
01:34:46,900 --> 01:34:52,320
Yeah, so you said there are going to be trucks or is that going to be smaller machines?

868
01:34:53,540 --> 01:35:02,680
front loaders pulling the process rotter across the street for the fill if you get to that point.

869
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:03,240
Okay.

870
01:35:03,500 --> 01:35:04,720
Are you talking about the transport?

871
01:35:04,860 --> 01:35:05,120
Yes.

872
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:10,020
The transport is, you know, the most, you know, there's going to be two trucks probably.

873
01:35:10,460 --> 01:35:18,860
Two 18 wheel trucks, standard trucks that as a material comes off the conveyor belt, it would generate a pile.

874
01:35:18,860 --> 01:35:26,100
And then that pile would be loaded by an excavator into the trucks.

875
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,960
They would drive it down into the area that will be filling, and at that point it would

876
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:33,600
be spread and compacted.

877
01:35:33,940 --> 01:35:38,320
So it would be at the same time that we're crushing was filling.

878
01:35:39,540 --> 01:35:39,920
Final opinion.

879
01:35:42,860 --> 01:35:43,040
Okay.

880
01:35:43,340 --> 01:35:48,600
And also as part of this, when you had that crush, it was stated that that crush would

881
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:56,740
mixed with a smaller diameter fill soil. Is that soil from on site or is that going

882
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:58,040
to be brought on site?

883
01:35:58,260 --> 01:36:02,280
No, don't site. Yeah, when I bring material and that's on site.

884
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:11,820
So as you dig up rock that is on the site and the rock that was brought to from the site,

885
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,660
we didn't import any material.

886
01:36:14,440 --> 01:36:23,810
So, the material that is on 1112 currently, you know, has film material and with rock in it.

887
01:36:24,580 --> 01:36:31,600
You know, it's kind of like a margin, if it's part of it, you know, it's difficult to get the rock out of.

888
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,880
It's all different sides in the film.

889
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:38,980
So, that would also be said in the crusher at the same time.

890
01:36:38,980 --> 01:36:46,400
So it would be, you know, they would be schooling up from stockpiles, the fill, and the rock,

891
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:52,300
feeding into the crusher, and then it crushes the whole thing up and it comes out in a consistent

892
01:36:54,740 --> 01:37:03,080
mixture of, like a homogenous, you know, maybe three and a half to five inch maximum pieces of rock

893
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:14,660
with Phil and ground up stone, that would be a highly tight material that would be easy to spread

894
01:37:14,660 --> 01:37:29,240
and would be easy to compact and reach out, get compassion on whatever, rolling with a roller

895
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:29,980
or...

896
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:36,420
And compacting in certain areas or driving over compacts, also.

897
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:41,160
Last one, I promise.

898
01:37:43,660 --> 01:37:52,200
For the rocks you're crushing, is my understanding that these were sort of collected and accumulated over time during the building of the other properties.

899
01:37:52,920 --> 01:38:03,540
So is there the expectation of any like actual digging or is it just the rock is there and it's on the surface and it needs to get picked up?

900
01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:09,640
And at most sort of, because it's been there for a couple of years, just dislodged from the surface.

901
01:38:12,380 --> 01:38:13,160
Yeah, that's a good question.

902
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:21,260
So, it would be a combination of, you know, I mean, some of those lots there would be actual fill.

903
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:32,120
So, you know, I mean, we're raising the grade of the foundation in the driveway on some of those lots.

904
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:39,220
So once we have approved, obviously, a lot of 11 is, or the plot plan is already approved.

905
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:47,160
So we're working with a approved plot plan that we would be putting this site to grade

906
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,220
at the grade on the approved plot plan.

907
01:38:51,100 --> 01:39:00,440
As we once we, you know, French is on a lot of 11, we move, you know, the rock, the rock,

908
01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:08,440
and boulders off of 11, then we would have the foundation state out, and then we would

909
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:15,120
dig the foundation hole. You know, should we encounter any rock in the foundation hole,

910
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:24,120
and we would hammer that, and that would become part of our surplus, you know, of our material that's

911
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:37,840
get crushed. So in essence, there would be some material generated out of the foundation

912
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:48,820
digs, but there will be material that will be used to fill those lots and bring them

913
01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:59,740
that needs to be in order to, the previously approved grades actually from when the road was built,

914
01:40:00,300 --> 01:40:07,040
which was allow things such as footing drains to be installed,

915
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:13,120
and they function properly.

916
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:17,180
that we can't set a foundation to low

917
01:40:17,180 --> 01:40:20,020
and then not have a way to out the water.

918
01:40:20,780 --> 01:40:23,480
So that's why some of these foundations have to come up

919
01:40:23,480 --> 01:40:27,480
on a grade from the road in order to get the pitch

920
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:31,640
on the footing drains into the outlet structure

921
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,060
that it has to go to.

922
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:37,300
So it's all planned out.

923
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:44,600
We don't anticipate a lot of material coming

924
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:52,640
from anywhere else, but except for foundation digs under remaining lots, which, I mean,

925
01:40:52,800 --> 01:41:02,280
nine would have to get dark, and 11 would have to get dark, yup, and 12 is basically

926
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:07,580
a fill, so I want to tamer it where we're good.

927
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,920
I think that's my list for right now.

928
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:14,960
Any other questions from Commission?

929
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:20,800
That's a promise.

930
01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:22,140
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

931
01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:29,120
I remember when, you know, we were talking back in May, 2009 about blasting that was going on

932
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:35,260
during the Kup sum of road application. And there was lots of public comment there about damage

933
01:41:35,260 --> 01:41:41,880
to foundations from blasting that occurred with that site. Are you the, the, the rock crushing

934
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:49,520
that's going to be operating under this permit would be, would be crushing and not necessarily

935
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:55,040
blasting, would there be any potential blasting that we need to be done as part of this work, though?

936
01:41:56,180 --> 01:42:01,860
No, there wouldn't. There would not. That's the reason why we're hammering the rock instead of blasting,

937
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:10,140
bringing much, uh, to try to, uh, not to blast. Yeah, you talked about if there was

938
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:14,980
deep boulders in the foundations that you'd might need to extract them. Would you ever need to use blasting,

939
01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:17,480
to get those out?

940
01:42:17,740 --> 01:42:21,020
No, we would not need a blast, we can hammer them out.

941
01:42:21,660 --> 01:42:26,660
Are the vibrations that you'd be, I guess, impacting into the ground in this operation

942
01:42:26,660 --> 01:42:29,380
similar to the type of vibration that you'd see in blessing?

943
01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:38,950
Well, I'm not a seismographic expert, but from the people that I've talked to and you're

944
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:45,430
willing to get, I mean, get, they've made us a comment on that, you know, it's nowhere

945
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:55,010
near any vibration level that a blast would, would, would, would, would, yeah. I think

946
01:42:55,010 --> 01:43:00,370
I'll lean on your expertise because you've been working on these properties for 20 years now.

947
01:43:01,610 --> 01:43:08,870
So, but you, so your testimony is that this operation of crushing is much less intensive

948
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:14,590
than in producing off-site vibrations, then the last image?

949
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:37,870
I mean, my opinion would be that from the crusher there's no vibration damage as a result of the crusher which is on above ground.

950
01:43:37,870 --> 01:43:47,190
And as far as hammering, I mean, we've been hammering rocks at all a lot, and we haven't

951
01:43:47,190 --> 01:43:51,790
seen any problems relating to that.

952
01:43:52,690 --> 01:43:59,030
So we're thinking with that, it works as minimal disturbance, and I mean, maybe it doesn't

953
01:43:59,030 --> 01:44:09,490
noise, yes, it does. But as far as vibration, capable of damaging a foundation, my opinion

954
01:44:09,490 --> 01:44:10,470
is solved.

955
01:44:11,230 --> 01:44:15,190
All right. And I mean, I would like to have a big, maybe, thought, comment on that as

956
01:44:15,610 --> 01:44:15,930
possible.

957
01:44:17,190 --> 01:44:23,890
Yeah, if they make this, the difference between the last thing and tipping, the tipping

958
01:44:23,890 --> 01:44:29,890
It's just like taking a little chisel and chisel and chisel and chisel and chumps off the

959
01:44:29,890 --> 01:44:32,270
outer perimeter of the lock.

960
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:37,770
We're blasting and they're drilling and they're putting charges down deeper into it and

961
01:44:37,770 --> 01:44:40,150
popping the whole foundation in one shot.

962
01:44:40,690 --> 01:44:46,850
Where this chipping is facing just mostly on the surface, it travels, doesn't travel very

963
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:47,050
far.

964
01:44:47,190 --> 01:44:52,110
And you're only taking a little chumps off as you go, you're not popping big boulders off.

965
01:44:52,110 --> 01:44:56,690
You make everything just coming off in smaller pieces and as far as some of the last

966
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:59,970
Those are affordable, so those coming down with...

967
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:13,120
We all can stuff like that. So they have kind of built in the little vibration system into the got some shocks on there. So there won't be any, it'll be definitely won't be in there as bad as blasting.

968
01:45:22,410 --> 01:45:37,570
I think I just add that when this was approved, I'm sorry, we're going back to blasting in 2009, but we did impose conditions about how it needed to be limited from 830 in the morning to 330 in the afternoon.

969
01:45:38,510 --> 01:45:41,550
And no hammer activities on Saturdays or Sundays.

970
01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:47,890
So it is something that we have restricted in the past

971
01:45:47,890 --> 01:45:50,050
tighter than 7 AM.

972
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:03,340
I do want to try and do it quick because I think

973
01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:06,020
in the opening narrative for you as you said

974
01:46:06,020 --> 01:46:09,800
that there was only one property that had

975
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:14,120
was within the 300, but we're looking at property lines

976
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:15,840
and based on the lines.

977
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,940
you've got two properties that are within.

978
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,520
So you've got, I can't read my numbers from here though.

979
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:25,910
Both,

980
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:29,290
come on machine,

981
01:46:31,410 --> 01:46:32,270
I'll give you a lot of numbers

982
01:46:32,270 --> 01:46:33,510
and house numbers.

983
01:46:33,870 --> 01:46:36,970
So a lot of eight, which is house number 15,

984
01:46:37,330 --> 01:46:39,370
and then a lot of 74, which is house numbers.

985
01:46:39,670 --> 01:46:42,070
I'm sorry, a lot of number 10, which is house number 74.

986
01:46:42,970 --> 01:46:46,250
So that 300 foot line diameter hits both of those.

987
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:48,410
The lot in between is the one that's empty.

988
01:46:48,410 --> 01:46:55,610
And you also have, a lot, 17, which is house number five, nine.

989
01:46:56,470 --> 01:47:02,630
So actually we've got three, which are within your three hundred foot degrees instead of just the one.

990
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:17,490
So just, it's just a point of clarification for the what we're looking at, it's not necessarily that line crossing a house or a foundation but just a property line according to my understanding of how

991
01:47:17,490 --> 01:47:18,830
I'm supposed to be reading the ranks.

992
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:24,050
So anything else from commission?

993
01:47:28,910 --> 01:47:29,670
That at the moment.

994
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:32,270
OK, thank you.

995
01:47:32,910 --> 01:47:37,590
Anything from town staff for technical notes or anything else?

996
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:41,530
Sure, so I think I will do two things.

997
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:44,710
First thing is, I will give you a little bit of background

998
01:47:44,710 --> 01:47:47,250
on this property when this development.

999
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:54,590
And then I will summarize my staff for you because I think they kind of tied into one another.

1000
01:47:55,630 --> 01:48:01,330
This development, the Birch Mountain subdivision section 8, was approved back in 2001.

1001
01:48:01,750 --> 01:48:07,310
So quite a few years back, there was a phasing plan that was approved in 2003.

1002
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:13,670
Subsequently, several extensions were granted ultimately the subdivision.

1003
01:48:13,670 --> 01:48:21,390
So, the public improvements, the road, the utilities, the public improvements that are associated with the subdivisions,

1004
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:27,690
where the subdivision, where adopted, accepted by the town in 2011.

1005
01:48:29,570 --> 01:48:38,410
So, the subdivision has officially sort of stopped being the subdivision, and it became individual lots,

1006
01:48:38,410 --> 01:48:44,790
because the road is accepted, and at this point, this is the development of individual

1007
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:45,350
lots.

1008
01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:54,930
This is a very challenging site, from the very Gadgo, and I wasn't here in 2001, but

1009
01:48:54,930 --> 01:49:05,170
from what I understood when I was here in 2009, this site had presented severe challenges

1010
01:49:05,170 --> 01:49:12,470
for the development, and there were severe erosion and sediment control issues that occurred throughout the time.

1011
01:49:13,630 --> 01:49:20,290
And just to put this out, some of that predates this particular developer,

1012
01:49:20,930 --> 01:49:32,870
because there was somebody else who actually owned and was developing this site from 2001 to about 2008 or 9, something around here.

1013
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:37,790
It is my understanding that about to await to a nine

1014
01:49:37,790 --> 01:49:43,210
statement to cover the site, Mr. Prouse,

1015
01:49:43,290 --> 01:49:48,550
reference the old approval from 2009,

1016
01:49:49,130 --> 01:49:54,350
which was subject to a contentious public hearing.

1017
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:57,270
Where a lot of neighbors came out and complained

1018
01:49:57,270 --> 01:50:01,790
about the conditions of the site and the stage

1019
01:50:01,790 --> 01:50:08,350
of that development. And as a direct consequence of that public hearing, the planning and zoning

1020
01:50:08,350 --> 01:50:18,450
commission at that time undertook about a year of taking changing the subdivision and

1021
01:50:18,450 --> 01:50:24,190
the zoning regulations. So there were changes that were adopted to the subdivision regulations,

1022
01:50:24,190 --> 01:50:29,030
and there was this change in this submission.

1023
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:37,390
This is only regulation that this development is in front of you tonight is the

1024
01:50:37,390 --> 01:50:43,710
right consequence of what had happened as a result of all that development.

1025
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:53,830
So this particular regulation which this application is before you for requires a special permit,

1026
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:55,930
which is the same thing as special exceptions.

1027
01:50:56,150 --> 01:50:58,310
So you're looking at those kind of criteria.

1028
01:50:59,470 --> 01:51:00,870
It requires the public hearing.

1029
01:51:01,570 --> 01:51:06,970
And it requires you to review the stuff

1030
01:51:06,970 --> 01:51:08,870
that I outlined in my memo.

1031
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:17,190
So in that, I would like you to highlight, for you,

1032
01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:18,910
as a point for consideration,

1033
01:51:18,910 --> 01:51:27,650
are the applicant has indicated that this proposed activity will be directly related to finishing

1034
01:51:28,190 --> 01:51:37,690
of that 2001 submission. We are working, we are looking at five lots. The applicant indicated

1035
01:51:37,690 --> 01:51:43,790
that he is not proposing to establish some kind of commercial, rock, crashing operation,

1036
01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:52,470
or commercial excavation activity in the or introduce that kind of use into the residential

1037
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:53,270
lot.

1038
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:59,050
Based on what is submitted, the proposal is intended to process rock that is already

1039
01:51:59,050 --> 01:52:06,430
generated on the site and stored within the subdivision and then re-use as

1040
01:52:06,430 --> 01:52:14,690
However, there is a note on the plan that indicates that at the end of the crushing and

1041
01:52:14,690 --> 01:52:19,110
greeting, the removal of access may be required.

1042
01:52:20,890 --> 01:52:27,430
The applicant has indicated that 2,000 cubic yards of material will be deposited to fill in

1043
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:28,410
perhaps wetlands.

1044
01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:29,710
we

1045
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:52,560
Are dealing here with this application with stated 5,000 cubic yards of material, which, you know, there was a testimony during the Veterans application that 2,000 cubic yards is one foot on a football field, so that gives you some idea how much perhaps 5,000 cubic yards would be.

1046
01:52:52,560 --> 01:53:00,720
but especially if there are changes on the veterans and I suggest that the commission may want

1047
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:08,580
to talk to the applicant and establish some sort of perhaps more specific assessment as to

1048
01:53:08,580 --> 01:53:18,860
what would access be and then how would develop or deal with that access. So for example, if that is

1049
01:53:18,860 --> 01:53:27,440
be trucked off-site, you know, what are the hours of that would that require, as a condition

1050
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:32,200
of the approval, the applicant to come to the commission and get that portion approved

1051
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:38,360
as a separate once we know what access is, but the commission would need to be comfortable

1052
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:47,380
with expectation of what that access is so that we do not end up perhaps having a huge amount

1053
01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:54,240
of perhaps traffic later on, so I would encourage you to ask questions to that effect.

