1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,480 started with this tonight. Please call the role. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,839 » Seager >> here. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,040 » Burllo >> here. 4 00:00:06,319 --> 00:00:08,320 » Rober >> here. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,960 » Trxillo >> here. 6 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,440 » Milligan Gaines >> here. 7 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,559 » Martino. Narcissis >> here. 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,679 » Walker >> here. 9 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,800 » Barios >> here. 10 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,880 » Blanchard >> here. 11 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:21,039 » Crow here. >> We have a quorum. Would you like to 12 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:24,240 appoint alternates? >> Please appoint the alternates. Like to 13 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:28,560 call the meeting to order. Announcements. Please silence all phones 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:34,000 and electronic devices. Please do so now. Um, appeals. If your agenda item 15 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:39,440 does not go either for or against the way you want, uh, you wish, you can, um, 16 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:43,600 appeal to the parish council. Speaker cards are over here on the credenza. If 17 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,800 you're not the petitioner, we ask you to fill out a speaker card so we can call 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:51,680 on you if you wish to speak at the time of the agenda item. Public speaking be 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,760 five minutes each side for or against, and three minutes additional time for 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:59,760 comments. After your item is heard, you can exit the building. just please do so 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:04,199 in an orderly manner. Please rise for the invocation and the pledge of 22 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:04,199 allegiance. 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:14,799 Heavenly Father, we come to you this evening asking for your guidance, 24 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:19,040 wisdom, and discernment. As we gather here in service to our community, as we 25 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:24,799 discuss the important matters on our tonight's agenda, grant us the capacity 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:30,320 to listen attentively to one another, to respect diverse perspectives, and to 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:34,799 approach our discussions with humility and fairness. 28 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:39,600 Bless our parish and its employees who labor for the betterment of St. Tam 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:44,159 Parish. Help us work together towards solutions that promote the common good 30 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:48,720 and justice for all. Amen. >> Amen. 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:54,960 » I pledgece to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:02:00,360 for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 all. 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:13,040 » Everyone should have a copy of both the July 14th and August 11th minutes uh in 35 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:17,840 their uh packet. Do we have to approve them individually? 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:23,520 » Uh, I need a motion to approve the July 14th minutes. Commissioner Walker. 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,920 » Uh, motion to to approve the minutes as written. 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,800 » Motion to approve the minutes as written. Commissioner Walker. 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,760 Commissioner Trxillo. >> I second. 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:36,840 » We have a motion and a second to approve the July 14th minutes. Please vote. 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,120 » Missing one. 42 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:53,200 Motion to approve minutes carries. >> Okay. Uh I need a motion to approve the 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:57,200 August 11th minutes. Commissioner Rober >> like to make a motion to approve. 44 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,200 » Motion to approve the minutes. Commissioner Rober. Commissioner 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Trxillo. >> Second. 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,720 » We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes. Please vote. 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,159 Motion to approve minutes carries. >> We have a public service announcement by 48 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:19,760 the director of planning and zoning. >> Yes, sir. 49 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,959 » Can you can you hit your mic? There we go. 50 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:26,560 » All right. So, a couple months ago, we were alerted about an American uh 51 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:31,440 planning association of a scam that's been going on with playing departments 52 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:36,080 across the country, specifically related to public hearings. So, what the 53 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:40,959 scammers do is they pull agendas. They look at people's information. They then 54 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:44,239 contact them using a fake email address. So, if you look at the email, it doesn't 55 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:48,959 come from Saint Tammy Parish, but it looks like it's coming from me 56 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:53,440 requesting thousands of dollars to make sure that their cases on the agenda. And 57 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:57,760 we received two emails from the public who had items on the agenda tonight um 58 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:02,000 requesting, hey, can y'all look at this? This doesn't seem right. So, I'm glad, 59 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:07,040 you know, they sent it our way. But we added a disclaimer to our application 60 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:11,840 and every agenda moving forward is going to say it's going to be an alert to say 61 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:15,040 if somebody emails you asking for money, please don't pay it. Just send it to us. 62 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:18,639 We'll work it out. But I wanted to make an announcement that scammers are 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,799 getting very creative. Uh typically we don't have a lot of money in playing 64 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,960 departments, but I guess people coming in front the commission, you know, 65 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:31,120 trying to get their stuff done and uh they feel like it's uh an easy an easy 66 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:35,120 hit. So please do not pay anything. Uh that's being requested. Thank you. 67 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,400 » Thank you. Okay, staff. Do we have any cases to 68 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:44,160 postpone? >> Yes, Mr. Chairman. We have um item 69 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:48,919 number one on the agenda, zoning case um ZC82-3-23B. 70 00:04:51,600 --> 00:05:00,759 And we also have a related case which is on the second page uh number seven 71 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,759 20254205TP. 72 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:09,280 There's a request to postpone for 1 month at this time. Probably uh want to 73 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:14,080 read both into the records and uh request postpone separately or vote 74 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:18,000 separately. And Mr. Paul Marone is here if you have any questions. 75 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:24,080 » There case number eight is O' Car. Is that not related to the major uh O 76 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:27,680 Carver amendment? >> Yes, exactly. Yes, that's correct. I'm 77 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,560 sorry. >> That's okay. So, you meant you meant 78 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:35,440 number one and number eight. >> That's correct. I apologize. Number one 79 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,400 and number eight. And Mr. Mr. is not here for number one and number 80 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,000 eight. >> Well, you can come and speak if you 81 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:47,360 like. >> Okay. So, we have a mo we have a motion 82 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:55,639 by uh staff. Uh, please read uh uh case number one into the record, please. 83 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,639 » Zoning case number ZC 820323B. 84 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,400 Major amendment to the Oak Harbor Planned Unit development. Partial 85 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:08,240 located on the south side of Oak Harbor Boulevard east of Pontter Train Drive, 86 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:17,600 Slidell Ward 9, District 12. The size is 45.34 acre. The petitioner is Angela 87 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:24,720 Irish. Um the owner is Adair Holdings LLC and the Roman Catholic Church of Ar 88 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:27,840 of the Arch Dasis. Okay. Uh does anyone in the audience 89 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,560 wish to speak in favor of the postponement? 90 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Anyone opposed? We'll bring it back to the commission. 91 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:39,440 Commissioner Robert, >> I'd like to make a motion to postpone 92 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,160 both cases for one month. >> I can only do one, so we're just going 93 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:49,479 to do one right now. I would like to make a motion to postpone case number ZC 94 00:06:46,479 --> 00:06:49,479 82-03-023B 95 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,840 for one month. >> Okay. Motion to postpone for one month. 96 00:06:53,840 --> 00:07:03,000 Commissioner Rober, Commissioner Seager. >> Second. We have a motion and a second to 97 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,000 postpone for one month. Please vote. 98 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:15,840 » Motion to postpone one month. Carries. Case number eight, 2026 4729TP. 99 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:22,400 The breezes at Oak Harbor Subdivision. Developer owner J. Bro Enterprise LLC. 100 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:26,960 Engineering Surveyor LLC and Company LLC. Parish Council District 101 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Representative Honorable Jerry Bender. General location of property is located 102 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:36,560 southwest of Oak Harbor Boulevard, east of Pontis Train Drive, Slidel Ward 9, 103 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,759 District 12. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak in favor of the 104 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:43,199 postponement? Anyone opposed? 105 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:48,240 Bring it back to the commission. Commissioner Seager 106 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:52,080 » concerning case 20264729 PTP. 107 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,879 I move to postpone for one month. >> Motion to postpone for one month. 108 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,919 Commissioner Trxillo. >> Second. 109 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:02,039 » We have a motion and a second. No further discussion. Please vote. 110 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:08,080 Staff, do we have any other cases? >> Yes, we have a request to postpone. 111 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,440 » Go ahead. >> Motion to postpone one month carries. 112 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:16,720 » Staff, >> we have a request to postpone item 113 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:22,080 number 7, 20254205 TP, Bitical Creek subdivision, parcel 114 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:27,520 one. Mr. Palmer is here to answer any questions you may have. 115 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,560 » Mr. >> thank you, Mr. Chairman. Paul 116 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:36,959 » I'm sorry. Before you get started, let's go ahead and read it into the record, 117 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:41,839 please. Item number 7 2025 4205TP Beico Creek subdivision partial one 118 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:46,000 developer owner Beico Creek Preserve LLC Parish Council District representative 119 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:51,200 Honorable Kathy Siden general location of property is located on the northwest 120 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:54,240 side of LA 1085 south of Interstate 12 Madisonville Louisiana Ward 1 District 121 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:56,320 4. >> Mr. Brown. 122 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,760 » Yes, thank you Mr. Chairman members of the commission. Paul Maroon on behalf of 123 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Beico Creek Preserve LLC. We are requesting that the matter be tabled um 124 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:12,080 tonight uh for a month. As you all know, at last month's meeting, uh there were a 125 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:17,839 lot of comments uh suggestions uh from the commission and others as to um 126 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:22,080 changes that perhaps could be made to the plan. We've been working and 127 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:26,000 investigating those, but there are a lot of moving parts to that and we simply 128 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:29,360 need more time to be able to determine if we can make some of those changes, if 129 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,080 we can comply with some of those requests and we need that time to do 130 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 that. >> Okay. Thank you very much. 131 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,000 » Thank you. >> Does anyone 132 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Does anyone the So, I just want to give a little bit more background than than 133 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:47,279 Mr. Marone just gave. So, we we heard y'all's uh comments and everything at 134 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:52,560 the last meeting. We had a meeting with the the developer. We we asked them to 135 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:57,120 maybe move everything back to its original location and try to fit the 136 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:02,000 lots as best they could into that location. They're trying to comply with 137 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:05,360 that request, but they're having some drawing engineering difficulty in 138 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:09,040 fitting that in and they just want a little bit additional time to put those 139 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:14,480 plans together. Does everybody understand that? Okay. So, does anybody 140 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,480 wish to speak in opposition to the postponement? 141 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:20,519 » Okay. 142 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:29,279 » Yes, ma'am. >> Uh Michaela Johnston, uh Mandville, I'm 143 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:32,800 just uh you know, all of the money that goes into the formation of this 144 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:38,000 neighborhood, why is it why are we asking to postpone 145 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:43,640 it when we can employ more engineers to solve this issue? Okay. I appreciate 146 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:43,640 your comments. 147 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Yes, sir. Uh Justin Schmidt on behalf of a consortium of Bedico Creek neighbors 148 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:58,079 that I represent. Uh we don't have a not so much an opposition. We don't have an 149 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:04,240 opposition to the proposal uh to the uh deferral. Uh we would like to though uh 150 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:08,560 comment that u just for the record. Uh based on the staff preliminary staff's 151 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:14,959 report, it appears there's still issues outstanding that Mr. um Marose talked 152 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:22,800 about as far as the second entrance uh the drainage issues and then also the 153 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:31,360 there was apparently a uh September 1st 2026 um markup of some plans um that 154 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:35,839 we're not we're not privy to that we'd just like to get out. uh if those can be 155 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,360 released by sta if you know you have staff release those to us that'd be 156 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:43,120 helpful that that would be you know you can go 157 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,279 and ask for that information from from staff I'm sure that they can comply with 158 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,360 that >> that's it thank you thank you anyone 159 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,360 else wish to speak in opposition to the postponement 160 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:02,560 so I had something planned but it's not quite as planned today so I'm going to 161 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,920 go load off a script Okay. As long as that long as that 162 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:09,120 script is related to the postponement. Okay. 163 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:14,320 » Okay. So, first and foremost, you know, I'm ready. We're ready. We're here again 164 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:19,279 and they're not ready. Um, and I want to talk about the section 900 3.2 as it, 165 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,519 you know, we all know the multiple ingress egress. 166 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:26,800 You know, Paul said last time that he didn't believe that they were in 167 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:32,720 violation. It's kind of interesting word to say I don't believe when in fact I do 168 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:39,760 believe and know that they are because here we are in 2026 and in April 2025 169 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:46,160 there was a major amendment change from the uh commercial to residential 170 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:52,000 and now there in May 25 2025 there was a concept plan submission. These are major 171 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:56,480 amendment changes in section 100 1.3b. This addresses applications completed 172 00:12:54,399 --> 00:13:01,600 before the current code took effect. Which specific earlier applications 173 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:05,440 ordinance or approval exempts this change residential plan from access 174 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:10,399 requirements? I wanted them to be able to identify the 175 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:16,320 authority and explains that scope. So sir, I don't So since we don't have 176 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:20,560 the finalized plans, we don't know if it in fact does include the second entrance 177 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,760 egress. So I appreciate where you're coming from, but we're not reviewing the 178 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:27,040 plan tonight because it is a postponement. Okay. 179 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:31,680 » And so those plans may in fact include that when when they come before us. 180 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:36,160 » Okay. And then one last comment and um believe it was your general comment 181 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,279 section 4, they were talking about uh because of the area they could 182 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,240 potentially build homes. Uh they're talking about a raised elevation for 183 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,800 those homes. And I have a question for them. How high are you planning on 184 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:50,240 building those homes? 3T, 4T, 5 foot, because that area that you want to build 185 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,240 in, that was the area that was impacted most by the flood years ago. So, are you 186 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,959 going to put those homes on stilts or are we going to just build them like 187 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,519 everybody else and then, you know, you potentially put future families at risk 188 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,720 of flooding again? >> Again, that'll be that will definitely 189 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,519 be considered when we when we review the plans. 190 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:11,120 » Yes. Just want to make sure we uh focus on the safety and well-being of our 191 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:17,199 citizens. >> Yes, sir. 192 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:22,560 » Hey, Gary Ogle, 8052B coke trail. Uh I I I think that honestly, at least what I'm 193 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,480 myself, just speak for myself, I don't think that I'm opposed to pushing it for 194 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:31,519 another month to get it right. Right. But I feel like we've just been here so 195 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:36,880 many times and then we get an email that is dated like to come 96 or something 196 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:39,920 like that from the from from our property owners association which none 197 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,199 of the homeowners are allowed to participate in because of how our 198 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:49,680 covenants are written. So, um, which is I I would like to maybe ask that, you 199 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:53,920 know, the the POA doesn't send any more misleading emails saying that they're 200 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,480 going to table it and discouraging u people to come because as you can see, 201 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:58,560 we're a little bit light from the last couple times. 202 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,720 » So, once miss >> I have a copy of it if you 203 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,720 » Yes, sir. Hold on one second. It does. And I and I appreciate what you're 204 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:08,720 saying. Unfortunately, that's irrelevant to us. Okay. I know it's relevant to 205 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:13,040 y'all, but as far as us as a commission, it's not. But I want to I want to 206 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:16,399 address that, Miss Helen. um all of the speaker cards, don't we send out a 207 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:21,279 communication when this case is going to be heard again taken from the email 208 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:24,000 addresses on the speaker cards? >> No, we don't. 209 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,839 » Can we do that? Is that something that we can do? 210 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:30,720 » So, the the other issue was is was discouraging people to come by saying 211 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,760 that they were just going to table it. This is exactly what happened when the 212 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:36,800 vote happened to not >> and that's what I was trying to see if 213 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,040 we could get communication directly from us. That way there's no confusion on 214 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:46,079 what time is. >> Unless unless the council is going to 215 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:50,000 email everybody in our neighborhood then like that becomes an issue when they 216 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,600 have access to all of our emails and you guys don't. So, and this is the same 217 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:59,199 kind of communication that was given when it was initially moved and changed 218 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:02,079 was a misleading email saying they were just going to change it. 219 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,480 » I don't know how to how to solve this problem. The pro the the only thing is I 220 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:11,279 would ask that the council maybe suggest at the very least to the POA to not send 221 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:14,800 email like we know we know how to get the word out. We know how to get the 222 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,959 word out as residents. So that's what I would say. 223 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,680 » Mr. Chairman. Yes, ma'am. Just as a point of clarification, even if we would 224 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:26,240 send an email to everyone in Bitical Creek, 225 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:32,079 » the email would state that a request has been put in to postpone and the planning 226 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:36,800 and zoning commission has to vote on that request and I'm here to announce 227 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:40,880 that request and this is for the board to vote on it. So, I I can't guarantee 228 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:45,440 that it will be postponed. >> Yeah, I understand that. But the email 229 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:49,040 that we received was it is going to be tabled. It wasn't that a request was put 230 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,199 into table. >> So that's what we're requesting is that 231 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,639 the PI >> guys doesn't send conflicting we're not 232 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,120 going to we're not going to chase this rabbit anymore. I uh I appreciate the 233 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:03,199 the lack of communication and all that kind of stuff. It's just not a problem 234 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:07,199 that I can I can fundamentally solve. And so we're we're just going to have to 235 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:10,079 move on uh from that. You know, I just asked Mr. Rome if y'all could 236 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,480 communicate with the residents at the best way possible. Uh, that's 237 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:20,640 » that's all I can that's all I can request. Um, Miss Marone, do you have 238 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:24,079 any additional comments? Okay, I have one minute left. Does anybody else in 239 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:28,240 the audience wish to speak in opposition to the postponement? 240 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:32,280 Okay. All right. Bring it back to the commission. Commissioner Truckillo. 