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A pledge of allegiance, please.
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Roll call, please.

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» Beha, here. Young
>> here,

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» Dilling
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» Neighbors
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» Boone
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» Doyle,
>> Adrien

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» here.
>> All right. First on the agenda, we have

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a proclamation, uh, September 2026,
Suicide Prevention Awareness Month. So,

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I'll read the proclamation here.
September is known around the United

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States as National Suicide Prevention
Awareness Month, and it's intended to

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help raise the visibility of mental
health resources and suicide prevention

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services available in our community. The
goal is to speak openly about the

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importance of mental health and the
impacts of suicide to help remove the

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surrounding stigmas and to direct those
in need to the appropriate support

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services. Suicidal thoughts can affect
anyone regardless of age, gender, race,

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orientation, income level, religion, or
background. And according to the

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American Foundation for Suicide
Prevention,

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suicide is the 11th leading cause of
death among adults and the second

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leading cause of death among individuals
between the ages of 15 and 34 in the US.

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48,824
people died by suicide across the United

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States in 2024
with an average of 135 suicides uh

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completed daily and an estimated 2.2
million suicide attempts in the United

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States in 2024.
Each and every suicide directly impacts

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a minimum of a 100 individuals including
family, friends, uh co-workers,

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neighbors, and community members. The
Village of Manhattan is no different

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than any other community across the
country, but chooses to publicly place

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our full support behind local educators,
mental health professionals, athletic

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coaches, law enforcement officers, and
parents as partners in supporting our

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community and simply being available to
one another.

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National organizations like the American
Foundation for Suicide Prevention and

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Suicide Prevention Services are on the
front lines of a war that many still

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refuse to be discussed. As suicide and
mental health remain to uncomfortable to

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talk about, every member of our
community should understand that

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throughout life's struggles, we all need
the occasional reminder that we are all

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fighting our own battles. I encourage
all residents to take the time to check

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in with their family, friends, and
neighbors on a regular basis and

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honestly communicate their appro
appreciation for their existence.

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By any gesture uh they deem appropriate.
A simple phone call, a message, a

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handshake, a hug uh can go a long way
towards helping someone realize that

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suicide is not the answer. So I, Mike
Adrienson, mayor of the village of

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Manhattan and a board of trustees, do
hereby proclaim that September 2026 be

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designated as National Suicide
Prevention Awareness Month in the

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Village of Manhattan.

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» So [applause]
Shelley, would you like to say a few

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words?

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» Thank you.
>> Got to push the button. Uh, thank you

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Mayor Adrians L and Village Board for
allowing me to speak tonight and for

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continuing to recognize September as
suicide prevention awareness month here

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in Manhattan. Every September I stand
before you and I talk about suicide

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prevention. And every September I wish I
had a different reason for being here,

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but I don't.
Six years ago, my husband Chris and I

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lost our son Jackson. He was only 15
years old when he died by suicide.

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Jackson was much more than a way than
the way we lost him. He was our son, a

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brother, a friend, and a kid who had his
whole life ahead of him. He should have

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grown up, graduated, built a career,
fallen in love, and experienced all the

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moments that we know we will never get
to experience with him. One of the

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hardest things for us to accept is that
we didn't see it coming. There were no

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obvious warning signs, no red flags that
told us how much pain he was in.

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And that is something I want people to
remember. You may not always know.

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The person sitting next to you, the
teenager laughing with their friends,

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the coworker who shows up every day, or
the neighbor who says they're fine, may

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be struggling in ways we cannot see. And
this isn't just a national issue. It's

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happening right here in our community.
Over the past 12 months, Manhattan has

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had 12 documented calls related to
mental health crisises and three

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suicidal attempts. Those numbers are
more than statistics. Behind every call

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is a person, and behind every person is
someone who loves them. So this year, I

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want to leave you with three simple
words. Ask, listen, stay.

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Ask someone how they're really doing.
Listen without judgment. You don't have

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to have the perfect words or solve their
problems. Sometimes simply being there

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matters. And stay connected. Check on
the person who's been quiet. Call the

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friend you haven't heard from. Reach out
to someone who may be struggling. And if

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someone is in crisis, please remember
that help is available by calling or

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texting 988, the suicide and crisis
lifeline. After losing Jackson, our

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family wanted to find a way to turn our
heartbreak into something that could

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help other families. That's why we
created the Jackson Lewis Memorial

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Foundation. Through the foundation, we
work to keep Jackson's memory alive by

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promoting suicide prevention awareness,
supporting programs and help that help

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young people, and providing scholarships
to local students. We can't change what

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happened to Jackson. We can't bring him
back, but we can make sure his life

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continues to have meaning.
And maybe if sharing his story

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encourages one person to ask for help,
one parent to start a conversation, or

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one person to stay a little longer, then
Jackson's story can help save another

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life. That is what I hope about this
month. Not just talking about suicide,

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but talking about life, connection,
compassion, and hope. So please

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remember, ask, listen, stay. You never
know when those three things might make

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all the difference in someone's life.
Thank you.

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» Thanks, Mike.
>> Can someone take a picture for me,

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Kristen,
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take your notes? [laughter]

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Thank you.
>> Can we have a group picture with you?

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» Can all my family and friends come over
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» Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Lord.

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All right. So, next item on the agenda
is public comment. Um, we have uh let's

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see three so five people. We'll do the
same format. three minutes to speak and

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then um you know I'll I'll just kind of
give you a wave and see if we can wrap

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it up and then we do have the flock uh
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so that could be after this but um
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» all right thank you guys I'm going to do
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um it is regarding the flock issue but I
this is the format I set it up for so

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» um I'm going I read as fast as I can, so
don't ignore the heart behind it. Okay.

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All right. Uh, I'm here representing
over 250 individuals regarding the Flock

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uh contract here in Manhattan. Um, which
is um

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it's uh up for renewal. Um,

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many of which had far more colorful
language than I'm willing to use ever.

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So, um, I want to be clear that as a
resident of Manhattan, I am unwilling to

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compromise, uh, my beliefs on the
Constitution. Mass public surveillance

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is not, uh, um, a right uh, is not a
rightful place, uh, where I want and I

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want it removed. Um,
if for some reason this council decides

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to renew the flock LRP AR mass
surveillance camera systems, uh, we are

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asking that a referendum be put before
the city uh, so that the public has the

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ability to vote for it. Uh, a mass
surveillance system should not be chosen

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by uh, individuals. It should or by a
small body. It should be something

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chosen by the masses.

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Uh after speaking with much of the
leadership here, um there are several

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conclusions that I've come to. Uh the
first is that this is a rather

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unprecedent unprecedented
technology and needed further uh

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investigation prior prior to it being
installed. Um unlike Will County that

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has decided to go ahead and allow it and
I quote uh we'll write the rules later.

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No doubt that this is a powerful tool,
but there are many questions regarding

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its legality, ethics, safety costs, and
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And then the distrust that's caused
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government.
This is uh a violation of my fourth

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amendment right. It does not uh require
a warrant for searches. My vehicle is my

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private property, my driving habits, my
whereabouts, my face, and many other

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items that these cameras can capture.
Storing personal data and allowing

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random uh for allowing random searches
later is a unconstitutional unwarranted

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search. A breach of my privacy and often
turn in turn ends up becoming more

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illegal activity like stalking, which we
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most recently. We've seen it here in
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The system violates uh oh, sorry, let me
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that there is no right um to privacy in
public, I would say the system far

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surpasses that ideology as it does not
just it's not just a camera that takes a

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photo of a license plate, but it's a
database that is designed to create and

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monitor people that are
everyone whether criminal or not,

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innocent or not.
For those who say that there are already

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these devices in place like ring
cameras, ring cameras are privately

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owned, private property and generally
unless given over require some form of

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warrant.
>> And I I'll just say that three minutes

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is coming to an end.
>> I'm really sure.

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» Okay. And you're certainly welcome to
say that in the discussion, too.

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» Yeah, absolutely. I've just got two
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everyone here, um,
I'm jumping down so I can synopsis very

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quickly.

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Everyone here just pledged allegiance to
the flag of the United States of

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America. And I'm going to quote, um, one
nation under God with liberty and

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justice for all. There is only one power
on this planet that has the right to

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monitor where everybody is at any given
time, and that's God himself. So unless

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this body is deciding that is higher
than God and higher than the

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constitution, I'm asking for it to be
removed and or at very minimum be voted

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on by the public.
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Corey Buck.

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» That'll be Cody Buck.
>> Oh, [clears throat] Cody, I'm sorry. I

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apologize.
Good evening. I uh spoke at the last

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meeting regarding fault cameras. Uh
since then, I've learned quite a bit and

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given even more reason and questions as
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the system.
Last time I came looking for answers,

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tonight I want to address what those
answers and the questions still

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unanswered actually mean.
Since then, we've identified eight

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apparent fraud cameras within Manhattan.
while the transparency information

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reports 15 LPR and other cameras associ
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I'd like some clarification on what
those 15 cameras represent, who owns or

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operates them, and what access Manhattan
police has to the information they

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collect. We're also told Manhattan isn't
sharing its flock data with other

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jurisdictions. Yet, the transparency
information appears to show Manhattan

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receiving information from outside
jurisdictions. So, what exactly does

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quote unquote not sharing mean?
Can Manhattan search other communities

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data? Can outside agencies obtain ours?
And does every outside request require

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Manhattan's permission?
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I'm not asking whether policies prohibit
an officer from abusing the system. What

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actually prevents an authorized
individual from abusing it? Who

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proactively audits searches? And are
residents notified when the information

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is improperly accessed?

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And my concern doesn't begin and end
with Faulk. Flock is one company. LPR

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networks, automated cameras, AI assisted
searches, and other surveillance

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technologies will continue advancing.
We're not simply deciding deciding

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whether we trust Flock today. We're
establishing what level of surveillance

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Manhattan is willing to normalize
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If these systems gain new capabilities
or if lock is replaced by something more

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powerful, what requires another public
discussion or vote? And if something

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legal today becomes illegal tomorrow,
what binding safeguard prevents this

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infrastructure from being repurposed to
identify or locate residents to enforce

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a future law this community considers
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I'm not asking whether you would do that
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I'm asking what prevents someone from
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And before I finish, I think there's a
larger question of public consent.

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A decision involving surveillance and
the collection of information about

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people's movements affects this entire
community, not simply the people

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participating in one meeting.
Something with consequences this broad

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deserves a method of public input
equally broad.

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The people of Manhattan should have a
meaningful say in whether this is

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something we want in our community at
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I don't believe the answer is another
compromise or another policy promising

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these cameras will will only be used
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These systems are capable of far too
much for that to be enough. You can give

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us safeguards today, but what prevents a
future board, police administration,

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company or legislation legislator from
changing or removing them tomorrow? Once

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the surveillance infrastructure exists,
the rules can change without rebuilding

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a single camera. So I am asking for one
of two things. Remove the LPR camera

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system or put its continued use before
the people of Manhattan and let us vote.

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If this system truly has the support of
this community, then give the community

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of the choice.
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» All right. Next up, Nicole B.