1054
01:53:58,870 --> 01:54:05,730
I would also recommend this conversation about location, the question that Chair asked

1055
01:54:05,730 --> 01:54:15,630
with regards to the 300 feet separation of the pressure from the property line.

1056
01:54:15,630 --> 01:54:24,690
that particular provision of the zoning regulation took previous planning and zoning

1057
01:54:24,690 --> 01:54:33,030
commission, several meetings of discussion, because the point of that particular provision

1058
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:40,910
was to provide regulations for the subdivisions that are approved subdivisions under construction,

1059
01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:50,410
not necessarily individual building lots when something comes back in their houses that are built

1060
01:54:50,410 --> 01:54:52,690
and there are things of that nature.

1061
01:54:53,250 --> 01:55:00,770
So the commission wanted to make sure that there is enough leverage in the language of the regulation

1062
01:55:00,770 --> 01:55:03,010
for them to consider.

1063
01:55:03,010 --> 01:55:12,890
In this situation, we're dealing with five lots, which is five subdivisions, from an approved subdivision.

1064
01:55:14,450 --> 01:55:21,150
So, they're not proposing crushing on each individual lot, which was why those 300 feet exist there.

1065
01:55:21,150 --> 01:55:32,910
The commission did not want to have somehow this come up as an operation where each individual lot, somebody would come in and have a crushing.

1066
01:55:32,910 --> 01:55:35,570
of appreciation to develop each individual act.

1067
01:55:36,250 --> 01:55:45,110
But you should be comfortable that that distance is sufficient that the location of this

1068
01:55:45,110 --> 01:55:56,870
crusher is such that to the most extent possible protects the existing homes in the neighborhood.

1069
01:56:12,010 --> 01:56:21,690
So now we are going back to 2009 and the fact that back then this was also quite a bit of a concern.

1070
01:56:22,230 --> 01:56:26,850
We are introducing an operation that has a potential to create a lot of knowledge.

1071
01:56:26,850 --> 01:56:35,930
And a lot of dust, the commission should have assurance, assurance says that those will be remedied.

1072
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:42,490
The pneumatic hammers, that condition, that pneumatic hammers are not used.

1073
01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:52,590
One of the perhaps consideration the commission can consider is whether or not the rock crusher that the applicant is using,

1074
01:56:52,590 --> 01:57:02,310
that takes in suitcase size boulders is the best the most appropriate type of rock

1075
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:09,290
crusher that can be used because in order for them my understanding is in order

1076
01:57:09,290 --> 01:57:19,230
for them to bring the existing boulders to suitcase size boulders they need to use the jackhammer

1077
01:57:19,230 --> 01:57:24,090
So, there is already some need to process rock.

1078
01:57:24,330 --> 01:57:27,950
Before it even gets into the rock crusher,

1079
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:32,330
also duration of operation could be reduced

1080
01:57:32,330 --> 01:57:37,370
if there is perhaps a larger machine in place.

1081
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:42,390
However, that may mean more disturbance

1082
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:43,810
more noise to the neighbors.

1083
01:57:44,090 --> 01:57:47,810
So the applicant should talk to the commission

1084
01:57:47,810 --> 01:57:51,050
about options in that sense, I think.

1085
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:57,170
Truck traffic in access, the applicant's proposal is intended

1086
01:57:57,170 --> 01:57:59,910
to reuse the proposal material within the subdivision

1087
01:57:59,910 --> 01:58:05,690
that should substantially limit and reduce the need to transport

1088
01:58:05,690 --> 01:58:09,750
the approximately 5,000 cubic yards of material.

1089
01:58:13,380 --> 01:58:20,100
I think, again, I will bring that point about, like, just making sure

1090
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:22,660
about that future potential access.

1091
01:58:23,020 --> 01:58:27,420
Like what are we talking about, how much will that be?

1092
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,500
With the erosion and sediment control,

1093
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:32,240
this is critically important.

1094
01:58:32,300 --> 01:58:34,900
If commission proceeds to approve this application,

1095
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:38,000
we suggest to let us come back to you.

1096
01:58:38,620 --> 01:58:40,300
So what I will be suggesting

1097
01:58:40,300 --> 01:58:43,000
and you will see that in the motion is to perhaps

1098
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:47,440
keep the hearing open so that we can draft up

1099
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:54,000
a good recommendation for the motion, that ensures that no crashing or processing

1100
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:58,780
commence until applicable erosion and sedimentation control requirements have been

1101
01:58:58,780 --> 01:59:07,580
reviewed approved in the commission sets and dates and date conditions for this operation.

1102
01:59:09,580 --> 01:59:16,840
And then those conditions, such as end date, can then be enforced through provision of assurance

1103
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:21,820
through provision of bonding, through some other methods that we may consider.

1104
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:28,400
And then lastly, we provide a comment to the applicant of Pothuiko Reverellans, our

1105
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:33,040
those comments from Kim Dubanaski, our chief sanitaryan.

1106
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:36,960
Those are directed to the commission as well as to the applicant.

1107
01:59:37,780 --> 01:59:45,740
And they really are about her referencing the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental

1108
01:59:45,740 --> 01:59:52,640
protections guidance document for evaluating potential hydrogenological impact associated

1109
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,060
with blasting development activities.

1110
01:59:57,420 --> 01:59:59,980
This guidance provides.

1111
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:12,680
Guidance to you, municipal and user officials, when evaluating proposed developments, where significant urge to remove and or blasting or developments can occur.

1112
02:00:13,300 --> 02:00:24,860
So, the commissioner should consider if this proposed activity warrants production of data analysis that is outlined in the guidance document 1 through 7,

1113
02:00:24,860 --> 02:00:36,860
which would then include them employing a professional hydrogelologist, surveying some

1114
02:00:36,860 --> 02:00:40,540
wells within 500 feet of the area and some other things.

1115
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:43,960
So that is what we have.

1116
02:00:44,180 --> 02:00:52,880
We have some other staff comments that are plan modification, but I think without even getting

1117
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,920
into that, because those are really blind modifications.

1118
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:59,420
There are some other questions or some other,

1119
02:00:59,420 --> 02:01:05,100
but have things that you should be talking to the developer,

1120
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:09,400
or asking the developer to provide before this hearing

1121
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:10,200
should be closed.

1122
02:01:17,850 --> 02:01:20,170
God knows the staff memos that are minor in technical.

1123
02:01:23,350 --> 02:01:25,950
Yeah, I mean, there's a pretty substantial list.

1124
02:01:26,050 --> 02:01:28,450
Some of it overlaps with what we heard

1125
02:01:28,450 --> 02:01:39,450
as part of the previous application, so the deep items definitely overlaps and runs.

1126
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:47,930
We did get testimony from Applegant that there will not be any blasting, it will be hammered

1127
02:01:47,930 --> 02:01:58,310
out and then dug out with excavation equipment if they run it to anything on that foundational

1128
02:01:58,310 --> 02:02:07,710
at the end. So I did do some very, very quick math. So you're talking about a triaxial or 20

1129
02:02:07,710 --> 02:02:14,750
ton truck you're talking about for 2,000 yards, you're going to get around 135 trips across

1130
02:02:14,750 --> 02:02:23,570
the street. Then you have the question of what is going to happen with the estimated 3,000 cubic

1131
02:02:23,570 --> 02:02:30,770
yards remaining after that, and that's another 200 trips, and I think those ones would end up

1132
02:02:30,770 --> 02:02:38,330
going off-site out of the neighborhood. So that's 200 up, 200 down to get items out.

1133
02:02:40,930 --> 02:02:42,410
Things to keep in mind.

1134
02:02:46,490 --> 02:02:51,490
Is there anything from the staff comments that anybody on the commission

1135
02:02:51,490 --> 02:02:56,150
has a question on, and it was a huge amount of information.

1136
02:03:02,910 --> 02:03:08,510
It takes here of a, that's everything, town staff comments for, for at least for right now.

1137
02:03:08,830 --> 02:03:13,870
Yeah, I have photos, it helps you, but I don't, I think you should just continue your discussion

1138
02:03:13,870 --> 02:03:14,250
for that.

1139
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:22,250
I was going to pivot and just state that, as this is a public hearing, if there's anybody

1140
02:03:22,250 --> 02:03:28,570
from the public who wish to provide any testimony for the application,

1141
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:32,560
and then Ms.

1142
02:03:32,620 --> 02:03:37,840
Bratadi has already read or made mentioned and put into record the items that were received

1143
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:44,920
the email to town staff, essentially the same items that were received and answered as part

1144
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:46,340
of the previous application.

1145
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:50,800
There's a lot of open questions.

1146
02:03:52,800 --> 02:04:01,760
And I think I got some of them, so I want to very quickly rehash a couple of the items,

1147
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:07,800
just so I know that I have my list of things to tick off, so if there's, as I read through it,

1148
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:13,800
if anybody from the commission has anything that I missed, where if there's a pertinent item,

1149
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:18,860
Renata, that there's a larger pertinent item that I miss, please, but, you know,

1150
02:04:19,700 --> 02:04:28,180
larger item is the, we're going back to Prudent Visible, options and questions on the size

1151
02:04:28,180 --> 02:04:35,520
of the machinery and the, and the crusher and the hammers that are going to be used for this operation.

1152
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:45,560
how that works on the balancing equation of time versus noise balance.

1153
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:53,320
So, larger machines less time, but likely more noise, smaller machines longer time, possibly less noise.

1154
02:04:54,020 --> 02:04:59,420
We don't know. So, that would be one item we need some further information on.

1155
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,300
Even if it's just a discussion item.

1156
02:05:02,740 --> 02:05:18,260
I heard from Mr. Prouse, the possible idea of constricting the timeline to, I heard, 83330 for the hours of operation Monday through Friday non-Holidays.

1157
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:28,740
I personally would like to hear more on sound abatement because it was just mentioned that it would be there, but we don't know what that means.

1158
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:42,320
We need to have a very good discussion on what is going to, what is going to happen to the

1159
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:49,620
remaining estimated 3,000 square yards of rock that is estimated to be on the property

1160
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:54,800
that we're looking at outside of the 2,000 square yards that are going to go across the street

1161
02:05:54,800 --> 02:06:02,640
this plan comes to fruition. And then also, as we asked in the previous application,

1162
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:09,920
that 7. deep testing for the rocks in when they crush.

1163
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:18,560
I know that part of that is downstream after the effect, but also

1164
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:24,500
So fine particle items are our nasty items of work with.

1165
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:32,040
So I think those are my list of items that I had that I found.

1166
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:42,820
In addition to the testimony that needs to provide on some of the ENS that will have to go in place in order to keep the dust and the dirt and the any runoff.

1167
02:06:42,820 --> 02:06:47,260
on the lots. I'm going to say lots.

1168
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:52,780
A lot. Singular because we're treating the two pieces as a single entity for this application.

1169
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,780
Did I miss anything but anybody heard?

1170
02:07:01,370 --> 02:07:01,610
All right.

1171
02:07:05,930 --> 02:07:06,810
Mr. Kenner.

1172
02:07:08,570 --> 02:07:09,670
I'll make the motion to.

1173
02:07:10,030 --> 02:07:18,670
Mr. Chair. Before the motion is made perhaps you may just ask the applicant if he has any answers to any of these questions.

1174
02:07:18,670 --> 02:07:20,290
because that's a good idea.

1175
02:07:22,210 --> 02:07:23,610
Sure. Thank you for that idea.

1176
02:07:23,870 --> 02:07:25,250
Thank you very much.

1177
02:07:26,270 --> 02:07:28,650
For either applicant or Mr.

1178
02:07:28,770 --> 02:07:29,970
Nevis if on...

1179
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:38,240
Any of those items? Do you have any information on those? Or is it items where you'd like to take them all back and address them at a later point in time?

1180
02:07:41,170 --> 02:07:45,650
Yeah, I think we'd like to put in my document and address them later on. All at once.

1181
02:07:47,190 --> 02:07:47,990
Very well.

1182
02:07:50,300 --> 02:07:51,520
Okay. Mr. Kennedy.

1183
02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:57,160
All right. I'm the commotion we continue to public hearing to October 5th.

1184
02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:00,460
for C-O-R inch development and all state

1185
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:05,980
exclamation, permit, 2-2026 went quotienting.

1186
02:08:06,220 --> 02:08:10,260
Continuing the problem here into October 5th, 2026,

1187
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,620
and acquired the applicant to provide the following

1188
02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:15,880
additional information, one detail.

1189
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:20,320
Information regarding the amount of the expected

1190
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:24,780
access to material details, regarding the specific

1191
02:08:24,780 --> 02:08:28,880
for a group of states and others, not for the population and date and erosion control

1192
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:36,060
as during the expected removal of excess material to more information about the rock

1193
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:39,680
pressure for the growing condolences of using the rock pressure.

1194
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:45,340
With capacity, the handle will light a size, rock folders, three professional dilation and

1195
02:08:45,340 --> 02:08:53,660
the underlying bedrock in terms of this operation causing any potential high- third geologic

1196
02:08:53,660 --> 02:08:58,480
impact such as acid rock drainage from the wells within a 500 foot radius of the area

1197
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:05,020
disturbed by the proposed rock crushing and processing activity, or it would revise plans

1198
02:09:05,020 --> 02:09:08,440
to address any outstanding staff comments in five,

1199
02:09:10,460 --> 02:09:12,820
but any further information and response to the

1200
02:09:12,820 --> 02:09:19,920
list of issues just listed by the chairman that weren't covered in the previous four points.

1201
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:23,920
Point of order, Mr. Chair, would we ask for a public comment?

1202
02:09:24,460 --> 02:09:25,060
Yes, we have.

1203
02:09:25,180 --> 02:09:25,900
We have.

1204
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:28,380
No one here is for a public comment.

1205
02:09:28,980 --> 02:09:30,160
Nobody stood to speak.

1206
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:31,420
Thank you.

1207
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:31,680
All right.

1208
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:33,380
I guess I'm going to use the public comment.

1209
02:09:33,620 --> 02:09:35,380
Would be on the expectation for that?

1210
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,160
From the audience, the question is the public comment.

1211
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:39,120
Would be on excavation.

1212
02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:40,560
The answer to that is yes.

1213
02:09:46,710 --> 02:09:48,030
Is it too late?

1214
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:49,190
No.

1215
02:09:49,330 --> 02:09:50,410
Nobody seconded yet.

1216
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:58,710
I can leave that open for that question open if there is other testimony you would like to put forward.

1217
02:10:07,890 --> 02:10:15,730
On the top of the one of the key street, I guess I would appreciate the commission not so much consider

1218
02:10:15,730 --> 02:10:21,190
like how the chair is going to be pulverized by how are you going to monitor the noise.

1219
02:10:21,190 --> 02:10:27,450
You had a very contentious hearing not too long ago about just processing what.

1220
02:10:28,190 --> 02:10:30,130
And here we're processing what?

1221
02:10:31,330 --> 02:10:36,310
So what's a safeguards of you are going to have for the surrounding community in terms

1222
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:37,830
of monitoring your life?

1223
02:10:38,690 --> 02:10:46,430
So that would be my concern for both not-insistered, for the residents live in the area, but

1224
02:10:46,430 --> 02:10:49,610
just, you know, in general people who are driving down the street.

1225
02:10:49,610 --> 02:10:58,090
like this is a very aggressive, so I say earth-moving activity, so I think it's

1226
02:10:58,430 --> 02:11:03,170
who's used to really consider how is a noise going to be monitored, the white

1227
02:11:03,170 --> 02:11:08,770
and like you've heard something about the equipment, but I don't think that the

1228
02:11:08,770 --> 02:11:13,770
have the opportunity to talk about the ways to think. Thank you.

1229
02:11:15,650 --> 02:11:16,610
Thank you.

1230
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:19,130
Okay, that's the second motion. Perfect.

1231
02:11:20,690 --> 02:11:23,610
So I have a motion from Mr. Kennedy, second from Mr. Prouse.

1232
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:30,340
Motion as red is the continuation of our public hearing

1233
02:11:30,340 --> 02:11:34,900
for excavation permit to dash 2026 with the items that's listed

1234
02:11:34,900 --> 02:11:43,860
with a extent, continuous to October 5, 2026. Any bit of discussion on this before I call

1235
02:11:43,860 --> 02:11:44,420
a vote?