241 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:43,120 Well, uh I know no one likes to postpone it, but this is necessary because of a 242 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:50,160 of a commission's request. Uh the developers trying to do the their best 243 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:56,039 to what we asked them to do. So, I make a motion to postpone case number 244 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:56,039 2026-4205TP 245 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,320 for one month. >> Okay. Motion to postpone. We don't have 246 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:06,400 to we don't have let's we don't have to get into a mode of naming the the case 247 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,840 number every time guys just take you know 248 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,720 » I want to do it >> that's okay you know motion to postpone 249 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:18,080 for one month commissioner commissioner Seager 250 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:23,039 » second thank you >> we have a motion and a second please 251 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,520 vote >> we kind of arbitrary 252 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:38,400 » motion to postpone one month carries. >> We would like to request. 253 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,520 » Thank y'all. Y'all can y'all can Yes, ma'am. 254 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:45,520 » Did everybody just vote on the thing that everybody just stood up there and 255 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:50,080 opposed and you guys voted to postpone that? 256 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:54,720 » So, the request was from staff because they don't have enough information and 257 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:58,799 everything to be able to us for us to hear the case. We have to have it's it's 258 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:02,960 a procedural thing. We have to have a completed application in order for us to 259 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,799 hear it. But since we've already announced that this was going to be on 260 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:11,120 the agenda, we have to hear it in the form of it's going to be a postponement. 261 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:14,720 So that's just a it's just a procedural thing that we have to go the opposition 262 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:19,440 to the postponement. We take that into account. But if they don't have 263 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:23,840 » already predetermined that you guys are going to vote 264 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:30,320 » not at all against it because it's >> not at all. But if if if we feel like 265 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:36,000 we're working towards a a good outcome, then we we we feel it's relevant to 266 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:41,200 postpone it. Does that make sense? >> So I think what I'll say is the request 267 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:46,400 to the commission is not a guarantee. The request of the commission has to be 268 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:50,400 voted on. So while the developer or any applicant would request a postponement, 269 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:55,360 it's only the commission's authority and only their authority to either grant or 270 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:58,799 not a postponement. So yes, it is predetermined that a vote is going to 271 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:01,919 take place on a postponement and it could have been denied and we could have 272 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:07,440 heard the case tonight. >> Thank you very much. 273 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:11,360 » Okay, thanks guys. >> Staff, do we have any additional cases 274 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:16,559 that to postpone? We would like to request to hear the amendments at the 275 00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:21,360 end of the meeting. Item number two. >> Okay. At the discretion of the chair, 276 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:29,480 we'll we'll hear item number two at the at the end of the meeting. So, we are 277 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,480 moving on to item number three. 278 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:37,919 » Entering the parish right away servitude servitude easements in St. Timothy 279 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:41,840 Trace. Item number three, request to enter the Paris rightaway for Ashna 280 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:46,559 Boulevard and South Ashna Boulevard charter high school. 281 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:53,440 Developer owner Allstate Financial Company, engineering surveyor, Novas Reb 282 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:57,520 Engineering LLC, Parish Council District Representative, 283 00:20:55,120 --> 00:21:03,039 The Honorable Rick Smith. General location of property is located west and 284 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:09,720 south of Ashner Boulevard, north of Interstate 12, Covington, Louisiana. 285 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,720 Ward one, District 1 286 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,440 » staff. 287 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,200 » You got >> Thank you. Yes, sir. The applicant is 288 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:23,120 requesting permission to enter the parish rightway, specifically portions 289 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:27,360 of West Asher Boulevard and South Ashner Boulevard for the purposes of doing 290 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:30,240 drainage and roadway improvements. Staff has no objection to the request at this 291 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,320 time, subject to the attached resolution. Thank you. 292 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:39,919 » Thank you. Does anyone in the audience wish to 293 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:43,320 speak in favor of the request? >> Anyone opposed? 294 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,600 Do >> I have my speaker card? 295 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,200 » Are you Kenneth? >> What? What's your name, sir? 296 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,000 » Max Boss. >> Max. 297 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,840 » Yeah. >> Go ahead, Mr. Max. 298 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:02,080 » Um, good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Max Bos, business address 299 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,480 2011 North Franklin Avenue, Tampa, Florida. Um, thank you staff for putting 300 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:11,360 together the package. I just wanted to make one clarification. Uh, the owner is 301 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:16,080 no longer All State. Uh, Josh and Bruce sold it to uh, Red Apple and Chart 302 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:20,799 School USA. Chart School USA is the same operator as this transaction recently 303 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:25,039 happened after the submit the application was made. Um the chart 304 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:32,000 school USA is the operator of the K3A currently um at uh the north end but in 305 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:36,640 the highway and uh we are the developer GC working for Charter School USA. Um 306 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:39,919 and on behalf of them we're going to be doing the high school. So this 307 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,159 application pertains to the high school development. Okay. 308 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,480 » Uh and I'm here really to answer any questions you have. 309 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,039 » Staff, does a change of ownership make any difference to the application? 310 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,559 Um, we would just need to get the updated information from the applicant 311 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,960 as well as update the resolution that's in the staff report right now that would 312 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:58,000 reference also. >> Can we can we hear this as a completed 313 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,840 application tonight? >> I believe so. I don't it doesn't change 314 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:06,320 anything anything substantial in the requirements of the resolution other 315 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:09,039 than who we listed as the applicant. So >> they would need to do a new application 316 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:11,760 and sign it. >> Okay. 317 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:15,200 » So they're new owners. So it's it would be 318 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:18,240 » Can we entities? So we so we would be approving the application and they'd 319 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:20,240 have to come back before us with a new application. 320 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,600 » Yeah. Because it's a different >> and we don't have a formalized 321 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,840 application for the enter the rightway. It is a written request or letterhead. 322 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,559 Um there's not a signed document >> that's similar to like the concept plan 323 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,039 application or anything like that. >> Well, maybe if they could just write 324 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:37,520 something out and hand it to you tonight. I mean, and just say, you know, 325 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,000 whatever we accept by email, whatever. >> Yeah, we generally accept just on a 326 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,440 letterhead by email is totally fine. >> Is there a secret handshake? 327 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,200 » No, shoot me the email. you get on the agenda 328 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,960 » you have something you know that request >> okay yeah I think as long as as he 329 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,720 agrees to update that information provide that to us and then we'll on 330 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,360 staff send update the resolution accordingly before it's signed by you 331 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:06,440 and Ross >> okay thank you uh thank you sir um I 332 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:06,440 have a one for uh Kenneth Gilead 333 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:11,919 » he doesn't wish to speak >> civil engineer 334 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:15,200 » okay no problem >> anyone else in Any honors wish to speak 335 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,640 in favor? Anyone opposed? 336 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:22,159 Bring it back to the commission and Commissioner Seager. 337 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,679 » Move to approve. >> Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager. 338 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,360 Commissioner Trillo. >> I second. 339 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:33,400 » We have a motion and a second. See no further discussion. Please vote. 340 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:48,159 » Motion to approve carries. I uh minor subdivision item number four 2026 4772 341 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:52,720 MSP minor subdivision of 9.984 acres into parses A and B owner and 342 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:57,360 representative Matthew Edmonson and Benjamin Edmonson surveyor John G 343 00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:01,440 Cummings and Associates Parish Council District Representative the Honorable 344 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:06,320 Marthur J Kazabon general location of property is located on the north side of 345 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:10,159 LA Highway 40 and on Edmonson Lane Folsam Louisiana W 2 District Three 346 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,159 staff. >> The applicant is requesting to subdivide 347 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,640 9.984 acres into parcels A and B. The minor 348 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:22,960 subdivision requires a public hearing due to parcel B does not meet the 349 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:26,559 minimum lot size of 5 acres required under the R1 rural residential district 350 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,240 thus requiring a waiver from the planning and zoning commission. If you 351 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:33,520 remember last month we had a similar case. Um if you look at the last 352 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:38,400 sentence here, the planning and zoning commission has the authority to wave lot 353 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,720 area limited to 10% reduction of the total area of the lot size. If you look 354 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:47,039 at the survey, parcel B is proposed to be 4.984 355 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:53,120 acres and that's the reason for the request and uh the request shall be 356 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,679 subject to items 1, two, and three. >> Thank you. 357 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:59,039 » All right. Good evening. Uh my name is Andrew Menheim. Thank you, commission. 358 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:04,080 Thank you, Mr. Commissioner or Mr. Chairman. uh here on behalf of the 359 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:07,760 applicants, Ben and uh Matt Edmonson. Uh guys, these are folks who are from the 360 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:10,960 Falsam area, lived there forever. This is property, and I think I can get right 361 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:15,200 to the heart of of why I think the waiver is appropriate. Uh number one, 362 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:18,880 this is property that was owned by the uh by the applicant's parents. They 363 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:22,640 acquired it in 1971. Uh it's I think appropriate to note that 364 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,400 when they acquired the property, it was described in a meets and bounds 365 00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:30,320 description as being 10 acres. The chain of title prior to that was 10 acres. 366 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,480 Every time these folks mortgaged the property, they described a mortgage a 367 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:38,000 property of 10 acres. Uh in the succession in the judgment of possession 368 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:41,919 that recognized these applicants as the owners, it was described as 10 acres. It 369 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,880 wasn't until they submitted an application for the reub got a new 370 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:53,760 survey. Uh and of course 50 years of survey advancement indicates that it's 371 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:56,880 9.984 acres. And so of course this is um this is property that was left to these 372 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:01,600 applicants via their parents' succession. this is their parents' 373 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:05,279 legacy to them um and effectively to meet their uh their parents' wishes. 374 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,360 They want to divide this property among one another. I think it's also important 375 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:15,279 to recognize that the house that is situated on the 9.984 acre parcel is uh 376 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:19,760 is the residence of one of the brothers. The other brother lives adjacent and to 377 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:24,400 the rear of the 5 acre parcel. So, this was the most appropriate uh division 378 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:29,279 that they came up with to to divide the property that the parents left them. Uh 379 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:34,640 in all it's a relatively I think minor deviation of the 5 acre rule. We're 380 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:39,520 talking about 16 1,000th of an acre. That amounts to about 700 square ft. So 381 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:44,720 maybe maybe half the size of this building. So again, it's a relatively uh 382 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:50,320 minor deviation from the otherwise 5 acre uh requirement. Additionally, 383 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,200 there's no no land use or any uh proposed changes of that nature coming. 384 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:59,360 This is residential. It's going to maintain its residential status. Uh this 385 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:03,679 is really uh about allowing the uh the folks who've had this property and owned 386 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:08,240 it and held it for 50 years as 10 acres uh to give it to their sons and allow 387 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:12,000 them to uh to continue ownership of it and potentially give it to their their 388 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:16,320 heirs one day in the future as well. So with that in mind, I think it's a I 389 00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:20,080 think it's a reasonable request and u hope you guys can consider that um and 390 00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:25,679 in these in our position here. >> Thank you. Um, anyone else in the 391 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,039 audience wish to speak in favor? Anyone opposed? 392 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,279 Bring it back to the commission. Commissioner Rober, 393 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:38,159 » I don't have any issue with this. It's 0.016 394 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:41,200 acres shy of five. So, I'd like to make a motion to approve. 395 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,880 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Roar. Commissioner Walker. 396 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:45,279 » With the waiver. >> With the waiver. 397 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:50,080 » Motion to approve with waiver. Commissioner Rober. Commissioner Walker. 398 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:53,200 » Yeah. No issue with this. Um, makes sense. So I will second the motion with 399 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,360 the waiver. >> We have a motion and a second with 400 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,600 waiver. I see no further discussion. Please vote. 401 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:10,240 » Motion to approve with waiver carries. >> Thank you. 402 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:16,799 » Item number 5, 2026 4793 MSP minor subdivision of partial B1 into parts B1A 403 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:23,600 and B1B. Owner and representative Claude Marboret, Katherine Marboret, and Lee 404 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:27,120 Marboret. Surveyor KLS Group LL Inc. Parish Council District Representative 405 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:31,760 Honorable Jill and Pistado. General location of property is located on the 406 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:36,799 east side of Fishery Road, south of Oak Cove, Lome, Louisiana, Ward 7, District 407 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:41,840 7. Staff, >> the applicant is requesting to sub 408 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:46,399 subdivide parcel B1 into parcel B1A and B1B. The minor subdivision requires a 409 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:50,159 public hearing due to, as you can see in table one, parcel B1 has been through 410 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:53,840 the minor subdivision process, thus requiring approval from the planning and 411 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:58,720 zoning commission. Parcel B1A and B1B are proposed to be 412 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,559 accessed from a 20- foot existing private drive, thus requiring approval 413 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,919 from the planning and zoning commission and also requesting a waiver of the 414 00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:11,360 construction requirements for the existing 20oot private services to 415 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:15,120 parcels B1A and B1B, thus requiring approval from the planning and zoning 416 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:19,440 commission. If you take a moment to look at the picture that I included into your 417 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:24,640 packet, this is just a a street view of the existing 20ft road. I was informed 418 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:30,240 by Mr. Moore that this road has probably been there for approximately 60 years. 419 00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:35,679 Also, what I want to point out is uh the reason for the requested waiver to uh 420 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:40,720 build the road up to the required manual subdivision standards is because 421 00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:46,880 it currently there are three houses on the property. The one in the front on 422 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:52,640 parcel A1 that is existing part home on proposed parcel B1B and also another 423 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:59,200 existing um home next to the pool. So there's no proposed uh new construction. 424 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:03,840 Basically, this is just to carve out uh another parcel for the the residence 425 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,039 that's proposed to be or that is on parcel B1B. And um this is the reason 426 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,600 for the request and the reason for the requested waiver. And Mr. Moare is here 427 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:19,799 to answer any questions you may have. >> Thank you. Anyone in Mr. Moberry, do you 428 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,799 wish to speak? 429 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:27,360 » No, really. Thank you. Uh the road like Helen's saying is probably there 60 430 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:32,080 maybe 70 years. I think I reckon it's go back to about 1940 45. 431 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:36,960 » Okay. All right. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience wish to speak in favor? 432 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,320 Anyone opposed? Bring it back to the commission. 433 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:45,600 Commissioner Rober. >> I don't have a problem with this. Um 434 00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:50,080 existing looks great. The road I mean obviously 435 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,120 has been there forever. would like to make a motion to approve with waivers. 436 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,600 » Motion to approve with waiverss. Commissioner Rober, Commissioner Narciz. 437 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,919 » I pass this literally every day. No problems with it. I second. 438 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:06,200 » Motion and a second. Any further discussion? Please vote. 439 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:16,519 » Motion to approve with waivers. Carries. >> Item number. 440 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:31,679 Item number 6, 2026 4790 MRP, re subdivision of lots 19A and 18A into 441 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:36,799 lots 1981, 1881, 1882, Thelma Estates. Owner and representative Curtis Curtis 442 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:42,000 J. Leeday Jr. Melissa Marie Leay, Surveyor, Land 443 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:46,240 Surveying LLC, Parish Council District Representative, the Honorable Arthur 444 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Laughlin. General location of property is located on the south side of Barber 445 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,159 Avenue, Covington, Louisiana, Ward 4, District 11. 446 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,600 » Staff, >> the applicant is requesting to create 447 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:03,519 three parcels. The res subdivision requires a public hearing due to as you 448 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:08,720 can see in table one lots uh 18A and 18 and 19A have been through the resubd 449 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:13,039 process thus requiring approval from the planning and zoning commission and the 450 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:18,159 request shall be subject to item number one. If you notice it's currently two 451 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,320 parcels of land. One is requested to be increased in size and there's also a 452 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,720 request to create an additional parcel and I was informed that this is all for 453 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,679 family members. Okay, sir. 454 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,360 » Um, uh, >> you have anything to add? 455 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,799 » What's that? >> Do you have anything to add? 456 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,919 » Nope, that's it. I'm just I'm the oldest son. I'm not Curtis Lad. So, okay. Here 457 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:42,320 on his behalf. >> All right. Thank you. Anyone else in the 458 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:46,000 audience wish to speak in favor? Anyone opposed? 459 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,240 Bring it back to the commission. Commissioner Walker. 460 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:55,120 » Yeah, I see no issue with this resub. Uh, makes sense. Lots bit and size. I 461 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:59,919 will make a motion to approve. Motion to approve. Commissioner Walker, 462 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:04,480 Commissioner Rober. >> I don't have a problem with it. Um I 463 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:11,040 have a question for staff and maybe just something Mr. Leay. Um it looked like it 464 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:17,200 looks like the prior reubdivision that broke out. The initial parcel 19A was 465 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:22,960 never reflected on the assessor's map. I did find the file was recorded, but it 466 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,440 it's not shown and this was like in 2019. So, just make sure that you get 467 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:32,560 everything recorded in time and contact the assessor's office to let them know 468 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,679 what's occurred because it might be thrown off your tax assessment for this 469 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:41,119 property. I'm not sure. >> We we now forward uh copies of the new 470 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:45,520 surveys to the assessor's office. >> Awesome. Thank you so much for 471 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,359 clarifying that. Um yeah, I don't have a problem with this. So, lot 19 A1 is 472 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:54,480 actually increasing. We're only creating one new parcel here. So, I'd make a 473 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,919 motion to second with Is there a waiver? >> There's no waiver. 474 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,119 » With waiver? >> No. 475 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:01,599 » Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve with waiver. 476 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,920 » No waiver. >> No waiver. Whatever. Please vote. I'm 477 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,320 waving. Thank you. >> I didn't have 478 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,640 » missing one. 479 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:26,160 » Motion to approve carries. Item number nine, 2026 4786 TP, Laughlin 480 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:30,960 Estates, Subdivision Developer owner, Oak Island Corporation, Engineering 481 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,320 Surveyor, JV Burks Associates, Paris Council District Representative, The 482 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,079 Honorable David Kougall. General location of property is located on the 483 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:44,680 east side of Military Road, north of Crawford Landing Road, Slidell, Ward 8, 484 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,680 District 9. 