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Hi everyone. I'm Nicole Bach. Uh I'm a
businesswoman uh locally here. Uh an

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avid world traveler. Um and right now a
really proud mama because uh how often

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do you see a kid that age uh just
turning into adulthood decide to really

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care about his community and nation. So
I'm really proud of that. Um I've also

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been really happy to call Manhattan
home. Um, and it's just more recently

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that I woke up to turn left from my home
and find a whole lot of flop cameras

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outside of it, which frankly really
shocked me for the kind of community

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that we are. I was very surprised. Not
surprised, maybe some other places, but

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really surprised when it hit Manhattan.
So, I I'll keep this brief. Um, I have

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five main reasons I'm against mass
surveillance. Uh, and then I might

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digress just a tiny bit from there. One,
creating a database. We're creating a

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database that it's probably not even
constitutional to search. Two, it's mass

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interjurisdictional sharing of
information. Three, false

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identification. There's been a lot of
instances of it. Just because your car

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happens to be similar, make a model.
You're guilty now before you can be

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proven innocent. That's not the American
way. I think that's the Mexican

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government does it that way, right?
That's not the American way. Four,

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misuse is not hypothetical anymore.
We've had many instances of stalking,

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domestic abuse, uh, just recently in low
county like Phil said. And five, it's a

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really slippery slope. And that's
probably my biggest issue with it

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altogether is it's a very slippery
slope. So I said I was a world traveler.

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I've even lived in a communist country
before. So I'm just going to paint a

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picture and let us just think through
what we might be ready for. And I want

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us to start asking questions and really
think it through if we're ready for all

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this.
Are we ready for every road become a

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toll road? If it can take your license
plate, it can take a toll. So that 54%,

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you know, hike on the toll road, guess
what? that now can be on every street.

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Manhattan has a drone. Are we ready to
put those kind of cameras and that kind

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of technology and AI on drone systems?
Are we ready for that? Are we ready for

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guilt until proven innocence? Are we
ready for stalking, especially of women

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and children? How about retaliation for
political disscent or disagreement?

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Are we ready for for the environment
just like we were ready for for our

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health or for our safety? Those are the
slippery slope concerns that I have

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regarding a mass surveillance system.
Additionally, I have one last issue. We

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have said over and over, and that's why
my family has been so supportive of this

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administration, is that we don't want
Springfield involved in our Manhattan

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government. We want independence. We
don't want Springfield to tell us what

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to do. We don't want Will County to tell
us what to do. We certainly don't want

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our governor to tell us what to do. We
don't want Chicago telling us what to

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do. We want to be independent. But yet
we were so quick to take free checks and

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cameras from the state attorney. We were
so quick to align oursel with Will

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County. And to me that's double speak.
And I'm it's a misalignment in terms of

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what we said we and who we said we
wanted to be and what we're actually

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doing. Thanks for your time.
>> Thank you.

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» Gillum. Is that pronounced right?
>> Sounds good.

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Bart Gilliam is my name and I can't
believe that I'm doing this. When I left

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my previous job retired, I said I am
never standing in front of the board

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again. And here I am standing before a
board. But the reason I'm here today is

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a not really a local issue. If I had a
local issue, I've brought in local

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issues up to Mr. Tikeke before and
they've been addressed immediately.

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However, I'm uh very concerned about a
situation that I ran into yesterday or

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yeah, it was yesterday. Last evening, I
saw a woman trip and fall in the

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intersection right here by the bank. She
fell in a pothole

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uh right in the right in the crosswalk.
And I know that the board has

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connections with obviously I do DOT
because of all the new signage and the

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the safety things they put in place
already. I know the board has

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connections with ID do and to put cold
patch in that little hole that's there.

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They've done it before, but it comes
right back out again. And it's to me um

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um it's a safety hazard for sure that
could be immediately addressed rather

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than waiting to talk about it at a a
strategic planning meeting, which I

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understand there's some going to be
coming up. Unfortunately, I don't think

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I can make those meetings. So there were
just a couple of things I wanted to

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bring up that could put into people's
mind when those meetings occur. And

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number two thing that I had and the I
mean you you can't miss the hole when

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you every time you make a right-hand
turn off of 52 onto Foxford, you thunk

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your back tire. So it it's there. So, if
they can get some some cold patch or not

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cold patch, I'm sorry, hot mix asphalt
with some type B primer on it, maybe

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make that suggestion to your contacts at
IDOT. That cold patch isn't going to

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stay there. It's going to become a
hazard right over again. So, if maybe we

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can get that fixed. And then just I one
thing that I want to say when those

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strategic meetings come up,
I would like the village to consider

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looking at the hot spot. When you go
down by the bridge by Siko here, every

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time I go down there and I see kids
crossing that bridge, it's like a

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glowing hot spot. It's something's going
to happen there.

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We're we're funneling people down the
sidewalk to a trip hazard right on the

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bridge and it's right on the pavement.
So, I've made a suggestion before that

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maybe there's a park grant, an ADA grant
available where we can put a pedestrian

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foot bridge
before that goes over the creek and

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redirect them away from the roadway.
Maybe I do has a bridge inspection

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report that's not good and they need to
redo the bridge. Maybe we can make it

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safer then. But maybe look at a grant
through a ADA or something because it's

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you can't get a wheelchair obviously
over there. Uh I've seen mothers with

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wagons that have difficult time getting
through there. So please take a look or

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consider looking at a pedestrian foot
bridge. You've seen them. They have

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them. They're all over the place.
They're metal bridges with wood decking

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and they're sloped for handicap. So
maybe there's a way we can redirect that

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sidewalk. Put a bridge over there. And
because I think the village may own that

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property on the other side of Ziko
across the street, there's an empty lot.

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Maybe they own that there. Maybe we can
make that really safe over there.

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Um, other than that, maybe a buffer
along 52 here by the the McDonald's and

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stuff. But hey, thanks for your time. I
appreciate all you what you're doing and

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hopefully we can get something going on
that. I don't know why I came up here.

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Somebody pushed me up here. So,
>> thanks.

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» Thanks for listening.
>> Thank you for coming. Thank you,

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» Nancy Honeyut.

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[clears throat]

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Good evening. I'm Nancy Honeyut. I've um
live in Century East. I've been a

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resident, a happy resident of Manhattan
for 37 years. Um I just want to talk to

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you a little bit about the changes in
our water bill that went through this

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year. Um we got our water bill this past
this past month and my bill was $651.

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Now, I always know in June, June, July,
and August, we occasionally have to fill

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our pool. Um, and we have a sprinkling
system and we water our garden, and we

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do that every other day. So, I always
have had higher bills in June, July, and

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August, but couldn't understand how it
could be $300 more than our last year's

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bill. So, when I looked at our bills, I
realized that there were two two price

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hikes that um were incurred this year.
Um that put our water alone up over 30%

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of what it was last year and the sewer
is up almost 6%. But that probably

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wasn't the biggest impact. With with
that alone, it brought us from $12.58

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per thousand gallons of water to almost
$15 per per um thousand gallons. I

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looked into changes in the sewer. Well,
last year I and you're very well aware

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because you changed the uh the
guidelines here um there was a cap at

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10,000 gallons um of water for sewage.
So if you watered your grass or you

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filled your pool, you weren't getting
charged sewer because it's obvious th

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that water does not end up in the sewer.
But I guess in in earlier this year, the

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board made a ch a change to get rid of
that cap for June, July, and August. And

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so people like me who like to maintain a
nice yard and have to and like to garden

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will end up paying $600 over $600 um a
month for my water bill. Um I'm retired.

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One of my hobbies is gardening. I love
gardening. We love keeping a nice lawn.

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Um but I think this is a burden to
anybody who wants to do that. Um, the

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village has had multiple [clears throat]
enormous projects from the beautiful

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junior high to the um the huge fire
station and the the pumping station

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that's just down the block from me that
went in that's enormous. Um, and these

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are all aesthetically beautiful,
but as a resident, I'm being prevented

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from beautifying my own property because
I'm paying so much for water that isn't

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even going into the sewer. I actually
feel that that's a little bit illegal

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because, you know, as my husband and I,
we are the only ones living in our

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house, okay?
There's no way that we use between 35

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and 39,000 gallons of water to maintain
our bodies and clean our home. And my

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normal bills are um I are like around
6,000 gallons of water. So all of this

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is going into our yard. So why when it's
obvious that this this water is not

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going to the sewer, we're paying we're
paying for the uh for all of that water

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in our sewage. it it doesn't make any
sense. There there are also options. I

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don't understand why the cap was taken
off June, July, and August. Uh are we

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having to fund other things within the
village by by raising that? Because

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that's the that's all where all of our
money is going. Um, there's two options

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to to I would like you to consider
either putting the cap back on just for

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June, July, and August or or letting
people install deduct um meters. Now,

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» okay. So, um that's at the three
minutes, but if you if you want to

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finish up and then we're certainly glad
to uh you know, work with you on this

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after the meeting or
>> Okay. Um that that is my ask. Um, if you

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would consider the the deduct meters,
um, I have the policy that New Linux

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has. You know, the village will supply
it. You pay the $300 for it and install

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it because
personally, my water bill would pay for

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that deduct meter in one month. And I
think it's not right that we aren't

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allowed to to um, water our lawns. We
want a beautiful community, but we don't

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want you don't want us to be able to
afford to make it beautiful.

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Thank you.

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[clears throat]
>> All right.

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» All right. So, first item on the agenda
is a consent agenda. It consists of

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August 18th, 2026 village board meeting
minutes. Uh approval of September 1st,

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2026 bills list. If anyone would like
any of these items pulled from the

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agenda for further discussion. If not,
looking for a motion to approve. Consent

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agenda.
Motion.

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Second
>> roll call, please.

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» Yes.
>> Young,

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» yes.
>> Staling,

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» yes.
>> Neighbor,

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» yes.
>> Bone,

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» yes.
>> Doyle.

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» Okay, motion carries. Uh, next item is
under new business, a resolution

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approving a final plat of subdivision
for Oakidge subdivision phase 2. Uh this

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is the Prairie Trails development
proposing um the subdividing to 12.76

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acres uh just south of Ranch Oaks for 16
residential lots. Um all lots

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[clears throat] meet the village's
minimum requirements. Uh drainage and

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detention will be utilized by the
existing Prairie Trail Ponds uh with

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additional drainage uh along Arabian
Trail, Arabian Avenue. The planning and

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zoning commission unanimously
recommended this uh previously so they

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approved it. So, if anyone has any
further discussions,

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uh, you know, would like to discuss it
further. If not, looking for a motion to

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approve a resolution for a final plan of
subdivision for Oakidge subdivision

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phase 2.
>> Motion.

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» Second. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Roll call, please.

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» M,
>> yes.

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» Dyl, [clears throat]
>> yes.

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» Neighbors,
>> yes.

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» Boom.
>> Yes.

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» Doyle.
>> Bina,

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» yes.
Okay, motion carries.

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[clears throat]

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[clears throat]

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» Sorry, I just want to make sure I don't
have to read a bunch of numbers. Um, so

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this next item is a resolution objecting
to special use permits for certain

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property located unincorporated county
within one and a half miles of our

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corporate boundaries. Uh, 15520 West
Baker Road. Uh the village is uh

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proposing that we formally object to the
county special use permit for 51 acre

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solar farm with battery storage at the
northeast, I'm sorry, the northwest

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corner of Baker and Eastern uh with site
access from Eastern Avenue. A public

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hearing is scheduled for September 15th
before the Ro County Planning and Zoning

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Commission. The proposed development
does not align with our comprehensive

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plan uh which identifies the property
for future residential use. Uh the

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village also believes the solar farm
would disrupt the natural progression of

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development in the area. The other thing
is the township uh voted to object to it

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as well yet last night and they had some
concerns that the development never

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spoke with Will County Forest Preserve.
That's Jackson Creek there and uh with

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the battery storage concern and the the
trail is over there. So um they did the

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development company did drop off some
information for everyone this afternoon.