1236
02:11:47,780 --> 02:11:51,980
Okay. All right. All those in favor of continuing the public hearing to October

1237
02:11:51,980 --> 02:12:03,160
5, 2026, aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any nays? Any abstains? Chair votes aye. We are continued

1238
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:05,980
Thank you very much, everybody.

1239
02:12:05,980 --> 02:12:07,040
Let's see you in October 5th.

1240
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:08,440
Thank you very much, everybody.

1241
02:12:08,940 --> 02:12:09,760
Let's see you in October.

1242
02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:13,070
Thank you.

1243
02:12:13,210 --> 02:12:14,950
Public hearing number three for the night.

1244
02:12:15,710 --> 02:12:17,930
You see development with a special exception.

1245
02:12:19,170 --> 02:12:21,610
Under Article 2 of Section 4.2 for construction.

1246
02:12:22,010 --> 02:12:24,690
But three bay, quick loop and emissions facility.

1247
02:12:25,570 --> 02:12:29,650
And all associated side improvements at 10, 76 and 10, 82,

1248
02:12:29,650 --> 02:12:37,650
Tom Turnpike and 15 depost rate, but this is special exception, 6-0-2026. Mr. Kennedy,

1249
02:12:37,770 --> 02:12:39,790
you might be reading the legal notice for our split.

1250
02:12:41,070 --> 02:12:46,870
You see the development, special exception, 6-0-2026. Special exception on our

1251
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:51,270
Article 2 section 4.2 per construction of a three-way quick, medium-end

1252
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:57,490
emissions testing facility, and all associated site improvements at 1076 and 1082

1253
02:12:57,490 --> 02:13:01,510
column turned by 15 depot street general business.

1254
02:13:03,370 --> 02:13:04,050
Thank you.

1255
02:13:04,810 --> 02:13:05,050
All right.

1256
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:09,530
I see the application applicant at the podium.

1257
02:13:10,610 --> 02:13:12,150
So as long as that green light is going

1258
02:13:12,150 --> 02:13:16,170
and you guys working on the power point.

1259
02:13:16,710 --> 02:13:18,570
The green light is green.

1260
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:21,890
There is an issue with the computer though.

1261
02:13:22,090 --> 02:13:22,570
Shut off.

1262
02:13:22,710 --> 02:13:25,270
Once it's late, it doesn't seem to want to do.

1263
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:28,550
or battery is critically low, wiki wiki.

1264
02:13:29,450 --> 02:13:30,610
Oh, it's pretty low.

1265
02:13:31,870 --> 02:13:33,970
Nazelo is my battery, but it's pretty low.

1266
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:36,090
And it's plugged in.

1267
02:13:36,710 --> 02:13:37,350
Internutten.

1268
02:13:37,930 --> 02:13:37,930
Oh,

1269
02:13:41,670 --> 02:13:42,630
there it is.

1270
02:13:44,050 --> 02:13:45,690
This should help.

1271
02:13:49,450 --> 02:13:50,390
I can get started.

1272
02:13:50,610 --> 02:13:50,770
Yeah.

1273
02:13:50,930 --> 02:13:53,410
So if you guys can introduce yourselves?

1274
02:13:54,270 --> 02:13:54,490
Sure.

1275
02:13:55,970 --> 02:13:58,470
My name is Jerry Gallo, I'm from the DOC development.

1276
02:14:00,250 --> 02:14:01,130
Thank you for joining me tonight.

1277
02:14:01,470 --> 02:14:05,970
We have a Tony Friend in Jane, Engineer Tim Koon,

1278
02:14:06,330 --> 02:14:08,330
and General Contractor James Simmons.

1279
02:14:10,150 --> 02:14:12,150
Well, thank you for your time tonight.

1280
02:14:13,630 --> 02:14:17,890
And I want to thank the town staff for guiding me through this process.

1281
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:20,650
It's been quite a process to get here.

1282
02:14:20,990 --> 02:14:23,290
And I appreciate everyone's guidance along the way.

1283
02:14:23,850 --> 02:14:30,450
especially you David's, the aquifer was a daunting task that we're able to get through

1284
02:14:30,450 --> 02:14:31,290
so I appreciate that.

1285
02:14:34,150 --> 02:14:35,970
We've back around on myself.

1286
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:39,750
I'm a 1988 Manchester High graduate.

1287
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:44,530
I started working in the quick loop industry when I was 16 years old.

1288
02:14:44,710 --> 02:14:48,090
I got the job through a co-op program at Manchester High.

1289
02:14:48,510 --> 02:14:50,850
And that was that economy changed down on Brock Street.

1290
02:14:52,900 --> 02:14:55,480
That was a job that most people would work there on high school.

1291
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:59,500
turn it into a career. It's really the only thing I've ever done.

1292
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,400
Okay? Besides, I wanted a couple of car washes along the way, but other than that, quick loops are the only thing that I've really done on my whole time.

1293
02:15:15,080 --> 02:15:20,680
I wanted to take a minute and just to dress the aquifer approval that we received at the last meeting.

1294
02:15:20,980 --> 02:15:32,360
And for the benefit of some of the commissioners who weren't here at that meeting, I wanted to make sure that we really address the safety protocols that we included in the design.

1295
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:36,000
to make sure that we were going to protect the aquifer on the ground board.

1296
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:40,640
Our goal

1297
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:46,120
was to exceed the best management practices contained in section 12 of an Manchester

1298
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:52,120
aquifer protection regulations, and I planned those that. Environmental protection

1299
02:15:52,120 --> 02:15:57,200
was incorporated into the facility from the beginning of the design process. We kind of

1300
02:15:57,200 --> 02:16:01,940
around that section 12 of the out-for-protection monitor.

1301
02:16:03,260 --> 02:16:05,080
There are multiple layers of protection.

1302
02:16:06,300 --> 02:16:08,860
We have fully contained indoor service operation.

1303
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:12,800
See, you're going to epoxy coated floors in the basement service area.

1304
02:16:13,940 --> 02:16:15,140
There are no floor drains.

1305
02:16:16,180 --> 02:16:18,100
Double wall new oil storage tanks.

1306
02:16:18,940 --> 02:16:23,240
Secondary containment in a tank cradle.

1307
02:16:24,520 --> 02:16:33,480
And a protective liner beneath the building as to just act as an additional barrier, God forbid the other three or four protections fail.

1308
02:16:34,460 --> 02:16:38,740
Okay, keep anything from getting into the groundwater or the soil.

1309
02:16:40,260 --> 02:16:43,300
Use fluids will be collected and removed prior to recycling.

1310
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:46,900
I'm sorry, proper recycling disposal.

1311
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:52,460
Though we know discharge of automotive fluids into the groundwater system.

1312
02:16:55,190 --> 02:17:02,910
Okay, deliveries, deliveries will be handled to a truck or pull on site.

1313
02:17:03,470 --> 02:17:06,790
I don't know if you're familiar with home heating oil trucks, it's basically the same type of vehicle.

1314
02:17:07,350 --> 02:17:13,170
It pulls on the hose is then taken down into the basement, and the tanks are filled in the basement.

1315
02:17:13,470 --> 02:17:17,790
So all the fills are done inside the basement, nothing is filled outside.

1316
02:17:18,270 --> 02:17:22,610
Like for example a gas station, they fill outside of the tanks.

1317
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:24,490
This is all done inside the building.

1318
02:17:24,490 --> 02:17:30,590
When they remove the waste oil, hose goes down, connects to a port in the tank, and it's

1319
02:17:30,590 --> 02:17:32,710
back out of the tank.

1320
02:17:33,610 --> 02:17:38,970
So again, nothing, no connection point outside of the bill.

1321
02:17:41,680 --> 02:17:43,220
We've taken the added step.

1322
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:48,660
Even our washer fluid, anti-freezed, used anti-freezed, and this is something new.

1323
02:17:48,740 --> 02:17:50,400
We're going to put wastewater tank in.

1324
02:17:50,580 --> 02:17:54,040
They will all be double walled as well.

1325
02:17:54,040 --> 02:18:00,220
Okay, the waste water is any mop water. We mop the floors at night instead of jumping it into the sink

1326
02:18:00,220 --> 02:18:02,280
We're just goes into the storm

1327
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:09,640
The sewer system to the water treatment plant. It'll actually go down into the tank and then be reclaimed by the

1328
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:10,500
waste oil company

1329
02:18:10,500 --> 02:18:11,340
All

1330
02:18:15,020 --> 02:18:15,620
right

1331
02:18:15,620 --> 02:18:18,140
The building rendering and appearance the

1332
02:18:21,500 --> 02:18:25,560
environmental discussions discussed above are incorporated into the design of the building

1333
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:31,060
We put considerable thought into how the building will look and we're actually

1334
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:37,180
very proud of it, okay. The building was designed to have four good sides. So a lot of

1335
02:18:37,180 --> 02:18:41,500
times when you go to a commercial area, you'll say, you'll see the front of it looks

1336
02:18:41,500 --> 02:18:45,960
nice, but to go around back and it's just a senior block that's painted or something along

1337
02:18:45,960 --> 02:18:52,500
those lines, or it's just the roof doesn't look as nice. Here, all four sides of the building

1338
02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:57,320
are designed to look nice, okay. It looked like a front view. This building, it will be

1339
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:03,380
viewable from the neighbor and property, and we wanted to make sure it looked nice from all four sides.

1340
02:19:10,420 --> 02:19:15,300
It was also designed to not look like a traditional auto repair shop or garage.

1341
02:19:15,740 --> 02:19:21,400
I think you can agree from looking at it, but it doesn't really look like a traditional garage or auto repair shop.

1342
02:19:21,660 --> 02:19:23,000
It does have garage doors.

1343
02:19:23,540 --> 02:19:27,600
It's tough to get away from that, but the design, we didn't go with the flat roof.

1344
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:30,700
We just thought it looked more like a New England look to it.

1345
02:19:30,720 --> 02:19:33,940
It's going to have a nice clapboard on the outside with a brick.

1346
02:19:36,890 --> 02:19:37,730
What do you call that general?

1347
02:19:38,430 --> 02:19:38,790
A lot of people.

1348
02:19:40,010 --> 02:19:40,950
A lot of people are on the bottom.

1349
02:19:41,610 --> 02:19:41,870
A lot of people.

1350
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:42,150
A lot of them.

1351
02:19:42,430 --> 02:19:43,150
A lot of people.

1352
02:19:43,690 --> 02:19:45,550
A lot of people.

1353
02:19:45,550 --> 02:19:48,490
So it has to be believed it's going to have strong curve appeal.

1354
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:55,450
Maintaining a neat clean professional looking facility is part of our business plan.

1355
02:19:55,990 --> 02:19:58,290
It's not something that's just being done here for you tonight.

1356
02:20:00,110 --> 02:20:16,130
When I was part of the kind of york change, we did win at that time we won beautification awards and we were people often commented on how the property looked, the landscaping, and that was something that we were very proud of, and that will be the same here.

1357
02:20:18,690 --> 02:20:21,610
All right, compatibility in the area.

1358
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:27,870
This use for a quick loop fits very well within the area.

1359
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:30,630
Currently, it's in the retail quarter of toll and turnpike,

1360
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:33,170
and nearby uses include Manchester Honda,

1361
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:36,330
Firestone Tire, Town Fair Tire,

1362
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:39,490
Two water body shops, Rockies Ace Hardware,

1363
02:20:40,050 --> 02:20:43,810
BJ's Whole Cell Club, which also sells gasoline at tires.

1364
02:20:45,970 --> 02:20:49,450
And a broad mix of other retail businesses, restaurants and

1365
02:20:49,450 --> 02:20:54,030
fast food establishments is consistent with the automotive service and

1366
02:20:54,030 --> 02:20:57,430
retail use their already established in the immediate area.

1367
02:20:58,970 --> 02:21:01,810
The business will also provide an additional needed service for the

1368
02:21:01,810 --> 02:21:02,810
residents of Manchester.

1369
02:21:04,650 --> 02:21:10,790
Currently, there is only one dedicated option in Manchester for a quick

1370
02:21:10,790 --> 02:21:16,050
no appointment, oil change and that's our old business economy, oil change, a broad sweep.

1371
02:21:17,250 --> 02:21:23,470
Manchester residents have new business choices for a piece of restaurant, grocery stores,

1372
02:21:23,570 --> 02:21:29,310
gas stations, auto repair, car washers, lawyers, doctors, dry cleaners.

1373
02:21:31,250 --> 02:21:34,890
You name that list of every day services, there are multiple options, but for a quick

1374
02:21:34,890 --> 02:21:38,950
oil change with no appointment is only one of the choice.

1375
02:21:40,050 --> 02:21:43,430
So, the top, the residents will benefit from this,

1376
02:21:51,580 --> 02:21:53,500
okay, the site plan, traffic,

1377
02:21:56,540 --> 02:21:59,580
oh, I'm sorry, can you go to the site plan place as a green one?

1378
02:22:04,180 --> 02:22:05,060
Thank you.

1379
02:22:05,360 --> 02:22:05,980
I don't know.

1380
02:22:06,100 --> 02:22:06,780
Can you make any bigger?

1381
02:22:07,020 --> 02:22:07,340
I'm sorry.

1382
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:11,000
We really just need to see the green part.

1383
02:22:19,060 --> 02:22:19,460
That's good.

1384
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:19,940
That's good.

1385
02:22:20,280 --> 02:22:21,100
Thank you.

1386
02:22:21,580 --> 02:22:24,940
So, Tom and Turnpike is up here at the top right here.

1387
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:29,700
You can't see it as cut off, but there's a turning lane.

1388
02:22:30,140 --> 02:22:37,140
In the center, okay, for people to turn coming from the east or west, is the center turning away.

1389
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:51,120
All right, you see it right here, okay. The vehicles will enter the site, they'll head to the right here, around the building, okay, where there's two queueing lanes, actually there's three queueing lanes.

1390
02:22:51,460 --> 02:22:58,500
We plan to use two queueing lanes that neck is a stacking from 19 vehicles, okay, which is significant stacking.

1391
02:23:00,460 --> 02:23:07,720
And then if it does, God forbid we get busier, and actually hopefully we get busier, so

1392
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:12,780
we have a third lane, which will allow us to stack another 11 vehicles, and gets us up to

1393
02:23:12,780 --> 02:23:15,300
30 vehicles of stack, which is excessive.

1394
02:23:16,060 --> 02:23:22,300
This facility here, is expected to do somewhere between 50 to 60 oil changes per day.

1395
02:23:23,420 --> 02:23:28,420
So that gives you some, you can figure that relationship between the number of stacking

1396
02:23:28,420 --> 02:23:31,780
where it's how many we're going to do in a day, and they don't all come and once, they come

1397
02:23:31,780 --> 02:23:37,400
throughout the day. So the vehicles will come around here, they'll enter, they'll pull right

1398
02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:41,180
up to the garage door here, I don't know if you can hopefully you can see that here and here,

1399
02:23:41,820 --> 02:23:45,800
they'll be serviced in here, and then pull out and then I'll, I got out of the tunnel and turn

1400
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:52,600
pike. So it's that nice flow to the site. There's expected to be about five employees on, we have

1401
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:56,620
10 parking spaces. It's not the type of vehicles we're a type of service, because the

1402
02:23:56,620 --> 02:24:02,100
come and drop their car off, really the only people parking there, or maybe a sales person

1403
02:24:02,100 --> 02:24:08,780
comes to make good for a sale or a customer. Okay, so there's really the plenty of parking

1404
02:24:08,780 --> 02:24:09,240
available.

1405
02:24:12,910 --> 02:24:19,750
The deliveries, you can see deliveries here, the trucks are maybe four hours. So

1406
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:29,610
when we see our oil deliveries, those are made in the morning before hours. The business is going to

1407
02:24:29,610 --> 02:24:39,570
Okay, the delivery is done, but they will pull in around park, the host is then dragged into the basement and the tanks are filled to the basement.

1408
02:24:41,770 --> 02:24:47,390
And the delivery is usually take place every couple weeks, every other week from all around.

1409
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:55,680
Please stop me if I'm missing anything or you have any questions. Okay.

1410
02:24:57,360 --> 02:24:59,600
We did have a traffic study done.

1411
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:06,660
I don't want to, by Scott Hexeth, who's a licensed track for engineer,

1412
02:25:10,350 --> 02:25:25,210
you should have received that in your packet, but he states that this useful represents approximately 77% fewer weak day trips and 73% fewer Saturday trips than the former use when it was a gas station in repair shop,

1413
02:25:27,350 --> 02:25:30,430
and there's no impact, no negative impact on the traffic in the area.

1414
02:25:36,510 --> 02:25:38,870
All right, do you have any other questions?

