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» Good evening. Today is Tuesday,

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September 1st. Please stand for the

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pledge of allegiance.

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>> I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for it stands one nation

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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Heather, would you please take role?

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>> Council member Radits

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>> Mayor Prom Smith

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>> here.

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>> Council member Laskkey.

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>> Mayor Sullivan

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>> Council member Kek

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>> Council member Gowski

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>> Council member Ruska

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>> City manager

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>> Roll call complete.

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>> Thank you. Uh disclosure of conflicts of

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interest. Council member with a conflict

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Public hearings, we have none. Citizens

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citizen with correspondence to be

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of the meeting or after the meeting has

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» Hi, good evening. I'm Karen Mal 5364th

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Street. Um, I've been on the parks

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commission for five years, the last two

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as chair and now vice chair. Our our

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chair couldn't be here tonight, but here

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I am. Um, I just wanted to give a parks

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uh commission perspective on the Duffy

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and Morton lots. I think the prevailing

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winds on the parks commission is that

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yes, the Morton lot, it's kind of

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debatable whether that's it's a

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neighborhood park. It's not as heavily

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used as Duffy and that one is not as

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high a priority. And if we need to delay

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or even maybe eventually eliminate that, would be understandable. But the

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Duffy law, I just wanted to advocate for

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putting that back on the change order.

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accountant, but I'm pretty good with

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numbers. And I was looking, we had 70k

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um, earmarked on the capital

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improvements budget for Duffy and

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another 25 for Morton for the lot. So

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that's 95. Am I right? Um, the low bid I

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think was around 73K. And, um, compared

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incurred like a 28% engineering fee. I

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applied that to the low bid and that

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still came out just under 95k which if it's accurate we we had 95 and um the

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reason I think that's important on the

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parks commission especially we've been

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talking about safety there because it's

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one thing with the muck and the mud and

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getting pelted in the face with fine

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gravel in the spring soccer months but

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that's a nuisance it's not great but um

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there's kids darting back and forth

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between that west side soccer field and

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designated safe, you know, path across

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there. In addition, for some reason this

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year, people have started parking for

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those soccer matches. Um, driving their

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cars up on the grass on the west side,

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so their bumpers, their front bumpers

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bleachers there on both sides. It's not

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real safe. So, we thought that the paved

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lot in addition to I think the DPW might

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have said they had some of I don't know

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keep you from driving beyond your

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parking place. I think they might have

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still had some of those um available

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that we could put kind of along

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just be safer for kids. So, I just

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wanted to throw that out there. Um I

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made with Morton Salt that they were

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going to contribute 25K in addition to

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the city's 25k to repave that lot as

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well and I didn't know if that was

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remembered or um I didn't see it

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mentioned on the on the agenda. So

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>> Thanks. Anybody else on agenda?

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with an aster are considered by the city

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manager to be routine matters. Prior to

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approval, any member of council may have

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regular portion of the meeting. Items

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sheet. At this time, council could take

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action to approve the consent agenda as

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>> She makes the motion. I second it.

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>> Heather, would you please take role?

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>> Council member Radits.

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>> Mayor Prom Smith.

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>> Council member Laskkey. Yes.

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>> Council member Kek.

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>> Council member Gabowski.

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>> Unfinished business. We have new

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midterm update with the fire department

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was the current statistics of the fire

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department. So far, your fire department

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has responded to 830 calls so far this

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year. 568

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of those are EMS type calls representing

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just under 70% of the calls. We have 13

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fire calls for 1.5% of our calls. Then

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249 calls um we categorize those as

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other. Um also all the way over on the

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right hand side we have aid. So those

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are our mutual aid numbers. So far we've

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given aid out to other communities uh 41

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times and received aid 138 times. uh

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that 138 times is a little bit skewed

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right now because that involves um when

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they are doing their reports they're

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checking uh our police department. So

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when our police department comes with us

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on a call that's also um aid. So those

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numbers are a little bit that the police

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department has came and helped us out uh

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98 times. So really when it comes on to

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it mutual aid it's running right around

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50/50. We helped 40 times and they

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helped 40 other times. on the bottom is

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kind of the breakdown of the different

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types of calls that we respond to. Uh

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70% is, you know, our our meta calls and

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of calls. Now, we've had a lot going on

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with our fire department. Uh staffing

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want to show you on the right there that

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is an org chart of how our fire

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department is currently staffed right

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we have allotted to budgeted for us. So

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staffing of two personnel 24 hours a

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day, seven days a week and that and

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Jaden Dika in that and Jaden's gonna

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come up and say hi really quick,

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introduce himself. This is Jaden.

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>> Hi everybody. As Chief said, my name is

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Jaden. Um I want to thank each and every

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one of you for the privilege of being a

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firefighter for your city. Um thank you

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>> All right. And Jaden's off to a really

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good start. We're happy to have him. We

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also have firefighter Joe Wnak. He's not

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here with us tonight, but he recently

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completed his paramedic school and he's

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looking to take his state test to become

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a licensed paramedic. Uh we promoted

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Captain uh Heath Darling. He's been a

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longtime firefighter. He's actually a

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firefighter who's been with our fire

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department for the longest. He got

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promoted to captain. And we also have

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firefighter Brandon Nelson who is

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recently promoted to the fire marshal

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responsibilities for us. Those are a lot

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new union president and Brandon I think

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Mayor Sullivan for stopping by today to

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meet with us. Contrary to social media,

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local 645 is in support of Chief Hearnen

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as well as Bill Gamble on support of the

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regional fire initiative in regards to

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adding full-time staff. Uh we feel your

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city fire department is not a toxic or

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hostile workplace. Thank you.

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they're going to be bailing out right

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now. And that just back to the fire

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station, that's where they have the full

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aotment of vehicle or of cars and stuff.

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our fire department right now. And I

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currently have two conditional offers

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out to two candidates right now. We're

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going through the rest of the interview

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process where they do background checks,

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psychological devel um and physical

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agility, uh different types of testing.

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Manasty Regional Fire Initiative. And I

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think one of the most important things

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that I'd like council to understand is

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why we are doing this. The reason why

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we're doing this is because the number

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of emergency calls has risen. This has

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been a national trend for a very, very

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long time. We've went back for the past

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up all the calls that our county has

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responded to emergency times and they

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are following the national trends of

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increasing by about a third. So call

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volume is increasing. Uh the second

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reason why we're doing this is the pool

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of available responders is decreasing.

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All right, the number of volunteer paid

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per call firefighters has dropped.

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That's another thing that they've been

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tracking since 1984. 1984 there was over

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800,000 firefighters. Today we're down

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around the 600,000. So that is dropping

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by a third. So our call volume has

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increased by a third and um the amount

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of available responders has decreased by

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a third. I was speaking with the fire

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chief just today. Um he tells me about a

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full roster of 25 they had 15 years ago.

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Today they're down to nine. Okay. So

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we're looking to do something different.

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Mutual aid and other fire departments

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are important because we have automatic

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aid agreements. When there isn't a fire,

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we count on all fire departments to come

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and respond to us. The when they have a

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reduced amount, we have a reduced amount

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to use on scene both inside the city and

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outside the city. We all work together

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when it comes to um handling these

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emergencies. And that's why this is

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important.

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The third reason why we're doing this is

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capital equipment costs have increased.

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This has been something uh since the the

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really the pandemic in that that is when

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um apparatus fire trucks have

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skyrocketed through that they've

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increased by 50 to 100%. Uh $500,000

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fire trucks today now cost a million

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dollars. Uh ladder trucks now cost about

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$2 million and it takes about two years

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to get them. And that so those are the

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three main reasons why we're exploring

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this initiative. So, so what is it? So,

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this is actually the Massie Regional

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Fire Initiative. This is a ballot

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initiative to increase fire and EMS

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capacity within Filer Township, Strronic

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Township, and Onka Township. It's a

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ballot initiative. These communities are

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putting out a millage or a ballot

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proposal to raise millages in order to

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raise their funds available to support a

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fire authority. All right. If we create

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a fire authority, we're going to have a budget and a funding formula, and each

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community that participates in it will

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need to contribute a certain amount of

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money. These funds in this ballot

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initiative is designed to raise the

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funds for their contribution for this.

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We do have a public engagement meetings

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scheduled for September 21st in Strronic

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Township. That's going to be from 6:00

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to 8:00.

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Now, and then I think we've all realized

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is Massie Township was originally

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involved in this. You can see in our

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little map and in all of our logos in

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that that they're colored in there.

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Well, they decided to withdraw from this

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conversation from the conversational

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fire authority. And what that really did

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is it changed our website, it changed

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our budget, our changed all of the

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materials that we have to advertise with

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or that we have to communicate this

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idea. So it t took some time to update

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that website, update all our m material

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and really devise a whole new plan. We

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had to come up with the new budget,

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those types of things. And uh that that

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takes some time. That did create um a

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delay, but we are getting things

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scheduled. The uh website is will be

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updated by the end of this week and we

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should be looking good to communicate

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with the public and really show them um

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the needs that the fire service has in

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this community.