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So we just printed it out. Um, but
anyone have anything to say or discuss?

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» Motion.
>> Okay, we have a motion to approve a res

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resolution objecting the special use
permits for certain property located in

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corporate Wil County and within 1 and a
half miles of the corporate boundaries

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of the village of Manhattan. That's
15520 West Baker Road.

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Second.
>> Okay. Roll call.

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» Dylan.
>> Neighbors.

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» Yes. Boom.
>> Yes.

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» Doyle. [clears throat]
>> Behind.

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» Yes. Young.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Motion carries. Uh, next item on
the agenda has to do with our sanitary

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sewer. So, resolution authorizing a
design engineering for cleaning and

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televising of sanitary sewer which has
to be done in Centry East. uh public

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works is uh requesting approval to
proceed with Robinson Engineering to

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investigate excessive sanitary sewer
flows from Centry East system that occur

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during significant rain events and
constrain our or exceed our system

419
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:37,360
capacity. So the inflow and infiltration
it's also known as INI um are believed

420
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:41,120
to be contributing factor. Uh we
existing flow meters are collecting data

421
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:47,279
during various weather and seasonal
conditions. Um, so Robinson Engineering

422
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:50,799
would provide uh $12,300 in design
engineering services for the sanitary

423
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:56,159
sewer uh cleaning and televising,
allowing the village to inspect the

424
00:32:52,720 --> 00:33:00,799
system. Uh, the work was not included in
this year's budget, the fiscal 2027

425
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:04,720
budget, but staff would consider it an
important investment. Uh, it's

426
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:09,919
approximately $100,000 for sewer
cleaning, televising, and 12,000 for

427
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:13,760
construction observation and data
review. That'll be for the fiscal year

428
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,880
2028. So, right now, we're just looking
for a motion to get the engineering

429
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:23,840
started. Um, that is a cost of $12,300
from Robinson Engineering for the

430
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:28,399
Century East subdivision. Motion
>> second.

431
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,320
» All right. Any more questions? Uh, roll
call, please.

432
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760
» Neighbors,
>> yes.

433
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,919
» Boom.
>> Yes.

434
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,440
» Doyle.
>> Beina,

435
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,559
» yes.
>> Young,

436
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,480
» yes.
>> Dylan,

437
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,360
» yes.
>> Okay, motion carries. Uh next item is uh

438
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:48,799
the flock camera discussion. So uh
previously you know the board did act on

439
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:53,840
uh installing the the [clears throat]
flock cameras license plate readers also

440
00:33:50,799 --> 00:34:00,240
known as ALPR. Uh we did receive a grant
from the state's attorney as we did for

441
00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:06,000
our K9 officer. Um and that's I think it
was 2024. Um so some of the existing uh

442
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:10,879
contracts are now coming up for renewal.
So prior to placing the renewals on a

443
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:14,320
future agenda for formal action, I just
believe it's appropriate, you know, to

444
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:18,399
have a discussion regarding the current
program and um you know its

445
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:23,040
effectiveness, associated costs, whether
the village wishes to continue with the

446
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:26,800
existing contracts. Um the discussion
will allow the board to review current

447
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,240
program and provide uh direction before
any renewal agreements are brought

448
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:34,720
forward as an agenda item for
consideration. So, I just thought it

449
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,919
sounded like there was some um major
concerns about these and we've been

450
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,520
seeing a lot of stuff in the news. So, I
just thought it was appropriate to have

451
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:47,679
an open discussion. Uh would anyone else
from the public like to say something

452
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:53,280
first or you know, anyone else have any
concerns? Um

453
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:58,640
I I know. Go ahead.
>> What exactly is uh I mean people talking

454
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:03,119
about you know you seeing everything
going on. Are they basically plate

455
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,079
readers or what? What? What is
>> Yes. Did you want to give the technical

456
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,320
answer? It's a it's a plate reader is
still shots.

457
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,200
» So, yeah, it it's all about how you
define input. Flock defines it as a

458
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,920
license plate reader [clears throat]
that captures the fingerprint of the

459
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,800
vehicle. Now, the fingerprint of the
vehicle can be more than it was in 2022

460
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,880
when we signed onto this contract. Um,
it can be the uh a sticker, it can be a

461
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,839
roof rack, it can be something like
that. It is a uh it's a photograph

462
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:30,640
image, not a 247 recording like a red
light camera. uh something similar to

463
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:35,520
what the tollway would use or something
like that.

464
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:39,839
» Okay. Now, what uh what happens to the
information that's being gathered?

465
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:43,280
» Great question. Um
>> yeah, so the information is owned by the

466
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,920
village of Manhattan that we pay for. Uh
we do um as the gentleman lady mentioned

467
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,280
earlier, we do share data with other
towns. We don't uh actually I had the

468
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,599
report come this morning. I could be
factual with you guys here. Give me one

469
00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:03,680
moment. We share uh this information
with 431 Illinois municipalities. Um but

470
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,920
due to recent um misuse of the program,
you know what I mean? I have a lot of

471
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,359
questions about how many people and who
exactly that should be shared with and

472
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:14,240
how, you know what I mean? Uh the
problem is there's no guardrail at the

473
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:19,119
uh state level as to how these cameras
should or should not be used, right? Um

474
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:23,359
it's become a huge beast since 2022 when
the prior chief signed onto this

475
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,040
contract. Um, but the answer to your
question is we own all the data. Now,

476
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,359
was there data breaches there and stuff
like that? Sure. You know what I mean?

477
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,320
Uh,
>> now is there a certain amount of time

478
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,240
you keep it for?
>> So, currently, um, I'm I've been

479
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,760
attempting to get over our new, uh, we
just got a new flock representative.

480
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:43,839
Currently, ours is 30. My intention is
to speak that over with the village

481
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:48,000
board, uh, with legal and with flock.
Um, I don't have the power to turn it

482
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:52,800
down to seven. It has to be done from
the back of a computer, right? Um,

483
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,320
they're offering seven days now. So, if
you sign on a flock today, you only get

484
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,359
a seven-day retention period. Right now,
we're at a 30, but I do intend on making

485
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,359
some changes to that if this is
something that we keep.

486
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,680
» So, there was a question someone asked
that we have 15. I think there's only

487
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839
four, right?
>> So, no. Uh, so

488
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,839
» the area.
>> Yeah. I forget your name. What's your

489
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,920
name, sir?
>> Kovi.

490
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,640
» Kovi. Cody. Kobe.
>> Kobe.

491
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,920
» Kovi. He's correct. So, uh, on the
transparency portal, it says 15 and he

492
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,119
and he's correct. It does say that
actively we only have eight up there.

493
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,960
The reason it says 15 is because we have
a portable one that sits in our evidence

494
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,000
and has quite a bit of dust on it. Um,
and we have a flock trailer for large

495
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,880
scale events. You might have seen it at
the Irishfest. Um, and that's that's a

496
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,480
trailer that is a uh it's a it's a
mobile security camera for large scale

497
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,320
events and that was funded through the
Will County opioid program. And that's

498
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,640
just for uh crowd protection. That's not
a license plate reader or anything like

499
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:48,320
that. But that is by Flock. And uh just
in this conversation, ultimately the

500
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,000
decision lies within the village board.
Um I have not even brought that trailer

501
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,880
forward to the village board because
that's $25,000 and I would never

502
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,240
recommend the village waste their money
on something like that. Um so that's not

503
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,760
even coming up for renewal in the
conversation with the with the flock

504
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,200
cameras. Um so that's why it says
there's there's quite a bit of cameras

505
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,200
on that trailer and that's why it says
15.

506
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:15,200
» I've got two questions.
There was a discussion online on

507
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:18,320
Manhattan about flock cameras and
somebody mentioned that they do heat

508
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,359
tracking.
>> Do you know what that is?

509
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:24,640
» So Manhattan doesn't have that. They
when they first came out they had where

510
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:29,599
you can heat track like if a car hit by
you say it hits a 100 times, right? Um

511
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,320
it would be red like as if uh I don't
know what the firefighters call it, like

512
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,680
a heat gun. Um
>> like it came in multiple times.

513
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:39,839
» Yeah. Like it would be it would say okay
this car traveled that this area

514
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,400
multiple times, right? Um, and Flock had
previously told somebody that that

515
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,160
wasn't true. Well, that was a lie,
right? Um, but it did it did have that,

516
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,480
but we don't have that capability in
Manhattan.

517
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:55,119
» And have has this has this assisted you
in any arrests of any kind?

518
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680
» Uh, so yeah. So, like like I told, you
know, I did have the opportunity to meet

519
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,920
with uh Philip
>> Philip

520
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,520
» privately uh and and talk to him about
this and this is very public data. Um,

521
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,359
you have to consider the cost of benefit
of this, you know, and the cost of uh

522
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,160
the substantial amount of misuse going
on. There's no doubt in my mind that

523
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:14,160
there's going to be more misuse stories
coming out in the near future. Um I as

524
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,400
much as I don't like paying my mortgage,
I would bet my mortgage on it, right? Um

525
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,200
but in Manhattan alone, uh the stories
that we could speak to is it's helped us

526
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,359
solve a burglary, a criminal sexual
abuse, financial exploitation of an

527
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:29,200
elderly subject, criminal damage to
property, a hit-and-run accident,

528
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:34,160
aggravated battery, identity theft,
burglary to an ATM, a theft, and a

529
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,160
reckless discharge of a firearm. Um and
and with that reckless discharge of a

530
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:44,079
firearm, it had that particular firearm
has been linked to eight other crimes.

531
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Um and uh so but you got to remember
with that reckless discharge of a

532
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,400
firearm, we got that data off of a Ring
doorbell camera, right? And if you guys

533
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,440
remember last Super Bowl Ring doorbell
camera told us, hey, we're using your

534
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,040
data to relo relocate dogs to their
owners, right? None of us had a clue

535
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,480
that was going on. So AI is a beast that
none of us have a clue what it is, what

536
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,800
it truly is. You know, if you told me in
2022 that this block was going to look

537
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,880
like this, I'd have said, "You're
lying." Um, but we got to make sure

538
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,200
that, you know, there's guard rails
within the state legislative level or

539
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,400
federal, whoever, that hold, uh,
everybody accountable outside of our

540
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:18,320
policy. You know, there's got to be laws
to hold, I mean, we enforce laws, right?

541
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Laws,
there are guidelines to our trainings.

542
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,720
There are guidelines to how we operate,
right? But at the state level right now,

543
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,680
there's nothing besides an official
misconduct to somebody abuse it. I think

544
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:31,599
every cop who abuses it needs to go to
jail. Um, that's just my personal

545
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,680
opinion, but I I think that's a huge
abuse of public trust. You know what I

546
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,640
mean? And
>> so this doesn't help you with traffic

547
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,680
violations.
>> No.

548
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,240
» No. Um, so I was talking to another
gentleman and he's not here tonight. I

549
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:49,119
thought he would be. So, uh, flock alone
should not be considered probable cause.

