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The special meeting. And we need to do a roll call. This is a special meeting for the Manaville Cemetery. And a non-profits today is Thursday, October 24th at 5 o'clock PM. Manaville City Hall. Can we get a roll call? Let's do a pledge of allegiance. I'm going to leave the pledge.

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Do a moment of silence, please.

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So I'm liking all these red ties up here tonight. Looks very nice.

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You look nice. Over here. These two fashion, please.

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Game on.

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Okay, so the first up will be the roll call. Oh, roll call. I'm sorry. Jason Zuckerman.

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Here. Cynthia Strong Thompson. Here. Joe McGuire. Here. Kevin Vogel's hands. Here. Scott Dixon.

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Okay, first up, we'll be the Manaville Cemetery.

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So on the cemetery, do you have a list of things that you wanted to?

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I'm sorry, part of it was in, I see Kevin's focus elsewhere right now, is to kind of

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get an update on, you'd send an email back and forth of what was going on in the cemetery.

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talk a little about the mausoleum company what's going on there as well as do we

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have an ETA timeline. The mausoleum company is not a city employee nor a city

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contractor so we don't control the contractor whenever they decide to come

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and do the work is when they come and do the work. Okay but my understanding was

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is they have to sell a certain number of mausoleums is that part of the issue?

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Not that I'm aware of we're waiting on they actually wanted the they submitted

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for a pre-building permit. We're waiting on drawings, drainage plans back from them.

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Okay.

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So they're in a process of doing it, but we don't really control it, we don't control it.

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Yeah, they got approval for Historic Disarray Commission last night.

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There's a good amount of outstanding items that they need. We had a meeting with them and

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their design team to tell them what they need, done it several times. So it's in the balls

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in their court.

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Excuse you when you say drawings is that coming from them. Yeah, okay, so we have any head

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We don't have the drawings yet. I don't have everything I need to be able to issue a permit. They're not complete

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Okay, how long is this process been going a year just a year the mazaleyum

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No, it's been you're talking about a process. I'm thinking our process. Yeah, we've been in discussions with them for a year

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Okay, so it's not like they've been sitting on it for a year or a year and a half. Okay

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I think they started selling them last year.

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I think they've been for sale for about a year, a year and a half.

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But it would be nice to get a timeline from them, if somebody could kind of get what is.

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Yeah, I think as soon as, according to them, as soon as they were ready to build.

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Last summer is when we met with them, as soon as they were ready to build, they would submit drawings.

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And then they would be ready to build in two weeks.

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We like yeah, I don't think you can go through the process in two weeks and here's all the things you're gonna need and this was 18 months ago

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Okay, so about

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Four months ago maybe five months ago. They submitted like the drawings and we're like hey

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You're still missing everything we actually to bring and that's when Cara said you're probably gonna have to go to a historic commission

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So but we did that last night. Yeah, they did that last night

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But they're outstanding for plan review plan or approval

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commercial drainage review, flood zone review, yeah, so they've got, they've got

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things to do. It really, yeah, so who can get a timeline from them? Because I know,

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I know that they have been selling crypts and that their plan is when they're

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selling them, if you need it before they've built it, you got to get buried

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temporarily someplace, even though you paid for. So I know they've been selling them

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like I bought one a year ago and there were a bunch of them sold at that point.

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So the concern is if people have paid for them, like me, and need them at some point,

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the families have to deal with a temporary burial and then moving and stuff like that.

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So it's more than just a construction project, I think at this point it's kind of what's going

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on with it.

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What is it going to start?

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Yeah, I mean, I understand that from me all is perspective, but from my perspective, it is just, I mean, I don't know, I don't know, I have no contact with whoever, who, who, who could get in touch with them?

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Do they have a representative?

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Yeah, I get it in an email.

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I mean, don't we give them business? Aren't we paying them to do this? Like, don't they need to respond to us?

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I think Doug would be the one that has all their,

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yeah.

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We don't have the answers now, but I would like, you know, maybe we have a month before the next council meeting if we if we could tag somebody with getting an update and a timeline from them because there are a lot of mandible residents that are buying in there and it could be problematic if they're not starting soon.

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Yeah, sure. I could send an email.

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especially for selling them. I mean if we're to then we should probably halt selling them if we can't provide the service.

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I mean I think that's we don't sell. I think they're selling those and they should halt selling the plots that they if they aren't going to provide.

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Like we can't what Jason's saying like if somebody if they're buying a plot and somebody dies and they don't have the place to put them, that's a problem.

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So, as I understand it, it's city-mandable property, and we entered into a C.E.A. with them of some sort, which allows them to build this.

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They fund the construction of it by selling the crypts, and they construct the mausoleum.

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So, I get, they are, it's a design-build, cell-build.

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We give them the permission to go build it.

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but we'll want to investigate and find out what percentage of the

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crypts are sold and that way we can see this plan's working. I would think that they have to keep

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selling to get there. I did hear that but I don't know if it'd be wise for us to cancel the sales.

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I think they're trying to get enough. I've never even got to notice about buying one. I mean,

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I might be interested in buying if I have any money left this year.

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Just let you know, I was left off the list just saying why don't we get an update who can get the update?

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Is that you're going to be able to do that?

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I can email the person that's been sending us the drawings and see what percentage we're at.

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They should have some kind of information.

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Yeah, just just kind of so that they understand that we're asking.

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And I guess one of the other things we talked about that the resurfacing is on tap for January when we were trying to move it up

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for the before November, so you can get at least,

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was trying to do a milling overlay.

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The newer road, I don't believe, is gonna be that simple,

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but the older road is, we just got some course back

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and we met this week, so we have about two inches

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of asphalt there, we're gonna probably mill one inch

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and put back an inch and a half that,

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I'm trying to have done before November,

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I'm just waiting on a contractor to commit.

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And the premise behind that is for elderly people

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that go to visit the cemetery, they can't use their walk,

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Is that one of the concerns or what's the concern about the road?

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It's just it's ready for a mill and overlay and it would just be the main road that goes through all would be all the one the old one by the gazebo

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Yeah, I'm calling out the old one the one by the gazebo the one that has some concrete and concrete curve attached to it

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I feel like there's a lot going on there that we can do better and never have to touch it again

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So that might become more of a full reconstruction instead of a mill and overlay

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So if I can get one of the two and then we're going to come up with a design plan for that bigger road

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But regardless all are on tap to be done with this budget and this roadway and drainage maintenance

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Well, and that's going to also fix that divot then where it goes back out to the main road

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Because I think it was the older road that I was having to creep around a pretty big pot hole where it connected

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Yeah, that's spot where we're looking at just doing a full-depth patch and then

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Overlay, okay, we're just cautious to dig anywhere

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there.

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You never know. If I can stay within, if I don't have to dig outside the original

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footprint, I'm going to understand that. But the old road seems to be easier, which

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I thought would be more complicated. And then the newer road is actually has about four

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foot of concrete with a concrete curb. And then asphalt is kind of just overlaid on top

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of it, breaking up. And it's not a good condition. I don't know why we would have done that, but

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But I think we can do that.

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We can make it better.

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And so I'm just having the drainage function

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better in that area too.

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Right.

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So I think we're just going down a list.

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But I do have one thing that when I was on parks,

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this is five years ago, I know you all needs,

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there was a pile of soil or sand outside the entrance,

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not on Montgomery the other street.

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But we can never get it moved.

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I think it's supposed to be inside the fence

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to use, is that the Apollo sand that's used for the burials?

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They'll think they dress up the graves with the sand.

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Is that- Is that- Is it- Is it all request us, they request us-

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Okay, that's dark.

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Can we get that mood?

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Because we wanted that gone six years ago when Nancy Clark was on Parks and we could never get-

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I gotta- I gotta- I gotta- You gotta explain where you're talking about, again.

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So it's on there's-

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Yeah, you look up- There's some bamboo I think up there and then there's a pile of

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Mud that's been there for and I could have sworn I saw it when I went with Tracy

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We toured everything and I at the corner my eye. I was like oh my god that pulse still there

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So I'll get with you. I'll show you. Let's move that inside. I'll look at it

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I've never I've never been next to do anything with it

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So I haven't asked you but I think maybe we should try to get that move

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It looks like something's not not being complete and then as far as um

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The two other things I want to go over the trees. I talked about maybe we could plant

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I don't want some trees in there because there's no shade and I just don't see how anyone would want to go in there in the 105 degree heat of the summer so I know we'd have to look at the plotting to see where there's some room.

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Is that correct?

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Along that maybe that after you do that road, we could put some trees along their path and make it maybe more presentable.

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I'm going to be honest, I got a number to the Cemetery Board Commission to determine what we should and shouldn't do.

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I never talked to any, I just, I talked to a few, just prepping for this meeting throughout the week.

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I've talked to a few cemetery people and just how do they handle the lighted crypts and how do they handle like everybody's unique city in New Orleans.

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It's kind of more like us, they sell the plot, but they just maintain the grounds and then, but anyway, I think I'm getting a,

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So I want to get a survey and a topo done just to kind of understand where all the actual

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crypts are laid out because the only thing we're using is Chris Lang's memory and a map.

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And it's not a new map.

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I'm sitting at the map.

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Yeah.

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It's not that great.

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If it was great, I wouldn't have had a guy dig the wrong, marked, man, my half.

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I wouldn't have had a guy mark the wrong grave for the company to dig the grave for the

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person being buried that day.

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I believe we can get a new survey with elevations that can help with the term and

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where drainage should go or how I can creatively route drainage without digging holes

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and disturbing crypts.

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I think that's the way to go.

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And then we could maybe see where we could put some crate murals or oak trees.

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You know, when you go to the Cemetery in New Orleans at Lake Lawn, they have beautiful

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trees and it's it's serene. I don't find the cemetery to be aesthetically pleasing in the heat. I just

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think we could do more. That's just my opinion. I did come from parks and parkways and we talked

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about a landscape plan eight years ago before Kara was the chair was the department head when

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Louisette was on but we could never really get full support from the city. So I just think it's something

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and it's been hanging around for eight years

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and we haven't been pushing it.

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So I mean, I'd like to look at that.

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And then the last thing was, you mentioned Tracy,

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but Tracy, if you want to speak,

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you're going to have to come up to this podium.

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You talked about the grass cutters are cutting grass

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and running over the actual burial spots.

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And that's-

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Of course, in the city, they have a chloro that

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But there should be no rhodomores used in the old section of the cemetery, just so they

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can hear you on face of the meeting.

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Oh, you're sorry, so no rhodomores.

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I wanted to just run that by, can we do anything about that?

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We spoke to RCI, we've been through three managers now, it's just, unfortunately, until her coming

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to the last meeting, RCI has been on contract for two years, this is the first time, like

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I've heard about them doing it for the two years, but we do have a third new manager.

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He said, as of that meeting, I sent an email.

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I think I might have copied someone here just to show that we're letting them know that

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they can only use tremors and they want to use the walk, they got to stand behind that they

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can use in the larger, like around the property and stuff, but as far as around the grave sites,

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they need to use tremors.

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Yeah, but they're actually going over the graves with those rotumowers.

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So that's what we want to prevent.

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And causing ruts if it's wet they go in with them and there's ruts and then that holds water and it doesn't drain

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Well, and that's been a problem for since the since for for four years since I came on the council and we met with the mayor in

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2020 and I know that this is what the third company that we've gone through and we were still I don't know if it's the third company

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I know that the company that was there in 2020, that that company is no longer there, and that you all have been through at least two other companies, right?

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And RCI was doing a great job up until they are recently.

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For the most part?

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Yeah, okay.

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There was no, there was no...

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Like he had no, he wasn't, he wasn't resistant. I think my biggest issue with RCI or any company is we're paying them $52,000 a year, and we could pay a caretaker. And I thought that's what this meeting was for. And I expected clay to be here also because I know that he's against the caretaker. I know, but I think we discussed that. I don't think there's an, I don't think there's a, well, y'all discussed it, not with me. No, no, I think we, it was in budget when you brought it up. And it was not met with

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positivity because of the costs associated with the 52 and the benefits.

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So they felt like it still should be, I mean, you're talking to the public works director.

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We contract that-

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But there's other things that we can't share.

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You have to let me finish.

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We contract out a lot of grass cutting and edging in the city because we can't keep up with it and we can't maintain it.

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And so we pay, sometimes you have to pay money to get things done.

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So I think the issue here might be the fact that let the public works director work with the directors at RCI.

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RCI does a lot of work for the city.

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We can't find, let me finish, you can't find a lot of companies that can do all these things.

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So I think instead of running them off, we just need to fine tune them.

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And I've met with RCI with some of our landscape projects just recently.

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And so look, this is not the way we want it done.

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So we need to work with these people. Maybe that's the solution.

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But I think y'all are misunderstanding it has nothing to do with just grass that I sent Keith pictures yesterday or day before yesterday

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I was out there. There was a brick mason fixing a coping on a grave and they were out there with shovels digging around it

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Because the grass builds up and then the cement falls off. There's that kind of stuff

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There's drainage that I walked you through and show you the drainage there is

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Stuff with the I got but mr. Keith just said he's gonna get a

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He's going to get on the survey.

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Well, Tracy, I think you've got to look at part of this meeting is to answer your concerns, except that we brought in the time to do this.

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We're trying to answer a lot of things.

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The one thing that cannot happen is a caretaker.

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That's something from the 1950s.

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When you go over to across Lake Lake Lawn, they have a full funeral home and

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everything else there to justify the caretakers. We're trying to do the best we can with, and I told

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you the other day, when you do see something like somebody sitting on a grave, real quick, send a

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picture, pictures worse, a thousand work, but we need to work with what we've got and we're trying

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to answer some of the other things, spruce it up, clean it up drainage, doing the topography is

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going to possibly help us with all of that. I get that. And so we're trying to find ways to

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answer it, but we can't go stick somebody over there.

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It's not going to happen.

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But public works is not going to answer all of the questions.

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It's not just about grass cutting.

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It's not just about draining.

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But again, we're here to talk.

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That's why we planned this meeting.

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It's a special meeting.

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Let's let.

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We want to.

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We need a list of everything that you want us to address.

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And I think I've gone down the list of the major things,

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but if there's more that we need to address,

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then you need to.

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This is your chance to let us know what else.

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And then we'll work with Keith to try to come up with a way to fix it.

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We can't continue not to be able to get along and figure this thing out.

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It's just not going to be productive.

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I know, but I've asked for like 15 years.

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I know, but I just got on the council three months ago.

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Clay knew about it when he was on the council.

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I mean, this is not something new for Clay.

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I understand that, but that's in the past.

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We're in the future now.

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Let's try and work together.

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I think when's the last time we had a special meeting on the cemetery?

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Because y'all are the first ones to ever take the interest.

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I know, but I'm letting you know that this is that kind of council.

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Okay, this is a new council and we all work together.

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So I'm just trying to let you know that we're going to try and help you.

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So we'll public works do things like like the pictures I sent you yesterday.

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You can see the grass growing all the way up to the the copen and then grass growing over the copen.

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Will y'all scrape that grass?

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No, ma'am.

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Why?

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Because it's all private property.

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No, no, it's not on the grave.

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Let me let me let me address your concern about the lapidated

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copings and graves and all of that is individually owned graves all of that is individually owned sites if

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Someone does not want to take care of their property. I'm sure there's a process

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I'm looking at Elizabeth that we're gonna have to go through. It's not the great from talking about it's in between the street and the in the grave

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The dirt is bounded up and the growing over on top and you also have copings that are sticking

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in way above the gray of them and our tripping hazard

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that are two feet above ground

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and another section of it has actually grown over.

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Like, once that are being knocked over by the lawn mowers,

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I sent you those pictures yesterday,

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that's not people that own the crazy-

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Okay, but once again, it's Tracy,

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Hold on, we're still going back to these lawn mowers.

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It sounds like we need to work with RCI to get that fix.

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Once that's corrected, maybe this other things will fall off

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and that's I'm saying,

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It doesn't sound like you're you're not allowing us to try to help you you're going to have to work with Keith

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That's going to only be the solution and I and Cynthia and even

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Jill we've always volunteered that we will try our best to assist you to make this go away. That's all we can do

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I just want to make sure that they're going to be able to clean the dirt in between the grave

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So the drain is going to you know stuff like that

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Are you going to send somebody out there to physically work in the cemetery?

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We are not going to dig anywhere in the cemetery that is not adjacent to a road or a sidewalk.

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So in between graves where the...

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I am not digging in between graves.

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Okay, well the grass grows up and the dirt grows up and it doesn't drain.

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That's fine, but you're asking me to maintain someone's property.

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It's not their property.

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The grave site where the coping is is absolutely their property.

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It's not. It's in between the graves where the...

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So who installed the coping the city?

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No.

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No, the grave owner.

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So, if that's where I was getting at, like different cemeteries handle the belighted property,

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if you want to call it, belighted graves, like people that don't want to come and maintain

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their stuff, different cemeteries handle that differently.