1415
02:25:42,370 --> 02:25:42,550
Yeah.

1416
02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:47,580
I'm sure we've got a couple of them.

1417
02:25:48,700 --> 02:25:56,000
So in this plan, there's other than that stormwater line, there's no other access

1418
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,460
on to depot.

1419
02:25:58,120 --> 02:25:58,640
Correct.

1420
02:25:59,300 --> 02:25:59,660
Correct.

1421
02:25:59,720 --> 02:26:00,320
That is.

1422
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:02,000
I wouldn't even call that access.

1423
02:26:02,540 --> 02:26:03,020
That will be.

1424
02:26:03,020 --> 02:26:03,500
No.

1425
02:26:03,740 --> 02:26:04,460
There's nothing there.

1426
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:05,520
Okay.

1427
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:07,940
I'm just.

1428
02:26:07,940 --> 02:26:10,920
So public hearing, I got to measure it all yesterday.

1429
02:26:11,220 --> 02:26:12,900
Otherwise I can't talk about it later.

1430
02:26:16,620 --> 02:26:20,380
Can you speak to the retaining wall on that southeast,

1431
02:26:21,340 --> 02:26:22,940
south from southeast corner?

1432
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:28,520
We looked at the car wash application that was denied

1433
02:26:28,520 --> 02:26:31,940
in the comments that the commission made about the wall

1434
02:26:31,940 --> 02:26:33,740
in that application.

1435
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:35,780
And we tried to use that in our plan.

1436
02:26:35,780 --> 02:26:41,060
And that plan I believe that wall was approximately eight feet tall, and only a foot off the property line.

1437
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:44,620
We've made it at its highest point, it's three and a half feet tall.

1438
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:46,640
There's also a wood guardrail.

1439
02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:48,940
We'll go in front of it.

1440
02:26:49,460 --> 02:26:51,960
Nice knowing that we're looking wood guardrail there.

1441
02:26:53,640 --> 02:26:54,660
It wraps around.

1442
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:57,380
Much of exactly how long it is.

1443
02:26:57,480 --> 02:26:58,940
Tim, I'm not sure if you know how many feet.

1444
02:26:59,220 --> 02:26:59,740
No, no general.

1445
02:27:00,300 --> 02:27:05,080
Okay, but it's represented by this black line, and it's three feet off the property line now.

1446
02:27:05,080 --> 02:27:14,100
It's the first one foot and it's that ice-free cast, the larger blocks, lots of your blocks, I guess.

1447
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:17,380
Ingress and Egress.

1448
02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:22,340
So this is a point of contention on a previous application on this lot.

1449
02:27:25,340 --> 02:27:29,480
I'm looking at this and it looks like it's the old existing.

1450
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,180
I forget if that's.

1451
02:27:34,180 --> 02:27:39,680
is my map. That's on the eastern portion of the city side, okay. Yeah. It's sort of where

1452
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:46,360
the existing curb used to be, curb cut used to be for the previous, the gas station that

1453
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:54,180
was there. Where is that in relation to the island, because the state and the town

1454
02:27:54,180 --> 02:27:57,120
redid that intersection, right? So how was that set up?

1455
02:27:57,440 --> 02:28:04,700
I was a little bit further a little bit further a little further there.

1456
02:28:04,980 --> 02:28:11,100
You can see the island here. Here's the island. This is paint here.

1457
02:28:11,700 --> 02:28:15,940
Okay, this is a painted island here and here. And this is an actual physical island

1458
02:28:15,940 --> 02:28:20,540
with granite herb here. And this is the painting turning ways.

1459
02:28:20,540 --> 02:28:24,040
This, the turn is the hair from the east.

1460
02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:26,200
It would be a left turn in and from the west

1461
02:28:26,200 --> 02:28:27,900
would just be a right turn in.

1462
02:28:28,180 --> 02:28:30,380
Across the street here, you have the community center

1463
02:28:30,380 --> 02:28:33,200
and the ball field where people park there.

1464
02:28:34,120 --> 02:28:35,340
Across the street.

1465
02:28:36,740 --> 02:28:42,100
So if you plan, can you go a couple of slides pass this one, please?

1466
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:45,500
Well, excuse me, so your plan is to have

1467
02:28:45,500 --> 02:28:50,000
that as a full access left, right,

1468
02:28:50,500 --> 02:28:50,940
Yes.

1469
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:59,220
Again, if the trips are fewer than the previous use, by 77% week, they're 73% we get.

1470
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:02,420
On a little too far, I'm sorry, back a little bit.

1471
02:29:02,680 --> 02:29:03,500
I'm sorry.

1472
02:29:04,060 --> 02:29:04,500
Good.

1473
02:29:04,620 --> 02:29:04,700
Good.

1474
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:05,220
That's perfect.

1475
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:10,900
This is, this is the erosion.

1476
02:29:11,080 --> 02:29:11,880
You can set it in control.

1477
02:29:12,100 --> 02:29:12,600
Thanks, boy.

1478
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:14,260
You can ask Tim about that.

1479
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:18,620
And then.

1480
02:29:20,920 --> 02:29:25,880
I also had, I've been to the site many times during the planning of this in the survey.

1481
02:29:27,480 --> 02:29:31,860
I don't know who laid out these lights with BJs in the corner of Adam Street here in Tom Turnpike,

1482
02:29:32,180 --> 02:29:37,980
but they did an excellent job. There is plenty of opportunity to come out and make a left,

1483
02:29:39,320 --> 02:29:44,000
but it's really a well laid out light pattern.

1484
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:48,240
Yeah, I don't believe that was a town project wasn't hot, Gary.

1485
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:56,000
Yeah, I think we got some wonderful engineers in town here.

1486
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:58,260
I hope they're listening to this.

1487
02:30:00,300 --> 02:30:17,100
Yeah, nothing better to do on a Monday night at 9.30, then listen to us, babble. The only other question I have for you, and then I'll release you to everybody else. So this property is also known as a contaminated site, and so there are monitoring wells.

1488
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:30,280
I would love it if I saw the motion already, you're going to hand off. But if we can go through how those monitoring wells are going to be maintained, how are you going to keep access to those? Because if I've really

1489
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:35,600
Remember, right, there's a couple of, and there's essentially underneath what is now going to be pavement or building.

1490
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:38,180
One of them is located in the built-in side of the building.

1491
02:30:39,420 --> 02:30:46,800
And it's located between, if we start by the waiting area here and the left, that would be bay one, then bay two, bay three.

1492
02:30:46,940 --> 02:30:52,520
Located between bay two and bay three at the southern side of the building.

1493
02:30:54,280 --> 02:31:02,360
The plan for that is we're going to be the physical cleanup of the site is complete, okay?

1494
02:31:02,920 --> 02:31:08,480
The part that's left is the monitoring portion and we need to get correct me if I'm right.

1495
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:14,680
We need four quarters over two years correct of clean tests.

1496
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:19,280
The last two quarters and both quarters have come back clean, okay?

1497
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:25,920
So, our next test will be the third week, I'm sorry, the week of October 5th, where it sells

1498
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:27,240
with the next testing cycle.

1499
02:31:27,660 --> 02:31:33,760
So, a test will be performed that week, we expect the results to be the same, and we have no

1500
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:37,420
indication that they won't be the same, so we expect them to be the same.

1501
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:48,840
That would then get us our third clean test, at that point the monitoring will be all three

1502
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:53,640
The part here, the one that's going to be in the building with the liner, the manufacturer

1503
02:31:53,640 --> 02:32:00,700
makes a patch kit specifically for that, so what will happen is the whole foundation will

1504
02:32:00,700 --> 02:32:08,620
be completed, okay, we'll be excavated, print, port, the footings port, the floor port,

1505
02:32:08,980 --> 02:32:14,840
with a section approximately 2 by 2 gem, approximately 2 by 2 with that pipe, may

1506
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:16,920
and sticking out of it still, okay?

1507
02:32:17,440 --> 02:32:20,160
We expect to be able to get that fourth clean test in January.

1508
02:32:21,460 --> 02:32:26,460
Once we have that fourth clean test, then the environmental engineer can submit to

1509
02:32:26,460 --> 02:32:29,980
deep for, I think it's just a closure of it.

1510
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:31,120
Yeah.

1511
02:32:31,780 --> 02:32:37,340
For a closure letter, which we would expect to receive with the fourth clean test, and at

1512
02:32:37,340 --> 02:32:42,280
that point, that well, that well can be removed, so we will remove that well and I plan

1513
02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:51,580
and saw a new well, right in this area right here in this grass area, okay? So still have a

1514
02:32:51,580 --> 02:32:58,980
monitoring well on site. I'd like to have one. It's good to have it. So that's the plan for that

1515
02:32:58,980 --> 02:33:03,200
well. And then, like I said, they make that patch kit. I believe they've u asked about that earlier

1516
02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:13,600
today and it's, you know, Jim Senate will provide that to David with how that patch is performed.

1517
02:33:16,380 --> 02:33:22,840
Just a point of personal preference, please don't use laser pointers on that screen because

1518
02:33:22,840 --> 02:33:24,280
they're reflex over here.

1519
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:25,760
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't really notice.

1520
02:33:25,920 --> 02:33:27,940
Didn't hit us this time, but it's happened before.

1521
02:33:28,180 --> 02:33:28,300
Okay.

1522
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:29,540
My apologies.

1523
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:36,040
Yeah, if you use the pointer on the screen, like the arrow on your, oh, she has it.

1524
02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:39,880
Yeah, if you still run out of what the point to, it's safe with my policies.

1525
02:33:42,300 --> 02:33:45,580
And also, anybody watching out home can't see it either.

1526
02:33:49,080 --> 02:33:50,600
Mr. Chairman, mayors, anything touch on their opinion?

1527
02:33:50,600 --> 02:33:53,040
Yeah, if you do an intro and then go for it.

1528
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:53,240
Sure.

1529
02:33:53,420 --> 02:33:56,440
Brendan Chan from Ship and Goa representing the applicant.

1530
02:33:57,440 --> 02:34:01,000
I just want to clarify that the state's heat-up standard regulations require

1531
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:04,540
are four quarters of groundwater monitoring results

1532
02:34:04,540 --> 02:34:06,540
that comply with the criteria of the two-year period.

1533
02:34:06,980 --> 02:34:08,420
The purpose of the regulation is to come

1534
02:34:08,420 --> 02:34:10,760
for seasonal variability in the groundwater monitoring wells.

1535
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:15,280
And the department prefers that monitoring wells

1536
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,100
not be taken out of the program

1537
02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:19,480
and replace with other wells during that period.

1538
02:34:19,540 --> 02:34:22,280
So the purpose of preserving the well in the building

1539
02:34:23,020 --> 02:34:25,000
is to be continuing to compare, you know,

1540
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:27,040
like for like, through the course of the monitor.

1541
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:28,720
And then as Mr. Gallo indicated,

1542
02:34:29,380 --> 02:34:39,980
Once that compliance monitoring, as it's called as complete, that well can you remove and replace with a new downgrading and monitoring, well, to be there, you know, if it's ever needed during the life of the use of property.

1543
02:34:41,320 --> 02:34:42,320
Thank you.

1544
02:34:47,870 --> 02:34:48,050
Okay.

1545
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:55,250
And then the only other question I have is, is I know a form of member here will always ask.

1546
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:57,710
Snow room, snow movement.

1547
02:34:58,470 --> 02:35:05,930
I'm assuming, because you've got the large amount of green space on the Western edge, that's

1548
02:35:05,930 --> 02:35:07,130
where it's all going to go, I'm assuming.

1549
02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:08,170
I would.

1550
02:35:08,170 --> 02:35:08,410
Thanks.

1551
02:35:08,570 --> 02:35:08,970
Oh, yes.

1552
02:35:09,430 --> 02:35:09,850
Got it.

1553
02:35:11,910 --> 02:35:15,870
Any questions comments from anybody on the commission on this application?

1554
02:35:18,580 --> 02:35:19,540
Yeah, Mr. Pearls.

1555
02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:20,380
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1556
02:35:21,540 --> 02:35:23,540
So you talked a little bit about secondary containment.

1557
02:35:24,380 --> 02:35:31,600
So, I know when you're playing, you talk about 110% containment on any kind of storage vessel.

1558
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:36,640
So, is that exist on every type of tank that you have in the facility?

1559
02:35:36,900 --> 02:35:38,600
On the new tanks we'll have that.

1560
02:35:38,600 --> 02:35:43,400
Actually, every type of tank we'll have that, except for the waste oil tank.

1561
02:35:43,620 --> 02:35:47,060
And the reason for the waste oil tank is the waste oil tank is a larger size tank.

1562
02:35:47,500 --> 02:35:52,700
These double wall tanks at one point I didn't think I was going to be able to use because it couldn't source.

1563
02:35:52,700 --> 02:36:00,240
So we found a source, Roth tanks, that we're going to use, but it's a 275 gallon tank.

1564
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:03,820
It's not big enough, as if we use as a waste of a tank.

1565
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:07,340
So we're going to use a steel tank in that scenario.

1566
02:36:18,420 --> 02:36:23,920
So there is secondary containment as well, with the cradle, the sealed epoxy and the liner.

1567
02:36:24,140 --> 02:36:29,120
So you're claiming the liner for the building as the secondary containment for that container?

1568
02:36:29,120 --> 02:36:35,980
No, the seal the proxy floor is, is the, um, the line goes under the, under the, right, floor.

1569
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:42,140
So you're claiming the epoxy floor is secondary containment. Is that accurate? Yes, and correct.

1570
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:48,080
And the correct. Yes, it's a place that we're still dead. We're going to grab the chain to clarify, though,

1571
02:36:48,140 --> 02:36:51,980
the way still tank, when I'll get double wall tank, all the other tanks will be double wall tanks.

1572
02:36:52,500 --> 02:36:56,880
Right. Each of the tanks will be in a secondary containment cradle. Yes. And then,

1573
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:58,840
which is above the epoxy forward, which is above the liner.

1574
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:00,660
So, we'll have a secondary containment cradle,

1575
02:37:01,020 --> 02:37:02,280
the epoxy forward and the liner.

1576
02:37:02,540 --> 02:37:05,140
Right, so each of those cradles at the end,

1577
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:06,780
are they 110% capacity?

1578
02:37:07,780 --> 02:37:08,040
Yes.

1579
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:08,780
Yes.

1580
02:37:08,780 --> 02:37:09,200
There you are.

1581
02:37:09,500 --> 02:37:09,560
Yes.

1582
02:37:11,220 --> 02:37:13,240
Sorry, the confusion between the wall and secondary.

1583
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:15,000
Yeah, it's two different protections,

1584
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:20,220
but you're clearly in the report that you're a 110% secondary containment.

1585
02:37:20,900 --> 02:37:21,060
Correct.

1586
02:37:21,420 --> 02:37:23,420
Because again, double wall containers are great,

1587
02:37:23,620 --> 02:37:25,700
but if you don't notice the first one,

1588
02:37:25,700 --> 02:37:29,980
The first layer going and the second layer just goes on a night

1589
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:35,280
And then all of a sudden you flooded. The tanks actually have indicators and they will be regular inspections. Right.

1590
02:37:36,040 --> 02:37:42,220
Right. Yeah. But it's, but that, that requires someone's seen. So if something happens to a double all container.

1591
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:48,080
I don't know how it could happen, but say theoretically, you were to break, then you'd have a spill.

1592
02:37:48,480 --> 02:37:58,600
110% containment is like if that tank ruptures and fails, you still have it with 10% despair. Right. So that's why I'm trying to just understand.

1593
02:37:58,600 --> 02:38:03,140
if you actually do have a hundred ten percent secondary containment on all the

1594
02:38:03,140 --> 02:38:04,500
best of the sounds like you do.

1595
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:05,280
Yes, we do.

1596
02:38:06,380 --> 02:38:06,760
All right.

1597
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:12,340
I think that's it. So the waiting area for this is in the back side of the building

1598
02:38:12,340 --> 02:38:16,080
kind of in between two of the bay doors. Is that right?

1599
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:19,620
Do you see where it says 25.33 in the top?

1600
02:38:19,940 --> 02:38:21,680
Is it right in there?

1601
02:38:21,720 --> 02:38:23,340
Yep. That's the waiting area.

1602
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:27,480
Right. So to enter that, so the cars are going to come down to the south part of the

1603
02:38:27,480 --> 02:38:33,500
But people would step out of their cars while they're in the queue and then go in that door.

1604
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:37,940
The vehicle will enter here.

1605
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:39,720
See you around here.