485 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,079 » Staff. >> Yes, sir. The concept plans and 486 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,480 documentation have been reviewed by this office and an inspection was made on the 487 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:59,680 site on August 20th 2026. The applicant is requesting concept plan 488 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:03,599 review of a 103.861 parcel acre parcel on the west side of 489 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:08,320 Military Road north of Crawford Landing Road. The property is currently zoned R1 490 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,960 which requires 5 acre parcel size and 300 ft lot frontage width. The plat 491 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,720 proposes nine lots with a typical lot size of 5 acres or greater all having 492 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,200 individual sewer and water. The plan also proposes a 60-foot uncurved right 493 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,640 ofway with ditches on either side which are proposed to be privately owned and 494 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:30,000 maintained by the homeowners association with no common green space as none is 495 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:34,400 required for this lot count per the UDC. The plan proposes four waivers including 496 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:38,640 the following waiver for the minimum required size of the subdivision 497 00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:42,800 entrance. A waiver to exceed the maximum block length standard due to the length 498 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:46,480 of the existing roadway on the property. One to exceed the maximum road length of 499 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,880 the street terminated by a culde-sac due to the length of existing roadway on the 500 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,000 property and finally one to provide individual water and sewer for each lot 501 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,400 in lie of central water and sewer systems as required for creation in the 502 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,440 minor sub in the major subdivision. Staff has reviewed the concept plans and 503 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,960 notes and the plat needs to be updated to reflect and account for previous 504 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,960 comments and markup summaries issued to the developer and the engineer of record 505 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,000 on September 1st 2026. Should the planning commission choose to approve 506 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:15,200 this request, it should be subject to the aforementioned required waiverss, 507 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,040 the staff for comments, as well as any additional stipulations or requirements 508 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:21,359 stipulated by the planning commission. Thank you. 509 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,280 » Yes, sir. >> Good evening. Steve Deie this evening 510 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,640 representing the petitioner who's also the owner of the subject property. First 511 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:33,359 of all, I'd like to give you just a very brief history of the property. Uh, 512 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:39,599 previously it was zoned for a pod uh with it, uh, yielding over 150 lots. uh 513 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:45,119 June uh 2024, I received a notification from Helen that the PUD had been 514 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:48,400 designated as uh as having expired because there was no activity on it 515 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,640 moving forward from the time we got the original proposals and approvals at 516 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,800 least. Shortly thereafter, I was contacted by Mr. Kougall. uh he 517 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:01,200 indicated to us that his preference was to uh reszone the property to R1 and 518 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:07,599 that the parish would act as a petitioner in that petitioning. Um in 519 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:13,119 September in September 2024, the parish acknowledged and approved the R1 zoning 520 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,800 minimum 5 acre lots. After that, we had several meetings. We had two meetings 521 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:22,000 with planning, zoning, and engineering. Uh we've had two separate series of 522 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:27,200 comments. uh we we fully recognize and have that we are in full compliance or 523 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:32,400 agree with every every comment that they've made. I'd like to u if if I 524 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:37,119 could just briefly pay attention to one of their what I think is significant 525 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:41,839 comments and it's comment number four and I said the proposed concept plan is 526 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:46,640 consistent with the following goals. the character of existing residential areas, 527 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,440 expansive re rural landscape and sensitive ecological areas will be 528 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:55,520 preserved. Also, new development and redevelopment will be environmentally 529 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,400 sustainable. That was the whole objective that we had in this project. 530 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,520 It's a little bit different than most. It's it's a it's hard to fathom really 531 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:07,280 103 acres and we got nine lots. We have we have nine lots because we start off 532 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:12,000 on a basis where we we were not going to impact any wetlands. There's an existing 533 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:16,160 road that provides access through Gum Bayou to our property. All we want to do 534 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,680 and it's nine wet and and I have information here I'm going to disparage 535 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:24,000 to y'all in a minute, but we want to upgrade that road. The road system goes 536 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:28,400 through our property does not hit any wetlands. Then what we did, we went 537 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:34,000 ahead and had our engineers determine where could we put houses on reasonably 538 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,560 elevated pieces of natural ground that would not require a vast amount of fill 539 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,480 but also would not touch any wetlands. That's how we wound up with nine lots 540 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,240 and then beyond that it's in a it's in a no net fill area. We anticipate that 541 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:51,760 these nine lots will be sold to individuals estate lots. We recognize 542 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:55,760 the complication of dealing with no net fill for an individual having to go out 543 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,839 and determine what what was the ground before what was brought on the way of 544 00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:03,599 fill and recognizing you'd have to compensate through the form of 545 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:08,000 mitigation any filler brought on site. Well, that would encourage that would 546 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,960 include each individual having a small pond of their own on each of those nine 547 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,839 lots. >> That'd be a shame. 548 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:18,640 » Well, it really would. It really would. That's what we said. So, you'll notice 549 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:25,359 in in your flat there is a specified there's two of them uh field mitigation 550 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:31,280 areas and also u the uh to provide for the drainage the required drainage you 551 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:35,359 know 25% reduction. So anyway, our client, my client is in the excavation 552 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:38,400 business. He said, "Well, wouldn't it be great if when we offered these lots to 553 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,800 these people that we'd agree to go ahead and clear their pads, fill them up to 554 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:47,119 the base filler elevation, and they would not have to impact their lot at 555 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:52,720 all. We would do it on these two areas that you see on the plat not noted as 556 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,640 fill mitigation areas. With all that being said, I'd like to go ahead and 557 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,640 pass out 558 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:06,400 supplement the supplemental information. I think it's important to because it is 559 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:11,839 kind of unique property. It's a series of of and we can go through each one 560 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:16,880 individually, pictures and drawings and delineations and determinations. I try 561 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,200 to keep it as simple as possible, but it's but from the information you get 562 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:25,440 sometime uh in the pamphlets or in the packets, it's hard to get a real good 563 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:31,079 grip on what the property is, where it is, and even down to what is what does 564 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,079 it look like. 565 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,720 » Thank you. 566 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:09,599 Thanks. >> That's for y'all. That's for you. 567 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:15,760 The first thing you'll recognize, of course, Loftton is an island commonly 568 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:20,000 referred in our area as Oak Island. It's been it was a homestead for over 50 569 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:25,040 years. It was always accessed by a road going directly from Military Road to the 570 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:29,520 property. Um, so you can see it. It's there. You can notice that we're 571 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:34,640 surrounded by Gum Bayou. You'll also note River Gardens is to our north. 572 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,920 Those are um over 700 lots were originally platted and approved for 573 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:42,319 River Gardens, each one of them 50 by 150 back in 1954. 574 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:49,440 South of us, the next closest subdivision is the landings. Uh those 575 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:53,760 lots are S1 11,000 square ft minimum requirements. If you go to the second 576 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:57,359 second page, >> Steve, you got two seconds. 577 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,760 » Two seconds. Somebody ask me a question about my pictures, please. 578 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,079 » Come on. Come on. You can do it. You You You had us at nine lots on 133. 579 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,960 » Yeah, but I went through all this trouble. You got to hear me. I went 580 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,839 through all this trouble. >> Preserved all the wetlands and cut the 581 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,319 road. I mean, like, >> well, can we get 10 more of these? 582 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,880 » Somebody asked me a question. >> We will. We will. Let me see if there's 583 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:25,599 anybody in opposition. Does anybody in the audience wish to oppose this? 584 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,760 » Ma'am, please come up. >> You guys know that. You know I'm coming 585 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,280 up. >> I didn't before you raised your hand. Do 586 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720 we have you uh did you fill out a speaker card? 587 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,960 » Yes, sir. I did. >> Okay. Thank you. 588 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:39,800 » Hi. Nice to meet you. >> Hey, nice to meet you. 589 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,800 » Michaela, this just address 590 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:47,920 just addressed us. Thank you. >> Um so, a couple of points uh that I 591 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:50,720 would like to raise. Um firstly, privately owned ditches. 592 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,079 » Mhm. >> No. 593 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:58,880 » Okay. >> Um no, because the parish needs to come 594 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:04,560 in to dig out those ditches. I mean, the parish itself is working on a billion 595 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:10,640 dollar drainage reconstruction uh project and 596 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:15,440 not the the parish not being able to get in there to appropriately 597 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:23,440 clean out these ditches. This is going to add to our already overwhelming uh 598 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:28,400 flood and drainage issue. Uh that's the first point. Uh, secondly, sounds like 599 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:36,240 these are going to be million-dollar houses. I divided 103 by 9. That's 11.5. 600 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:42,160 So, 11.5 acres per house cuz there's nine. Um, 601 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:47,520 the elevation selected for these houses is absolutely going to to degrade over 602 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,200 time because it is, as he said, in a swamp. Um, 603 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,079 » go ahead. >> I'm sorry. 604 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,760 » Take a seat. Go, go take a seat for me, Steve. 605 00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:05,200 » In the wetlands, uh, if that suits you better, sir. Um, absolutely. Going to 606 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:10,640 degrade over a short time. Uh, when the houses inevitably flood, who's 607 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:16,960 responsible for that? Is the, uh, developer responsible for that? For 608 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:25,280 knowingly putting a million dollar heavy house in a wetland? Who? Genuinely, I'm 609 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:29,680 asking who should be held liable for those houses flooding when they do. 610 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:31,760 » I'm going to let Commissioner Rober answer that question for you in just a 611 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,560 moment. >> Okay. Um, 612 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,119 no, that that was it. Just the two points. 613 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:43,520 » Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 614 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:48,720 » Steve, did you have any uh rebuttal? >> Absolutely. Yep. uh as it relates to the 615 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:54,319 parish's involvement in our area just in the last two years public works has come 616 00:45:50,800 --> 00:46:00,640 out and dredged gum bayou they've also taken out two I believe there was 70 72 617 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:06,400 in culverts and replaced them with three 111 618 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:11,440 in diameter covers parish did that parish also asked us and we gave it to 619 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,560 them an easement across our property to do that work and maintain it in the 620 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:19,040 future as far as flood flooding. Of course, we all know that there's a 621 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:23,119 established base flood elevation to which FEMA requires you to build that. 622 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:28,160 And then on top of that, the parish, I think, has a twoft freeboard. Is that is 623 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,040 that about right? Is it two? >> No, just one right now. 624 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:37,119 » I'm sorry. >> Just one. Okay. Um you can you you all 625 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:42,000 have the the plat. It has our elevations on it. You're going to see lots with 626 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,520 natural ground right now. 10 11 ft. You'll have some as low as seven, but 627 00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:50,480 you've got 10 11 seat. So, we're not talking about a bunch of fill on site. 628 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:54,000 We have to mitigate whatever's added on to those lots, and we've 629 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:58,480 already made provisions to do that. So, I don't know what else you can do in 630 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:04,240 order to avoid uh flooding in an area. I do want to make the comment though that 631 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,119 Oak Island is an island that's I don't know if I'm being silly by saying it's 632 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,760 prehistoric. I mean, that thing's been there forever and it's been there and 633 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,040 surrounded by by the bayou and it sustains itself. We've got pictures in 634 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,119 there, which I would have liked to have gotten a little further into of the 635 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,839 entrance on Military Road and on the property. You can drive on this 636 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,240 property. I don't want anybody to think this is a swamp that we're trying to 637 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:29,440 sell people. I mean, it would be absolutely ridiculous for a developer to 638 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,000 come in here and say, "I've got this piece of swamp and I want you all to 639 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,240 prove it because I'm going to sell these lots for $100,000." It doesn't work that 640 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:42,160 way. It doesn't work out and y'all wouldn't allow us to do it either. So 641 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,839 anyway, um, wetlands, you know, uh, I don't know what else to say. 642 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,480 » You're good. >> Okay. Thank you. 643 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,800 » Thank you, Mr. Dubet. >> Ma'am, you have a three-minute rebuttal, 644 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:51,800 too. >> Absolutely. 645 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:07,359 Uh the gentleman said that he's not sure about what uh appropriate provisions 646 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:12,960 they as developers could make uh to these properties. 647 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,599 Put some dirt. Add a lot of clay. No, we're not doing that. No, 648 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:21,839 » I'll tell you why. >> Okay, cool. Go ahead and finish. um and 649 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:30,720 uh the property is not sitting on a swamp. 650 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:39,920 He verbally said that the property is on a wetland. Um and as a horiculturist and 651 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:45,119 naturalist and uh master gardener who works in the 652 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:52,319 area, the whole parish oh as well as you know everything else 653 00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:58,240 that surrounds us is a swamp. So that's just really dishonest I think to say 654 00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:05,720 that it's not in a swamp. Everything around here is in a swamp. That's why 655 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,720 everything floods. Thank you. 656 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:10,960 » Thank you. That ends the time for public comment. I'll bring it back to the 657 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,400 commission. Commissioner Robera, I just ask you to keep it under 20 minutes, 658 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400 please. 659 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,880 » You're lucky. I like you. Okay, Miss Johnston. John Stone. 660 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:24,240 » Johnstone. >> Johnston. Okay. So, the reason we don't 661 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,319 want a bunch of Phil is because what Phil does as your your gardener. So 662 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,920 whether you live in a home, an apartment complex, wherever you live, what happens 663 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:36,079 when the rain hits your roof, hits the ground, right? So what that does, that 664 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,839 water gets displaced. So when we bring a lot of fill in, we we are talking about 665 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,240 in wetland areas, we're talking about nationwide permits with the US Army 666 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:49,119 Corps of Engineers, which allows uh I want to say one acre of fill to be 667 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:53,040 brought in. That's for your driveway, your house, but everything else. You're 668 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:57,440 right. We are in Louisiana, we are completely accustomed to building not 669 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:02,079 just literally in a swamp but overwater sometimes. So a lot of times the best 670 00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:06,400 solution for that is driven pile foundation. So geotechnical engineer 671 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:11,920 will come out do a soil boring check to see how far we have to I'm sorry the the 672 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:16,160 property owner or the builder whomever um has to go to get to hard pan and then 673 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,040 they drive piles to support the foundation. Sometimes they'll do a 674 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,400 post-tension slab on top of that. Sometimes they'll choose not to. The 675 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:29,760 base flood elevation for this property is 12.6 ft. Now that is the 100year or 676 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:34,880 1% chance flood elevation. Typically in St. Tamony Parish you have 677 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:38,160 to be build with 1 foot of freeboard. Um the federal government tried to push 678 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:42,000 through a couple of years ago 2T of freeboard mandatory requirement for 679 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,920 homes that were being financed with governmentbacked loans. They've since 680 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:51,200 backed off of that. I love to see three feet. Three feet is the gold standard 681 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,440 for FEMA. Um, but I can't tell somebody what elevation they're required to build 682 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,440 their home at because that is the job of FEMA and the National Flood Insurance 683 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,200 Program is actually who insures those homes so that if they do flood, the 684 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:08,720 insur national flood insurance program covers. Um, 685 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:14,559 that being said, I don't love the idea typically of 686 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:19,839 private easements um, drainage easements on properties. However, for this 687 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:23,839 particular subdivision, I love it because that is a lot of real estate 688 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:28,559 that public works would have to get out and clear out every time. And you made a 689 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,559 a good point. The price point of the these homes is going to be more than 690 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:37,359 anything you or I will ever be able to afford most likely in our lifetimes. So, 691 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:42,079 I would much rather the people who own these high-end homes be responsible for 692 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:46,480 maintaining their drainage and ensuring that they are keeping this 693 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:53,680 through their homeowners association these nine lots completely dry. Um 694 00:51:51,040 --> 00:52:00,559 that being said, I'm really excited to see lots of this size 695 00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:04,480 anywhere in this parish. This is a huge huge turning point. Um 696 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,559 » can I ask why? >> No, ma'am. 697 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,960 » Okay. >> Because typically what we get are as 698 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,720 many homes shoved onto a parcel as possible. And that's all I'll say. this 699 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,079 one, somebody looked at it and said, "Yeah, land's not great, but we're not 700 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,599 going to destroy everything and try to put as many homes on this as we possibly 701 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:28,880 can." Um, so thank you so much for your hard work. I'm sure this is going to be 702 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:33,359 a beautiful area. Um, I love that you're preserving the areas 703 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:38,640 that you're preserving for wetlands, wildlife. I I mean, it's just it's just 704 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:44,160 very well done. The I can see the topographical data on here. It looks 705 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:51,119 like there are some higher spots. Um, so possibly particularly on lot two 706 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:56,160 and it looks like some of lot three, those are only like 1 to 2 feet below 707 00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:00,079 base flood. So those are those you should be able to build something on 708 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:04,559 fill mitigated with that retention pond. The other lots I would imagine those 709 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,760 will probably have to be raised. Um, there's not enough real estate in the 710 00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:13,760 world to compensate for 10 ft of dirt on a on a home that size. Um, so I love 711 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:20,040 this and thank you for bringing in front of us. I would make a motion to approve. 712 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,040 » Motion to approve. 713 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,920 » Motion to approve with waivers. >> With waivers. 714 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:30,319 » Motion to approve with waivers. Commissioner Rober. 715 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:33,319 » Commissioner Seager. Um 716 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:48,599 » uh there was a question about who's responsible. Um and I've made this 717 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,599 comment several times. U 718 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:56,640 caveat mour 719 00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:03,200 and I'll second that. Okay, we have a mo with waiver. Motion 720 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:06,559 to approve uh and second with a waiver. Commissioner Seager. Commissioner 721 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:10,079 Troxillo. >> Yes, sir. Could you come up for a 722 00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:13,079 minute, please? I I just have one question. 