[0:03] a big audience tonight.
[0:07] » Should have brought popcorn.
[0:09] >> That's Shel's job.
[0:11] >> Got some.
[0:12] >> That's why she's she's running late.
[0:16] >> Popping
[0:18] street people here.
[0:24] » Start without her.
[0:26] >> She'll show up. She was late.
[0:28] >> Well, she she said she didn't need a
[0:30] packet, so I took it. Going to show up.
[0:36] » You all set, Marlene?
[0:37] >> I'm set.
[0:38] >> All set, kids.
[0:39] >> Yep.
[0:41] >> All set.
[0:42] >> Okay. It is 5:30. Uh, welcome to the
[0:46] city of Manasty Planning Commission for
[0:48] September 3rd, 2026. Please rise for a
[0:51] pledge.
[0:54] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:57] United States of America and to the
[0:59] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:02] under God, indivisible with liberty and
[1:04] justice for all.
[1:06] >> Thank you.
[1:09] >> Please take role.
[1:11] >> Commissioner
[1:13] >> here.
[1:13] >> Commissioner Zansky
[1:14] >> here.
[1:15] >> Commissioner Winer
[1:16] >> here.
[1:17] >> Commissioner McBride
[1:18] >> here.
[1:19] >> And Chair Whit
[1:20] >> here.
[1:22] Thank you. Approval of agenda. At this
[1:24] time, the planning commission can take
[1:26] action to approve the September 3rd,
[1:28] 2026 agenda.
[1:30] >> Is there a motion?
[1:31] >> I'll make that motion.
[1:32] >> Motion by Mick. Second.
[1:33] >> Second
[1:34] >> by Bob. Discussion. None. Please take
[1:37] role.
[1:37] >> Commissioner Sinski.
[1:38] >> Yes.
[1:39] >> Commissioner Zansky.
[1:40] >> Yes.
[1:41] >> Commissioner Winer.
[1:42] >> Yes.
[1:42] >> Commissioner McBride.
[1:44] >> Yes.
[1:44] >> And Chair Will.
[1:46] >> Yes. Thank you. Conflicts of interest.
[1:49] Uh is there any uh commissioner with any
[1:51] type of conflict in tonight's agenda?
[1:53] Please speak up.
[1:54] >> Not for me.
[1:55] >> None. Okay.
[1:59] Approval of minutes. At this time, the
[2:00] chair will ask motion to approve the
[2:02] meeting minutes from August 6th, 2026.
[2:06] Motion.
[2:06] >> I'll make that motion.
[2:07] >> Motion by Marlene. Second.
[2:10] >> Second
[2:10] >> by Bob. Discussion. None. Please take or
[2:14] please take role. I'm sorry.
[2:17] >> Commissioner Stinski. Yes.
[2:18] >> Commissioner Zansky.
[2:20] >> Yes.
[2:20] >> Commissioner Winer.
[2:21] >> Yes.
[2:21] >> Commissioner McBride.
[2:23] >> May. Yes.
[2:24] >> Commissioner Wiff.
[2:25] >> Yes. Thank you. Correspondence has been
[2:28] shared with the planning commission and
[2:30] will not be read aloud tonight. And then
[2:33] the presentation
[2:35] myself and Maddie on the upcoming
[2:38] presentation to city council on the
[2:41] 15th.
[2:43] You want me to get up there or do you
[2:45] want me to just sit? M. whichever you
[2:47] prefer. I have a give this to you. You
[2:51] can sit if you want.
[2:56] » And it's a down arrow, right?
[2:57] >> Yeah.
[2:58] >> Okay. I always get those mixed up.
[3:01] >> Cuz each one's different.
[3:04] >> Well, this is uh like I said, this is
[3:06] the presentation for um city council on
[3:09] the 15th uh September 15th coming up. My
[3:13] name is Mark Whitliff and we will move
[3:15] along. uh planning commission. The
[3:17] purpose of the planning commission is to
[3:18] prepare and adopt physical plans for the
[3:21] city of Manaste, review development
[3:23] proposals, both private, public, and
[3:26] it's
[3:30] and is set forth in the Michigan zoning
[3:32] enabling act. Meetings are the first
[3:35] Thursday of the month at 5:30. Meetings
[3:38] are open to the public and recorded and
[3:40] shared afterwards. questions or comments
[3:43] for the commission should be directed to
[3:45] the planning and zoning administrator.
[3:50] Um, run down the roster. Um, we had this
[3:54] year Roger Yoder, 42 years with
[3:57] planning, uh, passed away in
[4:01] June.
[4:03] Um, we miss him dearly. He was a a man
[4:07] of many talents. He was a friend and a
[4:10] mentor to us. Um and on the 15th uh the
[4:13] city will be honoring him with a plaque
[4:15] to his uh wife and children. Um on the
[4:21] meeting, our first meeting after Roger's
[4:23] passing in July, uh his wife Kathy took
[4:27] Roger's seat and we presented uh Ro
[4:31] Kathy with Roger's name plane plate,
[4:35] excuse me. Um
[4:38] and she was very appreciative of that.
[4:40] So, um, we miss him.
[4:44] Moving along, Marlene McBride of 16
[4:47] years on the planning. Michael Shansky,
[4:49] eight years. Pam Winer, seven. Shelley
[4:52] Roberto, six. Bob Slovenky, our vice
[4:55] chair, 10 years. And myself, 16 years.
[4:59] We um, Marlene and I are the old-timers
[5:02] now.
[5:02] >> Yeah,
[5:03] >> we won't catch Roger, but you know,
[5:05] we'll give it hell. So, uh, master plan,
[5:10] uh, city planning commission guides a
[5:12] master plan by helping establish
[5:14] community long-term vision, ensuring the
[5:17] plan reflects, uh, local priorities and
[5:20] needs. Uh, site plan review committee,
[5:23] which Pam and Bob are on,
[5:27] um, and myself didn't know that.
[5:31] >> I send them to you.
[5:33] I just thought you wanted to send those
[5:35] to me for the heck of it.
[5:36] >> Oh, well, it's three of you. So, when
[5:38] you only appointed two, I figured,
[5:40] >> okay,
[5:40] >> you assumed yourself.
[5:41] >> You want my comments now?
[5:43] >> I just go on on these guys. So, but
[5:46] getting back to it. Sorry. Planning
[5:48] Commission assist in the detailed review
[5:50] of the site plans for new developments,
[5:53] both commercial and industrial. Zoning
[5:56] amendments. Planning Commission reviews
[5:58] and recommends zoning amendments to
[6:00] ensure the city's zoning aligns with the
[6:02] master plan and community needs.