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The only one that I can get an answer from are two privately owned cemeteries, which were

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Metery, Lake Lawn and Metery, and then you had the St. Bernard Cemetery, I knew the guy

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Allen, the director there.

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And then the city obviously is a whole different animal because they don't touch anything unless it becomes a health and safety hazard.

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Well, it's in between copings, where they cut the grass and the grass falls there and it turns into dirt and it piles up and it doesn't let the drainage flow.

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I will be able to tell you how the property drains once I have an actual survey.

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Will you go out there with me or call me to go out there?

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I'm not surveying it, but I'll call you and go out there with you once we have a plan.

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Okay, and then I'll volunteer to go with you so that we can all get this together and we'll get sent to you

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Yeah, I'll absolutely be there, but I'm trying to I think I know you have been met with little success in the past

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But we we actually pulled you in today to have this meeting. Okay, so let's all try to work together and is there

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One more thing that you want to add to this list like I have y'all addressed the urination that's going on

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So I asked the urination inside the home.

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And then there was like chicken, there was maggots in it,

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people leaving food.

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Last night, Karen can tell you that one of the lady,

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what was her name, Karen?

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Karen from the historic thing wants

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them to put awnings over the new mausoleum.

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So it's not so hot.

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She loves the old mausoleum.

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And I tried to explain to them that people are urinating.

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They're leaving food.

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That's cool.

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But on the urination, we talked about this

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at that meeting during the budget.

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I suggested and you suggested, we just never finalize it.

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Why don't we just have the police lock the cemetery?

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So I talked to the police chief about that.

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They really can't do that on the road because it is a three road.

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However, sad that he's not here, but maybe talking to them

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about doing evening controls or things like that to get out.

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There is an issue with that.

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Did the inside of the mausoleum get pressure washed?

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I know you press washed outside.

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Can we set a schedule maybe for once a quarter to go if there is a lot of urination to go

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out and check?

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We actually have a few things we're going to do to the mausoleum.

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Some of the awnings can use a fresh coat of paint and some of the soft fits and then pressure

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wash and just we've got some ideas to just kind of help freshen up the, freshen up the

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Yeah, the vagrancy issue is another issue, and that may need to be dressed by another ordinance.

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They used to close the gate from Dostodon.

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Yeah, but that's, I don't know how much that's going to really help.

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Yeah, the vagrancy will go right over it, and then the police car can't get there.

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Wait, what was that last thing you just said?

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I said they used to have the gates closed from Dostodon all the time.

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If that would entail locking it, I think they said it wasn't going to be possible to lock it.

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I heard it just say that, yeah.

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It's a through road, so maybe...

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is it a public street? Yeah, it's city property but I don't it's not that never

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name it's not a street. I don't know. I'm not going to speak for the chief, but that was just

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because I did ask him that because the neighborhoods they you lock at Duskendon. It's unset and he said

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even that's difficult because they have to go in and make sure everybody's out and things like that

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That it's easier just to get a patrol over there just to

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Move people, but if you got to unlock the gates to get your car in there it becomes a problem

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So that I think that's kind of the direction is going. I don't like putting words in his mouth

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But best my recollection of that conversation, but once again, we're trying to address it there

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I think what we need to do and Jill we may want to look at that as some ordinance on valerancy

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You know just where we got teeth to make people move

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Do we? What is it?

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It is section 614 for conduct in the cemetery trespassing and loitering

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on grounds are not permitted. Perfect. What was that again, trespassing?

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And do we have cameras out there? No. Individuals shall not be permitted on cemetery grounds

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after dark or when the gates have been closed and then loitering. Individuals shall not be

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permitted to loiter on cemetery grounds. Any person found loitering in the cemetery will

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we consider a trust passer.

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So in that, it already says that you can close,

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it's in the ordinance that they can close the gates.

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Yeah, you actually have hours of operation,

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section six, dash 13.

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Cemetery is open to the public from sunrise

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to sunset.

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Any person found in the cemetery outside these hours

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will be considered trust passing.

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It doesn't mean that you have to close it

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if it suns down.

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Yeah, but I mean, you could close it

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because technically no one's supposed to be there.

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Well, but one of the things we might want

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Look at security cameras. Yeah, I've getting some prices on security system

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More like my ex-father mall did where he had big signs saying you're being video

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I know but who's gonna monitor the

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Well, let's just let's just take a look and see if that's the option if it's against a law to be in there

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The police should be monitoring it. I mean

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No, but if we if we did have cameras though

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could record and if there was an incident out there, I think if anything, it's a deterrent.

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I actually, I guess Andrew's watching the IT director. He said he actually has fiber ran to

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one of the polls. He's just waiting on click code to get power there and he does plan on putting

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the camera. Okay, so we've got a security camera. He said the box is already mounted, so you should be

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honest. Well, and that's what deterrents sometimes is half the battle. So I gather the please don't want

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have to lock the gate? Is that correct? Okay, so we're not going to close it. And why? And why is that other than it's?

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Okay.

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Yeah, that was the biggest thing is the police car could not get in if they need to.

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Okay, and then I think I remember something I thought maybe perhaps we should put a hose out there that could reach the whole

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Mausoleum we talked about because if I was going out there to see my mother and someone

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had urinated I would have taken the time to clean I'd hose the whole thing. So maybe we should

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put a hose out there and make it where possible. I think it's too short maybe we'll check it.

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Use it for the pressure water. Okay. It hooks a regular hose too. But if it could fit make sure

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it's somewhat good. It might be on the meter box. I'll have to say. Let's just check. But that could

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be something. Where you go out there and you see something, you could just hose it.

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I know you would do that. Yeah. But is there anything else? That's pretty much it, isn't

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it? Well, Mr. Chair, I do have one question. Didn't we allocate like $75,000 during the

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budget for some study or something in the cemetery? Are we going to do anything with that money?

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That is what that was for. That was to address the new property we purchased to do some initial

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design, some code research, some regulatory research on expanding the cemetery, didn't have

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anything to do with the current.

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We have solicited two.

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One I think I believe Karris talked about maybe was one, if not it was Vaughn, and then

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Colin Associates, just to kind of start seeing who would be the right fit for that consultant

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because we really don't know.

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Right.

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And this is not about a caretaker, but what about, I know the city appropriates so much money each year to take care of the cemetery and graves that are the people have died off and stuff like that.

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Well, the biggest problem is this private property.

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Each grave is private property.

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So Keith knows we've already fixed maybe ten graves out there that have collapsed in that are from the 1800s or whatever.

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However, there's nobody around, no private people.

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So the city appropriates so much money each year, the council asked for it or whatever,

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and it goes through that prudome grave is falling in.

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Somebody needs to look at that.

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I don't know if that's hiring that company from New Orleans Cemetery that came out and

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fixed the other graves.

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But-

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Yeah, it does got like I think one or two companies that it gets prices from-

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Yeah, but they have one guy that is or one lady that's out there all the time.

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That does repair work and she's done, they have done a lot of, like I said, about 10 graves. I think if we can demon public health and safety, I don't think legal will ever have a problem with us addressing the public public health and safety. Right. Not making it new, but just addressing. Okay, so who wants, because we have to close your meeting. I think we covered everything. We got to hit another meeting. We're trying to get everybody in. Who wants to make that phone call over to maybe get an estimate of what it cost to fix? Is that something we would do? Yeah. Yeah. Let's just get it.

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estimate and then maybe we'll have to figure out a way to find it okay and maybe getting an update like

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maybe we can set a timeline where we come back and and and see okay who's looking into right

424
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:47,500
progress who's looking into the cameras who's looking into I believe I don't know if those are

425
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:55,400
I know exactly what we're talking about I believe they even did a if was that with anyway was that

426
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,880
like on a TV where they restored the graves and they did like a whole TV show on it was like a

427
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,660
grant and I know it's been done multiple times. How do we get that going again? It's all the city

428
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:12,440
Doug or who. So who do we talk so do we talk to Doug about that or who would talk to Doug because

429
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:20,660
then it was not here. Okay we'll talk with Doug. Okay so I think I think we solved everything tonight

430
00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:24,000
and we're going to we're going to come follow it and then we'll do another special meeting

431
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960
and make sure we get in some place, okay?

432
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,960
Thank you all for your time.

433
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,140
Okay, no problem, thank you.

434
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,760
And I hope you feel better back there in the back, okay?

435
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,060
Okay, so the next meeting was on the donations?

436
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Yes.

437
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,220
To nonprofits from the city of Manaville.

438
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:40,640
And I think we were gonna,

439
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,660
I think, did you want to go first, Jill?

440
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:46,060
Yeah, I'll just kind of start it off.

441
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:53,250
So to catch everybody up, when we were discussing the budget,

442
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:56,610
there's a line item that says social services.

443
00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:00,750
There's also a line item in the budget or the past budget.

444
00:32:00,810 --> 00:32:02,090
I believe we took it out this year.

445
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:06,530
There's also a line item in the budget for Youth Services Bureau.

446
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:12,150
The social services, I believe, was a line item of 32,000

447
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:15,490
and the Youth Services Bureau was 10,000.

448
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:19,090
So when we asked what social services was,

449
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:22,350
I believe Cynthia asked the question, what is social services?

450
00:32:24,130 --> 00:32:27,370
We were told that it was several different nonprofits.

451
00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:34,110
Well, okay, so that's what kind of started this discussion.

452
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:40,230
Do other cities give to nonprofits?

453
00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:42,750
Do they have an application process?

454
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:46,050
Do they rotate who they give the funds to?

455
00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:51,470
do, how do they select, who they give the funds to, do they have a limit on how much

456
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:57,990
they give the funds, how much funding they give to one organization, what do the organizations

457
00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:01,770
provide to the city as far as financials and different things like that.

458
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:11,550
So we started doing our homework, Cynthia did a good bit of homework and I called the City

459
00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:23,250
of Covington, the City of Covington's council clerk said that they do not give any to any

460
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:31,790
non-profit that they don't have a process. At about 3.30 this afternoon, I got an email

461
00:33:31,790 --> 00:33:38,810
from the Children's Advocacy Center and he kind of broke down what they, and I believe

462
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:42,410
believe they are, right, they are one of these nonprofits.

463
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:51,430
And to me when I read the email, you services, I'm sorry, well them too, but the children's

464
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:58,650
advocacy center, to me, that is a social service, that is accurate, an accurate description

465
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,150
in the budget that makes sense to me.

466
00:34:02,410 --> 00:34:08,070
And I feel, you know, he broke it down, he sent me, I can send it to everybody, but he

467
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:17,970
We can show how many citizens we serve, what they do, provides a counselor, forensic counselor,

468
00:34:18,730 --> 00:34:24,370
for any child inside city limits that has had something got awful happened to them.

469
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:29,550
So it is a good organization and to me it meets the definition of a social service.

470
00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:35,810
You services bureau, I know that you want to recuse yourself from a lot of talk because

471
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:38,230
as you are involved in this use of this is what I can talk about.

472
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:44,410
But yeah, I do want to get your input on the Youth Services Bureau because it's my hunch

473
00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:52,210
that it falls in that same line as well that it's, both of these are kind of an extension

474
00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:57,130
of our court system and you've got the parish court.

475
00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:05,370
And so they are doing stuff that our citizens got forbid they have to go to court for any reason.

476
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:06,850
and they go through them.

477
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:08,270
So to me, that is a partnership

478
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:11,090
and that meets the definition of a social service.

479
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:17,230
With other nonprofits, what current,

480
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:21,190
what nonprofits are we currently giving to?

481
00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:22,750
I know we're not currently giving to anybody,

482
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:24,350
but in the past.

483
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,140
So well, let me take that

484
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:31,040
because that's kinda ended up in the budget meeting

485
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,200
that we talked about that.

486
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:36,380
That y'all were surprised to hear

487
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:46,760
that the money was going out and the city council had never really heard the finances, heard how it's impacting the city, especially on a couple of the non-profits.

488
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:56,980
And that's what started the conversation when I was up in Shreveport. It was a mixed bag. Shreveport gives a lot of money. We got information from them.

489
00:35:56,980 --> 00:36:06,340
They give $150,000 to nonprofits and they have a very detailed method of justifying how

490
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:13,500
the money goes, similar to what Jill's talking about, that all these are offshoots of a

491
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:20,820
lot of the police services, the youth services, you know, support systems there.

492
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:29,180
slide del also gives money away they are more that they'll give $500 to the football league

493
00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:35,060
and they'll give $500 to the soccer team and they'll give $500 here and $500 there.

494
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:43,460
That one seems to be more at the mayor's discretion that they're not really having any sort

495
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:49,500
of method and so when Shreport Senate they have a very nice cooperative endeavor agreement

496
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:56,480
and the resolutions of how they do it, because I will tell you as when you're looking at a non-profit,

497
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,540
$10,000, $15,000, $20,000 can make a difference.

498
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,140
$500 to $1,000 does not.

499
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:09,680
So, the first question, I think, is, do we as a council feel like we're being good stewards

500
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,800
of the money we bring in by making donations?

501
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,940
and if so, I would recommend we look more of adopting what similar to what the City of

502
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:26,620
Shreveport is doing. It's called a civic appropriation application and a cooperative endeavor

503
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:32,360
agreement. And one of the things that the director of the CAC, Tim, or Tom?

504
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,620
I believe it's Tom. I think it's Tom.

505
00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:43,700
When he and I were talking about this while back, one of the things I liked about it, he could

506
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:50,540
name off the number of mandible citizens that have been supported by the CAC services.

507
00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:58,140
The youth service bureau would be able to provide that a little bit, but they do a lot

508
00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:58,740
of the things.

509
00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:04,280
They're part of the diversion program of trying to teach youth to make good decisions,

510
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:08,800
and they've got counseling, they've got group workshops, they've got a lot.

511
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:16,140
And this is youth that have gotten in Iraq and don't understand, you know, the responsibility

512
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:23,340
of driving a 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 pound car down to youth skipping school every day.

513
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:26,720
And so both of those are kind of providing services.

514
00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:35,840
You know, I can see where if we wanted to do this, if we targeted a couple of social services

515
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,840
is like that. It is a benefit to the Mandible citizenry as well as a support system for our

516
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,620
police department. But the way we've been doing it now, the fact that everybody was shocked,

517
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:52,800
that the money was going out. I have a problem with that I would like to look at. If y'all had

518
00:38:52,800 --> 00:39:00,940
a chance to look at it. Yeah, sorry. I wanted to, I'm sorry, I wasn't done. Fuck you just finished.

519
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:13,540
Yeah, I think number one, on the agenda or on the budget, I think it's important that we're transparent as much as possible.

520
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:21,440
And if we say social services, then it needs to be those that qualify.

521
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:28,980
Maybe we need to be very specific in writing something as to who can apply and

522
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:30,840
and what we deem as a social service.

523
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,240
That's number one.

524
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:42,060
I personally feel that there's a difference between that and regular nonprofits.

525
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:51,000
We have a bunch of regular nonprofits and my concern is that we have nonprofits inside city limits.

526
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:57,360
We have nonprofits outside city limits all that have worthy causes.

527
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:05,260
all that serve our community. How do we whittle away? Who gets what? How do we make it fair?

528
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,620
How do we do a rotation? How do we make sure that we know where that money's going? How do we

529
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:20,560
got for bid? Maybe there's a non-profit organization whose financials may look great, but maybe they

530
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,400
get busted for something and we've given them money. How does that affect the city?

531
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:33,540
So those are the questions that came up in the budget process that said, well let's take a look at this.

532
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,040
So currently right now, and I don't want to pick on any nonprofits,

533
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:46,840
but currently right now, how many of the nonprofits that we give money to would fall under the social services category?

534
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:58,670
I mean, I think they've all fallen under that category.

535
00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:08,830
Now, whether or not you want to, you know, define that a little bit more narrowly.

536
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:12,210
When you're talking about, like, do they serve the court system?

537
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:17,810
Do they serve citizens that, is it for a...

538
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:29,590
So there are some both the LLA and then in the state Constitution, there are guidelines for this. So this is article

539
00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:38,090
7 section 14 of the Louisiana State Constitution. I've highlighted down here at the bottom that

540
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:42,230
so it is legal. You need a cooperative and ever agreement.

541
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:45,330
that it has to be for a public purpose.

542
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:49,610
And then the LLA has some guidelines

543
00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:53,550
to help make sure that you're within the intention

544
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:54,790
of that.

545
00:41:56,590 --> 00:41:59,610
And so this is a little more specific.

546
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:05,490
The transfer comports with the governmental purpose

547
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:08,030
for which the public entity has a legal authority.

548
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:12,530
the transfer does not appear to be gratuitous,

549
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:14,390
so there should be some exchange.

550
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:19,110
In other words, when children's advocacy center or YSB,

551
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:20,850
they usually give us a report that says,

552
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:23,670
we've served this many kids in Mandaville.