723 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:22,079 I do like the plan, but uh the question I have is uh electric utility. How how 724 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:26,400 is that coming into the to this island? Well, you'll have overhead down. You 725 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:30,720 have to recognize that road is pretty. It'll be overhead and then it'll be fed 726 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:34,960 to each house underground, but it'll it'll be accessed overhead. Each service 727 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:39,119 going to the house is underground. >> Yeah. No, I understand that part. But 728 00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:42,960 but is it coming on to Loftton Road through the swamp? 729 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:46,079 » No. No. You can drive uh Mr. Cool and I drove the whole thing. 730 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,480 » You drive right down the main road. It's there now. 731 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,280 » Excuse me, sir. I'm talking about the electric utility. 732 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:55,200 » It's coming right off military road. If if right now there's a poll right there 733 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,079 that we having to move, but the service is right there at the entrance right 734 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,880 now. Matter of fact, it's almost in the picture. 735 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440 » Okay. >> Yes, sir. 736 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:05,680 » Okay. I just want to make sure that that that that you accounted for that because 737 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,240 Absolutely. If if you're digging all through that, you you be you'd be 738 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,680 disturbing some wetland. >> Oh, no. 739 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,760 » Okay. And and number two, I don't know who I don't know who drew this map for 740 00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,160 you. >> Which one? 741 00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:19,839 » This one right here. >> Uh JB Burks. 742 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:24,880 » Well, he actually drew a dinosaur in here. So, this island really old. 743 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:27,680 » Oh, well, it could be. >> That's all I have. 744 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,200 » Thank you very much. >> Okay, we have a motion to approve. Uh, I 745 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,800 just wanted to make a comment as well. Uh, we are have a motion to approve in a 746 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:39,359 second. Uh, I was on I think several of my fellow commissioners were on the 747 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:43,359 commission at the time that we uh remove the PUD declaration on this land. I 748 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,319 think it was originally declared for about 109 lots. 749 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,720 » Over 150 >> 150. So, we're going from 150 down to 750 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:52,960 nine. So, I think that this has been a a really good project. I'm glad to see it 751 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,119 come to fruition. >> Great. Thank you. 752 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,760 » We have a motion to approve and a second. Please vote. 753 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:09,920 » Motion to approve with waiverss carries. >> Thank you. 754 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:17,760 Item number 10 under final subdivision plat and construction plan approval 2026 755 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:24,880 4757 PP Clark Branch Estates phase 1 developer owner S&P Land Company LLC 756 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:29,040 engineering surveyor K Associates LLC Parish Council District Representative 757 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:35,200 Honorable Marthur J. Asbond. General location of property is located east of 758 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:42,200 LA450 McDougall Road, north of LA, Highway 25, Folsam, Louisiana, War 2, 759 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,200 District 3. 760 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:47,280 » Staff. >> Yes, sir. 761 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,400 This case was previously postponed at the August 11th, 2026 planning 762 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,440 commission meeting. The final platin construction subdivision plans have been 763 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,440 reviewed by this office and an inspection was made of the site on 764 00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:00,400 August 21st, 2026. The final platin construction subdivision plans approval 765 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,839 of this case shall be subject to developer complying with comments 766 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,839 numbers 1 through 4 and allformational items below and no work order to be 767 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:15,040 issued until all items are satisfactory completed and submitted. Thank you. 768 00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:18,400 » Thank you. Is the petitioner here? >> So McDouga roll. It's been y'all been 769 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:22,720 clearing that for about two years, huh? >> Yeah. Uh good evening. Eddie Pow with 770 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:27,200 Kyle Associates, 638 Village Lane, North Mandeville. Um just here to present um 771 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:32,640 final approval. Yeah, as you mentioned this project um actually back this is 772 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:37,280 phase one of uh Clark branch estates that was um tenative approval back with 773 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:42,240 the old process was granted I think back in 2023. Um they've been doing some 774 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:48,319 clearing um but we're now ready to move into actual construction of phase one 775 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:52,160 which is the first 25 lots off of LA450. Um, we've gone through staff comments. 776 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,440 I've had a couple couple good conversations with staff. Really don't 777 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:58,960 have any issues with any of their comments on the plat drainage plan, 778 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,640 drainage impact study. Everything's pretty straightforward. We are working 779 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:07,920 through um getting our scenic rivers permit and um we we did receive I think 780 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,960 last week our DOTD permit. I just haven't had a chance to get that to 781 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,359 staff yet, but we did receive that from DOTD. So, just a couple loose ends on 782 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:18,960 permits and uh just addressing the last round of comments we got from staff. So 783 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,480 here to answer any questions that you might have. 784 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:24,000 » Thank you. >> Does anyone else in the audience wish to 785 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,160 speak in favor? >> Anyone opposed? 786 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,839 » Bring it back to the commission. Commissioner Seager. 787 00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:36,000 » Move to approve. >> Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager. 788 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:40,960 I need a second. >> Second. 789 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,599 » Second. Commissioner Trxillo, do you want to make comments? 790 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,160 » Yes. >> Okay. Uh, Commissioner Rober, 791 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:57,480 » I just want to make sure that we are addressing the staff comments 792 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:57,480 particularly in relation to um, 793 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,920 where is it? Sorry, 794 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:14,880 » I apologize. I was mixing it up. >> All right, no problem. 795 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,040 And just for the audience, this is uh 90 homes on five acre lots. 796 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,400 » Uh it's 25 lots for this first. >> The initial the overall projects 90 797 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,240 » 65 total. >> 65 total. So 798 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:28,319 » 65 total. >> That's awesome. 799 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:33,040 » Yeah, we're on just under 155 acres for this first phase with 25 lots. 800 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:39,480 » Perfect. Thank you. We have a motion and a second. See no 801 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:39,480 further discussion. Please vote. 802 00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:51,920 Motion to approve carries. >> Item number 11, 2026 4787 PPP, Pelican 803 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:57,280 Grove subdivision, developer owner, St. Tam Management Group, CDL LLC. 804 00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:01,359 Engineering Surveyor, Kelly Mchuan Associates, Inc. Parish Council District 805 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000 Representative, Honorable Joseph Emposado. General location of property 806 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:12,559 is located on the north side of highway 190 and and west of west side of pew 807 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:16,880 road lome ward 4 district 7 staff. 808 01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:20,000 » Yes sir. The final platin construction subdivision plans have been reviewed by 809 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,640 this office and inspection was made on the site on August 21st 2026. Final 810 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,400 planning construction subdivision plans approval of this case shall be subject 811 01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:31,280 to developer complying with comments numbers 1 through eight and 812 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,240 allformational items and no work order to be issued until all required items 813 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,280 are satisfactory completed and submitted. Thank you. 814 01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:42,079 » Thank you, Mr. Morone. 815 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:48,000 » Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. Paul Marone on behalf of the 816 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:53,680 petitioner. Um, with regards to uh the staff comments, um, items one and two, 817 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:58,799 one being uh, the relocation of the sidewalks and two being uh, the need for 818 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:03,040 a landscape architect. Um, we are in agreement with both of those. We don't 819 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:06,319 have any problem makes sense to u follow the staff's recommendation on the 820 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,839 sidewalks. We'll do that and we will have a landscape architect with a stamp 821 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:16,400 plan that we can provide to staff for their review. Uh with regards to uh the 822 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:21,520 final plat drainage and water and sewer uh the comments from September 1, 2026 823 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,799 uh our engineers working on we don't view those to be problematic. Uh and we 824 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:31,440 will comply with those. With regards to sewer and water, we have submitted the 825 01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:35,599 plans to the utility provider. Uh we are waiting on an approval of those plans. 826 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:39,839 We do have a will serve letter from that provider. Uh so we feel confident that 827 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:45,920 we'll be able to comply with uh with those comments. Uh the last item is item 828 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:52,160 three which is uh Pew Road and we are we are open to making improvements to Pew 829 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:57,520 Road. Um we would like the opportunity to continue to work with staff once we 830 01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:02,400 have able to do our engineering on that road and those ditches as to exactly 831 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:07,520 what those improvements will look like. Um again, we're open to doing them. It's 832 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:12,880 just until we're able to kind of do that engineering and see exactly how those 833 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:16,400 ditches fall and have all that information to be able to present to 834 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:20,720 staff the exact details of those improvements. Uh we'd like the 835 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:24,720 opportunity to do that. I also wanted to mention that and I mentioned this to to 836 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:29,520 staff. Mr. Reynolds may have comments on this but um and I wanted just to make 837 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:34,880 the commission aware of it. Not that this is a decision for the commission, 838 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:40,160 but um we would like the opportunity to present to the staff to Mr. Liner the 839 01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:44,880 opportunity to be able to use our impact fees locally on some of these 840 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:49,119 improvements within that Pew Road right away. uh rather than them going into the 841 01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:54,319 general fund, we we'd like the opportunity to be able to use those 842 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:59,119 dollars uh on the ride ofway and to have real tangible improvements in the impact 843 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,720 area where the subdivision is located. Um with that being said, we would we 844 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:08,000 would ask for your approval. The only caveat being with regards to items item 845 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,599 three, uh the final improvements to be determined and and ultimately approved 846 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,559 by staff. If you guys are okay with that, happy to answer any questions that 847 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,599 the commission may have. >> Thank you. Thank you. 848 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:22,319 » Does anyone else in the audience wish to speak in favor? 849 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,319 Anyone opposed? I'm sorry, sir. Did Did you wish to 850 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,920 speak in favor or in opposition? >> Favor. 851 01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,920 » Good. Come on. This is the the favor time. 852 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,880 » This is very >> very rare. I just want to say I welcome 853 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:41,119 it to the to the area. I'm soon to be building nearby and the homes and all 854 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,079 that would be good for the community community. So, that's it. 855 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,160 » Thank you very much. What's your name, sir? 856 01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:50,240 » Steven Armstrong. >> Okay, thank you. 857 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:56,000 » Anyone in the audience wish to speak against? Come, come on up. 858 01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:01,280 » Hey guys, nice to see you all again. Um, before my time starts, I would just like 859 01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:07,200 to say uh this, you know, I have prolongingly uh been involved with local 860 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:11,760 politics, namely in Madisonville. Um, and this is my first like meeting. I'm 861 01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:16,160 happy to be here with y'all. This is very exciting that you know we can still 862 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:22,960 do this. So, >> God bless America. 863 01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:30,160 » Yeah, something like that. Um, so I grew up actually on Pew Road in Lacome. 864 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:36,319 It's a disgusting swamp. Uh, I'm curious to know um about 865 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:40,799 the drainage plan for this neighborhood. Um, and also 866 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:46,079 this is a final subdivision vote like the vote 867 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:50,000 is going to >> Yeah. So there's there's several 868 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:54,640 different stages. You want to pause it? So we we've already uh heard So first 869 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:59,440 they had to reszone the property. Then they had to come to us with a concept 870 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:04,720 plan that was approved I think when was that done? Like a 871 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:07,839 » months ago. July 14th. 872 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:13,680 » July 14th. And now they're coming back to us with a final plan that after that 873 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:17,760 staff has had an opportunity to review all of the plans that they've submitted, 874 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:22,960 which includes hydraology studies, drainage, all of that kind of stuff. 875 01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:26,160 » Uh, and that hasn't been submitted yet. >> It has been submitted. 876 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:31,359 » Okay. Um, but >> it's it's actually part of the packet 877 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:38,960 that you can see on the website. Um the gentleman uh said that engineers have 878 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:41,039 not been out to this property. >> Uh 879 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,720 » am I correct me if I'm wrong? I >> I did not hear that, but we will if one 880 01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:46,960 of the commission wish to ask that question. We'll we'll see. 881 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,240 » Yeah, I'm just wondering, you know, if this is a final vote for this 882 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,200 subdivision, where are the engineers at? Where's the math? Where's the money? 883 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,200 Mhm. >> Uh 884 01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:05,119 yeah, I'm just And it's a really dangerous area actually. Um north uh it 885 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:12,480 starts at North Tibido to Pew Road. It's actually a very dangerous area. So um 886 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:15,680 I I just want to say these things and have them on the record. You know, I I 887 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:20,240 am in opposition of this environmentally. It's it's going to ruin 888 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:27,200 everything. And I think it makes this the parishes uh drainage 889 01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:33,520 um program I think it makes it moot to continue to add these subdivisions that 890 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:39,520 have not properly um 891 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:44,319 corresponded with environmentalists or uh you know people that know about the 892 01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:51,359 the land that they're building on. Um, so I would just like to implore that 893 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:54,559 that property is the the whole subdivision is is not a 894 01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:00,559 good idea. Okay. >> And it's more than likely going to fail 895 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,880 due due to watering water. So, >> thank you'all. 896 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:07,039 » Thank you. Anyone else in the audience wish to 897 01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:11,760 speak against? Bring it back to the commission. 898 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:15,760 Commissioner Narcissis >> to address 899 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:21,119 the young lady that just came up here. Thank you for your comments. Um I take 900 01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:28,000 exception a little bit to calling Briar Lake disgusting. Um not Briar Lake, but 901 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:34,480 uh Pew Road disgusting. That's kind of dis unfavorable to the residents that 902 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:40,400 live there. Now, um I will say that this process has been a 903 01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:48,160 long long process. They originated with 98 houses. We're down to 51. Um there 904 01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:54,240 was a lot of back and forth and and planning and and and working to get it 905 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:59,280 to where it is now. Um they have the right to develop it 906 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:05,839 and there's a lot of work that went into it. So to kind of say that the whole 907 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:10,880 process is not beneficial to everybody involved, there 908 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:14,319 was a lot of community input into this process. 909 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:20,080 With that being said, I have a question for Paul. Um the impact fees, I know 910 01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:24,799 that you guys are responsible for the improvements on Pew Road. Are you 911 01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:28,319 intending to use those impact fees to offset your cost for those improvements 912 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:35,120 or are you going to improve in other areas around? We we would like to u 913 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:40,080 request um that uh we be able to use some of those impact fees to offset some 914 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:45,679 of the cost to whatever improvements are made within the the Pew Road rightway 915 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,799 for traffic and then drainage if if there is drainage improvements there. 916 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,719 That's one of the things that we would have to look at um as we kind of get the 917 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:57,359 engineering not on the whole subdivision. Let me be clear. Maybe I 918 01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:00,400 was unclear. It's just the the uh improvements that might need to be made 919 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:04,960 to to Pew Road. >> Well, respectfully, I think that would 920 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:11,520 be your obligation to do regardless and to use some of those impact fees in 921 01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:16,640 other places would be beneficial. I mean, yes, it would be beneficial to 922 01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:22,159 uh improve P Road, but you have to do that anyway. The continuation of impact 923 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:26,319 fees in other places would probably be beneficial to the community as a whole. 924 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:31,839 You see what I'm saying? >> Yes, I do. I follow you. I guess the 925 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:38,560 only thing I would say is that um with the number of lots that we have now, 926 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:42,960 neither the the state or the parish ordinances require any definitive 927 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:46,239 improvements to Pew Road. Now, we want to make those. We want to do some of the 928 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:50,239 improvements and we think that there's an opportunity to do some of the things 929 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,719 that that the staff has suggested. And so that's why we at least wanted the 930 01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:58,640 opportunity to make the request to use some of those impact fees for that. And 931 01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:02,080 I I just wanted to make sure I wanted to make that make sure the commission 932 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:07,040 understood that. I didn't want there to be confusion going forward about that. 933 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:14,640 » So I think in general just my understanding and staff can can help me 934 01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:19,760 out. I think for me personally, if um if you have the opportunity to 935 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:25,040 if there's no improvement on Pew Road that you are obligated to make, then use 936 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:28,159 the impact fees of course to do that. If you are obligated to make them, use the 937 01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:30,960 impact fees to better the community somewhere else. 938 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,880 » I don't dis I I think that's well said. I I look to Mr. Reynolds. I think I 939 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,960 think you hit the nail on the head with that. I believe right. 940 01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:42,880 » I believe >> um my biggest concern about this 941 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:45,280 Oh, sorry. >> Please, please do. 942 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,560 » Um, >> actually would like to make two. And 943 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,760 this is just with everything that's currently going on in St. Tam. I think 944 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,960 Paul may have misspoke a little bit earlier. He said he would like to 945 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,080 reserve that the impact fees go back to the general fund and instead use them 946 01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:02,080 here. Impact fees do not go to the general fund. 947 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:06,080 » Very clear on this one. Impact fees go into a separate impact account to be 948 01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:08,400 used in the service area, not into the general fund. So, I just 949 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,719 » Yes. Thank you. to make that clarification with everything going on 950 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,600 right now in the past. >> Thank you for that. 951 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:20,400 » But to his point, they would go back into the service area fund for impact, 952 01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:25,760 » the dreaded Louisiana general fund. >> I I had to. Sorry, guys. Um, but they 953 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:30,000 would go into a service area impact fee fund to be utilized in this area for 954 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:35,040 traffic and drainage improvements pri primarily capacity related. to Paul's 955 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:38,560 point as well as to Miss Reese's point, yes, we when it's required, they are 956 01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:42,480 obligated to do it and they cannot utilize impact fees to do it. And just 957 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:45,280 full disclosure is no, no disrespect to the commission. It is not the 958 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,280 commission's obligation to determine how to expend those impact funds. That is 959 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,000 what we jokingly call the RIFFA, but it's the road impact fee administrator 960 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,960 and the drainage impact fee administrator, which is currently housed 961 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:58,640 in the department of engineering and is Mr. D. I think Miss Moron's just trying 962 01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:02,800 to be transparent, which appreciate. >> So to the point of the road itself, it 963 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,520 is it is meeting curtain standards. The we cannot require them to subsurface it 964 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:09,199 because it's not meeting death requirements, which is why in the staff 965 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,960 report, it was discussed as a recommendation because we felt it was 966 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:16,960 appropriate to improve the capacity and drainage and ultimately safety on this 967 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:21,280 roadway, particularly at the entrance to Pew Road and Highway 190 where you see a 968 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:25,040 lot of traffic. So it would have to go through a series of vetting. He would 969 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,520 have to propose some cost analysis, things like that. All that come to the 970 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:33,040 riffa. Sorry, I'm gonna keep it as riff word because that's what we're used to. 971 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:36,239 But all that would be evaluated and it would have to pass a series of criteria 972 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:40,239 that would allow us to utilize that money or rather provide an impact fee 973 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:44,000 credit. If it doesn't pass those criteria, he cannot utilize it nor can 974 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,840 we issue it. So there is a check and balance there. Just wanted to make sure 975 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:50,320 we're aware of that. >> Thank you for that clarification. 