[6:05] Special use permits. Planning commission
[6:08] provides an opportunity for public
[6:10] input. Evaluates special use permits to
[6:12] ensure proposed uses are comparable in
[6:17] with surrounding neighborhoods while
[6:19] establishing conditions to promote
[6:22] appropriate development.
[6:25] And after this, if anybody has any
[6:26] questions, Maddie can answer them.
[6:31] Um, this year we completed the 2025 uh
[6:35] master plan. Uh, we worked with Williams
[6:37] and Works and staff to create uh the
[6:40] master plan and that went out to
[6:43] uh many different entities within the uh
[6:46] county.
[6:50] Projects this year that we've worked on.
[6:52] 313 Maple, the Corner Vic, Jackson
[6:56] Street, Tiny Homes, a PUD, 555 First
[6:59] Street Youth Armory Project, Conditional
[7:02] Reszone,
[7:03] um economy, efficient housing overlay,
[7:06] child care zoning amendments.
[7:09] upcoming uh items that we will be
[7:12] working on. 427 River Street or Water
[7:14] Street, multiuse uh dwelling, 170 West
[7:20] Coches Drive, mixed use, mixed use and
[7:23] light industrial amendment and sign
[7:26] enforcement.
[7:27] My favorite.
[7:31] And let's see, training education. Each
[7:34] member of the planning commission goes
[7:35] through um the uh citizen planner
[7:40] series. Uh it's a six-h hour or as many
[7:43] credits as they can get uh per year. Um
[7:46] and I we all do that every year. So I
[7:50] think we're all up to date, Bob. Right.
[7:53] >> Yeah.
[7:53] >> Okay.
[7:55] So
[7:55] >> I know
[7:59] I don't have to go any further than
[8:00] that, do I? Um, if you don't want to
[8:02] answer any questions.
[8:04] >> No, is that it?
[8:05] >> Thank you. Is anybody have any
[8:06] questions?
[8:09] >> None.
[8:09] >> Okay.
[8:10] >> And then Mark and I will do ours on the
[8:13] same day so I can breeze through this
[8:14] pretty quick. I will be doing the update
[8:17] for planning and zoning or the community
[8:20] development department as a whole. um
[8:23] consisting of Jerry, our boss, community
[8:26] development director, myself, planning
[8:28] and zoning administrator, and Jackie,
[8:30] our administrative assistant. We handle
[8:33] rentals, short and long-term, land use
[8:35] permits, sign permits, driveway permits,
[8:38] building permits, trade permits,
[8:40] business registration, enforcement, and
[8:43] then between Jerry, Jackie, and I, we
[8:46] manage the historic district, planning
[8:48] commission, NRBC, and ZBA boards and
[8:51] serve as the liaison for those.
[8:56] Little rundown of comparison 2025 to
[9:00] 2026 permits.
[9:02] Planning and zoning, we have 60 permits
[9:05] so far for the year. We had 55 total in
[9:08] 2025. Building, we're at 81 for the year
[9:11] with 108 last year. Historic district,
[9:14] 12 for the year with 15 last year.
[9:17] Business registrations, we had 15 this
[9:20] year and 28 last year. I think Heather
[9:22] uh was kind of knocking doors down to
[9:25] get those last year. Long-term rentals,
[9:27] this was also one that we saw some
[9:30] change with. We have 140 this year and
[9:32] 59 last year. That is because we are
[9:36] requiring all rentals to reregister now
[9:39] when they get an inspection. So they
[9:41] update their contact information,
[9:43] provide updated insurance, and therefore
[9:46] 59 might have been new, but there were
[9:49] probably closer to 150 that were
[9:51] inspected that year. Um, and then
[9:53] short-term rentals, we're at 165
[9:56] certificates, which is technically the
[9:58] cap, but that is split between the capex
[10:01] exempt area and the total area. So, I
[10:04] think we're at about 100 in the cap. So,
[10:08] 65 remaining.
[10:12] Oops.
[10:14] Um, I'm not going to go over this again,
[10:16] but this was also a big part of what our
[10:18] department worked on this year. Um when
[10:20] I started back in October, we had just
[10:23] received the draft of this master plan
[10:25] and so we worked through um the editing
[10:28] phase which we got quite a few extensive
[10:31] edits and worked with William and Works
[10:33] on updating those and then took it
[10:35] through adoption and the public review
[10:38] period.
[10:41] Another little breakdown of the three
[10:42] zoning amendments that we had this year.
[10:45] The first being economy efficient
[10:46] housing. Um, I've actually gotten quite
[10:50] a few phone calls. I believe there are a
[10:52] couple lots on the market that would
[10:55] qualify for this, whether they have an
[10:57] existing house that people would be
[10:59] looking at taking down due to um,
[11:03] existing conditions or there's one I
[11:05] know that just has a garage on it that
[11:08] has just been a non-conforming lot and
[11:10] is up for sale. So, couple of eligible
[11:12] lots. George, who is here, just got the
[11:15] permits for the house off Kaziasco at
[11:18] the old land bank property. Um, so
[11:21] that's exciting and that will be the
[11:23] first economy efficient house child care
[11:26] amendments. Um, I believe based on what
[11:29] the community foundation shared, we were
[11:31] I think she said the first community to
[11:34] officially get through that process and
[11:36] adopt those. So that's good. that I
[11:38] think it's a good um leeway for the rest
[11:41] of the county setting a good example and
[11:43] I've had a couple people reach out about
[11:45] that as well. And then tonight's agenda
[11:49] item is mixed use in the light
[11:50] industrial district which we've talked
[11:52] about a couple times.
[11:55] Update on the chill grant. We are
[11:57] reaching our end of September official
[12:00] final deadline. Our total costs for
[12:04] project work is going to be 46,749.
[12:09] We were allocated 450,000.
[12:13] Um,
[12:15] actually, I think it's slightly above
[12:16] that. I could be wrong, but ultimately
[12:19] where we're at is each house was offered
[12:21] the full 25,000, which would have equal
[12:23] 450,000. So, we have 18 homes. We are
[12:27] completely done with 14 of those 18.
[12:30] Some of the projects include roof
[12:32] sighting, um, porch repairs, walk-in
[12:35] showers, windows, new furnaces and water
[12:38] heaters, sopet and fascia replacement
[12:41] and electric work. Our deadline is the
[12:44] end of September for all projects to be
[12:47] complete and paid for. And then we'll
[12:49] have an additional month to do all of
[12:50] the admin work. This will also include a
[12:53] public hearing at a city council meeting
[12:56] where we'll do a more indepth review of
[12:59] the chill grant and some before and
[13:01] after pictures um based on you know
[13:04] homeowners being comfortable. Here's
[13:06] some after pictures of windows. We did
[13:09] some basement floor and then um a new
[13:12] walk-in shower.