553
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:27,210
We, I think, hope house might even be able

554
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:30,910
to put a dollar amount on every person that comes

555
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:33,110
through our program, it costs this much money.

556
00:42:33,490 --> 00:42:34,810
And I believe they give reports.

557
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:36,630
And then we can say this many people

558
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:37,810
from the city of Mandaville,

559
00:42:37,810 --> 00:42:41,170
we've provided services to this many people in the city of the Manaville.

560
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:43,670
It costs this much for every person who comes through our program.

561
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:45,890
And so we're requesting this much money.

562
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:49,070
So in like that's perfect example.

563
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:51,610
To me, that's not us giving to a nonprofit.

564
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:57,010
That is paying for the services that they provided our citizens.

565
00:42:57,010 --> 00:43:00,590
That's like in a way our bill, and it is important.

566
00:43:00,730 --> 00:43:06,710
It is important that our citizens have a forensic investigator in, you know,

567
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:12,430
or forensic, I'm sorry, forensic psychiatrists or whoever interviews a child that's so important,

568
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:19,430
it's a big service and that to me is us paying for those services. I want to hear everybody speak,

569
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:27,230
but I'm just really a little concerned about giving to just a few nonprofits that might have a great

570
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:36,530
mission, but they aren't inside city limits and we don't know really where their money goes

571
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:45,030
and is there a presentation on this, and my big issue is this is taxpayer money, and

572
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:49,930
if we are going to do nonprofits, then it needs to be listed clearly in Plain as

573
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:54,730
Day as to who the nonprofits are, and they need to be listed in the budget, and I just

574
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:56,890
feel like that's opening up a big can of worms.

575
00:43:57,030 --> 00:44:02,030
I don't know if we really want to spend all this time and energy, I think it would probably

576
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:10,650
fall into the laps of council to then determine who, what nonprofits we are going to take on,

577
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:13,870
how much they get, and I think that's just a big bag of worms.

578
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:22,990
I would kind of like to whittle it down to the actual, I guess you could say nonprofits,

579
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:30,890
but in my opinion, we are, we need to pay for those services because those, my, my suggestion

580
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:36,090
in this matter is that we establish a process similar to street ports and application process.

581
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:43,270
We start with a budget of zero, they apply, we draw up the cooperative endeavor agreement,

582
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,870
it comes with a budget adjustment specifically for that, not for profit and

583
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:49,250
young approve it or don't approve it.

584
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:54,310
Yeah, and I think that's true too, because one of the things I like that street ports sent me

585
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:59,970
is they make a resolution naming the nonprofits and how much money went

586
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,900
to each. So it's public record. It's out there. It's clear. And I can tell you, having been on the board of many nonprofits, one big check for $25,000 goes way further than a thousand dollars, $5,000. So I would say even if we want to, you know, look at adopting similar what they're doing. But then allow several nonprofits to come make a presentation of the impact. And then we vote on one. I think I'm giving them.

587
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:37,640
I think someone needs to do an ordinance or resolution set the rules in place like they are we don't have to make them as extensive of that and let's start

588
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:46,280
I think Jason had something that yeah, there's a command wanted to say something. I want to get away. We only have a few minutes left and I know we hadn't heard from three of us yet

589
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:53,840
So I'd like to I do have a few thoughts on this and I'll be brief

590
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,960
I'm not a huge fan of collecting tax dollars and giving it out to nonprofits and charities.

591
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,220
I think that that's everybody's own personal civic duty and people ought to be able to give

592
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:12,500
their charitable contributions to organizations that they feel are worthwhile and worthy

593
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,440
in to what extent and all that.

594
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,360
It's a personal decision.

595
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,900
So I'm not a huge fan of a public entity collecting tax dollars and saying we shall spend it on this.

596
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:26,560
I do agree with Ms. McGuire that there are some organizations that do provide some

597
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:32,960
essential services to the city and in a lot of cases these nonprofits and private

598
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,940
organizations can do it a lot more efficiently and a lot better than public

599
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:42,080
entities. So I get that and so I just think that we need to be very selective when

600
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,300
we do it. I think there's a lot of good discussion here tonight but I'm not I'm

601
00:46:47,300 --> 00:47:03,980
I'm going to be very selective in what I support as well, and I believe that if we do this, it ought to be limited to those organizations that are providing essential services to the citizens of Manneville, and we ought to just look very carefully at it.

602
00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:13,260
I agree, and I think the key word there is essential. I mean, there's a lot of different way. And I see how should I, I'm sorry, let Kevin talk.

603
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:13,360
I've talked.

604
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:13,860
I've talked.

605
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
I agree with what everybody said actually.

606
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:23,180
I agree with Mr. Zuckerman about, you know, having to be very choosy and Ms. McGuire for

607
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:28,060
everything that Ms. McGuire has said about being selective and it has to be for essential

608
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:32,900
services and Councilman Strong-Thompson I think brings excellent ideas to the table that,

609
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:33,900
you know, we're going to do it.

610
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:38,060
At least let's have a define procedure that other cities have successfully implemented and

611
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:41,660
It's documented, so I share all of that.

612
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:44,920
I hope that somebody will maybe grab by the horns

613
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,900
and do the next thing in terms of emotional resolution.

614
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:51,280
Yeah, so I think we need, who wants to work on this?

615
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:56,320
You, Miss Cynthia and Jill, you all want to work on

616
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,540
maybe a resolution on an ordinance and put some rules together?

617
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:02,600
I think the best way to, once you get that going,

618
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:05,860
then we could set out a notice.

619
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:08,660
and I guess they can submit their applications

620
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:12,340
and we could have an initial review

621
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:15,560
and pull out the ones we don't think are acceptable

622
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,640
and they may be narrowed down to five

623
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,160
and then let those five people come forward to present

624
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,600
and then we pick the ones we want,

625
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:22,580
something like that, I don't know.

626
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:26,020
But once again, we gotta start somewhere on that.

627
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,540
So, do you wanna close out the one that goes out of you?

628
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,120
Sure, we can close out the meeting

629
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,680
but our next step I guess would be to talk to you,

630
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:41,140
Jessica, maybe just to see the, and work on like an application process and, okay, and

631
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:47,200
maybe we start with when we, when I think a great way of kind of nearing it down is key

632
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:47,700
words.

633
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:54,220
It's that, that the, the nonprofits that apply need to be nonprofits that serve the citizens

634
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:57,420
of Mandeville with essential services.

635
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,440
I agree.

636
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,060
And I don't think that's just an opinion that you hold.

637
00:49:01,060 --> 00:49:03,860
Well, this is in the spirit of what the LLA is saying.

638
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:06,740
They need to provide, it's a transaction.

639
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:09,820
They are providing service that we are paying for.

640
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:10,200
Exactly.

641
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:13,080
It's not we're donating for their car.

642
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:13,500
For their car.

643
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:13,900
Right.

644
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:15,920
I think that's important.

645
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:16,360
Okay.

646
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:17,060
Great.

647
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,640
A move we shut this work session so I can grab a bottle of water before we start our official

648
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:23,400
meeting at six.

649
00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:26,540
Second.

650
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:27,040
I'll second.

651
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,640
We're doing.

652
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:31,280
All right.

653
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:31,680
All right.

654
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,120
All right.

655
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,400
All right.

656
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:34,140
Okay, this means adjourned.

657
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:35,180
And they had a good.

658
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:37,220
We've got a six o'clock general meeting.

659
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,100
Still got out there.

660
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,640
Good evening, good evening.

661
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,340
We're going to call tonight's meeting at six o'clock,

662
00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:48,700
City of Manneville, October 24th, 2024 meeting.

663
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:53,800
And we will start off with a moment of silence

664
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,160
and I'll lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

665
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:57,140
If you will please stand.

666
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Thank you.

667
00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:04,480
A Pledge of Allegiance.

668
00:50:22,110 --> 00:50:32,230
Okay, so we're going to remember tonight is a three minute rule on speaking and we're going to abide by that because we've got to be strict

669
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:38,450
We've got to if he if you're going to speak, let's try to tighten it up so we can get everybody out of here at a reasonable hour

670
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:42,410
And then secondly, let's go ahead and do a roll call. Thank you.

671
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:43,190
Jason's document.

672
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:44,130
President.

673
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:05,040
We're going to do a adoption of October 10th, 2024 regular meeting minutes. I just need a motion.

674
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,060
Motion.

675
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,440
Okay, I don't believe we need any discussion, we're just going to adopt, or is that correct?

676
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:13,560
All in favor say aye.

677
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,260
Aye.

678
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,860
It's a vote, so you should ask for a comment, public comment on the minutes.

679
00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:22,060
Excuse me on that.

680
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:25,000
Do we have any council discussion on the minutes?

681
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:27,880
Any public comment?

682
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,620
This is the minutes of October 10th, 2024.

683
00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:33,540
Okay, so there's no public comment.

684
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:38,780
And therefore, we can go ahead and take a all in favor say aye.

685
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:39,420
Aye.

686
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:39,860
Aye.

687
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Any opposed?

688
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:41,500
Okay.

689
00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:42,760
So they're adopted.

690
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,080
And then we'll go into reports announcements and message from the mayor.

691
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,540
The mayor is out of town this weekend.

692
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:51,260
This week he's at a conference.

693
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,680
We'll do the appointment of the council member at large and district council member for

694
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,860
the agreement on the order of nomination and nominations for the planning and zoning

695
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:02,780
commission candidate.

696
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:03,300
So,

697
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:28,240
I appointed myself as the Councilman at large, and then I also appointed Councilwoman Cynthia Strongtopson, so we will be the two that will confer the nominations for tonight's vote for planning and zoning, and that will come forward in new business.

698
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:34,980
Can I, one thing I don't want to put a Leon spot, but is there any activities that you want to make us aware of that normally the mayor would do?

699
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:42,780
Okay, sugar shakers on Friday.

700
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:45,680
Yeah, if you don't mind.

701
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:51,000
The white water.

702
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,140
The white water festival is on Saturday.

703
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,440
And next week is the last, no, not the last, because we have to reschedule.

704
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:05,680
We have the Deacon John concert at Mandival Live and the Creole Culture Fest at the Mandival Trailhead.

705
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,460
So wait, the Creole culture fest is on Saturday, okay, yes, November 2nd.

706
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:12,260
Oh, okay.

707
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:16,280
And I just want to add that the planning department.

708
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:17,160
Oh, God.

709
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,020
I'm sorry.

710
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,380
And the milk shakers walk them out is this Sunday.

711
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:20,940
It's Sunday.

712
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:21,320
Yes.

713
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:22,400
Was mandible live?

714
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,340
Why water festival and made the milk shakers walk them out?

715
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Busy, busy, busy.

716
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:28,880
Who needs football games?

717
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,840
And we'll have a booth at the wide water festival for the comprehensive plan

718
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:39,080
and so you can come out and take a survey with the QR code.

719
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:39,920
You don't have to do it there.

720
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:42,480
But we're going to be there handing out some Manaville swag

721
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,760
and getting some people interested.

722
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:49,440
So speaking of that, whenever I was at the Planning and Zoning

723
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,160
Meeting, y'all were talking about a time

724
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,820
that y'all are going to do the comp plan, something about food.

725
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:56,900
That's what peaked my entrance.

726
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,000
Yeah, that's.

727
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,220
I heard food and was like, when is this?

728
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,140
Future interest.

729
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Yeah.

730
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:04,460
on

731
00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:25,080
October huge brownies last time. On October 29th, this is a Tuesday. We will have an open house from five to seven. Okay, so that's next Tuesday, right? It's going to be at the community center. Okay, and it's like it's open house, house styles. We don't have to you can just drop in and out as you please.

732
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,840
like you don't have to get there right at five five just seven okay what does

733
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,100
Clay call it science fair style yeah okay it's your style all right thank you

734
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:41,280
man okay thank you um next up is the finance report with city finance

735
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:49,460
director Jessica Farno Jessica you want to take it thank you good evening everyone so

736
00:54:51,640 --> 00:55:01,320
So we're looking at our September 30th, 2024 finance report for the month of September.

737
00:55:01,580 --> 00:55:03,660
It's the first month of fiscal year 2025.

738
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:14,540
The fiscal year-to-date revenue collection is $2.2 million, which is 3.7% of the 2025 budget.

739
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:18,240
sales tax collections for the year of $1.69 million,

740
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:21,960
which is 7.7% of the budget for overall collections.

741
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:26,720
This is $41,000 less than the fiscal year-to-date collections

742
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,140
for 2024.

743
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:30,760
There's our little graph right

744
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:34,880
here.

745
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,940
The operating expenditures incurred to date

746
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:41,320
during fiscal year 25 total 1.8 million,

747
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:45,680
just 7.7% of the operating budget

748
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:53,760
of 25.1 million capital outlay to date is 44,000 and is 0.2% of the capital outlay budget.

749
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:56,400
The Enterprise Fund

750
00:55:58,450 --> 00:56:06,970
revenue for the fiscal year to date totals $352,000 which is 8.2% of

751
00:56:06,970 --> 00:56:09,350
the operating revenue budget of 4.3 million.

752
00:56:09,350 --> 00:56:19,510
the operating expenses incurred to date during fiscal year 25, total 302,000, which is 5.1%

753
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:30,590
of the $3.9 million budget, excluding depreciation. Capital outlay to date is $286,000, $4.9% of the

754
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:37,710
capital outlay budget. The city currently has 113 active employees and we are always working

755
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:39,130
to fill vacant positions.

756
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:46,740
Okay, does anyone have any, any council members have any questions

757
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:51,360
for our finance director? So one of the questions when we were talking

758
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,180
about some of the changing the water and sewer rates, what's the status on that?

759
00:56:56,100 --> 00:57:03,820
We, the consulting company that was helping us with the study, they helped their drafting

760
00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:08,660
a resolution. It just got emailed to me and Keith today for us to look over.

761
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:11,540
It's lengthy,

762
00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:18,820
so we have to analyze it a little bit and make sure it really is going to eat and maybe

763
00:57:18,820 --> 00:57:22,840
with the assistance of legal as well to make sure it's written correctly in a way that's

764
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,340
long-lasting and can make for the adjustments needed over time.

765
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:30,780
Okay. And one of the other things we were talking about this Monday because this is what we

766
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:37,220
always get hit with. So everybody's asking what is the fund balance? So when you

767
00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:42,820
talk about that where do we stand? So I did put a little

768
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:46,310
spreadsheet

769
00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:52,890
together and we were in the middle of closing out fiscal year 24, you know,

770
00:57:53,110 --> 00:57:59,650
for adjustments, the year-end adjustments for accrual base accounting. So stop

771
00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:05,670
there because I've made a C in accounting and there are reasons why, but a cruel-based

772
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:09,870
accounting versus cash-based accounting. What is the difference there?

773
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:16,850
Right, so you know at the end of the year there's going to be some things that we hadn't paid for

774
00:58:16,850 --> 00:58:24,530
in cash yet, invoices and things that are waiting, you know, we either hadn't made it to the finance

775
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:27,810
and department yet, or ongoing construction projects

776
00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:30,050
that sometimes invoices lag behind.

777
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:32,910
Well, if the work is done in fiscal year 24,

778
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:36,930
we need to accrue those expenses into fiscal year 24,

779
00:58:37,070 --> 00:58:40,230
even if they aren't paid until fiscal year 25.

780
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:44,810
So the cash flows of it are different than where you would

781
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:46,630
record the expenses and revenues.

782
00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:50,510
So there's adjustments being made for things

783
00:58:50,510 --> 00:59:02,680
as we are reconciling accounts in preparation for the audit, so these numbers are subjects

784
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,660
to change, in other words, we're still going through.

785
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,540
There is a big fat asterisks within the number.

786
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:13,340
Yeah, I don't think, you know, super significantly, but things do change when you close out

787
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:15,500
the year because of a cruel basis accounting.

788
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:20,180
Throughout the year and these monthly reports, they tend to be closer to cash basis because

789
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:28,580
Because when we pull the reports from our accounting system to draw up this report, it's

790
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:30,320
not inclusive of all the accruals.

791
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:33,740
We can't do all the accruals on a month-to-month basis.

792
00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:36,940
It would be the most enormous amount of work you can imagine.

793
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:38,680
It's hard enough to do it at year-end.

794
00:59:40,340 --> 00:59:43,140
They tend to be closer to cash basis.

795
00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:47,560
You'll see the inflows and outfotes more on a monthly basis than at the year-end we'll

796
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,220
do the accruals.

797
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:59,880
And it's not 100% cash basis because say we pay an invoice, you know, this month in October, but it was related.

798
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:28,540
So, when you're looking at these numbers, tell us a little bit of what you got here. So, these were numbers from the month to month reports. I took the net fund increase. So, these are each of the funds.

799
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,640
And I took the fiscal year 23 ending fund balance from the audited financial statements.

800
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:46,920
Then I put in the net fund increase or decrease from the August financial report, the monthly financial report.