1606
02:38:40,180 --> 02:38:41,460
This is a subsurface.

1607
02:38:42,140 --> 02:38:43,420
We'll be in Blaine's pull around.

1608
02:38:43,820 --> 02:38:44,260
Pull up to the door.

1609
02:38:44,380 --> 02:38:44,820
They get out.

1610
02:38:44,980 --> 02:38:46,140
There's an entrance here.

1611
02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:47,340
They walk in.

1612
02:38:47,560 --> 02:38:48,700
Men's a woman's restaurant.

1613
02:38:49,420 --> 02:38:50,700
A green area here.

1614
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:51,640
And then a wrap around.

1615
02:38:52,700 --> 02:38:53,100
Waiting area.

1616
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:02,860
And then there's also an exit on the north side.

1617
02:39:02,860 --> 02:39:05,080
building where they would meet their car, right?

1618
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:07,340
I can point they come out here.

1619
02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:15,360
I'm sorry, but can you just stay by the microphone for the record and I can show, so where is it?

1620
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:16,480
A lot of rules up here.

1621
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:17,720
A lot of rules.

1622
02:39:21,690 --> 02:39:23,530
Okay, you're just to go with the flow with these guys.

1623
02:39:23,530 --> 02:39:27,030
Yeah, so just to summarize what you said, so they do pull around to the south side.

1624
02:39:27,050 --> 02:39:29,290
They go through the south entrance door.

1625
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:32,330
They go on the way to the room, which is in kind of the northwest corner of the building.

1626
02:39:32,330 --> 02:39:37,650
and then there's a door kind of in that northeast corner right there where they go out and meet their vehicle.

1627
02:39:38,390 --> 02:39:39,350
So, okay.

1628
02:39:39,350 --> 02:39:40,390
Five to six point three.

1629
02:39:40,770 --> 02:39:44,950
And that seems to like to be the safest for pedestrians in the area.

1630
02:39:45,470 --> 02:39:48,610
Based on the experience that you have at other auto-loop places.

1631
02:39:48,890 --> 02:39:49,130
Correct.

1632
02:39:49,230 --> 02:39:50,630
The site will fall very nicely.

1633
02:39:54,540 --> 02:39:54,680
Okay.

1634
02:39:54,980 --> 02:39:55,540
That's all I have.

1635
02:39:55,600 --> 02:39:56,400
Thank you.

1636
02:40:03,350 --> 02:40:06,430
I'm scrolling back up to where I can see when I'm looking out again.

1637
02:40:14,200 --> 02:40:14,640
Okay.

1638
02:40:21,470 --> 02:40:23,990
somebody telling me it's time to go.

1639
02:40:24,490 --> 02:40:25,910
Or that there's a story.

1640
02:40:27,570 --> 02:40:27,990
Yes.

1641
02:40:31,220 --> 02:40:33,020
It might be the name or behind me, but it's nothing.

1642
02:40:34,340 --> 02:40:39,700
OK, so dumpster is going to have an enclosure.

1643
02:40:40,460 --> 02:40:40,860
Correct.

1644
02:40:41,360 --> 02:40:43,800
And after towns, we get originally put a chain length fence

1645
02:40:43,800 --> 02:40:45,360
with the slats in it.

1646
02:40:45,420 --> 02:40:47,320
The towns request we change it to a white vinyl.

1647
02:40:48,100 --> 02:40:48,240
OK.

1648
02:40:50,360 --> 02:40:53,500
Is it a three-cider for side-type item?

1649
02:40:53,500 --> 02:40:56,740
It's going to be three sides of the gates on the front.

1650
02:40:56,980 --> 02:40:59,900
We'll still be chained length with the slats and put the vinyl.

1651
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:01,420
We'll be three sides of it.

1652
02:41:01,860 --> 02:41:03,320
A vinyl gate just will not.

1653
02:41:03,580 --> 02:41:05,140
Just won't hold up.

1654
02:41:06,160 --> 02:41:06,360
Thanks.

1655
02:41:06,820 --> 02:41:07,120
Thanks.

1656
02:41:07,160 --> 02:41:07,700
Thanks for guys, all right.

1657
02:41:09,900 --> 02:41:10,340
Very gentle.

1658
02:41:13,140 --> 02:41:13,240
Yeah.

1659
02:41:13,500 --> 02:41:16,680
This is that the gates going in and out are the ones to take the abuse of the whole time.

1660
02:41:17,640 --> 02:41:18,080
Okay.

1661
02:41:22,850 --> 02:41:24,810
You know, three feet on those.

1662
02:41:32,980 --> 02:41:36,540
On the items, I know there's a little bit of grading that you're going to do over

1663
02:41:36,540 --> 02:41:42,280
the green area, removing a bunch of those cement, Jersey barriers that are all on there.

1664
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:47,960
Other than the Jersey barriers, which I figure is going to have to go off site.

1665
02:41:48,620 --> 02:41:52,300
Any other soil or anything else going off site for this area is just going to

1666
02:41:52,300 --> 02:41:55,820
grade and use that to complete the grade as you go.

1667
02:41:59,310 --> 02:42:00,230
And we will be importing.

1668
02:42:00,910 --> 02:42:02,930
We'll actually be bringing soil in.

1669
02:42:05,250 --> 02:42:05,850
Best practice.

1670
02:42:06,470 --> 02:42:07,430
And, et cetera.

1671
02:42:11,090 --> 02:42:17,330
And I say, I do like the fact that you're going to revitalize and re-establish the green space

1672
02:42:17,330 --> 02:42:24,330
in there and abutting the town land and the property in the corner very much appreciated

1673
02:42:24,330 --> 02:42:24,930
on that.

1674
02:42:24,930 --> 02:42:30,790
In the fact that we're also working on a much smaller retaining wall.

1675
02:42:31,710 --> 02:42:41,810
And then all of the impervious pavement and roof flows is going to go into the detention

1676
02:42:43,210 --> 02:42:53,190
as a little bit of cleaning, I'm assuming there's a separation, separators in there,

1677
02:42:53,270 --> 02:43:00,850
and then overflow goes out into the town storm water on deep oak.

1678
02:43:01,630 --> 02:43:22,030
Cancun with JR, who associates, where the siblings needed the drainage design, all the runoff from the roofs of the page, the development area will be collected, run through one of two hydrodynamic separators to be cleaned, then directed to the sub-surface area for detention, prior to discharge to the state system and deep upstream.

1679
02:43:22,030 --> 02:43:22,550
Okay.

1680
02:43:30,470 --> 02:43:33,850
And then, and then all the, I'm assuming all the regular grass is just going to

1681
02:43:34,630 --> 02:43:37,950
perk and flow into that what would normally happen.

1682
02:43:38,370 --> 02:43:38,390
Okay.

1683
02:43:38,390 --> 02:43:41,970
And that will be irrigated the one over here. It would be an irrigation system as well.

1684
02:43:46,700 --> 02:43:48,280
Any other questions out of the commission?

1685
02:43:52,220 --> 02:43:52,320
Okay.

1686
02:43:52,860 --> 02:43:54,600
Any comments from town staff?

1687
02:43:58,360 --> 02:44:05,860
Mr. Chair, we have only minor and technical comments at this point regarding the

1688
02:44:05,860 --> 02:44:12,640
application. Our engineering department has one comment having to do with just

1689
02:44:13,880 --> 02:44:21,840
revising the plan to show this one view point, whatever that means. I'm not even sure.

1690
02:44:22,260 --> 02:44:29,400
With regards to the voter connection. And then Mr. Lailupah had a question with regards to the monitoring

1691
02:44:29,400 --> 02:44:38,160
well that is shown underneath the building, which I believe the applicant has answered that

1692
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:43,960
question and if you are satisfied with that answer, that's probably something that can be

1693
02:44:43,960 --> 02:44:52,020
removed. I had sent an email today to Mr. Gala and the other members of his application team

1694
02:44:53,220 --> 02:44:59,920
outlining those two outstanding comments, so they're aware and they know that should the commission proceed by approving.

1695
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:10,740
Sublication tonight, we expect planned divisions to address the engineering comment at this point.

1696
02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:11,660
Okay.

1697
02:45:16,770 --> 02:45:23,530
As part of our emails that we received as information for background, there was one email submitted for

1698
02:45:26,160 --> 02:45:31,960
review for public comment. Was there anything else to be besides that one?

1699
02:45:31,960 --> 02:45:34,460
Well, yes, in response to that.

1700
02:45:34,660 --> 02:45:58,140
So there was a public comment that was submitted by Mr. Hase, which essentially had asked the commission to consider requiring that the applicant removes what Mr. Hase is concerning spoils, like the topsoil that is excavated as a part of this project.

1701
02:45:59,280 --> 02:46:08,140
In, we had sent that comment to the commission, but we also, as is normal practice, send that comment to the applicant.

1702
02:46:08,500 --> 02:46:17,900
In response to that, the applicant has provided a letter from Martin Brug Brug, who is licensed environmental practitioner.

1703
02:46:17,900 --> 02:46:28,900
There we go, who had responded to that, so he's here, so he can, he can, I suppose, answer that.

1704
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:41,450
Those were the two correspondence that we received after, after I send the packet to you.

1705
02:46:41,970 --> 02:46:42,110
All right.

1706
02:46:42,110 --> 02:46:43,870
And for the record, again, we're going to run the chain,

1707
02:46:44,010 --> 02:46:45,510
I'm sure we're going to go under at the end of the applicant.

1708
02:46:46,590 --> 02:46:48,230
The letter we provide is from Bervie.

1709
02:46:48,610 --> 02:46:50,390
Bervie is a licensed environmental professional.

1710
02:46:51,250 --> 02:46:53,610
For those of you who are not familiar with licensed environmental professionals

1711
02:46:55,930 --> 02:46:59,950
are experienced consultants regulated by independent board of examiners.

1712
02:47:00,390 --> 02:47:02,290
It's subject to a set of rules of professional conduct.

1713
02:47:02,290 --> 02:47:11,330
at 23A, 133B, 6D1 of the regulations of candidates and state agencies, I'd like to pull out

1714
02:47:11,330 --> 02:47:15,470
one particular rule, which is that in rendering professional services, and I'll leave

1715
02:47:15,470 --> 02:47:20,630
a few shot at all times, hold Panama. The human safety, I'm sorry, hold Panama, the health

1716
02:47:20,630 --> 02:47:24,010
safety and welfare of the public and the environment. So this is a professional's health

1717
02:47:24,010 --> 02:47:29,110
of a very high standard. Mr. Brogey's letter summarizes the remediation done on site,

1718
02:47:29,110 --> 02:47:34,770
indicating that fluid of soil is removed and replaced with clean soil, and areas where we

1719
02:47:34,770 --> 02:47:40,550
need to filter under the undergaraged tank program and by the property order, and states

1720
02:47:40,550 --> 02:47:48,850
this conclusion that to remove that soil, that clean soil from the site, disposal, and

1721
02:47:48,850 --> 02:47:52,570
unnecessary hardship on the developers and states that in this professional opinion, as

1722
02:47:52,570 --> 02:47:56,290
it kind of get licensed environment on professional. There's no basis for the requests for

1723
02:48:00,790 --> 02:48:16,270
So just very quickly, just on setting that foundation, if I remember right, I know at least in that, that tall and turnpike corner where the old tanks used to be, it was a little rocky in a little ledgy.

1724
02:48:18,570 --> 02:48:26,270
Are you expecting to go, need to go into that in order to put the foundation down, and because I know you need to go a little bit further down,

1725
02:48:26,270 --> 02:48:32,110
in order to accomplish the back-tubbing is the best word I can use.

1726
02:48:32,610 --> 02:48:33,250
Yeah, I believe.

1727
02:48:35,390 --> 02:48:38,250
So, again, Tim Kuhn, the chair of the Sun Associates,

1728
02:48:38,830 --> 02:48:40,670
that if you look at our reading plan closely,

1729
02:48:40,950 --> 02:48:45,950
you would compare the existing characters to the proposed building

1730
02:48:45,950 --> 02:48:47,930
floor elevations and putting elevations.

1731
02:48:48,350 --> 02:48:52,990
There is a little bit of cut, basically, on the north side of the building

1732
02:48:52,990 --> 02:48:57,530
and on the south side, most everything is still.

1733
02:48:57,770 --> 02:49:01,030
We're very shallow into the existing grade for the most part,

1734
02:49:01,590 --> 02:49:02,210
for the foundation.

1735
02:49:02,970 --> 02:49:06,250
Okay, Brother Shannon again, Mr. Rugby's letter in the case

1736
02:49:06,250 --> 02:49:08,110
that in the areas that were remediated,

1737
02:49:08,130 --> 02:49:10,150
excavations took it down to the bedrock,

1738
02:49:10,250 --> 02:49:11,650
and then clean fill was placed from the bedrock

1739
02:49:11,650 --> 02:49:12,910
to the current grade. Correct.

1740
02:49:13,370 --> 02:49:14,530
Yeah, I read that.

1741
02:49:14,870 --> 02:49:18,110
I just, again, it's half the time my questions are.

1742
02:49:18,250 --> 02:49:20,730
It's public hearing, and I need somebody to say it out loud.

1743
02:49:24,890 --> 02:49:38,860
Okay, so yeah, so per question answer that the vast majority of what you're going to need to move around for foundation is

1744
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:43,720
included in the clean fill that was put in as part of the remediation originally.

1745
02:49:43,960 --> 02:49:44,840
Correct, okay.

1746
02:49:45,340 --> 02:49:45,800
Thank you.

1747
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:47,740
That works for me.

1748
02:49:54,320 --> 02:49:56,700
Anything else from you guys before I do public comment?

1749
02:49:57,220 --> 02:50:06,040
I would just like to say that also I believe you received it in your packet but the economic development commission Gary did send the letter supporting this project.

1750
02:50:08,010 --> 02:50:09,110
I hope please get that.

1751
02:50:09,170 --> 02:50:11,490
Yeah, that was in the packet. Thank you.

1752
02:50:13,810 --> 02:50:14,690
All right.

1753
02:50:16,210 --> 02:50:20,750
If there was, I think I did call it once but I'll ask it again to make sure I get it.

1754
02:50:20,810 --> 02:50:24,370
If there was anybody in the public who wished to speak to this application.

1755
02:50:35,560 --> 02:50:36,360
Welcome back.

1756
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:42,160
I'm strongly opposed to the application.

1757
02:50:42,980 --> 02:50:45,000
This is our drinking water source underneath

1758
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:46,520
stratified directly.

1759
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:52,320
We've dealt with the car wash and I think this is really

1760
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:55,120
outrageous that even the commission would consider

1761
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:58,960
an oil change facility that could actually introduce

1762
02:50:58,960 --> 02:51:01,060
pollutants into our drinking water.

1763
02:51:01,540 --> 02:51:05,760
And I think it's an injustice to the residents here

1764
02:51:05,760 --> 02:51:13,620
town of Manchester. For the reason being several things, nothing is hoped for. This is a

1765
02:51:13,620 --> 02:51:21,900
contamination source and portal change. So we talk about, yes, the building interior, all these

1766
02:51:21,900 --> 02:51:29,580
safeguards are in place, but we don't talk about during fuel transfer, overfilling a storage

1767
02:51:29,580 --> 02:51:36,720
host this connecting ruptures, improper gauging, looser missing connections, and we're going to have

1768
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:45,760
daily deliveries of oil. Then we have during transit vehicle rollovers, collisions, equipment,

1769
02:51:46,520 --> 02:51:52,630
wear and tear. This is happening daily. They're going to be moving waste oil. They're going to be delivering oil.

1770
02:51:53,960 --> 02:51:57,720
And why do we want to take this risk with our drinking water source?

1771
02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:01,840
I really think it's an injustice to think of us.

1772
02:52:01,980 --> 02:52:07,580
We spent money, we had, you mentioned, the safety improvements for this is like the worst

1773
02:52:08,540 --> 02:52:12,700
intersection, a talent-term pipeline and an attitude.

1774
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:20,500
We applied for money, the town executed a wonderful project, included bike lanes, and

1775
02:52:20,500 --> 02:52:27,140
islands, bus stops, and yet we are trying to introduce more traffic into this area, going

1776
02:52:27,140 --> 02:52:29,960
into an oil change facility? I really...

1777
02:52:31,060 --> 02:52:59,980
That's unbelievable. And then we have existing monitoring levels. We know there's contamination onsite now. We hope that it will be cleaned up. There's no guarantee. We have two quarters of monitoring. We don't know what the next quarters will be. So, it hasn't been verified. It hasn't been closed. But yet, this commission wants to entertain an oil chain facility. I'll rent it by this. I really am truly outraged.