550
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:53,200
And cops are are in my opinion, right?
As I said here as your chief, cops are

551
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,560
are getting it wrong. Okay? We don't
always get it right. Sometimes we get it

552
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,160
wrong. When a cop pulls somebody over
based off a flock hit, should never

553
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,680
happen. Should never happen. Why should
it never happen? Because flock isn't

554
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,000
probable cause. You have to gain, you
get a picture of the license plate,

555
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,920
right? It says that that's a stolen
vehicle. You should go into the state

556
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:13,760
database and which is called leads and
determine that vehicle is in fact

557
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:17,359
stolen. That's your probable cause, not
a system that doesn't have it says it's

558
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,960
it, right? It says that it's a stolen
vehicle, but maybe someone didn't take

559
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,839
it out. Maybe you never know what
happened, right? you need to go to a

560
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,599
state database system that's regulated
by the state, governed by the state, you

561
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:31,520
know, which 22 years ago, a lot of
police went to jail and got arrested for

562
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,440
abusing this system, you know, um, and
you need to confirm that vehicle is in

563
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,760
fact stolen, you know. So, uh, I'm not a
fan of police who have made their

564
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:43,200
probable cause off of uh, just the flock
hit alone. It's a it's a tool. Okay? I

565
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,760
think in police work, there's been three
substantial tools. Um, and and and I'll

566
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,200
be clear, I don't 100% agree with Flock.
I'll be honest with you, and I'll put

567
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:55,680
that on the record, okay? Uh but three
three substantial tools uh and and

568
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,800
that's been fingerprints, DNA evidence,
and flock cameras have helped us solve

569
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,319
crimes. Now, will we solve crimes if
Flock is gone? Certainly, we will. Can I

570
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,520
guarantee you we'll have the success
rate that Flock cameras have brought us?

571
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:07,599
No. But I don't know what tomorrow
holds. You know what I mean? I can tell

572
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,839
you we're going to try as hard as we've
ever tried whether we got Flock cameras

573
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,720
or not. Um but it has substantially
helped solve crimes. I mean, there's a

574
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,359
town around here that when Flock cameras
involved has a 70% closure rate, you

575
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,400
know what I mean? But is it is it
violating people's privacy? Is it is it

576
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,079
too invasive? Is it you know I've heard
facial recognition well at the state

577
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,960
level fa facial recognition is illegal
if somebody using flock to do that which

578
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:34,400
it can't. Uh right now it can't. Uh I'm
sure you can flip some chip or I'm not a

579
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,440
technological guy. Couldn't tell you how
to fix a computer. But uh I'm sure

580
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,040
there's some chip in there that will
tell you hey like we can get fake facial

581
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:44,160
recognition. You know we have the Dreams
Act that we have to follow and and all

582
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,119
these different rules about immigrations
and reproductive rights and stuff like

583
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,480
that. I can tell you right here, you
know, we the board, we intend on hiring

584
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,680
all the best candidates who don't do
this stuff, but there's bad doctors,

585
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:56,560
there's bad lawyers, there's bad cops,
there's bad everything, you know what I

586
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,319
mean? I can't guarant I I think I can
guarantee it. You know, I would be one

587
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,359
highly upset police chief if one of my
cops abuses, but I would I would say

588
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,760
they need to be fired and arrested. You
know what I mean? But um you know, since

589
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:11,599
this conversation is going, I think it's
the most appropriate thing. And and like

590
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:17,440
I said, I I don't 100% agree with Flack,
but I think there's other ALPRs that are

591
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,960
uh way more invasive than FLAC cameras.
And I do worry what the future of AI and

592
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,720
technology holds with this stuff because
I know what it can do right now. Um the

593
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,800
board could tell me tomorrow I'm a
terrible chief and you might have a new

594
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,400
guy in charge of this that thinks
something else. You know what I mean? Um

595
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,119
hopefully it's not the case, but you
know that that's that's the reality. You

596
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,079
know, it's all about who's in control.
And you know, when I was talking to the

597
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,480
Philip back there, you know, he says
it's not I'm not worried about, you

598
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:41,680
know, Manhattan police. I think you guys
are doing your job well, but what about

599
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,720
this? What about that? And I agree with
that. You know what I mean? I can't tell

600
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,839
you, you know, I I hope I can retire
sooner than later. And uh but I can't

601
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,640
tell you what the next guy's going to do
with flat cameras or if he's going to

602
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:54,240
install more, if he's going to do that.
You know, I can say that in 2022, the

603
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:59,280
board approved these. We signed on it
with a grant from a some vendor and the

604
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,839
state's attorney and then the Will
County Opiate uh grant paid for the

605
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,280
other cameras that are up for renewals
now. You know what I mean? Um,

606
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,119
it has its advantages and disadvantages.
It really does. But I do I I totally

607
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,160
hear people and I know it's not the
popular opinion of a chief to say. I do

608
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,720
hear people when they talk about Fourth
Amendment violations and stuff like

609
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:22,319
that. I wish that this case was pulled
to the Supreme Court right now. Um, and

610
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,160
and they could end this once and for
all. You know,

611
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,319
» that's what keeps changing. Like, you
know, when we decided to install these,

612
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:32,000
it was many years ago. We support the
police. We, you know, as a board, we've

613
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,839
tried to give them all the tools that
they could use to keep the town safe. I

614
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,200
mean, everyone says it's a safe town.
Don't worry about anything. But I I do

615
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,960
think, you know, the Canine was a good
addition. Uh we do have a drone. You

616
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,560
know, I think those are just good
additions to help them. We have truck

617
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,839
scales that are portable. These are all
things that help support our police

618
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:52,960
department. But now there is some
concerns and that's why I think it's

619
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,680
fair that we brought it to an open
discussion and then, you know, we're

620
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,680
doing a lot of research. A lot of new
information is coming out daily. It it

621
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:04,160
literally is daily coming out. So
>> it is. And mayor just to add to that. So

622
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:08,000
today, you know, flock is a daily I
probably spend two, three days a day,

623
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,000
hours a day dealing flock cameras alone.
Um, crime has, you know, since since

624
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:16,240
this has become a Manhattan issue, we've
had uh three cameras damaged. Now,

625
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,359
that's uh over $2,000 that the village
is going to have to spend to fix it if

626
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,800
we decide that's the route we want to
go. You know what I mean? Um but just

627
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:27,040
today alone, New Jersey Privacy
Protection Act and Connecticut

628
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:32,079
Connecticut's public act 2614 was passed
which basically uh with ALPRs is um

629
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:39,400
effective October 1st their particular
ALPRs only Connecticut, New York, Rhode

630
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,400
Island and I can't say Massachusetts.

631
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,400
So Illinois won't have any rights to
that. So what do they what are they

632
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,440
thinking that we're not hearing over
here? You know what I mean? So, should

633
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,599
we not be sharing our data with anybody
but Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, you know

634
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:59,440
what I mean? Um, I made the decision
personally uh when I took when I when I

635
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,480
took this on and and really started
digging into the flock that we are only

636
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:08,960
going to share Manhattan only shares
with um instate with instate jurisd

637
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:13,119
municipalities, right? Um, but I'm no
stranger to the fact and I'll publicly

638
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:17,839
say that, you know, West Chicago, uh,
Shanahan, Will County,

639
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:21,920
um, and I'm sure there's more to come,
but you know, they they've had, uh,

640
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:26,000
users abuse the system, right? So, the
question becomes, well, we share data

641
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,359
with them, right? So, is that is our
data being abused now? So, there's I I

642
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,440
have so many questions and so many
things that I'm still trying to learn

643
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,680
and find out, but it's uh, you know,
this that's why I appreciate this open

644
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,280
discussion.
>> Yes.

645
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,000
» You know what I mean?
Yeah, you mentioned the this

646
00:46:38,847 --> 00:46:45,119
[clears throat] is where I think there's
a lot of confusion. Um I'm new to this

647
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,040
whole thing. My son should be here. You
know, he's the one telling me flock

648
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,480
this, flock that. I'm like, I want to
go. I'm just going to listen to

649
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:55,839
everything. But you tal you you
mentioned something and I'm not debating

650
00:46:53,839 --> 00:47:00,800
what you're saying or or picking apart
your stance, but this is where I think a

651
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:04,560
lot of the confusion is. It's our data.
That's what was quoted. Yes.

652
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,920
» Yet we share it. It's it's
contradictive. Right. Right. It's our

653
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,359
data yet we share it,
>> right?

654
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,720
» So, we're going to share it with
>> I think that was because people have

655
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,800
said a private company owns the data,
>> right? But let me Yeah.

656
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,319
» Well, that's that's still up for debate,
Mike. You know, we don't we don't they

657
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,880
say they don't own the data. We don't
know that. There's obvious that's that's

658
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:30,000
and again this was made three four years
ago, but it doesn't sound like a lot of

659
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:34,319
due diligence was done and and looking
and a lot has changed as your chief as

660
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:38,560
you mentioned uh technology, AI,
everything else. That's no excuse for

661
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,800
that's that's not a good enough reason
though for um what everyone has

662
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,440
expressed and everyone outside inside
the community has expressed against

663
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,119
these cameras, right? Or and we have to
look at that the cost versus the

664
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,359
advantages versus disadvantages.
Absolutely.

665
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:58,000
» Um and take everything into account. But
you you also mentioned, you know, you

666
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:03,280
decided, and I'm not, again, this is not
criticizing your your choice when I say

667
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:08,480
this, that you decided to share with uh
this jurisdiction or that, but what

668
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:11,680
makes you stop there? Why or you know
what I mean? Like what's the difference

669
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:15,119
if you said, you know what, we're going
to share with Indiana, not Wisconsin.

670
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,160
That's where I think another
>> So, I could answer for that real quick

671
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:21,040
if you want. I don't enforce Indiana or
Wisconsin laws. I don't know what they

672
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,760
are. I know what Illinois law is, and
that's why I made that decision.

673
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,480
» Yeah. And again, it's not about your
decision. It's it's more of

674
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:32,160
» back to the sharing of data.
>> Why is New Jersey sharing with three

675
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:37,680
states, but they're not sharing with all
states? Like if this is a if this is

676
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:41,440
truly a crime fighting tool,
you would think like fraud, for example,

677
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,880
everyone would be on board with fighting
fraud. You would think it would be the

678
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:49,200
same thing with this where everyone
would want to share the data across all

679
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,800
50 states, right? If you got a criminal
leaving the state that just committed a

680
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:57,119
rape or something else, why wouldn't
that information want to be shared with

681
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:01,200
every other state surrounding our
border, right? Illinois, Wisconsin.

682
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:06,160
That's where I think a lot of the back
to the questions that the public has and

683
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,319
you've already admitted and I think the
board has admitted and everyone else

684
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:14,960
like that we have all of us in general
about it. It's it everything that comes

685
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,319
out of it the good there's something
else that contradicts

686
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:24,319
the the positive of it. Right. So,
>> right. And I don't you know I think just

687
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:29,040
to add to your question you know again
I'm no attorney. I don't aspire to be

688
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,559
one. Um, but you know, the reason we
don't share our data with all 50 states

689
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:37,440
is because other states allow them to be
used against reproductive rights or um,

690
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,559
you know, they they allow facial
recognition or they allow stuff that

691
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:45,280
Illinois attorney general has advised
us. Absolutely not. You know what I

692
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,559
mean? Like, you know, I I read the story
and again, this is all just reading

693
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:51,760
stories. You know, I don't I don't know
hard facts, but you know, they tracked

694
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,520
somebody from Wisconsin to Michigan or
something like that and they were

695
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,880
dealing drugs or something like that,
right? like

696
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,640
that's not what that system's intended
to do. You know what I mean? Um and I

697
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,040
think that I I have questions about that
practice with the thing.

698
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,000
» Back to the data sharing.
>> Yeah.

699
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:12,559
» Just let's make this up. I drive through
my car. What data right I drive north on

700
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:16,240
53, leave town. What data points did you
just get from my vehicle that's being

701
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,920
shared with New Linux, for example?
>> Just your license plate.