[13:14] As far as upcoming projects go, again on
[13:17] the agenda tonight we have the amendment
[13:18] for the industrial parks. I believe
[13:21] there's also some interest and maybe
[13:23] some amendments over in the general
[13:25] industrial district. We'll likely be up
[13:28] for discussion at some point in the
[13:30] upcoming year. Jerry and I are being
[13:34] brought up to speed on the walkability
[13:37] program the city is working on with safe
[13:39] routes to school.
[13:41] Um they are pretty far into that. So
[13:43] hopefully getting some accessible
[13:46] sidewalks along Maple. Um maybe some
[13:50] bike opportunities whether it's a bike
[13:52] lane or sheros. Um some better
[13:55] crosswalks where they marked that kids
[13:58] cross to get to school. They did a a
[14:00] school audit for that. Um chill grant
[14:02] round two. We once we wrap this up will
[14:06] hopefully be applying for another round
[14:09] um based on communication with Julie
[14:11] who's our liaison with MISTA. She has
[14:15] hinted at potentially some vacant rental
[14:18] programs coming up in the winter cycle
[14:22] which would be eligible for our downtown
[14:24] district. So some of those rentals above
[14:27] the commercial space could be eligible
[14:29] for that if that's ultimately what we
[14:32] end up pursuing. And then sort of paired
[14:34] with that vacant commercial space, um
[14:37] Jerry and I have met with the ordinance
[14:40] review committee and some
[14:42] recommendations from the DDA of some
[14:45] sort of approach to managing vacant
[14:49] buildings downtown or within the rest of
[14:51] the city, whether that be some sort of
[14:54] ordinance amendment or Jerry and I and
[14:57] working with the DDA to maintain a list
[15:00] and um track communication and sort of
[15:03] make a long-term plan there. So, that's
[15:06] definitely up for further conversations
[15:08] in this upcoming year. And that's all I
[15:11] got.
[15:13] >> Thank you.
[15:17] » Okay, moving along. Public hearing
[15:20] Z26-03
[15:22] mixed Use amendment in the light
[15:24] industrial.
[15:25] >> Um, you've got a copy of what this would
[15:28] look like in your packet. Um, same with
[15:31] at the last meeting. It's the exact same
[15:33] language. This would allow for mixed use
[15:36] as a special use in the light industrial
[15:38] district. Um, it would still require
[15:41] going to a public hearing and neighbors
[15:43] be notified, but I think it aligns with
[15:45] what the master plan describes that
[15:48] district as, which is sort of an
[15:50] innovative business mixed use with some
[15:53] industrial still remaining.
[15:56] I mimicked the language for other
[16:00] commercial districts as far as minimum
[16:04] living area and I removed the maximum
[16:08] building size because I think that sort
[16:10] of inhibits some of these developments
[16:13] and also a lot of those special uses
[16:15] that are already listed there I don't
[16:17] really think um need a max a minimum
[16:21] building eyes.
[16:26] » Okay.
[16:29] Any comments?
[16:31] >> No.
[16:32] >> Any anything, Arlene?
[16:35] No. Okay.
[16:38] Um, any comments from the public
[16:41] on this?
[16:43] Nothing. Okay.
[16:46] So 5:46 we'll close that public hearing
[16:50] and then go to the open public hearing
[16:52] at 5:46
[16:56] for the 427 Water Street uh mixeduse uh
[17:00] dwelling
[17:01] >> multi-unit dwelling
[17:02] >> multi excuse me multi multi-unit
[17:05] dwelling. If the applicant could please
[17:07] come up to the podium.
[17:20] » So if you could run through what we have
[17:22] everything here, but if you could run
[17:24] through it, please.
[17:25] >> Sure. As far as uh the redevelopment of
[17:27] the building or
[17:28] >> Yes, sir.
[17:29] >> Sure. So, currently it's a vacant
[17:31] building. I purchased uh Kitty Corner
[17:33] here. Um, the intention is to
[17:35] rehabilitate it back into a usable
[17:38] building. Four units, two two-bedroom
[17:40] units and two one-bedroom units.
[17:46] Okay.
[17:47] Um,
[17:52] see,
[17:55] >> do you have a time frame when you want
[17:56] to start?
[17:58] >> I mean, once you guys approve me?
[18:01] >> Well, yeah, that always helps. Uh
[18:04] I guess uh right now I am already
[18:07] getting coding. So I'm waiting on the
[18:08] mason. I don't know if he can start this
[18:10] fall or early spring to do the masonary
[18:13] repairs. Um I already have painter lined
[18:16] up to do the exterior. And then I
[18:19] already talked to Jerry. I believe I can
[18:20] start demo any time now. The interior uh
[18:25] the exterior has to go through historic.
[18:28] going over some paint colors with them
[18:30] and then u I guess once that's approved
[18:32] I think I'll be good to move forward
[18:35] >> in the interior it's an older building
[18:38] of course it's been I think the
[18:40] telephone company years ago
[18:43] >> um
[18:44] lead paint that that allated in there or
[18:48] >> so there was asbestous there was a
[18:51] report done by the previous owner of the
[18:53] building and all the
[18:56] I'm going going to mess this term up.
[18:58] Anyway, the bad asbestous was all
[19:00] removed already and
[19:01] >> abdated or removed.
[19:03] >> Yeah. So, that was previous to my
[19:04] ownership. Lead paint, I don't know if
[19:07] it was tested for that. I'm unaware. Um
[19:10] the original windows are going to stay.
[19:12] So, we're not going to because they're
[19:14] historic, right? So, it's just going to
[19:15] be a repair of the windows.
[19:19] >> Okay.
[19:20] Has there been any because that
[19:22] building's a little older, any water
[19:24] intrusion?
[19:26] It looks like there was Yeah. Yep. Uh it
[19:29] looks like more around the foundation
[19:30] there was some water intrusion. Yeah.
[19:33] The mason's supposed to take care of
[19:34] that.
[19:34] >> Okay.
[19:35] >> In his scope of work.
[19:37] >> I mean it's a it's a great plan. I
[19:39] >> Yeah, I know. Um
[19:40] >> for the area
[19:41] >> part of it is required for fire
[19:45] suppression will be part of the project
[19:46] required.
[19:48] >> Um and it'll be complete interior rehab.
[19:51] >> So gutted. I think you guys should have
[19:54] a copy of the plan.
[19:54] >> Yes.