801
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:55,040
I put in the net fund increase or decrease from the September report that we just went over and computed what the

802
01:00:56,100 --> 01:01:02,860
approximate on audited current fund balances for each of the funds so this is

803
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:08,200
correct me from wrong though but this is just a snapshot in time this is just

804
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,880
correct this is the balance as of this moment it has no correlation whatsoever to

805
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:20,000
what the projected fund balance is at the end of the year correct so the budget

806
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,040
numbers aren't in here it's just like it's like my checkbook but I know I got a

807
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,220
a bunch of bills coming up and this happens to be my balance right now.

808
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:27,760
Correct.

809
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,520
And so when people are asking for this, I think they're basing it off of a cash system

810
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,180
and we are a cruel which is why the other report is much more important, it's correct.

811
01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:39,380
Right.

812
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:40,000
Yeah.

813
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:48,720
So, so basically when we look at this then on each of these and I'm blind as a bat.

814
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,860
So, these are basically the numbers we have that we're working on.

815
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,020
Let's see how about it from here.

816
01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:58,180
So, these are the numbers we're having.

817
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:05,620
Now when we were talking, so basically the current fund balance unaudited on the general fund

818
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:11,100
is 15 million and that has got a decrease of $593,000 correct.

819
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:13,500
For the month of September, yeah.

820
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,980
It's related to invoices paid out from the hurricane.

821
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:22,040
I mean, emergency expenditures, I would say a little bit more than anticipated in that month.

822
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:28,260
Okay, so, but when we're looking at this, every once in a while we may ask for this, but

823
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:32,660
the true numbers that we really want to follow are right here, and so when we're getting

824
01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:37,180
hassled with the fund balances, they do exist, but these are really the numbers we're supposed

825
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:38,360
to be being used correct.

826
01:02:39,060 --> 01:02:41,080
That does numbers show the activity in the month.

827
01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:41,740
Okay.

828
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:49,180
And it's just revenues and expenses, you know, not really looking at what, there's no

829
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:53,200
assets or, you know, so you're not seeing how much cash we have in the bank or anything.

830
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:56,960
Other indicators of the health of the city, they're not really on the monthly report.

831
01:02:57,620 --> 01:02:57,800
Okay.

832
01:02:58,340 --> 01:02:59,400
Well, and that's fair.

833
01:02:59,820 --> 01:03:05,840
I guess the only thing that I'm really concerned about is you are short to clerks, correct?

834
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,120
And what's the status of getting that filled?

835
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:14,500
the utility billing clerk position is in has been tested the top three are

836
01:03:15,820 --> 01:03:19,400
Interviews are being arranged. Okay. All right. And then I

837
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,640
Guess that's when do we think that that might get filled?

838
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:29,620
Okay, because

839
01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:37,430
that's all the audit team like last week and they're playing a month. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Thank you

840
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:41,110
Okay, does any other council member have any questions?

841
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,660
Anybody from the public which you all like to make a comment?

842
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:53,480
Yes, ma'am. Can you please step forward and state your name and address for the record,

843
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:53,900
please?

844
01:03:54,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Rebecca Roer about 25, 25, link short drive. I was just curious. I understand everything

845
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:08,300
you said. In fact, I take the net fund increase and decrease and just apply it to the fund

846
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:12,580
ballots before. And why would you keep a running or tracking of it? It's within reason.

847
01:04:12,580 --> 01:04:18,860
But why are franchise taxes not represented this month at all?

848
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:22,880
When do those come in and what's the timing, why does it vary?

849
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:51,840
So again, with these reports, the monthly reports, some of the accruals, so certain things

850
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,580
like franchise taxes, we record it when we receive it.

851
01:04:55,020 --> 01:05:01,140
So if there's any delay in our receipt of these taxes, it won't make it to the monthly report.

852
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:09,460
at the end of the fiscal year, we start to look for the things that are maybe missing.

853
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:14,080
Like, say if we didn't receive the franchise taxes in August, we'd be looking to make

854
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,180
that a cruel at the end of the year, but on the monthly reports.

855
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:24,100
It's, if we didn't receive the inflow, we don't make a cruel on a month-to-month basis.

856
01:05:25,940 --> 01:05:26,500
Respect you.

857
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,520
Do that answer your question.

858
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:30,520
Okay.

859
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:31,100
Thank you.

860
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,740
any more comments from the public?

861
01:05:34,780 --> 01:05:42,780
Okay, if no further comments, we'll move on to special events permits.

862
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,620
And tonight we have the approval.

863
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,480
Only had one special event permit.

864
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:51,540
It's the approval of the special event permit application and liquor license

865
01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:53,320
for Mary Queen of Peace.

866
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:54,620
Jambalaya Cookoff.

867
01:05:55,040 --> 01:06:00,680
You've been to be held on November 11th, 2024, from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m.

868
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,900
I'm Location Mary Queen of Peace, 1501 West Causeway Approach,

869
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,160
Manavilla, Louisiana Approval Request,

870
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,240
permission to apply for ATC permit,

871
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:13,080
contingent upon ATC permit.

872
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,360
This is presented by Councilwoman McWire.

873
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:18,960
I need a motion, please.

874
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:19,500
Motion.

875
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:20,680
In a second.

876
01:06:20,860 --> 01:06:22,680
Second, I don't mind taking this,

877
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:23,920
but it is out of my district,

878
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,240
but if that council member would like to take it,

879
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,880
they can, I don't mind rolling with it.

880
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:37,760
So this is in Mary Queen of Peace, is anybody here from Mary Queen of Peace?

881
01:06:38,860 --> 01:06:47,320
So they want to do a cook off on their property and they are having to apply because they

882
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:54,680
need the ATC liquor license, especially for permit in order to do that.

883
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:02,440
It looks like their paperwork is in order, Aliyah, is there anything, everything is good,

884
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:04,800
all their paperwork is good, are we waiting on anything?

885
01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:08,760
I just realized this was Mary Queen of Peace, not our Lady of the Lake.

886
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:14,440
Everything is good, it's their annual event, nothing's changed, they just need the permission

887
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,320
to apply for the ATC permit.

888
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:21,100
Okay, great, yeah, okay, well, sounds yummy.

889
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:28,840
me. Okay, if thank you Councilwoman Macquarie. I just need we have a motion. We second is

890
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:34,220
any public comment other than okay. All in favor? We'll take you to vote. All in favor say

891
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:42,060
aye. Aye. Any opposed? Zero. Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to unfinished business. The

892
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:47,960
adoption of ordinance 24-36, which is an ordinance of the City Council of the City of

893
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:57,720
I'm ending the job description of cultural development clerk two within the cultural development department and providing for other matters and connection there with.

894
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:05,800
This is offered up by Councilman Diskin at large and do I have a motion motion a second second.

895
01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:10,600
Okay, I think is this Joanne are you going to handle this for us please, thank you.

896
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:21,740
Yeah, so this position, the cultural development clerk, too, was created back in 2012 and it hasn't seen an update since then after, I mean, as you guys know,

897
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:32,660
Alia's department has has taken on a lot of responsibility since 2012. And so we needed to do just a couple of changes to the job description.

898
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:37,880
The changes are in red on the job description that you're looking at.

899
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:45,880
We added city parks to the list of things that this person would assist with and also

900
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,740
to help maintain the schedule of all of the city's recreational facilities.

901
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,380
And then another requirement that was added was the ability to work flexible hours including

902
01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:58,740
morning evenings, nights, and weekends.

903
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:01,140
And that's it.

904
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:02,520
thank you.

905
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:10,820
Any questions from any council members? Okay anybody from the public

906
01:09:10,820 --> 01:09:17,420
would like to comment? No public comment so with that we'll go ahead and do a

907
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:25,780
roll call please vote. Jason Zuckerman. 4. Cynthia Strong Thompson. 4. Joe Maguire. 4.

908
01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:31,120
Kevin

909
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,240
adopted, we have adopted, I'm sorry, ordinance 2436.

910
01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:44,820
Second item on the agenda tonight on unfinished business is adoption of ordinance 20 chairman that that's been withdrawn.

911
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:45,680
Yes sir.

912
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,380
Okay, 2437 has been withdrawn.

913
01:09:51,700 --> 01:10:00,540
We're going to number three, adoption of ordinance 24-38, which is an ordinance of the city of council of the city of Manaville.

914
01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:10,360
to amend ordinance on the 24-22 the operating budget of the city of mandible and for other matters in connection there with this is being offered up by Councilman

915
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:21,520
Zuckerman at large do we have a motion motion and a second second and Mr. Councilman Zuckerman do you have anything you want to say this is just the budget

916
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:27,320
adjustment that corresponds to the property tax cut that we had done, the council had done

917
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:33,420
at the two meetings ago. So it reduces the projected revenue based off of the millage reduction.

918
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:41,040
It's the first of two that'll probably be required once we understand, but the totalist finalist

919
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:48,420
says value of properties across the city of Manivore. We just, this city doesn't know that yet,

920
01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:52,760
we don't know if the total impact of that milled reduction is going to be so this is what we know

921
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,120
as of now based on the initial assessment of property value across the city.

922
01:10:59,740 --> 01:11:01,240
Okay also with given the

923
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,660
fact that you need to have two things do we have a corresponding for balanced budget where we're

924
01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:14,560
taking it out? Are we taking 147,000 out of any projects or anything like that at this time?

925
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:18,000
Okay so not at this time so this is just a budget adjustment.

926
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,900
Just a budget adjustment adjustment to reduce expected revenues.

927
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,460
And can you just walk us through, how did the number get computed, and I know it has

928
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:30,940
to get revised.

929
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:35,560
And Tina, if you want to put my screen on.

930
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:42,140
So this was a spreadsheet edit I had shown y'all during the millage discussions, and what

931
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:49,400
What I did was this number came from the grand recap, total property value assessments

932
01:11:50,410 --> 01:12:00,100
at 8.21 percent, I mean at 8.21 mills this is the estimated tax collection, this 2.5 percent

933
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:07,020
estimated uncollectable is an average of the past five years excluding 2020 which was an

934
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:15,500
outlier at like almost 9% not collected related to COVID. So I excluded that one from the

935
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:29,900
average. And so then that's how I came to 1.9, or yeah, a million 996,000.

936
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:36,660
Do you have any idea when we'll really know what the actual number is?

937
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,180
Typically most of the collections happen in the beginning of the year.

938
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:49,200
It's weighted towards the first quarter of the calendar year.

939
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:54,820
So I think we can take a look and maybe April or so and see what collections are.

940
01:12:54,820 --> 01:13:00,540
Well, we ought to be able to find out once the reassessments are completed with the assessor's office,

941
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:07,640
with the final, because this calculation is done off of the total assessed value of all property in the city of mandible.

942
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:14,800
So once the reassessment period is complete, people requesting reviews and all those sorts of things that new,

943
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:20,180
total taxable value of all property in the city of mandible will be known and we can redo the calculation.

944
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:28,540
And in addition to that, we can look at the uncollectable amount as well.

945
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:35,340
Like I said, I excluded 2020 as an outlier, but because there were collections and subsequent

946
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:43,760
years of amounts due in 2020, there was a percentage not collected in 2021 and 2022 was

947
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:50,540
a lower than then prior to COVID, because people were catching up on their property

948
01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:57,100
text bills. So it may have sort of altered the uncollectable amount to a lower rate.

949
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:07,400
If I included fiscal year 2022 was about 3.5%. If I included in the average. So this was

950
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,520
is a pretty, you know, I took the lower amount.

951
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,660
So it's possible if we look at market dynamics

952
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:19,640
and whether people are paying, you know, there,

953
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,400
because some people will have increased taxes

954
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,620
even with the lower military,

955
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,080
depending on how much their assessment went on.

956
01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:28,100
So that's what the Arnemer and they are doing.

957
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:29,300
Whether they pay their tax, you know,

958
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,240
their property tax went on.

959
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,640
But the reality is with this,

960
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:32,840
even with these estimates,

961
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,460
we're not looking at million dollar swings one way or the other,

962
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:37,240
we're looking at tens of thousand swings.

963
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,840
And you're just, you're taking a solid best guess that we're working with good numbers

964
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,140
until at point of time.

965
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:43,460
Right.

966
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,940
And this adjustment is, is so that we stay in line with budget law.

967
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:53,340
You know, we need to be within 5% in the call it a favorable variance, right?

968
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:57,880
Like you can underestimate your revenues and be perfectly fine, but if you overestimate

969
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,980
them at a greater than five.

970
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,740
5%, then you're running into budget law violations. Okay, thank you.

971
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:25,200
Do we have any further discussion from anybody in the public? Okay, if there's no further comment, we will go ahead and do a roll call. Jason's document. For. For.

972
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,440
4, Joe McGuire?

973
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:27,120
4.

974
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,400
Kevin, what's the answer?

975
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:28,900
4.

976
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:29,600
Scott.

977
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:30,360
4.

978
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:36,500
OK, so that makes ordinance 24-38 has been adopted.

979
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,640
So now we will move on to new business.

980
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,260
We have seven items in new business tonight.

981
01:15:44,780 --> 01:15:47,960
The first item up is the nomination of candidate

982
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,220
for the Man of the Parks and Parkways Commission.

983
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,740
I guess a clarification.

984
01:15:56,740 --> 01:16:06,820
We voting on her tonight are just introducing says nominations. So that's not an appointment in the past

985
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:10,240
It's been nomination and appointment on the same meeting

986
01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:17,390
That's normally how it's been advertised in the past as well. That's that's all I'm asking. I'm new with this

987
01:16:18,730 --> 01:16:19,170
Okay,

988
01:16:22,150 --> 01:16:23,190
well, I mean

989
01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:26,310
If it says just a nomination

990
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:33,880
I mean on this one it may not be that big of a deal but on the following one is the nomination of the

991
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:38,520
planning and zoning commission so is the public just thinking that we are doing

992
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,460
nominations tonight and not voting I

993
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:45,460
mean I'm not the public so I can't tell you

994
01:16:45,460 --> 01:16:48,480
what the public is but I would tell you that open meetings law because it says

995
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,040
nomination and it does not say appointment I could see that there would be some

996
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,420
confusion and possibly it wouldn't need to be yes so I we can interpret it as just

997
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:04,160
a nomination for tonight yeah I didn't anticipate voting on this evening because

998
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:10,040
because I anticipated we'd be publishing the names of the nominees so that the public

999
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,440
had a chance to get with their council members and voice their support or opposition.

1000
01:17:14,220 --> 01:17:24,640
So what we can do tonight is I can read the nomination for each of the, yeah, so let me

1001
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:24,900
finish.

1002
01:17:25,060 --> 01:17:28,060
We're going to do the nomination of the Canada for the Man of the Parks and then we'll go

1003
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:28,840
into the next one.

1004
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:34,420
So the first person, there's only one candidate nominated for Parks and Parkways, I personally

1005
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:38,120
know her as I sat on the Parks Parkways Commissioner for 10 years.

1006
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:45,080
Her name is Patricia Zippert and I'll just redo her letter because this is an introduction

1007
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:45,780
only.

1008
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,620
Her husband and it says, my husband and I raised our family, Mandeville and have loving, have

1009
01:17:51,620 --> 01:17:56,320
loved being residents here since July 2002 and the last few years I have come to realize

1010
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:01,800
the importance of native plant species to ecosystems and have taken a deep dive into advocating

1011
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:07,100
for their use in the landscape. In late 2020, during the pandemic, I commented on the next

1012
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:13,180
door app regarding my appreciation for the long-leaf pine, savanna conservation area at the intersection

1013
01:18:13,180 --> 01:18:19,100
of East approach and Florida Avenue. It was then that Scott Diskin invited me to attend Parkson Parkway's

1014
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:24,140
meetings. I am a member of the St. Anthony Master Gardener Association and she's president of the

1015
01:18:24,140 --> 01:18:28,460
Constraint Basin Chapter Wild Ones, Native Plants, Natural Landscapes.

1016
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:35,560
Either I or one of our board members has made every effort to attend the commission's monthly meetings over the past three years.

1017
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,060
This has taught me about mandibles love for its native trees and landscapes.

1018
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,120
I beloved our beloved mandibles rich in natural beauty and biodiversity.

1019
01:18:43,980 --> 01:18:46,800
Nature, balance here and I want to contribute to keeping it that way.

1020
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:53,040
I would appreciate your consideration to have me join the Man of a Parks and Parkways Commission as a member to fill a vacancy.

1021
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,720
I would appreciate the opportunity to contribute my knowledge in the guidance and

1022
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:03,640
mandibles efforts to reintroduce, preserve, and protect our native tree species in public landscapes.

1023
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:08,600
These species are beautiful, easy care, and are naturally adapted workforces of our environment.

1024
01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:12,960
They provide ecological services for animal life, natural asset,

1025
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:17,280
with stormwater management, clean our air, and help filter out groundwater.

1026
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,060
Thank you for consideration.

1027
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,540
Best regards, Patty Zebert.