1778
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:16,560
And I was truly outraged by the approval of the act of protection, registration, very, if there was a public hearing, I would have been here and would have been here with others, but unfortunately there was no public hearing with that registration or renewal.

1779
02:53:18,420 --> 02:53:27,820
I think you really need to consider that this is our drinking water. You can't get it back once it's contaminated. You have to then you'll have more remediation.

1780
02:53:28,360 --> 02:53:35,380
Nothing is full-proof, the applicant may, you know, you know, all these safeguards, but nothing is full-proof.

1781
02:53:35,700 --> 02:53:40,920
I just named all these things and the fact that we're going to have, I think the traffic estimates are low.

1782
02:53:41,200 --> 02:53:43,120
This has been the business intersection.

1783
02:53:43,740 --> 02:53:49,000
That's why we need a traffic reduction program that was put into place.

1784
02:53:49,020 --> 02:53:53,040
And it's still very busy. And now we're going to be having left-handed,

1785
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:58,960
the coming from the left plane, but that would be west, westbound, and then we have eastbound.

1786
02:53:59,580 --> 02:54:03,520
I'm strongly opposed, and I'm outraged that it has gotten this far.

1787
02:54:04,240 --> 02:54:05,300
Those are my comments.

1788
02:54:05,880 --> 02:54:06,940
Do you have any questions for me?

1789
02:54:06,960 --> 02:54:07,740
I'll be happy to answer.

1790
02:54:19,710 --> 02:54:20,590
Mr. Pros.

1791
02:54:21,490 --> 02:54:22,570
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1792
02:54:22,670 --> 02:54:24,210
I had a question for staff.

1793
02:54:25,370 --> 02:54:33,030
So when we were, there was a proposal for a car wash at this location, and a

1794
02:54:33,030 --> 02:54:38,470
staff brought up a lot of concerns about the fact that it's in the aquifer protection agency.

1795
02:54:39,810 --> 02:54:41,610
It's the aquifer protection area.

1796
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:46,110
But I don't see that type of concern for this application.

1797
02:54:46,310 --> 02:54:52,970
Is there something fundamentally different about this use that we're not as concerned about impacts the aquifer?

1798
02:54:54,290 --> 02:55:05,890
So the largest concern for the car wash was 100% containment of the water coming off of the car,

1799
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:18,770
basically, the concern was, so the car wash application was trying to, is an application not to become a registered facility,

1800
02:55:18,770 --> 02:55:29,290
but become identified, recognized as a facility not needing to be registered. So within the

1801
02:55:29,290 --> 02:55:40,070
aquifer regulations, if a car wash contains the wastewater from the facility into

1802
02:55:40,070 --> 02:55:47,270
the system, the town system, then it doesn't have to be registered. The concern that was raised

1803
02:55:47,270 --> 02:55:50,930
by this commission was that there was not 100% capture

1804
02:55:50,930 --> 02:55:53,290
of the water coming off the cars,

1805
02:55:53,530 --> 02:55:58,310
so that it didn't qualify to be exempt from registration.

1806
02:55:59,130 --> 02:56:01,610
And there was no discussion about a late registration

1807
02:56:01,610 --> 02:56:04,870
in that instance, because it was understood

1808
02:56:04,870 --> 02:56:06,350
that that was not an option.

1809
02:56:09,740 --> 02:56:14,060
I think that clarifies what I was trying to remember.

1810
02:56:14,340 --> 02:56:17,940
I think it was the fact that they were claiming

1811
02:56:17,940 --> 02:56:25,890
that there would be no process water that would remain on the vehicle as it left, and therefore

1812
02:56:25,890 --> 02:56:27,250
wouldn't get into storm water drains.

1813
02:56:27,470 --> 02:56:32,950
So I think what is different in this situation is that an oil change you should be putting

1814
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:41,610
in the oil cap, and there shouldn't be any tripping oil as the car leaves the bay, is that correct?

1815
02:56:41,930 --> 02:56:43,890
Is that the difference between these two applications?

1816
02:56:44,010 --> 02:56:49,170
Yeah, that's essentially the difference that the concern about the car wash was dripage coming

1817
02:56:49,170 --> 02:56:57,090
But cars back a pickup trucks that have the water within that are spilling out and then in an oil change operation

1818
02:56:57,090 --> 02:57:02,110
There should be no dripage if it's done correctly.

1819
02:57:02,310 --> 02:57:06,750
Like you said, putting the cap on the oil tank.

1820
02:57:08,410 --> 02:57:17,430
And because the this proposal is within the building, if there are if there is dripage during the process,

1821
02:57:17,430 --> 02:57:19,670
It should be contained within the building

1822
02:57:23,090 --> 02:57:28,550
I think I think I don't I don't know that we talk too much about stormwater management

1823
02:57:28,550 --> 02:57:31,750
With the applicant, but that might be something to just

1824
02:57:33,510 --> 02:57:37,170
Re-clarify about what type of protections exist in that system

1825
02:57:37,870 --> 02:57:41,270
That would be something I'd be interested in hearing more about in public hearing

1826
02:57:54,500 --> 02:57:58,960
one of two hydrodynamic separators, these hydrodynamic separators,

1827
02:57:59,600 --> 02:58:04,220
remove total suspended solids, which is what most of your contaminants are here to.

1828
02:58:04,960 --> 02:58:12,760
I believe based on the very small flow rates and the size of these structures, both of them approach.

1829
02:58:13,160 --> 02:58:18,520
I believe between 98 and 99% removal of total suspended solids,

1830
02:58:18,520 --> 02:58:32,920
They will also be equipped with absorbents to take out the oil and floatables and floatable oils that may or may not come out into the parking lot from cars or other vehicles there.

1831
02:58:33,140 --> 02:58:42,700
So all that that provides the treatment and then from there it goes into the detention which is a solid system.

1832
02:58:42,700 --> 02:58:52,680
There's no infiltration through this system, so there's no, no, we charge to the groundwater if you will because we know that this site is sensitive

1833
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:57,940
when we got for protection area, and it's just connected to the stormwater down in the deep ocean.

1834
02:58:59,920 --> 02:59:02,940
Sorry, could you show on the site?

1835
02:59:03,060 --> 02:59:09,440
Maybe just have or not a point to where the catch basins are and where the 200 dynamic separators would be.

1836
02:59:09,440 --> 02:59:13,720
the actual catch patients act, they are hydrodynamic separators within this.

1837
02:59:14,300 --> 02:59:15,360
Okay, so there's just two.

1838
02:59:15,580 --> 02:59:17,060
Just the two.

1839
02:59:17,100 --> 02:59:19,360
There's the only catch basins on site.

1840
02:59:19,420 --> 02:59:19,520
Yep.

1841
02:59:20,600 --> 02:59:20,740
Okay.

1842
02:59:20,740 --> 02:59:22,200
And they collect all the water.

1843
02:59:26,560 --> 02:59:27,440
Where are those at?

1844
02:59:27,560 --> 02:59:28,420
So here.

1845
02:59:30,620 --> 02:59:31,860
And on the five and on the seven.

1846
02:59:34,400 --> 02:59:34,640
All right.

1847
02:59:34,700 --> 02:59:35,400
Thank you.

1848
02:59:38,350 --> 02:59:41,830
And then one other clarification for Mr. Gallo.

1849
02:59:42,790 --> 02:59:44,790
If you click very quickly.

1850
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:48,010
Any at all work is all the way inside the building, all right.

1851
02:59:50,270 --> 02:59:52,130
Not, can you put the floor plan?

1852
02:59:53,090 --> 02:59:55,350
Um, just,

1853
02:59:55,970 --> 02:59:56,190
uh, curiosity.

1854
02:59:56,630 --> 02:59:59,110
Where is, where would the,

1855
03:00:00,180 --> 03:00:20,600
Any of the tanks, because our floor plane that we have, is the working level floor plan, so I don't have anything about where your storage is, or where when you're receiving on the fill, I don't think that's actually listed, I didn't see it listed on any of the plans that I have in front of me.

1856
03:00:20,600 --> 03:00:20,860
Okay.

1857
03:00:26,220 --> 03:00:26,520
It's coming.

1858
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:27,920
I asked for floor plane rope.

1859
03:00:29,060 --> 03:00:29,500
Right there.

1860
03:00:29,660 --> 03:00:30,200
It's beautiful.

1861
03:00:33,410 --> 03:00:33,710
Pretty sick.

1862
03:00:33,830 --> 03:00:35,270
We beneath that waiting area.

1863
03:00:35,890 --> 03:00:36,550
Where you were there?

1864
03:00:37,310 --> 03:00:39,890
That's the exact footprint of the basement, as well as the upstairs.

1865
03:00:41,450 --> 03:00:45,970
So that area beneath the waiting area is where the tanks will be.

1866
03:00:47,250 --> 03:00:49,190
So all the fill points.

1867
03:00:49,370 --> 03:00:53,890
So when they come to fill a tank, they go to the tank and fill it in the basement in the cradle.

1868
03:00:53,890 --> 03:01:08,010
Okay, it's no fill outside, so there's a much lower chance of a spill by the customer receiving a home heating oil delivery, a gas station being refilled, anything along those lines.

1869
03:01:08,130 --> 03:01:11,070
Everything is filled in the basement at the tank.

1870
03:01:11,730 --> 03:01:12,830
That's very important.

1871
03:01:12,930 --> 03:01:22,690
Okay, so you're going to run a line into one of the bays and over to a tank or a fill and then sort of the same way for the waste collection.

1872
03:01:22,690 --> 03:01:27,910
the same time. They run a line down in there, it hooks up, and it's a back and it

1873
03:01:27,910 --> 03:01:32,750
backs the oil out. I suppose I didn't see anything on the

1874
03:01:33,730 --> 03:01:38,750
histories. On the general rules with deliveries, they're about every two weeks.

1875
03:01:39,030 --> 03:01:43,530
Distributors don't want to come every week to a site. So it's about every two

1876
03:01:43,530 --> 03:01:50,950
weeks. Again, all the connections are inside the building. This is a very low-use

1877
03:01:50,950 --> 03:01:52,330
traffic for this site.

1878
03:01:54,770 --> 03:01:57,990
I really, I can't think of anything that would be lower use

1879
03:01:57,990 --> 03:02:00,690
to be quite honest with you, and still be

1880
03:02:05,140 --> 03:02:06,120
feasible there.

1881
03:02:06,640 --> 03:02:09,980
I mean, 50 to 60 vehicles a day is a pretty low use

1882
03:02:09,980 --> 03:02:12,320
for retail site and a commercial corridor.

1883
03:02:16,890 --> 03:02:17,410
Thank you.

1884
03:02:17,890 --> 03:02:20,510
Yeah, yeah, no, that didn't, I just realized

1885
03:02:20,510 --> 03:02:23,910
that I didn't know where that information was going to be.

1886
03:02:23,910 --> 03:02:27,130
So, okay, I'll set

1887
03:02:31,640 --> 03:02:34,920
any last minute that's from commission.

1888
03:02:37,220 --> 03:02:38,840
Here you know, Mr. Kennedy.

1889
03:02:39,240 --> 03:02:40,680
Make a motion, close the public hearing.

1890
03:02:45,730 --> 03:02:49,050
Okay, I have a motion from Mr. Kennedy a second from Mr.

1891
03:02:49,130 --> 03:02:51,150
Process to close the public hearing.

1892
03:03:02,550 --> 03:03:05,770
A couple years in, I'll get this process down pretty well.

1893
03:03:06,750 --> 03:03:10,410
Anyway, all those in favor of closing the public hearing

1894
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:21,160
for EOC development for the,

1895
03:03:25,570 --> 03:03:33,930
I'm trying to read notes and I put my, again, under me, your testimony letters.

1896
03:03:35,570 --> 03:03:40,350
Okay. All those in favor of closing the third public hearing tonight for EOC development,

1897
03:03:40,350 --> 03:03:43,850
special exception PSE60-2026.

1898
03:03:44,650 --> 03:03:44,690
Hi.

1899
03:03:45,430 --> 03:03:45,670
Hi.

1900
03:03:45,910 --> 03:03:46,130
Hi.

1901
03:03:47,330 --> 03:03:48,970
I mean, it is.

1902
03:03:49,550 --> 03:03:51,250
And it stains the chair of both sides.

1903
03:03:51,410 --> 03:03:54,290
You know, on this public hearing, it is closed.

1904
03:03:54,810 --> 03:03:55,210
Thank you.

1905
03:03:55,430 --> 03:03:58,190
Would the body for help and get us to this point?

1906
03:03:58,990 --> 03:03:59,590
Mr. Chair.

1907
03:04:00,630 --> 03:04:01,770
Mr. Proves.

1908
03:04:01,910 --> 03:04:02,030
Yeah.

1909
03:04:02,030 --> 03:04:04,110
I propose a five-minute recess.

1910
03:04:05,870 --> 03:04:06,990
More than half of it.

1911
03:04:10,360 --> 03:04:11,240
And he's actually doing it.

1912
03:04:11,360 --> 03:04:11,600
No.

1913
03:04:11,900 --> 03:04:12,280
I can do so.

1914
03:04:12,620 --> 03:04:12,840
Yeah.

1915
03:04:12,840 --> 03:04:18,720
Yeah, five minute recesses, so we'll come back here at 10 o'clock.

1916
03:04:19,300 --> 03:04:20,380
Thank you everybody.

1917
03:06:33,650 --> 03:06:39,610
So I'm still going to set you on the job offer to go to chat with the public.

1918
03:06:40,310 --> 03:06:42,770
I don't know what I was saying to you.

1919
03:06:46,180 --> 03:06:46,880
I know, wow.

1920
03:06:47,620 --> 03:06:48,620
You know, my daughter.

1921
03:06:49,560 --> 03:06:50,760
My daughter was going to say a letter.

1922
03:06:51,240 --> 03:06:55,500
You know, my daughter didn't get her license until, uh, I think we're going to do this here.

1923
03:06:55,800 --> 03:06:57,380
And you like, you know.

1924
03:06:57,380 --> 03:06:59,500
It's not at some point what was she was going to do.

1925
03:06:59,500 --> 03:07:00,320
She was going to do it.

1926
03:07:00,320 --> 03:07:01,040
She was going to do it.

1927
03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:03,940
or maybe the main college masters,

1928
03:07:04,660 --> 03:07:06,280
which she waited quite a while,

1929
03:07:06,440 --> 03:07:07,960
she knows that I'm so interested in it.

1930
03:07:07,960 --> 03:07:08,860
Why do you see?

1931
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:11,720
You can wait until you get a dirty mirror up there.

1932
03:07:13,240 --> 03:07:13,960
I'll let you see.

1933
03:07:14,120 --> 03:07:14,860
I'm on it.

1934
03:07:14,900 --> 03:07:16,060
Can you pass that to this person?

1935
03:07:39,550 --> 03:07:41,130
.

1936
03:07:41,130 --> 03:07:41,190
.

1937
03:08:31,220 --> 03:08:32,500
I think everybody,

1938
03:08:45,420 --> 03:08:54,180
thanks for letting us take that quick break. Hopefully we'll get out of here, so that nobody has to worry about the suspension rules.

1939
03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:06,320
on the agenda items one and nine and two are still in public areas so we are not going to address those.

1940
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:11,660
Item number three for new business is the public area that we just completed for EEC development.

1941
03:09:12,220 --> 03:09:19,480
This is a special exception under Article 2, Section 4.2 and erosion and sedimentation control plan.

1942
03:09:19,480 --> 03:09:26,580
But the construction of a three bay quick loop and the emissions testing facility and associated

1943
03:09:26,580 --> 03:09:32,700
its second performance at 1076 and 1082 tall and turn bike in 15D boat.

1944
03:09:32,960 --> 03:09:40,340
This is for special exception, 60-2026, which was the public hearing, and then we also have,

1945
03:09:40,360 --> 03:09:45,620
as part of that, we have the erosion sedimentation control plan, 32-2026.

1946
03:09:46,040 --> 03:09:46,760
Mr. Kennedy.

1947
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:54,840
For EOC development, 1076 and 1082 talent turn plank in 15 depot streets, special exceptions,

1948
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:56,560
60 dash, 2026.