[19:55] >> Yeah. gutted and completely gutted and
[19:57] new interior walls. Any supporting
[19:59] structural would stay. Um, but aside
[20:01] from it, structural,
[20:05] >> you know, we've been looking at trying
[20:07] to get that building rehabilitated since
[20:09] I've been on the the commission, and
[20:12] this looks like the most doable plan
[20:15] that I've seen.
[20:16] >> Thank you.
[20:17] >> I mean, I I like the the floor plans. I
[20:19] think uh I think they're very doable. U
[20:22] going to be a lot of work, though. Yeah.
[20:24] >> Not going to be cheap, I'm sure.
[20:26] >> For sure. Yeah.
[20:27] >> Um, one of the things I the only
[20:30] question I have if I can ask is what
[20:31] about parking? What's the plan?
[20:33] >> So, that's something I've already talked
[20:34] to Jerry about. Um,
[20:37] I want to say extensively, but we've had
[20:39] a few discussions about it. Um, the lot
[20:42] to the east there, I own that as well.
[20:44] That was part of the when I bought the
[20:46] building, the lot as well. Um, I'm
[20:49] concerned about the cost to create that
[20:51] into parking. So right now I have that's
[20:54] not part of the plan as of today. So
[20:58] street parking is the option right now.
[21:00] The second option is uh talking to I
[21:02] think Z carts and maybe see if I can get
[21:05] some I mean uh Jerry suggested I talk to
[21:09] the owner of that and see if I could um
[21:10] possibly set up a lease for a few
[21:12] parking spaces to try and alleviate road
[21:14] parking. So but I haven't met him or
[21:18] talked to him yet.
[21:22] Um, but as of right now, road parking,
[21:24] um, the future plan, uh, after maybe
[21:26] construction, I can see how this goes.
[21:28] Um, convert that lot into parking that's associated.
[21:31] >> So, I'm just curious, would it be what's
[21:35] the is the issue the retaining wall that
[21:37] you would be required or
[21:39] >> well,
[21:40] >> just the general excavation of that?
[21:42] >> Yeah, the general excavation. Yes,
[21:44] there'd be retention. I'd have to do
[21:45] retention along the back for sure
[21:47] because of the height difference. And
[21:49] then actually probably along the east
[21:50] side as well where those cedar trees
[21:52] are. Um I'd probably leave those and
[21:54] just put retention there. So I'm
[21:56] actually meeting an excavator tomorrow
[21:57] to discuss that option as well. He was
[22:00] supposed to get me pricing already and I
[22:02] have not received that yet. So
[22:03] >> what what would the how many spaces do
[22:06] you think you would get? What's the
[22:08] >> I I think I could get eight spaces in
[22:10] there to be honest. Um maybe even 10,
[22:12] but I haven't physically measured it.
[22:15] Um
[22:16] >> I thought that area would be nice for in my own mind anyway nice courtyard for
[22:20] your tenants.
[22:21] >> Yeah.
[22:22] >> Just kick back and have a nice
[22:24] >> green space.
[22:25] >> Yeah.
[22:25] >> Um but you know parking of course
[22:27] >> parking is always
[22:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. Jerry informed me that
[22:30] parking was a premium
[22:32] >> that would be uh discussed. So
[22:34] >> yeah.
[22:35] >> So I told him it's in the plans but um
[22:37] the cost to construct uh it the numbers
[22:41] have to make sense.
[22:43] So,
[22:44] >> it'd be nice to get that going. Now, is
[22:47] the project funded, fully funded now?
[22:50] >> Oh, I mean, I'm personally funding it,
[22:52] so yeah.
[22:52] >> Okay.
[22:53] >> Right.
[22:55] >> Yeah.
[22:56] >> No, it's it's it's needed. Uh nice
[22:59] housing. It's
[23:01] >> Yeah.
[23:01] >> The way you have it laid out, it's it's
[23:03] very nice.
[23:04] >> Yeah. The architect did a great job on
[23:05] the on the prints. So,
[23:08] >> so my no my compliments anyway, but I I
[23:13] Bob and I are on the site plan review. I
[23:16] was very impressed with the way you've
[23:17] got the apartments laid out.
[23:19] >> My only concern was the funding. Sure it
[23:23] gets the project gets finished. But I
[23:25] think it's a good idea and that's
[23:26] definitely
[23:26] >> Yeah. The only thing I had was the
[23:28] parking issue and I forwarded that to
[23:29] Maddie. My concern on that and she
[23:32] answered my questions on that and your
[23:33] answer is more than
[23:35] >> Yeah,
[23:36] >> that's just a my standpoint and I like
[23:39] what Mark was talking if you find some other way for some
[23:43] long-term parking somewhere, that
[23:44] wouldn't be an ideal park for the
[23:45] attendant for the tenants there.
[23:47] >> Yeah, for sure. My intention on the on
[23:49] the back section, so between the well
[23:52] the old Bell Telephone building, that
[23:53] one, the heart building, and the 182
[23:55] building there, I was planning to put
[23:57] some livable space back, not livable,
[23:59] outdoor space back there. Um, it's all
[24:02] just overgrowth and everything. So,
[24:03] shrubbery and put some chairs out there
[24:05] and stuff.
[24:07] >> I have to keep garbage contained back
[24:09] there as well. So,
[24:11] Arlene, you have anything?
[24:13] >> I think it's a great idea. That building
[24:15] has come before us with all kinds of
[24:18] things going to be done and never did.
[24:20] And uh I think it will be a great use of
[24:24] what your plans are.
[24:26] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[24:27] >> And um and that's a great location for
[24:30] people to walk and everything else down
[24:33] there. So I'm happy to see this coming
[24:37] through.
[24:37] >> Thank you. Yeah, the staff from the
[24:40] outsiders will probably all move in,
[24:43] >> right?
[24:45] >> No, you know, with this project going on
[24:47] and then the redo of River Street West,
[24:51] uh, making that more into a
[24:55] say here,
[24:57] >> pedestrian federally.
[24:59] >> Yeah, pedestrian. You could have little
[25:01] festivals in that area. You can put the
[25:03] traffic biards in to close it off. Um,
[25:08] it's going to it up
[25:09] >> for sure.
[25:10] >> Especially with the development on the
[25:11] old Chipua Hotel grounds.
[25:14] Yeah,
[25:17] >> very nice.
[25:17] >> Yeah, thank you.
[25:18] >> Yeah,
[25:19] >> thanks so much.
[25:19] >> Yep.
[25:24] » Now, any comment from the public on
[25:27] this? Please come up to the podium. Name
[25:30] and address, please.