702
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,480
» That's it.
>> That's it. Well, and the fingerprint of

703
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,000
your vehicle, right?
>> Well, no. Well, that's different now.

704
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,640
That's so that's where I think the
>> the challenge is. It's not just

705
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,400
» just trying to be transparent. Yeah.
>> Right. It's not just the license plate

706
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:34,319
though. So we can't say that anymore,
>> right? That's where the distrust is

707
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:37,599
coming, Chief. Like from
>> not myself, but I just know it from

708
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:42,160
young
>> and I want to say younger generations,

709
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:46,640
but it is like they're the younger kids
feel this way. You know, they feel

710
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,559
» and good for them that they're that
they're taking a stance on things that

711
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:53,200
they feel. If it's this, I hope it's
something else next next time that

712
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:58,000
they're
>> right. That's what we want uh our youth

713
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:01,359
to be involved and take part. But that's
a perfect example right there when when

714
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:04,240
we just asked a simple qu I asked a
simple question and it wasn't probably

715
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,520
wasn't intentional, but you said license
plate. Then you said backed up actually

716
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:11,839
it's a fingerprint. So what part of that
finger like tell me more. How can I get

717
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:16,160
a print out of exactly what's shared?
You know, that's all the things that

718
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:19,920
it doesn't stop there. And I think
that's the big concern, right?

719
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,640
» Yeah. And I don't think I mean unless
you could prove me wrong. I just don't

720
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,200
know, right? I don't think there's a
camera out there that will take a

721
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:31,280
picture of just the license plate,
right? So I think every ALPR, Tollway,

722
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:34,559
Flock, Axon, Motorola, whoever it is. I
think they all get the fingerprint of

723
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,559
the vehicle, right? So, uh, it's not a
matter of tripping up on words and

724
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:41,839
nothing like that, but that's what shows
up in the photo.

725
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,680
» Can I can I jump in here?
>> Yeah. So

726
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:50,319
[clears throat] part of part of my
concern with this is not so much the

727
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:55,440
photos themselves. I think we all agree
that a license plate is specifically put

728
00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:01,280
there to tag a vehicle so we know what
it is. The biggest problem with this is

729
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:06,960
actually the data itself. We're using AI
to quantify or to quantify whether or

730
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:11,760
not where somebody has been when they've
been there. And I I know we can say well

731
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:15,040
the the data is only stored for so long.
There's nothing stopping somebody from

732
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:19,280
taking that data and storing it
somewhere else and saying we deleted the

733
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,440
data. There's you can put it on a
different server. You can put it you can

734
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:27,359
share it a different way. And even if we
say we're going to shut it down here,

735
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:33,119
but we leave the cameras up, there's
nothing stopping another agency from

736
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,520
saying I want to purchase the data from
you. It I can't get it legally my way.

737
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,119
I'll just purchase this from you. And it
just becomes a back door for the same

738
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:46,160
kind of information. And that's kind of
the problem for me as I look at this.

739
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,960
The Supreme Court did rule on tracking
devices on a vehicle. When we put a

740
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:55,599
vehicle,
you have to get a warrant to do it.

741
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,359
This has the ability to do the exact
same thing just with photo. We're just

742
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,880
saying you went past that camera, that
camera, that camera, that camera. I know

743
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,200
where you went and I can go back and
look and see where you went. which

744
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:12,480
eventually becomes you can put together
an argument for where I go to church,

745
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:18,559
what doctor's office I go to, where I've
been, what businesses I go to, what gun

746
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:23,920
range I like to go to. You you name it.
The amount of ability for there to be

747
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:28,800
invasiveness with this technology is
massive. And I would be the first to

748
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:33,440
agree it's a powerful tool for getting
people or, you know, that have committed

749
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:37,119
a crime.
But

750
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:41,280
our principles have been laid out very
clearly in our in our governance that

751
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:45,520
there's only so far the government's
allowed to go.

752
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,319
And with the data being the biggest
problem see everybody wants to make it

753
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,800
about the camera. It's not about the
camera. It's about the data. It's about

754
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,880
the collective of the data. So when I go
through a toll booth, there's only so

755
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:02,000
many toll booths I go through and the
worst you can say is I went to Chicago,

756
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:07,040
right? This is something far beyond
that. It can say, "Hey, I went down to

757
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:10,400
my ranch in Missouri. How long I was
down there, when I came back, how long

758
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,280
it took for me to get back
>> that I'm not home."

759
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:17,599
» That I'm not home. So, let's say I want
to do an investigation on this guy. I'll

760
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:23,520
wait till he's in not in town and now I
can go investigate. It opens doors for

761
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:29,119
things that are just unimaginable. And
that's just the technology now. If the

762
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:33,680
infrastructure is there, it can be used
far beyond that later. And it just takes

763
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:37,280
somebody to say, "I'm willing to pull
that switch."

764
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:42,000
That's the problem.
>> I I I I

765
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,319
don't want to guarantee. I mean, I don't
know. But I would bet my mortgage as

766
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:51,119
well, Chief, that we might be only
getting you might us Manhattan might be

767
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:56,079
only getting the license plate or the
the fingerprint of the vehicle, but all

768
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:58,880
the rest of the data inside that vehicle
and everything that goes with it is

769
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,680
somewhere.
>> It's somewhere.

770
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:05,119
» Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I get
>> it's not just not out. It's just not

771
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:07,599
non-existent,
>> right?

772
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,280
» As far as I'm confused at what you're
talking

773
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:13,520
» person who owns the all the data that
comes with that.

774
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:17,839
» So, no, that that'd be incorrect. Um,
for me to pull any data off of who owns

775
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:21,680
that vehicle, we have to then log into
our incar. Uh,

776
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,960
» you're saying that's them, not the
system itself.

777
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,000
» Right. Right.
>> Capability versus usage.

778
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,559
» Yeah.
>> Sure. I mean, so I I guess to answer, so

779
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,400
you have a two-prong question, right? So
if Flock gets actually if they get data,

780
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,599
which I hope they never do, to the state
database that tells us who owns which

781
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,319
car, right, based on running that
license plate, it would automatically

782
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:45,200
populate. Do I think that's possible
today? 100%. You know what I mean?

783
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:49,599
Luckily, today we have to go into the
state database and pull a license plate

784
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,480
up and see who owns it and all that. You
know what I mean? And and somebody

785
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:55,440
compared it to and I think he said it
best and he was against flock and I

786
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,000
think he had a good example. You have
the cop on the side of the road who's

787
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,520
running everybody's license plate who
passes, right? Perfectly legal. It's a

788
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,200
human doing it. A human cannot do it as
quick as AI can do it, right? We know

789
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:08,240
this. So that becomes the battle of the
flock cameras, right? Forever cops have

790
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:13,040
sit on the side road run license plate.
Oh, he's got an expired plate. Let me

791
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:17,920
pull him over. Right? Him or her. Um,
you know, but now AI is such a huge I

792
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,880
mean such a huge thing. We got we got I
mean if you talk about data, we got body

793
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,280
cameras, we got incar cameras. I mean,
I'm spending 20 $30,000 a year just on

794
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:28,799
data, you know, and and that's
statemanded data. Like, state makes us

795
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:32,000
wear body cameras. State state makes us
have dashboard cameras. State make us

796
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,400
have prisoner cameras in our car, you
know what I mean? So, you know, I was

797
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,599
told when I was young that, you know,
use less paper so we can conserve the

798
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,960
trees, but that idea is out of the box,
right? Um, because they're knocking them

799
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,799
down and put data warehouses, you know
what I mean? So, um, I can water this

800
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,520
all day, you know what I [clears throat]
mean? Um, but you guys have valid

801
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:50,720
points. I'm not, you know what I mean?
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. um

802
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:54,000
that's their choice to make at the end
of the day, right? I can just tell you

803
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:59,040
what it's done for us successfully. It's
been a substantial

804
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:03,680
tool in fighting crime. But um I I do
understand some of your concern, you

805
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:09,680
know, some of your concerns
>> in light of uh flock representatives

806
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:16,000
um outwardly not telling the complete
truth to other boards and police chiefs.

807
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:21,200
Do you support having this contract
renewed?

808
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,720
It's a great question. Um,
so I've never been lied to by Flock. Is

809
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,520
there
>> know

810
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:32,240
» that I know of, right? Um, I I try to do
my homework pretty well. Um, I I did see

811
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,880
the one story. Again, I'm I'm digging
pretty deep, trying to dig deep into

812
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:38,640
this quickly. You know, I'm getting
every angle. Um, I mean, obviously, like

813
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,920
I said, you know, it's my job as the
chief to try to give the officers the

814
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,520
best crime fighting tools they can have,
right? And and I've said earlier that,

815
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,520
you know, Flock cameras has helped us
solve these crimes. Now, uh, we are the

816
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,960
sixth safest community in the state of
Illinois. So, something's going right.

817
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,359
Am I saying that's to because of flock?
No, it's not. You know what I mean? Um,

818
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,839
we're still going to solve crime no
matter what. I told Phil like Philip,

819
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,880
whatever. I'm sorry. Either way. Okay. I
told Phil like, "No matter what, we're

820
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,520
going to solve crime. You can take my
flockers away. You can whatever. We're

821
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,000
going to solve crime. That's what we're
hired to do. And if we don't do it, then

822
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,680
we got a bigger problem."
>> Um, I I haven't read too much into the

823
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,119
abuse of flock. I haven't really gone
down the rabbit hole of flock lying to

824
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,559
the uh administrations. It's something
that I just started looking into. And

825
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,119
the first story I got was about the heat
map that was mentioned earlier. You know

826
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:25,680
what I mean? I mean, I'll tell you right
now, if somebody lies to me, um, yeah,

827
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:29,920
it's got to go. You know what I mean? If
they lie to me personally, it's got to

828
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:33,040
go. I mean, you know, uh, you know, in
the in the federal world, you lie to the

829
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:37,280
FBI, that's 5 years in jail. You know
what I mean? So, uh, on the local level,

830
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:39,599
I can't do that. But I I don't want, uh,
I don't want to do business with

831
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,960
somebody who's going to lie to us to try
to get money. I mean, if you think about

832
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,680
it, and this isn't factual, but think
about it. Flock cameras. If you look

833
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:50,559
just in the state of Illinois, and I'm
no mathematician, but um they make about

834
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,599
$21 million a year on Illinois flock
cameras alone. Now, that number could be

835
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:58,000
way off. It's not factual, but that's
just what I quickly looked at and and

836
00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:00,640
saw. So, uh they have all the reason to
better their business, right? And we

837
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,839
have all the reason to question it. The
problem is is that is the whatifs. You

838
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:09,760
know what I mean? And that the state has
no guard rail. I have a five-page

839
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,960
policy, right? But the state has not
implemented any guard rail that said you

840
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,559
have to do this, you have to do that.
Would I be in support of it? Sure, I

841
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:19,359
would. Right. But I still have a lot of
questions myself. You know what I mean?