1949
03:09:57,460 --> 03:10:02,000
Make a motion you approve special exception on Article 2, Section 4.2, but construction

1950
03:10:02,000 --> 03:10:06,400
through the three bay, quick little bit of emissions, testing, facility, and all associated

1951
03:10:06,400 --> 03:10:13,880
site improvements in 1076, and 1082 talent turn plank in 15 depot streets with the condition

1952
03:10:13,880 --> 03:10:21,080
And as the engineering comment is specified in the statement, we're ending up from Rinal

1953
03:10:21,080 --> 03:10:26,680
of Rotality, Deputy Planning Director, dated September 21st, 206, reasonably purbulous

1954
03:10:26,680 --> 03:10:32,580
for both activities, especially in our section right here in our section 18.10.3.

1955
03:10:34,140 --> 03:10:34,460
Okay.

1956
03:10:34,940 --> 03:10:38,960
The motion is read by Mr. Kennedy and the second from Mr. Krauss.

1957
03:10:40,940 --> 03:10:46,180
for the special exception, 60, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.

1958
03:10:46,820 --> 03:10:47,460
Discussion.

1959
03:10:50,180 --> 03:10:52,900
Anyway, I think,

1960
03:10:55,270 --> 03:11:01,230
firstly, I think the reduction of the retaining law from A to 9,

1961
03:11:01,230 --> 03:11:05,610
if he'd done to three, he could say major improvement on ideas from here.

1962
03:11:07,430 --> 03:11:13,410
Applicant, he had this a very clean and solid answer to the monitoring laws, because this

1963
03:11:13,410 --> 03:11:17,910
is a known contaminated site.

1964
03:11:19,070 --> 03:11:25,750
It has a history with this commission, so I think that the additional better from

1965
03:11:25,750 --> 03:11:34,910
and incorporated in their professional staff, as well as the clear outline of how to address that.

1966
03:11:35,650 --> 03:11:38,430
It's been a very good, I like that other word.

1967
03:11:41,640 --> 03:11:44,060
I'm not 100%

1968
03:11:46,170 --> 03:11:53,710
satisfied on the traffic, but they did show the traffic count,

1969
03:11:53,710 --> 03:11:58,750
plus the proximity and the fact that it is on far

1970
03:11:58,750 --> 03:12:01,870
is an edge of a probably four time turn,

1971
03:12:02,190 --> 03:12:03,870
and it does get it passed away.

1972
03:12:04,130 --> 03:12:07,470
It's traditionally the queue going into the intersection,

1973
03:12:07,910 --> 03:12:10,710
and it's well passed the bus stop,

1974
03:12:12,250 --> 03:12:15,170
which does create a line size as you when the bus does come through,

1975
03:12:15,390 --> 03:12:20,650
but I think that location is functional.

1976
03:12:20,650 --> 03:12:21,730
So

1977
03:12:24,680 --> 03:12:33,240
there's a question in my go ahead and as Mr. Crosst asked, and was answered, the 110%

1978
03:12:33,240 --> 03:12:44,520
containment wells, tops on any of the storage tanks in the basement with the direct hose

1979
03:12:44,520 --> 03:12:48,980
line to connect for the fill and the removal.

1980
03:12:48,980 --> 03:12:59,880
I think that that can be done to decent job on addressing the concerns of any possible further

1981
03:12:59,880 --> 03:13:11,160
contamination of the scenario, I think by and large, you're meeting the needs of the special

1982
03:13:11,160 --> 03:13:17,220
exception for that. I do like the AR protection. It's not a big square.

1983
03:13:17,580 --> 03:13:20,100
It's a center block box that does have some texture.

1984
03:13:23,400 --> 03:13:27,120
The blue line is a nice touch.

1985
03:13:31,830 --> 03:13:37,390
As much as it's the other comment, alluded to the

1986
03:13:39,690 --> 03:13:40,290
overall protection,

1987
03:13:40,290 --> 03:13:48,450
is a separate item, personally denied agree with it, but we are here now, and I think based

1988
03:13:48,450 --> 03:13:59,740
on the application, I'm not finding a large item that we can use as a to say anything,

1989
03:14:00,040 --> 03:14:06,240
and it needs the requirements of the special exception, but any other discussion coming from

1990
03:14:06,240 --> 03:14:08,760
the folks on the commission of this request?

1991
03:14:08,760 --> 03:14:10,560
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1992
03:14:11,280 --> 03:14:34,880
I think it's a difficult site to have a use on obviously there's been lots of due diligence done for remediation of a penetration into the ground by contaminants and there's lots of environmental protections that are being put in place for this type of use, lots of redundancy.

1993
03:14:35,500 --> 03:14:50,880
So, I feel good that there's potential for this to work out well, you know, these are human beings, though, and this might not be, you know, the same company that owns this in five or ten years and you may be.

1994
03:14:51,960 --> 03:14:59,580
I think you have to consider that when you're looking at this type of use in the area is that, you know, just because we have an experienced applicant.

1995
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:26,600
We want to do it the right way, doesn't mean that once they move on to something else, the next, the next owner won't have the same due diligence and not follow all the rules that are in place, but I think that, you know, with the, with, with this type of use that there's usually a lot of eyes on it and hopefully this being in the acquisition zone, well, we'll raise enough scrutiny by people to make sure that things are done right.

1996
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:31,340
I'm also concerned about the traffic in the area and I know the traffic reports said that

1997
03:15:31,340 --> 03:15:36,120
there had been 18 accidents in the last three years in between Brooklyn Street and

1998
03:15:36,120 --> 03:15:40,700
intersection in the BJA's entrance. That's a lot and now we're expecting more people to

1999
03:15:40,700 --> 03:15:45,920
make left and right hand turns and cross the going across potentially four lanes of traffic

2000
03:15:45,920 --> 03:15:51,860
if they want to go north on Brooklyn Street. So I think this site organization, the site layout

2001
03:15:51,860 --> 03:15:54,000
isn't great for traffic flow.

2002
03:15:55,600 --> 03:16:00,380
But again, compared to what other uses could be there, usually, well, change of

2003
03:16:00,380 --> 03:16:03,960
appointments take, you know, 5, 10, 15 minutes.

2004
03:16:05,340 --> 03:16:11,560
So I don't expect there to be a large flow of cars going in and out, you figure there's

2005
03:16:11,560 --> 03:16:13,540
just a car leaving every few minutes.

2006
03:16:14,260 --> 03:16:17,540
They should have time and not a lot of pressure to pull out speedily.

2007
03:16:17,540 --> 03:16:32,140
So it's not an ideal site, I feel like this applicant has shown that they're doing everything the right way and that if things are done correctly, then it can be successful and safe operation.

2008
03:16:35,230 --> 03:16:36,070
Thank you, Mr. Pros.

2009
03:16:39,780 --> 03:16:51,500
I'm just, again, I noticed my light was red during my little monologue, so I'm hoping it was caught by somebody else's microphone.

2010
03:16:52,500 --> 03:16:58,420
But I think, as Mr. Russell alluded, that there's due diligence in there, but also because

2011
03:16:58,420 --> 03:17:03,460
we are, you are now under the rules and the auspices of the aquifer protection, plus

2012
03:17:04,080 --> 03:17:08,940
anything that deep would put on you for operating this type of establishment.

2013
03:17:11,620 --> 03:17:17,660
You know, due diligence says that you have a lot of people watching, you know, it'd be

2014
03:17:17,660 --> 03:17:42,780
nice to have that property functioning again, you know, and, you know, in improvements, it also raises a little bit of extra taxes on the business side, which is nice for the mill rate, especially if we grow the business side, you know, the residential side gets to go down just a touch.

2015
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:47,800
So, I think overall

2016
03:17:50,270 --> 03:17:51,910
it's in a decent place,

2017
03:17:53,970 --> 03:18:00,290
but it is a tough spot, but it's the nature of a growing town.

2018
03:18:02,750 --> 03:18:03,590
Any last minute?

2019
03:18:04,110 --> 03:18:12,870
So, all those, we have a motion and a second on the table, so for the special exception

2020
03:18:12,870 --> 03:18:19,250
PSE-60-2026 as read into the record, all those in favor.

2021
03:18:19,630 --> 03:18:20,170
Aye, aye.

2022
03:18:23,050 --> 03:18:24,050
Any nays?

2023
03:18:24,950 --> 03:18:25,170
Nay.

2024
03:18:26,850 --> 03:18:27,830
Any abstains?

2025
03:18:28,570 --> 03:18:35,150
The chairs and I, because we are split between here and online, I will do a verbal roll call.

2026
03:18:35,150 --> 03:18:43,590
And as tradition holds for me, I will go off the online first in order where you are on my list right now.

2027
03:18:45,210 --> 03:18:49,650
So, Ms. Brewer, Ms. Brewer is a nay.

2028
03:18:52,390 --> 03:18:57,990
Ms. Larson, Ms. Larson is an I, Ms. Sassan,

2029
03:19:00,110 --> 03:19:07,450
I, Ms. Van Buren, I, Mr.

2030
03:19:21,450 --> 03:19:33,760
The next item is the original sedimentation control plan, 32, 20, 26.

2031
03:19:38,240 --> 03:19:46,740
For EOC development, 1076 and 1082 tall and turn biking 15 depost street, erosion sedimentation

2032
03:19:46,740 --> 03:19:53,320
control plan, 32-2026, summit commotion to certify the erosion sedimentation control plan for

2033
03:19:53,320 --> 03:19:57,580
construction of a three bay quick-loop and emission testing facility in all associated

2034
03:19:57,580 --> 03:20:03,340
site improvements at 1076 and 1082 tall and turn biking 15 depost street.

2035
03:20:10,920 --> 03:20:15,200
The motion from Mr. Kennedy and a second from Mr. Prouse on

2036
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:18,760
Rogin's sedimentation control plan ESC-32-2026.

2037
03:20:20,220 --> 03:20:21,480
Any further discussion?

2038
03:20:28,810 --> 03:20:35,990
I wasn't touched very deeply on the public hearing, but the plans

2039
03:20:39,100 --> 03:20:44,860
as presented are fairly straightforward, much easier to deal with than

2040
03:20:44,860 --> 03:20:49,120
previous applications on here and that we don't have a very large

2041
03:20:49,120 --> 03:20:59,720
retaining law to put in, we have silt fence around the stockpile and on the edges of the property as needed.

2042
03:21:00,580 --> 03:21:06,420
I mean, Mr. Leop was going to be visible in present as we go through.

2043
03:21:07,400 --> 03:21:10,340
So it meets requirements and needs for the property.

2044
03:21:11,760 --> 03:21:12,440
Any other discussion?

2045
03:21:12,440 --> 03:21:13,500
Okay,

2046
03:21:16,080 --> 03:21:23,120
so for a rehearsal set of meditation control plan ESC 32 2026 for the motion as read in all those in favor.

2047
03:21:23,120 --> 03:21:23,760
Aye aye.

2048
03:21:25,100 --> 03:21:26,100
Any nays?

2049
03:21:27,480 --> 03:21:28,680
Any abstains?

2050
03:21:30,320 --> 03:21:31,420
Any other chair votes aye?

2051
03:21:31,580 --> 03:21:32,400
Because we are split.

2052
03:21:32,800 --> 03:21:34,940
We will do a roll call again

2053
03:21:39,450 --> 03:21:40,550
in order.

2054
03:21:42,390 --> 03:21:43,590
Ms. Brewer.

2055
03:21:43,910 --> 03:21:45,450
Ms. Brewer is a nay.

2056
03:21:46,850 --> 03:21:47,250
Ms. Larson.

2057
03:21:48,110 --> 03:22:01,530
I is an I, Ms. Van Viren, I is an I, Ms. Sassan, I, is an I, okay. In the building, Mr.

2058
03:22:01,650 --> 03:22:12,250
Prouse, I, is an I, Mr. Kennedy, I, is an I, is an I, the chair is also an I, so we are

2059
03:22:12,250 --> 03:22:14,170
7 to 1 in favor.

2060
03:22:14,390 --> 03:22:15,870
There is a 7-intention control plan.

2061
03:22:16,070 --> 03:22:17,890
ESC 32, 20, 26 passes.

2062
03:22:19,630 --> 03:22:20,350
Thank you, everybody.

2063
03:22:21,770 --> 03:22:22,870
Thank you, guys.

2064
03:22:23,230 --> 03:22:23,930
Thank you so much.

2065
03:22:24,110 --> 03:22:24,190
Thank you.

2066
03:22:25,370 --> 03:22:26,170
I get this off.

2067
03:22:26,930 --> 03:22:27,550
That's.

2068
03:22:27,890 --> 03:22:28,470
Next item.

2069
03:22:28,910 --> 03:22:29,970
A ton of Manchester 8.

2070
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:35,000
24 referral for 32 Main Street mandatory referral 622626.

2071
03:22:37,900 --> 03:22:40,340
Mr. Anderson? Yes, sir. Thank you. Good evening.

2072
03:22:41,540 --> 03:22:46,420
It's not me if you've heard this one before, but this is an A24 referral for the purchasing sale property.

2073
03:22:46,480 --> 03:22:51,000
In this case, selling property at 32 Main Street.

2074
03:22:52,680 --> 03:23:01,540
This is 32 Main Street. It's a former firehouse owned by the eighth district for many decades.

2075
03:23:01,540 --> 03:23:08,380
The town took this property on when the eighth district was dissolved in 2023.

2076
03:23:11,620 --> 03:23:17,060
It's a 0.18 acre property, it's zone industrial currently, it's been vacant, it has been

2077
03:23:17,060 --> 03:23:19,160
vacant for a long period of time.

2078
03:23:19,700 --> 03:23:24,340
As I mentioned, it served as a fire station for the eighth district, and it was referred

2079
03:23:24,340 --> 03:23:30,700
to the Board of Directors' repurposing committee in, well, after 2023 after the town purchased

2080
03:23:30,700 --> 03:23:43,620
that we sent out an RFP for proposals for the property. We had one respondent who is the individual

2081
03:23:43,620 --> 03:23:51,660
or the family that the town is looking to sell the property to. And for some reason, I'm not sure.

2082
03:23:51,660 --> 03:24:01,480
there it is, okay. So we received one response from local family or resident, the Firestone

2083
03:24:01,480 --> 03:24:06,080
family actually, the name you may recognize from other businesses in town.

2084
03:24:08,580 --> 03:24:08,960
The gentleman,

2085
03:24:09,160 --> 03:24:15,400
that Firestone actually is a niche manufacturer of hot rod components and install those,

2086
03:24:15,400 --> 03:24:23,640
creates those manufacturers them in a very, you know, small, small space and then install them

2087
03:24:23,640 --> 03:24:30,660
on cars. So this is sort of a niche auto-related manufacturing use, which, again, that's

2088
03:24:30,660 --> 03:24:34,420
not what we're talking about tonight, but just to give you more information about the proposal

2089
03:24:34,420 --> 03:24:43,580
for the site. Some of the pluses I think for the property are the new owner promises to keep this

2090
03:24:43,580 --> 03:24:44,940
work exterior the building.

2091
03:24:47,320 --> 03:24:52,520
He has promised to include support for local events, such as

2092
03:24:52,520 --> 03:24:59,860
the Peach Festival, such as Christmas tree sails and things like that that occur in that

2093
03:24:59,860 --> 03:25:06,540
area of town. This is on the corner of Hilliard and Maine. If you're familiar with that.

2094
03:25:11,060 --> 03:25:11,660
And

2095
03:25:11,660 --> 03:25:19,280
a thematic kind of display, both inside and outside of this store facility.

2096
03:25:23,080 --> 03:25:25,900
We're a little bit ahead of where we usually are on these things, the board of directors

2097
03:25:25,900 --> 03:25:31,500
is actually already authorized to purchase, or they're going to start the sale of the property

2098
03:25:31,500 --> 03:25:36,000
in August, pending, of course, the report by the Planning and his own commission.

2099
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:46,000
And as with any purchase or sale of town property, that's why we're here for a report from you all to the Board of Directors.

2100
03:25:46,900 --> 03:25:49,380
If you have any questions and I'd be to answer those.

2101
03:25:52,120 --> 03:25:55,740
Does the building actually have a historic destination to it?

2102
03:25:55,880 --> 03:25:57,140
This is not actually an honor.

2103
03:25:57,160 --> 03:25:59,860
This is an honor system to preserve.

2104
03:26:00,980 --> 03:26:02,820
I'd say more of the second.

2105
03:26:03,220 --> 03:26:05,820
It's not part of the Union Village Historic District.

2106
03:26:05,820 --> 03:26:09,600
It's actually to the south of that, and it's not named as an individual property.