1028
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:28,800
And did you have something you wanted to say since you are the okay, so we will nominate I moved to nominate

1029
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:31,140
Patty

1030
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,480
Okay, we have a motion a second all in favor

1031
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,740
Just the nomination all in favor the nomination point of order. I got a I got a question

1032
01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:44,980
Yeah, because I am completely lost with the process here

1033
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:51,440
I thought that the resolution that we passed regarding the appointment of commissioners applied to all commission

1034
01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:58,840
and that it was going to be a nomination, a published name, and then we were going to vote on it.

1035
01:19:59,580 --> 01:20:04,760
I didn't think it was just for maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I'm asking the question.

1036
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:11,960
So are we appointing the P and Z commission or differently than we're appointing parks and parkways?

1037
01:20:13,180 --> 01:20:18,100
Resolution 2460 only is pursuant for planning and zoning commission.

1038
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:20,520
So parks and parkways was not included in that.

1039
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,240
Okay, so we have to vote on a nomination.

1040
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:25,400
And then we vote on the.

1041
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,120
Make the nomination.

1042
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:30,520
So I think what we could do is you can do it anyway.

1043
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,260
You want because there's not a procedure in place for it.

1044
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:34,760
Marvelous.

1045
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,420
So for the nomination for parks and parkways,

1046
01:20:39,420 --> 01:20:41,160
we can just make a nomination tonight.

1047
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,820
We introduced her.

1048
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,640
So we don't need to make a motion to introduce her as a nomination.

1049
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,680
You

1050
01:20:50,140 --> 01:20:54,000
would just nominate the person that you would want to make the nomination of.

1051
01:20:54,440 --> 01:20:57,060
And then if everybody's in agreement with it, it is now a nomination.

1052
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,080
And it will sit there until our next meeting.

1053
01:20:59,380 --> 01:21:06,960
That's why I was asking for all in favor for the nomination to be accepted.

1054
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:08,720
Please say aye.

1055
01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:12,260
And any opposed, please say opposed.

1056
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,120
So if we're voting on anything, I think you have to ask for public comment

1057
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,940
before you vote. Okay, I don't know if it's all in favor.

1058
01:21:19,940 --> 01:21:26,720
Yes, so I'll take that back. So I will, okay, so we're going to talk with Council.

1059
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:35,300
I think she's a great candidate. I worked with her. And the great thing about Patty is she's

1060
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:41,160
with this group called the Wild Ones and they're into native plants. So over the years, Parks

1061
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:46,900
and Parkways has gone more into a native lifestyle of planting where we don't have

1062
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:49,440
of the heavy maintenance and costs associated

1063
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:51,800
with traditional forms of landscaping.

1064
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,220
And if you see our landscape projects over the past four,

1065
01:21:55,340 --> 01:21:56,800
or five years along the highways,

1066
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,140
you'll notice that the maintenance of them

1067
01:21:59,140 --> 01:22:02,420
is minimal compared to what it would be

1068
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:05,980
to have someone out there edging and weeding

1069
01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:06,880
on a daily basis.

1070
01:22:07,460 --> 01:22:12,820
So their belief is more of a native lifestyle planting.

1071
01:22:13,060 --> 01:22:16,140
And so I think it's a great candidate.

1072
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:20,080
So I would be in favor of a nomination.

1073
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:21,980
Does anyone else have a comment up here?

1074
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,220
Does anyone matter?

1075
01:22:23,820 --> 01:22:24,000
Okay.

1076
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,620
Anyone from the audience?

1077
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:27,720
Okay.

1078
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:29,420
So I

1079
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:36,860
move that we just have a motion.

1080
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:38,440
We have already had motion.

1081
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,820
We already have a second.

1082
01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:46,400
So all in favor of the nomination of the candidate of Becky Zabrick, please say aye.

1083
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:47,340
Aye.

1084
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:47,880
Okay.

1085
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:50,160
And there's no nays.

1086
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:51,560
So Patty's been nominated.

1087
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:53,900
We will vote on her at the next

1088
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:54,780
scheduled meeting.

1089
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:55,740
What is our next meeting?

1090
01:22:55,940 --> 01:22:56,500
Does anyone know?

1091
01:22:57,980 --> 01:23:01,620
November the 21st of alley.

1092
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:02,840
I think it is this way first.

1093
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:03,580
Can someone check?

1094
01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:04,100
I'm checking.

1095
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:06,870
I got it.

1096
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:08,670
So we have a little wait.

1097
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:10,810
Sorry about that.

1098
01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:13,210
Anyway, we'll go on to number two.

1099
01:23:13,290 --> 01:23:15,810
The nomination of candidate for the Mandible Planning

1100
01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:16,930
and Zoning Commission.

1101
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:21,030
And on this candidate, we will be

1102
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:26,530
be abiding by Resolution number 2460, did you want to go ahead and make any comment on

1103
01:23:26,530 --> 01:23:27,350
2460?

1104
01:23:27,670 --> 01:23:28,590
City Attorney, please?

1105
01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:29,150
Sure.

1106
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:38,310
So, 2460 was adopted earlier this sheet actually just months ago for the procedure for

1107
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:42,870
the appointment of a PNZ commissioner.

1108
01:23:43,530 --> 01:23:51,310
And in specific, we've kind of gone through steps one through eight at this point.

1109
01:23:51,310 --> 01:23:57,870
And so now we're at step nine, which states, at a future meeting date to be determined

1110
01:23:57,870 --> 01:24:01,970
by the council chairman, after reviewing the resumes and conferring about the qualifications

1111
01:24:01,970 --> 01:24:07,030
of the applicants, the council chairman shall appoint two council members, one of whom must

1112
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:11,590
be a council member at large and maybe the council chairman himself, and one of whom must

1113
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:15,910
be a district council member and these two council members shall make a motion in a second

1114
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:20,710
nominating an individual for selection and appointment to the commissions. Following

1115
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:26,190
then we're going to step ten, the council will vote on the nomination by the two council

1116
01:24:26,190 --> 01:24:30,790
members appointed by the council chairman by roll call. If the nomination of the individual

1117
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:35,090
does not receive a favorable majority vote, the two council members shall make another motion

1118
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:38,830
in a second nominating a different individual for selection and appointment to the commissions.

1119
01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:43,570
In the event that the nomination does not receive a favorable majority vote, the two

1120
01:24:43,570 --> 01:24:48,290
council members shall repeat the aforementioned process until an individual nominated for

1121
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:51,810
membership to the commission's receives a favorable majority vote.

1122
01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:56,050
In the event that the city council is unable to agree upon a candidate to appoint to the

1123
01:24:56,050 --> 01:24:59,790
commission's comment, the council chairman shall direct the council to clerk to initiate

1124
01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:04,410
the process provided herein for another advertising and appointment cycle period.

1125
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:14,030
Okay. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Now, so in the purpose of sections of this entire procedure

1126
01:25:14,030 --> 01:25:22,190
was to give some guidelines and to kind of prevent some of the things that have happened

1127
01:25:22,190 --> 01:25:28,150
in the past in that it was kind of a race to see who could nominate first. And so that was

1128
01:25:28,150 --> 01:25:33,150
the intent behind this was there to be almost like an internal nominating committee which

1129
01:25:33,150 --> 01:25:39,550
you've selected Councilwoman Strong Thompson to serve on that, and so now you're at because

1130
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:43,310
the way that it was advertised, you're at the space for nomination of that individual.

1131
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:49,470
So real quick, and I might need you to reread that one sentence.

1132
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:58,050
If we can't agree on the first person nominated, can you talk about what happens, I know that

1133
01:25:58,050 --> 01:26:04,170
there was a process that it sounded like they have to go down the three that have applied

1134
01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:10,330
and then they would reopen it too. Can you just repeat that one sentence again?

1135
01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:15,950
If the nomination of the event individual does not receive a favorable majority vote,

1136
01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:20,610
the two council members shall make another motion in a second, nominating a different individual

1137
01:26:20,610 --> 01:26:26,710
for selection and appointment to the commissions. From those nominees? Yes. Okay.

1138
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:29,510
That would presume they agree.

1139
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:32,910
So the question is if you're having a nomination in a second,

1140
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:36,290
you would need a nomination in a second or a nomination in a second.

1141
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:39,210
Although the word is shall, right?

1142
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:41,510
They shall make a motion in a second.

1143
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:44,590
Yeah.

1144
01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:52,100
So my question, looking at the interpretation of this paragraph number 10,

1145
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:57,180
is what if the two, the committee,

1146
01:26:57,180 --> 01:27:02,600
Let's just call myself in strong Thompson councilman strong Thompson

1147
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:09,160
The committee the nomination committee because what we're doing is we're nominating an applicant

1148
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,980
We have three applicants right now. No one has been nominated so tonight

1149
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:19,180
We will be nominating the first person that that we feel should be nominated that we feel is the most

1150
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:24,740
Most worthy of the vote in our opinion now what if

1151
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:30,020
If the first person does not get in, do we go back and choose a second?

1152
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,260
I think that's what we just said.

1153
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:37,240
What if there's a disagreement between the two, the Council at large and the Council District

1154
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,480
Committee, over who goes next?

1155
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:41,020
Second.

1156
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:48,020
When the original resolution was drafted, there was a consensus between Council Chair, Council

1157
01:27:48,020 --> 01:28:00,580
at large, document and you, Mr. Diskin, that at some point you guys would have to be able to agree on somebody realistically that you guys would be able to put differences aside and agree on somebody.

1158
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,900
That was the intention behind this.

1159
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,180
And then we made changes to where it was no longer the councilman at large.

1160
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,160
We had a district council member in there as well.

1161
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:16,700
Okay, so we can't agree what happens then.

1162
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:20,940
The resolution doesn't say.

1163
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:29,180
Well, I think, I think, well, look, I hate getting into the sausage before we've even gotten into the first nomination.

1164
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:37,440
But if the word says shall, it says that there shall be a motion of second, then I think that that's shall means what it means,

1165
01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:38,780
which is that it will be done.

1166
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:44,040
I don't, back when it was Councilman Zuckerman and Councilman Diskin, the entire point, as I recall,

1167
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:50,760
was that if you got ten applications, there was going to be some nomination that came out of the small committee,

1168
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:57,420
the idea that you would get ten applications and that there would just be an impasse, and you would nominate no one,

1169
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,240
that was not contemplated.

1170
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:05,680
It was at the bottom where it said you'd initiate the process and start all over again.

1171
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:11,620
But isn't that only if the council has rejected every single person applies?

1172
01:29:12,460 --> 01:29:18,100
It was presuming that the two people would be able to come to an agreement, which I believe

1173
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:19,300
they have come to an agreement.

1174
01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:24,320
But we have an agreement on the first nomination, and we haven't gone to that.

1175
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:28,640
I just thought there'd be appropriate to discuss interpretation of number 10.

1176
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:40,560
In case there is, if this becomes, we have had this similar situation in the, or a similar

1177
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:48,520
situation of what you're describing in the past wherein it was the last council you had

1178
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:54,080
a council at large and it was a district council member that had to agree on somebody.

1179
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:59,960
And I know I've been through that process in which I had a first choice.

1180
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
The other district council member had a different first choice, and out of the applicants, there was still somebody that you could both agree on, and that's what we did. So I'm not sure, I mean, I know in this case, we have three very well-qualified applicants, I would hope that out of the three applicants we have, that y'all could, if the first one doesn't pass for some reason, that y'all could settle on one of the other

1181
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:31,080
to qualify to applicants.

1182
01:30:34,570 --> 01:30:38,070
Okay, so any other questions up here regarding number 10?

1183
01:30:39,940 --> 01:30:40,980
Do you have any questions over here?

1184
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:42,560
Just ask to check again.

1185
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,000
Usually you can know Mr. Chairman,

1186
01:30:45,220 --> 01:30:46,600
and I don't have any more questions right now.

1187
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:47,240
Just check it.

1188
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,900
Okay, so without further ado,

1189
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:51,440
then I guess we'll do the nomination

1190
01:30:51,980 --> 01:30:55,060
of the candidate for the Manifold Planning and Zoning Commission

1191
01:30:55,060 --> 01:31:01,420
and Councilwoman Strong and I, Cynthia Strong and I sat today

1192
01:31:01,420 --> 01:31:11,980
is afternoon and we conferred and we would like to nominate Sean Potter as the nomination for planning and zoning.

1193
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:23,220
And if that's okay, I would like to introduce Mr. Potter to the public and the record.

1194
01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:32,060
Before I go into Sean's, I did have one more thing I wanted to, I did a little research

1195
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:33,760
today, excuse me,

1196
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:44,710
it's called Best Practices of a Planning and Zoning and it kind of goes

1197
01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:45,370
like this.

1198
01:31:46,170 --> 01:31:51,070
Traits have an effective Planning Commissioner so it's just some guideline because you know

1199
01:31:51,070 --> 01:31:53,290
information is great for all of us.

1200
01:31:53,290 --> 01:31:59,990
A planning commissioners play, planning commissioners play an integral part in a city's future trajectory.

1201
01:32:00,450 --> 01:32:05,370
As such, they must exhibit certain qualities and they work to achieve the best results.

1202
01:32:05,650 --> 01:32:06,190
They include

1203
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:13,660
patients, and effective planning commissioner thinks beyond short term gains and

1204
01:32:13,660 --> 01:32:16,880
focuses on the long term development and sustainability of the community.

1205
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:25,080
Geographic representation ensuring the commission reflects different areas within the community to address diverse concerns.

1206
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:30,740
conference, conflict of interest, assessment, thorough review of potential conflicts arising

1207
01:32:30,740 --> 01:32:33,960
from personal professional interests related to development projects.

1208
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:39,860
Diverse representation, aim for a commission that reflects the demographics and interests

1209
01:32:39,860 --> 01:32:45,880
of the community, balanced perspectives, consider appointing individuals with a range of viewpoints

1210
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,020
and development issues.

1211
01:32:47,660 --> 01:32:53,280
Public service ethics, as a planning commissioner, you will considerable power over how your community

1212
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:58,300
grows and develops. With this power comes the expectation that you will hold yourself to

1213
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:02,680
the highest ethical standards. Part of being ethical means exercising your power and the

1214
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:06,920
public's interest as opposed to personal self-interest or other narrow private interests.

1215
01:33:07,820 --> 01:33:13,340
Anyway, that's just something I found today. But anyway, going to Sean Potter, I just want

1216
01:33:13,340 --> 01:33:19,080
to read his cover letter. He says, I'm enthusiastic to submit my bio and resume for the recently

1217
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,980
vacated planning and zoning commission position. With robust background in education,

1218
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:30,840
volunteerism and a distinguished career, particularly as the director of institutional research

1219
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:36,920
at Tulane University, I am confident in my ability to make valuable contributions to the commission,

1220
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:44,560
utilizing my strong analytical and strategic perspective. My comprehensive experience in both quantitative

1221
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,680
given qualitative research has cultivated my skills in data driven decision making.

1222
01:33:50,020 --> 01:33:55,240
More importantly, however, I am a resident of the West Side of Manaville, driven by a deep commitment

1223
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:01,100
to promoting the health, safety, welfare, and aesthetics of the community in alignment with the Chloro.

1224
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,360
Drawing upon my past experiences in leadership positions, I am poised to play a positive role in the future of our city.

1225
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:13,940
I welcome the opportunity to discuss how my expertise in dedication can benefit the commission.

1226
01:34:13,940 --> 01:34:17,120
Thank you for considering my application sincerely, Sean Potter.

1227
01:34:18,020 --> 01:34:22,520
So without time, everything up, I just want to run through his resume, service experience.

1228
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:29,360
He's, he's presently on the Man of O Comprehensive Plan Steering Committee, 2024 to present.

1229
01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:34,760
He's currently on the Man of O Park's and Parkways Commission since 2023.

1230
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:41,960
I personally worked with him for almost two years and he's as a calm presence but very, very knowledgeable.

1231
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:49,960
two-lane university staff senator. He's from 2023 to current. He's a leadership

1232
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,500
leadership same-taminy class of 2024 graduate. So he just graduated from

1233
01:34:54,500 --> 01:35:00,940
leadership same-taminy. He's the Woodstone subdivision HOA president for two

1234
01:35:00,940 --> 01:35:07,480
years running 2022 to 2024. And then we can go into a little bit about his

1235
01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:12,380
profile, he has institutional research directed with a master of business

1236
01:35:12,380 --> 01:35:18,240
administration and over 20 years experience in data analyst analysis.

1237
01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:23,440
He's a decision support strategic planner, business intelligence solutions for

1238
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:27,480
higher education institutions, adept in identifying, executing analytical

1239
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:31,140
studies to support operational and strategic decisions.

1240
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:35,360
Effectiveness is facilitated by self-motivation combined with my

1241
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,060
analytical and creative traits.

1242
01:35:37,460 --> 01:35:41,600
Analytical skills foster my ability to assess complex

1243
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,120
data sets and situations, implement analysis techniques

1244
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,640
and plans, and motivate a pursuit for knowledge.