842
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:23,280
Like what is the state like in the state
of Florida today, they got 30 days to

843
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:26,559
remove them from uh from public
roadways, right? And I think they're

844
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,119
going to be gone. You know, there's uh
Connecticut put something out today. New

845
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,720
York put out something today. I mean,
there's all kinds of things flying. Has

846
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,559
it helped me solve crime? Yes. Uh
absolutely. You know, um is is you got

847
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,799
to look at riskreward. But if the board
asked me right now, would I want to do

848
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:43,040
something like that? Sure, I would. You
know what I mean? But um you guys have

849
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:46,000
offered great ideas to
see what the community thinks. You know,

850
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:49,119
as many nos have I heard, I heard yes,
I've heard I don't know. I applaud you

851
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:51,599
guys for coming to the board meeting and
speaking up because a lot of people are

852
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:54,720
afraid to do that. You know what I mean?
But, uh, I don't want big brother

853
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,680
watching over me. I mean, I work for the
government. I know what they can do,

854
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:03,280
right? Um, but it's it's helped solve
crimes. You know, out of that list I

855
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,680
read, I can tell you factually at least
three of those would not have been

856
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,960
solved without flat cameras. You know
what I mean? Um,

857
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:12,400
» that's that's a that's
>> Yeah, that's a not other cameras. That

858
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,400
that's that's
>> in my opinion that is true.

859
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:18,160
» Speculation
>> that I could speculate but yeah in my

860
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,319
speculation that is true because
>> you can't you can't speculate and have

861
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,079
something true.
>> Okay. Well in my opinion that's true. In

862
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,480
my opinion it's true. And the reason I
say that is because we had no evidence

863
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,000
but the flat camera
>> and this is just like an informal

864
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,480
discussion. It's not accusing police
chief.

865
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:36,640
» Someone said and the reason I say that
here's the reason I say that. They said

866
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:40,400
it's a red Ford car, right? It ran a red
Ford car ran past it. We got the license

867
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,200
plate, went and talked to the people and
later obtained a confession, right?

868
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,319
That's why I could say that's why it
worked for us. You know what I mean?

869
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,280
That's why it's true to me. Um,
obviously not, you know, unless you

870
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:53,280
foyer stuff or unless it's public, not
under investigation information, you

871
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,559
wouldn't know that, right? But is flock
the end all do all to crime? No, it's

872
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:02,079
not. I mean, I'm here to tell you guys I
can work with it. I can work without it,

873
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:05,440
right? Um, but it's I I understand that
uh some people I mean, you clearly don't

874
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:09,359
want it. You know what I mean? You you
guys have all demonstrated that, but you

875
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,319
know, it's it's like I said, it's our
job, the village board job, my job to

876
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,400
give us the best tools we can to keep us
the safest community. And I said, it's

877
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:22,000
not the end all do all. It's not. But,
uh, where will this technology be in in

878
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:24,799
3 years? Like, I I don't think in 2022
when I worked here, we would be having

879
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,960
discussion today because I didn't think
it would get to this level. You know

880
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,200
what I mean?
>> A lot of people just realized they're

881
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:34,880
out there this past few months.
So that that's the part I want to speak

882
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,880
to really quickly is is the data part.
You mentioned where the techn is going

883
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:43,599
to go. Uh the truth is data is the new
currency. Data is the new power. Um I've

884
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,000
been in the food service industry for 25
years and one of my customers Kroger. Do

885
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,839
you know 30% of their revenue comes from
selling data?

886
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:56,160
» They're selling our data on us, right?
30% of their revenue comes from data.

887
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,559
That's crazy to me, right? Is it okay?
Probably not. Do I Door Dash because

888
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,799
that feels invasive to me? Yeah, all the
time, right? Because I don't want to be

889
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:09,119
in there. Um, but it's about where the
technology is going and what what the

890
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:14,240
value of data is and how powerful the
data can be. So, back in 22, which is

891
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:17,200
when we approved this program, was
actually the same time I was working

892
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:21,520
with my company to establish an AI
roadmap. So, I'm I'm not anti-technology

893
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:27,119
at all, right? Like I hope my company
savage our AI road mapap, but we're, you

894
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:31,359
know, public company who created a whole
bunch of safeguards and surveyed our

895
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:35,280
community before we even did that
knowing that there were commercial tools

896
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:39,680
that would help us be successful. We
still did all that work and laid all

897
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,520
that groundwork first. And I don't see
Will County doing that. And I'm a little

898
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:48,960
bit concerned we haven't done that here.
Um, a lot's changed since 2022 since I

899
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:52,799
created that AI roadmap since Manhattan
agreed to this program. The technology

900
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,880
has come a long way and we may not be
utilizing all of its capabilities but we

901
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,200
know the capabilities are there. We know
you know we could it can get into heat

902
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,319
mapping. It can get into algorithms. It
you know it can get into tracking and

903
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:08,640
tracing. It can get into facial
recognition. There is a lot of stuff. It

904
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,520
it can it's so small it can be put on
all the street lights, right? Like

905
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,039
forget the black things that everybody
can see. It becomes the unseen thing

906
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,960
that big brother's watching you
everywhere. So those are the things that

907
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:23,760
we need to consider that if we sign up
for this, you know, that that's what's

908
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,200
going to go with us and probably grow
unfortunately with us and are we

909
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:31,520
comfortable with that that direction of
data. So thank you. I I do want to just

910
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:35,520
add uh chief like we are so blessed and
lucky to have you and we always back the

911
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,680
blue like win or lose agree or disagree.
Thank

912
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,760
» you.
>> Thanks. No and I agree with all you

913
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,200
guys. I mean you guys bring valid
points. You know I'm not a like I told

914
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:44,960
you I'm not a a genius in this stuff.
You know, and you mentioned that uh I I

915
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:49,280
don't like that. You mentioned that the
um the LPRs are now on street lights. I

916
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:50,960
don't agree with that. You know what I
mean? But they're doing it so they're

917
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,720
not visible.
>> Yeah.

918
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:56,000
» You know what I mean? So I I don't agree
with that ALPR. Um I'm not going to name

919
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,599
the company cuz I don't want to be sued
or anything like that. But

920
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:02,240
» we don't actually
>> that that is a thing that exists and I

921
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:07,760
don't I don't agree with that. You know
what I mean? Um but you're right. The

922
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:10,960
technology is is I'm sure 20 years ahead
of what I already know, you know what I

923
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:13,039
mean? And uh ultimately, you know, you
guys bring valid points, you know what I

924
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:17,039
mean? And
>> we say those are public roads, right?

925
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:22,079
But but the public paid by who. Like we
the taxpayers paid for those roads. They

926
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:26,160
actually belong to all of us, right? So,
you know, that's where we're starting to

927
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,960
like, you know, redefine what belongs to
who, what we can do with it.

928
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,160
» Yeah. And, you know, as far as the flock
camera is concerned, I had a guy coming

929
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,160
in who was pro- flock, right? So, I
addressed them with some of your

930
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,960
questions. You know what I mean? Because
let's have both sides of the story.

931
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,200
» Yeah. You know, and I and I've been told
like the Secretary of State owns

932
01:04:38,299 --> 01:04:41,359
[clears throat] your license plates,
they own your driver's license, you're

933
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,520
just renting them, and you're allowed to
go on the road. And I'm like, "But what

934
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,039
about this? What about that?" You know
what I mean?

935
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,280
» Well, they want to turn everything into
a subscription, right? So,

936
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,720
» no thanks.
>> So, it's it is it's a double-edged

937
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:54,480
sword. And, you know, again, like I told
you guys, with it's ultimately the

938
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,480
board's decision which way we go, right?
Understand.

939
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,599
» Um,
>> it's my job to keep you guys safe with

940
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:04,799
black cameras or with not. Like I said,
we're going to solve crimes. You know,

941
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:09,039
it's been beneficial. It's um you know I
I believe we've had no officers based on

942
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:13,520
our audits that have abused it. You know
what I mean? I hope it stays that way.

943
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:16,960
Um but there's there's bad apples in
every category and it's just it is uh

944
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,640
you'll probably turn on the news
tomorrow morning and it will be someone

945
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:23,359
abused it again. You know what I mean?
Because it is a very powerful tool and I

946
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:27,359
understand that but I think the
technology behind it is even more

947
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:31,359
powerful. Um, and I don't know what um,
you know what I mean? Like you mentioned

948
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:35,200
the the co era where you know, can it be
used to track people? Well, I mean what,

949
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,720
and this is just a guess. This is just
an assumption, right? You probably could

950
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:40,799
have, you know what I mean? If if if the
federal government got their hands on

951
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,240
this, they probably could have tracked
people off these cameras uh, back when

952
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,319
CO was around, right? That's why I said
the technology uh, we have to have the

953
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,280
guardrails at the at the state level. We
have it at the local level, right? We

954
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,200
have a five-page policy, but we have to
have it at a state level if we if to

955
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:59,839
govern everybody and all this because
like I said, right now it's just uh you

956
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:03,520
know it it's there's no statute that
governs what happens if it is abused or

957
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,559
what happens if you know there's no
oversight board. There's no you know

958
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,200
like the mayor had a great idea was
talking about having an oversight board

959
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,319
for it. Um you know and I don't know
what that looks like. It's just a great

960
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:15,039
idea that we'd have to figure out you
know but you know on the same page I'm

961
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,720
just here and tell you like what if we
just get rid of it and I don't got this

962
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,480
headache anymore.
>> Yeah. It's still a slippery slope,

963
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,599
right? Compromising on the constitution,
but I do thank you, sir. Thank you.

964
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,880
» Yeah. So, I appreciate your comment. I
appreciate you supporting us and

965
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,880
hopefully this block debate doesn't uh
change that perception of us.

966
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,200
» Thank you, sir.
>> Thanks.

967
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:35,200
» Um, I'd like to just make some general
comments and I I appreciate everyone

968
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:37,520
bringing this to our attention and
honestly, we probably wouldn't be

969
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:42,400
talking about it if you guys didn't. So,
it's always good to have, you know,

970
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:46,799
conversation. Um, you know, I what I've
struggled with and I understand your

971
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:51,440
concerns and I am concerned as well. in
those some of those regards. It's, you

972
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:54,720
know, as an elected official in this
town, I I think our our main

973
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:58,160
responsibility is to keep our residents
safe, you know, and that's where I've

974
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:05,599
been struggling with this because I have
children and this this camera has been

975
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:11,119
proven for child abductions to catch
them quickly, quicker than probably any

976
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:15,920
other way that I know of uh currently.
So, it's hard to tell the residents if

977
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:20,000
we get rid of this that we are safer.
Now, I know we can debate what safe is,

978
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:24,400
right? I I do get that. Like our
personal property, our privacy is a is a

979
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:28,640
part of safety, but that's where I
struggle. Um I would have a hard time

980
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:32,160
looking a mother or father in the face
saying, "I voted down cameras. They

981
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:37,280
drive out of town and never steer their
kid again. We may be, you know, could

982
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:42,559
have stopped that solve that crime."
That's tough. Um, and as far as I can

983
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:46,160
see, and I'm sure more more issues are
going to pop up over the coming days and

984
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:51,599
months, you know, there has been more
successes than failures, and it's been

985
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:54,880
like a pretty dramatic one-sided debate
on that. I think there's been

986
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:59,200
tremendously more success stories than
the negatives, but I mean, we'll see how

987
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:02,160
that turns out. Um, but that's the
struggle. It's we we we voted in

988
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:06,160
something we thought was making this
town safer and especially after the

989
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:09,520
safety act passed where criminals were
getting out on the streets a lot more

990
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:15,440
frequently. Uh we want to know when
they're in our town and I think that's a

991
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,560
fair thing to want as a as an elected
person. I think it's fair for a resident

992
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:22,560
to want to know when bad people come
through town if we can. Um it's not

993
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:28,159
going to stop them all, but I think it
does deter crime, you know. Um, but it's

994
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:33,679
the debate whether it's
is the good and evil, right? Is is the

995
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:37,040
good outweigh the evil in my opinion.
That's where I'm stuck struggling with

996
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:42,719
it. Regardless of where we land on this
debate, um, I think we have to have some

997
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:47,359
oversight. Um, we probably really didn't
discuss that early on. Um, there needs

998
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:50,799
to be
somewhere we meet in the middle or

999
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,759
somewhere where we can ensure that we're
doing the right thing and giving people

1000
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,719
a safeguards that they can be
comfortable with or at least more open.