2107
03:26:10,240 --> 03:26:16,420
But obviously there are pieces of denorethen that were lost, you know, unfortunately due to urban renewal,

2108
03:26:16,780 --> 03:26:23,140
and there are some, you know, I'd say lower case H historic buildings there.

2109
03:26:23,160 --> 03:26:27,700
This is one of those that, you know, has memories attached to it.

2110
03:26:27,780 --> 03:26:31,900
I think that are important for folks that were involved in the eighth district.

2111
03:26:31,900 --> 03:26:40,400
and Mr. Firestone actually was heavily involved in a district fire company, so that's kind

2112
03:26:40,400 --> 03:26:43,280
of a neat connection. That will carry on.

2113
03:26:49,550 --> 03:26:50,170
Okay. Mr. Kennedy.

2114
03:26:52,330 --> 03:27:02,550
So for a tax-24 mandatory referral 6-2026 proposed sale of 32 main street, I'll move to issue

2115
03:27:02,550 --> 03:27:06,750
favorable report regarding the proposed sale of 32 main street.

2116
03:27:07,050 --> 03:27:11,490
Reason for the approval is the Board of Directors Building Repurposing Task Force identified

2117
03:27:11,490 --> 03:27:14,830
the property as one that would better serve the community of the private ownership.

2118
03:27:15,670 --> 03:27:20,750
Sales property is generally consistent with the goals and objectives of Manchester next.

2119
03:27:23,370 --> 03:27:23,830
Thank you.

2120
03:27:24,170 --> 03:27:26,550
Motion from the Security and Second from Mr. Prophecy.

2121
03:27:27,110 --> 03:27:28,650
Mr. Prophecy, I think we move quickly.

2122
03:27:28,810 --> 03:27:30,690
I know you had your light on as a call.

2123
03:27:30,690 --> 03:27:31,430
It's kind of you.

2124
03:27:31,590 --> 03:27:31,870
I'll set.

2125
03:27:32,030 --> 03:27:32,530
I think I'm okay.

2126
03:27:34,790 --> 03:27:41,250
You know, funny, silly story, so when I first moved into town, I did the Manchester government

2127
03:27:41,250 --> 03:27:41,810
academy.

2128
03:27:43,090 --> 03:27:46,310
So they say, hey, you're going to go to the firehouse over on the Main Street.

2129
03:27:46,730 --> 03:27:47,510
Uh-oh.

2130
03:27:47,790 --> 03:27:50,830
Guess which hat firehouse I went to.

2131
03:27:51,170 --> 03:27:52,790
Luckily, I knew it was over that last time.

2132
03:27:54,030 --> 03:27:54,870
I didn't go in.

2133
03:27:55,050 --> 03:27:55,790
It was just like, dude.

2134
03:27:56,150 --> 03:27:56,610
It's empty.

2135
03:27:57,010 --> 03:28:00,370
And then, oh yeah, there's the firehouse down the street right around the corner, which is where

2136
03:28:00,370 --> 03:28:04,350
we ended up building, but everybody's got a story.

2137
03:28:07,430 --> 03:28:11,410
All right, so we have a motion in a second, a motion from Mr. Kennedy, a second from Mr.

2138
03:28:11,590 --> 03:28:19,810
Prouse, through approve the mandatory referral six test 2026 for the sale of 32 main.

2139
03:28:19,990 --> 03:28:21,190
Any last minute discussion?

2140
03:28:21,970 --> 03:28:23,330
Okay, all those in favor?

2141
03:28:23,710 --> 03:28:24,190
Aye.

2142
03:28:24,850 --> 03:28:25,050
Aye.

2143
03:28:25,750 --> 03:28:26,590
Any nays?

2144
03:28:27,670 --> 03:28:28,510
Any abstains?

2145
03:28:28,510 --> 03:28:30,550
chair votes aye.

2146
03:28:30,750 --> 03:28:32,490
Item passes unanimous eight to nothing.

2147
03:28:33,190 --> 03:28:34,050
All right.

2148
03:28:35,310 --> 03:28:36,110
Administrative reports.

2149
03:28:36,790 --> 03:28:43,510
I think I will ask Mr. Liu to start because his report is more exciting than that.

2150
03:28:45,170 --> 03:28:46,390
Well, I will leave a judge.

2151
03:28:46,970 --> 03:28:48,970
I'll speak to what you're talking about.

2152
03:28:50,030 --> 03:28:53,450
So I just have an update on the two citations that were issued.

2153
03:28:53,450 --> 03:29:01,310
those did go out. We received the receipt for one of them, not the second one yet. I don't

2154
03:29:01,310 --> 03:29:11,170
don't remember which ones. I did go to both sites. Both catchbacens were cleaned. They're

2155
03:29:11,170 --> 03:29:19,410
not perfect, but it looks like they did some work. The 947 Center Street, they moved the oil

2156
03:29:19,410 --> 03:29:21,550
We're skeptical away from the catch basin.

2157
03:29:21,770 --> 03:29:23,670
It's somewhere else in the parking lot now.

2158
03:29:24,810 --> 03:29:28,990
They still have work to do, but they're working towards it.

2159
03:29:30,920 --> 03:29:31,820
I think that's all I had.

2160
03:29:32,040 --> 03:29:33,200
Was there anything else you were thinking of?

2161
03:29:33,400 --> 03:29:35,640
No, that's a cash for cash for extra cash.

2162
03:29:36,060 --> 03:29:36,860
That's a cash for extra cash for extra cash for extra cash.

2163
03:29:38,400 --> 03:29:40,000
Again, that's a slick show of care.

2164
03:29:40,580 --> 03:29:49,980
The percade, so the three 24-brose treat, the percade there was a slight

2165
03:29:49,980 --> 03:29:56,360
administrative plan modification that was approved by the Director of Planning and Chair of the Planning Commission.

2166
03:29:56,940 --> 03:29:59,980
They needed to relocate the water, sir.

2167
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,920
The slide, Gary, probably can speak more to that, but it had to do with some complications that

2168
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:17,340
arose between the developer and their ability to access the property next door, the theater

2169
03:30:17,340 --> 03:30:26,480
property. So they had to effectively revise plans to essentially avoid having to access that property.

2170
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:37,780
The question that was asked at the last meeting by Commissioner Aik, with regards to that

2171
03:30:38,460 --> 03:30:42,480
in the letter on screening, whether or not that was eligible, I reached out to deep.

2172
03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:47,360
I just found out today otherwise I would let you know sooner, it was not eligible.

2173
03:30:47,760 --> 03:30:54,740
So the training that we sent around the last time to you, that was in person,

2174
03:30:54,740 --> 03:30:59,560
And it's not eligible for those men's duty credits.

2175
03:31:00,700 --> 03:31:01,660
It's not a bit before you move.

2176
03:31:01,760 --> 03:31:04,520
It counts for regular training for us.

2177
03:31:04,540 --> 03:31:05,640
It counts for others.

2178
03:31:06,140 --> 03:31:08,120
It counts for five hours that we normally need to get it.

2179
03:31:08,120 --> 03:31:08,480
Yes.

2180
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:11,740
It can count over planning and zoning hours.

2181
03:31:12,080 --> 03:31:15,180
It just does not count tours in one metrones.

2182
03:31:15,320 --> 03:31:17,120
That the additional piece that was required.

2183
03:31:17,460 --> 03:31:17,520
Yes.

2184
03:31:17,800 --> 03:31:18,740
Thank you.

2185
03:31:20,120 --> 03:31:34,100
And the last thing is I would like to remind commissioners that there is a special meeting schedule for September 30, which is next Wednesday.

2186
03:31:34,740 --> 03:31:46,280
This is going to be a public hearing on the zoning regulation amendment as I don't really know which step of the comprehensive regulation amendment update,

2187
03:31:46,280 --> 03:31:55,400
but it is to review and perhaps approve regulation of these to the parking design overlay

2188
03:31:55,400 --> 03:32:02,520
districts, floods own, signage, and there will be a map amendment that's affiliated or associated

2189
03:32:02,520 --> 03:32:08,540
with the design overlay or regulation amendment. So that is all that I have.

2190
03:32:11,040 --> 03:32:13,400
That's Wednesday, September 3rd, correct?

2191
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:14,180
Okay.

2192
03:32:16,520 --> 03:32:17,700
At 7 p.m.

2193
03:32:22,730 --> 03:32:22,770
Okay.

2194
03:32:27,520 --> 03:32:28,080
I'll look outside.

2195
03:32:29,460 --> 03:32:29,580
Okay.

2196
03:32:30,440 --> 03:32:30,920
Next item.

2197
03:32:31,480 --> 03:32:32,220
Resume the new applications.

2198
03:32:33,600 --> 03:32:36,680
We are not going to receive any new applications tonight.

2199
03:32:36,940 --> 03:32:37,880
September 30.

2200
03:32:38,300 --> 03:32:41,940
I just went over the regulation amendments and the map amendments.

2201
03:32:42,140 --> 03:32:44,240
That is the special meeting coming up.

2202
03:32:44,240 --> 03:32:52,660
And then on October 5th, the Adelbrook school, they were originally scheduled for tonight.

2203
03:32:53,240 --> 03:32:59,740
But after I talk to them about the other two applications, they opted to wait until October

2204
03:32:59,740 --> 03:33:06,680
5th, which is why they're on schedule for October 5th meeting. And then there is an in-law

2205
03:33:06,680 --> 03:33:11,120
That one's determinational significance application for 672

2206
03:33:11,120 --> 03:33:12,080
Vernon's state.

2207
03:33:13,560 --> 03:33:15,920
This is a residential application.

2208
03:33:16,620 --> 03:33:21,680
They essentially want to do a lot of line adjustment,

2209
03:33:22,200 --> 03:33:24,340
but they need to first get the VAT1 experiment.

2210
03:33:24,780 --> 03:33:25,720
Look where they can do that.

2211
03:33:25,720 --> 03:33:27,000
To install a motor line.

2212
03:33:28,220 --> 03:33:29,800
That's what we have so far.

2213
03:33:34,120 --> 03:33:34,280
OK.

2214
03:33:35,900 --> 03:33:38,700
Last item for the night, any items for future agendas.

2215
03:33:40,940 --> 03:33:43,160
Here, nothing. All right, Mr. Kennedy.

2216
03:33:43,720 --> 03:33:44,480
Move to adjourn.

2217
03:33:47,780 --> 03:33:48,440
There we go.

2218
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:50,540
Move to the second.

2219
03:33:50,540 --> 03:33:51,560
Mr. Kennedy's second from Mrs. Zeke.

2220
03:33:51,880 --> 03:33:55,560
All those in favor to adjourn September 21,

2221
03:33:56,300 --> 03:33:58,280
edition of Manchester Planning Zoning Commission.

2222
03:33:59,680 --> 03:34:00,160
Hi.

2223
03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:03,000
All right, I didn't hear any of these.

2224
03:34:03,460 --> 03:34:04,380
Chair votes aye.

2225
03:34:04,400 --> 03:34:05,280
We are adjourned.

2226
03:34:05,380 --> 03:34:06,020
Thank you, everybody.

2227
03:34:06,980 --> 03:34:07,560
Thank you, Nancy.

2228
03:34:07,800 --> 03:34:08,760
Thank you, everybody, online.

2229
03:34:10,280 --> 03:34:10,960
Thank you.

2230
03:34:11,320 --> 03:34:11,920
Thank you.

2231
03:34:12,660 --> 03:34:13,240
Welcome.

2232
03:34:14,560 --> 03:34:14,980
Here we are.

2233
03:34:15,800 --> 03:34:15,900
Welcome.

2234
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:22,740
Recording stopped.

2235
03:34:28,010 --> 03:34:31,430
There is a lot of the key search that goes in.

2236
03:34:32,210 --> 03:34:34,330
There is just a little bit on my side.

2237
03:34:35,110 --> 03:34:36,250
There is a lot of key search that goes in.

2238
03:34:36,270 --> 03:34:37,290
There is just a little bit on my side.

2239
03:34:37,290 --> 03:34:39,450
There is a lot of key search.

2240
03:34:39,810 --> 03:34:40,050
Yeah.

2241
03:34:40,050 --> 03:34:40,130
Yeah.

2242
03:34:41,610 --> 03:34:43,470
We accept a lot of the 30.

2243
03:34:44,310 --> 03:34:45,350
Uh, I know.

2244
03:34:45,630 --> 03:34:45,910
Best shot.

2245
03:34:46,170 --> 03:34:47,690
I just want to tell you.

2246
03:34:49,590 --> 03:34:55,430
And you don't want it, because it's all that doesn't stop the clock early, and nobody is like,

2247
03:34:55,850 --> 03:35:00,170
being like, they are not going to be right in time.

2248
03:35:00,890 --> 03:35:01,910
I don't know what the clock is.

2249
03:35:02,910 --> 03:35:03,450
Yeah.

2250
03:35:03,470 --> 03:35:05,510
Oh, you're not going to be interested in the clock.

2251
03:35:06,050 --> 03:35:06,430
I don't know.

2252
03:35:06,810 --> 03:35:07,350
I don't know.

2253
03:35:07,690 --> 03:35:07,970
I don't know.

2254
03:35:07,970 --> 03:35:08,330
I don't know.

2255
03:35:08,810 --> 03:35:09,350
Yeah.

2256
03:35:11,450 --> 03:35:12,170
That's the light, right?

2257
03:35:12,890 --> 03:35:13,190
Yeah.

2258
03:35:14,670 --> 03:35:15,090
It's interesting.

2259
03:35:15,270 --> 03:35:17,250
The only thing you may worry about is I.

2260
03:35:17,250 --> 03:35:21,450
And I just remember, yeah, and I don't watch me.

2261
03:35:22,330 --> 03:35:26,270
Yeah, I watch like a bunch of me,

2262
03:35:26,490 --> 03:35:29,410
because in all those hearings and like the sub-dimension,

2263
03:35:30,170 --> 03:35:33,070
considered and discussed and published,

2264
03:35:33,070 --> 03:35:35,010
how much time they spent on all that.

2265
03:35:35,270 --> 03:35:36,710
Like there was a bunch of workshops.

2266
03:35:38,290 --> 03:35:42,250
Although, after that went in,

2267
03:35:42,770 --> 03:35:43,910
and failed in finish.

2268
03:36:46,560 --> 03:36:49,380
Can they talk to you about your business again?

2269
03:36:51,900 --> 03:36:53,140
Does anybody find anything else?

2270
03:36:55,440 --> 03:36:58,920
Yeah, what do you want maybe?

2271
03:37:00,440 --> 03:37:12,040
Yeah, I don't

2272
03:37:16,650 --> 03:37:17,210
know.

2273
03:37:17,410 --> 03:37:19,530
I don't know what to find at the point.

2274
03:37:20,630 --> 03:37:21,910
Well, the computer is playing.

2275
03:37:21,910 --> 03:37:22,930
We're looking at the wall.

2276
03:37:23,650 --> 03:37:24,410
I would not.

2277
03:37:25,650 --> 03:37:25,750
Yeah.

2278
03:37:25,750 --> 03:37:25,910
Yeah.

2279
03:37:26,130 --> 03:37:27,270
You don't have to look for that.

2280
03:37:27,650 --> 03:37:28,930
I would have to look back and clear it.

2281
03:37:29,010 --> 03:37:29,970
So I'd look back and clear it.

2282
03:37:30,740 --> 03:37:41,500
I'm sorry, I don't know what this is. Well, you know, nothing was did you see together? Yes. The Advisory Charres, I did ignore data.

2283
03:37:41,540 --> 03:37:51,660
I thought like they should be doing the saying exactly. Oh and then and, and, and basically, this following, what you wrote was, and, and, and, and Bert Cohen from the area to the end.

2284
03:37:52,040 --> 03:37:55,420
Sundance? We'll be back in a minute. Oh, that's brilliant.

2285
03:38:07,420 --> 03:38:11,420
I don't know about this new, I don't know that it was going to be like this now.

2286
03:38:14,500 --> 03:38:15,440
She's a little,

2287
03:38:18,920 --> 03:38:22,860
she doesn't have the experience, it's like Chris, it's hot in there.

2288
03:38:23,120 --> 03:38:24,880
Well, that's why she's got home.

2289
03:38:25,020 --> 03:38:25,580
Yeah, baby.

2290
03:38:26,680 --> 03:38:27,460
She's got home.

2291
03:38:27,720 --> 03:38:27,940
She's got home.

2292
03:38:27,940 --> 03:38:28,520
She's got home.

2293
03:38:28,520 --> 03:38:28,840
She's got home.

2294
03:38:29,180 --> 03:38:29,580
She's got home.