1245
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,320
Creative attributes are expressing my ability

1246
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,540
to establish and maintain relationships

1247
01:35:53,540 --> 01:35:55,380
while I'm providing accepting change.

1248
01:35:56,700 --> 01:35:58,540
So he works with Tulane University,

1249
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,080
one of the largest employers in the state.

1250
01:36:01,540 --> 01:36:02,960
So I think that shows that he's,

1251
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,800
And he's a progress that he's really good with that, able to work with other people.

1252
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:14,960
MBA from the Southeast and Louisiana University, and undergrad from USM in Hattiesburg.

1253
01:36:15,420 --> 01:36:21,780
So I think that's Sean Potter, that's our nomination.

1254
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:26,920
And then I think Miss Councilwoman Thompson had something that she wanted to possibly.

1255
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:38,780
Well, yeah, part of the reason and I want all the members that actually took the time to put an application and truly appreciate it because people don't want to serve in the public anymore.

1256
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:41,880
So for all three, I absolutely thank you for doing that.

1257
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:46,040
But did you make that map and do you have it where it can be brought up on the screen?

1258
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:57,260
The number one issue that I see for my area is the fact that, and he responds to it, drainage projects.

1259
01:36:58,140 --> 01:37:08,280
When my neighborhood, people are getting variances on putting culverts in, putting walls in, putting this in.

1260
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:16,100
and when I talk to planning department, they said we can't control what your HOA allows or don't allow.

1261
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:17,920
We can't keep up with it.

1262
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:27,240
And one of the key things is having people that live on this side of the city to drive by and see what is going on,

1263
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:34,040
to see what is happening, to see what's happening in the neighborhoods, to see what commercial constructions going in,

1264
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:40,680
And because I was before I was to the seat, there was something going on in our neighborhood

1265
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,780
where somebody was building a pool that turned into a pool, turned into a 10 foot wall around,

1266
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:51,460
it turned into a house, an actual pool house, and apparently they got a variance for a covert

1267
01:37:51,460 --> 01:37:55,380
that is a 10-inch covert which needs to be in a 24-inch drainage way.

1268
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:00,160
So what's going to happen with that 10-inch covert is going to block yet more water

1269
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:04,840
and they got a variance from planning and zoning

1270
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,620
and that was the one conversation I had with each candidate,

1271
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,600
what is the number one issue with the West side?

1272
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,260
Today, which was really interesting,

1273
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,020
ignoring the alligator that was back in a ditch,

1274
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,460
water started flowing from Boervage

1275
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:22,420
over into the sanctuary neighborhood.

1276
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:23,660
So I had a homeowner go,

1277
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,440
I think there's a broken water main.

1278
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,040
It wasn't a broken water main.

1279
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,700
It's where public works was digging out the ditches

1280
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:31,540
in Beau Ravage where they could finally flow.

1281
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,700
They flow through the sanctuary.

1282
01:38:34,540 --> 01:38:37,580
So when we look at that, I agree.

1283
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,100
All three are very strong candidates.

1284
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:44,620
We need somebody that we need a couple of people

1285
01:38:44,620 --> 01:38:49,260
that they actually drive home to what's going on.

1286
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:50,980
They can see what's going on.

1287
01:38:50,980 --> 01:38:55,480
They can understand because everybody that comes up

1288
01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:57,600
with a variance, I don't think the planning

1289
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,240
and zoning commissioners are going to drive

1290
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:06,020
to that house to see what the impact of a culvert is going to be and that was my number one thing.

1291
01:39:06,300 --> 01:39:12,640
I wanted somebody from the western side that they live there. They work there. Their decisions

1292
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:21,440
impact their neighbors and planning and zoning is not just one issue. It is all of ours and just

1293
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:28,520
even to try to get people to want to put their names forward on this. This was huge and that right

1294
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:35,460
right there was my number one reason of selecting Mr. Potter because we've got to have somebody

1295
01:39:35,460 --> 01:39:41,620
that works and lives in the area to see what's going on because these variances have got

1296
01:39:41,620 --> 01:39:47,300
to stop. They're affecting so many people. So that was one of the things I wanted to stress

1297
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:53,760
on that. And I think, you know, Mr. Potter had experience too with just kind of what happens

1298
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:59,860
around when the builder is doing things and then Woodstone definitely had significant

1299
01:39:59,860 --> 01:40:06,120
impacts on with drainage way was going on there so he understands what's going on and

1300
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:12,880
a lot of the issues that affect our city. Mr. Chairman, can I just add a question for

1301
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:20,120
the I guess the selection committee because in my four years on the previous council and

1302
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:21,600
in my terms so far in this council,

1303
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:22,980
there's been a lot of discussion

1304
01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:26,840
about district representation on planning and zoning.

1305
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:29,880
So I'm kind of curious with council

1306
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,180
with applicants from district three,

1307
01:40:32,380 --> 01:40:33,920
district two and district one,

1308
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:36,240
three qualified candidates

1309
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,260
and entering into the comprehensive plan

1310
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:42,620
which the planning and zoning commission

1311
01:40:42,620 --> 01:40:44,360
is the only one that votes on that.

1312
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:45,640
The council does a vote on it

1313
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,940
and we do have representation

1314
01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:52,540
from two of the districts, but nobody from district two.

1315
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:58,780
How did we arrive on selecting not the district two council person to

1316
01:40:58,780 --> 01:41:03,560
collaborate with on this decision, and how do we end up with a nomination that is?

1317
01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:05,640
Well, actually, let me take that.

1318
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:09,840
If we wanted to have true representation for each district,

1319
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:14,560
we would have to ask somebody from district three to step down from planning and zoning.

1320
01:41:16,220 --> 01:41:18,020
But no, that's what I'm saying.

1321
01:41:18,020 --> 01:41:22,020
We don't have a solid representation to begin with.

1322
01:41:22,180 --> 01:41:32,300
We've got four dots that are within three streets of each other and it became more of who

1323
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:39,060
lived on the other side of North Callsway so that the West Side is not ignored when

1324
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:45,000
these variances come up because it's affecting the neighborhood on three different neighborhoods

1325
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,060
of what's going on.

1326
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:50,400
So that was basically decision because if we wanted true representation per

1327
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:59,660
District, then I would say two of those people need to give up their seats that are within two streets of each other. Okay

1328
01:42:01,220 --> 01:42:03,300
I hear you again

1329
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:08,840
I just would like to finish my phone and then I'll be quiet for the rest of the conversation because I know we're not voting to

1330
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,520
Okay, but hold on you asked her a question. You asked us a question

1331
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:14,280
I have a follow-up on this chairman.

1332
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:17,040
Okay, you may follow up, but she was only answering your question.

1333
01:42:17,620 --> 01:42:18,100
I understand.

1334
01:42:18,460 --> 01:42:20,300
I just like follow-up and I promise I'll be quiet during that.

1335
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:21,680
That's all I know, you welcome to talk.

1336
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:31,100
So all I'm saying is, again, I've heard this argument about district representation constantly

1337
01:42:31,860 --> 01:42:34,780
for the four and a half years I've been on the council.

1338
01:42:35,620 --> 01:42:39,780
I've heard it before, we're getting ready to vote on a comprehensive master plan

1339
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:42,600
that is going to be voted on by the seven council members.

1340
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:45,160
I understand what you're saying.

1341
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:46,620
Commission members.

1342
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:47,920
Commission members, I'm sorry.

1343
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,480
Because we won't get enough opportunity.

1344
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:51,420
And I do understand that point.

1345
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,480
However, for some reason, I just feel that

1346
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:57,840
if we already had a district two person

1347
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,060
and we were putting another district two person on it

1348
01:43:00,060 --> 01:43:01,620
and there was nobody from district one,

1349
01:43:02,180 --> 01:43:04,160
we wouldn't be having the same conversation.

1350
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,160
So I'm just asking how was that really arrived at

1351
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,320
and why did we not include the district two?

1352
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,360
Okay, so I'll answer that question.

1353
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:13,080
Council member.

1354
01:43:13,340 --> 01:43:15,800
So I was the one that had this map created.

1355
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,640
If you look at the map, I'm colorblind,

1356
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:19,840
but I believe that's pink.

1357
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:20,860
It looks pink.

1358
01:43:21,420 --> 01:43:22,940
That's a substantial amount of land

1359
01:43:22,940 --> 01:43:25,400
that you only have one person representing

1360
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:26,500
and he's in fountain blue.

1361
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,300
This land that moves to the left,

1362
01:43:30,220 --> 01:43:31,500
to your, I believe that's your right,

1363
01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:37,040
that runs into what's the name of that river,

1364
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:42,220
we just did the landlots. I mean, this is all wet lands. We have huge development,

1365
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:48,120
probably the most development in the city, at the present, is in the sanctuary. With multi-million

1366
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:55,740
dollar homes, as Councilwoman Strong Thompson mentioned, there's lots of issues that are present in

1367
01:43:55,740 --> 01:44:01,920
the sanctuary that are not properly being properly addressed. Now, if you move over to the blue area,

1368
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,240
if I'm not mistaken, it's in the middle of the city.

1369
01:44:05,460 --> 01:44:07,020
It's separated somewhat.

1370
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:11,540
It is separated by a causeway boulevard granted.

1371
01:44:11,820 --> 01:44:16,440
But look at the amount of people that are the two

1372
01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:18,040
of the candidates and they're fine candidates.

1373
01:44:18,340 --> 01:44:20,520
I know one of them for over 30, 20 years.

1374
01:44:20,980 --> 01:44:22,800
And the other one, very nice person.

1375
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,360
I'd love to get both of them on there.

1376
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,540
All my point is that I made is that these, excuse me,

1377
01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:30,140
I'm trying to speak,

1378
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,200
I don't want to be interrupted because I don't want to have to go through this twice.

1379
01:44:39,730 --> 01:44:44,490
These, if you look at the cluster of people, if there are blocks away from each other.

1380
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:48,930
I drove today from my office, which is at West Causeway, to my house to get dressed.

1381
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:54,710
It's almost a mile from my office to hermitage.

1382
01:44:54,710 --> 01:44:59,650
So, you basically, the closest applicant is

1383
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
As a mile from the other, from West Causeway, I just think it's another cluster of people. So, there's no offense to Mr. Bergera or Mr. Rosenow. They're fine, excellent candidates. It's just that in this situation, I think if you take the majority of the land in the city and divide it all up, you're underrepresented on the west side of town. And that is the reason why when it came down to pick a selection that we thought, if there had been another candidate that came from the

1384
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:39,680
Westside and I think Mr. I talked with Councilman with Kevin and he mentioned they wish they

1385
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:44,020
had another candidate from the Westside. I'm just letting you know that we need balance

1386
01:45:44,020 --> 01:45:49,320
representation and that's probably the second strongest criteria that we're going off.

1387
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:57,100
And then the fact is that our candidate that we selected, he's a great candidate. You can't knock

1388
01:45:57,100 --> 01:46:00,940
his resume, and accordingly, he's well-qualified.

1389
01:46:01,300 --> 01:46:02,620
I mean, this is excellent resume.

1390
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,180
So we should be looking, this is the recommendation

1391
01:46:05,180 --> 01:46:08,460
that we made, this is the rules that we set originally,

1392
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,780
the rule was gonna be Jason and I,

1393
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:13,740
the two councilmen at large, which we were fine with,

1394
01:46:13,860 --> 01:46:16,620
but district members felt like it wasn't fair.

1395
01:46:16,820 --> 01:46:18,840
So I agreed to give that courtesy

1396
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,700
to my fellow councilpeople, but now it looks like

1397
01:46:23,180 --> 01:46:24,860
we're going down a different route.

1398
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:26,300
Now, y'all might not agree with me,

1399
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:29,500
but this is a strictly land base.

1400
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:30,740
This is not on district.

1401
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:31,680
Okay.

1402
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,060
Okay, and that's my opinion.

1403
01:46:33,140 --> 01:46:34,840
And now you can go, Ms. McGuire.

1404
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:35,200
Okay.

1405
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:38,900
I just want to give some history.

1406
01:46:39,020 --> 01:46:40,540
I don't want to go down a rabbit hole.

1407
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:44,740
However, four years, this has always been an issue.

1408
01:46:44,820 --> 01:46:46,760
It was an issue before I was on the council.

1409
01:46:46,980 --> 01:46:48,020
And I was going to the meetings

1410
01:46:48,020 --> 01:46:49,500
because I was planning on running.

1411
01:46:50,260 --> 01:46:52,680
The former council tried to figure it out.

1412
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,700
We tried to figure it out our last term.

1413
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:59,200
I have never been happy with how this turns out.

1414
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:01,500
It's always a debacle.

1415
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:07,320
Once upon a time, and I'm bringing this up for a reason.

1416
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:14,000
Once upon a time, the way the city did it was they had a council,

1417
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:20,540
the council members of each district nominated someone from their district.

1418
01:47:20,540 --> 01:47:25,300
when I got on on 2020 that was a very unpopular opinion.

1419
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:31,520
They were kind of tired with that and they decided in one of the reasons that I was

1420
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:38,420
always told that everybody was kind of having issues with it is that before I came along

1421
01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:44,680
the word on the street was nobody really cares and district one, nobody cares and

1422
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,900
district two, we can't get anybody to apply.

1423
01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:50,540
Well, let me tell you something. I've been on the council for four years.

1424
01:47:52,270 --> 01:47:59,320
Each one of these wonderful people that have applied and are so qualified, it's not

1425
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:04,620
even funny, we've had to turn down more than we've had to turn them down at least once.

1426
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:13,380
They keep applying. We don't want to lose people that care and are qualified and are vested

1427
01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:18,660
in our community and want to show up and come to these meetings. We've had

1428
01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:23,600
issues with I've personally gone to commission meetings where at least they

1429
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:28,500
had a quorum but they only had four members show up. Well, when you have a

1430
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:34,860
work session and the next time you have to vote and you could have two to three

1431
01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:39,100
members that weren't even at the work session. That's a problem. I thank you all

1432
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:46,140
for applying. I hate being in this position and having to turn or turn away to people that are

1433
01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:52,760
extremely qualified and want to do good for the city. I feel that what happened was

1434
01:48:54,300 --> 01:49:02,520
District 3 ended up with six members on there and it came in the spirit of we want the best

1435
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:10,020
qualified. I get that. I love my district. I think that every person currently on

1436
01:49:10,020 --> 01:49:14,360
planning and zoning takes their job seriously. We never purposely want to leave

1437
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:20,800
out a district would would would be fair and just and I love all of them. But what's

1438
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:26,380
happened to me in the past is I was told you can't put anybody. I never got an

1439
01:49:26,380 --> 01:49:32,300
opportunity to recommend someone from my district because I was told we had two

1440
01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:38,820
many people on District 3. So then I picked someone from District 1, the only

1441
01:49:38,820 --> 01:49:47,200
non District 3 member I picked and the District 1 Council person at that time

1442
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:55,460
picked someone in District 3. Then you had an experience with the District 2

1443
01:49:55,460 --> 01:50:03,480
council member and you picked your first choice was district two and that

1444
01:50:03,480 --> 01:50:08,400
council member said nope not doing it and he picked someone from district three

1445
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:17,980
I cannot tell you how important it is as council members for us to represent

1446
01:50:17,980 --> 01:50:25,560
our districts and I feel part of that representation is putting someone on

1447
01:50:26,260 --> 01:50:32,660
planning and zoning in each district and what happened now and the reason why

1448
01:50:32,660 --> 01:50:38,480
I voted it why I voted against having the two at large council members I

1449
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:44,440
felt that it was an imbalance of power I don't think that the council members

1450
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:50,960
members out large should pick all of the planning and zoning members without input from

1451
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:59,180
the district. Now what's happened is our district two council member wasn't even given

1452
01:50:59,180 --> 01:51:07,260
the opportunity to be on the committee. No one is on the planning and zoning commission

1453
01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:16,720
that represents District 2, and they haven't been since, I believe, Commissioner Nixon,

1454
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:24,140
Adams, retired, when he retired, no one has represented District 2.

1455
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:30,900
May I point out, in District 2, we have two planned urban developments that have come

1456
01:51:30,900 --> 01:51:34,640
before the council, and they both have gone before the courts.

1457
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:42,760
It is an area that needs to be represented and they need to have a voice.

1458
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:51,140
I understand everything you all said about District 1 and I would love to help you

1459
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:59,700
champion those causes, however you have someone at least you have one person currently

1460
01:52:00,260 --> 01:52:01,980
serving District 1.

1461
01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:11,840
and there's no one for District 2, and I just think it's sad and depressing that the District

1462
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,540
2 member reached out and said, hey, I want to be on this committee, I want to be involved

1463
01:52:16,540 --> 01:52:16,960
in this.

1464
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:17,980
And they weren't given that.

1465
01:52:17,980 --> 01:52:19,460
I think I want to do a point of order.