[25:34] >> Andrew Stafford, 400 River Street. I'm a
[25:36] director of economic development with
[25:38] the Chamber of Commerce and in that role
[25:40] I serve as the point of contact for the
[25:42] Downtown Development Authority. Just
[25:44] wanted to speak in support for this
[25:46] project. Uh Mick, as you mentioned, uh
[25:50] the last two years, two and a half years
[25:51] that I've been here, I've talked to four
[25:54] different potential buyers of that site
[25:56] and each of them only proposed
[25:59] residential. There's never been any type
[26:01] of commercial proposal for that site.
[26:03] And I I truly think that residential is
[26:05] probably the highest and best use and it
[26:06] fits the character of that section of
[26:08] the the DDA district with the property
[26:11] directly to the east being all
[26:13] residential. Um and so I would just like
[26:15] to show the DDA support for this
[26:17] project. It would be an amazing
[26:19] investment and into this uh area of the
[26:22] district. And Mark, as you pointed out,
[26:24] uh, on the heels of the streetscape
[26:26] project and some new businesses on that
[26:28] west end, um, it's really going to help
[26:30] round out that that area of the district
[26:34] and so I just want to support the
[26:35] project. Thank you.
[26:36] >> Thank you.
[26:38] >> Anyone else?
[26:43] » Okay, we'll go into discussion.
[26:46] >> Do you want to close the public hearing?
[26:49] >> Close the hearing first.
[26:50] >> Okay. We we will close that portion of
[26:52] the public hearing on 427
[26:55] Water Street. It is 556. We'll go into
[26:59] discussion.
[27:01] >> Public comment on agenda related items.
[27:04] Pardon?
[27:04] >> Public comment on agenda related items.
[27:06] >> Okay. Sorry. Public comment on agenda
[27:09] related items.
[27:11] >> What about old business?
[27:13] >> About the old business?
[27:14] >> Not yet.
[27:15] >> We're not.
[27:16] >> Not yet.
[27:16] >> Down the line.
[27:17] Bob. Uh all comments and
[27:20] handouts from the speaker will at the
[27:22] podium will go through the chair. If
[27:23] there cannot be uh any interaction
[27:25] between the podium and audience, these
[27:27] rules cannot be followed. The chair can
[27:29] adjourn the meeting. You have up to five
[27:31] minutes. Uh anyone interested to have
[27:34] anything come to the podium name and
[27:35] address please.
[27:39] Okay. Now we'll move along to new business Z26-03
[27:47] mixed use amendment in light industrial.
[27:51] >> I think we move along in the right
[27:53] direction on how it is going to help in
[27:56] the long run.
[27:59] » Nick,
[27:59] >> I mean the district's been there a long
[28:01] time and it has not been fully utilized
[28:04] and I've heard a number of people saying
[28:06] geez why wouldn't we put housing there?
[28:08] So now we're putting housing there
[28:10] potentially. So I think we're listening
[28:12] to the public and I think the public has
[28:14] got a right to have some housing in that
[28:16] area and uh
[28:19] >> like I said good for business.
[28:20] >> Yeah, I agree. It has has been
[28:23] underutilized for many many years.
[28:26] >> Well, since we moved to town in '09, I
[28:29] think there's only been like one new
[28:31] building going up there. Yep.
[28:33] >> Yeah, it's Yeah, it desperately needs to be used more
[28:37] efficiently.
[28:38] >> Yes, Marlene,
[28:40] >> I agree with everything and I'm happy to
[28:43] see something finally
[28:46] being used over there.
[28:49] >> Okay.
[28:51] Um,
[28:53] with that, is there a motion to approve
[28:54] or deny?
[28:56] >> Uh, recommend to council.
[28:58] >> Recommend.
[28:58] to council. I
[29:00] >> I will
[29:02] Motion to recommend to council approval
[29:04] of uh the uh amendment changes for light
[29:08] industrial mixed use.
[29:10] >> Okay,
[29:10] >> I'll second it.
[29:11] >> Second motion by Mick to recommend to uh
[29:15] councel.
[29:16] Second by Bob. Any further discussion?
[29:20] None. Please take role.
[29:23] >> Yes.
[29:23] >> Commissioner,
[29:25] >> yes.
[29:25] >> Commissioner Winer,
[29:26] >> yes.
[29:27] >> Commissioner McBride,
[29:28] >> yes.
[29:29] >> Whitler,
[29:30] >> yes.
[29:31] Motion approved. Thank you. 427
[29:35] Water Street multi-unit dwelling.
[29:39] Do a motion to take that to council.
[29:42] >> That'll you guys can approve that.
[29:43] >> Oh, we don't need it. Okay,
[29:45] >> that's us. Okay,
[29:46] >> just us.
[29:47] >> All right. So, motion to approve or deny
[29:50] this.
[29:50] >> I make a motion to approve the plan as
[29:52] is.
[29:55] >> Go ahead.
[29:56] >> Second.
[29:57] Okay. I'll um write up some
[30:00] conditions based on DPW and engineer
[30:05] comments in the site plan review chain.
[30:07] >> So I'll just sort of tweak those that
[30:09] you know he has to coordinate with DPW
[30:12] for the fire suppression
[30:13] >> most and most of those were pretty
[30:15] standard stuff anyway.
[30:17] >> But the parking too I think really still
[30:20] needs to be kind of
[30:21] >> solidified if I'll I'll say I mean he
[30:24] doesn't have to provide parking in the
[30:26] district. I know, but it's
[30:27] >> um but I'll request I'll write up
[30:29] something to share parking plans or if
[30:32] he paves that, you know, we'll have to
[30:35] go through the review of the striping
[30:37] and the size there. So,
[30:39] >> we'll keep a copy of that decision.
[30:44] >> So, we have a motion
[30:46] approved by Bob, second by Mick, uh with
[30:49] the conditions that Maddie will put
[30:51] forth. Um
[30:54] roll call, please.
[30:57] Commissioner Sinski,
[30:58] >> yes.
[30:58] >> Commissioner Zanski,
[31:00] >> yes.
[31:00] >> Commissioner Warner,
[31:01] >> yes.
[31:02] >> Commissioner McBride,
[31:03] >> yes.
[31:04] >> Chair,
[31:05] >> yes. Motion passed. Congratulations.
[31:10] Old business. Feather flags.
[31:16] » Leave your feather flag.