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So with this fire authority, this is

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what the city of Manasty gets. It gets

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additional full-time firefighters. Right

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now, we are the only fire station that

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has full-time firefighters occupying

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fire stations. So, we have two two

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firefighters uh really within the entire

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county. What this is going to do is this

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is going to increase it to five

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firefighters today. They won't be

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stationed at our fire station. They'll

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be stationed in Fer. There'll be a few

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stationed in OnCA. But what that's doing

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is that's keeping them available to

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respond to our city immediately when we

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need help. Remember, mutual aid is a big

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part of what we do. So, we do need help

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on occasion and we'll have people there

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available to respond to us immediately.

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The next thing it does is it provides

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replacement apparatus and equipment. So,

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there's a sustainable capital

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improvement plan involved in this

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initiative. So what really what this is

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saying is is this is covering the cost

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of our fire apparatus currently right

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now. Um

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if we were to go out and to get new fire

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apparatus, we would have to go for a

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millillage and a bond and ask for more

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money from the citizens of Manaste to

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purchase fire trucks for this this

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ballot initiative by everyone working

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together reducing some capital cost.

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There is a capital plan involved in this

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and it covers the cost of new fire

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apparatus.

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Also, the shared service administration

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standards, it's really just getting us

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the same training days um working

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together, same equipment and just

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bringing it closer together so it's a

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little bit more seamless when we arrive

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on scene emergencies. It's not much like

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um when there is a fire and we have

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three, four different fire departments

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responding. It can be a little clunky at

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times because we have different

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equipment, different gear, different

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ways we communicate and that bringing an

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organization closer together just helps

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us make it more efficient and run things

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run a little bit more smoothly. Now,

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without this fire authority, uh,

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municipal fire and EMS would continue to

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operate independently with the existing

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staffing levels. We wouldn't be

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addressing any of the staffing concerns

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and constraints on long-term

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sustainability. There is no capital in

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uh improvement plan that involves the

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motor pool. How we buy apparatus here.

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Um with ordinance, we don't uh pay for

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uh ladder trucks or fire engines through

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our motor pool fund. In order for us to

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purchase those vehicles, we would have

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to go for a millillage, a bond to pay

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for those types of apparatus. in that

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currently right now our fire engine is a

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2004

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and our ladder truck is is approaching

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30 years old. So they're both uh right

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there at the replacement age. We we need

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new fire apparatus. So we do have to

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plan for that that

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Oh my gosh, I turned it off.

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» Must be good.

437
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>> Sorry about that.

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And I think

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» that was the last slide and really

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that's what I have. That's the update

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that I have for you right now regarding

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this and um believe I'm open for

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questions.

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>> Yes.

445
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>> What determines if we go forward on

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this? Is it the vote by the other

447
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townships or do the Manasty City people

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get to vote or ask questions? I mean I

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know we have the 21st but what do what's

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the drop dead that this is a move

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forward? So really in order to join the

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authority that's a vote by the council

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to say yes we want to join the authority

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and that so there would be a contract

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articles incorporation and the council

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the different councils or township

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boards would be voted on whether or not

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to um they want to join what's happening

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right now is the um the ballot and the

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initiative and why is that is they are

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looking to raise funds in order to

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support it because they need to really

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increase their fire budget in order to

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uh make this plan work. We do not need

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to increase our budget to make this plan

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work. We're going to we use the existing

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uh budget that we have now. So, we don't

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have anything going to vote right now

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because we're not asking for a

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millillage to support this plan.

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>> How much millage do you know that each

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of the townships are asking? They have

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very low budgets is why I'm asking that

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before. They 288,000 were 1.3 million.

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>> So,

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there is that form. Uh, I believe it's

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under the resources on the website and

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it says millillage details on it with

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that, but it's wrong right now because

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it has Massie Township on it. I spoke

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with Mr. Bradford today. He's reworking

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the numbers and we hope to have the

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brand new one on there by the end of

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this week.

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» Yes.

486
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>> What was the reason given by Manasty

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Township for withdrawing from the

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authority?

489
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>> Um, I did not get a reason. I got a

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phone call from Mr.

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uh told me that, you know, they had a

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meeting, they decided to withdraw from

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the um the authority. He said he would

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follow it up with a letter. Um not sure.

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I I didn't receive a letter, but that's

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the only communication that I had with

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Manacey Township.

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>> Okay.

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>> What the minimum it' be sustainable for?

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Like we have four remaining ones. Have

501
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you like say two of them want it and

502
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then the other two do not? Yeah, we we

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do have different budgets in that of

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what it would look like in that and

505
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really what it is when we do have those

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it would be sustainable with um Stronic,

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Filer and um the city and that and we we

508
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have looked at the different models and

509
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really all of them um are sustainable.

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What it as far as daily operations the

511
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meat and potatoes is is the capital

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improvement in the capital plan. So with

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reduced amount of people um in this

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contributing it changes the capital plan

515
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not necessarily the operations plan.

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Do

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>> you have a question Jeff? Well, I guess

518
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the only question I've been you've shown

519
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us at least three times a lot of this

520
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information with different because the

521
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numbers change naturally as people move

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in and out and I know there's a certain

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group in the city who doesn't agree with

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this but I haven't really heard exactly

525
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a solid reason why like you know are

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they going to lose their jobs or they

527
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think this community is not going to be

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served and So, I'm I don't get it why. I

529
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just don't get it because you're clearly

530
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stated, you know, no no middle age, and

531
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that's one of the rumors I've heard.

532
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There's going to be a millage.

533
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I just I don't get it.

534
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>> I know. I agree.

535
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>> Do you have any insight?

536
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>> That's why I wondered why Manasty

537
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Township what their reasoning was

538
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because we're hearing all negative,

539
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>> right?

540
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>> As you can imagine.

541
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>> Yeah. And I I think what happened with I I don't know why Massie Township

542
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withdrawal really. Um but when that did

543
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what that did do is it slowed our public

544
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engagement down which was originally

545
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scheduled for August

546
00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,280
>> which didn't allow us to get our message

547
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,240
out which allowed a different message.

548
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:32,720
>> Yeah.

549
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,120
>> To to really maybe ruminate a little bit

550
00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:35,600
longer.

551
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,080
>> Yeah.

552
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,760
>> And that and um we we need to get the

553
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,679
website right and get our message out.

554
00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:44,640
Um I feel that this is a and that

555
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,159
>> would be good for people,

556
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:50,159
>> right? Jim, you said that you had the

557
00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:52,799
there was a similar proposal 13 years

558
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,960
ago or so. Do you have any insight? I

559
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,640
mean, you probably have more experience

560
00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,840
than someone like I do.

561
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,520
>> Well, they worked at the whole deal

562
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,360
before.

563
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:08,240
in your paperwork I read and it says

564
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,149
about

565
00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:13,919
using

566
00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:18,390
the uh axes

567
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,320
now you're saying you going to you're

568
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960
going to just use what you got. I mean

569
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,080
it doesn't consist same thing you got

570
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,640
here.

571
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,080
>> Can you just show me the front just

572
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,360
>> Well, I'll have to find you. That's what

573
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,240
I'm looking for.

574
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,679
>> Okay. But you're going to have a fire

575
00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:33,200
chief,

576
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520
deputy fire chief, operations chief,

577
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,559
fire marshal, clerical position. I mean,

578
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,760
we're talking a lot of money here,

579
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,240
>> right?

580
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,240
>> I can't believe that, you know, you're

581
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,960
going to just come in here with with

582
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,360
what we have and say that that's going

583
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,840
to equal out. I don't believe that there

584
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,760
has to be

585
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,520
taxes or something going up. And you

586
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,360
said it before. Yeah. when you talked

587
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,799
that we were going to see a tax

588
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,880
increase.

589
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,039
>> Okay. I think maybe the paper that you

590
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,720
have would have been maybe an original

591
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,159
white paper that I wrote in 2023 to

592
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,679
introduce the concept

593
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:12,080
>> revised 2026.

594
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,480
>> Okay.

595
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,159
>> I just ran it off.

596
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:16,559
>> Okay. So that would be the plan that was

597
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,159
just before Manacey Township's

598
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:20,159
withdrawal. Okay. So that would have

599
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,039
been So that is the plan that was on

600
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,520
there with Manasse Township in it. There

601
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,520
is going to be a revised plan with that

602
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760
reflects the withdrawal. But with that

603
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,600
plan that you have there with Madison

604
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,400
Township in it in that we did create a

605
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,960
budget that um we feel we've used

606
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,640
conservative budgeting numbers and the the budgeting in the plan did work.

607
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,880
>> So the public just needs to know that at

608
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,960
this point there's no intention of a

609
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,360
millage or tax increase or anything like

610
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:49,919
that.

611
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:51,039
>> Not in the city.

612
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:51,360
>> Okay.

613
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,400
>> In that but the other ones yes they did.

614
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,080
Yeah, they did have to put that out, but

615
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,440
in the city, no.

616
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,320
>> Okay.