976 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:56,400 » Yes, sir. My biggest concern is the existing utilities that are in the 977 01:12:53,679 --> 01:13:02,400 neighboring subdivision and tying into that system that residents have said was 978 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:06,480 already underperforming and tying into a system that is already 979 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:11,600 underperforming. What would be our recourse to kind of 980 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:15,600 prevent that from happening or or work to better that system? 981 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:19,760 » Um is is that in reference to the water and sewer specifically? Um yes sir. So 982 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,840 generally it's not uncommon that when we have systems connecting or tying in or 983 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:28,000 increasing capacity that the utility provider will actually require them to 984 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:32,080 help upgrade their system do via through a service agreement or impact fee funds. 985 01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:35,280 Not our impact fees but their impact fees. Um it's very common like we 986 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:39,120 actually just did one with Department of Utilities on Hoffman where we wanted to 987 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:43,040 add a subdivision Belleview Estates. they were required to improve our plant 988 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:46,719 to make it function better prior to connecting those additional lots onto 989 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:52,719 » and I know that there was uh early on we talked about a couple hundred,000 to go 990 01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:57,679 into approve to improve those systems. It's very hard for me to to put faith in 991 01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,960 that. >> Yeah. And just to be clear, the impact 992 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,760 fees we currently have are only for road and drainage. That is completely 993 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:07,120 separate from the water and sewer course. So, none of those impact fees 994 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,920 would be utilized at all for any of the improvements required for the water and 995 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:14,000 sewer. Gota >> and just to piggyback on that, uh, the 996 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:18,239 utility provider has already advised us that we do have to pay to upgrade their 997 01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:22,560 system, which we which we're aware of and and we're we're going to comply with 998 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:26,880 that. So at the end of the day, I think the state and I believe also the parish 999 01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:31,120 will have to um you know, we'll have to see those improvements so that we can 1000 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:35,280 demonstrate and the utility provider more importantly can demonstrate that 1001 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:40,159 it'll function uh with the capacity that's needed to service our area. So it 1002 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:44,320 should be a better functioning and better uh working system with the 1003 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:46,080 improvements that we'll be obligated to make. 1004 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:51,760 » Here's open. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Anything 1005 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:58,159 else, Commissioner Rober? >> Um, okay. So, I completely agree with 1006 01:14:54,880 --> 01:15:03,760 the staff comments. First one, and this is the one I was mistaken on thinking it 1007 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:09,280 was for the other one. Um, the sidewalk connections to the proposed green space 1008 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:13,360 mailbox area. If we could address that, um, 1009 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,199 staff recommends relocating the sidewalk to the opposite side of the street. I do 1010 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:20,719 completely agree. is currently shown. Residents accessing the green space and 1011 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:24,320 mailbox area would need to cross the street and the proposed sidewalk does 1012 01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:29,280 not provide the most direct connection. I would also go so far to say I don't 1013 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:35,280 love the location of the green space at the south right by the detention pond 1014 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:39,840 and 190, but I understand that that is going to be the best possible location 1015 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:44,320 when we look at the overall drainage for this entire area. Um, Miss Johnson, I 1016 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:50,880 want to make one more comment on something you said. So, 1017 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:56,239 um, when we initially approved this, I pulled topographic topographic data on 1018 01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:01,440 this entire parcel and it actually sits kind of on top of a hill. The majority 1019 01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:07,840 overwhelming majority of this parcel the whole 20 somehat 22.37 acres was in 1020 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,080 flood zone X and it was substantially higher than the surrounding area which 1021 01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:17,600 now that we are discussing P road improvements gave an opportunity for 1022 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:21,360 this for P road to get much needed drainage improvements 1023 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:26,159 » and I have a very specific question this not it's not your time 1024 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:30,400 » just one second so that would be my um other comment on the staff comments. 1025 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:33,360 Paul, based on the existing width and configuration of Pew Road, staff 1026 01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:36,640 recommends that the proposed improvements include the installation of 1027 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:40,560 a subsurface drainage system and widening of the asphalt roadway. I 1028 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:45,360 remember when we initially heard this, Pew Road's inadequacy was the sticking 1029 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:50,159 point for this, if you wouldn't mind coming back up. Um, because I do have a 1030 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:55,120 question for you and for staff. How do we guarantee that? 1031 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:58,880 What do we need to do as far as motions with this to ensure that P road has the 1032 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,199 best possible chance at improvements moving forward? Not that I don't trust 1033 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,080 you, Paul. >> No, I not I understand. Good question. 1034 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:11,440 Um Ted, you want to go first? You want me to you want me? Okay, maybe I'll try 1035 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:17,679 to answer and then uh so we again we're we are not we are open to making 1036 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:23,360 improvements to to Pew Road. Um and so we would be very comfortable if the 1037 01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:27,920 commission were to decide to make part of their motion comply with staff 1038 01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:32,800 comments and with with regards to item three that improvements be made to Pew 1039 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:38,320 Road subject to those final improvements being approved reviewed and approved by 1040 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:43,600 staff. I just want to have the ability in other words what exactly what they 1041 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:47,920 have word for there. for example. >> I don't want to I don't want to lock 1042 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,600 y'all in any what we actually need. So that's why I 1043 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:57,679 want I want to get the wording from D from staff Diana and 1044 01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:03,120 » Maria or Ted so that we get this to the best possible point with approving it to 1045 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:07,600 give P road the best chance to improve drainage and widen that roadway but 1046 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:11,320 without locking them into something that they can't commit to. 1047 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,679 I think it's evidence. I think that's in truthfully um that's the intent of how 1048 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:22,080 we wrote number three and why we wrote it as a recommendation and we stated on 1049 01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:26,000 what that recommendation should be aso as opposed to lowering and regrading it 1050 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,280 which is currently proposed in their civil plans 1051 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:33,520 » to instead actually subsurface it and widen it. Now what that looks like the 1052 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:37,199 reason we kind of left it a little bit open-ended intentionally is how far do 1053 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:41,679 we subsurface? Well, we don't fully know that answer yet. That's I believe what 1054 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:45,600 Mr. is looking for some leeway on. Can we engineer it, look at it, evaluate 1055 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:50,080 it and say, "Okay, instead of 100 feet, it's going to be 150 or 200." So, we 1056 01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:54,880 left it as the recommendations are two subsurface and too wide in the road is 1057 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:58,239 what we are essentially requesting or requiring in the stat. I think it was 1058 01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:02,800 written as a request, but it be subject to a requirement. Um, but we left it 1059 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,920 very intentionally not to set numbers or stipulations so that it can be designed 1060 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,159 appropriately. >> That's perfect. So, 1061 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:14,159 I would need to make the motion to approve subject to the staff 1062 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:19,600 recommendation. Can you help me with the wording? I don't want to. Well, it would 1063 01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:24,800 be to staff comment number three, not making it a recommendation, but a 1064 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:28,719 requirement >> which you could do it 1065 01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:34,120 » to install subsurface stream systems and then widening the existing 1066 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,120 roadway 1067 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:38,560 » as as opposed to making it a recommendation. 1068 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:43,520 » Thank you. So, make making that requirement. Okay. All right. 1069 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,040 » All right. Am I good to Mhm. 1070 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:53,199 » All right. I would like to make a motion to approve provided staff comment number 1071 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:56,199 three is a requirement and not a recommendation. 1072 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,239 » Subject to their specifications >> subject to 1073 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:03,440 » staff specifications. >> Staff specifications working with the 1074 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,880 developer >> on the details. 1075 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:11,520 » On the Yes. Yeah. It's written vaguely in here so that we're giving the 1076 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:16,400 opportunity for this to be ironed out at a later date. But the requirement is 1077 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:19,600 that you comply with what staff >> that there be some lighting and 1078 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:23,520 subsurfacing. >> I think that's fine. May I ask a 1079 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:29,199 question, Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir. My my hesitation is although it doesn't say 1080 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:32,719 any distances, it says from 190 all the way to the boulevard and that even 1081 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,840 though it doesn't give a distance, that's that's where I think we need to 1082 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,480 have some flexion. That's what we're trying to codify it as staff 1083 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,400 recommendation >> and that's as long as we're clear on 1084 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:45,040 that then >> I'm saying whatever the staff decides is 1085 01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:50,159 what I'm happy to I just want to make sure that it's a requirement 1086 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,719 that you comply with what the staff recommends. 1087 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:54,880 » Okay. >> Yeah. 1088 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,199 » And you're making a motion to approve a motion to approve without amendment. 1089 01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,400 » Without amendment. >> Motion to approve with amendment. 1090 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,400 Commissioner Rober, Commissioner Narcissis, 1091 01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:08,800 » when asked about it early on, they said, "What are your concerns?" I said, 1092 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,880 "Water." And they said, "Is it the drinking water or is it the water on the 1093 01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:16,719 road?" And I said, "Both." So, I really, really, really implore you to do your 1094 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:21,679 best to make sure the utilities are where they need to be and the road is 1095 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:26,800 improved with the drainage. And I hope you do it out of the goodness of your 1096 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:29,840 heart, Miss Marone. Um, and with the uh requirement there. But I'm going to go 1097 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:34,080 ahead and second the motion. >> Have a motion and a second with the 1098 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:39,520 amendment. Commissioner Seager, 1099 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:43,280 » I'd just like to recognize a young man in the back that's been sitting here for 1100 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:49,199 the whole meeting. He's a lot better behaved than some of our regular 1101 01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:53,600 attendees. And u congratulations. You're raising a great young man back there. 1102 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:58,080 » Thank you. We have we have a resolution to uh uh congratulate the young man in 1103 01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:00,560 the back there. Okay, we have a motion a second. Do you 1104 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:04,880 have no further comment? >> I just want I just 1105 01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:10,480 » I just want to make sure that the first comment 1106 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:15,440 my motion because we're adding additional 1107 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,719 is it is subject to that also being fulfilled. 1108 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,639 » That's correct. >> Okay, perfect. 1109 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:23,679 » Yep. >> Okay, we have a motion with an amendment 1110 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:26,920 and a second. No further discussion. Please vote. 1111 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:36,800 Motion to approve with amendment carries. 1112 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:41,120 » Thanks for working with us. >> Okay, I think we're moving on to the uh 1113 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:46,120 UDC. Is that what we're doing? Is that next? 1114 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,120 Okay. 1115 01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:53,199 » So, we're going to we're going to hear these one at a time. 1116 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:58,639 Do we do we need to hear these one at a time? Yes. So, let's let's read in the 1117 01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:03,920 uh amendments to the code ordinance. I'll just I'll Yeah. And just we're only 1118 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:08,280 going to take a first. We're not we're not going to go we're going to go one 1119 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,280 after another. 1120 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:17,679 » Amendments to the code of ordinances part two unified development code amend 1121 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:22,239 chapter 100 administration section 102.5 board of adjustment to add training 1122 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:27,360 requirements. So, this requested UDC amendment is it 1123 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:32,639 essentially to add uh four hours of training for newly adopted board of 1124 01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:37,040 adjustments members and continuing education uh every two years. It's 1125 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:41,440 pretty consistent with existing planning and zoning commission training within 1126 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:45,199 the code now. >> Okay. Uh anyone else in the audience 1127 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:49,760 wish to speak in favor of this amendment? 1128 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:52,080 Anyone opposed? Bring it back to the commission. 1129 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,040 Commissioner Seager. >> Move to approve. 1130 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,040 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager. Commissioner Trxillo. 1131 01:23:56,159 --> 01:24:03,960 » Second. >> We have a motion and a second. See no 1132 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,960 further discussion. Please vote. 1133 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:14,880 » Motion to approve carries. Item B, amend chapter 200 1134 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:19,199 procedures section 2003.3 zoning map changes to codify the 1135 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:24,000 procedure for parish council action on zoning map changes applications. 1136 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:27,679 » Uh this amendment will establish a process for council action after they 1137 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:31,199 receive the recommendations from the planning and zoning commission. 1138 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:36,400 Approvals will proceed with an introduction of ordinances and denials 1139 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:40,080 are documented via resolution. Uh, it also allows an applicant to request a 1140 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:43,840 less intense zoning classification before the council other than what was 1141 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:47,719 advertised and heard by you all at the planning and zoning commission. 1142 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:54,639 » Anyone else in the in the audience wish to speak in favor? 1143 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:57,360 Anyone opposed? Bring it back to the commission. 1144 01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,320 Commissioner Seager, >> move to approve. 1145 01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:03,440 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager. Commissioner Roar. 1146 01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:07,600 » I have a question for Ross. >> Yes. Um, I noticed that at the Thursday 1147 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,040 night council meeting, >> could you come up to the microphone, 1148 01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:13,960 sir? >> Yeah, if you could. Thank you very much, 1149 01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:13,960 Mr. Liner. 1150 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:22,560 » Little faster, please. >> I'm listening. 1151 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:27,520 » Okay. Um, my understanding at the council meeting Thursday night, a 1152 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:32,400 I don't know. I don't know if it was off the floor or what. Um the very end of 1153 01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:39,199 the meeting a motion was made by a council person for requesting 1154 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:42,400 explanations of denials for zoning cases. Correct. 1155 01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:44,560 » Incorrect. So what is this on? >> Yeah. 1156 01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:49,280 » All right. So basically what they asked me to do and what this department 1157 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:54,159 provided previously from 2021 to 2024 is when appeal is made to give them 1158 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:57,280 additional information related to the staff comments to the commissioner 1159 01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:00,880 comments and to the public comments about why the appeal uh is coming before 1160 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,239 them whether it's something that was approved or denied. So I just want a 1161 01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:09,199 little bit more information related to the case. I'm also going to link a 1162 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:12,320 YouTube video of that case on that uh memo as well. So, it's just really 1163 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,679 trying to point them in the right direction with some additional 1164 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:18,639 information for an appeal only. >> Okay. Um, 1165 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,159 » and this was brought to us by the DA's office. 1166 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:23,120 » No, I love it. >> To make it more clear about what the 1167 01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:29,679 actions of the council should be. >> No, I think it's great, but when we look 1168 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:37,199 at this, my concern is that so just take like an HC zoning for example. Um, 1169 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:40,800 this expressly lets an applicant whose reasoning was denied to amend the 1170 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:44,080 request to a less intensive zoning classification. My understanding is that 1171 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,480 has happened in the past. This is just codifying it. Correct. 1172 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,360 » Correct. It's always been policy that someone can always ask for something 1173 01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:57,600 less intense. >> Okay. So that being said, 1174 01:26:53,679 --> 01:27:03,199 if there is a statement and all of the information, if I'm sorry, if the 1175 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:06,679 information that PNZ has on the denial is not present, 1176 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:14,719 I'm a little concerned that we're allowing downzoning 1177 01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:17,520 and also asking for information as to why we would have denied in the first 1178 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:22,159 place. >> Like it's it's so 1179 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:25,159 under appeal >> under 1180 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:33,120 so under appeal is the only time but what I'm saying is this could all 1181 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:36,239 compound and occur on the same case >> if if that makes sense 1182 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:41,360 » I'm trying to think so >> it has it has 1183 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:46,560 » it has many times so if we make a recommendation that HC3 just say for 1184 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:49,840 instance is not appropriate on a parcel and we give that information to the 1185 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:56,080 council and the council says, "Well, we're 1186 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:59,679 totally fine with it going down to HC1, I'm sorry, if we didn't give that 1187 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:05,520 information to them, then they have nothing in hand in that meeting when the 1188 01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:11,280 down zoning is requested." >> I mean, I disagree. We we provide a 1189 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:15,679 staff report to the uh council every month for every case. So 1190 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:18,400 » So they're still getting it. They're just not getting the supplemental that 1191 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,679 would have come correct with an appeal. Okay. Yes, exactly. 1192 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:24,159 » Okay. All right. In >> that case, 1193 01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:28,239 » I have some concerns just because I think this is an opportunity for people 1194 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:29,440 to game the system. I think that they could come 1195 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:34,000 » something less. >> Yeah. Well, it could come to us uh 1196 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:37,920 proposing something more intensive knowing they're going to get a denial to 1197 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:41,199 to to bring it to the council in an attempt to try to get, you know, some I 1198 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:46,159 just >> But that's already happening. 