1466
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,680
You're challenging who was nominate or who was asked to discuss this.

1467
01:52:24,780 --> 01:52:26,220
That needs to stop.

1468
01:52:26,260 --> 01:52:26,940
It's not a debate.

1469
01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:32,920
Yeah, this is not a debate of how this was chosen, and I would say if the House had not been finished in the sanctuary

1470
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:34,740
technically Mr. Potter

1471
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:43,540
Was district two was district two until three weeks ago and so I go back to

1472
01:52:43,540 --> 01:52:52,420
There is a significant portion of the city of Mandaville that a lot of people don't want to recognize that three weeks ago that blue dot would have been in the blue

1473
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:54,680
I am offended

1474
01:52:54,680 --> 01:53:00,380
We did. Absolutely offended that you're challenging how the representation is going on.

1475
01:53:01,500 --> 01:53:08,440
Mr. Chairman, let me speak. I've given you all time and I've been very generous. No, no, let me speak. Jason, I'm the chair.

1476
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:15,240
I'm just saying it like a corner when you finish, please. I'm going to say something. You can't say things and not let's get a response.

1477
01:53:15,740 --> 01:53:21,220
First of all, I just want to make a comment. There's only two people that can be appointed for this committee.

1478
01:53:21,220 --> 01:53:24,040
So I chose myself. I'm the chair

1479
01:53:25,380 --> 01:53:31,580
Secondly, I have to make a choice I offered it to another district member and they declined so then I offered it

1480
01:53:31,580 --> 01:53:37,860
I didn't I can't split it and give half to Kevin and I can't split it and give half to Cynthia

1481
01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:45,440
I'm forced to make a choice between the two so I can't be blamed and said I need pick two and two doesn't have someone up there

1482
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:48,020
Look, I wasn't on the council four years ago

1483
01:53:48,020 --> 01:53:55,600
this should have never happened. We shouldn't be in this situation, but I'm not finished. I'm not finished. I gave you all

1484
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:02,760
time to speak. I'm going to finish speaking. This city map is all you need to look at. And what we're trying to say

1485
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:09,480
here is we understand, but look at the cluster of people that are on the blue and yellow. That is where all the

1486
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:16,380
power in the city lies. The city's structure is designed as district one, two, and three. Granted, we have a

1487
01:54:16,380 --> 01:54:21,080
from each district and we have two at large. We don't have that set up here.

1488
01:54:21,460 --> 01:54:26,300
What we have here is everything's in district three, nothing in two, and one person in one.

1489
01:54:26,620 --> 01:54:32,280
So it tells me that we not only have, we have more than one issue with this whole situation.

1490
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:38,420
Now, I'm not going to say any more. I'm going to let, we nominated our candidate.

1491
01:54:38,660 --> 01:54:42,360
I don't know if we need to have any more debate about it. I think the debate comes next week.

1492
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,900
it states here, nomination of candidate.

1493
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:47,920
I spoke, Cynthia spoke.

1494
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,900
Mr. Chairman, I've asked for the floor several times.

1495
01:54:50,020 --> 01:54:50,840
And I'll ask, I'm going to let you speak.

1496
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:51,740
And that's it.

1497
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:52,500
Thank you.

1498
01:54:52,740 --> 01:54:55,060
Now wait, surely someone's going to let me talk.

1499
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:56,920
I'm going to let that hate governor always do,

1500
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:58,440
but let's wrap it up.

1501
01:54:58,580 --> 01:55:00,180
I would like to make a point.

1502
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,820
And because I'm going to, I'm going

1503
01:55:02,820 --> 01:55:04,880
to object to Ms. Wrong Thompson's objection

1504
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,960
because I've got a real problem with this.

1505
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,480
And it's happened to me up here before.

1506
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,860
for. Miss McGuire has earned the right to voice her opinion up here. You may not like

1507
01:55:13,860 --> 01:55:18,100
it. I've been on the council. I've served a previous term and I've had other council

1508
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:23,160
members speaking. Things I flat out didn't agree with. But I've never yelled at them and

1509
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,600
I've never told them they don't have the right to do it. Miss McGuire was making a point.

1510
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:31,120
She absolutely has the right to question everything anybody does on this council. And I think

1511
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:34,840
you're out of order. I wanted to make that point. Thank you.

1512
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:39,300
I also would like to say that I was the other council member that was approached to make

1513
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:40,180
this decision.

1514
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:46,300
I didn't want to step on the toes of council of district one and district two because

1515
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:49,360
I feel that my district is most definitely represented.

1516
01:55:50,980 --> 01:55:56,860
And I called Kevin and told him, look, I've been asked to do this.

1517
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:00,140
Do you want me to take this ball or would you like it?

1518
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:01,580
He said, I would like the ball.

1519
01:56:01,580 --> 01:56:06,520
and then he reached out to Scott. Scott decided not to, and that's fine. That's fine.

1520
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,340
But what we have here, and what I would really love,

1521
01:56:12,020 --> 01:56:19,400
is I would love to hear from the District 2 constituents about how they feel about this.

1522
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:28,060
How do they feel about the fact that no one is on the Planning and Zoning Commission representing them?

1523
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:32,660
And let me also state, let me go back to the whole qualification thing.

1524
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:37,860
These candidates are beautifully qualified.

1525
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:44,300
So we're not talking about the fact that someone in district, one of these is not qualified.

1526
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:45,540
They are so qualified.

1527
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:51,020
So for me, maybe I should have taken you up on the offer and been on the committee because

1528
01:56:51,020 --> 01:56:55,600
As I would have, as a deal breaker said, all right, they're all qualified.

1529
01:56:55,840 --> 01:57:01,660
They all want to serve, and it's obvious because they've all applied more than once.

1530
01:57:02,060 --> 01:57:05,760
Then let's look at what's going down the pipeline.

1531
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:12,460
We've got the comp plan going on, and we've got some big major developments that are probably

1532
01:57:12,460 --> 01:57:15,800
going to come back before planning and zoning.

1533
01:57:16,460 --> 01:57:20,180
And I just want to, Jason's the one that pointed this out to me, so I wanted to make sure

1534
01:57:20,180 --> 01:57:25,980
that everybody heard this part the reason why we're bringing up the comp plan is that we don't get to vote on it.

1535
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:30,020
The council doesn't vote on it. It's the commission that's going to vote on it.

1536
01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:37,240
It means that District 2 is not going to be represented if we take this nomination again.

1537
01:57:37,500 --> 01:57:44,080
I love Sean. I think he would do a great job but I'm so concerned about it's not an east side west side thing.

1538
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:51,940
We've got a middle. Okay. District two is very much part of the city and deserves a voice just like district one and district three do.

1539
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:56,760
Okay, so thank you. So we're going to wrap this up. I'll let you speak. Mr. Councilman.

1540
01:57:56,760 --> 01:58:06,360
I promise you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Let me start by saying thank you to Councilman Zuckeren Councilman Guyer for your kind words and for standing up in support of a district two.

1541
01:58:06,940 --> 01:58:12,380
I'm an optimist. I'm a glass of full kind of guy. I want to start off with the best news of the night as I see it.

1542
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:14,000
We have an embarrassment of riches.

1543
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:21,100
We have three highly motivated, mandavilions, super qualified, and that's great.

1544
01:58:21,900 --> 01:58:26,520
And to Mr. Potter and his wife who are here today, I will tell you publicly what I told

1545
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:27,700
you on the phone earlier today.

1546
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:33,340
If the council confirms your appointment, I know that you will do a great job, and I have

1547
01:58:33,860 --> 01:58:37,460
absolute confidence that you would, and you're clearly very qualified and experienced.

1548
01:58:37,460 --> 01:58:41,460
You've applied three times, it's your third time, and we all appreciate that.

1549
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:43,720
All right, now look,

1550
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:48,370
you can,

1551
01:58:50,740 --> 01:58:52,160
at the end of the day,

1552
01:58:54,530 --> 01:58:56,750
the planning, zoning commission is

1553
01:58:56,750 --> 01:59:01,170
going to make all of these decisions that affect the lives and the property of the people

1554
01:59:01,170 --> 01:59:02,510
that live in the city of Mandaville.

1555
01:59:04,170 --> 01:59:07,430
And I get your argument, Mr. Chair, I do.

1556
01:59:07,870 --> 01:59:10,450
I live on the west side, I'm a west side guy.

1557
01:59:10,450 --> 01:59:15,330
The majority of my district lives on the west side.

1558
01:59:15,810 --> 01:59:19,030
I care very much, but one of the things I ran on, the 12X Park.

1559
01:59:19,410 --> 01:59:21,610
There's no fundamental city park on the west side.

1560
01:59:21,610 --> 01:59:22,970
That's an issue important to me.

1561
01:59:23,370 --> 01:59:26,430
The drainage issues on the west side, critically important to me.

1562
01:59:26,570 --> 01:59:27,570
I ran on that as well.

1563
01:59:28,690 --> 01:59:32,870
District two, however, is the only district that straddles both the west and the east.

1564
01:59:34,110 --> 01:59:39,110
District two is the only district that doesn't have a resident on Plany and Zoning.

1565
01:59:39,110 --> 01:59:40,350
and we haven't for quite some time.

1566
01:59:40,970 --> 01:59:45,970
Now, so what you might ask, well, the nice way

1567
01:59:45,970 --> 01:59:49,150
to talk about it are in these lofty ideas

1568
01:59:49,150 --> 01:59:52,450
that all Americans have, due process, representation,

1569
01:59:53,590 --> 01:59:55,650
franchisement, what's the first thing

1570
01:59:55,650 --> 01:59:59,130
that a third grader in American history class

1571
01:59:59,130 --> 01:59:59,870
learns in school?

1572
02:00:00,940 --> 02:00:10,000
No taxation without representation. And I get it. There's not someone that's deep into sanctuary

1573
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,920
boulevage up there. I get that. Mr. Quillin lives on the west side that checks that box.

1574
02:00:15,380 --> 02:00:19,740
He lives in district one that checks that box. When a district one resident has to go to

1575
02:00:19,740 --> 02:00:26,580
planning and zoning and put their property or their life to the commission, they will feel

1576
02:00:26,580 --> 02:00:31,500
No good knowing that they have at least one person that is familiar with the area, that

1577
02:00:31,900 --> 02:00:36,200
they can call on, that can speak to their issues.

1578
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:42,320
Now, Madam City Attorney, if you like the floor, you can have the floor when I'm done.

1579
02:00:42,860 --> 02:00:43,640
Thank you very much.

1580
02:00:44,180 --> 02:00:49,260
Now, no one from District 2 is going to have that benefit.

1581
02:00:50,100 --> 02:01:01,880
And so, when we get to the master plan rewrite, who is going to be the person on planning and zoning that's going to be familiar with the unique characteristics of District 2?

1582
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:13,840
When we get to the comprehensive master plan rewrite, who's going to be the person that's intimately familiar with the two largest undeveloped tracks of land in the city, which is the old Copeland property, and which is the portmary property?

1583
02:01:14,460 --> 02:01:15,840
We're not going to have anybody up there.

1584
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:21,420
Now, it'd be one thing, it'd be one thing if there was no qualified applicants from district two.

1585
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:28,040
It'd be one thing, if the only applicant from district two, you know, just didn't cut the mustard.

1586
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:32,640
Now, I'm going to reserve some of my comments for our voting meeting, so I'm not going to get too much

1587
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:37,240
into it, but I appreciate that because I'm going to reserve some of my comments to the next meeting, too,

1588
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:39,040
but I do want to say that I'm not finished.

1589
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,240
I thought you just offered me that for a second.

1590
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:40,780
I'm not finished.

1591
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:42,840
Take it, take it, take it.

1592
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:46,120
You addressed the judge by Mr. Rosinoe.

1593
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:46,860
You're a city attorney.

1594
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:48,220
You know that's not appropriate?

1595
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:50,520
His name is Judge Rosinoe.

1596
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:56,280
I could also call him Colonel Rosinoe because he's a retired 20-year Air Force Colonel.

1597
02:01:56,900 --> 02:01:59,560
He's spent his entire career in the Judd Advocate General.

1598
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:00,240
Wait.

1599
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:00,980
You're out of line.

1600
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:01,320
We're not.

1601
02:02:01,540 --> 02:02:02,300
Point of order.

1602
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,660
This is not who we've nominated at this time.

1603
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:05,400
This is it.

1604
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:06,360
I'm the chair.

1605
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:07,300
So we're going to close it.

1606
02:02:07,580 --> 02:02:08,300
I have one thing to say.

1607
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:09,140
One more thing to say.

1608
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:16,400
But one more thing Kevin Kevin but Kevin this is what I want to know Kevin see what you're doing you're turning this into something

1609
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:22,800
Stop doing that talk calmly. I'm not going to allow me to do this all the time now. Don't do it. All right. Tell you what no

1610
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,900
I'm telling you let's calm it down. I'll be calm. I'm going to very calmly say this one last thing

1611
02:02:28,540 --> 02:02:28,940
I

1612
02:02:28,940 --> 02:02:34,600
Appreciate it. I would never take it away from Councilman strong Thompson that she feels very strongly about the people that live in her district

1613
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:38,960
I applaud her for that. That's what I'm doing as well to the chairman. I will say this

1614
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:41,380
You represent everybody in the city of Andeville.

1615
02:02:42,220 --> 02:02:49,180
I don't know how you can show your face in district two knowing that you cut them out of planning and zoning.

1616
02:02:49,620 --> 02:02:51,340
And with that, I'll reserve.

1617
02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:53,380
Okay, so that's, thank you very much, your speech.

1618
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:57,000
And for you to make that kind of assumption, I think that's kind of low below.

1619
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:01,440
I am the chairman of the council and I am the councilman at large.

1620
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:04,140
I received the most votes of anyone that ran for office.

1621
02:03:04,140 --> 02:03:10,840
I campaigned in all areas of the city, and I was well respected in all areas of the city for you to say that is disrespectful.

1622
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:17,500
Number two, apologize for calling Mr. Rosenel, it should have been judge rose now, people make mistakes, I'm human.

1623
02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:29,560
For me to sit here and try and say that I'm not, that I should be forced to nominate someone else other than who I've chosen with the assistance of the person that we did this because you asked for us to do it.

1624
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:33,460
But I've voted for your motion when Jason and I had a motion.

1625
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:37,740
Once again, trying to be maybe working with everybody up here.

1626
02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:40,340
And then now you're going to throw it back on me because you don't like who I chose.

1627
02:03:40,660 --> 02:03:42,120
I think that's just, just in generous.

1628
02:03:42,540 --> 02:03:44,940
With that in mind, the nomination has been made.

1629
02:03:45,340 --> 02:03:47,800
It's Sean Potter, and then that's where it is.

1630
02:03:48,180 --> 02:03:52,240
Now, without further ado, we'll guess we'll go on to number three.

1631
02:03:53,460 --> 02:03:54,560
Okay, we second it.

1632
02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:56,960
No, we need to, that's right, I'm sorry.

1633
02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:00,720
All right, so we need, I think we need public comments, so excuse me.

1634
02:04:01,060 --> 02:04:03,140
I don't think there's a vote according to the resolution.

1635
02:04:03,620 --> 02:04:05,120
I think it's a motion and a second for a number.

1636
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:05,920
Yeah, I think it is a motion.

1637
02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:06,940
Okay, thank you Jason.

1638
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:09,500
Mr. Zacherman, I appreciate your help as always.

1639
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:11,660
So is that correct?

1640
02:04:12,900 --> 02:04:19,960
So we just need to do a second it, so it's going to be voted on the next meeting.

1641
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:24,160
No, no, we have to vote to accept the nomination.

1642
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:25,960
Okay, so all in favor say aye.

1643
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:29,000
I. I. I. Okay.

1644
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:37,020
No, I don't think you're going to vote. You have to pop public comment for a vote.

1645
02:04:39,610 --> 02:04:40,610
Let's hear from the public.

1646
02:04:42,490 --> 02:04:46,510
I thought we had the public. Okay. Public comment. Who's who wants to go first?

1647
02:04:50,090 --> 02:04:53,870
Please state your name and your address for the record. Thank you.

1648
02:04:57,100 --> 02:05:02,460
I'm Theodore Ralph, 198 Cindy Lou Place, old golden shores.

1649
02:05:03,260 --> 02:05:09,260
That is an excellent map up there, and y'all have had an excellent conversation today.

1650
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:18,100
One thing that really has struck me for almost the 32 years that I've been here is District

1651
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:19,700
2 is a step child.

1652
02:05:19,860 --> 02:05:21,120
Let's get right down to it.

1653
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:25,820
I like the idea of Mr. Potter being over here.

1654
02:05:25,820 --> 02:05:32,840
at least we'll have two on the west side because we keep talking about Port Marony and we keep

1655
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:37,580
talking about Sue Kett. Well, you're about ready to have another one in front of you very shortly.