617
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,360
>> So, Jim, there's a concern that with

618
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,320
increasing staffing, which is another

619
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,000
concern we've heard from our residents,

620
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,799
is that there is a decrease of staffing

621
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,039
or a decrease of availability of

622
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,200
services. But you have a concern that

623
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,080
with increasing of staffing that that

624
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,280
would be a problem.

625
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,520
>> Well, are you going to pay your deputy

626
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,240
chief? Are you going to pay him 35,000

627
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,400
or are you going to pay him

628
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,760
So seeing seeing how that's broken down

629
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,400
uh with a potential salary for each

630
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,000
potential position would help.

631
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,799
>> I think it is broken down at some point

632
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,520
some documentation I recall has it

633
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,400
broken down.

634
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:40,880
>> Okay.

635
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,200
>> But I think

636
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,280
>> the additional funds for additional

637
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,760
staff will happen if these millages

638
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,280
pass.

639
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,840
There's no additional funding from the

640
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,720
city for staff because we're all working

641
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,320
together.

642
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,039
We get more staff through the county

643
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,520
based

644
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,039
operating budget in there,

645
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,400
>> right? All budgets are projected, right?

646
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,120
>> Okay. So, there's a there's a staffing

647
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,880
concern that Manis will have too much

648
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,400
staff

649
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,080
for our fire department.

650
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,480
>> Well, I've already talked to some people

651
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,320
county and they said there were four

652
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,880
fire departments that they talked about

653
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,880
having they said there were no way would

654
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,960
they vote for something like that.

655
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,760
>> Okay.

656
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,919
>> Because now you're talking about putting

657
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,640
one man in on one man father. Do you

658
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,480
think that's going to cut the time down

659
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,440
when you have to go on a call?

660
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. So having a staffed fire

661
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
station right now um firefighters get on

662
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,559
the truck in under a minute. uh as on

663
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,880
the paid per call model that they use.

664
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,919
They respond from they carry pagers or

665
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:53,919
you an app on your telephone is really

666
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:56,400
popular now. Once a call comes in, they

667
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,520
respond to the station then um respond

668
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,440
to the call. So what we're doing is

669
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,360
we're reducing drive time to the station

670
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,360
for the paid per call. So we're getting

671
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,240
trucks out the door faster in that. But

672
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,320
one of the thing that I I I want to make

673
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,279
clear is that we still need in uh

674
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,679
volunteer firefighters desperately and

675
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:17,520
that they provide a very valuable

676
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,480
service and we need them. What it is is

677
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,240
a lot of these medical calls in the

678
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,080
increasing call volumes. There's a

679
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,200
burden on them and they are asked to do

680
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,360
a lot and it's hard to make those types

681
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,600
of time commitments. The ones that we

682
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,960
have are dedicated. We need them dearly

683
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,440
in that and this is a way to help have

684
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,840
some staff available to respond to a

685
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,679
little bit more of the redundant calls

686
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:44,400
to increase that. We still need the

687
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,559
volunteer response for this plan to

688
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,120
work. We need uh good dedicated

689
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,400
volunteers.

690
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,840
>> You're saying you're going to have 24

691
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,799
people. How many on duty at a time

692
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:59,520
>> in that? Okay. So the 20 it's it's two

693
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,400
people per station and that and there

694
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,720
was two people in the filer station, two

695
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,279
people in the Manaste station and that

696
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,200
plan that you had there had two people

697
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,400
in the um Manasty Township station and

698
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,799
two people in the OnClima station. So

699
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,760
that was eight people on per day. Three

700
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,240
different shifts is 24 total

701
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,159
firefighters. That was with that plan.

702
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:25,440
That's where you're losing people

703
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,480
because they can you can't get

704
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,679
volunteers. Now, how are you going to

705
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:32,320
put those volunteers? Uh when you got

706
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,000
paid people in town, now you're putting

707
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320
volunteers.

708
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120
Uh can these guys get off and work? A

709
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,720
lot of them at work all the time.

710
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,279
>> Yeah. So, what we're prescribing is

711
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,679
called uh commonly called a combination

712
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:49,360
style fire department where there's

713
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,520
combination full-time and combination

714
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,960
volunteer. It is a common model uh

715
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,360
within the United States of having both

716
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,960
a combination style department.

717
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,440
>> Okay. And here you got 16 full-time

718
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,000
firefighters and administration. So that

719
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080
means you or whoever is in

720
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,640
administration 15 paid encore

721
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,960
firefighters. Then you break it down

722
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,919
here to staffing city man six father six

723
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:23,440
three shronic none district wide 10.

724
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,279
And council member Gowski just want to

725
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,120
point out that's the old plan. The new

726
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,279
plan is what's stated there where it's

727
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,679
two on at the mast station, two on at

728
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,720
Filer, one on at Stronic. So that's an

729
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,039
obsolete plan and that's what we're

730
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,039
>> printed this off.

731
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:39,440
>> Yeah.

732
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,960
>> Where's the new one?

733
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,039
>> And I believe I sent that to council

734
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,000
about two weeks ago. I can resend that

735
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,679
and it'll be on the website by the end

736
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:51,200
of the week as well. So, it's

737
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000
>> I just don't see it working.

738
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,960
>> Jim, I I thank you for that opinion. Uh,

739
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,159
and I'm wondering if part of the reason

740
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,600
that some people can't see it working is

741
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,399
because that's the responsibility of not

742
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:08,960
this council of whether the whole thing

743
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,000
is going to work or not. So, I I really

744
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,240
appreciate you giving us uh information

745
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,640
about our citywide operations and the

746
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,360
decisions that need to be made here and

747
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,039
uh the options that we can present to

748
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,720
our neighbors and be the best neighbors

749
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,000
possible. Um I I just don't feel

750
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,919
comfortable skipping way down the road,

751
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:31,760
especially without something current in

752
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,520
front of me. and I really look forward

753
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,720
to attending on the 21st so that uh

754
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880
everyone can hear at the same time and

755
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,919
look at the same information and uh if

756
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:44,000
there's questions or concerns there

757
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600
they're brought forward with full

758
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080
transparency. So I really thank you for

759
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,159
this update but I'm going to be honest

760
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:53,120
I'm looking forward to having the

761
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,480
>> Okay.

762
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,799
>> Well, I'm waiting for that too. And

763
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,919
>> you know what people don't realize these

764
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:03,360
gentlemen have gone up to Arcadia

765
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,720
>> from so that leaves the city nothing

766
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,720
right now.

767
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,240
>> Arcadia we've been we've been ble I mean

768
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,720
I even ran as when I was on duty in

769
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,640
police but the thing is I didn't leave

770
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,559
the city empty. This is what we're

771
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,320
leaving. This was brought up by Mr.

772
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,600
Bachman years ago.

773
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,000
>> Okay.

774
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,039
>> And that's the

775
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:23,760
>> same thing.

776
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,440
>> And if I may that's the whole impetus of

777
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,159
this is that council kept asking why we

778
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:29,919
keep responding out of the city. And the

779
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:32,320
idea with this working with um Chief

780
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,760
Hearnen was to add capacity to backfill

781
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,399
to have full-time to cover. There are

782
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:39,760
going to be instances where we have to

783
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,480
do mutual aid, but the idea is to add

784
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960
full-time capacity so that those people

785
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,279
can stay in the city and respond in the

786
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,600
city. So really, this is kind of a

787
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,760
response to those those questions you

788
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,440
had, Mr. Gowski, about how we're going

789
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,399
to um address this situation with our

790
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,640
firefighters leaving town. It's other

791
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880
communities chipping in to add full-time

792
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,120
staffing so that our our firefighters

793
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
can protect the people in the city,

794
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,600
>> you know, and then then sometimes when

795
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,640
our guys go out, then we got to call in

796
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,799
somebody else. I mean, you know, I

797
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,720
understand you're you're you're talking,

798
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,240
but the thing is then you send somebody

799
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,240
else in here. We have to wait. My

800
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,840
father-in-law was having heart attacks

801
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,600
and we had to wait for Welston to get

802
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720
here for another 40 minutes. So you

803
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,000
ain't telling me nothing new about

804
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,600
running out in the county and you guys

805
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,840
have been out out in Oxy,

806
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,640
>> right? And with

807
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,039
>> this why I'm concerned about this

808
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,320
>> we're going to be running all over the

809
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,600
place. You're going to have two people

810
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,880
all over.

811
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760
>> But the problem is when that somebody

812
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,000
gets busy from

813
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,279
>> and somebody else has got to go up and

814
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:44,960
cover their shift and you got to

815
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520
somebody else is open. So you still have

816
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,360
it open for you like it or not.

817
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,880
>> Yeah. And I I think that's

818
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,559
representative of the increased call

819
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,080
volume that we're seeing everywhere. And

820
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,320
also one of the things that you mind is,

821
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,760
you know, we we talked about the mutual

822
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,000
aid. We requested aid 40 times into our

823
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,559
city. And out of that 40 times, eight 70

824
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,360
to 80% of those times it's medical calls

825
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320
that we're requesting aid in for. So

826
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,320
that's roughly averaging about once a

827
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
week we're asking for an ambulance to

828
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720
come in and take care of our residents.