1199 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:51,120 » Yeah. Right now that's a risk. >> Right now they'd have to come come back 1200 01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:56,000 to uh the planning commission with with the petition for the lesser zoning. 1201 01:28:53,280 --> 01:29:00,639 » No right no this has happened. That's why I wasn't worried about codifying it 1202 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,080 because this has literally happened already. 1203 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:07,199 » Yeah. I don't like that. >> So this prevents that. 1204 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:11,440 » I think Isidora >> it happened on didn't it? 1205 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:14,480 » Isora John. >> Isidora. It happened. Yeah, 1206 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:18,480 » it happened on a Pew Road case. >> Happened on Pew Road as well. 1207 01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:21,040 » Not not using it to to game the system. I'm not 1208 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:26,320 saying that. >> No, but this this happened frequently. 1209 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:30,000 » So, this is a recommending body >> for zoning to the council. It's the 1210 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,120 council's authority, >> correct? 1211 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:38,639 » To come up with an appropriate zoning classification. If they uphold a denial, 1212 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:44,880 that's fine. if they work with a property owner for a more reasonable 1213 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:48,480 uh zone classification or for the one that y'all denied. In fact, that's the 1214 01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:53,520 council's authority and that's their >> then why. 1215 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:57,840 » So that is zoning is an ordinance. Zoning is a it's a law. So it has to go 1216 01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:01,199 to the legislative body. This is a recommending body for planning 1217 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:06,000 commission. You have the authority only under appeal to the council. Yeah. 1218 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:09,199 » So, you're providing your >> recommendation to the council. They have 1219 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:14,320 the authority to do whatever they want. >> Just like uh the the time for public 1220 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:18,880 comment on this is expired. So, uh any any questions that are that are to the 1221 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:22,000 public have to originate from the commission at this time. 1222 01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:27,040 » Commissioner Rober, you still have the floor. 1223 01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:31,440 » Thank you. Um, so seeing as this has already presented 1224 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:38,159 issues in the past, whether it's friction or just misunderstanding, 1225 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:43,440 I would love to see something come from us regardless on 1226 01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:50,080 it. I don't know how we set that bar, but if it's HC, if it's a down um I'm 1227 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:54,639 sorry, if we're re made a recommendation not to reszone and it is an egregious 1228 01:30:52,159 --> 01:31:02,480 move like you know the ones we're talking about right now, like um you 1229 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:06,960 know going from R1 to S2, why I think that having that supplemental 1230 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:11,920 information for the council to be able to read that regardless of if it's on 1231 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:15,040 appeal or not, that's what I want to see happen. 1232 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,920 » I believe they get all the information now. So, I'm I'm not thinking that 1233 01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,520 there's a disconnect. >> Okay. There's Okay. 1234 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,800 » Are are you saying you want it to come back if it's amended to come back to PNZ 1235 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:31,920 for >> No, I I I do still think that the 1236 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:36,560 council should retain that that benefit so to I don't know what other word to 1237 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:40,639 use, but that is still the council that that I don't think it should always come 1238 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:45,840 back to us. But I do think that if it's a major leap, then there there should be 1239 01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:50,239 some >> But then again, they're overriding a 1240 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:56,960 denial today to give them what they even asked for. So, I don't see 1241 01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:00,880 » the the reasoning behind it because if y'all deny a case and they someone 1242 01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:04,800 appeals it, they can just get that zoning classification that they 1243 01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:10,800 came to y'all for that was denied anyway. So even if they lessen 1244 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:14,080 the request of something less intense, it seems 1245 01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:19,239 that is, you know, that it's appropriate. 1246 01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:19,239 » No, 1247 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:28,719 » no, they can. That's what he's saying. >> They don't have to go back is what is 1248 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:33,920 what it is. They don't have to go back. So, like the example I just used, if 1249 01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:37,120 they request HC3 and we deny it and they appeal it, the council person can say, 1250 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:41,120 "Well, I'm >> I see where the zoning commission 1251 01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:44,000 denied. I'm totally fine with this being HC2." 1252 01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:46,320 » They can be fine with HC3 as well. >> They could be fine with HC3 as well. 1253 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,080 Correct. >> And override your denial. 1254 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:53,840 » Right. >> So, I'm I'm not seeing we're going to 1255 01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:55,360 get overridden. I mean, it's just it's just a 1256 01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:59,760 » I don't have a problem with being overridden. I don't have a problem with 1257 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:04,320 being overridden. That is their right to override us. My problem is when we're 1258 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:08,480 talking about massive jumps in density one way or the other and not having all 1259 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:11,360 of the information because it feels like they're being caught off guard. 1260 01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,480 » Well, we do work with the council cuz when it comes to an appeal, I mean, we 1261 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,560 do start working with the council and they start asking staff questions 1262 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:21,920 whether it's permits and inspections, planning and development or engineering. 1263 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:26,960 I mean, >> I think I think this is most pertinent 1264 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:31,679 when uh the case really should be heard almost in a planning stage first prior 1265 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:36,159 to zoning because the the zoning classification is kind of dependent that 1266 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:40,960 is is creating the density that the plan is. And I think that is that is the the 1267 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:46,159 problem in some of these particular cases is that we're we don't have the 1268 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:50,719 plan that that really kind of understands what the density is going to 1269 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:56,400 be prior to making the zoning case. It's almost like it's almost like we need a 1270 01:33:53,120 --> 01:34:01,120 new process specifically for like concept plans or something like that so 1271 01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:03,199 that we we hearing some of those things together, you know. 1272 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:07,199 » So Councilman Kuville was talking about the memo for appeals. Councilman 1273 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:12,560 Laughlin was talking about trying to get something as a new process. And again, 1274 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,800 you know, no zoning change can be predicated on any kind of condition. 1275 01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,360 » Correct. >> So, it's not like they can come here for 1276 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,719 a concept and say, "Yep, I'm going to do this." 1277 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:22,480 » Let's hear from some of the other commissioners 1278 01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:24,239 » and then, you know, you're forced to do it. It's 1279 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,280 » they're trying to work it out. >> Commissioner Blanchard. 1280 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:31,199 » Yeah. I think that where I see the conflict is that they're asking for the 1281 01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:37,440 report to come back and sort of give them a heads up of why it's on appeal, 1282 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:42,080 but then they bring it to a down zoning, right? Which again is their right. So, 1283 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:45,120 it it seems to me like they they want some information, but they they're not 1284 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,800 asking for all of it. >> I mean, I'll say it this way. I work 1285 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:54,080 with council a lot and if it's something that's coming under appeal whether it's 1286 01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:59,280 a subdivision or even a single lot just a 1acre lot for a commercial property. 1287 01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:01,840 The council reaches out, we engage, and we give them all the information they 1288 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:05,040 request. It's not like they're requesting information from y'all so 1289 01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:07,360 y'all never see it. But believe me, we provide a lot of information to the 1290 01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,440 council. They're not going in there blind. 1291 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:12,880 » Yeah. No, I I know they aren't flying blind. I guess my thought there is just 1292 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:17,600 if we're going to provide some sort of supplemental report so that they're up 1293 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:21,840 to speed when the appeal comes, maybe we should be including some language that 1294 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:27,760 says, "Look, if you want to go down from HC3 to HC2, we might be okay with that. 1295 01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:31,520 We be willing to reconsider it." And so the council at that point has a better 1296 01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:35,280 idea of obviously again they can override, but how we all feel, right? 1297 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:37,120 And I think that would maybe, you know, leave everyone a little bit better 1298 01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,800 informed >> this negotiation want to be on here. 1299 01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:47,199 Yeah, >> I mean I get what you're saying. Um, 1300 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:51,199 you know, maybe in under an appeal we can provide a little bit more 1301 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:54,000 information so they have >> the next one or two zoning 1302 01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:57,679 classifications that would be less intense that may meet the needs of that 1303 01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:02,159 particular person and say, "Look, y'all might want to consider this, you know, 1304 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:04,639 during uh the appeal process." Something like that. 1305 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:09,920 » Yeah. I think you just again you want to give give them a better idea um I guess 1306 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:13,760 why number one you know they're they're asking for a down zoning unbeknownst to 1307 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:17,199 us obviously because that's happening after we've already made our 1308 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:20,719 recommendation so if we can give them a better idea of hey we'd like to see it 1309 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:25,600 here then I think we would all feel a lot better about being overridden in 1310 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:31,040 downtown sort of exparte right >> so I'll say this um you know during an 1311 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:36,080 appeal when we zoning change that's going to come back to y'all all under 1312 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:41,600 planning and if there's a if if if it's an intense appeal, 1313 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:47,600 we have a commissioner or two sometimes attend those meetings with council 1314 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:50,880 members andor developers because it may go it's it may come back to y'all. If 1315 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,360 it's just a 1acre park that's going to be commercial, they're going to get 1316 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:57,679 permits. They're going to move on. But if it's a subdivision that is trying to 1317 01:36:55,679 --> 01:37:01,520 go to S2, but they're negotiating down to S1, and we know it's coming back to 1318 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,600 the commission under planning, we'll probably have a commissioner or two 1319 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:07,199 there. >> That makes sense. 1320 01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:11,679 » So, we're doing a lot in the background. Um, 1321 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,760 » we uh can always improve, but yeah, we're doing a lot of these things that 1322 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:20,080 you're all talking about. >> Mr. Trxillo. 1323 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:26,159 » Yeah, this is the staff Ross also. Uh, I'm sure y'all give them lots of 1324 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:32,320 information and if and and uh because I know uh some of the council people 1325 01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:37,199 called me. I've been here a long time. So, I have interaction with them at once 1326 01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:43,119 we deny some before they call me. Sometimes they call and ask, "Hey, why?" 1327 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:47,520 And I give them uh my reason. And I'm sure they do the same thing to y'all. 1328 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:50,960 » Absolutely. So I I don't see any issue with giving them more information. If if 1329 01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:57,360 they choose to read it, fine. If they don't, that's that's that's them. And 1330 01:37:53,920 --> 01:38:01,679 they the they are the are in charge of the decisions. Basically, they rule. If 1331 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:04,719 they want to change it, they're going to change it. That That's all I want to 1332 01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:08,159 say. >> That's I' I'd comment on that, too, and 1333 01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:13,040 say ultimately they're the elected officials. So, you know, they're held to 1334 01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:18,000 a higher level of accountability than, you know, based on the decisions to 1335 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:20,800 overturn or to uh, you know, approve a downzoning. Commissioner RC, you have 1336 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:24,960 additional comments. >> Yeah, I like the part in here where it 1337 01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:30,159 says if we recommend a modified approval, I think that I think that 1338 01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:34,960 gives your I guess I think that marries both y'all is in there that if we say, 1339 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:38,639 "Hey, this is not good, but we would go to that." That gives a a quicker way to 1340 01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:43,199 do it. Yeah. What the fear I think what you're 1341 01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:48,480 saying is in that case where it's not a recommendation where we're like no this 1342 01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:53,600 is not fitting and then they go one thing under it and then the council 1343 01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:57,920 person based on various different other factors 1344 01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:02,320 are not having that oversight by us is that I think that's the fear that we 1345 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:07,600 have. Um >> it's they don't have we don't have 1346 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:11,280 oversight over them. They have over us, >> not oversight, but the idea that 1347 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,440 somebody else is looking over it. >> Cuz if John Gain 1348 01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:16,800 » not having the recommendation, >> if John Gains, not having the 1349 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:22,719 recommendation, if John Gaines is friends with the developer 1350 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:27,600 » and they shoot for Highway Commercial 3, >> I'm not friends with any developers. 1351 01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:30,639 » Lucky you have friends. and that they shoot for highway 1352 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:34,080 commercial 3 knowing that it's a settle at highway commercial one, but it's 1353 01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:38,480 really a neighborhood commercial district, but they play that game and 1354 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:41,520 that shell game without oversight from a commission that actually live on the 1355 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:44,960 ground and actually want to work and play that and play the process. 1356 01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:48,159 » You know, we have 14 council members who's it's always going to be somebody's 1357 01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:50,960 district who lives in that area. >> I get it. I get it. 1358 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:54,239 » I mean, I think >> it I I agree. I think 1359 01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:55,920 » I'm overthinking the film. I'll take your word for it. 1360 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,760 » Well, I think so. I think we're trying to codify the process. 1361 01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:04,159 » We can't control what they think of. >> We do by policy now. Yeah. 1362 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:09,119 » Um it's really just making it where they're where it's on the books. 1363 01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:12,639 Um and we're going to provide them more information, better memos. 1364 01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:16,560 » Yeah. I love I love the idea of more information and the and the 1365 01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:21,280 recommendations being able to be moved on. It's just that one little blind spot 1366 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,400 that is a fear for >> and it's been happening since day one 1367 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:28,159 since this commission and I council been >> Do we have a motion? 1368 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,840 » Make a motion. >> We need a second. Commissioner Rober, 1369 01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:34,159 » I'd like to second the motion to approve. 1370 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:40,360 » Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve. 1371 01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,360 No further comments. Please vote. 1372 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,960 Motion to approve carries. 1373 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:53,239 » Amen. >> Come over here. 1374 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:06,719 » We made amend on that last motion, I guess. I don't know. All right. See 1375 01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:12,159 amen. Chapter 100, Administration. Section 105, definitions, and chapter 1376 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:16,800 300, buildings and construction. Section 305, inspections to add requirements for 1377 01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:21,760 construction test meters and non-residential projects. staff. 1378 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:26,239 » So, this amendment establishes a definition for a construction test meter 1379 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:30,400 and requirements and allowances for non-residential projects and allows them 1380 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:34,639 to be active no longer than 90 days from the date of issuance until the the date 1381 01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:39,040 of issuance for a certificate of occupancy. It essentially allows the 1382 01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:42,080 permits director to pull the temporary test meter if the building isn't in 1383 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:47,040 compliance with building code or other applicable sections of the unified 1384 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:51,760 development code. Anybody in favor wants to speak? 1385 01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:55,199 » Anybody opposed? >> I want to speak. 1386 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:59,920 » I'm going to bring it to the push. >> I'm going in order, sir. I might be a 1387 01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:02,960 rookie here, but I know the processes. Commissioner Rober, 1388 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,440 » this one's easy. >> Rober was the first one. 1389 01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:08,719 » This one's easy. I'd like to make a motion to approve. 1390 01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:10,800 » All right, >> Mr. Seager. 1391 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:15,119 » Second. >> Can I speak or No, 1392 01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:18,080 » did you? Oh, I didn't I didn't I didn't know. 1393 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:21,119 » That's this is on rural temples for non-residential construction. 1394 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:24,960 » Okay. I thought we were on a different >> Gotcha. Mr. Seager. Second. 1395 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,760 » Yes. >> Second by Mr. Seager. Mr. Truckillo and 1396 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:32,480 you >> Yes. I just have questions if you don't 1397 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:36,000 mind. I I had quite many years experience with with 1398 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:41,600 the utility company. I I have a few questions here. Uh when you're saying 1399 01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:46,480 test me is actually a temporary plugin uh but for about 39 day permit correct 1400 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:52,000 before they could check the equipment and and and make sure that the that the 1401 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:55,920 floors the the floors are sealing properly and everything like that which 1402 01:42:53,760 --> 01:43:04,000 is a great idea which that does it speeds up the the occupancy rate so so 1403 01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:09,760 people have to wait later but do we have anything like that for the residential 1404 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:13,600 side? No, not this time. >> We don't this time, but we allow for it 1405 01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,440 after the rough and inspections. And the uh 1406 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,000 » Will you come up here, please? >> Mic, please. 1407 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:23,080 » I apologize. >> No, come sit over here. 1408 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,080 » Yeah, come sit over here. 1409 01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:28,960 » This is Nick Leblon, our permits inspection. 1410 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:33,840 » I know. You know, >> this is Nick Leblanc, 1411 01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:38,719 » the director of permits and inspections. Um we we allow for a temporary utility 1412 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:41,440 connect um during residential post roughening inspection. So when they 1413 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,080 allow to insulate is when we allow for it in residential. Commercial is a 1414 01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:46,639 little bit more complicated. >> Oh no. Well I understand that. 1415 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,239 » So we want to make sure that we get a CT. 1416 01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:51,440 » I just want to make sure that that the residential side had that opportunity 1417 01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:54,320 but I know it's not 90 days. It's usually a 30-day period. Right. 1418 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,480 » They have that opportunity right now. Yes sir. This is just 1419 01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,960 » and these are the meters that are plugged into the meter pan. Not not 1420 01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:01,920 temporary. Okay. >> That's correct. Two poles are cut early. 1421 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:08,600 » That's why I want to make want to clarify to everybody. Thank you. 1422 01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,600 » I'm good. 1423 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,360 » Motion in a second. >> Okay, we have a motion in a second. 1424 01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:18,760 » Yeah, >> please vote. 1425 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,480 » Missing one. 1426 01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:28,040 » Mine is blue. 1427 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:35,800 » Everybody got a blue light? I got blue lettering. 1428 01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,960 » So, how do I 1429 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:46,440 » Can we all reselect our vote? >> Yeah. Everybody hit it again, 1430 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:46,440 » please. 1431 01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:55,320 » All right. Hold on. >> Try again. 1432 01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,320 » Please try again. 1433 01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:01,520 » There we go. >> Yay. 1434 01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:05,600 » Motion to approve carries. Item D, >> give me a mic. 1435 01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:12,400 » One more time. >> Item D, amend chapter 400, zoning 1436 01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:18,199 section 48 RR. U standards for swimming pools to clarify setbacks for pool 1437 01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:18,199 equipment. 