[31:18] >> Yeah. Um, I've sent out letters to the
[31:20] businesses on 31 with them. It's still
[31:23] the same problem of the business that
[31:26] has had it the most. And I resonate with
[31:29] this. If my neighbor can do it, why
[31:30] can't I? And so, ideally, they'll all
[31:34] come down. I did write up some language
[31:36] about I think um special events in the
[31:40] city. Either maybe we include something
[31:43] on the application that they're not
[31:44] allowed or this is waved because they're
[31:47] already going through council. But every
[31:49] special event is going to have feather
[31:52] flags because they're there for a day
[31:53] and they're coming in from wherever. If
[31:56] we had like a parasailing or catamaran
[32:00] race and they had 12 when I was on my
[32:03] walk walking down by the beach and so
[32:05] things like that that I might not see,
[32:08] but those aren't permanent. They're just
[32:09] setting it up for this event that
[32:11] they've already gotten approval for.
[32:13] Maybe we consider that something
[32:14] different. you know, I'm not out there
[32:16] on a Saturday to see all of these, but
[32:19] it still kind of is, well, if my
[32:20] neighbor can do it, why can't I? That
[32:23] sort of thing. And I think that applies
[32:25] to a lot of temporary signs, but feather
[32:28] flags we do have the strictest language
[32:30] on.
[32:32] Um,
[32:35] and we talked about special events that
[32:38] don't go through council. So, private
[32:40] property special events like if
[32:43] a business has a band or when Scoobies
[32:46] like does their own farmers market,
[32:48] things like that. Those are private.
[32:49] Those don't go through any really
[32:52] approval from the city if it's just
[32:53] during operating hours.
[32:58] Those were the language suggestions I
[33:00] wrote up. But otherwise, that's my
[33:02] update is I've sent emails and letters
[33:06] week and a half ago to all the
[33:08] businesses on 31.
[33:10] >> Do you still go in with Labor Fest?
[33:12] >> Yes.
[33:13] >> Do they use feather flags?
[33:15] >> No. And and we we'll we basically only
[33:18] put our flags out like um like a lot of
[33:22] people on the day of the event.
[33:24] >> Okay.
[33:25] >> Other than the banners that we have
[33:26] approval for think there's one coming
[33:29] into River Street.
[33:31] >> Okay.
[33:31] >> And there's a few others on private
[33:33] properties, but uh but we use the you
[33:37] know the basically the sandwich signs on
[33:39] people's just like you would for an
[33:41] election.
[33:42] >> Okay. All right.
[33:46] Well, thank you. Uh, public
[33:48] comments, communication.
[33:51] There's anyone in the audience that has
[33:53] anything, please come to the podium.
[33:56] No. Okay.
[34:00] Staff board reports.
[34:06] I included a permit list. I think I
[34:09] forgot the certificate list, but I don't
[34:11] think it's changed much since the last
[34:14] meeting. Couple key things. We issued
[34:18] the building and land use permits for
[34:21] the tiny developer house off of
[34:25] Kaziasco.
[34:26] Um I believe that's going to be single
[34:28] family now instead of the duplex.
[34:31] um due to
[34:34] not wanting to have sort of that
[34:36] oversight that they're going to have to
[34:37] do at Jackson for two separate owners
[34:40] within a building. Um this will just be
[34:42] able to be for sale to one owner.
[34:46] Plans are looking good. Um that I think
[34:49] will be exciting and hopefully
[34:51] coordinate with George when they get
[34:53] work started there and do some sort of
[34:55] maybe a groundbreaking or invite the
[34:57] commission to come out. I know that'll
[35:00] be really exciting for both the land
[35:01] bank and the city. Um, like I said, I've
[35:04] had a lot of calls about other
[35:06] properties and I've been met with a lot
[35:08] of positive feedback that,
[35:11] you know, this is going to bring more
[35:13] housing and this is making people more
[35:15] willing to invest or buy some of these
[35:17] smaller lots and um, you know, maybe
[35:21] redo the house because the foundation
[35:23] just isn't repairable at that point. So,
[35:26] happy about that. Um, if anyone has any
[35:29] questions on the permit list, I'm happy
[35:30] to answer them.
[35:33] And I meant to include the plans for
[35:36] Kaziasco, but I think I forgot. But it
[35:38] is the same, relatively the same as the
[35:42] single family for the Jackson Street
[35:44] house. So, I think that'll also be a
[35:46] really good model of how that's going to
[35:48] look and for George and for Tiny, how
[35:51] financially that's going to work with
[35:53] Lakeshore and sort of how those numbers
[35:55] are going to come to fruition. Um,
[35:58] getting this slightly lower
[36:03] I can't think of the word scale project
[36:06] >> affordability.
[36:08] >> Yes. Yes. but also, you know, he has
[36:10] more time with this one versus the
[36:12] timeline of the PUB and the utility
[36:15] constructions that he has over there.
[36:17] That's going to be a really big
[36:18] investment. So, being able to see this
[36:20] one come to fruition first for both Tiny
[36:23] and I think for the commission will be
[36:25] good. And hopefully we are involved
[36:27] along the way and can bring some updates
[36:30] once that work gets started.
[36:35] » Jackie, you have anything?
[36:38] No. Okay.
[36:40] Um, meetings training attended by
[36:42] members. Anything?
[36:46] >> No.
[36:47] >> Marlene, anything?
[36:48] >> No,
[36:48] >> I got to call you. I will.
[36:50] >> Yeah.
[36:50] >> I keep forgetting.
[36:51] >> She's going to set me up.
[36:53] >> All right. Me, too. If it's something I
[36:55] haven't seen
[36:56] >> the data centers,
[37:01] » there is a new series.
[37:02] >> I can send it to you, too, if you'd like
[37:03] to watch it. I have the link.
[37:04] >> Haven't they? The data centers and
[37:06] There's new legislation
[37:10] >> I believe. I'm not familiar with it, but
[37:12] I believe there is.
[37:12] >> They've got a it was in the paper in the
[37:14] bill
[37:17] >> something with the tax credits. I think
[37:19] that changed a bit.
[37:20] >> Well, also and some statewide rules on
[37:23] data centers.
[37:24] >> That that was all in that presentation
[37:26] that we we got. Yeah.
[37:27] >> All the statewide rules were in that
[37:29] presentation.
[37:30] >> So, but I don't know that they have been
[37:31] approved yet, but uh I don't know what
[37:34] the status would be in between.
[37:39] I don't think so. I don't think
[37:41] >> I'll have to reread that one. I didn't
[37:43] finish it. I got called away.
[37:45] >> But there Yeah, there's new new ones
[37:47] coming out online now, I think, in
[37:48] October. Um
[37:50] >> the comprehensive list
[37:53] >> they do. So, what they they just send
[37:55] out the recordings of all of the ones
[37:58] they did through the year. Um I think it
[38:01] was November, December.
[38:03] >> Okay.