1001
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:04,080
Um, either way, as is today, it it
probably can't stay the way it is. But

1002
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:11,199
um Post does deserve more transparency
and more oversight from us. But I I

1003
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:18,239
don't know right now if I'm on board to
tell a mother that, you know, we remove

1004
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:21,279
this because of the whatifs. Um
I don't know. That's where I'm stuck at.

1005
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:24,880
» Yeah.
>> Because this has been one of the

1006
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:29,759
frequent misuses. Are you on board to
tell a woman, "I'm sorry that Flock

1007
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:33,199
camera helped somebody track an
ex-girlfriend, a wife, an ex-wife that

1008
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,880
led to domestic abuse?"
>> Yeah. So, I I guess I would answer that

1009
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:40,719
is I would say, you know, obviously I'm
sorry that would happen. Obviously, we

1010
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,440
didn't want that to happen, but that
police officer would be immediately

1011
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:47,839
locked out the door and hopefully in
handcuffs. And you can't stop a cop from

1012
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,319
doing bad things, right? We don't get
rid of guns because one officer has a

1013
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:54,080
bad shoot.
>> No, but we do teach officers how to

1014
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:56,320
shoot. and we should teach officers how
to use Spock. I don't disagree with

1015
01:09:55,679 --> 01:10:01,760
that.
>> My my the point I'm trying to make is

1016
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:06,000
and I said this to to several of the
trustees and I think I said it to the

1017
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:11,600
chief of police as well. Um there are
certain tools that aren't necessary in

1018
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:17,040
an environment. So perfect example would
be a tank. The police department does

1019
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:26,080
not need a tank, right? because it would
be go past what is considered normal for

1020
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:29,520
protection and safety in the AI world
and in the digital world. This is a

1021
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,840
tank.
We all can agree that there are a lot of

1022
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:40,560
things we don't know. There's a lot of
things that and if I I would be very

1023
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:45,920
irresponsible to send somebody in with a
tank in a job that doesn't need a tank

1024
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:51,520
if he's not qualified or doesn't know
how it works and operates. And that this

1025
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:56,159
system kind of falls into that bit of a
category where we don't know we don't

1026
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:00,960
know how it works completely. We don't
know how it how advanced it can get. We

1027
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:04,560
don't know how quickly it can get there.
We don't know where the data all ends

1028
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:08,080
up. There's so many I don't knows. It
ends up being a tank in the police

1029
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,719
department.
If you catch, you know, I'm saying it as

1030
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:17,280
light. I know that sounds really firm,
but I'm saying that as lightly as I can

1031
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:22,960
from somebody who's only just started
looking into this a few, you know, a

1032
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:26,239
month ago. So,
you know, and I'm speaking to the tr,

1033
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,440
you know, to the trustees and the board
in this situation because chief and I

1034
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:33,679
spoke for over an hour and a half, I
think.

1035
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:39,840
about this and even he's saying and has
said I can do my job without it. He

1036
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:44,320
would never say that about a firearm. He
would never say that about some of the

1037
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:50,480
other tools he needs to use. So the fact
that he can say that out loud is a

1038
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:52,880
concern to its its ethicalness for being
used in this community. That that's my

1039
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,600
point.
>> Like one of the points and I'll make

1040
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:59,199
this quick, but one of the points in in
their discussion was yeah there's all

1041
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:02,640
kinds of tools that can deter crime. We
can use a gun and just shoot every

1042
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:06,960
suspect. That'll determine crime real
quick. But is it ethical? Of course not.

1043
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,880
» You're making them guilty before
>> Exactly.

1044
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,960
» Exactly.
>> And in some ways,

1045
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:13,679
» there's lots of tools. It doesn't mean
that they're moral, ethical, or

1046
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:17,440
constitutional.
>> So I I felt the need to say that because

1047
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:20,880
it's so easy to pull an emotional plea
of that poor mother, that poor woman.

1048
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,719
Well, there's plenty of women getting
beaten because they're being tracked. So

1049
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,679
it it goes both ways, unfortunately.
>> I would also like to speak up. Um, one

1050
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:35,199
of our founding founders, the founding
fathers has a quote, "Those who would

1051
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:40,920
give up essential liberty to purchase a
little temporary safety deserve neither

1052
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,920
liberty nor safety."

1053
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,480
This is a quote from Benjamin Franklin.

1054
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:58,280
» Did you have something in the
background?

1055
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,280
» Yeah. Um,

1056
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:06,000
so, um, I had this discussion with my
son. I think it was last week and and

1057
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:10,000
it's I was like, what are you worried
about? I don't do anything. I drive in

1058
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:14,480
here, who cares what's on my but then
and now I'm here talking about it. So,

1059
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:18,239
back to your point, Justin, you know,
that was my first thought, too. Like,

1060
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:21,600
how many how many crimes did it solve? I
didn't know any of this any of these

1061
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:25,199
stats last week. I'm just having a
conversation with him because he's he's

1062
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,719
younger and he thinks everything's a
conspiracy. I'm not going to go there.

1063
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:32,719
But I just said, "Well, it's probably
solved some crimes, Vincent, and it

1064
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:39,360
outweighs the whatever." But then and I
start thinking about it and hearing

1065
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:44,239
hearing people talk and listening to
I would ask the board as they think

1066
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:49,440
through this and I don't know when this
comes up. It's more than just a a

1067
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:54,480
question of
that woman, that man that was tracked or

1068
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:58,880
whatever else. Could it have solved the
crime? That's not even the question that

1069
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:03,360
we're talking about here. We're talking
about

1070
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:08,880
And I'm at a loss for words, but
monumental decisions that are going to

1071
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:13,120
impact generations to come. And we can
have an

1072
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:18,080
we can be the leader. We don't have to
we don't have to do what New Lennox does

1073
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:23,199
or Shanahan or anyone else. We need to
we can be at the forefront of decision-

1074
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:27,760
making. We can be cautious now. Now we
have more information. We know the we

1075
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:32,320
know there's more questions out there.
If we take the flock cameras down

1076
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:37,520
tomorrow, are crimes going to spike?
Maybe, maybe not. Are more crimes going

1077
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:44,080
to get solved? Maybe, maybe not. But the
bigger impact is, back to this data, we

1078
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:51,280
know 100% equivocally that that is going
to continue to spike. Our our rights are

1079
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:55,760
continuously going to be um at question.
And I think that's where we need to

1080
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:59,440
really focus this decision. And as you
talk through it as a board,

1081
01:14:57,936 --> 01:15:03,760
[clears throat] it's not just a quick
answer of does it solve crimes or not.

1082
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:10,560
» And I don't think we should lose sight
of that.

1083
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:14,239
» When is the when is the vote on this
>> next meeting or two?

1084
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:19,120
» So it have to be prior to the November
22nd.

1085
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:24,320
» Okay. I would also ask that we
and I don't know if this is helpful or

1086
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:30,960
not but I think I know myself and
probably others but it sounds like the

1087
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:36,800
board as well needs some more factual
concrete information statistics to

1088
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:39,199
support and to look at both sides of the
argument.

1089
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:42,960
» And that's why we're starting with the
discussion openly with the public and

1090
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:47,062
going through all that process to look
at and things are coming out every every

1091
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,159
day.
>> [clears throat]

1092
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:54,880
» The only thing is is that if you go to a
hospital, don't they take all the

1093
01:15:52,302 --> 01:15:57,840
[clears throat] data?
>> You know where that goes?

1094
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,719
» Data centers.
>> Yeah.

1095
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:09,040
» You know, you don't know that. And if
you don't do nothing wrong,

1096
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:12,000
why is these clock things so
getting everybody upset right now?

1097
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:18,800
» Because the definition of wrong can
change. I mean

1098
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:23,840
the to me I've heard and uh I know
people track everybody on their phones.

1099
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:26,480
Where does that data go if it's put on
your phone?

1100
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,920
» Yeah. I mean I just want to address
there's a difference between voluntary

1101
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:34,239
and involuntary private versus public.
This is a government forum. The the

1102
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:38,640
village of Manhattan. The government is
choosing to or not to use mass

1103
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:42,080
surveillance, you know, technologies.
And that's different from a private

1104
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:46,480
company where you get to choose or not.
choose to engage in them. I don't get to

1105
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:50,239
choose whether or not I turn left on my
house and there's two block cameras

1106
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:54,239
right flipping there. Like that it
drives me insane. I don't even want to

1107
01:16:51,679 --> 01:17:00,080
turn left on my house anymore.
>> And and you have a you have a valid

1108
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:04,320
thought, but I and I've said this to
everybody that I've spoken to. I own

1109
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,800
this device, right?
>> Yeah.

1110
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,239
» If I'm over being tracked, I have the
right to leave this device at home. I

1111
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:15,360
have the right to destroy this device. I
can do whatever I want to to this device

1112
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,600
without any repercussions. I cannot do
that to a flock camera.

1113
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:25,520
That is a federal offense for me to go
and go attack a flock camera. If I don't

1114
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:30,320
want to be tracked by a Ring doorbell,
I don't have to

1115
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:34,159
» the difference is and and if I know a
store has a device, I can choose not to

1116
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:38,159
go to that store. I can choose to go to
a market. I can choose to there's lots

1117
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:42,080
of things I can do to not have that
information available. It's just most of

1118
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:45,600
us don't because it's not convenient.
>> Well, I just figure that if I don't do

1119
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,840
nothing wrong, I don't care where the
data goes.

1120
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,600
» That's my opinion because I'm an older
lady.

1121
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:56,960
» I understand,
>> but laws can change. [clears throat]

1122
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,080
» The um just Philip, real quick, I do you
know the uh

1123
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,960
» you said it's a federal offense to
damage a flat camera. Do you know what

1124
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,560
that's being charged under by chance?
Just

1125
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:10,239
» I I don't. I just Okay. I mean I I the
discussion is is

1126
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,920
» it's damage of property. It's a no. We
don't have

1127
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,719
» case. Okay. I just didn't know if the
federal government had picked up cases

1128
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:20,000
and had been charging it and that I
haven't yet. Like I said, I'm and I'm

1129
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:22,239
with you. I'm no lawyer. I
>> Yeah. I just was curious cuz I was like,

1130
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,640
well, if they started charging federal,
that's news to me and I got to look into

1131
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,560
it, you know. And the gentleman in the
back, I'm sorry, I missed his name

1132
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,960
earlier.
>> Kevin.

1133
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:34,960
» Kevin. So, I I think and and we'll kind
of punch it all together. I think

1134
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,120
cameras became a big thing during the co
era. Um because uh just speaking to my

1135
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,560
police career, vehicle hijackings and
stolen vehicle reached an all-time high

1136
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,159
during that time because there was
nothing better for criminals to do,

1137
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:48,880
right? Nothing was open. Nothing was So
they were hijacking cars at gunpoint,

1138
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:53,600
stealing stuff and stuff like that. And
I think when that's really when the ALPR

1139
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:58,239
beast became a big thing. I think it has
substantially uh slowed down now. You

1140
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,880
know what I mean? Um, I mean I don't I
try not to keep up with county crime

1141
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:06,000
stats anymore now that I don't work in
that county. But, um, you know, I think

1142
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:09,199
that's when when flock and ALPRs became
really big, but as as your wife had

1143
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:12,320
mentioned earlier, you know, the
phenomenon of ALPR, it's getting to the

1144
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,880
point where they're putting them on
street lights, they're putting them on

1145
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:18,080
this, you know, the data is
unbelievable. You know what I mean? And

1146
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,400
and like you said earlier, you know,
we're not worried about the cameras

1147
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:24,640
themselves. We're worried about the
data. Um, and and I appreciate you

1148
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:27,520
bringing that to my attention because I
don't think I really looked at it that

1149
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,120
way, you know what I mean? I thought you
were arguing about the camera, right?