1656
02:05:38,860 --> 02:05:44,740
The city had it about 15 years ago and it's a very good chance that you're going to have another

1657
02:05:44,740 --> 02:05:52,660
lawsuit. It would really be nice if we did have someone from District 2, particularly on the west

1658
02:05:52,660 --> 02:06:01,440
side of District 2 that we would have that person to go to to talk about this situation

1659
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:02,480
that's coming up.

1660
02:06:08,180 --> 02:06:10,220
I get it about the cluster up here.

1661
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:20,520
I don't know how you really straighten out this inequity but it is a very serious inequity.

1662
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:21,560
Thank you.

1663
02:06:22,020 --> 02:06:23,040
Thank you for your comment.

1664
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,200
Do we have anybody else from the back that would like to speak?

1665
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:35,390
No one wants to speak Miss Becky can you please come up stage your full name and address for the record. Thank you very much.

1666
02:06:35,470 --> 02:06:39,070
Robert Carrera about 2525 Lake Shore Drive.

1667
02:06:39,790 --> 02:06:43,750
I appreciate really everything on y'all of all set.

1668
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:54,390
And I'm glad to see the council is taking so seriously appointment for planning and zoning because it's one of our most important operations.

1669
02:06:54,390 --> 02:07:14,350
But I think when I look back over the decades and heard every council go through exactly what y'all done tonight and all the other iterations that have come up, I would like to point out a couple of things.

1670
02:07:15,790 --> 02:07:27,510
A good P and Z person will educate himself about every aspect in the city and address it right.

1671
02:07:27,810 --> 02:07:31,770
And when you want to appoint people who are willing to spread broadly.

1672
02:07:32,290 --> 02:07:38,270
And as for the underrepresented district two, I think you're overlooking a couple of things.

1673
02:07:38,270 --> 02:07:45,110
the chairman of P&C for over 30 years came from District 2 and he made it a point to learn

1674
02:07:45,110 --> 02:07:52,050
his job and his craft and spread it all over the city, everything that is in the present

1675
02:07:52,050 --> 02:07:58,950
chloro book, which was written while he was chairman, chose his influence.

1676
02:08:00,010 --> 02:08:09,710
You're also overlooking the way the yellow of District 3 bumps out over into District 2.

1677
02:08:10,530 --> 02:08:16,470
You're overlooking the present chairman and how passionately involved he was in the

1678
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:20,970
two undeveloped properties that you keep referring to in District 2.

1679
02:08:21,370 --> 02:08:22,530
That's his neighborhood.

1680
02:08:22,970 --> 02:08:27,730
He doesn't care where those little lines are drawn or what color the Districts are.

1681
02:08:27,730 --> 02:08:35,110
He got out and worked for what he thought was the right thing to do for his broader neighborhood

1682
02:08:35,930 --> 02:08:38,930
It's almost insulting to say that

1683
02:08:39,650 --> 02:08:47,630
Distribute you're not represented on the count on the P and Z board. It's highly represented and that's just current personalities

1684
02:08:47,630 --> 02:08:51,330
The other point I'd like to make that none of you have thought of is

1685
02:08:51,330 --> 02:08:58,490
The way turnover is happening and will happen during your tenure on zoning.

1686
02:08:58,770 --> 02:09:01,770
Zoning is a seven-year appointment. It's a long time.

1687
02:09:02,750 --> 02:09:09,370
And it takes that long for a person to really learn about zoning law and how to properly apply it.

1688
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:17,410
Often people for family business reasons have to resign before that seven years is up.

1689
02:09:17,410 --> 02:09:19,950
You're going to have turnover.

1690
02:09:20,730 --> 02:09:26,170
Don't fret yourselves and hang yourselves on this one appointment this time.

1691
02:09:26,670 --> 02:09:30,610
You're going to have more opportunities and more people considered.

1692
02:09:31,690 --> 02:09:34,810
Please get the best person for our entire family.

1693
02:09:35,670 --> 02:09:36,950
Thank you for your comment.

1694
02:09:38,010 --> 02:09:41,210
Do we have anybody else from the back of the audience that we'd like to speak?

1695
02:09:44,210 --> 02:09:45,070
You can speak.

1696
02:09:45,910 --> 02:09:50,070
Come on up. Please state your name and address and thank you for coming.

1697
02:09:50,610 --> 02:09:56,750
Chloe Potter, Sean's wife. We live at 19 Cardinal and we are in District 1.

1698
02:09:57,550 --> 02:10:02,630
Up until a few weeks ago when we moved there, we lived in District 2.

1699
02:10:03,130 --> 02:10:08,050
And we bought our family home in District 2. Our children attend school in District 2.

1700
02:10:08,910 --> 02:10:12,770
I've lived in District 1 for 38 years of my life here.

1701
02:10:12,770 --> 02:10:17,310
except when I went off to college for those six years too long.

1702
02:10:18,170 --> 02:10:23,870
But anyway, and Sean, I know he, in his heart,

1703
02:10:24,170 --> 02:10:26,890
to do what's right for our whole city of Mandible.

1704
02:10:27,510 --> 02:10:31,050
I, as his wife, this is my home, I've been here my entire life.

1705
02:10:31,670 --> 02:10:33,670
And he hasn't actually.

1706
02:10:34,110 --> 02:10:39,850
So he has me behind him because my family is still here.

1707
02:10:39,850 --> 02:11:03,130
We're in district one, our kids, I mean, we occupy district two on a daily basis, we care about it, we love it, I know he's not currently residing in district two, but we have background there, we raised our family there, our kids go to school there, and I know Sean would be a good representative of all districts in our entire community, and that's it, thank you.

1708
02:11:03,130 --> 02:11:05,990
Thank you so much for your, for coming up.

1709
02:11:07,050 --> 02:11:10,530
Is there anybody else that would like to speak from the back of the audience?

1710
02:11:11,210 --> 02:11:17,490
Okay, there's no other, and point of city attorney.

1711
02:11:18,430 --> 02:11:22,390
Do we have to do a roll call to accept the nomination?

1712
02:11:25,410 --> 02:11:29,050
Or is it just a nomination, it's just a first and a second?

1713
02:11:29,370 --> 02:11:30,930
I would think maybe that's the appropriate.

1714
02:11:30,930 --> 02:11:37,190
it because we are making the nomination. How can the nomination not?

1715
02:11:37,670 --> 02:11:38,070
Correct.

1716
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:38,910
Pass.

1717
02:11:39,190 --> 02:11:44,550
Question nine says and I'll read it again. These two council members shall make a motion

1718
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:49,370
in a second nominating an individual for selection and appointment to the commission's

1719
02:11:49,370 --> 02:11:49,890
period.

1720
02:11:50,910 --> 02:11:55,470
Yes, so we make the nomination. So the nomination is Sean Potter and then I think we move

1721
02:11:55,470 --> 02:11:56,750
on to number three. Is that correct?

1722
02:11:57,350 --> 02:12:08,390
Okay, so thank you for coming today, Sean and Chloe, and we'll have a decision on this, looks like it's going to be November 21st.

1723
02:12:09,530 --> 02:12:21,850
And then on number three, if that's okay to everybody, good discussion, let's move on to number three, approval of date change for the December Council meeting, the change meeting from December 12th to December 19th, I just need a motion in a second.

1724
02:12:21,850 --> 02:12:22,850
Fifth.

1725
02:12:24,270 --> 02:12:25,730
Second second, thank you.

1726
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:26,730
Councilman Zuckerman.

1727
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:27,890
All in favor say aye.

1728
02:12:28,150 --> 02:12:28,410
Aye.

1729
02:12:28,910 --> 02:12:30,090
Okay, thank you.

1730
02:12:30,250 --> 02:12:30,850
That's approved.

1731
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:38,190
The-the December Councilman meeting will be note your fouls December 19th.

1732
02:12:38,190 --> 02:12:39,170
Number four,

1733
02:12:41,460 --> 02:12:44,080
approval of substantial-

1734
02:12:45,740 --> 02:12:46,860
December 19th?

1735
02:12:47,780 --> 02:12:50,420
So, if I'm not mistaken, can someone correct me?

1736
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:52,480
We only have two more meetings, is that correct?

1737
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:56,880
November 21st and December 19th, so no take your calendars.

1738
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:04,760
I'm trying to speak up here, please, Mr. Brigadier, thank you.

1739
02:13:05,420 --> 02:13:07,340
Come on, y'all, let's have some respect.

1740
02:13:08,020 --> 02:13:10,140
Number four, approval of substantial completion.

1741
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:16,920
Roadway and drainage maintenance task order six, seven and a motion.

1742
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:18,420
I need a motion in second.

1743
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:19,260
I move.

1744
02:13:19,740 --> 02:13:20,120
Second.

1745
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:23,040
Okay, we need a discussion.

1746
02:13:23,340 --> 02:13:24,120
You want to handle this?

1747
02:13:24,120 --> 02:13:26,540
Is this an introduction or this is an approval?

1748
02:13:26,780 --> 02:13:27,740
That's an approval, okay.

1749
02:13:27,940 --> 02:13:31,120
Thank you, so we'll have our public works director.

1750
02:13:31,500 --> 02:13:34,340
I appreciate if you would let us know what's going on here please.

1751
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:39,360
Or I'll take it, bus align, digital engineering.

1752
02:13:39,780 --> 02:13:44,100
This is to allow the city to grant substantial completion for three task orders

1753
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:47,840
under the 2022 road and drainage maintenance contract.

1754
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:49,820
The task order six, seven, and eight.

1755
02:13:50,140 --> 02:13:52,960
All the services within those will be formed and inspected.

1756
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:57,740
and so we're asking now to allow the mayor to execute those documents.

1757
02:14:01,450 --> 02:14:02,230
Okay, thank you.

1758
02:14:02,430 --> 02:14:05,630
So do we have any motion and second?

1759
02:14:06,290 --> 02:14:10,790
I guess all we need is there's no other discussion, any discussion for any council members up here?

1760
02:14:11,310 --> 02:14:12,950
You need to ask for a comment for it.

1761
02:14:13,150 --> 02:14:15,670
Yeah, and then we'll do public comment, any questions from the public?

1762
02:14:16,110 --> 02:14:18,250
Okay, and there's no questions from the public.

1763
02:14:18,430 --> 02:14:23,490
We will go ahead and put this out for an A. All in favor say aye.

1764
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:24,030
Aye.

1765
02:14:24,030 --> 02:14:25,450
So it's approved.

1766
02:14:25,770 --> 02:14:32,070
So substantial completion, task order 6, 7, and 8 is approved.

1767
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:37,570
And then we'll go number 5, approval of change order number 1, for

1768
02:14:37,570 --> 02:14:41,810
harbor field upgrades, I just need a motion and a second, please.

1769
02:14:42,490 --> 02:14:42,830
Motion.

1770
02:14:43,370 --> 02:14:43,630
Second.

1771
02:14:44,190 --> 02:14:44,670
Thank you.

1772
02:14:45,050 --> 02:14:51,070
Both of you, councilwoman, we have somewhat y'all want to take this one too.

1773
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:51,910
Okay, thank you.

1774
02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:52,310
Sure.

1775
02:14:52,730 --> 02:14:58,450
Tina to one adds roughly $32,000 in construction costs or for the Hall of the Field Upgrades

1776
02:14:58,450 --> 02:14:58,890
project.

1777
02:14:59,290 --> 02:14:59,970
Some of the

1778
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:31,110
Additional work was added during the construction phase and negotiated with KBSs here, violence here as well, and the contractor. It increased the total contract value from just over 1.3 million, 1.375 to 1.4 million dollars, and it also added 87 days to the contract time, due to some delays when they were relocating a click on energy line. Thank you for the information. Do we have any discussion from

1779
02:15:31,110 --> 02:15:37,010
How many of the council people up here, persons, any discussion from the public?

1780
02:15:38,190 --> 02:15:41,390
Please state your name and address, and I appreciate you coming up to speak.

1781
02:15:42,810 --> 02:15:47,410
Theodore Ralph, 198 Cindy Lou, please, ogle and show us.

1782
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:48,890
Did I hear you right?

1783
02:15:49,150 --> 02:15:51,530
We spent 1.4 million on Harvard field.

1784
02:15:52,170 --> 02:15:52,530
Total.

1785
02:15:53,190 --> 02:15:53,810
That is correct.

1786
02:15:54,530 --> 02:15:55,010
Thank you.

1787
02:15:58,060 --> 02:16:03,140
Okay, so any other public comment, if there's no other public comment, we will

1788
02:16:03,140 --> 02:16:06,360
go ahead and do an all in favor say aye.

1789
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:07,400
Aye.

1790
02:16:08,020 --> 02:16:09,500
Okay, so that's approved.

1791
02:16:09,820 --> 02:16:12,100
So we approved charge order number one for

1792
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:13,060
Harborfield upgrades.

1793
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:16,240
Then we go into number six.

1794
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:19,680
We got introduction of ordinance 24-39 in

1795
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:21,860
ordinance of the city council of the city of

1796
02:16:21,860 --> 02:16:25,000
Manabelle to amend ordinance number 24-23.

1797
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:27,360
The capital budget of the city of

1798
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,180
Manabelle and for other matters in connection there with.

1799
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:32,300
Could I please get a motion?

1800
02:16:32,300 --> 02:16:32,660
motion.

1801
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:33,600
A second.

1802
02:16:33,940 --> 02:16:34,800
Is there a second?

1803
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:35,200
Second.

1804
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:36,040
Okay.

1805
02:16:36,180 --> 02:16:37,120
Thank you, ladies.

1806
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:41,060
That's just an introduction so we don't need to vote.

1807
02:16:42,100 --> 02:16:45,420
Number seven, adoption of Resolution 24-62.

1808
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:49,500
This is a resolution of the City Council of the City of Mandeville accepting the bids for

1809
02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:54,060
the sewer and water maintenance project and authorizing the mayor to execute a contract

1810
02:16:54,060 --> 02:17:00,180
with the parent low bidder, subterranean construction LLC and providing for other matters and connection

1811
02:17:00,180 --> 02:17:03,220
there with, I could use a motion and a second, please.

1812
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:03,880
Motion.

1813
02:17:04,220 --> 02:17:04,600
Second.

1814
02:17:05,220 --> 02:17:07,520
And would there be any discussion from the council?

1815
02:17:08,660 --> 02:17:10,020
Let's throw it over to public works.

1816
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:10,580
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

1817
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:13,080
You want to take care of this, Mr. Lawrence?

1818
02:17:13,340 --> 02:17:17,600
Yeah, the prior 2021 sewer and water maintenance contract was

1819
02:17:17,600 --> 02:17:20,900
expiring this year to city advertise for a new project at 2024.

1820
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:26,040
Sewer and water maintenance project and two bids were received on October 9th.

1821
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:30,060
They were evaluated and subjecturing everyone was found to be responsible and

1822
02:17:30,060 --> 02:17:35,600
lowest bidder. So basically the contract documents have put forward to go ahead for approval.

1823
02:17:37,340 --> 02:17:41,280
Thank you very much. Okay, so with this subterranean has been doing

1824
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:46,100
our other projects right now, too, correct? That is correct. Okay, one of the things I noticed

1825
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:51,220
were when we have to do a lot of change orders throughout, because there was a significant

1826
02:17:51,220 --> 02:17:56,820
difference between these two bids, but they are the ones that have been doing the work so

1827
02:17:56,820 --> 02:17:59,400
far, correct? That's correct. They had to provide a contract.

1828
02:17:59,700 --> 02:18:05,540
Okay. And just to add, the numbers really higher than let than the previous 2021 because we added

1829
02:18:05,540 --> 02:18:11,140
the, what we call, see I cook in place pipe, CIPP lining. So that's a whole separate line item in

1830
02:18:11,140 --> 02:18:15,720
the capital budget that, yeah, that's where you lawn in the interior of a pipe, cook it to 800 degrees

1831
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:20,980
and it makes a new pipe inside. Just some of these corrugated metal pipes and they're in backyards and

1832
02:18:22,340 --> 02:18:25,980
it just, it saves, it saves. So part of this pricing is some of the improvements

1833
02:18:25,980 --> 02:18:27,900
that you discussed before. Okay, thank you, sir.

1834
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:41,200
Excuse me. Thank you. Any other comment from the public, from the council? Anything from you guys? Okay. Thank you. And then anything from the public?

1835
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:45,540
Okay, so we can go all in favor say aye.

1836
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:46,360
Aye.

1837
02:18:47,300 --> 02:18:56,120
Okay, thank you. That's been adoption. We have adopted Resolution 2462. Now we'll go into public comment. Do we have any public comment?

1838
02:18:59,720 --> 02:19:05,060
Okay, so I guess we'll just do a motion in a second if we go to our adjournment.

1839
02:19:05,660 --> 02:19:06,020
Motion.

1840
02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:08,100
I second it.

1841
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:10,880
Okay, meeting adjourned.

1842
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:11,360
Thank you.