[38:04] >> They send it out. So last year I
[38:06] purchased one pack and they said it was
[38:10] okay if we shared it with the group. So
[38:13] >> we can do something similar.
[38:14] >> All right. Very good.
[38:17] Member discussion. Marlene.
[38:22] >> No, I have nothing at this time. I I
[38:25] just like to know what's happening with
[38:28] the old um army surplus. It seems like
[38:31] it's been at a standstill. what their
[38:34] plans are to
[38:37] start. When are they going to start
[38:38] doing something in there?
[38:40] >> The Ringo oil building.
[38:41] >> Ringo Army Surplus was across the
[38:44] street.
[38:44] >> They were breaking ground this week.
[38:47] >> Were they? Cuz there's still cement.
[38:49] >> Yeah, they were
[38:50] >> Oh, down the right one.
[38:53] >> I I think Katie the land bank took it
[38:56] down. That one
[38:58] >> or No.
[38:58] >> Yeah, the land bank was one that was
[39:00] running. Yeah, I think they've been
[39:01] working with different contractors and
[39:04] it's just been a slow process of getting
[39:06] that cleaned up, but um when I talked to
[39:09] her recently, she was optimistic it
[39:11] would be soon.
[39:12] >> Now the fence is gone, which looks
[39:14] better.
[39:18] » Anything else, Marlene?
[39:19] >> No, that's Pam.
[39:22] >> No, not really.
[39:23] >> Okay, Nick. Well, the only thing is, you
[39:26] know, they we talk about walkability,
[39:29] uh, but we have an issue with with
[39:35] drivers not respecting the the walkways.
[39:40] I I mean, eventually it's going to I
[39:43] watched just today I watched a young man
[39:46] coming back from school trying to cross
[39:48] 31 on Sixth Street and he ended up started at he he must
[39:57] have waited there at least 10 minutes
[40:00] trying to get across fifth street. Every
[40:01] time he would try there would be a car
[40:03] coming in or to coming from another
[40:05] corner. He ended up starting walking
[40:08] towards First Street. I don't know how
[40:10] far he went, but
[40:13] I always thought the rule was if you
[40:15] step into a crosswalk, traffic is
[40:17] supposed to stop even on a state
[40:19] highway.
[40:20] >> I couldn't.
[40:21] >> No. No.
[40:22] >> So you can run over somebody if they're
[40:23] in the crosswalk. There's no
[40:25] >> require fault for hitting them. But if
[40:27] the crosswalk is not having a sign
[40:29] saying
[40:29] >> Oh, it is
[40:31] if it needs to have a signage saying
[40:35] >> pedestrians. It doesn't have that
[40:37] signage.
[40:38] >> You know, I travel other places and I'll
[40:40] give you example. I was in Portland,
[40:42] Maine. Heck, if if I was close to a
[40:45] crosswalk, they stopped.
[40:47] That just doesn't happen here. And I
[40:49] think part of that is maybe we don't
[40:51] have the right regulations or maybe we
[40:53] just don't, you know, have a good
[40:56] education. We had brought up this a
[40:58] couple years back and we wanted a
[41:02] crosswalk down by the Catholic school
[41:05] there
[41:06] >> cuz that's such a bad section there and
[41:09] kids crossing to the high school or the
[41:12] Catholic school and that and I don't
[41:15] know what ever happened to it but
[41:17] nothing ever surfaced but getting
[41:19] >> I know along the highway there's only
[41:21] about two signs that says uh crosswalk
[41:24] ahead and There's only two of them. So,
[41:28] one's on eighth street
[41:29] >> and I'm not sure where the other one's
[41:31] at. But that was the only ones that are
[41:33] >> The other one's at Fifth Street.
[41:34] >> That's the But it doesn't matter.
[41:36] >> If he's crossing at six, that's not the
[41:38] that's not they so they would almost
[41:40] need one at every block where there's a
[41:42] cross.
[41:42] >> But even at Fifth Street, nobody I mean
[41:44] literally nobody will stop.
[41:47] >> Yeah. But that but the ones that are
[41:48] marked where they can get uh duty law
[41:52] enforcement on them. Um
[41:54] >> but also you know some of our uh the
[41:57] example on uh River Street the crosswalk
[42:01] if you're crossing across US 31 you have
[42:04] to be you know a track star because
[42:07] three steps into it and it's flashing
[42:09] you that it's your time is up and people
[42:13] are very um
[42:16] anxious to make their left and right
[42:18] turns. Those are the ones that make it
[42:20] most dangerous.
[42:23] Anyways, I just wanted to
[42:25] >> say my piece about people, you know,
[42:27] again, we're not going to have
[42:29] pedestrian friendly if if we can't
[42:31] figure out what we're going to do with
[42:33] crosswalks.
[42:34] >> Um M DOT is increasing, I believe, the
[42:37] number of crosswalks on 31 in their
[42:39] project, and they're expanding the
[42:41] sidewalk the whole way um down by MCC.
[42:44] That's going to be a whole new section
[42:47] over there. That intersection is going
[42:49] to look completely different as far as I
[42:50] know. And then Maple Street, that is
[42:54] what this safe routes to school grant is
[42:57] going to be focused on. Um Jerry and I
[43:02] literally a week and a half ago kind of
[43:04] got involved in the project. So, I don't
[43:07] have all of the facts, but from what it
[43:10] sounds like, when
[43:12] we started this and Spicer drew up the
[43:15] designs for the Maple Street project in
[43:17] the Milanfill, they had some increased
[43:21] sidewalks and um crosswalks, some
[43:24] bumpouts, some ADA
[43:26] um ramp, not ramps, but you know, some
[43:28] better quality sidewalks that are more
[43:30] ADA friendly. and it was way far out of
[43:34] the M dot budget for that project. And
[43:36] so with the safe routes to school grant,
[43:39] those are going to be the details that
[43:41] ideally will be implementing. Um,
[43:45] however, Spicer isn't doing those prelim
[43:49] plans because of how this grant works.
[43:51] It's going to be a different firm, so
[43:53] they don't have those done yet. Um, so I
[43:56] don't know exactly what is included in
[43:58] them. We just yesterday met with the
[44:01] safe routes to school coordinator for
[44:03] the region, but hopefully some of those
[44:06] um increased safety measures are going
[44:09] to be included. And then Jerry and I
[44:11] went to a conference down in Hart
[44:16] two weeks ago and Tracy Davis's daughter
[44:19] organized it and so she invited us and
[44:22] it was pretty community specific to Hart
[44:24] but we were able to attend and um Mark
[44:26] Fenton was there who is a walkability
[44:28] expert and he was he was really
[44:31] wonderful and had a lot of great ideas
[44:34] for slowing down traffic and things like
[44:37] that. And so hopefully if we don't see
[44:39] those in some of these prelim plans, we
[44:41] can work those in because, you know, you
[44:44] can only do so much about cars and the
[44:45] cops can only do so much when they're
[44:47] out patrolling. So things like that um
[44:50] hopefully will be included, but until we
[44:53] see the the plans, I don't really know.