1150
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:35,040
Which we are making valid arguments
about it, but it's the data that's a lot

1151
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:38,159
of people's concerns that I never really
looked into.

1152
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:41,360
» Um, you know what I mean? Because
>> like you said earlier, you know, it can

1153
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:45,360
go into this data warehouse that's on
it's not in Manhattan, so don't take it

1154
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:50,320
as a rumor, right? On Smith Road. Um,
but you know what stops the person who

1155
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:53,840
works for um,
uh, who's near here? I don't know. Green

1156
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,199
Garden Police Department, which don't
exist, who made a photo copy of it for

1157
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,760
their investigation who never shredded
it,

1158
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:03,440
» right? So, there's a million whatifs,
you know what I mean? Um, so I

1159
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:06,960
understand your your uh data questions,
you know what I mean? And that's

1160
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,159
something more that we I need to look
into, you know what I mean? As well. So,

1161
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,280
I appreciate that.
>> Yeah. We thank everyone for coming and

1162
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,400
bringing some information to our
attention and uh it definitely helps us

1163
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:19,360
make a better decision and be more
investigating ourselves.

1164
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,159
» And just as a side note, if any of you
guys, you know, if any of you guys want

1165
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,640
to come to my office to talk about it,
the door is wide open. Please come by

1166
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,400
and you know, I'd love to hear your
arguments because uh for some times

1167
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,360
during the day, they get my ear and I
get theirs. You know what I mean? And uh

1168
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:35,040
I'd love to discuss both options. I've
had very productive uh conversations

1169
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:38,880
with people both for and against it. And
I do appreciate that. I mean, that's why

1170
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,840
you pay your taxes, right? And I'm I'm
very open to those conversations and

1171
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:44,000
your point of views because if I didn't
have conversations with you, I wouldn't

1172
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,760
know what the general public thinks,
right? I could leave read Manhattan, but

1173
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,400
as we all know, that's not always true.
So,

1174
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:54,880
» anyone else?
>> I just for the record, can I add to what

1175
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,320
Bart said regarding the bridge and the
walkway there?

1176
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,679
» Yeah.
>> So, a second individual voiced a concern

1177
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,159
over that.
>> Yeah. I mean, we're definitely going to

1178
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,080
look into that. I mean, I've seen it
myself and

1179
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:08,480
» yeah, I go
>> brief conversations, but you know,

1180
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:11,280
sometimes there's There's so many things
that we try to focus on, but yeah,

1181
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,760
that's definitely something we'll
revisit.

1182
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,719
» Yeah.
>> Thank you for bringing that up.

1183
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:20,239
» Yes.
>> Would the board be willing to revisit

1184
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:24,159
the uh cap on the water?
>> I want to talk to our public works about

1185
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:26,880
that. Yeah.
>> And I mean, we could talk again after

1186
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,239
the meeting. You just got a couple
things to finish. And then, like I said,

1187
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:34,239
I could certainly give you a call if
it's maybe too late today, call you

1188
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:37,679
tomorrow. Or if you wanted to wait till
after executive session, that's up to

1189
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,880
you.
Okay, I can talk to you tomorrow.

1190
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:46,080
» I just because I didn't put on the
agenda, so I don't want to spring from

1191
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:50,320
what we're supposed to do.
>> Last comment I want to make is in all

1192
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:54,639
fairness, we did bring both a petition
for flock and petition against flock to

1193
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:59,760
several local businesses. It just said
that business owners uh they would not

1194
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:02,159
put out the the for. [laughter] But we
did offer both.

1195
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,440
» Actually, it's it's funny you said that
because someone called the police on you

1196
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,880
guys and I said, "No, leave that be."
You know, they uh I Were one of you guys

1197
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,639
in Sunset Lakes as well?
>> Yeah.

1198
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:14,400
» Yeah. They called and I'm like, "No,
that's perfectly permissible." So, it's

1199
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,120
uh they did call the police on you, but
we kind of knew what was going on. So,

1200
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:22,800
» that's why I stopped in before.
>> Yeah. So, we appreciate that.

1201
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:29,800
» All right. Thank you. Um I don't really
have anything. That was a lot. Um

1202
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,800
» Jennifer

1203
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:41,040
» um I just want to say uh thank you for
the facts that we've learned today. Um

1204
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:47,280
everyone talking has really kind of uh
opened up a new door for me just to look

1205
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:52,320
through some more facts and u make a
really good decision for the flat

1206
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:57,520
cameras. Um, also I want to say um I'm
sorry to the Reed family. They suffered

1207
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:02,960
a tremendous loss um over this weekend.
So prayers to them. Um and that's pretty

1208
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,880
much all I have. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Justin.

1209
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,920
» Uh yeah, just I mean echo what I said
earlier. Just it's it takes a lot of

1210
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:12,400
courage and I wish we had more residents
that would come to these meetings and

1211
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:17,040
voice their concerns because if not,
we're leading the team the village

1212
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:21,440
blindly at times it feels like. Um, so
just kudos to them and um, yeah, I mean

1213
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,960
kind of what you just echoed to you. You
know, the Reed family is going through

1214
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,840
some unimaginable times right now and
you know any help you guys can give

1215
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:31,440
them, I'm sure they'd much appreciate it
and just, you know, if you know them, I

1216
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,120
do not know him personally, but if you
do, you know, give them a hug and be

1217
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,920
there and be there, you know, one year
from now, two years from now, it's going

1218
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:42,080
to be a long time long healing process.
So, thanks.

1219
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:46,080
» Thank you, Bob.
nothing.

1220
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:49,679
» I'm very thankful for the disc
discussion we had here tonight and

1221
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:54,719
there's so much more information that we
need to talk about about FL cameras and

1222
01:23:53,040 --> 01:24:00,480
of course the Reed family. Oh my
goodness. Uh hearts and prayers go out

1223
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:05,760
to them. Um
that's really all I have. Mayor,

1224
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:09,360
» thank you. But no, again to echo what uh
everyone else here said. I'm glad a lot

1225
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,320
of people came in today to uh you know
enlighten us and have a good productive

1226
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:17,040
productive uh discussion. Um it's great
when people come in to talk about the

1227
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:20,560
issues in a you know formal setting like
this and hopefully more people come in

1228
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:24,080
with you know any any other issues they
have on their mind with you know various

1229
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:28,800
things in town. And again prayers for
the Reed family um you know with

1230
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:32,159
everything they're going through. Um
Chief seemed like the cops and bobers

1231
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:35,760
event went really well um this past
Saturday. My little guy had a blast. And

1232
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:40,159
then we already have the fun Labor Day
events coming up Sunday, the parade

1233
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:42,960
Monday, and then um a lot of my seniors
at work are talking about the garage

1234
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:47,520
sale coming up the week after. Looking
forward to that. And then on their uh

1235
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:52,719
quarterly lunchon coming up on the uh
the 23rd. So that's that's all I got.

1236
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:58,080
» Thank you.
>> I don't have anything.

1237
01:24:54,159 --> 01:25:04,000
» Also, it's the 25th anniversary of 911
this year, so it's

1238
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:04,000
Rosemary.

1239
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:10,400
Uh, as you can see, we're wrapping up,
uh, Ivan, the Ivano project. Uh, Route

1240
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:13,840
52 is started for the turn lanes going
into the subdivision. Um, so we're

1241
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:18,560
working with the developer to finish
that along with the landscaping that

1242
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:22,159
still needs needs to be put in. Um, and
some other miscellaneous punch list

1243
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:25,600
items like the like the water fountains
and the in the ponds. So, we're hoping

1244
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:30,159
to try to get that completed by this
winter.

1245
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:34,800
» I drove by the other day. It's pretty a
lot of dirt move. [clears throat]

1246
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:38,000
» John,
>> uh we have good news. Uh we started

1247
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:41,760
deliver having our salt delivered for
the winter season this week. So 100

1248
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,760
degrees out and we're getting salt for
winter.

1249
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:50,000
All right. You had to say that
[laughter] not until after Labor Day.

1250
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,440
» Oh my god.
>> Carrie, do you want to add anything to

1251
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,760
that?
>> No, I'm good. Thank you.

1252
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:58,560
» Kent, do you have anything?
>> Chief,

1253
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:02,080
» uh appreciate the conversation. Thanks
for uh all the input and information.

1254
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:04,480
» Yeah, it's a it's a it's a beast. The
flock cameras, it's a it's a beast and

1255
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,679
there's a lot of questions to be asked
and I'm glad they're being asked because

1256
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:11,360
like I said, I don't 100% agree, but I
don't disagree that much either. You

1257
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:15,120
know what I mean? But I appreciate the
they're having a conversation um and

1258
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:20,239
stuff like that. We'll see where it
goes, you know? Um the uh you know,

1259
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:24,000
obviously, you know, prayers to the Reed
family. They're going through uh

1260
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:27,280
unprecedented, not not easy times. You
know, I feel terrible for them. Um, and

1261
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:31,199
you know, hopefully the community can
uplift them in these times of uh sadness

1262
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:34,560
and difficult. And uh Shelley earlier
with her 988 uh with the proclamation

1263
01:26:33,554 --> 01:26:38,000
[clears throat] and everything we did.
And I can't I can't emphasize how

1264
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:42,159
important that is. You know, I can't say
much about what I know, but um it'll be

1265
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:46,239
in the news sooner than later. And it
and that number is more important than

1266
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:49,520
ever to call when uh when someone's
struggling. And uh I wish more people

1267
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,679
would really listen and and reach out
when they need help. You know, at the

1268
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:56,080
police department, we have all the
resources in the world. But uh you know

1269
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,880
the news will reflect that something
terrible happened today and and it could

1270
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:04,320
have been averted if they'd have called
this number. So that's all I have.

1271
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:06,320
» Thank you. Anything? All right. So we're
going to go into executive session.

1272
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:10,639
There's going to be no action
afterwards, but everyone's welcome to

1273
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:14,400
stay. So looking for a motion to enter
uh executive session for probable

1274
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:19,199
imminent and pending litigation and
address meeting and external and

1275
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:24,639
internal auditors. Uh, governmental fair
governmental audit committees, finance

1276
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,920
committees or their equivalent
>> motion.

1277
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:27,679
» This one
>> second.

1278
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,400
» Second.
>> Do I have to take that back?

1279
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,840
» Roll call.
>> Boon.

1280
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,920
» Yes.
>> Doyle.

1281
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,719
» Beha.
>> Yes.

1282
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,040
» Young.
>> Yes.

1283
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,239
» Open. Reopen regular session.
>> Motion.

1284
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,679
» Second.
>> Second.

1285
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,360
» Roll call.
>> Sorry if you're not.

1286
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:46,400
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1287
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:50,239
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1288
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:52,560
Okay, motion carries. Uh, no action. So,
looking for a motion to adjurnn.

1289
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:57,480
» Motion.
>> All in favor?

1290
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,480
» Meeting adjourn.