829
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,640
That's because our our current ambulance

830
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,159
is busy right now. So, one resident is

831
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,080
receiving service from our ambulance and

832
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,080
the next resident isn't. It's receiving

833
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,039
from a a private ambulance. When they

834
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,120
receive a service from the private

835
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,880
ambulance, they're getting a bill for

836
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,039
it. And that so we have one resident

837
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,000
receiving a bill, one resident not. By

838
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,600
creating this authority and having

839
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,360
additional ambulances available,

840
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600
there'll be authority ambulances. So,

841
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,000
there won't be a bill. they will be uh

842
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,519
built the same.

843
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,600
>> So you're saying that if if the people

844
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,919
from the city have to call an ambulance,

845
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:55,519
no matter where they're coming from,

846
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:56,960
they aren't going to get built.

847
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960
>> If it's an authority ambulance, they're

848
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,760
operating the same way we operate in the

849
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,240
city.

850
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,840
>> I want to I want to put that down in red

851
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,000
because that's a lot of people concerned

852
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,720
about that.

853
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. Put that red.

854
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,159
>> Well, I'll wait till the 21st. I have no

855
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:15,200
more questions.

856
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,399
>> Okay. Thank you.

857
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:19,750
>> Thanks, Chief.

858
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,440
» Consideration of local revenue sharing

859
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,279
board grant applications. Local revenue

860
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,399
sharing board LRSB distributes 2% money

861
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:27,760
from the Little River Casino. The

862
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,760
deadline for the 2026 cycle 2

863
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,159
applications is Friday, September 11th,

864
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,720
2026 by 5:00 p.m. City staff have

865
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,080
prepared two grant applications for

866
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,679
submission to the local revenue sharing

867
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:39,919
board. This agenda item will include two

868
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:41,760
separate motions, one for each grant

869
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,200
application.

870
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,799
First one is at this time council will

871
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,559
take action to authorize a submission of

872
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,320
a grant application to the local revenue

873
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,000
sharing board for the fire district in

874
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,559
the amount of $4,990

875
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,760
for video laroscopes. This is a mot. Is

876
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,000
there a motion?

877
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,279
>> Motion support.

878
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,710
Any discussion?

879
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Would you please take a vote?

880
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,840
>> Council member Radits.

881
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,399
>> Yes.

882
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:09,600
>> Mayor Prom Smith.

883
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,240
>> Yes.

884
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,279
>> Council member Laskkey.

885
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,799
>> Yes. Mayor Sullivan,

886
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:13,519
>> yes.

887
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:14,640
>> Council member Kek,

888
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,120
>> yes.

889
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,399
>> Council member Gabowski,

890
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:16,799
>> yes.

891
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,080
>> Council member Ruska,

892
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,480
>> yes.

893
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:26,070
>> Motion approved.

894
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,000
» I just wrote all over mine. I can't read

895
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,919
it. Okay. At this time, council take

896
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,760
action to authorize the submission of a

897
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,279
grant application to the local revenue

898
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,799
sharing board for the police department

899
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,789
in the amount of $28,69041

900
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,960
for the beach warning lights. Is there a

901
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,799
motion? Thank you.

902
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,240
>> I'll make a motion again.

903
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,840
>> Is there a second?

904
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,760
>> I'll second.

905
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,960
>> Any discussion?

906
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,279
>> I just have one question. If we don't

907
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,279
get this revenue sharing grant, what's

908
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,039
your plan B?

909
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:56,240
>> We're going to have to work in the

910
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,600
budget for a capital improvement

911
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,039
project. Something that expensive.

912
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:01,919
>> Yeah,

913
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,720
>> there are some other grants out there

914
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,080
working with the Coast Guard the last

915
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,840
three years. I don't know if I can

916
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,280
wiggle I shouldn't say wig. they don't

917
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,200
know this would qualify for a port

918
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,440
security grant based on my conversations

919
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,960
with them. So it's either explore

920
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,599
alternative funding sources or put the

921
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,119
capital improvement plan or combination

922
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:25,119
of both. So this this this these grant

923
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,520
funds if they're awarded gives us five

924
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
years sustainability and a 10-year

925
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,960
warranty for lights which is the most

926
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,399
expensive thing.

927
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,320
>> Josh, are these taking the the waste of

928
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,639
those lights that are on the buildings?

929
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,560
>> These are going to replace those. So,

930
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,159
what this includes is we have four

931
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,639
lights, right? Two in each building and

932
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,040
brand new lights which come with a

933
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,440
10-year warranty. There's improvements

934
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440
to the lights. I talked to the engineer.

935
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,639
I can't regurgitate all the

936
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,839
improvements, but they're more visible

937
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:55,839
um different lighting system, but

938
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,079
reality is if we can get this these

939
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,960
funds, it's five years of maintenance

940
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,640
parts and then 10 year warranties for

941
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,839
the lights. Lights are the most

942
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:05,680
expensive. The lights are about five

943
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,960
grand a piece. And so we're getting into

944
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
I think we bought these in 21 or 22.

945
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,680
We're getting to the end of their

946
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,040
original life cycle, which is five

947
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,280
years. These new lights, their life

948
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,119
cycle is 10 years. So we're trying to

949
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,800
look down the road and find a way to

950
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,160
sustain this long term.

951
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,359
>> Now, where are you going to put these

952
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:22,720
lights?

953
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,040
>> Well, council member, last category, my

954
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,560
intent is to put them where they

955
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,000
currently are, replacing those, but I'd

956
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000
like to listen to the park's opinion on

957
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,200
if there's a better place on the

958
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,480
building, they're more visible.

959
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,320
>> Yeah. Those lights I'm very I mean, a

960
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,599
lot of people tell me they don't even

961
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,200
see them. Yeah. So here, so that's a

962
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,440
great point. So these were

963
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,599
state-ofthe-art four years ago, right?

964
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,320
>> Yeah.

965
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,040
>> They're LED, which are very visible from

966
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,000
here, but as you deviate x%, whatever it

967
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,040
is, LED is not so visible. So these

968
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,800
lights, the new and improved lights are

969
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920
more visible from a higher degree of

970
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,520
whatever. Does that make sense? I'm not

971
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,599
doing a great job there. But so our our

972
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,359
beach lights while we end up buying two

973
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,760
for building is from a long way away. As

974
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,920
long as you're at that cone, very

975
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,520
visible. Kids can see them from the

976
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,520
period, we can see them. But when you

977
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,839
get too far sideways, they aren't as

978
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:13,599
visible. These new lights are more

979
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,400
visible. A wider cone, I would call it.

980
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,400
>> Is it possible to put them on a roof?

981
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,480
>> I think anything's possible. I don't

982
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,400
know how visible those would be.

983
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:24,960
>> Yeah.

984
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,280
>> So

985
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,440
>> because I told you when we was up last

986
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,920
time. I said people don't see them.

987
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,480
>> Yeah,

988
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,480
>> that's about time we move them.

989
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,240
>> So, if council approves this grant

990
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,640
application and then if we get award the

991
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,359
grant funds, I think in that time go to

992
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:41,920
the parks, get some input where we've

993
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,760
had these lights for four years, are

994
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,280
they okay where they're at? Are there a

995
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,560
better place for them? We can always

996
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,520
review those things.

997
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,280
>> I wish both of the applicants luck.

998
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,400
>> Thanks, Chief.

999
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,800
>> Thank you.

1000
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,320
>> Anybody else? Heather, would you please

1001
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,200
take role?

1002
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,720
>> Council member Resga,

1003
00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:59,280
>> yes.

1004
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,720
>> Council member Gowski,

1005
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:01,359
>> yes.

1006
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:02,800
>> Council member Kek,

1007
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,520
>> yes.

1008
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,400
>> Mayor Sullivan,

1009
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:04,960
>> yes.

1010
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,160
>> Council member Laskkey,

1011
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:06,640
>> yes.

1012
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,839
>> Mayor Prom Smith,

1013
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:08,480
>> yes.

1014
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,760
>> Council member Radits,

1015
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,320
>> yes.

1016
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,119
>> Motion approved.

1017
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:12,560
>> Thank you. Consideration of authorizing

1018
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,400
a contract and a change order number one

1019
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,480
with Mullen Construction for the fire

1020
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,240
station site improvements. Several

1021
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,320
parking lot several parking lot and site

1022
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,839
improvement projects were recently bid

1023
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:24,720
out uh including Duffy Parking lot,

1024
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,079
Morton Parking lot and fire station site

1025
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,680
improvements. The city received two bids

1026
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440
for the project. Only the fire station

1027
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,680
site improvements were within the city's

1028
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,760
budget and reasonably aligned with the

1029
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,520
engineers estimate. Therefore, the staff

1030
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,040
recommends proceeding with the fire

1031
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,119
station site improvement at this time

1032
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,839
while evaluating value value engineering

1033
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,079
options for the two parking lot projects

1034
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,800
or alternately they may be rebid at a

1035
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,720
later date. At this time, council could

1036
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,400
authorize contract with Mullen

1037
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Construction, Inc. for the fire station

1038
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,160
site improvement and proof change order

1039
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
number one to remove the parking lot

1040
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,560
work from the contract. Is there a

1041
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,710
motion?