[44:54] And I didn't see Spicer's plans for
[44:56] Maple Street either, so we will see.
[45:07] Nothing really much I can think of. I
[45:09] just remembered well we went to one of
[45:12] the meetings with MDOT at the uh
[45:14] college.
[45:15] Uh I made sure I talked for their
[45:17] engineer there and but Manassy's in one
[45:20] man county one district. Mason County is
[45:22] the next and neither district knew the
[45:25] other ones were doing projects next year
[45:28] up next to each other because US 31 and
[45:32] just south of county line is going to be
[45:34] redone also. They're in the process of
[45:36] working on the detour for town line
[45:39] quarter line to bring them up that way
[45:43] on that district. That's another MDOT
[45:45] district. So I made them aware of it at
[45:47] the time and I haven't heard anything
[45:49] back from them on it. So there's
[45:51] possibly two big projects going in
[45:54] >> that area goes 31 next year.
[45:57] >> What's their timeline?
[46:00] >> I didn't have I haven't talked to Keith
[46:02] down the Mason County one, but with the
[46:05] meeting we had at the Mass one, they're
[46:09] starting next next spring next April.
[46:12] >> They're starting on that side. They're
[46:13] starting
[46:14] >> on the same side that South side.
[46:16] >> Can I say one thing?
[46:17] >> Sure. I'd like to congratulate Bob and
[46:20] all the firefighters from Grant
[46:22] Township. They worked for days and hours
[46:25] and they had everything set up to their
[46:28] fundraiser to get equipment for the fire
[46:31] department. They did a wonderful job. I
[46:34] know you put a lot of hours into that.
[46:39] >> You say that every year.
[46:43] >> What? Well, when you when you're there
[46:46] five nights before the thing even starts
[46:49] and you spend all day, two days there.
[46:51] >> About a half chickens running around,
[46:52] Bob. So,
[46:54] >> you sell that.
[46:55] >> We made a thous we cooked for a
[46:57] thousand.
[47:00] » And you had how many people?
[47:02] >> Just over 800.
[47:03] >> Okay. Very good. Worthwhile.
[47:06] >> And we sold a lot of the chicken people
[47:08] after.
[47:09] >> Bob got to eat finally.
[47:10] >> Yeah. In the senior center, you had our
[47:13] leftover desserts.
[47:14] >> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
[47:17] >> Yeah, we did a lot lot of desserts left
[47:19] over and
[47:21] Marlene was at the senior center when I
[47:23] was food was coming from.
[47:24] >> Yeah. And he I left my carrier when I
[47:27] donated cupcakes and stuff and he had
[47:31] delivered it back to me. So,
[47:34] >> he's a good boy.
[47:35] >> Yeah,
[47:36] >> it's a good event. And then we got
[47:38] filers from uh Halloween stuff coming up
[47:41] soon.
[47:42] >> Oh
[47:44] >> yeah. No, not the No, get their
[47:46] Halloween.
[47:47] >> Filer. Okay.
[47:48] >> Yeah.
[47:50] >> Not the other one.
[47:51] >> No, we're not involved in that this
[47:52] year. First of all, they want to do it
[47:54] by themselves.
[47:55] >> Okay.
[47:56] Thank you, Robert.
[47:58] >> Uh online citizen planner classes. We
[48:00] talked about
[48:02] um certificates for everyone that
[48:06] um finishes their citizen planner. Um
[48:11] can we get anything from that? Talk to
[48:13] Mary Riley
[48:15] >> like every year when you finish the
[48:17] training.
[48:18] >> We used to get them used to get
[48:20] certificates when we
[48:21] >> I can ask. She didn't program.
[48:22] >> It wasn't Mary that I talked to to keep
[48:25] track of the trainings.
[48:26] >> All right.
[48:27] >> It was someone else. And when I sent the
[48:30] final update last year that everyone had
[48:32] completed
[48:33] um the required hours, I didn't get a
[48:36] response. So I can
[48:38] >> Okay.
[48:39] >> Try again this year because everyone's
[48:41] going to finish their hours.
[48:43] >> Exactly. Did you We talked a little bit
[48:46] about uh the newsletter.
[48:49] >> Yeah. I got I'll send something to Mary.
[48:51] >> Okay.
[48:52] >> If you have anything you want included,
[48:54] just send it my way.
[48:55] we're going to have about Roger in the
[48:57] citizen planner newsletter. So, coming
[49:00] up,
[49:02] um, this one I forget about fence
[49:06] permits. Did we ever get anywhere on
[49:09] fence permits? Why is I saw somebody
[49:12] putting a fence up the other day. We
[49:14] don't require them, but based on convers
[49:17] conversations with Jerry and my talking
[49:21] to people, I plan to amend that in next
[49:25] year's fee schedule. So, when the new
[49:27] fee schedule comes out, we'll probably
[49:28] do a comprehensive update of all of our
[49:31] fees because they're relatively cheap.
[49:34] Um, res residential land use is $25 or
[49:38] $75. So, to build a house, it's only a
[49:41] $75 permit, which is really quite cheap
[49:44] for the time it goes into review. Um,
[49:47] and then fence permits is on that list
[49:48] of reinstating those just due to the
[49:51] number of complaints and question. I
[49:53] still talk to people all the time when
[49:54] they put in a fence of what they have to
[49:56] do and send them the rules.
[49:57] >> That was 25 bucks back in the day.
[49:59] >> Yeah. I had to get one when we replaced
[50:01] our fence and because we added a section
[50:04] that wasn't fenced in and it was only
[50:06] $25.
[50:07] What what you lack though, public works
[50:09] makes up the difference with permit
[50:12] fees.
[50:12] >> Oh, there you go.
[50:15] >> Getting water hooked up and sewer hooked
[50:17] up.
[50:20] >> Uh the only other thing is like I said
[50:22] in the presentation on the 15th that uh
[50:25] Maddie and I will be presenting to city
[50:27] council and um city council will be
[50:31] presenting a plaque to Roger's family.
[50:34] So, if all could be there, it'd be
[50:36] great.
[50:38] And time now is 6:20. I would ask for an
[50:42] >> adjournment.
[50:48] 5:30.
[50:51] Devouring.