1438 01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:28,480 » This one's pretty self-explanatory. It's uh clarifying setback requirements for 1439 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:33,360 swimming pool equipment. So that and why do we need a clarification? 1440 01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:38,719 » Well, right now right now it goes 1441 01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:41,920 right now it goes by the the rim of the pool or the decking, but we have an 1442 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:45,360 issue with swimming pool equipment encroaching into the sideyard setback 1443 01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:48,880 and the UDC didn't specifically require any setback, but we've always had a 1444 01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:51,840 policy to say it needs to be compliant with the pool setback. This just 1445 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:55,119 codifies it. >> Oh, thank you. very important piece of 1446 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:59,360 legislation. >> Self-explanatory. Please explain, 1447 01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:02,480 please. >> A little more than you thought. 1448 01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:07,280 » Yes. Anyone in the audience wish to speak in favor? 1449 01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:11,760 Anyone opposed? >> Bring it back to the commission. 1450 01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:14,880 Commissioner Seager. >> Move to approve. 1451 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:17,760 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager. Commissioner Trxillo. 1452 01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:23,880 » Second. >> Motion and a second. No further 1453 01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:23,880 discussion. Please vote. 1454 01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:33,679 Motion to approve carries. >> Item E, amend chapter 100 administration 1455 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:39,760 and chapter 400 zoning, including section 4003 commercial zoning 1456 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:46,159 districts. Section 44 specialized zoning districts. Section 405, 1457 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:51,840 industrial districts, 407 overlay districts, and section 48 using 1458 01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:57,800 standards to add outdoor shooting range as conditional use and include minimum 1459 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,800 standards. 1460 01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:04,800 » This one again is relatively um you know easy to understand. 1461 01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:10,000 » Don't say the words. We're requesting postponement uh of this 1462 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:13,840 UDC amendment to allow us further time to research to make sure that we get all 1463 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:17,280 the comments that we received the first time this was on your agenda by you and 1464 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,080 implemented into the code before it comes back to you. 1465 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:23,040 » So you're requesting item E be postponed or table motion to postpone. 1466 01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:26,000 » We'll revert. >> We have a motion to postpone. 1467 01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:27,600 » Second. >> Yes. 1468 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,679 » And a second. >> How long? 1469 01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,719 » Indeely. >> Indefinitely. 1470 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:35,040 » Nope. We don't do indefinitely anymore. >> Okay. Motion postpone. 1471 01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:39,000 » Motion to table. >> Motion to table. Okay. 1472 01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:48,080 » Motion postpone. >> Is is is 1473 01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:51,600 one month enough time >> if you table it. We don't try to bring 1474 01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,239 these UDC amendments to you every month. We try and separate them out a few 1475 01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:57,679 months. So we'll have to readver. >> I'm being informed by legal that we 1476 01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:01,920 can't table it because table it just pulls it to the la end of the meeting 1477 01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:04,639 » and we are at the end of the meeting. Can we withdraw? 1478 01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:07,199 » The next time we wait for it will be December. 1479 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:10,639 » Two months. >> Two months. 1480 01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:13,440 » Three months. >> November, 1481 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:16,800 » October, November, December. >> Three months. 1482 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:20,719 » Motion for three months. Postponement. >> Second to approve. 1483 01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:24,440 » Motion and a second to postpone for three months. Please vote. 1484 01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:35,280 » Motion to postpone three months. Carries. 1485 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:41,760 Item F, amend chapter 400, zoning section 400- AAA. Uh, use standards for 1486 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:45,480 mobile food trucks to incorporate revised standards. 1487 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:52,000 Currently in the UDC, food trucks have to come to us every time they want to 1488 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:55,280 sell from a different property. Um, it's incumbent upon the planning department 1489 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:58,400 to check the zoning of the property, make sure they're not parked in required 1490 01:48:56,639 --> 01:49:04,800 parking spaces, make sure they have the correct LD, LDH lensure. It It's not 1491 01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:08,400 necessarily making sense for the way food trucks operate and that they're 1492 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:12,960 mobile business to come to us every time they want to sell from a different 1493 01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:16,880 property and pay the $100 fee. Um, we looked into best practices and other 1494 01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:20,560 jurisdictions and found that a lot of places are just requiring an annual 1495 01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:24,960 permit. So that's what this ordinance is proposing just to have a one-time annual 1496 01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:30,760 permit where they understand read all the rules and regulations and sign to 1497 01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:30,760 abide by the before notary. 1498 01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:37,679 » Okay. Anyone in the audience wish to speak in favor? 1499 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:40,560 » Food trucks are good trucks. >> Anyone opposed? 1500 01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,360 » Best kind of truck. >> Bring it back to the commission. 1501 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:46,960 Commissioner Walker. >> Yeah. Thank you all for this one. Been 1502 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:52,239 in this industry a couple years and it's mindboggling every time. New piece. Dang 1503 01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:57,679 it. We got to go back to the parish. So, no. This one is awesome. Makes sense. No 1504 01:49:55,199 --> 01:50:00,960 issues. I'll make a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. Commissioner Walker. 1505 01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:06,000 Commissioner Blanchard. >> I I'll move to second. Um I love food 1506 01:50:03,679 --> 01:50:10,159 trucks. >> We have a motion to second. Do you have 1507 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:13,040 comments? >> Won't be long. 1508 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:18,719 » I just have a favor to ask. Can we get GIS to add a food truck approved layer 1509 01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:23,679 to the parish GIS so that the food trucks have somewhere to go to see 1510 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:25,600 pre-approved locations and then we can all follow and see where they're going 1511 01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:29,480 to be at >> I could find them. 1512 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:29,480 » Yeah. 1513 01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:36,960 » Yeah, that was it. You just have to have a written permission. Like if you're 1514 01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:41,520 going to our precinct for instance, we just have to have either a text, email, 1515 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:47,239 something. >> I have to approve all taco trucks before 1516 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,239 they can operate. 1517 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:53,600 » I'll take care of the >> We have a We have a motion and a second. 1518 01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:57,679 No further discussion. Please vote. >> Hey guys, come on. I know I know this is 1519 01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:01,600 waning on tonight, so let's uh we got a couple more here to get through. 1520 01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:09,280 Motion to approve carries. >> Item G, amend 500, uh, nonconformity 1521 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:15,400 section 500-2, types of non-conformities to clarify abandonment terms for 1522 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,400 manufactured homes. 1523 01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:23,360 » Um, right now for legal non-conforming uses, specifically manufactured homes, 1524 01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:26,719 if the electricity to that manufactured home is turned off for longer than 6 1525 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:30,639 months, the parish no longer considers it a legal non-conforming use. is just 1526 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:34,719 non-conforming and the electricity can't turn be turned back on. The same 1527 01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:39,599 situation is similar if the manufactured home is removed from the property. This 1528 01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:44,159 ordinance uh proposes an extended timeline of two years so that when you 1529 01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:48,400 have an existing mobile home that's been on a piece of property for some time and 1530 01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:53,679 the electricity is turned off within that two-year time span, it it can be 1531 01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:57,599 administratively approved under a request for a building permit uh by the 1532 01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:03,280 planning department who checks the zoning even if the property is not zoned 1533 01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:06,400 correctly. This also allows um for the same consideration if the manufactured 1534 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:10,239 home is taken off the property. As long as we have that date of last service 1535 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:17,000 that's within the 2-year time span, then we can approve as as considering it as 1536 01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:17,000 illegal non-conforming use. 1537 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:25,199 » Anyone in the audience wish to speak in favor? 1538 01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:29,840 Anyone opposed? So, the only comment I have on this one 1539 01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:34,960 is two years is a long time. And the only concern I have on that, I mean, I I 1540 01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:38,400 I do think that six months is too short. The only concern I have is sitting two 1541 01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:43,040 years, uh, it's going to have a lot of mold because you have a a a property 1542 01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:46,320 that's not on a slab. It doesn't have the moisture remediation that 1543 01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:48,960 » still needs to be inspected and approved. 1544 01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:54,800 » Okay. I was wondering if that was Okay. So, that's that's the only thought that 1545 01:52:51,199 --> 01:53:00,880 I had. Uh, Commissioner Seager, >> I really like the idea that um the staff 1546 01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:04,400 is able to do that for the public uh immediately instead of waiting for 1547 01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:06,800 another governing body. I move to approve. 1548 01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:11,840 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Seager, Commissioner Trxillo. Yeah, I agree with 1549 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:17,119 my colleague that that's that's a good thing for the public and I'm sure the 1550 01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:21,840 staff and and and Nick with uh with permitted going to make sure that that 1551 01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:25,520 the that the media pan is expect inspected before they plug anything in. 1552 01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:29,840 I second >> motion and a second. Mr. Roar. 1553 01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:33,040 » Oh, I was just going to say I really like this one. kind of gives us a little 1554 01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:37,599 bit more flexibility with housing options in the parish and it gives 1555 01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:41,520 estates time to settle after succession wills everything else. So yeah, I would 1556 01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:47,320 have seconded. >> We have a motion and a second. No 1557 01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:47,320 further discussion. Please vote. 1558 01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:56,719 » Motion to approve carries. >> Item H amend chapter 600 general 1559 01:53:54,159 --> 01:54:01,599 development standards 600-6.2 to accessory use standards to increase 1560 01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:08,159 the size of a boat house allowable on a state designated scenic river. 1561 01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:10,000 » Um, this one is pretty self-explanatory, but I can give you some details if you 1562 01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:15,040 like. >> Can you please explain it to explain it 1563 01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:19,679 in extreme detail? >> The state doesn't have any requirements 1564 01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:23,679 uh for scenic rivers that cap the allowable size of a boat house. So, this 1565 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:27,840 is just revising our ordinance to take that C cap off for scenic rivers and 1566 01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:32,560 allow all boat houses uh the same affordability for size requirements. 1567 01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:36,960 » Thank you. >> Um, anyone supposed to speak in favor? 1568 01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:40,280 » Anyone opposed? >> Mr. Allen. 1569 01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:47,840 » Thank you, Chairman Gaines. Matthew Allen with Northshore Riverwatch. And 1570 01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:51,760 I'm neither for or against this. I just wanted to give you all some background 1571 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:55,920 information. Last year, uh, Scenic Rivers went underwent some rule changes, 1572 01:54:54,000 --> 01:55:00,960 and one of them was to give general permits for certain activities on, uh, 1573 01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:05,520 Scenic Rivers, and one of them was to, uh, for boat houses under 800 square ft. 1574 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:09,840 They would give a general permit, but the permit would still be needed for 1575 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:14,159 anything over 800 square ft. So, that takes it out of the parish's hands and 1576 01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:16,000 puts it in Scenic River's hands. I just wanted to let y'all know that. Thank 1577 01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:22,080 you. >> Thank you. Any 1578 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:25,679 uh anyone else wish to speak in favor or opposed? 1579 01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:29,760 Bring it back to the commission. I'm going to comment on this first because 1580 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:35,840 I've actually built boat houses on on uh several of the scenic rivers and uh it's 1581 01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:42,159 extraordinarily difficult uh to to put anything in a 800 ft footprint. It's 1582 01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:47,920 just it's very small. Uh boats have have gotten a lot larger in size. So, I think 1583 01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:51,920 that this is a a in good and and it can still be in keeping with the surrounding 1584 01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:56,960 area. I know that a lot of our builders built some some really nice structures 1585 01:55:54,000 --> 01:56:02,159 uh in the area. Uh so, I think this can still be, you know, accommodated. Um 1586 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:05,599 Commissioner Walker, >> move to approve. 1587 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:07,520 » Motion to approve. Commissioner Walker, Commissioner Seager. 1588 01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:12,679 » Second. >> Motion and a second. Please vote. 1589 01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:26,320 Motion to approve carries. >> Item I amend chapter 900 infrastructure 1590 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:30,239 section 900-6.5 placement of field to add language which 1591 01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:33,560 regulates the placement of field and major subdivisions. 1592 01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,840 » Yes, sir. >> I'll try to be quick on this one. 1593 01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:43,760 » This one. >> That'll be me. I'll try to be quick on 1594 01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:46,480 it, but so um major subdivision developments are currently required to 1595 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:50,080 undergo engineering review, including drainage plans, hydraulic analysis, 1596 01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:53,360 storm water detention that controls the rate at which storm water leaves 1597 01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:56,480 development and fills mitigated in an effort to manage water, which naturally 1598 01:56:55,280 --> 01:57:00,560 moves across the property where it's temporary stored in low areas during 1599 01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:04,480 rainfalls. The proposed tech change attempts to manage how development how 1600 01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:08,400 developing new major subdivisions can fit within existing terrain and natural 1601 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:12,239 drainage patterns of the property. In a very general summary, the ordinance does 1602 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:16,719 four things. For new major residential subdivisions, the ordinance will limit 1603 01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:19,760 fill and grading to 24 in above and below the pre-development grade to 1604 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:24,560 encourage development that follows the existing terrain rather than 1605 01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:28,639 substantially reshape the site. Two, in floods in flood zones A and AE, as well 1606 01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:32,080 as areas shown in the engineered approved inundation model to be 1607 01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:36,960 inundated during a 100red-year rainfall event, the ordinance requires a 1.25 1608 01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:40,639 mitigation factor. The additional 0.25 0.25 mitigation factor which can be 1609 01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:43,440 applied towards the major subdivision's green space when landscape or 1610 01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:46,800 amenitized. Number three, it requires maximum 1611 01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:50,800 allowable fill elevations for individual lots to be shown on the recorded plat 1612 01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:54,800 for future home construction. And number four, it requires that if regulatory 1613 01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:58,400 height of the home FFE cannot be met using the allowable amount of fill, the 1614 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:03,040 additional height must be achieved using peers, pilings, or vented crawl space. 1615 01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,760 In other words, a raised construction. The parish had a meeting with interested 1616 01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:09,199 parties which resulted in several amendments to the text change. A copy of 1617 01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:12,320 that amended document has been placed in front of you for your review and the 1618 01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:16,000 track changes are presented in red. And those changes include the following. 1619 01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:19,760 One, a disclaimer that all requirements for the proposed text change don't apply 1620 01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:24,960 to major residential subdivisions where the average lot size of the residential 1621 01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:29,040 lots exceed 1 acre or greater in area. Two, a statement that roadways can be 1622 01:58:26,719 --> 01:58:33,840 elevated beyond the 24inch max cap at intersections with existing rights of 1623 01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:38,159 way roadways or drainage crossings. Number three, a statement that says the 1624 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:42,320 additional 0.25 fill mitigation factor shall qualify the development for a 10% 1625 01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:47,119 reduction in lot area or with not to exceed the maximum 20% reduction allowed 1626 01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:51,440 in the major subdivision incentive list. Number four, an exclusion for the 1627 01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:57,520 coastal areas inundated by title events. And number five, a statement which says 1628 01:58:53,520 --> 01:59:01,440 that 24 in maximum filamentations shall not include the house slab or 1629 01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:10,960 thicknesses for foundations for major subdivisions when situated in flood zone 1630 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:16,480 X, C, B, or X500. Thank you. Thank you. >> Self-explanatory. Okay. I have uh 1631 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:22,800 several cards here uh in the uh four category. Uh Mr. Allen, just be 1632 01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:22,800 cognizant that I have two other cards. 1633 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:30,560 All right. Thank you again, Chairman Gaines and uh committee members. Uh 1634 01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:34,080 Matthew Allen for Northshore Riverw Watch. And I gave you all good 1635 01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:38,239 eight-page comment. I'm not going to go over all that, but I do want to point 1636 01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:44,080 out my main point that the special flood hazard areas are quickly becoming 1637 01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:49,119 irrelevant. Those are based on 1968 concepts. 1638 01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:54,159 68 60 year old concepts. we have a lot better understanding of what our flood 1639 01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:59,599 hazards are nowadays and it was really just for the initial mapping of it. Now 1640 01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:04,000 after decades of focusing just on the special flood hazard areas, 1% chance 1641 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:08,719 100year flood areas, however you want to say it, it's given us a binary. You're 1642 02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:14,400 either in a flood area or you're out of a flood area. That is not true. There 1643 02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:18,560 are grad gradations of it and we've seen that over the course of the last few 1644 02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:23,679 years. uh uh talking about uh flood plane development 1645 02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:28,400 but and so we really don't know the true flood risk and they are out of date and 1646 02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:32,400 the federal government's not going to update them. They neither have the 1647 02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:37,280 resources nor the expertise at this point or the willpower to do anything 1648 02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:41,599 else. Now for example just on the little chafuna 1649 02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:48,400 BF has been exceeded five times in 40 years. So and here's an example from Mr. 1650 02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:53,360 Jacobson over in uh the meat area for example the water institute recently 1651 02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:59,920 estimated a 1% annual chance of flood level at Port Vincent to be 3 ft higher 1652 02:00:56,480 --> 02:01:04,400 than the outdated maps. So we need this we need to be able to study and we need 1653 02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:10,159 the higher standards the best available data not rely on just these outdated 1654 02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:17,560 FEMA maps which is my main point for my comments. Thank you. Um Paul 1655 02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:17,560 Abbotti. 1656 02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:31,040 » Hi, I'm the uh secretary uh for Savannah Trace HOA and uh just want to say that 1657 02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:36,480 uh anything that would uh uh that would help out stifling uh Phil anything that 1658 02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:41,280 would be an improvement on those regulations would be appreciated for our 1659 02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:46,159 subdivision. Uh my daughter lives in the front and she's two feet higher than me 1660 02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:53,520 and that's typical of many subdivisions I know in Jefferson Parish and I found 1661 02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:57,760 out it was typical here. Um I also uh would like to know when you say 1662 02:01:55,040 --> 02:02:02,719 subdivision, is that applicable to just single family homes or is this multi- 1663 02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:06,239 housing units as well? Developments that that would have condos and apartments 1664 02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:12,000 and things like that. >> It's a great question. So I will take 1665 02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:17,679 that for you. Okay. Okay. And um and my understanding then since it said 1666 02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:22,480 new is that with two lots left to develop in my neighborhood, would that 1667 02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:27,520 person get the the same right that I got four years ago when I was developing and 1668 02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:33,280 I was able to write a variance and uh and acquire my fill or is that going to 1669 02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:36,400 change now? Just curious. >> That is also a great question and I 1670 02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:40,000 think one of our commissioners going to field that for you. 1671 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:44,800 Okay. Uh, and I would also say before I part, 1672 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:49,280 uh, as someone who was a victim of living next to somebody hired, we're 1673 02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:54,480 talking about dirt. Um, Jeffson Parish did develop article 202, which came to 1674 02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:59,119 my rescue 30, 40 years ago when I was a young man. I noticed that in reading 1675 02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:03,280 some things lately that it does say no one shall build higher than the other 1676 02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:08,880 person. It just doesn't say what you're going to do to fix that problem. And I 1677 02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:12,719 have been through engineering with some very helpful people, but it still 1678 02:03:10,719 --> 02:03:17,840 doesn't say how you're going to cure that right now. I know there's a 1679 02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:22,320 gentleman who who's trying to uh survive a situation and and he's he's not sure 1680 02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:28,159 how he's going to be able to to make it work, but but it's not his fault. It's 1681 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,679 it's so so maybe an article that would help people. 