1042
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,000
No motion. Okay. Moving

1043
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920
on. Consideration of appointing police

1044
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,440
chief

1045
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Josh Glass as harbor master. City

1046
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,359
ordinance requires city council to

1047
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,280
appoint a harbor master. The city

1048
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,880
manager recommends appointing police

1049
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,960
chief Josh Glass. At this time, council

1050
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,280
take action to appoint police chief Josh

1051
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,960
Glass as harbor master. Is there a

1052
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,920
motion?

1053
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,040
>> I'll make that motion.

1054
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,400
>> I'll second.

1055
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,880
>> Any discussion?

1056
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,079
>> You want it again, Josh?

1057
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,560
>> You want it again? I haven't had it uh

1058
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,480
initially but just talking to other

1059
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,920
police chiefs come full circle

1060
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,440
chief hornleold chief cold and house back uh if you

1061
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,359
graciously appoint this to me chief

1062
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:49,839
glass

1063
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:50,720
>> chief

1064
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,240
>> I am willing and honored to accept the

1065
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,839
additional responsibility to serve the

1066
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:55,520
community

1067
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,839
>> thank you chief thanks would you please

1068
00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:58,560
take role

1069
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,839
>> council member Ratitz

1070
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:00,480
>> yes

1071
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,839
>> mayor prom Smith

1072
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:02,320
>> yes

1073
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,520
>> council member Laski

1074
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:03,920
>> yes

1075
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,280
>> mayor Sullivan Yes.

1076
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,240
>> Council member Kek.

1077
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:06,640
>> Yes.

1078
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,000
>> Council member Gowski.

1079
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,400
>> Yes.

1080
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,520
>> Council member Ruska.

1081
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:09,920
>> Yes.

1082
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,440
>> Motion approved.

1083
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,599
>> And now we will have a report on the

1084
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,839
Mast County Historical Museum and

1085
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:17,760
Historic District Commission. Mr. Mark

1086
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,150
Feder.

1087
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,400
» All right. Uh hi everyone. I'm back

1088
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,480
again for another year uh to talk about

1089
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880
the thrilling and exciting world of

1090
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,040
local history. Uh happy to be here as

1091
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
always. uh talking very briefly about

1092
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,640
the historic district commission as well

1093
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320
as what we do, what we've been up to at

1094
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,400
the museum within the last year. Uh so

1095
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,000
getting started uh with the historic

1096
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,880
district commission uh uh in terms of

1097
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,720
the museum uh we work with potential

1098
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,800
building owners, business owners, uh

1099
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,960
planning and zoning department, uh

1100
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,880
environmental specialists on researching

1101
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,640
various aspects of historic buildings

1102
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,200
here within the city um and within the

1103
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200
historic district itself. Um this

1104
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,119
includes, you know, when was your proper

1105
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,200
or when was the building built? uh you

1106
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,520
know, who built it, who occupied it, uh

1107
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,960
what's the history of the property, what

1108
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,480
was on there before, was there a fire

1109
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,320
there, uh was there something underneath

1110
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,119
it potentially? Um and so we use a lot

1111
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,960
of different aspect, a lot of different

1112
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,560
sources to attempt to find this

1113
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,480
information. Uh building abstracts,

1114
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
newspapers, city directories, maps,

1115
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,839
aerial views, uh photos, phone books,

1116
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,320
etc., etc., scrapbooks, uh whatever we

1117
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,320
can find, uh that will help us answer

1118
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,720
those questions. Uh sometimes it takes a

1119
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,320
couple hours, sometimes it takes a

1120
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,480
couple days, and sometimes it takes a

1121
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,920
couple of weeks to try to hunt all this

1122
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160
stuff down. Uh so, uh it can be a lot of

1123
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,160
fun, and it can be very frustrating. Um

1124
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
uh uh in the same in the same breath, um

1125
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960
a couple I'm not going to go over all of

1126
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,800
the uh all of the certificates of

1127
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,160
appropriateness that the historic

1128
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,359
district commission um uh uh approved

1129
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:53,680
over the last year. Uh altogether, I

1130
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,520
believe it was 17 certificates of

1131
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,599
appropriateness. Uh this is roughly

1132
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,720
average uh for what the the HDC does. Um

1133
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,000
a couple of the pro couple of the

1134
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,680
buildings that uh the the HD HDC spent a

1135
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,119
lot of time on and a lot of discussion

1136
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,240
on as well as um uh some of the uh time

1137
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,040
that uh the museum spent on uh were um

1138
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
this building here at 385 River Street.

1139
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,720
The piping clover uh that uh frontage

1140
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,119
was put on in the 1960s. uh they've

1141
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,560
taken that off and I think anybody who's

1142
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,000
driven by that or walked by that of

1143
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,839
recently uh they've done a really great

1144
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:28,240
job of it and uh uh really happy to see

1145
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,400
that they've put a lot of TLC into their

1146
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,280
building. It looks terrific. Um uh of

1147
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,440
course uh uh the HDC has had a lot of

1148
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,119
discussion on uh this building, the

1149
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,280
Hotel Northern over the last couple

1150
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,000
years. Uh it continued on to this year.

1151
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,319
Um and at the museum we recently

1152
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:46,079
approved some paint colors that will go

1153
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,760
along with it. Again, I think anybody

1154
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,280
who's driven by this building has gone,

1155
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
"Holy cow, this really looks great." Um,

1156
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,800
uh, uh, in all of our combined, well,

1157
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,240
maybe not combined, but all of our

1158
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,280
lifetimes um uh has always looked a

1159
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,680
little a little odd. Uh, but, uh,

1160
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,680
they've done a phenomenal job with it.

1161
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,240
And that cool, um, Hotel Northern

1162
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,640
painted, um, mural or not mural, but

1163
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,160
sign there on the side of the building

1164
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,400
is still there today. Um, and is still

1165
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,240
exposed. And just kind of one of those

1166
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,880
cool things for anybody who's nostalgic

1167
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
about this sign. Um it is currently on

1168
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040
display at the museum. So if you want to

1169
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,440
come by and pay homage to it or genulect

1170
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,680
um by it, you are more than welcome to.

1171
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,079
Um several a couple years ago they asked

1172
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,040
if we wanted this sign. And of course uh

1173
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,079
perspective plays a role. Uh not to me.

1174
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,760
Uh but I was standing on the street and

1175
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,040
they said, "You want the sign?" And I

1176
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,640
said, "Yes." And then when they showed

1177
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,040
up, uh city workers showed up uh uh this

1178
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,599
March to drop it off. Um, my mouth fell

1179
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,200
to the ground and where am I gonna put

1180
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
this thing? Um, there it sits right now

1181
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,480
at the museum. It'll probably be there

1182
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,000
till the end of the year. So, come on by

1183
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160
and and pay homage to it. Uh,

1184
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,200
regardless, uh, uh, uh, the the HDC

1185
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,359
spent a lot of time um, uh, figuring

1186
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:58,640
this uh, building out and all the

1187
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,040
specifics and, um, again, it looks

1188
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,079
really great. I also spent a lot of time

1189
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,160
uh with a new building owner here at 348

1190
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920
River Street earlier this year, wanting

1191
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,280
to know all about the history of that

1192
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,680
building, what used to be uh what it

1193
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,599
used to be when it was built. Again,

1194
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,319
photographs of it. Um also spent a

1195
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:17,520
couple days researching all that

1196
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,240
information for them. Um hopefully uh in

1197
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,839
the near future there'll be um some

1198
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,160
activity there. Um uh as well as this

1199
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,839
building at 340 River Street, the new

1200
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:28,319
occupants, the new owners of it. Uh we

1201
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:31,359
spent a lot of time uh between uh uh HTC

1202
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,280
planning and zoning museum researching

1203
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,440
the building and and uh going over their

1204
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,040
plans for it. Um again um uh um with the

1205
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,880
HTC, you know, there's, you know,

1206
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,280
signage and paint colors and ex all the

1207
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,760
exterior work and doors and windows and

1208
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,079
all that really great fun stuff um uh

1209
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,359
that uh the HDC kind of pours over and

1210
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,920
several dedicated members to that uh

1211
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839
that want to see um that history

1212
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,240
continue on. um uh it's unique and it's

1213
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,319
special to the community. Um so we all

1214
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:02,319
kind of want to see it um continue on

1215
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:03,839
over the years. So a lot of time, a lot

1216
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:05,359
of energy, a lot of discussion goes into

1217
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:11,760
it. Um and and poor Jerry over there uh has to hear all of it. So um uh but

1218
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,319
anywh who um uh we're very happy to

1219
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:15,920
continue on with our relationship with

1220
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,440
the HDC. So uh in terms of the museum,

1221
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,800
from August 2025 uh to this July, we had

1222
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,440
159 visitors. Uh that's a a little bit

1223
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,200
more than average about 30 or 40 more

1224
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,839
than average. Um uh which is great uh to

1225
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:31,760
have all that activity down there. Uh we

1226
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
had 49 researchers over over that time

1227
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,319
period. That's about average. Uh these

1228
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:38,560
are people coming from uh nobody from

1229
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,720
around the world this year. Uh but

1230
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,400
people coming within the United States

1231
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,240
to come to Manaste to come to the museum

1232
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,400
to do this research. I had people uh

1233
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,160
earlier this year as as far away as

1234
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Seattle and Southern California uh to

1235
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,400
spend a couple days here and we get I

1236
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,000
get to know them and get to know their

1237
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,359
families and get to know their stories.

1238
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:56,640
So that's kind of one of the fun aspects

1239
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,280
that we do in terms of genealogy. Uh

1240
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,960
have had uh a really interesting

1241
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,240
increase. I've been with the museum for

1242
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,040
almost 20 years. Um and and in all my

1243
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,640
years there um it seems to be an

1244
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,400
increase of new property owners, new

1245
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,079
building owners that bought a house in

1246
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,079
Manacey and and want to know the history

1247
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,720
of it. Um uh so there's been a

1248
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:15,920
significant increase in that which is

1249
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,760
really great to see. Um people want to

1250
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,960
know the history of it and want to know

1251
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,839
if somebody died there um have a seance

1252
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:23,839
or whatever they want to do with it. Um

1253
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,760
but regardless uh it's always fun to

1254
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,440
meet those people and get to know them a

1255
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,800
little bit and get to know those

1256
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,960
properties. I in turn learned something

1257
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,760
as well as they do. Uh so um always a

1258
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,359
lot of fun to to delve into all that

1259
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,760
research aspect of it. Uh couple of the

1260
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,440
community projects that we've been up to

1261
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,000
over the last year. Uh back in January,

1262
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
uh we got the great news that Manasty

1263
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,520
Fire Station was put on the National

1264
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Register. Uh several years, uh a couple

1265
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,400
years ago, uh Chief H. Hearnden, uh

1266
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,560
former Manasty Firefighter Fred La Point

1267
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,920
and Sarah Herburgger from the Manasty

1268
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,319
County Foundation, uh kind of met and

1269
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:58,880
decided to pursue this venture. And uh

1270
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,720
we're we're really pleased that uh we

1271
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,800
got put on the National Register. And

1272
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,319
that means a lot for the uh for the

1273
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:05,920
building and I think for the community.

1274
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,240
The building looks really great, too. Um

1275
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,880
uh we uh did the uh uh we did a lot of

1276
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,400
the information and the photographs for

1277
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,480
the first phase of the new history based

1278
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,720
signage on the Riverwalk in River Street

1279
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,000
uh that was installed uh late last year.

1280
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Hope to continue on with that um as time

1281
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640
goes on, but it looks it's it's got all

1282
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,240
the cool historical information and the

1283
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,400
cool historic photo. Uh and it's got

1284
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,079
kind of a modern vibe to it and it's I

1285
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,280
think it looks really great and I'm

1286
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,960
really excited about that. Uh for

1287
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
several years we uh toiled away on the

1288
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,240
uh mapped the Manary public schools uh generations project. Um we finally

1289
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,440
decided what to do with that old bell

1290
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,880
that was sitting outside the waterworks

1291
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,119
building uh for almost 70 years and

1292
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,880
there it sits outside the the Manasty

1293
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,720
Elementary building now. Um so that was

1294
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,560
a really fun project and took a long

1295
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,640
time but uh very pleased with that as

1296
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,599
well. Uh we've been um having a lot of

1297
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:57,359
conversation uh from from the museum

1298
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,359
side of things uh with the Smith family

1299
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:02,079
at uh 99 Pine Street. Last year it was

1300
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,680
put on the the house was put on the

1301
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,960
state register. Uh we've continued that

1302
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,119
conversation with them. Um they have

1303
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,880
some very um ambitious but very uh

1304
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,880
interesting and kind of very cool plans

1305
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,760
for the property and if that becomes a

1306
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,000
reality at some point down the road that

1307
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,440
would be a very significant attraction

1308
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,599
for for the city. Um uh so we've been

1309
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,680
continuing that conversation what kind

1310
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
of role the museum can play um uh with

1311
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,720
developing that. Um uh and it's it's

1312
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,319
really been a lot of fun um chatting

1313
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,000
with them. So hopefully that'll be a

1314
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,640
thing in in the not too distant future.

1315
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,319
Um uh we've uh done a lot of the um uh

1316
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,160
photographs and been involved in some of

1317
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,680
the design work and um uh the historical

1318
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,640
information for the uh uh journeys

1319
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,960
project. Uh I think Sammy from the

1320
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,480
visitor center has spoken with you about

1321
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,599
that or spoken with some of the

1322
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,680
commissions about it. um that'll be kind

1323
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,839
of history based or portions of it will

1324
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,440
and so we provide a lot of information

1325
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,440
for that continue to do so and have kind

1326
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,640
of h a hand in that work. Um we also

1327
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,880
were uh involved in the Manasty Chamber

1328
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,119
Leadership Program for History Day. We

1329
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,040
toured the museum and did a trolley tour

1330
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,280
and and a walking tour and all that

1331
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,040
great stuff. Um now it's always a lot of

1332
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,560
fun to to to get involved with a lot of

1333
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,160
those people who don't know of the cool

1334
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,560
history aspects of Manaste. Um we were

1335
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,400
involved uh at the big lighthouse

1336
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,559
dedication here on Memorial Day. Um and

1337
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,960
of course the museum uh are the former

1338
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,839
managers of the um lighthouse and we

1339
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:32,000
were very uh happy and more ways than

1340
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,440
one to kind of hand that off to lakes

1341
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,280
shoreke keepers. Uh I don't know if all

1342
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,720
of you have gone up there but it's it's really cool and it's they've

1343
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,760
had a great um ad uh visitorship over

1344
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,079
the last several months and uh we're

1345
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,960
very happy to play a a a role in in kind

1346
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200
of handing that off. Um very pleased

1347
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,720
with that. They've done a great job out

1348
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,559
there. Um uh and we've also been

1349
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,079
involved in a couple bus tours. People

1350
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,319
of course uh on the big uh Greyhound

1351
00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:58,000
buses come in and do a tour of Manasty

1352
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,680
and it's always kind of fun to see

1353
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
people working in their yards on Cedar

1354
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,559
Street and all of a sudden this big bus

1355
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,200
is in front and and I'm uh uh talk

1356
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,480
yelling about history to all these

1357
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,680
people on this bus. Um uh anyways uh did

1358
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,599
a couple of those uh over the last year

1359
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,359
or so. Um always a lot of fun. Oh, I

1360
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,680
kind of overshot that a little bit. Uh

1361
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,880
did several lectures throughout the

1362
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,240
year. These are some of the these are at

1363
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,079
least four of them that we did. Uh we

1364
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,839
talked to the parks commission about the

1365
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:25,200
history of Reeds Park. We had a fun

1366
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,119
night kind of hashing that out and who

1367
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,599
Mr. Reach was and how Re Park became a

1368
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,240
thing. Uh uh I gave that talk again at

1369
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,640
this at the Wagner Center back in July.

1370
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,440
Um I did a a program with the near and

1371
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,119
far friends in OnCA and I've done

1372
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:40,640
several programs with the Many County

1373
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,960
Library. Um some of their summer reading

1374
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,440
programs as well as kind of a Halloween

1375
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,599
walk through the museum. Um uh in 1976,

1376
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,680
my predecessor, Steve Harold, began a

1377
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,359
weekly history column with the Manasty

1378
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:57,280
News Advocate. He always told me that was the one of the most important

1379
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,119
ways to get the community at large

1380
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,760
involved or interested in local history.

1381
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,319
50 years later, uh I continued uh that

1382
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:07,440
tradition and that's roughly over 2500

1383
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,280
uh articles of Many history that have

1384
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,440
been public published uh within 50

1385
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640
years. Um, so that's always a fun thing

1386
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,559
to do and to try to come up with that

1387
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,359
article on a on a weekly basis. Um, uh,

1388
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,440
to continue on with that, I do the daily

1389
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,200
looking back column uh, in the news

1390
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,720
advocate, everything that happened in

1391
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,440
Manaste 20, 40, 60, 80 years ago. Um,

1392
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,480
and again, a way to engage the public

1393
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,200
um, uh, in local history.

1394
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,960
Um, uh, in terms of the future at the

1395
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,559
museum, we are continuing our work with

1396
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,559
Hopkins Burns Design Studio out of Ann

1397
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,960
Arbor. uh they done they did uh the

1398
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,880
preservation study of the building and

1399
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,319
we're almost to the end of that phase

1400
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:47,119
out master plan. Uh after that the fund

1401
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,200
starts uh we're with grants and funding

1402
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,119
and so on and so forth uh to help

1403
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,359
preserve the building uh to update it uh

1404
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,680
in certain in certain parts um and to

1405
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,000
kind of keep that uh keep that uh keep

1406
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,079
that building down there alive. Uh it's

1407
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,599
very unique and very special especially

1408
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,920
the visitors who come in um and so we

1409
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,640
hope to continue on um um doing that in

1410
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,760
the future and this will be a part of

1411
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,119
it. So hopefully by the end of the year

1412
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,920
we'll have we'll have that master plan

1413
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,280
uh all all done. Uh I rambled through

1414
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,559
that pretty quick. Are there any

1415
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,960
questions uh you have for me uh uh in

1416
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,160
regards to the historic district

1417
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,359
commission or in regards to the museum?

1418
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:25,760
>> Well, I think you do a good job. I think

1419
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,839
>> I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you.

1420
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:29,440
>> And I mean you've helped us out helped

1421
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,960
me out a lot.

1422
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,079
>> Happy to do it. Yeah.

1423
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,760
>> Talk he gives for the parks. We started

1424
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,599
and it's an annual talk. you have been

1425
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,839
to it, you are missing a treasure. It's

1426
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:40,240
not only historically accurate, it's

1427
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:40,960
very entertaining.

1428
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,920
>> Oh, well, thank you. Yeah,

1429
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,119
>> it's history entertaining.

1430
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,920
>> Yeah, I I I try I sat through a lot of

1431
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,319
uh uh adult dull uh college lectures, so

1432
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,160
I try to throw a little fun into it or

1433
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,240
at least attempt to. Anyways,

1434
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,400
>> I really appreciate the looking back.

1435
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,040
>> Yeah.

1436
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,000
>> No, I ages to my She can look at those.

1437
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,480
But you had a picture of my mother as a

1438
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,359
cheerleader.

1439
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:05,920
>> Oh. grand kids were very impressed.

1440
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,440
>> Oh, that's great. That's great. Great.

1441
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,119
That's always a lot of fun. You wouldn't

1442
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:10,480
be the first person to mention that to

1443
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,160
something similar to that to me, but

1444
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,000
that's always fun to kind of bring that

1445
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,240
out.

1446
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,359
>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

1447
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:16,960
>> And that's hard to write an article week

1448
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,880
after week consistently to find new

1449
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,040
topics, make it interesting, and to make

1450
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,040
it lengthy and cover it all and done.

1451
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,720
Good job. You have continued it.

1452
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,800
>> Appreciate that. Thank you very much.

1453
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,319
>> Great. Thank you so much every

1454
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,040
appreciate it.

1455
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,160
>> Thank you.

1456
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,440
>> Citizens comment. This an opportunity

1457
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,200
for citizens in attendance to comment on

1458
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,960
municipal services activities or areas

1459
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,720
of city involvement limited to five

1460
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,079
minutes. Letter submitted to council

1461
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:46,710
will not be publicly

1462
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:48,800
council. My name is Jordan La Point.

1463
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,559
Mayor and members of city council. I'm

1464
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:51,920
standing before you tonight because I

1465
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,599
feel that for far too long only one side

1466
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,599
of the story has been heard. The issues

1467
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,040
within the Manasty Fire Department did

1468
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960
not begin with recent resignations, and

1469
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960
they did not begin with a small group of

1470
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,359
agitators. They began much earlier. In

1471
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:05,200
July of 2025, the union was finally

1472
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,119
looped in on the fire district proposal.

1473
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:08,640
The next day, the fire chief and city

1474
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,240
manager attempted to reprimand using

1475
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,079
Union President, Captain Brent Haskin

1476
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:13,760
for word spoken during that protected

1477
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,680
meeting. Around the same time,

1478
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,599
disparaging remarks were made by those

1479
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,040
involved at city hall about the

1480
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,319
volunteer firefighters in our

1481
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:22,079
surrounding communities. firefighters

1482
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,240
who are our neighbors, our friends, and

1483
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,160
the very people we depend on in mutual

1484
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040
aid. Then, in the fall of 2025, Captain

1485
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,640
Chris Jeff was written up by the fire

1486
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,720
chief for allegedly falsifying training

1487
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,240
records. Yet, on those very records,

1488
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,400
next to Captain Jeff name, it clearly

1489
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,240
stated that he did not attend. The

1490
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,000
reason, his grandfather was actively

1491
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,079
dying, the man who was his father figure

1492
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,720
in his life. Despite that, Captain Jeff

1493
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,160
was accused of falsifying records and

1494
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,119
was called a liar. In February of 2026,

1495
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,960
both myself and the union attempted

1496
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,640
twice to sit down with the mayor and

1497
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,480
simply have our side of the story heard.

1498
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,800
Those requests were adamantly refused.

1499
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,319
In March, the fire chief walked into

1500
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,160
city hall smiling as he fired Captain

1501
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Brett Haskin, a 15-year captain who

1502
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,599
dedicated a decade and a half to this

1503
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,680
community and its citizens. The same

1504
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,760
month, the union made a protected social

1505
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,440
media post drawing attention to what we

1506
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,280
believed was a hostile and toxic work

1507
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,800
environment created by the fire chief

1508
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,720
and city leadership. That was the final

1509
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:16,079
straw that led to additional federal

1510
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:17,680
unfair labor practice lawsuits being

1511
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,880
filed. Then comes July of 2026. The city

1512
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,319
settled the federal unfair labor

1513
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,000
practice outside of court. Captain

1514
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Haskin was paid 200% of his lost wages

1515
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,839
rather than returning to his position.

1516
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:29,440
Captain Jeffrey's discipline for

1517
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,359
supposedly falsifying records and lying

1518
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,520
was completely erased and I was given

1519
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,040
back two of the four days of unpaid

1520
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,480
suspension received over the protected

1521
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,640
union Facebook post. Those outcomes

1522
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,240
should have caused everyone in this room

1523
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,400
to ask an important question. Maybe the

1524
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,760
firefighters were actually telling the

1525
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
truth. Captain Jeff had also met

1526
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,599
separately with city manager Bill Gamble

1527
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,200
on two occasions and told him directly

1528
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,800
that he was actively looking for another

1529
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,079
job because of the hostile work

1530
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,520
environment he believed had been created

1531
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,599
by the fire chief and city management.

1532
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,440
In July, I took a part-time position at

1533
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,760
MMR to supplement my income and to

1534
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,200
continue to better my skills as a

1535
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,760
paramedic. In August, after actively

1536
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,440
looking for over a year, Captain Jeff

1537
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,040
interviewed for a supervisor position at

1538
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,960
MMR, a position that came with a pay

1539
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,280
raise of over $20,000.

1540
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Meanwhile, after receiving a total of

1541
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,800
nine days of unpaid suspension, being

1542
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,240
told I'd be moved shifts for the third

1543
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,160
time in a year, and facing the attempt

1544
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,680
to create what I believed would be an

1545
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,440
illegal military policy, I had finally

1546
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
had enough. I resigned. The day after I

1547
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,599
submitted my resignation, Captain Jeff

1548
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,280
was offered the position at MMR. He

1549
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,559
accepted then submitted his own

1550
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,480
resignation. There was no coordination

1551
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,960
to create a staffing crisis. MMR was not

1552
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,280
acting in bad faith. MMR was not being a

1553
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,280
bad neighbor. And MMR had absolutely

1554
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,720
nothing to do with my decision to leave

1555
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,800
the city man. My decision had everything

1556
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,240
to do with the hostile and toxic work

1557
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,760
environment that I experienced under

1558
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,839
fire chief Tom Hurden and city manager

1559
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:47,359
Bill Gamble. Two experienced

1560
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,040
firefighters did not simply wake up one

1561
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,799
morning and decide to abandon careers

1562
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,640
and a community that they care about. We

1563
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,480
spent months and in some cases a year

1564
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,079
trying to make things better, trying to

1565
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,280
be heard and trying to get the

1566
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,200
leadership to listen. Since Tom Hen's

1567
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,079
been hired, there's been seven

1568
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:01,920
resignations in one termination. That's

1569
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920
an alarming turnover. My only regret is

1570
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,440
that city council did not take the time

1571
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,799
to sit down and listen to the

1572
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:08,640
firefighters before accepting without

1573
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,319
question the version of events that was

1574
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:12,000
spoonfed to them by Tom Hearn and Bill

1575
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Gamble. You had firefighters telling you

1576
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,440
that there was a problem. You had people

1577
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,119
resigning. You had federal labor

1578
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:18,960
complaints. You had settlements. You had

1579
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,119
my violations. And still the people

1580
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,400
working inside that department were not

1581
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,920
listened to. I'm not here tonight

1582
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920
because I wanted to leave. I'm here

1583
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,920
because I wish I didn't have to. Thank

1584
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,640
you.

1585
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,359
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1586
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:35,910
Anybody

1587
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:49,990
else?

1588
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,880
» Dave Milky at 273

1589
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,359
6th Avenue.

1590
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:56,880
Um,

1591
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,480
I had made a previous request

1592
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,240
for action from the city council

1593
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:09,599
regarding the sign at the senior center.

1594
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,760
I'd like to see some action taken on

1595
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,920
that. In any response, I would like to

1596
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,230
have it in writing.

1597
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,200
Um, some other

1598
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,079
review items on the sign. It's still up

1599
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:29,440
as of a few days ago.

1600
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,119
Um,

1601
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,280
some of the statements that were made by

1602
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
the zoning person

1603
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,839
where they could put up an unlimited

1604
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:42,319
number of signs at the senior center as

1605
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:45,920
long as they met the size. I think it's

1606
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,480
3x3

1607
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,119
and

1608
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:55,760
If that's the case,

1609
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,680
um

1610
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,839
I I think that takes away from the

1611
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:03,280
character of the whole senior center.

1612
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,799
And another item that came up there is

1613
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:12,240
when they originally put the location

1614
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,599
signs at the senior center, there was

1615
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,880
only two signs allowed.

1616
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,440
So that had to go to the zoning board of

1617
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,280
appeals for the third sign.

1618
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,920
So I don't know if the zoning ordinance

1619
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,400
has changed where they can have an

1620
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,359
unlimited number of signs over there

1621
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,480
which doesn't make sense.

1622
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,910
Um,

1623
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,799
also some of the material I was supplied

1624
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,280
when they were reviewing this process

1625
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,839
through the permitting

1626
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:56,400
is there was never a a plan submitted

1627
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,839
for the the new sign over there.

1628
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:03,520
The original three signs all had

1629
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,359
engineering work done with those.

1630
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,440
Um,

1631
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,480
and where the sign is now,

1632
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,400
I don't think it's made out of stainless

1633
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,040
steel. It's made out of combustible

1634
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,559
material

1635
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,720
and it's nestled up under the eaves of

1636
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,559
the building.

1637
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,920
So I think there could be a a fire

1638
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,359
hazard thing there to

1639
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:34,400
consider also. And if you have unlimited

1640
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,319
number of signs,

1641
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,000
are they going to place them all under

1642
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,160
the eaves?

1643
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,799
So that's just my update and request for

1644
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:47,520
a written response. Thank you.

1645
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,119
>> Thank you. Anybody else?

1646
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,349
Mr. Gamble. Oh, I'm sorry.

1647
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:56,880
Good evening, city council and madame

1648
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,119
mayor. I'm Caitlyn Snay of 109 Cedar

1649
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,040
Street. I wanted to bring up my concerns

1650
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,119
in regard to the fire department. I'd

1651
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,119
like to share a fact. My father served

1652
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,480
that the local 645 proudly for 25 years.

1653
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,079
And during that time of service, he only

1654
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,640
saw two firefighters leave. And both of

1655
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,240
those reasons for leaving were personal

1656
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,920
outside of the fire department that the

1657
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,359
fire department wouldn't have been able

1658
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:19,920
to retain them in any way. With that

1659
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480
being said, I find it very ironic that

1660
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,000
we've had eight firefighters leave

1661
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
within the past two years with our

1662
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,920
current chief being in that role for the

1663
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,319
past three. This is an alarm going off,

1664
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,319
warning us that something is not right.

1665
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:33,599
It is time to have some hard

1666
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,839
conversations. I'm greatly disappointed

1667
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,680
with how the city manager and multiple

1668
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,359
of our council members have been talking

1669
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,359
about the city firefighter EMTs and

1670
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:42,799
paramedics, especially the ones that

1671
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,480
have just unfortunately recently

1672
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,720
resigned. I truly hope that you ask all

1673
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,559
the questions, learn what you can, and

1674
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,480
have conversations outside of just

1675
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,920
discussing these things with the city

1676
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,920
manager and the chief directly. I look

1677
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,440
forward to the meeting later this month

1678
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,200
and to get more information about the

1679
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,960
fire authority. I'm hoping that we

1680
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,799
actually get answers. Thank you for your

1681
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:01,119
time.

1682
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,200
>> Thank you. Else,

1683
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Mr. gamble.

1684
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,559
>> Um, I will just mention there were some

1685
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,559
facts left out of that statement by that

1686
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,559
former employee and I will say there

1687
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:13,920
were legitimate reasons for the

1688
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,319
discipline. There was a grievance file

1689
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:17,839
uh process that was followed and there

1690
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,680
was a settlement. So I would say it's

1691
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,000
time to move on

1692
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,839
>> and then we're going to also

1693
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:24,480
>> sorry

1694
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,160
>> I think we're also going to have we'll

1695
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,119
discuss more about the um parking lot

1696
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,799
determine council's priorities with that

1697
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:32,079
and move forward.

1698
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,920
>> Thank you. Ra

1699
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,079
>> um I guess I'm I think haven't we sent

1700
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,960
or you sent Mr. Gamble, Mr. Milky a

1701
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,000
reply in

1702
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:42,799
>> I have

1703
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,680
>> Okay. I just I thought so. I I know you

1704
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,799
sent us a copy of those.

1705
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:52,960
Um that's it. Nothing on the Rams.

1706
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:00,150
>> Mr. Kowski. Uh,

1707
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,200
Bill, you I sent you a letter reference

1708
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,200
to two gentlemen and I know in the

1709
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,109
ordinance or the

1710
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,480
city rules you hire and you can fire.

1711
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,720
Um,

1712
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,880
we now with the removal of the

1713
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,200
Department of Public uh works director

1714
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,359
being terminated,

1715
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:27,520
you put in two other people and I just

1716
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,760
want to voice my opinion. Uh, you sent

1717
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,359
me a letter back saying we're going to

1718
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:36,319
reduce some of the qualifications

1719
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:39,040
and I really disagree with that because

1720
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,680
we went down when we hired the last

1721
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,920
person and he didn't have a degree that

1722
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,160
he should have had and now we're going

1723
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,160
to go down again and I would like to see

1724
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,000
back and hire outside people who have

1725
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,160
the degrees that know what they're doing

1726
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,079
because that's to me as a citizen I want

1727
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,000
to know people are doing work they know

1728
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,160
how to do and I don't have nothing

1729
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,960
against gentlemen that appointed. Uh,

1730
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,920
you know, we need to intim people. I

1731
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,880
like both guys and I talk to both guys,

1732
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,119
but I just like to see things change

1733
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:22,799
here because I'm I'm tired of seeing it

1734
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:25,760
going downhill. The next thing is, can

1735
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,000
the golf carts that ride around the

1736
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,119
city, the rental golf carts, can they

1737
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,359
advertise on the back? People have asked

1738
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:34,720
me and I don't know what the rules are

1739
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,640
for that thing.

1740
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,400
>> They have advertising.

1741
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,599
>> Yeah, I think you're talking about Z's

1742
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,680
cart rental. I don't know of any issues

1743
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,599
with that. So, I wouldn't think there's

1744
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,200
>> people asked me. I don't know.

1745
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,799
>> And they're looking at as a sponsorship.

1746
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:48,000
I don't have a

1747
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:48,720
>> Okay.

1748
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,079
>> Think there's a legal reason to fight

1749
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:50,400
that.

1750
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,680
>> I didn't know if there was anything that

1751
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,559
you knew that would help. Okay.

1752
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:55,359
>> All right.

1753
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:56,319
>> Miss K.

1754
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:59,760
>> I'm good. Thank you very much, Mr. Rits.

1755
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,920
>> I just want to say what a wonderful uh

1756
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,480
back to school day for Casine and Maps

1757
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
yesterday. I just want to uh thank our

1758
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,760
city law. You're smiling. It was It was

1759
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,200
pretty fun. It was It's a little

1760
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,920
chaotic, but uh just everyone be safe on

1761
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,839
the roads and look out for little ones

1762
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:18,799
who are excited to get to school. Thank

1763
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,319
you, Mr. Smith.

1764
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:21,920
>> I am all set. Thank you,

1765
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,839
>> Miss Liy.

1766
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:25,039
I think Bill, I think it was a good

1767
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,559
decision whoever made it not to have the

1768
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,240
attorney. I think it's a cost savings to

1769
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,680
the city. I don't know that he has to be

1770
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,599
at every meeting. If there's an issue,

1771
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,319
he can view it on video at meeting

1772
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,480
number minute number 37 or something.

1773
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,839
So, thank you. That was looking out for

1774
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:40,640
us. Um the question someone was asking

1775
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,839
is that plaza I think it was there's

1776
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:45,599
bolsters that can be put in at the end.

1777
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,160
Is that going to remain open as a road

1778
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,440
most of the time? People are worried

1779
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,760
that it's going to be closed at the end

1780
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,280
more than open.

1781
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,359
>> So the ballards were a long lead time.

1782
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:57,039
We're waiting for those to come in, but

1783
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,280
the idea was for it to be you can still

1784
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,880
drive through it and it can be closed

1785
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,200
down for special events and we can do

1786
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,119
that as we choose fit. So

1787
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,720
>> be it's still going to be a road. People

1788
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,240
are concerned that it will be Not a

1789
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,880
road, but a

1790
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,319
>> little bit different geometrics where

1791
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:12,000
you do kind of turn at the end into

1792
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:12,880
water, but

1793
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,839
>> but you can still go through

1794
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,039
>> and you can go there, you can park.

1795
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,240
>> Good. Thank you.

1796
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,839
>> Does it look good? Okay, I take a motion

1797
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:18,880
to return.

1798
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,520
>> I'll make that motion.