1682 02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:34,840 » Thank you. >> Along that line. Thank you, 1683 02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:34,840 » Jamie Seagura. 1684 02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:44,719 You didn't you didn't mark four or against. So which which category should 1685 02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:47,280 I put you in? >> Um 1686 02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:49,599 » against. >> Against. Okay. 1687 02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:53,119 » Yeah. >> Yeah. I asked for four right now. So you 1688 02:03:51,679 --> 02:03:56,239 didn't mark it. So if you could just give me one minute. 1689 02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:59,239 » Okay. >> Barbara. 1690 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:03,560 Barbara Haron. 1691 02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:07,080 Christy Trail. 1692 02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:18,719 » Yes, ma'am. >> Good evening. I'm Christy Trail, 1693 02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:22,320 executive director of Pont Train Conservancy. I'll keep this very brief. 1694 02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:26,480 I think it's worth stating that the Army Corps of Engineers has conducted a 1695 02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:31,119 feasibility study in St. Tam Parish. They concluded that more than 65 6,400 1696 02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:34,560 structures across the parish would benefit from elevation or flood 1697 02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:38,800 proofing. And that tells us that flooding is a widespread challenge and a 1698 02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:42,639 parish and state as flat as ours where waterways frequently fill and drainage 1699 02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:46,480 slows or backs up. We cannot solve flooding by simply digging deeper 1700 02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:50,400 ditches or moving more dirt. We must preserve flood storage, maintain natural 1701 02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:53,920 drainage patterns, and build in ways that work with the landscape. This 1702 02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:56,560 ordinance is not the final answer, but it is an important step in that 1703 02:04:55,360 --> 02:05:00,080 direction. Thank you. >> Thank you. 1704 02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:03,400 Anyone else in the audience wish to speak in favor? 1705 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:10,080 » Sorry, D card for you. So, >> you're fine. Hi, my name is Russell 1706 02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:14,480 Gorgio and I just want to say I'm in favor. I think this is a good step 1707 02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:19,679 forward because not just new subdivisions, but my old subdivision 1708 02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:25,520 that I lived in in 21 with IDA, the houses past me had to get raised because 1709 02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:29,679 of new flood requirements and my house almost flooded. I missed it by half an 1710 02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:33,119 inch because all of the houses above me shed their water on me. So, I think this 1711 02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:37,440 is a good step forward. Thank you. >> Thank you. 1712 02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:42,320 » Okay. Uh for against, we'll move on to the opposition now. Go ahead. 1713 02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:45,840 No, go ahead. Chair. >> Yes, sir. I'm going to catch you. 1714 02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:49,679 There's another threem minute period. I'm going to give you that time at the 1715 02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:53,440 after the the against. Okay. I don't want to just deprive you with just 4 1716 02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:57,880 seconds. Okay. Migura, 1717 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:14,960 to be honest, I really don't know if I'm for or against this. I just want to talk 1718 02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:19,440 about the overuse of fill in our wetlands. 1719 02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:26,639 And there are subdivisions that have recently been points of controversy that 1720 02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:33,760 were approved. Unfortunately, our parish president vetoed them. That um in my 1721 02:06:31,599 --> 02:06:39,199 mind should never have been developed because they're wetlands 1722 02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:45,760 um and not just regular wetlands having been the recovery manager for this 1723 02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:53,520 American Red Cross. I personally was out there in 2016, you know, in an area that 1724 02:06:50,079 --> 02:07:00,079 wasn't supposed to flood. So, um, but the more fill you put in in areas that 1725 02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:06,639 are meant to hold water, um, any amount of fill, um, is 1726 02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:13,119 dangerous. And we've seen that millions of times across me, um, across Orleans 1727 02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:19,199 Parish, various places, and some of the other South Louisiana parishes. And 1728 02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:27,440 we're seeing that here in St. Tam Parish. build build to build build we 1729 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:34,400 need to fill fill fill and it's ruining our quality of life here. So um my 1730 02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:42,000 question I do have a question um with this new regulation 1731 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:48,159 since Espironza and Isizador and Providence Park all that area is kind of 1732 02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:56,159 you know up in the air right now. Will these new regulations that you outlined 1733 02:07:52,639 --> 02:08:01,840 apply to those? Because something has to be done to save that area. Thank you. 1734 02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:05,159 Thank you, Mr. Marone. 1735 02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:18,400 » Thank you. Uh just briefly, you noticed I did not check for or against. Um, and 1736 02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:22,239 really we're just, um, I'm here tonight on behalf of some of the business 1737 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:27,760 community and the development community to ask that you all consider tableabling 1738 02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:33,199 this. Um, we just found out as a group last Wednesday. Uh, staff through Ross 1739 02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:36,560 and Nick and and Ted were kind enough to have a meeting with us on Thursday, 1740 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:40,079 which we appreciated. I would say was a very productive meeting. In fact, I 1741 02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:45,280 think some of the amendments, if not all of them, came out of that meeting. Uh so 1742 02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:50,000 we as a group are not opposed to it. But obviously there are a lot of moving 1743 02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:54,639 parts in this um in this document. It's it's it's somewhat complicated. Uh and I 1744 02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:58,639 think it's just important that we take our time and try to get it right. And so 1745 02:08:57,199 --> 02:09:02,239 we would just ask you to consider tableabling it this evening so we can 1746 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:04,960 continue those discussions and hopefully get to a finished product that everybody 1747 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:10,639 can live with. >> Thank you. Sir, 1748 02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:14,079 this is the rebuttal period. So, we're going to give you 3 minutes on the 1749 02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:20,079 clock. >> Yeah. I I I'm hope you do something 1750 02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:23,440 because you know I live at the poor point of St. Tamony Parish in Old 1751 02:09:21,679 --> 02:09:32,400 Manderville. So, every time it rains now, we fill up. But, um, fill 1752 02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:37,920 really is just crazy stuff because one, it damages the natural soils that we 1753 02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:43,679 have. So my gon silt loom is just surrounded by albida red clay and that's 1754 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:48,800 wrong that does not work for the environment the critters everything. So 1755 02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:54,639 there's a lot that's wrong with with Phil and uh there's just something that 1756 02:09:51,920 --> 02:10:00,320 we've got to think about. One acre inch means that 27,000 gallons of water 1757 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:04,800 looking for a new place to go and believe me that place is any place low. 1758 02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:09,679 I was going to ask the planning folks, have you seen the latest uh LAR? Are you 1759 02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:11,840 using that now? >> Engineer 1760 02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:16,560 » that's going to allow us to make decisions. I used to work with Rusty and 1761 02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:20,800 Gibb back when planning was above Teddy's bar 1762 02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:25,360 and the difference that has been made with this LAR. 1763 02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:29,520 I mean that should be when we talk about Phil when we talk about any kind of 1764 02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:35,440 development that should be the thing we do. And we need we need micro sheds, not 1765 02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:40,079 just these giant water sheds, but in those micro sheds, we need to look at 1766 02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:45,040 what Phil can do. So, I've spent 40 years doing it all over the world. And 1767 02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:49,199 and it's all about water no matter where you go. 1768 02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:54,719 And and in in St. Tamony Parish, water is a huge problem and it's growing 1769 02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:57,520 because we have overfilled it already. Thank you. 1770 02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:59,760 » Thank you. >> Come on up. Would you mind to fill that 1771 02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,840 out? >> Sorry. 1772 02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:05,440 » Would you mind to fill that out? >> I did fill it out. I just said my name 1773 02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:07,760 and date. >> Can you fill that out so we can contact 1774 02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:10,320 you? >> Thank you. 1775 02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:13,520 » Hi, Rebecca Bone. And I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about Phil and all 1776 02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:18,400 that, but as a resident here, I think y'all need to plan out ways to prevent 1777 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:22,320 flooding before our development just slaps in a neighborhood and then we have 1778 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:27,840 flooding. They develop behind my house. My backyard is soggy all the time. My 1779 02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:31,920 ditch is filled. I might be dead before they come fix it because I've called the 1780 02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:35,360 bears so many times and I just think a little pre-planning whether it's raising 1781 02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:41,760 houses or whatever needs to be done before development developers just the 1782 02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:44,760 get get the get go. Thank you. There's >> Matthew. 1783 02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:52,000 » Thank you chairman. Um >> did you say 1784 02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:56,719 » I really almost agree with Mr. Marone about tableabling it. Uh, but I think 1785 02:11:54,960 --> 02:12:00,800 that should be something for the parish council to take up. I'm going to ask you 1786 02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:05,119 all to vote on this and let the parish council take up having some committees 1787 02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:10,320 or some public hearings on this because this is a very complicated issue. And 1788 02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:15,360 one thing I'd like to point out is I love the fact that use the natural 1789 02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:20,320 terrain. That's what history has always done and it's time that we start doing 1790 02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:23,760 it again here. It's only common sense. Thank you. 1791 02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:28,119 » Thank you. Okay. Anyone else wish to speak? 1792 02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:35,760 » I know y'all are sick of seeing me. >> No. 1793 02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:40,639 » Um, okay. A couple points. Um, I would just like to clarify that when I 1794 02:12:37,599 --> 02:12:44,480 suggested adding Phil to the land, it was specifically 1795 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:50,480 uh the I'm sorry, it was specifically 1796 02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:52,639 referring to the 11.5 acre subdivision. >> Okay. Those are million-dollar houses, 1797 02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:55,119 you know. >> Sure. This is But we're talking about 1798 02:12:54,159 --> 02:13:01,280 » Yeah. Sorry. I just wanted to circle back. Um, so in we're talking about 1799 02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:04,000 flooding. Yes. Um, >> we're we're we're out of time. 1800 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:08,400 » Sorry. >> Damn. All right. 1801 02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:13,679 » Apologize. Thank you. Okay. Time for public comment is expired. Commissioner 1802 02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:16,239 Rober. >> Settle in. Miss Johnson. 1803 02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:21,920 » Johnston. >> Johnston. This is my baby. I could not 1804 02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:25,599 be any happier to see this in front of me tonight. Um, as a flood plane 1805 02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:29,040 manager, somebody who is from this parish, somebody who has seen this 1806 02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:35,760 parish grow exponentially over the last 30 years. I'm tickled pink at what's in 1807 02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:39,840 front of me. I am thankful and grateful to staff for the sheer amount of work 1808 02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:44,079 that they have put into this. This is beautiful. Um, this is going to make 1809 02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:48,880 such a difference moving forward, not just for this commission and for the 1810 02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:56,159 parish council, but for everybody who lives anywhere in St. Tam Parish. Um, so 1811 02:13:53,360 --> 02:14:02,320 a few things, the gentleman who was concerned with your current subdivision. 1812 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:06,000 So this these standards do not apply to an existing your subdivision is almost 1813 02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:12,400 complete. You said there are two lots left in it. So, right now, and staff can 1814 02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:18,079 correct me if I'm wrong, um, you did not get a quote unquote variance. Your lot 1815 02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:22,560 is in a subdivision that has an approved engineered drainage plan on file. Is 1816 02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:26,000 that correct, staff? It's Savannah Trace, you said. 1817 02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:28,800 » So, Savannah Trace, is that correct, Ted? 1818 02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:32,079 » Approved. >> Uh, yes, we do have an approved drainage 1819 02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:35,280 plan. I don't know particularly if his lot got a variance or if he went to the 1820 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:38,480 BOA. So I don't want to speculate that he did not form of variance but 1821 02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:41,719 » Thank you. Did you have to go to the board of adjustments? 1822 02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:47,599 » So you Okay. So you did so you went for a variance. So typically with flood 1823 02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:50,560 plane matters with flood elevation there's no variance because that does 1824 02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:55,360 not come from the parish. Those standards come from the federal 1825 02:14:52,000 --> 02:15:00,719 government from FEMA and then FIP. So variances on flood plane matters really 1826 02:14:57,679 --> 02:15:06,320 just are not a thing here. So that subdivision has an approved drainage 1827 02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:09,679 plan on file. So the other gentleman, I'm assuming, would more than likely not 1828 02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:13,040 have to mitigate his fill because it's already accounted for in the fill 1829 02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:19,360 calculations for that subdivision that his lot his finished floor elevation has 1830 02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:24,159 to be at a certain height. Um, so hopefully that answers your question. 1831 02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:28,800 I strongly support the direction of this ordinance. Our existing regulations 1832 02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:33,760 focus heavily on what happens after a site is developed. The runoff detention, 1833 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:37,440 hydro hydraologic analysis, and all of the discharge rates, and they're 1834 02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:42,480 essential, but it's only one side of the equation. 1835 02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:46,560 The land performs a function before development that we are not accounting 1836 02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:50,480 for. Water follows the natural topography and low areas provide 1837 02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:54,880 temporary storage. And when we substantially raise a development site, 1838 02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:59,119 we are changing that system, that ecosystem, even if a detention pond 1839 02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:03,360 ultimately releases water at an allowable rate. 1840 02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:08,480 This does not prohibit fill and it does not prohibit development. It just asks 1841 02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:12,400 us to design subdivisions around the existing land rather than automatically 1842 02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:16,079 reshaping the land around the subdivision. 1843 02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:20,480 Where a home needs additional elevation for flood protection, we can raise a 1844 02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:25,119 structure. We don't have to raise the land itself. 1845 02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:29,599 I believe that is the reasonable a reasonable evolution of our drainage and 1846 02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:34,639 flood plane regulations. The subdivision that we approve on paper 1847 02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:39,920 should be the subdivision that we inevitably build. We're not doing that 1848 02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:46,319 right now. This fixes so much of that. Um, 1849 02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:52,240 staff requested one month hold on this and I'm actually 1850 02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:56,080 in favor of it. I want everybody in this parish, our council people, every 1851 02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:59,439 elected official, every environmentalist, everyone who has been 1852 02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:03,200 screaming and asking for these regulations for decades to truly 1853 02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:10,559 understand how they're going to benefit us. And this has been out for a week. 1854 02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:14,960 So, I'm imploring Northshore Riverwatch, everyone who h understands what this 1855 02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:20,880 means for the future of St. Tam to champion it because I will be the 1856 02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:24,960 loudest voice champion as well. Um, so I would make a motion to postpone for 1857 02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:29,280 one month so that we give everyone time to wrap their heads around this 1858 02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:34,559 » motion to postpone for one month. Commissioner Rober, Commissioner Seager. 1859 02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:40,000 Um, I would like to for Commissioner Roar to 1860 02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:48,399 consider a two-month thing. This is a there's a lot of moving parts in this 1861 02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:51,120 and I would like to um amend her to a two-month instead of a one month. 1862 02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:54,800 » Have to make a new motion. >> Yes, that's what I'm moving for. 1863 02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:56,559 » Okay. So, you're making a motion to postpone for two months. 1864 02:17:56,000 --> 02:18:00,160 » Yes. >> Okay. Motion to postpone for two months. 1865 02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:04,599 Commissioner Seager. Commissioner Trxillo. staff 1866 02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:14,399 uh y'all had conversation and y'all recommend the postponement. I mean y'all 1867 02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:20,040 according to what what was said. So is it a month, two months you prefer 1868 02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:24,399 » for a month? >> A month. 1869 02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:27,760 » Yeah, I think you guys can get it done. >> Okay. 1870 02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:31,359 » The longer the postponement, remember it's got to go to council as well. So 1871 02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:35,359 it's a multi-month process. just kind of that. 1872 02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:39,760 » So, a month. I second a month. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second to 1873 02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:44,719 postpone for one month. >> Commissioner Rober, 1874 02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:49,200 » Commissioner Seager. I I appreciate the two months. My concern is that the 1875 02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:54,880 longer we don't approve this, the more it's going to get picked apart. 1876 02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:58,800 We're going to have one person, one interested party after another who is 1877 02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:02,639 going to try to tear everything about this down. I don't want that to happen. 1878 02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:06,880 I want it as strong as it can be. I want it rolled out. I just want everybody to 1879 02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:12,319 understand it first. But I do not want to give time the opportunity to tear 1880 02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:15,840 down what is already a very very strong >> I know we have a motion to postpone on 1881 02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:18,719 the on the the docket. I just have a question for staff about the 1882 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:23,920 postponement if we could. >> Um 1883 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:27,760 » we're making a change to the UDC, but if if there was something that needed to be 1884 02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:29,679 worked out later, they could just propose a new change. Correct. 1885 02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:33,040 » Mhm. >> That's correct. 1886 02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:37,920 » So, we could just we could just put this in tonight and if they want to have 1887 02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:41,120 additional discussions and make that change, they could they could put that 1888 02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:45,760 forward on the second. >> I'd still prefer a month. I mean, this 1889 02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:49,600 is something big for Saint Parish. >> It has only been released to the public 1890 02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:55,200 a week because that's when we release uh release our staff reports. Um to clarify 1891 02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:59,120 few things or questions that came up, it would apply to new major subdivisions. 1892 02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:03,439 So that definition >> residential 1893 02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:05,920 » new major residential subdivisions um and it would apply 1894 02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:09,040 » just just because the audience may not know exactly what that definition is. 1895 02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:11,120 Could y'all define that new major subdivision? How many how many lots is 1896 02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:13,040 that? >> Six lots or more? 1897 02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:17,680 » Six lots or more? >> Yes. In addition, um there was another 1898 02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:21,520 question I just wanted to hit real quick. Oh, 1899 02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:27,200 » anything that has not received concept plan yet would it's concept plan is a 1900 02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:30,000 trigger. So at concept plan, anything through the process, that's that's kind 1901 02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:33,520 of like where it hits. >> So one other clarification, one of the 1902 02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:37,200 gentlemen asked if it was applied to commercial properties. So commercial 1903 02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:41,600 properties have a different code that they have to apply to because they can 1904 02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:45,520 do flood mitigation on the building itself that you can't do on a home. So 1905 02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:48,800 they have a completely different code that they have to apply to in the 1906 02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:53,280 commercial basis. But I did I did appreciate that question. 1907 02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:56,800 » Any any else you want to address? Okay, we have a motion to postpone and a 1908 02:20:54,960 --> 02:21:00,600 second for one month. That takes precedent. Please vote. 1909 02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:14,479 » Motion to postpone. One month carries. >> I think that uh we're done on the 1910 02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:17,479 agenda. Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn.